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User talk:Invisible Robot Fish

2006-01-28T05:18:02Z

Homsad: I read this somewheres...

== Just a heads up ==
Just so you know, the PlayStation ('95) came out a year before the Nintendo 64 ('96), not the other way around, and CERTAINLY not a four-year headstart. You sure you didn't mix it up with the SNES ('91)? Babbage's doesn't stock those anymore, either (much to my chagrin). --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 00:28, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==Sig==
Hey Invisible Robot Fish. I moved your signature template to the correct location. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:18, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
:It's me again. I removed some parentheses in the links that were also causing problems. Did you copy those from somewhere? If so, we need to edit that article to make it less ambiguous. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:10, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
::I'm in the process of editing my sig, I'm not sure what your refering about the parentheses. Is that on a diff page? I am editing things in my sig and playing around with it for the first time. --22:31, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
:::I'm talking about [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig&diff=178346&oldid=178345 this edit], where I took out the parentheses that were causing the links not to work. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:37, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
::::Thank you. I think I am getting the hang of it now. --{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 22:47, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::I think it's looking ''good''. Although, it is just a little bit long. Perhaps without the leading image? Just a thought. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:01, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::How bout now?{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:13, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::Still a bit too big, and the image is to tall, it takes up more than one line of text. Maybe shorten "contributions" or something? {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 23:16, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::Ok now I am set. comments anyone?{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:33, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::::I thought the Pac-Man was cool. If you just reduced it a little. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:33, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::::I'm at work so I don't have the software with me to make a smaller pic{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:35, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

== STUFF revisions ==

Hey Invisible Robot Fish again. You can only vote to accept ''one'' of the revisions on [[Template:STUFF/Strong_Bad_is_a_Bad_Guy#Good_Ol.27_Uncle_Sam|this fact]]. You need to decide which one you like best. Thanks. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:37, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
:Thanks, learning as I go. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:14, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
By the by, the tide has turned on [[Template:STUFF/bedtime story#The Holey Grill|this one]], if you want to give it another look-see. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:34, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::Thanks for the heads up, want my vote to count {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:19, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

== Interesting ==

Hey Invisible Robot Fish again again. I like Christian rock music too; the old-school Muppets are awesome; aviation is fascinating; and my dream job would be to be an MLB umpire. For reals. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 12:37, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
::You know some of the bands I like. I fly a Cecsna Skylane 182 RG. Although I want to get eventually get instrument rated and multi-engine so that I can get a Piper Saratoga. I also want to get Raytheon King Air in the next 10 years.
::I officiate at high school Varsity and now Collegiate Level. I am aspiring to be a D1 college umpire. I had dreams of being a major league ump once, but that was short lived as I wasn't willing to pay the price of being in the minor for who knows how long just to maybe make it. Its a narrow door to get through. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:48, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

:::I like Christian rock also, Chris Tomlin probably being my favorite. Some others I like are Steven Curtis Chapman, Switchfoot (the less recent stuff) and some Jars of Clay songs (some of their music is just too slow for my liking). Oh, and in response to your thanks for the haikus: "No probalo!" [[User:Powered by The Kate|Powered by The Kate]] 22:54, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
::::Jars of Clay has been downhill since their first album, and they have been disapointing in concert. Chris Tomlin just flat out rocks, we do a lot of his songs at our church. Steven Curtis Chapman has a special place in my heart becuase his song, "I will be here" was the song that we had our first dance to at our wedding reception. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:04, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

== Show Preview ==

I noticed you've been playing with your userpage to figure out how all of the markup code works here. It's certianly the right place to do it, and you are more than welcome to, but I have one request. Right below the edit box is a botton called ''Show Preview''. You can click on it to show what the page will look like when you do save the changes, but it won't create an entry in [[Special:Recent Changes|Recent changes]], which can get flooded rather quickly if you save every edit without a preview. It just makes things a lot easier for everybody. Thanks, {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 12:41, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
:Will do. The page was loading differently in the ''Show Preview'', but I'll use that more. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:50, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

== Do you hate me? ==

Invisible Robot Fish, many of your edit summaries concerning my edits are a ''real'' kick in butt. What's the deal? --[[User:Sam Goldfish|Sam Goldfish]] 02:59, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
:One thing I have realized while being here is that there are a few trump cards in this wiki. It's Dot Com, JoeyDay, and Tom are a few. There was a series of times within a 10 minute period where you continually reverted edit that had already been fixed. I can't say that I have never done that. But as noted on your talk page, this wasn't the first time that you had been told not engage in a reverting war. I am one of many people that patroll recent changes, and it seemed that all I was doing for 20 minutes was changing things back that you had done (most of which, were corrected by Its Dot Com). If memory serves me correct, you were deleting whole sections and images that didn't need to be deleted (except one, I will grant that one of your deletions was in fact a good one). So yes, at that time, I was frustrated and wanted you to stop changing pages that were just fine. Wiki pages undergo intense scrutiny to I think a laughable level. So if you see a fun fact from a toon that aired 2 months ago, chances are, its a good one. Grammar and spelling changes are always welcome, but give more thought before you delete whole fun facts that have been there for months. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:15, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

== The Cheat's knife ==

That's not a fun fact candidate, so it doesn't belong on the STUFF page. I started a discussion [[Talk:bedtime_story#The_Cheat.27s_knife|here]] for you about the knife. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:51, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
:Noted, I didn't know where else to put that. Thank you. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:15, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

== Images ==

Hi, Invisible Robot Fish. Just so you know, you can only have one personal image on your userpage. You have at least 4 by now: [[:Image:Veggiepirates.jpeg]], [[:Image:Muppets.jpeg]], [[:Image:Ump.jpeg]], and [[:Image:Skylane.jpeg]]. You're going to have to choose one, and mark the others for deletion. Thanks. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:grumble grumble. Gimme a minute to think. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}}
::"We are the Pirates Who Don't Do Anything. We just stay home and lie around! And if you ask us to do anything, we'll just tell you: 'We don't do anything.'" I really like your pictures, and I really hope that ump was about to toss the Twins' manager. It's too bad that we can all each only have one on our [[hRWiki:User space|pages]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:06, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
:::No he didn't get tossed, I was looking for an ejection pic but I couldn't find a good one.{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}}
::::I see you've chosen the VeggieTales pic. I'll take care of the others for you. Thanks for your cooperation and understanding. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:13, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::I was looking on the help pages and couldn't find instructions to delete an image. Where is that help info located? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 17:14, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::It's just like any other page. Just go to the edit tab and add <nowiki>{{delete|personal image}}</nowiki> to the unwanted images. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Question ==

Hey there you seem like a experiaentes user so can you give me step by step instructions on how to get thouse cool signatures? PLEASE!
:Everything I learned, I got from the Help section on your right hand side. Follow the instructions under 'signature' **tip** when practicing, use your userpage and the show preview button. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 20:33, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

==History==

Hello IRF. I was reading your userpage, and I noticed that you have apparently been around H*R for quite some time, perhaps one of the longest on the whole Wiki. Which got me thinking. Just how long have you been around, and how much do you remember about the pre-2002 era of H*R.com (the point where Live Journals runs dry as source info for [[H*R.com updates 2001]]). I look forward to hearing from you. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:12, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
:I can't remember when I discovered the wiki. I was a big Homestar fan starting about the end of high school, to my freshman year in college which was 1999 or 2000 (wow that was 3 computers ago!). I don't remember when I discovered the wiki but I know that I kicked around here for a LONG time before I actually got a username and starting contributing. As to what was on the site at that time, your asking me to invade memories that have long been washing away by many long nights at O'Sullivan's Wharf (Sully's we called it) in Norfolk, VA. I really don't remember. I do remember when 'Search for the Yello Dello' came out. Can you imagine a H*R world in which we didn't yet know that Coach Z couldn't say the word job?!?!
:{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:39, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
::Wow.. And I thought that the fact the I remember [[japanese cartoon]] comming out makes ''me'' an old fan. Way to go! {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:32, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
:::That's impressive. I only jumped on the bandwagon about the time [[labor day]] came out ([[suntan]] was the very first thing I saw, even before the main page or anything. My cousin sent me a link while chatting on MSN with me). Although I'm not sure if it was quite 1999 when you first found it, H*R.com started January 1st 2000. I guess you probably found it mid to end 2000. You remember before there were [[Strong Bad Emails]] I assume. I am curious though, do you remember how you first found it? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:18, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Hmmm, there were definately a few emails, so perhaps my timeline is off, but I went to college in 2000 and it was a friend of mine that showed me it. H*R was a cult thing (in a good way) on our hall (which was really cool since no one else knew about it yet). We'd cruise the site, d/l from napster (still legal then) and then play either ''Motorcross'' through the LAN or ''You don't know jack''. Ah college was certainly worth the 100 Grand I blew on it. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 21:32, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::Hmmm... Quite a quandry then. Sounds like it must have been sometime in 2002 then, since the begining of [[H*R.com updates 2002|2002]] had a total of 8 [[Strong Bad Email]]s. That was right around when the site started regular, without fail, weekly updates, it seems. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 23:12, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::The emails were not regular yet. In 2002 I was a junior **cough cough 2nd sophamore year cough cough** so I know it was way before that. When did Yellow Dello come out? Because it was around then. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:17, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::The original, or the DVD? The DVD was possible [[Talk:H*R.com updates 2001#C. March 31st, 2001|Circa March 31st, 2001]]. See [http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?12243 here] for why we think this to possibly be the case. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:00, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::I remember knowing about H*R (not being really a fan then) before I graduated college (pre-2002). And I remember watching [[guitar]] sometime around then (before or after? not sure, I might have really old logs I can check). But for a while, I kept thinking I knew about SBE's a while before I graduated. Of course the timelines don't match "mine" so I dunno. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:25, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::Did many people even know about DVD's in 2001? I'm thinking it was the original purely because I do also remember seeing the DVD version for the first time and thinking that having all the commentary and such was a novel idea. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 17:06, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

== My Cousin Vinny ==

Just curious whether you mean that good, bad, or indifferent, and whether it applies to everybody in general or someone in particular. ;) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:47, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:Genreal, humurous, non-jaded comment, directed usually at new or non-logged in people. Just a general comment that sometimes something completely fine and correct will be posted, as someone will come along and ''rv'' {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:06, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::The reason I ask is that there's this anonny who keeps making lots of changes to several pages. Some of his edits are good, and some are not. Occasionally we'll go through all his changes and keep the ones that should stay and revert the ones that shouldn't, but lately it has been so much trouble that often the whole page gets reverted. That's not a very elegant solution, but he has ignored repeated attempts at communication by several users via his talk page. We have asked him either to stop what he's doing or, at the very least, explain himself, but we are met with silence. *sigh* — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:11, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Is it a certain annonymous person that also started a topic a few sections above about this? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:50, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

== PNGs ==

Actually, why are you uploading GIFs? Our [[HRWiki:Image_use_policy|image policy]] states that PNGs should be used if at all possible. The GIF format doesn't even support 24-bit color. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:47, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
:Unless you are at computer that has Macromedia Fireworks (a $500 program) or another program that makes PNG's this it is not possible to get a PNG. So you must ask yourself this question: Which is better, to have less content and edits from someone that cannot make a PNG file, or to put up a GIF for now, and have someone replace it later? BTW I am aware of the image policy.{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 17:54, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
::What platform are you on? I know that even the most basic programs on both Windows (Paint) and Mac (Preview) support the PNG format. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:03, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Sweet mother of mystery! I didn't know ''Paint'' had PNG. My apologies. I just always thought of ''Paint'' as a dumb program that did BMPs. Plus TBC constatntly rag on it so I never bothered to use it. My other computer has Macromedia Studio and that is what I am used to but I never go to the wiki from that comp. From now on, I'll use PNG. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:07, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Cool. :) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
:::::FYI: From those of us poor enough to have to use Open Source... I do my PNG's using [http://www.gimp.org/ The GIMP] Photoshop clone. It has pretty much all the features at (1/∞) times the price :). Some little things here and there are not as easy to do and take a little getting used to, but you certainly can't beat the price! ''(P.S. I know 1/∞ is undefined, but if you take the limn → ∞(1/n) then we have the desired number ;) )'' --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:57, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Hey do you have the original BMP for [[:Image:Stromg_mad_rd.gif|this]] picture? I was about to convert the GIF to PNG but it might be better to take the original BMP and convert that to PNG. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:06, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
:Already done {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:43, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

== Pre-Calc 101 ==

(I Split up the conversation as the subject changed){{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}}

actually I thought the limn → ∞(1/n)=0 
:if my calculous memories are correct limn → 0;(1/n) would be undefined. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 22:32, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
::Dude that's awesome! Another fellow math geek! And thanks for the pretty math text :) As for to answer your comments: ''I thought the limn → ∞(1/n)=0 '' it is! That's how much the software costs: $0! And I thought about ''limn → 0;(1/n) would be undefined''... actually 1/0 is undefined, but here, the limn → 0;(1/n)=∞, if my memory serves me right.--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 22:41, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
:::I always use practical examples:
::::limn → ∞(1/n) = 0
:::::1/999999 = .000001 or 0
::::::limn → 0(1/n) = undefined
:::::because 1/0 deviding by zero is undefined. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 22:48, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::[[Image:1overn.PNG]] 
:::::::limn → 0+ (1/n) = +∞
:::::::limn → 0- (1/n) = -∞
:::::::limn → 0 (1/n) = undefined {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:13, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::As the graph there shows, as ''n'' approaches 0 (from a positive direction), 1/''n'' gets closer to (positive) infinity. The limit, therefore, is infinity. The [[Wikipedia:Division_by_zero#Limits_and_division_by_zero|Wikipedia article]] states that the expression 1/0 is still technically undefined, because infinity is not a real number, but the ''limit'' is defined. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:28, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::Or is that what you were saying? I'm not sure what that third line under the graph is. Is it that if you don't specify a direction then you can't tell whether it should be positive or negative, and therefore undefined? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
::::::::::Cool, group participation. Exactly, the notation above states is that as you approach zero from the right or 0+the limit is +∞ but when you approach 0 from from the left or 0- the limit is -∞. Since you can't discuss both limits at the same time in a meaningful way, when you siimply state limn → 0 (1/n) there is no answer, or undefined. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:41, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::::Hmmmm. I should've known better than that (I did actually study the stuff you know). I have the urge to go back and fix the mistake and pretended it never happened, but Alas... It would make even less sense if I do. So yes, I should've written limn → 0+ (1/n) = +∞. 0+ more specifically means approaching from the positive to that number, and 0- approaching from the negative to that number (we can generalize it to any number). In fact... and this one *should* be correct... limn → a f(n) exists if and only if limn → a+ f(n) = limn → a- f(n) (and of course they both exist). This is exactly what you showed above in the graph. It is a very obvious definition, but it is defined nonetheless. Somewhere; not sure where. The [[Wikipedia:Limit_%28mathematics%29#Formal_definition|formal definition]] of the limit says something totally different from what I just mentioned and is actually a different beast using epsilon-delta notation which takes a while to understand. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 00:31, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

== About "Black Mountain" ==

About the Monte Verde revert you just did. I don't think the Monte Verde is a valid reference since there ARE things named Monte Negro. If such things didn't exist I wouldn't have deleted it. (And yes, I knew negro and verde meant "black" and "green" in Spanish--[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
:I don't care all that much about that one. I thought that most of those fact were not great. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:34, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

==Flag Intro Link==
I hope I don't come off sounding rude but, about [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Flag_Intro&oldid=192953 this edit] and its ensuing revert war: That edit is actually better. Just to let you know, the link you kept reverting to is 404'D. The anony was fixing it to a valid link on a mirror that happens to NOT be unknown. I'll remove him/her from the WikiTroll list for you. Keep up the good work, but next time, don't be quick to revert. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 23:54, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

:Um, it's ''not'' 404'd. It works just fine. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:56, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Lemme check again {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 23:57, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

:wasn't 404'd for me, but point taken. I've had a bad day and made some quick decisions, so no more editing for me today {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 00:00, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

[http://www.homestarrunner.com/flagintro.swf This file]? I'm STILL getting 404'd there. Cleared the cache and everything.

:When I click on the that link there, I see Old Glory waving and Homestar running, and I hear "Everybody, everybody"... I was going to suggest a hard refresh, but it looks like you've already done that. Strange. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:06, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

::I got to see it too! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 00:13, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
:::It's always shown up for me too, which is why I've reset it a couple times. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::However, it is still strange that so many people are encountering 404's. (As it stands I can't think of a rational explanation for it.) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 00:23, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::The top of [[Secret Pages]] says that sometimes they don't work, but it doesn't say why. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:28, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::404'd for me too... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 00:40, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::FYI before I forget, I added the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Flag_Intro&diff=193115&oldid=193058 second link] as a temporary solution and compromise to the problem. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 00:44, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

Whew, we got it all straightened out. I'm glad. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 00:46, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
:I'm glad too {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:59, 8 November 2005 (UTC)

== Wow! ==

You made [[What are you supposed to be?]] Cool! That is my favorite obscure page ever. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:Thank you very much *wipes tear* but when I saw the Wow title, I though this was going to have something to do with Willy on Wheels (WoW){{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:53, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
::Same. It freaks me out whenever I see it. Hence my rushing over here to find nothing but a congradulatory message. Good job, IRF. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:55, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

== cleanup ==

You might want to delete [[:Image:Mylook.gif|this]] too... that is unless you still need it, which is why I didn't mark it myself. (And to respond to your thank you note... you are welcome! It was my pleasure! Though I can prolly make them borders look a little better.)--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:23, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
:Go for it {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:45, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

== 11/10/05 !?! ==

Can a sysop fill me in on what in the world happened on Thursday. It seemed that the whole server is down and now annonymous editing and new registration is gone. What happened? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:52, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

:Frankly, IRF, we were hit by the same troll we recently had in bot form. He created several hundreds of usernames, [[HRWiki:NSMC vandal]], and took quite a bit of time to recover from. New user registration and annonymous editing are both disabled to cease further troll activity for the moment. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:58, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
::I've got a couple of questions and if they already been address, then please provide the link, but
:::*did the bot cause the server shutdown, or was the shutdown to stop the bot?
:::*was there any data lost or were we able to completely recover?
:::*what can be done to ensure that we can have both annonymous contributions and new registrations, but not be victim to this again?
:::{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 14:48, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Hi IRF, see: [[Talk:Main_Page#What_Happened.3F]] and [[HRWiki:Da_Basement#Suggestions]]. Data wasn't lost there were just tons of pages to revert. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 23:04, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

== Splitting Nicknames ==

Hey there. I was helping with the nickname-splitting effort on [[Nicknames]], but people are asking on the talk page as to why these are being split. Sounds like the consensus is that we should put them back the way they were. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:05, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
:I'd say far from a consensus. It's just 3 people, and although I respect dot com's opinion a lot, it looks terrible right now. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:29, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
If we're going to put them in categories, then we're grouping the nicknames by the type of toon they come from. We should take the next step in keeping them actually grouped by toon as well. Chronological order makes the most sense therefore. Either way, please at least reply to my comments on the talk page there before taking the trouble to alphabetize them. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:35, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
:Timing...I started making changes before you even put the comments there, and then after I spent about 10 minutes working on it I saw what you said and it made sense. You should know by now that I don't just ignore people's comments, and since there is not instant messaging here I didn't know about your post until I finished my edit. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 00:30, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
::Oh, I never thought you were ignoring anyone. :) But I did want to leave you a message so that, depending on how the discussion went, you wouldn't go to a lot of unnecessary trouble. Just curious, why did you pick ''reverse'' chronological order? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:36, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
:::I don't think you should use ''reverse'' chronological order or chronological order... but rather [[Wikipedia:Reverse Polish notation|''Reverse'' Polish notation]], it's even better than regular old [[Wikipedia:Polish notation|Polish notation]]! I need to go home. And sleep. BTW your reorganization is looking good! Looking real nice ere.. reeeal nice! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 00:53, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Just following the example of [[Toons| Toons menu]], [[Strong_Bad_Email#Strong_Bad_Emails| Strong Bad Emails]], and [[Fourth Wall Breaks]], which all are listed order from most recent to oldest. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:41, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
::::And Stux, you need to move that non-sense to another section. We already have a pre-calc section here, that would be Calc 2 *ahh nightmares nightmare* ...must...erase...memories...of...polar...coordinates. J/K Stux but it only took me only 3 tries to pass my second semester of Calculous in college. I just flat out gave up once we got to Diffy Q's. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:48, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Invisible_Robot_Fish&diff=200758&oldid=200325 Good morning!] LOL! Actually, RPN and Polish Notation would be more of a [[Wikipedia:Infix notation|computer sciency thing]] (I even used to have a nifty [[Wikipedia:HP calculators|HP calculator]] a long time ago, but it got stolen; now I have a TI-85). So hopefully it won't make you shudder as much ;). Ah! Diffy Q's... yes... I think I passed that class... and learned much! I remember almost nothing from it though. At least I know I took it :). --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 15:27, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::Still Shudder, I was a computer engineering major a one point. I still enjoy making a simple programs which makes non-computer science people really impressed. My favorite program that I wrote was a programs that encrypted text so that you could email it in coded form to the person that had the unscrambler. One day I hope to find someone in the FBI or CIA and see how long it takes to crack. Its relatively simple but designed to leave little to no pattern to back solve from. I had a TI-85 many moons ago, but I wanted to TI-89 that did diffy q's. I don't do much coding anymore but I can usually look at code and kind know what is going on. I learned mostly in C++. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 15:43, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

== Random ==

Sorry, I didn't realize that I could do that. I didn't even know that I'd actually done anything involving the removal of my sig. My bad. Sorry. --[[User:Homsarroks|Homsarroks]] 23:39, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
:Its all good...or it's all good. I CAN NEVER REMEMBER THAT STUPID RULE! {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:05, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

== You have NEW message !?!?! **please read** ==

Near the top of my browser I see the following:
<div style="background:#FFCC66; padding:8px;">'''You have New Messages</div>'''

and it never goes away or changes, even when I don't have new messages. Is there a reason for that. I checked preferences and didn't see a setting for it. I'm confused. I've ignored it for awhile but now its just annoying. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:09, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
:Yeah, this has been a problem since the upgrade. You have to unwatch your talk page, I think. There's more detail somewhere else, but I forget where. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::That's right. Any time anybody (including yourself) makes a change to this page, you'll need to unwatch it to make the notice go away. Besides here on the wiki, this bug has been reported at [http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3805 bugzilla]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:15, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Thank you. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:23, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
::::This happened to me too, and I unwatched my talk page and watched again. Ever since I did that, it goes away after I click it once. --{{User:Salty/sig}} 23:58, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

== Strong Bad's Rhythym and Grammar Awards ==

Hey, IRF. Hate to be a bother... But I'd just like to point out that your new award misspells "grammar". It's slightly ironic, if you think about it. Anyways, I just thought to tell you. Not saying you have to fix it, just pointing it out. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! **hangs head in shame** That's not quite as bad as when I made a big huge banner for a celebration for a friend of mine and mispelled ''congratulations''... and now you all know. Spelling is not my forte` and this is a prime example...but it would be funny if I did it on purpose {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 22:01, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
::I'm willing to pretend it didn't happen if you do. <nowiki>*wink*</nowiki> --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== One of the Haiku's ==

Hi IRF! How cool is it that you were inspired to make an entire section of Haiku's in your page!? Anyway FYI i wanted to make it clear that the Strong Bad Haiku you quoted as being "mine" is in fact the haiku that's said by Strong Bad in Email #57, [[japanese cartoon]] and I credited as such in my page. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:53, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
:Corrected, thanks {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 17:02, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

== dangeresque 3 reversion ==

C'mon man, a total reversion? I understand deleting the Bullitt reference, but at least re-include my remark somewhere else. Please? I worked hard on how to phrase that.

Thanks for reading this far.
-{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}}
:Your fact was as follows
<pre>
*Since "Dangeresque 1: Dangeresque too?" was (suppoosedly) made prior to
"Dangeresque 2:This time it's not Dangeresque 1" it has appears to have a slightly smaller
budget. Examples include the non-instrumental music and poor editing throughout.</pre>

The word '''Since''' implies that the following part has something to do with the earlier. Being a sequal has nothing to do with a budget. Further, it's a cartoon...there is no budget. It's a cartoon made up by SB. It's done in a cheasy 70's style with props that SB made, much like Space program. This is like saying that "The SBASAF must have a low budget because the ship is just made out of cardboard. It's just a backyard fantasy.

Sorry that you spent time on it but I just don't think it was a valid fact. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:07, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

::Maybe I just need claryfication on something. Are we writing this information as though the world of Homestar Runner is "real" or just as a webshow? Reason being I seem to find examples of each. Second, most movies sequels '''DO''' have a larger budget than the original film (Exapmles include Star Wars, The Matrix, Jaws, etc.). Finally, perhaps my "fact" should be revised and maybe put into the trivia section. The main reason I wrote about the budget was to justify the instrumental music in Dangeresque 2, and the fact that there are no flubbed lines in it. However, since we only see action clips, maybe we just weren't shown any.

::Thanks again
::-{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}}

:::The style is consistant with most other H*R productions. Most of the things these characters do appear homemade. Just the same as [[theme_park]], [[space_program]], [[pizzaz]], [[monument]], [[stunt_double]], [[local_news]] and the character videos. I don't think that poor quality is notable because that is just the way they are. As for how we view them, I'm not sure. I think that borders on a philiosphical arguement but since Bubs used to be able to fly, the paper can interact with things and the wagon fulla pancakes is going to for the champeenship, it can't be taken that seriously. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:34, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

== Images needing replacement ==

Just to let you know, three images on your user page are currently pending deletion. They are:

*'''Image:Games menu level1.gif'''
*'''Image:Games menu level2.gif'''
*'''Image:Games menu level3.gif'''

However, if you want to, you can replace them with:

*'''Image:Gamesmenulvl1.PNG'''
*'''Image:Gamesmenulvl2.PNG'''
*'''Image:Gamesmenulvl3.PNG'''

{{User:The Chort/sig}} 20:58, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:I don't know how to read that timestamp but I did that awhile ago. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:46, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

== Page in progress ==

I was already on that page when you put up the "in progress" notice, so the version I had didn't have it at the top. Sorry if you got an edit conflict. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:45, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
:P.S. The Bored buttons probably need ths same treatment as the NavBar, but I'll wait till your done. Or maybe I'll get distracted and forget. One of the two. :) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
::done now {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:11, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
:::also, I am still wondering what the difference between <nowiki> {{inprogress}} and {{pageinprogress}}</nowiki> and when each should be used. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:16, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
::::<nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:inprogress|inprogress]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki> is just for sections of pages, (its text specifically mentions that the current section is in progress), while <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:pageinprogress|pageinprogress]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki> states that the entire page is in progress. Took me a bit too. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 02:19, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

== Picture source inquiry ==

Hi IRF! What's up? Anyway I wanted to ask you if you knew the source Toon or Email for [[:Image:A history.PNG|this image]] that you uploaded? Thanks! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:52, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
:I started with a screenshot from [[other days]], [[The Chalkboard]] originally said ''This week<nowiki>:</nowiki> a pie in the face?'' So I left ''this week<nowiki>:</nowiki>'' and I already had the ''a,h,i,s,t,'' from that page. The ''o'' came from modifying the loop on the ''p'' from ''pie'', the ''r'' came from the lower half of ''h'' and the ''y'' was just made. I though about downloading the font chalkdust to do it better, but I saw that it wasn't free so I made do. Now my secrets are revealed. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:16, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
::Ohhhhh! Not bad! Not bad at all... could've fool me! Actually... you did as I thought it was just a plain old screenshot! Nice. Now to come up with something decent to write on the caption. Thanks! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 15:35, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

What about the "open" and "closed" images you've got? I'm trying to add appropriate copyright tags to most (if not all) of our images. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 15:51, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
:Those were thanks to a google image search, I'd have to find them again. And what's wrong with ''our proud heritage''? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 17:56, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
::The [http://starbulletin.com/1999/11/16/news/story1.html open image came from here] and the [http://www.angelfire.com/on3/Dillon/ closed image came from here (beware of pop-ups)] I hope I didn't do anything wrong. *gulp...copywright infringement laws* {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:02, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Thank you. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 22:00, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
::::You're welcome {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 22:21, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
Hey, IRF. How are ya? I'm pretty sure we don't have a fair use claim to the pictures of Matt and Mike Chapman, since they come from a copyrighted website outside of homestarrunner.com. I'm planning on deleting them soon. Thanks for understanding. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:03, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
:I'm a little fuzzy on the whole fair use thing but surely you can use a picture taken by someone else if credit is given right? I mean if I had a website and wanted a picture of the president after his discription, I would not have to wade to through secret service agents to do so, I'd just use a previously published photo. I have seen notes on articles outside the wiki that say 'phots courtesy of the associated press' or something like that. Your thoughts?
{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:05, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
:No, it doesn't quite work like that. We don't even have any real legal standing to use the images from homestarrunner.com (at least not as many as we do), but the Chaps, being nice guys, quietly let us get away with it because we are promoting their site and because we try to keep ourselves in check (by not reproducing whole works like [[Original Book]]). In ''this'' case, however, you have uploaded images that are not from h*r.com, but rather from a separate website, which has its own copyrights. Simply giving credit is not enough. You would need ''permission''. I need you to go ahead and remove them from your page. Thanks. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:21, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
::Done {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:53, 27 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Thanks. And you're right: They were cool pics. On an unrelated project I'm working on, I'm thinking of making my own picture of myself similar to the one of Matt with the frame behind him. They can copyright that particular image, but they can't copyright the ''idea''. ;) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:58, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

== Cool Tapes ==

I just now noticed your list of people thanks to the guestbook discussion. I don't sign a lot of guestbooks, but I have read your page and liked it - the haikus are apretty-pretty good :)

A haiku about you: 
Invisible fish 
Is possibly robotic 
Is it a mecha? 
{{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 19:28, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Awww, neat. No has ever wrote me a Hai-oo-ku before. Great to see you HRcoder, I haven't seen you around lately? Hows MIT treating you?
{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

:MIT is treating me like a kicked puppy that pays them rent every month. You know, the usual. How are you? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 19:40, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

::I remember the tooling days. Although my major required much less thinking. I'm still upset at the lack of Decemberween toon this year. But overall I'm good. I'm focussing on the important things right now like spending time with loved ones. *sigh* I will be spending the next week or so with my guestbook on its death bed. J/K I think that ''kicked puppy that pays them rent every month'' is just about the best description of college that I've ever heard. I am a 5th year senior now (not being a senior after 5 years of college but this will be the 5th year that I am a senior at ODU.) I'm thinking about going back now that the baby is getting a little older and the sleep patterns have, um... regularized. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:47, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Wow, college and a baby? How in the world do you do it? *kudos to you-dos* What is/was your major? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 19:50, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

::::college and baby haven't happened at the same time so far. I am a criminal justice major although I was a CPE major. I still webmaster and write an occational program in C++
::::{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 20:06, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::Ah, spiff. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 20:24, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::Spiff? Explain {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 20:52, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::::Same as spiffy or spifty. I say all three a lot. :) {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 21:05, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::::I am almost ready to roll out my latest website which was very much inspired by the layout of Joey Day's sites. I'll let you know when its up. The one program that I wrote that I am particularly proud of is a program that takes a text file and then encodes that text and garbles it up. The opposite person has the decoder program. I always wondered that if the NSA got ahold of the encoded text, would they be able to crack it. I have been coding since I was in junior high school. I bet that I (and the person I was send the notes to) was the only junior high school student to ever write notes in a cipher based on binary code. **singing in StrongBad fassion** Let the geekness flow, let the geekness flow ** {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 21:41, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::From what little I know about cryptology, and since I don't know what your encoding scheme looks like, I'd guess that very likely: yes, in a heartbeat. There are many methods out there to decrypt information based on statistical frequencies and the like, and that's just the tip of the iceberg. You learn fun stuff at a "Computer and Network Security" class. Which um, I shouldn't have skipped today. Oh did I just say that!? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:54, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
I'd like to see how quickly those functions could do it, because the cipher goes through many transformations. Although since I don't know any NSA people, I'll have to hold my breathe. First it take the first 3 digits, which correspondes to the Julian date(ie: 001 is Jan 1 and 365 is December 31). Then based on what date the code was made each character is equal to a certain number (ie on Jan 1 the letter "a" might equal 45 but on December 31 "a" might equal 2541). Then it takes the number such as 45 and turns it into binary code (45 becomes 101101). This eliminates all place value then all the 1's become a random consonant, and the 0's become a random vowel (101101 might become "degmat" or "vowqij") Then using a abridge dictionary file each letter becomes a word that ends in that letter ("degmat" might become "tire'''d''' her'''e''' tu'''g''' clim'''b''' plaz'''a''' too'''t'''). So in that example "tire here climb plaza toot" might equal the letter "a". This obviously makes for a long output file but the decoder didn't have any problem reversing the process. Also the date ie 001 remains at the top unchanged. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:47, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

== WARNING this in NOT a guestbook ==

{| class="messagebox" style="background-color: #ffffc0; text-align: center; border: 1px #f0f080 solid; font-size: 90%; color:darkred;" |
| style="border: 1px #f0f080 solid;" | '''<big>Legal Notice:</big> Guestbooks are prohibited in the wiki and will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Any depicitions contained herein that resemble guestbooks are purely coincidental.'''
|-
| style="border: 1px #f0f080 solid;" | '''Violators of this statute can face penalties including but not limited to being locked in the bath-tub on Decemberween, forced hugging of a tree, and hopping on one foot while singing the "I'm Just Me" song.'''
|} 

<big>'''Welcome to my process improvement database'''</big> 
 
In an ongoing effort to improve my userpage, I have implemented this process improvement database. Please tell me what you liked or disliked about my userpage and ways in which it can improved. Annonymous contributors cannot be considered so please sign your suggestion/comment. The following should be in no way confused with a guestbook:

{| border="5" cellspacing="2" cellpadding="10"
! Entry Number || Entered By || comment
|-
| 1
| {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:45, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
| Gah! A tabled guestbook? What blasphemy is this? Reply for TB: Um, I do believe I told you that this was a process improvement database...
|-
| 2
| — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:02, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
| Heh. You get points for being clever. I think that if guestbooks are eliminated (which, by the way, if something walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a [[Ducks|duck]]), you could rework this idea into something usable. You could probably take away the table and some of the other structure, but I don't see why you couldn't solicit to have people post comments about your user page here. So long as it doesn't become one of those ducks. ;) Talk atcha later.
|-
| 3
| {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:07, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
| no comment given
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| 4
| {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 16:06, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
| no comment given
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| 5
| [[User:NOT Billy Bob Bob|NOT Billy Bob Bob]] October 26 205 (UTC)
| no comment given
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| 6
| — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:34, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
| no comment given
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| 7
| {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}}
| no comment given
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| 8
| {{User:gwr2004/sig}} 21:14, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
| no comment given
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| 9
|{{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 15:21, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
| no comment given
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| 10
| -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 21:35, 30 October 2005 (UTC)
| no comment given
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| 11
| #[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]]
| no comment given
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| 12
| --{{User:Smileyface11945/sig}} 20:46, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
| no comment given
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| 13
| --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:53, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
| Before I forget and it gets to be too late: nice job with the SBEmails and adding the page title to '''''every single page'''''! O.o very impressive! I was gonna say this in haiku form, but I couldn't think of how. To start. Hmmm maybe next time. Oh! and BTW: 
I owe you a haiku 
remind me to write you one 
and I won't forget. 
|-
| 14
| {{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 23:58, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
| no comment given
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| 15
| {{User:pieinbubsface/sig}} 23:58, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
| no comment given
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| 16
| {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 07:42, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
| no comment given
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| 17
| [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 07:56, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
| no comment given
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| 18
| {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 00:33, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
| no comment given
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| 19
| {{User:bkmlb/sig}}13:03, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
| no comment given
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| 20
| {{User:Trey56/sig}}
| We like some of the same music...Rich Mullins, David Crowder, etc.!
|-
| 21
| --{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 23:40, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
| no comment given
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| 22
| {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:25, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
| no comment given
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| 23
| --{{User:Benol/sig}} 13:07, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
| no comment given
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| 24
| --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
| no comment given
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| 25
| --{{User:FireBird/sig}} 00:04, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
| no comment given
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| 26
| --{{User:Sir Strong Bad/sig}} 19:48, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
| Psst! By the way, sir! I believe you mean Homsar, not Homesar!
|-
| 27
| {{User:Joshua/sig}}
| no comment given
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| 28
| {{User:Kilroy/sig}} 19:36, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
| no comment given
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| 29
| {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 19:11, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
| no comment given
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| 30
| --{{User:The 386/sig}} 22:37, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
| no comment given
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| 31
| {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 09:36, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
| no comment given
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| 32
| {{User:The thing/sig}} 12:16, 18 Decemberween 2005 (UTC)
| no comment given
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| 33
| {{User:djm1791/sig}} 06:03, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
| no comment given
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| 34
| {{User:LePorello/sig}} 21:46, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
| Hi.
|-
| 35
| [[User:Powered by The Kate|Powered by The Kate]] 22:31, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
| Meh.
|-
| 36
| {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 00:25, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
| GOOD. GRAVY. There are more of these things? comment by IRF: more of what things, I think I'm the only one with a process improvement database.
|-
| 37
| [[User:Bluebry muffin|Bluebry muffin]] 20:46, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
| I'm a pretend guy who comes around and...Fruit tastes good.
|-
| 38
| [[User:TheGreatLogini|TheGreatLogini]] 21:31, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
| Save The guestbooks! comment by IRF: I agree but this is not one of those.
|}

===replies to the database===

to IDC (its dot com):
If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck, it just might be a platypous ;-)

to Stux:
all in a days work 
you did not write me a haiku 
when will you write one 

to Trey:
It seems there are more fans of Christian rock in here than I anticipated.
*Sweet! I fell asleep last night listening to [[Wikipedia:Jars of Clay (album)|Jars of Clay]]. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:11, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

==2==
:Arent you only supposed to have 2 personal images? I count 3. [[User:Homsad|Homsad]] 05:18, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

User talk:Homsad

2006-01-28T02:09:37Z

Homsad: /* Guestbook */

== Welcome! ==
Welcome to the '''Homestar Runner Wiki!''' We're glad to have you as a member. If you need any help, feel free to ask anyone on the [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee#Members|welcoming committee]]. You can also post questions on the [[HRWiki talk:FAQ|FAQ talk page]].

Here are some tips to get you started:
* If you need general information, editing tips, or answers to frequently asked questions, check out the [[Help:Contents|help]] page.
* Before you do any significant editing, be sure to familiarize yourself with our [[HRWiki:Standards|wiki standards]].
* Read up on the rules and guidelines for your [[hRWiki:User space|user page]].
* If you're not sure what you can do to help out, head over to [[HRWiki:The Stick|The Stick]].
* If you're looking for more community interaction, you can also register over at our [http://forum.hrwiki.org forum].
* Above all, be sure to '''be bold''' and have fun!

Feel free to delort this message when you're done reading it. (In general, it's considered poor etiquette to remove others' comments from your talk page, but this message is just here to be helpful. It's fine to remove it once you don't need it.) I hope this information is helpful, and that you'll have a good experience contributing to our knowledge-base and our community.

Sincerely, 
{{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} and "The Homestar Runner Wiki Welcoming Committee", 04:01, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

thanks. --The Homsad

:You're welcome. Also, the best way to sign your comments is to type four tildes <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> like this. Hope that's helpful! {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:05, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
:: Oh, thanks! Also, how can I make it look cool like yours? (And Bubstys). [[User:Homsad|Homsad]] 05:08, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
:::If it's a signature you're after, head on over to [[Help:Signature]] for easy, step-by-step instructions. We make learning fun! --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::: Woah, you guys are all nice and helpful around here. Thanks! [[User:Homsad|Homsad]] 05:13, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::Well, we certainly try to be. Hope you enjoy being a member as much as we do. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::::I think I will! [[User:Homsad|Homsad]] 05:20, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

== your editing problem ==
:Hi Homsad. I'm not quite sure why that problem of yours happened, nor how I can fix it, but if I were you, I'd post it [[HRWiki:FAQ|here]]. That way someone who does know what happened can help you. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:07, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
::Thanks, although I dont really know how to post a question. [[User:Homsad|Homsad]] 05:08, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
::: Posting is pretty easy. To ask a question there, first make a section, like
==this.==
(Edit the page to see how I did it). Then, just ask your question, and sign your name like Heimstern showed you. Hope that helps! {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:11, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
:Thanks! [[User:Homsad|Homsad]] 05:13, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

==Guestbook==
Make a guest book.{{User:The thing/sig}} 22:52, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
:A guestbook? Uh... ok. Do I have to? [[User:Homsad|Homsad]] 00:01, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
::No, but it's still pretty cool to read comments that other users give you and see who checks out your page. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:03, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
::: '''edit conflict''' Not at all. I think The Thing just wants to sign it. Really the thing, users dont HAVE to have guestbooks! Only if they want to, so I think most of us would appreciate it if you stopped asking (or in this case, commanding), users to make them. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 00:04, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
::::Ok, I will. [[User:Homsad|Homsad]] 00:05, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::Well now I'm asking politly or politely or politry or politic or Whatever couse I'm a pickle{{User:The thing/sig}} 21:49, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::It's ok. I'm an ear of corn. [[User:Homsad|Homsad]] 21:53, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::It's gone!!!!!!! --{{User:The thing/sig}} 18:14, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, 'cause of the discussion at the wiki standards place. [[User:Homsad|Homsad]] 02:09, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

HRWiki talk:Standards

2006-01-22T17:00:30Z

Homsad:

== REALLY External Links? ==
I can't find anything about this in the user guide.. but you know in the external links section of writeups, and in other places, how it puts that icon after the link (a blue box with an arow coming out)? To me, that essentially says "The link will open up in a new window" as well as "The link goes offsite". I've seen many websites (including every website I've built.. [http://www.lightsecond.com lightsecond.com], [http://www.bend.com bend.com]) that have the convention that if the link goes offsite, it should do so in a new window. Can/should we do the same here? 
[[User:MetaStar|MetaStar]] 20:47, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

:I'm voting against it. Opening a link in a new window is almost pretentious, as if the site you are on should have the power to not let you leave. Modern browsers like Firefox will let you open a link in a new tab when you want to go elsewhere by middle-clicking your mouse, and users are used to doing that when they want to stay on the current site. Furthermore, Firefox by default doesn't open new window links in new tabs, which annoys me to no end. I would say that an offsite link should behave like a normal link, so as not to confuse the user, and that opening a link in a new window should be a perogative of a web application that has a good reason for not taking you offsite. An example of this would be Hotmail, which opens links in a new window to keep you logged in unless you explicity log out. Most users of this site won't be logged in, and they'll be expecting the wiki to behave like like a normal website. So I saw leave it the way it is, and let the user control where his links pop up. If the icon is confusing, change the icon. [[User:Render|Render]]
What about if it's a logged-in-user user preference? And of course this all pre-supposes that such fancies are possible in MediaWiki, which I dunno :) Anyway I have yet to understand tabs since they always open underneath the current page.. they make me think of icky popunders. (Do you know of any good tabbed-browsing-for-dummies like faq on the 'net? I'd read that ;) 
[[User:MetaStar|MetaStar]] 22:21, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)
:User-configurable preferences are always good. Any admins know if this is possible in MediaWiki without a major overhaul? (As for tabs, I suppose it's just one of those things that just sort of grows on you. I like the pop-under effect because it lets me open interesting links for deferred viewing while I continue reading the page I'm on.) [[User:Render|Render]]

== Bold Punctuation? ==

I like how this is coming along, Jones. One question, though: haven't we always placed the colon outside the bold tags, as in "'''THE CHEAT''':"? I guess I don't mind it either way, as long as we are adhering to a standard, but are there rules to this sort of thing? I remember being taught in school that punctuation should never be bold. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 09:43, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)

:Er, I thought we did it the other way around. And since the colon is part of the character "declaration" (rather than part of the dialogue), it seems more natural to have it bold as well. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:00, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)

::Okay, I've been looking around the web (but [[User:Tom|Tom]] is better at Googling than I am) and I can't find anything about whether or not punctuation should be bold. I think it looks more consistent to have the colon in bold. I just wanted to be sure that was the right thing. Carry on. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 10:26, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)
:::I've always bolded the colon. [[User:Hobophobic|<nowiki>~</nowiki>Hobo]]
:Think about it the inverse way. What if you were being asked to bold the dialog instead of the character name? Would you then bold the colon as well? The colon would still have a space before the dialog started so that would look pretty silly: "THE CHEAT''': Meh!'''". so I think you should do with the colon what you do with the character name, not what you do with the dialog. :)
:[[User:MetaStar|MetaStar]] 20:19, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Cast (in order of appearance) vs Featuring/Features ==

I was thinking, for pages for things like early Strong Bad Emails and anything else where only one character appears, it seems kind of redundant to add the "in order of appearance" part since only one character appears. For SBemail#1, I just put "Cast" but even this seems a bit improper as a cast is generally referring to "The actors in a play, movie, or other theatrical presentation," not just one actor. I thought "Featuring" or something like that would be more appropriate... I feel like I'm rambling. [[User:Hobophobic|<nowiki>~</nowiki>Hobo]]

:I guess I don't have an opinion on this one. Certainly "(in order of appearance) is superflouous for one-character toons, but beyond that I don't much care. Anybody else? -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 11:41, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)

::To me, "Featuring" would make the most sense for one-character toons [[User:Hobophobic|<nowiki>~</nowiki>Hobo]]

:::Yeah, for a one character toon I like the word "Featuring". — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 12:55, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)

::::But what about the meaning of the word "featuring"? Didn't [[cheatday]] feature The Cheat? I'd think using that word for some emails and "cast" for others would be misleading. Or at the very least, confusing. I'm thinking that leaving off the "in order of appearance" for toons with only one character would work well enough. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:24, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)
:I'm with Tom on this. Brevity good, "featuring" bad ;) I know on albums and song titles they say "song, by Rapper, feat. other guys".. but it isn't feat. Rapper. I'm also selfishly hoping the word "featuring" can be ostricised for long enough to easily convert things.
:A quick look at a thesaurus suggests to me we could say "Starring: Strong Bad" but I'd also listen to other bright idears
:[[User:MetaStar|MetaStar]] 20:28, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

== SB email reference. ==

I have been using the following styles when referencing a Strong Bad Email depending on the context.

<pre>in the email "[[the facts]]"</pre>

<pre> in the Strong Bad Email: [[the facts]] </pre>

<pre>==Complete Filmography==
* Email: [[duck pond]]</pre>

My goal is to make it clear that we are refering to the title of something.
Otherwise one could get a sentance like,

[[Pom Pom]] kicked [[Strong Bad]] in the head in [[pom pom (email) | Pom Pom]].

Not clear at all. Should this reference be standardized?
-[[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 11:47, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)

:It wouldn't hurt to standardize it since I see all sorts of different usages all over. However, I tend to put the quotation marks inside the link like this: <nowiki>[[the facts|"the facts"]]</nowiki>, which yields [[the facts|"the facts"]]. Looks better to me, but I'd like to hear others' opinions. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 11:54, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)

::I don't think having the leading "Strong Bad Email" is needed. But that's me. What about readers who don't know the emails? But then, if we started putting "in the email, [[sibbie]]", would we also need to start using that for toons and shorts as well, as in "in the toon, [[Where's The Cheat?]]" and "in the short [[Experimental Film]]"? Hmm. I'd also like to hear some other' input.
::Though I do like having the Filmography listings standardized. Very good. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:34, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)

:::I will third the opinion that quotes should be around the title of a toon or email when it is being used in a sentence (as opposed to a bulleted list of related items such as that found on the SBEmail page). I'm not sure which I like better. Putting them outside the link would be easier on my poor typing finders, but putting them inside the link does look nicer. Just my two cents for what it's worth. Should we start a decision poll on the Forum? Not sure we need the leading "in the email, 'whatever'". I think we can just say, "in [[the facts|'the facts']]." As long as it's in quotes you know it's a toon or an email as opposed to it being a character as in Drhaggis' example. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 12:41, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)

::For me, having the quotes in the brackets is unnecessary piping. We should also be adding quotes around unlinked toon titles. -[[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 15:02, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Since when do we not transcribe easter eggs? ==
I personally think easter eggs ''should'' be transcribed. We can't hardly bill ourselves as a definitive knowledge-base of all things Homestar if we don't have transcripts of the easter eggs. Yes, it would ruin the surprise, but so does everything else on our site! The whole reason for a transcript is for people to understand what the characters are saying. If I can't make out what Strong Sad is saying in some-such easter egg, I'd like to be able to find it on the site and read what other people think/know he's saying. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 13:37, 22 Sep 2004 (MST)

:Okay, fair enough. So we need a standard for transcribing them. Any ideas? -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 13:50, 22 Sep 2004 (MST)

::I liked having the short transcript under the bulleted item, but that does get bulky. Let me play around with some ideas and get back to you. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 14:24, 22 Sep 2004 (MST)

:::I took this claim against transcription of EE, was for cases when the egg would be detailed on another page. Such as in the case of a game, or the introduction of another characeter. -[[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 19:02, 22 Sep 2004 (MST)

::::I thought we always did transcribe them. And the unwritten rule has always been this: If the egg is "clickable", that is, the user has to do something to cause the egg, it goes in the "Easter Egg" section. If the egg does not require any action on the part of the user, besides them just sitting in front of their computer a little longer, it goes in the Transcript. I'm pretty sure that's what everybody does anyway, but I just want to make it clear. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:08, 22 Sep 2004 (MST)

::What about creating subheadings (i.e. <tt><nowiki>===cheatsa===</nowiki></tt>) before each easter egg transcript in the Easter Eggs section? That would make things clearer. (I'm thinking something like:)

<pre>
===Homestar===
'''Click on the word "Homestar" to see Homestar crying.'''

''{Homestar is still bawling.}''

'''HOMESTAR''': Ohh, Tenderfoot! Can you tell me what to do
with myself? I feel like I'm at a crossroads, and there's like,
a Denny's on one corner, and an IHOP on the other!

''{Homestar is kneeling over the Tenderfoot drawing.}''

'''HOMESTAR''': Can you give me some sound financial advice?

''{Homestar is laying on the ground again.}''

'''HOMESTAR''': Tenderfoot, can you help advise me on my future?
</pre>

Anybody with me? --[[User:oddtodd|oddtodd]] 11:17, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Format for Lyrics ==

Song lyrics are inconsistently styled throughout the site. I propose that we embed lyrics in <pre> tags, so that they show up inside of a box the same way that the transcribed text of the Strong Bad emails do. Thoughts? [[User:Render|Render]]
:Seconded. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
::Seconded. -[[User:flatluigi|flatluigi]]

== Forward references ==

[[dragon]] has a link to [[guitar]]. Should [[guitar]] have a link to [[dragon]]?
:Chronology on the official site shouldn't affect what can link to what in the wiki. If a link to a future email is interesting and relevant, I don't see why it shouldn't be included. [[User:Render|Render]]

== Category pages ==

Currently Category pages, such as [[:Category:Strong Bad Email]] or [[:Category:1936]] only contain text such as "These articles are all Strong Bad Emails.", and all the substance on that topic is contained in a separate page. Would it make more sense to move all of the substance to the Category page, and turn the actual [[Strong Bad Email]] or [[1936]] page into a mere redirect to the Category? Once and Only Once etc, since it would also provide the listing of everything in the Category underneath. -- [[User:thejesterx|thejesterx]] 21:47, 6 Oct 2004 (MST)

:No, I don't think so. The Strong Bad Email page has a lot of information that wouldn't fit in the category page, and it's a lot easier to link to a regular page (<nowiki>[[Strong Bad Email]] vs. [[:Category:Strong Bad Email|Strong Bad Email]]) than a category. Categories should just be categories, not articles. ~~~

</nowiki>

== Character pictures ==

Now we use thumbnails for toon screenshots - should we do the same for character images? I assume we should, but I thought I'd better verify since it's not made clear anywhere. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
:'''EDIT:''' According to the projects page (drawn to my attention by [[User:spblat|spblat]]), "we need to comb the entire wiki changing full-sized images to thumbnails". This pretty much answers my question. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]

I guess it's my turn to have some fun. I've noticed that a lot of the filmography category styles are different. I'm going to go around changing them so they're a bolded debut and any complete list says "complete filmography". Otherwise, it will just say filmography. Is this ok? [[User:SparkPlug|SparkPlug]] 04:21, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Easter Egg Transcribing Part 2 ==

OK, since I've heard conflicting ideas on the wiki on whether or not Easter Eggs should be transcribed or not, can we finally get some sort of official, definitive yes/no on this? There's both the discussion on this page, the actual Standards page itself, and the discussion page for [[extra plug]] to take into consideration as to my confusion concerning it. I'm asking about this since, while I took the conversation on this page and in [[extra plug]] to mean Easter Eggs are expected to be transcribed now, some Easter Egg transcriptions are now being removed (see, for example, [[Where the Crap Are We?]].) --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 12:00, 18 Oct 2004 (MST)
:This site aims to preserve so much other minutiae about Homestar Runner that I can’t imagine where the policy to not transcribe easter eggs came from. Are we trying to reduce spoilers? In that case, all of the transcripts are also inappropriate. I say we transcribe eggs in the easter eggs section where they are clearly marked and can be skipped by those who want to discover them on their own. [[User:Render|Render]]

:I was the one who deleted the Where the Crap Are We? egg transcript. I've probably removed a couple of others as well, because I wasn't aware that we ''should'' be transcribing eggs. Sorry about that. (I assume we ''are'' now giving egg transcripts?) --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]

::Yes, we are now transcribing easter eggs. I believe I caused the confusion. Sorry 'bout that. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

::FYI: In the other "Easter Egg Transcribing" section, I proposed a format to transcribe easter eggs with in order to reduce clutter. --[[User:oddtodd|oddtodd]] 11:21, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Thumbnails vs full-size images? ==

I read [[HRWiki:Projects|here]] that we should be focused on using thumbnails instead of full size images. I've been doing this on some, but I don't want to go nuts before I know I'm not messing things up. Are there any cases where full size screenshots [[Homsar Main Page|(like this)]] should be preserved? -- [[User:spblat|spblat]] 7:13 PM 23 Oct 2004 (later) foo. Answered my own question. looks like full speed ahead--the standards page is quite clear on this.

== Places ==

Should we start adding "'''Places (in order of apperance)'''" on toon pages? I think it would be helpful to new-comers, as well as everyone else. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

== Wikilinks in transcript dialogue ==

:''There should never be links in dialogue or email sections.''

I'm not so sure about this rule. Certainly we shouldn't create links willy-nilly. But when Strong Bad asks, "Did the [[Wikipedia:quadratic formula|quadratic formula]] explode?", it'd be nice to just link the words "quadratic formula" than to have to propose a whole fun fact about it (which is often not that much fun). - [[User:furrykef|[[User:furrykef|furrykef]] ([[User_talk:furrykef|Talk at me]])]] 01:03, 25 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Nah. I'd like to keep it as it is. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

== Splitting Fun Facts ==

I have an idea for splitting the Fun Facts section into multiple smaller segments - so, if we can't get rid of the now-customary influx of "facts", we can at least split them up. I put my proposed edit (which is open for debate!) at 'link deleted'. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:44, 7 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Sounds interesting and well thought out, but I think we might want to wait for the dust to settle from this whole star thingy before we start to shake things up any more.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:02, 7 Jan 2005 (MST)

::Strangely enough, it was the whole star thing that caused me to bring it up in the first place (though I'd been toying with the idea for a while.) --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 00:07, 8 Jan 2005 (MST)

:::I was bored at work and started segmenting some of the [[some kinda robot|Strong]] [[i she be|Bad]] [[butt IQ|Emails]]. For now I'm not doing any more in the interest that the Wiki should decide on one standard for the fun facts; otherwise I'm just opening up a can of worms that doesn't need to be touched. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 10:19, 11 Jan 2005 (MST)

::::Since I had to remove the subpages, I moved the proposed changes and example to [[User_talk:Jay|my talk page]]. Nothing changed, really. PS. I like the "Fast Forward" category name (used in [[some kinda robot]] by Kamek) over my somewhat lame "To be continued..." --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 13:06, 11 Jan 2005 (MST)

:::::Well, if the two of you want to tackle this, I don't really see any reason why you shouldn't. I'll try to help when I can. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]

::::::I'll go ahead and continue with the refactoring of the Fun Facts. The way I see it is that if something isn't done about it, nothing will get done at all. For the most part I'll try to stick to your proposed standards, Jay. I might add or remove categories if necessary. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 17:59, 11 Jan 2005 (MST)

:::::::I think the fun facts layout should be as following:
<pre>
== Fun Facts ==
=== Trivia ===
Interesting facts about the toon or e-mail.
=== References ===
Interesting references to other things outside Homestar Runner.
=== References To Other Cartoons ===
References to other cartoons.
=== References By Other Cartoons ===
References that other cartoons have made to this toon or e-mail.
</pre>
:::::::I realize that this is roughly what is already being done, but I think the sections should be reworded.

:::::::And what about this "gold star" thing? Is it going to happen, or are we going to trash it? Have we even decided yet? →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

As you've probably noticed, I've split all the sbemails and TGS8. The Fun Facts heading is still there, but everything is in subcategories now. The only complaints I got were one person who didn't like me splitting the emails with very few facts - which I have explained (on my talk page) - and another who didn't like the category name "Fast Forward" (because it was too ambiguous) but didn't offer anything better. (Of course, I'd gladly delete the Fast Forward subcategory and every last Fun Fact within it, except that most people don't seem to agree that this is a good idea.) Is everyone okay with this being a permanent change? Any complaints about the splitting itself, rather than the format? Should we update the Standards? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 19:57, 18 Jan 2005 (MST)

=== Real-World References? ===
Is just me, or do we need better name for "Real-World References"? The name isn't very accurate when we add facts about other fiction. I suggest "Outside References" or "Cultural References". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 15:02, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
: On the one hand, I think you're on to something when you say that "Cultural" might be a better term. On the other hand... well, you'd have to go through a LOT of articles to fix it... --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 15:16, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)

That's why we [[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]], my friend. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 07:41, 13 Apr 2005 (MDT)

=== Running Gags Section ===
As you may have seen in a recent STUFF'd fun fact, there have been mixed reactions about letting "This is another instance pof The Cheta's head exploading" be a fun fact, so I'm thinking we should have a Running Gags section for fun facts. WHat do you guys think?

:Nah. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 15:58, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::C'mon, FireBird, give us a little more than a one-word response. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

:The vote to accept is currently 18–2, and I think the two decliners mistook a running gag for an ''n''th instance of something or a common event. As for listing the running gags, I don't have a problem with keeping them in Inside References, since that's what they are. But they should definitely be documented ''somewhere'', at the very least so that they can link to the Running Gags page. I will keep an open mind on this idea for now. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:02, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:Mentioning them in Inside References I feel would be the best idea, but I'm fully against a full category for them. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 16:07, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I also agree with that, I was just surprised when it was STUFF'd. - [[User:Ju Ju Master|Ju Ju Master]] 17:09, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I would like to pop in my say on this: As a relative new-comer to the wiki, one who has been here for a while but is yet to make an account, I think that having a Fun-Facts split section for Running Gags would be good, and if it isn't, ''it couldn't do any harm.'' -[[User:Ariamaki|Ariamaki]] July 7th, 4:11 AM est.

:Creating a page with a bunch of keyboard mashings wouldn't do any harm, either, but we delete it anyway. Adding a new Fun fact that is poor in grammar wouldn't do any harm, but we fix it anyway. Of course it wouldn't do harm, but some just don't like the idea of it. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 13:45, 7 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Running gags don't appear in great numbers, so we would probably just have one fun fact in the section. If any. [[User:Rogue Leader|Rogue Leader]]

* I am all for it, it sounds like a great idea. [[User:Total Spaceship Guy3|Total Spaceship Guy3]] 20:47, 7 Jul 2005 (UTC)

== Err... Why was my edit reverted? ==

Internet (as in ''the'' Internet; the one Homestar Runner is on) is a proper noun and should thus be capitalized. See [[Wikipedia:Internet]]. --[[User:Uh! Bob|<tt>'''''Úħ¡ βøв'''''</tt>]] 20:38, 27 Mar 2005 (MST)
:Forgot to mention that Flash (as in Macromedia Flash; the format that most Homestar Runner content is in) should also be capitalized, yet the F goes uncapitalized on many pages. --[[User:Uh! Bob|<tt>'''''Úħ¡ βøв'''''</tt>]] 20:40, 27 Mar 2005 (MST)

::Good question about the "I" in Internet. I'm not really sure, you might want to ask over on InterruptorJones's [[User talk:InterruptorJones|talk page]]. As for the "F" in Flash, that's a good point. I change it when I see it, and I've updated the page to note the capital.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:16, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)

:::I realize this discussion was held months ago, but when I read this just now it reminded me of an article on Wired.com almost a year ago: ''[http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,64596,00.html It's Just the 'internet' Now]''. They make a lot of good points in there. Macromedia Flash is certainly a formal product name, but "internet" is no different from "radio" or "television". The internet isn't a product, it's a medium. It isn't a proper noun, it's just a noun. In fact, the Wikipedia:Internet article does mention the shift away from capitalizing in the [[Wikipedia:Internet#Naming_conventions|naming conventions]] section. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 19:19, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::Yeah, that article has [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Internet&diff=20792770&oldid=11598610 come a long way] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Internet&oldid=11598610 since March]. I'd think that being a knowledge base we'd tend to use it in the formal sense though. Is that right?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:37, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Duration vs. Running Time==
I've noticed that, at least for [[Strong Bad Email]] pages/transcripts, the note about how long it is is inconsistent. Some pages use "Duration," others use "Running Time." Not that it's really that big of a deal, but which one would be better to use? (I vote "Running Time.")—[[User:StrongstarRunbad|StrongstarRunbad]] 09:14, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Template to simplify Cast & Filmography ==

I've made a template, [[:Template:Film]], that can be used for Cast lists in toon pages. It automatically adds the page to the character's Filmography category, so you don't need to explicitly add the filmography category at the bottom of the page. For example, for [[rampage]]:

<pre>
'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}},
{{Film|Strong Mad}}, {{Film|The King of Town}},
{{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|Coach Z}}, {{Film|The Cheat}},
{{Film|Strong Sad}}, {{Film|Marzipan}}, {{Film|Homsar}}
</pre>

Replaces:

<pre>
'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]], [[Strong Mad]],
[[The King of Town]], [[Homestar Runner]], [[Coach Z]],
[[The Cheat]], [[Strong Sad]], [[Marzipan]], [[Homsar]]

...

[[Category: Strong Bad Filmography]][[Category: Strong Mad Filmography]]
[[Category: The King of Town Filmography]] [[Category: Homestar Runner Filmography]]
[[Category: Coach Z Filmography]] [[Category: The Cheat Filmography]]
[[Category: Strong Sad Filmography]] [[Category: Marzipan Filmography]]
[[Category: Homsar Filmography]]
</pre>

It seems to simplify things. What do people think?
-- [[User:thejesterx|thejesterx]] 09:24, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Similar template for Computer in SBEmails ==

I noticed that SBEmail pages don't specify the computer the email was received on, they merely show it in the relevant category at the bottom. I made a similar template, [[:Template:Comp]] to specify the computer Strong Bad used to receive the email, and automatically put it in the category for that computer. For example, in [[rampage]]:
<pre>{{Comp|Lappy 486}}</pre>
Which displays: '''Computer:''' [[Lappy 486]], and puts the page in the [[:Category:Lappy 486 Emails]] category. Anyone think this is a good idea, or is this info unnecessary?
-- [[User:thejesterx|thejesterx]] 09:31, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Image Standards ==

With the recent makeover of [[Characters]] and [[Items]], the need for better headlines and captiones of images has grown strong. [[User:Homestar Coder|Homestar Coder]] and [[User:E.L. Cool|myself]] begone to change those systematically, but to what? All the pictures already changed, like [[:Image:homestar.PNG|this one]] used the following standard:

<pre>
'''[[artical name]]''' (from [[toon this image was taken from]])
</pre>

For cases with images of more than one character, artical of place it was taken from, all the appropriate links should be made, and the most important ones should be '''bolded'''. If this standard is fine with everybody, than I think it need to be added to the standard page. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 14:12, 17 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Easter Eggs ==

Should it be a standard to differentiate between easter eggs that occur during the toon and easter eggs that occur at the end of the toon? --[[User:Ace00899|Ace00899]] 02:27, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

:They ''should'' already be listed in chronological order and have descriptions about where to find them, like early in the toon or at the end. A better, more pertinent question is, are we going to start listing so-called waiting eggs (those things that happen seconds after the Paper comes down) in the Easter egg section? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:37, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

== More general "out of the frame" rule proposal ==

I've seen a lot of fun facts floating around that to me seem analogous to the outside-the-frame facts that we usually delete with a vengeance. Most of them involve a seek bar in some way, or using the right-click menu (by viewing the swf directly or on pages that don't have it disabled). I suggest that the standards for glitches be changed to include something like:<blockquote>Glitches which occur in such a way that they cannot be seen during normal viewing (for example they happen outside the frame, or need a seek bar) are usually '''not''' notable. However if something happens that can only be accessed in this way, but is intentional, or otherwise adds something to the article, then it should be mentioned as a Remark.</blockquote>Probably would need some rewording before (and if) becoming official, but it gets my point across... the idea is that this would remove all the facts like:
*(The canonical) If you view the flash file, String Bad has no body, just a head!
*If you use a seek bar to skip some initialisation, things aren't initalised properly (such as the "Undefined.Undefined" level in [[Stinkoman 20X6]])
*Anything involving RMB->Pause or RMB->Play
*Anything involving the Stinkoman 20X6 Cheat Program, or any other tool that makes things happen in ways they weren't intended to.
However it would still allow facts like:
*Moving the mouse over "Store" lots and then over "Downloads" doesn't work properly on [[Main Page 22]] (uses only the controls avaliable in the flash file itself, so comes under "normal viewing")
*The moustacioed Homestar in [[Senorial Day]] (clearly intentional)
*The dancing headless Homestar in [[mile]] ("otherwise adds something to the article")
It probably needs rewording, such specifying what "normal viewing" and "adds something to the article" mean, but the spirit of the proposal is there, even if the letter is imperfect. Your thoughts? {{User:Phlip/sig}} 13:16, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

:If noone has any objections I'll take the axe to [[Stinkoman 20X6 Glitches]], which is full of things like this... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 09:15, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

::Sounds pretty good Philip.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:52, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

== Standardize "The Cheat Noises" ==

My attention was drawn to [[Lookin at a Thing in a Bag]] by an anonny disagreeing with another over what it sounded like The Cheat was saying. Now I've seen in various transcript edits a trend to "not put words in The Cheat's mouth" and simply transcribe as "The Cheat noises." This is ''not'' universally implemented, though; there are lots and lots of instances of things like ''{The Cheat squeaks, it sounds like...}''. I'm not sure I'd advocate reducing everything to "The Cheat noises;" in some instances his noise really sounds strikingly like some phrase, enough to note; also variations such as "The Cheat noises in the affirmative" or "The Cheat squeaks softly" ([[lady...ing]]) are good. But we seriously need to fix some. 
Also, should they be: 
'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{The Cheat noises}'' ... or simply insert it within the flow of other characters' dialogue?

Oh, and one other thing: the colon is bold along with the name, as above, right? That needs to be changed on [[Lookin at a Thing in a Bag]] too. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 00:56, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

:Almost all of the cases should be "The Cheat noises" or "The Cheat squeaks" or similar. I do believe that there does exist that tiny fraction where it actually sounds like he's saying something. But these cases are quite rare. Also notable are the instances where he was translated courtesy of the "Learn to Speak The Cheat" Easter egg. I like when we can add something to indicate his mood or tone of voice, as you mentioned. Finally, other characters get their own line of text when they speak. Why not The Cheat? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:14, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

::Cool. If no one objects, I'll make this my little project. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:16, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
:::Also, when the colons aren't bold faced, that's an error of the transcriber. The colons need to be boldfaced. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}
::::Thanks! I'm doing that too as I encounter them. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:47, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

== Ignored Rule ==
<blockquote>If a character does something while speaking a line of dialogue, or if more description is needed for their manner of speaking or inflection (e.g. if they're singing or whispering) the action ('''if it is not too long to describe in a few words''') can be enclosed in curly braces — { } — and made italic, like this: {goes to the refrigerator}. Note that the curly braces themselves are also italic. Short actions like these do not need to be proper sentences.</blockquote>

The bold rule is probably one of the most ignored rules ever. Go through the various transcripts and you'll see tons of examples of long in-dialogue actions, some of which don't even relate to the speaker. This problem needs to be fixed, but it's way too big for me to do alone. ([[modeling|Here]] is an extreme example of this problem.) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 14:18, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:I put this in projects, because that's probably where it belongs. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 14:54, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::That's fine, but does anybody read that page? You should delete it from either here or there, to avoid duplicating the discussion. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:04, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:::I'm not sure. It ''belongs'' in Projects, but I don't think anyone reads that page either, because it is so outdated, and many of the projects aren't done. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 15:29, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

== Sig standards ==

I realize it's partly my fault for teaching people how to use templates for their sigs and adding an icon to my own sig, but things are starting to really get out of hand. For starters, I propose we restrict images to one 16 x 16 image per sig. If enough people are against images altogether, I don't mind complying and removing my image. Secondly, I think we should prohibit <code>sup</code> and <code>sub</code> tags in sigs altogether. Third, should we have restrictions on the number of colors people are allowed to use in their sigs, or should we prohibit colors all together? Fourth, should we restrict length? I'm not sure how we could police this one since length depends mostly on a person's username. Just some ideas. Talk amongst yourselves. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 23:13, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
:Just for reference, I'd like to point out the Fanstuff Wiki encountered a similar problem a while back. Information can be found [[HRFWiki:Too Long Clanky|here]], along with a link to the rules that were made regarding it. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 01:55, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
::I'd just like to clarify, these sig standards don't apply to anything sig-like on user page/talk page/sub pages that aren't a sig template. A prime example of a possible conflict would be [[User:Wilbur|Wilbur's user sig]]. As a bonus, anybody who would like to showcase their denied sig could still do so on their userpage. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 02:58, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
===Image===
*Don't mind them, as long as they're small. And even though I like H*C's cat, I think the images should be static, not animated. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
*A small one. one that do not highens the line above it in normal text. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 23:36, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
*Keep it to < 16px. Larger images get out of hand. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:54, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
*I like a small image in a sig; it makes people quickly identifiable. I would propose a guideline of 20x20 instead of 16x16. JoeyDay's sig icon is 19px high and it looks just fine to me. Personally I don't mind animated images ;) but if they annoy other people then we could disallow them. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 18:53, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
*20 pixels is fine. Animated images, to me, are fine now, but may have a tendency to get out of hand in the future. I think that animated gifs should be turned into png versions, so that the image is preserved, but it doesn't get distracting. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 11:12, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
* Oh, I didn't realize my image was that big. I revise my original proposal. 20 x 20 should be good. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 22:06, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
* I think images are fine as long as they don't stretch the line of text too high and low. Animated ones don't bug me, as long as they aren't flashy. (For example, H*C's pic is fine to me.) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:00, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
* Animated ones are fine. Just limit one image per sig, and limit size (maybe something from 20 to 30 pixels). {{User:Rainer/sig}} 13:15, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

===Remove sup/sub===
*Agree. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
*Don't mind. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 23:36, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
*They interfere with above/below text. Remove. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:54, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
**What browser are you using? My sig doesn't affect line spacing for me... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 00:46, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
***It isn't necessarily that the line spacing is affected, just that they crowd the line above or below. At least, that's how they show up on mine. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
****Actually, on mine, Phlip, I use [http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/safari.html Safari], and to me the spacing in this <nowiki><h3></nowiki> is normal except for the line where your sig is. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:09, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
*****Could you look at [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&oldid=179011 this] (permanant link to the current Sandbox, since it could very well change soon) to see which lines have the spacing messed up? Are the ones faked with ok? If they are, I'll change my sig to use them instead... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 22:29, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
******I seriously don't see anything wrong with them. We should have a limit to the number of characters in the tags though. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 22:39, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
******Every line in that example sandbox page has extra padding either above or below in Firefox. What browser are you using Phlip? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 23:08, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
*******Firefox. And they all look fine to me (well, if you're being picky, there's maybe 1px here or there, but nothing that you'd notice in flowing text... and some of that is probably rounding errors anyway...[http://members.lycos.co.uk/phlipping/subsup.png]) {{User:Phlip/sig}} 00:02, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
********All the line spacing looks (mostly) uniform to me. My point earlier was not that the spacing is messed up by the sup/sub, but that the sub from one line often collides with the sup from another. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
*Sups and subs don't bother me at all. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:00, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
**Agreed. Allow sups and subs. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 10:39, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

===Colors===
*Do not prohibit. Neutral about whether there should be a limit on the number of colors. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
*Limit to 3 or 4 colors. differant tones of the same color (i.e. dark green and light green) count as one color. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 23:36, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
*Colors should clearly contrast with the white background. (i.e. Bright yellow should not be allowed) — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:54, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
*No limit on colors unless signature is unreadable on white. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 18:54, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
**Speaking of that, some people have tried using backgrounds other than white. We should insist on white backgrounds with no borders. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
***I agree. Before you (or someone) interfered, [[User:GWR 2004]]'s signature was a bit out of hand with borders. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:09, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
**No borders, no special backgrounds, no unreadable or otherwise annoying colors. Other than that, I'm fine with them. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:00, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
*Do not prohibit, but no annoying colours. If someone feels that the colours in someone's sig are annoying, they can advise that person on their user talk page. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 10:40, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
**Just what constitutes an annoying color? Out of the limited number of hex codes to create a color, how many of them are annoying? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:40, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
***The most annoying color (really, the only one I've ever seen) is bright yellow, which is all but completely unreadable. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
****Heh, that used to be my color. But yea, I agree. It shouldn't be a problem too often, and I'm sure if it ever does come up that one user wants a near unreadable color, a comprimise can be reached. But I would limit it to no more than 3 color '''changes''' in a sig, regardless of whether it's the same or not. eg: red, blue, green would be allowed, but red, blue, red, blue, green, red, green, blue would not. The rainbow sigs are flashy and childish, IMO. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 02:41, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

===Length restrictions===
*Need to find a way to calculate how much is too much. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 23:36, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
*No longer than the number of characters in the entire user name, plus a few. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:54, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
::This is the problem. how many is a few? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 23:59, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
:::I personally think Lapper's is the perfect maximum length after the user name. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

::::I'd say a good standard to use would be the length of a timestamp. I count 29 characters there. Maybe a little shorter would work. 20 or 25 maybe?.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:11, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

::::Also, see [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages#Customizing your signature]] for some ideas.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:13, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

:::::There's also the problem with people using large fonts to make their sig much wider than it should be with only their name. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 18:55, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

::::I agree with Tom on that one. 20 characters should be the absolute longest. Besides, usernames themselves longer than 20 characters are somewhat rediculous. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:09, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

:::::I don't think we should measure any length restriction in characters, rather in pixels on a "normal" display. This is because (1) the fonts are proportional (2) someone can always use <tt>style="font-size:10000%"</tt> or something, (3) this will also take into acount the image icon thingies. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 22:40, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
* The fanstuff uses ''Username + 6 large characters or 12 small characters'', images counting as large characters. That works for me. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:00, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
**Yep, the rules regarding sig lengths (which was the main reason why those rules were introduced to the fanstuff wiki, because some sigs were a whole line) at the fanstuff wiki should work fine here. Also, text larger than "normal" size (the default size that the wiki uses) should be the limit of how big you can have the text in your sig. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 10:39, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
*Some of these sigs are three and four times the length of the user's name. I propose that an entire signature—''including the name, image, and links (if any)''—should fit into a box 20 x 160 pixels under normal settings: [[Image:sigbox.png|suggested signature size]] (20 ''n''<nowiki></nowiki>'s will fit in that box, but you can fit upwards of 25 normal-size letters, spaces, and other characters, depending on certain things). I started measuring signatures on the [[HRWiki:STUFF|STUFF]] page, and nearly everybody's fits into it. I think if a name is so long that you can't put a talk link after it and still fit it in the box, then maybe you should omit the link. Or if someone's trying to fit "(talk about my stuff • all the things I did)," but it won't fit, reduce it to "(talk • edits)." Using <nowiki></nowiki> is also an option, as long as it's not ''too'' small. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
**No one has posted to this discussion in a little bit, so I thought I would bring it up again. Here is an image of [[:Image:allsigs.png|all the current signatures]]. You probably will need to click on the image to enlarge it. The gray line is my suggested width of 160px. I don't think going over the line just a few pixels is that bad, but on the other hand some of them are quite long. Check out the one near the bottom. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:36, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
***Wow, thanks for the image, dot com. That's very helpful. I mentioned this in IRC yesterday, but I'll say it here so everyone else can hear it. I really think 25 n's would be better. Somewhere around 200px. That includes a few more people that are straying outside of 160px, while still giving no excuse for the really long folks. I just don't want anyone to accuse us of being unreasonable. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:41, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

===Make it official?===
So... is this debate ongoing, or can some official sig standards be written and added to the page now? Recently I was trying to find such standards for a user with a long sig and couldn't; Rogue Leader finally directed the user to this talk page. If we ''have'' "standards," they shouldn't be on a talk page, should they? And if we're delaying because it's still under discussion than... let's build a fire under it. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:04, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

I got a fancy signature ([[User:Nerd42/sig]] I would like to be able to use. I've put it on all the wikis that I am a member of that allow signatures. I'd be for the No Images policy, but I don't see why colors should be a problem. Length - well, as you can see from mine, I'm not that concerned '''''LOL''''' but if it takes up more than one line on a page, that would be a huge problem. Other than that, I don't see why people think they have to regulate everything ... I think any such policy ought to be worded using phrases like "within reason" and if someone's signature actually becomes disruptive to the site, then admins could deal with that on a case-by-case basis, don't you think? --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 18:30, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

:Even if we did have a "within reason" policy, I think your [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Nerd42/sig&oldid=231360 current sig] would be one of the ones that we would deem disruptive and would deal with. Also, it looks like [[User:Thunderbird L17]] is currently dealing with it on what I would call a case-by-case basis on your talk page. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

::Alright, I think it's gone on long enough, that we can make a final version. I've left a rough suggested final version below, for anybody to edit, until it's ready to be put into motion. Should we explain how to template your sig? Also wording could be made more professional, and the size point should be clarified, as it seems as though the size was never decided upon. Should it perhaps be made a bit bigger? I also added a suggested point that wasn't really discussed at all, but specifically with [[User:Tampo/Holiday Sigs|pages like this]], I think it could become a problem in the near future. So what does everybody think? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:30, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

===Signatures (Final Version)===

''See [[HRWiki:Signature]] for the current signature standards.''

: 
:One thing I think we might want to do is put somewhere, maybe [[Help:Signature]] or whatever, is that using [[Special:Preferences]] and changing the "Nickname" field to what you want your sig to be is much more preferred than using the a template. Then again, I know many people do not want to look at three lines worth of code for someone's sig whenever they click "edit" on a talk page. I suppose we're a bit late for that though, with such widespread use.
:Additionally, creating a template sig is not something a new user should be instructed to do as soon as they join. It most cases, it's not necessary to use a template. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:33, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
::That's true. As long as it's a somewhat small code, you may as well stick to the usual box. The one problem with that is for users such as [[User:JoeyDay|this one]], who like their signature to be uniformed, and yet also changable, which is quite understandable. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 22:41, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Thanks, Tom; yes, we should make it clear that it's perfectly alright ''not'' to make a custom sig at all; that'll probably head off a lot of problems at the pass. A few thoughts:
:::#What's up with the limitation on sig changes? I can imagine it could get confusing, and hard to recognize people once you've gotten used to a certain sig configuration, but I can't really think of any other detrimental effects. At least, I can't think of any reason not to say "shouldn't be frequent" instead of "only once or twice a year".
:::#What constitutes a "distracting" but non-animated image? Might be good to spell out.
:::#There's already step-by-step directions for ''how'' to implement a custom sig at [[Help:Signature]]; this should link to there and—especially—vice versa! —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 22:48, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

::::#You pretty much spelled out the problems yourself. It became a big enough problem over at the Forum to require change locking. We don't want the same thing to happen here.
::::#We can't list every possible image that would apply, but it's safe to say that if such an image exists, a user will come up with it. By saying "no distracting images", it leaves it open to our judgement just what abuses the privilages. In general though, I'm sure most will be allowed.
::::#We're still discussing that, we'll most likely change that page and link to this, line them all up, etc, once these standards are done and ready to implement.
::::Hope that answers your questions, Abdi. Viklas. notstrongorbad. Watered down. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 22:58, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::I changed it from "one or two" to "a couple", which is about the same except with a little more wiggle room. When I was talking about "distracting", I was actually trying to leave room for a non-distracting ''animated'' image while giving a justification for asking someone to remove their distracting animated image. But I suppose there could be a distracting static image, too. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:41, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::One last thing: Should the examples with the arrows be reversed? Or is that just me? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:47, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::It's not just you. I think it makes more sense reversing them from what they are now. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:51, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::::'''These standards were implemented and moved to ''[[HRWiki:Signature]]'' at 22:09, 14 January 2006 (UTC)''' {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 22:09, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::The nicknames and usernames should not have been switched: "If you use a shortened or altered form of your official name, it must be something that suggests your username." ''Dot com'' must suggest ''It's dot com'', not the other way around. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:19, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

''Please post any further discussion on this subject on [[HRWiki talk:Signature]].''

== Transcript Question ==

Why do we script Homestar as 'Homestar Runner' in transcripts? I mean all the characters and the creators refer to him as just Homestar, shouldn't we treat 'Runner' as like a last name and just call him Homestar? [[User:The Pardack|The Pardack]]
:Simply because '''Homestar Runner''' is his full name. It's just proper. {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 17:12, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
::And quite a bit of the time in running text we will say "Homestar Runner" on first mention and then "Homestar" thereafter. The only place we spell it out every time is the label when he's speaking dialogue. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:17, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
:::Plus, TBC get kinda capricious about last names. By the above argument, Strong Bad should just be Strong, but we've never heard that. Marzipan ''has'' been referred to as "Miss Pan," but the Poopsmith has never (thankfully) been "Mr. Smith." This has helped lead to the current discrepency in [[The Ugly One]]'s name; according to [[comic]] she'd have to be Joy, Jennifer, or Virginia, but a logical extension of [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 10|Issue 10]] would imply that it's "The." None of it's written in stone. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 17:53, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
::::Maybe the girls' names are Joy Cheerleader, Kristen So and So, Jennifer What's Her Face, and Virginia The Ugly One. Mrs. So and So-erson's maiden name was Erson, and she has chosen to hypenate upon marrying Mr. So and So. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:29, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::Also, I think Strong Bad's given name is Bad, and he would be rightly called Mr. Strong in that case. Since the Brothers Strong share the name Strong, it's only reasonable that Strong is their surname. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:31, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::Yup. (Maybe they're Asian!) But he doesn't correct the interviewer who calls him "Mr. Bad" in the [[Screen_Savers_Interview_-_24_Jan_2005|Screen Savers Interview]]. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 18:52, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::::Not all that different from a kid calling a camp counselor Mr. Joe (Dr. Joe), Mr. Smiley (ran our college cafeteria) or even Mr. Ed. :) Ok so college students count as kids, right? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:15, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::::Why do I fell like I opened a Pandora's Box? Anyway so what if it's his full name. In the DVD transcript we don't call the creators Mike Chapman and Matt Chapman we just call them Mike and Matt how is Homestar different [[User:The Pardack|The Pardack]]
:::::::::By the way, we are [[Puppets on the Road|inconsistent]] on this last point. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:18, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::Also, it's a convention of Southern etiquette (with roots in slavery) that the "Mr./Miss [first name]" construction is perfectly polite. You run into it every now and then with the [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0279778/ Ya-Ya Sisterhood] types, Southern belles on Celebrex. As Georgians, the phenomenon is probably not foreign to TBC's experience. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 00:39, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

== Make decisions on the wiki ==

''The following discussion was from a talk page for a now deleted template. It has been copied here because it illustrates an important point: namely, if you make an important decision outside the wiki (for example, in the IRC channel), you must have the same discussion on the wiki so that everyone may participate, and no formal action should be taken until that happens.''

When was this article [the "Powered by The Cheat" template] voted on deletion? I tried looking around but found no discussion (and I don't remember voting for it in the Basement either (er where can I link to that too?) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:41, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

:It hasn't ever been voted for deletion, as it was created just recently. The question is, should it? —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 17:42, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

:Well, stux, the discussion was on the IRC channel of the wiki. It included: Lapper, BazookaJoe, Rogue Leader, FireBird and myself. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:44, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

::We're thinking just like the Toons, Shorts, and OldTimey templates were deleted, so should this be. People can just navigate through the [[:Category:Powered by The Cheat|category]] and the [[Powered by The Cheat|article itself]]. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 18:02, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

::Oh. Is it possible that you could post a transcript of said discussion? While I agree that the IRC channel is a great place for discussion, making decisions such as these should not be considered final in that medium for users (like me) that do not frequent the channel. (It also does not have the permanence that a [[da_basement#Template_Overload|talk page]] has which can be later referenced to.) That way the entire Wiki community is given a decent chance to contribute. As for deletion, I am not sure, this template is not as general as the other two. Like my opinion for [[Old-Timey|old timey]] it could be cleaned up. I really have mixed feelings about it. In general, I think templates like these make navigating through themes a lot easier than going through categories (such as the main characters), provided they are not overboard. Newer, shorter templates that replace the deleted ones might prove to be useful. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:30, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

:::That's why I haven't deleted it yet. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 19:47, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

::Stux, the idea of deletion was agreed upon by 5 respected users. We have been using the categories for a long time. Why stop now. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 19:45, 22 October 2005 (UTC)

Here is the transcript form the chat:
<blockquote>
<BazookaJoe`> I was going to fix <nowiki>{{PbtC}}</nowiki> 
<BazookaJoe`> Crap, should we even keep <nowiki>{{PbtC}}</nowiki>? 
<FireBird> Not if we've gotten rid of <nowiki>{{shorts}}</nowiki>. 
<Elcool> and <nowiki>{{toons}}</nowiki> and <nowiki>{{Old-Timey))</nowiki> 
<BazookaJoe`> sigh... 
<BazookaJoe`> Then I won't fix it up. 
<BazookaJoe`> We'll throw it onto the pile. 
<FireBird> Aww. 
<Lapper> how's that? 
<Lapper> Guys? 
<BazookaJoe`> I think I'm just going to delete <nowiki>{{pbtc}}</nowiki> outright. 
<BazookaJoe`> But... eh, some people might like it. 
<BazookaJoe`> no, they won't 
<BazookaJoe`> here I am going back and forth on this one. 
<Rogue_Leader> please delete Toons, old timey, and shorts though 
<Elcool> just let me get the code first. ok? 
<BazookaJoe`> Will do. 
<FireBird>Elcool: If nobody likes the delete, we can always back it up. 
<BazookaJoe`> are <nowiki>{{toons}}</nowiki>, <nowiki>{{shorts}}</nowiki>, and <nowiki>{{Old-Timey}}</nowiki> deleted yet? if not, can you tell me when you've put the code up on /templates? 
<Rogue_Leader> they arent 
<Rogue_Leader> I think Elcool already transfered the code 
<Elcool> yeah. 
<Elcool> everything is cool 
<BazookaJoe`> Okay. No one needs the templates anymore, then? 
<Lapper> So are all the templates declined in voting going down? 
<Lapper> Yeah, Elcool just backed up <nowiki>{{pbtc}}</nowiki>. 
<Rogue_Leader> yeah 
<Rogue_Leader> Two temps still need voting on 
</blockquote>
{{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:55, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
:One thing I seriously dislike about that conversation is that 4 people think that they represent the opinions of the entire wiki. One person saying that, "No they [the entire wiki] won't [like it]," is not considered a consensus. Also, why was every instance of this template removed, even when it is still ''pending'' deletion? - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::For the same reason a fun fact is removed (even if it's a good one) if it's on STUFF. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 21:03, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
:::First of all, thank you for posting a copy of your transcript and for not deleting the template outright. However, with all due respect, I must agree with Kookyman's comment. The deletion was not voted inside the wiki, but rather in a forum outside the wiki. Not all of the usual contributors has chimed in on this deletion (even if it's similar to the previous deltions) -- this is not the same situation, in my opinion, as when STUFF'd items are closed and subsequently deleted. Moreover, Kookyman makes a good point: the template has been removed from all the articles it served before what I believe to be a proper consensus was reached. Not that creating the template in the first place was a consensus, but it was done in good faith, to serve a good purpose. I assume this deletion was also done in good faith, and to serve a good purpose, but I think this has to be finalized through the proper channels that have already been established in this wiki. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:14, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
:::I agree that the IRC wasn't the best place to discuss this, but we wanted a consensus upon it before we put up the tags. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 21:24, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
Two noteworthy things here: First, anytime you have an extrawiki discussion where you make a decision—chat, email, phone call, ''wherever''—you ''must'' go to the appropriate talk page and have the same discussion, to allow everyone to participate. And that's all I have to say about that. Second, I don't see what benefit this template would give that would justify keeping it. It's basically just a rehash of the category, and the pages it contains just share that one loose thread. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:43, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
:We are not denying that what we did is right. We were just discussing about the wiki and we believed that the template was useless. We were not going to out right delete it. We were simply going to put up the tags to see if anyone would mind. Please note that we do not have it put up for speedy delete. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 21:49, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
::I'm not saying anybody's denying anything. Since most of this page has been about the procedure instead of whether this template should be deleted or not, I felt it important to comment first on that. That's all. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:58, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
:::Ok. Now, about the template. We have a category. We don't need an extention on that. We seriously need a standard on templates. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 21:59, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
::::A good guideline would be that templates are made to order lists in non-alphabetical order, while categories can do only that. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 22:02, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::Or to exclude parts of the category. The strongbad_email.exe template only needs the different discs, but the category includes much more than that. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:20, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::I like that idea very much! Kind of what I was thinking (sorta) -- like have this template have "powered by the cheat" items only (a.k.a. those under the powered by the cheat button), and the old timey could've had only their main characters. That way people would be looking at, say old-timey homestar (or fhqwa.. oh I won't even try!) and then think "oh i wanna look at old timey strong bad!" and have to click once on the template to get there without having to go through the category or the old timey page itself. (We web surfers are a lazy bunch ain't we!?) For more involved things (a.k.a minor items/characters/details), they can use the category of course! I figured it would be defined as a convenient complement, not a replacement, to the category system (as it already has served itself to be). Not only that, it's good looking too! (Wow, my messages are only getting longer and longer.) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 00:45, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::::It would already be linked there. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:51, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::::It would already be linked where? you mean the page, or the category? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 00:54, 23 October 2005 (UTC).
The page. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:55, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
:Oh, I checked it out and noticed that that may not always be the case. For example old timey [[The_Homestar_Runner|Homestar]] doesn't link to old timey [[Old-Timey Strong Bad|stwong baad]]. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:10, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
::That is sad. But I do not think that we need another template for old timey characters. Or am I reading this incorrectly? {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 01:11, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
::Maybe so, but it ''does'' link to [[:Category:Old-Timey Characters]], which links to way more information that you'd want to put on a template. Which is the point, I believe. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:40, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
:::True. Very true. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 03:42, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
::::Rogue, What do you refer to by "that is sad"? And yes, it is the point, I am trying to play devil's advocate here a little. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:09, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::That there is no link on the page to Strong Bad. Ok, this is not the place to discuss templates. Let us focus on this template. I doubt the usefulness of this. If this is kept, and I think that is a big if, this will need some huge cleaning. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 14:15, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::You could always just take off the "Somewhat PbtC" listing.
:::::::You really just have to look at the category and you will see all of these links. Even Somewhat PBTC. This is really not needed. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 14:22, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::::I still have mixed feelings about the template. My question is: is Powered by the Cheat important enough to merit a table to facilitate navigation (much in the same way Main Characters, Limozeen and Decemberween do)? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:14, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::I think the problam here, that there is no connection to all the toons, exept for the fact the The Cheat made them. not lie Cheat commandos or Strong Bad Emails. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:19, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::I beg to differ. They have their own section in the toons menu, and share many characteristics that reflect The Cheat's personality as presented in its description page. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:24, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
No, Elcool is right. There is a huge differfence between New Boots and mile. The only thing that it shows that relates to the chorts personality is that he has a huge ego. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 18:37, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
:That is fine. I don't see the differences as big as you do, and I seem to be the only one that thinks as such. They have been deemed big enough that this merits removal, so by all means, go ahead. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:24, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

==Guestbooks==
Recently, some users have [[Da_Basement#Guestbooks|discussed]] the current guestbook situation, and we are formally proposing to get rid of guestbooks. Please note that this decision is still being decided, and is not policy yet. If you wish to give us your opinion on this, then please tell us here.

<div style="color:darkred;text-align:center">'''Note: Be sure to read all the way to the very end of this thread and give an opinon in each of the sections.'''</div>
===End the practice of guestbooks===
====Support====
# See reasons at Da Basement. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC).
# If it's for the good of the Wiki, guestbooks should go. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:20, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# See Rogue Leader's comment. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 00:33, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# I'll go along with this - don't have a strong opinion on guestbooks, personally. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 00:37, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# See Venusy's comment. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 00:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# If it's for the greater good of the wiki, I gotta vote to get rid of 'em. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# See reasons at Da Basement --{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 02:51, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# I want people to read my user page, not just to sign it without knowing what else is there. {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 03:17, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# Don't really see the point of them. There's nothing a gues book can do that a User talk page can't. -[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 04:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# {{User:FireBird/sig}} 04:15, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# See my comment below. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:37, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# See comment below. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:57, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# They were fun at first, but now it's just taking up space. I would appriciate it if we could let them go. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 14:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# Ditto Ation. -[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
# [[User:Homsad|Homsad]] I agree with the guys at Da Basement. Delete them!

====Oppose====
#I want the sweet sweet guestbooks. They let other users know they are there. --{{User:The thing/sig}} 13:48, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#Amost all of the people I know on the Wiki are from my or someone else's guestbook. Guestbooks make relationships! [[User:Bluebry muffin|Bluebry]] 03:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:Guestbooks make relationships, granted, but that's not the only way to make relationships. This H*R knowledge-base wiki is not designed to be a place to hang out and socialize. That's what the forums and [[HRWiki:IRC channel|IRC channel]] are for. The proper way to make relationships on this wiki is to make good edits; eventually people will notice you. One can supplement relationship-building through other venues while editing the wiki the way it was intended. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 03:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#Probably not as strong a point, but I like knowing that people have at least visited my page. I don't have a lot to offer on my page and I would actually like some comments. Restricting them to the talk page is probably best. [[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]] 03:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:I think that would be a good point ''if'' signing a guestbook meant that someone had actually looked at the page. When it's just a game, however, to see how many you can find and sign, it loses all meaning. Also, notice the little counter down at the bottom (where it says "This page has been accessed ''n'' times"). You can track that number to see how many people are visiting your page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:03, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#Is there anything wrong with guestbooks?--{{User:Benol/sig}} 15:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:Benol, you should read the guestbook discussion on [[Da_Basement#Guestbooks|Da Basement.]] {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:22, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#The guestbooks aren't killing anyone, they're just fun. Why should we all act like a bunch of proper stuck ups on a Homestar Runner fan site? Now, if this were turning into a trend on Wikipedia, that'd be one thing, but this is a wiki on a silly, fun cartoon, and guestbooks are one of my fondest memories of this web site. What's next, will saying things like "ARROW'D!" be banned? Of course, I'm sure everyone is going to hate on me now and diss me like a bunch of geeks and nerds, just like what they did when somebody proposed that they could be saying "Strong Bad paints Marzipan" in [[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy]]. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#:Just for info: ''I'' was the one who proposed that. I don't exactly recall being catcalled about it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
#::Yeah, I noticed it was you right after I posted that. Well, I remembered everyone dissing you for that. There have been other times that users have been treated like crap for having a different opinion, though, and that wasn't a very good example, I guess. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#:::I agree, this may seem a bit extreme to some, but this part of the ''HRWiki'' family of websites is primarily for [[the facts]]. A more relaxed, "anything goes" atmosphere exists at the Fanstuff Wiki. Though this site isn't Wikipedia, we still strive to emulate their formal style, and attempt to limit most of our work here to building the Knowledge Base. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::Yeah, that's a good point. We should probably be on the look out for more things in Homestar Runner to pick at until they're not even funny anymore. For a more formal atmosphere, how about we all strangle each other as we argue over fhqwhgads? Is she a wiffle ball? Are [http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fhqwhgads Urban Dictionary's] theories true? And only we visiting the Fanstuff Wiki should watch Homestar for fun. Instead, let's try to find Homestar as boring as possible, so that all we can do is analyze crap.
#::::So, who's with me? Are we going to save the guestbooks, or are we going to suck all the life out of the wiki and make pages like [[Strong Bad Saying, "I Mean I (Did Something)"]] until nobody visits besides us? All right, perhaps I went a bit far. Anybody who's offended, no hard feelings. I just want sweet guestbook freedom. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#:::::Uh, ok. Did you even bother to read the reasons why we wish to get rid of guestbooks? We are just trying to make life easier for patrollers. Besides, signing a guestbook does not mean that you are even remotely interested in their page. It just shows that you have a fast mouse and tilde finger. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 06:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::::Look, I hate to have the whole site against me, especially since I probably won't have as much luck winning you guys back as Strong Bad does, but no, I didn't read the excuse list. Why, because I know it won't affect my opinion on guestbooks. In my experience, I've visited way more talk pages thanks to guestbooks, and I actually check out what's there, so that I can get to know a little more about these peoples before I post. But if you'd like to liberate the site from those ridiculous fan activities, go ahead. I'll keep doing what I'm doing even if it means getting banned! I feel a song, erm, rap coming on...
#::::::(Do not tell me what I can and cannot do when I rock) WHEN I ROCK, WHEN I ROCK...
#::::::DO, DO, DO, '''DO NOT'''! Tell me what I can and cannot do when I rock! Original material my crew nonstop! We're keeping it fly and we'll turn it out, y'all feeling some of that? No doubt! Yes, that's right, I'm keeping my guestbook up no matter what! And maybe some people will respect me for my independence, but I seriously doubt that. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#:::::::1) John Rue is a good man. 2) Breathe. Nothing's happening one way or the other for at least ten days. While persuasive oratory is called for, panic isn't; it's not like guestbooks are dead unless everyone's convinced in the next couple of hours. 3) You're not alone, per se; although I'm far from strongly supporting guestbooks, I don't strongly oppose them. 4) Since time ''isn't'' of the essence, '''do''' take the time to read the rest of this conversation (and also where it [[Da_Basement#Guestbooks|started]]). It helps to know what's already been said. 5) Although I'm sure the shock got your fight-or-flight reflexes going, so far no one ''is'' hating on anyone; the conversation so far has been civilized and non-angry. I really hope it stays that way through its course; please help it do so. 6) In closing, I'd just like to make sure it doesn't go unnoticed that a recent edit included the words "That's a big but." —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:18, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::::::Mr. Katana (or should I call you Mr. X?), Like a wise user once said to me when I was just new to the wiki and didn't have a username: "''sarcasm doesn't exactly work wonders while attempting to argue a point''". And now for the actual reply. We all want to have friends and meet new ones. If this fact was false we wouldn't have such sites as MySpace. Yes, the wiki is a way to make friends, contrary to what some people were saying here, and no, the Fanstuff is not the only place to goof around. But (and that's a big but) making friends through random signatures left on your userpage is not the way to do it. Some userpages told the signers to leave a comment next to their sig. While some posted things like "Thenks for helping me" or "We had fun that one time", alot of them left comments like "Yay! I'm number 27!" or "What? Another guestbook?!" showing that they don't really care about you, your userpage or how good your edits are. It just became a wall intended to be place for art pieces but ended up for ugly graffiti. If you want to make friends, have you thought of going to the chatroom? Having a project, a big one? Think about the wiki as school. An open one where you can make everything. Do you make friends by going to random people with a pen and writing something on their back? Or do you make friends by making something beautiful for all to see? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:58, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::::::First off, check what I posted before I was editing conflict'd. And second, too much ugly graffiti? I love too much ugly graffiti! No, seriously, where I come from graffiti is the finest art form around, but that's not really the point. This wiki isn't a school, unless it's the Crazy Go Nuts University, and I couldn't give a crap less whether people care about me or not, as you can plainly see. That's how I met basically everyone here, and that's how I met all my friends here who probably all hate me now. Anyway, even if it is a big waste of time, it's just freaking user pages, not actual articles, and from what I know, these guestbooks haven't caused any tragedy. So there, ban me for my guestbook. It's a Free Country, USA and I will not be silenced! {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#::::::::::1) Please see my most recent edit above. 2) Yeah, I've made the school analogy before, but I was just thinking "everything that's ''good'' or has the potential to be good about school, hopefully without the really crappy side effects." I.e. ideally it ''would'' be a place for creativity, spontaneity, and individual expression, plus communal, supportive collaboration, but without getting stuffed into lockers or simply called a dumb***. Hopefully it would ''not'' be a militaristic institution for the mass-producing of servile factory fodder either. 3) I'd be really surprised if anybody on the wiki hates you right now, ''including'' those with the opposite opinion on this argument. Guestbooks ''do'' make friendships (though meaningful talk page edits do so even better), and if the friends mean more to you than the guestbook, then even if guestbooks go the way of MXPX ''and'' the buffalo, you'll have what mattered in the first place. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:28, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::::::::Yeah, we're on the same page. Or, more accurately, we're on two different pages which are right next to each other, but that counts too. One thing though, I don't think MXPX will be taking the buffalo route any time soon - I just heard them on [http://www.tv.com/users/DarthKatanaX/profile.php?action=show_blog&entry=175628#comments Burnout Revenge] and all. So, to close it up, I'll halfta go check that out, and hopefully none of my friends will take my flames personally. You might want to check out the Fight for the Guestbooks on my talk page, anyway. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#::::::::::::Not long ago, before guestbooks were popular, we ''still'' managed to communicate, form friendships, plan projects, and so on... through the use of ''talk threads'' and ''IRC chat''. No one is going to be asking you to stop communicating. No one is going to prevent you from reading user pages and posting meaningful comments on the talk pages. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#I think having a guestbook is a good idea; i would however support the concept of moving them to a subpage. {{User:DJ Teh Cheat/sig}} 16:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

====Comments====
* The primary objections seem to be 1) that they make userpage vandalism harder to spot, and 2) they make a lot of "empty" edits to check out in general. Stux suggested restricting them to User Talk pages; although it wouldn't solve the second issue it would solve the first. Although I don't like them, I'm not so sure they need to go entirely; they ''do'' have some benefit in community-building, plus banning them even from talk pages seems a little draconian. (If the defense were that they're not wiki-related talk, many of us would be [[User talk:AbdiViklas#Solfège...|guilty]].) Certainly only one per user per lifetime should be allowed, but I'm not ready to vote to end them entirely and everywhere. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:24, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:I think the reason that people are ready to get rid of them entirely is because they are not being used as real guestbooks. A signature on one does not mean that the user page was appreciated or even read. Some users actively campaign (via talk page spam) to try and get more signatures, which just drives up frivolous edits more. This is why I believe they should be eliminated, not just moved. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:33, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*I wish there was some way to keep certain guestbooks, such as the ones that were around before they were a fad, or the ones used actually as guestbooks, not as a challenge to see how many signatures they can get by a certain date... But there's not really a way to fairly decide that, is there? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:02, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:Yeah, it's kind of like when one noisy student ruins the field trip for the whole class. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:53, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*::I hear you, Thunderbird. But yes, that ''would'' be quite difficult to justify reasonably: "Your guestbook is appropriately motivated; you can keep it! But ''your'' guestbook is a mercenary guestbook; you can't!" I personally don't find the argument of function compelling (not "proper" guestbooks); frivolous edit and talk page spamming ''are'' concerns, though. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*Since I seem to be saying a lot in defense of guestbooks, I just want to play the other side for a sec.: There's no reason people can't simply link to blogs or personal websites which have guestbooks of their own. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:Just curious, but why ''are'' you saying so much in the defense of guestbooks? You don't have one. Almost none of the people with whom you collaborate most often have one. Have you ever formed a meaningful friendship through one? I myself have signed a few guestbooks (back when that's what they were), but nothing substantial came of it. Again, I'm just curious. :) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*If this thing didn't evolve to be a fad I would even fight for the right to keep them. But now they just litter the recent changes page. This days are the first time I had to use the MainSpace filter to a actually ''see'' the edits {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*Finally! I am so tired of this stupid fad! You sign one guestbook, another million pop up. They serve no purpose to the wiki and, frankly, they're now really unoriginal. Are we just owning and signing guestbooks because everyone else is? I mean, when it comes to taste, everyone just follows each other like sheep. Why else are the music charts here in England full of crap? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:57, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*just because you consider it a fad, it's a USER PAGE. as in, the USER gets to decide what to do with it. and if they want a guestbook, it's not up for the wiki to decide. this sounds like a meaningless rule designed to give more control to a humble majority. "I don't like jumproping! nobody else can jumprope from now on!"{{User:DJ Teh Cheat/sig}} 16:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:Actually, user page control is not absolute. We do give quite a bit of leeway as to what you can put on a user page, but there are [[HRWiki:User_space#What_should_I_avoid.3F|certain restrictions]]. If the community decides (and not by just a simple majority) that it's best if we eliminate guestbooks, then we will. But we're not taking this decision lightly—It has simply reached a boiling point. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

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===If the consensus is to end the practice, then what?===
====Delete them altogether====
#— [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 00:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:FireBird/sig}} 04:15, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:I'm having a hard time understanding this position. All the arguments against guestbooks, it seems to me, center around what happens when people ''edit'' them (clogs recent changes, etc.). Aside from the possibility that having them around might incite new ones (which the "closed" tag idea [[HRWiki talk:Standards#Other|below]] ought to curtail), what exactly are they hurting? Even if deletion is necessary, is there a reason to go in and delete them by force with a "the notice has been up" defense rather than starting by asking the user to do so? It seems so... [[Wikipedia:Vogon|Vogon]]. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 08:19, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::Keep in mind that almost nothing is actually ever deleted from the wiki. If people want to visit their old guestbook, it will still be in the history. You ask what they're hurting, and several people have said that they clog the recent changes. While I agree with this, it isn't the basis of my opposition to them because I think it is a weak argument and is only a side-effect of the underlying problem: namely, at some point in the not-too-distant past, guestbooks reached a critical mass and exploded. When that happened, they lost all meaning and became a game. In other words, if guestbooks were currently being used as they were intended to be used, then I would fight tooth and nail to keep them and ''to heck'' with the annoyance of the patrollers. ''But they're not,'' and I have no reasonable expectation that simply ''moving'' them would change the current behavior even one iota. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:28, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:Homsad|Homsad]] Delete them!

====Move existing ones to subpages and lock them====
#{{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:28, 22 January 2006 (UTC) I think that if someone really ''really'' values their guestbook, they should have the option of moving it to a subpage and keeping it there for the sake of documenting history.
#:Couldn't they copy it to their own computer? Also, they can still see it in their page history. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::I'm just saying they should have the option. By the way, I'm saving my guestbook to my computer.
#:::I think we should fight subpage [[Wikipedia:Creep (project management)|creep]] as much as possible. If we disallow guestbooks, then those subpages would no longer serve the project. But if someone just wants to see one, all they would need to do is look at an old version of their page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:33, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::There are other reasons for wanting to keep one than sentimental value. Guestbooks—like user pages in general—are excusable exercises in vanity. The whole point of one is so people can see how many people like you, or at least have acknowledged you. Though this may not be a particularly noble motivation, it's hardly unreasonable. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:42, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::But again, it's not like the comments would disappear from the histories. Why add to the already growing problem of subpages? Talk page discussions are just as good as (nay, better than) guestbook entries, because actual thought goes into leaving messages. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:53, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:Bluebry muffin|Bluebry]] 03:20, 22 January 2006 (UTC) As said above - Most people I met were from guestbooks.
#:<nowiki>*</nowiki>sigh* Once more, you would have a chance to copy the info to your computer, or look at it in your page history. (Broken record = me) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#For someone who knows what it's like to have something that took a long time taken from him, I'm voting about sub-paging and locking. At least give them that. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

====Other====
# '''Restrict them to talk pages; one per user; and require input beyond signatures.''' They could even be thematic; [[User:Has Matt?|Has Matt]]'s list of "Things I Wish Homsar Would Say" would be a good example (except in this scenario it would be on his talk page). The goal would be meaningful statements that would keep all the good aspects of guestbooks (recognition, friendship-building) without the qualities that started this discussion. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:But who will decide what's meaningful and what's not? Some will argue that "YA!!! IM #143! =^^=" is quite meaningful. And if some kind of standard is reached, who will remove the bad stuff from the user's page? The user? Sysop? Having something you wrote removed can triger alot of flame wars. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:45, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::Yeah, good questions. First: once we're talking about talk pages, I for one would be cool with pretty much anything. As I've hinted earlier, some might not find discussions of the [[User talk:AbdiViklas#...And the Absoluteness of Absolute Pitch|absoluteness of absolute pitch]] the most ''meaningful'' talk page content. But I think the policy could be stated fairly clearly: don't just leave your name; try to say something substantive that will make the user happy or tell him or her something about you. The fact that your #143 only makes ''you'' happy, and isn't a particularly intrinsic personal quality. Secondly: Whoa now, yeah. ''If'' this conversation results in a change in policy, then I feel like it should be implemented by leaving the owner a note asking to do it him or herself. He or she can then either delete or move and convert it (though the vast majority would need to just start from scratch—which isn't so bad, really). Rather than moving to subpages and locking, my proposal would be to '''add a tag to existing guestbooks telling other users not to add to them, and then enforce it with warnings'''. It's not like we're dealing with vandalism on the Main Page here; once somebody accidentally signs a "closed" guestbook and is warned, they're not going to continue. If they do, they need to be banned anyway. But closed STUFFs, for instance, survive just fine without locking. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:58, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::That's a decent idea, but it definitely achieves rigamarole status. I vote for keeping it the way it is, but like I say, good one anyway. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#::::Oh-ho-ho-ho! (devilish laugh) Sorry about that, I just felt like this place needed a random Strong Bad quote. Okay, back on task. Why don't we just put something in the standards page that says something like, "Although guestbooks in the Wiki are discouraged, you are allowed to have ''one'' guestbook on a subpage or on your talk page." Just another idea I'm throwing out here. You'll probably find some problems with this idea one way or another, I just felt it needed to be mentioned. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 14:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::I would not have a problem with comments restricted to talk pages, but why would an organized guestbook be necessary there? First of all, there's nothing that prevents someone from starting a thread: "Hey, I read ''X'' on your page and you rock!" I have done that myself several times. Second, as we have clearly seen, there seems to be something wrong with a structured list with the label "Guestbook" that causes certain people to go into a frenzy, which completely negates the whole reason to have people sign it (i.e. to indicate that the user page was read and appreciated). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::::How about this. If the guest book bannination is accepted. how about we give people with guest books 2-3 days to move to a sub page and have a sysop lock it. If they fail to do this, I think we should just delete the guest books that are left. And Has Matt?, I kinda think that that defeats the purpose of this vote. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 16:17, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::::Yeah, we're way past the point of simply ''discouraging'' them. Also, if we permitted them on subpages at all, then we'd might as well just move them to a subpage for them. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

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===If the consensus is to end the practice and delete them altogether, when should that happen?===
#About ten days after the consensus is reached here, they should be deleted. A notice should be put up on the Recent Changes page and at the top of watchlists. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:And the notices have been put up. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 02:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::(Notices of the current discussion, that is, not of deletion.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 02:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::Right. Up there I meant that similar notices would be put up saying something like "Now would be a good time to archive that locally before it's gone" or something. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::Do you think you could put a notice on the Main Page as well, like we did for donations and NSMC? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 02:56, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::The thinking is probably that this is an issue that doesn't really concern IPs; if someone's a user they'll probably see it either on recent changes or when they log in (it's on the "successful login" page). —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:04, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::::Yeah, this isn't something we need to bother people with who are just here to read. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# [[User:Homsad|Homsad]]

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'''Welcome...to the awesome, mind numbing, spine tingling, heart stopping, spell casting, couch potato...ing...montrosity that is...dun dun DUNN...THE WORST USER PAGE IN THE UNIVERSE!!!''' Yep, that's right, Alex, if you came here, you came here '''BY MISTAKE!!!''' This... '''SUNDAY! SUNDAY! SOMEDAY!!!''' '''THRILL!''' as you dicover a page with none, count em, '''NONE''', graphics! '''CHILL!''' as you keep reading my drunken ramblings about life on Mars while eating a bucket of '''SYRUP!!!''' [insert generic verb here]! as you watch '''ME''' wait in '''LINE''' to at the '''MOVIES''' to see '''HARRY POTTER! THE FOURTH ONE!!!''' Hopefully, by now, you realize that this page is pointless with no...um...point...other than, to, um...yeah. '''MUHAHAHAHAHAA!''' Wait, you're not a fish!

'''ZEEKY H BOMB:''' ZEEKY BOOGY DOOG!

'''{boom}'''

'''NOT AGAIN!'''

No, I'm not a troll. I'm Has Matt? And no, The Poopsmith is NOT my favorite character. Wanna guess? Oooh, I love guessing games!

I give up. It's Homsar! The captain of the gravy train! Don't look now! He's just a friendly reminder! Um, I juess this is the part where I tell you my contributions. Yeah. Let's see here, oh! I made [[Peas]]. And [[The Proud Anselmo]]. Please don't hate me! And [[Diapers]]. And [[Hollerin' Jimmy's Hobby Kit]]. And [[Dreamaway Johnny]]. And [[School Paste]]. And [[Cardboard Boxes]]. And [[The Cheat's Glowsticks]]. And, um, that's all the pages I've made. I think. I also added some places to [[Teen Girl Squad Locations]] also. I've welcomed 68 users as well. Something else I'm kinda proud of is when I removed the bold and italics from almost every Inside Joke or Running Gag page that had them. Recently, at the suggestion of [[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]], I made [[Toilets]] into a listing of appearances. Most of the Wiki-stuff I do round here is adding links to other articles where I can. Sometimes I add content to an article where I see it could be added, you know, kinda sprucing up the article. I was going to make [[Other Little Girl]] but someone beat me to it. Now who could it possibly have been? Oh, well. Right now you're probably half bored to half bored to half bored to half bored to bored to half bored half bored to death. Whoa. Deja vu. Anydangway, like I said before, this is my page. Updated somedays. w00t. ''{Current Troll Count: This page has been vandalised'' '''''1''''' ''time.}''

==Things I Wish Homsar Would Say==

Feel free to add your own!

*"I'm an original Picasso!"
*"I'm a taco from the future!"
*"Look out! Here I come now!"
*"I live in a broken paddleball!"
*"Everyone's riding the bullet train!"
*"You're a great bargain buy!"
*"My mind is a lumberjack party house!"
*"The squeaky wheel eats the muffin."
*"popcorn is the latest fashion!"
*"My slipper is a fourteen-foot field goal!"
*"Four score and seven pence ago."
*"I came, I saw, I fried the bacon."
*"All the world's on the back of a tortoise."
*"I'm a duck looking for a goat ride."

==Pretty Awesome Quotes==
*"Speaking of the past, Mr.-I-don't-like-using-edit-summ...LOOK! IT'S ELVIS!" - [[User:Kookykman|Kookykman]]
*"That's okay. I like popcorn." - [[User:Homsarroks|Homsarroks]]
*"Hi! You've got the H-star-C! I'm the Amanda. I am getting my master's degree in computer science at MIT and am currently wasting time." - [[User:Homestar Coder|Homestar Coder]]
*"Ow! My young age!" - [[User:Lapper|Lapper]]
*"You just deleted your goals. ''I'' thought they were interesting." - [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
*"Take that, James Dean!" - [[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]]
*"And that's why come Schubert was so awesome." - [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]]
*"The Paper is deus ex machina, simple as that. Just a really boring version of deus ex machina." - [[User:InterruptorJones|Interruptor Jones]]
*"I like that page. It's my precious." - [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]]
*"Woah.. ''The Sound of Fat''.. This could be the new Broadway musical hit! I'll make hundreds!" — [[User:E.L. Cool|E.L. Cool]]
*"Let your anger be as a monkey in a pinata, hiding with the candy, hoping the kids don't break through with a stick." - [[User:Thesmokingmonkey|The Smoking Monkey]]
*"Three months later, I had watched EVERY toon on the site at least once and finally decided to sign up with a unique and imaginative username. As you can see, I didn't succeed." - [[User:The Chort|The Chort]]
*"I also wish to inquire why your name lacks syllables." - [[User:Sir Strong Bad|Sir Strong Bad]]
*"You win a pony. Please drive to the next window to pick up." - [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]]
*"I'm glad I had that accident...wait, that doesn't sound right." - [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]]
*"To be a successful geek or nerd, one must step back every once in a while and say the following phrase, "It's just a (Movie/TV show/Internet Comic)." Then move on to the next argument." - [[User:Houdin654jeff|Houdin654jeff]]
*"Does the Wiki have a <strike>doll</strike> troll in it? Or maybe a <strike>train</strike> troll?" - [[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]]
*"A penny saved is a penny earned, and a penny earned (to me) is a penny spent. A penny spent means you could buy 1/25 of a gumball." - [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]]
*"Oh, and sorry about having such a goofy user name. My real name is hm*h0mey587." - [[User:Bill Martinson|Bill Martinson]]
*"I ususally just tell them I am doing research on what the world might be without any hypothetical situations." - [[User:Invisible Robot Fish|Invisible Robot Fish]]
*"metaphors are useless; they only prolong awkward conversations about relationships and basketball." [[User:Seriously|Seriously]] 23:37, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
*"it is now beyond all doubt that cigarettes are the largest cause of statistics" - [[User:Ciberdude444|Ciberdude444]]'
*"It's not gonna put mustard on it self! ...That is '''NOT''' mustard!" - [[User:Nckinfn04|Nckinfn04]]

==Pretty Awesome Song==

===The Llama Song===

Here's a llama, there's a llama, and another little llama, fuzzy llama, funny llama, llama, llama, duck. Llama, llama, cheesecake, llama, tablet, brick, potato, llama, llama, llama, mushrooms, llama, llama, llama, duck. I was once a treehouse, I lived in a cake, but I never saw the way, the orange slayed the rake, I was only 3 years dead, but I told a tale, and now listen little child to the safety rail. Did you ever see a llama, kiss a llama, on the llama. Llama's llama, tastes of llama, llama, llama duck. Half a llama, twice a llama, not a llama, farmer, llama, llama in a car, alarm a llama, llama, duck. Is that how it is told now? Is it all so old? Is it made of lemon juice? Doorknob, ankle, cold, now my song is getting thin, I've run out of luck, time for me to retire now, and become a duck.

Funniest. Crap. '''Ever.''' [http://jibjab.com/Oddities/OddityRedir.aspx?full=1&oddid=75]

==Pretty Awesome Parody of the HRWiki==
[http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Some_kinda_robot Clicky clicky!]

Seriously, click it. Funny stuff. ''Warning: This link leads to the [http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/ Uncyclopedia], and although the article contains no profanity, the website does. Please don't sue me.''

==Pretty Awesome Users==

Do something fairly awesome and I'll put your name here! Restrictions apply. Results may vary. Batteries not included.
*[[User:Homsarroks|Homsarroks]] - For mentioning me on his User Page and for proclaiming Homsar's awesomeness!
*[[User:Salty|Salty]] - For contributing much stuff to ze Wiki and for overall awesomeness!
*[[User:Bubsty|Bubsty]] - For putting me on his cool users list and being a funny and helpful guy!
*[[User:JoeyDay|Joey Day]] - For creating a truly awexome site! You rule, man.
*[[User:Lapper|Lapper]] - For welcoming me when I was new here!
*[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] - For fixing my sig and making it SO GOOD!
*[[User:The thing|The thing]] - For putting me on his Cool People list!
*[[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] - The Wiki truly would not be where it is today without him.
*[[User:Marth 99|Marth 99]] - For putting me on his Cool People list! Whoa, deja vu.

==Heading==

And now, I choose to recite a list:

*No, I won't give you my Runescape account
*I used to play Neopets, but I forgot my password
*Go Cowboys
*You have to admit, "baby" is a funny looking word
*When life gives you lemons, think of a better saying
*Watch 24
*Not many contributions...yet
*No, the plate is not for sale! Jeez!
*Oh, crap, I fell down the stairs
*Marshie is WAY creepier than Horrible Painting
*Go Cowboys
*Steve from Blue's Clues is actually Howard Stern in disguise
*AaAaAaAaAa... my banana is in the final stages...
*Balloons float, and sometimes they pop
*My name is Wade, or Durnt
*Not really
*But still
*The Family Guy theme song backwards is weird
*The U.S. Customary System is weirder
*Decemberween is here... Decemberween is here... <s>today</s> a few days ago.
*In case you didn't get the ZEEKY BOOGY DOOG! {boom} reference, check [http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/demented.php this] page out
*Who was the first person to look at a chicken and say, "See that thing over there? I'm going to eat the first thing that comes out of its butt"?
*And by the way, where ''is'' Waldo anyway?
*Ctrl+Shift+Alt+C
*I can speak Simlish
*In 2008 there will be a hurricane named Dolly
*I'll scare your dad
*Go Mavericks
*Are
*you
*getting
*tired
*of
*reading
*this
*yet?
*Don't ask me a stupid question
*Ask Google a stupid question
*Ring ring ring ring ring ring ring
*Bananaphone
*Quick, what's the capital of Montana?
*Maine?
*Cleveland?
*Ha, got you.
*When you think long and hard about it, pizza really does belong in a triangle
*Hey everybody! I have good news!
*I just fired the people that make those Geico commercials
*Well, I can't think of any more randomness so I guess this truly is the
*Go Cowboys
*'''END'''

'''<big><big><big><big>Ooh. 4 <nowiki><big></nowiki> tags. Must be an important one.</big></big></big></big>'''



==Vaguely Guestbook-Type Thing==
You know the drill. Sign, or face the flouride sting of... my, um... '''TRAINED ATTACK DOGS!!!''' Of which I have yet to acquire.

*{{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 03:13, 9 December 2005 (UTC) Yay! I win!
*{{User:Bubsty/sig}} 03:16, 9 December 2005 (UTC) FIRST SINGER EXCEPT FOR HAS MATT BUT HE DOESNT COUNT! Er... because this is his guestbook.
*--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 03:37, 9 December 2005 (UTC) Ohhh I see I'm supposed to push this button, and then this other button named "Save Page" and voilà!
*--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 21:17, 10 December 2005 (UTC) Hola
*{{User:pieinbubsface/sig}} 01:41, 11 December 2005 (UTC) Hi, your rambaling are the coolist
*--{{User:The 386/sig}} 18:32, 11 December 2005 (UTC) Hey man, I'm signing this.
*{{User:The Chort/sig}} 20:00, 11 December 2005 (UTC) My autograph? Sure!
*{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 20:08, 11 December 2005 (UTC) Contestent #1, you're name again is..Has Matt?
*--{{User:Benol/sig}} 20:52, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
*{{User:Kilroy/sig}} 20:55, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
*{{User:Salty/sig}} 23:26, 11 December 2005 (UTC) Yes.
*{{User:gwr2004/sig}} 04:12, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
*{{User:Almo/sig}} 21:07, 12 December 2005 (UTC) I found another Homsar faithful!
*{{User:RJMT/sig}} 06:25, 12 December 2005 (UTC) Um... ya. Hi.
*{{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 06:35, 12 December 2005 (UTC) You may be the first person to include a quote from me on a user page. Thanks!
*-{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 17:22, 12 December 2005 (UTC) Aw wight! Thanks for putting my quote on there!
*{{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 17:31, 12 December 2005 (UTC) Seems like everybody has these nowadays.
*{{User:The thing/sig}} 09:14, 18 December 2005 (UTC) Hi Hi hi hi hih9 yibh7jgu
*— [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:17, 21 December 2005 (UTC) Cowboys and Mavs fan? Are you from Texas, too?
*{{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} Erjit-hu-whah?! Dallas? What ever happened to Houston? It used to be so coo-oo-ool.
*[[User:LePorello|LePorello]] Yes, HM, I went to the sig page. Unfortunately, I can't find <strike>the hexcodes or</strike> (never mind, I found the hexcodes) the font crap. Oh, by the way, THIS IS MY FIRST GUESTBOOK SIGNING! Thanks.
*[[User:Marth 99|Marth 99]]: Sorry, I don't have a sig yet, but I'm happy to be here. Also glad u liked my National Anthem rewrite.
*{{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}}
*[[User:Seriously|Seriously]] 14:45, 2 January 2006 (UTC) why must the world be so signable?
*{{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 04:06, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
* I can't believe I'm actually signing this. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
*{{User:Nckinfn04/sig}} 01:50, 4 January 2006 (UTC) It's not gonna put mustard on it self! ...That is '''NOT''' mustard!
*{{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:41, 4 January 2006 (UTC)
*{{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 01:13, 7 January 2006 (UTC) It's a guestbook.koobtseug a s'tI
*[[User:Homsad|Homsad]] 02:17, 9 January 2006 (UTC) !klat sdrawkcaB !haoW!
[[Image:HRWikiPuzzle.png]] ''This guestbook is a [[Special:Random|stub]]. You can help the Homestar Runner Wiki by [[Special:Random|signing it]].''

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User:Homsad

2006-01-05T05:13:55Z

Homsad:

I'm da Homsad. Or Strongsar. Either one really. They both fit!

I found out about homestar in 2003. My favorite characters are a tie between Homsar and Strong Sad, which is why my name is a combination of both.

Um... thats it. Bye.

PS: I think this wedsite is screwed up, because even though I just logged in, it said I edited annonomously!

FAV USERS:
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User talk:Homsad

2006-01-05T05:13:11Z

Homsad:

User talk:Homsad

2006-01-05T05:08:40Z

Homsad: thanks.

User:Homsad

2006-01-05T05:03:07Z

Homsad:

I'm da Homsad. Or Strongsar. Either one really. They both fit!

I found out about homestar in 2003. My favorite characters are a tie between Homsar and Strong Sad, which is why my name is a combination of both.

Um... thats it. Bye.

PS: I think this wedsite is screwed up, because even though I just logged in, it said I edited annonomously!

User talk:Homsad

2006-01-05T04:59:30Z

Homsad:

User:Heimstern Läufer/welcome

2006-01-05T04:02:27Z

Homsad: /* Welcome! */ ?

User:Heimstern Läufer/welcome

2006-01-05T04:02:13Z

Homsad: /* Welcome! */