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Cyrius — Tue, 12 Sep 2006 00:05:36 GMT

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[[Image:Sbemail157.PNG|thumb|"Those aren't even from the same lame game."]]
Strong Bad shows us several examples of character trading cards.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Coach Z}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, [[Cheatball]], {{Film|Stinkoman}}, {{Film|Strong Sad}}

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Planet K]]

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}

'''Date:''' September 11, 2006

'''Running Time:'''

'''Page Title:''' Lappy 486

==Transcript==

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' Away you dribble down the court with an email, you leave your dreams at the top of the keeey. ''{brings up the email}''

<blockquote class="lappy email">
<div>subject: Trading Stong-gum</div>
Hey Strongbad- 
You should have trading cards...With a stick of gum in them. 
Nerdly yours, 
Daniel, 
N.S. CANADA
</blockquote>

''{Strong Bad says "Another freakin' guy named Daniel" instead of "Daniel" and "not safe, in Canada" instead of "N.S. CANADA".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing and whispering}'' Oh, Thanks for the tip, Daniel. I'll lay low here in the states for a while until things cool off. ''{clears screen}'' Daniel, trading cards are the biggest waste of not a video game on the planet! In fact, I thought trading cards were outlawed the day they invented good graphics. As for the "gum" that comes with them, I'm pretty sure they replaced that with a pink piece of balsa wood back in the ealry 80's and nobody ever noticed. So, no, I shouldn't have trading cards. But most of the other idiots around here have engaged in some form of trading cardery. Let's rag on them, shall we?

''{We see a wooden background, and trading cards are put on them as Strong Bad introduces them.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{offscreen}'' First up is Coach Z's line of vaguely sportsish managerial cards. What self-respecting twelve-year-old doesn't want to collect pictures of the smelly old man behind our favourite sports teams? And who could resist memorizing all these fabulous stats? Ooh, a record high of 23 butt patts in '84.

''{cut back to Strong Bad on his Lappy, with Homestar Runner next to him}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Hey, do you know the secret recipient of all those butt patts except o' one?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Let me guess, it...

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' No, it was me. It was like I was made to hustle for that season.

'''STRONG BAD:''' So, who got that last butt patt?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh. I think he gave himself that one. He's renowned for that self-butt patts.

''{closeup of Strong Bad's head}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yeah, ''known'' in seven states.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{offscreen}'' What?

''{Cut back to Strong Bad typing on his Lappy. He clears the screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Next up, we got the Cheat's trading card game, which is really more like a trading card activity or trading card goings-on, because the word 'game' implies fun and enjoyment.

''{cut to the wooden background}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{offscreen}'' And you won't find none of that here.

''{wipe to 20X6 the field with Stinkoman and Cheatball}''

'''STINKOMAN''': CHEATBALL POISON RAIN VORNADO!!!

'''CHEATBALL''': Cheatball.

''{Numbers appear in the four corners of the screen and change rapidly. The words "PLAY GET!" flashes on the screen and the 20x6 credit song plays}''

'''STINKOMAN''': Uhm, so, did I win? Does anyone know how this game works?

''{wipe back to wooden background with trading cards lying on them}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{offscreen}'' I'll trade you your Cheatball card for my Deathly Palor Lonely Lurker Attack card.

''{cut back to Strong Bad on his Lappy, with Homestar Runner next to him}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Homestar, these aren't even from the same lame game. Or SLG.

''{closeup of Strong Bad's head}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''Your'' game is for musky nerds to play in the basement of the freshmen dorms. This cutesy Japanese game is for little kids to play during recess, to make sure they don't get any real exercise.

''{cut back to Strong Bad on his Lappy, with Homestar Runner next to him}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' But how are them kids gonna earn any butt patts if they won't hustle it out?

'''STRONG BAD:''' I don't think butt patts are part of the approved curriculum in elementary schools these days.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Well, that's just sad.

''{Strong Bad turns back to his Lappy, cut back to him typing}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' The only trading cards I really gave a toot about were...

''{cut to the wooden background}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{offscreen}'' .. the Poopsmith's line of gross-out cards for kids.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{offscreen}'' I'll trade you that Petey POOPsmith for this Marzi-PANCAKE.

''{cut back to Strong Bad on his Lappy, with Homestar Runner next to him}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' You just keep showing up, don't ya?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' O.K., O.K., I'll throw in this rare STING of Town, too.

''{cut to the wooden background}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{offscreen}'' How 'bout I trade ''you''...

''{cut back to Strong Bad on his Lappy, with Homestar Runner next to him}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ...a "get outta my face" for this...

''{cut to Strong Bad drawing on a post-it note, with the Lappy between his face and the camera.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{offscreen}'' uhhhh...

''{cut to the wooden background}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{offscreen}'' ...one of a kind Strong Bad bench-pressing dinosaurs collector's card.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{offscreen}'' Hooo-ray!

''{Cut back to Strong Bad on his Lappy, with Homestar Runner next to him. Homestar is covered in sticky notes with Strong Bad and dinosaurs on them.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' My collection is complete! And ''here'', my good man, is your "get outta your face". ''{runs off}''

''{The Paper comes down. After some time has passed...}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' How many times have we had that conversation?

''{Homestar Runner quickly pops his head back into the screen.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Thirty-five!

''{disappears again quickly}''

== Easter Eggs ==
[[Image:Fan with dimetrodon.PNG|thumb|i fan myself w/ dimetrodon]]
*Click on "good graphics" to reveal the title screen of the 1982 [[Videlectrix]] video game [[C.H.E.A.T.]]
*Click on the Strong Sad card when Strong Bad turns around to see another Strong Sad card.
*Click on the stack of cards at the end to see all of the trading cards featured in this email up close.
*Click on the sticky notes on the floor at the end to see them up close.

== Fun Facts ==
===Explanations===
*Coach Z's trading cards are references to sports cards which often feature an image of a player of a sport playing said sport. Statistics like the ones on the back of Coach Z's cards are similar to the statistics found on sports cards as well.

===Trivia===
*This is the first time we have ever seen 20X6 The Cheat's real name, heard him speak, or even seen what he actually looks like, other than his face.
*The floppy disk container reads "[[Floppy Disk Container#kyrandia_series|kyrandia series]]".

===Remarks===
*The [[Wikipedia:Dimetrodon|Dimetrodon]] Strong Bad fans himself with in an Easter egg was a real creature that is commonly mistaken for a dinosaur. Actually, it was a reptile that lived before the first dinosaurs appeared.

===Goofs===
*For a single frame, Strong Bad's drawing (148 more reps!) remains after he lifts the [[Sticky Notes|sticky note]] up.
*"Pallor" is spelled as "Palor" on Strong Sad's playing card.

===Inside References===
*Strong Sad's Grim Reaper costume originally appeared in [[Experimental Film]].
*Strong Sad was known as "The Deathly Pallor" in [[impression]]; this is also the name of his [[The Deathly Pallor|radio host alter-ego]] in [[radio]].
*This is another appearance of [[Butt-Patting|butt-patting]].
*This is also another appearance of [[Dan]]
*Strong Sad was described as a lurker in [[garage sale]] and [[Senorial Day]].

===Real-World References===
*"Whatsit Pile Tikes" are a parody of [[Wikipedia:Garbage Pail Kids|Garbage Pail Kids]].
*The title screen for "C.H.E.A.T." is a reference to the notoriously unpopular [[Atari 2600]] game ''[[Wikipedia:E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (Atari 2600)|E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial]]'', which featured an uncharacteristically detailed title screen and is often cited as one of the main causes of the [[Wikipedia:Video_game_crash_of_1983|video game crash of 1983]].
*The "Beleaguered: Alliance" cards with Strong Sad are a reference to ''[[Wikipedia:Magic: The Gathering|Magic: The Gathering]]''.
*The Stinkoman Cards are a parody of Japanese trading card games such as ''[[Wikipedia:Pokémon Trading Card Game|Pokémon]]'' and ''[[Wikipedia:Yu-Gi-Oh! Trading Card Game|Yu-Gi-Oh!]]''; in particular, the points that appear onscreen during the 20X6 sequence resemble those from the [[Wikipedia:Yu-Gi-Oh! (second series anime)|''Yu-Gi-Oh!'' anime]].
*"[[Wikipedia:Vornado Air Circulation Systems|Vornado]]" is a manufacturer of "air circulators" (fans).

==External Links==
{{sbemailextlinks|157|9786}}
{{Strong Bad Email}}
{{subtitlesLinks}}

H*R.com updates 2005

Cyrius — Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:20:27 GMT

Cyrius: rv vandal

{{updates-box}}
This is a log of all of the changes that happened at H*R.com during 2005.
==Monday, September 12, 2005==
*[[Random Toon#Random Toon Button|Random toon button]] added to [[Main Pages|Main Page]].
*[[Random Toon#random.bat|random.bat]] added to [[Strong Bad Email|Strong Bad Email Menu]].
*[[Random Toon#Navigation Bar|rando]] added to the [[HR:main_nav.swf|navbar]].
*Message added to [[Main Pages|Main Page]]: ''new toon soon!''
*[[HRStore:horufi.html|Kick the Cheat]] returns to the [[Store]].
*[[Strong Bad Email Raps|Strong Bad Email Rap]]: ''"Scroll buttons and random, you can't handle 'em. Just the way I planned 'em. Everybody likes... you... friend."''
*"more-->" label added to the Lappy's scroll bar.

==Friday, September 9, 2005==
*[[Strong Sad's Lament]]: Working For the Weak-End?
*[[Strong Sad's Lament]]: Richard Moll [[Strong Sad's Lament#Avatars|Avatar]] and [[Strong Sad's Lament#Taglines|Tagline]]: ''"Sweetheart, you can't buy the necessities of life with cookies."''

==Thursday, September 8, 2005==
*[[HRStore:stbademdvd.html|Notice]] added to the [[Store]]: "COMING SOON! A DVD containing all the [[Toons#Shorts|short cartoons]], [[Teen Girl Squad]] 'toons, and much more!"
*[[Quote of the Week]]: "What in Pete Sampras is going on here?!?"
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: smooshed strongblecakes
*[[Sketchbook]]: the count abides

==Monday, September 5, 2005==
*[[Toons|Short]]: [[TrogdorCon '97]]
*[[Stinkoman 20X6]]: [[Stinkoman 20X6 Walkthrough Level 9|Level 9]]
*[[Stinkomanual#Level_9_-_Turbolence|Level 9]] added to the [[Stinkomanual]].
*Icons added to the Stinkoman 20X6 selection screen.
*The colors on Stinkoman 20X6's "Continute" menu changed.
*Stinkoman 20X6's shooting mechanism changed to have longer range.

==Thursday, September 1, 2005==
*[[Strong Sad's Lament]]: Parade on my Rain
*[[Strong Sad's Lament]]: Bubo [[Strong Sad's Lament#Avatars|Avatar]] and [[Strong Sad's Lament#Taglines|Tagline]]: ''"The earth swarms with people who are not worth talking to."''
*[[Quote of the Week]]: "I want pudding!"
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: h jumping jacks man r
*[[Sketchbook]]: stinkotetsuo

==Wednesday, August 31, 2005==
*Message added: "[[HRStore:hoatcoco.html|h*r at dragoncon!]]"
<blockquote>'''Homestar Runner at DragonCon '05!''' 
 
'''Sept 2 - 5 Atlanta, GA''' 
 
We'll be selling our wares at '''booth #101''' in the '''Exhibitor's Hall''' for all 4 days of DragonCon! We're way back in the back left corner. Try not to get twelve-sided died on your way over. 
 
Stop by for discounted merchandise and '''FREE''' high fives! The Brothers Chaps, the Family Chaps, and other members of the Homestar crew will be manning the booth throughout the weekend. Look for '''puppet appearances''' and maybe some '''toons you've never seen before!''' 
 
We'll be offering DVDs, CDs, figurines, messenger bags, beanies, posters, stickers, patches, and Trogdor t-shirts. (it is ''DRAGON''con afterall) 
 
Visit [http://www.dragoncon.org/ dragoncon.org]* for directions, locations, and more info. 
 
''<nowiki>*</nowiki>Homestar Runner is NOT responsible for the content of this site. There's some seriously nerdy stuff on there. Browse at your own risk.''</blockquote>

==Thursday, August 25, 2005==
*[[Strong Sad's Lament]]: A Curious Email
*[[Strong Sad's Lament]]: Jim Jarmusch [[Strong Sad's Lament#Avatars|Avatar]] and [[Strong Sad's Lament#Taglines|Tagline]]: ''"Why am I here?"''
*[[Quote of the Week]]: "Those rotten little punks next door won't know what hit 'em when you...fill 'em...fulla lead."
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: strong bad drummer tat
*[[Sketchbook]]: more weird snakes

==Monday, August 22, 2005==
*[[Toons|Toon]]: [[A Folky Tale]]
*Beanie caps on sale in the [[Store]]
*Message added to [[Main Pages|Main Page]]: ''new toon soon!''

==Thursday, August 18, 2005==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: "Ready boys? 1-2-3-4 Cool tapes are cool 'cause they're where it's at. Cool tapes are cool and we like it like that..."
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: hsr wedding invite
*[[Sketchbook]]: matt just drew these

==Wednesday, August 17, 2005==
*[[Strong Sad's Lament]]: Stats n' Stumps
*[[Strong Sad's Lament]]: Vince Guaraldi [[Strong Sad's Lament#Avatars|Avatar]] and [[Strong Sad's Lament#Taglines|Tagline]]: ''"We're just blowing through naptime."''

==Tuesday, August 16, 2005==
*[[Trogdor]] beanie added to [[Store]]

==Monday, August 15, 2005==
*[[Toons|Toon]]: [[Cool Things]]

==Thursday, August 11, 2005==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: "My left name is tremendous savings, Ms. America!"
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: beachface homsar
*[[Sketchbook]]: exag-a-homestar

==Monday, August 8, 2005==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #135: "[[lady...ing]]"
*"Super sale" in the [[Store]]
*Message added to [[Main Pages|Main Page]]: ''email soon''

==Friday, August 5, 2005==
*[[Puppet Stuff]]: [[Biz Cas Fri 3]]

==Thursday, August 4, 2005==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: "IT'S DAZZLE-MAZING!!"
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: ain't that a drag!
*[[Sketchbook]]: ilko concept art

==Monday, August 1, 2005==
*[[Stinkoman 20X6]]: [[Stinkoman 20X6 Walkthrough Level -0|Level -0]]
*[[Stinkomanual#Level_8_-_Negatory|Level 8]] added to the [[Stinkomanual]].

==Monday, July 25, 2005==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #134: "[[record book]]"
*New DVD in [[Store]]: [[strongbad email.exe Disc Four|Strong Bad Emails Disc 4]]

==Thursday, July 21, 2005==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: "buttdance again, like the rhythm's down your pants now!"
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: beady little the cheat
*[[Sketchbook]]: whiteboard wet cheat

==Monday, July 11, 2005==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #133: "[[bottom 10]]"
*New shirts in [[Store]]: Homestar Lite and HstarR
*Homestar Runner and Homestar Running shirts no longer available.
*Message added to [[Main Pages|Main Page]]: ''new sbemail a-comin'''

==Friday, July 8, 2005==
*[[Puppet Stuff]]: [[Puppet Jam: Mission Control]] returned to site as 'lost puppet jam'.

==Thursday, July 7, 2005==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: "A wagon full of pamcakes? In the Champeenship?! I'd like to see ya try!"
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: eh! steve pillow
*[[Sketchbook]]: matt's early homsars

==Wednesday, July 6, 2005==
*[[Stinkomanual#Level_7_-_Ice_2_Meet_U|Level 7]] added to the [[Stinkomanual]].

==Monday, July 4, 2005==
*[[Stinkoman 20X6]]: [[Stinkoman 20X6 Walkthrough Level 7|Level 7]]
*[[Holiday Toons|Holiday Toon]]: [[Happy Fireworks]]

==Friday, July 1, 2005==
*[[Puppet Stuff]]: [[Biz Cas Fri 2]]

==Thursday, June 30, 2005==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: "Check it out check it out check it out...etc."
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: a real sign in new jersey
*[[Sketchbook]]: strong sad as mike shank

==Monday, June 27, 2005==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #132: "[[modeling]]"

==Friday, June 24, 2005==
*[[Puppet Stuff]]: [[Biz Cas Fri 1]]
*Message added to [[Main Pages|Main Page]]: ''old shirts going away'' (Referring to Homestar Classic and Homestar Running)

==Wednesday, June 23, 2005==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: "You bet! Hit me on the slant!!"
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: fan basement & couch
*[[Sketchbook]]: riddle me twice limolosers!

==Monday, June 20, 2005==
*[[Teen Girl Squad]]: [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9|Issue 9]]

==Thursday, June 16, 2005==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: "THE GOOD TIMES ARE OVER!!!"
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: trogdor the bubninator
*[[Sketchbook]]: homstar runner

==Friday, June 10, 2005==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: "Naw, it can't be heaven. There's not enough Twinkies."
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: cool s c'n'c linocut
*[[Sketchbook]]: aunt gert doodle
*[[Alamo Drafthouse - 10 Jun 2005]]

==Monday, June 6, 2005==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #131: "[[boring (really)]]"
*[[Strong Bad]] shirt in the [[Store]]
*[[Strong Bad Email Raps|Strong Bad Email Rap]]: "And thats why I like to scroll, with scroll buttons"
*Message added to [[Main Pages|Main Page]]: ''new sbemail a-comin'''

==Thursday, June 2, 2005==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: "AAAaaaAAh'm the human wedgie!"
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: the brothers chapstick
*[[Sketchbook]]: blue laser was gonna be an ungurait?!

==Monday, May 30, 2005==
*[[Holiday Toons|Holiday Toon]]: [[Senorial Day]]
*Message added to [[Main Pages|Main Page]]: ''New Short Shortly''

==Tuesday, May 24, 2005==
*[[Stinkomanual#Level_6_-_Stratosfear!|Level 6]] added to the [[Stinkomanual]]

==Monday, May 23, 2005==
*[[Store]] redesigned

==Monday, May 16, 2005==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #130: "[[do over]]"
*[[Stinkoman 20X6]]: [[Stinkoman 20X6 Walkthrough Level 6|Level 6]]

==Thursday, May 12, 2005==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: "I'm on a RAMPAGE!!"
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: stonehenge homestar?
*[[Sketchbook]]: the new style

==Monday, May 9, 2005==
*[[Stinkoman 20X6]]: [[Stinkoman 20X6 Walkthrough Level 5|Level 5]]
*[[Toons|Toon]]: [[Bug In Mouth Disease]]
*[[Stinkoman]] Shirt in Store
*Motor Con Message added:
<blockquote>Now you can buy Homestar Stuff at great Show Prices at some of the Comic Conventions and Shows around the Country.
The Homestar Runner booth will be staffed by Strong Dad and The Mother Chaps, so if you're in the area of one of these fine shows,
drop by and say hello! You can win door prizes - autographed merchandise!! And of course, you get freebies with every purchase!</blockquote>

==Sunday, May 8, 2005==
*[[All Things Considered Interview - 8 May 2005]]

==Monday, May 2, 2005==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #129: "[[garage sale]]"
*Hoodies on sale in the [[Store]]

==Thursday, April 28, 2005==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: "Once again Biscuit Dough Hands Man slips through our fingers!"
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: feltstar creeper
*[[Sketchbook]]: fhqwhgads robot

==Tuesday, April 26, 2005==
*[[Stinkoman 20X6]] put back up with [[Stinkoman 20X6 Walkthrough Level 4|Level 4]] and its [[Stinkomanual]] article
*[[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 12.2]]

==Monday, April 25, 2005==
*[[Stinkoman 20X6]] temporarily removed from site.

==Thursday, April 21, 2005==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: "Dong DIIING!!!"
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: sharkmobile pinewood derby. can it work?
*[[Sketchbook]]: but they're in space!

==Monday, April 18, 2005==
*[[Toons|Short]]: [[The Li'l Brudder Show]]

==Thursday, April 14, 2005==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: "I'M THE HUMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
**The "hear it" and "get it" font is now Bauhaus 93.
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: sweet sterrance doll
*[[Sketchbook]]: serpented!!

==Monday, April 11, 2005==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #128: "[[rampage]]"

==Monday, April 4, 2005==
*"[[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]]" put back up at a different location, and is added to Toons menu.

==Saturday, April 2, 2005==
*"[[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]]" removed from site.
*[[Stinkoman 20X6]] music added to [[Videlectrix]] site.

==Friday, April 1, 2005==
*[[Holiday Toons|Holiday Toon]]: "[[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]]"

==Thursday, March 31, 2005==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: "Well, folks, you know what that means: Now I'll do a dance."
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: graw mad dresser
*[[Sketchbook]]: der cheat geist

==Monday, March 28, 2005==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #127: "[[long pants]]"
*Big Spring Sale at the [[Store]]

==Friday, March 25, 2005==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: "Everybody knows me. Mine name cornbread."
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: 'lectric tape hotness, yo
*[[Sketchbook]]: stinkoman as just some dude

==Monday, March 21, 2005 ==
*[[Games|Game]]: [[Stinkoman 20X6]] added with Levels [[Stinkoman 20X6 Walkthrough Level 1|1]], [[Stinkoman 20X6 Walkthrough Level 2|2]], and [[Stinkoman 20X6 Walkthrough Level 3|3]], complete with their [[Stinkomanual]] articles.
*[[Stinkoman 20X6]] added to [[Videlectrix]] site with synopsis, box art, and main page message.

==Thursday, March 17, 2005==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: "Stop what? I don't do nothing!"
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: my name stuffed bubs
*[[Sketchbook]]: Problematics

==Monday, March 14, 2005==
*[[Puppet Stuff]]: [[Strong Bad vs. Little Girl!]]
*"cool new poster!" message added.

==Friday, March 11, 2005==
*New poster available in the [[Store]]: "[[Everybody Everybody Poster]]"

==Thursday, March 10, 2005==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: "Oh. Why do you...guys...like me anymore. I-I've lost it!"
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: dump tape wallet
*[[Sketchbook]]: trogdor age 6. drawn by billy age 4.

==Tuesday, March 8, 2005==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #126: "[[best thing]]"

==Monday, March 7, 2005==
*"new sbemail soon" message added.

==Wednesday, March 2, 2005==
*"NYC fans!" message removed.

==Tuesday, March 1, 2005==
*Portion of "NYC fans! Updated!" changed to:

<blockquote>We'll be doing a talk 
at NYU tonight.
</blockquote>

==Monday, February 28, 2005==
*Message entitled "NYC fans!" added. It reads:

<blockquote>We'll be doing a talk 
at NYU on Tuesday. 
puppets. peasants. and 
never before seen crap 
 
where: Kimmel Bldg 
Shorin Performance Ctr 
8th floor 
when: 6pm Tuesday 5/1 [sic] 
$3 with NYU ID. $4 public</blockquote>

==Sunday, February 27, 2005==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: "Look out below, geronimo! Hee hee HA HA!"
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: cheatar's final home
*[[Sketchbook]]: you jumped over some of my bubses

==Tuesday, February 22, 2005==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #125: "[[rock opera]]"
*[[Scalding Lake]] T-Shirt added to the [[Store]].

==Monday, Februray 21, 2005==
*"email soon" message added
*Copyright date on [[Main Pages]] changed from 2004 to 2005
*[[Store]] merchandise to be available at MegaCon.

==Thursday, February 17, 2005==
*[[Quote of the Week]]:"I'm the human wedgie."
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: Soapstar Cleanser
*[[Sketchbook]]: 'lectric boot sketches

==Tuesday, February 15, 2005==
*New [[FAQ]], including new questions.

==Monday, February 14, 2005==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #124: "[[secret recipes]]"

==Thursday, February 10, 2005==
*DVD+CD combo deal in the Store
*[[Quote of the Week]]: "Everyone is different. No two people are not on fire. Awww."
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: trogsaic vs. trogstitch
*[[Sketchbook]]: this is a cheat-up! nobody move!

==Sunday, February 6, 2005==
*[[Toons|Short]]: [[Peasant's Quest Movie Trailer]]

==Friday, February 4, 2005==
*"Super Bowl Halftime" message added on [[Main Pages|Main Page]]: "We will be putting up our weekly update at halftime of the Super Bowl. So check it on out if you want."

==Monday, January 31, 2005==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #123: "[[origins]]"

==Thursday, January 27, 2005==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: "My name's Bubs. This is my regulah voice."
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: sweet frosting tips
*[[Sketchbook]]: will not be replacing strong bad any time soon

==Thursday, January 20, 2005==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: "We're Kissyboots and it's nice to meetcha!"
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: ancient hsr stop sign
*[[Sketchbook]]: brotherly love

==Tuesday, January 18, 2005==
*Two new categories added to [[Videlectrix]]: Game Gallery and Game Music

==Monday, January 17, 2005==
*[[Teen Girl Squad]]: [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8|Issue 8]]
*Embroidered patches in the [[Store]]

==Friday, January 14, 2005==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: "Alms for the pudgy? Alms for the pudgy?"
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: photoshopped but still
*[[Sketchbook]]: not approved!!
*[[Games|Game]]: [[50K Racewalker]] ([[Videlectrix]])

==Monday, January 10, 2005==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #122: "[[dreamail]]"
*Big after-Christmas t-shirt sale in the [[Store]]
*[[They Might Be Giants|TMBG]] [[Experimental Film]] music video released. Accessible [http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/com.apple.jingle.app.store.DirectAction/viewVideo?b=a&videoId=41146400 via iTunes]

==Monday, January 3, 2005==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #121: "[[part-time job]]"
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== Every thing is fine now ==
um what happened the last 3-4 days? i could not get on the wiki --[[User:djm1791|djm1791]] 05:33, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Bandwidth ran out. It's been discussed. Everything is fine. Nothing is ruined. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 05:36, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

but what does that mean & were can i find this discosion? --[[User:djm1791|djm1791]] 05:38, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Bottom of this page, for one. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 05:49, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

thanks --[[User:djm1791|djm1791]] 05:53, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Shouldn't there be a character reference for the Strong brothers' mother? I know we never see her, but she does seem to be around somewhere since they refer to her (as in the SB email, "the facts).

== What the crap? ==

Why am I not on the list of registered users? --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]

:You're number 439.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:42, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)

Why am I not on the list of registered users?--[[User:bkmlb|bkmlb]]

:You're number 1879.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:55, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)

== 2004/2005 Tsunami Donation Link ==

I was just reading up on the [[Wikipedia:2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake|Indian Ocean Earthquake]] and realized how incredibly horrible this event was, and I'm seriously thinking we need some kind of banner to a donation link to the Wikipedia donation page. Or something like that. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

How very specific your request is.
-[[User:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf|Fhq]]

Fhq, what's your point? It's a good idea, don't give him crap because he's thinking larger than himself.
Bird, perhaps you should send Joey a PM on the forum. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]

:Just in case anyone was wondering, we won't be adding a notice to the Main Page. If you'd like to put a notice on your userpage, that would be acceptable.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:14, 7 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Dubious reference solution ==

Over the past few Strongbad e-mail articles, I've read a lot of (to be frank) farfetched suggestions of references that TBCs are presumably making to other stuff. Maybe, if you're 100% sure that something is intended as a reference (for example, a character name or line very specific to one TV show), then it's fine to say it's a reference. But if something just seems to remind you of something else (for example, a song that sounds kinda-sorta like a song that was played in the 23rd episode of some TV series), then it's more accurate to say that it is '''reminiscent''' of something, rather than a reference to something.

Just a suggestion.

:A wonderful suggestion, and it goes along with the ongoing discussion we are having regarding the overhaul of our current fun fact system. Thank you for your concern and idea.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:52, 13 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Locking down the main page ==

I visited today and noticed that the main page had been defaced. Someone else restored the last known good version, but it seems to me that the front page should not be editable by just anyone for this exact reason. Even the main page of Wikipedia is off-limits to anyone except staff...
:Yes, I want the main page protected as well... [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]-<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|?</tt>]] 14:05, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)
-It happened again. This must be done NOW.

:Look, the template does nothing to prevent trolling; it's a redundancy. Locking down the Main Page is a good way to go, since nothing really changes there, anyway. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 14:26, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

I find it funny how the MediaWiki's been around for at least 5 months now and only NOW are people starting to complain about wanting the Main Page locked down. Personally, I think it's prime idiot bait, as in "if you deface the main page, you're automatically not fit to be on the wiki." --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 15:02, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

You could have a way to detect whether someone is severely defaceing the page or not. --[[User:67.161.224.65|67.161.224.65]]

::Okay, due to several requests and the seeming lack of need to update the Main Page, I've protected it. Please note that I do not like having it protected, this being a wiki and all, but I agree that it really doesn't need to be edited that much and is just sitting there as troll fodder. Thanks to all who helped with that last batch of defacement.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:12, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

:::I never change the main page, so I'm pretty happy with that, but I do have one concern. Might the Trollers who automatically go to work on the Main Page to start with, now be forced to move onto smaller, harder to detect defacements on other pages? What if we're only spreading the diease? [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'']] 18:46, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::::A good concern, and lucky for me I have this wonderful ditty to cite:
::::''...the fact is that for every troll with too much spare time, there are 100 users with just as much spare time ready and eager to undo that troll's (un)work. The fact is, the trolls always get bored before the users do, because the users are emotionally invested in what they've created and the Wiki moves fast enough that the average trolling only lasts about two minutes before it's reverted. A troll's work is hardly ever noticed by anybody, but a legitimate user's work is always noticed and appreciated. That's why wikis work. — InterruptorJones 15:37, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)'' ([[User_talk:FireBird#Question_from_Troll|ref]])
::::Simply put, that's just how wikis work. We'll notice no matter where or how small, and they will get tired.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:55, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::::::That is, unless said troll or trolls are emotionally invested in destroying the wiki. --Guest

::Good answer, thanks. Come to think of it, I guess if everyone has on their watchlist the pages they created, or just care for, then likely whatever page is edited will be watched by SOMEBODY. Thanks for the quick reply. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'']] 17:36, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)

Well, I want to edit the main page. I have a feature in mind that I think would be appreciated by all (I know I'll use it), but would require a little updating every now and again. How about you just make the main page editable by registered members? Disallow guests from editing it. I await the unlocking to reveal my idea.
--Rgb9000

:If it's such a great idea, why can't you just say it? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 00:25, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Fair question. I want to do the actual edit so that I'll be properly credited in the history for the implementation. --[[User:Rgb9000|Rgb9000]] 01:28, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Well, it's a Wiki, so you can't really take credit beyond putting on your userpage that you were the one to do something. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 01:45, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Is it making a link to the newest (H*R) updates on the main page (to the pages of the updates themselves, not to the updates page)? Because that would be quite nice. (but would require updating every week or so). -- 82.81.whatever

== Rejects? ==
Where did Rejects go?? What the? -- Asploder

:Away. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 23:57, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)

::Yes, they're all categorised now, but I don't know where they went. [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|?</tt>]] 18:08, 14 Feb 2005 (MST)

They all went to better places. Characters are now characters, items are now classified as items. Fancy that ;) [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 21:48, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

== Confusion over moving dates ==

The [[Main Page]] says that HRWiki will be moving 'from early Friday morning (Feb. 25) to late Sunday evening (Feb. 27)', but every other page says 'early Friday morning (Mar. 4) to late Sunday evening (Mar. 6)'. Someone should probably fix that on the main page, as it appears it's not closed presently. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 05:04, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)

:The date changed. A hard refresh (likely ctrl+F5) of the Main Page should clear your cache and solve the problem.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:16, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

== New ==

Hi, I'm new and not on the list.--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 09:19, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)
:Yes you are, you're number 895 →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 09:50, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

what number am i?--[[User:Harry|Harry]] 10:03, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Here, [[Special:Listusers|find out for yourself]]. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 10:46, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Thanks--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 11:10, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Favorite Character List ==
It think it might be nice if some o' you guys set up a "Most Popular Character" page to find out who are the most popular main characters in the Homestar Runner universe. There seems to be enough wiki users here to get an accurate idea. In this page, people would say who their favorite character is on the talk section (and their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc favorite as well if they want.) and then someone would add them all up into a graph to show who are the most/least popular character and so on. (And remember, MAIN characters only) To keep things simple, it could be a character would get 8 "popularity points" for being a first favorite, 7 for second, 6 for third, and so on. Whoever gets the highest popularity points goes in the most favorite section. Also, only registered users count. I dunno... this could be difficult and messy and inaccuriate, but if done right it could be very interesting.
Anyways... opinions anyone? --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 15:46, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Sorry, but this here's a vote for no. I think it could be a good idea under a different venu, such as the [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page Fanstuff Wiki], or perhaps a poll in the [http://forum.hrwiki.org/ Forum]. But since this is simply a knowledge base, it wouldn't really fit in too well.
[[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'']] 16:37, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

::I agree with Thunderbird. It's just not necessary. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::What if it was made in Fanstuff Wiki? Don't care too much if it never happens. Besides, I wouldn't have the know-how and stuff to make a page like that anyway. Someone else would have had to do it. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 17:09, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

::::Yeah, that'd be awesome. Run with it. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::::I went and I ran with it. You can check it out in the Interactive section of Fanstuff H*R Wiki. :) It's called, "Character Popularity"--[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 16:47, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

We all Know That SB is gonna be most poplular, or Maybe Pom Pom. After all, He is the most Mackinest.[[User:Goblin Hammer]]

== Article of the day? ==

Why not have a featured article like Wikipedia?

:We don't have any featured articles, so we couldn't have a featured article of the day.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:49, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

::We could do it like the Fark.com [http://216.32.91.95/Main_Page Wiki] does it. Each month has 7 articles (one for each day of the week) that rotate around every week (with a new set every month). For instance, you create a page called [[HRWiki:Featured article/Tuesday, March]] then just do an include on the main page like:

<nowiki>== Featured article ==</nowiki> 
<nowiki>{{HRWiki:Featured article/{{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTMONTH}}}}</nowiki>

That would run automatically for a whole month with only 7 articles. --[[User:noclip|noclip]] 18:53, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

:The fact remains that we still don't have featured articles.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:05, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)
::You don't need to "have" them. You can just make em. Start a poll of which articles should be on the front page, take those and copy-paste them into HRWiki:Featured article/Whatever day and use that link on the front page.

== New logo ==

How about it?

[[Image:hrwlogoidea-fixed.png]]

[[User:noclip|noclip]] 18:59, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

::I had this alternate too

[[Image:hrlogowithhr.png]]

[[User:noclip|noclip]] 19:26, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

:I like the one with the dropshadow, but would be happy with either of them... [[User:Glutnix|Glutnix]] 03:03, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)

I've started a "Poll" about this

:Sorry, but we don't do polls. I've deleted your poll page accordingly.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:02, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
::JoeyDay told me to start one. It was just to see whether the users were for it. He said it was okay and that the decision would be left up to the admins anyway. It'd have been nice if you protected the page and posted the results instead of straight up deleting it.

:::Well, if it matters, I really don't like the green "Wiki". Another color would look nice.
:::And Homestar Runner looks a little bit bumpy. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]
::::I would have used another color but TBC pretty much used everything on the logo.

:::::Just because it's been used once doesn't mean you can't use it again. Orange or grey would look nice (I think). →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::The first one looks great. I don't know about the green, but it looks better than the current logo. {{User:Rainer/sig}}

::::The first one is perfect. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:10, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)

:::::I love them both! Actiually, contrary to what these folks are saying, I like the green (probably because it's my favourite colour... xD). But I agree that Homestar looks bumpy. The first ones real nice, though.

::On second thought, the green looks nice, actually. {{User:Rainer/sig}}

:I think that the first one is incredible! Nice work! I love the green! →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 14:32, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)

:I Think the second one should be used. I prefer it over the one that's up now. And I also like the green "wiki". That logo looks really, really nice. But as for the first one... I don't know, the drop shadow just doesn't look H*Rish, and it's good to see H*R (the character) on the logo. In conclusion... the second one. --[[User:70.25.9.49|70.25.9.49]] 01:52, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
::Have you seen the H*R loading screen? It's got the drop shadow.
:::Yeah, but the logo in the loading screen is round, and I think the shadow isn't quite as dark. With the "Wiki" in there, the shadow looks like it should be more complex, but then it would be too realistic. Well, that's how I feel about it.

:Though I am leaning toward the second logo, I like the first one almost as much (the green isn't a problem to me). Both logos are pretty good. Nice job. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 16:33, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Not to be a picky monkey, but they look a tad bit jaggy...do ya think you could smooth it out a bit, especially the one with Homestar on it? - [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 16:35, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oh my gosh that rocks out loud I love the green it fits so well. I love it love it love it. For cerial. (does that count as "internet slang"?)--[[User:Because, It's Midnite|Because, It's Midnite]]

I like it. Dropshadow. ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'' 01:09, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Me too. Dropshadow! [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:47, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm not a member but I go on this site all the time and you can't stop me from giving my opinion so... I VOTE DROPSHADOW! -Alice

I love the first one. The green is cool, but maybe a more basic color might apease some members such as black or white? I dunno though I am horrible at graphic design. --[[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 00:25, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

The second one is better in my opinion. Homestar adds some flavor to it. [[ ↔ Rabidfox ®]]

Its' AWESOME! Homestar does add flava, but Blue would be better color than green in the wiki part. [[Goblin hammer]]

==Scared of 1.4.0==
I'm scared of this upgrading to 1.4.0 
I didn't like what it did to the fanstuff. Because... 
1. Different font. It's smaller and I don't like it as much. 
2. History erased. I expecially do not want that to happen. Not to mention it could leave some page histery blank, making them targets for non-revertable trolling. 
So, what I'm trying to say, is that if you can't get past these two problems, I think I'd prefer this wiki staying in the 1.3's. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:37, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
::I ran an upgrade to 1.4 a week ago on a pretty big wiki (~200 articles), it went seamlessly. The main page was defaulted, but that was easily reversible through history. Other than that, it shouldn't mess anything up. My thoughts, go ahead and do the upgrade.
:::Well, look at what happened to Fanstuff Wiki. Almost all history was erased, the font is smaller and uploading pictures doesn't work. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 06:20, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Character Evolution, The Stick ==

I posted the first of my suggestions on the discussion page for the FAQ, which of course was not the right place. If it doesn't make any sense what I am about to say, maybe how I worded it there does.

===Suggestion #1: Character Evolution===

In the [[Character Evolution]] pages, we should not treat the Yello Dello and Reddest Radish versions as designs. We shouldn't even include them on the page (perhaps in a sub-section "Other ways so-and-so has been drawn") because these were NEVER solid designs, they were never intended to be and simply aren't. The ''designs'' themselves are valid when talking about the Reddest Radish but they are still not necessary for the page.

===Suggestion #2: The Stick===

I believe that the Stick should not be treated as an Inside Joke, but rather as a full-fledged 'place.' I think it's earned that title, don't you?

Ok, so everyone leave your thoughts, comment or whatever here. I hope to get these suggestions used.

EDIT: I also believe that [[fhqwhgads]] should return to beign an inside joke.

*I agree with all three of those. Reddest Radish and Yello Dello aren't real designs. --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 15:41, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)

*I wholeheartedly agwee. [[Fhqwhgads]] get your birdie carcus into the da inside joke place, and the Stick, be a place, I guess. [[User:64.12.116.195|64.12.116.195]] 00:59, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

==Editing issues==

For some reason, I can't edit the WikiTroll page. In fact, I can't even edit its talk page! I'm not banned (I can edit other pages just fine.) Every time I try to edit those pages, though, it informs me that I'm trying to edit a page that's just been edited - even though there's no new edit on the Recent Changes page or anywhere else. I was trying to add [[User:160.7.1.12|160.7.1.12]], a repeat offender who defaced [[long pants]] and [[Strong Bad Email]]. Can anyone else edit the WikiTroll page? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 10:31, 6 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:It's a result of the move to MediaWiki 1.4. Lots of people are having problems editing certain pages, including the [[HRWiki:WikiTroll Archive|WikiTroll Archive]], [[Strong Bad's Room Main Page]], [[japanese cartoon]], and most importantly [[HRWiki:WikiTroll|WikiTroll]] and [[HRWiki Talk:WikiTroll|Talk:WikiTroll]]. For more information, go to [[HRWiki Talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4]] --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 17:39, 6 Apr 2005 (BST)
:I too had the same problems editing the WikiTroll and WikiTroll Talk pages, which I posted on the [[HRWiki Talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4]]. Annoying, yes? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 12:48, 6 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:: I know I'm not the only one annoyed by a lack of WikiTroll page. Perhaps we should set up a temporary replacement? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:06, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
::: That sounds like a great idea, since we've had a frustrating number of repeat trolls recently, like that guy who keeps changing the pictures around. We could call it "Temporary WikiTroll". <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 15:06, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:::: I called it [[HRWiki:WikiTroll 2.0|WikiTroll 2.0]]. Too bad I can't edit the main page or the old WikiTroll page to link to it. Sigh. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 18:45, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:::::Great jorb! <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 19:15, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
::::::Now if only a mod would put it in an easily-accessible spot... or acknowledge its existence... --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 23:12, 8 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:::::::So, have none of the mods noticed the WikiTroll problem? Hasn't anyone noticed that the Wiki Troll page hasn't updated since the move? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 04:14, 9 Apr 2005 (MDT)

== Watchlist is acting a little strange... ==

The watchlist is looking a bit weird - what happened? Was the database restored from a backup or something?

''(1 pages watched not counting talk pages; 120000 total pages edited''
''since cutoff; checking watched pages for recent edits... show and''
''edit complete list.)''

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Below are the last '''2''' changes in last '''3''' days.
Show last 1 | 2 | 6 | 12 hours 1 | 3 | 7 days all
'''14 Apr 2005'''
(diff) (hist) . . HRWiki talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4; 23:21 . .
12.2.235.67 (Talk) ''(?Creating a New Account)''
'''3 Apr 2005'''
(diff) (hist) . . '''N''' HRWiki:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4; 11:04 . . Tom
(Talk) ''(Add stuff.)''
--[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pidgeot|(e)]] 13:14, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'm seeing 120000 total pages edited too. You're the first one to notice, but I'm guessing this happens for most/all of users. Looks like my hope that our [[HRWiki talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4|problems since upgrading]] were all fixed has been dashed.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:29, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
::Thing is, this didn't happen at the same time as any of the changes (at least not that I know of). Although, the most obvious culprit is the time zone change, but the problem didn't occur until a while after that happened.
::I just noticed that the total pages edited field is always 40000*days - so if you select 6 hours (0.25 days), it shows 10000. I'd like to know where that figure comes from... but I'd need file and database access to verify, and that would probably be a little too much to ask :) --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pidgeot|(e)]] 23:39, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:I've just seen it as well. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 16:36, 20 April 2005 (BST)
:Same here -- <tt>Posted by: [[User:-erson|-erson]] [[User talk:-erson|Talk]]</tt> 23:41, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:This happened to me too. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 16:20, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
::Pidgeot, if you have any specific queries you need me to run, just ask. I'm all about getting to the bottom of this.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:16, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:::I'm afraid I need to examine things close up for me to try and determine anything - I have a number of ideas, but testing any of them is an extensive process, and it would be much easier to do this myself.
:::Could you possibly supply me with a MySQL database dump and a copy of your MediaWiki installation (in case you have files that for some reason are different from a standard MediaWiki 1.4 installation), so I can work on it remotely? I can supply you with a variety of methods of getting the files to me - FTP, a GMail account to send to, etc. (You can e-mail me if you want to discuss it more privately - just click the (e) in my sig.) --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pidgeot|(e)]] 17:20, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::Heh, I just tried that (e), but it looks like our User email function isn't working for some reason. The link in the toolbox doesn't show up on user pages either. Anyway, send me an email at [mailto:tom@hrwiki.org tom@hrwiki.org] and we'll talk. Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:07, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::::Fixed, thanks to Pidgeot's help. For more information, see [http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1778 MediaWiki bug 1778].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:16, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Refactoring the Main Page ==

How would people feel about having the main page refactored to be more like Wikipedia? I think we've got enough content that we could highlight a different article each week and keep a rolling "did you know" list. I also like Wikipedia's category links at the top of the main page. What does everyone think? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 22:30, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:I suggested this too up in "Article of the Day?" on this page. I fully support it.

::I don't think out category system is set up to be navigated like Wikipedia's is. Additionally, running the "Article of the whatever" would be a full-time job. We'd also need someone to come up with a system. The idea sounds nice, but how would you do it? Remember, the english language Wikipedia has 550 times as many legitimate content articles and 165 times as many registered users as we do.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:22, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::You're right. I don't think we have enough content to run an article of the day, but I wouldn't mind being in charge of a weekly or monthly featured article. It might be nice to set up a page where users could nominate articles to be featured, just to give me ideas. I also wouldn't mind scouting the wiki for strange facts to post in a "did you know" section. In fact, I think that would be fun. In short, I'm willing to do it if people want to see it done. In regard to categories, we could simply use our current [[Toons]], [[Strong Bad Email]], etc. pages instead of pointing to the categories themselves. An "in the news" section (though probably called something else) would also be useful for a quick glance at the most recent toons/emails.

:::As a corollary to this, we would probably want to move specifically wiki-related content off the front page and onto some sort of community portal page. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:14, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::I've created a [[User:JoeyDay/Main Page Mock-up|mock-up]] of my main page idea. Not much different from Wikipedia's main page, but I figure what works for them should work just as well for us. I would of course build a bunch of templates to include most of the content. This is just a start. I don't want to spend too much more time on it unless more people want to see it happen. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:13, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::I'm fully for this new Main Page. It looks great! I think we will be able to have a new article everyweek and everything. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 01:22, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Although the new features are cool, I don't like how it makes the original list of pages less accessable. Much less accessable. -- [[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 01:52, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::I don't like the "Browse" or any of that other stuff on there- one reason I really like this wiki is because it's so simple. Browse and all that other stuff make it sort of confusing. To me, anyways. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

:::The mock up looks nice, but there are still some things I don't think we need. You solved my category issue very well, but like Firebird mentioned, those links in the "Browse" line there are a bit cumbersome, and I can't actually picture someone using them. I think they work for Wikipedia simply because Wikipedia has a lot of subjects. We don't. How would our [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Browse|Browse]] page look?
:::Joshua makes another good point. Quite a few of the article links were left out. This might be because they would end up somewhere else in the new system, but I like having links for things like [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]] on there.
:::Now that I've seen more of the proposal, I'm liking the idea of featured something of the something, and the idea of a "What's new" section on the front page, but I'm not feeling good about the "Did you know?" section. That would be a job and a half for someone to manage.
:::Oh, I noticed for Wikipedia's "anyone can edit" link you went to our :About page. I kind of like the newer [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Introduction|Introduction guide]] that Wikipedia set up back in December. I'd be willing to set that up for us.
:::Oh, and the portal is a great idea too.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:32, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I have laid out a preliminary Categorization scheme on my [[User:Drhaggis|User Page]] for use in the new main page navigation This represents all of the top-level categories. Comments are welcome. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 17:02, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::I've also created a [[User:Tom/Introduction Mock-up|Introduction mock-up]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:35, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::Looks great Tom. Are we getting a community portal? It would be a great non-forum way to discuss the Wiki. If so it should be called "Meet-up at the Stick" or some such thing [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 17:44, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::I think we're seriously considering it, as Joey mentioned it in his mock up and discussion as well. "Meet-up at The Stick" sounds like the right name for it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:49, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::Call me stupid, but I'm not exactly sure what a community portal is. Can anyone explain it to me? →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

:::::Wikipdia has their [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Community Portal|Commnuity Portal]] you could check out. Basically, they don't have a forum and use the wiki itself for discusion of wiki-related topics.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:57, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::Wow, man! Both mock-ups are fantastic! I really hope that they'll be used. [[User:señor|»ßenit, known as señor«]]

==Interviews/Presentations==

Since we're now starting to make pages for genuine interviews of, and presentations by [[TBC]], what about actually putting them somewhere, besides just 'sightings'. I figure that since they're put out BY [[TBC]], and not more or less fanstuff, they should get their own section linked to from the main page, under Wiki Stuff, maybe as 'Interviews' or something, and then as such, sort out all the websites we have with transcrips of interviews and stuff, and transcribe them, maybe put a few fun facts in there, ect, make them all genuine pages. I think it would really add to the usefulness of the Wiki. Any ideas? If the sysops ('''EDIT:''' Hey, That's Me!) are up to adding to the main page, I volunteer to personally spearhead, to an extent, (I'll have much more spare time as of May the 1st), this undertaking, along with transcribing, ect. Plus many of the interviews are already transcribed on the pages we're linked to, our transcriptions could just edit for typos, maybe censor a word or two, but be useful incase these pages are ever shut down, the interviews lost forever. Okay, any comments/suggestions? ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'' 01:08, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Sounds good to me.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:16, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==Signatures==

The signatures look like crap now thanks to 1.4.0

i spent a whole day trying to reformat me signature

then finally i got it.

it is so annoying though but if you want a cool signature like this one :[[User:pertmywert|pertmywert]][[User talk:pertmywert|talk]] copy this:<nowiki>pertmywert]][[User talk:pertmywert|talk</nowiki>

Just replace my name bit's and put in your name

:Actually, 1.4 handles signatures better than previous versions. You just need to make sure your preferences are set correctly.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:23, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I think my Sig is pretty cool... ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'' 22:25, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:I can't see your arrows any more. Is this a font problem or what? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 22:28, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

What? My Arrows? My precious little arrows? I can still see them. Keep on Arrowing, my Arrowies. Seriously though, can you not see them? If not, does anyone have any ideas why? I like my arrows. ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'' 22:42, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:In order to see the arrows, you must have Japanese fonts installed. These can be installed through the Control Panel. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 13:49, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::You're so smart. Yay for Pidgeot! →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

:::Yup, I can see them on my laptop which has Japanese fonts installed. Cool. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 00:47, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::Sweet, kinda like a special little easter egg only if you have the right font. Btw, here's another 'easter egg', just finished it today, and it'll only work on my sig starting now. Try clicking on the two arrows individually... ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|?]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|?]]</tt>'' 04:57, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::::Cute addition. You should have some sort of.... arrow... rap. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 05:24, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::::"Arrows in the front, arrows in the back, get down get down, offa that [[secret recipies|smoke stack!]]." Hows that? ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|?]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|?]]</tt>'' 05:29, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==Borders==
So it's not that big of a deal or anything, but I think thin black borders around the current logo would look awesome. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''
:Yeah, you might have something there. Here's what they might like:
::[http://img2.echo.cx/img2/5051/req69bg.png Medium]
::[http://img2.echo.cx/img2/6681/req77er.png Thick]
::[http://img2.echo.cx/img2/6194/req83kw.png Thin]
:Especially with Homestar himself having a black border. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

::You can tweak the CSS all you want. Maybe a little <tt>#p-logo{border:thin solid black;}</tt>?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:11, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::([[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]])

::::Oh no no no, that's not what I meant at all. Please do not edit that. I was talking about FireBird's personal CSS at "User:FireBird/monobook.css".[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:45, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::Wow, I didn't know you could do that.....! [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]] 23:37, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

== Back Links ==

I was just wondering, does anyone else think it'd be a good idea to have little links at the top and/or bottom of pages that return to the main page that links to it? For example, [[flashback]] would have a link at the top that would say something like "Back to [[Strong Bad Email]]" (maybe with some cool border around it). I think it'd make browsing around the site easier. For me, anyway. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]] 22:41, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
Back to [[Strong Bad Email]]> 
it could maybe look like that

:I think a link to the page would do just fine instead of a template and all that. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

::I love the idea of the link back, but I think the border is a little much. ~ [[User:señor|»ßenit, known as señor«]]

:::K, screw the template. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

::::This sounds like a good idea, but isn't it already half done? There's a link to [[Strong Bad Email]] in [[:Template:Strong Bad Email]]. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 15:45, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::It's also in the navigation bar on the left side of the screen. And there's the browser back button. Plus many pages link from more than one place. Unfeasable, and unneeded, in my opinion. ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|?]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|?]]</tt>'' 01:55, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::::::Note, I just deleted that template and copied the style span here. The only thing I added was the closing span tag.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:58, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::Well, about the browser back button, many times I click on the discussion page, maybe click edit, then maybe article again so when I want to go back I end up hitting back 3-4 times. Otherwise, do you think we should make those sbemail templates for other things like toons, too? [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

== Unused images ==

I've just been looking at the [[Special:Unusedimages|unused image list]], and it suprises me just how many there are. Some are not needed anymore (to pick at random, "sketchbook serpented.PNG" is a good example), while some appear to be for personal use, but never used on the wiki itself (see images 90 to 102, and others). Should somebody delete some of these, or at least put them on their respective pages? (providing they are not redundant or personal) --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 16:29, 3 May 2005 (BST)

== Interwiki Links ==

I think the [[HR:|interwiki links]] are ugly in the default stylesheet. I'd like to change them to look identical to [http://www.homestarrunner.com external links], but I'm not sure that would be the best way to do things. Anyone else have ideas? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:51, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

:I like them how they are. Light blue without the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Talk:Main_Page#Interwiki_Links tiny arrow] is interwiki, and with the arrow is external. Dark blue is internal. It always made sense to me. It's also the standard on Wikipedia and every other MediaWiki site that I can recall. If people really don't like it, they can always adjust their personal CSS in their user page.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:31, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::Actually, now that I'm thinking straight, the interwiki links I was looking at were ''visited'' interwiki links. I don't like that particular shade of blue. I guess I'll go change my own stylesheet. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 04:25, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Heh, you just visit too many interwiki links then. Hmm. That's c00. Oops, I mean, that's 00c. Er, that's cool.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:55, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::::Actually, now that I've examined the stylesheet, there really wasn't a difference between visited or unvisited interwiki links. It really was a dirty looking shade of blue. I've changed the global stylesheet so that interwiki links and external links are the same color. I won't add the arrow to interwiki links though, even though I'd like to since they are technically still outgoing links. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:11, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

== Strong Bad Email link in navigation box ==

Does anyone actually use the Strong Bad Email link in the navigation box to the left? If enough people use it, I suppose we should leave it there, but I'm starting to think it's a little silly. If we link to Strong Bad Email from the sidebar, why don't we link to Toons, Games, Characters, etc. from the sidebar? Where do we draw the line? What makes Strong Bad Email so much more important than other pages? Just a thought. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:35, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

:I think it is a very busy link. As much as we like to remain NPOV, Strong Bad Emails are quite the popular feature of homestarrunner.com. The Brothers Chaps seem to acknowledge this in their focus on the emails, and perhaps the fact that they are so often updated is another reason to keep it. I don't know what others think, but I think the link can stay.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:40, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::Same here. ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|?]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|?]]</tt>'' 01:56, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::I use it a lot. I think we should put it below "H*R.com updates" though. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 05:56, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Done. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:12, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

== Something's Up... ==

Hey, has this been popping up for anybody else?

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the
software. The last attempted database query was: (SQL query hidden) from
within function "MediaWikiBagOStuff:_doquery". MySQL returned error "1062:
Duplicate entry 'hrwiki_mwiki:messages:Sitenotice' for key 1 (localhost)".

I'm sure it's a MediaWiki glitch, but I wanted to see if anyone else is having this problem. If an admin could help out, it would be greatly apreciated. Thanks! --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 20:38, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

:I've gotten this too. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

::I've seen it several times, too. Perhaps we should sic [[User:Tom|Tom]] and [[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] on it. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:44, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

:::I wish I were as smart as them. They're like, amazing. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

::::It's all a matter of learning by doing. Go get Apache, PHP (zipped version, NOT installer), MySQL and PHPMyAdmin, set them up on a Windows machine (mostly automatic), and start playing around. Find someone who already knows about these things, so you have someone to turn to when things don't go your way. Then write a small program of some sort. It could be anything - for me, my first PHP program was a POKéMON management system that kept track on your POKéMON and their training, whilst calculating various things about them, but that's probably too high a starting point for most people. ^_^ --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:25, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

It just happened to me again. It wasn't too bad a while ago, but now, it's becoming more frequent. To reiterate: Something's up... --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 20:53, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

:Same here, I just got two in as many minutes. The only thing I recognize in there is the [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice|site notice]], but I don't think that helps here. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 22:18, 6 May 2005 (BST)

::I've gotten it too a couple of times. Never really thought too much about it. I've done a few database queries and [[Wikipedia:grep]]s on the MediaWiki software, but I haven't found anything.
::I may need a new database dump if I'm to make an indepth analysis and find out what's wrong - the error didn't occur until after I got my copy, so if it's database-related, I wouldn't have the error here. However, I've got an idea as to what it might be, so if Tom'd be so kind as to run a single query on the database for me, and tell me the result, I might be able to find the solution that way.
::The query that needs to be run is <tt>SELECT * FROM cur WHERE cur_title LIKE '%sitenotice'</tt>. Since the error is periodic, rather than permanent, it probably won't return a useful result, but it's worth a shot.
::Oh, if anyone has seen the error WITHOUT the query hidden (can sysops do that? Or maybe Tom?), it would help me immensly if you could tell me what the query is. That way, I can see what exactly is causing the error, and locate the PHP file sending that query to MySQL. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:25, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
:::Actually, scratch that. I think I has the solution!
:::I need a sysop to go to [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] and put a single dash (-) as the article text - similar to what they have at [[Wikipedia:MediaWiki:Sitenotice]]. Appearantly, there's an issue somewhere that causes odd behavior when it's blank, but the dash will work as if it were blank.
:::With a little luck, that should do the trick. I haven't gone in-depth with the issue, though, I just remembered reading somewhere that it should be a dash instead of blanked. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:30, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

::::Done. I did notice that this started to happen after I blanked the sitenotice. Let's see if the dash fixes it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:37, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::See, this is the problem with periodic errors - they don't appear when you want them to. :P (Oh, I edited my above post slightly - it's such an obvious quote that I '''had''' to use it :)) --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:51, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Arg. I got the error again just now when trying to save changes to [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]].

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a
bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
(SQL query hidden)
from within function "MediaWikiBagOStuff:_doquery". MySQL
returned error "1062: Duplicate entry 'hrwiki_mwiki:messages'
for key 1 (localhost)".

Does this mean there's corruption in another db record? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:40, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
:Well, it's not the same error message, so the problem is elsewhere in the database (the fix might be the same, though). I suggest you keep a lookout for whether or not it appears again, since it COULD be an isolated incident.
:I'm slightly puzzled with the error returned by this one, since it seems to suggest that there's a problem with a '''namespace'''... but I might be wrong there. I'll take a quick peek at my dump and see if I can come up with anything.
:BTW, if it's possible, it would be nice if you could enable display of these queries, at least for sysops (such as yourself). This would help a lot with finding the error quickly. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:12, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
:Added 21:29, 13 May 2005 (UTC): The only thing that comes to mind is if the article/message has no title. I did actually find two of these in my dump - shown by the query <code><nowiki>SELECT * FROM cur WHERE cur_title=''</nowiki></code> - but neither of these are in the namespace suggested by the error message. -- [[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike>

== More interwiki links? ==

I've been thinking lately it would be nice if we set up Videlectrix, Thorax Corp, and Mellow Mushroom as sister sites. This would make it possible for us to create interwiki links to them in the same way we currently link to Homestar Runner. If I set these up, how should I do the links? I was thinking "Videlectrix" for Videlectrix, "Thorax" for Thorax Corp., and "Mushroom" for Mellow Mushroom.

And speaking of Mellow Mushroom, does anyone else think we should be transcribing those toons as well? I know we are only a Homestar Runner knowledge-base, but Mellow Mushroom is a big part of TBC lore. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 22:39, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, I wondered if we were going to do that on [[HRWiki talk:Projects]]. It's a good idea (I mean, if we link to Wikipedia we should link to those). And, we might as well do MM transcripts.....
:Oh yeah and maybe an interwiki link to the H*R store, too. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]] 03:10, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

:And we should also have interwiki links to the forum, I guess. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 07:48, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

::[[Mellow Mushroom]] transcripts and articles have been nixed on the respective [[Talk:Mellow Mushroom|talk page]] for a long time. The toons are not written by The Brothers Chaps, they simply did the animation. I do not think we need an interwiki link for that either. Videlectrix and Thorax seem alright though.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:48, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

I've added the [[HRStore:|Homestar Runner store]], [[Videlectrix:|Videlectrix]], and [[Thorax:|Thorax Corp.]] to our interwiki links. I've also styled them for standards-compliant browser users. We should start changing links to these three places all over the wiki. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:49, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

== Thousand ==

One thousandth article. That's pretty cool. I should probably celebrate... oh! I know! article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article... forget it. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 02:15, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

:The ten millionth page view and 100,000th edit are coming soon[[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]
:page view, page view, page view, page view, page view, page view, page view, page view...

== New blockquote style... ==

I've created a new default style for blockquotes.

<blockquote>This is a quoted block of text. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Vivamus vestibulum. Quisque adipiscing. Proin bibendum justo eu nunc. Nam pulvinar, ligula vel accumsan vestibulum, wisi sem vehicula leo, vitae condimentum nisl erat vitae nisl. Vivamus lacinia, est in rhoncus lacinia, enim magna tristique sapien, nec suscipit lorem magna at tortor. Pellentesque iaculis diam vel elit. Nunc a felis vel odio fringilla sollicitudin. Nullam et ipsum. Pellentesque porta nisl in justo. Pellentesque malesuada lacus sed elit. Vestibulum rutrum mi et mauris. Praesent sit amet quam. Phasellus rhoncus ipsum et mi egestas sagittis. Maecenas vel massa id lectus commodo faucibus. Integer varius blandit quam. Etiam dapibus mi nec nunc. Pellentesque eu felis quis ante rhoncus porta.

Donec pulvinar. Duis malesuada leo tempor mi. In orci odio, dictum varius, porttitor sit amet, accumsan ac, turpis. Integer tincidunt, dolor vel consequat vulputate, turpis quam bibendum odio, blandit lobortis nunc dui sit amet arcu. Mauris euismod libero sed leo. Mauris luctus risus sit amet justo. Class aptent taciti sociosqu ad litora torquent per conubia nostra, per inceptos hymenaeos. In vel libero in leo ullamcorper luctus. Integer ante nibh, lobortis in, fermentum eu, aliquet ac, ante. Etiam ornare. Mauris eleifend. Cras vel massa. Phasellus erat lacus, auctor vel, aliquam et, ullamcorper eget, urna. Praesent vestibulum lacinia odio. In nec dui ac mi sodales facilisis. Nunc laoreet turpis et tellus.</blockquote>

Only problem now is you have to put in your own <code>p</code> and <code>br</code> tags. Is there any way to do a blockquote with wiki formatting? What does everyone think of the style? (If you aren't seeing it, try Ctrl-F5 to do a hard refresh.) — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 21:06, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

:What about something more to differentiate, such as a blue line on the left side, or what would be really cool, a giant ' { ' to stretch from the top to the bottom along the left side. I think it needs something easily noticible, probably different colored. '''EDIT:''' My bad, looks like it's got the blue line now. I still think the stretching '{' would be pretty cool though... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 22:27, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
::A stretching "{" would be very hard to do. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]
::Otherwise, you can put it in the css as like heading 5 so it's like <nowiki>"======Blockquote Text======"</nowiki>, but I don't know if you'd want to do that. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

:::Yeah, the blue line was there from the start. Those of you who aren't seeing it should try a hard refresh (Ctrl+F5). — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 14:43, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

::Is that a idea of what to repace ''{stuff like this}'' with? If so, I don't like it as much. Sorry. -- '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]''''' 15:53, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

:::I think some of you might be utterly confused. A <code>blockquote</code> is used for quoting large blocks of text. It won't be used as header level 5 or to replace curly braces. It will be used instead of <code>pre</code> when quoting things like emails. See [[Talk:Penguin Brothers Interview - 26 May 2003]] for a good example of what I'm talking about. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:20, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

==kitkorp==

[http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/ kitkorp sub-page dealie]

<strike>Shouldn't we have some kinda page for this? What exactly is this, is this another 'museum' type thing the brothers chaps made for inquisitive folks like us? Shouldn't we have some kind of guiding walkthrough or something for this page? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:07, 20 May 2005 (UTC)</strike>

:Ah, I see. Fansite mirror of entire website with bonus old data. Gotcha. Clever. Never mind... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:42, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

== suggestion for front page ==

I think the front page here would greatly benefit from having a box with the 5 or so most recent updates from the [[H*R.com updates]] page. I hate when I come here to see what's new on hr.com and I have to click links, instead of just seeing. what do you think?

:1. Please sign your posts, by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> after them. 2. It is a good idea, and we've been working on incorperating it into a new main page. It's been under some discussion [[User_talk:JoeyDay/Main_Page_Mock-up#What.27s_new|here]]. Welcome to the wiki. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:20, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

::Speaking of main page changes, I think the [[User:JoeyDay/Main_Page_Mock-up|new main page layout]] is ready to go live sometime this week. I'd really appreciate some last-minute feedback on the [[User talk:JoeyDay/Main Page Mock-up|talk page]]. Most notably, we need [[HRWiki:Featured article nominations|nominations for featured articles]]. Thanks. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 03:41, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

*Joey Day you rock! THe Main Page looks Shuper Shweet! [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 19:01, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

== The New Main Page ==
Let me be the first to thank [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] for all of his hard work in getting this new main page up and running. Suggestions to make this page better? Questions/Comments? Post 'em here! {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:50, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

:I think the new Main Page is hawt. However, I'm not a fan of the small-caps in the "Browse the Knowledge-Base" section. It works fine for the sub-headings (e.g. "Features", "Weeklies"), but not so much for the links themselves. IMHO. Anyway, great work Joey. — [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 18:53, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

::I kindof like the small-caps for all the nav items, but I wouldn't be opposed to making the "browse" section normal-caps if enough people really want it. So, what say ye? Anyone else not like the small-caps in the browse section? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:14, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

::I would like it normal- as in, capitalize the first letter of the word. It makes it look a bit cluttered and stuffed like it is now. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 21:07, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

:I personally think that the new [[Main Page]] is awesome. I like how you can post a pic from the newest toon/game!! --[[User:kerrek slaya|kerrek slaya]] 19:03, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

:I like it. Great jorb! --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]|[[User talk:acekirby13|My Talk]] 19:39, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

:WOW surprised me that this design is finally up. Good job! [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

:I am dissapointed mainly because now there is no link to STUFF. Personally, I think STUFF should be added to the navigation bar/ [[User:TakuaKaita600|TK600]] 22:16, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah, where's the quick links to STUFF, Sightings, WikiTroll and the like? Other than that, I like it. -- '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]''''' 00:57, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Wikitroll and STUFF can be found at [[HRWiki:The Stick|The Stick]]. I think Sightings can fit somewhere on the Main Page. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 03:01, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

::::Sightings is still on the main page. It's in the "Miscellany" section (it's been there since the new layout went live). STUFF and WikiTroll are linked to from The Stick. In fact, I just added a Quick Menu box to The Stick to facilitate easier navigation. The main reason for moving those links is that the Main Page is the pretty face we present to visitors and users. It should really only contain links to the actual content of the knowledge-base. With the creation of The Stick, we finally have a separate place to move maintenance type links out of the way. Does this make sense? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:14, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

:I think that maybe the text should be smaller...I opened it up and was like, "Who set the text size so big?" But then I checked the navigation bar and saw it was normal. But anyway, I think it's awesome! It's like Wikipedia. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 03:05, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

::The reason it looks so big is because every word is capitalized, just the first word is bigger. In my opinion, it would look better normal, but it doesn't really matter either way.{{User:FireBird/sig}} 03:10, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

:::The "welcome" message is actually in a larger font. Everything else is normal. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:14, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

== What The... ==

What the crap happened to the main page? Who edited it?? -Kinsey

:JoeyDay updated it, Kinsey. You can check the status by clicking [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=history here]. JoeyDay does awesome work. --[[User:The Paper|The Paper]] 21:36, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

I gotta be honest, I don't like it. I guess it takes getting used to. But who asked me? -Alice

== What's New? ==

Shouldn't any user be allowed to edit that section? I propose that we make that section a template and link to the template from the main page. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 19:03, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

*Agreed. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 19:05, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

::Er... [[Template:whatsnew|it is a template]]. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 19:06, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

== Low Bandwith? ==
I remember on 5/28 to 6/1 or something close that the bandwidth was down. Why? Too many viewers?-user, not signed in.

:Yes, essentially, too many visitors. We use an incredible amount of bandwidth here and it just keeps growing. We were lucky that we didn't pass the limit until close to the end of the month. The best solution to the bandwidth problems is to [[HRWiki:Donations|help us pay our hosting costs]]. — [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 13:48, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::Same thing happened last month for two hours or so.[[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

:::Happened to me, too
: No need to point that out - it happened to EVERYBODY between those dates. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 15:42, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps HRWIKI has other reasons to use them or is getting a better deal, but the transfer limits on Goleman's $50 plan (as per their products page) seems to be low. Could this be addressed with Goleman Networks without additional funding? — ''gsw''

:I'm not sure what you're looking at, because there isn't a $50 plan on Goleman Networks' product page, but you're right. The numbers on that page are pretty low. Fortunately, Mr. Goleman is a good friend of mine and he's giving us an awesome deal: 150 GB per month at $50 per month — and it's still not enough! — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:47, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::Unless you can get Mr. Goleman to give you a better deal, maybe you should try switching the default skin to a less bandwidth-intensive layout, such as Standard or CologneBlue. If users would rather have Monobook, they can just register and change their preferences. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 16:56, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:::However we resolve this, we should ''not'' change the default skin. It's so integrated into how people design pages, it would be disasterous to switch. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:17, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::::I personally see little difference in how the actual articles look when viewing them in a different skin - even MySkin, which has nothing pre-defined.
::::The only thing that doesn't port over straight away are the new blockquote-styles - but that's just because they've only been implemented for Monobook. It should be possible to transfer it by a simple copy/paste.
::::Or is your concern that the styles used in places like [[Main Page]] would not match the skin used? I don't consider that an issue myself - no one's saying the articles must use the exact same kind of formatting as the skin. Besides, it would depend on which skin we switched to.
::::Nevertheless, the PNG optimization mentioned below is definetively worth looking into first - I could well imagine this would cause a huge difference if applied to the images we have. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pidgeot|(e)]] 04:37, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:Sorry, I meant Products->Hosting, which shows a 5 GB limit. Sounds like you've got it covered, though. 'Nuff said. — ''gsw''

If the HRWiki is really using that much bandwidth, optimizing frequently used images is probably a good idea. I took around 6 kB off the logo by running it through Optipng (uploaded to [[:Image:wiki.png]]). I'd suggest a similar treatment for other interface graphics. On the English Wikipedia, the logo was transmitted enough that knocking 500 '''bytes''' off the size was beneficial enough to bother with. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 23:15, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)

== *Tink* easter egg ==

Well, i found something that isn't useful, but is a bit unusual. In the main menu 4, (the bowling one) if you roll your mouse over the games sign 1 time, it will leave 2 pins standing. If you do it again, it produces a *tink* sound.

:Hmmmmm... Well... Ummm.... Wow. Just... Wow. Actually, it's already been meantioned [[Main Page 4|here]]. This is more the place for discussions about the Wiki Main Page, or the Wiki as a whole. This comment probably would have been best directed [[Talk:Main Page 4|here]]. We do appreciate the input and watchfullness though, just try and direct most comments to their respective talk pages. And welcome to the wiki. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:09, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Possible Troll? ==

Call me crazy, but I not only clicked on the new email rap link, I checked it against the website. As of this moment, the email rap is still the same as it was. Is somebody trolling? --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 14:51, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:No, this is valid. The scroll buttons rap has been changed. Hit refresh, or something. Your browser is probably being stupid. --[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 14:55, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Wiki interview ==
As of now we are the biggest Homestar Runner fan-site. We have everything, everyone and every-toon cataloged and transcribed in their own page. But still, there are so much we don't know for sure, like:
*Is [[Stickly Man]] realy [[The Poopsmith]]?
*Is [[Homsar]] [[The Bossman]]?
*Who is the [[Unnamed Characters|Unnamed Girl]]?
*Or [[The Unguraits]]?
*Did a certain character realy refered to a certain thing in pop-colture/game/other toon when he said/did something?
*Did a character realy said this, or that?
*Is [[Creepy Comb-Over Strong Bad]] realy [[Senor Cardgage]]?
*What was TBC's real part in [[Mellow Mushroom]]?
*What was the deal with [[Puppet Jam: Mission Control]]? Was it an actual puppet thing they had on the site and removed? Or was it just a joke?
*And so on.

If we want to answer these questions and others, I think we sould ask for an intrview fron the brothers Chaps and ask them those questions so we can stop arguing over this silly things. [[User:E.L. Cool|E.L. Cool]] 12:20, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:I've always wondered why they labled one of the [[Floppy Disk Container]]s 'Hypou Blade' instead of 'Hyper Blade'. Among other things... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 02:07, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::So let's make a list of questions to TBC and just ask them! [[User:E.L. Cool|E.L. Cool]] 04:41, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::Well sure, you can always email them and try your hand at getting a reply. Beyond that though... Don't know if there's much you can do to ENSURE a reply. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:34, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::::Its worth a shot, sure. I think if people have any particularly pressing comments they should add them to the list above..However I would be cautious; more likely than not TBC left some of these minor details ambiguous, and probably don't really think that they are big enough points to merit an "interview"...However, without my pessimist side showing I think its a good idea! -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]]

::::Hmmm.. I ''would'' try my hand at this but English is not my primary language. It takes me like, 5 minutes to write this thing here. If it was Hebrew on the other hand... :) [[User:E.L. Cool|E.L. Cool]] 06:07, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==Internet==
<blockquote>We're currently working on # articles about our favorite internet cartoon.</blockquote>
should be
<blockquote>We're currently working on # articles about our favorite Internet cartoon.</blockquote>

Confused? Read [http://www.answers.com/internet&r=67 this]. --'''[[User:porplemontage|Steve]]''' (''[[User talk:porplemontage|talk]]'') 23:12, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Fixed.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:31, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==MediaWiki 1.5==

Will the H*R Wiki and the H*R Fanstuff Wiki be upgrading to [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.5 MediaWiki 1.5]?

While I'm here, I'll just outline some of the new features of 1.5:
*Able to edit the [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/MediaWiki:Sidebar sidebar] a whole lot easier
*Random [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Randompage/Image images], [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Randompage/Category categories], [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Randompage/User user pages], etc.
*Quickly [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Log/move revert moved pages] (for sysops)
*New image uploads only generate one entry in [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Recentchanges Recent Changes] instead of two
*Page moves are logged in [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php?title=Stupidpage&action=history Page History]
*You can choose what name Images [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Upload upload as]
*Possible to choose the namespace in [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Recentchanges Recent Changes]
*A new Print tab

The [[Wikipedia:Main Page|English Wikipedia]] has already upgraded. -- [[User:Super Sam|Super Sam]] 13:30, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:I'd suggest waiting a bit. MW 1.5 is still beta, and they keep discovering new and exciting bugs each time they upgrade a different Wikipedia. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 13:45, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::I think if the Wikipedia has already upgraded, it's good enough for us. -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 14:01, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:::Yeah, it's still beta. It looks great, but we are going to wait until it's a stable release. And probably a itsy-bit longer.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:17, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:::Wikipedia DELIBERATELY use the betas to help find and iron out bugs (after all, MediaWiki was developed for that site). Beta is not suitable for most sites, as there's almost guaranteed to be problems. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 15:34, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:Remember that the Mediawiki developers and the Wikimedia technical crew are pretty well one and the same. When your sysadmins wrote the thing, you can live a little closer to the edge. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 02:08, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::And just to drive the point home, MediaWiki 1.5b2 has been released, which fixes some exciting security holes, including at least one SQL injection bug. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 04:34, 7 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:::MediaWiki 1.5b3 is out. I set a wiki up with it, but I still notice a few bugs. But it looks great. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]
::Whatever happens, making it doesn't clear the history of the Fanstuff Wiki again. -- [[User:65.188.59.31|65.188.59.31]] 02:38, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)

== Articles Needing Merging ==

I think we should have both a template, and a category for articles that need to be merged. For instance, [[Cardboard Marzipan]] should be merged with [[Minor Alternate Versions]] (yes, I know this has happened already.) I think the template would go something like this: 
<div class="boilerplate metadata" style="padding: .1em; margin: 3px; width: auto; background: #EDF1F1; border: 1px solid #999999; text-align: center;">
'''This article, <nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki>, is up for merging with <nowiki> [[{{{1}}}]]. To voice your opinions on this, please see this page's [[Talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk article]]</nowiki>'''</div>
[[:Category:Articles Needing Merging]] 
Anybody have any opinions on this? --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 17:31, 7 July 2005 (BST)

:Note that we have [[HRWiki:Projects#Things to Merge]] and [[HRWiki:Cleanup#Merge and Redirect]] already.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:20, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I didn't know that. I guess I should go look around the wiki a bit more. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 16:58, 6 July 2005 (BST)

== The System Is Down, Yo ==

Homestarrunner.com seems to be down intermittently. And before sbemail133 comes out. It did the same thing last night. Blasted bandwidth issues... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:51, 11 Jul 2005 (UTC)

What? When did that happen? I never got that problem. --[[User:Darklinkskywalker|Darklinkskywalker]] 20:45, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)

On Monday when he wrote it? -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 03:51, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)

It's been over a week since TBC have updated the site as of July 11th to today. --{{User:Darklinkskywalker/DLSsignature}} 17:48, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)

==Tell TBC about the wiki?==
I got an idea, but I couldn't think of anywhere else to post it. So anyway, on the end credits on a [http://www.bonusstages.com/bs60.html certain episode of BonusStage], the creator mentions the [http://www.bswiki.com The Bonus Stage Wiki] and says that the wiki is creepy. Because he knows about a wiki for ''his'' cartoon, do TBC know about theirs? If not, maybe we should tell them about what I just wrote, and maybe they'll list us in the credits of one of the toons. I'm not really saying that it's a good idea, but just curious to see what anyone else thinks. --{{User:Darklinkskywalker/DLSsignature}} 02:41, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:I think if they notice us on their own, fine, but we should otherwise leave them alone and let them do what they do best. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:57, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::The Chaps are already aware of the wiki. Tom and I have each had brief contact with the Chaps and Craig Zobel through email. Tom also had the opportunity to meet the Chaps at a presentation they gave at NYU, and they discussed the wiki. I don't think it would be appropriate to expect any recognition from them. We're the fans and they are the artists. We're here to give them recognition, not the other way 'round. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:13, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:Interesting about the creep wiki comment. I'd say TBC might say the same about this wiki. I hadn't heard of BonusStage, looks pretty cool!

What about the fanstuff? Do they know about that? -- [[User:Strong Lad|Strong Lad]]

:Yeah, they know about fanstuff. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:48, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Excellent - [[User:Strong Lad|Strong]] [[User talk:Strong Lad|Lad]]

== Hey! My login doesn't work! ==

I've been trying to log in but my password says it's wrong! How?! Whaaaaaaaaa!?!?!?!?!?!?! - [[User:209.104.139.221|209.104.139.221]], Amy Whifflepoof, not in because of this crappy crap problem.
:Maybe you just mistyped it, or confused it with another password. Just try again. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:59, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::Also note that there is an "Email new password" button on the [[Special:Userlogin]] page that might help you out.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:10, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I had a similar problem, Tom and Jay are probebly rite. [[User:24.62.243.222|24.62.243.222]] 18:42, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

== Updates ==

TBC havn't made any new updates on the site lately other than Quote of the Week, Fan Stuff and Sketch Book. I'm getting impatient!!
:They just skipped a week, that's all. Just wait til tomorrow: Monday, the day they usually update.

== Typo on the Main Page ==

Hey, just wanted to let the powers that be know that there is a typo on the main page, in the "featured article" section regarding Strong Sad's Lament. It reads "It originated with in the email website", whereas it should read either "It originated in the email website", "It originated with the email website", or "It originated within the email website". Whoever has access to modify this page please correct this. Thanks!

—[[User:Shawn81|Shawn81]] 13:33, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:Fixed, thanks. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:55, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)

== Okay, so what's the deal??!! ==

I don't mean to sound rude, but I don't know WHAT PAGE TO PUT THIS ON!!??!! But, anyway, to answer the question ONCE AND FOR ALL! Who's all of the CHARACTER'S PARENTS??!!! They have millions of references, and stuff, but WHO THE HECK ARE THEY??!!! ARE THEY REAL??!! I just want to know the FRIGGIN' DEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAALLLLL!!!! Please? - [[User:Brittany|Brittany]] - "I'm 12 years old. Am I the youngest here?"
:No one has ever seen or heard of any of main character's parents, so we don't know who they are. - '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''
::We've heard "of" Strong Mom in a few cartoons. But nothing concrete. Other than her existence. Maybe. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 08:21, 10 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Another Archive ==

I think some more sections on this page should be archived again. Maybe the first 20 or so. This page is already twice as large as the archive, and it always shows the large page warning since it's 76 KB. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

Talk:Main Page

Cyrius — Fri, 15 Jul 2005 03:51:12 GMT

Cyrius: /* The System Is Down, Yo */

<div class="plainlinks" style="font-family: georgia; border: 1px dashed #06f; background: #eef; padding: 0.5em; margin: 0.5em 0.5em 1em; text-align: center;">Main page doesn't look right? 
— [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=purge Purge the cache] —</div>

:''In order to shorten the size of this page, all conversations before the 30th of December have been archived. You can access the archive [[HRWiki:Main Page Talk Archive|here]].''

== Every thing is fine now ==
um what happened the last 3-4 days? i could not get on the wiki --[[User:djm1791|djm1791]] 05:33, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Bandwidth ran out. It's been discussed. Everything is fine. Nothing is ruined. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 05:36, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

but what does that mean & were can i find this discosion? --[[User:djm1791|djm1791]] 05:38, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Bottom of this page, for one. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 05:49, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

thanks --[[User:djm1791|djm1791]] 05:53, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Shouldn't there be a character reference for the Strong brothers' mother? I know we never see her, but she does seem to be around somewhere since they refer to her (as in the SB email, "the facts).

== What the crap? ==

Why am I not on the list of registered users? --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]

:You're number 439.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:42, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)

== 2004/2005 Tsunami Donation Link ==

I was just reading up on the [[Wikipedia:2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake|Indian Ocean Earthquake]] and realized how incredibly horrible this event was, and I'm seriously thinking we need some kind of banner to a donation link to the Wikipedia donation page. Or something like that. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

How very specific your request is.
-[[User:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf|Fhq]]

Fhq, what's your point? It's a good idea, don't give him crap because he's thinking larger than himself.
Bird, perhaps you should send Joey a PM on the forum. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]

:Just in case anyone was wondering, we won't be adding a notice to the Main Page. If you'd like to put a notice on your userpage, that would be acceptable.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:14, 7 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Dubious reference solution ==

Over the past few Strongbad e-mail articles, I've read a lot of (to be frank) farfetched suggestions of references that TBCs are presumably making to other stuff. Maybe, if you're 100% sure that something is intended as a reference (for example, a character name or line very specific to one TV show), then it's fine to say it's a reference. But if something just seems to remind you of something else (for example, a song that sounds kinda-sorta like a song that was played in the 23rd episode of some TV series), then it's more accurate to say that it is '''reminiscent''' of something, rather than a reference to something.

Just a suggestion.

:A wonderful suggestion, and it goes along with the ongoing discussion we are having regarding the overhaul of our current fun fact system. Thank you for your concern and idea.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:52, 13 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Locking down the main page ==

I visited today and noticed that the main page had been defaced. Someone else restored the last known good version, but it seems to me that the front page should not be editable by just anyone for this exact reason. Even the main page of Wikipedia is off-limits to anyone except staff...
:Yes, I want the main page protected as well... [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]-<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|?</tt>]] 14:05, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)
-It happened again. This must be done NOW.

:Look, the template does nothing to prevent trolling; it's a redundancy. Locking down the Main Page is a good way to go, since nothing really changes there, anyway. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 14:26, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

I find it funny how the MediaWiki's been around for at least 5 months now and only NOW are people starting to complain about wanting the Main Page locked down. Personally, I think it's prime idiot bait, as in "if you deface the main page, you're automatically not fit to be on the wiki." --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 15:02, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

You could have a way to detect whether someone is severely defaceing the page or not. --[[User:67.161.224.65|67.161.224.65]]

::Okay, due to several requests and the seeming lack of need to update the Main Page, I've protected it. Please note that I do not like having it protected, this being a wiki and all, but I agree that it really doesn't need to be edited that much and is just sitting there as troll fodder. Thanks to all who helped with that last batch of defacement.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:12, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

:::I never change the main page, so I'm pretty happy with that, but I do have one concern. Might the Trollers who automatically go to work on the Main Page to start with, now be forced to move onto smaller, harder to detect defacements on other pages? What if we're only spreading the diease? [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'']] 18:46, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::::A good concern, and lucky for me I have this wonderful ditty to cite:
::::''...the fact is that for every troll with too much spare time, there are 100 users with just as much spare time ready and eager to undo that troll's (un)work. The fact is, the trolls always get bored before the users do, because the users are emotionally invested in what they've created and the Wiki moves fast enough that the average trolling only lasts about two minutes before it's reverted. A troll's work is hardly ever noticed by anybody, but a legitimate user's work is always noticed and appreciated. That's why wikis work. — InterruptorJones 15:37, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)'' ([[User_talk:FireBird#Question_from_Troll|ref]])
::::Simply put, that's just how wikis work. We'll notice no matter where or how small, and they will get tired.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:55, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::::::That is, unless said troll or trolls are emotionally invested in destroying the wiki. --Guest

::Good answer, thanks. Come to think of it, I guess if everyone has on their watchlist the pages they created, or just care for, then likely whatever page is edited will be watched by SOMEBODY. Thanks for the quick reply. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'']] 17:36, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)

Well, I want to edit the main page. I have a feature in mind that I think would be appreciated by all (I know I'll use it), but would require a little updating every now and again. How about you just make the main page editable by registered members? Disallow guests from editing it. I await the unlocking to reveal my idea.
--Rgb9000

:If it's such a great idea, why can't you just say it? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 00:25, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Fair question. I want to do the actual edit so that I'll be properly credited in the history for the implementation. --[[User:Rgb9000|Rgb9000]] 01:28, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Well, it's a Wiki, so you can't really take credit beyond putting on your userpage that you were the one to do something. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 01:45, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Is it making a link to the newest (H*R) updates on the main page (to the pages of the updates themselves, not to the updates page)? Because that would be quite nice. (but would require updating every week or so). -- 82.81.whatever

== Rejects? ==
Where did Rejects go?? What the? -- Asploder

:Away. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 23:57, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)

::Yes, they're all categorised now, but I don't know where they went. [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|?</tt>]] 18:08, 14 Feb 2005 (MST)

They all went to better places. Characters are now characters, items are now classified as items. Fancy that ;) [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 21:48, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

== Confusion over moving dates ==

The [[Main Page]] says that HRWiki will be moving 'from early Friday morning (Feb. 25) to late Sunday evening (Feb. 27)', but every other page says 'early Friday morning (Mar. 4) to late Sunday evening (Mar. 6)'. Someone should probably fix that on the main page, as it appears it's not closed presently. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 05:04, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)

:The date changed. A hard refresh (likely ctrl+F5) of the Main Page should clear your cache and solve the problem.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:16, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

== New ==

Hi, I'm new and not on the list.--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 09:19, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)
:Yes you are, you're number 895 →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 09:50, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

what number am i?--[[User:Harry|Harry]] 10:03, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Here, [[Special:Listusers|find out for yourself]]. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 10:46, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Thanks--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 11:10, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Favorite Character List ==
It think it might be nice if some o' you guys set up a "Most Popular Character" page to find out who are the most popular main characters in the Homestar Runner universe. There seems to be enough wiki users here to get an accurate idea. In this page, people would say who their favorite character is on the talk section (and their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc favorite as well if they want.) and then someone would add them all up into a graph to show who are the most/least popular character and so on. (And remember, MAIN characters only) To keep things simple, it could be a character would get 8 "popularity points" for being a first favorite, 7 for second, 6 for third, and so on. Whoever gets the highest popularity points goes in the most favorite section. Also, only registered users count. I dunno... this could be difficult and messy and inaccuriate, but if done right it could be very interesting.
Anyways... opinions anyone? --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 15:46, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Sorry, but this here's a vote for no. I think it could be a good idea under a different venu, such as the [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page Fanstuff Wiki], or perhaps a poll in the [http://forum.hrwiki.org/ Forum]. But since this is simply a knowledge base, it wouldn't really fit in too well.
[[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'']] 16:37, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

::I agree with Thunderbird. It's just not necessary. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::What if it was made in Fanstuff Wiki? Don't care too much if it never happens. Besides, I wouldn't have the know-how and stuff to make a page like that anyway. Someone else would have had to do it. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 17:09, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

::::Yeah, that'd be awesome. Run with it. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::::I went and I ran with it. You can check it out in the Interactive section of Fanstuff H*R Wiki. :) It's called, "Character Popularity"--[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 16:47, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

We all Know That SB is gonna be most poplular, or Maybe Pom Pom. After all, He is the most Mackinest.[[User:Goblin Hammer]]

== Article of the day? ==

Why not have a featured article like Wikipedia?

:We don't have any featured articles, so we couldn't have a featured article of the day.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:49, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

::We could do it like the Fark.com [http://216.32.91.95/Main_Page Wiki] does it. Each month has 7 articles (one for each day of the week) that rotate around every week (with a new set every month). For instance, you create a page called [[HRWiki:Featured article/Tuesday, March]] then just do an include on the main page like:

<nowiki>== Featured article ==</nowiki> 
<nowiki>{{HRWiki:Featured article/{{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTMONTH}}}}</nowiki>

That would run automatically for a whole month with only 7 articles. --[[User:noclip|noclip]] 18:53, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

:The fact remains that we still don't have featured articles.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:05, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)
::You don't need to "have" them. You can just make em. Start a poll of which articles should be on the front page, take those and copy-paste them into HRWiki:Featured article/Whatever day and use that link on the front page.

== New logo ==

How about it?

[[Image:hrwlogoidea-fixed.png]]

[[User:noclip|noclip]] 18:59, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

::I had this alternate too

[[Image:hrlogowithhr.png]]

[[User:noclip|noclip]] 19:26, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

:I like the one with the dropshadow, but would be happy with either of them... [[User:Glutnix|Glutnix]] 03:03, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)

I've started a "Poll" about this

:Sorry, but we don't do polls. I've deleted your poll page accordingly.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:02, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
::JoeyDay told me to start one. It was just to see whether the users were for it. He said it was okay and that the decision would be left up to the admins anyway. It'd have been nice if you protected the page and posted the results instead of straight up deleting it.

:::Well, if it matters, I really don't like the green "Wiki". Another color would look nice.
:::And Homestar Runner looks a little bit bumpy. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]
::::I would have used another color but TBC pretty much used everything on the logo.

:::::Just because it's been used once doesn't mean you can't use it again. Orange or grey would look nice (I think). →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::The first one looks great. I don't know about the green, but it looks better than the current logo. {{User:Rainer/sig}}

::::The first one is perfect. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:10, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)

:::::I love them both! Actiually, contrary to what these folks are saying, I like the green (probably because it's my favourite colour... xD). But I agree that Homestar looks bumpy. The first ones real nice, though.

::On second thought, the green looks nice, actually. {{User:Rainer/sig}}

:I think that the first one is incredible! Nice work! I love the green! →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 14:32, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)

:I Think the second one should be used. I prefer it over the one that's up now. And I also like the green "wiki". That logo looks really, really nice. But as for the first one... I don't know, the drop shadow just doesn't look H*Rish, and it's good to see H*R (the character) on the logo. In conclusion... the second one. --[[User:70.25.9.49|70.25.9.49]] 01:52, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
::Have you seen the H*R loading screen? It's got the drop shadow.
:::Yeah, but the logo in the loading screen is round, and I think the shadow isn't quite as dark. With the "Wiki" in there, the shadow looks like it should be more complex, but then it would be too realistic. Well, that's how I feel about it.

:Though I am leaning toward the second logo, I like the first one almost as much (the green isn't a problem to me). Both logos are pretty good. Nice job. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 16:33, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Not to be a picky monkey, but they look a tad bit jaggy...do ya think you could smooth it out a bit, especially the one with Homestar on it? - [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 16:35, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oh my gosh that rocks out loud I love the green it fits so well. I love it love it love it. For cerial. (does that count as "internet slang"?)--[[User:Because, It's Midnite|Because, It's Midnite]]

I like it. Dropshadow. ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'' 01:09, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Me too. Dropshadow! [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:47, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm not a member but I go on this site all the time and you can't stop me from giving my opinion so... I VOTE DROPSHADOW! -Alice

I love the first one. The green is cool, but maybe a more basic color might apease some members such as black or white? I dunno though I am horrible at graphic design. --[[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 00:25, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

The second one is better in my opinion. Homestar adds some flavor to it. [[ ↔ Rabidfox ®]]

Its' AWESOME! Homestar does add flava, but Blue would be better color than green in the wiki part. [[Goblin hammer]]

==Scared of 1.4.0==
I'm scared of this upgrading to 1.4.0 
I didn't like what it did to the fanstuff. Because... 
1. Different font. It's smaller and I don't like it as much. 
2. History erased. I expecially do not want that to happen. Not to mention it could leave some page histery blank, making them targets for non-revertable trolling. 
So, what I'm trying to say, is that if you can't get past these two problems, I think I'd prefer this wiki staying in the 1.3's. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:37, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
::I ran an upgrade to 1.4 a week ago on a pretty big wiki (~200 articles), it went seamlessly. The main page was defaulted, but that was easily reversible through history. Other than that, it shouldn't mess anything up. My thoughts, go ahead and do the upgrade.
:::Well, look at what happened to Fanstuff Wiki. Almost all history was erased, the font is smaller and uploading pictures doesn't work. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 06:20, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Character Evolution, The Stick ==

I posted the first of my suggestions on the discussion page for the FAQ, which of course was not the right place. If it doesn't make any sense what I am about to say, maybe how I worded it there does.

===Suggestion #1: Character Evolution===

In the [[Character Evolution]] pages, we should not treat the Yello Dello and Reddest Radish versions as designs. We shouldn't even include them on the page (perhaps in a sub-section "Other ways so-and-so has been drawn") because these were NEVER solid designs, they were never intended to be and simply aren't. The ''designs'' themselves are valid when talking about the Reddest Radish but they are still not necessary for the page.

===Suggestion #2: The Stick===

I believe that the Stick should not be treated as an Inside Joke, but rather as a full-fledged 'place.' I think it's earned that title, don't you?

Ok, so everyone leave your thoughts, comment or whatever here. I hope to get these suggestions used.

EDIT: I also believe that [[fhqwhgads]] should return to beign an inside joke.

*I agree with all three of those. Reddest Radish and Yello Dello aren't real designs. --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 15:41, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)

*I wholeheartedly agwee. [[Fhqwhgads]] get your birdie carcus into the da inside joke place, and the Stick, be a place, I guess. [[User:64.12.116.195|64.12.116.195]] 00:59, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

==Editing issues==

For some reason, I can't edit the WikiTroll page. In fact, I can't even edit its talk page! I'm not banned (I can edit other pages just fine.) Every time I try to edit those pages, though, it informs me that I'm trying to edit a page that's just been edited - even though there's no new edit on the Recent Changes page or anywhere else. I was trying to add [[User:160.7.1.12|160.7.1.12]], a repeat offender who defaced [[long pants]] and [[Strong Bad Email]]. Can anyone else edit the WikiTroll page? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 10:31, 6 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:It's a result of the move to MediaWiki 1.4. Lots of people are having problems editing certain pages, including the [[HRWiki:WikiTroll Archive|WikiTroll Archive]], [[Strong Bad's Room Main Page]], [[japanese cartoon]], and most importantly [[HRWiki:WikiTroll|WikiTroll]] and [[HRWiki Talk:WikiTroll|Talk:WikiTroll]]. For more information, go to [[HRWiki Talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4]] --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 17:39, 6 Apr 2005 (BST)
:I too had the same problems editing the WikiTroll and WikiTroll Talk pages, which I posted on the [[HRWiki Talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4]]. Annoying, yes? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 12:48, 6 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:: I know I'm not the only one annoyed by a lack of WikiTroll page. Perhaps we should set up a temporary replacement? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:06, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
::: That sounds like a great idea, since we've had a frustrating number of repeat trolls recently, like that guy who keeps changing the pictures around. We could call it "Temporary WikiTroll". <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 15:06, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:::: I called it [[HRWiki:WikiTroll 2.0|WikiTroll 2.0]]. Too bad I can't edit the main page or the old WikiTroll page to link to it. Sigh. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 18:45, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:::::Great jorb! <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 19:15, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
::::::Now if only a mod would put it in an easily-accessible spot... or acknowledge its existence... --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 23:12, 8 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:::::::So, have none of the mods noticed the WikiTroll problem? Hasn't anyone noticed that the Wiki Troll page hasn't updated since the move? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 04:14, 9 Apr 2005 (MDT)

== Watchlist is acting a little strange... ==

The watchlist is looking a bit weird - what happened? Was the database restored from a backup or something?

''(1 pages watched not counting talk pages; 120000 total pages edited''
''since cutoff; checking watched pages for recent edits... show and''
''edit complete list.)''

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Below are the last '''2''' changes in last '''3''' days.
Show last 1 | 2 | 6 | 12 hours 1 | 3 | 7 days all
'''14 Apr 2005'''
(diff) (hist) . . HRWiki talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4; 23:21 . .
12.2.235.67 (Talk) ''(?Creating a New Account)''
'''3 Apr 2005'''
(diff) (hist) . . '''N''' HRWiki:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4; 11:04 . . Tom
(Talk) ''(Add stuff.)''
--[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pidgeot|(e)]] 13:14, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'm seeing 120000 total pages edited too. You're the first one to notice, but I'm guessing this happens for most/all of users. Looks like my hope that our [[HRWiki talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4|problems since upgrading]] were all fixed has been dashed.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:29, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
::Thing is, this didn't happen at the same time as any of the changes (at least not that I know of). Although, the most obvious culprit is the time zone change, but the problem didn't occur until a while after that happened.
::I just noticed that the total pages edited field is always 40000*days - so if you select 6 hours (0.25 days), it shows 10000. I'd like to know where that figure comes from... but I'd need file and database access to verify, and that would probably be a little too much to ask :) --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pidgeot|(e)]] 23:39, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:I've just seen it as well. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 16:36, 20 April 2005 (BST)
:Same here -- <tt>Posted by: [[User:-erson|-erson]] [[User talk:-erson|Talk]]</tt> 23:41, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:This happened to me too. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 16:20, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
::Pidgeot, if you have any specific queries you need me to run, just ask. I'm all about getting to the bottom of this.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:16, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:::I'm afraid I need to examine things close up for me to try and determine anything - I have a number of ideas, but testing any of them is an extensive process, and it would be much easier to do this myself.
:::Could you possibly supply me with a MySQL database dump and a copy of your MediaWiki installation (in case you have files that for some reason are different from a standard MediaWiki 1.4 installation), so I can work on it remotely? I can supply you with a variety of methods of getting the files to me - FTP, a GMail account to send to, etc. (You can e-mail me if you want to discuss it more privately - just click the (e) in my sig.) --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pidgeot|(e)]] 17:20, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::Heh, I just tried that (e), but it looks like our User email function isn't working for some reason. The link in the toolbox doesn't show up on user pages either. Anyway, send me an email at [mailto:tom@hrwiki.org tom@hrwiki.org] and we'll talk. Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:07, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::::Fixed, thanks to Pidgeot's help. For more information, see [http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1778 MediaWiki bug 1778].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:16, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Refactoring the Main Page ==

How would people feel about having the main page refactored to be more like Wikipedia? I think we've got enough content that we could highlight a different article each week and keep a rolling "did you know" list. I also like Wikipedia's category links at the top of the main page. What does everyone think? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 22:30, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:I suggested this too up in "Article of the Day?" on this page. I fully support it.

::I don't think out category system is set up to be navigated like Wikipedia's is. Additionally, running the "Article of the whatever" would be a full-time job. We'd also need someone to come up with a system. The idea sounds nice, but how would you do it? Remember, the english language Wikipedia has 550 times as many legitimate content articles and 165 times as many registered users as we do.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:22, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::You're right. I don't think we have enough content to run an article of the day, but I wouldn't mind being in charge of a weekly or monthly featured article. It might be nice to set up a page where users could nominate articles to be featured, just to give me ideas. I also wouldn't mind scouting the wiki for strange facts to post in a "did you know" section. In fact, I think that would be fun. In short, I'm willing to do it if people want to see it done. In regard to categories, we could simply use our current [[Toons]], [[Strong Bad Email]], etc. pages instead of pointing to the categories themselves. An "in the news" section (though probably called something else) would also be useful for a quick glance at the most recent toons/emails.

:::As a corollary to this, we would probably want to move specifically wiki-related content off the front page and onto some sort of community portal page. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:14, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::I've created a [[User:JoeyDay/Main Page Mock-up|mock-up]] of my main page idea. Not much different from Wikipedia's main page, but I figure what works for them should work just as well for us. I would of course build a bunch of templates to include most of the content. This is just a start. I don't want to spend too much more time on it unless more people want to see it happen. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:13, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::I'm fully for this new Main Page. It looks great! I think we will be able to have a new article everyweek and everything. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 01:22, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Although the new features are cool, I don't like how it makes the original list of pages less accessable. Much less accessable. -- [[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 01:52, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::I don't like the "Browse" or any of that other stuff on there- one reason I really like this wiki is because it's so simple. Browse and all that other stuff make it sort of confusing. To me, anyways. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

:::The mock up looks nice, but there are still some things I don't think we need. You solved my category issue very well, but like Firebird mentioned, those links in the "Browse" line there are a bit cumbersome, and I can't actually picture someone using them. I think they work for Wikipedia simply because Wikipedia has a lot of subjects. We don't. How would our [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Browse|Browse]] page look?
:::Joshua makes another good point. Quite a few of the article links were left out. This might be because they would end up somewhere else in the new system, but I like having links for things like [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]] on there.
:::Now that I've seen more of the proposal, I'm liking the idea of featured something of the something, and the idea of a "What's new" section on the front page, but I'm not feeling good about the "Did you know?" section. That would be a job and a half for someone to manage.
:::Oh, I noticed for Wikipedia's "anyone can edit" link you went to our :About page. I kind of like the newer [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Introduction|Introduction guide]] that Wikipedia set up back in December. I'd be willing to set that up for us.
:::Oh, and the portal is a great idea too.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:32, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I have laid out a preliminary Categorization scheme on my [[User:Drhaggis|User Page]] for use in the new main page navigation This represents all of the top-level categories. Comments are welcome. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 17:02, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::I've also created a [[User:Tom/Introduction Mock-up|Introduction mock-up]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:35, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::Looks great Tom. Are we getting a community portal? It would be a great non-forum way to discuss the Wiki. If so it should be called "Meet-up at the Stick" or some such thing [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 17:44, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::I think we're seriously considering it, as Joey mentioned it in his mock up and discussion as well. "Meet-up at The Stick" sounds like the right name for it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:49, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::Call me stupid, but I'm not exactly sure what a community portal is. Can anyone explain it to me? →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

:::::Wikipdia has their [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Community Portal|Commnuity Portal]] you could check out. Basically, they don't have a forum and use the wiki itself for discusion of wiki-related topics.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:57, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::Wow, man! Both mock-ups are fantastic! I really hope that they'll be used. [[User:señor|»ßenit, known as señor«]]

==Interviews/Presentations==

Since we're now starting to make pages for genuine interviews of, and presentations by [[TBC]], what about actually putting them somewhere, besides just 'sightings'. I figure that since they're put out BY [[TBC]], and not more or less fanstuff, they should get their own section linked to from the main page, under Wiki Stuff, maybe as 'Interviews' or something, and then as such, sort out all the websites we have with transcrips of interviews and stuff, and transcribe them, maybe put a few fun facts in there, ect, make them all genuine pages. I think it would really add to the usefulness of the Wiki. Any ideas? If the sysops ('''EDIT:''' Hey, That's Me!) are up to adding to the main page, I volunteer to personally spearhead, to an extent, (I'll have much more spare time as of May the 1st), this undertaking, along with transcribing, ect. Plus many of the interviews are already transcribed on the pages we're linked to, our transcriptions could just edit for typos, maybe censor a word or two, but be useful incase these pages are ever shut down, the interviews lost forever. Okay, any comments/suggestions? ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'' 01:08, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Sounds good to me.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:16, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==Signatures==

The signatures look like crap now thanks to 1.4.0

i spent a whole day trying to reformat me signature

then finally i got it.

it is so annoying though but if you want a cool signature like this one :[[User:pertmywert|pertmywert]][[User talk:pertmywert|talk]] copy this:<nowiki>pertmywert]][[User talk:pertmywert|talk</nowiki>

Just replace my name bit's and put in your name

:Actually, 1.4 handles signatures better than previous versions. You just need to make sure your preferences are set correctly.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:23, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I think my Sig is pretty cool... ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'' 22:25, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:I can't see your arrows any more. Is this a font problem or what? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 22:28, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

What? My Arrows? My precious little arrows? I can still see them. Keep on Arrowing, my Arrowies. Seriously though, can you not see them? If not, does anyone have any ideas why? I like my arrows. ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'' 22:42, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:In order to see the arrows, you must have Japanese fonts installed. These can be installed through the Control Panel. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 13:49, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::You're so smart. Yay for Pidgeot! →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

:::Yup, I can see them on my laptop which has Japanese fonts installed. Cool. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 00:47, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::Sweet, kinda like a special little easter egg only if you have the right font. Btw, here's another 'easter egg', just finished it today, and it'll only work on my sig starting now. Try clicking on the two arrows individually... ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|?]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|?]]</tt>'' 04:57, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::::Cute addition. You should have some sort of.... arrow... rap. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 05:24, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::::"Arrows in the front, arrows in the back, get down get down, offa that [[secret recipies|smoke stack!]]." Hows that? ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|?]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|?]]</tt>'' 05:29, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==Borders==
So it's not that big of a deal or anything, but I think thin black borders around the current logo would look awesome. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''
:Yeah, you might have something there. Here's what they might like:
::[http://img2.echo.cx/img2/5051/req69bg.png Medium]
::[http://img2.echo.cx/img2/6681/req77er.png Thick]
::[http://img2.echo.cx/img2/6194/req83kw.png Thin]
:Especially with Homestar himself having a black border. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

::You can tweak the CSS all you want. Maybe a little <tt>#p-logo{border:thin solid black;}</tt>?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:11, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::([[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]])

::::Oh no no no, that's not what I meant at all. Please do not edit that. I was talking about FireBird's personal CSS at "User:FireBird/monobook.css".[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:45, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::Wow, I didn't know you could do that.....! [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]] 23:37, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

== Back Links ==

I was just wondering, does anyone else think it'd be a good idea to have little links at the top and/or bottom of pages that return to the main page that links to it? For example, [[flashback]] would have a link at the top that would say something like "Back to [[Strong Bad Email]]" (maybe with some cool border around it). I think it'd make browsing around the site easier. For me, anyway. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]] 22:41, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
Back to [[Strong Bad Email]]> 
it could maybe look like that

:I think a link to the page would do just fine instead of a template and all that. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

::I love the idea of the link back, but I think the border is a little much. ~ [[User:señor|»ßenit, known as señor«]]

:::K, screw the template. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

::::This sounds like a good idea, but isn't it already half done? There's a link to [[Strong Bad Email]] in [[:Template:Strong Bad Email]]. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 15:45, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::It's also in the navigation bar on the left side of the screen. And there's the browser back button. Plus many pages link from more than one place. Unfeasable, and unneeded, in my opinion. ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|?]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|?]]</tt>'' 01:55, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::::::Note, I just deleted that template and copied the style span here. The only thing I added was the closing span tag.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:58, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::Well, about the browser back button, many times I click on the discussion page, maybe click edit, then maybe article again so when I want to go back I end up hitting back 3-4 times. Otherwise, do you think we should make those sbemail templates for other things like toons, too? [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

== Unused images ==

I've just been looking at the [[Special:Unusedimages|unused image list]], and it suprises me just how many there are. Some are not needed anymore (to pick at random, "sketchbook serpented.PNG" is a good example), while some appear to be for personal use, but never used on the wiki itself (see images 90 to 102, and others). Should somebody delete some of these, or at least put them on their respective pages? (providing they are not redundant or personal) --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 16:29, 3 May 2005 (BST)

== Interwiki Links ==

I think the [[HR:|interwiki links]] are ugly in the default stylesheet. I'd like to change them to look identical to [http://www.homestarrunner.com external links], but I'm not sure that would be the best way to do things. Anyone else have ideas? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:51, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

:I like them how they are. Light blue without the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Talk:Main_Page#Interwiki_Links tiny arrow] is interwiki, and with the arrow is external. Dark blue is internal. It always made sense to me. It's also the standard on Wikipedia and every other MediaWiki site that I can recall. If people really don't like it, they can always adjust their personal CSS in their user page.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:31, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::Actually, now that I'm thinking straight, the interwiki links I was looking at were ''visited'' interwiki links. I don't like that particular shade of blue. I guess I'll go change my own stylesheet. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 04:25, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Heh, you just visit too many interwiki links then. Hmm. That's c00. Oops, I mean, that's 00c. Er, that's cool.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:55, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::::Actually, now that I've examined the stylesheet, there really wasn't a difference between visited or unvisited interwiki links. It really was a dirty looking shade of blue. I've changed the global stylesheet so that interwiki links and external links are the same color. I won't add the arrow to interwiki links though, even though I'd like to since they are technically still outgoing links. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:11, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

== Strong Bad Email link in navigation box ==

Does anyone actually use the Strong Bad Email link in the navigation box to the left? If enough people use it, I suppose we should leave it there, but I'm starting to think it's a little silly. If we link to Strong Bad Email from the sidebar, why don't we link to Toons, Games, Characters, etc. from the sidebar? Where do we draw the line? What makes Strong Bad Email so much more important than other pages? Just a thought. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:35, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

:I think it is a very busy link. As much as we like to remain NPOV, Strong Bad Emails are quite the popular feature of homestarrunner.com. The Brothers Chaps seem to acknowledge this in their focus on the emails, and perhaps the fact that they are so often updated is another reason to keep it. I don't know what others think, but I think the link can stay.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:40, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::Same here. ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|?]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|?]]</tt>'' 01:56, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::I use it a lot. I think we should put it below "H*R.com updates" though. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 05:56, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Done. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:12, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

== Something's Up... ==

Hey, has this been popping up for anybody else?

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the
software. The last attempted database query was: (SQL query hidden) from
within function "MediaWikiBagOStuff:_doquery". MySQL returned error "1062:
Duplicate entry 'hrwiki_mwiki:messages:Sitenotice' for key 1 (localhost)".

I'm sure it's a MediaWiki glitch, but I wanted to see if anyone else is having this problem. If an admin could help out, it would be greatly apreciated. Thanks! --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 20:38, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

:I've gotten this too. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

::I've seen it several times, too. Perhaps we should sic [[User:Tom|Tom]] and [[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] on it. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:44, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

:::I wish I were as smart as them. They're like, amazing. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

::::It's all a matter of learning by doing. Go get Apache, PHP (zipped version, NOT installer), MySQL and PHPMyAdmin, set them up on a Windows machine (mostly automatic), and start playing around. Find someone who already knows about these things, so you have someone to turn to when things don't go your way. Then write a small program of some sort. It could be anything - for me, my first PHP program was a POKéMON management system that kept track on your POKéMON and their training, whilst calculating various things about them, but that's probably too high a starting point for most people. ^_^ --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:25, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

It just happened to me again. It wasn't too bad a while ago, but now, it's becoming more frequent. To reiterate: Something's up... --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 20:53, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

:Same here, I just got two in as many minutes. The only thing I recognize in there is the [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice|site notice]], but I don't think that helps here. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 22:18, 6 May 2005 (BST)

::I've gotten it too a couple of times. Never really thought too much about it. I've done a few database queries and [[Wikipedia:grep]]s on the MediaWiki software, but I haven't found anything.
::I may need a new database dump if I'm to make an indepth analysis and find out what's wrong - the error didn't occur until after I got my copy, so if it's database-related, I wouldn't have the error here. However, I've got an idea as to what it might be, so if Tom'd be so kind as to run a single query on the database for me, and tell me the result, I might be able to find the solution that way.
::The query that needs to be run is <tt>SELECT * FROM cur WHERE cur_title LIKE '%sitenotice'</tt>. Since the error is periodic, rather than permanent, it probably won't return a useful result, but it's worth a shot.
::Oh, if anyone has seen the error WITHOUT the query hidden (can sysops do that? Or maybe Tom?), it would help me immensly if you could tell me what the query is. That way, I can see what exactly is causing the error, and locate the PHP file sending that query to MySQL. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:25, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
:::Actually, scratch that. I think I has the solution!
:::I need a sysop to go to [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] and put a single dash (-) as the article text - similar to what they have at [[Wikipedia:MediaWiki:Sitenotice]]. Appearantly, there's an issue somewhere that causes odd behavior when it's blank, but the dash will work as if it were blank.
:::With a little luck, that should do the trick. I haven't gone in-depth with the issue, though, I just remembered reading somewhere that it should be a dash instead of blanked. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:30, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

::::Done. I did notice that this started to happen after I blanked the sitenotice. Let's see if the dash fixes it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:37, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::See, this is the problem with periodic errors - they don't appear when you want them to. :P (Oh, I edited my above post slightly - it's such an obvious quote that I '''had''' to use it :)) --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:51, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Arg. I got the error again just now when trying to save changes to [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]].

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a
bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
(SQL query hidden)
from within function "MediaWikiBagOStuff:_doquery". MySQL
returned error "1062: Duplicate entry 'hrwiki_mwiki:messages'
for key 1 (localhost)".

Does this mean there's corruption in another db record? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:40, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
:Well, it's not the same error message, so the problem is elsewhere in the database (the fix might be the same, though). I suggest you keep a lookout for whether or not it appears again, since it COULD be an isolated incident.
:I'm slightly puzzled with the error returned by this one, since it seems to suggest that there's a problem with a '''namespace'''... but I might be wrong there. I'll take a quick peek at my dump and see if I can come up with anything.
:BTW, if it's possible, it would be nice if you could enable display of these queries, at least for sysops (such as yourself). This would help a lot with finding the error quickly. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:12, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
:Added 21:29, 13 May 2005 (UTC): The only thing that comes to mind is if the article/message has no title. I did actually find two of these in my dump - shown by the query <code><nowiki>SELECT * FROM cur WHERE cur_title=''</nowiki></code> - but neither of these are in the namespace suggested by the error message. -- [[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike>

== More interwiki links? ==

I've been thinking lately it would be nice if we set up Videlectrix, Thorax Corp, and Mellow Mushroom as sister sites. This would make it possible for us to create interwiki links to them in the same way we currently link to Homestar Runner. If I set these up, how should I do the links? I was thinking "Videlectrix" for Videlectrix, "Thorax" for Thorax Corp., and "Mushroom" for Mellow Mushroom.

And speaking of Mellow Mushroom, does anyone else think we should be transcribing those toons as well? I know we are only a Homestar Runner knowledge-base, but Mellow Mushroom is a big part of TBC lore. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 22:39, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, I wondered if we were going to do that on [[HRWiki talk:Projects]]. It's a good idea (I mean, if we link to Wikipedia we should link to those). And, we might as well do MM transcripts.....
:Oh yeah and maybe an interwiki link to the H*R store, too. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]] 03:10, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

:And we should also have interwiki links to the forum, I guess. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 07:48, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

::[[Mellow Mushroom]] transcripts and articles have been nixed on the respective [[Talk:Mellow Mushroom|talk page]] for a long time. The toons are not written by The Brothers Chaps, they simply did the animation. I do not think we need an interwiki link for that either. Videlectrix and Thorax seem alright though.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:48, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

I've added the [[HRStore:|Homestar Runner store]], [[Videlectrix:|Videlectrix]], and [[Thorax:|Thorax Corp.]] to our interwiki links. I've also styled them for standards-compliant browser users. We should start changing links to these three places all over the wiki. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:49, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

== Thousand ==

One thousandth article. That's pretty cool. I should probably celebrate... oh! I know! article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article... forget it. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 02:15, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

:The ten millionth page view and 100,000th edit are coming soon[[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]
:page view, page view, page view, page view, page view, page view, page view, page view...

== New blockquote style... ==

I've created a new default style for blockquotes.

<blockquote>This is a quoted block of text. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Vivamus vestibulum. Quisque adipiscing. Proin bibendum justo eu nunc. Nam pulvinar, ligula vel accumsan vestibulum, wisi sem vehicula leo, vitae condimentum nisl erat vitae nisl. Vivamus lacinia, est in rhoncus lacinia, enim magna tristique sapien, nec suscipit lorem magna at tortor. Pellentesque iaculis diam vel elit. Nunc a felis vel odio fringilla sollicitudin. Nullam et ipsum. Pellentesque porta nisl in justo. Pellentesque malesuada lacus sed elit. Vestibulum rutrum mi et mauris. Praesent sit amet quam. Phasellus rhoncus ipsum et mi egestas sagittis. Maecenas vel massa id lectus commodo faucibus. Integer varius blandit quam. Etiam dapibus mi nec nunc. Pellentesque eu felis quis ante rhoncus porta.

Donec pulvinar. Duis malesuada leo tempor mi. In orci odio, dictum varius, porttitor sit amet, accumsan ac, turpis. Integer tincidunt, dolor vel consequat vulputate, turpis quam bibendum odio, blandit lobortis nunc dui sit amet arcu. Mauris euismod libero sed leo. Mauris luctus risus sit amet justo. Class aptent taciti sociosqu ad litora torquent per conubia nostra, per inceptos hymenaeos. In vel libero in leo ullamcorper luctus. Integer ante nibh, lobortis in, fermentum eu, aliquet ac, ante. Etiam ornare. Mauris eleifend. Cras vel massa. Phasellus erat lacus, auctor vel, aliquam et, ullamcorper eget, urna. Praesent vestibulum lacinia odio. In nec dui ac mi sodales facilisis. Nunc laoreet turpis et tellus.</blockquote>

Only problem now is you have to put in your own <code>p</code> and <code>br</code> tags. Is there any way to do a blockquote with wiki formatting? What does everyone think of the style? (If you aren't seeing it, try Ctrl-F5 to do a hard refresh.) — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 21:06, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

:What about something more to differentiate, such as a blue line on the left side, or what would be really cool, a giant ' { ' to stretch from the top to the bottom along the left side. I think it needs something easily noticible, probably different colored. '''EDIT:''' My bad, looks like it's got the blue line now. I still think the stretching '{' would be pretty cool though... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 22:27, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
::A stretching "{" would be very hard to do. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]
::Otherwise, you can put it in the css as like heading 5 so it's like <nowiki>"======Blockquote Text======"</nowiki>, but I don't know if you'd want to do that. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

:::Yeah, the blue line was there from the start. Those of you who aren't seeing it should try a hard refresh (Ctrl+F5). — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 14:43, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

::Is that a idea of what to repace ''{stuff like this}'' with? If so, I don't like it as much. Sorry. -- '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]''''' 15:53, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

:::I think some of you might be utterly confused. A <code>blockquote</code> is used for quoting large blocks of text. It won't be used as header level 5 or to replace curly braces. It will be used instead of <code>pre</code> when quoting things like emails. See [[Talk:Penguin Brothers Interview - 26 May 2003]] for a good example of what I'm talking about. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:20, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

==kitkorp==

[http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/ kitkorp sub-page dealie]

<strike>Shouldn't we have some kinda page for this? What exactly is this, is this another 'museum' type thing the brothers chaps made for inquisitive folks like us? Shouldn't we have some kind of guiding walkthrough or something for this page? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:07, 20 May 2005 (UTC)</strike>

:Ah, I see. Fansite mirror of entire website with bonus old data. Gotcha. Clever. Never mind... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:42, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

== suggestion for front page ==

I think the front page here would greatly benefit from having a box with the 5 or so most recent updates from the [[H*R.com updates]] page. I hate when I come here to see what's new on hr.com and I have to click links, instead of just seeing. what do you think?

:1. Please sign your posts, by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> after them. 2. It is a good idea, and we've been working on incorperating it into a new main page. It's been under some discussion [[User_talk:JoeyDay/Main_Page_Mock-up#What.27s_new|here]]. Welcome to the wiki. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:20, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

::Speaking of main page changes, I think the [[User:JoeyDay/Main_Page_Mock-up|new main page layout]] is ready to go live sometime this week. I'd really appreciate some last-minute feedback on the [[User talk:JoeyDay/Main Page Mock-up|talk page]]. Most notably, we need [[HRWiki:Featured article nominations|nominations for featured articles]]. Thanks. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 03:41, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

*Joey Day you rock! THe Main Page looks Shuper Shweet! [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 19:01, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

== The New Main Page ==
Let me be the first to thank [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] for all of his hard work in getting this new main page up and running. Suggestions to make this page better? Questions/Comments? Post 'em here! {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:50, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

:I think the new Main Page is hawt. However, I'm not a fan of the small-caps in the "Browse the Knowledge-Base" section. It works fine for the sub-headings (e.g. "Features", "Weeklies"), but not so much for the links themselves. IMHO. Anyway, great work Joey. — [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 18:53, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

::I kindof like the small-caps for all the nav items, but I wouldn't be opposed to making the "browse" section normal-caps if enough people really want it. So, what say ye? Anyone else not like the small-caps in the browse section? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:14, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

::I would like it normal- as in, capitalize the first letter of the word. It makes it look a bit cluttered and stuffed like it is now. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 21:07, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

:I personally think that the new [[Main Page]] is awesome. I like how you can post a pic from the newest toon/game!! --[[User:kerrek slaya|kerrek slaya]] 19:03, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

:I like it. Great jorb! --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]|[[User talk:acekirby13|My Talk]] 19:39, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

:WOW surprised me that this design is finally up. Good job! [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

:I am dissapointed mainly because now there is no link to STUFF. Personally, I think STUFF should be added to the navigation bar/ [[User:TakuaKaita600|TK600]] 22:16, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah, where's the quick links to STUFF, Sightings, WikiTroll and the like? Other than that, I like it. -- '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]''''' 00:57, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Wikitroll and STUFF can be found at [[HRWiki:The Stick|The Stick]]. I think Sightings can fit somewhere on the Main Page. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 03:01, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

::::Sightings is still on the main page. It's in the "Miscellany" section (it's been there since the new layout went live). STUFF and WikiTroll are linked to from The Stick. In fact, I just added a Quick Menu box to The Stick to facilitate easier navigation. The main reason for moving those links is that the Main Page is the pretty face we present to visitors and users. It should really only contain links to the actual content of the knowledge-base. With the creation of The Stick, we finally have a separate place to move maintenance type links out of the way. Does this make sense? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:14, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

:I think that maybe the text should be smaller...I opened it up and was like, "Who set the text size so big?" But then I checked the navigation bar and saw it was normal. But anyway, I think it's awesome! It's like Wikipedia. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 03:05, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

::The reason it looks so big is because every word is capitalized, just the first word is bigger. In my opinion, it would look better normal, but it doesn't really matter either way.{{User:FireBird/sig}} 03:10, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

:::The "welcome" message is actually in a larger font. Everything else is normal. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:14, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

== What The... ==

What the crap happened to the main page? Who edited it?? -Kinsey

:JoeyDay updated it, Kinsey. You can check the status by clicking [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=history here]. JoeyDay does awesome work. --[[User:The Paper|The Paper]] 21:36, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

I gotta be honest, I don't like it. I guess it takes getting used to. But who asked me? -Alice

== What's New? ==

Shouldn't any user be allowed to edit that section? I propose that we make that section a template and link to the template from the main page. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 19:03, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

*Agreed. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 19:05, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

::Er... [[Template:whatsnew|it is a template]]. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 19:06, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

== Low Bandwith? ==
I remember on 5/28 to 6/1 or something close that the bandwidth was down. Why? Too many viewers?-user, not signed in.

:Yes, essentially, too many visitors. We use an incredible amount of bandwidth here and it just keeps growing. We were lucky that we didn't pass the limit until close to the end of the month. The best solution to the bandwidth problems is to [[HRWiki:Donations|help us pay our hosting costs]]. — [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 13:48, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::Same thing happened last month for two hours or so.[[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

:::Happened to me, too
: No need to point that out - it happened to EVERYBODY between those dates. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 15:42, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps HRWIKI has other reasons to use them or is getting a better deal, but the transfer limits on Goleman's $50 plan (as per their products page) seems to be low. Could this be addressed with Goleman Networks without additional funding? — ''gsw''

:I'm not sure what you're looking at, because there isn't a $50 plan on Goleman Networks' product page, but you're right. The numbers on that page are pretty low. Fortunately, Mr. Goleman is a good friend of mine and he's giving us an awesome deal: 150 GB per month at $50 per month — and it's still not enough! — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:47, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::Unless you can get Mr. Goleman to give you a better deal, maybe you should try switching the default skin to a less bandwidth-intensive layout, such as Standard or CologneBlue. If users would rather have Monobook, they can just register and change their preferences. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 16:56, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:Sorry, I meant Products->Hosting, which shows a 5 GB limit. Sounds like you've got it covered, though. 'Nuff said. — ''gsw''

If the HRWiki is really using that much bandwidth, optimizing frequently used images is probably a good idea. I took around 6 kB off the logo by running it through Optipng (uploaded to [[:Image:wiki.png]]). I'd suggest a similar treatment for other interface graphics. On the English Wikipedia, the logo was transmitted enough that knocking 500 '''bytes''' off the size was beneficial enough to bother with. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 23:15, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)

== *Tink* easter egg ==

Well, i found something that isn't useful, but is a bit unusual. In the main menu 4, (the bowling one) if you roll your mouse over the games sign 1 time, it will leave 2 pins standing. If you do it again, it produces a *tink* sound.

:Hmmmmm... Well... Ummm.... Wow. Just... Wow. Actually, it's already been meantioned [[Main Page 4|here]]. This is more the place for discussions about the Wiki Main Page, or the Wiki as a whole. This comment probably would have been best directed [[Talk:Main Page 4|here]]. We do appreciate the input and watchfullness though, just try and direct most comments to their respective talk pages. And welcome to the wiki. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:09, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Possible Troll? ==

Call me crazy, but I not only clicked on the new email rap link, I checked it against the website. As of this moment, the email rap is still the same as it was. Is somebody trolling? --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 14:51, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:No, this is valid. The scroll buttons rap has been changed. Hit refresh, or something. Your browser is probably being stupid. --[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 14:55, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Wiki interview ==
As of now we are the biggest Homestar Runner fan-site. We have everything, everyone and every-toon cataloged and transcribed in their own page. But still, there are so much we don't know for sure, like:
*Is [[Stickly Man]] realy [[The Poopsmith]]?
*Is [[Homsar]] [[The Bossman]]?
*Who is the [[Unnamed Characters|Unnamed Girl]]?
*Or [[The Unguraits]]?
*Did a certain character realy refered to a certain thing in pop-colture/game/other toon when he said/did something?
*Did a character realy said this, or that?
*Is [[Creepy Comb-Over Strong Bad]] realy [[Senor Cardgage]]?
*What was TBC's real part in [[Mellow Mushroom]]?
*What was the deal with [[Puppet Jam: Mission Control]]? Was it an actual puppet thing they had on the site and removed? Or was it just a joke?
*And so on.

If we want to answer these questions and others, I think we sould ask for an intrview fron the brothers Chaps and ask them those questions so we can stop arguing over this silly things. [[User:E.L. Cool|E.L. Cool]] 12:20, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:I've always wondered why they labled one of the [[Floppy Disk Container]]s 'Hypou Blade' instead of 'Hyper Blade'. Among other things... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 02:07, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::So let's make a list of questions to TBC and just ask them! [[User:E.L. Cool|E.L. Cool]] 04:41, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::Well sure, you can always email them and try your hand at getting a reply. Beyond that though... Don't know if there's much you can do to ENSURE a reply. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:34, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::::Its worth a shot, sure. I think if people have any particularly pressing comments they should add them to the list above..However I would be cautious; more likely than not TBC left some of these minor details ambiguous, and probably don't really think that they are big enough points to merit an "interview"...However, without my pessimist side showing I think its a good idea! -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]]

::::Hmmm.. I ''would'' try my hand at this but English is not my primary language. It takes me like, 5 minutes to write this thing here. If it was Hebrew on the other hand... :) [[User:E.L. Cool|E.L. Cool]] 06:07, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==Internet==
<blockquote>We're currently working on # articles about our favorite internet cartoon.</blockquote>
should be
<blockquote>We're currently working on # articles about our favorite Internet cartoon.</blockquote>

Confused? Read [http://www.answers.com/internet&r=67 this]. --'''[[User:porplemontage|Steve]]''' (''[[User talk:porplemontage|talk]]'') 23:12, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Fixed.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:31, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==MediaWiki 1.5==

Will the H*R Wiki and the H*R Fanstuff Wiki be upgrading to [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.5 MediaWiki 1.5]?

While I'm here, I'll just outline some of the new features of 1.5:
*Able to edit the [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/MediaWiki:Sidebar sidebar] a whole lot easier
*Random [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Randompage/Image images], [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Randompage/Category categories], [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Randompage/User user pages], etc.
*Quickly [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Log/move revert moved pages] (for sysops)
*New image uploads only generate one entry in [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Recentchanges Recent Changes] instead of two
*Page moves are logged in [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php?title=Stupidpage&action=history Page History]
*You can choose what name Images [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Upload upload as]
*Possible to choose the namespace in [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Recentchanges Recent Changes]
*A new Print tab

The [[Wikipedia:Main Page|English Wikipedia]] has already upgraded. -- [[User:Super Sam|Super Sam]] 13:30, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:I'd suggest waiting a bit. MW 1.5 is still beta, and they keep discovering new and exciting bugs each time they upgrade a different Wikipedia. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 13:45, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::I think if the Wikipedia has already upgraded, it's good enough for us. -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 14:01, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:::Yeah, it's still beta. It looks great, but we are going to wait until it's a stable release. And probably a itsy-bit longer.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:17, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:::Wikipedia DELIBERATELY use the betas to help find and iron out bugs (after all, MediaWiki was developed for that site). Beta is not suitable for most sites, as there's almost guaranteed to be problems. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 15:34, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:Remember that the Mediawiki developers and the Wikimedia technical crew are pretty well one and the same. When your sysadmins wrote the thing, you can live a little closer to the edge. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 02:08, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::And just to drive the point home, MediaWiki 1.5b2 has been released, which fixes some exciting security holes, including at least one SQL injection bug. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 04:34, 7 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:::MediaWiki 1.5b3 is out. I set a wiki up with it, but I still notice a few bugs. But it looks great. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]
::Whatever happens, making it doesn't clear the history of the Fanstuff Wiki again. -- [[User:65.188.59.31|65.188.59.31]] 02:38, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)

== Articles Needing Merging ==

I think we should have both a template, and a category for articles that need to be merged. For instance, [[Cardboard Marzipan]] should be merged with [[Minor Alternate Versions]] (yes, I know this has happened already.) I think the template would go something like this: 
<div class="boilerplate metadata" style="padding: .1em; margin: 3px; width: auto; background: #EDF1F1; border: 1px solid #999999; text-align: center;">
'''This article, <nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki>, is up for merging with <nowiki> [[{{{1}}}]]. To voice your opinions on this, please see this page's [[Talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk article]]</nowiki>'''</div>
[[:Category:Articles Needing Merging]] 
Anybody have any opinions on this? --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 17:31, 7 July 2005 (BST)

:Note that we have [[HRWiki:Projects#Things to Merge]] and [[HRWiki:Cleanup#Merge and Redirect]] already.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:20, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I didn't know that. I guess I should go look around the wiki a bit more. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 16:58, 6 July 2005 (BST)

== The System Is Down, Yo ==

Homestarrunner.com seems to be down intermittently. And before sbemail133 comes out. It did the same thing last night. Blasted bandwidth issues... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:51, 11 Jul 2005 (UTC)

What? When did that happen? I never got that problem. --[[User:Darklinkskywalker|Darklinkskywalker]] 20:45, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)

On Monday when he wrote it? -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 03:51, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Sketchbook (video)

Cyrius — Sat, 09 Jul 2005 06:10:19 GMT

Cyrius:

So where's this? -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 06:09, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:Duh, DVD, didn't see the Category. Should be more explicit about such things. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 06:10, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Sketchbook (video)

Cyrius — Sat, 09 Jul 2005 06:09:43 GMT

Cyrius: Eh?

So where's this? -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 06:09, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Main Page

Cyrius — Thu, 07 Jul 2005 04:34:42 GMT

Cyrius: /* MediaWiki 1.5 */

<div class="plainlinks" style="font-family: georgia; border: 1px dashed #06f; background: #eef; padding: 0.5em; margin: 0.5em 0.5em 1em; text-align: center;">Main page doesn't look right? 
— [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=purge Purge the cache] —</div>

:''In order to shorten the size of this page, all conversations before the 30th of December have been archived. You can access the archive [[HRWiki:Main Page Talk Archive|here]].''

== Every thing is fine now ==
um what happened the last 3-4 days? i could not get on the wiki --[[User:djm1791|djm1791]] 05:33, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Bandwidth ran out. It's been discussed. Everything is fine. Nothing is ruined. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 05:36, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

but what does that mean & were can i find this discosion? --[[User:djm1791|djm1791]] 05:38, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Bottom of this page, for one. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 05:49, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

thanks --[[User:djm1791|djm1791]] 05:53, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Shouldn't there be a character reference for the Strong brothers' mother? I know we never see her, but she does seem to be around somewhere since they refer to her (as in the SB email, "the facts).

== What the crap? ==

Why am I not on the list of registered users? --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]

:You're number 439.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:42, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)

== 2004/2005 Tsunami Donation Link ==

I was just reading up on the [[Wikipedia:2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake|Indian Ocean Earthquake]] and realized how incredibly horrible this event was, and I'm seriously thinking we need some kind of banner to a donation link to the Wikipedia donation page. Or something like that. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

How very specific your request is.
-[[User:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf|Fhq]]

Fhq, what's your point? It's a good idea, don't give him crap because he's thinking larger than himself.
Bird, perhaps you should send Joey a PM on the forum. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]

:Just in case anyone was wondering, we won't be adding a notice to the Main Page. If you'd like to put a notice on your userpage, that would be acceptable.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:14, 7 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Dubious reference solution ==

Over the past few Strongbad e-mail articles, I've read a lot of (to be frank) farfetched suggestions of references that TBCs are presumably making to other stuff. Maybe, if you're 100% sure that something is intended as a reference (for example, a character name or line very specific to one TV show), then it's fine to say it's a reference. But if something just seems to remind you of something else (for example, a song that sounds kinda-sorta like a song that was played in the 23rd episode of some TV series), then it's more accurate to say that it is '''reminiscent''' of something, rather than a reference to something.

Just a suggestion.

:A wonderful suggestion, and it goes along with the ongoing discussion we are having regarding the overhaul of our current fun fact system. Thank you for your concern and idea.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:52, 13 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Locking down the main page ==

I visited today and noticed that the main page had been defaced. Someone else restored the last known good version, but it seems to me that the front page should not be editable by just anyone for this exact reason. Even the main page of Wikipedia is off-limits to anyone except staff...
:Yes, I want the main page protected as well... [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]-<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|?</tt>]] 14:05, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)
-It happened again. This must be done NOW.

:Look, the template does nothing to prevent trolling; it's a redundancy. Locking down the Main Page is a good way to go, since nothing really changes there, anyway. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 14:26, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

I find it funny how the MediaWiki's been around for at least 5 months now and only NOW are people starting to complain about wanting the Main Page locked down. Personally, I think it's prime idiot bait, as in "if you deface the main page, you're automatically not fit to be on the wiki." --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 15:02, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

You could have a way to detect whether someone is severely defaceing the page or not. --[[User:67.161.224.65|67.161.224.65]]

::Okay, due to several requests and the seeming lack of need to update the Main Page, I've protected it. Please note that I do not like having it protected, this being a wiki and all, but I agree that it really doesn't need to be edited that much and is just sitting there as troll fodder. Thanks to all who helped with that last batch of defacement.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:12, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

:::I never change the main page, so I'm pretty happy with that, but I do have one concern. Might the Trollers who automatically go to work on the Main Page to start with, now be forced to move onto smaller, harder to detect defacements on other pages? What if we're only spreading the diease? [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'']] 18:46, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::::A good concern, and lucky for me I have this wonderful ditty to cite:
::::''...the fact is that for every troll with too much spare time, there are 100 users with just as much spare time ready and eager to undo that troll's (un)work. The fact is, the trolls always get bored before the users do, because the users are emotionally invested in what they've created and the Wiki moves fast enough that the average trolling only lasts about two minutes before it's reverted. A troll's work is hardly ever noticed by anybody, but a legitimate user's work is always noticed and appreciated. That's why wikis work. — InterruptorJones 15:37, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)'' ([[User_talk:FireBird#Question_from_Troll|ref]])
::::Simply put, that's just how wikis work. We'll notice no matter where or how small, and they will get tired.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:55, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::::::That is, unless said troll or trolls are emotionally invested in destroying the wiki. --Guest

::Good answer, thanks. Come to think of it, I guess if everyone has on their watchlist the pages they created, or just care for, then likely whatever page is edited will be watched by SOMEBODY. Thanks for the quick reply. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'']] 17:36, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)

Well, I want to edit the main page. I have a feature in mind that I think would be appreciated by all (I know I'll use it), but would require a little updating every now and again. How about you just make the main page editable by registered members? Disallow guests from editing it. I await the unlocking to reveal my idea.
--Rgb9000

:If it's such a great idea, why can't you just say it? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 00:25, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Fair question. I want to do the actual edit so that I'll be properly credited in the history for the implementation. --[[User:Rgb9000|Rgb9000]] 01:28, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Well, it's a Wiki, so you can't really take credit beyond putting on your userpage that you were the one to do something. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 01:45, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Is it making a link to the newest (H*R) updates on the main page (to the pages of the updates themselves, not to the updates page)? Because that would be quite nice. (but would require updating every week or so). -- 82.81.whatever

== Rejects? ==
Where did Rejects go?? What the? -- Asploder

:Away. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 23:57, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)

::Yes, they're all categorised now, but I don't know where they went. [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|?</tt>]] 18:08, 14 Feb 2005 (MST)

They all went to better places. Characters are now characters, items are now classified as items. Fancy that ;) [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 21:48, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

== Confusion over moving dates ==

The [[Main Page]] says that HRWiki will be moving 'from early Friday morning (Feb. 25) to late Sunday evening (Feb. 27)', but every other page says 'early Friday morning (Mar. 4) to late Sunday evening (Mar. 6)'. Someone should probably fix that on the main page, as it appears it's not closed presently. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 05:04, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)

:The date changed. A hard refresh (likely ctrl+F5) of the Main Page should clear your cache and solve the problem.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:16, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

== New ==

Hi, I'm new and not on the list.--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 09:19, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)
:Yes you are, you're number 895 →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 09:50, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

what number am i?--[[User:Harry|Harry]] 10:03, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Here, [[Special:Listusers|find out for yourself]]. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 10:46, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Thanks--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 11:10, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Favorite Character List ==
It think it might be nice if some o' you guys set up a "Most Popular Character" page to find out who are the most popular main characters in the Homestar Runner universe. There seems to be enough wiki users here to get an accurate idea. In this page, people would say who their favorite character is on the talk section (and their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc favorite as well if they want.) and then someone would add them all up into a graph to show who are the most/least popular character and so on. (And remember, MAIN characters only) To keep things simple, it could be a character would get 8 "popularity points" for being a first favorite, 7 for second, 6 for third, and so on. Whoever gets the highest popularity points goes in the most favorite section. Also, only registered users count. I dunno... this could be difficult and messy and inaccuriate, but if done right it could be very interesting.
Anyways... opinions anyone? --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 15:46, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Sorry, but this here's a vote for no. I think it could be a good idea under a different venu, such as the [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page Fanstuff Wiki], or perhaps a poll in the [http://forum.hrwiki.org/ Forum]. But since this is simply a knowledge base, it wouldn't really fit in too well.
[[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'']] 16:37, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

::I agree with Thunderbird. It's just not necessary. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::What if it was made in Fanstuff Wiki? Don't care too much if it never happens. Besides, I wouldn't have the know-how and stuff to make a page like that anyway. Someone else would have had to do it. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 17:09, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

::::Yeah, that'd be awesome. Run with it. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::::I went and I ran with it. You can check it out in the Interactive section of Fanstuff H*R Wiki. :) It's called, "Character Popularity"--[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 16:47, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Article of the day? ==

Why not have a featured article like Wikipedia?

:We don't have any featured articles, so we couldn't have a featured article of the day.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:49, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

::We could do it like the Fark.com [http://216.32.91.95/Main_Page Wiki] does it. Each month has 7 articles (one for each day of the week) that rotate around every week (with a new set every month). For instance, you create a page called [[HRWiki:Featured article/Tuesday, March]] then just do an include on the main page like:

<nowiki>== Featured article ==</nowiki> 
<nowiki>{{HRWiki:Featured article/{{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTMONTH}}}}</nowiki>

That would run automatically for a whole month with only 7 articles. --[[User:noclip|noclip]] 18:53, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

:The fact remains that we still don't have featured articles.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:05, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)
::You don't need to "have" them. You can just make em. Start a poll of which articles should be on the front page, take those and copy-paste them into HRWiki:Featured article/Whatever day and use that link on the front page.

== New logo ==

How about it?

[[Image:hrwlogoidea-fixed.png]]

[[User:noclip|noclip]] 18:59, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

::I had this alternate too

[[Image:hrlogowithhr.png]]

[[User:noclip|noclip]] 19:26, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

:I like the one with the dropshadow, but would be happy with either of them... [[User:Glutnix|Glutnix]] 03:03, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)

I've started a "Poll" about this

:Sorry, but we don't do polls. I've deleted your poll page accordingly.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:02, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
::JoeyDay told me to start one. It was just to see whether the users were for it. He said it was okay and that the decision would be left up to the admins anyway. It'd have been nice if you protected the page and posted the results instead of straight up deleting it.

:::Well, if it matters, I really don't like the green "Wiki". Another color would look nice.
:::And Homestar Runner looks a little bit bumpy. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]
::::I would have used another color but TBC pretty much used everything on the logo.

:::::Just because it's been used once doesn't mean you can't use it again. Orange or grey would look nice (I think). →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::The first one looks great. I don't know about the green, but it looks better than the current logo. {{User:Rainer/sig}}

::::The first one is perfect. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:10, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)

:::::I love them both! Actiually, contrary to what these folks are saying, I like the green (probably because it's my favourite colour... xD). But I agree that Homestar looks bumpy. The first ones real nice, though.

::On second thought, the green looks nice, actually. {{User:Rainer/sig}}

:I think that the first one is incredible! Nice work! I love the green! →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 14:32, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)

:I Think the second one should be used. I prefer it over the one that's up now. And I also like the green "wiki". That logo looks really, really nice. But as for the first one... I don't know, the drop shadow just doesn't look H*Rish, and it's good to see H*R (the character) on the logo. In conclusion... the second one. --[[User:70.25.9.49|70.25.9.49]] 01:52, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
::Have you seen the H*R loading screen? It's got the drop shadow.
:::Yeah, but the logo in the loading screen is round, and I think the shadow isn't quite as dark. With the "Wiki" in there, the shadow looks like it should be more complex, but then it would be too realistic. Well, that's how I feel about it.

:Though I am leaning toward the second logo, I like the first one almost as much (the green isn't a problem to me). Both logos are pretty good. Nice job. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 16:33, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Not to be a picky monkey, but they look a tad bit jaggy...do ya think you could smooth it out a bit, especially the one with Homestar on it? - [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 16:35, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oh my gosh that rocks out loud I love the green it fits so well. I love it love it love it. For cerial. (does that count as "internet slang"?)--[[User:Because, It's Midnite|Because, It's Midnite]]

I like it. Dropshadow. ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'' 01:09, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Me too. Dropshadow! [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:47, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm not a member but I go on this site all the time and you can't stop me from giving my opinion so... I VOTE DROPSHADOW! -Alice

I love the first one. The green is cool, but maybe a more basic color might apease some members such as black or white? I dunno though I am horrible at graphic design. --[[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 00:25, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

The second one is better in my opinion. Homestar adds some flavor to it. [[ ↔ Rabidfox ®]]

==Scared of 1.4.0==
I'm scared of this upgrading to 1.4.0 
I didn't like what it did to the fanstuff. Because... 
1. Different font. It's smaller and I don't like it as much. 
2. History erased. I expecially do not want that to happen. Not to mention it could leave some page histery blank, making them targets for non-revertable trolling. 
So, what I'm trying to say, is that if you can't get past these two problems, I think I'd prefer this wiki staying in the 1.3's. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:37, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
::I ran an upgrade to 1.4 a week ago on a pretty big wiki (~200 articles), it went seamlessly. The main page was defaulted, but that was easily reversible through history. Other than that, it shouldn't mess anything up. My thoughts, go ahead and do the upgrade.
:::Well, look at what happened to Fanstuff Wiki. Almost all history was erased, the font is smaller and uploading pictures doesn't work. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 06:20, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Character Evolution, The Stick ==

I posted the first of my suggestions on the discussion page for the FAQ, which of course was not the right place. If it doesn't make any sense what I am about to say, maybe how I worded it there does.

===Suggestion #1: Character Evolution===

In the [[Character Evolution]] pages, we should not treat the Yello Dello and Reddest Radish versions as designs. We shouldn't even include them on the page (perhaps in a sub-section "Other ways so-and-so has been drawn") because these were NEVER solid designs, they were never intended to be and simply aren't. The ''designs'' themselves are valid when talking about the Reddest Radish but they are still not necessary for the page.

===Suggestion #2: The Stick===

I believe that the Stick should not be treated as an Inside Joke, but rather as a full-fledged 'place.' I think it's earned that title, don't you?

Ok, so everyone leave your thoughts, comment or whatever here. I hope to get these suggestions used.

EDIT: I also believe that [[fhqwhgads]] should return to beign an inside joke.

*I agree with all three of those. Reddest Radish and Yello Dello aren't real designs. --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 15:41, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)

*I wholeheartedly agwee. [[Fhqwhgads]] get your birdie carcus into the da inside joke place, and the Stick, be a place, I guess. [[User:64.12.116.195|64.12.116.195]] 00:59, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

==Editing issues==

For some reason, I can't edit the WikiTroll page. In fact, I can't even edit its talk page! I'm not banned (I can edit other pages just fine.) Every time I try to edit those pages, though, it informs me that I'm trying to edit a page that's just been edited - even though there's no new edit on the Recent Changes page or anywhere else. I was trying to add [[User:160.7.1.12|160.7.1.12]], a repeat offender who defaced [[long pants]] and [[Strong Bad Email]]. Can anyone else edit the WikiTroll page? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 10:31, 6 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:It's a result of the move to MediaWiki 1.4. Lots of people are having problems editing certain pages, including the [[HRWiki:WikiTroll Archive|WikiTroll Archive]], [[Strong Bad's Room Main Page]], [[japanese cartoon]], and most importantly [[HRWiki:WikiTroll|WikiTroll]] and [[HRWiki Talk:WikiTroll|Talk:WikiTroll]]. For more information, go to [[HRWiki Talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4]] --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 17:39, 6 Apr 2005 (BST)
:I too had the same problems editing the WikiTroll and WikiTroll Talk pages, which I posted on the [[HRWiki Talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4]]. Annoying, yes? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 12:48, 6 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:: I know I'm not the only one annoyed by a lack of WikiTroll page. Perhaps we should set up a temporary replacement? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:06, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
::: That sounds like a great idea, since we've had a frustrating number of repeat trolls recently, like that guy who keeps changing the pictures around. We could call it "Temporary WikiTroll". <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 15:06, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:::: I called it [[HRWiki:WikiTroll 2.0|WikiTroll 2.0]]. Too bad I can't edit the main page or the old WikiTroll page to link to it. Sigh. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 18:45, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:::::Great jorb! <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 19:15, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
::::::Now if only a mod would put it in an easily-accessible spot... or acknowledge its existence... --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 23:12, 8 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:::::::So, have none of the mods noticed the WikiTroll problem? Hasn't anyone noticed that the Wiki Troll page hasn't updated since the move? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 04:14, 9 Apr 2005 (MDT)

== Watchlist is acting a little strange... ==

The watchlist is looking a bit weird - what happened? Was the database restored from a backup or something?

''(1 pages watched not counting talk pages; 120000 total pages edited''
''since cutoff; checking watched pages for recent edits... show and''
''edit complete list.)''

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Below are the last '''2''' changes in last '''3''' days.
Show last 1 | 2 | 6 | 12 hours 1 | 3 | 7 days all
'''14 Apr 2005'''
(diff) (hist) . . HRWiki talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4; 23:21 . .
12.2.235.67 (Talk) ''(?Creating a New Account)''
'''3 Apr 2005'''
(diff) (hist) . . '''N''' HRWiki:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4; 11:04 . . Tom
(Talk) ''(Add stuff.)''
--[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pidgeot|(e)]] 13:14, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'm seeing 120000 total pages edited too. You're the first one to notice, but I'm guessing this happens for most/all of users. Looks like my hope that our [[HRWiki talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4|problems since upgrading]] were all fixed has been dashed.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:29, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
::Thing is, this didn't happen at the same time as any of the changes (at least not that I know of). Although, the most obvious culprit is the time zone change, but the problem didn't occur until a while after that happened.
::I just noticed that the total pages edited field is always 40000*days - so if you select 6 hours (0.25 days), it shows 10000. I'd like to know where that figure comes from... but I'd need file and database access to verify, and that would probably be a little too much to ask :) --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pidgeot|(e)]] 23:39, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:I've just seen it as well. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 16:36, 20 April 2005 (BST)
:Same here -- <tt>Posted by: [[User:-erson|-erson]] [[User talk:-erson|Talk]]</tt> 23:41, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:This happened to me too. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 16:20, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
::Pidgeot, if you have any specific queries you need me to run, just ask. I'm all about getting to the bottom of this.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:16, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:::I'm afraid I need to examine things close up for me to try and determine anything - I have a number of ideas, but testing any of them is an extensive process, and it would be much easier to do this myself.
:::Could you possibly supply me with a MySQL database dump and a copy of your MediaWiki installation (in case you have files that for some reason are different from a standard MediaWiki 1.4 installation), so I can work on it remotely? I can supply you with a variety of methods of getting the files to me - FTP, a GMail account to send to, etc. (You can e-mail me if you want to discuss it more privately - just click the (e) in my sig.) --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pidgeot|(e)]] 17:20, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::Heh, I just tried that (e), but it looks like our User email function isn't working for some reason. The link in the toolbox doesn't show up on user pages either. Anyway, send me an email at [mailto:tom@hrwiki.org tom@hrwiki.org] and we'll talk. Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:07, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::::Fixed, thanks to Pidgeot's help. For more information, see [http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1778 MediaWiki bug 1778].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:16, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Refactoring the Main Page ==

How would people feel about having the main page refactored to be more like Wikipedia? I think we've got enough content that we could highlight a different article each week and keep a rolling "did you know" list. I also like Wikipedia's category links at the top of the main page. What does everyone think? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 22:30, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:I suggested this too up in "Article of the Day?" on this page. I fully support it.

::I don't think out category system is set up to be navigated like Wikipedia's is. Additionally, running the "Article of the whatever" would be a full-time job. We'd also need someone to come up with a system. The idea sounds nice, but how would you do it? Remember, the english language Wikipedia has 550 times as many legitimate content articles and 165 times as many registered users as we do.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:22, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::You're right. I don't think we have enough content to run an article of the day, but I wouldn't mind being in charge of a weekly or monthly featured article. It might be nice to set up a page where users could nominate articles to be featured, just to give me ideas. I also wouldn't mind scouting the wiki for strange facts to post in a "did you know" section. In fact, I think that would be fun. In short, I'm willing to do it if people want to see it done. In regard to categories, we could simply use our current [[Toons]], [[Strong Bad Email]], etc. pages instead of pointing to the categories themselves. An "in the news" section (though probably called something else) would also be useful for a quick glance at the most recent toons/emails.

:::As a corollary to this, we would probably want to move specifically wiki-related content off the front page and onto some sort of community portal page. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:14, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::I've created a [[User:JoeyDay/Main Page Mock-up|mock-up]] of my main page idea. Not much different from Wikipedia's main page, but I figure what works for them should work just as well for us. I would of course build a bunch of templates to include most of the content. This is just a start. I don't want to spend too much more time on it unless more people want to see it happen. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:13, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::I'm fully for this new Main Page. It looks great! I think we will be able to have a new article everyweek and everything. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 01:22, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Although the new features are cool, I don't like how it makes the original list of pages less accessable. Much less accessable. -- [[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 01:52, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::I don't like the "Browse" or any of that other stuff on there- one reason I really like this wiki is because it's so simple. Browse and all that other stuff make it sort of confusing. To me, anyways. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

:::The mock up looks nice, but there are still some things I don't think we need. You solved my category issue very well, but like Firebird mentioned, those links in the "Browse" line there are a bit cumbersome, and I can't actually picture someone using them. I think they work for Wikipedia simply because Wikipedia has a lot of subjects. We don't. How would our [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Browse|Browse]] page look?
:::Joshua makes another good point. Quite a few of the article links were left out. This might be because they would end up somewhere else in the new system, but I like having links for things like [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]] on there.
:::Now that I've seen more of the proposal, I'm liking the idea of featured something of the something, and the idea of a "What's new" section on the front page, but I'm not feeling good about the "Did you know?" section. That would be a job and a half for someone to manage.
:::Oh, I noticed for Wikipedia's "anyone can edit" link you went to our :About page. I kind of like the newer [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Introduction|Introduction guide]] that Wikipedia set up back in December. I'd be willing to set that up for us.
:::Oh, and the portal is a great idea too.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:32, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I have laid out a preliminary Categorization scheme on my [[User:Drhaggis|User Page]] for use in the new main page navigation This represents all of the top-level categories. Comments are welcome. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 17:02, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::I've also created a [[User:Tom/Introduction Mock-up|Introduction mock-up]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:35, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::Looks great Tom. Are we getting a community portal? It would be a great non-forum way to discuss the Wiki. If so it should be called "Meet-up at the Stick" or some such thing [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 17:44, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::I think we're seriously considering it, as Joey mentioned it in his mock up and discussion as well. "Meet-up at The Stick" sounds like the right name for it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:49, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::Call me stupid, but I'm not exactly sure what a community portal is. Can anyone explain it to me? →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

:::::Wikipdia has their [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Community Portal|Commnuity Portal]] you could check out. Basically, they don't have a forum and use the wiki itself for discusion of wiki-related topics.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:57, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::Wow, man! Both mock-ups are fantastic! I really hope that they'll be used. [[User:señor|»ßenit, known as señor«]]

==Interviews/Presentations==

Since we're now starting to make pages for genuine interviews of, and presentations by [[TBC]], what about actually putting them somewhere, besides just 'sightings'. I figure that since they're put out BY [[TBC]], and not more or less fanstuff, they should get their own section linked to from the main page, under Wiki Stuff, maybe as 'Interviews' or something, and then as such, sort out all the websites we have with transcrips of interviews and stuff, and transcribe them, maybe put a few fun facts in there, ect, make them all genuine pages. I think it would really add to the usefulness of the Wiki. Any ideas? If the sysops ('''EDIT:''' Hey, That's Me!) are up to adding to the main page, I volunteer to personally spearhead, to an extent, (I'll have much more spare time as of May the 1st), this undertaking, along with transcribing, ect. Plus many of the interviews are already transcribed on the pages we're linked to, our transcriptions could just edit for typos, maybe censor a word or two, but be useful incase these pages are ever shut down, the interviews lost forever. Okay, any comments/suggestions? ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'' 01:08, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Sounds good to me.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:16, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==Signatures==

The signatures look like crap now thanks to 1.4.0

i spent a whole day trying to reformat me signature

then finally i got it.

it is so annoying though but if you want a cool signature like this one :[[User:pertmywert|pertmywert]][[User talk:pertmywert|talk]] copy this:<nowiki>pertmywert]][[User talk:pertmywert|talk</nowiki>

Just replace my name bit's and put in your name

:Actually, 1.4 handles signatures better than previous versions. You just need to make sure your preferences are set correctly.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:23, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I think my Sig is pretty cool... ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'' 22:25, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:I can't see your arrows any more. Is this a font problem or what? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 22:28, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

What? My Arrows? My precious little arrows? I can still see them. Keep on Arrowing, my Arrowies. Seriously though, can you not see them? If not, does anyone have any ideas why? I like my arrows. ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'' 22:42, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:In order to see the arrows, you must have Japanese fonts installed. These can be installed through the Control Panel. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 13:49, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::You're so smart. Yay for Pidgeot! →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

:::Yup, I can see them on my laptop which has Japanese fonts installed. Cool. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 00:47, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::Sweet, kinda like a special little easter egg only if you have the right font. Btw, here's another 'easter egg', just finished it today, and it'll only work on my sig starting now. Try clicking on the two arrows individually... ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|?]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|?]]</tt>'' 04:57, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::::Cute addition. You should have some sort of.... arrow... rap. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 05:24, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::::"Arrows in the front, arrows in the back, get down get down, offa that [[secret recipies|smoke stack!]]." Hows that? ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|?]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|?]]</tt>'' 05:29, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==Borders==
So it's not that big of a deal or anything, but I think thin black borders around the current logo would look awesome. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''
:Yeah, you might have something there. Here's what they might like:
::[http://img2.echo.cx/img2/5051/req69bg.png Medium]
::[http://img2.echo.cx/img2/6681/req77er.png Thick]
::[http://img2.echo.cx/img2/6194/req83kw.png Thin]
:Especially with Homestar himself having a black border. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

::You can tweak the CSS all you want. Maybe a little <tt>#p-logo{border:thin solid black;}</tt>?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:11, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::([[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]])

::::Oh no no no, that's not what I meant at all. Please do not edit that. I was talking about FireBird's personal CSS at "User:FireBird/monobook.css".[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:45, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::Wow, I didn't know you could do that.....! [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]] 23:37, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

== Back Links ==

I was just wondering, does anyone else think it'd be a good idea to have little links at the top and/or bottom of pages that return to the main page that links to it? For example, [[flashback]] would have a link at the top that would say something like "Back to [[Strong Bad Email]]" (maybe with some cool border around it). I think it'd make browsing around the site easier. For me, anyway. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]] 22:41, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
Back to [[Strong Bad Email]]> 
it could maybe look like that

:I think a link to the page would do just fine instead of a template and all that. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

::I love the idea of the link back, but I think the border is a little much. ~ [[User:señor|»ßenit, known as señor«]]

:::K, screw the template. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

::::This sounds like a good idea, but isn't it already half done? There's a link to [[Strong Bad Email]] in [[:Template:Strong Bad Email]]. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 15:45, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::It's also in the navigation bar on the left side of the screen. And there's the browser back button. Plus many pages link from more than one place. Unfeasable, and unneeded, in my opinion. ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|?]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|?]]</tt>'' 01:55, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::::::Note, I just deleted that template and copied the style span here. The only thing I added was the closing span tag.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:58, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::Well, about the browser back button, many times I click on the discussion page, maybe click edit, then maybe article again so when I want to go back I end up hitting back 3-4 times. Otherwise, do you think we should make those sbemail templates for other things like toons, too? [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

== Unused images ==

I've just been looking at the [[Special:Unusedimages|unused image list]], and it suprises me just how many there are. Some are not needed anymore (to pick at random, "sketchbook serpented.PNG" is a good example), while some appear to be for personal use, but never used on the wiki itself (see images 90 to 102, and others). Should somebody delete some of these, or at least put them on their respective pages? (providing they are not redundant or personal) --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 16:29, 3 May 2005 (BST)

== Interwiki Links ==

I think the [[HR:|interwiki links]] are ugly in the default stylesheet. I'd like to change them to look identical to [http://www.homestarrunner.com external links], but I'm not sure that would be the best way to do things. Anyone else have ideas? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:51, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

:I like them how they are. Light blue without the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Talk:Main_Page#Interwiki_Links tiny arrow] is interwiki, and with the arrow is external. Dark blue is internal. It always made sense to me. It's also the standard on Wikipedia and every other MediaWiki site that I can recall. If people really don't like it, they can always adjust their personal CSS in their user page.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:31, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::Actually, now that I'm thinking straight, the interwiki links I was looking at were ''visited'' interwiki links. I don't like that particular shade of blue. I guess I'll go change my own stylesheet. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 04:25, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Heh, you just visit too many interwiki links then. Hmm. That's c00. Oops, I mean, that's 00c. Er, that's cool.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:55, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::::Actually, now that I've examined the stylesheet, there really wasn't a difference between visited or unvisited interwiki links. It really was a dirty looking shade of blue. I've changed the global stylesheet so that interwiki links and external links are the same color. I won't add the arrow to interwiki links though, even though I'd like to since they are technically still outgoing links. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:11, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

== Strong Bad Email link in navigation box ==

Does anyone actually use the Strong Bad Email link in the navigation box to the left? If enough people use it, I suppose we should leave it there, but I'm starting to think it's a little silly. If we link to Strong Bad Email from the sidebar, why don't we link to Toons, Games, Characters, etc. from the sidebar? Where do we draw the line? What makes Strong Bad Email so much more important than other pages? Just a thought. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:35, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

:I think it is a very busy link. As much as we like to remain NPOV, Strong Bad Emails are quite the popular feature of homestarrunner.com. The Brothers Chaps seem to acknowledge this in their focus on the emails, and perhaps the fact that they are so often updated is another reason to keep it. I don't know what others think, but I think the link can stay.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:40, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::Same here. ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|?]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|?]]</tt>'' 01:56, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::I use it a lot. I think we should put it below "H*R.com updates" though. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 05:56, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Done. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:12, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

== Something's Up... ==

Hey, has this been popping up for anybody else?

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the
software. The last attempted database query was: (SQL query hidden) from
within function "MediaWikiBagOStuff:_doquery". MySQL returned error "1062:
Duplicate entry 'hrwiki_mwiki:messages:Sitenotice' for key 1 (localhost)".

I'm sure it's a MediaWiki glitch, but I wanted to see if anyone else is having this problem. If an admin could help out, it would be greatly apreciated. Thanks! --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 20:38, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

:I've gotten this too. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

::I've seen it several times, too. Perhaps we should sic [[User:Tom|Tom]] and [[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] on it. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:44, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

:::I wish I were as smart as them. They're like, amazing. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

::::It's all a matter of learning by doing. Go get Apache, PHP (zipped version, NOT installer), MySQL and PHPMyAdmin, set them up on a Windows machine (mostly automatic), and start playing around. Find someone who already knows about these things, so you have someone to turn to when things don't go your way. Then write a small program of some sort. It could be anything - for me, my first PHP program was a POKéMON management system that kept track on your POKéMON and their training, whilst calculating various things about them, but that's probably too high a starting point for most people. ^_^ --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:25, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

It just happened to me again. It wasn't too bad a while ago, but now, it's becoming more frequent. To reiterate: Something's up... --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 20:53, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

:Same here, I just got two in as many minutes. The only thing I recognize in there is the [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice|site notice]], but I don't think that helps here. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 22:18, 6 May 2005 (BST)

::I've gotten it too a couple of times. Never really thought too much about it. I've done a few database queries and [[Wikipedia:grep]]s on the MediaWiki software, but I haven't found anything.
::I may need a new database dump if I'm to make an indepth analysis and find out what's wrong - the error didn't occur until after I got my copy, so if it's database-related, I wouldn't have the error here. However, I've got an idea as to what it might be, so if Tom'd be so kind as to run a single query on the database for me, and tell me the result, I might be able to find the solution that way.
::The query that needs to be run is <tt>SELECT * FROM cur WHERE cur_title LIKE '%sitenotice'</tt>. Since the error is periodic, rather than permanent, it probably won't return a useful result, but it's worth a shot.
::Oh, if anyone has seen the error WITHOUT the query hidden (can sysops do that? Or maybe Tom?), it would help me immensly if you could tell me what the query is. That way, I can see what exactly is causing the error, and locate the PHP file sending that query to MySQL. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:25, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
:::Actually, scratch that. I think I has the solution!
:::I need a sysop to go to [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] and put a single dash (-) as the article text - similar to what they have at [[Wikipedia:MediaWiki:Sitenotice]]. Appearantly, there's an issue somewhere that causes odd behavior when it's blank, but the dash will work as if it were blank.
:::With a little luck, that should do the trick. I haven't gone in-depth with the issue, though, I just remembered reading somewhere that it should be a dash instead of blanked. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:30, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

::::Done. I did notice that this started to happen after I blanked the sitenotice. Let's see if the dash fixes it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:37, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::See, this is the problem with periodic errors - they don't appear when you want them to. :P (Oh, I edited my above post slightly - it's such an obvious quote that I '''had''' to use it :)) --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:51, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Arg. I got the error again just now when trying to save changes to [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]].

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a
bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
(SQL query hidden)
from within function "MediaWikiBagOStuff:_doquery". MySQL
returned error "1062: Duplicate entry 'hrwiki_mwiki:messages'
for key 1 (localhost)".

Does this mean there's corruption in another db record? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:40, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
:Well, it's not the same error message, so the problem is elsewhere in the database (the fix might be the same, though). I suggest you keep a lookout for whether or not it appears again, since it COULD be an isolated incident.
:I'm slightly puzzled with the error returned by this one, since it seems to suggest that there's a problem with a '''namespace'''... but I might be wrong there. I'll take a quick peek at my dump and see if I can come up with anything.
:BTW, if it's possible, it would be nice if you could enable display of these queries, at least for sysops (such as yourself). This would help a lot with finding the error quickly. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:12, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
:Added 21:29, 13 May 2005 (UTC): The only thing that comes to mind is if the article/message has no title. I did actually find two of these in my dump - shown by the query <code><nowiki>SELECT * FROM cur WHERE cur_title=''</nowiki></code> - but neither of these are in the namespace suggested by the error message. -- [[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike>

== More interwiki links? ==

I've been thinking lately it would be nice if we set up Videlectrix, Thorax Corp, and Mellow Mushroom as sister sites. This would make it possible for us to create interwiki links to them in the same way we currently link to Homestar Runner. If I set these up, how should I do the links? I was thinking "Videlectrix" for Videlectrix, "Thorax" for Thorax Corp., and "Mushroom" for Mellow Mushroom.

And speaking of Mellow Mushroom, does anyone else think we should be transcribing those toons as well? I know we are only a Homestar Runner knowledge-base, but Mellow Mushroom is a big part of TBC lore. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 22:39, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, I wondered if we were going to do that on [[HRWiki talk:Projects]]. It's a good idea (I mean, if we link to Wikipedia we should link to those). And, we might as well do MM transcripts.....
:Oh yeah and maybe an interwiki link to the H*R store, too. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]] 03:10, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

:And we should also have interwiki links to the forum, I guess. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 07:48, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

::[[Mellow Mushroom]] transcripts and articles have been nixed on the respective [[Talk:Mellow Mushroom|talk page]] for a long time. The toons are not written by The Brothers Chaps, they simply did the animation. I do not think we need an interwiki link for that either. Videlectrix and Thorax seem alright though.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:48, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

I've added the [[HRStore:|Homestar Runner store]], [[Videlectrix:|Videlectrix]], and [[Thorax:|Thorax Corp.]] to our interwiki links. I've also styled them for standards-compliant browser users. We should start changing links to these three places all over the wiki. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:49, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

== Thousand ==

One thousandth article. That's pretty cool. I should probably celebrate... oh! I know! article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article... forget it. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 02:15, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

:The ten millionth page view and 100,000th edit are coming soon[[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]
:page view, page view, page view, page view, page view, page view, page view, page view...

== New blockquote style... ==

I've created a new default style for blockquotes.

<blockquote>This is a quoted block of text. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Vivamus vestibulum. Quisque adipiscing. Proin bibendum justo eu nunc. Nam pulvinar, ligula vel accumsan vestibulum, wisi sem vehicula leo, vitae condimentum nisl erat vitae nisl. Vivamus lacinia, est in rhoncus lacinia, enim magna tristique sapien, nec suscipit lorem magna at tortor. Pellentesque iaculis diam vel elit. Nunc a felis vel odio fringilla sollicitudin. Nullam et ipsum. Pellentesque porta nisl in justo. Pellentesque malesuada lacus sed elit. Vestibulum rutrum mi et mauris. Praesent sit amet quam. Phasellus rhoncus ipsum et mi egestas sagittis. Maecenas vel massa id lectus commodo faucibus. Integer varius blandit quam. Etiam dapibus mi nec nunc. Pellentesque eu felis quis ante rhoncus porta.

Donec pulvinar. Duis malesuada leo tempor mi. In orci odio, dictum varius, porttitor sit amet, accumsan ac, turpis. Integer tincidunt, dolor vel consequat vulputate, turpis quam bibendum odio, blandit lobortis nunc dui sit amet arcu. Mauris euismod libero sed leo. Mauris luctus risus sit amet justo. Class aptent taciti sociosqu ad litora torquent per conubia nostra, per inceptos hymenaeos. In vel libero in leo ullamcorper luctus. Integer ante nibh, lobortis in, fermentum eu, aliquet ac, ante. Etiam ornare. Mauris eleifend. Cras vel massa. Phasellus erat lacus, auctor vel, aliquam et, ullamcorper eget, urna. Praesent vestibulum lacinia odio. In nec dui ac mi sodales facilisis. Nunc laoreet turpis et tellus.</blockquote>

Only problem now is you have to put in your own <code>p</code> and <code>br</code> tags. Is there any way to do a blockquote with wiki formatting? What does everyone think of the style? (If you aren't seeing it, try Ctrl-F5 to do a hard refresh.) — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 21:06, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

:What about something more to differentiate, such as a blue line on the left side, or what would be really cool, a giant ' { ' to stretch from the top to the bottom along the left side. I think it needs something easily noticible, probably different colored. '''EDIT:''' My bad, looks like it's got the blue line now. I still think the stretching '{' would be pretty cool though... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 22:27, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
::A stretching "{" would be very hard to do. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]
::Otherwise, you can put it in the css as like heading 5 so it's like <nowiki>"======Blockquote Text======"</nowiki>, but I don't know if you'd want to do that. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

:::Yeah, the blue line was there from the start. Those of you who aren't seeing it should try a hard refresh (Ctrl+F5). — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 14:43, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

::Is that a idea of what to repace ''{stuff like this}'' with? If so, I don't like it as much. Sorry. -- '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]''''' 15:53, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

:::I think some of you might be utterly confused. A <code>blockquote</code> is used for quoting large blocks of text. It won't be used as header level 5 or to replace curly braces. It will be used instead of <code>pre</code> when quoting things like emails. See [[Talk:Penguin Brothers Interview - 26 May 2003]] for a good example of what I'm talking about. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:20, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

==kitkorp==

[http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/ kitkorp sub-page dealie]

<strike>Shouldn't we have some kinda page for this? What exactly is this, is this another 'museum' type thing the brothers chaps made for inquisitive folks like us? Shouldn't we have some kind of guiding walkthrough or something for this page? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:07, 20 May 2005 (UTC)</strike>

:Ah, I see. Fansite mirror of entire website with bonus old data. Gotcha. Clever. Never mind... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:42, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

== suggestion for front page ==

I think the front page here would greatly benefit from having a box with the 5 or so most recent updates from the [[H*R.com updates]] page. I hate when I come here to see what's new on hr.com and I have to click links, instead of just seeing. what do you think?

:1. Please sign your posts, by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> after them. 2. It is a good idea, and we've been working on incorperating it into a new main page. It's been under some discussion [[User_talk:JoeyDay/Main_Page_Mock-up#What.27s_new|here]]. Welcome to the wiki. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:20, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

::Speaking of main page changes, I think the [[User:JoeyDay/Main_Page_Mock-up|new main page layout]] is ready to go live sometime this week. I'd really appreciate some last-minute feedback on the [[User talk:JoeyDay/Main Page Mock-up|talk page]]. Most notably, we need [[HRWiki:Featured article nominations|nominations for featured articles]]. Thanks. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 03:41, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

*Joey Day you rock! THe Main Page looks Shuper Shweet! [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 19:01, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

== The New Main Page ==
Let me be the first to thank [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] for all of his hard work in getting this new main page up and running. Suggestions to make this page better? Questions/Comments? Post 'em here! {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:50, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

:I think the new Main Page is hawt. However, I'm not a fan of the small-caps in the "Browse the Knowledge-Base" section. It works fine for the sub-headings (e.g. "Features", "Weeklies"), but not so much for the links themselves. IMHO. Anyway, great work Joey. — [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 18:53, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

::I kindof like the small-caps for all the nav items, but I wouldn't be opposed to making the "browse" section normal-caps if enough people really want it. So, what say ye? Anyone else not like the small-caps in the browse section? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:14, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

::I would like it normal- as in, capitalize the first letter of the word. It makes it look a bit cluttered and stuffed like it is now. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 21:07, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

:I personally think that the new [[Main Page]] is awesome. I like how you can post a pic from the newest toon/game!! --[[User:kerrek slaya|kerrek slaya]] 19:03, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

:I like it. Great jorb! --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]|[[User talk:acekirby13|My Talk]] 19:39, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

:WOW surprised me that this design is finally up. Good job! [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

:I am dissapointed mainly because now there is no link to STUFF. Personally, I think STUFF should be added to the navigation bar/ [[User:TakuaKaita600|TK600]] 22:16, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah, where's the quick links to STUFF, Sightings, WikiTroll and the like? Other than that, I like it. -- '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]''''' 00:57, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Wikitroll and STUFF can be found at [[HRWiki:The Stick|The Stick]]. I think Sightings can fit somewhere on the Main Page. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 03:01, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

::::Sightings is still on the main page. It's in the "Miscellany" section (it's been there since the new layout went live). STUFF and WikiTroll are linked to from The Stick. In fact, I just added a Quick Menu box to The Stick to facilitate easier navigation. The main reason for moving those links is that the Main Page is the pretty face we present to visitors and users. It should really only contain links to the actual content of the knowledge-base. With the creation of The Stick, we finally have a separate place to move maintenance type links out of the way. Does this make sense? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:14, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

:I think that maybe the text should be smaller...I opened it up and was like, "Who set the text size so big?" But then I checked the navigation bar and saw it was normal. But anyway, I think it's awesome! It's like Wikipedia. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 03:05, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

::The reason it looks so big is because every word is capitalized, just the first word is bigger. In my opinion, it would look better normal, but it doesn't really matter either way.{{User:FireBird/sig}} 03:10, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

:::The "welcome" message is actually in a larger font. Everything else is normal. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:14, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

== What The... ==

What the crap happened to the main page? Who edited it?? -Kinsey

:JoeyDay updated it, Kinsey. You can check the status by clicking [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=history here]. JoeyDay does awesome work. --[[User:The Paper|The Paper]] 21:36, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

I gotta be honest, I don't like it. I guess it takes getting used to. But who asked me? -Alice

== What's New? ==

Shouldn't any user be allowed to edit that section? I propose that we make that section a template and link to the template from the main page. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 19:03, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

*Agreed. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 19:05, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

::Er... [[Template:whatsnew|it is a template]]. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 19:06, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

== Low Bandwith? ==
I remember on 5/28 to 6/1 or something close that the bandwidth was down. Why? Too many viewers?-user, not signed in.

:Yes, essentially, too many visitors. We use an incredible amount of bandwidth here and it just keeps growing. We were lucky that we didn't pass the limit until close to the end of the month. The best solution to the bandwidth problems is to [[HRWiki:Donations|help us pay our hosting costs]]. — [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 13:48, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::Same thing happened last month for two hours or so.[[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

:::Happened to me, too
: No need to point that out - it happened to EVERYBODY between those dates. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 15:42, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps HRWIKI has other reasons to use them or is getting a better deal, but the transfer limits on Goleman's $50 plan (as per their products page) seems to be low. Could this be addressed with Goleman Networks without additional funding? — ''gsw''

:I'm not sure what you're looking at, because there isn't a $50 plan on Goleman Networks' product page, but you're right. The numbers on that page are pretty low. Fortunately, Mr. Goleman is a good friend of mine and he's giving us an awesome deal: 150 GB per month at $50 per month — and it's still not enough! — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:47, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::Unless you can get Mr. Goleman to give you a better deal, maybe you should try switching the default skin to a less bandwidth-intensive layout, such as Standard or CologneBlue. If users would rather have Monobook, they can just register and change their preferences. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 16:56, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:Sorry, I meant Products->Hosting, which shows a 5 GB limit. Sounds like you've got it covered, though. 'Nuff said. — ''gsw''

If the HRWiki is really using that much bandwidth, optimizing frequently used images is probably a good idea. I took around 6 kB off the logo by running it through Optipng (uploaded to [[:Image:wiki.png]]). I'd suggest a similar treatment for other interface graphics. On the English Wikipedia, the logo was transmitted enough that knocking 500 '''bytes''' off the size was beneficial enough to bother with. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 23:15, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)

== *Tink* easter egg ==

Well, i found something that isn't useful, but is a bit unusual. In the main menu 4, (the bowling one) if you roll your mouse over the games sign 1 time, it will leave 2 pins standing. If you do it again, it produces a *tink* sound.

:Hmmmmm... Well... Ummm.... Wow. Just... Wow. Actually, it's already been meantioned [[Main Page 4|here]]. This is more the place for discussions about the Wiki Main Page, or the Wiki as a whole. This comment probably would have been best directed [[Talk:Main Page 4|here]]. We do appreciate the input and watchfullness though, just try and direct most comments to their respective talk pages. And welcome to the wiki. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:09, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Possible Troll? ==

Call me crazy, but I not only clicked on the new email rap link, I checked it against the website. As of this moment, the email rap is still the same as it was. Is somebody trolling? --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 14:51, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:No, this is valid. The scroll buttons rap has been changed. Hit refresh, or something. Your browser is probably being stupid. --[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 14:55, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Wiki interview ==
As of now we are the biggest Homestar Runner fan-site. We have everything, everyone and every-toon cataloged and transcribed in their own page. But still, there are so much we don't know for sure, like:
*Is [[Stickly Man]] realy [[The Poopsmith]]?
*Is [[Homsar]] [[The Bossman]]?
*Who is the [[Unnamed Characters|Unnamed Girl]]?
*Or [[The Unguraits]]?
*Did a certain character realy refered to a certain thing in pop-colture/game/other toon when he said/did something?
*Did a character realy said this, or that?
*Is [[Creepy Comb-Over Strong Bad]] realy [[Senor Cardgage]]?
*What was TBC's real part in [[Mellow Mushroom]]?
*What was the deal with [[Puppet Jam: Mission Control]]? Was it an actual puppet thing they had on the site and removed? Or was it just a joke?
*And so on.

If we want to answer these questions and others, I think we sould ask for an intrview fron the brothers Chaps and ask them those questions so we can stop arguing over this silly things. [[User:E.L. Cool|E.L. Cool]] 12:20, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:I've always wondered why they labled one of the [[Floppy Disk Container]]s 'Hypou Blade' instead of 'Hyper Blade'. Among other things... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 02:07, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::So let's make a list of questions to TBC and just ask them! [[User:E.L. Cool|E.L. Cool]] 04:41, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::Well sure, you can always email them and try your hand at getting a reply. Beyond that though... Don't know if there's much you can do to ENSURE a reply. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:34, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::::Its worth a shot, sure. I think if people have any particularly pressing comments they should add them to the list above..However I would be cautious; more likely than not TBC left some of these minor details ambiguous, and probably don't really think that they are big enough points to merit an "interview"...However, without my pessimist side showing I think its a good idea! -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]]

::::Hmmm.. I ''would'' try my hand at this but English is not my primary language. It takes me like, 5 minutes to write this thing here. If it was Hebrew on the other hand... :) [[User:E.L. Cool|E.L. Cool]] 06:07, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==Internet==
<blockquote>We're currently working on # articles about our favorite internet cartoon.</blockquote>
should be
<blockquote>We're currently working on # articles about our favorite Internet cartoon.</blockquote>

Confused? Read [http://www.answers.com/internet&r=67 this]. --'''[[User:porplemontage|Steve]]''' (''[[User talk:porplemontage|talk]]'') 23:12, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Fixed.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:31, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==MediaWiki 1.5==

Will the H*R Wiki and the H*R Fanstuff Wiki be upgrading to [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.5 MediaWiki 1.5]?

While I'm here, I'll just outline some of the new features of 1.5:
*Able to edit the [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/MediaWiki:Sidebar sidebar] a whole lot easier
*Random [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Randompage/Image images], [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Randompage/Category categories], [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Randompage/User user pages], etc.
*Quickly [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Log/move revert moved pages] (for sysops)
*New image uploads only generate one entry in [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Recentchanges Recent Changes] instead of two
*Page moves are logged in [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php?title=Stupidpage&action=history Page History]
*You can choose what name Images [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Upload upload as]
*Possible to choose the namespace in [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Recentchanges Recent Changes]
*A new Print tab

The [[Wikipedia:Main Page|English Wikipedia]] has already upgraded. -- [[User:Super Sam|Super Sam]] 13:30, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:I'd suggest waiting a bit. MW 1.5 is still beta, and they keep discovering new and exciting bugs each time they upgrade a different Wikipedia. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 13:45, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::I think if the Wikipedia has already upgraded, it's good enough for us. -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 14:01, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:::Yeah, it's still beta. It looks great, but we are going to wait until it's a stable release. And probably a itsy-bit longer.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:17, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:::Wikipedia DELIBERATELY use the betas to help find and iron out bugs (after all, MediaWiki was developed for that site). Beta is not suitable for most sites, as there's almost guaranteed to be problems. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 15:34, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:Remember that the Mediawiki developers and the Wikimedia technical crew are pretty well one and the same. When your sysadmins wrote the thing, you can live a little closer to the edge. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 02:08, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::And just to drive the point home, MediaWiki 1.5b2 has been released, which fixes some exciting security holes, including at least one SQL injection bug. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 04:34, 7 Jul 2005 (UTC)

== Articles Needing Merging ==

I think we should have both a template, and a category for articles that need to be merged. For instance, [[Cardboard Marzipan]] should be merged with [[Minor Alternate Versions]] (yes, I know this has happened already.) I think the template would go something like this: 
<div class="boilerplate metadata" style="padding: .1em; margin: 3px; width: auto; background: #EDF1F1; border: 1px solid #999999; text-align: center;">
'''This article, <nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki>, is up for merging with <nowiki> [[{{{1}}}]]. To voice your opinions on this, please see this page's [[Talk:{{PAGENAME}}|talk article]]</nowiki>'''</div>
[[:Category:Articles Needing Merging]] 
Anybody have any opinions on this? --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 17:31, 7 July 2005 (BST)

:Note that we have [[HRWiki:Projects#Things to Merge]] and [[HRWiki:Cleanup#Merge and Redirect]] already.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:20, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I didn't know that. I guess I should go look around the wiki a bit more. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 16:58, 6 July 2005 (BST)

Talk:Main Page

Cyrius — Sun, 03 Jul 2005 23:15:57 GMT

Cyrius: /* Low Bandwith? */ Suggestion

<div class="plainlinks" style="font-family: georgia; border: 1px dashed #06f; background: #eef; padding: 0.5em; margin: 0.5em 0.5em 1em; text-align: center;">Main page doesn't look right? 
— [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=purge Purge the cache] —</div>

:''In order to shorten the size of this page, all conversations before the 30th of December have been archived. You can access the archive [[HRWiki:Main Page Talk Archive|here]].''

== Every thing is fine now ==
um what happened the last 3-4 days? i could not get on the wiki --[[User:djm1791|djm1791]] 05:33, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Bandwidth ran out. It's been discussed. Everything is fine. Nothing is ruined. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 05:36, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

but what does that mean & were can i find this discosion? --[[User:djm1791|djm1791]] 05:38, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Bottom of this page, for one. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 05:49, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

thanks --[[User:djm1791|djm1791]] 05:53, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Shouldn't there be a character reference for the Strong brothers' mother? I know we never see her, but she does seem to be around somewhere since they refer to her (as in the SB email, "the facts).

== What the crap? ==

Why am I not on the list of registered users? --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]

:You're number 439.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:42, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)

== 2004/2005 Tsunami Donation Link ==

I was just reading up on the [[Wikipedia:2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake|Indian Ocean Earthquake]] and realized how incredibly horrible this event was, and I'm seriously thinking we need some kind of banner to a donation link to the Wikipedia donation page. Or something like that. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

How very specific your request is.
-[[User:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf|Fhq]]

Fhq, what's your point? It's a good idea, don't give him crap because he's thinking larger than himself.
Bird, perhaps you should send Joey a PM on the forum. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]

:Just in case anyone was wondering, we won't be adding a notice to the Main Page. If you'd like to put a notice on your userpage, that would be acceptable.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:14, 7 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Dubious reference solution ==

Over the past few Strongbad e-mail articles, I've read a lot of (to be frank) farfetched suggestions of references that TBCs are presumably making to other stuff. Maybe, if you're 100% sure that something is intended as a reference (for example, a character name or line very specific to one TV show), then it's fine to say it's a reference. But if something just seems to remind you of something else (for example, a song that sounds kinda-sorta like a song that was played in the 23rd episode of some TV series), then it's more accurate to say that it is '''reminiscent''' of something, rather than a reference to something.

Just a suggestion.

:A wonderful suggestion, and it goes along with the ongoing discussion we are having regarding the overhaul of our current fun fact system. Thank you for your concern and idea.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:52, 13 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Locking down the main page ==

I visited today and noticed that the main page had been defaced. Someone else restored the last known good version, but it seems to me that the front page should not be editable by just anyone for this exact reason. Even the main page of Wikipedia is off-limits to anyone except staff...
:Yes, I want the main page protected as well... [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]-<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|?</tt>]] 14:05, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)
-It happened again. This must be done NOW.

:Look, the template does nothing to prevent trolling; it's a redundancy. Locking down the Main Page is a good way to go, since nothing really changes there, anyway. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 14:26, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

I find it funny how the MediaWiki's been around for at least 5 months now and only NOW are people starting to complain about wanting the Main Page locked down. Personally, I think it's prime idiot bait, as in "if you deface the main page, you're automatically not fit to be on the wiki." --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 15:02, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

You could have a way to detect whether someone is severely defaceing the page or not. --[[User:67.161.224.65|67.161.224.65]]

::Okay, due to several requests and the seeming lack of need to update the Main Page, I've protected it. Please note that I do not like having it protected, this being a wiki and all, but I agree that it really doesn't need to be edited that much and is just sitting there as troll fodder. Thanks to all who helped with that last batch of defacement.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:12, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

:::I never change the main page, so I'm pretty happy with that, but I do have one concern. Might the Trollers who automatically go to work on the Main Page to start with, now be forced to move onto smaller, harder to detect defacements on other pages? What if we're only spreading the diease? [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'']] 18:46, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)
[http://hydrocodone-apap.7h.com/ hydrocodone apap]
::::A good concern, and lucky for me I have this wonderful ditty to cite:
::::''...the fact is that for every troll with too much spare time, there are 100 users with just as much spare time ready and eager to undo that troll's (un)work. The fact is, the trolls always get bored before the users do, because the users are emotionally invested in what they've created and the Wiki moves fast enough that the average trolling only lasts about two minutes before it's reverted. A troll's work is hardly ever noticed by anybody, but a legitimate user's work is always noticed and appreciated. That's why wikis work. — InterruptorJones 15:37, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)'' ([[User_talk:FireBird#Question_from_Troll|ref]])
::::Simply put, that's just how wikis work. We'll notice no matter where or how small, and they will get tired.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:55, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::::::That is, unless said troll or trolls are emotionally invested in destroying the wiki. --Guest

::Good answer, thanks. Come to think of it, I guess if everyone has on their watchlist the pages they created, or just care for, then likely whatever page is edited will be watched by SOMEBODY. Thanks for the quick reply. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'']] 17:36, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)

Well, I want to edit the main page. I have a feature in mind that I think would be appreciated by all (I know I'll use it), but would require a little updating every now and again. How about you just make the main page editable by registered members? Disallow guests from editing it. I await the unlocking to reveal my idea.
--Rgb9000

:If it's such a great idea, why can't you just say it? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 00:25, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Fair question. I want to do the actual edit so that I'll be properly credited in the history for the implementation. --[[User:Rgb9000|Rgb9000]] 01:28, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Well, it's a Wiki, so you can't really take credit beyond putting on your userpage that you were the one to do something. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 01:45, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Is it making a link to the newest (H*R) updates on the main page (to the pages of the updates themselves, not to the updates page)? Because that would be quite nice. (but would require updating every week or so). -- 82.81.whatever

== Rejects? ==
Where did Rejects go?? What the? -- Asploder

:Away. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 23:57, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)

::Yes, they're all categorised now, but I don't know where they went. [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|?</tt>]] 18:08, 14 Feb 2005 (MST)

They all went to better places. Characters are now characters, items are now classified as items. Fancy that ;) [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 21:48, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

== Confusion over moving dates ==

The [[Main Page]] says that HRWiki will be moving 'from early Friday morning (Feb. 25) to late Sunday evening (Feb. 27)', but every other page says 'early Friday morning (Mar. 4) to late Sunday evening (Mar. 6)'. Someone should probably fix that on the main page, as it appears it's not closed presently. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 05:04, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)

:The date changed. A hard refresh (likely ctrl+F5) of the Main Page should clear your cache and solve the problem.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:16, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

== New ==

Hi, I'm new and not on the list.--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 09:19, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)
:Yes you are, you're number 895 →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 09:50, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

what number am i?--[[User:Harry|Harry]] 10:03, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Here, [[Special:Listusers|find out for yourself]]. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 10:46, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Thanks--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 11:10, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Favorite Character List ==
It think it might be nice if some o' you guys set up a "Most Popular Character" page to find out who are the most popular main characters in the Homestar Runner universe. There seems to be enough wiki users here to get an accurate idea. In this page, people would say who their favorite character is on the talk section (and their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc favorite as well if they want.) and then someone would add them all up into a graph to show who are the most/least popular character and so on. (And remember, MAIN characters only) To keep things simple, it could be a character would get 8 "popularity points" for being a first favorite, 7 for second, 6 for third, and so on. Whoever gets the highest popularity points goes in the most favorite section. Also, only registered users count. I dunno... this could be difficult and messy and inaccuriate, but if done right it could be very interesting.
Anyways... opinions anyone? --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 15:46, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Sorry, but this here's a vote for no. I think it could be a good idea under a different venu, such as the [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page Fanstuff Wiki], or perhaps a poll in the [http://forum.hrwiki.org/ Forum]. But since this is simply a knowledge base, it wouldn't really fit in too well.
[[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'']] 16:37, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

::I agree with Thunderbird. It's just not necessary. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::What if it was made in Fanstuff Wiki? Don't care too much if it never happens. Besides, I wouldn't have the know-how and stuff to make a page like that anyway. Someone else would have had to do it. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 17:09, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

::::Yeah, that'd be awesome. Run with it. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::::I went and I ran with it. You can check it out in the Interactive section of Fanstuff H*R Wiki. :) It's called, "Character Popularity"--[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 16:47, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Article of the day? ==

Why not have a featured article like Wikipedia?

:We don't have any featured articles, so we couldn't have a featured article of the day.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:49, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

::We could do it like the Fark.com [http://216.32.91.95/Main_Page Wiki] does it. Each month has 7 articles (one for each day of the week) that rotate around every week (with a new set every month). For instance, you create a page called [[HRWiki:Featured article/Tuesday, March]] then just do an include on the main page like:

<nowiki>== Featured article ==</nowiki> 
<nowiki>{{HRWiki:Featured article/{{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTMONTH}}}}</nowiki>

That would run automatically for a whole month with only 7 articles. --[[User:noclip|noclip]] 18:53, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

:The fact remains that we still don't have featured articles.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:05, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)
::You don't need to "have" them. You can just make em. Start a poll of which articles should be on the front page, take those and copy-paste them into HRWiki:Featured article/Whatever day and use that link on the front page.

== New logo ==

How about it?

[[Image:hrwlogoidea-fixed.png]]

[[User:noclip|noclip]] 18:59, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

::I had this alternate too

[[Image:hrlogowithhr.png]]

[[User:noclip|noclip]] 19:26, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

:I like the one with the dropshadow, but would be happy with either of them... [[User:Glutnix|Glutnix]] 03:03, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)

I've started a "Poll" about this

:Sorry, but we don't do polls. I've deleted your poll page accordingly.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:02, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
::JoeyDay told me to start one. It was just to see whether the users were for it. He said it was okay and that the decision would be left up to the admins anyway. It'd have been nice if you protected the page and posted the results instead of straight up deleting it.

:::Well, if it matters, I really don't like the green "Wiki". Another color would look nice.
:::And Homestar Runner looks a little bit bumpy. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]
::::I would have used another color but TBC pretty much used everything on the logo.

:::::Just because it's been used once doesn't mean you can't use it again. Orange or grey would look nice (I think). →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::The first one looks great. I don't know about the green, but it looks better than the current logo. {{User:Rainer/sig}}

::::The first one is perfect. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:10, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)

:::::I love them both! Actiually, contrary to what these folks are saying, I like the green (probably because it's my favourite colour... xD). But I agree that Homestar looks bumpy. The first ones real nice, though.

::On second thought, the green looks nice, actually. {{User:Rainer/sig}}

:I think that the first one is incredible! Nice work! I love the green! →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 14:32, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)

:I Think the second one should be used. I prefer it over the one that's up now. And I also like the green "wiki". That logo looks really, really nice. But as for the first one... I don't know, the drop shadow just doesn't look H*Rish, and it's good to see H*R (the character) on the logo. In conclusion... the second one. --[[User:70.25.9.49|70.25.9.49]] 01:52, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
::Have you seen the H*R loading screen? It's got the drop shadow.
:::Yeah, but the logo in the loading screen is round, and I think the shadow isn't quite as dark. With the "Wiki" in there, the shadow looks like it should be more complex, but then it would be too realistic. Well, that's how I feel about it.

:Though I am leaning toward the second logo, I like the first one almost as much (the green isn't a problem to me). Both logos are pretty good. Nice job. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 16:33, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Not to be a picky monkey, but they look a tad bit jaggy...do ya think you could smooth it out a bit, especially the one with Homestar on it? - [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 16:35, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oh my gosh that rocks out loud I love the green it fits so well. I love it love it love it. For cerial. (does that count as "internet slang"?)--[[User:Because, It's Midnite|Because, It's Midnite]]

I like it. Dropshadow. ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'' 01:09, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Me too. Dropshadow! [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:47, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm not a member but I go on this site all the time and you can't stop me from giving my opinion so... I VOTE DROPSHADOW! -Alice

I love the first one. The green is cool, but maybe a more basic color might apease some members such as black or white? I dunno though I am horrible at graphic design. --[[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 00:25, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

The second one is better in my opinion. Homestar adds some flavor to it. [[ ↔ Rabidfox ®]]

==Scared of 1.4.0==
I'm scared of this upgrading to 1.4.0 
I didn't like what it did to the fanstuff. Because... 
1. Different font. It's smaller and I don't like it as much. 
2. History erased. I expecially do not want that to happen. Not to mention it could leave some page histery blank, making them targets for non-revertable trolling. 
So, what I'm trying to say, is that if you can't get past these two problems, I think I'd prefer this wiki staying in the 1.3's. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:37, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
::I ran an upgrade to 1.4 a week ago on a pretty big wiki (~200 articles), it went seamlessly. The main page was defaulted, but that was easily reversible through history. Other than that, it shouldn't mess anything up. My thoughts, go ahead and do the upgrade.
:::Well, look at what happened to Fanstuff Wiki. Almost all history was erased, the font is smaller and uploading pictures doesn't work. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 06:20, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Character Evolution, The Stick ==

I posted the first of my suggestions on the discussion page for the FAQ, which of course was not the right place. If it doesn't make any sense what I am about to say, maybe how I worded it there does.

===Suggestion #1: Character Evolution===

In the [[Character Evolution]] pages, we should not treat the Yello Dello and Reddest Radish versions as designs. We shouldn't even include them on the page (perhaps in a sub-section "Other ways so-and-so has been drawn") because these were NEVER solid designs, they were never intended to be and simply aren't. The ''designs'' themselves are valid when talking about the Reddest Radish but they are still not necessary for the page.

===Suggestion #2: The Stick===

I believe that the Stick should not be treated as an Inside Joke, but rather as a full-fledged 'place.' I think it's earned that title, don't you?

Ok, so everyone leave your thoughts, comment or whatever here. I hope to get these suggestions used.

EDIT: I also believe that [[fhqwhgads]] should return to beign an inside joke.

*I agree with all three of those. Reddest Radish and Yello Dello aren't real designs. --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 15:41, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)

*I wholeheartedly agwee. [[Fhqwhgads]] get your birdie carcus into the da inside joke place, and the Stick, be a place, I guess. [[User:64.12.116.195|64.12.116.195]] 00:59, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

==Editing issues==

For some reason, I can't edit the WikiTroll page. In fact, I can't even edit its talk page! I'm not banned (I can edit other pages just fine.) Every time I try to edit those pages, though, it informs me that I'm trying to edit a page that's just been edited - even though there's no new edit on the Recent Changes page or anywhere else. I was trying to add [[User:160.7.1.12|160.7.1.12]], a repeat offender who defaced [[long pants]] and [[Strong Bad Email]]. Can anyone else edit the WikiTroll page? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 10:31, 6 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:It's a result of the move to MediaWiki 1.4. Lots of people are having problems editing certain pages, including the [[HRWiki:WikiTroll Archive|WikiTroll Archive]], [[Strong Bad's Room Main Page]], [[japanese cartoon]], and most importantly [[HRWiki:WikiTroll|WikiTroll]] and [[HRWiki Talk:WikiTroll|Talk:WikiTroll]]. For more information, go to [[HRWiki Talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4]] --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 17:39, 6 Apr 2005 (BST)
:I too had the same problems editing the WikiTroll and WikiTroll Talk pages, which I posted on the [[HRWiki Talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4]]. Annoying, yes? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 12:48, 6 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:: I know I'm not the only one annoyed by a lack of WikiTroll page. Perhaps we should set up a temporary replacement? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:06, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
::: That sounds like a great idea, since we've had a frustrating number of repeat trolls recently, like that guy who keeps changing the pictures around. We could call it "Temporary WikiTroll". <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 15:06, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:::: I called it [[HRWiki:WikiTroll 2.0|WikiTroll 2.0]]. Too bad I can't edit the main page or the old WikiTroll page to link to it. Sigh. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 18:45, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:::::Great jorb! <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 19:15, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
::::::Now if only a mod would put it in an easily-accessible spot... or acknowledge its existence... --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 23:12, 8 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:::::::So, have none of the mods noticed the WikiTroll problem? Hasn't anyone noticed that the Wiki Troll page hasn't updated since the move? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 04:14, 9 Apr 2005 (MDT)

== Watchlist is acting a little strange... ==

The watchlist is looking a bit weird - what happened? Was the database restored from a backup or something?

''(1 pages watched not counting talk pages; 120000 total pages edited''
''since cutoff; checking watched pages for recent edits... show and''
''edit complete list.)''

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Below are the last '''2''' changes in last '''3''' days.
Show last 1 | 2 | 6 | 12 hours 1 | 3 | 7 days all
'''14 Apr 2005'''
(diff) (hist) . . HRWiki talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4; 23:21 . .
12.2.235.67 (Talk) ''(?Creating a New Account)''
'''3 Apr 2005'''
(diff) (hist) . . '''N''' HRWiki:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4; 11:04 . . Tom
(Talk) ''(Add stuff.)''
--[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pidgeot|(e)]] 13:14, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'm seeing 120000 total pages edited too. You're the first one to notice, but I'm guessing this happens for most/all of users. Looks like my hope that our [[HRWiki talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4|problems since upgrading]] were all fixed has been dashed.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:29, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
::Thing is, this didn't happen at the same time as any of the changes (at least not that I know of). Although, the most obvious culprit is the time zone change, but the problem didn't occur until a while after that happened.
::I just noticed that the total pages edited field is always 40000*days - so if you select 6 hours (0.25 days), it shows 10000. I'd like to know where that figure comes from... but I'd need file and database access to verify, and that would probably be a little too much to ask :) --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pidgeot|(e)]] 23:39, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:I've just seen it as well. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 16:36, 20 April 2005 (BST)
:Same here -- <tt>Posted by: [[User:-erson|-erson]] [[User talk:-erson|Talk]]</tt> 23:41, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:This happened to me too. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 16:20, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
::Pidgeot, if you have any specific queries you need me to run, just ask. I'm all about getting to the bottom of this.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:16, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:::I'm afraid I need to examine things close up for me to try and determine anything - I have a number of ideas, but testing any of them is an extensive process, and it would be much easier to do this myself.
:::Could you possibly supply me with a MySQL database dump and a copy of your MediaWiki installation (in case you have files that for some reason are different from a standard MediaWiki 1.4 installation), so I can work on it remotely? I can supply you with a variety of methods of getting the files to me - FTP, a GMail account to send to, etc. (You can e-mail me if you want to discuss it more privately - just click the (e) in my sig.) --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pidgeot|(e)]] 17:20, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::Heh, I just tried that (e), but it looks like our User email function isn't working for some reason. The link in the toolbox doesn't show up on user pages either. Anyway, send me an email at [mailto:tom@hrwiki.org tom@hrwiki.org] and we'll talk. Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:07, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::::Fixed, thanks to Pidgeot's help. For more information, see [http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1778 MediaWiki bug 1778].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:16, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Refactoring the Main Page ==

How would people feel about having the main page refactored to be more like Wikipedia? I think we've got enough content that we could highlight a different article each week and keep a rolling "did you know" list. I also like Wikipedia's category links at the top of the main page. What does everyone think? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 22:30, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:I suggested this too up in "Article of the Day?" on this page. I fully support it.

::I don't think out category system is set up to be navigated like Wikipedia's is. Additionally, running the "Article of the whatever" would be a full-time job. We'd also need someone to come up with a system. The idea sounds nice, but how would you do it? Remember, the english language Wikipedia has 550 times as many legitimate content articles and 165 times as many registered users as we do.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:22, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::You're right. I don't think we have enough content to run an article of the day, but I wouldn't mind being in charge of a weekly or monthly featured article. It might be nice to set up a page where users could nominate articles to be featured, just to give me ideas. I also wouldn't mind scouting the wiki for strange facts to post in a "did you know" section. In fact, I think that would be fun. In short, I'm willing to do it if people want to see it done. In regard to categories, we could simply use our current [[Toons]], [[Strong Bad Email]], etc. pages instead of pointing to the categories themselves. An "in the news" section (though probably called something else) would also be useful for a quick glance at the most recent toons/emails.

:::As a corollary to this, we would probably want to move specifically wiki-related content off the front page and onto some sort of community portal page. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:14, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::I've created a [[User:JoeyDay/Main Page Mock-up|mock-up]] of my main page idea. Not much different from Wikipedia's main page, but I figure what works for them should work just as well for us. I would of course build a bunch of templates to include most of the content. This is just a start. I don't want to spend too much more time on it unless more people want to see it happen. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:13, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::I'm fully for this new Main Page. It looks great! I think we will be able to have a new article everyweek and everything. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 01:22, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Although the new features are cool, I don't like how it makes the original list of pages less accessable. Much less accessable. -- [[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 01:52, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::I don't like the "Browse" or any of that other stuff on there- one reason I really like this wiki is because it's so simple. Browse and all that other stuff make it sort of confusing. To me, anyways. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

:::The mock up looks nice, but there are still some things I don't think we need. You solved my category issue very well, but like Firebird mentioned, those links in the "Browse" line there are a bit cumbersome, and I can't actually picture someone using them. I think they work for Wikipedia simply because Wikipedia has a lot of subjects. We don't. How would our [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Browse|Browse]] page look?
:::Joshua makes another good point. Quite a few of the article links were left out. This might be because they would end up somewhere else in the new system, but I like having links for things like [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]] on there.
:::Now that I've seen more of the proposal, I'm liking the idea of featured something of the something, and the idea of a "What's new" section on the front page, but I'm not feeling good about the "Did you know?" section. That would be a job and a half for someone to manage.
:::Oh, I noticed for Wikipedia's "anyone can edit" link you went to our :About page. I kind of like the newer [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Introduction|Introduction guide]] that Wikipedia set up back in December. I'd be willing to set that up for us.
:::Oh, and the portal is a great idea too.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:32, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I have laid out a preliminary Categorization scheme on my [[User:Drhaggis|User Page]] for use in the new main page navigation This represents all of the top-level categories. Comments are welcome. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 17:02, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::I've also created a [[User:Tom/Introduction Mock-up|Introduction mock-up]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:35, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::Looks great Tom. Are we getting a community portal? It would be a great non-forum way to discuss the Wiki. If so it should be called "Meet-up at the Stick" or some such thing [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 17:44, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::I think we're seriously considering it, as Joey mentioned it in his mock up and discussion as well. "Meet-up at The Stick" sounds like the right name for it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:49, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::Call me stupid, but I'm not exactly sure what a community portal is. Can anyone explain it to me? →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

:::::Wikipdia has their [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Community Portal|Commnuity Portal]] you could check out. Basically, they don't have a forum and use the wiki itself for discusion of wiki-related topics.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:57, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::Wow, man! Both mock-ups are fantastic! I really hope that they'll be used. [[User:señor|»ßenit, known as señor«]]

==Interviews/Presentations==

Since we're now starting to make pages for genuine interviews of, and presentations by [[TBC]], what about actually putting them somewhere, besides just 'sightings'. I figure that since they're put out BY [[TBC]], and not more or less fanstuff, they should get their own section linked to from the main page, under Wiki Stuff, maybe as 'Interviews' or something, and then as such, sort out all the websites we have with transcrips of interviews and stuff, and transcribe them, maybe put a few fun facts in there, ect, make them all genuine pages. I think it would really add to the usefulness of the Wiki. Any ideas? If the sysops ('''EDIT:''' Hey, That's Me!) are up to adding to the main page, I volunteer to personally spearhead, to an extent, (I'll have much more spare time as of May the 1st), this undertaking, along with transcribing, ect. Plus many of the interviews are already transcribed on the pages we're linked to, our transcriptions could just edit for typos, maybe censor a word or two, but be useful incase these pages are ever shut down, the interviews lost forever. Okay, any comments/suggestions? ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'' 01:08, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Sounds good to me.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:16, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==Signatures==

The signatures look like crap now thanks to 1.4.0

i spent a whole day trying to reformat me signature

then finally i got it.

it is so annoying though but if you want a cool signature like this one :[[User:pertmywert|pertmywert]][[User talk:pertmywert|talk]] copy this:<nowiki>pertmywert]][[User talk:pertmywert|talk</nowiki>

Just replace my name bit's and put in your name

:Actually, 1.4 handles signatures better than previous versions. You just need to make sure your preferences are set correctly.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:23, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I think my Sig is pretty cool... ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'' 22:25, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:I can't see your arrows any more. Is this a font problem or what? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 22:28, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

What? My Arrows? My precious little arrows? I can still see them. Keep on Arrowing, my Arrowies. Seriously though, can you not see them? If not, does anyone have any ideas why? I like my arrows. ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'' 22:42, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:In order to see the arrows, you must have Japanese fonts installed. These can be installed through the Control Panel. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 13:49, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::You're so smart. Yay for Pidgeot! →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

:::Yup, I can see them on my laptop which has Japanese fonts installed. Cool. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 00:47, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::Sweet, kinda like a special little easter egg only if you have the right font. Btw, here's another 'easter egg', just finished it today, and it'll only work on my sig starting now. Try clicking on the two arrows individually... ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|?]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|?]]</tt>'' 04:57, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::::Cute addition. You should have some sort of.... arrow... rap. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 05:24, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::::"Arrows in the front, arrows in the back, get down get down, offa that [[secret recipies|smoke stack!]]." Hows that? ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|?]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|?]]</tt>'' 05:29, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==Borders==
So it's not that big of a deal or anything, but I think thin black borders around the current logo would look awesome. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''
:Yeah, you might have something there. Here's what they might like:
::[http://img2.echo.cx/img2/5051/req69bg.png Medium]
::[http://img2.echo.cx/img2/6681/req77er.png Thick]
::[http://img2.echo.cx/img2/6194/req83kw.png Thin]
:Especially with Homestar himself having a black border. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

::You can tweak the CSS all you want. Maybe a little <tt>#p-logo{border:thin solid black;}</tt>?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:11, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::([[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]])

::::Oh no no no, that's not what I meant at all. Please do not edit that. I was talking about FireBird's personal CSS at "User:FireBird/monobook.css".[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:45, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::Wow, I didn't know you could do that.....! [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]] 23:37, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

== Back Links ==

I was just wondering, does anyone else think it'd be a good idea to have little links at the top and/or bottom of pages that return to the main page that links to it? For example, [[flashback]] would have a link at the top that would say something like "Back to [[Strong Bad Email]]" (maybe with some cool border around it). I think it'd make browsing around the site easier. For me, anyway. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]] 22:41, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
Back to [[Strong Bad Email]]> 
it could maybe look like that

:I think a link to the page would do just fine instead of a template and all that. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

::I love the idea of the link back, but I think the border is a little much. ~ [[User:señor|»ßenit, known as señor«]]

:::K, screw the template. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

::::This sounds like a good idea, but isn't it already half done? There's a link to [[Strong Bad Email]] in [[:Template:Strong Bad Email]]. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 15:45, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::It's also in the navigation bar on the left side of the screen. And there's the browser back button. Plus many pages link from more than one place. Unfeasable, and unneeded, in my opinion. ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|?]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|?]]</tt>'' 01:55, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::::::Note, I just deleted that template and copied the style span here. The only thing I added was the closing span tag.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:58, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::Well, about the browser back button, many times I click on the discussion page, maybe click edit, then maybe article again so when I want to go back I end up hitting back 3-4 times. Otherwise, do you think we should make those sbemail templates for other things like toons, too? [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

== Unused images ==

I've just been looking at the [[Special:Unusedimages|unused image list]], and it suprises me just how many there are. Some are not needed anymore (to pick at random, "sketchbook serpented.PNG" is a good example), while some appear to be for personal use, but never used on the wiki itself (see images 90 to 102, and others). Should somebody delete some of these, or at least put them on their respective pages? (providing they are not redundant or personal) --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 16:29, 3 May 2005 (BST)

== Interwiki Links ==

I think the [[HR:|interwiki links]] are ugly in the default stylesheet. I'd like to change them to look identical to [http://www.homestarrunner.com external links], but I'm not sure that would be the best way to do things. Anyone else have ideas? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:51, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

:I like them how they are. Light blue without the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Talk:Main_Page#Interwiki_Links tiny arrow] is interwiki, and with the arrow is external. Dark blue is internal. It always made sense to me. It's also the standard on Wikipedia and every other MediaWiki site that I can recall. If people really don't like it, they can always adjust their personal CSS in their user page.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:31, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::Actually, now that I'm thinking straight, the interwiki links I was looking at were ''visited'' interwiki links. I don't like that particular shade of blue. I guess I'll go change my own stylesheet. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 04:25, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Heh, you just visit too many interwiki links then. Hmm. That's c00. Oops, I mean, that's 00c. Er, that's cool.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:55, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::::Actually, now that I've examined the stylesheet, there really wasn't a difference between visited or unvisited interwiki links. It really was a dirty looking shade of blue. I've changed the global stylesheet so that interwiki links and external links are the same color. I won't add the arrow to interwiki links though, even though I'd like to since they are technically still outgoing links. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:11, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

== Strong Bad Email link in navigation box ==

Does anyone actually use the Strong Bad Email link in the navigation box to the left? If enough people use it, I suppose we should leave it there, but I'm starting to think it's a little silly. If we link to Strong Bad Email from the sidebar, why don't we link to Toons, Games, Characters, etc. from the sidebar? Where do we draw the line? What makes Strong Bad Email so much more important than other pages? Just a thought. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:35, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

:I think it is a very busy link. As much as we like to remain NPOV, Strong Bad Emails are quite the popular feature of homestarrunner.com. The Brothers Chaps seem to acknowledge this in their focus on the emails, and perhaps the fact that they are so often updated is another reason to keep it. I don't know what others think, but I think the link can stay.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:40, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::Same here. ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|?]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|?]]</tt>'' 01:56, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::I use it a lot. I think we should put it below "H*R.com updates" though. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 05:56, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Done. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:12, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

== Something's Up... ==

Hey, has this been popping up for anybody else?

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the
software. The last attempted database query was: (SQL query hidden) from
within function "MediaWikiBagOStuff:_doquery". MySQL returned error "1062:
Duplicate entry 'hrwiki_mwiki:messages:Sitenotice' for key 1 (localhost)".

I'm sure it's a MediaWiki glitch, but I wanted to see if anyone else is having this problem. If an admin could help out, it would be greatly apreciated. Thanks! --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 20:38, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

:I've gotten this too. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

::I've seen it several times, too. Perhaps we should sic [[User:Tom|Tom]] and [[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] on it. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:44, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

:::I wish I were as smart as them. They're like, amazing. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

::::It's all a matter of learning by doing. Go get Apache, PHP (zipped version, NOT installer), MySQL and PHPMyAdmin, set them up on a Windows machine (mostly automatic), and start playing around. Find someone who already knows about these things, so you have someone to turn to when things don't go your way. Then write a small program of some sort. It could be anything - for me, my first PHP program was a POKéMON management system that kept track on your POKéMON and their training, whilst calculating various things about them, but that's probably too high a starting point for most people. ^_^ --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:25, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

It just happened to me again. It wasn't too bad a while ago, but now, it's becoming more frequent. To reiterate: Something's up... --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 20:53, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

:Same here, I just got two in as many minutes. The only thing I recognize in there is the [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice|site notice]], but I don't think that helps here. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 22:18, 6 May 2005 (BST)

::I've gotten it too a couple of times. Never really thought too much about it. I've done a few database queries and [[Wikipedia:grep]]s on the MediaWiki software, but I haven't found anything.
::I may need a new database dump if I'm to make an indepth analysis and find out what's wrong - the error didn't occur until after I got my copy, so if it's database-related, I wouldn't have the error here. However, I've got an idea as to what it might be, so if Tom'd be so kind as to run a single query on the database for me, and tell me the result, I might be able to find the solution that way.
::The query that needs to be run is <tt>SELECT * FROM cur WHERE cur_title LIKE '%sitenotice'</tt>. Since the error is periodic, rather than permanent, it probably won't return a useful result, but it's worth a shot.
::Oh, if anyone has seen the error WITHOUT the query hidden (can sysops do that? Or maybe Tom?), it would help me immensly if you could tell me what the query is. That way, I can see what exactly is causing the error, and locate the PHP file sending that query to MySQL. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:25, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
:::Actually, scratch that. I think I has the solution!
:::I need a sysop to go to [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] and put a single dash (-) as the article text - similar to what they have at [[Wikipedia:MediaWiki:Sitenotice]]. Appearantly, there's an issue somewhere that causes odd behavior when it's blank, but the dash will work as if it were blank.
:::With a little luck, that should do the trick. I haven't gone in-depth with the issue, though, I just remembered reading somewhere that it should be a dash instead of blanked. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:30, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

::::Done. I did notice that this started to happen after I blanked the sitenotice. Let's see if the dash fixes it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:37, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::See, this is the problem with periodic errors - they don't appear when you want them to. :P (Oh, I edited my above post slightly - it's such an obvious quote that I '''had''' to use it :)) --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:51, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Arg. I got the error again just now when trying to save changes to [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]].

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a
bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
(SQL query hidden)
from within function "MediaWikiBagOStuff:_doquery". MySQL
returned error "1062: Duplicate entry 'hrwiki_mwiki:messages'
for key 1 (localhost)".

Does this mean there's corruption in another db record? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:40, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
:Well, it's not the same error message, so the problem is elsewhere in the database (the fix might be the same, though). I suggest you keep a lookout for whether or not it appears again, since it COULD be an isolated incident.
:I'm slightly puzzled with the error returned by this one, since it seems to suggest that there's a problem with a '''namespace'''... but I might be wrong there. I'll take a quick peek at my dump and see if I can come up with anything.
:BTW, if it's possible, it would be nice if you could enable display of these queries, at least for sysops (such as yourself). This would help a lot with finding the error quickly. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:12, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
:Added 21:29, 13 May 2005 (UTC): The only thing that comes to mind is if the article/message has no title. I did actually find two of these in my dump - shown by the query <code><nowiki>SELECT * FROM cur WHERE cur_title=''</nowiki></code> - but neither of these are in the namespace suggested by the error message. -- [[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike>

== More interwiki links? ==

I've been thinking lately it would be nice if we set up Videlectrix, Thorax Corp, and Mellow Mushroom as sister sites. This would make it possible for us to create interwiki links to them in the same way we currently link to Homestar Runner. If I set these up, how should I do the links? I was thinking "Videlectrix" for Videlectrix, "Thorax" for Thorax Corp., and "Mushroom" for Mellow Mushroom.

And speaking of Mellow Mushroom, does anyone else think we should be transcribing those toons as well? I know we are only a Homestar Runner knowledge-base, but Mellow Mushroom is a big part of TBC lore. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 22:39, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, I wondered if we were going to do that on [[HRWiki talk:Projects]]. It's a good idea (I mean, if we link to Wikipedia we should link to those). And, we might as well do MM transcripts.....
:Oh yeah and maybe an interwiki link to the H*R store, too. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]] 03:10, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

:And we should also have interwiki links to the forum, I guess. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 07:48, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

::[[Mellow Mushroom]] transcripts and articles have been nixed on the respective [[Talk:Mellow Mushroom|talk page]] for a long time. The toons are not written by The Brothers Chaps, they simply did the animation. I do not think we need an interwiki link for that either. Videlectrix and Thorax seem alright though.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:48, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

I've added the [[HRStore:|Homestar Runner store]], [[Videlectrix:|Videlectrix]], and [[Thorax:|Thorax Corp.]] to our interwiki links. I've also styled them for standards-compliant browser users. We should start changing links to these three places all over the wiki. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:49, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

== Thousand ==

One thousandth article. That's pretty cool. I should probably celebrate... oh! I know! article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article... forget it. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 02:15, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

:The ten millionth page view and 100,000th edit are coming soon[[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]
:page view, page view, page view, page view, page view, page view, page view, page view...

== New blockquote style... ==

I've created a new default style for blockquotes.

<blockquote>This is a quoted block of text. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Vivamus vestibulum. Quisque adipiscing. Proin bibendum justo eu nunc. Nam pulvinar, ligula vel accumsan vestibulum, wisi sem vehicula leo, vitae condimentum nisl erat vitae nisl. Vivamus lacinia, est in rhoncus lacinia, enim magna tristique sapien, nec suscipit lorem magna at tortor. Pellentesque iaculis diam vel elit. Nunc a felis vel odio fringilla sollicitudin. Nullam et ipsum. Pellentesque porta nisl in justo. Pellentesque malesuada lacus sed elit. Vestibulum rutrum mi et mauris. Praesent sit amet quam. Phasellus rhoncus ipsum et mi egestas sagittis. Maecenas vel massa id lectus commodo faucibus. Integer varius blandit quam. Etiam dapibus mi nec nunc. Pellentesque eu felis quis ante rhoncus porta.

Donec pulvinar. Duis malesuada leo tempor mi. In orci odio, dictum varius, porttitor sit amet, accumsan ac, turpis. Integer tincidunt, dolor vel consequat vulputate, turpis quam bibendum odio, blandit lobortis nunc dui sit amet arcu. Mauris euismod libero sed leo. Mauris luctus risus sit amet justo. Class aptent taciti sociosqu ad litora torquent per conubia nostra, per inceptos hymenaeos. In vel libero in leo ullamcorper luctus. Integer ante nibh, lobortis in, fermentum eu, aliquet ac, ante. Etiam ornare. Mauris eleifend. Cras vel massa. Phasellus erat lacus, auctor vel, aliquam et, ullamcorper eget, urna. Praesent vestibulum lacinia odio. In nec dui ac mi sodales facilisis. Nunc laoreet turpis et tellus.</blockquote>

Only problem now is you have to put in your own <code>p</code> and <code>br</code> tags. Is there any way to do a blockquote with wiki formatting? What does everyone think of the style? (If you aren't seeing it, try Ctrl-F5 to do a hard refresh.) — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 21:06, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

:What about something more to differentiate, such as a blue line on the left side, or what would be really cool, a giant ' { ' to stretch from the top to the bottom along the left side. I think it needs something easily noticible, probably different colored. '''EDIT:''' My bad, looks like it's got the blue line now. I still think the stretching '{' would be pretty cool though... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 22:27, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
::A stretching "{" would be very hard to do. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]
::Otherwise, you can put it in the css as like heading 5 so it's like <nowiki>"======Blockquote Text======"</nowiki>, but I don't know if you'd want to do that. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

:::Yeah, the blue line was there from the start. Those of you who aren't seeing it should try a hard refresh (Ctrl+F5). — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 14:43, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

::Is that a idea of what to repace ''{stuff like this}'' with? If so, I don't like it as much. Sorry. -- '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]''''' 15:53, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

:::I think some of you might be utterly confused. A <code>blockquote</code> is used for quoting large blocks of text. It won't be used as header level 5 or to replace curly braces. It will be used instead of <code>pre</code> when quoting things like emails. See [[Talk:Penguin Brothers Interview - 26 May 2003]] for a good example of what I'm talking about. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:20, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

==kitkorp==

[http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/ kitkorp sub-page dealie]

<strike>Shouldn't we have some kinda page for this? What exactly is this, is this another 'museum' type thing the brothers chaps made for inquisitive folks like us? Shouldn't we have some kind of guiding walkthrough or something for this page? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:07, 20 May 2005 (UTC)</strike>

:Ah, I see. Fansite mirror of entire website with bonus old data. Gotcha. Clever. Never mind... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:42, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

== suggestion for front page ==

I think the front page here would greatly benefit from having a box with the 5 or so most recent updates from the [[H*R.com updates]] page. I hate when I come here to see what's new on hr.com and I have to click links, instead of just seeing. what do you think?

:1. Please sign your posts, by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> after them. 2. It is a good idea, and we've been working on incorperating it into a new main page. It's been under some discussion [[User_talk:JoeyDay/Main_Page_Mock-up#What.27s_new|here]]. Welcome to the wiki. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:20, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

::Speaking of main page changes, I think the [[User:JoeyDay/Main_Page_Mock-up|new main page layout]] is ready to go live sometime this week. I'd really appreciate some last-minute feedback on the [[User talk:JoeyDay/Main Page Mock-up|talk page]]. Most notably, we need [[HRWiki:Featured article nominations|nominations for featured articles]]. Thanks. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 03:41, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

*Joey Day you rock! THe Main Page looks Shuper Shweet! [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 19:01, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

== The New Main Page ==
Let me be the first to thank [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] for all of his hard work in getting this new main page up and running. Suggestions to make this page better? Questions/Comments? Post 'em here! {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:50, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

:I think the new Main Page is hawt. However, I'm not a fan of the small-caps in the "Browse the Knowledge-Base" section. It works fine for the sub-headings (e.g. "Features", "Weeklies"), but not so much for the links themselves. IMHO. Anyway, great work Joey. — [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 18:53, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

::I kindof like the small-caps for all the nav items, but I wouldn't be opposed to making the "browse" section normal-caps if enough people really want it. So, what say ye? Anyone else not like the small-caps in the browse section? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:14, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

::I would like it normal- as in, capitalize the first letter of the word. It makes it look a bit cluttered and stuffed like it is now. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 21:07, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

:I personally think that the new [[Main Page]] is awesome. I like how you can post a pic from the newest toon/game!! --[[User:kerrek slaya|kerrek slaya]] 19:03, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

:I like it. Great jorb! --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]|[[User talk:acekirby13|My Talk]] 19:39, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

:WOW surprised me that this design is finally up. Good job! [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

:I am dissapointed mainly because now there is no link to STUFF. Personally, I think STUFF should be added to the navigation bar/ [[User:TakuaKaita600|TK600]] 22:16, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah, where's the quick links to STUFF, Sightings, WikiTroll and the like? Other than that, I like it. -- '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]''''' 00:57, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Wikitroll and STUFF can be found at [[HRWiki:The Stick|The Stick]]. I think Sightings can fit somewhere on the Main Page. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 03:01, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

::::Sightings is still on the main page. It's in the "Miscellany" section (it's been there since the new layout went live). STUFF and WikiTroll are linked to from The Stick. In fact, I just added a Quick Menu box to The Stick to facilitate easier navigation. The main reason for moving those links is that the Main Page is the pretty face we present to visitors and users. It should really only contain links to the actual content of the knowledge-base. With the creation of The Stick, we finally have a separate place to move maintenance type links out of the way. Does this make sense? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:14, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

:I think that maybe the text should be smaller...I opened it up and was like, "Who set the text size so big?" But then I checked the navigation bar and saw it was normal. But anyway, I think it's awesome! It's like Wikipedia. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 03:05, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

::The reason it looks so big is because every word is capitalized, just the first word is bigger. In my opinion, it would look better normal, but it doesn't really matter either way.{{User:FireBird/sig}} 03:10, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

:::The "welcome" message is actually in a larger font. Everything else is normal. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:14, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

== What The... ==

What the crap happened to the main page? Who edited it?? -Kinsey

:JoeyDay updated it, Kinsey. You can check the status by clicking [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=history here]. JoeyDay does awesome work. --[[User:The Paper|The Paper]] 21:36, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

I gotta be honest, I don't like it. I guess it takes getting used to. But who asked me? -Alice

== What's New? ==

Shouldn't any user be allowed to edit that section? I propose that we make that section a template and link to the template from the main page. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 19:03, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

*Agreed. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 19:05, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

::Er... [[Template:whatsnew|it is a template]]. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 19:06, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

== Low Bandwith? ==
I remember on 5/28 to 6/1 or something close that the bandwidth was down. Why? Too many viewers?-user, not signed in.

:Yes, essentially, too many visitors. We use an incredible amount of bandwidth here and it just keeps growing. We were lucky that we didn't pass the limit until close to the end of the month. The best solution to the bandwidth problems is to [[HRWiki:Donations|help us pay our hosting costs]]. — [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 13:48, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::Same thing happened last month for two hours or so.[[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

:::Happened to me, too
: No need to point that out - it happened to EVERYBODY between those dates. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 15:42, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps HRWIKI has other reasons to use them or is getting a better deal, but the transfer limits on Goleman's $50 plan (as per their products page) seems to be low. Could this be addressed with Goleman Networks without additional funding? — ''gsw''

:I'm not sure what you're looking at, because there isn't a $50 plan on Goleman Networks' product page, but you're right. The numbers on that page are pretty low. Fortunately, Mr. Goleman is a good friend of mine and he's giving us an awesome deal: 150 GB per month at $50 per month — and it's still not enough! — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:47, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::Unless you can get Mr. Goleman to give you a better deal, maybe you should try switching the default skin to a less bandwidth-intensive layout, such as Standard or CologneBlue. If users would rather have Monobook, they can just register and change their preferences. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 16:56, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:Sorry, I meant Products->Hosting, which shows a 5 GB limit. Sounds like you've got it covered, though. 'Nuff said. — ''gsw''

If the HRWiki is really using that much bandwidth, optimizing frequently used images is probably a good idea. I took around 6 kB off the logo by running it through Optipng (uploaded to [[:Image:wiki.png]]). I'd suggest a similar treatment for other interface graphics. On the English Wikipedia, the logo was transmitted enough that knocking 500 '''bytes''' off the size was beneficial enough to bother with. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 23:15, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)

== *Tink* easter egg ==

Well, i found something that isn't useful, but is a bit unusual. In the main menu 4, (the bowling one) if you roll your mouse over the games sign 1 time, it will leave 2 pins standing. If you do it again, it produces a *tink* sound.

:Hmmmmm... Well... Ummm.... Wow. Just... Wow. Actually, it's already been meantioned [[Main Page 4|here]]. This is more the place for discussions about the Wiki Main Page, or the Wiki as a whole. This comment probably would have been best directed [[Talk:Main Page 4|here]]. We do appreciate the input and watchfullness though, just try and direct most comments to their respective talk pages. And welcome to the wiki. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:09, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Possible Troll? ==

Call me crazy, but I not only clicked on the new email rap link, I checked it against the website. As of this moment, the email rap is still the same as it was. Is somebody trolling? --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 14:51, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:No, this is valid. The scroll buttons rap has been changed. Hit refresh, or something. Your browser is probably being stupid. --[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 14:55, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Wiki interview ==
As of now we are the biggest Homestar Runner fan-site. We have everything, everyone and every-toon cataloged and transcribed in their own page. But still, there are so much we don't know for sure, like:
*Is [[Stickly Man]] realy [[The Poopsmith]]?
*Is [[Homsar]] [[The Bossman]]?
*Who is the [[Unnamed Characters|Unnamed Girl]]?
*Or [[The Unguraits]]?
*Did a certain character realy refered to a certain thing in pop-colture/game/other toon when he said/did something?
*Did a character realy said this, or that?
*Is [[Creepy Comb-Over Strong Bad]] realy [[Senor Cardgage]]?
*What was TBC's real part in [[Mellow Mushroom]]?
*What was the deal with [[Puppet Jam: Mission Control]]? Was it an actual puppet thing they had on the site and removed? Or was it just a joke?
*And so on.

If we want to answer these questions and others, I think we sould ask for an intrview fron the brothers Chaps and ask them those questions so we can stop arguing over this silly things. [[User:E.L. Cool|E.L. Cool]] 12:20, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:I've always wondered why they labled one of the [[Floppy Disk Container]]s 'Hypou Blade' instead of 'Hyper Blade'. Among other things... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 02:07, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::So let's make a list of questions to TBC and just ask them! [[User:E.L. Cool|E.L. Cool]] 04:41, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::Well sure, you can always email them and try your hand at getting a reply. Beyond that though... Don't know if there's much you can do to ENSURE a reply. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:34, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::::Its worth a shot, sure. I think if people have any particularly pressing comments they should add them to the list above..However I would be cautious; more likely than not TBC left some of these minor details ambiguous, and probably don't really think that they are big enough points to merit an "interview"...However, without my pessimist side showing I think its a good idea! -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]]

::::Hmmm.. I ''would'' try my hand at this but English is not my primary language. It takes me like, 5 minutes to write this thing here. If it was Hebrew on the other hand... :) [[User:E.L. Cool|E.L. Cool]] 06:07, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==Internet==
<blockquote>We're currently working on # articles about our favorite internet cartoon.</blockquote>
should be
<blockquote>We're currently working on # articles about our favorite Internet cartoon.</blockquote>

Confused? Read [http://www.answers.com/internet&r=67 this]. --'''[[User:porplemontage|Steve]]''' (''[[User talk:porplemontage|talk]]'') 23:12, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Fixed.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:31, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==MediaWiki 1.5==

Will the H*R Wiki and the H*R Fanstuff Wiki be upgrading to [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.5 MediaWiki 1.5]?

While I'm here, I'll just outline some of the new features of 1.5:
*Able to edit the [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/MediaWiki:Sidebar sidebar] a whole lot easier
*Random [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Randompage/Image images], [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Randompage/Category categories], [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Randompage/User user pages], etc.
*Quickly [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Log/move revert moved pages] (for sysops)
*New image uploads only generate one entry in [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Recentchanges Recent Changes] instead of two
*Page moves are logged in [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php?title=Stupidpage&action=history Page History]
*You can choose what name Images [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Upload upload as]
*Possible to choose the namespace in [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Recentchanges Recent Changes]
*A new Print tab

The [[Wikipedia:Main Page|English Wikipedia]] has already upgraded. -- [[User:Super Sam|Super Sam]] 13:30, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:I'd suggest waiting a bit. MW 1.5 is still beta, and they keep discovering new and exciting bugs each time they upgrade a different Wikipedia. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 13:45, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::I think if the Wikipedia has already upgraded, it's good enough for us. -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 14:01, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:::Yeah, it's still beta. It looks great, but we are going to wait until it's a stable release. And probably a itsy-bit longer.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:17, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:::Wikipedia DELIBERATELY use the betas to help find and iron out bugs (after all, MediaWiki was developed for that site). Beta is not suitable for most sites, as there's almost guaranteed to be problems. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 15:34, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:Remember that the Mediawiki developers and the Wikimedia technical crew are pretty well one and the same. When your sysadmins wrote the thing, you can live a little closer to the edge. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 02:08, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)

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:''In order to shorten the size of this page, all conversations before the 30th of December have been archived. You can access the archive [[HRWiki:Main Page Talk Archive|here]].''

== Every thing is fine now ==
um what happened the last 3-4 days? i could not get on the wiki --[[User:djm1791|djm1791]] 05:33, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Bandwidth ran out. It's been discussed. Everything is fine. Nothing is ruined. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 05:36, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

but what does that mean & were can i find this discosion? --[[User:djm1791|djm1791]] 05:38, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Bottom of this page, for one. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 05:49, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

thanks --[[User:djm1791|djm1791]] 05:53, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Shouldn't there be a character reference for the Strong brothers' mother? I know we never see her, but she does seem to be around somewhere since they refer to her (as in the SB email, "the facts).

== What the crap? ==

Why am I not on the list of registered users? --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]

:You're number 439.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:42, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)

== 2004/2005 Tsunami Donation Link ==

I was just reading up on the [[Wikipedia:2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake|Indian Ocean Earthquake]] and realized how incredibly horrible this event was, and I'm seriously thinking we need some kind of banner to a donation link to the Wikipedia donation page. Or something like that. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

How very specific your request is.
-[[User:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf|Fhq]]

Fhq, what's your point? It's a good idea, don't give him crap because he's thinking larger than himself.
Bird, perhaps you should send Joey a PM on the forum. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]

:Just in case anyone was wondering, we won't be adding a notice to the Main Page. If you'd like to put a notice on your userpage, that would be acceptable.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:14, 7 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Dubious reference solution ==

Over the past few Strongbad e-mail articles, I've read a lot of (to be frank) farfetched suggestions of references that TBCs are presumably making to other stuff. Maybe, if you're 100% sure that something is intended as a reference (for example, a character name or line very specific to one TV show), then it's fine to say it's a reference. But if something just seems to remind you of something else (for example, a song that sounds kinda-sorta like a song that was played in the 23rd episode of some TV series), then it's more accurate to say that it is '''reminiscent''' of something, rather than a reference to something.

Just a suggestion.

:A wonderful suggestion, and it goes along with the ongoing discussion we are having regarding the overhaul of our current fun fact system. Thank you for your concern and idea.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:52, 13 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Locking down the main page ==

I visited today and noticed that the main page had been defaced. Someone else restored the last known good version, but it seems to me that the front page should not be editable by just anyone for this exact reason. Even the main page of Wikipedia is off-limits to anyone except staff...
:Yes, I want the main page protected as well... [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]-<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|?</tt>]] 14:05, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)
-It happened again. This must be done NOW.

:Look, the template does nothing to prevent trolling; it's a redundancy. Locking down the Main Page is a good way to go, since nothing really changes there, anyway. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 14:26, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

I find it funny how the MediaWiki's been around for at least 5 months now and only NOW are people starting to complain about wanting the Main Page locked down. Personally, I think it's prime idiot bait, as in "if you deface the main page, you're automatically not fit to be on the wiki." --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 15:02, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

You could have a way to detect whether someone is severely defaceing the page or not. --[[User:67.161.224.65|67.161.224.65]]

::Okay, due to several requests and the seeming lack of need to update the Main Page, I've protected it. Please note that I do not like having it protected, this being a wiki and all, but I agree that it really doesn't need to be edited that much and is just sitting there as troll fodder. Thanks to all who helped with that last batch of defacement.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:12, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

:::I never change the main page, so I'm pretty happy with that, but I do have one concern. Might the Trollers who automatically go to work on the Main Page to start with, now be forced to move onto smaller, harder to detect defacements on other pages? What if we're only spreading the diease? [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'']] 18:46, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)
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::::A good concern, and lucky for me I have this wonderful ditty to cite:
::::''...the fact is that for every troll with too much spare time, there are 100 users with just as much spare time ready and eager to undo that troll's (un)work. The fact is, the trolls always get bored before the users do, because the users are emotionally invested in what they've created and the Wiki moves fast enough that the average trolling only lasts about two minutes before it's reverted. A troll's work is hardly ever noticed by anybody, but a legitimate user's work is always noticed and appreciated. That's why wikis work. — InterruptorJones 15:37, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)'' ([[User_talk:FireBird#Question_from_Troll|ref]])
::::Simply put, that's just how wikis work. We'll notice no matter where or how small, and they will get tired.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:55, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::::::That is, unless said troll or trolls are emotionally invested in destroying the wiki. --Guest

::Good answer, thanks. Come to think of it, I guess if everyone has on their watchlist the pages they created, or just care for, then likely whatever page is edited will be watched by SOMEBODY. Thanks for the quick reply. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'']] 17:36, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)

Well, I want to edit the main page. I have a feature in mind that I think would be appreciated by all (I know I'll use it), but would require a little updating every now and again. How about you just make the main page editable by registered members? Disallow guests from editing it. I await the unlocking to reveal my idea.
--Rgb9000

:If it's such a great idea, why can't you just say it? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 00:25, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Fair question. I want to do the actual edit so that I'll be properly credited in the history for the implementation. --[[User:Rgb9000|Rgb9000]] 01:28, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Well, it's a Wiki, so you can't really take credit beyond putting on your userpage that you were the one to do something. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 01:45, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Is it making a link to the newest (H*R) updates on the main page (to the pages of the updates themselves, not to the updates page)? Because that would be quite nice. (but would require updating every week or so). -- 82.81.whatever

== Rejects? ==
Where did Rejects go?? What the? -- Asploder

:Away. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 23:57, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)

::Yes, they're all categorised now, but I don't know where they went. [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|?</tt>]] 18:08, 14 Feb 2005 (MST)

They all went to better places. Characters are now characters, items are now classified as items. Fancy that ;) [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 21:48, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

== Confusion over moving dates ==

The [[Main Page]] says that HRWiki will be moving 'from early Friday morning (Feb. 25) to late Sunday evening (Feb. 27)', but every other page says 'early Friday morning (Mar. 4) to late Sunday evening (Mar. 6)'. Someone should probably fix that on the main page, as it appears it's not closed presently. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 05:04, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)

:The date changed. A hard refresh (likely ctrl+F5) of the Main Page should clear your cache and solve the problem.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:16, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

== New ==

Hi, I'm new and not on the list.--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 09:19, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)
:Yes you are, you're number 895 →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 09:50, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

what number am i?--[[User:Harry|Harry]] 10:03, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Here, [[Special:Listusers|find out for yourself]]. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 10:46, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Thanks--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 11:10, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Favorite Character List ==
It think it might be nice if some o' you guys set up a "Most Popular Character" page to find out who are the most popular main characters in the Homestar Runner universe. There seems to be enough wiki users here to get an accurate idea. In this page, people would say who their favorite character is on the talk section (and their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc favorite as well if they want.) and then someone would add them all up into a graph to show who are the most/least popular character and so on. (And remember, MAIN characters only) To keep things simple, it could be a character would get 8 "popularity points" for being a first favorite, 7 for second, 6 for third, and so on. Whoever gets the highest popularity points goes in the most favorite section. Also, only registered users count. I dunno... this could be difficult and messy and inaccuriate, but if done right it could be very interesting.
Anyways... opinions anyone? --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 15:46, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Sorry, but this here's a vote for no. I think it could be a good idea under a different venu, such as the [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page Fanstuff Wiki], or perhaps a poll in the [http://forum.hrwiki.org/ Forum]. But since this is simply a knowledge base, it wouldn't really fit in too well.
[[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'']] 16:37, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

::I agree with Thunderbird. It's just not necessary. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::What if it was made in Fanstuff Wiki? Don't care too much if it never happens. Besides, I wouldn't have the know-how and stuff to make a page like that anyway. Someone else would have had to do it. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 17:09, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

::::Yeah, that'd be awesome. Run with it. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::::I went and I ran with it. You can check it out in the Interactive section of Fanstuff H*R Wiki. :) It's called, "Character Popularity"--[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 16:47, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Article of the day? ==

Why not have a featured article like Wikipedia?

:We don't have any featured articles, so we couldn't have a featured article of the day.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:49, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

::We could do it like the Fark.com [http://216.32.91.95/Main_Page Wiki] does it. Each month has 7 articles (one for each day of the week) that rotate around every week (with a new set every month). For instance, you create a page called [[HRWiki:Featured article/Tuesday, March]] then just do an include on the main page like:

<nowiki>== Featured article ==</nowiki> 
<nowiki>{{HRWiki:Featured article/{{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTMONTH}}}}</nowiki>

That would run automatically for a whole month with only 7 articles. --[[User:noclip|noclip]] 18:53, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

:The fact remains that we still don't have featured articles.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:05, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)
::You don't need to "have" them. You can just make em. Start a poll of which articles should be on the front page, take those and copy-paste them into HRWiki:Featured article/Whatever day and use that link on the front page.

== New logo ==

How about it?

[[Image:hrwlogoidea-fixed.png]]

[[User:noclip|noclip]] 18:59, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

::I had this alternate too

[[Image:hrlogowithhr.png]]

[[User:noclip|noclip]] 19:26, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

:I like the one with the dropshadow, but would be happy with either of them... [[User:Glutnix|Glutnix]] 03:03, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)

I've started a "Poll" about this

:Sorry, but we don't do polls. I've deleted your poll page accordingly.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:02, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
::JoeyDay told me to start one. It was just to see whether the users were for it. He said it was okay and that the decision would be left up to the admins anyway. It'd have been nice if you protected the page and posted the results instead of straight up deleting it.

:::Well, if it matters, I really don't like the green "Wiki". Another color would look nice.
:::And Homestar Runner looks a little bit bumpy. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]
::::I would have used another color but TBC pretty much used everything on the logo.

:::::Just because it's been used once doesn't mean you can't use it again. Orange or grey would look nice (I think). →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::The first one looks great. I don't know about the green, but it looks better than the current logo. {{User:Rainer/sig}}

::::The first one is perfect. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:10, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)

:::::I love them both! Actiually, contrary to what these folks are saying, I like the green (probably because it's my favourite colour... xD). But I agree that Homestar looks bumpy. The first ones real nice, though.

::On second thought, the green looks nice, actually. {{User:Rainer/sig}}

:I think that the first one is incredible! Nice work! I love the green! →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 14:32, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)

:I Think the second one should be used. I prefer it over the one that's up now. And I also like the green "wiki". That logo looks really, really nice. But as for the first one... I don't know, the drop shadow just doesn't look H*Rish, and it's good to see H*R (the character) on the logo. In conclusion... the second one. --[[User:70.25.9.49|70.25.9.49]] 01:52, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
::Have you seen the H*R loading screen? It's got the drop shadow.
:::Yeah, but the logo in the loading screen is round, and I think the shadow isn't quite as dark. With the "Wiki" in there, the shadow looks like it should be more complex, but then it would be too realistic. Well, that's how I feel about it.

:Though I am leaning toward the second logo, I like the first one almost as much (the green isn't a problem to me). Both logos are pretty good. Nice job. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 16:33, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Not to be a picky monkey, but they look a tad bit jaggy...do ya think you could smooth it out a bit, especially the one with Homestar on it? - [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 16:35, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oh my gosh that rocks out loud I love the green it fits so well. I love it love it love it. For cerial. (does that count as "internet slang"?)--[[User:Because, It's Midnite|Because, It's Midnite]]

I like it. Dropshadow. ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'' 01:09, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Me too. Dropshadow! [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:47, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm not a member but I go on this site all the time and you can't stop me from giving my opinion so... I VOTE DROPSHADOW! -Alice

I love the first one. The green is cool, but maybe a more basic color might apease some members such as black or white? I dunno though I am horrible at graphic design. --[[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 00:25, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

The second one is better in my opinion. Homestar adds some flavor to it. [[ ↔ Rabidfox ®]]

==Scared of 1.4.0==
I'm scared of this upgrading to 1.4.0 
I didn't like what it did to the fanstuff. Because... 
1. Different font. It's smaller and I don't like it as much. 
2. History erased. I expecially do not want that to happen. Not to mention it could leave some page histery blank, making them targets for non-revertable trolling. 
So, what I'm trying to say, is that if you can't get past these two problems, I think I'd prefer this wiki staying in the 1.3's. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:37, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
::I ran an upgrade to 1.4 a week ago on a pretty big wiki (~200 articles), it went seamlessly. The main page was defaulted, but that was easily reversible through history. Other than that, it shouldn't mess anything up. My thoughts, go ahead and do the upgrade.
:::Well, look at what happened to Fanstuff Wiki. Almost all history was erased, the font is smaller and uploading pictures doesn't work. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 06:20, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Character Evolution, The Stick ==

I posted the first of my suggestions on the discussion page for the FAQ, which of course was not the right place. If it doesn't make any sense what I am about to say, maybe how I worded it there does.

===Suggestion #1: Character Evolution===

In the [[Character Evolution]] pages, we should not treat the Yello Dello and Reddest Radish versions as designs. We shouldn't even include them on the page (perhaps in a sub-section "Other ways so-and-so has been drawn") because these were NEVER solid designs, they were never intended to be and simply aren't. The ''designs'' themselves are valid when talking about the Reddest Radish but they are still not necessary for the page.

===Suggestion #2: The Stick===

I believe that the Stick should not be treated as an Inside Joke, but rather as a full-fledged 'place.' I think it's earned that title, don't you?

Ok, so everyone leave your thoughts, comment or whatever here. I hope to get these suggestions used.

EDIT: I also believe that [[fhqwhgads]] should return to beign an inside joke.

*I agree with all three of those. Reddest Radish and Yello Dello aren't real designs. --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 15:41, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)

*I wholeheartedly agwee. [[Fhqwhgads]] get your birdie carcus into the da inside joke place, and the Stick, be a place, I guess. [[User:64.12.116.195|64.12.116.195]] 00:59, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

==Editing issues==

For some reason, I can't edit the WikiTroll page. In fact, I can't even edit its talk page! I'm not banned (I can edit other pages just fine.) Every time I try to edit those pages, though, it informs me that I'm trying to edit a page that's just been edited - even though there's no new edit on the Recent Changes page or anywhere else. I was trying to add [[User:160.7.1.12|160.7.1.12]], a repeat offender who defaced [[long pants]] and [[Strong Bad Email]]. Can anyone else edit the WikiTroll page? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 10:31, 6 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:It's a result of the move to MediaWiki 1.4. Lots of people are having problems editing certain pages, including the [[HRWiki:WikiTroll Archive|WikiTroll Archive]], [[Strong Bad's Room Main Page]], [[japanese cartoon]], and most importantly [[HRWiki:WikiTroll|WikiTroll]] and [[HRWiki Talk:WikiTroll|Talk:WikiTroll]]. For more information, go to [[HRWiki Talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4]] --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 17:39, 6 Apr 2005 (BST)
:I too had the same problems editing the WikiTroll and WikiTroll Talk pages, which I posted on the [[HRWiki Talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4]]. Annoying, yes? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 12:48, 6 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:: I know I'm not the only one annoyed by a lack of WikiTroll page. Perhaps we should set up a temporary replacement? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:06, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
::: That sounds like a great idea, since we've had a frustrating number of repeat trolls recently, like that guy who keeps changing the pictures around. We could call it "Temporary WikiTroll". <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 15:06, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:::: I called it [[HRWiki:WikiTroll 2.0|WikiTroll 2.0]]. Too bad I can't edit the main page or the old WikiTroll page to link to it. Sigh. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 18:45, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:::::Great jorb! <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 19:15, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
::::::Now if only a mod would put it in an easily-accessible spot... or acknowledge its existence... --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 23:12, 8 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:::::::So, have none of the mods noticed the WikiTroll problem? Hasn't anyone noticed that the Wiki Troll page hasn't updated since the move? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 04:14, 9 Apr 2005 (MDT)

== Watchlist is acting a little strange... ==

The watchlist is looking a bit weird - what happened? Was the database restored from a backup or something?

''(1 pages watched not counting talk pages; 120000 total pages edited''
''since cutoff; checking watched pages for recent edits... show and''
''edit complete list.)''

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Below are the last '''2''' changes in last '''3''' days.
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'''14 Apr 2005'''
(diff) (hist) . . HRWiki talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4; 23:21 . .
12.2.235.67 (Talk) ''(?Creating a New Account)''
'''3 Apr 2005'''
(diff) (hist) . . '''N''' HRWiki:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4; 11:04 . . Tom
(Talk) ''(Add stuff.)''
--[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pidgeot|(e)]] 13:14, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'm seeing 120000 total pages edited too. You're the first one to notice, but I'm guessing this happens for most/all of users. Looks like my hope that our [[HRWiki talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4|problems since upgrading]] were all fixed has been dashed.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:29, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
::Thing is, this didn't happen at the same time as any of the changes (at least not that I know of). Although, the most obvious culprit is the time zone change, but the problem didn't occur until a while after that happened.
::I just noticed that the total pages edited field is always 40000*days - so if you select 6 hours (0.25 days), it shows 10000. I'd like to know where that figure comes from... but I'd need file and database access to verify, and that would probably be a little too much to ask :) --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pidgeot|(e)]] 23:39, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:I've just seen it as well. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 16:36, 20 April 2005 (BST)
:Same here -- <tt>Posted by: [[User:-erson|-erson]] [[User talk:-erson|Talk]]</tt> 23:41, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:This happened to me too. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 16:20, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
::Pidgeot, if you have any specific queries you need me to run, just ask. I'm all about getting to the bottom of this.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:16, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:::I'm afraid I need to examine things close up for me to try and determine anything - I have a number of ideas, but testing any of them is an extensive process, and it would be much easier to do this myself.
:::Could you possibly supply me with a MySQL database dump and a copy of your MediaWiki installation (in case you have files that for some reason are different from a standard MediaWiki 1.4 installation), so I can work on it remotely? I can supply you with a variety of methods of getting the files to me - FTP, a GMail account to send to, etc. (You can e-mail me if you want to discuss it more privately - just click the (e) in my sig.) --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pidgeot|(e)]] 17:20, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::Heh, I just tried that (e), but it looks like our User email function isn't working for some reason. The link in the toolbox doesn't show up on user pages either. Anyway, send me an email at [mailto:tom@hrwiki.org tom@hrwiki.org] and we'll talk. Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:07, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::::Fixed, thanks to Pidgeot's help. For more information, see [http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1778 MediaWiki bug 1778].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:16, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Refactoring the Main Page ==

How would people feel about having the main page refactored to be more like Wikipedia? I think we've got enough content that we could highlight a different article each week and keep a rolling "did you know" list. I also like Wikipedia's category links at the top of the main page. What does everyone think? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 22:30, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:I suggested this too up in "Article of the Day?" on this page. I fully support it.

::I don't think out category system is set up to be navigated like Wikipedia's is. Additionally, running the "Article of the whatever" would be a full-time job. We'd also need someone to come up with a system. The idea sounds nice, but how would you do it? Remember, the english language Wikipedia has 550 times as many legitimate content articles and 165 times as many registered users as we do.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:22, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::You're right. I don't think we have enough content to run an article of the day, but I wouldn't mind being in charge of a weekly or monthly featured article. It might be nice to set up a page where users could nominate articles to be featured, just to give me ideas. I also wouldn't mind scouting the wiki for strange facts to post in a "did you know" section. In fact, I think that would be fun. In short, I'm willing to do it if people want to see it done. In regard to categories, we could simply use our current [[Toons]], [[Strong Bad Email]], etc. pages instead of pointing to the categories themselves. An "in the news" section (though probably called something else) would also be useful for a quick glance at the most recent toons/emails.

:::As a corollary to this, we would probably want to move specifically wiki-related content off the front page and onto some sort of community portal page. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:14, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::I've created a [[User:JoeyDay/Main Page Mock-up|mock-up]] of my main page idea. Not much different from Wikipedia's main page, but I figure what works for them should work just as well for us. I would of course build a bunch of templates to include most of the content. This is just a start. I don't want to spend too much more time on it unless more people want to see it happen. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:13, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::I'm fully for this new Main Page. It looks great! I think we will be able to have a new article everyweek and everything. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 01:22, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Although the new features are cool, I don't like how it makes the original list of pages less accessable. Much less accessable. -- [[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 01:52, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::I don't like the "Browse" or any of that other stuff on there- one reason I really like this wiki is because it's so simple. Browse and all that other stuff make it sort of confusing. To me, anyways. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

:::The mock up looks nice, but there are still some things I don't think we need. You solved my category issue very well, but like Firebird mentioned, those links in the "Browse" line there are a bit cumbersome, and I can't actually picture someone using them. I think they work for Wikipedia simply because Wikipedia has a lot of subjects. We don't. How would our [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Browse|Browse]] page look?
:::Joshua makes another good point. Quite a few of the article links were left out. This might be because they would end up somewhere else in the new system, but I like having links for things like [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]] on there.
:::Now that I've seen more of the proposal, I'm liking the idea of featured something of the something, and the idea of a "What's new" section on the front page, but I'm not feeling good about the "Did you know?" section. That would be a job and a half for someone to manage.
:::Oh, I noticed for Wikipedia's "anyone can edit" link you went to our :About page. I kind of like the newer [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Introduction|Introduction guide]] that Wikipedia set up back in December. I'd be willing to set that up for us.
:::Oh, and the portal is a great idea too.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:32, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I have laid out a preliminary Categorization scheme on my [[User:Drhaggis|User Page]] for use in the new main page navigation This represents all of the top-level categories. Comments are welcome. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 17:02, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::I've also created a [[User:Tom/Introduction Mock-up|Introduction mock-up]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:35, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::Looks great Tom. Are we getting a community portal? It would be a great non-forum way to discuss the Wiki. If so it should be called "Meet-up at the Stick" or some such thing [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 17:44, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::I think we're seriously considering it, as Joey mentioned it in his mock up and discussion as well. "Meet-up at The Stick" sounds like the right name for it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:49, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::Call me stupid, but I'm not exactly sure what a community portal is. Can anyone explain it to me? →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

:::::Wikipdia has their [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Community Portal|Commnuity Portal]] you could check out. Basically, they don't have a forum and use the wiki itself for discusion of wiki-related topics.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:57, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::Wow, man! Both mock-ups are fantastic! I really hope that they'll be used. [[User:señor|»ßenit, known as señor«]]

==Interviews/Presentations==

Since we're now starting to make pages for genuine interviews of, and presentations by [[TBC]], what about actually putting them somewhere, besides just 'sightings'. I figure that since they're put out BY [[TBC]], and not more or less fanstuff, they should get their own section linked to from the main page, under Wiki Stuff, maybe as 'Interviews' or something, and then as such, sort out all the websites we have with transcrips of interviews and stuff, and transcribe them, maybe put a few fun facts in there, ect, make them all genuine pages. I think it would really add to the usefulness of the Wiki. Any ideas? If the sysops ('''EDIT:''' Hey, That's Me!) are up to adding to the main page, I volunteer to personally spearhead, to an extent, (I'll have much more spare time as of May the 1st), this undertaking, along with transcribing, ect. Plus many of the interviews are already transcribed on the pages we're linked to, our transcriptions could just edit for typos, maybe censor a word or two, but be useful incase these pages are ever shut down, the interviews lost forever. Okay, any comments/suggestions? ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'' 01:08, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Sounds good to me.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:16, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==Signatures==

The signatures look like crap now thanks to 1.4.0

i spent a whole day trying to reformat me signature

then finally i got it.

it is so annoying though but if you want a cool signature like this one :[[User:pertmywert|pertmywert]][[User talk:pertmywert|talk]] copy this:<nowiki>pertmywert]][[User talk:pertmywert|talk</nowiki>

Just replace my name bit's and put in your name

:Actually, 1.4 handles signatures better than previous versions. You just need to make sure your preferences are set correctly.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:23, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I think my Sig is pretty cool... ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'' 22:25, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:I can't see your arrows any more. Is this a font problem or what? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 22:28, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

What? My Arrows? My precious little arrows? I can still see them. Keep on Arrowing, my Arrowies. Seriously though, can you not see them? If not, does anyone have any ideas why? I like my arrows. ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'' 22:42, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:In order to see the arrows, you must have Japanese fonts installed. These can be installed through the Control Panel. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 13:49, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::You're so smart. Yay for Pidgeot! →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

:::Yup, I can see them on my laptop which has Japanese fonts installed. Cool. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 00:47, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::Sweet, kinda like a special little easter egg only if you have the right font. Btw, here's another 'easter egg', just finished it today, and it'll only work on my sig starting now. Try clicking on the two arrows individually... ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|?]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|?]]</tt>'' 04:57, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::::Cute addition. You should have some sort of.... arrow... rap. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 05:24, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::::"Arrows in the front, arrows in the back, get down get down, offa that [[secret recipies|smoke stack!]]." Hows that? ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|?]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|?]]</tt>'' 05:29, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==Borders==
So it's not that big of a deal or anything, but I think thin black borders around the current logo would look awesome. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''
:Yeah, you might have something there. Here's what they might like:
::[http://img2.echo.cx/img2/5051/req69bg.png Medium]
::[http://img2.echo.cx/img2/6681/req77er.png Thick]
::[http://img2.echo.cx/img2/6194/req83kw.png Thin]
:Especially with Homestar himself having a black border. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

::You can tweak the CSS all you want. Maybe a little <tt>#p-logo{border:thin solid black;}</tt>?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:11, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::([[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]])

::::Oh no no no, that's not what I meant at all. Please do not edit that. I was talking about FireBird's personal CSS at "User:FireBird/monobook.css".[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:45, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::Wow, I didn't know you could do that.....! [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]] 23:37, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

== Back Links ==

I was just wondering, does anyone else think it'd be a good idea to have little links at the top and/or bottom of pages that return to the main page that links to it? For example, [[flashback]] would have a link at the top that would say something like "Back to [[Strong Bad Email]]" (maybe with some cool border around it). I think it'd make browsing around the site easier. For me, anyway. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]] 22:41, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
Back to [[Strong Bad Email]]> 
it could maybe look like that

:I think a link to the page would do just fine instead of a template and all that. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

::I love the idea of the link back, but I think the border is a little much. ~ [[User:señor|»ßenit, known as señor«]]

:::K, screw the template. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

::::This sounds like a good idea, but isn't it already half done? There's a link to [[Strong Bad Email]] in [[:Template:Strong Bad Email]]. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 15:45, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::It's also in the navigation bar on the left side of the screen. And there's the browser back button. Plus many pages link from more than one place. Unfeasable, and unneeded, in my opinion. ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|?]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|?]]</tt>'' 01:55, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::::::Note, I just deleted that template and copied the style span here. The only thing I added was the closing span tag.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:58, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::Well, about the browser back button, many times I click on the discussion page, maybe click edit, then maybe article again so when I want to go back I end up hitting back 3-4 times. Otherwise, do you think we should make those sbemail templates for other things like toons, too? [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

== Unused images ==

I've just been looking at the [[Special:Unusedimages|unused image list]], and it suprises me just how many there are. Some are not needed anymore (to pick at random, "sketchbook serpented.PNG" is a good example), while some appear to be for personal use, but never used on the wiki itself (see images 90 to 102, and others). Should somebody delete some of these, or at least put them on their respective pages? (providing they are not redundant or personal) --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 16:29, 3 May 2005 (BST)

== Interwiki Links ==

I think the [[HR:|interwiki links]] are ugly in the default stylesheet. I'd like to change them to look identical to [http://www.homestarrunner.com external links], but I'm not sure that would be the best way to do things. Anyone else have ideas? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:51, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

:I like them how they are. Light blue without the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Talk:Main_Page#Interwiki_Links tiny arrow] is interwiki, and with the arrow is external. Dark blue is internal. It always made sense to me. It's also the standard on Wikipedia and every other MediaWiki site that I can recall. If people really don't like it, they can always adjust their personal CSS in their user page.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:31, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::Actually, now that I'm thinking straight, the interwiki links I was looking at were ''visited'' interwiki links. I don't like that particular shade of blue. I guess I'll go change my own stylesheet. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 04:25, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Heh, you just visit too many interwiki links then. Hmm. That's c00. Oops, I mean, that's 00c. Er, that's cool.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:55, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::::Actually, now that I've examined the stylesheet, there really wasn't a difference between visited or unvisited interwiki links. It really was a dirty looking shade of blue. I've changed the global stylesheet so that interwiki links and external links are the same color. I won't add the arrow to interwiki links though, even though I'd like to since they are technically still outgoing links. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:11, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

== Strong Bad Email link in navigation box ==

Does anyone actually use the Strong Bad Email link in the navigation box to the left? If enough people use it, I suppose we should leave it there, but I'm starting to think it's a little silly. If we link to Strong Bad Email from the sidebar, why don't we link to Toons, Games, Characters, etc. from the sidebar? Where do we draw the line? What makes Strong Bad Email so much more important than other pages? Just a thought. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:35, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

:I think it is a very busy link. As much as we like to remain NPOV, Strong Bad Emails are quite the popular feature of homestarrunner.com. The Brothers Chaps seem to acknowledge this in their focus on the emails, and perhaps the fact that they are so often updated is another reason to keep it. I don't know what others think, but I think the link can stay.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:40, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::Same here. ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|?]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|?]]</tt>'' 01:56, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::I use it a lot. I think we should put it below "H*R.com updates" though. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 05:56, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Done. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:12, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

== Something's Up... ==

Hey, has this been popping up for anybody else?

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the
software. The last attempted database query was: (SQL query hidden) from
within function "MediaWikiBagOStuff:_doquery". MySQL returned error "1062:
Duplicate entry 'hrwiki_mwiki:messages:Sitenotice' for key 1 (localhost)".

I'm sure it's a MediaWiki glitch, but I wanted to see if anyone else is having this problem. If an admin could help out, it would be greatly apreciated. Thanks! --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 20:38, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

:I've gotten this too. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

::I've seen it several times, too. Perhaps we should sic [[User:Tom|Tom]] and [[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] on it. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:44, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

:::I wish I were as smart as them. They're like, amazing. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

::::It's all a matter of learning by doing. Go get Apache, PHP (zipped version, NOT installer), MySQL and PHPMyAdmin, set them up on a Windows machine (mostly automatic), and start playing around. Find someone who already knows about these things, so you have someone to turn to when things don't go your way. Then write a small program of some sort. It could be anything - for me, my first PHP program was a POKéMON management system that kept track on your POKéMON and their training, whilst calculating various things about them, but that's probably too high a starting point for most people. ^_^ --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:25, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

It just happened to me again. It wasn't too bad a while ago, but now, it's becoming more frequent. To reiterate: Something's up... --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 20:53, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

:Same here, I just got two in as many minutes. The only thing I recognize in there is the [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice|site notice]], but I don't think that helps here. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 22:18, 6 May 2005 (BST)

::I've gotten it too a couple of times. Never really thought too much about it. I've done a few database queries and [[Wikipedia:grep]]s on the MediaWiki software, but I haven't found anything.
::I may need a new database dump if I'm to make an indepth analysis and find out what's wrong - the error didn't occur until after I got my copy, so if it's database-related, I wouldn't have the error here. However, I've got an idea as to what it might be, so if Tom'd be so kind as to run a single query on the database for me, and tell me the result, I might be able to find the solution that way.
::The query that needs to be run is <tt>SELECT * FROM cur WHERE cur_title LIKE '%sitenotice'</tt>. Since the error is periodic, rather than permanent, it probably won't return a useful result, but it's worth a shot.
::Oh, if anyone has seen the error WITHOUT the query hidden (can sysops do that? Or maybe Tom?), it would help me immensly if you could tell me what the query is. That way, I can see what exactly is causing the error, and locate the PHP file sending that query to MySQL. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:25, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
:::Actually, scratch that. I think I has the solution!
:::I need a sysop to go to [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] and put a single dash (-) as the article text - similar to what they have at [[Wikipedia:MediaWiki:Sitenotice]]. Appearantly, there's an issue somewhere that causes odd behavior when it's blank, but the dash will work as if it were blank.
:::With a little luck, that should do the trick. I haven't gone in-depth with the issue, though, I just remembered reading somewhere that it should be a dash instead of blanked. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:30, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

::::Done. I did notice that this started to happen after I blanked the sitenotice. Let's see if the dash fixes it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:37, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::See, this is the problem with periodic errors - they don't appear when you want them to. :P (Oh, I edited my above post slightly - it's such an obvious quote that I '''had''' to use it :)) --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:51, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Arg. I got the error again just now when trying to save changes to [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]].

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a
bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
(SQL query hidden)
from within function "MediaWikiBagOStuff:_doquery". MySQL
returned error "1062: Duplicate entry 'hrwiki_mwiki:messages'
for key 1 (localhost)".

Does this mean there's corruption in another db record? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:40, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
:Well, it's not the same error message, so the problem is elsewhere in the database (the fix might be the same, though). I suggest you keep a lookout for whether or not it appears again, since it COULD be an isolated incident.
:I'm slightly puzzled with the error returned by this one, since it seems to suggest that there's a problem with a '''namespace'''... but I might be wrong there. I'll take a quick peek at my dump and see if I can come up with anything.
:BTW, if it's possible, it would be nice if you could enable display of these queries, at least for sysops (such as yourself). This would help a lot with finding the error quickly. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:12, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
:Added 21:29, 13 May 2005 (UTC): The only thing that comes to mind is if the article/message has no title. I did actually find two of these in my dump - shown by the query <code><nowiki>SELECT * FROM cur WHERE cur_title=''</nowiki></code> - but neither of these are in the namespace suggested by the error message. -- [[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike>

== More interwiki links? ==

I've been thinking lately it would be nice if we set up Videlectrix, Thorax Corp, and Mellow Mushroom as sister sites. This would make it possible for us to create interwiki links to them in the same way we currently link to Homestar Runner. If I set these up, how should I do the links? I was thinking "Videlectrix" for Videlectrix, "Thorax" for Thorax Corp., and "Mushroom" for Mellow Mushroom.

And speaking of Mellow Mushroom, does anyone else think we should be transcribing those toons as well? I know we are only a Homestar Runner knowledge-base, but Mellow Mushroom is a big part of TBC lore. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 22:39, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, I wondered if we were going to do that on [[HRWiki talk:Projects]]. It's a good idea (I mean, if we link to Wikipedia we should link to those). And, we might as well do MM transcripts.....
:Oh yeah and maybe an interwiki link to the H*R store, too. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]] 03:10, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

:And we should also have interwiki links to the forum, I guess. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 07:48, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

::[[Mellow Mushroom]] transcripts and articles have been nixed on the respective [[Talk:Mellow Mushroom|talk page]] for a long time. The toons are not written by The Brothers Chaps, they simply did the animation. I do not think we need an interwiki link for that either. Videlectrix and Thorax seem alright though.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:48, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

I've added the [[HRStore:|Homestar Runner store]], [[Videlectrix:|Videlectrix]], and [[Thorax:|Thorax Corp.]] to our interwiki links. I've also styled them for standards-compliant browser users. We should start changing links to these three places all over the wiki. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:49, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

== Thousand ==

One thousandth article. That's pretty cool. I should probably celebrate... oh! I know! article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article... forget it. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 02:15, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

:The ten millionth page view and 100,000th edit are coming soon[[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]
:page view, page view, page view, page view, page view, page view, page view, page view...

== New blockquote style... ==

I've created a new default style for blockquotes.

<blockquote>This is a quoted block of text. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Vivamus vestibulum. Quisque adipiscing. Proin bibendum justo eu nunc. Nam pulvinar, ligula vel accumsan vestibulum, wisi sem vehicula leo, vitae condimentum nisl erat vitae nisl. Vivamus lacinia, est in rhoncus lacinia, enim magna tristique sapien, nec suscipit lorem magna at tortor. Pellentesque iaculis diam vel elit. Nunc a felis vel odio fringilla sollicitudin. Nullam et ipsum. Pellentesque porta nisl in justo. Pellentesque malesuada lacus sed elit. Vestibulum rutrum mi et mauris. Praesent sit amet quam. Phasellus rhoncus ipsum et mi egestas sagittis. Maecenas vel massa id lectus commodo faucibus. Integer varius blandit quam. Etiam dapibus mi nec nunc. Pellentesque eu felis quis ante rhoncus porta.

Donec pulvinar. Duis malesuada leo tempor mi. In orci odio, dictum varius, porttitor sit amet, accumsan ac, turpis. Integer tincidunt, dolor vel consequat vulputate, turpis quam bibendum odio, blandit lobortis nunc dui sit amet arcu. Mauris euismod libero sed leo. Mauris luctus risus sit amet justo. Class aptent taciti sociosqu ad litora torquent per conubia nostra, per inceptos hymenaeos. In vel libero in leo ullamcorper luctus. Integer ante nibh, lobortis in, fermentum eu, aliquet ac, ante. Etiam ornare. Mauris eleifend. Cras vel massa. Phasellus erat lacus, auctor vel, aliquam et, ullamcorper eget, urna. Praesent vestibulum lacinia odio. In nec dui ac mi sodales facilisis. Nunc laoreet turpis et tellus.</blockquote>

Only problem now is you have to put in your own <code>p</code> and <code>br</code> tags. Is there any way to do a blockquote with wiki formatting? What does everyone think of the style? (If you aren't seeing it, try Ctrl-F5 to do a hard refresh.) — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 21:06, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

:What about something more to differentiate, such as a blue line on the left side, or what would be really cool, a giant ' { ' to stretch from the top to the bottom along the left side. I think it needs something easily noticible, probably different colored. '''EDIT:''' My bad, looks like it's got the blue line now. I still think the stretching '{' would be pretty cool though... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 22:27, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
::A stretching "{" would be very hard to do. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]
::Otherwise, you can put it in the css as like heading 5 so it's like <nowiki>"======Blockquote Text======"</nowiki>, but I don't know if you'd want to do that. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

:::Yeah, the blue line was there from the start. Those of you who aren't seeing it should try a hard refresh (Ctrl+F5). — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 14:43, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

::Is that a idea of what to repace ''{stuff like this}'' with? If so, I don't like it as much. Sorry. -- '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]''''' 15:53, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

:::I think some of you might be utterly confused. A <code>blockquote</code> is used for quoting large blocks of text. It won't be used as header level 5 or to replace curly braces. It will be used instead of <code>pre</code> when quoting things like emails. See [[Talk:Penguin Brothers Interview - 26 May 2003]] for a good example of what I'm talking about. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:20, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

==kitkorp==

[http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/ kitkorp sub-page dealie]

<strike>Shouldn't we have some kinda page for this? What exactly is this, is this another 'museum' type thing the brothers chaps made for inquisitive folks like us? Shouldn't we have some kind of guiding walkthrough or something for this page? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:07, 20 May 2005 (UTC)</strike>

:Ah, I see. Fansite mirror of entire website with bonus old data. Gotcha. Clever. Never mind... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:42, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

== suggestion for front page ==

I think the front page here would greatly benefit from having a box with the 5 or so most recent updates from the [[H*R.com updates]] page. I hate when I come here to see what's new on hr.com and I have to click links, instead of just seeing. what do you think?

:1. Please sign your posts, by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> after them. 2. It is a good idea, and we've been working on incorperating it into a new main page. It's been under some discussion [[User_talk:JoeyDay/Main_Page_Mock-up#What.27s_new|here]]. Welcome to the wiki. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:20, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

::Speaking of main page changes, I think the [[User:JoeyDay/Main_Page_Mock-up|new main page layout]] is ready to go live sometime this week. I'd really appreciate some last-minute feedback on the [[User talk:JoeyDay/Main Page Mock-up|talk page]]. Most notably, we need [[HRWiki:Featured article nominations|nominations for featured articles]]. Thanks. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 03:41, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

*Joey Day you rock! THe Main Page looks Shuper Shweet! [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 19:01, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

== The New Main Page ==
Let me be the first to thank [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] for all of his hard work in getting this new main page up and running. Suggestions to make this page better? Questions/Comments? Post 'em here! {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:50, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

:I think the new Main Page is hawt. However, I'm not a fan of the small-caps in the "Browse the Knowledge-Base" section. It works fine for the sub-headings (e.g. "Features", "Weeklies"), but not so much for the links themselves. IMHO. Anyway, great work Joey. — [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 18:53, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

::I kindof like the small-caps for all the nav items, but I wouldn't be opposed to making the "browse" section normal-caps if enough people really want it. So, what say ye? Anyone else not like the small-caps in the browse section? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:14, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

::I would like it normal- as in, capitalize the first letter of the word. It makes it look a bit cluttered and stuffed like it is now. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 21:07, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

:I personally think that the new [[Main Page]] is awesome. I like how you can post a pic from the newest toon/game!! --[[User:kerrek slaya|kerrek slaya]] 19:03, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

:I like it. Great jorb! --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]|[[User talk:acekirby13|My Talk]] 19:39, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

:WOW surprised me that this design is finally up. Good job! [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

:I am dissapointed mainly because now there is no link to STUFF. Personally, I think STUFF should be added to the navigation bar/ [[User:TakuaKaita600|TK600]] 22:16, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah, where's the quick links to STUFF, Sightings, WikiTroll and the like? Other than that, I like it. -- '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]''''' 00:57, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Wikitroll and STUFF can be found at [[HRWiki:The Stick|The Stick]]. I think Sightings can fit somewhere on the Main Page. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 03:01, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

::::Sightings is still on the main page. It's in the "Miscellany" section (it's been there since the new layout went live). STUFF and WikiTroll are linked to from The Stick. In fact, I just added a Quick Menu box to The Stick to facilitate easier navigation. The main reason for moving those links is that the Main Page is the pretty face we present to visitors and users. It should really only contain links to the actual content of the knowledge-base. With the creation of The Stick, we finally have a separate place to move maintenance type links out of the way. Does this make sense? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:14, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

:I think that maybe the text should be smaller...I opened it up and was like, "Who set the text size so big?" But then I checked the navigation bar and saw it was normal. But anyway, I think it's awesome! It's like Wikipedia. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 03:05, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

::The reason it looks so big is because every word is capitalized, just the first word is bigger. In my opinion, it would look better normal, but it doesn't really matter either way.{{User:FireBird/sig}} 03:10, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

:::The "welcome" message is actually in a larger font. Everything else is normal. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:14, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

== What The... ==

What the crap happened to the main page? Who edited it?? -Kinsey

:JoeyDay updated it, Kinsey. You can check the status by clicking [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=history here]. JoeyDay does awesome work. --[[User:The Paper|The Paper]] 21:36, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

I gotta be honest, I don't like it. I guess it takes getting used to. But who asked me? -Alice

== What's New? ==

Shouldn't any user be allowed to edit that section? I propose that we make that section a template and link to the template from the main page. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 19:03, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

*Agreed. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 19:05, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

::Er... [[Template:whatsnew|it is a template]]. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 19:06, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

== Low Bandwith? ==
I remember on 5/28 to 6/1 or something close that the bandwidth was down. Why? Too many viewers?-user, not signed in.

:Yes, essentially, too many visitors. We use an incredible amount of bandwidth here and it just keeps growing. We were lucky that we didn't pass the limit until close to the end of the month. The best solution to the bandwidth problems is to [[HRWiki:Donations|help us pay our hosting costs]]. — [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 13:48, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::Same thing happened last month for two hours or so.[[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

:::Happened to me, too
: No need to point that out - it happened to EVERYBODY between those dates. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 15:42, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps HRWIKI has other reasons to use them or is getting a better deal, but the transfer limits on Goleman's $50 plan (as per their products page) seems to be low. Could this be addressed with Goleman Networks without additional funding? — ''gsw''

:I'm not sure what you're looking at, because there isn't a $50 plan on Goleman Networks' product page, but you're right. The numbers on that page are pretty low. Fortunately, Mr. Goleman is a good friend of mine and he's giving us an awesome deal: 150 GB per month at $50 per month — and it's still not enough! — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:47, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::Unless you can get Mr. Goleman to give you a better deal, maybe you should try switching the default skin to a less bandwidth-intensive layout, such as Standard or CologneBlue. If users would rather have Monobook, they can just register and change their preferences. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 16:56, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:Sorry, I meant Products->Hosting, which shows a 5 GB limit. Sounds like you've got it covered, though. 'Nuff said. — ''gsw''

== *Tink* easter egg ==

Well, i found something that isn't useful, but is a bit unusual. In the main menu 4, (the bowling one) if you roll your mouse over the games sign 1 time, it will leave 2 pins standing. If you do it again, it produces a *tink* sound.

:Hmmmmm... Well... Ummm.... Wow. Just... Wow. Actually, it's already been meantioned [[Main Page 4|here]]. This is more the place for discussions about the Wiki Main Page, or the Wiki as a whole. This comment probably would have been best directed [[Talk:Main Page 4|here]]. We do appreciate the input and watchfullness though, just try and direct most comments to their respective talk pages. And welcome to the wiki. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:09, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Possible Troll? ==

Call me crazy, but I not only clicked on the new email rap link, I checked it against the website. As of this moment, the email rap is still the same as it was. Is somebody trolling? --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 14:51, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:No, this is valid. The scroll buttons rap has been changed. Hit refresh, or something. Your browser is probably being stupid. --[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 14:55, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Wiki interview ==
As of now we are the biggest Homestar Runner fan-site. We have everything, everyone and every-toon cataloged and transcribed in their own page. But still, there are so much we don't know for sure, like:
*Is [[Stickly Man]] realy [[The Poopsmith]]?
*Is [[Homsar]] [[The Bossman]]?
*Who is the [[Unnamed Characters|Unnamed Girl]]?
*Or [[The Unguraits]]?
*Did a certain character realy refered to a certain thing in pop-colture/game/other toon when he said/did something?
*Did a character realy said this, or that?
*Is [[Creepy Comb-Over Strong Bad]] realy [[Senor Cardgage]]?
*What was TBC's real part in [[Mellow Mushroom]]?
*What was the deal with [[Puppet Jam: Mission Control]]? Was it an actual puppet thing they had on the site and removed? Or was it just a joke?
*And so on.

If we want to answer these questions and others, I think we sould ask for an intrview fron the brothers Chaps and ask them those questions so we can stop arguing over this silly things. [[User:E.L. Cool|E.L. Cool]] 12:20, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:I've always wondered why they labled one of the [[Floppy Disk Container]]s 'Hypou Blade' instead of 'Hyper Blade'. Among other things... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 02:07, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::So let's make a list of questions to TBC and just ask them! [[User:E.L. Cool|E.L. Cool]] 04:41, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::Well sure, you can always email them and try your hand at getting a reply. Beyond that though... Don't know if there's much you can do to ENSURE a reply. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:34, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::::Its worth a shot, sure. I think if people have any particularly pressing comments they should add them to the list above..However I would be cautious; more likely than not TBC left some of these minor details ambiguous, and probably don't really think that they are big enough points to merit an "interview"...However, without my pessimist side showing I think its a good idea! -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]]

::::Hmmm.. I ''would'' try my hand at this but English is not my primary language. It takes me like, 5 minutes to write this thing here. If it was Hebrew on the other hand... :) [[User:E.L. Cool|E.L. Cool]] 06:07, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==Internet==
<blockquote>We're currently working on # articles about our favorite internet cartoon.</blockquote>
should be
<blockquote>We're currently working on # articles about our favorite Internet cartoon.</blockquote>

Confused? Read [http://www.answers.com/internet&r=67 this]. --'''[[User:porplemontage|Steve]]''' (''[[User talk:porplemontage|talk]]'') 23:12, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Fixed.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:31, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==MediaWiki 1.5==

Will the H*R Wiki and the H*R Fanstuff Wiki be upgrading to [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.5 MediaWiki 1.5]?

While I'm here, I'll just outline some of the new features of 1.5:
*Able to edit the [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/MediaWiki:Sidebar sidebar] a whole lot easier
*Random [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Randompage/Image images], [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Randompage/Category categories], [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Randompage/User user pages], etc.
*Quickly [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Log/move revert moved pages] (for sysops)
*New image uploads only generate one entry in [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Recentchanges Recent Changes] instead of two
*Page moves are logged in [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php?title=Stupidpage&action=history Page History]
*You can choose what name Images [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Upload upload as]
*Possible to choose the namespace in [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Recentchanges Recent Changes]
*A new Print tab

The [[Wikipedia:Main Page|English Wikipedia]] has already upgraded. -- [[User:Super Sam|Super Sam]] 13:30, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:I'd suggest waiting a bit. MW 1.5 is still beta, and they keep discovering new and exciting bugs each time they upgrade a different Wikipedia. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 13:45, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::I think if the Wikipedia has already upgraded, it's good enough for us. -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 14:01, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:::Yeah, it's still beta. It looks great, but we are going to wait until it's a stable release. And probably a itsy-bit longer.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:17, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:::Wikipedia DELIBERATELY use the betas to help find and iron out bugs (after all, MediaWiki was developed for that site). Beta is not suitable for most sites, as there's almost guaranteed to be problems. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 15:34, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:Remember that the Mediawiki developers and the Wikimedia technical crew are pretty well one and the same. When your sysadmins wrote the thing, you can live a little closer to the edge. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 02:08, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Main Page

Cyrius — Sat, 02 Jul 2005 13:45:31 GMT

Cyrius: /* MediaWiki 1.5 */

<div class="plainlinks" style="font-family: georgia; border: 1px dashed #06f; background: #eef; padding: 0.5em; margin: 0.5em 0.5em 1em; text-align: center;">Main page doesn't look right? 
— [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=purge Purge the cache] —</div>

:''In order to shorten the size of this page, all conversations before the 30th of December have been archived. You can access the archive [[HRWiki:Main Page Talk Archive|here]].''

== Every thing is fine now ==
um what happened the last 3-4 days? i could not get on the wiki --[[User:djm1791|djm1791]] 05:33, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Bandwidth ran out. It's been discussed. Everything is fine. Nothing is ruined. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 05:36, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

but what does that mean & were can i find this discosion? --[[User:djm1791|djm1791]] 05:38, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Bottom of this page, for one. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 05:49, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

thanks --[[User:djm1791|djm1791]] 05:53, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Shouldn't there be a character reference for the Strong brothers' mother? I know we never see her, but she does seem to be around somewhere since they refer to her (as in the SB email, "the facts).

== What the crap? ==

Why am I not on the list of registered users? --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]

:You're number 439.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:42, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)

== 2004/2005 Tsunami Donation Link ==

I was just reading up on the [[Wikipedia:2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake|Indian Ocean Earthquake]] and realized how incredibly horrible this event was, and I'm seriously thinking we need some kind of banner to a donation link to the Wikipedia donation page. Or something like that. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

How very specific your request is.
-[[User:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf|Fhq]]

Fhq, what's your point? It's a good idea, don't give him crap because he's thinking larger than himself.
Bird, perhaps you should send Joey a PM on the forum. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]

:Just in case anyone was wondering, we won't be adding a notice to the Main Page. If you'd like to put a notice on your userpage, that would be acceptable.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:14, 7 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Dubious reference solution ==

Over the past few Strongbad e-mail articles, I've read a lot of (to be frank) farfetched suggestions of references that TBCs are presumably making to other stuff. Maybe, if you're 100% sure that something is intended as a reference (for example, a character name or line very specific to one TV show), then it's fine to say it's a reference. But if something just seems to remind you of something else (for example, a song that sounds kinda-sorta like a song that was played in the 23rd episode of some TV series), then it's more accurate to say that it is '''reminiscent''' of something, rather than a reference to something.

Just a suggestion.

:A wonderful suggestion, and it goes along with the ongoing discussion we are having regarding the overhaul of our current fun fact system. Thank you for your concern and idea.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:52, 13 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Locking down the main page ==

I visited today and noticed that the main page had been defaced. Someone else restored the last known good version, but it seems to me that the front page should not be editable by just anyone for this exact reason. Even the main page of Wikipedia is off-limits to anyone except staff...
:Yes, I want the main page protected as well... [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]-<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|?</tt>]] 14:05, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)
-It happened again. This must be done NOW.

:Look, the template does nothing to prevent trolling; it's a redundancy. Locking down the Main Page is a good way to go, since nothing really changes there, anyway. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 14:26, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

I find it funny how the MediaWiki's been around for at least 5 months now and only NOW are people starting to complain about wanting the Main Page locked down. Personally, I think it's prime idiot bait, as in "if you deface the main page, you're automatically not fit to be on the wiki." --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 15:02, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

You could have a way to detect whether someone is severely defaceing the page or not. --[[User:67.161.224.65|67.161.224.65]]

::Okay, due to several requests and the seeming lack of need to update the Main Page, I've protected it. Please note that I do not like having it protected, this being a wiki and all, but I agree that it really doesn't need to be edited that much and is just sitting there as troll fodder. Thanks to all who helped with that last batch of defacement.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:12, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

:::I never change the main page, so I'm pretty happy with that, but I do have one concern. Might the Trollers who automatically go to work on the Main Page to start with, now be forced to move onto smaller, harder to detect defacements on other pages? What if we're only spreading the diease? [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'']] 18:46, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)
[http://hydrocodone-apap.7h.com/ hydrocodone apap]
::::A good concern, and lucky for me I have this wonderful ditty to cite:
::::''...the fact is that for every troll with too much spare time, there are 100 users with just as much spare time ready and eager to undo that troll's (un)work. The fact is, the trolls always get bored before the users do, because the users are emotionally invested in what they've created and the Wiki moves fast enough that the average trolling only lasts about two minutes before it's reverted. A troll's work is hardly ever noticed by anybody, but a legitimate user's work is always noticed and appreciated. That's why wikis work. — InterruptorJones 15:37, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)'' ([[User_talk:FireBird#Question_from_Troll|ref]])
::::Simply put, that's just how wikis work. We'll notice no matter where or how small, and they will get tired.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:55, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::::::That is, unless said troll or trolls are emotionally invested in destroying the wiki. --Guest

::Good answer, thanks. Come to think of it, I guess if everyone has on their watchlist the pages they created, or just care for, then likely whatever page is edited will be watched by SOMEBODY. Thanks for the quick reply. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'']] 17:36, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)

Well, I want to edit the main page. I have a feature in mind that I think would be appreciated by all (I know I'll use it), but would require a little updating every now and again. How about you just make the main page editable by registered members? Disallow guests from editing it. I await the unlocking to reveal my idea.
--Rgb9000

:If it's such a great idea, why can't you just say it? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 00:25, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Fair question. I want to do the actual edit so that I'll be properly credited in the history for the implementation. --[[User:Rgb9000|Rgb9000]] 01:28, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Well, it's a Wiki, so you can't really take credit beyond putting on your userpage that you were the one to do something. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 01:45, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Is it making a link to the newest (H*R) updates on the main page (to the pages of the updates themselves, not to the updates page)? Because that would be quite nice. (but would require updating every week or so). -- 82.81.whatever

== Rejects? ==
Where did Rejects go?? What the? -- Asploder

:Away. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 23:57, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)

::Yes, they're all categorised now, but I don't know where they went. [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|?</tt>]] 18:08, 14 Feb 2005 (MST)

They all went to better places. Characters are now characters, items are now classified as items. Fancy that ;) [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 21:48, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

== Confusion over moving dates ==

The [[Main Page]] says that HRWiki will be moving 'from early Friday morning (Feb. 25) to late Sunday evening (Feb. 27)', but every other page says 'early Friday morning (Mar. 4) to late Sunday evening (Mar. 6)'. Someone should probably fix that on the main page, as it appears it's not closed presently. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 05:04, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)

:The date changed. A hard refresh (likely ctrl+F5) of the Main Page should clear your cache and solve the problem.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:16, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

== New ==

Hi, I'm new and not on the list.--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 09:19, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)
:Yes you are, you're number 895 →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 09:50, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

what number am i?--[[User:Harry|Harry]] 10:03, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Here, [[Special:Listusers|find out for yourself]]. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 10:46, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Thanks--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 11:10, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Favorite Character List ==
It think it might be nice if some o' you guys set up a "Most Popular Character" page to find out who are the most popular main characters in the Homestar Runner universe. There seems to be enough wiki users here to get an accurate idea. In this page, people would say who their favorite character is on the talk section (and their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc favorite as well if they want.) and then someone would add them all up into a graph to show who are the most/least popular character and so on. (And remember, MAIN characters only) To keep things simple, it could be a character would get 8 "popularity points" for being a first favorite, 7 for second, 6 for third, and so on. Whoever gets the highest popularity points goes in the most favorite section. Also, only registered users count. I dunno... this could be difficult and messy and inaccuriate, but if done right it could be very interesting.
Anyways... opinions anyone? --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 15:46, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Sorry, but this here's a vote for no. I think it could be a good idea under a different venu, such as the [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page Fanstuff Wiki], or perhaps a poll in the [http://forum.hrwiki.org/ Forum]. But since this is simply a knowledge base, it wouldn't really fit in too well.
[[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'']] 16:37, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

::I agree with Thunderbird. It's just not necessary. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::What if it was made in Fanstuff Wiki? Don't care too much if it never happens. Besides, I wouldn't have the know-how and stuff to make a page like that anyway. Someone else would have had to do it. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 17:09, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

::::Yeah, that'd be awesome. Run with it. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::::I went and I ran with it. You can check it out in the Interactive section of Fanstuff H*R Wiki. :) It's called, "Character Popularity"--[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 16:47, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Article of the day? ==

Why not have a featured article like Wikipedia?

:We don't have any featured articles, so we couldn't have a featured article of the day.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:49, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

::We could do it like the Fark.com [http://216.32.91.95/Main_Page Wiki] does it. Each month has 7 articles (one for each day of the week) that rotate around every week (with a new set every month). For instance, you create a page called [[HRWiki:Featured article/Tuesday, March]] then just do an include on the main page like:

<nowiki>== Featured article ==</nowiki> 
<nowiki>{{HRWiki:Featured article/{{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTMONTH}}}}</nowiki>

That would run automatically for a whole month with only 7 articles. --[[User:noclip|noclip]] 18:53, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

:The fact remains that we still don't have featured articles.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:05, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)
::You don't need to "have" them. You can just make em. Start a poll of which articles should be on the front page, take those and copy-paste them into HRWiki:Featured article/Whatever day and use that link on the front page.

== New logo ==

How about it?

[[Image:hrwlogoidea-fixed.png]]

[[User:noclip|noclip]] 18:59, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

::I had this alternate too

[[Image:hrlogowithhr.png]]

[[User:noclip|noclip]] 19:26, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

:I like the one with the dropshadow, but would be happy with either of them... [[User:Glutnix|Glutnix]] 03:03, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)

I've started a "Poll" about this

:Sorry, but we don't do polls. I've deleted your poll page accordingly.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:02, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
::JoeyDay told me to start one. It was just to see whether the users were for it. He said it was okay and that the decision would be left up to the admins anyway. It'd have been nice if you protected the page and posted the results instead of straight up deleting it.

:::Well, if it matters, I really don't like the green "Wiki". Another color would look nice.
:::And Homestar Runner looks a little bit bumpy. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]
::::I would have used another color but TBC pretty much used everything on the logo.

:::::Just because it's been used once doesn't mean you can't use it again. Orange or grey would look nice (I think). →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::The first one looks great. I don't know about the green, but it looks better than the current logo. {{User:Rainer/sig}}

::::The first one is perfect. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:10, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)

:::::I love them both! Actiually, contrary to what these folks are saying, I like the green (probably because it's my favourite colour... xD). But I agree that Homestar looks bumpy. The first ones real nice, though.

::On second thought, the green looks nice, actually. {{User:Rainer/sig}}

:I think that the first one is incredible! Nice work! I love the green! →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 14:32, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)

:I Think the second one should be used. I prefer it over the one that's up now. And I also like the green "wiki". That logo looks really, really nice. But as for the first one... I don't know, the drop shadow just doesn't look H*Rish, and it's good to see H*R (the character) on the logo. In conclusion... the second one. --[[User:70.25.9.49|70.25.9.49]] 01:52, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
::Have you seen the H*R loading screen? It's got the drop shadow.
:::Yeah, but the logo in the loading screen is round, and I think the shadow isn't quite as dark. With the "Wiki" in there, the shadow looks like it should be more complex, but then it would be too realistic. Well, that's how I feel about it.

:Though I am leaning toward the second logo, I like the first one almost as much (the green isn't a problem to me). Both logos are pretty good. Nice job. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 16:33, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Not to be a picky monkey, but they look a tad bit jaggy...do ya think you could smooth it out a bit, especially the one with Homestar on it? - [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 16:35, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Oh my gosh that rocks out loud I love the green it fits so well. I love it love it love it. For cerial. (does that count as "internet slang"?)--[[User:Because, It's Midnite|Because, It's Midnite]]

I like it. Dropshadow. ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'' 01:09, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Me too. Dropshadow! [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:47, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I'm not a member but I go on this site all the time and you can't stop me from giving my opinion so... I VOTE DROPSHADOW! -Alice

I love the first one. The green is cool, but maybe a more basic color might apease some members such as black or white? I dunno though I am horrible at graphic design. --[[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 00:25, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

The second one is better in my opinion. Homestar adds some flavor to it. [[ ↔ Rabidfox ®]]

==Scared of 1.4.0==
I'm scared of this upgrading to 1.4.0 
I didn't like what it did to the fanstuff. Because... 
1. Different font. It's smaller and I don't like it as much. 
2. History erased. I expecially do not want that to happen. Not to mention it could leave some page histery blank, making them targets for non-revertable trolling. 
So, what I'm trying to say, is that if you can't get past these two problems, I think I'd prefer this wiki staying in the 1.3's. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:37, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
::I ran an upgrade to 1.4 a week ago on a pretty big wiki (~200 articles), it went seamlessly. The main page was defaulted, but that was easily reversible through history. Other than that, it shouldn't mess anything up. My thoughts, go ahead and do the upgrade.
:::Well, look at what happened to Fanstuff Wiki. Almost all history was erased, the font is smaller and uploading pictures doesn't work. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 06:20, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Character Evolution, The Stick ==

I posted the first of my suggestions on the discussion page for the FAQ, which of course was not the right place. If it doesn't make any sense what I am about to say, maybe how I worded it there does.

===Suggestion #1: Character Evolution===

In the [[Character Evolution]] pages, we should not treat the Yello Dello and Reddest Radish versions as designs. We shouldn't even include them on the page (perhaps in a sub-section "Other ways so-and-so has been drawn") because these were NEVER solid designs, they were never intended to be and simply aren't. The ''designs'' themselves are valid when talking about the Reddest Radish but they are still not necessary for the page.

===Suggestion #2: The Stick===

I believe that the Stick should not be treated as an Inside Joke, but rather as a full-fledged 'place.' I think it's earned that title, don't you?

Ok, so everyone leave your thoughts, comment or whatever here. I hope to get these suggestions used.

EDIT: I also believe that [[fhqwhgads]] should return to beign an inside joke.

*I agree with all three of those. Reddest Radish and Yello Dello aren't real designs. --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 15:41, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)

*I wholeheartedly agwee. [[Fhqwhgads]] get your birdie carcus into the da inside joke place, and the Stick, be a place, I guess. [[User:64.12.116.195|64.12.116.195]] 00:59, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

==Editing issues==

For some reason, I can't edit the WikiTroll page. In fact, I can't even edit its talk page! I'm not banned (I can edit other pages just fine.) Every time I try to edit those pages, though, it informs me that I'm trying to edit a page that's just been edited - even though there's no new edit on the Recent Changes page or anywhere else. I was trying to add [[User:160.7.1.12|160.7.1.12]], a repeat offender who defaced [[long pants]] and [[Strong Bad Email]]. Can anyone else edit the WikiTroll page? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 10:31, 6 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:It's a result of the move to MediaWiki 1.4. Lots of people are having problems editing certain pages, including the [[HRWiki:WikiTroll Archive|WikiTroll Archive]], [[Strong Bad's Room Main Page]], [[japanese cartoon]], and most importantly [[HRWiki:WikiTroll|WikiTroll]] and [[HRWiki Talk:WikiTroll|Talk:WikiTroll]]. For more information, go to [[HRWiki Talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4]] --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 17:39, 6 Apr 2005 (BST)
:I too had the same problems editing the WikiTroll and WikiTroll Talk pages, which I posted on the [[HRWiki Talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4]]. Annoying, yes? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 12:48, 6 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:: I know I'm not the only one annoyed by a lack of WikiTroll page. Perhaps we should set up a temporary replacement? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:06, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
::: That sounds like a great idea, since we've had a frustrating number of repeat trolls recently, like that guy who keeps changing the pictures around. We could call it "Temporary WikiTroll". <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 15:06, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:::: I called it [[HRWiki:WikiTroll 2.0|WikiTroll 2.0]]. Too bad I can't edit the main page or the old WikiTroll page to link to it. Sigh. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 18:45, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:::::Great jorb! <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 19:15, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
::::::Now if only a mod would put it in an easily-accessible spot... or acknowledge its existence... --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 23:12, 8 Apr 2005 (MDT)
:::::::So, have none of the mods noticed the WikiTroll problem? Hasn't anyone noticed that the Wiki Troll page hasn't updated since the move? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 04:14, 9 Apr 2005 (MDT)

== Watchlist is acting a little strange... ==

The watchlist is looking a bit weird - what happened? Was the database restored from a backup or something?

''(1 pages watched not counting talk pages; 120000 total pages edited''
''since cutoff; checking watched pages for recent edits... show and''
''edit complete list.)''

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Below are the last '''2''' changes in last '''3''' days.
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'''14 Apr 2005'''
(diff) (hist) . . HRWiki talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4; 23:21 . .
12.2.235.67 (Talk) ''(?Creating a New Account)''
'''3 Apr 2005'''
(diff) (hist) . . '''N''' HRWiki:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4; 11:04 . . Tom
(Talk) ''(Add stuff.)''
--[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pidgeot|(e)]] 13:14, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, I'm seeing 120000 total pages edited too. You're the first one to notice, but I'm guessing this happens for most/all of users. Looks like my hope that our [[HRWiki talk:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4|problems since upgrading]] were all fixed has been dashed.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:29, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
::Thing is, this didn't happen at the same time as any of the changes (at least not that I know of). Although, the most obvious culprit is the time zone change, but the problem didn't occur until a while after that happened.
::I just noticed that the total pages edited field is always 40000*days - so if you select 6 hours (0.25 days), it shows 10000. I'd like to know where that figure comes from... but I'd need file and database access to verify, and that would probably be a little too much to ask :) --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pidgeot|(e)]] 23:39, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:I've just seen it as well. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 16:36, 20 April 2005 (BST)
:Same here -- <tt>Posted by: [[User:-erson|-erson]] [[User talk:-erson|Talk]]</tt> 23:41, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:This happened to me too. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 16:20, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
::Pidgeot, if you have any specific queries you need me to run, just ask. I'm all about getting to the bottom of this.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:16, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:::I'm afraid I need to examine things close up for me to try and determine anything - I have a number of ideas, but testing any of them is an extensive process, and it would be much easier to do this myself.
:::Could you possibly supply me with a MySQL database dump and a copy of your MediaWiki installation (in case you have files that for some reason are different from a standard MediaWiki 1.4 installation), so I can work on it remotely? I can supply you with a variety of methods of getting the files to me - FTP, a GMail account to send to, etc. (You can e-mail me if you want to discuss it more privately - just click the (e) in my sig.) --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pidgeot|(e)]] 17:20, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::Heh, I just tried that (e), but it looks like our User email function isn't working for some reason. The link in the toolbox doesn't show up on user pages either. Anyway, send me an email at [mailto:tom@hrwiki.org tom@hrwiki.org] and we'll talk. Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:07, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::::Fixed, thanks to Pidgeot's help. For more information, see [http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1778 MediaWiki bug 1778].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:16, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Refactoring the Main Page ==

How would people feel about having the main page refactored to be more like Wikipedia? I think we've got enough content that we could highlight a different article each week and keep a rolling "did you know" list. I also like Wikipedia's category links at the top of the main page. What does everyone think? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 22:30, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:I suggested this too up in "Article of the Day?" on this page. I fully support it.

::I don't think out category system is set up to be navigated like Wikipedia's is. Additionally, running the "Article of the whatever" would be a full-time job. We'd also need someone to come up with a system. The idea sounds nice, but how would you do it? Remember, the english language Wikipedia has 550 times as many legitimate content articles and 165 times as many registered users as we do.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:22, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::You're right. I don't think we have enough content to run an article of the day, but I wouldn't mind being in charge of a weekly or monthly featured article. It might be nice to set up a page where users could nominate articles to be featured, just to give me ideas. I also wouldn't mind scouting the wiki for strange facts to post in a "did you know" section. In fact, I think that would be fun. In short, I'm willing to do it if people want to see it done. In regard to categories, we could simply use our current [[Toons]], [[Strong Bad Email]], etc. pages instead of pointing to the categories themselves. An "in the news" section (though probably called something else) would also be useful for a quick glance at the most recent toons/emails.

:::As a corollary to this, we would probably want to move specifically wiki-related content off the front page and onto some sort of community portal page. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:14, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::I've created a [[User:JoeyDay/Main Page Mock-up|mock-up]] of my main page idea. Not much different from Wikipedia's main page, but I figure what works for them should work just as well for us. I would of course build a bunch of templates to include most of the content. This is just a start. I don't want to spend too much more time on it unless more people want to see it happen. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:13, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::I'm fully for this new Main Page. It looks great! I think we will be able to have a new article everyweek and everything. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 01:22, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Although the new features are cool, I don't like how it makes the original list of pages less accessable. Much less accessable. -- [[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 01:52, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::I don't like the "Browse" or any of that other stuff on there- one reason I really like this wiki is because it's so simple. Browse and all that other stuff make it sort of confusing. To me, anyways. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

:::The mock up looks nice, but there are still some things I don't think we need. You solved my category issue very well, but like Firebird mentioned, those links in the "Browse" line there are a bit cumbersome, and I can't actually picture someone using them. I think they work for Wikipedia simply because Wikipedia has a lot of subjects. We don't. How would our [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Browse|Browse]] page look?
:::Joshua makes another good point. Quite a few of the article links were left out. This might be because they would end up somewhere else in the new system, but I like having links for things like [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]] on there.
:::Now that I've seen more of the proposal, I'm liking the idea of featured something of the something, and the idea of a "What's new" section on the front page, but I'm not feeling good about the "Did you know?" section. That would be a job and a half for someone to manage.
:::Oh, I noticed for Wikipedia's "anyone can edit" link you went to our :About page. I kind of like the newer [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Introduction|Introduction guide]] that Wikipedia set up back in December. I'd be willing to set that up for us.
:::Oh, and the portal is a great idea too.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:32, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I have laid out a preliminary Categorization scheme on my [[User:Drhaggis|User Page]] for use in the new main page navigation This represents all of the top-level categories. Comments are welcome. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 17:02, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::I've also created a [[User:Tom/Introduction Mock-up|Introduction mock-up]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:35, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::Looks great Tom. Are we getting a community portal? It would be a great non-forum way to discuss the Wiki. If so it should be called "Meet-up at the Stick" or some such thing [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 17:44, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::I think we're seriously considering it, as Joey mentioned it in his mock up and discussion as well. "Meet-up at The Stick" sounds like the right name for it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:49, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::Call me stupid, but I'm not exactly sure what a community portal is. Can anyone explain it to me? →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

:::::Wikipdia has their [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Community Portal|Commnuity Portal]] you could check out. Basically, they don't have a forum and use the wiki itself for discusion of wiki-related topics.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:57, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::Wow, man! Both mock-ups are fantastic! I really hope that they'll be used. [[User:señor|»ßenit, known as señor«]]

==Interviews/Presentations==

Since we're now starting to make pages for genuine interviews of, and presentations by [[TBC]], what about actually putting them somewhere, besides just 'sightings'. I figure that since they're put out BY [[TBC]], and not more or less fanstuff, they should get their own section linked to from the main page, under Wiki Stuff, maybe as 'Interviews' or something, and then as such, sort out all the websites we have with transcrips of interviews and stuff, and transcribe them, maybe put a few fun facts in there, ect, make them all genuine pages. I think it would really add to the usefulness of the Wiki. Any ideas? If the sysops ('''EDIT:''' Hey, That's Me!) are up to adding to the main page, I volunteer to personally spearhead, to an extent, (I'll have much more spare time as of May the 1st), this undertaking, along with transcribing, ect. Plus many of the interviews are already transcribed on the pages we're linked to, our transcriptions could just edit for typos, maybe censor a word or two, but be useful incase these pages are ever shut down, the interviews lost forever. Okay, any comments/suggestions? ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'' 01:08, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Sounds good to me.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:16, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==Signatures==

The signatures look like crap now thanks to 1.4.0

i spent a whole day trying to reformat me signature

then finally i got it.

it is so annoying though but if you want a cool signature like this one :[[User:pertmywert|pertmywert]][[User talk:pertmywert|talk]] copy this:<nowiki>pertmywert]][[User talk:pertmywert|talk</nowiki>

Just replace my name bit's and put in your name

:Actually, 1.4 handles signatures better than previous versions. You just need to make sure your preferences are set correctly.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:23, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I think my Sig is pretty cool... ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'' 22:25, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:I can't see your arrows any more. Is this a font problem or what? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 22:28, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

What? My Arrows? My precious little arrows? I can still see them. Keep on Arrowing, my Arrowies. Seriously though, can you not see them? If not, does anyone have any ideas why? I like my arrows. ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'' 22:42, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:In order to see the arrows, you must have Japanese fonts installed. These can be installed through the Control Panel. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 13:49, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::You're so smart. Yay for Pidgeot! →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

:::Yup, I can see them on my laptop which has Japanese fonts installed. Cool. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 00:47, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::Sweet, kinda like a special little easter egg only if you have the right font. Btw, here's another 'easter egg', just finished it today, and it'll only work on my sig starting now. Try clicking on the two arrows individually... ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|?]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|?]]</tt>'' 04:57, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::::Cute addition. You should have some sort of.... arrow... rap. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 05:24, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::::"Arrows in the front, arrows in the back, get down get down, offa that [[secret recipies|smoke stack!]]." Hows that? ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|?]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|?]]</tt>'' 05:29, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==Borders==
So it's not that big of a deal or anything, but I think thin black borders around the current logo would look awesome. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''
:Yeah, you might have something there. Here's what they might like:
::[http://img2.echo.cx/img2/5051/req69bg.png Medium]
::[http://img2.echo.cx/img2/6681/req77er.png Thick]
::[http://img2.echo.cx/img2/6194/req83kw.png Thin]
:Especially with Homestar himself having a black border. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

::You can tweak the CSS all you want. Maybe a little <tt>#p-logo{border:thin solid black;}</tt>?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:11, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::([[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]])

::::Oh no no no, that's not what I meant at all. Please do not edit that. I was talking about FireBird's personal CSS at "User:FireBird/monobook.css".[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:45, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::Wow, I didn't know you could do that.....! [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]] 23:37, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

== Back Links ==

I was just wondering, does anyone else think it'd be a good idea to have little links at the top and/or bottom of pages that return to the main page that links to it? For example, [[flashback]] would have a link at the top that would say something like "Back to [[Strong Bad Email]]" (maybe with some cool border around it). I think it'd make browsing around the site easier. For me, anyway. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]] 22:41, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
Back to [[Strong Bad Email]]> 
it could maybe look like that

:I think a link to the page would do just fine instead of a template and all that. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

::I love the idea of the link back, but I think the border is a little much. ~ [[User:señor|»ßenit, known as señor«]]

:::K, screw the template. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

::::This sounds like a good idea, but isn't it already half done? There's a link to [[Strong Bad Email]] in [[:Template:Strong Bad Email]]. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 15:45, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::It's also in the navigation bar on the left side of the screen. And there's the browser back button. Plus many pages link from more than one place. Unfeasable, and unneeded, in my opinion. ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|?]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|?]]</tt>'' 01:55, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::::::Note, I just deleted that template and copied the style span here. The only thing I added was the closing span tag.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:58, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::Well, about the browser back button, many times I click on the discussion page, maybe click edit, then maybe article again so when I want to go back I end up hitting back 3-4 times. Otherwise, do you think we should make those sbemail templates for other things like toons, too? [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

== Unused images ==

I've just been looking at the [[Special:Unusedimages|unused image list]], and it suprises me just how many there are. Some are not needed anymore (to pick at random, "sketchbook serpented.PNG" is a good example), while some appear to be for personal use, but never used on the wiki itself (see images 90 to 102, and others). Should somebody delete some of these, or at least put them on their respective pages? (providing they are not redundant or personal) --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 16:29, 3 May 2005 (BST)

== Interwiki Links ==

I think the [[HR:|interwiki links]] are ugly in the default stylesheet. I'd like to change them to look identical to [http://www.homestarrunner.com external links], but I'm not sure that would be the best way to do things. Anyone else have ideas? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:51, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

:I like them how they are. Light blue without the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Talk:Main_Page#Interwiki_Links tiny arrow] is interwiki, and with the arrow is external. Dark blue is internal. It always made sense to me. It's also the standard on Wikipedia and every other MediaWiki site that I can recall. If people really don't like it, they can always adjust their personal CSS in their user page.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:31, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::Actually, now that I'm thinking straight, the interwiki links I was looking at were ''visited'' interwiki links. I don't like that particular shade of blue. I guess I'll go change my own stylesheet. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 04:25, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Heh, you just visit too many interwiki links then. Hmm. That's c00. Oops, I mean, that's 00c. Er, that's cool.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:55, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::::Actually, now that I've examined the stylesheet, there really wasn't a difference between visited or unvisited interwiki links. It really was a dirty looking shade of blue. I've changed the global stylesheet so that interwiki links and external links are the same color. I won't add the arrow to interwiki links though, even though I'd like to since they are technically still outgoing links. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:11, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

== Strong Bad Email link in navigation box ==

Does anyone actually use the Strong Bad Email link in the navigation box to the left? If enough people use it, I suppose we should leave it there, but I'm starting to think it's a little silly. If we link to Strong Bad Email from the sidebar, why don't we link to Toons, Games, Characters, etc. from the sidebar? Where do we draw the line? What makes Strong Bad Email so much more important than other pages? Just a thought. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:35, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

:I think it is a very busy link. As much as we like to remain NPOV, Strong Bad Emails are quite the popular feature of homestarrunner.com. The Brothers Chaps seem to acknowledge this in their focus on the emails, and perhaps the fact that they are so often updated is another reason to keep it. I don't know what others think, but I think the link can stay.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:40, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::Same here. ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|?]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|?]]</tt>'' 01:56, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

::I use it a lot. I think we should put it below "H*R.com updates" though. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 05:56, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Done. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:12, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

== Something's Up... ==

Hey, has this been popping up for anybody else?

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a bug in the
software. The last attempted database query was: (SQL query hidden) from
within function "MediaWikiBagOStuff:_doquery". MySQL returned error "1062:
Duplicate entry 'hrwiki_mwiki:messages:Sitenotice' for key 1 (localhost)".

I'm sure it's a MediaWiki glitch, but I wanted to see if anyone else is having this problem. If an admin could help out, it would be greatly apreciated. Thanks! --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 20:38, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

:I've gotten this too. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

::I've seen it several times, too. Perhaps we should sic [[User:Tom|Tom]] and [[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] on it. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:44, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

:::I wish I were as smart as them. They're like, amazing. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

::::It's all a matter of learning by doing. Go get Apache, PHP (zipped version, NOT installer), MySQL and PHPMyAdmin, set them up on a Windows machine (mostly automatic), and start playing around. Find someone who already knows about these things, so you have someone to turn to when things don't go your way. Then write a small program of some sort. It could be anything - for me, my first PHP program was a POKéMON management system that kept track on your POKéMON and their training, whilst calculating various things about them, but that's probably too high a starting point for most people. ^_^ --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:25, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

It just happened to me again. It wasn't too bad a while ago, but now, it's becoming more frequent. To reiterate: Something's up... --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 20:53, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

:Same here, I just got two in as many minutes. The only thing I recognize in there is the [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice|site notice]], but I don't think that helps here. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 22:18, 6 May 2005 (BST)

::I've gotten it too a couple of times. Never really thought too much about it. I've done a few database queries and [[Wikipedia:grep]]s on the MediaWiki software, but I haven't found anything.
::I may need a new database dump if I'm to make an indepth analysis and find out what's wrong - the error didn't occur until after I got my copy, so if it's database-related, I wouldn't have the error here. However, I've got an idea as to what it might be, so if Tom'd be so kind as to run a single query on the database for me, and tell me the result, I might be able to find the solution that way.
::The query that needs to be run is <tt>SELECT * FROM cur WHERE cur_title LIKE '%sitenotice'</tt>. Since the error is periodic, rather than permanent, it probably won't return a useful result, but it's worth a shot.
::Oh, if anyone has seen the error WITHOUT the query hidden (can sysops do that? Or maybe Tom?), it would help me immensly if you could tell me what the query is. That way, I can see what exactly is causing the error, and locate the PHP file sending that query to MySQL. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:25, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
:::Actually, scratch that. I think I has the solution!
:::I need a sysop to go to [[MediaWiki:Sitenotice]] and put a single dash (-) as the article text - similar to what they have at [[Wikipedia:MediaWiki:Sitenotice]]. Appearantly, there's an issue somewhere that causes odd behavior when it's blank, but the dash will work as if it were blank.
:::With a little luck, that should do the trick. I haven't gone in-depth with the issue, though, I just remembered reading somewhere that it should be a dash instead of blanked. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:30, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

::::Done. I did notice that this started to happen after I blanked the sitenotice. Let's see if the dash fixes it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:37, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::See, this is the problem with periodic errors - they don't appear when you want them to. :P (Oh, I edited my above post slightly - it's such an obvious quote that I '''had''' to use it :)) --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:51, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

Arg. I got the error again just now when trying to save changes to [[MediaWiki:Monobook.css]].

A database query syntax error has occurred. This may indicate a
bug in the software. The last attempted database query was:
(SQL query hidden)
from within function "MediaWikiBagOStuff:_doquery". MySQL
returned error "1062: Duplicate entry 'hrwiki_mwiki:messages'
for key 1 (localhost)".

Does this mean there's corruption in another db record? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:40, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
:Well, it's not the same error message, so the problem is elsewhere in the database (the fix might be the same, though). I suggest you keep a lookout for whether or not it appears again, since it COULD be an isolated incident.
:I'm slightly puzzled with the error returned by this one, since it seems to suggest that there's a problem with a '''namespace'''... but I might be wrong there. I'll take a quick peek at my dump and see if I can come up with anything.
:BTW, if it's possible, it would be nice if you could enable display of these queries, at least for sysops (such as yourself). This would help a lot with finding the error quickly. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 21:12, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
:Added 21:29, 13 May 2005 (UTC): The only thing that comes to mind is if the article/message has no title. I did actually find two of these in my dump - shown by the query <code><nowiki>SELECT * FROM cur WHERE cur_title=''</nowiki></code> - but neither of these are in the namespace suggested by the error message. -- [[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike>

== More interwiki links? ==

I've been thinking lately it would be nice if we set up Videlectrix, Thorax Corp, and Mellow Mushroom as sister sites. This would make it possible for us to create interwiki links to them in the same way we currently link to Homestar Runner. If I set these up, how should I do the links? I was thinking "Videlectrix" for Videlectrix, "Thorax" for Thorax Corp., and "Mushroom" for Mellow Mushroom.

And speaking of Mellow Mushroom, does anyone else think we should be transcribing those toons as well? I know we are only a Homestar Runner knowledge-base, but Mellow Mushroom is a big part of TBC lore. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 22:39, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, I wondered if we were going to do that on [[HRWiki talk:Projects]]. It's a good idea (I mean, if we link to Wikipedia we should link to those). And, we might as well do MM transcripts.....
:Oh yeah and maybe an interwiki link to the H*R store, too. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]] 03:10, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

:And we should also have interwiki links to the forum, I guess. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 07:48, 10 May 2005 (UTC)

::[[Mellow Mushroom]] transcripts and articles have been nixed on the respective [[Talk:Mellow Mushroom|talk page]] for a long time. The toons are not written by The Brothers Chaps, they simply did the animation. I do not think we need an interwiki link for that either. Videlectrix and Thorax seem alright though.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:48, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

I've added the [[HRStore:|Homestar Runner store]], [[Videlectrix:|Videlectrix]], and [[Thorax:|Thorax Corp.]] to our interwiki links. I've also styled them for standards-compliant browser users. We should start changing links to these three places all over the wiki. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:49, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

== Thousand ==

One thousandth article. That's pretty cool. I should probably celebrate... oh! I know! article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article, article... forget it. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 02:15, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

:The ten millionth page view and 100,000th edit are coming soon[[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]
:page view, page view, page view, page view, page view, page view, page view, page view...

== New blockquote style... ==

I've created a new default style for blockquotes.

<blockquote>This is a quoted block of text. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetuer adipiscing elit. Vivamus vestibulum. Quisque adipiscing. Proin bibendum justo eu nunc. Nam pulvinar, ligula vel accumsan vestibulum, wisi sem vehicula leo, vitae condimentum nisl erat vitae nisl. Vivamus lacinia, est in rhoncus lacinia, enim magna tristique sapien, nec suscipit lorem magna at tortor. Pellentesque iaculis diam vel elit. Nunc a felis vel odio fringilla sollicitudin. Nullam et ipsum. Pellentesque porta nisl in justo. Pellentesque malesuada lacus sed elit. Vestibulum rutrum mi et mauris. Praesent sit amet quam. Phasellus rhoncus ipsum et mi egestas sagittis. Maecenas vel massa id lectus commodo faucibus. Integer varius blandit quam. Etiam dapibus mi nec nunc. Pellentesque eu felis quis ante rhoncus porta.

Donec pulvinar. Duis malesuada leo tempor mi. In orci odio, dictum varius, porttitor sit amet, accumsan ac, turpis. Integer tincidunt, dolor vel consequat vulputate, turpis quam bibendum odio, blandit lobortis nunc dui sit amet arcu. Mauris euismod libero sed leo. Mauris luctus risus sit amet justo. Class aptent taciti sociosqu ad litora torquent per conubia nostra, per inceptos hymenaeos. In vel libero in leo ullamcorper luctus. Integer ante nibh, lobortis in, fermentum eu, aliquet ac, ante. Etiam ornare. Mauris eleifend. Cras vel massa. Phasellus erat lacus, auctor vel, aliquam et, ullamcorper eget, urna. Praesent vestibulum lacinia odio. In nec dui ac mi sodales facilisis. Nunc laoreet turpis et tellus.</blockquote>

Only problem now is you have to put in your own <code>p</code> and <code>br</code> tags. Is there any way to do a blockquote with wiki formatting? What does everyone think of the style? (If you aren't seeing it, try Ctrl-F5 to do a hard refresh.) — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 21:06, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

:What about something more to differentiate, such as a blue line on the left side, or what would be really cool, a giant ' { ' to stretch from the top to the bottom along the left side. I think it needs something easily noticible, probably different colored. '''EDIT:''' My bad, looks like it's got the blue line now. I still think the stretching '{' would be pretty cool though... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 22:27, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
::A stretching "{" would be very hard to do. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]
::Otherwise, you can put it in the css as like heading 5 so it's like <nowiki>"======Blockquote Text======"</nowiki>, but I don't know if you'd want to do that. [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

:::Yeah, the blue line was there from the start. Those of you who aren't seeing it should try a hard refresh (Ctrl+F5). — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 14:43, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

::Is that a idea of what to repace ''{stuff like this}'' with? If so, I don't like it as much. Sorry. -- '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]''''' 15:53, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

:::I think some of you might be utterly confused. A <code>blockquote</code> is used for quoting large blocks of text. It won't be used as header level 5 or to replace curly braces. It will be used instead of <code>pre</code> when quoting things like emails. See [[Talk:Penguin Brothers Interview - 26 May 2003]] for a good example of what I'm talking about. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:20, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

==kitkorp==

[http://homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/ kitkorp sub-page dealie]

<strike>Shouldn't we have some kinda page for this? What exactly is this, is this another 'museum' type thing the brothers chaps made for inquisitive folks like us? Shouldn't we have some kind of guiding walkthrough or something for this page? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:07, 20 May 2005 (UTC)</strike>

:Ah, I see. Fansite mirror of entire website with bonus old data. Gotcha. Clever. Never mind... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:42, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

== suggestion for front page ==

I think the front page here would greatly benefit from having a box with the 5 or so most recent updates from the [[H*R.com updates]] page. I hate when I come here to see what's new on hr.com and I have to click links, instead of just seeing. what do you think?

:1. Please sign your posts, by typing <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> after them. 2. It is a good idea, and we've been working on incorperating it into a new main page. It's been under some discussion [[User_talk:JoeyDay/Main_Page_Mock-up#What.27s_new|here]]. Welcome to the wiki. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:20, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

::Speaking of main page changes, I think the [[User:JoeyDay/Main_Page_Mock-up|new main page layout]] is ready to go live sometime this week. I'd really appreciate some last-minute feedback on the [[User talk:JoeyDay/Main Page Mock-up|talk page]]. Most notably, we need [[HRWiki:Featured article nominations|nominations for featured articles]]. Thanks. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 03:41, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

*Joey Day you rock! THe Main Page looks Shuper Shweet! [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 19:01, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

== The New Main Page ==
Let me be the first to thank [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] for all of his hard work in getting this new main page up and running. Suggestions to make this page better? Questions/Comments? Post 'em here! {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:50, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

:I think the new Main Page is hawt. However, I'm not a fan of the small-caps in the "Browse the Knowledge-Base" section. It works fine for the sub-headings (e.g. "Features", "Weeklies"), but not so much for the links themselves. IMHO. Anyway, great work Joey. — [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 18:53, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

::I kindof like the small-caps for all the nav items, but I wouldn't be opposed to making the "browse" section normal-caps if enough people really want it. So, what say ye? Anyone else not like the small-caps in the browse section? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:14, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

::I would like it normal- as in, capitalize the first letter of the word. It makes it look a bit cluttered and stuffed like it is now. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 21:07, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

:I personally think that the new [[Main Page]] is awesome. I like how you can post a pic from the newest toon/game!! --[[User:kerrek slaya|kerrek slaya]] 19:03, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

:I like it. Great jorb! --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]|[[User talk:acekirby13|My Talk]] 19:39, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

:WOW surprised me that this design is finally up. Good job! [[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

:I am dissapointed mainly because now there is no link to STUFF. Personally, I think STUFF should be added to the navigation bar/ [[User:TakuaKaita600|TK600]] 22:16, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah, where's the quick links to STUFF, Sightings, WikiTroll and the like? Other than that, I like it. -- '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]''''' 00:57, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Wikitroll and STUFF can be found at [[HRWiki:The Stick|The Stick]]. I think Sightings can fit somewhere on the Main Page. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 03:01, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

::::Sightings is still on the main page. It's in the "Miscellany" section (it's been there since the new layout went live). STUFF and WikiTroll are linked to from The Stick. In fact, I just added a Quick Menu box to The Stick to facilitate easier navigation. The main reason for moving those links is that the Main Page is the pretty face we present to visitors and users. It should really only contain links to the actual content of the knowledge-base. With the creation of The Stick, we finally have a separate place to move maintenance type links out of the way. Does this make sense? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:14, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

:I think that maybe the text should be smaller...I opened it up and was like, "Who set the text size so big?" But then I checked the navigation bar and saw it was normal. But anyway, I think it's awesome! It's like Wikipedia. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 03:05, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

::The reason it looks so big is because every word is capitalized, just the first word is bigger. In my opinion, it would look better normal, but it doesn't really matter either way.{{User:FireBird/sig}} 03:10, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

:::The "welcome" message is actually in a larger font. Everything else is normal. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:14, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

== What The... ==

What the crap happened to the main page? Who edited it?? -Kinsey

:JoeyDay updated it, Kinsey. You can check the status by clicking [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&action=history here]. JoeyDay does awesome work. --[[User:The Paper|The Paper]] 21:36, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

I gotta be honest, I don't like it. I guess it takes getting used to. But who asked me? -Alice

== What's New? ==

Shouldn't any user be allowed to edit that section? I propose that we make that section a template and link to the template from the main page. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 19:03, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

*Agreed. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 19:05, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

::Er... [[Template:whatsnew|it is a template]]. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 19:06, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

== Low Bandwith? ==
I remember on 5/28 to 6/1 or something close that the bandwidth was down. Why? Too many viewers?-user, not signed in.

:Yes, essentially, too many visitors. We use an incredible amount of bandwidth here and it just keeps growing. We were lucky that we didn't pass the limit until close to the end of the month. The best solution to the bandwidth problems is to [[HRWiki:Donations|help us pay our hosting costs]]. — [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 13:48, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::Same thing happened last month for two hours or so.[[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

:::Happened to me, too
: No need to point that out - it happened to EVERYBODY between those dates. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 15:42, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps HRWIKI has other reasons to use them or is getting a better deal, but the transfer limits on Goleman's $50 plan (as per their products page) seems to be low. Could this be addressed with Goleman Networks without additional funding? — ''gsw''

:I'm not sure what you're looking at, because there isn't a $50 plan on Goleman Networks' product page, but you're right. The numbers on that page are pretty low. Fortunately, Mr. Goleman is a good friend of mine and he's giving us an awesome deal: 150 GB per month at $50 per month — and it's still not enough! — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:47, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
::Unless you can get Mr. Goleman to give you a better deal, maybe you should try switching the default skin to a less bandwidth-intensive layout, such as Standard or CologneBlue. If users would rather have Monobook, they can just register and change their preferences. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] <strike>(e)</strike> 16:56, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)
:Sorry, I meant Products->Hosting, which shows a 5 GB limit. Sounds like you've got it covered, though. 'Nuff said. — ''gsw''

== *Tink* easter egg ==

Well, i found something that isn't useful, but is a bit unusual. In the main menu 4, (the bowling one) if you roll your mouse over the games sign 1 time, it will leave 2 pins standing. If you do it again, it produces a *tink* sound.

:Hmmmmm... Well... Ummm.... Wow. Just... Wow. Actually, it's already been meantioned [[Main Page 4|here]]. This is more the place for discussions about the Wiki Main Page, or the Wiki as a whole. This comment probably would have been best directed [[Talk:Main Page 4|here]]. We do appreciate the input and watchfullness though, just try and direct most comments to their respective talk pages. And welcome to the wiki. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:09, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Possible Troll? ==

Call me crazy, but I not only clicked on the new email rap link, I checked it against the website. As of this moment, the email rap is still the same as it was. Is somebody trolling? --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 14:51, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:No, this is valid. The scroll buttons rap has been changed. Hit refresh, or something. Your browser is probably being stupid. --[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 14:55, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Wiki interview ==
As of now we are the biggest Homestar Runner fan-site. We have everything, everyone and every-toon cataloged and transcribed in their own page. But still, there are so much we don't know for sure, like:
*Is [[Stickly Man]] realy [[The Poopsmith]]?
*Is [[Homsar]] [[The Bossman]]?
*Who is the [[Unnamed Characters|Unnamed Girl]]?
*Or [[The Unguraits]]?
*Did a certain character realy refered to a certain thing in pop-colture/game/other toon when he said/did something?
*Did a character realy said this, or that?
*Is [[Creepy Comb-Over Strong Bad]] realy [[Senor Cardgage]]?
*What was TBC's real part in [[Mellow Mushroom]]?
*What was the deal with [[Puppet Jam: Mission Control]]? Was it an actual puppet thing they had on the site and removed? Or was it just a joke?
*And so on.

If we want to answer these questions and others, I think we sould ask for an intrview fron the brothers Chaps and ask them those questions so we can stop arguing over this silly things. [[User:E.L. Cool|E.L. Cool]] 12:20, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:I've always wondered why they labled one of the [[Floppy Disk Container]]s 'Hypou Blade' instead of 'Hyper Blade'. Among other things... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 02:07, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::So let's make a list of questions to TBC and just ask them! [[User:E.L. Cool|E.L. Cool]] 04:41, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::Well sure, you can always email them and try your hand at getting a reply. Beyond that though... Don't know if there's much you can do to ENSURE a reply. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:34, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::::Its worth a shot, sure. I think if people have any particularly pressing comments they should add them to the list above..However I would be cautious; more likely than not TBC left some of these minor details ambiguous, and probably don't really think that they are big enough points to merit an "interview"...However, without my pessimist side showing I think its a good idea! -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]]

::::Hmmm.. I ''would'' try my hand at this but English is not my primary language. It takes me like, 5 minutes to write this thing here. If it was Hebrew on the other hand... :) [[User:E.L. Cool|E.L. Cool]] 06:07, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==Internet==
<blockquote>We're currently working on # articles about our favorite internet cartoon.</blockquote>
should be
<blockquote>We're currently working on # articles about our favorite Internet cartoon.</blockquote>

Confused? Read [http://www.answers.com/internet&r=67 this]. --'''[[User:porplemontage|Steve]]''' (''[[User talk:porplemontage|talk]]'') 23:12, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Fixed.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:31, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==MediaWiki 1.5==

Will the H*R Wiki and the H*R Fanstuff Wiki be upgrading to [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.5 MediaWiki 1.5]?

While I'm here, I'll just outline some of the new features of 1.5:
*Able to edit the [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/MediaWiki:Sidebar sidebar] a whole lot easier
*Random [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Randompage/Image images], [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Randompage/Category categories], [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Randompage/User user pages], etc.
*Quickly [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Log/move revert moved pages] (for sysops)
*New image uploads only generate one entry in [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Recentchanges Recent Changes] instead of two
*Page moves are logged in [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php?title=Stupidpage&action=history Page History]
*You can choose what name Images [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Upload upload as]
*Possible to choose the namespace in [http://test.leuksman.com/index.php/Special:Recentchanges Recent Changes]
*A new Print tab

The [[Wikipedia:Main Page|English Wikipedia]] has already upgraded. -- [[User:Super Sam|Super Sam]] 13:30, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:I'd suggest waiting a bit. MW 1.5 is still beta, and they keep discovering new and exciting bugs each time they upgrade a different Wikipedia. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 13:45, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Ab Abber 2000

Cyrius — Thu, 16 Jun 2005 14:11:58 GMT

Cyrius: #REDIRECT Ab-Abber 2000

#REDIRECT [[Ab-Abber 2000]]

HRWiki:Old STUFF

Cyrius — Wed, 08 Jun 2005 05:55:02 GMT

Cyrius: /* You said doyng again! */

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Shortcut: [[HRWiki:STUFF]]</div>The situation with fun facts was getting a bit out of hand, especially with the [[Strong Bad Email]] [[virus]]. People often add fun facts that most people just don't think are fun or factual. So, we have set up this page where you can '''S'''elect '''T'''he '''U'''sable '''F'''un '''F'''acts (STUFF).

Here's how it works. First off, you ''can'' still add a fun fact to the page directly. If somebody doesn't like it, though, it will probably be STUFF'D!, that is, moved to this list. If you think there is even a small bit of doubt as to whether or not everybody would agree it's fun and/or factual, it should probably be added directly to this page instead. ''This will not be necessary for every page, only those that would otherwise likely be cluttered with fun facts. This applies mostly to pages reflecting new Homestar Runner content, for instance, the page for the latest Strong Bad Email.''

Check out [[HRWiki:Select The Usable Fun Facts Archive|The Archives]] and the [[HRWiki:over STUFF'd|over STUFF'd page]] for old fun facts that have moved on from this page.

Things that always make good fun facts:
* References to other toons or e-mails that will be obvious to longtime users but not to newcomers
* References to pop culture (but not those that are so obvious that ''everybody'' will recognize them; everybody knows that Ronald McDonald is the clown mascot of McDonald's, for instance)
* ''Verified'' tidbits about the creation of the toon or e-mail (for example, "Mike, not Matt, provided the voice of Strong Sad saying 'Douglas'")

Things that often do not make good fun facts:
* Speculation ("This scene may be a reference to a vaguely similar scene in ''The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy''...")
* Glitches due to the Flash software (unless the glitch may have a very amusing and relevant anecdote to go with it)
* Things already noted in the transcript
* Things that anybody can figure out by watching the toon or reading the transcript
* Things that become easily dated. ("Other then those past two times, this is one of the few times that ____ happens")

Things that always make good fun facts can just be added directly to the appropriate page without going through the approval process. However, be careful with references: if it isn't ''necessarily'' true that the table turning into a black and red grid is a reference to [[StrongBadZone]], then you should probably post it here instead.

When something is posted here, you can vote on it. You should be logged in and sign your vote; anonymous votes do not count because it is easy for a single user to cast multiple votes. Signing your post with the name of another user in the hopes that it won't be noticed will definitely not be tolerated. This only applies to votes: fun facts may be proposed by any user and do not have to be signed (in fact, it is probably better not to sign them).

If the admins like a fun fact, they will immediately move it to the appropriate page as needed (regardless of votes). If they don't, they will wait a while until the fun fact has accumulated enough votes or a convincing argument is made.

If (and only if) you think a page needs this process, add <tt><nowiki>{{funfacts}}</nowiki></tt> directly under the <tt>== Fun Facts ==</tt> heading, then add the appropriate heading to this page. If the list is very long, you may want to add a <tt><nowiki>{{funfacts2}}</nowiki></tt> footer to the end of the list as well.
[[Category:HRWiki Maintenance]]
== Voting ==
New votes cast should generally be as follows:
* '''Accept.''' To accept a fun fact as-is, or possibly with very minor changes.
* '''Revise.''' The fun fact needs minor editing. Explain what needs to be changed (unless seconding another person's revise vote).
* '''Rewrite.''' The fun fact needs major changes. Explain what needs to be changed, and provide an example version. ''When an example is provided, it may be voted on independently. If somebody responds to a "rewrite" vote with "rewrite" as well, it will be taken to mean that the rewrite itself needs to be rewritten.''
* '''Decline.''' Reject the fun fact completely. Please keep in mind not everything is on this page simply to be Declined.
* '''Second.''' Write this as a sub-item to somebody else's vote when you want to make it clear that you agree not only with the person's vote, but his reasoning. (Don't respond to a "second" with a "third"; just make another "second" alongside the first one.)

The terms '''delete''' and '''keep''' are now discouraged because they convey the wrong idea: we will be voting mostly on whether to accept new fun facts, rather than on whether to retain existing ones.

'''Remember:''' you must be logged in to vote. If you don't have an account, [[Special:Userlogin|create one]]. It won't bite you.

You must sign the listing or vote added after your comment with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). If you don't, your vote will not be counted.

== To be done ==

* How to distinguish between an approved fun fact and a directly-added fun fact on a page. Users would not be allowed to try and pass off their fun facts as approved if they weren't. ([[User:furrykef|furrykef]]'s current idea: tag each approved fun fact with a small star icon or other appropriate image.)
* Where, exactly, rejected fun facts and their recorded votes should go (probably on a subpage here)
**Right now they are in [[HRWiki:Select The Usable Fun Facts Archive]]
**Or they're being moved to the talk pages for the e-mails/toons in question. We're not sure yet.

== Toons and E-mails ==
===[[boring (really)]]===
====Are these really goofs? part 1====
You can still click on The Paper, the "back" link on the Lappy 486, and the Easter Egg words even when the screen fades to black temporarily.
*'''Decline.''' Uninteresting, and I don't think it was a mistake on TBC's part. The links don't disappear in Flash just because you're changing colors. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:20, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 18:21, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' I think it's less of a goof, and more of a "why should TBC care if it does that?" <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 19:45, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' [[User:silverwing99|silverwing99]] 21:00, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second''' -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 01:03, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Weak Accept.''' It wasn't listed as a Goof last I saw. I think it's okay under the heading "Strong Bad's List of Words" or "Remarks" but not under "Goofs." I don't feel too strongly either way about this one. I don't think it'd hurt to have it around, but it wouldn't break my heart to see it gone. --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 00:31, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

====Are these really goofs? part 2====
The "back" link in the far lower left corner is still there after the Lappy 486 fades back in.
<div style="color:#555">''This fact was removed from the goofs section. If you vote to accept it, be sure to indicate whether you consider it a true goof or just a remark.''</div>
*'''Decline.''' It was probably more trouble to make it completely disappear than to just make it transparent. Possibly a remark, but not a goof. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:20, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 18:21, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept''' I disagree. They could have completely removed it (the other "Back" button is still there) so this should be noted. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:33, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**Do you mean as a remark or a goof? A remark I could go for, but I don't think it qualifies as a bona fide goof. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:24, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*** Remark. I didn't pay close attention to your vote. Yeah, it's very questionable that this is a "Goof." --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:00, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' It's okay as a remark, but if this is noted, then the STUFF'd fact above it should be used instead. Neither one should be used as a goof though. --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 00:38, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept''' I think this is noteworthy..it surprised me. -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 01:02, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

====Are these really goofs? part 3====
If you click "try, wet, cod," and leave it up, it will still be there when the screen fades back in.
*'''Decline.''' Yeah, so? Again, if anything this is a remark, not a goof. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:20, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 18:22, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 01:04, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
***'''Third.''' OR '''Second the Second.''' --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 00:39, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

====Definitely not the hat, though====
One of Strong Bad's three letter words, "fez", is a refference to the charecter Fez from That '70s Show.
* '''Turbo-decline''' Do I even have to say anything? [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 02:08, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
* '''Decline''' In fact, I wouldn't even have wasted my time STUFFing it. Real words that have been around for centuries (if not longer) are not references to sitcoms. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:10, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
* '''Strong decline''' I already deleted it and I stand by this. It's a word. A three letter word. Any more speculation is moot. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 02:11, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
* here's a three letter word that I know... '''DECLINE!!!!!!!!!''' [[User:Pac-man|Pac-man]] 02:40, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' Or it could be a reference to Skull from the popular web comic PVP who sometimes wears a...nuts to it. This fun fact sucks. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*And prepare to experience the fury of... the '''Decline.''' When Strong Bad says wet, it might be a reference to the [[Theme Song Video]] in which Homestar dives into a pool and gets wet. Of course, it's probably not. --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 05:02, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Ain't Never Gonna Accept It Without The Fez On.''' Ummm, decline. It's obviously a [http://www.steelydan.com/lyrroyalscam.html#track5 Steely Dan] reference! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:29, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*Uh, no it isn't a "refference." It's not even a reference. '''Decline.''' --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 14:35, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''No, no, no, no, no. That is not right at all. Making this fact appear on this site is NOT what I had in mind!''' It is a three letter word. Okay? It is not a reference to That 70's Show, just as it is not a reference to Austin Powers. So I say '''DECLINE.''' --[[User:SBEmail22|SBEmail22]] 12:18, 7 Jun 2005 (EST)
* Here's something: '''SECOND WITH EVERYBODY.''' Although I haven't watched "That 70's Show", this could either be: 1, a coincidence, or, 2 as tomstiff said, another refrence. [[User:silverwing99|silverwing99]] 21:06, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**I was just being facetious about the Steely Dan reference. Sometimes a fez is just a brimless cone-shaped flat-crowned tasseled hat made of red felt worn especially by men in eastern Mediterranean countries. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 21:10, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
* '''Decline.''' Possible, but... nah. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:26, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Just delete this waste of html now!''' this is just stupid. -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 01:05, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

====«Insert hilarious joke here»====
The way Strong Bad pronounces the phrase "Her" (here) is similar to the way that rap artist Nelly pronounces the word in the song "Hot in Herre", and is possibly a reference to such.

* '''Decline''' The word "her" isn't even in the song "Hot in Herre" (google for lyrics). So, at best this "fact" is that SB pronounces the word "Her" the same way Nelly pronounces the word "Herre". Which is about as likely to be a reference as it is to the fact that SB pronounces it similar to the way my roommate pronounces the word "her". --[[User:Eytanz|Eytanz]] 09:14, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
* '''And fwom now on, people named Henwy cannot call themselves Hank; that's just too much of a stwetch. As is this Fun Fact. Decline!''' Why wasn't this deleted instead of STUFF'd? This one is so stretched, it's capable of reaching other galaxies. --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 14:56, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second - DECLAN-ATED!''' [[User:82.43.178.225|82.43.178.225]] 14:58, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

====You said doyng again!====
Strong Bad's hesitation before saying "doing" to Homestar is a reference to Homestar's commentary on the word in [[car]].
*'''Accept!''' Cute fun fact. I've always liked that "doing" thing.--[[User:MrsCommanderson|MrsCommanderson]] 20:13, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
** Maybe it's cute, and maybe you liked the "doing" thing—but does that make it a reference? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:16, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept.''' This got deleted, but I think it's a valid reference. As soon as Strong Bad said "what are you..." I immediately thought "you said doyng again!" Maybe that's just me. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 15:33, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' When Strong Bad hesitated ("What are you, ummm..."), I leaned forward with anticipation to see if he would say "doing" or "doyng", and what Homestar's response would be. I decline this because it isn't a reference; Strong Bad just hesitated because he was bored... and thats what... bored people... do. Now if Homestar said something about "doyng" in response, I would have accepted this. --[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 15:39, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' I was one of the deleters. I maybe should have been a little more explicit about why. Well, this is why. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 16:04, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' I, too, thought he might say it... and then he didn't — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:54, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' Yeah, and Homestar hesitates before saying "closing," which is OBVIOUSLY a reference to [[The House that Gave Sucky Treats]], when the door closes after you give each treat. Come on, this is a coincidence. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 15:54, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' I don't think its even a coincidence because there is no connection to this and Car other than the word "doing". At any rate this e-mail contains alot of awkward pauses so yeah, I doubt any of them were meant to be references. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 01:06, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' I'll admit, I thought he was about to make that reference there, but he didn't. --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 17:16, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept'D''' Mmm-hmm. [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 03:07, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept''' - it's not just a simple pause. Strong Bad grabs his head like he's reconsidering saying it because of the potential horrible consequences. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 05:55, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

===[[old comics]]===
====Domenico da Comma! Live at Woodstock!!====
"Discoveration of Comma" may be a reference to the urban legend of Domenico da Comma, the supposed inventor of the comma. The fact that the Poopsmith speaks only in commas may also be a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Peanuts|''Peanuts'']] cartoon strip, in which [[Wikipedia:Woodstock_(Peanuts)|Woodstock]] could only speak in chicken scratch.
*I've never heard of Domenico da Comma before - ever - so '''No Comment''' right now. As for Peanuts, while it was reverted by accident, I still think it's valid (his "chicken scratch" could also have been read as apostrophes) so '''Accept.''' --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:53, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Neutral to the first part, accept to the second''' [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*I've never heard of the first part, but to the second part, '''Accept.''' --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 04:49, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' Domenico. '''Accept''' Woodstock -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:30, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline first, accept second.''' This is easy. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 14:34, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second''' first, '''second''' second. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:57, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline first, accept second.''' Incidentally, HRWiki is the first result on Google for "Domenico da Comma," and snopes doesn't list the invention of the comma as an urban legend. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 15:46, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second''' -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 01:10, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

=== [[secret recipes]] ===

====The king eats deodorant...but what does he reference?====

The King of Town's quip about the deodorants being "strong enough for a man" is a reference to "Secret" brand deodorant ads, whose slogan used to be "Strong enough for a man, but made for a woman." It's also a reference to Imperial Margarine adverts from the 1970's, wherein the slogan was "Imperial Margarine...with flavour fit for a King!".

*Now the first one is an obvious '''Accept,''' because the Secret deodorant ads are commonly known and widely quoted. The second one I have to '''Decline,''' because I don't think that "tasty enough for a king" is close to "flavour fit for a King." --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 20:21, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:27, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**I've kind of wondered about the purpose of the '''Second''' part of that fact as well... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:32, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second''' -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 20:34, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' First fact accept, second decline, same reasons. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 20:38, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 23:58, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:58, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

=== [[rock opera]] ===
====Angled?====
The frozen pond that Dangeresque falls into in the Easter Egg may be the same pond from lures & jigs from another angle.

*'''So I'm gonna hafta DECLI- Meh!''' Come on fun fact, get off the page. Fact, fact! Whoa, I caught a BIG fact!! [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 03:02, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Today is all right for decline!''' I'm really reaching with these now, aren't I? --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 05:22, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Diggity...diggity...DECLINE.''' There's no proof here. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 05:23, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Secondaded'''. What's the use anywho? [[User:James Craven|James Craven]] 3:17 AM EDT June 6 2005.
*'''Decline.''' Just delete bad fun facts. There's no need to STUFF them. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 14:00, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
* MY MOTHER SAYS IM SPECAIL!!!...I mean '''DECLINE'''[[User:Pac-man|Pac-man]] 00:35, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*Gosh, you mean they re-use different areas from Free Country USA?! '''Decline''' [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]

====Error?====

On the newspaper clippin' of (Perhaps) The Deke's rave review, the word "of" is double-underlined, apparently by hand. Strong Bad appears to have noted that the word was not capitalized, and duly marked the error.

*'''Decline.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 14:02, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' Not only is it speculation, but it's factually inaccurate - prepositions should NEVER be capitalized in titles and slogans unless they are the first word (I've heard that you're always supposed to capitalize final words too, but I can't think of a case where an article, preposition, or conjunction - the three types of words left non-capitalized - would ever come up there.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:39, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]

===[[cheatday]]===

====Get outta here kid?====
Strong Bad saying "Get outta here kid!" to Bubs is a reference to the Thnikkaman's catch phrase "Shut up kid!"
*'''Decline''' If this fact stretches anymore it’ll snap in half. [[User:The Pardack|The Pardack]]
** I understand it's not exact, but why else would the word "kid" be used.
***Because it's a commonly used turn of phrase?
*'''Here DECLINES the Cheata- There DECLINES the Cheatachu! Yeah, shut up kid!''' [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 15:47, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
** Please vote in a fashion that would give us the impression that your IQ surpasses your shoe size. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 13:15, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Seconding a Decline pun''' It is with a solemn heart that the word "kid" is used regularly in real life, and that I don't care. So, yeah. That's it. -[[User:BurninatorBoombox&Markie|MK and/or BurnBox]] 23:23, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**Second. [[User:GG Crono|GG Crono]] 03:04, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**Like I don't get two jillion of these Fun Facts every two jillion '''Second'''s! --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 14:27, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' Way too much of a stretch. Seriously. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 22:13, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
** '''Second''' --[[User:Eytanz|Eytanz]] 13:51, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*** '''Second''' --[[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 22:07, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''DECLINE!''' 'Nuff said. [[User:James Craven|James Craven]] 6:43 PM EDT June 5 2005.
*'''I'll let you decline... er... decide''' OMG STRONG BAD SAYS "THE" IN THIS E-MAIL WHICH IS A REFERENCE TO HOMESTAR SAYING "PAMCAKES" OMG OMG. [[User:SP|SP]]
* Uhh...um..yeah, Imma gonna give this 1 a '''SUPER DECLINE!!!'''[[User:Pac-man|Pac-man]] 00:40, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:33, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

===[[3 Times Halloween Funjob]]===

====3 Coins Halloween Punjob====
The money Bubs gives to Homestar at the beginning consists of two silver coins and a copper one. Bubs says that 16 cents is Homestar's change, so the two silver coins must be a nickel and a dime while the copper one is a penny.
*'''Decline.''' If I had a nickel for every declined fun fact, I would throw them at people at the Food Court from the railing like up above. --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 06:15, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' Why would someone think that this "fact" could be "fun" at all? Who really cares what Bubs gives as change? -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 11:05, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*Congratulations you know how to count change, you want a cookie? '''Decline''' [[User:The_Pardack|The Pardack]]
*wow 16 cents i think im going to have a heart attack.'''Decline'''[[User:Pac-man|Pac-man]] 16:47, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline'''. --[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 16:55, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Marzipan and those are gonna summon her dead plant, but that sounds dumb and boring, so I'll probly just end up DECLINING...''' Need I say more? [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 21:19, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Seconded'''. The less trival the better. '''''Baleete and Burninate!''''' [[User:James Craven|James Craven]] 1:19 AM EDT June 3 2005
**'''Second''' --[[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 22:07, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Sorry, your "Fun Fact" has just been killed by a DECLINE!''' This fact isn't fun and it is not worth noting because who cares about how much change Bubs gives as change. For Example: Oh, I'm just going to look at these three funny copper coins because I'm too curious to do anything else! Oh, wait, those are some red rocks.[[User:Maestro|Maestro]] 05:32, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Tonight equals declining.''' DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH. [[User:SP|SP]]

===[[Senorial Day]]===

====Senor Shrub====
The shrub under the tent is the same as the shrub that Senor Cardgage/Creepy Comb-over Strong Bad suspiciously comes out from behind in [[kind of cool]].

*Yes, it is. '''Accept''' - [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 19:33, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
* '''Accept.''' My thoughts exactly, Tony. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 19:34, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
* '''Accept'd.''' Yep - same shrub alright. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 19:43, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept.''' — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:35, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept.''' Ah, a good fun fact for once. --[[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 22:07, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''You'll save like an ACCEPT, or my name ain't Cheatachu72!''' Yeah, sure. [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 23:49, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept.''' Go for it. --[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:48, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept'''. Just get rid of the "In Senorial Day" bit at the start when it's added to the page. {{User:phlip/sig}} 05:05, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Seconded''' because I have seen it firsthanded. [[User:James Craven|James Craven]] 3:19 AM EDT June 6 2005.
*'''Weak accept''' Fairly obvious to me but I guess other peoples might not get the referance right away. [[User:The_Pardack|The Pardack]]
**I didnt get it the first time I watched it so... --[[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 20:36, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:44, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

====Old Gron Sad voice?====
Strong Sad seems to be using an older style of his voice in his easter egg. When he says "Somebody hit me on the slant," his voice is normal again.
*'''Decline.''' I didn't really hear a difference... or find it that interesting. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:36, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' Although I noticed this, it's not worth mentioning. In fact I've noticed that Strong Sad's voice has changed quite a bit lately. Probably because he's becoming less of a staticly depressed character and one with more personality. I'm rambling though so, um yeah, decline. [[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 22:51, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' It still sounds like Strong Sad, both times. I hear a difference but it doesn't really translate to 'old' and 'new'. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 23:25, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Ow! Somebody hit me on the DECLINE!''' No. [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 00:47, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Weak Decline''' I don't hear it, but maybe its just me. -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 19:57, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 22:57, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline,''' but I love you anyway. --[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:50, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

====Hoppity Freddie of Values?====
The frog Bubs dresses up as looks exactly like Fredddie the Frog from the early 70s TV series New Zoo Revue
*'''Decline.''' I'm not convinced. I compared it with several online photos of Freddie -- Freddie doesn't appear to have quite the same head shape, nor does he have the nose spots, mismatched eyes, or lolling tongue. This would seem to be just a generic frog costume. --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 05:43, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' [http://www.angelfire.com/ny/nyuk/froggy.html Plunk] your magic [http://michelesworld.net/dmm/frog/gremlin/plunk.htm twanger], [http://www.tvacres.com/frogs_froggie.htm froggy]! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:24, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline'''Too much of a stretch, next thing you know someone will say it looks like the Don Gero’s mask from ''Majora's Mask''. [[User:The_Pardack|The Pardack]]
**'''Second'''. Weaker than a bantamweight against a light-middleweight. [[User:James Craven|James Craven]] 10:30 AM EDT 6/2/05
*'''Declizziefizzine''' I think it looks more like Don Gero's mask from ''Majora's Mask.'' Getting you irritated, huh, ThePardack? [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 22:27, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**No not really [[User:The Pardack|The Pardack]]
*'''Decline.''' It reminds me more of Kerropi or whatever that frog thing from Hello Kitty is called... but that's also just speculation, so... yeah. --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 14:21, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' It reminds me of a fake frog costume. I dont think there are any references in it at all. --- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 19:58, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Decline''' --[[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 22:07, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

====Señor Senior, Sr.====
Notice that when Strong Bad says "Mister Senor, sir," he is saying three different synonyms of the same word in a row (assuming we substitute "Señor" for "Senor.")
*'''Accept''' I like it but I know some people here probably won't. Bonus points if you know where the title of this fact came from! --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:11, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**I hear they're looking for a few good users over to the Kim Possible Wiki. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 18:25, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*** You're right about the source, but I'm not into KP enough that I'd want to head over to their Wiki - I just thought of Señor Senior, Sr. when adding this fact. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:57, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
****Just jokin' about the KP Wiki. Wouldn't surprise me if there is one, though. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:09, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*****'''Second With Modification''': Should read "The reference is taken - loosely - from the Disney cartoon series ''Kim Possible'', in which one of the villians is named Señor Señor, Senior." [[User:James Craven|James Craven]] 1:36 PM EDT June 6 2005.
****** I, uh, hope you're talking about my Fun Fact title and not the Fact itself. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:01, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
******* It's the fact, Jack! [[User:James Craven|James Craven]] 7:48 PM EDT JUne 6 2005.
*'''Accept.''' I think it's funny, and it's true. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 07:14, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept.''' If not as a fun fact, then at least as a "Remark". -[[User:GG Crono|GG Crono]]
**Er, a Remark ''is'' a Fun Fact... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 15:29, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Vera Weak Decline.''' Interesting, but ... nah. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 18:27, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accepted!''' Congrats, you got yourself an interesting fun fact! Funny and true! --[[User:MrsCommanderson|MrsCommanderson]] 20:35, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept as a remark.'''[[User:TakuaKaita600|TK600]] 20:41, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Weak accept''' its interesting...but is it really noteworthy? -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 20:59, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept''' Prooty good. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Acceptable in my sight.''' --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 04:54, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept.''' Everyone else was doing it. I just wanted to be popular. --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 06:07, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Seconded'''. Why not? [[User:James Craven|James Craven]] 10:31 AM EDT 6/2/05
*'''Accept''' This is a grood one. It's kinda weird that Strong Bad, Mr. Grammar himself, made this mistake. [[User:Ramrod|Ramrod]] 15:43, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**Its not a mistake, its just kind of funny. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept you Helvetica.''' [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 22:23, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept''' This seems like a totally uninteresting fact to me personally, but it's true and enough people think otherwise for it to be worth including. --[[User:Eytanz|Eytanz]] 13:49, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept''' I don't know about you guys, but I personally love this fact. --[[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 22:07, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' I don't see what's so fun about this particular fact, if indeed that's what it is.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 22:50, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

====Oh, what a feeling====
The "Bubsotathon" is a spoof of a [[Wikipedia:Toyota|Toyota]] sales event called "Toyotathon".

'''VERDICT:''' This fact was accepted. The discussion has been moved to [[Talk:Senorial Day]]. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 16:32, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

====Lurking around====
Strong Sad says: "Oh, there's nothing like going out for a lonely lurk on a lovely Spring night." The "lurk" is a reference to [[garage sale]], where Strong Sad is called a Lurker by Strong Bad.
*'''Accept''' For Pete's sake, of COURSE this is a reference. 1. Despite what [[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] says, it WAS Strong Sad that was the Lurker. 2. Doesn't "lurk" sound more than just a LITTLE awkward in that sentence if it's not a reference? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 15:45, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:47, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second''' Exactly what I was going to say. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]|[[User talk:acekirby13|My Talk]] 21:02, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 06:10, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Ehhh..''' I'm not convinced either way. I don't think "lurk" sounds at all awkward for Strong Sad. — [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 15:50, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept''' I didn't catch it when I watched the toon, but it makes sense as a reference - ideal fun fact material {{User:phlip/sig}} 15:53, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*Are people just STUFF'ing random things now? '''ACCEPT''' -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 21:01, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' This could just as easily be a coincidence. What happened to Jay's rejection of all "could be's"? --[[User:AnarchyBalsac|AnarchyBalsac]]
**'''Accept''' If any other character had spoken the line then yes, yes it would have been a coincidence. But Jay is right, is there any other reason for them to have used lurk other than it to be a reference? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**What "could be"? This is a solid IS fact, and I worded it as such in my vote. BTW, the only reason this got STUFFED was because I put it on the page, it got deleted, someone else put the rewrite on the page, it got deleted, and this was my comprimise. Yes, ''I'' STUFFed it - because it wasn't going to be left on the page if I hadn't! --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:51, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**Lurk is just a word, it could very easily be a coincidence. Especially since it is a very commonly used word. --[[User:AnarchyBalsac|AnarchyBalsac]]
*** Guess again. There IS no such noun as "lurk." Verb, perhaps, but that's not how SS is using it. And SS isn't SB or SC (known for their malaprops.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:04, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**Okay then, name one time before Garage Sale where TBC said lurk and not in reference to Strong Sad. And the above votes are right: Lurk as used in the egg doesn't make any sense. Just say the following sentance out loud: I'm going out for a lurk. Why use lurk when "walk" or "amble" or any similiar word would have worked? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' But did anyone else catch that the fact says Strong Sad is called a lurker by himself? [[User:The Pardack|The Pardack]]
**'''Seconded with modifacation''': Agreed with Pardack. [[User:James Craven|James Craven]] 6:43 PM, June 2 2005 (EDT)
**Fixxored. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline.''' Going against the flow here, but it seems to me that the title "lurker" as used in [[garage sale]] refers specifically to behavior in garage sales, and is not something that can be done alone at night. It's the same word, but not every repetition of a word is a reference. --[[User:Eytanz|Eytanz]] 13:42, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 00:37, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept''' I don't really see this as a reference, but sadly your arguements have convinced me. --[[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 22:07, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' That was in the context of a garage sale; I don't think the simple occurence of the same word indicates a reference.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 22:52, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

====Frolic or Bet?====
When Senor Cardgage says "------ around the campfire, children", you can't tell if he's saying "gambol", which means frolicking or playing, or "gamble", which means betting (obviously). I'm leaning more toward "gambol", but please, tell me what you think. The transcript says "gamble", but I think "gambol" is more Senor Cardgage.

How bout phrasing this in a way so that deleting and accepting is possible? My suggestion:

"Senor Cardgage: Gambol around the campfire, children"

*'''Accept'''. I think gambol makes more cardgage sense, as he often uses antiquated words in weird context. Gamble is just random. -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 02:21, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second''' {{User:phlip/sig}} 02:50, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**Oh, right. All of SC's malaprops are "antiquated" words that aren't just random. Like "left" ("left name"), "lawn" ("home lawn"), "cancel" (part of "free canceltation"), "denominator/wintergreen" (two options for what Cardgage can call himself in [[kind of cool]] - these are so random, I have no idea WHAT he's really trying to say!), and maybe some others I missed. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:57, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
* Cardgage uses words that don't have specific meanings. So I don't think this should be an issue of definition, but rather enunciation. And it sounds to me like he is pronouncing it with an "ol". So '''accept''' [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
** Editing previous vote due to misreading: There is ''no difference'' between the proper pronunciations of "gamble" and "gambol" and it doesn't sounds to me like Cardgage is messing with the pronunciation to encourage one word over the other. So pronunciation isn't the clue we need. Neither is really the obvious word ("gather") and both are verbs so meaning is out. Only difference between the two words left is spelling - and "gamble" is by far the more common word. So I vote '''Gamble.''' But as long as it doesn't keep getting shifted back and forth and back and forth, I won't care too much. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:49, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*To quote the KOC transcript: "I'd say some cool phrase that's almost one word and not quite another." To me, it sounds like he is pronouncing it like "gambowl". [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Three things here:''' First, this isn't a fun fact; it doesn't belong on this page. This discussion should be moved to the relevant [[Talk:Senorial Day|talk page]]. Second, the whole phrase is ambiguous enough that, regardless of what we decide to put in the main text, a footnote with the other spelling should be put at the bottom of the transcript, [[Strong_Bad_is_in_Jail_Cartoon#Footnotes|like we did here]] in "Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon". Third, I think it's "gamble". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:53, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Gamble.''' Yes, "gambol" makes sense. That's exactly the reason why I'm voting for "gamble". -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 23:01, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*"Excardon me" is a mixture between "excuse me" and "pardon me" so maybe "gamble" is a mixture between "gather" and "assemble" --[[User:Nosmorking|No Smorking]] 00:14, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**Wow, good point! --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:01, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second NoSmorking''' Wow! I seriously never thought of that! You rock! [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 17:52, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**I am very impressed. That is probably it. -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 20:37, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**C'mon. Y'all are tryin' *way* too hard to make sense out of the non-sensical! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:48, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''This is ridiculous.''' Everything is wild speculation! It doesn't matter anyway, it's nonsense! I'd say stick to the more common word ("gamble") and leave it at that. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 14:25, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

===[[little animal]]===
====Used once more====
The music for when Strong Mad chases Strong Bad will be used again in [[Where's The Cheat?]].
*Umm... Where's The Cheat? came before little animal... so '''Rewrite''' as "The music for when Strong Mad chases Strong Bad is from [[Where's The Cheat?]]." {{User:phlip/sig}} 15:22, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second''' This was probably written before the dates were added to the pages. Though I thought I'd fixed it, maybe I only fixed it on Where's The Cheat's page. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 15:28, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''second''' Though this fact COULD become dated if they used the music again. On the other hand its been awhile since Little Animal os thats doubtful. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Y'know, just checking STUFF, kicking cheats, I'm GONNA DELETE YOU TOO! "DAA!"''' I've said it before and I'll say it again, TBC REUSE NOISES AND LOOP ALL THE LIVE LONG DAY! [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 22:25, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''second''' "If a little fact came up to me, I'd decline it"[[User:Maestro|Maestro]] 22:45, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
** They do not re-use music ALL THE LIVE LONG DAY. Only when clearly making references, and in this case. Don't confuse sound effects with music. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:27, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*9_9. [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 00:49, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

===[[guitar]]===
====That's got to be "Barracuda" by Heart====
Strong Bad's rhythm guitar music is clearly inspired by the intro to "Barracuda" by Heart.
*[[User:Homestar_Coder]] has vowed in [[Talk:guitar]] to delete any mention of "Barracuda" from fun facts on the basis that "there are many possible songs that the 'rhythm guitar' could reference."
*The only other song I saw in the history was Bonanza, which for so very many reasons is obviously false and ''should'' be kept out.
*What do you think? I only ask that you listen to "Barracuda" and the email before deciding this one.
**In the future, I would appreciate if you would refrain from claiming I "vowed" to do anything. I merely deleted the fact, explained my reason, and requested you put it in STUFF if you don't agree. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 06:10, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
**Hey Anonymous! Why don't ya, um, write a post or something and not attribute it to yourself! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:15, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' Sometimes basic rhythm guitar is just basic rhythm guitar. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:34, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept!''' Have you ever heard the song? It is so Barracuda! It's even the same number of beats, the only difference is the basic rhythm guitar music in the email is a slightly different tone then the opening refrain of Barracuda. [[User:Ookelaylay|Ookelaylay]] 14:56, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**No it isn't, count them... guitar has 5 low ones then it rises, Barracuda has 7 low ones then it rises... All the same I think it's close enough, so '''Revise''' (get rid of the word "clearly"), but get your facts straight first. {{User:phlip/sig}} 15:16, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
***Well,I think it's close enough. Yeah, '''revise''' I guess, change 'clearly inspired by' to 'remniscient of',and you're set. [[User:Ookelaylay|Ookelaylay]] 17:44, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
****Yes, I've heard Barracuda. Over and over and over and over and over again since 1977. That's why I voted against this. It's not the same rhythm (see above) and SB doesn't sing it the same way. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 17:59, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*It sounds slightly like Barracuda..but I would have to say '''revise''' as well to something equivalent to philip's suggestion. I do think it is some sort of reference too, as isn't the "meedly meedly" part a reference to a real song too? -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 21:04, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' All the proposed rewrites may as well have "may be" or "could be" latched onto them. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''DECLINE''' It sounds absolutely NOTHING like the song or at least very little. The only reason they're similiar is becasue they're both rhythm guitar. Case closed.
*'''Decline''' There are a lot of songs it could be referencing. Unless the line or section of the toon in question is very obviously referring to something, it seems too conjectural to claim it as a reference.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 22:56, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*Anonymous, GET OVER YOURSELF please. '''Decline, belindas''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 13:51, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

===[[time capsule]]===
====Eyes====
Homestar's eyes appear to be placed closer together in this email than usual.

*'''"Oh no! You shank my ACCEPTION ship!"''' Nice observation! I kidn of noticed it, but I wasn't sure... Good job! --[[User:MrsCommanderson|MrsCommanderson]] 22:41, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accepted, yo!''' - After some close inspection, yes, his eyes ''do'' seem a bit different. I guess TBC made this sort of mistake before with Strong Bad in "Where's The Cheat?" where they messed up one of his eyes. Nice job pointing this out! - [[User:SaikoRoxi|SaikoRoxi]] 4:42 PM, May 27, 2005
*'''ACCEPT'''! Good find! -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 23:29, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
* *Watches toon* Yeah, you're right. I think it's cuz he puts the wig on his head in front of his eyes and one eye had to be visible so they moved it, ya know?
*'''Accept'''- Whoa, crap, I never noticed that, nice find! [[User:Ramrod|Ramrod]] 14:20, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
*One other think I noticed is that Strong Bad misspells "smokey" as "smoky". Shoould somebody put this? -- [[User:Lappy 486|Lappy 486]] 00:43, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
**Smoky is a valid spelling. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 00:54, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
**I happened to notice that you misspelled "should" as "shoould." --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 04:36, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
***Oh, and '''Accept.''' --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 04:48, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
**Oh, sorry, I didn't know it was spelled both ways. --
*I have been proven right. Very good observation. '''Accepting.''' -[[User:BurninatorBoombox&Markie|MK and/or BurnBox]] 06:07, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Those last 400 fun facts were not so good, this one is much better!''' Congrats to whoever wrote this fun fact. I mean, I might give 1 accept for every 30 declines. And if you couldn't figure out what the crap my vote is, IT'S A FREAKIN' '''ACCEPT''', MAN! JEEZ! [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 16:22, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
*I was so ready to delete this fact and post a notice saying that provably untrue facts are DELETED!! I saw a picture where "time capsule" Homestar's eyes were placed on another Homestar, and it was totally unconvincing since the eyes were different scales in the first place. Then I watched the email, and compared it with [[flashback]]. Wow. '''It's true.''' --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:05, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
*I hate to do this since it's true, but '''Decline'''. I'm sorry, but I just don't think it's very fun. I don't think the people who accepted have to worry, though, since I seem to be the only one on the opposite side so far. - [[User:Song from 60s|Song from 60s]] 22:28, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
**It is quite interesting though. And somebody's bound to submit it again, aren't they? [[User:82.43.178.225|82.43.178.225]] 19:10, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' Nah. I'm with you on this one. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 19:06, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept,dude!''' Wow, you have good eyes,if you were able to spot that! [[User:Ookelaylay|Ookelaylay]] 15:00, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
* [[User:Maestro|Maestro]] '''accepts''' this.I see that you're right.[[User:Maestro|Maestro]] 04:25, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Seconded'''. Didn't notice until I saw it. [[User:James Craven|James Craven]] 1:16 AM EDT June 3 2005
**'''Second''' --[[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 22:07, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*ACCEPT'D! Yeah, they do look closer together than usually.-Sailor Marzi, June 3, 2005, 12:14 PM

====Isle of Pom?====
The time capsule looks an awful lot like the The Isle of Pom.

*'''Uhhm, it's a DECLINE, no, and I hate you get out.''' I betcha I know why the person wrote this "fun" fact. Probably 'cause it's gross and nasty and old and they didn't want it. Y'know, I think (in sarcastic voice) Pom-Pom's voice sounds an awful freakin' lot like Mike friggin' Chapman blowing BUBBLES IN HIS MILK! Oh, man. I peed my carpet. [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 03:10, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''It tastes like a #1 DECLINE!''' --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 04:45, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
*Sorry but there are a lot of things on the site that look like that, there are the bog ole headache meds (a pic on the jar) power crunches in the 20X6 Game, Pom Isle, Time Capsule, and DEAD BODIES IN THE FREEZER!! -- [[User:Lappy 486|Lappy 486]] 05:17, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
*It's obvious, but '''DECLINATION ABBREVIATION. No donut for you. Get outta here.''' -[[User:BurninatorBoombox&Markie|MK and/or BurnBox]] 05:59, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' The capsule is a rather generic shape. One that the Isle of Pom just happens to be in. [[User: GG Crono|GG Crono]]
*'''Accept''' Why the heck not? by the way, are you feelin' alrite cheetachu72? you seem a little out of it.--[[User:Because, It's Midnite|Because, It's Midnite]]
*No *sigh* I'm okay. Just have mood swings now and then. WHAT DO YOU MEAN OUT OF IT?!? RRRRRRRRRRRRR! {gets hit by tranquilizer darts} uuuuuuuuuuu, {smack head against keyboard} [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 15:55, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
*I really don't see what's wrong with this fun fact. It's true the time capsule looks like the Isle of Pom. Plus, fans wouldn't be able to tell unless they go to the museum, which I myself didn't bother looking at until I was a hardcore fan. Yes, a capsule is a common shape, but I haven't seen it on the website too much, which makes it stand out a little. So '''Accept'''. - [[User:Song from 60s|Song from 60s]] 22:36, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''DECLINE!!''' Who cares! And Stinkoman looks like Strong Bad! -Kinsey
*'''DECLINE!DECLINE!!DECLINE!!!'''[[User:Pac-man|Pac-man]] 16:54, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept.''' If there are indeed more than just a few things with this capsule shape, then a page needs to be created for them. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:39, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
* '''TOTAL DECLINE'''. Listen, if some new guy watched both Time capsule and the Isle of Pom, they would suddenly make that reference! DELETE IT! [[User:Maestro|Maestro]] Oh, and one more thing. The fact is already in the Fun Facts section of Time Capsule!!!!!![[User:Maestro|Maestro]] 04:25, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline'''No it looks more like a cold pill [[User:The Pardack|The Pardack]]
**'''secondation''' Which is exactly why I (feebly) created the [[Pills]] Inside jokes page. [[User:EdgeKing|EdgeKing]] 21:12, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)EdgeKing

====The Life Saving Turtle====
The turtle featured in the newspaper clipping is the same one used in [[new hands]].

*D'oh, how come I didn't see this? I compared the screenshots. And...they look like the same thing. So, for me, it's an '''ACCEPT?!''' -[[User:BurninatorBoombox&Markie|MK and/or BurnBox]] 22:14, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''I'm not gonna call him Slowbie, now I'm gonna call him ACCEPT.''' [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 00:51, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

===[[long pants]]===
====No "la dee la dee la"?====
Homestar says "Everybody everybody" in his tirade, a reference to the [[Intro]].
*Cept not. It is a privalge to be the first to '''decline''' this. Just as a note, I don't think that this type of fact is meant to be STUFF'd. When something is so blatently wrong or pathetically stupid with a fact, I personally think it should be deleted posthaste, with a note in the talk page. Leave the STUFF for controversial facts (ie. Change of Pace)-- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 01:59, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
*Tony, be nice. I would like to point out that Homestar also made a reference to Bubs' character page is his tirade, so this is also probably a reference. It just wouldn't make much sense if it wasn't. So I '''Accept.''' --[[User:Hamrodrunner|Hamrodrunner]] 02:16, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
**No he didn't. And while I'm sure this is a reference, its fairly obvious to anyone whos bothered to watch the intro.'''Neutral''' [[user:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
* I'm '''Neautral''' on this, because it sounds like it could be a reference, but he did't say in the same way that he does in the intro. [[User:Ramrod|Ramrod]] 03:32, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
* What's so terrible about it? '''Accept''' --{{User:Jay/sig}} 03:34, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Evwrybody, la dee decline-o!''' And maybe when Homestar said "Hey the Cheat," that might be a reference to that little yellow thing. And maybe Homsar is a reference to Homestar. Did you ever realize that Strong Bad, Strong Sad, and Strong Mad sound almost the same? Maybe the Poopsmith got his name from his job! MAYBE THE BROTHERS CHAPS ARE RELATED! *gasp* Wow, back to therapy. [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 04:49, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' It's NOT a reference, because he would have said it like it's said in the intro. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 19:19, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
**So when Strong Bad mentions "Cheatcakes" in [[do over]] it's not a reference to [[stupid stuff]] because he says it differently? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:27, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Very Weak Neutral''' It's a reference to "Everybody, everybody". Not quite sure how to classify it though. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:23, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept'''. This certainly is a reference. Nobody ever says "everybody everybody" in normal specch, or even when going on a tirade, without it referring to homestarrunner.com. But, I think this needs to be <s>'''revised'''</s> because the Intro isn't the only thing it could refer to. At least in the old days, "Everybody! Everybody!" was more or less a slogan for the site itself. --[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 20:36, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''I think not!''' No. It isn't. Decline. No. -- [[User:Lappy 486|Lappy 486]] 00:53, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept''' I really don't understand what the problem with this is. "Everybody everybody" is NOT a common phrase for people to use, and it's a slogan of the site. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 01:17, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''DO OVER!''' You can look at the transcript and see that Homestar says "Everybody! Everybody!" What should be noted as a fun fact is the significance of him saying that, that "Everybody! Everybody!" is HomestarRunner.com's theme song. --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 04:50, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
**Er... I've used "Do over" as a "Decline" statement before... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:17, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
***Oh, I intended it as a "Rewrite" in this case. --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 13:59, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
*Jay, going back to what you said...I would say Cheatcakes is a reference, because it's an object. That doesn't matter to me. Homestar saying "Everybody, everybody, longest pants?" Not so much. I think Upset_Your_Balance is probably right on the money with what he said, but I still decline the fun fact. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 04:55, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
**<strike>'''So totally Second'''</strike> Yes. Yes! You are right right right, so right. You couldn't be more correct. Yes. Perfect. Absolutely right in every way. Yeah, man. Whoo, yeah. See this guy? He's just so right, man, so right. I love this guy. I stroke your head. I kiss yo- No. I don't do that. But yes. You are so, so, so, YES, right. -- [[User:Lappy 486|Lappy 486]] 05:20, 28 May 2005 (UTC) You can't vote on the same fact more than once. I've blocked someone for doing that in the past, so watch it.
**I meant Cheatcakes, BTW (changed it in both of our posts). But I stand by it - he doesn't say it exactly the same way, but the VERY NATURE of his tirade makes him not say it exactly the same way. He says the same thing, in a context where it otherwise makes no sense, as the theme song. I have a Homestar Runner [[Everybody Everybody Poster|poster]] which reads "everybody! everybody!" at the top. It's not being spoken aloud AT ALL, but I think everyone can agree that it's referring to the H*R theme song on the poster. How is this different? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:17, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
**'''Accept.''' No need to even spend money on a poster to see this. Go to "www.homestarrunner.com". What does it say at the very top? "everybody! everybody!"--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 18:13, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' It's true, but given that it's in the intro, I would think it's obvious. --[[User:AnarchyBalsac|AnarchyBalsac]]
*'''Accept.''' It seems rather obvious to me. [[User:GG Crono|GG Crono]]
*'''YOU GOT A DECLINE!''' Too obvious, Clanky! Too OBVIOUS!! -Kinsey
**How is this too obvious? The majority of people (NOT Wiki-people) visiting the site probably don't even watch the intro once, since it's skippable. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 16:35, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
**And given that even some Wiki-people don't think it's connected should make it obvious that it's not all that obvious. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:37, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept.''' — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:36, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Declined, Burninated and ''Baleeted!''''' [[User: James Craven|James Craven]] 1:12 AM EDT June 3 2005.

===[[Main Page 22]]===
====ALL WRONG.......====
Homestar's quip of "All right!" is taken from the Homestar Talker.

*'''That is not a small decline! That is a BIG decline!''' I always figured it was a reference to the Strong Bad Email [[the show]] in which Homestar says "All wighhhhhht..." right before he recites his "Tim Duncan" list. [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 05:28, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
*Not another one of these, TBC re-use sound bites all the time so it's '''Decline''' for you [[User:The_Pardack|The Pardack]]
*Only liars and thieves make bad Fun Facts, and those people get '''DECLINE'D'''... just ask The Cheat! --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 05:14, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Dear Strong Bad, how do you DECLINE poor fun facts? sincerely, the spludge.''' I'll second the pardack, and 100% agrees with him. ---[[User:the spludge|the spludge]] 22:22, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
*I have suddenly come to the concluson that The Pardack is right. I never realized that. So for me, '''WEEKDAY DECLINE, erm, DECLINE WITH A FUNNY PUN''' -[[User:BurninatorBoombox&Markie|MK and/or BurnBox]] 03:33, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Choke on your DECLINE!''' - Nah, sorry. - [[User:SaikoRoxi|SaikoRoxi]] 6:32 PM, 26 May 2005
**'''Seconded''' for obvious reasons. [[User:James Craven|James Craven]] 1:13 AM EDT June 3 2005
*'''AN ACTUAL ACCEPT.''' I checked, and it's definitely the one from the H*T, not "the show." And the "TBC reuse stuff all the time" argument doesn't work here because it's virus stuff, and one of the main things with the virus stuff is that they use a lot of old stuff. Should we get rid of the "With Marzipan's radish we're gonna win the competition" quote from the [[virus]] e-mail? [[User:ComputerBox|Tom H]] 22:31, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:05, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

===[[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]]===
====Unaired Episodes!====
"teenage girl show!
Revamped for the 90's.
More humor! Finer dining!
See the unaired pilot, the holiday special, and the 'everybody dies' episodes!"

I think this is a reference to the well-known Japanime Sailor Moon, which featured teen girls, was revamped for '90s North America, and had many episodes cut out including a holiday special and two episodes in which, indeed, everybody dies. [[User:Purplefeltangel|Purplefeltangel]] 14:34, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Oh, if you want it to be ACCEPTED...''' Heh, nice refrence! =) Pretty good!--[[User:MrsCommanderson|MrsCommanderson]] 00:46, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept'd!''' That does make sense. I think it's a good find. And they have already made reference to Sailor Moon in the 17th main page. [[User:Ramrod|Ramrod]] 17:59, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Nuetral''' I'm going to pull a Switzerland here for now, and let me just say that shouldn't this go on the talk page not STUFF? [[User:The_Pardack|The Pardack]]
**<strike>'''Comment''' RACISM</strike> Sorry, I misunderstood. thought he ment something TOTALLY differnt by it--[[User:Because, It's Midnite|Because, It's Midnite]]
*** '''What?''' By "Switzerland", he means "not taking sides," as Switzerland (the country) hasn't done in any 20th century war. It's not a racist remark. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:34, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
****By Switzerland I just ment I was being nuetral but if you guys think it's racist I'll change it. [[User:The_Pardack|The Pardack]]
*****Switzerland is acceptable to me. It's been used before (*CoughSSBMcough*!). Anyway, I'll... '''Weak Accept!''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 12:34, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept.''' If all that is true, then it's a good Fun Fact. --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 18:26, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
*Uh, "I think?" '''Automatic Decline.''' --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 18:42, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
*Hmmm. '''Decline!''' Remember that inside joke: "1987". It has probably been 3-4 years (in the homestar world) since those cartoons that talk about 1987. Example: Cheat Commandos --[[User:Gooblies|Gooblies]] 19:17, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Revise and Accept''' The "I think" part is against Wiki rules, right? Other than that, it's all right for tonight. -- [[User:Lappy 486|Lappy 486]] 21:35, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Minor revise and Accept'''Cut out the "thinking", and I say its valid.-- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 22:10, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Nah, Decline.''' You came kinda close, but I'm a Bishoujo Senshi Sailormoon fan, and even though it's true: They have episodes where everyone dies, and unaired (at least in America) episodes, but this shouldn't exactly show any reference to the anime. That's stretching it a bit. [[User:SaikoRoxi|SaikoRoxi]] 8:16 PM, May 23, 2005
*'''Revise and accept.''' Make it like this:
<pre>The description for the "teenage girl show" is a reference to the
well-known Japanese series Sailor Moon, which featured teen girls. It
was revamped for '90s North America, and had many episodes cut out,
including a holiday special and two episodes in which everybody dies.</pre>
I could live with that. -- '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]''''' 00:43, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

*'''Accepted for the '90s!''' --[[User:kerrek slaya|kerrek slaya]] 00:50, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept.''' Makes perfect sense to me. -- SBEmail22
*'''Decline''' I have a headache now, thanks alot. It COULD be, but its not a specific enough joke to put a reference on. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Sailor Second.''' A rather speculative connection. The evidence just isn't enough to make it a clear Sailor Moon reference. --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 04:33, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' If the evidence in this fact is true, I think the connection is obvious. -- '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''
*Acceptalized. [[User:82.43.178.225|82.43.178.225]]
*'''Rainbow Moon Heart Accept!''' Nice find! -- [[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 16:55, 24 May 2005
*'''Accept.''' It doesn't get much more referencey than that! --[[User:Hamrodrunner|Hamrodrunner]] 00:29, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' This is far too stretched out to be a reference to Sailormoon. It could be referencing anything. It could just be referencing television series' in general. I'm sure this has nothing to do with Sailormoon. [[User:SaikoRoxi|SaikoRoxi]] 3:26 PM, 25 May 2005
**Oh yeah, it's referencing post-Dil Rugrats, all right. Yup, it's sooooooooo clear. [[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 18:18, 26 May 2005
**Or you know, just a thought but maybe, MAYBE its just a joke and not every last thing TBC write is meant to have some other meaning or act as some inside joke. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***'''Second (the decline).''' If Sailor Moon had, at some point been advertised with phrases along the lines of "revamped for the 90s! See the episode where everyone dies!" I'd agree, but as it stands, I can't see that there's enough of a connection. It would be as if your friend said, "My orange tabby cat is 23 years old--all she does is sleep all day," and somehow concluding that your friend was making a joke reference to Garfield. --[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 00:46, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline, yo.''' Seriously, you guys. When have I just put decline? I always have a clever pun! [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 04:54, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Another comment''' - Actually, it's probably not even referencing ''anything.'' - [[User:SaikoRoxi|SaikoRoxi]]
*'''Decline''' It sounds similar, but if it's not a proven reference, it doesn't belong. - [[User:Song from 60s|Song from 60s]] 22:40, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' This is pretty conjectural; references that aren't explicitly stated would seem to need a lot more support than this.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 00:33, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Enilced!!!''' I don't think TBC watches Sailor Moon anyhow.[[User:EdgeKing|EdgeKing]] 20:41, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)EdgeKing

===[[monster truck]]===
====Get Back Loretta!====
The sender of the e-mail "Stan and Loretta" is a nod to "Monty Python's The Life of Brian" where a character named Stan, played by Eric Idle, says he wants to be a woman and he wants to be called "Loretta."

'''VERDICT:''' This fact was rejected. The discussion has been moved to [[Talk:monster truck]]. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 18:15, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

=== [[The Luau]] ===
==== Reference? ====

In the beggining of the toon, when Homestar is "standing behind the gazebo", may be a reference to "A Jumping Jack Contest".

'''VERDICT:''' This fact was rejected. The discussion has been moved to [[Talk:The Luau]]. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 18:17, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

=== [[anything]] ===

====The <s>404</s> 411 on half and half====

"Half and half" is a type of cream made from half cream and half milk.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact was rejected. The discussion has been moved to [[Talk:anything]]. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 18:19, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

=== [[do over]] ===

====Tandy 400 Goofs====
When Strong Bad does over the [[sisters]] and [[little animal]] emails, the star logo is further left than in the original and "contrast" is written in a different font.
*'''Accept''' seems good to me. [[User:TakuaKaita600|TK600]] 20:53, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept''' -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 21:11, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Seconded.''' 'Tis true, voters, 'tis true. [[User:James Craven|James Craven]] 1:25 AM EDT June 3 2005

====Totally not gettin' old?====
"Anydangway" is a reference to [[car]], in which Strong Bad said the same thing.

*'''Accept''' Despite how often the word is used here, this is only the second time it's used on the site, so it counts as a reference. If it's used a third time, it should be split off as an [[:Category:Inside Jokes|inside joke]], or deleted entirely (to be decided if and when that happens) --[[User:phlip|phlip]] 01:03, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second''' I was thinking the same thing. --[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:14, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Very strong decline''' I've heard and said "Anydangway" long before it was ever used in anything Homestar-related. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:17, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' Maybe that just what Strong Bad likes to say...why would it be a reference or an inside joke? Is Homestar saying "guys" and inside joke? Or The Cheat's "Meh"? -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 11:27, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Anydeclineway...''' Dude, "anydangway" was like, my first word, man. JEEZ! Yeah, and I think Aunt Gert being 22 and a half cents is a reference to SBEmail 22. [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 22:28, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Obvious Declining with a funny pun.''' It's a word I use. And it's common. -[[User:BurninatorBoombox&Markie|MK and/or BurnBox]] 16:21, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' Why is it that using the same word means it's a reference to another toon where that word is used? That does not make sense. If Chewbacca lives on Endor, you must acquit.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 00:44, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

====George W. Stnank====
Strong Bad's reply of "I've never actually made a mistake" is a reference to George W. Bush's response to the same question.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact has been rejected. The discussion has been moved to [[Talk:do over]]. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 18:22, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

====Stnank or Not?====

Technically, Strong Bad didn't make the "stnank" in sisters, the Tandy deleted the email without Strong Bad telling it to.
*''SB actually DID delete the email himself, i.e. made a stnank, it was the illiterate person's email that the Tandy did the wrong thing on, Saving it instead of deleting it.'' [[User:EDY-innit|EDY-innit]] 17:52, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

*'''Decline the incorrectity''' (I.M.O.) [[User:EDY-innit|EDY-innit]] 17:52, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
**What does IMO mean? In my opinion? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***Yeah. It does.
***Isn't the fact that we're voting imply that its your opinion? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*Strong Bad's broken computer deleted the email. He just read "Deleted" along with it without noticing. I can't believe there are people who believe that Strong Bad deleted that email on purpose, even in a moment of weakness! '''Accept. Strongly.''' --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:05, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' I did check the [[sisters]] page before I put this fact on the do over page. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 21:08, 19 May 2005 (BST)
**Listen closely to the toon. "Undeleted! Undeleted! '''I didn't mean to do that!'''" And combined with the fact that it is referred to as a stnank as well in Do Over, gives 2 reasons For it being a mistake on SB's part, versus 1 ''possible'' reason for it to have been the Tandy going wrong. [[User:EDY-innit|EDY-innit]] 19:48, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
***You're taking it WAY too literally, and as thus, you're ruining the joke. We have WRITTEN AT THE TOP OF THE SISTERS TRANSCRIPT that the computer deleted it itself. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:56, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
****Then what was Strong Bad's stnank? -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:03, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
*****Er, that he said he made the stnank in sisters? That was the point to the fact in the first place... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:19, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
******So SB was and is still under the mistaken impression that he caused the DELETED!? -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:27, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
******If the stnank was speaking along with the Tandy's screen and saying Deleted, why is the correction of the stnank him NOT deleting it, and nothing happening to it (in the form of saving/deleting/etc.)? If it wasn't, then SB would have still tried to save the email, and if the Tandy malfunctioning was the cause of deletion, it STILL would have been deleted! [[User:EDY-innit|EDY-innit]] 21:48, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
*******EXACTLY!!! That's the whole point! --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:38, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
* You guys are reading way too much into this. The point is that Strong Bad is trying to change the way the e-mails went, not to undo any mistakes that he's made (which is why he called them "stnanks").'''decline''' [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]

*'''Decline.''' To quote, "Well, while I've never actually made a mistake, there have been a few, let's call 'em "stnanks," that could be worthy of a do-over." I.e., a 'stnank' isn't really a mistake--it's something that's worthy of a do-over. But even without this reason, humour is a dish best served in the absence of OCD nitpickers. --[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 14:57, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
*Strong Bad didn't ever make a mistake, he made a stnank when the computer malfunctioned and delected his email. For reasons listed above, '''Decline''' -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 17:53, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept.''' It's true, the stnank from [[sisters]] was the Tandy's fault, not Strong Bad's. And don't anybody start with that whole "Computers only do what you tell them to!" bull crap. --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 03:52, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept''' He didn't mean to do it, and he didn't, he didn't even realise it was deleted at first. --[[User:AnarchyBalsac|AnarchyBalsac]]
*'''Accept.''' Strong Bad is pondering what would have happened if things had gone differently -- things that he himself was not necessarily responsible for. --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 04:54, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
**'''Decline''' for exactly the same reason. --[[User:phlip|phlip]] 06:01, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

====A Type of Bad Grammar====
This is the first email in which we see a type of DELETED on The Lappy.

*'''Rewrite''' "A type of deleted?" Come on. Also, it's technically not a DELETED screen because it, you know, doesn't say "deleted." [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 14:07, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Outright Decline.''' Save it for when we get an ''actual'' Deleted. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:20, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' A "do over" is not the same as a "deleted." -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 14:23, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline'''. It doesn't say "DELETED!". It doesn't delete the email. Remind me again how it's a "type of DELETED"? --[[User:phlip|phlip]] 14:51, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Brraaap! Declinated'''. Comment on it if you like but you shouldn't say it's a "type of DELETED" because 1) It doesn't say DLETED!!, 2) It doesn't delete anything and 3) That's bad grammars.
*'''Decline''' Y'all have said it all -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]][[User talk:Tony Stony|talk]]
*'''Great jorb, Decline.''' As noted before, it's a Do Over, not a Deleted. --[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]][[User_talk:Homsar999|ß]] 22:31, 17 May 2005 (CDT)
*'''Surprised at your lack of a good Fun Fact, Declined.''' It does sort of remind you of a DELETED screen, but unless you see the word DELETED, it's not a DELETED screen. Though I guess this could be mentioned on the [[DELETED]] page as one of the screens that resembles a DELETED screen. (With DELORTED and MATT and other intentional parodies of the DELETED screen.) --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 15:28, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' It wasn't a DELETED, it was a 'do over', you can tell because Strong Bad re-does the email instead of just trashing it. [[User:The_Pardack|The Pardack]]
*'''Rewrite.''' I think the reason everybody's declining this is because it's poorly written and not very clear. Let me take a whack at it:
<pre>This is the first email in which we see anything even close to a
"DELETED!" on the Lappy.</pre>
[[User:TakuaKaita600|TK600]] 23:16, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Second.''' I think we can work with that. -Walking Armless
*'''Decline Both''' - Just because it's an message that fills the whole screen with a sound effect doesn't make it the DELETED! screen or related to the DELETED! screen. It doesn't even do anything similar to what DELETED! did. I mean, it brung the email back! I guess it deleted Strong Bad's email, but it's still to obscure to be mentioned. -- '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]''''' 02:04, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Second''' {{User:Rainer/sig}} 10:16, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''A type of Decline''' Second. --[[user: Lappy 486]] [[User:Lappy 486|Lappy 486]] 12:20, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Done Over''' It's close to a DELETED, but it is not an actual DELETED. [[User:EDY-innit|EDY-innit]] 17:54, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Wait.''' If this screen is ever used again with "DELETED!" instead of "Do Over", then put this up. If not, don't. [[User:152.163.101.6|152.163.101.6]] 20:56, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline'd.''' It's not exactly important enough to be considered a fact, sorry. [[User:SaikoRoxi|SaikoRoxi]]>[[User talk:SaikoRoxi]] -- 6:33 PM, 21 May 2005
*'''I decline thee! *whack*''' -- [[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 17:00, 24 May 2005
*'''Big-Time Decline'''. Needs to be ''baleeted!'' [[User:James Craven|James Craven]] 1:27 AM EDT June 3 2005
*'''weak accept''' Because, when we think of deleted, we usually think of Strong Bad saying aloud "deleted," and DELETED appearing on the screen. Except here, he said "do over" and the screen displayed "DO OVER!" Every time the screen on any computer has said deleted, Strong Bad has said it. But, it doesn't always do what he tells it to. (I'm thinkin sisters and virus.)[[User:EdgeKing|EdgeKing]] 21:25, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)EdgeKing
*'''Decline''' Please people. It was a phrase that appeared on the screen. It's not any sort of Deleted! cousin. --'''[[user:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]][[User talk:mibluvr13|dígame]]''' 23:22, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

====Grammatically Incorrect====

Right before Strong Bad talks about mistakes, he makes two grammatical mistakes. "Alright" is improper, as it is a misspelling of "all right". Additionally, "What would I do different?" is improper adjective/adverb use (should be "differently").
*<s>'''Accept''', yeah ok. makes sense to me</s> Actually, no. "Alright" is more or less an acceptable word. Besides, who says Strong Bad doesn't use slang? '''Decline'''-- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]][[User talk:Tony Stony|talk]]
*Decline Nitpicky is this not? Who cares? If this were called "select the usable BORING facts, maybe. --[[User:AnarchyBalsac|AnarchyBalsac]]
**'''Second'''yeah, this isn't STUB-F it's STUFF--[[User:Because, It's Midnite|Because, It's Midnite]]
*'''Decline''' Alright, is actually considered proper nowadays. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept first''' but '''Decline second''' The first one is good because it is incorrect and he uses it twice in the email, but the second one is the same thing that the sender emailed. And I dont think the part about "Right before Strong Bad talks about mistakes" is important either. I guess my vote should be a Rewrite, but I can't think of a good way to write it right now.
**Let's just leave it at '''Declined'''. While "alright" isn't accepted as proper English by everyone, it appears in the dictionary, and using "different" instead of "differently" is exactly the kind of subtle mocking of his fans that Strong Bad does all the time.[[User:Kyushu|Kyushu]]
*'''Decline''' I use "alright" all the time. -- '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]''''' 10:42, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' Apparently, alright is [http://m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?book=Dictionary&va=alright alright]. In addition, SB does this ALL THE TIME. It's just not notable any more. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:40, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' I may dislike the word ''alright'', all right, but it's far from the first time Strong Bad has used it. And "do differently," while technically correct, is not worth a mention. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:36, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Declime.''' Did you never notice how Strong Bad uses grammatically-incorrect phrases like "anydangway" and "TWELVE SIDED DIE'D!!" all the freakin' time? 22:01 17 May 05
**Not to diminish your point, but those aren't quite ungrammatical. The first is an example of [[Wikipedia:tmesis|tmesis]], and the second is an awkward noun-to-verb shift.
***Still ungrammatical though, isn't it? [[User:82.43.183.38|82.43.183.38]] 18:03, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
****It's not correct formal grammar, but as slang it's perfectly okey-dokey.
*'''Decline.''' Strong Bad is a grammar Nazi, sure, but he's using slang there. I'm an English major working to become an editor, and as such I am a grammar Nazi, and I still use slang like that. --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 15:46, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.'''[[User:TakuaKaita600|TK600]] 23:23, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' Much as I hate seeing the word "alright" used that way, it's (sadly) considered acceptable in that context. As for different/differently, I would probably use either word if I wasn't thinking. I'm glad it was noticed, but this fact really isn't too fun. - [[User:Song from 60s|Song from 60s]] 07:36, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' Bor-ing. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 10:16, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Declinition'''Um...sorta just a random weak connection, pointless and BORING [[User:Because, It's Midnite|Because, It's Midnite]]
* '''"Hey Maestro, if you get DECLINED, can I pick through your stuff on the way back to sol?"'''2 reasons.1) Look, everybody makes some sort of grammar mistake in their life, and 2)Very irrelevant. That's slang that Strong Bad uses all the time. [[User:Maestro|Maestro]] 22:40, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

=== [[kind of cool]] ===
====Homestar's Singing====

When Homestar sings his various phrases, it is the same melody as the chorus of "The Cheat Is Not Dead".
*'''Vera Weak Accept.''' It seemed to me a 2 out of the 3 phrases were sung that way. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:12, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

===[[cheat talk]]===

===To "T" or not to "T"===

At the beginning of the email, Strong Bad types The Cheat's name with a lowercase T. Usually the T is uppercase as it is considered part of his name.

*'''Douglassssss...ahem, DECLINED!''' I have noticed that the Cheat's name was like this >'''t'''he Cheat (sometimes, at least)[[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 11 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept''' Uh... what's wrong with this? It's true and we note it in other very rare cases when it happens... --[[User:Jay|''Jay'']] [[User talk:Jay|(Talk)]] 02:35, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' {{User:Rainer/sig}} 10:16, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
** Okay, so I can't find any other examples of us noting such a thing, but how often does The Cheat's name get written without the capital T anyway? I'll change my vote if you can show it to be common (emailers to Strong Bad don't count.) --[[User:Jay|''Jay'']] [[User talk:Jay|(Talk)]] 02:38, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept''' A mistake on SB's part. --[[user: Lappy 486]] [[User:Lappy 486|Lappy 486]] 03:31, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' definetly a goof --[[user:Nighthawk|Nighthawk]]
**'''Second.''' — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:32, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Read the HR faq!!''' TBC make mistakes sometimes, we don't need to go after every piddling little detail alright? Save goofs for when it really matters, like in Radio where part of Strong Sad's shirt dissapears. '''DECLINE!!''' [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
** That isn't what the FAQ says. The FAQ is advising people not to add flash artifacts (that is, oddities when we view the Flash file in .swf mode or by manipulating Flash features, unless they're PARTICULARLY notable.) It doesn't say not to add Goofs. --[[User:Jay|''Jay'']] [[User talk:Jay|(Talk)]] 21:56, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
***I believe that Donny was talking about the FAQ on homestarrunner.com. [[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 22:51, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
**** Its true. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*<s>'''Accept.''' It is part of The Cheat's name, and to not capitalize it would be like not capitalizing any of our names. --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|upset_your_balance]] 4:41, 12 May 2005 (UTC)</s>
**'''Repeal the Accept''' and '''Decline.''' I like the point below about how the author of the email lowercased the T twice in his email and so Strong Bad was making fun of him. It may not be true, but... that'll work. --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 17:07, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
*Yeah, it is part of The Cheat's name. Yet for some reason, (and maybe this is just me), I don't find the fact that Strong Bad forgot to hit a shift key once in one e-mail particularly "fun". '''DECLINED''' --[[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 11:21, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' Didja notice that the author of the email referred to The Cheat as "the Cheat" ... twice? Strong Bad is making fun of the author. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:14, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
**Gah! Good work soldier (and good eye)! Its not your fault people keep accepting this! [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''ACCEPT''' -- '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''
*'''Decline!''' I mean, who really gives a hunkocrap? [[User:Fetus|Fetus!]]
*I was the one who STUFF'd this, and even though I've seen a lot of perspectives, I still stick to my post (for anyone who disagrees. <strike>'''Second for all da declines'''</strike> [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] ''[only one vote per customer]''
*My bad. [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]]
*'''Accept'd!''' not capitalizing Teh C.'s Name would be like, capitalizing my name. Becasue it's lowercase. --[[User:kerrek slaya|kerrek slaya]] 11:28, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept''' the The is part of The Cheat's name which makes it a proper noun, which means it needs to be capitalized. [[User:The_Pardack|The Pardack]]
**But dude, Strong Bad is making fun of him by not capitalizing it. At least, he would be making fun of it if he cared, which he probably doesn't. --[[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]][[User talk:Tony Stony|talk]]
**At the risk of being repetitive ... didja notice that the author of the email referred to The Cheat as "the Cheat" ... twice? Strong Bad is making fun of the author. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 21:43, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
*Decline This whole fun fact is rediculus. --[[User:AnarchyBalsac|AnarchyBalsac]]
* I have a question. If Strong Bad is making fun of the author, why is it so subtle? Strong Bad is not one for that much subtlety when making fun of people. I think that it was a mistake that coincidentally coincided with the mistaken capitalization in the email. I mean, does Strong Bad type in ALL CAPS when trying to make fun of people who type like that? No. He half-yells it and reminds them how many internet ettiquite laws they're breaking. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:34, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
:*At any rate, this is such a nitpicky minor thing that I really feel it's not neccessary. --[[User:AnarchyBalsac|AnarchyBalsac]]
*'''Weak Decline or somethin'? I dunno''' - Not capitalizing parts of "The Cheat" is very common, since in the english language you must capitalize a noun, but people sometimes forget that "The Cheat" is one noun, thus making "the Cheat" or "The cheat", but "The Cheat" must be capitalized in two places. Very easy mistake. -- [[User:SaikoRoxi|SaikoRoxi]] 11:13 AM, 21 May 2005
**On a side Note, I didn't realize that You had to capitalize all Nouns in English. Do Pronouns count in That? (But yeah, You do have to capitalize proper Nouns.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 15:39, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
***Oh crap, sorry, what I meant to say was, you DO have to capitalize all proper nouns in English, not nouns. "The Cheat" is a proper noun because it is a name, and "The" is part of his name as well as Cheat, but they are considered separate words but the same (Like a first and last name). -- [[User:SaikoRoxi|SaikoRoxi]] 7:21 PM, 21 May 2005
****So what? It doesn't matter. It's a cartoon. Dunno if I already voted but I don't think I did so '''Decline.'''[[User:TakuaKaita600|TK600]] 21:08, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

===[[Stinkomanual]]===

====Saargtsson Ltd.====

The quote for Saargtsson ("Saargtsson is an equal opportunity employer.") is attributed to Saargtsson-Bosch GmbH. [http://www.bosch.com/content/language2/html/index.htm Bosch] is an actual German company specializing in automotive, industrial and building technology, as well as consumer goods such as power tools. Gmbh is the acronym for "Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung", literally translating into "Company with limited liability".

'''Rewrite:'''
The quote on Saargtsson's page is attributed to Saargtson-Bosch GmbH. [http://www.bosch.com/content/language2/html/index.htm Robert Bosch GmbH] is an actual German company.

*'''<s>ALMOST</s> Accept''' Edited to a full accept. Yay! [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**It's right on Saargtsson's page in the instruction manual. If you wish to consult it yourself, place your cursor below CONTROLS on the game menu, click, and go through the manual until you hit the page on Saargtsson.
***<s>I think he means where on Saargtsson-Bosch they use that phrase. In which case it's on pages such as [http://www.bosch.com/en/careers/country/china.htm] (found by [http://www.google.com.au/search?q=%22equal+opportunity%22+site%3Abosch.com Google], in small text on the right) '''Rewrite''' to be more consise, maybe:</s>
***:<s>The quote for Saargtsson ("Saargtsson is an equal opportunity employer.") is from the company [http://www.bosch.com/ Saargtsson-Bosch GmbH] which claims the same thing.</s>
::<s>--[[User:phlip|phlip]] 02:29, 12 May 2005 (UTC)</s>
*<s>'''Decline'''. Bosch isn't called Saargtsson-Bosch. It's called Bosch. The word "Saargtsson" isn't found anywhere on Bosch's website, or anywhere else for that matter except for here and H*R. "<company> is an equal opportunity employer" is a very common phrase that can't be linked to any particular company without more evidence. --[[User:phlip|phlip]] 02:32, 12 May 2005 (UTC)</s>
**'''Second'''. Somebody's got a clue here. [[User:Eritain the Peculiar|Eritain the Peculiar]] 00:23, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
*<s>'''Decline''' phlip is right. Google it. --[[User:Jay|''Jay'']] [[User talk:Jay|(Talk)]] 02:42, 12 May 2005 (UTC)</s>
*Sorry. Misread stuff. I forgot it actually said "Bosch" in the manual - I thought the link between H*R and Bosch was that the company's actual name was Saargtsson-Bosch, which it isn't. '''Rewrite''' It still needs to be more concise:
*:The quote for Saargtsson ("Saargtsson is an equal opportunity employer.") is attributed to "Saargtsson-Bosch GmbH". [http://www.bosch.com/ Robert Bosch GmbH] is a German automotive company which does [http://www.bosch.com/en/careers/country/china.htm claim this].
:--[[User:phlip|phlip]] 03:14, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
:*'''Slightly embarrassed second''' Aaaand I saw what he said and assumed the same thing. Lesson of the day: quotation marks are your friends. --[[User:Jay|''Jay'']] [[User talk:Jay|(Talk)]] 03:17, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
:*'''Also second''' that sounds better -- [[User:Nighthawk|Nighthawk]]
:*'''Second''' Shorter = better -- [[User:Ju Ju Master|Ju Ju Master]]
*'''Decline.''' The "equal opportunity employer" thing is pretty standard stuff. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:58, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
** True... but that's not what this fact is about. --[[User:Jay|''Jay'']] [[User talk:Jay|(Talk)]] 02:36, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Comment.''' I took the liberty of adding the "Gmbh" stuff to the main article. That's not in dispute here. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:58, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''WHOA!''' I had to rub my eyes while reading this. I'm sorry, I thought I was on HRWiki, not GERMANWIki. I mean, what are you saying, you lazy crap for crap! '''Massive REWRITE Above All Other Things Rewritable!''' [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]]
*'''NOTE TO ALL VOTERS!!!''' I think most of the "decline" votes on this are musunderstanding the fact in question. Which I myself am guilty of. The "equal opportunity employer" is ''not'' part of the fact. The fact is that "Bosch GmbH" is part of Saarg's name, and that "Robert Bosch GmbH" is a real company. There is nothing about that non-fact-worthy that I can see. The "equal opportunity employer", and phlip and my confusion earlier, only work to obfuscate the real meaning, so it SHOULD get a rewrite, but not a decline... --[[User:Jay|''Jay'']] [[User talk:Jay|(Talk)]] 18:01, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accepts the rewritten version.''' -- SBEmail22
*'''Senator, I SECOND that''' I as well accept the rewritten version. --[[User:SaikoRoxi|SaikoRoxi]]

===[[labor day]]===

====Strong Bad referencing Lucky?====

In the Schenectady Crispies egg, Strong bad says "I hope I don't get caught!" This could be a reference to Lucky Charms, in which Lucky, the cereal making leprechaun, is constantly avoiding getting caught by the kids who want his cereal.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact was rejected. The discussion has been moved to [[Talk:labor day]]. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 16:37, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

===[[Bug in Mouth Disease]]===
====Music by TMBG?====
The opening theme is somewhat like [[They Might Be Giants]]', [http://www.tmbw.net/wiki/index.php/Till_My_Head_Falls_Off "Till My Head Falls Off"]. The beat is the same, but the Bug In Mouth Disease one is slower and has a drum loop and heavier keyboard sounds.

*'''Mild Accept''' Hmm...interesting theory. Yeah, I guess it does sound pretty similar, now that I listen to both together. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 19:00, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' It actually mimics that homestar theme song much more closely, just listen to what homestar is saying. --[[User:AnarchyBalsac|AnarchyBalsac]]
*'''Decline.''' ADATMBGR -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:32, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**And that stands for? --[[User:AnarchyBalsac|AnarchyBalsac]]
***I'm guessing "Always Decline A They Might Be Giants Reference" {{User:phlip/sig}} 06:20, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

====555-What?====

The 555 numbers on Bubs' business cards are a reference to the 555 numbers traditionally used in movies, television, and radio. (Revised.)

*'''Decline First!''' Long-winded and obvious. Traditions aren't references. -- [[User:Lappy 486|Lappy 486]] 00:55, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept''' (Maybe '''Rewrite'''). Not everybody knows about this tradition. I thought it was interesting when I first learned about it. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 01:19, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
*<s>'''NO ACCEPT, but revision is prolonging the inevitable, in other words, SECOND TO THE MOTION I WILL''' - 555 We Tip, anyone? (not a GTA: San Andreas reference).</s>
**"The 555 numbers on Bubs' business cards are traditionally used in movies, television, and radio." Something like that. -[[User:BurninatorBoombox&Markie|MK and/or BurnBox]] 06:03, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' It's not ''tradition'', it's protecting themselves. (In most areas, dialing 555-anything results in a computer telling you things like the time and weather.) If they put a real number and a real person gets harrassed by the stupid people who for whatever reason feel the need to call fictional telephone numbers, TBC may hear no end of it. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:27, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Comment: Revise some more, if not decline''' Hmm, good point. "The 555 number on Bubs' business card is used in movies, television, and radio to prevent usage of real telephone numbers." <s>If that doesn't work, I say '''DECLINE 3'''</s> '''Weak Accept...ed''' -[[User:BurninatorBoombox&Markie|MK and/or BurnBox]] 16:20, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept.''' Here's the wikipedia [[Wikipedia:555_telephone_number|link]]. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 18:08, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' If you actually ''read'' the link above, you will realize that it is not a tradition as Jay said, but just a way to protect Homestarrunner and other movies, TV shows or media from being sued by people with the phone number. Even so, this isn't a noteworthy trait. I don't think that it would be particularly "fun" -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 17:57, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
**Hmmmm. I *did* read the link before I posted it. It shows that the use of the "555" in the toon is a reference to (or a similar usage of) the "555" used in movies and television. Whether it's a "tradition" may be in question, that fact that it's a reference (or perhaps an explanantion) is not. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 18:52, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
***But the thing is that it is so common in almost anything in media with a phone number that I fail to see it as a "reference". It's more of just a staple of cartoon numbers. It was probably not meant to be a joke -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 21:10, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)
****The fact actually should not listed as a reference. It should be an explanation. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:15, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Allready voted, just a comment''' I think how it is put on [[Cell Phone]] is best.

===[[comic]]===
====CORRECTIONED====
the line "In the United States alone, someone checks their email every three seconds. This is one of them" is more likely a reference to public servce anousments like "In the United States alone, someone dies from a brain tumor every 20 minutes." or "in the United States alone, someone suffers a heart attack every 20 seconds" or "in the United States alone, someone starts a new home-based business approximately every 10 seconds." than a reference to the closing lines of The Naked City ("There are eight million stories in the naked city. This has been one of them.") as listed on the page for [[comic]]

*'''Revise''' Too many examples. maybe just the first example. everything after "brain tumor every 20 minutes" can be discarded. --[[user: Lappy 486]] May 2 9:25
**'''Second''' It is too long, but does make sense. [[User:Ramrod|Ramrod]] 02:42, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
*ok fixed [[User:Ganome|Ganome]] 03:21, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
**'''Proposed Revision:''' the line "In the United States alone, someone checks their email every three seconds. This is one of them" is more likely a reference to public servce anousments like "In the United States alone, someone dies from a brain tumor every 20 minutes." than a reference to the closing lines of The Naked City ("There are eight million stories in the naked city. This has been one of them.") as listed on the page for [[comic]]
*'''I'm...hesitant''' Then why the use of "This is one of them" if its not a Naked City reference? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline.''' This is a Naked City reference! -- 13:33, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Too long, Clanky. Toooo longgg.''' Seriously, cut out like 5 lines of this fun fact. One example should do. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 14:59, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Revise''': The line "In the United States alone, someone checks their email every three seconds. This is one of them" is a reference to statistics such as "In the United States Alone, a lame fun fact is written every 8 seconds." as well as to the famous line from [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0040636/ The Naked City], "There are eight million stories in the Naked City. This has been one of them." [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 16:30, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''ACCEPT and delete Naked City Fun fact''' and then once that happens '''rewrite it so it's a fact and not a correction.'''[[User:TakuaKaita600|TK600]] 20:15, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Revise.''' Should go something like this: --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 04:28, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
<pre>The line "In the United States alone, someone checks their email every
three seconds. This is one of them," is a parody of public service
announcements, which have similar lines (such as, "In the United States
alone, someone dies from a brain tumor every 20 minutes.")</pre>
*'''Revise''' Possibly:
<pre>The line "In the United States alone, someone checks their email
every three seconds" is a reference to public service announcements
like "In the United States alone, someone dies from a brain tumor
every 20 minutes.</pre> I know it's pretty similar to the last one, but I took out some of the words. For this Fun Fact I think that even a couple less words will be better. - [[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] May 8 , 2005
*'''Major Decline''' and accept Naked City fun fact. - Dingell
**'''Second''' The "this is one of them" part is what determines it for me. [[User:unknownwarrior33|unknownwarrior33]] 18:18, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''ACCEPT''' it is not a naked city reference it is a publicservece anocement refrens like i saw one the other day that was for drunk driving that said THIS IS ONE OF THEM then it talk about the acsident! that NC quote is barely a reference it never says this IS one of them it say this HAD TO BE one of them and it never says a time thing! [[User:Ganome|Ganome]] 21:53, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Only accept Naked City part'''. It's a famous line. Strong Bad inflects it in the same way. I can't believe everyone thinks that this has to do with PSA's. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 07:25, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

===[[garage sale]]===

====Are ALL the prices (except where otherwise noted) related to e-mails?====

Except for the candle, the egg carton, Aunt Gert, and unpriced items, all prices refer to the number of the email in which the item first appeared.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact was accepted. The discussion has been moved to [[Talk:garage sale]]. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 18:25, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

===[[theme park]]===

====Will The Real Ryan S. Please Stand Up?====
'''(A)'''The "Ryan S." on the box of General Tso's chicken is a reference to Ryan Shoulders from the TV show [http://www.cbs.com/primetime/survivor7/survivors/bio/ryans.shtml Survivor: Pearl Islands] (airing in late 2003). In episode 2, Ryan S. goes to pick up a message (aka "treemail" on the show). While picking it up, he says, "The treemail, the treemail, wha wha the treemail," a play on the opening to [[techno]].

'''(B)'''The "Ryan S." on the box of General Tso's chicken is a reference to [[Ryan Sterritt]], a friend of the Brothers Chaps who has helped with the website in the past.
*I'd written the latter one, which I think is a more feasible connection than the former. '''Accept''' that one, but '''Neutral''' on the former; could be either way, really. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 15:46, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Meeehh''' When there are two likely answers, hang them both. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Double Accept''' I think both of them could be references that are correct. I'd put it like one fact, then the double asterisk, and the other fact, ya know? [[user: lappy 486]]
**'''Second.''' It should be noted that, on Survivor, the guy is actually referred to as "Ryan S.", to differentiate from "Ryan O." So both are very very plausible.--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 11:01, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' I know I don't typically vote to accept "could-be" facts, but both of these do appear to be quite plausible based on the circumstances. --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 19:52, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.'''Why did this get STUFFed? [[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]]11:33, 30 Apr 2005
**'''Seconded''' with a capital '''S''' --[[User:djm1791|djm1791]] 06:34, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
***'''Third''' --Da Borg
*'''Decline''' the former, '''accept''' the latter. The second one seems rather tenuous. --[[User:Andorra409|Andorra409]] 22:36, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**Wait, you accept the "tenuous" one and decline the other? ''{is confused}'' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 00:25, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
***Latter refers to the one at the end. Hes accepting the second one. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
****Right. So he's accepting the second one, but he's also saying that it's tenuous. --[[User:Jay|''Jay'']] [[User talk:Jay|(Talk)]] 04:09, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*****Probably just means that it's something of a ''weak'' Accept, but an Accept nonetheless. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 04:27, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
******Sorry for the confusion, I meant to '''accept''' the first, and '''weak accept''' the second. I don't know why I typed Decline. --[[User:Andorra409|Andorra409]] 00:19, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline A, Accept B''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 00:25, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Move A, Decline B.'''' That first one should go on the techno page, if it's not already there. The other one is irrelevant. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 21:17, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second''' The Ryan S. on Survivor is a good refrence (TBC could easily watch survivor), but is a dircet refrence to techno, not theme park, move it. Also, accept the second as it could be just as good and just as likely.
**Given that there's DEFINITELY a "Ryan S." on General Tso's Chicken and that it's not terribly likely to just be some random name they came up with, I'd say there's relevance enough. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 04:27, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept Both''' -- [[User:Joshua|Joshua]]
*'''Decline Both''' -- I think that whenever there is this much debate over either option, both should be scrapped. I mean, if it is not clear to a majority, why would it be a reference by the brothers? [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 01:43, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept Both''' -- They're both reasonable enough to mention. As a big fan of Survivor, I'd love to accept A and decline B, but I must say that B seems a bit more likely, given that A is a connection that few people would make (Ryan S. appeared on the show a total of three times), whereas B would at least be noticed by the "Ryan S." in question. Who knows for sure... but it must be a reference to something, so we should provide some hypothetical explanation. - Dingell

===[[couch patch]]===

====Computer miscommunications====
At the beginning of the email, Strong Bad tells Compy not to give him any cross talk. This is refering to the transient signal interference that comes from two wires running parallel to each other which can cause erroneous signals to be sent/received. (I welcome rewrite suggestions)

*'''Revise.''' Uhh...I ''sort of'' catch your meaning. -[[User:BurninatorBoombox&Markie|MK and/or BurnBox]] 04:03, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Revise.''' Most dictionaries list it as one word: ''[[Wikipedia:crosstalk|crosstalk]].'' — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:11, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Revise.''' Just say "Crosstalk referes to the transient...etc". [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second''', to all of the above. --SBEmail22 8:42 PM, 5 May 2005 (EST)
*'''Revise''' You can use this or not, I don't care, but when he said "cross talk," I always assumed it meant something more along the lines of "sassin' back", or being generally argumentative and uncooperative. But if that means what you said it means, then that could be a reference, too. [[User:GillanTheVillain|GillanTheVillain]] 05:08, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Weak Decline.''' I assumed that as well. And yes, "crosstalk" DOES mean that, but I don't think it applies here - I think it's just an odd coincidence. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 14:34, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' Since it's more of an electrical engineering and telephony term rather than a computer term, I'm inclined to think this wasn't intentional. --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 20:14, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Comment''' I disagree. I think that's exactly why he said "crosstalk" to the Compy. Otherwise he would have said "cut the sass" or something to that effect without using the word "crosstalk". --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
*'''Revise.''' Should go something like this: --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 14:57, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC) 
<pre>At the beginning of the e-mail, Strong Bad tells the Compy not to give
him any crosstalk. Crosstalk is when a signal transmitted on two parallel
wires creates an undesired effect (in this case, the Compy saying, "Cut
it out, you."</pre>
*'''Exobably not.''' I think he's just telling his Compy to cut the sass. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 13:04, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**So you think they just pulled the term "crosstalk" out of thin air? I'd say this is definitely an '''Accept''', preferably with some small revisions to the sentence structure. - Dingell
***Not really. I realize crosstalk is a computer term, and SB might as well, but it seems that he's using it in the way I described above. I don't know if that makes sense. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 14:54, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
****The fact doesn't say the reason why they used the phrase, it just explains what the technical definition for crosstalk. Dingell is right, its use (whether they used it properly or not) is not a coincidence. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''No.''' I think he means like "backtalk." [[User:TakuaKaita600|TK600]] 19:58, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Commentary by: ME!!!'''ok ok ok, this is what I think SB's trying to say: he's telling the conputer to quit talking back but he's referring to crosstalk and misusing it. Sorry it's badly worded but it's kinda complicated--[[User:Because, It's Midnite|Because, It's Midnite]]

===[[Blue Laser Commander]]===
====A legendary voice, you screech?====
The voice of the Commander is almost certainly a reference to the legendary voice-work of the late Chris Latta, best known as the voices of Starscream from Transformers and Cobra Commander from G.I. Joe.

'''CLOSED.''' This fact has been closed. The discussion has been moved to the relevant [[Talk:Blue_Laser_Commander#A_legendary_voice.2C_you_screech.3F|talk page]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

===[[Under Construction]]===
====Get That Character A Kleenex!====
1-Up getting a green nosebleed is a nod to the [[Wikipedia:Nosebleed#Nosebleeds in fiction|anime cliche]] that excited or aroused people get nosebleeds or "hanaji".
:The nosebleed's odd color may be a reference to [[Wikipedia:Mortal_Kombat#Ports|the original Mortal Kombat port for the Super Nintendo]], where the blood was recolored gray and passed off as "sweat".
*'''"MAYBE'D!"'''I like the 1st part, but it kinda looked more like a runny nose for lack of a better way of saying it. I don't care for the 2nd part though it's a pretty funny fact!--[[User:MrsCommanderson|MrsCommanderson]] 22:23, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' This is starting to turn into a TTATOT. I'm not well-versed in the nuances of amine symbolism. I just thought 1-Up had a runny nose. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 03:22, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

*'''Agree''' I've read several article on this phenomenon. It is also standard fare for western anime parodies to include an arousal nosebleed. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 03:55, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept 1st, Decline 2nd''' I thought it was obvious, but not everyone knows about anime cliches. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 05:41, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*From what I've heard, the blood was recolored green. They did the same thing for Resident Evil 2 when it was ported to the N64. In this case, its meant to be a generic snot bubble because 1-up isn't sexually excited. '''Decline the second'''
**As for the first...meh. I can take it or leave it. '''Neutral''' [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''No and no.''' It's snot. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 16:03, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept (though possibly revise?)''' Manga fans know that this is a pretty common occurence in anime. The [http://tvwiki.sytes.net/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SnotBubble Snot Bubble] is also a common cliche, though it's generally used for sleeping characters. Perhaps TBC got the two mixed up?--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 17:33, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' It's snot, like Rudeboy87 said. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 19:42, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' In a cartoon context, green stuff from the nose is pretty widely understood to be snot. --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 21:07, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:30, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' It's snot, and references an entirely different anime cliche with immature children having runny noses. There is no reason for 1-Up to be aroused, and if it was supposed to be blood, indicating a nosebleed, it would have been colored so.[[User:Rebochan|Rebochan]] 04:11, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' Even though I'm the one who added the 2nd part, I agree that this is unintentional. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 13:49, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Nuetral''' So what your saying is 1-Up got aroused by pudding?[[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]
*'''Decline''' Note the commentary for [[japanese cartoon]]. Matt, when discussing displays of emotion and the like in anime, mentions the mushrooms AND 'the snot bubble', the only one of which on the site is 1-Up's, showing that it is indeed a snot bubble. [[User:Suicune64|Suicune64]] 19:37, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''WITHDRAWN''' Wow, you guys are very literal. I guess there is no convincing some. I was the one who posted this on the article so I cheerfully withdraw it. Do what ever you STUFF people do to document and archive this. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 22:44, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**What, why? I like it, but I think it needs to be '''Rewritten.''' I think it's a runny nose, but yes, it is reffering to animé, and it should be noted.[[User:TakuaKaita600|TakuaKaita600]] 17:24, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept.''' I don't understand the people who claim it's not a reference to an anime nosebleed because it's green. You might as well say Cheat Commandos aren't a reference to GI Joe because the Joes aren't Cheats. References do not have to be exactly the same as the thing they reference. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 22:10, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**But Aurora, if we did accept this, we may have to let all the other "could be" fun facts in. I'm sorry, but that's the way it is. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]]
::*No, actually, it's not the way it is, and no, actually you wouldn't have to let the other "could be fun facts" in. You can always vote "Decline" on other "could be" fun facts. '''Accept'''. → ''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''
:::*Thanks for the defense FireBird. To me, this is not a "could be" fun fact, it IS a reference. Actually I think it's a combination reference to the snot bubble / nosebleed thing in anime; it seems a lot of people in anime / manga have fluids coming out the nose! But yes, just like "dot dot dot" and the "mushroom clouds" it's a direct reference to an anime/manga cliche. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 07:31, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''It'Snot Blood''' I think it is a runny nose. I know about the nosebleed thing, but i dont think it is what we are looking at. --[[user: Lappy 486]] 30 Apr 9:32
*'''Yes to the first one, No to the second''' - I think it is definitly a reference to hanaji. After all, why else would he suddenly have a runny nose (homestar didn't ever have one before so I think. As to the MK reference, I don't think so.__[[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 23:13, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
**Could it possibly be because Homestar has no nose? There is no instance of him ever smelling anything, and it's obviously not visible. However, it is particlularly clear that 1-up has a nose, especially from this cartoon. [[User:EdgeKing|EdgeKing]] 21:44, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)EdgeKing
*Decline You can make anything a reference to anything else if you try hard enough. I just wouldn't say this "reference" is an acutal reference. --[[User:AnarchyBalsac|AnarchyBalsac]]
*'''Common Taters''' - Now, just hold up a dang second now. That stuff is snot, my friend. Not blood. True, in anime, nosebleeds are used to show arousal, but that stuff ain't blood and 1-up doesn't look aroused to me. Soooo, Rewrite it. Snot bubbles take place in anime too. --[[User:SaikoRoxi|SaikoRoxi]] 11:36 AM, 21 May 2005
*'''Ahem, no'''TBC would definatly NOT have one of their characters getting sexually aroused, this is a family site and therefore not "Humpty Hump" for lack of a better phrase.--[[User:Because, It's Midnite|Because, It's Midnite]]

===[[rampage]]===

====rampage easter egg====
At the end of the SBEmail [[rampage]], in the easter egg when you click on "rampage," Strong Mad chasing the Cheat monster looking thing (sorry I never played Rampage before) and yelling "My panties!! My panties!!" is a reference to the SBEmail [[morning routine]].
* '''Decline''' It's already mentioned on the page, and worded MUCH more cleanly. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 02:42, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
* Oh oops. I missed that.
* '''However,''' there is something else. In the Rampage easter egg, the Cheat looks like the Strong Badman version of himself, as shown in the Sketchbook on September 2, 2005.
*'''Accept i guess''' It isn't often a big guy chases a little yellow guy yelling "my panties!" I think it is a reference. --[[user: Lappy 486]]
*Uh... did you just vote for and against the same fact? (Anyway, as this is already on the page, it shouldn't be voted for.) --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 05:34, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' This doesn't even belong in STUFF. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 07:17, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''IT'S TIME TO DECLINE!!''' I swear you could do better. -Kinsey

===[[long pants]]===

====Edga Jr. removes text?====
Strong Bad opens up [[Edga Jr.]] and when it goes away, all the text written before it is gone.

*'''Weak Decline''' Since Strong Bad actually calls up the text in question bringing back his e-mail program with no problems, I really don't see this as being a Goof (I moved it here from Goofs). --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.''' Just watched it and the text from the e-mail comes RIGHT back after the splash screen. Upgrading my vote to '''Severe Decline.''' --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:46, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.'''The email comes back, but Strong Bad's response disappears. -LuigiHann
*'''Accept.''' I don't think Eggman understands what this fact is saying. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:48, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Comment.''' And you can tell what I'm thinking from two posts?... Wow, amazing. I understand NOW what it's saying, but I still don't think it's a goof - what's the point of running Edga Jr. on what Strong Bad just typed? In any case, since we don't know exactly what keys Strong Bad pressed to bring the e-mail back up, but it's possible he could have just brought the e-mail back up so that he could do his "X-pensive Light Pen' thingie on it. It's still not deserving of a Goof entry since we don't accurately know what keys were pressed or even what was intended to happen - at the very least, it's a weak Remark, not a Goof. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:11, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline.''' The fact is accurate, poorly written, and not notable as a Goof or anything else. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:05, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Accepty-Go-Nuts. But Rewrite first.''' I see what you're saying...but it's poorly written. Please rewrite it.[[User:TakuaKaita600|TakuaKaita600]] 22:41, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept, Rewrite''' yep, it's true what the man says.
*'''Acceptomundo''' I think this constitutes a slot in the Fun Fact spot, this is done in other places. [[User: Lappy 486]]
*'''Second.''' -Walking Armless
*Decline That always happens with any program in DOS or on DOS based computers. --[[User:AnarchyBalsac|AnarchyBalsac]]
*Umm, I dunno how long I've had "rewrite" up there and nothng has happened. I guess I'll do it for you.
<pre>When Strong Bad returns to the email after having opened up Edga Jr,
all the text he had typed beforehand is gone. Since Edga Jr. is
programmed to remove text,
Edga Jr. may have removed it.</pre>
This could be a comment instead of a goof.[[User:TakuaKaita600|TK600]] 00:06, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
*I would still decline it, because it always happens that way in DOS no matter what program you load up, the previous text will be gone. So it's actually DOS that removes the text. --[[User:AnarchyBalsac|AnarchyBalsac]]

===[[Main Page 6]]===
====Outta Sync?====
Strong Bad's movements are not in sync. He says "Holy Crap!" way too early.

*'''Decline''' If the movements of Strong Bad's mouth are out of sync, why dontcha look at the .swf version and turn down the quality? But, why should it matter? --[[User:the spludge|the spludge]] 20:19, 26 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline''' Although it's the words and not the mouth, anyone going to the site will notice this.
*'''Revise and Accept.''' It isn't that his mouth is out of sync with the animation—rather, the words weren't animated at all. The only reason his mouth moves is due to the surprise of his falling. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 11:19, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' The problem is that he says "Holy Crap!" just before falling, which completely takes away the comedic timing of an otherwise hilarious gag.
**'''Second''' Did it use to work? Because I think it was fine a long time ago, but not anymore. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 08:50, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' It DOES screw with the timing of the joke. Mouth movements aren't the issue here. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second''' I ALWAYS noticed this, and I always thought it was a problem with my browser handling Flash stuff too slow. But it seems to be the case that the "Holy Crap" comes too early. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:43, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 23:43, 20 Apr 2005
**Second -- [[AnarchyBalsac]]
*'''Decline''' As I said on [[Talk:Main Page 6]], there's an option when you add a sound in Flash there are several Sync options, the usual one for this type of thing is "Stream", which makes it skip frames when being viewed on a slow computer so as to keep up with the sound. With sounds synced to "Event" (the default) if it plays too slowly on an old computer it just takes longer to play, making the sound lose sync. I guess they just forgot to turn it on this time. Perhaps "The sounds for Strong Bad singing and the planes rushing past are not set as Streaming audio, and can lose sync on slower computers" would work as a Fun Fact? Actually the harp for Downloads is the only sound that is streamed, but these are the only two you can notice. As for It's dot com's revision, you'll find that's already on the page as a seperate fact. --[[User:phlip|phlip]] 20:08, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' I admit that he seems to yell about a half-beat before he begins to fall. I always assumed that he did a wile e. coyote thing and hung out in mid-air before gravity took charge. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 19:02, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept.''' As "the person who forgot to sign his/her post" said, it really takes away from an otherwise hillarious gag.[[User:TakuaKaita600|TK600]] 00:11, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

===[[best thing]]===

==== Alternative vs. Hair Metal ====
The dialog at the end of the cartoon about Limozeen (who are parody of 80's Hair Metal Bands) being kicked off the charts by an Alternative band that has a girl as a bassist, etc. is most likely a reference to the fact that by the early 1990's people were tired of the excesses of Hair Metal bands and the popularity of that genre was already on the wane. Alternative Rock bands like Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins and Weezer (SP had 2 female bassists, Weezer's lead singer wears glasses) which were generally considered by many music critics to be smarter, hipper and closer to the roots of what rock is all about, put the nail in the coffin of the L.A. Glam Metal scene.
*'''Revise.''' A little too much info, like previously STUFF'd fact. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 16:02, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise''' a bit too wordy... perhaps condense this info by taking out the social commentary (basically everything after 'by the early 1990's) and just stick to facts like 'Smashing Pumpkins had 2 female bassists' --[[User:211.252.38.203|211.252.38.203]] 18:30, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. [[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 08:55, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise!''' English, please? --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 08:24, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second (though leaning towards decline)''' [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' Anyone who understands the joke about Limozeen being a hair metal band probably is already aware of the Alternative takeover of the early 90s. This item is simply explaining the joke - which, IMO, was a weak one to begin with. Any of the above revisions make this item even more obvious. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:16, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 01:59, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Since no one can apparently agree to a consensus on this one, I'll try a revised version.

The mentioning of Limozeen being kicked off the charts by an alternative band with a girl bassist references the death of hair metal in the early '90s, when bands like Nirvana and Smashing Pumpkins (who actually had a girl bassist) were able to have success.

With that, I say this needs to be mentioned, because not everyone knows about exactly what happened. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 15:52, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

*<s>'''Accept New Vresion''' I gotta say that I'm liking this newer version by ISTK a lot more than the original one. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 16:03, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC) </s>
*'''Slightly Revise'''... "...bands like Nirvana and Smashing Pumpkins..." - if the "girl bassist" part is the basis for the reference, then one of the bands mentioned should fit this example. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 02:07, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second''' Oh yeah, forgot about that. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:48, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' I just don't like this one. --[[user: lappy 486]] 25 Apr
*Sentence revised further. I added the Smashing Pumpkins as a reference. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 16:56, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

===[[origins]]===
====Cut the Crusts====
In the second bread sing-along song, Homestar sings, "I cut the crusts off in the morning light." This is a reference to the 80s metal band Dokken, whose song "Alone Again" had the same tune and opens with "I'd like to see you in the morning light."

*'''Decline.''' The tune is '''not''' the same as the Dokken song, and without the tune being the same this is too much of a stretch. -[[User:166.102.250.139|166.102.250.139]] 23:23, 20 Feb 2005 (EST)
*'''Accept, um, sorta''' In the Strong Bad Email [[Band Names]], Strong Bad suggests Dokken as a good band name, it's still kind of a stretch, but it's a possible reference.
*'''Accept''' Homestar very well may have been singing off-key.[[User:Fizz123|Fizz123]]
**'''Comment from original poster''' Homestar has shown he can at least get close to the proper key and note, even though the humor is his singing bites. If you listen to the difference in the notes in the opening line "Alone Again" and the "I cut the crusts off" line in "origins", they aren't even close. Much of the notes aren't even close to being the same length. This is not an intentional Dokken reference musically, and it would be false to think only Dokken has ever mentioned doing or wanting something in the morning light. -[[User:162.39.226.54|162.39.226.54]] (dynamic IP, maybe I should sign up...)
*'''Umm...''' Guys, this fact is still on the page...
**'''Comment.''' You ''can'' fix these things yourself, you know. Anyway, I took care of it. --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 19:56, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept.'''Looks like grade-a fun fact material to me. Nice one. Don't know why it was stuff'd or why so many people seem to be declining it.
**Why is this still here? I made the above, unsigned post like two months ago. (Maybe not.) Well, since it is unsigned and it needs to be signed, I'll just do it here: '''ACCEPT, YA DIG?!'''[[User:TakuaKaita600|TK600]] 21:48, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept''' - Yepper dee doo dah markeley. --[[User:SaikoRoxi|SaikoRoxi]] 11:27 AM, 21 May 2005
*Umm, this looks like a winner. --

===[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]]===
====Who's that Drummond? Redux====
"Mr Drummond" refers to Philip Drummond, a character in the '70s/'80s TV show ''[[IMDB:tt0077003|Diff'rent Strokes]]''.

*'''Accept.''' Resubmitted the de-TTATOT-ized fact with the most likely reference. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 16:16, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept.''' Definitely ''Diff'rent Strokes''. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:43, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept''' This sounds like exactly the sort of thing TGS would reference. -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 20:03, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Accept?''' Was he ever called "Mr. Drummond"? --[[User:Trogga|TROGGA!]] 00:05, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**Oh yes. Mr. Drummond didn't officially adopt the boys until mid-second season, at which point they started calling him Dad. Until then, they called him Mr. Drummond or "Mr. D". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:35, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

=== [[Homestar Presents: Presents]] ===
==== Homestar's Clock ====
It is unclear how Homestar's clock could even differentiate between 10:00 am and 10:00 pm -- usually analog clocks have a light or indicator when it is night time, but Homestar's clock has none.

*First of all, ''analog'' clocks usually don't have an indicator, and Homestar's clock is called a ''digital'' clock. Second of all, most people can tell whether it is AM or PM by looking outside. --24.21.86.243 10:00, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise and accept''' Not in Alaska.
*'''Revise and accept''' first of all, this IS a electric analog clock, uses small wheels inside with the numbers, i've seen this style before, also there is no indicator on this model but not all of them have it, normally they use a ssmall ne-2 indicator lamp with a 56k series resistor, he can tell am/pm by looking outside the window behind the clock but where are the buttons to set the alarm if any and when did you hear any alarm or see him shut it off? <nowiki>~~Frogz~~</nowiki>
**You know alot about clocks.
*'''Revise and accept''' What matters isn't whether Homestar can tell if it's AM or PM. He claims that he accidentally set the alarm for PM instead of AM, but how could he do that if the clock can't tell the difference between AM and PM? That's what's weird. (Frogz: Alarm buttons might be on back, and the music could be a short alarm.)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 20:39, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:GregHosting|GregHosting]] 06:14, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Rewrite''' To something like:
*Homestar says that he accidentally set his alarm for 10 PM instead of AM, but it is unclear how his clock can show the difference between AM and PM in the first place. There is no indicator!
**Maybe this is the cause of the confusion. -- all by [[User:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
**'''Third.'''..I mean.. '''Second.''' --[[User:RPharazon|RPharazon]]
**'''Second''' [[User:Kilroy|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]/[[User talk:Kilroy|talk]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:14, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' But get rid of the "Homestar says" part. Thats already noted in the transcript and adds un-needed weight to the fact. Just say "Its unclear how Homestar's clock can...and the rest"..[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' However, I think another important thing is the fact that if the clock does not have an AM/PM indicator, then Homestar would have had to set him clock after 10 AM (because, obviously, you can't set a clock like that any more than 12 hours in advance), further proving how...ahem... absent-minded he is.
*'''Decline''' I think we're trying to make a very complicated issue out of a very subtle joke - with no indicator, he COULDN'T have set it for AM or PM, in which case, his statement isn't false, it's just stupid... which isn't surprising coming from Homestar. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 20:43, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*<Strike>'''Decline''' because his clock might have an indicator light that is on when it is AM and off when it is PM. I mean, my clock does.</Strike> Oops. Just watched the 'toon again and realized that his clock is NOT the same as mine. I'll be more careful next time. [[User:Fizz123|Fizz123]](I'm not logged in.)
*'''Accept.''' [[User:Super Sam|Super Sam]] 08:06, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Oh, cwap! It's Declined!''' Yeah, he looks outside to tell the PM.... [[User: Lappy 486]]
*'''Accept''' The clock needs to know the difference between AM and PM. It's clear Homestar can tell the difference by looking out the window, but what good is that if he can't look until his alarm wakes him? - [[User:Song from 60s|Song from 60s]] 08:16, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second''' -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 20:06, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==== Charlie Brown ====
The view of the outside of the house (panelling and steps) is very similar to Charlie Brown's house, which may explain the departure from previous toons.

*'''Decline.''' Complete speculation. Some people don't seem to understand that H*R is a silly cartoon, not a carefully thought out parody. --24.21.86.243 23:56, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Some people don't seem to understand that H*R has elements of a carefully thought-out parody, and is not just a silly cartoon. [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:22, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]
*'''Accept.''' --[[User:racerx is alive|racerx_is_alive]] 13:21, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Neutral''' The fact is correct, but it's less likely a parody of Charlie Brown THIS time. See, it's EXACTLY the same as in [[The Best Decemberween Ever]], which has MUCH stronger Charlie Brown overtones. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:00, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Weak Decline.''' ...for the reasons stated above. Since the previous year's Decemberween toon had a very strong Charlie Brown reference, the repeated instance in this year's toon is less significant. However, if you include this item, you have to include a similar item in [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]], as the POV where Homestar is knocking on Marzipan's door is the same kind of setup as stated here. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:43, 8 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Move''' to [[Homestar's House]]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 19:54, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Anyone who declines this must not think straight, I mean come on, Homestar walks right out of his house and to the brick wall just like in "peanuts" cartoons what i'm really tring to say is this is most definatley a parody of charlie brown and whoever doesn't think so is obviously just trying too annoy people -Smoth Criminal
**'''Comment.''' You're thinking of Best Decemberween Ever - Homestar Presents: Presents doesn't have the brick wall. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]

==== Coach Z's disconnected reciever ====
Coach Z talking on an unplugged phone may be a reference to the film The Waterboy. There's a scene in which Coach Klein (Henry Winkler) talks to "grandma" on a phone and as the camera pans down, it is revealed that the phone reciever is unplugged. --[[User:TDK|TDK]]

*'''Revise, accept.''' It's plausible, but I'm not sure the high heels part is necessary. --[[User:Lyzz|Lyzz]]
**Rephrased so it isn't a question, removed the bit about high heels. --[[User:TDK|TDK]]
*'''Accept.''' This sounds more likely to me than the Salad Fingers thing. --[[User:Chrysaor|Chrysaor]]
*'''Revise, accept.''' I think that a fun fact should be listed that explains both speculations, for example: "There has been quite some speculation about Coach Z talking on his unplugged phone. Some say it is a reference to the Salad Fingers series, in which Salad Fingers uses a similar phone, and also due to the rusty steak knife, as Salad Fingers likes to touch rusty objects. Others say it is a reference to the film The Waterboy, as in one scene, Coach Klein(Henry Winkler) talks to "grandma" on a phone and as the camera pans down, it is revealed that the phone reciever is unplugged. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
**'''Comment''' Talk about bloated - that revision is a STUFF item just waiting to happen. We're working with Fun '''Facts''' here, not semi-random speculations. In any case, this is an awful lot to be posting about something as silly (pathetic?) as Coach Z talking on a disconnected phone. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*Decline It may actually be, but until TBC confirm it, it's just speculation. -- [[AnarchyBalsac]]
*'''Declined... oh, that's rough''' I've seen this joke on Married with Children too. It's probably been used a lot of other places as well. And again with the dreaded "may be"... [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 01:29, 15 May 2005 (UTC)
*Uh, I'm guessing you haven't seen The Waterboy. Look at the similarities:
*disconnected phone
*the word "Coach" in both names
*both were talking to family
*both were in a dining area
That's enough for me. '''Oh, ACCEPT, it's you.''' [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 20:49, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
*Oh, great. It's another "Change of Pace". I mean it. There is no notable difference between this and Change of Pace in my eyes. '''Decline''' for the same reason. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:54, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' Just when i sorta regained confidence in non-speculating Fun Facts. There is no notable similarity in this. Its a comic gag, not a reference. Even if it might be reference, we do not have enough proof to validate it as a "fact". In response to Jay, I don't think this will be another Change of Pace, if only because this cartoon did not come out one day after Waterboy. If that had happened it might be impossible to deflect this "fun" "reference." -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 20:09, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==== A running gag? ====
The Ah-tpoo! noise Homestar makes when spitting into the bucket has become a bit of a running gag. It starts in Halloween Fairstival with the noise he makes when he tries to hold his breath. It resurfaces again in "Montage" with his "Hi-Ya!" during the Champeenship scene. He performs another variation in "Radio" when he throws his highball glass at the radio. He exclaims "High-Ball!". (unsigned)

* '''Decline''' I'm the one who moved it here. I hear a connection, but not enough to think that it was intended as a running gag by the Brothers Chaps. --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 08:09, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)
** '''Second.''' --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 15:28, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)
* '''Agree''' I am not a user here, but I agree with you. It really should be a running gag. You're welcome, Nate(Big fan of H*RWiki)
* '''Agree''' I agree with this. I've never noticed this before, and it is indeed pretty fun to learn. -[[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]]
* '''Accept''' I noticed it to. --[[user:super orange!|super oraaaange!]]
**'''Second''' --[[homestarkid09|homestarkid09]]
* '''Revise and Accept''' I believe what the fact is TRYING to say is that Homestar uses the reverse emphasis on his action speech. For example, with "High-Ball!" from Radio, if one were winding up to throw a glass, one would exclaim, "High, BALL!" Instead, Homestar reverses it: "HIGH Ball.". He does the same in many of these two syllable action phrases. It's a character quirk that I think is straddling the line between obscurity and popularity, it's most definitely intentional, and it'll probably be back. --[[User:Noshtzy|Noshtzy]]
* '''Accept'''. Homestar likes using two-syllable exclamations. A perfectly okay fun fact. Who STUFFed this anyways??!? --[[User:kerrek_slaya|Kerrek Slaya!]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 14:43, 9 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept, but move.''' If this is a character trait (and I think the consensus is that it is), it belongs either on Homestar's page or as part of the running gags, NOT on the Homestar Presents: Presents page - especially given the three previous references. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:30, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
** '''Second''' --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 08:39, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline-pthoo''' I don't think two syllables with the same tone constitutes a gag. [[User: Lappy 486]]
**'''Second.''' This is just another nuance of Homstar's speaking style. --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 22:02, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 23:18, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
*Decline It's just a sound effect :| -- [[AnarchyBalsac]]

=== [[animal]] ===
==== Just me being picky ====
The keyboard on the lappy is placed so high on the (toon)screen, that there is no way Strong Bad could have typed on it without it showing in the toon. (Needs rewording. Badly.)

*'''Accept.''' --[[User:J to the sag|J to the sag]]
*'''Neutral''' Shouldn't this be on the Lappy 486 page? It seems unlikely that this will be confined to just "animal". --[[User:Tim333|Tim333]]
*'''Accept.''' There's something wrong with this. --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 23:30, 4 Dec 2004 (PST)
*'''Accept but Move.''' It's definitely odd, but put this on [[Lappy 486]] unless things change next email. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 16:45, 9 Dec 2004 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Ninjin Ninja|Ninjin Ninja]]
**Even more '''Second!''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:04, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**Second -- [[AnarchyBalsac]]
*'''Comment.''' The possibilities for ambiguity with this voting system are just endless, aren't they? Since it wouldn't seem fair for me to cast the deciding vote and then immediately end this, I'm going to wait for someone else to do that (if I were voting, I'd just make it more confusing and say decline; I don't understand what this guy is saying at all). --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 11:21, 1 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' I'll make it difficult... The thing is, the whole issue is quite ambiguous, since the way the perspective works, we never see the keyboard and it's possible that Strong Bad IS able to type without us seeing. See [[rock opera]] - it could be something as simple as TBC not wanting to take the time to really work out the logistics of getting SB's hands where the viewers can see them. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:31, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Standing too close to you in Decline''' --[[User: Lappy 486]]
*'''Decline.''' Maybe all y'all are over-thinking this. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 19:17, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Comment.''' At this writing, we're 11 emails into the Lappy-era. What once may have seemed "strange" is just commonplace now. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 19:23, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline- I have no idea what you are talking about.''' --[[User:Gooblies|Gooblies]] 19:26, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Second'd!''' [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 20:53, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

==== Fanglyfish ====
The Fanglyfish is Strongbad's interpertation of a real-world animal called the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglerfish anglerfish]. Apparently he's unaware that only lady anglerfish get to have the Christmas lights and lures.
*'''STRONGLY rewrite, if not decline''' The Anglerfish part is obvious. The other part might be significant, but it doesn't feel like NPOV as written. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 20:30, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite.''' "Though [[Strong Bad]] wants to be a deep sea fanglyfish, like an [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglerfish angelerfish], he doesn't know that only the females of this species get to sport the Christmas lights and lures. [[User:Fizz123|Fizz to the 123]]
*'''Accept but rewrite''' I think it is true, but take away the female lures part. --[[ User: Lappy 486]]
*'''Rewrite.''' "[[Strong Bad]]'s 'fanglyfish' is inspired by the real-world [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglerfish anglerfish]. It should be noted that, in actuality, only the female anglerfish possesses the lights and lures which Strong Bad refers to." The part about lights and lures should only apply to the real anglerfish, and Strong Bad shouldn't be blamed for lacking knowledge. For all we know, things could be different in the H*R universe. --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 22:12, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
*Decline Wether or not you're right, the fangly fish is still a made up animal. So it doesn't have to reflect nature at all. --[[User:AnarchyBalsac|AnarchyBalsac]]
*'''Accept''' but change to "only FEMALE anglerfish..."[[User:TakuaKaita600|TK600]] 22:26, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

=== [[virus]] ===
==== Drive letter ====
After Strong Bad types "deleted!" for the first time, and the blue screen appears, the drive letter disappears. This is possible, but I doubt Strong Bad knows the right command
*'''Accept''' Good catch, I didn't even catch it. --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 14:15, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise''' This is a valid goof (it COULD just be part of the viruses beginning to act), but the second line about Strong Bad knowing the right command is unnecessary. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:33, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
**Seconded Strong Bad is smart :) -- [[AnarchyBalsac]]
*I get what you're saying. But I don't like the 2nd sentence. --[[User: Lappy 486]]
*'''Strong Decline''' This happenes all the time with the Compy. --[[User:BenRK|BenRK]] 18:31, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' As far as I can tell, Strong Bad's computers don't follow the "rules" in any regular way. I didn't notice this, but if I had I would have taken it as part of the joke. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 18:49, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept'''. Its true. -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 20:12, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

====The Compy's Reign====
This email marks the end of the Compy's 78-email reign. What's interesting about this is that the Tandy was used by Strong Bad for only 40, and the Compy outlived it by almost twice that.
*'''Decline.''' This is a comment, not a fact. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 10:23, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Comment.''' Actually, leave out "What's interesting about this is that" and it's all fact. --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 07 Apr 2005
*'''Revise.''' Strike the second sentence and add a link to [[Compy 386]]. --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 07 Apr 2005
*'''Rewrite.''' "This e-mail marks the end of the Compy's 78-email reign, outliving the Tandy by almost twice as long." --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:18, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Declination''' Isnt this already noted in the page somewhere? And if not, it is a little obvious.--[[User:-erson|Posted by -erson ]] 22:52, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Rewrite''' It is gewd to tell exactly how many emails it lasted, but I'm not sure about the second part. Actually, I go with tomstiff. [[User: Lappy 486]]
*'''Decline''' I don't think that there is any significance in mentioning this. Possibly is could go on the [[Compy 386]] page instead, but definately not here. - [[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 7 May, 2005
*Decline This is way to obvious to need noting. --[[User:AnarchyBalsac|AnarchyBalsac]]
*'''Comment.''' Number one, you used "to" in the wrong context. Number two, is it really obvious? I mean, can anyone just look at the SBEmail menu and automaticaly say "Oh, there are 78 Compy SBEmails" even if they've never seen a SBEmail in their life? It's not like there's a glaring sign saying "78 COMPY SBEMAILS, 40 TANDY SBEMAILS". -- [[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 16:54, 18 May 2005
*Oh no, I said the word "to" in the wrong "context"(that word has no context BTW). Anyway I was referring to the fact that the e-mail marks the end of the compy 386, that much is obvious. As for tandy having 40 e-mails and compy having 78, that belongs on the strong bad e-mails article, not the virus one. --[[User:AnarchyBalsac|AnarchyBalsac]]
*'''Weak Accept / Rewrite''' - I also second AtionSong's vote. If you revise it by making it seem like a fact rather than just a comment, as stated above, then it comes together as a solid fact. It's not a signifigant detail, but it's worth noting. At least to me. [[User:SaikoRoxi|SaikoRoxi]] - 11:16 PM, 21 May 2005

===[[privileges]]===

====Freatmagic Kids!====
"Kids" at the end of the title may be a reference to the fact that some magazines form a spinoff magazine aimed at a younger audience and add something like "kids" or "for kids" at the end of the title, such as Sports Illustrated for Kids.

*'''Decline.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 14:06, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Complete Instant Decline''' type of instant noodles.[[User:Maestro|Maestro]] 04:42, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' What does this have do with "privileges"? --[[User:Trogga|TROGGA!]] 00:08, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

===[[flashback]]===

====Emails====
How can the Compy know that Strong Bad has answered 100 e-mails if it wasn't there to see the Tandy emails?
*'''Decline''' Number A, facts are statements, questions are... questions. And secondly, maybe Strong Bad told it somehow (it WAS there for [[50 emails]])? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:29, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' I dunno. Why does the King Of Town eat underarm deodorant? How does Homestar hold stuff without any arms? How does Strong Bad type with boxing gloves on? It's just one of those unanswerable questions that makes the H*R universe so hilarious! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 12:59, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' Maybe its a cartoon, and not reality? -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 20:15, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Deline''' Who knows, who cares? [[User:The Pardack|The Pardack]]

===[[unused emails]]===
====CDs====
This is the only time that Strong Bad actually USES a CD. He probably used The Cheat's computer.

*'''Decline.''' At least as written. An "only time" fact is always a bad fact. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:04, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==Games==

===[[Stinkoman_20X6]]===

====Different Colors====
The fact that Gaspeau (red) and Frotzer (blue) are almost the same exact enemies may be a reference to the old Zelda games where an enemy could be red or blue and that the blue version of the enemy was always harder.

*'''Decline''' "May be"s do not belong as fun facts. Besides, the Zelda series is not the only series that does that. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
**'''Second'd'''. Decline for same reasons.[[User:Maestro|Maestro]] 16:07, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second''' -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 20:16, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
**'''Comment''' Zelda isn't the only game or series of games, true; the game that sprung to mind was Super Mario Brothers 2, where several enemies had red and blue forms that affected their movement. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 19:55, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

====More Levels====
When you beat the game it will say "MORE LEVELS TO COME!".

*Far too obvious; anyone who beats the game can see that. Sure, it might be useful to anyone who can't beat the game, but it's hardly worth being listed as a "fun fact". --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Accept''' Since the game doesn't have a Transcript, this is useful information for the game's page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:38, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. Oh, and Ogog, I'm assuming that's a Decline? You never actually voted. Just a heads-up. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 17:42, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*I was going to leave it for others to decide after I explained why I moved it here, but yeah, '''Decline'''. --Ogog
*'''Weak Accept''' It doesn't seem worth pointing out, really, but I guess it's interesting. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:33, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' It is now noted in the Stinkoman 20X6 Walkthrough. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:58, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Accept & Revise''' Add that this message suggests that there might be a second Stinkoman game sometime in the future. -[[User:Miss Free Country USA|Miss Free Country USA]]
*'''Anything that discusses something that really exists in the game itself should automatically be accepted, no question.''' [[User:TakuaKaita600|TK600]] 20:05, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline'''. [[HRWiki:Once And Only Once|Once And Only Once]]. This is already in the [[Stinkoman 20X6 Walkthrough Level 4#Level 4 Boss: Saargtsson (Transcript)|transcript]], so no need for it to be here. --[[User:phlip|phlip]] 12:05, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
*Accept -- [[AnarchyBalsac]]

*By the way, I really hate people who put in facts that are: 1)Obvious, and 2) aren't FUN facts. I '''Reject, Decline, and want to delete''' this.[[User:Maestro|Maestro]] 04:47, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

====Tiny eye difference====
The right eye of CPU 1-up in level 5 and the right eye of the player's 1-up in level 5 is slightly different. (Unfortunately, I don't even know why I put this up?) If you don't believe me, go to Fanstuff.Hrwiki.org, look at cheat Stinkoman 20X6, download it, go to level 4. Then, press "U" and "3". You will see the difference.
*'''Decline.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 16:48, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Massive Rewrite'''<blockquote>The 1-Up sprites in Level 4 are slightly different to the ones in Level 5 — they were not reused, as the Stinkoman ones are.</blockquote>That second phrase could possibly go too, depending on whether people think it needs clarifying. {{User:phlip/sig}} 06:59, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== General ==

===="Crapfully yours" a running gag?====
Is this a valid running gag? I wrote up a whole article on it (in particular referencing the email where he finally informed viewers that signing emails in that way was not required) and [[User:Jay|Jay]] deleted it in the middle of the night, instead of moving it here. This action is contrary to the idea of Wiki. The article is lost forever now, but at least we can decide if the decision was right and whether it should be reposted.
* The STUFF page is for Fun Facts, not deleted articles. Anyway, the "crap" page as it formerly existed was very disorganized and included many non sequiturs. And all those redirects were unnecessary even if we'd kept it. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:07, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
** That is a matter of opinion... you haven't given any other Wiki users the chance to see it and decide for themselves. Plus, any issues would probably have been fixed by other users quickly. I think this one deserves a vote, and I'd like to know where to vote on it if not here?
*** Okay, fine. Reinstate [[Talk:Crap]] if it suits you. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:21, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' I don't even need to see the article in question to know what a load of crap it is. Its already noted in the 3 Wishes facts that Strong Bad doesn't like the "crap" signitures. A whole article is overkill. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*Yes, it's a running gag, but I don't think there needs to be a whole article about it. Maybe just list it in the running gags section or something. --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 14:24, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*It is a running gag and deserves its own page, though i agree the one that Jay deleted was poorly done. If 11.01 deserves its own page, <s>crafully yours</s> crap in all of its forms does as well --[[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 14:51, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
*'''DELORTED!''' Crapfully yours, no. Crap, maybe. Ya, crap is a running gag. Crapfully yours isn't. That's like saying ''Dear Strong Bad'' is a running gag! [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 00:44, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

boring (really)

Cyrius — Tue, 07 Jun 2005 10:09:05 GMT

Cyrius: /* Inside References */ You said doing again.

[[Image:sbemail131.png|thumb|Staring at a wall helps boredom.]]

'''Strong Bad Email #131'''

We learn how boring Free Country, USA really is. Bubs counts discount bricks.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Bubs}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|Strong Sad}}, {{Film|Coach Z}}, {{Film|Pom Pom}} (Easter egg), {{Film|The King of Town}} (Easter Egg), {{Film|Homsar}} (Easter egg), {{Film|The Poopsmith}} (Easter egg), [[Pom Pom's girls]] (Easter Egg)

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Bubs' Concession Stand]], [[The Stick]], [[King of Town's Castle]] (Easter egg)

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}

'''Date:''' June 06, 2005

'''Running Time:''' 4:44

==Transcript==

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{rapping}'' E-mail theme song! 1-2-3! A da-da-checka e-mail wit' me, SB, y'all! ''{loads the email}''

<blockquote class="lappy email">
<div>subject: bored...</div>
Dear Strongbad, 
Does it ever get boring where you live? Right now I am 
bored out of my mind. 
 
With lots of crap, 
Callie, Lake Jackson, TX
</blockquote>

''{Strong Bad says "Strobah" in place of "Strongbad," "groan" in place of "crap," and pronounces "TX" like "Tehas".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' So, you're bored out of your mind, eh? Well, you've come to the right place. Let's see what I...can do...about...that. ''{really draws "that" out, like "thaaaaaahhht"}''

''{Strong Bad exits stage left, and the screen zooms out on the Lappy. It then shows Bubs' face from very close up, and zooms out to show Bubs looking at the side of his concession stand while Strong Bad joins him. All the dialogue until Strong Sad's line is said at an exaggeratedly slow pace.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Bubs! What craziness...is going on... over here?

''{short pause}''

'''BUBS:''' Oh! Strong Bad! ''{Strong Bad begins to slowly look towards Bubs}'' You startled me! I was just counting the bricks on this side of the building! I'm up to two hundred forty-eight!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Two hundred and forty-eight! That's just a little less than two fifty!

'''BUBS:''' Yep! I remember learning that in school!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Well, take care... Bubs. I'm gonna take real, ''{camera zooms in on Strong Bad's mouth}'' real ''{camera moves back}'' tiny steps on over to the Stick. ''{exits stage right — very slowly}''

''{another short pause}''

'''BUBS:''' Be's careful!

''{The screen zooms out on Bubs; Strong Bad, still walking in tiny steps, approaches Homestar Runner standing by the Stick. Homestar isn't blinking, and his mouth is open.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' What are you... um... doing?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' I'm practicing... closing... my eyes. I'm not very... good... at it... though.

'''STRONG BAD:''' I see.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' More like... eye see.

''{Close up on Homestar closing his eyes slowly, eventually closing them completely}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Ooh! There we go! Now I see what all the fuss is about! ''{opens eyes}'' Oops, I lost it. ''{Bubs enters from stage left}''

'''BUBS:''' Two hundred and ninety six!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Wow! 
'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{simultaneously}'' What? 

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' That's just a little less... than three hundred!

'''ALL:''' I remember learning that in school!

''{Strong Sad suddenly jumps in under the influence of caffeine, interrupting "school."}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Wah-wah-wah-wait! You guys! You guys! I struck gold on the alien spaceship - I think it gave me super powers, there are wood davers everywhere!

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' So, Jackson, as you can plainly see, things move a mile a minute 'round her'. Except for that Strong Sad. That guy's a real bore. And quite a fan of Danish physicist Niels Bohr. The most aptly named of all Danish physicists. So, I hope I bored you back into your mind. And I don't mean 'bored into your mind' like REEER! Pssh pssh! ''{typed as "(awesome drilling some brains sound)"}''. That's gross. But if you're still bored, sit back, relax, and prepare to experience the fury of... me naming all the three letter words I can think of. ''{Strong Bad makes an imitation of a walkie-talkie click, then clears his throat and brings up new screen}'' Cat. The. Lob. Irk. Try. Wet. Cod. For. Her. Ebb. Egg. Goo. Elk. Ilk. ''{[[The Paper]] comes down.}'' Dog. Fat. Pat. Spy. Get. Sat. Sit. ''{screen dims}'' Wow. Man. ''{After a few seconds, the screen comes back up with many more words typed as Strong Bad continues to list words}'' Huh. Not. Sty. Eye. Pie. Tug. Gut. Gun. Sap. Asp. Pus. Job -

'''COACH Z:''' ''{record scratching noise, then from offscreen:}'' I gotta stop you there, Strong Bad. I'm pretty sure "jorb" is a four letters word.

==Easter Eggs==
* Click on "[[Wikipedia:Niels Bohr|Niels Bohr]]" to see a signed picture of him addressed to Strong Sad.
** The autograph reads<blockquote>yo yo, S² you're not BOHRN yet! ha ha!! —Nilly `16</blockquote>
* At the end, click on "try, wet, cod" for an image of a fish, with the text "Try wet cod!!! (Please, oh, please)".
* Click on "err" for a comic book drawing of Strong Bad and The Cheat.
** The comic book drawing is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Groo the Wanderer|Groo the Wanderer]], written and drawn by Sergio Aragonés.
* Click on "old, bag" to see a short scene at a party thrown by the King of Town.
*: ''{Pom Pom, the King of Town, the Poopsmith, and Homsar are standing in the King's castle with two of Pom Pom's girls. Two bags marked "[[The_King_Of_Town%27s_Food|PORK RAMBLINS]]" and "[[The_King_Of_Town%27s_Food|PORK SNAGGLINS]]" can be seen in the foreground. "It's the Weekend" can be heard in the background, as the party guests make a poor and somewhat unintelligible attempt at singing along.}''

==Fun Facts==
===Strong Bad's list of words===
<blockquote class="lappy email" style="width:525px">
] Cat, the, lob, irk, try, wet, cod, for, her, ebb, egg, goo, 
elk, ilk, dog, fat, pat, spy, get, sat, sit, wow, man, see, dew 
jib, dub, orb, pip, nob, sag, use, vat, rot, tap, wee, saw, hub, 
dag, cot, wok, biz, was, won, all, awl, owl, pug, lug, con, err, 
hug, sad, mop, pan, nip, sbu, jut, lam, sod, too, you, old, bag, 
cup, bad, hut, rom, rip, one, rue, pal, jig, sup, fez, man, tad, 
log, tis, pod, new, vew, tar, wig, yok, fix, yon, use, hag, fad, 
huh, not, sty, eye, pie, tug, gut, gun, sap, asp, pus, job 
</blockquote>
* Note that "man" is listed twice (On the second line, third word from the right, and on the sixth line, second word from the right).
*Also, there is no comma after "dew" (last word on second line).
*You can still click on The Paper and the Easter Egg'd words even when the screen fades to black temporarily.
*Sbu, vew, and yok are not words (at least in the English language).

===Inside References===
*One of the three letter words Strong Bad types is "sbu" which is a reference to [[lunch special]].
*Strong Bad says "Prepare to experience the fury of... me naming all the three letter words I can think of." in his tour guide voice from [[theme park]].
*Strong Sad getting hyped up and mentioning wood davers are references to [[caffeine]].
**This scene also re-uses the Deathly Pallor music from [[radio]].
*Coach Z commenting on "jorb" being a four-letter word is a reference to [[A Jorb Well Done]].
*The music in the "old, bag" easter egg is the music from the end credits photo montage in [[montage]].
*Strong Bad's hesitation before saying "doing" refers to [[car]]. In that email, Homestar Runner repeatedly rhymes "doing" with "boing", causing considerable frustration for Strong Bad.

===Real World References===
*Strong Sad saying he thinks he was given super powers after being taken aboard an alien spaceship is a reference to [[Wikipedia:The Greatest American Hero|The Greatest American Hero]].

===Glitches===
*The "back" link in the far lower left corner is still there after the [[Lappy 486]] fades back in.

==External Links==
*[[HR:sbemail131.html|watch "boring (really)"]]
*[[HR:sbemail131.swf|view the Flash file for "boring (really)"]]
*[http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=3628 forum thread re: "boring (really)"]

{{Strong Bad Email}}

Doreauxgard

Cyrius — Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:29:16 GMT

Cyrius: rv spelling change

[[Image:deauregard.png|thumb|right|220px|"Gonna have to bust your kneecaps if ya don't pay up!"]]
'''Doreauxgard''' is a cantaloupe with a pencil-drawn face with said pencil jabbed through his base. He is used by [[Strong Bad]] to threaten [[Bubs]] in the email "[[lackey]]."

You can also see the fruit in real life with the Homestar Puppet by finding the Easter egg in the same cartoon.

[[The Brothers Chaps]] have also made an actual puppet of Doreauxgard (with a mouth that can open and close), but he hasn't been shown on the site yet.

==Complete Filmography==
*[[lackey]] (Debut)

[[Category: Characters]]

Talk:Compy, Inc.

Cyrius — Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:44:24 GMT

Cyrius:

Apart from this article being poorly worded, I don't recall a company called "Compy, Inc" ever being mentioned explicitly in any toon. Yes, we can assume that some company made the Compy 386, and the name of that company might easily be Compy, Inc, but we can't make articles based on assumptions. Furthermore, even if we did establish that this company exists in the H*R universe, unless we had some information about the company that couldn't be concisely summarized on the [[Compy 386]] page, there's no reason for this page to exist. In other words, I'm looking for a reason not to delete this. Anybody? [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 07:59, 31 Jan 2005 (MST)

:[[animal|"The Lappy 486 by Compy."]] While the "Inc" wasn't mentioned, Compy as a company has been. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 08:07, 31 Jan 2005 (MST)

:: Can you give a referrence? -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:11, 11 Mar 2005 (CST)

:: Just happened to look at the history of this page. Cyrius placed the e-mail referrence in the comment summary. Compy is mentioned as a company in [[animal]]. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 16:06, 11 Mar 2005 (CST)

::: I also put 'animal' in that convenient link that I wrapped around the quote. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 08:44, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)

Can't say I agree with the statement that "Compy" is a play on "Commodore". I've always taken it as a play on "Compaq". -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:13, 11 Mar 2005 (CST)

:Look at [[Population: Tire]], the loading screen says Compydore 64. [[User:Venusy|Venusy]], too tired to put time and date tags

:Well ... I stand corrected. Thanks! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 16:44, 11 Mar 2005 (CST)

Bubs' Concession Stand

Cyrius — Wed, 02 Feb 2005 03:28:42 GMT

Cyrius: mention origins

[[Image:Bubs_Last_Stand.PNG|thumb|right|220px|He has tonnes of crazy crap!]]
[[Image:Conces5sion_Stand_2.png|thumb|right|220px|CANDY most dandy]]

'''Bubs' Concession Stand''' is where [[Bubs]] works. It is ''the'' place in [[Free Country, USA]] to get anything and everything. It sells hot dogs, chili dogs, slaw dogs, ketchup dogs, mustard dogs, drinks, candy, snow cones, [[Bubs' Old Pizza|old pizza]], broken computers and all types o' crazy crap. The Stand has a never-before-seen basement, as revealed by Bubs climbing some stairs in [[Broken Compy Menu]]. Information has also been released that this is one of the hangouts for the On Point Kings. ( Strong Bad, Strong Mad, The Cheat)

==Notable Events==
In [[origins]], Strong Bad tells us that the concession stand first entered the cartoon by falling from the sky. It landed on [[Se�or]] and [[Mr. Bland]], ending their comic careers and possibly their lives.

In the [[Halloween Fairstival]] Bubs turned the side into [[Bubs' Ha-Ha-Halloween Comedy Club|a comedy club]]. The store has been flooded by [[Strong Bad]] in [[lunch special]], and served as a model for [[Mr. Legarm's Bubs Stand|Mr. Legarm's Stand]] in the Strong Bad Play "Dreamaway Johnny."

==Signs==
* Usually: "Bubs' Concession Stand" with a 5 instead of an s in "conces5ion".
* [[Where My Hat is At?]]: "CANDY".
* [[A Jumping Jack Contest]],[[The Best Decemberween Ever]],[[Where's The Cheat?]]: "Concessions by Bubs".
* [[lunch special]]: Banner reading "Super Chinese Fish Buffalo Rice - Smoothies Too!"
* origins - "STAND"

[[Category: Places]][[Category: Companies]]

Talk:origins

Cyrius — Wed, 02 Feb 2005 03:19:13 GMT

Cyrius: /* The Blinking CD */

After two weeks, we finally get a new e-mail. 'origins' not only discusses The Stick, but the disappearance of [[Mr. Bland]] and [[Senor]] and why [[Strong Sad]] has a belly-button. Hilarious stuff. Keep up the good work, TBC.

Also, I can't get Homestar's bread song outta my head.

*Heh, I like Matt's "Little Strong Bad" voice.

== Strong bads parents ==

Are "mentioned" (though granted not explicitily by the brothers chaps, but they did pick the email) in the Cheat's bday email.
: So? That wasn't the first mention of them, though they've never appeared. I hope you're not intending to add this as a Fun Fact. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:26, 31 Jan 2005 (MST)
: Oh, I get it. It was a poorly-thought-out Fact that needed to be DELETED!!! Okay, yeah, the Strong Folks have been referred to before. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:31, 31 Jan 2005 (MST)
: Strong Dad and Strong Mom, eh? Where were they mentioned? I don't remember that. --[[User:Moldorma|Moldorma]]
:: [[The Secrets That I Keep]], [[the facts]], one email in [[cheatday]] (as mentioned) and likely many others. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:47, 31 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Moleskin ==
"Moleskine is a brand of pocket notebooks and sketch pads popular among trend-following artists and writers. Strong Sad mistakenly pronounces it "mole skin", whereas the correct pronunciation is "mol-a-skeen'-a"." What exactly is mole skin? It's some sort of product that can be found at pharmacies and the like, but does anyone have an exact definition? It may be noteworthy for the above fun fact. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]

:The "moleskin" you're thinking of, Ogog, is just a cotton fabric. I don't know why it's called moleskin and I'm too lazy to do the research, but I assure you contains no actual mole flesh, and has nothing to do with Moleskine notebooks. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 19:27, 31 Jan 2005 (MST)

Curses, you cut me to the swift, Ogog! [http://www.moleskine.com/eng/ Moleskine]. -- zuzu

== The moon ==

The way the moon looks in the scene with Marzipan and Homsar being glued together reminds me of Day of the Tentacle. Or Sam and Max...sadly I can't play the games right now to confirm it...

== The Blinking CD ==

Okay, I agree that the blinking CD fact has to go on the page SOMEWHERE, but it seems no one can agree where. Is it a Remark? A Goof? Should it go next to the Easter Egg? Let's try to get some general consensus. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 16:44, 1 Feb 2005 (MST)

:"[[the facts|Just weird is all]]." -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 20:19, 1 Feb 2005 (MST)

Strong Sad's iPod

Cyrius — Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:09:34 GMT

Cyrius: sp

[[Image:strongsads_ipod_screenshot.png|thumb|right|300px|The iPod]]

A portable music player [[Strong Sad]] is seen with. It has [[Strong Bad]]'s "Song About [[sibbie]]". It was also one of Strong Bad and [[The Cheat]]'s Stolen goods in [[Strong Bad Is in Jail Cartoon]]. The device has been identified as a first-generation [http://www.apple.com/itunes/ Apple iPod]. (A second-generation iPod would have "Browse" on its main menu instead of "Songs", as well as a different wheel and button layout, also, a fourth gen would not have the buttons outside the click wheel.)

==== Filmography ====

* [[sibbie]]
* [[Strong Bad Is In Jail Cartoon]]

[[Category: Electronics]]

Talk:Compy, Inc.

Cyrius — Mon, 31 Jan 2005 15:07:14 GMT

Cyrius: mentioned in animal

Strong Bad's Message Bored

Cyrius — Sat, 29 Jan 2005 14:52:42 GMT

Cyrius: rv spam

[[Image:Strong Bad Message Bored01.png|thumb|right|220px|I'm so Bored!]]
The '''Strong Bad Message Bored''' was a fan bulletin board accessible through the [[Email]] menu. This board did not require registration, and the interface was very basic.

== The Main Stuff ==

A common occurrence on the board was for someone to post that they had found a new easter egg by clicking on the 'O' in Message Bored, even though this egg had already been found and catalogued by the various fan groups of the time. The email "[[invisibility]]" makes fun of this by having the discarded [[Tandy 400]] divulge the "secret" of the message bored "O".

The features of the message bored were simple -
*A [http://web.archive.org/web/20021017074146/homestarrunner.com/msgboard.mv?parm_func=showpostform Post Message] feature.
*A [http://web.archive.org/web/20021216203609/homestarrunner.com/msgboard.mv?parm_func=showsearch+parm_starting_root=1 Search] feature.
*And "Ja Rules" -
(the one's that matter)
**1. Be cool.
**2. Be awesome.
**3. Be hilarious.
**4. Don't be stupid.
(the boring ones)
**5.You can use HTML in the body of your messages.
**6.Look, if a message says it's from me, then it really is. I totally delete all imposters, man.

Break a rule and get booted out. 

== The End of the Message Bored ==

As the site grew in popularity, a newer more advanced message board was created at <nowiki>http://bored.homestarrunner.com</nowiki> but was closed citing overwhelming response within the first day of existence. Here is what [[The Brothers Chaps]] put up -

<tt>YOU GUYS WENT NUTS!!
Okay, so we kinda underestimated the response the new bored would get. In the span of just a few hours, about a thousand people registered. That rules! Unfortunately, we didn't have stuff configured to handle that kinda slammage. So bear with us while we figure something else out. Until then, enjoy Strong Bad's Message Bored Games. If you don't know, ask the Tandy. </tt>
*They then posted all the icons availabe in posting when the board was up-
**[[Homestar Runner]]'s face.
**Homestar's face with the sunglasses from [[Main Page 3]].
**[[Pom Pom]] bouncing.
**[[Strong Bad]]'s face.
**The [[Strongbadia]] [[Stop Sign]].
**[[Marzipan]], swinging her hair back and forth.
**Strong Bad, shaking his head.
**[[Strong Mad]]'s upper body.
**[[The Poopsmith]]'s face.
**[[Coach Z]], beginning to puke.
**[[The King of Town]]'s Old Castle.
**The King of Town's face.
**[[Homsar]]'s face.
**[[The Cheat]], showing his gold tooth.
**[[Stinkoman]], jumping up and down.
**Another Homestar face.
**Another Strong Bad face.
**[[Marshie]].
**[[Trogdor]].
"Ask the Tandy", is again, apart of "invisibility".

==Easter Eggs==
*Roll over Strong Bad's head to hear him say three different things.
**"Ohhhh, I'm so bored!"
**"!derob os m'I ,hhhhO"
**"Why don't you post something already?

*Click on the "O" in "Bored" to access three secret games.
**[[Armless Invaders]]
**[[The Cheat's Smoking Challenge]]
**[[Nighttime Driving Type Game]]

==Fun Facts==
*As Matt and Mike divulge in one of the DVD commentaries, one of the regulars of the old Strong Bad Message Bored was a certain Pablo, most well-known for sending in the email that was the basis for [[flag day]].

*When the bored was up, different messages were displayed on the main page-
**"Welcome to the Message Bored. Eternally runnin on empty."
**"Welcome to the Bored. The proof isn't the taste!"

*The second thing Strong Bad says when you roll over his head is the first thing he says backwards.

==External Links==
* See the [http://www.homestarrunner.com/boredgames.html page] 
:'''Page Title:''' Remember what the Tandy Told You.'''
* View the [http://www.homestarrunner.com/superbored.swf flash file] 
* View the [http://web.archive.org/web/20021017101343/homestarrunner.com/msgboard.mv?parm_func=showmain+parm_starting_root=1 original message bored] (archive) 
:'''Page Title:''' Strong Bad's Message BORED
* View the [http://web.archive.org/web/20030524065544/bored.homestarrunner.com/ new bored] after it closed (archive) 
:'''Page Title:''' There's Too Many of Them!!!

[[Category: Character Websites]]

The Poopsmith Evolution

Cyrius — Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:06:03 GMT

Cyrius: correct some formatting problems.

{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! Image !! Info !! Created !! Appearances !! What's Changed?
|-
| [[Image:Crowd.JPG|220px|]] || First Poopsmith || 2000 || [[Marshmallow's Last Stand (toon)| Marshmallow's Last Stand]]|| The first appearance of The Poopsmith
|-
| [[Image:KoT_People.PNG|220px]] || Later Poopsmith || ??? || [[The King Of Town DVD]] || Head turned slighly, outlines dfferent, lip less jutting out.
|-
| [[Image:poopsmith.PNG|220px]] || Current Poopsmith || ??? || Character Page || Grey hairs, darker feet, darker gloves, different color poop on gloves
|}
{{stub}}
[[Category: Character Variations]]

User talk:Jay/Archive3

Cyrius — Fri, 21 Jan 2005 06:07:35 GMT

Cyrius: /* Jay talk page comment */

This is how I would arrange "Fun Facts" sections. The facts in question have all been taken from the [[animal]] e-mail. Some that I would rather not keep were not included for the sake of this page.
:I think that you split them right, but there seems to be something special about the title "Fun Facts" that distinguishes it from "Trivia". Basically, are people going to want to weed through all of this in order to get to the interesting stuff? Or maybe I should say, put Explanations first and Trivia second. [[User:Fun Facts Avenger|Fun Facts Avenger]]
:: I agree that perhaps the "Trivia" section should be split or trimmed, but I don't know how to explain the split in a way everyone will agree on. As for the order, that was totally arbitrary. Anyway, I'd like some more general approval before making any vast changes to the whole site. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 02:22, 7 Jan 2005 (MST)
:::The only problem is the amount of time this will take. I'm hoping that my plan to split the fun facts into "verified Fun Facts" and "Other things of interest" is a start, and will be helpful down the road. [[User:Fun Facts Avenger|Fun Facts Avenger]]
::Actually, I think I know how to split it, though I'm not sure that you'll agree with me on it. "Remarks" points out general things about the H*R universe (pertaining to the 'toon in question, of course), while "Trivia" is the more nitty-gritty (and, in your opinion, likely "boring") stuff. I also removed a Fun Fact (I'm pretending it got moved to the Lappy page). And yes, I know it would take a while to do this to all the already-made pages, much less to get the newbies to honor the individual categories, but if more people agree on it, we can work together to get it done faster. If we even agree on it, BTW. PS, anyone seeing this on the Recent Changes page is more than welcome to give their opinions. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 02:35, 7 Jan 2005 (MST)

Jay, did you REALLY have to split the email pages that had only one or two fun facts? That just makes things a lot more cluttered as far as layout goes. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 10:16, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

: Yes I did. Consistency. And it's not THAT cluttered, compared to the way that the newer emails used to be. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 10:45, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

==The Alphabetization==

It's a good thing you finished doing the alphabetizing on the Nicknames page. It wasn't that I didn't know about the "the" rule as it applies to general alphabetizing, it's that 1) I wasn't entirely sure if the "the" would count as an official part of the nickname, and 2) I wasn't sure if going by the "the" rule would have somebody or another going "NO NO NO YOU DID IT ALL WRONG STUPID." (which is also why I didn't follow the last-name rule for all of the nicknames that had last names) --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 21:52, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)

:{shrug} I understand that. Actually, the re-alphabetizing of They Might Be Giants was actually to cover MY stupid mistake (putting the new one at the end, as is my habit) and then the "the" rule kinda occured to me. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 22:04, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)

==PROPOSED EDIT TO THE STANDARDS PAGE==

The order of the items and the exact wording of them is subject to change.

=== Easter Eggs ===
An easter egg (or just "egg" for short) is a secret part of a toon that can only be accessed by performing a particular action (e.g. clicking on a particular word or object) during a toon or by waiting for awhile after the toon has "ended".

Easter eggs should be listed in chronological order (that is, the order in which they are accessible in the toon).

===Explanations===

This is the category for explanations of anything non-obvious within the toon. Jokes are not to be explained here, unless they are obscure. Any direct references must also be placed in the proper categories rather than here.

===Trivia===

Trivia is just what it sounds like - trivia about toon. This is, in general, more "nitty-gritty" than what goes into the "Remarks" category. Examples of proper trivia are the first appearance of items that are future regular appearances, notes on the length or size of the toon, or just mentioning something that happened in the toon specifically that is unusual.

===Remarks===

A remark is something notable about the toon itself, usually concerning the plot, the characters, or relation to other toons (but aren't direct references). Opinionated remarks or criticisms of the toon are not to be placed here or anywhere else.

Remarks should not be extremely obvious. If something is obvious to 95% of the audience (including first-time viewers), then it does not belong on the page. If a Remark is questionably interesting, or questionably factual, please see [[HRWiki:STUFF]] for instructions.

===Goofs===

A goof is a mistake made in the toon concerning the plot, generally in the form of a plot hole. As a note, seeming plot holes concerning minor comments made in previous toons should go in the "Remarks" category.

===Glitches===

A glitch is an accident in the Flash software that is not connected with the plot. For instance, if clicking on the trigger for an Easter Egg quickly causes the sound to stop, that is a glitch.

Flash Byproducts are NOT allowed, unless noted humorus or something extra. A Flash byproduct is something odd or strange in an .swf version of a toon. This can include missing parts of characters, different things "outside the wall", etc. (See [[HRWiki:FAQ|The FAQ]] for more information).

===Inside References===

And inside reference is a non-regular character, item, or plot element that returns from an older Homestar cartoon. (Do not forward-reference in this category; that is, do not refer to the re-appearance of an item in a toon that had not been created. If it is significant, it can be included in the "To Be Continued..." category.)

===Real-World References===

A real-world reference is a reference to anything other than a Homestar cartoon. The mention of a famous person's name, an appearance of an actual product, or the quoting (or mangling) of a real quote all constitute real-world references.

===To Be Continued...===

If a minor object or plot element in the toon - or the toon itself - is referred to later, you can place it in the "To Be Continued..." category if it is relevant.

For all of the above categories, please refer to the General rules above, particularly the prohibition on conversational style, and place all facts at the bottom of the appropriate list, please.

==EXAMPLE==

(The facts in question were taken from [[animal]]. Not all facts from animal were included.)

==Explanations==
*The Christmas lights he mentioned on the fish refer to [[Wikipedia:Bioluminescence|bioluminescence]], which is used by various deep sea creatures to attract prey, among other functions.
*The fact that there is less than five minutes in the Lappy's battery may be due to the fact that the emails last less than five minutes!

==Trivia==
*This, obviously, is the end of the [[Compy 386]] era and the beginning of the [[Lappy 486]] era.
*The table has been re-drawn by [[TBC]], with thinner lines and no shadow along the back edge. You can see the obvious difference between this and [[virus]]. ''Note: This could go in Remarks as worded, or remain in Trivia with some re-wording''
*Strong Bad's mention of "Christmas lights" is one of the few references to Christmas on the site, since Christmas is replaced by [[Decemberween]].

==Remarks==
*It looks like all Strong Bad has to do for an email to be "DELETED!" is type "ALT-D" -- as it shows on the bottom of his screen.
*The wall behind the computer had been expertly mended, leaving no seams or cracks. It is impossible to tell where the shot entered the wall after destroying Compy in [[virus]].
*Despite its supposed portability, the Lappy is plugged into the same socket that both Tandy and Compy used to occupy -- which is good, since well over 75% of its battery life would have been exhausted during the email. However, we never see Strong Bad plug in the Lappy. The Lappy was plugged in after Strong Bad cut away from the speculations back to the computer room.
*Strong Bad refers to [[The Paper]] as a male, yet in the email [[invisibility]] the [[Tandy 400]] says that the printer is a girl.
*One of Strong Bad's picks of animal accessories and options is listed as "Segmented Eyes," although he evidently meant "[[Wikipedia:Compound eye|Compound Eyes]]" in his trademark lingo.

==Goofs==
*In the deep sea fangly fish part, Strong Bad adds a back deck for dinner and dancing. However, this is not on the back of the deep sea fangly fish in the Easter Egg.
*Since the proboscis is where the monstrosity's nose should be, it shouldn't prevent him from speaking at all, but it does anyway.

==Inside References==
*The Lappy was mentioned in the commentary on the DVD for the email [[invisibility]] when the Tandy was replaced by the Compy.
*Strong Bad's pronunciation of "lure" when envisioning the fangly fish comes from [[lures & jigs]].
*The eerie, breezy sound at the beginning originated in [[ghosts]]. It is re-used in [[The System Is Down]] and [[Not the 100th Email!!!]]

==Real-World References==
*The deep-sea fangly fish looks like an [[Wikipedia:Anglerfish|Anglerfish]].
*The Cheat swimming around in the sea looks like the yellow submarine from the classic animated movie (starring The Beatles), [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063823/ Yellow Submarine].
*Another one of Strong Bad's animal accessories picks is a 15 Year Drivetrain Warranty. This is probabbly a reference to the car company [http://www.toyota.com Toyota's] Powertrain Warranty program.

== Fast Forward ==

Hi there Jay. I don't think the "Fast Forward" section heading you've been using to clean up the fun facts is clearly descriptive enough. ("Fast Forward? I can fast forward this thing?") Do you think there's a better name for it? "Later references"? "Mentioned in"? I don't really have any good ideas, but just something that's actually describes what is in the section should be fine. Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:41, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

* "Fast Forward" was actually Kamek's name. The above examples call it "To be continued..." I think it's a good name, but yeah, I can see where it might be confusing to someone else. Hmmm... --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 20:21, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Jay talk page comment ==

Dear Jay,

Did you know So and So's t-shirt has Strong Sad's face on it?

[[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 17:07, 20 Jan 2005 (MST)

WOW! NO WAY! I hadn't noticed that! In no way is that already in the transcript that I wrote the first draft of in the first place! --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 17:15, 20 Jan 2005 (MST)

[[fingers|Frustration of frustrations! It's all they ever add!]] -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 23:07, 20 Jan 2005 (MST)

User talk:Jay/Archive3

Cyrius — Fri, 21 Jan 2005 00:07:25 GMT

Cyrius: Jay talk page comment

Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 8

Cyrius — Tue, 18 Jan 2005 06:24:26 GMT

Cyrius: /* "Inexplicably"? */

==My comments==
'''I'm 90% sure that's Heartbreaker, i listened to it twice to make sure, if this is true I would say that the 16 hour drumsolo is more of a reference to John Bonham's extensively long drum solos.'''

'''(What about Cheat Commandos?) '''

: I don't count that, myself.

'''This is the only Teen Girl Squad issue to date with no appearance of the man with the big mouth. '''

: What about Mrs. So-and-so-erson? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 04:49, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

actually, i believe the Kissyboots song is supposed to be Communication Breakdown, but the last three notes are faster than the rest...

== Three-necked guitar? ==

I'm no guitar expert (heck, I HATE all genres of popular music), so I used Google. The only picture of a three-necked guitar I found had the three necks parallel. Both Cheerleader's guitar and the Future Retro guitar have the necks non-parallel. In fact, the necks are arranged quite similarly. I would say that HSR (the nonesuch of Flash cartoons) has made a definite reference to Animusic (the nonesuch of music). [[User:mathgrant|mathgrant]] 12:24, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Check out the pics [http://www.jemsite.com/axes/model/vai_triple.htm here]. --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 12:29, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

:: Uh-oh. Those are way too similar. Does that mean TBC made a reference to Steve Vai? KILL THEM! ANIMUSIC RULES! ALL OTHER MUSIC SUCKS! [[User:mathgrant|mathgrant]] 12:34, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

:::Whoa, slow down there, hot tub. No need to foam at the mouth about this. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 15:34, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

== "Inexplicably"? ==

:''inexplicably drawn wearing a derby, sunglasses, a moustache, a tie, and smoking a cigar''
That looked vaguely like a Blues Brothers reference to me. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 12:57, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::You know, the Blues Brothers immediately sprang to mind (I'm from Chicago, after all), but neither of them had a moustache. I think it was just a general "I'm so cool" defacement from Strong Bad. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 22:04, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

Like I said, it was kind of vague. It seems too close to be a coincidence and yet too far to be deliberate. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 23:24, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

== About the Goofs section ==

*During Kissy Boots' first practice session, both What's Her Face and Cheerleader are playing basses, possibly Fender basses, judging from the arrangement of string keys.

It seems the 'goof' above is more of a (not so) fun fact rather than a mistake or goof. Can someone explain why there is a "goofs" section for a cartoon based a bunch of drawings supposedly from Strong Bad? I always considered goofs as something strictly associated with movies. That is, goofs are mistakes made during filming of a movie that aren't caught or fixed before the final version. --[[User:The Paper|The Paper]] 15:29, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

** I didn't include the fact in question and did kinda wonder about its inclusion in the "Goofs" category. However, I did create the Fun Facts sub-categories, so I will defend the Goofs section in and of itself. A Goof is what happens when the Bros. Chaps make a mistake (not a Flash mistake, as that would be a Glitch, but a continuity or plot error). The above fact isn't really a "Goof", and I question that the twelve/twenty-sided die fact is a Goof (though it's closer), but yes, Goofs can and do happen in H*R cartoons. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 15:37, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

Talk:1-Up

Cyrius — Tue, 18 Jan 2005 03:43:38 GMT

Cyrius: /* Name */

Note: Stop making non-canon (not from the cartoons) additions to the 20X6 pages.--[[User:Hysterical Woman|Hysterical Woman]] 13:41, 11 Dec 2004 (MST)

=== Name ===

When did TBC ever call him "1-up Extra Man"? Someone please provide a link to wherever they said this. [[User:Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]

:I've never seen TBC call him that, but "1up" is the entry immediately following "stinkoman" in [http://www.homestarrunner.com/weeklies/weeklies.xml weeklies.xml]. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 20:43, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

Talk:Doreauxgard

Cyrius — Tue, 18 Jan 2005 03:41:28 GMT

Cyrius: /* Deauregard vs. Doreauxgard */

You guys spelt it wrong. :(

:How should it be spelt? We will fix it [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 10:46, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

:My thoughts on spelling: There is a Beauregard Parish in Louisiana, and Toregard seems to be a Swedish last name. "Doregard" looks to me like the first syllable should sound like "door", whereas "Deauregard" looks like the first syllable should sound like "dough". It sounds like people in [[lackey]] pronounce the first syllable as "dough". [[User:Mister Mister|Mister Mister]] 19:26, 5 Dec 2004 (MST)

== Deauregard vs. Doreauxgard ==
For those of you wondering what happened to "Deauregard", much less "Doregard", you can rest assured that we finally have the official say on the TBC-sanctioned spelling of our favorite cantaloupe's name: If you take a look at [http://www.homestarrunner.com/weeklies/weeklies.xml weeklies.xml] (you may have to go to View > Source in your browser to avoid the XML error) and scroll down toward the bottom of the list of character names, you'll see quite clearly the name "Doreauxgard". [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

:This is so cool. Good work Jones. Remember when some people thought it started with a "T"? Wow, those were the days.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:19, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::That list raises a further question. Who's 1up? -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 19:50, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::"1up" is [[20X6 Homestar]], whose real name is rumored to be 1-Up ExtraMan (or similar). [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:18, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

:::I suspected as much, given his absence from the list. I'll go make a note over on that page's talk page for future reference. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 20:41, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

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Cyrius — Tue, 18 Jan 2005 03:33:16 GMT

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Teen Girl Squad Issue 8

Cyrius — Tue, 18 Jan 2005 03:13:29 GMT

Cyrius: move Intercom link

[[Image:TGS8.PNG|thumb|Our "heroines" meet So and So's stepmom.]]

The girls join the Battle of the Bands.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Cheerleader]], [[So and So]], [[What's Her Face]], [[The Ugly One]], [[Tompkins]], [[The Man with the Huge Mouth]]/[[Mrs. So-and-so-erson]], [[Pom Pom]], [[Intercom]], [[Fatty's Big Chance]], [[Strong Bad]] (easter egg)

'''Page Title:''' Soopa Groop

'''Date:''' January 17, 2005

==Transcript==
'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' Teen Girl Squad! Cheerleader! ''{top 40 hits!}'' So and So! ''{hooked on classics!}'' What's Her Face! ''{college radio!}'' The Ugly One! ''{listens to pine bark!}''

''{The girls are sitting at their desks in class. What's Her Face's desk has no legs.}''

'''INTERCOM:''' And lunch today will be a breadtangle of pizza. Don't forget the battle of the bands this Friday. Tompkins, point your rear end in the direction of the principal's office.

'''TOMPKINS:''' ''{offscreen}'' Awww, peas!

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Y'hear that girls??

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' Pizza belongs in a triangle!

'''SO AND SO:''' ''{hearts over head and drooling awkwardly}'' That Tompkins is SUCH a renegade!

'''CHEERLEADER:''' ''{inexplicably drawn wearing a derby, sunglasses, a moustache, a tie, and smoking a cigar}'' No yous guys! The battle of the bands! ''{back to normal}'' We can form a band and become...

'''ALL:''' WORLDWIDE STARLETS!!

'''THE UGLY ONE:''' Worldwide starlets get much boys!

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Or so I have read. Obviously, I'll sing and pretend to play guitar.

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' Can I not get stuck playing bass?

'''CHEERLEADER, SO AND SO and THE UGLY ONE:''' NO WAY!!

'''SO AND SO:''' We'll be called "Smartly Pretty".

''{we are shown a CD case with "Smartly Pretty" written in pseudo-mathematical notation}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' ''{vomits}'' Augh! Bleh! Ewww! Grugh! No. We're called "Kissy Boots"!

''{a CD case which says "Kissy Boots" and features a huge pair of lips with cowboy boots is shown}''

'''SO AND SO:''' We can practice after school in my step-mom's walk-in closet!

''{Cut to an image of a man carrying a rock that reads "after school".}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' After school!

''{Cut to So and So's step-mom's walk-in closet, as evidenced by a large rack of clothes.}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Your stepmom has questionable taste.

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' And like a million jogging suits.

''{So and So's step-mother appears from behind the clothes rack. "She" appears to be The Man with the Huge Mouth.}''

'''SO AND SO'S STEP-MOM:''' YOU LITTLE BRATS BEST SHUT YER YAPS!!!

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Yes Mrs. So-and-so... -erson.

''{Mrs. So-and-so-erson vanishes. The girls' instruments appear.}''

'''SO AND SO:''' Count us off, The Ugly One.

'''THE UGLY ONE:''' One, two, three and a four.

'''CHEERLEADER:''' ''{singing as the other girls play}'' Ooncha ooncha! One, two, three-cha! We're Kissy Boots and it's nice to meetcha! Ooncha ooncha! One, two, three-cha! Gonna get a breadtangle of pizza!

'''THE UGLY ONE:''' 16 hour drum solo!

''{She starts playing the drums and scatting along, until a large floor tom eats her head.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' FLOOR TOMMED!!!! ''{Mrs. So-and-so-erson returns and pours "Ranch Dress" over The Ugly One and the floor tom}'' STEP-MOMMED!!!

''{Cut to a romantic dinner setting where The Ugly One, with the drum still engulfing her head, stands opposite Pom Pom, who holds a single rose.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' POM-POMMED??

''{Cut to a huge mouth with "BATTLE OF THE BANDS!!!" written on its teeth.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' BATTLE OF THE BANDS!!!

''{Cut to the school auditorium, where the Intercom (mounted on a robot body) stands on stage with a microphone, and a handful of stick-figure heads compose the audience.}''

'''INTERCOM:''' Alright, give it up for "Fatty's Big Chance."

''{A large man, presumaby Fatty, with a saxophone and checkered pants appears from stage right.}''

'''FATTY:''' Pick it up! Pick it up! Hup! Hup! Pick it up! Pick it up!

''{Fatty vanishes.}''

'''INTERCOM:''' Next up is "Kissyboots".

''{Cut to Cheerleader and What's Her Face, probably back stage. Cheerleader holds a heart-shaped guitar with three necks and What's Her Face has a bass.}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Where is So and So? We can't play the hits without her!

''{Cut to So and So in a dressing room. Her hair is dyed black and she wears an black t-shirt with Strong Sad's face on it and heavy black makeup.}''

'''SO AND SO:''' I'm going with that gloomy keyboardist look I keep hearing about!

''{A group of trolls enter the dressing room.}''

'''TROLL:''' KRA'AGH! KLEET'OH BRANGH CHE'EKOH TAGHQ?

'''SO AND SO:''' My autograph? Why sure!

''{A huge twenty-sided die lands on her from above.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' TWELVE SIDED DIED!! ''{without text}'' Whoa, that's rough.

''{Back in the auditorium, Cheerleader and What's Her Face are the only ones on stage.}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' I'm Kissyboots and she plays bass. One, two, three, and a four!

''{They start playing. What's Her Face's guitar suddenly turns into a shark.}''

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' My bass feels seaworthy.

''{The shark eats the entire upper half of What's Her Face in one JGHOWMP!}''

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' OW! My most of me!!

'''CHEERLEADER:''' ''{indicating the shark}'' Dis my new backup band... a shark. One, two, three, and a four!

''{Cut to the end title which reads "it's over!". Cheerleader sings over it and the lyrics are shown at the top of the screen.}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' It's over! It's over! Strong Bad says it's over! It's over! It's over! Everybody died 'cept me!! ''{a chomping sound is heard.}'' Aw, crap!

==Easter Eggs==
*At the end, click the "o" to see a breadtangle, breadpazoid, breadallelogram, and brhombus of pizza (click each one to see the next. Click the brhombus to go back to the IT'S OVER! screen.)
*Click the "!" to see what happened to Tompkins.

===Transcript===
''{Tompkins and Strong Bad are sitting in the principal's office. Strong Bad has a sign on his desk reading "PRINICPAL" [sic] and has a sega cartridge saying "Road Rash."}''

'''TOMPKINS:''' Aw, come on prinicpal (pronounced as prin-IC-pal) Strong Bad. I only stole ONE Sega tape!

'''STRONG BAD:''' That's just it, Thompkins... You could have stolen UPWARDS of one Sega tape.

'''TOMPKINS:''' Awww PEAS!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Kid, I think youre gonna turn out... HGHJHGHAAAALL right!

==Fun Facts==
=== Trivia ===
*This is the only Teen Girl Squad issue where all four girls clearly die.
*This is the first appearance of a main character (namely, Pom Pom) in a Teen Girl Squad issue (Outside of an easter egg).
*Judging from how the girls hold their guitars, What's Her Face is left-handed and Cheerleader is right-handed.
*So and So appears twice in this issue with two sharp teeth.

*This is one of the few TGSes where Strong Bad doesn't shout, "It's Over!" at the end.

=== Goofs ===
*The die that crushes So And So is a 20-sided die. Twelve-sided dice have pentagonal faces.
*During Kissy Boots' first practice session, both What's Her Face and Cheerleader are playing basses, possibly Fender basses, judging from the arrangement of string keys.

=== Inside References ===
*"Ooncha ooncha one, two, three-cha" and Tompkins are from [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 7]].
*Sega tapes are also mentioned in [[anything]].
*The "-erson" tacked onto Mrs. So and So's name is done the same way that it was tacked onto Mrs Commandersons' name in [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 7]]. Other "ersons" appear in [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4|Issue 4]] ([[Brett Bretterson]]), "[[the process]]" (Emerson), and the [[Strongbadia National Anthem]] (Mr. Cheaterson).
*When So and So talks about Tompkins being a renegade, she has an expression on her face reminiscent of [[Doreauxgard]] in [[lackey]].
*What's Her Face being labelled as "College Radio" is probably a reference to [[radio]].

===Real-World References===
*"Breadtangle" refers to cafateria pizzas which are rectangular in shape, and very bready.
*"Fatty's Big Chance," or at least Fatty, is the stereotypical [[Wikipedia:Ska|Ska]] musician, with a shaved head, checkerboard pants, and a chant of "pick it up, pick it up."
*Fatty's Big Chance could also be a reference to the [http://www.goonland.com Goonland] character "Fatty Big Eye"
*One of The Ugly One's drums bears the inscription, "Mr Drummond", who was a character in the 80's TV show, "Different Strokes". It may also have been a reference to Bill "King Boy" Drummond of the techno band [[Wikipedia:The KLF|The KLF]].
*The Sega "tape" Tompkins steals in the easter egg is "Road Rash". Road Rash was a Sega Genesis game where you race on motorcycles and knock other racers off their motorcycles by punching them or using clubs.
*The Intercom, who introduces the battle of the bands, may be a reference to [[Wikipedia:Saved by the Bell|Saved by the Bell]], where the character Screech creates a similar-looking robot friend.
*The speakerbox as the robots head may be a reference to Roundhouse, an early '90s [[Wikipedia:Nickelodeon (TV channel)|Nickelodeon]] skit comedy show.
*The song the girls play sounds like the beginning to "Communication Breakdown" by [[Wikipedia:Led Zeppelin|Led Zeppelin]].
*Cheerleader's three-necked guitar is a reference to [http://www.jemsite.com/axes/model/vai_triple.htm Steve Vai's guitar]. Incidently, Steven Vai is the subject of the article in today's The Onion page-a-day tear-off calendar.
*The "16 hour drum solo" could be a reference to the infamous middle section of the 60s psychadelic rock hit "[[Wikipedia:In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida|In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida]]" by Iron Butterfly, which features an almost ridiculously long drum solo and is recognized as one of the first such solos of its kind in rock music.
*Cheerleader's close-up of her with a hat, moustache, glasses, and a tie is probably a reference to the attire of the Blues Brothers, a film about two men who start a band.
*The shark that becomes part of Cheerleader's band at the end may be an homage to the classic Hanna-Barbera cartoon [[Wikipedia:Jabberjaw|Jabberjaw]].
*The goblins and the 12-sided dice are most likely references to the RPG [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeons_and_dragons Dungeons & Dragons]

== External Links ==
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/tgs8.html watch "Teen Girl Squad Issue 8"]
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/tgs8.swf view the flash file for "Teen Girl Squad Issue 8"]
*[http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=1770 forum thread re: "Teen Girl Squad Issue 8"]

{{Teen Girl Squad}}
[[Category:Teen Girl Squad]][[Category:Cheerleader Filmography]][[Category:The Ugly One Filmography]][[Category:So and So Filmography]][[Category:What's Her Face Filmography]][[Category:Pom Pom Filmography]][[Category:Strong Bad Filmography]][[Category:Tompkins Filmography]]

Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 8

Cyrius — Tue, 18 Jan 2005 03:12:08 GMT

Cyrius: /* "Inexplicably"? */ that was me

==My comments==
'''I'm 90% sure that's Heartbreaker, i listened to it twice to make sure, if this is true I would say that the 16 hour drumsolo is more of a reference to John Bonham's extensively long drum solos.'''

'''(What about Cheat Commandos?) '''

: I don't count that, myself.

'''This is the only Teen Girl Squad issue to date with no appearance of the man with the big mouth. '''

: What about Mrs. So-and-so-erson? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 04:49, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

actually, i believe the Kissyboots song is supposed to be Communication Breakdown, but the last three notes are faster than the rest...

== Three-necked guitar? ==

I'm no guitar expert (heck, I HATE all genres of popular music), so I used Google. The only picture of a three-necked guitar I found had the three necks parallel. Both Cheerleader's guitar and the Future Retro guitar have the necks non-parallel. In fact, the necks are arranged quite similarly. I would say that HSR (the nonesuch of Flash cartoons) has made a definite reference to Animusic (the nonesuch of music). [[User:mathgrant|mathgrant]] 12:24, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Check out the pics [http://www.jemsite.com/axes/model/vai_triple.htm here]. --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 12:29, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

:: Uh-oh. Those are way too similar. Does that mean TBC made a reference to Steve Vai? KILL THEM! ANIMUSIC RULES! ALL OTHER MUSIC SUCKS! [[User:mathgrant|mathgrant]] 12:34, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

:::Whoa, slow down there, hot tub. No need to foam at the mouth about this. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 15:34, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

== "Inexplicably"? ==

:''inexplicably drawn wearing a derby, sunglasses, a moustache, a tie, and smoking a cigar''
That looked vaguely like a Blues Brothers reference to me. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 12:57, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

== About the Goofs section ==

*During Kissy Boots' first practice session, both What's Her Face and Cheerleader are playing basses, possibly Fender basses, judging from the arrangement of string keys.

It seems the 'goof' above is more of a (not so) fun fact rather than a mistake or goof. Can someone explain why there is a "goofs" section for a cartoon based a bunch of drawings supposedly from Strong Bad? I always considered goofs as something strictly associated with movies. That is, goofs are mistakes made during filming of a movie that aren't caught or fixed before the final version. --[[User:The Paper|The Paper]] 15:29, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

** I didn't include the fact in question and did kinda wonder about its inclusion in the "Goofs" category. However, I did create the Fun Facts sub-categories, so I will defend the Goofs section in and of itself. A Goof is what happens when the Bros. Chaps make a mistake (not a Flash mistake, as that would be a Glitch, but a continuity or plot error). The above fact isn't really a "Goof", and I question that the twelve/twenty-sided die fact is a Goof (though it's closer), but yes, Goofs can and do happen in H*R cartoons. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 15:37, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

Intercom

Cyrius — Tue, 18 Jan 2005 03:11:40 GMT

Cyrius: more

The '''Intercom''' is a feature of the Teen Girl Squad's school. It is responsible for announcing things like the school lunch and that Tompkins needs to go to the principal's office.

It was last seen mounted on a robot body, hosting the Battle of the Bands. Fatty's Big Chance and the Teen Girl Squad (as "Kissyboots") were some of the contestants.

== Filmography ==
* [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]]

[[Category:Teen Girl Squad Characters]]

Robot Teacher

Cyrius — Tue, 18 Jan 2005 03:07:07 GMT

Cyrius: Robot Teacher moved to Intercom

#REDIRECT [[Intercom]]

Teen Girl Squad Issue 8

Cyrius — Tue, 18 Jan 2005 03:06:32 GMT

Cyrius: the head of the robot at the battle of the bands is the intercom from the beginning of the cartoon

[[Image:TGS8.PNG|thumb|Our "heroines" meet So and So's stepmom.]]

The girls join the Battle of the Bands.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Cheerleader]], [[So and So]], [[What's Her Face]], [[The Ugly One]], [[Tompkins]], [[The Man with the Huge Mouth]]/[[Mrs. So-and-so-erson]], [[Pom Pom]], Intercom, [[Fatty's Big Chance]], [[Strong Bad]] (easter egg)

'''Page Title:''' Soopa Groop

'''Date:''' January 17, 2005

==Transcript==
'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' Teen Girl Squad! Cheerleader! ''{top 40 hits!}'' So and So! ''{hooked on classics!}'' What's Her Face! ''{college radio!}'' The Ugly One! ''{listens to pine bark!}''

''{The girls are sitting at their desks in class. What's Her Face's desk has no legs.}''

'''INTERCOM:''' And lunch today will be a breadtangle of pizza. Don't forget the battle of the bands this Friday. Tompkins, point your rear end in the direction of the principal's office.

'''TOMPKINS:''' ''{offscreen}'' Awww, peas!

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Y'hear that girls??

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' Pizza belongs in a triangle!

'''SO AND SO:''' ''{hearts over head and drooling awkwardly}'' That Tompkins is SUCH a renegade!

'''CHEERLEADER:''' ''{inexplicably drawn wearing a derby, sunglasses, a moustache, a tie, and smoking a cigar}'' No yous guys! The battle of the bands! ''{back to normal}'' We can form a band and become...

'''ALL:''' WORLDWIDE STARLETS!!

'''THE UGLY ONE:''' Worldwide starlets get much boys!

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Or so I have read. Obviously, I'll sing and pretend to play guitar.

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' Can I not get stuck playing bass?

'''CHEERLEADER, SO AND SO and THE UGLY ONE:''' NO WAY!!

'''SO AND SO:''' We'll be called "Smartly Pretty".

''{we are shown a CD case with "Smartly Pretty" written in pseudo-mathematical notation}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' ''{vomits}'' Augh! Bleh! Ewww! Grugh! No. We're called "Kissy Boots"!

''{a CD case which says "Kissy Boots" and features a huge pair of lips with cowboy boots is shown}''

'''SO AND SO:''' We can practice after school in my step-mom's walk-in closet!

''{Cut to an image of a man carrying a rock that reads "after school".}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' After school!

''{Cut to So and So's step-mom's walk-in closet, as evidenced by a large rack of clothes.}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Your stepmom has questionable taste.

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' And like a million jogging suits.

''{So and So's step-mother appears from behind the clothes rack. "She" appears to be The Man with the Huge Mouth.}''

'''SO AND SO'S STEP-MOM:''' YOU LITTLE BRATS BEST SHUT YER YAPS!!!

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Yes Mrs. So-and-so... -erson.

''{Mrs. So-and-so-erson vanishes. The girls' instruments appear.}''

'''SO AND SO:''' Count us off, The Ugly One.

'''THE UGLY ONE:''' One, two, three and a four.

'''CHEERLEADER:''' ''{singing as the other girls play}'' Ooncha ooncha! One, two, three-cha! We're Kissy Boots and it's nice to meetcha! Ooncha ooncha! One, two, three-cha! Gonna get a breadtangle of pizza!

'''THE UGLY ONE:''' 16 hour drum solo!

''{She starts playing the drums and scatting along, until a large floor tom eats her head.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' FLOOR TOMMED!!!! ''{Mrs. So-and-so-erson returns and pours "Ranch Dress" over The Ugly One and the floor tom}'' STEP-MOMMED!!!

''{Cut to a romantic dinner setting where The Ugly One, with the drum still engulfing her head, stands opposite Pom Pom, who holds a single rose.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' POM-POMMED??

''{Cut to a huge mouth with "BATTLE OF THE BANDS!!!" written on its teeth.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' BATTLE OF THE BANDS!!!

''{Cut to the school auditorium, where the Intercom (mounted on a robot body) stands on stage with a microphone, and a handful of stick-figure heads compose the audience.}''

'''INTERCOM:''' Alright, give it up for "Fatty's Big Chance."

''{A large man, presumaby Fatty, with a saxophone and checkered pants appears from stage right.}''

'''FATTY:''' Pick it up! Pick it up! Hup! Hup! Pick it up! Pick it up!

''{Fatty vanishes.}''

'''INTERCOM:''' Next up is "Kissyboots".

''{Cut to Cheerleader and What's Her Face, probably back stage. Cheerleader holds a heart-shaped guitar with three necks and What's Her Face has a bass.}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Where is So and So? We can't play the hits without her!

''{Cut to So and So in a dressing room. Her hair is dyed black and she wears an black t-shirt with Strong Sad's face on it and heavy black makeup.}''

'''SO AND SO:''' I'm going with that gloomy keyboardist look I keep hearing about!

''{A group of trolls enter the dressing room.}''

'''TROLL:''' KRA'AGH! KLEET'OH BRANGH CHE'EKOH TAGHQ?

'''SO AND SO:''' My autograph? Why sure!

''{A huge twenty-sided die lands on her from above.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' TWELVE SIDED DIED!! ''{without text}'' Whoa, that's rough.

''{Back in the auditorium, Cheerleader and What's Her Face are the only ones on stage.}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' I'm Kissyboots and she plays bass. One, two, three, and a four!

''{They start playing. What's Her Face's guitar suddenly turns into a shark.}''

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' My bass feels seaworthy.

''{The shark eats the entire upper half of What's Her Face in one JGHOWMP!}''

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' OW! My most of me!!

'''CHEERLEADER:''' ''{indicating the shark}'' Dis my new backup band... a shark. One, two, three, and a four!

''{Cut to the end title which reads "it's over!". Cheerleader sings over it and the lyrics are shown at the top of the screen.}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' It's over! It's over! Strong Bad says it's over! It's over! It's over! Everybody died 'cept me!! ''{a chomping sound is heard.}'' Aw, crap!

==Easter Eggs==
*At the end, click the "o" to see a breadtangle, breadpazoid, breadallelogram, and brhombus of pizza (click each one to see the next. Click the brhombus to go back to the IT'S OVER! screen.)
*Click the "!" to see what happened to Tompkins.

===Transcript===
''{Tompkins and Strong Bad are sitting in the principal's office. Strong Bad has a sign on his desk reading "PRINICPAL" [sic] and has a sega cartridge saying "Road Rash."}''

'''TOMPKINS:''' Aw, come on prinicpal (pronounced as prin-IC-pal) Strong Bad. I only stole ONE Sega tape!

'''STRONG BAD:''' That's just it, Thompkins... You could have stolen UPWARDS of one Sega tape.

'''TOMPKINS:''' Awww PEAS!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Kid, I think youre gonna turn out... HGHJHGHAAAALL right!

==Fun Facts==
=== Trivia ===
*This is the only Teen Girl Squad issue where all four girls clearly die.
*This is the first appearance of a main character (namely, Pom Pom) in a Teen Girl Squad issue (Outside of an easter egg).
*Judging from how the girls hold their guitars, What's Her Face is left-handed and Cheerleader is right-handed.
*So and So appears twice in this issue with two sharp teeth.

*This is one of the few TGSes where Strong Bad doesn't shout, "It's Over!" at the end.

=== Goofs ===
*The die that crushes So And So is a 20-sided die. Twelve-sided dice have pentagonal faces.
*During Kissy Boots' first practice session, both What's Her Face and Cheerleader are playing basses, possibly Fender basses, judging from the arrangement of string keys.

=== Inside References ===
*"Ooncha ooncha one, two, three-cha" and Tompkins are from [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 7]].
*Sega tapes are also mentioned in [[anything]].
*The "-erson" tacked onto Mrs. So and So's name is done the same way that it was tacked onto Mrs Commandersons' name in [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 7]]. Other "ersons" appear in [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4|Issue 4]] ([[Brett Bretterson]]), "[[the process]]" (Emerson), and the [[Strongbadia National Anthem]] (Mr. Cheaterson).
*When So and So talks about Tompkins being a renegade, she has an expression on her face reminiscent of [[Doreauxgard]] in [[lackey]].
*What's Her Face being labelled as "College Radio" is probably a reference to [[radio]].

===Real-World References===
*"Breadtangle" refers to cafateria pizzas which are rectangular in shape, and very bready.
*"Fatty's Big Chance," or at least Fatty, is the stereotypical [[Wikipedia:Ska|Ska]] musician, with a shaved head, checkerboard pants, and a chant of "pick it up, pick it up."
*Fatty's Big Chance could also be a reference to the [http://www.goonland.com Goonland] character "Fatty Big Eye"
*One of The Ugly One's drums bears the inscription, "Mr Drummond", who was a character in the 80's TV show, "Different Strokes". It may also have been a reference to Bill "King Boy" Drummond of the techno band [[Wikipedia:The KLF|The KLF]].
*The Sega "tape" Tompkins steals in the easter egg is "Road Rash". Road Rash was a Sega Genesis game where you race on motorcycles and knock other racers off their motorcycles by punching them or using clubs.
*The [[Intercom]], who introduces the battle of the bands, may be a reference to [[Wikipedia:Saved by the Bell|Saved by the Bell]], where the character Screech creates a similar-looking robot friend.
*The speakerbox as the robots head may be a reference to Roundhouse, an early '90s [[Wikipedia:Nickelodeon (TV channel)|Nickelodeon]] skit comedy show.
*The song the girls play sounds like the beginning to "Communication Breakdown" by [[Wikipedia:Led Zeppelin|Led Zeppelin]].
*Cheerleader's three-necked guitar is a reference to [http://www.jemsite.com/axes/model/vai_triple.htm Steve Vai's guitar]. Incidently, Steven Vai is the subject of the article in today's The Onion page-a-day tear-off calendar.
*The "16 hour drum solo" could be a reference to the infamous middle section of the 60s psychadelic rock hit "[[Wikipedia:In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida|In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida]]" by Iron Butterfly, which features an almost ridiculously long drum solo and is recognized as one of the first such solos of its kind in rock music.
*Cheerleader's close-up of her with a hat, moustache, glasses, and a tie is probably a reference to the attire of the Blues Brothers, a film about two men who start a band.
*The shark that becomes part of Cheerleader's band at the end may be an homage to the classic Hanna-Barbera cartoon [[Wikipedia:Jabberjaw|Jabberjaw]].
*The goblins and the 12-sided dice are most likely references to the RPG [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dungeons_and_dragons Dungeons & Dragons]

== External Links ==
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/tgs8.html watch "Teen Girl Squad Issue 8"]
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/tgs8.swf view the flash file for "Teen Girl Squad Issue 8"]
*[http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=1770 forum thread re: "Teen Girl Squad Issue 8"]

{{Teen Girl Squad}}
[[Category:Teen Girl Squad]][[Category:Cheerleader Filmography]][[Category:The Ugly One Filmography]][[Category:So and So Filmography]][[Category:What's Her Face Filmography]][[Category:Pom Pom Filmography]][[Category:Strong Bad Filmography]][[Category:Tompkins Filmography]]

User talk:Tom

Cyrius — Tue, 18 Jan 2005 03:01:31 GMT

Cyrius: Wikipedia

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==Jones being funny==
Yarr!! - [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 23:05, 16 Jul 2004 (MST)

==Seethroo with some questions==
Heya, [[User:Tom|Tom]]. Do you ever check this thing?
What's goin' on with the Wiki? It seems to be going nuts. ~ [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]

:Yes, I do. And yeah, it's under some strain right now. Crazy. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:51, 2 Aug 2004 (MST)

Cool, cool. I'm gonna be able to help move stuff tonight. [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]

:Sweet. I appreciate it. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:41, 3 Aug 2004 (MST)

Hey, is there any particular reason I CANNOT get onto Recent Changes on the oldschool wiki? It's seriously gettin' on my nerves. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:03, 6 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I'm guessing it's just the mySQL overload we've been experiencing. Yeah, bummer. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:05, 6 Aug 2004 (MST)

Woah. I added a pantload...but there are still some organizational things that need to be hammered out...I guess check the comments I made in various places...I'm tired... -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 23:11, 6 Aug 2004 (MST)

HOLY CRAP! Who're all those people blocked from this wiki??? I didn't know you were doin' that much blocking already! - [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:34, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Yeah, those are open proxies. You can see the note [[Template:BlockedProxy|here]] and Joey's and my discussion of the topic [[Template talk:BlockedProxy|here]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:47, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

----

I wanted to do that for old times sake. Anyway, I kinda discovered something to make transferring things much easier. If you take the code from 'Tavi pages, put em in Word, and then do a ctrl-f, you can have it replace all the parentheses with brackets. Doing things that way, I can get all my links straightened out before I even put the text in MediaWiki. Just sharing... -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:44, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Yeah, I do the same thing, except I use TextPad. It helps a bunch. Mostly. Just have to be a little careful. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:48, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

::How're all my edits and transfers? Is there something wrong that I'm doing that I need to be aware of? (did I just say "doing"? -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:54, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::You, my friend, are doing a great job. You're really keeping things moving along. Keep up the good work. I'm seriously thinking you are the man right about now. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:24, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

==Note from Firebird==

Just wanted to say thanks for all the work put into the move. Great Job! -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:You're welcome. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:08, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Redirects ==

Tom: I'm seeing some deletion of redirect pages on the deletion log. It looks like most of those pages will not be missed, but it does help to have some "common" misspelling articles redirect to the proper article. This is not for sloppy linking , as no pages SHOULD link to a redirect page. This is for people who come to the site, punch in a name into the search box and are taken to the correct page.

There is always some debate over what constitutes a common misspelling. I created a redirect from Whats her face to What's her face. This seems useful to me. Let me know what you think about this. [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 15:42, 15 Sep 2004 (MST)

:I agree. The ones I've been trying to catch are old links that were not fixed correctly during the move. Things like "MainPage 10" that were used instead of "[[Main Page 10]]" becuase of CamelCase on 'Tavi. The person who created that redirect then went ahead and created one for "MainPage 11", even though nothing linked there. I don't see the need for 21 pages to be created like this. Another example is "sbemail1" and its companions. There isn't a need for that.

:Of course, you also have to remember that we turned on case-sensitivity. That means that "[[What's Her Face]]" and "What's her Face" are also two completely different pages. I'd rather that a link show up in red and someone pick up on their mistake right away then have them continue to make links to redirect pages. But I suppose it would be very hard to keep a lid on things like this once we get going. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:55, 15 Sep 2004 (MST)

::Oh, Contraire! I have often wanted to be able to quickly type "sbemailxx" into the search box to find something quickly. I agree that old camel case links should be removed, but I see nothing wrong with shortcut redirects for the lazy. (I was actually thinking of adding these the other day, then stumbled across this thread. Sorry I'm a little late joining the discussion.) :) --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 22:37, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

==Note from Jones==
''[copied and pasted from [[User:Tom]]]''

I'm just so sick of you being at the top of [[Special:Wantedpages]]. So there. Now you're unwanted. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 07:49, 3 Sep 2004 (MST)

:Thanks Jones. I feel so loved. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:08, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

==Notes from Maudi==
''[both were copied and pasted from [[User:Tom]]]''

Thank God that you made it, Tom! Thank God! -Maudi Algabban

:I agree! -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:08, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

Hey, Tom! Have you listened to "Dragostea din tei" with Haiducii or O-Zone? They're from Romania. -Maudi --[[User:193.150.221.247|193.150.221.247]] 16:28, 19 Sep 2004 (MST)

:Sorry, I have to admit that I still haven't. Have you made a userpage yet? Heh heh. But seriously, I know there's [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=193.150.221.247 some stuff] that needs to be attributed to you by being on your userpage. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:08, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Note ==

Oh geez, man, it looks like I disambiguated a page you deleted. Took too long doing it, I guess. I'm really sorry about that. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 19:40, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

:No problem, I can just re-delete it. And I appreciate you leaving this note. It makes me feel good. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:41, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Oh Man ==
''[In reply to a comment from [[User_talk:Thunderbird_L17]]]''

All that work... I'm really sorry. I was trying to figure out why all my pics looked slightly off. Oh well. I've switched over now. I just wish I hadn't deleted them as I went along... Oh well. I think I'm still doing ok for only being here about a week. Again, my apolagies. And they'll all be PNG from now on. Btw, if you could provide me with a list of the JPG pictures I uploaded, I could replace them in my spare time. Thanks.

-Thunderbird

:Hey, no problem. Here's a [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Thunderbird_L17 good place] to get started. Then there's always the [[Special:Imagelist|Image List]]. I think that might work best. And I can come up with a better list if you need it. And I'm glad you can see the difference. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:03, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)

UPDATE:

Topic Complete.

All of my uploaded JPG files are now PNG. Took a bit of doing, but it's done.

== Sebastian Coe ==

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Coe 
''He first ran against Ovett in Prague in 1978 in an 800 meter race that neither won. The next year in Oslo, Norway, '''Coe set his first world records''' (in the 800-meter and '''mile races'''). One of the most famous races between Ovett and Coe was in the 1980 Olympic Games in the 1500-meters. Coe won in Olympic Record time.''

=== Further References ===
From http://www.geocities.com/hotsprings/3257/coe.html 
''He beat Ovett's mile record, running it in 3 min 48.53 sec on August 19; only a week later '''Ovett set another mile record, which was then shattered by Coe''' with a 3 min 47.33 sec run on August 28.''

Here are some of his times in the mile: 
''mile <nowiki>3'48''95</nowiki> 1979 Wr (Oslo)'' 
''mile <nowiki>3'48''53</nowiki> 1981 Wr (Zurich)'' 
''mile <nowiki>3'47''33</nowiki> 1981 Wr (Bruxelles)'' 
Note: Wr stands for World Record.

One final reference: http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/World%20record%20progression%20for%20the%20mile%20run 

And a quote from you; 
:''"Hmm. [Coe] didn't really run the mile. And he never had the world record."'' 
Could you please cite your references?? As far as I can tell, he not only ran the mile, he also held the world record on ''three'' seperate occasions.[[User:Hobophobic|<nowiki>~</nowiki>Hobo]]

::Um, my bad. But you did notice that I changed my edit after that edit you quoted me on, right? And that I was being particularly ambigious in my wording? Anyway, you are right. No hard feelings. Thank you. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:13, 22 Sep 2004 (MST)

:So, were you gonna change it back then? [[User:Hobophobic|<nowiki>~</nowiki>Hobo]]

::Done. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:13, 23 Sep 2004 (MST)
:Thanks [[User:Hobophobic|<nowiki>~</nowiki>Hobo]]

== Idea ==

How about desktop background downloads for the wiki? Anyone who wanted to create one could, then e-mail one of the admins the image. Then the admin, if approved, could upload it into the wiki images. It's just an idea, but I like the sound of it. I'd love to have an HRwiki background. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:Hmm. I don't think so. The problem is this, the Wiki is just for information. If you want to make something on your own and then have it somewhere that you could link to from your userpage, that would be better. See, we kind of tread on this uneasy ground with copyrights and the like. Not only that, but there's also the content issue. I know a background that you would make would most likely be good and wholesome for the Wiki and for Homestar Runner, but I wouldn't want to encourage other not-as-good backgrounds to be made. You are always free to make your own backgrounds, keep them to yourself, use them on your computer, and do what ever you want with them.
:As of right now, I'll say this: I don't think you will ever have an official Homestar Runner Wiki background. But I'll ask around and see what I can do. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:43, 22 Sep 2004 (MST)

::That's fine with me. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

== Floppy Disks ==

Since you apparently look after the floppy disk section mostly, I figured you would be the best person to ask. How do you feel about a picture of the floppy disk container and it's label beside every listing of it in the inside jokes section? I would be happy to complete that undertaking if you approve. Also, is there anywhere else I could add some pictures? I'm finished the rejects section.

-Thunderbird_L17

:[http://old.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=Floppy+Disk+Container%2FStrongBadEmailDiskLabels Floppy Disk Container/StrongBadEmailDiskLabels]. Check it out. The problem is this: the Wiki is text-based, and information provided through text makes things much easier to search and quicker to load. I'm not really sure that having a screenshot of every different one is needed. Why would it need to be seen by the viewer? Could they simply watch the toon or email instead? One thing that really needs to be done regarding The Container is having the links to the page standardized. Every Fun Facts section on every email and toon that has The Container in it should link to the Floppy Disk Container page in a uniform way. You could get started on that, if you want. And then there's what the disks actually reference. There's a subpage of the Old Wiki page on that needs to be copied over and gone through with a fine-tooth comb.
:Regarding the images, you kind of need to convince me why they are actually needed. Thanks for asking though, this has really gotten me thinking. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:31, 22 Sep 2004 (MST)

Well since you already have the list of where the disk case occurs, it should be easy to find the toons to put the link in. I'll get on it later. As far as the floppy images go, I don't think they're NEEDED per-say, but I think it would be kinda cool. It lets people really VISUALIZE the floppys. They would be really small pics too, not full screen. But if you don't want them I won't put them there. As for other pics though, I have been kind of going through the sites putting pictures on everything, if you don't like any of them, feel free to take them off. I just think that any character, object, or place does need a picture to really visualize what the afforementioned thing is. Most of the pages I did only have one or two pics, with the exceptions of The [[King of Town's Castle]] place page, and the [[Tandy_400]] computer page. I kinda may have gone overboard on those ones. Look 'em over and decide. The [[Monkey_D]]'s page also have a few. If you don't like them you can fix them how you see fit. But the widescreen pic in [[Strong_Bad's_Basement]], I'm really proud of that pic. It took me awhile. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 22:24, 22 Sep 2004 (PST)

:Those four pages that you linked to are good. And that basement image is especially good. In some places, it borders on the line of being to much, but I think you played it well. They also could use some small tweaks, but that will all come in good time. As for The Floppies, I think you can make a seperate section on the page for the images and organize them in a table. I actually have all the images, and I can upload them later if you want to use them. (I use them for [http://members.lycos.co.uk/tfpreuss/avatar/avatar.php my avatar] on the forum.) What do you think of that? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:11, 23 Sep 2004 (MST)

Okay, it's up and running..ish. Access it from the regular floppy list. If you have the images, feel free to upload them. Any that you don't have, or don't feel like uploading, I can them. Just upload what you want, and I'll do the rest. Oh, and how do you feel about the naming of images in the Floppy_*name_of_e-mail*.PNG uniformity? You can name then however you want, but I think there should be some form of uniformity in naming the image files. Just tell me if this is okay, and if you're done uploading the images you want. Also, they should all be fullscreen screenshots, right?

[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 11:10, 27 Sep 2004 (PST)

Alrightie. Update on the floppy disk container. I've been slowly working away at the Floppy disk container with screenshots page, no help needed there, but as I do so I realized another thing missing from the floppy disk container section, and an actual USEFUL thing, is a breif description and history of the games listed on the floppy disk containers. So that being said, I'm also plugging away at that in my little corner of the floppy disk page. If you would like the commentaries on the main floppy disk page too, which I think would be useful, please let me know so that I can add them to both pages as I go along. No rush though, it'll probably be a few weeks before I'm finished researching them and all. Let me know if you think this would be an improvement to the floppy disk page though. Generally I don't ask permission for editing things, but since you're the senior and keeper of the floppy disk container, I thought it was only fair to ask you. So what are your thoughts?

[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 9:45, 6 Oct 2004 (PST)

:I do like the information on what the labels mean, and I wouldn't really call them commentaries. They are all pretty clear cut. Let's see how big they get and then play it from there. Keep them on that screenshot page for now, I don't want to violate [[HRWiki:Once And Only Once]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:44, 7 Oct 2004 (MST)

Hiho. I've run into a roadblock doing the pics. In the e-mail 'lackey', how did you read, let alone get a picture, of the CD case? It's off the screen! Please let me know, or if you have the pic, simply save it as Floppy_lackey.PNG . Please let me know either way whenever. Thanks.

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 10:37, 11 Oct 2004 (PST)

:I used a program called [http://www.flash-decompiler.com/ Flash Decompiler]. It's a free download, so you might want to give it a try. Though I wasn't able to export the actual image, I was able to read the text. But you might have better luck than I did.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:41, 11 Oct 2004 (MST)

Sorry, I don't like treating you like an FAQ, I just have ONE last question. (Probably)...
I have the program, but how do you get the file onto it? It seems like you can only decompile files on your harddrive. Is this so? If it is, how do you get a flash file (SB E-mail Lackey) onto your hard drive? If it isn't, how do you get it from the interent? Last question, probably. I promise. Likely.

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 7:33, 13 Oct 2004 (PST)

:Down the bottom of each toon's or email's page, there's a link for the flash file. Just right click and choose "Save Link As..." or your browser's equivalent.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:57, 14 Oct 2004 (MST)

Thanks, I got it. What do you think of my floppy for Lackey? It's the best I could do... Anyways, I wanted to ask you about the once and only once policy. Though I agree that it's a good policy, I think that the 'see above' thing destroys the look of the summaries, especially once they are all finished. Plus, 'Manhunter New York' appeared in an e-mail at the top, then a toon way at the bottom. So it would be kind of hard to just say 'see above'. Plus since the picture is repeated, why not the explanation? You are the moderater, and whatever you decide I'll abide by, but in this case, since it's only for about 4 floppies, a number that's not likely to be increased, could I just repeat the explanations?

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 6:28, 15 Oct 2004 (PST)

:You know, I do like the idea of having the information on both. Let's try using a tempate instead. Do you think that will work?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:33, 15 Oct 2004 (MST)

Template? I don't know much about website formating or whatnot. Basically everything I do on the Wiki I learn by looking at how somebody else wrote a code, and then copying that pattern. But if you think the template or whatever will work, go ahead. You were right about floating the pictures to the left, making it into tables, all that kind of thing. Just do what you want, and if I disagree I can always revert. But overall I'm happy with what you do. Does this mean that I can put the repeat explanations on the few pictures though, instead of 'see above'?

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 23:49, 15 Oct 2004 (PST)

:Okay, here's what I did. I created [[Template:tongue of the fatman]], [[Template:lode runner]], and [[Template:manhunter new york]]. Check out the page to see if you like it. Now, there's only one place you need to go in order to change the content that will show up for both floppies.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 07:41, 16 Oct 2004 (MST)

Okay, that works. I don't really plan on editing them much anyways anymore, once the summary is there. But it looks exactly the same, so it's fine. Btw, I fixed the out of place 3.5 inch disk summary, I found a place for it where it fits nicely. Now nothing has two explanations, and the 5.25 inch disks don't have the same summary twice. (See Second 5.25 Inch Disk Summmary)

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 9:09, 16 Oct 2004 (PST)

:Very good. Well done.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:10, 16 Oct 2004 (MST)

Hey, can you do the same to Cave Quest (100th e-mail) that you did to Shogun? I can't get it the right size without it pixelating...

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 18:33, 17 Oct 2004 (PST)

:Heh heh. I already did. You can revert back to my image from [[:Image:Floppy flashback.PNG|here]] if you like.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:42, 17 Oct 2004 (MST)

Hey Tom, I thought JPG format was to be used for videos and pictures, and PNG for all flash material. Plus I think the JPG looked clearer and brighter. If you really don't want it there, then I'll try another way, but I thought I read somewhere that JPG was preferable for pictures, just not for flash. Is the one JPG really that bad? Please clarify. Thanks.

[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 06:30, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

:Ah ha. There's a little catch here though. We are talking about a screenshot of a movie or image, and not the actual image itself. Screenshots should always be PNGs. The only kinds of JPGs we should have are photos like [[:Image:TheBrothersChapsBandW.jpg]] or [[:Image:mattchapman.jpg]]. Perhaps an screenshot like [[:Image:puppetdween.png]] better illustrates what I'm trying to say.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:35, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

Okay, I getcha. Then I guess I'll just put it back on the old PNG one for now. Thanks. I guess if anything, it adds diversity...

[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 19:08, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

Alright, I think it's finally done. I have one more little task though that I can't complete on my own. The three templates, Template:manhunter_new_york , Template:lode_runner , and Template:tongue_of_the_fatman are now unneeded, and as such should be deleted, right? I can't figure out how to. If you know of a way, be my guest. Or should they just be left peacefully, until the end of time? -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 09:40, 1 Nov 2004 (MST)

Sorry, I was just going to get breakfast when I finished my summary, and when I finished it I realized there was a stored version that wasn't there when I started. I didn't have time to merge them so I just uploaded mine, and I was going to merge them when I got the chance, which is now. I did notice the picture though, and already put it up. Sorry about that, I don't want to offend anyone. I'm going to merge them right now. I just figured if I put mine in quickly yours is still stored as a past edit, so that way they're both there if needed. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 12:21, 15 Nov 2004 (MST)

Actually, I never thought about NPOV. While I was doing all this, I used reviews as sources, it's easier to just take the opinions of the writers and condence them. But I think that meathod has given the summaries a multi purpose, to now give you a bit of background about the game for curiosity's sake, but also as a type of mini review, for those who are deciding whether or not to find and play them. It gives the summaries a critical and reviewish type feel. Now to go back and do them all NPOV'D would take some doing, and in my opinion I don't think would be as enjoyable to read. What do you think?
'''Side Note:''' Since they replaced the 5.25's along with the Tandy, do you think they might replace the 2.5's with CD's along with the comp? I dunno, just a curious little observation.

--[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 15:05, 15 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Return the fanstuff! ==
I'd like a promise to agree to let me bring back the fanstuff. It doesn't make the wiki complete without it.--[[User:No Loafing V2|No Loafing]] 16:34, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)

:Joey has already [[User_talk:JoeyDay|replied to this demand]]. Fanstuff is [[HRWiki:About|not approved]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:11, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)
then im leaving. GOOD BYE!--[[User:No Loafing V2|No Loafing, who will only be on the forum from now on.]] 04:57, 1 Oct 2004 (MST)

Wow. What a crybaby. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:43, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

I second that. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 09:42, 1 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Rollbacks ==

Exactly how do you roll a page back to its previous version? I've attempted to do this in the past, and I still haven't figured out how. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 19:28, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)

:A very good question. I just fixed up the instructions on the [[WikiTroll]] page yesterday. Check 'em out.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:32, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)

== First time Here? on Log in ==

Is there anyway to link to the [[Hrwiki:About|about]] page on a log in page? It seems that people don't read that page, and it might help new users who log in? Do you agree? -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:Hmm, that's a pretty good idea. I'll look into that. But what might even be better is if we had some sort of [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Welcoming_committee|welcoming committee]]. Would you want to be in charge or something like that?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:55, 7 Oct 2004 (MST)

::I think it would be great if we had a welcoming committee (and I wouldn't mind being in charge). -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:::Fantastic, I'm happy to hear it. Just look over what Wikipedia does. We don't need all that stuff, but I'm sure you'll find a way to adapt it for us.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:50, 7 Oct 2004 (MST)

::::Should I make a page for our own little welcome committee? -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:::::Yeah, [[Hrwiki:Welcoming committee]] should work nicely. You're in charge, buddy.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:58, 7 Oct 2004 (MST)

== SB Email categories ==

I moved the [[:Category: Strong Bad Email]] as a sub-category of [[:Category: Strong Bad Filmography]]. All the emails were in both categories when technically all SB Emails are part of his filmography by default. It cleans up the Strong Bad filmography nicely and keeps the all the emails grouped together. There is only one email that SB is not in, but due to this arrangement will still be included in his filmography, but taking the IMDB as a guide, if someone guest hosts the "Late Show with David Letterman" it is called "Late Show Backstage", but it still shows up on Dave’s filmography. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 09:01, 12 Oct 2004 (MST)

:Personally I don't think this really makes sense. An email that Strong Bad is not in should not be in his Filmography, despite what IMDb does. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

::I agree. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:::I also found it a bit confusing. Strong Bad, Homestar, and Marzipan are in all of [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]s, but I don't think that should be a sub-category of any one of their filmographies. I think it would not be confusing to have every email be directly in Strong Bad's Filmography, except [[anything]], just how it was. It would also be less confusing for someone just looking at any email and thinking to themselves, "Oh, this one isn't listed in Strong Bad's Filmography", since it does not show up directly on the page as it is now with the subcategory. That's really what it comes down to, that [[:Category: Strong Bad Filmography]] does not show up on the emails. Oh, and the "anything" thing too.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:56, 12 Oct 2004 (MST)

:::Funny, the IMDB is a suitable guide to determine the precedent for a voice over. To me the Filmography categories are proving to be more trouble then they are worth and a misapplication of the original intent of the category structure. I understand wanting an automatically generated list for the 12 main characters that show up in everything, but it seems from all the other character pages that the Wiki users are more than capable of manually tracking the appearances of even the most obscure psudo-characters.

The stucture:
<pre>Character->Filmography->Strong Bad Filmography->Strong Bad Email</pre>

:::makes a lot of sence to me. SB is in all but one email, which can be explained by a note. If having 100+ emails cluttering the SB filmography and being unnessicarily duplicated in the email list and in the email category doesnt bother you, then it wont bother me.

:::I guess I should get going on [[:Category: Biscuit Dough Hands Man Filmography]] while I'm at it. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 12:15, 12 Oct 2004 (MST)

::::Your presentation just now does make a bit of sense. I'll have to see what others think. Though on that other issue, as I understood it, the filmography categories were never supposed to be extended beyond the 12 main characters. Somewhere along the line, this was not explained well enough and the whole thing took off. I think there's over fifty filmographies now. I'd be happy to draw a line somewhere. ([[:Category:The_Alien_Guy_Filmography]]?)[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:24, 12 Oct 2004 (MST)

== Thank you!!!!!!!1111oneone ==

Thank You x 1 Billion [[User:Hobophobic|<nowiki>~</nowiki>Hobo]]

:Hey, no problem.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:07, 15 Oct 2004 (MST)

== Help Page ==

I'm confused on where to post questions in the [[Help:Contents|help]] section. Do we post it on the FAQ Discussion page or somewhere on the Main Page of the help section? -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:The [[HRWiki_talk:FAQ|discussion page of the FAQ]]. Discussion and "talking" should never really be on a page. The headings on the [[Help:Contents|help]] page were set up by me back in late July and we never really fleshed them out. I'll fix it now. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:20, 19 Oct 2004 (MST)

No Problem. And Thanks. -- [[USer:FireBird|FireBird]]

==Notes from The Mysterious Stranger==
Hello, Tommy-boy. I'm back, and in buisiness.
-- [[User:Mysterious-Stranger|Mysterious-Stranger]]

==Subpages==
If there are subpages, we should use them. Anybody agree? (You have too or else, TOM!)--[[User:No Loafing|No Loafing]] 05:31, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

No. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:Subpages are useful, but only for the right kinds of stuff, like adding an archive to a cluttered talk page, or some ''temporary'' user space separate from the rest of your user space for, say, a rewrite of a page. - [[User:furrykef|[[User:furrykef|furrykef]] ([[User_talk:furrykef|Talk at me]])]] 09:56, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Who's In Charge Of The Main Page Anyways? ==

Hiho. I'm not getting much of a response on the [[Talk:Main Page|Main Talk Page]], so I figured I'd go straight to the source, assuming that the source(s) are moderators. Anyways, here's my question. Who's in charge of the Main Page, not so much the look of it, I don't really care about that, but moreso the organization of the links to pages. Now I'm no moderator, but I was curious as to why the links are organized the way they are. Why are Inside Jokes part of Wiki Stuff, Yet Songs part of Knowledge Base? I've been thinking about the layout, and I belive I've figued out a good way of sortage, and am hoping for either a yes or a no. Either one, as long as I can maybe get some kind of explanation as to why they're sorted the way they are, should the answer be a no. Anyhoo, without further ado, I give you my sorting idea...

Basically it consists of the Knowledge Base containing ONLY the things listed on the H*R main page(s), and putting everything left over into Wiki Stuff. It would look something like this, and would have the added bonus of evening the two sections out, leaving External Links on the bottom...

(The Knowledge Base Stuff)

* [[Toons]]
** [[Strong Bad Email]]
** [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]
** [[Teen Girl Squad]]
** [[Powered By The Cheat]]
** [[Puppet Stuff]]
** [[Holiday Toons]]
* [[Games]]
* [[Characters]]
* [[Downloads]]
* [[Store]]
* [[Email]]
* [[Legal]]
* [[Main Pages]]
** [[Weekly Fanstuff]]
** [[Quote of the Week]]
** [[Sketchbook]]
* [[Museum]]
* [[Secret Pages]]

Then this to the right of it: (Perhaps the first part even in an additional section?)

* [[Places]]
* [[Items]]
* [[Songs]]
* [[Quotes]]
* [[Glossary]]
* [[Inside Jokes]]
* "Rejects"
(Perhaps another section here?)
* [[Special:Listusers|List of registered wiki users]]
* [[Links]]
* [[Sightings]]
* [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]]
* [[HRWiki:Ledger|Ledger]]
* [[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]]
* [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]
* [[WikiTroll]]
* [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]]

Then the external links in another catergory. Is there any problem with this layout? The idea behind it is that the first section are your main ingrediants, and the second one is things that you can make out of them. I just belive that things such as Rejects and Inside Jokes should be in the same catergory as things such as songs and items. Any answer to this would be much appreciated, and then I'll shut up about it. Thanks alot Tom. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 02:33, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

:I'm not really sure. Your line of thinking makes sense, however I'm thinking it is our system of classification that really seems to be the issue. Inside Jokes? Rejects? What the heck are those really? Things need to be clearly defined and a system needs to be implimentated to classify things.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:57, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)

Hmmm... Thats a good point. Okay, well at least keep my organizational idea in mind as you go about implementing the changes. And with that, I withdraw from the Main Page arguments and leave it in the rest of the Wiki's capable hands. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 16:29, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)

== STUFF and Fun Facts ==

As you may have read I have an issue with the [[HRWiki:STUFF|STUFF]] page. I am very glad someone has spearheaded an attempt to control the "fun fact" problem, but I still think that the voting and discussion for disputed Fun Facts should be made on the article's talk page and not on the STUFF page.

If a controversial article like [[Wikipedia:History of Israel]] can exist on the Wikipedia by using the Talk page and without resorting to a common page voting system, I think the Homestar Wiki article [[virus]] can too.

Now that we have people's attention with the [[HRWiki:STUFF|STUFF]] page I suggest that we move content discussion back to the Talk pages where they belong.

I have created a preliminary template:disputed

It reads as follows:{{disputed}}

This could be used to let contributors know that there is a dispute, and to direct them to the talk page. The Disputed Fun Facts link should go to a page with the info that [[User:furrykef |furrykef]] wrote on what is and is-not a good fun fact.

People were not using the talk pages effectively in the past, which is a failure of us the users, not of the talk pages.

-[[User:Drhaggis|[[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]]]] 16:35, 26 Nov 2004 (MST)

:I completely agree that talk pages are not effectively used by our users. I did read your comment on the talk page and did like some parts of it.

:You mentioned there that the popularity of the "Stuff" page is typical of a sloppy discussion forum and not an article based reference guide. I indeed was amazed at all the users who were very interested in voting. It appears that a quick vote and comment is much easier than proposing fixes and improvements.

:You also presented the idea that this problem inherent mostly because the Homestar Runner Universe is finite. I completely agree. I also believe this is why some users, instead of improving on articles that already exist, create very small articles for very fringe elements of said universe. While I don't think that the [[Stool]] article may be one of these, I'm not entirely interested in proposing other examples at this time.

:While this may not be the time or place to discuss your other comment on that talk page about proper classification, I believe it would be important to address that issue with whichever system is accepted for the dealing with fun facts.

:As [[User:furrykef|Kef]] noted in his reply to your comment, the STUFF process was loosely based on Wikipedia's Votes for Deletion process. I do like Wikipedia's VfD process and have participated in it in the past, but as you may notice we don't have a system like this for dealing with the deletion of pages because we are so small. It works for Wikipedia but would simply would not work for us.

:Throughout my travels around Wikipedia, I have seen several pages with notices like the one on the [[Wikipedia:History of Israel]] page. While I don't believe the scale of discussions here will every reach such a level as that, I am willing to investigate the possibility of using such a system.

:If we were to adopt your proposal, I would want some sort of centrally located instruction page. As you mention, this could contain some of Kef's rules from the STUFF page. I'd also want it to list all the pages that are currently going through the process.

:Of course, your proposal is in direct conflict with the current STUFF system, which the users seems to have latched on to. I like your proposal, but I'm interested in hearing how you would implement it given the current circumstances.

:Thank you for being bold enough to propose an alternative.

:[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:13, 26 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Image Use Policy ==

Hi, I was just wondering about the special page "[[Special:Image_use_policy|Image Use Policy]]", accessable from the [[Special:Upload|Upload Page]]. It doesn't seem to have anything on it. Is there any way to fix that? [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 18:35, 7 Dec 2004 (MST)

:Good find. I've changed the link so that it goes to [[HRWiki:Image use policy]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:58, 8 Dec 2004 (MST)

::Thanks, I'll get to work on that a bit later. Maybe cut and paste something from Wikipedia and go from there. In other news, were you aware that somebody turned the [[Floppy Disk Container]] into a redirect? Is this allowed? Do you condone this? If so, I'm sorry that I kind of hijacked your pride and joy and turned it into my own. I'll make it up to you, somehow... [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:25, 14 Dec 2004 (MST)

:::I did notice that redirect and decided to not do anything about it. And the only thing we have now regarding images is what is in the [[HRWiki:Standards#Screenshot|screenshot section]] on the Standards page.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:15, 14 Dec 2004 (MST)

==Things Noticed Page==
I didn't know there was a fansite wiki, but thanks for telling me! Sorry if I was being to rude about things noticed... -- [[User:Guy27|Guy27]] 12:02, 20 Dec 2004 (MST)

==Poor Images==
''[In reply to a comment on [[User_talk:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf#Poor_images|User_talk:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf]]]''

Yeah, hi. You asked how I made those pictures? Well, I have a screenshot program that only makes Jpegs (which I later save as PNG's), so you can see why the quality would be poor. 'Cause, you know, Jpegs are poor quality. Oh, and I like how you are constanly using [http://www.wikipedia.org WikiPedia] links.
---[[User:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf|Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf]] 22:58, 23 Dec 2004 (MST)

:Yeah, [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] links are great. I'm curious as to what "screenshot program" you use. What operating system are you running? I know Windows captures raw image files to the clipboard with a simple push of the "print screen" key. These can be used in any image editing program, like the [[Wikipedia:Free software|free]] [http://www.gimp.org/ the GIMP]. They turn out much better than [[:Image:Kobe 1-4.png|other]] [[:Image:Kobe 2-4.png|images]] [[:Image:Kobe 2-4.png|you uploaded]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:52, 24 Dec 2004 (MST)
:''[Cross posted at [[User_talk:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf#Poor_images|User_talk:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf]] at 17:54, 24 Dec 2004 (MST)]''

I use this thing called [http://www.screenshot-utility.com/ Screenshot Utility] as my, quote unquote, "screenshot program", if that's what you call those things. But anyway, I'm trying to download a new [http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/9220 "program of shots of screens"], but the downloading bar's been stuck at 77% for like, 10 minutes, so, I dunno.

==About blocking==

Hello, Tom! I don't mean to interfere with anything, but I noticed that you blocked 24.1.84.103 for defacing the Main Page when it looks like s/he was restoring it from another troll (and then it was trolled again by that "logan" kid).

Anyway, I really admire the work you've been doing on this Wiki. Gweat job...I mean, gweat job...I mean, gweat job. --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 20:41, 27 Dec 2004 (MST)

:Yeah man, that's my bad. Thanks. It's been fixed.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:48, 27 Dec 2004 (MST)

==Re: Rejects cat==

Just got your message. The reason I started the "project" is because, from my view, the Rejected Characters should be flagged not only from the Rejects page, but from their article itself. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 21:26, 28 Dec 2004 (EST)

:Your concern is understandable, but the whole "rejects" thing really isn't to Drhaggis and my liking. However I'm mostly at a loss at how to classify these things, but I'll ask Drhaggis, as putting things into categories is his speciality.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:33, 28 Dec 2004 (MST)

:I think the "Rejects" page should be deleted. If we as a community have deemed a character or item "article worthy" we simply create the article and categorize it accordingly. I think "Rejects" are a hold over from the old Wiki that is not served by the capabilities of the new Wiki. There are few truly "Rejected" things; [[Dijjery-Doo]] for example was rejected by [[TBC]], but he has still popped up in [[for kids]].
: The Characters/Items/Places categories are a bit big, and can be grouped into sub categories. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 12:51, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)

::Okay, sounds reasonable enough to me. However, how do you think we can go about this with minimal damage to the egos of those responsible for said Rejects? And I sure don't want anything to get lost.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:14, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)

:I think we just need to delete the "Rejects" list. All the things that were previously deamed to be rejected already have articles so no data is lost, just the well done "...are a waste of time" banners on the page. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 13:23, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)

::Whoa! Those things really ''are'' all categorizied. Okay, the page has been deleted, and all article links to it have been removed.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:36, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)

== Rejected Halloween Costumes Task ==

Hi Tom! Thunderbird here again, with a special task for a few of my fellow users. On the [[Sketchbook]] page, in the [[Sketchbook#In The Museum|Museum]] section of that page, the last picture is a bunch of rejected halloween costume ideas. The caption gives the challenge '10 bucks to anyone who can identify them all'. So what I propose is to identify them all. I've already set up a basic 'top left to bottom right' type list under the 'Description' section, with the two most obvious costumes in it. But can we get the other costumes, and win ourselves $10? Any costumes you know would be a help. Thanks. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 02:14, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Update: The good Doctor Haggis was far faster with that task than I could have ever expected. All the costumes are done with the exception of one: The full body [[Marzipan]]. Many think that she is in fact Belle from Beauty & the Beast, but we're not quite sure about that. What are your thoughts? Any better ideas as to who this mystery Marzipans could be, or even just your opinion as to weather or not she's Belle? [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 12:11, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Stu... ==

Any idea where [[User:Stu|Stu]] has been? →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:Yeah, I do. But you can ask him yourself. His email address is in his profile on the forum, or you could use the [[Special:Emailuser/Stu|MediaWiki user email thing]] if you have it set up correctly.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:52, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)

::Okay. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

== SsSp ==

I'd say [[SsSp]] passed the test. :-) --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 23:36, 4 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Indeed. Hmm...[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:21, 6 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Glitch Template ==

Sorry about that! I was just experemeting w/ overflows, and It turned out that FF coulndent handle it. I didnt know how to deleat it! Firefox crashed while atempting to view it. Also, why dont they have protection on user pages? Couldend a WikiTroll Distroy sombodys page? How do i set <nowiki>→[[User:firefocman|''<tt>[[User:firefoxman|FireFox Man]]</tt>'']]</nowiki> As my siggi?
Thanks,
→[[User:firefocman|''<tt>[[User:firefoxman|FireFox Man]]</tt>'']]

:The Wiki can be edited by any person, but defacement never lasts. And here are [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Preferences#Your_nickname the instructions] to change your signature.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:31, 10 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Sysop ==

How does one become a Sysop? It would be nice to be able to ban some Trolls. *chuckles* -[[User:firefoxman|Ω Lucas]] 15:23, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Certainly not by asking. Teh lame, don't you think? Also, please try to use the "Show preview" button before the "Save page" button.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:18, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

== My Work... Deleted!? ==

i noticed that you deleted my work on the [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]] page.. jw why...
-- Always cheating, never speaking, [[User:The Cheat|The Cheat]]

:[[HRWiki:Once And Only Once]]. Also, we simply don't list parts of things on the main page for something. For example, we don't list every time [[Strong Bad]] has said the word "crap" or made fun of [[Homestar Runner|Homestar]] on the [[Strong Bad Email]] page.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:24, 16 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Wikipedia ==

I hope the contacts that didn't happen over on Wikipedia were going to be good ones. Sometimes I worry that a fan is going to leave me messages about how I'm destroying the articles by removing "important information" about every Homsar Halloween Easter egg or some such. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]]

Talk:Doreauxgard

Cyrius — Tue, 18 Jan 2005 02:50:40 GMT

Cyrius: /* Deauregard vs. Doreauxgard */

User:Cyrius

Cyrius — Tue, 18 Jan 2005 01:53:55 GMT

Cyrius:

I'm primarily a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] editor ([[Wikipedia:User:Cyrius|User:Cyrius]]), but I come here enough that I felt I should make an account.