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Guybrush20X6: /* The Of Town */

Guybrush20X6 — Tue, 14 Mar 2023 18:01:16 GMT

*The* Of Town

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	:Yeah, totally. I think that makes sense. I thought it myself playing/watching someone play the game. ----[[User:Jeffjman\|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman\|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman\|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png\|23px]] 11:21, 13 March 2023 (UTC)		:Yeah, totally. I think that makes sense. I thought it myself playing/watching someone play the game. ----[[User:Jeffjman\|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman\|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman\|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png\|23px]] 11:21, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
	:Unless I'm mistaken, he's only "the King of Town" when referred to in third person. He's addressed directly as "King of Town". That seems pretty standard usage. {{--}}[[Special:Contributions/121.75.27.136\|121.75.27.136]] 08:38, 14 March 2023 (UTC)		:Unless I'm mistaken, he's only "the King of Town" when referred to in third person. He's addressed directly as "King of Town". That seems pretty standard usage. {{--}}[[Special:Contributions/121.75.27.136\|121.75.27.136]] 08:38, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	::I could swear there's at least a couple of instances where the "The" is used incorrectly but I'll need to look for them. Could be a false memory. [[User:Guybrush20X6\|Guybrush20X6]] 18:01, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

121.75.27.136: /* The Of Town */

121.75.27.136 — Tue, 14 Mar 2023 08:38:56 GMT

*The* Of Town

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	The King of Town has varied on whether the ''the'' is included in his name or not. For example, in [[Strong Badia the Free]] Strong Bad refers to him as "The of Town" explicitly including the ''The''. Should the KOT have his own section on how he's occasionally been referred to with the Integral Article or just leave it as a note somewhere? [[User:Guybrush20X6\|Guybrush20X6]]		The King of Town has varied on whether the ''the'' is included in his name or not. For example, in [[Strong Badia the Free]] Strong Bad refers to him as "The of Town" explicitly including the ''The''. Should the KOT have his own section on how he's occasionally been referred to with the Integral Article or just leave it as a note somewhere? [[User:Guybrush20X6\|Guybrush20X6]]
	:Yeah, totally. I think that makes sense. I thought it myself playing/watching someone play the game. ----[[User:Jeffjman\|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman\|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman\|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png\|23px]] 11:21, 13 March 2023 (UTC)		:Yeah, totally. I think that makes sense. I thought it myself playing/watching someone play the game. ----[[User:Jeffjman\|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman\|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman\|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png\|23px]] 11:21, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	:Unless I'm mistaken, he's only "the King of Town" when referred to in third person. He's addressed directly as "King of Town". That seems pretty standard usage. {{--}}[[Special:Contributions/121.75.27.136\|121.75.27.136]] 08:38, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Jeffjman: /* The Of Town */ bruh moemnt

Jeffjman — Mon, 13 Mar 2023 11:21:16 GMT

*The* Of Town: bruh moemnt

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	The King of Town has varied on whether the ''the'' is included in his name or not. For example, in [[Strong Badia the Free]] Strong Bad refers to him as "The of Town" explicitly including the ''The''. Should the KOT have his own section on how he's occasionally been referred to with the Integral Article or just leave it as a note somewhere? [[User:Guybrush20X6\|Guybrush20X6]]		The King of Town has varied on whether the ''the'' is included in his name or not. For example, in [[Strong Badia the Free]] Strong Bad refers to him as "The of Town" explicitly including the ''The''. Should the KOT have his own section on how he's occasionally been referred to with the Integral Article or just leave it as a note somewhere? [[User:Guybrush20X6\|Guybrush20X6]]
		+	:Yeah, totally. I think that makes sense. I thought it myself playing/watching someone play the game. ----[[User:Jeffjman\|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman\|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman\|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png\|23px]] 11:21, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

Guybrush20X6: /**/The Of Town

Guybrush20X6 — Sun, 12 Mar 2023 23:44:06 GMT

: *The* Of Town

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	Many of these examples have never been used in an integral way (The Deke, The Denzel, The Liekand, etc.). The descriptions often state that the usage "implies" the article is integral, even though this is speculation. The Denzel ''could'' have an integral article, but since it's only been shown in grammatical construction, there's no proof one way or the other. Should these ambiguous examples be kept, deleted, or moved to a different section? Or am I misunderstanding something? {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 21:57, 3 August 2019 (UTC)		Many of these examples have never been used in an integral way (The Deke, The Denzel, The Liekand, etc.). The descriptions often state that the usage "implies" the article is integral, even though this is speculation. The Denzel ''could'' have an integral article, but since it's only been shown in grammatical construction, there's no proof one way or the other. Should these ambiguous examples be kept, deleted, or moved to a different section? Or am I misunderstanding something? {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 21:57, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
	:They’re here because a normal proper name would be just (e.g.) Deke or Denzel not The Deke or The Denzel. -[[Special:Contributions/166.137.252.112\|166.137.252.112]] 03:24, 4 August 2019 (UTC)		:They’re here because a normal proper name would be just (e.g.) Deke or Denzel not The Deke or The Denzel. -[[Special:Contributions/166.137.252.112\|166.137.252.112]] 03:24, 4 August 2019 (UTC)
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		+	== The Of Town ==
		+
		+	The King of Town has varied on whether the ''the'' is included in his name or not. For example, in [[Strong Badia the Free]] Strong Bad refers to him as "The of Town" explicitly including the ''The''. Should the KOT have his own section on how he's occasionally been referred to with the Integral Article or just leave it as a note somewhere? [[User:Guybrush20X6\|Guybrush20X6]]

166.137.252.112: /* Speculation */

166.137.252.112 — Sun, 04 Aug 2019 03:24:16 GMT

Speculation

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	Many of these examples have never been used in an integral way (The Deke, The Denzel, The Liekand, etc.). The descriptions often state that the usage "implies" the article is integral, even though this is speculation. The Denzel ''could'' have an integral article, but since it's only been shown in grammatical construction, there's no proof one way or the other. Should these ambiguous examples be kept, deleted, or moved to a different section? Or am I misunderstanding something? {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 21:57, 3 August 2019 (UTC)		Many of these examples have never been used in an integral way (The Deke, The Denzel, The Liekand, etc.). The descriptions often state that the usage "implies" the article is integral, even though this is speculation. The Denzel ''could'' have an integral article, but since it's only been shown in grammatical construction, there's no proof one way or the other. Should these ambiguous examples be kept, deleted, or moved to a different section? Or am I misunderstanding something? {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 21:57, 3 August 2019 (UTC)
		+	:They’re here because a normal proper name would be just (e.g.) Deke or Denzel not The Deke or The Denzel. -[[Special:Contributions/166.137.252.112\|166.137.252.112]] 03:24, 4 August 2019 (UTC)

Gfdgsgxgzgdrc: /**/Speculation

Gfdgsgxgzgdrc — Sat, 03 Aug 2019 21:57:04 GMT

: Speculation

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	::We could. I thought that might make the box a little big, but I guess that doesn't necessarily matter. And a section would allow us to have Strong Bad's blockquote at the top (which is also not a big deal). It's also one of the only examples we list exceptions for, which might single it out a bit. {{User:SRMX12/sig}} 20:09, 25 January 2018 (UTC)		::We could. I thought that might make the box a little big, but I guess that doesn't necessarily matter. And a section would allow us to have Strong Bad's blockquote at the top (which is also not a big deal). It's also one of the only examples we list exceptions for, which might single it out a bit. {{User:SRMX12/sig}} 20:09, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
	:::I support a bulleted list, but I'm not sure whether it should be in the box or not. I guess having it in the box would be better, because it would be kind of weird to have a The Cheat box, then another section about The Cheat somewhere else. And if we put it in the box, we could still include the blockquote. Maybe there could be a <nowiki>===Exceptions===</nowiki> header or something. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 20:15, 25 January 2018 (UTC)		:::I support a bulleted list, but I'm not sure whether it should be in the box or not. I guess having it in the box would be better, because it would be kind of weird to have a The Cheat box, then another section about The Cheat somewhere else. And if we put it in the box, we could still include the blockquote. Maybe there could be a <nowiki>===Exceptions===</nowiki> header or something. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 20:15, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
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		+	== Speculation ==
		+
		+	Many of these examples have never been used in an integral way (The Deke, The Denzel, The Liekand, etc.). The descriptions often state that the usage "implies" the article is integral, even though this is speculation. The Denzel ''could'' have an integral article, but since it's only been shown in grammatical construction, there's no proof one way or the other. Should these ambiguous examples be kept, deleted, or moved to a different section? Or am I misunderstanding something? {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 21:57, 3 August 2019 (UTC)

Gfdgsgxgzgdrc: /* Separate The Cheat section */ thoughts

Gfdgsgxgzgdrc — Thu, 25 Jan 2018 20:15:48 GMT

Separate The Cheat section: thoughts

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	:Why not just have the bulleted list in the entry box? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:32, 25 January 2018 (UTC)		:Why not just have the bulleted list in the entry box? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:32, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
	::We could. I thought that might make the box a little big, but I guess that doesn't necessarily matter. And a section would allow us to have Strong Bad's blockquote at the top (which is also not a big deal). It's also one of the only examples we list exceptions for, which might single it out a bit. {{User:SRMX12/sig}} 20:09, 25 January 2018 (UTC)		::We could. I thought that might make the box a little big, but I guess that doesn't necessarily matter. And a section would allow us to have Strong Bad's blockquote at the top (which is also not a big deal). It's also one of the only examples we list exceptions for, which might single it out a bit. {{User:SRMX12/sig}} 20:09, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
		+	:::I support a bulleted list, but I'm not sure whether it should be in the box or not. I guess having it in the box would be better, because it would be kind of weird to have a The Cheat box, then another section about The Cheat somewhere else. And if we put it in the box, we could still include the blockquote. Maybe there could be a <nowiki>===Exceptions===</nowiki> header or something. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 20:15, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Lira: /* Separate The Cheat section */ A few weak reasons why not (although that'd probably be an okay idea)

Lira — Thu, 25 Jan 2018 20:09:17 GMT

Separate The Cheat section: A few weak reasons why not (although that'd probably be an okay idea)

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	Maybe a subtler solution would do if a separate section is overkill. Thoughts? {{User:SRMX12/sig}} 17:27, 25 January 2018 (UTC)		Maybe a subtler solution would do if a separate section is overkill. Thoughts? {{User:SRMX12/sig}} 17:27, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
	:Why not just have the bulleted list in the entry box? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:32, 25 January 2018 (UTC)		:Why not just have the bulleted list in the entry box? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:32, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
		+	::We could. I thought that might make the box a little big, but I guess that doesn't necessarily matter. And a section would allow us to have Strong Bad's blockquote at the top (which is also not a big deal). It's also one of the only examples we list exceptions for, which might single it out a bit. {{User:SRMX12/sig}} 20:09, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Defender1031: /* Separate The Cheat section */ why move it elsewhere?

Defender1031 — Thu, 25 Jan 2018 17:32:31 GMT

Separate The Cheat section: why move it elsewhere?

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	Maybe a subtler solution would do if a separate section is overkill. Thoughts? {{User:SRMX12/sig}} 17:27, 25 January 2018 (UTC)		Maybe a subtler solution would do if a separate section is overkill. Thoughts? {{User:SRMX12/sig}} 17:27, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
		+	:Why not just have the bulleted list in the entry box? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:32, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

Lira: /**/Separate The Cheat section

Lira — Thu, 25 Jan 2018 17:27:47 GMT

: Separate The Cheat section

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	:: Why is everything red? Did I forget to close brackets on my sig or something? {{User:Broncotroll/sig}} 04:48, 15 August 2015 (UTC)		:: Why is everything red? Did I forget to close brackets on my sig or something? {{User:Broncotroll/sig}} 04:48, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
	::: I fixed it for you. - {{User:Catjaz63/sig}} 04:53, 15 August 2015 (UTC)		::: I fixed it for you. - {{User:Catjaz63/sig}} 04:53, 15 August 2015 (UTC)
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		+	== Separate The Cheat section ==
		+
		+	I suggest that maybe, instead of the sort of unwieldy list in the right column of times The Cheat's name has been said without the article, we have a <code>==The Cheat's Name Said Without the Article==</code> section at the end of the page. Something like:
		+	<blockquote>
		+	<blockquote>''Sometimes, only onetimes, the 'the' is silent.''
		+	:— Strong Bad, [[@StrongBadActual]]<sup>[[twitter:StrongBadActual/status/955909108040953856\|[1]]]</sup></blockquote>
		+	*There is never an integral "the" in the [[Cheat Commandos]].
		+	*The integral article appears to be overlooked in the title of the email [[cheat talk]] and every instance of the phrase [[cheatday]] (excluding "Happy The Cheatday, Ilko!").
		+	*In [[replacement]], Strong Bad says he'll be "kickin' Cheats 'til the day [he dies]." A similar phrase appears on his epitaph at the end of the email.
		+	*In [[secret recipes]], Homestar calls Strong Bad and The Cheat "Cheat and The Strong Bad", although this is clearly Homestar being clueless as normal.
		+	*In [[Most in the Graveyard]], Strong Bad simply refers to him as "Cheat" while asking if he has rabies again.
		+	*The [[Sketchbook 2005#SK-2005-07-21\|July 21st, 2005 sketchbook]] depicts a "whiteboard wet cheat".
		+	*Strong Bad posted an animated GIF on @StrongBadActual of a "CCS", or "Cascading Cheat Sheet" (in reference to [[wikipedia:Cascading Style Sheets\|Cascading Style Sheets]]). He responded with the quote above when a fan called him out for his use of "Cheat".
		+	</blockquote>
		+	And we would leave the "Comments" box in the table with:
		+	<blockquote>
		+	Only rarely has The Cheat been named without the article. This practice even extends to his language ("Learn to speak... The Cheat" in [[cheat talk]]) and species ("My very own The Cheat!" in [[flashback]]). See exceptions below.<br /><br />
		+	When [[Marzipan]] returns from a date with The Cheat in [[Date Nite]], [[Homestar Runner]] angrily asks her if her name has become "The Marzipan".
		+	</blockquote>
		+	Maybe a subtler solution would do if a separate section is overkill. Thoughts? {{User:SRMX12/sig}} 17:27, 25 January 2018 (UTC)

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	:Yeah, totally. I think that makes sense. I thought it myself playing/watching someone play the game. ----[[User:Jeffjman\|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman\|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman\|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png\|23px]] 11:21, 13 March 2023 (UTC)		:Yeah, totally. I think that makes sense. I thought it myself playing/watching someone play the game. ----[[User:Jeffjman\|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman\|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman\|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png\|23px]] 11:21, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
	:Unless I'm mistaken, he's only "the King of Town" when referred to in third person. He's addressed directly as "King of Town". That seems pretty standard usage. {{--}}[[Special:Contributions/121.75.27.136\|121.75.27.136]] 08:38, 14 March 2023 (UTC)		:Unless I'm mistaken, he's only "the King of Town" when referred to in third person. He's addressed directly as "King of Town". That seems pretty standard usage. {{--}}[[Special:Contributions/121.75.27.136\|121.75.27.136]] 08:38, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	::I could swear there's at least a couple of instances where the "The" is used incorrectly but I'll need to look for them. Could be a false memory. [[User:Guybrush20X6\|Guybrush20X6]] 18:01, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

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	The King of Town has varied on whether the ''the'' is included in his name or not. For example, in [[Strong Badia the Free]] Strong Bad refers to him as "The of Town" explicitly including the ''The''. Should the KOT have his own section on how he's occasionally been referred to with the Integral Article or just leave it as a note somewhere? [[User:Guybrush20X6\|Guybrush20X6]]		The King of Town has varied on whether the ''the'' is included in his name or not. For example, in [[Strong Badia the Free]] Strong Bad refers to him as "The of Town" explicitly including the ''The''. Should the KOT have his own section on how he's occasionally been referred to with the Integral Article or just leave it as a note somewhere? [[User:Guybrush20X6\|Guybrush20X6]]
	:Yeah, totally. I think that makes sense. I thought it myself playing/watching someone play the game. ----[[User:Jeffjman\|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman\|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman\|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png\|23px]] 11:21, 13 March 2023 (UTC)		:Yeah, totally. I think that makes sense. I thought it myself playing/watching someone play the game. ----[[User:Jeffjman\|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman\|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman\|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png\|23px]] 11:21, 13 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	:Unless I'm mistaken, he's only "the King of Town" when referred to in third person. He's addressed directly as "King of Town". That seems pretty standard usage. {{--}}[[Special:Contributions/121.75.27.136\|121.75.27.136]] 08:38, 14 March 2023 (UTC)