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==Jones being funny==
Yarr!! - [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 23:05, 16 Jul 2004 (MST)

==Seethroo with some questions==
Heya, [[User:Tom|Tom]]. Do you ever check this thing?
What's goin' on with the Wiki? It seems to be going nuts. ~ [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]

:Yes, I do. And yeah, it's under some strain right now. Crazy. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:51, 2 Aug 2004 (MST)

Cool, cool. I'm gonna be able to help move stuff tonight. [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]

:Sweet. I appreciate it. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:41, 3 Aug 2004 (MST)

Hey, is there any particular reason I CANNOT get onto Recent Changes on the oldschool wiki? It's seriously gettin' on my nerves. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:03, 6 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I'm guessing it's just the mySQL overload we've been experiencing. Yeah, bummer. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:05, 6 Aug 2004 (MST)

Woah. I added a pantload...but there are still some organizational things that need to be hammered out...I guess check the comments I made in various places...I'm tired... -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 23:11, 6 Aug 2004 (MST)

HOLY CRAP! Who're all those people blocked from this wiki??? I didn't know you were doin' that much blocking already! - [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:34, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Yeah, those are open proxies. You can see the note [[Template:BlockedProxy|here]] and Joey's and my discussion of the topic [[Template talk:BlockedProxy|here]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:47, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

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I wanted to do that for old times sake. Anyway, I kinda discovered something to make transferring things much easier. If you take the code from 'Tavi pages, put em in Word, and then do a ctrl-f, you can have it replace all the parentheses with brackets. Doing things that way, I can get all my links straightened out before I even put the text in MediaWiki. Just sharing... -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:44, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Yeah, I do the same thing, except I use TextPad. It helps a bunch. Mostly. Just have to be a little careful. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:48, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

::How're all my edits and transfers? Is there something wrong that I'm doing that I need to be aware of? (did I just say "doing"? -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:54, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::You, my friend, are doing a great job. You're really keeping things moving along. Keep up the good work. I'm seriously thinking you are the man right about now. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:24, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

==Note from Firebird==

Just wanted to say thanks for all the work put into the move. Great Job! -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:You're welcome. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:08, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Redirects ==

Tom: I'm seeing some deletion of redirect pages on the deletion log. It looks like most of those pages will not be missed, but it does help to have some "common" misspelling articles redirect to the proper article. This is not for sloppy linking , as no pages SHOULD link to a redirect page. This is for people who come to the site, punch in a name into the search box and are taken to the correct page.

There is always some debate over what constitutes a common misspelling. I created a redirect from Whats her face to What's her face. This seems useful to me. Let me know what you think about this. [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 15:42, 15 Sep 2004 (MST)

:I agree. The ones I've been trying to catch are old links that were not fixed correctly during the move. Things like "MainPage 10" that were used instead of "[[Main Page 10]]" becuase of CamelCase on 'Tavi. The person who created that redirect then went ahead and created one for "MainPage 11", even though nothing linked there. I don't see the need for 21 pages to be created like this. Another example is "sbemail1" and its companions. There isn't a need for that.

:Of course, you also have to remember that we turned on case-sensitivity. That means that "[[What's Her Face]]" and "What's her Face" are also two completely different pages. I'd rather that a link show up in red and someone pick up on their mistake right away then have them continue to make links to redirect pages. But I suppose it would be very hard to keep a lid on things like this once we get going. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:55, 15 Sep 2004 (MST)

::Oh, Contraire! I have often wanted to be able to quickly type "sbemailxx" into the search box to find something quickly. I agree that old camel case links should be removed, but I see nothing wrong with shortcut redirects for the lazy. (I was actually thinking of adding these the other day, then stumbled across this thread. Sorry I'm a little late joining the discussion.) :) {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 22:37, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

:::I totally agree JoeyDay. I too have wished to quickly type the sbemailxx when I am watching a new toon instead of hving to search the Strong Bad Emails by Name page.--[[User:38.112.87.6|38.112.87.6]] 12:44, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

::::Uh, this conversation happened over six and a half months ago. Thanks for your input, but this really isn't relevant anymore.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:54, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

==Note from Jones==
''{copied and pasted from [[User:Tom]]}''

I'm just so sick of you being at the top of [[Special:Wantedpages]]. So there. Now you're unwanted. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 07:49, 3 Sep 2004 (MST)

:Thanks Jones. I feel so loved. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:08, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

==Notes from Maudi==
''{both were copied and pasted from [[User:Tom]]}''

Thank God that you made it, Tom! Thank God! -Maudi Algabban

:I agree! -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:08, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

Hey, Tom! Have you listened to "Dragostea din tei" with Haiducii or O-Zone? They're from Romania. -Maudi --[[User:193.150.221.247|193.150.221.247]] 16:28, 19 Sep 2004 (MST)

:Sorry, I have to admit that I still haven't. Have you made a userpage yet? Heh heh. But seriously, I know there's [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=193.150.221.247 some stuff] that needs to be attributed to you by being on your userpage. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:08, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Note ==

Oh geez, man, it looks like I disambiguated a page you deleted. Took too long doing it, I guess. I'm really sorry about that. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 19:40, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

:No problem, I can just re-delete it. And I appreciate you leaving this note. It makes me feel good. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:41, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Oh Man ==
''{In reply to a comment from [[User_talk:Thunderbird_L17]]}''

All that work... I'm really sorry. I was trying to figure out why all my pics looked slightly off. Oh well. I've switched over now. I just wish I hadn't deleted them as I went along... Oh well. I think I'm still doing ok for only being here about a week. Again, my apolagies. And they'll all be PNG from now on. Btw, if you could provide me with a list of the JPG pictures I uploaded, I could replace them in my spare time. Thanks.

-Thunderbird

:Hey, no problem. Here's a [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Thunderbird_L17 good place] to get started. Then there's always the [[Special:Imagelist|Image List]]. I think that might work best. And I can come up with a better list if you need it. And I'm glad you can see the difference. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:03, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)

UPDATE:

Topic Complete.

All of my uploaded JPG files are now PNG. Took a bit of doing, but it's done.

== Sebastian Coe ==

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Coe 
''He first ran against Ovett in Prague in 1978 in an 800 meter race that neither won. The next year in Oslo, Norway, '''Coe set his first world records''' (in the 800-meter and '''mile races'''). One of the most famous races between Ovett and Coe was in the 1980 Olympic Games in the 1500-meters. Coe won in Olympic Record time.''

=== Further References ===
From http://www.geocities.com/hotsprings/3257/coe.html 
''He beat Ovett's mile record, running it in 3 min 48.53 sec on August 19; only a week later '''Ovett set another mile record, which was then shattered by Coe''' with a 3 min 47.33 sec run on August 28.''

Here are some of his times in the mile: 
''mile <nowiki>3'48''95</nowiki> 1979 Wr (Oslo)'' 
''mile <nowiki>3'48''53</nowiki> 1981 Wr (Zurich)'' 
''mile <nowiki>3'47''33</nowiki> 1981 Wr (Bruxelles)'' 
Note: Wr stands for World Record.

One final reference: http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/World%20record%20progression%20for%20the%20mile%20run 

And a quote from you; 
:''"Hmm. [Coe] didn't really run the mile. And he never had the world record."'' 
Could you please cite your references?? As far as I can tell, he not only ran the mile, he also held the world record on ''three'' seperate occasions.[[User:Hobophobic|<nowiki>~</nowiki>Hobo]]

::Um, my bad. But you did notice that I changed my edit after that edit you quoted me on, right? And that I was being particularly ambigious in my wording? Anyway, you are right. No hard feelings. Thank you. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:13, 22 Sep 2004 (MST)

:So, were you gonna change it back then? [[User:Hobophobic|<nowiki>~</nowiki>Hobo]]

::Done. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:13, 23 Sep 2004 (MST)
:Thanks [[User:Hobophobic|<nowiki>~</nowiki>Hobo]]

== Idea ==

How about desktop background downloads for the wiki? Anyone who wanted to create one could, then e-mail one of the admins the image. Then the admin, if approved, could upload it into the wiki images. It's just an idea, but I like the sound of it. I'd love to have an HRwiki background. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:Hmm. I don't think so. The problem is this, the Wiki is just for information. If you want to make something on your own and then have it somewhere that you could link to from your userpage, that would be better. See, we kind of tread on this uneasy ground with copyrights and the like. Not only that, but there's also the content issue. I know a background that you would make would most likely be good and wholesome for the Wiki and for Homestar Runner, but I wouldn't want to encourage other not-as-good backgrounds to be made. You are always free to make your own backgrounds, keep them to yourself, use them on your computer, and do what ever you want with them.
:As of right now, I'll say this: I don't think you will ever have an official Homestar Runner Wiki background. But I'll ask around and see what I can do. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:43, 22 Sep 2004 (MST)

::That's fine with me. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

== Floppy Disks ==

Since you apparently look after the floppy disk section mostly, I figured you would be the best person to ask. How do you feel about a picture of the floppy disk container and it's label beside every listing of it in the inside jokes section? I would be happy to complete that undertaking if you approve. Also, is there anywhere else I could add some pictures? I'm finished the rejects section.

-Thunderbird_L17

:[http://old.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=Floppy+Disk+Container%2FStrongBadEmailDiskLabels Floppy Disk Container/StrongBadEmailDiskLabels]. Check it out. The problem is this: the Wiki is text-based, and information provided through text makes things much easier to search and quicker to load. I'm not really sure that having a screenshot of every different one is needed. Why would it need to be seen by the viewer? Could they simply watch the toon or email instead? One thing that really needs to be done regarding The Container is having the links to the page standardized. Every Fun Facts section on every email and toon that has The Container in it should link to the Floppy Disk Container page in a uniform way. You could get started on that, if you want. And then there's what the disks actually reference. There's a subpage of the Old Wiki page on that needs to be copied over and gone through with a fine-tooth comb.
:Regarding the images, you kind of need to convince me why they are actually needed. Thanks for asking though, this has really gotten me thinking. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:31, 22 Sep 2004 (MST)

Well since you already have the list of where the disk case occurs, it should be easy to find the toons to put the link in. I'll get on it later. As far as the floppy images go, I don't think they're NEEDED per-say, but I think it would be kinda cool. It lets people really VISUALIZE the floppys. They would be really small pics too, not full screen. But if you don't want them I won't put them there. As for other pics though, I have been kind of going through the sites putting pictures on everything, if you don't like any of them, feel free to take them off. I just think that any character, object, or place does need a picture to really visualize what the afforementioned thing is. Most of the pages I did only have one or two pics, with the exceptions of The [[King of Town's Castle]] place page, and the [[Tandy_400]] computer page. I kinda may have gone overboard on those ones. Look 'em over and decide. The [[Monkey_D]]'s page also have a few. If you don't like them you can fix them how you see fit. But the widescreen pic in [[Strong_Bad's_Basement]], I'm really proud of that pic. It took me awhile. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 22:24, 22 Sep 2004 (PST)

:Those four pages that you linked to are good. And that basement image is especially good. In some places, it borders on the line of being to much, but I think you played it well. They also could use some small tweaks, but that will all come in good time. As for The Floppies, I think you can make a seperate section on the page for the images and organize them in a table. I actually have all the images, and I can upload them later if you want to use them. (I use them for [http://members.lycos.co.uk/tfpreuss/avatar/avatar.php my avatar] on the forum.) What do you think of that? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:11, 23 Sep 2004 (MST)

Okay, it's up and running..ish. Access it from the regular floppy list. If you have the images, feel free to upload them. Any that you don't have, or don't feel like uploading, I can them. Just upload what you want, and I'll do the rest. Oh, and how do you feel about the naming of images in the Floppy_*name_of_e-mail*.PNG uniformity? You can name then however you want, but I think there should be some form of uniformity in naming the image files. Just tell me if this is okay, and if you're done uploading the images you want. Also, they should all be fullscreen screenshots, right?

[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 11:10, 27 Sep 2004 (PST)

Alrightie. Update on the floppy disk container. I've been slowly working away at the Floppy disk container with screenshots page, no help needed there, but as I do so I realized another thing missing from the floppy disk container section, and an actual USEFUL thing, is a breif description and history of the games listed on the floppy disk containers. So that being said, I'm also plugging away at that in my little corner of the floppy disk page. If you would like the commentaries on the main floppy disk page too, which I think would be useful, please let me know so that I can add them to both pages as I go along. No rush though, it'll probably be a few weeks before I'm finished researching them and all. Let me know if you think this would be an improvement to the floppy disk page though. Generally I don't ask permission for editing things, but since you're the senior and keeper of the floppy disk container, I thought it was only fair to ask you. So what are your thoughts?

[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 9:45, 6 Oct 2004 (PST)

:I do like the information on what the labels mean, and I wouldn't really call them commentaries. They are all pretty clear cut. Let's see how big they get and then play it from there. Keep them on that screenshot page for now, I don't want to violate [[HRWiki:Once And Only Once]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:44, 7 Oct 2004 (MST)

Hiho. I've run into a roadblock doing the pics. In the e-mail 'lackey', how did you read, let alone get a picture, of the CD case? It's off the screen! Please let me know, or if you have the pic, simply save it as Floppy_lackey.PNG . Please let me know either way whenever. Thanks.

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 10:37, 11 Oct 2004 (PST)

:I used a program called [http://www.flash-decompiler.com/ Flash Decompiler]. It's a free download, so you might want to give it a try. Though I wasn't able to export the actual image, I was able to read the text. But you might have better luck than I did.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:41, 11 Oct 2004 (MST)

Sorry, I don't like treating you like an FAQ, I just have ONE last question. (Probably)...
I have the program, but how do you get the file onto it? It seems like you can only decompile files on your harddrive. Is this so? If it is, how do you get a flash file (SB E-mail Lackey) onto your hard drive? If it isn't, how do you get it from the interent? Last question, probably. I promise. Likely.

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 7:33, 13 Oct 2004 (PST)

:Down the bottom of each toon's or email's page, there's a link for the flash file. Just right click and choose "Save Link As..." or your browser's equivalent.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:57, 14 Oct 2004 (MST)

Thanks, I got it. What do you think of my floppy for Lackey? It's the best I could do... Anyways, I wanted to ask you about the once and only once policy. Though I agree that it's a good policy, I think that the 'see above' thing destroys the look of the summaries, especially once they are all finished. Plus, 'Manhunter New York' appeared in an e-mail at the top, then a toon way at the bottom. So it would be kind of hard to just say 'see above'. Plus since the picture is repeated, why not the explanation? You are the moderater, and whatever you decide I'll abide by, but in this case, since it's only for about 4 floppies, a number that's not likely to be increased, could I just repeat the explanations?

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 6:28, 15 Oct 2004 (PST)

:You know, I do like the idea of having the information on both. Let's try using a tempate instead. Do you think that will work?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:33, 15 Oct 2004 (MST)

Template? I don't know much about website formating or whatnot. Basically everything I do on the Wiki I learn by looking at how somebody else wrote a code, and then copying that pattern. But if you think the template or whatever will work, go ahead. You were right about floating the pictures to the left, making it into tables, all that kind of thing. Just do what you want, and if I disagree I can always revert. But overall I'm happy with what you do. Does this mean that I can put the repeat explanations on the few pictures though, instead of 'see above'?

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 23:49, 15 Oct 2004 (PST)

:Okay, here's what I did. I created [[Template:tongue of the fatman]], [[Template:lode runner]], and [[Template:manhunter new york]]. Check out the page to see if you like it. Now, there's only one place you need to go in order to change the content that will show up for both floppies.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 07:41, 16 Oct 2004 (MST)

Okay, that works. I don't really plan on editing them much anyways anymore, once the summary is there. But it looks exactly the same, so it's fine. Btw, I fixed the out of place 3.5 inch disk summary, I found a place for it where it fits nicely. Now nothing has two explanations, and the 5.25 inch disks don't have the same summary twice. (See Second 5.25 Inch Disk Summmary)

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 9:09, 16 Oct 2004 (PST)

:Very good. Well done.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:10, 16 Oct 2004 (MST)

Hey, can you do the same to Cave Quest (100th e-mail) that you did to Shogun? I can't get it the right size without it pixelating...

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 18:33, 17 Oct 2004 (PST)

:Heh heh. I already did. You can revert back to my image from [[:Image:Floppy flashback.PNG|here]] if you like.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:42, 17 Oct 2004 (MST)

Hey Tom, I thought JPG format was to be used for videos and pictures, and PNG for all flash material. Plus I think the JPG looked clearer and brighter. If you really don't want it there, then I'll try another way, but I thought I read somewhere that JPG was preferable for pictures, just not for flash. Is the one JPG really that bad? Please clarify. Thanks.

[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 06:30, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

:Ah ha. There's a little catch here though. We are talking about a screenshot of a movie or image, and not the actual image itself. Screenshots should always be PNGs. The only kinds of JPGs we should have are photos like [[:Image:TheBrothersChapsBandW.jpg]] or [[:Image:mattchapman.jpg]]. Perhaps an screenshot like [[:Image:puppetdween.png]] better illustrates what I'm trying to say.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:35, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

Okay, I getcha. Then I guess I'll just put it back on the old PNG one for now. Thanks. I guess if anything, it adds diversity...

[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 19:08, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

Alright, I think it's finally done. I have one more little task though that I can't complete on my own. The three templates, Template:manhunter_new_york , Template:lode_runner , and Template:tongue_of_the_fatman are now unneeded, and as such should be deleted, right? I can't figure out how to. If you know of a way, be my guest. Or should they just be left peacefully, until the end of time? -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 09:40, 1 Nov 2004 (MST)

Sorry, I was just going to get breakfast when I finished my summary, and when I finished it I realized there was a stored version that wasn't there when I started. I didn't have time to merge them so I just uploaded mine, and I was going to merge them when I got the chance, which is now. I did notice the picture though, and already put it up. Sorry about that, I don't want to offend anyone. I'm going to merge them right now. I just figured if I put mine in quickly yours is still stored as a past edit, so that way they're both there if needed. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 12:21, 15 Nov 2004 (MST)

Actually, I never thought about NPOV. While I was doing all this, I used reviews as sources, it's easier to just take the opinions of the writers and condence them. But I think that meathod has given the summaries a multi purpose, to now give you a bit of background about the game for curiosity's sake, but also as a type of mini review, for those who are deciding whether or not to find and play them. It gives the summaries a critical and reviewish type feel. Now to go back and do them all NPOV'D would take some doing, and in my opinion I don't think would be as enjoyable to read. What do you think?
'''Side Note:''' Since they replaced the 5.25's along with the Tandy, do you think they might replace the 2.5's with CD's along with the comp? '''UPDATE EDIT: No they didn't, but on [[Main Page 22]] it reveals [[The Cheat]]'s computer has them.''' I dunno, just a curious little observation.

--[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 15:05, 15 Nov 2004 (MST)

I figured since I already started a conversation thread here, I'd ask this under the same topic. Do you have a DVD player built into your computer? Basically the reason is that I need the pics of the Floppy Disk Containers from the DVD Main Menus for the Floppy Disk Container page. If it's got Puppet Time Version, it stands to reason that DVD version would be acceptable as well. I do have the DVD set, but no way of getting screens. (Prefferably 150px or larger). Thanks in advance,
[[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 15:18, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Okay. I do have a DVD player for my computer. But what screenshots do you need?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:10, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

The screens of the Floppy disk Containers on the Main Menus (the CG'd ones) from the DVDS. [[User:The Paper|The Paper]] did get them, but they decidedly leave something to be desired, and we're hoping you can do better. Hopefully Zoomed and what not. Also, the last Floppy Disk container couldn't be identified, it seems as though it's cut off by the camera. Check the [[Floppy Disk Container]], it's got the base of what I'm looking for there. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks alot. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 17:58, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Okay, I'll see what I can do.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:32, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Return the fanstuff! ==
I'd like a promise to agree to let me bring back the fanstuff. It doesn't make the wiki complete without it.--[[User:No Loafing V2|No Loafing]] 16:34, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)

:Joey has already [[User_talk:JoeyDay|replied to this demand]]. Fanstuff is [[HRWiki:About|not approved]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:11, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)
then im leaving. GOOD BYE!--[[User:No Loafing V2|No Loafing, who will only be on the forum from now on.]] 04:57, 1 Oct 2004 (MST)

Wow. What a crybaby. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:43, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

I second that. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 09:42, 1 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Rollbacks ==

Exactly how do you roll a page back to its previous version? I've attempted to do this in the past, and I still haven't figured out how. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 19:28, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)

:A very good question. I just fixed up the instructions on the [[WikiTroll]] page yesterday. Check 'em out.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:32, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)

== First time Here? on Log in ==

Is there anyway to link to the [[Hrwiki:About|about]] page on a log in page? It seems that people don't read that page, and it might help new users who log in? Do you agree? -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:Hmm, that's a pretty good idea. I'll look into that. But what might even be better is if we had some sort of [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Welcoming_committee|welcoming committee]]. Would you want to be in charge or something like that?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:55, 7 Oct 2004 (MST)

::I think it would be great if we had a welcoming committee (and I wouldn't mind being in charge). -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:::Fantastic, I'm happy to hear it. Just look over what Wikipedia does. We don't need all that stuff, but I'm sure you'll find a way to adapt it for us.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:50, 7 Oct 2004 (MST)

::::Should I make a page for our own little welcome committee? -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:::::Yeah, [[Hrwiki:Welcoming committee]] should work nicely. You're in charge, buddy.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:58, 7 Oct 2004 (MST)

== SB Email categories ==

I moved the [[:Category: Strong Bad Email]] as a sub-category of [[:Category: Strong Bad Filmography]]. All the emails were in both categories when technically all SB Emails are part of his filmography by default. It cleans up the Strong Bad filmography nicely and keeps the all the emails grouped together. There is only one email that SB is not in, but due to this arrangement will still be included in his filmography, but taking the IMDB as a guide, if someone guest hosts the "Late Show with David Letterman" it is called "Late Show Backstage", but it still shows up on Dave’s filmography. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 09:01, 12 Oct 2004 (MST)

:Personally I don't think this really makes sense. An email that Strong Bad is not in should not be in his Filmography, despite what IMDb does. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

::I agree. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:::I also found it a bit confusing. Strong Bad, Homestar, and Marzipan are in all of [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]s, but I don't think that should be a sub-category of any one of their filmographies. I think it would not be confusing to have every email be directly in Strong Bad's Filmography, except [[anything]], just how it was. It would also be less confusing for someone just looking at any email and thinking to themselves, "Oh, this one isn't listed in Strong Bad's Filmography", since it does not show up directly on the page as it is now with the subcategory. That's really what it comes down to, that [[:Category: Strong Bad Filmography]] does not show up on the emails. Oh, and the "anything" thing too.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:56, 12 Oct 2004 (MST)

:::Funny, the IMDB is a suitable guide to determine the precedent for a voice over. To me the Filmography categories are proving to be more trouble then they are worth and a misapplication of the original intent of the category structure. I understand wanting an automatically generated list for the 12 main characters that show up in everything, but it seems from all the other character pages that the Wiki users are more than capable of manually tracking the appearances of even the most obscure psudo-characters.

The stucture:
<pre>Character->Filmography->Strong Bad Filmography->Strong Bad Email</pre>

:::makes a lot of sence to me. SB is in all but one email, which can be explained by a note. If having 100+ emails cluttering the SB filmography and being unnessicarily duplicated in the email list and in the email category doesnt bother you, then it wont bother me.

:::I guess I should get going on [[:Category: Biscuit Dough Hands Man Filmography]] while I'm at it. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 12:15, 12 Oct 2004 (MST)

::::Your presentation just now does make a bit of sense. I'll have to see what others think. Though on that other issue, as I understood it, the filmography categories were never supposed to be extended beyond the 12 main characters. Somewhere along the line, this was not explained well enough and the whole thing took off. I think there's over fifty filmographies now. I'd be happy to draw a line somewhere. ([[:Category:The_Alien_Guy_Filmography]]?)[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:24, 12 Oct 2004 (MST)

== Thank you!!!!!!!1111oneone ==

Thank You x 1 Billion [[User:Hobophobic|<nowiki>~</nowiki>Hobo]]

:Hey, no problem.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:07, 15 Oct 2004 (MST)

== Help Page ==

I'm confused on where to post questions in the [[Help:Contents|help]] section. Do we post it on the FAQ Discussion page or somewhere on the Main Page of the help section? -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:The [[HRWiki_talk:FAQ|discussion page of the FAQ]]. Discussion and "talking" should never really be on a page. The headings on the [[Help:Contents|help]] page were set up by me back in late July and we never really fleshed them out. I'll fix it now. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:20, 19 Oct 2004 (MST)

No Problem. And Thanks. -- [[USer:FireBird|FireBird]]

==Notes from The Mysterious Stranger==
Hello, Tommy-boy. I'm back, and in buisiness.
-- [[User:Mysterious-Stranger|Mysterious-Stranger]]

==Subpages==
If there are subpages, we should use them. Anybody agree? (You have too or else, TOM!)--[[User:No Loafing|No Loafing]] 05:31, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

No. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:Subpages are useful, but only for the right kinds of stuff, like adding an archive to a cluttered talk page, or some ''temporary'' user space separate from the rest of your user space for, say, a rewrite of a page. - [[User:furrykef|[[User:furrykef|furrykef]] ([[User_talk:furrykef|Talk at me]])]] 09:56, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Who's In Charge Of The Main Page Anyways? ==

Hiho. I'm not getting much of a response on the [[Talk:Main Page|Main Talk Page]], so I figured I'd go straight to the source, assuming that the source(s) are moderators. Anyways, here's my question. Who's in charge of the Main Page, not so much the look of it, I don't really care about that, but moreso the organization of the links to pages. Now I'm no moderator, but I was curious as to why the links are organized the way they are. Why are Inside Jokes part of Wiki Stuff, Yet Songs part of Knowledge Base? I've been thinking about the layout, and I belive I've figued out a good way of sortage, and am hoping for either a yes or a no. Either one, as long as I can maybe get some kind of explanation as to why they're sorted the way they are, should the answer be a no. Anyhoo, without further ado, I give you my sorting idea...

Basically it consists of the Knowledge Base containing ONLY the things listed on the H*R main page(s), and putting everything left over into Wiki Stuff. It would look something like this, and would have the added bonus of evening the two sections out, leaving External Links on the bottom...

(The Knowledge Base Stuff)

* [[Toons]]
** [[Strong Bad Email]]
** [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]
** [[Teen Girl Squad]]
** [[Powered By The Cheat]]
** [[Puppet Stuff]]
** [[Holiday Toons]]
* [[Games]]
* [[Characters]]
* [[Downloads]]
* [[Store]]
* [[Email]]
* [[Legal]]
* [[Main Pages]]
** [[Weekly Fanstuff]]
** [[Quote of the Week]]
** [[Sketchbook]]
* [[Museum]]
* [[Secret Pages]]

Then this to the right of it: (Perhaps the first part even in an additional section?)

* [[Places]]
* [[Items]]
* [[Songs]]
* Quotes
* [[Glossary]]
* [[Inside Jokes]]
* "Rejects"
(Perhaps another section here?)
* [[Special:Listusers|List of registered wiki users]]
* [[Links]]
* [[Sightings]]
* [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]]
* [[HRWiki:Ledger|Ledger]]
* [[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]]
* [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]
* [[WikiTroll]]
* [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]]

Then the external links in another catergory. Is there any problem with this layout? The idea behind it is that the first section are your main ingrediants, and the second one is things that you can make out of them. I just belive that things such as Rejects and Inside Jokes should be in the same catergory as things such as songs and items. Any answer to this would be much appreciated, and then I'll shut up about it. Thanks alot Tom. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 02:33, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

:I'm not really sure. Your line of thinking makes sense, however I'm thinking it is our system of classification that really seems to be the issue. Inside Jokes? Rejects? What the heck are those really? Things need to be clearly defined and a system needs to be implimentated to classify things.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:57, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)

Hmmm... Thats a good point. Okay, well at least keep my organizational idea in mind as you go about implementing the changes. And with that, I withdraw from the Main Page arguments and leave it in the rest of the Wiki's capable hands. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 16:29, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)

== STUFF and Fun Facts ==

As you may have read I have an issue with the [[HRWiki:STUFF|STUFF]] page. I am very glad someone has spearheaded an attempt to control the "fun fact" problem, but I still think that the voting and discussion for disputed Fun Facts should be made on the article's talk page and not on the STUFF page.

If a controversial article like [[Wikipedia:History of Israel]] can exist on the Wikipedia by using the Talk page and without resorting to a common page voting system, I think the Homestar Wiki article [[virus]] can too.

Now that we have people's attention with the [[HRWiki:STUFF|STUFF]] page I suggest that we move content discussion back to the Talk pages where they belong.

I have created a preliminary template:disputed

It reads as follows:{{disputed}}

This could be used to let contributors know that there is a dispute, and to direct them to the talk page. The Disputed Fun Facts link should go to a page with the info that [[User:furrykef |furrykef]] wrote on what is and is-not a good fun fact.

People were not using the talk pages effectively in the past, which is a failure of us the users, not of the talk pages.

-[[User:Drhaggis|[[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]]]] 16:35, 26 Nov 2004 (MST)

:I completely agree that talk pages are not effectively used by our users. I did read your comment on the talk page and did like some parts of it.

:You mentioned there that the popularity of the "Stuff" page is typical of a sloppy discussion forum and not an article based reference guide. I indeed was amazed at all the users who were very interested in voting. It appears that a quick vote and comment is much easier than proposing fixes and improvements.

:You also presented the idea that this problem inherent mostly because the Homestar Runner Universe is finite. I completely agree. I also believe this is why some users, instead of improving on articles that already exist, create very small articles for very fringe elements of said universe. While I don't think that the Stool article may be one of these, I'm not entirely interested in proposing other examples at this time.

:While this may not be the time or place to discuss your other comment on that talk page about proper classification, I believe it would be important to address that issue with whichever system is accepted for the dealing with fun facts.

:As [[User:furrykef|Kef]] noted in his reply to your comment, the STUFF process was loosely based on Wikipedia's Votes for Deletion process. I do like Wikipedia's VfD process and have participated in it in the past, but as you may notice we don't have a system like this for dealing with the deletion of pages because we are so small. It works for Wikipedia but would simply would not work for us.

:Throughout my travels around Wikipedia, I have seen several pages with notices like the one on the [[Wikipedia:History of Israel]] page. While I don't believe the scale of discussions here will every reach such a level as that, I am willing to investigate the possibility of using such a system.

:If we were to adopt your proposal, I would want some sort of centrally located instruction page. As you mention, this could contain some of Kef's rules from the STUFF page. I'd also want it to list all the pages that are currently going through the process.

:Of course, your proposal is in direct conflict with the current STUFF system, which the users seems to have latched on to. I like your proposal, but I'm interested in hearing how you would implement it given the current circumstances.

:Thank you for being bold enough to propose an alternative.

:[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:13, 26 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Image Use Policy ==

Hi, I was just wondering about the special page "[[Special:Image_use_policy|Image Use Policy]]", accessable from the [[Special:Upload|Upload Page]]. It doesn't seem to have anything on it. Is there any way to fix that? [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 18:35, 7 Dec 2004 (MST)

:Good find. I've changed the link so that it goes to [[HRWiki:Image use policy]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:58, 8 Dec 2004 (MST)

::Thanks, I'll get to work on that a bit later. Maybe cut and paste something from Wikipedia and go from there. In other news, were you aware that somebody turned the [[Floppy Disk Container]] into a redirect? Is this allowed? Do you condone this? If so, I'm sorry that I kind of hijacked your pride and joy and turned it into my own. I'll make it up to you, somehow... [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:25, 14 Dec 2004 (MST)

:::I did notice that redirect and decided to not do anything about it. And the only thing we have now regarding images is what is in the [[HRWiki:Standards#Screenshot|screenshot section]] on the Standards page.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:15, 14 Dec 2004 (MST)

i dont no how to bring a pickchur to my payj. how do yoou do it?

:What?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:28, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::[[User:Son Goku|Son Goku]] needs help putting up a ''picture'' on his user ''page''. ([http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Image:w12_DragonballZ100.jpg This picture that he uploaded]) --[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 00:46, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yeah sorry about that. You see, he doesn't really know how to spell
very good.
[[User:Balmung of Azure Sky|Lord Balmung of the Azure Sky]] 3:47 PM

:Uh, right.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:15, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==Things Noticed Page==
I didn't know there was a fansite wiki, but thanks for telling me! Sorry if I was being to rude about things noticed... -- [[User:Guy27|Guy27]] 12:02, 20 Dec 2004 (MST)

==Poor Images==
''[In reply to a comment on [[User_talk:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf#Poor_images|User_talk:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf]]]''

Yeah, hi. You asked how I made those pictures? Well, I have a screenshot program that only makes Jpegs (which I later save as PNG's), so you can see why the quality would be poor. 'Cause, you know, Jpegs are poor quality. Oh, and I like how you are constanly using [http://www.wikipedia.org WikiPedia] links.
---[[User:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf|Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf]] 22:58, 23 Dec 2004 (MST)

:Yeah, [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] links are great. I'm curious as to what "screenshot program" you use. What operating system are you running? I know Windows captures raw image files to the clipboard with a simple push of the "print screen" key. These can be used in any image editing program, like the [[Wikipedia:Free software|free]] [http://www.gimp.org/ the GIMP]. They turn out much better than [[:Image:Kobe 1-4.png|other]] [[:Image:Kobe 2-4.png|images]] [[:Image:Kobe 2-4.png|you uploaded]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:52, 24 Dec 2004 (MST)
:''[Cross posted at [[User_talk:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf#Poor_images|User_talk:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf]] at 17:54, 24 Dec 2004 (MST)]''

I use this thing called [http://www.screenshot-utility.com/ Screenshot Utility] as my, quote unquote, "screenshot program", if that's what you call those things. But anyway, I'm trying to download a new [http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/9220 "program of shots of screens"], but the downloading bar's been stuck at 77% for like, 10 minutes, so, I dunno.

==About blocking==

Hello, Tom! I don't mean to interfere with anything, but I noticed that you blocked 24.1.84.103 for defacing the Main Page when it looks like s/he was restoring it from another troll (and then it was trolled again by that "logan" kid).

Anyway, I really admire the work you've been doing on this Wiki. Gweat job...I mean, gweat job...I mean, gweat job. --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 20:41, 27 Dec 2004 (MST)

:Yeah man, that's my bad. Thanks. It's been fixed.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:48, 27 Dec 2004 (MST)

==Re: Rejects cat==

Just got your message. The reason I started the "project" is because, from my view, the Rejected Characters should be flagged not only from the Rejects page, but from their article itself. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 21:26, 28 Dec 2004 (EST)

:Your concern is understandable, but the whole "rejects" thing really isn't to Drhaggis and my liking. However I'm mostly at a loss at how to classify these things, but I'll ask Drhaggis, as putting things into categories is his speciality.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:33, 28 Dec 2004 (MST)

:I think the "Rejects" page should be deleted. If we as a community have deemed a character or item "article worthy" we simply create the article and categorize it accordingly. I think "Rejects" are a hold over from the old Wiki that is not served by the capabilities of the new Wiki. There are few truly "Rejected" things; [[Dijjery-Doo]] for example was rejected by [[TBC]], but he has still popped up in [[for kids]].
: The Characters/Items/Places categories are a bit big, and can be grouped into sub categories. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 12:51, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)

::Okay, sounds reasonable enough to me. However, how do you think we can go about this with minimal damage to the egos of those responsible for said Rejects? And I sure don't want anything to get lost.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:14, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)

:I think we just need to delete the "Rejects" list. All the things that were previously deamed to be rejected already have articles so no data is lost, just the well done "...are a waste of time" banners on the page. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 13:23, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)

::Whoa! Those things really ''are'' all categorizied. Okay, the page has been deleted, and all article links to it have been removed.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:36, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)

== Rejected Halloween Costumes Task ==

Hi Tom! Thunderbird here again, with a special task for a few of my fellow users. On the [[Sketchbook]] page, in the [[Sketchbook#In The Museum|Museum]] section of that page, the last picture is a bunch of rejected halloween costume ideas. The caption gives the challenge '10 bucks to anyone who can identify them all'. So what I propose is to identify them all. I've already set up a basic 'top left to bottom right' type list under the 'Description' section, with the two most obvious costumes in it. But can we get the other costumes, and win ourselves $10? Any costumes you know would be a help. Thanks. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 02:14, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Update: The good Doctor Haggis was far faster with that task than I could have ever expected. All the costumes are done with the exception of one: The full body [[Marzipan]]. Many think that she is in fact Belle from Beauty & the Beast, but we're not quite sure about that. What are your thoughts? Any better ideas as to who this mystery Marzipans could be, or even just your opinion as to weather or not she's Belle? [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 12:11, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Stu... ==

Any idea where [[User:Stu|Stu]] has been? →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:Yeah, I do. But you can ask him yourself. His email address is in his profile on the forum, or you could use the [[Special:Emailuser/Stu|MediaWiki user email thing]] if you have it set up correctly.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:52, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)

::Okay. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

== SsSp ==

I'd say [[SsSp]] passed the test. :-) --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 23:36, 4 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Indeed. Hmm...[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:21, 6 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Glitch Template ==

Sorry about that! I was just experemeting w/ overflows, and It turned out that FF coulndent handle it. I didnt know how to deleat it! Firefox crashed while atempting to view it. Also, why dont they have protection on user pages? Couldend a WikiTroll Distroy sombodys page? How do i set <nowiki>→[[User:firefocman|''<tt>[[User:firefoxman|FireFox Man]]</tt>'']]</nowiki> As my siggi?
Thanks,
→[[User:firefocman|''<tt>[[User:firefoxman|FireFox Man]]</tt>'']]

:The Wiki can be edited by any person, but defacement never lasts. And here are [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Preferences#Your_nickname the instructions] to change your signature.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:31, 10 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Sysop ==

How does one become a Sysop? It would be nice to be able to ban some Trolls. *chuckles* -[[User:firefoxman|Ω Lucas]] 15:23, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Certainly not by asking. Teh lame, don't you think? Also, please try to use the "Show preview" button before the "Save page" button.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:18, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

== My Work... Deleted!? ==

i noticed that you deleted my work on the [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]] page.. jw why...
-- Always cheating, never speaking, [[User:The Cheat|The Cheat]]

:[[HRWiki:Once And Only Once]]. Also, we simply don't list parts of things on the main page for something. For example, we don't list every time [[Strong Bad]] has said the word "crap" or made fun of [[Homestar Runner|Homestar]] on the [[Strong Bad Email]] page.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:24, 16 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Wikipedia ==

I hope the contacts that didn't happen over on Wikipedia were going to be good ones. Sometimes I worry that a fan is going to leave me messages about how I'm destroying the articles by removing "important information" about every Homsar Halloween Easter egg or some such. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]]

== Giving props ==

Tom, you're my hero. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 15:37, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Sweet. Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:43, 20 Jan 2005 (MST)

::I second that. You're everyone's hero. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::Yay for TOM!!! ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>'' 00:42, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

I don't know why we're cheering, but I'm good for it. '''HOORAY FOR BOX!''' I mean Tom. Hooray for ''Tom.'' [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]]

== Re: huttah! ==

You're right but wrong. You were correct that there was no evidence of a camera in The Cheat's room. However, my comment on the non-revert was due to the fact that the writer essentially plugged a personal comment into the middle of the transcript (which is NOT acceptable); upon seeing that, I admit that I barely read it. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 15:31, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Understood. And you are right. I did not revert back to the writer's version, and did remove the commentary-like style. Thanks Jay.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:30, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Admin nomination ==

I'm not sure what ratio of administrators to users you are planning on maintaining, but I think [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] would make an excellent admin. Consider this a formal nomination. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 23:15, 26 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Cool, I'll take this into consideration with the other admins. I'll keep you posted[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:57, 28 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Back In The Lab Again ==

How have you been? I have been busy as crap recently. Whats happened with the wiki recently? --[[User:DeLoreanz1|DeLoreanz1]] 14:06, 8 Feb 2005 (MST)

:I'm good, thanks for asking. As for recent things on the Wiki, I suppose the best place to look would be [[Special:Recentchanges|Recent changes]]. We pretty much just keep doing our thing.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:11, 8 Feb 2005 (MST)

Good. I've been playing Yahoo Pool, watching James Bond, and messing with my electronics. --[[User:DeLoreanz1|DeLoreanz1]] 14:23, 8 Feb 2005 (MST)

== Coach Z's Team ==

Can you tell me why [[Coach Z's Team]] was deleted? If we don't need it, why bother having an article for [[On Point Kings]]? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:20, 13 Feb 2005 (MST)

:Beats me. Of course, the text
::''Coach Z's Team is a team coached by Coach Z, consisting of Homestar Runner and co. It's unknown what sport they play, while played on an football field, it also involves basketball hoops and a baseball being kicked around.''
:is hardly article worthy. So pretty much we know that Coach Z's team is coached by Coach Z and is a team. Was it ever even mentioned in a toon?
:Additionally, if you don't think [[On Point Kings]] is worth the article, you are welcome to bring it up on the respective talk page.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:03, 13 Feb 2005 (MST)

"text is hardly article worthy"?? I stubed the freakin' page. As being mentioned in a toon, the [[Yearbook Character Page]] is the only reference I could find. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 12:35, 14 Feb 2005 (MST)

:Okay. So you think the page was worth the article?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:47, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)

Yes. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 12:22, 17 Feb 2005 (MST)

:I don't. It doesn't provide any information that one couldn't figure out by just watching [[A Jorb Well Done]]. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

Yet [[Strong Bad's Mount RidesPlace USA]] doesn't provide any information that one couldn't figure out by just watching [[theme park]]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 09:50, 19 Feb 2005 (MST)

This was marked and deleted again. Tell you what Trogga, the day we know what sport they play, we will keep the article ;) [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 22:11, 10 Apr 2005 (MDT)

== Rock Opera Context Note ==

Tom,

Hello. I hope your day is well.

I disagree with your moving the work left to do on the rock opera context page to the discussion page, for the simple reason that NOBODY will see it there. If it can't be on the main page, then it should be deleted altogether, as it is serving no purpose.

The point of putting up the note was to aid people in knowing which words were still missing and at the same time encourage those die-hard troupers out there to help complete the page (kind of like a game). You know who I'm talking about: that special someone who is gonna figure out exactly which "I" was used from "lackey".

Therefore, I believe the note should be reinstated at the head of the main page. Besides, it's only temporary... just till we get this thing done.

Kind regards, 
[[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:58, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)

:I understand and appreciate your concern. However, articles are designed to be read as articles and nothing else. There should never be notes or instructions left for future editors. This is mentioned explicitly in the [[HRWiki:Standards#Don't use conversational style|don't use conversational style]] section of the [[HRWiki:Standards|wiki standards]]. Wiki users, especially the die-hard troupers you mention, know to look at Talk pages. That's what they are for.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:05, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)

I see your point. I still don't completely like it, but at least I agree with you now. This particular page is close to my heart because I'm the one who set it up and got the ball rolling on filling in the words (although, I'll admit that ''someone'' would have done it eventually). It also happens to be the very first page I've created for the Wiki. I'm so pleased that the community has deemed the page useful and that they're helping to finish it with such vigor. I watch excitedly as each new entry is filled in. (I would do more research myself, but I've got this stupid ''job'' thing where I have to be if I want money. You probably know how that goes.)

Cheers, 
[[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 11:49, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)

:No problem. I'll remove the note again. I'd also like to bring to your attention the [[HRWiki:Projects]] page. That might be a better spot for you to put a note.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:10, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)

==[[Strong Bad Email By Name of Sender]] Tables?==

I've put tables up on the A's and B's section of [[Strong Bad Email By Name of Sender]]. What do you think of this? Do you think it's better? Any suggestions as to how the tables should be better? Should I leave it as 'N/A', ''N/A'', 'None', or just leave it blank or something? Any input or blessing would be much appreciated. I'm just gonna leave it there until I get some kinda direction from a higher power (I.E., Mod). Thanks.
[[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 00:59, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)

:Looks like you got a good respose on [[Talk:Strong Bad Email By Name of Sender#Tables|the talk page for the article]]. Looks good.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:26, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

:Yea, [[User:Jay|Jay]] was a big help. Thanks anyways.
[[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 00:15, 28 Feb 2005 (MST)

==We Need A Mod==

On the H*R updates page, (the main one), I think the disclaimer at the top needs rewording a bit since we now have the navigation box. But it's a protected page. So we can't change it. Can you? It doesn't really need any of those links anymore, since they're all in the box. Thanks.

[[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 00:15, 28 Feb 2005 (MST)

:Done.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:54, 28 Feb 2005 (MST)

== NYU Video ==

I know I probably shouldn't put this on your wiki, but on your website, the link to the NYU video is dead or something. Do you have any advice on how to open it? I was there, but I'd love to see it again! And this way, I won't have to stand outside in the cold for 2 hours holding a yellow sign to get tickets again.

:I just wanted to '''thank you''' for making the video available to us fans! Using your generous torrent and 80 percent of your AVI file, I have put up a [[NYU Talk - 1 Mar 2005|preliminary transcript]]. It barely scratches the surface, but it's a start. To the person above (who didn't sign his or her post), check out Tom's instructions [[Talk:NYU Talk - 1 Mar 2005|here]]. Thanks again, Tom. I really loved what I've seen of your footage of the performance and autograph signing. I hope the screenshots I took do it justice! --[[User:The Paper|The Paper]] 13:27, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)

::Issac: I think The Paper answered your question, those instructions should be what you need.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:35, 19 Mar 2005 (MST)

::The Paper: Hey, the pleasure is all mine. The transcript looks pretty good. I also want to compliment you on your screenshots. How did you manage to get [[:Image:TBC at NYU intro.jpg|this one here]] to look so good on that second try?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:35, 19 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Removing Fun fact ==

I just removed a funfact in [[long pants]] on the basis of it being a repeat apprearance, and already mentioned in the transcript. Why did you re- add it?--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 14:38, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)

:It was a long standing rule not link to articles in a transcript. I see this is not the case in this instance, as [[BMW Lighter]] is linked to from the transcript. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I've reverted my revert.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:43, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)

:Similar occurences appear on other pages where the lighter is used. Would you like me to remove those fun facts too?--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 14:47, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)

::I suppose as long as there is a link somewhere in the article there isn't any harm. But make sure the fun facts don't afford any additional information before you remove them. If it's just "The BMW Lighter is in this toon", then it would seem to be alright to remove it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:52, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)

==Redirectetiquette?==

Okay, I changed the links from Sketchbook to [[Museum Sketchbook]], and moved the page there. But I can't seem to move [[Weekly Sketchbook]] to Sketchbook. Is that because it's got the redirect there, in which case do I need to first wipe the Sketchbook page clean, and then move the page there? ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'' 17:54, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)

:I'll be interested to see Tom's reply, because I'm pretty sure you can't have both an article and a redirect with the same name. But I also have a question for both of you: Shouldn't the museum sketchbook article be called <nowiki>[[Sketchbook (museum)]]</nowiki>, instead of <nowiki>[[Museum Sketchbook]]</nowiki>? After all, the tab on the file folder just reads "Sketchbook". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:07, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)

::Dang, not again. I just don't know. I think it's pretty safe to say that the weekly should just be 'Sketchbook', but yea, the Museum one is kinda 'sketchy', (slight pun intended). Well it's up to you guys, as long as the weekly one gets the 'main title'. ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'' 19:53, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)

:::Fixed. See [[Museum Sketchbook]] and [[Sketchbook]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:18, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Edit Conflict Solution? ==

If we delete all pages that have an edit conflict, and then put them back with the same title and content, do you think that might get rid of this Edit Conflict problem? --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 07:54, 9 Apr 2005 (MDT)

:That was one thing I tried, but it didn't work. It doesn't matter now, as it is now fixed by another solution.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:19, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Inappropiate Context? ==
My friend wants to know if [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Other_Character_Email_Strong_Mad/30&oldid=13978 this other character email] on the Fanbase is legal, or if it he would get in trouble if he makes it public. Can you help? -- [[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 09:08, 10 Apr 2005 (MDT)

==Oh No! [[User:Tom|Tommy's]] Stuck In The Well!==

Well seriously, where else could [[User:Tom|he]] be? [[User:Tom|He]] hasn't been around since the third! Hey [[User:Tom|Tom]], [[User:Tom|your]] questions are stacking up! Hurry up and get out, [[User:Thunderbird L17|w]][[User:FireBird|e]] need [[User:Tom|your]] guidance and wisdom beyond [[User:Tom|your]] years! ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'' 09:59, 10 Apr 2005 (MDT)

== Unnamed Characters ==

Yo, I have something to ask you, Why don't you have a Category for unnamed characters? I was planing on doing some pages for a few people In the background of marshmallows last stand, and they wouldn't have a category!

:I'm thinking there isn't one because we don't need one. And it's not like I'm the one who comes up with these things anyway. It's a wiki. If there's a need for something, anyone can create it following the [[HRWiki:Standards|standards]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:54, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== MediaWiki Question ==

Hi Tom:

First, thanks for hrwiki, it rules and I visit at least weekly. If you browse to [http://jfwiki.org my new wiki] you'll see that I've stolen (respectfully appropriated?) some of your excellent help text and another thing or two. Wikisource comments give you props.

But there's something else I want to learn from you: how do you make fundraising or sysop announcements appear across the whole wiki?

Bowing humbly, [[User:spblat|spblat]] 20:42, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Never mind. MediaWiki:Sitenotice [[User:spblat|spblat]] 23:17, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::Yup, you got it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:01, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Email ==

Whoa! Yes, yes I most assuradly do. Only every two or three days though, and my junk folder even less, due to the unholy ammount of spam I am bombarded with. But I just sifted through, and found it. I also added you to safe list, so all future emails from yourself will be replied to much faster. Come to think of it, I'm gonna go and add all sysop addresses to my safe list. ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'' 01:11, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Cool.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:15, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==Sysop Question==

Hey Tom, I have a question about the new Sysop abilities. Just how do I do the Recentchanges Patrol ability? And what exactly would I be viewing? Aren't edits instantanious? So how do I view them ahead of time? Thanks Tom. ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'' 03:24, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:When you view edits via the RecentChanges page by clicking on the "diff" link, you now have the option to "[Mark as patrolled]". This removes the red exclamation point on the RecentChanges list, alerting other sysops that you've checked out that edit so they don't have to.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:49, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::Sweet, That's useful. I was wondering what those red marks were for. Okay, thanks. ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'' 04:06, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::Actually, you can mark a change as patrolled if you are or aren't a sysop. At least, I could. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

::::Hey, you're right. The requirement is simply that you are a logged in user.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:25, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::::Oh. Well then... Coun't a troll mark his own change as 'patrolled'? Or are trolls generally just accepted to not be that smart, or have that long of an attention span? ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>'' 23:28, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::::Generally, trolls != smart. But yes, any logged in user could mark any edit as patrolled. Though it's likely that the kind of people that deface articles are not the kind of people who know about the patrolled edit feature.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:45, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Format Help ==

(copying what's on my Talk page) Hi there -erson. I've deleted your "formathelp" Template and Category. If something is formatted incorrectly, just fix it. Notes for future editors like that should not appear in articles, as per the [[HRWiki:Standards|Wiki standards]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:53, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:I realise that, however it is I that do not know advanced formating, d would like to keep this notes inthe pages I am planning to make. And shouldnt that *this page requires clanup and revision* template be deleted too as it would be a note to future editors?-- <tt>Posted by: [[User:-erson|-erson]] [[User talk:-erson|Talk]]</tt> 18:43, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::[[Help:Editing]] contains all the advanced formatting you should need to make a page. You can also use the [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]] for practice and ask questions and request help from other users (I'd be happy to assist). The Cleanup template isn't really a note to future editors so much as a notice that a page needs work done on it. So there's really no need for the "formathelp" template. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 23:13, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::What she said.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:56, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==MATT?!?!?!==

Oh come on, couldn't you guess I was gonna do that next? I just did a save, and realized that THE EXACT CHANGES were already made. Seriously, what a pointless five minutes. Oh well. You wanna do the final clean up/formatting? ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'' 23:26, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:You actually went through and changed them all by hand? Man, that's rough. I just popped the text into TextPad and did a "find and replace all". It's all yours now, help yourself.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:35, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Ah, cut and paste. I thought of the 'find and replace all', but since it isn't in the Wiki I didn't think of it. I just cut and pasted 'att', and then just pointed and Ctr+V'd. But your meathod will be WAY better in the future, thanks. Learn something new everyday I guess... ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'' 23:39, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::Indeed.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:43, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Personal CSS ==

Is it possible to change the size of the logo in one's personal "monobook.css"? →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

:Not really. You could hide half of it (or as much as you want) with something like <tt>#p-logo{height:155px;width:6em;overflow:hidden;}</tt>, but I don't think that's what you are looking for. There might be some other solution, but I really can't think of anything right now off of the top of my head.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:49, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

== Attention... ==

Tom, have you noticed the conversation going on at [[HRWiki talk:Introduction 2]] yet? I've proposed combining pages 2 and 3 into a single page and posted a [[User:JoeyDay/Introduction 2 mock-up|mock-up]] on my user page. Let me know what you think. — http://joeyday.com/images/wikisig.gif '''[[User:JoeyDay|Joey]]''' ([[User talk:JoeyDay|talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/JoeyDay|edits]]) 19:03, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

== Personalized Signatures ==

Since many folks nowadays seem to be personalizing their sigs, I was just wondering: Is sig help covered in an 'HRWiki:' page? If not, should one be made? ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>'' 18:42, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

:[[HRWiki:User preferences help#Your nickname]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:31, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

::Thanks. I added a paragraph about changing the signature color, check it out and make changes if you want. I don't think I really explained it perfectly... ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>'' 21:42, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

:::I honestly don't think it is necessary. It's something people learn over time. Customizing one's signature shouldn't be that important. And if I may ask, why are you linking to december.com there? Wouldn't the relavent [[Wikipedia:Web colors|Wikipedia article on web colors]] be better?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:51, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

::::I fixed the paragraph about signature color so it is valid XHTML 1.0 Strict (just doing my duty as a member of the [[HRWiki:Validation committee|validation committee]]). I also linked to the suggested wikipedia article. — http://joeyday.com/images/wikisig.gif '''[[User:JoeyDay|Joey]]''' ([[User talk:JoeyDay|talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/JoeyDay|edits]]) 00:27, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Oh there it is. I figured there was some kinda wikipedia article on the subject, but I couldn't find it. That was just the site I used, but yea, the wikipedia one is far better. And I know it's not necessary, but I couldn't figure it out, so likely people that come along later won't be able to either. This way they can just turn to the help section, and it's all right there along with a Wikipedia color scheme. Thanks guys. ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>'' 07:11, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

==Trogga==

[[User:FireBird|We]] have a problem with Trogga. He's been making alot of edits that boarder on Trolling. Just look at his [[User talk:Trogga|talk page]] and you'll [[Special:Contributions/Trogga|see what we mean]]. Make no mistake about it, he does make good edits too, but a large chunk of them are mass deletions of text. So what should we do? Is another big deletion grounds for blocking? Or should we continue to follow him around undoing his... overzealousness? ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>'' 01:22, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

:I know Joey has threatened to block him before. I know he makes some good edits, so just be careful we don't lose a good editor. If you feel he should be blocked, just make sure you give him fair warning (which I guess you have already) and keep it short (24h).[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:01, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

==Copywritten Reply==

[[Talk:Tastes Like Chicken Interview|Check it out]]. Ask and thou shalth recieve. He said to let him know either way, so should I just email back, thank him for his offer, and accept it? (I'm also gonna get to all the other interviews over the next couple days, start writing some letters...) ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>'' 05:38, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

:Hey, something is better than nothing. Yeah, you should email him back and kindly accept with our gratitude. Just make sure you include all your emails back and forth on the discussion page. Good work![[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:42, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

::Do you have time for a legal question? I was just seeing the R!OT news radio page, that one apparently didn't even come with a website or transcript. Does that fall under 'fair use'? Same question with Wired News Radio. ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>'' 22:16, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

:::For the [[R!OT Radio Interview 1]], the best I could find was a [http://tvulive.com/contact.htm contact form]. I think we are okay with the transcript there, but we could still ask for information regarding the broadcast.
:::The [[Wired News Radio Interview]] has "© Copyright 2005, Lycos, Inc. All Rights Reserved." at the bottom. There's also a "Reprints" link at the top, that leads to [http://www.rsicopyright.com/ics/prc_main/select_usertype.html?prc=3.6289.4462850 a walkthrough] of copyright stuff. You'd want to choose the "All Other Licensing Requests" option there, and fill out that form.
:::Hope that helps.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:48, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

::::Thanks man, that's perfect. One more legal question: Wonkavision. Is that fair use? Seems like reprinting stuff in a magazine that's still for sale wouldn't fall under that, but am I wrong? ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>'' 07:06, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::Yeah, regarding the [[Wonkavision Magazine Interview]], I'm thinking that we can't reproduce it for the reasons you mention, but there's no harm in [http://www.wonkavisionmagazine.com/contact.html asking]. I'd also guess the [http://www.livejournal.com/community/homestar_runner/899307.html copy that exists elsewhere] doesn't have permission to be there.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:07, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Okay, well thanks for all that info, I'll just keep trying to work out all the legal bugs on that page then. Thanks. ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>'' 19:11, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

==pre==

Is there a way to make this formatting have a 'cascading' type result fitting the window, as is usually the case? All I ever get, save manually seperating the paragraph into managable lines, is having the paragraph extend endlessly to the right... ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>'' 05:00, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, what you experience is exactly what the <tt><pre></tt> tag is [http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/text.html#h-9.3.4 supposed to do]. Sorry.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:39, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

::Oh okay. But we're still supposed to use this when showing some kind of printed message, such as an email, correct? Because that's what I've been doing with the permission emails for reprintage on the talk pages. ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>'' 17:22, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

:::When quoting an email, you should use <code>blockquote</code> instead of <code>pre</code>. We should set up a style so that blockquoted text has a distinct look. Perhaps a bar down the left hand side like you get when replying to an email in Outlook. I've actually been wanting to get away from <code>pre</code> for some time now. I've proposed a change to Strong Bad Emails on the [[Talk:Strong Bad Email#New email format...|Strong Bad Email talk page]]. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:17, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

==SPACL?==

Have you seen [[HRWiki:The Stick|The Stick]] lately, namely this '[[HRWiki:STUFF'd Project Activities Control League|SPACL]]' thing? Is this sanctioned at all? It doesn't really seem to fit into the wiki as a 'NPOV' type place at ALL. [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]], a user who's only been around a few months, and whom I've never even HEARD OF, has seemed to claim ownership of it as well, which really isn't a Wiki thing to do. I mean, not even Joeyday does much without a joint decision. I don't want to delete it or anything in case it is sanctioned, but I really think this needs a total overhaul at least, if not total deletion. Can't this thing just be covered under the [[HRWiki:Select The Usable Fun Facts|STUFF]] page, or it's talk page? This is really starting to turn this Wiki into the direction of the Fanstuff one, something I really wouldn't want to see... ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>'' 19:20, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

:Eep. I don't that's what Joey had in mind, and it looks like he is taking care of it on the [[HRWiki talk:STUFF'd Project Activities Control League|talk page]] over there. Thanks for the heads up Thunderbird.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:33, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

==STUFF reform==
Hey, Tom. I've got a page I'd like you to check out. [[User:It's dot com/STUFF reform]]. It took me a long time to create it, and I would value your input. (You can use the talk page there.) Thanks. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:01, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

:Sorry, but [[HRWiki talk:Select The Usable Fun Facts#I don't think we need STUFF anymore|I don't think we need STUFF anymore]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:46, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
== Importante!! Importante!! ==
OK TOM! I give up! Everybody's been flicking my ear about some typa spyware or something on my computer that ''I've'' personally never seen a lick of. If what you say is true, do you, or anyone else, know how to '''DELETED''' the ware?
Your whatever,
[[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]]
P.S. Everyone's been saying that it mangles pages. So sorry for mangling any pages.

:Who has been bothering you about this? Everybody? What ''I'' say is true? What are you talking about?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:01, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

::I can't edit my user page and alot of other stuff because whenever I click "edit", The screen says "USER IS BLOCKED. YOU HAVE BEEN BLOCKED BY TOM. HE SAYS THAT YOU HAVE SPYWARE THAT MANGLES PAGES. PLEASE CONTACT TOM." or something like that. So its been mostly you, but once in a blue moon, it pops from someone like Jay or someone else popular or important *sob*. [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]]

:::Not exactly that. We don't use all capital letters in any of our site notices. It sounds like you are seeing the [[MediaWiki:Blockedtext|blocked notice]]. You see that part there that says "Your IP address is [your IP address here]. Please include this address in any queries you make." Yeah, I need your IP address to fix the problem. Or at least determine what's going on.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:17, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

::::He had a different complaint about some "dollar" deal that happened a while back... I think his IP address might be ever-shifting, but since I don't know what his IP address is... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:22, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Okay now. Just before I tell you my IP address, how do you find out your IP address (sorry, I've only been on HRWiki for 2 months or so, and I'm still trying to adapt and learn all thems weird whatsamajiggies you's abeen saying (like ''IP Address'')).

:There are multiple ways to go about it. One easy way would just be to log out and look at the upper-right corner of any page here on the Wiki, and it will tell you. Or you could go through your computer's settings. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:39, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

::It should be a seven or eight digit number or so, seperated by two periods. E.g: 43.202.18 or something. and Jay's right, the best way to find it is just sign out, and look on the top right of the wiki, or even just after signing out, leave a comment here that includes: <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki>, Which is four little wavy signs that will be on the top left of your keyboard. (Likely 'Shift' + The top left button below esc). Are those instructions any better? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 16:50, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Actually it will be four numbers of up to three digits each - anything from 0.0.0.0 to 255.255.255.255. But I'm a Comp Sci major who studied IP addresses as part of one of my classes last semester. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:21, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

::::Jay and Thunderbird: IP addresses consist of 32 bits. A single bit is a one or a zero. IPv4 addresses are commonly expressed as a dotted quad, four octets (8 bits) separated by periods. Read [[Wikipedia:IP address|IP address]] for more information.
::::Cheatachu72: Try [http://www.ipchicken.com/ ipchicken.com].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:29, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::Uh, yes, I know. I was just trying to explain what it would look like. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:46, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

::::::I didn't. Very... Interesting. Thanks guys. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} (Check Out My New And Improved Userpage! Comment On How To Make It Better!)

:::::::Sorry Jay, I didn't mean to imply that you didn't know. I just like putting the info out there. Oh, and I missed your last comment there. Whoops.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:06, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

== Banned? ==

Wow, Tom, you really were my favorite moderator right up until there. Why did you ban me? Do you not like me? Is ramrod the only person who fits your standards, and JelloB?--[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]][[User_talk:Homsar999|ß]] 22:22, 23 May 2005 (CDT)

== 70.92.150.43 ==

This guy is making quite a mess today. Can you ban him? -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:46, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

:Done.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:48, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

::Thanks! But why only 72 hours? This is the 2nd time he's done this. If this isn't grounds for a permanent ban, I don't know what is! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:51, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Quite sadly, there's no such thing as a permanent ban. We can ban a particular IP address indefinitely, but ISPs assign users new IP addreses frequently, especially on dial-up. Banning any IP indefinitely is just as likely to block out legitimate users who inherit the blocked IP sometime down the road as it is to keep the troll from coming back. This is why we rarely use indefinite blocks. — [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 17:42, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

:I agree that guy's done too much damage. We've spent half an hour cleaning up after him. [[User:The_Pardack|The Pardack]]

== Yep, it's me ==

Is Tom the head of this place? I just became a user, and I want to put this right. PUT WAGON FULLA PANCAKES IN THE RIGHT PLACE. Really, i'm not stopping until it's done, make it a character, do you see a label on the Wagon Fulla Pancakes that makes him eatable? I don't. Please fix this, I don't know this formatting hullabaloo, but you sure do, so could you help me here? P.S. How do I make links from stuff? -Dinoshaur

:Excuse me? I don't understand.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:52, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Here's a question ==
On the new main page, do you know where the List of registered users is? [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 17:52, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

:Nowhere. Try [[HRWiki:The Stick|The Stick]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:54, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

== [[Mellow Mushroom]] ==

Tom, how do you [[Talk:Main_Page#More_interwiki_links.3F|know]] TBC only did the animation on MM? --[[User:Trogga|TROGGA!]] 19:23, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

:They certainly don't make pizzas or own any part of the Mellow Mushroom company. They were hired to do the website. And if my memory serves me correctly, I think Matt did some radio commercials for them too. Why do you ask?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:30, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I know they only did the website, but why do you say the toons aren't written by TBC? --[[User:Trogga|TROGGA!]] 00:06, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The toon that is on the site is pathetic. I hold TBC in too high a regard to say that they wrote it. -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 00:15, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Trogga: Were the toons written by The Brothers Chaps?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:12, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Maybe. Why don't you ask [mailto:jeff@mellowmushroom.com this guy]? --[[User:Trogga|TROGGA!]] 23:07, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Have you asked him already? Why don't you?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:30, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==Mustachioed Homestar==
Why not have a separate page for this guy, at least temporarily? There are two Homstars visible which TBC made sure were different. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 21:31, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:From what I can tell, there is an article currently at [[Mustachioed Homestar Runner]]. Perhaps a better place to voice your concerns would be the [[Talk:Mustachioed Homestar Runner|respective talk page]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:58, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Banned? ==

Have you gone mad? [[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 23:18, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:No.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:52, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::If you haven't, then why did you ban me from the IRC chat this time? Was it for inactivity? [[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 03:06, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::No, you were not banned because of inactivity. You were banned because you annoy me.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:12, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::::And how do I annoy you? [[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 23:23, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::::Seriously, man, this has gone on way too long. Please unban me. I don't even know why I annoy you. [[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 04:04, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::::::=Man, you threaten me for banishment, and you kick people off for annoying you! I'm going to report your threat to a more respected adminestrator and have you kicked off, You make me sick! In the past you have been helpful, what kind of twisted guy are you?=

==Balding Man's Living Room==

Why was that page baleeted? I thought it would be useful to create, but I guess not. Any reason why? [[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 05:04, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You'll probably want to delete the corresponding screenshot with the page; without the page it's useless. I'll go ahead and tack a tobedeleted on the screenshot. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 05:07, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Homsar999: I didn't delete the page. You can check the [[Special:Log/delete|deletion log]] to see that [[User:FireBird|FireBird]] did. [[User:Trogga|Trogga]] marked it for deletion, probably because all it contained was "Balding Man's Living Room is where Balding Man lives. It is first seen in Senorial Day. We have yet to see the rest of his house." All I did was remove the links to the page from the rest of the Wiki.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:48, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::If it's because of content, then [[Ted Kotsaftis]] might as well be deleted and un-linked, as well. [[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 03:15, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::As I mentioned earlier, I did not delete the page. Please take this up with [[User:FireBird|FireBird]] and [[User:Trogga|Trogga]]. The [[Ted Kotsaftis]] article is a stub with plenty of room to expand. Ted has worked on graphic design for [http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Ted+Kotsaftis&filter=0 several other projects]. The room the Balding Man was in doesn't have the same potential. Why do you think this article would be useful?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:30, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== More Fanstuff Sysops ==
Do you think you and the other big admins could get a fanstuff sysop nomination going for the Fanstuff Wiki? There are only two active sysops there as of right now, and they get overwhelmed occassionally. For example, someone made a page that insulted a user and had profanity in the page title alone. Although several users find about it quickly and marked if for deletion, it stayed around for about two weeks before one of the sysops found it. It took even longer for the creator of the page to be banned. So... yeah, many users think more sysops are needed. Thanks for considering this, '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''.

:Okay. Consider it done.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:15, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm a sysop! Hooray! Um, am I going to be the only new sysop, or am I supposed to set up a nominations page? -- '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]''''' 22:59, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:You're it. Good luck.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:02, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No nominations? Okay. -- '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]''''' 12:08, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Sig ==
What does <code><nowiki>[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]</nowiki></code> do in your signature? I've wondered for a while. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:57, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:I've had that there since the very beginning, when we starting using MediaWiki back in 1.3 beta. When I leave a comment, it allows me to put my four tildes right after the period. I could figure out how to do it differently with the new features in 1.4, but I'm kind of used to it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:57, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==Deleters==
How do you become someone who deletes useless articles? And what's a "Sysop"?

: You sorta answered your own question - sysops are the people who delete articles, as well as block abusive users. JoeyDay and Tom select the sysops, but the last time they did, all but one of the new sysops were nominated on a special page by regular users. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:06, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm not asking you, Jay. And even though you responded, you didn't answer the question! I was talking to Tom!

:Umm, yes he did answer both of your questions. The first one is answered by ''"JoeyDay and Tom select the sysops"'', and the second question with ''"sysops are the people who delete articles, as well as block abusive users"''. '''Anyone''' can answer a question set on a talk page, even if they were not the intended reciever of that comment. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 22:29, 10 June 2005 (BST)

:: It's a Wiki -- anyone can respond on any talk page. And Jay's answer is correct. To continue the answer, however, the way you get nominated / chosen for a sysop is by making significant, useful edits (like undertaking large formatting projects) and showing good judgement in both your own edits and in dealing with other wiki-users. Reverting from trolls is also a good thing to do. It only happens when the existing admins are looking for new ones, which I'm guessing won't be for quite some time. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 21:33, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Speak in English Homestar Coder!

:What part didn't you understand? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 21:39, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

All of it!

:Very sorry, but I think the problem is on your end, not mine. Maybe Babelfish would be of assistance? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 21:42, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::That's the same thing you said when I told you all the reasons I wasn't keeping your "Message Board" page. With all due respect, is ''your'' first language English? I understood Aurora just fine. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:43, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::Aurora, Venusy, and Jay are right. Sanjuro, I don't know exactly what you didn't understand about what Aurora said, but I just got and replied to your email. If there is anything you need further clarification on, do not hesitate to ask.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:45, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Tom, what is wrong with me making a Message Board like the ones on AOL, where other members can feel free to post friendly messages with other members?

And Jay, how long did it take you to realize that it was I, Sanjuro/Balmung, whom was posting these messages?

: I knew it from the start - I've been following this discussion from [[Special:Recentchanges]], where it puts your user name or IP address next to every edit you make. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:00, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:: In addition, your name is listed in the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom&action=history page history] of this page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:02, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::Sanjuro, this is the Homestar Runner Wiki, a collaborative knowledge-base dedicated to collecting and organizing as much information as possible about [[Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)|Homestar Runner]]. This is not a place for you to have a personal message board. This is not AOL. This is not your website.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:03, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I hate you Jay. So don't talk to me![[User:Sanjuro|Tim-E- Dee]] 22:05, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Look out Sanjuro, here comes the [[Heavy Lourde]]! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 22:07, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::Sanjuro, please do not edit or remove other people's comments.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:13, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Tom, Tomstiff's comment isn't reasonable and is offensive.

:Sigh. Y'all have shown remarkable patience. I'd have put the hammer down on this ... ''person'' ... long ago! My compliments! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 22:18, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I am sick and tired of you Tomstiff.

:So telling Jay you hate him and demanding that people "Speak English!" isn't offensive? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 22:23, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::Sanjuro, I'd like to question your partiality in evaluating tomstiff's comment, when only two minutes before you expressed on this very page your hatred for another user. Wasn't your comment offensive?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:24, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::Sanjuro, my comment earlier was in no way an attempt to be offensive! It was merely an amusing way to warn you that expressing hatred towards another member of this community usually brings about a ban. If I offended you in any way, please, ''please'' forgive me! I remain, as ever, your wiki friend -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 22:28, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Don't talk to me like that Tom. I can, and will, track you down.

:Heh heh. I'm laughing at your petty threat. You better watch out, because in the past we've blocked people for threating others and making personal attacks. Consider this a formal warning.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:30, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Tomstiff, I found NOTHING amusing WHAT-SO-EVER about that comment of yours.[[User:Sanjuro|Tim-E- Dee]] 22:34, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Ooh, but ''I'' do. This is better than television. Somebody make the popcorn! Seriously, though—and I mean this with all friendliness possible—you're playing with fire here. I'm just a user, so I'm not warning you, just giving advice. Be careful. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:38, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Look, Sanjuro, you could be a great, useful Wiki-member, or you could bash, insult and threaten other members. The first would be nice, and the second will just get you banned and mocked. As Captain Planet would say, the choice is yours! (Wow, Tom, your talk page is too long, Clanky!) <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 22:43, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::OK, why is my sig appearing in a "pre" box? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 22:45, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::It sure is Aurora. I feel so loved. Oh, and it's the space after the newline.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:46, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::::Maybe you should make a talk archive like some other users do. Oh, and thanks for fixing my sig ineptness. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 22:48, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::::No way. A long talk page is the coolest. And no problem, 'twas a common hard-to-spot mistake.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:51, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::::::As long as we're all here, Tom, what did you mean yesterday when you said to hold off on the STUFF stuff? And I'm still curious about my question in the section right above this one. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

Sanjuro is obviously upset that his work, although not useful, was unceremoniously trashed. He is expressing his anger in the wrong way, in my opinion, but it's at least understandable. I think he put <code><nowiki>{{tobedeleted}}</nowiki></code> on his user page in haste. Did it have to be deleted right away? If not, is there an undelete feature? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:54, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Oh, sure, it's easy to undelete. The entire old history has been saved. I wouldn't have done it if that were not the case (mostly because I have a feeling he thinks that those comments are gone forever). <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 22:57, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::Yes, that's right. If necessary, a sysop can restore any version of any deleted page at any time. Only image deletion is permanent. However, the user in question's work on the aforementioned page was not unceremoniously trashed. It did not belong anywhere in the context of this project and was dealt with accordingly.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:59, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::Oh, and It's dot com: Would you care to join me in the [[HRWiki:IRC channel|IRC channel]] to discuss the matter of STUFF? If not, I can reply here.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:01, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::I know it was dealt with accordingly, but ''to him'' his hard work was suddenly gone. I'm not defending the page, or even the user, I'm just saying we should let him cool down before granting his request to delete his user page altogether. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:04, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::IRC, eh, Tom? I saw one o' thems once. I'll head on over there now. Aurora, are you coming? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

This website is SO AWESOME! But I think that you guys shouldtake it easy on Sanjuro. By the sound of things (from which I read) all of your comments just made him more frustrated. Watch what you type to this member, cause it just might make him even MORE frustrated.
And Aurora, Captain Planet says "The power is yours", not "The choice is yours". No offense though.

:Ah, I had a feeling I would botch that quote, hehehe. Well, my point still stands. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 23:35, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Botch? What does that mean Aurora?

:Botch = to make a mistake or ruin something. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 23:45, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

So what happened here with Sanjuro? And... Where is he?

Okay. Who is this [[User:Balmung of Azure Sky]] member?[[User:Sanjuro|Tim-E- Dee]] 23:52, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Is anyone out there?

That depends on your definition of "is"

:I'm really sorry, but just ''reading'' through all this made me tired. I think everyone involved needed to have a rest. --[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 00:01, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Okay you. Where's Tom and Aurora? Tell me NOW! Cause I aient playing no games, I mean bussiness!

I'm sorry. Your request cannot be answered at this time. Please try again later, or leave a message after the tone.

Tom, Aurora? How DARE you ignore The GREAT Sanjuro?

:They aren't online right now. Calm down. Fix some hot cocoa and take some deep breaths. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 00:36, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::Actually, I am online. Hot cocoa does sound good though. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 00:45, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::Well ''now'' you are. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 00:47, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::::Chocolate? where? -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 00:50, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Mmmm... Hot cocoa. I haven't had some of that stuff in a LLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGG time!

Aurora? Are you still on?

== Deletion on my account please! It's too raw! ==

Yo Tom! What's up? I need you to do me a little favour. My accounts Sanjuro and Balmung? Yeah. Can you delete them? Thanks [[User:Sanjuro|Sanjuro/Balmung]] 02:42, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC) P.S. [[User:Balmung]] not to be confused with [[User:Balmung of Azure Sky]]

:Tim, after reviewing the database, I can clearly see that you currently you have three accounts:
:#[[User:Balmung]] (user_id 788)
:#[[User:Sanjuro]] (user_id 789)
:#[[User:Balmung of Azure Sky]] (user_id 2001)
:The use of [[Wikipedia:Internet sock puppet|sock puppet]] accounts is highly discouraged. However, I will not delete any of these accounts, since an accurate article edit history record must be maintained. As I'm sure you can see, the user page for the first two accounts has already been deleted per your previous request. If you would like to put any other pages up for deletion, use the <nowiki>{{tobedeleted}}</nowiki> template tag.
:I recommend that you use one and only one of those accounts from this point forward.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:32, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Sanjuro...are you also [[User:Son Goku]]? If so please don't aquire any more accounts...that aint cool man. -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 19:01, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Me? Son Goku? (L'sOL!) No way! That's my younger brother! We only have one computer that WE can use so if I'm to show him something, I have to Log Off so he can Log On!
[[User:Sanjuro|Sanjuro/Balmung]] 19:10, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hmm i ''guess'' that proves me wrong. I just thought it was odd that your little brother would sign on, create a user page then within a few seconds you correct him online...but then again i'm weird.

What do you mean Tony Stony?

Its none of my business is what I mean...I just thought it weird. Btw it is possible to sign your posts with 4 tildes. Comme ca: [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 19:25, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yeah! It looks like you're doing like in your posts! You see: ~3x Is your siggy. and ~4x Is your siggy with time of posting. A like so.
[[User:Sanjuro|Sanjuro/Balmung]] 3x...
[[User:Sanjuro|Sanjuro/Balmung]] 19:48, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC) 4x!
So much for "Three times is a charm" huh?
[[User:Sanjuro|Sanjuro/Balmung]] 19:48, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

And five displays just the date. Learn something new everyday... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} And just the date: 01:42, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== STUFF stuff ==
Afternoon, Tom. I've been busy all morning closing out old STUFF discussions. I have a little ways to go, though. Also, I wonder if we could speak more about how the page should be redesigned before anything major is done to it. Put a note on my [[User_talk:It's dot com|talk page]] and I'll meet you in the IRC. Thanks. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:35, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Sure.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:27, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm back, as promised. Are you around? I'm monitoring the IRC. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:32, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Hey Tom. I am making good progress:
:*[[HRWiki:stuff test1|A mock-up article]]
:*[[Template:STUFF/stuff test1|The resulting STUFF subpage]]
:*[[HRWiki:Select_The_Usable_Fun_Facts/stuff_test3|The index (which will become the STUFF main page)]]
:*Plus all the templates so far

:Yet to do:
:*Organize/polish the instructions
:*Create the templates for closed facts
:*Have other users test the ease of use
:*Convert current items to new format

:The hardest part isn't figuring out how this will work. The hardest part isn't even figuring out how to streamline the process to minimize keystrokes and errors. No, the hardest part is figuring out how to explain it so that novices can understand.

:I was hoping to go live today, but I see that ''that's'' not going to happen. Now I'm hoping to go live by midweek. (Right this second, however, I'm hoping to go get some good sleep.) Let me know how you think it's going. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:07, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::Update: Getting very close now. I've just about nailed it all down. That's enough for tonight... — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:16, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::You seem like you've got everything under control. If you need me for anything specific, let me know. Good work.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:13, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The main format is ready to go live. We are in the [[HRWiki:stuff test index|public testing stage]] now. Once we work out any bugs, all that will remain will be to convert the existing facts to the new format. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 08:35, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Seriously. ==

Unban me from the IRC chat. --[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]][[User_talk:Homsar999|ß]] 00:05, 21 Jun 2005 (CDT)

== Admin Nomination ==

I'm sure we're not looking for any new sysops after this thing in April, but I think [[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] would be a great sysop. He seems to be working harder around here than any of us sysops anyways, and he always seems to have good judgement. I'd love to have him on the team. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 22:47, 10 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:I can't remember the specific instance, but in the last day or so I've thought to myself, "Isn't BazookaJoe an admin?", so whatever was going on at the time must have been good. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:17, 10 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::I always forget that he ''isn't'' an admin, because he uses the same "reverted from (whoever) to last version from (whoever)" message. I guess he types it in manually... {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 00:29, 11 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:::True, but he has only been around for a little over two months. There are some users that have been around significantly longer that I think are also deserving of sysopness. I do like the guy, and would be happy if he became a sysop, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Admins leave it a few months yet before opening another Nomination Window. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:46, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)

== Question ==

On the picture of you are you the one on the left or right I'm guessing you're on the right because the left one looks not happy, but it doesn't look like matt because of the hair.

:I'm in the Duck Shirt and jacket. [[Mike Chapman|Mike]] (not [[Matt Chapman|Matt]]) is in the red shirt with the scarf.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:37, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::And it isn't that Mike is unhappy... He apparently just takes [[User:DaChazman|bad pictures]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:16, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for answering my question guys, and uh that link to bad pictures looks like Matt is wearing that same shirt as the picture on this page.

:Yeah, they were taken less than five minutes apart at the [[NYU Talk - 1 Mar 2005|NYU Talk on Mar 1, 2005]]. In fact, you can actually see a bit of my head in the background of DaChazman's photo.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:57, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)

== Forum namespace ==

How come there's not a convenient external namespace for the forum? You know, so that <nowiki>[http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=XXXX] could be replaced with [[Forum:XXXX]]</nowiki>, or something similar. How's our bandwidth lookin'? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:04, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:That's not a bad idea, I'll look into that. Though you should probably remind me after next Monday. Our bandwidth is still looking, but I think we are down to the final hours here.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:04, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::Will do. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

:::Here is the reminder you requested. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:17, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::Done. Example: <nowiki>[[Forum:15|thread 15]]</nowiki> becomes [[Forum:15|thread 15]]. Oh, and just so I remember for next time, they are interwiki links, not namespaces.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:52, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== On the wiki ==

I'm working on the transcripts as fast as I can... what, do you think I eat, sleep, and breathe Homestar Runner... don't answer that. ;) Seriously, we're working on them. But having Mike mention that he read something on our wiki has got to be the ultimate prize for us. It's like, poring over all the crazy details that we do has, in a small but significant way, paid off. I think we should permit ourselves in this case to announce it in big, bold letters. Or at least in italics. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:12, 28 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:What?!?! Where 'bouts was this? First I've heard of it. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 03:17, 13 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::The [[animal]] commentary. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 03:19, 13 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::Yup.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:20, 13 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::Wow, awsome! Kudos to [[Special:Contributions/66.120.157.219|66.120.157.219]], the one who originally left the Compound Eyes fun fact. He never really made all that many edits, but who would have guessed it was one of the most important edits of all... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:06, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Goofs vs. Typos ==

"Goofs" are mistakes TBC make; for the purposes of our discussion, ''Strong Sad'' made these mistakes. We don't note mistakes Strong Bad makes in his emails as Goofs; rather, we note them in the Remarks. Since there were enough of Strong Sad's mistakes for a whole section, I changed it to "Typos". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:07, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:I'm not really the guy who would know the difference. I only made that change for two reasons:
:#"Typos" isn't one of the ways we categorize Fun Facts. [[HRWiki:Standards#Fun Facts|Goofs is]].
:#The Francis Scott Key fact is a Goof. I knew it wasn't a typo, so I changed the header to Goofs for lack of a better choice for that particular grouping.
:That being said, the Key fact is probably the only one of the four that are currently under that header that really is a Goof. The typos by Strong Sad should probably be moved to another section. Maybe Remarks?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:35, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Goofs may be our standard category, but we are flexible enough to accomodate a special category on a toon-by-toon basis. For example, [[50_emails#Homestar.27s_attempts_at_DELETED|Homestar's attempts at Deleted]]. I think these should be grouped together since there are several of them. How about "Strong Sad's Goofs", or "Strong Sad's Mistakes", or something similar? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:42, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::I think we should ask [[User:Jay|Jay]]. He's the Keeper-Tracker.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:59, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::I think I'll just copy the discussion from 22:42 on up over to the article's talk page. Then, everyone can have a say. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:08, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::::Sounds good to me.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:10, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

''(see [[Talk:Strong Sad's Lament#Goofs vs. Typos|Talk:Strong Sad's Lament]] for more)''

== You are appreciated ==

I was looking over your talk page, and it's been way too long since someone wrote to tell you thanks for all the work and maintenance you put into the site. Thank you! I was propted to tell you this today when I saw that, simply by my uploading an image, you created a new template to replace the makeshift GFDL blurb I had on the image; created a new category for other existing, similar images; and then sought out those five other images that should be in the category and added the template there as well—all within the blink of an eye! I would hope that we all make the wiki experience a little better for those around us, and I must say you certainly do that. And then some. Sincerely, [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

:Hey, you're welcome. It's my pleasure.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:33, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Defacement? ==

What, did you think I made up that picture of the Trogdor beanie? I'm not that skilled with Photoshop. Check the Store before you assume defacement. ;) {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 17:59, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah. I tried to fix it but you beat me to it. Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:00, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::No probalo. I thought it was defacement too but decided to check the Store on a whim, and lo and behold... {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 18:02, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Patrolled Fanstuff ==
Hey, can you edit ''LocalSettings.php'' section of the fanstuff to get rid of those red "patrolled" explanation points in the recent changes there? We really don't need or want them. - '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''

:Before I do anything, I'd like to see the discussion that took place when deciding this. Where is it?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:20, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Oh, well that's a problem. It was on a poll on the second Fanstuff Forum, which is offline for an indefinite amount of time. (it seems that its host quit) I'll create a new poll if you want me to, but I don't think that's nessecary. But if you go there and look at the recent changes, you'll see red exclamation points as far as the eye can see. We don't use them. - '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''

:Done.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:52, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Vugarity==
I went on the all user list page and I noticed that there were alot of vulgar term and slang. Can you clear this up Sincerly former user vile.exe

:Yeah, I'm going to have to do that. Note to self: do that soon.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:20, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==I'm back==
I former vandel[I was the guy who defiled trogdor and charectars a couple monthes ago thanks for unblocking me I have changed my ways don't ban me I am a good guy I swear] current editor and megaman fan [[User:Vile.exe]] have returned.Drop me a line on my talk page for proof.

:Okay.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:07, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Banned. Again. Again. ==

OK, Tom, ''please'' tell me why I am banned this time. Are you having a bad day? --[[User:Homsar999|HomsarAnnoyed]]

== Fanstuff ==

'Scuse me, but I can't get into the Fanstuff wiki. It just shows 404'd every time. What's up with that? It was working a few seconds ago... --[[User:Dinoshaur|Dinoshaur]] 18:31, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Whoops. On it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:34, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Fixed. [[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:46, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Fanstuff wiki ==

Can you please, PLEASE, unlock the Fanstuff wiki? [[User:H*R 700|H*R 700]]

:If you bothered to check, you'd see it has already been unlocked.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:23, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, thank you. [[User:H*R 700|H*R 700]]

== FINALLY!! ==
TOM! TOM! It's over! I can edit stuff! You can remove the notice! [[User:Seek Bar|Seek Bar]]

:Did you read the notice? Have [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&oldid=143018 a look].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:30, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)

==Favourite User Award Winner==

Congrats [[User:Tom|Tom]]

''You have won the favourite user award for this week.''

'''Here is your trophy'''

[[Image:fav user awards.PNG]]

From your ''HRwiki'' friend,{{User:Pertmywert/sig}}

''If you would like to view the older winners please go'' [[User:Pertmywert/fuawinners|''here'']]''.''

== Personal JavaScript ==

I got a little curious and decided to check out your user JavaScript. What exactly does it do? I tried copying it into my own personal JS, but I didn't see any changes in the preview. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pidgeot|(e)]] 21:30, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:It duplicates the links for the tabs at the top of every page on the bottom. I think you might have to have accompanying personal CSS to style it. That should be in my user CSS somewhere.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:38, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::Judging by your CSS, it seems that way, so that would explain why I didn't see any change - thanks. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pidgeot|(e)]] 22:02, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::No problem.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:03, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

==HI!!!==
i love u
-fhqwhgadshgnsdhjsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf

:Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:54, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::Ooooh, quite the pairing. A 35 letter name with a 3 letter name. I can see sparks flying already. Or is that just my avian thunder...?

== A thankyou ==

Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 11.2. Thanks for sorting out an embarrassing mix-up with "hide patrolled edits", and not noticing someone else had already reverted the vandalism I was trying to revert. Still trying to get the hang of this Wiki thing ;)
--[[User:Tigz|Tigz]] 22:38, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:No problem.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:12, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)

==Note from Thechamp==

Hello, Tom. My name is The champ, please forgive my past Trolling for it was my brother who commited the crime. I left the states for a month or so during this period and had no access to a comp. where I was staying in Canada. I rebuked my brother for his crimes and hope that you may forgive him, I am sory.

Sincerely,
[[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 22:10, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Okay.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:10, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah, I am sory, again. He didn't mean any harm by talkin to the trolls, he hates it when people start skrewin with thing that people work hard on. -[[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 01:30, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

==Help, Please==
How do I add pictures to articles? -[[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 13:09, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:See [[Help:Editing#Images]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:19, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== I found a troll! ==
66.82.9.39 is the IP address. It was a troll in the fanstuff wiki. Battle of Homestar High. [[User:Seek Bar|DonZabu]]

:Which of [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&hideminor=0&namespace=&target=66.82.9.39&limit=100&offset=0 their edits] are you talking about?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:16, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== It was a joke, not a defacing ==

dude?

:Thechamp, I'm assuming you are referring to my recent deletion of a discussion page (Talk:No Loafing Sign) you started that simply contained "You heard um, No loafing!". Your edit was defacement. Discussion pages exist to discuss articles and their content, not for you to attempt to make jokes or be funny. As such, taking into consideration your previous behavior on the Wiki, especially your edits in the past day and your failure to heed my three direct warnings, you have been blocked from editing for ten days.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:13, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== Bannination ==
OK, can I please be unbanned from the HRWiki chat? --[[User:Homsar999|Homsar]]

== Apology ==

Hello. I am very sorry for what happened a year ago. You might not remember. But, I ruined the Commentary Transcript for Experimental Film. I just want to say that I am sorry. I used to be known as [[User:210.49.167.191|210.49.167.191]]. -[[User:mitchell00|Mitchell00]] 07:21, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:Okay.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:59, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)

==Update Marker==
Hey Tom! I was just wondering what that Update Marker is for. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 17:20, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:It's a new feature in [[HRWiki:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.5|MediaWiki 1.5]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:29, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)

::Thanks. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 17:30, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== delete Bkmlb ==

Hi Tom! It's kind of annoying to have a period at the end of my name, so could you please delete [[User:Bkmlb]]? If I remember correctly, I think he was a troll impersonator.--{{User:Bkmlb./sig}} 17:26, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

:Done.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:30, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
::Thank you, very much.--{{User:Bkmlb./sig}} 17:31, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

== How do you... ==

How do you get on to the old wiki? {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

:What information do you need from it?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:24, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, I just wanted to check it out, if thats alright with you and JoeyDay. {{User:H*R 700/sig}} Not logged in.

:The old Wiki is not easily available. What information do you need from it?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:42, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, okay. I don't have to go there. I just wanted to see the users, and all that stuff. But, anyways, us at the fanstuff wiki want 1 of our 4 Admins, to be come a Burecrate. Most people think Rainer's the best choice. Tom, can you make one of our Admins, a Burecrate? {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

:No, not at this time.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:45, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Alright. [[User:216.55.218.23|216.55.218.23]]
:Eh, don't listen to him. :P We were just considering it; many people haven't even voiced their opinion yet. (And honestly, I never expected you to do it anyway.) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 12:59, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

== Changing Names ==

Hey, I know I bug you alot, but there always a reason. Anyways, can you make a changing names page one the Fanstuff Wiki? I want to change my name, really badly. {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

:There already is one. See [[HRFWiki:HRFWiki:Changing username]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:47, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

== Commend...a..tion? ==

I have to say that you are the man, and I would like to commend you for making your edits and changing everyone's usernames. You rock, man. --[[User:Daunrealist|daunrealist]] 19:16, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

:Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:35, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

::I'm just wondering, when do you think the next Admin nomination will be? I was thinking of nominating someone (not me), but is it annually, biannually, or what? --[[User:Daunrealist|daunrealist]] 21:06, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

:::When it's necessary.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:09, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

::::Cool. --[[User:Daunrealist|daunrealist]] 02:06, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

== April Fools Name Change ==

I know it's a while off, but I just thought I'd ask know. Would I be allowed to have my username changed for April Fools, and then have it changed back the next day? -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 06:48, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

:No.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:35, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

==What the?==
Why'd you block [[User:68.39.179.135]]? He wasn't trolling. He was just behaving a little newbish. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 22:10, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

:Because of the edits he made on [[Image talk:homestarquiz.PNG]], [[Talk:Tee Bee]], and [[Image talk:stinkogamethumb.png]]. And did I say anywhere that he was trolling?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:13, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

::That seems harsh for someone who seemed to be trying to contribute honestly. Maybe a warning about what sort of behavior is okay would have been better? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 22:17, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

:::Unblocked. Feel free to warn.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:20, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

On the other hand, is 24 hours enough for someone who is being disruptive and should know better? ([[User:Billy Bob Bob|Billy Bob Bob]]) I was gonna block him till the weekend before Coder beat me to it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:24, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

:Cool, thanks Tom. If you want to up that ban, Ben, then that's fine with me. I just usually do 24 hours for a first offender. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 22:26, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

::Then I'll leave it like it is. But if he yells and makes personal attacks again... — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:28, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

== Invitations ==
So, what's up with these invitations-to-anonny's-to-create-accounts dealies? I love the idea; is the concept to extend indiscriminately to all except trolls, or to use in those "Whoa—that was a beneficial edit! Why is this guy an IP?" situations? I ask because [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=24.30.124.162 24.30.124.162] seems to be rather articulate and wikiliterate. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 06:39, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

:In this case, it was mostly the latter. Though I have to admit, it's not [[User talk:65.25.31.135|the]] [[User talk:69.139.163.12|first]] [[User talk:204.117.94.78|time]] I've done it.
:The person you mention there, if I'm not mistaken, is [[Wikipedia:User:Metaeducation]]. They actually caused a tiny ruckus on Wikipedia back in May 2005 that involved a HRWiki template thing. See [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/Deleted/May 2005#Template:Hrwiki]] and [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/Not deleted/June 2005#Template:Memoryalpha]] for some details. (And I wish we could still get at the conversation found at [[Wikipedia:Special:Undelete/Template talk:Hrwiki|Template talk:Hrwiki]] where Joey and I questioned the template, but we can't.)[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:59, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
::Holy cow. So does the fact that the template doesn't exist mean it ''was'' deleted? And are we a sister wiki? Meanwhile, is inviting anonnys strictly a sysop thing, or can anyone? —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:17, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

:::Yes, the Hrwiki template was deleted, the link is for the discussion that occured prior to its deletion. The Memoryalpha one was not, that is the discussion that occured prior to the decision to keep. We are not a sister wiki to Wikipedia. We have nothing to do with the [[Wikipedia:Wikimedia|Wikimedia Foundation]] or any of its projects. Our Wiki runs on the same software, [[Wikipedia:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]], but that's pretty much where it ends. As for inviting, it's a wiki, I encourage you to '''be bold'''.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:47, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

== 64.9.51.190 ==

Hey, Tom. I was just wondering why you ended up blocking IP 64.9.51.190. I looked at what happened, and it turns out that his addition to [[H*R.com updates]] was correct. There is a new quote, fan stuff, and sketch book. You probably found or saw something that I didn't, so you probably have a very legitement reason. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:49, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

:Fixed already. Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:50, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

::I kept reverting his work 'cause in my eyes I didn't think that we'd need that on there. Plus he kept on changing it. -- [[User:Sanjuro|Sanjuro/Balmung]]

:::But that page is our listing of all Homestar Runner updates, why wouldn't what he added belong there?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:23, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

== I can't find the IRC chat... ==

Where's it at?
[[User:Sanjuro|Sanjuro/Balmung]]

:Please see [[HRWiki:IRC channel]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:24, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
::Thanks man. -- [[User:Sanjuro|Sanjuro/Balmung]]

==Emails==
just wondering, what were the context of the emails that RHRN sent you? {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:52, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

:Nah, it's not worth it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:57, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Something tells me that I should be thanking you for that. A lot. Thanks anyway. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:59, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

== unlocking uploading ==

Okay Tom, here's my problem. I am a bureaucrat at the [http://ebwiki.spoonybard.com/index.php?title=Main_Page Eskimo Bob Wiki] and we just moved to new software. The uploading is locked. How do I unlock it?--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 12:46, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, we need to know soon. Theres alot of blank images, and we REALLY need to fix that. {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

::Who upgraded the software? Did they reconfigure LocalSettings.php correctly? And the directions for enabling uploads can [[MetaWikipedia:LocalSettings.php#Image_Uploads|found in the User's Guide]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:43, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

:::Pertmywert owns the wiki. He upgraded it. So, does that mean you'll have to ask him about it? {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

::::If Pertmywert is the only one with access to the files on the server, then yes. He needs to modify one line of his LocalSettings.php file to allow uploads. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:19, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

:::::Okay. I'll alert him ASAP. {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

::::::Also note that the upgrade instructions exist as [http://ebwiki.spoonybard.com/UPGRADE part of the archive that Pertmywert uploaded].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:36, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

== Bureaucrat rights ==

Hello Tom! It's me again, the guy who always bugs you for help. I need to know all about Bureaucrat rights. Since, I am a Bureaucrat at [[User:Pertmywert|Pertmywert's]] [http://ebwiki.spoonybard.com/index.php?title=Main_Page Eskimo Bob Wiki]... {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

:Please read [[MetaWikiPedia:Setting user rights in MediaWiki#bureaucrat|the documentation]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:52, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Okay. So, I can't unlock/lock the Database? {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

:Did you read the page? [[MetaWikiPedia:Setting user rights in MediaWiki#developer|Try reading it again]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:00, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh, thanks for showing me that, Tom. I'll remember that. By the way, I know you a Developer and all that, but you should archive this. {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

:Thanks for your consideration. I'll keep your suggestion in mind.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:11, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

== Um... ==

Why am I banned from #hrwiki? Was I trolling or something? --[[User:Thatkidsam|Thatkidsam]] 16:52, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

:What's your IRC username? What's your IP address? What did you do to get banned from the channel? Are you sure you're banned, or are you just getting errors when you try to connect?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:18, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

:I usually go by thatkidsa [sic]. My IP is 72.145.188.197. I only went on there twice, and the only thing I might have done that angered people is... Having little knowledge of the IRC code 'n such. And I'm pretty sure I'm banned... --Thatkidsam (NLI) 21:03, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

<blockquote>#hrwiki You're banned from that channel</blockquote>

::Okay, you should be good now. There was a fairly broad ban in there that you got caught up in.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:02, 6 November 2005 (UTC).

== Question about the bad_image_list problem ==

I'm a contributor over on another wiki and I was wondering how you solved the problem discussed on [[HRWiki_talk:Upgrade_to_MediaWiki_1.5#Database error]]. It's happening on ours and Google, the MediaWiki site, and the MW Bugzilla haven't yielded any info. But, it Google did link to that talk page. Any info you can provide will help. Thanks. --[[User:68.142.13.101|68.142.13.101]] 03:50, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

:Hi there. Drop me an email at [mailto:tom@hrwiki.org tom@hrwiki.org] and I'll give you all of the details.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 05:14, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

== Fanstuff ==
Can you, um, temporarily lockdown the Fanstuff WIki? Quick? The apocalypse is happening... or at least the same problem that struck this place a few days back. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:46, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, because the fanstuff is about to be virtually DESTROYED!! - {{Stinkoman K/Sig}} 02:55, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Dangit! I thought nobody was there so I trolled the mainpage under the name of Michely00 for some reason. So ban me when ever you get this problem sorted out. Please. {{User:Bassium!/sig} P.S. If I am banned I will reside at the Porple Montage wiki.

:New-user registration and anonymous editing have been disabled. Please leave your pants in the on and upright position. Thank you.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:07, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Why come? Too many WikiTrolls? o.o; [[User: Kiwi|I don't get it]]

:More information is available on the [[HRFWiki:HRFWiki:Big Old Tree/NSMC Troll: Anyone can help!|fanstuff wiki]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:32, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Can you... um... help again? The trolls attacking with the 3000+ accounts he had created. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:03, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
:Yeahhhhhh, sorry to bug you again, but we really need it. I say kill them at the source. {{User:H*R 700/sig}} 02:20, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

::I've got my best men working on it 'round the clock.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 05:10, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
:Who keeps on allowing new user registration on the Fanstuff Wiki?! He keeps on allowing the NSMC bot to attack again and again!! Ugh, it's so annoying... it should be in lockdown until you find out how to stop him for good. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 13:10, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
::Yeah, seriously. I wish there was something that would appear in the Recent Changes that would tell us if something like this was enebled or disabled. But, whatever. It's up to you guys. Oh, and also, why is there a User Creation Log? {{User:H*R 700/sig}} 13:31, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

:::The User Creation Log is useful for tracking if a bot or other vandal creates multiple accounts. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

:::But it gets annoying during very large troll attacks such as this. Man, I wish more sysops were on! --[[User:Color Printer|Color]] [[User talk:Color Printer|Printer]] 13:48, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

:::I just wish there were more sysops! {{User:H*R 700/sig}} 18:18, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

::::Joshua: I keep allowing new-user registration and anonymous edits on the fanstuff wiki. With your proposed solution, how am I supposed to know if something is stopping the vandal "for good" if registration is still locked down?
::::H*R 700: Check the sitenotice that appears on every single page of the wiki. It will let you know if new-user registration and anonymous editing are disabled.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:08, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::I understand, but the Fanstuff Wiki is tiring of being this wiki's guinea pig. I understand that this wiki is more important than it, but this is the FOURTH consecutive attack, the second of which is due to being tested upon. More and more troll accounts are being created, and then there's all the troll edits, which bots can't seem to revert. Here there are hundreds of active users to revert problems, but in the fanstuff wiki the number's closer to forty. Several users are becoming dishearted even to the point of leaving because of having to revert pages again and again and again due to all these attacks. Is there any other way? I'm not sure if the Fanstuff Wiki can survive many more attacks. :/ - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 22:48, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::What would you like me to do? What's your solution? I have absolutely no problem at all taking the fanstuff wiki offline completely. Would that be acceptable?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:00, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

::I wouldn't normaly say this, but if that's what you have to do, do it soon. I can't stand anymore of this crap. {{User:H*R 700/sig}} 23:13, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

:::Temporarily or forever? And what would that solve? (And taking it off forever is not acceptable - too many users love the Fanstuff Wiki.) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:14, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

It would probably only be temporay (Er, however you spell it). Okay, I have a dumb idea; How about if we get some kind og supream hacker to hack the NSMC bot and shut it down or something? Trust me, we may not know how to do it, but if we got a supream hacker, then we'll be going somewhere. {{User:H*R 700/sig}} 23:17, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
::Here's the problem: when you test it, he usually attacks when no bureaucrats are online to stop him. So here's an idea: when you want to test something, enable new users and stuff for a little bit and then DUPLICATE the effects of the troll (without all the damage) and see what happens. When your done and you have your results, disable the new users again. That way the Fanstuff Wiki won't be prone with no bureaucrats online. Um... only if you can duplicate his attacks, that is. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:18, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

:Er, I didn't understand that. {{User:H*R 700/sig}} 23:19, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Wait a minute, it appears Tom has a souloution. Check the Wiki. {{User:H*R 700/sig}} 23:24, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

What does "trusted" mean as a user group?--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 23:35, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:It probably means you'll be safe when Tom obliberates (or just blocks :P) the non-trusted. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:39, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
::...or they could be getting temporary sysop powers... - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:42, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:::All editing was suspended below the sysop level. To enable other users to revert, the "trusted" group was created until all the vandal usernames have been blocked. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:47, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I'm user homestarmy from the fanstuff, and I'd like to be added to the trusted group to help revert pages! Thanks - [[HRFWIKI:User:Homestarmy|Homestarmy]]
:Done. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

===Status report===
*All malicious usernames from yesterday have been blocked infinitely.
*Logged-in editing by general users has been restored.
— [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 12:59, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

:Okay then, so...now that we have it temporarily on lockdown, when will people able to create new accounts again? Because I really wanted to create and fanstuff account, but I can't. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 19:51, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

::New accounts will be enabled as soon as possible.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:29, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

== NYU Talk ==

Hey since you were there do you know where I can find a copy of the NYU Talk? I really wished it could see it. [[User:NOT Billy Bob Bob|NOT Billy Bob Bob]] 20:44, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

:See the [[NYU Talk - 1 Mar 2005]] article. The entire presentation is transcribed there.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:13, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

==Hola==
I figured that it would be cool to say hi to you since you're the big administrator of the site, so I guess that I just did.--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 22:29, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

:Hi.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:11, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

==Query==

I have a question: Why is new user registration and anonymous editing still disabled? I think that the NSMC troll is pretty much in the past.--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 19:46, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

:New-user registration, anonymous editing, and all MediaWiki email features have been temporarily disabled because of a vandal. Why do you think that the vandalism is "in the past"? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:09, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

::I just thought that the NSMC troll would have gotten the message and backed down. That's all. I was also thinking that since there are new people discovering this site every day it would be good for them to be able to contribute and have their say on things.--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 22:52, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

:::Okay. Thank you for your concern. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:40, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

==kinda weird...==
I was wondering, why do you sign your posts with: <nowiki>[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]]</nowiki>? can't you just sign it as <nowiki>[[User:Tom|Tom]]</nowiki>? {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:51, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

:See [[#Sig]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:09, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
::Ah, I see. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 23:32, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

== Just a thought ==

<s>Do you ever scan around on user pages to say hi to people or are your duties mainly keeping the site on track and awesome?--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 17:43, 16 December 2005 (UTC)</s>

:No. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:57, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

== Just a thought ==

<s>Do you ever scan around on user pages to say hi to people or are your duties mainly keeping the site on track and awesome? I'm asking because I have never seen your sig on anybody's guestbooks.--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 17:44, 16 December 2005 (UTC)</s>

:No. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:57, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

::Sorry. Posting error. See below. {{unsigned|Homsarroks|18:00, 16 December 2005 (UTC)}}

== Just a thought ==

Do you ever scan around on user pages to say hi to people or are your duties mainly keeping the site on track and awesome? I'm asking because I have never seen your sig on anybody's guestbook. Also, did you start this wiki or are you just a major contributer?--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 17:44, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

:No. And no. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:57, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

== HRWiki Tour ==
This has been suggested elsewhere, but so far has been ignored by anyone in power. I asked JoeyDay, but he then decided to take a vacation. Then It's Dot Com, but he ignored it. So, let's see if someone will listen to the suggestion here.

A few people think that the [[HRWiki:Tour]], which currently has no solid page linking to it, should be the third tab in [[HRWiki:Introduction]]. Do you agree? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 16:53, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

:I didn't ignore it. In fact, I already replied at the only place there should be a discussion: namely, the [[HRWiki_talk:Tour#Location|tour talk page]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:53, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

::I didn't ignore it either. I've been following the progress of the discussion, and didn't feel I needed to comment. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:00, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

== E-mail Features ==
Annony editing and new account creation are up, but what about the e-mail features? They still don't appear to be working. Is this intentional, or an oversight? -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 10:58, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
:It's Dot Com says that they aren't quite ready yet. They'll be working with a Catchpa system soon. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 13:11, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

==IRC==

I have a quick question, would you be able to come to the IRC channel for a second? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 20:51, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

:Sure. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:55, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

== Appreciation ==

Hey Tom! I just wanted to tell you that I appreciate what you and the other sysops do for the wiki. I know if it was not for you guys, thw Wiki would not be what it is now. I just want to say thank you! [[User:70.153.100.100|70.153.100.100]] 21:07, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

:You're very welcome. It's my pleasure. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:32, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

== Wikipedia ==

Hey Tom it's me. I haven't been on for a while so I'm sorta lost. Where's the Wikipedia at? I need to look up that "F-Zero's 'All your Base Are Belong to Us'" thing again.
~~{{unsigned|Sanjuro|23:58, 1 January 2006 (UTC)}}

:[http://en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 07:04, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks pal. And Happy New Year! [[User:Sanjuro|Sanjuro/Balmung]]

== I think you may have accidentally gotten rid of the updates ==

Hey Tom it's I. A while ago I posted the new updates, and now they aren't there anymore, and it said you blocked me. --[[User:216.120.190.119|216.120.190.119]]

:Care to explain how "URI changed (may take a while for browser to detect DNS settings)." works? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:09, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

::I dunno, I heard it on TV I think. [[User:216.120.190.119|216.120.190.119]]

:::Thanks, that clears that up. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:11, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

::::Good, I was hoping that would clear things up, now everything's fine, right? Thank me later. --[[User:216.120.190.119|216.120.190.119]]

:::::No, that cleared up for me the fact that you were actually defacing the page. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:28, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

==Guestbook==
Make a Guestbook.{{User:The thing/sig}} 22:46, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

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==Guestbook==

If you go on this page sign here


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:The thing, this is spam. Do not do it again. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:01, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

::OK{{User:The thing/sig}}14:50, 7 January 2006 (UTC)~

==Apologizing==

Hi there, Tom. I replied to your message about my edit summary, but you didn't reply back. So I decided to reply here. I just want to apologize for the language. And sorry it took a while to reply to you. I had an emergency that kept me from replying. I just want you to know that it won't happen again. Anyway, sorry about it. [[User:Happy|Happy]] 21:58, 6 January 2006 (EST)

:Okay. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:02, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

== Username redirect ==

Hi Tom, while JoeyDay is out, I'm asking you this: Can I have a userpage redirect to mine? I was thinking about [[User:Elcool]], because my freinds sometimes look for me on the wiki, not by my correct name. Some other users could use a redirect with common misspellings. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 13:23, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
:It's not unheard of... [[User:Thunderbird]] redirects to [[User:Thunderbird L17]]'s page, although I dunno if he got permission for that. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::E.L. Cool, this leads to an interesting line of thought. We could take this in two directions:
::#We do not allow users to have redirects from common misspellings etc. to their correct username. We never have allowed someone to have "two" userspaces, and this would go along with that semi-policy. Then, someone comes along and registers [[User:Elcool]] and starts making edits. Someone like [[User:It's dot com]] or myself would then approach this user and ask that they choose a new name, since the one they chose is too close to the existing user [[User:E.L. Cool]]. (This comes to mind because it happened [[User talk:It's dot org|quite recently]].) Then I suppose we'd block the [[User:Elcool]] account so it wouldn't happen again. At that point, if you came and asked if you could have that page redirect to your own, I don't think I'd be able to say "no".
::#We do allow users to have redirects from common misspellings etc. to their correct username. We'd probably want to set up a process for this, however, because if people just started doing this willy-nilly, we might get people registering for usernames that were already redirects. We'd want to make sure what ever names were redirected where blocked as well.
::I also don't think I'd want this to become a normal thing, where everyone and their grandmother goes and thinks of all the possible permutations of their username and then goes and makes dozens of redirects. I don't think it's altogether too common that this kind of thing would happen.
::DorianGray, the redirect you bring up has a different intent associated with [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Thunderbird&action=history its history], and at this point is an exception.
::So at this point, hold off on doing anything for a while. I'm going to want to get Ben's input on how we should handle it, but as of right now, it looks like it could happen. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:05, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Yeah, sure. I wasn't even thinking of making it informal. Just make it like the Username Change page where people will ask before they do something. And ok, I'll hold. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:17, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
::::(comment only): I think Thunderbird registered the name [[User:Thunderbird|Thunderbird]] before he did that. [[User:Ed smildE|Ed smilde]]/[[User talk:Ed smildE|talk]]
:::::I have pondered similar issues to this one in the past. I am open to the idea, although I agree that to just turn everybody loose would not be the best course to take. For one thing, I don't like having user pages that don't correspond to a username in the database. I would like to consider how the problem might be solved elegantly (along the lines of a Special page or something) versus creating and blocking usernames that will never be used. Let me think on it and I'll tell you what I come up with. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:04, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

== Robots.txt ==
You seem to be the senior sysop around here (I think), so while JoeyDay isn't here, I'll ask you instead.

The Robots.txt file at http://hrwiki.org/robots.txt has this:
User-agent: *
Disallow: /index.php/HRWiki:Sandbox
...which disallows just the Sandbox. However, the Robots.txt file at http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/robots.txt has this:
User-agent: *
Disallow: /
...which disallows everything. Why is this? Can you change it? -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 07:11, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

:It's like that because we (The Admins) do not want the fanstuff wiki indexed by anything. And sorry, but no we aren't going to change it. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:32, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
::Why don't the admins want it indexed? -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 12:43, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

:::The primary reason is so that it doesn't show up in search engines. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:12, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

::::...and why don't the admins want it showing up in search engines? -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 16:13, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::Because it isn't built on strictly canon material. In other words, the knowledge base documents and adheres as closely as possible to the cartoons and concepts found on H*R.com as written by TBC, whereas any fanstuff is by definition made up by somebody other than TBC. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:20, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::What does that have to with the Fanstuff showing up in search engines? -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 17:15, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::::[[User:It's dot com]] is correct, but the reasoning behind our decision was slightly different. The fanstuff wiki was only created to appease a small minority that wanted fanstuff brought back after we decided not to bring it back when we moved to MediaWiki. The Admins didn't want the fanstuff wiki, but relented due to what I can only call persistent whining. One of the conditions of our creating fanstuff was to make sure that search engines did not index it. This was for two reasons:
:::::::#We are very protective of the HRWiki name. We do not administer fanstuff closely enough to control the quality of the content.
:::::::#And as It's dot com mentioned, we don't want anyone searching for actual Homestar Runner knowledge to be confused with what they find there.
::::::: -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 05:20, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

== Bot-assisted stuff ==

Would you be able to change all links from [[Stinkoman 20X6 Enemies and Items]] to [[Stinkoman 20X6 Enemies and Items]]? When I moved the page, there were a lot of double redirects left behind. -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 12:07, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

:Hmm, looks like you took care of it. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:41, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

== NSMC Accounts ==

Could you please clear out the NSMC accounts at the Fanstuff? -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 04:10, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

:We can't. Doing that would leave holes in the edit histories, among other things. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 07:21, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

:<s>Could you at least clear them from [[HRFWiki:Special:Listusers|Special:Listusers]]? -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 14:54, 11 January 2006 (UTC)</s>
::I don't think that's possible. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 15:01, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Umm... ignore that. My bad. -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 15:04, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

== Sorry ==

Sorry for hurting your feelings, man. I just couldn't tell that the censored version was on the page, and Marth 99 said it wasn't - though he could've been commenting on a point where the suggestive one was the article's image. I didn't mean to offend you, I just treat everyone like that. Oh, and sorry I threw that first cake at Strong Sad. Peace.

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== Strongbadia -> Strong Badia ==

Could your bot thingy please change instances of "Strongbadia" to "Strong Badia"? -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 01:43, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

:Bot requests should be made on the bot's [[User talk:GrapeNuts|talk page]]. But now that I check, it looks like the request [[User talk:GrapeNuts#Strongbadia --.3E Strong Badia|has already been made]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:32, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

== ____you should archive this page because it takes forever to scroll down the whole way ==
____long pages should be archived

____this page takes a really long time to scroll down

____it takes a long time to scroll down this page

____this page is very long

____this page should be archived because it is long

____this page also takes a long time to scroll down because it is very long

____you should archive this page

____archiving pages make pages shorter

____if you archive this page it will be shorter

____if you archive this page it will take less time to scroll down.

____it has come to my attention that this page should be archived.

--17:04, 17 January 2006 (UTC)17:04, 17 January 2006 (UTC)17:04, 17 January 2006
(UTC)[[User:216.120.190.165|216.120.190.165]] 17:04, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

:I'm a bit confused here. Is this some kind of code? I think I understand your message, but I'm curious why you typed it like this. Could you please explain? Thanks. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:29, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

________This is some kind of code.

________I am a native speaker of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English English], so I may be new to this wiki language.

________I also speak jbrrsh, but wikipedia doesn't have an article on it.

________I can speak jbrrsh if you want me to.

________Do you want me to speak jbrrsh?

________Eikn kcayce eiyuu ouan't maee tdoo cepeeke ein jbrrsh, ehjerre izzthuh kuweschun ein jbrrsh.

________dyouu eiyuu ouan't maee tdoo cepeeke ein jbrrsh.

________eiyuu kcann annscir tvhis kuweschun ein ieetvhur aynglisch owr jbrrsh.

________I typed it this way because I am a native speaker of English but I can speak in jbrrsh too.

________For more information on English, you can go to the wikipedia article at [[Wikipedia:English]]

____________For information or if you need help on the information for archiving information then you can contact me or someone who's an administrator here (I don't know who they are).

:First of all, Tom ''is'' an administrator here, and I'm sure he's fully aware of how he could archive his user page. It's not lack of knowledge; it's just a personal decision on his part, which he's free to make since his [[HRWiki:User space|user space]] belongs to him. Second, if you just learned how to use the Home and End keys you probably wouldn't find this so inconvenient. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
::Wow! Home and end keys! I never actually never thought of using those, they were always just the keys in the middle of the "seldom used" block of keys. I suppose you learn something new everyday. Thanks for the tip. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:43, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
:::thunderbird, you seem to benefit from, well.....everything. it's kind of strange. [[User:Thatkidyoualllove|Thatkidyoualllove]] 15:03, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

== Whoa! ==

Kewl you were one of the first people on the wiki! --{{User:The thing/sig}} 17:21, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

:Yes. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:17, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

== MediaWiki Software Related Stuff ==
Two things:
#Do you know how the New Messages bug was solved? I'm having the same problem on a wiki I own.
#I had a discussion on #mediawiki with [[Wikipedia:User:Robchurch|Robchurch]] about deleting users. Here's the main part of the conversation:
<blockquote>
<Super_Sam> If you have database access to a wiki, it is possible to delete usernames? 
<robchurch> In theory. 
<robchurch> You can delete users without too many repurcussions. 
<Super_Sam> What about gaps in the history? 
<robchurch> Well, the users will still be credited for the edits. 
<Super_Sam> So, under history it'll show the user, but the user won't actually exist.
</blockquote>
I proceeded to test it out on my wiki (which also uses MediaWiki 1.5). By deleting the user from the "user" table, the user was effectively deleted (couldn't log in and no longer in the list of users), while edits by that user remained in history (including block logs). However, the user remained in [[Special:Ipblocklist]] until they were also deleted from the "ipblock" table. This method should also work for the NSMC accounts.

{{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 07:51, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

:Hey Super Sam. Yeah, I would like to clean all that garbage out. I'm going to do a couple of other maintenance things before I delete all the usernames. I hope to be able to get to it in the next couple of days. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:06, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
::{{done}} Fanstuff is done. See [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Listusers&limit=700&offset=0 this] and [[HRFWiki:Special:Ipblocklist|this]].
::{{todo}} Knowledge base is next. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:02, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

== Is this your job? ==

Hey Tom, I hope I'm not being nosy but, is what you do on the Wiki your job? Is this how you make your living. Well, I asked because I here you contribute to this Wiki a lot. Thanks! [[User:68.155.22.62|68.155.22.62]] 01:55, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
:Oh, man, wouldn't ''that'' be nice! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:20, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
::That would be a great job, but no. Any money that comes to the wiki through [[HRWiki:Donations|donations]] goes directly to keeping this site online. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:23, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
:Using someone else's copyrighted work to earn money without permission is a big legal ''no''. Nice thought, though. XD - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:52, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

== Inquiry ==

Hey Tom, how are you? Would you happen to know anything about [[Category talk:Character Evolution|this]] apparent bug? Thanks! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:22, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

:I'm good, thanks. And it looks like Ben has taken care of your issue there. Nicely done. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:28, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

== Wow. Archiving assistance needed immediately. ==
I know you can do whatever you want with your talk page, but I suggest you archive it. All the other sysops have done it, and they look great. I know people have been bugging you about this, but I ''really'' suggest it. People would love it. Thanks. {{User:Seriously/sig}}

:Thanks for your consideration. I'll keep your suggestion in mind. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:29, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

== Just a heads up ==
Um, a while ago a user named ohW .rD (Dr. who as a different user) started vandalizing a lot of pages. Not a ''single'' sysop was there. Me and [[User: The thing|The thing]] fought it off, but I don't believe it ever got blocked. Can you block him permanently to make sure this doesn't happen again? Thnaks. {{User: Seriously/sig}} 23:43, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
:Thank you for being vigilant while the wiki was under attack. You join the ranks of a long line of members (including myself) who have had the (mis)fortune to encounter a vandal in the early hours of the day or night when no sysop was around. Keep on tranglin'! Incidentally, feel free to [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&page=User%3AOhW+.rD check the block log] before posting. Cheers! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:57, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
::Aw, thank you, comster. That's probably the first time I've been complimented on something page-related and not user-related. Just a sign that I only hang around this place for the cool users.....{{User: Seriously/sig}} 00:02, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

== Archive ==

WHOA! Make a talk archive! --{{User:The thing/sig}} 23:45, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

:See the discussion two headlines above. Also, tom has been pestered with these comments more than Strong Bad has been asked how do you type with boxing gloves on. It's up to him, so in the meantime I'm thinkin' we should just stop pestering him. {{User: Seriously/sig}} 23:51, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

::Arise, my minions! We must poke Tom until he archives! *poke* *poke* *poke* *poke* *poke* - {{User:Joshua/sig}}

:::pokepokepoke...{{User: Seriously/sig}} 00:16, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

::::Pokemon {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:17, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

:::::Okay, stop. Tom doesn't need to be harasssed like this. Either he will archive or he won't, but your poking him will not have the effect you desire. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:19, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

::::::Aw......{{User: Seriously/sig}}

:::::::LET'S POKE USER:IT'S DOT COM WHOS WITH ME! --{{User:The thing/sig}} 00:21, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

::::::::No way, that's going overboard. {{User: Seriously/sig}} 00:25, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::But I will poke Tom! *poke* *poke* *poke* For all you people who think this talk page is large, [[HRFWiki:User:Super Sam/Joshua Talk|prepare to use several gigabytes of bandwidth]]. - {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 00:25, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

::::::::::WHOA! That is not a small number! {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:56, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::::Jeez, guys. My poking was a joke. Why'd you go ruin it by taking it seriously? -_- (Feel free to stare at all of my awesome talk page, though.) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 01:28, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

::::::::::::Thank you all for your consideration. I'll keep your suggestion in mind. Also, I suggest that in the future when someone tells you to stop harassing another user that you actually stop harassing them. Thanks. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:31, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

== Mirror ==
Hello Tom. [[Talk:Scroll Button Songs#HRWiki Mirror|This discussion]] could use your admin attention. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 15:39, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

:Noted. Thanks. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:56, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

== Help-Policy ==

Hey Tom, I wanted to ask you about [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Category:HRWiki_Policy&diff=266540&oldid=246251 this edit]. The reason I had made the [[:Category:HRWiki_Policy|Policy category]] a subcategory of the [[:Category:Help|help category]] was that I wanted users who were browsing the Help category to be able to see the Policy category and browse its contents right away. I reasoned that having the Policy Category have greater visibility would be preferable (even if no one reads anything really). --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:09, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

:The [[:Category:HRWiki_Policy|Policy category]] is a subcategory of the [[:Category:HRWiki Maintenance|HRWiki Maintenance category]]. The [[:Category:Help|Help category]] is also a subcategory of the HRWiki Maintenance category. The Help category shouldn't be a subcategory of a subcategory that's in the same category as it (the Help category) is in. In other words, we want HRWiki Maintenance --> Policy and HRWiki Maintenance --> Help and not HRWiki Maintenance --> Help and HRWiki Maintenance --> Policy --> Help. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:02, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

::My original idea was that the Policy Category be a subcategory of Help, not the other way around. So we'd have RWiki Maintenance --> Policy and HRWiki Maintenance --> Help --> Policy, so that anyone browsing help can see policy and (hopefully) decide to browse through it as well. But it's really not that an important of a detail. Thanks! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

== Mirror: ==

Remember how you asked me on IRC to list all the files we mirror from other sites? Well, [[User:E.L. Cool/mirrorlist|it's done]]. I also took the time to change all the local mirror links to the one with the Mirror: prefix. The QotW page almost took me 20 minutes! But that's not important. Everything for the wiki. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:01, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

== Howdy, Tom ==

Long time no see.

This wiki sure has gotten pop-you-lar.

-[[User:Jweb Guru|Jweb Guru]] 15:36, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

:Yeah, no. Is it? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:15, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

== Range blocks ==
Just wondering: I'm a sysop at the wooky, and I'm wobndering how to block an IP range, just for future reference. Can you tell me? Thanks. — {{User: Seriously/sig}}
:See [[Metawikipedia:Range blocks|this page]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:42, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

== Changing usernames ==

If your a sysop how do you change user names? --{{User:The thing/sig}} 21:48, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
:(You mean bureaucrat.) Go to [[Special:Renameuser]] and fill out the form there. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:53, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
::What about in a wikicity? --{{User:The thing/sig}} 21:56, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
:::You need [http://meta.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renameuser this extension] to be able to change user's usernames. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 22:03, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
::::How do you get it? --{{User:The thing/sig}} 22:14, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
:::::Well, since Wikicities' usernames are global (they aren't specific to one wiki), whoever wants to have his or her name changed would likely have to go through the central Wikicity. [http://wikicities.com/wiki/Special:Renameuser Special:Renameuser] doesn't seem to exist there, so I'm not sure what to tell you. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:21, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

::::::Try their [http://www.wikicities.com/wiki/Special:Contact contact form]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:00, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

==Emergency==
Hello my name is H*bad and I have a complaint to make, I have been blocked again most likely because of the same person I don't know but I am innocent. No one else is replying to what I have been saying. Can you please unblock me because I haven't done a thing wrong. I am blocked on the fanstuff wiki. And I could swear upon anything at all that I am not doing anything wrong.--[[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 17:21, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
:Ps you may have to unblock the people who are doing that horrible joke of having the same user accounts as the NSMC bots but only for a little second and that may unblock me becaue they have been using my IP address somehow.--[[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 17:24, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

::Yeah, it looks like you have been autoblocked because your IP address has been recently used by a blocked username. The block expires 16:12, 5 March 2006 (UTC). If you'd like to edit before then, contact a fanstuff sysop.
::Also, something peculiar to note is that your IP is shared by [[HRFWiki:User:H*bad|H*bad]], [[HRFWiki:User:H*bad1|H*Bad1]], [[HRFWiki:User:Godzillarunner|Godzillarunner]], [[HRFWiki:User:Darth Homestar runner|Darth Homestar runner]], [[HRFWiki:User:1041327735NSMC87789216|1041327735NSMC87789216]], [[HRFWiki:User:1376523585NSMC822710324|1376523585NSMC822710324]], and [[HRFWiki:User:1376523585NSMC822710325|1376523585NSMC822710325]] on the fanstuff wiki, as well as [[User:01857184578NSMC19576857318597|01857184578NSMC19576857318597]] and [[User:Godzillarunner|Godzillarunner]] here on the Knowledge Base. Can you explain this? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:17, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
:::NSMC!? Are you serious? — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 22:00, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

::::Seriously, do you have anything constructive to contribute to this conversation? If not, please stay out of it. Thanks. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:05, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

:::::I can explain a few of them like H*bad1, I logged on to him because my friend asked me to so I could take care of the whole "he is my sock puppet", which he is not (long story I will explain later if you want). For Darth Homestar runner I found out what his password was and I guess it showed my IP as his which reminds me to tell him to change his pass. any ways, Godzillarunner I made him, which I do admit that I made him, but for a good reason, I forgot my password and thought thats ok I will just make a new user account, a few hours later I remembered what my password was. You can delete Godzillarunner if you want. Like I said it is a long story. Plus to make sure that you know I have no reason to do something stupid like troll or whatever.--[[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 22:49, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
::::::You still haven't explained why or how NSMC-style usernames were created with your IP, one of which was even used for vandalism. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:12, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

:::::::First off I didn't even know that one of them was used for vandalism. Second off (someone hates me, which is also a long story), I am not that type of person. I am an upright person, but you know what if you want to pin this sort of thing on me then fine, but just so you know I didn't do anything wrong.--[[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 23:18, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

::::::::Could you please explain how the NSMC-style usernames were created with your IP? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:23, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::I wish I could but I don't know much about computer programing stuff, I am only 15.--[[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 23:25, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::What is the verdict, am I guilty of making the NSMCs and Darth Homestar runner or are you going with the truth and saying not guilty (This is manly so people will leave me alone on whether or not I can be trusted, which I hope I can be trusted by you and all the other sysop/Admins).--[[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 14:38, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::::Could you please explain how the NSMC-style usernames were created with your IP? It doesn't require any computer programming knowledge to create a wiki account, nor to explain how wiki accounts were created with your IP. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:00, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

::::::::::::I would if I could but I can't. I would tell you if I knew, but right now isn't fair, because right now I am getting punished for something that I wasn't even doing. The thing is that I was going to work to try and be a nominee for being a sysop but now I guess I will never be one.--[[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 19:28, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::::::How are you still being punished? The block on the fanstuff wiki expired over three hours ago. How are you not able to tell me how your computer was used to create those accounts? Are you not the only person who has access to the computer that has knowledge of NSMC-style account names? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:36, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

::::::::::::::Well people just will not leave me alone any more. I have no more computers that can log onto the internet. O of course I just figured it out. I will call my suspect and he shall most likely answer my question with a No, because of that he can't lie very well I will be able to know whether or not he is the culprit.--[[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 20:21, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::The culprit is... H*bad1, he was the only one it could be. One day he came over and I showed him this site. He created a new user on my computer. In fact he came over a few more times in which he most likely then created the NSMC accounts that I think are stupid. Man I am good. When I called him just now instead of denying that he didn't create them he said that he did, like I said he can't lie so I could tell that he meant it.--[[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 20:29, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

::::::::::::::::20:21 comment: Won't leave you alone? You are the one pressing the matter on ''my'' talk page. If you are the only one with knowledge of NSMC-style accounts and access to the computer that created those accounts, I fail to see how you weren't the one who created them. But it doesn't matter anyway. You are free to drop the whole issue and go quietly about your business editing the fanstuff wiki as H*bad. If you want the issue dropped, simply do not reply to this message.
::::::::::::::::20:29 comment:Mmm hmm. Great. Now we can all go about our business. Feel free to never bring this issue up again, here or elsewhere. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:36, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::::::::::O sorry, I will never bring that thing {as I call it} again.--[[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 20:39, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

== We need help! ==

Please block Homestar Swimmer when you get the chance! [[User:Beat|Beat]] 16:23, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

:I found him to be Dr. Who. --{{User:The 386/sig}} 16:26, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

::In the future, please use the [[HRWiki:WikiTroll]] page to report vandals. Thanks. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:20, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

:::Sorry Tom, that was my first experience with a troll. Please accept my apology. [[User:Beat|Beat]] 00:08, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

::::There's no need to apologize. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:42, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

== Great jorb ==
I've noticed just how many quality edits, reverts, and deleting you done today. This is one of the few times when I get to see just how great a person you are. Keep up the wonderful work, you're what keeps this wiki running. Thank you. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 19:42, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

:Duly noted. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:57, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

::Sweet. Except I'm wondering what duly means. I'm pretty sure (or maybe I'm just hoping) that it means "to you too", but I'm not sure. Can you explain? — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 19:59, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

:::Try a dictionary. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:01, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

::::Dictionary.com says it means "at the same time". So...You thought you were awesome at the same time? Uh, weird. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 20:03, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

:::::What dictionary.com entry are you looking at? The [http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=duly three definitions that I see listed] don't include that. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:07, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

::::::I figured that "at the proper time" would be what "at the same time" in your comment. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 20:09, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

:::::::Honestly, it just depends on what you interpreted the word as. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 20:11, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

::::::::20:09 comment: Quotation marks are used to enclose direct quotations. If you are changing something from the source you are using, don't use quotation marks.
::::::::20:11 comment: It means "properly," okay? Now please, leave me alone. Drop it. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:15, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

== Images ==
Hey! I be Seriously, ack for a limited time only! I'm on the wooky, and I was wondering what the difference between images were. For example, what does PNG mean what does JPG mean? What's the difference between them? We don't really have an image policy yet, and I would like to create one. If you don't feel like answering all of these questions, is there some page that does? Thanks a lot. {{unsigned|Seriously|00:31, 23 March 2006 (UTC)}}

:[[User_talk:Thunderbird_L17/Archive_1#PNG_vs.JPG|Try this]]. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 00:48, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
::There's also all kinds of links with info at [[Wikipedia:Image format]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:51, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
:::Thank you guys, so, so much. There is a crapload of info I can learn there. I'll read up on it. Wow, I can't believe I forgot to sign! — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 11:52, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

== Whenever I get on... ==

Oi Tom. Whenever I log on, I never tend to see any of the Admins/Moderators on. It's pretty weird. I still remember when I was new to this place, there were Admins and Mods on all the time! But I rarely see any of them anymore.
[[User:Sanjuro|Sanjuro]] 01:07, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

:We have lots of [[Special:Listusers/sysop|syops]] on at all times of the day. Unless you refer to the [http://forum.hrwiki.org/ forum], where we have probably slightly less (but still plenty of) moderators on at various times. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:18, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

::Yay. Another forum to join. I hope I can make time to post there often.
Just out of curiosity; have I ever told you how many forum websites I've
joined have asked me if I wanted to become a mod? Really just one. But
they kind of deleted my account... *cries*.
[[User:Sanjuro|Sanjuro]] 02:28, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

== Sorry (2) ==

Was just trying to fix dead links. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 07:45, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

:There's no reason to do that, really. Leaving "red links" in context is often helpful. Not to mention that editing other users' comments is often frowned upon and can at times change the intent of a message. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 07:49, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

::Well I'd hardly think turning a dead link into plain text would change a message, but I appreciate your advice. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 07:53, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

:::Yeah, it's probably not that big a deal and I'm taking it too seriously. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:01, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

== Thank you for explaining the target links. ==

I didn't know that you could use the id attribute with target links.
There seems to be a bug in my web browser that is preventing it from rendering the target links on that page. It renders most target links correctly; it worked with the test page I made in the sandbox.
I kept editing the T-shirt page because thought that it must have been something wrong with with the code, but it appears the only problem was in my browser. I just checked the T-shirt page in Firefox and the target links work just fine in it.
Sorry for editing that page so much.
Thanks again,
[[User:Jecowa|Jecowa]] 07:54, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

:Sure, no problem. What browser was/is giving you the trouble? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:01, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
::Safari 2.0.3 (the latest version at the time of writing). I've sent in a bug report with a link to "http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Store_T-Shirts#tshirt_bear-shark". Hopefully they'll get that fixed soon. [[User:Jecowa|Jecowa]] 09:08, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

== wikkitikkitavi ==
So I find out we're regrading the software yesterday. I was really excited to actually see everything in lockdown. But I was even ''more'' excited to see pages in 'tavi. I thought you guys were redirecting us to Ye Olde Wiki for the time being because it was a major regrade. '''But I edited'''. In 'tavi. It was truly amazing. I thought it would not be permanent. But now we're here. How long will this be? Will we ever return to the land of recent changes and move logs? ''Ever?'' I hope we do. I'm just amazed to witness such an event. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 14:11, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
:Oh, by the way, why didn't we have to make such a big move like last time? — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 16:23, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

::Relax, Seriously, we're still in the land of [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]] and [[Special:Log/move|move logs]]. 'Tavi has these features, too. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:33, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

== Scroll Button Mirror ==
Hey, remember that modern scroll button song that we didn't have a mirror of? Well it turns out my friend [[User:Super Sam|Super Sam]] had to copy on his computer. [http://simpedia.5gigs.com/supersam/sbemailmenurandom.swf Here's a mirror] for you to upload onto the wiki's server. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 03:50, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
:Done. Thanks one million. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:14, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

==Left==
Hi I left you something on the Fanstuff wiki. Go to my user page there.--[[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 22:12, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

== Halloween Costumes ==

Check the date on [http://community.livejournal.com/homestar_runner/2003/11/03/ this]. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 06:52, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

:It's kind of a tricky situation, technically it was released twice. It's somewhat explained [[Talk:H*R.com updates 2003#Fan Costume Commentary|here]]. The entries are all clarified now. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:56, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

::Qermaq, that's the old version that was eleven separate HTML pages (see [http://old.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=Secret+Pages%2FCostumesTranscript]). Please see [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Fan_Costume_Commentary&diff=305416&oldid=305307 my changes] to the [[Fan Costume Commentary]] article for further clarification of [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=H%2AR.com_updates_2004&diff=prev&oldid=305417 my revert] of [[H*R.com updates 2004]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 07:01, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

== Can you Explain? ==

I'm still wondering on why you blocked Darth Kantana X. Can you fill in a little? {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 02:54, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
:Darth Katana X continuously made derogatory comments toward the wiki on several discussion pages, even after being warned by Tom to stop. If you need some examples, look at [[Special:Contributions/Darth Katana X|his contributions]]. They shouldn't be hard to find. :-S - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 03:11, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
And I'm not entire sure if this'd interest you Tom, but Darth Katana X has made something of a [[HRFWiki:User talk:Darth Katana X#Blockage at the knowledge base|retaliation]] on the Fanstuff Wiki. ...and then I kind of told him my feelings on the matter, but anyway... uh, yeah... just keeping you informed. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 03:16, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
:I'll simply say that Tom's actions here were, in my opinion, entirely merited and totally in the best interest of the HRWiki. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:19, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
::Ditto. I, like Qermaq and Joshua, have kindly (for the most part) explained to him your meaning. He ahs realized, but it's tough for him. Being blocked for a month when you are as committed to the wiki as much as he is is practically unbearable. Believe me, I know. But he's learning, and that's good. Although eventually Super Sam, to stop the fighting, threatened to protect the page. Once again, keeping you informed. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 23:06, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

== RE:Disrespect ==

I wasn't trying to be meen. I was just puting him on my userpage. In memeory of him. Sorry if that was wrong to do. --{{User:The thing/sig}} 21:31, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

:I didn't say it was mean. I said it was disrespectful. Either way, like It's dot com said, even if common sense didn't tell you that it was completely inappropriate, the fact that a sysop removed it should have given you an idea. You are treading on very thin ice and your disregard for several other policies of our community has all of us keeping a very close watch on your edits. Be careful, and I'd advise you that in the future, if you have even the slightest doubt about an edit you are planning on making, you bring it to the talk page first. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:22, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

== Timestamp ==

How do you get your timestamp to appear in your time zone? {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 17:41, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

:You can't fix timestamps. You can only make the time displayed on recent changes in your local time by setting it in your [[Special:Preferences|preferences]]. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 18:48, 22 April 2006 (BST)
::Look at your own timestamp {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 17:49, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
:::Yes, I entered that one manually. You can't customise the timestamp created with <nowiki>~~~~ or ~~~~~</nowiki> though. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 17:52, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
::::Dacheatbot: We actually don't want people to use their own time zone in timestamps on talk pages (or STUFF or wherever), as this is quite confusing. Having everyone use the UTC standard gives us an absolute time to refer to, and only requires one conversion (that is, you just have to know what your time is relative to UTC, not how your time zone matches to some unfamiliar abbreviation). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:29, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::I've been using a UTC clock script in my monobook.js to make timestamp comparisons more convenient. You can get the script at [[Help:UTC clock]]. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:18, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::That doesn't work for me. Maybe it's my browser, I have Safari.{{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 01:00, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

:::::::What timezone are you in? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:19, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Pacific. But the clock doesn't even appear and now my customized user bar won't work.{{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 04:37, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::Try this: take every UTC time you see and then subtract seven hours in your head to get the time in your time zone. And when [[Wikipedia:Daylight saving time|daylight saving time]] ends later in the year, just remember to switch to subtracting eight hours. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:45, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::I still don't get why the clock won't work{{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 15:01, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::Works now{{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 03:40, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

== So, what — just specify a different category? ==

<blockquote>That was just the best one available, if there is a more appropriate one feel free to switch it out. Ideally I think there should be a video screenshot super category, and have tv, film, vodcast etc subcats, but I am not personally very active in category space. - cohesion 08:11, 28 April 2006 (UTC)</blockquote>

So, what — just specify a different category in the template? {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 16:32, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

:See, my issue with that tag is that it was created to be a very general umbrella that fit over a whole bunch of stuff. We know exactly where each one of our screenshots are coming from, namely homestarrunner.com, an Internet site. We don't have all that other stuff to worry about here. The same arguement can be applied to {{tl|character-artwork}}, sure, the images are character-artwork, but they aren't from a comic book, video game, or animated television program or film, they're from homestarrunner.com. I don't think continuing to use {{tl|web-screenshot}} is a problem. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:40, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
::All righty then. I'll go undo the ones I already did. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 04:33, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

== Homsar: banned on IRC ==
Hi, Tom. Nice to see you. Sorry to bother you, but I was wondering about Homsar999. He says that he was banned from the IRC channel. He says he was banned because he impersonated Lunar Jesters as a joke. He also says, however, that you and JoeyDay think he impersonated many more people. I usually would have no reason to not trust you and Joey, but Homsar999 has always been nice to me, and he seems to have a good sense of judgment. If you can, can you please elaborate on the situation so I won't have to keep choosing sides between my friends? Thanks a lot. Sincerely, — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 22:30, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

:Yes, he is banned from the IRC channel. No, he wasn't banned just for impersonating Lunar Jesters. Yes, Joey Day and I know that he impersonated many more users. I don't really care if he has been nice to you or not, and I certainly don't care about your character assessment of him.. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:33, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

::That's fine with me. I just wanted to know the info so he'll stop drilling all this stuff into my head about you and JoeyDay being evil and such. I'm really glad that you managed to shed a bit of light on the situation. Thanks so much. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 16:41, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

:::In your first post you stated that "he seems to have a good sense of judgment." Here you just stated that he drills stuff into your head about myself and Joey being evil. So despite his constant insistence that the two of us are evil, you think he has a good sense of judgement? So you think his assessment that Joey and I are evil is correct? If you don't like us or this website, please feel free to leave. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

::::I didn't say that I hated the website, and that I thought he was correct. He just seemed like a nice guy. It was only ''after'' you had first replied that I told him about your comment, and it was ''only then'' that he called you guys evil. I listened to you and JoeyDay, thus, he went kinda crazy. Now that you've cleared things up, you've also cleared up the fact that he does not have a good sense ogf judgment. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 17:38, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

:::::I did not say that you said that you hated the website. I merely drew logical conclusions based on the information available to me. I knew that you stated that you trusted his judgement and I knew you stated that he insisted that Joey and I were evil. You did not tell me the sequence of events until just now. Also, you led me to believe that he had told you on more than one occasion that Joey and I were evil because you used the word "drilling" which in the way you used it means something done repeatedly over a period of time. I implore you from this moment forward to ''always think before you type'' and to not leave out such important information. Do not exclude facts that are relevant to the topic at hand. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:54, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

== Pic on Userpage ==

If the above topic is finished, I would like to ask, which person are you, the one with the orange top or black sweater? {{User:Count X/sig}}

:See [[:Image:Mike Chapman and Tom Preuss.jpg]]. Why do you ask? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:04, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

:: Seem a little curious. {{User:Count X/sig}} 11:56, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

:::What? Do you mean that I seem a little curious? Or that you are just curious? Or that the image is curious? I know that you are curious because you asked the question. I am curious about why you are curious. The picture isn't curious, it's a picture. I'll ask again: Why did you ask which person I was in the picture? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:48, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

:::: Buh? '''I''' was curious. Your question is probably answered!!! {{User:Count X/sig}}

HRWiki:Changing username

ApocalypX — Sun, 14 May 2006 10:22:11 GMT

ApocalypX: /* Tampo -->Irnakk */

The user name users choose for themselves is no longer set in stone. On request, Bureaucrats can change user account settings and article histories such that all previous edits of a given user are attributed to the new name using [[Special:Renameuser]]. Note: You must make the request from the account you want renamed; anonymous requests (except users whose usernames begin with a lowercase letter and therefore cannot log in) are ignored for security reasons.

==Requesting a change==

#To change your user name, please make your request on this page.

==Instructions==

Please follow the procedure carefully or your request will not be fulfilled.

#Check if the new name you want does not exist ([[Special:Listusers]]). '''Do not create an account under the new name'''. ''(If you already created the new account, don't worry. We can do some stuff and fix it, but it's still recommended that you don't.)''
#Sign in with the account that you want renamed.
#:''Of course, this is not possible if your account has a lowercase first letter. If you can't log in, then skip this step.''
#Add your request in the section below.
#If you are a sysop, please note this fact with your request so that the necessary changes can be made.
#Once your request is dealt with, all edits from your old account will be reattributed to your new account.
#You should check that the old account has been recreated and blocked to prevent someone else creating the account and impersonating you.
#:''This cannot be done in the case of usernames with a lowercase first letter, but they can no longer be registered so this isn't a problem.''
#Move and redirect your user page and talk page to the new name if it has not already been done.

==Current requests==

===Traveling Ham===

Can I get my username deleted? When I type in the main character of my website into AOL search, I get Homestar Wiki stuff.

:You're bound to show up through HRWiki; it's not like we're remote. And no, your username can not be deleted. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 22:50, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

::Asked and answered. See [[HRWiki talk:FAQ#Can I delete myself from H*R Wiki?]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:05, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

:::Can my username be changed to "Business Inquiries" if it can't be deleted?

::::Why exactly "Business Inquiries"? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:52, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

:::::I couldn't think of anything else...- [[User:Traveling Ham|Traveling Ham]]

::::::If you aren't tied to that one for any reason, would you mind trying to think of something else? Also, what are your intentions for this account? Do you intend to never use it again, or do you plan on continue contributing with it? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:51, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

===DJ Teh C.===

some ppls stole my name. or vice versa. and now they tell me 2 change it.
so do i request a new 1? or do u pick it?

:You request it. --{{User:The thing/sig}}

ok
DJ Teh C. -> AIK_74

::You need to be logged in as DJ Teh C. to make the request. We just need to confirm that it is actually ''is'' you that wants it changed to AIK_74. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 20:06, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

try now
DJ Teh C. -> AIK_74 - DJ Teh C. 4:45 pm Eastern. April 23 2006 NY.

:Done. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

===kronosoldone===

kronosoldone -> Kronosoldone. Please.

:Well, I would be happy to, except the name Kronosoldone already exists. In fact, I myself welcomed that name (on my birthday, if you're wondering). Are you that user? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:08, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

===stringbodhunier===

stringbodhunier --> Stringbodhunier bleas?

:I can't find that username. Not only that, I can't find anything remotely close to that. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:42, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

k then can u change it 2 Jaxkaloop5? and can i be on da hrwiki staff?

:I think he meant that he can't find the name stringbodhunier. [[User:TaylorR|TaylorR]] 09:36, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

but,but,but that is my username! Until mediawiki 1.5

:I dunno what to tell ya. It's not in the knowledge base database. To test this, try creating it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:12, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

===Svelt young princess of town===

I'd like my name to be changed to Lady Fan if that's possible. Thanks. - Svelt young princess of town 04:29, 20 March 2006

:Svelt young princess of town → Lady Fan. Done. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:10, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

===sijapu17===

sijapu17-->Sijapu17 please.

:I don't see a "sikapu17" in the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Listusers&limit=50&offset=3400 User list]... are you sure that's your name? If you just want to create an account, go to [[Special:Userlogin|Create an account or log in]]. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 08:40, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

:::Phlip is right, the user "sijapu17" does not exist. See [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3AListusers&group=&username=sijapu17]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:42, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

::::That account was [[HRWiki:Changing_username/Archive#Sijapu17|already changed]]. - {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 03:50, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

===nkobland54===

nkobland54--> Nkobland54 please.

:The user "nkobland54" does not exist. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:45, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

===shaeffer===

shaeffer --> Shaeffer

thanks. =D

:Done. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:16, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

===Lopp3===

I'm tired of having lopp3 for EVERYTHING! Lopp3-->Ten Ten {{User:Lopp3/sig}}

Please? {{User:Lopp3/sig}} 12:37, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

:Done. In the future, please keep your pants on. For real. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:35, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

===Rob===

Can you please change my username from "Rainer" to "Rob", and if possible, change my username on the fanstuff wiki and the forum. Thanks in advance! {{User:Rainer/sig}} 11:06, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

:Oh, also, if "Rob" is already taken on the forum (I haven't checked), "Rob123" is fine for there. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 11:08, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

===AIK_74===

AIK_74 -> thecolorofinsanity

please. i wrould rrly appreceate it! {{unsigned|AIK 74|20:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)}}

:"thecolorofinsanity" is not a valid username. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:16, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

::And I just realized you just had your name changed once already, less than two weeks ago. No, you can't change it again. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

well, how about telling me as to WHY IT ISN'T VALID. vulgar? profane? obscene? too long? needs more pudding? you just hate me? stinkoman the god said so? this is all a big ripoff to destroy my entire social lead in life? *whew* - [[User:AIK 74|AIK 74]]

:It isn't valid because the first letter is lowercase. Please read the instructions at the top of the page for more information. But it doesn't matter, because as I said, I'm not going to change your name again. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:04, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

well, then, can i get a second account if i want said specified user name? and made it according to the user name making rules? - [[User:AIK 74|AIK 74]]

:No, creating a known [[Wikipedia:Sock puppet (Internet)|sockpuppet]] will cause the sockpuppet to be blocked from editing. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:16, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo - [[User:AIK 74|AIK 74]]

===Tampo -->Irnakk===
Can I have my name changed to Irnakk? {{User:Tampo/sig}} 21:30, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

:No. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
::WHY?!?! {{User:Tampo/sig}} 21:43, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

:::You've established such a legacy for yourself as Tampo, I can't justify such a name change. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:49, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
::::But why can't you change my name to Irnakk? {{User:Tampo/sig}} 22:10, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

:::::It's not that I can't, it's that I won't. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:12, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
::::::WELL WHY WON'T YOU?!?! {{User:Tampo/sig}} 22:13, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

:::::::Because you've established such a legacy for yourself as Tampo. Also, the next time you shout at me or any other person, I'm going to restrict your editing privileges indefinitely. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:17, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Is it because I made too many edits? Also, I won't yell at you ever again. {{User:Tampo/sig}} 22:19, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::It is because you've established such a legacy for yourself as Tampo. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:21, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::Does that mean I've been using my username for a long time? {{User:Tampo/sig}} 22:24, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::::No. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:26, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::Mind if I field this one? It means that when you say "User:Tampo", most people familiar with the wiki know who you're talking about. That's your legacy. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::::::::Well, Rainer had a huge legacy. He was almost a bureaucrat at the fanstuff wiki. But he changed his username to Rob. That said, people thinking of him as Tampo doesn't seem like a valid reason. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 22:35, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

::::::::::::::Almost a bureaucrat? There's no such thing. Seriously, these matters are decided on a case by case basis. You do not have the standing here to question my decision in this way. As such, please mind your own business. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:41, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

== Count X --> «Âpðçã£ýpX» or Âpðçã£ýpX ==

I wouldn't prefer the latter, but it's the (PEOPLE WHO CHANGE NAMES)'s decision. {{User:Count X/sig}}

==Older requests==

*See [[HRWiki:Changing username/Archive]]

[[Category:HRWiki Maintenance|{{PAGENAME}}]]

User talk:Tom

ApocalypX: /* Okay. */

User talk:Bubsty/redirect

ApocalypX — Thu, 02 Feb 2006 07:09:56 GMT

ApocalypX:

Hey your geting realy active on hrf (Remenber lunchline joke){{User:pieinbubsface/sig}} 04:39, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

== [[HRFWiki:Wikihood]] ==

It has begun. {{User:Count X/sig}}

Talk:technology

ApocalypX — Tue, 31 Jan 2006 08:13:01 GMT

ApocalypX: /* Forward Right... */

"extrapolates voice"? I, uh, don't think that word means what you think it means.
I'd correct it, but I can't think of anything better than "adopts a high-pitched voice"

Oh, and also, I've actually seen "Computers don't BYTE" posters. In the back of libraries, where even the librarians don't go anymore.

==Endless Square?==
*That doesn't seem right. It looks the the screen saver alternates between turning left and right, making it an endless zig-zag. And that doesn't seem to be worth mentioning. ~Ostrichburger
**I concur, and I changed it to indicate alternating left/right. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:52, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*Take a better look. Its actually just one corridor like end----end with the camera turning around to go back the other way. And, if you think about it, this actually makes a bit more sense from an sbemail humor standpoint. ~SuperKawaiiNeko

==Has anyone tried...==
*To decode what Strong Bad was saying in binary?[[User:The Noid|The Noid]] 15:29, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
**You could. [http://nickciske.com/tools/binary.php This] is a handy web-based utility. Short of decoding it yourself. ;) {{User:The Paper/sig}} 15:31, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
***Actually, that doesn't work because Strong Bad doesn't say a number of characters divisable by 8, so all the decoder is doing is adding 0's to make up for the lack of bits. And could whoever put the translation specify which coding you are using? eaglescout1984 30 Jan 2006 15:40 GMT
***Actually ASCII is 7 bit system. -- Crowther
****Well, I'm still trying to find out if he is saying anything. I get lost, though. I have this so far: 1001101 means...m.[[User:The Noid|The Noid]] 15:44, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*****I don't have time to try again but I got 9945 1 0 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 1 213 + 210 + 29 + 27 + 26 24 + 23 + 20 = {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 15:44, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
******I don't think it adds up to anything now. I've used all of those programs, and they just come out with mainly this:�.[[User:The Noid|The Noid]] 15:46, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
*******If you're using Windows, just open up Calculator, put it in Scientific mode, switch to Binary, enter 1001101101100, then switch it to Decimal mode again. It confirms that Strong Bad's binary translates to 9945 in decimal.
*******That said, I don't think his binary speak means anything in particular. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 16:21, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
**For that matter, has anyone decoded what Strong Bad said in Semaphore? Or was he even doing real semaphore? -Ed
***Well, in Morse code, it's EMITEAUN if zero is a dot; TIMETNGA if zero is a dash. --[[User:Sgleason|S Gleason]] 04:51, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

==Homestar Flying==
*Why on earth does homestar fly up the left side of the screen? What's that all about? [[User:dayve_57|dayve_57]]
**I'm not sure--it seemed to be more of a glitch than something done intentionally. Unless it was a callback to [[virus]]. TBC have a habit of referencing their older cartoons. [[User:Bruce|Bruce]]
:::I'm pretty sure it was just a joke. The way Homestar Runner said "four" made it seem like it was done intentionally. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:47, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I think it was just a little addition to the ridicul-ous way he raised his pitch.--[[User:Robert Benedicio|Robert Benedicio]] 20:52, 30 January
2006 (UTC)
:::::It has to be intentional, not a glitch, because Bubs' eyes follow Homestar up as he flies away. And how could it be a reference to [[virus]]? [[User:dayve_57|dayve_57]]
::::::I bet he was raised by wireless wires. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:49, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::If TBC wanted it to be a reference to virus, they would have made Homestar with The Homestar Runner's body, they would have made his head come off, and they would have made those weird shadowy things appear behind him. It's probably just your everyday Homestar randomness. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 01:53, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

== The Amber Screen ==

The screen in whihc Strong Bad describes how to select an email address is coloured Amber. this is a reference to a time in the mid 80's when Amber replaced green as the principle colour for monochrome screens. It was supposed to reduce eye strain or something.
--"Creepy Pants man"

I remember we had one of those amber monochrome screens.. Well, I was pretty little. I remember it being quite like that - that same color, with the diagonal-ish lines going up it.
No, I don't remember what year this would be.. probably very early 90's. (Probably just happened to have one.)
-- [[User:AshyRaccoon|AshyRaccoon]] 01:46, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

== Clarke's Third Law ==

It seems to me that Strongbad was referencing ''Arthur C. Clarke's Third Law'' with:

''The word technology... means... magic. It's basically anything that's really cool that you don't know how it works. And if it breaks, you have to buy a new one. Why, I've got some technology beneath my pants right now! Whoo-ya!''

''''Arthur C. Clarke's Third Law:''''
''Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.''

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke%27s_Third_Law Arthur C. Clarke's Laws]

--Kitsula

:Oh. I just plain added the thing just now. Incidentally, although I didn't include it, it's even more similar to [http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff300/fv00255.htm this corollary]. - [[User:Octan|Octan]] Jan 30 2006, 3:44PM EST

==Catacombs==

When SB said "catacombs," the first thing I thought of was the second dungeon in the original Bard's Tale game, which used the first-person viewpoint as well. I'm sure other games had tombs/catacombs as well, since it's a standard RPG element. - [[User:Totoro|Totoro]] 19:54, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

:I was instantly reminded of DungeonQuest, with the Catacombs expansion pack. The screen saver itself resembles a first-person perspective of an extremely boring game of DungeonQuest (no catacombs). -Ed

::Yeah, but the screen saver itself is just a clone of "3D Maze", which was one of a series of free 3D screen savers supplied with Win98. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:12, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

:::What about adding a bullet along the lines of "Catacombs were a common setting for dungeons in 1980s RPGs, such as the Bard's Tale and DungeonQuest." The 1980s might be superfluous, since tombs and catacombs are still popular settings in RPGs, but the feel of that screensaver is very '80s, and TBC love to make references to '80s games. - [[User:Totoro|Totoro]] 00:34, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::::The "feel" of the screensaver may be '80s, but that would be a very incorrect reference - that screensaver didn't exist until '96 or '97. (Besides, I doubt you'd find an RPG-style catacomb made up of brick walls.) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 00:36, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I remember having that screensaver when I was a kid.--[[User:Robert Benedicio|Robert Benedicio]] 20:55, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

==I can make mine say oboe shoes!==
Heh. Does anyone else like it when TBC refrence calculator words in such a funny way?
So, one time, in third grade, I remember a few kids typing

7734

on the calculators, and then turned them upside down. As you may of guessed, the H word was on the calculator screen. Very amusing. Especially when we could spell our teacher's first name on the
calculator. Weird. So does anybody like calculator words? - Oopsyoubwokeit (not logged in)
:It's a pretty common thing... I've done it before, but I don't particularily like it... - {{User:Joshua/sig}}
::Calculator talk is fun. There's 55378008, 58008, 0.7734, and a lot more I can't remember right now. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]] 21:39, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

== The Cheatbot ==

I'm not going to STUFF this because it'd probably get denied right away, and I'm definitely not going to just add it to the email's fun facts list because it'd be taken off right away. In fact, I'm not even sure if this qualifies as a fun fact...it's fun to me, at least. Anyway, might could Strong Bad's mentioning of robot's purpose (other than destroying Japan) to be to serve hors d'œuvres be a reference to the first scene of The Second Renaissance? Just think about. And no, I'm not going to put a Wikipedia link to it, it's only worth discussing if you've actually seen TSR. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 22:32, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:If by "Second Renaissance", you're referring to episodes 2 and 3 of Animatrix, then I know what you're talking about. And I think that's a stretch - the idea of service robots that can do all sorts of menial tasks has been around much much longer. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:15, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
:PS: Just like when you were making fun of my name, I still think you're making things a lot harder on yourself with all that excess verbiage there. You know how much harder it is to type all that than just to type <nowiki>[[Wikipedia:Animatrix|Animatrix]]</nowiki>? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:15, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

==Email Song==
Does the email song sound familiar to anyone else? I tried googling some of the key words to figure out which song it comes from, but no luck. It reminds me of something I've heard on a classic rock station though. Maybe fleetwood mac? --[[User:Racerx is Alive|racerx_is_alive]] 22:35, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

== schrodinger's cat? ==

I'm not sure, so I didn't want to add this as a fun fact, and I didn't feel like going through all the STUFF stuff. Anyway, does anyone else think that the half alive/half dead goat is a reference to schrodinger's cat? [[User:Nosmorking|No Smorking]] 00:53, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
*No, I don't. {{unsigned|220.237.71.13|01:21, 31 January 2006 (UTC)}}
*I think it's possible - here's the Wikipedia article: [[Wikipedia:Schrodinger's Cat|Schrodinger's Cat]]. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 01:25, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
*I's [''sic''] more of a reference to "Is the glass half empty or half full?", that psycological question used to determine if someone is optimistic or pessimistic. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 01:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

== Digits of Pi ==

I don't entirely like the sentence "The number on the solar calculator, 3.14, is the most common representation of pi." under the fun facts heading. Maybe I'm splitting hairs, but 3.14 is not a representation of pi, it is a representation of the number 3.14 which is not pi. Perhaps a better sentence could be something of the form "The number on the solar calculator, 3.14, is the first few digits of pi".
:Perhaps "most common approximation" might work better? [[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 03:58, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
::I agree and have just changed it. -[[User:Polly|Polly]] 06:24, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

==Cell phone movie festival==
Hey, when was this email released? Because if it was after 5 am, we've got another case of creepy last-minute coincidence between a real-world broadcast and a sbemail (granted, NPR ain't Family Guy): check out [http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5175556 this report on Morning Edition] about a guy writing, directing, and producing a movie on his cell phone... and hoping to win a festival. At any rate, the [http://www.cellflixfestival.org/ festival itself] might merit mention. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:56, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

==Forward Right...==
*The screensaver goes in an endless loop of Forward, Right, Forward, Left, as shown here:

<code> ---- end
|
|---- end
| |
end |---- end
| |
end |...</code>
I don't think it goes like this. It looks to me like its forward right, forward right, in a big square. {{User:Salty/sig}} 04:02, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
:It seems to turn randomly left or right to me... - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 05:08, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

== .swf changed. ==

The .swf file has changed from the original to completly black around the primary screen. {{User:Count X/sig}}

secret identity

ApocalypX — Fri, 27 Jan 2006 13:07:33 GMT

ApocalypX: /* Easter Eggs */

{{sbenav|142|death metal|some kinda robot}}
[[Image:sbemail142.png|thumb|You gotta be firm.]]

Chris from Laramie, Wyoming, asks Strong Bad if he has any secret identities. Strong Bad discusses several options.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|The Poopsmith}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|The King of Town}}, {{Film|Bubs}}, {{Film|Marzipan}}, {{Film|Strong Sad}} (Easter egg)

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Bubs' Concession Stand|Bubs' Motor Lodge]], [[Trailer Home]], [[Smoky Office]], [[Marzipan's House]]

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}

'''Date:''' January 25, 2006

'''Running Time:''' 3:42

'''Page Title:''' Lappy 486

==Transcript==
''{Strong Bad types "strongbad_email.wad" and presses enter.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Initiate sbemail-refresh daemon.

<blockquote class="lappy email">
<div>subject: none</div>
Dear Strongbad, 
Do you have a secret Identity? cause you know that 
would be the kinda rockin' cool thing you'd have. 
Chris 
Laramie, Wy 
</blockquote>

''{Strong Bad sings "Wy" as "why" in a soft high-pitched voice.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Chris, let me be frank. The term "rockin' cool" is so uncool it makes my face hurt.

''{clears screen}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Okay, now all the "rockin' cool"s are off the screen.

''{He shrieks as he realizes what he's typed, and clears the screen again.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' They're gone. Those things are vicious. Anyway Frank, I believe your question was about my secret identity. Well, let me ask you this: have you ever seen The Poopsmith and I in the same place at the same time?

''{Cut to a wide shot of the computer room. The Poopsmith is standing behind Strong Bad and to his right.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Dun dun DUUUNH! That's right! It is I who dons the crappy orange gloves and shovels—

''{The Poopsmith jabs Strong Bad a couple of times with his shovel. Strong Bad stops typing and turns to face him.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' What the?! What are you ''doing'' here? ''{shakes his fist a little as he talks}'' You ruined my scam, man! I was gonna have all of everyone believing that I was you and that the teeming pile of whatsit was really a smoldering pile of money covered in whatsit. How'd you get in here anyways?

''{Homestar Runner approaches from the left side of the computer, holding a hamburger.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' I let him in. ''{to The Poopsmith}'' Here you go. ''{hands him the hamburger}'' Oh, ''{turns to Strong Bad}'' and you're out of mayo.

''{Homestar and The Poopsmith exit toward the left. Strong Bad turns and addresses the camera.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Is there like a sign on my door that says ''{makes a sweeping gesture}'' "Wanted: Everyone I hate. Inquire within"?

''{The King of Town approaches from the right side of the computer.}''

'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' I didn't see one.

''{Strong Bad utters some frustrated gibberish and turns back to the computer.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{resumes typing}'' So apparently I'm not The Poopsmith. But I got lots of secret identities. Lately, I've been using this one: Tip Tappers: Expensive Briefcase Carrier. I use Mr. Tappers when I'm on tour and I want to check into a hotel and not be bothered by legions of fans.

''{Cut to Bubs' Concession Stand, now labled Bubs' Motor Lodge, at night. On the sign is a neon caricature of Bubs' head with three neon Z's next to it, each of which light up in cascading fashon. Bubs is wearing a nametag and Strong Bad has with him a briefcase. A sign-in book is on the counter.}''

'''BUBS:''' And what name will this room be under?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Uh, Tip Tappers, please. Unless some girl asks what room Strong Bad's in. And she's at least a seven out of ten. Or uh ''{thinks}'' six if she's naked.

'''BUBS:''' That'll be nine hundred dollars Mr. ''{clears his throat loudly}'' Tappers.

''{Homestar emerges from behind the building, carrying an empty ice bucket, face covered with cinnamon and dressed in a robe, a gold shirt, and pink bunny slippers.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Is there an ice machine around here?

'''BUBS:''' Certainly, Mr. Dee Williams.

''{Cut back to the Lappy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' And then there's Vance Mudgeman. I use that identity when I drop in on my secret second family over in Broiter Grove. Ahh, those kids love Daddy Mudgeman.

''{Cut to the trailer home. Strong Bad is sitting in a green armchair watching TV. He is wearing a grease-stained A-shirt and has a couple of days' growth of beard stubble on his face. Kids' laughter can be heard in the background.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{to someone off screen}'' You get back here with that remote, Jeffrey Beffrey Mudgeman. I'm not afraid to smack— ''{holds up his glove menacingly}''

''{Cut abruptly back to the Lappy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Yes, well, you gotta be firm. ''{clears his throat}'' And then of course there's the secret identity I use to write my advice column for a popular women's magazine.

''{An issue of ''Scarfgirl'' appears from the bottom of the screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Using the pseudoname Cara Carabowditbowdit, I'm slowly but surely making the girls of the world cooler for all us dudes.

''{Cut to the journalist's office. Strong Bad sits at an old typewriter, wearing a brown wig with a skull and bone on it.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Dear Buttless in Bedstuy, Sounds like YOU need to play more video games, galpal. And not those girly ones where you pretend to be a dog or a frog neither. I'm talkin' about the explodey ones. The kind that make you dizzy when you play 'em. Then maybe your guy will stop talking about his ex. Eat a Steak, Cara Carabowditbowdit. ''{He finishes by typing "XOXOXO".}''

''{Cut to Marzipan's house. Marzipan and Homestar are sitting together on her couch, and Marzipan is reading ''[[Scarfgirl]]''.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{angrily}'' This lady doesn't know what she's talking about. And I don't like her pseudoname.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Aw, you're probably just jealous 'cause she gets all the hot boys.

''{A crumpled ball of paper flies in from off screen and hits Homestar in the face.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Marzipan, mail's here.

''{He reaches down and picks it up.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' What's it say?

''{Homestar uncrumples it and reads the following. Strong Bad has scribbled over his own name.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' No I don't. Strong Bad. I mean, Cara Carabowditbowdit.

'''MARZIPAN:''' See, I told you.

''{Cut back to the Lappy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' So you see? Secret identities aren't just for superheroes and Garth Brooks anymore. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have several butts to jettison from my home.

''{He gets up and goes off to the left.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{grunts from off screen as he throws Homestar}''

''{Homestar flies across the screen and lands with a thud.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Thanks for having me overrrrr!

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{grunts from off screen as he throws the King.}''

''{The King, too, flies across the screen and lands with a thud.}''

'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' Worst mayonnaise party everrrr!

''{The Poopsmith walks across while being prodded all the while by Strong Bad using a fondue fork.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Get out. Get out. Get out. Get out. Get out. Get out. Get out. Get out. Get out. Get out. Get out. Get out.

''{[[The Paper]] comes down.}''

==Easter Eggs==
*After Strong Bad says "Laramie.....Why?", click on the phrase to get a book of the same name, written by [[Beverly Sportsinterviews|Beverly]] and [[Leomard Sportsinterviews|Lem Sportsinterviews]].
*After Strong Bad types "So apparently I'm not The Poopsmith," click on "The Poopsmith" to see a [[:Image:Sb and poopsmith.PNG|picture]] that is a cross between The Poopsmith and Strong Bad, with Strong Bad's head and feet, The Poopsmith's mouth and body, and a mix of Strong Bad and The Poopsmith's gloves.
*While Strong Bad is checking in to Bubs' Motor Lodge, click on the reservations book to see it up close.
*Click on the Lappy's screen at the end to see a scene with Homestar and Marzipan.
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Maybe I should get me one of them pseudonames.
:'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{leaning in from the side of the screen, freaked out as though on [[caffeine]]}'' It's -nym! It's -nym! It's pseudo''nym''! Not pseudo''name''! I can't take it any more! Nym nym nym! It's a Greek word for "name"! Pseudonym! Pseudonym! ''{leans back out}''

==Fun Facts==
{{checkstuffpage}}
===Explanations===
*Bedstuy is short for [[Wikipedia:Bedford-Stuyvesant|Bedford-Stuyvesant]], a neighborhood in the New York City borough of Brooklyn.
*A [[Wikipedia:Daemon (computer software)|daemon]], sometimes called a service, is a background process that serves an important function in a computer system. Common uses for daemons include such things as sending email or running [[Wikipedia:Web server|web]] and [[Wikipedia:File Transfer Protocol|FTP]] servers.
**The word "daemon" can be correctly pronounced "DEE-mon" (just like "demon"), or "DAY-mon", similar to how Strong Bad pronounces it in this e-mail.
*"Pseudoname" is a common misspelling of "[[Wikipedia:pseudonym|pseudonym]]," a fictitious name used as an alternative to one's legal name.
*A cowboy is featured on the cover of "Laramie... Why?" because [[Wikipedia:Laramie, Wyoming|Laramie]] is a popular setting for [[Wikipedia:westerns|westerns]].

===Trivia===
*This is the first time The Poopsmith has been explicitly named with the [[Definite Article|definite article]].
*Bubs' marquee reads:
<pre>BUBS' MOTOR
LODGE
(in small lettering:)
FORMERLY BUBSO'S CONCES5ION STAND</pre>
*Bubs' nametag reads:
<pre>My Name
BUBS</pre>
*Homestar's shirt reads:
<pre>I ♥
TOXIC
WASTE</pre>
*The Easter egg with Strong Sad was added several hours after the initial release of the toon.

===Bubs' Motor Lodge Registry===
====Trivia====
*Bubs' Motor Lodge Registry reads:
<pre>
one double - mr. allan poe
PAID! queen suite - ms. cousteau
one king - mr. boyardee PAID!
PAID! smelly cot - mr. five freddy
posh suite - mr. chamberlain DISCO TAPE!
COMPED! one racecar bed - mr. dee williams
one grill - mr. tesmacher PAID TWICE!
PENCIL SHAVINGS!
</pre>

====Identities of the People in Bubs' Sign-in Book====
{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! Pseudonym !! Type of Room Requested !! Payment Status !! Suspected Identity !! Clues
|-
|mr. allan poe || one double || PAID! || Strong Sad || His love of poetry and similarly dark demeanor. Posted avatar of poet in his [[Strong_Sad%27s_Lament#Avatars|weblog]]. The double bed refers to his large size.
|-
|mr. boyardee || one king || PAID! || The King of Town || A food-related name, requesting a "king"-sized bed.
|-
|mr. chamberlain || posh suite || COMPED! || [[Pom Pom]] || His [[different town]] self was an ABA basketball, and Wilt Chamberlain was a basketball player who went on to coach in the ABA. Both are known for being popular with women.
|-
|mr. tesmacher || one grill || PENCIL SHAVINGS! || [[The Cheat]] || Has a similar lot in life as the pseudonym's origin ''(see [[secret_identity#References|References]] below)''. Lives in a grill, and believes that pencil shavings are [[lackey|legal tender]]. "Tesmacher" is an [[Wikipedia:Anagram|anagram]] of "Mesr. Cheat".
|-
|ms. cousteau || queen suite || PAID! || Marzipan || She's the only girl, she requested a queen suite and she takes the name of a famous environmentalist.
|-
|mr. five freddy || smelly cot || DISCO TAPE! || [[Coach Z]] || Picked a hip-hop star's name, once [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 9.2|asked]] Marzipan for a disco tape and has questionable hygiene.
|-
|mr. dee williams || one racecar bed || PAID TWICE!! || Homestar Runner || Aside from being explicitly stated in the toon, Homestar once [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 10.2|bought]] a racecar bed and this wouldn't be the first time he's [[Best/Worst_X_bucks_I_ever_spent|overpaid]] for something.
|}

====References ====
*"mr. dee williams" refers to [[Wikipedia:Billy Dee Williams|Billy Dee Williams]], who played [[Wikipedia:Lando Calrissian|Lando Calrissian]] in the original ''[[Wikipedia:Star Wars|Star Wars]]'' films.
*"mr. allan poe" refers to 19th century poet [[Wikipedia:Edgar Allan Poe|Edgar Allan Poe]].
*"mr. boyardee" refers to [[Wikipedia:Chef Boyardee|Chef Boyardee]], who is famous for his line of pre-cooked, ready to re-heat Italian foods.
*"mr. chamberlain" most likely refers to basketball star [[Wikipedia:Wilt Chamberlain|Wilt Chamberlain]], drummer [[Wikipedia:Jimmy Chamberlain|Jimmy Chamberlain]], or former Prime Minister of the United Kingdom from 1937-1940 [[Wikipedia:Neville Chamberlain|Neville Chamberlain]].
*"mr. tesmacher" is a reference to Lex Luthor's secretary, Eve Teschmacher, in the 1978 [[Wikipedia:Superman: The Movie|Superman: The Movie]].
*"mr. five freddy" refers to [[Wikipedia:Fab Five Freddy|Fab Five Freddy]], the first hip-hop VJ by hosting the [[Wikipedia:MTV|MTV]] music video show entitled "Yo! MTV Raps".
*"ms. cousteau" most likely refers to either [[Wikipedia:Jacques Cousteau|Jacques Cousteau]] (a famous French oceanographer) or to his widow [[Wikipedia:Francine_Cousteau|Francine Cousteau]].

===Remarks===
*The sound when the Poopsmith is poking Strong Bad with his shovel and when Strong Bad is poking the Poopsmith to make him leave is the "Drip" error sound from the old [[Wikipedia:Mac OS|Mac OS]].
*Strong Bad and The Poopsmith have actually appeared together several times in the past, most notably in [[big white face]], [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]], and at the end of most [[Holiday Toons]].
*If he is to be believed, then Strong Bad is apparently the only of the main characters to have offspring, his second family as Vance Mudgeman. Before him, the character closest to having any kids was The King of Town who was originally going to be Marzipan's father, and Coach Z remarking he was a mother in [[garage sale]].
*Unless the email is not in chronological order, Homestar already has a pseudonym ("Mr. Dee Williams") when he talks about getting one in the Easter egg.
*If the Mudgeman trailer is the trailer in the email portrait, then they have apparently redesigned since then. In portrait, there was a portrait of Strong Bad to the left of the "Born to be Danged" poster, and the Moose lamp at the right was originally on the left, and broken.

===Goofs===
*When the email was first released, the name in Bubs' register that reads "mr. allan poe" was incorrectly spelled as "mr. allen poe," a common misspelling of the name of American author Edgar Allan Poe. This was corrected later in the day.

===Inside References===
*The book title "Laramie, Why?" is a reference to the similar title "Eww, Claire!! Why???" from [[origins]], which was also written by Beverly Sportsinterviews.
*The room in which Vance Mudgeman is sitting (with the moose lamp and "Born to be Danged" poster) is in a double-wide trailer, first seen in the email [[portrait]]. The moose lamp is probably a reference to Homestar's "moose lamp" in the same email.
*"BUBSO'S CONCE5SION STAND" is a reference to [[geddup noise]].
*Strong Bad prods the Poopsmith with a fondue fork to encourage him to leave. Homestar has borrowed [[Strong Bad's Fondue Pot|Strong Bad's fondue set]] at least twice.
*Bubs' name tag is a reference to [[Puppets on the Road]], where Shark-Tooth Bubs says "My name Shark-Tooth Bubs."
*Homestar's housecoat and stubble were introduced in [[caper]].
*Strong Bad mentions that his secret family lives in Broiter Grove, a town also found on the back of the discontinued [[Limozeen]] concert T-shirt.
*''[[Whaddaya Know, Haddi-Man?]]'' is playing on the TV in the Mudgeman home.

===Real-World References===
*The mention of Garth Brooks is a reference to his 1999 rock & roll alter-ego, [[Wikipedia:Chris Gaines|Chris Gaines]].
*"Strongbad_email.wad" and "Initiate sbemail-refresh daemon" are both homages to the PC game, ''[[Wikipedia:Doom|Doom]]''.
**[[Wikipedia:Doom WAD|WAD files]] contain level, graphical, and sound files for the game.
**"Initiate sbemail-refresh daemon," is similar to a line of text first seen in ''Doom'' and ''[[Wikipedia:Doom II|Doom II]]'', which reads "Init DOOM refresh daemon."
*Homestar's ''[http://www.founditemclothing.com/t-shirts/toxic.html I ♥ Toxic Waste]'' shirt is a reference to the movie [[Wikipedia:Real_Genius|Real Genius]].
*The disk show on the case in this email says "Sam & Max", referring to the LucasArts adventure game [[Wikipedia:Sam & Max Hit the Road|Sam & Max Hit the Road]].


==External Links==
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== Congrats ==

Congratulations on that check and letter fom Matt Chapman. Just one question; how much money did they donate again? They are awful generous :) {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 18:03, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

:The check said $250, I think. Congrats, Joey. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:08, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

::I can't take the credit for this. The honor goes to all of you who have made the Wiki what it is. The worst part about all this is I can't share this with any of you guys. I wish you could all hold this letter in your hands and feel how nervous and shaky I felt when I opened it. Our community deserves this collectively more than I do individually. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:35, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

:::Joey, I must say this: any group or organization is generally a reflection of its leadership. If our people know how to operate this wiki smoothly and do so professionally, it is because they have had a fine example to follow. Just a thought. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:52, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
::Hey, can you post all the sketches he sent you? I'm eager to see them... - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 22:02, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

:::He sent sketches? Awesome. That should be a great sight. {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

::::The sketches will all be posted this evening, as soon as I can get them scanned in using my parents' color flatbed scanner. Patience. :) — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 23:22, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::Okay. I'm waiting. So, your pretty lucky your actually getting involved with TBC. I mean, think about it if TBC never knew about this Wiki. It would make it alot less official. {{User:H*R 700/sig}} 23:26, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::In the meantime, you can feel free to indulge in this one that Joey posted. [http://static.flickr.com/27/64531304_ed342d2ba6.jpg] — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:45, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::I feel this could use all use a Wiki page somewhere. The letter being the focus, along with meantioning the compound eyes thing, and I think there's another instance on the new DVD or something. In any case, it does include 5 never before or anywhere else seen sketch pages, which deserves Wikifying in itself. (Just out of curiosity, are you planning to frame the sketches all nice and happy like? I sure would) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 08:42, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::: Well, I tried adding the letter to Matt Chapman's page, but it got reverted because JoeyDay might not want to make a big deal out of it. I would definitely like a page of times the HRWiki was referenced by TBC and their friends, and this letter deserves to be on a page. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 12:30, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::A page just for the wiki would be selfish. How about a page referencing all fan acknowledgements from TBC? BHZ, signing on a fan forum... All the stuff. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 14:57, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah, that sounds good. And I don't know what I would do if I got a letter from either of the Chapos. But yes, E.L's got it right. All fan acknowledgements, not just the HRWiki.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 15:07, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::Did TBC ever really reference other fansites besides this one? And by fansites, I mean actual H*R fansites, not stuff like Tacoman. But whatever. Either page works for me. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 16:46, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::::Uh, would it be a good thing if they did? Wait, did they say anything about the HRFWiki? {{User:H*R 700/sig}} 17:43, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::::No, I don't believe that they have mentioned the Fanstuff wiki. Probably because this wiki is more is more of an encyclopedia than a fan site, and their only mention was that they saw their own error by saying ''segmented eyes'' in [[animal]]. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 20:20, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::In answer to Joshua, yes, they have; see [[Matt Chapman#Misc.]]. I think such a page would be nice; I agree that it shouldn't be "made a big deal," but I don't see why it has to be a secret. And it would be egalitarian to extend it to other fansites. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 22:43, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

===How Should It Be Called?===
Well, I like the idea of this page. What would it be called? "H*R Fansite Acknowledgements by TBC"? - {{User:Joshua/sig}}
:Man! I always wanted to say this: ''Too long clanky too long!'' (I think). --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:02, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
::[[Stinkoman 20X6 Walkthrough Level 1|Actually]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters|we]] [[Interviews and Public Appearances|have]] [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon|lots]] [[How Do You Type With Boxing Gloves On?|of]] [[The House That Gave Sucky Treats Costumes|lengthly]] [[Homestar Runner and Strong Bad Screensaver|names]], [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 10.2|when]] [[The Cheat's Head Exploding|appropiate]]. We just need a title the explains the page. I think my suggestion is good enough, but I'd like to hear more. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:37, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Well, actually, I was thinking that ''Homestar Runner Fansite Acknowledgements by The Brothers Chaps'' would be a bit of a record setting page title, compared to ''Homestar Runner and Strong Bad Screensaver'' which is the longest link from the impressively detailed list! But alas! I can't come up with anything better (other than ''The Brothers Chaps Fansite Acknowledgements''), and I like record-setting! ;) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 02:56, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
::Size comparison:
*''Homestar Runner and Strong Bad Screensaver''
*''H*R Fansite Acknowledgements by TBC'' (my suggestion)
*''H*R Fansite Acknowledgements by The Brothers Chaps'' (another suggestion by me)
*''The Brothers Chaps Fansite Acknowledgements''
*''Homestar Runner Fansite Acknowledgements by The Brothers Chaps'' (''is'' too long O_o)
:: - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 03:11, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Do I see the start of a new vote? I sure do! '''The Brothers Chaps Fansite Acknowledgements''' is short enough not to be too long, but have all the information a title needs. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 04:43, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

:'''Second'd!''' I'm liking it, Coolio. I also like your remark about it being "short enough not to be too long"; that sums it up pretty well. But, if we accept it, we need to correct the punctuation to '''The Brothers Chaps' Fansite Acknowledgements'''. [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 04:48, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

:I'm getting the feeling that when you say ''Fansite Acknowledgements'' you mean every fansite '''ever'''. We can't handle that. Now, if I misenterpreted, and you meant ''HRWiki Acknowledgements'', then I recommend '''The Brothers Chaps HRWiki Acknowledgements'''. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 05:12, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

::Yes. Every fansite. Ours will have the biggest section, but we count every fansite. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 05:01, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

:Heimstern is right '''The Brothers Chaps' Fansite Acknowledgements''' would be the correct title, the other can still redirect. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:20, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
::I can't resist pointing out the irony that Stux, in pointing out the correctness of my punctuation, left out a period or semicolon, producing a run-on sentence. :-) Nothing personal, just me being a loyal stickler (a la [[Wikipedia:Lynne Truss|Lynne Truss]]). [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 05:27, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

:::Great, this page is gonna look good. Don't forget to add: DVD Commentary meantions on SB4, and EE1, as well as The Chapos or Jonathan reccomending Bobby blackwolf send his interview over to us for wikifying. Then there's the obvious letter, burning horizons on Videlectrix, and I think that's pretty much it for now. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 10:07, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

::Actually, I left out '''two''' periods or semicolons, as I have actually run together 3 sentences! (I just realized that.) ;) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:49, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Page made. [[The Brothers Chaps' Fansite Acknowledgements]]. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:17, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

== Fanstuff Wiki IRC Channel ==
Hi, Joey. I'd like you to know that you're not banned from my #fanstuff channel, and in fact you have level 20 access, which you have had for a while (did you know that?)

Anyway, I'd like you to reconsider #hrwiki-fanstuff or work something out with me. PM me on the forums. --[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]]

:Yes, I'm aware that you've unbanned me and given me level 20 access in [irc://irc.freenode.net/fanstuff #fanstuff]. I appreciate that, but it doesn't change things.

:Freenode [http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#primarychannels describes in it's official policy] how projects should name their channels. They specifically outline that once we've registered a name, we have control over any channel that starts with that name and a hyphen, as I've done in the case of [irc://irc.freenode.net/hrwiki-fanstuff #hrwiki-fanstuff]. This is the recommended way of doing things, and you see it over and over again on Freenode in places like [irc://irc.freenode.net/drupal #drupal] and [irc://irc.freenode.net/drupal-support #drupal-support] or [irc://irc.freenode.net/wordpress #wordpress], [irc://irc.freenode.net/wordpress-docs #wordpress-docs], [irc://irc.freenode.net/wordpress-bugs #wordpress-bugs] and [irc://irc.freenode.net/wordpress-meetup #wordpress-meetup] or [irc://irc.freenode.net/wikipedia #wikipedia] and [irc://irc.freenode.net/wikipedia-tech #wikipedia-tech]. I'm confident that the way I've named the official fanstuff channel is the most appropriate way to do things.

:Here's the bottom line: I don't have anything against your fanstuff channel, but the only way I would ever consider attaching it officially to the Wiki is if I and the other admins had full control over it. In other words, you would need to give up control over the channel entirely. I don't have anything against you personally, Homsar999; please understand that clearly. I just want to make sure we have full control over anything we deem to be official. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 22:42, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

== What Just Happened? ==

Why did tis entire wiki get replaced with the contents of the HRFWiki? {{User:H*R 700/sig}} 20:11, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
:I noticed that too. It scared me. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 20:13, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
::According to Elcool in the IRC channel, Tom made a mistake that happened to coincide with the latest NSMC attack in the Fanstuff wiki, so we had a combination of a database glitch and a trollbot attack blowing the whole wiki to heck for a while. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 20:32, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Actually, I said that. But I'll let it slide this time. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 06:28, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

==Ledger Question==

Is that $19.37 in American or Canadian? Because the original $20.73, after minus $0.30 and 2.9% would translates into around $19.37 Canadian, wouldn't it? In which case, wouldn't the ledger be skewed if some totals were in Canadian, and others in American dollars? My calculations could be wrong, but I just thought I'd ask in case it got mixed up, to nip any miscalculations in the bud. I don't think the Canadian dollar's THAT strong, around 80 cents on the dollar as best I can remember. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:18, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

:Heh... You're right. I pulled the wrong figure from my PayPal details. I'm fixing it now. Thanks for the heads-up, Thunderbird. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 15:48, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

==Chat Channel Woes==

"Connecting...
Unable to connect : java.security.AccessControlException : access denied (java.net.SocketPermission irc.freenode.net resolve)"

I tried signing in as ThunderbirdL17 and ThunderbirdL19, neither worked. That's the first time it's happened, is it just some freak, one time glitch, or has my ability to log in to the chat channel been comprimised somehow? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 00:57, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

:Are you using [http://chat.hrwiki.org chat.hrwiki.org]? I upgraded it this morning to a new version of PJIRC. It was working for everyone who tested it earlier. I hope it's not permanently broken for some people. Try clearing your temp internet files and signing in again. I'm not sure what could've gone wrong. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 02:04, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

:Okay, I researched this a little further, and, yes, it could be due to you having the old version of the applet cached, so follow my previous advice. Some other possibilities:

:#You might be behind a firewall; make sure you're not or that it isn't interfering
:#You might've clicked "no" to the security warning that popped up; click "yes" instead :)
:#I might have to change some security settings on the server; I'm looking into this and will keep you posted

:Let me know if it works any better. Thanks. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 04:29, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

::Yea, I clicked "No" to the security popup, that was it. I was also in a couple of other web-windows, and I guess I thought it came from there. I'm always leery to click "Yes" to an unexpected popup window. Then when I tried again, it didn't come back. I let it chill for a while though, and now it gave me another chance. All in all, it works fine now. Thanks! {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:48, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

== More Chat Channel Woes ==
I've found one tiny drawback to using ChatZilla in the sidebar: If you use "/quit", it closes ''all'' your open tabs, in sidebar or not. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

:An unfortunate side-effect, to be sure. Doesn't simply closing the sidebar work? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 02:17, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

::Yes, but you can't write a cross-channel quit message. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

== CC by-nc-sa ==

''I always hate leaving two headers in a row, but...'' 
I was wondering if the chat channel is under the same CCL as the main wiki. On a related note, we're still using the old version of the liscense. Creative Commons seems to be wanting to phase that one out. [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/ (link to the new one)] - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
==Copyright==
<s>Sorry to bother you but would you mind looking at [[HRWiki_talk:FAQ#Copyright]] and giving some input. [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] 04:04, 29 November 2005 (UTC)</s> scratch that, it has been settled ([[User:Tom]] came by and answered the question). [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] 04:10, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

== Extension for the Fanstuff ==
Just thought we should get your input on [http://s13.invisionfree.com/Fanstuff/index.php?showtopic=352 this]. -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 08:00, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

:Thanks, but we are not interested in adding that extension.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:58, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

What if enough other people are interested in it? -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 11:37, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

:They can feel free to install it for MediaWiki installations on servers that they administrate.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:19, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Hey, Super Sam, why don't you ask Homsar about it and his WUW? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 13:18, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

:I don't really have any interest in the WUW, and anyway, [http://s13.invisionfree.com/Fanstuff/index.php?showtopic=356 I think this topic speaks for itself]. Anyway, are you sure there's no option in getting the extension installed? -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 13:41, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
::Firstly, they aren't admins on the Fanstuff Wiki Forum, so they won't be able to view that page. Secondly, when the admins make a choice like this, it's best you leave them alone, because you won't be changing their minds. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}

==Old Sig==

I seem to recall you sic-ing Grapenuts on your old sig some time ago, with the mission to "fix really old versions of JoeyDay's sig" or something. So I'm curious, did you want all old versions of your sig updated to template format? I just happened to stumble across [[HRWiki talk:Introduction 2|this]] today, and I wasn't sure whether to update it, or leave it for posterity. Or maybe a little prosperity... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:52, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, I did want those replaced. Thanks for the heads-up, TBird. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:31, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

== email ==

Hey Joey,
I sent you an email from your .org website last week and I never heard back from you. Did you receive it? {{User:Invisible Robot Fish/sig}} 17:52, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

:Yes, I did get your email. Sorry I never responded. I remember wanting to reply to your email, but I didn't do it right then and there and I'm bad at coming back to things later. I am interested in the material you mentioned. I'll reply to your email so you have my address and can make the attachment. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:43, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
::Cool, I found the hard copy at home but I am still trying to find where I have it on computer (either on one of a few computers or out there is cyberworld). {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 21:58, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

== CSS code ==
Hey, Joey! Thanks for the css correction. Sorry I didn't reply earlier, but I haven't logged on in forever. ^_^ --[[User:James|JamesGecko]] 19:27, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

:You're welcome. Glad to see you around here. Feel free to take off your coat and stay a while. :) — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 19:37, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

== TriviaTime ==

Just curious, did you purposefully leave out all the question marks on the page for the trivia bot?
If you want ?'s, I'd be glad to make a project out of adding them all. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 21:55, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, I purposefully left them out. The bot adds the question marks itself as it calls up the questions. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 22:35, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

==could you help?==
my sig. wont work look

--{{User:djm1791/sig2}} 10:22, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
could you help

:[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:djm1791/sig2&curid=15717&diff=209556&oldid=209555&rcid=153875 It's been fixed]. :) {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 10:37, 2 December 2005 (UTC)

== Help ==

How do I get rid of that annoying "You have new messages" message? --[[User:Sam Goldfish|Sam Goldfish]] 20:01, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
: It normally goes away once you open your Talk page once, assuming you don't get another new message. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:03, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
::Did that; it's still there. --[[User:Sam Goldfish|Sam Goldfish]] 20:06, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
:::It's a [http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3805 bug] in the new version. As a workaround, unwatch your talk page. (You'll need to do this even if it is you who edits it.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:09, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
::::Yea, mine has the same bug. Everytime you get a new message, it automatically starts watching your talk page. You've gotta unwatch it every single time your page is edited. It's annoying, but there's not much you can do for now. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:22, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::Hey, Dot Com, TBird, do any of you have a list of users that have encountered said problem? (Does that include you Dot Com?) Since neither me nor Jay encountered the problem, and both TBird and Sam have spaces in theirs, I'm starting to suspect that it's having spaces in the username that is triggering the bug. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:40, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::I can help by saying that I have ''not'' encountered the bug. And look, ma: no spaces. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::I think you may be on to something, Stux. I too have never had this problem. (And I too have no spaces in my username.) {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 23:13, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::No space, no problem for me. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::::We're not getting far this way. has anyone with a space not had this problem or anyone without a space had it? That would clear up the speculation. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 23:28, 2 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::Heh. Joey's right. Actually, what I had more in mind was to find the links to previous discussions regarding this topic just to see what usernames have encountered the problem thus far. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 07:02, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::::Try searching Dot com's talk page... I bet you'll find a few there. People know this: "When in doubt, tell It's dot com." I know I do. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::::::::::But I bet he prefers "When in doubt, go to [[HRWiki:FAQ]]." {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 07:13, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Or, in this case, [[HRWiki talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.5]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 07:15, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Ooo! and I found [[HRWiki_talk:FAQ/4#messages|this one]] and [[HRWiki_talk:Upgrade_to_MediaWiki_1.5#.22New_messages.22|this one]]! Both originating from spacedd users. Thanks! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 07:20, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Add me to the list of people with the bug. Oh look, a space ;) {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 11:58, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Me too. And surprise, suprise - {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 12:03, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Thanks guys for your help! We are pretty much 100% certain that this is the cause of the bug. All that's left is to examine the MediaWiki source code and see if we can find the culprit instruction. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 15:49, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::Update: The cause has been isolated and the errant code fixed. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:43, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::Thanks guys, you rock! {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:15, 13 December 2005 (UTC)

==thank you 'ward==
:For creating the 2nd best website ever; (next to homestarrunner.com), I present to you '''the thank you award.'''
::Thanks for creating such an awesome community!
[[Image:Thankyouposter.PNG|thumb|The thank you award given to '''Joey Day''']]
{{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:31, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

== Alright Dude ==

I'm having come problems with a wiki I'm an admin at, now I just have two questions, can an admin make himself a developer, and does the person who made the wiki have to pay for bandwith? {{User:Bassium!/sig}}

:A sysop or bureaucrat can not make himself a developer. Only other developers can. The founder of the wiki is expected to pay the vast majority of the costs, if not all of them. An alternative is giving the wiki to a wiki hosting service, such as Wikicities. These providers pay the cost of the wiki and host it on their own severs, but the founder, in turn, would have to assume control to Wikicities and become a bureaucrat alone. I hope that answers your question. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 22:42, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

== Re:Copyrights ==

Sory for taking so long to respond. I would say that if [[:Image:A history.PNG]] was removed from [[HRWiki:A History]] then of course the picture should also be deleted. I base my understanding of fair use law mainly on [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Fair use criteria]] where it says iamges "must not serve a purely decorative purpose" which is what that picture was doing. Also, any images which aren't linked to an article can't be under fair use need to be deleted because they aren't being used to illustrate anything. I understand you have different (more liberal) policies here and thus I will stop bothering you about this. I certainly hope you're right about this. Cheers! [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] 03:58, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

== R-L Quotes ==

The curly quotes don't look bad at all! But all that typing... would a [[Template:quote|quote template]] useful, or too much? {{quote|Kinda like this?}} --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:17, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

:What if it was just <code><nowiki>{{q|Whatever you want to quote}}</nowiki></code>? I dunno, it would be convenient, but it would kinda be a waste of processor having it include that every time you just want to quote something. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:21, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

::C'mon guys, let's keep this as user-friendly and unconfusing as possible. Aside from personal preference, there's nothing wrong with straight quotes, and it only requires Shift plus one key. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:30, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
:Yeah... straight quotes are nice and simple... - {{User:Joshua/sig}}
::'''Edit conflict:''' Agreed. Unless this is something that a bot could do. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 17:42, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
:If we use a template like the one JoeyDay suggested, I don't think it's an issue about if a bot could do it or not, or how hard it would be to insert, but rather how difficult it would be for newbies to learn it. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 17:48, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

:::Guys, really, let's keep this simple. The template is overkill. The best solution would be a MediaWiki extension that could take straight quotes (double primes) from wiki code and turn them into curly quotes automagically. There are already good engines available for blog platforms (like [http://daringfireball.net/projects/smartypants/ SmartyPants]); they just need to be ported so they plug into MediaWiki. I'm surprised nobody's done this yet. I would do it myself if I felt I had the expertise. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:53, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

:::I just realized that since we're using UTF-8 we can enter curly quote characters directly into wiki code. You can copy them from your Windows character map program or enter them using the following keystrokes:

:::*Left single quote: Alt+2015
:::*Right single quote: Alt+2016
:::*Left double quote: Alt+0147
:::*Right double quote: Alt+0148

:::I'm not sure I recommend doing this in most articles yet. We may still find a way to automate this. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:08, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

::::You call that simple? That's five keystrokes per symbol. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:30, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::The quote template can be moved to <code><nowiki>{{q|Whatever you want to quote}}</nowiki></code> if need be. As for sever load it's pretty much the same kind of load we put on our talk pages when we fill em up with sigs. Page caching usually does a good job at not putting too much load on the pages (well templates ''are'' complicated). An extension would be the most convenient way to implement this for users, however. It does have its limitations (like '' 'Twas the night before Christmas. '' as presented in the ''Algorithmic Shortcomings'' section of the [http://daringfireball.net/projects/smartypants/ site] listed above, also, depending on the robustness of the software, its possible that if there are quotes that are not closed, it will mess up all the other quotes, but then again that would be a good way to bug check! ) ...and the code would have to be ported to Mediawiki, right? Memorizing the numbers or the HTML codes is a bit much to ask for from most users. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:08, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

::::::Please allow me to reiterate something I put on another page: I am a commercial printer. I would ''never'' use straight quotes on printed matter if I could help it. But here on the wiki, straight quotes look ''perfectly fine'' in the font we use. They don't take up too much space, they look good in a table or one after the other, they're easy to type and to read in code, and they don't require any special knowledge to handle. Seriously, I ask you, what is wrong with the status quo? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:33, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::I use normal quotes for my fanstuff links all the time. They look fine. [[HRFWiki:Other Character Email Tampo/inspection#Fun Facts|See?]] - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 19:36, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

:::::::Unless and until we can find a solution to automagically change straight quotes to curly ones, I'm with Dot Com in favor of the status quo. There's absolutely no sense in making users learn the Alt codes or a <code><nowiki>{{q}}</nowiki></code> template. I favor proper typography, but not at the expense of ease of editing. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 21:58, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

::::::::Although, points to Stux for thinking of a template. But, yeah, I think this falls in the "if it ain't broke" category. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:39, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::I'm fine with using straight quotes.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:10, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::Ok i'm gonna continue posting relevant stuff in the [[HRWiki_talk:Manual_of_Style#Italicized_titles.3F|Manual of Style Discussion]]. One last thing, I do like the prettier quotes. I like pretty things. :) If a reasonable extension for automatic curling would be found, that would be the bomb! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 02:11, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::::Don't you mean "da baerm"? :) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
::::::::::::no I think he meant “da baerm” {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:18, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
Aaaand I'm coming in late on this conversation, but actually I ''do'' think the curly quotes look kinda bad onscreen. Maybe that's ''why'' MediaWiki's been using straight quotes! —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 18:45, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
:Whoa! A dissenter! And do you know what we do with dissenters? No? That's too bad! Cuz I don't know either. I think we give em piemonade or something, and maybe a $5 bribe. Actually, I never imagined someone liking the curly ones less than the straight ones. I just took it for granted that these thing just ''looked'' prettier! Hmmm. My mind is boggled. See! There it is again: Beef, Stew. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:46, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
::Well, I didn't want to say anything before, since we were talking about the issue from a technical/ease-of-use standpoint, but I tend to agree with what AbdiViklas just said. That is, I think straight quotes ''here on the wiki in the font we use'' look as good as or better than typographic quotes. (I use such emphasis there because I am a staunch supporter of typographic quotes in extra-wiki applications, and want to make that clear.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:53, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Speaking of templates, I should just make one for me that says, "Wha? Someone say my name? I 'gree with Abdi...", since I do that so much. Bonus points to anyone who can figure out where the quote's from. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::::That's from ''Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix''. Mundungus Fletcher, about Sirius, after being woken after a meeting. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== HRWiki Tour ==
<s>This has been suggested in two other places, but so far has been ignored by anyone in power. So, let's see if someone will listen to the suggestion here.

A few people think that the [[HRWiki:Tour|HRWiki:HRWiki tour]], which currently has no solid page linking to it, should be the third tab in [[HRWiki:Introduction]]. Do you agree? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 16:53, 14 December 2005 (UTC)</s>
Nevermind. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:03, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

== Merry Christmas! ==

Merry Christmas Joey! Have a fun and relaxing holiday. We look forward to a wonderful new year 2006! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:22, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
:Merry Christmas and a Happy Decemberween! See you soon! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:26, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
::Happy holidays from all of me to all of you. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 05:05, 16 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Don't worry. I will '''PERSONALLY''' ''volunteer'' [[User:Tom|Tom]] and [[User:It's dot com|Com]] to fill in for you while you're gone. (I'll be housesitting on and off until January, so I won't be around as much either). {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 17:10, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

== so, what do you do all day? ==

no, i'm not saying that you should do anything beside this. if you didn't, think of where we would be. it's just, my family and others make fun of me and this website. they think half of the stuff on this website is useless garbage. does anyone else think we're wasting our time obsessing about a website? well, see ya. you are the coolest person i know. [[User:Seriously|Seriously]] 23:53, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

== Happy New Year! ==

I know it's a little late, I just wanted to wish you a happy new year, and may you continue looking over us and the great wiki of ours! {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 10:41, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

== Guest Star ==

You may be an almighty bure- thingy, and I might be an office worker, but I will included you, with many other sysops/bure-thing in my email [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/X-Mail.eXe thingy.] I just need ask you one question: Do you want to be a guest star? If not, I will remove all data relating to you in my show. If so... let the emails go on! [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/User:Count_X Count X]

== How did you become an admin. ==

Did one of the admins or mods make you one? Congrats on becoming an admin of the site!!! 13:16, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

:JoeyDay originally founded HRWiki. It was at this point that the MediaWiki software set his rights to ''developer''. Additionally, the term ''mod'' means nothing. The correct term is ''sysop''. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 13:20, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

::What Lapper is sayingm=, JoeyDay is one of the few people who is beyond sysophood - burecraut or something {{User:Count X/sig}}

Talk:Taranchula

ApocalypX — Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:51:02 GMT

ApocalypX: /* Country of Origin */

==Real World Refrences==

Taranchulas style mimicks that of Metallica

PUT ON THE PAGE'D!! {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 17:51, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

== Who are they? ==

I've [[Image_talk:taranchulapeople.png|posed]] a question regarding the identity of the bandmembers, also a similar question has been posed [[:Image:reallarry.PNG|for this image]] and if there are other real-life character pictures around they should also list who they are portrayed by. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:54, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

== Re-directs ==

Does anyone mind if I create re-directs for each of the band members' names? [[User:Beat|Beat]] 02:06, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
:Sure, I durnt mind. Go ahead. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 02:07, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

== Country of Origin ==

One of them sounds German, due to the "Ja." (pronounced ya) {{User:Count X/sig}}

Talk:Taranchula

ApocalypX — Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:50:44 GMT

ApocalypX:

Talk:portrait

ApocalypX — Tue, 17 Jan 2006 04:38:18 GMT

ApocalypX: /* what is that tune? */

== Is It Just My Imagination? ==
Should we add in Trivia that this came out on 12/04 when the site said that it was updated 12/05? Or was it just my imagination that it did that? lol--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 04:39, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:No, I saw that too. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 04:55, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

::I think it fits more in the area of a remark. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 18:59, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

:::The reason it's trivia is that it has to do with circumstances surrounding the toon rather than the toon itself. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:15, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

== Strong Mad's line? ==

I personally hear that Strong Mad would be saying "I'll wait for you", instead of "I went for you", but that might be just me. --[[User:Ramblin' Wreck of Spelling Check|RWoSC]] 04:50, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:Me too. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 04:55, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::I think it's "I WENT FOR YOU!" It fits better in context. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::I distinctly hear "i'll wait for you". Thats what I changed it to. Soryy if I wasnt s'posed to. {{User:Salty/sig}} 05:00, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I hear '''wait'''. But that's on the first hear. I'll check it out next time I watch the toon. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 05:01, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
I heard something else the first time, but the second time I heard "wait", as in, Strong Mad will wait for Strong Bad if he's thrown in jail, or something (it doesn't make a lot of sense either way). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:10, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:Now that I hear it again, I hear "I'd wait for you", not I'll wait fopr you. {{User:Salty/sig}} 05:11, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::I hear "I'll" over "I'd". (But it ''is'' hard to tell.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:14, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I uploaded a slowed-down version. It sounds very much like "I'd wait for you." It makes sense in context. SB: "I'd go to jail." SM: "I'd wait for you." http://www.crapware.com/smwait.mp3
::::Yeah I ''definitely'' hear wait. However, I don't hear a "d" sound, which makes me beleive that it's ''I'll'' rather than ''I'd''. I'm almost certain it's ''I'll''. ''I'll'' makes more sense, since he's saying "ok i'll wait for you when you get back from jail." As if it's definitive that he's going. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 07:06, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I also hear "I'll wait for you." and the line makes lots of sense: this is what wives and girlfriends are supposed to say when their guys get caught red-handed by the police. The joke is two-fold: (1) SM will do this feminine thing for SB; (2) SM misunderstands SB's hypothetical as a definite outcome, hence "I'll" rather than "I'd"[[User:Henebry|Henebry]]

:<s>Actually, I hear "I'll work for you!"</s> {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 16:54, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

::How much do you want to bet the next Quote of the Week will be this exact line? {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 20:56, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:::Fifteen dollars and tooty-two cents. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]

Here we go again: [[Media:Portrait Strongmad.ogg|Listen to him talk!]]
:Even with this new item, I distinctly hear a T sound at the end of the word beginning with W. It's still went in my book. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Well, both the words "Went" and "Wait" have a T sound at the end. :) What I hear, phonetically, is "ALL WET FOR YOU!" - considering Strong Mad's speech style, that's more likely to be "I'LL WAIT FOR YOU" than "I WENT FOR YOU". {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 21:49, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:I just think "I'd" would make more sense, not "I'll". "I'd go to jail", "I'd wait for you". "I'll" would make much less sense, and I definitely hear the D. --{{User:Salty/sig}} 23:58, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
POLL:
If you hear "wait" sign here:
#{{User:Bubsty/sig}}
#{{User:Salty/sig}} 05:11, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
#{{User:Joshua/sig}}
#[[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] [[Image:heimstern101.gif|22px]]
#{{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}}
#{{User:E.L. Cool/sig}}
#--[[User:Stux|Stux]]
#{{User:Jay/sig}}
#{{User:djm1791/sig2}}
#{{User:Bill Martinson/sig}}
#[[User:Henebry|Henebry]]
#--[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]] (sorry Dorian!)
#{{User:KieferSkunk/sig}}
#--[[User:StrongBaditude|StrongBaditude]]
# -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 15:06, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
# - [[User: Kiwi|Kiwi]]
If you hear "went" sign here:
#[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::judging by my quickly-made poll, I think "wait" is the majority. Sorry Dorian. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:15, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

POLL: If you believe the phrase is "I'd wait for you", vote here:
# {{User:Salty/sig}} 03:03, 6 December 2005 (UTC) It's gotta be.
#{{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} This is turning into STUFF rather quickly, ain't it?

If you believe the phrase is "I'll wait for you", vote here:
# -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 15:06, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
# {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}}
#--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:48, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
#{{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 21:12, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Well ... here's another. I thought I just heard SM say "I'd work for you" or "I'll work for you." After all, SB did say he'd *hire* a 5 year old. Ima listen again, though. -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 17:51, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:Nah, I hear a T sound at the end. {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:24, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

I betcha that, when it's put as a QOTW, it'll be something nobody even heard, like at all... --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]

Let's go easy on the polls too, i think it's pretty clear most people hear "wait", and the only other important one left is this one, "I'd" vs "I'll". Everything else is quite audible. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:48, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

== Firebert ==

Do we want Firebert listed in the cast list? I added him before, but was it removede for a reason? Is that even Firebert or just The Cheat in black? {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 04:55, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:Doesn't quite look like Firebert to me. Note the text shirt and the mask. It's a cat burglar The Cheat, not Firebert. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Yep. Another Other Costume. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 04:59, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Definately not firebert. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:08, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::::Yeah I *just* noticed the discussion. I was just re-reverting some changes that apparently got lost in the meelee. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:09, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

== What Place? ==
Should we make a name for that room with the portrait and unicorn thing? I think it might be in homestar's house, with the moose lamp. {{User:Salty/sig}} 05:12, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:Or it could be in a trailer, like SB said. Makes sense, 'cause the place looks "trailer-like." {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:16, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::I think the trailer room may just be imaginary a place made up specifically for this Sbemail and has no real owner. Though I could be wrong, my second guess would be that its Homestar's Den, and my third guess being Strong Bad's Den, with stolen property from Homestar's Den. Either way, it looks like a Den. [[User:Veluet|Veluet]] 15:36, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I don't think it's Homestar's house, and I don't think the voice we hear is the voice of Homestar. I don't think I've ever heard him sound like that. The whole thing appears to be a doublewide trailer of some nobody who has a speech impediment that is slightly reminiscent of Homestar's. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:11, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::::It reminds me of the basement in SB's main page to me, what with the unicorn poster. Anyway, add it as "The Trailer" or whatever to "Places Strong Bad has made up". --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
:::::The voice is a reference to [[caper]], where Homestar, in that voice (because it's early in the morning, and he's groggy), says "thanks for breaking my cow lamp." I can't decide whether it's a trailer or a den. It looks like a trailer, but why would Homestar's mayching lamp be there? --{{User:Salty/sig}} 00:01, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::Hello, gentlemen?! Homestar doesn't ''have'' a moose lamp. This is an imaginary reality, ''if'' Homestar lived in a trailer and had black-velvet and blacklight posters on his wall which he threw beer bottles at. It's a place Strong Bad made up (though I don't think it should actually go in [[Places Strong Bad Made Up]]; it's not... place-like enough for that). —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:38, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::::If he can have a cow lamp, he can have a moose lamp. {{User:Salty/sig}} 02:19, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::Considering the walls looks similar to Strong bads room, and that poster was in there on the main page for his room, isn;t it safe to say it's the same place? Darthvader66 Dec. 9, 2:21 AM
:::::::I don't know, [[Places Strong Bad Made Up]] has several one-timers listed. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:52, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::And, upon checking, it's not his room. The posters were similar, but not the same. And especially the walls: they're very different. Doesn't look very much like it at all. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::::Ok, well I changed one of the inside refrences things to incluse the word similar (seeing as how that's what threw me off). [[User:Darthvader66|Darthvader66]] 06:30, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

== Hyphens or no? ==

I'm seeing a couple different spellings of a new word: "keyswordtar" and "key-sword-tar". Which should we use? I'm all for using compounds rather than hyphens (but that's what you'd expect for a German-speaker). What do y'all think? [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] [[Image:heimstern101.gif|22px]] 06:00, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
: Whichever one we use, we should be consistent, as we are currently not. I like the hyphens myself but don't care enough one way or the other, so long as we're consistent. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:02, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::I originally transcribed it ''with'' the hyphens because he seemed to be inventing a word and emphasizing each syllable in a tmesis similar to "fan-freaking-tastic". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:03, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Well, I'm not sure I hear it that way, but I'm fine with standardizing that way anyway, since both you and Jay seem to like it that way. (Too many clauses that ended in "way"!) [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] [[Image:heimstern101.gif|22px]] 06:14, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
I vote hyphens. {{User:Salty/sig}} 00:03, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::::I way like the hyphens way.     (Yay!) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:39, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
I key-vote-tar for hyphens as well. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:01, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Me too... it isn't really a compound anyway... it's just a word stuck through another word. If it was keyboardswordguitar then I guess. [[User:Qduk|Qduk]] 23:46, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

== Shellbra- Zelda? ==

I was watching the email and heard strong bad refer to "Princess Shellbra" and it made me think about the Legend of Zelda character Princess Zelda, I think you can tell why. I looked on the Wiki page, but it wasn't there. should we add it, or no?

:I don't think so. too broad. and sign your posts--{{User:Benol/sig}} 12:23, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah. It's a little of a stretch. -[[User:Grabboarm700|Grabboarm700]]

:::Definitely not. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

If this is a reference to anything, I'd think it'd be a reference to [[Wikipedia:The Little Mermaid|The Little Mermaid]]. Mermaids wearing shells over their chests is nothing new, but Disney popularized that style in this movie. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:32, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:I don't consider it a reference to anything. {{User:Salty/sig}} 00:04, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Speaking of good ol' Shellbra, did anybody else catch this- Shellbra. Shell Bra. As in, shells for a... well... --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
::I think pretty much everyone noticed that. But it's definately not a Zelda referance. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:18, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

:::Oh, I know that... I'm just saying, is all... I didn't catch it at first, so... yeah... --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
::::Wow. {{User:Salty/sig}} 05:10, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

== Star Wars? ==

I noticed that the picture Strong Bad drew/made at the end has a robot foot. Would this be a reference to Star Wars, or is it a stretch? -[[User:Grabboarm700|Grabboarm700]]

:Big stretch. — [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 16:20, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

::Robot foot? That reminds me of one of the characters from the Sonic the Hedgehog comic series - a partially-roboticized rabbit (forgot her name). That said, big stretch. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 16:57, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::For reference, her name, I believe, was Bunny Rabbot. And it's very much a stretch. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::Ah, right, Bunnie Rabbot (spelled with an -ie, not a -y). Personally, despite the fact that I hated her voice, I really liked that character in the Sat-Am cartoon series (based on the comic). {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:34, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

it's obviously the [['Lectric Boots]]. they look tottaly like it. he would put it there cuase' he thought it was awesome.[[User:Jibney|Jibney]] 02:23, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:Nah, the robot foot he was wearing here was more square-er, and had spikes on it. --{{User:Salty/sig}} 02:26, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
::Strong Bad does seem to have an affinity for Robotic Footwear though, as evidence with the 'Lectric Boots and Stinkoman's Robot Boots. Even 1-up wears Robotic Boots, but that may just be a continuation of style. -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 18:18, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

== Cardboard or wood? ==

The transcript mentions that the cutout in the end is made from cardboard, but when seen from the back, it looks like its made from wooden planks. --[[User:Eytanz|Eytanz]] 14:52, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:Sounds like an inconsistency in the cartoon. [[User:Veluet|Veluet]] 15:39, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::No, the cartoon is fine. It's the wiki transcript that needs fixing. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 16:16, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I went ahead and changed it since no-one seemed to shout out a dissenting opinion. --[[User:Eytanz|Eytanz]] 22:23, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

== More than meets the eye ==

I noticed that the Optimus Prime reference has been removed in favor of a more broad definition (Notably, just Transformers). With all due respect, it IS Optimus' head up there, but did we not want to be that specific? Just a thought. -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}}
:Is that specifically Optimus Prime, though? Are there no other Transformers that have that head? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 17:27, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::As far as I can tell, it is the original Optimus Prime from the old show. The other Autobots had similar, but distinctly different heads, while the Decepticons had slightly more angles and "evil" looks on thier faces. Hasboro may have used the head on other characters action figures since then, and I haven't seen the newer shows enough to guarantee that it is the only Transformer ever to have used that particular head. Anyway, it was just a thought. -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}}
:::Personally, I agree with you on this one, and I went ahead and added it back in (as a more specific example of the general reference). I'm not all that familiar with the Transformers universe, though, and I suspect neither are many of the people who'll read the article. But Optimus Prime was the first character I thought of when I saw that head, so it's probably correct. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 17:47, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::::Cool, cool. Non-depressing, cool. I agree whole-heartedly. The only other thing that came to mind was the original Power Rangers from their Megazord, but after checking for some pictures, it's just not the same. I think Optimus would be proud, to, uh, be attached to a graffitti tank...
::::Thanks for taking the time. Catch you later. -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 17:57, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::Should we just put "most likely Optimus Prime"? Because there is a small chance it could be someone else. Just in case. {{User:Salty/sig}} 00:12, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::This is probably not Optimus Prime, partially because of the lack of antennae on his head, but most importantly because this robot has what appears to be a mouth, and Prime has a faceplate. Perhaps putting "such as Optimus Prime" or "like Optimus Prime" would be more suitable. -[[User:nova81426|Nova81426]]

If that's Optimus Prime, then I'm Bob Hope: it looks absolutely NOTHING like Optimus Prime's head, rather it looks like just a generic Transformer. For the record, I am a huge Transformers fan, and can isolate the following differences:
# Optimus has no visible mouth; he has a faceplate. This Transformer has a mouth.
# Optimus has a large vertical grilled box that dominates his forehead. This Transformer does not.
# Optimus has a pair of antenna-rod things on the sides of his head, where his ears would be. This Transformer does not.

Here's visible proof, even: 
[http://www.seibertron.com/toys/fullsize.php?id=1&size=1&image=86 Optimus Prime toy] 
[http://www.seibertron.com/images/cartoon/01/60/OptimusPrime498-01.jpg Optimus Prime cartoon]

I am 175% positive that is not Optimus Prime, or even intended to be Optimus Prime. Considering how the Brothers Chaps approach everything, if it was supposed to be Optimus, then they would have drawn it to look exactly like him. I'm sure that if you look around, you could isolate a Tranformer that matches it, if not at least a dozen, minimum (hell, I could even ask my brother, who keeps track of that kind of thing much more than I do). Because of that, I would say that it's just supposed to be a generic Transformer.

And no, it doesn't look a thing like Megatron, either. :P --[[User:Spanky The Dolphin|Spanky The Dolphin]] 08:36, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

:Well Mr. Hope, upon reviewing the pictures you provided, the painting looks even more like Optimus to me than it did before. The "mouth" you describe on this painting looks like nothing more than a dent in his faceplate, and not something that would be big enough to even be a mouth. His forehead piece may have been too complex for the Brothers Chaps to include in The Cheat's stencil, and the antenna-rod things you describe are only apparent in the action figure, and that appears to be a little stylized. In the cartoon, they look kind of small and uncool. It is possible TBC based this simple little drawing off only the cartoon, determining the horns took away from the leader of the Autobots. Or maybe the drew it like this to stimulate some debate for them to read and laugh at. Who knows? Anyway, the page doesn't state that it is absoultely Optimus, but maybe we ought to put this in the STUFF Vote section.

:-{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 15:00, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

::Okay, now yay-hoo has changed it to Starscream. Guess what? That's right, it doesn't look a damn thing like Starscream, either. If anyone, I would say that it looks like Hound than like anyone else, but I'm not, because I think it's supposed to be generic.

And Jeff, for the record, Prime's antenna-rod things were often prominant in the cartoon. It's just that a lot of times the cartoon wasn't drawn very well. Here's an example from the movie:

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Prime_dead.jpg The Death of Optimus]

And yes, that little dent is actually big enough to be a mouth. I'm frankly weary about putting it to a vote, simply due to the fact that it seeing the above makes me feel that there aren't very many people on this Wiki that are too familiar with Transformers.--[[User:Spanky The Dolphin|Spanky The Dolphin]] 16:41, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

: How about "reminiscent of Optimus Prime" as a compromise? {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:07, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[[Image:transformers.png|frame|[[portrait]], Optimus Prime, and Starscream]]
Someone keeps adding Starscream to the mix, but it is ''clearly'' not him. I see a vague similarity to Optimus, but the head ''is'' kinda generic. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:17, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah, I suppose that's good enough for me for the time being. --[[User:Spanky The Dolphin|Spanky The Dolphin]] 18:34, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I think the current phrasing ("the head resembles that of Optimus Prime") is good enough, but seeing these pictures side-by-side makes me think the earlier phrasing (where it just states "Transformers" and not a specific character) is the best way to go. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:42, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

:I think that ''(the head resembles that of Optimus Prime)'' has no place in this sentence. It does not resemble Optimus Prime anymore than the other Transformers. Anyone looking at that fact that did not know who Optimus was, would be mislead whereas anyone that know Optimus already know the reference is to the transformers. The stencil does not have anything horizontal to indicate the front mouthplate. If this was in STUFF I'd petition to have it removed for being '''patently false'''. I love Optimus, and he is perhaps the most well-known but the side-by-side comparison is compelling. I move to remove any specific refernce to Optimus. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:13, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::and as for the dent...no. It is and is supposed to be a mouth, let's not stoop to grasping at anything to make our case. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:15, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

::::Well then I'll just go ahead and change it to that, since I agree absolutely.--[[User:Spanky The Dolphin|Spanky The Dolphin]] 19:38, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I had never noticed that little sliver until I zoomed way in. It ''does'' look to me like there might be a nose and a mouth, which I suppose is where the Starscream connection comes from. I still think, however, that it's too generic to say it looks like anybody in particular. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:46, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I looked at a lot of pictures on an image search, and decided that I don't think it's Optimus. If anyone, I'd say Starscream, but not Optimus. Hound, maybe. I'd leave it as is, where it doesn't specify any names. I'd leave off the part about Newgrounds' promotional sticker, though. --{{User:Salty/sig}} 02:37, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
:Odd coincidence... I was looking for images on Optimus Prime and ran across [http://www.homestarrunner.com/weenstuff/weenstuff36.html this]. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:13, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

::Very well, I concede the point. Sorry about causing all the headaches, but at least we got a good discussion out of this. Even with all of the picture evidence, my brain still jumps straight to Optimus when I see that sticker, but I see now that it's my mistake. I shouldn't try to make a fact published material unless I can find people who agree. I see now that I should use the "talk" method for this rather than the "post-it-and-see-what-people-think" method. Thanks for proving me wrong and correcting the site Spanky. I'll never doubt your Transformer knowledge again! -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 18:15, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

:::No need to apologize. :) That's what this is all about. We encourage you to be '''bold''' in your editing, so if you think an article would be improved by saying it looks like Optimus Prime or Starscream or whoever, go ahead and make the change. Just don't be surprised if the majority disagrees - this is by nature a democratic site. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Now that I look at the comparison, the robotank looks a lot like Starscream. {{User:Salty/sig}} 16:10, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
::Yeah, I think it's Starscream too..
:::''Kind'' of, except the middle of the forehead is different, and the stencil is missing the pieces on the sides. Once again, it looks like a ''lot'' of Transformers, and you ''still'' can't tell what Homsar is saying in [[A Folky Tale]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:36, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I dont think its any specific Transformer, but if I had to pick someone who matched the face, i'd go for [http://www.unicron.us/tf1985/cartoon/sludge1b.jpg Sludge], [http://www.unicron.us/tf1986/cartoon/swindle1.jpg Swindle] or [http://aworldtransformed.com/images/op25.jpg Optimal Optimus]. But personally I think its only meant to be a generic transformer/Robot Face, as found by the dozen in both 80s cartoons and animé. [[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]] 00:49, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
:Its like Starscream. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 00:52, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

== Not Homestar ==

I really don't think that's Homestar's voice in the moose lamp gag. I think it's just the unspecified trashy owner of the unspecified trashy trailer. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:13, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
: In fact, considering the accent and the fact that it's a moose, the voice ''might'' be a reference to Bob and Doug McKenzie. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:17, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:I think it is. He's supposed to sound sleepy. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:He sounds exactly the same way that he sounds in [[caper]], where he says almost exactly the same line. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:26, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::Agreed - that's Homestar. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:05, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Most assuredly Homestar. What he's doin' in a double wide I do *NOT* know! -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]]
::::Perhaps we were given a glimpse into the abode of Mustachioed HSR! -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 19:13, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Well okay, but if that's Homestar then it would seem we have to accept the following:
# Homestar owns or rents a "fancy" doublewide trailer.
# Homestar has a portrait of Strong Bad holding a skunk hanging in his doublewide.
# Homestar has a cool portrait of a unicorn on a snowmobile hanging in his doublewide.
# Homestar keeps Cold Ones in his trailer.
# Strong Bad is impressed by something Homestar owns (he speaks favorably of the trailer and both pieces of art).
# Strong Bad passes up the opportunity to comment on all this. Ordinarily, he would be outwardly upset at having to admit Homestar owns or has done something cool, and would either change his opinion about said coolness or comment that Homestar has no business owning such things. Or maybe fall into despondency.
Based on everything we know about both of these characters, it just doesn't make any sense to me. Best I can figure is that it's the real owner of the doublewide using a Homestar quote to fit the situation (which happens around my house all the time, especially when anything happens with anything that's blue). And the accent really isn't quite right at the end of the quote.

I'm happy to be proven wrong ... somebody make sense out of all the above for me, please.

{{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 19:42, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:If this is a place in Strong Bad's imagination, then we don't HAVE to accept any of these things as facts. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:44, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:: But where do you draw the line? All kinds of things that appear only in a Strong Bad Email are reported on the wiki as "facts" of Free Country USA.
:: And the question still remains ... even if this is just his imagination, '''why is Strong Bad imagining Homestar being cool?''' It's so out of character. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 20:01, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:: Uh, Bill ... I think you're over-brainin' this one. -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 19:53, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Agreed, same as the email where SB recalls emails that never really happened...ie Coach Z has neve been in a knife fight in the H*R universe, its was just SB high on soy sauce. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:56, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::::Sure, but your example doesn't create inconsistencies in the characters.
::::I'm not looking for perfect logic here; it ''is'' homestarrunner.com, after all! But it's hard to see TBC going so far outside the box consistency-wise for one little backreference. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 20:01, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::::: All right, how about this? Homestar was visiting someone who lives in a trailer, and he spent the night, and was so groggy he referred to it as "his" moose lamp when it really wasn't. Yes, I'm BSing a little, but ''was'' one little "backreference" whether it was Homestar saying it or not, and it sounded just like Homestar, so who are we to say otherwise? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:52, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:Jeez Bill, have you even watched [[caper]]? This is so completely obviously totally 100% surely Homestar! {{User:Salty/sig}} 00:16, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::I second Salty, that sounds A LOT like Homestar in caper. Here he says "Thanks for breaking my moose lamp." and in caper he says "Thanks for breaking my cow lamp.", it is a lot like it, so I think we need to just leave it as one of Homestar's Lines and have it be at Homestars house. I bet TBC just threw this in here for the very reason that weird people like us would argue about this, silly TBC. --StrongBaditude
::::: Breakin' lamps is an inside joke/running gag. The Cow Lamp in caper, The Cow Lamp again in garagle sale, now a moose lamp. It fits! {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:14, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Please see my [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:portrait&diff=211808&oldid=211771 comment] above, made before I had read this section. I've said it before, and this seems an appropriate place to say it again: things can reference multiple things. Thus this can be Homestar ''and'' Bob & Doug (though I really don't think they should get a Fun Fact). On the reality of what we're seeing, no, not everything we see in a sbemail is H*R-reality. (In fact I'd venture to say the ''majority'' of things we see are hypothetical!) We have the entire page [[Places Strong Bad Made Up]] as a result. This is one such place (although, as I said above, I don't think it should be added to the page). Strong Bad started hypothesizing about himself as a black velvet painting, then extended the speculation to the fact that it would hang in a double-wide; then as a nice touch we discover that the double-wide belongs to Trailer Homestar. Who carves things in walls (as opposed to [[Cool Things|painting them]]), sits around drinking cold ones, and chucks the bottles at the wall. (And, although the voice indicated grogginess in [[caper]], I think here it indicates the ravages of years of alcohol and hollerin' at his woman. Plus a current state of significant inebriation). Please do not, on the basis of these remarks, create a page for "Trailer Homestar" or the place. I simply offer them to ease Bill's character conflicts. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:19, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
: Wha-- where did all that come from?? --A weirded out {{User:Salty/sig}} 04:30, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::Abdiviklas is somewhat famous for replying in lengthly essays. Lengthly, but interesting. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 04:32, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::If you mean where'd the length come from, yeah, what Bubsty said. (I just started explaining, and felt it wouldn't be thoroughly explained until the point when I stopped.) If you mean where's the evidence for what I'm reading into it... I'm not sure I can explain it better without using even more words. Try watching the scene and then reading it again? —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 05:05, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I'm ready to let this one die, since I'm in a minority of one. I'll accept the voice as Homestar's, and just give up on trying to figure out why Strong Bad seems to be out of character. (And yes, I had seen [[caper]] before, and I did watch it again for comparison. I guess I just need to accept the fact that nothing I see in a sbemail counts as FCUSA "canon".) {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:14, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:Well, "nothing" is a pretty big word there. Let's just say you need to have several large grains of salt handy at all times. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:24, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::I don't really think it is Homestar; the voice was too deep. Then again, it could always be his shady drifter expression from [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]], which wasn't too long ago. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 19:04, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
No, it's surely his groggy voice. But Abdi, I meant I knew you liked long replies, but the alcoholic-trailer trash-yelling at his woman part, kinda frightened and confused me. No offense or anything, but I don't see how you derived all that from his tone of voice! {{User:Salty/sig}} 02:55, 7 December 2005 (UTC)!
:I think he derived a little from the cold one bottle hitting the lamp. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:Abdi was kidding- making a wild hypothesis and including trailer-trash stereotypes. Much like what Strong Bad was doing! But really, just because Homestar's voice wandered in at the opportune moment to reference Caper, that doesn't mean he owns the trailer or that the trailer exists. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 06:28, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
::Actually, I wasn't kidding so much, although I was engaging in some flights of fancy by suggesting a Trailer Marzipan as well. And warning, I'm about to get lengthly again. Ultimately, I was just trying to explain that the voice can "be" Homestar without us having to worry about how Homestar got into this scene, or what that means in terms of its reality. I'm going to refrain from going orff on [[Talk:geddup noise#Rant Re: Reality|another rant]] about contextual realities in H*R, but let me simply say that the ultimate and ''only'' arbiter of reality in ''any'' toon is what TBC find funny. There have been plenty of times that something started as a hypothetical existence and morphed into an acknowledged reality, most famously Senor Cardgage. Despite your consternation at the suggestion, Bill, there are ''lots'' of contradictions within characters, locales, and relationships. The bottom line is that:
::#Until we encounter it again, there is no reason to think that this scene exists as anything more concrete than a visualisation of SB's hypothesizing (note that it's introduced in the subjunctive—"It ''would be'' showcased...");
::#The lamp is there to be tacky and to be knocked over by a beer bottle, elaborating the trailer-resident theme;
::#It's a moose lamp to keep it from being the cow lamp; and
::#The only thing Homestar's doing there is providing his quote to heighten the funniness of the moment. We don't have to worry about ''Strong Bad'' putting him there; he's no longer speaking, and the hypothetical reality has now left his direct control. He didn't put Homestar there; '''TBC did'''. It isn't necessary that it make sense on a narrative or a causal level, only a comedic one.
::The moral is not that "sbemail is not canon," it's that the "canon" is flexible, fluid, and comfortable with contradiction. This concludes the mini-rant. Thanks for your patience! —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 09:01, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

It just occurred to me (and I'm surprised nobody else mentioned this) that there's a precedent for Homestar appearing unexpectedly in Strong Bad's imagination. See [[dreamail]] and [[do over]] - how is this any different than those emails? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 15:52, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

== Pointless and stupid, but... ==

I just had to say something about this... I wonder what TBC's inspiration for the picture with the skunk was. I seriously doubt it was either [[User:KieferSkunk|me]] or [[User:Skunk|Skunk]] here on the wiki, but that certainly would be cool if it was. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 01:08, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:Hm... maybe if Strong Bad catches a creature called a... "Bubsty," they could've modeled it after me! (C'mon TBC, do it do it do it!) {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:11, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::I dunno, I think a {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} would be an easy way to go. :) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 02:02, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I don't even use my user name, but I doubt TBC will ever put a Houdin in the show. (For the record, that's NOT Houdini with out the I it's Jean Eugene Robert-HOUDIN (say Hoo-dan), a French magician.) It'd be cool if they do though! -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 15:03, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::::TBC have already used my username {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:50, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::Technically, they used it before you did, though... ;) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::::I think that's what he means. ;) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
:::::::I wonder if I'll get any royalties if The Cheat's half brother, "The Chort", turned up... {{User:The Chort/sig}} 21:00, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::You'd only get royalties from Coach Z, but he's used all his money on the ''Great for baby'' items. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:51, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

== First Appearance? ==
Is this the first appearance of Homestars SAAB lighter? For some reason I think I've seen him with a lighter before.
:Homestar may have had a lighter, but it wasn't the saab. This is the first saab appearance. And please sign your posts StrongBaditude. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 02:09, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

== Some More Paint ==
This may be a stretch - that's why I'm not posting it yet - but I think "some more paint" may be a reference to the [http://www.benjaminmoore.com ''Benjamin Moore''] paint company, which is probably the most ubiquitous brand out there. -- [[User:Terlet Brush|Terlet Brush]] 14:59, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:I think you're kind of reaching there. IF it was spelled "Some Moore Paint," I'd concede the point, but I think TBC just put it there to have two different paint jars. Nice try though. -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 15:09, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::Yup. Despite its ubiquity, I've never heard of it, and I suspect most outside the painting industry would be in the same boat. (If you forced me to name a paint brand, I'd say the word "Sherwin" was involved somehow? And it has that logo of the world with red paint getting poured over it, you know?) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 16:44, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::When I think paint I think John Madden saying, "Ace is the place" for all your painting needs. We are definitely a society that is completely victim to: advertising. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:53, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Sherwin Williams doesn't make paint, but they sell it. {{User:Salty/sig}} 03:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

== Let there be lighter ==
It's true that Homestar's pulling out the Saab lighter in the Easter egg is similar to what the audience at a concert often does during slow songs, but it's hardly the first time that something like that has happened on the site... Does it need to be explained here? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:54, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:I still think mine was a usable explanation. You said it was hardly the first time it happened on the site. That is ''specifically'' why I think we need to keep it. Younger tweens watching the toon (or our wiki) may not know why Homestar pulled out the lighter; for all they know, he could've been trying to burn down Free, Country, USA! {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 20:07, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::I disagree. The real-world explanation for pulling out a lighter like this may be useful for people to know, but I think it's more important to point out that it's part of a running gag on the site, and perhaps explain the practice in the running gag page. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:59, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Now that you mention it, I think that this fun fact would fit in both locations (the article and the running gag page). {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 13:03, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
::::I'm not sure if y'all noticed it, but SAAB makes cars, just like BMW. Maybe that should be noted, the whole "The lighter, as per the running gag, is NORMALLY a BMW lighter, but in this email it is replaced with a SAAB lighter, and SAAB and BMW both make cars." as it's own, reworded fun fact. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
What Homestar did was a reference to the concert thing. I think we should put it on. {{User:Salty/sig}} 03:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
:Sounds like it's time to STUFF this item.
I just remembered, Strong Bad did the same thing in [[guitar]], and there they only mentioned it in the transcript. --{{User:Salty/sig}} 06:29, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

== Those stinkin umlauts... ==

*Should it be remarked that "Mästers" is pronounced incorrectly according to German grammar rules? (The reference was most likely German.)
-[[User: Kiwi|Kiwi]]
::We did it the first time Deutsch man was mentioned, when he mispronounced it, so we should have it here. {{User:Salty/sig}} 03:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

== Closed STUFF ==
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=== Concert Lighter ===
{{stufffact|In the key-sword-tar Easter egg, Homestar starts waving a SAAB Lighter (a variant of Strong Bad's [[BMW Lighter]]) while Strong Bad performs, a reference to how concert audiences traditionally hold up lighters and candles during slow songs.}}
{{stuffverdict|18:17, 7 December 2005 (UTC)|18:54, 21 December 2005 (UTC)|declined|14|9|portrait}}

{{stuffclosedaccept}}
=== What's Black and White and Read All Over ===
{{stufffact|The black-and-white portrait of Strong Bad is a "[[Wikipedia:Hedcut|hedcut]]", a type of drawing [http://www.npg.si.edu/exh/journal/ developed by] and used in ''[[Wikipedia:The Wall Street Journal|The Wall Street Journal]]'' (which is probably the "rich-guy newspaper" he was referring to).}}
{{stuffverdict|04:17, 8 December 2005 (UTC)|22:58, 10 December 2005 (UTC)|overwhelmingly and unanimously accepted|20|0|portrait}}

== what is that tune? ==

The song that Strong Bad hums at the end in the easter egg with his key-sword-tar really sounds familiar to me. Like it's from some old sci-fi movie or something. He doesn't get all the notes right, and I don't think it's deliberately suppoesd to sound like whatever it is I'm trying to remember, but anyway, can anyone tell me what is the song that this is reminding me of? It's driving me crazy. [[User:66.168.23.248|66.168.23.248]]
:It may be some time before we can get an answer for you - H*R seems to be have been having some serious net trouble lately. (Stuff is refusing to load properly for me.) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 00:52, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
::It bears a really strong resemblance to Golden Earring's "Radar Love", if you ask me. [[User:Frickinsellout|Frickinsellout]] 10:16, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

== I never noticed... ==

...but this was released on my birthday!!! {{User:Count X/sig}}

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