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Maristredfox: /**/Real world reference!

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For reference, unlike the character [[Señor]], Senor Cardgage does not use the "ñ" in his name. [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 17:15, 15 Sep 2004 (MST)

True dat, Drhagman. 
- Not Strong Bad

tr00 dat! 
[[User:MetaStar|MetaStar]] 12:55, 2 Oct 2004 (MST)

It really doesn't matter if his appearance in flashback is debated. Seriously, it's not a necessary piece of information. --Ogog

''Wow! Im sure u havent noticed yet, but if you look reaeaeally closely, this guy kinda looks like STRONG BAD!!! So that's where the nightmares come from!''-some retard.

I'm thinking that he is really "Strong Dad." [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 00:14, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

* (Picking up on above point).. I'd asume this implies that Strong Sad et al don't realize this, like he and (ugh) "Strong Mom" had an elicit and sordid rondayview? [[User:MetaStar|MetaStar]] 06:35, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If Senor Cardgage was in [[HRFWiki:User:LesCed/Mrs._Koch|Mrs. Koch]]'s class, he would get an X on his chart for calling guys girls. —[[User:2Fast2Furious|2Fast2Furious]] 9:49 13 April 2006

Shouldn't Senor Cardgage's tendancy to call at guys like they are ladies be a bulleted trait, as it is one of his distinguishing characteristics? --sculptus poe
:I think that's better covered in the paragraph immediately following, which includes his other speech patterns. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

Senor Cardgage does sound kind of [[Wikipedia:Oscar the Grouch|grouchy]]. [[User:Brian Barbera|Brian Barbera]] 01:17, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
:Just because he has a monotonous voice, I guess. [[Strong Mad]] is the grouchy one. [[User:2Fast2Furious|2Fast2Furious]] 12:07, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

==Visual similarities to Creepy Comb-over Strong Bad==
Senor Cardgage has many physical features that are similar to those of Strong Bad (ie. boxing gloves and mask, no shirt, black pants, etc.) TBC obviously patterned him after Strong Bad's general appearance when they created him; however, in the Homestar Runner universe, it is possible that Strong Bad actually patterned his own appearance after Senor Cardgage. It would make sense that Little Strong Bad, after living down the street from him for a while and coming to believe that he is one of the coolest guys ever, might decide to look, act, and maybe even sound as much as possible like the good Senor. It is never stated directly this is actually the case, but it is implied in the email [[kind of cool]] when Strong Bad describes his tall, dumpy alternate self (Creepy Comb-Over Story Strong Bad) as an exact duplicate of Senor Cardgage. — [[User:Ashen|Ashen]]
:I reverted the above edit from the page, but moved it here since it represented at least several minutes work for someone. Unfortunately, views on the interrelation of Strong Bad and Senor Cardgage are far from unanimous; edits are regularly made and reverted asserting either that Creepy Comb-over and he are identical and should be merged, or are separate people and should be further elaborated.
:Your theory about Strong Bad adopting Cardgage's style is fun to hypothesize about. However, it represents one of our ongoing attempts to take "artifacts" of [[The Brothers Chaps|TBC]]'s creative evolution and explain them into backstory or wrestle them into continuity. (See my [[Talk:geddup_noise#Rant_Re:_Reality|lengthy rant]] on the subject.) The simple explanation for the visual similarities are that Creepy Comb-over SB started as SB's imagination, then Strong Sad said the hypothetical SB described was ''like'' S. Cardgage; then TBC liked the character they had created so much they made him a "real" character and gave him a short (even noting the contradictions and confusion they had just raised—"Wait, is Senor Cardgage real!?!"). By this time the hypothetically aged SB had gotten inextricably entangled with the memory of the (assumedly real) neighbor Se'''ñ'''or Cardgage, who was immediately obscured by the problematically-real product of their union, Se'''n'''or Cardgage. Thus we can have Strong Bad appear in the same [[Senorial Day|shot]] with a character that is neither his imagined self nor the actual neighbor from the past, but... ''something'' else altogether. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 02:44, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

So, let me get this straight. Señor Cardgage is the actual neighbor from the past, and Se'''n'''or Cardgage is a figment of Strong Bad's imagination? [[User:Gm1121983|Gm1121983]] 8:47 pm 17 Jan 2006
:Yup, that's about the size of it. Except that Senor Cardgage moved out of imagination to H*R reality. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:42, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
::Have you ever heard of Occam's Razor? --[[User:208.0.20.2|208.0.20.2]] 15:08, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

<s>No. What exactly is Occam's Razor? —[[User:2Fast2Furious|2Fast2Furious]] 10:20 13 April 2006</s>

Seems to me like Senor Cardgage is to Strong Bad as Homsar is to Homestar. Maybe a better name would be stong bad?

Senor Cardgage and Strong Bad are two separate characters as well as Homsar and Homestar. Course, some people believe that Senor Cardgage is really Strong Dad. —[[User:2Fast2Furious|2Fast2Furious]] 17:34 20 April 2006

Surprisingly, [[The Brothers Chaps]] made Creepy Comb-Over Strong Bad the ''real'' Senor Cardgage. I would have thought that the real Senor Cardgage would scare me as much as [[Wikipedia:Aloysius Snuffleupagus|Snuffleupagus]] did when I was little. Senor Cardgage is a little creepy, but he's also funny. His voice cracks me up. [[User:2Fast2Furious|2Fast2Furious]] 01:42, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
:Hah! I'm not the only one!! (About Snuffy, I mean.) And yeah, Senor Cardgage is just plain too creepy for me to find funny. He's one of the two things on H*R that I just can't get around (the other being Li'l Brudder; I can't quite get over making fun of disabilities). —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 02:40, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

I think the article should at least mention how similar he looks to Strong Bad, even if it doesn't give the theories to why and stuff. --MrCheeze

==Vocabulary==

Should Senor Cardgage's vocabulary be listed?

I guess by vocabulary, you mean phrases such as "Excardon me" and "No probalo." I don't see anything wrong with listing quotes. I know there were Senor Cardgage quotes listed in the [http://old.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=Senor+Cardgage old wiki]. [[User:2Fast2Furious|2Fast2Furious]]

==Image of Snuffy==

Do we need this image on this page, or is Brian trying to tell us that Snuffleupagus is the ''real'' Senor Cardgage, and the guy TBC are calling Senor Cardgage is actually creepy comb-over Strong Bad? —[[User:Uncle Jim|Uncle Jim]] 14:28, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
:No, Mr. Snuffleupagus is ''not'' Senor Cardgage. His real name is Aloysius Snuffleupagus. Brian probably added the image for a coincidence. —[[User:2Fast2Furious|2Fast2Furious]] 14:32, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
:[[User:Qermaq|Qermaq]] already removed the image. —[[User:2Fast2Furious|2Fast2Furious]] 14:34, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
::Anyone could have, actually. Remember to only include verifiable H*R.com-related info on this wiki. The Fanstuff wiki is where we create and discuss fan-extention versions of the H*R corpus. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 14:38, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
Cedric said that ''I'' look like Senor Cardgage. —[[User:Uncle Jim|Uncle Jim]] 00:16, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

== Idol? ==

Should we include a reference to the fact that Strong Bad looks up to him like a father? Like during that weird fishing trip that Strong Bad says was a dream come true?
:We probably should. You can just add the fact if you want, it's a wiki ;-){{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:35, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
::Yes, after the latest email, [[the movies]], it's becoming increasingly clear that Strong Bad and Senor Cardgage's relationship is a running gag. It should get more space on this page. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 07:22, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

== Senor based on this guy? ==

It seems pretty likely to me. Take a look at these (real) commercials:
*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCptzXg7xPg
*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqmht0YVcJQ
:Haha, those are pretty funny (but Senor Cardgage is probably not based specifically on them). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:25, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
::"If you can't get credit in my store... ''{pauses for five (very creepy) seconds}'' ...you can't get credit anywhere."
::Those are even worse than D/FW area commercials. At least in D/FW they don't send chills up your spine. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 14:57, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Hey Just thought I would mosey on over here and second that Mark Norton motion, I lived on the Ontario Side of Lake Erie in 2004 when these horrors were still just being broadcast over the television and I couldn't help but think that the two had to be related even in those early days it's just too perfect a Comparison I mean you really can't get much closer to a Senor Cardgage than this guy... especially when the guys who came up with the character used to live in the broadcast region for the commercials. They certainly are creepy especially late at night or on SA. As this is no doubt likely to draw some attention due to the large amount of crossover between the SA, YT, and HS audiences. I was thinking something like this could go up on the Senor Cardgage page if people are cool with that.

"Comparisons can be drawn between Senor Cardgage, and real life furniture salesman Mark Norton who is known for his odd ball late night television advertisements. Usually seen between the hours of 1 and 3 A.M. on the Cleveland FOX affiliate which broadcasts into the Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, South Eastern Ontario, and other regions surrounding Lake Erie."

Cheers
Steve.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_tSxbcOzME
==The Real Senor Cardgage==
The silhouette of Senor Cardgage on the milk carton in [[kind of cool]] looks completely different from Strong Bad's creepy comb-over version. --[[User:School of Rock|Dewey Finn]] 22:33, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
:So what? There is only one Senor Cardgage, and that is the guy with the creepy comb-over and beer belly! --[[User:Shake|Shake]] 17:51, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

==Senor Cardgage Analysis==

Wasn't there a Senor Cardgage Analysis? [[User:StarFox|StarFox]] 05:25, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

== Random Quote ==

I think Senor Cardgage should have a random quote, like [[Homsar]] does. Just think of the potential! Am I left? {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 19:56, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
:No, I think you are right. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:27, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
::Oh. Good. Yes. Well, uh.. this topic got more attention [[Talk:Drive-Thru Whale#Random Quote|here]], btw .. but still not as much as I'd like. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 08:12, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
:::Yes I had a slow day at work yesterday so I [[Template:cardgagequote|started it]]. It can definitely be expanded upon. Maybe have some links put in like the [[Template:homsarquote|Homsar one]] has. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 12:57, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

== Senyor ==

In [[kind of cool]], when Strong Sad first says Senor Cardgage's name, he pronounces it as if the ~ is on the n. Is this important, or have you already pointed it out?--Uhh...Lifty...Fernandez 19:19, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
:Yep, it's already on the [[Senor]] article. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 19:43, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

== [[hremail3184]] ==
Can anybody think of a better way to write the following sentence that I was going to add to the article. "Although Strong Bad had previously idolized Senor Cardgage, he had admitted that Senor Cardgage scared him in [[hremail3184]]". --[[Image:stinkogame-false capsule.gif|20px]][[User:PartyBrd20X6|PartyBrd20X6]][[Image:stinkogame-false capsule.gif|20px]] 20:21, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I was thinking about this as well... perhaps like so, and added to the end of the paragraph talking about how SB idolizes Cardgage?
: "However, in [[hremail3184]], even Strong Bad is frightened by the Senor's exit (walking in place accompanied by traffic sounds)."
Or something to that effect. *shrugs* In any case, I agree that this should be added to the article.
-Zero.exe [[Special:Contributions/200.121.178.161|200.121.178.161]] 01:48, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

== Real world reference ==
Is it worth noting that famous minor TV personality John Hodgman was referring to Senor Cardgage costumes on Twitter as "Jonathan Coulton dressed as Strong Bad costumes" until informed of Cardgage's existance? --[[Special:Contributions/97.123.51.89|97.123.51.89]] 08:41, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

== Cardgage? ==

Excuse me, where in the world does the word "Cardgage" come from, and how did [[The Brothers Chaps]] come on into the word "Cardgage"?
--[[Special:Contributions/83.188.245.197|83.188.245.197]] 20:23, 4 February 2010 (UTC)
:We don't know for sure but probably just one of those wacky things they think of. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:29, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

== Real world reference! ==

On episode 194 of the [http://www.harmontown.com/ Harmontown] podcast, "Talk, Talk, Talk, Wounded," comptroller Jeff Davis says that after he turned 30, he suddenly had a pot belly like Senor Cardgage.

Talk:Halloween Safety

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Maristredfox: /* Stickly Man With a Stick */

== "Hidden Words" ==

[[File:weensaftey decompiledhiddenwords.png|thumb|right|220px|"Rather literal, Dan."]]
Whoa, somebody beat me to making the page? Perposterous! But anyways, methinks we got a new record for trailers with hidden words being found. Here it is this year (with an image). Notice the odd blue dot... --[[User:Camwoodstock|I was raised by a cup of coffee - Camwoodstock]] 17:23, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

== DeVry? ==

Can someone explain what that' supposed to be? Is it an American thing? And how is it linked to what happened in da toon? [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] 08:44, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
: [[Wikipedia:DeVry University|DeVry University]] is a higher-learning institution in Illinois. Likely not related to the toon. {{User:Mee/sig}} 09:13, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
:: Hmm... Wodner if TBC or someone they knew studied there. [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] 16:22, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

== Stickly Man With a Stick ==

Is Stickly Man really digging with a shovel? It looks just like a stick to me. When he throws it up in the air, you can see that there is no shovel head. Should the transcript be changed to "digging with a stick"? Or should we all accept that, on road signs, a shovel can be represented by a mere line with no shovel head? --[[User:MenacingBanjo|MenacingBanjo]] 11:14, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

== "Thriller" reference? ==

Homestar's line about "peepin' 'round y'all's neighborhood" has got to be a reference to Vincent Price's line in "Thriller." http://youtu.be/sOnqjkJTMaA?t=6m30s Anybody else think so?

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Maristredfox: /**/"Thriller" reference?

== "Hidden Words" ==

[[File:weensaftey decompiledhiddenwords.png|thumb|right|220px|"Rather literal, Dan."]]
Whoa, somebody beat me to making the page? Perposterous! But anyways, methinks we got a new record for trailers with hidden words being found. Here it is this year (with an image). Notice the odd blue dot... --[[User:Camwoodstock|I was raised by a cup of coffee - Camwoodstock]] 17:23, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

== DeVry? ==

Can someone explain what that' supposed to be? Is it an American thing? And how is it linked to what happened in da toon? [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] 08:44, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
: [[Wikipedia:DeVry University|DeVry University]] is a higher-learning institution in Illinois. Likely not related to the toon. {{User:Mee/sig}} 09:13, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
:: Hmm... Wodner if TBC or someone they knew studied there. [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] 16:22, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

== Stickly Man With a Stick ==

Is Stickly Man really digging with a shovel? It looks just like a stick to me. When he throws it up in the air, you can see that there is no shovel head. Should the transcript be changed to "digging with a stick"? Or should we all accept that, on road signs, a shovel can be represented by a mere line with no shovel head? --[[User:MenacingBanjo|MenacingBanjo]] 11:14, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Homestar's line about "peepin' 'round y'all's neighborhood" has got to be a reference to Vincent Price's line in "Thriller." http://youtu.be/sOnqjkJTMaA?t=6m30s Anybody else think so?

== "Thriller" reference? ==

Homestar's line about "peepin' 'round y'all's neighborhood" has got to be a reference to Vincent Price's line in "Thriller." http://youtu.be/sOnqjkJTMaA?t=6m30s Anybody else think so?

Talk:Halloween Safety

2014-10-24T18:38:22Z

Maristredfox:

== "Hidden Words" ==

[[File:weensaftey decompiledhiddenwords.png|thumb|right|220px|"Rather literal, Dan."]]
Whoa, somebody beat me to making the page? Perposterous! But anyways, methinks we got a new record for trailers with hidden words being found. Here it is this year (with an image). Notice the odd blue dot... --[[User:Camwoodstock|I was raised by a cup of coffee - Camwoodstock]] 17:23, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

== DeVry? ==

Can someone explain what that' supposed to be? Is it an American thing? And how is it linked to what happened in da toon? [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] 08:44, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
: [[Wikipedia:DeVry University|DeVry University]] is a higher-learning institution in Illinois. Likely not related to the toon. {{User:Mee/sig}} 09:13, 21 October 2014 (UTC)
:: Hmm... Wodner if TBC or someone they knew studied there. [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] 16:22, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

== Stickly Man With a Stick ==

Is Stickly Man really digging with a shovel? It looks just like a stick to me. When he throws it up in the air, you can see that there is no shovel head. Should the transcript be changed to "digging with a stick"? Or should we all accept that, on road signs, a shovel can be represented by a mere line with no shovel head? --[[User:MenacingBanjo|MenacingBanjo]] 11:14, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Homestar's line about "peepin' 'round y'all's neighborhood" has got to be a reference to Vincent Price's line in "Thriller." http://youtu.be/sOnqjkJTMaA?t=6m30s Anybody else think so?

Talk:Ever and More

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Maristredfox: /* Brother of Town */

=="Cold Ones Light" poster==
In the background of when Homestar opens the meeting, there's a poster for "Cold Ones Light." The logo looks remarkably familiar but I can't put my thumb of what brand it's suppose to be parodying. Anyone know? I think it should go in the "Real World References" part, perhaps. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

:Reminds me of the [http://images.google.com/images?q=old%20style%20beer Old Style beer logo], but that's a Wisconsin/Chicago area brew, so I'm not sure that TBC would be familiar with it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 08:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

:On the other hand, it is ''very'' close — it has the red and blue diagonal background on a shield, a similar font, and a red ribbon coming from the bottom. I think this is too similar to be a coincidence, so I'm gonna add it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 08:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

::I personally think it's just a coincidence, but I don't mind leaving it for the time being; at least until further discussion is made regarding it. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 13:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I dunno, they look too similar to me to pass it off as mere coincidence... -{{User:YK/sig}} 18:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

== Gallery of Helmets ==

Should there be a gallery of the helmets the Brothers are wearing?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 08:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:I second that idea, but I haven't had much luck figuring out most out the helmets.{{User:Geshmalderborgen/sig}} 21:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

::I agree; this is a good idea, though I think it could go [[Broternal Order of Different Helmets]] (which describes what each helmet is) Most (all?) of the helmets probably have pictures uploaded at pages like [[The Cheat Other Costumes]], etc. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

== Loading, Friend ==

Is there any reason why the loading screen for this toon is "loading, friend,". If there is, please post it [[Irregular Loading Screens|here]]. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 11:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
*Probably because this toon is about a type of Brotherhood. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 13:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
It reminds me of Cheers, but thats probably just me.--{{User:Slipstream/sig}} 10:21, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

== The Pants Lawsuit ==

I have severe doubts about that reference. For one, the dry cleaners lost his lucky pants, Bubs just can't fit in them. And for two, The Brothers Chaps very rarely make references to current news stories, one so innocuous as this one wouldn't be a prime candidate for an exception. We're ''really'' stretching it here.

:I agree with your skepticism; here's the fact as I removed it, in case people disagree. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 12:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
<blockquote>
Bubs's remark about being in a bad mood because he hasn't been able to fit his lucky pants might be a reference to a news story about a Washington DC Judge who sued a dry cleaner for $54 million dollars for losing his 'lucky' pants. The case was thrown out June 25, 2007 - one day before this toon was posted.
</blockquote>

== doodoo ==

The transcript currently says that Strong Bad says "that's horse pocky, you fools!" I'm 99.9% sure that it's actually "horse pucky", which is semi-obscure slang for horse poop, aka a variation on bullsh-t. Not only does this make more sense than "horse pocky", but one of the characters on M*A*S*H used to say it, and references to 70s/80s sitcoms are pretty standard on this site. - [[User:Uglinessman|Ugliness Man]] 13:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:Agreed. It should be changed. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 13:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
::Also agreed; I changed it to "horse puckey". {{User:Trey56/sig}} 13:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:::The M*A*S*H character you're referring to is [[Wikipedia:Colonel Potter|Colonel Potter]]. --[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 04:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
::::If memory serves, Colonel Potter's expression was "horse hockey." --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 16:43, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Potter does (well, did) indeed use the term "Horse hockey." However, Strong Bad clearly says "Pucky" on this toon. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 02:34, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Could it also be a variation of bullhonkey? That's what I immediately thought of when I first heard it. --[[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 12:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

== BUBRUB! ==

Remember that news broadcast about the "whistle tips"? [http://youtube.com/watch?v=eSOSJ68xOBA It's on YouTube]. The guy's name on the news is Bubb Rubb. Maybe I'm just grasping at straws and the ointment is only named after Bubs himself, but when he held it up and I read the label, I immediately thought, "The whistles go whooooo!" [[User:William|William]] 14:19, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

-I don't think so. Rubs and ointments are a common theme through the Homestar Runner series, given that 'Bub(s)' rhymes with 'rub', I don't think any further explanation is needed. [[User:194.80.32.10|194.80.32.10]] 14:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

::Personally, I'm willing to allow it, because it is a fairly well-known meme. It ''might'' be a coincidence, but I think it's fairly likely that it's not. I'd leave the fact, but make sure it says that it ''could'' be a reference rather than it ''is'' a reference. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 17:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I strongly disagree with this reference and I think it should be STUFF'd, if not removed outright. Thank you. --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 19:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Why do you disagree with it so strongly? The Bubb Rubb meme was, as 0rion pointed out, fairly popular, and even though rubs and ointments are a common occurrence in the H*R series, I think it's still likely to be an intentional reference. It's at least likely enough to warrant inclusion with the qualifier that it may possibly be a reference. If you feel so strongly against it, please explain your reasoning. [[User:72.248.107.194|72.248.107.194]] 14:55, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:I just felt the reference was a total stretch. Some folks are quick to call "real-world reference" just because it reminds them of something they've seen before, with no regard for relevance. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. I see this was STUFF'd and declined unanimously before I even had a chance to vote, so obviously I wasn't alone on this. --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 16:41, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
::It's not a total stretch if it reminds people of the meme. The Brothers Chaps are very internet guys, and I'm sure they've seen it. If it makes it as a reference, here's a decent link to accompany it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KRON-TV#Bubb_Rubb -- [[User:Rueful|Rueful]] 20:57, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:::It didn't make it, though. It has already been declined in STUFF. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:59, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
::::I checked the STUFF page, and it was decided within five hours of being posted. I didn't even know it was on there until after it was already closed. It seems to me that it should be on there for at least a couple of days so that folks can know about it and discuss it. I'm not trying to be annoying about this, I just think that there are people who think that it is an intentional reference, and those people would have voted "Accept" if they'd known it was on the STUFF page. Even if the "Decline"'s still win, which I think they probably will, even with a longer vote, it seems unfair that there was such a brief window in which to actually vote. --[[User:Huitzilopochtli|Huitzilopochtli]] 21:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::This isn't the best place to discuss anyone's doubts in the STUFF process, but there were no supporting votes or arguments presented for that fact at all. The precedent in STUFF is that an item is "swiftly and unanimously declined" in that scenario. Surely ''someone'' would have supported it in that time frame if any numbers which could have outvoted at least 18 people were going to. I also want to point out that the STUFF notice was appropriately placed in the Fun Facts section. Anyone who wanted to review the STUFFed fact had that opportunity in that time frame - a high-activity time frame, as it happens. Again, out of all the registered users who could have, none supported it. Anyway, I think the fact was given a fair hearing and could never have achieved acceptance based on the way it went.
:::::Additionally, there's no purpose in holding a vote open if the outcome is clear. This is not like a presidential election or anything, where our future and security ride in the balance, and stopping voting early because there's a clear outcome is a violation of voters' rights. This is a STUFF vote for the purpose of determining consensus. Once consensus is reached, there's no reason to continue the exercise. Not that others' votes are unwanted, but because they are unneeded. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:07, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I also feel that the STUFF process should have longer voting windows; I had no idea that this process even existed, and by the time I found out, it was too late. In addition, I can't wait until someone hears from the Brothers Chaps that it was, in fact, a reference to Bubb Rubb.[[User:Maristredfox|Maristredfox]] 21:13, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

:Duly noted. Almost all STUFF items are open for a minimum of 3-4 days, and even longer if there isn't at least a 10-vote difference by that point. In cases where there is about a 20-vote difference before then, however, they are promptly closed. These guidelines have worked well so far, so we'll keep following them. However, we'll try to be sensitive to ensuring that the minority has had a fair chance to voice their position.

:Have you tried [mailto:brotherschaps@homestarrunner.com emailing the Brothers Chaps]? I'm not sure that they'd respond about this, but it couldn't hurt... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:21, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

::I fail to see how anyone could think that this is NOT a reference to the whistling muffler guy. There was no point to Bubs's story except to bring out the tube, that was the culmination of his story, and there was no reference after it. Either they went on his story diversion simply so they could say "the word 'Bubs' rhymes with 'rub' and for no apparent reason his name is on the label...." Or...since this is TBC, they made a diversion for an inside joke\cultural reference\past references. That's what they do. This is a reference.--[[User:71.203.169.248|71.203.169.248]] 22:02, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Okay, it's possibly a reference. "Possible" references are not notable because they'd be innumerable -- limited only by our collective imagination. Hey, there was a dartboard in the "Cheers" bar, so the dartboard must be a Cheers reference! The fact is, none of us are mind readers (I think), and the BUBRUB joke still works even if you never heard of Bubb Rubb, so it's a superfluous reference at best. I doubt TBC will ever tell; they're too busy laughing at us. --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 00:19, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
:Re the comment "I can't wait until someone hears from the Brothers Chaps that it was, in fact, a reference to Bubb Rubb" - this has indeed happened in the past, where a STUFFed fact's status was overturned by incontrovertible evidence. Of course, the STUFF process is not perfect. But, no amount of voting by us can accurately divine what TBC's intentions were. We do the best we can, and that's about all we can do. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:58, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
::I think that's perfectly reasonable. My main issue was really the idea of the HR wiki community, and making sure that things are done fairly. It's certainly true that lives do not hang in the balance of this decision. However, what ''is'' at stake is new members' perceptions of this community. This Fun Fact was my first contribution, and I had no idea what the "official" process was. The initial response to the fact seemed, to me, downright hostile. People pounced on it, held a vote for a few hours while I was offline, and declared it "swiftly and unanimously declined". It felt as though I'd just vandalized the site, which I hadn't since I honestly believe that the fact is valid. It also felt as though if I weren't one of the main and most active editors, nothing I do will matter. I realize now that's not the case, and for the most part, the membership here seems very reasonable and friendly. I do appreciate that the vote was re-opened. I knew it would be declined anyway, but the real issue was being able to contribute to the discussion in a meaningful way. By the same token, this is a community, and if the community declines the reference after hearing all arguments for and against it, then that's fair, pending any divine intervention from TBC. I realize how insignificant this one issue is. It does, however, have an effect upon those involved, and we should be aware of how our actions might snowball into trends that will turn people away. That said, I think this situation, all told, was handled reasonably. I, for one, will put it to bed and move on to more important and interesting things in my life :) [[User:Huitzilopochtli|Huitzilopochtli]] 15:19, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

There was no reason whatsoever that the vote should have been reopened, and shame on whoever decided to do it. 18 decline votes in one day is a pretty obvious thing meaning that the fact shouldn't stand. Facts have been closed in the past with fast accepts or fast declines, why was this particular one different? --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 19:28, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
: Not to [[User:It's Dot Com|point fingers]] or anything, but the vote's already been re-closed with the same consensus. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:07, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

:Looking back at the situation, I think it turned out well. When the fact was closed, there was a big disparity between this talk page discussion (4-1 people in favor of the fact) and the STUFF vote (18-0 against the fact). The reason for this is that seasoned users both know how the STUFF process works better and are more likely to decline a given fact. I entirely understand why Huitzilopochtli and others felt left out of the process, and the fact that he is satisfied with the process in the end makes its reopening worth it, in my eyes. We need the contributions of new users and don't want to turn them away.

:At the same time, reopening of facts should be rare — I take this event not as precedent for regularly reopening facts in the future, but a strong reminder to give reasonable facts (as this one was) a little more time in the STUFF process, even when there's a majority of votes against them, and especially when there's good reason to believe that most of the supporters of the fact haven't had a chance to vote. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:30, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
::Umm... "shame on whoever decided to do it"? That's completely unnecessary and unhelpful to say. It was opened to allow for a much clearer consensus (since five hours is, indeed, a very short window of opportunity), which is exactly what we got, and otherwise no change. Please don't demean others that way. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 23:59, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

== Coldson like Molson? ==

Could the Coldson Lite can be a reference to Molson beer?
:Yes. The connection is already mentioned on the [[Cold Ones]] page, actually. -{{User:YK/sig}} 18:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

== The Name ==

The name should be changed. I think something like "B.O.D.H." or "The Helmet Club" would be better until it shows up on the main page. I don't think ever and more was at all a significant part of the toon. [[User:D&d greg|D&d greg]] 20:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

:We usually use the names as they appear on the [[HR:toons.html|official toons menu]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

:: Oh yeah sorry. I hadn't cleared my cache and I didn't see anything on the toons menu. [[User:D&d greg|D&d greg]] 21:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

== Homsar in the cast? ==

Should Homsar be in the Cast of Characters? It's a picture of him, not the actual Homsar, after all. [[User:Nsayer|Nsayer]] 22:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:Yup, he's not there, and neither should he be. Linked in the stage directions is fine. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

:Only characters who actually are "acting" in the toon are in the cast, just like in real life. If you see a picture of the president on the wall of an office in a movie, is the president a cast member? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:00, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

== Legs?? ==
[[Image:Legs.png|thumb|60px|left]][[Image:NewestHomestar.png|thumb|60px]]
Did anyone watch this and think that Homestar's legs should have been visible a few times but were absent? Look at his...... waist, when he's backing away from the KoT, and also when they're doing the secret handshake. It's like they're not there. {{User:Salty/sig}} 22:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

:Whoa, freaky! Good eye, I'd add it, but you saw it first. [[User:Elkmiester||\|/[_}-Elkmiester-{_]\|/|]] 00:05, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

::I don't see a problem at all. His legs are not as wide as his torso, and they are usually more to the back of his body. See pictures. I'm gonna remove the fact.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:57, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

:::O.K., you're the sysoperson. [[User:Elkmiester||\|/[_}-Elkmiester-{_]\|/|]] 22:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

::::Erm, sysops aren't all-knowing, you know... Don't just accept my opinion because I'm a sysop.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:16, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I know, I just wanted to joke a little. And say Sysoperson. Sorry, I know you're normal people. [[User:Elkmiester||\|/[_}-Elkmiester-{_]\|/|]]
== The bar in the basement ==

Just a note: in this toon, a stairway leading upwards from [[the bar]] is revealed. So, it's likely that the bar is in the basement of some other building.
#Perhaps the most logical building for it to be the basement of is [[Bubs' Concession Stand]], as it is a commercial establishment and TBC alluded to the possibility of exploring it further after Bubs descended into it in [[geddup noise]] (see the DVD commentary).
#Another possibility is that Homestar leaves the meeting to go take a bath in what appears to be the [[Bathroom of the Brothers Strong]] (in which we have [[Homestar Presents: Presents|previously seen]] an old-fashioned bathtub. So, it might seem that the bar is in the basement of the [[House of the Brothers Strong]]. However, this seems unlikely since we have seen much of that basement already ([[Strong Bad's Basement]], [[Strong Bad's Room]]).
#Finally, it's possible that the bar is in the basement of [[Homestar Runner's House]]. In this case, it would seem that the bathroom Homestar goes to is his own, and that he, like Strong Bad has both an old-fashioned bathtub and a shower in his bathroom. Facts supporting this point of view are (a) Homestar has been seen most of the other appearances of the bar with Pom Pom, (b) it would make sense for Homestar to take a bath in his own tub, and (c) if Homestar is the Supreme Overlord of the [[Broternal Order of Different Helmets|Broternal Order]], it would make sense (though is not necessary) that he would hold meetings in his basement.

I think that one of these is intended, since they took the time to draw the staircase, but I'm not sure which one it is (I lean toward #1 and #3). Perhaps we'll have to wait for more data in future toons to decide. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:01, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd have to go with numbah one. It's a cool idea and makes perfect sense...Well, as much as a bald guy with no arms or pants. (Strong Mad) [[User:Elkmiester||\|/[_}-Elkmiester-{_]\|/|]]

:It's too easy to poke holes in these arguments though. Couldn't [[The Bar]] just be on X floor and the stairs lead up to X+1 floor? Why assume a basement? And why assume the bathroom is in the same building? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:10, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, there are too many unknowns to say anything for sure. It does seem like a basement though, as it lacks windows all around the room, and it's common for homes to have small bars or masculine-looking dens in their basements. Nevertheless, like you said, the arguments don't hold water on their own. We'll have to see if TBC ever address it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:19, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Until such time as we have a shred of evidence to go on, I've termed it "The Meetingplace of the Broternal Order" and left it at that. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:14, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

::::No, it's still [[The Bar]] that they're in. The same one as [[Theme Song Video]] and [[Summer Short Shorts]]. It's the same wood paneling, the same lamp, the same dartboard, and the same pennant on the wall. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:47, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

== tricycle recipe ==

here is a recipe for a tricycle fron surflounge.com/recipes
*Tricycle (TX Shooter)
**Equal parts:
**Midori
**Malibu
**Banana Liquer
**Milk
**Do not over pour milk or drink will suck!

 ive never heard of a tricycle recipe, but here one is...{{User:Csours/sig}} 01:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

==songs==

That club song is a recycled tune. The last time we heard it (last email) Homestar was hanging upside down singing "blacking out, blacking out, blacking out." & the easter egg song was from Disney's 'Duck Tales'.
:"The NeverEnding Story"? Don't think that's so. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, "blacking out, blacking out, blacking out" does sound kinda like "ever and more, ever and more, ever and more". --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 09:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I don't think it does. They sound somepletely different to me. The only similarity is repeating a phrase three times. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 02:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Homestar in the bathtub is a reference to DuckTales, and Homestar hanging upside down is a reference to The Never Ending Story. Ever and More was last used in [[the movies]] and should be mentioned under [[songs]]. [[User:Elkmiester||\|/[_}-Elkmiester-{_]\|/|]]

==Pirates of the Carribean==

If it was checkable, I'd bet money that the brothers chaps had that new pirates of the carribean movie as inspiration here. Anyone know what I'm talking about? [[User:68.44.199.208|68.44.199.208]] 02:27, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

:Not me, but fraternal organizations are a common entity in the US, so likely not a direct reference to any one film. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:31, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

::Having seen the movie, I see absolutely no connection whatsoever, but maybe that's just me. Not only is there no seen in the movie where there is a bathtub of gold, but none of the storyline or names are represented at all. No multiple manifestations of the main character, Marzipan is not used to represent either of the two major female characters who make the movie. Besides the fact that there is a closeknit brotherhood, drinking, group singing, and gold-- all reminiscent of virtually every pirate show since Pirates of Penzance, what part here makes you think of Pirates?--[[User:71.203.169.248|71.203.169.248]] 17:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

:I really doubt it. It reminds me of the Flintstones more than PotC (after all, the Loyal Order of Water Buffaloes wear funny helmets). Plus, this wasn't a group of bellicose chieftains trying to save their kind: it was a meeting of a fraternal organization. If it were checkable, I'd bet money that they didn't have PotC in mind. :) [[User:Pensivepoet.babblingbard|Pensivepoet.babblingbard]] 18:58, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

== Brother of Town ==

This is like the first time that anyone's ever treated the King of Town with any respect at all. Homestar invited him up to demonstrate a secret handshake with them. Maybe this is just cuz he's the only one who could actually DO a 'secret handshake' since neither of em have hands. --[[User:Abelhawk|Abelhawk]] 04:21, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
: Seems fairly obvious, to me, that the KoT was simply chosen for the joke - he's the only main character present besides Homestar with no hands. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:41, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:: My first thought when Homestar said "handshake" was that Marzipan'd turn up, but I guess she wouldn't be in a brotherhood, what with the whole "female" thing and such... and I doubt Homsar would be able to pull off the whole handshake thing... so yeah, that only leaves KoT, out of the main 12. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 10:27, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:::When Strong Bad and The Cheat practice it, they don't use their hands/arms, even though they ''clearly'' have them. A lack of visible arms is apparently not a factor. [[User:Neox|Neox]]
::::I think the joke is the have no visible arms, and then we see Strong Bad and The Cheat practice as if they also had no visible arms. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 17:21, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
The other reason the King of Town actually gets treated with respect is because within fraternal organizations like the Masons, everyone is equal, regardless of their profession or position in the outside world. This is also, in my opinion, the reason Homestar can be in charge (and it also makes that fact even funnier; even though he's the dim light bulb of the group, everybody has to respect him within the walls of the Order). [[User:Maristredfox|Maristredfox]] 01:53, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

== Rollover Minutes ==

It has been suggested we discuss this before STUFFing it. What do you think about keeping this as a reference to at&t (formerly Cingular) Wireless' Rollover feature? It is obviously true, but it could be taken by some readers as an advertisement for the company. Thoughts? I am for keeping it personally.
[[User:PlasticDiverGuy|PlasticDiverGuy]] 06:36, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
: Who, precisely, are you arguing with? I don't see that there's any disagreement over this fact. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

::I don't think the advertising factor is a problem — we're listing factual information to help explain the toon and linking to a non-commercial website. So, I think it should be okay. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

:PDG, I notice that you put on the STUFF page that this fact was added and removed. It was not removed; it was moved to a different place in Fun Facts. I think that might be the source of any confusion. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:58, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, I didn't think to look to see if it had been moved first. My bad guys for pouring Fweska over the entry. [[User:PlasticDiverGuy|PlasticDiverGuy]] 16:55, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

== Coach Z's Helmet ==

I have serious doubts on calling Coach Z's helmet a "Gladiator Helmet." The only distinctly gladiator helmet I know of is the Murmillo (fishman) helmet, and that certainly wasn't one. It kinda looks Greek (300 reference maybe?), but I'd guess it's either that or an early middle ages helmet (Saxon is what comes into my head). It's the nose guard. Not prevalent in a lot of roman helmets. I'm not extremely well informed on the subject, but it's just my thoughts, and I think it should probably just be called an iron war helmet or something.
:It's a barbute. Google it for pictures. Closest medieval helmet I could find, but the shape is distinct enough that I can say, beyond any reasonable doubt, that Coach Z's helmet was a barbute -- and therefore I edited this page and the Order's page.
::<s>I disagree. Wikipedia provides pictures way different from Coach Z's helmet. Although, I also have no idea what it could be. First thing I think of is knights of the medieval times...</s> Nope, nevermind. [[Wikipedia:Barbute|Wikipedia's]] description definitely shows Coach Z's helmet is a barbute. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 17:09, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

== Burping video game music ==

Strong Bad's comment about burping video game music reminded me immediately of Wakko Warner from [[Wikipedia:Animaniacs|Animaniacs]]'s performances burping out various songs, enough that I thought it could be a reference. I don't know if such a gag was specific to Wakko, though, so I thought I'd bring it up here first. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 19:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

==Power Play==
power play could be a reference to fox news's power player of the week {{unsigned|Atomic1fire|06:01, 29 June 2007 (UTC)}}

Talk:Ever and More

2007-06-28T21:13:24Z

Maristredfox: /* BUBRUB! */

=="Cold Ones Light" poster==
In the background of when Homestar opens the meeting, there's a poster for "Cold Ones Light." The logo looks remarkably familiar but I can't put my thumb of what brand it's suppose to be parodying. Anyone know? I think it should go in the "Real World References" part, perhaps. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

:Reminds me of the [http://images.google.com/images?q=old%20style%20beer Old Style beer logo], but that's a Wisconsin/Chicago area brew, so I'm not sure that TBC would be familiar with it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 08:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

:On the other hand, it is ''very'' close — it has the red and blue diagonal background on a shield, a similar font, and a red ribbon coming from the bottom. I think this is too similar to be a coincidence, so I'm gonna add it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 08:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

::I personally think it's just a coincidence, but I don't mind leaving it for the time being; at least until further discussion is made regarding it. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 13:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I dunno, they look too similar to me to pass it off as mere coincidence... -{{User:YK/sig}} 18:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

== Gallery of Helmets ==

Should there be a gallery of the helmets the Brothers are wearing?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 08:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:I second that idea, but I haven't had much luck figuring out most out the helmets.{{User:Geshmalderborgen/sig}} 21:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

::I agree; this is a good idea, though I think it could go [[Broternal Order of Different Helmets]] (which describes what each helmet is) Most (all?) of the helmets probably have pictures uploaded at pages like [[The Cheat Other Costumes]], etc. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

== Loading, Friend ==

Is there any reason why the loading screen for this toon is "loading, friend,". If there is, please post it [[Irregular Loading Screens|here]]. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 11:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
*Probably because this toon is about a type of Brotherhood. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 13:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
It reminds me of Cheers, but thats probably just me.--{{User:Slipstream/sig}} 10:21, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

== The Pants Lawsuit ==

I have severe doubts about that reference. For one, the dry cleaners lost his lucky pants, Bubs just can't fit in them. And for two, The Brothers Chaps very rarely make references to current news stories, one so innocuous as this one wouldn't be a prime candidate for an exception. We're ''really'' stretching it here.

:I agree with your skepticism; here's the fact as I removed it, in case people disagree. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 12:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
<blockquote>
Bubs's remark about being in a bad mood because he hasn't been able to fit his lucky pants might be a reference to a news story about a Washington DC Judge who sued a dry cleaner for $54 million dollars for losing his 'lucky' pants. The case was thrown out June 25, 2007 - one day before this toon was posted.
</blockquote>

== doodoo ==

The transcript currently says that Strong Bad says "that's horse pocky, you fools!" I'm 99.9% sure that it's actually "horse pucky", which is semi-obscure slang for horse poop, aka a variation on bullsh-t. Not only does this make more sense than "horse pocky", but one of the characters on M*A*S*H used to say it, and references to 70s/80s sitcoms are pretty standard on this site. - [[User:Uglinessman|Ugliness Man]] 13:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:Agreed. It should be changed. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 13:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
::Also agreed; I changed it to "horse puckey". {{User:Trey56/sig}} 13:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:::The M*A*S*H character you're referring to is [[Wikipedia:Colonel Potter|Colonel Potter]]. --[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 04:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
::::If memory serves, Colonel Potter's expression was "horse hockey." --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 16:43, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Potter does (well, did) indeed use the term "Horse hockey." However, Strong Bad clearly says "Pucky" on this toon. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 02:34, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Could it also be a variation of bullhonkey? That's what I immediately thought of when I first heard it. --[[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 12:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

== BUBRUB! ==

Remember that news broadcast about the "whistle tips"? [http://youtube.com/watch?v=eSOSJ68xOBA It's on YouTube]. The guy's name on the news is Bubb Rubb. Maybe I'm just grasping at straws and the ointment is only named after Bubs himself, but when he held it up and I read the label, I immediately thought, "The whistles go whooooo!" [[User:William|William]] 14:19, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

-I don't think so. Rubs and ointments are a common theme through the Homestar Runner series, given that 'Bub(s)' rhymes with 'rub', I don't think any further explanation is needed. [[User:194.80.32.10|194.80.32.10]] 14:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

::Personally, I'm willing to allow it, because it is a fairly well-known meme. It ''might'' be a coincidence, but I think it's fairly likely that it's not. I'd leave the fact, but make sure it says that it ''could'' be a reference rather than it ''is'' a reference. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 17:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I strongly disagree with this reference and I think it should be STUFF'd, if not removed outright. Thank you. --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 19:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Why do you disagree with it so strongly? The Bubb Rubb meme was, as 0rion pointed out, fairly popular, and even though rubs and ointments are a common occurrence in the H*R series, I think it's still likely to be an intentional reference. It's at least likely enough to warrant inclusion with the qualifier that it may possibly be a reference. If you feel so strongly against it, please explain your reasoning. [[User:72.248.107.194|72.248.107.194]] 14:55, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:I just felt the reference was a total stretch. Some folks are quick to call "real-world reference" just because it reminds them of something they've seen before, with no regard for relevance. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. I see this was STUFF'd and declined unanimously before I even had a chance to vote, so obviously I wasn't alone on this. --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 16:41, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
::It's not a total stretch if it reminds people of the meme. The Brothers Chaps are very internet guys, and I'm sure they've seen it. If it makes it as a reference, here's a decent link to accompany it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KRON-TV#Bubb_Rubb -- [[User:Rueful|Rueful]] 20:57, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:::It didn't make it, though. It has already been declined in STUFF. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:59, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
::::I checked the STUFF page, and it was decided within five hours of being posted. I didn't even know it was on there until after it was already closed. It seems to me that it should be on there for at least a couple of days so that folks can know about it and discuss it. I'm not trying to be annoying about this, I just think that there are people who think that it is an intentional reference, and those people would have voted "Accept" if they'd known it was on the STUFF page. Even if the "Decline"'s still win, which I think they probably will, even with a longer vote, it seems unfair that there was such a brief window in which to actually vote. --[[User:Huitzilopochtli|Huitzilopochtli]] 21:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::This isn't the best place to discuss anyone's doubts in the STUFF process, but there were no supporting votes or arguments presented for that fact at all. The precedent in STUFF is that an item is "swiftly and unanimously declined" in that scenario. Surely ''someone'' would have supported it in that time frame if any numbers which could have outvoted at least 18 people were going to. I also want to point out that the STUFF notice was appropriately placed in the Fun Facts section. Anyone who wanted to review the STUFFed fact had that opportunity in that time frame - a high-activity time frame, as it happens. Again, out of all the registered users who could have, none supported it. Anyway, I think the fact was given a fair hearing and could never have achieved acceptance based on the way it went.
:::::Additionally, there's no purpose in holding a vote open if the outcome is clear. This is not like a presidential election or anything, where our future and security ride in the balance, and stopping voting early because there's a clear outcome is a violation of voters' rights. This is a STUFF vote for the purpose of determining consensus. Once consensus is reached, there's no reason to continue the exercise. Not that others' votes are unwanted, but because they are unneeded. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:07, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I also feel that the STUFF process should have longer voting windows; I had no idea that this process even existed, and by the time I found out, it was too late. In addition, I can't wait until someone hears from the Brothers Chaps that it was, in fact, a reference to Bubb Rubb.[[User:Maristredfox|Maristredfox]] 21:13, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

== Coldson like Molson? ==

Could the Coldson Lite can be a reference to Molson beer?
:Yes. The connection is already mentioned on the [[Cold Ones]] page, actually. -{{User:YK/sig}} 18:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

== The Name ==

The name should be changed. I think something like "B.O.D.H." or "The Helmet Club" would be better until it shows up on the main page. I don't think ever and more was at all a significant part of the toon. [[User:D&d greg|D&d greg]] 20:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

:We usually use the names as they appear on the [[HR:toons.html|official toons menu]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

:: Oh yeah sorry. I hadn't cleared my cache and I didn't see anything on the toons menu. [[User:D&d greg|D&d greg]] 21:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

== Homsar in the cast? ==

Should Homsar be in the Cast of Characters? It's a picture of him, not the actual Homsar, after all. [[User:Nsayer|Nsayer]] 22:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:Yup, he's not there, and neither should he be. Linked in the stage directions is fine. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

== Legs?? ==
[[Image:Legs.png|thumb|60px|left]][[Image:NewestHomestar.png|thumb|60px]]
Did anyone watch this and think that Homestar's legs should have been visible a few times but were absent? Look at his...... waist, when he's backing away from the KoT, and also when they're doing the secret handshake. It's like they're not there. {{User:Salty/sig}} 22:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

:Whoa, freaky! Good eye, I'd add it, but you saw it first. [[User:Elkmiester||\|/[_}-Elkmiester-{_]\|/|]] 00:05, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

::I don't see a problem at all. His legs are not as wide as his torso, and they are usually more to the back of his body. See pictures. I'm gonna remove the fact.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:57, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

:::O.K., you're the sysoperson. [[User:Elkmiester||\|/[_}-Elkmiester-{_]\|/|]] 22:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

::::Erm, sysops aren't all-knowing, you know... Don't just accept my opinion because I'm a sysop.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:16, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I know, I just wanted to joke a little. And say Sysoperson. Sorry, I know you're normal people. [[User:Elkmiester||\|/[_}-Elkmiester-{_]\|/|]]
== The bar in the basement ==

Just a note: in this toon, a stairway leading upwards from [[the bar]] is revealed. So, it's likely that the bar is in the basement of some other building.
#Perhaps the most logical building for it to be the basement of is [[Bubs' Concession Stand]], as it is a commercial establishment and TBC alluded to the possibility of exploring it further after Bubs descended into it in [[geddup noise]] (see the DVD commentary).
#Another possibility is that Homestar leaves the meeting to go take a bath in what appears to be the [[Bathroom of the Brothers Strong]] (in which we have [[Homestar Presents: Presents|previously seen]] an old-fashioned bathtub. So, it might seem that the bar is in the basement of the [[House of the Brothers Strong]]. However, this seems unlikely since we have seen much of that basement already ([[Strong Bad's Basement]], [[Strong Bad's Room]]).
#Finally, it's possible that the bar is in the basement of [[Homestar Runner's House]]. In this case, it would seem that the bathroom Homestar goes to is his own, and that he, like Strong Bad has both an old-fashioned bathtub and a shower in his bathroom. Facts supporting this point of view are (a) Homestar has been seen most of the other appearances of the bar with Pom Pom, (b) it would make sense for Homestar to take a bath in his own tub, and (c) if Homestar is the Supreme Overlord of the [[Broternal Order of Different Helmets|Broternal Order]], it would make sense (though is not necessary) that he would hold meetings in his basement.

I think that one of these is intended, since they took the time to draw the staircase, but I'm not sure which one it is (I lean toward #1 and #3). Perhaps we'll have to wait for more data in future toons to decide. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:01, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd have to go with numbah one. It's a cool idea and makes perfect sense...Well, as much as a bald guy with no arms or pants. (Strong Mad) [[User:Elkmiester||\|/[_}-Elkmiester-{_]\|/|]]

:It's too easy to poke holes in these arguments though. Couldn't [[The Bar]] just be on X floor and the stairs lead up to X+1 floor? Why assume a basement? And why assume the bathroom is in the same building? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:10, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, there are too many unknowns to say anything for sure. It does seem like a basement though, as it lacks windows all around the room, and it's common for homes to have small bars or masculine-looking dens in their basements. Nevertheless, like you said, the arguments don't hold water on their own. We'll have to see if TBC ever address it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:19, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Until such time as we have a shred of evidence to go on, I've termed it "The Meetingplace of the Broternal Order" and left it at that. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:14, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

::::No, it's still [[The Bar]] that they're in. The same one as [[Theme Song Video]] and [[Summer Short Shorts]]. It's the same wood paneling, the same lamp, the same dartboard, and the same pennant on the wall. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:47, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

== tricycle recipe ==

here is a recipe for a tricycle fron surflounge.com/recipes
*Tricycle (TX Shooter)
**Equal parts:
**Midori
**Malibu
**Banana Liquer
**Milk
**Do not over pour milk or drink will suck!

 ive never heard of a tricycle recipe, but here one is...{{User:Csours/sig}} 01:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

==songs==

That club song is a recycled tune. The last time we heard it (last email) Homestar was hanging upside down singing "blacking out, blacking out, blacking out." & the easter egg song was from Disney's 'Duck Tales'.
:"The NeverEnding Story"? Don't think that's so. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, "blacking out, blacking out, blacking out" does sound kinda like "ever and more, ever and more, ever and more". --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 09:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I don't think it does. They sound somepletely different to me. The only similarity is repeating a phrase three times. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 02:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Homestar in the bathtub is a reference to DuckTales, and Homestar hanging upside down is a reference to The Never Ending Story. Ever and More was last used in [[the movies]] and should be mentioned under [[songs]]. [[User:Elkmiester||\|/[_}-Elkmiester-{_]\|/|]]

==Pirates of the Carribean==

If it was checkable, I'd bet money that the brothers chaps had that new pirates of the carribean movie as inspiration here. Anyone know what I'm talking about? [[User:68.44.199.208|68.44.199.208]] 02:27, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

:Not me, but fraternal organizations are a common entity in the US, so likely not a direct reference to any one film. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:31, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

::Having seen the movie, I see absolutely no connection whatsoever, but maybe that's just me. Not only is there no seen in the movie where there is a bathtub of gold, but none of the storyline or names are represented at all. No multiple manifestations of the main character, Marzipan is not used to represent either of the two major female characters who make the movie. Besides the fact that there is a closeknit brotherhood, drinking, group singing, and gold-- all reminiscent of virtually every pirate show since Pirates of Penzance, what part here makes you think of Pirates?--[[User:71.203.169.248|71.203.169.248]] 17:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

:I really doubt it. It reminds me of the Flintstones more than PotC (after all, the Loyal Order of Water Buffaloes wear funny helmets). Plus, this wasn't a group of bellicose chieftains trying to save their kind: it was a meeting of a fraternal organization. If it were checkable, I'd bet money that they didn't have PotC in mind. :) [[User:Pensivepoet.babblingbard|Pensivepoet.babblingbard]] 18:58, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

== Brother of Town ==

This is like the first time that anyone's ever treated the King of Town with any respect at all. Homestar invited him up to demonstrate a secret handshake with them. Maybe this is just cuz he's the only one who could actually DO a 'secret handshake' since neither of em have hands. --[[User:Abelhawk|Abelhawk]] 04:21, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
: Seems fairly obvious, to me, that the KoT was simply chosen for the joke - he's the only main character present besides Homestar with no hands. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:41, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:: My first thought when Homestar said "handshake" was that Marzipan'd turn up, but I guess she wouldn't be in a brotherhood, what with the whole "female" thing and such... and I doubt Homsar would be able to pull off the whole handshake thing... so yeah, that only leaves KoT, out of the main 12. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 10:27, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:::When Strong Bad and The Cheat practice it, they don't use their hands/arms, even though they ''clearly'' have them. A lack of visible arms is apparently not a factor. [[User:Neox|Neox]]
::::I think the joke is the have no visible arms, and then we see Strong Bad and The Cheat practice as if they also had no visible arms. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 17:21, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

== Rollover Minutes ==

It has been suggested we discuss this before STUFFing it. What do you think about keeping this as a reference to at&t (formerly Cingular) Wireless' Rollover feature? It is obviously true, but it could be taken by some readers as an advertisement for the company. Thoughts? I am for keeping it personally.
[[User:PlasticDiverGuy|PlasticDiverGuy]] 06:36, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
: Who, precisely, are you arguing with? I don't see that there's any disagreement over this fact. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

::I don't think the advertising factor is a problem — we're listing factual information to help explain the toon and linking to a non-commercial website. So, I think it should be okay. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

:PDG, I notice that you put on the STUFF page that this fact was added and removed. It was not removed; it was moved to a different place in Fun Facts. I think that might be the source of any confusion. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:58, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, I didn't think to look to see if it had been moved first. My bad guys for pouring Fweska over the entry. [[User:PlasticDiverGuy|PlasticDiverGuy]] 16:55, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

== Coach Z's Helmet ==

I have serious doubts on calling Coach Z's helmet a "Gladiator Helmet." The only distinctly gladiator helmet I know of is the Murmillo (fishman) helmet, and that certainly wasn't one. It kinda looks Greek (300 reference maybe?), but I'd guess it's either that or an early middle ages helmet (Saxon is what comes into my head). It's the nose guard. Not prevalent in a lot of roman helmets. I'm not extremely well informed on the subject, but it's just my thoughts, and I think it should probably just be called an iron war helmet or something.
:It's a barbute. Google it for pictures. Closest medieval helmet I could find, but the shape is distinct enough that I can say, beyond any reasonable doubt, that Coach Z's helmet was a barbute -- and therefore I edited this page and the Order's page.
::<s>I disagree. Wikipedia provides pictures way different from Coach Z's helmet. Although, I also have no idea what it could be. First thing I think of is knights of the medieval times...</s> Nope, nevermind. [[Wikipedia:Barbute|Wikipedia's]] description definitely shows Coach Z's helmet is a barbute. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 17:09, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

== Burping video game music ==

Strong Bad's comment about burping video game music reminded me immediately of Wakko Warner from [[Wikipedia:Animaniacs|Animaniacs]]'s performances burping out various songs, enough that I thought it could be a reference. I don't know if such a gag was specific to Wakko, though, so I thought I'd bring it up here first. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 19:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Ever and More

2007-06-28T21:12:53Z

Maristredfox: /* BUBRUB! */

=="Cold Ones Light" poster==
In the background of when Homestar opens the meeting, there's a poster for "Cold Ones Light." The logo looks remarkably familiar but I can't put my thumb of what brand it's suppose to be parodying. Anyone know? I think it should go in the "Real World References" part, perhaps. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

:Reminds me of the [http://images.google.com/images?q=old%20style%20beer Old Style beer logo], but that's a Wisconsin/Chicago area brew, so I'm not sure that TBC would be familiar with it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 08:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

:On the other hand, it is ''very'' close — it has the red and blue diagonal background on a shield, a similar font, and a red ribbon coming from the bottom. I think this is too similar to be a coincidence, so I'm gonna add it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 08:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

::I personally think it's just a coincidence, but I don't mind leaving it for the time being; at least until further discussion is made regarding it. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 13:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I dunno, they look too similar to me to pass it off as mere coincidence... -{{User:YK/sig}} 18:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

== Gallery of Helmets ==

Should there be a gallery of the helmets the Brothers are wearing?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 08:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:I second that idea, but I haven't had much luck figuring out most out the helmets.{{User:Geshmalderborgen/sig}} 21:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

::I agree; this is a good idea, though I think it could go [[Broternal Order of Different Helmets]] (which describes what each helmet is) Most (all?) of the helmets probably have pictures uploaded at pages like [[The Cheat Other Costumes]], etc. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

== Loading, Friend ==

Is there any reason why the loading screen for this toon is "loading, friend,". If there is, please post it [[Irregular Loading Screens|here]]. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 11:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
*Probably because this toon is about a type of Brotherhood. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 13:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
It reminds me of Cheers, but thats probably just me.--{{User:Slipstream/sig}} 10:21, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

== The Pants Lawsuit ==

I have severe doubts about that reference. For one, the dry cleaners lost his lucky pants, Bubs just can't fit in them. And for two, The Brothers Chaps very rarely make references to current news stories, one so innocuous as this one wouldn't be a prime candidate for an exception. We're ''really'' stretching it here.

:I agree with your skepticism; here's the fact as I removed it, in case people disagree. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 12:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
<blockquote>
Bubs's remark about being in a bad mood because he hasn't been able to fit his lucky pants might be a reference to a news story about a Washington DC Judge who sued a dry cleaner for $54 million dollars for losing his 'lucky' pants. The case was thrown out June 25, 2007 - one day before this toon was posted.
</blockquote>

== doodoo ==

The transcript currently says that Strong Bad says "that's horse pocky, you fools!" I'm 99.9% sure that it's actually "horse pucky", which is semi-obscure slang for horse poop, aka a variation on bullsh-t. Not only does this make more sense than "horse pocky", but one of the characters on M*A*S*H used to say it, and references to 70s/80s sitcoms are pretty standard on this site. - [[User:Uglinessman|Ugliness Man]] 13:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:Agreed. It should be changed. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 13:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
::Also agreed; I changed it to "horse puckey". {{User:Trey56/sig}} 13:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:::The M*A*S*H character you're referring to is [[Wikipedia:Colonel Potter|Colonel Potter]]. --[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 04:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
::::If memory serves, Colonel Potter's expression was "horse hockey." --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 16:43, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Potter does (well, did) indeed use the term "Horse hockey." However, Strong Bad clearly says "Pucky" on this toon. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 02:34, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Could it also be a variation of bullhonkey? That's what I immediately thought of when I first heard it. --[[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 12:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

== BUBRUB! ==

Remember that news broadcast about the "whistle tips"? [http://youtube.com/watch?v=eSOSJ68xOBA It's on YouTube]. The guy's name on the news is Bubb Rubb. Maybe I'm just grasping at straws and the ointment is only named after Bubs himself, but when he held it up and I read the label, I immediately thought, "The whistles go whooooo!" [[User:William|William]] 14:19, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

-I don't think so. Rubs and ointments are a common theme through the Homestar Runner series, given that 'Bub(s)' rhymes with 'rub', I don't think any further explanation is needed. [[User:194.80.32.10|194.80.32.10]] 14:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

::Personally, I'm willing to allow it, because it is a fairly well-known meme. It ''might'' be a coincidence, but I think it's fairly likely that it's not. I'd leave the fact, but make sure it says that it ''could'' be a reference rather than it ''is'' a reference. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 17:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I strongly disagree with this reference and I think it should be STUFF'd, if not removed outright. Thank you. --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 19:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Why do you disagree with it so strongly? The Bubb Rubb meme was, as 0rion pointed out, fairly popular, and even though rubs and ointments are a common occurrence in the H*R series, I think it's still likely to be an intentional reference. It's at least likely enough to warrant inclusion with the qualifier that it may possibly be a reference. If you feel so strongly against it, please explain your reasoning. [[User:72.248.107.194|72.248.107.194]] 14:55, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:I just felt the reference was a total stretch. Some folks are quick to call "real-world reference" just because it reminds them of something they've seen before, with no regard for relevance. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. I see this was STUFF'd and declined unanimously before I even had a chance to vote, so obviously I wasn't alone on this. --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 16:41, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
::It's not a total stretch if it reminds people of the meme. The Brothers Chaps are very internet guys, and I'm sure they've seen it. If it makes it as a reference, here's a decent link to accompany it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KRON-TV#Bubb_Rubb -- [[User:Rueful|Rueful]] 20:57, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:::It didn't make it, though. It has already been declined in STUFF. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:59, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
::::I checked the STUFF page, and it was decided within five hours of being posted. I didn't even know it was on there until after it was already closed. It seems to me that it should be on there for at least a couple of days so that folks can know about it and discuss it. I'm not trying to be annoying about this, I just think that there are people who think that it is an intentional reference, and those people would have voted "Accept" if they'd known it was on the STUFF page. Even if the "Decline"'s still win, which I think they probably will, even with a longer vote, it seems unfair that there was such a brief window in which to actually vote. --[[User:Huitzilopochtli|Huitzilopochtli]] 21:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::This isn't the best place to discuss anyone's doubts in the STUFF process, but there were no supporting votes or arguments presented for that fact at all. The precedent in STUFF is that an item is "swiftly and unanimously declined" in that scenario. Surely ''someone'' would have supported it in that time frame if any numbers which could have outvoted at least 18 people were going to. I also want to point out that the STUFF notice was appropriately placed in the Fun Facts section. Anyone who wanted to review the STUFFed fact had that opportunity in that time frame - a high-activity time frame, as it happens. Again, out of all the registered users who could have, none supported it. Anyway, I think the fact was given a fair hearing and could never have achieved acceptance based on the way it went.
:::::Additionally, there's no purpose in holding a vote open if the outcome is clear. This is not like a presidential election or anything, where our future and security ride in the balance, and stopping voting early because there's a clear outcome is a violation of voters' rights. This is a STUFF vote for the purpose of determining consensus. Once consensus is reached, there's no reason to continue the exercise. Not that others' votes are unwanted, but because they are unneeded. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:07, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I also feel that the STUFF process should have longer voting windows; I had no idea that this process even existed, and by the time I found out, it was too late. In addition, I can't wait until someone hears from the Brothers Chaps that it was, in fact, a reference to Bubb Rubb.

== Coldson like Molson? ==

Could the Coldson Lite can be a reference to Molson beer?
:Yes. The connection is already mentioned on the [[Cold Ones]] page, actually. -{{User:YK/sig}} 18:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

== The Name ==

The name should be changed. I think something like "B.O.D.H." or "The Helmet Club" would be better until it shows up on the main page. I don't think ever and more was at all a significant part of the toon. [[User:D&d greg|D&d greg]] 20:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

:We usually use the names as they appear on the [[HR:toons.html|official toons menu]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

:: Oh yeah sorry. I hadn't cleared my cache and I didn't see anything on the toons menu. [[User:D&d greg|D&d greg]] 21:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

== Homsar in the cast? ==

Should Homsar be in the Cast of Characters? It's a picture of him, not the actual Homsar, after all. [[User:Nsayer|Nsayer]] 22:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:Yup, he's not there, and neither should he be. Linked in the stage directions is fine. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

== Legs?? ==
[[Image:Legs.png|thumb|60px|left]][[Image:NewestHomestar.png|thumb|60px]]
Did anyone watch this and think that Homestar's legs should have been visible a few times but were absent? Look at his...... waist, when he's backing away from the KoT, and also when they're doing the secret handshake. It's like they're not there. {{User:Salty/sig}} 22:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

:Whoa, freaky! Good eye, I'd add it, but you saw it first. [[User:Elkmiester||\|/[_}-Elkmiester-{_]\|/|]] 00:05, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

::I don't see a problem at all. His legs are not as wide as his torso, and they are usually more to the back of his body. See pictures. I'm gonna remove the fact.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:57, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

:::O.K., you're the sysoperson. [[User:Elkmiester||\|/[_}-Elkmiester-{_]\|/|]] 22:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

::::Erm, sysops aren't all-knowing, you know... Don't just accept my opinion because I'm a sysop.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:16, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I know, I just wanted to joke a little. And say Sysoperson. Sorry, I know you're normal people. [[User:Elkmiester||\|/[_}-Elkmiester-{_]\|/|]]
== The bar in the basement ==

Just a note: in this toon, a stairway leading upwards from [[the bar]] is revealed. So, it's likely that the bar is in the basement of some other building.
#Perhaps the most logical building for it to be the basement of is [[Bubs' Concession Stand]], as it is a commercial establishment and TBC alluded to the possibility of exploring it further after Bubs descended into it in [[geddup noise]] (see the DVD commentary).
#Another possibility is that Homestar leaves the meeting to go take a bath in what appears to be the [[Bathroom of the Brothers Strong]] (in which we have [[Homestar Presents: Presents|previously seen]] an old-fashioned bathtub. So, it might seem that the bar is in the basement of the [[House of the Brothers Strong]]. However, this seems unlikely since we have seen much of that basement already ([[Strong Bad's Basement]], [[Strong Bad's Room]]).
#Finally, it's possible that the bar is in the basement of [[Homestar Runner's House]]. In this case, it would seem that the bathroom Homestar goes to is his own, and that he, like Strong Bad has both an old-fashioned bathtub and a shower in his bathroom. Facts supporting this point of view are (a) Homestar has been seen most of the other appearances of the bar with Pom Pom, (b) it would make sense for Homestar to take a bath in his own tub, and (c) if Homestar is the Supreme Overlord of the [[Broternal Order of Different Helmets|Broternal Order]], it would make sense (though is not necessary) that he would hold meetings in his basement.

I think that one of these is intended, since they took the time to draw the staircase, but I'm not sure which one it is (I lean toward #1 and #3). Perhaps we'll have to wait for more data in future toons to decide. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:01, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd have to go with numbah one. It's a cool idea and makes perfect sense...Well, as much as a bald guy with no arms or pants. (Strong Mad) [[User:Elkmiester||\|/[_}-Elkmiester-{_]\|/|]]

:It's too easy to poke holes in these arguments though. Couldn't [[The Bar]] just be on X floor and the stairs lead up to X+1 floor? Why assume a basement? And why assume the bathroom is in the same building? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:10, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, there are too many unknowns to say anything for sure. It does seem like a basement though, as it lacks windows all around the room, and it's common for homes to have small bars or masculine-looking dens in their basements. Nevertheless, like you said, the arguments don't hold water on their own. We'll have to see if TBC ever address it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:19, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Until such time as we have a shred of evidence to go on, I've termed it "The Meetingplace of the Broternal Order" and left it at that. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:14, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

::::No, it's still [[The Bar]] that they're in. The same one as [[Theme Song Video]] and [[Summer Short Shorts]]. It's the same wood paneling, the same lamp, the same dartboard, and the same pennant on the wall. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:47, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

== tricycle recipe ==

here is a recipe for a tricycle fron surflounge.com/recipes
*Tricycle (TX Shooter)
**Equal parts:
**Midori
**Malibu
**Banana Liquer
**Milk
**Do not over pour milk or drink will suck!

 ive never heard of a tricycle recipe, but here one is...{{User:Csours/sig}} 01:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

==songs==

That club song is a recycled tune. The last time we heard it (last email) Homestar was hanging upside down singing "blacking out, blacking out, blacking out." & the easter egg song was from Disney's 'Duck Tales'.
:"The NeverEnding Story"? Don't think that's so. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, "blacking out, blacking out, blacking out" does sound kinda like "ever and more, ever and more, ever and more". --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 09:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I don't think it does. They sound somepletely different to me. The only similarity is repeating a phrase three times. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 02:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Homestar in the bathtub is a reference to DuckTales, and Homestar hanging upside down is a reference to The Never Ending Story. Ever and More was last used in [[the movies]] and should be mentioned under [[songs]]. [[User:Elkmiester||\|/[_}-Elkmiester-{_]\|/|]]

==Pirates of the Carribean==

If it was checkable, I'd bet money that the brothers chaps had that new pirates of the carribean movie as inspiration here. Anyone know what I'm talking about? [[User:68.44.199.208|68.44.199.208]] 02:27, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

:Not me, but fraternal organizations are a common entity in the US, so likely not a direct reference to any one film. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:31, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

::Having seen the movie, I see absolutely no connection whatsoever, but maybe that's just me. Not only is there no seen in the movie where there is a bathtub of gold, but none of the storyline or names are represented at all. No multiple manifestations of the main character, Marzipan is not used to represent either of the two major female characters who make the movie. Besides the fact that there is a closeknit brotherhood, drinking, group singing, and gold-- all reminiscent of virtually every pirate show since Pirates of Penzance, what part here makes you think of Pirates?--[[User:71.203.169.248|71.203.169.248]] 17:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

:I really doubt it. It reminds me of the Flintstones more than PotC (after all, the Loyal Order of Water Buffaloes wear funny helmets). Plus, this wasn't a group of bellicose chieftains trying to save their kind: it was a meeting of a fraternal organization. If it were checkable, I'd bet money that they didn't have PotC in mind. :) [[User:Pensivepoet.babblingbard|Pensivepoet.babblingbard]] 18:58, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

== Brother of Town ==

This is like the first time that anyone's ever treated the King of Town with any respect at all. Homestar invited him up to demonstrate a secret handshake with them. Maybe this is just cuz he's the only one who could actually DO a 'secret handshake' since neither of em have hands. --[[User:Abelhawk|Abelhawk]] 04:21, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
: Seems fairly obvious, to me, that the KoT was simply chosen for the joke - he's the only main character present besides Homestar with no hands. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:41, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:: My first thought when Homestar said "handshake" was that Marzipan'd turn up, but I guess she wouldn't be in a brotherhood, what with the whole "female" thing and such... and I doubt Homsar would be able to pull off the whole handshake thing... so yeah, that only leaves KoT, out of the main 12. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 10:27, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:::When Strong Bad and The Cheat practice it, they don't use their hands/arms, even though they ''clearly'' have them. A lack of visible arms is apparently not a factor. [[User:Neox|Neox]]
::::I think the joke is the have no visible arms, and then we see Strong Bad and The Cheat practice as if they also had no visible arms. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 17:21, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

== Rollover Minutes ==

It has been suggested we discuss this before STUFFing it. What do you think about keeping this as a reference to at&t (formerly Cingular) Wireless' Rollover feature? It is obviously true, but it could be taken by some readers as an advertisement for the company. Thoughts? I am for keeping it personally.
[[User:PlasticDiverGuy|PlasticDiverGuy]] 06:36, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
: Who, precisely, are you arguing with? I don't see that there's any disagreement over this fact. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

::I don't think the advertising factor is a problem — we're listing factual information to help explain the toon and linking to a non-commercial website. So, I think it should be okay. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

:PDG, I notice that you put on the STUFF page that this fact was added and removed. It was not removed; it was moved to a different place in Fun Facts. I think that might be the source of any confusion. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:58, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, I didn't think to look to see if it had been moved first. My bad guys for pouring Fweska over the entry. [[User:PlasticDiverGuy|PlasticDiverGuy]] 16:55, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

== Coach Z's Helmet ==

I have serious doubts on calling Coach Z's helmet a "Gladiator Helmet." The only distinctly gladiator helmet I know of is the Murmillo (fishman) helmet, and that certainly wasn't one. It kinda looks Greek (300 reference maybe?), but I'd guess it's either that or an early middle ages helmet (Saxon is what comes into my head). It's the nose guard. Not prevalent in a lot of roman helmets. I'm not extremely well informed on the subject, but it's just my thoughts, and I think it should probably just be called an iron war helmet or something.
:It's a barbute. Google it for pictures. Closest medieval helmet I could find, but the shape is distinct enough that I can say, beyond any reasonable doubt, that Coach Z's helmet was a barbute -- and therefore I edited this page and the Order's page.
::<s>I disagree. Wikipedia provides pictures way different from Coach Z's helmet. Although, I also have no idea what it could be. First thing I think of is knights of the medieval times...</s> Nope, nevermind. [[Wikipedia:Barbute|Wikipedia's]] description definitely shows Coach Z's helmet is a barbute. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 17:09, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

== Burping video game music ==

Strong Bad's comment about burping video game music reminded me immediately of Wakko Warner from [[Wikipedia:Animaniacs|Animaniacs]]'s performances burping out various songs, enough that I thought it could be a reference. I don't know if such a gag was specific to Wakko, though, so I thought I'd bring it up here first. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 19:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

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== Icons 2 ==

I was just curious about icons. Is it possible to have icons to go along with our names like on You Tube or Habbo Hotel or something? I just thought that would be pretty cool, I've always wanted to have one of those. Thanks for reading my message!

-Nick

I'd like to have an icon saying "Holy Crap" in my signature... hey, wait! I do! {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 23:02, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

: To answer the question, see [[HRWiki:Signature|this page]]. Be forewarned; there's a limit to how large you can make the image. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:10, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I have tried to cut and paste an image to make a signature, but when I paste in the "signature" box, it just creates a space. Please help me here.

[[User:Drippingyellowmadness|Dripping yella]] 16:14, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:You don't just ''"cut and paste"'' it, you have to upload it [[Special:Upload|here]] before putting the text <nowiki>[[Image:</nowiki>'''Your image name.PNG'''<nowiki>]]</nowiki> on your signature line. (P.S. it can also be .GIF, .JPG, .JPEG, or even .BMP, although that last one is highly unrecomended) Then put your username before it, save the page, and insert <nowiki>{{User:</nowiki>'''USERNAME'''<nowiki>/sig}}</nowiki> wherever you want it to appear. {{User:Supuhstar/sig}}

== Little box things ==

How do you get those little box things that are on everyones pages that say stuff like "This user has a hstarr T-shirt"?
:See [[HRWiki:Userbox]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:21, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

== New content RSS ==

I've written a Flash scraper in Perl that detects new content added to homestarrunner.com. It runs each day at 6:50 AM America/Chicago time and creates an RSS feed that I post to my website. Would this be a valuable addition to hrwiki.org? If so, where would be a good place to post it? http://www.chrisdolan.net/homestarrunner/hsr.rss [[User:ChrisDolan|ChrisDolan]] 14:45, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks, Chris, but a once-a-day automatic check is unnecessary given the hundreds of users and anonnies from a vast number of time zones who check each day and post here what they find. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:18, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

::Actually, I meant FOR the users, not for HRWiki. I use that feed to tell me when new content is on homestarrunner.com so I don't have to go there manually or go to hrwiki.org manually. Does hrwiki.org have a feed I can subscribe to that has links to any new content? [[User:ChrisDolan|ChrisDolan]] 21:26, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

:::There's [http://theblackforge.net/hrwiki.xml this feed], provided and hosted by [http://www.theblackforge.net/ theblackforge.net]. More information can be found in [http://www.livejournal.com/community/syn_promo/2005/06/23/ this livejournal post], [http://www.livejournal.com/users/hrwikiupdates/ the livejournal feed page], and [http://www.livejournal.com/userinfo.bml?user=hrwikiupdates the livejournal feed info page]. For feeds provided by the wiki itself, see [[HRWiki:Feeds]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:30, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

== Summary editing ==

I made my first contribution (oooh, how exciting!) but forgot to put something in the summary box, is there a way i can still add a summary to explain the contribution i made? I tried to go back and leave a Summary (without editing anything else) but it didn't work. Thanks in advance. {{unsigned|Adaman|15:43, 29 October 2006 (UTC)}}
:Nope, there's no way to change the edit summary of a past edit. What you [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=coloring&diff=379459&oldid=379456 did] is pretty much the standard if you want to clarify a summary... just make another minor edit and put the summary there. You have to make some change... if the wiki text is exactly the same, it won't save... just adding or removing a space somewhere is enough if you can't find some minor punctuation to fix (see [[Meta:Help:Dummy_edit]]). If you want, there is an option in your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]], at the bottom of the "Editing" section, that'll warn you if you're about to save an edit without a summary. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 16:42, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

== Summaries ==

I feel stupid asking this, but how do I get the arrows in the edit summary that link to the part of the article I just edited? I looked around, but I couldn't see it mentioned anywhere. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 12:32, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
:Do this: <tt><nowiki>/* (Header) */ (Edit Summary)</nowiki></tt>. Replace "(Header)" with the header, and "(Edit summary)" with your edit summary. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, as [[User:213.249.155.240|213.249.155.240]] (not logged in), 12:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
::If you click the "edit" link next to a header, it'll automatically fill in the /* Header */ bit. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 13:01, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Thank you! {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 00:26, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

== downloads ==

are downloads free?? {{unsigned|69.40.157.27|15:41, 4 November 2006 (UTC)}}
:Nope. Please make checks payable to: It's dot com, c/o Homestar Runner Wiki. Seriously, what are you talking about? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:18, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
::He's clearly referring to the underground wares server we have running. Just let me show him around back.... — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 19:03, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

== custom nav? ==

I've been wanting to add some custom navigation links for things I frequently go to on the wiki. I understand in theory how I would do this, and I'm sure if I sat down for a few hours someday I could set it up with a custom monobook.cs and monobook.js to insert what I want and style it appropriately.

But I'd rather not re-invent the wheel. I can see (mostly from looking at the "admin" style customizations on the wikipedia) many examples, but there doesn't seem to be any documentation. (It's all "''look at the source luke!''"-style documentation).

Any pointers? (That don't involve digging through spaghetti to try and reverse engineer?)
:Perhaps the watchlist would be a good start...? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Or possibly [[Help:Quickbar]]? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 14:51, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

== Personal Logo Change ==

I was reading the talk page for Logo Redesign 2006 and I read that it's possible to make the logo look like what you want and it will only for your account. If it's possible how would I do it? - {{User:Flamer8965/sig-holiday}} 06:00, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
:Add this to your [[Special:Mypage/monobook.css|monobook.css]] file:
<code><nowiki>#p-logo a { background: url(http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/c/c9/Homestarpedia.png/146px-Homestarpedia.png) 35% 50% no-repeat !important; }</nowiki></code>
:Replace "<nowiki>http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/c/c9/Homestarpedia.png/146px-Homestarpedia.png</nowiki>" with the URL of the logo you want to use. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 06:36, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
::Speaking of which, how do you get it to alternate between logos?--{{User:H*bad/sig}} 00:07, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

== Dag, yo! That'sa pretty nice! ==

Hey, check out the '''Cast''' section for [[A Decemberween Pageant]]... ''Discussion moved to [[HRWiki talk:Standards#Cast list formatting|HRWiki talk:Standards → Cast list formatting]].''

== How to get an icon or catch phrase. ==

I sometimes see users at the forum have catch phrases or icons. How do I get one for myself?
:These are easily changed under your Profile on the forum (though you need a separate account there). --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

:That would actually be a question for the Forum; this is pretty much an entirely separate community. In any case, I see this must be your first time on an Internet forum (or at least phpBB). The "catch phrases" (signatures), and "icons" (avatars) can both be set in your preferences, accessible at the top of the page. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 00:45, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

== Pictures (Yes, I am new here) ==

How to people get great pictues to upload? Do they pause the flash file? And if so, how do they capture the picure?
:There should be a "Print Screen" button on your keyboard next to insert, scroll lock, home, and the like. Press that button, paste it on a program, and upload it. That button takes a screenshot of your computer screen. {{User:Theyellowdart/sig}}
::See also [[Help:Image]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
I have tried to press print screen (Prt Sc) several times on the flash file and at a page for a test. Neither worked. What gives?
:That just pastes it to the clipboard. Did you try pasting it into an image editing program? - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 23:59, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, it worked but now... my picture is a bmp. How do I avoid this?
:Under save as, select "PNG" under the "Save as type" menu. Also, remember to sign your username with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 17:18, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I can't find the Print Screen button. Are they on Mac keyboards? {{User:16 BIT MARIO1/sig}} 23:34, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

:For a Mac, you probably want to use the "Grab" application (in Applications/Utilities on my computer) to take screenshots — there is no Print Screen key. Let me know if that doesn't help. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:36, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

::It worked, thanks.{{User:16 BIT MARIO1/sig}} 23:39, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

:::Great! Also, I looked at [[Wikipedia:Screenshot#Mac OS X]], and it turns out that you can use Command+Shift+3 to take a screenshot without the Grab application. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:39, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

== Monobook Change Background ==

Can you change the background for yourself in your monobook and if so how? - {{User:Austio888888/sig}} 00:05, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
:Oh, look [[Hrfwiki:X66x66%27s_How_to/Monobook.css|here]] It explaines how to change the logo, background and another thing I havn't tested yet.--[[User:X66x66|X66x66]] 00:16, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

== The userpages ==

People have these little boxes on thier userpages that say things like "this user is right handed" or "the cheat is this users favorite character" how do i get these? And also how do you get the little pictures of things on your name? {{unsigned|Fhqwgad|15:06, 28 January 2007 (UTC)}}

:The little boxes are [[HRWiki:Userboxes|userboxes]], follow that link for more info. And the signature images are explained pretty fully at [[Help:Signature]]. Read those and feel free to ask any questions on those articles' talk pages. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 15:11, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

== Homepage & Talk ==

What things should I put in my homepage? Also, how do I put a "talk" icon over my signature? [[User:Drippingyellowmadness|Dripping yella]] 16:11, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

:See [[Help:Signature]]. And, you could make some [[HRWiki:Userboxes|userboxes]]! {{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 16:14, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

::That worked like a charm. I was just wondering how to make the talk text above (as well as to the right of) my signature like "the joe" does. [[User:Drippingyellowmadness|Dripping yella]] ([[User talk:Drippingyellowmadness|talk]]) 19:38, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
:::That's clever use of the <code><nowiki></nowiki></code> tags. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::::w00t! That works great. One last thing: I found how to add color to my signature on the help:signature page, I just don't know how to fill it it for my ''own'' signature (particularly hexcode, font-family, font, and Username. I hope you can help out! [[User:Drippingyellowmadness|Dripping yella]] ([[User talk:Drippingyellowmadness|talk]]) 20:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::Dunno how to help ya there, sorry. Also, don't forget the closing tag. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::::::Can someone ask "the yellow dart" about this? He seems to have it down. [[User:Drippingyellowmadness|Dripping yella]] ([[User talk:Drippingyellowmadness|talk]]) 20:40, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
*Here, let me paste parts of my signature down, so you can learn off of that... <nowiki>[[User:Theyellowdart|'''TheYellowDart''']]</nowiki>. enter your username, find a font (mine was Courier New), and put a color down (like darkorange). {{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 21:47, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

That, my friend, is jumbo/large.
[[User: Dripping yellow madness| Drippingyellowmadness]] ([[User talk:Drippingyellowmadness|talk]])

*Ouch, your sig hurts my eyes. Try a darker color. I mean, my name has "yellow" in it, but I picked orange! {{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 22:19, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

How is this?: [[User: Dripping yellow madness| Drippingyellowmadness]] ([[User talk:Drippingyellowmadness|talk]])
Also, where do I insert <nowiki>([[User talk:Drippingyellowmadness|talk]])</nowiki> if i want to add color to my talk icon?
:Looks grood. Okay, take Bubsty's sig for example: <nowiki>[[User talk:Bubsty|'''''My''''' '''''talk''''']]</nowiki>, but of course, that's changing it into two colors. --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 22:58, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

I swear that this is my '''LAST QUESTION ON THIS TOPIC!!!''' how do I put my signature code in my signature box so that when I type 3 or 4 tidles, [[User: Dripping yellow madness| Drippingyellowmadness]] ([[User talk:Drippingyellowmadness|talk]]) comes up. So far I have just copied and pasted the sig code onto the FAQs page. [[User: Drippingyellowmadness| Drippingyellowmadness]] ([[User talk:Drippingyellowmadness|talk]]) 

*Okay, I fixed it for you. Now, all you have to type in is <nowiki>{{User:Drippingyellowmadness/sig}}</nowiki> and there you go. Don't worry, you can ask all the questions you want. I'm glad to help you. {{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 23:17, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! Finished product: {{User:Drippingyellowmadness/sig}}

== New Recuit ==

hey everybody! My name is hrfreak. I'm looking very forward to posting new pages! So, there you go!

hrfreak!

:Hi, hrfreak! I appreciate your eagerness. Be aware that what we need more than new pages is maintenance and update of current pages. If you really want to contribute, I recommend you read all the documents found through the Help link at the top left. Observe the more prolific editors and see what they do right and what they don't do right. And as someone wisely said, "Whenever I do something, I think 'Would an idiot do that?' and if they would, I do ''not'' do that thing." :) Look for opportunities to help which are really helpful, and don't be so eager that you do unnecessary things. And by all means, have fun exploring the resource; after all, that's the main reason why we're here. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:50, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

== How to get a gif ==
[[Image:GIMP installer open or save.jpg|thumb|This is the screen I get.]]
[[Image:After opening.jpg|thumb|This is what I get after pressing open.]]
I may never use it in my life, but I was curious on how to get a gif and if it is possible to get a gif off of a screenshot. Thanks, {{User:Drippingyellowmadness/sig}} 21:59, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
:[[Wikipedia:GIF|GIF]] is just an image file format, most every image editing program (even MSPaint) can save to GIF, but we tend not to prefer it on the wiki, as [[Wikipedia:PNG|PNG]] is a far-superior format. Unless of course you're talking about ''animated'' GIFs, which are a whole different beast entirely. You can't make an animated GIF from "a screenshot", since the screenshot loses all the animation... you'd have to take ''lots'' of screenshots, one for each frame, and then manipulate them in some program that'll create the GIF for you... which is rarely worth the effort. But since you're curious, [[Wikipedia:The_GIMP|The_GIMP]] is a free image-editing program that's capable of making animated GIFs... just put each frame on its own layer, and save to GIF – you'll have the option of making it an animation. There's other things available, like optimisation and such, but that's the basics. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 01:43, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
:: What sort of file should I open GIMP under? Give some examples please. I'm not too deep into computer filenames. {{User:Drippingyellowmadness/sig}} 18:53, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Just download the installer then run it. It really shouldn't matter what you name it, because it'll put the GIMP files in the same place when it installs. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 03:31, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
::::Run what and where? When I finish downloading GIMP, I get this screen: ''(first image at the right)''. Upon pressing open or save, I get this screen: ''(second image at the right)''.
:::::You need an extracting program, such as [[Wikipedia:7-Zip|7-Zip]]. Open the ZIP file in 7-Zip, and then run the GIMP EXE file. It's a standard installer from there. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 14:00, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

== Subpages ==

I want to make a Work-in-Progress page. How can I go about doing that? —{{User:Supuhstar/sig}}

:Append "/anything" to your userpage and start editing. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:25, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

::What do you mean; please explain. —{{User:Supuhstar/sig}}

:::Like, my sig ([[User:Bluebry/sig]]) is a subpage. Just make a page titled User:Supuhstar/, and then whatever you want the subpage title to be behind the <s>backslash</s> forward slash. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 21:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::::Okay! Thanks! Still on my favorate users list! —{{User:Supuhstar/sig}}

:::::(That's a forward slash, by the way. The distinction is important, because a forward slash will create a subpage, but a backslash will not.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:43, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

== Cool Formating ==

I ''love'' the kind of formatting that's in [[User:Lapper|Lapper's page]], but don't know how to do it right; it just keeps [[User:Supuhstar/Work_in_Progress|backfiring on me]]. can anyone help? —{{User:Supuhstar/sig}}

:You'll learn very, very quickly that copy-and-pasting CSS is one of the easiest ways to have to do as much work as possible. This is especially true when you neglect to close multiple tags, as visible on that page. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 15:30, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

== Need a new password, but can't get it ==
I'm trying to log in, but I've forgotten my password. Since I didn't enter an email address, the site won't send me a new password. What should I do?

:I'm afraid there's nothing you can do, since you didn't enter an email address — there's no way for administrators to access your password information. Keep trying to enter different possible passwords, but if that doesn't work, you're welcome to create a new account. I hope that helps, but I'm sorry we're not able to do more. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:00, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
== Personal images ==
Why can't we have more than two personal images? I mean, it's not like they're dangerous or anything, unless they have virus' attached to them. Maybe you should think about virus protection on this site.

:We limit to two personal images because (a) it's a good solid number; you shouldn't need any more, and (b) to conserve space and transfer that might be squandered on too many personal images. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 15:28, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

== Background images ==

how do i get a background on my user page?[[User:Haddiman|Haddiman]]

:A while ago a line of code was removed that allowed <nowiki><div></nowiki> to have inline backgrounds. Just create a <nowiki><div></nowiki> that encompasses your entire page, and attach background properties to that. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 15:26, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

== Navbar ==

I made a navigation bar I'm gunna put on my user page ([[User:Homestar-winner/navbar|here]]), but it doesn't look really good yet. Could you make the spaces between the links so it looks a bit better? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 22:34, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:You can make spaces by using &nsp; and you could also put | between them for better distinction.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:36, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
::That doesn't work. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 23:00, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Probably because he meant &n'''b'''sp;. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:23, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

== Alla this ==
Can someone please tell me how to do alla this? I just signed up and I don't know how to do anything on here. --[[User:Rosie posie|Rosie posie]] 01:20, 3 May 2007 (UTC)Rosie Posie

:What exactly would you like help with? Perhaps a good place to start would be at [[HRWiki:Introduction]], but if you have any more specific questions, feel free to ask. Welcome to the wiki! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:26, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

== Signature ==

Make it as SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE for me to understand this: How do you add stuff to your signature? I saw all of that mumbo jombo on the signature page, but I don't understand it.--[[User:Brad|Brad]] 14:27, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

:Hi Brad, thanks for your input. What specifically should be explained better? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 14:29, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

==New page==

Can someone help me make a page?

:For the most part, we don't need as many new pages as we do contributions to existing ones. Many new pages are often on an insignificant subject matter or are otherwise pooly made, and when put up for deletion, often cause feelings to be hurt. We're glad to have you willing to contribute, but try working your way around the wiki for a while before deciding to create a new page. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 16:07, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
::He asked for help in making a page, not whether he should do it. I don't imagine someone who is seeking technical information (that is otherwise freely available) would appreciate those who have the information withholding it from him simply because they don't think he will use it properly.
::Topazian: To create a page, a simple way to do it is to type the exact page title you want into the search field at the left (including the [[Help:namespace|namespace]], if applicable) and press Enter. Assuming the page does not already exist, the system will inform you of this fact and provide a red link for you to create the page. Click on the link and you will be given an editing window. Enter your content, and then preview and save the page. When choosing a page title, pay attention to things like proper capitalization and spelling. If you're creating an article, be sure you read our [[HRWiki:standards|standards]] and [[HRWiki:inclusion guidelines|inclusion guidelines]] before doing any significant editing, and be sure to search the site to make sure that the topic is not already covered under a different title. If the community decides the page is needed then they will add to and improve it; otherwise, it might be merged with another article or removed. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:05, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Dot com, i noticed an oversight in the autopipe that involves the instructions you just gave. I have no way to create the page "goat", short of creating it elsewhere and then moving it. Is there a way to fix this? (or some option i overlooked that does make it possible?) {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:10, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
::::It's still possible. You can for example change the URL to "goat". That page will autoredirect you to [[Goats]] where you can click on "redirected from [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=goat&redirect=no goat]" to create the page.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 19:17, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Yes. See [[HRWiki:Autopipe/Autoredirect]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:24, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::I'm an idiot... Shoulda looked there first. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:35, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

== Editing Problems ==

The "Edit Button" on a page I'm creating has gome away but I want to add more. What do I do?
:There should be an edit tab at the tippy-top of the page regardless of there not being an [edit] button. Hope this helps. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 04:27, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

== Email Tryouts: Pass or Fail? ==

How do I know if I officially passed of failed. I just got a reply that said '''Pa-pa-pa-pass'''. Is this an official pass or just an opinion?

:...Are we talking about the email tryouts on Fanstuff? If so, here is not the place. You should bring it up on the Email tryouts talk page. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 00:24, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

== UTC ==

What does (UTC) mean?
:Coordinated Universal Time. More information [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coordinated_Universal_Time here]. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 00:28, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

== How can you tell? ==

I was wondering, how can you tell if people are sysops?
:Go [[Special:Listusers/sysop|here]] for a list of sysops. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 03:21, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

== "Reverted edit N by User (Talk) (reason)" ==

I see this particular message all the time in edit histories, usually when someone reverts vandalism. However, unless I type it out manually and go to find the edit number myself, I never seem to get that message when I go to revert. Is that message the result of some sysop-only feature? Or is it a button or automatic function I've somehow missed? Just curious. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 21:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

:That's the "undo revision" feature, [[HRWiki:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.9#Undo revision|new in MediaWiki 1.9]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:27, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

::Really? I've seen messages in that format a lot longer than MediaWiki 1.9 has been around. Odd... {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 22:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

:::You may be remembering the rollback feature, which has been available to sysops for a while and leaves a similar message, but the undo function just came out and is available to all users. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

::::Ah, I see. That explains it - thanks. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 22:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== UB question ==

can you create your own Userboxes? If so do the pictures you put in them automaticly format so they are small?[[User:Foogs|Foogs]] 14:05, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, you can create your own userboxes, provided that they are Homestar Runner-related. Images are not automatically formatted, but you can do it by specifying the the width of the image like so: <code><nowiki>[[Image:FILENAME|41px]]</nowiki></code> (the number of pixels might need to be tweaked depending on the height of the image. Hope that helps, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:46, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help i just made one. is it allowed to put it on the UB page?[[User:Foogs|Foogs]] 14:54, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

:Sure — if you think other people would be interested in using it, go ahead and add it to [[HRWiki:Userbox]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:28, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

== Are you allowed to have images on your page? ==

Are you allowed to have images on your userpage here? Because some other wikis don't allow that unless they're personal images. I think it would be a good idea to ask first. {{User:Zapdos/sig}} 01:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:Sure, go right ahead! You can use pretty much any image you want, even another user's personal image. Speaking of personal images, you are only allowed to have two of them. See our [[HRWiki:Personal images|personal image policy]] for more info. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 01:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

== Why is my comment getting "STUFFED"? ==

I tried twice to add an entry under "Real-World References," but my comment was immediately deleted. I actually wasn't the only one; someone else tried to add a similar comment and couldn't.

Any idea why?

Ever and More

2007-06-27T20:14:01Z

Maristredfox: /* Real-World References */

{{toonnav|Shorts|helmets|One Two, One Two|Strong Bad Sings}}
[[Image:Ever and More.png|thumb|"And now, to help me demonstrate the new secret handshake, I call forth Brother of Town!"]]
The [[Broternal Order of Different Helmets]] have a meeting.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Coach Z]], [[Strong Sad]], [[Bubs]], [[Strong Mad]], [[The Poopsmith]], [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]], [[Pom Pom]], [[King of Town]], [[The Cheat]]

'''Places:''' [[The Bar]], [[Bathroom of the Brothers Strong]] (Easter egg)

'''Date:''' Tuesday, June 26, 2007

'''Running Time:''' 2:50

'''Page Title:''' B.O.D.H. Local 1-1-Style

==Transcript==
''{Open on Coach Z and Strong Sad sitting at a table. Coach Z is wearing a barbute, and Strong Sad is wearing his astronaut helmet}''

'''COACH Z:''' Oh, it's like a tricycle, but with nineteen wheels instead of three!

'''STRONG SAD:''' Coach Z, that's a ''horrible'' recipe!

'''COACH Z:''' Lemme run this one by ya. We start with a pound of rubber cement...

''{Cut to another view of the table, with Strong Mad, Bubs and The Poopsmith. Strong Mad is wearing a Nacho football helmet on top of his head, Bubs is wearing a fire helmet, and The Poopsmith is wearing a Judge Dredd helmet}''

'''BUBS:''' I haven't been able to fit into my lucky pants for almost ten years! That's why come I'm in such a bad mood all the time!

'''STRONG MAD:''' I CAN LET OUT THE WAIST ''{Holds up needle and an extremely short length of thread}'' A LITTLE BIT FOR YOU!

'''BUBS:''' Hey, that'd be a sweet deal I couldn't refuse!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{offscreen}'' Order!

''{Strong Mad, Bubs and The Poopsmith pay attention. Cut to Homestar, who's wearing his horned Viking helmet and banging a chicken drumstick on the table}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Order! I hereby call this meeting of the Broternal Order of Different Helmets to order! Now let us begin with a rousing rendition of our frothy, shanty chant. ''{Waving drumstick like a conductor's baton}'' And one, two, three!

''{Cut to another view of the table. Bubs, Strong Bad and Coach Z are visible. Strong Bad is wearing a miner's helmet}''

'''ALL:''' ''{singing}'' Ever and more, ever and more, ever and more!

''{Cut to another view. Strong Sad and Pom Pom are visible. Pom Pom is wearing a Samurai helmet. Strong Sad isn't singing and has his arms folded}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Singing—

'''ALL:''' ''{singing}'' Ever and more, ever and more, ever and more!

''{Cut back to Homestar}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' One more time!

''{Cut to a shot of The Poopsmith, The King of Town and Strong Sad, slowly zooming out. The King of Town is wearing an Imperial German Army helmet}''

'''ALL:''' ''{singing, getting higher at the end}'' Ever and more...

''{Cut to Bubs, Strong Bad and Coach Z, slowly panning left}''

'''ALL:''' ...ever and more...

''{Cut to The Cheat next to Strong Mad. The Cheat is wearing an old-fashioned British policeman's hat.}''

'''ALL:''' ...ever and more!

''{Cut back to Homestar}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Strong Sad! Why weren't you singing?

''{Cut to Strong Sad}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' I don't believe in the message!

''{Cut to a view of Pom Pom, Homestar and The Cheat}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Uh, yes you do. All in favor?

''{Cut to Bubs, Strong Bad and Coach Z}''

'''ALL EXCEPT STRONG SAD:''' Aye!

''{Cut back to Pom Pom, Homestar and The Cheat}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' All opposed?

''{Cut to Strong Sad}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Nay!

''{Cut back to Pom Pom, Homestar and The Cheat}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' The ayes win! ''{He ducks under the table and reappears next to Strong Sad}'' You believe in the message now!

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{Slapping Homestar on the back and smiling}'' I really do!

''{Homestar ducks under the table and reappears in his original position}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' I now give the floor to our treasurer, regarding shiny new ways to misappropriate funds.

''{Cut to Bubs}''

'''BUBS:''' Thank you, Brotherstar Runnerbro... ther. Well, I've taken the minutes ''{holds them up, music starts playing}'' from last's month's meeting and sold them as rollover minutes ''{holds up another piece of paper with a picture of [[Homsar]] on it}'' to third world countries! ''{places both pieces of paper down}'' Then I bought myself, I mean the Broternal Order of Different Helmets, a jetski! ''{holds up a jetski, slightly knocking the light, and puts it down}'' But then I wrecked it and broke my shin! ''{holds up crumpled leg}'' So now my rubbing ointment ''{holds it up}'' costs fifty bucks a tube!

''{Record scratch sound effect. Music stops. Cut back to Homestar}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Fantastic! And now, to help me demonstrate the new secret handshake, I call forth, Brother of Town.

''{The King of Town comes onscreen}''

'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' Boooo-ooo! 
'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{Offscreen, simultaneously}'' Yaaaaay!

''{Homestar and the King of Town move around for a second}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Everybody got it? This: ''{The word "This" appears onscreen, then Homestar moves around as three arrows appear onscreen}'' Then this: ''{The words "Then this" appears onscreen, then Homestar moves around some more and more complex arrows, including one that branches into three, appear on the screen}'' And now Brother Strong Bad, with his weekly power play.

''{Cut to Strong Bad}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{Clears throat, then speaks angrily}'' What's the matter with you guys? I should be in charge here! Why is Homestar running this secret club? ''{banging his fist on the table}'' Singing songs and secret handshakes? That's rejected Girl Scout camp material! Put me in charge, and we'll be hitting each other with wooden stools until the morning light! Eating triple-fried pork rinds and burping video game music six ways till Tuesday! "Ever and More"? That's horse puckey, you fools! It's all marketing mumbo jumbo! ''{upset}'' Don't believe a word of it!!

''{Strong Bad pants and shakes. Homestar leans onscreen.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Thank you, Strong Bad. We look forward to hearing from you next week.

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{subdued}'' Thank you, Supreme Overlord.

''{Homestar leans offscreen. Cut to Homestar}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' And with that, our meeting is adjourned. So everybody buddy up and get to work on that secret handshake. I'm gonna go take a bath in a pile of gold coins.

''{Homestar walks offscreen. Cut to Strong Bad and The Cheat imitating the movements Homestar and the King of Town made earlier, with their hands on their hips. Cut to the words "end, friend." on a black screen}''

==Easter Eggs==
*Click on "friend." at the end of the short to see Homestar Runner laying in a bathtub full of gold coins in the bathroom of the Brothers Strong.
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{singing to the tune of the ''[[Wikipedia:DuckTales|DuckTales]]'' theme song}'' Lasers, race cars, aeroplanes, doot doo, ah-doot doo!

==Fun Facts==

===Explanations===
*"Broternal" is a [[portmanteau]] of "brotherhood" and "fraternal", two adjectives that are often found in names of male-only secret societies.
*Rollover minutes, offered by [[Wikipedia:AT&T Mobility|AT&T Mobility]] (formerly Cingular Wireless), are unused wireless phone minutes from one month that can be carried over and used in the next.
*[[Wikipedia:Minutes|Meeting minutes]] are a summary of what was discussed at a meeting.
*The page title conforms to the practice of referring to a [[Wikipedia:Local union|local union]] as a "local" followed by that local union's number. These organizations are also commonly named "brotherhoods" or "fraternal orders".

===Trivia===
*This toon's [[Irregular Loading Screens|loading screen]] reads, "loading, friend."

===Goofs===
[[Image:StrongMadMouth everandmore.png|thumb|I HAVE A FUNNY MOUTH!]]
*When Strong Mad holds up the needle, his "O" mouth animation causes an extra line to overlap the needle.
*There are numerous inconsistencies regarding the placement of the characters around the table. For instance, in the first shot Coach Z is on Strong Sad's right, but in a later shot (during the song) The King of Town appears on Strong Sad's right. Also, the Poopsmith is on Bubs's left when he is talking about his lucky pants, but when they are singing "Ever and More!" Strong Bad is on Bubs' left.

===Inside References===
* Strong Sad's astronaut costume was previously seen in [[senior prom]], though he's only wearing the helmet part here.
* The order's song was previously sung by Homestar in [[the movies]]. Homestar also wore the [[horned helmet]] in that email.
* Strong Bad's miner helmet was seen in the emails [[cheatday]] and [[different town]].
* The King of Town's German army helmet is similar to the one [[The Kaiser]], his [[Old-Timey]] counterpart, wears.
* The Broternal Order's secret handshake is another reference to characters' [[lack of visible arms]].
* This is an occurrence of [[Strong Sad smiling]].
* The pennant on the wall reads "[[LEMKE]]!".
* Bubs's jetski is labeled "WETSKi", another instance of [[lowercase i's]].
* Bubs mentions his lucky [[pants]].
* Pom Pom's [[Wikipedia: samurai|samurai]] helmet is a reference to Pom Pom's [[Pom Pom#Fighting Skills|martial arts skills]].
* The webpage title mentions [[style]].
* Coach Z is drinking a [[Coldson Lite]].
* Bubs mentions the words [[Why Come]].

===Real-World References===
[[Image:Cold Ones Light Old Style.png|thumb|Old Style Cold Ones]]
*The Poopsmith is wearing [[Wikipedia:Judge Dredd|Judge Dredd]]'s helmet.
*The [[Cold Ones]] Light poster closely resembles the [[Wikipedia:Pabst Brewing Company#Old Style|Old Style]] beer logo.
*The lyrics Homestar sings in the bathtub of gold coins are a rearranged segment of the theme song to [[Wikipedia:Disney|Disney]]'s ''[[Wikipedia:DuckTales|DuckTales]],'' with the lines "racecars, lasers, aeroplanes" changed to "lasers, racecars, aeroplanes, and "It's a duck blur" replaced with "Doot do, ah doot-do." Homestar's behavior mirrors [[Wikipedia: Scrooge McDuck|Scrooge McDuck]]'s, who enjoyed diving through his coin-filled [[Wikipedia:Money Bin|Money Bin]].
*The name of Bubs' ointment, Bubrub, is a reference to Bubb Rubb, an [[Wikipedia:Internet celebrity|internet celebrity]] who became famous for his comments during a local news report about whistle-tip muffler attachments.

== External Links ==
* [[HR:helmets.html|watch "Ever and More!"]]
* [[HR:helmets.swf|view the Flash file for "Ever and More!"]]
* [[Forum:11746|forum thread re: "Ever and More!"]]

{{subtitlesLinks|helmets}}
[[Category:Shorts]]

Super Brave!!

2007-05-14T15:55:36Z

Maristredfox:

[[Image:Superbrave.jpg|thumb|right|220px|These kids rule]]

'''Super Brave!!''' was a [[homestarrunner.com]] [[H*R.com updates 2003|update]] for February 21, 2003. It featured a class full of [[Wikipedia:Japanese people|Japanese]] kids who had each drawn a picture of [[Homestar Runner]]. You could move the mouse over the kids and see a little drawing of each of them. On February 24, the [[Main Page Messages|Main Page message]] was renamed to '''"these kids rule"'''.

==The kids==

<gallery>
Image:Superbrave kid 4.png
Image:Superbrave kid 1.png
Image:Superbrave kid 6.png
Image:Superbrave kid 5.png
Image:Superbrave kid 7.png
Image:Superbrave kid 3.png
Image:Superbrave kid 2.png
Image:Superbrave kid 8.png
Image:Superbrave kid 9.png
</gallery>

==Fun Facts==

*These drawings would later be featured in the [[KaraokeFun|Karaoke Videos]].
*The [[Wikipedia:Seattle Mariners|Seattle Mariners]] are an [[Wikipedia:American League|American League]] baseball team. The drawing of the child in the Mariners shirt wears an "Ichiro" shirt, a reference to its most well-known player, [[Wikipedia:Ichiro Suzuki|Ichiro Suzuki]].
*The photo was taken by John Podeszwa at Waiokeola English School in [[Wikipedia:Osaka|Osaka]], [[Wikipedia:Japan|Japan]].

==External Links==

*[[Mirror:superbrave.swf|View the flash file for "Super Brave!!"]] (Mirror)
*[[Mirror:thesekidsrule.swf|View the flash file for "These kids rule"]] (Mirror)

[[Category: Fan Material]]

User talk:Defender1031

2007-05-14T15:45:05Z

Maristredfox: /* Periods inside of quotation marks */

== Welcome! ==
Hey, '''{{PAGENAME}}''', welcome to the Homestar Runner Wiki! We can always use new registered users around here, so I'm glad you're on. A word of warning, though: Before you do any major editing, you'll want to read up on [[HRWiki:Standards|our editing standards]]. And if this is the first [[Wikipedia:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] based wiki (or first wiki) you've used check out [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Index the MediaWiki User's Guide], or for quick reference, our [[Help:Editing]] page. If you have any questions that aren't answered on [[HRWiki:FAQ|our FAQ]], post them on [[HRWiki talk:FAQ|its talk page]], or you can [[User talk:ACupOfCoffee|ask me directly]]. Most people here are pretty good about [[Meatball:AssumeStupidityNotMalice|assuming stupidity [read: ignorance] rather than malice]] One last thing — always sign posts on talk pages with this: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> (it's an automatic signature and timestamp).
{{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 06:22, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

== Show Preview ==

DaFender, meet Show Preview. Show Preview, DaFender. Hey, this button allows you to see edits without having to actually save, so [[Special:Recentchanges|Recent Changes]] doesn't get flooded. Try it, you'll love it. Your money back if not satisfied! {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:49, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

== reply ==

Its O.K Dan, I'm just new. I'd like to become your friend. [[User:Sam the Man|Sam the Man]] 15:11, 3/9/07

== Not getting the first time ==

Regarding {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=unnatural&curid=31706&diff=429739&oldid=429737 this edit summary}}, no, the anonny may not have any idea why his or her edit disappeared, since new users aren't always aware of the list of recent changes and article histories. Incidentally, there is currently an item in [[HRWiki:STUFF|STUFF]] that discusses what to do with links to portmanteaus. It looks like a version with a link to the page (but which does not explain the joke) is going to win out. Talk atcha later. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
:Fine, thanks for the clarification. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC) P.S. I'm having a bit of trouble learning to have patience for anonnies and newbies. I realize this, I apologize, and I will try harder to keep my patience in the future.

== Userbox ==

What's up? Well, I just noticed, your page doesn't have a userbox. I recomend that you might want to have one. It can explain a lot about you. And they're fun too. Just a friendly notice from {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
:Happy now? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:40, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

== Hey Dude. ==

Hi there.
I tired to add this to the Senor Cardgage page.

Comparisons can be drawn between Senor Cardgage and real life furniture salesman Mark Norton known for his odd ball late night television advertisements. Usually seen between the hours of 1 and 3 A.M. on the Cleveland FOX affiliate which broadcasts into the Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, And South Eastern Ontario regions.

And you seem to have taken it down...
I apologize if what I added was in any way problematic, I realize I had used some incorrect punctuation and as such was about to fix that when then I noticed the original edit had been taken down. I mostly wanted to highlight the Indiana connection with the Chaps and the possibility that the commercials might have been an influence on the character since they did reside in Indiana for a time. They (the commercials) are now available on You Tube and this has already been the topic of some speculation.
Hope I haven’t inconvenienced you in any way.
Cheers.
Steve.
:I removed it because I felt that such a comparison was [[TTATOT]]. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 05:54, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Tis true but you might want to check the comercial out before you say that... I Remeber when I first saw one in 2004 it was pretty much the first thing that jumped to mind. Beware what lies within is not for the faint of heart...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqmht0YVcJQ

:Hey there, Taproots85, and welcome to the wiki! I can see the similarity between Senor Cardgage and that guy (though I'm not sure it's intended). Actually, somebody started a discussion about this [[Talk:Senor Cardgage#Senor based on this guy?|here]] — that would be a good place to discuss it, and if there's consensus in favor of the fact, it can then be added to the article. Welcome again! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:09, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

thanks Trey,
love the monicker by the way
though I'm more of a Fish man. (no pun intended)

:You're the first one I've come across who knows what my name is referring to :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:16, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

::Why is all of this going on on MY talk page? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 06:18, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

:::Sorry about that — I was considering moving some of it, but I couldn't think of how to divide it up so that both parts made sense. Okay, we're done :) Laters, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:19, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

== Yo ==

You need a signature. It's cool. It's just a suggestion and you don't have to do it. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

== Da Iron Cup Award! ==

[[Image:Iron cup of Brunswick Stew.jpg|thumb]]
Hey, Defender1031. I saw you've been making tons of good edits, like creating [[Showering]] and [[Sugar]]. So, I wanted to award you (drumroll...) '''THE IRON CUP OF BRUNSWICK STEW'''.
<blockquote>This award, the first on HRWiki, is given to recognize good contributions and to let people know that their hard work is seen and appreciated. It was given to [[The Cheat]] by [[Strong Bad]] for his good work on [[New Boots]].</blockquote>
Keep up the awesome work, Defender1031! {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 21:19, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Edit summaries ==

I'd like to ask you to consider taking a softer tone in your edit summaries. [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Halloween_Potion-ma-jig&diff=prev&oldid=443317 This], for example, is really biting an annonies (you may want to see [[Wikipedia:WP:BITE|this 'Kipedia page]]. Even the latter part of [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=from_work&diff=prev&oldid=443467 this] could be handled better with something like "I don't think we need a link to 'corporation'". Remember, someone went to the trouble of writing that link; saying "What the crap?" doesn't really help, even if it is indeed unnecessary. What you're trying to get across can almost always be expressed with a softer tone and is actually typically more effective in driving it home. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 02:07, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:You make a good point. I'll try to be a bit gentler. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 02:09, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

== Vandalism in the sandbox ==

No such thing, Stu. No such thing. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 05:52, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

:I know. It was a joke. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 10:33, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

::You [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=449501 did it again]. Please don't use "rv vandalism" in an edit summary for fun. You can be sure that it will cause at least one sysop to check the reverted edit to see if a warning or a block is in order. It's kinda like crying wolf.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:01, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

:::I apologize. I didn't think of that consequence when i did it. You can be assured it won't happen again. (PS. I think that quick sand pic should be a permanent part of the sandbox.) Sorry for entrangling you, [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 01:04, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

::::No probalo. Now go to bed!!!11!!!one!{{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:08, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

==Geez whiz, kid==
*Well, I am just going to put this out bluntly for you: it is fine for this ([http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Sbemail_169_Deleted_Scene&diff=prev&oldid=452366]) to be here. It is not revealing any spoiler. It is just simply an explanation of "WTF", so quit starting revert wars, aight? I know the undo button looks fun, but, sewiously, the explanation is fine. Best, --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 02:02, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

== Removing facts ==

Hey there DeFender, I was wondering which facts' removal you were referring to {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Eggs_%28toon%29&diff=next&oldid=452799 here}} — you sounded a little upset in the edit summary. Thanks, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:37, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

:well, actually... (blushes)... I read the history wrong, and those facts that were moved... I uh, kinda thought they had gotten deleted... and umm... went back to a previous revision and reverted from there, so i didn't actually touch the facts... and umm... sports team? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:40, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

::Okay, no prob — just checking. I guess that's a good reason to keep [[#Edit summaries|edit summaries]] civil :) Thanks, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:44, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

:::Well, i am getting better with the whole edit summaries thing, aren't I? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:46, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Oh, I can't say I've been following them that closely; I just noticed that section on your talk page and thought it seemed timely to link to it just as a friendly reminder. But looking through [[Special:Contributions/DeFender1031|your last X0 contributions]], they look fine. Nevertheless, let me take this opportunity to mention that I appreciate your efforts at reverting poor edits; you do a great job of helping keep the wiki tidy! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:51, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::[[wikipedia:Zoidberg|Hooray! I'm helping!]] [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:53, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

== Periods inside of quotation marks ==

Hi Dan,
Thanks for your suggestion, but periods (and commas) always go inside of quotation marks.
Check out this grammar site: http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/quotes.asp
Jonathan
Fellow H*R fan

:According to THAT standard. Not ours. Ours is more intuative. Btw, thanks for calling me "Dan". It's nice to see that some people care enough to take the time to read a bit about who it is they're talking to. Also, please sign your posts with four tildas "<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>". it leaves your signature and a link to your page, and lets people know who wrote what. Now get back to that tranglin'! [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 15:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

::Huh? I'm not sure what you mean by "our" standard (and since I'm a spelling nerd, it's "intuitive"). I also don't get the 4 tilda thing. What does it do?

:::"Our" standard as in "the Wiki's" standard. The four tildes add your signature and a date to your posts just like this:{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:15, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
::::Found the link: [[HRWiki:Manual of Style#Quotation_marks]].{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:19, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, man...I'll just let it slide and let you explain to the American Bar Association why all your briefs are full of quotation marks! [[User:Maristredfox|Maristredfox]] 15:45, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

== [[flashback|WHAT????!@#$%^&*()]] ==

sorry... Anyway.. It's not part of the email? {{User:Lazylaces/sig}} 19:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

== Super Mario Sunshine Reference ==

Hey, can you possibly PM me on the forums what the SMS reference is that would cause an edit war? --[[User:CX360|CX360]] 21:52, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

== take a day off ==
I'm honored you "stole" my shomer shabbat userbox and gave it such a seat of kavod right up in the number two spot. {{User:TheDude/sig}} 02:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

== Editing another's user page ==

A user flooding recent changes is certainly annoying, but it's not against any rule. {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Luckystar27&curid=34451&diff=454496&oldid=454495 Replacing an entire legitimate user page}}, on the other hand, is a blockable offense. I realize you had good intentions, but please don't do that. (We could probably also do without the thinly veiled swear on his talk page.) Thanks. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:37, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:Thinly veiled swear? What are you talking about exactly? I don't swear. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 01:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
::I was referring to "for the love of G-d and everything holy". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:08, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Oh, i don't see that as a swear. I'm sorry if you do and i've offended you. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 10:13, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
::::Wow, if god was a swear word, you must hate church! --{{User:CX360/sig}} 21:44, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::On the contrary, trivially invoking the names of deities is the original meaning of [[Wikipedia:Swearing|swearing]], and it's out of respect for those things that it's discouraged. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::Still, CX's post is one of the funniest things i've seen today. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 21:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

== <nowiki>[[Redirect]]</nowiki>s ==

What's bad about having an ''s'' after a link? On [[Strong Bad Email]], you can put an ''s'' after it so it will still say [[Strong Bad Emails]] without a redirect. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 19:51, 13 May 2007 (UTC) (sorry, though, that I did it a second time. I didn't see that you reverted the 1st one)
:Actually, I owe YOU an apology. I wasn't aware that the link absorbs the "s" like that. There's nothing wrong with it (as long as you're editing an up to date version of mediawiki.) As for the second time, actually, i reverted both after they were both done. No harm done, dorian sorted it all out, explained to me that it absorbs it and fixed it and all. You did what you were supposed to be doing. For that, I applaud you. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 19:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

The Battle of Strong Badia

2007-05-10T20:14:32Z

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'''The Battle of Strong Badia''' was a conflict between the [[Homestarmy]] and [[Strong Badia]], depicted in the [[Strong Bad Email]] "[[army]]".

==Why it Happened==
[[Image:goodminton.png|thumb|Prelude to invasion]]
[[Homestar Runner|Colonel Homestar Runner]] was driven to embark upon a campaign to invade and capture Strong Badia because he was tired of Strong Bad stealing the show (or as Homestar himself put it, because he was "sick and tired of playing second fiddle to a two-bit [[Wrestleman]] and his [[The Cheat|yellow dog]]"). To aid his cause, he recruited [[Homsar]], [[Strong Sad]], the [[Painting of a Guy with a Big Knife]] and Third-Style Private [[Frank Bennedetto]], and proceeded to march upon the stronghold of the Brothers Strong.

==Summary of Events==
[[Image:sbemail93.PNG|thumb|The lone casualty of the Battle of Strong Badia.]]
It is a bitter irony that Homestar's urge to win was what defeated him. Attempting to bolster his forces, Colonel Homestar tried to recruit [[Strong Bad]], giving him warning of the impending invasion. Were it not for this error, Strong Bad may never have found out about the planned attack until it was too late, and Strong Badia might have fallen. As it happened, Homestar's mistake enabled Strong Bad to send his commando [[Firebert]] to spy upon the Homestarmy's planning meeting, enabling him and [[Strong Mad]] to be prepared for the invasion.

The battle lasted about ten seconds before it was canceled by Colonel Homestar so that Strong Bad and Strong Mad could play [[Badminton|badminton]]. Homsar, unfortunately, deserted approximately three seconds into it, or simply didn't notice that they had reached their destination as his "helmet" was covering his eyes. The Homestarmy was forced to retreat (Colonel Homestar commented they were "in over [their] heads"); after Strong Sad exhorted the troops to "hold the line," Private Bennedetto was nearly slain by a kick from Strong Bad's foot when he remained in enemy territory. The Brothers Strong emerged victorious and went on to wonder how to play badminton.

Since this defeat, the Homestarmy has only been seen in action once since then, making sure that no one did any work on [[Labor Dabor|Labor Day]]. The limited accounts of this campaign indicate they had some success in this endeavor.

[[Category:Homestarmy]]
[[Category:Strong Badia|Battle of Strong Badia]]
[[Category:Events]]

User talk:Defender1031

2007-05-10T20:13:00Z

Maristredfox: /* Periods inside of quotation marks */

== Welcome! ==
Hey, '''{{PAGENAME}}''', welcome to the Homestar Runner Wiki! We can always use new registered users around here, so I'm glad you're on. A word of warning, though: Before you do any major editing, you'll want to read up on [[HRWiki:Standards|our editing standards]]. And if this is the first [[Wikipedia:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] based wiki (or first wiki) you've used check out [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Index the MediaWiki User's Guide], or for quick reference, our [[Help:Editing]] page. If you have any questions that aren't answered on [[HRWiki:FAQ|our FAQ]], post them on [[HRWiki talk:FAQ|its talk page]], or you can [[User talk:ACupOfCoffee|ask me directly]]. Most people here are pretty good about [[Meatball:AssumeStupidityNotMalice|assuming stupidity [read: ignorance] rather than malice]] One last thing — always sign posts on talk pages with this: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> (it's an automatic signature and timestamp).
{{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 06:22, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

== Show Preview ==

DaFender, meet Show Preview. Show Preview, DaFender. Hey, this button allows you to see edits without having to actually save, so [[Special:Recentchanges|Recent Changes]] doesn't get flooded. Try it, you'll love it. Your money back if not satisfied! {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:49, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

== reply ==

Its O.K Dan, I'm just new. I'd like to become your friend. [[User:Sam the Man|Sam the Man]] 15:11, 3/9/07

== Not getting the first time ==

Regarding {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=unnatural&curid=31706&diff=429739&oldid=429737 this edit summary}}, no, the anonny may not have any idea why his or her edit disappeared, since new users aren't always aware of the list of recent changes and article histories. Incidentally, there is currently an item in [[HRWiki:STUFF|STUFF]] that discusses what to do with links to portmanteaus. It looks like a version with a link to the page (but which does not explain the joke) is going to win out. Talk atcha later. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
:Fine, thanks for the clarification. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC) P.S. I'm having a bit of trouble learning to have patience for anonnies and newbies. I realize this, I apologize, and I will try harder to keep my patience in the future.

== Userbox ==

What's up? Well, I just noticed, your page doesn't have a userbox. I recomend that you might want to have one. It can explain a lot about you. And they're fun too. Just a friendly notice from {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
:Happy now? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:40, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

== Hey Dude. ==

Hi there.
I tired to add this to the Senor Cardgage page.

Comparisons can be drawn between Senor Cardgage and real life furniture salesman Mark Norton known for his odd ball late night television advertisements. Usually seen between the hours of 1 and 3 A.M. on the Cleveland FOX affiliate which broadcasts into the Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, And South Eastern Ontario regions.

And you seem to have taken it down...
I apologize if what I added was in any way problematic, I realize I had used some incorrect punctuation and as such was about to fix that when then I noticed the original edit had been taken down. I mostly wanted to highlight the Indiana connection with the Chaps and the possibility that the commercials might have been an influence on the character since they did reside in Indiana for a time. They (the commercials) are now available on You Tube and this has already been the topic of some speculation.
Hope I haven’t inconvenienced you in any way.
Cheers.
Steve.
:I removed it because I felt that such a comparison was [[TTATOT]]. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 05:54, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Tis true but you might want to check the comercial out before you say that... I Remeber when I first saw one in 2004 it was pretty much the first thing that jumped to mind. Beware what lies within is not for the faint of heart...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqmht0YVcJQ

:Hey there, Taproots85, and welcome to the wiki! I can see the similarity between Senor Cardgage and that guy (though I'm not sure it's intended). Actually, somebody started a discussion about this [[Talk:Senor Cardgage#Senor based on this guy?|here]] — that would be a good place to discuss it, and if there's consensus in favor of the fact, it can then be added to the article. Welcome again! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:09, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

thanks Trey,
love the monicker by the way
though I'm more of a Fish man. (no pun intended)

:You're the first one I've come across who knows what my name is referring to :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:16, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

::Why is all of this going on on MY talk page? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 06:18, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

:::Sorry about that — I was considering moving some of it, but I couldn't think of how to divide it up so that both parts made sense. Okay, we're done :) Laters, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:19, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

== Yo ==

You need a signature. It's cool. It's just a suggestion and you don't have to do it. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

== Da Iron Cup Award! ==

[[Image:Iron cup of Brunswick Stew.jpg|thumb]]
Hey, Defender1031. I saw you've been making tons of good edits, like creating [[Showering]] and [[Sugar]]. So, I wanted to award you (drumroll...) '''THE IRON CUP OF BRUNSWICK STEW'''.
<blockquote>This award, the first on HRWiki, is given to recognize good contributions and to let people know that their hard work is seen and appreciated. It was given to [[The Cheat]] by [[Strong Bad]] for his good work on [[New Boots]].</blockquote>
Keep up the awesome work, Defender1031! {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 21:19, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Edit summaries ==

I'd like to ask you to consider taking a softer tone in your edit summaries. [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Halloween_Potion-ma-jig&diff=prev&oldid=443317 This], for example, is really biting an annonies (you may want to see [[Wikipedia:WP:BITE|this 'Kipedia page]]. Even the latter part of [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=from_work&diff=prev&oldid=443467 this] could be handled better with something like "I don't think we need a link to 'corporation'". Remember, someone went to the trouble of writing that link; saying "What the crap?" doesn't really help, even if it is indeed unnecessary. What you're trying to get across can almost always be expressed with a softer tone and is actually typically more effective in driving it home. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 02:07, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:You make a good point. I'll try to be a bit gentler. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 02:09, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

== Vandalism in the sandbox ==

No such thing, Stu. No such thing. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 05:52, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

:I know. It was a joke. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 10:33, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

::You [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=449501 did it again]. Please don't use "rv vandalism" in an edit summary for fun. You can be sure that it will cause at least one sysop to check the reverted edit to see if a warning or a block is in order. It's kinda like crying wolf.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:01, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

:::I apologize. I didn't think of that consequence when i did it. You can be assured it won't happen again. (PS. I think that quick sand pic should be a permanent part of the sandbox.) Sorry for entrangling you, [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 01:04, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

::::No probalo. Now go to bed!!!11!!!one!{{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:08, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

==Geez whiz, kid==
*Well, I am just going to put this out bluntly for you: it is fine for this ([http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Sbemail_169_Deleted_Scene&diff=prev&oldid=452366]) to be here. It is not revealing any spoiler. It is just simply an explanation of "WTF", so quit starting revert wars, aight? I know the undo button looks fun, but, sewiously, the explanation is fine. Best, --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 02:02, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

== Removing facts ==

Hey there DeFender, I was wondering which facts' removal you were referring to {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Eggs_%28toon%29&diff=next&oldid=452799 here}} — you sounded a little upset in the edit summary. Thanks, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:37, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

:well, actually... (blushes)... I read the history wrong, and those facts that were moved... I uh, kinda thought they had gotten deleted... and umm... went back to a previous revision and reverted from there, so i didn't actually touch the facts... and umm... sports team? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:40, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

::Okay, no prob — just checking. I guess that's a good reason to keep [[#Edit summaries|edit summaries]] civil :) Thanks, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:44, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

:::Well, i am getting better with the whole edit summaries thing, aren't I? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:46, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Oh, I can't say I've been following them that closely; I just noticed that section on your talk page and thought it seemed timely to link to it just as a friendly reminder. But looking through [[Special:Contributions/DeFender1031|your last X0 contributions]], they look fine. Nevertheless, let me take this opportunity to mention that I appreciate your efforts at reverting poor edits; you do a great job of helping keep the wiki tidy! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:51, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::[[wikipedia:Zoidberg|Hooray! I'm helping!]] [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:53, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

== Periods inside of quotation marks ==

Hi Dan,
Thanks for your suggestion, but periods (and commas) always go inside of quotation marks.
Check out this grammar site: http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/quotes.asp
Jonathan
Fellow H*R fan

:According to THAT standard. Not ours. Ours is more intuative. Btw, thanks for calling me "Dan". It's nice to see that some people care enough to take the time to read a bit about who it is they're talking to. Also, please sign your posts with four tildas "<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>". it leaves your signature and a link to your page, and lets people know who wrote what. Now get back to that tranglin'! [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 15:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Huh? I'm not sure what you mean by "our" standard (and since I'm a spelling nerd, it's "intuitive").
I also don't get the 4 tilda thing. What does it do?

== [[flashback|WHAT????!@#$%^&*()]] ==

sorry... Anyway.. It's not part of the email? {{User:Lazylaces/sig}} 19:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

== Super Mario Sunshine Reference ==

Hey, can you possibly PM me on the forums what the SMS reference is that would cause an edit war? --[[User:CX360|CX360]] 21:52, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

== take a day off ==
I'm honored you "stole" my shomer shabbat userbox and gave it such a seat of kavod right up in the number two spot. {{User:TheDude/sig}} 02:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

== Editing another's user page ==

A user flooding recent changes is certainly annoying, but it's not against any rule. {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Luckystar27&curid=34451&diff=454496&oldid=454495 Replacing an entire legitimate user page}}, on the other hand, is a blockable offense. I realize you had good intentions, but please don't do that. (We could probably also do without the thinly veiled swear on his talk page.) Thanks. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:37, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:Thinly veiled swear? What are you talking about exactly? I don't swear. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 01:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
::I was referring to "for the love of G-d and everything holy". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:08, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Oh, i don't see that as a swear. I'm sorry if you do and i've offended you. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 10:13, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
::::Wow, if god was a swear word, you must hate church! --{{User:CX360/sig}} 21:44, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::On the contrary, trivially invoking the names of deities is the original meaning of [[Wikipedia:Swearing|swearing]], and it's out of respect for those things that it's discouraged. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::Still, CX's post is one of the funniest things i've seen today. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 21:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Stinkoman

2007-05-07T15:07:23Z

Maristredfox:

[[Image:stinkoman.PNG|thumb|220px|"DOUBLE DEUUUUUUUUUUUUCE!"]]

{{aboutcharacter}} {{forgame|Stinkoman 20X6}}

[[Image:stinkoman20X6normal.PNG|left|Looking for challenge]]
'''Stinkoman''' (also spelled '''Stinko Man''') is [[Strong Bad]]'s [[20X6]] counterpart. He is an amalgam of [[Wikipedia:Anime|anime]] clichés, including blue hair, big eyes, a blocky sort of body, a mouth that doesn't move along with his speech, and an obsession with [[challenge]]s and fighting. He was introduced on January 6, 2003 in the [[Strong Bad Email]] [[japanese cartoon]], which makes his birthday fall exactly one week before [[dragon|Trogdor]]'s. Even before the introduction of the Stinkoman character, his name was mentioned in [[island]] when [[Homestar Runner]] calls Strong Bad "Stinkoman." Stinkoman also stars in the game [[Stinkoman 20X6]], which [[The Brothers Chaps]] introduced in the [[NYU_Talk_-_1_Mar_2005|NYU Talk]] and later released on [[homestarrunner.com]].

Stinkoman employs technology to arrange, engage in, and practice for his challenges. He has a [[Cell Phone|cell phone]] which he uses to challenge [[Marzipan]] in [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 8.0]], and when the distance to his foes is too far, he whistles for the [[Stinkoman 20X6 Playable Characters#Stinkowing|Stinkowing]] for transportation. According to [[alternate universe]], Stinkoman uses his friend [[Vector Strong Bad]] as his "training simulator," but when he's not preparing for upcoming challenges, he relaxes by playing the [[Nintendo|Nintendo Entertainment System]] at [[Stinkoman Headquarters]]. Stinkoman's favorite foods appear to be chicken soup, [[Bread|bread]], power crunches, pudding, and [[Prawns|prawns]], as seen in Stinkoman 20X6.

[[Image:Mega Man & Stinkoman.PNG|thumb|220px|Stinkoman vs. Mega Man]]
Various facets of Stinkoman's persona refer specifically to characters in real-world popular culture. In particular, Stinkoman is very similar in build to the NES incarnation of [[Wikipedia:Mega Man (character)|Mega Man]], who also had blue hair at one point. In fact, Stinkoman's sprite in ''Stinkoman 20X6'' is a modified version of the original Mega Man sprite.

Stinkoman's lines, "Are you asking for a challenge?!" and "No way, you're just a kid! Maybe when you're older" are very similar in both content and intonation to messages spoken by the ''[[Wikipedia:Mega Man 8|Mega Man 8]]'' boss Tengu Man: "Are you worthy of my challenge?" and "It's just a kid, don't make me laugh!" The line "No way, you're just a kid! Maybe when you're older!" is also used several times (depending on translation) in the anime movie ''[[Wikipedia:Akira (film)|Akira]].'' The 20X6 and ''Akira'' connection appears again in an Easter egg in [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]].
[[Image:StinkomanPlussign.png|thumb|right|150px|"plus sign - endowed grill"]]

When Stinkoman grits his teeth, [[Wikipedia:Plus and minus signs|plus signs (+)]] make up the cracks between them. The character [[Wikipedia:Donkey Kong|Donkey Kong]] in the original [[Wikipedia:Donkey Kong (video game)|''Donkey Kong'' arcade game]] was also depicted with plus signs to indicate the separate teeth in his mouth. Finally, Stinkoman has worn the [[Halloween Costumes|costume]] of another Japanese cartoon character, [[Wikipedia:Speed Racer|Speed Racer]], as seen in [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]].

{{Spoken HRWiki|Stinkoman.ogg|1 January 2007|oldid=399966}}
*'''Domicile:''' [[Stinkoman Headquarters]]
*'''Debut:''' Email [[japanese cartoon]]
*[[:Category:Stinkoman Filmography|Complete Filmography]]

{{clear}}
== Character Evolution ==

{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! Image !! Info !! Created !! Appearances !! What's Changed?
|-
| [[Image:stinkoman evolution old.PNG|150px]] || First design of [[Stinkoman]] || 2003 || [[japanese cartoon]]; [[Main Page 17]] || N/A
|-
| [[Image:stinkoman_evolution_current.PNG|150px]] || Second Stinkoman || 2003 || Toons from [[20X6 vs. 1936]]; various [[Strong Bad Emails]] starting with [[time capsule]]; [[Stinkoman 20X6]] || Pants lighter colored and shaded; arms appear slightly longer, thinner and set higher up
|}

==Quotes of the Week==

{{qotwstart}}
*{{qotw|"We deserve a break! Everyone grab a spoon and take a break with pudding."|[[Under Construction]] outtake|HR:weeklies/stinko_break.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"Hey, [[Sticklyman]], whaaaaat are you doing?"|[[Under Construction]]|Mirror:stinko whatRUdoing.zip}}
|}
[[Category:Character Evolution]] [[Category: 20X6 Characters]]

User talk:Defender1031

2007-05-07T15:06:16Z

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