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Bleu Ninja: /* Contributor-ing */ current year

Bleu Ninja — Wed, 10 Jun 2026 02:43:23 GMT

Contributor-ing: current year

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	== Contributor-ing ==		== Contributor-ing ==
-	A great deal of my earlier contributions to the wiki were [[HRWiki:WikiGnome\|gnome work]], and to this day I ~~stil~~ like to hit "Random page" until I find something that has gone uncorrected since the Bush administration. But I have moved on to more advanced edits as well {{--}}	+	A great deal of my earlier contributions to the wiki were [[HRWiki:WikiGnome\|gnome work]], and to this day I still like to hit "Random page" until I find something that has gone uncorrected since the Bush administration. But I have moved on to more advanced edits as well {{--}}
	*Improve article ledes		*Improve article ledes
	**A lot of articles consist of a giant lede followed by the "appearances" list. These thick 'n' nasty ledes are often just a single rambling paragraph, a blow-by-blow of appearance recaps, caused by editors just appending a sentence when a new incidence occurs. I like to break those up into paragraphs and add headers so articles can describe the subject more clearly.		**A lot of articles consist of a giant lede followed by the "appearances" list. These thick 'n' nasty ledes are often just a single rambling paragraph, a blow-by-blow of appearance recaps, caused by editors just appending a sentence when a new incidence occurs. I like to break those up into paragraphs and add headers so articles can describe the subject more clearly.
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	**As fun as it is to play "[[Sbemail 200 Fakeout\|Name That Inconsistency]]", don't lose sight of HR being an extremely loose-canon collection of one-off cartoons. Overly rationalizing inconsistencies can lead to a bunch of awkward "however, it could just be..." sentences appended to statements - sometimes even ''right'' after another sentence starting with "however"! It's better to rewrite to say something like "There is inconsistency in [x]: in [y], [1]; in [z], [2]".		**As fun as it is to play "[[Sbemail 200 Fakeout\|Name That Inconsistency]]", don't lose sight of HR being an extremely loose-canon collection of one-off cartoons. Overly rationalizing inconsistencies can lead to a bunch of awkward "however, it could just be..." sentences appended to statements - sometimes even ''right'' after another sentence starting with "however"! It's better to rewrite to say something like "There is inconsistency in [x]: in [y], [1]; in [z], [2]".
	*Provide historical context		*Provide historical context
-	*As we approach 20 years from the peak of HR activity and a full decade from the crucial [[hiatus]], increasing amounts of the body of work may require historical context. Something like the Weekly Fanstuff may have been obvious and well-known in 2007, but in ~~2024~~ it's been so long since a true update to it that new fans may be wholly unaware of how it worked ({{prs\|1756777719495369036\|11\|Feb\|2024\|alt="Were you there 19 years ago? (Were you born?!)"}} as SB puts it). Putting more detail to explain something from the '00s or '10s {{--}} site function or general culture of the era {{--}} can be valuable.	+	*As we approach 20 years from the peak of HR activity and are a full decade removed from the crucial [[hiatus]], increasing amounts of the body of work may require historical context. Something like the Weekly Fanstuff may have been obvious and well-known in 2007, but in {{CURRENTISOYEAR}} it's been so long since a true update to it that new fans may be wholly unaware of how it worked ({{prs\|1756777719495369036\|11\|Feb\|2024\|alt="Were you there 19 years ago? (Were you born?!)"}} as SB puts it). Putting more detail to explain something from the '00s or '10s {{--}} site function or general culture of the era {{--}} can be valuable.

	== Might-Coulds ==		== Might-Coulds ==

Bleu Ninja: /* Might-Coulds */ select the usable fun facts

Bleu Ninja — Fri, 24 Oct 2025 19:53:11 GMT

Might-Coulds: select the usable fun facts

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	**I don't like a lot of the band articles where their only "appearance" is seeing an album cover in an easter egg but there's no musicians shown, songs named, or music heard. Why have an infobox if every field is "''[unknown]''"?		**I don't like a lot of the band articles where their only "appearance" is seeing an album cover in an easter egg but there's no musicians shown, songs named, or music heard. Why have an infobox if every field is "''[unknown]''"?
	**Get rid of the Tom Servo article, or at the very least merge it with MST3K. An unmoving silhouette sight gag does not a "character" make.		**Get rid of the Tom Servo article, or at the very least merge it with MST3K. An unmoving silhouette sight gag does not a "character" make.
-	*"~~Pizza trolls~~" in pizza joint ~~could be~~ a reference to ''Logical Journey of the Zoombinis''	+
		+	===Dubious Fun Facts===
		+	Connections I've made that are a little too loose or vague to mark down as beyond just being coincidence.
		+
		+	*[[Fluffy Puff Commercial]] (et al) {{--}} The name "Cherry Greg" is a reference to director John Cherry
		+	**See [[Talk:Cherry Greg#Possible real-world connection?]]
		+	**For reference, [https://www.beingernestfilm.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/11_IOBE_ErnestShoot1986-1280x827.jpg a clapperboard from an "Ernest" commercial with Cherry's name on it]
		+	*[[death metal]] {{--}} Strong Bad reading the greeting as "Ding dong, string strong, bing bong" is a reference to the "Ding Dong King Kong Sing Song Burger" from the 'Globo-Chem' sketch in ''Mr. Show with Bob and David''.
		+	**There's a nod to ''Mr. Show'' in ''[[Thy Dungeonman II]]'', but this is still a pretty generic rhyming gag. Also the joke of the 'Globo-Chem' sketch is that it's super over-the-top explicit and offensive so I'd rather not link it on such a site as this.
		+	*[[pizza joint]] {{--}} The "pizza trolls" are a reference to the Pizza Trolls in the computer game ''Logical Journey of the Zoombinis''.
	**I actually have greatly cooled on this over the years to the point where I think it's more '''un'''likely than likely. When I first joined the wiki (!!) I remember being annoyed that [[Talk:pizza joint#Zoombinis\|it had already been discussed and rejected]] before I could contribute, plus I had not encountered {{w\|Troll (slang)\|the slang term "troll"}} before.		**I actually have greatly cooled on this over the years to the point where I think it's more '''un'''likely than likely. When I first joined the wiki (!!) I remember being annoyed that [[Talk:pizza joint#Zoombinis\|it had already been discussed and rejected]] before I could contribute, plus I had not encountered {{w\|Troll (slang)\|the slang term "troll"}} before.
-	**'''FOR:''' (1) the phrase "pizza troll" is very distinctive and seems to have exclusively been used by the game at that point (2) TBC have previously referenced Brøderbund's Carmen Sandiego games (3) both Zoombinis and Virtual Pizz are pixelated computer games	+	***'''FOR:''' (1) the phrase "pizza troll" is very distinctive and seems to have exclusively been used by the game at that point (2) TBC have previously referenced Brøderbund's Carmen Sandiego games (3) both Zoombinis and Virtual Pizz are pixelated computer games
-	**'''AGAINST:''' (1) the "trolls" look and act completely differently in VPdB and LJotZ (2) Zoombini's 1996 release date is a little late for TBC who primarily reference mid-80s/early-90s software; it's a children's game and by the time it came out in they were both in their twenties	+	***'''AGAINST:''' (1) the "trolls" look and act completely differently in VPdB and LJotZ (2) Zoombini's 1996 release date is a little late for TBC who primarily reference mid-80s/early-90s software; it's a children's game and by the time it came out in they were both in their twenties

	===Wiki features===		===Wiki features===

Bleu Ninja: one more homestar-adjacent brag

Bleu Ninja — Mon, 09 Jun 2025 18:50:51 GMT

one more homestar-adjacent brag

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		+	{{userbox \| border=#000000 \| border=#000000 \| mainbkgd=#f7f0e0 \| codebkgd=#FFFFFF \| codecolor=#FFFFFF \| code=[[File:TwitterCosmicScoundrels.jpg\|35px]] \| msg=the '''''[[The Brothers Chaps' Other Projects\|Cosmic Scoundrels]]''''' giant-sized super books,}}
	{{userbox \| border=#000000 \| border=#000000 \| mainbkgd=#f7f0e0 \| codebkgd=#FFFFFF \| codecolor=#FFFFFF \| code=[[Image:TrogdorTheBoardGame.png\|35px]] \| msg=the Kickstarter edition of '''[[Trogdor!! The Board Game]]''',}}		{{userbox \| border=#000000 \| border=#000000 \| mainbkgd=#f7f0e0 \| codebkgd=#FFFFFF \| codecolor=#FFFFFF \| code=[[Image:TrogdorTheBoardGame.png\|35px]] \| msg=the Kickstarter edition of '''[[Trogdor!! The Board Game]]''',}}
	{{userbox \| border=#000000 \| border=#000000 \| mainbkgd=#FFCC99 \| codebkgd=#FFFFFF \| codecolor=#FFFFFF \| code=[[Image:Patches.PNG\|43px]] \| msg=the '''[[Store Other 2-D Stuff#Discontinued Patches\|Patches]]''',}}		{{userbox \| border=#000000 \| border=#000000 \| mainbkgd=#FFCC99 \| codebkgd=#FFFFFF \| codecolor=#FFFFFF \| code=[[Image:Patches.PNG\|43px]] \| msg=the '''[[Store Other 2-D Stuff#Discontinued Patches\|Patches]]''',}}

Bleu Ninja: bring back some userboxen, mostly to brag about my collection

Bleu Ninja — Tue, 30 Jul 2024 17:13:08 GMT

bring back some userboxen, mostly to brag about my collection

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		+	{{userboxtop}}
		+	{{userbox \| border=#006400 \| mainbkgd=#ADFF2F \| codebkgd=#15143a\| codecolor=#000000 \| code=[[File:Homsar as Gnome.png\|30px]] \| msg=This user enjoys doing '''[[HRWiki:WikiGnome\|Gnome work]]'''.}}
		+	{{userbox \| border=#000000 \| mainbkgd=#ff9150 \| codebkgd=#000000 \| codecolor=#FF6103 \| code=RC \| msg=This user patrols '''[[Special:Recentchanges\|Recent Changes]]'''.}}
		+	{{userbox \| border=#000 \| mainbkgd=#CCF \| codebkgd=#fff \| codecolor=#000 \| code=[[Image:Discord.png\|42px]] \| msg=This user is on the '''[[HRWiki:Discord server\|Discord server]]''', but prefers being pinged on [[User_talk:Bleu_Ninja\|his talk page]].}}
		+	{{userbox \| border=#36c \| mainbkgd=#f5faff \| codebkgd=#36c \| codecolor=#FFFFFF \| code=WP \| msg=This user is also on '''Wikipedia'''.}}
		+	{{userbox \| border=#000000 \| mainbkgd=#FF9900 \| codebkgd=#FFCC00 \| codecolor=#663333 \| code=OLD \| msg=This user is '''older than the [[Original Book]]'''.}}
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		+	{{userbox \| border=#F00 \| mainbkgd=#FFF \| codebkgd=#0000EE \| codecolor=#FFF \| code=[[Image:FCUSAMaybe.PNG\|47px]] \| msg=This user is an '''[[Wikipedia:United States\|American]]'''.}}
		+	{{userbox \| border=#724e03 \| mainbkgd=#eff4a8 \| codebkgd=#94763f \| code=[[Image:TheCheatPeeling.gif\|43px]] \| msg=This user is currently<BR>a-peeling... '''[[pet show\|POTATOES!]]'''}}
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		+	{{userbox \| border=#000000 \| border=#000000 \| mainbkgd=#f7f0e0 \| codebkgd=#FFFFFF \| codecolor=#FFFFFF \| code=[[Image:TrogdorTheBoardGame.png\|35px]] \| msg=the Kickstarter edition of '''[[Trogdor!! The Board Game]]''',}}
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		+
	Been a fan of H★R for years and years, and it has had a nigh-incalculable influence on my sense of humor and speech patterns.		Been a fan of H★R for years and years, and it has had a nigh-incalculable influence on my sense of humor and speech patterns.

	Also: I've made it onto yonder website twice times!		Also: I've made it onto yonder website twice times!
-	<gallery widths="~~256px~~" heights="~~235px~~">	+	<gallery widths="200px" heights="175px">
	Image:Cheat Commandos Lego.png\|LEGO Cheat Commandos on the [[Weekly Fanstuff 2009#WF-2009-2-26\|Weekly Fanstuff]]		Image:Cheat Commandos Lego.png\|LEGO Cheat Commandos on the [[Weekly Fanstuff 2009#WF-2009-2-26\|Weekly Fanstuff]]
-	Image:sucky-treats fanstume.jpg\|Coach Z 'stume on the [[Fan Costumes 2017\|Fan Costumes]]	+	Image:sucky-treats fanstume.jpg\|Coach Z 'stume on the [[Fan Costumes 2017\|Fan Costumes]]
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	**A lot of articles consist of a giant lede followed by the "appearances" list. These thick 'n' nasty ledes are often just a single rambling paragraph, a blow-by-blow of appearance recaps, caused by editors just appending a sentence when a new incidence occurs. I like to break those up into paragraphs and add headers so articles can describe the subject more clearly.		**A lot of articles consist of a giant lede followed by the "appearances" list. These thick 'n' nasty ledes are often just a single rambling paragraph, a blow-by-blow of appearance recaps, caused by editors just appending a sentence when a new incidence occurs. I like to break those up into paragraphs and add headers so articles can describe the subject more clearly.
	*Add headers and sub-bullets		*Add headers and sub-bullets
-	**Wiki formatting lets us use headers, so I say ~~use 'em~~! Navigability and readability is nice to have.	+	**Wiki formatting lets us use headers, so [[diorama\|I say embrace it]]! Navigability and readability is nice to have.
	*Avoid over-reliance on in-universe rationale		*Avoid over-reliance on in-universe rationale
-	**It's fun to try and rationalize every inconsistency in a {{w\|Marvel No-Prize}} sort of way, but a lot of times the answer is just "the Brothers Chaps changed their minds"~~. Homestar didn't sell his old mushroom hut and move to a ''Peanuts''-y house, they just decided to change where the fictional character lived~~. Sometimes DVD commentaries are improvised jokes, not hard-set canon. It's a neat thinking exercise to try and rationalize Homsar as suffering from {{w\|receptive aphasia}}, but at the end of the day he's a cartoon man doing something that the writers thought would be funny and [[TVTropes:Main/MST3KMantra\|you should really just relax]].	+	**It's fun to try and rationalize every inconsistency in a {{w\|Marvel No-Prize}} sort of way, but a lot of times the answer is just "the Brothers Chaps made it up and then changed their minds". Sometimes DVD commentaries are improvised jokes, not hard-set canon. It's a neat thinking exercise to try and rationalize Homsar as suffering from {{w\|receptive aphasia}}, but at the end of the day he's a cartoon man doing something that the writers thought would be funny and [[TVTropes:Main/MST3KMantra\|you should really just relax]].
	**Reduce use of "Apparently"		**Reduce use of "Apparently"
	***Not to {{w\|User:Giraffedata/comprised of\|get all Giraffedata up in here}} but in the vast majority of cases such weasel-wordery can be avoided. It seems for years there was a trend to avoid being presumptuous, but it went too far to the point where tons of articles have annoyingly vague wording along the lines of "the Compy is presumably Strong Bad's computer, which he apparently uses to check emails". It's not a huge leap of logic to make the sort of assertions that are being elided; just drop the "apparently".		***Not to {{w\|User:Giraffedata/comprised of\|get all Giraffedata up in here}} but in the vast majority of cases such weasel-wordery can be avoided. It seems for years there was a trend to avoid being presumptuous, but it went too far to the point where tons of articles have annoyingly vague wording along the lines of "the Compy is presumably Strong Bad's computer, which he apparently uses to check emails". It's not a huge leap of logic to make the sort of assertions that are being elided; just drop the "apparently".

Bleu Ninja: some more thoughts

Bleu Ninja — Mon, 15 Jul 2024 20:30:10 GMT

some more thoughts

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-	Been a fan of H★R for years and years, and it has had a nigh-incalculable influence on my sense of humor and speech patterns~~. Mostly I do gnome work here around on the Wiki~~.	+	Been a fan of H★R for years and years, and it has had a nigh-incalculable influence on my sense of humor and speech patterns.

	Also: I've made it onto yonder website twice times!		Also: I've made it onto yonder website twice times!
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		+	== Contributor-ing ==
		+	A great deal of my earlier contributions to the wiki were [[HRWiki:WikiGnome\|gnome work]], and to this day I stil like to hit "Random page" until I find something that has gone uncorrected since the Bush administration. But I have moved on to more advanced edits as well {{--}}
		+	*Improve article ledes
		+	**A lot of articles consist of a giant lede followed by the "appearances" list. These thick 'n' nasty ledes are often just a single rambling paragraph, a blow-by-blow of appearance recaps, caused by editors just appending a sentence when a new incidence occurs. I like to break those up into paragraphs and add headers so articles can describe the subject more clearly.
		+	*Add headers and sub-bullets
		+	**Wiki formatting lets us use headers, so I say use 'em! Navigability and readability is nice to have.
		+	*Avoid over-reliance on in-universe rationale
		+	**It's fun to try and rationalize every inconsistency in a {{w\|Marvel No-Prize}} sort of way, but a lot of times the answer is just "the Brothers Chaps changed their minds". Homestar didn't sell his old mushroom hut and move to a ''Peanuts''-y house, they just decided to change where the fictional character lived. Sometimes DVD commentaries are improvised jokes, not hard-set canon. It's a neat thinking exercise to try and rationalize Homsar as suffering from {{w\|receptive aphasia}}, but at the end of the day he's a cartoon man doing something that the writers thought would be funny and [[TVTropes:Main/MST3KMantra\|you should really just relax]].
		+	**Reduce use of "Apparently"
		+	***Not to {{w\|User:Giraffedata/comprised of\|get all Giraffedata up in here}} but in the vast majority of cases such weasel-wordery can be avoided. It seems for years there was a trend to avoid being presumptuous, but it went too far to the point where tons of articles have annoyingly vague wording along the lines of "the Compy is presumably Strong Bad's computer, which he apparently uses to check emails". It's not a huge leap of logic to make the sort of assertions that are being elided; just drop the "apparently".
		+	**Reduce use of "However"
		+	**As fun as it is to play "[[Sbemail 200 Fakeout\|Name That Inconsistency]]", don't lose sight of HR being an extremely loose-canon collection of one-off cartoons. Overly rationalizing inconsistencies can lead to a bunch of awkward "however, it could just be..." sentences appended to statements - sometimes even ''right'' after another sentence starting with "however"! It's better to rewrite to say something like "There is inconsistency in [x]: in [y], [1]; in [z], [2]".
		+	*Provide historical context
		+	*As we approach 20 years from the peak of HR activity and a full decade from the crucial [[hiatus]], increasing amounts of the body of work may require historical context. Something like the Weekly Fanstuff may have been obvious and well-known in 2007, but in 2024 it's been so long since a true update to it that new fans may be wholly unaware of how it worked ({{prs\|1756777719495369036\|11\|Feb\|2024\|alt="Were you there 19 years ago? (Were you born?!)"}} as SB puts it). Putting more detail to explain something from the '00s or '10s {{--}} site function or general culture of the era {{--}} can be valuable.
		+
	== Might-Coulds ==		== Might-Coulds ==
	Various elements of wiki editorship that I feel vaguely strongly about.		Various elements of wiki editorship that I feel vaguely strongly about.
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	* ''The Far Side''		* ''The Far Side''
	**Not quite enough instances ([[Sketchbook (video)]], [[Jibblies 2]], [[Decemberweenvent Calendar]]) for notability. But if they make one more joke about it, it's go time!		**Not quite enough instances ([[Sketchbook (video)]], [[Jibblies 2]], [[Decemberweenvent Calendar]]) for notability. But if they make one more joke about it, it's go time!
		+	* The Cheat being called a "yellow dog"
		+	**This does happen semi-regularly, but it's almost always a direct quote from [[army]] so I doubt it's really a running gag.
	*Interviews that mention ''South Park''		*Interviews that mention ''South Park''
	**Too trivial for an article or category but, especially in the early 00s, interviewers ''loved'' to make the comparison.		**Too trivial for an article or category but, especially in the early 00s, interviewers ''loved'' to make the comparison.
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	**Just kidding. That would be dumb.		**Just kidding. That would be dumb.

-	~~===Cleanups===~~
-	~~Specific types of [[HRWiki:WikiGnome\|gnome work]] (and beyond) I like to do. Usually I hit "Random page" until I find something that has gone uncorrected since the Bush administration.~~
-	*Ledes
-	**A lot of articles just have a giant lede, often a single rambling paragraph, caused by editors just appending a sentence when a new incidence occurs. I like to break those up with headers so articles aren't just a play-by-play of their filmography and can describe the subject more clearly.
-	*"Apparently"
-	**Not to {{w\|User:Giraffedata/comprised of\|get all Giraffedata up in here}} but in the vast majority of cases such weasel-wordery can be avoided. It seems for years there was a trend to avoid being presumptuous, but it went too far to the point where articles are just short of "the Compy is presumably Strong Bad's computer, which he apparently uses to check emails". It's not a huge leap of logic to make the sort of assertions that are being elided; just drop the "apparently".
-	*Relying on in-universe rationale
-	**Sort of related to the last one? It's fun to try and rationalize every inconsistency in a {{w\|Marvel No-Prize}} sort of way, but a lot of times the answer is just "the Brothers Chaps changed their minds". Homestar didn't sell his old mushroom hut and move to a ''Peanuts''-y house, they just decided to change where the fictional character lived. Sometimes DVD commentaries are improvised jokes, not hard-set canon. It's a neat thinking exercise to ponder how Homestar's eyes swivel around his skull to always face the viewer, but at the end of the day he's a two-dimensional cartoon and [[TVTropes:Main/MST3KMantra\|you should really just relax]].
-	*"However"
-	**A combo of the previous two. Overly rationalizing inconsistencies can lead to a "however, it could just be..." sentence appended to a statement - sometimes even ''right'' after another sentence starting with "however"! It's better to rewrite to say something like "There is inconsistency in [x]: in [y], [1]; in [z], [2]".
	===Disagreements===		===Disagreements===
	Things I disagree with Wiki consensus on but don't feel like fighting about. Don't feel obliged to make edits based on these on my behalf!		Things I disagree with Wiki consensus on but don't feel like fighting about. Don't feel obliged to make edits based on these on my behalf!
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	===Wiki features===		===Wiki features===
-	~~Mostly a~~ fantastical wishlist ~~that I recognize won~~'t ~~be fulfilled.~~ I don't see the wiki getting any ~~serious~~ backend updates, unless something seriously breaks.	+	A semi-fantastical wishlist, but since the MediaWiki version hasn't been updated in forever I don't see the wiki getting any appreciable backend updates (unless something seriously breaks).
	*SVG image support		*SVG image support
	**The vast majority of site elements are vector drawings. SVGs are often smaller file sizes and scale much better than raster images.		**The vast majority of site elements are vector drawings. SVGs are often smaller file sizes and scale much better than raster images.

Bleu Ninja: /* Disagreements */ "KoT is older than MLS" argument

Bleu Ninja — Thu, 30 May 2024 17:32:29 GMT

Disagreements: "KoT is older than MLS" argument

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	===Disagreements===		===Disagreements===
	Things I disagree with Wiki consensus on but don't feel like fighting about. Don't feel obliged to make edits based on these on my behalf!		Things I disagree with Wiki consensus on but don't feel like fighting about. Don't feel obliged to make edits based on these on my behalf!
		+	*[[The King of Town DVD Old Version\|The King of Town]] was made before [[Marshmallow's Last Stand]]
		+	**Its production style is much more rudimentary.
		+	***KOT makes heavy use of captions (like the kid's books, or [[Pom Pom, Too]]) and canned sound effects rather than narration. Apart from credits, MLS is fully voiced.
		+	***KOT has a noticeably slow pace, most of the cartoon is characters standing still while a sound effect plays. MLS is much more dynamic, with little "dead air" and characters moving and emoting even when not speaking.
		+	***KOT has a very simple art style, with next to no shading and very minimal broadly-colored backgrounds. MLS uses gradients, patterns, and much more detailed drawings and motion.
		+	**It makes more sense for the King and Poopsmith to have originated in KOT than MLS.
		+	***The Poopsmith's appearance in MLS includes his stained gloves and a poop pun. He is not identified as a "poopsmith" in MLS, his appearance and sign only make sense with the context of the KOT toon already existing.
		+	***[[UMFM Interview - 20 May 2003\|"[The Poopsmith] originally was just going to be a one-off joke in the King of Town cartoon, [but then] we had him appear in a few other cartoons here and there."]]
		+	***The DVD commentary for KOT describes it as "the first cartoon that we ever put on the Homestar website" and "the cartoon that introduced the King of Town [and] the Poopsmith".
		+	**"But the disclaimer calls MLS 'the first cartoon we ever made'!" Sure, but elsewhere it'd been qualified as the "[[Old Flash Stuff\|first ''full'' cartoon]]" or "[[l33t Interview\|the first cartoon we did ''for the site'']]", both of which add ambiguity. "The first we ever made" obviously doesn't mean MLS predates [[First Flash]], perhaps they didn't consider KOT as a full toon?
		+	***Both claims of KOT or MLS being a "first cartoon" come from the same DVD release. Maybe in the 6 years leading up to it, dozens (if not hundreds) of toons later, the production order of earliest things on the site got a bit fuzzy.
		+	**I suspect [[In Search of the Yello Dello]] predates MLS as well (in addition to the writing style again using a lot of captions and having that slow pace, it would make sense for Marzipan to debut here and ''then'' be a crowd-filler in MLS), but the [[Oldest Toons Menu]] implies that this isn't the case.
	*Transcribing Diamonocle's pronunciation of "Dangeresque"		*Transcribing Diamonocle's pronunciation of "Dangeresque"
-	**Writing his line from stunt double as ''"Danger-skew"'' may be phonetically correct but it does a poor job of illustrating the joke: that he's saying "Dangeres/que" instead of "Danger/esque", breaking the word into the wrong syllables. The subtitles for the game write it as "Danger-sque", and sometimes I've ~~used~~ "Dangeres-queue", but neither of those are particularly good either.	+	**Writing his line from stunt double as ''"Danger-skew"'' may be phonetically correct but it does a poor job of illustrating the joke: that he's saying "Dangeres/que" instead of "Danger/esque", breaking the word into the wrong syllables. The subtitles for the game write it as "Danger-sque", and sometimes I've tried "Dangeres-queue", but neither of those are particularly good either.
-	**With the introduction of "Dagger Skew~~" on the Steam Trading Cards~~, ~~I feel like~~ "Danger-skew" has been 'canonized', ~~as it were~~. Oh well!	+	**With the introduction of [[Dagger Skew]], it seems "Danger-skew" has been 'canonized', so to speak. Oh well!
	*[[Sightings]] {{--}} especially user-generated subsections like "skins" or "web" {{--}} has outlived its usefulness and should be retired, locked as a historical archive.		*[[Sightings]] {{--}} especially user-generated subsections like "skins" or "web" {{--}} has outlived its usefulness and should be retired, locked as a historical archive.
-	*In 2003, back in the days of webrings or banner links, learning that something referenced Homestar was novel and could lead to discovering a new time-wastin' site.~~.. twenty~~ years later, a vast majority of the sites have link-rotted away and a new sighting is, like, "a youtuber said jorb". I think it has value as a historical artifact, but... what's the point? Is anyone going to scroll through the 190 Web Sightings, clicking all the way? When "Sightings" was created, sites like YouTube/Reddit/Twitter/Tumblr were a year or less old; nowadays if anyone's looking for HR fan creations (or sightings!) they're gonna just search those platforms, which are also more conducive to sharing links or images!	+	*In 2003, back in the days of webrings or banner links, learning that something referenced Homestar was novel and could lead to discovering a new time-wastin' site. Twenty years later, a vast majority of the sites have link-rotted away and a new sighting is, like, "a youtuber said jorb". I think it has value as a historical artifact, but... what's the point nowadays? Is anyone going to scroll through the 190+ Web Sightings, clicking all the way? When "Sightings" was created, sites like YouTube/Reddit/Twitter/Tumblr were a year or less old; nowadays if anyone's looking for HR fan creations (or sightings!) they're gonna just search those platforms, which are also more conducive to sharing links or images!
	**Incidentally, [[School Sightings]] might could fall afoul of [[HRWiki:Youth protection]]... even if a lot of them are universities there's an "encourage kids to say what school they go to" thing goin' on there.		**Incidentally, [[School Sightings]] might could fall afoul of [[HRWiki:Youth protection]]... even if a lot of them are universities there's an "encourage kids to say what school they go to" thing goin' on there.
	*Generally I favor fewer articles for one-off gags.		*Generally I favor fewer articles for one-off gags.
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	**Get rid of the Tom Servo article, or at the very least merge it with MST3K. An unmoving silhouette sight gag does not a "character" make.		**Get rid of the Tom Servo article, or at the very least merge it with MST3K. An unmoving silhouette sight gag does not a "character" make.
	*"Pizza trolls" in pizza joint could be a reference to ''Logical Journey of the Zoombinis''		*"Pizza trolls" in pizza joint could be a reference to ''Logical Journey of the Zoombinis''
-	**I actually have greatly cooled on this over the years to the point where I think it's more '''un'''likely than likely. When I first joined the wiki (!!) I remember being annoyed that [[Talk:pizza joint#Zoombinis\|it had already been discussed and rejected]] before I could contribute, plus I had not encountered {{w\|Troll (slang)\|the slang term "troll"}} before.~~<br/>~~'''FOR:''' (1) the phrase "pizza troll" is very distinctive and seems to have exclusively been used by the game at that point (2) TBC have previously referenced Brøderbund's Carmen Sandiego games (3) both Zoombinis and Virtual Pizz are pixelated computer games~~<br/>~~'''AGAINST:''' (1) the "trolls" look and act completely differently in VPdB and LJotZ (2) Zoombini's 1996 release date is a little late for TBC who primarily reference mid-80s/early-90s software; it's a children's game and by the time it came out in they were both in their twenties	+	**I actually have greatly cooled on this over the years to the point where I think it's more '''un'''likely than likely. When I first joined the wiki (!!) I remember being annoyed that [[Talk:pizza joint#Zoombinis\|it had already been discussed and rejected]] before I could contribute, plus I had not encountered {{w\|Troll (slang)\|the slang term "troll"}} before.
		+	**'''FOR:''' (1) the phrase "pizza troll" is very distinctive and seems to have exclusively been used by the game at that point (2) TBC have previously referenced Brøderbund's Carmen Sandiego games (3) both Zoombinis and Virtual Pizz are pixelated computer games
		+	**'''AGAINST:''' (1) the "trolls" look and act completely differently in VPdB and LJotZ (2) Zoombini's 1996 release date is a little late for TBC who primarily reference mid-80s/early-90s software; it's a children's game and by the time it came out in they were both in their twenties

	===Wiki features===		===Wiki features===

Bleu Ninja: /* Disagreements */ lunk

Bleu Ninja — Sat, 09 Mar 2024 21:50:41 GMT

Disagreements: lunk

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	**Get rid of the Tom Servo article, or at the very least merge it with MST3K. An unmoving silhouette sight gag does not a "character" make.		**Get rid of the Tom Servo article, or at the very least merge it with MST3K. An unmoving silhouette sight gag does not a "character" make.
	*"Pizza trolls" in pizza joint could be a reference to ''Logical Journey of the Zoombinis''		*"Pizza trolls" in pizza joint could be a reference to ''Logical Journey of the Zoombinis''
-	**I actually have greatly cooled on this over the years to the point where I think it's more '''un'''likely than likely. When I first joined the wiki (!!) I remember being annoyed that [[[Talk:~~pizza_joint~~#Zoombinis\|it had already been discussed and rejected]] before I could contribute, plus I had not encountered {{w\|Troll (slang)\|the slang term "troll"}} before.<br/>'''FOR:''' (1) the phrase "pizza troll" is very distinctive and seems to have exclusively been used by the game at that point (2) TBC have previously referenced Brøderbund's Carmen Sandiego games (3) both Zoombinis and Virtual Pizz are pixelated computer games<br/>'''AGAINST:''' (1) the "trolls" look and act completely differently in VPdB and LJotZ (2) Zoombini's 1996 release date is a little late for TBC who primarily reference mid-80s/early-90s software; it's a children's game and by the time it came out in they were both in their twenties	+	**I actually have greatly cooled on this over the years to the point where I think it's more '''un'''likely than likely. When I first joined the wiki (!!) I remember being annoyed that [[Talk:pizza joint#Zoombinis\|it had already been discussed and rejected]] before I could contribute, plus I had not encountered {{w\|Troll (slang)\|the slang term "troll"}} before.<br/>'''FOR:''' (1) the phrase "pizza troll" is very distinctive and seems to have exclusively been used by the game at that point (2) TBC have previously referenced Brøderbund's Carmen Sandiego games (3) both Zoombinis and Virtual Pizz are pixelated computer games<br/>'''AGAINST:''' (1) the "trolls" look and act completely differently in VPdB and LJotZ (2) Zoombini's 1996 release date is a little late for TBC who primarily reference mid-80s/early-90s software; it's a children's game and by the time it came out in they were both in their twenties

	===Wiki features===		===Wiki features===

Bleu Ninja: /* Disagreements */ reword rationale

Bleu Ninja — Sat, 09 Mar 2024 21:47:01 GMT

Disagreements: reword rationale

Bleu Ninja: /* Articles */ a bit o' research. still not particularly convinced of notability-have.

Bleu Ninja — Sat, 09 Mar 2024 21:27:09 GMT

Articles: a bit o' research. still not particularly convinced of notability-have.

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	Various elements of wiki editorship that I feel vaguely strongly about.		Various elements of wiki editorship that I feel vaguely strongly about.
	===Articles===		===Articles===
-	Things that the wiki could potentially have an article about someday. ~~I'm probably~~ not ~~motivated enough to make 'em, though~~.	+	Things that the wiki could potentially have an article about someday. Or not.
	* Cosplay		* Cosplay
-	**~~Use of this specific term~~, ~~distinct from "costumes". See "cosplayover camp"~~, ~~that one time Stinkoman says "co-splay!"~~.	+	**Mentioned in [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]], [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]], [[I Killed Pom Pom]], [[Fan 'Stumes 2019]]. Not a particularly notable word choice, though, is it?
	* Strong Bad being called "Strongbad" (b/w Strong Badia being called "Strongbadia")		* Strong Bad being called "Strongbad" (b/w Strong Badia being called "Strongbadia")
-	**~~This is mostly covered~~ in [[Poorly Written Emails]] ~~already and is not~~ super article-worthy outside of that.	+	**Brought this in to [[Poorly Written Emails]]. Not super article-worthy outside of that.
-	**~~Besides emails (and tweets)~~, "Strongbad" or "StrongBad" showed up in ''[[Run Devil Run Interview\|Run Devil Run]], [[Penguin Brothers Interview - 26 May 2003\|Penguin Brothers]], [[Wonkavision Magazine Interview\|Wonka Vision]], [[The Brunswickan Interview - 4 Apr 2003\|The Brunswickan]]'', the [[Alamo Drafthouse - 10 Jun 2005\|Alamo Drafthouse event page]], and the [[Homestar Runner 20th Anniversary Show\|20th Anniversary Show event page]].	+	**Out-of-universe, "Strongbad" or "StrongBad" showed up in ''[[Run Devil Run Interview\|Run Devil Run]]'', ''[[Penguin Brothers Interview - 26 May 2003\|Penguin Brothers]]'', ''[[Wonkavision Magazine Interview\|Wonka Vision]]'', ''[[The Brunswickan Interview - 4 Apr 2003\|The Brunswickan]]'', the [[Alamo Drafthouse - 10 Jun 2005\|Alamo Drafthouse event page]], and the [[Homestar Runner 20th Anniversary Show\|20th Anniversary Show event page]].
	* Multiple exclamation points!!		* Multiple exclamation points!!
-	**This is a minor but distinctive writing gag on par with Lowercase '''i''''s with how much it subtly shows up when one exclamation mark will do (see: [[Strong Bad Email Page Titles]]). Probably too hard to search for and document, and not ''that'' notable.	+	**This is a minor but distinctive writing gag on par with Lowercase '''i''''s with how much it subtly shows up when one exclamation mark will do (see: [[Strong Bad Email Page Titles]]). Probably too hard to search for and document, and not ''that'' notable.
	* ''The Far Side''		* ''The Far Side''
-	**~~I don't think this has~~ enough instances ~~to meet the~~ notability ~~requirements~~. But if they make one more joke about it, it's go time!	+	**Not quite enough instances ([[Sketchbook (video)]], [[Jibblies 2]], [[Decemberweenvent Calendar]]) for notability. But if they make one more joke about it, it's go time!
	*Interviews that mention ''South Park''		*Interviews that mention ''South Park''
	**Too trivial for an article or category but, especially in the early 00s, interviewers ''loved'' to make the comparison.		**Too trivial for an article or category but, especially in the early 00s, interviewers ''loved'' to make the comparison.

Bleu Ninja: /* Disagreements */ I got got by Word Of God on this one

Bleu Ninja — Mon, 15 Jan 2024 20:02:07 GMT

Disagreements: I got got by Word Of God on this one

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	*Transcribing Diamonocle's pronunciation of "Dangeresque"		*Transcribing Diamonocle's pronunciation of "Dangeresque"
	**Writing his line from stunt double as "Danger-skew" may be phonetically correct but it does a poor job of illustrating the joke: that he's breaking "Dangeresque" up into the wrong syllables.		**Writing his line from stunt double as "Danger-skew" may be phonetically correct but it does a poor job of illustrating the joke: that he's breaking "Dangeresque" up into the wrong syllables.
-	**The subtitles for the game write it as "Danger-sque" ~~but~~ I ~~see how that~~'~~s not an ideal way to write it~~ either.	+	***The subtitles for the game write it as "Danger-sque", and sometimes I've used "Dangeres-queue", but neither of those are particularly good either.
-	**I ~~favor~~ "~~Dangeres~~-~~queue~~" ~~but... eh it~~'~~s not great either~~.	+	**With the introduction of "Dagger Skew" on the Steam Trading Cards, I feel like "Danger-skew" has been 'canonized', as it were. Oh well!
	*[[Sightings]] has outlived its usefulness and should be retired, locked as a historical archive		*[[Sightings]] has outlived its usefulness and should be retired, locked as a historical archive
	**In 2003, back in the days of webrings or banner links, learning that something referenced Homestar was novel and could lead to discovering a new time-wastin' site... twenty years later, a vast majority of the sites have link-rotted away and a new sighting is, like, "a youtuber said jorb". I think it has value as a historical artifact, but... what's the point? Is anyone going to scroll through the 190 Web Sightings, clicking all the way?		**In 2003, back in the days of webrings or banner links, learning that something referenced Homestar was novel and could lead to discovering a new time-wastin' site... twenty years later, a vast majority of the sites have link-rotted away and a new sighting is, like, "a youtuber said jorb". I think it has value as a historical artifact, but... what's the point? Is anyone going to scroll through the 190 Web Sightings, clicking all the way?
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	***FOR: (1) the phrase "pizza troll" is very distinctive and seems to have exclusively been used by the game at that point (2) TBC have previously referenced Brøderbund's Carmen Sandiego games (3) both Zoombinis and Virtual Pizz are pixelated computer games		***FOR: (1) the phrase "pizza troll" is very distinctive and seems to have exclusively been used by the game at that point (2) TBC have previously referenced Brøderbund's Carmen Sandiego games (3) both Zoombinis and Virtual Pizz are pixelated computer games
	***AGAINST: (1) the "trolls" look and act completely differently in VPdB and LJotZ (2) Zoombini's 1996 release date is a little late for TBC who primarily reference mid-80s/early-90s software; it's a children's game and by the time it came out in they were both in their 20s		***AGAINST: (1) the "trolls" look and act completely differently in VPdB and LJotZ (2) Zoombini's 1996 release date is a little late for TBC who primarily reference mid-80s/early-90s software; it's a children's game and by the time it came out in they were both in their 20s
		+
	===Wiki features===		===Wiki features===
	Mostly a fantastical wishlist that I recognize won't be fulfilled. I don't see the wiki getting any serious backend updates, unless something seriously breaks.		Mostly a fantastical wishlist that I recognize won't be fulfilled. I don't see the wiki getting any serious backend updates, unless something seriously breaks.

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	Been a fan of H★R for years and years, and it has had a nigh-incalculable influence on my sense of humor and speech patterns.		Been a fan of H★R for years and years, and it has had a nigh-incalculable influence on my sense of humor and speech patterns.

	Also: I've made it onto yonder website twice times!		Also: I've made it onto yonder website twice times!
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	Image:Cheat Commandos Lego.png\|LEGO Cheat Commandos on the [[Weekly Fanstuff 2009#WF-2009-2-26\|Weekly Fanstuff]]		Image:Cheat Commandos Lego.png\|LEGO Cheat Commandos on the [[Weekly Fanstuff 2009#WF-2009-2-26\|Weekly Fanstuff]]
-	Image:sucky-treats fanstume.jpg\|Coach Z 'stume on the [[Fan Costumes 2017\|Fan Costumes]]	+	Image:sucky-treats fanstume.jpg\|Coach Z 'stume on the [[Fan Costumes 2017\|Fan Costumes]]
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	**A lot of articles consist of a giant lede followed by the "appearances" list. These thick 'n' nasty ledes are often just a single rambling paragraph, a blow-by-blow of appearance recaps, caused by editors just appending a sentence when a new incidence occurs. I like to break those up into paragraphs and add headers so articles can describe the subject more clearly.		**A lot of articles consist of a giant lede followed by the "appearances" list. These thick 'n' nasty ledes are often just a single rambling paragraph, a blow-by-blow of appearance recaps, caused by editors just appending a sentence when a new incidence occurs. I like to break those up into paragraphs and add headers so articles can describe the subject more clearly.
	*Add headers and sub-bullets		*Add headers and sub-bullets
-	**Wiki formatting lets us use headers, so I say ~~use 'em~~! Navigability and readability is nice to have.	+	**Wiki formatting lets us use headers, so [[diorama\|I say embrace it]]! Navigability and readability is nice to have.
	*Avoid over-reliance on in-universe rationale		*Avoid over-reliance on in-universe rationale
-	**It's fun to try and rationalize every inconsistency in a {{w\|Marvel No-Prize}} sort of way, but a lot of times the answer is just "the Brothers Chaps changed their minds"~~. Homestar didn't sell his old mushroom hut and move to a ''Peanuts''-y house, they just decided to change where the fictional character lived~~. Sometimes DVD commentaries are improvised jokes, not hard-set canon. It's a neat thinking exercise to try and rationalize Homsar as suffering from {{w\|receptive aphasia}}, but at the end of the day he's a cartoon man doing something that the writers thought would be funny and [[TVTropes:Main/MST3KMantra\|you should really just relax]].	+	**It's fun to try and rationalize every inconsistency in a {{w\|Marvel No-Prize}} sort of way, but a lot of times the answer is just "the Brothers Chaps made it up and then changed their minds". Sometimes DVD commentaries are improvised jokes, not hard-set canon. It's a neat thinking exercise to try and rationalize Homsar as suffering from {{w\|receptive aphasia}}, but at the end of the day he's a cartoon man doing something that the writers thought would be funny and [[TVTropes:Main/MST3KMantra\|you should really just relax]].
	**Reduce use of "Apparently"		**Reduce use of "Apparently"
	***Not to {{w\|User:Giraffedata/comprised of\|get all Giraffedata up in here}} but in the vast majority of cases such weasel-wordery can be avoided. It seems for years there was a trend to avoid being presumptuous, but it went too far to the point where tons of articles have annoyingly vague wording along the lines of "the Compy is presumably Strong Bad's computer, which he apparently uses to check emails". It's not a huge leap of logic to make the sort of assertions that are being elided; just drop the "apparently".		***Not to {{w\|User:Giraffedata/comprised of\|get all Giraffedata up in here}} but in the vast majority of cases such weasel-wordery can be avoided. It seems for years there was a trend to avoid being presumptuous, but it went too far to the point where tons of articles have annoyingly vague wording along the lines of "the Compy is presumably Strong Bad's computer, which he apparently uses to check emails". It's not a huge leap of logic to make the sort of assertions that are being elided; just drop the "apparently".

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	Things I disagree with Wiki consensus on but don't feel like fighting about. Don't feel obliged to make edits based on these on my behalf!		Things I disagree with Wiki consensus on but don't feel like fighting about. Don't feel obliged to make edits based on these on my behalf!
	*Transcribing Diamonocle's pronunciation of "Dangeresque"		*Transcribing Diamonocle's pronunciation of "Dangeresque"
-	**Writing his line from stunt double as "Danger-skew" may be phonetically correct but it does a poor job of illustrating the joke: that he's ~~breaking~~ "~~Dangeresque~~" up into the wrong syllables.	+	**Writing his line from stunt double as ''"Danger-skew"'' may be phonetically correct but it does a poor job of illustrating the joke: that he's saying "Dangeres/que" instead of "Danger/esque", breaking the word into the wrong syllables. The subtitles for the game write it as "Danger-sque", and sometimes I've used "Dangeres-queue", but neither of those are particularly good either.
-	~~***~~The subtitles for the game write it as "Danger-sque", and sometimes I've used "Dangeres-queue", but neither of those are particularly good either.	+
	**With the introduction of "Dagger Skew" on the Steam Trading Cards, I feel like "Danger-skew" has been 'canonized', as it were. Oh well!		**With the introduction of "Dagger Skew" on the Steam Trading Cards, I feel like "Danger-skew" has been 'canonized', as it were. Oh well!
-	*[[Sightings]] has outlived its usefulness and should be retired, locked as a historical archive	+	*[[Sightings]] {{--}} especially user-generated subsections like "skins" or "web" {{--}} has outlived its usefulness and should be retired, locked as a historical archive.
-	**In 2003, back in the days of webrings or banner links, learning that something referenced Homestar was novel and could lead to discovering a new time-wastin' site... twenty years later, a vast majority of the sites have link-rotted away and a new sighting is, like, "a youtuber said jorb". I think it has value as a historical artifact, but... what's the point? Is anyone going to scroll through the 190 Web Sightings, clicking all the way?	+	*In 2003, back in the days of webrings or banner links, learning that something referenced Homestar was novel and could lead to discovering a new time-wastin' site... twenty years later, a vast majority of the sites have link-rotted away and a new sighting is, like, "a youtuber said jorb". I think it has value as a historical artifact, but... what's the point? Is anyone going to scroll through the 190 Web Sightings, clicking all the way? When "Sightings" was created, sites like YouTube/Reddit/Twitter/Tumblr were a year or less old; nowadays if anyone's looking for HR fan creations (or sightings!) they're gonna just search those platforms, which are also more conducive to sharing links or images!
		+	**Incidentally, [[School Sightings]] might could fall afoul of [[HRWiki:Youth protection]]... even if a lot of them are universities there's an "encourage kids to say what school they go to" thing goin' on there.
	*Generally I favor fewer articles for one-off gags.		*Generally I favor fewer articles for one-off gags.
	**All of the "Decemberween Pageant" character articles could be deleted and merged into one of those tabled list pages.		**All of the "Decemberween Pageant" character articles could be deleted and merged into one of those tabled list pages.
	**I don't like a lot of the band articles where their only "appearance" is seeing an album cover in an easter egg but there's no musicians shown, songs named, or music heard. Why have an infobox if every field is "''[unknown]''"?		**I don't like a lot of the band articles where their only "appearance" is seeing an album cover in an easter egg but there's no musicians shown, songs named, or music heard. Why have an infobox if every field is "''[unknown]''"?
	**Get rid of the Tom Servo article, or at the very least merge it with MST3K. An unmoving silhouette sight gag does not a "character" make.		**Get rid of the Tom Servo article, or at the very least merge it with MST3K. An unmoving silhouette sight gag does not a "character" make.
-	*"Pizza trolls" in pizza joint is a reference to ''Logical Journey of the Zoombinis''	+	*"Pizza trolls" in pizza joint could be a reference to ''Logical Journey of the Zoombinis''
-	**I actually have greatly cooled on this over the years to the point where I think it's more '''un'''likely than likely. When I first joined the wiki (!!) I remember being annoyed that it had already been discussed and rejected before I could contribute, plus I had not encountered the slang term "troll" before.	+	**I actually have greatly cooled on this over the years to the point where I think it's more '''un'''likely than likely. When I first joined the wiki (!!) I remember being annoyed that [[[Talk:pizza_joint#Zoombinis\|it had already been discussed and rejected]] before I could contribute, plus I had not encountered {{w\|Troll (slang)\|the slang term "troll"}} before.<br/>'''FOR:''' (1) the phrase "pizza troll" is very distinctive and seems to have exclusively been used by the game at that point (2) TBC have previously referenced Brøderbund's Carmen Sandiego games (3) both Zoombinis and Virtual Pizz are pixelated computer games<br/>'''AGAINST:''' (1) the "trolls" look and act completely differently in VPdB and LJotZ (2) Zoombini's 1996 release date is a little late for TBC who primarily reference mid-80s/early-90s software; it's a children's game and by the time it came out in they were both in their twenties
-	~~***~~FOR: (1) the phrase "pizza troll" is very distinctive and seems to have exclusively been used by the game at that point (2) TBC have previously referenced Brøderbund's Carmen Sandiego games (3) both Zoombinis and Virtual Pizz are pixelated computer games	+
-	~~***~~AGAINST: (1) the "trolls" look and act completely differently in VPdB and LJotZ (2) Zoombini's 1996 release date is a little late for TBC who primarily reference mid-80s/early-90s software; it's a children's game and by the time it came out in they were both in their ~~20s~~	+

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