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Talk:the chair

2006-12-05T22:20:01Z

Trelawney: /* Treatment of Chickens */

== Decompiling ==

Can somebody decompile the flash file to see if there is anything actually hidden in the picture or when Strong Bad takes off his mask? It seems like something TBC might put into the flash as a "super secret easter egg". -[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 21:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

:Way ahead of ya! [[Image:Dodongo.png|150px|nice try, dodongo!]]--[[User:Echeese|Echeese]] 22:00, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
::We's already done. The picture is blank, and here's his face without the chair there: [http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/3518/muhfacehe2.png] (courtesy of The Mu). --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:I'm not as computer-smart as you guys are, so can someone explain how you do that?--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 04:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
::You'd want a program like [http://www.eltima.com/products/flashdecompiler/ Flash Decompiler]. Mind that it isn't free, but there may be free alternatives out there. --[[User:205.251.60.126|205.251.60.126]] 17:32, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:::Heck, Eltima's IS a free trial, and that's the one I use. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::See, that's what I get for not reading more closely. Mea culpa. --[[User:205.251.60.126|205.251.60.126]] 19:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
It seems to me that this would be more appropriate under Trivia than as an Easter Egg, since it's not readily viewable--it has to be decompiled to see it. --[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 22:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

== Danube Largo? ==

I was going to say this is a reference to the Danube river, but then I realized it's probably also a parody of a real person's name. So I'm waiting to see if anyone else has dirt on this. [[User:Octan|Octan]] 22:03, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
:Not of any furniture designer that I'm aware of. I don't think it's a reference to the river so much as to the trend towards nature-related names, such as River, Skye, or Willow.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 01:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
::Wasn't Largo the villain in Thunderbird? (007 movie, for those of you wondering) Could that be a possible reference? {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 02:03, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:::Thunderb''all'' is the Bond flick. Thunderb''ird'' is a car. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 11:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

:::''Largo'' is Italian for "slow". But that has little relevance to its usage here. I think it's likely just something they put together to sound foreign. I don't see a reason to think into it any deeper than that. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
::::Actually, [[Wikipedia:Largo|Largo]] is a common word. It STILL may be a reference. Just suggesting it. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 03:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
An die Schöne Blaue Donau is a world-famous waltz, known in English as "The Blue Danube Waltz," or "The Blue Danube," or "The Danube Waltz." Waltz can be a musical designation, as can Largo. So, "Danube Largo" is a riff on "Danube Waltz," although I doubt that TBC put as much thought into it as I just did. Did either of the Chap brothers study music at some point? -- Unregistered User, M Valdemar.
:::::Actually, there are a few waltzes with "Danube" in the name. And "Largo" is pretty generic. I don't think this needs to necessarily refer to music in any way. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Still seems more like TTATOT than references to me, though.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 22:07, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

== Leather ==

I'm thinking that the leather is not "Chairybdian" but is in fact "Corinthian" parodying Ricardo Montalbon and his rather (unintentionally) silly ads for Chrysler in the 80's. But maybe I'm just hearing things.
: I hear Corinthian.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 01:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

== 3 years pre-owned ==

This could just be me and my tendency to mishear things, but does it sound to anyone else like Bubs is saying it's a PRE-OWNED box of chicken beaks, rather than a 3-year-old box of chicken beaks? --[[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 17:54, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
:I hear it as 'pre-owned'. [[User:Cara Carabowditbowdit|Cara Carabowditbowdit]] 23:11, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
::I also hear pre-owned. {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:16, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:::I hear pre-owned, too.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 01:53, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
::::I put this bit on my user page before it was transcribed, and "pre-owned" is what I heard. Still do. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:51, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::I wrote the transcript here and heard "3 year old" the first time, but after listening a few more times I realized Bubs did in fact say "pre-owned". I kept trying to change the transcript to match but I kept getting Edit Conflict! ARGH!! Anyways, yes; he does indeed say pre-owned. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 14:33, 5 December 2006

== Buzzer sound ==

It's the same buzzer sound as the old "deleted" buzzer. "Remarks"? "Inside references"? Is it even wiki-worthy? [[User:Tbone762|Tbone762]] 23:38, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
:Nope. It's just a [[Sound Effects|sound effect]]. You should list it there, though, if it's not already. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:06, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
::I compared the two, and from what I can tell, it's definitely the DELETED buzzer. {{User:Exhibit A/sig}} 03:41, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

== melon-chair ==

Is the stool supposed to be the same face as the cantelope he stole from Marzipan?
:You mean [[Doreauxgard]]? I don't really think so. The chair doesn't bear much of a resmblance to him. {{User:Spyrox6/sig}}
:i thought the same thing. it's VERY similar...if not almost exactly the same
::I compared the picture in the article to the face on the chair, and they're almost identical, except for the forehead wrinkles.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 22:17, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

== This is the one where Scratchy finally gets Itchy! ==

The way Strong Bad says he will never take off his mask again reminds me of a [http://www.snpp.com/episodes/1F02.html Simpsons episode] where Scratchy ''finally'' gets the better of Itchy instead of vice versa in one of their episodes. The TV gets unplugged as Bart and Lisa are watching, and they end up missing it. When the TV gets plugged back in, Krusty says, "Wow! They'll never let us show that again, not in a million years!" — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:12, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
: It does seem similar in a kinda this-is-not-a-referencey sort of way. :p --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:26, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
::I saw that one as well, and I don't think there's a notable similarity at all. The "now that you can't see it, I'll finally reveal all the secrets" gag is an old one.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:39, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:::Quite. Which is why I posted it here and not in the fun facts. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:49, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

== Chickenella ==

Just wondering since I suspect it'd be removed or STUFFed: How notable is it that Strong Bad probably meant Salmonella, which is commonly associated with chicken, rather than the mammal-specific Anthrax? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:13, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
*meh, i did notice that also, but it is much too much ttatot. also i love the ethical tag. its funny. {{User:Csours/sig}} 01:29, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

== Ecochair != Tempurpedic ==

So someone put up a reference saying the ecochair was a reference to tempurpedic mattresses. I don't get how this could possibly be. That chair is NOTHING like a mattress. I figured it was a fairly vague reference to IKEA furniture, personally.

Yeah, that person's crazy. If my changes weren't universally overridden, I'd change it myself... but i want this to be changed, so i won't change it --[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 00:35, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

:And that would be me! Forgive, for I should've ran this through the discussion thing before I went ahead and made such a bold statement! I figured the Ecochair made a bit of a reference to Tempur-pedic and other such styles of furniture, with their questionable designs made from questionable materials! After re-rewatching the email, it would appear that the ecochair does not, in fact, use crazy memory foam to shape itself to the user! Such a reference is quite a bad decision. --[[User:The only known copy of the failed pilot episode of the Limozeen Saturday morning cartoon show|Crazy Person]]

I'd actually say that chair is more like those crazy chairs designed to fix bad posture. --[[User:Xifihas|Xifihas]]

== Anthraxy ==

Anyone else think that Winger is less anthraxy, not because of the disease anthrax, but because Winger is not like the band Anthrax, thus they are less Anthraxy? --[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 01:01, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, it seemed like a bit of word-play to me.--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 01:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
::That seems extremely likely to me. Winger and Anthrax both thrived in the late '80s, which is a particularly common era for TBC to reference. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:54, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:::Incidentally, wasn't Winger referenced in [[death metal]]? -{{User:YK/sig}} 04:20, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
I don't particularly care whether we list the links to Anthrax (both kinds) and Winger in Explanations or Real-World References, but we ''don't'' need to spell out the above joke. The links are enough. Let the viewer put together the humor. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:30, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:Well, at least someone spelled it out here, coz I'd never get it otherwise. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::It seems like some kind of reference--spelling it out or not--would be good. I'm not up to date on that kind of music anymore, but it seems likely that there will be a good number of people who won't have heard of Anthrax, 20 years after their heyday (ouch!).--[[User:H-ko|H-ko]] 22:11, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

==Truely==
Is Strong Bad's pronouciation of of the misspelled truely, a reference to his pronounciation of truuly in [[modeling]]? How similar are the two?[[User:68.239.209.107|68.239.209.107]] 03:56, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

==Hey, it's Tiptup!==
Bubs says both 'Tip' and 'tup', which are parts of the name 'Tiptup', who is a turtle racer in the game Diddy Kong Racing. At least, I think so.--[[User:147.133.207.186|147.133.207.186]] 05:30, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:"Tip top" is a colloquialism that means "the very top"... and it's a mix-up of "Start at the bottom, and work our way to the top." That "top" is pronounced as "tup" is probably just Bubs being strange. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 05:34, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
::Tiptup the Turtle was the first thing I thought of too, but I think it's just Bubs being random. He does seem to be acting kind of strange in this email :) {{User:Saturn/sig}} 07:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

==SB's Parents==
Just wanted to say that I sent an email to SB last week asking how his parents looked like, kind of surprised to see at least part of it being used. Guess my pronounciation was too good to become an actual e-mail ;) Eitherway, you can never be sure that it actually originated from my e-mail. I'm pretty sure loads of people have sent in the same question. It's just that I find it kind of funny to actually get some kind of an answer :)

Yeah, I think that question had probably been asked quite a bit. The one time I sent SB an email (which was a couple years ago) part of it inquired about his parents. The rest suggested his he and his brothers might all be adopted, since they bear no resemblance to each other.

:Pronunciation? Was it audio email? Has Strong Bad done audio email before? - anonymous

== Parts? ==

Does that refer to the same thing that The Ugly One's intro in Issue 2 refers to? EEEEEWWW!! I wouldn't think they'd make deezguzzteeng hints to dat. EEEEWW!! --{{User:Homfrog/sig}} 11:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:Psoriasis? I see no connection here, unless I'm just rather thick right now. (I ''am'' pulling an all-nighter just so I can't oversleep and miss class and it's 5:30.) {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 11:26, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

== Hate? ==

I don't hear "Hate, hate, hate this email", I hear "Hey, hey, hey, it's email." Anyone else agree? -- [[User:4.244.214.55|4.244.214.55]] 12:59, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:Yes. The Hate vs. Hey is hard to distinguish, but "it's" is a give-away. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 14:08, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

== Treatment of Chickens ==

I noticed [It's dot com] deleted a comment I added to the Fun Facts section of "the chair". Please look [[wikipedia:Chicken|it]] up. This is a direct quote:
"Domestic chickens are typically fed commercially prepared feed that includes a protein source as well as grains. Chickens often scratch at the soil to get at adult insects and larvae or seed. Incidents of cannibalism can occur when a curious bird pecks at a preexisting wound or during fighting (even among female birds). This is exacerbated in close quarters. In commercial egg and meat production this is controlled by trimming the beak (removal of ⅔ of the top half and occasionally ⅓ of the lower half of the beak)."
This most likely explains the "ethical" label on Bubs box of Chick'n beaks
:I think that is a major stretch. If you want, you can create an account and STUFF it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:00, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:: For what it's worth, we're talking about cruelty to animals in Ethics class this week, and the chicken beak cutting off is the first thing I thought of when I saw that box. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]

== Stooley ==

Should Stooley get a character page and a cast nod? He does have a name and lines, which I think warrents him as being up there with Frank Bennedito or any of the other inanimate objects in the Homestar world... [[User:Cyndentia|Cyndentia]]

:If Stooley appears again then it seems likely that he will get a character page. Otherwise, No. [[User:Xifihas|Xifihas]]

::I strong disagree with Xifihas. The stool, or whatever we call it, is a charcter as it has lines. Lesser character have been called characters or at least [[Characters#Pseudocharacters|pseudocharacters]] ([[The Denzel]], [[Doreauxgard]]). {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 20:09, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

:::The only reason I am not adding this right now is that I don't know what to call it. The Stool? Stooley? Chairscoot? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 20:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

::::Strong Bad names the chair himself: "Stooly here is a tush-cheek's dream." Then we just decide on the spelling, right? [[User:Cyndentia|Cyndentia]] 13:18, 5 December 2006 (MST)

== Strong Bad's Face ==

Um, did anyone try checking if there's an easter egg in the Flash file itself when Strong Bad takes off his mask/face? You know, like the "Nice Try Dodongo" joke? It probably should be mentoined in the article what exactly is going there, animation-wise.--[[User:68.121.102.254|68.121.102.254]] 19:41, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
:No... There's no Easter eggs... He's not up for it. [http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/3518/muhfacehe2.png See here]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

Talk:4 branches

2006-11-15T05:52:16Z

Trelawney: /* Mid-term Election Time?? */

== Homestar Water Container ==

Does anyone want to have some fun and guess how Homestar got in there.I think... hmm what do I think umm I don't know what I think never mind.
{{User:Flamer8965/sig}} 06:17, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
:Chuck Norris - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 06:32, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
:Well, he was in Barbados, hanging a picture on the wall... -{{User:YK/sig}} 06:32, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
::Naturally he met a witch doctor who asked him where he spends most of his time, and he said in the water cooler...
Or even better, take this to the [[Forum:10200|forum thrad]].{{User:Loafing/sig}} 06:54, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
:Anyone have any idea what Barbados has to do with a water cooler? Very odd. I feel like there HAS to be a joke there that I'm not getting. I mean why does that one partial sentence tell SB all he needs to know?? Is this a movie reference maybe?
::I think it's just completely random. SB knew that Homestar was about to tell him some completely untrue and nonsensical story, so he stopped him right there... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 11:53, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

== Old-Timey Nebulon? ==

Think this alien could be the Old-Timey Nebulon? Could be!--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 07:20, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
:Well, The Homestar Runner doesn't like his style...--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:33, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
::True, but i expected that 1936 Nebulon would be green (in the easter egg, he's gray) and to be shaped more like him. --[[User:Young Roy|Y. Roy]] 13:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Actually, *all* the Old-Timey characters are in black and white, all the time. Even if they're outside of the Old-Timey dimension, such as [[20X6 vs. 1936]] and [[alternate universe]]. I'd say this is the Old-Timey equivilent of Nebulon. -{{User:YK/sig}} 20:23, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
:I think it's possible; I did kind of think about Nebulon (the whole "Because you're a communist fool!" thing seems a bit similar to the "Nobody likes your style!" thing), but I don't think there's quite enough resemblance other than that to say he's ''definitely'' supposed to be 1936'd Nebs. {{User:Saturn/sig}} 13:27, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
:It's not much of a stretch to see that as Neb. But "our" Neb has two eyes and doesn't talk... Not to mention no arms or discernible legs. I'm still going with that being Neb, however. {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 14:20, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
::Strong Bad tells nebulon that noone likes his style. 1-Up tells 20X6 Nebulon that no one likes his style. So, it's be legit that The Homestar Runner would tell 1936 Nebulon that noone likes his style. Also, he has no similar shape to him, Homestar says he's RED, and whne homestar says "Because you're a communist fool!" to him, he doesn't make the noise. Or any noise. --[[User:Young Roy|Young Roy]]
:::"Red" is just a nickname because he's a Commie, though. Or something like that. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Stretch in Real World References ==

"The Homestar fireworks at the end of the cartoon is a direct sendup from Super Mario Brothers 1 for the Nintendo Entertainment System; you recieved fireworks when you did very well on a level."

Highly unlikely. For one, you got that at the end if you finished at a certain time. Second, lots of things have fireworks at the end. I don't see how this is a referance to SMB more than, say, a political cartoon in which fireworks appear as a patriotical symbol.

:I completely agree and removed the fact. Anyone who thinks differently may STUFF it. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 09:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree completely with the Super Mario Bros. reference. That was my take on it. (Sorry if I'm screwing this wiki format up, I'm a newbie)

== Coulomb's law ==

...and I thought that I was going to go the rest of my life without ever hearing Coulomb's law again. Oh well. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 11:04, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

:That's makes two of us... {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 11:08, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

::On my [[User_talk:Invisible_Robot_Fish#Pre-Calc_101|talk page]] we already talked about the horrors of Calc, now I have to relive physics again. I never really understood what a Gausian Surface was, but I got the problems correct on the test somehow. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:52, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Hey hey hey. Hey. Hey. Hey, now... physics is cool. Yes, I'm a physicist.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 23:41, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

:Do you teach physics or practice it? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 03:45, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

::Well, in a sense we ''all'' practice physics every day... {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

:::re-phrase... Teach? If so HS or college? <s>Practice</s> Research? If so, what's your field? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 04:05, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

== TTATOT Oprah ==

When homestar started talking about makeovers, did anyone else think that he sounded a little like Oprah? I'm enough people will shout TTATOT, so I'm not even going to bother putting it up. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:54, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

:Yeah, there are tons of shows like that, once again it's a reference to the whole genre of talk shows, instead of a particular one. Although that chair-throwing is clearly a Jerry Springer, because he is known for his violence. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 12:57, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

::Not just the chair throwing but the whole, let's bring on the bad boyfriend thing, which was obviously JS. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:59, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

::The surprise guest is Springer, but the thrown chair if infamously Geraldo.

:::As is, the fun fact is horribly TTATOT. There's a certain reference to the Today Show logo as noted below, but listing specific programs the "makeover" and "reality talk show" segments refer to is a little much, in my opinion. This could be split into two facts, one a reference to the logo, another to the basic genres of shows being referenced (but not specifics). {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:06, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

::::I think you may have gone a bit too far. The incident where a chair gets thrown at Homestar is almost definitely from Geraldo. It pretty much the single incident most people think of when you mention someone throwing a chair at a reality talk show. NOT mentioning Geraldo in reference to that scene would sound like you'd missed a reference. {{User:El Santo/sig}}

== AM ==

When the show comes on, there is a semi circle. I am certain that it is very close to a 1980's logo for either Good Morning America or a similiar show. Can anyone find it? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:58, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
:Nevermind, I found it, it was the old Today show logo. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 14:55, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

== Transcript ==

I'm pretty sure that Homestar says "sweet Jesus" after SB tries to get him out of the water cooler, not "sweet genius". [[User:Zero.exe|Zero.exe]] 15:18, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I am certain he said genius. Living the Atlanta, TBC have (very wisely IMO), never overtly made light of religion, and I listened a second time, just to me sure.--[[User:Saxonjf|Saxon the Deutschmaster]] 15:31, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
== Old KOT? ==

The king of town's crown looked like it was in the King of town DVD.

==Match Game PM==

Could The Show AM be a reference to Match Game PM? [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 17:20, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
:I was thinkin' it was more along the lines of early morning talk shows such as Good Morning America and Today. As IRF said about three subjects ago, the AM logo is the old Today show logo. Also, many things were based on The Jerry Springer Show. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 20:54, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
::When I saw the AM, that was actually the first thing I thought of. (Maybe The Show AM is in syndication :P) --[[User:Libertyernie|Libertyernie]] 21:36, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

== Mongolian ==

This is another reference to a Mongolian Product, such as the Finest Mongolian Aftershave Lotion.--[[User:Zonis|Zonis]] 17:46, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

== Mid-term Election Time?? ==

Does anybody else think it was not just a coincidence that this came out fairly soon after the mid-term elections in the USA?
I mean it even has Homestar as the Capitol building. Just putting it out there... {{User:Raptor5ix/sig}} 00:39, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

:I think coincidence. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 03:48, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

::I think it's not just a coincidence; it's the first thing that came to my mind when I saw they were going governmental. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 05:52, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Happy Hallow-day

2006-10-31T00:20:07Z

Trelawney: /* Real-World References */ terrible grammatical blunders!

{{toonnav|Holiday Toon|hallowday|Happy Trogday|Homestarloween Party}}
[[Image:Hahahaha_halloween.png|thumb|"In unrelated news, this newsboy get-up is not my Halloween costume!"]]
It's Halloween Night but it's not Halloween ''night''. Everyone sets out to find out what happened to it before Halloween is over!

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Marzipan}}, {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|Strong Mad}}, {{Film|The Cheat}}, {{Film|Strong Sad}}, {{Film|Pom Pom}}, {{Film|Coach Z}}, {{Film|Bubs}}, {{Film|The Goblin}}, {{Film|The King of Town}}, {{Film|The Poopsmith}}, {{Film|Homsar}} (Easter egg)

See [[Happy Hallow-day Costumes]] for more information on what everyone was wearing.

'''Places:''' [[The Field]], [[Strong Bad's Basement]], [[Spooky Forest]], [[Bubs' Concession Stand]], [[King of Town's Castle]]

'''Page Title:''' HA HA HA HA Halloween Night!

'''Date:''' October 30, 2006

'''Running Time:''' 5:18 [[TV Time Toons Menu|official]], 5:14 actual 

== Transcript ==

''{Marzipan walks through the field, which is sprinkled with leaves. A clock comes up from the bottom of the screen reading "8:13 pm"; however, the sun is clearly still out. Strong Bad hides behind The Stick wearing a red witch's hat and mask.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{half-singing}'' Do do-doo doo, lots of leaves, Do do-doo hmm...

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{jumps out from behind The Stick}'' Groady bloody gross and blood!

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{bored}'' Eh, nice try, Strong Bad. I'm just not feeling it in broad daylight. And, you're hiding behind a twig.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yeah, I know. Why isn't it dark yet?

''{Cut to Homestar, dressed as a newsboy and holding up a newspaper. As he says each line, he holds up a different newspaper whose headline matches what he's saying.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Extrie, extrie! Read all about it! Halloween night missing! Citizens mobilize to save holiday! In unrelated news, this newsboy get-up is not my Halloween costume!

''{Closeup of The Local Newspapes. It has a piture of two pumpkins, the headline reads, "Happy Hallow-Day!", and the subtitle reads, "These ARE the opening credits!"}''

''{Cut to Strong Bad's Basement. Strong Bad and The Cheat are on the couch. Strong Mad is standing behind it.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{hits the newspaper he's holding}'' This is bull-tonk! How are we supposed to scandalize and vandalize without the protective cover of Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha-Halloween night?

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{questioning squeaks}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I'm going to interrogate the toilet for about eight minutes. See if he knows anything. After that, we'll form into a giant robotic Halloween Night-finding space panther! ''{Walks off. Strong Mad and The Cheat make confused faces. Strong Bad Pops back in.}'' Or not.

''{Cut to the field with Homestar, Pom Pom, and Strong Sad. The clock comes up and reads "11:18 pm".}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Halloween Niiiight! Come here boy! ''{whistles and brings out chew toy that looks like a brain with a bolt and eyeball sticking out of it. He squeaks it while talking.}'' I got this spooky, yucky chew toy for ya!

'''STRONG SAD:''' Homestar, you are aware that Halloween Night is not a puppy, aren't you?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{in a laughing voice}'' Ye-heh-hes! ''{whistles}'' Obviously! I am...! Aware...! That it is not...! What was that last part?

'''STRONG SAD:''' A puppy.

'''HOMESTAR:''' A puppy!

'''STRONG SAD:''' Okay, good. But seriously, we have to find Halloween Night. I don't do so well with all this sunlight! ''{Dramatic music plays. Strong Sad looks toward the menacing sunlight.}''

'''HOMESTAR:''' ''{in wacky postures}'' Sit, Halloween Night, Sit! Sit! Sit! Sit! You sit! Sit sit-sit!

''{Strong Sad and Pom Pom run away.}''

'''HOMESTAR:''' ''{whistles}''

''{Cut to Marzipan and Coach Z on a different part of the field. Marzipan is playing her guitar, Carol}''

'''COACH Z:''' Hey, whatcha doing there, sista!

'''MARZIPAN:''' I'm trying to attract Halloween Night with music. It loves reggae, you know!

'''COACH Z:''' Good idear! And I can do some of my famous Halloween sound effects that everybody knows me for.

'''MARZIPAN:''' Coach Z, I don't think that's what everybody knows you for.

'''COACH Z:''' What are ya torkin' abort? Listen to this spooky owl! Hort! Hort hort! Hort hort! Or get a load of these creepy crackets! Cricket! Cricket-dadadadada! Cricket-dadadadada!

'''MARZIPAN:''' We be jammin'!

''{scene changes to Bubs' Concession Stand}''

'''BUBS:''' What is wrong with you people? I got instant spray-on Halloween Night! ''{sprays can}'' I got Halloween Night vision goggles! I even got this do-it yourself Halloween Night hovercraft kit

''{static and change to spooky woods with Strong Bad, Strong Mad and The Cheat}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Aw man, I thought sure we'd find Halloween Night in the spooky woods! This place has really gone uphill since it dissappeared! Even that rotten old skull doesn't seem so creepy.

'''THE SKULL:''' ''{rainbow afro comes out of head}'' A-jam on it!

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{the cheat noises}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Good thinkin' Monchicheat! That guy's always hanging out with Halloween Night! But how do we find him?

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{cheat noises and pulls out keybord and plays the Goblin's organ jingle}''

''{The Goblin Appears}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' What's this crap-cake? Where's Halloween Night? Strong Mad, pat him down! ''{Strong Mad hangs The Goblin by his feet and shakes him. Several coins, a pencil, and a hamster ball fall out.}'' Aw, he's clean. I'm taking that hamster ball though.

''{scene changes to outside The King of Town's Castle with Strong Sad, Pom Pom, The King of Town, and The Poopsmith.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Cough it up King of Town! We know you ate Halloween Night!

'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' You armatures don't know what your talking about. I'm on a diet. ''{The Poopsmith nods his head}'' Strictly Arbor Day and Earth Day this year. ''{The Poopsmith nods his head}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Well now where do we look? I kneed some doom and gloom soon. ''{laughing}'' Something funny is happening to the sides of my mouth.''{Sides of his mouth wiggle and make weird noises}''

''{scene changes to have Homestar making a boxtrap at The Stick}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Homestar Runner, you are a genius! Thank you, Doug. Tell us what your doing here. Well it occured to me that no Halloween Night could resist these orenge and black flavored loose tooth remover candies.

'''COACH Z:''' How are they biting today Homestar?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Sound Effects Man! Ooo-ooo! Do broken wheelchair - On cobblestone.

'''COACH Z:''' ''{weird noises}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' It's like I'm right there, wheeling grandma through the old town. Do you want to stop for a kielbasa, grandma?

''{scene changes to The Field with Marzipan, Strong Sad and Pom Pom. Strong Mad, Strong Bad and The Cheat walk in. Strong Sad's mouth is still wiggling.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{laughing}'' Somebody shoot me.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Man, this sucks. Halloween Night's almost over and still no sign of Halloween Night. We should be turning treats right now!

''{Marzipan walks in}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Oh you guys didn't have any luck either? Oh well, happy Halloween anyways everybody. ''{Gets darker}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Woah! Say that again!

'''MARZIPAN:''' Say whay? Happy Halloween? ''{Gets darker}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Now somebody else say it!

'''COACH Z:''' Harrpy Harrlaw- ''{Gets brighter}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{covers Coach Z's mouth}'' Not you, Coach Z. Now everybody, all at the same time!

'''EVERYONE:''' HAPPY HALLOWEEN!

''{Turns to night}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, yes it worked! I'm gonna egg so many candies and eat so many houses. I'm gonna-

''{rooster noise and sun comes up}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' So, uh, what do we do now?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ummm..

'''EVERYONE:''' HAPPY DAY OF THE DEAD!

{end screen}

==Easter Eggs==
* As with other Halloween cartoons, click on the Poopsmith's head (after the King of Town says "this year") to see Homsar. (He will also appear in the end scene, but he doesn't have a separate easter egg.)
*: ''{Homsar is standing beside a pile of newspapers similar to those Homestar is seen with during the toon intro. He is holding up one of the papers to display the headline "EGGS TREE! EGGS TREE!", and a tree growing eggs as fruit can be seen behind him}''
*: '''HOMSAR:''' Eggs tree, eggs tree! This get-up ''is'' mah get down! ''{as he says the second sentence, his head sinks into his neck, leaving an empty space}''
* At the end, click on Strong Bad:
*: '''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Sta-rong. Bad. That's the best Evil Carmen Sandiego costume I've ever seen!
*: '''STRONG BAD:''' If I wasn't dressed up as a pretend priest-comedian, I'd beat the crap outta you right now.
* At the end, click on Marzipan:
*: '''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Marzipan, I just ''love'' your "I-have-a-caterpillar-crawling-across-my forehead" costume! That's kind of a mustache...have..costume...
* At the end, click on The Cheat:
*: '''STRONG SAD:''' Uh, The Cheat, technically shouldn't all this sunlight be turning you into some sort of horrible beastie?
*: '''THE CHEAT:''' ''{Covers eyes, The Cheat noises sounding similar to Gizmo's line "Bright lights! Bright lights!"}''
* At the end click on Strong Sad:
*: '''STRONG BAD:''' 'At's a good costume, Strong Sad. What is that, you at your twenty-year high school reunion?

==Fun Facts==

===Explanations===
*The [[Wikipedia:Day of the Dead|Day of the Dead]] is a celebration of the memory of deceased ancestors which is celebrated on November 1st and November 2nd in Mexico. Its art and themes also feature prominently in Frida Kahlo's work.

===Trivia===
*The music played during the scene at [[Bubs' Concession Stand]] is the same music that is played during the scenes at Bubs' Concession Stand in [[Senorial Day]].
*This is a rare Halloween where Homestar does not at any point mention [[Witch's Brew]].

===Remarks===
*This is the first time we see Homestar whistle.
*If you view the Flash file in a Decompiler, it reveals that the stack of newspapers on the Loading screen says "Eggs Tree! Eggs Tree!", which is the same newspaper Homsar holds up in his scene.
**When Homestar holds up the "In Unrelated News" newspaper, the stack next to him also reads "Eggs Tree! Eggs Tree!"

===Goofs===
[[Image:Hahahalloweengoof.PNG|thumb|Coach Z's arm goof]]
*In the scene where Coach Z is imitating a wheelchair, the candy Homestar dropped on the gound in the previous shot is still visible, now in mid-air, and appears on top of Coach Z's arm.
*After Homestar's close-up during Coach Z's wheelchair impression, the last candy in front of the box trap, a black one, has disappeared.
*Sunlight doesn't turn Mogwai into Gremlins, it kills them. Eating after midnight is what triggers the transformation.
*If you made Homsar appear in the toon, at the end, if you click on someone to start a dialogue, and roll over Homsar while they are speaking, the bubble with his name and costume will still appear.

===Inside References===
*"The Local Newspapes" was also the name of the newspaper Strong Bad was reading in the email [[candy product]].
*Homestar's "orange and black flavored loose tooth removers" are a reference to Marshie's "orange and black flavored" marshmallows seen in [[Malloween Commercial]].
*Bub's do-it yourself Halloween Night hovercraft kit is a Hollerin' Jimmy's brand which previously apeared in the email [[lackey]]. Bubs also had the product then.
*At the end, Homestar [[What are you supposed to be?|compares]] Strong Bad's costume to his [[The House That Gave Sucky Treats|2001]] costume: [[wikipedia:Carmen Sandiego|Carmen Sandiego]].
*Strong Bad's glasses are in the same style as his [[Dangeresque]] glasses, but with a different rim color.

===Real-World References===
* Forming into a "giant mechanical space panther" may be a reference to [[Wikipedia:Voltron|Voltron]].
* Strong Bad calls The Cheat a [[Wikipedia:Monchhichis|Monchicheat]].
* Strong Bad's witch mask is identical to Lucy's from [[Wikipedia:It's_the_Great_Pumpkin,_Charlie_Brown|It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown]].
* This cartoon may be inspired by the upcoming lengthening of [[Wikipedia:Daylight_savings_time#Daylight_Saving_for_Halloween|Daylight savings time for Halloween]] in 2007.
* Gizmo is a [[Wikipedia:mogwai|mogwai]] from the movies [[Wikipedia:Gremlins|Gremlins]] and [[Wikipedia:Gremlins 2: The New Batch|Gremlins 2: The New Batch]]. In the movie, if a mogwai was exposed to Sunlight, it would be killed.

==External Links==
*[[HR:hallowday.html|Watch "Happy Hallow-day"]]
*[[HR:hallowday.swf|View the Flash file for "Happy Hallow-day"]]

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[[Category:Halloween]]

Happy Hallow-day

2006-10-31T00:14:19Z

Trelawney: /* Goofs */

{{toonnav|Holiday Toon|hallowday|Happy Trogday|Homestarloween Party}}
[[Image:Hahahaha_halloween.png|thumb|"In unrelated news, this newsboy get-up is not my Halloween costume!"]]
It's Halloween Night but it's not Halloween ''night''. Everyone sets out to find out what happened to it before Halloween is over!

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Marzipan}}, {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|Strong Mad}}, {{Film|The Cheat}}, {{Film|Strong Sad}}, {{Film|Pom Pom}}, {{Film|Coach Z}}, {{Film|Bubs}}, {{Film|The Goblin}}, {{Film|The King of Town}}, {{Film|The Poopsmith}}, {{Film|Homsar}} (Easter egg)

See [[Happy Hallow-day Costumes]] for more information on what everyone was wearing.

'''Places:''' [[The Field]], [[Strong Bad's Basement]], [[Spooky Forest]], [[Bubs' Concession Stand]], [[King of Town's Castle]]

'''Page Title:''' HA HA HA HA Halloween Night!

'''Date:''' October 30, 2006

'''Running Time:''' 5:18 [[TV Time Toons Menu|official]], 5:14 actual 
== Transcript ==

''{Marzipan walks through the field, which is sprinkled with leaves. A clock comes up from the bottom of the screen reading "8:13 pm"; however, the sun is clearly still out. Strong Bad hides behind The Stick wearing a red witch's hat and mask.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{half-singing}'' Do do-doo doo, lots of leaves, Do do-doo hmm...

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{jumps out from behind The Stick}'' Groady bloody gross and blood!

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{bored}'' Eh, nice try, Strong Bad. I'm just not feeling it in broad daylight. And, you're hiding behind a twig.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yeah, I know. Why isn't it dark yet?

''{Cut to Homestar, dressed as a newsboy and holding up a newspaper. As he says each line, he holds up a different newspaper whose headline matches what he's saying.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Extrie, extrie! Read all about it! Halloween night missing! Citizens mobilize to save holiday! In unrelated news, this newsboy get-up is not my Halloween costume!

''{Closeup of The Local Newspapes. It has a piture of two pumpkins, the headline reads, "Happy Hallow-Day!", and the subtitle reads, "These ARE the opening credits!"}''

''{Cut to Strong Bad's Basement}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{hits the newspaper he's holding}'' This is bull-tonk! How are we supposed to scandalize and vandalize without the protective cover of Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha-Halloween night?

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{questioning cheat noises}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I'm going to interrogate the toilet for about eight minutes. See if he knows anything. After that, we'll form into a giant robotic Halloween night-finding space panther! ''{Walks off. Strong Mad and The Cheat make confused faces. Strong Bad Pops back in.}'' Or not.

''{Cut to the field with Homestar, Pom Pom, and Strong Sad. The clock comes up and reads "11:18 pm".}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Halloween Niiiight! Come here boy! ''{whistles and brings out chew toy that looks like a brain with a bolt and eyeball sticking out of it. He squeaks it while talking.}'' I got this spooky, yucky chew toy for ya!

'''STRONG SAD:''' Homestar, you are aware that Halloween Night is not a puppy, aren't you?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{in a laughing voice}'' Ye-es. ''{whistles}'' Obviously. I am aware that it is not. What was that last part?

'''STRONG SAD:''' A puppy.

'''HOMESTAR:''' A puppy.

'''STRONG SAD:''' Okay, good. But seriously, we have to find Halloween Night. I don't do so well with all this sunlight! ''{eerie music plays}''

'''HOMESTAR:''' Sit, Halloween Night, Sit! Sit! Sit! Sit! Sit! Sit sit-sit!

''{Strong Sad and Pom Pom run away.}''

'''HOMESTAR:''' ''{whistles}''

''{scene changes to Marzipan and Coach Z on a different part of the field}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{playing her guitar, Carol}''

'''COACH Z:''' Hey, whatcha doing there, sista!

'''MARZIPAN:''' I'm trying to attract Halloween Night with music. It loves reggae, you know!

'''COACH Z:''' Good idear! And I can do some of my famous Halloween sound effects that everybody knows me for.

'''MARZIPAN:''' Coach Z, I don't think that's what everybody knows you for.

'''COACH Z:''' What are ya torkin' abort? Listen to this spooky owl! Hort! Hort hort! Hort hort! Or get a load of these creepy crackets! Cricket! Cricket-dadadadada! Cricket-dadadadada!

'''MARZIPAN:''' We be jammin'!

''{scene changes to Bubs' Concession Stand}''

'''BUBS:''' What is wrong with you people? I got instant spray-on Halloween Night! ''{sprays can}'' I got Halloween Night vision goggles! I even got this do-it yourself Halloween Night hovercraft kit

''{static and change to spooky woods with Strong Bad, Strong Mad and The Cheat}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Aw man, I thought sure we'd find Halloween Night in the spooky woods! This place has really gone uphill since it dissappeared! Even that rotten old skull doesn't seem so creepy.

'''THE SKULL:''' ''{rainbow afro comes out of head}'' A-jam on it!

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{the cheat noises}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Good thinkin' Monchicheat! That guy's always hanging out with Halloween Night! But how do we find him?

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{cheat noises and pulls out keybord and plays the Goblin's organ jingle}''

''{The Goblin Appears}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' What's this crap-cake? Where's Halloween Night? Strong Mad, pat him down! ''{Strong Mad hangs The Goblin by his feet and shakes him. Several coins, a pencil, and a hamster ball fall out.}'' Aw, he's clean. I'm taking that hamster ball though.

''{scene changes to outside The King of Town's Castle with Strong Sad, Pom Pom, The King of Town, and The Poopsmith.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Cough it up King of Town! We know you ate Halloween Night!

'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' You armatures don't know what your talking about. I'm on a diet. ''{The Poopsmith nods his head}'' Strictly Arbor Day and Earth Day this year. ''{The Poopsmith nods his head}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Well now where do we look? I kneed some doom and gloom soon. ''{laughing}'' Something funny is happening to the sides of my mouth.''{Sides of his mouth wiggle and make weird noises}''

''{scene changes to have Homestar making a boxtrap at The Stick}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Homestar Runner, you are a genius! Thank you, Doug. Tell us what your doing here. Well it occured to me that no Halloween Night could resist these orenge and black flavored loose tooth remover candies.

'''COACH Z:''' How are they biting today Homestar?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Sound Effects Man! Ooo-ooo! Do broken wheelchair - On cobblestone.

'''COACH Z:''' ''{weird noises}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' It's like I'm right there, wheeling grandma through the old town. Do you want to stop for a kielbasa, grandma?

''{scene changes to The Field with Marzipan, Strong Sad and Pom Pom. Strong Mad, Strong Bad and The Cheat walk in. Strong Sad's mouth is still wiggling.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{laughing}'' Somebody shoot me.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Man, this sucks. Halloween Night's almost over and still no sign of Halloween Night. We should be turning treats right now!

''{Marzipan walks in}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Oh you guys didn't have any luck either? Oh well, happy Halloween anyways everybody. ''{Gets darker}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Woah! Say that again!

'''MARZIPAN:''' Say whay? Happy Halloween? ''{Gets darker}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Now somebody else say it!

'''COACH Z:''' Harrpy Harrlaw- ''{Gets brighter}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{covers Coach Z's mouth}'' Not you, Coach Z. Now everybody, all at the same time!

'''EVERYONE:''' HAPPY HALLOWEEN!

''{Turns to night}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, yes it worked! I'm gonna egg so many candies and eat so many houses. I'm gonna-

''{rooster noise and sun comes up}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' So, uh, what do we do now?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ummm..

'''EVERYONE:''' HAPPY DAY OF THE DEAD!

{end screen}

==Easter Eggs==
* As with other Halloween cartoons, click on the Poopsmith's head (after the King of Town says "this year") to see Homsar. (He will also appear in the end scene, but he doesn't have a separate easter egg.)
*: ''{Homsar is standing beside a pile of newspapers similar to those Homestar is seen with during the toon intro. He is holding up one of the papers to display the headline "EGGS TREE! EGGS TREE!", and a tree growing eggs as fruit can be seen behind him}''
*: '''HOMSAR:''' Eggs tree, eggs tree! This get-up ''is'' mah get down! ''{as he says the second sentence, his head sinks into his neck, leaving an empty space}''
* At the end, click on Strong Bad:
*: '''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Sta-rong. Bad. That's the best Evil Carmen Sandiego costume I've ever seen!
*: '''STRONG BAD:''' If I wasn't dressed up as a pretend priest-comedian, I'd beat the crap outta you right now.
* At the end, click on Marzipan:
*: '''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Marzipan, I just ''love'' your "I-have-a-caterpillar-crawling-across-my forehead" costume! That's kind of a mustache...have..costume...
* At the end, click on The Cheat:
*: '''STRONG SAD:''' Uh, The Cheat, technically shouldn't all this sunlight be turning you into some sort of horrible beastie?
*: '''THE CHEAT:''' ''{Covers eyes, The Cheat noises sounding similar to Gizmo's line "Bright lights! Bright lights!"}''
* At the end click on Strong Sad:
*: '''STRONG BAD:''' 'At's a good costume, Strong Sad. What is that, you at your twenty-year high school reunion?

==Fun Facts==

===Explanations===
*The [[Wikipedia:Day of the Dead|Day of the Dead]] is a celebration of the memory of deceased ancestors which is celebrated on November 1st and November 2nd in Mexico. Its art and themes also feature prominently in Frida Kahlo's work.

===Trivia===
*The music played during the scene at [[Bubs' Concession Stand]] is the same music that is played during the scenes at Bubs' Concession Stand in [[Senorial Day]].
*This is a rare Halloween where Homestar does not at any point mention [[Witch's Brew]].

===Remarks===
*This is the first time we see Homestar whistle.
*If you view the Flash file in a Decompiler, it reveals that the stack of newspapers on the Loading screen says "Eggs Tree! Eggs Tree!", which is the same newspaper Homsar holds up in his scene.
**When Homestar holds up the "In Unrelated News" newspaper, the stack next to him also reads "Eggs Tree! Eggs Tree!"

===Goofs===
[[Image:Hahahalloweengoof.PNG|thumb|Coach Z's arm goof]]
*In the scene where Coach Z is imitating a wheelchair, the candy Homestar dropped on the gound in the previous shot is still visible, now in mid-air, and appears on top of Coach Z's arm.
*After Homestar's close-up during Coach Z's wheelchair impression, the last candy in front of the box trap, a black one, has disappeared.
*Sunlight doesn't turn Mogwai into Gremlins, it kills them. Eating after midnight is what triggers the transformation.
*If you made Homsar appear in the toon, at the end, if you click on someone to start a dialogue, and roll over Homsar while they are speaking, the bubble with his name and costume will still appear.

===Inside References===
*"The Local Newspapes" was also the name of the newspaper Strong Bad was reading in the email [[candy product]].
*Homestar's "orange and black flavored loose tooth removers" are a reference to Marshie's "orange and black flavored" marshmallows seen in [[Malloween Commercial]].
*Bub's do-it yourself Halloween Night hovercraft kit is a Hollerin' Jimmy's brand which previously apeared in the email [[lackey]]. Bubs also had the product then.
*At the end, Homestar [[What are you supposed to be?|compares]] Strong Bad's costume to his [[The House That Gave Sucky Treats|2001]] costume: [[wikipedia:Carmen Sandiego|Carmen Sandiego]].
*Strong Bad's glasses are in the same style as his [[Dangeresque]] glasses, but with a different rim color.

===Real-World References===
* Forming into a "giant mechanical space panther" may be a reference to [[Wikipedia:Voltron|Voltron]].
* Strong Bad calls The Cheat a [[Wikipedia:Monchhichis|Monchicheat]].
* Strong Bad's witch mask is identical to Lucy's from [[Wikipedia:It's_the_Great_Pumpkin,_Charlie_Brown|It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown]].
* This cartoon may be inspired by the upcoming lengthening of [[Wikipedia:Daylight_savings_time#Daylight_Saving_for_Halloween|Daylight savings time for Halloween]] in 2007.
* Gizmo is a [[Wikipedia:mogwai|mogwai]] from the movie's [[Wikipedia:Gremlins|Gremlins]] and [[Wikipedia:Gremlins 2: The New Batch|Gremlins 2: The New Batch]], In the movie if a mogwai was exposed to Sunlight it would be killed.

==External Links==
*[[HR:hallowday.html|Watch "Happy Hallow-day"]]
*[[HR:hallowday.swf|View the Flash file for "Happy Hallow-day"]]

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{{subtitlesLinks|hallowday}}

[[Category:Halloween]]

Happy Hallow-day

2006-10-31T00:13:17Z

Trelawney: /* Remarks */ the stack *says* eggs tree, and that last bit was a sentence fragment

{{toonnav|Holiday Toon|hallowday|Happy Trogday|Homestarloween Party}}
[[Image:Hahahaha_halloween.png|thumb|"In unrelated news, this newsboy get-up is not my Halloween costume!"]]
It's Halloween Night but it's not Halloween ''night''. Everyone sets out to find out what happened to it before Halloween is over!

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Marzipan}}, {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|Strong Mad}}, {{Film|The Cheat}}, {{Film|Strong Sad}}, {{Film|Pom Pom}}, {{Film|Coach Z}}, {{Film|Bubs}}, {{Film|The Goblin}}, {{Film|The King of Town}}, {{Film|The Poopsmith}}, {{Film|Homsar}} (Easter egg)

See [[Happy Hallow-day Costumes]] for more information on what everyone was wearing.

'''Places:''' [[The Field]], [[Strong Bad's Basement]], [[Spooky Forest]], [[Bubs' Concession Stand]], [[King of Town's Castle]]

'''Page Title:''' HA HA HA HA Halloween Night!

'''Date:''' October 30, 2006

'''Running Time:''' 5:18 [[TV Time Toons Menu|official]], 5:14 actual 
== Transcript ==

''{Marzipan walks through the field, which is sprinkled with leaves. A clock comes up from the bottom of the screen reading "8:13 pm"; however, the sun is clearly still out. Strong Bad hides behind The Stick wearing a red witch's hat and mask.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{half-singing}'' Do do-doo doo, lots of leaves, Do do-doo hmm...

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{jumps out from behind The Stick}'' Groady bloody gross and blood!

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{bored}'' Eh, nice try, Strong Bad. I'm just not feeling it in broad daylight. And, you're hiding behind a twig.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yeah, I know. Why isn't it dark yet?

''{Cut to Homestar, dressed as a newsboy and holding up a newspaper. As he says each line, he holds up a different newspaper whose headline matches what he's saying.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Extrie, extrie! Read all about it! Halloween night missing! Citizens mobilize to save holiday! In unrelated news, this newsboy get-up is not my Halloween costume!

''{Closeup of The Local Newspapes. It has a piture of two pumpkins, the headline reads, "Happy Hallow-Day!", and the subtitle reads, "These ARE the opening credits!"}''

''{Cut to Strong Bad's Basement}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{hits the newspaper he's holding}'' This is bull-tonk! How are we supposed to scandalize and vandalize without the protective cover of Ha-Ha-Ha-Ha-Halloween night?

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{questioning cheat noises}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I'm going to interrogate the toilet for about eight minutes. See if he knows anything. After that, we'll form into a giant robotic Halloween night-finding space panther! ''{Walks off. Strong Mad and The Cheat make confused faces. Strong Bad Pops back in.}'' Or not.

''{Cut to the field with Homestar, Pom Pom, and Strong Sad. The clock comes up and reads "11:18 pm".}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Halloween Niiiight! Come here boy! ''{whistles and brings out chew toy that looks like a brain with a bolt and eyeball sticking out of it. He squeaks it while talking.}'' I got this spooky, yucky chew toy for ya!

'''STRONG SAD:''' Homestar, you are aware that Halloween Night is not a puppy, aren't you?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{in a laughing voice}'' Ye-es. ''{whistles}'' Obviously. I am aware that it is not. What was that last part?

'''STRONG SAD:''' A puppy.

'''HOMESTAR:''' A puppy.

'''STRONG SAD:''' Okay, good. But seriously, we have to find Halloween Night. I don't do so well with all this sunlight! ''{eerie music plays}''

'''HOMESTAR:''' Sit, Halloween Night, Sit! Sit! Sit! Sit! Sit! Sit sit-sit!

''{Strong Sad and Pom Pom run away.}''

'''HOMESTAR:''' ''{whistles}''

''{scene changes to Marzipan and Coach Z on a different part of the field}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{playing her guitar, Carol}''

'''COACH Z:''' Hey, whatcha doing there, sista!

'''MARZIPAN:''' I'm trying to attract Halloween Night with music. It loves reggae, you know!

'''COACH Z:''' Good idear! And I can do some of my famous Halloween sound effects that everybody knows me for.

'''MARZIPAN:''' Coach Z, I don't think that's what everybody knows you for.

'''COACH Z:''' What are ya torkin' abort? Listen to this spooky owl! Hort! Hort hort! Hort hort! Or get a load of these creepy crackets! Cricket! Cricket-dadadadada! Cricket-dadadadada!

'''MARZIPAN:''' We be jammin'!

''{scene changes to Bubs' Concession Stand}''

'''BUBS:''' What is wrong with you people? I got instant spray-on Halloween Night! ''{sprays can}'' I got Halloween Night vision goggles! I even got this do-it yourself Halloween Night hovercraft kit

''{static and change to spooky woods with Strong Bad, Strong Mad and The Cheat}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Aw man, I thought sure we'd find Halloween Night in the spooky woods! This place has really gone uphill since it dissappeared! Even that rotten old skull doesn't seem so creepy.

'''THE SKULL:''' ''{rainbow afro comes out of head}'' A-jam on it!

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{the cheat noises}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Good thinkin' Monchicheat! That guy's always hanging out with Halloween Night! But how do we find him?

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{cheat noises and pulls out keybord and plays the Goblin's organ jingle}''

''{The Goblin Appears}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' What's this crap-cake? Where's Halloween Night? Strong Mad, pat him down! ''{Strong Mad hangs The Goblin by his feet and shakes him. Several coins, a pencil, and a hamster ball fall out.}'' Aw, he's clean. I'm taking that hamster ball though.

''{scene changes to outside The King of Town's Castle with Strong Sad, Pom Pom, The King of Town, and The Poopsmith.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Cough it up King of Town! We know you ate Halloween Night!

'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' You armatures don't know what your talking about. I'm on a diet. ''{The Poopsmith nods his head}'' Strictly Arbor Day and Earth Day this year. ''{The Poopsmith nods his head}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Well now where do we look? I kneed some doom and gloom soon. ''{laughing}'' Something funny is happening to the sides of my mouth.''{Sides of his mouth wiggle and make weird noises}''

''{scene changes to have Homestar making a boxtrap at The Stick}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Homestar Runner, you are a genius! Thank you, Doug. Tell us what your doing here. Well it occured to me that no Halloween Night could resist these orenge and black flavored loose tooth remover candies.

'''COACH Z:''' How are they biting today Homestar?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Sound Effects Man! Ooo-ooo! Do broken wheelchair - On cobblestone.

'''COACH Z:''' ''{weird noises}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' It's like I'm right there, wheeling grandma through the old town. Do you want to stop for a kielbasa, grandma?

''{scene changes to The Field with Marzipan, Strong Sad and Pom Pom. Strong Mad, Strong Bad and The Cheat walk in. Strong Sad's mouth is still wiggling.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{laughing}'' Somebody shoot me.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Man, this sucks. Halloween Night's almost over and still no sign of Halloween Night. We should be turning treats right now!

''{Marzipan walks in}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Oh you guys didn't have any luck either? Oh well, happy Halloween anyways everybody. ''{Gets darker}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Woah! Say that again!

'''MARZIPAN:''' Say whay? Happy Halloween? ''{Gets darker}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Now somebody else say it!

'''COACH Z:''' Harrpy Harrlaw- ''{Gets brighter}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{covers Coach Z's mouth}'' Not you, Coach Z. Now everybody, all at the same time!

'''EVERYONE:''' HAPPY HALLOWEEN!

''{Turns to night}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, yes it worked! I'm gonna egg so many candies and eat so many houses. I'm gonna-

''{rooster noise and sun comes up}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' So, uh, what do we do now?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ummm..

'''EVERYONE:''' HAPPY DAY OF THE DEAD!

{end screen}

==Easter Eggs==
* As with other Halloween cartoons, click on the Poopsmith's head (after the King of Town says "this year") to see Homsar. (He will also appear in the end scene, but he doesn't have a separate easter egg.)
*: ''{Homsar is standing beside a pile of newspapers similar to those Homestar is seen with during the toon intro. He is holding up one of the papers to display the headline "EGGS TREE! EGGS TREE!", and a tree growing eggs as fruit can be seen behind him}''
*: '''HOMSAR:''' Eggs tree, eggs tree! This get-up ''is'' mah get down! ''{as he says the second sentence, his head sinks into his neck, leaving an empty space}''
* At the end, click on Strong Bad:
*: '''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Sta-rong. Bad. That's the best Evil Carmen Sandiego costume I've ever seen!
*: '''STRONG BAD:''' If I wasn't dressed up as a pretend priest-comedian, I'd beat the crap outta you right now.
* At the end, click on Marzipan:
*: '''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Marzipan, I just ''love'' your "I-have-a-caterpillar-crawling-across-my forehead" costume! That's kind of a mustache...have..costume...
* At the end, click on The Cheat:
*: '''STRONG SAD:''' Uh, The Cheat, technically shouldn't all this sunlight be turning you into some sort of horrible beastie?
*: '''THE CHEAT:''' ''{Covers eyes, The Cheat noises sounding similar to Gizmo's line "Bright lights! Bright lights!"}''
* At the end click on Strong Sad:
*: '''STRONG BAD:''' 'At's a good costume, Strong Sad. What is that, you at your twenty-year high school reunion?

==Fun Facts==

===Explanations===
*The [[Wikipedia:Day of the Dead|Day of the Dead]] is a celebration of the memory of deceased ancestors which is celebrated on November 1st and November 2nd in Mexico. Its art and themes also feature prominently in Frida Kahlo's work.

===Trivia===
*The music played during the scene at [[Bubs' Concession Stand]] is the same music that is played during the scenes at Bubs' Concession Stand in [[Senorial Day]].
*This is a rare Halloween where Homestar does not at any point mention [[Witch's Brew]].

===Remarks===
*This is the first time we see Homestar whistle.
*If you view the Flash file in a Decompiler, it reveals that the stack of newspapers on the Loading screen says "Eggs Tree! Eggs Tree!", which is the same newspaper Homsar holds up in his scene.
**When Homestar holds up the "In Unrelated News" newspaper, the stack next to him also reads "Eggs Tree! Eggs Tree!"

===Goofs===
[[Image:Hahahalloweengoof.PNG|thumb|Coach Z's arm goof]]
*In the scene where Coach Z is imitating a wheelchair, the candy Homestar dropped on the gound in the previous shot is still visible, now in mid-air, and appears on top of Coach Z's arm.
*After Homestar's close-up during Coach Z's wheelchair impression, the last candy in front of the box trap, a black one, has disappeared.
*Sunlight doesn't turn Mogwai into Gremlins. It kills them. Eating after midnight is what triggers the transformation.
*If you made Homsar appear in the toon, at the end, if you click on someone to start a dialogue, and roll over Homsar while they are speaking, the bubble with his name and costume will still appear.

===Inside References===
*"The Local Newspapes" was also the name of the newspaper Strong Bad was reading in the email [[candy product]].
*Homestar's "orange and black flavored loose tooth removers" are a reference to Marshie's "orange and black flavored" marshmallows seen in [[Malloween Commercial]].
*Bub's do-it yourself Halloween Night hovercraft kit is a Hollerin' Jimmy's brand which previously apeared in the email [[lackey]]. Bubs also had the product then.
*At the end, Homestar [[What are you supposed to be?|compares]] Strong Bad's costume to his [[The House That Gave Sucky Treats|2001]] costume: [[wikipedia:Carmen Sandiego|Carmen Sandiego]].
*Strong Bad's glasses are in the same style as his [[Dangeresque]] glasses, but with a different rim color.

===Real-World References===
* Forming into a "giant mechanical space panther" may be a reference to [[Wikipedia:Voltron|Voltron]].
* Strong Bad calls The Cheat a [[Wikipedia:Monchhichis|Monchicheat]].
* Strong Bad's witch mask is identical to Lucy's from [[Wikipedia:It's_the_Great_Pumpkin,_Charlie_Brown|It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown]].
* This cartoon may be inspired by the upcoming lengthening of [[Wikipedia:Daylight_savings_time#Daylight_Saving_for_Halloween|Daylight savings time for Halloween]] in 2007.
* Gizmo is a [[Wikipedia:mogwai|mogwai]] from the movie's [[Wikipedia:Gremlins|Gremlins]] and [[Wikipedia:Gremlins 2: The New Batch|Gremlins 2: The New Batch]], In the movie if a mogwai was exposed to Sunlight it would be killed.

==External Links==
*[[HR:hallowday.html|Watch "Happy Hallow-day"]]
*[[HR:hallowday.swf|View the Flash file for "Happy Hallow-day"]]

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[[Category:Halloween]]

Icon References in Halloween Costumes

2006-10-24T18:11:37Z

Trelawney: /* The House That Gave Sucky Treats */ doesn't need to be restated

[[Image:Homestar_GreatHero.PNG|thumb|150px|"Believe or not, I'm walking around. I never thought I could trick-or-tre-e-eat..."]]

During the [[Holidays#Halloween (October 31st)|Halloween toons]], the [[Characters#Main characters|characters]] dress up in [[Halloween Costumes|costumes]] in which to go 'trick or treating'. More often than not, such costumes are of an icon or celebrity from the 1970s, 80s and 90s. As a result, at least one character per toon occasionally speaks in dialogue or lines (or moves around) that somehow pertains to his/her respective costume.
==Occurrences==
===[[Homestarloween Party]]===
*'''Coach Z''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:Flavor Flav|Flavor Flav]] of the rap group [[Wikipedia:Public Enemy|Public Enemy]], Homestar comments on his costume by saying, "Coach Z is down with the PE". This is a reference to the group's song, "Burn Hollywood Burn", wherein guest-rapper [[Wikipedia:Ice Cube|Ice Cube]] raps "Ice Cube is down with the PE".
*'''The Cheat''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:Garfield|Garfield]], he holds his teddy bear, Pooky, which is actually Garfield's own teddy bear.

===[[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]]===
*'''Coach Z''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:Humpty Hump|Humpty Hump]], the rap he performs is from [[Wikipedia:Digital Underground|Digital Underground]]'s hit song, "The Humpty Dance," only Coach Z substitutes his own name for Humpty's.
*'''Strong Mad''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:William Perry (football)|William "Refrigerator" Perry]], he does a variation of that old prank phone call, "Is your refrigerator running?" In this case, he says, "Is your refrigerator perry running?"
*'''Marzipan''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:Joey Ramone|Joey Ramone]] of the punk rock group, The Ramones, she says, "Hey ho, let's go!" This is part of the lyrics to their song, "Blitzkrieg Bop", and also both a reference and tribute to Joey after he died earlier in 2001.
*'''Homsar''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:Popeye|Popeye]] comic strip character, [[Wikipedia:J. Wellington Wimpy|J. Wellington Wimpy]], who really adores hamburgers, he says, "I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for some candy today." This is a parody of Wimpy's catch phrase, "I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a hamburger today."
*'''Strong Bad''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:Carmen Sandiego|Carmen Sandiego]], he says, "Where in the world is my candy?" This is a reference to the computer game and TV show that features Carmen, "Where In the World Is Carmen Sandiego?"

===[[Pumpkin Carve-nival]]===
*'''The King of Town''' — Dressed as famous video game character [[Wikipedia:Mario|Mario]], he comments that he is a video game (which Marzipan wouldn't know, since she doesn't play video games). Later, after Homestar (or rather, Strong Bad dressed up as Homestar) gives him a worst prize, he laments, "Sorry, king, but our princess is in another castle." This is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Super Mario Bros.|first Super Mario Bros. game]], in which, after clearing each level (prior to the eighth and final level), the mushroom people Mario saves say, "Thank you, Mario. But our princess is in another castle!"

===[[3 Times Halloween Funjob]]===
*'''The King of Town''' — Dressed as the [[Wikipedia:Hamburglar|Hamburglar]], he says that he is "dressed to 'hamburgle'" and even utters the Hamburglar's catchphrase, "Robble-robble!"
*'''Stinkoman''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:Speed Racer|Speed Racer]], he declares that he's "a demon on wheels". This is directly lifted from the show's theme song, which also describes the title protagonist as "a demon on wheels".
*'''Strong Mad''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:Magnum P.I.|Magnum P.I.]], he bellows "Higgins!", who is actually Tom Selleck's boss on that show.
*'''Strong Sad''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:David Byrne|David Byrne]], leader of new wave group [[Wikipedia:Talking Heads|Talking Heads]], he says, "This is not my beautiful house! This is not my beautiful wife!" These are lyrics from the song, "Once In a Lifetime," by Talking Heads.
*'''The Poopsmith''' — Dressed as ''[[Wikipedia:Street Fighter|Street Fighter]]'' character, [[Wikipedia:M. Bison|M. Bison]], he performs a flaming maneuver. This is actually M. Bison's Psycho Crusher attack.

===[[Halloween Fairstival]]===
*'''Strong Bad''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:The Joker|the Joker]], he calls his posse his "bad pennies", which is what the Joker calls his henchmen. Later, at the end, he says, "Hello, kiddies, a-meet the Joker!"
*'''Homsar''' — Dressed as Kumar from the movie ''[[Wikipedia:Bottle Rocket|Bottle Rocket]]'', he says one of the character's most famous lines, "AaAaAa... I blew it, man! I just lost my touch."
*'''The King of Town''' — Dressed as the Mayor from the movie ''[[Wikipedia:The Nightmare Before Christmas|The Nightmare Before Christmas]]'', he turns his head around to show a second face with a blue tint and difference expression. The Mayor in the movie changes his face around when his mood changes.
*'''Homestar Runner''' — Dressed as Carl Spackler from the movie ''[[Wikipedia:Caddyshack|Caddyshack]]'', Homestar comments, "So I got that going for me. Which is nice." This was a line spoken by Spackler in that movie.
*'''Marzipan''' — Dressed as [[Wikipedia:Willie Nelson|Willie Nelson]], Strong Bad notices this by saying to her, "Hey Marzi, I just can't wait for you to get on the road again... and get hit by a schoolbus." The first part of this line is a reference to Nelson's song, appropriately titled "On the Road Again."

===[[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]]===
*'''Strong Bad''' — Dressed as Jambi the Genie from [[Wikipedia:Pee-wee's Playhouse|Pee-wee's Playhouse]], he says to The Cheat about Homestar, "Meka-leka-hi-meka-The Cheat, throw a TV on him...ho." This is a reference to Jambi's favorite incantation, "Meka-leka-hi-meka-hiney-ho." Later, when asked of what he is supposed to be, Strong Bad says he's Jambi and even says another of the character's signature lines to prove it: "Wish? Did somebody say 'wish'?"

*'''Homsar''' — Dressed as Tingle from [[Wikipedia:The Legend of Zelda series|Legend of Zelda]], he throws confetti and is also seen floating on a balloon, both of which Tingle does frequently.

== See also ==
*[[What are you supposed to be?]]

[[Category:Lists]]
[[Category:Halloween]]
[[Category:Inside Jokes]]

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retirement A

2006-10-02T19:04:05Z

Trelawney: /* Remarks */ contrast is one word

{{sbenav|159a|cliffhangers|some kinda robot}}
[[Image:sbemail159a.png|thumb|"Perfect! Now I'm out of my anti-depressant."]]
The Lappy-nappers are revealed! Can Strong Bad save his beloved fold-em-up computer? Find out in the first half of a two-part email!

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Marshie}}, {{Film|The Sad Kids}}, [[Lappy 486]], [[Tandy 400]], [[Compy 386]], [[The Paper]], {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|The King of Town}}

'''Places:''' [[Strong Bad's Basement]], [[Bubs' Concession Stand]], [[Computer Room]]

{{Comp|Tandy 400}}

'''Date:''' October 2, 2006

'''Running Time:''' 3:57

'''Page Title:''' Lappy 486

==Transcript==

''{Open in Strong Bad's computer room, coming in on a worried Strong Bad, while suspenseful music plays.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' My computer's been lappynapped!

''{A record scratches and the screen dims, Marshie comes in from the bottom of the screen.}''

'''MARSHIE:''' Hello, Kenneth!

''{Marshie flies across a yellow background.}''

'''MARSHIE:''' Hear me roar!

''{Marshie growls for a moment, then opens his mouth wide, the background turns red, sound lines come out of his mouth, and he meows. Cut to a shot of the Sad Kids standing on top of Marshie.}''

'''MARSHIE:''' That's right, kids!

''{Silhouettes of the main characters scroll across the page, with big question marks over them. As he names the sweepstakes, the name appears on the screen.}''

'''MARSHIE:''' Play the Fluffy Puff Marshmallows ''My Lappy Got Stole!'' Sweepstakes and win big!

''{As Marshie says "big", he grows a large, fat, white body, and his voice deepens. Cut to a shot of a bicycle. Marshie's voice is back to normal.}''

'''MARSHIE:''' First prize,—

''{A shot of a metal detector}''

'''MARSHIE:''' —second tries,—

''{Marshie, in a car, driving along with mountains in the background}''

'''MARSHIE:''' ''{singing}'' Take a trip to the mountains... ''{these words appear above the mountains, written on a musical staff}''

''{The screen dims and Marshie comes down from the top with a top hat and a cane.}''

'''MARSHIE:''' I'm a song and dance man!

''{Cut to a wooden desk, with a note card on it.}''

'''MARSHIE:''' Just email who you think done it on a 3x5 note card,—

''{"it was the HIPPO!" is written on the note card.}''

'''MARSHIE:''' —stick a Fluffy Puff on each corner,—

''{Four marshmallows appear, one stuck on each corner of the card. Cut to Marshie, talking through gritted teeth, in front of a painting.}''

'''MARSHIE:''' —and just walk away, mother...

''{Cut to Strong Bad's basement, looking at the ad on the TV. Marshie is next to a bag of Fluffy Puff Marshmallows.}''

'''MARSHIE:''' Fluffy Puff Marshmallows. Yeah! Still!

''{The words "Yeah! Still!" appear underneath Marshie. Cut to Strong Bad lying on the couch, surrounded by empty chip packets of various descriptions.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' You gotta be kidding me. Man, everybody's trying to make a buck o' nine off my heart-drooping loss.

''{He feels around in the nearest bag of chips, and finds that it's empty.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, perfect. Now I'm out of my antidepressant. Nothing dulls the pain quite like several dozen half-full bags of ''{as he lists the flavourings, symbols for them appear at the top of the screen}'' Italian-herb-chipotle-buffalo-ranch-guacamole-Thai-peanut-style chippety-chumps. I guess I'll slink off to Bubs' and refill my prescription. Slinnnk...

''{Strong Bad somehow slides up and over the armrest of the couch, and off screen. Cut to Strong Bad at Bubs' Concession Stand. Bubs is nowhere to be seen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Bubs! Hello? Can I get a witness? Bubs? ''{looks around the stand, and screams}''

''{Pan to the side of the stand, we see the Lappy's power cord hanging off the roof. Tense music plays.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' The Lappy's tail! I'll save you, Lappy-pie... boo... ''{runs back and forth anxiously}'' Just keep your pixels on. Strong Bad's got everything under control-alt-delete.

''{Strong Bad picks up a ladder from behind the stand, and climbs up onto the roof.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Who put you up here— Wha?!?

''{The suspensful music plays, and reveal the Lappy, with the broken Tandy and the shotgunned Compy. The Tandy is suspending a horseshoe magnet from a fishing rod above the Lappy's keyboard.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' It's my crappier and crappiest computers!

''{Both old computers fizz and spark.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Careful, guys, let's not do anything inappropriate with that magnet... I've got a lot of important text files on that 5 meg hard drive... Now just let the Lappy go, and we can all go out for hush puppies. You guys still like hush puppies, don't you?

''{Both old computers fizz and spark a lot.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Okay, fine. Hush puppies are out. For some reason I... I thought you guys liked hush puppies.

''{Both old computers keep fizzing and sparking. The Tandy also churns its floppy disk drive.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Sorry, guys, we're getting nowhere. I don't speak extravagantly broken computer.

''{The Paper comes down, reading "'Sup Strong Bad. I'll help with the translation."}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' The Paper! You're just in time! Find out what they want!

''{The Paper goes back up, and the Compy "talks" for a bit. The Paper comes back down with "They want to come out of retirement..."}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Retirement? They didn't retire, I threw them away. Ask them if they mean they want to come out of thrown-awayment.

''{The Paper comes down again, reading "They're not laughing. They each want to check one last email."}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Are they joking? Those guys couldn't check an email with the help of sixty horses dressed up as IT professionals!

''{The Tandy lowers the magnet a little, and the Lappy's screen turns on, showing:}''

<blockquote style="background: #06bfad; padding: 30px; width: 25em; margin: 0; border: none">
<div style="border: 1px solid black">
<p style="border-top: 2px solid white; border-left: 2px solid white; border-bottom: 2px solid #999; border-right: 2px solid #999; background: #CCC; color: black; font-size: 150%; text-align: center; line-height: 125%; margin: 0; padding: 0">
<big>Oh, Child!</big> 
It's the Teal Screen 
of Near Death! (TSoND)
</div></blockquote>

'''STRONG BAD:''' Okay, okay, okay! I'll do my best. If it'll save the orphanage... I mean, my Lappy, I'll do it. Now, let's check emails like it was the deuce double-ought dweice!

''{Both old computers "talk".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' It just means 2002... I... thought it was slick... slick-rick... way to talk...

''{Fade through black to Strong Bad with the Tandy at the email-checking desk.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' Green lines, green, green lines. It's a Strong Bad Email again.

<blockquote class="tandy email">
dearest strong bad 
do you remember the email that you deleted 
the hardest 
sincerly 
josh 
oakland
</blockquote>

''{Strong Bad reads "sincerly" as written, and "josh oakland" as "josho kland"}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Well, let's just see here... Zero capitalisation...

''{The first letters of each of "dearest", "strong", "bad", "do", "sincerly", "josh" and "oakland" are all briefly highlighted}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Misspelling...

''{The word "sincerly" is briefly highlighted}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Lack of punctuation...

''{The blank spaces after "bad", "hardest", "sincerly" and "josh" are all briefly highlighted}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Looks like a winner to me! ''{typing}'' Dearest Josho, I have some good news for you! I DO remember the email that I deleted the hardest. And I'm still remembering it right now!!! ''{stops typing}'' Homestar! Little help please.

''{Pull back to reveal Homestar pouring a bottle of Mountain Dew into the hole in the side of the Tandy}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' I'm way ahead of ya, SB.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Then, we'll just add some of the King of Town's fizzy denture tablets.

''{Strong Bad holds up a box of "Oh No You Dent!!!" disgusting old person tablets}''

'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' ''{offscreen}'' Thems is my after-dinner mints!

''{Strong Bad tips several of the tablets into the hole.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{heavy reverb}'' And now if you'd please turn in your hymnals, and join me in singing number 119, a-deleted.

''{Strong Bad hits the keyboard, and the "DELETED!!" screen comes up, with a gothic font. Organ music plays.}''

'''STRONG BAD & HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{singing}'' Deleted!

''{Strong Bad swings a pickaxe through the keyboard and the desk. The Tandy explodes, and gives off a bad graphics mushroom cloud.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Goodbye, old girl. They'll always say you went out in a blaze of green rectangular glory.

''{Homestar, with one eye closed, starts pouring Mountain Dew on the carpet. Cut to a closeup of Strong Bad.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' All right! One down, one to go.

''{Cut to a shot of the shotgunned Compy on the desk. The suspensful music plays. The Paper comes down, reading "To Be Continued Tomorrow!"}''

==Easter Eggs==
* Click on Strong Bad's diamond when he says he's got a lot of important text files on Lappy's harddrive to see a selection of those files.
<table>
<tr valign="top"><td>
<blockquote style="font-family: monospace">
    clncknmsfrmyslf.txt 
Cool nicknames for myself 
-------------------------- 
Mr. Lewd Comment 1965 
Giantus 
The Fake Frenchman 
<del style="color:red">Light 'n Fluffy</del> NO! 
Heaven in Tights 
Good Fortunator 
Bicep Lad 
Lebner 
Mighty Legit 
Dabney Coleman's Evil Twin 
Wisewallace 
/got nothin' 
The Detroit Locksmith 
Prudeacre
</blockquote>
</td><td>
<blockquote style="font-family: monospace">
      cldshplog.txt 
 Cloud Shape Spotting Log 
------------------------- 
lightswitch w/no cover 
baseball headed baby 
brown water 
michigan w/2 bites out of it 
smallish elbow 
box of crackers (unopened) 
pestilence 
2 salamanders giving low-5's 
oversized novelty comb 
cheap date 
strong sad's ghost 
uppity maitre d 
strong sad's corpse 
diet pills
</blockquote>
</td><td>
<blockquote style="font-family: monospace">
    ltr2bkrythrftstr.txt 
Letter to Bakery Thrift Store 
------------------------- 
Dear Bakery Thrift Store, 
Whom do you think you are 
fooling? You sell old baked 
goods. The stuff regular 
bakeries throw away. So what 
if a loaf of bread is only 
29 cents? It's old bread. 
Should I start collecting 
roadkill squirrels, glue 
cotton balls to their butts 
and open an 'Aftermarket 
Rabbit Thrift Store?' Oh, 
wait. Yes I should. Thank You 
Bakery Thrift Store. Love, SB
</blockquote>
</td></tr>
</table>
[[Image:Dullard_sbemail159a.png|thumb|Horses in IT?]]
* Click on the roof vent after Strong Bad's joke about Horses in IT to see a [[Dullard]] comic.
* Click the plug socket after the explosion to replay the explosion animation.
{{clear}}

==Fun Facts==
===Explanations===
*The explosion following the addition of Mountain Dew and denture tablets to the Tandy 400 is due to the rapid release of carbon dioxide gas from both the carbonated water and the effervescent action of the sodium bicarbonate and citric acid in the tablets. This process is not to be confused with the [[Wikipedia:Mentos eruption|Mentos eruption]] phenomenon which releases gas only from the carbonated water due to the abundance of nucleation sites.
*[[Wikipedia:Control-Alt-Delete|Control-Alt-Delete]] is a computer keyboard command on [[Wikipedia:IBM PC compatible|IBM PC compatible]] systems that can be used to close programs or reboot the computer.

===Remarks===
[[Image:extra outlet and Lappy plug.png|thumb|120px|The Lappy's tail!]]
*In Marshie's Whodunnit? scene, every main character is visible silhouetted except for [[The Cheat]], [[The Poopsmith]], [[Homsar]] and [[Strong Bad]] himself.
*Strong Bad says that the Lappy's hard drive holds five "[[Wikipedia:Megabyte|megs]]." However, in [[animal]], the Lappy has a "2 MB Hard Drive!".
*During Strong Bad's confrontation with the Tandy and Compy, there are clickable areas on the Lappy's screen, but clicking on them has no effect. This is because the Tandy's contrast buttons are behind the Lappy, and they are disabled in this scene.
*The word "contrast" on Strong Bad's Tandy is in a different font than it was before the Tandy was thrown out.
*The Paper doesn't have a link to Strong Bad's email address.
*If you view the flash file, during the Mountain Dew scene, there is an extra plug outlet outside the black, complete with the Lappy's cord plugged in.

=== Goofs ===
*The Lappy seems to still have all its keys, despite one of them having been removed in [[cliffhangers]].
*The Strong Bad Email menu is still the Lappy 486 screen, even though Strong Bad hasn't gotten the Lappy back yet.

===Inside References===
*This is another appearance of [[Index Cards|index cards]] on the site.
*"Now, let's check emails like it was the deuce double-ought dweice!" may be a reference to the fact that Strong Bad last checked an email with the Tandy in 2002.
*The position of Strong Bad's head in front of the Tandy, his reflected mouth on the Tandy's screen and his lack of head movement is a reference to his early emails.
*"Number 119, a-deleted" may be a reference to Email #119 ([[animal]]) in which Strong Bad first got the Lappy.
*Two of the items on Strong Bad's Cloud Shape Spotting Log ("strong sad's ghost" and "strong sad's corpse") refer to [[Death#Strong Sad's Imagined Death|Strong Sad's imagined death]].
*Homestar pouring [[Mountain Dew]] into the Tandy is a reference to [[anything]], in which he poured Mountain Dew onto the Compy.
*The line "if it'll save the orphanage" is a reference to [[Kid Speedy]], in which coming "not last" wins you enough money to save the orphanage.

===Real-World References===
*The [[Wikipedia:Teal (color)|Teal]] Screen of Near Death is a reference to the various colored [[Wikipedia:Category:Screens of death|Screens of death]] used by computer operating systems to indicate serious system errors. The [[Compy 386]] has been seen to have its own [[Wikipedia:Blue Screen of Death|Blue Screen of Death]] (the [[Strong Bad's Computer Malfunctioning|Flagrant System Error]]) on more than one occasion.
*[[Wikipedia:Dabney Coleman|Dabney Coleman]] is an actor most known for his role in the films ''[[Wikipedia:Nine to Five|Nine to Five]]'' and ''[[Wikipedia:Tootsie|Tootsie]]''.
*Strong Bad scrambling back and forth underneath the Lappy's cord may be a reference to [[Wikipedia:Donkey Kong 3|Donkey Kong 3]], while the music is reminiscent of the game [[Wikipedia:Super Mario Bros. 2|Super Mario Bros. 2]], when the player is fighting a boss.
*[[Wikipedia:Slick Rick|Slick Rick]] was a popular hip-hop artist of the late 1980's and early 1990's.
*/got nothin' in the text files is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Fark.com|Fark.com]], where people sometimes end their posts with that remark.
*Homestar pouring Mountain Dew onto the carpet after the destruction of the Tandy may be a reference to the practice of pouring [[Wikipedia:libation|libations]] on the ground to honor the dead.
*A [[Wikipedia:Hushpuppy|Hushpuppy]] is a deep-fried ball of cornmeal commonly eaten in the southern United States.

==External Links==
{{sbemailextlinks|159a|9957}}

{{Strong Bad Email}}

retirement A

2006-10-02T18:59:05Z

Trelawney: added some words for clarity

{{sbenav|159a|cliffhangers|some kinda robot}}
[[Image:sbemail159a.png|thumb|"Perfect! Now I'm out of my anti-depressant."]]
The Lappy-nappers are revealed! Can Strong Bad save his beloved fold-em-up computer? Find out in the first half of a two-part email!

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Marshie}}, {{Film|The Sad Kids}}, [[Lappy 486]], [[Tandy 400]], [[Compy 386]], [[The Paper]], {{Film|Homestar Runner}}

'''Places:''' [[Strong Bad's Basement]], [[Bubs' Concession Stand]], [[Computer Room]]

{{Comp|Tandy 400}}

'''Date:''' October 2, 2006

'''Running Time:''' 3:57

'''Page Title:''' Lappy 486

==Transcript==

''{Open in Strong Bad's computer room, coming in on a worried Strong Bad, while suspenseful music plays.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' My computer's been lappynapped!

''{A record scratches and the screen dims, Marshie comes in from the bottom of the screen.}''

'''MARSHIE:''' Hello, Kenneth!

''{Marshie flies across a yellow background.}''

'''MARSHIE:''' Hear me roar!

''{Marshie growls for a moment, then opens his mouth wide, the background turns red, sound lines come out of his mouth, and he meows. Cut to a shot of the Sad Kids standing on top of Marshie.}''

'''MARSHIE:''' That's right, kids!

''{Silhouettes of the main characters scroll across the page, with big question marks over them. As he names the sweepstakes, the name appears on the screen.}''

'''MARSHIE:''' Play the Fluffy Puff Marshmallows ''My Lappy Got Stole!'' Sweepstakes and win big!

''{As Marshie says "big", he grows a large, fat, white body, and his voice deepens. Cut to a shot of a bicycle. Marshie's voice is back to normal.}''

'''MARSHIE:''' First prize,—

''{A shot of a metal detector}''

'''MARSHIE:''' —second tries,—

''{Marshie, in a car, driving along with mountains in the background}''

'''MARSHIE:''' ''{singing}'' Take a trip to the mountains... ''{these words appear above the mountains, written on a musical staff}''

''{The screen dims and Marshie comes down from the top with a top hat and a cane.}''

'''MARSHIE:''' I'm a song and dance man!

''{Cut to a wooden desk, with a note card on it.}''

'''MARSHIE:''' Just email who you think done it on a 3x5 note card,—

''{"it was the HIPPO!" is written on the note card.}''

'''MARSHIE:''' —stick a Fluffy Puff on each corner,—

''{Four marshmallows appear, one stuck on each corner of the card. Cut to Marshie, talking through gritted teeth, in front of a painting.}''

'''MARSHIE:''' —and just walk away, mother...

''{Cut to Strong Bad's basement, looking at the ad on the TV. Marshie is next to a bag of Fluffy Puff Marshmallows.}''

'''MARSHIE:''' Fluffy Puff Marshmallows. Yeah! Still!

''{The words "Yeah! Still!" appear underneath Marshie. Cut to Strong Bad lying on the couch, surrounded by empty chip packets of various descriptions.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' You gotta be kidding me. Man, everybody's trying to make a buck o' nine off my heart-drooping loss.

''{He feels around in the nearest bag of chips, and finds that it's empty.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, perfect. Now I'm out of my antidepressant. Nothing dulls the pain quite like several dozen half-full bags of ''{as he lists the flavourings, symbols for them appear at the top of the screen}'' Italian-herb-chipotle-buffalo-ranch-guacamole-Thai-peanut-style chippety-chumps. I guess I'll slink off to Bubs' and refill my prescription. Slinnnk...

''{Strong Bad somehow slides up and over the armrest of the couch, and off screen. Cut to Strong Bad at Bubs' Concession Stand. Bubs is nowhere to be seen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Bubs! Hello? Can I get a witness? Bubs? ''{looks around the stand, and screams}''

''{Pan to the side of the stand, we see the Lappy's power cord hanging off the roof. Tense music plays.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' The Lappy's tail! I'll save you, Lappy-pie... boo... ''{runs back and forth anxiously}'' Just keep your pixels on. Strong Bad's got everything under control-alt-delete.

''{Strong Bad picks up a ladder from behind the stand, and climbs up onto the roof.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Who put you up here— Wha?!?

''{The suspensful music plays, and reveal the Lappy, with the broken Tandy and the shotgunned Compy. The Tandy is suspending a horseshoe magnet from a fishing rod above the Lappy's keyboard.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' It's my crappier and crappiest computers!

''{Both old computers fizz and spark.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Careful, guys, let's not do anything inappropriate with that magnet... I've got a lot of important text files on that 5 meg hard drive... Now just let the Lappy go, and we can all go out for hush puppies. You guys still like hush puppies, don't you?

''{Both old computers fizz and spark a lot.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Okay, fine. Hush puppies are out. For some reason I... I thought you guys liked hush puppies.

''{Both old computers keep fizzing and sparking. The Tandy also churns its floppy disk drive.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Sorry, guys, we're getting nowhere. I don't speak extravagantly broken computer.

''{The Paper comes down, reading "'Sup Strong Bad. I'll help with the translation."}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' The Paper! You're just in time! Find out what they want!

''{The Paper goes back up, and the Compy "talks" for a bit. The Paper comes back down with "They want to come out of retirement..."}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Retirement? They didn't retire, I threw them away. Ask them if they mean they want to come out of thrown-awayment.

''{The Paper comes down again, reading "They're not laughing. They each want to check one last email."}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Are they joking? Those guys couldn't check an email with the help of sixty horses dressed up as IT professionals!

''{The Tandy lowers the magnet a little, and the Lappy's screen turns on, showing:}''

<blockquote style="background: #06bfad; padding: 30px; width: 25em; margin: 0; border: none">
<div style="border: 1px solid black">
<p style="border-top: 2px solid white; border-left: 2px solid white; border-bottom: 2px solid #999; border-right: 2px solid #999; background: #CCC; color: black; font-size: 150%; text-align: center; line-height: 125%; margin: 0; padding: 0">
<big>Oh, Child!</big> 
It's the Teal Screen 
of Near Death! (TSoND)
</div></blockquote>

'''STRONG BAD:''' Okay, okay, okay! I'll do my best. If it'll save the orphanage... I mean, my Lappy, I'll do it. Now, let's check emails like it was the deuce double-ought dweice!

''{Both old computers "talk".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' It just means 2002... I... thought it was slick... slick-rick... way to talk...

''{Fade through black to Strong Bad with the Tandy at the email-checking desk.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' Green lines, green, green lines. It's a Strong Bad Email again.

<blockquote class="tandy email">
dearest strong bad 
do you remember the email that you deleted 
the hardest 
sincerly 
josh 
oakland
</blockquote>

''{Strong Bad reads "sincerly" as written, and "josh oakland" as "josho kland"}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Well, let's just see here... Zero capitalisation...

''{The first letters of each of "dearest", "strong", "bad", "do", "sincerly", "josh" and "oakland" are all briefly highlighted}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Misspelling...

''{The word "sincerly" is briefly highlighted}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Lack of punctuation...

''{The blank spaces after "bad", "hardest", "sincerly" and "josh" are all briefly highlighted}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Looks like a winner to me! ''{typing}'' Dearest Josho, I have some good news for you! I DO remember the email that I deleted the hardest. And I'm still remembering it right now!!! ''{stops typing}'' Homestar! Little help please.

''{Pull back to reveal Homestar pouring a bottle of Mountain Dew into the hole in the side of the Tandy}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' I'm way ahead of ya, SB.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Then, we'll just add some of the King of Town's fizzy denture tablets.

''{Strong Bad holds up a box of "Oh No You Dent!!!" disgusting old person tablets}''

'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' ''{offscreen}'' Thems is my after-dinner mints!

''{Strong Bad tips several of the tablets into the hole.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{heavy reverb}'' And now if you'd please turn in your hymnals, and join me in singing number 119, a-deleted.

''{Strong Bad hits the keyboard, and the "DELETED!!" screen comes up, with a gothic font. Organ music plays.}''

'''STRONG BAD & HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{singing}'' Deleted!

''{Strong Bad swings a pickaxe through the keyboard and the desk. The Tandy explodes, and gives off a bad graphics mushroom cloud.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Goodbye, old girl. They'll always say you went out in a blaze of green rectangular glory.

''{Homestar, with one eye closed, starts pouring Mountain Dew on the carpet. Cut to a closeup of Strong Bad.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' All right! One down, one to go.

''{Cut to a shot of the shotgunned Compy on the desk. The suspensful music plays. The Paper comes down, reading "To Be Continued Tomorrow!"}''

==Easter Eggs==
* Click on Strong Bad's diamond when he says he's got a lot of important text files on Lappy's harddrive to see a selection of those files.
<table>
<tr valign="top"><td>
<blockquote style="font-family: monospace">
    clncknmsfrmyslf.txt 
Cool nicknames for myself 
-------------------------- 
Mr. Lewd Comment 1965 
Giantus 
The Fake Frenchman 
<del style="color:red">Light 'n Fluffy</del> NO! 
Heaven in Tights 
Good Fortunator 
Bicep Lad 
Lebner 
Mighty Legit 
Dabney Coleman's Evil Twin 
Wisewallace 
/got nothin' 
The Detroit Locksmith 
Prudeacre
</blockquote>
</td><td>
<blockquote style="font-family: monospace">
      cldshplog.txt 
 Cloud Shape Spotting Log 
------------------------- 
lightswitch w/no cover 
baseball headed baby 
brown water 
michigan w/2 bites out of it 
smallish elbow 
box of crackers (unopened) 
pestilence 
2 salamanders giving low-5's 
oversized novelty comb 
cheap date 
strong sad's ghost 
uppity maitre d 
strong sad's corpse 
diet pills
</blockquote>
</td><td>
<blockquote style="font-family: monospace">
    ltr2bkrythrftstr.txt 
Letter to Bakery Thrift Store 
------------------------- 
Dear Bakery Thrift Store, 
Whom do you think you are 
fooling? You sell old baked 
goods. The stuff regular 
bakeries throw away. So what 
if a loaf of bread is only 
29 cents? It's old bread. 
Should I start collecting 
roadkill squirrels, glue 
cotton balls to their butts 
and open an 'Aftermarket 
Rabbit Thrift Store?' Oh, 
wait. Yes I should. Thank You 
Bakery Thrift Store. Love, SB
</blockquote>
</td></tr>
</table>
[[Image:Dullard_sbemail159a.png|thumb|Horses in IT?]]
* Click on the roof vent after Strong Bad's joke about Horses in IT to see a [[Dullard]] comic.
* Click the plug socket after the explosion to replay the explosion animation.
{{clear}}

==Fun Facts==
===Explanations===
*The explosion following the addition of Mountain Dew and denture tablets to the Tandy 400 is due to the rapid release of carbon dioxide gas from both the carbonated water and the effervescent action of the sodium bicarbonate and citric acid in the tablets. This process is not to be confused with the [[Wikipedia:Mentos eruption|Mentos eruption]] phenomenon which releases gas only from the carbonated water due to the abundance of nucleation sites.
*[[Wikipedia:Control-Alt-Delete|Control-Alt-Delete]] is a computer keyboard command on [[Wikipedia:IBM PC compatible|IBM PC compatible]] systems that can be used to close programs or reboot the computer.

===Remarks===
[[Image:extra outlet and Lappy plug.png|thumb|120px|The Lappy's tail!]]
*In Marshie's Whodunnit? scene, every main character is visible silhouetted except for [[The Cheat]], [[The Poopsmith]], [[Homsar]] and [[Strong Bad]] himself.
*Strong Bad says that the Lappy's hard drive holds five "[[Wikipedia:Megabyte|megs]]." However, in [[animal]], the Lappy has a "2 MB Hard Drive!".
*During Strong Bad's confrontation with the Tandy and Compy, there are clickable areas on the Lappy's screen, but clicking on them has no effect. This is because the Tandy's contrast buttons are behind the Lappy, and they are disabled in this scene.
*The words "contrast" on Strong Bad's Tandy is in a different font than it was before the Tandy was thrown out.
*The Paper doesn't have a link to Strong Bad's email address.
*If you view the flash file, during the Mountain Dew scene, there is an extra plug outlet outside the black, complete with the Lappy's cord plugged in.

=== Goofs ===
*The Lappy seems to still have all its keys, despite one of them having been removed in [[cliffhangers]].
*The Strong Bad Email menu is still the Lappy 400 screen, even though Strong Bad hadn't gotten the Lappy back yet.

===Inside References===
*This is another appearance of [[Index Cards|index cards]] on the site.
*"Now, let's check emails like it was the deuce double-ought dweice!" may be a reference to the fact that Strong Bad last checked an email with the Tandy in 2002.
*The position of Strong Bad's head in front of the Tandy, his reflected mouth on the Tandy's screen and his lack of head movement is a reference to his early emails.
*"Number 119, a-deleted" may be a reference to Email #119 ([[animal]]) in which Strong Bad first got the Lappy.
*Two of the items on Strong Bad's Cloud Shape Spotting Log ("strong sad's ghost" and "strong sad's corpse") refer to [[Death#Strong Sad's Imagined Death|Strong Sad's imagined death]].
*Homestar pouring [[Mountain Dew]] into the Tandy is a reference to [[anything]], in which he poured Mountain Dew onto the Compy.
*The line "if it'll save the orphanage" is a reference to [[Kid Speedy]], in which coming "not last" wins you enough money to save the orphanage.

===Real-World References===
*The [[Wikipedia:Teal (color)|Teal]] Screen of Near Death is a reference to the various colored [[Wikipedia:Category:Screens of death|Screens of death]] used by computer operating systems to indicate serious system errors. The [[Compy 386]] has been seen to have its own [[Wikipedia:Blue Screen of Death|Blue Screen of Death]] (the [[Strong Bad's Computer Malfunctioning|Flagrant System Error]]) on more than one occasion.
*[[Wikipedia:Dabney Coleman|Dabney Coleman]] is an actor most known for his role in the films ''[[Wikipedia:Nine to Five|Nine to Five]]'' and ''[[Wikipedia:Tootsie|Tootsie]]''.
*Strong Bad scrambling back and forth underneath the Lappy's cord may be a reference to [[Wikipedia:Donkey Kong 3|Donkey Kong 3]], while the music is reminiscent of the game [[Wikipedia:Super Mario Bros. 2|Super Mario Bros. 2]], when the player is fighting a boss.
*[[Wikipedia:Slick Rick|Slick Rick]] was a popular hip-hop artist of the late 1980's and early 1990's.
*/got nothin' in the text files is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Fark.com|Fark.com]], where people sometimes end their posts with that remark.
*Homestar pouring Mountain Dew onto the carpet after the destruction of the Tandy may be a reference to the practice of pouring [[Wikipedia:libation|libations]] on the ground to honor the dead.
*A [[Wikipedia:Hushpuppy|Hushpuppy]] is a deep-fried ball of cornmeal commonly eaten in the southern United States.

==External Links==
{{sbemailextlinks|159a|9957}}

{{Strong Bad Email}}

Talk:Lappynapped!

2006-09-26T02:47:47Z

Trelawney: /* The Magical Spit-Bubble */

==The Magical Spit-Bubble==
When Strong Sad Has A Spit-Bubble Stuck In His Throat, His Voice Goes Ultra-Deep. Yet, When Homestar Has A Spit-Bubble In His Throat, His Voice Goes Ultra-High, In Fact, Exactly Like Marzipans. Shouldn't both Their Voices Go One Way? -- [[User:Assassinator666|Assassinator666]] 07:46, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

:I don't want to delve too deep into the physics of voice altering spit bubbles here (because I know squat about that), but I don't know why this should not be possible. It's, uhm, also funnier this way.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 10:35, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

::OBEY THE FUNNY! Also, save this Flash file to your computer, in case this goes the way of the [[Broken Compy Menu]]. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 12:18, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
:::I did an experiment about what spit bubbles in your throught make you sound like. They make yoyu sound kinda like Stitch. Or, If your yelling, Strong Mad.

-Alex H.

It's a reference to the Princess Bride, where the guy in the Pit of Despair has a similar problem with his voice, no? --[[User:66.213.14.20|66.213.14.20]] 23:56, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

:That gag was pulled in PB, and that's probably one of the more famous examples, but I'm not sure if it was the first or a reference or anything. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]

==Dolph's Phone Number==
Also, The Phone Number For The Axe-Training Poster, I Found Out, Is The Same As Daniel Ortega From The N.I.P . I Have NO Idea Why I Looked This Up. -- [[User:Assassinator666|Assassinator666]] 10:07, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

:Whoever Daniel Ortega from the N.I.P. is, he does not want to be called (the number [[Wikipedia:555 telephone number|does not exist]]).{{User:Loafing/sig}} 10:35, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

== Unlinked ==

Is it notable that this is not linked from anywhere except the main page oval? How would we note it if it is? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 13:59, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

:This is not a short!

::I've changed the category to reflect that it isn't in the TV Guide at all. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 14:10, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

== Munchy munchy ==

Is it safe to assume that this is another instance of the KOT eating people's property?--{{User:The4sword/sig}} 19:42, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
:Another? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::[[3 Times Halloween Funjob]] comes to mind. And [[suntan]]. Though I'm not sure this necessarily qualifies as a running gag. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:59, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
:::This fits in so neatly with his character that these need only be mentioned on his character page. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 20:02, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

== Guitar fun fact ==

I liked this fact (although would suggest it be reworded by someone better than me):
*"Furious Fingers" claims to have 17 guitars with 43 necks. With a ratio of roughly 2.5 necks per guitar, he must own several triple necked guitars and likely a few doubles as well.
The notable thing isnt so much the presence of the guitars, but the sheer number of multi-necked ones (if only 3 neck and one necked, then 13 would have to be triple, or 8 double and 9 triple), which strikes me (although i will admit that I am musically challenged at best) as a bit odd. Assuming no more than 3 necks per guitar (which I accept is wrong, but more seems to be rare from the Wikipedia [[Wikipedia:Double neck guitar|article]]), over half have to be triple for this to work. [[User:DumbMuscle|DumbMuscle]] 19:52, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
:Multiple-necked guitars are not so unusual - especially back in the 80's, you saw them quite a bit. Is it unusual for someone who collects guitars to have a lot of them? I guess it comes down to this: it doesn't seem notable because it's obvious from context that many of the guitars have to have multiple necks. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:58, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
::Well, im no math genious, but hwen it comes to guitars, i know guitars. [http://www.engadget.com/2004/10/30/music-thing-the-triple-neck-guitar/ here] is a real triple neck guitar for those doubting their existance. --{{User:Choc-O-Lardiac_Arrest/sig}} 21:56, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Okay, this is why wikis should be a bit more down-to-earth. Here we are, talking about double and triple necked guitars, but we never gave the idea of the KoT PLAYING A GUITAR!?! Especially a 'lectric one. A, he's got no talent (sides eating), and B, he's not exactly cool. We seriously need to be more down-to-earth. Not kidding, guys. {{User:Sluggy42/sig}} 00:35, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
::::Well, there was that Sketchbook image that showed the KoT as a member of ZZ Top... {{User:The_Spainish_Inquisition/sig}} 01:59, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
:::Two words: NO ARMS. seriously guys. fingers without arms... right.{{User:Csours/sig}} 02:07, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

== What have I done? ==

Dear god, what have I done? I email a completly random thing to SB, and then THIS happens. I feel sick. Then again, the lappy needed to go. I think it was having an affair with Marzipan's answering machine. [[User:Cessna Man!|Cessna Man!]] 21:40, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
:This is strictly Forum discussion. But don't let it get you down. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:44, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
::Man, Man, I'd give anything to have my email answered, and much more to have it be so important. Your email is part of Homestar Runner history! —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 22:27, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

== Future Category ==

So far this toon is only linked from the main page, but that is expected to change once the Brothers Chaps finish this story arc. While it will probably end up as a "Short", would it also be acceptable to classify this as a "Not-Quite-Strong-Bad-Email"? --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 15:45, 25 Sept 2006 (PDT)

:Well, it is categorized as such now. The categories are based on the TV Time menu on the site. As this is not in that (yet), it's premature to classify it as a Big Toon, Short or whatever. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:57, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Talk:No Hands On Deck!

2006-08-14T21:09:53Z

Trelawney: /* But will it play in Chicago? */ clarification

== What does "in progress" mean? ==

Folks, please note the <nowiki>{{inprogress}}</nowiki> template - Thunderbird is already working on the transcript, and rather than have him and everyone run into endless edit conflicts, please respect the template. K? Thanks. There are other sections we can work on. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 16:10, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
: Hey, only reason ''I'' messed with it was because of some [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=No_Hands_On_Deck%21&diff=356571&oldid=356568 sloppy edit] undoing what Thunderbird started. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
::Understood. I'm waiting for the notice to go down to correct the image extension from PNG to png myself. It was right at one point... {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 16:32, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Meh. Whatever. It's not like it was pretty much my only chance to ever do an actual transcription of a visual toon. I'm sure I'll have another chance in another two years of wiking or so. Though it is darn annoying when you spend 10 minutes transcribing a toon, only to find out that one edit prior, somebody else already transcribed the same section, despite the in progress template. Maybe if I hadn't actually bothered to look for the Cardboard Marzipan precident, I would have got my revision out first. Oh well, I guess fastest transcriber wins, or something like that. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 16:57, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
::::'''Nobody''' wins when it's a contest in someone's mind. We're here to serve the HRWiki first, our pitiful little egos second, and slipshod work that has to be rewritten is less valuable to this user than a careful edit which lasts, all other things being equal. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 17:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Agreed, but I think there's some merit to combining the best elements of two edits as well if there are important differences between them. -[[User:Unknownwarrior33|Unknownwarrior33]] 20:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::True, but what we were discussing was the "screw-the-other-guy" push to be the one who can transcribe the toon (presumably to brag about it on a user page). That's a little different. Observing the <nowiki>{{inprogress}}</nowiki> is important, wouldn't you agree? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 20:31, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

== Feeding ducks through a tube ==

This is probably a reference to force-feeding geese in order to harvest their livers for foie gras. This has come under attack by animal rights activists recently.

:Yup, see [[No Hands On Deck!#Explanations]]. Thanks. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:51, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

== Added to main page? ==

lol the toon came out the morning but its not on any of the main pages but it iz in the toons menu
iz this the 1st thime that's happened? {{User:Rabb/sig}}
:It is on the main pages, all of them.... {{User:Salty/sig}} 18:23, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
::I see "New Short Toon" in a red oval... clear your cache? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:24, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

== But will it play in Chicago? ==

I question the relevance of the mention of Chicago's ban on foie gras. One, this toon is not made near Chicago; while it's a story on the news all over, it's not directly relevant to Atlanta. Two, they started this days ago, and the comment fits neatly into Marzipan's character even if there was no Chicago news today. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:39, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

:I didn't include that bit when I first wrote the fact because I didn't know about it. Heck, I didn't even know about foie gras until I did some research on tubes and ducks. When I saw the bit about the Chicago ban was added then removed and then re-added, I beefed it up a [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=No_Hands_On_Deck%21&diff=356693&oldid=356686 teesy bit], but I can probably take it or leave it. What do others think? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:50, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
::Just to clarify - the tube bit is clearly a reference to foie gras and the controversy. It's just the specific tie-in to today's news from Chicago that seems a stretch. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I support this fact. TBC said in interviews that what they like most about doing cartoons on the internet, is that they can change stuff in the last minute. Maybe Marzi used to say something else, and was changed in light of the Chicago thing. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:56, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I like it. {{User:Csours/sig}} 19:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::There was an article in our paper about the impending ban three weeks ago, so they could easily have heard about it by toonmaking time. If not a reference, I'd bet it's at least inspired by the ban.[[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]

== I'm not Rapaport ==

I swear, they do this because we debate this stuff. Remember the "Mr. Chechov" controversy? Well, here we are again.

Now that we have an egg showing the spelling of "Rappaport", is it a reference to Michael Rapaport at all, or just the play? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:41, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

== Prescription ==

Strong Sad could have been talking about a contact lens prescription.

:No, He meant his medication. He thought that he was just seeing this (not with his eyes, that is). Also, you don't wear contacts in bed.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:52, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Talk:No Hands On Deck!

2006-08-14T21:08:57Z

Trelawney: /* But will it play in Chicago? */

== What does "in progress" mean? ==

Folks, please note the <nowiki>{{inprogress}}</nowiki> template - Thunderbird is already working on the transcript, and rather than have him and everyone run into endless edit conflicts, please respect the template. K? Thanks. There are other sections we can work on. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 16:10, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
: Hey, only reason ''I'' messed with it was because of some [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=No_Hands_On_Deck%21&diff=356571&oldid=356568 sloppy edit] undoing what Thunderbird started. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
::Understood. I'm waiting for the notice to go down to correct the image extension from PNG to png myself. It was right at one point... {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 16:32, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
:::Meh. Whatever. It's not like it was pretty much my only chance to ever do an actual transcription of a visual toon. I'm sure I'll have another chance in another two years of wiking or so. Though it is darn annoying when you spend 10 minutes transcribing a toon, only to find out that one edit prior, somebody else already transcribed the same section, despite the in progress template. Maybe if I hadn't actually bothered to look for the Cardboard Marzipan precident, I would have got my revision out first. Oh well, I guess fastest transcriber wins, or something like that. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 16:57, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
::::'''Nobody''' wins when it's a contest in someone's mind. We're here to serve the HRWiki first, our pitiful little egos second, and slipshod work that has to be rewritten is less valuable to this user than a careful edit which lasts, all other things being equal. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 17:00, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::Agreed, but I think there's some merit to combining the best elements of two edits as well if there are important differences between them. -[[User:Unknownwarrior33|Unknownwarrior33]] 20:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
::::::True, but what we were discussing was the "screw-the-other-guy" push to be the one who can transcribe the toon (presumably to brag about it on a user page). That's a little different. Observing the <nowiki>{{inprogress}}</nowiki> is important, wouldn't you agree? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 20:31, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

== Feeding ducks through a tube ==

This is probably a reference to force-feeding geese in order to harvest their livers for foie gras. This has come under attack by animal rights activists recently.

:Yup, see [[No Hands On Deck!#Explanations]]. Thanks. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:51, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

== Added to main page? ==

lol the toon came out the morning but its not on any of the main pages but it iz in the toons menu
iz this the 1st thime that's happened? {{User:Rabb/sig}}
:It is on the main pages, all of them.... {{User:Salty/sig}} 18:23, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
::I see "New Short Toon" in a red oval... clear your cache? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:24, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

== But will it play in Chicago? ==

I question the relevance of the mention of Chicago's ban on foie gras. One, this toon is not made near Chicago; while it's a story on the news all over, it's not directly relevant to Atlanta. Two, they started this days ago, and the comment fits neatly into Marzipan's character even if there was no Chicago news today. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:39, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

:I didn't include that bit when I first wrote the fact because I didn't know about it. Heck, I didn't even know about foie gras until I did some research on tubes and ducks. When I saw the bit about the Chicago ban was added then removed and then re-added, I beefed it up a [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=No_Hands_On_Deck%21&diff=356693&oldid=356686 teesy bit], but I can probably take it or leave it. What do others think? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:50, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
::Just to clarify - the tube bit is clearly a reference to foie gras and the controversy. It's just the specific tie-in to today's news from Chicago that seems a stretch. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:53, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
:::I support this fact. TBC said in interviews that what they like most about doing cartoons on the internet, is that they can change stuff in the last minute. Maybe Marzi used to say something else, and was changed in light of the Chicago thing. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:56, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
::::I like it. {{User:Csours/sig}} 19:28, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
:::::There was an article in our paper about it three weeks ago, so they could easily have heard about it by toonmaking time. If not a reference, I'd bet it's at least inspired by the ban.[[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]

== I'm not Rapaport ==

I swear, they do this because we debate this stuff. Remember the "Mr. Chechov" controversy? Well, here we are again.

Now that we have an egg showing the spelling of "Rappaport", is it a reference to Michael Rapaport at all, or just the play? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:41, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

== Prescription ==

Strong Sad could have been talking about a contact lens prescription.

:No, He meant his medication. He thought that he was just seeing this (not with his eyes, that is). Also, you don't wear contacts in bed.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:52, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Summer Short Shorts

2006-07-26T06:09:04Z

Trelawney: /* Excuse Me While I Kiss This Guy */

==Pom Pom segment==
Anyone want to bet how long it'll take before someone claims this is a Naruto reference? [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:41, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
:You mean like [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Summer_Short_Shorts&diff=348440&oldid=348439 here?] --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::D'oh! [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:44, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I was a bit fast on that one. But somehow you've just proven that it's obviously Naruto :-P {{User:Loafing/sig}} 08:44, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
::::Did any of you notice that part of this segment contradicts the "Strong Bad is in jail catoon"? In the begining of said cartoon, Strong Bad and The Cheat run up to Bub's Concession Stand which is shown right next to the woods. But when Pom Pom does that huge jump in this segment, it appears that Strong Badia is located between the woods and the Concession Stand. Weird o_0. [[User:Scholar of Homestar|Scholar of Homestar]] 15:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
::::Obviously Naruto, or Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, or House of Flying Daggers, or any other film where people fly through the trees. Actually I'm inclined to say it's more of a reference to live action martial arts because of way Pom Pom hovers above the ground before seems to parody the effect of using counterweight harnesses to give the effect of actors jumping incredibly high. I've never seen any of the ninjas on Naruto do that. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 16:22, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
:::::Actually, it's a reference to Prowlies at the River: http://www.biteycastle.com/prowlies.html
::::::Or it could be any movie/cartoon with lots of jumping through a forrest. as stated above.
Actually-actually ;), I thought people would think it was a Naruto reference because of the backgrounds. Although those backgrounds don't feature in the Naruto show in and of itself, it does feature in Cartoon Network's ads for Naruto, and add that with the ninja references and you'll see how people could get the idea. Without those backgrounds, it's just generic anime martial arts stuff. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 00:42, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
:*I thought the hovering was just because Pom Pom's a floatyman, like in the Yello Dello. I'm glad to see him get some screen time, though![[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]

== First forest ==

Is it worth mentioning that this is the first instance of a forest in the standard animation style? [[User:216.232.210.238|216.232.210.238]] 08:07, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
:Sure. I mean, that could be the creepy halloween forest during summer, but still...--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 14:09, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

== pi=pie? ==
Does anyone else think the Pi reference in this and weclome back could tie in with the pie running joke?

:I think you got it [http://clampettstudio.com/images/archives/wb/WB1026-PiE.jpg confused]. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 08:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

== Eggselent ==

I don't believe that Homestar says "Eggs, can I get you gentlemen..." I think he says the more logical "And". Thoughts? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:27, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
:Definatly sounds like "And" to me. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 08:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
::I leaning towards "And". {{User:Loafing/sig}} 09:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
:::Ef=ggs!
::::I think it should read "and", but I just wanted to say yes, I initially wondered whether he was saying "eggs". —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:10, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
:::::Coz I hear a faint S sound on the end and I did the transcription is why. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Raising the Seek Bar... ==

[[Image:LaBrea.PNG|thumb|Seek bars not spake here.]]
Lapper removed the Transcript edit about Cave Strong Bad's feet poking out from under the tar pit. He said it only comes up when you use a Seek Bar. I present to you: exhibit A. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:48, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
:I removed it because I checked on that a few hours ago and thought it was only the seek bar. But I did a very sloppy check. You were absolutely right. (btw, I'm not Lapper) {{User:Loafing/sig}} 08:51, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
::Sorry. Guess you're not the only one who did a sloppy check. Happens to the best of us. And me, too. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:56, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

== From the front to the back... ==

So these pants we are staring at: Are these from the front or the back? I can't really tell. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 09:25, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
:I say the front.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 09:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC) [[Image:Goodgraphics.PNG|thumb]]
::Back, and thus a double entendre on "end." [[User:68.5.95.211|68.5.95.211]] 12:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
:::Nice idea, but the same image is shown in the beginning and in the end.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 12:23, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
::::Can't Really Tell. -{{User:Homsar7/sig}}

== Excuse Me While I Kiss This Guy ==

I think the lyrics for "Brain Sister" are wrong (The trancscriber didn't seem too confident anyway). The line "She's a {mile?} away" sounds like it ends "all day" to me, not "away". Obviously "She's a mile all day" makes no sense at all, So I'm pretty sure that whole line is wrong. Can anybody make it out? [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 16:26, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
:And I don't seem able to manage any more than "She {three syllables} all day". I'm giving up for now. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 16:35, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
:I can't quite make it out, but to me it sounds more like "a low-res beauty queen" rather than a "lonely". [[User:67.42.210.44|67.42.210.44]] 20:49, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
I think it's something like "{something} texas all day". [[User:Elvis|Elvis]] 20:55, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
:I heard "low-res" the first two times, until I read the transcript. It's kinda mushy though, with the background music, so it's hard to tell.[[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]

== Fries and Catsup ==

Arn't they the same as from the e-mail [[funny]], from the "Computer Catsup" scene?
:Yes, unless you count "computer Catsup" as different. {{User:Steve/sig}} 17:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

== Captain Caveman ==

It's not nearly close enough for me to try to suggest that this was intentional, but the spots on Marzipan's cavewoman outfit remind me of the spots on [[Wikipedia:Captain Caveman and the Teen Angels|Captain Caveman]]'s cape. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:54, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

:From looking at [[Wikipedia:Image:Caveman.jpg|that picture]] i see that the cape was orange and the spots were circular. Marzipan is wearing brown and the spots are oddly shaped. Sorry to crush your hopes and dreams, {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 23:58, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
:(Edit clonflict) Much unlike the spots on [[Wikipedia:Fred Flintstone|Fred Flintstone's]] fashionable outfit of course ;-) I think it's just a caveman cliche.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:00, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

== Winger ==

I would like just to add that the Limozeen song might also be a reference to the Winger song, "seventeen".
Sincerely, Very Anonymous
:Is there any other reason than the title? There are many [[IMDB:seventeen|movies]] having "seventeen" in the title, and I'm sure there are even more songs. [[Wikipedia:Seventeen (song)|Here]] are some, and [[Wikipedia:Sixteen Going On Seventeen|here]] is one more. What makes the Winger song stand out?{{User:Loafing/sig}}

:I have 2 reasons
*1. It says "She's only seventeen"
*2. Winger is a metal band as well, as opposed to the Beatles.
:Sincerely, Anonymous

==Some 'splainin' to do?==
Is the Explanation "The Limozeen sequence simulates a laser show" even remotely necessary? What could it possibly be mistaken for? It's like saying "The sequence with Strong Bad, Strong Mad, and The Cheat simulates eating in a restaurant." -- [[User:69.168.10.233|69.168.10.233]] 02:31, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

: Not necessarily. Some people might not realize it's supposed to be a laser light show, and miss the laser light that is drawing the images behind it. They might think it's a weird art style. *shrug* --[[User:Bleed0range|Omega_Man]] 02:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Summer Short Shorts

2006-07-26T06:05:44Z

Trelawney: /* Pom Pom segment */

==Pom Pom segment==
Anyone want to bet how long it'll take before someone claims this is a Naruto reference? [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:41, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
:You mean like [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Summer_Short_Shorts&diff=348440&oldid=348439 here?] --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::D'oh! [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 07:44, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I was a bit fast on that one. But somehow you've just proven that it's obviously Naruto :-P {{User:Loafing/sig}} 08:44, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
::::Did any of you notice that part of this segment contradicts the "Strong Bad is in jail catoon"? In the begining of said cartoon, Strong Bad and The Cheat run up to Bub's Concession Stand which is shown right next to the woods. But when Pom Pom does that huge jump in this segment, it appears that Strong Badia is located between the woods and the Concession Stand. Weird o_0. [[User:Scholar of Homestar|Scholar of Homestar]] 15:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
::::Obviously Naruto, or Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon, or House of Flying Daggers, or any other film where people fly through the trees. Actually I'm inclined to say it's more of a reference to live action martial arts because of way Pom Pom hovers above the ground before seems to parody the effect of using counterweight harnesses to give the effect of actors jumping incredibly high. I've never seen any of the ninjas on Naruto do that. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 16:22, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
:::::Actually, it's a reference to Prowlies at the River: http://www.biteycastle.com/prowlies.html
::::::Or it could be any movie/cartoon with lots of jumping through a forrest. as stated above.
Actually-actually ;), I thought people would think it was a Naruto reference because of the backgrounds. Although those backgrounds don't feature in the Naruto show in and of itself, it does feature in Cartoon Network's ads for Naruto, and add that with the ninja references and you'll see how people could get the idea. Without those backgrounds, it's just generic anime martial arts stuff. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 00:42, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
:*I thought the hovering was just because Pom Pom's a floatyman, like in the Yello Dello. I'm glad to see him get some screen time, though![[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]

== First forest ==

Is it worth mentioning that this is the first instance of a forest in the standard animation style? [[User:216.232.210.238|216.232.210.238]] 08:07, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
:Sure. I mean, that could be the creepy halloween forest during summer, but still...--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 14:09, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

== pi=pie? ==
Does anyone else think the Pi reference in this and weclome back could tie in with the pie running joke?

:I think you got it [http://clampettstudio.com/images/archives/wb/WB1026-PiE.jpg confused]. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 08:17, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

== Eggselent ==

I don't believe that Homestar says "Eggs, can I get you gentlemen..." I think he says the more logical "And". Thoughts? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:27, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
:Definatly sounds like "And" to me. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 08:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
::I leaning towards "And". {{User:Loafing/sig}} 09:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
:::Ef=ggs!
::::I think it should read "and", but I just wanted to say yes, I initially wondered whether he was saying "eggs". —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:10, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
:::::Coz I hear a faint S sound on the end and I did the transcription is why. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Raising the Seek Bar... ==

[[Image:LaBrea.PNG|thumb|Seek bars not spake here.]]
Lapper removed the Transcript edit about Cave Strong Bad's feet poking out from under the tar pit. He said it only comes up when you use a Seek Bar. I present to you: exhibit A. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:48, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
:I removed it because I checked on that a few hours ago and thought it was only the seek bar. But I did a very sloppy check. You were absolutely right. (btw, I'm not Lapper) {{User:Loafing/sig}} 08:51, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
::Sorry. Guess you're not the only one who did a sloppy check. Happens to the best of us. And me, too. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:56, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

== From the front to the back... ==

So these pants we are staring at: Are these from the front or the back? I can't really tell. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 09:25, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
:I say the front.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 09:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC) [[Image:Goodgraphics.PNG|thumb]]
::Back, and thus a double entendre on "end." [[User:68.5.95.211|68.5.95.211]] 12:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
:::Nice idea, but the same image is shown in the beginning and in the end.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 12:23, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
::::Can't Really Tell. -{{User:Homsar7/sig}}

== Excuse Me While I Kiss This Guy ==

I think the lyrics for "Brain Sister" are wrong (The trancscriber didn't seem too confident anyway). The line "She's a {mile?} away" sounds like it ends "all day" to me, not "away". Obviously "She's a mile all day" makes no sense at all, So I'm pretty sure that whole line is wrong. Can anybody make it out? [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 16:26, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
:And I don't seem able to manage any more than "She {three syllables} all day". I'm giving up for now. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 16:35, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
:I can't quite make it out, but to me it sounds more like "a low-res beauty queen" rather than a "lonely". [[User:67.42.210.44|67.42.210.44]] 20:49, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
I think it's something like "{something} texas all day". [[User:Elvis|Elvis]] 20:55, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

== Fries and Catsup ==

Arn't they the same as from the e-mail [[funny]], from the "Computer Catsup" scene?
:Yes, unless you count "computer Catsup" as different. {{User:Steve/sig}} 17:33, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

== Captain Caveman ==

It's not nearly close enough for me to try to suggest that this was intentional, but the spots on Marzipan's cavewoman outfit remind me of the spots on [[Wikipedia:Captain Caveman and the Teen Angels|Captain Caveman]]'s cape. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:54, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

:From looking at [[Wikipedia:Image:Caveman.jpg|that picture]] i see that the cape was orange and the spots were circular. Marzipan is wearing brown and the spots are oddly shaped. Sorry to crush your hopes and dreams, {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 23:58, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
:(Edit clonflict) Much unlike the spots on [[Wikipedia:Fred Flintstone|Fred Flintstone's]] fashionable outfit of course ;-) I think it's just a caveman cliche.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:00, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

== Winger ==

I would like just to add that the Limozeen song might also be a reference to the Winger song, "seventeen".
Sincerely, Very Anonymous
:Is there any other reason than the title? There are many [[IMDB:seventeen|movies]] having "seventeen" in the title, and I'm sure there are even more songs. [[Wikipedia:Seventeen (song)|Here]] are some, and [[Wikipedia:Sixteen Going On Seventeen|here]] is one more. What makes the Winger song stand out?{{User:Loafing/sig}}

:I have 2 reasons
*1. It says "She's only seventeen"
*2. Winger is a metal band as well, as opposed to the Beatles.
:Sincerely, Anonymous

==Some 'splainin' to do?==
Is the Explanation "The Limozeen sequence simulates a laser show" even remotely necessary? What could it possibly be mistaken for? It's like saying "The sequence with Strong Bad, Strong Mad, and The Cheat simulates eating in a restaurant." -- [[User:69.168.10.233|69.168.10.233]] 02:31, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

: Not necessarily. Some people might not realize it's supposed to be a laser light show, and miss the laser light that is drawing the images behind it. They might think it's a weird art style. *shrug* --[[User:Bleed0range|Omega_Man]] 02:52, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Store T-Shirts

2006-07-22T05:59:35Z

Trelawney: /* A thought */ spelling...er...one of these is wrong.

== Get Ye Flask ==
Hey, there's a notice that a [http://homestarrunner.stores.yahoo.net/getyeflask.html "Get Ye Flask" tee] is coming up, on Monday I think. Should this be mentioned, or should we wait till it comes out? --[[User:The Experimental Film|The Experimental Film]] 05:18, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
:Good find. Go ahead put it on the list. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 05:22, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

== A thought ==

You know what would be useful to me, is if we (or someone) could start a page with pictures of people wearing the shirts so that one could see how they looked in real life before buying (particularly useful for babydoll). Just a thought; I know it's not very wikilike, but toothpastefordinner and threadless do it and it's quite useful.[[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]

Talk:Store T-Shirts

2006-07-22T05:58:58Z

Trelawney: A thought

redesign

2006-07-11T05:31:04Z

Trelawney: /* Explanations */

{{sbenav|153|isp|some kinda robot}}
[[Image:New iMac.png|thumb|"You clearly don't have what it takes to bring NO LOAFING into the digital age."]]

Strong Bad considers redesigning the [[No Loafing Sign|"No Loafing" sign]] and painting his computer room.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|The Cheat}}, {{Film|Coach Z}}

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[The Cheat's Computer Room]], [[Strong Bad's Laundry Room]]

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}

'''Date:''' July 10, 2006

'''Running Time:''' 3:47

'''Page Title:''' Lappy 486

==Transcript==
''{The scene opens in a darkened Computer Room with yellow tape (reading "LELLOWTAPE") all over the Lappy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{from offscreen}'' Email is nice, ''{the lights come on and Strong Bad sits down}'' dadadadadadada! ''{rips the tape away}'' Email is twice, habilascoobilasong! ''{pulls up the email}''

<blockquote class="lappy email">
<div>subject: keeping life exciting</div>
dear strong bad, 
dude i am getting bored of the "no loafing" sign and blue 
paint. 
 
jamie ericson canada
</blockquote>

''{The "dear strong bad" echoes, causing Strong Bad to look around a bit. Strong Bad pronounces "jamie ericson" as "hamiay eric-SON".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' That's so funny that you should say that Jamie, ''{says as an unintelligible mumble}'' because I was just thinking how bored I am with your butt, and your face, and your snotty nose.

''{"nose" echoes, and Strong Bad looks around some more. Strong Bad clears the screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' I guess the No Loafing sign could take a cue from the fast-food, soft drink, and bad sports team industries and combat sluggish sales and decades of losing with a slick logo redesign.

''{The screen cuts back and then pans over to the No Loafing sign. The blue wall vanishes.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{rapping to a beat}'' First you squish it, skew it, and turn it all around. Squish it, skew it, and turn it all around.

''{As he says this, the border disappears and the words are squished, skewed, and turned around. At the end, the words are at a slant.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Then we need to make it all fast and slick and shiny like Flo Jo in a tuxedo.

''{The words curve, the tops of the letters become spikes pointing to the left, and they become all shiny.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{rapping again}'' Uh! Flo Jo with a tuxedo!

''{The words react to the beat of his rap, various decorations litter the screen, and a circle with a slash through it appears behind the words.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Now it's time to play Color Wheel Roulette. No Whammies, no Whammies.

''{The colors of the sign cycle through various schemes, finally ending up on the words being a dull yellow and the circle in the background turning a greenish tan, with the blank space in the middle turning brown.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Awww... Ouch, man. Now, just when you think you're done, you gotta dip it in molten Plexiglas...

''{The entire sign becomes glossy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ...to give it that "children under 3 are sure to choke on it" goodness.

''{With a "ding", sparkles appear on the logo.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, wait. Almost forgot the fangs.

''{With a roar, bloody fangs sprout from the logo.}''

''{Cut to The Cheat and Strong Bad, with a new-style iMac in front of The Cheat. The logo Strong Bad described is on the monitor.}''

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{The Cheat noises}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Well, I don't know how we're going to print it out, seeing as how somebody sliced off the back of your monitor. And quit rubbing that plastic bar of soap ''{indicating The Cheat's mouse}'' on the desk. You clearly don't have what it takes to bring NO LOAFING into the digital age.

''{The Cheat closes the window, and Strong Bad turns toward the camera.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' But I does!

''{Cut back to the No Loafing sign}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Fresh from elementary school cafetoriums and lotto machines...

''{The No Loafing sign transforms into a cafeteria-style LED display.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' comes one of those actually pretty hard to read message board signs.

''{"NO LOAFING" scrolls past, followed by a crawling worm.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Capable of advanced animation, scrollabatonies...

''{The words "GRUEL IS COOL!" come in, with the individual pixels coming from opposite sides before meeting.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ...and twelve levels of blinkiness.

''{"NO LOAFING" returns and the letters blink. Then the screen blinks and fireworks appear on the display.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Now we can celebrate the lack of loafing with some fireworks! And a man doing cartwheels!

''{The fireworks disappear and a man doing cartwheels moves across the display. Cut to Strong Bad.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' No mortal would ''dare'' loaf under the four-colored dotted digital stare of this bad boy! Y'know, unless they looked up too late, and the "No" had already scrolled off...

''{Scrolls up to the display just as the "N" in "NO LOAFING" scrolls off.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ...so they thought that it said, "Do Loafing."

''{The words "DO LOAFING" scroll on.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Or maybe, like, Franklin Delano Loafing, our nation's laziest president.

''{The man doing cartwheels appears after "DO LOAFING", followed by "FRANKL" before the screen cuts back to Strong Bad's Lappy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' That's enough loaf. As for the blue wall, if you're going to repaint anything, you might as well use that magic green screen paint that Hollywood still thinks looks good. Then the wall can be anything you want!

''{Cut to Strong Bad's computer room, but with bright green walls instead of blue. Strong Bad happily skips in the middle of the screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' Imagine being able to frolic through the bread aisle...

''{The wall - and Strong Bad's bright green eyes - are replaced with an image of a bread aisle at a supermarket.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{still a voiceover}'' ...without leaving the house!

''{Strong Bad turns toward the screen and leans against the wall.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, bread aisle! Warm me with your enriched, bleached bosom! And please, give me back my sight!

''{Cut to another part of the computer room with the same green paint. Strong Bad is sitting on the floor, looking at the wall, and holding a controller.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' Or play your favorite video games where the pixels are big as hams!

''{The wall becomes a video game called "Sundae Drivin'", which appears to involve a giant bowl of ice cream on wheels driving down the road collecting toppings.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{imitating a car's engine}'' Vrrrrrrrr! Vrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

''{The sundae-car collects a cherry, and "CHERRY GET" appears on the top of the screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Vrrrrrrrrrr! Watch out for the wet walnuts!

''{The sundae-car collides with a brown jar with a "W" on it and it explodes.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Awwwwwww!

''{The screen reads "Your James Over".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' This game sucks.

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' But what green screens are ''really'' for...

''{The screen cuts to Strong Bad, with a Roman-style spear, shield, and helmet, looking at the wall, which appears to be an island village with a "Claymation" cycloptic monster on it.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{still a voiceover}'' ...is battling Claymation!

''{The monster steps forward and swipes in Strong Bad's direction.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' It'll take more than karate pants to keep me from toilet-papering the temple of the gods!

''{Coach Z walks in. Where his bright green body overlaps the wall, the green screen's image appears over him. His usual "Z" medallion is replaced with a glossy curved medallion with fangs, resembling The Cheat's remake of the No Loafing sign.}''

'''COACH Z:''' Hey, Strong Bad! Check it out! I squished it! And skewed it! And turned it all...

''{The medallion is squished, skewed, and turned around. Both Strong Bad and the monster run off.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Aaaaaaaaaaaah!

'''COACH Z:''' ...a... round?

''{Cut back to the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Aww, forget it, Jamie. ''{said as "whay-whay"}'' If you're so bored with my style, here's a change for ya.

''{Cut to the laundry room}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{from offscreen}'' No, pan up!

''{The screen pans up to reveal a seashell-themed wallpaper near the ceiling.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I've put up this delightful ocean-themed border in the laundry room! Oh, and look!

''{The screen zooms in on the dials on the washing machine.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I've hot-glued some actual shells onto the knobs of the washer and dryer!

''{Cut back to show Strong Bad standing next to the washer.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' All for under fifty bucks!

''{Cut to a close-up.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Well, that's our show. Join us next week when we show you how to knit your own splatter paints!

''{Cut back again}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' All for under fifty bucks!

''{A logo for "redesigning SBEMAILS, JERK FOOT" appears.}''

'''SINGERS:''' Ba-doo ba! Daaaah!

''{On "Daaaah!", the words "FOR UNDER 50 BUCKS" appear below. [[The Paper]] comes down.}''

==Easter Eggs==
[[Image:Colorwheelroulette.PNG|thumb|Stupid Home Edition!]]
*Click on the "No Loafing" sign when Strong Bad is playing color wheel roulette with it to see the box design for Color Wheel Roulette Stupid Home Edition by [[Boardelectrix]].
<blockquote>
-50% fewer deaths than Russian variety 
-Pant one, pant two!! 
-Twice as many deaths as Garden Variety 
</blockquote>
*When "Do Loafing" starts to scroll by on the sign, click it to see a bumper sticker for Sucky Mountain, Colorado.
*At the end, click on "Jerk" which gives a "conversation" between The Cheat's redesigned No Loafing sign and the redesigned Coach Z emblem.
:'''REDESIGNED NO LOAFING SIGN:''' ''{purrs, growls and then roars}''
:'''REDESIGNED COACH Z EMBLEM:''' ''{runs away}'' Yorp, yorp, yorp, yorp, yorp!

==Fun Facts==
{{checkstuffpage}}

===Explanations===
[[Image:No Loafing Marquee.png|thumb|The "New" No Loafing sign.]]
*The Lappy was covered in "LELLOWTAPE" because it had been nearly eight weeks (up to 55 days depending on when Strong Bad took the Lappy [[Weclome Back|skydiving]]) since the last email.
*[[wikipedia:Bluescreen|Greenscreens]] are used in filming in order to have an alternate background behind the live action. The solid color wall is digitally replaced by a chosen background. This technique is called Chroma-Key, and can actually be done with any color, though blue and green are the most popular since human skin tones do not contain blue or green pigments. 
*The No Loafing Scrolling Sign is actually a [[Wikipedia:LED#LED_display_panels|scrolling LED marquee]] ''(Pictured)''.
*The Color Wheel Roulette's claim of '50% fewer deaths than Russian variety' refers to the practice of [[Wikipedia:Russian roulette|Russian roulette]], in which a single round is placed in a revolver, the cylinder is spun, and the gun is fired at oneself, taking the chance that the bullet will be shot. Russian Roulette continues until a player shoots himself, so if we assume that a player dies when a bullet is shot, the odds of dying from Russian roulette are 16.66%(Assuming a six shooter). The odds of dying from Color Wheel Roulette are therefore 8.33% (one half of 16.66%).

===Trivia===
*This marks the first appearance of The Cheat's new computer (an [[Wikipedia:IMac#iMac G5|iMac G5]] or [[Wikipedia:IMac#iMac Core Duo|iMac Core Duo]]), replacing the "[[Tangerine Dreams]]" [[Wikipedia:IMac#iMac (Tray Loading) (aka iMac G3)|iMac G3]] he had previously.
*The floppy disk container reads, "[[Floppy Disk Container#sundae_drivin'|sundae drivin]]."

===Remarks===
*Strong Bad asks The Cheat how he can print when "someone has sliced the back off his screen", yet his laptop screen is just as thin and he has no trouble printing [[The Paper]] out.
*The cartoon shows Strong Bad playing video games on his greenscreen-painted wall. This is actually impossible in real life, since chromakey only replaces green areas after processing the film or video output. (This is why TV weather forecasters have to look at an off-camera monitor to actually see the map they are pointing to.) Strong Bad would only ever see a green wall, unless he were watching himself through a camera (or on his own email, perhaps).

===Goofs===
*When Strong Bad clears the screen, the "I was just thinking how bored I am with your butt, and" line disappears prematurely.

===Inside References===
*"Scrollabatonies" was previously used in one of the [[Scroll Button Songs]].
*The box design for "Color Wheel Roulette Stupid Home Edition" is a reference to [[The Show#The Show! Stupid Home Edition|The Show! Stupid Home Edition]] from [[geddup noise]].
*When Strong Bad's game says "Your James Over" at the end, it echoes the [[Homsar Main Page]], where "games" was pronounced "james".


===Real World References===
*"Franklin Delano Loafing" is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Franklin D. Roosevelt|Franklin Delano Roosevelt]], the 32nd President of the United States. It's also another instance of [[Presidents]].
*"Flo-Jo" was a nickname for [[Wikipedia:Florence Griffith Joyner|Florence Griffith Joyner]], an American athlete.
*"No [[Wikipedia:Whammy (Press Your Luck)|Whammies]]" was commonly chanted by players on the game show [[Wikipedia:Press Your Luck|Press Your Luck]].
*"Redesigning SBemails" at the end is a reference to the many house redesign shows on channels such as [[Wikipedia:HGTV|HGTV]]. The bassline that accompanies this title graphic is a likely [[Wikipedia:parody|parody]] of the theme music to the show [[Wikipedia:Trading Spaces|Trading Spaces]]
*The "Cherry Get!" graphic that appears when Strong Bad is playing "[[Sundae Drivin']]" is a reference to many Japanese video games, in which "[Object] Get!" is commonly displayed whenever you collect an object. 
*The scene with the stop-motion cyclops is a mashup of [[Wikipedia:Ray Harryhausen|Ray Harryhausen]] movies, most notably of [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051337/ The 7th Voyage of Sinbad], where Sinbad fights an orange cyclops on the beach.
*"Pant one, pant two!!" is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Pantone|Pantone]] color matching systems.
*The Color Wheel picture is similar to that of [[Wikipedia: Wheel of Fortune|Wheel of Fortune]].

==See Also==
*Email [[no loafing]]

==External Links==
{{sbemailextlinks|153|9061}}
{{Strong Bad Email}}

redesign

2006-07-11T05:30:31Z

Trelawney: there's no reason to take this out

{{sbenav|153|isp|some kinda robot}}
[[Image:New iMac.png|thumb|"You clearly don't have what it takes to bring NO LOAFING into the digital age."]]

Strong Bad considers redesigning the [[No Loafing Sign|"No Loafing" sign]] and painting his computer room.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|The Cheat}}, {{Film|Coach Z}}

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[The Cheat's Computer Room]], [[Strong Bad's Laundry Room]]

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}

'''Date:''' July 10, 2006

'''Running Time:''' 3:47

'''Page Title:''' Lappy 486

==Transcript==
''{The scene opens in a darkened Computer Room with yellow tape (reading "LELLOWTAPE") all over the Lappy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{from offscreen}'' Email is nice, ''{the lights come on and Strong Bad sits down}'' dadadadadadada! ''{rips the tape away}'' Email is twice, habilascoobilasong! ''{pulls up the email}''

<blockquote class="lappy email">
<div>subject: keeping life exciting</div>
dear strong bad, 
dude i am getting bored of the "no loafing" sign and blue 
paint. 
 
jamie ericson canada
</blockquote>

''{The "dear strong bad" echoes, causing Strong Bad to look around a bit. Strong Bad pronounces "jamie ericson" as "hamiay eric-SON".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' That's so funny that you should say that Jamie, ''{says as an unintelligible mumble}'' because I was just thinking how bored I am with your butt, and your face, and your snotty nose.

''{"nose" echoes, and Strong Bad looks around some more. Strong Bad clears the screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' I guess the No Loafing sign could take a cue from the fast-food, soft drink, and bad sports team industries and combat sluggish sales and decades of losing with a slick logo redesign.

''{The screen cuts back and then pans over to the No Loafing sign. The blue wall vanishes.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{rapping to a beat}'' First you squish it, skew it, and turn it all around. Squish it, skew it, and turn it all around.

''{As he says this, the border disappears and the words are squished, skewed, and turned around. At the end, the words are at a slant.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Then we need to make it all fast and slick and shiny like Flo Jo in a tuxedo.

''{The words curve, the tops of the letters become spikes pointing to the left, and they become all shiny.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{rapping again}'' Uh! Flo Jo with a tuxedo!

''{The words react to the beat of his rap, various decorations litter the screen, and a circle with a slash through it appears behind the words.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Now it's time to play Color Wheel Roulette. No Whammies, no Whammies.

''{The colors of the sign cycle through various schemes, finally ending up on the words being a dull yellow and the circle in the background turning a greenish tan, with the blank space in the middle turning brown.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Awww... Ouch, man. Now, just when you think you're done, you gotta dip it in molten Plexiglas...

''{The entire sign becomes glossy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ...to give it that "children under 3 are sure to choke on it" goodness.

''{With a "ding", sparkles appear on the logo.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, wait. Almost forgot the fangs.

''{With a roar, bloody fangs sprout from the logo.}''

''{Cut to The Cheat and Strong Bad, with a new-style iMac in front of The Cheat. The logo Strong Bad described is on the monitor.}''

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{The Cheat noises}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Well, I don't know how we're going to print it out, seeing as how somebody sliced off the back of your monitor. And quit rubbing that plastic bar of soap ''{indicating The Cheat's mouse}'' on the desk. You clearly don't have what it takes to bring NO LOAFING into the digital age.

''{The Cheat closes the window, and Strong Bad turns toward the camera.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' But I does!

''{Cut back to the No Loafing sign}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Fresh from elementary school cafetoriums and lotto machines...

''{The No Loafing sign transforms into a cafeteria-style LED display.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' comes one of those actually pretty hard to read message board signs.

''{"NO LOAFING" scrolls past, followed by a crawling worm.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Capable of advanced animation, scrollabatonies...

''{The words "GRUEL IS COOL!" come in, with the individual pixels coming from opposite sides before meeting.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ...and twelve levels of blinkiness.

''{"NO LOAFING" returns and the letters blink. Then the screen blinks and fireworks appear on the display.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Now we can celebrate the lack of loafing with some fireworks! And a man doing cartwheels!

''{The fireworks disappear and a man doing cartwheels moves across the display. Cut to Strong Bad.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' No mortal would ''dare'' loaf under the four-colored dotted digital stare of this bad boy! Y'know, unless they looked up too late, and the "No" had already scrolled off...

''{Scrolls up to the display just as the "N" in "NO LOAFING" scrolls off.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ...so they thought that it said, "Do Loafing."

''{The words "DO LOAFING" scroll on.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Or maybe, like, Franklin Delano Loafing, our nation's laziest president.

''{The man doing cartwheels appears after "DO LOAFING", followed by "FRANKL" before the screen cuts back to Strong Bad's Lappy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' That's enough loaf. As for the blue wall, if you're going to repaint anything, you might as well use that magic green screen paint that Hollywood still thinks looks good. Then the wall can be anything you want!

''{Cut to Strong Bad's computer room, but with bright green walls instead of blue. Strong Bad happily skips in the middle of the screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' Imagine being able to frolic through the bread aisle...

''{The wall - and Strong Bad's bright green eyes - are replaced with an image of a bread aisle at a supermarket.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{still a voiceover}'' ...without leaving the house!

''{Strong Bad turns toward the screen and leans against the wall.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, bread aisle! Warm me with your enriched, bleached bosom! And please, give me back my sight!

''{Cut to another part of the computer room with the same green paint. Strong Bad is sitting on the floor, looking at the wall, and holding a controller.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' Or play your favorite video games where the pixels are big as hams!

''{The wall becomes a video game called "Sundae Drivin'", which appears to involve a giant bowl of ice cream on wheels driving down the road collecting toppings.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{imitating a car's engine}'' Vrrrrrrrr! Vrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

''{The sundae-car collects a cherry, and "CHERRY GET" appears on the top of the screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Vrrrrrrrrrr! Watch out for the wet walnuts!

''{The sundae-car collides with a brown jar with a "W" on it and it explodes.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Awwwwwww!

''{The screen reads "Your James Over".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' This game sucks.

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' But what green screens are ''really'' for...

''{The screen cuts to Strong Bad, with a Roman-style spear, shield, and helmet, looking at the wall, which appears to be an island village with a "Claymation" cycloptic monster on it.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{still a voiceover}'' ...is battling Claymation!

''{The monster steps forward and swipes in Strong Bad's direction.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' It'll take more than karate pants to keep me from toilet-papering the temple of the gods!

''{Coach Z walks in. Where his bright green body overlaps the wall, the green screen's image appears over him. His usual "Z" medallion is replaced with a glossy curved medallion with fangs, resembling The Cheat's remake of the No Loafing sign.}''

'''COACH Z:''' Hey, Strong Bad! Check it out! I squished it! And skewed it! And turned it all...

''{The medallion is squished, skewed, and turned around. Both Strong Bad and the monster run off.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Aaaaaaaaaaaah!

'''COACH Z:''' ...a... round?

''{Cut back to the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Aww, forget it, Jamie. ''{said as "whay-whay"}'' If you're so bored with my style, here's a change for ya.

''{Cut to the laundry room}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{from offscreen}'' No, pan up!

''{The screen pans up to reveal a seashell-themed wallpaper near the ceiling.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I've put up this delightful ocean-themed border in the laundry room! Oh, and look!

''{The screen zooms in on the dials on the washing machine.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I've hot-glued some actual shells onto the knobs of the washer and dryer!

''{Cut back to show Strong Bad standing next to the washer.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' All for under fifty bucks!

''{Cut to a close-up.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Well, that's our show. Join us next week when we show you how to knit your own splatter paints!

''{Cut back again}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' All for under fifty bucks!

''{A logo for "redesigning SBEMAILS, JERK FOOT" appears.}''

'''SINGERS:''' Ba-doo ba! Daaaah!

''{On "Daaaah!", the words "FOR UNDER 50 BUCKS" appear below. [[The Paper]] comes down.}''

==Easter Eggs==
[[Image:Colorwheelroulette.PNG|thumb|Stupid Home Edition!]]
*Click on the "No Loafing" sign when Strong Bad is playing color wheel roulette with it to see the box design for Color Wheel Roulette Stupid Home Edition by [[Boardelectrix]].
<blockquote>
-50% fewer deaths than Russian variety 
-Pant one, pant two!! 
-Twice as many deaths as Garden Variety 
</blockquote>
*When "Do Loafing" starts to scroll by on the sign, click it to see a bumper sticker for Sucky Mountain, Colorado.
*At the end, click on "Jerk" which gives a "conversation" between The Cheat's redesigned No Loafing sign and the redesigned Coach Z emblem.
:'''REDESIGNED NO LOAFING SIGN:''' ''{purrs, growls and then roars}''
:'''REDESIGNED COACH Z EMBLEM:''' ''{runs away}'' Yorp, yorp, yorp, yorp, yorp!

==Fun Facts==
{{checkstuffpage}}

===Explanations===
[[Image:No Loafing Marquee.png|thumb|The "New" No Loafing sign.]]
*The Lappy was covered in "LELLOWTAPE" because it had been nearly eight weeks (up to 55 days depending on when Strong Bad took the Lappy [[Weclome Back|skydiving]]) since the last email.
*[[wikipedia:Bluescreen|Greenscreens]] are used in filming in order to have an alternate background behind the live action. The solid color wall is digitally replaced by a chosen background. This technique is called Chroma-Key, and can actually be done with any color, though blue and green are the most popular since human skin tones do not contain blue or green pigments. 
*The No Loafing Scrolling Sign is actually a [[Wikipedia:LED#LED_display_panels|scrolling LED marquee]] ''(Pictured)''.
*The Color Wheel Roulette's claim of '50% fewer deaths than Russian variety' refers to the practice of [[Wikipedia:Russian roulette|Russian roulette]], in which a single round is placed in a revolver, the cylinder is spun, and the gun is fired at oneself, taking the chance that the bullet will be shot. Russian Roulette continues until a player shoots himself, so if we assume that a player dies when a bullet is shot, the odds of dying from Russian roulette are 16.66%(Assuming a six shooter). The odds of dying from Color Wheel Roulette are 8.33% (one half of 16.66%).

===Trivia===
*This marks the first appearance of The Cheat's new computer (an [[Wikipedia:IMac#iMac G5|iMac G5]] or [[Wikipedia:IMac#iMac Core Duo|iMac Core Duo]]), replacing the "[[Tangerine Dreams]]" [[Wikipedia:IMac#iMac (Tray Loading) (aka iMac G3)|iMac G3]] he had previously.
*The floppy disk container reads, "[[Floppy Disk Container#sundae_drivin'|sundae drivin]]."

===Remarks===
*Strong Bad asks The Cheat how he can print when "someone has sliced the back off his screen", yet his laptop screen is just as thin and he has no trouble printing [[The Paper]] out.
*The cartoon shows Strong Bad playing video games on his greenscreen-painted wall. This is actually impossible in real life, since chromakey only replaces green areas after processing the film or video output. (This is why TV weather forecasters have to look at an off-camera monitor to actually see the map they are pointing to.) Strong Bad would only ever see a green wall, unless he were watching himself through a camera (or on his own email, perhaps).

===Goofs===
*When Strong Bad clears the screen, the "I was just thinking how bored I am with your butt, and" line disappears prematurely.

===Inside References===
*"Scrollabatonies" was previously used in one of the [[Scroll Button Songs]].
*The box design for "Color Wheel Roulette Stupid Home Edition" is a reference to [[The Show#The Show! Stupid Home Edition|The Show! Stupid Home Edition]] from [[geddup noise]].
*When Strong Bad's game says "Your James Over" at the end, it echoes the [[Homsar Main Page]], where "games" was pronounced "james".


===Real World References===
*"Franklin Delano Loafing" is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Franklin D. Roosevelt|Franklin Delano Roosevelt]], the 32nd President of the United States. It's also another instance of [[Presidents]].
*"Flo-Jo" was a nickname for [[Wikipedia:Florence Griffith Joyner|Florence Griffith Joyner]], an American athlete.
*"No [[Wikipedia:Whammy (Press Your Luck)|Whammies]]" was commonly chanted by players on the game show [[Wikipedia:Press Your Luck|Press Your Luck]].
*"Redesigning SBemails" at the end is a reference to the many house redesign shows on channels such as [[Wikipedia:HGTV|HGTV]]. The bassline that accompanies this title graphic is a likely [[Wikipedia:parody|parody]] of the theme music to the show [[Wikipedia:Trading Spaces|Trading Spaces]]
*The "Cherry Get!" graphic that appears when Strong Bad is playing "[[Sundae Drivin']]" is a reference to many Japanese video games, in which "[Object] Get!" is commonly displayed whenever you collect an object. 
*The scene with the stop-motion cyclops is a mashup of [[Wikipedia:Ray Harryhausen|Ray Harryhausen]] movies, most notably of [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051337/ The 7th Voyage of Sinbad], where Sinbad fights an orange cyclops on the beach.
*"Pant one, pant two!!" is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Pantone|Pantone]] color matching systems.
*The Color Wheel picture is similar to that of [[Wikipedia: Wheel of Fortune|Wheel of Fortune]].

==See Also==
*Email [[no loafing]]

==External Links==
{{sbemailextlinks|153|9061}}
{{Strong Bad Email}}

redesign

2006-07-10T22:37:16Z

Trelawney: /* Explanations */

{{sbenav|153|isp|some kinda robot}}
[[Image:New iMac.png|thumb|"You clearly don't have what it takes to bring NO LOAFING into the digital age."]]

Strong Bad considers redesigning the [[No Loafing Sign|No Loafing sign]] and painting his room.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|The Cheat}}, {{Film|Coach Z}}

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[The Cheat's Computer Room]], [[Strong Bad's Laundry Room]]

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}

'''Date:''' July 10, 2006

'''Running Time:''' 3:47

'''Page Title:''' Lappy 486

==Transcript==
''{The scene opens in a darkened Computer Room with yellow tape (reading "LELLOWTAPE") all over the Lappy.''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{from offcscreen}'' Email is nice, ''{the lights come on and Strong Bad sits down}'' dadadadadadada! ''{rips the tape away}'' Email is twice, habilascoobilasong! ''{pulls up the email}''

<blockquote class="lappy email">
<div>subject: keeping life exciting</div>
dear strong bad, 
dude i am getting bored of the "no loafing" sign and blue 
paint. 
 
jamie ericson canada
</blockquote>

''{The "dear strong bad" echoes, causing Strong Bad to look around a bit. Strong Bad pronounces "jamie ericson" as "hamiay eric-SON".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' That's so funny that you should say that Jamie, ''{says as an unintelligible mumble}'' because I was just thinking how bored I am with your butt, and your face, and your snotty nose.

''{"nose" echoes, and Strong Bad looks around some more. Strong Bad clears the screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' I guess the No Loafing sign could take a cue from the fast-food, soft drink, and bad sports team industries and combat sluggish sales and decades of losing with a slick logo redesign.

''{The screen cuts back and then pans over to the No Loafing sign. The blue wall vanishes.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{rapping to a beat}'' First you squish it, skew it, and turn it all around. Squish it, skew it, and turn it all around.

''{As he says this, the border disappears and the words are squished, skewed, and turned around. At the end, the words are at a slant.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Then we need to make it all fast and slick and shiny like Flo Jo in a tuxedo.

''{The words curve, the tops of the letters become spikes pointing to the left, and they become all shiny.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{rapping again}'' Uh! Flo Jo with a tuxedo!

''{The words react to the beat of his rap, various decorations litter the screen, and a circle with a slash through it appears behind the words.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Now it's time to play Color Wheel Roulette. No Whammies, no Whammies.

''{The colors of the sign cycle through various schemes, finally ending up on the words being a dull yellow and the circle in the background turning a greenish tan, with the blank space in the middle turning brown.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Awww... Ouch, man. Now, just when you think you're done, you gotta dip it in molten Plexiglas...

''{The entire sign becomes glossy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ...to give it that "children under 3 are sure to choke on it" goodness.

''{With a "ding", sparkles appear on the logo.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, wait. Almost forgot the fangs.

''{With a roar, bloody fangs sprout from the logo.}''

''{Cut to The Cheat and Strong Bad, with a new-style iMac in front of The Cheat. The logo Strong Bad described is on the monitor.}''

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{The Cheat noises}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Well, I don't know how we're going to print it out, seeing as how somebody sliced off the back of your monitor. And quit rubbing that plastic bar of soap ''{indicating The Cheat's mouse}'' on the desk. You clearly don't have what it takes to bring NO LOAFING into the digital age.

''{The Cheat closes the window, and Strong Bad turns toward the camera.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' But I does!

''{Cut back to the No Loafing sign}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Fresh from elementary school cafetoriums and lotto machines...

''{The No Loafing sign transforms into a cafeteria-style LED display.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' comes one of those actually pretty hard to read message board signs.

''{"NO LOAFING" scrolls past, followed by a crawling worm.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Capable of advanced animation, scrollabatonies...

''{The words "GRUEL IS COOL!" come in, with the individual pixels coming from opposite sides before meeting.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ...and twelve levels of blinkiness.

''{"NO LOAFING" returns and the letters blink. Then the screen blinks and fireworks appear on the display.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Now we can celebrate the lack of loafing with some fireworks! And a man doing cartwheels!

''{The fireworks disappear and a man doing cartwheels moves across the display. Cut to Strong Bad.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' No mortal would ''dare'' loaf under the four-colored dotted digital stare of this bad boy! Y'know, unless they looked up too late, and the "No" had already scrolled off...

''{Scrolls up to the display just as the "N" in "NO LOAFING" scrolls off.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ...so they thought that it said, "Do Loafing."

''{The words "DO LOAFING" scroll on.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Or maybe, like, Franklin Delano Loafing, our nation's laziest president.

''{The man doing cartwheels appears after "DO LOAFING", followed by "FRANKL" before the screen cuts back to Strong Bad's Lappy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' That's enough loaf. As for the blue wall, if you're going to repaint anything, you might as well use that magic green screen paint that Hollywood still thinks looks good. Then the wall can be anything you want!

''{Cut to Strong Bad's computer room, but with bright green walls instead of blue. Strong Bad happily skips in the middle of the screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' Imagine being able to frolic through the bread aisle...

''{The wall - and Strong Bad's bright green eyes - are replaced with an image of a bread aisle at a supermarket.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{still a voiceover}'' ...without leaving the house!

''{Strong Bad turns toward the screen and leans against the wall.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, bread aisle! Warm me with your enriched, bleached bosom! And please, give me back my sight!

''{Cut to another part of the computer room with the same green paint. Strong Bad is sitting on the floor, looking at the wall, and holding a controller.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' Or play your favorite video games where the pixels are big as hams!

''{The wall becomes a video game called "Sundae Drivin'", which appears to involve a giant bowl of ice cream on wheels driving down the road collecting toppings.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{imitating a car's engine}'' Vrrrrrrrr! Vrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

''{The sundae-car collects a cherry, and "CHERRY GET" appears on the top of the screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Vrrrrrrrrrr! Watch out for the wet walnuts!

''{The sundae-car collides with a brown jar with a "W" on it and it explodes.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Awwwwwww!

''{The screen reads "Your James Over".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' This game sucks.

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' But what green screens are ''really'' for...

''{The screen cuts to Strong Bad, with a Roman-style spear, shield, and helmet, looking at the wall, which appears to be an island village with a "Claymation" cycloptic monster on it.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{still a voiceover}'' ...is battling Claymation!

''{The monster steps forward and swipes in Strong Bad's direction.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' It'll take more than karate pants to keep me from toilet-papering the temple of the gods!

''{Coach Z walks in. Where his bright green body overlaps the wall, the green screen's image appears over him. His usual "Z" medallion is replaced with a glossy curved medallion with fangs, resembling The Cheat's remake of the No Loafing sign.}''

'''COACH Z:''' Hey, Strong Bad! Check it out! I squished it! And skewed it! And turned it all...

''{The medallion is squished, skewed, and turned around. Both Strong Bad and the monster run off.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Aaaaaaaaaaaah!

'''COACH Z:''' ...a... round?

''{Cut back to the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Aww, forget it, Jamie. ''{said as "whay-whay"}'' If you're so bored with my style, here's a change for ya.

''{Cut to the laundry room}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{from offscreen}'' No, pan up!

''{The screen pans up to reveal a seashell-themed wallpaper near the ceiling.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I've put up this delightful ocean-themed border in the laundry room! Oh, and look!

''{The screen zooms in on the dials on the washing machine.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I've hot-glued some actual shells onto the knobs of the washer and dryer!

''{Cut back to show Strong Bad standing next to the washer.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' All for under fifty bucks!

''{Cut to a close-up.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Well, that's our show. Join us next week when we show you how to knit your own splatter paints!

''{Cut back again}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' All for under fifty bucks!

''{A logo for "redesigning SBEMAILS, JERK FOOT" appears.}''

'''SINGERS:''' Ba-doo ba! Daaaah!

''{On "Daaaah!", the words "FOR UNDER 50 BUCKS" appear below. [[The Paper]] comes down.}''

==Easter Eggs==
[[Image:Colorwheelroulette.PNG|thumb|Stupid Home Edition!]]
*Click on the "No Loafing" sign when Strong Bad is playing color wheel roulette with it to see the box design for Color Wheel Roulette Stupid Home Edition by [[Boardelectrix]].
<blockquote>
-50% fewer deaths than Russian variety 
-Pant one, pant two!! 
-Twice as many deaths as Garden Variety 
</blockquote>
*When "Do Loafing" starts to scroll by on the sign, click it to see a bumper sticker for Sucky Mountain, Colorado.
*At the end, click on "Jerk" which gives a "conversation" between The Cheat's redesigned No Loafing sign and the redesigned Coach Z emblem.
:'''REDESIGNED NO LOAFING SIGN:''' ''{purrs, growls and then roars}''
:'''REDESIGNED COACH Z EMBLEM:''' ''{runs away}'' Yorp, yorp, yorp, yorp, yorp!

==Fun Facts==

===Explanations===
[[Image:No Loafing Marquee.png|thumb|The "New" No Loafing sign.]]
*The Lappy was covered in "LELLOWTAPE" because it had been nearly eight weeks (up to 55 days depending on when Strong Bad took the Lappy [[Weclome Back#transcript|skydiving]]) since the last email.
*[[wikipedia:Bluescreen|Greenscreens]] are used in filming in order to have an alternate background behind the live action. If an actor or piece of scenery is green, it will be replaced by the background. This technique is called Chroma-Key, and can actually be done with any color, though blue and green are the most popular.
*The No Loafing Scrolling Sign is actually a [[Wikipedia:LED#LED_display_panels|scrolling LED marquee]] ''(Pictured)''.
*The Color Wheel Roulette's claim of '50% fewer deaths than Russian variety' refers to the practice of [[Russian roulette]], in which a single round is placed in a revolver, the cylinder is spun, and the gun is fired at oneself, taking the chance that the bullet will be shot.

===Trivia===
* This marks the first appearance of The Cheat's new computer (an [[Wikipedia:IMac#iMac G5|iMac G5]] or [[Wikipedia:IMac#iMac Core Duo|iMac Core Duo]]), replacing the "[[Tangerine Dreams]]" [[Wikipedia:IMac#iMac (Tray Loading) (aka iMac G3)|iMac G3]] he had previously.

===Remarks===
*This email could give one an idea where the printer on Strong Bad's computers were. (Quote by Strong Bad: "Well, I don't know how we're going to PRINT it out, seeing as how somebody sliced off the back of your monitor!")

===Inside References===
* "Scrollabatonies" was previously used in one of the [[Scroll Button Songs]].
*The box design for "Color Wheel Roulette Stupid Home Edition" is a reference to [[The Show#The Show! Stupid Home Edition|The Show! Stupid Home Edition]] from [[geddup noise]].
*When Strong Bad's game says "Your James Over" at the end, it echoes the [[Homsar Main Page]], where "games" was pronounced "james".

===Real World References===
*"Franklin Delano Loafing" is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Franklin D. Roosevelt|Franklin Delano Roosevelt]], the 32nd President of the United States. It's also another instance of [[Presidents]].
*"Flo-Jo" was a nickname for [[Wikipedia:Florence Griffith Joyner|Florence Griffith Joyner]], an American athlete.
*"No [[Wikipedia:Whammy (Press Your Luck)|Whammies]]" was commonly chanted by players on the game show [[Wikipedia:Press Your Luck|Press Your Luck]].
*"Redesigning SBemails" at the end is a reference to the many house redesign shows on channels such as [[Wikipedia:HGTV|HGTV]]. The bassline that accompanies this title graphic is a likely [[Wikipedia:parody|parody]] of the theme music to the show [[Wikipedia:Trading Spaces|Trading Spaces]].
*The "Cherry Get!" graphic that appears when Strong Bad is playing "Sundae Drivin'" is a reference to many Japanese video games, in which "[Object] Get!" is commonly displayed whenever you collect an object. 
*The "[[Sundae Drivin']]" video game is probably a reference to [[Wikipedia:The Beatles|The Beatles]]' [[Wikipedia:"Day Tripper"|"Day Tripper"]]
*The scene with the stop-motion cyclops is a mashup of [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0366063/ Ray Harryhausen] movies, for example [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051337/ The 7th Voyage of Sinbad].

==See Also==
*Email [[no loafing]]

==External Links==
{{sbemailextlinks|153|9061}}
{{Strong Bad Email}}

redesign

2006-07-10T22:35:32Z

Trelawney: /* Explanations */ clumsily worded, i know, but I tried

{{sbenav|153|isp|some kinda robot}}
[[Image:New iMac.png|thumb|"You clearly don't have what it takes to bring NO LOAFING into the digital age."]]

Strong Bad considers redesigning the [[No Loafing Sign|No Loafing sign]] and painting his room.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|The Cheat}}, {{Film|Coach Z}}

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[The Cheat's Computer Room]], [[Strong Bad's Laundry Room]]

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}

'''Date:''' July 10, 2006

'''Running Time:''' 3:47

'''Page Title:''' Lappy 486

==Transcript==
''{The scene opens in a darkened Computer Room with yellow tape (reading "LELLOWTAPE") all over the Lappy.''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{from offcscreen}'' Email is nice, ''{the lights come on and Strong Bad sits down}'' dadadadadadada! ''{rips the tape away}'' Email is twice, habilascoobilasong! ''{pulls up the email}''

<blockquote class="lappy email">
<div>subject: keeping life exciting</div>
dear strong bad, 
dude i am getting bored of the "no loafing" sign and blue 
paint. 
 
jamie ericson canada
</blockquote>

''{The "dear strong bad" echoes, causing Strong Bad to look around a bit. Strong Bad pronounces "jamie ericson" as "hamiay eric-SON".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' That's so funny that you should say that Jamie, ''{says as an unintelligible mumble}'' because I was just thinking how bored I am with your butt, and your face, and your snotty nose.

''{"nose" echoes, and Strong Bad looks around some more. Strong Bad clears the screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' I guess the No Loafing sign could take a cue from the fast-food, soft drink, and bad sports team industries and combat sluggish sales and decades of losing with a slick logo redesign.

''{The screen cuts back and then pans over to the No Loafing sign. The blue wall vanishes.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{rapping to a beat}'' First you squish it, skew it, and turn it all around. Squish it, skew it, and turn it all around.

''{As he says this, the border disappears and the words are squished, skewed, and turned around. At the end, the words are at a slant.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Then we need to make it all fast and slick and shiny like Flo Jo in a tuxedo.

''{The words curve, the tops of the letters become spikes pointing to the left, and they become all shiny.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{rapping again}'' Uh! Flo Jo with a tuxedo!

''{The words react to the beat of his rap, various decorations litter the screen, and a circle with a slash through it appears behind the words.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Now it's time to play Color Wheel Roulette. No Whammies, no Whammies.

''{The colors of the sign cycle through various schemes, finally ending up on the words being a dull yellow and the circle in the background turning a greenish tan, with the blank space in the middle turning brown.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Awww... Ouch, man. Now, just when you think you're done, you gotta dip it in molten Plexiglas...

''{The entire sign becomes glossy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ...to give it that "children under 3 are sure to choke on it" goodness.

''{With a "ding", sparkles appear on the logo.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, wait. Almost forgot the fangs.

''{With a roar, bloody fangs sprout from the logo.}''

''{Cut to The Cheat and Strong Bad, with a new-style iMac in front of The Cheat. The logo Strong Bad described is on the monitor.}''

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{The Cheat noises}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Well, I don't know how we're going to print it out, seeing as how somebody sliced off the back of your monitor. And quit rubbing that plastic bar of soap ''{indicating The Cheat's mouse}'' on the desk. You clearly don't have what it takes to bring NO LOAFING into the digital age.

''{The Cheat closes the window, and Strong Bad turns toward the camera.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' But I does!

''{Cut back to the No Loafing sign}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Fresh from elementary school cafetoriums and lotto machines...

''{The No Loafing sign transforms into a cafeteria-style LED display.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' comes one of those actually pretty hard to read message board signs.

''{"NO LOAFING" scrolls past, followed by a crawling worm.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Capable of advanced animation, scrollabatonies...

''{The words "GRUEL IS COOL!" come in, with the individual pixels coming from opposite sides before meeting.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ...and twelve levels of blinkiness.

''{"NO LOAFING" returns and the letters blink. Then the screen blinks and fireworks appear on the display.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Now we can celebrate the lack of loafing with some fireworks! And a man doing cartwheels!

''{The fireworks disappear and a man doing cartwheels moves across the display. Cut to Strong Bad.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' No mortal would ''dare'' loaf under the four-colored dotted digital stare of this bad boy! Y'know, unless they looked up too late, and the "No" had already scrolled off...

''{Scrolls up to the display just as the "N" in "NO LOAFING" scrolls off.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ...so they thought that it said, "Do Loafing."

''{The words "DO LOAFING" scroll on.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Or maybe, like, Franklin Delano Loafing, our nation's laziest president.

''{The man doing cartwheels appears after "DO LOAFING", followed by "FRANKL" before the screen cuts back to Strong Bad's Lappy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' That's enough loaf. As for the blue wall, if you're going to repaint anything, you might as well use that magic green screen paint that Hollywood still thinks looks good. Then the wall can be anything you want!

''{Cut to Strong Bad's computer room, but with bright green walls instead of blue. Strong Bad happily skips in the middle of the screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' Imagine being able to frolic through the bread aisle...

''{The wall - and Strong Bad's bright green eyes - are replaced with an image of a bread aisle at a supermarket.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{still a voiceover}'' ...without leaving the house!

''{Strong Bad turns toward the screen and leans against the wall.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, bread aisle! Warm me with your enriched, bleached bosom! And please, give me back my sight!

''{Cut to another part of the computer room with the same green paint. Strong Bad is sitting on the floor, looking at the wall, and holding a controller.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' Or play your favorite video games where the pixels are big as hams!

''{The wall becomes a video game called "Sundae Drivin'", which appears to involve a giant bowl of ice cream on wheels driving down the road collecting toppings.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{imitating a car's engine}'' Vrrrrrrrr! Vrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!

''{The sundae-car collects a cherry, and "CHERRY GET" appears on the top of the screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Vrrrrrrrrrr! Watch out for the wet walnuts!

''{The sundae-car collides with a brown jar with a "W" on it and it explodes.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Awwwwwww!

''{The screen reads "Your James Over".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' This game sucks.

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' But what green screens are ''really'' for...

''{The screen cuts to Strong Bad, with a Roman-style spear, shield, and helmet, looking at the wall, which appears to be an island village with a "Claymation" cycloptic monster on it.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{still a voiceover}'' ...is battling Claymation!

''{The monster steps forward and swipes in Strong Bad's direction.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' It'll take more than karate pants to keep me from toilet-papering the temple of the gods!

''{Coach Z walks in. Where his bright green body overlaps the wall, the green screen's image appears over him. His usual "Z" medallion is replaced with a glossy curved medallion with fangs, resembling The Cheat's remake of the No Loafing sign.}''

'''COACH Z:''' Hey, Strong Bad! Check it out! I squished it! And skewed it! And turned it all...

''{The medallion is squished, skewed, and turned around. Both Strong Bad and the monster run off.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Aaaaaaaaaaaah!

'''COACH Z:''' ...a... round?

''{Cut back to the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Aww, forget it, Jamie. ''{said as "whay-whay"}'' If you're so bored with my style, here's a change for ya.

''{Cut to the laundry room}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{from offscreen}'' No, pan up!

''{The screen pans up to reveal a seashell-themed wallpaper near the ceiling.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I've put up this delightful ocean-themed border in the laundry room! Oh, and look!

''{The screen zooms in on the dials on the washing machine.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I've hot-glued some actual shells onto the knobs of the washer and dryer!

''{Cut back to show Strong Bad standing next to the washer.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' All for under fifty bucks!

''{Cut to a close-up.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Well, that's our show. Join us next week when we show you how to knit your own splatter paints!

''{Cut back again}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' All for under fifty bucks!

''{A logo for "redesigning SBEMAILS, JERK FOOT" appears.}''

'''SINGERS:''' Ba-doo ba! Daaaah!

''{On "Daaaah!", the words "FOR UNDER 50 BUCKS" appear below. [[The Paper]] comes down.}''

==Easter Eggs==
[[Image:Colorwheelroulette.PNG|thumb|Stupid Home Edition!]]
*Click on the "No Loafing" sign when Strong Bad is playing color wheel roulette with it to see the box design for Color Wheel Roulette Stupid Home Edition by [[Boardelectrix]].
<blockquote>
-50% fewer deaths than Russian variety 
-Pant one, pant two!! 
-Twice as many deaths as Garden Variety 
</blockquote>
*When "Do Loafing" starts to scroll by on the sign, click it to see a bumper sticker for Sucky Mountain, Colorado.
*At the end, click on "Jerk" which gives a "conversation" between The Cheat's redesigned No Loafing sign and the redesigned Coach Z emblem.
:'''REDESIGNED NO LOAFING SIGN:''' ''{purrs, growls and then roars}''
:'''REDESIGNED COACH Z EMBLEM:''' ''{runs away}'' Yorp, yorp, yorp, yorp, yorp!

==Fun Facts==

===Explanations===
[[Image:No Loafing Marquee.png|thumb|The "New" No Loafing sign.]]
*The Lappy was covered in "LELLOWTAPE" because it had been nearly eight weeks (up to 55 days depending on when Strong Bad took the Lappy [[Weclome Back#transcript|skydiving]]) since the last email.
*[[wikipedia:Bluescreen|Greenscreens]] are used in filming in order to have an alternate background behind the live action. If an actor or piece of scenery is green, it will be replaced by the background. This technique is called Chroma-Key, and can actually be done with any color, though blue and green are the most popular.
*The No Loafing Scrolling Sign is actually a [[Wikipedia:LED#LED_display_panels|scrolling LED marquee]] ''(Pictured)''.
*The Color Wheel Roulette's claim of '50% fewer deaths than Russian variety' refers to the practice of [[Russian Roulette]], in which a single round is placed in a revolver, the cylinder is spun, and the gun is fired at oneself, taking the chance that the bullet will be shot.

===Trivia===
* This marks the first appearance of The Cheat's new computer (an [[Wikipedia:IMac#iMac G5|iMac G5]] or [[Wikipedia:IMac#iMac Core Duo|iMac Core Duo]]), replacing the "[[Tangerine Dreams]]" [[Wikipedia:IMac#iMac (Tray Loading) (aka iMac G3)|iMac G3]] he had previously.

===Remarks===
*This email could give one an idea where the printer on Strong Bad's computers were. (Quote by Strong Bad: "Well, I don't know how we're going to PRINT it out, seeing as how somebody sliced off the back of your monitor!")

===Inside References===
* "Scrollabatonies" was previously used in one of the [[Scroll Button Songs]].
*The box design for "Color Wheel Roulette Stupid Home Edition" is a reference to [[The Show#The Show! Stupid Home Edition|The Show! Stupid Home Edition]] from [[geddup noise]].
*When Strong Bad's game says "Your James Over" at the end, it echoes the [[Homsar Main Page]], where "games" was pronounced "james".

===Real World References===
*"Franklin Delano Loafing" is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Franklin D. Roosevelt|Franklin Delano Roosevelt]], the 32nd President of the United States. It's also another instance of [[Presidents]].
*"Flo-Jo" was a nickname for [[Wikipedia:Florence Griffith Joyner|Florence Griffith Joyner]], an American athlete.
*"No [[Wikipedia:Whammy (Press Your Luck)|Whammies]]" was commonly chanted by players on the game show [[Wikipedia:Press Your Luck|Press Your Luck]].
*"Redesigning SBemails" at the end is a reference to the many house redesign shows on channels such as [[Wikipedia:HGTV|HGTV]]. The bassline that accompanies this title graphic is a likely [[Wikipedia:parody|parody]] of the theme music to the show [[Wikipedia:Trading Spaces|Trading Spaces]].
*The "Cherry Get!" graphic that appears when Strong Bad is playing "Sundae Drivin'" is a reference to many Japanese video games, in which "[Object] Get!" is commonly displayed whenever you collect an object. 
*The "[[Sundae Drivin']]" video game is probably a reference to [[Wikipedia:The Beatles|The Beatles]]' [[Wikipedia:"Day Tripper"|"Day Tripper"]]
*The scene with the stop-motion cyclops is a mashup of [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0366063/ Ray Harryhausen] movies, for example [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051337/ The 7th Voyage of Sinbad].

==See Also==
*Email [[no loafing]]

==External Links==
{{sbemailextlinks|153|9061}}
{{Strong Bad Email}}

Weclome Back

2006-07-05T00:57:35Z

Trelawney: /* Real-World References */

{{toonnav|Big Toon|weclomeback|A Folky Tale|The King of Town DVD}}
[[Image:Weclome Back.PNG|thumb|"What is it, like, mid-May or something?"]]
Homestar and the gang all reflect on their summer vacation.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Bubs}}, {{Film|Marzipan}}, {{Film|Strong Mad}}, {{Film|The Cheat}}, {{Film|Homsar}}, [[Eh! Steve]] (Easter egg), {{Film|Strong Sad}}, {{Film|The King of Town}}, {{Film|Coach Z}}, {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|Pom Pom}}, {{Film|The Poopsmith}}

'''Places:''' [[The Field]], [[Topiary Garden]], [[The Island]], [[Obstacle Course]], [[Airplane]]

'''Date:''' July 3, 2006

'''Running Time:''' 4:37

'''Page Title:''' Your dreams were your ticket out...

==Transcript==
''{A closeup of a time clock attached to a telephone pole. A time card is punched in. The words "Weclome Back" are shown, and flash various colors. Pull out to see Bubs holding a cup of coffee, in front of a table with styrofoam cups and an urn, in the Field. Marzipan enters and also punches in.}''

'''BUBS:''' Well, hello, Marzi-person! Welcome back.

'''MARZIPAN:''' Well, howdy, stranger!

'''BUBS:''' Stranger? I'm Bubs, remember?

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{unimpressed}'' Uh, I know. It's a joke.

'''BUBS:''' That's hilarious. How was your vacation?

'''MARZIPAN:''' It was tout de suite! I took the Cool Tapes on a midwestern tour ''{the tour map pops up}'' of bead shops and topiary gardens.

''{Cut to a topiary garden; Marzipan, Strong Mad and The Cheat are playing in the band}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{singing}''
:Cool tapes are cool, and we're better than ever,
:Cool tapes are cool, 'cause we're light as a feather.
:Keep it down with that real cool flavor,
:Me and The Cheat and our bass player.
:Rockin' the spot.
:Yeah, we're rockin' the spot.

'''MARZIPAN:''' Grapes, y'all! And don't forget we've got cool 7-inches for sale over at our merch table.

''{Cut to the merchandise table. Homsar is standing on it, it has a sign reading "Merch Masala" and another reading "Steven Inches $π"}''

'''HOMSAR:''' I'm a little light in the leftovers!

''{Homsar's hat flies off the left of the screen, and comes back on from the right and settles on his head. Cut back to Bubs and Marzipan at the coffee table.}''

'''BUBS:''' I bet you drove the shape-ed plants wild.

'''MARZIPAN:''' Yeah, they were way into it. So what did you do?

'''BUBS:''' I drove my baloney sandwich truck down to the beach.

''{Cut to the tropical island. Bubs's "Baloney Sammich Truck", which resembles an ice-cream truck, doesn't quite fit, and the rear wheels are in the water.}''

'''BUBS:''' BAH-loh-NEH!!! Come on, people! Come on, palm tree! I'm-tryingtosellabaloneysammich!

''{An Atari seagull squawks and flies past.}''

'''BUBS:''' You shut your face!

''{Cut back to the coffee table.}''

'''BUBS:''' I sold exactly zero baloney sandwiches!

'''MARZIPAN:''' Well, that's great!

'''BUBS:''' Yeah, it was pretty much my best summer ever.

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{walks in}'' Same here. I spent two glorious weeks at Gluten Camp. I learned more about this oft-misunderstood plant protein than I ever thought possible.

'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' What''eva!'' ''{puts a time card in the time clock}'' I was across the lake at Glutton Camp. And we challenged those pansies to an obstacle course!

''{Cut to the obstacle course, pan across to see Strong Sad and the King of Town stuck in two tire swings.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Well, should we call it a draw?

'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' Hecks, no! I got stuck in here 10 minutes before you!

''{Pan across to Coach Z.}''

'''COACH Z:''' Let's go, Glorten Camp! Glorten Camp is pain and scranin' on yous!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh yeah? Well while you slo-mos were slounching around on your haunchy laurels, I was checking the most amazing email of my career!

''{Cut through static to Strong Bad, holding the Lappy, on a plane. Screen markers and a recording light are visible, as though viewed through a camcorder. Strong Bad leans in and adjusts the focus.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' All right, Lappy, when I mash record on that camera, we're gonna perform the world's first death-defying midair SBEmail check! We'll make the cover of all the latest blogs! Now, are you psyched?! I'm psyched, are you psyched?!? OK, 3! 2! 1!

''{Strong Bad leans in and presses a button on the camera. Cut through static to Strong Bad standing on the ground. The camera drops to the ground and slowly falls over.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, the believing is hard to be doing, because that was so incredible! We met so many celebrities in midair! And the part with the ''Narwhal'' ''{said "Nar-wayel"}'' was ''so'' illegal.

''{Cut through static to Strong Bad, back at the coffee table}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, cuh-rap! What am I, your dad? I can't believe I pulled the old "mash Stop when you think you're mashing Record and mash Record when you think you're mashing Stop" routine on myself.

'''MARZIPAN:''' But if we've all been on vacation, who's been taking care of the website?

''{Homestar Runner walks in, tired, wearing a dressing gown, a nightcap and [[Nebulon]] slippers, with a cinnamon 5 o'clock shadow.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{yawns}'' What's up, my brothers? Let no one say the Homestar Runner don't know how to nap. What is it, like mid-May or something?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Uh, try "early July."

''{Zoom in.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Aah! I slept through June!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yup.

''{Zoom in even tighter.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Aah! Bet Agatha Christie would never sleep through June... neither would Angela Lansbury.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Aren't they the same person?

'''BUBS:''' Yeah.

'''KING OF TOWN:''' Yep.

'''MARZIPAN:''' I think they are.

'''STRONG SAD:''' Yes, they definitely are.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Well, it's settled then. Now, what's this I hear about some of you guys sleeping through June? I'll let it slide this time, but June-sleepers will not be tolerated from this day henceforth. Now, whose turn was it to bring the doughnuts?

'''EVERYONE (BUT HOMESTAR RUNNER):''' Yours.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Well, I'll let it slide this time, but doughnut-rememberers will dough-not be tolerated from now on. All right, everybody, everybody. It's time to get this www-dot-show back on the road-dot-com. Now, places! And...

''{Cut to everyone standing in regular clothes in front of a plain blue background. The words "everybody, everybody" appear in front of them. The music from the Intro page plays.}''

'''SINGERS:''' Everybody, everybody! Everybody, everybody! Everybody, everybody! Everybody, everybody!

==Easter Eggs==
* In Homsar's scene, click on the "Steven Inches" sign to see a "The Freewheelin' Eh, Steve" album cover. On the bottom it lists the songs ''Sweet Cups and Cakes'' by Wheelchair Man, ''Eh, Steve's Dream'' by Eh, Steve!, and ''Talkin' Trying to Catch a Worm Blues'' by Fresh Juice.
* When the King of Town first appears, click on his crown to see his "I'm with Glutton Camp" T-shirt.
* Click on the left "everybody" at the end of the toon to see what Pom Pom and The Poopsmith presumably did during their summer vacation.
:''{Pom Pom and the Poopsmith are both leaning on the palm tree on the deserted island. The Poopsmith is wearing Strong Bad's Dangeresque sunglasses, and Pom Pom is wearing Homestar's. After a few moments, a thought cloud appears and reveals that Pom Pom is thinking of a baloney sandwich. Another one appears shortly afterwards and shows that the Poopsmith is too.}''

==Fun Facts==
{{checkstuffpage}}

===Explanations===
*This toon refers to the real-life vacation that [[The Brothers Chaps]] took in the late spring/early summer of 2006, during which time the site went nearly seven weeks (48 days) without a major update, the longest hiatus on record. There were various minor updates during this period, but no toons.
*The Baloney Truck is a spoof on the [[wikipedia:Ice_cream_truck|Ice Cream Truck/Van]], which is popular in some parts of the world.

===Trivia===
[[Image:Cool tapes tour.png|thumb|300px|Cool Tapes' June 2006 tour]]
*The time card reads:
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*The Cool Tapes tour goes through East Westerburg, Beadsburg, Bead Store City, Sculpted Busheton, New Beadshop, Topiarianapolis, Beeeeeds and Tope Gardens. Other towns on the map are Northtime, Pantsburg, Shoigut, Thuxtable and The Slickster.
*There are trees in the topiary garden shaped as an ice-cream cone, [[Trogdor]], a tree stump, and [[Wikipedia:William Shakespeare|William Shakespeare]].
*According to the sign on the side of Bubs's truck, he's selling:
**"Gumball Surprise"—A baloney sandwich with a purple gumball on top.
**"Open Smiley Face"—An open baloney sandwich with a smiley face drawn on it in mustard.
**"I Heart Baloney"—A baloney sandwich with heart-shaped bread.
**"Dog Food"—A baloney sandwich with bone-shaped bread.
**"It's Not a Real Popsicle"—A baloney sandwich with popsicle-shaped bread.
**"Inside Out"—A piece of bread between two slices of baloney.
*The island is used in this toon because in the DVD commentary on sbemail [[island]], Matt said they should use the island again.
===Remarks===
*[[Wikipedia:Agatha Christie|Agatha Christie]] and [[Wikipedia:Angela Lansbury|Angela Lansbury]] are, in fact, not the same person. Christie was an English crime fiction writer and Lansbury is an English-born American actress famous for her role (as a crime fiction author) on [[Wikipedia:Murder, She Wrote|Murder, She Wrote]] and as [[Wikipedia:witch|witch]] Eglentine Price in the [[Wikipedia:1971 in film|1971]] Disney movie [[Wikipedia:Bedknobs and Broomsticks|Bedknobs and Broomsticks]]. Lansbury however ''did'' play Christie's fictional sleuth [[Wikipedia:Miss Marple|Miss Marple]] in the movie adaptation of Christie's [[Wikipedia:The Mirror Crack'd|The Mirror Crack'd]].
*While Strong Bad is handling the video camera, his arms seem stretch to twice his regular arm length.
*Strong Bad's camera remains centered while it's falling. For this to happen, it would actually have to be rotating in space before it finally falls to the ground.

===Glitches===
*When Marzipan's angry expression is used, blinking causes her outline to be intruded.

===Inside References===
* [[Pants]]burg is one of the [[Strong Bad's Vacation Spots|places Strong Bad visited]] on his [[vacation]], and one of the places in [[Limozeen]]'s [[Limozeen#Zeenin' Across the Country 2001|Zeenin' Across the Country tour]].
* When Strong Bad says "I can't believe I pulled the 'Mash stop when you think you're mashing record, and mash record when you think you're mashing stop' on myself" is a reference to [[Mashing_Go|mashing go/play on something]]
* The Atari seagull is from [[huttah!]]
* Marzipan's [[Cool Tapes]] band comes from [[Cool Things]].
* The toon's title includes [[Unusual Greetings#Weclome|Weclome]].
* Homestar's slippers resemble [[Nebulon]].
* Bubs' "Baloney Sammich Truck" has a [[Marshie]] look-alike sandwich on the top.
* Bubs pronounces "shaped plants" the same way Strong Bad and Teenage Homestar pronounced "striped pants" in [[highschool]].
* One of the places the Cool Tapes band visits is East Westerburg. Westerberg (spelled slightly differently) was visited in [[Thy Dungeonman 3]], and it was to the east of the player's starting location.
* Pom Pom is wearing [[Dangeresque Too]]'s sunglasses.
* In addition to the two ropes attaching the tire swings to the tree at the obstacle course, a third rope hangs from the sky and sways gently, as did the rope featured in [[A Folky Tale]].
* The "Gumball Surprise" is another example of a [[Concoctions|concoction]].

===Real-World References===
*The city "The Slickster" (as seen on the Cool Tapes tour map) is a reference to former [[Wikipedia:World Wrestling Entertainment|WWE]] manager [[Wikipedia:Ken Johnson (wrestling)|Ken Johnson]], whose ring name was Slick and often called "The Slickster" by the commentators.
*The city of "Thuxtable" is a reference to Theo Huxtable, a character on [[Wikipedia:The Cosby Show|The Cosby Show]]. Theo Huxtable was previously mentioned in [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]], when Coach Z dressed up like him.
*The design of the Cool Tapes Marzipan amps is based on the design of the classic Marshall amp, as seen in [[different town]].
*The page title references the theme song from the sitcom ''[[Wikipedia:Welcome Back, Kotter|Welcome Back, Kotter]]'' ("Welcome back / Your dreams were your ticket out...").
*Athletic competitions between summer camps occupying the same campground are common in family movies and cartoons. Some examples include the movies ''[[Wikipedia:Heavyweights|Heavyweights]]'' and ''[[Wikipedia:Meatballs (film)|Meatballs]]''.
*The "Freewheelin' Eh! Steve" album cover is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Bob Dylan|Bob Dylan's]] early album, ''[[Wikipedia:The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan|The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan]]''. In addition, "Eh! Steve's Dream" is a reference to the Dylan song ''Bob Dylan's Dream'' and "Talkin' Trying to Catch a Worm Blues" refers to Dylan's song ''Talkin' World War III Blues''.
*Homestar's [[Homestar Runner in pajamas|shirt]] is a reference to the movie ''[[Wikipedia:This Is Spinal Tap|This Is Spinal Tap]]'', in which [[Wikipedia:Nigel Tufnel|Nigel Tufnel]] is seen wearing the same shirt featuring a green ribcage and later remarks "This is what I sleep in sometimes".
*The Eh! Steve song "Sweet Cups and Cakes" is likely a ''[[Wikipedia:This Is Spinal Tap|This Is Spinal Tap]]'' reference as well, since "Cups and Cakes" is the name of a Spinal Tap song.
*Strong Mad's violin styled bass bears a resemblance to the [[Wikipedia:Hofner|Hofner]] bass played by [[Wikipedia:Paul McCartney|Paul McCartney]]. However Strong Mad plays right handed, while Paul is left-handed.
*Strong Bad's Narwhal reference is a reference to the popular internet game [http://www.spinnerdisc.com/narwhaldiving.html Narwhal Diving] at the website [http://www.spinnerdisc.com Spinnerdisc.com] (which in turn seems to be a reference to the [[They Might Be Giants]]' song [[TMBW:AKA Driver|AKA Driver]]).
*The sign on the merchandise table that reads "Merch Masala" refers to the 1985 Hindi movie [[Wikipedia:Mirch Masala|Mirch Masala]].

==External Links==
*[[HR:weclomeback.html|watch "Weclome Back"]]
*[[HR:weclomeback.swf|view the Flash file for "Weclome Back"]]
*[[Forum:8992|forum thread re: "Weclome Back"]]

[[Category:Toons]]

Talk:Weclome Back

2006-07-03T22:15:43Z

Trelawney: /* "The part with the narwhal?" */

==Bologna==
We can leave the Baloney in Baloney Sammich Truck but otherwise it should be bologna
:Both are accepted spellings... [http://m-w.com/dictionary/baloney Merriam-Webster] lists Baloney as a variant of Bologna. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 15:59, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::Those words have undergone differentiation. ''Baloney'' is properly only "nonsense", and the meat product is ''bologna''. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:47, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::It's dot com, I don't think that's a true statement. M-W shows it as a variant of "bologna"; if you have a dictionary citation where it's noted that "baloney" doesn't mean "bologna" anymore, then provide it. Especially as they use the "baloney" spelling in the toon, and barring absence of evidence that it cannot adequately mean the meat, we should use the "baloney" spelling throughout. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:15, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::: Touché. Sandwich was also misspelled as "sammich" so the explicit use of "baloney' was probably just word play.
:::::"Sammich" is not a documented and accepted spelling of "sandwich", however. "Baloney" is. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:30, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::: I have personally never seen the sausage meat being spelled as anything except "balogna" in any ''serious'' context. Bubs' truck is hardly what I'd call serious. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:19, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::::Because simple personal experience is limited, we have lexicographers whose job it is to determine actual usage on the broad scale. Above it is shown that Merriam Webster's lexicographic staff feels "baloney" is an accepted spelling of the meat product. [http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=5771&dict=CALD Cambridge] and [http://www.bartleby.com/61/79/B0047900.html American Heritage] agree. Oxford seems to disagree, however Oxford is a primarily British dictionary which also documents US usage, so the actual US dictionaries should take precedence here. Note that I am not saying "bologna" would be wrong, but that it would be inconsistent with TBC's usage on the site, and as such would be less appropriate for the knowledge base. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:30, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::::::I don't think the outcome of this discussion is very important, but I will note that searching Oscar Meyer's (probably the manufacturer of the most bologna in North America) website for [http://www.kraftfoods.com/oscarmayer/main.aspx?s=recipe&m=recipe%2Fknet_recipe_grid&u1=keyword&u2=baloney baloney] reveals zero occurrences, and searching for [http://www.kraftfoods.com/oscarmayer/main.aspx?s=recipe&m=recipe%2Fknet_recipe_grid&u1=keyword&u2=bologna bologna] reveals several. My vote is to refer to it as "bologna" everywhere but "Baloney Sammich Truck". {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:43, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Of course that's a branding choice on Oscar Meyer's part (the song wouldn't be so great if they had a way with b-a-l-o-n-e-y!), as "baloney" is the branding choice for [http://www.maloneysbaloney.com/ Maloney's Baloney]. Then there's LightLife's [http://www.solae.com/soyproteinproducts/products/foneybaloney.jsp Foney Baloney], another clear branding choice. One would expect branding usage to be consistent, regardless of whether the word is real or not, or whether the form of the word is more, less, or equally prevalent in American English. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:51, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Also, I think it's strange to assume that "baloney" is TBC's preferred spelling based off of "Baloney Sammich Truck"; no one's arguing that "sandwich" should be respelled "sammich" everywhere in the article... :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:54, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Again, as I noted above, no one would argue that, because "sammich" is not a lexicographically-accepted word. "Baloney" is, as I think I have proven, as correct a spelling as "bologna" in American English, and to insist on using a spelling TBC did not use in this case seems a little odd to me. Compare to this: what if they did a toon about "pop" and people argued we should call it "soda" because it matches their personal experience? This is NOT a case of them making up a word or spelling out a slang term, and the line of thinking we'd use if they called it "ba-low-knee" or something else like that doesn't apply. It's my position that if they use a real spelling of a real word in canon, we should follow suit when discussing canon. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think it's pretty much a regional spelling difference, like saying 'soda' or 'pop'. Most people, I would assume, have seen both. Since the only documented instance of the word's spelling is 'baloney', I think we should continue that spelling throughout, although add somewhere "baloney (which can also be spelled bologna)".[[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 22:10, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

==Topiary==
Who is that man in the topiary garden? It doesn't look anything like the bust of [[Van Buren]]... Rogue mentioned Shakespere in IRC, and it bears a resemblance... what do people think? {{User:Phlip/sig}} 15:59, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:I think it might just be Shakespere.--{{User:H*bad/sig}} 16:07, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::I gotta agree with H*Bad. Shakespeare is who I immediately thought of when I saw that. [[User:Ramrod|Ramrod]] 16:34, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::I, too, thought of the Bard of Avon. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:06, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::::One more vote for Shakespeare... that's why come he's so awesome. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]

== Chaps upgrade to Flash 8? ==

They've said before that they still use Flash 5 (or was it Flash MX, I forget). But this eppisode used alot more blurred objects then usual (in the plane, the blades of grass the camera records and the quick zoom in on h*) and bluring is a new feature added to Flash 8 (Chaps have previously used photoshop to do this). I'm working on importing the flash file into my Flash 8, I'll see if that has any clues. --John

== Doin' that thing you do ==
The lyric referring to "our bass player" reminds me of ''[[IMDb:tt0117887|That Thing You Do!]]'', where the bass guitarist had no other name than T(he) B(ass) Player. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:47, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:Heh, thats true.--{{User:H*bad/sig}} 17:02, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::Actually TBC are most likely referring to the fact that bass players are generally un-notested

== "The part with the narwhal?" ==

At least, I think SB said Narwhal. You don't get that many of them in midair, but I'd imagine one of the celebrities had brought one along.
:There were no celebrities.--{{User:H*bad/sig}} 19:05, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:Perhaps a reference to Hitchhiker's Guide? It's far too subtle for me to add it, though someone braver might include it. At least it should die in STUFF.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 19:45, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::That was a sperm whale, though, not a narwhal. It's probably just cause narwhals are so cool. :)[[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]

== Homsars hat flying off... ==
...and then coming back, reminds me of the parts from Airplane! when one of the characters tossed their jacket and it came back to him.--{{User:H*bad/sig}} 18:28, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:Actually, I think the sae thing happened with a hat too. I love that movie.... {{User:Salty/sig}} 18:46, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Homsar's hat comes back to him all the time. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:48, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::Maybe its something that the Chapmans took from the movie.--{{User:H*bad/sig}} 19:01, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Weclome Back

2006-07-03T22:12:51Z

Trelawney: /* Topiary */

==Bologna==
We can leave the Baloney in Baloney Sammich Truck but otherwise it should be bologna
:Both are accepted spellings... [http://m-w.com/dictionary/baloney Merriam-Webster] lists Baloney as a variant of Bologna. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 15:59, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::Those words have undergone differentiation. ''Baloney'' is properly only "nonsense", and the meat product is ''bologna''. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:47, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::It's dot com, I don't think that's a true statement. M-W shows it as a variant of "bologna"; if you have a dictionary citation where it's noted that "baloney" doesn't mean "bologna" anymore, then provide it. Especially as they use the "baloney" spelling in the toon, and barring absence of evidence that it cannot adequately mean the meat, we should use the "baloney" spelling throughout. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:15, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::: Touché. Sandwich was also misspelled as "sammich" so the explicit use of "baloney' was probably just word play.
:::::"Sammich" is not a documented and accepted spelling of "sandwich", however. "Baloney" is. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:30, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::: I have personally never seen the sausage meat being spelled as anything except "balogna" in any ''serious'' context. Bubs' truck is hardly what I'd call serious. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:19, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::::Because simple personal experience is limited, we have lexicographers whose job it is to determine actual usage on the broad scale. Above it is shown that Merriam Webster's lexicographic staff feels "baloney" is an accepted spelling of the meat product. [http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=5771&dict=CALD Cambridge] and [http://www.bartleby.com/61/79/B0047900.html American Heritage] agree. Oxford seems to disagree, however Oxford is a primarily British dictionary which also documents US usage, so the actual US dictionaries should take precedence here. Note that I am not saying "bologna" would be wrong, but that it would be inconsistent with TBC's usage on the site, and as such would be less appropriate for the knowledge base. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:30, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::::::I don't think the outcome of this discussion is very important, but I will note that searching Oscar Meyer's (probably the manufacturer of the most bologna in North America) website for [http://www.kraftfoods.com/oscarmayer/main.aspx?s=recipe&m=recipe%2Fknet_recipe_grid&u1=keyword&u2=baloney baloney] reveals zero occurrences, and searching for [http://www.kraftfoods.com/oscarmayer/main.aspx?s=recipe&m=recipe%2Fknet_recipe_grid&u1=keyword&u2=bologna bologna] reveals several. My vote is to refer to it as "bologna" everywhere but "Baloney Sammich Truck". {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:43, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Of course that's a branding choice on Oscar Meyer's part (the song wouldn't be so great if they had a way with b-a-l-o-n-e-y!), as "baloney" is the branding choice for [http://www.maloneysbaloney.com/ Maloney's Baloney]. Then there's LightLife's [http://www.solae.com/soyproteinproducts/products/foneybaloney.jsp Foney Baloney], another clear branding choice. One would expect branding usage to be consistent, regardless of whether the word is real or not, or whether the form of the word is more, less, or equally prevalent in American English. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:51, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Also, I think it's strange to assume that "baloney" is TBC's preferred spelling based off of "Baloney Sammich Truck"; no one's arguing that "sandwich" should be respelled "sammich" everywhere in the article... :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:54, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Again, as I noted above, no one would argue that, because "sammich" is not a lexicographically-accepted word. "Baloney" is, as I think I have proven, as correct a spelling as "bologna" in American English, and to insist on using a spelling TBC did not use in this case seems a little odd to me. Compare to this: what if they did a toon about "pop" and people argued we should call it "soda" because it matches their personal experience? This is NOT a case of them making up a word or spelling out a slang term, and the line of thinking we'd use if they called it "ba-low-knee" or something else like that doesn't apply. It's my position that if they use a real spelling of a real word in canon, we should follow suit when discussing canon. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think it's pretty much a regional spelling difference, like saying 'soda' or 'pop'. Most people, I would assume, have seen both. Since the only documented instance of the word's spelling is 'baloney', I think we should continue that spelling throughout, although add somewhere "baloney (which can also be spelled bologna)".[[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 22:10, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

==Topiary==
Who is that man in the topiary garden? It doesn't look anything like the bust of [[Van Buren]]... Rogue mentioned Shakespere in IRC, and it bears a resemblance... what do people think? {{User:Phlip/sig}} 15:59, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:I think it might just be Shakespere.--{{User:H*bad/sig}} 16:07, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::I gotta agree with H*Bad. Shakespeare is who I immediately thought of when I saw that. [[User:Ramrod|Ramrod]] 16:34, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::I, too, thought of the Bard of Avon. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:06, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::::One more vote for Shakespeare... that's why come he's so awesome. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]

== Chaps upgrade to Flash 8? ==

They've said before that they still use Flash 5 (or was it Flash MX, I forget). But this eppisode used alot more blurred objects then usual (in the plane, the blades of grass the camera records and the quick zoom in on h*) and bluring is a new feature added to Flash 8 (Chaps have previously used photoshop to do this). I'm working on importing the flash file into my Flash 8, I'll see if that has any clues. --John

== Doin' that thing you do ==
The lyric referring to "our bass player" reminds me of ''[[IMDb:tt0117887|That Thing You Do!]]'', where the bass guitarist had no other name than T(he) B(ass) Player. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:47, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:Heh, thats true.--{{User:H*bad/sig}} 17:02, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::Actually TBC are most likely referring to the fact that bass players are generally un-notested

== "The part with the narwhal?" ==

At least, I think SB said Narwhal. You don't get that many of them in midair, but I'd imagine one of the celebrities had brought one along.
:There were no celebrities.--{{User:H*bad/sig}} 19:05, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:Perhaps a reference to Hitchhiker's Guide? It's far too subtle for me to add it, though someone braver might include it. At least it should die in STUFF.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 19:45, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

== Homsars hat flying off... ==
...and then coming back, reminds me of the parts from Airplane! when one of the characters tossed their jacket and it came back to him.--{{User:H*bad/sig}} 18:28, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:Actually, I think the sae thing happened with a hat too. I love that movie.... {{User:Salty/sig}} 18:46, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Homsar's hat comes back to him all the time. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:48, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::Maybe its something that the Chapmans took from the movie.--{{User:H*bad/sig}} 19:01, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Weclome Back

2006-07-03T22:10:34Z

Trelawney: /* Bologna */

==Bologna==
We can leave the Baloney in Baloney Sammich Truck but otherwise it should be bologna
:Both are accepted spellings... [http://m-w.com/dictionary/baloney Merriam-Webster] lists Baloney as a variant of Bologna. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 15:59, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::Those words have undergone differentiation. ''Baloney'' is properly only "nonsense", and the meat product is ''bologna''. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:47, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::It's dot com, I don't think that's a true statement. M-W shows it as a variant of "bologna"; if you have a dictionary citation where it's noted that "baloney" doesn't mean "bologna" anymore, then provide it. Especially as they use the "baloney" spelling in the toon, and barring absence of evidence that it cannot adequately mean the meat, we should use the "baloney" spelling throughout. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:15, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::: Touché. Sandwich was also misspelled as "sammich" so the explicit use of "baloney' was probably just word play.
:::::"Sammich" is not a documented and accepted spelling of "sandwich", however. "Baloney" is. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:30, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::: I have personally never seen the sausage meat being spelled as anything except "balogna" in any ''serious'' context. Bubs' truck is hardly what I'd call serious. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:19, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::::Because simple personal experience is limited, we have lexicographers whose job it is to determine actual usage on the broad scale. Above it is shown that Merriam Webster's lexicographic staff feels "baloney" is an accepted spelling of the meat product. [http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=5771&dict=CALD Cambridge] and [http://www.bartleby.com/61/79/B0047900.html American Heritage] agree. Oxford seems to disagree, however Oxford is a primarily British dictionary which also documents US usage, so the actual US dictionaries should take precedence here. Note that I am not saying "bologna" would be wrong, but that it would be inconsistent with TBC's usage on the site, and as such would be less appropriate for the knowledge base. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:30, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::::::I don't think the outcome of this discussion is very important, but I will note that searching Oscar Meyer's (probably the manufacturer of the most bologna in North America) website for [http://www.kraftfoods.com/oscarmayer/main.aspx?s=recipe&m=recipe%2Fknet_recipe_grid&u1=keyword&u2=baloney baloney] reveals zero occurrences, and searching for [http://www.kraftfoods.com/oscarmayer/main.aspx?s=recipe&m=recipe%2Fknet_recipe_grid&u1=keyword&u2=bologna bologna] reveals several. My vote is to refer to it as "bologna" everywhere but "Baloney Sammich Truck". {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:43, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Of course that's a branding choice on Oscar Meyer's part (the song wouldn't be so great if they had a way with b-a-l-o-n-e-y!), as "baloney" is the branding choice for [http://www.maloneysbaloney.com/ Maloney's Baloney]. Then there's LightLife's [http://www.solae.com/soyproteinproducts/products/foneybaloney.jsp Foney Baloney], another clear branding choice. One would expect branding usage to be consistent, regardless of whether the word is real or not, or whether the form of the word is more, less, or equally prevalent in American English. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:51, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Also, I think it's strange to assume that "baloney" is TBC's preferred spelling based off of "Baloney Sammich Truck"; no one's arguing that "sandwich" should be respelled "sammich" everywhere in the article... :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:54, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Again, as I noted above, no one would argue that, because "sammich" is not a lexicographically-accepted word. "Baloney" is, as I think I have proven, as correct a spelling as "bologna" in American English, and to insist on using a spelling TBC did not use in this case seems a little odd to me. Compare to this: what if they did a toon about "pop" and people argued we should call it "soda" because it matches their personal experience? This is NOT a case of them making up a word or spelling out a slang term, and the line of thinking we'd use if they called it "ba-low-knee" or something else like that doesn't apply. It's my position that if they use a real spelling of a real word in canon, we should follow suit when discussing canon. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:03, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::I think it's pretty much a regional spelling difference, like saying 'soda' or 'pop'. Most people, I would assume, have seen both. Since the only documented instance of the word's spelling is 'baloney', I think we should continue that spelling throughout, although add somewhere "baloney (which can also be spelled bologna)".[[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 22:10, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

==Topiary==
Who is that man in the topiary garden? It doesn't look anything like the bust of [[Van Buren]]... Rogue mentioned Shakespere in IRC, and it bears a resemblance... what do people think? {{User:Phlip/sig}} 15:59, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:I think it might just be Shakespere.--{{User:H*bad/sig}} 16:07, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::I gotta agree with H*Bad. Shakespeare is who I immediately thought of when I saw that. [[User:Ramrod|Ramrod]] 16:34, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:::I, too, thought of the Bard of Avon. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:06, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

== Chaps upgrade to Flash 8? ==

They've said before that they still use Flash 5 (or was it Flash MX, I forget). But this eppisode used alot more blurred objects then usual (in the plane, the blades of grass the camera records and the quick zoom in on h*) and bluring is a new feature added to Flash 8 (Chaps have previously used photoshop to do this). I'm working on importing the flash file into my Flash 8, I'll see if that has any clues. --John

== Doin' that thing you do ==
The lyric referring to "our bass player" reminds me of ''[[IMDb:tt0117887|That Thing You Do!]]'', where the bass guitarist had no other name than T(he) B(ass) Player. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:47, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:Heh, thats true.--{{User:H*bad/sig}} 17:02, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::Actually TBC are most likely referring to the fact that bass players are generally un-notested

== "The part with the narwhal?" ==

At least, I think SB said Narwhal. You don't get that many of them in midair, but I'd imagine one of the celebrities had brought one along.
:There were no celebrities.--{{User:H*bad/sig}} 19:05, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:Perhaps a reference to Hitchhiker's Guide? It's far too subtle for me to add it, though someone braver might include it. At least it should die in STUFF.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 19:45, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

== Homsars hat flying off... ==
...and then coming back, reminds me of the parts from Airplane! when one of the characters tossed their jacket and it came back to him.--{{User:H*bad/sig}} 18:28, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
:Actually, I think the sae thing happened with a hat too. I love that movie.... {{User:Salty/sig}} 18:46, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
Homsar's hat comes back to him all the time. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:48, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
::Maybe its something that the Chapmans took from the movie.--{{User:H*bad/sig}} 19:01, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Main Page

2006-06-24T01:17:27Z

Trelawney: /* Wiki title */

{{Main Page Talk}}

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==Lack of updates==
For anybody wondering why there have been no updates for a while: The bottom line is, we don't know. There is a thread on the forums where people are ''calmly and rationally'' discussing the possibilities. [[Forum:8813|Here is the link]]. Any further discussion on Wiki Talk pages may be removed. Thank you for your patience. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 17:02, 20 June 2006 (UTC)</div>

==Wiki title==

I think we should move this page to [[Homestar Runner Wiki]] (click the link to see what it could look like). That way, it will show the actual title of the wiki instead of boring ol' "Main Page" (which of course would be left as a redirect). The [[MW:|MediaWiki]] front page is an excellent example of how it could be. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:24, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:I really like the idea. It shows exactly who we are upon entering. If I was in charge, I'd've done it from th' start. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::I also support the idea, maybe we should make Main Page a dis. page, though, for [[Main Pages]] and Homestar Runner Wiki. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 01:30, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:Support. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 01:33, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:::Rogue Leader: Main Page and Talk:Main Page would have to redirect to the respective Homestar Runner Wiki pages, due to the amount of links to them, both internal and external. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:34, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:Complete Support: The Main Page talks about '''The Homestar Runner Wiki''' not '''Main Page''' {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 01:44, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

::::It's dot com: That can be accomplished simply by changing the text of [[MediaWiki:Mainpage]] from "Main Page" to "Homestar Runner Wiki". {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 01:56, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:::::Heh. Yes, I know. :) I wanted people to be able to see a preview without [[HRWiki:Standards#Be_bold.2C_but_know_when_not_to_be|being too drastic]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:06, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:I like your idea, Dot com. I'm surprised nobody ever thought of this before. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 02:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:I support leaving it [[Main Page]]. [http://www.google.com/search?&q=%22Main+Page%22+mediawiki Most to all MediaWiki wikis] (257,000,000 at this moment) leave the title as the default. This page is the sole exception to the "articles are in the main namespace" rule, and giving it a different title would make it seem as if this was an article about the Homestar Runner Wiki (remember, we already have an article for that at [[HRWiki:A History]]). This is the main page of the wiki, it's our cover page and our table of contents. It's not the Homestar Runner Wiki. The entire wiki is the Homestar Runner Wiki. (I also never liked it when our main page was called [[old:HomestarRunnerWiki|HomestarRunnerWiki]] way back when.) -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:14, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

::Most to all wikis use Main Page because they either don't know they can change it or don't have the access. I myself didn't know until I saw MediaWiki. If we're going to have one exception in the main namespace, shouldn't it be such that the title of the wiki can be on the front page? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:23, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

::I agree with Tom. {{User:Salty/sig}} 02:38, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:Well, isn't there some sort of weird developer stuff (I know, I'm vague) that you could do to change the description at the top from "Article" to "Main Page"? I think that would solve the whole problem. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 02:39, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

::I agree with seriously. Although I like Its dot comes Idea.--[[User:H*Bad|H*Bad]] 03:25, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

::Following with what Tom said, I completely disagree that Main Page should be changed to Homestar Runner Wiki. The front page is ''not'' the whole wiki, it's just the main page. It has links to the other pages that ''make up'' the Homestar Runner Wiki. The pratical use of a "Homestar Runner Wiki" page would be to talk about HRWiki, which would go under the HRWiki: namespace, therefore calling itself [[HRWiki:About]], which we already have. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 03:27, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:::Although it would be rater inconvenient. It may just be me, but that seems like to long of a title for the Main Page.--[[User:H*Bad|H*Bad]] 03:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:::Lapper: I think you're splitting hairs here. The reason for the change isn't so that we have an article about the wiki itself, it's so that the words "[[Homestar Runner Wiki]]" will appear, as a title like in that link, at the top of the page all professional-like. I suppose one could make a case that a page called "Homestar Runner Wiki" is just fine for a table of contents of the wiki, and certainly "Talk:Homestar Runner Wiki" would be a good change, since the page is devoted to general discussion about wiki matters and isn't really used much to talk about the contents or format of the front page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:43, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

::::That's not what I was saying; I was saying that that would be the pratical use for such a title. I prefer the term "Main Page", although "Talk:Main Page" is somewhat misleading, as most of the time it isn't for discussion of the Main Page. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 03:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:::::It looks much better as Main Page. That might confuse some users.(Not too sure about that, but maybe.) Plus it already says Homestar Runner Wiki on it.--[[User:H*Bad|H*Bad]] 03:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm happy with leaving it as Main Page. Sort of a "If it ain't broke..." type mentality, but at the same time I think it looks better and is more common and descriptive as it is. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 07:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I think we should make it the Homestar Runner Wiki way. It looks better and makes more sense. {{User:Dagger/sig}} 17:43, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

'''Support'''. I can see the arguments for both sides. The strongest argument against, I think, is that the main page is not the whole Homestar Runner Wiki, but just the entry portal. That being said, I can't see that confusing anyone or causing problems. "Homestar Runner Wiki" would look a little nicer, and it would make the purpose of this talk page more clear (it took me a long time to realize that discussions about the wiki in general were occurring here). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:59, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't care too much, but I would prefer that it stay as the Main Page, for all the reasons above, and most people will already see from the logo that this is the HRWiki, and the Main Page title will complement it by saying that it's the main page. Plus, I don't want to stare at a note that I was redirected when I enter the site. '''Another Option:''' we could do what [[Wikipedia:Main Page|Wikipedia]] does, and cut out the title completely. Something inside me tells me that WP editors got into the same argument we are, and found this to be the best option to satisfy both sides. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 19:26, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:There would be a redirect message? If so, I agree; that would be ugly. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 19:57, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

::No, there would be no redirect message, assuming you don't type all the way out to "/Main Page" each time you load the site. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:58, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

It would just look weird. Plus I like the word: Main Page as the title.--[[User:H*Bad|H*Bad]] 19:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Something to point out is the fact that Wikipedia ''can't'' do this, because they already have an article about [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia|the encyclopedia itself]] in the same place where the title article would go. Most other wikis don't have this problem. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:17, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm kinda in between... on one hand, it really is the Main Page and that's a descriptive title ('Homestar Runner Wiki - Homestar Runner Wiki' would look weird but maybe that can be fixed). On the other hand, 'Homestar Runner Wiki' looks a ton nicer and more welcoming. I'll say I '''support'''. It wouldn't look like an article about the Homestar Runner Wiki any more than 'Main Page' looks like an article about the Main Page on H*R. {{User:Ed smildE/signature}}

To support, I would have to see a benefit to the change, one that is a noticeable improvement over how it is now. If it is changed as proposed, we shall still have a name that does not adequately address the page. THe only problem I've seen noted about the current title is that it is "boring" - but being an encyclopedia, this wiki should not be trying to be "exciting", rather it should be noting what is exciting about Homestar Runner. Since I see no real benefit from such a change, I must '''decline'''.

However, I counterpropose: '''change name''' to "Homestar Runner Wiki - Main Page". This allows the page to be identified as exactly what it is, but also serve as a suitable cover for the encyclopedia. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:I support moving it to Homestar Runner Wiki.[[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]

== Dates for updates ==

They seem to be a month too far. Homestarrunner.com was last updated in May, yet the front page claims it was updated yesterday, which was exactly one month later than it actually was.
:No... It says 5-22-06. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::(S/He means the Wiki's front page claims it was updated yesterday, Dorian. :) ) —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 00:32, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
:You're right, the last big update was in May. But there are several smaller updates that have been happening that are not noted on the HR.com main pages. The dates of the [[Podstar Runner]] releases and [[Store]] updates are indeed accurate. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 00:27, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Main Page

2006-06-24T01:17:13Z

Trelawney: /* Wiki title */

{{Main Page Talk}}

<div style="border:3px solid #fc0;padding:.5em 1em 1em 1em;" class="IntroPageBox">
==Lack of updates==
For anybody wondering why there have been no updates for a while: The bottom line is, we don't know. There is a thread on the forums where people are ''calmly and rationally'' discussing the possibilities. [[Forum:8813|Here is the link]]. Any further discussion on Wiki Talk pages may be removed. Thank you for your patience. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 17:02, 20 June 2006 (UTC)</div>

==Wiki title==

I think we should move this page to [[Homestar Runner Wiki]] (click the link to see what it could look like). That way, it will show the actual title of the wiki instead of boring ol' "Main Page" (which of course would be left as a redirect). The [[MW:|MediaWiki]] front page is an excellent example of how it could be. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:24, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:I really like the idea. It shows exactly who we are upon entering. If I was in charge, I'd've done it from th' start. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::I also support the idea, maybe we should make Main Page a dis. page, though, for [[Main Pages]] and Homestar Runner Wiki. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 01:30, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:Support. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 01:33, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:::Rogue Leader: Main Page and Talk:Main Page would have to redirect to the respective Homestar Runner Wiki pages, due to the amount of links to them, both internal and external. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:34, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:Complete Support: The Main Page talks about '''The Homestar Runner Wiki''' not '''Main Page''' {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 01:44, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

::::It's dot com: That can be accomplished simply by changing the text of [[MediaWiki:Mainpage]] from "Main Page" to "Homestar Runner Wiki". {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 01:56, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:::::Heh. Yes, I know. :) I wanted people to be able to see a preview without [[HRWiki:Standards#Be_bold.2C_but_know_when_not_to_be|being too drastic]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:06, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:I like your idea, Dot com. I'm surprised nobody ever thought of this before. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 02:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:I support leaving it [[Main Page]]. [http://www.google.com/search?&q=%22Main+Page%22+mediawiki Most to all MediaWiki wikis] (257,000,000 at this moment) leave the title as the default. This page is the sole exception to the "articles are in the main namespace" rule, and giving it a different title would make it seem as if this was an article about the Homestar Runner Wiki (remember, we already have an article for that at [[HRWiki:A History]]). This is the main page of the wiki, it's our cover page and our table of contents. It's not the Homestar Runner Wiki. The entire wiki is the Homestar Runner Wiki. (I also never liked it when our main page was called [[old:HomestarRunnerWiki|HomestarRunnerWiki]] way back when.) -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:14, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

::Most to all wikis use Main Page because they either don't know they can change it or don't have the access. I myself didn't know until I saw MediaWiki. If we're going to have one exception in the main namespace, shouldn't it be such that the title of the wiki can be on the front page? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:23, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

::I agree with Tom. {{User:Salty/sig}} 02:38, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:Well, isn't there some sort of weird developer stuff (I know, I'm vague) that you could do to change the description at the top from "Article" to "Main Page"? I think that would solve the whole problem. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 02:39, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

::I agree with seriously. Although I like Its dot comes Idea.--[[User:H*Bad|H*Bad]] 03:25, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

::Following with what Tom said, I completely disagree that Main Page should be changed to Homestar Runner Wiki. The front page is ''not'' the whole wiki, it's just the main page. It has links to the other pages that ''make up'' the Homestar Runner Wiki. The pratical use of a "Homestar Runner Wiki" page would be to talk about HRWiki, which would go under the HRWiki: namespace, therefore calling itself [[HRWiki:About]], which we already have. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 03:27, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:::Although it would be rater inconvenient. It may just be me, but that seems like to long of a title for the Main Page.--[[User:H*Bad|H*Bad]] 03:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:::Lapper: I think you're splitting hairs here. The reason for the change isn't so that we have an article about the wiki itself, it's so that the words "[[Homestar Runner Wiki]]" will appear, as a title like in that link, at the top of the page all professional-like. I suppose one could make a case that a page called "Homestar Runner Wiki" is just fine for a table of contents of the wiki, and certainly "Talk:Homestar Runner Wiki" would be a good change, since the page is devoted to general discussion about wiki matters and isn't really used much to talk about the contents or format of the front page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:43, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

::::That's not what I was saying; I was saying that that would be the pratical use for such a title. I prefer the term "Main Page", although "Talk:Main Page" is somewhat misleading, as most of the time it isn't for discussion of the Main Page. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 03:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:::::It looks much better as Main Page. That might confuse some users.(Not too sure about that, but maybe.) Plus it already says Homestar Runner Wiki on it.--[[User:H*Bad|H*Bad]] 03:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm happy with leaving it as Main Page. Sort of a "If it ain't broke..." type mentality, but at the same time I think it looks better and is more common and descriptive as it is. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 07:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I think we should make it the Homestar Runner Wiki way. It looks better and makes more sense. {{User:Dagger/sig}} 17:43, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

'''Support'''. I can see the arguments for both sides. The strongest argument against, I think, is that the main page is not the whole Homestar Runner Wiki, but just the entry portal. That being said, I can't see that confusing anyone or causing problems. "Homestar Runner Wiki" would look a little nicer, and it would make the purpose of this talk page more clear (it took me a long time to realize that discussions about the wiki in general were occurring here). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:59, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I don't care too much, but I would prefer that it stay as the Main Page, for all the reasons above, and most people will already see from the logo that this is the HRWiki, and the Main Page title will complement it by saying that it's the main page. Plus, I don't want to stare at a note that I was redirected when I enter the site. '''Another Option:''' we could do what [[Wikipedia:Main Page|Wikipedia]] does, and cut out the title completely. Something inside me tells me that WP editors got into the same argument we are, and found this to be the best option to satisfy both sides. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 19:26, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:There would be a redirect message? If so, I agree; that would be ugly. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 19:57, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

::No, there would be no redirect message, assuming you don't type all the way out to "/Main Page" each time you load the site. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:58, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

It would just look weird. Plus I like the word: Main Page as the title.--[[User:H*Bad|H*Bad]] 19:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Something to point out is the fact that Wikipedia ''can't'' do this, because they already have an article about [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia|the encyclopedia itself]] in the same place where the title article would go. Most other wikis don't have this problem. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:17, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm kinda in between... on one hand, it really is the Main Page and that's a descriptive title ('Homestar Runner Wiki - Homestar Runner Wiki' would look weird but maybe that can be fixed). On the other hand, 'Homestar Runner Wiki' looks a ton nicer and more welcoming. I'll say I '''support'''. It wouldn't look like an article about the Homestar Runner Wiki any more than 'Main Page' looks like an article about the Main Page on H*R. {{User:Ed smildE/signature}}

To support, I would have to see a benefit to the change, one that is a noticeable improvement over how it is now. If it is changed as proposed, we shall still have a name that does not adequately address the page. THe only problem I've seen noted about the current title is that it is "boring" - but being an encyclopedia, this wiki should not be trying to be "exciting", rather it should be noting what is exciting about Homestar Runner. Since I see no real benefit from such a change, I must '''decline'''.

However, I counterpropose: '''change name''' to "Homestar Runner Wiki - Main Page". This allows the page to be identified as exactly what it is, but also serve as a suitable cover for the encyclopedia. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

:I support moving it to Homestar Runner Wiki.

== Dates for updates ==

They seem to be a month too far. Homestarrunner.com was last updated in May, yet the front page claims it was updated yesterday, which was exactly one month later than it actually was.
:No... It says 5-22-06. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::(S/He means the Wiki's front page claims it was updated yesterday, Dorian. :) ) —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 00:32, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
:You're right, the last big update was in May. But there are several smaller updates that have been happening that are not noted on the HR.com main pages. The dates of the [[Podstar Runner]] releases and [[Store]] updates are indeed accurate. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 00:27, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Main Page

2006-06-16T23:19:49Z

Trelawney: /* #1 Jams */

{{Main Page Talk}}

== Kind of interesting ==

if only because we're explicitly mentioned. [http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=251&topic=27885046] I've saved a screenshot of it if anybody wants to see it after they purge it. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 06:35, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

This does not work anymore.
[[:Image:Thank you wiki.png]] There you go. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 04:14, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

:He says "Thank You Wiki," as in, "Thanks For The TDM3 Walkthrough, Homestar Runner Wiki; It Really Helped"? Awexome ^_^ . —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 04:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

== All Articles Page ==

For the first time, I clicked on the [[Special:Allpages|articles]] link on the Main Page, and the text that was displayed was
<table style='background: inherit;'><tr><td align="right">[[Special:Allpages/$11.01|$11.01]]</td><td>[[Special:Allpages/$11.01| to ]]</td><td align="left">[[Special:Allpages/$11.01|Keytar]]</td></tr>
<tr><td align="right">[[Special:Allpages/Kick The Can|Kick The Can]]</td><td>[[Special:Allpages/Kick The Can| to ]]</td><td align="left">[[Special:Allpages/Kick The Can|Strongbadia]]</td></tr>
<tr><td align="right">[[Special:Allpages/Strongbadia's Seven Elemental Spirits|Strongbadia's Seven Elemental Spirits]]</td><td>[[Special:Allpages/Strongbadia's Seven Elemental Spirits| to ]]</td><td align="left">[[Special:Allpages/Strongbadia's Seven Elemental Spirits|pom pom]]</td></tr>
<tr><td align="right">[[Special:Allpages/pom pom (email)|pom pom (email)]]</td><td>[[Special:Allpages/pom pom (email)| to ]]</td><td align="left">[[Special:Allpages/pom pom (email)|your friends]]</td></tr></table>

I stared at the page for a few minutes, certain that this seemingly random collection of words was vandalism before I realized that they were names of mostly obscure articles.

So, I'm wondering if there's a better way to present this page. I understand that the object of the page is to divide up the articles into sections of the alphabet, but what if the page instead displayed (for example)
<pre>
$ to K
L to R
S to o
p to y
</pre>
(with appropriate links, of course)

I'm just thinking that if this page was confusing to me, it must be very confusing for newcomers to the Wiki. The above reformatting (or something like it) would make a lot more sense to the uninitiated, I think. Thanks! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:21, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I like the idea, though maybe it could say "$ to Ki", to be more accurate. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]

:It can't hurt to suggest that to the developers as an enhancement for future versions: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 17:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

::Oh—is this an immutable part of the software? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:17, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

:::Well, ''nothing's'' immutable. In fact, anyone who wants to can suggest changes to [http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/tags/REL1_6_5/phase3/includes/SpecialAllpages.php?view=markup the source file]. I personally, however, don't see this as a pressing need at this time. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:27, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

::::I see; thanks for your reply. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
If it's worth anything, that confused me as well, the first time I looked at it. {{User:Salty/sig}} 20:45, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

:The thing is, that page is automagically generated. It just happened, that, at the time, [[Keytar]] was the 1000th page, alphabetically (I think it's paged by the 1000, anyway... rough count gives around that number). Sure, it's possible to make it "$ to Ki", etc, but look at it, it'd need to make it something like "$ to Ki", "Ki to Strongbadia", "Strongbadia's to pom pom", "pom pom ( to z" or something like that, just because of how it happened to split that time – not really any help at all. What you'd have to do is get rid of the fixed-size pages, and just page by the first letter of the name or something similar, but good luck getting someone to actually bother to code it – on a large wiki like Wikipedia that would result in ''massive'' pages (have you seen [[Wikipedia:Special:Allpages]]?) so the people who code MediaWiki are unlikely to want to code this as standard. We could probably add it ourselves separately, but (1) we have stopped making any changes until we get 1.6 working and (B) even after that, as It's dot com said, it's not really a pressing need – even if it's a little confusing at first it shouldn't take too long to work out, and [[Special:Allpages]] isn't a particularly useful page here anyway (in my opinion). {{User:Phlip/sig}} 13:28, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

::I'm not particularly attached to having that [[Special:Allpages|articles]] link on the Main Page. Joey [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=39356&oldid=39355 added it] a while back, and seeing as that page isn't particularly useful to first-timers or regular users in its present unmodified state, I move that we remove it. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:43, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

== Page views ==
Deleting and then restoring pages seems to remove their page views... is there any way to fix that? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 12:51, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

:You mean like on [[technology]], the "This page has been accessed 7 times" thing? I don't know of anything, and I don't really think it's ''that'' important... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 13:28, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

::For one, you'd have to know what the number was before it was deleted in order to be able to reset it. The original figure is gone from the database. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:07, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

:::A [http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:2sCksLIc8rEJ:www.hrwiki.org/index.php/technology+technology+hrwiki&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=1&client=firefox-a google cache I found] dated May 5, 2006 06:41:10 GMT gives "This page has been accessed 38,417 times." -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:32, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

== Episode V: The DOS strikes back! ==
About an hour ago, I had huge problems going to both here and the Fanstuff wiki. Nothing would load. Was that just my broken compy, or did it happen to the rest of you? — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 21:07, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
:You're not alone. It was here too. Were we upgrading or anything? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::Routine maintenance. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:36, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

== Anyone here a member of wikipedia as well? ==

If yes, go to Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 May 13, and scroll down to the userbox "THIS USER'S HEAD ASPLODE." Some guy, is planning to delete it, so if you can, go there and say, keep.

[[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 23:53, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

:[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 May 13#Template:User asplode|This vote]]? The debate for that template has already finished, and the result was keep. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:01, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
::It's too bad there's not a picture of [[Vector Strong Bad]] in that userbox. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:31, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

==Replacing the logo==
Are we replacing the logo? Because here on [[User:Soapergem/Legal]] it says that we are. Is this true?--[[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 03:43, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
:No it doesn't. Read closer. It says ''"If you intend..."'' Keyword '''IF'''. --{{User:Soapergem/sig}} 03:46, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
::Thank you for sharing that, as I currently use this logo for our [http://www.frappr.com/homestarrunnerwiki Frappr] group. So I'm going now to add those statements requasted there. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:35, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

== 4 million page views fast approaching ==

We must be doing something right if we're getting that many main page views that quickly. (Well, either that or someone is repeatedly clicking "Reload".) [[HRWiki:Main_Page_Talk_Archive_9#3,000,000!|Three million]] was only three months ago. [[HRWiki:Main Page Talk Archive 6#I think today's the day...|I think we'll get that 2,000,002 more.]] {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 18:31, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

:It's 4,001,240 views as of right now. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:14, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

== CAPTCHA Codes: A new look at editing or a swan dive overboard? ==
Hey everybody, whadda ya think about the CAPTCHA codes? You can post if it's a good idea or a bad idea. I think it's a bad idea, because they're so hard to read! And I think HRWiki's been a little ''too'' overprotective since The Incident.

:[[Special:Userlogin|Create an account]] and you won't need to bother with the CAPTCHA to edit. Registering a free account takes only a few seconds, and has [[HRWiki:Why create an account?|many benefits]].  -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:07, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

::I agree that these captchas are really hard. It usually takes me 3 or 4 tries to get it right. Very annoying. [[User:66.168.31.12|66.168.31.12]] 23:17, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

:::As I mentioned, if you [[Special:Userlogin|create an account]] you won't need to bother with the CAPTCHA to edit. Registering a free account takes only a few seconds, and has [[HRWiki:Why create an account?|many benefits]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:37, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

:::: Thanks, Tom. While I consider your solution, let me ask you to also consider my solution: get some easier CAPTCHAs, it will make it easier for anonymous editors. Simply put, I don't edit this site regularly enough to want an account, and 3 out of 4 times, I give up on my edits because of the CAPTCHA. [[User:66.168.31.12|66.168.31.12]] 10:31, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

::::: Then you are not tenacious enough. The captcha is not especially easy to read (that's the point, after all), but it's not especially difficult either; I just loaded several dozen of them, and I was able to guess the code correctly better than 9 out of every 10 times. Besides, even if you only edit once every six months, that's still enough to get an account. Making an account (and, later, logging in) takes no time at all. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:15, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

::::::: Well congratulations on your superior CAPTCHA reading abilities. Maybe you should switch to anonymous editing. As for me, sometimes I have to do three or four tries for a single edit. Maybe it's because I'm not actually a person, but rather a spambot who thinks he's a person. [[User:66.168.31.12|66.168.31.12]] 14:23, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

::::::::Then why are you spending so much time trying to figure out CAPTCHAs when it takes a few seconds to register an account? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 17:01, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

::::::::: I'd tell you why I don't want to join your ridiculous community, but I'm afraid that if I did, one of your trigger happy admins would block me (again). Suffice to say that I don't want to be a part of your community, but I do check the site about once a month, and as a hardcore Wikipedia addict, I expect to be able to fix typos, improve wording, etc. When I find that I cannot, I get quite frustrated. It is of course your right to impose barriers to anonymous editing, but it is also my right to complain about it. I'm really quite sick of hearing as a response "get an account". OK, I got it the first time. I don't need to hear 4 more times how getting an account will allow me to not edit anonymously. Thanks. For a change, why don't you try this response next time: "dear IP address, we are a tightly knit community of editors, and we don't really want your edits if you can't be bothered to register an account, so bugger off". This would be much more honest, don't you think? [[User:66.168.31.12|66.168.31.12]] 05:47, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::: Unfortunately, captcha (in its current form) is here to stay for the foreseeable future. We have proposed to you what we feel is a reasonable solution to your problem, but if you choose not to avail yourself of it, then fine, that's your business. Nobody said we didn't want your edits, and it's too bad that you find the method to eliminate the captchas even more inconvenient than putting up with them. You're free to complain, but every time you do, we have the right to tell you to get an account, whether or not you're sick of hearing it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:07, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

::::::What's this The Incident? There was a The Incident? Where was I? {{User:VolatileChemical/sig}} 21:35, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

:::::::[[HRWiki:A History#NSMC|NSMC]]. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:37, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Which brings up yet another question for critics of the captcha: How exactly do you suggest we prevent bot attacks like that of the NSMC vandal? {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 22:40, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
::::::::: Maybe just a better captcha system. [[User:66.168.31.12|66.168.31.12]] 04:37, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

==Is Something Wrong?==
When I go to the wiki homepage and mouse over my name, all those little prefrences and things go to the other side. {{unsigned|Dactyl22|02:39, 30 May 2006 (UTC)}}

I used to have it when i used IE6, it only happened half the time for me though. Maximizing your window helps, or if you want you can get firefox. It's your choice. - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 07:52, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

==monobook.js and monobook.css==

What are they? And what are they for? [[User:ApocalypX|ApocalypX]]
:See [[Meta:Help:User style|Meta → Help:User style]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:12, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

== H*R for lazy people! ==

I don't want to have to check the hrwiki.org front page for Homestar Runner site updates. I want the SITE to contact ME. I want to subscribe to a Homestar Runner mailing list, so that I get emailed every time there's a new cartoon, email or game. Somebody start doing this please and I'll definately sign up! --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 21:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
:We are a knowledge base, not a message service. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 21:39, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
:That is the stupidest thing I have heard today, on several different levels. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 19:17, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
:Hey, I'll gladly e-mail you when updates come out. I charge 3 dollars for big updates, 2 dollars for weeklies, and 1 dollar for minor updates. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 19:25, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
:: Actually, according to my understanding, the main H*R site used to do just that. Not anymore though, since for a very long time they were updating essentially weekly. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:24, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Yeah, they did do that. I received their last update before they gave it up. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 22:25, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
::::What about using an RSS feed? [http://www.interglacial.com/rss/homestar.rss This one] polls the official site for updates, or you could subscribe to [http://theblackforge.net/hrwiki.xml this one] which polls the [[H*R.com updates 2006]] article for updates. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 00:47, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

== what going to happen? ==

Because Homestar runner wiki didn't reach its donation goal, whats going to happen to it?

[[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 02:45, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

<pouf!> It's gone! Actually, we're only like $25 away. Can you help? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:56, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

You mean its like deleted?--[[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 03:03, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

'''CHURCH:''' ''{sighs}'' Yes. The HRWiki is deleted. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:24, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

And the fanstuff?--[[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 03:28, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

:I actually have a dictionary without the word "gullible". No, the wiki and the fanstuff wiki are in no IMMEDIATE risk of deltaco. But $25 short can mean the difference between meeting a monthly payment and failing to. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:39, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Then donate. I can't lose this wiki. I have gotten so many more friends on here. And I am sure so have som others.--[[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 03:41, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

:Just so you know, even if that's what you're thinking in your head, you really shouldn't post that in this thread. It's a very selfish way to put it and disrespects those who actually do donate. I understand that your situation is probably such that you are not in a position to donate, but nevertheless that's how you come across. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:54, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I redid it.

:As it turns out, there were some donation stragglers, and we did end up meeting our goal. High fives! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:14, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

How, much did we go over?--[[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 20:04, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

== A technical poem ==

On the main page boxes,where the recent updates and stuff art how'd they get the pics of the characters on em?

<div align="left" style="background:url('/skins/common/images/strongbad-background.gif') no-repeat bottom right;">You mean that guy? I believe it was [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]]. He took the image, changed The Colors on it, and added it to some technical place In the wiki software; something that requires Developer rights to do. Then he put it against a blue background, to make it all look nice. Hope that answers your question, sufficently. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 19:05, 3 June 2006 (UTC) </div>

:You just know there's dozens of people still out there who are going to ask sooner or later, regardless. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 02:48, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
:* The CSS code on Monobook.css reads:
<pre> .MainPageWhatsNewBox, .MainPageWikiStuffBox {
background: url(/skins/common/images/strongbad-background.gif);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
background-position: bottom right;
}</pre> CSS is your friend! --[[User:AndrewNeo|AndrewNeo]] 17:13, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

== New main page style ==

I tweaked the main page design. There seemed to be a pretty strong consensus that the [[:Image:Main Page Spring 2006.png|pink and baby blue]] were due for a change. Tell what U think about the new design. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:22, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

:Slick! {{User:FireBird/sig}} 04:26, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

::Nice new style as we progress and change. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 04:27, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
:::It's really, really nice. o_o I keep goin' back to look at it. Every time I look at it, I can't believe how awesome it is. It's just plain amazing. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::::Very nice! Me liky. How about a section on [[HRWiki:A History]] about the design changes? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 04:40, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::Shiny! I like how Strong Bad is popping in like the side, as if he's saying "Hey, don't forget to get me too!" - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 04:47, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

::::::Ugh. I don't like it. I dunno. Looks like its trying to be all futuristic and such. It just doesn't seem like the Wiki's style. [[User:Codejkoolguy|Codejkoolguy]] 05:05, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

:::::::just kinda... shiney and such.

::::::::I like it, but I don't like the gray backgrounds and the poster-SB/Homestar. {{User:Salty/sig}} 05:25, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::Meh, I like it pretty well. Though it is a just teeny bit too, umm, modern (for lack of a better word). But it's still pretty good, says I. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:24, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

::::::::::Too modern? That's un-possible. I say we must move forward, not backward; upward, not forward; and always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:33, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
:Concept is good, but Homestar image is too hard to make out. SB is OK, but I wonder if there more text if that would be so. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 05:34, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
::I love the bars, but I'd like the slightly red and blue backgrounds for the tables to return- maybe in less pinky and baby blue colors. The Homestar is obscured as well, but overall, it's very stylish. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 05:36, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Qermaq: We had the same spacing problems with the old design, depending on the size of your browser window. I didn't attempt to even address that. This design is simply to move away from the pastel colors. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:38, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
::::Actually, spacing wasn't a problem here. Just the overall look is less in-your-face than it could be, more subtle than optimal. Mind you, a little red/blue wasn't so bad. A touch of those colors in the background might tie the whole page together better. But the images should be a little more bold. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 05:43, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

:::::I have implemented both of those suggestions. Remember, though, that subtle is good... we still have to be able to read text over the images. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:05, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
::::::As is, the background might be a little '''too''' bold. Is there a middle ground? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 06:11, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::::I went back to the gray on the left. The red was just a little much and made Homestar look kinda weird, and if we go to a lighter red then we're right back to pink. I think the gray helps him stand out a little, and I really like the blue on the right and how Strong Bad looks against it. I also reduced the size of the characters to match what we had before. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:33, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

::::::::I love it! Do you think we should change the [[HRWiki:The Stick]] background as well? {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 13:26, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

:More of an artistic comment than a technical one, but I have a problem with the contrast of the main page style with the rest of the style. Basically, the reason that I liked the old style was that it's cartoony and soft-colors blended well with the rest of the site's design. I think that if the main page were just viewed alone, it would look very good. However, if we want to continue with a "modern metal" style, I think that we'd need a new background and a logo redesign, because the rest of the site is still very cartoony looking. -[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 14:32, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

::I agree about the contrast. The <s>two</s> <ins style="text-decoration:none;font-weight:bold;">three</ins> color bars seem really "in your face." Sure, it's cool to use gradients once in awhile, but these particular ones are very sharp colors that just jump out at you in an unwarranted sort of way. Maybe fade them a little bit. --{{User:Soapergem/sig}} 14:46, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

:::My thoughts exactly. They look awesome, but they just don't fit with the rest oif the wiki. --[[User:Ju Ju Master|Ju Ju Master]] 15:04, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

::::Thanks for all the work you put into it Dot com, it looks awsome. The bars do kind of stand out in relation to the rest of the page though, what about instead of fading from red/blue to black, what about fading to the background of the page? I'm not sure how that would look, but I'll just throw that out there. But it does look pretty darn snazzy. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 15:35, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

:It is pretty slick, though I think I liked the old one better. Is there a way to keep it available?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 15:43, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
:: You can override the CSS code. Copy the contents of [[User:AndrewNeo/monobook.css]] into yours ([[User:Bassbone/monobook.css]]) and it should look more-correct. I liked the older one better, too. --[[User:AndrewNeo|AndrewNeo]] 17:10, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

:::A lot of people are making the comments that it looks slick, snazzy, sharp, modern, and so on. ''This is 100-percent intentional.'' I strongly believe that the main page should be as interesting as possible, and with all due respect to the designer of the previous version, I have for a long time found it to be ''too'' flat, ''too'' cutesy. This is a site about a cartoon, but that doesn't mean we have to be strictly cartoony. My Simpsons quote above ("forward, not backward...") was kind of silly, but I meant it. We should be doing everything to keep this site as up-to-date as possible. It's the first thing people see. As for whether it fits with the rest of the site, I think hardly any the rest of the site is or has been affected by what the main page looks like, and this one fits in as well as the previous one. But if updating the main page means we should update some other pages, then so be it (although I don't see the need for this). The other item that we should look at is whether we should update the logo (and I don't think the two suggestions based on the official H*R logo and Wikipedia's logo are viable candidates, simply because they are based on others' official logos). Last (this reply turned out to be a novel), look closely: the chrome effect does not fade to black, just a dark color. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:17, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

::::I wasn't using slick as a perjorative. I just meant it looked slick and well-done. I like it. I just am used to the old one. I am a man set in his ways, so change happens to me slowly. But good work overall.{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 02:29, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

::::Good stuff, I like it. {{unsigned|71.131.249.78|}}

::::PWN-erific! --[[User:Dongolev|Dongolev]] 17:24, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

:::::What exactly was "PWN"ed here?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 02:29, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
::::::The old style? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

:::::<del>As I mentioned in the forum, the chrome effect (whether it's a fade to black or just fade-to-darker isn't relevant—we're all talking about the same thing) is a step back to the Clinton-era web design, not a step forward.</del> I really appreciate the effort you put into this, It's dot com, and it's pretty clear that other aspects of the design are very popular, but you seem to be taking critiques of this one particular feature personally, which isn't helping to move this process forward. Why not try a few other things with it and see how people like them? When you're working for a client (and sure you're not getting paid, but you still have a client—the HRWiki community) design is an iterative process with lots of push and pull, and I think we have a few more iterations to go before we'll have somethinge everyone is happy with. — [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 17:35, 4 June 2006 (UTC) (Edit 17:48, 4 June 2006 (UTC))
::::::Dot com, I have to agree with Jones here some. Personally, I like the new look compared to the old. <del>However, I know that I don't hang out here as much as some of our other users, and so my opinion doesn't mean much.</del> This is a wiki, everyone's opinion matters equally. I also happen to feel that if there is an alternative to using this style (as in, using your own monobook.css), then it really doesn't matter what the front page is :). In short, I like it, but if you still have more creative juice in those fingers of yours I wouldn't mind seeing what else you can come up with. {{User:Stu/sig}}19:02, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
:Although "pink" and "baby blue" weren't exactly the greatest colors in the opinion of many, I feel that this design is a bit... robotic. If anything, I'd rather we turn to Wikipedia's Main Page design, than these harsh, metallic gradients. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 17:54, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

::<s>For those of you reverting to the old style by manually changing your monobook.css file to reflect the contents of [[User:AndrewNeo/monobook.css]], take a look at [[User:Soapergem/monobook.css|my version]] real quick, Andrew missed a couple of borders. Obviously you don't need to copy the very first item in mine, which changes the logo, but I quickly patched up everything else in mine.</s> --{{User:Soapergem/sig}} 18:22, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
::* Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't look very hard for what had changed. --[[User:AndrewNeo|AndrewNeo]] 22:05, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Although using my monobook its red and green. So I guess it doesn't matter how it looks.--[[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 18:23, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Ugh, no. The big ugly gradients stand out way to much; they look totally out of place. Put it back. [[User:Qduk|Qduk]] 20:03, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

The main page looks pretty good.--[[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 20:07, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

It suits the H*R theme perfectly I think. --[[User:Noonelikeskat|josh]] 21:19, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

:I love the new design. It's wonderful, although I can barely see the Homestar and Strong Bad backgrounds on my monitor. {{User:Kilroy/sig}} 21:33, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

::InterruptorJones: As I said on the forum (it really is dumb that we have two threads about this), I'm perfectly willing to compromise and have already. There's really no reason to suggest otherwise. I'm working on softening the chrome. To those scrambling to edit their personal CSS: I would wait a little bit, first because you may start to like the new design, and second because this is a work in progress and the specifications are likely to change for a little while. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:44, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

:::I agree, the two threads are dumb, so I'll stick to this page from now on. The reason it seemed you were unwilling to compromise is because when I expressed my opinion about the chrome bars (which I admit I did not do in the best way, though I stand by my opinion) you didn't say "Okay, I'll consider your opinion and that of others and come up with some revisions." Rather, you pointed out that they don't fade to black at all and then said "I'm afraid I have to disagree with you completely there. All the coolest Firefox, Windows, and other skins have gone to a that effect, and the one I used on the main page was based on one I found that was only introduced this year. This is an up-to-date design," which, possibly despite your intentions, came off reading a lot like "You're wrong and there's nothing wrong with my design and I'm not gonna change it." Anyway, I'm glad you're making revisions and I'm eager to see them. — [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 00:04, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
::::I see where the confusion was. (For those following along, at the time I was replying to a post where Jones had just said that chrome was popular in 1998 but not now.) This is what I meant to say: "It's fine if you don't like the chrome, and we're still tweaking the design, but don't discount it simply because it seems retro to you, because I actually see the chrome in a lot of recent designs." That's all. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:36, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::Well I like the chrome myself. It looks cool, if you ask me. And sure it stands out, but that's what headers are supposed to do. And it isn't eye-searing. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 00:52, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Man, I come home to the wiki, and bam, I see an awesome Main Page. Sweet new style. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 01:08, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
::::::::The only words that I can use to describe this new modern Main Page are: "Awesome, awesome fancy danish." That's some nice designing, It's dot com. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 19:21, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Okay, I dramatically softened the chrome. I don't like it as much, but I like it fine. I also enhanced the pictures of Homestar and Strong Bad, because I noticed that they're not as visible on my lappy as on my compy (now hopefully they're not too dark on the compy, which isn't where I am). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:17, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
:Hmm... the background color seems to get cut off a little before reaching the top, and I don't like the lack of border. Besides that it's fine with me. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 04:15, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
::You've softened it. I like it. Looks good. --{{User:Soapergem/sig}} 05:20, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
:::I have no complaints. It looks really good now. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:33, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
::::I've liked it from the beginning, and it looks extra-special-cool now. It takes awexome to new levels. The way it is right now is my most favourite design of it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::Joshua: You may need to do a hard refresh. It should be a smooth transition of color. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
I don't like the gradients. At all. Whatsoever. They look far too "inexperienced Flash user" to me. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:Dot com, this is awesome. You've truly outdone yourself. I think that the headers are perfectly fine, and that they shouldn't be lightened anymore. However, I think that the background should be changed to a lighter grey, as we can then see Homestar better. Other than that, I love this format, and I'm glad to get rid of the pastels. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 19:37, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
::Oh yeah: Dot com, is there any way for you to show me what the headers used to look like? — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 19:38, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
:::Click on the link at the very top of this thread for the archived main page. The background you mention is a little tricky, because not all monitors are calibrated the same. Depending on your settings, it could either look too dark or too light, and so I aimed for a middle-of-the-road setting that would look acceptable, if not necessarily perfect, on most people's screens. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:02, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
::::I have no personal problem with the backgrounds, but I'd much prefer solid-color headers, as with Wikipedia, Wikinews, et al. In fact, I can't actually ''find'' another Wiki that even uses gradients, much less makes them look good. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::Maybe 'cause they haven't tried. At this point, I think enough people are good with this design that we're gonna go with it for a while. I myself did try using flat versions of the colors, and while they look passable, they seem to be missing that little something extra. You can always edit your personal CSS, though. I recommend #C90C00 (red) and #3470B9 (blue) if you want the colors to match. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:01, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
::::::I like it, especially the blue side. Good job --{{User:Garfunkel/sig}} 16:28, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

== [[Special:DoubleRedirects]] looking funny again ==

[[User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3|TotalSpaceshipGuy3's]] sig is listed as a double redirect to about ten different pages, and the various rejected titles of [[Homestar Runner and Strong Bad's Relationship]] show up as well. None of the double redirects it mentions actually double redirect. Something's up — ''again''. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 05:56, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

:I'm not sure what was up, but it's all clear now. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 06:23, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

== I had this awesome idea ==
Maybe the wiki could have a myspace! I'll make it if anything. -EveryoneLovesStevenRight?
:Sorry, but I think that's a bad idea. One of the best things about a wiki is that all of the biographical and informational articles are contained right within the wiki itself. Extrawiki pages, like the Frappr group, are interesting but ultimately unofficial. In a worst-case scenerio, a MySpace could be dangerous because its unmonitored nature is inviting to Internet predators and we have enough young users who might not know how to protect themselves. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:07, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

== Homestar Runner Wikipedia featured article nomination ==

The [[Wikipedia:Homestar Runner|Homestar Runner]] page on Wikipedia is currently being nominated to be a featured article. You can vote on whether or not it should be featured [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Featured_article_candidates/Homestar_Runner|here]]. {{User:Kilroy/sig}} 17:28, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

== Frampton Running Gag ==

Could the repeated mentions of Peter Frampton, as in the Strong Bad Main Page, sbemail 5, The best Decemberween ever, qualify ita as a running gag? Please let me know so I can make an article

:I say go for it. --[[User:Sam Goldfish|Sam Goldfish]] 01:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

::I did it, but it's already up for deletion. I need somebody to provide some help.'''Retromaniac'''

==#1 Jams==

Should there be a page for #1 Jams?

*You mean like Fhqwhgads and Sibbie (which was actually #3)? I think probably the songs' pages are enough, but we could make notes about the "ranking" of each song (and which ones are #1 summer jams) [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]

Talk:Strong Sad's Lament

2006-06-13T21:46:57Z

Trelawney:

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==Closed STUFF==
These were on the [[STUFF]] page. If you wish to contest these, leave a note here, but don't allow it to be confused with any of the original votes.

=== Meh (Declined) ===
"meh" is one of Strong Sad's emotions, and it also is frequently said by The Cheat.

*'''Decline.''' It's to obvious, It's like saying Homestar's speech impediment. Meh is also an emotion meaning normal, not happy, not sad, just...meh. - [[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 14:14, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second.''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 06:36, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

=== Strong Bad's Lament? (Accepted but later extensively reworded)===
History Lesson Part II is written in the exact style of Strong Bad, as in that the entry says Johnny Appleseed was a hippie, and calls Strong Sad "dumpus". This may be becasue Strong Sad gave out his password earlier, so Strong Bad may have hacked Strong Sad's account and written his own entry.

*'''Decline.''' If that was true, Strong Bad would more likely write "HJLWHOUISNASNKL?A STUPID!! GUY I AM A STUPID GUY!! HA HA HA!!!!GUIS kljIUS SJ". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 14:16, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*That was one incident! You can't say that Strong Bad would write like that all the time. And you can't honestly say that sounds like Strong Sad. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 20:39, 4 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*<s>'''Revise, Accept''' Too much speculation as written, but I must admit that it DOES look a bit more like SB's handiwork than SS's. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 00:17, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)</s>
*'''Decline''' I'm not seeing Strong Bad listening to a live David Bowie track... [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:36, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**And doubt Strong Bad could draw that good. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:42, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
** We ARE talking about the same Strong Bad, right...?
*You're using his art and musical tastes as an argument? Strong Bad's drawings of Trogdor during the theme is just as good as Saddy Dumpington, and Strong Sad would not call himself Dump*, let alone call anyone a hippie. And Strong Bad's character in no way reflects his music choices. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 16:15, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**What makes you think the drawings at the end of [[dragon]] are Strong Bad's? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 17:43, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
***What makes you think the Saddy Dumpington drawing is Strong Sad's? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 17:54, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**My point is, TBC would never make a joke that subtle. For example, [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]] didn't end without proofing who really judged the pumpkins. This "fact" is almost silly as ye old [http://old.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=MarzipansAnsweringMachine%2FVersion+10.2%2FComments Homestar prank call debate]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 17:35, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*** So you're saying it DOES look like the kind of thing Strong Sad would write, what with all the typical Strong Bad comments? ("Dumpington", "freaking", "hippie", etc.) --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 18:35, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**Yes/Maybe, I highly doubt Strong Bad would praise Francis Scott Key. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 19:10, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*Oh, and thanks to whoever added "Strong Bad's Lament to this section. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 16:16, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Vote change!''' Yup, I'm changing my vote. To a simple '''Accept'''. I didn't notice that his password really WAS given out on the page! I'm still pretty confident that the writing style and choice of words look more like SB than SS. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 18:00, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Accept''' [[User: Lord Pikachon|Lord Pikachon]]
*'''Accept''' Like Jay said above, I also don't think Strong Sad would use the words "freaking" and "hippie". I also don't think he "rocks out", even orchestrally, but that's just my opinion. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:23, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Secondinate!'''[[User:TakuaKaita600|TakuaKaita600]] 16:59, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)

'''I challenge this''', now that Strong Sad, in the new toon, claims to have invented Saddy Dumpington. It sounds like Strong Bad, but we have no reason to doubt Strong Sad when he says that he made Saddy Dumpington.

:Since the release of [[A Folky Tale]], this item has been extensively reworded to account for the apparent contradictions between the style of the post and the fact that Strong Sad claims to have made up Saddy Dumpintgon. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:46, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

'''I propose moving it from Remarks to its own section.''' I originally created a new section called "Continuity Errors" for the reworded version (c.f the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Strong_Sad%27s_Lament&diff=132052&oldid=132049 diff]), but [[User:Pertmywert|Pertmywert]] reverted it. With respect to Pertmywert, I feel that this revert was rather hasty (it was reverted only two minutes after I posted my edits!) and without merit, and I would like to ask for a vote on it. With the release of the new toon and the increased length of the reworded version, I think it's important enough to deserve its own section. — [[User:68.46.120.170|68.46.120.170]] 17:41, 23 Aug 2005 (EDT)

:If it were to be in its own section, I don't think Continuity Errors fits, because the explanations offered are not really errors. I think it fits as a remark (a long remark), because essentially it's ''one'' comment on ''one'' of Strong Sad's posts. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:52, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Perhaps a subsection? And it doesn't have to be called Continuity Errors; there's probably a better name out there somewhere. I just have two main concerns: 1) the remark is so much bigger than all the others, possibly distracting from them; and 2) it's hard to properly left-align an indented sublist that contains a newline. (The second concern could of course be allayed by a friendly Formatting Gnome. ☺) — [[User:68.46.120.170|68.46.120.170]] 22:27, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::The way you've fixed it looks good so far. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:35, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Grim Reaper ==
*Is it worth noting that the grim reaper appers both [[HR:/sadjournal/vday.swf|here]] on Strong Sad's lament as well as in [[Experimental Film]] (though in the latter, Strong Sad is in the GR costume)?
:Nah, it just fits Strong Sad's personality. Always looking at the darker side of things.

Where was the box under strong sad's bed that had a slide show of strong bad and strong sad as kids??
:[[The Secrets That I Keep]] —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 09:24, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Goofs vs. Typos ==

"Goofs" are mistakes TBC make; for the purposes of our discussion, ''Strong Sad'' made the mistakes on this page. '''We don't note mistakes Strong Bad makes in his emails as Goofs;''' rather, we note them in the Remarks. Since there were enough of Strong Sad's mistakes for a whole section, I changed it to "Typos". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:07, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:I'm not really the guy who would know the difference. I only made that change for two reasons:
:#"Typos" isn't one of the ways we categorize Fun Facts. [[HRWiki:Standards#Fun Facts|Goofs is]].
:#The Francis Scott Key fact is a Goof. I knew it wasn't a typo, so I changed the header to Goofs for lack of a better choice for that particular grouping.
:That being said, the Key fact is probably the only one of the four that are currently under that header that really is a Goof. The typos by Strong Sad should probably be moved to another section. Maybe Remarks?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:35, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Goofs may be our standard category, but '''we are flexible enough''' to accomodate a special category on a toon-by-toon basis. For example, [[50_emails#Homestar.27s_attempts_at_DELETED|Homestar's attempts at Deleted]]. I think these should be grouped together since there are several of them. How about "Strong Sad's Goofs", or "Strong Sad's Mistakes", or something similar? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:42, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::That's true, and we also have [[boring_%28really%29#Strong_Bad.27s_list_of_.5B.5BWikipedia:List_of_three-letter_English_words.7C3-letter_words.5D.5D|Strong Bad's List Of Three Letter Words]]. Since this is kind of a special case, I think Dot Com made the right call on THIS one, but as a rule, I think keeping to just the usual catagories would be best. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 22:23, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::Er, I'm confused. No one is suggesting ''not'' using the usual categories, as a rule. But when something falls ''outside'' the usual categories, which this does, we use a special category to accomodate it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:10, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Sorry for bringing this up again, but aren't all of the typos technically TBC's (unless obviously part of a joke)? And since when do typos get put in Remarks rather than Goofs? They shouldn't... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:19, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)

: I did a search for "typo", "misspells", "misspelled" and "misspelling". Of all cases where Strong Bad (or some other character) misspells something and it gets noted in a Fun Fact, and it's not obviously part of a joke, it's in Real-World References once ([[sb_email 22]], but not because of the misspelling—and I'm about to move that one to Explanations where it belongs), Remarks twice ([[Family Resemblence]], which has already been changed, and [[The Luau]]), and Goofs at least seven times ([[some kinda robot]], [[Homestar Quiz]], [[Bug in Mouth Disease]], [[the process]], [[morning routine]], [[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]], and [[bottom 10]]!) It's pretty much a standard to put them in Goofs now as far as I can see. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:35, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I think in general, if TBC make a mistake then it's a Goof, if TBC intentionally have one of their characters make a mistake, that's a Remark, but only if it's not completely obvious to someone watching the toon. For example, Strong Bad making a typo in an email is probably TBC's mistake (unless the typo is a joke, it depends on the context), but most mistakes in PbTC toons are Remarks. {{User:phlip/sig}} 04:54, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)

: My thoughts exactly. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:56, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== depressio111117 ==

Has anyone investigated to see if this is a screename maintained by TBC? Just curious. --[[User:Alcnolien|Alcnolien]]

I was wondering that myself! [[User:24.62.243.222|24.62.243.222]] 22:31, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I've added it to my buddy list. Anyone who also does so, let someone know if it's logged on to. --[[User:Alcnolien|Alcnolien]]

I've had it for quite a whiles now, and never has anyone logged into it. It is registered, so it's possible TBC registered it to prevent people from using it and then decided to never sign on with it. Same with other Characters that have shown a AIM/IM account name within toons, none of them has logged on in the past year as far as I can tell. -[[User:Mick|Mick]]

==Tagline Dates==

Are all of those taglines from 2004? I think that whoever added them in the first place, or whoever knows the correct year(s), should add them to the dates. If possible. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 22:27, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==.2 Homsar==

I think it's more likely Homsar is .6 of a person, and he checked it twice. :) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 00:31, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:Or he could be .4 of a person, and checked it thrice! ;) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

==Let the Good Times Role==
Strong Sads on a role this week.

Yeah whats with that twice in one week? [[User:Homestramy20|Homestramy20]] 23:38, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Thrice. Impressive. --[[User:Ookelaylay|Ookelaylay]] 19:24, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Whoa. It's like ThriceVille around here. I need to make up a theme song for that someday. [[User:70.59.187.173|70.59.187.173]]

== Transcript ==

Should we really have the transcript of every one of SS's entries on this page? It looks kind of cluttered and people can just go to the page itself. It's not like toons with sound, where someone might not be able to tell what they said.
:I've wondered this as well. It's not like we're transcribing something... just copy and paste. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:38, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)
::Also, this wiki is supposed to be a supplement to the actual site. Well, in the case of this page, I'd say it ''replaces'' the actual site. I believe this crosses the copyright-infringement line to a degree we should not be able to get away with. The final reference should always be at H*R.com, not here. (This is also why I don't think we should have the images from the [[Original Book]] and [[Where My Hat Is At?]] on the wiki. It's another case where we're completely duplicating something you should be able to see at the official site.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:44, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I agree with this, but is someone going to delete the transcript? Shall I? [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 04:46, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Due to the amount of time passed since I last asked, and the (seems to me) general agreement that a full transcript was not only unnecessary but legally shaky, I've gone ahead and deleted it. I hope I haven't offended anyone, and if you object, feel free to post an argument for its return here. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 21:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

== ...give me a hand?...or not. ==

I was just about to ask someone to give me a hand updating this page, because I don't have the general knowledge to fill in all the references, but I see tomstiff is already on the case. Thanks for the help!

== Bust of Bubo ==

In [[different town]], Strong Sad is going to a Clash Of The Titans convention. Strong Bad then requested a bust of Bubo. Tomstiff believes that he wanted to borrow the one Strong Sad already had; I got the impression that he wanted Strong Sad to bring something back ''from'' the convention. (Why bring this up here? It's mentioned in a Fun Fact for this article.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:20, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:I have always assumed that Strong Sad wanted to borrow Bubo to augment his costume. I can see exactly what you're saying, though! Hmmmm ... -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 19:26, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:: Can't be - Strong '''B'''ad asks for it from Strong '''S'''ad (or, more accurately, Strong Sad asks Strong Bad if he "still wants it" and Strong Bad says "yes.") --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:29, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:: I think I see where you're coming from now, and I admit that that option never really occurred to me. Still, I think (given Strong Bad's reaction and the wording of the question) that it makes more sense as Strong Sad bringing it back from the convention. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:36, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::While the souvenir idea never occured to me, I think you're probably right. I tweaked the wording just a little to reflect that. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:09, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Live Journal ==

I just found this on the Wikipedia Homestar Runner entry. Strong Sad has a Live Journal. It's at http://www.livejournal.com/users/strongsad/ It appears to be mostly a coply of SSL, which is why I mentioned it here. Does anybody think we ought to mention it? {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 05:52, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
:I think yes, as there are some interesting differences between the two. Try checking his profile too for some interesting related info... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::2nd. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 06:04, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Oh-kay, I added it as a fun fact. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} @ 07:54, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
::::I think it's pretty awesome. My guess that this was a forerunner to Strong Sad's Lament, a sort of test before they put it into the HR domain. Purely speculation, but reasonable. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::No, the first post says that somebody reading SSL turned him on to LiveJournal, and he decided to start one for greater visibility. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} @ 08:32, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::What? It also says that the Live Journal was made in 2002. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 12:29, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::::Yup. Exactly one day after the first entry on SSL. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} @ 06:54, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Upon close inspection, I think that [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Strong_Sad%27s_Lament&curid=946&diff=218816&oldid=218484 Tom may be right]. Maybe we better leave it out until we know more about it. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} @ 07:47, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
:Agreed. I just read it and while entertaining, it sounds like fanstuff. Besides the person spelled Coach Z's name with a hyphen. Who does that? —{{User:Mibluvr13/sig}} 14:01, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

==Fair Use?==

Due to the recent conversation and activity regarding Fan Costume Commentaries, Original Book, etc, all about overstepping fair use; does this page also fall in that category? In it's current state, I'm inclined to say yes. But I'd like a bit of further input. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 09:07, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
:Probably. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} @ 06:55, 20 December 2005 (UTC)
::Because you can already copy&paste the text in the lament, I wouldn't mind seeing this text here being removed. Although it really would take the heart out of this article... - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 14:13, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Apparently this conversation has already taken place [[#Transcript|a couple of sections above]]. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} @ 23:07, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

:And yet it's still left transcribed... I admit I was the one that originally did it. Perhaps downgrade it to just a list of Taglines, Avatars, Summaries of his posts, etc, and note in the article summary that it's purposfully left incomplete, and that a simple click of a link will get you to all the entries. I dunno, I think it's more legal the other way, but I like having it all here too. [[Talk:Thorax Corporation|Thorax Corp]] is having similar discussions. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:51, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

==Pallor O' Mine?==

Is it noteworthy that Strong Sad refers to his own pallor two years to the day after Coach Z does in [[impression]]? He doesn't say "deathly", which may scuttle it, but if you think it works... [[User:Nyperold|Nyperold]] 19:32, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Strong Sad's Lament

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[[Image:strong_sads_lament_screenshot.PNG|thumb|240px|Sweetheart, you can't buy the necessities of life with cookies.]]
'''Strong Sad's Lament''' (or '''Strong Sad's Litany of Crushed Hopes and Dreams''') is [[Strong Sad]]'s personal weblog. It originated in the email "[[website]]," when you could access it by clicking on the "F10" image at the bottom of [[Strong Bad's Website]].

In his lament he expresses his frustrations with life, complains about [[Strong Bad]]'s constant practical jokes, and describes his bizarre relationship with [[Homsar]]. It debuted on November 17th 2002, and within a week was on a two and a half month hiatus. On February 3rd, 2003, it started again, and for nearly a month was regularly updated. It then went on a 17 month hiatus until August 5, 2004, when Strong Sad remembered his password and began posting regularly until September 9, 2004. The blog then went on a third hiatus until another post appeared on August 17, 2005. Once again, it appears to be on hiatus because there has been no update since September 2005.

== Taglines ==
*Sep. 9, 2005: "Sweetheart, you can't buy the necessities of life with cookies."
**From ''[[IMDb:tt0099487|Edward Scissorhands]]''.
*Sep. 1, 2005: "The earth swarms with people who are not worth talking to."
**From [[Wikipedia:Voltaire|Voltaire]]
*Aug. 25, 2005: "Why am I here?"
**From ''[[IMDb:tt0139776|Fishing with John]].''
*Aug. 17, 2005: "We're just blowing through naptime"
**From ''[[IMDb:tt0367279|Arrested Development]]''.
*Aug. 26, 2004: "You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake."
**From ''[[IMDb:tt0137523|Fight Club]]''.
*Aug. 19, 2004: "THEY'RE ALL GONNA LAUGH AT YOU!"
**From ''[[IMDb:tt0074285|Carrie]]''.
*Aug. 12, 2004: "When you grow up, your heart dies."
**From ''[[IMDb:tt0088847|The Breakfast Club]]''.
*Aug. 7, 2004: "Everybody dies frustrated and sad, and that is beautiful"
**From ''[[TMBW:Lyrics:Don't Let's Start|Don't Let's Start]]'' by [[They Might Be Giants]].
*Prior to Aug. 7: "Dancin-a with myseh-helf wah wah wah-o."
**From ''[http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005UOXL/ Dancing With Myself]'' by [[Wikipedia:Billy Idol|Billy Idol]].
*Dec. 11, 2002: "Oh Oh, Lonesome Me."
**From ''[http://www.lyricsfreak.com/r/roy-orbison/119294.html Lonesome Me]'' by [[Wikipedia:Don Gibson|Don Gibson]].

== Avatars ==
{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! Image !! Date !! Description
|-
| [[Image:moll.jpg]] || 9/09/2005 || [[Wikipedia:Richard Moll|Richard Moll]] as Nostradamus "Bull" Shannon from ''[[Wikipedia:Night Court|Night Court]]''
|-
| [[Image:bubo.jpg]] || 09/01/2005 || "Bubo" the clockwork owl featured in the film ''[[imdb:0082186|Clash of the Titans]]''.
|-
|[[Image:jim.jpg]] || 08/25/2005 || Director [[Wikipedia:Jim Jarmusch|Jim Jarmusch]]
|-
|[[Image:strongsadblog_vince.jpg]] || 08/17/2005 || Jazz musician [[Wikipedia:Vince_Guaraldi|Vince Guaraldi]]
|-
| [[Image:douglas.jpg]] || 09/09/2004 || English author [[Wikipedia:Douglas Adams|Douglas Adams]]
|-
| [[Image:strongsadblog_neil.jpg]] || 08/26/2004 || [[Wikipedia:Nigel Planer|Nigel Planer]] as Neil from [[Wikipedia:The Young Ones (TV series)|The Young Ones]]
|-
| [[Image:strongsadblog_radar.jpg|Radar avatar]] || 08/19/2004 || [[Wikipedia:Corporal Walter (Radar) O'Reilly|Corporal Walter (Radar) O'Reilly]] from the hit TV series [[Wikipedia:M*A*S*H (TV series)|M*A*S*H]] (originally from the [[Wikipedia:M*A*S*H (movie)|movie]] of the same name)
|-
| [[Image:strongsadblog_lydia.jpg|Lydia avatar]] || 08/12/2004 || Lydia from [[imdb:tt0096543|the cartoon adaptation]] of the film [[Wikipedia:Beetlejuice|Beetlejuice]]
|-
| [[Image:strongsadblog_nosferatu.jpg|Nosferatu avatar]] || Unknown || [[Wikipedia:Count_Orlok|Graf "Count" Orlok]] from the silent movie [[Wikipedia:Nosferatu|Nosferatu]]
|-
| [[Image:tear.gif|Morpheus avatar]] || Unknown || [[Wikipedia:Dream (DC Comics)|Morpheus]], or Dream of the Endless, from the ''[[Wikipedia:The Sandman (DC Comics Modern Age)|The Sandman]]'' series of comics by [[Wikipedia:Neil Gaiman|Neil Gaiman]]
|-
| [[Image:strongsadblog_wilde.png|Oscar Wilde avatar]] || 03/13/2003 || Irish author [[Wikipedia:Oscar Wilde|Oscar Wilde]]
|-
| [[Image:strongsadblog_poe.png]] || 12/11/2002 || Caricature of American writer [[Wikipedia:Edgar Allan Poe|Edgar Allan Poe]]
|}

== Fun Facts ==
=== Trivia ===
*'Morpheus' will have a drop of blood that comes out of his eye, much like a tear.

*Here is Strong Sad's user profile:
<blockquote>Name: Strong Sad 
Email: depressio@homestarrunner.com 
AOL IM: depressio111117 
Quote: "Each day we die a little more." 
Interests: Listening, Books, Listening to books, Calligraphy, Poetry, Safety, Being alone, Arts, Crafts, Arts b/w Crafts 
Friends: [[The Secrets That I Keep|None]]</blockquote>

*Every alternate text (for links) is "Header."
*His emotions are...
**stereotyped and classified
**stalwart
**the frig?
**still alive
**zonked.
**whimsically whistful
**more humbled than usual
**brissly
**smarmy
**torn
**whistful - in [[virus]]
**wry - in [[virus]]
**bourgeoise - in [[virus]]
**getting frustrated - in [[virus]]
**o' what a night - in [[virus]]
**self pitying
**meh
**rotten inside
**sebaceous
**devoid
**slight
**less reticent
**reticent

*For a short while on August 12th, 2004, heading to the [[Index Page]] would instead bring up Strong Sad's blog; this blocked all access to the site for a short period of time, with the only way to reach the site being to sneak through the [[404'd]] pages.

*You can click on the following links:
**In Strong Sad's user profile, you can click "none" after "friends" to see what [[The Secrets That I Keep|secret fond memories]] Strong Sad has.
**In archives 1, click on "That guy" to hear a clip of Homsar saying "When can we start [[Wikipedia:The Jeffersons|the Jeffersons]]?"
**In archives 2, click on "this" to see a short Powered by The Cheat clip of hearts being crushed on a conveyor belt, with the grim reaper in the background.
**In current, click on "[[Sticky Notes|Post-its]]" to see an article about the invention of Post-its. (Link currently broken).
**In current, click on "this" to see Homsar's party invite.
**In current, click on "Saddy Dumpington" to see a picture of [[Saddy Dumpington]].

*Strong Sad's e-vite reads:
:'''Page title:''' PARSON BROWN PRESENTS!!
<blockquote>'''''You're invited to an:''''' 
'''I'm Creepin & I'm Creepin & I'm Creepin Party!!'''
----
''Hosted By:'' '''Homsar''' 
''Where:'' '''Almost There''' 
''When:'' '''Friday March 14th - from '93 til...'''

''Comments:'' 
'''Please come to my mega mix.'''

'''Bring Dips. Chips will be provided.'''

'''Bonfire. Social Graces. Late Night JengaJam.'''

'''4 live bands. 2 on the main stage, 2 on the Nokia SugarPhone SideShow Stage. Live acts TBA*'''

<nowiki>*</nowiki>Most (all) of the live acts will be to hug a tree.</blockquote>

===Remarks===
*Strong Sad says he can't jump, despite jumping in [[Experimental Film]], [[boring (really)]], doing two lousy jumping jacks in [[A Jumping Jack Contest]], and one jumping jack the year before. He may be implying that he's no good at jumping. This may also be a reference to his "elephant feet" since elephants do not have the ability to jump.
*There was never a "Mr. Mom Original Movie Soundtrack."
*Strong Sad does have Homsar as a friend, despite claiming to have no firends in his profile.
*"History Lesson Part II" employs a large number of Strong Bad mannerisms, such as
::* calling Johnny Appleseed a hippie and a "freakin' weirdo"
::* calling Strong Sad "Saddy Dumpington"
::* using the [[funny|squeaky pants]] sound effect (in reference to the washboard)
::* growing tired/annoyed with the original subject and switching to a different subject at the very end
:This strongly suggests that the entry's author was actually Strong Bad, particularly since Strong Sad posted his password a few entries previous. However, in [[A Folky Tale]], Strong Sad claims that [[Saddy Dumpington]] is a "legendary folk hero I made up". There are several possible solutions to this apparent contradiction:
::* Strong Sad actually has some latent Strong Bad mannerisms that he only expresses through writing. It's quite common in the real world for mild-mannered people to adopt a very aggressive and hateful tone in their weblogs.
::::*As well, Strong Sad may also use similar mannerisms as his brother regularly, as seen at the end of [[different town]] where he calls Strong Bad "Spaz" and "Weirdo".
::* Strong Sad deliberately wrote the entry using Strong Bad's mannerisms.
::* Saddy Dumpington was originally Strong Sad's invention, and Strong Bad made fun of it.
::* Saddy Dumpington was Strong Bad's invention, and Strong Sad liked it so much he claimed it as his own.
::*The original drawing of Saddy is actually signed ''SS'' in the cursive writing only Strong Sad can create, further adding to the mystery.
* In "Post-it on my face", Strong Sad says he wakes up with a post-it note on his head from Strong Bad. He then says "He thinks he is very awesome and also likes Post-its a lot." This is proven in [[Biz Cas Fri 2]] when Strong Bad is putting post-it notes everywhere and claiming they could save the company millions.
* On Homsar's invitation, "from '93 til' ..." is most likely referencing the Souls of Mischief's album '93 'til Infinity.
*If Strong Sad really did count 1310720 pixels in 6 hours, he'd have counted approximately 60 pixels a second.
*The first entry was posted at 10:15 am, but Strong Sad said his weblog's "life" lasted from 12:05-12:15. Strong Sad may have entered the wrong time, or the server the blog is on is in a different time zone.

===Strong Sad's Mistakes===
*Strong Sad made a typo in the "Post-it on my face" entry. He writes "If I type real '''quite,''' maybe he won't come in here," instead of '''quiet.'''
*He also makes a typo in the entry titled "A New Beginning of the End," where he misspells "unfortunately" as "unforuntately."
*Strong Sad has a third typo in the entry "A New Year, A New You"; He misspells "remembered" as "remebered."
*In History Lesson, Part II, Strong Sad says that [[Wikipedia:Francis Scott Key|Francis Scott Key]] knew how to party orchestrally. However, Key only wrote the words to [[Wikipedia:The Star Spangled Banner|"The Star Spangled Banner"]] as a poem; it was later put to the music of an old English drinking song.
*In A Curious Email, Strong Sad typed "worthwhile" as two words ("worth while").
*In the entry discussing Homsar's party, Strong Sad says that Homsar called the chips "hot wings" but in Homsar's e-vite, he calls them chips.
**However, this was what Homsar said at the previous party. There is no direct mention of the details on the recent invitation in the blog, so it's possible that Homsar got it right this time around.
*Lukewarm water is not quite warm, but not quite cool. If you leave a glass of lukewarm water out too long, unless there is an incredible heat wave the water will become ''cool'', not warm.

===Inside References===
*Strong Sad says "Each day we die a little more" on the [[Spin 'n Say]].
*Homsar first said "JengaJam" in [[Where's The Cheat?]]
*In [[different town]], Strong Bad wants Strong Sad to bring him back a bust of Bubo from The Clash of the Titans Con.
*Homestar mentions "''Night Court'' starring Richard Moll" in [[car]].
*"Arts b/w Crafts" is another instance of [[b/w]].

=== Real-World References ===

*[[Wikipedia:Gregor Mendel|Gregor Mendel]] is known as "the father of genetics."

*3.14 are the first 3 digits of [[Wikipedia:Pi|pi]], and it is mentioned twice.
**Strong Sad remembered his password at 3:14 PM.
**Homsar's e-vite is on March 14, or 3-14. March 14 is also [[Wikipedia:Pi Day|Pi Day]].

*The title of the 8/26/04 entry, "History Lesson Part II," is also the title of a song by the Minutemen (from 1984's ''Double Nickels on the Dime'' LP).

*In "From out of the darkness", "Rock me like an e-Hurricane" is a reference to the song "Rock You Like a Hurricane," by The Scorpions.

*"Parson Brown" is a character in the Christmas song [http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/billygilman/winterwonderland.html "Winter Wonderland"] by Felix Bernard and Dick Smith.

*The cellular phone company [[Wikipedia:Nokia|Nokia]] is the title sponsor of the [[Wikipedia:Sugar Bowl|Sugar Bowl]].

*"I'm creepin' and I'm creepin'" is a line from [[Wikipedia:Dr. Dre|Dr. Dre]] and [[Wikipedia:Snoop Dogg|Snoop Dogg's]] [http://lyrics.duble.com/lyrics/D/drdre-lyrics/drdre-nuthin-but-a--g--thang-lyrics.htm "Nuthin' But a "G" Thang."]

*"Pallor if ya hear meh!" is a reference to wrestler [[Wikipedia:Scott Rechsteiner|Scott Steiner's]] catchphrase, "Holla if ya hear me."

*"[http://www.raytechcatalog.com/product_info/wet-naps-pack-of-3-177.html Wet Naps]" are a brand of [[Wikipedia:Moist towelette|moist towelettes]].

*Godspeed You Black Emperor is a band that is known for writing songs that are similar in length to symphonic pieces. Each song is divided into "movements," which would explain why Strong Sad can't tell where they begin and end.

*Strong Sad feeling "stereotyped and classified" is a reference to the song "[http://www.seeklyrics.com/lyrics/Descendents/Suburban-Home.html Suburban Home]" by the Descendents, which starts with, "I want to be stereotyped. I want to be classified."

*A [[Wikipedia:George Foreman Grill|George Foreman Grill]] is an indoor grill promoted by boxing legend [[Wikipedia:George Foreman|George Foreman]].

===Fast Forward===
* In [[virus]], [[The Virus]] caused Strong Sad to have emoticon heads with descriptions.
* In [[A Folky Tale]], Saddy Dumpington makes an appearance.

== External Links ==
*[[HR:sadjournal/index.html|read "Strong Sad's Lament"]]

[[Category: Character Websites]]

Talk:Main Page

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Talk:Sketchbook

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== Museum Sketchbook ==

Would it be OK if someone moved the bottom section of this page to something like [[Sketchbook (Museum)]]? This page takes far too long to load on a dial-up internet connection. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 06:24, 9th of March 2005

:Hmm, I like keeping the museum ones here on the [[Sketchbook]] page, and instead moving the weekly sketchbook ones to a [[Weekly Sketchbook]] page. This would match our [[Weekly Fanstuff]] page. Any one else agree?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:20, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

::Actually, I like that idea, better than my own as well. Weekly Sketchbook matches the rest of the weekly updates, and is probably easier to change the links for. The only reason I suggested Sketchbook (Museum) was because I thought less pages linked/would link to it. But Weekly Sketchbook sounds great. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 18:08, 9 Mar 2005 (GMT)

:::Done, see [[Weekly Sketchbook]]. I fixed all the links as well.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:48, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

''Note: The following is a copy/paste from the old Talk page''
Just a quick question. Who's gonna keep up with updating stuff like this? I know we're all busy with simply moving crap from there to here, but I dunne wanna lose anything that could be added, ya know? I'd update it myself, but I do most my wikistuff at work, so I can't make screenshots at all. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:15, 19 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Yeah, I can do that tonight. I think I'll come up with a better format too. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:30, 19 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Guh-roovay. The current one is kinda stinky anywho. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 16:00, 19 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Fun facts? ==

Is there room for a fun facts section on this page? The Tetherball'd TTGS death is a possible reference to the first season of South Park, when Kenny died in the exact same way. --[[User:Southpaw018|Southpaw018]] 18:46, 11 Nov 2004 (MST)

If there is, I vote Decline -[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]] 10:20, 23 Nov 2004 (MST)
:Second'd this is extremly long already. But you can make a different aritcle and THEN put the link onto here. [[User:Sbmaniac|Sbmaniac]]

== "Tableization" ==

I'm glad there's finally a table for this section (as well as the weekly fanstuff.) The images being different sizes before the tables wasn't a necessarily a bad thing, I just thought it detracted from the page slightly. The use of tables did force those images that were on other sites (namely photobucket) to be uploaded to the wiki, which is a plus. I think must of us can agree that it looks better than before.
--[[User:The Paper|Teh P.]] 22:19, 11 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Comic-Book Style The Cheat==

With the introduction of the tables, I'm glad this image finally surfaced. I almost lost hope in that image ever being recovered, as it was the only image that I thought was never POSTERITY'd!! Due credit to [[User:Tom|Tom]].
--[[User:The Paper|Teh P.]] 22:19, 11 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Message to [[TBC]] from [[Jonathan Howe]] ==

Be sure to view the XML source of this file:
[http://www.homestarrunner.com/weeklies/weeklies.xml]

:I learned about this XML file when I was poking through these flash files: [http://www.homestarrunner.com/fanstuff.swf] & [http://www.homestarrunner.com/sketchbook.swf] when I found I couldn't view the image or the text when those two preceding files are saved remotely (i.e., on a hard drive.) '''Jonathan''' (I assume his last name is Howe, as he is a programmer) has left a message in a comment to the "'''Chapos'''" about the placement of certain "character shortcuts." He more or less 'signs' the comment with the words "Love, jonathan." I just found this rather amusing. Does anyone else? --[[User:The Paper|The Paper]] 20:37, 2 Dec 2004 (MST)

:Hmmm... Tricky. I like the base files though. Those can come in handy... [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 12:12, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)

== Halloween Costumes ==

If anyone can identify some of those halloween costumes from the museum sketchbook, (the last sketch), feel free to enter their names into the rollover title at the appropriate place saver. I can't really think of anything better at the moment, maybe I'll add them to the [[Halloween Costumes]] section or something later. Thanks. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 12:12, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)

== Images with Subtitles ==

Shouldn't the images for the Sketchbook and Fanstuff ''not'' have the captions with them? If not, the "Title" column is pretty much useless. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 21:24, 17 Feb 2005 (MST)

It does seem redundant. It is easier to remove the "title" column, but then that text can not be found during a search. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 23:14, 17 Feb 2005 (MST)

:Since the very beginning, we've always treated the text and image as one. That's how they appear, so that's how we've been reproducing them. And the additional text is for better searching. I do notice, however, that the [[Sketchbook]] article lacks the interesting descriptions the [[Weekly Fanstuff]] page affords.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:57, 19 Feb 2005 (MST)

==Moving the page==

Shouldn't this still be under simply a 'Sketchbook' page title? Perhaps it would make more sense to move The Museum Sketchbook to just that, a 'Museum Sketchbook' page or something. I mean, when you roll over the button on the main page, all that pops up under it is just 'Sketchbook'. We're not going to change the name of 'Quote of the Week' to just 'Weekly Quote' are we? (Sorry I missed the discussion on the [[Sketchbook]] page) [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 15:31, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Er, good point. So you're thinking we should move Weekly Sketchbook --> Sketchbook and Sketchbook --> Museum Sketchbook. That makes sense to me, but then again so did moving the weekly sketchbook section to this page. What do you think?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:01, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)
::I second Tom--[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 12:34, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)

:::Yup. I appreciate the work you went to fixing all the links, and don't like to ask you to change them back, but it really makes sense to keep the names the website came up with. I third Tom. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 14:17, 13 Mar 2005 (MST)

::::Fourth'd! </tgs> -- [[User:nintendorulez|nintendorulez]] 14:51, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)

:::::Okay, then unless anyone else wants to do it, or objects in the next few days, I'm gonna do the move. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 19:41, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

::::::It should be easy, since I went through and made sure all the links were correct for the first move. I would change all the "Sketchbook" links to "Museum Sketchbook" first, then move "Sketchbook" to "Museum Sketchbook". This will create a redirect at "Sketchbook" so you can move "Weekly Sketchbook" to "Sketchbook". Then when you change the "Weekly Sketchbook" links to "Sketchbook", it will be a bit easier. If you need any help, just ask.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:29, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)

== Sketch Descriptions? ==

Should we add descriptions to the sketches, like we did with the [[Weekly Fanstuff]]? Some people might have no idea what the sketches are of.--[[User:Lord Pikachon|The guy who's name you probably know]]

:It would be nice to have some links on some of the more obscure sketches (like Mashed Potato Jones or the Balding Man). <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 19:12, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)

Okay, me, Trogga, and Homestar Coder have begun working on descriptions.--[[User:Lord Pikachon|Lord Pikachon]]

== Pawn of a hat? ==
I don't wat to start an edit war, but I just don't see [[Strong Sad]] as a game pawn in [[Image:problematics.PNG|this picture]]. I see it as Strong Sad's head shooting out of a magic hat. [[User:E.L. Cool|E.L. Cool]] 18:23, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:I see Strong Sad's head on a game pawn, and I definately don't see it coming out of a hat. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 18:26, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::Me as well -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 18:26, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::I see what hes talking about. {{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}}

::::I really wish I could find a picture on the internet, but it looks to me like SS is one of those toys that little kids play with. They're basically just comprised of a cylinder and a head. I don't know what they're called though. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 19:01, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

:::::Ooh, I know just the things. I think my grandmother still has 'em. I'll see if I can get a pic. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::::::I found [http://www.andertoons.com/images/blog/LittlePeople.jpg a picture]...anyone else think that's what the sketch of SS is? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 19:08, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

:::::::Yes, exactly! That's just what I was thinking, and have been since it was put up. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::::::::Does anyone know what they're called? (is it "Little People"?) I think we should probably mention this on the page. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 19:18, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::I had those as a kid, and I recall them being called "Little People". {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:24, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::They're Playschool Little People, I think. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::::::::::[http://www.fisher-price.com/US/littlepeople/default_flash.asp Fisher-Price], actually. And they're no longer in that classic design. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:27, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::::Add'd. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 19:31, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

==Computer Sketch==

Can somebody read that floppy to the right of Homestar on the Comp? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 23:40, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:Or can anybody read Basic? Does the summary mean anything in particular? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 17:42, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)
::Or know what brand of computer that is? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 17:46, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:::Just looked up the basic, " 160 vlin 12, 17 at 26". 160 is the line number of the command. It means draw a vertical line from y-coordinate 12 to y-coordinate 17 at x-coordinate 26. That compy looks like an Apple II to me (and I found the "vlin" thing on an Apple II page). {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 17:47, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

::::I've seen that PC before... Isn't that the one from [[Peasant's Quest Preview]]? Or is it the one from [[Puppet Time]]? --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 18:55, 7 October 2005 (BST)
:::::Okay, I updated the page with the info Coder found. And if anybody could zoom in and read that floppy or anything, that would be awsome. And after careful cross-scruiteny, it appears that the computer used in the Sketchbook is indeed the same used by the [[Videlectrix]] people, even on the same desk. The one difference is that the logo on the keyboard (I think it was the Apple logo) is strangely absent from the [[Videlectrix]] photo. Most likely to avoid any possible legal problems and simplify it up, since they were photoshopping the [[Peasant's Quest]] image onto the screen anyways. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:43, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== Consistency in dates ==

I just noticed that the date abbreviations in this page are not consistent. In general I have seen pages use 3 letter abbreviations. This is the case for most months here except: Sept, June (listed as both June and Jun) and April (also listed as Apr). I suggest that we make them all be 3 character abbreviations no more. Sounds good? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 23:15, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
:Well since there was no mention either way i'm gonna go ahead and do it. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 06:45, 21 November 2005 (UTC)

== Mixed-up pictures ==

There's something wrong with my computer or something like that. In the Sketchbook window, I see the words "homestar ice crusher", but from there up it's the old picture of Strong Mad holding his mystical orbs. [http://img83.imageshack.us/img83/9644/sketchbookmessedup3wr.png 1] You guys are pretty computer-savvy, anyone know what's wrong? And if not, please don't blame me. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 09:00, 24 December 2006 (EST). Well, it's actually 12:05 on January 27, 2006.
:A lot of users have been commenting on similar mysterious problems, and it likely surrounds your page cache and what cached version of what your browser is loading. In this case it's loading a recent .xml with an old picture. Try clearning your cache to see if that does the trick. I think that's what the other users recommend, and pretty much the only thing that would solve it. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 06:13, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

== none shall pass! ==

None shall pass! for a minute there i thought it read, YOU SHALL NOT PASS! for lord of the rings: the fellowship of the ring?

[[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 10:22, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

:I actually was thinking Monty Python and the Holy grail when I say that. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:06, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
:: I agree with Inivsible Robot Fish. [[USer:Sbmaniac|Sbmaniac]]

== Commas vs. Periods ==

I'll grant that commas and periods are barely distinguishable from each other in the caption font. But you can tell the difference by looking very closely. Commas have the smallest tail imaginable. Compare:

[http://www.hrwiki.org/images/e/e9/20060119_sketchbook_orbs_up_yo.PNG orbs up, yo] 
[http://www.hrwiki.org/images/7/79/20060209_sketchbook_nice_inking_mike.PNG nice inking, mike] 
[http://www.hrwiki.org/images/8/81/20060216_sketchbook_none_shall_pass_eww.PNG none shall pass! eww.]

If you cannot see a slight dip (just a pixel or two) in the comma images, copy all three of them to MS Paint (or whatever), zoom in, and compare the commas and periods. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 03:53, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

== poopertrooper? ==

On the page, it says "poopertrooper" is a reference to Super Troopers. I think it's more likely it's a refernce to pooper scoopers. -[[User:Exhibit A|Exhibit A]] 23:39, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
:I thought of "pooper scooper" when I first saw it. Super Troopers, to me, seems a lot more unlikely. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:06, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

[[IMDB:tt0247745|Super Troopers]] is a movie about state troopers, who's uniform is nowhere near to what the poopsmith wears. In science fiction, stromtroopers dress in a similar way to The Poopsmith. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 14:34, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
:There is no way storm troopers has any relevance here. Poopertrooper - pooper scooper is just as good as poopertrooper to super troopers. one has the same root of pooper, the other has same ending of trooper, storm trooper is just not even close and they don't look anything alike. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 14:37, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

:I thought it sounded like Koopa Troopas. - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 23:55, 17 March 2006(UTC)

::That seems like way too much of a stretch. If they wanted to reference Koopa Troopas, it probably would have said "Poopa Troopas". [[User:Exhibit A|Exhibit A]] 02:17, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

:Don't get mad, I wasn't the one that edited it into the article. I only said what I thought it was at first, I wasn't like "0MG J00 5UX0R L4M0 L0L I7 I5N7 UB3R P00P3R SC00P3R I7 K00P4 7R00P4!!!!!!!!111111!!!11!!!11!!!!!!!!!!1!!!!!!!!111one" - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 02:36, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
:: Chill out, I wasn't mad, I was just commenting that it seemed like too much of a stretch. [[User:Exhibit A|Exhibit A]] 20:49, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

Now I'M mad that people keep changing the article cos they think my idea was right, it wasn't even an idea! - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 00:52, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

I vote Super Troopers. Its about police. The stormtrooper Poopsmith is obviously a form of police. Referencing pooperscoopers makes *no* contextual sense. I'm changing it back. [[User:Piscez]]

:Here's what bugs me. When you say, "this '''is''' a reference to..." you are stating something is fact. In this case, we all have our opinions, and each think ours are correct. The fact '''is''' that none of were there when TBC sketched this out and don't have a flippin' clue what they were refering to. Therefore, I propose the following revision:
==== Pooper Trooper Scooper Dooper Blooper ====
Sketches of [[The Poopsmith]] as a trooper, for [[disconnected]]. The caption could be a reference to the device [[Wikipedia:pooper-scooper|pooper-scoopers]], the movie [[Wikipedia:Super_Troopers|Super Troopers]], the [[wikipedia:Mario|Super Mario Brothers']] [[Wikipedia:Koopa|Koopa Troopas]], or the [[wikipedia:George_Lucas|George Lucas']] [[Wikipedia:Stormtroopers|stormtroopers]].

{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:44, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

In general, users here seem to think "refers to" means "resembles". IRF is right; only TBC know for sure about what's a reference. Some are obvious, but I'm sure there are a lot of references we'll never get. And then there are a lot of things that resemble other things but TBC never were trying to refer to that thing. I think as a knowledge base we need to be a bit more conservative in how we decide references. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 12:50, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

''Stormtroopers'' seems the most obvious reference. Not the George Lucas kind, but rather the Hitler/Orwell kind. (Those of you who are still somewhat whippersnapperesque should be aware that the term predated ''Star Wars'' by a great many years.) Most of the other suggested references seem to be simple attempts to match up same or similar sounding words, rather than considering the actual ''context''. {{User:Bill/sig}} 17:03, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

:Storm troopers is what I was saying all along. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

ok then ''Sketches of [[The Poopsmith]] as a trooper, for [[disconnected]]. The caption could be a reference to the device [[Wikipedia:pooper-scooper|pooper-scoopers]], the movie [[Wikipedia:Super_Troopers|Super Troopers]], the [[wikipedia:Mario|Super Mario Brothers']] [[Wikipedia:Koopa|Koopa Troopas]], or [[Wikipedia:Stormtroopers|stormtroopers]] (from [[wikipedia:World_War_I|WWI]]).''

either way, its still spec at best, and in response to Bill, the usage of pooper cannot be ignored why else would TBC go from The Poopsmith to pooper if not trying to make a ryhme such as Super Trooper or refer to the legendary pooper scooper. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 17:48, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
:For the rhyme, perhaps. Just because the rhyme is funny. Doesn't have to be a reference to pooper or super. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 17:54, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

My two cents: Pooper Scooper and Stormtrooper are both meaningful enough to be included. "Super Trooper" and "Koopa Troopa" are both based on "Stormtrooper" and, thus, unnecessary. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:05, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Ahem. I would Like to add at this point that the Koopa Troopas were the second most common enemies (next to goombas) in the original Super Mario Bros., which came out BEFORE Star Wars: A New Hope. So if anything, Stormtroopers are based off of Koopa Troopas. (Very, very unlikely.) --{{User:The very strongest}} 12:35, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

:See my retraction above, storm troopers is a term that refers to certain soldiers at the end of WWI, which is pre-television. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 21:28, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I like your idea, I R F, I vote that we go with that one. - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 04:36, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, the opinions are vast so I think a good'ol vote is in order

'''version 1''' ''current version'' 
Sketches of [[The Poopsmith]] as a trooper, for [[disconnected]]. The caption is a reference to [[Wikipedia:pooper-scooper|pooper-scoopers]].
#
'''version 2''' ''the loaded version'' 
Sketches of [[The Poopsmith]] as a trooper, for [[disconnected]]. The caption could be a reference to the device [[Wikipedia:pooper-scooper|pooper-scoopers]], the movie [[Wikipedia:Super_Troopers|Super Troopers]], the [[wikipedia:Mario|Super Mario Brothers']] [[Wikipedia:Koopa|Koopa Troopas]], or [[Wikipedia:Stormtroopers|stormtroopers]] (from [[wikipedia:World_War_I|WWI]]).''
#
'''version 3''' ''the bare version'' 
Sketches of [[The Poopsmith]] as a trooper, for [[disconnected]].
#
'''version 4''' ''combination (please specify which items qualify as a reference)'' 
#

== Super Suudsu Me ==

Feels like the 5-month-old suudsu is a reference to the French fry aging experiment in [[Wikipedia:Super Size Me|Super Size Me]]. But I haven't seen the film, so I don't know how direct the connection is. Anyone want to do a little fact-checking here? --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 17:54, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
:I haven't seen it either, but the fact that this was posted five months to the day after [[bedtime story]] was released says to me that nobody actually ''drank'' the suudsu or dumped it out, and it's just been sitting there. It actually reminds me of the old clichè of the guy with the extremely dirty bedroom finally trying to clean it up and pulling out a half-eaten sandwich or burrito from under the bed and exclaiming "So ''that's'' what happened to my sandwich [burrito]." And by then it's covered with mold and he's got to shoo a [[Gavin|roach]] or two away from it before he touches it. The only specific example I can think of right now is from [[Wikipedia:Even Stevens]] (the episode where a haz mat team is needed to clean Louis's room and he has to sleep in Donnie's room. No, I don't watch the Disney channel anymore, but my younger sbblings frequently leave the TV on when they're not watching it and my ADD brain will be distracted by ut. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 20:40, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

== suudsu sketch? ==

Is it noteworthy that this is only the 2nd time that the sketch isn't a sketch but a photograph?
{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:46, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
:Th' last photo was sort of a sketch. Just a computer-generated one. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::This would be the first Sketchbook item which cannot really be called a sketch. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:58, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
::Sketch: [http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Sketch Dictionary.com], [[Wiktionary:Sketch|Wikitionary]], [[Wikipedia:Sketch|Wikipedia]] [[User:Beep|Beep]] 22:20, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

== Missy's The Cheat ==

Hmm... an upcoming Marzipan-drawn episode?? Probably not, but if it happens, you read it here first! {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 23:00, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
*It looks like a Dr. Seuss character. Like it's got a lion head and tail, but with a penguin body. I think it's kinda cute though! -[[User:Compdude|Compdude]]
*I think it looks like an Easter egg with a lion's mane, beady eyes, and a tail. Very nice, though. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 19:31, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
*You just know that in another six months they're going to turn that into a guest character. [[User:68.104.201.53|68.104.201.53]] 06:55, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

==Female Coach Z?==

It says that's some kind of female coaz Z with a 3 instead of a Z is in this week's sketchbook... But it's clearly Homeschool winner's symbol! And I guess this means this is an alternate verion of Coach Z who'll never be used...
:Not sure about the HW connection - his symbol is a speech balloon. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:04, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
::While I'm not entirely sure it's a female (I was edit-conflicted on putting it up, and my description just said "long-haired"), I can safely say that's a three. Dunno where you're getting the Homeschool Winner thing from. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::I can see from where he got the Homeschool idea from. The space between the 3 and the circle looks like Homeschool's word bubble upside down. But it says 3 on the caption iself, so no argue there. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:13, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

==Numba zero==

I removed the Gilbert Arenas reference from last week's sketch description because there's no proof that it is. There have been plenty of players in the NBA who've worn number 0, and it can't be more than coincidence. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 02:35, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

==Sample of Style==

Anyone else notice a simularity between the styles of Numba 0 Strong Sad and Droolstar Runner? They're both in a new sketchy style with lots of detail and shadow as if they were draw at the same time or for the same purpose. Not only that they're also both in a very school-type setting. Granted Homestar could be asleep anywhere, and Strong Sad could be playing professional basketball but I seriously doubt thats the case. My question is, do you guys think this is a sign of toons to come?
*Hmm, maybe! They could be getting more into chiaroscuro shading, like SS's dragon.[[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]

Tire

2006-05-30T06:42:00Z

Trelawney: changing tense again

[[Image:tire.png|thumb|Population: Tire]]

The '''Tire''' forms the complete population of [[Strong Badia]], and was the "indigenous peoples" before the land was colonized by [[Strong Bad]]. Due to its status as the entire population of Strong Badia, it has earned a place on the country's flag and [[Strong Badia National Anthem|anthem]], and even stars in two [[Games|games]]. Strong Bad has a strong affinity for the Tire and feels a need to protect it, to the point where he installed a security system around it. To date, the system (which is composed of a touch-activated electrical charge and the [[Bear holding a Shark]]) has kept [[The Cheat]] from touching the Tire.

The Tire has been utilized for purely commercial ends. It was featured in [[Senorial Day]] with the words "LOW SAV[[Lowercase i's|i]]NGS" painted on its sidewall for the "Bubsotathon" advertisement. And, for the purposes of promoting [[Strong Bad's Mount RidesPlace USA]] in [[theme park]], The Tire is [[Wikipedia:Anthropomorphism|anthropomorphized]] into Poppy the Tire, one of the [[Mount RidesPlace USA Mascots]].

The Tire was employed as a [[Wikipedia:Weather forecasting|weatherman]] on [[Strong Badia Action Cool News 5|Strong Badia's local newscast]]. He also played as Ted Averill, the [[The Strong Badian Administration of Some Aluminum Foil|SBASAF]]'s ground flight engineer.

In 2003, Strong Bad speculated that the Tire would win "the title" from [[Strong Mad]] in September of 2005. And, though the sport for which "the title" was to be contested is undetermined, the loss of "the title" would lead to a revengeful rematch between Strong Mad and the Tire dubbed "TireMadness." There is little evidence to show that this actually occurred in September 2005.

== Complete Filmography ==
*'''Debut:''' Email [[i rule]]
*[[Where's The Cheat?]]
*Email [[flag day]]
*Email [[ghosts]]
*[[Awexome Cross]], originally in [[monster truck]]
*Email [[date]]
*[[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]]
*Email [[2 years]]
*Email [[local news]]
*Email [[colonization]]
*Email [[monument]]
*Email [[theme park]] (represented by [[Homestar Runner]] as [[Mount RidesPlace USA Mascots|Poppy the Tire]])
*Email [[other days]]
*Email [[pizzaz]]
*Email [[animal]]
*[[Population: Tire]]
*[[Senorial Day]]
*Email [[bottom 10]]
*Email [[space program]]
*Email [[pop-up]]

[[Category:Pseudocharacters]] [[Category:Strong Badia]]

Tire

2006-05-30T06:41:24Z

Trelawney: changing tense

[[Image:tire.png|thumb|Population: Tire]]

The '''Tire''' forms the complete population of [[Strong Badia]], and was the "indigenous peoples" before the land was colonized by [[Strong Bad]]. Due to its status as the entire population of Strong Badia, it has earned a place on the country's flag and [[Strong Badia National Anthem|anthem]], and even stars in two [[Games|games]]. Strong Bad has a strong affinity for the Tire and feels a need to protect it, to the point where he installed a security system around it. To date, the system (which is composed of a touch-activated electrical charge and the [[Bear holding a Shark]]) has kept [[The Cheat]] from touching the Tire.

The Tire has been utilized for purely commercial ends. It was featured in [[Senorial Day]] with the words "LOW SAV[[Lowercase i's|i]]NGS" painted on its sidewall for the "Bubsotathon" advertisement. And, for the purposes of promoting [[Strong Bad's Mount RidesPlace USA]] in [[theme park]], The Tire is [[Wikipedia:Anthropomorphism|anthropomorphized]] into Poppy the Tire, one of the [[Mount RidesPlace USA Mascots]].

The Tire was employed as a [[Wikipedia:Weather forecasting|weatherman]] on [[Strong Badia Action Cool News 5|Strong Badia's local newscast]]. He also played as Ted Averill, the [[The Strong Badian Administration of Some Aluminum Foil|SBASAF]]'s ground flight engineer.

In 2003, Strong Bad speculated that the Tire would win "the title" from [[Strong Mad]] in September of 2005. And, though the sport for which "the title" is to be contested is undetermined, the loss of "the title" will lead to a revengeful rematch between Strong Mad and the Tire dubbed "TireMadness." There is little evidence to show that this actually occurred in September 2005.

== Complete Filmography ==
*'''Debut:''' Email [[i rule]]
*[[Where's The Cheat?]]
*Email [[flag day]]
*Email [[ghosts]]
*[[Awexome Cross]], originally in [[monster truck]]
*Email [[date]]
*[[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]]
*Email [[2 years]]
*Email [[local news]]
*Email [[colonization]]
*Email [[monument]]
*Email [[theme park]] (represented by [[Homestar Runner]] as [[Mount RidesPlace USA Mascots|Poppy the Tire]])
*Email [[other days]]
*Email [[pizzaz]]
*Email [[animal]]
*[[Population: Tire]]
*[[Senorial Day]]
*Email [[bottom 10]]
*Email [[space program]]
*Email [[pop-up]]

[[Category:Pseudocharacters]] [[Category:Strong Badia]]

isp

2006-05-17T22:38:45Z

Trelawney: /* Real World References */

{{sbenav|152|senior prom|some kinda robot}}
[[Image:Isp.PNG|thumb|"Ma'am, please calm down. Your CD tray is not a cup holder."]]
Gary from the UK asks about Strong Bad's [[Wikipedia:Internet service provider|ISP]].

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|Bubs}}, {{Film|Strong Mad}}

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[The Office]], [[The Field]], [[Bubs' Concession Stand]], [[The Garage]]

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}

'''Date:''' May 16, 2006

'''Running Time:''' 3:23

'''Page Title:''' Lappy 486

==Transcript==

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}''A badaladoo, it's time for email, bra-doop-ba-dabadoo.
<blockquote class="lappy email">
<div>subject: ISP</div>
Dear Strong Bad, 
Since you answer emails, you must have some sort of 
internet, right? What kind of internet do you guys get in 
Strong Badia? Who runs it? Is it expensive? 
Your bestest buddy in the whole wide world, 
Gary, UK
</blockquote>

''{Strong Bad says "Not even close," very quickly after "Your bestest buddy in the whole wide world," and says "UK" as, "You 'kay?"}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Yeah, I'm fine, Gary. Calm down. Of course I've got the internet. How else could I download this awesome animated gif/gif of a cute breakdancing rodent. ''{Pronounces "gif/gif" as /gif/, /jif/}''

''{A progress bar pops up with a ding that says "11% Complete" with "Less than a fortnight remaining" below}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' What??!! Eleven percent? I started downloading this thing like two days ago! Oh, that's IT!! Hold on to your fat, sweaty D&D playing headsets, tech support. 'Cuz Strong Bad's about to Do-Sum-Bow-Dis!

''{The camera rotates around the Lappy to a rear view as Strong Bad picks up the telephone. There is a phone ringing sound and the screen is split by a phone cord with Homestar Runner in the office on the left and Strong Bad on the right. On Homestar's cubicle wall there is a Post-It Note that reads "Note to self: Chew more." Homestar wears a headset.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Thank you for calling the internet, may I have your account number or identity theft, please?

'''STRONG BAD:''' No, but you can have a heapin' helpin' of my unbridled rage!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{reading slowly from sheets of paper}'' Ma'am, please calm down. Your CD tray is not a cup holder. ''{turns page}'' I cannot help you clear your browser cache. No, I'm not in India. ''{puts papers down}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Shut up and listen. ''{bangs hand on keyboard}'' My internet is crawling along like... something... funny... that crawls along.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' All right, I can help you with that. Please hold while I transfer you to someone who can help you with that.

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{incredulous}'' What?!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{singing}'' Doo doot-tsp. Do doo doot-tsp. Do doo doot-tsp.

''{Cut to a long shot of the office as Homestar stands up. Homestar is the only visible tech representative.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{still singing}'' It's the hold music, do doot-tsp. Pa doo doot-tsp. Doodoo doo doot-tsp. ''{high pitched voice}'' Hold, music!

''{Cut back to the splitscreen as Homestar sits down.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Thank you for holding. Your call is very unportant to us. The next available representative wi—okay, I'm back! Lemme just verify your address so I can send you my weight in free sign-up CDs.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ugh, enough! ''{bangs hand against keyboard again}'' I'm marching my pasty white bwathom down there to talk to the man in charge!

''{He slams the phone down and walks offscreen during Homestar's next line.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' I'm so glad we could get that resolved. Is there anything else I could—

''{Cut to Strong Bad marching across The Field at dusk as march music plays in the background. Strong Bad ends up at Bubs' Concession Stand, slightly out of breath from the marching.}''

'''BUBS:''' ''{as the camera zooms in}'' Well if it isn't my lone internet customer. How's e-business?

''{Cut to Strong Bad from inside the concession stand.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Now listen here, old man Bubs! What's the big idea of throttling me down?!

'''BUBS:''' Throttling you down?! That's not one of the ninety-nine ways I rip you off!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Well, back in the day I used to connect at twelve-hundred baud, but ever since ''the merger'' I'm lucky if I get twelve baud.

'''BUBS:''' Hmm.

''{Cut back to Bubs.}''

'''BUBS:''' Let's head down to the datum center and see what we can find.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Dat'um sounds good.

''{Cut to the garage which is currently housing several computers with Bubs' face on them and is sporting a sign labelled, "Datum Center".}''

'''BUBS:''' ''{indicating the computers}'' So this is where the magic happens. I wonder where the trouble could be.

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{sarcastically}'' Yeah, I wonder.

''{Camera pulls back to reveal a computer with a garden hose sticking out of it and smoke issuing from the back}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' It's probably not this computer with the garden hose coming out of it.

'''BUBS:''' Hey! Somebody's suckin' up all my bandwidth!

''{Cut to a hole in the wall with the garden hose running through, then outside to Strong Mad sucking on the end of the hose. Strong Bad and Bubs walk up.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Strong Mad!

''{Startled, Strong Mad takes the hose out of his mouth. His mouth is now tiny.}''

'''STRONG MAD:''' ''{in a high-pitched voice}'' I'm a website!

''{Cut to Strong Bad and Bubs as they both start laughing, with the off-screen Strong Mad soon joining in (in his regular voice). The laughter gets more and more hysterical until it reaches a psychotic peak. At that point we cut back to the Lappy. For a moment, the status bar reads "99%" and has "Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..." written below where it previously read "Less than a fortnight remaining". With a ding, this is replaced by "100%" and "Already?!!" The Lappy's screen then shows an animated gif of a rat dancing to computer music. The rat is replaced by yellow text that says "NOT REALLY BREAK DANCING" and [[The Paper]] comes down.}''

==Easter Eggs==
[[Image:Homestar in CD form.PNG|thumb|CD Runner]]
*When Homestar mentions the free sign-up CDs, click on the [[Sticky Notes|post-it note]] that reads "note to self: chew more" to see a picture of them.
*At the end of the email, click on the "O" in "Not Really Break Dancing" to see a collection of free sign-up CDs in the shape of Homestar running backed by music similar to the [[Theme Song Video]]. This particular musical arrangement was heard in [[Bug In Mouth Disease]].

==Fun Facts==
===Explanations===
*D&D stands for [[Wikipedia:Dungeons & Dragons|Dungeons & Dragons]], a popular [[Wikipedia:Tabletop_role-playing_game|pen and paper role-playing game]] that, like working in tech support, is often associated with "geek culture".
*[[wikipedia:Baud|Baud]] is measure of the symbol rate made to the transmission medium per second in a digitally modulated signal.
*[[wiktionary:datum|Datum]] is the singular form of the word data.
*A [[wiktionary:fortnight|fortnight]] is a period of two weeks. The word "fortnight" is most often used in the UK, which is where the emailer is from.
*[[wiktionary:Bandwidth_throttling|Throttling]] is the limitation of a computer's ability to call data from a server within a certain period of time; it is used to alleviate network congestion and server crashes that result from high usage or too many incoming connections.
*Homestar's message "your call is very unportant to us" is a spoof of 'on hold' messages. They often repeat things such as "Thank you for holding. Your call is important to us. Please stay on the line. A specialist will be with you shortly."

===Remarks===
[[Image:Lappybackside.png|thumb|The lappy's back panel]]
*It is unclear how Strong Bad is connected to the Internet - there does not appear to be a network cable plugged in to the back of the Lappy, and it is unlikely that the computer has a wireless connection. However, it is possible that Strong Bad's Internet connection works in a similar way to the [[Disconnected Telephones]].
**A similar incident occured in [[part-time job]], where he checked the email without any cables. It is possible that both these times, he downloaded the emails beforehand.
*The [[Wikipedia:GIF|GIF]] file format does not support any form of sound on its own. The animation that Strong Bad downloaded is either not a true animated GIF, or it is embedded in a webpage that also contains embedded sound.
*When Homestar says the word "internet" after he first answers Strong Bad's call, he speaks without his trademark speech impediment. Same goes for "representative" while Strong Bad is on hold.
*Bubs refers to Strong Bad as his lone internet customer. It is unknown whether Free Country USA has other ISPs, but Strong Sad, the Cheat and Homestar all seem to be connected to the internet too. However, The Cheat and Strong Sad would presumably use Strong Bad's internet connection since their computers are in the same residence, and it's possible Homestar gets his connection for free as an employment benefit. Pom Pom may or may not have subscribed to an ISP through his Pom Pilot, though he can clearly access the Internet.
*While the first time we saw the back of the Lappy was in the email [[part-time job]], this is the first time we have seen a clear view of the various ports and inputs on the back of the computer.
*Assuming that the animated gif is downloading at a constant speed, it would take about 16 more days to finish downloading. This is more than a fortnight, not less.
*Although they are normally considered unimpressive, the gif does employ two common dance moves: The Cabbage Patch and Raise the Roof.
*This is the first time Bubs has been seen openly laughing. He previously suppressed his laughter at "Da Bee" in [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]].

===Goofs===
[[Image:Bubs Hidden Teeth.PNG|thumb|150px|Walking backwards?]]
* The last time Homestar imitates the hi-hat sound in his hold music or when he's getting up from his chair, his mouth doesn't move.
* Bubs' mouth outline is just barely visible on the backside of his silhouette. Altering the brightness and contrast can make the error more apparent.

===Inside References===
*Strong Mad first unsuccessfully attempted to alter his voice in [[helium]].
*Strong Bad's confusion over the pronunciation of the word "GIF" is a reference to [[website]].
**Strong Bad was also first seen using an animated GIF involving a rodent in that email.
*The Easter egg at the end refers to [[Bug In Mouth Disease]], which in turn refers to [[Theme Song Video]].
*The icon of a 5 1/4 inch floppy disc on the download-progress screen is another instance of Strong Bad using outdated [[Strong Bad's Technology|technology.]]
*The tech support scene also has a [[Disconnected Telephone]].

===Real World References===
*When Homestar says "No, I'm not in India," he is refering to the [[Wikipedia:Outsourcing|outsourcing]] of Western tech-support labor to Eastern countries like India.
*The absurd amount of "free sign-up CDs" is a reference to the ISP [[Wikipedia:America Online|America Online]], who is notorious for aggressively marketing its services with free-trial CDs through mass mailings, newspaper and magazine inserts, and in-store displays.
* Homestar's mention of a lady who used her CD-ROM drive as a cup holder is a notorious Tech Support call which may or may not be an [[Wikipedia:Urban legend|urban legend]].
* The Break Dancing Rat's dance involves making a hand sign out of a fist with index and little fingers extended. This is today widely known as the symbol for heavy metal ([[Wikipedia:Devil horns|Devil horns]]), but in keeping with the Brothers' Chaps many references to 80's era metal, this is most likely a reference to [[Wikipedia:Ronnie James Dio|Ronnie James Dio]], a popular heavy metal vocalist in bands such as Rainbow, [[Wikipedia:Black Sabbath|Black Sabbath]] and Dio. Ronnie claims to have introduced the gesture into music culture after his grandmother used it years before to ward off the [[Wikipedia:Evil eye|Evil eye]], and it remains Dio's trademark today. Dio has been very outspoken recently on the widespread [http://www.defenderofrock.com/news/dio.html misuse of this gesture.]

==External Links==
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{{Strong Bad Email}}

Talk:Lack of Visible Arms

2006-05-08T23:52:12Z

Trelawney: /* No telekinetic abilities. Just arms. */

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The [[King of Town]] also doesn't appear to have any visible arms (nor does the Prince of Town in [[flashback]]), but no direct reference is made to this.

== He just gave me the bird! ==

:''Homestar flips Strong Bad off, and Strong Bad reacts as if he can see it.''

I think the joke in [[the bird]] was that Homestar "flips off" Strong Bad by responding "right back at you" to Strong Bad's Single Deuce, as if ''he didn't even need to'' flip a hand. Understand? --[[User:Sam Goldfish|Sam Goldfish]] 22:31, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:...Actually, you're right, I think. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:Yeah, I was about to make that very same comment before I saw I was beaten to it. If not totally removed, I think the entry should be heavily reworded. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 03:42, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::Nah, it's supposed to be taken straightforward; Homestar ''really'' flips him the bird. If somebody merely ''told me'' they were flipping me off, I don't think I would take it as badly as Strong Bad does. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:08, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
:::I had always seen it as a real, invisible one rather than "it's the thought that counts." I'm not arguing definitely against that. ''But'' a little bit of humor in the whole email comes from the fact that ''none'' of the flip-offs are visible, since even the characters with visible hands lack independent finger movement. Strong Bad's and Pom Pom's "deuces" are mere hand movements, yet all the characters seem to be perceiving the gesture. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:48, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::::All we know for certain is that Homestar says "right back atcha," which (since it's Homestar) probably means that he either didn't see or didn't understand the gesture. (I mean two different things by that: "didn't see" would be due to the boxing gloves; "didn't understand" would be due to him being Homestar.) We do not know that Homestar really made any "hand gestures" at all, invisible hands or no; he probably just thought Strong Bad was waving, hence the "right back atcha." Since the joke works whether Homestar is actually making an invisible hand gesture or not, time to apply Occham's (sp?) Razor. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:01, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::::PS. Abdi makes a good point. The only main characters who could make a visible "bird" would be Strong Mad, Strong Sad, and The Poopsmith, none of whom appeared in that email.
::::Exactly! Homestar thought Strong Bad was waving! I get it now! As for Strong Bad taking it so bad, I think that's part of the joke: He can dish it out, but he can't take it. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 06:33, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::Though note that [[Strong Mad]] would be the only one who could do it properly, as he has five fingers, while [[Strong Sad]] and [[The Poopsmith]] have four.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:55, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::Dot com is right: It is clear that Homestar's gesture or lack thereof was taken by Strong Bad as an actual one-fingered salute. We should take it just as seriously as we take Strong Bad and Pom Pom's deuces. Yes, he may have thought Strong Bad was just "waving", but if he did, it appears that he "waved" back, and therefore, for all practical purposes, Homestar did in fact flip Strong Bad off. I hope that wasn't ridiculouly confusing; I feel like I'm rambling. If it doesn't make sense, let me know; I'll try to clarify. [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 07:07, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::The quotation marks on waving seem to convey it just right. Couldn't have said it better myself (and I tried to above). {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 18:24, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

I really think you guys are overanalyzing this. The joke was that you can't see either Strong Bad or Pom Pom's gestures - just the suggestion of them given the context. The joke is continued when Strong Bad "flips off" Homestar, and Homestar just reflects it right back. Given the lack of visible evidence, but also given Strong Bad's responses to both Pom Pom ("Pom Pom prefers the single deuce") and Homestar ("He just gave me the bird!"), I think it's safe to assume that the gesture (visible only to Strong Bad) was repeated both times. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 19:47, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:I've always perceived this as exactly how the current wording explains it. Strong Bad flips Homestar off, so Homestar responds by flipping Strong Bad off, and Strong Bad reacts as if he can see it. It doesn't need any more explanation than that. In fact, it's funny precisely because it's ambiguous. Let's not squeeze the poop out of the fly here. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:04, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::I'm willing to believe that Homestar doesn't actually understand the gesture - he's pretty dim. Say you're from another country, and you've never seen or heard of the middle-finger gesture before. Someone does it to you, and you might interpret it as a friendly gesture and do it right back to them. Of course, the first person might then be offended by it. Since Homestar generally tends to have memory lapses and is otherwise just a dim-witted fellow to begin with, I think it's perfectly reasonable to interpret this as him seeing the flip-off and just not understanding it. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:10, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::As my mother always said: It's the thought that counts. It doesn't metter if they actualy did it or not. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:11, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::I think the joke here is the ambiguity. Is Homestar wittily flashing the bird back, or does he not realize the back of String Bad's boxing glove is actually the finger, making his response a wave? That's what puts the hummor in the situation. I don't think we can take SB's reply as evidence to support either side. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 20:14, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::Hence the original statement: Strong Bad reacts as though he can see (the gesture). - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:19, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::Proposed Revision: ''"When Strong Bad flips off Homestar, Homestar apparently returns the gesture, causing Strong Bad's feelings to be hurt."'' - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:21, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::Meh, the feelings hurt part is not that relevant. The key is that Strong Bad says, "He just gave me the bird," something someone wouldn't be expected to say if they hadn't actually been flipped off. This whole page is based on trying to interpret something that doesn't make sense in the real world. Its purpose is to highlight the ambiguity where we find it. I think there's enough support for including the instance found in [[the bird]] to put it back on the page, but I suggest my own revision: ''Strong Bad flips Homestar off, and after Homestar replies "Right back atcha," Strong Bad exclaims, "He just gave me the bird!"'' — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:53, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::Sounds good to me. That's nice and unambiguous. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:57, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::Yes, very good. It's got no speculation. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

That sounds re-ZON-able. (Or however you spell that.) [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 23:03, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

I just think that Homestar's, Marzipan's, the KOT's, etc. arms are invisible to us, the viewers, but they are visible to the charcaters in the cartoon. It makes sense.

== Pic? ==

Which do you think we should use for this article's picture? I'm for Homestar's "arms" from [[fingers]].-{{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:EDIT: Lunar Jesters uploaded[http://www.hrwiki.org/images/7/7f/Homestar%27s_Arms.PNG]. I like it.{{User:Kookykman/sig}}

== Page Title ==
Invisible Arms? I don't think that Homestar, Marzi & KOT have arms at all. I think it's some kind of force field or something. I mean, the fact about time capsule (Homestar holding three things at once) was already declined on STUFF because the majority of people here think it's not clear that Homestar has arms as such. Can we get a better name for this page? And perhaps remove that dubious fact? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 23:06, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:How about "Ambiguious Arms" or simply "Arms"? {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::I don't like just "arms" because this page is actually about ''lack of'' arms. Say, how about "Lack of Arms" ;) {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 23:08, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:::"Lack of Arms" has the same problem that "Invisible Arms" has. Namely, it assumes as fact one of the possible explanations for the situation. (I admit I chose "Invisible Arms" because that's the camp I'm in. Is there something (besides just "Arms") that is more neutral?) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:10, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::Well, I did propose Ambiguous Arms earlier... - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::"Ambiguous Arms" is a step in the right direction, although something about it (maybe the alliteration?) doesn't sound quite right to me. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:14, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the alliteration kind of threw me off, too. *looks up synonyms* "ambiguous, cryptic, dark, darkling, deep, enigmatic (also enigmatical), equivocal, inscrutable, murky, mysterious, mystic, nebulous, occult." Not a good list. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::How about "Vague"? - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:19, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::What about "Extremities"? Homestar uses that term in the DVD commentary in [[time capsule]]. :) - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:18, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::That has the same problem as just "Arms", though. :P - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::Yeah, "Extremities" doesn't really address the adjective problem. How about "Missing or Invisible Arms"? "The Arm Situation"? "No Visible Arms"? "How the Crap Do They Pick Stuff Up"? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:21, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::::"Missing or Invisible Arms" does adress both sides of the problem. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::"Vague Extremities", then. :) - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:22, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
I say "Arms?"—with the question mark. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:23, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:Looking at my most recent list, I like "No Visible Arms." It gets the point across, it's easy to remember, and it works for both completely missing arms and arms that are just invisible. Plus, it can be worked into a fun fact: "This is another reference to Homestar's having [[Lack of Visible Arms|no visible arms]]." — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:25, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::I'm for "No Visible Arms". {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::Yeah, that's a good solution to all sides. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:30, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::I'm going to move it in about 5 minutes if there's no objections. {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::Well, now let's give everyone a chance to weigh in. Just to be thorough, here are the choices so far:
:::::*This is another reference to Homestar's [[Lack of Visible Arms|missing or invisible arms]].
:::::*This is another reference to Homestar's [[Lack of Visible Arms|ambiguous arms]In].
:::::*This is another reference to the [[Lack of Visible Arms|arm situation]].
:::::*[[Lack of Visible Arms|How the crap do they pick stuff up?]] (just kidding).
:::::*This is another reference to Homestar's having [[Lack of Visible Arms|no visible arms]].
:::::— [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
::::::Alright, I'll wait. Though, looking at that list, it looks pretty obvious. :) - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

::::::I'll go along with '''no visible arms'''. It seems the best of both worlds. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::It's a bit awkward, but I'd go with "No Visible Arms." How about "Lack of Visible Arms"? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 23:57, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::::The point of "no visible arms" is that it will be linked easily from fun facts pages (see the list above) - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::::"This is another reference to Homestar's [[Lack of Visible Arms|lack of visible arms]]." It sounds better, see? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 00:00, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::You're right. "Lack of Visible Arms" does sound better. We're going to need a clear agreement before we move it. Any way we could have a quick STUFF-style vote, or should we just move it now? - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

::::::::::I emphatically agree that a negative statement about visible arms is the way to go (it makes no statement about invisible or none), and I enthusiastically agree with H. Coder that "Homestar's lack" is preferable to "Homestar's having." That gerund gamme the gerbblies. (Not to be confused with the gerbilys.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 00:26, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'd say '''lack of visible arms''' is good too. As long as it finally gets a name everyone can agree on, yeah? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::::::::::Done. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:46, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

== Homestar's perception ==
Note that just because clearly Strong Bad and Strong Mad are of the opinion he doesn't have arms doesn't prove it for sure; that's ''their'' opinion. Homestar seems to think he does. This could be Homestar being delusional, or one could argue that he ought to know best. Seems to me this is similar to the pants issue—he maintains he's wearing pants although others disagree. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:30, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

== Sarcasm? ==

When Strong Bad notes that Marzipan has "really nice hands" in the Yellow Dello commentary, I think it's possible that he was being sarcastic. His tone (notice his emphasis on the word "hands"), combined with the fact that he seems to have a pretty good handle on just who has arms in Free Country U.S.A, indicates that he may have been making a joke. Of course, that doesn't mean Homestar's agreement wasn't completely earnest... [[User:Rocketlex|Rocketlex]] 00:13, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
:No, I'm pretty sure it was TBC who were making the joke. It's a sort of dramatic irony- the audience knows that Marzipan has no arms, but for the moment the characters don't seem to. It wouldn't be funny if Strong Bad was referring to some invisible hands that were "really nice".[[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 23:42, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

== Another character with no visible arms ==

[[The Wheelchair]] is seen lifting the lid to his pot of burled holiday cabbage in [[Decemberween Sweet Cuppin' Cakes]]. Any significance? - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 21:51, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
:Sure, add it on. He has definitely got no arms. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::Done. Added a note that he actually DOES have visible arms, but they don't move. (You can see the arms, but they obviously aren't designed to pick things up. :)) - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 22:18, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
:::Good call on adding the wheelchair. But I have to disagree, he does not have arms. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 22:57, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
::::Uh, he means the wheels. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 23:02, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::I meant the wheels? Actually, I ''was'' talking about the arms (the parts that you'd rest your arms on if you were sitting in a wheelchair. I had forgotten that The Wheelchair's arms (in this case) serve as his mouth. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:05, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::Nevermind. I didn't do any fact checking. I am probably just going crazy...again. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 23:28, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

== Not quite so visible ==

Be it in another page or this page, [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Fall_Float_Parade&diff=206146&oldid=206084 this] might be a good idea! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:51, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
:Hey, we added the bit about Strong Bad "flicking" Strong Sad's "ears" to the Type-With-Boxing-Gloves page... I see nothing wrong with this. And the coach must have some sort of mouth, as we've seen him blow a whistle AND eat... But it might just be an invisible one. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== No telekinetic abilities. Just arms. ==

This is my opinion on it, taken from the Homestar talk page:

If you want something close to proof, look at [[the bird]]. But really, you're just analyzing it too hard. Look at his eyes on the picture in the upper left. They're clearly on the front of his head, with him facing diagonally. Notice that you can see the underside of the hat? Notice the mouth is seen from a diagonal angle? It's like an Egyptian painting. Yes, the puppet has the eyes on the side, but can't you tell that's just to make it work in real life? It's a cartoon, it's like Egyptian paintings, it doesn't have to be exactly like that in real life. There is no real life, in fact, so reality is simply what the creators intended. How can he flip Strong Bad the bird with telepathic abilities? It's like Pom-Pom's voice, they can understand it but we can't. The arms exist but we can't see them. His eyes are just eyes. </rant> [[User:Uh...Cwapface|Uh...Cwapface]] 03:44, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Ummm..I totally forgot what I wrote on the other page so I'm just gonna wing it- It's just one of those many questions everyone has for TBC, but they have no answer for. Like "How come Marzipan has no legs" or "Why does Bubs' mouth not move when he talks or just barely does"? It's one of those things the world may never know.--[[User:Gir007|Gir007]] 00:53, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

* If [[Homestar Runner|Homestar]] had arms, there would be holes in his shirt/skirt for them to come out of. I think this decisively shows that he must be telekinetic.

*How does Strong Bad type with boxing gloves on? --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 23:10, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

* Sorry to post anonymously, but I haven't created an account here yet. I think that the Brothers Chaps may have finally answered the arms vs. telekinesis question with the recent Strong Bad E-mail lady fan. Since Homestar's workout clothes include a leotard/onesie thing, the shoulder straps would fall if he didn't have *something* holding them up.

*To add to that (still anonymous diffrent poster) in the same E-mail Strong Bad slaps the scoisors out of Marzipan's hands, or the lack thereof. This implys that people with arms can interact with those without, giving play to the "invisble arms" argument.

*Homestar can manipulate more than two items telekenetically, which he could not do if he had invisible arms. I would second the significance of the lack of holes in Homestar's "red skirt", and I would also say that from watching Homestar (and the others) manipulate objects, it just looks more like they are levitating them than using invisible appendages. This no-armed whitey's powers of levitation may explain the hilarious blinking about of [[long pants]]: when upset so badly, his psychic powers blink him about. None of the references to the characters' hands or arms would be ironic or funny if we the audience were not supposed to believe that they had none. In the words of Strong Mad, "You don't have aaa-" [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 23:51, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

== They're not the only ones... ==

I happen to know, and I would really appreciate if no one asked me why I know, that the characters from [[Wikipedia:VeggieTales|VeggieTales]] also don't have arms, but can pick stuff up. Who came first, anyways?--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 23:41, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
:VeggieTales came first. [[User:PurpleKoopa|PurpleKoopa]] 21:58, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
::There's nothing wrong with liking VeggieTales, Jnelson09. They rock. One of my favorite jokes is in the one about Jericho where someone is giving a speech and everyone applauds. One of the characters leans to another and says, "''How'' are we clapping??" Good stuff. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:57, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
:::It's not that I ''like'' VeggieTales (honestly, I think they're weird, no offense), it's just that I saw it a few times, and the first time I saw Homestar in [[Experimental Film]], it just reminded me of that.--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 23:14, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

== Something Worth Knowing ==

There's an article on Homestar's discussion page about the "no arms" mystery, but it discusses the reasoning behind the lack of arms. Anybody care to add to it?

== The Wheelchair ==

The Wheelchair does 'technically' have arms(handles). And even if not so, this isn't a character that should actually be designed to have arms. Shouldn't the title of that section be labeled differently, instead of just listing what abscure characters don't have arms? If your intention is that, then why not add "The Huuuuuudge" and other mentioned characters without libs? {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 22:35, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
:I think the main point of including the Wheelchair is that it has been seen manipulating an object if it had arms--or, rather, invisible ones. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::That's it exactly. The Wheelchair opened a pot of burled cabbage with invisible arms. This page isn't discussing the armrests, but actual manipulative arms we cannot see but have seen evidence of. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::It might be worth having a closer look at some of the characters on this page: I'm not sure all of them have ever been seen moving objects as though they had invisible arms. It seems to me this page shouuld ''only'' feature those characters who have done so, not just any character with no visible arms. I'll check up on this when I have more time. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 22:43, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
:::A list and a check if there is a verified example of proof there are arms that are not invisible, and not just no arms:

*{{done}}Homestar Runner
*{{done}}Marzipan
*{{done}}The King of Town
*{{done}}Homsar ([[Homestar Presents: Presents]] - using paintbrush as bell)
*{{done}}The Yodeling Man (he holds the horn somehow)
*{{done}}The Knight (bass drum mallets in [[Fall Float Parade]]
*{{done}}The Little Chef Guy
*{{todo}}The Prince of Town
*{{done}}The Goblin (unzips costume in [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]])
*{{todo}}The Sad Kids
*{{done}}The Homestar Runner (parsnip soup)
*{{done}}Old-Timey Marzipan
*{{done}}1-Up (puuding)
*{{done}}The Wheelchair (burled cabbage)
*{{todo}}Unnamed Girl
*{{todo}}Homeschool Winner
*{{todo}}The Unguraits

:::Add checks and confirmations as you find them. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:54, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::::The chef guy seems to be holding a knife somehow, but he doesn't move it at all. The others are all unconfirmed, as far as I know. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::Shouldn't we be able to assume that The Prince of Town has invisible arms, as he is the storybook counterpart to The King of Town? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:06, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::Wasn't Homsar holding a paintbrush in [[Homestar Presents: Presents]]? I think that would count... {{User:Saturn/sig}} 23:39, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::::He was also holding a magic wand and dropped a bunch of confetti in [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]]. Good call. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::'''(Edit Conflict)''' I'd also suggest that any character who looks human or vaguely human (The Sad Kids, Unnamed Girl, etc) should also be considered as having invisible arms if they're not actually shown. If you choose to accept that, then this leave The Goblin, Homeschool Winner and the Unguraits. And you can probably assume that Homsar and Homeschool Winner have the same or similar qualities to Homestar Runner, since they are similar creatures. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:41, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
*Prince Of Town: hey, maybe if they aren't arms but are telekinesis, he hadn't yet developed the power at that point. Add to that the PoT is apocryphal, and I see no reason to assume he has arms.
*The Goblin, The Unguraits: possibly no arms. Probably, even, considering we don't know their physiology. By that logic we add Da Huuudge and other such nonsense.
*The Sad Kids, Unnamed Girl, Homeschool: while we might deduce by analogy that they must have arms, there remains no proof, and therefore we don't actually know for sure.
I think The Goblin and The Unguraits should be removed, and the others debated. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:08, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
:How about if we put them in a separate section? "Debatable/Unproven Characters" or something like that? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 03:45, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
::That sounds like a good idea. I could see removing the Goblin and the Unguraits (especially the Unguraits), but I think there's enough to assume that the prince, the kids, the girl, and Homeschool meet the criteria for this page, even without explicit proof. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:01, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
:::If [[:Image:goblin arms fangs.PNG|The Goblin was gonna have arms]], that means he doesn't have now. I say confirmed. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:19, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
::::I don't see how that picture of the Goblin confirms that he has no arms at all. If anything, it confirms for me that he has invisible arms. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:40, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and moved all the questionables to a new subsection: "Debatable Characters". Is that good enough? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:09, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

If the Goblin doesn't have invisible arms or telekenesis, how does he properly disguise himself as Strong Bad in [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]]? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:43, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

:The same way [[Homsar]] can hang upside down and still keep his hat on. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:56, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
::I don't understand what you mean. The Strong Bad costume moved its arms and opened its own zipper, so the Goblin had to have been manipulating it somehow... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:59, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
:::How about this theory: It's just is. Trying to found out how he did that is like trying to find out how Strong Bad types with boxing gloves on. They just do. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 08:24, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
::::Then that makes this entire debate (and article) moot. How does Homestar pick stuff up? He just does. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:25, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::Jay's point on The Goblin is valid, he should be moved out of Debatable Characters. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 16:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::Updated the item upstairs, too. The Goblin is confirmed. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 01:14, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

:(Preserved from top of page, by Anonymous Contributor)
:'''Hey Wait a moment...'''
:Didn't the goblin unzip that costume?

== Invisible Hands Only theorem ==

I consider [[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy]] canon, so Homestar (and presumably the rest of the cast) really doesn't have arms, invisible or otherwise. However, Marzipan clearly have hands, so this is how I think things work:

Each armless character has two invisible hands, which are manipulated psychokinetically. These hands are the only things that can be so manipulated. [[User:Meneth|Meneth]] 06:46, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Only, Homestar has been seen manipulating at least three things before. In [[time capsule]], for example, he was seen holding the gross old wig, the box it came in, and the lid to the box all at once. - [[User: Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]

Homestar definately just has hands, no arms. Anyone notice that almost none of Homestar's shirts have any sleeves for an "arm" to go through? - [[User: ThomasO|ThomasO]]

:I think that's part of the joke. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 00:37, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Lack of Visible Arms

2006-05-08T23:51:29Z

Trelawney: /* No telekinetic abilities. Just arms. */ I typo'd

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The [[King of Town]] also doesn't appear to have any visible arms (nor does the Prince of Town in [[flashback]]), but no direct reference is made to this.

== He just gave me the bird! ==

:''Homestar flips Strong Bad off, and Strong Bad reacts as if he can see it.''

I think the joke in [[the bird]] was that Homestar "flips off" Strong Bad by responding "right back at you" to Strong Bad's Single Deuce, as if ''he didn't even need to'' flip a hand. Understand? --[[User:Sam Goldfish|Sam Goldfish]] 22:31, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:...Actually, you're right, I think. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:Yeah, I was about to make that very same comment before I saw I was beaten to it. If not totally removed, I think the entry should be heavily reworded. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 03:42, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::Nah, it's supposed to be taken straightforward; Homestar ''really'' flips him the bird. If somebody merely ''told me'' they were flipping me off, I don't think I would take it as badly as Strong Bad does. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:08, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
:::I had always seen it as a real, invisible one rather than "it's the thought that counts." I'm not arguing definitely against that. ''But'' a little bit of humor in the whole email comes from the fact that ''none'' of the flip-offs are visible, since even the characters with visible hands lack independent finger movement. Strong Bad's and Pom Pom's "deuces" are mere hand movements, yet all the characters seem to be perceiving the gesture. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:48, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::::All we know for certain is that Homestar says "right back atcha," which (since it's Homestar) probably means that he either didn't see or didn't understand the gesture. (I mean two different things by that: "didn't see" would be due to the boxing gloves; "didn't understand" would be due to him being Homestar.) We do not know that Homestar really made any "hand gestures" at all, invisible hands or no; he probably just thought Strong Bad was waving, hence the "right back atcha." Since the joke works whether Homestar is actually making an invisible hand gesture or not, time to apply Occham's (sp?) Razor. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:01, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::::PS. Abdi makes a good point. The only main characters who could make a visible "bird" would be Strong Mad, Strong Sad, and The Poopsmith, none of whom appeared in that email.
::::Exactly! Homestar thought Strong Bad was waving! I get it now! As for Strong Bad taking it so bad, I think that's part of the joke: He can dish it out, but he can't take it. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 06:33, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::Though note that [[Strong Mad]] would be the only one who could do it properly, as he has five fingers, while [[Strong Sad]] and [[The Poopsmith]] have four.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:55, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::Dot com is right: It is clear that Homestar's gesture or lack thereof was taken by Strong Bad as an actual one-fingered salute. We should take it just as seriously as we take Strong Bad and Pom Pom's deuces. Yes, he may have thought Strong Bad was just "waving", but if he did, it appears that he "waved" back, and therefore, for all practical purposes, Homestar did in fact flip Strong Bad off. I hope that wasn't ridiculouly confusing; I feel like I'm rambling. If it doesn't make sense, let me know; I'll try to clarify. [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 07:07, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::The quotation marks on waving seem to convey it just right. Couldn't have said it better myself (and I tried to above). {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 18:24, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

I really think you guys are overanalyzing this. The joke was that you can't see either Strong Bad or Pom Pom's gestures - just the suggestion of them given the context. The joke is continued when Strong Bad "flips off" Homestar, and Homestar just reflects it right back. Given the lack of visible evidence, but also given Strong Bad's responses to both Pom Pom ("Pom Pom prefers the single deuce") and Homestar ("He just gave me the bird!"), I think it's safe to assume that the gesture (visible only to Strong Bad) was repeated both times. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 19:47, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:I've always perceived this as exactly how the current wording explains it. Strong Bad flips Homestar off, so Homestar responds by flipping Strong Bad off, and Strong Bad reacts as if he can see it. It doesn't need any more explanation than that. In fact, it's funny precisely because it's ambiguous. Let's not squeeze the poop out of the fly here. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:04, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::I'm willing to believe that Homestar doesn't actually understand the gesture - he's pretty dim. Say you're from another country, and you've never seen or heard of the middle-finger gesture before. Someone does it to you, and you might interpret it as a friendly gesture and do it right back to them. Of course, the first person might then be offended by it. Since Homestar generally tends to have memory lapses and is otherwise just a dim-witted fellow to begin with, I think it's perfectly reasonable to interpret this as him seeing the flip-off and just not understanding it. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:10, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::As my mother always said: It's the thought that counts. It doesn't metter if they actualy did it or not. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:11, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::I think the joke here is the ambiguity. Is Homestar wittily flashing the bird back, or does he not realize the back of String Bad's boxing glove is actually the finger, making his response a wave? That's what puts the hummor in the situation. I don't think we can take SB's reply as evidence to support either side. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 20:14, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::Hence the original statement: Strong Bad reacts as though he can see (the gesture). - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:19, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::Proposed Revision: ''"When Strong Bad flips off Homestar, Homestar apparently returns the gesture, causing Strong Bad's feelings to be hurt."'' - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:21, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::Meh, the feelings hurt part is not that relevant. The key is that Strong Bad says, "He just gave me the bird," something someone wouldn't be expected to say if they hadn't actually been flipped off. This whole page is based on trying to interpret something that doesn't make sense in the real world. Its purpose is to highlight the ambiguity where we find it. I think there's enough support for including the instance found in [[the bird]] to put it back on the page, but I suggest my own revision: ''Strong Bad flips Homestar off, and after Homestar replies "Right back atcha," Strong Bad exclaims, "He just gave me the bird!"'' — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:53, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::Sounds good to me. That's nice and unambiguous. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:57, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::Yes, very good. It's got no speculation. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

That sounds re-ZON-able. (Or however you spell that.) [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 23:03, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

I just think that Homestar's, Marzipan's, the KOT's, etc. arms are invisible to us, the viewers, but they are visible to the charcaters in the cartoon. It makes sense.

== Pic? ==

Which do you think we should use for this article's picture? I'm for Homestar's "arms" from [[fingers]].-{{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:EDIT: Lunar Jesters uploaded[http://www.hrwiki.org/images/7/7f/Homestar%27s_Arms.PNG]. I like it.{{User:Kookykman/sig}}

== Page Title ==
Invisible Arms? I don't think that Homestar, Marzi & KOT have arms at all. I think it's some kind of force field or something. I mean, the fact about time capsule (Homestar holding three things at once) was already declined on STUFF because the majority of people here think it's not clear that Homestar has arms as such. Can we get a better name for this page? And perhaps remove that dubious fact? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 23:06, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:How about "Ambiguious Arms" or simply "Arms"? {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::I don't like just "arms" because this page is actually about ''lack of'' arms. Say, how about "Lack of Arms" ;) {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 23:08, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:::"Lack of Arms" has the same problem that "Invisible Arms" has. Namely, it assumes as fact one of the possible explanations for the situation. (I admit I chose "Invisible Arms" because that's the camp I'm in. Is there something (besides just "Arms") that is more neutral?) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:10, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::Well, I did propose Ambiguous Arms earlier... - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::"Ambiguous Arms" is a step in the right direction, although something about it (maybe the alliteration?) doesn't sound quite right to me. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:14, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the alliteration kind of threw me off, too. *looks up synonyms* "ambiguous, cryptic, dark, darkling, deep, enigmatic (also enigmatical), equivocal, inscrutable, murky, mysterious, mystic, nebulous, occult." Not a good list. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::How about "Vague"? - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:19, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::What about "Extremities"? Homestar uses that term in the DVD commentary in [[time capsule]]. :) - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:18, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::That has the same problem as just "Arms", though. :P - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::Yeah, "Extremities" doesn't really address the adjective problem. How about "Missing or Invisible Arms"? "The Arm Situation"? "No Visible Arms"? "How the Crap Do They Pick Stuff Up"? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:21, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::::"Missing or Invisible Arms" does adress both sides of the problem. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::"Vague Extremities", then. :) - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:22, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
I say "Arms?"—with the question mark. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:23, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:Looking at my most recent list, I like "No Visible Arms." It gets the point across, it's easy to remember, and it works for both completely missing arms and arms that are just invisible. Plus, it can be worked into a fun fact: "This is another reference to Homestar's having [[Lack of Visible Arms|no visible arms]]." — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:25, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::I'm for "No Visible Arms". {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::Yeah, that's a good solution to all sides. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:30, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::I'm going to move it in about 5 minutes if there's no objections. {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::Well, now let's give everyone a chance to weigh in. Just to be thorough, here are the choices so far:
:::::*This is another reference to Homestar's [[Lack of Visible Arms|missing or invisible arms]].
:::::*This is another reference to Homestar's [[Lack of Visible Arms|ambiguous arms]In].
:::::*This is another reference to the [[Lack of Visible Arms|arm situation]].
:::::*[[Lack of Visible Arms|How the crap do they pick stuff up?]] (just kidding).
:::::*This is another reference to Homestar's having [[Lack of Visible Arms|no visible arms]].
:::::— [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
::::::Alright, I'll wait. Though, looking at that list, it looks pretty obvious. :) - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

::::::I'll go along with '''no visible arms'''. It seems the best of both worlds. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::It's a bit awkward, but I'd go with "No Visible Arms." How about "Lack of Visible Arms"? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 23:57, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::::The point of "no visible arms" is that it will be linked easily from fun facts pages (see the list above) - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::::"This is another reference to Homestar's [[Lack of Visible Arms|lack of visible arms]]." It sounds better, see? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 00:00, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::You're right. "Lack of Visible Arms" does sound better. We're going to need a clear agreement before we move it. Any way we could have a quick STUFF-style vote, or should we just move it now? - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

::::::::::I emphatically agree that a negative statement about visible arms is the way to go (it makes no statement about invisible or none), and I enthusiastically agree with H. Coder that "Homestar's lack" is preferable to "Homestar's having." That gerund gamme the gerbblies. (Not to be confused with the gerbilys.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 00:26, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'd say '''lack of visible arms''' is good too. As long as it finally gets a name everyone can agree on, yeah? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::::::::::Done. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:46, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

== Homestar's perception ==
Note that just because clearly Strong Bad and Strong Mad are of the opinion he doesn't have arms doesn't prove it for sure; that's ''their'' opinion. Homestar seems to think he does. This could be Homestar being delusional, or one could argue that he ought to know best. Seems to me this is similar to the pants issue—he maintains he's wearing pants although others disagree. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:30, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

== Sarcasm? ==

When Strong Bad notes that Marzipan has "really nice hands" in the Yellow Dello commentary, I think it's possible that he was being sarcastic. His tone (notice his emphasis on the word "hands"), combined with the fact that he seems to have a pretty good handle on just who has arms in Free Country U.S.A, indicates that he may have been making a joke. Of course, that doesn't mean Homestar's agreement wasn't completely earnest... [[User:Rocketlex|Rocketlex]] 00:13, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
:No, I'm pretty sure it was TBC who were making the joke. It's a sort of dramatic irony- the audience knows that Marzipan has no arms, but for the moment the characters don't seem to. It wouldn't be funny if Strong Bad was referring to some invisible hands that were "really nice".[[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 23:42, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

== Another character with no visible arms ==

[[The Wheelchair]] is seen lifting the lid to his pot of burled holiday cabbage in [[Decemberween Sweet Cuppin' Cakes]]. Any significance? - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 21:51, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
:Sure, add it on. He has definitely got no arms. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::Done. Added a note that he actually DOES have visible arms, but they don't move. (You can see the arms, but they obviously aren't designed to pick things up. :)) - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 22:18, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
:::Good call on adding the wheelchair. But I have to disagree, he does not have arms. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 22:57, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
::::Uh, he means the wheels. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 23:02, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::I meant the wheels? Actually, I ''was'' talking about the arms (the parts that you'd rest your arms on if you were sitting in a wheelchair. I had forgotten that The Wheelchair's arms (in this case) serve as his mouth. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:05, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::Nevermind. I didn't do any fact checking. I am probably just going crazy...again. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 23:28, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

== Not quite so visible ==

Be it in another page or this page, [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Fall_Float_Parade&diff=206146&oldid=206084 this] might be a good idea! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:51, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
:Hey, we added the bit about Strong Bad "flicking" Strong Sad's "ears" to the Type-With-Boxing-Gloves page... I see nothing wrong with this. And the coach must have some sort of mouth, as we've seen him blow a whistle AND eat... But it might just be an invisible one. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== No telekinetic abilities. Just arms. ==

This is my opinion on it, taken from the Homestar talk page:

If you want something close to proof, look at [[the bird]]. But really, you're just analyzing it too hard. Look at his eyes on the picture in the upper left. They're clearly on the front of his head, with him facing diagonally. Notice that you can see the underside of the hat? Notice the mouth is seen from a diagonal angle? It's like an Egyptian painting. Yes, the puppet has the eyes on the side, but can't you tell that's just to make it work in real life? It's a cartoon, it's like Egyptian paintings, it doesn't have to be exactly like that in real life. There is no real life, in fact, so reality is simply what the creators intended. How can he flip Strong Bad the bird with telepathic abilities? It's like Pom-Pom's voice, they can understand it but we can't. The arms exist but we can't see them. His eyes are just eyes. </rant> [[User:Uh...Cwapface|Uh...Cwapface]] 03:44, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Ummm..I totally forgot what I wrote on the other page so I'm just gonna wing it- It's just one of those many questions everyone has for TBC, but they have no answer for. Like "How come Marzipan has no legs" or "Why does Bubs' mouth not move when he talks or just barely does"? It's one of those things the world may never know.--[[User:Gir007|Gir007]] 00:53, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

* If [[Homestar Runner|Homestar]] had arms, there would be holes in his shirt/skirt for them to come out of. I think this decisively shows that he must be telekinetic.

*How does Strong Bad type with boxing gloves on? --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 23:10, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

* Sorry to post anonymously, but I haven't created an account here yet. I think that the Brothers Chaps may have finally answered the arms vs. telekinesis question with the recent Strong Bad E-mail lady fan. Since Homestar's workout clothes include a leotard/onesie thing, the shoulder straps would fall if he didn't have *something* holding them up.

*To add to that (still anonymous diffrent poster) in the same E-mail Strong Bad slaps the scoisors out of Marzipan's hands, or the lack thereof. This implys that people with arms can interact with those without, giving play to the "invisble arms" argument.

:Homestar can manipulate more than two items telekenetically, which he could not do if he had invisible arms. I would second the significance of the lack of holes in Homestar's "red skirt", and I would also say that from watching Homestar (and the others) manipulate objects, it just looks more like they are levitating them than using invisible appendages. This no-armed whitey's powers of levitation may explain the hilarious blinking about of [[long pants]]: when upset so badly, his psychic powers blink him about. None of the references to the characters' hands or arms would be ironic or funny if we the audience were not supposed to believe that they had none. In the words of Strong Mad, "You don't have aaa-" [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 23:51, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

== They're not the only ones... ==

I happen to know, and I would really appreciate if no one asked me why I know, that the characters from [[Wikipedia:VeggieTales|VeggieTales]] also don't have arms, but can pick stuff up. Who came first, anyways?--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 23:41, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
:VeggieTales came first. [[User:PurpleKoopa|PurpleKoopa]] 21:58, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
::There's nothing wrong with liking VeggieTales, Jnelson09. They rock. One of my favorite jokes is in the one about Jericho where someone is giving a speech and everyone applauds. One of the characters leans to another and says, "''How'' are we clapping??" Good stuff. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:57, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
:::It's not that I ''like'' VeggieTales (honestly, I think they're weird, no offense), it's just that I saw it a few times, and the first time I saw Homestar in [[Experimental Film]], it just reminded me of that.--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 23:14, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

== Something Worth Knowing ==

There's an article on Homestar's discussion page about the "no arms" mystery, but it discusses the reasoning behind the lack of arms. Anybody care to add to it?

== The Wheelchair ==

The Wheelchair does 'technically' have arms(handles). And even if not so, this isn't a character that should actually be designed to have arms. Shouldn't the title of that section be labeled differently, instead of just listing what abscure characters don't have arms? If your intention is that, then why not add "The Huuuuuudge" and other mentioned characters without libs? {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 22:35, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
:I think the main point of including the Wheelchair is that it has been seen manipulating an object if it had arms--or, rather, invisible ones. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::That's it exactly. The Wheelchair opened a pot of burled cabbage with invisible arms. This page isn't discussing the armrests, but actual manipulative arms we cannot see but have seen evidence of. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::It might be worth having a closer look at some of the characters on this page: I'm not sure all of them have ever been seen moving objects as though they had invisible arms. It seems to me this page shouuld ''only'' feature those characters who have done so, not just any character with no visible arms. I'll check up on this when I have more time. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 22:43, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
:::A list and a check if there is a verified example of proof there are arms that are not invisible, and not just no arms:

*{{done}}Homestar Runner
*{{done}}Marzipan
*{{done}}The King of Town
*{{done}}Homsar ([[Homestar Presents: Presents]] - using paintbrush as bell)
*{{done}}The Yodeling Man (he holds the horn somehow)
*{{done}}The Knight (bass drum mallets in [[Fall Float Parade]]
*{{done}}The Little Chef Guy
*{{todo}}The Prince of Town
*{{done}}The Goblin (unzips costume in [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]])
*{{todo}}The Sad Kids
*{{done}}The Homestar Runner (parsnip soup)
*{{done}}Old-Timey Marzipan
*{{done}}1-Up (puuding)
*{{done}}The Wheelchair (burled cabbage)
*{{todo}}Unnamed Girl
*{{todo}}Homeschool Winner
*{{todo}}The Unguraits

:::Add checks and confirmations as you find them. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:54, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::::The chef guy seems to be holding a knife somehow, but he doesn't move it at all. The others are all unconfirmed, as far as I know. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::Shouldn't we be able to assume that The Prince of Town has invisible arms, as he is the storybook counterpart to The King of Town? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:06, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::Wasn't Homsar holding a paintbrush in [[Homestar Presents: Presents]]? I think that would count... {{User:Saturn/sig}} 23:39, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::::He was also holding a magic wand and dropped a bunch of confetti in [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]]. Good call. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::'''(Edit Conflict)''' I'd also suggest that any character who looks human or vaguely human (The Sad Kids, Unnamed Girl, etc) should also be considered as having invisible arms if they're not actually shown. If you choose to accept that, then this leave The Goblin, Homeschool Winner and the Unguraits. And you can probably assume that Homsar and Homeschool Winner have the same or similar qualities to Homestar Runner, since they are similar creatures. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:41, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
*Prince Of Town: hey, maybe if they aren't arms but are telekinesis, he hadn't yet developed the power at that point. Add to that the PoT is apocryphal, and I see no reason to assume he has arms.
*The Goblin, The Unguraits: possibly no arms. Probably, even, considering we don't know their physiology. By that logic we add Da Huuudge and other such nonsense.
*The Sad Kids, Unnamed Girl, Homeschool: while we might deduce by analogy that they must have arms, there remains no proof, and therefore we don't actually know for sure.
I think The Goblin and The Unguraits should be removed, and the others debated. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:08, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
:How about if we put them in a separate section? "Debatable/Unproven Characters" or something like that? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 03:45, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
::That sounds like a good idea. I could see removing the Goblin and the Unguraits (especially the Unguraits), but I think there's enough to assume that the prince, the kids, the girl, and Homeschool meet the criteria for this page, even without explicit proof. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:01, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
:::If [[:Image:goblin arms fangs.PNG|The Goblin was gonna have arms]], that means he doesn't have now. I say confirmed. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:19, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
::::I don't see how that picture of the Goblin confirms that he has no arms at all. If anything, it confirms for me that he has invisible arms. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:40, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and moved all the questionables to a new subsection: "Debatable Characters". Is that good enough? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:09, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

If the Goblin doesn't have invisible arms or telekenesis, how does he properly disguise himself as Strong Bad in [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]]? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:43, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

:The same way [[Homsar]] can hang upside down and still keep his hat on. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:56, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
::I don't understand what you mean. The Strong Bad costume moved its arms and opened its own zipper, so the Goblin had to have been manipulating it somehow... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:59, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
:::How about this theory: It's just is. Trying to found out how he did that is like trying to find out how Strong Bad types with boxing gloves on. They just do. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 08:24, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
::::Then that makes this entire debate (and article) moot. How does Homestar pick stuff up? He just does. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:25, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::Jay's point on The Goblin is valid, he should be moved out of Debatable Characters. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 16:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::Updated the item upstairs, too. The Goblin is confirmed. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 01:14, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

:(Preserved from top of page, by Anonymous Contributor)
:'''Hey Wait a moment...'''
:Didn't the goblin unzip that costume?

== Invisible Hands Only theorem ==

I consider [[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy]] canon, so Homestar (and presumably the rest of the cast) really doesn't have arms, invisible or otherwise. However, Marzipan clearly have hands, so this is how I think things work:

Each armless character has two invisible hands, which are manipulated psychokinetically. These hands are the only things that can be so manipulated. [[User:Meneth|Meneth]] 06:46, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Only, Homestar has been seen manipulating at least three things before. In [[time capsule]], for example, he was seen holding the gross old wig, the box it came in, and the lid to the box all at once. - [[User: Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]

Homestar definately just has hands, no arms. Anyone notice that almost none of Homestar's shirts have any sleeves for an "arm" to go through? - [[User: ThomasO|ThomasO]]

:I think that's part of the joke. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 00:37, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Lack of Visible Arms

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Trelawney: /* No telekinetic abilities. Just arms. */

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The [[King of Town]] also doesn't appear to have any visible arms (nor does the Prince of Town in [[flashback]]), but no direct reference is made to this.

== He just gave me the bird! ==

:''Homestar flips Strong Bad off, and Strong Bad reacts as if he can see it.''

I think the joke in [[the bird]] was that Homestar "flips off" Strong Bad by responding "right back at you" to Strong Bad's Single Deuce, as if ''he didn't even need to'' flip a hand. Understand? --[[User:Sam Goldfish|Sam Goldfish]] 22:31, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:...Actually, you're right, I think. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:Yeah, I was about to make that very same comment before I saw I was beaten to it. If not totally removed, I think the entry should be heavily reworded. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 03:42, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::Nah, it's supposed to be taken straightforward; Homestar ''really'' flips him the bird. If somebody merely ''told me'' they were flipping me off, I don't think I would take it as badly as Strong Bad does. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:08, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
:::I had always seen it as a real, invisible one rather than "it's the thought that counts." I'm not arguing definitely against that. ''But'' a little bit of humor in the whole email comes from the fact that ''none'' of the flip-offs are visible, since even the characters with visible hands lack independent finger movement. Strong Bad's and Pom Pom's "deuces" are mere hand movements, yet all the characters seem to be perceiving the gesture. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:48, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::::All we know for certain is that Homestar says "right back atcha," which (since it's Homestar) probably means that he either didn't see or didn't understand the gesture. (I mean two different things by that: "didn't see" would be due to the boxing gloves; "didn't understand" would be due to him being Homestar.) We do not know that Homestar really made any "hand gestures" at all, invisible hands or no; he probably just thought Strong Bad was waving, hence the "right back atcha." Since the joke works whether Homestar is actually making an invisible hand gesture or not, time to apply Occham's (sp?) Razor. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:01, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::::PS. Abdi makes a good point. The only main characters who could make a visible "bird" would be Strong Mad, Strong Sad, and The Poopsmith, none of whom appeared in that email.
::::Exactly! Homestar thought Strong Bad was waving! I get it now! As for Strong Bad taking it so bad, I think that's part of the joke: He can dish it out, but he can't take it. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 06:33, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::Though note that [[Strong Mad]] would be the only one who could do it properly, as he has five fingers, while [[Strong Sad]] and [[The Poopsmith]] have four.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:55, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::Dot com is right: It is clear that Homestar's gesture or lack thereof was taken by Strong Bad as an actual one-fingered salute. We should take it just as seriously as we take Strong Bad and Pom Pom's deuces. Yes, he may have thought Strong Bad was just "waving", but if he did, it appears that he "waved" back, and therefore, for all practical purposes, Homestar did in fact flip Strong Bad off. I hope that wasn't ridiculouly confusing; I feel like I'm rambling. If it doesn't make sense, let me know; I'll try to clarify. [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 07:07, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::The quotation marks on waving seem to convey it just right. Couldn't have said it better myself (and I tried to above). {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 18:24, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

I really think you guys are overanalyzing this. The joke was that you can't see either Strong Bad or Pom Pom's gestures - just the suggestion of them given the context. The joke is continued when Strong Bad "flips off" Homestar, and Homestar just reflects it right back. Given the lack of visible evidence, but also given Strong Bad's responses to both Pom Pom ("Pom Pom prefers the single deuce") and Homestar ("He just gave me the bird!"), I think it's safe to assume that the gesture (visible only to Strong Bad) was repeated both times. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 19:47, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:I've always perceived this as exactly how the current wording explains it. Strong Bad flips Homestar off, so Homestar responds by flipping Strong Bad off, and Strong Bad reacts as if he can see it. It doesn't need any more explanation than that. In fact, it's funny precisely because it's ambiguous. Let's not squeeze the poop out of the fly here. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:04, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::I'm willing to believe that Homestar doesn't actually understand the gesture - he's pretty dim. Say you're from another country, and you've never seen or heard of the middle-finger gesture before. Someone does it to you, and you might interpret it as a friendly gesture and do it right back to them. Of course, the first person might then be offended by it. Since Homestar generally tends to have memory lapses and is otherwise just a dim-witted fellow to begin with, I think it's perfectly reasonable to interpret this as him seeing the flip-off and just not understanding it. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:10, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::As my mother always said: It's the thought that counts. It doesn't metter if they actualy did it or not. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:11, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::I think the joke here is the ambiguity. Is Homestar wittily flashing the bird back, or does he not realize the back of String Bad's boxing glove is actually the finger, making his response a wave? That's what puts the hummor in the situation. I don't think we can take SB's reply as evidence to support either side. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 20:14, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::Hence the original statement: Strong Bad reacts as though he can see (the gesture). - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:19, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::Proposed Revision: ''"When Strong Bad flips off Homestar, Homestar apparently returns the gesture, causing Strong Bad's feelings to be hurt."'' - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:21, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::Meh, the feelings hurt part is not that relevant. The key is that Strong Bad says, "He just gave me the bird," something someone wouldn't be expected to say if they hadn't actually been flipped off. This whole page is based on trying to interpret something that doesn't make sense in the real world. Its purpose is to highlight the ambiguity where we find it. I think there's enough support for including the instance found in [[the bird]] to put it back on the page, but I suggest my own revision: ''Strong Bad flips Homestar off, and after Homestar replies "Right back atcha," Strong Bad exclaims, "He just gave me the bird!"'' — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:53, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::Sounds good to me. That's nice and unambiguous. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:57, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::Yes, very good. It's got no speculation. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

That sounds re-ZON-able. (Or however you spell that.) [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 23:03, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

I just think that Homestar's, Marzipan's, the KOT's, etc. arms are invisible to us, the viewers, but they are visible to the charcaters in the cartoon. It makes sense.

== Pic? ==

Which do you think we should use for this article's picture? I'm for Homestar's "arms" from [[fingers]].-{{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:EDIT: Lunar Jesters uploaded[http://www.hrwiki.org/images/7/7f/Homestar%27s_Arms.PNG]. I like it.{{User:Kookykman/sig}}

== Page Title ==
Invisible Arms? I don't think that Homestar, Marzi & KOT have arms at all. I think it's some kind of force field or something. I mean, the fact about time capsule (Homestar holding three things at once) was already declined on STUFF because the majority of people here think it's not clear that Homestar has arms as such. Can we get a better name for this page? And perhaps remove that dubious fact? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 23:06, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:How about "Ambiguious Arms" or simply "Arms"? {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::I don't like just "arms" because this page is actually about ''lack of'' arms. Say, how about "Lack of Arms" ;) {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 23:08, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:::"Lack of Arms" has the same problem that "Invisible Arms" has. Namely, it assumes as fact one of the possible explanations for the situation. (I admit I chose "Invisible Arms" because that's the camp I'm in. Is there something (besides just "Arms") that is more neutral?) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:10, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::Well, I did propose Ambiguous Arms earlier... - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::"Ambiguous Arms" is a step in the right direction, although something about it (maybe the alliteration?) doesn't sound quite right to me. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:14, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the alliteration kind of threw me off, too. *looks up synonyms* "ambiguous, cryptic, dark, darkling, deep, enigmatic (also enigmatical), equivocal, inscrutable, murky, mysterious, mystic, nebulous, occult." Not a good list. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::How about "Vague"? - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:19, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::What about "Extremities"? Homestar uses that term in the DVD commentary in [[time capsule]]. :) - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:18, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::That has the same problem as just "Arms", though. :P - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::Yeah, "Extremities" doesn't really address the adjective problem. How about "Missing or Invisible Arms"? "The Arm Situation"? "No Visible Arms"? "How the Crap Do They Pick Stuff Up"? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:21, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::::"Missing or Invisible Arms" does adress both sides of the problem. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::"Vague Extremities", then. :) - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:22, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
I say "Arms?"—with the question mark. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:23, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:Looking at my most recent list, I like "No Visible Arms." It gets the point across, it's easy to remember, and it works for both completely missing arms and arms that are just invisible. Plus, it can be worked into a fun fact: "This is another reference to Homestar's having [[Lack of Visible Arms|no visible arms]]." — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:25, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::I'm for "No Visible Arms". {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::Yeah, that's a good solution to all sides. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:30, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::I'm going to move it in about 5 minutes if there's no objections. {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::Well, now let's give everyone a chance to weigh in. Just to be thorough, here are the choices so far:
:::::*This is another reference to Homestar's [[Lack of Visible Arms|missing or invisible arms]].
:::::*This is another reference to Homestar's [[Lack of Visible Arms|ambiguous arms]In].
:::::*This is another reference to the [[Lack of Visible Arms|arm situation]].
:::::*[[Lack of Visible Arms|How the crap do they pick stuff up?]] (just kidding).
:::::*This is another reference to Homestar's having [[Lack of Visible Arms|no visible arms]].
:::::— [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
::::::Alright, I'll wait. Though, looking at that list, it looks pretty obvious. :) - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

::::::I'll go along with '''no visible arms'''. It seems the best of both worlds. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::It's a bit awkward, but I'd go with "No Visible Arms." How about "Lack of Visible Arms"? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 23:57, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::::The point of "no visible arms" is that it will be linked easily from fun facts pages (see the list above) - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::::"This is another reference to Homestar's [[Lack of Visible Arms|lack of visible arms]]." It sounds better, see? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 00:00, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::You're right. "Lack of Visible Arms" does sound better. We're going to need a clear agreement before we move it. Any way we could have a quick STUFF-style vote, or should we just move it now? - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

::::::::::I emphatically agree that a negative statement about visible arms is the way to go (it makes no statement about invisible or none), and I enthusiastically agree with H. Coder that "Homestar's lack" is preferable to "Homestar's having." That gerund gamme the gerbblies. (Not to be confused with the gerbilys.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 00:26, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'd say '''lack of visible arms''' is good too. As long as it finally gets a name everyone can agree on, yeah? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::::::::::Done. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:46, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

== Homestar's perception ==
Note that just because clearly Strong Bad and Strong Mad are of the opinion he doesn't have arms doesn't prove it for sure; that's ''their'' opinion. Homestar seems to think he does. This could be Homestar being delusional, or one could argue that he ought to know best. Seems to me this is similar to the pants issue—he maintains he's wearing pants although others disagree. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:30, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

== Sarcasm? ==

When Strong Bad notes that Marzipan has "really nice hands" in the Yellow Dello commentary, I think it's possible that he was being sarcastic. His tone (notice his emphasis on the word "hands"), combined with the fact that he seems to have a pretty good handle on just who has arms in Free Country U.S.A, indicates that he may have been making a joke. Of course, that doesn't mean Homestar's agreement wasn't completely earnest... [[User:Rocketlex|Rocketlex]] 00:13, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
:No, I'm pretty sure it was TBC who were making the joke. It's a sort of dramatic irony- the audience knows that Marzipan has no arms, but for the moment the characters don't seem to. It wouldn't be funny if Strong Bad was referring to some invisible hands that were "really nice".[[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 23:42, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

== Another character with no visible arms ==

[[The Wheelchair]] is seen lifting the lid to his pot of burled holiday cabbage in [[Decemberween Sweet Cuppin' Cakes]]. Any significance? - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 21:51, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
:Sure, add it on. He has definitely got no arms. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::Done. Added a note that he actually DOES have visible arms, but they don't move. (You can see the arms, but they obviously aren't designed to pick things up. :)) - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 22:18, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
:::Good call on adding the wheelchair. But I have to disagree, he does not have arms. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 22:57, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
::::Uh, he means the wheels. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 23:02, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::I meant the wheels? Actually, I ''was'' talking about the arms (the parts that you'd rest your arms on if you were sitting in a wheelchair. I had forgotten that The Wheelchair's arms (in this case) serve as his mouth. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:05, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::Nevermind. I didn't do any fact checking. I am probably just going crazy...again. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 23:28, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

== Not quite so visible ==

Be it in another page or this page, [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Fall_Float_Parade&diff=206146&oldid=206084 this] might be a good idea! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:51, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
:Hey, we added the bit about Strong Bad "flicking" Strong Sad's "ears" to the Type-With-Boxing-Gloves page... I see nothing wrong with this. And the coach must have some sort of mouth, as we've seen him blow a whistle AND eat... But it might just be an invisible one. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== No telekinetic abilities. Just arms. ==

This is my opinion on it, taken from the Homestar talk page:

If you want something close to proof, look at [[the bird]]. But really, you're just analyzing it too hard. Look at his eyes on the picture in the upper left. They're clearly on the front of his head, with him facing diagonally. Notice that you can see the underside of the hat? Notice the mouth is seen from a diagonal angle? It's like an Egyptian painting. Yes, the puppet has the eyes on the side, but can't you tell that's just to make it work in real life? It's a cartoon, it's like Egyptian paintings, it doesn't have to be exactly like that in real life. There is no real life, in fact, so reality is simply what the creators intended. How can he flip Strong Bad the bird with telepathic abilities? It's like Pom-Pom's voice, they can understand it but we can't. The arms exist but we can't see them. His eyes are just eyes. </rant> [[User:Uh...Cwapface|Uh...Cwapface]] 03:44, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Ummm..I totally forgot what I wrote on the other page so I'm just gonna wing it- It's just one of those many questions everyone has for TBC, but they have no answer for. Like "How come Marzipan has no legs" or "Why does Bubs' mouth not move when he talks or just barely does"? It's one of those things the world may never know.--[[User:Gir007|Gir007]] 00:53, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

* If [[Homestar Runner|Homestar]] had arms, there would be holes in his shirt/skirt for them to come out of. I think this decisively shows that he must be telekinetic.

*How does Strong Bad type with boxing gloves on? --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 23:10, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

* Sorry to post anonymously, but I haven't created an account here yet. I think that the Brothers Chaps may have finally answered the arms vs. telekinesis question with the recent Strong Bad E-mail lady fan. Since Homestar's workout clothes include a leotard/onesie thing, the shoulder straps would fall if he didn't have *something* holding them up.

*To add to that (still anonymous diffrent poster) in the same E-mail Strong Bad slaps the scoisors out of Marzipan's hands, or the lack thereof. This implys that people with arms can interact with those without, giving play to the "invisble arms" argument.

:Homestar can manipulate more than two items telekenetically, which he could not do if he had invisible arms. I would second the significance of the lack of holes in Homestar's "red skirt", and I would also say that from watching Homestar (and the others) manipulate objects, it just looks more like they are levitating them than using invisible appendages. This no-armed whitey's pwers of levitation may explain the hilarious blinking about of [[long pants]]: when upset so badly, his psychic powers blink him about. None of the references to the characters' hands or arms would be ironic or funny if we the audience were not supposed to believe that they had none. In the words of Strong Mad, "You don't have aaa-" [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 23:51, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

== They're not the only ones... ==

I happen to know, and I would really appreciate if no one asked me why I know, that the characters from [[Wikipedia:VeggieTales|VeggieTales]] also don't have arms, but can pick stuff up. Who came first, anyways?--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 23:41, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
:VeggieTales came first. [[User:PurpleKoopa|PurpleKoopa]] 21:58, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
::There's nothing wrong with liking VeggieTales, Jnelson09. They rock. One of my favorite jokes is in the one about Jericho where someone is giving a speech and everyone applauds. One of the characters leans to another and says, "''How'' are we clapping??" Good stuff. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:57, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
:::It's not that I ''like'' VeggieTales (honestly, I think they're weird, no offense), it's just that I saw it a few times, and the first time I saw Homestar in [[Experimental Film]], it just reminded me of that.--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 23:14, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

== Something Worth Knowing ==

There's an article on Homestar's discussion page about the "no arms" mystery, but it discusses the reasoning behind the lack of arms. Anybody care to add to it?

== The Wheelchair ==

The Wheelchair does 'technically' have arms(handles). And even if not so, this isn't a character that should actually be designed to have arms. Shouldn't the title of that section be labeled differently, instead of just listing what abscure characters don't have arms? If your intention is that, then why not add "The Huuuuuudge" and other mentioned characters without libs? {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 22:35, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
:I think the main point of including the Wheelchair is that it has been seen manipulating an object if it had arms--or, rather, invisible ones. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::That's it exactly. The Wheelchair opened a pot of burled cabbage with invisible arms. This page isn't discussing the armrests, but actual manipulative arms we cannot see but have seen evidence of. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::It might be worth having a closer look at some of the characters on this page: I'm not sure all of them have ever been seen moving objects as though they had invisible arms. It seems to me this page shouuld ''only'' feature those characters who have done so, not just any character with no visible arms. I'll check up on this when I have more time. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 22:43, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
:::A list and a check if there is a verified example of proof there are arms that are not invisible, and not just no arms:

*{{done}}Homestar Runner
*{{done}}Marzipan
*{{done}}The King of Town
*{{done}}Homsar ([[Homestar Presents: Presents]] - using paintbrush as bell)
*{{done}}The Yodeling Man (he holds the horn somehow)
*{{done}}The Knight (bass drum mallets in [[Fall Float Parade]]
*{{done}}The Little Chef Guy
*{{todo}}The Prince of Town
*{{done}}The Goblin (unzips costume in [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]])
*{{todo}}The Sad Kids
*{{done}}The Homestar Runner (parsnip soup)
*{{done}}Old-Timey Marzipan
*{{done}}1-Up (puuding)
*{{done}}The Wheelchair (burled cabbage)
*{{todo}}Unnamed Girl
*{{todo}}Homeschool Winner
*{{todo}}The Unguraits

:::Add checks and confirmations as you find them. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:54, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::::The chef guy seems to be holding a knife somehow, but he doesn't move it at all. The others are all unconfirmed, as far as I know. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::Shouldn't we be able to assume that The Prince of Town has invisible arms, as he is the storybook counterpart to The King of Town? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:06, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::Wasn't Homsar holding a paintbrush in [[Homestar Presents: Presents]]? I think that would count... {{User:Saturn/sig}} 23:39, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::::He was also holding a magic wand and dropped a bunch of confetti in [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]]. Good call. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::'''(Edit Conflict)''' I'd also suggest that any character who looks human or vaguely human (The Sad Kids, Unnamed Girl, etc) should also be considered as having invisible arms if they're not actually shown. If you choose to accept that, then this leave The Goblin, Homeschool Winner and the Unguraits. And you can probably assume that Homsar and Homeschool Winner have the same or similar qualities to Homestar Runner, since they are similar creatures. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:41, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
*Prince Of Town: hey, maybe if they aren't arms but are telekinesis, he hadn't yet developed the power at that point. Add to that the PoT is apocryphal, and I see no reason to assume he has arms.
*The Goblin, The Unguraits: possibly no arms. Probably, even, considering we don't know their physiology. By that logic we add Da Huuudge and other such nonsense.
*The Sad Kids, Unnamed Girl, Homeschool: while we might deduce by analogy that they must have arms, there remains no proof, and therefore we don't actually know for sure.
I think The Goblin and The Unguraits should be removed, and the others debated. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:08, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
:How about if we put them in a separate section? "Debatable/Unproven Characters" or something like that? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 03:45, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
::That sounds like a good idea. I could see removing the Goblin and the Unguraits (especially the Unguraits), but I think there's enough to assume that the prince, the kids, the girl, and Homeschool meet the criteria for this page, even without explicit proof. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:01, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
:::If [[:Image:goblin arms fangs.PNG|The Goblin was gonna have arms]], that means he doesn't have now. I say confirmed. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:19, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
::::I don't see how that picture of the Goblin confirms that he has no arms at all. If anything, it confirms for me that he has invisible arms. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:40, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and moved all the questionables to a new subsection: "Debatable Characters". Is that good enough? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:09, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

If the Goblin doesn't have invisible arms or telekenesis, how does he properly disguise himself as Strong Bad in [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]]? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:43, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

:The same way [[Homsar]] can hang upside down and still keep his hat on. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:56, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
::I don't understand what you mean. The Strong Bad costume moved its arms and opened its own zipper, so the Goblin had to have been manipulating it somehow... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:59, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
:::How about this theory: It's just is. Trying to found out how he did that is like trying to find out how Strong Bad types with boxing gloves on. They just do. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 08:24, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
::::Then that makes this entire debate (and article) moot. How does Homestar pick stuff up? He just does. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:25, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::Jay's point on The Goblin is valid, he should be moved out of Debatable Characters. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 16:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::Updated the item upstairs, too. The Goblin is confirmed. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 01:14, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

:(Preserved from top of page, by Anonymous Contributor)
:'''Hey Wait a moment...'''
:Didn't the goblin unzip that costume?

== Invisible Hands Only theorem ==

I consider [[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy]] canon, so Homestar (and presumably the rest of the cast) really doesn't have arms, invisible or otherwise. However, Marzipan clearly have hands, so this is how I think things work:

Each armless character has two invisible hands, which are manipulated psychokinetically. These hands are the only things that can be so manipulated. [[User:Meneth|Meneth]] 06:46, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Only, Homestar has been seen manipulating at least three things before. In [[time capsule]], for example, he was seen holding the gross old wig, the box it came in, and the lid to the box all at once. - [[User: Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]

Homestar definately just has hands, no arms. Anyone notice that almost none of Homestar's shirts have any sleeves for an "arm" to go through? - [[User: ThomasO|ThomasO]]

:I think that's part of the joke. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 00:37, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Lack of Visible Arms

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The [[King of Town]] also doesn't appear to have any visible arms (nor does the Prince of Town in [[flashback]]), but no direct reference is made to this.

== He just gave me the bird! ==

:''Homestar flips Strong Bad off, and Strong Bad reacts as if he can see it.''

I think the joke in [[the bird]] was that Homestar "flips off" Strong Bad by responding "right back at you" to Strong Bad's Single Deuce, as if ''he didn't even need to'' flip a hand. Understand? --[[User:Sam Goldfish|Sam Goldfish]] 22:31, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:...Actually, you're right, I think. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:Yeah, I was about to make that very same comment before I saw I was beaten to it. If not totally removed, I think the entry should be heavily reworded. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 03:42, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::Nah, it's supposed to be taken straightforward; Homestar ''really'' flips him the bird. If somebody merely ''told me'' they were flipping me off, I don't think I would take it as badly as Strong Bad does. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:08, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
:::I had always seen it as a real, invisible one rather than "it's the thought that counts." I'm not arguing definitely against that. ''But'' a little bit of humor in the whole email comes from the fact that ''none'' of the flip-offs are visible, since even the characters with visible hands lack independent finger movement. Strong Bad's and Pom Pom's "deuces" are mere hand movements, yet all the characters seem to be perceiving the gesture. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:48, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::::All we know for certain is that Homestar says "right back atcha," which (since it's Homestar) probably means that he either didn't see or didn't understand the gesture. (I mean two different things by that: "didn't see" would be due to the boxing gloves; "didn't understand" would be due to him being Homestar.) We do not know that Homestar really made any "hand gestures" at all, invisible hands or no; he probably just thought Strong Bad was waving, hence the "right back atcha." Since the joke works whether Homestar is actually making an invisible hand gesture or not, time to apply Occham's (sp?) Razor. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:01, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::::PS. Abdi makes a good point. The only main characters who could make a visible "bird" would be Strong Mad, Strong Sad, and The Poopsmith, none of whom appeared in that email.
::::Exactly! Homestar thought Strong Bad was waving! I get it now! As for Strong Bad taking it so bad, I think that's part of the joke: He can dish it out, but he can't take it. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 06:33, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::Though note that [[Strong Mad]] would be the only one who could do it properly, as he has five fingers, while [[Strong Sad]] and [[The Poopsmith]] have four.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:55, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::Dot com is right: It is clear that Homestar's gesture or lack thereof was taken by Strong Bad as an actual one-fingered salute. We should take it just as seriously as we take Strong Bad and Pom Pom's deuces. Yes, he may have thought Strong Bad was just "waving", but if he did, it appears that he "waved" back, and therefore, for all practical purposes, Homestar did in fact flip Strong Bad off. I hope that wasn't ridiculouly confusing; I feel like I'm rambling. If it doesn't make sense, let me know; I'll try to clarify. [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 07:07, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::The quotation marks on waving seem to convey it just right. Couldn't have said it better myself (and I tried to above). {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 18:24, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

I really think you guys are overanalyzing this. The joke was that you can't see either Strong Bad or Pom Pom's gestures - just the suggestion of them given the context. The joke is continued when Strong Bad "flips off" Homestar, and Homestar just reflects it right back. Given the lack of visible evidence, but also given Strong Bad's responses to both Pom Pom ("Pom Pom prefers the single deuce") and Homestar ("He just gave me the bird!"), I think it's safe to assume that the gesture (visible only to Strong Bad) was repeated both times. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 19:47, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:I've always perceived this as exactly how the current wording explains it. Strong Bad flips Homestar off, so Homestar responds by flipping Strong Bad off, and Strong Bad reacts as if he can see it. It doesn't need any more explanation than that. In fact, it's funny precisely because it's ambiguous. Let's not squeeze the poop out of the fly here. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:04, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::I'm willing to believe that Homestar doesn't actually understand the gesture - he's pretty dim. Say you're from another country, and you've never seen or heard of the middle-finger gesture before. Someone does it to you, and you might interpret it as a friendly gesture and do it right back to them. Of course, the first person might then be offended by it. Since Homestar generally tends to have memory lapses and is otherwise just a dim-witted fellow to begin with, I think it's perfectly reasonable to interpret this as him seeing the flip-off and just not understanding it. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:10, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::As my mother always said: It's the thought that counts. It doesn't metter if they actualy did it or not. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:11, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::I think the joke here is the ambiguity. Is Homestar wittily flashing the bird back, or does he not realize the back of String Bad's boxing glove is actually the finger, making his response a wave? That's what puts the hummor in the situation. I don't think we can take SB's reply as evidence to support either side. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 20:14, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::Hence the original statement: Strong Bad reacts as though he can see (the gesture). - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:19, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::Proposed Revision: ''"When Strong Bad flips off Homestar, Homestar apparently returns the gesture, causing Strong Bad's feelings to be hurt."'' - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:21, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::Meh, the feelings hurt part is not that relevant. The key is that Strong Bad says, "He just gave me the bird," something someone wouldn't be expected to say if they hadn't actually been flipped off. This whole page is based on trying to interpret something that doesn't make sense in the real world. Its purpose is to highlight the ambiguity where we find it. I think there's enough support for including the instance found in [[the bird]] to put it back on the page, but I suggest my own revision: ''Strong Bad flips Homestar off, and after Homestar replies "Right back atcha," Strong Bad exclaims, "He just gave me the bird!"'' — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:53, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::Sounds good to me. That's nice and unambiguous. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 20:57, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::Yes, very good. It's got no speculation. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

That sounds re-ZON-able. (Or however you spell that.) [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 23:03, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

I just think that Homestar's, Marzipan's, the KOT's, etc. arms are invisible to us, the viewers, but they are visible to the charcaters in the cartoon. It makes sense.

== Pic? ==

Which do you think we should use for this article's picture? I'm for Homestar's "arms" from [[fingers]].-{{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:EDIT: Lunar Jesters uploaded[http://www.hrwiki.org/images/7/7f/Homestar%27s_Arms.PNG]. I like it.{{User:Kookykman/sig}}

== Page Title ==
Invisible Arms? I don't think that Homestar, Marzi & KOT have arms at all. I think it's some kind of force field or something. I mean, the fact about time capsule (Homestar holding three things at once) was already declined on STUFF because the majority of people here think it's not clear that Homestar has arms as such. Can we get a better name for this page? And perhaps remove that dubious fact? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 23:06, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:How about "Ambiguious Arms" or simply "Arms"? {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::I don't like just "arms" because this page is actually about ''lack of'' arms. Say, how about "Lack of Arms" ;) {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 23:08, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:::"Lack of Arms" has the same problem that "Invisible Arms" has. Namely, it assumes as fact one of the possible explanations for the situation. (I admit I chose "Invisible Arms" because that's the camp I'm in. Is there something (besides just "Arms") that is more neutral?) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:10, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::Well, I did propose Ambiguous Arms earlier... - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::"Ambiguous Arms" is a step in the right direction, although something about it (maybe the alliteration?) doesn't sound quite right to me. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:14, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::Yes, the alliteration kind of threw me off, too. *looks up synonyms* "ambiguous, cryptic, dark, darkling, deep, enigmatic (also enigmatical), equivocal, inscrutable, murky, mysterious, mystic, nebulous, occult." Not a good list. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::How about "Vague"? - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:19, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::What about "Extremities"? Homestar uses that term in the DVD commentary in [[time capsule]]. :) - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:18, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::That has the same problem as just "Arms", though. :P - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::Yeah, "Extremities" doesn't really address the adjective problem. How about "Missing or Invisible Arms"? "The Arm Situation"? "No Visible Arms"? "How the Crap Do They Pick Stuff Up"? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:21, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::::"Missing or Invisible Arms" does adress both sides of the problem. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::"Vague Extremities", then. :) - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:22, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
I say "Arms?"—with the question mark. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:23, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
:Looking at my most recent list, I like "No Visible Arms." It gets the point across, it's easy to remember, and it works for both completely missing arms and arms that are just invisible. Plus, it can be worked into a fun fact: "This is another reference to Homestar's having [[Lack of Visible Arms|no visible arms]]." — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:25, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::I'm for "No Visible Arms". {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::Yeah, that's a good solution to all sides. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:30, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::I'm going to move it in about 5 minutes if there's no objections. {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::Well, now let's give everyone a chance to weigh in. Just to be thorough, here are the choices so far:
:::::*This is another reference to Homestar's [[Lack of Visible Arms|missing or invisible arms]].
:::::*This is another reference to Homestar's [[Lack of Visible Arms|ambiguous arms]In].
:::::*This is another reference to the [[Lack of Visible Arms|arm situation]].
:::::*[[Lack of Visible Arms|How the crap do they pick stuff up?]] (just kidding).
:::::*This is another reference to Homestar's having [[Lack of Visible Arms|no visible arms]].
:::::— [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
::::::Alright, I'll wait. Though, looking at that list, it looks pretty obvious. :) - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

::::::I'll go along with '''no visible arms'''. It seems the best of both worlds. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::It's a bit awkward, but I'd go with "No Visible Arms." How about "Lack of Visible Arms"? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 23:57, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::::The point of "no visible arms" is that it will be linked easily from fun facts pages (see the list above) - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::::"This is another reference to Homestar's [[Lack of Visible Arms|lack of visible arms]]." It sounds better, see? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 00:00, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::You're right. "Lack of Visible Arms" does sound better. We're going to need a clear agreement before we move it. Any way we could have a quick STUFF-style vote, or should we just move it now? - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

::::::::::I emphatically agree that a negative statement about visible arms is the way to go (it makes no statement about invisible or none), and I enthusiastically agree with H. Coder that "Homestar's lack" is preferable to "Homestar's having." That gerund gamme the gerbblies. (Not to be confused with the gerbilys.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 00:26, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'd say '''lack of visible arms''' is good too. As long as it finally gets a name everyone can agree on, yeah? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::::::::::Done. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:46, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

== Homestar's perception ==
Note that just because clearly Strong Bad and Strong Mad are of the opinion he doesn't have arms doesn't prove it for sure; that's ''their'' opinion. Homestar seems to think he does. This could be Homestar being delusional, or one could argue that he ought to know best. Seems to me this is similar to the pants issue—he maintains he's wearing pants although others disagree. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:30, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

== Sarcasm? ==

When Strong Bad notes that Marzipan has "really nice hands" in the Yellow Dello commentary, I think it's possible that he was being sarcastic. His tone (notice his emphasis on the word "hands"), combined with the fact that he seems to have a pretty good handle on just who has arms in Free Country U.S.A, indicates that he may have been making a joke. Of course, that doesn't mean Homestar's agreement wasn't completely earnest... [[User:Rocketlex|Rocketlex]] 00:13, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
:No, I'm pretty sure it was TBC who were making the joke. It's a sort of dramatic irony- the audience knows that Marzipan has no arms, but for the moment the characters don't seem to. It wouldn't be funny if Strong Bad was referring to some invisible hands that were "really nice".[[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 23:42, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

== Another character with no visible arms ==

[[The Wheelchair]] is seen lifting the lid to his pot of burled holiday cabbage in [[Decemberween Sweet Cuppin' Cakes]]. Any significance? - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 21:51, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
:Sure, add it on. He has definitely got no arms. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::Done. Added a note that he actually DOES have visible arms, but they don't move. (You can see the arms, but they obviously aren't designed to pick things up. :)) - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 22:18, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
:::Good call on adding the wheelchair. But I have to disagree, he does not have arms. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 22:57, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
::::Uh, he means the wheels. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 23:02, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
:::::I meant the wheels? Actually, I ''was'' talking about the arms (the parts that you'd rest your arms on if you were sitting in a wheelchair. I had forgotten that The Wheelchair's arms (in this case) serve as his mouth. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:05, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
::::::Nevermind. I didn't do any fact checking. I am probably just going crazy...again. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 23:28, 31 October 2005 (UTC)

== Not quite so visible ==

Be it in another page or this page, [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Fall_Float_Parade&diff=206146&oldid=206084 this] might be a good idea! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:51, 27 November 2005 (UTC)
:Hey, we added the bit about Strong Bad "flicking" Strong Sad's "ears" to the Type-With-Boxing-Gloves page... I see nothing wrong with this. And the coach must have some sort of mouth, as we've seen him blow a whistle AND eat... But it might just be an invisible one. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== No telekinetic abilities. Just arms. ==

This is my opinion on it, taken from the Homestar talk page:

If you want something close to proof, look at [[the bird]]. But really, you're just analyzing it too hard. Look at his eyes on the picture in the upper left. They're clearly on the front of his head, with him facing diagonally. Notice that you can see the underside of the hat? Notice the mouth is seen from a diagonal angle? It's like an Egyptian painting. Yes, the puppet has the eyes on the side, but can't you tell that's just to make it work in real life? It's a cartoon, it's like Egyptian paintings, it doesn't have to be exactly like that in real life. There is no real life, in fact, so reality is simply what the creators intended. How can he flip Strong Bad the bird with telepathic abilities? It's like Pom-Pom's voice, they can understand it but we can't. The arms exist but we can't see them. His eyes are just eyes. </rant> [[User:Uh...Cwapface|Uh...Cwapface]] 03:44, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Ummm..I totally forgot what I wrote on the other page so I'm just gonna wing it- It's just one of those many questions everyone has for TBC, but they have no answer for. Like "How come Marzipan has no legs" or "Why does Bubs' mouth not move when he talks or just barely does"? It's one of those things the world may never know.--[[User:Gir007|Gir007]] 00:53, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

* If [[Homestar Runner|Homestar]] had arms, there would be holes in his shirt/skirt for them to come out of. I think this decisively shows that he must be telekinetic.

*How does Strong Bad type with boxing gloves on? --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 23:10, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

* Sorry to post anonymously, but I haven't created an account here yet. I think that the Brothers Chaps may have finally answered the arms vs. telekinesis question with the recent Strong Bad E-mail lady fan. Since Homestar's workout clothes include a leotard/onesie thing, the shoulder straps would fall if he didn't have *something* holding them up.

**To add to that (still anonymous diffrent poster) in the same E-mail Strong Bad slaps the scoisors out of Marzipan's hands, or the lack thereof. This implys that people with arms can interact with those without, giving play to the "invisble arms" argument.

== They're not the only ones... ==

I happen to know, and I would really appreciate if no one asked me why I know, that the characters from [[Wikipedia:VeggieTales|VeggieTales]] also don't have arms, but can pick stuff up. Who came first, anyways?--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 23:41, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
:VeggieTales came first. [[User:PurpleKoopa|PurpleKoopa]] 21:58, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
::There's nothing wrong with liking VeggieTales, Jnelson09. They rock. One of my favorite jokes is in the one about Jericho where someone is giving a speech and everyone applauds. One of the characters leans to another and says, "''How'' are we clapping??" Good stuff. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:57, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
:::It's not that I ''like'' VeggieTales (honestly, I think they're weird, no offense), it's just that I saw it a few times, and the first time I saw Homestar in [[Experimental Film]], it just reminded me of that.--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 23:14, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

== Something Worth Knowing ==

There's an article on Homestar's discussion page about the "no arms" mystery, but it discusses the reasoning behind the lack of arms. Anybody care to add to it?

== The Wheelchair ==

The Wheelchair does 'technically' have arms(handles). And even if not so, this isn't a character that should actually be designed to have arms. Shouldn't the title of that section be labeled differently, instead of just listing what abscure characters don't have arms? If your intention is that, then why not add "The Huuuuuudge" and other mentioned characters without libs? {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 22:35, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
:I think the main point of including the Wheelchair is that it has been seen manipulating an object if it had arms--or, rather, invisible ones. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::That's it exactly. The Wheelchair opened a pot of burled cabbage with invisible arms. This page isn't discussing the armrests, but actual manipulative arms we cannot see but have seen evidence of. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::It might be worth having a closer look at some of the characters on this page: I'm not sure all of them have ever been seen moving objects as though they had invisible arms. It seems to me this page shouuld ''only'' feature those characters who have done so, not just any character with no visible arms. I'll check up on this when I have more time. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 22:43, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
:::A list and a check if there is a verified example of proof there are arms that are not invisible, and not just no arms:

*{{done}}Homestar Runner
*{{done}}Marzipan
*{{done}}The King of Town
*{{done}}Homsar ([[Homestar Presents: Presents]] - using paintbrush as bell)
*{{done}}The Yodeling Man (he holds the horn somehow)
*{{done}}The Knight (bass drum mallets in [[Fall Float Parade]]
*{{done}}The Little Chef Guy
*{{todo}}The Prince of Town
*{{done}}The Goblin (unzips costume in [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]])
*{{todo}}The Sad Kids
*{{done}}The Homestar Runner (parsnip soup)
*{{done}}Old-Timey Marzipan
*{{done}}1-Up (puuding)
*{{done}}The Wheelchair (burled cabbage)
*{{todo}}Unnamed Girl
*{{todo}}Homeschool Winner
*{{todo}}The Unguraits

:::Add checks and confirmations as you find them. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:54, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::::The chef guy seems to be holding a knife somehow, but he doesn't move it at all. The others are all unconfirmed, as far as I know. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::Shouldn't we be able to assume that The Prince of Town has invisible arms, as he is the storybook counterpart to The King of Town? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:06, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::Wasn't Homsar holding a paintbrush in [[Homestar Presents: Presents]]? I think that would count... {{User:Saturn/sig}} 23:39, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::::He was also holding a magic wand and dropped a bunch of confetti in [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]]. Good call. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:44, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::'''(Edit Conflict)''' I'd also suggest that any character who looks human or vaguely human (The Sad Kids, Unnamed Girl, etc) should also be considered as having invisible arms if they're not actually shown. If you choose to accept that, then this leave The Goblin, Homeschool Winner and the Unguraits. And you can probably assume that Homsar and Homeschool Winner have the same or similar qualities to Homestar Runner, since they are similar creatures. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:41, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
*Prince Of Town: hey, maybe if they aren't arms but are telekinesis, he hadn't yet developed the power at that point. Add to that the PoT is apocryphal, and I see no reason to assume he has arms.
*The Goblin, The Unguraits: possibly no arms. Probably, even, considering we don't know their physiology. By that logic we add Da Huuudge and other such nonsense.
*The Sad Kids, Unnamed Girl, Homeschool: while we might deduce by analogy that they must have arms, there remains no proof, and therefore we don't actually know for sure.
I think The Goblin and The Unguraits should be removed, and the others debated. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:08, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
:How about if we put them in a separate section? "Debatable/Unproven Characters" or something like that? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 03:45, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
::That sounds like a good idea. I could see removing the Goblin and the Unguraits (especially the Unguraits), but I think there's enough to assume that the prince, the kids, the girl, and Homeschool meet the criteria for this page, even without explicit proof. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:01, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
:::If [[:Image:goblin arms fangs.PNG|The Goblin was gonna have arms]], that means he doesn't have now. I say confirmed. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:19, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
::::I don't see how that picture of the Goblin confirms that he has no arms at all. If anything, it confirms for me that he has invisible arms. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:40, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

I went ahead and moved all the questionables to a new subsection: "Debatable Characters". Is that good enough? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:09, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

If the Goblin doesn't have invisible arms or telekenesis, how does he properly disguise himself as Strong Bad in [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]]? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:43, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

:The same way [[Homsar]] can hang upside down and still keep his hat on. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:56, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
::I don't understand what you mean. The Strong Bad costume moved its arms and opened its own zipper, so the Goblin had to have been manipulating it somehow... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:59, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
:::How about this theory: It's just is. Trying to found out how he did that is like trying to find out how Strong Bad types with boxing gloves on. They just do. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 08:24, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
::::Then that makes this entire debate (and article) moot. How does Homestar pick stuff up? He just does. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:25, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::Jay's point on The Goblin is valid, he should be moved out of Debatable Characters. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 16:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::Updated the item upstairs, too. The Goblin is confirmed. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 01:14, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

:(Preserved from top of page, by Anonymous Contributor)
:'''Hey Wait a moment...'''
:Didn't the goblin unzip that costume?

== Invisible Hands Only theorem ==

I consider [[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy]] canon, so Homestar (and presumably the rest of the cast) really doesn't have arms, invisible or otherwise. However, Marzipan clearly have hands, so this is how I think things work:

Each armless character has two invisible hands, which are manipulated psychokinetically. These hands are the only things that can be so manipulated. [[User:Meneth|Meneth]] 06:46, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Only, Homestar has been seen manipulating at least three things before. In [[time capsule]], for example, he was seen holding the gross old wig, the box it came in, and the lid to the box all at once. - [[User: Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]

Homestar definately just has hands, no arms. Anyone notice that almost none of Homestar's shirts have any sleeves for an "arm" to go through? - [[User: ThomasO|ThomasO]]

:I think that's part of the joke. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 00:37, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Main Page

2006-05-07T23:51:09Z

Trelawney: /* HAPPY SCC DAY! */

{{Main Page Talk}}

== Everyperson and cheat go to www.gamefaqs.com now. ==

After the pank page, at the main page there a poll of the day: This weeks one was gibberish until i found this:

Poll of the Day ? Snakes on a Plane 0.999~ = 1 You Bought An N-Gage, Didn't You? All Your Base Are Belong To Us YOUR HEAD A SPLODE LUEshi O RLY? YA RLY!

Ps: I'm using Mozila firefox, so it doesn't turn out the same, but go to it now!!?

PPS: Sorry if i yell or demand from all of you guys and the cheats.

Nikolce Kocovski 06:01, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

:Yeah, the poll of the day's probably over by now. I did notice it though, a nice addition to "sightings". (I voted for "YOUR HEAD A SPLODE") ;) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 08:54, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

::I voted for LUEshi, of course. It's my duty. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 14:48, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

:::What does that *mean*, anyhow? -[[User:YK|YK]] 21:35, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
::::See [[Wikipedia:GameFAQs message boards#LUE|LUE]] and [[Wikipedia:Yoshi|Yoshi]], then see [[Wikipedia:LUEshi|LUEshi]]. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 21:37, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::Well, the weirdest stuff becomes popular, I guess... Thanks for clearing that up. -<strike>Y2K</strike> [[User:YK|YK]] 04:28, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

== File Download? ==

Whenever I click the edit tab at the top of any page, it comes up with a window asking me if I want to save a file. The file is "index.php". I always click "Cancel" to be on the safe side but that means I can't edit. Strangely, it haven't got this problem before and it doesn't appear if I try to edit anonymously. Also, I can edit without getting this window if I edit a section, revert a page or start a new comment (like what I am doing now). It's only if I click on the edit tab at the top. Does this happen to anyone else and is the file OK to save? Please help because I can't edit efficently! {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:33, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
:"Good news, everyone!" "I think I has the soloution!" OK, enough quotes. The main thing is, I don't have the File Download problem anymore! I think because of yesterday's April Fool's prank, my preferences got messed up somehow. You see, I had the "Use external editor by default" option checked which really meant "Download files onto my computer so they can be edited in a text editing program". By unchecking this option, it doesn't try to save any files so there's no more problems! "Thanks for your help, you old broom stick!" {{User:The Chort/sig}} 18:43, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

== HA HA, I knew it! ==
Man, that was funny! NOT! No hard feelings, though.--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 16:48, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
:I actually enjoyed the prank. It's just that when people pretending to be other people say it's real that it gets annoying.—[[User:StrongstarRunbad|S*R]] 17:28, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
::Bitterly hinting at me does ''not'' change anything, WeakSquareWalkGood. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 17:38, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
:::Not just you; there were others. I'm just too lazy to browse the archives.—[[User:StrongstarRunbad|S*R]] 23:23, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

== WikiTikiTavi & server load ==

Is WikiTikiTavi really easier on a single server than MediaWiki, or was that a joke as well? [[User:Jecowa|Jecowa]] 16:49, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

*Probably, considering that WTT is a less powerful engine, but it is pretty unlikely that there would be a need to switch softwares. The pages may have been less because there was less formatting, but images seem to me to be the most demanding. {{User:Dylnuge/sig}} 17:09, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

::All that stuff about 'Tavi being better for our setup was made up. In fact, it was purposely exaggerated a bit so that people would realize it was a joke. 'Tavi wouldn't stand a chance running our wiki, which is why we switched away from it in the first place. Happy April Fool's! — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:17, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

:::I really enjoyed the prank until gullible people started yelling that it was happening and switching sigs. Now I'm almost afraid of what's up y'all's sleeves for next year! =P —[[User:StrongstarRunbad|S*R]] 02:15, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

== Format ==

Come on, guys! That Tavi prank was kind of in poor taste. You really had me convinced, though. I'll give you that. Could you knid of avoid doing that? It had me seriously concerned.--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 18:11, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

:Eh, I thought it was really funny. I was serious when I said I was happy to use the WTT software, though. Not only was it a prank, but it was a special treat for people who didn't get to use it/a source of nostalga for older users. I'm looking forward to seeing how they top it next year. --{{User:acekirby13/sig}} 18:50, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
By the way, for those who are wondering, there's already been a ''lot'' of conversation today that's been [[HRWiki:Main Page Talk Archive 11|archived]]. I don't want to rehash any of that, but I do want to seize the opportunity to get preachy as usual. This whole thing had ''me'' "seriously concerned," for a number of reasons.
#A number of people knew, or were fairly sure, that it was a joke, but were very angry anyway and talked about crying for hours, leaving forever, or doing unspecified things with machine guns. I'm concerned about these people senses of humor. In particular it was called "cruel" more than once. People spoke as though we'd called a transportation strike in NYC, instead of simply changed the appearance (not even the functionality!) of a reference website about an Internet cartoon. If losing the soft blues and reds of the HRWiki really caused you substantial pain and suffering, then maybe the wiki is a ''little'' too important in your life!
#A number of other people decided it was for real, and reacted even more violently. Now, in their defense, it's kind of understandable that a change that huge, enacted with ''no'' warning or discussion, would raise some ruckus (see the next point: ''that's why it wouldn't happen!''). But I'm concerned about this demographic, too, and their ability to handle change. What if this ''had'' been real? I was really saddened to see that so many people were ready to simply throw in the towel and walk away, or used their departure as threats. While it's safe to say that this particular change will never happen around here, Change, in general, happens. Relationships break up. Parents remarry. You get a new boss. You get in a car wreck. If you can't handle your wiki changing color, how are you going to roll with ''those'' punches?
#Finally, for both groups, a word of stern comfort. At one point, JoeyDay [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=next&oldid=298224 said] that the sysops had been discussing the change for a long time in [[HRWiki:Da Basement|Da Basement]], and that it had been archived by now. A lot of people did a lot of tricks with code and other techie methods of trying to prove or disprove that it was a hoax, but ''all it really took was following up on his claim.'' There was no discussion there, archived or otherwise. And that brings me to the heart of today's sermon. '''This kind of change wouldn't happen without a lot of discussion and wiki consensus.''' Remember? That's how things are done around here. We vote on stuff. We talk about it incessantly for weeks. The wiki is not "run" by sysops or admins in the sense that they randomly decide, in secret, to do something and then put it in place overnight. (Um... hehe... with the exception of this once.) ''This'' concerns me, that people would seriously think a change like that that affected everyone would be enacted without discussion, warning, input, or participation. I would hope people trust the sysops ''not'' to pull something like that, or, if they did, would stand up to them and supportively, constructively, but courageously tell them it's not right.
#In conclusion:
#Perspective is good;
#Change is inevitable (except from a vending machine);
#Give the wiki more credit;
#Investigate explanations; and
#When in doubt... '''chill.''' (If we were steering a [[Nuclear Class Submarine "Soccermom"|Nuclear Class Submarine]], a moments' hesitation or reflection and a relaxed attitude would be deadly. ''We're not.'')
#This concludes How To Make April Fool's Educational in Ten Easy Steps. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:57, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

:For the record, I trusted the sysops completely. I think that that's a sign of how truly good you guys were. But I still can't see why there was so many people trying to prove it wrong. I heard countless people (you know who you are) trying to prove to me that it was a prank. I ''cannot believe'' that you thought there would be ''any'' benefit in ruining the prank for everyone. Why? Why did you think it was so imperative to make sure people knew and the sysop's trick was ruined? Because even if I knew, at least I would keep a secret better. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 21:56, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
::Oh, and for once, I actually got preachy before Abdi. It just got deleted by Dot com. Yay! — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 21:57, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
:::The difference here, of course, is that AbdiViklas has the wisdom and authority to be preachy. When he speaks, you should listen. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:56, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
::::And I have. The thing is, though, is whether or not I had the wisdom, at least there was meaning. It wasn't mistaking this place as a soapbox as you so "kindly" put it. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 00:16, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::There were ''two'' criteria listed above, not just one. Wisdom was just the first of the two. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:49, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::"Authority" is now needed to try to make the Wiki a better place, I'm assuming? - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::Um, no. But you ''do'' need some authority before you publicly address the wiki as a whole. Let me clarify that I don't mean that sysops are the only ones with any authority. Lots of users have it to some degree, and in particular it comes with making good edits, showing good judgement, having experience, and being noticed for those things. Also, if you're going to address the wiki, it helps when what you're posting is, well, correct, and what was originally posted here was ''incorrect''. It tried to sum up the April 1 events while we were still in the midst of them, and it didn't take into account the fact that it was all just a prank. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:27, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Even if you don't, you need to give people more credit. You criticize other people for not having a sense of humor without realizing that all the people you're talking about were JOKING! Did you honestly think anyone cared that much about it? -[[User:Unknownwarrior33|Unknownwarrior33]] 22:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::What? This conversation is a month old. What are you talking about? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:52, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::I realize that, but I figured it was worthwhile and it couldn't hurt. I apologize if I inadvertantly broke a rule or something. -[[User:Unknownwarrior33|Unknownwarrior33]] 22:57, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::It's more of a guideline than a rule, really. But you still didn't explain what you meant. Are you suggesting that the people who freaked out over the prank were just ''pretending'' to be upset and were really just playing along? If so, I do not agree at all with that assessment of the shenanigans. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:48, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::Sorry for breaking that guideline and not fully explaining myself. But yes, that is what I meant. -[[User:Unknownwarrior33|Gryff]] 21:06, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

==Yet Another Prank-Related Topic==

I knew it had to be a prank, I'm no wiki expert but I know enough to know that Tavi couldn't possibly work. Good acting job, though! {{User:Granola/sig}} 22:01, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

:I knew it was a joke because the Captcha extension I designed was still working properly on the site. n0dalus

<big><big>Not Another Prank-Related Topic</big></big>
----
I knew it was a prank because, well... I saw it happen first hand. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:19, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

:I knew it was a prank after I viewed the source code that showed "tavistyle.css," saw that [[Special:Version]] still said they were using MediaWiki, saw that all of the article names still had spaces/underscores in them (something distinctly ''not'' a feature of WikkiTikkiTavi without extensive custom modification--which they couldn't have done in a day), noticed that the "switch" was made arbitrarily in one day with no forewarning, and after all the other obvious giveaways (like when they started making up crap like "X32 caching," which I don't believe is actually real). -- {{User:Soapergem/sig}} 07:53, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
::I knew it was a prank because it wasn't how the admins usually behaved. They'd get all our approval, or at least tell of it first, and would try to format it to be more user-friendly and familiar before the switch, not months later. But I went along with it anyway to make it more confusing. I qualify as an "admin", right? >.> - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 14:01, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

:::I was too lazy to dig into the code to find out. See, doing that much work would defeat the original purpose of my coming to hrwiki.org (updates column is better than the "Whats New" button on H*R.com) - being too lazy to dig around and find out any H*R stuff I want to know for myself. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 14:14, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

::::I knew it was just an April Fool's prank when I saw [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Template:whatsnew&diff=prev&oldid=298514 this edit]. I tried to add it to this page but Lapper deleted it! "Next episode, Lapper! Next episooooode!" {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:18, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

:::::If I didn't already know about it beforehand, my first clues would probably be from the fact that all the pages (other than the main page) were all identical, and given how much pain it was (or at least seemed to be from looking at the history) to convert from 'tavi to MediaWiki in the first place. Then there's the fact that all the special pages, apart from existing at all for some of them, looked identical to before (watchlist, history, edit, etc, etc)... at that point I'd probably check things like the source code, [[Special:Specialpages]] and [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] to check it was really just MediaWiki. Then I'd laugh and join in the fun. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 14:23, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

=== WTT Theme? ===
Is there any chance that the prank theme will be made into an actual wiki-theme everyone else will use? It looked kind of cool. (I know the main page was changed to support it, but still.) --[[User:AndrewNeo|AndrewNeo]] 17:24, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

:[[User:It's dot com|Dot com]] was planning on doing that, yes. Watch for it in the next while most likely. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 17:26, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Great theme! But I did notice there's no link to the Fanstuff on the WTT skin. Could this possibly be fixed? -[[User:Lunar Jesters|Jesty]][[User talk:Lunar Jesters|Talk]] 10:47, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

:The fanstuff wiki link is on the fake main page. It wasn't a separate wiki back then and so isn't up in the links at the top. Since we were trying to make our prank as close to the original as possible (while still maintaining basic functionality), we didn't include it. I have enabled the skin choice in the preferences mostly for the sake of recording our history. If someone actually plans to use the skin on an everyday basis and needs the link, I'll consider going to the trouble to add it, but for now I'm not going to worry about it. Glad you like it overall, though! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:40, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

== Probably Another Prank-Related Topic - Underlying community problem? ==

Now, I may not be the king of enlightened observations, but a pretty good general rule of life is: "'''If your Wiki nearly blows itself up over a simple April Fool's prank, there may be some underlying problems in the community.'''" Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll just go back to my little corner of the Wiki and hide again. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:Yeah, I think you meant, "If your users blow themselves up over a simple prank, then they need to take a look in the mirror and ask themselves why they're freaking out over nothing." I could also make several generalizations about those who went bonkers, but I believe I'll postpone... — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:47, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
::<s>I think we may be thinking on the same wavelength when it comes to the generalizations, here. Either way, I did tend to mean the major "user gap" here, due to the NSMC newuser lock. We lost influx for the month that the lock was in place, then all came in a burst, having to learn the ropes at the same time. We've kind of been overwhelmed since. For visual reference:</s><pre>If you want to see the dang thing, look in the history. I'm sick of misinterpretations.</pre><s>Just kind of a quick mockup, you get the picture. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}</s>
Forget it, the whole thing was taken as some kind of ploy for superiority and eliteism by the "oldbies". - {{User:Kookykman/sig}} 00:53, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

:I love that graph. It reminds me of MS-DOS for some reason. :D [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]

:: I think the graph realy shows...something. I was around as a user during the User gap but I didn't learn any thing. {{User:pieinbubsface/sig}} 02:29, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

:::Heh, nice little graph you got there, pretty accurate, if you ask me. I like the term "Era of Good Feelings". {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 02:35, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

::::The term "Era of Good Feelings" seems to me designed to alienate and offend new users like me who are genuinely trying to be useful and intelligent contributors to the community. But that's just me. {{User:Bassbone/sig}} 07:18, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

::::I don't know; I'm not doubting your graph so much as the idea that it's connected to Saturday's ruckus. Most of the people making the most noise were major users (as opposed to occasional ones). And actually I'm not all that convinced of the graph now that you mention it; I predate NSMC, and when I joined there were a number of prominent users and minor users both who dropped off the radar since ([[User:Thesmokingmonkey|Thesmokingmonkey]] comes to mind). And back then there were both kinds of users joining too, and the occasional spammer and/or minor vandal. No, I think the only difference is we're seeing the exponential growth in popularity of the wiki, so we simply have ''more'' of everything now than we did a year ago. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:28, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

:::::Woah, I'm sorry about the "Era of Good Feelings" thing. It was just supposed to be a stupid reference to the time in American history after the War of 1812 when Federalist party dissolved and there were few disagreements. The graph wasn't meant to alienate anyone, or claim superiority of pre-NSMC users. Also, Abdi, sorry about making it look like there were no spammers or vandals pre-NSMC, I should've made that apparent. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}} 20:41, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

::::::This will sound strange, but, does ANYONE like me here? I joined after the "era of good feelings", because I couldn't join during it. So, what? You're gonna sacrifice other possible users, um, userdom for yourself? I mean, if the wiki's gettin' hit hard, I can understand a 1 or 2 day block of all IPs and new users, maybe even a week, but, this one was like a month or two. So, seriously, this "Era of Good Feelings" can be renamed "Era of Selfishness". Sorry, just I hate it when users say the time I had to sit here and bookmark all of the pages I found errors in and couldn't fix was a "happy time". And, no offense to anyone, just, please everyone, stop saying it was a happy time. It truely wasn't for me. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 22:41, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Why does everyone think that I unilaterally hate every new person? When did I say that? I've been saying there are some 'troublemakers' since the boom, but we've gained some awesome new people! Bluebry, '''you're''' constructive, amazingly! One of the best of the new bunch! - {{User:Kookykman/sig}} This happens everytime I open my stupid yap. I dig a hole for myself.

:Oh! Wait. I just read the thing above mine. Umm, I retract my statement. And to Kooky: Thanks! {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 00:54, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

::Hey, I should be the one thanking you. Sorry about not explaining myself earlier. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

:::Why not thank each other? {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 01:57, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
:I for one hated the "Era of Good Feelings". It was okay for a while, but then things started slowing down, expecially that little subwiki thing you may or may not have heard of. Didn't help how H*R stopped updating for a month. >.> - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 16:47, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

== HEEELP ==

I have an account that dosen't have lowercase letters and it won't let me in!
:What's your username? {{User:LePorello/sig}} 15:59, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

:You sure it's ''here'' and not at the forum or fanstuff? All three are separate accounts. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 23:20, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

==Strong Bad's lack of knowledge of the current date==

Should there be a page on Strong Bad's commonly dating things "1987", "1998", etc?

:First of all, you can check [[1987]] for mentions of the year. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 01:20, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
::That doens't mean he doens't know the current date. He kind of screwed it up at the end of [[alternate universe]], however. {{User:Ed smildE/signature}} 01:32, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
::What about Trogdor Con '97 or Awexome Cross '98?

== Sort of Ironic But... ==

It's sort of ironic that I'm posting this here...but would it make sense to create a [[HRWiki:General Discussion]] page for general discussion instead of having it all posted here? I'm not saying that it's a problem that general discussion is found here, I'm just saying that it would make more sense. -[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 01:30, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

:It has pretty much become wikihabit to use Talk:Main Page not for discussing the Main Page, but for general discussion relating to the wiki. I don't believe that we need a seperate page. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 01:32, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

::Also the [[HRWiki talk:The Stick|talk page for our community portal]] is another place things are discussed. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:28, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

== [[Special:BrokenRedirects]] ==

Hey, I'm gettin' ome weird things, will someone verify if it's just my compy/browser (Mozilla Suite, if it helps) or if it's some error in the software. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 01:50, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
:This is what I see:
:#[[User talk:Yeltensic]] (Edit) → [[User:Yeltensic ]]
:#[[Game Boy in a Blender]] (Edit) → [[Special:Undelete]]
:More or less, anyways. What's yours like? Am I correct in thinking these are links that redirect to a page that doesn't exist...? Never seen anything in the list before, so... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::That's it. I just thought it was really weird. Anyone know the problem/solution? {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 02:03, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
:::[[User talk:Yeltensic]] does not contain a redirect. [[Game Boy in a Blender]] redirects to [[Blender]]. No idea why these 2 would be listed. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:10, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
::::I am now showing no broken redirects. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:15, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::I am now showing the [[Game Boy in a Blender]] one. ! {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:16, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::Same as me. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 02:17, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Dot com's under the sink with the wrenches now. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:18, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Dunno how it got messed up in the first place, but I fixed the problem. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:19, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Mr. Dot com, you fixed the Wiki. How did- what's your secret? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:19, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

==Something Weird on my Talkpages==

This might be related to the subject above (I see that my old talkpage was mentioned). I got a notification e-mail for my old talkpage ([[User talk:Yeltensic]]), saying that it had been edited by Dot com, but when I went there it was unchanged (I checked the history). Then, when I logged in as Granola, I got the "new messages" box, but that talkpage was also unchanged. {{User:Granola/sig}} 03:23, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, I had to pull some strings to get the database to reset itself. It should be normal now. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:36, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
::Oh, I guess it thought you had edited the pages because of that. I was puzzled at first as to why you were posting on my old talkpage, when I saw the e-mail. Anyway, good work fixing the database. {{User:Granola/sig}} 04:23, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

== Pics ==

Can these pics be used?: [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/1/1e/Boll.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/6/6e/Clock.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/c/c1/Stinkomann.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/7/77/Sbhead.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/d/de/Sbe.PNG] [http://homestarrunner.com/hsicons/sbIM1.gif] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/b/bc/Sbemail.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/f/ff/Lady_fan.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/b/bd/Sbdoll.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/8/80/Weirdsb.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/f/fb/Sbposter.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/5/58/AAHSB%21.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/a/ae/Rhinofeedstrongbad.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/b/b7/Zone.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/3/3c/Zzold.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/0/03/Mariopaintstrongofbadness.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/6/69/Zzzzzzz.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/b/b2/Tgs.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/b/bf/Cakee.JPG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/2/26/System.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/1/18/Hat.PNG]

--{{User:The thing/sig}} 20:22, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

:Used where? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:36, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

::That's what I'm asking. --{{User:The thing/sig}} 20:45, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

:::These images were hotlinked from another website and we would never include them in an article in such a state. Please see [[HRWiki:Image use policy]] and [[HRWiki:Standards]] for more information. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:18, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

::::I meen to upload here. --{{User:The thing/sig}} 21:42, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

:::::I don't see any reason to upload those images at this time. If we have a genuine need for anything like that, we can easily generate our own versions. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:53, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

== I need help with adding pics 2 the site!!!! ==

Anyone who knows how to add pictures/images and other helpfull hints please tell me....

-Krosskid91

:For images, please visit [[Help:Image]]. For learning other syntax, try the pages listed in [[:Category:Help]]. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 22:00, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

==Is it over?==

Is H*R over?! I mean, no new updates. Sewiouswy!

:Yep, it's over. We can all go back to work now. No, actually they're talking a little break for the Easter holidays, in all likelihood, and there'll be more soon. Don't forget Mike and Missy are startting a family too, so that takes time as well. Patience. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:56, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

::Don't forget the Great Drought of December '05 - January '06. That was a lot longer then the drought that's going on right now. They're probably just taking a break from all the 150th email work. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 21:58, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

::I didn't give it a second thought. Heh. - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 00:00, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

:::Yeah, but now I'm getting worried. Someone live in the Atlanta area check to see if they're okay?--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 15:46, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

::::C'mon. It's way, ''way'' too early to hit the panic button. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:58, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::Sadly, it appears that Don Chapman, Mike and Matt's dad, died this weekend. See [http://www.legacy.com/atlanta/Obituaries.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonID=17419376 his obituary]. I ask that we all please ''not panic'' and that we bear with the Chapmans in this difficult time. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 16:04, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::Is that so...Funny how we thought at the Great Drought of 05-06, someone had died and then it turned out the Chappos were still alive. Now...no wonder there's been a drought. I'll wait. --[[User:Kiwi|I
Survived the Great Drought of '05-'06!]] 16:13, 18 April 2006
:::::::While there hasn't been any new *site* content lately, there *were* a few store updates and a new Podstar Runner toon, so it's not like they're doing *nothing*. -{{User:YK/sig}} 20:16, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Should the notice about Don Chapman's death be posted on the wiki main page, and not just the recent changes? I wish I wasn't just some random fan so I could give them my condolences. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]
:::::::::Having gone through loss of family myself a few times, I assure you, the last thing they want is to have their private mourning invaded by countless web fans. I'd strongly advise against making any gestures in that regard, as heartfelt as they are surely intended. I happen to know Joey has expressed condolances on behalf of the HRWiki community; my opinion is we leave it at that. Keep them in your thoughts and/or prayers, for sure. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:13, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

::::::::::Trelawney, see [[User talk:It's dot com#We need the "Recent Changes" notice to be at the top of every page.|my note here]]. Thanks. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:17, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

==Sbemails gone==
When I accessed the Sbemail page on the official site, the list was completley gone. The page was there, but there were no emails, and pressing the random button took you to 404'd. I tried to access them directly by URL, but it didn't work. What's really wierd is that the toons still work. Does anyone know what's happening? - {{User:NachoMan/sig}}00:23, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
:It's working for me. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:25, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::I'm watching sbemail72 right now. Works fine, so does the list. You may have experienced a temporary server glitch or perhaps a user-side browser malfunction. Clear your cache and try it again. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:26, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
:::Fine with my browser. Which one do you have? {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 00:27, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::::Well, I was using AOL to not take up too many windows. I tryed it in Internet Explorer and it worked again. Tanks. - {{User:NachoMan/sig}}00:30, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

== MediaWiki 1.6 ==

When excactly are we upgrading to 1.6? {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 05:00, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
:Well, that's a good question. Let's say ''soon''—hopefully this week, but probably in the following week or two. There were 65 hacks to this version that each have to be checked and, if necessary, incorporated into the new version. I am nearly done with the non-captcha part of that. I also have to make sure all the extensions, hooks, and custom special pages work as expected, but I don't anticipate that being much of an issue. The sticking point is the reintegration of our captcha system, which will have to be completely overhauled. You can bet that we'll upgrade within a couple of days of when that's done. Hope that answers your questions. ''(Note: this is barring unforeseen circumstances, like being brought before the Spanish Inquisition, which of course nobody expects. You should therefore be careful about quoting me on any of this.)'' — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:36, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*hides crimson capes*</nowiki> {{User:Bassbone/sig}} 06:40, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
:::What's new in 1.6? {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 16:20, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
::::See [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.6#What.27s_new_in_1.6 here]. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 16:23, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::Aha! Native support for a CAPTCHA. I assume we're going to stick with the fancy multicolored, sometimes hard to read one we've got now. I've found the one at meta.wikimedia.org to be profane at times since it seems to just throw up random English words. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 01:06, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

==Notice==
{| cellpadding=3 class="messagebox" style="margin:auto; background-color: #d2d2d2; color:#000; text-align: center; border: 2px #000 solid; font-size: 90%;" |
| It is with great sadness that we inform you that [[The Brothers Chaps|The Brothers Chaps]]' father, [[Don and Harriet Chapman|Don Chapman]], has passed away Saturday April 15th. Please keep the Chapman family in your hearts and minds in the coming weeks, and please don't complain about a lack of updates or pester them with emails. Thanks so much. — [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:28, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
|}

== Weird Secret ==

I was in the WayBack thung and I found [http://web.archive.org/web/20030604125126/homestarrunner.com/__utm.js this]. It's not real anymore but, hmm... --{{User:The thing/sig}} 23:34, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

:The thing, I'm guessing that's not a secret at all. [http://www.google.com/analytics Urchin] is a web tracking suite that I've used in the past on my own website (it's now owned by Google and has been renamed to Google Analytics; notice how it says "formerly Urchin" in the footer of the page I linked to). It tracks hits, sessions, downloads, bandwidth, etc. and can give you cool statistics like which keywords people are using to search for your website and which browsers visitors are using. The file you've found seems to be one component of the Urchin application. You can also tell it has to do with maintenance because the filename starts with an underscore. Good find, though. You must've been digging around for a while to notice something like that. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 15:04, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

== SB email reorganization ==

I was looking around the Strong Bad email pages, and I found something irritating to me. Page names of the sbemail are not only uncapitalized, but don't have a link to the Main Sbemail page. I'm up for moving ''every'' (I know, I'm always trying to completely change the wiki) sbemail to a subpage of [[Strong Bad Email]]. This way, users would have a handy link to the main page, and the page name would be capitalized (Which for some reason I can't do without). Any declines, accepts, or other ideas? — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 20:22, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
:There is a link to the Strong Bad Email page on ''every'' wiki page. There is no reason at all to move anything. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:26, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
::Okay. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 20:29, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
:::The [[:Template:Strong Bad Email]] that appears on every Strong Bad Email article also contains a link to [[Strong Bad Email]]. Each email is an article itself, they are not subarticles. We also have special settings in place for the very reason that we wanted to be able to have lowercase Strong Bad Email article titles. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:31, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

== Kind of interesting ==

if only because we're explicitly mentioned. [http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=251&topic=27885046] I've saved a screenshot of it if anybody wants to see it after they purge it. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 06:35, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

== All Articles Page ==

For the first time, I clicked on the [[Special:Allpages|articles]] link on the Main Page, and the text that was displayed was {{Special:Allpages}}

I stared at the page for a few minutes, certain that this seemingly random collection of words was vandalism before I realized that they were names of mostly obscure articles.

So, I'm wondering if there's a better way to present this page. I understand that the object of the page is to divide up the articles into sections of the alphabet, but what if the page instead displayed (for example)
<pre>
$ to K
L to R
S to o
p to y
</pre>
(with appropriate links, of course)

I'm just thinking that if this page was confusing to me, it must be very confusing for newcomers to the Wiki. The above reformatting (or something like it) would make a lot more sense to the uninitiated, I think. Thanks! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:21, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I like the idea, though maybe it could say "$ to Ki", to be more accurate. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]

:It can't hurt to suggest that to the developers as an enhancement for future versions: http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 17:51, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

::Oh—is this an immutable part of the software? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:17, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

:::Well, ''nothing's'' immutable. In fact, anyone who wants to can suggest changes to [http://svn.wikimedia.org/viewvc/mediawiki/tags/REL1_6_5/phase3/includes/SpecialAllpages.php?view=markup the source file]. I personally, however, don't see this as a pressing need at this time. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:27, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

::::I see; thanks for your reply. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
If it's worth anything, that confused me as well, the first time I looked at it. {{User:Salty/sig}} 20:45, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

== HAPPY SCC DAY! ==

HAPPY SWEET CUPPIN' CAKES DAY EVERY ONE! For The third anniversary of SCC, I wrote a poem about [[Sherlock]]. Hope you like it. Ahem...
<blockquote class="email">
''Sherlock the Blue-Spotted Cowcopter 
''Had a very obscure murmur 
''And if you tried to tell him a joke 
''He would say he didn't indulge in Humor 
 
''All of the other SCCians 
''Used a giraffe to give him the blame 
''They never let him do his job 
''Getting The Worm out of his hole was a pain 
 
''Then one shiny May 5th eve 
''Hambledini came to say 
''"Sherlock with your spots so blue 
''"Won't you make some cabbage stew?" 
 
''Then all the other SCCians 
''Glitched and shouted out with glee 
''"Sherlock the Blue-Spotted Cowcopter 
''Where'd you get your soup tureen?" ''
</blockquote class>

Well, what do you think? I like it, do you? Thank you, thank you. This was a poem, by me, Homfrog. --{{User:Homfrog/sig}} 20:38, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
:Hey, that's pretty awesome. Good job. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 20:42, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

::Homfrog, this is the knowledge base wiki. Please post material like this over on the [[HRFWiki:Main Page|fanstuff wiki]]. Once you transfer it there, feel free to remove this section from the talk page. Thanks. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:52, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

:I like it! And a very happy belated Sweet Cuppin' Cakes day to you too! (Or would that be a very merry unSCC day?)[[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 23:51, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Main Page

2006-05-05T17:29:59Z

Trelawney: /* All Articles Page */

{{Main Page Talk}}

== Everyperson and cheat go to www.gamefaqs.com now. ==

After the pank page, at the main page there a poll of the day: This weeks one was gibberish until i found this:

Poll of the Day ? Snakes on a Plane 0.999~ = 1 You Bought An N-Gage, Didn't You? All Your Base Are Belong To Us YOUR HEAD A SPLODE LUEshi O RLY? YA RLY!

Ps: I'm using Mozila firefox, so it doesn't turn out the same, but go to it now!!?

PPS: Sorry if i yell or demand from all of you guys and the cheats.

Nikolce Kocovski 06:01, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

:Yeah, the poll of the day's probably over by now. I did notice it though, a nice addition to "sightings". (I voted for "YOUR HEAD A SPLODE") ;) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 08:54, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

::I voted for LUEshi, of course. It's my duty. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 14:48, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

:::What does that *mean*, anyhow? -[[User:YK|YK]] 21:35, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
::::See [[Wikipedia:GameFAQs message boards#LUE|LUE]] and [[Wikipedia:Yoshi|Yoshi]], then see [[Wikipedia:LUEshi|LUEshi]]. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 21:37, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::Well, the weirdest stuff becomes popular, I guess... Thanks for clearing that up. -<strike>Y2K</strike> [[User:YK|YK]] 04:28, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

== File Download? ==

Whenever I click the edit tab at the top of any page, it comes up with a window asking me if I want to save a file. The file is "index.php". I always click "Cancel" to be on the safe side but that means I can't edit. Strangely, it haven't got this problem before and it doesn't appear if I try to edit anonymously. Also, I can edit without getting this window if I edit a section, revert a page or start a new comment (like what I am doing now). It's only if I click on the edit tab at the top. Does this happen to anyone else and is the file OK to save? Please help because I can't edit efficently! {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:33, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
:"Good news, everyone!" "I think I has the soloution!" OK, enough quotes. The main thing is, I don't have the File Download problem anymore! I think because of yesterday's April Fool's prank, my preferences got messed up somehow. You see, I had the "Use external editor by default" option checked which really meant "Download files onto my computer so they can be edited in a text editing program". By unchecking this option, it doesn't try to save any files so there's no more problems! "Thanks for your help, you old broom stick!" {{User:The Chort/sig}} 18:43, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

== HA HA, I knew it! ==
Man, that was funny! NOT! No hard feelings, though.--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 16:48, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
:I actually enjoyed the prank. It's just that when people pretending to be other people say it's real that it gets annoying.—[[User:StrongstarRunbad|S*R]] 17:28, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
::Bitterly hinting at me does ''not'' change anything, WeakSquareWalkGood. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 17:38, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
:::Not just you; there were others. I'm just too lazy to browse the archives.—[[User:StrongstarRunbad|S*R]] 23:23, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

== WikiTikiTavi & server load ==

Is WikiTikiTavi really easier on a single server than MediaWiki, or was that a joke as well? [[User:Jecowa|Jecowa]] 16:49, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

*Probably, considering that WTT is a less powerful engine, but it is pretty unlikely that there would be a need to switch softwares. The pages may have been less because there was less formatting, but images seem to me to be the most demanding. {{User:Dylnuge/sig}} 17:09, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

::All that stuff about 'Tavi being better for our setup was made up. In fact, it was purposely exaggerated a bit so that people would realize it was a joke. 'Tavi wouldn't stand a chance running our wiki, which is why we switched away from it in the first place. Happy April Fool's! — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:17, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

:::I really enjoyed the prank until gullible people started yelling that it was happening and switching sigs. Now I'm almost afraid of what's up y'all's sleeves for next year! =P —[[User:StrongstarRunbad|S*R]] 02:15, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

== Format ==

Come on, guys! That Tavi prank was kind of in poor taste. You really had me convinced, though. I'll give you that. Could you knid of avoid doing that? It had me seriously concerned.--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 18:11, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

:Eh, I thought it was really funny. I was serious when I said I was happy to use the WTT software, though. Not only was it a prank, but it was a special treat for people who didn't get to use it/a source of nostalga for older users. I'm looking forward to seeing how they top it next year. --{{User:acekirby13/sig}} 18:50, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
By the way, for those who are wondering, there's already been a ''lot'' of conversation today that's been [[HRWiki:Main Page Talk Archive 11|archived]]. I don't want to rehash any of that, but I do want to seize the opportunity to get preachy as usual. This whole thing had ''me'' "seriously concerned," for a number of reasons.
#A number of people knew, or were fairly sure, that it was a joke, but were very angry anyway and talked about crying for hours, leaving forever, or doing unspecified things with machine guns. I'm concerned about these people senses of humor. In particular it was called "cruel" more than once. People spoke as though we'd called a transportation strike in NYC, instead of simply changed the appearance (not even the functionality!) of a reference website about an Internet cartoon. If losing the soft blues and reds of the HRWiki really caused you substantial pain and suffering, then maybe the wiki is a ''little'' too important in your life!
#A number of other people decided it was for real, and reacted even more violently. Now, in their defense, it's kind of understandable that a change that huge, enacted with ''no'' warning or discussion, would raise some ruckus (see the next point: ''that's why it wouldn't happen!''). But I'm concerned about this demographic, too, and their ability to handle change. What if this ''had'' been real? I was really saddened to see that so many people were ready to simply throw in the towel and walk away, or used their departure as threats. While it's safe to say that this particular change will never happen around here, Change, in general, happens. Relationships break up. Parents remarry. You get a new boss. You get in a car wreck. If you can't handle your wiki changing color, how are you going to roll with ''those'' punches?
#Finally, for both groups, a word of stern comfort. At one point, JoeyDay [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=next&oldid=298224 said] that the sysops had been discussing the change for a long time in [[HRWiki:Da Basement|Da Basement]], and that it had been archived by now. A lot of people did a lot of tricks with code and other techie methods of trying to prove or disprove that it was a hoax, but ''all it really took was following up on his claim.'' There was no discussion there, archived or otherwise. And that brings me to the heart of today's sermon. '''This kind of change wouldn't happen without a lot of discussion and wiki consensus.''' Remember? That's how things are done around here. We vote on stuff. We talk about it incessantly for weeks. The wiki is not "run" by sysops or admins in the sense that they randomly decide, in secret, to do something and then put it in place overnight. (Um... hehe... with the exception of this once.) ''This'' concerns me, that people would seriously think a change like that that affected everyone would be enacted without discussion, warning, input, or participation. I would hope people trust the sysops ''not'' to pull something like that, or, if they did, would stand up to them and supportively, constructively, but courageously tell them it's not right.
#In conclusion:
#Perspective is good;
#Change is inevitable (except from a vending machine);
#Give the wiki more credit;
#Investigate explanations; and
#When in doubt... '''chill.''' (If we were steering a [[Nuclear Class Submarine "Soccermom"|Nuclear Class Submarine]], a moments' hesitation or reflection and a relaxed attitude would be deadly. ''We're not.'')
#This concludes How To Make April Fool's Educational in Ten Easy Steps. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:57, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

:For the record, I trusted the sysops completely. I think that that's a sign of how truly good you guys were. But I still can't see why there was so many people trying to prove it wrong. I heard countless people (you know who you are) trying to prove to me that it was a prank. I ''cannot believe'' that you thought there would be ''any'' benefit in ruining the prank for everyone. Why? Why did you think it was so imperative to make sure people knew and the sysop's trick was ruined? Because even if I knew, at least I would keep a secret better. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 21:56, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
::Oh, and for once, I actually got preachy before Abdi. It just got deleted by Dot com. Yay! — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 21:57, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
:::The difference here, of course, is that AbdiViklas has the wisdom and authority to be preachy. When he speaks, you should listen. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:56, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
::::And I have. The thing is, though, is whether or not I had the wisdom, at least there was meaning. It wasn't mistaking this place as a soapbox as you so "kindly" put it. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 00:16, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::There were ''two'' criteria listed above, not just one. Wisdom was just the first of the two. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:49, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::"Authority" is now needed to try to make the Wiki a better place, I'm assuming? - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::Um, no. But you ''do'' need some authority before you publicly address the wiki as a whole. Let me clarify that I don't mean that sysops are the only ones with any authority. Lots of users have it to some degree, and in particular it comes with making good edits, showing good judgement, having experience, and being noticed for those things. Also, if you're going to address the wiki, it helps when what you're posting is, well, correct, and what was originally posted here was ''incorrect''. It tried to sum up the April 1 events while we were still in the midst of them, and it didn't take into account the fact that it was all just a prank. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:27, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Even if you don't, you need to give people more credit. You criticize other people for not having a sense of humor without realizing that all the people you're talking about were JOKING! Did you honestly think anyone cared that much about it? -[[User:Unknownwarrior33|Unknownwarrior33]] 22:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::What? This conversation is a month old. What are you talking about? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:52, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::I realize that, but I figured it was worthwhile and it couldn't hurt. I apologize if I inadvertantly broke a rule or something. -[[User:Unknownwarrior33|Unknownwarrior33]] 22:57, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::It's more of a guideline than a rule, really. But you still didn't explain what you meant. Are you suggesting that the people who freaked out over the prank were just ''pretending'' to be upset and were really just playing along? If so, I do not agree at all with that assessment of the shenanigans. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:48, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::Sorry for breaking that guideline and not fully explaining myself. But yes, that is what I meant. -[[User:Unknownwarrior33|Gryff]] 21:06, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

==Yet Another Prank-Related Topic==

I knew it had to be a prank, I'm no wiki expert but I know enough to know that Tavi couldn't possibly work. Good acting job, though! {{User:Granola/sig}} 22:01, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

:I knew it was a joke because the Captcha extension I designed was still working properly on the site. n0dalus

<big><big>Not Another Prank-Related Topic</big></big>
----
I knew it was a prank because, well... I saw it happen first hand. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:19, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

:I knew it was a prank after I viewed the source code that showed "tavistyle.css," saw that [[Special:Version]] still said they were using MediaWiki, saw that all of the article names still had spaces/underscores in them (something distinctly ''not'' a feature of WikkiTikkiTavi without extensive custom modification--which they couldn't have done in a day), noticed that the "switch" was made arbitrarily in one day with no forewarning, and after all the other obvious giveaways (like when they started making up crap like "X32 caching," which I don't believe is actually real). -- {{User:Soapergem/sig}} 07:53, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
::I knew it was a prank because it wasn't how the admins usually behaved. They'd get all our approval, or at least tell of it first, and would try to format it to be more user-friendly and familiar before the switch, not months later. But I went along with it anyway to make it more confusing. I qualify as an "admin", right? >.> - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 14:01, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

:::I was too lazy to dig into the code to find out. See, doing that much work would defeat the original purpose of my coming to hrwiki.org (updates column is better than the "Whats New" button on H*R.com) - being too lazy to dig around and find out any H*R stuff I want to know for myself. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 14:14, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

::::I knew it was just an April Fool's prank when I saw [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Template:whatsnew&diff=prev&oldid=298514 this edit]. I tried to add it to this page but Lapper deleted it! "Next episode, Lapper! Next episooooode!" {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:18, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

:::::If I didn't already know about it beforehand, my first clues would probably be from the fact that all the pages (other than the main page) were all identical, and given how much pain it was (or at least seemed to be from looking at the history) to convert from 'tavi to MediaWiki in the first place. Then there's the fact that all the special pages, apart from existing at all for some of them, looked identical to before (watchlist, history, edit, etc, etc)... at that point I'd probably check things like the source code, [[Special:Specialpages]] and [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] to check it was really just MediaWiki. Then I'd laugh and join in the fun. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 14:23, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

=== WTT Theme? ===
Is there any chance that the prank theme will be made into an actual wiki-theme everyone else will use? It looked kind of cool. (I know the main page was changed to support it, but still.) --[[User:AndrewNeo|AndrewNeo]] 17:24, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

:[[User:It's dot com|Dot com]] was planning on doing that, yes. Watch for it in the next while most likely. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 17:26, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Great theme! But I did notice there's no link to the Fanstuff on the WTT skin. Could this possibly be fixed? -[[User:Lunar Jesters|Jesty]][[User talk:Lunar Jesters|Talk]] 10:47, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

:The fanstuff wiki link is on the fake main page. It wasn't a separate wiki back then and so isn't up in the links at the top. Since we were trying to make our prank as close to the original as possible (while still maintaining basic functionality), we didn't include it. I have enabled the skin choice in the preferences mostly for the sake of recording our history. If someone actually plans to use the skin on an everyday basis and needs the link, I'll consider going to the trouble to add it, but for now I'm not going to worry about it. Glad you like it overall, though! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:40, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

== Probably Another Prank-Related Topic - Underlying community problem? ==

Now, I may not be the king of enlightened observations, but a pretty good general rule of life is: "'''If your Wiki nearly blows itself up over a simple April Fool's prank, there may be some underlying problems in the community.'''" Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll just go back to my little corner of the Wiki and hide again. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:Yeah, I think you meant, "If your users blow themselves up over a simple prank, then they need to take a look in the mirror and ask themselves why they're freaking out over nothing." I could also make several generalizations about those who went bonkers, but I believe I'll postpone... — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:47, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
::<s>I think we may be thinking on the same wavelength when it comes to the generalizations, here. Either way, I did tend to mean the major "user gap" here, due to the NSMC newuser lock. We lost influx for the month that the lock was in place, then all came in a burst, having to learn the ropes at the same time. We've kind of been overwhelmed since. For visual reference:</s><pre>If you want to see the dang thing, look in the history. I'm sick of misinterpretations.</pre><s>Just kind of a quick mockup, you get the picture. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}</s>
Forget it, the whole thing was taken as some kind of ploy for superiority and eliteism by the "oldbies". - {{User:Kookykman/sig}} 00:53, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

:I love that graph. It reminds me of MS-DOS for some reason. :D [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]

:: I think the graph realy shows...something. I was around as a user during the User gap but I didn't learn any thing. {{User:pieinbubsface/sig}} 02:29, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

:::Heh, nice little graph you got there, pretty accurate, if you ask me. I like the term "Era of Good Feelings". {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 02:35, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

::::The term "Era of Good Feelings" seems to me designed to alienate and offend new users like me who are genuinely trying to be useful and intelligent contributors to the community. But that's just me. {{User:Bassbone/sig}} 07:18, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

::::I don't know; I'm not doubting your graph so much as the idea that it's connected to Saturday's ruckus. Most of the people making the most noise were major users (as opposed to occasional ones). And actually I'm not all that convinced of the graph now that you mention it; I predate NSMC, and when I joined there were a number of prominent users and minor users both who dropped off the radar since ([[User:Thesmokingmonkey|Thesmokingmonkey]] comes to mind). And back then there were both kinds of users joining too, and the occasional spammer and/or minor vandal. No, I think the only difference is we're seeing the exponential growth in popularity of the wiki, so we simply have ''more'' of everything now than we did a year ago. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:28, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

:::::Woah, I'm sorry about the "Era of Good Feelings" thing. It was just supposed to be a stupid reference to the time in American history after the War of 1812 when Federalist party dissolved and there were few disagreements. The graph wasn't meant to alienate anyone, or claim superiority of pre-NSMC users. Also, Abdi, sorry about making it look like there were no spammers or vandals pre-NSMC, I should've made that apparent. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}} 20:41, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

::::::This will sound strange, but, does ANYONE like me here? I joined after the "era of good feelings", because I couldn't join during it. So, what? You're gonna sacrifice other possible users, um, userdom for yourself? I mean, if the wiki's gettin' hit hard, I can understand a 1 or 2 day block of all IPs and new users, maybe even a week, but, this one was like a month or two. So, seriously, this "Era of Good Feelings" can be renamed "Era of Selfishness". Sorry, just I hate it when users say the time I had to sit here and bookmark all of the pages I found errors in and couldn't fix was a "happy time". And, no offense to anyone, just, please everyone, stop saying it was a happy time. It truely wasn't for me. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 22:41, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Why does everyone think that I unilaterally hate every new person? When did I say that? I've been saying there are some 'troublemakers' since the boom, but we've gained some awesome new people! Bluebry, '''you're''' constructive, amazingly! One of the best of the new bunch! - {{User:Kookykman/sig}} This happens everytime I open my stupid yap. I dig a hole for myself.

:Oh! Wait. I just read the thing above mine. Umm, I retract my statement. And to Kooky: Thanks! {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 00:54, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

::Hey, I should be the one thanking you. Sorry about not explaining myself earlier. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

:::Why not thank each other? {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 01:57, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
:I for one hated the "Era of Good Feelings". It was okay for a while, but then things started slowing down, expecially that little subwiki thing you may or may not have heard of. Didn't help how H*R stopped updating for a month. >.> - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 16:47, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

== HEEELP ==

I have an account that dosen't have lowercase letters and it won't let me in!
:What's your username? {{User:LePorello/sig}} 15:59, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

:You sure it's ''here'' and not at the forum or fanstuff? All three are separate accounts. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 23:20, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

==Strong Bad's lack of knowledge of the current date==

Should there be a page on Strong Bad's commonly dating things "1987", "1998", etc?

:First of all, you can check [[1987]] for mentions of the year. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 01:20, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
::That doens't mean he doens't know the current date. He kind of screwed it up at the end of [[alternate universe]], however. {{User:Ed smildE/signature}} 01:32, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
::What about Trogdor Con '97 or Awexome Cross '98?

== Sort of Ironic But... ==

It's sort of ironic that I'm posting this here...but would it make sense to create a [[HRWiki:General Discussion]] page for general discussion instead of having it all posted here? I'm not saying that it's a problem that general discussion is found here, I'm just saying that it would make more sense. -[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 01:30, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

:It has pretty much become wikihabit to use Talk:Main Page not for discussing the Main Page, but for general discussion relating to the wiki. I don't believe that we need a seperate page. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 01:32, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

::Also the [[HRWiki talk:The Stick|talk page for our community portal]] is another place things are discussed. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:28, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

== [[Special:BrokenRedirects]] ==

Hey, I'm gettin' ome weird things, will someone verify if it's just my compy/browser (Mozilla Suite, if it helps) or if it's some error in the software. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 01:50, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
:This is what I see:
:#[[User talk:Yeltensic]] (Edit) → [[User:Yeltensic ]]
:#[[Game Boy in a Blender]] (Edit) → [[Special:Undelete]]
:More or less, anyways. What's yours like? Am I correct in thinking these are links that redirect to a page that doesn't exist...? Never seen anything in the list before, so... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::That's it. I just thought it was really weird. Anyone know the problem/solution? {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 02:03, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
:::[[User talk:Yeltensic]] does not contain a redirect. [[Game Boy in a Blender]] redirects to [[Blender]]. No idea why these 2 would be listed. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:10, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
::::I am now showing no broken redirects. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:15, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::I am now showing the [[Game Boy in a Blender]] one. ! {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:16, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::Same as me. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 02:17, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Dot com's under the sink with the wrenches now. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:18, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Dunno how it got messed up in the first place, but I fixed the problem. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:19, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Mr. Dot com, you fixed the Wiki. How did- what's your secret? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:19, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

==Something Weird on my Talkpages==

This might be related to the subject above (I see that my old talkpage was mentioned). I got a notification e-mail for my old talkpage ([[User talk:Yeltensic]]), saying that it had been edited by Dot com, but when I went there it was unchanged (I checked the history). Then, when I logged in as Granola, I got the "new messages" box, but that talkpage was also unchanged. {{User:Granola/sig}} 03:23, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, I had to pull some strings to get the database to reset itself. It should be normal now. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:36, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
::Oh, I guess it thought you had edited the pages because of that. I was puzzled at first as to why you were posting on my old talkpage, when I saw the e-mail. Anyway, good work fixing the database. {{User:Granola/sig}} 04:23, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

== Pics ==

Can these pics be used?: [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/1/1e/Boll.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/6/6e/Clock.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/c/c1/Stinkomann.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/7/77/Sbhead.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/d/de/Sbe.PNG] [http://homestarrunner.com/hsicons/sbIM1.gif] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/b/bc/Sbemail.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/f/ff/Lady_fan.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/b/bd/Sbdoll.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/8/80/Weirdsb.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/f/fb/Sbposter.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/5/58/AAHSB%21.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/a/ae/Rhinofeedstrongbad.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/b/b7/Zone.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/3/3c/Zzold.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/0/03/Mariopaintstrongofbadness.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/6/69/Zzzzzzz.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/b/b2/Tgs.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/b/bf/Cakee.JPG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/2/26/System.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/1/18/Hat.PNG]

--{{User:The thing/sig}} 20:22, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

:Used where? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:36, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

::That's what I'm asking. --{{User:The thing/sig}} 20:45, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

:::These images were hotlinked from another website and we would never include them in an article in such a state. Please see [[HRWiki:Image use policy]] and [[HRWiki:Standards]] for more information. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:18, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

::::I meen to upload here. --{{User:The thing/sig}} 21:42, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

:::::I don't see any reason to upload those images at this time. If we have a genuine need for anything like that, we can easily generate our own versions. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:53, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

== I need help with adding pics 2 the site!!!! ==

Anyone who knows how to add pictures/images and other helpfull hints please tell me....

-Krosskid91

:For images, please visit [[Help:Image]]. For learning other syntax, try the pages listed in [[:Category:Help]]. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 22:00, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

==Is it over?==

Is H*R over?! I mean, no new updates. Sewiouswy!

:Yep, it's over. We can all go back to work now. No, actually they're talking a little break for the Easter holidays, in all likelihood, and there'll be more soon. Don't forget Mike and Missy are startting a family too, so that takes time as well. Patience. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:56, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

::Don't forget the Great Drought of December '05 - January '06. That was a lot longer then the drought that's going on right now. They're probably just taking a break from all the 150th email work. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 21:58, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

::I didn't give it a second thought. Heh. - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 00:00, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

:::Yeah, but now I'm getting worried. Someone live in the Atlanta area check to see if they're okay?--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 15:46, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

::::C'mon. It's way, ''way'' too early to hit the panic button. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:58, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::Sadly, it appears that Don Chapman, Mike and Matt's dad, died this weekend. See [http://www.legacy.com/atlanta/Obituaries.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonID=17419376 his obituary]. I ask that we all please ''not panic'' and that we bear with the Chapmans in this difficult time. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 16:04, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::Is that so...Funny how we thought at the Great Drought of 05-06, someone had died and then it turned out the Chappos were still alive. Now...no wonder there's been a drought. I'll wait. --[[User:Kiwi|I
Survived the Great Drought of '05-'06!]] 16:13, 18 April 2006
:::::::While there hasn't been any new *site* content lately, there *were* a few store updates and a new Podstar Runner toon, so it's not like they're doing *nothing*. -{{User:YK/sig}} 20:16, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Should the notice about Don Chapman's death be posted on the wiki main page, and not just the recent changes? I wish I wasn't just some random fan so I could give them my condolences. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]
:::::::::Having gone through loss of family myself a few times, I assure you, the last thing they want is to have their private mourning invaded by countless web fans. I'd strongly advise against making any gestures in that regard, as heartfelt as they are surely intended. I happen to know Joey has expressed condolances on behalf of the HRWiki community; my opinion is we leave it at that. Keep them in your thoughts and/or prayers, for sure. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:13, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

::::::::::Trelawney, see [[User talk:It's dot com#We need the "Recent Changes" notice to be at the top of every page.|my note here]]. Thanks. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:17, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

==Sbemails gone==
When I accessed the Sbemail page on the official site, the list was completley gone. The page was there, but there were no emails, and pressing the random button took you to 404'd. I tried to access them directly by URL, but it didn't work. What's really wierd is that the toons still work. Does anyone know what's happening? - {{User:NachoMan/sig}}00:23, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
:It's working for me. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:25, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::I'm watching sbemail72 right now. Works fine, so does the list. You may have experienced a temporary server glitch or perhaps a user-side browser malfunction. Clear your cache and try it again. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:26, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
:::Fine with my browser. Which one do you have? {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 00:27, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::::Well, I was using AOL to not take up too many windows. I tryed it in Internet Explorer and it worked again. Tanks. - {{User:NachoMan/sig}}00:30, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

== MediaWiki 1.6 ==

When excactly are we upgrading to 1.6? {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 05:00, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
:Well, that's a good question. Let's say ''soon''—hopefully this week, but probably in the following week or two. There were 65 hacks to this version that each have to be checked and, if necessary, incorporated into the new version. I am nearly done with the non-captcha part of that. I also have to make sure all the extensions, hooks, and custom special pages work as expected, but I don't anticipate that being much of an issue. The sticking point is the reintegration of our captcha system, which will have to be completely overhauled. You can bet that we'll upgrade within a couple of days of when that's done. Hope that answers your questions. ''(Note: this is barring unforeseen circumstances, like being brought before the Spanish Inquisition, which of course nobody expects. You should therefore be careful about quoting me on any of this.)'' — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:36, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*hides crimson capes*</nowiki> {{User:Bassbone/sig}} 06:40, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
:::What's new in 1.6? {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 16:20, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
::::See [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Release_notes/1.6#What.27s_new_in_1.6 here]. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 16:23, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::Aha! Native support for a CAPTCHA. I assume we're going to stick with the fancy multicolored, sometimes hard to read one we've got now. I've found the one at meta.wikimedia.org to be profane at times since it seems to just throw up random English words. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 01:06, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

==Notice==
{| cellpadding=3 class="messagebox" style="margin:auto; background-color: #d2d2d2; color:#000; text-align: center; border: 2px #000 solid; font-size: 90%;" |
| It is with great sadness that we inform you that [[The Brothers Chaps|The Brothers Chaps]]' father, [[Don and Harriet Chapman|Don Chapman]], has passed away Saturday April 15th. Please keep the Chapman family in your hearts and minds in the coming weeks, and please don't complain about a lack of updates or pester them with emails. Thanks so much. — [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:28, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
|}

== Weird Secret ==

I was in the WayBack thung and I found [http://web.archive.org/web/20030604125126/homestarrunner.com/__utm.js this]. It's not real anymore but, hmm... --{{User:The thing/sig}} 23:34, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

:The thing, I'm guessing that's not a secret at all. [http://www.google.com/analytics Urchin] is a web tracking suite that I've used in the past on my own website (it's now owned by Google and has been renamed to Google Analytics; notice how it says "formerly Urchin" in the footer of the page I linked to). It tracks hits, sessions, downloads, bandwidth, etc. and can give you cool statistics like which keywords people are using to search for your website and which browsers visitors are using. The file you've found seems to be one component of the Urchin application. You can also tell it has to do with maintenance because the filename starts with an underscore. Good find, though. You must've been digging around for a while to notice something like that. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 15:04, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

== SB email reorganization ==

I was looking around the Strong Bad email pages, and I found something irritating to me. Page names of the sbemail are not only uncapitalized, but don't have a link to the Main Sbemail page. I'm up for moving ''every'' (I know, I'm always trying to completely change the wiki) sbemail to a subpage of [[Strong Bad Email]]. This way, users would have a handy link to the main page, and the page name would be capitalized (Which for some reason I can't do without). Any declines, accepts, or other ideas? — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 20:22, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
:There is a link to the Strong Bad Email page on ''every'' wiki page. There is no reason at all to move anything. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:26, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
::Okay. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 20:29, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
:::The [[:Template:Strong Bad Email]] that appears on every Strong Bad Email article also contains a link to [[Strong Bad Email]]. Each email is an article itself, they are not subarticles. We also have special settings in place for the very reason that we wanted to be able to have lowercase Strong Bad Email article titles. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:31, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

== Kind of interesting ==

if only because we're explicitly mentioned. [http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=251&topic=27885046] I've saved a screenshot of it if anybody wants to see it after they purge it. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 06:35, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

== All Articles Page ==

For the first time, I clicked on the [[Special:Allpages|articles]] link on the Main Page, and the text that was displayed was
<pre>
$11.01 to King Castlefunny Pencil Moistener
King Dingo to Super Brave!!
Super Kingio Bros to puppet3
puppetjam1 to your friends
</pre>
(with links, of course).
I stared at the page for a few minutes, certain that this seemingly random collection of words was vandalism before I realized that they were names of mostly obscure articles.

So, I'm wondering if there's a better way to present this page. I understand that the object of the page is to divide up the articles into sections of the alphabet, but what if the page instead displayed (for example)
<pre>
$ to K
L to R
S to o
p to y
</pre>
(with appropriate links, of course)

I'm just thinking that if this page was confusing to me, it must be very confusing for newcomers to the Wiki. The above reformatting (or something like it) would make a lot more sense to the uninitiated, I think. Thanks! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:21, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

I like the idea, though maybe it could say "$ to Ki", to be more accurate. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]

Talk:senior prom

2006-05-04T20:35:55Z

Trelawney: /* Old Folks Cafeteria */

== Is the KOT Very Own Show a reference to Butter's Own Episode on South Park ==

Just a comment about the thoughts I had before realizing it was a sbemail instead of a KOT short!
~OptimumCoder
:I don't think it was an intentional reference, as the Brothers Chaps claim they don't watch South Park, and definitely not to that episode (the fact that it's his very own episode is a little too broad), but it is remarkable similar to the infamous Terrance and Phillip episode. They were running a 2-part episode, and rather than showing the second part of it, since the airdate fell on April Fools, they showed a completely unrelated episode. I was thinking of adding this to the references. As long as it's clear that it probably isn't intentional, I think it would fit. And complaints, before I add it? [[User:Evan|Evan]]
::No, this thing is totally a parady of ''Butter's Own Episode''. The opening music is nearly an exact match. --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 00:30, 3 May 2006 (PDT)
:::If someone could get a screenshot from Butters own Episode that would be helpful.
::::I have the episode on my compy, matter o' fact. The "Everyone Knows It's Butters!" part sounds SORTA like the KoT chime, but if the song was a little longer and described how the KoT thinks being your self is the best thing around, then MAYBE I would agree. :P I still insist that it's more like the Terrance and Phillip gag as mentioned.

::::EDIT: Hope it's okay, but I uploaded the song from the Butters episode. http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Image:Butterssong.ogg Whaddya think? I still insist that it's a little vague. [[User:Evan|Evan]]

==Almond paste filled sweet delight==
I think Strong Bad is talking about Marzipan here... you know, the real type.--[[User:Dwedit|Dwedit]] 16:23, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

:From Wikipedia: "Marzipan is a confectionery consisting primarily of ground almonds and sugar that derives its characteristic flavor from bitter almonds, which constitute 4% to 6% of total almond content by weight." Sounds reasonable to me. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 16:24, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

::I like it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:01, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
:::OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHH... I get it now. That fact was extremely poorly worded, hence my removal of it. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:29, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

::::So, right now the FF ends with "The comment is clearly directed at the character Marzipan." What about Coach Z and Strong Sad (and the band)? The comment ''may'' be directed only at Marzipan (and this would coincide with the reference to the confection), but I don't agree that it's clear that he's only talking to Marzipan. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 02:17, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

== The poopsmith speaketh!? ==

Did the poopsmith really just speak in this email? The voice sounds exactly like the poopsmith's in different town, but the poopsmith is shown shrugging afterwards like that wasn't his voice. I'd like to say that he didn't, but I'm not too sure about it. What are your opinions? - Wevegottapulse

:I think it was him. Who else could it be? It sounded like he was about to lead the band into that "Oh Yeah" song from Ferris Bueller's Day Off. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:00, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
::Reply to Trey: Totally different "Ohhh Yeah", actually. The one in this email is higher-pitched and was pretty common to hear in this kind of music. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
::There's certainly enough suggestion there (that this was The Poopsmith). Might I also point out that this was done in the same voice as the "Hello!" in [[different town]].
::THEN AGAIN! That was in Strong Bad's imagination. Do we have proof that this scene was NOT in Strong Bad's imagination? Did this senior prom actually happen? If not, having The Poopsmith speak here might not be as unusual as it would be if this senior prom really did happen. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 17:23, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
:::I personally think its safe to assume this email wasn't in Strong Bad's imagination. With how Strong Bad actually got The Cheat and Strong Mad to help him and all. (If it was, then we really can't trust anything that happens in H*R ever again. >.> ) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:17, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
::::Fair enough. :) Since we can't absolutely prove it was The Poopsmith who said "Ohhh yeah!", there's a Fun Fact there that ties this occurrence together with [[different town]]. I believe that should suffice. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::Everyone thought it was him, but Mr. Smith shook his head and shrugged, as if to say, "It wasn't me! I don't know who that was!"[[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 19:32, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
::::::Did the Oh Yeah remind anyone else of the Kool-Aid Man's catchphrase? Before the Poopsmith was shown I thought that was who was speaking. Don't know if it's good enough to be a Real Life reference. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 20:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Now that you mention it, it does remind me of that! That would've been a perfect end to the email—the Kool-Aid Man busting through the concrete wall with his famous catchphrase; everyone staring at him agape as he sheepishly retreats a few moments later. With only the phrase though, it's probably a coincidence. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:40, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Yes, it makes no sense as a reference. No one crashed through a wall. And they already had a refreshing punch available. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

There's no solid proof that it was the Poopsmith.
:Yes, that has been pointed out. Nobody is claiming that it definitely ''was'' the Poopsmith in this case. We're acknowledging that it was "very strongly suggested", but the whole point of the joke is that we didn't see it happen. So there's still some ambiguity there. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:36, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps the voice was ventriloquism performed by David Coppafeel. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:52, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

== More than two prom...blems? ==

Current Fun Fact:

*Marzipan's comment "...every freakin' year...." implies that she has attended the senior prom more than once. Because it is typically the final dance in high school, most people only attend the senior prom once.

I edited this from another version that said "it seems implausible that she would have attended it more than once". I beg to differ: There are a few reasons why she could have. (1) She could have gotten held back and repeated <s>the third grade</s> her senior year multiple times. (2) She could have gone with Homestar in previous years (and he'd probably be more likely to get held back). And (3) She could have served some other purpose in previous years.

My point is, I don't think we have enough to go on to say why she'd be at the prom multiple years. But a lot of cartoons and comics run on the implication that the characters never age, and they repeat the same years of their lives each year (a 365-day version of Groundhog Day, or something). That seems plausible in the HR Universe as well. Thus, I think the Fun Fact should kinda gloss over the "implausibilities" and relate Marzipan's comment to the way it is in real life.

[[the show|And for the block, do you agree?]] {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 17:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
: I agree. Also, Marzipan could have simply ''heard'' that pantless-Strong Bad won Prom Queen multiple years in a row or whatever happened. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:57, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

It makes more sense to me that they just all go to a senior prom every year. [[User:130.127.84.204|130.127.84.204]] 18:03, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Doesn't Marzipan's initial " as always, we're the only couple at the prom" comment lend further credence to the whole multiple prom hypothesis? [[User:85.65.116.80|85.65.116.80]] 00:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

The thing is some schools let any students go to the prom. --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 00:33, 3 May 2006 (PDT)

== Everybody everybody! Longest pants! ==

I would suggest that there definitely needs to be a reference regarding the ongoing pants/no-pants debate regarding Coach Z and Homestar. This seems to put the nail in the coffin that there are, in fact, no pants going on with either of them. Although (he realizes) it could also be argued that Coach Z wears a body suit, which doesn't technically have any stand-alone pants, which still leaves the door open for his "green-body/green body suit" ambiguity. (PS: Stand Alone Pants would be a great name for a rock band.)
:There's a reference to [[Homestar's Pants]] already on the page. That's where the debate is most fully explained. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

::Whether or not this is proof Homestar doesn't wear pants should be put up for a vote me thinks. The obvious argument for would be the fact that his pants didn't poof away at all and his discussion with pompom during the easteregg seemed to imply he was covering. The arguments against could be that Strong Bads remote malfunctioned, or perhaps Homestar wears pants that look exactly like his legs!

:::I like the "Maybe Homestar's pants look exactly like his legs" line of thinking. Another thought on Coach Z: how can one reliably say that he "puked his pants" and then have no pants disappear? On a personal note, two years ago, before finding this site, I never thought I would be this concerned about the existence of a cartoon character's pants.

::::For general [[Pants]], see [[Pants]]. (Would General Pants be a good name for a Cheat Commando?) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 22:18, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
::::Better than "Firebert."
:::::Well, the fact that we didn't hear a poof or see a poof is enough evedince for me that Homestar is pantsless and not a long pants man.

::::::Right, it seems like Homestar is the only one around who seems convinced that he wears pants. Coach Z is still a bit of an issue, in my mind. As far as the [[Pants]] page is concerned, that's less an informational resource on the evidence for and against the various characters' pantsitudinal condition and more of a link to all the cartoons where someone simply mentions the word "pants." Since this is such a long-standing gag, it would be nice to see it expanded.

:::::::Every time recently that Homestar's pants have been mentioned, TBC present both sides, first suggesting one thing and then the other. (The same is true for Homestar's arms.) It is ''intentionally'' ambiguous. I wouldn't be surprised if TBC didn't even know the true nature of things. He's drawn that way just because it looks right to them. Trying to assert that he actually does or doesn't have pants (or, sheesh, ''voting here'' on the matter) would be futile. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:47, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

== Thank Goodness! ==

I'ma just glad Strong Bad wore undawears this day. Thank you, thank you. Back to where I was! {{User:Homfrog/sig}} 18:30, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. I actually didn't realise that Strong Bad was the only one in the group that wears pants until now. Maybe Bubs too, but he wasn't in the shot. I can't imagine how Bubs would look pantsless.--[[User:That crazy DumDe!|DumDe]] 18:39, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
: There's something I'd prefer not to think about... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

==Hey, ummm, everybody?==

This wasn't really the senior prom. It all happens in the present, and evrybody was probably preforming for Strong Bad's little idea thing.
:See Joshua's comment above, about whether it was in SB's imagination or not. If it wasn't a canonical occurence, then we really can't trust anything that happens on H*R.com again. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:17, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

::Further more, why would everyone play this out for Strong Bad. Obviously, Marzipan wouldn't do anything for Strong Bad
:::She played Cutesy Buttons. [[User:Evan|Evan]]

:::Obviously they're playing their roles in 'Strong Bads Quite popular cartoon show' which is why he threw together that over-the-top opening scene with the "answering machine"

== All the Kingsmen ==

I know the band's name All the King's Men is more than likely a reference to the nursery rhyme Humpty Dumpty (which remarkably isn't in RWR). But it could also be a reference to the rock band "The Kingsmen", famous for their cover of "Louie Louie". [[User:Swimma Dan|Swimma Dan]] 20:00, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
*It sounds plausible to me - sort of like Before and After Puzzles on Wheel of Fortune. It would fit the situation, since that seems to be the cover band type. Do I detect a double meaning? {{User:SBLOUNSKCHED!/sig}} 20:22, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

== Delilelia, you got me on my knees ==

What is up with the "Delilelia" easter egg? -[[User:Shnizzedy|Johnny Baby]] 20:58, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
*Since we missed the beginning of the email, that part's recapping what we missed. So we still have an email song and all that. {{User:SBLOUNSKCHED!/sig}} 21:07, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

== Jumping the Shark ==

Anyone else think that the way SB pronounced "Copperfield" was...ahem...risque?
Alex H.
:That was Marzipan, and someone says that ''every single frikking time'' someone in the 'toons mentions something even remotely sexual. People said the same thing when Strong Bad mentioned naked women in [[secret identity]], for instance. And it's no worse than [[3 Times Halloween Funjob|somebody a-gwabbin' Homestar's butt]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:44, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
::I'd like to see "Jumping the Shark" make its permanent home on the forums, personally. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 22:51, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
:::I'd be willing to make a complainery type topic about this, if someone else would help find all the refs ([[Commandos in the Classroom]] comes to mind, but I dunno what else). --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Astro-Sad ==

Would this be an inside refrence that Strong Sad was dressed as an astronaut in the sketch book?

:No, he was dressed as an astronaut because that was the prom theme. Everybody else was either too cool or too stupid to dress up though. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 23:03, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
::I do think it's significant that Strong Sadonaut appeared in the Sketchbook prior to this cartoon, though. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:14, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

== Boxers or Briefs ==

The fun fact about SB saying he never wears underwear could still be true...some people consider "underwear" to mean briefs, but boxers as something else.

== Little Robot On Mars ==

Is that a refference to the "explorer" or whatever the heck that Mars Rover is called? You know the one we sent to mars to take pictures of the surface and its all the time getting stuck on rocks and crap?
: We're one step ahead of you: check Real-World References on the main page. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:21, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

== David Copperfield ==

It seems more likely that the reference to ''David Copperfield'' is from the [http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Copperfield_%28novel%29 very famous book] by Dickens than the illusionist. Certainly, the latter probably takes his name from the former (though it could be a coincidence) so unless there is a specific reason why it would be the illusionist over the book, it seems like the reference should be cataloged as being to the book and not the person (or, at least, both the book and the person). --[[User:Sailor titan|Sailor titan]] 06:35, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

:While I agree that the book is more famous than the illusionist, I'd imagine it would be hard for Strong Bad to take Delilelia to see [[Wikipedia:David Copperfield (novel)|David Copperfield the novel]] perform. [[Wikipedia:David Copperfield (illusionist)|David Copperfield the illusionist]] is more of a performer. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:43, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

== Old Folks Cafeteria ==

Could the "All You Can Eat Old Folks' Cafeteria" refer to Hometown Buffet or some similar establishment? {{User:Bassbone/sig}} 08:38, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
:Clearly it does - so clearly, in fact, that it's the joke and needs no comment. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:25, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
::Apparently not as clearly as you think--because I have no idea what you're talking about ^^;;; what is the "Hometown Buffet"? Mayhaps this is some kind of regional custom/establishment that we don't have here in the northeast? --[[User:Sailor titan|Sailor titan]] 16:12, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
:::Granny's Buffet is a more national chain, or Old Country Buffet, but the poin is that anyone can tell the kind of place he means, and that's the joke. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 20:35, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

== KOT's Cartoon Show ==
Was anyone else disappointed when the KOTs cartoon show was interrupted for the Strong Bad e-mail? I was like "Hey a KOT cartoon? YES! There hasn't been one since 'The King of Town DVD'" Then I was like "awwwwe man!" when it was interrupted. I had high hopes, I always like to see the so-called reject characters (KOT, Strong Sad, Homsar) get together once in awhile. Though don't get me wrong I had worries E-mail #150 would be the last. Worries which were finally put to rest. Thank god.
:I was as well. Personally, I think the KOT is always consistently funny -- "Butter-da" and "stuffinged ham" still cracks me up -- and I went through the same emotional cycle as thee. "Cool! Aww..." And since I didn't think this was a particularly strong SBemail, it made for a double dose of disappointment. It's a shame the KOT keeps getting dumped on as being unpopular. He's got a hell of a lot more humor potential than the Poopsmith.

== Back to the Future? ==

This whole Prom remindeth moi of the "Enchantment Under the Sea" Theme of the dance from the ''Back to the Future'' series and All the King's Men's suits are reminiscent of Marvin Berry and the Starlighters'. [[User:Elvis|Elvis]] 15:36, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
:Apparently, someone else thought the same thing, as that's already in the article. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 15:49, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

== Who is David Coppafeel? ==

I wonder who was responsible for violating Marzipan. I'm guessing Strong Mad, for the following reasons: (1) he was standing next to Marzipan with his hands up when the lights came back on, (2) he has been known to [[:Image:Mysfit-steries.PNG|violate Marzipan]] in the past (though this was later fixed by TBC), and (3) he's stupid/clumsy enough that it could have been an accident. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:53, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Talk:senior prom

2006-05-03T19:32:32Z

Trelawney: /* The poopsmith speaketh!? */

== Is the KOT Very Own Show a reference to Butter's Own Episode on South Park ==

Just a comment about the thoughts I had before realizing it was a sbemail instead of a KOT short!
~OptimumCoder

==Almond paste filled sweet delight==
I think Strong Bad is talking about Marzipan here... you know, the real type.--[[User:Dwedit|Dwedit]] 16:23, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

:From Wikipedia: "Marzipan is a confectionery consisting primarily of ground almonds and sugar that derives its characteristic flavor from bitter almonds, which constitute 4% to 6% of total almond content by weight." Sounds reasonable to me. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 16:24, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

::I like it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:01, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
:::OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHH... I get it now. That fact was extremely poorly worded, hence my removal of it. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:29, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

== The poopsmith speaketh!? ==

Did the poopsmith really just speak in this email? The voice sounds exactly like the poopsmith's in different town, but the poopsmith is shown shrugging afterwards like that wasn't his voice. I'd like to say that he didn't, but I'm not too sure about it. What are your opinions? - Wevegottapulse

:I think it was him. Who else could it be? It sounded like he was about to lead the band into that "Oh Yeah" song from Ferris Bueller's Day Off. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:00, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
::Reply to Trey: Totally different "Ohhh Yeah", actually. The one in this email is higher-pitched and was pretty common to hear in this kind of music. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
::There's certainly enough suggestion there (that this was The Poopsmith). Might I also point out that this was done in the same voice as the "Hello!" in [[different town]].
::THEN AGAIN! That was in Strong Bad's imagination. Do we have proof that this scene was NOT in Strong Bad's imagination? Did this senior prom actually happen? If not, having The Poopsmith speak here might not be as unusual as it would be if this senior prom really did happen. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 17:23, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
:::I personally think its safe to assume this email wasn't in Strong Bad's imagination. With how Strong Bad actually got The Cheat and Strong Mad to help him and all. (If it was, then we really can't trust anything that happens in H*R ever again. >.> ) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:17, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
::::Fair enough. :) Since we can't absolutely prove it was The Poopsmith who said "Ohhh yeah!", there's a Fun Fact there that ties this occurrence together with [[different town]]. I believe that should suffice. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:21, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::Everyone thought it was him, but Mr. Smith shook his head and shrugged, as if to say, "It wasn't me! I don't know who that was!"[[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 19:32, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

== More than two prom...blems? ==

Current Fun Fact:

*Marzipan's comment "...every freakin' year...." implies that she has attended the senior prom more than once. Because it is typically the final dance in high school, most people only attend the senior prom once.

I edited this from another version that said "it seems implausible that she would have attended it more than once". I beg to differ: There are a few reasons why she could have. (1) She could have gotten held back and repeated <s>the third grade</s> her senior year multiple times. (2) She could have gone with Homestar in previous years (and he'd probably be more likely to get held back). And (3) She could have served some other purpose in previous years.

My point is, I don't think we have enough to go on to say why she'd be at the prom multiple years. But a lot of cartoons and comics run on the implication that the characters never age, and they repeat the same years of their lives each year (a 365-day version of Groundhog Day, or something). That seems plausible in the HR Universe as well. Thus, I think the Fun Fact should kinda gloss over the "implausibilities" and relate Marzipan's comment to the way it is in real life.

[[the show|And for the block, do you agree?]] {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 17:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
: I agree. Also, Marzipan could have simply ''heard'' that pantless-Strong Bad won Prom Queen multiple years in a row or whatever happened. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:57, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

It makes more sense to me that they just all go to a senior prom every year. [[User:130.127.84.204|130.127.84.204]] 18:03, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

== Everybody everybody! Longest pants! ==

I would suggest that there definitely needs to be a reference regarding the ongoing pants/no-pants debate regarding Coach Z and Homestar. This seems to put the nail in the coffin that there are, in fact, no pants going on with either of them. Although (he realizes) it could also be argued that Coach Z wears a body suit, which doesn't technically have any stand-alone pants, which still leaves the door open for his "green-body/green body suit" ambiguity. (PS: Stand Alone Pants would be a great name for a rock band.)
:There's a reference to [[Homestar's Pants]] already on the page. That's where the debate is most fully explained. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:42, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

== Thank Goodness! ==

I'ma just glad Strong Bad wore undawears this day. Thank you, thank you. Back to where I was! {{User:Homfrog/sig}} 18:30, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. I actually didn't realise that Strong Bad was the only one in the group that wears pants until now. Maybe Bubs too, but he wasn't in the shot. I can't imagine how Bubs would look pantsless.--[[User:That crazy DumDe!|DumDe]] 18:39, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
: There's something I'd prefer not to think about... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

==Hey, ummm, everybody?==

This wasn't really the senior prom. It all happens in the present, and evrybody was probably preforming for Strong Bad's little idea thing.
:See Joshua's comment above, about whether it was in SB's imagination or not. If it wasn't a canonical occurence, then we really can't trust anything that happens on H*R.com again. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:17, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Coach Z Ale

2006-05-01T23:21:28Z

Trelawney: vote for deletion

{{ttbd}}

Doe not delete this! --[[User:Technochocolate|Technochocolate]] 03:30, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Why not? what purpose could this possibly serve? -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 03:31, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Umm...it's a drink! --04:19, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)04:19, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

We could merge this info into [[Cold One]] [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 15:46, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:But this isn't a type of Cold One- it's just another type of beer. If we merge it with anything it should be [[Coach Z]], methinks. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 15:49, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::I second that. [[Coach Z]] does seem to be the most logical place for it.--Shippinator Mandy

:::Shouldn't it really be merged into [[time capsule]]? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 16:24, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::::I personally don't think this needs to exist at all. All info found on this page can be found in the email, except for the image, which is useless. -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 22:56, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::::I'm with Tony on this one, although if enough people think it's worth merging into something, Time Capsule makes sense to me. -- [[User:Eric|Eric]] 03:03, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::::::Nah, merge it with coach Z. In fact, dont even merge it, just put a tiny footnote about it in coach Z ''and'' time capsule--[[User:Mikelx215|Mikelx215]] 00:41, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::::::I Don't think this needs deleting.--Clash

:On second thought, merging with [[time capsule]] sounds good. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 21:43, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I agree w/Mikelx215
-[[User: Tapd260]]

the question is, in fact, why SHOULD it be deleted?

There is no reson for it to be deleted. Please keep it.[[User:Undabite]]

I say delete. It's ridiculously small, and there's nothing to be added to it, since it only appeared once. It's just a small Easter Egg, and barely significant. If there were even three sentences to be said about this topic, I would be for keeping it, but as it is, it is pretty useless. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]
==Merge==
I still say Merge any info onto the [[Cold One]] article, as that is where we keep all the info about different kinds of beer. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 21:48, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:I was the person who actually created this page. Several other pages exist for products that are easter eggs, and only referenced once. If people are deadset on having this deleted or moved, then I would suggest merging into the cold one article, but I'm not sure why this one has been singled out for merging or deletion. --[[User:Duke33|Duke33]] 17:37, 11 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:: I don't get it either, Duke33. I think that, maybe, merging w/ Cold One might be good, but I seriously don't think it should. [[User:Undabite]]

There are other "easter egg product" pages, but since we have a suitable place to put Beer/Cold one info we should keep it all together. If we had tons of short "pizza" articles we could merge an article like [[Bubs' Old Pizza]] together onto the broader topic, until any singular item became significant enough to stand on its own. Coach Z ale has not gone anywhere since its inception. Should it garner a few more appearances we will have enough information to justify a stand-alone article. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 16:18, 16 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:"This product was the first of only three foodstuff items in the Homestar Runner Universe to feature a main character's name on the packaging (the other products being Cheatcakes and Coach Z Ale)." That's off of the Strong Bad's Eggs food and drink page. It has importance! If it isn't good enough for a stand-alone, it should be merged, but i think it has enough weight to stay. :[[User:Best5bucksever|Best5bucksever]] 00:12, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Everyone aggreed on merging, say I.[[User:Undabite]]

I say they should merge all mentioned drinks together onto one page. With Cold Ones maybe?

== DO NOT DELETE! ==

There's no need to delete it! If you call this useless, you're calling every other page on this site useless!

:Wow. Your logic is truly impressive. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 19:33, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Naw, just keep it. I don't really see a need for deletion. --[[User:SaikoRoxi|SaikoRoxi]] 10:17, July 22, 2005

lol, good one HC. But I don't think it's worth a page. Just like Coach Z's Z wasn't. Besides, this only appears once on the entire site, and only in an easter egg. Baleet. —{{User:Darklinkskywalker/DLSsignature}} 04:24, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

y should it be deleted? thats the thing about homestar wiki. everything about homestar. EVERYTHING. i can see y we can keep it, but not y we should delete it. its not like it takes up space. Besides, theres another article about [[Jobar's Big Ol' Headache Medicine]], which is also from an easter egg in time capsule, and its also for a product. that article is pretty much the same size as well, and it is'nt pending deletation, so y should this one? I say, just keep the "stub" thingy on 'em and leave 'em alone!--[[User: Bubsty|Bubsty]].
== More is Better ==

Doesn't really seem logical to modify or remove a page that seems to work fine as a standalone. If it's going to be changed at all, then I agree with an appropriate merge, but not a full deletion. That's pointless. (Edit: Adding who I am.) [[User:Gingercat|Gingercat]] 01:58, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

'''KEEP''' or '''MERGE''' My only question is, where can I get some differently lame ale? {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 11:57, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I second the person who said it was worth keeping due to its mention on the Strong Bad Eggs food and drink page. Plus, I really like Coach Z, lame or not. [[User:Thexder|Thexder]] 23 August 2005

'''''Why has this not been deleted yet?!?!?!?!?!? It's been pending deletion for like, 3 months now...so do what you wanna do with it now! I think we should:

DELETE 
DELETE 
DELETE 
did I mention DELETE?'' ''' --{{User:Darklinkskywalker/DLSsignature}} 01:31, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:There's no way it's been pending baleetion for that long. I created it a few minutes ago. {{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 21:30, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
::See notice two comments below. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:31, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

==Picture==
If we aint gonna baleet this, then someone should get an image. My decompiler and image editor are both very fickle and will not let me save the screenshot of the logo as a .png since it comes from a sprite and not a regular frame. {{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 21:23, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

==Notice==
:This article was originally created on December 3rd 2004. On June 10th 2005 it was marked for deletion. After a lengthy debate, the decision to delete was made on August 27th, 2005. It was recreated over eight months later, on April 28th, 2006, for a second shot at life. The deleted revisions have been restored for the time being, for a reconsideration of either deletion, or to be kept permanently as an article. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:28, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Permanent Marker

2006-04-29T05:03:00Z

Trelawney:

I'm left handed and yet I never realized that either, about the text on pens and pencils that is. Who'ddathunk? You must be a pencil industry insider or something, thanks for blowing the whistle on that one, now I'm even more aware of the prejudices perpetrated against me for my handedness orientation.

:This was one of those, "Wow, someone noticed that? That's so cool!" moments for me as well. I'm thinking [[The Brothers Chaps]] just put the text upside down for no particular reason, but this still is a very cool observation.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:45, 30 Jan 2005 (MST)

::Are you sure they're manufactured 'right handed'? It's never made any difference to me whether the text on the pen or pencil is up, down, or sideways; it writes the same in any orientation. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]

Permanent Marker

2006-04-29T05:01:34Z

Trelawney: it sounded like senor c-gage answered 'long pants', rather than sb.

[[Image:finetimepermamarker.png|thumb|The Sharpiest of Technology]]
The '''Permanent Marker''' is [[Strong Bad|Strong Bad's]] ultimate utility tool. It first appeared in [[suntan]], where it was the "Strong Bad [[Ab-Abber 2000]]". In [[haircut]], it is used as a "Light Pen" to draw lots of different possible eyebrow styles on a "scanned" image of [[Strong Mad]]. In [[car]], Strong Bad uses it to trick out his fist, and then imprint [[Homestar Runner|Homestar Runner's]] forehead with a customized message in Gothic lettering. In [[couch patch]], the marker appeared in [[Strong Sad|Strong Sad's]] flashback when he recalled [[Lil' Strong Bad]] writing "Carla Lewis is HOTT!" on [[The Couch]] (which may or may not be an accurate account, since there are four different versions of the origins of the couch patch). In [[Senorial Day]], [[Senor Cardgage]] uses it to sign an autograph on a football. Strong Bad then uses a white-out version of it in [[long pants]] to cover up parts of the email's text, which he thought was too long.

It has been noted that the "Light Pen" Strong Bad uses is left-handed. Many right-handed people don't realize this, but almost all pens and pencils are manufactured for right-handed use in that the text printed on them appears right-side-up when used with the right hand, but upside-down when used by the left hand. (This does not affect the way pencils or pens are used; only the orientation of the text printed on them differs).

The marker bears an uncanny resemblance (in form, if not function) to the ubiquitous [[Wikipedia:Sharpie (marker)|Sharpie]]-brand permanent marker.

[[Category: Items]]

Thy Dungeonman 3

2006-04-25T05:16:44Z

Trelawney: /* Real World References */ zorkmids!

{{gamenav|Videlectrix Game|dman3|Thy Dungeonman II|Pigs on Head}}
[[Image:thy dungeonman 3 deinterlaced.png|thumb|right|220px|Behold Thy Graphics!!]]
[[Image:Dungeonman 3 cover.PNG|thumb|Box art]]

''"No man slays dungeons quite like the Thy Dungeonman from the Thy Dungeonman computer game series. Hi-res graphics improve on the no-res graphics from the previous text-onlyventures. Get ye flask, fool!"'' - [[Videlectrix]]

'''Thy Dungeonman 3''' (also spelled '''Thy Dungeonman III''') is the second sequel in the [[Thy Dungeonman]] franchise produced by [[Videlectrix]]. The most notable feature of this sequel is the addition of graphics, with imitation low-resolution still frames accompanying each room of the game. As with the first two installments in the the Dungeonman series, the game is a text-command-controlled adventure centered around a knight named Thy Dungeonman. However, in this quest his mission is to get ye flask rather than escape a dungeon.

'''Page Title:''' Behold Thy Graphics!!

'''Date:''' April 24, 2006

==Commands==
===Main Commands===

*north or n
*south or s
*east or e
*west or w
*look
*get
*talk
*inventory or inv
*use
*save (1-5)
*load (1-5)
*the UP arrow cycles through previous commands

'''[[Thy Dungeonman 3 Commands|See full list of commands]]''' 
'''[[Thy Dungeonman 3 Messages|See full list of responses]]'''

==Ways to Lose the Game==

*Get crushed by the spikes (not escaping from ''Thy Dungeon'' before your twelfth action).
*Going back into the room with the monk after he attempts to eat you.
*Not getting out of the cauldron fast enough.
*Getting lost in the woods (wander around without a map, going EAST will save you).
*Trying to fight the troll (KILL TROLL).
*Trying to kill the bird at the monastery (KILL BIRD).
*Trying to kill the barkeep (PUNCH, KICK, or KILL BARKEEP).
*Attempting to steal barkeep's beard (STEAL BEARD).
*Attempting to steal barkeep's drink (STEAL DRINK).
*RETIREing in Westerberg.
*Choosing the wrong Kigalonian.
*Getting the answers wrong to the Hag's questions.
*Attempting to steal the Vegetable Cart Man's Corn. (STEAL CORN).
*Eating the fake ketchup. (EAT BLOOD, DRINK KETCHUP).
*By typing HANG OUT or QUIT (the latter causing you to exit the game entirely).

==Fun Facts==
{{checkstuffpage}}

===Trivia===
*A sound similar to a 5¼ floppy disk being accessed plays before a new graphic appears, as though it's being "loaded".
* You can flip over its box art on the Videlectrix website to read the back, which is a first for their games. The back cover features the Videlectrix logo as well as screenshots of the town, pub, and grabbing minigame. It also has the following text.
[[Image:Dungeonman 3 cover back.PNG|thumb|300px|Back cover]]
<blockquote>'''''Behold Thy Graphics!''''' 
<big>'''O'''</big>ut of the dungeon 
and into the pile! 
Videlectrix has 
added multi - bit 
graphics to someone's favorite text adventure! 
Visit LOCATIONS, get ITEMS, and interact 
with PEOPLE-all in vivid monochrome color!
:::::::<big>'''S'''</big>hort 4-page manual! No more novels! (Thanks for all the letters!) 
It's the final confrontation between Thy 
Dungeonman and the elusive FLASK!! 
<big>'''I'''</big>nnovative FPG -first 
person getter- action! 
(actual gameplay-type 
screenshots shown!)</blockquote>
*The photos for Thy Dungeonman, the Fat Friar, the Vegetable Cart Dude, the Disgruntled Cleaner Guy and the Old Hag are named internally as "mike", "matt", "matt" again, "me" and "ryan", respectively – presumably they are photos of [[Mike Chapman]], [[Matt Chapman]], [[Jonathan Howe]] and [[Ryan Sterritt]].

===Remarks===
*The "pwd" command has been modified, and it now gives your location as "Wastes of Time/Dumb Games/Dungeonman 3/''{location}''".

===Glitches===
*If you type LOOK FLOOR while holding the bone, the picture of the bone will appear.
*If you type LOOK BONE or LOOK FLOOR in Yon Dungeon after using the bone, it will say that the bone is still on the ground.

=== Fixed Glitches ===
*Some hours after its release, the game began in the ''Hag's Clearing'' where you have no points yet possess the Fake Ketchup, already used.
*There was a warp portal that took you directly inside the dungeon that was accessed by typing "GO IN LOG" or "ENTER LOG" at the creepy woods; however, if you have not yet gotten the flask-grabbing glove, you will be unable to win the game. VOIPing back out from this path would cause a gateway to the dungeon to appear at the crossroads, and then at the creepy woods.
*When the game was first released, if the hag had 4 kids, then any answer you give her (including 4) would be taken as incorrect. The only way to fix this was to restart. This was fixed soon afterward.
*Also upon release, it was possible to get stuck by grabbing the stein in the monastery, then escaping the cauldron and re-entering the monastery, then pressing C to continue. This was later fixed so that you now continue from outside the monastery.

===Inside References===
*The obsession with "getting a flask" has run throughout the Thy Dungeonman series. It originated with Strong Bad's earliest concept of the game in [[video games]], in which "you'd just have to sit there and imagine why on Earth you can't get ye flask!"
*When flipping through the hag's scrapbook, if you see the town sign for Rottenscab, it reads "If thou lived here, thou would be home by now". This joke was also made in [[for kids]].
*When you look at the stone bridge, it will tell you that it is notorious for its knife fights. This is a reference to [[personal favorites]], where Coach Z and Pom Pom had a knife fight on a [[The Stone Bridge|Stone Bridge]].
*The "OMG!" when you get the coins from inside the log is another example of [[Internet Slang]].
*If you try to talk to the disgruntled cleaning guy inside the sandwich shoppe through the window, the text refers to him as Disgruntor the Cleaninator, an obvious reference to [[Trogdor|Trogdor the Burninator]].
*When in the town, type "Listen to music" to get the response "Sounds like the [[Peasant's Quest]] theme".
*Kigalonian's "doodoomap" is similar to [[Coach Z]]'s mention of "doodoomeat" from the email [[couch patch]].
*Teleporting out of the dungeon is accompanied by the sound effect "VOIP". This sound effect was previously used in [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 1]], the Videlectrix game [[Hallrunner]], and the Strong Bad email [[alternate universe]].
* The back of the box claiming "no more novels" refers to the previous two entries of the series. The first game's box claimed to contain a 400-page manual, while the second game's page title states that the game "Comes with 3 volume set of Thy Encyclopedias and Reference Guide!". This explains why, on the Videlextrix website, the box for Thy Dungeonman 3 is shown as being slimmer than the boxes for the first two games.
*If you look at the stein in the pub after using it, it reads "Thou'll never forget thy old sidekick, Steiny." This refers to [[Strong Badman|Strong Badman's]] sidekick, Stiny.

===Real World References===

*The response "I don't understand you..." is an excerpt from the song [http://www.tmbw.net/wiki/index.php/Fingertips Fingertips] by [[They Might Be Giants]].
*The screen shown when you get the flask for the first time is a reference to the opening sequence of Myst (the image in question also being featured on Myst's original box art).
*The "internal or external command" error message is the message you get in the [[Wikipedia:Windows XP|Windows XP]] console if it doesn't recognize what you type.
*While musing on thoughts of her dead husband, the hag is said to be [[Wikipedia:FernGully|'ferngullying']] and [[Wikipedia:The Land Before Time|'landbeforetiming']], both references to popular early 90's animation franchises.
* One of the possible presents that the hag might have gotten is a [[Wikipedia:Nintendo_64|Nintendo 64]] Controller (Called an N64 Paddle in this game) The controller is popular for being the first in console gaming since 1982 to use the [[Wikipedia:Analog_stick|Analog stick]]. It is also popular for its rather unusual but sucessful three-handled design.
*Just before you begin answering the hag's questions, she says "If ye answers questions three..." This is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Monty Python and the Holy Grail|Monty Python and the Holy Grail]], in which the old man at the Bridge of Death proclaims "Who would cross the Bridge of Death must answer me these questions three."
*If you answer the hag incorrectly, the game refers to her as "Hagatha Christie", a reference to crime author [[Wikipedia:Agatha Christie|Agatha Christie]].
*The error displayed when you type "Go West" when there is no west exit is a reference to the lyrics of two songs: "King of Wishful Thinking" by the band Go West, and "Go West" by the Village People.
*When you've beaten the game, the line "The sanctum begins to rattle and hum" is a reference to the U2 album "Rattle and Hum."
*If you try to pick up the log in the woods west of the crossroads, it says "Painful memories of finishing last in the World's Strongest Dungeonman contest are dredged up." This is a reference to the real life "World's Strongest Man" competition, a tournament which involves completing difficult strength-based challenges.
**In addition the text mentions "Magnus and Junko". Magnus is a reference to either [[Wikipedia:Magnús Ver Magnússon|Magnús Ver Magnússon]] or [[Wikipedia:Magnus Samuelsson|Magnus Samuelsson]], who were both World's Strongest Man Champions. Junko is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Jouko Ahola|Jouko Ahola]], who was another World's Strongest Man Champion.
*"Lonely Dungeon: Westerburg" is a reference to the [http://www.lonelyplanet.com Lonely Planet] series of travel guides.
*If you don't escape from the cauldron in time, it says "Next time, Try Hard 2: Try Harder." This is taken from the film title 'Die Hard 2: Die Harder'.
*The amber/orange-only color palette is a reference to the many vintage monochrome monitors that were released during the Tandy/Apple II/IBM era of computers in the 1980's. The only monochrome monitor that was well known at the time was a green-phosphor monitor. The two other little-known monochrome colors were white-black and amber/orange-black.
*The "Franken Brand stein" is a reference to the famed novel ''[[Wikipedia:Frankenstein|Frankenstein]]''.
*"The Unbearable Lightness of Being" is a novel written by Czech novelist Milan Kundera.
*"Westerberg" is a reference to Paul Westerberg, rock songwriter and singer from 80s punk band “The Replacements.”
*The first picture in the hag's scrapbook is a reference to the games [[Zork]] and [[Return to Zork]].

==See Also==

*[[Thy Dungeonman 3 Walkthrough]]

==External Links==

*[[HR:dman3.html|Play Thy Dungeonman 3]]
*[[HR:thyDungeonman3.swf|Play Thy Dungeonman 3 (Flash file)]]
*[[Forum:8038|Forum thread re: "Thy Dungeonman 3"]]
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[[Category:Thy Dungeonman|3]]

Tompkins

2006-04-24T04:06:04Z

Trelawney: adding a little bit

[[Image:Kiddie_Tompkins.PNG|thumb|left|220px|He never made it out of training pants...]]
[[Image:tompkinteen.png|thumb|right|140px|...or ''did'' he?]]
'''Tompkins''' is a little boy that taunts the [[Teen Girl Squad]] in their preschool days. When the girls taunt him back, he runs off and dies...somehow. When he dies, his body is cut into pieces randomly. Torso takes silver, and apparently, head takes bronze. His toddler voice sounds quite similar to that of [[Lil' Strong Bad]]. He was also in [[rock opera]], where he is shown laughing at and pointing to [[Anonymous]]. He is seen as a teenager in [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]], where he is called to Prinicpal (sic) [[Strong Bad]]'s office (he is in every issue after this except for the short in [[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]]). [[So and So]] thinks he's a renegade, and as The Overachiever Bandit, she even finished the rest of his pre-algebra homework, earning him an A++++++. After So and So "split-up" with [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Brett Bretterson|Brett Bretterson]] she attempted to get to first base with him, but he rejected her whilst playing his [[Wikipedia:Game Boy|Game Boy]]. He is also the only character with braces, and he has red hair.

In the commentary for [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 7#Commentary Transcript|Teen Girl Squad Issue 7]], [[The Brothers Chaps]] state that Tompkins is based on their young cousin. He has threatened to push them down into some snakewater, as Tompkins does to the girls.

==Filmography==
*'''Debut:''' [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 7]]
*[[:Category:Tompkins Filmography|Complete Filmography]]

{{Teen Girl Squad}}

[[Category:Teen Girl Squad Characters]]

Lack of Visible Arms

2006-04-24T02:56:51Z

Trelawney: /* Debatable Characters */ since 'invisible arms' could well be psychokinesis, I've changed the sentence so it doesn't refer to either.

[[Image:Homestar's Arms.PNG|thumb|How does Homestar pick stuff up?]]
One of the ultimate mysteries of [[Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)|HomestarRunner.com]] is that [[Homestar Runner]], [[Marzipan]], [[The King of Town]], [[Homsar]], and many other characters all '''lack visible arms''' and hands. In spite of this, they have the ability to pick stuff up and carry it around. The most common explanations for the phenomenon are that they either have invisible arms or can manipulate objects with some kind of [[Wikipedia:psychokinesis|psychokinesis]]. Usually none of the other characters seem to pay attention to this curiosity, although sometimes their lack of hands is referenced.

==References==
*'''[[Armless Invaders]]''' — Homestar is the "armless invader" of the title.
*Email '''[[vacation]]''' — [[Strong Bad]] imagines, in a hypothetical email from [[Monkey D]], "How does Homestar pick stuff up if he's not wearing any Marzi-pants?"
*Email '''[[action figure]]''' — Homestar's [[Action Figure Character Variations|action figure box]] reads "No arms! Like real life!"
*'''[[The Interview]]''' — Strong Bad refers to Homestar as a "no-armed whitey".
*Email '''[[fingers]]''' — Homestar makes himself a pair of fake arms.
*'''[[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy]]''' — [[Strong Mad]] starts to say that Homestar doesn't have arms, but is cut off by the end of the cartoon.
*'''[[Stinkomanual]]''' — Level 5's intro reads, "1-Up takes matters into his own, um, torso!"

==Oddities==
[[Image:Homestar_head_no_arms.PNG|thumb|Head Hands]]
*'''[[In Search of the Yello Dello]]''' — Marzipan slaps Homestar across the face, leaving a visible handprint.
**In the commentary, Strong Bad says that Marzipan has really nice hands and Homestar replies, "Yeah, I suppose she does."
*'''[[The Reddest Radish]]''' — Marzipan knocks on the door of Homestar's house with her head, despite the fact she could have used her invisible arms/telekinetic powers instead.
**Likewise, in [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]], Homestar knocks on Marzipan's door with his head, although he's probably just being silly, or possibly because he's holding his bagful of candy with both 'hands'.
*'''[[Homestar vs. Little Girl 2]]''' — When Puppet Homestar plays Tag with [[Little Girl]], he touches her with his head.
*Email '''[[the bird]]''' — Strong Bad flips Homestar off, and after Homestar replies "Right back atcha," Strong Bad exclaims, "He just gave me the bird!"
*Email '''[[your friends]]''' — Strong Bad asks Marzipan to hold out her hands; instead of replying that she doesn't have any, she just says she doesn't want to.
*'''[[Strong Bad Sings]]''' — One of Strong Bad's songs is titled "This One Time I Saw Homestar Punching a Kitten in the Throat".
*Email '''[[marzipan]]''' — Strong Bad remarks that "Marzipan can't keep her hands offa" him, although this could be just a figure of speech.
*Email '''[[time capsule]]''' — Homestar is able to manipulate the box, box lid, and wig all at the same time, as if he has multiple invisible arms.
**This is also seen in email [[the show]] and [[Main Page 19]], where Homestar holds a microphone and sorts through a stack of index cards at the same time.
*'''[[Puppet Jam: Everybody Knows It]]''' — Puppet Homestar gives high fives to [[They Might Be Giants]].
*[[Arcade Game]], and emails '''[[50 emails]]''' and '''[[anything]]''' — Homestar can type on a keyboard.
**Similarly, in the [[King of Town Email]] (reached via the [[King of Town Main Page]]), the [[King of Town]] is heard typing on the keyboard of the broken [[Tandy 400]].
*'''[[Puppet Jam: Apple Juice Blues]]''' - Homestar says, "my arm really really hurts," though it is probably [[Matt Chapman]] speaking about his own arm.
*Email '''[[highschool]]''' - In Strong Bad's "doodle memory", Homestar sings "Shaking hands with my man".
*'''[[Biz Cas Fri 1]]''' — When Homestar "helps" Strong Bad with his spreadsheet, Homestar types with his head, when he could type with his "hands" in [[50 emails]], [[anything]], and [[Arcade Game]]
*Email '''[[virus]]''' — Homestar's head falls off his body, and then the ''head'' picks up the links in the navigation bar.

== References to Other Apparently Invisible Body Parts ==
*'''[[The Luau]]''' — [[Pom Pom]], [[Coach Z]], and [[Bubs]] all eat marshmallows, but Pom Pom and Coach Z do not appear to have mouths, and Bubs seems to only have teeth.
*Email '''[[alternate universe]]''' — [[Tiny-Handed Strong Bad]] attempts to dig to China with his ear, despite not having visible ears. Also, [[Stinkoman]] refers to Strong Bad's "big nose".
*Email '''[[impression]]''' — In a tape recording, [[Strong Sad]] tells Strong Bad to stop flicking his ear. Like Strong Bad, Strong Sad does not appear to have visible ears.
*'''[[Fall Float Parade]]''' — Coach Z claims to have "fairly good teeth", despite his apparent lack of a visible mouth.
**Coach Z's "mouthless face" is explicitly mentioned in [[Sbemail 150?!?]], when Strong Sad mentions wanting to pour black coffee over his head.
*Emails '''[[stunt double]]''' and '''[[dangeresque 3]]''' — [[Dangeresque]] wears cool glasses which are apparently held on his head by invisible ears.
**This is also true of Homestar, who wears sunglasses in [[Cool Things]].
**[[The Thnikkaman]] also wears sunglasses but does not appear to have ears or a nose.
*Email '''[[narrator]]''' — Coach Z claims a napkin has his "snot balls" on it, and [[Bubs]] tells him he doesn't even have a nose.

==See also==
*[[How Do You Type With Boxing Gloves On?]]

==Characters With No Visible Arms==
<gallery>
Image:homestar.PNG|<center>'''[[Homestar Runner]]'''</center>
Image:marzipan.png|<center>'''[[Marzipan]]'''</center>
Image:kot.PNG|<center>'''[[The King of Town]]'''</center>
Image:homsarcharacter.PNG|<center>'''[[Homsar]]'''</center>
Image:thehstarr2.png|<center>'''[[The Homestar Runner|The Homestar Runner]]'''</center>
Image:marzipan1936.PNG|<center>'''[[Old-Timey Marzipan]]'''</center>
Image:20x6homestar.png|<center>'''[[1-Up]]'''</center>
Image:wheelchair.png|<center>'''[[The Wheelchair]]'''</center>
Image:the knight.png|<center>'''[[The Knight]]'''</center>
Image:Little Chef Dude KOT DVD.PNG|<center>'''[[The Little Chef Guy]]'''</center>
Image:yodeling man.png|<center>'''[[Unnamed Characters#The Yodeling Man|The Yodeling Man]]'''</center>
</gallery>

=== Debatable Characters ===
These characters lack visible arms, but have never been seen to manipulate objects.

<gallery>
Image:Prince of Town.png|<center>'''[[The Prince of Town]]'''</center>
Image:teh goblin.PNG|<center>'''[[The Goblin]]'''</center>
Image:the two kids.png|<center>'''[[The Sad Kids]]'''</center>
Image:Unnamed_Girl.PNG|<center>'''[[Rejected Characters#Unnamed Girl|Unnamed Girl]]'''</center>
Image:hswin.PNG|<center>'''[[Rejected Characters#Homeschool Winner|Homeschool Winner]]'''</center>
Image:theunguraits.png|<center>'''[[Rejected Characters#The Unguraits|The Unguraits]]'''</center>
</gallery>
[[Category:Activity running gags]]

Strong Bad's (Mis)use of English

2006-04-22T16:54:07Z

Trelawney: changed 'though' to 'although', I think it sounds better

Although [[Strong Bad]] is quite obsessive about everyone's [[Spelling|grammar and punctuation]], he still makes some of the same mistakes himself. Everything from missing punctuation marks to made-up words to the occasional blatant spelling error grace the pages of his [[Strong Bad Email|emails]].

== Strong Bad's Mistakes ==

*[[some kinda robot]] - In his very first email, Strong Bad misspells "before you go to bed" as "before you ''got'' to bed."
*[[i love you]] - ''Fhqwhgads'' is misspelled as ''Fhqwgads'', missing the h in between w and g. This is ironic because Strong Bad [[sibbie|later]] complains about people misspelling it in emails.
*[[i she be]] - Strong Bad types the phrase "all i gotta say..." The ''i'' isn't capitalized.
*[[duck pond]] - Strong Bad misspells ''unfortunately'' as ''unfortunatley''.
*[[band names]] - A space is added before, rather than after, a comma in this email: ''"the easiest way is to ,you know..."''
*[[dullard]] - Strong Bad incorrectly uses the one-word adjective ''everyday'' instead of the two-word adverb ''every day''.
*[[techno]] - Strong Bad uses the possessive form of its instead of it's in the statement, "well, its not really my style." He later lionizes Dan D. in [[local news]] for the same mistake.
*[[dragon]] - After demonstrating how to draw Trogdor, Strong Bad says, "Let's see how the other students are doing." However, when he types it, he omits the word ''see''.
*[[the show]] - Not only does Strong Bad miss a question mark in this email (''"And what's with that flying mushroom he's always advertizing for."''), he also neglects to capitalize The Cheat's name (as ''the cheat''), and later the ''The'' in The Cheat's name.
*[[funny]] - Strong Bad misspells the filename of his email client, strongbad_email.exe, at the beginning of the email as stongbad_email.exe, though this may be a reference to being called "Stong Bad" in [[50 emails]].
*[[the process]] - After stating that he makes fun of people's poor grammar and spelling, Strong Bad promptly misspells the word ''occasionally'' as ''occassionally.''
*[[monument]] - After explaining that he was distracted by the Thnikkaman, Strong Bad omits a period: "So you can see why I got distracted".
*[[pom pom]] - Strong Bad makes a spelling error in his letter to "General and Fraulein Pom Pom." ''Fräulein'' should be written with the [[Wiki:umlaut|umlaut]] over the "a" as shown. It is also politically incorrect to use ''Fräulein'' in modern Germany, but the term used to mean "young woman." He is wrong to use it in either case and should have used ''Frau'' instead. Strong Bad is obviously not fluent in German.
*[[pizzaz]] - Of the accepted spellings of this email's title, none are used in this email. Correct spellings include ''pizazz'' and ''pizzazz''. Strong Bad not only misses this, he even adopts the misspelling throughout in a very uncharacteristic move.
*[[time capsule]] - Strong Bad types "your hot single Mom" at one point. In this situation, after the posessive "your," mom doesn't need to be capitalized.
*[[part-time job]] - Strong Bad misses a question mark at the beginning; "What do you mean do I do anything else besides checking e-mails."
*[[origins]] - Curiously, Strong Bad misspells curiosity as ''curiousity''.
*[[rampage]] - Strong Bad stresses the importance of the "M.L.A. handbook." However, the actual MLA doesn't use periods in its abbreviation.
*[[garage sale]] - Continuing his bad grammar on moms everywhere, Strong Bad types "the only joke Moms have." ''Moms'' shouldn't be capitalized in this instance.
*[[bottom 10]] - Though it is spelled properly in the bottom 10 list, the word ''chocolate'' appears as ''chocloate'' on Strong Bad's monitor at the end of the email.
*[[portrait]] - Strong Bad misplaces a period. "Guess what? Nobody calls you Coolio da Fabio (aka quit making up nicknames for yourself.)" The period should be outside the parentheses, but Strong Bad puts it inside.
*[[secret identity]] - When Strong Bad asks "have you ever seen The Poopsmith and I...", it should be "The Poopsmith and ''me''".
*[[pop-up]] - Strong Bad types "four year-old." As an adjective for the implied noun "child," it should be written "four-year-old."

== Strong Bad's Made-up Words and Phrases ==
*[[guitar]] - Strong Bad refers to ''trembalos'', which is a mangling of ''[[Wikipedia:tremolo|tremolo]]'', a rapid repetition of the same note, or an alternation between two or more notes.
*[[dragon]] - Strong Bad invents ''burninator'', ''burninate'', and ''burninating'' in order to describe his dragon, [[Trogdor]].
*[[crazy cartoon]] - Strong Bad uses the contraction ''I'ma'', a combination of ''I'm'' and ''gonna'' which is a [[Wikipedia:List of slang used in hip-hop music|hip-hop slang term]]. [[Coach Z]] later says this in [[flashback]].
*[[suntan]] - Strong Bad says that the "Ab-Abber" can make him a ''thousandaire''... or, at least, a ''hundredaire''. He also creates the phrase ''[[All up ons]]''. ''Hundredaire'' is also used in [[part-time job]].
*[[local news]] - Strong Mad's subtitle, written on an [[Index Cards|index card]], reads "''Sportscarster'' Strong Mad." Strong Bad seems to be the culprit of this misspelling because (A) he threw together the news broadcast and (B) it's his handwriting, as seen in [[dragon]].
*[[kind of cool]] - Strong Bad uses the word ''anyways'', an unnecessary plural of ''anyway''.
*[[lackey]] - Three words coalesce into one in this email: ''Some the times'' becomes ''somethetimes''.
*[[monument]] - Strong Bad refers to the [[Stop Sign]] as having "all the ''rightness'' of a foot without all the ''footdom'' of a right."
*[[car]] - Using a figure of speech called [[Wikipedia:tmesis|tmesis]], Strong Bad inserts ''dang'' into the word ''anyway'' to make ''anydangway''.
*[[lunch special]] - Strong Bad changes the email "someone" sent to him to end with "Keep on ''tranglin''".
*[[haircut]] - ''Barbzerdry'', a [[Wikipedia:Portmanteau|portmanteau]] of ''barber'' and ''wizardry''
*[[theme park]] - In describing the mascots for [[Strong Bad's Mount RidesPlace USA]], Strong Bad turns a noun into a verb: ''antic-ing''.
*[[time capsule]] - Strong Bad creates the word ''coolty'' to describe something the people of the future definitely won't doubt about him.
*[[animal]] - The deep sea ''fanglyfish'' is another new invention of Strong Bad's, both literally and physically.
*[[part-time job]] - Strong Bad refers to himself as a ''hundredaire socialite''. ("Hundredaire" was repeated from suntan.)
*[[secret recipes]] - In order to cover up the fact that Strong Bad has a recipe for cooking The Cheat, he invents the countries/cities of ''Bumdumbourge'' and ''Totalslava''. The Cheat, as evidenced by his later [[Wrestleman|reading choices]], doesn't buy it.
*[[best thing]] - Strong Bad claims to be doing ''rrll rrll'' well in this email. This apparantly has the same meaning as ''real real'' well, just with no vowels and twice the consonants akin to [[Wikipedia:Grrl|grrl]].
*[[do over]] - The return of ''anydangway'', a word Strong Bad used in [[car]].
*[[modeling]] - Strong Bad wants to advertise a product called ''Colognac'' (pronnounced Coe-lone-yak). This is a combination of ''cologne'', or men's fragrance, and ''cognac'', a type of distilled liquor.
*[[bedtime story]] - The words ''dadbysitter'', ''grodalated'' and ''gewd'' are coined in this email.
*[[portrait]] - ''Onwardly'', possibly an adverb form of onward.
*[[highschool]] - Strong Bad greets Patrick, the sender of the email, with ''cowichewa''.
*[[death metal]] - The words ''extracurriculariffic'' and ''geographist'' are coined in this email. (The correct word for ''geographist'' is ''geographer''.)
*[[technology]] - Strong Bad refers to Pom Pom's ''Tellular Cellaphone'' in this email.
*[[pop-up]] - Strong Bad refers to a tab on his "fleshtangle". He also mentions ''cornuco-pourri'', probably a portmanteau of ''cornucopia'' and ''potpourri''.

==See Also==
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[[Category:Lists|Lists]]
[[Category:Strong Bad Email]]

Talk:Main Page

2006-04-19T01:10:20Z

Trelawney: /* Is it over? */

{{Main Page Talk}}

== Everyperson and cheat go to www.gamefaqs.com now. ==

After the pank page, at the main page there a poll of the day: This weeks one was gibberish until i found this:

Poll of the Day ? Snakes on a Plane 0.999~ = 1 You Bought An N-Gage, Didn't You? All Your Base Are Belong To Us YOUR HEAD A SPLODE LUEshi O RLY? YA RLY!

Ps: I'm using Mozila firefox, so it doesn't turn out the same, but go to it now!!?

PPS: Sorry if i yell or demand from all of you guys and the cheats.

Nikolce Kocovski 06:01, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

:Yeah, the poll of the day's probably over by now. I did notice it though, a nice addition to "sightings". (I voted for "YOUR HEAD A SPLODE") ;) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 08:54, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

::I voted for LUEshi, of course. It's my duty. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 14:48, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

:::What does that *mean*, anyhow? -[[User:YK|YK]] 21:35, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
::::See [[Wikipedia:GameFAQs message boards#LUE|LUE]] and [[Wikipedia:Yoshi|Yoshi]], then see [[Wikipedia:LUEshi|LUEshi]]. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 21:37, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::Well, the weirdest stuff becomes popular, I guess... Thanks for clearing that up. -<strike>Y2K</strike> [[User:YK|YK]] 04:28, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

== File Download? ==

Whenever I click the edit tab at the top of any page, it comes up with a window asking me if I want to save a file. The file is "index.php". I always click "Cancel" to be on the safe side but that means I can't edit. Strangely, it haven't got this problem before and it doesn't appear if I try to edit anonymously. Also, I can edit without getting this window if I edit a section, revert a page or start a new comment (like what I am doing now). It's only if I click on the edit tab at the top. Does this happen to anyone else and is the file OK to save? Please help because I can't edit efficently! {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:33, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
:"Good news, everyone!" "I think I has the soloution!" OK, enough quotes. The main thing is, I don't have the File Download problem anymore! I think because of yesterday's April Fool's prank, my preferences got messed up somehow. You see, I had the "Use external editor by default" option checked which really meant "Download files onto my computer so they can be edited in a text editing program". By unchecking this option, it doesn't try to save any files so there's no more problems! "Thanks for your help, you old broom stick!" {{User:The Chort/sig}} 18:43, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

== HA HA, I knew it! ==
Man, that was funny! NOT! No hard feelings, though.--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 16:48, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
:I actually enjoyed the prank. It's just that when people pretending to be other people say it's real that it gets annoying.—[[User:StrongstarRunbad|S*R]] 17:28, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
::Bitterly hinting at me does ''not'' change anything, WeakSquareWalkGood. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 17:38, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
:::Not just you; there were others. I'm just too lazy to browse the archives.—[[User:StrongstarRunbad|S*R]] 23:23, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

== WikiTikiTavi & server load ==

Is WikiTikiTavi really easier on a single server than MediaWiki, or was that a joke as well? [[User:Jecowa|Jecowa]] 16:49, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

*Probably, considering that WTT is a less powerful engine, but it is pretty unlikely that there would be a need to switch softwares. The pages may have been less because there was less formatting, but images seem to me to be the most demanding. {{User:Dylnuge/sig}} 17:09, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

::All that stuff about 'Tavi being better for our setup was made up. In fact, it was purposely exaggerated a bit so that people would realize it was a joke. 'Tavi wouldn't stand a chance running our wiki, which is why we switched away from it in the first place. Happy April Fool's! — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:17, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

:::I really enjoyed the prank until gullible people started yelling that it was happening and switching sigs. Now I'm almost afraid of what's up y'all's sleeves for next year! =P —[[User:StrongstarRunbad|S*R]] 02:15, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

== Format ==

Come on, guys! That Tavi prank was kind of in poor taste. You really had me convinced, though. I'll give you that. Could you knid of avoid doing that? It had me seriously concerned.--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 18:11, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

:Eh, I thought it was really funny. I was serious when I said I was happy to use the WTT software, though. Not only was it a prank, but it was a special treat for people who didn't get to use it/a source of nostalga for older users. I'm looking forward to seeing how they top it next year. --{{User:acekirby13/sig}} 18:50, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
By the way, for those who are wondering, there's already been a ''lot'' of conversation today that's been [[HRWiki:Main Page Talk Archive 11|archived]]. I don't want to rehash any of that, but I do want to seize the opportunity to get preachy as usual. This whole thing had ''me'' "seriously concerned," for a number of reasons.
#A number of people knew, or were fairly sure, that it was a joke, but were very angry anyway and talked about crying for hours, leaving forever, or doing unspecified things with machine guns. I'm concerned about these people senses of humor. In particular it was called "cruel" more than once. People spoke as though we'd called a transportation strike in NYC, instead of simply changed the appearance (not even the functionality!) of a reference website about an Internet cartoon. If losing the soft blues and reds of the HRWiki really caused you substantial pain and suffering, then maybe the wiki is a ''little'' too important in your life!
#A number of other people decided it was for real, and reacted even more violently. Now, in their defense, it's kind of understandable that a change that huge, enacted with ''no'' warning or discussion, would raise some ruckus (see the next point: ''that's why it wouldn't happen!''). But I'm concerned about this demographic, too, and their ability to handle change. What if this ''had'' been real? I was really saddened to see that so many people were ready to simply throw in the towel and walk away, or used their departure as threats. While it's safe to say that this particular change will never happen around here, Change, in general, happens. Relationships break up. Parents remarry. You get a new boss. You get in a car wreck. If you can't handle your wiki changing color, how are you going to roll with ''those'' punches?
#Finally, for both groups, a word of stern comfort. At one point, JoeyDay [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=next&oldid=298224 said] that the sysops had been discussing the change for a long time in [[HRWiki:Da Basement|Da Basement]], and that it had been archived by now. A lot of people did a lot of tricks with code and other techie methods of trying to prove or disprove that it was a hoax, but ''all it really took was following up on his claim.'' There was no discussion there, archived or otherwise. And that brings me to the heart of today's sermon. '''This kind of change wouldn't happen without a lot of discussion and wiki consensus.''' Remember? That's how things are done around here. We vote on stuff. We talk about it incessantly for weeks. The wiki is not "run" by sysops or admins in the sense that they randomly decide, in secret, to do something and then put it in place overnight. (Um... hehe... with the exception of this once.) ''This'' concerns me, that people would seriously think a change like that that affected everyone would be enacted without discussion, warning, input, or participation. I would hope people trust the sysops ''not'' to pull something like that, or, if they did, would stand up to them and supportively, constructively, but courageously tell them it's not right.
#In conclusion:
#Perspective is good;
#Change is inevitable (except from a vending machine);
#Give the wiki more credit;
#Investigate explanations; and
#When in doubt... '''chill.''' (If we were steering a [[Nuclear Class Submarine "Soccermom"|Nuclear Class Submarine]], a moments' hesitation or reflection and a relaxed attitude would be deadly. ''We're not.'')
#This concludes How To Make April Fool's Educational in Ten Easy Steps. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:57, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

:For the record, I trusted the sysops completely. I think that that's a sign of how truly good you guys were. But I still can't see why there was so many people trying to prove it wrong. I heard countless people (you know who you are) trying to prove to me that it was a prank. I ''cannot believe'' that you thought there would be ''any'' benefit in ruining the prank for everyone. Why? Why did you think it was so imperative to make sure people knew and the sysop's trick was ruined? Because even if I knew, at least I would keep a secret better. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 21:56, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
::Oh, and for once, I actually got preachy before Abdi. It just got deleted by Dot com. Yay! — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 21:57, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
:::The difference here, of course, is that AbdiViklas has the wisdom and authority to be preachy. When he speaks, you should listen. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:56, 2 April 2006 (UTC)
::::And I have. The thing is, though, is whether or not I had the wisdom, at least there was meaning. It wasn't mistaking this place as a soapbox as you so "kindly" put it. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 00:16, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::There were ''two'' criteria listed above, not just one. Wisdom was just the first of the two. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:49, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::"Authority" is now needed to try to make the Wiki a better place, I'm assuming? - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::Um, no. But you ''do'' need some authority before you publicly address the wiki as a whole. Let me clarify that I don't mean that sysops are the only ones with any authority. Lots of users have it to some degree, and in particular it comes with making good edits, showing good judgement, having experience, and being noticed for those things. Also, if you're going to address the wiki, it helps when what you're posting is, well, correct, and what was originally posted here was ''incorrect''. It tried to sum up the April 1 events while we were still in the midst of them, and it didn't take into account the fact that it was all just a prank. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:27, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

==Yet Another Prank-Related Topic==

I knew it had to be a prank, I'm no wiki expert but I know enough to know that Tavi couldn't possibly work. Good acting job, though! {{User:Granola/sig}} 22:01, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

:I knew it was a joke because the Captcha extension I designed was still working properly on the site. n0dalus

<big><big>Not Another Prank-Related Topic</big></big>
----
I knew it was a prank because, well... I saw it happen first hand. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:19, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

:I knew it was a prank after I viewed the source code that showed "tavistyle.css," saw that [[Special:Version]] still said they were using MediaWiki, saw that all of the article names still had spaces/underscores in them (something distinctly ''not'' a feature of WikkiTikkiTavi without extensive custom modification--which they couldn't have done in a day), noticed that the "switch" was made arbitrarily in one day with no forewarning, and after all the other obvious giveaways (like when they started making up crap like "X32 caching," which I don't believe is actually real). -- {{User:Soapergem/sig}} 07:53, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
::I knew it was a prank because it wasn't how the admins usually behaved. They'd get all our approval, or at least tell of it first, and would try to format it to be more user-friendly and familiar before the switch, not months later. But I went along with it anyway to make it more confusing. I qualify as an "admin", right? >.> - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 14:01, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

:::I was too lazy to dig into the code to find out. See, doing that much work would defeat the original purpose of my coming to hrwiki.org (updates column is better than the "Whats New" button on H*R.com) - being too lazy to dig around and find out any H*R stuff I want to know for myself. --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 14:14, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

::::I knew it was just an April Fool's prank when I saw [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Template:whatsnew&diff=prev&oldid=298514 this edit]. I tried to add it to this page but Lapper deleted it! "Next episode, Lapper! Next episooooode!" {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:18, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

:::::If I didn't already know about it beforehand, my first clues would probably be from the fact that all the pages (other than the main page) were all identical, and given how much pain it was (or at least seemed to be from looking at the history) to convert from 'tavi to MediaWiki in the first place. Then there's the fact that all the special pages, apart from existing at all for some of them, looked identical to before (watchlist, history, edit, etc, etc)... at that point I'd probably check things like the source code, [[Special:Specialpages]] and [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]] to check it was really just MediaWiki. Then I'd laugh and join in the fun. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 14:23, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

=== WTT Theme? ===
Is there any chance that the prank theme will be made into an actual wiki-theme everyone else will use? It looked kind of cool. (I know the main page was changed to support it, but still.) --[[User:AndrewNeo|AndrewNeo]] 17:24, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

:[[User:It's dot com|Dot com]] was planning on doing that, yes. Watch for it in the next while most likely. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 17:26, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Great theme! But I did notice there's no link to the Fanstuff on the WTT skin. Could this possibly be fixed? -[[User:Lunar Jesters|Jesty]][[User talk:Lunar Jesters|Talk]] 10:47, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

:The fanstuff wiki link is on the fake main page. It wasn't a separate wiki back then and so isn't up in the links at the top. Since we were trying to make our prank as close to the original as possible (while still maintaining basic functionality), we didn't include it. I have enabled the skin choice in the preferences mostly for the sake of recording our history. If someone actually plans to use the skin on an everyday basis and needs the link, I'll consider going to the trouble to add it, but for now I'm not going to worry about it. Glad you like it overall, though! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:40, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

== Probably Another Prank-Related Topic - Underlying community problem? ==

Now, I may not be the king of enlightened observations, but a pretty good general rule of life is: "'''If your Wiki nearly blows itself up over a simple April Fool's prank, there may be some underlying problems in the community.'''" Now, if you'll excuse me, I'll just go back to my little corner of the Wiki and hide again. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:Yeah, I think you meant, "If your users blow themselves up over a simple prank, then they need to take a look in the mirror and ask themselves why they're freaking out over nothing." I could also make several generalizations about those who went bonkers, but I believe I'll postpone... — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:47, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
::<s>I think we may be thinking on the same wavelength when it comes to the generalizations, here. Either way, I did tend to mean the major "user gap" here, due to the NSMC newuser lock. We lost influx for the month that the lock was in place, then all came in a burst, having to learn the ropes at the same time. We've kind of been overwhelmed since. For visual reference:</s><pre>If you want to see the dang thing, look in the history. I'm sick of misinterpretations.</pre><s>Just kind of a quick mockup, you get the picture. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}</s>
Forget it, the whole thing was taken as some kind of ploy for superiority and eliteism by the "oldbies". - {{User:Kookykman/sig}} 00:53, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

:I love that graph. It reminds me of MS-DOS for some reason. :D [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]

:: I think the graph realy shows...something. I was around as a user during the User gap but I didn't learn any thing. {{User:pieinbubsface/sig}} 02:29, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

:::Heh, nice little graph you got there, pretty accurate, if you ask me. I like the term "Era of Good Feelings". {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 02:35, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

::::The term "Era of Good Feelings" seems to me designed to alienate and offend new users like me who are genuinely trying to be useful and intelligent contributors to the community. But that's just me. {{User:Bassbone/sig}} 07:18, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

::::I don't know; I'm not doubting your graph so much as the idea that it's connected to Saturday's ruckus. Most of the people making the most noise were major users (as opposed to occasional ones). And actually I'm not all that convinced of the graph now that you mention it; I predate NSMC, and when I joined there were a number of prominent users and minor users both who dropped off the radar since ([[User:Thesmokingmonkey|Thesmokingmonkey]] comes to mind). And back then there were both kinds of users joining too, and the occasional spammer and/or minor vandal. No, I think the only difference is we're seeing the exponential growth in popularity of the wiki, so we simply have ''more'' of everything now than we did a year ago. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:28, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

:::::Woah, I'm sorry about the "Era of Good Feelings" thing. It was just supposed to be a stupid reference to the time in American history after the War of 1812 when Federalist party dissolved and there were few disagreements. The graph wasn't meant to alienate anyone, or claim superiority of pre-NSMC users. Also, Abdi, sorry about making it look like there were no spammers or vandals pre-NSMC, I should've made that apparent. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}} 20:41, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

::::::This will sound strange, but, does ANYONE like me here? I joined after the "era of good feelings", because I couldn't join during it. So, what? You're gonna sacrifice other possible users, um, userdom for yourself? I mean, if the wiki's gettin' hit hard, I can understand a 1 or 2 day block of all IPs and new users, maybe even a week, but, this one was like a month or two. So, seriously, this "Era of Good Feelings" can be renamed "Era of Selfishness". Sorry, just I hate it when users say the time I had to sit here and bookmark all of the pages I found errors in and couldn't fix was a "happy time". And, no offense to anyone, just, please everyone, stop saying it was a happy time. It truely wasn't for me. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 22:41, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Why does everyone think that I unilaterally hate every new person? When did I say that? I've been saying there are some 'troublemakers' since the boom, but we've gained some awesome new people! Bluebry, '''you're''' constructive, amazingly! One of the best of the new bunch! - {{User:Kookykman/sig}} This happens everytime I open my stupid yap. I dig a hole for myself.

:Oh! Wait. I just read the thing above mine. Umm, I retract my statement. And to Kooky: Thanks! {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 00:54, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

::Hey, I should be the one thanking you. Sorry about not explaining myself earlier. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

:::Why not thank each other? {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 01:57, 6 April 2006 (UTC)
:I for one hated the "Era of Good Feelings". It was okay for a while, but then things started slowing down, expecially that little subwiki thing you may or may not have heard of. Didn't help how H*R stopped updating for a month. >.> - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 16:47, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

== HEEELP ==

I have an account that dosen't have lowercase letters and it won't let me in!
:What's your username? {{User:LePorello/sig}} 15:59, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

:You sure it's ''here'' and not at the forum or fanstuff? All three are separate accounts. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 23:20, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

==Strong Bad's lack of knowledge of the current date==

Should there be a page on Strong Bad's commonly dating things "1987", "1998", etc?

:First of all, you can check [[1987]] for mentions of the year. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 01:20, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
::That doens't mean he doens't know the current date. He kind of screwed it up at the end of [[alternate universe]], however. {{User:Ed smildE/signature}} 01:32, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
::What about Trogdor Con '97 or Awexome Cross '98?

== Sort of Ironic But... ==

It's sort of ironic that I'm posting this here...but would it make sense to create a [[HRWiki:General Discussion]] page for general discussion instead of having it all posted here? I'm not saying that it's a problem that general discussion is found here, I'm just saying that it would make more sense. -[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 01:30, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

:It has pretty much become wikihabit to use Talk:Main Page not for discussing the Main Page, but for general discussion relating to the wiki. I don't believe that we need a seperate page. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 01:32, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

::Also the [[HRWiki talk:The Stick|talk page for our community portal]] is another place things are discussed. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:28, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

== [[Special:BrokenRedirects]] ==

Hey, I'm gettin' ome weird things, will someone verify if it's just my compy/browser (Mozilla Suite, if it helps) or if it's some error in the software. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 01:50, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
:This is what I see:
:#[[User talk:Yeltensic]] (Edit) → [[User:Yeltensic ]]
:#[[Game Boy in a Blender]] (Edit) → [[Special:Undelete]]
:More or less, anyways. What's yours like? Am I correct in thinking these are links that redirect to a page that doesn't exist...? Never seen anything in the list before, so... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::That's it. I just thought it was really weird. Anyone know the problem/solution? {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 02:03, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
:::[[User talk:Yeltensic]] does not contain a redirect. [[Game Boy in a Blender]] redirects to [[Blender]]. No idea why these 2 would be listed. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:10, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
::::I am now showing no broken redirects. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:15, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::I am now showing the [[Game Boy in a Blender]] one. ! {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:16, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::Same as me. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 02:17, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Dot com's under the sink with the wrenches now. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:18, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Dunno how it got messed up in the first place, but I fixed the problem. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:19, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Mr. Dot com, you fixed the Wiki. How did- what's your secret? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:19, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

==Something Weird on my Talkpages==

This might be related to the subject above (I see that my old talkpage was mentioned). I got a notification e-mail for my old talkpage ([[User talk:Yeltensic]]), saying that it had been edited by Dot com, but when I went there it was unchanged (I checked the history). Then, when I logged in as Granola, I got the "new messages" box, but that talkpage was also unchanged. {{User:Granola/sig}} 03:23, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, I had to pull some strings to get the database to reset itself. It should be normal now. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:36, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
::Oh, I guess it thought you had edited the pages because of that. I was puzzled at first as to why you were posting on my old talkpage, when I saw the e-mail. Anyway, good work fixing the database. {{User:Granola/sig}} 04:23, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

== Pics ==

Can these pics be used?: [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/1/1e/Boll.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/6/6e/Clock.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/c/c1/Stinkomann.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/7/77/Sbhead.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/d/de/Sbe.PNG] [http://homestarrunner.com/hsicons/sbIM1.gif] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/b/bc/Sbemail.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/f/ff/Lady_fan.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/b/bd/Sbdoll.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/8/80/Weirdsb.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/f/fb/Sbposter.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/5/58/AAHSB%21.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/a/ae/Rhinofeedstrongbad.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/b/b7/Zone.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/3/3c/Zzold.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/0/03/Mariopaintstrongofbadness.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/6/69/Zzzzzzz.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/b/b2/Tgs.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/b/bf/Cakee.JPG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/2/26/System.PNG] [http://www.editthis.info/pictures/images/pictures/1/18/Hat.PNG]

--{{User:The thing/sig}} 20:22, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

:Used where? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:36, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

::That's what I'm asking. --{{User:The thing/sig}} 20:45, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

:::These images were hotlinked from another website and we would never include them in an article in such a state. Please see [[HRWiki:Image use policy]] and [[HRWiki:Standards]] for more information. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:18, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

::::I meen to upload here. --{{User:The thing/sig}} 21:42, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

:::::I don't see any reason to upload those images at this time. If we have a genuine need for anything like that, we can easily generate our own versions. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:53, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

== I need help with adding pics 2 the site!!!! ==

Anyone who knows how to add pictures/images and other helpfull hints please tell me....

-Krosskid91

:For images, please visit [[Help:Image]]. For learning other syntax, try the pages listed in [[:Category:Help]]. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 22:00, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

==Is it over?==

Is H*R over?! I mean, no new updates. Sewiouswy!

:Yep, it's over. We can all go back to work now. No, actually they're talking a little break for the Easter holidays, in all likelihood, and there'll be more soon. Don't forget Mike and Missy are startting a family too, so that takes time as well. Patience. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:56, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

::Don't forget the Great Drought of December '05 - January '06. That was a lot longer then the drought that's going on right now. They're probably just taking a break from all the 150th email work. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 21:58, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

::I didn't give it a second thought. Heh. - [[User:Volbeat A The Cheat|Volbeat A The Cheat]] 00:00, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

:::Yeah, but now I'm getting worried. Someone live in the Atlanta area check to see if they're okay?--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 15:46, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

::::C'mon. It's way, ''way'' too early to hit the panic button. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:58, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::Sadly, it appears that Don Chapman, Mike and Matt's dad, died this weekend. See [http://www.legacy.com/atlanta/Obituaries.asp?Page=LifeStory&PersonID=17419376 his obituary]. I ask that we all please ''not panic'' and that we bear with the Chapmans in this difficult time. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 16:04, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::Is that so...Funny how we thought at the Great Drought of 05-06, someone had died and then it turned out the Chappos were still alive. Now...no wonder there's been a drought. I'll wait. --[[User:Kiwi|I
Survived the Great Drought of '05-'06!]] 16:13, 18 April 2006
:::::::While there hasn't been any new *site* content lately, there *were* a few store updates and a new Podstar Runner toon, so it's not like they're doing *nothing*. -{{User:YK/sig}} 20:16, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Should the notice about Don Chapman's death be posted on the wiki main page, and not just the recent changes? I wish I wasn't just some random fan so I could give them my condolences. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]

==Sbemails gone==
When I accessed the Sbemail page on the official site, the list was completley gone. The page was there, but there were no emails, and pressing the random button took you to 404'd. I tried to access them directly by URL, but it didn't work. What's really wierd is that the toons still work. Does anyone know what's happening? - {{User:NachoMan/sig}}00:23, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
:It's working for me. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:25, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::I'm watching sbemail72 right now. Works fine, so does the list. You may have experienced a temporary server glitch or perhaps a user-side browser malfunction. Clear your cache and try it again. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:26, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
:::Fine with my browser. Which one do you have? {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 00:27, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
::::Well, I was using AOL to not take up too many windows. I tryed it in Internet Explorer and it worked again. Tanks. - {{User:NachoMan/sig}}00:30, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Teen Girl Squad Issue 5

2006-04-14T22:44:07Z

Trelawney: /* Inside References */ this sentence had no subject! oh my!

{{tgsnav|5|Teen_Girl_Squad_Issue_4|Issue 4|Decemberween Teen Girl Squad|Issue 6}}

[[Image:tgs5.PNG|200px|thumb|They miss video games]]

Cheerleader, So And So, and The Ugly One go on Spring Break (they "forgot" to call What's Her Face) and try to hang out with some college boys (or "Olda Boys," as Cheerleader says).

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Cheerleader}}, {{Film|So and So}}, {{Film|What's Her Face}}, {{Film|The Ugly One}}, [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Fat Bird|Fat Bird]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Olda Boys|Olda Boys]], {{Film|Arrow'd Guy}}, [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Henry Rollins, Abraham Lincoln, and George Washington|George Washington]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Henry Rollins, Abraham Lincoln, and George Washington|Abraham Lincoln]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Henry Rollins, Abraham Lincoln, and George Washington|Henry Rollins]], {{Film|Thomas}}

'''Places:''' [[Teen Girl Squad Locations#What's Her Face's House|What's Her Face's House]], [[Teen Girl Squad Locations#Teen Girl Squad Field|The Field]], [[Teen Girl Squad Locations#The Beach|The Beach]], [[Teen Girl Squad Locations#Skateboarding Half-Pipe|Skateboarding Half-Pipe]]

'''Date:''' March 1, 2004

'''Running Time:''' 1:57

'''Page Title:''' Spring Type Break!

== Transcript ==
'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' Teen Girl Squad!! Cheerleader! ''{two piece!}'' So and So! ''{one piece!}'' What's Her Face! ''{same clothes!}'' The Ugly One! ''{three piece?!!}''

''{Open scene to What's Her Face standing by her mailbox. "W HERFACE" is printed on the side of the mailbox.}''

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' I got a postcard.

''{Cut to the postcard as What's Her Face reads.}''

<pre>dear the one with
baggy pants,
WE'RE ON SPRiNG BREAK!!
We tried to call you but we
forgot. We are having WAY
too much fun and we'll try
to remember to bring you a
shell or some sand.
signed,
the other girls</pre>

''{What's Her Face stops reading before "signed". Cut back to What's Her Face and the mailbox. She flips the card over.}''

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' This side has birds on it.

''{The mailbox chomps the card. What's Her Face's jaw drops.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD''': CHOMP!

''{Cut to a fat bird perched on a sign saying "meanwhile, ON VACATiON". Then cut to the beach, with Cheerleader, So and So, and The Ugly One in their bathing suits.}''

'''ALL THREE:''' ''{shrieking}'' WE'RE ON VACATION!

'''SO AND SO:''' It's like the fun never ends!

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Let's go put our stuff down by them olda boys.

''{Cut to a scene of two Olda Boys lying on towels. A nearby cooler reads "College Drinks".}''

'''OLDA BOY 1:''' I miss video games.

'''OLDA BOY 2:''' I miss my mom.

''{Cut back to the girls. Cheerleader is already off-screen, So and So is on her way.}''

'''SO AND SO:''' I bet they play sports!

''{So and So exits to the left.}''

'''THE UGLY ONE:''' Ooh... I'm too '''NERVOUS'''! ''

''{The Ugly One sticks her head in the sand. The fat bird perches on her.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' PERCH!

'''THE UGLY ONE:''' My lungs are filling up with sand. And cigarrette butts.

''{Cut back to the Olda Boys. Cheerleader and So and So have arrived. The cooler full of "college drinks" has been moved or has disappeared.}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Hiya boys! Is this spot taken?

'''CHEERLEADER:''' We're in college!

'''SO AND SO:''' ''{Overlapping}'' We're in 8th grade!

''{Cheerleader turns and frowns at So and So.}''

'''OLDA BOYS:''' HA HA HA HA!

''{Cheerleader punts So and So off-screen.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' PUNT!

'''SO AND SO:''' Ow! My hopes of reaching 1st base!

'''CHEERLEADER:''' ''{turns back to the Olda Boys}'' Oh, that's just my little sister who's at least 5 years younger than me. She's never kissed a boy.

'''OLDA BOY 1:''' You look the same age.

'''CHEERLEADER:''' ''{jumps, grows fangs, raises arms and shouts at the Olda Boys}'' I'M 5 YEARS OLDER AND IN COLLEGE!!!

''{Cut to Arrow'd Guy wearing a captain's outfit, piloting the S.S. INEVITABLE. The boat breaks Cheerleader in half.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' SAILING MISHAP!!

''{Cut back to the Olda Boys. The cooler of "college drinks" can be seen again.}''

'''OLDA BOY 2:''' I'm gonna miss her.

'''OLDA BOY 1:''' I'm gonna miss video games.

''{Cut to The Ugly One, whose head is still perched in the sand.}''

'''THE UGLY ONE:''' I hope nobody cool or famous is staring at me.

''{George Washington, Abe Lincoln, and Henry Rollins enter from the left. They point at The Ugly One.}''

'''GEORGE WASHINGTON:''' Look, look at that girl.

''{So and So enters from the right.}''

'''SO AND SO:''' She's my friend, but not my best. ''{Pause.}'' Now who wants to tandem parasail with me?

'''GEORGE WASHINGTON:''' Woot!

'''ABE LINCOLN:''' Woot!

'''HENRY ROLLINS:''' Woot.

''{Cut to a title card that reads "IT'S ALMOST OVER". The music cuts out for a second.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' IT'S ALMOST OVER!

''{The music starts back up as the scene cuts to a skateboarding half-pipe. What's Her Face is watching Thomas skateboard.}''

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' Do an Indy Nosebone.

''{So and So and the presidents parasail by. Thomas is shocked and forgets to do an Indy Nosebone.}''

'''SO AND SO:''' Soooooooo goooooooooood...!!

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' ''{jaw drops}'' I think my friend and some presidents just flew by.

''{Thomas rolls back down the ramp and performs a 360.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' LATE 360 SHOVE-IT TO BONELESS!!

''{After a pause, the LATE 360 SHOVE-IT TO BONELESS is amended to say LATE 360 SHOVE-IT TO BONELESS'D.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' ...'d!

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' Sweet moves, Thomas!

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' NOW IT'S OVER!

== Easter Eggs ==
At the end, click the "O" in "Now" for a conversation between the "olda boys" speaking in sync with the music.

:''(Set to the Teen Girl Squad theme song)''
:'''OLDA BOY #1:''' "I miss video games."
:'''OLDA BOY #2:''' "I miss my mom."
:'''OLDA BOY #1:''' "I miss video games."
:'''OLDA BOY #2:''' "I-I-I miss my mom."
:'''OLDA BOY #1:''' "I miss video games."
:'''OLDA BOY #2:''' "I miss my mom."
:'''OLDA BOY #1:''' "I miss video games."
:'''OLDA BOY #2:''' "I-I-I miss my mom."

== Fun Facts ==

===Trivia===
*The stamp on the postcard has an outline of Abe Lincoln.
*This is the first Teen Girl Squad that goes to the Teen Girl Squad menu when you click "back".

===Remarks===
*What's Her Face's mailbox reads "W. Herface," suggesting that Her Face is her surname.
*The act of The Ugly One burying her head in the sand when she gets nervous is strikingly similar to the old myth known as the "ostrich syndrome." This is when an ostrich will supposedly bury its head in the sand when it feels nervous or threatened.
*Cheerleader and So and So are presumably thirteen or fourteen, as evidenced by So And So's screwup.
*It is impossible to do a late [[Wikipedia:shove-it|360 shove-it]] to boneless. A [http://www.skateboard-city.com/boneless.php boneless] is a variation of an [[Wikipedia:Ollie (skateboarding trick)|ollie]], and therefore would have to come first.
**Technically, if you performed the 360 shove-it first, landed and then did a boneless jump it would be possible, but Thomas appears to do this all at once, making it impossible.
*This Teen Girl Squad issue subtly implements the "[[The Birds|birds]] getting killed" tradition by the mailbox eating the postcard with birds on it.
*George Washington is shown carrying a hatchet. This is a reference to the apocryphal [[wikipedia:George_Washington#Personal_information|story]] in which he cuts down a cherry tree as a boy.

===Goofs===
*Cigarette is misspelled "cigarrette."
*On the closing screen, the contraction "it's" is misspelled as the possessive "its."

===Inside References===
*Cheerleader "PUNTS" So and So. What's Her Face also gets punted by a [[Minor_Teen_Girl_Squad_Characters#Dinosaur|dinosaur]] in [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 1]].
*According to the postcard, What's Her Face's address is 412 S. Figgis, [[Mundelow]] 80808, indicating that she lives near [[Thorax Corporation]] headquarters.
*Washington, Lincoln, and Rollins say "[[Internet Slang|woot]]" in sequence, but use the same word bubble. So-and-so, What's Her Face, and The Ugly One do the same thing in [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 1]] with "word" and "a'ight."

== External Links ==
*[[HR:tgs5.html|watch "Teen Girl Squad Issue 5"]]
*[[HR:tgs5.swf|View the Flash file for "Teen Girl Squad Issue 5"]]
*[[Podstar:TGS5.m4v|download "Teen Girl Squad Issue 5" for the iPod]] (see [[Podstar Runner]])

{{Teen Girl Squad}}
[[Category:Teen Girl Squad]][[Category:Podstar Runner]]

Fluffy Puff Mayo

2006-04-12T22:59:23Z

Trelawney: wording

[[Image:fp mayo.png|thumb|right|220px|"Made From The Best Stuff!"]]

'''Fluffy Puff Mayo''' first showed up in the toon [[Where's The Cheat?]]. It can also be seen in [[Meet Marshie]] and in the [[Strong Bad Email]] [[the bet]]. In the latter, [[The King of Town]] had two jars of it in his [[The King of Town's Food|pantry]]. It also appears as an advertisement before [[A Decemberween Pageant]].

It appears to be made from [[Fluffy Puff Marshmallows]], though if it were made completely from marshmallows it would actually be [[:Wikipedia:Marshmallow_Fluff|marshmallow fluff]] (a nearly-expireless product with a long history, commonly enjoyed on a sandwich with peanut butter; aka the [[:Wikipedia:Fluffernutter|Fluffernutter]]), not [[:Wikipedia:mayonnaise|mayonnaise]], which made from vegetable oil, water, and egg yolks. The two substances look pretty similar, so confusion ''is'' possible.

Its advertising slogan is "Made From The Best Stuff!", which may be a reference to [[Wikipedia:Snapple|Snapple]], which advertises itself as being "Made from the best stuff on earth."

==Appearances==
*'''Debut:''' [[Where's The Cheat?]]
*[[Meet Marshie]]
*Email [[the bet]]
*[[A Decemberween Pageant]]
[[Category:Fluffy Puff]] [[Category:Food and drinks]]