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User:Rob/sig

2006-05-06T11:09:25Z

Rob:

'''«Rob»'''

User:Rainer/sig

2006-05-06T11:08:46Z

Rob: User:Rainer/sig moved to User:Rob/sig: Change of username

#redirect [[User:Rob/sig]]

User:Rob/sig

2006-05-06T11:08:46Z

Rob: User:Rainer/sig moved to User:Rob/sig

'''[[User talk:Rainer/redirect|«]][[User:Rainer|Rainer]][[User talk:Rainer/redirect|»]]'''

HRWiki:Changing username

2006-05-06T11:08:01Z

Rob: /* Rob */

The user name users choose for themselves is no longer set in stone. On request, Bureaucrats can change user account settings and article histories such that all previous edits of a given user are attributed to the new name using [[Special:Renameuser]]. Note: you must make the request from the account you want renamed; anonymous requests (except users whose usernames begin with a lowercase letter and therefore cannot log in) are ignored for security reasons.
[[Category:HRWiki Maintenance|{{PAGENAME}}]]
==Requesting a change==
# To change your user name, please make your request on this page.

== Instructions ==
Please follow the procedure carefully or your request will not be fulfilled.

#Check if the new name you want does not exist ([[Special:Listusers]]). '''Do not create an account under the new name'''. ''(If you already created the new account, don't worry. We can do some stuff and fix it, but it's still recommended that you don't.)''
#Sign in with the account that you want renamed.
#:''Of course, this is not possible if your account has a lowercase first letter. If you can't log in, then skip this step.''
#Add your request in the section below.
#If you are a sysop, please note this fact with your request so that the necessary changes can be made.
#Once your request is dealt with, all edits from your old account will be reattributed to your new account.
#You should check that the old account has been recreated and blocked to prevent someone else creating the account and impersonating you.
#:''This cannot be done in the case of usernames with a lowercase first letter, but they can no longer be registered so this isn't a problem.''
#Move and redirect your user page and talk page to the new name if it has not already been done.

==Current requests==

===Traveling Ham===

Can I get my username deleted? When I type in the main character of my website into AOL search, I get Homestar Wiki stuff.
:You're bound to show up through HRWiki; it's not like we're remote. And no, your username can not be deleted. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 22:50, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
::Asked and answered. See [[HRWiki talk:FAQ#Can I delete myself from H*R Wiki?]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:05, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
:::Can my username be changed to "Business Inquiries" if it can't be deleted?

::::Why exactly "Business Inquiries"? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:52, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
:::::I couldn't think of anything else...- [[User:Traveling Ham|Traveling Ham]]

::::::If you aren't tied to that one for any reason, would you mind trying to think of something else? Also, what are your intentions for this account? Do you intend to never use it again, or do you plan on continue contributing with it? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:51, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

===DJ Teh C.===
some ppls stole my name. or vice versa. and now they tell me 2 change it.
so do i request a new 1? or do u pick it?
:You request it. --{{User:The thing/sig}}
ok
DJ Teh C. -> AIK_74
::You need to be logged in as DJ Teh C. to make the request. We just need to confirm that it is actually ''is'' you that wants it changed to AIK_74. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 20:06, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

try now
DJ Teh C. -> AIK_74 - DJ Teh C. 4:45 pm Eastern. April 23 2006 NY.
:Done. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

===kronosoldone===

kronosoldone -> Kronosoldone. Please.

:Well, I would be happy to, except the name Kronosoldone already exists. In fact, I myself welcomed that name (on my birthday, if you're wondering). Are you that user? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:08, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

===stringbodhunier===

stringbodhunier --> Stringbodhunier bleas?
:I can't find that username. Not only that, I can't find anything remotely close to that. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:42, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
k then can u change it 2 Jaxkaloop5? and can i be on da hrwiki staff?
:I think he meant that he can't find the name stringbodhunier. [[User:TaylorR|TaylorR]] 09:36, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
but,but,but that is my username! Until mediawiki 1.5
:I dunno what to tell ya. It's not in the knowledge base database. To test this, try creating it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:12, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

===Svelt young princess of town===

I'd like my name to be changed to Lady Fan if that's possible. Thanks. - Svelt young princess of town 04:29, 20 March 2006
:Svelt young princess of town → Lady Fan. Done. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:10, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

===sijapu17===

sijapu17-->Sijapu17 please.
:I don't see a "sikapu17" in the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Listusers&limit=50&offset=3400 User list]... are you sure that's your name? If you just want to create an account, go to [[Special:Userlogin|Create an account or log in]]. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 08:40, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

:::Phlip is right, the user "sijapu17" does not exist. See [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3AListusers&group=&username=sijapu17]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:42, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
::::That account was [[HRWiki:Changing_username/Archive#Sijapu17|already changed]]. - {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 03:50, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

===nkobland54===
nkobland54--> Nkobland54 please.

:The user "nkobland54" does not exist. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:45, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

===shaeffer===

shaeffer --> Shaeffer
thanks. =D

:Done. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:16, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

===Lopp3===
I'm tired of having lopp3 for EVERYTHING! Lopp3-->Ten Ten {{User:Lopp3/sig}}

Please? {{User:Lopp3/sig}} 12:37, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
:Done. In the future, please keep your pants on. For real. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

===Rob===
Can you please change my username from "Rainer" to "Rob", and if possible, change my username on the fanstuff wiki and the forum. Thanks in advance! {{User:Rainer/sig}} 11:06, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

:Oh, also, if "Rob" is already taken on the forum (I haven't checked), "Rob123" is fine for there. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 11:08, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

==Older requests==
*See [[HRWiki:Changing_username/Archive]]

HRWiki:Changing username

2006-05-06T11:06:06Z

Rob:

The user name users choose for themselves is no longer set in stone. On request, Bureaucrats can change user account settings and article histories such that all previous edits of a given user are attributed to the new name using [[Special:Renameuser]]. Note: you must make the request from the account you want renamed; anonymous requests (except users whose usernames begin with a lowercase letter and therefore cannot log in) are ignored for security reasons.
[[Category:HRWiki Maintenance|{{PAGENAME}}]]
==Requesting a change==
# To change your user name, please make your request on this page.

== Instructions ==
Please follow the procedure carefully or your request will not be fulfilled.

#Check if the new name you want does not exist ([[Special:Listusers]]). '''Do not create an account under the new name'''. ''(If you already created the new account, don't worry. We can do some stuff and fix it, but it's still recommended that you don't.)''
#Sign in with the account that you want renamed.
#:''Of course, this is not possible if your account has a lowercase first letter. If you can't log in, then skip this step.''
#Add your request in the section below.
#If you are a sysop, please note this fact with your request so that the necessary changes can be made.
#Once your request is dealt with, all edits from your old account will be reattributed to your new account.
#You should check that the old account has been recreated and blocked to prevent someone else creating the account and impersonating you.
#:''This cannot be done in the case of usernames with a lowercase first letter, but they can no longer be registered so this isn't a problem.''
#Move and redirect your user page and talk page to the new name if it has not already been done.

==Current requests==

===Traveling Ham===

Can I get my username deleted? When I type in the main character of my website into AOL search, I get Homestar Wiki stuff.
:You're bound to show up through HRWiki; it's not like we're remote. And no, your username can not be deleted. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 22:50, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
::Asked and answered. See [[HRWiki talk:FAQ#Can I delete myself from H*R Wiki?]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:05, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
:::Can my username be changed to "Business Inquiries" if it can't be deleted?

::::Why exactly "Business Inquiries"? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:52, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
:::::I couldn't think of anything else...- [[User:Traveling Ham|Traveling Ham]]

::::::If you aren't tied to that one for any reason, would you mind trying to think of something else? Also, what are your intentions for this account? Do you intend to never use it again, or do you plan on continue contributing with it? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:51, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

===DJ Teh C.===
some ppls stole my name. or vice versa. and now they tell me 2 change it.
so do i request a new 1? or do u pick it?
:You request it. --{{User:The thing/sig}}
ok
DJ Teh C. -> AIK_74
::You need to be logged in as DJ Teh C. to make the request. We just need to confirm that it is actually ''is'' you that wants it changed to AIK_74. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 20:06, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

try now
DJ Teh C. -> AIK_74 - DJ Teh C. 4:45 pm Eastern. April 23 2006 NY.
:Done. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

===kronosoldone===

kronosoldone -> Kronosoldone. Please.

:Well, I would be happy to, except the name Kronosoldone already exists. In fact, I myself welcomed that name (on my birthday, if you're wondering). Are you that user? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:08, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

===stringbodhunier===

stringbodhunier --> Stringbodhunier bleas?
:I can't find that username. Not only that, I can't find anything remotely close to that. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:42, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
k then can u change it 2 Jaxkaloop5? and can i be on da hrwiki staff?
:I think he meant that he can't find the name stringbodhunier. [[User:TaylorR|TaylorR]] 09:36, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
but,but,but that is my username! Until mediawiki 1.5
:I dunno what to tell ya. It's not in the knowledge base database. To test this, try creating it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:12, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

===Svelt young princess of town===

I'd like my name to be changed to Lady Fan if that's possible. Thanks. - Svelt young princess of town 04:29, 20 March 2006
:Svelt young princess of town → Lady Fan. Done. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:10, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

===sijapu17===

sijapu17-->Sijapu17 please.
:I don't see a "sikapu17" in the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Listusers&limit=50&offset=3400 User list]... are you sure that's your name? If you just want to create an account, go to [[Special:Userlogin|Create an account or log in]]. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 08:40, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

:::Phlip is right, the user "sijapu17" does not exist. See [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3AListusers&group=&username=sijapu17]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:42, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
::::That account was [[HRWiki:Changing_username/Archive#Sijapu17|already changed]]. - {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 03:50, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

===nkobland54===
nkobland54--> Nkobland54 please.

:The user "nkobland54" does not exist. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:45, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

===shaeffer===

shaeffer --> Shaeffer
thanks. =D

:Done. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:16, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

===Lopp3===
I'm tired of having lopp3 for EVERYTHING! Lopp3-->Ten Ten {{User:Lopp3/sig}}

Please? {{User:Lopp3/sig}} 12:37, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
:Done. In the future, please keep your pants on. For real. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

===Rob===
Can you please change my username from "Rainer" to "Rob", and if possible, change my username on the fanstuff wiki and the forum. Thanks in advance! {{User:Rainer/sig}} 11:06, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

==Older requests==
*See [[HRWiki:Changing_username/Archive]]

Template talk:sbenav

2006-01-26T06:46:47Z

Rob: /* Formatting */

== Formatting ==
Is there any way we can make the borders between the sections of the nav bar more prominent? They're just barely visible if I squint and look real hard at it. (This is in IE - don't know how it looks in Firefox at the moment.) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 22:43, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
:They look the same in IE and firefox. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 22:46, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
::Maybe your brightness and contrast of your monitor are too high. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 06:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

HRWiki talk:Guestbooks

2006-01-26T06:45:41Z

Rob: /* Oppose */ Agree with Darth Katana X

==Guestbooks==
Recently, some users have [[#Original discussion|discussed]] the current guestbook situation, and we are formally proposing to get rid of guestbooks. Please note that this decision is still being decided, and is not policy yet. If you wish to give us your opinion on this, then please tell us here.

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===End the practice of guestbooks===
====Support====
# See reasons at the [[#Original discussion|original discussion]]. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC).
# If it's for the good of the Wiki, guestbooks should go. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:20, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# See Rogue Leader's comment. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 00:33, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# I'll go along with this - don't have a strong opinion on guestbooks, personally. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 00:37, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# See Venusy's comment. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 00:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# If it's for the greater good of the wiki, I gotta vote to get rid of 'em. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# See reasons at the original discussion --{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 02:51, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# I want people to read my user page, not just to sign it without knowing what else is there. {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 03:17, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# Don't really see the point of them. There's nothing a gues book can do that a User talk page can't. -[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 04:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# When it comes to the point that the only reason people come to the Wiki is so they can sign guestbooks, it's time for them to go (especially when people are trying to get a certain amount by a certain date.) I didn't mind guestbooks until Recent Changes had more "User:" edits than it did actual articles. We had this problem with the old wiki; nobody did anything except talk to each other and create fanstuff. This is not a free chatting site for other Homestar Runner fans, this is an encyclopedia. User pages are to make a brief description about yourself, not to have a blockquote with 20-something signatures in it. If you want to talk to other Homestar Runner fans, go create a Myspace or something. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 03:20, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
# See my comment below. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:37, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# See comment below. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:57, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# They were fun at first, but now it's just taking up space. I would appriciate it if we could let them go. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 14:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# Ditto Ation. -[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
# [[User:Homsad|Homsad]] I agree with the guys at the original discussion. Delete them!
#{{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 17:01, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 17:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC) Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with Ation here.
#[[User:68.161.144.158|68.161.144.158]] 19:44, 22 January 2006 (UTC) I don't want to shuffle through countless guestbook edits to find vandalism. If you want to compliment somebody, use their talkpage.
#:Hey there, 68.161.144.158. Do you have a user account? If so, you should use it when posting on this page. Thanks. Anonymous votes will not figure much (if at all) into the final tally. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:46, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# I wouldn't mind not having guestbooks (even though I did like signing them, the wiki's better off without them). {{User:Kilroy/sig}} 21:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#I have to agree with Kilroy. We are better off without them. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 21:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#They don't bother me, but if they bother other people, let's scrap them. I'm #22! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! (that's what we're trying to avoid, right?) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:50, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#They don't show that you like the site, it just shows that you can sign a guestbook. [[User:Nintendogs123|Nintendogs123]] 07:00, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 09:30, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
# {{User:Total Spaceship Guy3/sig}} 10:39, 23 January 2006 (UTC) I stand beside all off you on this. DELETE THEM! WHEEEEEEE!
# For the reasons stated by [[User:FireBird|Firebird]] above. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 14:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
# Delort 'em. I only made one because I thought everyone else had one. The arguments to keep them seem to boil down to "hey, I like guestbooks, what's the big deal?" and "they encourage interaction". Seems to me they encourage a kind of interaction that is in conflict with the goals of a good wiki. Baleet 'em. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:04, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 20:15, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
# I've never seen the point of guestbooks, shoutboards, and other such features. If people want to holla at someone, let 'em leave a message on the talk page. The site will only get bigger from here anyway, and anything we can do to conserve space is okay in my book. - [[User:Octan|Octan]] 2006-01-23, 15:16 (EST)
# [[User:Powered by The Kate|Powered by The Kate]] 02:53, 25 January 2006 (UTC) I have to say that they should be DELETED! I mean, it's nice to know that people have been to your page, but then they start getting outrageously huge and such. Yeah. And also, if people spend all their time signing guestbooks, they'll never take any time to, say, improve their own user page or make a good article about something. I like what Bill Martinson said, too.
#[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:54, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:Point7Q|Point7Q]] 00:51, 26 January 2006 (UTC) I use HRWiki only as a knowledge base. I have no interest or stake in guestbooks at all. If people want to do stuff that has nothing to do with the stuff I'm interested in, that's fine, but not when it starts taking significant attention (especially admin attention) away from the true purpose of the site. Also, after having read the entire page, I think I can safely assume that Strong Bad would mock us mercilessly for spending so much time and energy on something like this.
#This is enough. End guestbooks. The hrwiki isn't Wikipedia, and it is on a funny cartoon, but...IT IS A WIKI. Meaning that it is an encyclopedia. Not a place to mindlessly sign your name on the nearest available guestbook. Just wait ten days, do whatever you decide to do with the things, and forget it ever happened. And stop driving the poor patrolors insane. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 22:10, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

====Oppose====
#I want the sweet sweet guestbooks. They let other users know they are there. --{{User:The thing/sig}} 13:48, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:Amost all of the people I know on the Wiki are from my or someone else's guestbook. Guestbooks make relationships! [[User:Bluebry muffin|Bluebry]] 03:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::Guestbooks make relationships, granted, but that's not the only way to make relationships. This H*R knowledge-base wiki is not designed to be a place to hang out and socialize. That's what the forums and [[HRWiki:IRC channel|IRC channel]] are for. The proper way to make relationships on this wiki is to make good edits; eventually people will notice you. One can supplement relationship-building through other venues while editing the wiki the way it was intended. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 03:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#Probably not as strong a point, but I like knowing that people have at least visited my page. I don't have a lot to offer on my page and I would actually like some comments. Restricting them to the talk page is probably best. [[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]] 03:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:I think that would be a good point ''if'' signing a guestbook meant that someone had actually looked at the page. When it's just a game, however, to see how many you can find and sign, it loses all meaning. Also, notice the little counter down at the bottom (where it says "This page has been accessed ''n'' times"). You can track that number to see how many people are visiting your page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:03, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::I can't speak for everyone else, but I at least read a page before signing a guest book. I thought that was the whole idea of one: letting the user know '''who it was''' that read the page rather than how many people have. [[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]] 20:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::And we appreciate that you read the pages. Unfortunately, as illustrated by the snippet from the recent changes in the comments section below, those who sign after reading are now a dwindling few. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#Is there anything wrong with guestbooks?--{{User:Benol/sig}} 15:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:Benol, you should read the guestbook discussion [[#Original discussion|below]]. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:22, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#The guestbooks aren't killing anyone, they're just fun. Why should we all act like a bunch of proper stuck ups on a Homestar Runner fan site? Now, if this were turning into a trend on Wikipedia, that'd be one thing, but this is a wiki on a silly, fun cartoon, and guestbooks are one of my fondest memories of this web site. What's next, will saying things like "ARROW'D!" be banned? Of course, I'm sure everyone is going to hate on me now and diss me like a bunch of geeks and nerds, just like what they did when somebody proposed that they could be saying "Strong Bad paints Marzipan" in [[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy]]. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#:Just for info: ''I'' was the one who proposed that. I don't exactly recall being catcalled about it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
#::Yeah, I noticed it was you right after I posted that. Well, I remembered everyone dissing you for that. There have been other times that users have been treated like crap for having a different opinion, though, and that wasn't a very good example, I guess. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#:::I agree, this may seem a bit extreme to some, but this part of the ''HRWiki'' family of websites is primarily for [[the facts]]. A more relaxed, "anything goes" atmosphere exists at the Fanstuff Wiki. Though this site isn't Wikipedia, we still strive to emulate their formal style, and attempt to limit most of our work here to building the Knowledge Base. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::Yeah, that's a good point. We should probably be on the look out for more things in Homestar Runner to pick at until they're not even funny anymore. For a more formal atmosphere, how about we all strangle each other as we argue over fhqwhgads? Is she a wiffle ball? Are [http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fhqwhgads Urban Dictionary's] theories true? And only we visiting the Fanstuff Wiki should watch Homestar for fun. Instead, let's try to find Homestar as boring as possible, so that all we can do is analyze crap.
#::::So, who's with me? Are we going to save the guestbooks, or are we going to suck all the life out of the wiki and make pages like [[Strong Bad Saying, "I Mean I (Did Something)"]] until nobody visits besides us? All right, perhaps I went a bit far. Anybody who's offended, no hard feelings. I just want sweet guestbook freedom. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#:::::Uh, ok. Did you even bother to read the reasons why we wish to get rid of guestbooks? We are just trying to make life easier for patrollers. Besides, signing a guestbook does not mean that you are even remotely interested in their page. It just shows that you have a fast mouse and tilde finger. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 06:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::::Look, I hate to have the whole site against me, especially since I probably won't have as much luck winning you guys back as Strong Bad does, but no, I didn't read the excuse list. Why, because I know it won't affect my opinion on guestbooks. In my experience, I've visited way more talk pages thanks to guestbooks, and I actually check out what's there, so that I can get to know a little more about these peoples before I post. But if you'd like to liberate the site from those ridiculous fan activities, go ahead. I'll keep doing what I'm doing even if it means getting banned! I feel a song, erm, rap coming on...
#::::::(Do not tell me what I can and cannot do when I rock) WHEN I ROCK, WHEN I ROCK...
#::::::DO, DO, DO, '''DO NOT'''! Tell me what I can and cannot do when I rock! Original material my crew nonstop! We're keeping it fly and we'll turn it out, y'all feeling some of that? No doubt! Yes, that's right, I'm keeping my guestbook up no matter what! And maybe some people will respect me for my independence, but I seriously doubt that. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#:::::::1) John Rue is a good man. 2) Breathe. Nothing's happening one way or the other for at least ten days. While persuasive oratory is called for, panic isn't; it's not like guestbooks are dead unless everyone's convinced in the next couple of hours. 3) You're not alone, per se; although I'm far from strongly supporting guestbooks, I don't strongly oppose them. 4) Since time ''isn't'' of the essence, '''do''' take the time to read the rest of this conversation (and also where it [[#Original discussion|started]]). It helps to know what's already been said. 5) Although I'm sure the shock got your fight-or-flight reflexes going, so far no one ''is'' hating on anyone; the conversation so far has been civilized and non-angry. I really hope it stays that way through its course; please help it do so. 6) In closing, I'd just like to make sure it doesn't go unnoticed that a recent edit included the words "That's a big but." —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:18, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::::::Mr. Katana (or should I call you Mr. X?), Like a wise user once said to me when I was just new to the wiki and didn't have a username: "''sarcasm doesn't exactly work wonders while attempting to argue a point''". And now for the actual reply. We all want to have friends and meet new ones. If this fact was false we wouldn't have such sites as MySpace. Yes, the wiki is a way to make friends, contrary to what some people were saying here, and no, the Fanstuff is not the only place to goof around. But (and that's a big but) making friends through random signatures left on your userpage is not the way to do it. Some userpages told the signers to leave a comment next to their sig. While some posted things like "Thenks for helping me" or "We had fun that one time", alot of them left comments like "Yay! I'm number 27!" or "What? Another guestbook?!" showing that they don't really care about you, your userpage or how good your edits are. It just became a wall intended to be place for art pieces but ended up for ugly graffiti. If you want to make friends, have you thought of going to the chatroom? Having a project, a big one? Think about the wiki as school. An open one where you can make everything. Do you make friends by going to random people with a pen and writing something on their back? Or do you make friends by making something beautiful for all to see? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:58, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::::::First off, check what I posted before I was editing conflict'd. And second, too much ugly graffiti? I love too much ugly graffiti! No, seriously, where I come from graffiti is the finest art form around, but that's not really the point. This wiki isn't a school, unless it's the Crazy Go Nuts University, and I couldn't give a crap less whether people care about me or not, as you can plainly see. That's how I met basically everyone here, and that's how I met all my friends here who probably all hate me now. Anyway, even if it is a big waste of time, it's just freaking user pages, not actual articles, and from what I know, these guestbooks haven't caused any tragedy. So there, ban me for my guestbook. It's a Free Country, USA and I will not be silenced! {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#::::::::::1) Please see my most recent edit above. 2) Yeah, I've made the school analogy before, but I was just thinking "everything that's ''good'' or has the potential to be good about school, hopefully without the really crappy side effects." I.e. ideally it ''would'' be a place for creativity, spontaneity, and individual expression, plus communal, supportive collaboration, but without getting stuffed into lockers or simply called a dumb***. Hopefully it would ''not'' be a militaristic institution for the mass-producing of servile factory fodder either. 3) I'd be really surprised if anybody on the wiki hates you right now, ''including'' those with the opposite opinion on this argument. Guestbooks ''do'' make friendships (though meaningful talk page edits do so even better), and if the friends mean more to you than the guestbook, then even if guestbooks go the way of MXPX ''and'' the buffalo, you'll have what mattered in the first place. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:28, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::::::::Yeah, we're on the same page. Or, more accurately, we're on two different pages which are right next to each other, but that counts too. One thing though, I don't think MXPX will be taking the buffalo route any time soon - I just heard them on [http://www.tv.com/users/DarthKatanaX/profile.php?action=show_blog&entry=175628 Burnout Revenge] and all. So, to close it up, I'll halfta go check that out, and hopefully none of my friends will take my flames personally. You might want to check out the Fight for the Guestbooks on my talk page, anyway. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#::::::::::::Not long ago, before guestbooks were popular, we ''still'' managed to communicate, form friendships, plan projects, and so on... through the use of ''talk threads'' and ''IRC chat''. No one is going to be asking you to stop communicating. No one is going to prevent you from reading user pages and posting meaningful comments on the talk pages. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::::::::::The advantage of a guestbook, of course, is that it ''solicits'' input from other users, where as an "unadvertised" talk page isn't likely to get unprovoked discussion that often. I ''have'' seen several creative examples of snagging input (input beyond a signature) already in play, though: I mentioned [[User:Has Matt?|Has Matt]]'s list of things Homsar should say; Heimstern's recurring [[User:Heimstern Läufer#German translation fun|German H*R quote]] also springs to mind, as does Tony Stony's [[User:Tony Stony#Me (screenshot from iMirror)|Frankenpic]]. These 1) provoke people to sign, 2) are H*R related and require H*R skillz, and 3) are fun. I think they'd do what guestbooks set out to do, but do so much better. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:18, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#I think having a guestbook is a good idea; i would however support the concept of moving them to a subpage. {{User:DJ Teh Cheat/sig}} 16:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#Same here. I didn't see an option to vote for that however. That would clear up the problem of confusing the edits with userpage vandalism. {{User:Smileyface11945/sig}} 00:05, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#I don't want to get rid of my guestbook. They let people know they've arrived. --{{User:The 386/sig}} 17:07, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:Well, all it really lets you know is that they arrived at your guestbook. There's no real reason to expect—or even believe—that the person was on your page any longer than the time it took to type <code><nowiki>#~~~~</nowiki></code>. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:13, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#I want 'em, but keep one only and keep 'em friendly, not competitive. {{User:LePorello/sig}} 19:19, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Marth 99/sig}} 22:05, 22 January 2006 (UTC) I'm with LePorello. I've never been competitive about these, and besides, like Darth said, they're just fun. I don't feel they are interfering with the wiki.
#:Perhaps you should see the recent changes snippet from earlier today in the comments section below (featuring none other than LePorello's edits). I'm wondering what your (and his) reply would be to my remarks there. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::That's just one person. Although I agree with his statement, I don't agree with rapid signing. I, like Has Matt, look at a person's page before signing it. I give a short comment and I occasionally get a response as well. That works better that marathon signing. {{User:Marth 99/sig}} 22:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::We wouldn't be having this discussion if it were just one person. When it comes to the point that you need an entire page devoted to a subject just to discuss it, that's indicative of an actual problem. Some of the replies in this section would make it sound like we're want to stop people from saying they like someone's page or from communicating at all. ''This is not the case.'' You would still be perfectly free to post comments in threads on the talk page, just like always. I think that's an even better way to get a response and start a dialogue that could lead to a friendship. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::Ooooh. Didn't realize I was being a rapid-signing idiot there. Hence, I now resolve to actually read the user pages '''before''' signing guestbooks. (This doesn't change my vote. I'm still for 'em.) {{User:LePorello/sig}} 23:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#"Countless guestbook edits"? I think some of the supporters are exaggerating a bit. {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#:Apparently, you do not read recent changes. Recently, there has been a ''huge'' spike in recent user page edits. This is problematic for people who patrol, since this was almost always trolling before guestbooks. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 02:45, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#Although I don't really care about them, they haven't been bugging me at all. I don't mind if they stay, personally. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:11, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
# I agree with LePorello. Only one, keep em friendly. [[User:TheGreatLogini|TheGreatLogini]] 12:47, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#I think we should be able to keep our guestbooks if we want to. {{User:Tampo/sig}} 16:48, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
# This is a bittersweet oppose. I have a guestbook and I like it. I like seeing who has read my page. I think I was one of the original 6 guestbooks and my guest book dates back to October. I have even put up cute things to try to get a few certain people **cough cough**JoeyDay, Tom, HomestarCoder, Phlip, Joshua, Jay, The Paper, DorianGray, FireBird **cough cough** to sign it. I wish we can roll back the clock or restirct the creation of new guestbooks (grandfather the old ones in). I think the reason that Userpage edits have skyrocketed is that TBC haven't put a lot out lately and frankly I'm bored. Today I logged in about 4 times (because its a monday) and once I saw that there is no new toon, I check out user pages of my comrads. As I seem to be seriously outnumbered, I will delete mine if it comes to that but I will be sad to see it go. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:47, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#I don't see anything wrong with guestbooks. The primary "problem" seems to be that it floods Recent Changes. Increase the number of things that appear in Recent Changes, then. Besides, it's not like other things don't flood Recent Changes (Image templates, category additions, bots, etc). The other problem was that there's an increasing number of edits that have to be checked for vandalism. As the wiki grows, there'll be more edits, user namespace or otherwise. It's not that hard to check edits for vandalism. And that's my six cents. -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 10:47, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
#:Read the page. The primary "problem" is not the recent changes. That's a side effect. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
#Keep the guestbooks, they're cool to have. If you're so terribly worried about recent changes, then just move guestbooks to the talkpage or a subpage. And to the people who say that guestbooks should be banned because you think they are pointless, well that's the most retarded thing I've heard lately, if you don't care for them then JUST DON'T USE THEM! And the claims about recent changes flooding sound pretty hyped up, the same kind of crap I hear from the opponents of userboxes on Wikipedia. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] 14:31, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
#:Once again, recent changes is just the straw that broke the camel's back. The real problem is that guestbooks have become a mere shell of what they were intended to be. Since there are real and better ways of communicating, we are going to do away with guestbooks in favor of talk threads. On another note, it's not like everybody doesn't know what the word is there that you "censored", and it is not appropriate for this discussion. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:02, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
#::OK, It's dot com, I removed it. Happy now? I just get tired of all this crap, all of these people who insist upon removing something others like, just because they disagree. OK, so use talk threads instead if you like, but ''why not just have both''? Seriously, what's wrong with having options? [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] 17:39, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::Wow, two of my best friends here fighting, better grab some popcorn! No, seriously, when it comes to this one I just halfta "go Switzerland" - that's what my homies call it. So, Yeltensic, good job backing up the guestbooks, and It's dot com, good job keeping this site safe for everyone. There. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#I think that we should keep the guestbooks. I mean, I always enjoy signing a guestbook. It's always fun to look and see who visited your page. I always enjoy it when people sign my page. It just lets you know that there are people that look at your page. I support them. They may be pointless, but they're fun and interesting. I mean, if you got rid of everything pointless, where would I be?--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 17:17, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
#One word: "Overregulation". --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 03:12, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Seriously/sig}}
#Agree with Darth Katana X. Not to say the HRWiki isn't awesome ('cause it is!), but ''come on!'' Wikipedia has more "silly" "un-encyclopaediac" stuff like this, and Wikipedia is supposed to be an ''encyclopaedia'', not a website about a ''funny'' web cartoon. Anyway, I'm fine with restricting guestbooks to one per userpage, and one signature per guestbook. But banning them is kinda pointless, guestbooks really don't do much harm (and yes, I did read the discussion below), and one can just filter out the "User" namespace on the recent changes if it gets in the way (which it really). {{User:Rainer/sig}} 06:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

====Comments====
* The primary objections seem to be 1) that they make userpage vandalism harder to spot, and 2) they make a lot of "empty" edits to check out in general. Stux suggested restricting them to User Talk pages; although it wouldn't solve the second issue it would solve the first. Although I don't like them, I'm not so sure they need to go entirely; they ''do'' have some benefit in community-building, plus banning them even from talk pages seems a little draconian. (If the defense were that they're not wiki-related talk, many of us would be [[User talk:AbdiViklas#Solfège...|guilty]].) Certainly only one per user per lifetime should be allowed, but I'm not ready to vote to end them entirely and everywhere. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:24, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:I think the reason that people are ready to get rid of them entirely is because they are not being used as real guestbooks. A signature on one does not mean that the user page was appreciated or even read. Some users actively campaign (via talk page spam) to try and get more signatures, which just drives up frivolous edits more. This is why I believe they should be eliminated, not just moved. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:33, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*I wish there was some way to keep certain guestbooks, such as the ones that were around before they were a fad, or the ones used actually as guestbooks, not as a challenge to see how many signatures they can get by a certain date... But there's not really a way to fairly decide that, is there? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:02, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:Yeah, it's kind of like when one noisy student ruins the field trip for the whole class. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:53, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*::I hear you, Thunderbird. But yes, that ''would'' be quite difficult to justify reasonably: "Your guestbook is appropriately motivated; you can keep it! But ''your'' guestbook is a mercenary guestbook; you can't!" I personally don't find the argument of function compelling (not "proper" guestbooks); frivolous edit and talk page spamming ''are'' concerns, though. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*Since I seem to be saying a lot in defense of guestbooks, I just want to play the other side for a sec.: There's no reason people can't simply link to blogs or personal websites which have guestbooks of their own. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:Just curious, but why ''are'' you saying so much in the defense of guestbooks? You don't have one. Almost none of the people with whom you collaborate most often have one. Have you ever formed a meaningful friendship through one? I myself have signed a few guestbooks (back when that's what they were), but nothing substantial came of it. Again, I'm just curious. :) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*::Right; not only do I not have one, but I've never bothered to sign one that I can remember. It's not ''just'' that I'm playing Devil's Advocate, arguing for them since there seemed to be few voices for them at first; I do actually feel that they don't necessarily need to go. Mind, I ''definitely'' think at the least "guestbook reform" is necessary, and would like to see their form and function not only preserved but improved; I just have misgivings about a cold-turkey crackdown. I'm certainly not going to be broken up if they go, since I don't think they're doing as much good or meaning as much as their owners perceive them to, but I'd like to keep the "anything goes in your userspace ''except''" list no longer than necessary. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:08, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*If this thing didn't evolve to be a fad I would even fight for the right to keep them. But now they just litter the recent changes page. This days are the first time I had to use the MainSpace filter to a actually ''see'' the edits {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*Finally! I am so tired of this stupid fad! You sign one guestbook, another million pop up. They serve no purpose to the wiki and, frankly, they're now really unoriginal. Are we just owning and signing guestbooks because everyone else is? I mean, when it comes to taste, everyone just follows each other like sheep. Why else are the music charts here in England full of crap? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:57, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:By the way, if you haven't liked them, there's always been an avenue of dissent: not to sign them. I've never quite figured out the cases where somebody signs a guestbook and simultaneously complains about it. Seems to me by signing you'd just be helping them spread. (I know, there can be social obligation, etc. Just saying.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:08, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*::Ok, I confess. Like many other users, I just sign guestbooks to increase the number of links to ''my'' user page! Yes, I know. It's a form of self-advertising. Stick your signature everywhere and more people visit your user page. Besides, all I put is "My autograph? Sure!", giving no feedback whatsoever. I use talk pages to do that. I should probably be locked away for such crimes. Anyway, the main thing is that these points alone probably show why we should get rid of them. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:37, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*just because you consider it a fad, it's a USER PAGE. as in, the USER gets to decide what to do with it. and if they want a guestbook, it's not up for the wiki to decide. this sounds like a meaningless rule designed to give more control to a humble majority. "I don't like jumproping! nobody else can jumprope from now on!"{{User:DJ Teh Cheat/sig}} 16:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:Actually, user page control is not absolute. We do give quite a bit of leeway as to what you can put on a user page, but there are [[HRWiki:User_space#What_should_I_avoid.3F|certain restrictions]]. If the community decides (and not by just a simple majority) that it's best if we eliminate guestbooks, then we will. But we're not taking this decision lightly—It has simply reached a boiling point. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*::Right; despite what I ''just'' said a few edits above about "anything goes in your userspace except," it's ''not'' your private property, and it ''is'' for the wiki to do decide. As is stated somewhere in the restrictions It's dot com just linked to, you can find unfettered freedom of personal expression simply by linking to an external site. You can ''even'' host a guestbook there and link to it! —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:08, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*Is there a way to keep any user X's guestbook at "User:X/guestbook" and modify code somewhere to make it so that no changes made to to pages of the form "User:X/guestbook" would appear in the Recent changes log? (I understand this opens the door for unchecked vandalism.) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:46, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:Well, it would be possible from a technical standpoint, but I'm not very comfortable with random users' edits not showing up in the recent changes. Besides, the recent changes flood is just an annoying ''symptom'' of the underlying cause (that guestbooks aren't being used as intended). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:17, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
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*([http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Nintendostar_Runner&curid=17721&diff=244679&oldid=244633 diff]) ([http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Nintendostar_Runner&curid=17721&action=history hist]) . . [[User:Nintendostar Runner]]; 18:23 . . [[User:LePorello|LePorello]] ([[User talk:LePorello|Talk]]) ([[User:Nintendostar_Runner#Guestbook|→]]Guestbook)
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*These three consecutive edits illustrate the supporters' positions precisely: If you were a speed reader, you ''might'' could get through all three of those pages in less than a minute each, but would you have enjoyed the experience at all? I think not. Those who would read a user page are no longer signing guestbooks, and those who now sign guestbooks are just clogging up the recent changes. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:I have to say that I am not a person that goes on a random guestbook signing spree, subsequently clogging up recent changes. If I find a user page which I haven't read, I read it, if I am interested and have time, and if that user has a guestbook, I sign it as well. I do not just look for the guestbook on a page and see how many I can sign in a minute. However, I know I can't speak for the rest of the Wiki, which is why we are having this conversation in the first place. You have to admit, whether you like it or not, guestbooks have affected this Wiki in a huge way; some think it's affected it for the good, some think for the bad. I know that a lot of friends have been made through guestbooks, and that they can be utilized to function in a positive fashion, but I also have to admit that they have caused a lot of problems in the Wiki as well. I am not a strong supporter or opposer of the idea of taking away guestbooks. It does seem kinda totalitarian and 1984-ish to ban guestbooks from the Wiki, but on the other hand, this Wiki's main purpose is not to have fun, but to document anthing and everything Homestar Runner. While there are a lot of ways we can have fun in the process of doing that, it seems as if guestbooks have ventured beyond the realm of a fun, innocent little thing that shows how valued you are to a way to get attention and compete to be the first one to sign. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 21:10, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*::i agree with the beginning of what has matt just said. not everyone just goes on for a guestbook, and if you think it clogs up the recent changes, '''deal with it.''' that is just the way it goes. i know lots of people have made friends, i would too if i felt like being an actual user. guestbooks are good. [[User:69.162.201.219|69.162.201.219]] 00:43, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*:::We ''have'' been dealing with it... for a while now. If they weren't being abused I would happily continue dealing with it. But since other, more productive ways to get to know each other can take their place (like talk threads), we'd rather stop dealing with it because we're ''tired'' of dealing with it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:52, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*::::true, i must admit. it's just that guestbooks seem like, almost....icebreakers. you are not going to go to a talk page and type, "want to be my friend?" instead, you will have signatures that you will go to, and their you will laugh at the stuff they say. then you will eventually just leave notes on their talk pages, and it will be great. [[User:69.162.201.219|69.162.201.219]] 01:00, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
* To be honest, I don't think the "Recent Changes Flooding" argument is a particularly strong one. Whenever I look at Recent Changes, the two things that catch my eye a lot more than Guestbook entries, even frequent ones, are the occasional flood of <nowiki>{{web-screenshot}}</nowiki> and similar edits that go on a lot of images all at once, and when users make a whole bunch of minor edits to their sigs, their user pages, etc., all at once. (I'm guilty of doing this myself now and then.) Very rarely do I see guestbooks as causing a lot of spam in the Recent Changes list, and they personally don't bother me. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 05:15, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*:The web-screenshot floods are a necessary evil for us not getting sued (and I'm not getting into that now) and will stop the moment the project is done. If users would just learn to use the "Show preview" button before all those minor changes it wouldn't flood the RC page. The only thing that is left flooding is the guestbooks, and we are discussing those right now. Please don't try to change the subject or pointing the finger on other stuff. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:25, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*::Besides, KieferSkunk, the point I keep trying to make is that the recent changes flood is just indicative of a bigger problem. But never mind that for a second... You can easily hide image edits by switching the namespace to "Image" and pressing "Invert selection". (Also, once we finally get all the images tagged, we won't have those floods anymore.) I sometimes use the same trick with the "User" namespace just so I can see the "real" edits, but this isn't a viable option in the long run for patrollers because vandalism would go completely unchecked. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:56, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*:::I realize that, and I'm not trying to change the subject or point fingers. I'm just pointing out that, to me personally, the Guestbook-related edits don't bother me - they seem to take up much less room in Recent Changes (at least whenever I look at them) than other edits, and I just sorta tune them out most of the time. I don't see it as being as significant a problem as others do, apparently. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 20:13, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*Has it occurred to anyone that since a guestbook generally has its own subheading on a userpage, the word "guestbook" or some form thereof automatically appears in the edit summary, meaning that they can easily be distinguished from userpage vandalism on recent changes? And that's really the whole case against them, the recent changes problem, is it not? [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User talk:Yeltensic|Save the guestbooks]] 19:06, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*:No, as Dot com explained in response to your comment above, the recent changes problem is NOT the primary problem. The primary problem is that guestbooks are not being used reasonably - there's too many instances of "I need to sign as many guestbooks as possible / get as many sigs as possible in the shortest period of time." {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 19:09, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*:Perhaps I should clarify. What I meant is that the recent changes problem is the only ''valid'' concern. The fact that you dislike them, or the way that they are use, is not a valid concern as far as grounds for banning them. For instance, I don't like rap music, does that mean it should be illegal? No, of course not, because other people like it. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User talk:Yeltensic|Save the guestbooks]] 21:10, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*::That argument would hold if we were trying to ban guestbooks from the Internet as a whole. This is the Homestar Runner Wiki, and we have lots and lots of policy as to what's allowed on pages. For example, you're only allowed two personal images. You're not allowed to put a blog on your userpage. You're not allowed to post fanstuff in the knowledge base. You're not allowed to say R-rated things. Nobody would stop you from creating an external guestbook and linking to it from your userpage. "Other people like it" is not a complete argument. Admin'ing on the H*RWiki has taught me that lots and lots of people like to go from page to page and replace the character names with "POOP LOL" but nobody thinks we should allow that. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 21:24, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*::Um, yeah, but POOP LOL harms articles, guestbooks don't do that. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User talk:Yeltensic|Save the guestbooks]] 14:56, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
*::Yeltensic, I find it ironic that by blindly signing as many guestbooks as you can find [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Yeltensic&limit=28&go=first as fast as you can] you are essentially proving the supporters' two main points. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:53, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*:::Good job, you just completely missed what I was doing. I was a) trying to fit in as many self-ads as possible before guestbooks are banned, and b) protesting this laughably absurd policy proposal. As I've wondered on my userpage, is there some conspiracy going on that spans two sites, Wikipedia and HRWiki? It's odd that the absurd "guestbook crisis" here was made up around the same time as the "userbox crisis" over there. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User talk:Yeltensic|Save the guestbooks]] 21:10, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*::::What, because they're going to be banned within the next ten minutes? You've got plenty of time for that. If you're a Wikipedia regular, then perhaps you've heard of not disrupting the wiki to make a point. It seems that in the time you've spent griping about this you could have actually ''read'' those user pages in an effort to get to know the people. '''(By the way, nothing prevents anyone from picking users from the recent changes list, reading their user pages, and then leaving meaningful feedback on the talk pages.)''' This just goes to show that guestbooks do not promote anything more than their own perpetuation. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:31, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*::::Well, how familiar are you with my offline life? I have exams this week, and I might not have all week to sign them left and right. And I did actually read the pages, but later I'll go and read them more closely, by finding them in my contribs. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User talk:Yeltensic|Save the guestbooks]] 14:56, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
*:::::Sorry if it seems like I'm picking on Yeltensic, but: [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&offset=0&limit=50&target=Yeltensic&namespace=0 Yeltensic's main namespace edits] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&offset=0&limit=50&target=Yeltensic&namespace=1 Yeltensic's main namespace talk page edits]. No offense, but this is the sort of behavior we try to discourage - users who sign up to do nothing but edit userpages that never contribute to the actual H*RWiki pages, the reason we are all here in the first place. We're seeing too many users who sign up only or mainly to sign guestbooks / collect sigs in their own guestbook. There are lots of webpages devoted to that - try Myspace. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 22:16, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*::::::Well if I ever were going to get around to editing HRWiki pages, I definitely won't now, with you acting like that. Methinks I'll just stick to editing my userpage, signing guestbooks, avoiding you, all of those fun things. Good-bye and have a nice day. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User talk:Yeltensic|Save the guestbooks]] 03:18, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
*::::::Anyway, by joining lovely little discussions like this to defend guestbooks, I free up time for other users to edit articles instead of doing this. There are other ways to participate than editing articles. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User talk:Yeltensic|Save the guestbooks]] 14:56, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
*A teeny little bit of Devil's advocate here: So, there's a part of me that wonders if this fad would just go away if we left it alone. I find that, with the exception of those who are protesting this proposed ban, people are becoming less interested in guestbooks (notice how many people deleted their guestbooks right about the time Bubsty left). Maybe I haven't been looking at the right times, though. I guess I just wanted to get it out there that it ''might'' not be necessary to carry out this ban. Like I said, though, this is largely Devil's advocate; I'm not really against getting rid of guestbooks. Thanks for putting up with my rambling. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 20:03, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*:Then again, I'm just realizing now that the disapperance of some guestbooks (mostly by good users) means that a greater portion are of the existing guestbooks are frivolous. So, maybe that's a good reason to go ahead with the ban. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 20:09, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*I, like Heimstern, have been somewhat abstaining from voting one way or another in this issue. There are probably more people who are somewhat ambivalent to the issue. I, myself don't have a guestbook, but I have signed many in my day, as I've mentioned before. I think the hardest thing to swallow is having to part with something that been attached to and they pride themselves in (be it for frivolous reasons or not). When I first saw them, I thought it was a great idea. I didn't know it had become the nuisance it is now until i started reading this dicussion. Personally, I still feel like eliminating them altogether seems like a rather extreme solution to the problem. Of course, like Heimstern said, many good users have voluntarily removed their guestbooks and what remains are the seemingly fanatical ones. It seems that a tug-of-war has arised over the desire for some users to have as much freedom over their userspace as possible, versus the need for this wiki to grow as a community and in order to do so it must have some reasonable structure to it. The willingness of many established members to give up their guestbooks is a clear sign that there is a problem. I think if the remaining guestbook users can show and exercise some restraint over their guestbook presentation and signing (i.e. having only one guestbook, not racing over signatures, etc), the general guestbook atmosphere can change to where a compromise can be reached and instead of banning guestbooks altogether, a set of reasonable guidelines are established on proper guestbook etiquette. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 23:39, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*:You'd think so, wouldn't you? You'd also think that guestbooks wouldn't have grown to the problem they are now, but they have. You'd think that now that this issue is front and center, users wouldn't ''still'' be racing across the wiki playing guestbook hunt, but they are. Guestbooks are neither are a longstanding feature of the wiki nor something irreplaceable, and they need to go. The culture developing from the racing guestbook hunters seems to center entirely on the user namespace, something that is at odds with the purposes of this project. Ironically, though these users must spend a lot of time on user pages, retention of the info there cannot possibly be very high when the total time spent on any one page is less than a minute. There are better ways to communicate than that. For more than a year we got by without them and we will get by once they're gone. You might note that you and I have collaborated on several projects and know each other pretty well (relatively speaking) without once ever having signed a guestbook on the other's page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:44, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
*i don't think guestbooks do much on either side. the recent changes thing doesn't matter much. also, people have the right not read a page. really, in my opinion, this whole page doesn't matter. {{User:Seriously/sig}} 23:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
* Personally, I don't have one. They take a lot of space for those really popular folks, and seem to be a list of who all likes the person _BUT_ I still think they are a part of the user page and, while an easy target for vandalism, could also be used in a positive manner. The maintenence of a "clean" Guestbook should be the responsiblity of the User. [[User:The Monarch of Rhythm and Blues|Elvis]] 00:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
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===If the consensus is to end the practice, then what?===
====Delete them altogether====
#— [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 00:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:FireBird/sig}} 04:15, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:I'm having a hard time understanding this position. All the arguments against guestbooks, it seems to me, center around what happens when people ''edit'' them (clogs recent changes, etc.). Aside from the possibility that having them around might incite new ones (which the "closed" tag idea [[HRWiki talk:Standards#Other|below]] ought to curtail), what exactly are they hurting? Even if deletion is necessary, is there a reason to go in and delete them by force with a "the notice has been up" defense rather than starting by asking the user to do so? It seems so... [[Wikipedia:Vogon|Vogon]]. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 08:19, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::Keep in mind that almost nothing is actually ever deleted from the wiki. If people want to visit their old guestbook, it will still be in the history. You ask what they're hurting, and several people have said that they clog the recent changes. While I agree with this, it isn't the basis of my opposition to them because I think it is a weak argument and is only a side-effect of the underlying problem: namely, at some point in the not-too-distant past, guestbooks reached a critical mass and exploded. When that happened, they lost all meaning and became a game. In other words, if guestbooks were currently being used as they were intended to be used, then I would fight tooth and nail to keep them and ''to heck'' with the annoyance of the patrollers. ''But they're not,'' and I have no reasonable expectation that simply ''moving'' them would change the current behavior even one iota. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:28, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::Oops—I wasn't very clear there. I meant what would "dormant" guestbooks hurt—i.e. something like closed STUFFs, with a little notice saying "This is from before we instituted our '''guestbook standard'''; please do not edit." (Elaboration [[#Other|below]] on how this could work.) Yeah, I think we're all pretty clear on what guestbooks currently hurt. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:Homsad|Homsad]] Delete them!
#{{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 17:04, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Gafaddict/sig}} 19:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 01:28, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 09:30, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Total Spaceship Guy3/sig}} 10:35, 23 January 2006 (UTC) Burn them all!
#For the very clear reasons [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] stated above. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 15:21, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:43, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:37, 23 January 2006 (UTC) — for the many reasons It's dot com has tirelessly explained (and, sadly, had to reiterate); the other proposals just aren't workable due to overhead, judgement calls, etc. The purpose of this website is not to provide a meeting place for people who are more interested in making new chat-buddies than in contributing to the encyclopedia. Let's get over our own egos and do what's best for the wiki.
#[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 20:14, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 20:57, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:Point7Q|Point7Q]] 00:52, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

====Move existing ones to subpages and lock them====
#{{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:28, 22 January 2006 (UTC) I think that if someone really ''really'' values their guestbook, they should have the option of moving it to a subpage and keeping it there for the sake of documenting history.
#:Couldn't they copy it to their own computer? Also, they can still see it in their page history. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::I'm just saying they should have the option. By the way, I'm saving my guestbook to my computer.
#:::I think we should fight subpage [[Wikipedia:Creep (project management)|creep]] as much as possible. If we disallow guestbooks, then those subpages would no longer serve the project. But if someone just wants to see one, all they would need to do is look at an old version of their page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:33, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::There are other reasons for wanting to keep one than sentimental value. Guestbooks—like user pages in general—are excusable exercises in vanity. The whole point of one is so people can see how many people like you, or at least have acknowledged you. Though this may not be a particularly noble motivation, it's hardly unreasonable. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:42, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::But again, it's not like the comments would disappear from the histories. Why add to the already growing problem of subpages? Talk page discussions are just as good as (nay, better than) guestbook entries, because actual thought goes into leaving messages. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:53, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:Bluebry muffin|Bluebry]] 03:20, 22 January 2006 (UTC) As said above - Most people I met were from guestbooks.
#:<nowiki>*</nowiki>sigh* Once more, you would have a chance to copy the info to your computer, or look at it in your page history. (Broken record = me) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::I know, but I want to meet more people, not ones from January. [[User:Bluebry muffin|Bluebry]] 18:42, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::Have you tried looking around the wiki yourself? Like the recent changes page or talk pages? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:56, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#For someone who knows what it's like to have something that took a long time taken from him, I'm voting about sub-paging and locking. At least give them that. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#Guestbooks were and always will be a major part of HRwiki history (not to mention all these arguements). I at least think that we should leave them on the Wiki. Taking them off would be like TBC disbanding Teen Girl Squad: sure, it used to be minor, but it became a big piece of the big enchilada. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 17:58, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:<nowiki>*</nowiki>sigh again* Is anybody reading the previous discussion? They won't disappear from the histories. Hardly anything ever does around here. As for being a major part of our history, I would tend to disagree with you there. They're a fad. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:17, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::I ''was'' reading the above arguements, thank you. But my point is that fads can make history books too. What about mullets? They were pretty big way back when. Now, I agree with the fact that they're not the biggest part of history, but maybe just have a little about them on the history page or something. Or keep some examples, like the ones that revolutionized guestbooks. Not trying to sound like a speech here, but, well, you know. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 18:27, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::Well, what goes on the [[HRWiki:A History|history]] page is outside the scope of this thread (although whatever the outcome of this discussion is should definitely be noted there). Any links on that page can just as easily point to old versions of a page as anything else. By the way, by "revolutionized", do you mean "made a perfectly fine practice into a problem that then had to be dealt with"? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:34, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::Your point has seeped into my brain. But what if people took a screenshot of their guestbook in its final state, hosted it on a site, and provided a link to it on their userspace? Personally, I think that's a good idea for (a)anyone who wants to preserve their guestbook and (b)anyone who still wants the world to see it. That way, it's not really cluttering the wiki. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 18:40, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::I suppose you could do that. Couldn't you also just put in a link to an old version of the page, [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:It%27s_dot_com&oldid=221198 kinda like this]? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:55, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::::I guess it would be the choice of the user, then. Pages like this would load faster than an image (especially if you had dial-up like me). {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 18:57, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::::Heck, as long as you're hosting things externally and linking to them, you can keep your guestbook rolling (as I've mentioned somewhere else on this sprawling page). —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:51, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::::::i agree with abdiviklas. {{User:Seriously/sig}} 14:12, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

====Other====
* '''Restrict them to talk pages; one per user; and require input beyond signatures.''' They could even be thematic; [[User:Has Matt?|Has Matt]]'s list of "Things I Wish Homsar Would Say" would be a good example (except in this scenario it would be on his talk page). The goal would be meaningful statements that would keep all the good aspects of guestbooks (recognition, friendship-building) without the qualities that started this discussion. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#:But who will decide what's meaningful and what's not? Some will argue that "YA!!! IM #143! =^^=" is quite meaningful. And if some kind of standard is reached, who will remove the bad stuff from the user's page? The user? Sysop? Having something you wrote removed can triger alot of flame wars. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:45, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#::Yeah, good questions. First: once we're talking about talk pages, I for one would be cool with pretty much anything. As I've hinted earlier, some might not find discussions of the [[User talk:AbdiViklas#...And the Absoluteness of Absolute Pitch|absoluteness of absolute pitch]] the most ''meaningful'' talk page content. But I think the policy could be stated fairly clearly: don't just leave your name; try to say something substantive that will make the user happy or tell him or her something about you. The fact that your #143 only makes ''you'' happy, and isn't a particularly intrinsic personal quality. Secondly: Whoa now, yeah. ''If'' this conversation results in a change in policy, then I feel like it should be implemented by leaving the owner a note asking to do it him or herself. He or she can then either delete or move and convert it (though the vast majority would need to just start from scratch—which isn't so bad, really). Rather than moving to subpages and locking, my proposal would be to '''add a tag to existing guestbooks telling other users not to add to them, and then enforce it with warnings'''. It's not like we're dealing with vandalism on the Main Page here; once somebody accidentally signs a "closed" guestbook and is warned, they're not going to continue. If they do, they need to be banned anyway. But closed STUFFs, for instance, survive just fine without locking. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:58, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#:::That's a decent idea, but it definitely achieves rigamarole status. I vote for keeping it the way it is, but like I say, good one anyway. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
*#::::Oh-ho-ho-ho! (devilish laugh) Sorry about that, I just felt like this place needed a random Strong Bad quote. Okay, back on task. Why don't we just put something in the standards page that says something like, "Although guestbooks in the Wiki are discouraged, you are allowed to have ''one'' guestbook on a subpage or on your talk page." Just another idea I'm throwing out here. You'll probably find some problems with this idea one way or another, I just felt it needed to be mentioned. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 14:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#:::::I would not have a problem with comments restricted to talk pages, but why would an organized guestbook be necessary there? First of all, there's nothing that prevents someone from starting a thread: "Hey, I read ''X'' on your page and you rock!" I have done that myself several times. Second, as we have clearly seen, there seems to be something wrong with a structured list with the label "Guestbook" that causes certain people to go into a frenzy, which completely negates the whole reason to have people sign it (i.e. to indicate that the user page was read and appreciated). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#::::::How about this. If the guest book bannination is accepted. how about we give people with guest books 2-3 days to move to a sub page and have a sysop lock it. If they fail to do this, I think we should just delete the guest books that are left. And Has Matt?, I kinda think that that defeats the purpose of this vote. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 16:17, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#:::::::Yeah, we're way past the point of simply ''discouraging'' them. Also, if we permitted them on subpages at all, then we'd might as well just move them to a subpage for them. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#::::::::My vote's with AbdiViklas's suggestion. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 19:42, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*#I go for this option i'm voting for, but here's an idea: why not have a global hrwiki guestbook, for those of us that like to sign guestbooks? We lock all guestbooks except for this page where someone can sign their name in for the entire wiki? Strange I know but it just occurred to me. Another q: if guestbooks are totally deleted, yes they remain in the page's history... but what about guestbook subpages? (like the one that USED to be User:Kilroy/Guestbook)? Their histories are lost. Just like that last page I mentioned. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:25, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*#:Even though it might look deleted, it's not. The only things that are really deleted when it says deleted are images. If someone needed the code from one of those subpages (for example, to archive locally), it could be undeleted long enough to take care of it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:38, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*#::Ohhhh! Tight paaants! That is good to know! :) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 23:32, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

* '''Start a one-day race for everyone with a guestbook to amass the most names. At the end of the day, everyone's guestbooks are deleted, and the winner gets a nickel (via PayPal).'''
*#{{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:46, 23 January 2006 (UTC) Everybody wins: guestbook proponents get one last day of unbridled mayhem, and guestbook opponents get eternal relief from their patrolling woes.
*#:Better yet, winner gets $100. Supplied by Trey56 of course. :-P {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:10, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*#::i think that's a great idea. i don't even have a guestbook, but i would like to sign some. [[User:Thatkidyoualllove|Thatkidyoualllove]] 13:21, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

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===If the consensus is to end the practice and delete them altogether, when should that happen?===
*'''About ten days after the consensus is reached here, they should be deleted. A notice should be put up on the Recent Changes page and at the top of watchlists.''' — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#— [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#:And the notices have been put up. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 02:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#::(Notices of the current discussion, that is, not of deletion.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 02:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#:::Right. Up there I meant that similar notices would be put up saying something like "Now would be a good time to archive that locally before it's gone" or something. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#::::Do you think you could put a notice on the Main Page as well, like we did for donations and NSMC? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 02:56, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#:::::The thinking is probably that this is an issue that doesn't really concern IPs; if someone's a user they'll probably see it either on recent changes or when they log in (it's on the "successful login" page). —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:04, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#::::::Yeah, this isn't something we need to bother people with who are just here to read. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*# [[User:Homsad|Homsad]] 17:00, 22 January 2006
*#Yeah, what counts as a guestbook? I mean, I have things like Favorite Sbemail, and the occasional poll. [[User:Bluebry muffin|Bluebry]] 18:47, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#:Bluebry, polls are different than guestbooks. Many people have guestbooks, while not as many people have polls. Polls won't last forever, and aren't as annoying as guestbooks. Most people leave their guestbooks up forever. Polls are temporary. Now, people with ''two'' guesbooks, on the other hand, are more of our focus. *wink wink* {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 18:51, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#::Yeah, Bluebry; see my comment near the end of the long [[#Oppose|Oppose]] section advocating the practice of Healthy Non-Guestbook Interaction Practices. Making good Peer-to-Talk page choices. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:56, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#::Yeah, um, sorry for having TWO guestbooks. Ummm, yeah. [[User:Bluebry muffin|Bluebry]] 18:54, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#:::well, i think that it should be done in two weeks. that leaves users with plentiful time to get as much sigantures as possible.
*#::::One week is plenty. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 21:15, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

== Original discussion ==
''This disscussion was originally found in [[HRWiki:Da Basement]]''

Guestbooks started out as kinda cute. Then they became a fad. Now it seems that everybody's user pages are being edited by other people. I remember a time when such a thing was vandalism nine times out of ten. Having guestbooks is really becoming a nuisance for recent changes. I think we should do away with them. I don't even think moving them to a subpage is a good idea, because it seems most people just go around blindly signing them, without actually reading the page in question. I would prefer, if someone had read my user page, that they just made some kind of meaningful comment on my talk page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:24, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
:I am going to have to say that I agree. At the very least, all current guestbooks need to be moved to a subpage. Guestbooks now are just for signing them, not to show that someone reads a guestbook owners userpage. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 04:27, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

::I concur with Ben on all counts. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:30, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Yessir. It's Dot Com hit the nail on the head. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 04:33, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

::::Yeah, you guys are probably right. I have to admit, I'm also guilty of owning a [[User:Thunderbird L17/Guestbook|guestbook]], but if that's what it takes to do away with this pointless fad, I'll give a vote towards getting rid of all guestbooks, including my own. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:50, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::I like signing guestbooks. I don't have one but I like signing them. About 75% of the time I do end up reading the page in question too! I hope I'm not the exception. Perhaps they can be restricted to the user's talk page? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:02, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::'''EDIT CONFLICT:'''Agreed with everybody. Signing a guestbook doesn't say that you like that page, or that you enjoyed what they wrote. I agree with Dot com, leave a message with some thought if you want to say that you liked a user page, not put your sig on their userpage. I don't think guestbooks are ''bad'', they're just pointless.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 05:03, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::When we come to a point when (and I don't want to name names) there are two or three different guestbooks on the same userpage for no reason at all, or that there's a "guestbook race" where users race to see who could sign it first, or even when a user picks up a deadline for getting X signatures before a certian date, it's time to get rid of that fad. I hate seeing users who have more then 500 userpage and usertalk edits, but less then 20 mainspace edits. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:37, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::::Stux: That wouldn't make a difference. It's not about where it is, it's the fact that it clutters Recent Changes up and makes patrolling edits a nightmare. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 07:41, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::::I agree, although guilty of signing a few. It's become not only a fad, but a competition. Who can sign the most guestbooks, who can sign the fastest, whose is longer, who can reach the most by such and such date--even who [[User:Bluebry muffin|has the most]]. I personally wouldn't mind seeing them go. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::::That page made me agree with getting rid of them. In fact, I'm gonna go get rid of mine right now. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 03:50, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::''{sigh}'' It's sad it got to this point. It's really kind of like [[The Geddup Noise]], isn't it? We've gone from "Guestbooks used to be cool!" to "Corporate Guestbooks still suck". I hate the thought of them being banned, but it probably has gotten to that point. I'll support it. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 04:01, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::Guestbooks are dying with their original creator, [[User:Bubsty|Bubsty]]. I'm taking mine out too. {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 04:13, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm not sure exactly who started the fad, but my money's on [[User:Smileyface11945|Smileyface11945]]. Both [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Smileyface11945&oldid=116185 his] and [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Thunderbird_L17/Guestbook&oldid=171056 my] guestbooks predate that of [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Bubsty&oldid=198810 Bubsty]'s. Still, I think Bubsty ammased the most sigs, and I belive it was his' that influenced the inordanant influx of guestbooks. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
:His is gone. [[User:24.18.208.18|24.18.208.18]] 23:44, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
::Also, Bubsty never started guestbooks. He said he got it from RJMT somewhere. [[User:24.18.208.18|24.18.208.18]] 23:48, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Thanks, I [[HRWiki:Da Basement#noted|just meantioned]] that. His' is [[User:Bubsty/guestbook|still around]], just not really linked to much. And [[User:RJMT|RJMT]]'s guestbook only goes back to [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:RJMT&oldid=194351 Novermber 9th], which still post-dates both mine and Smiley's. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 00:38, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
::::I think [http://old.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=IPADDRESSMAN this] is an interesting point... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::Heh. That ''is'' interesting. But guestbooks clearly died out at some point (perhaps when we switched to MediaWiki), and have only recently resurged. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:02, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::Yeah. I'm not sure if anybody remembered his or not to start the MediaWiki generation of Guestbooks, but that's beside the point. We're getting a bit off topic now (mostly my fault). The question isn't who started them, it's should we keep them, and/or what should we do about them? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:05, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
:I agree with Dot com. (I know, I left, but I was finishing this killerdynamo and admin-hating thing up...) About 2-3 weeks ago they weren't ''that'' big of a deal, but now it's gotten kinda... insane. Especially if everyone starts getting [[User:Bluebry muffin|more then one]]. They started out being cute, but ''now'' they're just plain annoying. (I feel kinda bad though, seeing as a lot of users see mine and think "Oh cool! I want one!"). I'm taking mine off. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:47, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::I think we should keep our own guestbook if we want to. {{User:Tampo/sig}} 14:41, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::May I remind you Tampo, that the discussion, as mentioned below is going on in [[#Guestbooks|above]]. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:42, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::I just put my comment here because my computer couldn't load that page. {{User:Tampo/sig}} 16:46, 23 January 2006 (UTC)



''This is an archive of the original discussion. Please put new comments [[#Guestbooks|above]].''

portrait

2005-12-06T05:39:53Z

Rob: /* Goofs */

[[Image:Sbemail139.png|thumb|Done by a Deutsch Master]]

'''Strong Bad Email #139'''

Strong Bad tries to make a portrait of himself.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, [[Lord Quackingstick]], {{Film|The Cheat}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|Strong Mad}}

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Strong Mad's Room]], [[Strong Bad's Basement]], [[The Field]] (Easter egg)

'''Computer:''' [[Lappy 486]]

'''Date:''' December 4, 2005

'''Running Time:''' 3:37
==Transcript==
'''STRONG BAD:''' Hey everybody, it's a musical Strong Bad Email this week! ''{presses enter}'' ''{singing}'' Doo doo doo Dear, Dear Strong Bad, oh I was wondering—''{stops singing}'' I can't keep this up.

<blockquote class="email"><div>subject: portrait</div>
Dear Strong Bad- 
I was wondering if you ever wanted to have somebody 
paint a portrait of  your greatness. 
guess what, it's- 
Dylan Bragers (aka Coolio da Fabio) 
Texas
</blockquote>

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Guess what? Nobody calls you Coolio da Fabio (aka quit making up nicknames for yourself.) ''[sic]'' I'm just gonna call you Dealin' Burgers, which I assume doubles as an accurate job description.

''{Clears screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Moving onwardly, I suppose my greatness is worthy of portraiture. Perhaps one done by a Deutsch Master.

''{Cut to a portrait of Strong Bad, in a long-haired wig, a beret, and a toga, holding a toy stick with a duck's head on the end. The painting is in a gold frame, with a museum placard beside it (see [[#Trivia|below]]).}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' The kind that are always getting stolen or vandalized by art bandits.

''{The Cheat appears from the top, wearing a black mask, skullcap, and a t-shirt reading "4rt b4ndit". He places a stencil over the painting and paints a "robotank", along with the words "RAD, RAD ROBOTANK", in pink spray paint.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{offscreen}'' Thanks little buddy; now it's worth something.

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{obliging The Cheat noises; salutes}''

''{Cut back to the Lappy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{resumes typing}'' Or what about one of those black and white ink portraits you see in all the rich-guy newspapers.

''{Cut to a black-and-white newspaper. An image of Strong Bad in a suit and tie and holding a large cell phone is in the center.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Well apparently they're not rich enough to afford any color. Or even solid lines... Just a bunch of dots and dashes. I look like Morse code. ''{imitating Morse code}'' Dah dah dah dee dee dee... I a-am ho-o-olding a real-ly ol-d cel-l-l pho-o-one.

''{Cut back to the Lappy. The screen has cleared.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Oops. No. Hey, I got it! A painting of such greatness demands only the finest materials. And what could be finer than black velvet in a cheap imitation wood frame? It would be showcased—

''{Cut to the velvet painting. It shows Strong Bad holding a skunk. A lamp with a moose on it can be seen to the left.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' —in only the fanciest double-wide trailers. Oh, and look! I finally caught that skunk. I been chasing after that little scamp for—Whoa!—

''{The shot suddenly shifts to the right to reveal a poster of a unicorn on a snowmobile with the caption "Born to be danged!!!". Another moose lamp is seen on the right.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' —Is that a blacklight poster of a unicorn riding a snowmobile?! Now ''that'' is some esteemed company.

''{A [[Cold One|Cold One Ice]] flies at the lamp and shatters it.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{sleepy}'' Thanks for breaking my moose lamp.

''{Cut back to the Lappy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Unfortunately, I don't know anybody with a useless Master of Fine Arts degree, so I might have to settle for something a bit more, how you say, made by Strong Mad or The Cheat.

''{Cut to The Cheat, who is noisily gnawing Strong Bad's face into a log.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Very... uh, slobbery, The Cheat. This isn't quite what I had in mind when you said "sculpture."

''{Music starts playing.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' You're really just... goin' to town there, aren't ya?

''{Strong Bad stares at The Cheat working for a moment.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I'm gonna ''{motioning with his glove}'' leave you two alone.

''{Strong Bad backs away. Cut to Strong Mad's room. Strong Mad is sprinkling glitter over a macaroni picture. Strong Bad walks up.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, nice work, Chef Boyardee.

''{Cut to a close-up of the picture.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Like I couldn't have gone down to the kindergarten and hired a five-year-old to make me one of those.

''{Cut back to the wide shot.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ...Except that sounds pretty creepy and I'd probably go to jail.

'''STRONG MAD:''' ''{slams the glitter down}'' I'LL WAIT FOR YOU!!

''{Cut back to the Lappy. Strong Bad sits down.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Well, thanks to my no-talent minions, it looks like a self-portrait is the only way to go. And I will render it in nothing less than the classic style of the Trüe Mästers.

''{Cut to a shot of Strong Bad, who has somehow fit his head into a wooden cutout of a muscular man holding a sword with a keyboard on it. The man has "SB" written on his stomach and is holding a falcon. His one visible leg wears a boot that looks vaguely similar to a [['Lectric Boots|'Lectric Boot]]. There are also two cans of paint nearby, labeled "Some Paint" and "Some More Paint". There is also a cutout of a mermaid at his feet with an empty space for a head. He paints it with a small brush.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ah, at last: A self-portrait that accurately depicts who I am, where I'm from, and my passing interest in falconry.

''{He tries to get out.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Uh, oh. ''{keeps trying}'' How do I get outta this thing?

''{Cut to the reverse angle. He can be seen hanging by his head.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' How did I get ''into'' this thing? ''{kicks his legs together a few times}''

''{Cut back to the front view. He holds up the duck-head toy from the first portrait.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{making the bird talk}'' Quack, quack.

''{Cut to a close-up.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Why, Lord Quackingstick, how nice to see you. You don't happen to have a hacksaw in your pocket, do you? ''{making the bird talk}'' Quack, quack.

''{Cut back to the wide shot.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, too bad. ''{looking down at the mermaid}'' Well, what about you, Princess Shellbra?

''{He moves the bird-on-a-stick into the face hole for the mermaid.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{making the bird talk in a high, sultry voice}'' Quack, quack. ''{speaking normally}'' But of course. I love to serenade you anytime with my ''{looks down to his right}'' mystical key-sword-tar. I mean it's not like I'm goin' anywhere... anytime soon.

''{[[The Paper]] comes down.}''

==Easter Eggs==
*Click the white card by the portrait by the Deutsch Master to see an "Adventures of [[Strong Badman]]" comic book.
*Click the key-sword-tar at the end to see a printable version of the robotank stencil The Cheat used to vandalize the painting.
*Click [[Lord Quackingstick]] at the end to see Strong Bad show off his key-sword-tar to Homestar.
:''{Cut to The Field with Homestar and Strong Bad holding the key-sword-tar, his head still in the hole, although it has been broken off from the rest of the portrait.}''
:'''STRONG BAD:''' So that's when I realized I don't even need lamaze classes.

:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Strong Bad, there's something different about you. Did you get a haircut?

:'''STRONG BAD:''' No, but I did get this new key-sword-tar. Maow, maow, maoooooooow. ''{falsetto}'' Keyboard, keyboooooard. ''{normal}'' Maow, maow, maooooooooow. ''{falsetto}'' Fight some brigands!! ''{Homestar holds up a [[SAAB Lighter|SAAB lighter]], Strong Bad's voice returns to normal}'' Maow Maow, Maoooow-ow-ow-ow-ow-ow-owwowwoww-whammy-barrrrruh.

==Fun Facts==
===Explanations===
* ''Deutsch'' is the German word for "german". Strong Bad uses it as a play on ''Dutch'', however (the similarity in sound has lead to confusions before such as the [[Wikipedia:Pennsylvania Dutch|Pennsylvania Dutch]], who are actually German). "Dutch masters" is a general term for the famous Dutch artists of the 17th century, such as [[Wikipedia:Rembrandt|Rembrandt]] and [[Wikipedia:Vermeer|Vermeer]]. "[[Wikipedia:Dutch Masters|Dutch Masters]]" is also a specific name for a brand of cigars.
* [[Wikipedia:Falconry|Falconry]] is the art or sport of training raptors (birds of prey) to hunt or pursue game.
*[[Wikipedia:Lamaze|Lamaze]] is a relaxation technique designed to avoid the use of pain-killing drugs during childbirth.

===Trivia===
* This email was released late Sunday night Atlanta time, but the website claimed that its release date was on Monday.
* The card next to the first portrait reads:
<blockquote style="font-family:Times,serif;border:2px solid black;background:#fff;color:#000;width:120px">
Strongio da Baddio 
DaVantres 
''c. 1658''</blockquote>
* The picture's captions read "Sell phones or ''Cell'' phones?" above and "''Strong Bad''" below. A lower headline reads "Banks have "money"".
* The left side of the newspaper reads:
<blockquote style="font-family:Times,serif;border:2px solid black;background:#ffffff;color:#000;width:150px">
<big><big>Mulligatawny</big></big> 
stew rose high in 
the markets today 
fter rumors spread 
a really sweet deal 
over at my place 
usually get started 
d nine and go until 
who knows when! 
Pork bellies will be 
erved around 8-ish. 
tures to follow at 9 
ase bring your own 
pkins if you're into 
 that crap. Not me. 
ipe hands on pants, 
 yo. Anyways, I'm 
ally rich and money 
s still very valuable.
</blockquote>

* The right side of the newspaper reads:

<blockquote style="font-family:Times,serif;border:2px solid black;background:#ffffff;color:#000;width:240px">
<big><big>G</big>igantic cell phone</big> 
making a 4th quart 
comeback as the the "it' 
toy of the Decemberwe 
season. "Who wants to 
put a phone in their poc 
when you can carry aro 
a separate suitcase just 
for a portable, wireless 
mobile, take-anywhere 
cellular telephone. Ma 
analysts predict all the 
cool kids will be luggi 
these stylish jobbies fr 
prom dance to soccer 
practice in 2006. 
 "I want a cell phone 
that is quite large," say 
the sleepy rabbit. 
The technology sector is anticipating 
other woodland creatures to be amon 
early adopters of the new technology
</blockquote>

===Remarks===
*Homestar's lighter in the key-sword-tar Easter egg is a [[Wikipedia:Saab|Saab]] lighter, as opposed to Strong Bad's [[BMW Lighter|BMW one]].
*The fours in The Cheat's ''4rt b4ndit'' shirt are another example of [[Wikipedia:Leet|Leetspeak]] in the toons.
*Strong Bad mentions a [[Wikipedia:whammy bar|whammy bar]], or tremolo arm, while playing his key-sword-tar (a pun on the [[Wikipedia:Keytar|Keytar]]). However, only actual guitars have these.

===Goofs===

*The second small line on the right newspaper paragraph repeats the word "the".
*In the Easter egg, when Strong Bad is moving the cardboard cutout of the key-sword-tar around, the picture reverses direction.
*Strong Bad mistypes his line "Guess what? Nobody calls you Coolio da Fabio (aka quit making up nicknames for yourself)." The full stop should be outside the brackets, Strong Bad types it inside.

===Inside References===
*Homestar's line "Thanks for breaking my moose lamp" is a reference to [[caper]], where he thanked Strong Bad and The Cheat for breaking his [[Cow Lamp|cow lamp]].
*A Strong Badman comic appeared in connection with a "Deutschman" in [[haircut]].
*The velvet painting of Strong Bad holding the skunk was done by [[Leomard Sportsinterviews|Lem Sportsinterviews]].
*The gnawing pose for The Cheat was last used in [[personal favorites]]. In the [[personal favorites#Commentary Transcript|DVD commentary]], [[The Brothers Chaps]] mention wanting to use that pose again.
*Strong Bad has a blacklight unicorn painting, as seen in the [[Strong Bad's Room Main Page]].
*The School Paste in Strong Mad's room was first seen in Strong Sad's room in the Email [[depressio]].
*The tune that Strong Bad uses to sing the opening lines of the e-mail is very similar to the tune to the "Pardon Our Problems" sign at the end of [[Fall Float Parade]].
*Strong Mad's box of "TendaRONi" is another appearance of [[Lowercase i's|lowercase "''i''"s]].
*The unnecessary [[Wikipedia:Heavy metal umlaut|umlauts]] in "Trüe Mästers" mirror those in "Witches' Brüe" from [[Halloween Fairstival]].
*[[Wikipedia:Mulligatawny|Mulligatawny]], a kind of soup, also appeared in the [[Experimental Film#Commentary Transcript 2|DVD commentary for Experimental Film]].

===Real-World References===
*The Rad Rad Robotank is likely a double-reference to [[Wikipedia:Transformers Universes|Transformers]] (the head is that of [[Wikipedia:Optimus Prime|Optimus Prime]]), and to the [[Wikipedia:Newgrounds|Newgrounds.com logo]] (the overall pose is very similar).
**The fact that it appears as a stencil is possibly a jab at Newgrounds' tendency to encourage people to place their [http://www.newgrounds.com/stickers/ promotional stickers] everywhere.
*[[Wikipedia:Chef Boyardee|Chef Boyardee]] was an Italian chef who is famous for his canned food franchise.
*The black and white portrait of Strong Bad bears a strong resemblence to ones found in ''[[Wikipedia:The Wall Street Journal|The Wall Street Journal]]'', which is probably the "rich-guy newspaper" he was referring to.
*Strong Bad mentions "anybody with a useless Master of Fine Arts Degree." [[Mike Chapman]] has a Bachelor of Fine Arts degree, and dropped out of graduate school feeling that his photographic style was not commercially viable.

==External Links==
*[[HR:sbemail139.html|Watch "portrait"]]
*[[HR:sbemail139.swf|View the Flash file for "portrait"]]
*[[Forum:6116|forum thread re: portrait]]

{{Strong Bad Email}}

portrait

2005-12-06T05:39:25Z

Rob: /* Transcript */

[[Image:Sbemail139.png|thumb|Done by a Deutsch Master]]

'''Strong Bad Email #139'''

Strong Bad tries to make a portrait of himself.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, [[Lord Quackingstick]], {{Film|The Cheat}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|Strong Mad}}

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Strong Mad's Room]], [[Strong Bad's Basement]], [[The Field]] (Easter egg)

'''Computer:''' [[Lappy 486]]

'''Date:''' December 4, 2005

'''Running Time:''' 3:37
==Transcript==
'''STRONG BAD:''' Hey everybody, it's a musical Strong Bad Email this week! ''{presses enter}'' ''{singing}'' Doo doo doo Dear, Dear Strong Bad, oh I was wondering—''{stops singing}'' I can't keep this up.

<blockquote class="email"><div>subject: portrait</div>
Dear Strong Bad- 
I was wondering if you ever wanted to have somebody 
paint a portrait of  your greatness. 
guess what, it's- 
Dylan Bragers (aka Coolio da Fabio) 
Texas
</blockquote>

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Guess what? Nobody calls you Coolio da Fabio (aka quit making up nicknames for yourself.) ''[sic]'' I'm just gonna call you Dealin' Burgers, which I assume doubles as an accurate job description.

''{Clears screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Moving onwardly, I suppose my greatness is worthy of portraiture. Perhaps one done by a Deutsch Master.

''{Cut to a portrait of Strong Bad, in a long-haired wig, a beret, and a toga, holding a toy stick with a duck's head on the end. The painting is in a gold frame, with a museum placard beside it (see [[#Trivia|below]]).}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' The kind that are always getting stolen or vandalized by art bandits.

''{The Cheat appears from the top, wearing a black mask, skullcap, and a t-shirt reading "4rt b4ndit". He places a stencil over the painting and paints a "robotank", along with the words "RAD, RAD ROBOTANK", in pink spray paint.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{offscreen}'' Thanks little buddy; now it's worth something.

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{obliging The Cheat noises; salutes}''

''{Cut back to the Lappy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{resumes typing}'' Or what about one of those black and white ink portraits you see in all the rich-guy newspapers.

''{Cut to a black-and-white newspaper. An image of Strong Bad in a suit and tie and holding a large cell phone is in the center.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Well apparently they're not rich enough to afford any color. Or even solid lines... Just a bunch of dots and dashes. I look like Morse code. ''{imitating Morse code}'' Dah dah dah dee dee dee... I a-am ho-o-olding a real-ly ol-d cel-l-l pho-o-one.

''{Cut back to the Lappy. The screen has cleared.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Oops. No. Hey, I got it! A painting of such greatness demands only the finest materials. And what could be finer than black velvet in a cheap imitation wood frame? It would be showcased—

''{Cut to the velvet painting. It shows Strong Bad holding a skunk. A lamp with a moose on it can be seen to the left.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' —in only the fanciest double-wide trailers. Oh, and look! I finally caught that skunk. I been chasing after that little scamp for—Whoa!—

''{The shot suddenly shifts to the right to reveal a poster of a unicorn on a snowmobile with the caption "Born to be danged!!!". Another moose lamp is seen on the right.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' —Is that a blacklight poster of a unicorn riding a snowmobile?! Now ''that'' is some esteemed company.

''{A [[Cold One|Cold One Ice]] flies at the lamp and shatters it.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{sleepy}'' Thanks for breaking my moose lamp.

''{Cut back to the Lappy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Unfortunately, I don't know anybody with a useless Master of Fine Arts degree, so I might have to settle for something a bit more, how you say, made by Strong Mad or The Cheat.

''{Cut to The Cheat, who is noisily gnawing Strong Bad's face into a log.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Very... uh, slobbery, The Cheat. This isn't quite what I had in mind when you said "sculpture."

''{Music starts playing.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' You're really just... goin' to town there, aren't ya?

''{Strong Bad stares at The Cheat working for a moment.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I'm gonna ''{motioning with his glove}'' leave you two alone.

''{Strong Bad backs away. Cut to Strong Mad's room. Strong Mad is sprinkling glitter over a macaroni picture. Strong Bad walks up.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, nice work, Chef Boyardee.

''{Cut to a close-up of the picture.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Like I couldn't have gone down to the kindergarten and hired a five-year-old to make me one of those.

''{Cut back to the wide shot.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ...Except that sounds pretty creepy and I'd probably go to jail.

'''STRONG MAD:''' ''{slams the glitter down}'' I'LL WAIT FOR YOU!!

''{Cut back to the Lappy. Strong Bad sits down.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Well, thanks to my no-talent minions, it looks like a self-portrait is the only way to go. And I will render it in nothing less than the classic style of the Trüe Mästers.

''{Cut to a shot of Strong Bad, who has somehow fit his head into a wooden cutout of a muscular man holding a sword with a keyboard on it. The man has "SB" written on his stomach and is holding a falcon. His one visible leg wears a boot that looks vaguely similar to a [['Lectric Boots|'Lectric Boot]]. There are also two cans of paint nearby, labeled "Some Paint" and "Some More Paint". There is also a cutout of a mermaid at his feet with an empty space for a head. He paints it with a small brush.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ah, at last: A self-portrait that accurately depicts who I am, where I'm from, and my passing interest in falconry.

''{He tries to get out.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Uh, oh. ''{keeps trying}'' How do I get outta this thing?

''{Cut to the reverse angle. He can be seen hanging by his head.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' How did I get ''into'' this thing? ''{kicks his legs together a few times}''

''{Cut back to the front view. He holds up the duck-head toy from the first portrait.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{making the bird talk}'' Quack, quack.

''{Cut to a close-up.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Why, Lord Quackingstick, how nice to see you. You don't happen to have a hacksaw in your pocket, do you? ''{making the bird talk}'' Quack, quack.

''{Cut back to the wide shot.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, too bad. ''{looking down at the mermaid}'' Well, what about you, Princess Shellbra?

''{He moves the bird-on-a-stick into the face hole for the mermaid.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{making the bird talk in a high, sultry voice}'' Quack, quack. ''{speaking normally}'' But of course. I love to serenade you anytime with my ''{looks down to his right}'' mystical key-sword-tar. I mean it's not like I'm goin' anywhere... anytime soon.

''{[[The Paper]] comes down.}''

==Easter Eggs==
*Click the white card by the portrait by the Deutsch Master to see an "Adventures of [[Strong Badman]]" comic book.
*Click the key-sword-tar at the end to see a printable version of the robotank stencil The Cheat used to vandalize the painting.
*Click [[Lord Quackingstick]] at the end to see Strong Bad show off his key-sword-tar to Homestar.
:''{Cut to The Field with Homestar and Strong Bad holding the key-sword-tar, his head still in the hole, although it has been broken off from the rest of the portrait.}''
:'''STRONG BAD:''' So that's when I realized I don't even need lamaze classes.

:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Strong Bad, there's something different about you. Did you get a haircut?

:'''STRONG BAD:''' No, but I did get this new key-sword-tar. Maow, maow, maoooooooow. ''{falsetto}'' Keyboard, keyboooooard. ''{normal}'' Maow, maow, maooooooooow. ''{falsetto}'' Fight some brigands!! ''{Homestar holds up a [[SAAB Lighter|SAAB lighter]], Strong Bad's voice returns to normal}'' Maow Maow, Maoooow-ow-ow-ow-ow-ow-owwowwoww-whammy-barrrrruh.

==Fun Facts==
===Explanations===
* ''Deutsch'' is the German word for "german". Strong Bad uses it as a play on ''Dutch'', however (the similarity in sound has lead to confusions before such as the [[Wikipedia:Pennsylvania Dutch|Pennsylvania Dutch]], who are actually German). "Dutch masters" is a general term for the famous Dutch artists of the 17th century, such as [[Wikipedia:Rembrandt|Rembrandt]] and [[Wikipedia:Vermeer|Vermeer]]. "[[Wikipedia:Dutch Masters|Dutch Masters]]" is also a specific name for a brand of cigars.
* [[Wikipedia:Falconry|Falconry]] is the art or sport of training raptors (birds of prey) to hunt or pursue game.
*[[Wikipedia:Lamaze|Lamaze]] is a relaxation technique designed to avoid the use of pain-killing drugs during childbirth.

===Trivia===
* This email was released late Sunday night Atlanta time, but the website claimed that its release date was on Monday.
* The card next to the first portrait reads:
<blockquote style="font-family:Times,serif;border:2px solid black;background:#fff;color:#000;width:120px">
Strongio da Baddio 
DaVantres 
''c. 1658''</blockquote>
* The picture's captions read "Sell phones or ''Cell'' phones?" above and "''Strong Bad''" below. A lower headline reads "Banks have "money"".
* The left side of the newspaper reads:
<blockquote style="font-family:Times,serif;border:2px solid black;background:#ffffff;color:#000;width:150px">
<big><big>Mulligatawny</big></big> 
stew rose high in 
the markets today 
fter rumors spread 
a really sweet deal 
over at my place 
usually get started 
d nine and go until 
who knows when! 
Pork bellies will be 
erved around 8-ish. 
tures to follow at 9 
ase bring your own 
pkins if you're into 
 that crap. Not me. 
ipe hands on pants, 
 yo. Anyways, I'm 
ally rich and money 
s still very valuable.
</blockquote>

* The right side of the newspaper reads:

<blockquote style="font-family:Times,serif;border:2px solid black;background:#ffffff;color:#000;width:240px">
<big><big>G</big>igantic cell phone</big> 
making a 4th quart 
comeback as the the "it' 
toy of the Decemberwe 
season. "Who wants to 
put a phone in their poc 
when you can carry aro 
a separate suitcase just 
for a portable, wireless 
mobile, take-anywhere 
cellular telephone. Ma 
analysts predict all the 
cool kids will be luggi 
these stylish jobbies fr 
prom dance to soccer 
practice in 2006. 
 "I want a cell phone 
that is quite large," say 
the sleepy rabbit. 
The technology sector is anticipating 
other woodland creatures to be amon 
early adopters of the new technology
</blockquote>

===Remarks===
*Homestar's lighter in the key-sword-tar Easter egg is a [[Wikipedia:Saab|Saab]] lighter, as opposed to Strong Bad's [[BMW Lighter|BMW one]].
*The fours in The Cheat's ''4rt b4ndit'' shirt are another example of [[Wikipedia:Leet|Leetspeak]] in the toons.
*Strong Bad mentions a [[Wikipedia:whammy bar|whammy bar]], or tremolo arm, while playing his key-sword-tar (a pun on the [[Wikipedia:Keytar|Keytar]]). However, only actual guitars have these.

===Goofs===

*The second small line on the right newspaper paragraph repeats the word "the".
*In the Easter egg, when Strong Bad is moving the cardboard cutout of the key-sword-tar around, the picture reverses direction.
*Strong Bad mistypes the his line "Guess what? Nobody calls you Coolio da Fabio (aka quit making up nicknames for yourself)." The full stop should be outside the brackets, Strong Bad types it inside.

===Inside References===
*Homestar's line "Thanks for breaking my moose lamp" is a reference to [[caper]], where he thanked Strong Bad and The Cheat for breaking his [[Cow Lamp|cow lamp]].
*A Strong Badman comic appeared in connection with a "Deutschman" in [[haircut]].
*The velvet painting of Strong Bad holding the skunk was done by [[Leomard Sportsinterviews|Lem Sportsinterviews]].
*The gnawing pose for The Cheat was last used in [[personal favorites]]. In the [[personal favorites#Commentary Transcript|DVD commentary]], [[The Brothers Chaps]] mention wanting to use that pose again.
*Strong Bad has a blacklight unicorn painting, as seen in the [[Strong Bad's Room Main Page]].
*The School Paste in Strong Mad's room was first seen in Strong Sad's room in the Email [[depressio]].
*The tune that Strong Bad uses to sing the opening lines of the e-mail is very similar to the tune to the "Pardon Our Problems" sign at the end of [[Fall Float Parade]].
*Strong Mad's box of "TendaRONi" is another appearance of [[Lowercase i's|lowercase "''i''"s]].
*The unnecessary [[Wikipedia:Heavy metal umlaut|umlauts]] in "Trüe Mästers" mirror those in "Witches' Brüe" from [[Halloween Fairstival]].
*[[Wikipedia:Mulligatawny|Mulligatawny]], a kind of soup, also appeared in the [[Experimental Film#Commentary Transcript 2|DVD commentary for Experimental Film]].

===Real-World References===
*The Rad Rad Robotank is likely a double-reference to [[Wikipedia:Transformers Universes|Transformers]] (the head is that of [[Wikipedia:Optimus Prime|Optimus Prime]]), and to the [[Wikipedia:Newgrounds|Newgrounds.com logo]] (the overall pose is very similar).
**The fact that it appears as a stencil is possibly a jab at Newgrounds' tendency to encourage people to place their [http://www.newgrounds.com/stickers/ promotional stickers] everywhere.
*[[Wikipedia:Chef Boyardee|Chef Boyardee]] was an Italian chef who is famous for his canned food franchise.
*The black and white portrait of Strong Bad bears a strong resemblence to ones found in ''[[Wikipedia:The Wall Street Journal|The Wall Street Journal]]'', which is probably the "rich-guy newspaper" he was referring to.
*Strong Bad mentions "anybody with a useless Master of Fine Arts Degree." [[Mike Chapman]] has a Bachelor of Fine Arts degree, and dropped out of graduate school feeling that his photographic style was not commercially viable.

==External Links==
*[[HR:sbemail139.html|Watch "portrait"]]
*[[HR:sbemail139.swf|View the Flash file for "portrait"]]
*[[Forum:6116|forum thread re: portrait]]

{{Strong Bad Email}}

portrait

2005-12-06T05:37:54Z

Rob: Added a goof, I'm pretty sure I'm right about it

[[Image:Sbemail139.png|thumb|Done by a Deutsch Master]]

'''Strong Bad Email #139'''

Strong Bad tries to make a portrait of himself.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, [[Lord Quackingstick]], {{Film|The Cheat}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|Strong Mad}}

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Strong Mad's Room]], [[Strong Bad's Basement]], [[The Field]] (Easter egg)

'''Computer:''' [[Lappy 486]]

'''Date:''' December 4, 2005

'''Running Time:''' 3:37
==Transcript==
'''STRONG BAD:''' Hey everybody, it's a musical Strong Bad Email this week! ''{presses enter}'' ''{singing}'' Doo doo doo Dear, Dear Strong Bad, oh I was wondering—''{stops singing}'' I can't keep this up.

<blockquote class="email"><div>subject: portrait</div>
Dear Strong Bad- 
I was wondering if you ever wanted to have somebody 
paint a portrait of  your greatness. 
guess what, it's- 
Dylan Bragers (aka Coolio da Fabio) 
Texas
</blockquote>

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Guess what? Nobody calls you Coolio da Fabio (aka quit making up nicknames for yourself.) ''[sic]'' I'm just gonna call you Dealin' Burgers, which I assume doubles as an accurate job description.

''{Clears screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Moving onwardly, I suppose my greatness is worthy of portraiture. Perhaps one done by a Deutsch Master.

''{Cut to a portrait of Strong Bad, in a long-haired wig, a beret, and a toga, holding a toy stick with a duck's head on the end. The painting is in a gold frame, with a museum placard beside it (see [[#Trivia|below]]).}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' The kind that are always getting stolen or vandalized by art bandits.

''{The Cheat appears from the top, wearing a black mask, skullcap, and a t-shirt reading "4rt b4ndit". He places a stencil over the painting and paints a "robotank", along with the words "RAD, RAD ROBOTANK", in pink spray paint.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{offscreen}'' Thanks little buddy; now it's worth something.

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{obliging The Cheat noises; salutes}''

''{Cut back to the Lappy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{resumes typing}'' Or what about one of those black and white ink portraits you see in all the rich-guy newspapers.

''{Cut to a black-and-white newspaper. An image of Strong Bad in a suit and tie and holding a large cell phone is in the center.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Well apparently they're not rich enough to afford any color. Or even solid lines... Just a bunch of dots and dashes. I look like Morse code. ''{imitating Morse code}'' Dah dah dah dee dee dee... I a-am ho-o-olding a real-ly ol-d cel-l-l pho-o-one.

''{Cut back to the Lappy. The screen has cleared.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Oops. No. Hey, I got it! A painting of such greatness demands only the finest materials. And what could be finer than black velvet in a cheap imitation wood frame? It would be showcased—

''{Cut to the velvet painting. It shows Strong Bad holding a skunk. A lamp with a moose on it can be seen to the left.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' —in only the fanciest double-wide trailers. Oh, and look! I finally caught that skunk. I been chasing after that little scamp for—Whoa!—

''{The shot suddenly shifts to the right to reveal a poster of a unicorn on a snowmobile with the caption "Born to be danged!!!". Another moose lamp is seen on the right.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' —Is that a blacklight poster of a unicorn riding a snowmobile?! Now ''that'' is some esteemed company.

''{A [[Cold One|Cold One Ice]] flies at the lamp and shatters it.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Thanks for breaking my moose lamp.

''{Cut back to the Lappy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Unfortunately, I don't know anybody with a useless Master of Fine Arts degree, so I might have to settle for something a bit more, how you say, made by Strong Mad or The Cheat.

''{Cut to The Cheat, who is noisily gnawing Strong Bad's face into a log.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Very... uh, slobbery, The Cheat. This isn't quite what I had in mind when you said "sculpture."

''{Music starts playing.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' You're really just... goin' to town there, aren't ya?

''{Strong Bad stares at The Cheat working for a moment.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I'm gonna ''{motioning with his glove}'' leave you two alone.

''{Strong Bad backs away. Cut to Strong Mad's room. Strong Mad is sprinkling glitter over a macaroni picture. Strong Bad walks up.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, nice work, Chef Boyardee.

''{Cut to a close-up of the picture.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Like I couldn't have gone down to the kindergarten and hired a five-year-old to make me one of those.

''{Cut back to the wide shot.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ...Except that sounds pretty creepy and I'd probably go to jail.

'''STRONG MAD:''' ''{slams the glitter down}'' I'LL WAIT FOR YOU!!

''{Cut back to the Lappy. Strong Bad sits down.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Well, thanks to my no-talent minions, it looks like a self-portrait is the only way to go. And I will render it in nothing less than the classic style of the Trüe Mästers.

''{Cut to a shot of Strong Bad, who has somehow fit his head into a wooden cutout of a muscular man holding a sword with a keyboard on it. The man has "SB" written on his stomach and is holding a falcon. His one visible leg wears a boot that looks vaguely similar to a [['Lectric Boots|'Lectric Boot]]. There are also two cans of paint nearby, labeled "Some Paint" and "Some More Paint". There is also a cutout of a mermaid at his feet with an empty space for a head. He paints it with a small brush.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ah, at last: A self-portrait that accurately depicts who I am, where I'm from, and my passing interest in falconry.

''{He tries to get out.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Uh, oh. ''{keeps trying}'' How do I get outta this thing?

''{Cut to the reverse angle. He can be seen hanging by his head.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' How did I get ''into'' this thing? ''{kicks his legs together a few times}''

''{Cut back to the front view. He holds up the duck-head toy from the first portrait.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{making the bird talk}'' Quack, quack.

''{Cut to a close-up.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Why, Lord Quackingstick, how nice to see you. You don't happen to have a hacksaw in your pocket, do you? ''{making the bird talk}'' Quack, quack.

''{Cut back to the wide shot.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, too bad. ''{looking down at the mermaid}'' Well, what about you, Princess Shellbra?

''{He moves the bird-on-a-stick into the face hole for the mermaid.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{making the bird talk in a high, sultry voice}'' Quack, quack. ''{speaking normally}'' But of course. I love to serenade you anytime with my ''{looks down to his right}'' mystical key-sword-tar. I mean it's not like I'm goin' anywhere... anytime soon.

''{[[The Paper]] comes down.}''

==Easter Eggs==
*Click the white card by the portrait by the Deutsch Master to see an "Adventures of [[Strong Badman]]" comic book.
*Click the key-sword-tar at the end to see a printable version of the robotank stencil The Cheat used to vandalize the painting.
*Click [[Lord Quackingstick]] at the end to see Strong Bad show off his key-sword-tar to Homestar.
:''{Cut to The Field with Homestar and Strong Bad holding the key-sword-tar, his head still in the hole, although it has been broken off from the rest of the portrait.}''
:'''STRONG BAD:''' So that's when I realized I don't even need lamaze classes.

:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Strong Bad, there's something different about you. Did you get a haircut?

:'''STRONG BAD:''' No, but I did get this new key-sword-tar. Maow, maow, maoooooooow. ''{falsetto}'' Keyboard, keyboooooard. ''{normal}'' Maow, maow, maooooooooow. ''{falsetto}'' Fight some brigands!! ''{Homestar holds up a [[SAAB Lighter|SAAB lighter]], Strong Bad's voice returns to normal}'' Maow Maow, Maoooow-ow-ow-ow-ow-ow-owwowwoww-whammy-barrrrruh.

==Fun Facts==
===Explanations===
* ''Deutsch'' is the German word for "german". Strong Bad uses it as a play on ''Dutch'', however (the similarity in sound has lead to confusions before such as the [[Wikipedia:Pennsylvania Dutch|Pennsylvania Dutch]], who are actually German). "Dutch masters" is a general term for the famous Dutch artists of the 17th century, such as [[Wikipedia:Rembrandt|Rembrandt]] and [[Wikipedia:Vermeer|Vermeer]]. "[[Wikipedia:Dutch Masters|Dutch Masters]]" is also a specific name for a brand of cigars.
* [[Wikipedia:Falconry|Falconry]] is the art or sport of training raptors (birds of prey) to hunt or pursue game.
*[[Wikipedia:Lamaze|Lamaze]] is a relaxation technique designed to avoid the use of pain-killing drugs during childbirth.

===Trivia===
* This email was released late Sunday night Atlanta time, but the website claimed that its release date was on Monday.
* The card next to the first portrait reads:
<blockquote style="font-family:Times,serif;border:2px solid black;background:#fff;color:#000;width:120px">
Strongio da Baddio 
DaVantres 
''c. 1658''</blockquote>
* The picture's captions read "Sell phones or ''Cell'' phones?" above and "''Strong Bad''" below. A lower headline reads "Banks have "money"".
* The left side of the newspaper reads:
<blockquote style="font-family:Times,serif;border:2px solid black;background:#ffffff;color:#000;width:150px">
<big><big>Mulligatawny</big></big> 
stew rose high in 
the markets today 
fter rumors spread 
a really sweet deal 
over at my place 
usually get started 
d nine and go until 
who knows when! 
Pork bellies will be 
erved around 8-ish. 
tures to follow at 9 
ase bring your own 
pkins if you're into 
 that crap. Not me. 
ipe hands on pants, 
 yo. Anyways, I'm 
ally rich and money 
s still very valuable.
</blockquote>

* The right side of the newspaper reads:

<blockquote style="font-family:Times,serif;border:2px solid black;background:#ffffff;color:#000;width:240px">
<big><big>G</big>igantic cell phone</big> 
making a 4th quart 
comeback as the the "it' 
toy of the Decemberwe 
season. "Who wants to 
put a phone in their poc 
when you can carry aro 
a separate suitcase just 
for a portable, wireless 
mobile, take-anywhere 
cellular telephone. Ma 
analysts predict all the 
cool kids will be luggi 
these stylish jobbies fr 
prom dance to soccer 
practice in 2006. 
 "I want a cell phone 
that is quite large," say 
the sleepy rabbit. 
The technology sector is anticipating 
other woodland creatures to be amon 
early adopters of the new technology
</blockquote>

===Remarks===
*Homestar's lighter in the key-sword-tar Easter egg is a [[Wikipedia:Saab|Saab]] lighter, as opposed to Strong Bad's [[BMW Lighter|BMW one]].
*The fours in The Cheat's ''4rt b4ndit'' shirt are another example of [[Wikipedia:Leet|Leetspeak]] in the toons.
*Strong Bad mentions a [[Wikipedia:whammy bar|whammy bar]], or tremolo arm, while playing his key-sword-tar (a pun on the [[Wikipedia:Keytar|Keytar]]). However, only actual guitars have these.

===Goofs===

*The second small line on the right newspaper paragraph repeats the word "the".
*In the Easter egg, when Strong Bad is moving the cardboard cutout of the key-sword-tar around, the picture reverses direction.
*Strong Bad mistypes the his line "Guess what? Nobody calls you Coolio da Fabio (aka quit making up nicknames for yourself)." The full stop should be outside the brackets, Strong Bad types it inside.

===Inside References===
*Homestar's line "Thanks for breaking my moose lamp" is a reference to [[caper]], where he thanked Strong Bad and The Cheat for breaking his [[Cow Lamp|cow lamp]].
*A Strong Badman comic appeared in connection with a "Deutschman" in [[haircut]].
*The velvet painting of Strong Bad holding the skunk was done by [[Leomard Sportsinterviews|Lem Sportsinterviews]].
*The gnawing pose for The Cheat was last used in [[personal favorites]]. In the [[personal favorites#Commentary Transcript|DVD commentary]], [[The Brothers Chaps]] mention wanting to use that pose again.
*Strong Bad has a blacklight unicorn painting, as seen in the [[Strong Bad's Room Main Page]].
*The School Paste in Strong Mad's room was first seen in Strong Sad's room in the Email [[depressio]].
*The tune that Strong Bad uses to sing the opening lines of the e-mail is very similar to the tune to the "Pardon Our Problems" sign at the end of [[Fall Float Parade]].
*Strong Mad's box of "TendaRONi" is another appearance of [[Lowercase i's|lowercase "''i''"s]].
*The unnecessary [[Wikipedia:Heavy metal umlaut|umlauts]] in "Trüe Mästers" mirror those in "Witches' Brüe" from [[Halloween Fairstival]].
*[[Wikipedia:Mulligatawny|Mulligatawny]], a kind of soup, also appeared in the [[Experimental Film#Commentary Transcript 2|DVD commentary for Experimental Film]].

===Real-World References===
*The Rad Rad Robotank is likely a double-reference to [[Wikipedia:Transformers Universes|Transformers]] (the head is that of [[Wikipedia:Optimus Prime|Optimus Prime]]), and to the [[Wikipedia:Newgrounds|Newgrounds.com logo]] (the overall pose is very similar).
**The fact that it appears as a stencil is possibly a jab at Newgrounds' tendency to encourage people to place their [http://www.newgrounds.com/stickers/ promotional stickers] everywhere.
*[[Wikipedia:Chef Boyardee|Chef Boyardee]] was an Italian chef who is famous for his canned food franchise.
*The black and white portrait of Strong Bad bears a strong resemblence to ones found in ''[[Wikipedia:The Wall Street Journal|The Wall Street Journal]]'', which is probably the "rich-guy newspaper" he was referring to.
*Strong Bad mentions "anybody with a useless Master of Fine Arts Degree." [[Mike Chapman]] has a Bachelor of Fine Arts degree, and dropped out of graduate school feeling that his photographic style was not commercially viable.

==External Links==
*[[HR:sbemail139.html|Watch "portrait"]]
*[[HR:sbemail139.swf|View the Flash file for "portrait"]]
*[[Forum:6116|forum thread re: portrait]]

{{Strong Bad Email}}

HRWiki:Tour/End

2005-11-26T08:14:22Z

Rob: Better link name

Thank you for touring the [[Main Page|Homestar Runner Wiki]]. This is end of the tour. We hope that this tour has helped you get aquainted with our wiki and the way that it works. For more information, please ask a question at our [[HRWiki:The Stick|Community portal]].
----
*<big>[[HRWiki:HRWiki tour|Tour again]]
*[[Special:Random|Go to a random page]]</big>

[[Category:HRWiki tour|End]]

User talk:Joshua

2005-11-23T08:43:41Z

Rob: /* We speak American here dog-gonnit! */

== Stinkoman 20X6 sprites! ==

I love the animated sprites from Stinkoman 20X6 you've been getting. Are you planning on making any of 1-Up? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 22:31, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
:Um, not at the moment. They're just for Stinkoman 20X6 Enemies, and 1-Up isn't in there. They aren't too hard to make, though. - [[User:Joshua|Joshua]]

== Marzipan's Answering Machine moves ==

Why did you move these? They were correct as they were. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''
: Beat me to it. I was about to ask the very same question. --[[User:Jay|''Jay'']] [[User talk:Jay|(Talk)]] 02:02, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
:: I didn't like it and asked about it in the talk page, but when nobody responded, I decided to try it and see what the response was. I had every intention to change it back if it wasn't wanted, but it seems like you did that instead. -- [[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 02:16, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

:::If you watch the answering machines 9-12, you'll see that it says "Version #.2", but I'm sure you knew that. Thanks for understanding. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''
::::Yes, but as I stated in the talk page, I don't like it, and if we do that, we might as well make all the others X.0. I just don't think it's nessecary, and I think it looks worse. I understand why it was done, I just think it needs to be changed. -- [[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 12:11, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::We're just following what [[The Brothers Chaps]] do. If they decide suddenly to change all [[Strong Bad Emails]] to, say, "Strong Bad Email #5.8", we would, too. The other machine's don't need "#.0" on them because they don't on the offical site, yet the 9-12 do. Again, just doing what TBC do. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''
::Actually, they do have Version 2.0 and Version 5.0, in the same place where Version 10.2 is. -- [[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 12:49, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

== Places Strong Bad Made Up ==

Hi there Joshua. If you are moving an article's content to the [[Places Strong Bad Made Up]] page, don't mark the article for deletion. Instead, just redirect to Places Strong Bad Made Up. Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:32, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

== Signatures ==

Just noticced the problem you're having with your sig. In your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]], make sure the box is ticked that says "Raw Signatures (without automatic link)" or similar. This should fix your sig problems. --[[User:Venusy|Venusy]] <tt>([[User talk:Venusy|Talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Venusy|Contributions]])</tt>, 23:05, 6 May 2005 (BST) 
EDIT: And put the font tag <nowiki>[[After the line|</nowiki>'''HERE'''<nowiki>]]</nowiki>.

:Thanks. I just figured it out. -- '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''

== Kewpie ==

Hey, Joshua. I was going to share this on IRC chat, but since Freenode is refusing my connection, I thought I'd share this with you for fun. I'm at Disney World, and I was at the Boardwalk, and this stand was selling Kewpie dolls. I immediately thought of [[Kewpie Dan]]. Just needed to say this. :-D --[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]][[User_talk:Homsar999|ß]] 23:50, 3 Jul 2005 (EDT)

== Fanstuff Wiki ==

Hi, would you happen to know how to post a fanfic type thing at the fanstuff wiki? If you do, could you possibly help me, because I can't fuigure it out. [[User:Homestramy20|Homestramy20]] 08:27, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)

There, joshua, done and done. Now, do ya think you might be able to help me move it to fanstuff wiki? [[User:Homestramy20|Homestramy20]] 00:51, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Message==

I left you a message on your Fanstuff wiki talk page. [[User:H*R 700|H*R 700]]

I left you another message. I'm sorry. [[User:H*R 700|H*R 700]]

This seems as a good place as any to leave this. Joshua, excellent job with the [[The_Geddup_Noise|Geddup]]! I didn't know I'd be putting all this work in! Arg! But it's looking good! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:46, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== 1933 ==

Actually, it was not I who [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Pages&diff=114541&oldid=114538 first noticed this], but Darklinkskywalker. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:46, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC) P.S. If you're gonna put my name in the edit summary, notice the capitalization. I'd hate to be [[HRWiki:Da_Basement#Page-move_vandals_impersonating_members|confused for a troll]]. ;) But you can call me "Dot com" for short, if you want. :)
:But it was you who didn't want it to be changed to [[Old-Timey]] with everything else, because it had a verified date. - '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''
::Nah, I don't care about the actual date. [[1933]] just happens to be the name of the page for the pre-sound Old-Timey cartoons. That page could be called "Even More Old-Timey" and it would be just fine with me. Actually, that's a horrible title, but you get the point. My thinking on this subject is not very strong either way, but since 1933 is slightly more specific, I thought it should stay. I would, however, be interested in any suggestions or thoughts you have. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:25, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:Well, the page title itself reads "Old Timey." But as you said, I don't care either way. But do we even have proof that it was released in 1933 (2000)? It could very well be a 1934 thing. - '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''
::Like I said, the date itself isn't my area of expertise. Look at the [[Main Pages]] page again. I put in another link. Do you think that improves it? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:51, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:I don't know if that's an improvement. Either link to 1933 or link to Old-Timey, but not to both. Remember that the 1933 blatantly links to the Old-Timey page anyway. Linking to Old-Timey in the description is like... linking to something in transcript dialogue. - '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''
::Well, I see you changed it back. I don't care about this enough to really put up a good argument, but I will say once more that you seem to be fixating on the ''year'' 1933, when I'm saying that I was just linking to the page with the ''title'' "1933", because that's the page for the soundless H*R era. It's just like how "Old-Timey" used to be called "1936". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:08, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::Yes, well, that would have been a good arguement if it weren't for the fact that your "1936" thing is about a week late, and now supports my preference. - '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''

== Stop editing me! ==

'''Joshua!! Stop editing my stuff!! What'd I ever do to ''you''?!''' -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]]
:You were breaking the rules. So I fixed it so you wouldn't get in trouble. (Although it seems like you un-fixed it and got in trouble anyway.) - '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''

== ( )'s ==

Why not? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:49, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:Well, the way they were implimented was really messy. I wouldn't mind them back in if you could make them look neater. - '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''

== Random Toon ==
Sorry about changing the random toon thing, I didn't notice the piped link. -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 09:26, 17 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:It's okay. - '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''

== Quote of the Week archive ==

Hi there Joshua. There's no need to archive the [[Quote of the Week]] page. The page is neither too long nor does it have many images on it. Thanks anyway though.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:56, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:Are you sure? I mean, it's going to get long eventually, and the other two weeklies need archiving. I think they should be archived in a similar fashion as [[H*R.com updates 2005|H*R Updates]]. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}

::Have you determined if there is community consensus for this pretty major change? I already started a discussion on the [[Talk:Quote of the Week]] page, feel free to add to it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:00, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:::Well, I sort of did [[Talk:Weekly Fanstuff#Archive Page|here]]. I only got two replies, but they were both positive and that was 2+ weeks ago. I figured I would just do all three, starting with QotW. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:04, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== [[The Geddup Noise]] ==

Joshua,
Yes, we're still missing some! Like i mentioned before in the [[Talk:The_Geddup_Noise#Still_Pending_.26_Suggestions|discussion]], I only went through 70-95 for sure on my end. That's why I put the "[[Talk:The_Geddup_Noise#Gettup_Noise_Approved|geddup noise approved]]" table, so that we could coordinate what emails had yet to be checked and where the noise was found if at all. That way we don't unnecessarily duplicate efforts and also guarantee thoroughness. Unfortunately I haven't had the chace to Finish the table (I haven't even put info on the ones I didn't find on the 70-95 range, nor are all the ones listed in the page in this table), but it's there for that purpose. TTYL --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:33, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== Hi josua um im confused ==
What happened to the fanstuff wiki were is it this is Strongsad from the fanstuffwiki.
:See [[Talk:Main Page#What happened?|here]]. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 01:34, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Ok thanks im going on a account here how long will the fanstuff thing take--[[User:68.82.7.119|68.82.7.119]] 01:34, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:See [[Talk:Main Page#What happened?|here]]. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 01:35, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== Your redesigned User Page ==
Wow. I greatly admire what you've done with your User Page! Let me be the first to say how sleek and easy to nagivate it is now. Very impressive. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 03:55, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
:Thanks. I'm happy that I finally got a cool, unique main page. :) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 12:41, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

== Action captions ==
Hey, as long as you're overhauling old sbemails, can you fix problems with the ''{---}''-type action descriptions? [[HRWiki:Standards#Transcript]] seems to me to mean that brief descriptions should stay within the character's line, without a break, and may ''or may not'' be full sentences with capatilization and a period. Longer descriptions should get a new line, and the character can start speaking again after that. Those ''have'' to be full, capped, perioded, sentences. But if it has a period it should definitely start with cap, one way or the other. (I've also been reluctant to break character's sentences; see [[Family Resemblence]]. I left a lot of fairly short, full-sentence descriptions inline because otherwise Strong Bad's sentences would be chopped up into bunches of '''STRONG BAD:''' 's.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 13:21, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:I'm aware with how the standards work, although I missed the whole "actions more than a few words long should have their own line" part. I'll fix that up. (Also, I noticed [[modeling]] is a huge mess, I might fix that up soon) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 13:40, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::Also, I think all actions that take place inside the dialogue (and not on their own line) should not be full sentences, for consistency's sake. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}

== Sorry! ==

Sorry that I accidentally deleted your talk page. I was actually trying to delete "User talk:Joshua ON WHEELS" *rolleyes* {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 22:49, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

== We speak American here dog-gonnit! ==

In reference to your revert about Enligsh spelling, I have a general question. I am American and so are the creators of H*R, but what are the wiki standards of language. This is obviously an int'l site as JoeyDay the commander-in-chief of this wiki is an Aussie. How do we determine spelling for things such as color vs colour? From any Aussies, I'd also be interested to know if your spelling closer resemble, American or English spellings?
{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 14:53, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
:See [[HRWiki_talk:FAQ#English_English_v._American_English_Spelling|here]] for a dicussion on this subject. And incidentally, you may want to read the second paragraph on [[User:JoeyDay|this page]] as well. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 15:09, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
::JoeyDay is an American, but this is an international site as it contains users from America, Canada, the UK, Australia, etc. Anyway, when it comes to favorite vs. favourite, do what you like, but I'm going to do it the way TBC do it. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 15:33, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
:::I stand corrected on Joey's country of origin. If there are any Aussie's here, I'd still be interested in how they spell? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}}
::::You could ask [[User:Phlip|Phlip]], [[User:Rainer|Rainer]], or [[User:Pertmywert|Pertmywert]]. They are all from Australia. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:57, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
:::One of my friends, [[User:Super Sam|Super Sam]], is an Aussie. He spells stuff with unnessecary vowels. (i.e. colour) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 16:17, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
::Australian English generally is a mixture of both British and American English, however leans a lot more towrads British English. For example, we spell words like: "colour", "favourite", "defence", "cheque" and use words like "lift", "tap" and "aeroplane". That's not to say that ''some'' American words aren't favoured (darn "u"!) over British words (e.g. we use "truck", not "lorry"). {{User:Rainer/sig}} 08:30, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

== Games Menu Easter Egg pics ==

Good job on getting better pics for that table. I don't have any editing software at my current PC. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:53, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
:Thanks. I would have done more if it weren't for school. :S - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 15:06, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

== MARSHIEMAN ALERT! ==

Hurry, Marshieman's back. {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

== Fanstuff ==

Can you help me at the Fanstuff? Its freakin' annoying doing it by myself. But so far I've been doing it for a while now. {{User:Bassium!/sig}}
:Not right now... I'm kind of working on a project here. Why don't you take a rest for a while? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 01:24, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah, thats a good idea, but I'm OCD and I uhm, want to be an admin just like everybody else 'tho. {{User:Bassium!/sig}}
:::Dude, you had just trolled the main page and then told Tom to block you. Sorry, but you are far from being an admin. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 01:27, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

::::Well, duh I know that, but I still want to be one[[User:Bassium!|Bassium!]]
:::::Too bad, bub. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}

Hey Joshua... umm how can I put this. I want to create an account on fanstuff, but new user registration is disabled. And like, Ive been writing some stuff for fanstuff. So is there anyway you can help me out? {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 04:46, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
:Dan, I can set that up for you. Meet me in the [[HRWiki:IRC_channel|#hrwiki channel]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:52, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
::Thanks for your help, It's dot com. :) {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 05:05, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
:::No probalo. :) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

User talk:Joshua

2005-11-23T08:30:06Z

Rob: /* We speak American here dog-gonnit! */ A.A.A. - An Australian Answer

== Stinkoman 20X6 sprites! ==

I love the animated sprites from Stinkoman 20X6 you've been getting. Are you planning on making any of 1-Up? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 22:31, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
:Um, not at the moment. They're just for Stinkoman 20X6 Enemies, and 1-Up isn't in there. They aren't too hard to make, though. - [[User:Joshua|Joshua]]

== Marzipan's Answering Machine moves ==

Why did you move these? They were correct as they were. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''
: Beat me to it. I was about to ask the very same question. --[[User:Jay|''Jay'']] [[User talk:Jay|(Talk)]] 02:02, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
:: I didn't like it and asked about it in the talk page, but when nobody responded, I decided to try it and see what the response was. I had every intention to change it back if it wasn't wanted, but it seems like you did that instead. -- [[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 02:16, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

:::If you watch the answering machines 9-12, you'll see that it says "Version #.2", but I'm sure you knew that. Thanks for understanding. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''
::::Yes, but as I stated in the talk page, I don't like it, and if we do that, we might as well make all the others X.0. I just don't think it's nessecary, and I think it looks worse. I understand why it was done, I just think it needs to be changed. -- [[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 12:11, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::We're just following what [[The Brothers Chaps]] do. If they decide suddenly to change all [[Strong Bad Emails]] to, say, "Strong Bad Email #5.8", we would, too. The other machine's don't need "#.0" on them because they don't on the offical site, yet the 9-12 do. Again, just doing what TBC do. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''
::Actually, they do have Version 2.0 and Version 5.0, in the same place where Version 10.2 is. -- [[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 12:49, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

== Places Strong Bad Made Up ==

Hi there Joshua. If you are moving an article's content to the [[Places Strong Bad Made Up]] page, don't mark the article for deletion. Instead, just redirect to Places Strong Bad Made Up. Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:32, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

== Signatures ==

Just noticced the problem you're having with your sig. In your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]], make sure the box is ticked that says "Raw Signatures (without automatic link)" or similar. This should fix your sig problems. --[[User:Venusy|Venusy]] <tt>([[User talk:Venusy|Talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Venusy|Contributions]])</tt>, 23:05, 6 May 2005 (BST) 
EDIT: And put the font tag <nowiki>[[After the line|</nowiki>'''HERE'''<nowiki>]]</nowiki>.

:Thanks. I just figured it out. -- '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''

== Kewpie ==

Hey, Joshua. I was going to share this on IRC chat, but since Freenode is refusing my connection, I thought I'd share this with you for fun. I'm at Disney World, and I was at the Boardwalk, and this stand was selling Kewpie dolls. I immediately thought of [[Kewpie Dan]]. Just needed to say this. :-D --[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]][[User_talk:Homsar999|ß]] 23:50, 3 Jul 2005 (EDT)

== Fanstuff Wiki ==

Hi, would you happen to know how to post a fanfic type thing at the fanstuff wiki? If you do, could you possibly help me, because I can't fuigure it out. [[User:Homestramy20|Homestramy20]] 08:27, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)

There, joshua, done and done. Now, do ya think you might be able to help me move it to fanstuff wiki? [[User:Homestramy20|Homestramy20]] 00:51, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Message==

I left you a message on your Fanstuff wiki talk page. [[User:H*R 700|H*R 700]]

I left you another message. I'm sorry. [[User:H*R 700|H*R 700]]

This seems as a good place as any to leave this. Joshua, excellent job with the [[The_Geddup_Noise|Geddup]]! I didn't know I'd be putting all this work in! Arg! But it's looking good! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:46, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== 1933 ==

Actually, it was not I who [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Pages&diff=114541&oldid=114538 first noticed this], but Darklinkskywalker. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:46, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC) P.S. If you're gonna put my name in the edit summary, notice the capitalization. I'd hate to be [[HRWiki:Da_Basement#Page-move_vandals_impersonating_members|confused for a troll]]. ;) But you can call me "Dot com" for short, if you want. :)
:But it was you who didn't want it to be changed to [[Old-Timey]] with everything else, because it had a verified date. - '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''
::Nah, I don't care about the actual date. [[1933]] just happens to be the name of the page for the pre-sound Old-Timey cartoons. That page could be called "Even More Old-Timey" and it would be just fine with me. Actually, that's a horrible title, but you get the point. My thinking on this subject is not very strong either way, but since 1933 is slightly more specific, I thought it should stay. I would, however, be interested in any suggestions or thoughts you have. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:25, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:Well, the page title itself reads "Old Timey." But as you said, I don't care either way. But do we even have proof that it was released in 1933 (2000)? It could very well be a 1934 thing. - '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''
::Like I said, the date itself isn't my area of expertise. Look at the [[Main Pages]] page again. I put in another link. Do you think that improves it? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:51, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:I don't know if that's an improvement. Either link to 1933 or link to Old-Timey, but not to both. Remember that the 1933 blatantly links to the Old-Timey page anyway. Linking to Old-Timey in the description is like... linking to something in transcript dialogue. - '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''
::Well, I see you changed it back. I don't care about this enough to really put up a good argument, but I will say once more that you seem to be fixating on the ''year'' 1933, when I'm saying that I was just linking to the page with the ''title'' "1933", because that's the page for the soundless H*R era. It's just like how "Old-Timey" used to be called "1936". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:08, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::Yes, well, that would have been a good arguement if it weren't for the fact that your "1936" thing is about a week late, and now supports my preference. - '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''

== Stop editing me! ==

'''Joshua!! Stop editing my stuff!! What'd I ever do to ''you''?!''' -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]]
:You were breaking the rules. So I fixed it so you wouldn't get in trouble. (Although it seems like you un-fixed it and got in trouble anyway.) - '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''

== ( )'s ==

Why not? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:49, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:Well, the way they were implimented was really messy. I wouldn't mind them back in if you could make them look neater. - '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''

== Random Toon ==
Sorry about changing the random toon thing, I didn't notice the piped link. -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 09:26, 17 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:It's okay. - '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''

== Quote of the Week archive ==

Hi there Joshua. There's no need to archive the [[Quote of the Week]] page. The page is neither too long nor does it have many images on it. Thanks anyway though.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:56, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:Are you sure? I mean, it's going to get long eventually, and the other two weeklies need archiving. I think they should be archived in a similar fashion as [[H*R.com updates 2005|H*R Updates]]. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}

::Have you determined if there is community consensus for this pretty major change? I already started a discussion on the [[Talk:Quote of the Week]] page, feel free to add to it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:00, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:::Well, I sort of did [[Talk:Weekly Fanstuff#Archive Page|here]]. I only got two replies, but they were both positive and that was 2+ weeks ago. I figured I would just do all three, starting with QotW. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:04, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== [[The Geddup Noise]] ==

Joshua,
Yes, we're still missing some! Like i mentioned before in the [[Talk:The_Geddup_Noise#Still_Pending_.26_Suggestions|discussion]], I only went through 70-95 for sure on my end. That's why I put the "[[Talk:The_Geddup_Noise#Gettup_Noise_Approved|geddup noise approved]]" table, so that we could coordinate what emails had yet to be checked and where the noise was found if at all. That way we don't unnecessarily duplicate efforts and also guarantee thoroughness. Unfortunately I haven't had the chace to Finish the table (I haven't even put info on the ones I didn't find on the 70-95 range, nor are all the ones listed in the page in this table), but it's there for that purpose. TTYL --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:33, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== Hi josua um im confused ==
What happened to the fanstuff wiki were is it this is Strongsad from the fanstuffwiki.
:See [[Talk:Main Page#What happened?|here]]. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 01:34, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Ok thanks im going on a account here how long will the fanstuff thing take--[[User:68.82.7.119|68.82.7.119]] 01:34, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:See [[Talk:Main Page#What happened?|here]]. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 01:35, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== Your redesigned User Page ==
Wow. I greatly admire what you've done with your User Page! Let me be the first to say how sleek and easy to nagivate it is now. Very impressive. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 03:55, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
:Thanks. I'm happy that I finally got a cool, unique main page. :) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 12:41, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

== Action captions ==
Hey, as long as you're overhauling old sbemails, can you fix problems with the ''{---}''-type action descriptions? [[HRWiki:Standards#Transcript]] seems to me to mean that brief descriptions should stay within the character's line, without a break, and may ''or may not'' be full sentences with capatilization and a period. Longer descriptions should get a new line, and the character can start speaking again after that. Those ''have'' to be full, capped, perioded, sentences. But if it has a period it should definitely start with cap, one way or the other. (I've also been reluctant to break character's sentences; see [[Family Resemblence]]. I left a lot of fairly short, full-sentence descriptions inline because otherwise Strong Bad's sentences would be chopped up into bunches of '''STRONG BAD:''' 's.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 13:21, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:I'm aware with how the standards work, although I missed the whole "actions more than a few words long should have their own line" part. I'll fix that up. (Also, I noticed [[modeling]] is a huge mess, I might fix that up soon) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 13:40, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::Also, I think all actions that take place inside the dialogue (and not on their own line) should not be full sentences, for consistency's sake. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}

== Sorry! ==

Sorry that I accidentally deleted your talk page. I was actually trying to delete "User talk:Joshua ON WHEELS" *rolleyes* {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 22:49, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

== We speak American here dog-gonnit! ==

In reference to your revert about Enligsh spelling, I have a general question. I am American and so are the creators of H*R, but what are the wiki standards of language. This is obviously an int'l site as JoeyDay the commander-in-chief of this wiki is an Aussie. How do we determine spelling for things such as color vs colour? From any Aussies, I'd also be interested to know if your spelling closer resemble, American or English spellings?
{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 14:53, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
:See [[HRWiki_talk:FAQ#English_English_v._American_English_Spelling|here]] for a dicussion on this subject. And incidentally, you may want to read the second paragraph on [[User:JoeyDay|this page]] as well. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 15:09, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
::JoeyDay is an American, but this is an international site as it contains users from America, Canada, the UK, Australia, etc. Anyway, when it comes to favorite vs. favourite, do what you like, but I'm going to do it the way TBC do it. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 15:33, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
:::I stand corrected on Joey's country of origin. If there are any Aussie's here, I'd still be interested in how they spell? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}}
::::You could ask [[User:Phlip|Phlip]], [[User:Rainer|Rainer]], or [[User:Pertmywert|Pertmywert]]. They are all from Australia. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:57, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
:::One of my friends, [[User:Super Sam|Super Sam]], is an Aussie. He spells stuff with unnessecary vowels. (i.e. colour) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 16:17, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
::Australian English generally is a mixture of both British and American English, however leans a lot more towrads British English. For example, we spell words like: "colour", "favourite", "defence", and use words like "lift", "tap" and "aeroplane". That's not to say that ''some'' American words aren't favoured (darn "u"!) over British words (e.g. we use "truck", not "lorry"). {{User:Rainer/sig}} 08:30, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

== Games Menu Easter Egg pics ==

Good job on getting better pics for that table. I don't have any editing software at my current PC. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:53, 27 October 2005 (UTC)
:Thanks. I would have done more if it weren't for school. :S - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 15:06, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

== MARSHIEMAN ALERT! ==

Hurry, Marshieman's back. {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

== Fanstuff ==

Can you help me at the Fanstuff? Its freakin' annoying doing it by myself. But so far I've been doing it for a while now. {{User:Bassium!/sig}}
:Not right now... I'm kind of working on a project here. Why don't you take a rest for a while? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 01:24, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah, thats a good idea, but I'm OCD and I uhm, want to be an admin just like everybody else 'tho. {{User:Bassium!/sig}}
:::Dude, you had just trolled the main page and then told Tom to block you. Sorry, but you are far from being an admin. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 01:27, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

::::Well, duh I know that, but I still want to be one[[User:Bassium!|Bassium!]]
:::::Too bad, bub. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}

Hey Joshua... umm how can I put this. I want to create an account on fanstuff, but new user registration is disabled. And like, Ive been writing some stuff for fanstuff. So is there anyway you can help me out? {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 04:46, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
:Dan, I can set that up for you. Meet me in the [[HRWiki:IRC_channel|#hrwiki channel]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:52, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
::Thanks for your help, It's dot com. :) {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 05:05, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
:::No probalo. :) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

Help talk:Color codes

2005-11-23T08:27:45Z

Rob: Help talk:color codes moved to Help talk:Color codes

This should probably be moved into either HRWiki: or Help:, probably the latter. It certainly doesn't have anthing directly to do with Homestar Runner... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 16:34, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Help:Color codes

2005-11-23T08:27:45Z

Rob: Help:color codes moved to Help:Color codes

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User:Joshua

2005-11-23T08:08:34Z

Rob: Google is a proper noun

__NOTOC__<div align="center" style="border: 3px solid #336633; margin-bottom: 0.5em; padding: .5em 1em 1em; font-size: 100%; color: #FFF; background-color: #007700">'''Hey there, everypeoples! My name is Joshua and I'm fifteen years old. I love the Homestar Runner website and [[The Cheat|The Cheat]] is my favorite character. I found this site while looking for a [[50K Racewalk|50K Racewalk]] guide on Google and have been contributing to it ever since. I strong suggest you visit the [[HRFWiki:Main Page|Fanstuff Wiki]]. It is awesome, and I'm a sysop there. :)'''</div>

<div align="center" style="border: 3px solid #FF0000; margin-bottom: 0.5em; padding: .5em 1em 1em; font-size: 100%; color: #000; background-color: #FF4500">'''Although I spend most of my time on the Fanstuff Wiki, working on projects such as [[HRFWiki:Other Character Email Tampo|Tampo Emails]], I am a heavy contributor here. The following section will show you alphabetically the pages that I have greatly worked on, some more than others. Even the ones I call "Minor Contributions" are large.</div>
{| cellspacing="3"
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=== Major Contributions ===
* '''[[Ballad of The Sneak Visuals]]'''
* '''[[King of Town's Castle]]'''
* '''[[Minor Alternate Versions]]: Mario Paint & Retro Gaming'''
* '''[[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters]]'''
* '''[[Old-Timey Other Costumes]]'''
* '''[[Rock Opera Visuals]]'''
* '''[[Stinkoman 20X6 Enemies]]'''
* '''[[Stinkoman 20X6 Playable Characters]]'''
* '''[[Stinkoman 20X6 Walkthrough]]: [[Stinkoman 20X6 Walkthrough Level 1|Level 1]] [[Stinkoman 20X6 Walkthrough Level 2|Level 2]] & [[Stinkoman 20X6 Walkthrough Level 3|Level 3]]'''
* '''[[Strong Bad Email By Place]]'''
* '''[[Strong Bad Email By Length]]'''
* '''[[The Li'l Brudder Show]]'''
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=== Minor Contributions ===
* '''[[Characters]]'''
* '''[[Everybody Everybody Poster]]'''
* '''[[Everybody to the Limit Visuals]]'''
* '''[[Homestar Runner#Homestar's eyes|Homestar's Eyes]]'''
* '''"Hurt By" sections of [[Teen Girl Squad]] Charcters'''
* '''[[In Search of the Yello Dello Storyboards]]'''
* '''[[Random Toon]]'''
* '''Renaming 1936 to [[Old-Timey]]'''
* '''[[Stinkoman 20X6]]'''
* '''[[Strong Bad Email By Name]]'''
* '''[[Strong Sad Evolution]]'''
* '''[[Strumstar Hammer]]'''
* '''[[The Geddup Noise]]'''
* '''[[TV Shows]]'''
|}
<div align="center" style="border: 3px solid #1E90FF; margin-bottom: 0.5em; padding: .5em 1em 1em; font-size: 100%; color: #000; background-color: #00BFFF">'''So that is all I need to say here. For more information on me, see my [[HRFWiki:User:Joshua|Fanstuff Wiki Userspace]]. This is Joshua, signing off.'''</div>

<div align="center" style="border: 3px solid #778899; margin-bottom: 0.5em; padding: .5em 1em 1em; font-size: 100%; color: #000; background-color: #B0C4DE">
'''[[User:Joshua|Knowledge Base]] | [[HRFWiki:User:Joshua|Fanstuff]] | [http://forum.hrwiki.org/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=1511 Forum] | [http://s13.invisionfree.com/Fanstuff/index.php?showuser=3 Fanstuff Forum] | [[Wikipedia:User:Joshua368|Wikipedia]]'''</div>

Other Sightings

2005-11-20T03:30:34Z

Rob: /* ''Robots The Movie'' */ Removed, this is probably not a reference

===''505 Unbelievably Stupid Web Pages''===
On page 125 of [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1402201427/qid=1071549961/ this book], "Strongbad E-Mail" is listed as link number 256. The writer claims "...the answers to these questions require as much thought as you'd expect from a baboon."

=== ''BigStuf Camp'' ===
The youth camp program "BigStuf" held in Panama City, FL every year is home to several Homestar Runner sightings: The violin player in the camp's band consistently wears various Homestar Runner shirts, and a Homestar Runner character is always thanked on the last day of camp every year. In 2004, it was Homestar Runner. In 2005, it was Coach Z.

=== ''Celebration 3'' ===
[[Image:53028701.jpg|thumb|Homestar on X-Wing]]
Before ''[[Wikipedia:Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith|Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith]]'', the official fan club held a convention in the Indiana Convention Center, where they showed cars modeled after several ships from the [[Wikipedia:Star Wars|Star Wars universe]]. One of the [[Wikipedia:X-Wing|X-Wing]] cars had a Homestar Runner cling sticker on it.

===''Great Teacher Largo Panel, Otakon''===
At the GLT panel, during the question and answer session, someone asked how Largo "typed with boxing gloves on". Largo replied that he was not Strong Bad, but he does "rock out like Trogdor" and sometimes his computer gets "burninated". 

===''Macromedia Flash 8 Conference''===
[[Image:homestar_in_flash_8.png|thumb|H*R in Flash Player 8]]
As part of the first showing of the unreleased at the time [http://www.macromedia.com/flash Macromedia Flash Player] 8, a graphical demo was shown with various effects that will be available in the new player being applied to both graphics, text, animations and movies on the fly. Of all the animations on the web, the Macromedia developers decided to feature both [[Homestar Runner]] and an animated [[The Homestar Runner]], showing the new effects being applied to their forms.

This was the first use of Homestar Runner by Macromedia, the later being the short, [[Where the Crap Are We?]], which appeared as an easter egg in the about dialog of [http://www.macromedia.com/software/central/ Macromedia Central].

*[http://hsrforum.com/files/homestar_in_flash_8.wmv See the short, cut video (low resolution)]
*[http://www.hsrforum.com/files/hr_flash8_HiRes.wmv See the short, cut video (high resolution)]
*[http://www.moock.org/blog/archives/000146.html Listing of mirrors for the full technical demo movie]

===''Official Rock-Paper-Scissors Strategy Guide''===
In a sample tournament bracket in this book on page 163, one of the players is Trogdor.

=== ''Pumpkin!'' ===
Around Halloween 2004, at "[http://www.osf.com/ The Old Spaghetti Factory]" restaurant in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, they had a large collection of carved pumpkins all over the place, and one prominently placed pumpkin near the entrance had a (excellently carved) likeness of Homestar in it. This is quite significant, considering "The Old Spaghetti Factory" is a fairly [http://www.osf.com/locations/alllocations.html large] [http://www.oldspaghettifactory.ca/locations.html chain], and a higher class restaurant.

=== ''Super Size Me'' ===
In the movie ''[[IMDb:tt0390521|Super Size Me]]'', there are a group of kids at the computer watching an old Tandy era Strong Bad Email.
[[Category: Sightings]]

=== ''Musicmatch Jukebox'' ===
If you subscribed to 100,000,000 free songs one album you would be able to get was Strong Bad Sings.

{{Template:sightingslist}}
[[Category:Sightings]]

File:StinkSmasher 20X6.png

2005-11-20T03:27:16Z

Rob: I'm pretty sure I did...

The "StinkSmasher [[20X6]]," one of the appliances in ''The Sims: Makin' Magic''.

Image created by [[User:Rainer|Rainer]].

User talk:It's dot com

2005-11-17T05:35:45Z

Rob: Thanks For Your Help

==Technical help==
===How to add images===
Here's a quick rundown of how to add images:
#If you haven't already, read the [[HRWiki:Image_use_policy|image use policy]]. Note that the PNG format is preferred.
#Over in the toolbox on the left, click [[Special:Upload|Upload file]].
#(A) Browse to the file on your computer. (B) Write a brief description in the summary area. (C) Click the copyright checkbox. (D) Click "Upload file".
#Place code on your page in the following format, usually at the very top of the page (although you can place it in other places): <code><nowiki>[[Image:IMAGE NAME|thumb and/or POSITION|SIZE|CAPTION]]</nowiki></code>

To make an [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Gallery|image gallery]], use the wollowing format:
:<code><nowiki><gallery></nowiki>
:Image:image1.png|caption 1
:Image:image2.png|caption 2
:Image:image3.png|caption 3
:<nowiki></gallery></nowiki></code>
Start each picture on a new line. You can use links and full wiki markup in the captions.

Click on these links here for a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Picture_tutorial|tutorial]] and more [[MetaWikipedia:Help:Images and other uploaded files|technical info]] and [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Extended_image_syntax|syntax info]]. HRWiki policy allows [[HRWiki:User_page#What can_I_have_on_my_user_page?|one uploaded image]] per user with no questions asked. For an example, I placed the following code at the top of your page: <code><nowiki>[[Image:cheatgold.PNG|thumb|300px|I've got a gold tooth. Wanna see it? Tough!]]</nowiki></code> That's all. Have fun! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:33, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
:Thanx a bunch for telling me how to add images and adding an image and all that crap. Love your page. [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]]
::Anytime, my friend. It's my pleasure. And thanks for your comments about my page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:56, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

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===How to revert a page===
*YO! I do like what you did to my gallery, but I'd like to revert it for the time being. I do want to change it to your suggestion in the future, though. But, um, how do you revert? [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 02:56, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:It was more complicated than normal to revert your page since you had already made changes to it. Here are some basic instructions on how to revert:

<div style="margin-left:2em;padding:6px;border:1px dashed #666;background:#F5F5F5">
:'''To completely revert a page to a previous version:'''
#View the history of the page in question.
#Click on the time and date of the version to which you want to revert; this will bring up the page as it was.
#Click "edit" at the top of the old version; it will warn you that you're editing an out-of-date version.
#Type a comment in the summary, usually something like "reverted edit of so-and-so; changed to last version by what's her face".
#Click "Save page".</div>

<div style="margin-left:2em;padding:6px;border:1px dashed #666;background:#F5F5F5">
:'''To revert a page and keep some changes at the same time:'''
#View the history of the page in question.
#Determine what changes have been made since the version to which you want to revert.
#Copy the affected section to the clipboard. If there is more than one section, it may be necessary to do a normal revert (see above) and then make the changes again one at a time in later edits.
#In the page history, click on the time and date of the version to which you want to revert; this will bring up the page as it was.
#Click "edit" at the top of the old version; it will warn you that you're editing an out-of-date version.
#From the clipboard, paste in the new changes over the appropriate old section.
#Type a comment in the summary.
#Click "Show preview" to ensure that you pasted the new changes in correctly.
#Click "Save page".</div>

:In the section way above, I've included the syntax for the image gallery for whenever you want to go back to that. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:48, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::Thanx. One more helpful thing you can either

::A. Strong Mad Bath
::B. Crisper Drawer
::C. Be Cheatachu72's homeslice
::[[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 03:17, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::I'll take (C). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:48, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

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=== Where to link characters ===
I had a question. On the page for [[monster truck]], should "The Sad kids" and "The King of town" in the transcript be changed to include links to thier respective pages? FYI, the sentence that would be changed is "{The Sad Kids and the King of Town appear on screen respectively crossed out}". —[[User:Smileyface11945|Smileyface11945]]

:No. Characters are never linked in the transcript. Instead, they are listed at the top of the page in the order in which they appear. Also, whenever you post something on a talk page, type four tildes after it, like this: "<code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>". That will automatically sign your name and put a timestamp after it. It looks like this: — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:06, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::Thanks! [[User:Smileyface11945|Smileyface11945]] 01:08, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:::No probalo! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:09, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

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=== How to make the vertical line to appear ===
How do you make this vertical line appear? | It's used in a lot of links in the wiki, [[Strong Bad Email|like this]], but if I want to use the line, I always have to copy it from somewhere else. Can you press certain keys to make it appear? [[User:The Chort|The Chort]] 14:11, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:It should be on your keyboard. Mine's above the enter key. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 14:30, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Hmm...let's see: | Hey, it worked! Thank you! You're my new best friend at this wiki! [[User:The Chort|The Chort]] 14:33, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:No probalo... {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 14:34, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::I'm glad I could bring you two closer together. I have nothing useful to say here, but since this is my talk page, I feel compelled to comment. The character The Chort is speaking of is called the [[Wikipedia:vertical bar|vertical bar]], or pipe. It is used in wiki markup to create [[Wikipedia:Piped_link|piped links]], [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Table tables], and other things. As Amanda (H*C) said, the key is usually located at the extreme right of the keyboard, just above the Enter (return) key, grouped with the [[Wikipedia:backslash|backslash]]. On some keyboard configurations, the key is on the top row, just to the left of the Backspace (in this case the Enter key is about double its customary size and the Backspace is about half its normal size). To type a vertical bar, you must hold the Shift key. Well, I hope you enjoyed my short essay. I now return you to the wiki. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:46, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==STUFF reform==
=== The note ===

Here's the note you requested. [[HRWiki:IRC_channel]]?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:30, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I for the instructions, I have this:

:''{Tom's code moved here: [[User:It's dot com/instructions code]]}''

You need to fix up Section II, since I have no idea what's going on there. (And quite possibily sections I and III as well.) You also might want to check out some of the bulleted points in the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Votes_for_deletion#Things_to_consider|things to consider]] section for when you write up the instructions. Well, good luck.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:58, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

=== STUFF help ===

I would be glad to help you out Dot Com. I'm bored and I'm really digging what you are doing here. Keep up the good work. -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]]

:On an aside note, when the time comes will you need help turning all of the current STUFF'd facts to your format? If so lemmie know and I can help you out. When do you think the big change might occur? -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]]

::I'm shooting for the middle of this week. Maybe there won't be a new toon this week. That would help. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:34, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Looks like you're about ready to make this happen. I would also be willing to help you and Tony with the big change, if you so desire. You know, taking what's currently in STUFF and putting it on the new page. There's a lot of them there. Just let me know. --[[User:Some HSR themed username|Some HSR themed username]] 03:12, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:I welcome any help I can get. I don't know the best way to go about it. I figure we'll have to temporarily close the STUFF page so that people aren't trying to edit it while we're converting it. Also, I want to open the format up for others to test. I'm trying to get that done tonight. I think the format is really easy to use, but I ''made'' it, so there could be problems I'm not seeing. I'll leave you a note on your talk page when I have more to report, which shouldn't be too long from now. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:48, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:: In case you didn't notice, I've discovered what is causing the problem in STUFF. Not external links in and of themselves (notice that "The Legend of Credits" has an external link.) It's the fact that there was an equal sign in one of the links. Try plugging a random equal sign into any fact (link or no) and see what happens. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:59, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If you're looking for a response as to the new STUFF's simplicity, I would say it is pretty easy if you follow the directions. I do have a suggestion, though. For the how to revise page you have the entire template out for cutting and pasting, but the initial template setup has the optional things on parts of it. It might make it easier to take the optional notes and the false user votes off of that template so it's easy to cut and paste the entire thing. That's what I think anyway. Other than that, I think the new system is great. --[[User:Some HSR themed username|Some HSR themed username]] 19:27, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I went ahead an implemented everything, including Protecting all the templates and DELETING!! all the test pages I could think of. If there are others I missed, feel free to TBD them. I ended up erasing a lot of old Verdicted facts on the old STUFF page - dig through the history if you really feel you need them. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:42, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

===New STUFF Verdicts===

The new STUFF looks prooty good! One little quibble: it appears that the original posting dates were not included when the open STUFFs were ported. My real question is: how should a VERDICT'D STUFF look? -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:12, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

: The date thing was my fault. Anyway, I guess that a VERDICT should be another template or two, and should be put in place of the arguments and votes. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:02, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:: I fixed the dates. For verdicts, we can either move the items to the talk pages (like we do now), or they could be moved to a different subpage, like '''HRWIKI:STUFF Archive/pagename''', for example. If we use an archive subpage, we should put a reference link on the talk page with the fact in question and the verdict.<div style="text-indent:2em">As items close, they should definitely be ''moved'' somewhere. Otherwise, if down the line someone STUFFs something new from a page, all the old, closed facts will still be there. Once a template subpage is empty (all the facts have closed), the template subpage should be deleted. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:13, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)</div>

The rest of this discussion has moved to [[HRWiki_talk:STUFF#Verdicts]].

=== <3 ===

My ace in the hole. You rock. Good prize. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 06:15, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:Well, thank you! (But what specifically are you referring to? And what does "less than three" mean in this context?) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:18, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::Haha, "less than three" in this context means, "Yay! Heart!" This is just a random compliment for you. You know, because you're always cool. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 06:25, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:::Of course! Now I see. (I'm not a big emoticon user myself, so you'll have to forgive my ignorance here.) And thanks for the encouraging words! Great jaerb on the [[Biz Cas Fri 1]] transcript. It's always fun to help on those (especially since I rarely get the chance to do one — they're always done so quickly after a toon is released). Keep up the good troll fightin' recent patrollin' wiki gnomin' work! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:38, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I already congraturated you once, but way to go, again, STUFF guru! -[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:45, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:As always, you are welcome. Just curious, what made you think to say that this time? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:46, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)
::Well, I was sitting in Recent Changes... and just looking at the two jillion STUFF edits you make every two jillion seconds. That's very cool. -[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:48, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)
::: Ha ha, it feels like that sometimes. The way I look at it, since I stirred up the waters by coming up with the format, I have an obligation to keep it as well-oiled as possible, and so I do a lot of maintenance on items, even if I don't actually participate in every vote. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:52, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)
::::And well-oiled it is. -[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:57, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)

=== STUFF query ===
Hey It's dot com, I just noticed that one of bottom 10's [[HRWiki:STUFF/Archive/bottom_10#Is_the_ride_broken.3F|STUFF entries]] is not ever going to succeed due to the author's mistake. (The Knott's Berry Farm one) It is not true, and will not get a single acceptance vote. I just thought it might be best to close that one now and save everybody time. On that note, I have also noticed that you are the only one who ever closes STUFFed facts, and was wondering if you wanted a hand with that. I am willing to help you out if you want me to. Forever Young, {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 20:17, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:To tell the truth, I don't mind doing it at all; it's fun. But others are of course welcome to do it (this is a wiki, after all); and certainly you should at least know ''how''. (It's not difficult, but it ''is'' involved. The instructions are [[HRWiki:STUFF/Verdict|here]].) I dunno, like I've said to BazookaJoe, since I made up the format, I feel responsible for making sure all the gears mesh and turn like they're supposed to. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:49, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:P.S. I took care of that item like you suggested.

=== Anonymous STUFFing ===

Okay, it's one thing to say that Anonnies can't VOTE in STUFF facts. It's another entirely to say that they can't CREATE facts; I'd taken it for granted that they could. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:18, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:The rules state: "You may only edit arguments while logged in." I would think that extends to creating items. If a user cares enough about an item, he can log in to create it. If an item truly is important, a logged-in user has probably already made it anyway. As for this particular item, it was such a stretch that it would have been deleted outright from the page. If you truly feel, however, that it needs to go through the process, resubmit it anew (but I've got a thousand dollars I would bet as to how the verdict will end up). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:26, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:: Well, I don't disagree that it was a waste of space. I was more thinking about future reference—if someone actually adds a fact worth STUFFing. I suppose the only safeguards we had specified for unlogged users were votes and editing pre-existing arguments (it doesn't specifically say that unlogged users can't add facts or arguments) so I wanted clarification. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:44, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:::I'll admit, I threw it out on a technicality. A technicality I would probably overlook if it had ''any'' merit at all. The last couple of days it seems like people are abusing the STUFF page, STUFFing the most trivial bits of nothing. I was trying to make an example of something that clearly deserved to get the ax, to try and nip this in the bud. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:52, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:::: Fair enough. For example, I completely deleted a false "Fact" yesterday (regarding The Cheat's bendable arms never appearing before outside of Cheat Commandos, in spite of the fact that they'd been seen in [[caper]] and [[virus]]), so imagine my surprise today to find that it had been re-added (albeit prematurely Verdicted). Was it the same guy? How could multiple people make that mistake? And, as a result of your previous comments, I modified the "Add a toon/Add an item/Revise an item" instructions; now, all three say that you must be logged in. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:56, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)
::::: "Early," not "premature." When several users find multiple instances that directly contradict an item, it is patently false and therefore not worth our time. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:59, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:::::: Er, maybe my wording was a bit confusing, but I already knew that. I tend to refer to facts as "prematurely closed" when they're closed early no matter what the reason—even if I was the one who did it. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:03, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)
::::::: Ah, I see. I took it in the sense of "before it should have been", but "before normal" works too. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

==Thundercolor==
Hey Dot com. I noticed you gave me a color pointer on my talk page, which I'm greatful for. But what I didn't get was your pick? Which is your favorite? Thanks, ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|?]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|?]]</tt>'' 03:42, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
:My favorite is the one that's the easiest to read: #CD9B1D — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

::Oh, my bad. You were there. Sorry 'bout that. I think it was because of the two different styles of sig, or something. I dunno. I need more sleep... ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|?]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|?]]</tt>'' 14:43, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

:::No probalo. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:45, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

== WikiTroll ==

Hey, It's dot com. Just letting you know that you don't have to add to WikiTroll if the user has already been blocked. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 19:27, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:Well, I started adding him, and then I got called away from my computer, and by the time I got back you had already blocked him. I ''did'' notice this, but since it's such a hassle to add somebody to the table (what with making a list of all their evil edits and whatnot) and since I had already gone to the trouble, I just hit "Save page" anyway. Plus, I figured if he did it again, there would already be a record there. (And yes, I know there's the blocked log.) So that's why. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:45, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::Oh, I see. Sorry to bug you then. :) {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 19:50, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:::No probalo. Besides, I like getting comments. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:56, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::::Okay! Bother bother bother bother bother bother bother! [http://www.potterpuppetpals.com] {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 20:25, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:::::Whoa, ''weeeeird''. Funny, though. I especially liked the part where they busted out their M-16s to dispatch [[Wikipedia:Lord Voldemort|You-Know-Who]]. At Barnes & Noble, you can reserve a place in line, which I did, and I'm in the first group, so I will be one of the first thirty to get a book tonight at midnight. My [[Special:Contributions/It's dot com|contribs]] may be way down for a couple of days. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:17, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::::::I'm getting mine tomorrow, via Amazon. And yes, I know weird links. Far too many weird links... ;) {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 21:22, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:::::::I'll miss you two while you are lost in that other realm of fantasy. Have fun reading, [[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]]

::::::::Hold down the fort for us, BazookaJoe. Actually, I know you will... You're, like, ''always'' here. You're doing an awesome job, man. (But seriously, don't forget to see what the sun looks like every now and then. ;) ) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

:::::::::I have been very bored this summer, and have had nothing to do but wiki. I'll be on a lot less once I start my job in a week or two. The Potter Puppet Pals are funny! —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 21:49, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)
[[Image:sbemail127.png|thumb|shiny things!]]

Um hi, [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]], I would like to point you to the [[Store]] page where if you check out the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Store&action=history history] you will see that the user [[User:Hydro|Hydro]] has been trolling the page constantly. I have not yet seen his name on the [[HRWiki:WikiTroll|Troll Page]]. Also, I like [[virus|linking]], and [[long_pants|shiny]] things! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 14:08, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Hi Stux. If someone ever needs to be added to the troll list, then by all means do it. Don't even worry if you mess up the format... if you should encounter problems somebody will be along to fix it. I'll take a look at Hydro now. Thanks for bringing it to someone's (in this case, my) attention. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:12, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)

My apologies for bugging you again. I think i'm trying to upgrade my status from being Mr. Fix minor things to being Mr. Pain-in-the-behind Wannabe. What am I talking about? Basically, fact checking. To what extent should we do fact checking. I was checking [[Matt Chapman]]'s page [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Matt_Chapman&action=history history] and noticed that the last [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Matt_Chapman&diff=0&oldid=154227 change] added the misc fact: ''"*Can be seen as an audience member in one episode of '''[[IMDb:tt0163507|Whose Line Is It Anyway?]]'''"'' This is very general and my fingers are itching to revert it and leave a 'please provide evidence' note. But I haven't. Perhaps out of pity. Suggestions? (Do you have a fact-checking or fact adding set of guidelines even for admins?) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:31, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:Well, I hate to interrupt somebody else's conversation, but I checked this myself. If you look at Matt's IMBD page, it lists him as an uncredited audience member near the bottom. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::I don't know about [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] cuz it's his message bored but I personally appreciate the interruption. Not to mention quick response! Wow, amazing, I didn't think they'd credit such minor things, but they did! Thanks [[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]! (and thank you [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] for letting me use your Talk page!) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:43, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

==it's "Dot com"==
Hello. Thanks for letting me know about the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Talk:Strong_Bad_Email#Redirects discussion] regarding deleted redirects of the first two Strong Bad Emails. I was previously unaware of the accusations by Jay against me. By the way, may I call you IDC? It's an acronym of your username if you wouldn't mind me referring you by it. Thanks again. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 18:45, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:I don't think he was accusing you, just perhaps mistaken. I alerted you to the discussion because I figured it pertained to you and therefore you could tell us why you thought it was better not to have the redirects. But if it wasn't you, then, obviously, you can't. Ah, well. I think the redirects are going to go forward (if E.L. Cool or others are still up to it). As for a short form of my user name, when people ask what it is, I say: it's [[User:It's dot com|Dot com]]. 19:26, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

== The single deuce...not really ==

About Autobiography and the whole single deuce thing, you were right. I froze the frame and the way SB's holding his hand corresponds to his chin. Good call! —[[User:Smileyface11945|Smileyface11945]]

:Thanks. Yeah, I guess Strong Bad's way more fond of ''double'' deuce action. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:45, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)

==That one guy==

Hey man, I put your link on my page. Change it if you don't like the way it's linked. Everything is up for discussion on my page, go ahead and talk all you want and encourage others to do so also. [[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 02:58, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:Thanks. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

Thanks for all your help, um... where can I talk with people again? -it's that annoying guy again!

:Well, it's late. A lot of people are probably going to bed soon. Most people like to talk when something happens, like the release of a new toon. So check back on Monday. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:41, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah, It is late, isn't it. I'm surprised you, BazukaJoe, and some other guy, are still awake... I'm too tired to spell rite.

Listen, In the morn' discuss the stuff I gots on me' page, if I'm around...n' stuff. [[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 04:49, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)Thechamp

:Sure. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:53, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Hey! It's dot com, are you awake? [[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 15:16, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Anyone know how long your supposed to cook beef stu? [[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 18:20, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Sorry about the edditing, I just neede to get your attention.
Can you tell me who usually goes on the forums? [[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 18:24, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:Hundreds of people. Many of them are on this wiki. Many of them aren't. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 18:51, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

How come no one is talking about my Idea that I had? I thought it was good, does no one else think so? [[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 18:35, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:This isn't exactly the wiki where people care about story ideas. Fanstuff like that goes on the [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org Fanstuff wiki]. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 18:51, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

==Baseball fan!==

Hey Dot com! Are you a baseball fan?--[[User:bkmlb|bkmlb]]

:I should probably add this to my user page sooner or later, but I'm a ''huge'' fan of baseball, and Major League Baseball in particular, and more specifically the Texas Rangers Baseball Club. I've got my trusty Rangers ballcap on right now, as always. I've been to several games this year and plan on more. I don't live in the Dallas–Fort Worth area, otherwise I would have season tickets at Ameriquest Field. I make up for it by keeping track of the team on TV, radio, and at mlb.com using Gameday, Gameday Audio, and MLB.TV. I mainly follow the AL (my second-favorite club is the Yankees), but I do like some NL teams: the Nationals, the Astros, the Mets, and (sorry) the Cubs, to name a few. Tonight, as it turns out, the Rangers topped the Orioles, 4–2, in Baltimore. Yay! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:32, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Cool! You're only the second user I've heard of that is a baseball fan (other than me, there are two I've heard of). If you're not a ''huge'' cub fan then you won't bother me--and if you're not drunk, I'll be fine.--[[User:bkmlb|bkmlb]]

:Not a huge Cub fan, but I do pull for them as the perennial underdogs, especially now that the Red Sox have won it all. Even being a Yankee fan, when Boston was able to overcome a 3–0 deficit, when in Game 4 all Rivera had to do was put out the side in the ninth... well, at that point I was pleased to see the BoSox finally rid themselves of that blasted curse! (I can't remember, who was it they beat in the World Series? ;) ) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:24, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Yeah. I know, the Cardinals lost. I went to game four of the World Series, I was sad *sniffle*. I remember there were lots of Red Sox fans around us. One guy was talking to his wife on the phone the whole time. When the Sox won, my dad asked this red sox fan next to us, "What will you do now? This is your whole Idenity." And the red sox fan said back, " What year is it 86 years from now?"
But the cubs haven't won the series since 1908!--[[User:bkmlb|bkmlb]]

== Fanstuff ==

Do you have an account on the HRFWiki to? -- [[User:Strong Lad|Strong]] [[User talk:Strong Lad|Lad]]

:Yes, I do, but I don't much use it. I reserved the same username as here on the knowledge base so that I'd have it if I ever wanted to comment on anything there, and also so no one could impersonate me (not like anybody ''would'', but you never know). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

What is it? -- [[User:Strong Lad|Strong]] [[User talk:Strong Lad|Lad]]

:The same as here: [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

== DVD ==

Hey, how's your stuff for the DVD coming? Are you still working on [[Puppets on the Road]]? Oh, and are you doing [[Sample of Style Too]]? Because if not, I think I am going to take a stab at rewriting its transcript today. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 13:35, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:I see that the Sample of Style Too main part and outtakes are both just about done. I didn't read the transcript closely... you say you're going to ''rewrite'' it? I was working on Puppets on the Road, but I was wiped out last night and didn't finish it. I'd still like to complete POTR, but if somebody beats me to it, I won't be upset. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:38, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::I wrote Sample of Style Too's transcript using snippets of [[NYU Talk - 1 Mar 2005#Characer Animation Video|NYU Talk]]'s transcript. There were many differences between the two videos (see [[Talk:Sample of Style Too]]). I would love it if you could get Puppets on the Road up. It's funny and popular with fans and I'm sure they would love to read it. I don't mean to rush you, though. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 04:30, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:::Nah, I just kinda got slammed with going out of town and then I actually had to go in to my job and do real work. Sometimes, I can goof off here, but not today. And tonight, I was in a softball game. And we won the game. And so we went and got real fruit smoothies. (Really.) I figured at some point someone would just go ahead and take POTR from me if I didn't get a chance to finish it. I'm not even at my home computer (where my DVD is and where I've done all the DVD stuff), or I'd do it now. So to sum up, if somebody else does it instead because I dragged my feet, that's cool; but otherwise, I can do it by later tomorrow. If ''you'' should do it, just drop me a note here so I won't worry. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:45, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::::I ''did'' finally have a chance to do this, in case anybody wondered how that story ended. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

==No swearing, huh?==
[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:record_book&oldid=120932 Talk:record book] Now, I'm trying real hard here to see what you're getting at, but I can't for the life of me spot ANY swearing in there. Care to point it out to me?
:Look [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:record_book&diff=120932&oldid=120930 more closely]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:21, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)

What r you speekin aboot? Any who, Hay dot man? wana add your speechin to my talk payj? [[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 22:23, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Sorry for the edit ==

Ya that was stupid of me, I just wanted to see if anyone would notice it and change it. I promise nothing of the sort will happen again. [[User:Sox101|Sox101]]

:Oh, we've got eyes in the back of our heads! Seriously, thanks for apologizing. I trust you'll be more careful in the future. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:42, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Speculation or no==
What was [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=lady...ing&diff=123490&oldid=123488 this] for? It's not merely speculation; it's a likely reference. --[[User:195.92.67.69|195.92.67.69]] 16:52, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Really? When an item is phrased using words like "could be" and "whether she actually did is debatable," it sure sounds like speculation to me. And you're not considering the fact that Marzipan breaks up with Homestar 50% of the time on her [[Marzipan#Character_Video_Transcript|character video]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:59, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Gah. I hate this wiki. Well, maybe not wiki, more like you and BazookaJoe seemingly cutting every edit I make. In fact, I'm going to stop editing this thing and just watch the cartoons in peace. --[[User:195.92.67.69|195.92.67.69]] 17:02, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::I'm sorry you feel that way. If you truly believe I or we are acting unilaterally, I will cheerfully STUFF the item(s) in question for you. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:13, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Thanks==
===Thank you from pertmywert===

Thankyou so much for all your help and ideas. I hope you can keep on being nice to me and I to you. Email me if you want. --[[User:Pertmywert|Pertmywert]]|<big>[[User_Talk:Pertmywert|♥]] </big> 02:32, 10 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:Pertmywert, to answer the question you asked earlier, I think you're a fine user. You've made several good contributions recently, including some necessary reverts. Also, in all seriousness, I appreciate your willingness to welcome new users. I think your ♥ is in the right place there. (Side note: there's a link in your welcome template that says "me" but actually points to JoeyDay. Perhaps change "me" to "JoeyDay".)<div style="text-indent:1.5em">Remember that not everybody stays at their computer every minute of every day, so sometimes patience is required when waiting for a response. And it's an unfortunate fact that many of the users go unnoticed who do a lot of little but important things. It's like an umpire in baseball, who nobody pays any attention to when everything is going fine, but people rant and shout when a call is blown.</div><div style="text-indent:1.5em">A couple of pointers: whenever you're describing your edits, try to avoid emotionally charged words like "useless", etc. It's sufficient just to say "reverted such-and-such to version by so-and-so". Even better, try to find the good parts of an edit see if you can reword them so they fit into the article. (See [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=lunch_special&curid=1117&diff=108570&oldid=108569&rcid=55453 this edit] for an example.)</div><div style="text-indent:1.5em">To sum up, keep up the good work learning, gaining experience, and making quality contributions.</div><div>Sincerely, [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:20, 10 Jul 2005 (UTC)</div>

:P.S. ''{comment moved under image in subsection below}''

==== User Award ====

Congrats

You have won the favourite use award for this week (or month)

Here is your trophy

[[Image:fav user awards.PNG|thumb|none|100px]]

*Thank you for your FUA on 03:31, 10 Jul 2005 (UTC). I appreciate that. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

====Fav User Award Page?====

Hey, It's dot com, is there a page that has the previous winners of the "Fav. User Award"? --[[User:Smileyface11945|Smileyface11945]] 22:10, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:Do you mean the one I got from Pertmywert? If so, I dunno; that's his page. You might check the history [[User:Pertmywert/fua|here]]. Or you could [[User_talk:Pertmywert|ask him]]. Hope that helps. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:19, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::Thank you. You are undoutably awesome. [[User:Smileyface11945|Smileyface11945]] 22:28, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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=== Thanx from Strong Lad===

Thanks for the help with my user page -- [[User:Strong Lad|Strong Lad]]

:No probalo. My pleasure. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:29, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)
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=== Thank you from Rogue Leader===
Thank you so moch for making the troll template. It is much easier to add trolls now. Thanks again! {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}}
:Copy, Rogue Leader! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:08, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)
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=== Thanx from Rebecca ===
I also wanted to thank you! Thanx for helping me with some of the questions that I asked on my talk page! --{{User:RJMT/sig}} 05:42, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:Any time you need help, I'm happy to do so. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:08, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)
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===Thank You from bkmlb===

For helping me with my sig and being nice to me, you get a trophy http://jrsice.com/images/trophy.jpg ''sparkle sparkle''
--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 04:26, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:You're certainly welcome. Gotta look out for a fellow baseball fan. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:08, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)
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===You deserve a Pizza Trophy!===
{| align="center"
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''I present this Pizza Trophy to [[User:It's_dot_com|It's dot com]] for his outstanding work and attention to detail on countless articles.

I've been meaning to award you for your tireless efforts here on the wiki. I saw the gift that bkmlb gave you and it reminded me what I had intended to award you. Hope you don't mind receiving two trophies in the same day! http://forum.hrwiki.org/images/smiles/emowink.gif {{User:The Paper/sig}} 05:52, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Thank you, The Paper! I appreciate it. Tireless efforts sure can be tiring sometimes, but it helps to have encouragement like that. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:00, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Concur'd! Those wiki projects you're all the time doing are hawt! —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:46, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::You know, I was thinking that you deserved a Pizza Trophy for the Stuff reform. Lo and behold, here it is. Good prize! :D {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 07:34, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::Thanks, Amanda. Have fun at Disney World! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:56, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::::I'm sure I will! (I'm not actually leaving until tomorrow, but I thought I'd put the message up in case I forgot in the rush of packing & everything.) {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 18:00, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)
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===Thanks from Payphone Ed===
"Homer no function beer well without." Thanks for fixing those things on the [[Linux Incompatibilities]] page. I think I need a nap or something. :3
--[[User:Payphone Ed|Payphone Ed]] 23:09, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:Glad to help. I know the feeling... "No TV and no beer make ''It's dot com'' something something." "Go crazy?" "Don't mind if I do!" Actually, it's more like no TV and no ''Dr Pepper'', in my case. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:16, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== br format ==

I was just wondering why you changed the <tt> </tt> to <tt> </tt> on [[Template:Strong Bad Email]]. Both are standards compliant ([http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//www.hrwiki.org/index.php%3Ftitle%3DTemplate%3AStrong_Bad_Email%26oldid%3D128594], [http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Template%3AStrong_Bad_Email]) so I was just wondering what made you make the switch. It's not a problem or anything, I'm just curious. Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:36, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Well, earlier this week I read [http://forums.devshed.com/t204843/s.html this]: "IE generally does not seem to appreciate using br as a clearing agent. Too, the clear attribute is deprecated in html4 in favor of the style property." Since I figured we also preferred styles, I changed it when I noticed it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:47, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Okay, thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:55, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Martin F. ==

Hey, Its Martin F. lol Thanks for the inspiration. You and I both have a similar experience with being introduced wih Homestar. You do a great job editing. See you around the Wiki! --[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 03:02, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:Thanks, Martin. See ya 'round! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:07, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== User page ==

'''''AWESOME''''' user page Dot com! Where did you find that template thing?--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 14:51, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Thanks, BK! I spotted the code for the stuff at the top on a user page over at WikiCities, and then I just adapted it to my page. I also decided to update a few things, expand a few things, add some new sections, and make the format more readable. I'm glad you like it! I just changed it yesterday... what led you to notice it? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:40, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I don't know. I just look a recent changes alot and you're on there alot.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 17:21, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Go Bearcats!==
Are you from missouri or the area? The Bearcats aren't well known outside the area..
--[[User:Adamlw|Adamlw]] 05:17, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:Actually, no, I'm not. I've only been to Missouri a handful of times. I confess I looked it up. Go google! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:22, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Brilliance==

You sir, are quite a genius. I was trying to figure out a good way of keeping the two [[Inside Jokes]] lists the same. Your solution for its sister page, [[Running Gags]], is perfect. Therefore I copied it on Inside Jokes. Thank you very much, and keep up the good work. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 00:28, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:Thanks, TBird! Organizing Strong Bad Emails in different ways I can understand. But it just didn't make sense to have two lists with identical information organized the same way. We misinterpret "[[HRWiki:Once And Only Once|Once and Only Once]]" around here, but this was a clear case where it fit perfectly. Thanks for the compliment! And I will keep it up! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:07, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::I know, it was kinda a tricky thing. I suggested just making [[:Category:Running Gags]] the whole page, but Tom said they weren't meant for that. I never thought of just making the page link to the list, instead of being the list. Thanks for thinking of it. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 17:17, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==The Process==
Hey, '''Dot com''', it's [[User:Thesmokingmonkey|The Smoking Monkey]]. As you seem both knowledgeable and up front about how things get done, I thought I'd come to you. Recently, I've been doing the whole recent change patrolling bit, and have come up with the following questions:
*Do all edits done by anonymous users need to be reverted? I've encountered a few that are correct or beneficial.
*Conversely, if a registered user makes a questionable edit (say, for example, adding a goof or remark that is open to debate), what would I do? I've reverted a couple, and I need to make sure this is within the rules.

Thanks for any input you might have.

:Well, Smoking Monkey, anonymous users are more than welcome to contribute. I daresay ''everyone'' (with the exception of the handful of people who actually set up the wiki) started out as an anonymous user. They often have insight or experience that are invaluable to getting to the bottom of an article. The reason we keep such a close eye on people who aren't members is that it just happens that most of the edits that are redundant, obvious, or otherwise non-beneficial come from anonymous users. The vast majority of trolls are anonymous as well. So, to make a long story short, '''do not ''automatically'' revert anonymous edits.''' (Note: if we wanted, we could prevent anonymous editing with a simple setting; obviously, we have not chosen to do this.)

:If a logged in user makes a bad edit, it can be reverted just like an anonymous edit. '''Logged-in users get a little special treatment, however.''' First of all, it's polite to list a reason in the edit summary instead of simply rolling back the page. Second, if an edit is borderline, strongly consider starting a discussion on the relevant talk page instead of simply removing another user's work.

:I hope this helps. Don't hesitate to ask if you have further questions. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:02, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Understood. I don't want to be overzealous in reverting things - the last thing I want to do is step on toes and hurt feelings. But my "common sense" might not be so "common" to everyone. Trying to be careful as I go. -TSM

:::I just happened upon this discussion and figured I drop a word or two. My general rule of thumb is this: revert bad edits, keep good ones. Rewrite bad wording (there's *A LOT* of it). Have fun, be polite, but be bold! It's pretty simple, really! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 17:06, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::Thanks for the input! -- {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 17:13, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::That's an excellent way to put it, Tom (I've always assumed your name is Tom... your user page has never said anything other than "Hello world!"). I'll probably steal your rule of thumb and not give you credit, just so you know. ;) To it I would add one thing: if you ever have legitimate doubt about whether an anonymous edit is good or bad, '''take the action that leads to ''more'' content.''' That is, if someone adds something but you're not sure, then just leave it. But if an anonny deletes something (especially something big) that you think has merit, put it back.
:::There's ''always'' more than one logged-in user looking at these pages, so it all usually gets straightened out in the end. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:19, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Signature ==

Hi, It's dot com. I need your help.. your the only one I really trust to have enough patients with me! Anydangways, could you help me figiure out how to make my signiture stand out? I notice that alot of people do that, but I have no clue how. [[User:Homestramy20|Homestramy20]] 06:45, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Oh, never mind. The Paper helped me {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 06:48, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Glad you got that worked out. I made a couple of code tweaks for you so that the date would show up correctly on the same line as the sig. Wish I could've helped you more, but I've gotta sleep ''sometime''. ;) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 13:51, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==[[:Template:sightingslist|New Template]]==

Thanks Dot Com, that color looks good. I'm just wondering about the centering. On the Email template (the one I modeled this one after), it's much larger, and fills the whole screen from side to side. This one doesn't, so on larger displays, such as mine, it's shifted to the left. Any idea how to center it? (And for the sizing, it's small on the Strong Bad Emails to save space. I don't think it'd be too bad to have medium font on this template, for easier reading and clicking). {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:53, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC) 
'''EDIT:''' I think the centering thing could be something to do with 'width="100%"' {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:55, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:Er, I guess you haven't looked at the template again yet, because I already fixed the centering. All the other nav templates (SB email, answering machines, CD, DVD, etc.) use <nowiki></nowiki>, so I figured this one should, too. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:04, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Hmmm... For some reason it still seems askew on my browser. Oh well, I don't care much. Like so many things on a wiki, I'm sure it'll somehow get fixed later, by someone else. And sorry about the sizing thing, I guess I'm wrong on that. In any case, I'm going to bed. Here's hoping the trolls do too. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:08, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:::Amen to that. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

== Character screenames ==

Um, Mr. Dot com, sir.... I was just wondering if it was article-worthy to write about the AIM screenames of all the characters. Just a thought.... -- [[User:Alcnolien|Alcnolien]]

:Let's have a brainstorm. What ''are'' all the screen names used by the characters? Just curious. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:26, 2 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:I know of hooray4dolphins for Marzipan (although it's debateable that Strong Bad was telling the truth), cheatachu72 for The Cheat, and depressio111117 for Strong Sad. There's also gr8lookinggrrl from i she be. Although, in my opinion, these aren't really worthy of an article. -- [[user:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]][[User talk:mibluvr13|dígame]] 01:30, 2 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Perhaps it could be noted in a specific spot on the character pages of those that are known, since we don't know them all. By the way, you don't have to call me sir. "Mr. Dot com" is fine. ;) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:29, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::Thank you, Mr. Dot com. I just felt it was noteworthy somewhere. --[[User:Alcnolien|Alcnolien]]

:::I was kidding about the mister part, too. You can call me Dot com if you want. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

==Free Country USA==

'''It's dot com''', it's your friendly neighborhood '''Smoking Monkey''' again. I just wanted to comment on the [[Free Country, USA]] thing earlier today, because I've made you my unofficial HRWiki mentor and seek your advice from time to time on Wiki matters.

In any case, what caught my attention was an anonymous user dumped, say, 50% more info on the Free Country article. I've noticed over the weeks that 90% of anonymous edits tend to be speculation, stating the obvious, or just plain wrong. Let's say the other 9% are helpful typo, spelling and grammar corrections. It's that 1% that leads to doubt. This guy/gal radically expanded a decent article, but I couldn't tel whether the expansion was worthy or not. I know I was previously advised to err on the side of expanded content, but I've seen even registered users get slammed for adding little bits of info to articles. This guy/gal added a lot, and when I first saw it, I balked. It seemed like speculation, so I reverted.

Then '''Mr. Bojangles''' re-reverted. I looked at it a second time - this time I saw disconnected thoughts that added only confusion - so I reverted ''again''.

Then '''you''' reverted my change, and I looked at it a third time. This time, I saw neither speculation nor confused thinking - only prose that needed refining.

I admit I've been in a bad mood recently, and have been, er, draconian in my enforcement of what I perceive is appropriate for the Wiki. I admit I was wrong reverting this article across the board.

Hopefully I made it up by actually adding to and trying to improve on the additions of the anonymous (and British) user - I got a little too caught up in making sure others play by the rules...

Faithfully patrolling the Wiki, {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 00:26, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:Your characterization of anonymous edits is probably dead-on accurate (except when pages are first being created, which isn't that often, relatively speaking). If someone has something important to add, they usually take the step of registering first. Most of my edits were relatively minor until I registered. In fact, it was when I was trying to add something more substantial that I was encouraged to join.

:I appreciate that you consider me something of a mentor, and I take seriously my responsibility to you and others I help. I carefully consider any advice I give, and it is always my hope that each user's experience here is improved by my input. This can't always be the case when someone disagrees with me, but in cases like that I try to be as diplomatic as possible. As far as anonymous users go, I try to incorporate any part of their contributions that I can—anything—so that they will feel important and be comfortable enough to finally become full contributing members.

:In ''this'' specific case, you may notice that I didn't do a straight revert, but rather cleaned it up a bit before adding it back.

:If there's anything else I can help you with, you know I will. Besides, we 28-year-olds have to stick together. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:42, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::I see you're taking your critical, incisive eye to my runway pet project ([[Free Country, USA]])- and it's about time. Of all the times I've proof-read, and internally debated the structure and the "facts" of the article, I knew that others would need to parse and improve on my own thoughts. And, speaking of my own thoughts, all I have to thank for my (irrational?) devotion to this article is some anonymous British kid I tried to censor.

::In any case, I think most of it holds up well.

::I really need to sleep,

::{{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 02:49, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::Sleep well, Dave. Irrational devotion to articles, by the way, can strangely be a good thing, and is therefore completely welcome around here. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:19, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

''(For more on specific parts of the above article, see [[Talk:Free Country, USA]].)''

==Offline==
Hey It's dot com! I was wondering what you did with the 2005 updates page? Was it a ploy to annoy the troll? {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 02:08, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Hey Rogue. That troll is not a person; rather, it is some kind of bot that searches for the different sections on the page and adds links under each one. My reasoning was that if I removed all the sections, it would have nothing to do, and would quit. In the meantime, I put up a notice so that any regular user who was looking at the page would be aware of what was going on. I don't know whether my actions actually did anything, or whether it was just coincidence that the attack stopped (almost) at that point. Only further research will tell. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:14, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::Another positive consequence: it may help the bot move on to less-visible pages. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:32, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::It just happened again, and this time I think blanking the page actually did some good. The bot made one more attempt after I blanked it, but then it moved on. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:27, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Man, you're the man! ==

How can you not be a sysop? You are one great user. When I read others' talk pages, you are alweys there to halp and give advise. Your edits and comments are alweys constructive and truthful. Your are the awesomest thing ever. Would you write a song about me? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 15:23, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:Sorry for not replying sooner (and I don't mean because the database was locked), but things were already in the works (see the thread two down from here), just not yet official. It's been a while since I wrote a song (I've written a few, but it was always for a class), but maybe I'll see what I can do. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:18, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== How old are you??? ==

Well. How old are you??? (Pertmywert)
:Twenty-eight. Almost twenty-nine as of this writing. Why? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:15, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::Just Wondering. {{User:Pertmywert/sig}}

== Sysop ==

Just letting you know, you have been given [[HRWiki:Administrators|sysop]] privileges. If you have any questions, never hesitate to ask. Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:28, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:To JoeyDay, Tom, and all of you who have supported this, thank you from the bottom of my heart. I promise to fight for truth, justice, and the wiki way, and to always use my powers for good, and for awesome. Sincerely, [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] — 17:23, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::Congrats, Dot com, and thank you for all the work you put into this wiki. Whether it be STUFF, troll fighting, public relations, revising, rewriting, copyediting, collaborating, you always do a top-notch job. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 17:49, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::Dot com! Conga rats, yo. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 19:01, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::::Please forgive me for the delay in these combolations. This is an honor you've deserved for quite some time now, glad to see you can finally block all of those trolls that irk us so. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 03:45, 12 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::::Here here, congrats! You've finally been endowed with the tools you so desperately deserved. (I was on the chat channel when JoeyDay first awarded them their powers, but it doesn't hurt to congratulate twice) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 16:56, 12 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::::::'''Combolations, Valerie'''! You'll no doubt do an outstanding job as sysop! {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 11:24, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::::::Jay here. I see from the Recent Changes page that the two of you were named sysops at the Homestar Runner Wiki. Way to go! Join the elite ranks! I was actually thinking a while back that you two would make [good sysops], though I played no part in the actual decision. I'd congratulate you on the Wiki itself, but, well... ''(from [[User:Jay|Jay]] via email at 09:35, 10 Sep 2005 (UTC), sent while the wiki was locked)''
:::::::: To note, the above was also sent to BazookaJoe (who was named a sysop at the same time). I wasn't really expecting it to appear on this Wiki... But you guys both help out a lot around here, from refining STUFF to troll-fighting to whatever, so I do stand by what I said. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:29, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::Bricka bracker firecracker sis boom bah! Dot com dot com rah rah rah! {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 21:51, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::I'm a little late to the party, but I still wanted to congratulate you on the recently-acquired sysop privileges... Ahem, "pri-vah-lah-gez". http://forum.hrwiki.org/images/smiles/sbgif.gif Mazal tov! {{User:The Paper/sig}} 23:58, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::::Congrats!!!{{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 04:04, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::::Way 2 go!!! You da bomb! {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 02:40, 20 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Once again, thanks to everyone who has left a note here! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

== Fanstuff Wiki ==

Thank you for telling me. Man, I feel stupid right now... --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 19:23, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:Don't feel dumb. Stuff like that happens to all of us. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:34, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Pronounced with an "RWiki" ==

This is a bit trivial, but an interesting fact. As you know, I'm all hung up on England, and even spent three weeks there. In response to your question 'wouldn't it be pronounced aitch-are-wiki?', the answer is 'no'. Not in England. Just the same way they pronounce the letter Z as 'zed', they also put an H sound in front of H, making it 'haitch' or something thereof. I'm not sure if this is of significance, but it's an interesting fun-fact nonetheless. I think so, anyway. But since the Wiki (and H*R itself) are American-based, your 'an HRWiki namespace' would technically be correct. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:What do I think of the English, huh? Oh, I'll tell you what I think of the English! ''{the rest of this post has been BANNED IN THE U.K.}'' — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

== Blockquote ==

How do you make that "blockquote" (i'm not sure what it is called but thats what it said in editing) where it shows what Strong Bad wrote on his computer on the transcripts? Is there a way to do it in HTML or just plain text? I'm just curious, because I think it will be so cool if I write my internet blogs like that.

Thanks again and again. You are the one user that I always go to for help! THANKS!--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 19:22, 18 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Sorry for the delay in responding. I might suggest that you would get a faster reply by posting questions to the [[HRWiki_talk:FAQ|FAQ talk page]]. Anyway, it's possible to recreate the blockquote style outside the wiki, but you need to know some CSS and where to find it. First of all, the HTML (<nowiki><blockquote> ...blah blah ... </blockquote></nowiki>) is the same as the code you get when you press "edit", so you could just copy one of those to practice. What you need then is the various definitions for "email" found in [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] (and possibly other CSS files... check the source code of a wiki page to see what they are). Also, you would need the image of Strong Bad's face copied and saved to your server. It sounds kinda coplicated, but I hope this helps. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:55, 19 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== WOW ==
Hey, '''Ben.''' I know you probably noticed, but we had a WOW-style vandal before (Homestar walker). But he...apologized? He seems a tad confused. — {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 18:01, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Hey, '''Dave.''' I did notice. In fact, I deleted all the bogus redirects I could find. I think I got them all. As for blocking him, I wasn't sure whether to do it. If blocking would lead to more vandalism but ''not'' blocking wouldn't, then I'm willing to leave well enough alone. I was actually seeking advice from Joey and/or Tom, but neither of them seems to be online right at the moment. Obviously, if Willy or whoever this gets so much as a toe out of line again, he'll get the indefinite block. What do you think? I haven't been able to get in touch with any of the other sysops, either, so he could yet be blocked by one of them and this discussion would be moot. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:12, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::'Tis rather curious. I can't help but feel we're being blackmailed by the devil. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:15, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::Hmmm...since it was my first WOW-battling incident, I was bit hot afterwards, ''especially'' when he came out and said "sorry" and then "if you try to block me, I'll just do it again." It all seemed typically sophmoric to me - clearly he was having fun moving the same four pages over and over and over again, but then he lost interest and indicated he wanted to contribute. Essentially, he was malicious, but only so long as it saved him from being bored.

:::Your point is well-taken, though: if we can't actually block him because of the AOL loop-hole, then I guess it shouldn't be a problem if he continues behaving like a normal user. I'm not big on holding grudges, and if '''Venusy''' and '''bkmlb''' (the other two users caught up in the battle against him) don't have a problem with him staying on, then I don't have a problem.

:::That is, until he gets bored again! {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 10:56, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC) (Incidentally, the idea of a smoking monkey on wheels is pretty funny in and of itself)

::::As long as he doesn't do it again, I don't have a problem. And you're right, the concept of a smoking monkey on wheels is pretty funny. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 12:12, 24 September 2005 (BST)
::::'''EDIT:''' I shouldn't have used MS Paint to do [http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b354/Venusy/smokingmonkeyonwheels.png this] in 5 minutes.
:::::Dude, that's hilarious! I wonder what kind of mileage he gets? {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}}11:35, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== sysops ==

I was wondering, how do you become a sysops?
-lil stiny

:I have actually written on this subject on several other pages. Below is a copy of [[User_talk:Homestar_Coder/MayAug2005#I_have_a_big_query.|this discussion]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:19, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

<blockquote>Hey AtHC, How do people become Administrators? I've been thinking about that... -Kinsey

:I don't want to presume to speak for Aurora, but I've written at length about this very subject on [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Balmung_of_Azure_Sky&oldid=96317#Welcome this page], if that helps. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:42, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:::''Here is the relevant text from that page:''<blockquote>Becoming an admin, as they're also called, is a good goal to have, but it doesn't happen overnight. Basically, you start out at the bottom of the totem pole, and work your way up. Over time, people will begin to notice your edits; you'll want to make good ones. If you do, gradually a sense of trust will develop between you and the wiki community. In the meantime, fight [[HRWiki:WikiTroll|trolls]], add good [[stuff|fun facts]], [[Special:Recentchanges|monitor]] pages for bad edits, help out with the maintenance of the site, learn the ins and outs of the software. Undertake a worthwhile project (but ... it's best to get approval before doing so). Then, sometime in the future, the current admins will open the floor for nominations for new sysops, at which time another user can throw your name in the ring. Then, we'll all vote on you. They probably won't nominate new admins for a while, and when they do, maybe you'll be nominated, maybe not. Either way, keep on keepin' on making good edits and building up that trust. It's just that simple!</blockquote>

::I'm glad you posted that, It's dot com, because it's a good explanation! Definately monitor for edits, learn to recognize good and poor edits, and always be diplomatic in discussions. Undertaking worthwhile projects (with wiki-approval first) is a great way to contribute and be noticed. To all of this, I would add that you should think about why you want to become an administrator. If you want to be an administrator to have more power, that's the wrong reason. It's about responsibility, not power, and it sometimes involves doing unpleasant things. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 19:46, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
</blockquote>
teehee, the entire time I was reading this I'm picturing It's dot com sitting at his compy/lappy dictating this message in the best strong bad impression he can make. The question was very similar to several of the sbemails and the answer was just as good except it didn't make fun of lil stiny (I'm not saying he should have, but that was the only difference) [[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
:No, I wouldn't make fun here. I just have already thought long about this question and felt that the previous discussion (especially including the reply by Homestar Coder) covered the subject well. Thus, it was practical to copy and paste. :) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:34, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

==Super-plain link==

Is there any way to link something, but keep it just a regular black color, without underlining or anything? perhaps some kind of color tags or a 'no underline' tag before and after? Any help would be greatly appreciated, thanks. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 19:42, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:Sure. One of the words in this sentence [[Blue Laser minion|is]] a link to a page. If you wanted to be really sneaky, I think you could even force it not to show the "hand pointing" cursor that is usually displayed when you're over a link. Out of curiosity, what makes you ask? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:58, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::Hmmm... The link is still underlined. And It's not that I want it sneaky, I still want the hand to pop up. I just want uniformity. Is there any way to get rid of the underline? Then I'll let you know why. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 20:04, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::I will have to do more research. I don't know why the text-decoration property isn't being correctly displayed by your browser. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:28, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== block ==

what does it take to bann someone? [[User:Lil Stiny|Lil Stiny]] 02:39, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:That depends. Why do you ask? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
::i just fixed some vandalism and i was wondering [[User:Lil Stiny|Lil Stiny]] 02:42, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::Ah, I see. Well, here is our official [[HRWiki:Blocking Policy|blocking policy]]. Whenever you notice vandalism, leave a note on [[HRWiki:WikiTroll]]. Try to follow the format as best you can, but don't worry if you don't get it quite right (someone will fix it for you). The sysops check that page and block vandals and trolls listed there. Hope that helps. Oh, and I went ahead and took care of the guy you mentioned. Thanks for looking out for the wiki! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:55, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Senor Cardgage Mortgage ==

I checked those two Fast Forwards for you. They were indeed factual. However, they still don't qualify as Fun Facts in my book. The "Fun" part is seriously lacking on those two, in my opinion. [[User:ACupOfCoffee|ACupOfCoffee]] 21:18, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:Right. It wasn't that I thought that they were untrue, just that they didn't really qualify as references. Thanks for checking on that. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:20, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Pasta Salad a go-go ==

Hey, Ben. Thanks for, um, clarifying the tone of my voice for the whole Pasta Salad talk Page boondoggle. It's easy for me to forget no one around here (short of you) really has any idea who I am. Life's kinda throwing me a curveball right now, and as an artist, I tend to get irrational about my work (even if it's three sentences about Gron Mad eating elbow macaroni). I wasn't trying to be a jerk. Anyway, thanks as always for the classic Dot com level-headedness. — {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 22:28, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:Well, Dave, I just knew you wouldn't make an article—on whatever subject—without a positive reason, and certainly not to make a point. As far as I can tell, that's not your style. And I felt I needed to step up and say so, so I did. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:36, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Geddup Noise ==

It's dot com, it's getting pretty ugly over here at [[geddup noise]]. There is a constant revert/add between whether the KOT says Booo or Dooo. Maybe someone should add a footnote about the transcript, like in [[boring (really)]]. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 01:36, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)

==Archives==

I wasn't sure where to ask this, but you seem to know alot. So what exactly is this archives.org that people keep retrieving treasures from? How does it really work, and would you be able to provide me with an answer to my question on [[Talk:some kinda robot]]? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:50, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:I'm not really all that familiar with that, TBird. You might try the FAQ talk. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

== Greetings ==

Hey there It's dot com, i got your message from my talk page thanks for the greeting.

I'm new to Homestar runner wiki, but i'm also a member of Wikipedia it self, so i know about this (~) to write my name, and how to upload images ETC.

Lets get to know each other a bit:

#How did you find me so quickly?
#whats your real name?
#whats your speciality in Hrwiki?
#are you a member of wikipedia? if so whats your user name?

hope so see your reply.

[[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 06:05, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Well, Nikolce...
:#I saw you create your user page in the [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]].
:#Ben.
:#Read all about me on my [[User:It's dot com|user page]].
:#I edit Wikipedia as an anonymous user from time to time, but I'm not a member.
:Again, welcome to the wiki! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:11, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)

by the way it's dot com, when you reply, reply the message to my talk page, it's just easier to know i have s new message, but thats if you want to. [[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 04:45, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Actually, Nikolce, I'm a big believer in keeping threads in one place. But you're welcome to add me to your [[Special:Watchlist|watchlist]] if you want, at least until you get a reply. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:07, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Reynold ==

Alright, I have to ask. As my first bold attempt at helping keep the peace in this particular Wiki, I remove a Wikipedia reference to pizza. Why is a link to such a common food necessary? [[User:Come back, chocolates!|Come back, chocolates!]]
:Where is the harm in including it? The article is interesting, and you might be surprised how much pizza differs in other countries from the U.S. version. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:52, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::No harm per se, it was simply my motivation to prevent the building a precedent of Wiki-linking every common object, regardless of its history. But I digress. -[[User:Come back, chocolates!|Come back, chocolates!]]

==Encountering trolls==

Uh... I think i just found a troll. What do i do? --{{User:Bubsty/sig}} 21:17, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:First things first... what did you find? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

::Oh wait, dorian gray deleted it, i think. It was on the user page [[User:Aussie Evil]]. --{{User:Bubsty/sig}} 21:20, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:::Oh good, thanks for blockin them. --{{User:Bubsty/sig}} 21:25, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

::::Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Below are some general suggestions for anyone who might be faced with this issue in the future. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:40, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

'''If you find a troll, especially one in progress:'''
*Revert each affected page to the last good version (the instructions for reverting are at the top of [[HRWiki:WikiTroll]]).
*''Use the edit comment "reverting trolling".'' This will help the sysops notice something is wrong.
*Make an entry on [[HRWiki:WikiTroll]] for the troll. If no sysops are around at the time of the vandalism, they can check the list and make appropriate blocks later.
'''Some things to remember, especially in the face of a serious attack:'''
*Remain calm.
*Remain professional.
'''Some things ''not'' to do:'''
*Do not feed the trolls.
*That is, do not put anything in edit summaries that would encourage them to continue their attacks.
*Likewise, do not try to reason with them or taunt them on their talk pages.
Hope that helps! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

:It does, thanks!!!! --{{User:Bubsty/sig}} 22:14, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

==Edit comments==
How does one make editing comments? -[[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 21:43, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:Click "edit" at the right over there → . Then look just below the editing window. See where it says "Summary"? Type something in that box. That's how you leave an edit comment. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:47, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

==Alphabetizing Categories and Catchin' Trolls==
This seems like a good place to put stuff... I don't wanna clutter your talk by making new categories, that's why I keep piggybacking my messages. Ever thought of Archiving!? (gasp!) Hehe. Anyway on to ''buisness'':
*Ooooohhh! Right! So that's what it does. I thought it changed how the entry looked in the category list, and seeing no change, thought it did nothing. I had to remove it cuz it was autolinking to PseudoCharacters edit page, and I am sure I had created the link after I made the page. And I think I tried to purge... the hard way... Maybe? Anyway thanks for the fix!
*BTW check out my first troll person report!
--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:10, 3 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:    If a comment really is a continuation of an earlier thread, then go ahead and piggyback, but if it's a new thought, then it's perfectly fine to (and I prefer that you would) start a new thread. :) I reorganize my talk page from time to time and it helps me keep everything straight. As for archiving, I'm probably gonna put it off for at least a little bit longer. Only recently has this page exploded to the point that archiving would be necessary. If you want to see a page really in need of being split, look at [[User talk:Tom|Tom's talk page]].
:    As for the user who deleted things, well, he's not a troll. You may disagree with the things he deleted, but each example was something that is borderline. I even agree with a couple of them. Also, there's no reason to think that he saw the message left him in the edit summaries. Most anonymous users probably never look there. If you need to leave him a note, you should do so on his talk page.
:    Sorry for removing him from the troll list, because I can tell you're proud of it and that your heart is in the right place. Don't worry... there'll be plenty others. ;) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:36, 3 Oct 2005 (UTC)
::Yeah.... I was proud of it. You're quite observant! :). Bye troll edit :'( ... ;) To me they looked like random edits removing credible information. He was just over that side of the line (except for his first edit). Oh well. Next time! Catch ya later! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:36, 3 Oct 2005 (UTC)

==IP block issues==
Yo, Mr. Dot Com, might I ask why you keep blocking my IP address every time, and also mark me as a "repeat offender?" I asked nicely for you and the other sysops to fix the rpoblem of this, because it's getting extremely frustrating for me when I want to edit something and I can't because somebody with a similar IP addy is trolling the site. This is now the fifth time that something like this has happened, and the second consecutive time that it's been you who has blocked me. I know you're just trying to do your job, but it isn't fair to people who follow all the wiki rules to be blocked just because of idiotic trolls who like to delete pages and add cuss words to them. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 01:57, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:I apologize for any inconvenience, ISlayedTheKerrek. I will be happy to investigate your situation further, but I need some more information. What was the IP address that was blocked? When did you notice the problem? How do you connect to the Internet? I have reviewed the block log, and any blocks I have imposed for any real length are for what I consider serious infractions. There have been only three occasions when I have used the comment "repeat offender," only one of which was recent. In addition, the IPs fitting this description have had zero legitimate edits. Unfortunately, since this seems to be a recurring problem, it may not have a simple solution. There are some real jerks out there whose mission in life seems to be to spoil the fun for everybody else. We appreciate your patience and understanding as we try to sort this out. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:23, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
::My IP address, although I don't know EXACTLY which one it is offhand, is in the 205 range. Note this as well...I am not editing from my computer at this exact moment, as you again have blocked me because of the reason I stated before. I hope you can find a way to fix it soon, because this is now time number 5. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 18:28, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:::KerekSlayerDude: You can check your IP by going to [http://www.ipchicken.com IP Chicken]. Let us know the exact IP that is blocked and we'll see if we can get the block removed. Thanks. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:54, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
::::Well, my current IP address according to IP Chicken is 152.163.101.7, which has changed in the last couple of days from the 205.whatever it was before. Right now, I'm able to edit from my computer, so all is good for now. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 14:51, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:::::Thanks, Kerrek. If you have this problem in the future please let us know. Again, we're sorry about the inconvenience. We appreciate having you around and hate to see good productive members getting blocked an behalf of nasty trollers. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:18, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)
::::::Actually, he ''slayed'' the Kerrek. ;) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
:::::::ISlayedTheKerrek, if you ever find yourself blocked from editing again, please simply email a sysop or [mailto:admin@hrwiki.org the Admins] a short note explaining the situation. Make sure you include the IP address that appears on the blocked notice. It is easy for a sysop to unblock you, you just need to supply us with the proper information and remain calm. Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:34, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== ATTENTION: this is a joke, don't take it seriously ==

I thought you of all people would know that it's against the rules to [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Sick_Day&curid=12730&diff=0&oldid=157606 tamper with other people's comments]. I'll let it slide this time, but try to be more careful in the future. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 15:46, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:Well, at least I justified it by doing it for no good reason whatsoever. ;) ...Seriously (and I know you said don't take it seriously), you ''can'' fix others' formatting to a point, so long as you don't change the ''content'' of their comments. And, for purely aesthetic value, those color words really needed to be colorized. I would have gone with green for "greediest" (which of course is not a color word, just different from "greatest"), but it was already taken by "greenest." — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:35, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
::Yeah, I know... Just a little too bored this morning. I usually don't let it get the best of me, but what can I say. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 18:04, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:::Likewise, I only replied (partly) seriously because I don't like comments to go unanswered, especially on my own talk page, and I couldn't think of what else to say. Also, if someone comes along and reads this later, I wanted to explain it so they'll have a clue as to what we were talking about. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:18, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
::::Hey, it's my sig color! *is greediest* :p {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 19:10, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== IRC channel ==

How ... do you join it? This little experience has made me like this wiki, more, and now I want to join the chat channel. HOW?!?! {{User:H*R 700/sig}}
:There are several ways, but the easiest way is to go to [http://chat.hrwiki.org chat.hrwiki.org] and follow the instructions there. See also [[HRWiki:IRC channel]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:56, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== Hi from H*L! ==
Hallo! I was ''so'' glad that my new page was noticed by a Wiki legend like yourself... Anydangway, it's cool to be welcomed into the Wiki community. I seem to be gaining popularity among current and former music students. Keep on tranglin'. [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 04:33, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:Sorry for the late reply. I must have missed your comments. A ''legend''? Heh, I don't know about ''that'', but it's kind of you to say. And tranglin' is my middle name. Well, actually "dot" is, but if I ever changed my name, it might be to that. — [[User:It's dot com|It's tranglin' com]] 23:33, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

== Help creating welcome template? ==
I'm kinda embarrassing, since this is the sort of thing that seems like it ought to be easy to find an answer to—but it hasn't been. I want to start welcoming folks formally, and thought it would be nice to make an adapted welcome message of my own. I know doing this would involve creating a subpage in my userspace—but I have no idea how to go about that. Thanks! —[[User:notstrongorbad|notstrongorbad]] 05:32, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:Oooo! May I? (answer this one?) Making templates and new pages is really easy. So I hope I can explain well. First things first, new pages. All you need to do to create a page is to go to it and start editing it. Make sure you save the page, so it actually writes something down to create the page! Suppose you wanted to create a page called "strombalos" under your user space, then you'd go to [[User:notstrongorbad/strombalos]] (notice how it's in red now -- if you click on it now it'll take you straight to the edit page), and start adding information. It's that simple! You can even (from your user page) type the new URL yourself and start it that way. As for templates: all you need to do for the basic form is to put regular wiki code. There is more on templates that you can learn [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Template here], cuz they have neat stuff like variables and the like. There is more general help [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Section here]. Now for your specific case, you want to make a welcome page for our guests. I won't go into detail here, but you must use the template format in a special way. Suppose you had a template [[User:notstrongorbad/welcome_template]] in that page. Then you inject the code: <code><nowiki>{{subst:User:notstrongorbad/welcome_template}}</nowiki></code> into the victims', er, guests page and hit submit. It will inject the code and replace the contents of the template in his page. To practice, you can always use the [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]. Good luck! I hope this helps. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 07:57, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)
::And that's what I needed to know! DONK! Many thanks. —[[User:notstrongorbad|notstrongorbad]] 08:12, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== Block ==

Dot com, you blocked me then unblocked me.-24.24.226.13

:Yes. You keep messing with [[HRWiki:WikiTroll]], and it's hard to tell whether you're doing so maliciously. I suggest not doing that. The time that I blocked you, I thought you were blanking the page; then I realized those had recently been moved to an archive. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:10, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

== Hyphen?! ==
(in regards to Freshley's) I know it's an apostrophe; I have no idea what I was thinking when I made the edit. Just so you know that I'm not completely stupid. :-) The reason I reverted the edit, though, was even though it's correct, the display of the link is really funky, and for readability, it probably needs to be without the apostrophe, correct or not. [[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 20:19, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
:I'm not sure what you mean by really funky. I just looked at it again, and it looks normal to me. Either way, it's correct with the apostrophe, so it probably needs to be with it, funky or not. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:22, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
::At least for me, the external link box doesn't show up, unlike next to Mrs. Freshley's and the like, so there's several spaces between the word Shaw's and the text that follows it (such as Shaw's____and then text). But yeah, it does need it. That's why I had added it in the first place, but then I figured that it wasn't in the word because the link looked weird, so I took it back out. So it turns out that an edit of mine that I reverted was reverted back. Or something. My head hurts. — [[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 05:07, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

== Sandbox Talk ==

Since talking through Sandbox edits can get old, I figure I'd at least close the conversation here! :) Anyway thanks for the help making the edit easier, even if I was done by that time. At least I have a better idea of how play around with this more efficiently! :D --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:35, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
:Heh. Yeah, I was gonna follow along with what you were doing, but all that extra stuff kept getting in the way. Oh, well. Glad I could ''almost'' help. ;) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:46, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

==Regarding the Article of the Day==

Thanks for the image revert. I probably should have discussed the choice of image earlier, but hindsight is 50/50. I didn't exactly have my heart set on any one image, since the one I came up with originally was a different one altogether. I could see an edit war happening with this feature, what with like 50 images to choose from. I just wanted something easy to make out and understandable, that embodied the early Fanstuff, particularly drawings (since they don't usually feature those anymore). But the Matrix parody is a fun, clever, simple pic, and one that TBC also meantioned in the FAQ. Thanks for keeping watch. ;) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 03:15, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
:I've protected images on the main page before. Are we also supposed to protect featured ''articles'' as well? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:31, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
::If it's changed again, we could just protect the article. I don't think usually, since alot of users link stuff, fix wording, ect. Perhaps something similar in the future might warrent a featured article overview protect. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 03:47, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

== 2D Boombox ==

I just rewatch Sibbie. It looks like the radio gets thinner which would make it a goof as it loses normal aspect ratio but I wouldn't care so much if this doesn't make it. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:34, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

== E-mail this User ==

Hey, It's dot com. Just wondering what's up with the E-mail this User feature. Whenever you press the link, it says that you need to log in or enter a valid email address in your preferences. Any ideas what's wrong? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 02:09, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

:Have you entered a valid email address in your preferences? Have you confirmed it?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:19, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

:[Edit Conflict] You need to validate your email address using the link in your prefs. Also, if the person you're trying to email hasn't enabled the feature, you won't be able to send one. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:20, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

== Merry Birthday! ==

[[Image:fanstuff cake.jpg|left|thumb|170px|the only birthday cake I could find on such a short notice!]]I assume that from your [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User%3AIt%27s_dot_com&diff=182812&oldid=181207 edit] that on this day October 25, 2X years ago you were born!? Well, a happy birthday cake to you too! Congratulations! Next year you'll have to tell me what the big 3X feels like cuz I'm not that far behind ... (ok I'm slightly less than halfway there)... Congratz! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:57, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
::Happy T!, I mean happy birthday. {clears throats and prepares to sing} "This is your birthday song, it isn't very long! Hey!" {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:04, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Sweet, sweet Dot Com, Today is the day on your real (?) I.D. 
Now, get upstairs—unh! And fix me some new pages! {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:09, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

:Hehehe... Ah, you thought you could hide it from us with your ever-so-subtle edit coz you knew people'd make a big deal out of it, yeah? Lo, but we wiki users are too sharp for that. No edit escapes our eyes. Yea unto the dawning of a new era... or just another It's dot com birthday. Seriously, though. Happy birthday, and all that. Interesting... Next year, I'm assuming you'll be hitting 30. I'll be hitting 20 just before that. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::DorianGray wrote - "Next year, I'm assuming you'll be hitting 30." Sarcastic reply - yep that usually comes after 29.
::DorianGray wrote - "Lo, but we wiki users are too sharp for that." reply - no we just don't have a life, at least not one that others would understand.
:: Again, Happy T! {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:30, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Hey, thanks every peoples! ''(Longer reply to follow later.)'' — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:28, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

:Sweet, sweet Dot Com! Today is the day on your (real) ID! So get upstairs and make me some breakfast! ;) Seriously though, Happy Happy Birthday! {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 19:37, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

::I love the Happy Birthday bandwagon! Please allow me to hop on and do that thing where I tell you to have a good day and all that stuff. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 19:39, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

:::Happy sweet someteen bash, It's dot com. By the way, is it going to be [[Wikipedia:Nick at Night|Nick at Night]] themed again? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 20:04, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

::Happy hundredth birthday, Dot Com! [/cliche] Need I remind you that you were born just a few days before Matt Chapman? You're ''so'' lucky. Keep on keepin' on! —{{User:Mibluvr13/sig}} 20:05, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Happy birthday! :) {{User:Kilroy/sig}} 21:08, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Happy B. Er... I mean, Happy Birthday! {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 21:12, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

:Happy birthday, Ben. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 21:36, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

Happy birthday, buddy. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 00:10, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

:HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!! Er, Happy Birthday. {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 00:20, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

:Happy very belated birthday its dot com! (Better late then never, I assume). {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 23:54, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::Many belated combolations, Valerie. I hope you gamble all my...particles. Man, so cool! - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

== Cool Cool User ==

Hey man i'm just saying you deserved the User Award thingy you got and i've herd my brother has been a jerk to you so i'm just here to say that he's dumb your really cool. But was it you that deleated my goof on the DVD? If it was why did you do it? Well please respond to this Bye.
:Wow this a random comment !?!? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 20:08, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
::Yes and no. This user (wrongly) thinks that one of the shots that makes up the artwork in the interior of the Strong Bad Email DVD 4 is from [[dullard]], not [[other days]]. See [[Talk:strongbad email.exe Disc Four]] for more info. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 20:15, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
:::And it wasn't I who removed that item in question, but [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=strongbad_email.exe_Disc_Four&diff=183033&oldid=183023 Homestar Coder]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:57, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

== SIG 2 ==
Hey do you know how to get thoese awsom Signatures that people have -- Billy Bob Bob

:see the help section under Sig. that's where I learned. followed steps and you'll be all set {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 20:31, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

::Actually, start by typing four tildes (<code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>). That should do you for now. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:55, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

== New Page ==

Hey do you know how to make a new artical? I wan't to make one.

:You just have to insert the name of the page into two bracets like this:<nowiki>[[</nowiki>pagename<nowiki>]]</nowiki> Then, hit showpreview and the link should appear red. Click on it and edit away.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 20:35, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

== Oz ==

Look, it's clear you don't support the Oz reference. Let me at least put it where I intended it to be, and quit moving it. It's about to die anyway, let it rest where it belongs. There is no need to reply. [[User:B|B]] 04:32, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:Too late. It's dead. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:33, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::Well great, and now because of your tampering with it, we have an archive that carries your agenda rather than the question being discussed. Hope you enjoyed the power trip. [[User:B|B]] 04:43, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Oh, spare me the theatrics. As explained on the page, the throwaway line in different down didn't even compare to the visuals New Boots provided. If anything, that's where the reference would be. But, like I said there, it's not a reference in the first place. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:50, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Speaking of theatrics, now you've blanked your page? I don't see why you would leave just because we disagree on which toon this item doesn't refer to. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:55, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::Okay, play nice, guys. It's understandable you'd be frustrated, B, since I agree that different town should have been the only toon in discussion. But on the other hand, it stood even less chance than New Boots, so the change did you a favor of sorts. But either way, I find it's best to separate yourself from pages/edits you create; if they wind up going down, it's not a personal thing. (I say that, but yeah, I still find it hard.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:57, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::While that item was open, I thought about trying to tie the two pages in together, but after the voting got going, I realized it wasn't worth the effort. I maintain that if the reference were true, both toons would be independent references to the Oz episode, and New Boots—not different town—would have the strongest connection to it. Therefore, B, I resent your saying that I was going on a power trip, since I sincerely believe my actions to be in line with what was best for the wiki. Those who know me well know that I take great pains to ''avoid'' the mere hint of such a so-called trip. I do apologize, however, if my actions seemed in haste to you. That was not my intention. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:18, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::In the interest of fairness to all points of view, I have amended the page with a link to ''both'' toons, and I will be including it in the main archive under both names and on both talk pages. I hope this compromise is satisfactory. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:47, 1 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::: The issue is that I have decided that I have better things to do than to remain attached to the seedy underbelly that is the wiki disussion. I will continue to visit, as the site is ''really cool''. I won't make contributions unless no one else can provide what I have to offer, or if there is a blatant error on a page. I may continue to play on the sound effects page. Other than that, I have nothing else to add.
:::::::: The amendment is acceptable. The beef was not with what was the better referene. My beef was that it kept getting moved and altered. And without comment. The whole event was a display in discourteousness (on both parts, mine especially). I don't do much of this, and I worked hard trying to get that right. I appreciate the re-consideration.
:::::::: end of line. [[User:B|B]] 05:55, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

==Alphabetical order==

Here's a puzzle for anybody concerned. It's about [[Inside Jokes]] and [[Running Gags]]. Try going to each page, and clicking on the 'List of ______'. It seems that the article Inside Jokes, which is also in the category, is listed under 'L', as it should be. However, Running Gags is listed under '*'. Anybody know why this would happen? Is this happening to everyone? I dunno, it just seems kinda weird. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:39, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
:Someone put an asterisk in the link so that it would be listed first in the list. I made the other one match (although the dollar sign is coming before the asterisk, which probably should be fixed, but I'm not gonna do it now). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:45, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
::I won't do anything then -- I was about to make a similar change just now. I was actually thinking of doing it the other way: using the alphabet entries, but of course this makes more sense. Anyway, here's Dot com's [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Inside_Jokes&diff=190040&oldid=162318 change] so you can see what he did. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:48, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Huh. Go figure. You learn something new every day, I guess (although that little nugget is pretty useless). Thanks. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:01, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Oh, of course. Fixing $11.01 turned out to be as easy as fixing Inside Jokes. Good work, Elad. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:04, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::Thanks. Just as I was going to reply my computer froze. Now I'm replying from school (See my IRC nick :P). {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:20, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

== Manual of style! ==

Dot com, If I were British, I'd nominate you for a knighthood. I love it! I'll have to see if there's anything I can contribute to the new Manual of Style (although it looks like you've covered it pretty well yourself). You are my doge! [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 23:43, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
:I'm not British, either, so the most I can hope for is honorary membership in the [[Wikipedia:Order of the British Empire|Most Excellent Order of the British Empire]]. That would still be pretty sweet, though. :) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:53, 8 November 2005 (UTC)
::Ah yes, then you could be called "It's dot com, KBE" but not "Sir It's dot com". Just like Andre Previn. (Well, except he's called Andre Previn, KBE.) [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 08:21, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

== Forum ==

Okay, I got the forum email, then I sent out the email that I was supposed to send out, so now what do I do? I really want to join the forum. {{User:H*R 700/sig}}
:Er, I'm not really that knowledgeable about the forum. I have an account there, but I've made like 5 posts in a year, and It's been a while since I activated the account. Perhaps you could post this in a more public place. Sorry. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:41, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

:It's alright. I just post a a new subject on the Main Page talk. {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

== Confounded ==

Hey Dot Com! What's up? I'm leaving you a message cuz I was noticing [[Special:Contributions/Vile.exe|this user's contributions]] and they seemed strange... at best. His messages seemed almost nonsensical, and one of the most [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Jenny&diff=prev&oldid=194149 recent posts], seemed somewhat inappropriate to me. And so, once again, I run to you for sound advice and a second opinion. Thanks! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:37, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

:I actually noticed that particular edit. It seems, strange, at best. At worst, it could be labeled as harassment. It was right to come to Dot Com. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:41, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
::maybe he is related to Homesar (the character, if any user is name homesar, then I apologize) {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 21:43, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I discussed the matter with [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]], and we decided to block him for four days and revert the edit. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:00, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Devil's advocate here, but shouldn't that type of be a warning? Say he's only 11 and just an annoying kid but given a warning would stop, but on the other hand, he comes back tomorrow and is blocked and therefore doesn't come back anymore. I think there should be some standard of the severity of punishment to refer to. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 22:04, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::Personal attacks are not tolerated. It's as simple as that. Joey briefly mentioned perhaps just giving a warning, but after looking at the contribs agreed that a temporary block was in order. We've dealt with this guy's strangeness before. Thanks for asking questions, though. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:11, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::Thank you for straightening this out. I am glad to know I wasn't the only one who felt the post was inappropriate.--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 22:17, 9 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::As an addendum, I realize that he might not realize he was being offensive, perhaps because he's too young or immature. But that's not what I care about. I care about keeping this wiki a place where someone doesn't have to worry about that kind of thing showing up on his or her talk page. If someone isn't old enough to use the wiki responsibly and sensitively, then perhaps that person should stick to reading pages. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
::::::::I don't know if this matters much, but the remarks that user made seem to stem from [[Talk:More_Fan_Costumes#Some_New_Hotness|this discussion]]. As you can see, AbdiViklas and I suggested that the discussion should stop, but some kept going on it. I wish there were a way to get people to stop doing this sort of thing. Not that it excuses the blocked user, though. [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 08:29, 10 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::Oh, I knew full well what he was referring to, which is why my actions were such that they were. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:22, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::Cool. [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 06:56, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

==The system is down, yo==
Hey Dot com, you probably already know this/don't care, but earlier today the wiki wasent working at all. I'm no computer expert, but I ''do'' know that something was wrong with the wiki. Because all the pages on the wiki would refuse to load, but other sites loaded just fine. I was just wondering if this had anything to do with this site. Sorry for your time, {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 04:41, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
:Well, I hear someone tried to cram-a-lam a Swiss Cake Roll into the disk drive. See [[Talk:Main_Page#What_Happened?]] for more information. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:45, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
::Oh, my bad. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 04:48, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
:::No probalo. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

== Pledge Drive ==

Hey ther It's dot com, how have you been i myself have been doing great. Let me ask you something, what happens if Homestar runner wiki doesn't get the 2005 Fall Pledge Drive money? [[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 01:53, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
:Hello, Nikolce. I'm just fine. Glad to hear you're doing well. I don't know the exact answer to your question. You should ask [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:04, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

==Does the box have a troll in it? Or maybe a troll?==

Are you sure about [[Special:Contributions/24.151.40.232|24.151.40.232]]? Most of his/her edits seem inept, but not malicious. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:45, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
:Oops. I was blocking every IP in sight. I'll fix it. Thanks. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:47, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

== NSMC ==

Ben - what in the name of crap happened with this NSMC trollbot thing? I haven't been here in a while, I come back, some robot has tried to ruin everything...it's some ''Matrix'' type lunacy here, except instead of Keanu Reeves trying to save Zion, it's some hacker trying to save his own sense of worth! Hope you guys can triumph over the (repetitive) forces of evil. — {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 02:48, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
:And this wiki was relatively fortunate to have had some sentries on duty at the time of the attack, so we weren't down for long. (Although, if that sitenotice is still up there, then we haven't fully recovered yet.) Other wikis I know of had nearly 100 percent of their pages (at least temporarily) erased. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:11, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
::Hmmm - so it's some organized, or well-thought-out, anti-wiki measure? Seems like a techno-power trip to me. I'm glad we weren't too badly hurt, though. — {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 03:40, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

== source code ==

First off, are you sick or somthing (I ask because of the whole Strong Sad picture)? Can you or someone else let the code be seen for [[Special:Statistics]]. I'd like to maybe use one of the {{ }} type item for my user page. Also is there any place that lists all of the things like this and what each one displays. Is there one the will return the number of edits that I have made? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:22, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

:Well, here is the code:

<pre>There are '''$1''' total pages in the database.
This includes "talk" pages, pages about {{SITENAME}}, minimal "stub"
pages, redirects, and others that probably don't qualify as content pages.
Excluding those, there are '''$2''' pages that are probably legitimate
content pages.

There have been a total of '''$3''' page views, and '''$4''' page edits
since the wiki was set up.
That comes to '''$5''' average edits per page, and '''$6''' views per edit.</pre>

:As you can see, it uses PHP variables instead of MediaWiki variables (except for <nowiki>{{sitename}}</nowiki>), so it wouldn't work on your page without editing the source code for the project. But there are ways to do interesting things with your page. A lot of Wikipedia users have developed custom tools like this. Unfortunately, I don't know where to tell you to look for them or even whether they would work on our wiki. I seem to recall Lapper experimenting with something like this, but for one reason or another he couldn't get it to work. Sorry I wasn't much help here. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:31, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
::And, no, I'm not sick. That's for a friend. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:32, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
:::I took out the <nowiki><pre></pre></nowiki> syntax and did show preview to see what it would look like, and nothing happened. Does it only work on that one page that i mentioned above? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:31, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Right. Those variables are filled in by the code that generates that particular page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:33, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::The MediaWiki code is [http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/wikipedia/ freely available]. If you want the code behind [[Special:Statistics]], it's [http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/wikipedia/phase3/includes/SpecialStatistics.php?rev=1.28&view=auto there].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:36, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

== Thermometer ==

Hey, do you know how to get one of those mood thermometer things for a user page? Because I want one. Well, bye. Please get back to me on this on my user page. -- [[user:NOT Billy Bob Bob|NOT Billy Bob Bob]] 01:05, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
:Well, here's the code:
:<tt><nowiki>[[Image:</nowiki>Wikistress3D '''1''' v3.jpg|thumb|right|'''150px'''|'''My current stress level: not stressed''']]</tt>
:Don't change anything except what's in red. See the red number 1 there? That controls the stress level. It can be 1, 2, 3, or 4. The 150px controls the size of the image, which you can adjust. Last, you can make the caption anything you want. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:33, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

== Greetings, carpet bagger! ==

It is I, '''Sir Strong Bad!''' '''STOP'''

I bid you greetings from the year 1938! '''STOP'''

I'm rather new at this whole electronic communication system. '''STOP'''

So I am just making aquaintances. '''STOP'''

Farewell, you buffoon! '''STOP'''

'''Sir Strong Bad'''

<div style="font-family:monospace;background:#eee; padding:8px; border:1px dashed gray">DEAR SIR STRONG BAD STOP WELCOME HEREIN THUS TO OUR WIKI REGARDING THE HOMESTAR RUNNER STOP I BID YOU GOOD TIDINGS AND HOPE ALL YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS TO BE OF THE UTMOST CALIBER STOP NOW GET TO WORK YOU LOAF OR I SHALL BE FORCED TO GIVE YOU THE WHAT FOR STOP MOST SINCERELY [[User:It's dot com|IT'S DOT COM]] ON THIS THE SIXTEENTH DAY OF NOVEMBER IN THE YEAR TWO THOUSAND FIVE AT ONE HOUR AND FIFTY EIGHT MINUTES PAST THE MARK OF THE NEW DAY ALONG THE PRIME MERIDIAN</div>

Not often that you see prime meridian used meaningfully in a sentence. Good one! {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:45, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

== Everything else DVD ==

Do you already have it? I usually get H*R merchandise quickly - in fact, FedEx's website predicts its delivery today. However, the local FedEx guy himself is horribly slow and I don't have it yet. >_> --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:34, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
:Oh yeah, man. I've got it. In fact, Homestar keeps telling me "Ooh, check me out; I'm quite a masterpiece. Now get back over there and choose a choice!" — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:37, 16 November 2005 (UTC)
:: Sigh. After being the first one here to get Disc 4, looks like I got pre-empted on this one. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:38, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

== This is not Homestar Related But... ==

THEY CANCELD ARESSTED DEVLOPMENT! I just started watching it like a couple of weeks ago! and it was SWEET but oh well there is still DVD Collections. [[User:NOT Billy Bob Bob|NOT Billy Bob Bob]] 21:39, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

== Help me, It's dot com, you're my only hope ==

Hey Dot com, I recentley made a [[Homestar Runner]] cursor that I was going to use on my talk page, but I dont know where to upload it! Please help! {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 01:34, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
:I don't know whether we can upload custom cursors. And if we can, I don't know where. But I'm not your only hope. ''(Note: Dot com changed the section title to what it is now because he thinks Star Wars is cool. DBK did not originally say that Dot com was his only hope.)'' Try asking at [[HRWiki talk:FAQ]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:43, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
::You read my mind with the Star Wars reference, I just didnt want to sound like a complete dork :-p {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 01:51, 17 November 2005 (UTC) P.S You might want to consider archiving your page, it takes forever to preview.
:::Archiving?!? No way, Lucy! Only big wusses and lesser wimps archive their pages. Besides, mine's not even as bad as [[User talk:Tom|some talk pages]] out there. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:57, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Ha ha I guess you right, oh and I found a [http://www.fileupyours.com/ website] to host my cursor. {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 02:05, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
I need help again! Ahh Im so confused. I have the cursor [http://www.fileupyours.com/files/7565/homestarrunner%20cursor.ani here] but I dont know how to put it on my user page. The FAQ isnt helping either. Sorry to be bothering you. {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 02:40, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
:Well, I'm still not sure that it's even possible to use that here. At least not and have everyone see it. But you need to post your question on the FAQ talk page so others will notice it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:44, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

== Thanks For Your Help ==

The fanstuff wiki appreciates it :). {{User:Rainer/sig}} 05:35, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

HRWiki:Da Basement

2005-11-15T06:43:03Z

Rob: /* Missing/Inactive */

[[Image:The_Basement.PNG|thumb|300px|Where all the cool guys hang out]]Welcome to Da Basement! This is a messageboard for coordinating and discussing administrative tasks on the Homestar Runner Wiki. Although it is aimed mostly at sysops, ''any user'' is welcome to leave a message or join the discussion here. 
{{Da Basement Archive}}

== Template Overload ==

the [[Stinkoman 20X6]] game has its own [[Template:Stinkoman_20X6|template]], and much more recently [[Old-Timey]] got its own [[Template:OldTimey|template]] thanks to [[User:bkmlb|bkmlb]], which is looking good... shouldn't the 20X6 world (not the game) have its own Navigation Template as well? I think it's big enough it deserves one. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:00, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:I think we may be going overboard with the templates. Some of them are too big (this one would be), and when pages have two templates it looks odd. That's what I think anyway. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 04:05, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
::I agree with HSRUsername, we have some templates that are flat out useless in my view. 20X6 would be to big, like Old-Timey is. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 04:07, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:::Heh, you think pages get big with all the templates, check out some of the longer Wikipedia ones, like [[Wikipedia:George H.W. Bush#External links|some politicians]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:16, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)

::I don't know if this is the right place for my comment, or if a more central location would be better, but I think we're going a little overboard on nav templates here. For example, the only common thing about the Shorts is that TBC call them all that. I think we should consider removing some of the new templates from pages that don't really need them. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:21, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:::I not... not, not... not! not! not! not second that. You do like me! Eh, I find them rather helpful when I want to randomly jump around or see what's related. Sometimes it can help when you're looking for a certain something related to so-and-so, but don't know what that first thing is ... called? I dunno. But yeah moderation is not, not... er I mean definitely a good thing. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:46, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)
::::I'm not sure I'm reading your comments correctly, but if I am, then you're right: I don't not dislike not you. Seriously, I think you're doing a good job around here. These templates, however, ''do'' need to be examined more closely, and we need some more feedback. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:26, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:::::Gah! The templates! They're- they're attacking! O_O It's the gallery thing all over again. The way I see it: Use them where it's logical, such as SBemails and Stinkoman 20X6, but don't use them just to use them, like Shorts and Old-Timey. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 19:29, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)
::::::I think that templates should be used for things like games, where we would have to list them at the bottom of the page. Like at Stinkoman 20X6, we would be listing all of the related articles at the bottom of the page is it wasn't for the template. We don't say <blockquote>See Also: Short Short</blockquote>On another short, do we? {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 19:34, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:::::::I personally don't like the sudden onslaught of templates either... I think we're kinda pushing it a bit. Some things make good logical sense to group together, like Joshua said. Others... I don't think so. It seems we ARE using some, just coz we can. There are already lists for some of these things, too. Shorts, for example, are all already listed on the [[Toons]] page. Seems to me like the templates are really just trying to do the job that the categories already do... I just think they're getting a little clunky is all. Un...settling. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

:::::::::2 cents: We are going overboard with the templates. I don't mind the SBEmail, PQ, Stinkoman 20X6 (game), and Sightings templates; but things like CC, Old-Timey, and 20X6 are best left to the '''Categories'''. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 19:43, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I will let you in on a little secret page of mine (one of two that i keep) with all those [[User:E.L. Cool/templates|teplates]]. Just make a list of which one are fine and which need to hit the road. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:13, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:I don't mind templates all over the place, but can we at least keep them one color? They look so inconsistent in green, orange, purple, etc. They should all be the same blue as the Strong Bad Emails one. That's just my 2 cents. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 19:44, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)

::I'm with Joey. There's been a recent influx, but I don't think they're a bad thing. As long as they're peacefully at the bottom, they don't affect scrolling or anything, and are a handy navigation tool. I wouldn't mind keeping them all. The colors could be uniformed, but I don't have much of an opinion on that. I'd be fine just leaving them be. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 19:55, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:::The problem I have with the CC and Limozeen temps is... if we use them, then why not follow the trend and make more templates like, say, Fluffy Puff and Dangeresque? Can't we leave such things like those to the categories? —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 16:42, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

::::I agree with BazookaJoe. It's what I said: some of the templates are trying to do the job of the categories. I like the categories better anyways. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

Since voting seems to have stopped, we have three templates that have a majority of people in favor of deleting them. Shall we continue the voting, or delete these templates. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 20:24, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

:I think if no one else votes in the next day or so we could go ahead and start removing those three. We also need to discuss the ones where there was no clear consensus (Limozeen and Cheat Commandos) to see whether we can get a better majority (a one-vote difference is not very clear-cut, especially when I personally could change one of my neutral votes and either tie the vote or make the difference a little bigger). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:24, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

::It has been approximately a day. It seems like the templates will be deleted {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 22:37, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

:::Adding delete temps to the templates themselves is problematic for the pages that contain them. Templates that have been voted for removal will be... removed from the pages that they occupy. Until all templates have been removed from pages, they will not be deleted (my main reason for not deleting the templates outright is for E.L. Cool to preserve [or not preserve] them in any manner he wishes). —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:41, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

::::I noticed this and removed all references to <nowiki>{{Toons}}, {{Shorts}} and {{OldTimey}}</nowiki> from their respective pages. Even though the delete template is gone, it's something that would have to happen anyway, and it's easier to do while the templates are still there so you can use the "what links here" feature - currently only E.L. Cool's page links to these 3 templates. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 02:51, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

:::::I have no problem with E.L. keeping the templates. On the other hand, he could substitute the code if we wanted to be thourough and remove the pages themselves. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:54, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

::::::Also, I would be more inclined to keep the two that are on the bubble if, like Joey suggested, the colors were standardized (or at least toned ''way'' down). They could probably all use it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:55, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

:::::Uh, so can we delete those templates? They are now off the pages. Oh, and no probablo with E.L. Cool keeping the temps.{{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 22:36, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

===Template Voting===
Due to the large number of [[User:E.L._Cool/templates|templates]], we are voting to see which we should keep and which should go.

<hr>
:{{User:Joshua/sig}} - Okay, going through your list from top to bottom, here's my opinion:

* Strong Bad Email #1 - '''Delete''' These things don't really go together too well. They just aren't related closely enough. I.E, I don't really see Floppy Disc Container relating to SBEmails by Length enough to share a template. I know they were grouped together before, but then it was under "Additional Information," not "Strong Bad Emails." Am I making sense here?
* Peasants Quest - '''Keep''' It has a purpose. Although I'm not sure if the "Scalding Lake" link is nessecary.
* Teen Girl Squad - '''Partial Delete''' At least the Characters part. The Issue section is actually okay.
* Limozeen - '''Delete''' Not needed at all.
* Sightings - '''Keep''' Useful.
* Cheat Commandos - '''Delete''' Pushing the limits here...
* Marzipan's Answering Machine - '''Keep''' A-okay. Although I don't like how the ''12.2'' hangs out like that.
* Main Characters - '''Delete''' I know this one's been around a while, but I don't think we really need it.
* Toons & Shorts - '''Delete''' For reasons stated above
* Videlectrix Games - '''Keep''' I actually like this one. Many of these games are little known and closely connected.
* Stinkoman 20X6 - '''Keep''' Very useful.
* Main Pages - '''Neutral''' I don't know about this one. It's sort of like Shorts and Toons, but I like it for some reason.
* Old Timey - '''Delete''' No. Just, no.
* Strong Bad Emails #2 - '''Keep''' Probably the best template out there.

<hr>
:— [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:43, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC):

* Strong Bad Email #1 - '''Keep.''' The different ways of organizing the information should be interlinked.
* Peasants Quest - '''Keep.'''
* Teen Girl Squad - '''Keep.'''
* Limozeen - '''Delete.''' I think the category would serve this one fine.
* Sightings - '''Keep.'''
* Cheat Commandos - '''Keep.'''
* Marzipan's Answering Machine - '''Keep.'''
* Main Characters - '''Keep.''' It's been around for a while with no complaints till now.
* Toons - '''Delete.''' These technically are unrelated to each other.
* Shorts - '''Delete.''' Same as above.
* Videlectrix Games - '''Delete.'''
* Decemberween In July - '''Keep.'''
* Stinkoman 20X6 - '''Keep.'''
* Main Pages - '''Keep.'''
* Old Timey - '''Delete or severely prune.''' Again, maybe just the characters, or something...
* Strong Bad Emails #2 - '''Keep.''' Good ol' sbemails.

<hr>
:--[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]:

* Strong Bad Email #1 - '''Neutral.'''
* Peasants Quest - '''Keep.'''
* Teen Girl Squad - '''Partial Delete.''' Just the episodes.
* Limozeen - '''Delete.'''
* Sightings - '''Keep.'''
* Cheat Commandos - '''Delete.'''
* Marzipan's Answering Machine - '''Keep.'''
* Main Characters - '''Keep.'''
* Toons - '''Delete.''' They're unrelated and can all be found at the big [[Toons]] page.
* Shorts - '''Delete.''' See previous answer.
* Videlectrix Games - '''Keep.''' Some of these are obscure...
* Stinkoman 20X6 - '''Keep.'''
* Main Pages - '''Keep.'''
* Old Timey - '''Delete.''' This is just too big and clunky.
* Strong Bad Emails #2 - '''Keep.''' This is pretty important.
::On a side note, is there a better place for this? Maybe in Da Basement? This is getting to be pretty big, especially if everyone wants a vote. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::It will probably need to be moved and eventually archived. But, on the other hand, this page is relatively empty other than this discussion. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:00, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)

<hr>
{{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 21:19, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)
*Strong Bad Info: See [[Talk:Strong_Bad_Email#Template|this talk]]. '''Keep'''
*Peasants Quest - '''Keep'''
*Teen Girl Squad - '''Keep'''
*Limozeen - '''Keep'''. If not all, then leave just the charactes.
*Sightings - '''Keep'''
*Cheat Commandos - '''Keep'''. If not all, then leave just the charactes.
*Marzipan's Answering Machine - '''Keep'''
*Main Characters - '''Keep'''. Used it several times. Very important.
*Toons - '''Delete.'''. We have the [[Toons]] page.
*Shorts - '''Delete'''. Same.
*Videlectrix Games - '''Keep'''
*Stinkoman 20X6 - '''Keep'''
*Main Pages - '''Keep'''
*Old Timey - '''Keep''', but just the charactes. Too long!
*Strong Bad Emails #2 - '''Meh'''.. I mean '''Keep!'''
*Decemberween In July - '''Keep'''

*In short: leave episodes and characters, take out the toons.

<hr>
{{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 01:45, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)
This looks like fun!
* Strong Bad Email #1 - '''Keep'''
* Peasants Quest - '''Keep'''.
* Teen Girl Squad - '''Keep'''.
* Limozeen - '''Delete'''. Use the category
* Sightings - '''Keep'''.
* Cheat Commandos - '''Delete'''. Use the category
* Marzipan's Answering Machine - '''Keep'''.
* Main Characters - '''Neutral'''. Small, not really used
* Toons - '''Delete'''. Use the category
* Shorts - '''Delete'''. Use the category
* Videlectrix Games - '''Neutral'''.
* Stinkoman 20X6 - '''Keep'''.
* Main Pages - '''Keep'''.
* Old Timey - '''Delete'''. Use the category.
* Strong Bad Emails #2 - '''Keep'''

<hr>
{{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 01:56, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)
Awesome. It's old stuff all over again.
* Strong Bad Email #1 - '''Keep''' I like it.
* Peasant's Quest - '''Small pruning''' Take out Scalding lake, and I like it.
* Teen Girl Squad '''Keep''' - Not to big. Only 4-5 characters
* Limozeen '''Delete''' - Same reason as HSR Themed Username
* Sightings '''Keep''' - A good, solid template
* Cheat Commandos '''Severe Delete''' - Hate it. Use the category
* Marzipans Answering Machine '''Keep''' - Different from shorts because of common theme
* Main Characters '''Neutral''' - A little small, but nice idea
* Toons - '''Severe Delete''' Use the cat.
* Shorts - '''Severe Decline''' Same as Toons
* Videlectrix Games - '''Keep''' Maybe expand it to include all the games, but I like it.
* Stinkoman 20X6 '''Keep''' - A nice, solid template.
* Main Pages '''Neutral''' - Good template
* Old Timey '''Ultra Delort''' - To huge, toons don't have a common theme
* Strong Bad Emails #2 - '''Keep''' I was wrong, this is a template.

<hr>
--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 03:12, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)
'' shamlessly adapted from: {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 21:19, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)'''
*Strong Bad Info: '''Keep'''!!!
*Peasants Quest - '''Keep'''
*Teen Girl Squad - '''Keep'''
*Limozeen - '''Keep'''. At least leave members and (some?) songs.
*Sightings - '''Keep'''
*Cheat Commandos - '''Keep'''. At the very least leave the characters.
*Marzipan's Answering Machine - '''Keep''' but make it prettier.
*Main Characters - '''Keep'''. Yeah this one should be kept.
*Toons - '''Delort.'''
*Shorts - '''Delort.''' BUT if we delete these two, how are we linking back to the "Toons" Page? Maybe make both into a single link to that page?
*Videlectrix Games - '''Keep''' Definitely keep.
*Stinkoman 20X6 - Need to '''Keep'''
*Main Pages - '''Keep''' Definitely keep.
*Old Timey - Needs some serious '''Cleaning'''! Shorten.
*Strong Bad Emails #2 - Perhaps in the near future we may have to break it up? into say:
| < emails 1-75 | email 76 | email 77 | ... | email 99 | email 100 | emails 101-136 > |
::Where emails 76..100 would be replaced by the real names.
:::I dunno. As big a monster as the sbemail template is, I kinda like it intact. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:25, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)
::::Yeah, but what about when we get to like email #1000!? ;) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 11:46, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

<hr>
— {{User:Lapper/sig}} 17:48, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)
* Strong Bad Email #1 - '''Keep''' It's cool. Bulky, but cool.
* Peasants Quest - '''Keep'''
* Teen Girl Squad - '''Keep''' I like this one.
* Limozeen - '''Keep''' Not sure what purpose this serves…
* Sightings - '''Delete''' The pages are cluttery, anyway.
* Cheat Commandos - '''Delete''' This stuff should probably fall under toons and/or characters
* Marzipan's Answering Machine - '''Delete''' This thing is almost never updated anyway.
* Main Characters - '''Keep''' Gotta keep this one.
* Toons & Shorts - '''Keep''' Love those toons.
* Videlectrix Games - '''Delete''' We really don't need to know about all these. There's only, like, 5 games that work.
* Stinkoman 20X6 - '''Delete''' Really don't need this.
* Main Pages - '''Delete''' Nope.
* Old Timey - '''Delete''' Big, gray, no point.
* Strong Bad Emails #2 - '''Keep''' It's spunky. I like it.

<hr>
[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 18:39, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)
* Strong Bad Email #1 - '''Keep'''.
* Peasants Quest - '''Keep'''.
* Teen Girl Squad - '''Keep'''.
* Limozeen - '''Delete'''. Use the category.
* Sightings - '''Keep'''.
* Cheat Commandos - '''Delete'''. Use the category.
* Marzipan's Answering Machine - '''Keep'''.
* Main Characters - '''Keep'''.
* Toons - '''Delete'''. Use the category.
* Shorts - '''Delete'''. Use the category.
* Videlectrix Games - '''Delete'''. Use the category.
* Stinkoman 20X6 - '''Keep'''.
* Main Pages - '''Keep'''.
* Old Timey - '''Delete'''. Use the category.
* Strong Bad Emails #2 - '''Keep'''

<hr>
{{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 19:55, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)
* Strong Bad Email #1 - '''Keep'''.
* Peasants Quest - '''Keep'''.
* Teen Girl Squad - '''Keep'''.
* Limozeen - '''Keep'''.
* Sightings - '''Keep'''.
* Cheat Commandos - '''Keep'''.
* Marzipan's Answering Machine - '''Keep'''.
* Main Characters - '''Keep'''.
* Toons - '''Keep'''.
* Shorts - '''Keep'''.
* Videlectrix Games - '''Keep'''.
* Stinkoman 20X6 - '''Keep'''.
* Main Pages - '''Keep'''.
* Old Timey - '''Keep'''.
* Strong Bad Emails #2 - '''Keep'''

<hr>
--{{User:acekirby13/sig}} 20:07, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)
* Strong Bad Email #1 - '''Keep'''.
* Peasants Quest - '''Keep'''.
* Teen Girl Squad - '''Keep'''.
* Limozeen - '''Neutral'''.
* Sightings - '''Keep'''.
* Cheat Commandos - '''Keep'''.
* Marzipan's Answering Machine - '''Keep'''.
* Main Characters - '''Keep'''.
* Toons - '''Keep'''.
* Shorts - '''Keep'''.
* Videlectrix Games - '''Keep'''.
* Stinkoman 20X6 - '''Keep'''.
* Main Pages - '''Keep'''.
* Old Timey - '''Clean it up'''.
* Strong Bad Emails #2 - '''Keep'''.
* To be direct, they're all useful in some way or another.

<hr>
--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 23:27, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)
* Strong Bad Email #1 - '''Keep'''.
* Peasants Quest - '''Keep'''.
* Teen Girl Squad - '''Keep'''.
* Limozeen - '''Keep'''.
* Sightings - '''Keep'''.
* Cheat Commandos - '''Keep'''.
* Marzipan's Answering Machine - '''Keep'''.
* Main Characters - '''Keep'''.
* Toons - '''Keep'''.
* Shorts - '''Keep'''.
* Videlectrix Games - '''Keep'''.
* Stinkoman 20X6 - '''Keep'''.
* Main Pages - '''Keep'''.
* Old Timey - '''Clean it up ALOT!'''.
* Strong Bad Emails #2 - '''Keep'''.
Templates are used to organize links so they can be viewed all at once. All of these do that. If the Toons and Shorts don't get kept, somewhere on there should be what kind it is. As in, on there is the running time, characters and if it's a toon or a short.

:That may be true, but templates are only used if you must say See Also at the bottom of the page. That is true with some pages, but most do not. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 23:50, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)

::There ''is'' a link to the Toons and Shorts at the bottom. Right after the word Category. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:58, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)

<hr>
====Totals====
{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=5 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! Template !! Keep !! Delete !! Neutral
|-
| Strong Bad Email #1 (small) || bgcolor=#eeeeee | 10 || 1 || 1
|-
| Peasant's Quest || bgcolor=#eeeeee | 12 || 0 || 0
|-
| Teen Girl Squad || bgcolor=#eeeeee | 11½ || ½  || 0
|-
| Limozeen: || 6 || 6 || 0
|-
| Sightings || bgcolor=#eeeeee | 11 || 1 || 0
|-
| Cheat Commandos || 6 || 6 || 0
|-
| Marzipan's Answering Machine || bgcolor=#eeeeee | 11 || 1 || 0
|-
| Main Characters || bgcolor=#eeeeee | 9 || 1 || 2
|-
| Toons || 3 || bgcolor=#eeeeee | 9 || 0
|-
| Shorts || 3 || bgcolor=#eeeeee | 9 || 0
|-
| Videlectrix Games || bgcolor=#eeeeee | 8 || 3 || 1
|-
| Decemberween In July || bgcolor=#eeeeee | 2 || 0 || 0 
|-
| Main Pages || bgcolor=#eeeeee | 9 || 1 || 2
|-
| Old Timey || 2 || bgcolor=#eeeeee | 7 || 3 (clean up)
|-
| Strong Bad Email #2 (big) || bgcolor=#eeeeee | 12 || 0 || 0
|}

==Bug 3231==
I'm sure some of you have noticed, but be aware of [http://bugzilla.wikipedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3231 bug 3231].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:44, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

:Here's the easiest way to recover from that bug:
:1. Go to the affected page's history.
:2. View/restore deleted edits. Hit the restore button.
:3. Go back to the affected page, which will still redirect to itself.
:4. Go to the history. There should be two items, view the second.
:5. View previous version. View previous version again.
:6. Hit the edit tab, confirm that it's the article and not the redirect, and save.
:Anyone have a better way? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 20:50, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

::Nope, that's the correct workaround.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:54, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

:::Is there a better place we could put this solution? It took me a while to figure it out and BazookaJoe was having trouble with it too (yesterday). {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 20:56, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

::::<s>This may sound trivial, but just to be sure: it would prolly be a good idea that the two admins involved in the collision agree which of the two will fix the problem (lest another collision occur).</s> Would it be possible to have some kind of log that would allow admins to mark which pages they are reverting in order to avoid this in the first place? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:13, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

::::Hi guys! As an exercise in thought I figured I'd try to see why this bug occurs. In fact it's not a bug per se, but a side effect of all of the wiki features running properly, but doing so concurrently. Anyway, I wrote down step by step what happens between the two admins and the contents of each page (where oldpage is the original wiki name, and newpage is the new vandalized name). I hope this isn't mind-numingly obvious to all, but serves as an informative tidbit about computer stuff. And I like pretty tables.
::::{| border = 1 cellspacing=0 style="border-collapse:collapse"
| colspan=4 bgcolor=#eeeeee align = center | Order of execution
|-
| align=center | Step || align=center | Admin A || align=center | Admin B || align=center | Page contents
|-
| align=center | 1 || Initiates Request to move page || Initiates Request to move page || '''oldpage''' = redirect to new page name '''newpage''' = real contents ''this is the original state, nothing has happened yet''
|-
| align=center | 2 || || Completes Request to move page || '''oldpage''' = real contents '''newpage''' = redirect to old page name
|-
| align=center | 3 || Completes Request to move page || || '''oldpage''' = redirect to old page name '''newpage''' = redirect to old page name ''the redirect to the old page name from the previous transfer is what gets copied, not the text and history we want to move''

|}
::::--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:38, 25 October 2005 (UTC)

== A solution to the problem ON WHEELS! ==

Willy on Wheels has decided that he likes this Wiki... but I'm wondering if there isn't some way to thwart him besides just reverting and blocking his names. On the "Protect" prompt, there is a button labelled "Protect from moves only." Is this what it sounds like? Can this be used to prevent a page from being moved... without making it uneditable? I think I would like to test this... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:46, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

Uh, Jay, this was already brung up. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 20:47, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

: Was it? Hold on, let me look for it. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:49, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

::Check out [[HRWiki:Da Basement#Willy On Wheels Strikes Again]]. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 20:51, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

::: I see that now (dang me for not using Control-F). Tom seems to think it a bad idea, but as I stated up there:

:::''I see where you're coming from, and this applies to many pages... but to 'toon pages? I mean, is [[suntan]] or [[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy]] likely to be moved legitimately at any point in the future?'' --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:54, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

I like this Wiki because I don't want to lose my sysop account on Wikipedia! Since I don't get to be a sysop here, I just vandalize! [[User:WOW sock|WOW sock]] 21:33, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
:If you didn't vandalize, then you could become a sysop here, too. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::EDIT: Woah! I forgot who this guy was. Do all of his accounts have any kind of common IP? We could do an IP range block...if you can do that on MediaWiki. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::Unfortunately, I believe Willy has a dynamic IP. It changes every time he enters the site. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

It's now becoming obvious that a waiting period of at least one day should be enacted before a user can move pages. We've had about 3 WoWs in the same number of hours, and I honestly think those sockpuppets could have been blocked given the usernames. If we change [[Template:welcome]] to reflect this, then I don't think new users will have much of a problem with not being able to move pages. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 22:59, 24 October 2005 (BST)

==Willy On Wheels Strikes Again==

''I don't think that he is going to come back. I think that he knows that this is a lot smaller than Wikipedia, and will move to a different wiki.'' -- [[User:Rogue Leader|Rogue Leader]]

Looks like that's not the case. Just thought I'd meantion to whoever didn't know, he just struck again, moved a bunch of pages, and was valiantly thwarted by [[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]. Isn't there anything more we can do that will be a bit longer lasting than a few days? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 22:29, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Kilroy did the blocking, but don't forget [[User:Some HSR themed username|Some HSR themed username]]. He moved the pages back to where they belong so fast that I couldn't even help him. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:40, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::I have added [[User:Be's careful]] to [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress/Willy on Wheels|Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress/Willy on Wheels]]. See the inter-wiki section. He not only vandalizes WP and Wikitionary, but WP in other languages, and other wikis like ours. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:00, 4 Sep 2005 (UTC)

This guy has some serious problems. At least it isn't nearly as bad as Wikipedia. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 01:09, 4 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Dude! He's a wiki-vandalism-maniac! (Excuse the non-SySop-type person post please.) --[[User:Ookelaylay|Ookelaylay]] 22:21, 4 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::Oh man. That guy is. . . well, persistent normally applies to diligent, good-natured people, but Willy is darn persistent on Wikipedia. Wow. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 1:51, 17 Sep 2005 (CST)

:Ah peas! He's back, as [[User:Homestar walker|Homestar walker]]! Didn't someone block the IP range last time this happened? --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 17:34, 23 September 2005 (BST)

:It's like playing pong...yeah, that address needs to be blocked. Now. {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}}16:36, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Wait, so he moved pages and now is removing his vandilisim? What the heck?--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 16:41, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::<strike>Well, he's still moving stuff, so he's not repentant. It's an insincere apology, I think.</strike> Man, in the five minutes I go to put a pizza in the oven, look what happens. You'd think he'd tire of this by now. He's been doing it forever. What kinda pleasure does he get from it? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::'''EDIT:''' Misread the recent changes. He did stop, but I still don't buy his story.

::Dunno - I mean, if annoying people you don't know is how you get through the day, then that's what you do. It's curious, though - without the internet, what would this guy/girl do? Make prank phone calls? It almost makes me want to crack the old pscyh books and try to figure out what stage of mental development everything went wrong for this guy...almost. {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 16:51, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::Or maybe he's just plain bored. (I'd like to think I have a bit of expertise in the matter, being WOW myself.) [[User:Homestar walker|Homestar walker]] 16:54, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Maybe there's more than one or something? I mean, anyone could create a WOW style account and start moving pages. I could be a respected contributor or something. [[User:Homestar walker|Homestar walker]] 16:49, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:But you're a page-move vandal. Were you planning on contributing? {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}}
::Maybe, if I can find something to contribute. If not, I won't vandalize UNLESS I am blocked. [[User:Homestar walker|Homestar walker]] 16:56, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:::There's always something to contribute. Everyone has a specialty. Some people just help with smaller edits and things. You don't need to do something big to be respected. Take me for example. I was here for months before we found a use for my [[Sound Effects|love of making lists]]. But page-moving's not a good way to get noticed. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::I know, so I'm now trying to find an anon welcome template (see my contributions for my attempt at welcoming an anon.) [[User:Homestar walker|Homestar walker]] 17:01, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::::Okay, Walker, it's like this: this is a community. Certain behaviors are expected from members of the community. A new member of the community might not initially realize what they are doing is not approved by the community until somebody tells them so. And, as a representative of the community, I'm telling you: you cannot come in here, vandalize half a dozen pages, repent, and then threaten to do it again ''if'' you are blocked. I'm sorry to say you ''will'' be blocked, because people are blocked for behavior nowhere near as bad as yours was. If you are truly sorry for what you've done, that's fine - but that still doesn't erase the fact that you kept at it for over five minutes. The sysops are not very forgiving of such willful and brazen behavior, and whether or not they forgive your behavior is entirely up to them.{{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 17:08, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

'''Uh-oh!''' Now I see a user called [[User:No_wheels|No wheels]]. Don't know if it's WOW, but this person blanked [[Gavin]] except for the words "No wheels". could somebody please check him/her out? Name sounds close, but I don't know just how comparatively close it is to all the other incarnations of WOW. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 06:31, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:According to [[Special:Log/Block|the block log]], he's got a ban of indefinite for been WoW. So presumably, yes, he is WoW. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 07:36, 28 September 2005 (BST)

:Another Troll. His name's [[User:Hydro]]. He's blanked or vandalized at least 50 pages within the past half hour or so. Maybe a Wow? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:32, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::Just a regular troll. Blanking's not Willy's MO. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 12:34, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::Maybe so, but that doesn't make him any less annoying. He needs to be blocked. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:35, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Oh my goodness... [[User:Me ON WHEELS!]], et al. '''(groan)'''. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 05:05, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

:Okay, so, HomestarCoder, Me ON WHEELS!, and the hundreds of random created usernames that filled up the [[Special:Recent changes|recent changes]] page. Did you know that until HomestarCoder moved it, [[User:Stu|Stu]]'s user page hadn't been touched for two days less than a full year? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 12:27, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

::Note: Homestar Coder != HomestarCoder. ;) {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 14:56, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
:::It's kinda weird... EVERY time Willy's struck, I've been up getting something to eat. And half those times, it's been pizza. I should do the wiki a favour and stop eating, eh? Also, this was the first time I got moved in a Willy attack. And I also saw the names 'DorianBlack' and 'DorianWhite' among those new creations. I mus' be getting popular to have a play on my name for eventual trolling, eh? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::::I was eating pizza too. Clearly pizza attracts Willy on Wheels. Also, "congrats" on getting your own troll-parody name ;) {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 15:22, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

:::::''(This snippet is the intended reply to these messages, copied from the section [[HRWiki:Da_Basement#Deterrence|below]]):'' LOL. On my behalf "congratz" too! I can't say I have been so blessed (as you or Homestar Coder). --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:52, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
Uh oh. Look at the first 29 users (I'm not sure about 1. ! though) on [[Special:Listusers]]. All of them have ON WHEELS, or a variant of an established username in the username. If you don't want to click the link, then
<blockquote>
# !
# !!!!Willy on Wheels has an admin account on Wikipedia
# !!!Wikipedia ON WHEELS!
# !!!Willy ON WHEELS! AKA Homestar Coder
# !!AOL on Wheels!!
# !!Admin on WHEELS!!
# !!BAZOOKA JOE ON WHEELS!!
# !!Bubs on Wheels!!
# !!Coach Z on Wheels!!
# !!Grape Nuts on Wheels!!
# !!Homesar on Wheels!!
# !!Homestar runner on wheels!!
# !!It's dot com!
# !!Its dot org!!
# !!JOEY DAY ON WHEELS!!
# !!Jimbo Wales on Wheels!!
# !!Marzipan on Wheels!!
# !!Spam on Wheels!!
# !!Strong Bad on Wheels!!
# !!Strong Mad on Wheels!!
# !!Strong Sad on Wheels!!
# !!The Cheat on Wheels!!
# !!Vandal on Wheels!!
# !!WILLY ON WHEELS
# !!WILLY ON WHEELS!!
# !!Wheels on Wheels!!
# !!Wheels without Wheels!!
# !!Wheels!!
# !!Willy on Wheels!!</blockquote>
:Can a sysop block all/most of these (depending if ! is WoW)? And the ON WHEELS users lower down on [[Special:Listusers]]? --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 11:32, 25 October 2005 (BST)
:::'''EDIT''': Whoops! According to [[Special:Log/block]], all of the above (except "!") were blocked this month. Sorry.
::Well, Venusy, as noted in the following comments below, we might be able to, but it could be an inconvenience. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 11:41, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
::Hey guys, have you seen [[Wikipedia:User:Homestar_Runner_on_Wheels|this]] WOW sockpuppet? *Shudder* — {{User:Lapper/sig}}

=== Deterrence ===
''(This was a reply to Dorian Gray and Homestar Coder's messages on 15:22, 24 October 2005):'' LOL. On my behalf "congratz" too! I can't say I have been so blessed (as you or Homestar Coder). ''(From here on, this is a new topic):'' I was thinking, why not write a script that would prevent page moves/usernames to contain the string "ON WHEELS" (case insentive, ignore whitespace) that would disallow such moves/creations without the approval of an admin? I'm not sure if this is what wikipedia does (it's [[Wikipedia:Willy_on_wheels|close]] but more stringent), and of course, the attacker can switch to "0n \/\/|=|33lz" or something crazy like that but at least it would deter the On wheels joke. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:52, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
:As an aside: In contrast to Wikipedia, HRwiki's page names are pretty static (that includes user names) -- generally things are added to the homestar world, note renamed, I don't see much harm in globally protecting all pages from being moved/renamed. In the event of such necessity sysops could do the move/rename through some request system. If this is too burdensome, is it possible to grant a certain set of non-sysop users page-move privileges?--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:57, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
::While what you suggest is possible, it's best not to inconvience ourselves in any way, shape, or form because of a troll. That's what they are trying to do and we should try not to help them.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:56, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
:::I agree with Tom, but I have a question. There was talk that this version of MediaWiki would prevent a user from moving pages until they had some small number of edits. This was to prevent Willy on Wheels so that we could catch them in the trolling edits stage rather than in the massive page-move stage. It also would not be much of an inconvenience to anyone since pages are moved so infrequently and usually moved by users who have been around at least a bit. Does this ability exist? What do you think about exercising it, if it does? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 18:25, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
::::I did see a mention of that somewhere before we installed 1.5, but I don't believe it actually exists/works. There are bugs filed [http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/] relating to the issue that I was hoping to link to, but I can't at the moment since the MediaWiki Bugzilla server is down.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:38, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::Um, yeah nevermind my "on wheels" idea -- that's too cumbersome. However, I don't see the 'move' protection idea that unfeasable. If 1.5 does not implement that already I could forsee two simple(?) code changes: make all newly created pages move-protected by default (this would alter the PHP SQL query for handling new pages), and then apply an SQL script that would make all current pages move-protected. This is assuming there is such a flag (I thought I remembered a discussion about some pages about this), which would allow general page edits, but not moves. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:00, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
This is a wiki. The number ONE rule of any wiki is that anyone can edit. So, maybe some annony thinks of a better name title down the road, tries to move it, and bam, he can't move it. Reverting move trolling isn't that hard. I think its even fun to combat our friend Willy. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 20:26, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
:I see where you're coming from, and this applies to many pages... but to 'toon pages? I mean, is [[suntan]] or [[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy]] likely to be moved legitimately at any point in the future? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:51, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
::Very true, but I really don't think that we shouldn't go to extremes to stop WOW. i really think that it is simple to remove his moves (Excuse the pun). {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 20:56, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
::: I disagree; an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:57, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
::::It is almost fun to stop his vandalism. I can imagine he's surprised at how resilient we are. I would rather block moves than have to deal with this, though. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::Jay, it is probably ok to block moves from 'toons and games, but other articles not so much. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 22:23, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::I'm somewhere between Jay and Rogue, but leaning more toward Jay. I think you could protect basically anything that's not likely to change: Toons, Games, Characters... Anything that has an official name or isn't likely to be given an official name, due to its being a one-time joke or something. There's really very little that's likely to need a renaming. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::Yeah, thats what I meant. Like, protect [[Homestar Runner]] from moves, but not [[Jack Hamma]]. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 22:33, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::::I don't see what that would accomplish. There would be enough pages left that he could simply target those that remained unprotected. It takes just as much effort to have to fix a [[Jack Hamma]] that gets moved as it does a [[Strong Bad Email]]. And then there's also the danger, however unlikely, that a rarely-seen page would get lost in the shuffle. Therefore, since it would be such a hassle to pick and choose which pages to protect, and the benefit might not even be realized, I think the page-move protection should apply uniformly to every page with one setting (that Tom would handle) or not at all. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:45, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
I just can't imagine that he will this up for long. He basically has no life and is probably under 13 years old. He can't find this fun for long. I think he gets the picture that every move he makes is fixed almost instantly. He will get bored of this game soon. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 22:50, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
::You'd think so, wouldn't you. People have predicted for a while that the attacks would stop eventually, but that does not seem to be the case. Additionally, we don't know how many copycats are out there. I doubt this is the same guy who's vandalizing Wikipedia (I mean, seriously, who are we?), but you never know. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:57, 24 October 2005 (UTC)
::: I realize that protecting only some of the pages from moves won't fix the problem completely, but I suspect that what he does is hit "Random Page" on the sidebar and move whatever he hits, sometimes targetting a specific page. (Because there really doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason to the pages he moves.) If a significant number of pages were protected from moves, it would, at the very least, be strong discouragement. And here's the big question: why ''not'' protect 'toon/character with official name pages from moves? What does it hurt if we do? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:29, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
:::: User pages need to be protected too -- it is not every day (except maybe upgrade to 1.5 day) that a user changes the name of his/her page (subpages perhaps, but even then). I think it makes more sense (and would probably be less laborious) to protect all pages. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:46, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
::::: It's not that I disagree, because I don't, but many people (including, apparently, Tom) don't like the concept of making lesser pages unmoveable by ordinary users. I was trying to find a middle ground, but I do agree that page moves are mostly unnecessary on this Wiki - only a very few pages here are likely to ever be moved, especially since most of the big pages are given the same name as 'toons or characters that TBC do. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:52, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::: I am pulling a John Kerry on this one, but now I think that it isn't the wiki way. [[HRWiki_talk:The_Stick]] says that, while a page may not be edited, it is still an extreme to protect it. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 19:22, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::: But apparently trolling is the Wiki way? I'm not suggesting that we protect the pages from any edits at all, I'm merely suggesting that we prevent pages that have no excuse to be moved from being moved. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 10:05, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::::That's not going to solve anything. There will always be movable pages in the Talk:, User:, User talk:, HRWiki, HRWiki talk:, Template:, Template talk:, Help:, and Help talk: namespaces. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 11:46, 26 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::Yes, that is why my suggestion has been to protect from any moves '''all''' pages within this site, but not protect them from edits. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 13:34, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Okay, seriously. Someone take a good look at the [[Special:Log/move|Move Log]]. The only non-vandal and non-de-vandal edits were the removal of minor typos, changed usernames from the last move, and mis-remembering which toon a STUFFed fact came from: 7 in the last 100 or so, 5 of them by sysops anyway. 9 in the last 200. Sooner or later, someone's likely to miss one of Willy's vandal moves for even just a little too long. It's such an easy fix that will barely impact the regular usage of the Wiki. Are we just going to keep letting him do it? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:23, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
:I say no. We won't let him. Why even have the 'protect from page moves only' option if not to use it against vandals? I see very little drawback to it, especially after you posted those figures. I'm all for move protection to any extent. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::I too am in agreement with {{User:Jay/sig}} to protecting page moves from all but sysops, or perhaps a seperate group of any common trusted users below sysops with page move privilages. I'm sure that he would probably just move on to edit or page create vandalisms, but it would be an easier revert than moves. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:51, 29 October 2005 (UTC)
:::I agree with Thunderbird, here. The topic of "mover" users has been brainstormed before, and it would be a nicer alternative then having to manually revert every WOW move. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:53, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

And now I'd just like to point this thing out again... As if we need reminding after today's hat trick. Surely anyone who was present during this can agree that we need to start the page-move protection for, well, just about everything. There was even an occurrence which a page was updated while under its WoW influence (a STUFF page, I believe). This needs to stop, yeah? We've seen the statistics, and the damage. Now we need some action. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
: If it was up to me, I'd have already done something. But it's not up to me. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:42, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:Here, here!! I'm all for it after today's "hat trick", as DorianGray called it. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 06:47, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::It's not like we do nothing when the defacement occurs. The most recent comments almost make it sound like all we do is watch it happen.
::However, we will not be move-protecting pages. It's not the wiki way. Besides, it's not like they couldn't just find a different way to deface. It's not hard to deface a wiki. But it's also not hard to fix the defacement.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:52, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:::All right. After looking at it with these comments in mind, I see the other side. It is really easy fixed. I just wish there was more we could do. The wiki's my second home. More than that, it's a friend of mine, really. And I just don't like when people mess with my friends. But I'm-a hereby dropping the subject and going to bed. Good night, fair wiki. Maybe one day you will see an internet utopia where your pages remain untroubled. I look forward to that day, as I'm sure we all do. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::::While I'm not much of a troll fighter myself (Those are too fast for the common gmone that I am), our wiki is the first site I chack when I wake up, and the last site I close when I go to sleep. This morning (My morning, your evening) I even tried to chat on the IRC channle while chacking for updates and got too distracted to do both. I had two options: The quit the chat channel or to stop chacking the wiki. I choose the latter. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 08:34, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::Sleep is a good thing! Let me tell ya... My posts should be more coherent now ;). First, E.L. you said that you chose to quit ''the latter''. So you chose to stop chacking the wiki? I'm just making sure cuz I always have trouble myself using the correct one (''former vs. latter'') much like I can confuse left and right (''no, no, your ''other'' left!'').
:::::I don't know why I didn't think of this earlier! Way up at the beginning of this discussion, I mentioned an SQL query and code change would do the trick (ha! how misguided I was -- even that would be a lot of work!), it would actually be an even simpler thing to protect all pages, past, present, and future, from moves this way: modify the code for the SpecialMovepage.php object to only allow the appropriate users to access its features! This should only be a few lines of well-placed code.
:::::Why did I make mention of this? While it may not be the Wiki way to take such drastic measures, I do ask that we step back and reflect on our philosophy for Wiki...ing. As far as understand, the Wiki way is not a set of rules written in stone, but rather a solid set of guidelines built on common sense and a dream. Most of the rules in the big wiki I am sure arose out of guidelines and user experience in order to formulate the best course of action to take in the case where there are problems. I wouldn't be surprised if many of them arouse out of the consensus of Wiki's many users and administrators. Each set of rules is developed under a certain context: the big Wiki's amazingly large article count, as well as user base, has made their set of rules into what it is.
:::::Our situation is a little different, as has been pointed out in previous posts in this thread, and the consensus here seems to move in a slightly different direction. Even the big Wiki's own [[Wikipedia:Page-move protection|Page-move protection policy]] mentions the policy being appropriate ''in cases of frequent or on-going page-move vandalism'', which almost seems like our case (compared to the number of actual moves we do). The article makes little mention of when not to move pages. So personally, I don't think this is actually such a drastic measure given our circumstances, and the context in which our policies can be built upon. This proposed policy would not inconvenience others, but rather aleviate some of the work done by already-busy administrators. Please understand, I am in no way trying to dictate what to do -- it has been you, not me, who has been entrusted to be the keepers and guardians of this wonderful wiki. I am just hoping that what I say is reasonable, and that in the end would prove to be a good thing for this wiki. Good day all! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:14, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::The latter - I choose stying on the wiki. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:41, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::If we ''did'' lock the page moves, I think it would be simple matter of putting a <nowiki>{{tobemoved}}</nowiki> template on a page. Sysops could then check a To Be Moved page just like we check the To Be Deleted page. It would take some getting used to, but given the relative infrequency of real page moves, I don't think it would be that much more work compared to fighting vandals. So the technical side is easy; what I'm more concerned about is the philosophical side:
::::::    I'm ambivalent toward this issue. On the one hand, this is a real and annoying problem, but on the other hand, if we do anything about it, it won't actually affect my ability to move pages. So I pose this question to you non-sysops who are advocating limiting or eliminating page moves by regular users: '''Are you really comfortable giving up your rights just to satisfy this troll and the problem he's creating?''' Think carefully about that one, because it sets a serious precedent. Now, here's the kicker—the answer to the question may be ''yes''. Perhaps you ''are'' willing to give up functionality in return for security. It is a sad but true fact that houses all have locks, and some even have burglar alarms. There are a thousand other examples you could find like that in any society. Note, however, that I am not necessarily advocating locking page moves as the correct course of action; I'm merely saying that you should realize what you're asking for and the potential ramifications. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:51, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::Yes. Yes, I would. I operate by the creed 'better safe than sorry'. And it wouldn't really be that much different from my view. I like the To Be Moved idea as well. And I also point out of the Help:Contents problem we're also currently having. That required some sort of extremism too... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
I just had a thought, someone hit me with a clue-by-four if it's been suggested already on Wikipedia or somewhere, but the main problem is basically that reverting each page move individually is tedious, Yes? The Wiki Way is that mistakes should be easy to fix rather than hard to make - what we need is a way to make it easier to en masse revert page moves. Perhaps someone (either here or from the wikipedia community) could develop a (presumably sysop-only for obvious reasons) "revert all edits/moves by this user" button? {{User:Phlip/sig}} 17:58, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:Ooh, ooh. I like that. I never would have thought of that myself. Would such a thing be possible to develop? My knowledge of current technology is somewhat limited... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
As a non-sysop here, I'd have to say that I '''despise''' the idea of losing my ability to move pages because of a troll. Moving pages might not happen too often, but I have used it successfully in the past. (for example, Cheat Commandos Commercial --> Cheat Commandos (toon) ) Some of you admins might not care about page moving becoming sysop-only, but as a normal user I know I'd hate to lose that ability. Here's hoping that you guys can figure out a better way. (I like the whole sysop-only "revert all edits by that user" idea.) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:18, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:I think it will be hard to some users to give up on something ones they added it. Wouldn't you like to being able to delete pages? To block trolls? I know I do. I see a vandeled page and the thing I want to do the most is go right there and smack that dumb troll back to his cave. But I can't. And that's the way it is now. But if I did had that power, as a plain-old user, and someone took it from my hands I would be outraged to. Who are those sysops think they are? Taking my rights to delete and block? The same thing goes to moving pages. If you didn't had that right in the first place, would you realy miss it? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:41, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::Ok. To make that I wrote clearer, this is what I meant: The only reason you object to protecting the pages from moves, is because you could move them in the first place. If you never had that right, you would never miss it. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:03, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Yeah, but it doesn't really matter now, does it? If you never ever touched any type of electronics, you wouldn't miss computers, TVs or the internet. But now it's too late. You'd miss them. Ah, well. Basically, true as your statement may be, it doesn't change the fact that I'd hate to lose those powers. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 19:09, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Reply to Philip's idea, I would love it if they developed that. But I think it would be too dangerous, unless it had a built in 'hour time limit' or so. Otherwise some sysop accidentally reverts 5 years worth of edits, it could be chaos. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:26, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::When a sysop views a user's contributions, he or she has a "rollback" link next to each edit that is the most recent for the article. These edits are also marked with '''(top)''' for all users, sysops or not.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:44, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::Hmmm, you're right. I never really thought of it that way. Although technically it's not a central button, it's a page with the buttons all right there though, which is almost as good. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:24, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::I'm curious, does this button only work when the edit is the '''(top)''' edit? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:32, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::Yes, the rollback button only works for the top edit. Only sysops have it, if you're looking for it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:48, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::Thanks! Oh, yeah I knew only sysops have it. I may have delusions of gradeur time and again but um... oops did I just say that out loud? I wanted to know the limits of its functionality. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:51, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

: BTW, in case no one knows, Wikipedia's policy is:

:<blockquote>Wikipedia now only allows users with 25 edits or above to make page moves, and the reason must be stated.</blockquote>

:Found [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Vandalism|here]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:32, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

::That sounds like a good policy to me. That way, normal users aren't penalized, and trolls will be discouraged, or be caught and banned before they start moving pages. I am in favor of this if it can be done here. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 00:32, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

:::I am also for this idea, but I think we should change the guideline to 25 ''main namespace'' edits to be sure that the user is actaully here for the benefit of the wiki. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 00:37, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

::::Just for my knowledge, and so I can understand what's being suggested, what defines a ''main namespace'' edit, as opposed to just any edit? [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 00:57, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::"Main namespace" is the part of the wiki with the articles. The part that doesn't have "User:" or "HRWiki:" or "Help:" or something in front of it. But can someone tell ''me'' if that includes those articles' talk pages? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

:::::Talk pages are in the Talk: space, not the main space. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 01:00, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::Thanks for the info, Dorian Gray and H*C. Yes, this sounds like a good idea, as it wouldn't affect non-sysops who are still good Wiki-editors and might deter some trolls. [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 01:03, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::Sounds good to me too, and it sounds like it'll make everybody happy. Any objections to doing what the big ol' 'pedia does? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 07:19, 7 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::I don't think there's any way someone with the inexperience of under 25 main edits would be able to move a page for the better anyway. I say do it. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 11:59, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::I agree, but with one question: how did they set that up from within the software? I'll try to research this, but if anyone else can find some clear instructions it would be very helpful. I have no problem setting this up as soon as I know how. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:40, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::::::It's a hack in the backend code. I could set it up. Let me know.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:33, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::::I think it's worth it. If you know how to set it up, I say go for it. One caveat, though. If you set this up will your have to re-do it each time we upgrade? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:43, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

== When to list a WikiTroll ==

Hey, what's up? I just have a quick question. If users only do two acts of [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Halloween_Potion-ma-jig&diff=190757&oldid=190756 vandalism] and then [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=203.59.113.139 stay quiet], do we still put em up in the [[HRWiki:WikiTroll|WikiTroll]] page? My guess is no, cuz it's a one-time thingy majig so I didn't. But I wanna be sure. Thanks! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 09:24, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
:I'm not sure of the answer to this, so I moved your question here. If the answer isn't always ''yes'', then I guess it would depend on the severity of the vandalism and whether you think it will continue. I don't know how much of a complete record that page is supposed to be, if at all. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:23, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
::The WikiTroll page is not supposed to be a complete record, I don't think. The block log does a much better job. That's why you don't have to add someone to WikiTroll if you think they should be blocked. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 16:42, 4 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Well if you think they should be blocked, then yeah, add them to WikiTroll, and one of the sysops will take care of it. But as far as I know, sysops don't actually have to fill out WikiTroll, they can just block them and let the Block Log fill it's purpose. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 22:43, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

== Nothing better to do than to revert pages ==
It seems like NGS is having fun? An by that I mean [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Thorax_Corporation&diff=194462&oldid=193582 this] guy which is the first of a series of reverts from seemingly dissimilar IP addresses. Thus far only two addresses have had repeated entries, making it almost useless to add them to the WikiTroll page. Only one IP has been used often, but the supply seems endless. Are there any countermeasures to this? Does this guy actually have control of THAT MANY ip's (seems hard to beleive)? Are they being spoofed? And if so, is there a way to prevent/detect spoofed IP's (at the very least in editing)? So yeah i think this has been mentioned before... somewhere, but I don't know where that topic of conversation would be. Cheers! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:57, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

:I'm blocking everything in sight now. Protecting the page won't do anything, as they'd just move elsewhere. Everything is going really slow now too. All this action is slowing everything down. More than it should, really. I'm looking into it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 05:11, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah, there's a great deal of slowdown... They're really fast too. Or maybe that's just coz of the slowdown. I hope there's more we can do... The wiki's become a real vandal house in the last few days... Willy on Wheels, the WikiTikiTavi guy, the other spammer on [[Talk:Main Page]], and now this guy. Sheesh. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

:::Yeah slowdown seemed to me like it might've been some sort of DOS attack, but who knows. Glad to see the page is back in action! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:43, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

::::Okay, after blocking 43 IPs and consulting with some folks in #mediawiki, I decided to disable anon edits for a while.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:10, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::Roger. This is really getting ridiculous, but there doesn't seem to be much we can do that we aren't already, especially with these guys coming at us so fast. [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 06:16, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::Okay, anon edits are back. Let's hope I don't have to do that again.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 07:27, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Okay, so I just noticed that [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Today%27s_featured_article/November_10%2C_2005|Thursday's Wikipedia featured article]] was [[Wikipedia:Dogpatch USA|Dogpatch USA]]. Guess whose vandal script created that page ([[Dogpatch USA]]) on our Wiki earlier today?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:36, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::Stupid question... why didn't we just slap a <nowiki>{{vprotected}}</nowiki> on the page for a bit instead of blocking all anon edits? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 04:22, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::I thought that too, but Tom pointed out that the spammer would just move to some other page and do the same thing over again. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

Good to see the site back up. I was starting to have withdrawal symptoms ;). Anybody know why we were out for so long? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:29, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

:That is mentioned [[Talk:Main Page#What Happened?|here]]. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 04:31, 11 November 2005 (UTC)
::Ah! Thank you! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:33, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

== Log in to edit ==

How come you must log in to edit now? {{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 08:46, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
:That is a temporary countermeasure to the problem that led to the denial of service yesterday. All will be returned to normal soon. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 08:59, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
::Okay. I just thought it was wierd. {{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 09:02, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
:::I personally think you should always have to log in to edit. It's safer, and it's not like it's hard to log in or register. [[User:Ju Ju Master|Ju Ju Master]] 17:04, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
::::I know, but it's "not the Wiki way", apparently. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::Apparently, the Meta wiki argues that Wikipedia isn't the ''Wiki way'' either. We could go on about this, but the fact is that since annonymous edits have been banned, trolling levels have dropped to virtually nothing. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 22:42, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::You put up with the bad to get the good. I started my wiki life as an anonymous contributor, and remained so for several months. I'm not sure whether I would have jumped right in if I had had to register. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:55, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::Ditto. I loved my IP number to pieces. In fact, I wrote the bulk of the original [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Horrible_Painting&oldid=109819 Horrible Painting] article with my IP. I delighted in my original <s>anominity</s> <s>annonymousness</s> lack of a name and, in fact, steeled myself to not make a username 'til invited to do so. Which I was. And the rest is history. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::::::This is truly not the wiki way. By that I mean our wiki way. No matter how bad a troll gets, we don't just let an entire group of people be banned from editing. Like It's dot com, I also began as an annony. Sure, tons of my edits were reverted, but I ''loved'' the ability to edit a page freely. I know that trolling is annonying and, in some cases, destructive, but we can put up with it. Besides, trolls will just simply log in and troll. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 23:45, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::True true, but I don't think we really should spend to much time on this issue. As dot com said, we'll probably remove that ban in a few days. At least, I hope. Oh yeah, and excuse my non-sysop-ness. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 23:53, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::Hey, bubsty, you don't need to be a sysop to talk here and later apologize. I post messages here all of the time and I am not a sysop. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 23:56, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::I would prefer the limitation to be removed as soon as possible. (Right now maybe?) Do you really think those trolls are stalking here waiting for the ban to be lifted? Personally I think now that the threat's over, we should either lift the ban now or never. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:59, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, for those wondering what's taking so long to restore anonymous editing, we are making sure to block as many [[Template:BlockedProxy|proxies]] as we can to hopefully avoid this problem in the future, and that takes a while to get all the [[Ducks|ducks]] in a row. But, rest assured, we've got our top men working on it [[The System is Down|'round the clock]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:01, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

== Suggestions ==
Hi guys. First of all, you guys have been doing a superb job of fighting these vandals. It is sad that you have had to take such drastic measures. As a result I was thinking of suggesting some partial standing measures myself that would help prevent the vandalism yet allow legitimate new users to join our community. Forgive me if I'm just repeated things you've thought about yourself. Anyway here goes:
#Limit the number of new users per day. (To a reasonable number like 10-15). We don't get many new users, and this would prevent phantom accounts from being created. ''' ''New addition'' ''': we can also implement the "edit number thingy" (those pictures with numbers and letters that are skewed so that only real people can read them) in order to prevent bots from auto-registering.
#Limit the number of edits/day for a given ''new'' user (to say 15-30 or so, or stagger the limit 5 the first day, 10 the second, etc) that way we can get acclimated to the user's behavior and determine if it's suspicious. They cannot have their restrictions lifted until they have a reasonable number of decent, main page edits (i.e. they cannot just sit there and do nothing until their edit moratorium on per day edits ends).
#<s>(optional)Give a xx hour (12?) moratorium on new accounts before they can edit (except for their own page).</s>
#(brought from a discussion above)Implement the 25-edit min before moving pages.
I know this is not the "wiki way" but neither are vandalism and being forced to shut everything down. These can be relaxed as time goes on and the threat subsides. This would involve a lot of coding (??) but the code can be kept and reactivated if necessary. That is if there isn't code for that already. I have not mentioned anonymous edits -- for this to be effective, their restrictions would have to be even stricter than the new user restrictions on the first day. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:21, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
:I like 1, 2, and 4, but 3 doesn't seem all that great. You can delay them, but once they ''can'' edit, they'll do the exact same things trolls would've done even if you hadn't delayed them. (Did that make sense at all?) {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 17:30, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
::Yes, it makes perfect sense. I made it optional cuz i wasn't sure of its effectiveness. Note I have made an addendum too.--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:43, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
:::''Not good, F--''. Kidding. I don't like the idea. it would be much simpler to have you put in and email when registering AND click a confirmation link in the email sent to you. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:46, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
::::True, but even that can be easily automated. We could limit each email to one user account which would force an attacker to control dozens of emails. A sufficiently adept attacker may be able to do this. We would also limit the few (presumably young) users that do not have email accounts. I figure there should also be ''free'' PHP packages that would implement the funny text thingy too. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:55, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::That's what I meant. One email per username. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:06, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::Until we know for certain that the bot is gone, we will have to stop annony edits. Implementing the number idea is probably the best idea. Email confirmation is my worst enemy. My email blocker blocks anything that isn't from AOL, so I had to get someone to activate my account on the forum. No offense, hate the others. It seriously doesn't feel right at all. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 18:09, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::Unfortunately, without options 2 and 4, we're back to square one. (A person can register on behalf of a bot... a slightly more manageable problem but still unpleasant). --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:25, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::Yes, but it would take a long time for him to create as many users as a bot can. I suppose that in one day, that they can start with a set number, but 15-20 is to little. Try about 50. Perhaps they first need to edit their userpage first, than wait five or so minutes. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 18:30, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::''Edit conflict'' Not really... think about how quickly some of us can revert pages and and do other miscellaneous tasks. In just a matter of minutes we can deal with 10-20 pages. Now picture an attacker, determined enough to mess with our site (we saw him adapt his script to create user names), that would only need to look at a picture presented by the bot, and type in the correct number. He could potentially register dozens of users at once. Each bot in turn can modify dozens of pages if not more before being caught and banned. And yes, perhaps 15-20 might be too little, but 50 might be too much. The numbers I gave are rather arbitrary and were just guesses I came up with at the time. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:41, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::::::Setting up stopgaps in the registering system is a secondary concern. What is most important is the blocking of open proxies so we can open up our anonymous editing. I can tell you there are hundreds, perhaps thousands, of proxies we still have not blocked. Any possible way to get this bot to stop, either by proxy blocking or diplomacy, is what we are putting our efforts behind at this point. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 18:35, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::::How do you find the open proxies? Is there some sort of compendium available online? Is there any way we can help form the list? Although I hope diplomacy works, it is my personal opinion that the chances of success are minimal. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:44, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::::::::This is a bit off topic, but oh well. Now, I don't know anything about bots, but could we have one that reverts bad words or cleared pages? Like, have keywords of the curse words and stuff and make it revert to the last version. I don't now, maybe users can only do that.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 18:43, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Stux: Feel free to [[MetaWikipedia:Write your own MediaWiki extension|write your own MediaWiki extension]] to do your above suggestions.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:23, 13 November 2005 (UTC)
:Thanks for the link Tom! I'll see what I can do and I will keep you updated. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 23:04, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

== Missing/Inactive ==

I was thinking of creating a [[:Category:Notice Templates|notice template]] for [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Missing Wikipedians|missing and/or inactive users]]. It might be useful in several ways, such as to post at the top of talk pages or user pages. It could also have its own Missing Users category.
<pre>{| style="border: 1px solid #C0C090; background-color: #F8EABA; margin-bottom: 3px; width: 85%;
border-spacing: 3px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto"
|-
|[[Image:Exclamation Mark.png|48px|Notice]]
| This user, '''{{PAGENAME}}''', has been missing or inactive since ''{{{1}}}''
due to not having [[Special:Contributions/{{PAGENAME}}|made an edit]]
for a minimum of six months. [[{{NAMESPACE}} talk:{{PAGENAME}}|Contacting]]
of '''{{PAGENAME}}''' through HRWiki is discouraged due to possible lack of response.
|}</pre>

{| style="border: 1px solid #C0C090; background-color: #F8EABA; margin-bottom: 3px; width: 85%;border-spacing: 3px; margin-left: auto; margin-right: auto"
|-
|[[Image:Exclamation Mark.png|48px|Notice]]
| This user, '''{{PAGENAME}}''', has been missing or inactive since ''{{{1}}}'' due to not having [[Special:Contributions/{{PAGENAME}}|made an edit]] for a minimum of six months. [[{{NAMESPACE}} talk:{{PAGENAME}}|Contacting]] of '''{{PAGENAME}}''' through HRWiki is discouraged due to possible lack of response.
|}

What do you guys think? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 04:09, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

:I don't see a reason to bother people. If they've left, they've left. Let them leave. They don't want to be bothered.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 05:34, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

::I agree with Tom. Besides, inactive users probably wouldn't be contacted about anything important anyways, for lack of presence on the Wiki. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:50, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

:::It seems like kind of an "idiot warning" (what my mom calls the car's announcements that it's running low on fuel, etc.). Anybody who really wants to can examine their contributions. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 06:06, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

::::The template looks like the user did something wrong, especially with the exclamation mark. If a user leaves, he/she can leave a message on their userspace themselves if they wish. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 06:43, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

==Namespace/Interwiki list==
I've made a [[User:Phlip/Namespaces|page]], which is intended to be moved to [[Help:Namespaces]] when it's done (with [[Help:Interwiki]] as a redirect perhaps). Mostly so it can be linked to from [[HRWiki:Glossary#N]] and maybe also [[Help:Link]]. But before I call it "ready" I just want to know:
#Are there any objections to this page?
#Have I missed any interwiki links? I got all of the namespaces, according to [[Special:Allpages]] but there doesn't seem to be a list of the interwiki links anywhere (which is half the reason for the page).
Of course, as always, if you see anything, change it. Your thoughts? {{User:Phlip/sig}} 06:17, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
:Looks good to me, Phlip, and if something was missed, you know someone will spot it and fix it. :) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:20, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
:Personally, I love it! I was looking for the Fanstuff interwiki link the other day and couldn't find it. I ended up putting the full URL. (In fact... why don't I change them back now!) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 06:23, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
::OK, it's been moved. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 06:26, 15 November 2005 (UTC)

Template talk:done

2005-11-14T08:27:13Z

Rob: /* This should stay */

== This should stay ==

I don't agree with the deletion of this template. "Tick" isn't semantic. I know that won't make sense to many of you. What if in the future the check mark is turned into a thumbs-up or something? I realize it's unlikely, but in that event the word "tick" wouldn't make sense anymore, but the word "done" would still be relevant. If anyone has coded in XHTML or CSS you know the importance of semantics. The XHTML spec has <code>em</code> instead of <code>i</code> because some people want to "emphasize" their stuff with something other than "italics". Am I making any sense here? My point is that "done" is semantic while "tick" is not. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 19:39, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

:I don't think it realy metter, but if you and everyone else want to keep this, then we should get rid of tick. The point is that there shouldn't be two things that are the practically the same. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:44, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

::Maybe we could come up with a better name than "done". I can think of several instances where I would want to "tick" things off (no pun intended), like in a list, but those things aren't necessarily "done". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:01, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

:::If I had to choose between the two, I guess I like the name "done" better. Oh, and it's interesting to note that things like book titles are italicized and not emphasized.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:05, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

::::No, things like book titles are cited (with an XHTML <code>cite</code> tag), and depending on the accepted standard in your neck of the woods, that could mean the title is italicized, underlined, or simply put in quotes. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:13, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

::I think the problem with naming it for its use, rather than what it is, is that it has several uses. If we have to have just one, how about <nowiki>{{check}}</nowiki>? It describes the mark, and also conveys a sense of accomplishment. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:10, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

:::I agree with once-and-only-once, but this has gone on for several months without complaint. I don't understand why all of a sudden it's a big deal. At any rate, if enough people really want this deleted, I don't mind switching to the more widely adopted standard of "tick" even though I think "done" is more semantically appropriate. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:13, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
::::I personally see no problem with having both "tick" and "done". I completely agree with JoeyDay's initial comment and possible scenario. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:31, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::Unless and until someone else has a problem with this template, I'm removing the TBD tags. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:35, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

:I don't think it really matters, I don't think it's a big deal that the definition of "tick" might change, but I think we should have one or the other. I would prefer "tick" (that's what most people I know call it), but, I think it's called a "check mark" in USA (am I right?), so, maybe it's better to have "done", which means "done" in any English-speaking part of the world. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 06:09, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

::Both of these templates are actively being used. They mean different things semantically. There's no good reason to force users of one to switch to the other one. The fact that they look the same is immaterial. To insist on having one or the other is pedantic. I'm not suggesting that we go crazy with duplicate templates, but we are flexible enough in this case to have both. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:22, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

:::I kinda agree with you, but, we really don't have any reason to have both. I'm sure the users using the other template won't mind using this one, and it's not many pages to change if we want to use the new one. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 08:27, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Template talk:done

2005-11-14T06:09:33Z

Rob: /* This shouldn't be deleted */

== This shouldn't be deleted ==

I don't agree with the deletion of this template. "Tick" isn't semantic. I know that won't make sense to many of you. What if in the future the check mark is turned into a thumbs-up or something? I realize it's unlikely, but in that event the word "tick" wouldn't make sense anymore, but the word "done" would still be relevant. If anyone has coded in XHTML or CSS you know the importance of semantics. The XHTML spec has <code>em</code> instead of <code>i</code> because some people want to "emphasize" their stuff with something other than "italics". Am I making any sense here? My point is that "done" is semantic while "tick" is not. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 19:39, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

:I don't think it realy metter, but if you and everyone else want to keep this, then we should get rid of tick. The point is that there shouldn't be two things that are the practically the same. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:44, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

::Maybe we could come up with a better name than "done". I can think of several instances where I would want to "tick" things off (no pun intended), like in a list, but those things aren't necessarily "done". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:01, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

:::If I had to choose between the two, I guess I like the name "done" better. Oh, and it's interesting to note that things like book titles are italicized and not emphasized.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:05, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

::::No, things like book titles are cited (with an XHTML <code>cite</code> tag), and depending on the accepted standard in your neck of the woods, that could mean the title is italicized, underlined, or simply put in quotes. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:13, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

::I think the problem with naming it for its use, rather than what it is, is that it has several uses. If we have to have just one, how about <nowiki>{{check}}</nowiki>? It describes the mark, and also conveys a sense of accomplishment. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:10, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

:::I agree with once-and-only-once, but this has gone on for several months without complaint. I don't understand why all of a sudden it's a big deal. At any rate, if enough people really want this deleted, I don't mind switching to the more widely adopted standard of "tick" even though I think "done" is more semantically appropriate. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:13, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
::::I personally see no problem with having both "tick" and "done". I completely agree with JoeyDay's initial comment and possible scenario. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:31, 12 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::Unless and until someone else has a problem with this template, I'm removing the TBD tags. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:35, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

:I don't think it really matters, I don't think it's a big deal that the definition of "tick" might change, but I think we should have one or the other. I would prefer "tick" (that's what most people I know call it), but, I think it's called a "check mark" in USA (am I right?), so, maybe it's better to have "done", which means "done" in any English-speaking part of the world. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 06:09, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Youthful Characters Other Costumes

2005-11-11T23:17:58Z

Rob: Revert

The different [[Other Costumes|costumes]] of [[Lil' Strong Bad]] and other characters of that era.
{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! Image !! Character !! Costume !! Seen in
|-
|[[Image:littlestrongbadandstrongsadpicture.png|150px]] || [[Lil' Strong Bad]] [[Little Strong Sad]] || Blue and red shirt & and the [[Wikipedia:Charlie Brown|Charlie Brown]] T-shirt || [[The Secrets That I Keep]]
|-
|[[Image:littlestrongbadautumnclothes.png|150px]] || [[Lil' Strong Bad]] || Autumn/Fall clothes || [[The Secrets That I Keep]]
|-
|[[Image:littlestrongsadautumnclothes.png|150px]] || [[Little Strong Sad]] || Autumn/Fall clothes || [[The Secrets That I Keep]]
|-
|[[Image:littlestrongbadstandup.png|150px]] || [[Lil' Strong Bad]] || Tuxedo shirt and khaki pants || [[stand-up]]
|-
|[[Image:littlestrongbadrockcity.png|150px]] || [[Lil' Strong Bad]] || "See [[Wikipedia:Rock City|Rock City]]" T-shirt || [[couch patch]]
|-
|[[Image:littlestrongbadtruckshirt.png|150px]] || [[Lil' Strong Bad]] || Truck shirt || [[origins]]
|-
|[[Image:Smelly Coach Z.PNG|150px]] || Youthful [[Coach Z]] || Filthy || [[record book]]
|-
|[[Image:littlestrongbaddirtiestdiapey.png|150px]] || [[Lil' Strong Bad]] || Dirtiest Diaper || [[record book]]
|}
[[Category:Other Costumes]]

Teen Girl Squad Issue 3

2005-11-11T23:05:20Z

Rob: Revert

[[Image:tgs3.PNG|thumb|Cheerleader's new fashion!]]

The crew gets ready for some summer fashions and WHAT'S HER FACE gets possum'd.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Cheerleader}}, {{Film|So and So}}, {{Film|What's Her Face}}, {{Film|The Ugly One}}, [[The Birds]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Thrift Store Girl|Thrift Store Girl]], {{Film|Arrow'd Guy}}, [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Possums|Possums]]

'''Date:''' May 12, 2003

'''Running Time:''' 1:37

'''Page Title:''' TGS Numba 3

== Transcript ==
'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' Teen Girl Squad! CHEERLEADER ''(boy crazy!)''! SO AND SO ''(math crazy!)''! WHAT'S HER FACE ''(whatev!)''! THE UGLY ONE ''(actually crazy!)''!

''{Open at the standard TGS Field}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Listen gals, if we want to look

'''ALL:''' So goo-

'''CHEERLEADER:''' We've got to go get some SUMMER FASHIONS!

'''SO AND SO:''' I am SO there.

'''CHEERLEADER:''' We three can go to the mall.

''{SO AND SO and THE UGLY ONE smile and join hands.}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' ''{not in a speech bubble}'' What's Her Face, ''{in a speech bubble}'' you can go to a thrift store. ''{WHAT'S HER FACE frowns.}'' Or junkyard.

''{CHEERLEADER, SO AND SO, and THE UGLY ONE walk to the right, while WHAT'S HER FACE dejectedly walks to the left. The sun turns into a buzzsaw and kills some birds.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' ''{imitating the buzzsaw}'' Brrrow!

''{Cut to the mall}''

'''SO AND SO:''' Before we shop, how about some PAN-ASIAN CUISINE?

''{THE UGLY ONE and SO AND SO stand at a Chinese Food Buffet booth that says "3 spring rolls". ARROW'D GUY is behind the counter.}''

'''THE UGLY ONE:''' Three spring rolls, please.

''{ARROW'D GUY throws 3 spring rolls at THE UGLY ONE.}''

'''ARROW'D GUY:''' MSG'd!

'''THE UGLY ONE:''' Ow! My stomach lining!

''{Cut to CHEERLEADER and SO AND SO standing over THE UGLY ONE's body.}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' We'll worry about that one later.

''{Cut to a picture of ARROW'D GUY. The man has a sign in his mouth that reads "MEANWHILE, AT THE THRIFT STORE". Cut to the thrift store where WHAT'S HER FACE is browsing through clothes racks. A nearby girl holds a sign that says "1 or 2 cent each item".}''

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' These clothes smell like grandmas.

''{Cut back to the mall. SO AND SO is trying on a new outfit. The attached price tag reads "$500".}''

'''SO AND SO:''' Ready gals? This outfit-so good or no good?

'''CHEERLEADER and THE UGLY ONE:''' SO GOOD!

''{Slight pause.}''

'''THE UGLY ONE:''' My stomach feels better!

''{Cut away to CHEERLEADER wearing an elephant head.}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' I'm going for a whole new style!

'''SO AND SO and THE UGLY ONE:''' NO GOOD!

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Well, I think it's hella tight. And you guys need boyfriends.

'''SO AND SO and THE UGLY ONE:''' ''{dejected}'' That's true.

''{Cut to WHAT'S HER FACE walking home from the thrift store.}''

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' I'm walkin home from the thrift store.

''{A wave of possoms approaches.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' Poooosssssummmmms...!

''{Cut back to the outside of the mall. CHEERLEADER is still wearing her elephant head, SO AND SO is wearing her new outfit (price tag still attached). Each girl has a bag of stuff in front of them.}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' ''{speech bubble only}'' My card is totally max0rzed! ''{voice only}'' My card is totally maxed!

'''THE UGLY ONE:''' True dat.

'''SO AND SO:''' True that.

''{WHAT'S HER FACE enters from the left. Her clothes are torn and she is bleeding in various places.}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Whats your problem?

'''WHAT'S HER FACE ''(happily)'':''' I met a possum.

'''SO AND SO:''' Good for you. Now let's attract some CUTE BOYS! Ready?

''{The TEEN GIRL SQUAD poses.}''

'''ALL EXCEPT WHAT'S HER FACE:''' POSE!

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' My blood hurts.

''{Cut to the "IT'S OVER!" end card, but instead of the standard "IT'S OVER", a little ditty plays, and NARRATOR STRONG BAD sings along.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD ''(singing)'':''' Teen Girl Squad! They're-teenage-girls-between-the-ages-of-thirteen-and-nineteen!

== Fun Facts ==

=== Explanations ===
*MSG stands for [[Wikipedia:Monosodium glutamate|monosodium glutamate]], a flavor enhancer commonly added to soups, canned vegetables, processed meats, and Asian cuisine. According to the Food and Drug Administration, MSG has a limited number of symptoms, usually among people who may eat a large dose (greater than 3 grams) on an empty stomach and people who have severe asthma. The short-term reactions known as MSG Symptom Complex can involve numbness, tingling, burning sensation, chest pain, headache, rapid heartbeat, nausea, weakness, and drowsiness. MSG and other glutamates usually affect only the nervous system, and claims of deteriorating stomach lining due to MSG consumption are unsubstantiated.
* Max0rzed is a reference to the "[[Wikipedia:Leet|1337]]" language. The -0rz- is never pronounced.

=== Trivia ===
* Before moved to features, when this toon was still in the shorts section, the synopsis read "Shopping and marsupials. Need anything else?"

== External Links ==
*[[HR:tgs3.html|watch "Teen Girl Squad Issue 3"]]
*[[HR:tgs3.swf|View the Flash file for "Teen Girl Squad Issue 3"]]

{{Teen Girl Squad}}

[[Category:Teen Girl Squad]]

Interviews and Public Appearances

2005-11-11T23:05:00Z

Rob: Revert

:''"Interviews" redirects here. For the [[Strong Bad Email]], see [[interview]]. For the short, see [[The Interview]].''

[[Image:BBinterview.JPG|thumb|[[The Brothers Chaps]] being interviewed at Dragon Con 2005]] Besides heaps of publicity through word of mouth, [[The Brothers Chaps]] also promote [[Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)|Homestar Runner.com]] through interviews on TV and radio, and through presentations hosted by themselves. These are some of them.

==Interviews==
===Television===

*[[Screen Savers Interview - 24 Jan 2005]]
*Pulse - Early 2004 (Video Missing)
*[[Pulse Interview - 1 Aug 2003]]

===Radio===

*[[All Things Considered Interview - 8 May 2005]]
*[[Wired News Radio Interview - 23 June 2003]]
*[[UMFM Interview - 20 May 2003]]
*[[R!OT Radio Interview 2]] - March 2003
*[[R!OT Radio Interview 1]] - Late 2002

===Magazines and Newspapers===

*[[Giant Magazine Interview]] — Early 2005
*[[Daily Eastern News Interview - 23 April 2004]]
*[[Atlanta Journal Constitution Interview - 21 Jul 2003]]
*[[The Brunswickan Interview - 4 Apr 2003]]
*[[Wonkavision Magazine Interview]] — Spring 2003

===Internet===
*[[Bobby Blackwolf Interview - 5 Sep 2005]]
*[[Adventure Gamers Interview]] — Late August 2004
*[[Inkhole Interview]] — July 2004
*[[Club Aquatica Interview - 29 Oct 2003]]
*[[Run Devil Run Interview]] — Summer/Fall 2003
*[[Tastes Like Chicken Interview]] — June 2003
*[[Penguin Brothers Interview - 26 May 2003]]
*[[retroCRUSH Interview]] — Late 2001
*[[l33t Interview]] — Early 2001

==Public Appearances==
*[[Paste Rock 'n Reel Festival - 22 October 2005]]
*[[Alamo Drafthouse - 10 Jun 2005]]
*[[SXSW Panel - 14 Mar 2005]]
*[[NYU Talk - 1 Mar 2005]]
*[[TMBG Concert - 25 Sep 2004]]
*[[FSU Talk - 7 Nov 2003]]

[[Category:Interviews and Public Appearances|*]]

Inkhole Interview (censored)

2005-11-11T23:04:44Z

Rob: Revert

{{censored|Inkhole Interview}}
==Transcript==
The internet used to be a pretty uneventful place. A guy who dressed up in Peter Pan costumes gave viewers a half chuckle before thinking, “I wonder if that CBS sitcom with the laugh track is new tonight.” And let’s not forget the dancing .GIF baby that caused the world to collectively smash their computers and go back to handwritten letters. Fortunately, Mike and Matt Chapman (aka [[The Brothers Chaps]]) stepped into the web ring and declared, “Let’s try to not be crappy.” Their animated site, Homestar Runner, has proven to be one of the internet’s shining pit stops since its debut in 2001. The site’s popularity continues to grow as millions of adults (perhaps while they should be working) and kids (perhaps while they should be mowing my lawn) flock to the site daily for a weird and wacky dose of an armless simpleton, [[Homestar Runner]], and his shirtless antagonist, [[Strong Bad]]. Consistently funny, fresh, and (f)entertaining, the Brothers Chaps are here to stay, simply by showing us what amuses them. I caught up with half of the duo, [[Matt Chapman]], at a bar for some insight into their whirlwind fame. Matt drank cola. I had sweet tea with lemon in it.

'''INKHOLE:''' What did you order?

'''MATT:''' Onion straws.

'''INKHOLE:''' And they’re actually like straws?

'''MATT:''' Sort of. They’re not rings. They’re fried onions, but not in ring shape, so… Dismantled Awesome Blossoms.

'''INKHOLE:''' Alright, are you ready?

'''MATT:''' Yeah.

'''INKHOLE:''' This is my first time.

'''MATT:''' Mine, too.

'''INKHOLE:''' Okay. Your name is?

'''MATT:''' Matt Chapman.

'''INKHOLE:''' And you are?

'''MATT:''' Uh, feeling pretty good.

'''INKHOLE:''' Good. You do a site called Homestar Runner.

'''MATT:''' That’s true.

'''INKHOLE:''' And what do you do there?

'''MATT:''' I do a voice and I draw.

'''INKHOLE:''' I haven’t actually seen the site, but someone told me it’s pretty good.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, I hope so.

'''INKHOLE:''' Can you give me the gist of it?

'''MATT:''' A bunch of crazy animal characters run around and make fun of each other.

'''INKHOLE:''' Like squirrels?

'''MATT:''' Ah, no. Not so much squirrels.

'''INKHOLE:''' It probably makes the kids pretty happy, I bet.

'''MATT:''' I hope so. It makes them buy hooded sweatshirts sometimes.

'''INKHOLE:''' Those jerks. Do you do push ups?

'''MATT:''' Not regularly. I’ve done them.

'''INKHOLE:''' How many push ups do you think you can do in one sitting?

'''MATT:''' Uh, I don’t know. A couple hundred maybe.

'''INKHOLE:''' Really?

'''MATT:''' I don’t know. Drop down and give me twenty is standard, right? Seems like twenty is easy. Definitely a hundred.

'''INKHOLE:''' Honestly, I could probably do eighteen before stopping.

'''MATT:''' That’s not true. You could do more than eighteen. Push ups, right? Not pull ups.

'''INKHOLE:''' Right. I dare you to give me twenty push ups.

'''MATT:''' Right now? (gets on the bar floor and proceeds to do push ups)

'''INKHOLE:''' Okay. One, two… How many is that?

'''MATT:''' Sixteen… Eighteen… That’s twenty. (stands up and sits at table) On second thought, I think I could do maybe forty or fifty at the most. The very most.

'''INKHOLE:''' My turn. (gets on the bar floor and proceeds to do push ups) Nine. So pathetic.

'''MATT:''' That was great, though.

'''INKHOLE:''' I’ve been working on a website at work and my boss says to me, “Hey, I’ve got this magazine. Maybe it’ll help you do the website.” He gives me How Magazine and I’m looking through it. This is, like, two years ago and there’s an interview with you and Mike in there. I was like, “What the hell is this?”

'''MATT:''' Yeah, that was very cool, because it’s neat whenever we hear from designing people. It’s awesome to hear from anybody, but it’s validating to hear from the hipster design-y super artsy people. It’s cool.

'''INKHOLE:''' That wasn’t a question. I was just telling you what I saw.

'''MATT:''' I know. I was just telling you.

'''INKHOLE:''' Thanks for answering my non-question.

'''MATT:''' (laughs) Sorry.

'''INKHOLE:''' Anyway, my point is that there are a lot of Homestar interviews out there. You probably get the same questions all the time.

'''MATT:''' It’s pretty standard. They ask us how it started and this and that.

'''INKHOLE:''' Is there anything people have never asked you, but you’ve always wanted to talk about?

'''MATT:''' I don’t know. I guess I like telling stories about how I made salt and cheese sandwiches when I was a kid, and I threw up. And then slid in my own puke.

'''INKHOLE:''' You really did that?

'''MATT:''' Yeah. I was, like, seven or something. But that’s the sort of thing where if they ask, “Oh, did you ever get into any mischief as a kid?” I’d be like, Oh, great great. I get to tell them the salt and cheese story. So maybe that’s one. Occasionally people will ask, “Do you and your brother fight?” And we just say, “No.” They don’t really go into that enough. There’s some good Mike and Matt childhood stories. Nobody really asks us about being kids so much. I think that’s more interesting than anything you could ask about my adult life.

'''INKHOLE:''' He probably beat the **** out of you all the time.

'''MATT:''' There’s a good one where I accidentally clocked him in the eye. It was full on. He was on top of me, choking me or something. And I’ve never really punched him in the face, and I just reared back. Gzshhhh. I sort of stunned him, because I think he never believed I’d actually do that, and at the same time, I had totally cold cocked him. I mean, I remember I stunned him just long enough that I ran out the front door and kept running halfway through the neighborhood. I never looked back. I was terrified he would be there.

'''INKHOLE:''' How old were you?

'''MATT:''' I was probably ten or twelve and he’s three years older than me. So he would have been fifteen or something. I remember thinking that I’d have to lay low for a while and let things cool off, because Mike’s gonna beat the **** out of me whenever I go home.

'''INKHOLE:''' Has anyone ever asked you something completely inappropriate during an interview?

'''MATT:''' Um. No. Would you like to?

'''INKHOLE:''' No. I was wondering if anyone caught you off guard and asked something, like, when you lost your virginity.

'''MATT:''' Yeah. I’ve never been asked that.

'''INKHOLE:''' So when did you?

'''MATT:''' Oh. Uh, like a couple weeks ago.

'''INKHOLE:''' [laughs] So the site, which is what we’re here to talk about. The site is Homestar Runner, but obviously Strong Bad became the focus.

'''MATT:''' He became the most popular. Yeah. He became the thing we updated constantly with any regularity.

'''INKHOLE:''' Do you have any plans for a spin off site, or perhaps another site unrelated to Homestar?

'''MATT:''' We have ideas. Nothing that we’d be ready to go with. As far as spin off, we’ve got ideas.

'''INKHOLE:''' I could picture something like Teen Girl Squad. It’s voiced by Strong Bad, but other than that, it’s unrelated.

'''MATT:''' That could have its own. Right. You could do that and not have anything to do with Homestar Runner. Same with the new Cheat Commandos. It has nothing to do with Homestar. It looks like the Cheat, but it’s not his normal personality. That could make its own weird thing.

'''INKHOLE:''' Are there many outtakes that exist?

'''MATT:''' There’s outtakes. We rarely will get through an entire scene and say, “Let’s not do that.” We’ll write stuff. We’ll record voices. We did one where we recorded it all and then I went out of town, so Mike ended up doing the bulk of the animation. I guess when we were recording it, it was hard to tell, but Mike starts animating it and says, “This is going to be an eight minute Strong Bad email. That’s inexcusable.” And so he cut out scenes. It’s not like on The Simpsons and there’s outtakes cut because of censors or whatever. For the most part, our outtakes are just recorded audio. Usually if there is something like that, we’ll put it up later as a Quote of the Day thing or fit it into another cartoon. The jokes on the site can pretty much be in any configuration. You can take a joke from one cartoon and put it into any other, pretty much.

'''INKHOLE:''' So you record the audio first and animate to that. Do you sometimes animate and then do voice over?

'''MATT:''' No. It’s much easier to do the audio first and then listen to it frame by frame and animate it.

'''INKHOLE:''' What are your favorite moments on the site?

'''MATT:''' It changes all the time. The Cheat made a cartoon recently and there’s a part where Strong Bad and The Cheat give each other high fives in space. And then an alien floats up. (laughs) And then when it leaves, the alien gets all sad and it plays this generic 80’s space noise. And he turns old. That cracked me up to no end. I could watch Nebulon crying and moping away forever. Mike just did that. That’s something you wouldn’t see in a script or whatever we wrote for it. That’s definitely up there. What else? It’s all the **** Mike does. There’s one where The Cheat guest animates a Strong Bad email. Oh! It’s when Strong Bad is cartwheeling and he cartwheels over a bunch of buses. And then Bubs pops up and it’s Mike doing a terrible Bubs impression. He’s like, “Hey Strong Bad. You jumped over some of my buses.” He sounds kind of like Fat Albert. It was the sound of Bubs if he weighed eight hundred pounds. That was great. So pretty much any of Mike’s stuff cracks me up.

'''INKHOLE:''' Do you two write actual scripts?

'''MATT:''' We write stuff out, but it’s ideas more. Sometimes we will write dialogue if there is one particular thing we don’t want to forget. When I’m recording it, we’ll usually deviate in some way. I was watching this one early Strong Bad email from back in the day, and the entire email was one .WAV file, one piece of audio with no stops and no editing. Obviously we changed. The format has evolved and gotten more complex as we go on. We turned [Strong Bad emails] into mini-cartoons, whereas before it was much more of an advice column. It’s pretty funny to watch those where we’d have no script and Mike would be like, “Here, pick an email,” and I’d just sit down and record it.

'''INKHOLE:''' That raises another question. How many emails does Strong Bad get a day?

'''MATT:''' We get between two and five thousand a day. Because of the web server people that we use, we had to start keeping only three days at a time, and then it just dumps them. There’s a lot of spam on there obviously, too. There was definitely a peak maybe last summer where there was eight thousand a day, which was ridiculous. We usually look through a hundred at a time and just try to find something that strikes us. It’s funny, though, because occasionally we want to make a Strong Bad email about this, and we’ll just do a search on our email program for that. We’ll just be like, “****! We’ve got this great idea for a Strong Bad email. Look up one about ghosts.” And of course, there’s ten emails about ghosts. We get emails from people that say, “How can I get my Strong Bad email picked?” It’s totally luck of the draw. But even in that case, if you wrote about Dangeresque, there’s a hundred other people that address it, too, and we’re still going to pick at random. It’s everyday hilarious and ridiculous to think that that many people are emailing this cartoon character.

'''INKHOLE:''' If you’re finding an email at random, what catches your interest? Do you go by the subject line?

'''MATT:''' No. We actually will read the emails. Occasionally if a subject line seems funny, we’ll read that one because of the subject line. But for the most part we just arbitrarily go through and we’ll read a set of twenty, then scroll down and read another twenty. It’s just sort of in your brain. You read it in Strong Bad’s voice, and if he starts talking after it, then it’s the email we’ll pick. We have a “good ones” folder. It doesn’t necessarily mean we’re going to do that email, but it seems like it could go somewhere. We try to keep it pretty recent where we pick one written within the past three days or whatever, so that dude’s going to see his email up there, which we want. We do still have emails from years ago, but those people probably don’t even like us anymore and are never going to see it, so…

'''INKHOLE:''' How far in advance do you work? If we see a Strong Bad email this week, how long ago was it created?

'''MATT:''' If you see one this week, we’re going to do it tomorrow. [laughs]

'''INKHOLE:''' So you work week to week?

'''MATT:''' We try. Definitely.

'''INKHOLE:''' You don’t stockpile.

'''MATT:''' No, no, no. We’ve never been able to get any kind of backlog going. We try and start looking on Tuesday for an email, and then hopefully have it written and recorded by Thursday or Friday so then we’re just animating all weekend. Fifty percent of the time we do that. The other fifty percent, we just pull an all-nighter and put it up Monday afternoon or something.

'''INKHOLE:''' How much drinking goes on when you’re making the website?

'''MATT:''' Not as much as it used to. We used get a six pack of High Life and that was how we did the emails and stuff. But we’ve got an office space now that we go to.

'''INKHOLE:''' I thought you worked out of home.

'''MATT:''' We did for a long time. Now we’re in an office. There’s no windows, so it’s good to lock ourselves in when there’s twelve hours of animation to do. We just go in there and don’t leave. That’s a good point; we need more alcohol. When we were working from the apartment, we’d always have the TV on. We’d be watching Match Game or the old Batman TV show or Saved By The Bell. We’d also have a couple of beers and we’d be in the same room. It was easy to come up with stuff. There’s no stimulus or stimuli in the office, which is unfortunate.

'''INKHOLE:''' I’m going to stop a second and eat some onion straws.

'''MATT:''' I just had a couple.

'''INKHOLE:''' These are good.

'''MATT:''' It’s good batter.

'''Inkhole:''' On a scale of one to two, how often do you get recognized on the street?

'''MATT:''' Zero. The first time ever that I was recognized by sight was last weekend. I was in the Mexican restaurant right there. [points across the street] Lucky Yates (a local theater talk show host) had me and Mike come on his show, and this guy happened to be at that show. This is really weird, because like I’m saying, this is the first time it’s ever happened to me. I go and sit down to eat and this guy just walks up and holds his phone up to me, and it’s got a little Homestar Runner wallpaper on it. He was like, “I love what you do,” and went and sat down. He didn’t really say anything, and I just started eating. It wasn’t until after I got done eating that he came back over. Other than that, unless you live in Atlanta and have seen us, then there’s no reason to recognize us.

'''INKHOLE:''' That’s good, though. I think.

'''MATT:''' Oh, definitely. The few times we’ve talked to fans in person, it’s cool because we usually just get emails and we don’t get to meet a lot of people. But at the same time, it’s weird, too.

'''INKHOLE:''' You’re giving back to the community.

'''MATT:''' Right. Exactly. We were going to do a thing with Mike and the Homestar puppet. Mike is the perfect straight man to the Homestar puppet, but he doesn’t want to be on the site, because he doesn’t want to be recognized. I don’t know. Not that he assumes that would happen, but he doesn’t even want to take that chance because he’s really weird about that sort of stuff. Mike and the Homestar puppet just hanging out is the funniest **** ever. It’s great. Mike’s amazing. I think we’ve been able to remain fairly anonymous. I did get woken up at eight o’clock in the morning. Some guy found my cell phone number somehow. He makes pillow cases and wanted to make Homestar pillow cases or something. I was just like, “It’s eight in the morning and my wife is trying to sleep.” I tried to lay it on as thick as possible and make him feel guilty. It’s funny because he got my number, and this is impossible, from the alumni association. I thought back, and I never gave them my current cell phone number. I go, “Well they’re not getting any of my money.” He was like, “No! I don’t want any of your money. I’m not like that.” I was like, “No, no, no. The alumni association is not getting any money.” He was like “Ha, ha yeah,” and then went back into his pitch. I was like, “No, no, no. I’m going back to bed.” It just seems to me that even if he was just a business man and had a business proposition, what businesses open at 8 a.m.?

'''INKHOLE:''' Maybe he was in England.

'''MATT:''' [laughs] I keep going on tangents.

'''INKHOLE:''' No you don’t. This is good stuff. Let’s never leave.

'''MATT:''' Let’s do more push ups.

'''INKHOLE:''' Have you been hounded by TV people?

'''MATT:''' Not hounded. We’ve had lots of offers.

'''INKHOLE:''' You’re not interested?

'''MATT:''' It’s not for what we’re doing. Like you said, if one day we decide that Teen Girl Squad would make its own funny little short, then we’d do that. But right now, the fact that we do this for a living is insane. I’d just like to ride this out as long as possible. And at the end, if it’s falling apart, I still wouldn’t be like, “Okay, let’s sell it to Nickelodeon.” We probably would never do Homestar Runner in that respect. We talk to a lot of people that would potentially be good to work with, but it’s just not for us. Hopefully if we’re doing something else, those people will like that, too, and we’ll get in touch with them then. I know people are probably like, “You’re stupid. You should do it. It’s a huge opportunity.” But for us, like I keep saying, the problem is that if I was doing nothing and still working at Earthlink, yes, okay, that would make sense. But we’re making a living making a stupid cartoon website, which is ridiculous. I don’t want to rock the boat.

'''INKHOLE:''' I think you definitely have longevity. It’s not the kind of site people get tired of. Because, you know what, it’s in such small doses.

'''MATT:''' I would think not being on TV would help that. We’re not ramming it down people’s throats. There’s still millions of people that could find our website for the first time every day.

'''INKHOLE:''' So Univision and Telemundo haven’t contact you?

'''MATT:''' No, but that’s the kind of thing we’re waiting for.

'''INKHOLE:''' Have you ever thought about translating your site into other languages?

'''MATT:''' Our friend, Rusty, taught in Korea for a year and said that when Americans acknowledge Koreans in any way shape or form, they go nuts. He said, “If you started putting Korean subtitles on your cartoons, you’d be the most popular website in Korea within a week.” And so we seriously thought about it. It’s just the sort of thing that would take a long time. We still want to do it. We just never got around to doing it. I have cousins that are Argentine, and we want to do a Strong Bad email entirely in Spanish. Just one week put it up. No English. No subtitles. We’d still like to do that. I think we might do one of the main homepages that’s all in Spanish. We have considered it. I think it has unlimited potential.

'''INKHOLE:''' Take me through a typical day. You wake up. Eat Raisin Bran, I don’t know. What goes on?

'''MATT:''' Lately it’s been good. Like I said, we haven’t been working in the office as much. I wake up between nine and ten, walk over to Mike’s [house], and Mike has been making breakfast. It’s been great. So I get over there and Mike’s got, like, eggs and bacon and coffee ready. So I have a little of that. Check email for a while, you know, whatever. Then we would look for a Strong Bad email. Let’s say we find one. We start writing it. We’ll go for a walk or go out in the back and play with his dog and talk over stuff until something starts getting funny. Then independently, we’ll each write the same thing. We both write it and it’s always an amalgamation of the two things. Once we’ve got it pretty much written, I’ll go in and record voices at the office, and Mike will start making whatever new graphics we need. Once we’re done recording, we split up the scenes. I’ll start at the beginning and Mike will start at the end and we work toward the middle.

'''INKHOLE:''' Wow.

'''MATT:''' We’d love it if we could get efficient enough to where we, like, had a stockpile of Strong Bad emails done. We could take a couple of weeks off to do something else. But so far, we haven’t gotten to that level.

'''INKHOLE:''' What does happen when you go on vacation? Do you make sure not to take vacations at the same time?

'''MATT:''' So far that’s been the way we’ve done it. When Mike goes out of town, it’s easier, obviously, because I do all of the voices. Whereas when I go out of town, I’ve got to make sure any voices that we’re going to do are recorded before I leave. We could always use Mike’s wife, who is the voice of Marzipan, and make a Marzipan solo cartoon. That would be pretty hilarious.

'''INKHOLE:''' Is Mike not interested in doing voices?

'''MATT:''' He’s the voice whenever The Cheat makes a cartoon. That’s Mike doing bad impressions of me.

'''INKHOLE:''' Oh-h-h, no ****.

'''MATT:''' The Cheat doing the other characters is Mike.

'''INKHOLE:''' That’s pretty amazing. I thought that was you.

'''MATT:''' No, that’s him. He’s done it a few times. He’s substituted for me before. If I hang out at a bar or something and it’s smoky, the first voice I lose is Strong Sad. If my voice is hoarse, he just sounds terrible. It doesn’t sound like him at all. With Strong Bad, I could have emphysema and still sound like Strong Bad. There’s one email where Strong Bad is trying to get The Cheat to say the word ‘Douglas’. So later on, he punches Strong Sad or hits him with a keyboard and Strong Sad says, “Douglas.” It’s Mike saying “Douglas,” doing a pretty damn good Strong Sad. Nobody has ever picked up on it and been like, “Oh, what’s wrong with Strong Sad’s voice?” If we made a new character, maybe Mike would be the voice. He’s always working on his chops. The Cheat stuff’s been good, because if I do go out of town, Mike could technically do his own whole thing.

'''INKHOLE:''' Do you even record new Cheat sounds?

'''MATT:''' You know what? I do! Which is ridiculous. There are probably thousands of Cheat sounds and it’s me pretty much doing the same thing. I’ve never even thought of that. I record new lines for The Cheat every cartoon. Maybe once in a while, if it’s just one line and he gets kicked or something, we’ll grab it from something else. But yeah, when we’re recording, he’s scripted in there like everybody else. I want to put out a CD that’s all the Cheat’s lines that tell you what he’s saying. Usually from context, you can tell what he’s saying. That’s hilarious. I’m going to keep doing it though, just because…

'''INKHOLE:''' It’s what you do. It’s tradition. Do you or Mike see an end in sight?

'''MATT:''' No.

'''INKHOLE:''' The creative juices are still flowing?

'''MATT:''' Yeah.

'''INKHOLE:''' Good. Then I’m done. [sips iced tea]

'''MATT:''' These are very nice questions. You’re a very nice young man.

'''INKHOLE:''' Thank you, but don’t forget handsome.

'''MATT:''' Handsome definitely.

[[Category: Interviews and Public Appearances]]

The Mailbox

2005-11-11T23:02:42Z

Rob: Revert

[[Image:lighter6.png|thumb|I got a snail mail in my pocket, and I think it's starting to melt.]]

'''The mailbox''' is where [[Strong Bad]] checks his mail on Tuesdays. On one side it reads "sb_snailmail.exe". Strong Bad put it up for sale in [[garage sale]] for $111. The mailbox seems to be nowhere near the [[House of the Brothers Strong]].

== Appearances ==
*Email [[other days]] (debut)
*Email [[garage sale]]

{{stub}}

[[Category:Items]]

HRWiki:Featured Article Nominations

2005-11-09T07:09:22Z

Rob: Revert

This page is used to nominate articles you think should be featured on the [[Main Page]]. Feel free to add your nominations below in alphabetical order, but please check the [[HRWiki:Featured articles|Featured articles]] page to be sure the article hasn't already been added.

Previously featured articles are in bold.
*'''[[20X6]]'''
*[[Arrow'd Guy]]
*[[Bad Graphics Ghost]]
*[[Batman]]
*[[Big Knife]]
*[[Biscuit Dough Hands Man]]
*[[Block]]
*[[Blue Laser]]
*[[BMW Lighter]]
*'''[[Bubs' Concession Stand]]'''
*[[Caleb Rentpayer]]
*[[Carol]]
*[[Castlefunnies]]
*[[Character Evolution]]
*'''[[Cheat Commandos]]'''
*[[The Cheat]]
*[[Cheerleader]]
*[[Cold One]]
*[[Coldson Lite]]
*[[Compy 386]]
*[[Couch Mumbling]]
*'''[[Crazy Go Nuts University]]'''
*[[Dan]]
*[[Decemberween]]
*[[DELETED]]
*[[Duck Guardian]]
*[[Duck Guardian 2]]
*[[Ducks]]
*[[Duct Tape]]
*[[Eh! Steve]]
*[[Email Processing Room]]
*[[Experimental Film]]
*'''[[Fan Stuff]]'''
*[[Fhqwhgads]]
*'''[[Floppy Disk Container]]'''
*[[Fonts]]
*'''[[Free Country, USA]]'''
*[[Frank Benedetto]]
*[[Gavin]]
*[[Goatface]]
*'''[[Halloween Costumes]]'''
*[[Holiday Toons]]
*[[Homestar Jr.]]
*[[Homeschool Winner]]
*[[Homestarmy]]
*'''[[Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)]]'''
*[[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]]
*[[Homsar]]
*[[Ice Cream]]
*[[Istanbul]]
*[[King of Town's Castle]]
*[[Lappy 486]]
*[[Lem Sportsinterviews]]
*[[Limozeen]]
*[[Maggot Man]]
*'''[[Main Pages]]'''
*'''[[Marshmallow's Last Stand (toon)]]'''
*'''[[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]'''
*[[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters]]
*[[Mountain Dew]]
*[[Museum]]
*'''[[Museum Sketchbook]]'''
*'''[[Old-Timey]]'''
*[[Old Characters]]
*[[Original Book]]
*[[Peasantry]]
*[[Peasant's Quest]]
*[[The Poopsmith]]
*[[Potate]]
*'''[[Powered by The Cheat]]'''
*[[Puppet Stuff]]
*'''[[Quote Of The Week]]'''
*[[Random Toon]]
*[[Rock Opera Context]]
*[[Rock Opera Visuals]]
*[[Russ T.]]
*[[Saddy Dumpington]]
*[[Senor Cardgage]]
*[[Shark-Tooth Bubs]]
*[[Sightings]]
*'''[[Sketchbook]]'''
*'''[[Sketchbook (video)]]'''
*[[Stinkoman]]
*[[Stinkoman 20X6]]
*[[Stinkoman 20X6 Enemies]]
*[[Stop sign]]
*'''[[Strong Bad Email]]'''
*'''[[strongbad_email.exe|Strong Bad Email DVD]]'''
*'''[[Strong Bad Email Statistics]]'''
*'''[[Strongbadia]]'''
*[[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy]]
*'''[[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits]]'''
*'''[[Strong Bad's Message Bored]]'''
*[[Strong Mad's Room]]
*[[Strong Sad]]
*[[Strong Sad Lookalike Contest]]
*'''[[Strong Sad's Lament]]'''
*[[Super NES]]
*[[Sweet Cuppin' Cakes]]
*[[Swiss Cake Rolls]]
*[[Tape leg]]
*[[Tandy 400]]
*[[Tangerine Dreams]]
*[[Tee Bee]]
*'''[[Teen Girl Squad]]'''
*[[The Birds]]
*'''[[The Brothers Chaps]]'''
*[[The Cheat's Head Exploding]]
*[[The Geddup Noise]]
*[[The Li'l Brudder Show]]
*[[The Paper]]
*[[The Stick]]
*[[The System is Down]]
*[[The Thnikkaman]]
*[[The Virus]]
*'''[[Thorax Corporation]]'''
*[[Trogador]]
*[[Trogdor]]
*'''[[Weekly Fanstuff]]'''
*'''[[Videlectrix]]'''
*Strong Bad Email: [[12:00]]
*Strong Bad Email: [[50 emails]]
*Strong Bad Email: [[animal]]
*Strong Bad Email: [[best thing]]
*Strong Bad Email: [[bottom 10]]
*Strong Bad Email: [[do over]]
*Strong Bad Email: [[dragon]]
*Strong Bad Email: [[english paper]]
*Strong Bad Email: [[flashback]]
*Strong Bad Email: [[garage sale]]
*Strong Bad Email: [[gimmicks]]
*Strong Bad Email: [[ghosts]]
*Strong Bad Email: [[homsar]]
*Strong Bad Email: [[invisibility]]
*Strong Bad Email: [[modeling]]
*Strong Bad Email: [[monster truck]]
*Strong Bad Email: [[montage]]
*Strong Bad Email: [[rock opera]]
*Strong Bad Email: [[sibbie]]
*Strong Bad Email: [[some kinda robot]]
*Strong Bad Email: [[tape-leg]]
*Strong Bad Email: [[virus]]

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Why isn't there Australian currency? Is our money so worthless to you!!!!?
Kidding. Just curious. - M.J

:I'm not sure why Joey didn't include it in the first place, but rest assured we have nothing against Aussies. FYI, PayPal will take donations in most any currency, if you just change the currency_code at the end of the URL. The currency code for Australian dollars is AUD, so you can make an AUD donation by going to the following URL:

:https://www.paypal.com/xclick/business=donations%40hrwiki.org&no_note=1&tax=0&currency_code=AUD

:I hope that's helpful! [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:17, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)

Because when I made this page on December 24th, PayPal didn't accept Australian dollars. They only started accepting them as of January 4th, 2005 [http://www2.ebay.com/aw/marketing-au.shtml#2005-01-04200717]. I'll make a graphic the next chance I get.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:28, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)

Thanks fellow Homestar fans. - M.J

==Suggestion==
$600 a year seems a lot for hosting this wiki. Have you considered moving to [http://www.wikicities.com/wiki/Wikia Wikia] which offers free wiki hosting? There would be Google ads, like the ones you see at [http://uncyclopedia.org Uncyclopedia.org]. Would this be seen as too much of a problem? If not, please let me know, since it would be great to see this wiki as a sister project of [http://www.wikicities.com/ Wikicities]. [[User:Angela|Angela]] 12:05, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
:What about bandwidth? We are experences bandwidth problems on this good server. Wouldn't moving to a worse, cheaper server make those problems bigger? Plus, ads = blech. - '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''
::Bandwidth isn't a problem for Wikicities. You'd certainly not run out at the end of the month like you do currently. I'm not sure why you think the servers would be worse. They wouldn't. We currently have 3 servers dedicated to Wikicities, and a fourth that is shared with another site. We're aiming to get a new one this week, and over the next few months (once we get some financing sorted out), we hope to majorly expand this by buying around 20 new servers. Waiting until we have those would be best to avoid any overload on our current ones. We're also interested in exploring alternate financing models for our wikis. Currently, they all rely on Google ads, but we're open to suggestions such as runnnig a donations model like the one here if the community did want to migrate to Wikia. Please get in touch if you're interested. My contact details are at [http://wikicities.com/wiki/User:Angela Wikicities]. [[User:Angela|Angela]] 20:55, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:::I think that Joey is wary of having any ads at all (even Google ads) on the site, because we have a lot of material here that is copyrighted by TBC. Right now we're clearly not making any profit off of it so it should not be an issue... but there could be trouble if we were making money off of TBC's work. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 15:25, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

== US$ ==

There are many instances on this page of just "$" instead of "US$". Because this page is protected, can an admin please change all "$" to "US$", to clear up what currency we're using? After all, "US$" is used everywhere on [[HRWiki:2005 Fall Pledge Drive]]. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 05:17, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

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== Template:logo? ==
Should [[Template:logo]] really be used here? I don't think it is really qualifies for the logo template, seeing as it is a logo for a fake company. I don't know much about this stuff, so I could be wrong. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 05:08, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

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== Not Linked? ==
See someone here (maybe even you) who's not linked properly? Please let us know! Leave a message on this page and we'll try to fix it. We want to give these generous people the recognition they deserve. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 00:58, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Is this not linked properly or not linked at all? →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

::Either/or. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 14:59, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

:::Oh. I'm pretty sure that Leith is [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]]. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

::::Yuppers, you're right on that one Fire. ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Leith?]]</tt>'' 14:22, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)

I (Eliot Frost) would appreciate having my name changed to TheJapaneseGeek and having it link to my userpage. Many thanks.

:Done. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:14, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

== Name Sizes ==
Is this dumb? Should we go back to normal sized names? Is there something I can change to make it look different/better? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 14:59, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Eh... I like it better with the normal sizes. The random sizes look kind of weird, and I'm having a hard time figuring out why some are hugenormous and some are tiny. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:Yeah, I think it just looks strange having them all different sizes. {{User:Rainer/sig}}

: Maybe just put them in order based on how much donated and show the amount. [[User:nintendorulez|nintendorulez]] 18:16, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)

:: I agree with nintendorulez. It's very odd looking at the page when all of the names are in different sizes. You can just put them in the correct rank. You don't even need to mention that that is the rank... →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 18:40, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Personally, I liked it the way it was. I don't think this is really the place to recognize amounts donated. I think this page should look particularly professional. Maybe we could find some other way to show relative amounts donated by users. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 12:53, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)

::Is someone going to change it? IMO, it looks alright with names being ''slightly'' bigger, but seeing a gigantic, blue coloured "Joey Day" and "Tom Preuss" looks kinda strange. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 12:46, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:I personally like it like this. If I donated $200 dollars, I'd like to have more credit than someone who only donated $2. (Although I know that we should be grateful that we get credit at all.) Anyway, that's my two cents. (pardon the pun) - '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''

Okay, I think it needs to change now. Tom's has taken over the whole page, practically. It looks awkward now. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

:I like how it looks now, except for Tom's name (still too big, IMO). I think it is important to have some names slightly bigger if that person donated a lot of money, but not so much that it is distracting. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 08:31, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

== Screenshot ==

Anyone else think it would be a nice touch to add a screenshot of the "Thank You" poster over Marzipan's couch to this page? [[User:ComputerBox|Tom]] 15:30, 9 Mar 2005 (MST) -Tom as in "ComputerBox", not the admin.

:I don't think it would look very good. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

::I think it's worth a shot at least to see what it'd look like. Dangit. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 07:20, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)

==Sizage==

Is it just me, or did everybody just shrink? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:02, 25 October 2005 (UTC)
:I think they did. On purpose. Some names were getting just too big. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

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[[Image:tilogo.PNG|thumb|The Inkhole's logo]] The [[Inkhole_Interview#External_Links|Inkhole]] Exclusive Interview with Homestar Runner Co-Creator Matt Chapman

==Transcript==
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The internet used to be a pretty uneventful place. A guy who dressed up in Peter Pan costumes gave viewers a half chuckle before thinking, “I wonder if that CBS sitcom with the laugh track is new tonight.” And let’s not forget the dancing .GIF baby that caused the world to collectively smash their computers and go back to handwritten letters. Fortunately, Mike and Matt Chapman (aka [[The Brothers Chaps]]) stepped into the web ring and declared, “Let’s try to not be crappy.” Their animated site, Homestar Runner, has proven to be one of the internet’s shining pit stops since its debut in 2001. The site’s popularity continues to grow as millions of adults (perhaps while they should be working) and kids (perhaps while they should be mowing my lawn) flock to the site daily for a weird and wacky dose of an armless simpleton, [[Homestar Runner]], and his shirtless antagonist, [[Strong Bad]]. Consistently funny, fresh, and (f)entertaining, the Brothers Chaps are here to stay, simply by showing us what amuses them. I caught up with half of the duo, [[Matt Chapman]], at a bar for some insight into their whirlwind fame. Matt drank cola. I had sweet tea with lemon in it.

'''INKHOLE:''' What did you order?

'''MATT:''' Onion straws.

'''INKHOLE:''' And they’re actually like straws?

'''MATT:''' Sort of. They’re not rings. They’re fried onions, but not in ring shape, so… Dismantled Awesome Blossoms.

'''INKHOLE:''' Alright, are you ready?

'''MATT:''' Yeah.

'''INKHOLE:''' This is my first time.

'''MATT:''' Mine, too.

'''INKHOLE:''' Okay. Your name is?

'''MATT:''' Matt Chapman.

'''INKHOLE:''' And you are?

'''MATT:''' Uh, feeling pretty good.

'''INKHOLE:''' Good. You do a site called Homestar Runner.

'''MATT:''' That’s true.

'''INKHOLE:''' And what do you do there?

'''MATT:''' I do a voice and I draw.

'''INKHOLE:''' I haven’t actually seen the site, but someone told me it’s pretty good.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, I hope so.

'''INKHOLE:''' Can you give me the gist of it?

'''MATT:''' A bunch of crazy animal characters run around and make fun of each other.

'''INKHOLE:''' Like squirrels?

'''MATT:''' Ah, no. Not so much squirrels.

'''INKHOLE:''' It probably makes the kids pretty happy, I bet.

'''MATT:''' I hope so. It makes them buy hooded sweatshirts sometimes.

'''INKHOLE:''' Those jerks. Do you do push ups?

'''MATT:''' Not regularly. I’ve done them.

'''INKHOLE:''' How many push ups do you think you can do in one sitting?

'''MATT:''' Uh, I don’t know. A couple hundred maybe.

'''INKHOLE:''' Really?

'''MATT:''' I don’t know. Drop down and give me twenty is standard, right? Seems like twenty is easy. Definitely a hundred.

'''INKHOLE:''' Honestly, I could probably do eighteen before stopping.

'''MATT:''' That’s not true. You could do more than eighteen. Push ups, right? Not pull ups.

'''INKHOLE:''' Right. I dare you to give me twenty push ups.

'''MATT:''' Right now? (gets on the bar floor and proceeds to do push ups)

'''INKHOLE:''' Okay. One, two… How many is that?

'''MATT:''' Sixteen… Eighteen… That’s twenty. (stands up and sits at table) On second thought, I think I could do maybe forty or fifty at the most. The very most.

'''INKHOLE:''' My turn. (gets on the bar floor and proceeds to do push ups) Nine. So pathetic.

'''MATT:''' That was great, though.

'''INKHOLE:''' I’ve been working on a website at work and my boss says to me, “Hey, I’ve got this magazine. Maybe it’ll help you do the website.” He gives me How Magazine and I’m looking through it. This is, like, two years ago and there’s an interview with you and Mike in there. I was like, “What the hell is this?”

'''MATT:''' Yeah, that was very cool, because it’s neat whenever we hear from designing people. It’s awesome to hear from anybody, but it’s validating to hear from the hipster design-y super artsy people. It’s cool.

'''INKHOLE:''' That wasn’t a question. I was just telling you what I saw.

'''MATT:''' I know. I was just telling you.

'''INKHOLE:''' Thanks for answering my non-question.

'''MATT:''' (laughs) Sorry.

'''INKHOLE:''' Anyway, my point is that there are a lot of Homestar interviews out there. You probably get the same questions all the time.

'''MATT:''' It’s pretty standard. They ask us how it started and this and that.

'''INKHOLE:''' Is there anything people have never asked you, but you’ve always wanted to talk about?

'''MATT:''' I don’t know. I guess I like telling stories about how I made salt and cheese sandwiches when I was a kid, and I threw up. And then slid in my own puke.

'''INKHOLE:''' You really did that?

'''MATT:''' Yeah. I was, like, seven or something. But that’s the sort of thing where if they ask, “Oh, did you ever get into any mischief as a kid?” I’d be like, Oh, great great. I get to tell them the salt and cheese story. So maybe that’s one. Occasionally people will ask, “Do you and your brother fight?” And we just say, “No.” They don’t really go into that enough. There’s some good Mike and Matt childhood stories. Nobody really asks us about being kids so much. I think that’s more interesting than anything you could ask about my adult life.

'''INKHOLE:''' He probably beat the shit out of you all the time.

'''MATT:''' There’s a good one where I accidentally clocked him in the eye. It was full on. He was on top of me, choking me or something. And I’ve never really punched him in the face, and I just reared back. Gzshhhh. I sort of stunned him, because I think he never believed I’d actually do that, and at the same time, I had totally cold cocked him. I mean, I remember I stunned him just long enough that I ran out the front door and kept running halfway through the neighborhood. I never looked back. I was terrified he would be there.

'''INKHOLE:''' How old were you?

'''MATT:''' I was probably ten or twelve and he’s three years older than me. So he would have been fifteen or something. I remember thinking that I’d have to lay low for a while and let things cool off, because Mike’s gonna beat the shit out of me whenever I go home.

'''INKHOLE:''' Has anyone ever asked you something completely inappropriate during an interview?

'''MATT:''' Um. No. Would you like to?

'''INKHOLE:''' No. I was wondering if anyone caught you off guard and asked something, like, when you lost your virginity.

'''MATT:''' Yeah. I’ve never been asked that.

'''INKHOLE:''' So when did you?

'''MATT:''' Oh. Uh, like a couple weeks ago.

'''INKHOLE:''' [laughs] So the site, which is what we’re here to talk about. The site is Homestar Runner, but obviously Strong Bad became the focus.

'''MATT:''' He became the most popular. Yeah. He became the thing we updated constantly with any regularity.

'''INKHOLE:''' Do you have any plans for a spin off site, or perhaps another site unrelated to Homestar?

'''MATT:''' We have ideas. Nothing that we’d be ready to go with. As far as spin off, we’ve got ideas.

'''INKHOLE:''' I could picture something like Teen Girl Squad. It’s voiced by Strong Bad, but other than that, it’s unrelated.

'''MATT:''' That could have its own. Right. You could do that and not have anything to do with Homestar Runner. Same with the new Cheat Commandos. It has nothing to do with Homestar. It looks like the Cheat, but it’s not his normal personality. That could make its own weird thing.

'''INKHOLE:''' Are there many outtakes that exist?

'''MATT:''' There’s outtakes. We rarely will get through an entire scene and say, “Let’s not do that.” We’ll write stuff. We’ll record voices. We did one where we recorded it all and then I went out of town, so Mike ended up doing the bulk of the animation. I guess when we were recording it, it was hard to tell, but Mike starts animating it and says, “This is going to be an eight minute Strong Bad email. That’s inexcusable.” And so he cut out scenes. It’s not like on The Simpsons and there’s outtakes cut because of censors or whatever. For the most part, our outtakes are just recorded audio. Usually if there is something like that, we’ll put it up later as a Quote of the Day thing or fit it into another cartoon. The jokes on the site can pretty much be in any configuration. You can take a joke from one cartoon and put it into any other, pretty much.

'''INKHOLE:''' So you record the audio first and animate to that. Do you sometimes animate and then do voice over?

'''MATT:''' No. It’s much easier to do the audio first and then listen to it frame by frame and animate it.

'''INKHOLE:''' What are your favorite moments on the site?

'''MATT:''' It changes all the time. The Cheat made a cartoon recently and there’s a part where Strong Bad and The Cheat give each other high fives in space. And then an alien floats up. (laughs) And then when it leaves, the alien gets all sad and it plays this generic 80’s space noise. And he turns old. That cracked me up to no end. I could watch Nebulon crying and moping away forever. Mike just did that. That’s something you wouldn’t see in a script or whatever we wrote for it. That’s definitely up there. What else? It’s all the shit Mike does. There’s one where The Cheat guest animates a Strong Bad email. Oh! It’s when Strong Bad is cartwheeling and he cartwheels over a bunch of buses. And then Bubs pops up and it’s Mike doing a terrible Bubs impression. He’s like, “Hey Strong Bad. You jumped over some of my buses.” He sounds kind of like Fat Albert. It was the sound of Bubs if he weighed eight hundred pounds. That was great. So pretty much any of Mike’s stuff cracks me up.

'''INKHOLE:''' Do you two write actual scripts?

'''MATT:''' We write stuff out, but it’s ideas more. Sometimes we will write dialogue if there is one particular thing we don’t want to forget. When I’m recording it, we’ll usually deviate in some way. I was watching this one early Strong Bad email from back in the day, and the entire email was one .WAV file, one piece of audio with no stops and no editing. Obviously we changed. The format has evolved and gotten more complex as we go on. We turned [Strong Bad emails] into mini-cartoons, whereas before it was much more of an advice column. It’s pretty funny to watch those where we’d have no script and Mike would be like, “Here, pick an email,” and I’d just sit down and record it.

'''INKHOLE:''' That raises another question. How many emails does Strong Bad get a day?

'''MATT:''' We get between two and five thousand a day. Because of the web server people that we use, we had to start keeping only three days at a time, and then it just dumps them. There’s a lot of spam on there obviously, too. There was definitely a peak maybe last summer where there was eight thousand a day, which was ridiculous. We usually look through a hundred at a time and just try to find something that strikes us. It’s funny, though, because occasionally we want to make a Strong Bad email about this, and we’ll just do a search on our email program for that. We’ll just be like, “Shit! We’ve got this great idea for a Strong Bad email. Look up one about ghosts.” And of course, there’s ten emails about ghosts. We get emails from people that say, “How can I get my Strong Bad email picked?” It’s totally luck of the draw. But even in that case, if you wrote about Dangeresque, there’s a hundred other people that address it, too, and we’re still going to pick at random. It’s everyday hilarious and ridiculous to think that that many people are emailing this cartoon character.

'''INKHOLE:''' If you’re finding an email at random, what catches your interest? Do you go by the subject line?

'''MATT:''' No. We actually will read the emails. Occasionally if a subject line seems funny, we’ll read that one because of the subject line. But for the most part we just arbitrarily go through and we’ll read a set of twenty, then scroll down and read another twenty. It’s just sort of in your brain. You read it in Strong Bad’s voice, and if he starts talking after it, then it’s the email we’ll pick. We have a “good ones” folder. It doesn’t necessarily mean we’re going to do that email, but it seems like it could go somewhere. We try to keep it pretty recent where we pick one written within the past three days or whatever, so that dude’s going to see his email up there, which we want. We do still have emails from years ago, but those people probably don’t even like us anymore and are never going to see it, so…

'''INKHOLE:''' How far in advance do you work? If we see a Strong Bad email this week, how long ago was it created?

'''MATT:''' If you see one this week, we’re going to do it tomorrow. [laughs]

'''INKHOLE:''' So you work week to week?

'''MATT:''' We try. Definitely.

'''INKHOLE:''' You don’t stockpile.

'''MATT:''' No, no, no. We’ve never been able to get any kind of backlog going. We try and start looking on Tuesday for an email, and then hopefully have it written and recorded by Thursday or Friday so then we’re just animating all weekend. Fifty percent of the time we do that. The other fifty percent, we just pull an all-nighter and put it up Monday afternoon or something.

'''INKHOLE:''' How much drinking goes on when you’re making the website?

'''MATT:''' Not as much as it used to. We used get a six pack of High Life and that was how we did the emails and stuff. But we’ve got an office space now that we go to.

'''INKHOLE:''' I thought you worked out of home.

'''MATT:''' We did for a long time. Now we’re in an office. There’s no windows, so it’s good to lock ourselves in when there’s twelve hours of animation to do. We just go in there and don’t leave. That’s a good point; we need more alcohol. When we were working from the apartment, we’d always have the TV on. We’d be watching Match Game or the old Batman TV show or Saved By The Bell. We’d also have a couple of beers and we’d be in the same room. It was easy to come up with stuff. There’s no stimulus or stimuli in the office, which is unfortunate.

'''INKHOLE:''' I’m going to stop a second and eat some onion straws.

'''MATT:''' I just had a couple.

'''INKHOLE:''' These are good.

'''MATT:''' It’s good batter.

'''Inkhole:''' On a scale of one to two, how often do you get recognized on the street?

'''MATT:''' Zero. The first time ever that I was recognized by sight was last weekend. I was in the Mexican restaurant right there. [points across the street] Lucky Yates (a local theater talk show host) had me and Mike come on his show, and this guy happened to be at that show. This is really weird, because like I’m saying, this is the first time it’s ever happened to me. I go and sit down to eat and this guy just walks up and holds his phone up to me, and it’s got a little Homestar Runner wallpaper on it. He was like, “I love what you do,” and went and sat down. He didn’t really say anything, and I just started eating. It wasn’t until after I got done eating that he came back over. Other than that, unless you live in Atlanta and have seen us, then there’s no reason to recognize us.

'''INKHOLE:''' That’s good, though. I think.

'''MATT:''' Oh, definitely. The few times we’ve talked to fans in person, it’s cool because we usually just get emails and we don’t get to meet a lot of people. But at the same time, it’s weird, too.

'''INKHOLE:''' You’re giving back to the community.

'''MATT:''' Right. Exactly. We were going to do a thing with Mike and the Homestar puppet. Mike is the perfect straight man to the Homestar puppet, but he doesn’t want to be on the site, because he doesn’t want to be recognized. I don’t know. Not that he assumes that would happen, but he doesn’t even want to take that chance because he’s really weird about that sort of stuff. Mike and the Homestar puppet just hanging out is the funniest shit ever. It’s great. Mike’s amazing. I think we’ve been able to remain fairly anonymous. I did get woken up at eight o’clock in the morning. Some guy found my cell phone number somehow. He makes pillow cases and wanted to make Homestar pillow cases or something. I was just like, “It’s eight in the morning and my wife is trying to sleep.” I tried to lay it on as thick as possible and make him feel guilty. It’s funny because he got my number, and this is impossible, from the alumni association. I thought back, and I never gave them my current cell phone number. I go, “Well they’re not getting any of my money.” He was like, “No! I don’t want any of your money. I’m not like that.” I was like, “No, no, no. The alumni association is not getting any money.” He was like “Ha, ha yeah,” and then went back into his pitch. I was like, “No, no, no. I’m going back to bed.” It just seems to me that even if he was just a business man and had a business proposition, what businesses open at 8 a.m.?

'''INKHOLE:''' Maybe he was in England.

'''MATT:''' [laughs] I keep going on tangents.

'''INKHOLE:''' No you don’t. This is good stuff. Let’s never leave.

'''MATT:''' Let’s do more push ups.

'''INKHOLE:''' Have you been hounded by TV people?

'''MATT:''' Not hounded. We’ve had lots of offers.

'''INKHOLE:''' You’re not interested?

'''MATT:''' It’s not for what we’re doing. Like you said, if one day we decide that Teen Girl Squad would make its own funny little short, then we’d do that. But right now, the fact that we do this for a living is insane. I’d just like to ride this out as long as possible. And at the end, if it’s falling apart, I still wouldn’t be like, “Okay, let’s sell it to Nickelodeon.” We probably would never do Homestar Runner in that respect. We talk to a lot of people that would potentially be good to work with, but it’s just not for us. Hopefully if we’re doing something else, those people will like that, too, and we’ll get in touch with them then. I know people are probably like, “You’re stupid. You should do it. It’s a huge opportunity.” But for us, like I keep saying, the problem is that if I was doing nothing and still working at Earthlink, yes, okay, that would make sense. But we’re making a living making a stupid cartoon website, which is ridiculous. I don’t want to rock the boat.

'''INKHOLE:''' I think you definitely have longevity. It’s not the kind of site people get tired of. Because, you know what, it’s in such small doses.

'''MATT:''' I would think not being on TV would help that. We’re not ramming it down people’s throats. There’s still millions of people that could find our website for the first time every day.

'''INKHOLE:''' So Univision and Telemundo haven’t contact you?

'''MATT:''' No, but that’s the kind of thing we’re waiting for.

'''INKHOLE:''' Have you ever thought about translating your site into other languages?

'''MATT:''' Our friend, Rusty, taught in Korea for a year and said that when Americans acknowledge Koreans in any way shape or form, they go nuts. He said, “If you started putting Korean subtitles on your cartoons, you’d be the most popular website in Korea within a week.” And so we seriously thought about it. It’s just the sort of thing that would take a long time. We still want to do it. We just never got around to doing it. I have cousins that are Argentine, and we want to do a Strong Bad email entirely in Spanish. Just one week put it up. No English. No subtitles. We’d still like to do that. I think we might do one of the main homepages that’s all in Spanish. We have considered it. I think it has unlimited potential.

'''INKHOLE:''' Take me through a typical day. You wake up. Eat Raisin Bran, I don’t know. What goes on?

'''MATT:''' Lately it’s been good. Like I said, we haven’t been working in the office as much. I wake up between nine and ten, walk over to Mike’s [house], and Mike has been making breakfast. It’s been great. So I get over there and Mike’s got, like, eggs and bacon and coffee ready. So I have a little of that. Check email for a while, you know, whatever. Then we would look for a Strong Bad email. Let’s say we find one. We start writing it. We’ll go for a walk or go out in the back and play with his dog and talk over stuff until something starts getting funny. Then independently, we’ll each write the same thing. We both write it and it’s always an amalgamation of the two things. Once we’ve got it pretty much written, I’ll go in and record voices at the office, and Mike will start making whatever new graphics we need. Once we’re done recording, we split up the scenes. I’ll start at the beginning and Mike will start at the end and we work toward the middle.

'''INKHOLE:''' Wow.

'''MATT:''' We’d love it if we could get efficient enough to where we, like, had a stockpile of Strong Bad emails done. We could take a couple of weeks off to do something else. But so far, we haven’t gotten to that level.

'''INKHOLE:''' What does happen when you go on vacation? Do you make sure not to take vacations at the same time?

'''MATT:''' So far that’s been the way we’ve done it. When Mike goes out of town, it’s easier, obviously, because I do all of the voices. Whereas when I go out of town, I’ve got to make sure any voices that we’re going to do are recorded before I leave. We could always use Mike’s wife, who is the voice of Marzipan, and make a Marzipan solo cartoon. That would be pretty hilarious.

'''INKHOLE:''' Is Mike not interested in doing voices?

'''MATT:''' He’s the voice whenever The Cheat makes a cartoon. That’s Mike doing bad impressions of me.

'''INKHOLE:''' Oh-h-h, no shit.

'''MATT:''' The Cheat doing the other characters is Mike.

'''INKHOLE:''' That’s pretty amazing. I thought that was you.

'''MATT:''' No, that’s him. He’s done it a few times. He’s substituted for me before. If I hang out at a bar or something and it’s smoky, the first voice I lose is Strong Sad. If my voice is hoarse, he just sounds terrible. It doesn’t sound like him at all. With Strong Bad, I could have emphysema and still sound like Strong Bad. There’s one email where Strong Bad is trying to get The Cheat to say the word ‘Douglas’. So later on, he punches Strong Sad or hits him with a keyboard and Strong Sad says, “Douglas.” It’s Mike saying “Douglas,” doing a pretty damn good Strong Sad. Nobody has ever picked up on it and been like, “Oh, what’s wrong with Strong Sad’s voice?” If we made a new character, maybe Mike would be the voice. He’s always working on his chops. The Cheat stuff’s been good, because if I do go out of town, Mike could technically do his own whole thing.

'''INKHOLE:''' Do you even record new Cheat sounds?

'''MATT:''' You know what? I do! Which is ridiculous. There are probably thousands of Cheat sounds and it’s me pretty much doing the same thing. I’ve never even thought of that. I record new lines for The Cheat every cartoon. Maybe once in a while, if it’s just one line and he gets kicked or something, we’ll grab it from something else. But yeah, when we’re recording, he’s scripted in there like everybody else. I want to put out a CD that’s all the Cheat’s lines that tell you what he’s saying. Usually from context, you can tell what he’s saying. That’s hilarious. I’m going to keep doing it though, just because…

'''INKHOLE:''' It’s what you do. It’s tradition. Do you or Mike see an end in sight?

'''MATT:''' No.

'''INKHOLE:''' The creative juices are still flowing?

'''MATT:''' Yeah.

'''INKHOLE:''' Good. Then I’m done. [sips iced tea]

'''MATT:''' These are very nice questions. You’re a very nice young man.

'''INKHOLE:''' Thank you, but don’t forget handsome.

'''MATT:''' Handsome definitely.

[[Category: Interviews and Public Appearances]]

==External Links==
*[http://web.archive.org/web/20040923220337/http://www.theinkhole.com/ The Inkhole (mirror with missing images)]
*[http://web.archive.org/web/20041011153811/http://www.theinkhole.com/homestar1.htm The Inkhole Intervew (mirror with missing images)]

Tastes Like Chicken Interview (censored)

2005-10-24T06:52:02Z

Rob:

{{censored|Tastes Like Chicken Interview}}
==Transcript==
'''WAYNE:''' I know Homestar Runner started off with a book you guys put together for a few friends, titled Homestar Runner Enters The Strongest Man In The World Contest. How did it progress from there to get where it is now?

'''MIKE:''' Well, the original story was from 1996. Matt was in school in Tallahassee, and I was in school in Athens. And for the next three-and-a-half years, nothing happened. It would pop up here and there; we’d write a little story or come up with an idea. Then we did that Mario Paint theme song video that’s on the site.

'''MATT:''' We did that for our older brother for Christmas one year.

'''MIKE:''' We did that in ‘97 or ‘98. But, for the most part, nothing happened. We were busy in school, making movies and art and crap like that. We moved back to Atlanta at about the same time, in late 1999, and we wanted to create a project to work on together. So we chose Homestar Runner. We discovered Flash, and we were blown away by how easily you could make good-looking cartoons.

'''MATT:''' What we ''thought'' were good-looking at the time.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}'' Right. So that started in January of 2000. And you can find the progression from there on the site.

'''WAYNE:''' So, you both did other stuff before. Mike, you used to take photography?

'''MIKE:''' Right.

'''WAYNE:''' And, Matt, you went to LSU for film?

'''MATT:''' FSU.

'''WAYNE:''' FSU. Sorry.

'''MIKE:''' I went to LSU for one year.

'''WAYNE:''' Cool. That shows how good I am at researching ****.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}''

'''WAYNE:''' So, do you guys still do photography and film at all, or do you just not have time for it, since Homestar Runner has totally taken over?

'''MATT:''' We don’t do it on the side. We try and incorporate the skills we learned in our schooling onto the site. But I don’t have film projects I’m working on, and Mike’s not working in a darkroom.

'''WAYNE:''' What type of photography did you used to do, Mike?

'''MIKE:''' I did color stuff. The program I was in at the University of Georgia was primarily fine art oriented, as opposed to commercial--

'''MATT:''' Olan Mills studio portrait-style.

'''WAYNE:''' ''{laughs}''

'''MIKE:''' My degree was for to be an artist, not to be a professional photographer. And that’s when I dropped out of grad school. I didn’t have the desire or the skills to be a commercial photographer. I did all natural ambient light settings, used 35mm, and had 30-second exposures. So my style was not applicable to earning very much money, unless a lot of people were going to be buying my art.

'''WAYNE:''' Did you stick mainly to 35mm? I ask because my degree is in photography as well.

'''MIKE:''' Oh, nice. We had to take a medium and large-format class. But the only camera I have is a 35mm. And then in graduate school I started using a lot of disposable cameras and Polaroid.

'''WAYNE:''' Yeah. Getting away from what people think photography is.

'''MIKE:''' Exactly.

'''WAYNE:''' I hear ya. So did all the schooling and training prepare you for the world you’re in now? Because I went to art school, too, and then I started the paper. But I knew nothing about the business aspect of it, which I think is equally as important as the creative aspect.

'''MIKE:''' Right.

'''WAYNE:''' So do you feel that what you guys got out of school prepared you for where you are now? Or did you have to learn a lot on the way?

'''MIKE:''' We didn’t learn a lot of the business crap. But I definitely feel that what I learned in art school is applicable, whether or not it’s just the actual visuals: composition, colors, and crap like that. Just in making stuff that looks pretty and appealing to the eye.

'''MATT:''' Yeah. But in terms of the preparedness, we’ve just been winging it for the last three years, for the most part. Just taking stuff as it comes. We’re prepared for doing the creative stuff, sure. But in terms of the business, we’re just making it up as we go. We didn’t set out to,.. you know. It’s not like we were like, “We’re going to make a cartoon on the web so that TV people will come to us, and then we’ll pitch a cartoon.” We weren’t trying to make it something that we were going to support ourselves on either. We were just making it as a hobby. But then it was like, “Oh crap. A lot of people are buying t-shirts, so I can quit my job.” We’re definitely learning as we go. And as far as business goes, we’ve got a business dude. So we learned a lot of it peripherally. We like big, broad strokes of it, instead of the boring, meeting-type crap. Don’t give me any hand-outs. ''{laughs}''

'''WAYNE:''' ''{laughs}''

'''MATT:''' Our dad and our business guy both are very good at making lots and lots of spreadsheets,.. which they’ll show you.

'''WAYNE:''' ''{laughs}'' So, you guys just started off doing it for fun and just to do it, but was there any one day or time in particular when you just stopped and realized how huge it had become?

'''MIKE:''' It was more of a gradual rise. I think the biggest spike came in September 2002.

'''MATT:''' Yeah. That was right when I quit my job, and it was just in time. Kids had just gotten back in school, like college and stuff, and I don’t know if it had been brewing over the summer or what, but we definitely saw a huge spike in terms of traffic to the site and selling shirts. We started getting more emails, and Strong Bad started getting more emails. So that was the biggest in terms of there being a jump. But everything else has been gradual. We just learned last month that Beck links to us on his website. So that was really ******* cool.

'''WAYNE:''' Awesome. Yeah, we interviewed Marilyn Manson last October--

'''MATT:''' ''{laughs}'' Awesome.

'''WAYNE:''' --and we were trying to do this whole Manson issue, because I had interviewed Charles Manson, which was the easier of the two interviews to get, if you can ******* believe that.

'''MATT:''' ''{laughs}''

'''MIKE:''' Of course.

'''WAYNE:''' So, thanks to a friend of mine, Cyril, we ended up doing this interview with Marilyn Manson. And he ended up putting a link to our site on his site. So I was checking the web stats everyday, and we were averaging, at the time, somewhere around 2,000 hits a day. But one day I go to check the stats and we had jumped to 40,000 in one day.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}''

'''WAYNE:''' Yeah. It was crazy. So, you guys have somewhat of a pseudo-celebrity status right now, but you don’t have recognizable faces, because the characters are what’s put out there. Do you like the privacy of that? Do you like being these guys that a lot of people know about, but yet remaining faceless?

'''MIKE:''' I think it’s nice, to a degree. But one of the drawbacks of it is that, up until recently, we hadn’t really met any fans face-to-face. We get emails from people, but it’s nice to meet people. Like, if you’re in a band, you’re playing in front of people, so you get to see the people and talk to them. You get to interact with them in a more real way than just email. But I don’t think if people knew what we looked like we’d have to worry about people recognizing us or anything like that. But it is nice to meet people. I don’t want to continue to be faceless and not let people know what we look like.

'''WAYNE:''' So, kind of in line with that, kind of the way (Mike) Judge is to Beavis and Butt-head, John K. is to Ren and Stimpy, or Trey and Matt are to South Park, the Brothers Chaps are to Homestar Runner. Does it bother you guys that, with anything you do after this, you’ll be referred to as the “Homestar Runner guys”?

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}''

'''MATT:''' At this point, no. I’m still proud of it. Actually, you know, I’ll be surprised if they call us the “Homestar Runner guys” and not the “Strong Bad guys”.

'''WAYNE:''' Yeah. That’s true.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}''

'''MATT:''' I’ll welcome it if they call us the “Homestar Runner guys”. Or they might call us the “Trogdor guys”, which would be more accurate at this point. But that’s what’s cool about doing it ourselves. It’s not like it’s going to sell-out; it’s not going to be like,... A few weeks ago, me and Mike went to Target and we were in the pool toys section. And there was an entire wall of SpongeBob pool toys. They had every kind of thing you could think of, and it didn’t even look like SpongeBob; it just had pants and was yellow. And that’s just disgusting. And if that was out there, and people kept calling me the “SpongeBob guy”, I’d probably be ****** off.

'''WAYNE:''' Exactly.

'''MATT:''' We’re always going to maintain this level of integrity. I think it is something that we’ll always be proud of, so if that’s all they remember me for, that’s cool. And, hopefully, we’ll end up doing other stuff, too. But at this point, I stand by it.

'''WAYNE:''' With that being said, you guys have made a lot of conscious decisions with the site, like no ad banners, and it doesn’t resort to swearing to get a joke across. What are the reasons behind the decisions? I mean, no one wants to say, “I want to sell-out and have my **** all over Target.” No one is going to say that, although a lot of people will do it.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}''

'''WAYNE:''' But what are the reasons behind keeping the site ad-free and making it clean enough for kids to view?

'''MIKE:''' The ad thing was something we decided early on. The site is a window within this black screen, so it already separates itself from your browser. And we did this to make it in its own world, and not relate it to anything else. We didn’t want any distractions, whether it was a banner ad or pop-up crap or swirling things all over the place. Once you’re there, you’re there. And you know that everything you see there, you’re supposed to be seeing.

'''MATT:''' Yeah. We don’t even link to other sites. People will come to us and say, “Oh, we linked to your site. Will you link to us on yours?” And that’s really cool, and we’re not trying to be ***** about it, but we’re just trying to keep the site as a whole experience. Once you get to Homestar land, you’re in there. And, plus, it really goes back to the state of the web, which is actually worse now, in terms of ads and crap like that. But when we first started doing it, we were looking around at other Flash cartoons back in late ‘99, and there were ads everywhere. And you couldn’t even tell what was the cartoon and what wasn’t. So we decided that if we were going to do it, we were going to do it like that. And then, in terms of the wholesomeness of it all, at the time we started, everything on the web was South Park rip-offs and gross-out shock humor.

'''MIKE:''' “Look at this little cute cartoon character! It says swear words!”

'''MATT:''' Yeah. “He says ‘****’, and looks like a country boy!”

'''WAYNE:''' ''{laughs}''

'''MATT:''' So we were just kind of sick of it. It’s like, South Park did it the best without ripping it off. So it was just more of a personal challenge.

'''MIKE:''' It’s really just more of our style, too. It wasn’t a super hard decision to make. We probably would have been doing it like this anyway. We’ve always leaned toward the more subtle type of humor, as opposed to over-the-top.

'''MATT:''' But when we get our sketch comedy show, dude, there’s going to be so many swears!

'''The remainder of the interview is under copyright, but can be viewed at the official site of the interview, listed under the external links.'''

==External Links==
*[http://www.tlchicken.com/view_story.php?ARTid=1374 Read the Original Transcript] ('''Contains language offensive to some readers''')

[[Category: Interviews and Public Appearances]]

l33t Interview (censored)

2005-10-24T06:50:29Z

Rob: we only need the transcript here

{{censored|l33t Interview}}

== Transcript ==

'''STEPHAN:''' State your name for the record, please.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Mike Chapman!

'''STEPHAN:''' How long has Homestarrunner.com been up?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Since January of 2000. A nice clean starting point.

'''STEPHAN:''' Yes, nicely planned. I think I stumbled on the site in the fall of 2000. For somebody that has never heard of the site, how would you describe it?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Tough question... um, a site with lots of cartoons and games and characters and no banner ads or pop-up ads or crap like that. It is aimed at twenty-somethings and college type kids but can be enjoyed by little tykes as well.

'''STEPHAN:''' Hmm, why would you say its aimed at twenty-somethings? I didn't find anything particularly adult in content. Unless I'm missing something.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' A lot of references to things in the eighties, not a lot, but some. Most of our audience is either college-aged kids or people that are out of college, judging by the emails we get.

'''STEPHAN:''' I see, so do you get a lot of visitors and fan mail?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' We get about a thousand viewers a day. We get five or ten mails a day.

'''STEPHAN:''' I don't get any fan mail. I feel so unloved.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' So are things busy over at wtfiml33t?

'''STEPHAN:''' Yeah. Quite busy.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Where are you?

'''STEPHAN:''' NYC.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' I see. That's where my brother Matt is. He does all the voices for Homestar.

'''STEPHAN:''' Aha. I love the voices. He does every characters' voices?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah. Except Marzipan which my girlfriend Missy does.

'''STEPHAN:''' I was going to say he does a **** good girl impression.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' That would be impressive.

'''STEPHAN:''' Impressive, and slightly scary I would say.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yes.

'''STEPHAN:''' You said your brother Matt does the voices, what do you do?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' I do most everything else: graphics, animation, programming. He does some of that too, but he has a real job and I freelance, so I have way more free time than he.

'''STEPHAN:''' Do you guys work on the stories together, or is that mainly yours?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah, that writing is pretty much 50/50.

'''STEPHAN:''' I think the jumping jack competition has to be one of my favorites.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Good. I'm glad you like it. I sometimes wonder if it is too long.

'''STEPHAN:''' Oh no, I think they are a good length.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Good. I wonder no more.

'''STEPHAN:''' They are funny stuff, so it's not like I get bored while watching it. You don't really see that many online comics that do 'episodes' per se, so I think its a good change to see a slightly longer style cartoon, although I could imagine that is due to the amount of work that goes into each episode. How long would you say, on average. it takes you to put out a new cartoon?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah. Cartoon Network online and such don't do a very good job of creating a character and having several episodes about him/her. They have lots of cartoons about lots of different characters.

'''STEPHAN:''' They don't really develop the characters, so you can't get attached to them. I think that is part of the attraction of cartoons, watching them every Saturday morning and following the character's next adventure.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Exactly. A full episode probably takes between one and two months, mostly because it is a spare-time affair. If we both worked fulltime, we could probably do an episode every two weeks or so.

'''STEPHAN:''' Wow, I wouldn't mind that at all!

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Hopefully, someday. I'm glad you mentioned the Saturday morning thing.

'''STEPHAN:''' Why's that?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' This is another reason I feel it's aimed at twenty-somethings. I like to think it has that Saturday morning cartoon feel that we all grew up with. And then sometime in the late 80's Saturday morning cartoons started sucking.

'''STEPHAN:''' Yeah, they pretty much suck now, not to mention cartoons are on, like, all day now. Morning, afternoon, weekend...

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah, it's hard to find the good amidst all the bad.

'''STEPHAN:''' I agree, and I also think its due to the same thing we talked about before, the characters aren't developed in a way that you can associate with them.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' When we talked to Cartoon Network... they said they were ''not'' looking for character-based humor, and more towards situational humor where any character could be plugged into a given scenario.

'''STEPHAN:''' Hmm, I didn't know that. I personally get enough with the sitcoms on TV, I don't need cartoon sitcoms too.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Strong Bad and Homestar could sit and talk about anything and it would be funny because they are funny characters, I think.

'''STEPHAN:''' I agree. Just listening to them talk is funny.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' We are hoping to make Cartoon Network kick themselves in the *** for passing on us.

'''STEPHAN:''' Did you have a deal in the works with them?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' They contacted us and we had a couple meetings with them, but they ultimately said "no thanks."

'''STEPHAN:''' That's unfortunate. I'm amazed that they would even go that far. With all that stuff out there on the Internet, it can be pretty hard to get deals with larger companies.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah. Since I'm in Atlanta, there were some friends of friends that turned them on to the site. This was in its infancy, April of 2000. The site and characters have developed a lot since then.

'''STEPHAN:''' I'm sure somewhere down the road you could get another deal if you wanted to. Speaking of other sites, what other sites or comics do you read or use for inspiration?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Hmmmmm, there's a good online cartoon called Joe Paradise at wildbrain.com. I think its my favorite. Looks cool and is not trying to be funny, which is nice sometimes. Most cartoons go for the lowest brow humor possible. This one is actually telling a story. It's twelve episodes all connected.

'''STEPHAN:''' I'm not familiar with that site, looks pretty neat. I think the art of storytelling is dying off, and it's MTV and the Internet that is partially to blame for shorter attention spans.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Indeed. If an Internet cartoon doesn't have me interested in the first 20 seconds, I'm gone. So I'm part of the problem.

'''STEPHAN:''' Is that why you have so many different homepages on the site? To seize those twenty seconds that you get?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah. New stuff. Changing stuff.

'''STEPHAN:''' I love the secret Strong Bad homepage.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Good job on finding it. We keep meaning to add more secret phrases to the Homestar Talker that would have all sorts of secret stuff.

'''STEPHAN:''' I love the Talker, I can't get enough of the voices.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' We've been tempted to just make a Talker for everyone.

'''STEPHAN:''' Homestar's "all right" is too much.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Aw-wight!

'''STEPHAN:''' That and "Pom Pom, you so cwaaazy". I always wondered why he had no hands, though.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Oh, the no hands thing. I don't know. That's just the way I drew him. We're doing "DVD versions" of ''King of Town'' and ''Yello Dello'' toons, with deleted scenes, Strong Bad commentary, storyboards, etc.

'''STEPHAN:''' Wow, that sounds great. That pretty much answers my "What are your future plans?" question. Is that the next thing you will be adding? Or are we going to see a few new cartoons first?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah, those two things and a new menu page next week.

'''STEPHAN:''' Awesome, I'm looking forward to that. Do you really storyboard out all your cartoons?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah. Most of 'em.

'''STEPHAN:''' Then do you use a tablet to drawn them? What is the usual process for creating one?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Either scanning in drawings and vectorizing them, drawing in Illustrator, or drawing in Flash. A little of each.

'''STEPHAN:''' Ah, cool. I'm experimenting with vector art myself right now.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' I love vectors! Oh yes. Marzipan just got here.

'''STEPHAN:''' Oh yeah, speaking of Marzipan, the question I know everyone wants to know: When are Homestar and Marzipan going to get it on?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Lemme ask her. "It's gonna be awhile," says Marzipan. "A looooong time" she says.

'''STEPHAN:''' So, in other words, don't hold my breath.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Wight...

'''STEPHAN:''' Have you ever had a Bronco Trolley?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' ''Yes!'' And they are good!

'''STEPHAN:''' I never would have thought. I must try one, then.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' I had a dream with them right when the site started. So that's why I made the game, but never ate one until about a month ago. I was missing out! Thems are good!

'''STEPHAN:''' So you came up with them in a dream?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah.

'''STEPHAN:''' Wow, that's pretty nutty. The other day I made the Poopsmith's super deluxe you-know-what cookies and they taste like ****. What gives?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Oh. Sorry 'bout that. Strong Bad's little joke on the rest of us. I made some, too.

'''STEPHAN:''' Yes, quite the adventure, I must say.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' I found out yesterday that someone has registered strongbad.com. A future goal was for him to have his own site.

'''STEPHAN:''' Whoa. Do you think they are a fan of the site?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' I dunno, but coachz.com is taken too.

'''STEPHAN:''' That's a bummer.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' ********.

'''STEPHAN:''' I would love to see a Strong Bad site. It's a toss up between him and Homestar, I can't decide who's funnier.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' I know. It was gonna have a different feel. More Strong Bad-dy. Most people seem to like Strong Bad best. As Homestar gets dumber, people seem to like him more. Originally he wasn't that dumb.

'''STEPHAN:''' Yes I was just going to say that Strong Bad is smarter in his insults, whereas Homestar just kind of runs around doing his thing.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah. He's oblivious.

'''STEPHAN:''' But that's what makes him so funny.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Oh. Did you ever see the wrestling cartoon?

'''STEPHAN:''' Don't think so.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' It's been off the site for a while now. You can see it at www.robofilms.com in the archives section. It's called ''Marshmallow's Last Stand''. It was the first cartoon we did for the site.

'''STEPHAN:''' Oh yeah, the art is really different in those. You can tell it's older.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah, that's why we took it off the site. The characters are completely different. Saying and doing things they'd never do now.

'''STEPHAN:''' I didn't even notice it changed so much. They are growing as characters now, so I guess that's a good thing.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah, definitely. As we do new cartoons, little personality traits just sort of emerge. Like, Coach Z has made several old school rap references.

'''STEPHAN:''' I think you should have more of the older stuff on the site. It's fun to follow along the growth of the characters and to see them change. For example I really like the older intros, they had more of a song feel to it.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' That's pretty much the only old thing that's not in the museum. I guess I should go ahead and put it in. Interesting about the intros. You don't like the "everybody" song better?

'''STEPHAN:''' Oh, I think its great too. Especially with Homestar singing at the end.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Okay. Good. Everybody, la-dee-daw-dee-daw.

'''STEPHAN:''' Did you do that music yourself?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah. There's a Fatboy Slim song on the bowling page, and Frampton in Strong Bad's menu page. But the rest is ours. We gotta get rid of those eventually.

'''STEPHAN:''' Very cool. I love the songs. I think I'm going to wrap it up now, it was great chatting with you. Thanks for your time.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' No problem. Thanks a lot.

'''STEPHAN:''' I love the site, keep up the good work.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Thanks a bunch.

[[Category:Interviews and Public Appearances]]

l33t Interview

2005-10-24T06:49:59Z

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Stephan, at [http://www.wtfiml33t.com WTFiml33t.com], interviewed [[Mike Chapman]] to find out more about [[Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)|Homestar Runner]] and [[The Brothers Chaps]].

== Transcript ==
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'''STEPHAN:''' State your name for the record, please.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Mike Chapman!

'''STEPHAN:''' How long has Homestarrunner.com been up?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Since January of 2000. A nice clean starting point.

'''STEPHAN:''' Yes, nicely planned. I think I stumbled on the site in the fall of 2000. For somebody that has never heard of the site, how would you describe it?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Tough question... um, a site with lots of cartoons and games and characters and no banner ads or pop-up ads or crap like that. It is aimed at twenty-somethings and college type kids but can be enjoyed by little tykes as well.

'''STEPHAN:''' Hmm, why would you say its aimed at twenty-somethings? I didn't find anything particularly adult in content. Unless I'm missing something.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' A lot of references to things in the eighties, not a lot, but some. Most of our audience is either college-aged kids or people that are out of college, judging by the emails we get.

'''STEPHAN:''' I see, so do you get a lot of visitors and fan mail?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' We get about a thousand viewers a day. We get five or ten mails a day.

'''STEPHAN:''' I don't get any fan mail. I feel so unloved.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' So are things busy over at wtfiml33t?

'''STEPHAN:''' Yeah. Quite busy.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Where are you?

'''STEPHAN:''' NYC.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' I see. That's where my brother Matt is. He does all the voices for Homestar.

'''STEPHAN:''' Aha. I love the voices. He does every characters' voices?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah. Except Marzipan which my girlfriend Missy does.

'''STEPHAN:''' I was going to say he does a damn good girl impression.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' That would be impressive.

'''STEPHAN:''' Impressive, and slightly scary I would say.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yes.

'''STEPHAN:''' You said your brother Matt does the voices, what do you do?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' I do most everything else: graphics, animation, programming. He does some of that too, but he has a real job and I freelance, so I have way more free time than he.

'''STEPHAN:''' Do you guys work on the stories together, or is that mainly yours?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah, that writing is pretty much 50/50.

'''STEPHAN:''' I think the jumping jack competition has to be one of my favorites.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Good. I'm glad you like it. I sometimes wonder if it is too long.

'''STEPHAN:''' Oh no, I think they are a good length.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Good. I wonder no more.

'''STEPHAN:''' They are funny stuff, so it's not like I get bored while watching it. You don't really see that many online comics that do 'episodes' per se, so I think its a good change to see a slightly longer style cartoon, although I could imagine that is due to the amount of work that goes into each episode. How long would you say, on average. it takes you to put out a new cartoon?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah. Cartoon Network online and such don't do a very good job of creating a character and having several episodes about him/her. They have lots of cartoons about lots of different characters.

'''STEPHAN:''' They don't really develop the characters, so you can't get attached to them. I think that is part of the attraction of cartoons, watching them every Saturday morning and following the character's next adventure.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Exactly. A full episode probably takes between one and two months, mostly because it is a spare-time affair. If we both worked fulltime, we could probably do an episode every two weeks or so.

'''STEPHAN:''' Wow, I wouldn't mind that at all!

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Hopefully, someday. I'm glad you mentioned the Saturday morning thing.

'''STEPHAN:''' Why's that?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' This is another reason I feel it's aimed at twenty-somethings. I like to think it has that Saturday morning cartoon feel that we all grew up with. And then sometime in the late 80's Saturday morning cartoons started sucking.

'''STEPHAN:''' Yeah, they pretty much suck now, not to mention cartoons are on, like, all day now. Morning, afternoon, weekend...

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah, it's hard to find the good amidst all the bad.

'''STEPHAN:''' I agree, and I also think its due to the same thing we talked about before, the characters aren't developed in a way that you can associate with them.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' When we talked to Cartoon Network... they said they were ''not'' looking for character-based humor, and more towards situational humor where any character could be plugged into a given scenario.

'''STEPHAN:''' Hmm, I didn't know that. I personally get enough with the sitcoms on TV, I don't need cartoon sitcoms too.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Strong Bad and Homestar could sit and talk about anything and it would be funny because they are funny characters, I think.

'''STEPHAN:''' I agree. Just listening to them talk is funny.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' We are hoping to make Cartoon Network kick themselves in the ass for passing on us.

'''STEPHAN:''' Did you have a deal in the works with them?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' They contacted us and we had a couple meetings with them, but they ultimately said "no thanks."

'''STEPHAN:''' That's unfortunate. I'm amazed that they would even go that far. With all that stuff out there on the Internet, it can be pretty hard to get deals with larger companies.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah. Since I'm in Atlanta, there were some friends of friends that turned them on to the site. This was in its infancy, April of 2000. The site and characters have developed a lot since then.

'''STEPHAN:''' I'm sure somewhere down the road you could get another deal if you wanted to. Speaking of other sites, what other sites or comics do you read or use for inspiration?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Hmmmmm, there's a good online cartoon called Joe Paradise at wildbrain.com. I think its my favorite. Looks cool and is not trying to be funny, which is nice sometimes. Most cartoons go for the lowest brow humor possible. This one is actually telling a story. It's twelve episodes all connected.

'''STEPHAN:''' I'm not familiar with that site, looks pretty neat. I think the art of storytelling is dying off, and it's MTV and the Internet that is partially to blame for shorter attention spans.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Indeed. If an Internet cartoon doesn't have me interested in the first 20 seconds, I'm gone. So I'm part of the problem.

'''STEPHAN:''' Is that why you have so many different homepages on the site? To seize those twenty seconds that you get?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah. New stuff. Changing stuff.

'''STEPHAN:''' I love the secret Strong Bad homepage.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Good job on finding it. We keep meaning to add more secret phrases to the Homestar Talker that would have all sorts of secret stuff.

'''STEPHAN:''' I love the Talker, I can't get enough of the voices.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' We've been tempted to just make a Talker for everyone.

'''STEPHAN:''' Homestar's "all right" is too much.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Aw-wight!

'''STEPHAN:''' That and "Pom Pom, you so cwaaazy". I always wondered why he had no hands, though.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Oh, the no hands thing. I don't know. That's just the way I drew him. We're doing "DVD versions" of ''King of Town'' and ''Yello Dello'' toons, with deleted scenes, Strong Bad commentary, storyboards, etc.

'''STEPHAN:''' Wow, that sounds great. That pretty much answers my "What are your future plans?" question. Is that the next thing you will be adding? Or are we going to see a few new cartoons first?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah, those two things and a new menu page next week.

'''STEPHAN:''' Awesome, I'm looking forward to that. Do you really storyboard out all your cartoons?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah. Most of 'em.

'''STEPHAN:''' Then do you use a tablet to drawn them? What is the usual process for creating one?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Either scanning in drawings and vectorizing them, drawing in Illustrator, or drawing in Flash. A little of each.

'''STEPHAN:''' Ah, cool. I'm experimenting with vector art myself right now.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' I love vectors! Oh yes. Marzipan just got here.

'''STEPHAN:''' Oh yeah, speaking of Marzipan, the question I know everyone wants to know: When are Homestar and Marzipan going to get it on?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Lemme ask her. "It's gonna be awhile," says Marzipan. "A looooong time" she says.

'''STEPHAN:''' So, in other words, don't hold my breath.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Wight...

'''STEPHAN:''' Have you ever had a Bronco Trolley?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' ''Yes!'' And they are good!

'''STEPHAN:''' I never would have thought. I must try one, then.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' I had a dream with them right when the site started. So that's why I made the game, but never ate one until about a month ago. I was missing out! Thems are good!

'''STEPHAN:''' So you came up with them in a dream?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah.

'''STEPHAN:''' Wow, that's pretty nutty. The other day I made the Poopsmith's super deluxe you-know-what cookies and they taste like shit. What gives?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Oh. Sorry 'bout that. Strong Bad's little joke on the rest of us. I made some, too.

'''STEPHAN:''' Yes, quite the adventure, I must say.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' I found out yesterday that someone has registered strongbad.com. A future goal was for him to have his own site.

'''STEPHAN:''' Whoa. Do you think they are a fan of the site?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' I dunno, but coachz.com is taken too.

'''STEPHAN:''' That's a bummer.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Bastards

'''STEPHAN:''' I would love to see a Strong Bad site. It's a toss up between him and Homestar, I can't decide who's funnier.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' I know. It was gonna have a different feel. More Strong Bad-dy. Most people seem to like Strong Bad best. As Homestar gets dumber, people seem to like him more. Originally he wasn't that dumb.

'''STEPHAN:''' Yes I was just going to say that Strong Bad is smarter in his insults, whereas Homestar just kind of runs around doing his thing.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah. He's oblivious.

'''STEPHAN:''' But that's what makes him so funny.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Oh. Did you ever see the wrestling cartoon?

'''STEPHAN:''' Don't think so.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' It's been off the site for a while now. You can see it at www.robofilms.com in the archives section. It's called ''Marshmallow's Last Stand''. It was the first cartoon we did for the site.

'''STEPHAN:''' Oh yeah, the art is really different in those. You can tell it's older.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah, that's why we took it off the site. The characters are completely different. Saying and doing things they'd never do now.

'''STEPHAN:''' I didn't even notice it changed so much. They are growing as characters now, so I guess that's a good thing.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah, definitely. As we do new cartoons, little personality traits just sort of emerge. Like, Coach Z has made several old school rap references.

'''STEPHAN:''' I think you should have more of the older stuff on the site. It's fun to follow along the growth of the characters and to see them change. For example I really like the older intros, they had more of a song feel to it.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' That's pretty much the only old thing that's not in the museum. I guess I should go ahead and put it in. Interesting about the intros. You don't like the "everybody" song better?

'''STEPHAN:''' Oh, I think its great too. Especially with Homestar singing at the end.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Okay. Good. Everybody, la-dee-daw-dee-daw.

'''STEPHAN:''' Did you do that music yourself?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah. There's a Fatboy Slim song on the bowling page, and Frampton in Strong Bad's menu page. But the rest is ours. We gotta get rid of those eventually.

'''STEPHAN:''' Very cool. I love the songs. I think I'm going to wrap it up now, it was great chatting with you. Thanks for your time.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' No problem. Thanks a lot.

'''STEPHAN:''' I love the site, keep up the good work.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Thanks a bunch.

== External Links ==
*[http://www.wtfiml33t.com/viewarticle.php?artid=59&page=1 Read the l33t Interview]

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Talk:l33t Interview (censored)

2005-10-24T06:48:41Z

Rob: reply

Do we HONESTLY need this? I mean seriously, you guys, it's like, three swear words, balleet this crap.
[[User:67.160.39.151|67.160.39.151]] 22:49, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
:Hmmm I do agree that it is a little unnecessary...however, I must say that some viewers of Homestar Runner might not like or particularly enjoy the swears, mild as they are (I personally am not one of these people). I would suggest keeping it for now, mainly because it doesn't hurt and could possibly save some offensive..but I dunno. -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 22:57, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

:Yes, we do need this. If one wants to see a version of this interview without swear words, they can come here. [[User:Rainer|RAINER]][[User talk:Rainer|talk]] 03:57, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
::I second Rainer. -- '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]''''' 12:56, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
:::I third Rainer. I do not like coarse language at all, and one of the major reasons I'm a fan of HSR is because the language is so mild. Anyone who remembers me from the HRWiki forums will know that I used to HATE HSR, because the second thing I ever saw on it was [[trevor the vampire]], in which Strong Bad begins to type the F-word. This had me pretty convinced that HSR would be like so many other websites and contain gratuitous profanity, so I never visits the site again for months. With so many F-words and S-words on the internet, it's BEYOND difficult finding a good humor site which limits itself to "sucks" and "crap". So, yes, there should be some form of censorship in the interview. Either keep this page, or change the background color of the swears so that one needs to highlight them with the mouse to see them. [[User:mathgrant|mathgrant]]
:::If you don't like the swears, it's your choice not to read the interview. Similarly, it should be TBC's choice to use swears or not without being censored by some other site. I don't believe in making censored versions of anything. A warning is sufficient to alert you that you might not like what you are going to read. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 08:01, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::::I believe it is common courtesy to provide a censored version of an interview to our readers, especially on a family-friendly site like this. This page doesn't hurt anyone. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 06:48, 24 October 2005 (UTC)

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2005-10-24T06:46:55Z

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Tastes Like Chicken Interview

2005-10-24T06:45:23Z

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{{uncensored|Tastes Like Chicken Interview (censored)}}

[[Image:tlclogo.PNG|thumb|Tastes Like Chicken's logo]] '''Cast (in order of appearance):''' Wayne (Interviewer), [[Mike Chapman]], [[Matt Chapman]]

==Transcript==
'''WAYNE:''' I know Homestar Runner started off with a book you guys put together for a few friends, titled Homestar Runner Enters The Strongest Man In The World Contest. How did it progress from there to get where it is now?

'''MIKE:''' Well, the original story was from 1996. Matt was in school in Tallahassee, and I was in school in Athens. And for the next three-and-a-half years, nothing happened. It would pop up here and there; we’d write a little story or come up with an idea. Then we did that Mario Paint theme song video that’s on the site.

'''MATT:''' We did that for our older brother for Christmas one year.

'''MIKE:''' We did that in ‘97 or ‘98. But, for the most part, nothing happened. We were busy in school, making movies and art and crap like that. We moved back to Atlanta at about the same time, in late 1999, and we wanted to create a project to work on together. So we chose Homestar Runner. We discovered Flash, and we were blown away by how easily you could make good-looking cartoons.

'''MATT:''' What we ''thought'' were good-looking at the time.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}'' Right. So that started in January of 2000. And you can find the progression from there on the site.

'''WAYNE:''' So, you both did other stuff before. Mike, you used to take photography?

'''MIKE:''' Right.

'''WAYNE:''' And, Matt, you went to LSU for film?

'''MATT:''' FSU.

'''WAYNE:''' FSU. Sorry.

'''MIKE:''' I went to LSU for one year.

'''WAYNE:''' Cool. That shows how good I am at researching shit.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}''

'''WAYNE:''' So, do you guys still do photography and film at all, or do you just not have time for it, since Homestar Runner has totally taken over?

'''MATT:''' We don’t do it on the side. We try and incorporate the skills we learned in our schooling onto the site. But I don’t have film projects I’m working on, and Mike’s not working in a darkroom.

'''WAYNE:''' What type of photography did you used to do, Mike?

'''MIKE:''' I did color stuff. The program I was in at the University of Georgia was primarily fine art oriented, as opposed to commercial--

'''MATT:''' Olan Mills studio portrait-style.

'''WAYNE:''' ''{laughs}''

'''MIKE:''' My degree was for to be an artist, not to be a professional photographer. And that’s when I dropped out of grad school. I didn’t have the desire or the skills to be a commercial photographer. I did all natural ambient light settings, used 35mm, and had 30-second exposures. So my style was not applicable to earning very much money, unless a lot of people were going to be buying my art.

'''WAYNE:''' Did you stick mainly to 35mm? I ask because my degree is in photography as well.

'''MIKE:''' Oh, nice. We had to take a medium and large-format class. But the only camera I have is a 35mm. And then in graduate school I started using a lot of disposable cameras and Polaroid.

'''WAYNE:''' Yeah. Getting away from what people think photography is.

'''MIKE:''' Exactly.

'''WAYNE:''' I hear ya. So did all the schooling and training prepare you for the world you’re in now? Because I went to art school, too, and then I started the paper. But I knew nothing about the business aspect of it, which I think is equally as important as the creative aspect.

'''MIKE:''' Right.

'''WAYNE:''' So do you feel that what you guys got out of school prepared you for where you are now? Or did you have to learn a lot on the way?

'''MIKE:''' We didn’t learn a lot of the business crap. But I definitely feel that what I learned in art school is applicable, whether or not it’s just the actual visuals: composition, colors, and crap like that. Just in making stuff that looks pretty and appealing to the eye.

'''MATT:''' Yeah. But in terms of the preparedness, we’ve just been winging it for the last three years, for the most part. Just taking stuff as it comes. We’re prepared for doing the creative stuff, sure. But in terms of the business, we’re just making it up as we go. We didn’t set out to,.. you know. It’s not like we were like, “We’re going to make a cartoon on the web so that TV people will come to us, and then we’ll pitch a cartoon.” We weren’t trying to make it something that we were going to support ourselves on either. We were just making it as a hobby. But then it was like, “Oh crap. A lot of people are buying t-shirts, so I can quit my job.” We’re definitely learning as we go. And as far as business goes, we’ve got a business dude. So we learned a lot of it peripherally. We like big, broad strokes of it, instead of the boring, meeting-type crap. Don’t give me any hand-outs. ''{laughs}''

'''WAYNE:''' ''{laughs}''

'''MATT:''' Our dad and our business guy both are very good at making lots and lots of spreadsheets,.. which they’ll show you.

'''WAYNE:''' ''{laughs}'' So, you guys just started off doing it for fun and just to do it, but was there any one day or time in particular when you just stopped and realized how huge it had become?

'''MIKE:''' It was more of a gradual rise. I think the biggest spike came in September 2002.

'''MATT:''' Yeah. That was right when I quit my job, and it was just in time. Kids had just gotten back in school, like college and stuff, and I don’t know if it had been brewing over the summer or what, but we definitely saw a huge spike in terms of traffic to the site and selling shirts. We started getting more emails, and Strong Bad started getting more emails. So that was the biggest in terms of there being a jump. But everything else has been gradual. We just learned last month that Beck links to us on his website. So that was really fucking cool.

'''WAYNE:''' Awesome. Yeah, we interviewed Marilyn Manson last October--

'''MATT:''' ''{laughs}'' Awesome.

'''WAYNE:''' --and we were trying to do this whole Manson issue, because I had interviewed Charles Manson, which was the easier of the two interviews to get, if you can fucking believe that.

'''MATT:''' ''{laughs}''

'''MIKE:''' Of course.

'''WAYNE:''' So, thanks to a friend of mine, Cyril, we ended up doing this interview with Marilyn Manson. And he ended up putting a link to our site on his site. So I was checking the web stats everyday, and we were averaging, at the time, somewhere around 2,000 hits a day. But one day I go to check the stats and we had jumped to 40,000 in one day.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}''

'''WAYNE:''' Yeah. It was crazy. So, you guys have somewhat of a pseudo-celebrity status right now, but you don’t have recognizable faces, because the characters are what’s put out there. Do you like the privacy of that? Do you like being these guys that a lot of people know about, but yet remaining faceless?

'''MIKE:''' I think it’s nice, to a degree. But one of the drawbacks of it is that, up until recently, we hadn’t really met any fans face-to-face. We get emails from people, but it’s nice to meet people. Like, if you’re in a band, you’re playing in front of people, so you get to see the people and talk to them. You get to interact with them in a more real way than just email. But I don’t think if people knew what we looked like we’d have to worry about people recognizing us or anything like that. But it is nice to meet people. I don’t want to continue to be faceless and not let people know what we look like.

'''WAYNE:''' So, kind of in line with that, kind of the way (Mike) Judge is to Beavis and Butt-head, John K. is to Ren and Stimpy, or Trey and Matt are to South Park, the Brothers Chaps are to Homestar Runner. Does it bother you guys that, with anything you do after this, you’ll be referred to as the “Homestar Runner guys”?

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}''

'''MATT:''' At this point, no. I’m still proud of it. Actually, you know, I’ll be surprised if they call us the “Homestar Runner guys” and not the “Strong Bad guys”.

'''WAYNE:''' Yeah. That’s true.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}''

'''MATT:''' I’ll welcome it if they call us the “Homestar Runner guys”. Or they might call us the “Trogdor guys”, which would be more accurate at this point. But that’s what’s cool about doing it ourselves. It’s not like it’s going to sell-out; it’s not going to be like,... A few weeks ago, me and Mike went to Target and we were in the pool toys section. And there was an entire wall of SpongeBob pool toys. They had every kind of thing you could think of, and it didn’t even look like SpongeBob; it just had pants and was yellow. And that’s just disgusting. And if that was out there, and people kept calling me the “SpongeBob guy”, I’d probably be pissed off.

'''WAYNE:''' Exactly.

'''MATT:''' We’re always going to maintain this level of integrity. I think it is something that we’ll always be proud of, so if that’s all they remember me for, that’s cool. And, hopefully, we’ll end up doing other stuff, too. But at this point, I stand by it.

'''WAYNE:''' With that being said, you guys have made a lot of conscious decisions with the site, like no ad banners, and it doesn’t resort to swearing to get a joke across. What are the reasons behind the decisions? I mean, no one wants to say, “I want to sell-out and have my shit all over Target.” No one is going to say that, although a lot of people will do it.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}''

'''WAYNE:''' But what are the reasons behind keeping the site ad-free and making it clean enough for kids to view?

'''MIKE:''' The ad thing was something we decided early on. The site is a window within this black screen, so it already separates itself from your browser. And we did this to make it in its own world, and not relate it to anything else. We didn’t want any distractions, whether it was a banner ad or pop-up crap or swirling things all over the place. Once you’re there, you’re there. And you know that everything you see there, you’re supposed to be seeing.

'''MATT:''' Yeah. We don’t even link to other sites. People will come to us and say, “Oh, we linked to your site. Will you link to us on yours?” And that’s really cool, and we’re not trying to be dicks about it, but we’re just trying to keep the site as a whole experience. Once you get to Homestar land, you’re in there. And, plus, it really goes back to the state of the web, which is actually worse now, in terms of ads and crap like that. But when we first started doing it, we were looking around at other Flash cartoons back in late ‘99, and there were ads everywhere. And you couldn’t even tell what was the cartoon and what wasn’t. So we decided that if we were going to do it, we were going to do it like that. And then, in terms of the wholesomeness of it all, at the time we started, everything on the web was South Park rip-offs and gross-out shock humor.

'''MIKE:''' “Look at this little cute cartoon character! It says swear words!”

'''MATT:''' Yeah. “He says ‘shit’, and looks like a country boy!”

'''WAYNE:''' ''{laughs}''

'''MATT:''' So we were just kind of sick of it. It’s like, South Park did it the best without ripping it off. So it was just more of a personal challenge.

'''MIKE:''' It’s really just more of our style, too. It wasn’t a super hard decision to make. We probably would have been doing it like this anyway. We’ve always leaned toward the more subtle type of humor, as opposed to over-the-top.

'''MATT:''' But when we get our sketch comedy show, dude, there’s going to be so many swears!

'''The remainder of the interview is under copyright, but can be viewed at the official site of the interview, listed under the external links.'''

==External Links==
*[http://www.tlchicken.com/view_story.php?ARTid=1374 Read the Original Transcript] (Contains some coarse language)

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l33t Interview

2005-10-24T06:45:02Z

Rob:

{{uncensored|l33t Interview (censored)}}

[[Image:wtflogo.PNG|thumb|"wtf i'm l33t" logo]]
Stephan, at [http://www.wtfiml33t.com WTFiml33t.com], interviewed [[Mike Chapman]] to find out more about [[Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)|Homestar Runner]] and [[The Brothers Chaps]].

== Transcript ==
'''STEPHAN:''' State your name for the record, please.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Mike Chapman!

'''STEPHAN:''' How long has Homestarrunner.com been up?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Since January of 2000. A nice clean starting point.

'''STEPHAN:''' Yes, nicely planned. I think I stumbled on the site in the fall of 2000. For somebody that has never heard of the site, how would you describe it?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Tough question... um, a site with lots of cartoons and games and characters and no banner ads or pop-up ads or crap like that. It is aimed at twenty-somethings and college type kids but can be enjoyed by little tykes as well.

'''STEPHAN:''' Hmm, why would you say its aimed at twenty-somethings? I didn't find anything particularly adult in content. Unless I'm missing something.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' A lot of references to things in the eighties, not a lot, but some. Most of our audience is either college-aged kids or people that are out of college, judging by the emails we get.

'''STEPHAN:''' I see, so do you get a lot of visitors and fan mail?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' We get about a thousand viewers a day. We get five or ten mails a day.

'''STEPHAN:''' I don't get any fan mail. I feel so unloved.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' So are things busy over at wtfiml33t?

'''STEPHAN:''' Yeah. Quite busy.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Where are you?

'''STEPHAN:''' NYC.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' I see. That's where my brother Matt is. He does all the voices for Homestar.

'''STEPHAN:''' Aha. I love the voices. He does every characters' voices?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah. Except Marzipan which my girlfriend Missy does.

'''STEPHAN:''' I was going to say he does a damn good girl impression.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' That would be impressive.

'''STEPHAN:''' Impressive, and slightly scary I would say.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yes.

'''STEPHAN:''' You said your brother Matt does the voices, what do you do?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' I do most everything else: graphics, animation, programming. He does some of that too, but he has a real job and I freelance, so I have way more free time than he.

'''STEPHAN:''' Do you guys work on the stories together, or is that mainly yours?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah, that writing is pretty much 50/50.

'''STEPHAN:''' I think the jumping jack competition has to be one of my favorites.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Good. I'm glad you like it. I sometimes wonder if it is too long.

'''STEPHAN:''' Oh no, I think they are a good length.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Good. I wonder no more.

'''STEPHAN:''' They are funny stuff, so it's not like I get bored while watching it. You don't really see that many online comics that do 'episodes' per se, so I think its a good change to see a slightly longer style cartoon, although I could imagine that is due to the amount of work that goes into each episode. How long would you say, on average. it takes you to put out a new cartoon?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah. Cartoon Network online and such don't do a very good job of creating a character and having several episodes about him/her. They have lots of cartoons about lots of different characters.

'''STEPHAN:''' They don't really develop the characters, so you can't get attached to them. I think that is part of the attraction of cartoons, watching them every Saturday morning and following the character's next adventure.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Exactly. A full episode probably takes between one and two months, mostly because it is a spare-time affair. If we both worked fulltime, we could probably do an episode every two weeks or so.

'''STEPHAN:''' Wow, I wouldn't mind that at all!

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Hopefully, someday. I'm glad you mentioned the Saturday morning thing.

'''STEPHAN:''' Why's that?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' This is another reason I feel it's aimed at twenty-somethings. I like to think it has that Saturday morning cartoon feel that we all grew up with. And then sometime in the late 80's Saturday morning cartoons started sucking.

'''STEPHAN:''' Yeah, they pretty much suck now, not to mention cartoons are on, like, all day now. Morning, afternoon, weekend...

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah, it's hard to find the good amidst all the bad.

'''STEPHAN:''' I agree, and I also think its due to the same thing we talked about before, the characters aren't developed in a way that you can associate with them.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' When we talked to Cartoon Network... they said they were ''not'' looking for character-based humor, and more towards situational humor where any character could be plugged into a given scenario.

'''STEPHAN:''' Hmm, I didn't know that. I personally get enough with the sitcoms on TV, I don't need cartoon sitcoms too.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Strong Bad and Homestar could sit and talk about anything and it would be funny because they are funny characters, I think.

'''STEPHAN:''' I agree. Just listening to them talk is funny.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' We are hoping to make Cartoon Network kick themselves in the ass for passing on us.

'''STEPHAN:''' Did you have a deal in the works with them?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' They contacted us and we had a couple meetings with them, but they ultimately said "no thanks."

'''STEPHAN:''' That's unfortunate. I'm amazed that they would even go that far. With all that stuff out there on the Internet, it can be pretty hard to get deals with larger companies.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah. Since I'm in Atlanta, there were some friends of friends that turned them on to the site. This was in its infancy, April of 2000. The site and characters have developed a lot since then.

'''STEPHAN:''' I'm sure somewhere down the road you could get another deal if you wanted to. Speaking of other sites, what other sites or comics do you read or use for inspiration?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Hmmmmm, there's a good online cartoon called Joe Paradise at wildbrain.com. I think its my favorite. Looks cool and is not trying to be funny, which is nice sometimes. Most cartoons go for the lowest brow humor possible. This one is actually telling a story. It's twelve episodes all connected.

'''STEPHAN:''' I'm not familiar with that site, looks pretty neat. I think the art of storytelling is dying off, and it's MTV and the Internet that is partially to blame for shorter attention spans.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Indeed. If an Internet cartoon doesn't have me interested in the first 20 seconds, I'm gone. So I'm part of the problem.

'''STEPHAN:''' Is that why you have so many different homepages on the site? To seize those twenty seconds that you get?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah. New stuff. Changing stuff.

'''STEPHAN:''' I love the secret Strong Bad homepage.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Good job on finding it. We keep meaning to add more secret phrases to the Homestar Talker that would have all sorts of secret stuff.

'''STEPHAN:''' I love the Talker, I can't get enough of the voices.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' We've been tempted to just make a Talker for everyone.

'''STEPHAN:''' Homestar's "all right" is too much.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Aw-wight!

'''STEPHAN:''' That and "Pom Pom, you so cwaaazy". I always wondered why he had no hands, though.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Oh, the no hands thing. I don't know. That's just the way I drew him. We're doing "DVD versions" of ''King of Town'' and ''Yello Dello'' toons, with deleted scenes, Strong Bad commentary, storyboards, etc.

'''STEPHAN:''' Wow, that sounds great. That pretty much answers my "What are your future plans?" question. Is that the next thing you will be adding? Or are we going to see a few new cartoons first?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah, those two things and a new menu page next week.

'''STEPHAN:''' Awesome, I'm looking forward to that. Do you really storyboard out all your cartoons?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah. Most of 'em.

'''STEPHAN:''' Then do you use a tablet to drawn them? What is the usual process for creating one?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Either scanning in drawings and vectorizing them, drawing in Illustrator, or drawing in Flash. A little of each.

'''STEPHAN:''' Ah, cool. I'm experimenting with vector art myself right now.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' I love vectors! Oh yes. Marzipan just got here.

'''STEPHAN:''' Oh yeah, speaking of Marzipan, the question I know everyone wants to know: When are Homestar and Marzipan going to get it on?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Lemme ask her. "It's gonna be awhile," says Marzipan. "A looooong time" she says.

'''STEPHAN:''' So, in other words, don't hold my breath.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Wight...

'''STEPHAN:''' Have you ever had a Bronco Trolley?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' ''Yes!'' And they are good!

'''STEPHAN:''' I never would have thought. I must try one, then.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' I had a dream with them right when the site started. So that's why I made the game, but never ate one until about a month ago. I was missing out! Thems are good!

'''STEPHAN:''' So you came up with them in a dream?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah.

'''STEPHAN:''' Wow, that's pretty nutty. The other day I made the Poopsmith's super deluxe you-know-what cookies and they taste like shit. What gives?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Oh. Sorry 'bout that. Strong Bad's little joke on the rest of us. I made some, too.

'''STEPHAN:''' Yes, quite the adventure, I must say.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' I found out yesterday that someone has registered strongbad.com. A future goal was for him to have his own site.

'''STEPHAN:''' Whoa. Do you think they are a fan of the site?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' I dunno, but coachz.com is taken too.

'''STEPHAN:''' That's a bummer.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Bastards

'''STEPHAN:''' I would love to see a Strong Bad site. It's a toss up between him and Homestar, I can't decide who's funnier.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' I know. It was gonna have a different feel. More Strong Bad-dy. Most people seem to like Strong Bad best. As Homestar gets dumber, people seem to like him more. Originally he wasn't that dumb.

'''STEPHAN:''' Yes I was just going to say that Strong Bad is smarter in his insults, whereas Homestar just kind of runs around doing his thing.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah. He's oblivious.

'''STEPHAN:''' But that's what makes him so funny.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Oh. Did you ever see the wrestling cartoon?

'''STEPHAN:''' Don't think so.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' It's been off the site for a while now. You can see it at www.robofilms.com in the archives section. It's called ''Marshmallow's Last Stand''. It was the first cartoon we did for the site.

'''STEPHAN:''' Oh yeah, the art is really different in those. You can tell it's older.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah, that's why we took it off the site. The characters are completely different. Saying and doing things they'd never do now.

'''STEPHAN:''' I didn't even notice it changed so much. They are growing as characters now, so I guess that's a good thing.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah, definitely. As we do new cartoons, little personality traits just sort of emerge. Like, Coach Z has made several old school rap references.

'''STEPHAN:''' I think you should have more of the older stuff on the site. It's fun to follow along the growth of the characters and to see them change. For example I really like the older intros, they had more of a song feel to it.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' That's pretty much the only old thing that's not in the museum. I guess I should go ahead and put it in. Interesting about the intros. You don't like the "everybody" song better?

'''STEPHAN:''' Oh, I think its great too. Especially with Homestar singing at the end.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Okay. Good. Everybody, la-dee-daw-dee-daw.

'''STEPHAN:''' Did you do that music yourself?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah. There's a Fatboy Slim song on the bowling page, and Frampton in Strong Bad's menu page. But the rest is ours. We gotta get rid of those eventually.

'''STEPHAN:''' Very cool. I love the songs. I think I'm going to wrap it up now, it was great chatting with you. Thanks for your time.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' No problem. Thanks a lot.

'''STEPHAN:''' I love the site, keep up the good work.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Thanks a bunch.

== External Links ==
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Tastes Like Chicken Interview (censored)

2005-10-24T06:37:21Z

Rob:

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==Transcript==
'''WAYNE:''' I know Homestar Runner started off with a book you guys put together for a few friends, titled Homestar Runner Enters The Strongest Man In The World Contest. How did it progress from there to get where it is now?

'''MIKE:''' Well, the original story was from 1996. Matt was in school in Tallahassee, and I was in school in Athens. And for the next three-and-a-half years, nothing happened. It would pop up here and there; we’d write a little story or come up with an idea. Then we did that Mario Paint theme song video that’s on the site.

'''MATT:''' We did that for our older brother for Christmas one year.

'''MIKE:''' We did that in ‘97 or ‘98. But, for the most part, nothing happened. We were busy in school, making movies and art and crap like that. We moved back to Atlanta at about the same time, in late 1999, and we wanted to create a project to work on together. So we chose Homestar Runner. We discovered Flash, and we were blown away by how easily you could make good-looking cartoons.

'''MATT:''' What we ''thought'' were good-looking at the time.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}'' Right. So that started in January of 2000. And you can find the progression from there on the site.

'''WAYNE:''' So, you both did other stuff before. Mike, you used to take photography?

'''MIKE:''' Right.

'''WAYNE:''' And, Matt, you went to LSU for film?

'''MATT:''' FSU.

'''WAYNE:''' FSU. Sorry.

'''MIKE:''' I went to LSU for one year.

'''WAYNE:''' Cool. That shows how good I am at researching ****.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}''

'''WAYNE:''' So, do you guys still do photography and film at all, or do you just not have time for it, since Homestar Runner has totally taken over?

'''MATT:''' We don’t do it on the side. We try and incorporate the skills we learned in our schooling onto the site. But I don’t have film projects I’m working on, and Mike’s not working in a darkroom.

'''WAYNE:''' What type of photography did you used to do, Mike?

'''MIKE:''' I did color stuff. The program I was in at the University of Georgia was primarily fine art oriented, as opposed to commercial--

'''MATT:''' Olan Mills studio portrait-style.

'''WAYNE:''' ''{laughs}''

'''MIKE:''' My degree was for to be an artist, not to be a professional photographer. And that’s when I dropped out of grad school. I didn’t have the desire or the skills to be a commercial photographer. I did all natural ambient light settings, used 35mm, and had 30-second exposures. So my style was not applicable to earning very much money, unless a lot of people were going to be buying my art.

'''WAYNE:''' Did you stick mainly to 35mm? I ask because my degree is in photography as well.

'''MIKE:''' Oh, nice. We had to take a medium and large-format class. But the only camera I have is a 35mm. And then in graduate school I started using a lot of disposable cameras and Polaroid.

'''WAYNE:''' Yeah. Getting away from what people think photography is.

'''MIKE:''' Exactly.

'''WAYNE:''' I hear ya. So did all the schooling and training prepare you for the world you’re in now? Because I went to art school, too, and then I started the paper. But I knew nothing about the business aspect of it, which I think is equally as important as the creative aspect.

'''MIKE:''' Right.

'''WAYNE:''' So do you feel that what you guys got out of school prepared you for where you are now? Or did you have to learn a lot on the way?

'''MIKE:''' We didn’t learn a lot of the business crap. But I definitely feel that what I learned in art school is applicable, whether or not it’s just the actual visuals: composition, colors, and crap like that. Just in making stuff that looks pretty and appealing to the eye.

'''MATT:''' Yeah. But in terms of the preparedness, we’ve just been winging it for the last three years, for the most part. Just taking stuff as it comes. We’re prepared for doing the creative stuff, sure. But in terms of the business, we’re just making it up as we go. We didn’t set out to,.. you know. It’s not like we were like, “We’re going to make a cartoon on the web so that TV people will come to us, and then we’ll pitch a cartoon.” We weren’t trying to make it something that we were going to support ourselves on either. We were just making it as a hobby. But then it was like, “Oh crap. A lot of people are buying t-shirts, so I can quit my job.” We’re definitely learning as we go. And as far as business goes, we’ve got a business dude. So we learned a lot of it peripherally. We like big, broad strokes of it, instead of the boring, meeting-type crap. Don’t give me any hand-outs. ''{laughs}''

'''WAYNE:''' ''{laughs}''

'''MATT:''' Our dad and our business guy both are very good at making lots and lots of spreadsheets,.. which they’ll show you.

'''WAYNE:''' ''{laughs}'' So, you guys just started off doing it for fun and just to do it, but was there any one day or time in particular when you just stopped and realized how huge it had become?

'''MIKE:''' It was more of a gradual rise. I think the biggest spike came in September 2002.

'''MATT:''' Yeah. That was right when I quit my job, and it was just in time. Kids had just gotten back in school, like college and stuff, and I don’t know if it had been brewing over the summer or what, but we definitely saw a huge spike in terms of traffic to the site and selling shirts. We started getting more emails, and Strong Bad started getting more emails. So that was the biggest in terms of there being a jump. But everything else has been gradual. We just learned last month that Beck links to us on his website. So that was really ******* cool.

'''WAYNE:''' Awesome. Yeah, we interviewed Marilyn Manson last October--

'''MATT:''' ''{laughs}'' Awesome.

'''WAYNE:''' --and we were trying to do this whole Manson issue, because I had interviewed Charles Manson, which was the easier of the two interviews to get, if you can ******* believe that.

'''MATT:''' ''{laughs}''

'''MIKE:''' Of course.

'''WAYNE:''' So, thanks to a friend of mine, Cyril, we ended up doing this interview with Marilyn Manson. And he ended up putting a link to our site on his site. So I was checking the web stats everyday, and we were averaging, at the time, somewhere around 2,000 hits a day. But one day I go to check the stats and we had jumped to 40,000 in one day.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}''

'''WAYNE:''' Yeah. It was crazy. So, you guys have somewhat of a pseudo-celebrity status right now, but you don’t have recognizable faces, because the characters are what’s put out there. Do you like the privacy of that? Do you like being these guys that a lot of people know about, but yet remaining faceless?

'''MIKE:''' I think it’s nice, to a degree. But one of the drawbacks of it is that, up until recently, we hadn’t really met any fans face-to-face. We get emails from people, but it’s nice to meet people. Like, if you’re in a band, you’re playing in front of people, so you get to see the people and talk to them. You get to interact with them in a more real way than just email. But I don’t think if people knew what we looked like we’d have to worry about people recognizing us or anything like that. But it is nice to meet people. I don’t want to continue to be faceless and not let people know what we look like.

'''WAYNE:''' So, kind of in line with that, kind of the way (Mike) Judge is to Beavis and Butt-head, John K. is to Ren and Stimpy, or Trey and Matt are to South Park, the Brothers Chaps are to Homestar Runner. Does it bother you guys that, with anything you do after this, you’ll be referred to as the “Homestar Runner guys”?

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}''

'''MATT:''' At this point, no. I’m still proud of it. Actually, you know, I’ll be surprised if they call us the “Homestar Runner guys” and not the “Strong Bad guys”.

'''WAYNE:''' Yeah. That’s true.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}''

'''MATT:''' I’ll welcome it if they call us the “Homestar Runner guys”. Or they might call us the “Trogdor guys”, which would be more accurate at this point. But that’s what’s cool about doing it ourselves. It’s not like it’s going to sell-out; it’s not going to be like,... A few weeks ago, me and Mike went to Target and we were in the pool toys section. And there was an entire wall of SpongeBob pool toys. They had every kind of thing you could think of, and it didn’t even look like SpongeBob; it just had pants and was yellow. And that’s just disgusting. And if that was out there, and people kept calling me the “SpongeBob guy”, I’d probably be ****** off.

'''WAYNE:''' Exactly.

'''MATT:''' We’re always going to maintain this level of integrity. I think it is something that we’ll always be proud of, so if that’s all they remember me for, that’s cool. And, hopefully, we’ll end up doing other stuff, too. But at this point, I stand by it.

'''WAYNE:''' With that being said, you guys have made a lot of conscious decisions with the site, like no ad banners, and it doesn’t resort to swearing to get a joke across. What are the reasons behind the decisions? I mean, no one wants to say, “I want to sell-out and have my **** all over Target.” No one is going to say that, although a lot of people will do it.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}''

'''WAYNE:''' But what are the reasons behind keeping the site ad-free and making it clean enough for kids to view?

'''MIKE:''' The ad thing was something we decided early on. The site is a window within this black screen, so it already separates itself from your browser. And we did this to make it in its own world, and not relate it to anything else. We didn’t want any distractions, whether it was a banner ad or pop-up crap or swirling things all over the place. Once you’re there, you’re there. And you know that everything you see there, you’re supposed to be seeing.

'''MATT:''' Yeah. We don’t even link to other sites. People will come to us and say, “Oh, we linked to your site. Will you link to us on yours?” And that’s really cool, and we’re not trying to be ***** about it, but we’re just trying to keep the site as a whole experience. Once you get to Homestar land, you’re in there. And, plus, it really goes back to the state of the web, which is actually worse now, in terms of ads and crap like that. But when we first started doing it, we were looking around at other Flash cartoons back in late ‘99, and there were ads everywhere. And you couldn’t even tell what was the cartoon and what wasn’t. So we decided that if we were going to do it, we were going to do it like that. And then, in terms of the wholesomeness of it all, at the time we started, everything on the web was South Park rip-offs and gross-out shock humor.

'''MIKE:''' “Look at this little cute cartoon character! It says swear words!”

'''MATT:''' Yeah. “He says ‘****’, and looks like a country boy!”

'''WAYNE:''' ''{laughs}''

'''MATT:''' So we were just kind of sick of it. It’s like, South Park did it the best without ripping it off. So it was just more of a personal challenge.

'''MIKE:''' It’s really just more of our style, too. It wasn’t a super hard decision to make. We probably would have been doing it like this anyway. We’ve always leaned toward the more subtle type of humor, as opposed to over-the-top.

'''MATT:''' But when we get our sketch comedy show, dude, there’s going to be so many swears!

'''The remainder of the interview is under copyright, but can be viewed at the official site of the interview, listed under the external links.'''

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l33t Interview (censored)

2005-10-24T06:37:12Z

Rob:

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== Transcript ==

[[Image:wtflogo.PNG|thumb|"wtf i'm l33t" logo]] '''STEPHAN:''' State your name for the record, please.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Mike Chapman!

'''STEPHAN:''' How long has Homestarrunner.com been up?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Since January of 2000. A nice clean starting point.

'''STEPHAN:''' Yes, nicely planned. I think I stumbled on the site in the fall of 2000. For somebody that has never heard of the site, how would you describe it?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Tough question... um, a site with lots of cartoons and games and characters and no banner ads or pop-up ads or crap like that. It is aimed at twenty-somethings and college type kids but can be enjoyed by little tykes as well.

'''STEPHAN:''' Hmm, why would you say its aimed at twenty-somethings? I didn't find anything particularly adult in content. Unless I'm missing something.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' A lot of references to things in the eighties, not a lot, but some. Most of our audience is either college-aged kids or people that are out of college, judging by the emails we get.

'''STEPHAN:''' I see, so do you get a lot of visitors and fan mail?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' We get about a thousand viewers a day. We get five or ten mails a day.

'''STEPHAN:''' I don't get any fan mail. I feel so unloved.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' So are things busy over at wtfiml33t?

'''STEPHAN:''' Yeah. Quite busy.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Where are you?

'''STEPHAN:''' NYC.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' I see. That's where my brother Matt is. He does all the voices for Homestar.

'''STEPHAN:''' Aha. I love the voices. He does every characters' voices?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah. Except Marzipan which my girlfriend Missy does.

'''STEPHAN:''' I was going to say he does a **** good girl impression.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' That would be impressive.

'''STEPHAN:''' Impressive, and slightly scary I would say.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yes.

'''STEPHAN:''' You said your brother Matt does the voices, what do you do?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' I do most everything else: graphics, animation, programming. He does some of that too, but he has a real job and I freelance, so I have way more free time than he.

'''STEPHAN:''' Do you guys work on the stories together, or is that mainly yours?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah, that writing is pretty much 50/50.

'''STEPHAN:''' I think the jumping jack competition has to be one of my favorites.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Good. I'm glad you like it. I sometimes wonder if it is too long.

'''STEPHAN:''' Oh no, I think they are a good length.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Good. I wonder no more.

'''STEPHAN:''' They are funny stuff, so it's not like I get bored while watching it. You don't really see that many online comics that do 'episodes' per se, so I think its a good change to see a slightly longer style cartoon, although I could imagine that is due to the amount of work that goes into each episode. How long would you say, on average. it takes you to put out a new cartoon?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah. Cartoon Network online and such don't do a very good job of creating a character and having several episodes about him/her. They have lots of cartoons about lots of different characters.

'''STEPHAN:''' They don't really develop the characters, so you can't get attached to them. I think that is part of the attraction of cartoons, watching them every Saturday morning and following the character's next adventure.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Exactly. A full episode probably takes between one and two months, mostly because it is a spare-time affair. If we both worked fulltime, we could probably do an episode every two weeks or so.

'''STEPHAN:''' Wow, I wouldn't mind that at all!

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Hopefully, someday. I'm glad you mentioned the Saturday morning thing.

'''STEPHAN:''' Why's that?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' This is another reason I feel it's aimed at twenty-somethings. I like to think it has that Saturday morning cartoon feel that we all grew up with. And then sometime in the late 80's Saturday morning cartoons started sucking.

'''STEPHAN:''' Yeah, they pretty much suck now, not to mention cartoons are on, like, all day now. Morning, afternoon, weekend...

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah, it's hard to find the good amidst all the bad.

'''STEPHAN:''' I agree, and I also think its due to the same thing we talked about before, the characters aren't developed in a way that you can associate with them.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' When we talked to Cartoon Network... they said they were ''not'' looking for character-based humor, and more towards situational humor where any character could be plugged into a given scenario.

'''STEPHAN:''' Hmm, I didn't know that. I personally get enough with the sitcoms on TV, I don't need cartoon sitcoms too.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Strong Bad and Homestar could sit and talk about anything and it would be funny because they are funny characters, I think.

'''STEPHAN:''' I agree. Just listening to them talk is funny.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' We are hoping to make Cartoon Network kick themselves in the *** for passing on us.

'''STEPHAN:''' Did you have a deal in the works with them?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' They contacted us and we had a couple meetings with them, but they ultimately said "no thanks."

'''STEPHAN:''' That's unfortunate. I'm amazed that they would even go that far. With all that stuff out there on the Internet, it can be pretty hard to get deals with larger companies.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah. Since I'm in Atlanta, there were some friends of friends that turned them on to the site. This was in its infancy, April of 2000. The site and characters have developed a lot since then.

'''STEPHAN:''' I'm sure somewhere down the road you could get another deal if you wanted to. Speaking of other sites, what other sites or comics do you read or use for inspiration?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Hmmmmm, there's a good online cartoon called Joe Paradise at wildbrain.com. I think its my favorite. Looks cool and is not trying to be funny, which is nice sometimes. Most cartoons go for the lowest brow humor possible. This one is actually telling a story. It's twelve episodes all connected.

'''STEPHAN:''' I'm not familiar with that site, looks pretty neat. I think the art of storytelling is dying off, and it's MTV and the Internet that is partially to blame for shorter attention spans.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Indeed. If an Internet cartoon doesn't have me interested in the first 20 seconds, I'm gone. So I'm part of the problem.

'''STEPHAN:''' Is that why you have so many different homepages on the site? To seize those twenty seconds that you get?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah. New stuff. Changing stuff.

'''STEPHAN:''' I love the secret Strong Bad homepage.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Good job on finding it. We keep meaning to add more secret phrases to the Homestar Talker that would have all sorts of secret stuff.

'''STEPHAN:''' I love the Talker, I can't get enough of the voices.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' We've been tempted to just make a Talker for everyone.

'''STEPHAN:''' Homestar's "all right" is too much.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Aw-wight!

'''STEPHAN:''' That and "Pom Pom, you so cwaaazy". I always wondered why he had no hands, though.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Oh, the no hands thing. I don't know. That's just the way I drew him. We're doing "DVD versions" of ''King of Town'' and ''Yello Dello'' toons, with deleted scenes, Strong Bad commentary, storyboards, etc.

'''STEPHAN:''' Wow, that sounds great. That pretty much answers my "What are your future plans?" question. Is that the next thing you will be adding? Or are we going to see a few new cartoons first?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah, those two things and a new menu page next week.

'''STEPHAN:''' Awesome, I'm looking forward to that. Do you really storyboard out all your cartoons?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah. Most of 'em.

'''STEPHAN:''' Then do you use a tablet to drawn them? What is the usual process for creating one?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Either scanning in drawings and vectorizing them, drawing in Illustrator, or drawing in Flash. A little of each.

'''STEPHAN:''' Ah, cool. I'm experimenting with vector art myself right now.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' I love vectors! Oh yes. Marzipan just got here.

'''STEPHAN:''' Oh yeah, speaking of Marzipan, the question I know everyone wants to know: When are Homestar and Marzipan going to get it on?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Lemme ask her. "It's gonna be awhile," says Marzipan. "A looooong time" she says.

'''STEPHAN:''' So, in other words, don't hold my breath.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Wight...

'''STEPHAN:''' Have you ever had a Bronco Trolley?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' ''Yes!'' And they are good!

'''STEPHAN:''' I never would have thought. I must try one, then.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' I had a dream with them right when the site started. So that's why I made the game, but never ate one until about a month ago. I was missing out! Thems are good!

'''STEPHAN:''' So you came up with them in a dream?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah.

'''STEPHAN:''' Wow, that's pretty nutty. The other day I made the Poopsmith's super deluxe you-know-what cookies and they taste like ****. What gives?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Oh. Sorry 'bout that. Strong Bad's little joke on the rest of us. I made some, too.

'''STEPHAN:''' Yes, quite the adventure, I must say.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' I found out yesterday that someone has registered strongbad.com. A future goal was for him to have his own site.

'''STEPHAN:''' Whoa. Do you think they are a fan of the site?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' I dunno, but coachz.com is taken too.

'''STEPHAN:''' That's a bummer.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' ********.

'''STEPHAN:''' I would love to see a Strong Bad site. It's a toss up between him and Homestar, I can't decide who's funnier.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' I know. It was gonna have a different feel. More Strong Bad-dy. Most people seem to like Strong Bad best. As Homestar gets dumber, people seem to like him more. Originally he wasn't that dumb.

'''STEPHAN:''' Yes I was just going to say that Strong Bad is smarter in his insults, whereas Homestar just kind of runs around doing his thing.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah. He's oblivious.

'''STEPHAN:''' But that's what makes him so funny.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Oh. Did you ever see the wrestling cartoon?

'''STEPHAN:''' Don't think so.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' It's been off the site for a while now. You can see it at www.robofilms.com in the archives section. It's called ''Marshmallow's Last Stand''. It was the first cartoon we did for the site.

'''STEPHAN:''' Oh yeah, the art is really different in those. You can tell it's older.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah, that's why we took it off the site. The characters are completely different. Saying and doing things they'd never do now.

'''STEPHAN:''' I didn't even notice it changed so much. They are growing as characters now, so I guess that's a good thing.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah, definitely. As we do new cartoons, little personality traits just sort of emerge. Like, Coach Z has made several old school rap references.

'''STEPHAN:''' I think you should have more of the older stuff on the site. It's fun to follow along the growth of the characters and to see them change. For example I really like the older intros, they had more of a song feel to it.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' That's pretty much the only old thing that's not in the museum. I guess I should go ahead and put it in. Interesting about the intros. You don't like the "everybody" song better?

'''STEPHAN:''' Oh, I think its great too. Especially with Homestar singing at the end.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Okay. Good. Everybody, la-dee-daw-dee-daw.

'''STEPHAN:''' Did you do that music yourself?

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Yeah. There's a Fatboy Slim song on the bowling page, and Frampton in Strong Bad's menu page. But the rest is ours. We gotta get rid of those eventually.

'''STEPHAN:''' Very cool. I love the songs. I think I'm going to wrap it up now, it was great chatting with you. Thanks for your time.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' No problem. Thanks a lot.

'''STEPHAN:''' I love the site, keep up the good work.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' Thanks a bunch.

== External Links ==
*[http://www.wtfiml33t.com/viewarticle.php?artid=59&page=1 Read the l33t Interview] '''(Warning: Contains mild language!)'''

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== REALLY External Links? ==
I can't find anything about this in the user guide.. but you know in the external links section of writeups, and in other places, how it puts that icon after the link (a blue box with an arow coming out)? To me, that essentially says "The link will open up in a new window" as well as "The link goes offsite". I've seen many websites (including every website I've built.. [http://www.lightsecond.com lightsecond.com], [http://www.bend.com bend.com]) that have the convention that if the link goes offsite, it should do so in a new window. Can/should we do the same here? 
[[User:MetaStar|MetaStar]] 20:47, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

:I'm voting against it. Opening a link in a new window is almost pretentious, as if the site you are on should have the power to not let you leave. Modern browsers like Firefox will let you open a link in a new tab when you want to go elsewhere by middle-clicking your mouse, and users are used to doing that when they want to stay on the current site. Furthermore, Firefox by default doesn't open new window links in new tabs, which annoys me to no end. I would say that an offsite link should behave like a normal link, so as not to confuse the user, and that opening a link in a new window should be a perogative of a web application that has a good reason for not taking you offsite. An example of this would be Hotmail, which opens links in a new window to keep you logged in unless you explicity log out. Most users of this site won't be logged in, and they'll be expecting the wiki to behave like like a normal website. So I saw leave it the way it is, and let the user control where his links pop up. If the icon is confusing, change the icon. [[User:Render|Render]]
What about if it's a logged-in-user user preference? And of course this all pre-supposes that such fancies are possible in MediaWiki, which I dunno :) Anyway I have yet to understand tabs since they always open underneath the current page.. they make me think of icky popunders. (Do you know of any good tabbed-browsing-for-dummies like faq on the 'net? I'd read that ;) 
[[User:MetaStar|MetaStar]] 22:21, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)
:User-configurable preferences are always good. Any admins know if this is possible in MediaWiki without a major overhaul? (As for tabs, I suppose it's just one of those things that just sort of grows on you. I like the pop-under effect because it lets me open interesting links for deferred viewing while I continue reading the page I'm on.) [[User:Render|Render]]

== Bold Punctuation? ==

I like how this is coming along, Jones. One question, though: haven't we always placed the colon outside the bold tags, as in "'''THE CHEAT''':"? I guess I don't mind it either way, as long as we are adhering to a standard, but are there rules to this sort of thing? I remember being taught in school that punctuation should never be bold. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 09:43, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)

:Er, I thought we did it the other way around. And since the colon is part of the character "declaration" (rather than part of the dialogue), it seems more natural to have it bold as well. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:00, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)

::Okay, I've been looking around the web (but [[User:Tom|Tom]] is better at Googling than I am) and I can't find anything about whether or not punctuation should be bold. I think it looks more consistent to have the colon in bold. I just wanted to be sure that was the right thing. Carry on. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 10:26, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)
:::I've always bolded the colon. [[User:Hobophobic|<nowiki>~</nowiki>Hobo]]
:Think about it the inverse way. What if you were being asked to bold the dialog instead of the character name? Would you then bold the colon as well? The colon would still have a space before the dialog started so that would look pretty silly: "THE CHEAT''': Meh!'''". so I think you should do with the colon what you do with the character name, not what you do with the dialog. :)
:[[User:MetaStar|MetaStar]] 20:19, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Cast (in order of appearance) vs Featuring/Features ==

I was thinking, for pages for things like early Strong Bad Emails and anything else where only one character appears, it seems kind of redundant to add the "in order of appearance" part since only one character appears. For SBemail#1, I just put "Cast" but even this seems a bit improper as a cast is generally referring to "The actors in a play, movie, or other theatrical presentation," not just one actor. I thought "Featuring" or something like that would be more appropriate... I feel like I'm rambling. [[User:Hobophobic|<nowiki>~</nowiki>Hobo]]

:I guess I don't have an opinion on this one. Certainly "(in order of appearance) is superflouous for one-character toons, but beyond that I don't much care. Anybody else? -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 11:41, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)

::To me, "Featuring" would make the most sense for one-character toons [[User:Hobophobic|<nowiki>~</nowiki>Hobo]]

:::Yeah, for a one character toon I like the word "Featuring". — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 12:55, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)

::::But what about the meaning of the word "featuring"? Didn't [[cheatday]] feature The Cheat? I'd think using that word for some emails and "cast" for others would be misleading. Or at the very least, confusing. I'm thinking that leaving off the "in order of appearance" for toons with only one character would work well enough. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:24, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)
:I'm with Tom on this. Brevity good, "featuring" bad ;) I know on albums and song titles they say "song, by Rapper, feat. other guys".. but it isn't feat. Rapper. I'm also selfishly hoping the word "featuring" can be ostricised for long enough to easily convert things.
:A quick look at a thesaurus suggests to me we could say "Starring: Strong Bad" but I'd also listen to other bright idears
:[[User:MetaStar|MetaStar]] 20:28, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

== SB email reference. ==

I have been using the following styles when referencing a Strong Bad Email depending on the context.

<pre>in the email "[[the facts]]"</pre>

<pre> in the Strong Bad Email: [[the facts]] </pre>

<pre>==Complete Filmography==
* Email: [[duck pond]]</pre>

My goal is to make it clear that we are refering to the title of something.
Otherwise one could get a sentance like,

[[Pom Pom]] kicked [[Strong Bad]] in the head in [[pom pom (email) | Pom Pom]].

Not clear at all. Should this reference be standardized?
-[[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 11:47, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)

:It wouldn't hurt to standardize it since I see all sorts of different usages all over. However, I tend to put the quotation marks inside the link like this: <nowiki>[[the facts|"the facts"]]</nowiki>, which yields [[the facts|"the facts"]]. Looks better to me, but I'd like to hear others' opinions. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 11:54, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)

::I don't think having the leading "Strong Bad Email" is needed. But that's me. What about readers who don't know the emails? But then, if we started putting "in the email, [[sibbie]]", would we also need to start using that for toons and shorts as well, as in "in the toon, [[Where's The Cheat?]]" and "in the short [[Experimental Film]]"? Hmm. I'd also like to hear some other' input.
::Though I do like having the Filmography listings standardized. Very good. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:34, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)

:::I will third the opinion that quotes should be around the title of a toon or email when it is being used in a sentence (as opposed to a bulleted list of related items such as that found on the SBEmail page). I'm not sure which I like better. Putting them outside the link would be easier on my poor typing finders, but putting them inside the link does look nicer. Just my two cents for what it's worth. Should we start a decision poll on the Forum? Not sure we need the leading "in the email, 'whatever'". I think we can just say, "in [[the facts|'the facts']]." As long as it's in quotes you know it's a toon or an email as opposed to it being a character as in Drhaggis' example. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 12:41, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)

::For me, having the quotes in the brackets is unnecessary piping. We should also be adding quotes around unlinked toon titles. -[[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 15:02, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Since when do we not transcribe easter eggs? ==
I personally think easter eggs ''should'' be transcribed. We can't hardly bill ourselves as a definitive knowledge-base of all things Homestar if we don't have transcripts of the easter eggs. Yes, it would ruin the surprise, but so does everything else on our site! The whole reason for a transcript is for people to understand what the characters are saying. If I can't make out what Strong Sad is saying in some-such easter egg, I'd like to be able to find it on the site and read what other people think/know he's saying. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 13:37, 22 Sep 2004 (MST)

:Okay, fair enough. So we need a standard for transcribing them. Any ideas? -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 13:50, 22 Sep 2004 (MST)

::I liked having the short transcript under the bulleted item, but that does get bulky. Let me play around with some ideas and get back to you. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 14:24, 22 Sep 2004 (MST)

:::I took this claim against transcription of EE, was for cases when the egg would be detailed on another page. Such as in the case of a game, or the introduction of another characeter. -[[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 19:02, 22 Sep 2004 (MST)

::::I thought we always did transcribe them. And the unwritten rule has always been this: If the egg is "clickable", that is, the user has to do something to cause the egg, it goes in the "Easter Egg" section. If the egg does not require any action on the part of the user, besides them just sitting in front of their computer a little longer, it goes in the Transcript. I'm pretty sure that's what everybody does anyway, but I just want to make it clear. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:08, 22 Sep 2004 (MST)

::What about creating subheadings (i.e. <tt><nowiki>===cheatsa===</nowiki></tt>) before each easter egg transcript in the Easter Eggs section? That would make things clearer. (I'm thinking something like:)

<pre>
===Homestar===
'''Click on the word "Homestar" to see Homestar crying.'''

''{Homestar is still bawling.}''

'''HOMESTAR''': Ohh, Tenderfoot! Can you tell me what to do
with myself? I feel like I'm at a crossroads, and there's like,
a Denny's on one corner, and an IHOP on the other!

''{Homestar is kneeling over the Tenderfoot drawing.}''

'''HOMESTAR''': Can you give me some sound financial advice?

''{Homestar is laying on the ground again.}''

'''HOMESTAR''': Tenderfoot, can you help advise me on my future?
</pre>

Anybody with me? --[[User:oddtodd|oddtodd]] 11:17, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Format for Lyrics ==

Song lyrics are inconsistently styled throughout the site. I propose that we embed lyrics in <pre> tags, so that they show up inside of a box the same way that the transcribed text of the Strong Bad emails do. Thoughts? [[User:Render|Render]]
:Seconded. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
::Seconded. -[[User:flatluigi|flatluigi]]

== Forward references ==

[[dragon]] has a link to [[guitar]]. Should [[guitar]] have a link to [[dragon]]?
:Chronology on the official site shouldn't affect what can link to what in the wiki. If a link to a future email is interesting and relevant, I don't see why it shouldn't be included. [[User:Render|Render]]

== Category pages ==

Currently Category pages, such as [[:Category:Strong Bad Email]] or [[:Category:1936]] only contain text such as "These articles are all Strong Bad Emails.", and all the substance on that topic is contained in a separate page. Would it make more sense to move all of the substance to the Category page, and turn the actual [[Strong Bad Email]] or [[1936]] page into a mere redirect to the Category? Once and Only Once etc, since it would also provide the listing of everything in the Category underneath. -- [[User:thejesterx|thejesterx]] 21:47, 6 Oct 2004 (MST)

:No, I don't think so. The Strong Bad Email page has a lot of information that wouldn't fit in the category page, and it's a lot easier to link to a regular page (<nowiki>[[Strong Bad Email]] vs. [[:Category:Strong Bad Email|Strong Bad Email]]) than a category. Categories should just be categories, not articles. ~~~

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== Character pictures ==

Now we use thumbnails for toon screenshots - should we do the same for character images? I assume we should, but I thought I'd better verify since it's not made clear anywhere. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
:'''EDIT:''' According to the projects page (drawn to my attention by [[User:spblat|spblat]]), "we need to comb the entire wiki changing full-sized images to thumbnails". This pretty much answers my question. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]

I guess it's my turn to have some fun. I've noticed that a lot of the filmography category styles are different. I'm going to go around changing them so they're a bolded debut and any complete list says "complete filmography". Otherwise, it will just say filmography. Is this ok? [[User:SparkPlug|SparkPlug]] 04:21, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Easter Egg Transcribing Part 2 ==

OK, since I've heard conflicting ideas on the wiki on whether or not Easter Eggs should be transcribed or not, can we finally get some sort of official, definitive yes/no on this? There's both the discussion on this page, the actual Standards page itself, and the discussion page for [[extra plug]] to take into consideration as to my confusion concerning it. I'm asking about this since, while I took the conversation on this page and in [[extra plug]] to mean Easter Eggs are expected to be transcribed now, some Easter Egg transcriptions are now being removed (see, for example, [[Where the Crap Are We?]].) --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 12:00, 18 Oct 2004 (MST)
:This site aims to preserve so much other minutiae about Homestar Runner that I can’t imagine where the policy to not transcribe easter eggs came from. Are we trying to reduce spoilers? In that case, all of the transcripts are also inappropriate. I say we transcribe eggs in the easter eggs section where they are clearly marked and can be skipped by those who want to discover them on their own. [[User:Render|Render]]

:I was the one who deleted the Where the Crap Are We? egg transcript. I've probably removed a couple of others as well, because I wasn't aware that we ''should'' be transcribing eggs. Sorry about that. (I assume we ''are'' now giving egg transcripts?) --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]

::Yes, we are now transcribing easter eggs. I believe I caused the confusion. Sorry 'bout that. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

::FYI: In the other "Easter Egg Transcribing" section, I proposed a format to transcribe easter eggs with in order to reduce clutter. --[[User:oddtodd|oddtodd]] 11:21, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Thumbnails vs full-size images? ==

I read [[HRWiki:Projects|here]] that we should be focused on using thumbnails instead of full size images. I've been doing this on some, but I don't want to go nuts before I know I'm not messing things up. Are there any cases where full size screenshots [[Homsar Main Page|(like this)]] should be preserved? -- [[User:spblat|spblat]] 7:13 PM 23 Oct 2004 (later) foo. Answered my own question. looks like full speed ahead--the standards page is quite clear on this.

== Places ==

Should we start adding "'''Places (in order of apperance)'''" on toon pages? I think it would be helpful to new-comers, as well as everyone else. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

== Wikilinks in transcript dialogue ==

:''There should never be links in dialogue or email sections.''

I'm not so sure about this rule. Certainly we shouldn't create links willy-nilly. But when Strong Bad asks, "Did the [[Wikipedia:quadratic formula|quadratic formula]] explode?", it'd be nice to just link the words "quadratic formula" than to have to propose a whole fun fact about it (which is often not that much fun). - [[User:furrykef|[[User:furrykef|furrykef]] ([[User_talk:furrykef|Talk at me]])]] 01:03, 25 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Nah. I'd like to keep it as it is. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

== Splitting Fun Facts ==

I have an idea for splitting the Fun Facts section into multiple smaller segments - so, if we can't get rid of the now-customary influx of "facts", we can at least split them up. I put my proposed edit (which is open for debate!) at 'link deleted'. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:44, 7 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Sounds interesting and well thought out, but I think we might want to wait for the dust to settle from this whole star thingy before we start to shake things up any more.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:02, 7 Jan 2005 (MST)

::Strangely enough, it was the whole star thing that caused me to bring it up in the first place (though I'd been toying with the idea for a while.) --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 00:07, 8 Jan 2005 (MST)

:::I was bored at work and started segmenting some of the [[some kinda robot|Strong]] [[i she be|Bad]] [[butt IQ|Emails]]. For now I'm not doing any more in the interest that the Wiki should decide on one standard for the fun facts; otherwise I'm just opening up a can of worms that doesn't need to be touched. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 10:19, 11 Jan 2005 (MST)

::::Since I had to remove the subpages, I moved the proposed changes and example to [[User_talk:Jay|my talk page]]. Nothing changed, really. PS. I like the "Fast Forward" category name (used in [[some kinda robot]] by Kamek) over my somewhat lame "To be continued..." --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 13:06, 11 Jan 2005 (MST)

:::::Well, if the two of you want to tackle this, I don't really see any reason why you shouldn't. I'll try to help when I can. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]

::::::I'll go ahead and continue with the refactoring of the Fun Facts. The way I see it is that if something isn't done about it, nothing will get done at all. For the most part I'll try to stick to your proposed standards, Jay. I might add or remove categories if necessary. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 17:59, 11 Jan 2005 (MST)

:::::::I think the fun facts layout should be as following:
<pre>
== Fun Facts ==
=== Trivia ===
Interesting facts about the toon or e-mail.
=== References ===
Interesting references to other things outside Homestar Runner.
=== References To Other Cartoons ===
References to other cartoons.
=== References By Other Cartoons ===
References that other cartoons have made to this toon or e-mail.
</pre>
:::::::I realize that this is roughly what is already being done, but I think the sections should be reworded.

:::::::And what about this "gold star" thing? Is it going to happen, or are we going to trash it? Have we even decided yet? →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

As you've probably noticed, I've split all the sbemails and TGS8. The Fun Facts heading is still there, but everything is in subcategories now. The only complaints I got were one person who didn't like me splitting the emails with very few facts - which I have explained (on my talk page) - and another who didn't like the category name "Fast Forward" (because it was too ambiguous) but didn't offer anything better. (Of course, I'd gladly delete the Fast Forward subcategory and every last Fun Fact within it, except that most people don't seem to agree that this is a good idea.) Is everyone okay with this being a permanent change? Any complaints about the splitting itself, rather than the format? Should we update the Standards? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 19:57, 18 Jan 2005 (MST)

=== Real-World References? ===
Is just me, or do we need better name for "Real-World References"? The name isn't very accurate when we add facts about other fiction. I suggest "Outside References" or "Cultural References". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 15:02, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
: On the one hand, I think you're on to something when you say that "Cultural" might be a better term. On the other hand... well, you'd have to go through a LOT of articles to fix it... --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 15:16, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)

That's why we [[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]], my friend. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 07:41, 13 Apr 2005 (MDT)

=== Running Gags Section ===
As you may have seen in a recent STUFF'd fun fact, there have been mixed reactions about letting "This is another instance pof The Cheta's head exploading" be a fun fact, so I'm thinking we should have a Running Gags section for fun facts. WHat do you guys think?

:Nah. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 15:58, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::C'mon, FireBird, give us a little more than a one-word response. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

:The vote to accept is currently 18–2, and I think the two decliners mistook a running gag for an ''n''th instance of something or a common event. As for listing the running gags, I don't have a problem with keeping them in Inside References, since that's what they are. But they should definitely be documented ''somewhere'', at the very least so that they can link to the Running Gags page. I will keep an open mind on this idea for now. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:02, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:Mentioning them in Inside References I feel would be the best idea, but I'm fully against a full category for them. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 16:07, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I also agree with that, I was just surprised when it was STUFF'd. - [[User:Ju Ju Master|Ju Ju Master]] 17:09, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I would like to pop in my say on this: As a relative new-comer to the wiki, one who has been here for a while but is yet to make an account, I think that having a Fun-Facts split section for Running Gags would be good, and if it isn't, ''it couldn't do any harm.'' -[[User:Ariamaki|Ariamaki]] July 7th, 4:11 AM est.

:Creating a page with a bunch of keyboard mashings wouldn't do any harm, either, but we delete it anyway. Adding a new Fun fact that is poor in grammar wouldn't do any harm, but we fix it anyway. Of course it wouldn't do harm, but some just don't like the idea of it. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 13:45, 7 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Running gags don't appear in great numbers, so we would probably just have one fun fact in the section. If any. [[User:Rogue Leader|Rogue Leader]]

* I am all for it, it sounds like a great idea. [[User:Total Spaceship Guy3|Total Spaceship Guy3]] 20:47, 7 Jul 2005 (UTC)

== Err... Why was my edit reverted? ==

Internet (as in ''the'' Internet; the one Homestar Runner is on) is a proper noun and should thus be capitalized. See [[Wikipedia:Internet]]. --[[User:Uh! Bob|<tt>'''''Úħ¡ βøв'''''</tt>]] 20:38, 27 Mar 2005 (MST)
:Forgot to mention that Flash (as in Macromedia Flash; the format that most Homestar Runner content is in) should also be capitalized, yet the F goes uncapitalized on many pages. --[[User:Uh! Bob|<tt>'''''Úħ¡ βøв'''''</tt>]] 20:40, 27 Mar 2005 (MST)

::Good question about the "I" in Internet. I'm not really sure, you might want to ask over on InterruptorJones's [[User talk:InterruptorJones|talk page]]. As for the "F" in Flash, that's a good point. I change it when I see it, and I've updated the page to note the capital.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:16, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)

:::I realize this discussion was held months ago, but when I read this just now it reminded me of an article on Wired.com almost a year ago: ''[http://www.wired.com/news/culture/0,1284,64596,00.html It's Just the 'internet' Now]''. They make a lot of good points in there. Macromedia Flash is certainly a formal product name, but "internet" is no different from "radio" or "television". The internet isn't a product, it's a medium. It isn't a proper noun, it's just a noun. In fact, the Wikipedia:Internet article does mention the shift away from capitalizing in the [[Wikipedia:Internet#Naming_conventions|naming conventions]] section. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 19:19, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::Yeah, that article has [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Internet&diff=20792770&oldid=11598610 come a long way] [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Internet&oldid=11598610 since March]. I'd think that being a knowledge base we'd tend to use it in the formal sense though. Is that right?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:37, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Duration vs. Running Time==
I've noticed that, at least for [[Strong Bad Email]] pages/transcripts, the note about how long it is is inconsistent. Some pages use "Duration," others use "Running Time." Not that it's really that big of a deal, but which one would be better to use? (I vote "Running Time.")—[[User:StrongstarRunbad|StrongstarRunbad]] 09:14, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Template to simplify Cast & Filmography ==

I've made a template, [[:Template:Film]], that can be used for Cast lists in toon pages. It automatically adds the page to the character's Filmography category, so you don't need to explicitly add the filmography category at the bottom of the page. For example, for [[rampage]]:

<pre>
'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}},
{{Film|Strong Mad}}, {{Film|The King of Town}},
{{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|Coach Z}}, {{Film|The Cheat}},
{{Film|Strong Sad}}, {{Film|Marzipan}}, {{Film|Homsar}}
</pre>

Replaces:

<pre>
'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]], [[Strong Mad]],
[[The King of Town]], [[Homestar Runner]], [[Coach Z]],
[[The Cheat]], [[Strong Sad]], [[Marzipan]], [[Homsar]]

...

[[Category: Strong Bad Filmography]][[Category: Strong Mad Filmography]]
[[Category: The King of Town Filmography]] [[Category: Homestar Runner Filmography]]
[[Category: Coach Z Filmography]] [[Category: The Cheat Filmography]]
[[Category: Strong Sad Filmography]] [[Category: Marzipan Filmography]]
[[Category: Homsar Filmography]]
</pre>

It seems to simplify things. What do people think?
-- [[User:thejesterx|thejesterx]] 09:24, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Similar template for Computer in SBEmails ==

I noticed that SBEmail pages don't specify the computer the email was received on, they merely show it in the relevant category at the bottom. I made a similar template, [[:Template:Comp]] to specify the computer Strong Bad used to receive the email, and automatically put it in the category for that computer. For example, in [[rampage]]:
<pre>{{Comp|Lappy 486}}</pre>
Which displays: '''Computer:''' [[Lappy 486]], and puts the page in the [[:Category:Lappy 486 Emails]] category. Anyone think this is a good idea, or is this info unnecessary?
-- [[User:thejesterx|thejesterx]] 09:31, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Image Standards ==

With the recent makeover of [[Characters]] and [[Items]], the need for better headlines and captiones of images has grown strong. [[User:Homestar Coder|Homestar Coder]] and [[User:E.L. Cool|myself]] begone to change those systematically, but to what? All the pictures already changed, like [[:Image:homestar.PNG|this one]] used the following standard:

<pre>
'''[[artical name]]''' (from [[toon this image was taken from]])
</pre>

For cases with images of more than one character, artical of place it was taken from, all the appropriate links should be made, and the most important ones should be '''bolded'''. If this standard is fine with everybody, than I think it need to be added to the standard page. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 14:12, 17 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Easter Eggs ==

Should it be a standard to differentiate between easter eggs that occur during the toon and easter eggs that occur at the end of the toon? --[[User:Ace00899|Ace00899]] 02:27, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

:They ''should'' already be listed in chronological order and have descriptions about where to find them, like early in the toon or at the end. A better, more pertinent question is, are we going to start listing so-called waiting eggs (those things that happen seconds after the Paper comes down) in the Easter egg section? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:37, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

== More general "out of the frame" rule proposal ==

I've seen a lot of fun facts floating around that to me seem analogous to the outside-the-frame facts that we usually delete with a vengeance. Most of them involve a seek bar in some way, or using the right-click menu (by viewing the swf directly or on pages that don't have it disabled). I suggest that the standards for glitches be changed to include something like:<blockquote>Glitches which occur in such a way that they cannot be seen during normal viewing (for example they happen outside the frame, or need a seek bar) are usually '''not''' notable. However if something happens that can only be accessed in this way, but is intentional, or otherwise adds something to the article, then it should be mentioned as a Remark.</blockquote>Probably would need some rewording before (and if) becoming official, but it gets my point across... the idea is that this would remove all the facts like:
*(The canonical) If you view the flash file, String Bad has no body, just a head!
*If you use a seek bar to skip some initialisation, things aren't initalised properly (such as the "Undefined.Undefined" level in [[Stinkoman 20X6]])
*Anything involving RMB->Pause or RMB->Play
*Anything involving the Stinkoman 20X6 Cheat Program, or any other tool that makes things happen in ways they weren't intended to.
However it would still allow facts like:
*Moving the mouse over "Store" lots and then over "Downloads" doesn't work properly on [[Main Page 22]] (uses only the controls avaliable in the flash file itself, so comes under "normal viewing")
*The moustacioed Homestar in [[Senorial Day]] (clearly intentional)
*The dancing headless Homestar in [[mile]] ("otherwise adds something to the article")
It probably needs rewording, such specifying what "normal viewing" and "adds something to the article" mean, but the spirit of the proposal is there, even if the letter is imperfect. Your thoughts? {{User:Phlip/sig}} 13:16, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

:If noone has any objections I'll take the axe to [[Stinkoman 20X6 Glitches]], which is full of things like this... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 09:15, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

== Standardize "The Cheat Noises" ==

My attention was drawn to [[Lookin at a Thing in a Bag]] by an anonny disagreeing with another over what it sounded like The Cheat was saying. Now I've seen in various transcript edits a trend to "not put words in The Cheat's mouth" and simply transcribe as "The Cheat noises." This is ''not'' universally implemented, though; there are lots and lots of instances of things like ''{The Cheat squeaks, it sounds like...}''. I'm not sure I'd advocate reducing everything to "The Cheat noises;" in some instances his noise really sounds strikingly like some phrase, enough to note; also variations such as "The Cheat noises in the affirmative" or "The Cheat squeaks softly" ([[lady...ing]]) are good. But we seriously need to fix some. 
Also, should they be: 
'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{The Cheat noises}'' ... or simply insert it within the flow of other characters' dialogue?

Oh, and one other thing: the colon is bold along with the name, as above, right? That needs to be changed on [[Lookin at a Thing in a Bag]] too. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 00:56, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

:Almost all of the cases should be "The Cheat noises" or "The Cheat squeaks" or similar. I do believe that there does exist that tiny fraction where it actually sounds like he's saying something. But these cases are quite rare. Also notable are the instances where he was translated courtesy of the "Learn to Speak The Cheat" Easter egg. I like when we can add something to indicate his mood or tone of voice, as you mentioned. Finally, other characters get their own line of text when they speak. Why not The Cheat? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:14, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

::Cool. If no one objects, I'll make this my little project. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:16, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
:::Also, when the colons aren't bold faced, that's an error of the transcriber. The colons need to be boldfaced. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}
::::Thanks! I'm doing that too as I encounter them. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:47, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

== Ignored Rule ==
<blockquote>If a character does something while speaking a line of dialogue, or if more description is needed for their manner of speaking or inflection (e.g. if they're singing or whispering) the action ('''if it is not too long to describe in a few words''') can be enclosed in curly braces — { } — and made italic, like this: {goes to the refrigerator}. Note that the curly braces themselves are also italic. Short actions like these do not need to be proper sentences.</blockquote>

The bold rule is probably one of the most ignored rules ever. Go through the various transcripts and you'll see tons of examples of long in-dialogue actions, some of which don't even relate to the speaker. This problem needs to be fixed, but it's way too big for me to do alone. ([[modeling|Here]] is an extreme example of this problem.) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 14:18, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:I put this in projects, because that's probably where it belongs. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 14:54, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::That's fine, but does anybody read that page? You should delete it from either here or there, to avoid duplicating the discussion. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:04, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:::I'm not sure. It ''belongs'' in Projects, but I don't think anyone reads that page either, because it is so outdated, and many of the projects aren't done. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 15:29, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

== Sig standards ==

I realize it's partly my fault for teaching people how to use templates for their sigs and adding an icon to my own sig, but things are starting to really get out of hand. For starters, I propose we restrict images to one 16 x 16 image per sig. If enough people are against images altogether, I don't mind complying and removing my image. Secondly, I think we should prohibit <code>sup</code> and <code>sub</code> tags in sigs altogether. Third, should we have restrictions on the number of colors people are allowed to use in their sigs, or should we prohibit colors all together? Fourth, should we restrict length? I'm not sure how we could police this one since length depends mostly on a person's username. Just some ideas. Talk amongst yourselves. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 23:13, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
:Just for reference, I'd like to point out the Fanstuff Wiki encountered a similar problem a while back. Information can be found [[HRFWiki:Too Long Clanky|here]], along with a link to the rules that were made regarding it. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 01:55, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
===Image===
*Don't mind them, as long as they're small. And even though I like H*C's cat, I think the images should be static, not animated. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
*A small one. one that do not highens the line above it in normal text. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 23:36, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
*Keep it to < 16px. Larger images get out of hand. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:54, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
*I like a small image in a sig; it makes people quickly identifiable. I would propose a guideline of 20x20 instead of 16x16. JoeyDay's sig icon is 19px high and it looks just fine to me. Personally I don't mind animated images ;) but if they annoy other people then we could disallow them. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 18:53, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
*20 pixels is fine. Animated images, to me, are fine now, but may have a tendency to get out of hand in the future. I think that animated gifs should be turned into png versions, so that the image is preserved, but it doesn't get distracting. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 11:12, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
* Oh, I didn't realize my image was that big. I revise my original proposal. 20 x 20 should be good. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 22:06, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
* I think images are fine as long as they don't stretch the line of text too high and low. Animated ones don't bug me, as long as they aren't flashy. (For example, H*C's pic is fine to me.) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:00, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
* Animated ones are fine. Just limit one image per sig, and limit size (maybe something from 20 to 30 pixels). {{User:Rainer/sig}} 13:15, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

===Remove sup/sub===
*Agree. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
*Don't mind. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 23:36, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
*They interfere with above/below text. Remove. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:54, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
**What browser are you using? My sig doesn't affect line spacing for me... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 00:46, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
***It isn't necessarily that the line spacing is affected, just that they crowd the line above or below. At least, that's how they show up on mine. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
****Actually, on mine, Phlip, I use [http://www.apple.com/macosx/features/safari.html Safari], and to me the spacing in this <nowiki><h3></nowiki> is normal except for the line where your sig is. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:09, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
*****Could you look at [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&oldid=179011 this] (permanant link to the current Sandbox, since it could very well change soon) to see which lines have the spacing messed up? Are the ones faked with ok? If they are, I'll change my sig to use them instead... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 22:29, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
******I seriously don't see anything wrong with them. We should have a limit to the number of characters in the tags though. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 22:39, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
******Every line in that example sandbox page has extra padding either above or below in Firefox. What browser are you using Phlip? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 23:08, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
*******Firefox. And they all look fine to me (well, if you're being picky, there's maybe 1px here or there, but nothing that you'd notice in flowing text... and some of that is probably rounding errors anyway...[http://members.lycos.co.uk/phlipping/subsup.png]) {{User:Phlip/sig}} 00:02, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
********All the line spacing looks (mostly) uniform to me. My point earlier was not that the spacing is messed up by the sup/sub, but that the sub from one line often collides with the sup from another. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
*Sups and subs don't bother me at all. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:00, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
**Agreed. Allow sups and subs. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 10:39, 21 October 2005 (UTC)

===Colors===
*Do not prohibit. Neutral about whether there should be a limit on the number of colors. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
*Limit to 3 or 4 colors. differant tones of the same color (i.e. dark green and light green) count as one color. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 23:36, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
*Colors should clearly contrast with the white background. (i.e. Bright yellow should not be allowed) — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:54, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
*No limit on colors unless signature is unreadable on white. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 18:54, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
**Speaking of that, some people have tried using backgrounds other than white. We should insist on white backgrounds with no borders. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
***I agree. Before you (or someone) interfered, [[User:GWR 2004]]'s signature was a bit out of hand with borders. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:09, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
**No borders, no special backgrounds, no unreadable or otherwise annoying colors. Other than that, I'm fine with them. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:00, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
*Do not prohibit, but no annoying colours. If someone feels that the colours in someone's sig are annoying, they can advise that person on their user talk page. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 10:40, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
**Just what constitutes an annoying color? Out of the limited number of hex codes to create a color, how many of them are annoying? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:40, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
***The most annoying color (really, the only one I've ever seen) is bright yellow, which is all but completely unreadable. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

===Length restrictions===
*Need to find a way to calculate how much is too much. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 23:36, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
*No longer than the number of characters in the entire user name, plus a few. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:54, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
::This is the problem. how many is a few? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 23:59, 19 October 2005 (UTC)
:::I personally think Lapper's is the perfect maximum length after the user name. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

::::I'd say a good standard to use would be the length of a timestamp. I count 29 characters there. Maybe a little shorter would work. 20 or 25 maybe?.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:11, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

::::Also, see [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages#Customizing your signature]] for some ideas.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:13, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

:::::There's also the problem with people using large fonts to make their sig much wider than it should be with only their name. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 18:55, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

::::I agree with Tom on that one. 20 characters should be the absolute longest. Besides, usernames themselves longer than 20 characters are somewhat rediculous. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:09, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

:::::I don't think we should measure any length restriction in characters, rather in pixels on a "normal" display. This is because (1) the fonts are proportional (2) someone can always use <tt>style="font-size:10000%"</tt> or something, (3) this will also take into acount the image icon thingies. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 22:40, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
* The fanstuff uses ''Username + 6 large characters or 12 small characters'', images counting as large characters. That works for me. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:00, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
**Yep, the rules regarding sig lengths (which was the main reason why those rules were introduced to the fanstuff wiki, because some sigs were a whole line) at the fanstuff wiki should work fine here. Also, text larger than "normal" size (the default size that the wiki uses) should be the limit of how big you can have the text in your sig. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 10:39, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
*Some of these sigs are three and four times the length of the user's name. I propose that an entire signature—''including the name, image, and links (if any)''—should fit into a box 20 x 160 pixels under normal settings: [[Image:sigbox.png|suggested signature size]] (20 ''n''<nowiki></nowiki>'s will fit in that box, but you can fit upwards of 25 normal-size letters, spaces, and other characters, depending on certain things). I started measuring signatures on the [[HRWiki:STUFF|STUFF]] page, and nearly everybody's fits into it. I think if a name is so long that you can't put a talk link after it and still fit it in the box, then maybe you should omit the link. Or if someone's trying to fit "(talk about my stuff • all the things I did)," but it won't fit, reduce it to "(talk • edits)." Using <nowiki></nowiki> is also an option, as long as it's not ''too'' small. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]