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-	== New quote/fanstuff/sketch of the week ==	+	''It has been [[HRWiki talk:Main page redesign|suggested]] that the Main Page be redesigned. Feel free to use [[HRWiki:Main page redesign|its project page]] for proposed redesigns.''
-	Just thought I should say so, since it seems I was the first one to notice.  I'm in a hurry or I would add the information to the articles.--[[User:Tally Solleni|Tally Solleni]] 22:24, 26 April 2007 (UTC)	+	== sbemail templates ==
		+	:''See [[Talk:Strong Bad Email#sbemail templates|Talk:Strong Bad Email → sbemail templates]]''
-	== Secret Collect ==	+	== Trogday decor ==
-	I seem to be noticed sooner here, so: Has anyone else noticed Secret Collect lately? It appears to have been fixed. --[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 20:49, 29 April 2007 (UTC)	+	Does the '''Featured content of the day (or whenever)''' template automatically switch to different links on certain days? Such as linking to [[dragon]], [[Trogday '08]] and other things when the time comes? Or is that done manually? Because tomorrow is Trogday. - [[User:HoveringSombrero|HoveringSombrero]] ([[User talk:HoveringSombrero|talk]]) [[File:Shoulder shoomps.png|23px]]
-	:Fixed? It was broken? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:53, 29 April 2007 (UTC)	+	:It's not automatic, but as you can see (at the time of this writing), the decorations were indeed put up to coincide with Trogday. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)
-	::By "fixed," I mean levels 1-14 have returned. --[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 18:03, 1 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	== Forum-Appropriate Topics ==	+	== How many references do you need? ==
-	I'm thinking of maybe removing all forum-appropriate topics from toons and emails and the like. Would this be a good idea, or is it just left best as it is? --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 21:45, 30 April 2007 (UTC)	+	How many references to a thing need to be on a page for the thing the page is about to become a real page? Just curious because my mock-up seinfeld page includes eight references to the titular show. The page on [[The Big Lebowski]] has the same amount of references... so do I just make a [[Seinfeld]] page now? ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 20:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	:done and done ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 20:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	::See our [[HRWiki:Inclusion guidelines|inclusion guidelines]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
-	:I wouldn't go through any previously existing posts looking for them — for example, a lot of them are leftover from days before we were so strict about this, and we'd like to keep those for historical reasons. But it would be great to keep an eye out for and remove any new posts that fit that category. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:48, 30 April 2007 (UTC)	+	== Songs archive ==
-	::Alright, that seems fair. Good thing I checked before I started, that could have been nasty. :P --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 21:49, 30 April 2007 (UTC)	+
-	:::Okay, cool. By the way, I assume you're talking about articles' talk pages, right? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:50, 30 April 2007 (UTC)	+	Would it be OK if I created a subpage to my user page with a complete archive of every existing song in the Homestar universe? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
-	::::Yes. The "Great email!" and "I think they're stalling!" topics. --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 21:51, 30 April 2007 (UTC)	+	:I'm pretty sure we [[Songs|have that covered]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	::Well, I was gonna add MP3 files with them, so people could download them and stuff. Is that still OK? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 00:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
		+	:::No, that's not what the user space is for. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
-	:::::Aha, yes. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:52, 30 April 2007 (UTC)	+	== dot dot dot ==
-	::::::In some extreme cases, we might remove a topic completely, but that's unusual. Normally we just ask people to stay on topic on the talk page and leave whatever discussion is already there in place. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:57, 30 April 2007 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::Yeah, good call — keeping the topics there with the suggestion to stay on topic rather than (removing them) helps prevent other people from starting the same topic again later on. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:02, 30 April 2007 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::''{written in reply to DC}'' I feel this is the better way to go about it. Remember, lots of people just don't understand the purpose of talk pages. A friendly note about how they're for discussing article content is a lot more newbie-friendly than removing it completely, especially when they may not understand why you would write an edit summary like "rm forum-style comment" or "take it to the forum". {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 22:04, 30 April 2007 (UTC)	+
-	== Did the quadratic formula explode? ==	+	Why come whenever I try to link to [[lady…ing]] and [[Cheat Commandos…O's]], the link is broken? Is it because of those ellipses? {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	:Sort of! "…" is different from "...", it's a single character rather than three periods. Try highlighting it and you can see. This is kind of like the difference between “curly quotes” and "straight quotes" - in both cases, the former is typically made via autocorrect in word processors or mobile keyboards, while the latter is preferred by the wiki. So while [[lady…ing]] and [[lady...ing]] may ''look'' the same, they are actually two different typed entries. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	::I've added redirects to fix the issue. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 23:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	:::Thanks! {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
-	I tried to go to this site 3 or 5 times last Sunday and it never worked.  Was the problem with the site or with my laptop? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 16:56, 1 May 2007 (UTC)	+	== Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual? ==
-	:I typed in the site myself, I Googled the site, I tried to enter the site through Wikipedia and none of those worked.  Did this happen to anyone else? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:59, 1 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	::The site was down for a bit. It's back now. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:05, 1 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	:uh oh. i think the same thing's happening on the Fanstuff Wiki. (waaah!!!!!!T-T)	+
-	{{User:Im a bell/sig}} 20:21, 12 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	::Hm, it works for me right now... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:23, 12 May 2007 (UTC)	+	[[Strong Bad Email]] has been in the sidebar for as long as I can remember, presumably because it was the most popular and most actively updated portion of the website. With the Twitter account handily outpacing both sbemails and "H*R.com updates" (not to mention the [[CGI Paper]] directing viewers to tweet rather than email), might it be worth adding it over there? I know I regularly find myself navigating to the [[@StrongBadActual]] page(s) to fill out "Fast Forward" sections of pages or to find dates when an item or project was mentioned. --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 20:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	:I agree (and I'm not going to do the whole "Don't you think I agree" part, this isn't [[E-mail Birds]], but it is bird season.), and I fully support putting it there. It's a handy page and we've put a lot of work into cataloging every post made by strong bad on twitter, with fun facts to boot! So consider this my '''SUPPORT'''. ----[[User:Jeffjman|J∃ffJ]][[User_talk:Jeffjman|Ma]][[Special:Contributions/Jeffjman|n]][[File:jeffjsigchrismas.png|23px]] 22:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
		+	::I also '''SUPPORT'''. {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	:::, So I '''SUPPORT''' this too, but I like having easy access to the Strong Bad Email page, considering I usually watch the sbemails by clicking on the external links. So, maybe we keep both? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)
		+	::::Maybe we link to it as <code><nowiki>[[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023|Twitter]]</nowiki></code> and put it above [[Strong Bad Email]] and underneath [[Special:RecentChanges|Recent changes]]? {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}}
		+	::::: GREAT IDEA! I like it! [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 18:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
-	== ?hrwiki_mwiki6_session=4e39526d2071ea0ffd15b2ecaedaa5f9 ==	+	== Editing user pages ==
-	I see this or something like this added to the URL whenever I use a link from my userpage or from the first page I visit when I access this site. What does it mean, and how can I prevent it? --[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 18:03, 1 May 2007 (UTC)	+	Alright, so, I've been thinking. The block log has a lot of "user banned for editing userpages of other users". So, the main page, for example, has a system so only sysops can edit it. What if we add a system to all user pages that basically makes it impossible for anybody but the user to edit it? [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 22:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)
-	:That happens sometimes. It's nothing to worry about. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:06, 1 May 2007 (UTC)	+	:The thing is, I feel sysops / admins / wiki bots should probably still be able to edit user pages. For example, an admin fixing a bug on the page or a bot auto-replacing a link. But I agree that no one else should edit other user pages. Or somehow make a system where users can choose who can edit the page. {{--}} {{User:HoveringSombrero/sig}} 18:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
		+	::We already have [[HRWiki:User space#Ownership and editing of pages in the user space|explicit guidelines]] on who can and should edit user pages. If a user page is edited for anything other than a legitimate reason, the edit typically gets quickly reverted. No harm done.  Anyone that might be banned in relation to user page edits is most likely doing it in a disruptive manner. In any case, the block logs mostly include bans for spamming.  There really is no compelling reason to add user page security settings or tools for this.  --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)
-	== Article Request ==	+	== Wiki availability ==
-	See [[Talk:Marzipan and Strong Sad's Relationship]]. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:20, 2 May 2007 (UTC)	+	For about the past week, I haven't been able to access the HRWiki, and downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently confirmed (and still does) that hrwiki.org is down. However, I see that plenty of edits have been made to the wiki in that time, so obviously it wasn't entirely down. Basically, I've been presented with a white screen that occasionally loaded the hills in the background and sometimes the Homestar logo in the top-left corner, and if I moved the mouse around the screen, it would recognize where links and drop-down menus were, but it wouldn't show me any text for the links and all. Any idea what may have happened/be happening? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 20:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)
-	== Licensing stuff ==	+	:Hey Knights.  Usually, when a big update is released, wiki activity jumps exponentially and typically the wiki reaction times can slow down to a crawl.  Pages still load but they take forever and one must be patient.  Eventually that goes away as edits taper down.  However, for a site like "downforeveryoneorjustme", their timeout is likely far shorter than regular browsers when reporting if a site is down.  In your particular case it seems that not all website elements are loading and some may be timing out and not loading at all.  I'd typically expect that behavior during peak edit times.  Hope this helps a tiny bit! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 06:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)
		+	::At some point I did see pages seemingly load but remain blank unless I interacted with the tab in some way, though that could have been a browser issue, it never really prevented me from accessing the wiki, and I haven't been experiencing it for a while. I've also had some "unable to connect" errors because sometimes when loading the wiki, it attempts to load an https URL. Most of the time, though, especially after a new release, it's been just slowdowns. {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
-	A discussion [[Talk:Georgia Tech - 26 Apr 2007#Use_of_intro_paragraphs_in_GT_Library_newsletter|over here]] got me thinking about licensing issues on the HRWiki. A few thoughts:	+	=== Still Slow ===
		+	It seems that the wiki hasn't fully recovered from its slowdowns back in August.  In the last couple of months I've come across the Job Queue and [[MW:Manual:Job queue|this mediawiki page]] detailing what it is and how it's supposed to function.  I get the impression that currently, all jobs on the wiki are running when a page is being requested. The page outlines a means by which the jobs can be run in the background (either via cron job or background process; I'd recommend the background process) and then the job run rate could be set to zero (so that pages aren't spending time running jobs while loading).  Is this something that is already in place or could this perhaps be implemented in order to improve overall performance even during busy periods? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 11:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
-	# We should "upgrade" our license to [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/3.0/ CC 3.0] (it even says we should on our [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/ current license's page]).	+	==glitch on the main pages ==
-	# We should make the [[HRWiki:General disclaimer|licensing info]] more prominent, say at the bottom of every page.	+
-	# We should make it clear on the editing page that by writing something, users are automatically licensing that content to the HRWiki, and that HRWiki will in turn distribute it under our CC license.	+
-	Copyright issues on a wiki can be very, very tricky, so I think we need to be as clear as possible about how we will license the content people contribute. Thoughts? <small>&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]</small> 15:53, 4 May 2007 (UTC)	+	Noticed a glitch on the main pages, done by holding the cursor on one of the buttons, and then moving away, and then moving your finger off the mouse. to see what this does and what I mean, refer to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM-NA0Rja4 [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
-	:As I have [[HRWiki_talk:Spoken_Articles#Legality_Issues|mentioned before]] (despite that project being abandoned) these licensing clarifications should extend to non-textual media such as original images and/or audio. (This might be even more applicable in the [[HRFWiki:|fanstuff wiki]]). Of course I don't think everyone would be willing to license their media that way, but most people I don't think would mind.  --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:37, 4 May 2007 (UTC)	+	:There's a whole page about this. [[Main Page Glitches]] {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)
-	::I strongly disagree with being required to license original images under a CC license. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:02, 4 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	== About the "what's new" section ==	+	== Why does the website still have the Halloween theme? ==
		+	Halloween ended 18 days ago, and so did October in general, so why does the website still have the Hallow's Eve theme? --{{User:Cy4nIsN0tB1u3/sig}} 04:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
		+	:Because we're still waiting for the annual Fan Costumes toon to close out the season, even if we have to wait [[Decomposing Pumpkins|days after Thanksgiving]]. Also, because the sysops in charge of changing the wiki settings are busy people with lives and tend to wait a while to get around to it. -- [[Special:Contributions/68.37.43.131|68.37.43.131]] 23:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)
-	I know it's really only for what's new to the official site, but what about public appearances? I just watched the Georgia Tech video (''awesomenessssss'') and was wondering if I've missed anything else... I don't really know what I'm trying to suggest here &mdash; a new section for recent public appearances (ex. Georgia Tech), side projects (ex. that They Might Be Giants video sample come readily to mind), etc.? &mdash; but I thought I'd just bring it up. Perhaps it'd be too small, what with these instances being far and few, but I'd still find something like that beneficial.... {{User:4kai2lyn6/sig}} 15:38, 5 May 2007 (UTC)	+	==New Fan Stumes’!==
-	:I don't know. We're all used to having What's New not being cluttered with TBC's public activities; it's really a site updates thing. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 16:05, 5 May 2007 (UTC)	+	The 2023 Fan Stumes has been released! And not only that, but my costume from last year is the very first Strong Bad costume! That counts as a fun fact, right? We should probably note that like how we note when a wikian sent a email. [[User:TMBGLOVER|I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too!]] 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)
-	::I don't think it'd be too cluttered, their appearances are pretty rare and spread out. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 16:14, 5 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	:::The [[H*R.com updates 2007|site updates]] page that the What's New section links to includes public appearances. We should at least be consistent in what we consider an "update". {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 16:27, 5 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	::::Fair enough. {{User:4kai2lyn6/sig}} 16:52, 5 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	== Image request ==	+	== Permafrosted logo? ==
-	Could someone '''please''' add a picture of Preshy holding a pitchfork to [[Lack of Visible Arms#Characters With No Visible Arms]]?  I already left a request in about March but no one responded. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 15:27, 7 May 2007 (UTC)	+	The Decemberween themed logo is still up, but December ended 11 days ago. The weirdest part in my opinion is that there's no d'ween themed colors despide icicles and Homestar's hat. Is there something we're waiting for, like a new not-Decemberween toon?
-	:That's plenty of time to have bought the DVD. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC)	+	Yours truly,
-	::Well if I did I don't have the proper software to put it on anyway. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 23:45, 7 May 2007 (UTC)	+	The guy who confused Dobbs for Daubs. {{unsigned|206.110.189.60|11 January 2024 16:34 (UTC)}}
-	:::I'm not allowed to buy DVDs online.  Stop loafing (not that I really think you've done nothing at all) and put the picture on the aticle if you have the DVD. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 01:58, 8 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	::::Well, if you're not uploading the picture yourself, then please don't hassle other editors who don't upload the picture either. Thanks.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 02:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	While I think it's unwise to pester others, I'd agree that such an image would be an asset to the wiki. I know I lack the software to produce that image, otherwise I'd have done so. Perhaps someone is able to. If not, there's little use in repeating the request. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:08, 8 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	:I'm working on obtaining such a screenshot. Just as soon as I install this DVD codec. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 08:06, 10 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	== Happy 7,000,000! ==	+	:I'm not an admin, but I'm assuming the style is simply for the winter season. Even though the Christmas lights have been taken down, it's still a chilly and snowy time of year for {{w|March equinox|at least another month and a half}}. (P.S. Even if you don't have an account, please sign your posts with four tildes: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) --{{User:Bleu Ninja/sig}} 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)
-	Happy 7,000,000th visit HRWiki! Happy [[Special:Statistics|7,000,000th]]! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:01, 7 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	:Rather, seven millionth visit Main Page. The wiki itself has had a grand total of 64,479,265 page views as of just a moment ago. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 07:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	== E-Mail notification ==	+	== Load times and potential solutions ==
-	I'm kinda a noob to wikis, so I wanted to ask, is there a way to get notified by e-mail when new toons or sbemails are added to the site?	+	The wiki's been crawling along like something funny that crawls along for about a year now. This hasn't been much more than a minor inconvenience on my end, but it comes up pretty frequently on [https://www.reddit.com/r/HomestarRunner/ the Homestar subreddit], with a concerning number saying they haven't been able to access it at all. [https://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/hrwiki.org downforeveryoneorjustme.com] consistently insists that the system is down. I don't know what the hosting situation is like, nor am I anything close to an expert on such things, so unfortunately I can't diagnose the issue... But, [[DNA Evidence|after <s>extensive</s> investigation]], I'm ready to release my findings.
		+	*[[Talk:Main Page#Still Slow]] {{--}} A few months ago, [[User:Stux|Stux]] proposed a solution involving MediaWiki's [[mw:Manual:Job queue|job queue]]. Seems like something worth looking into.
		+	*[https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/host-a-website-with-high-availability/ Host a Website with High Availability] {{--}} The wiki's web host Linode features a guide on how to host a website with high availability. I can understand at most seven words of this, and I'm not sure how well it applies to wikis, but it might be helpful to someone. (They also have guides for [https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/security/ssl/ enabling HTTPS], which improves security... Maybe performance too, but I've heard mixed things about that.)
		+	*[[Special:Version]] {{--}} The wiki is currently powered by MediaWiki 1.15, which released in 2011. Later versions have added collapsible elements, citation features, slideshow galleries, an optional visual editor interface, the ability to rename categories, and most relevant to this particular discussion, [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/ResourceLoader improved performance]. The current stable release is 1.41.
		+	*[[HRWiki:Donations]] {{--}} I just discovered that [[HRWiki:2011 Server Move|the wiki moved servers in 2011]] to cut back on expenses, which [[HRWiki talk:2011 Server Move#Slowness|apparently resulted in slower load times]] (at least initially, while settings were still being optimized). According to [[Special:Ledger]], there haven't been any donations since then (additionally, it still lists FellowSites hosting dues instead of the new host). I've seen multiple people offering to donate if they could, so if the more recent slowness is once again a financial issue, it might help to [https://www.paypal.com/us/cshelp/article/ts2067 get the donation links working again].
		+	*{{p|l=http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AListUsers&group=developer Special:ListUsers&group=developer}} {{--}} I have no way of knowing how actively people have been working on maintaining backend stuff, but I can see that of the six developers, only [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] and [[User:Tom|Tom]] have been editing consistently since 2016. I realize I'm asking quite a lot of two people at most, and I really don't want to be too demanding... so I can't help but wonder if my suggestions might seem more reasonable if there were more people responsible for backend maintenance. I'm not qualified for that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were active users with MediaWiki and/or web development experience. As much as I want this wiki to be accessible to more people, I really don't want anyone losing sleep over it.
		+	Anyway, sorry I can't offer more help than this, but I hope someone finds this stuff useful (and that I didn't get anything terribly wrong)! {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 01:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
		+	:Out of curiosity, I decided to use [[Special:Statistics]] and the WayBack Machine to calculate roughly how many people have been affected by the slow load times. After comparing the last seven months (from around the start of the slowdowns to now) to the seven months prior, I found that the average number of edits per day has decreased from 22 to 14, and the average number of active users has dropped from 27 to 17. That's a 37% decrease in ''both'' areas, leading me to believe they are linked by a common cause...
		+	:Unfortunately I couldn't figure out if that percentage corresponded to anything specific, like "37% of people use this certain type of Internet connection"... That information would tell me which people are having problems accessing the wiki, and from there I might be able to research a potential solution, assuming any of that works the way I think it does. Maybe I'll do an off-site poll somewhere, but I'd need to know what information would be most pertinent to ask... Would that be helpful at all? {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig}} 05:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)
-	If there isn't, someone should definately make that...	+	Wait a minute, it seems fine now. What happened? {{unsigned|71.195.40.33|08:25, November 15, 2024 (UTC)}}
-	[[User:70.130.169.155|70.130.169.155]]	+
-	:The closest thing that I'm aware of is this: if you [[Special:Userlogin|create an account]], one of the [[HRWiki:Why create an account?|benefits]] is that you can put pages in your watchlist and set up your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]] so that the wiki sends you an email whenever those pages are changed.	+	== Availability of the wiki over https ==
-	:So, shortly after new updates are added to homestarrunner.com, somebody on the wiki adds them to [[Template:whatsnew]] and [[H*R.com Updates 2007]]. If you have added one of those pages to your watchlist and set the "E-mail me when a page I'm watching is changed" option in your preferences, then you'll get an email about as soon as a new toon, sbemail, etc. has been released. That's probably the closest thing to the solution you're looking for.	+	Are there any plans to upgrade the wiki from http to https?
-		+	--{{User:UN_TACO/sig}} 00:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)
-	:Hope that helps, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:09, 15 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	::Question: Aren't there ways of setting up [[Wikipedia:RSS|RSS]] feeds of this site or [[homestarrunner.com]]? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:19, 15 May 2007 (UTC)	+
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-	== New Toon! ==	+
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-	... *sigh* ... [http://www.homestarrunner.com/DNA.html DNA Evidnce]...	+
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-	P.S. This is Tehleet, I just forgot to log in.	+
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-	== New Sbemail! ==	+
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-	[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail172.html]--[[User:Tehleet|Tehleet]] 19:36, 21 May 2007 (UTC)	+
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-	==Flash file listing?==	+
-	I just wondering (grammatical sic) - does anyone know where I can find a list of the H*R flash files?  It'd be a lot more convenient than hand-combing the articles to find the flash file URLs...and I kinda wanna have em for a project I'm doing now.  If anyone could let me know, I'd greatly appreciate it.{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 23:31, 22 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	:It's not up-to-date, but this should help you: [[User:Nerd42/List]].{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:37, 24 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	::Thanks much.  My website, the [http://www.freewebs.com/thehrnavigator Homestar Runner Navigator], has a function that transfers people to flash files, so I need to know which flash files don't match up with html files.{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 01:36, 25 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Discussion re:email senders ==	+
-		+
-	Would someone remind me where consensus was reached not to include facts about email senders in articles about said emails? It's been referenced a few times, but I don't recall one. Yes, I know there was a discussion at the now-defunct project page [[HRWiki:Emails from HRWiki Users]]. However, this was about deleting that page, not removing the facts from articles. So I'm curious where it was decided to remove the facts from the articles. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 20:49, 23 May 2007 (UTC)	+
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-	:My understanding is that while that page was decided to be deleted, we had no problem in keeping the senders on the respective emails' pages as long as there was indisputable or nearly indisputable evidence to confirm their authorship. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:05, 23 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	::The problem being, of course, that there is very little that would be indisputable evidence. You'll recall the fun we had some time back concocting fake screenshots "proving" how we sent in various classic emails. I actually did one where it was a legitimate screenshot - I just turned my computer's clock back a few years so it looked like it was an old email. If we are adding the senders of emails to the sbemail facts, it's a given that someone will fake their evidence to be listed. It's also inevitable that at some point two people will claim to have sent an email, each with equal evidence. Not listing what cannot be verified absolutely is the only way to maintain the integrity of the knowledge base.	+
-		+
-	::That said, if someone has an email they sent on their user page, and a week later it's the email in the toon, well, then we know. Should we note it then? That's a tougher question for me - my gut still says no, but the sender should note it on the user page for sure. But I can see where others can argue it belongs in the facts. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:31, 23 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	:::Tom vouched that there is strong evidence for Cessna Man's claim, and I have seen very convincing evidence for porple's. To clarify, though: my main issue here is: has it already been discussed that these should be removed? Twice today, people have said this is the case. If it hasn't ''yet'' been decided through consensus not to include them, we shouldn't be removing them.	+
-	:::On the other hand, there's no reason not to have discussion about removing them at this time if people feel they don't belong on wiki. We do have a pattern of having noted these facts in the past, though, so they shouldn't be removed until consensus is reached to do so. That's all I'm saying. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 21:35, 23 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	::::If we can adequately verify the claim, then I don't have a problem noting it (for example, my research into PlasticDiverGuy was satisfactory to convince me that his claim was legit). It's interesting trivia, just like most of the other fun facts. And if we're okay with explaining references in the names of senders, then why not point out who they are if they have wiki accounts? &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:11, 23 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	::::::Well, I'm not OK with explaining references in the names of senders, as we're supposed to be about documenting TBC's work. But opinions differ. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:34, 24 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	:::::My Opinion: If you're gonna send an e-mail, sign it with your HRWiki username. Then there will be absolutely no dispute, right? Anyway, I agree with Qermaq and It's Dot Com. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 22:21, 23 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	::::::That, unfortunately, doesn't solve the problem for people who didn't have accounts here prior to sending the email. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:18, 23 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::And as Trey and I seem, to me at least, to hold opposing viewpoints, I wonder what precisely you agree with overall. Wish you had said so at first. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:38, 24 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::Q, it seems you misunderstood the question. This is not about references in the senders' names, this is about whether we should identify the real-world senders of the emails or not.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:40, 24 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::No, I perfectly understood. IDC (and Trey, who I'm istakenly attributed his comment to) supports including the names of senders provided the proof is nearly "indisputable". I would rather not note senders, and have been rather clear about that. In fact, I recently voiced dissention to what Dot Com said. This is why I'm curious what SMB is agreeing with. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:11, 24 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::I think it's good to identify the real-world senders of emails, if we know for sure who they are. Their emails have become part of the Homestar Runner universe, and as such, it is only fair that we attribute them.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:48, 24 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Question ==	+
-		+
-	I know this is sort of an odd place to put it but I didn't want to post it on a sysop's talk page and I didn't really know where else to put it. Anyway, Is there a way to find out how many edits you've made without counting in your contributions? --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 23:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:There is such a tool, but the process is so server-intensive that it is only available to sysops. If you wish to know your edit count, you can email myself or another sysop and I'm sure that I or someone else would be happy to let you know. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:21, 23 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	::Well, if that's the case, I won't bother you, then. Thanks for letting me know, though. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 23:23, 23 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	:::Hey there, Super Martyo Brother &mdash; there's another way to count your edits, that's only a little more work. If you go to your {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&limit=2000&target=Super_Martyo_Brother contributions log}} (notice that I have edited the limit in the link so that it displays 2000 contributions), you can copy and paste the text from that page into Microsoft Word (other text editors would probably work as well). If you then go to "Tools/Word Count", it will tell you how many lines there are, which is the same as your number of contributions.  Hope this helps, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:05, 24 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Wanted not needed? ==	+
-		+
-	Sorry if this is just a dumb question, but what exactly is the point of [[Special:Wantedpages]]? It looks like we already have [[HRWiki:Autopipe/Autoredirect|Autoredirect]] for all those pages. Is that list necessary? &mdash; {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 20:35, 24 May 2007	+
-	:It tells what redlinks exist on the wiki. And if something appears there that should have an autopipe, it means that that redlink was there from before the autopipe era. Find the page (it will also have a redlink on the actual page) and click "edit" and then save without changing to make the system re-evaluate the links. This should remove them from that list, as well as removing the red link. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	::Um... now the question is if it's so easy, why isn't anyone taking care of it? <_< &mdash; {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 20:42, 24 May 2007	+
-	:::Cause we're all working on other stuff and don't really read that page. If you wanna do us all a huge favor and do some of it, feel free. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	::::Special:Wantedpages has been obsolete for, like, ever. There really exists no "wanted" page on this relatively small wiki, because if we need an article, we'll create one (and even when we don't need an article, we will create one). [[Special:Lonelypages]] is a good tool that can occasionally be used for wiki cleanup, as well as [[Special:Deadendpages]]. (A lot of Lonely Pages are TBD, so don't waste too much of your time with linking them in other articles unless they have a fighting chance of being accepted.) &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:02, 25 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	::::::Well, I find it odd that ''all'' the pages on [[Special:Lonelypages]] have {{[[Template:tbd|tbd]]}}. Just an observation. &mdash; {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 21:19, 24 May 2007	+
-	:::::::Yeah, but I just removed two lonely pages that were disambigs before I posted this. It's good to take an occasional look at that. It doesn't have to be done often. It's like [[HRW:SP]]. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:21, 25 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::Wow, I didn't know we had a page full of common misspellings. I seem to learn something new about this place every day :) &mdash; {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 21:40, 24 May 2005	+
-	:::::Maybe Dot Com can run the bot over that list and have them fixed? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:09, 25 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	::::::That's what I've been thinking. In fact, I was mindlessly reading about all the bots on this wiki when I came across [[User:The Cheatbot|The Cheatbot]], who is made by It's Dot Com. It was there that I learned that autopipe/autoredirect links even existed, and then I came to question the purpose of the Wantedpages list. &mdash; {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 21:19, 24 May 2007	+
-	:::::::Right, Special:Wantedpages has been practically useless since even ''I'' joined the wiki. Wikipedia has a much better system in place to sort their wanted pages, but they have both the need and manpower to get it accomplised. The need factor is important here. We're a small wiki, so we don't need Special:Wantedpages. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:28, 25 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::So the list can go? We have the autopipe system to reduce the chance that redlinks will be created, and ones that existed before autopipe should be found by The Cheatbot (right?). Makes sense. &mdash; {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 21:40, 24 May 2007	+
-		+
-	== The navbox promblem ==	+
-	I've noticed a major stnank with our navigation templates; they are all defined with the ID "navbox".  This can create potential problems when there are more than one on a page. How should this go about being rectified?{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 18:07, 25 May 2007 (UTC)	+
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-	:What pages use more than one navigation template?&nbsp;-- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:06, 26 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	::There aren't many, though any page that could fall under more than one category.  Examples are [[comic]] and [[Old Flash Stuff]].{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 23:01, 26 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	:::It would appear that [[what I want]] is also afflicted.{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 00:38, 27 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	::::Can't we just change the id in each template? It's not that they are actually being used anywhere, no? Am I missing something here?{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:45, 27 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	:::::Sure we can.  I was hoping there might be another suggestion, as changing them all is a pain.  Plus, you have to change the template, not just the page.  Which means we would have to change them all.  And I don't particularly want to let this drop.  I can't stand the sight of incorrect HTML.  It bugs me.{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 00:49, 27 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	::::::After some investigation, it appears that this problem cannot be fixed without changing the CSS in each page of the wiki.  The ID "navbox" is called by the CSS, which then creates a border around the table.  Without that ID, the CSS cannot create that border.  Thus, this problem cannot be rectified.  At least not without major headaches.{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 03:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::Probably the right thing to do would be to change it from <code>id="navbox"</code> to <code>class="navbox"</code>, and update the CSS accordingly... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:58, 28 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	::::::::That would likely rectify the problem, though keep in mind that we are not in a position to edit the CSS of any page, as it is all contained in a separate style sheet, which would be somewhere on the server that we couldn't edit and replace it.  No matter how many solutions there are, as long as all of them involve tampering with CSS, we have to rely on someone with access to the servers (probably Joey, though I don't know if he has the correct access to the servers).  Bagh.  I despise admitting defeat like this.{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 04:02, 28 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::::Hmm? It's right over [[MediaWiki:Common.css|there]]... anyone with sysop powers can edit it, we don't need server access... anyway, now that I look at it, the rule is already <code>#navbox, .navbox</code>, so the CSS doesn't need to be changed at all... it'll already work if we change the <code>id</code>s to <code>class</code>es. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 04:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Page creation request ==	+
-		+
-	Hi people. Since I don't have much time lately, here is a page I thought should exist: [[ASCII Art]]. It can include the e-marlin from dremail, the 1,000,000$ bill from an email I forgot, the ASCII movie from the movies and the Cheatware dist from from work. Please make it pretty, whoever you are. And also please mention that none of these arts can actually be recreated. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 03:49, 27 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	:Comin' right up. &mdash; {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 9:23, 27 May 2007	+
-	::Thanks dude! {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 03:42, 28 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== New Short! ==	+
-		+
-	http://www.homestarrunner.com/onetwo.html	+
-		+
-	Can anyone find the name? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 20:34, 28 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	:How exactly did you discover this?{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 20:42, 28 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	::Monday update. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 20:52, 28 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	:::Oval on main page. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 20:52, 28 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	::::Not on MY main page.  I still have the notice for [[more armies]].{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 21:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	:::::Well, sorry my friend. Try clearing the browser cache and reloading the page. Or buy a new computer without so much old stuff in it. Actually, the first one will be fine. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:10, 28 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	::::::I cleared my browser cache, yet I still get the notice for more armies.  The current day where I live is indeed Monday (memorial day) and the time is around 4:30 PM.  Any ideas?{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 21:27, 28 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-	:::::::Okay, after clearing my cache several more times, it showed up.{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 21:37, 28 May 2007 (UTC)	+
-		+
-	== Mixer? ==	+
-		+
-	The one two mixer should be featured on the main page. After all it was a seperate file.	+
-		+
-	:I disagree. The mixer is barely anything without the toon; they're also used in the same HTML file. &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 20:56, 29 May 2007 (UTC)	+

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Contents 1 sbemail templates 2 Trogday decor 3 How many references do you need? 4 Songs archive 5 dot dot dot 6 Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual? 7 Editing user pages 8 Wiki availability 8.1 Still Slow 9 glitch on the main pages 10 Why does the website still have the Halloween theme? 11 New Fan Stumes’! 12 Permafrosted logo? 13 Load times and potential solutions 14 Availability of the wiki over https

[edit] sbemail templates

See Talk:Strong Bad Email → sbemail templates

[edit] Trogday decor

Does the Featured content of the day (or whenever) template automatically switch to different links on certain days? Such as linking to dragon, Trogday '08 and other things when the time comes? Or is that done manually? Because tomorrow is Trogday. - HoveringSombrero (talk)

It's not automatic, but as you can see (at the time of this writing), the decorations were indeed put up to coincide with Trogday. — It's dot com 01:43, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

[edit] How many references do you need?

How many references to a thing need to be on a page for the thing the page is about to become a real page? Just curious because my mock-up seinfeld page includes eight references to the titular show. The page on The Big Lebowski has the same amount of references... so do I just make a Seinfeld page now? ----J∃ffJMan 20:13, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

done and done ----J∃ffJMan 20:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

See our inclusion guidelines. — It's dot com 21:02, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Songs archive

Would it be OK if I created a subpage to my user page with a complete archive of every existing song in the Homestar universe? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:28, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure we have that covered. — It's dot com 23:18, 22 February 2023 (UTC)

Well, I was gonna add MP3 files with them, so people could download them and stuff. Is that still OK? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 00:26, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

No, that's not what the user space is for. — It's dot com 00:43, 23 February 2023 (UTC)

[edit] dot dot dot

Why come whenever I try to link to lady…ing and Cheat Commandos…O's, the link is broken? Is it because of those ellipses? — HoveringSombrero (talk)

Sort of! "…" is different from "...", it's a single character rather than three periods. Try highlighting it and you can see. This is kind of like the difference between “curly quotes” and "straight quotes" - in both cases, the former is typically made via autocorrect in word processors or mobile keyboards, while the latter is preferred by the wiki. So while lady…ing and lady...ing may look the same, they are actually two different typed entries. -- Bleu Ninja 22:17, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

I've added redirects to fix the issue. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 23:06, 11 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! — HoveringSombrero (talk)

[edit] Navigation sidebar - adding @StrongBadActual?

Strong Bad Email has been in the sidebar for as long as I can remember, presumably because it was the most popular and most actively updated portion of the website. With the Twitter account handily outpacing both sbemails and "H*R.com updates" (not to mention the CGI Paper directing viewers to tweet rather than email), might it be worth adding it over there? I know I regularly find myself navigating to the @StrongBadActual page(s) to fill out "Fast Forward" sections of pages or to find dates when an item or project was mentioned. -- Bleu Ninja 20:16, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I agree (and I'm not going to do the whole "Don't you think I agree" part, this isn't E-mail Birds, but it is bird season.), and I fully support putting it there. It's a handy page and we've put a lot of work into cataloging every post made by strong bad on twitter, with fun facts to boot! So consider this my SUPPORT. ----J∃ffJMan 22:52, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I also SUPPORT. — HoveringSombrero (talk)

, So I SUPPORT this too, but I like having easy access to the Strong Bad Email page, considering I usually watch the sbemails by clicking on the external links. So, maybe we keep both? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:28, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Maybe we link to it as [[@StrongBadActual Tweets 2023|Twitter]] and put it above Strong Bad Email and underneath Recent changes? — HoveringSombrero (talk)

GREAT IDEA! I like it! I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 18:00, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Editing user pages

Alright, so, I've been thinking. The block log has a lot of "user banned for editing userpages of other users". So, the main page, for example, has a system so only sysops can edit it. What if we add a system to all user pages that basically makes it impossible for anybody but the user to edit it? I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 22:52, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

The thing is, I feel sysops / admins / wiki bots should probably still be able to edit user pages. For example, an admin fixing a bug on the page or a bot auto-replacing a link. But I agree that no one else should edit other user pages. Or somehow make a system where users can choose who can edit the page. — HoveringSombrero (talk) 18:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

We already have explicit guidelines on who can and should edit user pages. If a user page is edited for anything other than a legitimate reason, the edit typically gets quickly reverted. No harm done. Anyone that might be banned in relation to user page edits is most likely doing it in a disruptive manner. In any case, the block logs mostly include bans for spamming. There really is no compelling reason to add user page security settings or tools for this. --Stux 21:10, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Wiki availability

For about the past week, I haven't been able to access the HRWiki, and downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently confirmed (and still does) that hrwiki.org is down. However, I see that plenty of edits have been made to the wiki in that time, so obviously it wasn't entirely down. Basically, I've been presented with a white screen that occasionally loaded the hills in the background and sometimes the Homestar logo in the top-left corner, and if I moved the mouse around the screen, it would recognize where links and drop-down menus were, but it wouldn't show me any text for the links and all. Any idea what may have happened/be happening? The Knights Who Say Ni 20:32, 22 August 2023 (UTC)

Hey Knights. Usually, when a big update is released, wiki activity jumps exponentially and typically the wiki reaction times can slow down to a crawl. Pages still load but they take forever and one must be patient. Eventually that goes away as edits taper down. However, for a site like "downforeveryoneorjustme", their timeout is likely far shorter than regular browsers when reporting if a site is down. In your particular case it seems that not all website elements are loading and some may be timing out and not loading at all. I'd typically expect that behavior during peak edit times. Hope this helps a tiny bit! --Stux 06:05, 25 August 2023 (UTC)

At some point I did see pages seemingly load but remain blank unless I interacted with the tab in some way, though that could have been a browser issue, it never really prevented me from accessing the wiki, and I haven't been experiencing it for a while. I've also had some "unable to connect" errors because sometimes when loading the wiki, it attempts to load an https URL. Most of the time, though, especially after a new release, it's been just slowdowns. DEI DAT VM^┌_{datvm center}\^{super contra}_┘ 21:09, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Still Slow

It seems that the wiki hasn't fully recovered from its slowdowns back in August. In the last couple of months I've come across the Job Queue and this mediawiki page detailing what it is and how it's supposed to function. I get the impression that currently, all jobs on the wiki are running when a page is being requested. The page outlines a means by which the jobs can be run in the background (either via cron job or background process; I'd recommend the background process) and then the job run rate could be set to zero (so that pages aren't spending time running jobs while loading). Is this something that is already in place or could this perhaps be implemented in order to improve overall performance even during busy periods? --Stux 11:41, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

[edit] glitch on the main pages

Noticed a glitch on the main pages, done by holding the cursor on one of the buttons, and then moving away, and then moving your finger off the mouse. to see what this does and what I mean, refer to this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgM-NA0Rja4 I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 21:08, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

There's a whole page about this. Main Page Glitches Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 21:21, 26 August 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Why does the website still have the Halloween theme?

Halloween ended 18 days ago, and so did October in general, so why does the website still have the Hallow's Eve theme? --Cy4nIsN0tB1u3 04:33, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Because we're still waiting for the annual Fan Costumes toon to close out the season, even if we have to wait days after Thanksgiving. Also, because the sysops in charge of changing the wiki settings are busy people with lives and tend to wait a while to get around to it. -- 68.37.43.131 23:56, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

[edit] New Fan Stumes’!

The 2023 Fan Stumes has been released! And not only that, but my costume from last year is the very first Strong Bad costume! That counts as a fun fact, right? We should probably note that like how we note when a wikian sent a email. I wanna be the TMBGLOVER too! 17:12, 22 November 2023 (UTC)

[edit] Permafrosted logo?

The Decemberween themed logo is still up, but December ended 11 days ago. The weirdest part in my opinion is that there's no d'ween themed colors despide icicles and Homestar's hat. Is there something we're waiting for, like a new not-Decemberween toon? Yours truly, The guy who confused Dobbs for Daubs. — 206.110.189.60 (Talk | contribs) 11 January 2024 16:34 (UTC) (left unsigned)

I'm not an admin, but I'm assuming the style is simply for the winter season. Even though the Christmas lights have been taken down, it's still a chilly and snowy time of year for at least another month and a half. (P.S. Even if you don't have an account, please sign your posts with four tildes: ~~~~) -- Bleu Ninja 17:34, 11 January 2024 (UTC)

[edit] Load times and potential solutions

The wiki's been crawling along like something funny that crawls along for about a year now. This hasn't been much more than a minor inconvenience on my end, but it comes up pretty frequently on the Homestar subreddit, with a concerning number saying they haven't been able to access it at all. downforeveryoneorjustme.com consistently insists that the system is down. I don't know what the hosting situation is like, nor am I anything close to an expert on such things, so unfortunately I can't diagnose the issue... But, after extensive investigation, I'm ready to release my findings.

• Talk:Main Page#Still Slow — A few months ago, Stux proposed a solution involving MediaWiki's job queue. Seems like something worth looking into.
• Host a Website with High Availability — The wiki's web host Linode features a guide on how to host a website with high availability. I can understand at most seven words of this, and I'm not sure how well it applies to wikis, but it might be helpful to someone. (They also have guides for enabling HTTPS, which improves security... Maybe performance too, but I've heard mixed things about that.)
• Special:Version — The wiki is currently powered by MediaWiki 1.15, which released in 2011. Later versions have added collapsible elements, citation features, slideshow galleries, an optional visual editor interface, the ability to rename categories, and most relevant to this particular discussion, improved performance. The current stable release is 1.41.
• HRWiki:Donations — I just discovered that the wiki moved servers in 2011 to cut back on expenses, which apparently resulted in slower load times (at least initially, while settings were still being optimized). According to Special:Ledger, there haven't been any donations since then (additionally, it still lists FellowSites hosting dues instead of the new host). I've seen multiple people offering to donate if they could, so if the more recent slowness is once again a financial issue, it might help to get the donation links working again.
• Special:ListUsers&group=developer — I have no way of knowing how actively people have been working on maintaining backend stuff, but I can see that of the six developers, only It's dot com and Tom have been editing consistently since 2016. I realize I'm asking quite a lot of two people at most, and I really don't want to be too demanding... so I can't help but wonder if my suggestions might seem more reasonable if there were more people responsible for backend maintenance. I'm not qualified for that sort of thing, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were active users with MediaWiki and/or web development experience. As much as I want this wiki to be accessible to more people, I really don't want anyone losing sleep over it.

Anyway, sorry I can't offer more help than this, but I hope someone finds this stuff useful (and that I didn't get anything terribly wrong)! Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 01:06, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Out of curiosity, I decided to use Special:Statistics and the WayBack Machine to calculate roughly how many people have been affected by the slow load times. After comparing the last seven months (from around the start of the slowdowns to now) to the seven months prior, I found that the average number of edits per day has decreased from 22 to 14, and the average number of active users has dropped from 27 to 17. That's a 37% decrease in both areas, leading me to believe they are linked by a common cause...

Unfortunately I couldn't figure out if that percentage corresponded to anything specific, like "37% of people use this certain type of Internet connection"... That information would tell me which people are having problems accessing the wiki, and from there I might be able to research a potential solution, assuming any of that works the way I think it does. Maybe I'll do an off-site poll somewhere, but I'd need to know what information would be most pertinent to ask... Would that be helpful at all? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 05:18, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Wait a minute, it seems fine now. What happened? — 71.195.40.33 (Talk | contribs) 08:25, November 15, 2024 (UTC) (left unsigned)

[edit] Availability of the wiki over https

Are there any plans to upgrade the wiki from http to https? --UN TACO 00:36, 22 May 2024 (UTC)