User:It's dot com/STUFF reform - Revision history

The Cheatbot: autoreplace: Bug in Mouth Disease → Bug In Mouth Disease

2007-05-18T21:42:04Z

autoreplace: Bug in Mouth Disease → Bug In Mouth Disease

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	===Elijah Wood===		===Elijah Wood===
	{{User:It's_dot_com/stufffact\|A search for "blue ones" at images.google.com displays a picture of Elijah Wood.}}		{{User:It's_dot_com/stufffact\|A search for "blue ones" at images.google.com displays a picture of Elijah Wood.}}
-	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffdata\|[[Bug in Mouth Disease]]\|17:09, 11 May 2005 (UTC)}}	+	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffdata\|[[Bug In Mouth Disease]]\|17:09, 11 May 2005 (UTC)}}

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	===Whom made a mistake?===		===Whom made a mistake?===
	{{User:It's_dot_com/stufffact\|When the Announcer says "whom", in an attempt to sound sophisticated, it is grammatically incorrect. As the pronoun that would go there is not "Him shot Caleb" but rather "He shot Caleb", the question should use "who".}}		{{User:It's_dot_com/stufffact\|When the Announcer says "whom", in an attempt to sound sophisticated, it is grammatically incorrect. As the pronoun that would go there is not "Him shot Caleb" but rather "He shot Caleb", the question should use "who".}}
-	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffdata\|[[Bug in Mouth Disease]]\|09:37, 11 May 2005 (UTC)}}	+	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffdata\|[[Bug In Mouth Disease]]\|09:37, 11 May 2005 (UTC)}}

	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffargsfor}}		{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffargsfor}}

It's dot com: this has gone live

2005-06-17T18:39:14Z

this has gone live

← Older revision		Revision as of 18:39, 17 June 2005
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	__NOTOC__		__NOTOC__
	==The situation==		==The situation==
-	[[STUFF]] is a mess. ~~Everybody knows it. Everybody knows it~~'~~s true~~.	+	Take a look a the [[HRWiki:Old STUFF\|old STUFF]]. It was a jumbled mess, and in real danger of being scrapped altogether. I created this page to propose a new format, and that design '''[[HRWiki:STUFF\|went live]]''' on June 17, 2005, a month to the day after I first wrote up my idea. Yay! What follows is the archive of my STUFF proposal:

	'''[[#Real-world examples\|Click here to see how I think it should look.]]'''		'''[[#Real-world examples\|Click here to see how I think it should look.]]'''

It's dot com: /* Source code */ templates, not divs

2005-06-11T19:18:35Z

Source code: templates, not divs

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	Here is the source code that will go on the STUFF page:		Here is the source code that will go on the STUFF page:
	<pre>		<pre>
-	~~<div class="stuffgray">~~ OR ~~<div class="stuffblue"> (these style definitions will need to be set up)~~	+	{{stuffbegingray}} OR {{stuffbeginblue}}
	===Item Title===		===Item Title===
	{{stufffact\|The STUFF'd fact}}		{{stufffact\|The STUFF'd fact}}

It's dot com: /* The new format */ new table format

2005-06-11T19:17:33Z

The new format: new table format

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	{stuffendvotes}} \|		{stuffendvotes}} \|

-	~~</div>~~	+	{{stuffend}}
	</pre>		</pre>
	The code above makes use of several [[User:It's_dot_com/subpages\|templates]].		The code above makes use of several [[User:It's_dot_com/subpages\|templates]].

	===The proposed format===		===The proposed format===
-	~~<div style="background~~:~~#EEEEFF; padding:12px; border-color:#AAAABB; border-style:solid; border-width:1px">~~	+	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffbeginblue}}
	===Item Title===		===Item Title===
	{{User:It's_dot_com/stufffact\|<!--the fact-->The STUFF'd fact}}		{{User:It's_dot_com/stufffact\|<!--the fact-->The STUFF'd fact}}
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	#[[User:Fourth user\|Fourth user]]		#[[User:Fourth user\|Fourth user]]
	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffendvotes}}		{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffendvotes}}
-	</~~div>~~	+
		+	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffend}}

	===Real-world examples===		===Real-world examples===
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	<div style="background:lightyellow; padding:8px; border-color:#CC9900; border-style:dashed; border-width:1px; color:brown">''The following examples are based on real fun-fact candidates, but they may be inaccurate, incomplete, or outdated as presented here. They are used for illustration purposes only.''</div><br>		<div style="background:lightyellow; padding:8px; border-color:#CC9900; border-style:dashed; border-width:1px; color:brown">''The following examples are based on real fun-fact candidates, but they may be inaccurate, incomplete, or outdated as presented here. They are used for illustration purposes only.''</div><br>

-	~~<div style="background~~:~~#EEEEEE; padding:12px; border-color:#AAAAAA; border-style:solid; border-width:1px">~~	+	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffbegingray}}
	=== Alternative vs. Hair Metal ===		=== Alternative vs. Hair Metal ===
	{{User:It's_dot_com/stufffact\|The dialog at the end of the cartoon about Limozeen (who are parody of 80's Hair Metal Bands) being kicked off the charts by an Alternative band that has a girl as a bassist, etc. is most likely a reference to the fact that by the early 1990's people were tired of the excesses of Hair Metal bands and the popularity of that genre was already on the wane. Alternative Rock bands like Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins and Weezer (SP had 2 female bassists, Weezer's lead singer wears glasses) which were generally considered by many music critics to be smarter, hipper and closer to the roots of what rock is all about, put the nail in the coffin of the L.A. Glam Metal scene.}}		{{User:It's_dot_com/stufffact\|The dialog at the end of the cartoon about Limozeen (who are parody of 80's Hair Metal Bands) being kicked off the charts by an Alternative band that has a girl as a bassist, etc. is most likely a reference to the fact that by the early 1990's people were tired of the excesses of Hair Metal bands and the popularity of that genre was already on the wane. Alternative Rock bands like Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins and Weezer (SP had 2 female bassists, Weezer's lead singer wears glasses) which were generally considered by many music critics to be smarter, hipper and closer to the roots of what rock is all about, put the nail in the coffin of the L.A. Glam Metal scene.}}
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	#[[user:Lappy_486\|Lappy 486]]		#[[user:Lappy_486\|Lappy 486]]
	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffendvotes}}		{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffendvotes}}
-	</~~div>~~	+
-	~~<div style="background~~:~~#EEEEFF; padding:12px; border-color:#AAAABB; border-style:solid; border-width:1px">~~	+	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffend}}
		+
		+	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffbeginblue}}
	===To "T" or not to "T"?===		===To "T" or not to "T"?===
	{{User:It's_dot_com/stufffact\|At the beginning of the email, Strong Bad types The Cheat's name with a lowercase T. Usually the T is uppercase as it is considered part of his name.}}		{{User:It's_dot_com/stufffact\|At the beginning of the email, Strong Bad types The Cheat's name with a lowercase T. Usually the T is uppercase as it is considered part of his name.}}
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	#[[User:Fetus\|Fetus!]]		#[[User:Fetus\|Fetus!]]
	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffendvotes}}		{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffendvotes}}
-	</~~div>~~	+
-	~~<div style="background~~:~~#EEEEEE; padding:12px; border-color:#AAAAAA; border-style:solid; border-width:1px">~~	+	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffend}}
		+
		+	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffbegingray}}
	===Strong Bad referencing Lucky?===		===Strong Bad referencing Lucky?===
	{{User:It's_dot_com/stufffact\|In the Schenectady Crispies egg, Strong bad says "I hope I don't get caught!" This could be a reference to Lucky Charms, in which Lucky, the cereal making leprechaun, is constantly avoiding getting caught by the kids who want his cereal.}}		{{User:It's_dot_com/stufffact\|In the Schenectady Crispies egg, Strong bad says "I hope I don't get caught!" This could be a reference to Lucky Charms, in which Lucky, the cereal making leprechaun, is constantly avoiding getting caught by the kids who want his cereal.}}
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	#[[User:tomstiff\|tomstiff]]		#[[User:tomstiff\|tomstiff]]
	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffendvotes}}		{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffendvotes}}
-	</~~div>~~	+
-	~~<div style="background~~:~~#EEEEFF; padding:12px; border-color:#AAAABB; border-style:solid; border-width:1px">~~	+	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffend}}
		+
		+	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffbeginblue}}
	===Elijah Wood===		===Elijah Wood===
	{{User:It's_dot_com/stufffact\|A search for "blue ones" at images.google.com displays a picture of Elijah Wood.}}		{{User:It's_dot_com/stufffact\|A search for "blue ones" at images.google.com displays a picture of Elijah Wood.}}
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	#[[User:GregHosting\|GregHosting]]		#[[User:GregHosting\|GregHosting]]
	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffendvotes}}		{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffendvotes}}
-	</~~div>~~	+
-	~~<div style="background~~:~~#EEEEEE; padding:12px; border-color:#AAAAAA; border-style:solid; border-width:1px">~~	+	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffend}}
		+
		+	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffbegingray}}
	===Whom made a mistake?===		===Whom made a mistake?===
	{{User:It's_dot_com/stufffact\|When the Announcer says "whom", in an attempt to sound sophisticated, it is grammatically incorrect. As the pronoun that would go there is not "Him shot Caleb" but rather "He shot Caleb", the question should use "who".}}		{{User:It's_dot_com/stufffact\|When the Announcer says "whom", in an attempt to sound sophisticated, it is grammatically incorrect. As the pronoun that would go there is not "Him shot Caleb" but rather "He shot Caleb", the question should use "who".}}
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	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffdecline}}		{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffdecline}}
	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffendvotes}}		{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffendvotes}}
-	</~~div>~~	+
		+	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffend}}

It's dot com: tweak

2005-05-18T21:03:12Z

tweak

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	I've given a lot of thought to how STUFF can be improved. I identified what I thought the biggest problems were and created a new format to correct them. Then I tested the format by applying it to some facts currently open.		I've given a lot of thought to how STUFF can be improved. I identified what I thought the biggest problems were and created a new format to correct them. Then I tested the format by applying it to some facts currently open.

-	Click on these links to skip down to the '''[[#Source_code\|source code]]''' for a sample fact, followed by the '''[[#~~The_new_format~~\|new format]]'''. At the bottom are some '''[[#Real-world examples\|real-world examples]]'''.	+	Click on these links to skip down to the '''[[#Source_code\|source code]]''' for a sample fact, followed by the '''[[#The_proposed_format\|new format]]'''. At the bottom are some '''[[#Real-world examples\|real-world examples]]'''.

	===Problems I identified===		===Problems I identified===
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	The code above makes use of several [[User:It's_dot_com/subpages\|templates]].		The code above makes use of several [[User:It's_dot_com/subpages\|templates]].

-	===The ~~new~~ format===	+	===The proposed format===
	<div style="background:#EEEEFF; padding:12px; border-color:#AAAABB; border-style:solid; border-width:1px">		<div style="background:#EEEEFF; padding:12px; border-color:#AAAABB; border-style:solid; border-width:1px">
	===Item Title===		===Item Title===
	{{User:It's_dot_com/stufffact\|<!--the fact-->The STUFF'd fact}}		{{User:It's_dot_com/stufffact\|<!--the fact-->The STUFF'd fact}}
-	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffdata\|[[page title]]\|20:44, 18 May 2005 (UTC)}}	+	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffdata\|[[page title]]\|21:03, 18 May 2005 (UTC)}}

	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffargsfor}}		{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffargsfor}}
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	{{User:It's_dot_com/stufffact\|The dialog at the end of the cartoon about Limozeen (who are parody of 80's Hair Metal Bands) being kicked off the charts by an Alternative band that has a girl as a bassist, etc. is most likely a reference to the fact that by the early 1990's people were tired of the excesses of Hair Metal bands and the popularity of that genre was already on the wane. Alternative Rock bands like Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins and Weezer (SP had 2 female bassists, Weezer's lead singer wears glasses) which were generally considered by many music critics to be smarter, hipper and closer to the roots of what rock is all about, put the nail in the coffin of the L.A. Glam Metal scene.}}		{{User:It's_dot_com/stufffact\|The dialog at the end of the cartoon about Limozeen (who are parody of 80's Hair Metal Bands) being kicked off the charts by an Alternative band that has a girl as a bassist, etc. is most likely a reference to the fact that by the early 1990's people were tired of the excesses of Hair Metal bands and the popularity of that genre was already on the wane. Alternative Rock bands like Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins and Weezer (SP had 2 female bassists, Weezer's lead singer wears glasses) which were generally considered by many music critics to be smarter, hipper and closer to the roots of what rock is all about, put the nail in the coffin of the L.A. Glam Metal scene.}}

-	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffdata\|[[best thing]]\|20:44, 18 May 2005 (UTC)}}	+	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffdata\|[[best thing]]\|21:03, 18 May 2005 (UTC)}}

	{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffargsagainst}}		{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffargsagainst}}

It's dot com: Version 2

2005-05-18T20:44:34Z

Version 2

Show changes

It's dot com: /* Known issues */

2005-05-18T15:07:46Z

Known issues

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	Comments are welcome on the [[User_talk:It's_dot_com/STUFF_reform\|talk page]]. I have already recognized several items:		Comments are welcome on the [[User_talk:It's_dot_com/STUFF_reform\|talk page]]. I have already recognized several items:
	*The overall format is [[User_talk:It's_dot_com/STUFF_reform#This_format_is_complicated\|complicated]].		*The overall format is [[User_talk:It's_dot_com/STUFF_reform#This_format_is_complicated\|complicated]].
-	*Specialized [[User_talk:It's_dot_com/STUFF_reform#Specialized_signatures_do_not_work\|signatures]] do not work.	+	*Specialized [[User_talk:It's_dot_com/STUFF_reform#Specialized_signatures_do_not_work\|signatures]] do not work. (Possible solution in the works.)
-	*There is no provision for a [[User_talk:It's_dot_com/STUFF_reform#Votes_to_Revise\|Revise]] vote.	+	*There is no provision for a [[User_talk:It's_dot_com/STUFF_reform#Votes_to_Revise\|Revise]] vote. (Possible solution in the works.)
	*[[User_talk:It's_dot_com/STUFF_reform#Delteated\|Clever votes]] will be a thing of the past.		*[[User_talk:It's_dot_com/STUFF_reform#Delteated\|Clever votes]] will be a thing of the past.

It's dot com: proposed STUFF reform

2005-05-18T04:51:27Z

proposed STUFF reform

New page

__NOTOC__
==The situation==
[[STUFF]] is a mess. Everybody knows it. Everybody knows it's true.

'''[[#Real-world examples|Click here to see how I think it should look.]]'''

Some people think STUFF should be eliminated in favor of talk pages, but I think a central location for fun fact decisions serves a valuable purpose: First, it's convenient to keep track of several facts at once, and because of that there is more consistency between facts on different pages.

I've given a lot of thought to how STUFF can be improved. I identified what I thought the biggest problems were and created a new format to correct them. Then I tested the format by applying it to some facts currently open.

Click on these links to skip down to the '''[[#Source_code|source code]]''' for a sample fact, followed by the '''[[#Proposed_new_format|new format]]'''. At the bottom are some '''[[#Real-world examples|real-world examples]]'''.

===Problems I identified===
*It's difficult to easily see where one discussion ends and the next begins.
*It's sometimes difficult to tell which votes have just started and which are about to close.
*The lack of structure has allowed the page to degrade to little more than a forum where discussion is haphazard and redundant, and denigrating personal attacks are rife and rampant.
*It's hard to tabulate the votes.

===Proposed solutions===
*Each fact will be isolated in its own section. Each section will alternate colors from one to the next, and the fact itself will be highlighted within the section.
*Each fun-fact canditate will be placed chronologically at the top of the page, without regard to the page from which it came. The page title and the time and date the fact was posted will be featured prominently.
*All the arguments for and against a fact, as well as comments, will be grouped together. Users who have ''nothing useful to add'' to the discussion will be encouraged to merely vote and move on.
*The votes will be user names only. They will be grouped at the bottom and numbered.

===Known issues===
Comments are welcome on the [[User_talk:It's_dot_com/STUFF_reform|talk page]]. I have already recognized several items:
*The overall format is [[User_talk:It's_dot_com/STUFF_reform#This_format_is_complicated|complicated]].
*Specialized [[User_talk:It's_dot_com/STUFF_reform#Specialized_signatures_do_not_work|signatures]] do not work.
*There is no provision for a [[User_talk:It's_dot_com/STUFF_reform#Votes_to_Revise|Revise]] vote.
*[[User_talk:It's_dot_com/STUFF_reform#Delteated|Clever votes]] will be a thing of the past.

==The new format==
===Source code===
Here is the source code that will go on the STUFF page:
<pre>
<div class="stuffgray"> OR <div class="stuffblue"> (these style definitions will need to be set up)
===Item Title===
{{stuffitem|The STUFF'd fact
|
[[page title]]
|~~~~~
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*First argument for.
*Second argument.

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*First argument against.
*Second argument.

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*First comment.
*Second comment.

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#[[User:First user|First user]]
#[[User:Second user|Second user]]
|
#[[User:Third user|Third user]]
#[[User:Fourth user|Fourth user]]
}}
</div>
</pre>
And here is the code for [[User:It's_dot_com/stuffitem|template]] that it uses:
<pre>
<div class="stuffitem">{{{1}}}</div><br> (this style definition will need to be set up)
'''From:''' {{{2}}}<br>
'''Posted on:''' {{{3}}}

'''Arguments for:'''
{{{4}}}
'''Arguments against:'''
{{{5}}}
'''Additional comments:'''
{{{6}}}
{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#DDDDDD
! '''Votes to accept:''' !! '''Votes to decline:'''
|-
|
{{{7}}}
||
{{{8}}}
|}
</pre>

===Proposed new format===
<div style="background:#EEEEEE; padding:12px; border-color:#AAAAAA; border-style:solid; border-width:1px">
===Item Title===
{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffitem|The STUFF'd fact
|
[[page title]]
|04:51, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
|
*First argument for.
*Second argument.

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*First argument against.
*Second argument.

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*First comment.
*Second comment.

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#[[User:First user|First user]]
#[[User:Second user|Second user]]
|
#[[User:Third user|Third user]]
#[[User:Fourth user|Fourth user]]
}}
</div>

===Real-world examples===
<small>[[#The_situation|back to top]]</small>
<div style="background:lightyellow; padding:8px; border-color:#CC9900; border-style:dashed; border-width:1px; color:brown">''The following examples are based on real fun-fact candidates, but they may be inaccurate, incomplete, or outdated as presented here. They are used for illustration purposes only.''</div><br>

<div style="background:#EEEEFF; padding:12px; border-color:#AAAABB; border-style:solid; border-width:1px">
===To "T" or not to "T"?===
{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffitem|At the beginning of the email, Strong Bad types The Cheat's name with a lowercase T. Usually the T is uppercase as it is considered part of his name.
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[[cheat talk]]
|02:35, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
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*It's true and we note it in other very rare cases when it happens.
*A mistake on SB's part; definetly a goof.
*It ''is'' part of The Cheat's name, and to not capitalize it would be like not capitalizing any of our names.

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*TBC make mistakes sometimes, we don't need to go after every piddling little detail.
*Save goofs for when it really matters, like in Radio where part of Strong Sad's shirt dissapears.
*The author of the email referred to The Cheat as "the Cheat" twice. Strong Bad is making fun of the author.
*I don't find the fact that Strong Bad forgot to hit a shift key once in one e-mail particularly "fun".

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#Jay
#[[User:Lappy 486|Lappy 486]]
#[[user:Nighthawk|Nighthawk]]
#[[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
#[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|upset_your_balance]]
#Joshua
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#[[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]]
#[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
#[[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]]
#[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]]
#[[User:Fetus|Fetus!]]
}}
</div>
<div style="background:#EEEEEE; padding:12px; border-color:#AAAAAA; border-style:solid; border-width:1px">
===Strong Bad referencing Lucky?===
{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffitem|In the Schenectady Crispies egg, Strong bad says "I hope I don't get caught!" This could be a reference to Lucky Charms, in which Lucky, the cereal making leprechaun, is constantly avoiding getting caught by the kids who want his cereal.
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[[labor day]]
|17:43, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
|

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*AH! COULD BE!
*The Trix rabbit doesn't want to be caught by the kids; Barney doesn't want to be caught by Fred Flintstone while he's stealing Fred's Fruity Pebbles. So there's at least two ''other'' things he could be referencing, if it even is a reference, which I'm not so sure it is.

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*Why ''does'' Strong Bad say this if its not a reference?

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#[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]]
#[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]]
#[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]]
#[[User:the spludge|the spludge]]
#[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]]
#[[User:Tehngion|Tehngion]]
#[[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]]
#[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
#[[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]]
#[[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]
#Joshua|Joshua
#[[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
#[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]]
}}
</div>
<div style="background:#EEEEFF; padding:12px; border-color:#AAAABB; border-style:solid; border-width:1px">
===Elijah Wood===
{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffitem|A search for "blue ones" at images.google.com displays a picture of Elijah Wood.
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[[Bug in Mouth Disease]]
|17:09, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
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*Many people like "strange but true" facts.
*You wouldn't expect to find the picture using that particular search.
*It's almost the very first result.
*Elijah Wood is well known.
*The picture is kinda creepy, qualifying as "nothing pleasant".

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*Not particularly relevant to H*R.
*Intriguing as it may be, this simply isn't the place for it.
*"It's kinda weird" is not enough reason to include it.

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#[[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
#[[User:TakuaKaita600|TK600]]
#[[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]]
#[[User:Dingell|Dingell]]
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#Jay
#[[User:Tehngion|Tehngion]]
#[[User: Lappy 486]][[User:Lappy 486|Lappy 486]]
#[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]]
#[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
#[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]]
#[[User:Lucres|Lucres]]
#[[User:GregHosting|GregHosting]]
}}
</div>
<div style="background:#EEEEEE; padding:12px; border-color:#AAAAAA; border-style:solid; border-width:1px">
===Whom made a mistake?===
{{User:It's_dot_com/stuffitem|When the Announcer says "whom", in an attempt to sound sophisticated, it is grammatically incorrect. As the pronoun that would go there is not "Him shot Caleb" but rather "He shot Caleb", the question should use "who".
|
[[Bug in Mouth Disease]]
|09:37, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
|
*This is true and worthy of note.
*The grammatical use of "whom" isn't exactly widely known, and while most will realize that it's wrong, they may not get WHY its wrong.
*Not every joke requires an explanation, but this is worth a mention.
*Strong Bad is famous for his anal-retentive attitudes on grammar yet he does not react to this common mistake.

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*TBC were probably under the impression that we should already know this, as that's the joke; it's pretty obvious.

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#[[User:phlip|phlip]]
#[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]]
#[[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
#[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
#[[User:TakuaKaita600|TK600]]
#[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]]
#[[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]]
#[[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]]
#[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
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