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DAGRON — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:49:44 GMT

DAGRON: undid revision 568637; Eh, maybe it's not so complicated

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== TBC appearance ==

TBC will be making an appearance at MIT this weekend at an event called "ROFLcon." Dunno if their portion is suitable to be documented or transcripted or whatever, but I thought I'd make people aware. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 21:22, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
:Thanks for the tip! As it turns out, we've already got one of our [[User:Tom|top men]] working on it round-the-clock. His train leaves for Boston within the hour. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:39, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

== 16-Bit Color and the movies/toons ==

I noticed that no matter if you have 16-bit or 32-bit color, the homestarrunner.com toons/movies seem to have the same color scheme (IE: No dithering occurs.) Also, recently, the lappy-era toons... you can see the boundaries of the "reflection of light" on the top and left reflections of the lappy screens. A month or two ago, these boundaries were not visible; but now they seem to appear even for 32-bit color. {{User:Iyeru/sig}}

== Eric Conveys an Emotion Videlectrix ==
[http://www.emotioneric.com/ae/?adv=theinterview&page=1 Eric Conveys an Emotion gets an interview at Videlectrix?!] --[[User:AlmsforthePudgy|AlmsforthePudgy]] 18:51, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:Cool stuff! I {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Videlectrix&diff=560723&oldid=558192 added}} a link to it on [[Videlectrix]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:42, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

== The old stuffs ==

Aren't sysops supposed get the old qow,wf, and sketchbook off the main page after the new ones come in? [[Image:The_Cheat_Character_Video.PNG|20px]][[User:Meme3|Meme3]][[Image:StrongMadDeletehead.png|18px]] 01:14, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:OK, done. However, you don't have to be a sysop to do that... the [[Template:whatsnew|whatsnew template]] can be edited by anyone with an account. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 01:32, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
::Anyone with an old account. No newbies. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 23:36, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::But you aren't a newbie, Meme. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 23:46, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

== Picture ==

What's this picture: http://podstar.homestarrunner.com/hrpodcast_pic.jpg {{User:The thing/sig}} 01:41, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:It's a picture of Homestar and Strong Bad, in the field, with the H*R logo. (Did I win?) {{User:Phlip/sig}} 01:50, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
::Actually, I think it was on the podstar page once. {{User:Hrjcm/sig}} 01:59, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Yes phlip. You won. But, why is it on the podstar site, Hrjcm? {{User:The thing/sig}} 02:07, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I forgot. {{User:Hrjcm/sig}} 02:23, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::See [[:Image:SBEmail_in_iTunes_2.PNG|this image]]. TBC used the image on iTunes when you were able to download podcasts from it. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 02:27, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Well, that's unfair. I don't remember seeing Podcast in 2006, I just remembered seeing a picture like that before. {{User:Hrjcm/sig}} 02:42, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::It's also used as the album art for the podcast, as defined in the podcast.xml file: <code><nowiki><itunes:image href="http://podstar.homestarrunner.com/hrpodcast_pic.jpg" /></nowiki></code>. Depending on your podcatcher software/portable media device, you might see it there as well (for example, I can see it on my Zune's menu when I select the podcast, unsure if it's the same with iPods). --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 09:48, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

==What HAppened Today?==

SeRIOUSLY WHAT MAINTENACNCE was GOinG DOwN??? [[User:Physicsguymonsterman|Physicsguymonsterman]] 23:12, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:The maintenance wasn't going down, the ''wiki'' was going down while it was going through server ''maintenance''. And now it's all over (except for the thumbnail problem). {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 23:26, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::So what was wrong or changed that made the wiki need maintenance? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 23:29, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Which is what I think Mr. Monsterman was trying to say. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 23:34, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
PNG uploads don't appear to be working, either. I've got Weekly Fanstuff and Sketchbook images to upload, but it ain't workin'... "The file is corrupt or has an incorrect extension. Please check the file and upload again." {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 00:04, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:The maintenance was for the time it took to transfer the wiki to [http://www.fellowsites.org/2008/04/21/upcoming-server-migration/ a new server]... details are behind that link. Thumbnails are broken because the new server currently doesn't have [[Wikipedia:ImageMagick|ImageMagick]] installed... that'll be sorted out as soon as possible. The PNG upload issue I'm not sure about, but I'm looking into it right now (well, technically, right now I'm typing a post on this talk page, but as soon as I'm done with that, I'll go check out what the deal is with the uploads). {{User:Phlip/sig}} 09:28, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::Just to let you guys know: I've figured out the problem with the PNG uploads... I'll let someone who can fix it know, next time I see them. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 10:38, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
I'm having problems with moving articles. The codes don't show up. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 23:48, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
:Fixed. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:46, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

== Uploading Images ==

When I try to upload a PNG image now, I get this message: The file is corrupt or has an incorrect extension. Please check the file and upload again. After I check the file, I'm still not allowed to upload it. What should I do? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:06, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Check the post above...its something to do with the server move. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 02:14, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

==Template==
Here is a template for pages that have been protected due to disputes:

{{t|dprotected}}
::Please use the "+" button on the top of the screen next time you want to [[HRW:TALK|start a new conversation]]. We're forbidden from creating new headers underneath an existing Talk Page conversation, and the summary made it look like you were replying to my post. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 23:23, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:As I said [[Template talk:dprotected|here]]: Hmm... I don't think we have ever protected a page because of a content dispute, and I don't see it happening any time soon... do we really need this template? {{User:Phlip/sig}} 11:02, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::No. No we don't. I say it shall be <strike>Del Taco'd</strike> DELETED!!!! (The template, not the discussion.) [[User:DrPepper42|DrPepper42]] 00:59, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Discuss further on the template's talk page. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 01:16, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

== Phishing filter problems ==

My computer's virus protection system's phishing filter blocked this website. I had to turn it off! What the heck is going on here? Please provide some awnsers here. [[User:DrPepper42|DrPepper42]] 00:54, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:Update here, the fanstuff isn't blocked, '''only''' the actual wiki. What the crap is going on here? [[User:DrPepper42|DrPepper42]] 01:01, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::You caught us. The wiki is an elaborate scheme to get your login information for eBay, PayPal, Amazon.com and anything else we can get our hands on! Mwa ha ha! {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 01:06, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:::What phishing filter are you using? Probably the best thing to do is to go to their website, and see if you can find a link to report a false positive... failing that, an email address that you can send something to to say "Hey, your filter blocked this site, but it's totally legit!"... Best I can guess is that a lot of these phishing filters are based on user submissions... so they get plenty of false positives from people who think it'd be funny to click the "report this site" button on random sites. Then again, we do link to very convincing clones of both [[HR:amazon.html|Amazon]] and [[HR:auction.html|eBay]] ([[Videlectrix:eggction.html|twice, even]])... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 10:17, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Wait, nevermind. The problem is over. I turned it back on, and it didn't block the site. It's all good. [[User:DrPepper42|DrPepper42]] 20:58, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

== Writing Transcripts ==

I figured this would be the best place to put this kind of question, so here goes: "How should a long-time user of this wiki go about writing a transcript or two when she isn't allowed to stay up late on Sunday nights?" I've done a lot on the HRWiki, particularly since I came back, but haven't reverted vandalism (I try, but sometimes I can't tell what to revert) or written the transcript for an email or toon. I'd like to do that, but I don't really know how we determine who's going to write the thing and what templates and such we use. Also, most of this is done in the middle of the night when I should be asleep. I'd be willing to get up and help with it, and with Monday fast approaching, that would be a nice time to try. I just want to try something new. Thanks, -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 20:14, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
:On my user page there's a section on documenting a new toon. Might be interesting to you. As far as who does the transcript, someone just puts the section in progress template up and starts it. I don't think there's ever any formal "claim" on a transcript, just whichever user wants to and is available. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 20:29, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
::I had already read that part of your user page, but thanks for pointing it out to me again. I'm going to go experiment in the Sandbox now to hone my transcripting skillz (with a "z"). See you later and thanks again. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 20:55, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Aww... I just spent about ten minutes searching for the supposed template used to make the outline for a sbemail, but I can't find it. I thought I saw it mentioned somewhere, and it would save a great deal of time and energy if and when I get to write a transcript. Does anyone know what this template is called or where it is? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 21:15, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
::::On [[Talk:Strong Bad Email]] there is a checklist with everything that needs to be done when a new one comes. Including the {{tl|newsbemail}} template. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 21:29, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Okay, thanks a bunch. I knew I had seen it somewhere. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 21:33, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Transcript some DVD commentary. [[HRWiki:DVD commentary transcripts|Lots of that]] to be done. =] {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 21:54, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

== I really like your homestar head costume ==

What was the exact time the little picture in the address bar changed? I like how it makes our site more distinguishable from the official site when I have multiple tabs. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 04:48, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
:You mean the [[HRWiki:Favicon|favicon]]. Currently it alternates every hour on the hour while we try out some new styles. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:55, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
::Are we just going to keep alternating it? Seems we kinda reached an agreement on the Favicon talk page itself. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 05:04, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

== Regarding the YouTube tag: ==

Is there any reason for forcing it to be the high-quality version? I mean, if you just link to the video by itself, then the user's YouTube settings/connection speed will define whether the video is HQ or not, but forcing it to HQ could be a bad idea for people with slow connections/connection problems. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 10:27, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
:So true, so true. But, I can't do crap about that. It's not a problem for me though, I've got a High Definition laptop display and really fast internet. But I still use the normal versions of videos. [[User:DrPepper42|DrPepper42]] 00:11, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

==Whoooaaa...==
Just one article away from 2000! What do you think the 2000{{th}} article will be? [[User:124.181.14.142|124.181.14.142]] 02:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:I hope it's one on Bubs's first wife. Some good potential there. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 02:53, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::[[Special:Statistics|It's here]]!!! [[User:MBD123|MBD123]] 18:07, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::And just what is the 2 thousandth ema-I mean page?[[Image:The_Cheat_Character_Video.PNG|20px]][[User:Meme3|Meme3]][[Image:StrongMadDeletehead.png|18px]] 20:46, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::::If subpages count, then I think it'd be [[User:Brightstar_Shiner/The_Sketchbook]] that right there. Since it was created the same day this discussion here started. {{User:Iyeru/sig}}
:::::Yes, but that's not how the stats work... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:59, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::No, they don't count. You can see from [[Special:Newpages]] that the 2000th page (at the current time of writing this) is [[More Like]]. It was previously [[Biggest Waste of X]] (the first page to reach 2000), until [[Blistergeist]] was turned into a redirect (redirects don't count as pages, so it was removed from the statistics count). --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 02:00, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

== Watchlist Emails ==
Why has the format for emails you get when a page you watched is edited changed? It looks like a WUW email...I liked the old style more! Can we change it back? Same goes for the Fanstuff Wiki. {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}
:What's a WUW email, and can you give an example? I'm flummoxed here. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 05:00, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::I guess by WUW he means the fanstuff's Wiki User Wiki. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 06:29, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I mean the [http://www.clamburger.org/wuw/index.php/Main_Page Wiki User Wiki]. Hold on, I'm at school, so I can't get an image quite yet. {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}
::::Here it is.

[[Image:old_and_new_emails.PNG]]

The old one (the one I like) is on the top, and the new one (the one I don't like) is on the bottom. Which would you rather get? {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}
:I have to say, I like the one at the '''top''' better. {{User:Iyeru/sig}}
::No kidding, but I'd bet anything that the change is due to that server change. It happened just around then, about a week or so ago. {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}
:::The ugly messages are the MediaWiki default. The nice, formatted messages are generated by an extension I wrote. Yes, something broke during the server change, and I had to temporarily revert to the ugly default. With everything that's going on around here, I haven't had time to debug the extension, but I'm pretty sure I know where the problem is and how to fix it. Rest assured, the nice, formatted messages are next on my to-do list and will return soon. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

==new dev blog==

check it out on the website

== i'll take four! ==

does anyone remember a sbemail where homestar says i'll take four in response to bubs advertising something at his stand? --[[User:Acam30|Acam30]] 21:08, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
:[[technology|Get your wireless extension cords. Three for three hundred! Lightweight, existent, and shockproof!]] {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 21:10, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

thanks a lot!
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== I broke it! lol ==

Sorry about that, but seriously, I hate validation. [[:Category:Pages_for_Speedy_Deletion|A whole mess of pages are now in speedy deletion because of my signature]] -[[User:Iyeru|Iyeru]]
: You hate it so much that you'd delete your signature over it? At any rate, I won't delete it because it appears on as many pages as it is. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:42, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
: And if it's really such a problem for you, use the <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki> tag before nominating it for deletion again, please. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:43, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, I got it. -[[User:Iyeru|Iyeru]]

== Wiki Logo ==

What is the URL for the wiki's logo image (you know, the one in the top left corner of every page)? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 01:16, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

:[[:Image:Wiki-kb-c.gif|Here]]'s an almost-final version on the wiki, and {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/skins/common/images/wiki-kb-c.gif here}}'s the actual one used. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 02:11, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

== Don't be discouraged ==

Is there anything worth doing if one person gets an account solely to add 1 fact to 1 article, but the fact has to be reverted? I've already experienced that twice; once for [http://hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Marzipan%27s_Answering_Machine_Version_15.2&diff=547406&oldid=547404 Marzipan's Answering Machine 15.2] and once again for [http://hrwiki.org/index.php?title=garage_sale&diff=568214&oldid=568212 garage sale]. Is it worth the effort to encourage these users to attempt other edits? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 04:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:This was suggested once [http://hrwiki.org/index.php/HRWiki:Main_Page_Talk_Archive_25#One_time_anonnies_-_new_template_idea here], but it never really got implemented.-[[Special:Contributions/134.174.140.208|134.174.140.208]] 04:50, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::What was suggested in that thread was a template, which I still don't think is the solution. BBG is asking whether it's even worth it to contact these users at all, and I think the answer is a resounding yes; if someone wants to encourage a user to keep at it, then they definitely should. My point from the other page was that it should be done with a personalized message instead of a template. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:::I think this is a great idea, since it has the potential to prevent future vandalism as well as bring in more users, but not many people seem to know about it. Perhaps if I put it on [[HRWiki:Open Discussions]]? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 13:36, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::::One problem I'm having is thinking of something to say. "Sorry for removing your fact" sounds awkward and mean, and since they haven't made any other contributions I can't say anything like "you're still a good user". Should someone else contact them? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 14:13, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::That's definitely true, which is why i suggested a template, but i've done it a couple of times, and i think it worked fine. Namely, you say something to the effect of "Hi there, i noticed that you made an edit to (some page). Unfortunately, it is general practice on this wiki not to (explain in nice words what they did wrong). Anyway, I just wanted to welcome you to the wiki and let you know that even though I did have to revert your edit, constructive contributors like yourself are always welcome, and that you shouldn't get discouraged. Sincerely (sigdate)". Obviously, this only works with constructive edits, but that's what we're going for here. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:55, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::There, i just did an [[User talk:158.123.253.2#Welcome|actual one]]. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:15, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Having just done a [[User talk:69.223.44.236#Welcome|second one]] of these in short amount of time, i can say that typing out a new one each time is annoying, as it takes 10 times as long as the revert itself. Once again, i'd suggest a template to make it easier, because i thin that WE would get discouraged from doing this if we have to type it out each time, and i think that a template is better than no message at all. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:41, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I'm with Dot com on this one. Having a template would be impersonal and the recipient is likely to ignore it. I don't know about you, but if I was new and my edit was reverted, I'd like a real person to tell me I'm wanted, not some canned template that could be handed out to anyone. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 17:06, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I agree wholeheartedly, however, from the perspective of the one reverting, i feel like i would be too lazy to write something out every time and therefore would just be like "yeah, screw it"... it's a balance thing, and i'm not sure that writing one out would be balanced well {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:09, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::If it becomes common wiki practice, anyone watching RC can leave the message, not always the reverter. Granted, I'm not sure about that, but it's an idea. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 17:14, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::DeF: The best a template could hope to do would be to give the introductory "I see you made an edit" line. That might actually be partially useful, if only to get the ball rolling, but it wouldn't get the whole job done. There's really no way to send a meaningful message without tailoring it to the situation. In both of the cases you cited above, you still had to list the edit the anonny made and explain why you reverted it. It's probably not worth the effort in a lot of cases, but in some cases it definitely is. I myself was motivated to create an account after some work I did was reverted and a note was placed on my IP talk page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:54, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::B: It's been common wiki practice as long as I've been here to leave a note on an anonymous user's talk page when the anonny makes an exceptional edit (regardless of whether the edit was reverted, but especially so if it was). The degree to which this is common depends on each user's idea of what constitutes an exceptional edit, but communication such as we're discussing has always been encouraged. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I didn't really understand your point. I read it through several times and still couldn't figure out what you were trying to say. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 20:00, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:You say "If it becomes common wiki practice". My point is that is ''is'' common wiki practice to leave notes for exceptional edits, and has been for as long as I've been here. Although it's not common practice to leave notes for every last revert. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::So what do you suggest we do when we revert an anonny's edit? I think if the anonny seems to have had good intentions and wants to help the wiki, whether the edit was really that useful or not, we should leave a note. Little users are still users. If we restrict our welcomes to those who are already sold on the wiki, we won't get any more people. But if someone whose one-time edit gets reverted and they weren't sure about this whole wiki thing from the get-go, they might leave based on our perceived "ignorance" of their contribution. If, when I was new, I made a small first contribution to this wiki (for example, reverting a fun fact I didn't think was right) that got reverted (being new, I wouldn't know there was already a consensus to keep that fact), then I received no explanation as to why it got reverted, I might be annoyed. "What the heck was that for?" I might say. Then I would dismiss the wiki and go on my merry way to other websites, never becoming the user I am today. And that would be bad. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 20:04, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:::I agree with all of that. What's your threshold for the size of the anonny's edit? Is it just for big edits that probably took some time, or for everything? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:07, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::::Anything that adds/removes real content from a page, not just spelling, formatting, or the like. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 20:08, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::So basically non-minor edits, like for example if you revert the addition of a fun fact. Maybe a template ''would'' be beneficial in that case. Something like: "<nowiki>{{subst:reverted|funfact}} <explanation> ~~~~</nowiki>" — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:09, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::Such a template would be a great idea!{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:33, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::::That's what '''''I''''' was trying to say... I wasn't talking about huge edits, i was talking aobut small, yet well-intended ones. And i think the template would have to be a bit more complicated based on the type of edit made, but it could be done. something like <nowiki>{{template|edit type("funfact", "format", etc.)|page edited|extended reason for revert}} extra comments ~~~~</nowiki> make any sense? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:36, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Main Page

DAGRON — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:48:50 GMT

DAGRON: /* Don't be discouraged */

Talk:Street Fighter

DAGRON — Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:40:31 GMT

DAGRON: /* Picture */

==Picture==
I think it'd be better if we used a picture of Homestar Runner Hurricane Kicking Strong Sad from [[dangeresque 3]], with the caption "The pipes are broken!". It's a much better reference but I can't find such an image on the wiki. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 21:08, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:What about a picture of flaming poopsmith? i'll get one... hang on. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:12, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::So after actually watching it, it's not such a good picture, so yeah... no dice... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:27, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
:::I tried The Chort's idea. How's it look now? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 21:53, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
::::I think the M.Bison pic was better suited, myself. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 03:05, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
:::::My suggestion was on the basis that it was a more recognisable reference, even to non-fans of Street Fighter. I have never played any of the games but got the Hurrican Kick reference from dangeresque 3 more quickly than the The Poopsmith's M. Bison costume from 3 Times Halloween Funjob. I always mistake that costume for Robocop. I have, however, added a link to the previous image on the article. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:18, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::Really? The costume doesn't really look anything like Robocop, though, does it? Anyway, I was the opposite, in that I've played the games, but I didn't recognize the direct reference until I saw it noted on the wiki (about the hurricane kick), so I would think M.Bison is more recognisable. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 01:40, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Character Evolutions

DAGRON — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 14:56:17 GMT

DAGRON: /* Move? */

== Needed? ==
The character evolutions category seems to cover this better... Delete or redirect, though? -{{User:YK/sig}} 22:55, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
:'''DELETE'''...or at least give another name to it. Evoulutions? I think not. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 23:00, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
::Actually, I seem to remember a similar page being deleted not terribly long ago, but can't find anything about it in the delete logs... -{{User:YK/sig}} 23:10, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm on the fence, but if we keep it, can we at least clean it up? A '''lot'''? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:13, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
::::There's something I don't quite like about mainspace redirects that serve to bring you to text on a category page. It's like, if you're going to redirect something from the mainspace to text in the category space, it seems like that text belongs in an actual article, not in the category space. Maybe we should have a brief article on the general concept of character evolution with links to the various articles. (And as Jay suggests, it would need a great deal of cleanup.) {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 23:21, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::I just think this should be written better. It also should be linked to character evolution. {{User:Slipknot6477/sig}} 02:22, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Hm. I like Heimstern Laufer's idea. We *do* have all the character evolution pages, but nothing really linking them all together except a category. This page is a mess at present, but it can be cleaned and would serve as a nice "hub", if you will. -{{User:YK/sig}} 03:07, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::If you are looking for a precedent to the hub idea, there's [[Other Costumes]]. It links all the pages on [[:Category:Other Costumes]]. If we do this, I suggest to also move this page to '''Character Evolutions'''. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:47, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I'm in favour of that, we do seem to have a fair few hub pages and they're more 'discoverable' than categories. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 14:04, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I've given the page a bit of an overhaul. Is this what y'all had in mind? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 14:37, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
:That's the sort of thing I was thinking of, yep! I still favour a move to Character Evolutions. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 15:06, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
::A similar concept is [[Character Relationships]]. One page to rule them all. I mean, link them all. So, some cleanup and a rename to Character Evolutions seems like a good plan. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 02:46, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Deleting the page or moving isn't needed. It's a fine page. Remove the template, please. (I said please!) [[User:DrPepper42|DrPepper42]] 01:12, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

This is my first topic. I have no clue if I'm doing this right. Anyway, this is my favorite artical! It's name stays.It remains where it is. Besides, what would you attach it to? There's already a link in each character profile. -- [[User:ryuzakiforever | ryuzakiforever]] 10:21, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:Let's quit with the demands, please; no one is in a position to make such demands here. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 15:36, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

== Move? ==
Ok, since most users seem to support the existence of this article, I took down the tbd template. I'm my previous comment I suggested to move this page to '''Character Evolutions'''. The only reasoning I can give is that it just look and sound better, the the current one. Mithent also said he is in favor to move it. Anyone objects or want to comment? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:12, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

:I think the current title ("Evolution of Characters") is better than the original title ("Evolutions"). Something about the plural "Evolutions" in the title just doesn't sound quite right to me, but other than that, "Character Evolutions" is pretty equivalent to the current title. So, I wouldn't be upset by a move, but I think the current title is slightly better. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:18, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::Just a reminder that I also (above) stated that "a rename to Character Evolutions seems like a good plan". {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 20:30, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh, sorry I missed that. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:52, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I agree; '''Character Evolutions''' is a much better name. It's more flowing. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 19:16, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Agreed; should we do this move? Incidentally, there is a page [[Character Evolution]] already, which redirects to [[:Category:Character Evolution]]; it seems that we [[Talk:Character Evolution|previously voted]] ''not'' to have a page, and redirect to the category instead. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 13:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
::::::Last time doesn't look like it was a clear vote, actually. Anyway, what was the content of the deleted page? -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 14:56, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

SBCG4AP Dev Blog

DAGRON — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 05:52:09 GMT

DAGRON: /* Blog Entries */ kinda think it needs a little someting like this (maybe not the best format) (also changed one earlier verb)

<div align="right">[http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/ read]</div>
[[Image:Dev Blog logo.png|thumb|300px|From the desk of Strong Bad.]]

[[Strong Bad]] regularly updates a '''Developer's Blog''' on the [[Telltale Games]] website to promote ''[[Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People]]''.

== Blog Entries ==

{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! Image !! Date !! Title !! Description !! Currently Playing:
|-id="End Boss Feature"
| [[Image:Sbdev_box_in.png|100px]]|| 04 Jun 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-11 '''End Boss Feature'''] || Strong Bad discusses stickers, game features, and marketing. || "''[[Wikipedia: Abadox|Abodox]]'' (I refuse to believe that logo says 'Abadox')"
|-id="Concept Art is a SCAM!"
| [[Image:Devblog05-21-08.PNG|100px]]|| 21 May 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-9 '''Concept Art is a SCAM!'''] || Strong Bad bemoans Telltale's decision to take the game visuals in a different direction. || "''[[Wikipedia:Viking Child|The Viking Child]]'' for [[Wikipedia: Atari Lynx|LYNX]]. Best Handheld Ever Man."
|-id="The Endinning of The End"
| [[Image:Sbdev rhonda.jpg|100px]]|| 14 May 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-8 '''The Endinning of the End'''] || Strong Bad hates the French horn. || "''[[Wikipedia:Lost Eden|Lost Eden]]'' (the dinosaurs look REAL!)"
|-id="Logos Please"
| [[Image:Sbdev logos.jpg|100px]] || 7 May 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-7 '''Logos Please'''] || Strong Bad explains that video game success is proportional to the number of logos before the title screen. || "''[[Wikipedia:Trojan (video game)|Trojan]]'' (they still have cartoon sticks of TNT in the post-apocalyptic future!)"
|-id="New Screenshots!"
|[[Image:DevBlog042408.png|100px]] || 24 Apr 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-6 '''New Screenshots!'''] || Strong Bad shows off some new screen shots of the upcoming game... that have been altered slightly. || [[Not X|Not]] [[MS Paint]]
|-id="Anadigilogital"
| [[Image:Sbdev mig29 front.jpg|100px]] || 17 Apr 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-5 '''Anadigilogital'''] || Strong Bad complains about the game's lack of box art and dipswitches. || "[[Wikipedia:Star Wars: Rebel Assault|''Rebel Assault 1'']] (from a time when nasty looking full motion video was the future of gaming!)"
|-id="Nobody Listens to Strong Bandrew"
| [[Image:Puzzmaster.jpg|100px]] || 10 Apr 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-4 '''Nobody Listens to Strong Bandrew'''] || Strong Bad decries the Telltale Team's rejection of his game ideas. || "[http://www.gamespot.com/nes/action/wagyanland/index.html ''Wagyan Land''] (the end boss is a word game!)"
|-
|}

== Fun Facts ==
===04 Jun 2008===
*Entry includes examples of [[deliberately poor English]].

===21 May 2008 ===
*Strong Bad refers to bull[[style]].
*Strong Bad also says that the "Smelly Guy" has "several months' worth of empty cans of [[Minor Foods#Bull Honkey|Bull Honkey]].
*Strong Bad's concept art was seen at the end of the [[SBCG4AP Advertisement]].

===14 May 2008===
*The game Strong Bad is complaining about is ''[[Wikipedia:Pitfall II: Lost Caverns|Pitfall II: Lost Caverns]]''. Frogs and balloons were two of the new features in the game, as well as unlimited lives.
*Strong Bad should know that the "silver french horn" is a scorpion, as he positively identified it as such in the commentary of [[In Search of the Yello Dello]].
*"Endinning" is a [[portmanteau]] of "end" (or "ending") and "beginning."

=== 24 Apr 2008 ===
*Strong Bad alters a screenshot from the game and claims that it's a dating sim featuring [[Wikipedia:Kate Pierson|Kate Pierson]] of [[Wikipedia:The B-52's|the B-52's]].
*One of Strong Bad's fake screencaps reveals that Homestar's innards are filled with "Strawberry Quik". "Quik" was the original name of [[Wikipedia:Nestlé|Nestlé]]'s flavored milk drink [[Wikipedia:Nesquik|Nesquik]].
*Strong Bad claims to launch a "heat-seeking [[Wikipedia:Three Stooges|3-Stooges]] eye-poker missile" in his game. The hallmark slapstick comedy of the Stooges often included eye-poking.

=== 17 Apr 2008 ===

*''[[Wikipedia:Mig 29 Soviet Fighter|Mig 29 Soviet Fighter]]'' is an unlicensed game for the [[Nintendo#NES|NES]]. The switch on the back of the game triggers a [http://kevtris.org/mappers/lockout/camerica.html voltage spike] intended to temporarily disable the NES's [[Wikipedia:10NES|lock-out chip]] so that the unlicensed game can be played on an official console.
*Strong Bad [[Strong Bad's Spelling|uses "it's" in place of "its"]] even though he considers people who do this to be [[local news|scalawags]].

=== 10 Apr 2008 ===

*The blocky 3D Strong Bad head in the [[Wikipedia:Sudoku|sudoku]] puzzmaster picture is most likely a reference to [[Wikipedia:Dr. Kawashima|Dr. Kawashima's]] representation in the [[Wikipedia:Brain Age|Brain Age]] series, which included sudoku in the North American version of its first installment. Dr. Kawashima's head also sometimes used an expression similar to Strong Bad's in the game.
**[[Wikipedia:NPR|NPR]]'s program [[Wikipedia:Weekend Edition|Weekend Edition Sunday]] includes a weekly segment with [[Wikipedia:Will Shortz|Will Shortz]], puzzle constructor (including [http://nymag.com/arts/all/features/17244/ Sudoku]), [[Wikipedia:The New York Times|New York Times]] puzzle editor, and referred to by NPR as the "[http://www.npr.org/templates/people/?typeId=1#S Puzzlemaster]".
*Strong Bad's idea of a "flame cubicle" in the Telltale offices gets "[[SBLOUNSKCHED!]]"
*The title makes a reference to the book [http://www.amazon.com/Nobody-Listens-Andrew-Elizabeth-Guilfoile/dp/0590093185 ''Nobody Listens to Andrew''].
*Unlike the other dev blog images, the [[Videlectrix:vii/puzzmaster.jpg|puzzmaster image]] is hosted on the [[Viidelectrix]] site.

== See Also ==
*[[Strong Sad's Lament]]

==External Links ==
*[http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/ Read Strong Bad's Dev Blog]

{{SBCG4AP}}

Talk:Street Fighter

DAGRON — Thu, 05 Jun 2008 03:05:44 GMT

DAGRON: /* Picture */

Halloween Potion-ma-jig Costumes

DAGRON — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 20:31:27 GMT

DAGRON: tweak

[[Halloween Costumes|Costumes]] that the characters wore in [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]], Halloween 2005.

{|border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! Image !! Character !! Costume !! Explanation !! External Links
|-
|[[Image:HomestarPotion-ma-jig.png|150px|Homestar Runner As Moocher]]|| [[Homestar Runner]] || Moocher || From the 1979 movie ''[[IMDB:tt0078902|Breaking Away]]'' and [[IMDB:tt0080203|subsequent TV show of the same name]], played by [[Wikipedia:Jackie Earle Haley|Jackie Earle Haley]]. || [http://www.imdb.com/gallery/hh/0355097/JackieEarleHaleytrophies.jpg IMDb listing]
|-
|[[Image:PomPomPotion-ma-jig.png|150px|Pom Pom As Walter Sobchak]]|| [[Pom Pom]] || Walter Sobchak || Vietnam veteran, owner of Sobchak Security, bowler, and friend of "the Dude", played by [[Wikipedia:John Goodman|John Goodman]] in the 1998 movie [[The Big Lebowski]].|| [[IMDB:tt0118715|IMDb listing]]
|-
|[[Image:CoachZPotion-ma-jig.png|150px|Coach Z As Theo Huxtable]]|| [[Coach Z]] || Theo Huxtable || A main character in the television show The Cosby Show. The shirt Coach Z is wearing is from the first-season episode "[http://www.tv.com/the-cosby-show/a-shirt-story/episode/6802/summary.html A Shirt Story]," in which Denise tries to hand-make Theo a designer shirt and butchers it in the process. [[Wikipedia:Malcolm-Jamal Warner|Malcolm-Jamal Warner]] played the role of this character. || [[Wikipedia:The Cosby Show|Wikipedia article]]
|-
|[[Image:The King of Town as Colonel Sanders.png|150px|The King of Town As Colonel Sanders]]|| [[The King of Town]] || Colonel Sanders || The founder and mascot of the [[Wikipedia:Kentucky Fried Chicken|Kentucky Fried Chicken]] restaurant franchise. || [[Wikipedia:Colonel Sanders|Wikipedia article]]
|-
|[[Image:The_Poopsmith_as_Ookla_the_Mok.png|150px|The Poopsmith As Ookla the Mok]]|| [[The Poopsmith]] || Ookla the Mok || A character from a 1980s [[Wikipedia:Ruby-Spears Productions|Ruby-Spears]] cartoon called ''Thundarr the Barbarian''. || [[Wikipedia:Thundarr the Barbarian|Wikipedia article]]
|-
|[[Image:HomsarPotion-ma-jig.png|150px|Homsar As Tingle]]|| [[Homsar]] || Tingle || A delusional map-making man from [[Wikipedia:Nintendo|Nintendo's]] ''[[Wikipedia:Legend of Zelda series|Legend of Zelda]]'' video game series. He thinks he's a fairy, hence the clothes. Floating around on his Tingle Balloon and throwing confetti when helping the hero are two of his most common traits, which Homsar parodies. He also has created his own magic words: "Tingle, tingle, kooloo-limpah!" || [[Wikipedia:Tingle|Wikipedia article]]
|-
|[[Image:StrongMadPotion-ma-jig.png|150px|Strong Mad As Gossamer]]|| [[Strong Mad]] || Gossamer || A classic [[Looney Tunes]] monster. He's normally red, but he's orange in this 'toon. An antagonist of [[Wikipedia:Bugs Bunny|Bugs Bunny]], Gossamer is easily distracted by anyone willing to give him a manicure or a TNT laced hairdo. Despite his usually terrifying appearance, Gossamer runs in fear from the monsters in the audience....PEOPLE! || [[Wikipedia:Gossamer (Looney Tunes)|Wikipedia article]]
|-
|[[Image:StrongBadPotion-ma-jig.png|150px|Strong Bad As Jambi]]|| [[Strong Bad]] || Jambi || A genie character from the "[[Wikipedia:Pee-wee's Playhouse|Pee-wee's Playhouse]]" TV show. || [http://www.tvacres.com/enchanted_genies_jambie.htm TVAcres.com: Jambi bio]
|-
|[[Image:The Cheat as Toad.png|150px|The Cheat As Toad]]|| [[The Cheat]] || Toad || A mushroom servant from Nintendo's [[Mario|Super Mario Brothers]] video game series, Toad himself is usually singled out as being unique from the other Toads. Despite his sometimes annoying and panic-stricken manner, Toad often aids the player (usually [[Wikipedia:Mario|Mario]]) in surprisingly useful ways, which is probably why he and his mushroom-headed brethren have been around so long. They're supposed to serve as guards for [[Wikipedia:Princess Peach|Princess Peach]] but often fail horribly. || [[Wikipedia:Toad (Nintendo)|Wikipedia article]]
|-
|[[Image:BubsPotion-ma-jig.png|150px|Bubs As Apollo Creed]]|| [[Bubs]] || Apollo Creed || A character played by [[Wikipedia:Carl Weathers|Carl Weathers]] in the first four "[http://www.imdb.com/find?q=Rocky;s=all Rocky]" movies. In ''[[IMDB:tt0075148|Rocky]]'', Apollo Creed is the undefeated world champion whom Rocky Balboa fights in the climactic fight of the movie, while in later films, they become friends. Creed is killed in ''Rocky IV'' by Ivan Drago. || [[Wikipedia:Apollo Creed|Wikipedia article]]
|-
|[[Image:Strong Sad as Devo Member.png|150px|Strond Sad As Devo Member]]|| [[Strong Sad]] || Devo Member || Devo was a quirky American New Wave/Punk band. Their biggest hit was 1980's "Whip It", although are well known for other songs like "Girl U Want" and "Jocko Homo". Strong Sad is dressed as the band members dressed for the ''Freedom of Choice'' album cover and the "Whip It" music video, although they wore grey elephant skin jackets. His glasses indicate that he is probably [[Wikipedia:Mark Mothersbaugh|Mark Mothersbaugh]], or (less likely) [[Wikipedia:Alan Myers|Alan Myers]]. || [[Wikipedia:Devo|Wikipedia article]]
|-
|[[Image:Marzipan as Beaker.png|150px|Marzipan As Beaker]]|| [[Marzipan]] || Beaker || Dr. Bunsen Honeydew's lab assistant on [[Wikipedia:The Muppet Show|The Muppet Show]] and later Muppet productions, who speaks only in squeak-like "meeps" (much like The Cheat). || [[Wikipedia:Beaker (Muppet)|Wikipedia article]]
|}

[[Category: Halloween Costumes|Potion-ma-jig]]

HRWiki:Sandbox

DAGRON — Tue, 03 Jun 2008 19:57:37 GMT

DAGRON:

([[Special:Log/block|Block log]]); 14:38 . . [[User:Jay|Jay]] ([[User talk:Jay|Talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Jay|contribs]]) ''(blocked [[User:OptimisticFool]] with an expiry time of 1 month (account creation disabled): Trend of vandalism)''

:Yep, I was [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Log&type=block&page=User:OptimisticFool blocked] for about a minute. I find myself having to use a proxy server to type this because my own IP still seems to be blocked. =] Nice one, Jay. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 19:54, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
::I was tempted to put a block notice template on your page :P -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 19:57, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Teen Girl Squad

DAGRON — Fri, 23 May 2008 19:37:38 GMT

DAGRON: /* Earthworm Jim reference */

{{featuredarticle}}

Ok, let's all start to....

:Do you think we should link this page to the [[404'd]] page somehow? I think it belongs somewhere on this page, but I'm not quite sure where...
[[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|<=>Thunderbird<=>]]</tt>'']] 23:51, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)

::Done. Though it could probably use some work... →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

I like the movement of the pictures too. Especially since most pages are like that. (Why didn't I think of that...?)
[[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|<=>Thunderbird<=>]]</tt>'']] 20:54, 6 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Because I'm smarter than you. :) →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

::True, true... [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|<=>Thunderbird<=>]]</tt>'']] 20:57, 6 Mar 2005 (MST)

==Almost Teen Girl Squads==

There are already three of them under the 'Fun Facts', we have a section for Strong Bad Email, so why not Teen Girl Squad? ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|<=>Thunderbird<=>]]</tt>'' 15:29, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)

:I just added in the "Sample" under issues and left the 404 page and virus appearance as is. IMO, "Sample" is more of a partial-issue and and virus is just a reference (it's only one line...). Having Sample as a "half-issue" of TGS makes sense to me, but not virus or the 404 page. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 16:04, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)

::But remember, some of the "Not Quite Strong Bad Emails" have only one line or so as a reference, like Fan Costume Commentary. -- [[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 22:36, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::And I don't think that they count as "Not Quite Strong Bad Emails" either, but I think I'm in the minority there. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 00:08, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I don't think the thing from Death Metal counts as a half-issue; I think it belongs under "other appearences." Any thoughts? -[[User:Unknownwarrior33|Unknownwarrior33]] 23:36, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
:I agree completely. It's no different that a bunch of other emails that have cutaways to Old-Timey, 20X6, and whatever. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::What about "Issue 8 1/2?" Shouldn't that be in an Almost Teen Girl Squad, too? It seems pretty weird that it's counted as an actual issue. --[[User:Chupaqueso|Chupaqueso]]

==Funky Friends==

Teen Girl Squad seem to be a parody of Funky Friends (A girly fad). I once saw a comic about them that was very similar to Episode 3. One of the girls even looks like What's-Her-Face.

Although the concept of everybody dying is absent, TGS reminds me of Girl Squad from an episode of Dexter's Lab, wherein a bunch of girls would do stupid stuff because they thought they were fighting crime.

Y'now it reminds me of another girly fad called [http://www.2grrrls.com 2grrrls]. One of the girls is the splitting image of So-and-So. [[User:24.63.3.115|24.63.3.115]] 16:17, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

:Well, I can kinda see a vague resemblance, in that they're both stick figures with shoulder-length blond hair... but I wouldn't say "spitting image"... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 16:55, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
::Or even "spit and image". {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:31, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

== Too biographical? ==

Do we need so much info on the TGS' character pages? (i.e. stuff that happened in one toon) Shouldn't we stick with the general stuff? And seriously, dump "Cheerleader/What's Her Face/The Ugly One's real name is either Virginia, Joy, or Jennifer"; the names given [[comic]] are likely to be never used again. --[[User:Trogga|TROGGA!]] 02:34, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

:I think the more information that we can get (besides obvious stuff, like, "Cheerleader starts with 'C'") the better. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

[[wikipedia:Whatever_Happened_to_Robot_Jones|Whatever happened to]] [[HRWiki:Once And Only Once|Once And Only Once]]? --[[User:Trogga|TROGGA!]] 03:19, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

::To chime in with my two cents: I don't agree fully with either of you (I just have to be belligerent, huh? ;) ). Trogga: I think you take Once and Only Once far too seriously. It's okay if some information is duplicated, as long as it is duplicated appropriately. By your standards, there wouldn't be any character pages, because everything about the characters can logically be found in the various Toon pages... Firebird: The TGS character pages do seem a bit too cluttery to me. I think that character pages really should be about general character traits. The "hurt by" lists seem a bit excessive to me, especially as more TGS's appear... it would be like putting Strong Bad's email songs all listed on Strong Bad's character page... <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 03:24, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

:::I say we reword and brush out all the little stuff in the biography, and keep the "Hurt By" sections. This way the bio looks clean and all the things in it can go into "Hurt By". Make sense? (I'm sure it doesn't.) →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

::::That sounds aprettypretty good. The "hurt by" lists are fine if you don't have the same stuff written up in the biographical paragraph (which is how it is now). <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 03:32, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

I think that it only seems cluttered (even to me) because there aren't as many toons that they are in. That means that if you like them, you will watch the same things over again and if you want more information, you turn here. But since you have allready seen everything, it seems a bit repetitive.

== StereoTypes!!!! ==

Don't the TGS members look a lot like high school stereotypes? -Kinsey
:I believe that is the POINT of the whole comic. --[[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 18:46, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:Slightly obvious, but true

== its vs. it's - Running gag status? ==

''On the closing screen, the contraction "it's" is misspelled as the possessive "its."''

Is this a running gag or a goof? Please make your statements in the proper area below.

'''Arguments for Running gag:'''
*Obviously not every running gag appears in every issue; The Birds are a running gag too, and only appear in some issues. The fact that it happens four non-consecutive times argues against it being accidental, but I think it should be noted in some way.
*The fact that it's repeated 4 times--but not every time--increases its import.

'''Arguments for Goof:'''
*Also, it represents a grammar error on Strong Bad's part, which we tend to point out since he's so picky with other people.
*If it's a gag, then why come it doesn't happen every issue?
*The TGS font does't include apostrophes. Everytime TBC want to use one, they have to manually add it in. I guess it's not always worth the effort. Even Whats Her Face is missing an apostrophe. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}
**I think it's just them being lazy. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 19:58, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
*It's just an accident that has happened to occur multiple times. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 19:26, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
*Mike has admitted that he has trouble with its/it's. [[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 19:40, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
*I think they're sometimes just lazy with this... but a lazy goof is still a goof. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:45, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
*It is a simple gramatical error. Nothing more, nothing less. Come ''on'' people! {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 21:14, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)

'''Additional comments:'''
*Either way, it gets listed. Both goofs and running gags are automatically noted. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:34, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== Color vs. Black & White ==
For character pages, should we update the images with the color versions, where appropiate? Or should we just leave as is? Or should we put up a color image along with the black-and-white one? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 15:53, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

:Like [[Strong Bad|many]] [[Homestar Runner|other]] [[Strong Mad|pages]], I believe we should have ''both'' versions on the TGS character pages. {{User:gwr2004/sig}} 00:16, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
::I agree. The black-and-white pictures are the standard, so I think they definitely need to stay. However, the color pictures are interesting and show a version of what the characters look like. They both have a place. -[[User:Unknownwarrior33|Unknownwarrior33]] 23:39, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
== Capitalization ==
Okay guys, what's our policy on transcribing the TG's dialogue, with regard to capitalization? I mean, they don't capitalize ''anything''; we go as far as capitalizing the first letters of sentences for them. But shouldn't "it's our tenth issuev-ersary" '''not''' transcribe as "Issue-versary"? —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 00:05, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
:Given that it doesn't really affect the readability of the page, I don't think it's worth worrying about. -[[User:Unknownwarrior33|Unknownwarrior33]] 23:42, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

== Real-World Reference? ==

The TGS' refrain, "SO GOOD!" is the name of a song in the Bratz Rock Angelz Album. Ironically, the Bratz resemble the same teen girl stereotype:fashion-obsessed, trendy girls. Should this be mentioned?(By the way, the only reason I know this is because I was clicking "Random Page" on Wikipedia and stumbled apon it. I don't play with Bratz!) [[User:Llamanade|Llamanade]] 03:49, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
:Depending on when the Bratz CD came out, it's more likely a [[Sightings|sighting]], if it's anything. I.e. if it was after Dec. 2, 2002. But it's most likely a coincidence; James Brown's hit [[Wikipedia:I Got You {I Feel Good)|]] also features those words prominently, but that doesn't make this a reference to that. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:04, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

Did anyone else Notice the Cheerleader Icon in Untraceable on the kill with me site?

== "er" vs "a" ==

Anybody else find it a bit odd how the girls say their "er" suffixes as "a"? For example, see [[Olda Boys]]. Does anyone else think this is important enough to warrant some mention on the Wiki? --[User:breadtangle breadtangle] ([User_talk:breadtangle talk]) 02:38, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

I do. --[[User:Sam Goldfish|Sam Goldfish]] 15:05, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
:So do I. I recommend we mention it on this page. -[[User:Unknownwarrior33|Unknownwarrior33]] 23:43, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

==See Also vs Navigation Template==

Do we really need "See Also" if we have the navigation template at the bottom of the page with many of the links already there? And if it isn't in the template, shouldn't it be? I think the template is enough, using "See Also" only in instances where there is no Temlate, yet there is still a distinct link between no more than 2 or 3 pages. Good examples are [[Floppy Disk Container]] ⇔ [[Couch Mumbling]], and [[Quote of the Week]] ⇔ [[Weekly Fanstuff]] ⇔ [[Sketchbook]]. And then of course disambiguation is used only when the pages have similar page names. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:35, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

=="Back" Button==

Is it worth mentioning that in some issues the back button will bring you to the toons menu and in other issues it will bring you back to the TGS issue menu thing?

[[User:Darthvader66|Darthvader66]] 12:48, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

:Sure! {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:45, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

==South park similarities==
has anyone noticed the similarities between south park and tgs? for example, they die and then are back in the next episode with no explanation. same with south park's kenny mccormick. also, both have bad animation, feature four friends as the main characters, and have intentionally bad voice acting. ~ [[User:StrongChad|StrongChad]] 04:07 pm, 1/29/06
:Never thought about it before, but I'm willing to chalk it up to coincidence. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:08, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
::I agree. The brothers chaps have been known to express their hatred of things like south park, so they probably didnt' mean to be like it. {{User: Seriously/sig}} 23:40, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Maybe the reason that it is similar to south park is because they hate it; perhaps its something like a parody (I know that its a bit of a stretch). Plus, I think that there are still enough similarities, intentional or not, that it should be mentioned. ~ [[User:StrongChad|StrongChad]] 03:36 pm, 2/17/06

:::Good idea. That may just be true. {{User: Seriously/sig}} 23:47, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

From [[UMFM Interview - 20 May 2003]]:
<blockquote>'''KEVIN:''' There does seem to be an intergenerational appeal to the whole website too, probably because it’s never topical or overly crude or off-putting, just sort of pleasantly strange. Is that a conscious thing?
 '''MIKE:''' Yeah, definitely, I mean it’s still this way, but especially two or three years ago when Flash cartoons first were on the scene, you know, in ’99 and 2000, it seemed like everyone was trying to rip off South Park, or doing some parody of Star Wars, or the Budweiser "Wazzap" guys, so we didn’t want to resort to the crude.
 '''KEVIN:''' And you’re talking to somebody who never really got South Park in the first place, I mean a bunch of foul-mouthed little kids never struck me as really funny, although I know some people love it.
 '''MIKE:''' Yeah, exactly. I was intrigued by it in the first season and haven’t really watched it too much since. The notion of these little cartoon characters being able to say bad words and stuff like that really got overplayed back then, because it was the first time when you could distribute and make these little cartoons, and distribute them over the web and get a decent audience.</blockquote>
They don't really seem to hate ''South Park'', just ''South Park'' rip-offs. --[[User:Sam Goldfish|Sam Goldfish]] 01:58, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

== issue list ==

I decided to spruce up the issue list in the manner of the menu toons page. This added running times, years and screen shots. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 20:29, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
:Should the 8.5 and 10.5 appear where they are or under the heading of Other Appearances? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 22:31, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

== <s>Goof?</s> ==
<s>I've noticed that some of the TGS issue's back buttons go to the toon page, and some to the TGS page. Is this a goof?
--[[User:Super Martyo Brother|Super Martyo Brother]]</s>

Just read whole page, sorry!
--[[User:Super Martyo Brother|Super Martyo Brother]] 22:16, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

== Slashes? ==
"The Ahnberg Hand font used for Strong Bad's handwriting contains a few European-style slashes, including lowercase 'q' which The Brothers Chaps have been known to "Americanize". However, they have not altered the European seven in the current TGS main menu."

I have no idea what this paragraph even means.
:The font has slashes through the Qs and the 7s, which is a European thing. The Brothers Chaps usually edit the font, removing them. They forgot to do so here. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
==wuzza?==
The title of the teen girl squad menu is very hard to read.<math>Hardness to read + Iternet slang=confusion or same thing</math>.

== Earthworm Jim reference ==

This was added to the page by an IP:
<blockquote>The Ugly One's name may have been taken from the [[Wikipedia:Earthworm Jim (series)|''Earthworm Jim'']] [[Wikipedia:Earthworm Jim (TV series)|animated series]] where Queen Slug-for-a-Butt referred to her twin sister, Princess What's-Her-Name, as "the ugly one".</blockquote>
I reverted it because I think the name refer to the teenage stereotype, like the other girls. I also noticed that the character's name is also similar to What's Her Face. Any comments? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 14:59, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
:It sounds plausible to me; if it wasn't an influence on TBC then it's a pretty big coincidence. In any case, the way it is worded ("may have been") sounds pretty safe to me. I think we should put this back in. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 17:54, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
::I'm with ELC. Looks like a coincidence to me. All of the girls have [[Nondescript Nouns]] as names. The joke as I understand it is that Earthworm Jim did something similar - the princess mentioned had no official name so she was only described through Nondescript Nouns. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:59, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
:::As someone who was familiar with Earthworm Jim (I can't tell from the previous comments if you all were), I don't think there's any connection. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 19:37, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Rap Song

DAGRON — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:11:31 GMT

DAGRON: /**/Green the Cheat

==Coach Z Doesn't Sound Like Himself==
Hey!!! did any of you notice that coach z doesnt sound like himself until the rap{{unsigned|67.170.119.144|0:45:18, 2007-11-13}}

:That because it was a powered by the cheat cartoon.{{unsigned|68.210.53.58|0:53:04, 2007-11-12}}
:The Cheat is doing the voices.{{unsigned|75.72.21.221|0:53:29, 2007-11-12}}
:That would be great... I mean [[Mike]]. He tends to do that for those [[Powered by The Cheat]] thingies. But perhaps it should be mentioned in the transcript when it's a PBTC voice and when it's Coach Z's voice. -- [[User:Laser-Grilled Crab & Cheese Sandwich|LGC&CS]] 01:32, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::How should it be noted, however? It doesn't look like there is any precedent for dialog in a PBTC voice and then a musical piece with the regular voice. Should {PBTC} noted in front of each line, or note in the description? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 14:57, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::I'd support putting "Powered by the Cheat" or something tothat effect in front of everyone's name until the song starts. The Cheat made an intro on his own, and then made a video to a previously recorded R-A-P S-O-N-G. That's my view of it, at least. [[User:132.161.138.10|132.161.138.10]] 20:35, 13 November 2007 (UTC) (I used to have an accoun, but I guess if you use it too infrequently it's DELETED? That's happened to me twice.)
:::I'm pretty sure accounts are only deleted under extreme circumstances. I believe this is the case in most wikis, sometimes for legal reasons as well as technical ones. Here at the HRWiki, I don't think [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/ the license] prevents them from deleting accounts (though I'm 1: not a lawyer, and 2: haven't really read the license looking for that kind of thing), but the technical issues here remain the same as anywhere else: If you delete an account, what happens to all of their edits? In any case, knowing what your account names were would help in tracking down the problem, and a [[Special:Listusers/sysop|sysop]] could help you if you brought it to their attention. Well, if it's an account issue, you might just need a [[Special:Listusers/bureaucrat|bureaucrat]]. -- [[User:Laser-Grilled Crab & Cheese Sandwich|LGC&CS]] 03:36, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

==Dr. Dre Reference==
I'm glad to see the Dr. Dre "reference" was deleted. I'm sorry I spent the time adding links. Besides that it's a rap song (and rap songs are all alike, right?) I don't see the similarity. And I'm certainly not comfortable with the links because of the profanity in the Wikipedia articles. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 02:14, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

:I'm unfamiliar with the song, so I have no clue if there's any hidden references to it in this toon. I removed it because... well, I think facts that say "there is a reference to whatever" without saying what, exactly, the reference *is*, are essentially useless. They more or less expect you to *know*, which not everyone does. -{{User:YK/sig}} 02:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

==Incorrect reference for Mix Tape==
I think the fun fact is grabbing the wrong part of the Wikipedia entry for "mix tape." This 'toon is definitely referring to the Hip Hop definition of mix tape, more like a demo than a home-made sample of other people's tracks.

From wikipedia:
"Often each track on a promotional hip hop mixtape will feature the same artist, thus making it more difficult to differentiate from the definition of a standard album. However, these mixtapes will usually have much lower production values than a studio album (such as housing "Demo" versions of tracks, or simply un-mastered/un-mixed versions of the tracks), and contain numerous collaborations, remixes, freestyles and voice-overs, often arranged in a specific flowing fashion, much like retail albums are."
--[[User:24.188.228.33|24.188.228.33]] 05:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

...Oh jeez. You're probably right. --[[User:Duck Secks|Duck Secks]] 02:36, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

==New Math==

<blockquote>
*"My name is [[Tenerence Love]]" actually equals <math>Tenerence Love + 1</math> by order of operations, not <math>Tenerence Love remainder 3</math> as stated.
**Additionally, if the equation is interpreted as <math>(My name is Tenerence Love + My Name is Tenerence Love) / My name is Tenerence Love </math>, it should equal two, by factoring.
</blockquote>

...so, we're debating the mathematical formula behind what're basically nonsensical lyrics? As I said in the edit summary when I removed these, this seems to be talk page material and nothing more. Anyone? -{{User:YK/sig}} 05:12, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

::I was about to say the same thing. They're FUN facts, people. Who honestly cares whether or not it would be remainder three or the square root of piemonade???? I vote DELORTED!!--{{User:NevaDie/sig}} 05:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC) Edit: oh, it already was delorted. Too little too late.
Keep it civil. I actually found this very interesting and worked it out for myself. ''MyNameIsTenerenceLove'' = –1 if you perform the addition before the division; otherwise it is undefined. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:03, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:I'm not saying it's not *true* or anything... I think it's great talk page material, but trying to analyze a nonsensical "math problem" in a comical rap song seems... a bit odd, IMO. -{{User:YK/sig}} 07:32, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::Hmm... I guess I hear the maths differently to you guys... I hear it as (abbreviating ''MyNameIsTenerenceLove'' as <math>x</math> for readability): <math>\frac{x+x}x = x\mbox{ r}3</math>, that is: <math>\frac{x+x}x = x + \frac 3 x</math> which solves to <math>x=1 \plusmn \sqrt 2 i\,</math>. Of course, this has problems, as the "remainder" thingy usually only makes sense when you're dealing with integers, not complex numbers... but it's a reasonable extension. Anyways, the order-of-operations reading, <math>x+\frac x x=x\mbox{ r}3</math>, makes even less sense, since the division has to be the last step for the remainder thing to make sense. Also, I'm with YK here... precedent is that pointless mathematical overanalysis, however fun, belongs on the talk page. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:52, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Glad to see I'm not the only one who heard that and thought of a quadratic equation. I'm tempted to claim this is an IR to Virus ("Did the quadratic formula explode?" -SB) but that's... um... unlikely. At best. It could also be a nod to the old Bogus Mathematical Theorems, but I doubt that as well. Anyway, for the record, even though it makes no sense to state the equation with a remainder using the order of operations reading, you can still solve it for ''MyNameIsTenerenceLove''. It's 3. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 21:21, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

To anyone who wants this in the article: Y'all buscuitheads, you remind me of ''[[Wikipedia:A Beautiful Mind (film)|A Beautiful Mind]]'' — "finding" meaning in the meaningless. Rondleman, you crack me up. Crack! Me! Up! (P.S. I <s>hated</s> strongly disliked ''A Beautiful Mind''.) Whew, I get ornery at 1:00 in the morning! I do have to say, "the square root of piemonade" made me laugh. Thanks for that, Nevadie. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 08:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

It's just a parody of the fact that he said "plus" in the second line, which can mean adding in the grammatical sense or in the mathematical sense. It's called poetic license. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 20:16, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Awexome. Poetic license and all that. Oh, and dot com, I wasn't being uncivil. Only sarcastic.--{{User:NevaDie/sig}} 22:00, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

"Finding meaning in the meaningless"? Isn't that the whole point of this wiki? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 00:11, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:The equation is impossible, given the "remainder 3" part that you all seem to be ignoring, order of operations, there's no way to have a remainder three in such a case, and order given, there's no remainder at all. This is not a real equation, it's impossible to solve, and we shouldn't even try. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:15, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::The equation, performed in the stated order, is perfectly solvable if you think of it as a quadratic equation and treat "MyNameIsTeneranceLove" as a variable (say, X). The "remainder 3" would then be "X remainder 3," which is just another way of saying "X plus 3 over X." Phlip explained this quite adequately. If you take the order of operations into account, the equation is even easier to solve. It's first year algebra, and X ends up equaling 3. Sompm's HS math teacher explains this one below, and it's pointed out (sans explanation) above. The fact that it really makes no sense to use a remainder in this kind of equation, and that you wouldn't actually encounter such a problem (either version) in real life, does not make it "impossible to solve." We've solved it. Both versions. Several times. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 04:46, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

::I think the problem here is people are assuming that the mathematical operations being used are defined in the "normal" way, and that phrases such as "My name is Tenerence Love" can be treated as a variable, or a value in some set of numbers. While I think [[TBC]] were just being silly, if anyone were to seriously attempt to analyze these quasi-mathematical statements it'd probably be wiser to interpret them using some other definition for the operations. 1+1 does not always equal 2. Addition with real numbers is defined differently than it is for matrices, or in an abelian group defined over an elliptic curve. [[Wikipedia:Abstract_algebra]] is a good place to start if you really want to damage your ability to see mathematics the same way ever again. -- [[User:Laser-Grilled Crab & Cheese Sandwich|LGC&CS]] 00:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::hmm... but there isn't really such a thing as dividing matricies. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:27, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Inverse matrices. Division in the set of reals is simply multiplication by the inverse of the divisor <math>(\tfrac{3}{4} = 3 * 4^{-1})</math>. It's a little harder to find the inverse of a matrix than it is in simple algebra, but that's the closest thing to division in matrix math. Not all operations are defined for all sets anyway. That was partially my point. My other point was that mathematical operations have been defined in a number of ways not familiar to most people, and can be freely redefined (especially since people made it all up in the first place). In this case, only [[Tenerence Love]] could really tell us what this was supposed to mean. And in reality, it was most likely just TBC being silly. I don't think either of them has advanced knowledge of math, given that Mike studied Fine Arts, and Matt went to film school. Tenerence Love's probably not a mathematician either, neglecting the fact that he doesn't actually exist beyond H*R. -- [[User:Laser-Grilled Crab & Cheese Sandwich|LGC&CS]] 09:40, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I was value-ing this, and here's what I came up with: 5 plus five (ten) divided by five is three off five. is my name is tenerence love 5? oh, wait, I just figured out. that's not hor remainders workI was value-ing this, and here's what I came up with: 5 plus five (ten) divided by five is three off five. is my name is tenerence love 5? oh, wait, I just figured out. that's not how remainders work [[User:Sompm|Sompm]]

I ran it by my highshool math teacher mother, and we came up with this: according to the order of oprations, we divide x by x first, to get one, so it's x+1 = xR3, and because the fraction of the division is the remainder over the denominator so it's x+1=x+3/x. if x is 3, the x+1=x+1.
in short, "my name is tenerence love" is 3. [[User:Sompm|Sompm]] 02:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Anony ties lowercase i's in: [[User:Dagron|Dagron]] 02:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
"*Solving (Tenerence Love + Tenerence Love)/Tenerence Love = Tenerence Love remainder 3 yields Tenerence Love = 1+i√2 or 1-i√2. This is another instance of [[lowercase i's]]."

A slight correction for Dagron:
When you plug 1-i√2 back into the equation, you get 0 = 4i√2. If you write out the equation as you did, only 1+i√2 correctly solves for Tenerence Love. This, of course, ignores that when it is calculated by the ordinary order of operations (as was pointed out by Sompm and the math-teach-mommy), the answer is just 3.

but didn't he say "equals tenayeaaarence love!"?? so it's a whole different integer! x+x/x='''Y'''R3! no problems! [[User:Sompm|Sompm]]

:An instance of Lowercase i's. From the solution to a fake math problem. That may well be the best stretch ever. Even better than the Iron Sheik/Iron Cheek/Buns of Steel connection and the Eggs/Organic Batteries/"Eggs Not A Fruit" connection. I love it. (Ok, ok, forgive the blatant sarcasm, but this is just too funny. =P) -{{User:YK/sig}} 03:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Ok, we get it; some people don't think math is fun. We don't need those of you in that category to stomp all over our fun. In regards to the different interpretations of the formula, it seems that the most viable one is the one represented VISUALLY in the rap song itself. We don't just have a spoken word, we have a text as well, which should clear up all ambiguity. -TheHat 03:55, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Oh wow, I hadn't even noticed all this was going on when I added that comment again myself. Sorry. [[User:162.84.76.224|162.84.76.224]] 02:52, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

I just gotta say, I was also thinking about the math of this. And to all of y'all who think it's weird or strange, there are those of us who find math interesting. I myself am an engineering student. If if it wasn't people like us, the computer connected to the internet and running on the outlet power that you're using wouldn't be at all possible. -Eaglescout1984 02:38 19 November 2007 (GMT)

== warsh ==

I'm not sure if anyone cares, and I'm sure it doesn't belong in the article anywhere, but I thought it might be worth mentioning that in some areas of Eastern Canada, especially [[wikipedia:Prince Edward Island|PEI]], pronouncing the word "wash" as "warsh" is actually part of a regional accent. I used to live in that region, and almost nobody my age ever said it like that, but a lot of us had parents who did. Also common around there is saying "slippy" instead of "slippery", and saying the word "barrel" in such a way that it sort of rhymes with "Carl". - [[User:24.71.223.142|24.71.223.142]] 05:24, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

:Warsh is also a common pronunciation of wash in Kentucky and some areas further south. Unusual that it makes the long leap up to Canada and skips over everything in between. [[User:Maktaka|Maktaka]] 09:39, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::As interesting as that is, I don't think it has anything to do with Coach Z's pronounciation of the word. He simply pronounces all words like that, and the majority of them do not sound similar to any other accent in any region. (For example, Port = Putt. What?) {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 10:11, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:::If I recall, Coach Z was originally intended to have a sort of US midlands accent that quickly began to devolve and get weird, until it's really just replacing some sounds with "or" and "ar" sounds. Now it doesn't really resemble any sort of language at all. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::::My grandma (born and raised in Minnesota) has always said "warsh" .. I'll bet it's a reference to her! Will someone please add this to the article: '''"Wash" being spelled as "warsh" is a reference to [[User:OptimisticFool|OptimisticFool]]'s grandma who has always pronounced it that way."''' By the way, it's not Coach Z's pronunciation we should be talking about here; The Cheat is responsible for the word "warsh" .. not Coach Z. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 05:01, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::My Hoosier relatives have been know to say "worsh" and/or "warsh" on occasion. Say, aren't TBC from Indiana? --[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 21:48, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Wash was also spelled and pronounced as "worsh" in 20X6 vs. 1936. Perhaps it's a referance to that too! Personally, I feel it's a TTAOT. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 05:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

==Anthropomorphic Egg==
When I saw the egg chasing after Peacy P's limo/waffle house, my first thought was that it was supposed to be one of the villains from Data East's [[Wikipedia:Burgertime|Burgertime]], but a quick check of the box art shows that the egg didn't wear a domino mask as portrayed here. Is this a ''Burgertime'' reference despite the cosmetic difference, or is the significance of the egg relevant to something else? [[User: Nekouken|Nekouken]]
:Dude, it's breakfast, and it's walking. Some things in these cartoons are just silly for the sake of silly, not everything is a reference to something and/or has a hidden meaning. - [[User:24.71.223.142|24.71.223.142]] 05:57, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I did notice one thing about the '''EGG'''. And that is that the '''EGG''' appears to be holding a gun, and also the '''EGG''' has legs, and an animation (running) that seams almost Identical to that game on H*R where you shoot each other, have the same style leggs as this '''EGG''' and run the same way the '''EGG''' does in this video. I think the game was called "Where's an..." Damn! I forgot the last word of the title... [[User:MJN SEIFER|MJN SEIFER]] 15:04, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

==Nate Dogg==

I believe that Tenerence Love is 'sposed to sound like Nate Dogg. And also "It don't stop" is something that alot of rappers (especially Snoop Dogg) says. [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 07:02, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:Tenerence Love wearing a donut reminded me of Luther Vandross and his infamous diet, but I don't necessarily think that's a reference, either. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 13:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

== Rap Song Visuals ==

Someone needs to write a separate article for the video's visuals (I don't know if I have time to do it) [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 14:18, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

==Fast Food Freestyle==
This supposed RWR ("Peacey P places an order for food much like in the video "Fast Food Freestyle" on Youtube.") needs some discussing, methinks. Pretty funny video, and similar, but sometimes there's an overlap in ideas that TBC may think are original but that have been done before. Is it a reference? {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 15:56, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
::I'd have to say TTATOT. It's just another random thing they do. Ordering breakfast in the middle of a rap song.--{{User:NevaDie/sig}} 21:58, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

== Peacey P ==

...is the abbreviation PCP, which can mean a lot of things ([http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PCP]), but probably Phencyclidine. This would make it another drug reference. --[[User:91.97.14.14|91.97.14.14]] 16:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:See his character page. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 18:27, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

==Coach Z's accessories==
If you may notice, Coach Z's hat and Z change during the toon. {{User:Don't say jorb 101/sig}}
:That's because The <strike>Chort</strike> Cheat isn't a very good Flash animator. -{{User:YK/sig}} 01:09, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

==I don't even know who's song this is==

Is that part a reference to the reputation of rap songs sampling other songs without permission? [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 20:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:I took it as him admitting that he works with so many other rappers that he can't even keep track of whose song he's in at the moment.[[User:Some kind of scientist|Some kind of scientist]] 01:52, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::What about the "I thought I made that abundantly clear!"? [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 03:32, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

== Yes Yes, Yall ==

reference to the Will Smith song? most likely a coincidence, but i immediately thought of the Will Smith song Yes, Yes Yall (i think that's what it's called). whatchyall think? --[[User:EricTheDerek|EricTheDerek]] 20:22, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

==The end distortion==

When the picture is distorted at the end, the singers sound nauseated. I don't remember this originally. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 03:31, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

== Sterrance in background of last section? ==

Take a look at the last section of the rap song when Tenerance Love is flying by on a doughnut. What is that pink thing on the right? It vaguely reminds me of [[Sterrance]] from [[animal]] but it's a bit off. Any ideas? --[[User:Spoom|Spoom]] 04:18, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:Hated to remove this from the page, but it's actually the running Egg from the breakfast. Y'all biscuitheads! -- → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … ''Y'all biscuitheads!'' 04:44, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::Ah, obviously :^P Don't worry about it, I never actually added this to the page before I put it here, so someone must have been overly ambitious. --[[User:Spoom|Spoom]] 05:16, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

== Waffle House ==

Does the explaination of what Waffle House is (Since it's where Peacey orders breakfast, though named differently) seem worth including on the page? Also, can anyone tell what name is scribbled on the top of his order? → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … ''Y'all biscuitheads!'' 04:46, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

The name looks to be "_est Chef" with the blank being unreadable (to me) but I assume it's "Best Chef". Nothing there, I guess. Interesting though that "Tos" for "Toast" is there, when previously it was "Toz" for "Toes". → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … ''Y'all biscuitheads!'' 04:53, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

== Noteworthy "pseudo-goofs?" ==

I'm surprised no one's made mention of a few "pseudo-goofs":

* At the words "come to do his landry," Coach Z briefly appears to have two left forearms.

* After Coach Z asks if he can record on new album, Peacey-P's body clearly disconnects from his head.

* Coach Z's left eye briefly pops out of his head at the words "I thought I made that abundantly clear!"

* When singing, Tenerance Love's moustache and goatee occasionally overlap his microphone.

These are obviously not honest goofs, but they stand out as exceptional even considering The Cheat's usual two-years-old-boy style. Worth adding to "Remarks?" [[User:Catgirl|Catgirl]] 05:17, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

:They *have* been mentioned, repeatedly. They just keep getting removed, because we don't point out The Cheat's "goofs". The "feauring" thing is an exception because that appears to be an honest typo. It's correct the other two times, and Teh C doesn't have a history of typoes or misspellings. -{{User:YK/sig}} 05:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::I thought we normally put PbTC "goofs" under Remarks. I know for a fact we've done it before (in [[animal]], for example). --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Granted I just skimmed it, but I didn't see any PbTC "goofs" listed in the Remarks section of [[animal]]. You sure that's the one meant? -{{User:YK/sig}} 06:02, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::::I know there was something in there at one point... About how objects pass overtop the christmas lights, but under the fanglyfish... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 06:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::I feel that these pseudo-goofs do deserve some merit. I didn't see the first and third pseudo-goofs, and I found them interesting. I feel they should go under the "remarks" section. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 06:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::Agreed, they probably should go *somewhere* in the fun facts, but given the sheer number of them, it seems like they'd just clutter the Remarks section... Perhaps a new subsection for PbTC toons? -{{User:YK/sig}} 06:37, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::::That sounds good. Maybe it could be a subsection of goofs. (Call it PbTC goofs or something). {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 06:48, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::::The notion of making a sub-section for this type of content seems quite warranted, especially if such things keep getting added and deleted. My feeling is that if TBC went through the trouble of glitching up PbTC segments, it's worth documenting. "PbTC Goofs" or "PbTC Style" seem good to me. [[User:Catgirl|Catgirl]] 16:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Maybe these should go in [[Rap Song Visuals]], if anywhere. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 17:00, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Did anyone notice the extra buttons on the end of the rap on the radio? [[User:SCchilidog]]16:32 Dec 5, 2007

== "I'm the best guest rapper in the music biz" visual ==

I noticed that visual where Peacey P is rapping in front of his golden record, all but his afro is reflected.
:Another psuedo-goof? (See above). {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 07:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

It's just because his afro is black and the background of the golden record is black. His reflection is underneath the actual record.
:No, his afro is definitely missing. IMO, this one's worth mentioning cause it's not so noticeable and isn't the typical screwed up transformation/alignment that always go with PBTC stuff, but is a distinct oversight (probably intentional). But it'd probably just get deleted again. [[User:65.2.33.109|65.2.33.109]] 06:36, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
::Looks to me like the afro is missing, too. Could be a goof, but my bet is it belongs in the [[Rap Song Visuals]] page. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 21:26, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:::It looks to me like the background is just too dark to reflect it. Either way, it's a the Cheat Flash animation, so such a "goof" can probably be chalked up to his skill or lack thereof.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:07, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

==Superfluous explanations==

Do we really need to be told what words are portmanteaus? Is this just another example of people needing so badly to put their name on the article that they add obvious information?
:[[portmanteaus]] are a running gag, and should of course be mentioned. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:26, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

== The Stow in Crample-O Stow. ==

Is it just me - or is the "STOW" on "Crample-O Stow" another reference to [[Style]]? Think about it. Crample-O contains "Cramp" and "Stow" sounds exactly like a "ghetto" type mutilation of the word "Style". Crample-O Stow is most likely a mangling of "Cramping of Style" or something similar. Someone else can probably pinpoint the actual phrase that's being obscured better than I can. Heck, the Rap Song even contains "You're crampin' my style!". → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … ''Y'all biscuitheads!'' 06:06, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:Actually now I see it on the Style page, though I don't think it's actually "crampin' my style." Oh well. → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … ''Y'all biscuitheads!'' 06:09, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:I definitely thought that too, but wasn't sure if it merited putting in. Well, it's in now! :P [[User:Octan|Octan]] 20:50, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

== The Cheat's Animation Style ==

Does anyone else think that The Cheat's style of flash animation is becoming more mature with this video? Some of the visuals are really quite well done. Is it worth mentioning?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 11:52, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:I don't really see any difference between this and the older cheat stuff... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 11:53, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
::The bulge effect was impressive, but not much else was different from, say, Everybody to the Limit. And the silhouetted dancers aren't that hard to do when working from reference. [[User:71.231.56.40|71.231.56.40]] 17:25, 20 November 2007 (UTC)
:::However, if you notice, in some parts of the video, Coach Z and Peacey P are drawn with more realistic proportions, actually looking like real people, rather than the usual characters in the H*R universe. At least, I think so.--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 13:14, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
::::I wouldn't say that Teh C's style isn't remarkably better than [[Everybody to the Limit]]. It's clear that Teh C's [[The Cheat Theme Song|four]] [[Everybody to the Limit|music]] [[Hip Hop Dance|video]] [[Rap Song|projects]] are much higher quality than his [[Crazy Cartoon|standard]] [[mile|animation]] [[New Boots|projects]].[[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 14:48, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::Coach Z and Peacey P are both colored right, and overall the animations seem more consistent. I think you're right, Flashfight. The random [[PbTC]] stuff is supposed to be bad, whereas [[TBC]] wants the music videos to be good, though still in the PBTC style. I know I find this latest video very appealing. I can't get the song or the visuals out of my head, and I don't really mind either. -- [[User:Laser-Grilled Crab & Cheese Sandwich|LGC&CS]] 19:53, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

==Ben Cousins's Tattoo==
This RWR was inexplicably removed, so I re-added it but decided to provide a link here on the talk page to make it painfully obvious that this is a reference. First, I found some pictures of the [http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,22384115-5005401,00.html actual tattoo], and for improved legibility, here's a link to show some [http://search.ebay.com.au/search/search.dll?satitle=Such+is+Life shirts] designed to match his tattoo. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 14:44, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

:Except, isn't that a common style of tattoo, particularly among rappers? I believe "Thug Life" tattoos are in the same place, shape and font. I don't have the cartoon open to compare it to, though. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 16:00, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
::[[Wikipedia:2Pac|2Pac]]'s [http://www.thugradio.net/thuglifepacsstomache.jpg thug life tattoo] is in the right shape (though the arc is quite a bit shallower), but wrong font, and it uses an image (a bullet) for one of the letters. Granted, people have immitated 2Pac's tat and gotten closer to the font used in this short, but I doubt TBC was going for a "reference to an immitation of the tattoo of somebody famous". Visually, the "RAP SONG" tattoo is a better match to Ben Cousins's tattoo, although it would make more sense for this to be a parody of a rapper tattoo. So maybe it's TTATOT. And hey, I'm anti-tattoo.. so, while I think the wiki should be accurate, it wouldn't break my heart to see this reference go. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 16:36, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:::I removed it as TTATOT, though I do think it's really a direct reference to Tupac's. TBC have referenced it twice before, in [[Halloween Fairstival]], and in its corresponding creator's commentary. [[User:Dagron|Dagron]] 03:06, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

==Three Times One Minus One==
Does anybody else think that the RWR implying this mess refers "to David Cross and Bob Odenkirk's spoof R&B duo 'Three Times One Minus One'" is TTATOT? [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 08:21, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:Decidedly '''not a reference'''. Removed. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 15:31, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

== Mumbling ==
Are we sure that it's supposed to be Peacey P at the beginning? It struck me as just some kind of PBTC... sound effect? [[User:Dagron|Dagron]] 21:47, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
:At first it struck me as a sound effect too, like random "music" or something following Peacey P around, but Coach Z reacts to it as though he's speaking ("I can understand well that's a yes..."), so I think it's actually supposed to be P mumbling or rapping incoherently. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 04:18, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

== Do his landry ==
Do you suppose TBC chose to mispronounce "laundry" ''specifically'' as "landry", since Tom Landry is a famous ''coach'' of the Dallas Cowboys? -- TJDevil02

:I think that's just what "Laundry" would sound like with Coach Z's accent.--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 13:12, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

There may be something to this. In "A Decemberween Pageant," he tells someone they're on again in farve. Pronounced like the last name of packers QB Brett Favre.

==spelling of the word "crisp"==
I really don't think this is a Crips reference. I think if any allusion is being made, it's the frequent error of saying "aks" instead of "ask".
[[User:171.64.126.37|171.64.126.37]]
:I don't think either of those is a reference. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:24, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
::I personally think it's a spelling mistake. Period. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:27, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

== Dry Toast ==

The first thing Peacey P orders in the diner is a piece of dry toast. Could this possibly refer to Elwood Blues of the Blues Brothers? His signature food was one piece dry white toast. Just a thought.--[[User:Gaeamil|Gaeamil]] 01:12, 27 November 2007 (UTC)
:If that was the only thing he ordered, I might agree with you, but he orders more, so I don't think it's relevant. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 01:34, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

== Out in the "Cold" ==

This is now the third time someone's inserted the word "cold" improperly into a song: the first two were [[coloring]] ("Sippin' on a bottle o' email, cold havin' a picnic lunch with some coworkers") and [[An Important Rap Song]] ("You stroll into the kitchen, and what do you find? A bunch of knives cold staring at you!") Is this a reference to something, maybe a common practice in rap songs or something? Or is it just something TBC have been doing repeatedly for no reason (i.e. Running Gag page fodder?) [[User:Octan|Octan]] 20:57, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
:It's common practice to use "cold" as an adverb. Not just in rap, either. It's mostly street slang, as far as I know. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 22:58, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

== Your Funeral ==

When Coach Z accidentally tapes over Strong Bad's self-eulogy, was that an early recording of what would become this song? Or does his rap songs always sound like that? - Cyndentia who forgot how to link

=="flake"?==
Part of the song says:
COACH Z AND PEACEY P: R-A-P-S-O-N-G, yes,
Yes, y'all, and we don't flake,

COACH Z: Here comes Tenerence Love with an R&B break!

What does "flake" mean in this song? I was surprised that wasn't in the explainations section. [[User:Kvn8907|Kvn8907]] 21:20, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

:As I know it (and I could be missing some 'new' meaning...) flaking is basically saying you will do something and then not doing it. For example "We were going to meet Jim at the movies but he totally flaked." could mean Jim either forgot to show up or chose not to, without letting the other parties know, even though he made plans to be there. So in the song I take it to mean "We don't flake" = "We do everything we say we're going to do without fail." :B '''→''' {{User:Peacey_P/sig}} 05:44, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

== P, comma, Peace-ay ==
Though it's difficult to hear, doesn't it seem that Peacey P should have said "P, comma 'eace-ay", rather than having the P in there twice? [[User:StarLion|StarLion]] 20:20, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
:No, his name is Peacey P. Formally, last name first, it would be "P, Peacey". --[[User:DorianGray|Gray, Dorian]] 20:34, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
::Ah, i see now. I was reading it as if it was him just saying his first name and breaking it up.

== It's Time to Play "Where's The Cheat"! ==

Is it notable that this would be the website's first PBTC toon not to include any references to The Cheat? (I counted the gold tooth in [[marzipan]] as a reference) [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 23:26, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
:No, since it's not accurate. Teh C provided voices for Coach Z and Peacey P in the laundromat scene. [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 04:53, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
::The Cheat is famous for his self-insertion cameos in his cartoons, though. Which, I think, is the Bad Guy's point. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:55, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
::Oh, my bad. I had not seen "PBTC" in B^2G's post. I still wouldn't call it notable, but since my argument is moot, I'll Strongly Abstain (RIP Old STUFF) [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 15:13, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
::Without having seen it, I cant be sure, but The Cheat doesn't mention himself in the Grumblecakes video, nor Home Page 15, nor These peoples try to fade me. If you want to include partial PBTC stuff (as your reference to marzipan is), then add in [[narrator]] as having no mention of The Cheat. I suppose you could throw [[web comics]] in there, too. -[[User:StarLion|StarLion]] 17:02, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, Grumblecakes and These Peoples are not part of the website, Main Page 15 and web comics are not toons, and narrator I just forgot about since it was so short. I'm gonna revise my fact some more. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:38, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
::::Saying Grumblecakes and TPTTFM don't count because they aren't on the wedsite is taking a frankly dangerous step towards limiting the Body of Work discussed on this wiki [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 06:22, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

== Beastie Boys reference ==

I'm pulling that one out for the time being. I'm certainly no hip-hop expert, but I have a relatively good-sized collection of the old school, and the "and we don't stop/quit/break/whatever" phrase is used quite a bit. If there's any tune that particular phrase and the rest of that little segment make me think of, it's 8th Wonder by the Sugarhill Gang. However, my overall point is that short of a direct mention in a future commentary, I think we should hold off on trying to connect certain phrases to particular songs unless it's extremely overt.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:46, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
:And just for the record, I'd consider "extremely overt" to be something like the "lyricbolical Coach Z" line, which can hardly be anything but a reference to that Biz Markie tune.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:48, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
:I think you might be right. "And we don't stop" has so far been attributed to "Posse in Effect" and "Sure Shot", both by the Beasties. It'll probably pop up in other songs as well. "We make references, and we don't stop!"{{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:42, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

== Green the Cheat ==

Regarding the recent edit, the color change is easier to see if you look outside the frame. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 15:11, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Rap Song

DAGRON — Fri, 23 May 2008 15:09:36 GMT

DAGRON: undid revision 565386; it always looked like a color change to me

{{about|[[Powered by The Cheat]] toon}} {{for|[[Cheat Commandos]] short|An Important Rap Song}}
{{watchtoon|rapsong.html}}

[[Image:Rapsong screen.png‎ |thumb|right|220px|"I said ''accidentally'' featuring Peacey P!"]]

'''Powered by The Cheat'''

The Cheat is working on a music video starring Coach Z and accidentally featuring Peacey P.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Coach Z}}, [[Peacey P]], [[Tenerence Love]], {{Film|The Cheat}}

'''Places:''' [[The Cheat's Computer Room]]

'''Date:''' Monday, November 12, 2007

'''Running Time:''' 2:40

'''Page Title:''' [[Crample-O Stow Records]] Present!

==Transcript==
''{Open to a close-up of a washing machine with clothes tumbling inside. The washing machine has the word "Warsh" on it. Zoom out to a view of Coach Z in a laundromat, standing next to the washing machines and a basket of clothes.}''

'''COACH Z:''' ''{Powered by The Cheat voice}'' Can I borrow some detergent from you, please?

''{Peacey P comes over in spinning 2-dimensional form with a basket of clothes, mumbling incoherently.}''

'''COACH Z:''' Say, wait! Look, it's the rapping man, come to do his landry! I was supposed to ask, can you record ''{said as RECK-erd}'' on my new ablum?

'''PEACEY P:''' ''{mumbling while bouncing, his body bounces away to the right while his head floats where it is, then his body slowly slides back in line with his head.}''

'''COACH Z:''' I can understand well that's the yes! Hit it one-two go rap song!

''{Cut to a close-up of a boombox, with a tape in it labeled "Mick's Tape". Hip-hop music starts playing. The credits appear:}''

<blockquote>Coach Z and Peacey P featuring Peacey P/ 
featuring Tenerence Love/ feauring Peacey P 
"Rap Song" 
The Lyricbolical Coach Z 
Crample-O Stow Records</blockquote>

'''COACH Z:''' ''{rapping in normal voice}'' Coach Z, R-A-P, 
Accidentally featuring Peacey P.

'''PEACEY P:''' ''{rapping in normal voice}'' You biscuithead, you ain't featurin' me!

'''COACH Z:''' I said ''accidentally'' featuring Peacey P! 

I'm the lyricbolical Coach-Z, 
I like my ointments topical most-ly, 
And if you got the itchy toes, then come see me, 
I got a rap song, featuring Peacey P!

'''PEACEY P:''' My name is P, comma, Peace-ay, 
I likes to eat my bacon all grease-ay, 
I'm the best guest rapper in the music biz, 
I ain't even know whose song this is! 

'''COACH Z:''' ''{speaking}'' It's mine! I thought I made that abundantly clear! ''{green goo spews fom Coach Z's left eye}'' Here comes the hook!

'''COACH Z AND PEACEY P:''' ''{rapping}'' R-A-P-S-O-N-G, yes, 
Yes, y'all, and we don't stap, 
Coach Z and Peacey P cold rappity-rap!

'''PEACEY P:''' Much money, mo' money, cash money, drop!

'''COACH Z:''' I'm the rhyme janitor wringin' out my mop!

'''PEACEY P:''' Stop, fool, you're crampin' my style!

'''COACH Z:''' I'll sprinkle wack MCs with my sawdust pile!

'''PEACEY P:''' Listen up straight, y'all biscuitheads, 
I'd like a piece o' dry toast wit' two scrambled eggs! 
Order o' hash browns, make 'em extra crisps, 
A glass o' orange juice an' a bowl o' cheese grits!

'''COACH Z:''' ''{speaking}'' Oh, dag! That man has just ordered breakfast in the middle of my rap song!

'''COACH Z AND PEACEY P:''' R-A-P-S-O-N-G, yes, 
Yes, y'all, and we don't flake, 

'''COACH Z:''' Here comes Tenerence Love with an R&B break!

'''TENERENCE LOVE:''' My name is Tenerence Love, 
Plus my name is Tenerence Love, 
Divided by my name is Tenerence Love, 
Equals my name is Tenaaay-erence Love! 
Remainder three!

'''COACH Z AND PEACEY P:''' R-A-P-S-O-N-G, yes, 
Yes, y'all, and we don't stap, 
Coach Z and Peacey P cold rappity-rap!

'''TENERENCE LOVE:''' ''{singing backup}'' Tenerance Love is on a rap song... 
...And I'll soon have a rap song...

'''COACH Z AND PEACEY P:''' ''{simultaneously, singing like they're dizzy}'' R-A-P-S-O-N-G, yes, 
Yes, y'all, and we don't stap, 
Coach Z, Peacey P.

''{The music and cartoon stop. Zoom out to a view of Coach Z and The Cheat in front of The Cheat's computer.}''

'''COACH Z:''' The Chort, that was amazing! It's gonna rocket straight to the bottom of the BET charts!

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{The Cheat noises}''

'''COACH Z:''' Oh, your payment. How's about a nice slice of chin strap pizza? ''{holds up a pizza slice that has a chin strap on it}''

''{The Cheat sinks out of view turning a little green, making sick-sounding The Cheat noises.}''

''{Cut to the boombox again. The level readout display is shaped into the word "END"}''

==Fun Facts==
===Explanations===
*"Mick's Tape" is an intentional misspelling of "[[Wikipedia:Mixtape#Mixtapes in hip hop|mixtape]]", an informally released hiphop album consisting of one or more MCs' work, usually for promotional purposes.
*"Itchy toes" refers to [[Wikipedia:Athlete's Foot|Athlete's foot]], a fungal disease Coach Z implied he had in [[labor day]].
*[[Wikipedia:Contemporary R&B|R&B]] breaks, which involve soulfully sung lyrics rather than rap, are featured in many modern hip hop songs.
*Topical means applied externally on the body. Most ointment has a label reading "for external use only".


===Trivia===
*This is the first complete Powered By The Cheat toon since [[New Boots]] in 2004.
*The [[Irregular Loading Screens|loading screen]] reads "Loadry".
*[[The Brothers Chaps]] mentioned making a rap duet with Coach Z and Peacey P in an [[Late Nite JengaJam Interview - 4 Oct 2007|interview on the Late Nite JengaJam]].


===Remarks===
*Lyricbolical and Loadry are [[portmanteaus]].
*Coach Z's mop bucket has JAN8OR written on it, another example of [[Internet Slang]].
*The symbol on Peacey P's jersey resembles the symbol for [[Wikipedia:Mercedes-Benz|Mercedes-Benz]], which is similar to the symbol for peace.
*This is the website's first full-length Powered by The Cheat toon not to include any [[Powered by The Cheat Cameo Appearances]].


===Goofs===
*In the intro credits, "featuring" is misspelled once as "feauring".



===Inside References===
*Tenerence Love was first mentioned in a [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 13]] Easter egg as one of the guest stars on Peacey P's album ''Deliberance''.
**"Coach Z and Peacey P featuring Peacey P/featuring Tenerence Love/feauring Peacey P" is also a reference to Teen Girl Squad Issue 13, in which Peacey P is featured as a "guest star on [his] own album".
*Coach Z paying The Cheat in chin strap [[pizza]] echoes [[Strong Bad]] offering to buy The Cheat a pizza after completing [[Everybody to the Limit]].
*"Wash" was previously spelled as "warsh" in [[original]], and as "worsh" in [[20X6 vs. 1936]].
*Coach Z's mention of a sawdust pile refers to [[Sbemail 169 Deleted Scene]].
*MiCK'S TAPE is another instance of [[lowercase i's]].
*Coach Z claims he likes his "[[Ointment|ointments]] topical, mostly".
*When The Cheat's computer is shown, one of the menu bar items is [[Style]].
*[[Eggs]] and [[bacon]] are featured.
*The [[page title]] of this toon, and the name of the restaurant "Waffle-O-Stow" refer to Peacey P's record company, [[Crample-O Stow Records]], who released this song.
*The tattoo needle draws [[blood]].

===Real-World References===
*The blue backdrop in the "Itchy Tōz" scene is based on the backdrop used in the notorious commercials for [[Wikipedia:HeadOn|HeadOn]], a topical headache relief product.
*[[Wikipedia:Black Entertainment Television|BET]] is a cable station aimed at the African-American demographic, which frequently shows rap videos.
*On the notepad where Peacey P's order is written, "crisp" is spelled as "crips"; the [[Wikipedia:Crips|Crips]] are a large gang founded in [[Wikipedia:Los Angeles, California|Los Angeles]]. Several rap and hip-hop artists are [[Wikipedia:Crips#Entertainers with Crip affiliations|affiliated]] with the Crips.
*The anthropomorphic fried egg which chases the bacon, and also appears (holding a pistol) in silhouette at the end of the video, is wearing a bandit mask, and closely resembles one of the enemy characters from the early 80s arcade game "Burgertime."
*''The Lyricbolical Coach Z'' is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Biz Markie|Biz Markie]], whose best selling album ''The Biz Never Sleeps'', is sometimes mistakenly called "The Diabolical Biz Markie" due to the album art.
*The restaurant on the back of the limo after Peacey P is done ordering breakfast (Waffle-O-Stow) is modeled after [[Wikipedia:Waffle House|Waffle House]], a diner popular in the southern United States.

==See Also==
*The [[Rap Song Visuals|visuals]] that occur during the music video.

==External Links==
*[[HR:rapsong.html|Watch "Rap Song"]]
*[[HR:rapsong.swf|View the Flash file for "Rap Song"]]
*[[Mirror:rapsong.mp3|Download the Rap Song]]
*[[Forum:12862|Forum thread re: "Rap Song"]]
{{subtitlesLinks|rapsong}}
[[Category:Powered by The Cheat]]
[[Category:Shorts]]
[[Category:Songs]]

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Dead Rising. Defeat 1,000 Zombies. 20 Gamerpoints. Oh yeah. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 23:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

:Good Job, Dagron!You hit it right on the money! You may collect your special userbox (the black one) now. --[[User:Homestarmy Commando1|{{User:Homestarmy Commando1/sig}}]] 23:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
::Awesome. I'll be sure to put it on my user page when I make it. (I was pleased to see another gamer on here!) -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 23:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

== PNGs ==

Making a PNG is easy enough, if you have MS Paint. When saving the image, click "Save As..." and find PNG in the drop-down "Save As Type" list. Simple as that! --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:49, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:Wow, I didn't know that. Now I can upload pictures like a true Wiki Addict!--{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 21:51, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
::Or you could get [http://www.irfanview.com/main_download_engl.htm Irfanview]. It's way easier then MS Paint! {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 22:01, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Wait, he has W98 I believe, and Paint for 98 does not support png IIRC. I use Microsoft Photo Editor to convert to png myself on a W98 puter. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:16, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Irfanview is the program my school uses. It has some Photoshop elements in it, it is easy to crop, and it is entirely free. I recommend Irfanview, dude. I did for Sam and he loves it. Hope this helps (any), {{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 22:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

== Uploaded Images ==

You have a talent for uploading images. Do you use MS Paint or Irfanview? Keep on workin' hard, {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

== MVU ==

Congratulations! You won the MVU (The Most Valuable User). You are the '''4th''' winner to win it! You won because of images! Keep it up! {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

== Using Show Preview ==
Hello Homestarmy Commando1, I see that you have made several consecutive edits to the same page. I want to point out the Show Preview button. It's right next to the Save Page button when you edit. You should use it whenever you are making a lot of experimental edits, for example when you are trying to get formatting right. Using the Show Preview button is quicker and easier than saving and clicking "edit" again, and will keep [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]] and page histories from being flooded. Thanks, [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 01:42, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

== Names of pictures ==

Now that you're 13, you can put real pictures of yourself. (You already did.) You may want to rename them like <nowiki>[[Image:Commando1 in a car.PNG]]</nowiki> or something like that. Keep on workin' hard, {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

==Too Many Images==
Hello, Homestarmy Commando1, I see that you are getting to know the wiki. One problem I have seen is that you are uploading too many images. You are entitled to only two personal images and one sig image. All of the other images that you upload must be relevant to the wiki, and be used in some way. (Some of your images are not used for anything right now.) Once you have decided your personal and sig images, you should tag them appropriately. for more information, go to [[HRWiki:Personal_images]] and [[HRWiki:Image_use_policy]].

I'm sorry if I sound rude, I don't mean it. (I like how eager you are to contribute to the wiki, you just need to read a little bit more about [[HRWiki:Standards|standards]].) Bye! {{User:Saddy_Dumpington/sig}} 20:57, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

:Yup, no big deal, but you've got five personal images:
:*[[:Image:IMG_2434.jpg]]
:*[[:Image:IMG 2617.jpg]]
:*[[:Image:Commando1 with HSR's beanie.jpg]]
:*[[:Image:Sucky_treats.png]]
:*[[:Image:Homestar psp.png]]
:According to [[HRWiki:Personal images]], we're allowed two personal images (plus a small one if you want to have one in your signature). So, just let me know which three of the five above you want to abandon, and I'll take care of it.

:On a side note, I noticed on your user page that you're from Livonia — I'm originally from Livonia's next-door neighbor, Redford! (I live in Chicago now, though) Anyway, thanks, and talk atcha later! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:02, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

::What about [[:Image:State_Flag.png]] and [[:Image:Homestar_psp.png]]? I could upload a larger version of Michigan's State flag [http://www.world-flags-symbols.com/usastates/_img_states1/michiganflag.png], and incorporate both into userboxes at [[HRWiki:Userbox]]. {{unsigned|Saddy Dumpington|21:58, 22 April 2007 (UTC)}}

Hey there, Homestarmy Commando1, and thanks. I went ahead and deleted [[:Image:IMG_2434.jpg]], [[:Image:IMG 2617.jpg]], and [[:Image:Sucky_treats.png]]. Also, it looks like Saddy Dumpington added [[:Image:State_Flag.png]] and [[:Image:Homestar_psp.png]] to [[HRWiki:Userbox]], so those no longer count as your personal images.

So, right now you have only one personal image uploded, [[:Image:Commando1 with HSR's beanie.jpg]]. You are free to upload another one at any time, as well as a small one for your signature, should you ever desire to do so. Thanks again! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:39, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

== Email from [[The Brothers Chaps]] ==

Hey, way to go on {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Homestarmy_Commando1&diff=449992&oldid=447780 getting an email from The Brothers Chaps}} — that's awesome! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:55, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

== Member ==

Alright you're a member! Please copy the userbox. You're considered a Strong Bad fan for the rest of your wiki years. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

== [[Little questions]] ==

Hey there, Homestarmy Commando. I see you have some questions that you want to be answered.

#That "little vertical line" should be right below the "Backspace" key on your keyboard. Just hold "shift" and press that button and you get fancy little |'s!
#What exactly do you mean by deleting your uploaded images? Do you mean your personal images, like the one with you in the car at the top of your page? If you want personal images to be deleted, you can just put <nowiki>{{delete|User request}}</nowiki> or something similar on the image. A sysop should deal with it. If an image is important to the wiki project, however, why would we want to delete it?
#By archiving pictures, I assume you mean keeping a record of the pictures you've uploaded. To do this, you could simply find the images you've uploaded and put them on your userpage in a gallery. See [[Help:Gallery]] for information on how do do this. Or, if the images are clogging up your page, you could create a subpage along the lines of [[User:Homestarmy Commando1/uploaded images]] and keep a record of your images there.
#Sorry, I don't have the DVD, so you'll have to ask someone that does. However, you could try reading the DVD commentary transcripts to find out who said what.

Please tell me if I misinterpreted one of your questions or if you need more help. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 15:09, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

== Sig ==
Hey, Homestarmy. I'm afriad to say that your sig is too big. It has to fit in this box:

{{sigbox|User:Homestarmy Commando1/sig}}

As you can see, it's a little past the borders. Suggestion: remove the picture, but you can do whatever you want. Thanks. -{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}
:Uhh, Zerlock1124, no it's not. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 00:08, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

:it hangs outside the box...maybe i'm just crazy? Or maybe your server doesn't pick up the picture. I dont know. All I know is that i see the sig hanging outside the box-{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}

== Signature Help ==

Sorry for the late reply. I tryed to figure it out for an hour but just couldn't do it. Tjis is all I could do:
[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/User_talk:Homestarmy_Commando1 hrwiki.org/images/0/0e/Hot_Wheels_logo.png/20px-Hot Wheels logo.png] [[User:Homestarmy Commando1|
Homestarmy Commando1]] Try asking [[User:Trey56|Trey56]] for the answer. He helped me with mine Great, now I'll never become a sysop at this rate. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 20:54, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
:I know how to get it working. You must put
<nowiki>[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/User_talk:Homestarmy_Commando1 http://www.hrwiki.org/images/0/0e/Hot_Wheels_logo.png]</nowiki>
in place of where you have the code for your image, and it'll look like
[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/User_talk:Homestarmy_Commando1 http://www.hrwiki.org/images/0/0e/Hot_Wheels_logo.png]. If you want it to link to anywhere besides your talk page, just edit where it says "User_talk:Homestarmy_Commando1". If you have anymore, you can ask me. Cheerio, {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 12:24, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi, saw your note regarding help. One thing you should know - the font you are using isn't a common one as far as I'm aware. That means your sig will be seen by most users in the default font for the site, and that's why it might not seem long to some but does to others. I don't have the font "stop" and so I see it in the normal font for the site, and yep, it's too long.

As far as shrinking the image and allowing it to be a link to your talk, that's a little complicated. The easiest thing and best way is to resize it in a graphics program. I assume this is your personal image you've uploaded. If that's not possible, then you could create an HTML link and include in the img element a style statement indicating the size you want. I don't have time to put together an example, but if I can't later plenty of people here know HTML and CSS. That might be a good way to test what size is best, then after you know, resize the pic and re-upload.

However, I'm thinking that image is SO small shrinking it further might not look good at all. You have a long name and a long image, and that's going to be tough. If by late tonight no one else has supplied you with sample code for the HTML link I'll try to then. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:22, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:Hi. Bad news. According to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:HTML_in_wikitext this Wikipedia help page], the elements <a> and <img> are not allowed. I didn't even have to nowiki them, they just plain do nothing. So that option is out. The only option that'll work is reducing the size of the image. I recommend a width approximately half what it is now. Sorry if I got your hopes up, I was sure I could find a trick but that's simply not possible. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey there, Homestarmy Commano1. It is indeed possible to make a smaller version of your sig image and still have it link to your talk page. For example, suppose you want the image to be 20 pixels in width but have it link your talk page. Follow these steps:
#Call the image in the most basic way with the desired width: <code><nowiki>[[Image:Hot Wheels logo.png|20px]]</nowiki></code>, which produces [[Image:Hot Wheels logo.png|20px]]
#Right-click on the above image and select "open image in a new window" or whatever it's called on your computer.
#Copy down the image URL from the address bar: <code><nowiki>http://hrwiki.org/images/thumb/0/0e/Hot_Wheels_logo.png/20px-Hot_Wheels_logo.png</nowiki></code>
#Combine this with the link to your talk page with the plainlinks class: <code><nowiki>[http://hrwiki.org/index.php/User_talk:Homestarmy_Commando1 http://hrwiki.org/images/thumb/0/0e/Hot_Wheels_logo.png/20px-Hot_Wheels_logo.png]</nowiki></code>, which will produce [http://hrwiki.org/index.php/User_talk:Homestarmy_Commando1 http://hrwiki.org/images/thumb/0/0e/Hot_Wheels_logo.png/20px-Hot_Wheels_logo.png]
That's it! Let me know if you have any questions. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:42, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== Sorry... ==

Sorry I didn't respond to your sig question, but I was at running practice. I see someone else answered your question. If you ''do'' have any more questions, you can still ask me. I ''usually'' will answer any questions someone asks me if I'm not away for the week. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 00:42, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== Userbox ==
Hey, how did you get the text on your profile to wrap around your userbox? I tried to get it to do that but the text always ended up below the userbox. -{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}

Hey thanks. And by the way, no one has ever asked me to make a userbox for them, so, I might shut down the business that I never had going. -{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}

== Commentary transcripts ==

Hey there — Saw you {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Halloween_Fairstival&diff=prev&oldid=510077 working}} on the DVD commentary transcript for [[Halloween Fairstival]] — nice job! I'd totally forgotten about all the [[HRWiki:DVD commentary transcripts|unfinished trascripts]], so I just wanted to let you know that your work on one today was appreciated! Laters, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:56, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

:Aw, peas. I finally had a chance to proofread your transcripts, so I popped in my [[strongbad_email.exe Disc Five]], went to go look at the [[HRWiki:DVD commentary transcripts|commentaries you transcribed]], and realized that they're all on [[Everything Else, Volume 2]]. Which I don't have. So, I'm afraid I can't proofread them for you — sorry :( {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

== Go Coach Z! ==

Oh, hi! My name is H4H(hooray4homestar). I just wanted to say that Coach Z is my favorite character, too! Also, I'm happy for you about that email from the Brothers Chaps. I've been trying to get them to answer an email from me forever! Unfortunately, they haven't answered. But, way to go on your email! Anyway, if you want to, check out my user page, and I really liked yours. [[User:Hooray4homestar|Hooray4homestar]] 00:44, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Homestarmy Commando1

DAGRON — Thu, 22 May 2008 23:16:27 GMT

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==Xbox 360 Achievement Challenge==
Post your answers to the Achivement Challenge here!

Dead Rising. Defeat 1,000 Zombies. 20 Gamerpoints. Oh yeah. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 23:16, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

== PNGs ==

Making a PNG is easy enough, if you have MS Paint. When saving the image, click "Save As..." and find PNG in the drop-down "Save As Type" list. Simple as that! --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:49, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
:Wow, I didn't know that. Now I can upload pictures like a true Wiki Addict!--{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 21:51, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
::Or you could get [http://www.irfanview.com/main_download_engl.htm Irfanview]. It's way easier then MS Paint! {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 22:01, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Wait, he has W98 I believe, and Paint for 98 does not support png IIRC. I use Microsoft Photo Editor to convert to png myself on a W98 puter. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:16, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Irfanview is the program my school uses. It has some Photoshop elements in it, it is easy to crop, and it is entirely free. I recommend Irfanview, dude. I did for Sam and he loves it. Hope this helps (any), {{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 22:21, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

== Uploaded Images ==

You have a talent for uploading images. Do you use MS Paint or Irfanview? Keep on workin' hard, {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

== MVU ==

Congratulations! You won the MVU (The Most Valuable User). You are the '''4th''' winner to win it! You won because of images! Keep it up! {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

== Using Show Preview ==
Hello Homestarmy Commando1, I see that you have made several consecutive edits to the same page. I want to point out the Show Preview button. It's right next to the Save Page button when you edit. You should use it whenever you are making a lot of experimental edits, for example when you are trying to get formatting right. Using the Show Preview button is quicker and easier than saving and clicking "edit" again, and will keep [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]] and page histories from being flooded. Thanks, [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 01:42, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

== Names of pictures ==

Now that you're 13, you can put real pictures of yourself. (You already did.) You may want to rename them like <nowiki>[[Image:Commando1 in a car.PNG]]</nowiki> or something like that. Keep on workin' hard, {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

==Too Many Images==
Hello, Homestarmy Commando1, I see that you are getting to know the wiki. One problem I have seen is that you are uploading too many images. You are entitled to only two personal images and one sig image. All of the other images that you upload must be relevant to the wiki, and be used in some way. (Some of your images are not used for anything right now.) Once you have decided your personal and sig images, you should tag them appropriately. for more information, go to [[HRWiki:Personal_images]] and [[HRWiki:Image_use_policy]].

I'm sorry if I sound rude, I don't mean it. (I like how eager you are to contribute to the wiki, you just need to read a little bit more about [[HRWiki:Standards|standards]].) Bye! {{User:Saddy_Dumpington/sig}} 20:57, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

:Yup, no big deal, but you've got five personal images:
:*[[:Image:IMG_2434.jpg]]
:*[[:Image:IMG 2617.jpg]]
:*[[:Image:Commando1 with HSR's beanie.jpg]]
:*[[:Image:Sucky_treats.png]]
:*[[:Image:Homestar psp.png]]
:According to [[HRWiki:Personal images]], we're allowed two personal images (plus a small one if you want to have one in your signature). So, just let me know which three of the five above you want to abandon, and I'll take care of it.

:On a side note, I noticed on your user page that you're from Livonia — I'm originally from Livonia's next-door neighbor, Redford! (I live in Chicago now, though) Anyway, thanks, and talk atcha later! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:02, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

::What about [[:Image:State_Flag.png]] and [[:Image:Homestar_psp.png]]? I could upload a larger version of Michigan's State flag [http://www.world-flags-symbols.com/usastates/_img_states1/michiganflag.png], and incorporate both into userboxes at [[HRWiki:Userbox]]. {{unsigned|Saddy Dumpington|21:58, 22 April 2007 (UTC)}}

Hey there, Homestarmy Commando1, and thanks. I went ahead and deleted [[:Image:IMG_2434.jpg]], [[:Image:IMG 2617.jpg]], and [[:Image:Sucky_treats.png]]. Also, it looks like Saddy Dumpington added [[:Image:State_Flag.png]] and [[:Image:Homestar_psp.png]] to [[HRWiki:Userbox]], so those no longer count as your personal images.

So, right now you have only one personal image uploded, [[:Image:Commando1 with HSR's beanie.jpg]]. You are free to upload another one at any time, as well as a small one for your signature, should you ever desire to do so. Thanks again! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:39, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

== Email from [[The Brothers Chaps]] ==

Hey, way to go on {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Homestarmy_Commando1&diff=449992&oldid=447780 getting an email from The Brothers Chaps}} — that's awesome! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:55, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

== Member ==

Alright you're a member! Please copy the userbox. You're considered a Strong Bad fan for the rest of your wiki years. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

== [[Little questions]] ==

Hey there, Homestarmy Commando. I see you have some questions that you want to be answered.

#That "little vertical line" should be right below the "Backspace" key on your keyboard. Just hold "shift" and press that button and you get fancy little |'s!
#What exactly do you mean by deleting your uploaded images? Do you mean your personal images, like the one with you in the car at the top of your page? If you want personal images to be deleted, you can just put <nowiki>{{delete|User request}}</nowiki> or something similar on the image. A sysop should deal with it. If an image is important to the wiki project, however, why would we want to delete it?
#By archiving pictures, I assume you mean keeping a record of the pictures you've uploaded. To do this, you could simply find the images you've uploaded and put them on your userpage in a gallery. See [[Help:Gallery]] for information on how do do this. Or, if the images are clogging up your page, you could create a subpage along the lines of [[User:Homestarmy Commando1/uploaded images]] and keep a record of your images there.
#Sorry, I don't have the DVD, so you'll have to ask someone that does. However, you could try reading the DVD commentary transcripts to find out who said what.

Please tell me if I misinterpreted one of your questions or if you need more help. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 15:09, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

== Sig ==
Hey, Homestarmy. I'm afriad to say that your sig is too big. It has to fit in this box:

{{sigbox|User:Homestarmy Commando1/sig}}

As you can see, it's a little past the borders. Suggestion: remove the picture, but you can do whatever you want. Thanks. -{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}
:Uhh, Zerlock1124, no it's not. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 00:08, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

:it hangs outside the box...maybe i'm just crazy? Or maybe your server doesn't pick up the picture. I dont know. All I know is that i see the sig hanging outside the box-{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}

== Signature Help ==

Sorry for the late reply. I tryed to figure it out for an hour but just couldn't do it. Tjis is all I could do:
[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/User_talk:Homestarmy_Commando1 hrwiki.org/images/0/0e/Hot_Wheels_logo.png/20px-Hot Wheels logo.png] [[User:Homestarmy Commando1|
Homestarmy Commando1]] Try asking [[User:Trey56|Trey56]] for the answer. He helped me with mine Great, now I'll never become a sysop at this rate. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 20:54, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
:I know how to get it working. You must put
<nowiki>[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/User_talk:Homestarmy_Commando1 http://www.hrwiki.org/images/0/0e/Hot_Wheels_logo.png]</nowiki>
in place of where you have the code for your image, and it'll look like
[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/User_talk:Homestarmy_Commando1 http://www.hrwiki.org/images/0/0e/Hot_Wheels_logo.png]. If you want it to link to anywhere besides your talk page, just edit where it says "User_talk:Homestarmy_Commando1". If you have anymore, you can ask me. Cheerio, {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 12:24, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Hi, saw your note regarding help. One thing you should know - the font you are using isn't a common one as far as I'm aware. That means your sig will be seen by most users in the default font for the site, and that's why it might not seem long to some but does to others. I don't have the font "stop" and so I see it in the normal font for the site, and yep, it's too long.

As far as shrinking the image and allowing it to be a link to your talk, that's a little complicated. The easiest thing and best way is to resize it in a graphics program. I assume this is your personal image you've uploaded. If that's not possible, then you could create an HTML link and include in the img element a style statement indicating the size you want. I don't have time to put together an example, but if I can't later plenty of people here know HTML and CSS. That might be a good way to test what size is best, then after you know, resize the pic and re-upload.

However, I'm thinking that image is SO small shrinking it further might not look good at all. You have a long name and a long image, and that's going to be tough. If by late tonight no one else has supplied you with sample code for the HTML link I'll try to then. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:22, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:Hi. Bad news. According to [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:HTML_in_wikitext this Wikipedia help page], the elements <a> and <img> are not allowed. I didn't even have to nowiki them, they just plain do nothing. So that option is out. The only option that'll work is reducing the size of the image. I recommend a width approximately half what it is now. Sorry if I got your hopes up, I was sure I could find a trick but that's simply not possible. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Hey there, Homestarmy Commano1. It is indeed possible to make a smaller version of your sig image and still have it link to your talk page. For example, suppose you want the image to be 20 pixels in width but have it link your talk page. Follow these steps:
#Call the image in the most basic way with the desired width: <code><nowiki>[[Image:Hot Wheels logo.png|20px]]</nowiki></code>, which produces [[Image:Hot Wheels logo.png|20px]]
#Right-click on the above image and select "open image in a new window" or whatever it's called on your computer.
#Copy down the image URL from the address bar: <code><nowiki>http://hrwiki.org/images/thumb/0/0e/Hot_Wheels_logo.png/20px-Hot_Wheels_logo.png</nowiki></code>
#Combine this with the link to your talk page with the plainlinks class: <code><nowiki>[http://hrwiki.org/index.php/User_talk:Homestarmy_Commando1 http://hrwiki.org/images/thumb/0/0e/Hot_Wheels_logo.png/20px-Hot_Wheels_logo.png]</nowiki></code>, which will produce [http://hrwiki.org/index.php/User_talk:Homestarmy_Commando1 http://hrwiki.org/images/thumb/0/0e/Hot_Wheels_logo.png/20px-Hot_Wheels_logo.png]
That's it! Let me know if you have any questions. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:42, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== Sorry... ==

Sorry I didn't respond to your sig question, but I was at running practice. I see someone else answered your question. If you ''do'' have any more questions, you can still ask me. I ''usually'' will answer any questions someone asks me if I'm not away for the week. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 00:42, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== Userbox ==
Hey, how did you get the text on your profile to wrap around your userbox? I tried to get it to do that but the text always ended up below the userbox. -{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}

Hey thanks. And by the way, no one has ever asked me to make a userbox for them, so, I might shut down the business that I never had going. -{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}

== Commentary transcripts ==

Hey there — Saw you {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Halloween_Fairstival&diff=prev&oldid=510077 working}} on the DVD commentary transcript for [[Halloween Fairstival]] — nice job! I'd totally forgotten about all the [[HRWiki:DVD commentary transcripts|unfinished trascripts]], so I just wanted to let you know that your work on one today was appreciated! Laters, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:56, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

:Aw, peas. I finally had a chance to proofread your transcripts, so I popped in my [[strongbad_email.exe Disc Five]], went to go look at the [[HRWiki:DVD commentary transcripts|commentaries you transcribed]], and realized that they're all on [[Everything Else, Volume 2]]. Which I don't have. So, I'm afraid I can't proofread them for you — sorry :( {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:09, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

== Go Coach Z! ==

Oh, hi! My name is H4H(hooray4homestar). I just wanted to say that Coach Z is my favorite character, too! Also, I'm happy for you about that email from the Brothers Chaps. I've been trying to get them to answer an email from me forever! Unfortunately, they haven't answered. But, way to go on your email! Anyway, if you want to, check out my user page, and I really liked yours. [[User:Hooray4homestar|Hooray4homestar]] 00:44, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Defender1031

DAGRON — Thu, 22 May 2008 01:44:44 GMT

DAGRON: /* Response */

{{User talk:DeFender1031/Archivenav}}
== Weekly Quote Contest ==
If you have an answer to my [[User:DeFender1031#Quote of the week contest|contest]], post it here. Thanks. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 03:42, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

=== 08/05/07 ===
:This is just a guess, but is it ''[[Wikipedia:Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl|Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl]]''? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:48, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
::It is indeed! {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 04:50, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Yay! Ooh, and now that I'm allowed to Google it, I see it appears on [[Wikipedia:Dante and his Divine Comedy in popular culture]]... {{User:Trey56/sig}}

=== 08/06/07 ===
THE UNDERMINER!!! From the Disney/Pixar movie The Incredibles. And if you must know, it's in the last scene besides the credits. But I guess at that point I'm just showing off. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:13, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
:Correct. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 04:14, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

=== 08/07/07 ===
Was that from I Robot? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 04:25, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
:I need more. Who said it? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 04:25, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
::Susan said it. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 04:27, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Correct. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 04:28, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

=== 08/08/07 ===
Hey I'm complaining. I got the pirates line the moment you said it to me online, and you know it. You asked the question in response to something I wrote. I also got all your other quotes instantly. Your latest one for example is from that Buzz movie, where Buzz's partner tells him it, the blank part is Zurg. I expect you to correct your list of winner, or at least give me a lifetime achievement award on the subject. -Insane Coder [[User:89.139.31.118|89.139.31.118]] 05:14, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

=== 08/19/07 ===
This quote is from the movie, Clue. {{User:TheCoolRobot/sig}}
:Need more, who said it? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:17, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
::Wadsworth is talking to Professor Plum, right? {{User:TheCoolRobot/sig}} 22:59, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Very good. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 11:21, 24 September 2007 (UTC)

=== 08/30/07 ===
Zapod Beeblebrox? From THHGTTG?
:I don't even know who or what that is. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 14:00, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
::You've never read the hitch hikers guide to the galaxy?!?--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 14:02, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Nope. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 14:08, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
::::I know! It's Bruce, from Bruce Almighty! {{User:TheCoolRobot/sig}} 19:50, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::Correct! {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:41, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

=== 09/12/07 ===
The quote of the week is Jeff Sinclair, from Babylon 5, right? {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:15, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
:Doctor Franklin and Jeff Sinclair to be exact. Yes. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 10:58, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
::Sweet... Ive never actually watched Babylon 5, but my friend is obsessed with it and constantly quotes characters. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 19:43, 23 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm obsessed with it too, though i'm only 3/4 through season 3... SOOOO good! You should watch it. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:53, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

=== 09/24/07 ===
"Major" Rebecca Childs from The Core. {{User:TheCoolRobot/sig}} 20:46, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
:Come on... only the general and her father ever call her Rebecca... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:18, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

==Apology==
Well, I don't appreciate any of this, either, even though I'm most likely the one that started it. Like I said, I have autism and I'm not lying (however you spell that word). Not being able to control my anger is a "side effect." Now, I know you're going to say that what I just said has nothing to do with this, but it does. I know people don't believe me and I'm sorry if I offended you, but I see no rules about anything anywhere, because of the obviously stupid person that I am. I know I'm going to be labeled as an idiot now, so I'm afraid to make an account and put the name "Taiya" up anywhere. I listened again to caffeine and I still don't hear anything. The quote of the week was from a later part in the email, and I probably won't believe the "real thing" any time soon. Oh, well. I don't care if anyone hates me. I just wanted to help the Homestar universe because I suck at doing anything else.

./T\.

==Deleting Talk Pages==
"i'm pretty sure that it's not good form to just delete a talk page like that without at least creating an archive... (someone correct me if i'm wrong)"
:Please read [[HRWiki:User space|user space]]. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 13:51, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, Phlip set me straight. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 13:53, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

== Revert warring ==

DeFender, you say [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=business_trip&curid=38242&diff=507102&oldid=507100&rcid=463357 "stop revert warring"], yet you also were revert warring. Does that seem right to you? If you felt talk page discussion was so important, why didn't you initiate it? To borrow Smokey the Bear's phrase, "Only YOU can prevent edit wars." {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 18:15, 16 October 2007 (UTC)
:I was reverting because the fact was originally written like that, and i was saying to discuss it before just removing it. Now that I think about it, you're right, I should probably have just let it go, discussed it, and let it be resolved, after all, does it really matter if it's on the page during the discussion, as long as it ends up the way the community decides it should? I apologize, and will try to be less agressive in the future. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:33, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

== hey, hey, hey ==
i haven't checked out my userpage for like a month, so i was just poking around and saw your "i'm so stealing you shomer shabbat box" comment so naturally, i click your username instead of finishing my essay. so what do i find on your page? sweet, sweet fame. recognition on the same list as some of the wikiest big shots on the wiki.... i'll try to keep the kavod from getting to my head. much love,
{{User:TheDude/sig}} 03:49, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
:Haha... cool. (Though my cool user list isn't really so much kavod... it's more just gashmius... But it's fun so it's all good.) {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 06:46, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

== Undoing legitimate edits ==
If you're going to undo an edit that looks suspicious but that might turn out to be correct (like {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=homestarrunner.com&diff=508164&oldid=508163 this}}), please leave a note on the original editor's talk page or on a high-visibility talk page informing someone of what action you took, in case it turns out the edit was indeed legitimate and should not have been reverted (as was the case here). Something like, "Hey, I noticed you made X important change to such-and-such page. What was your basis for this edit?" Thanks, and keep on tranglin'. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:26, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

== To Answer Your Question ==

Regarding my removal of all evil acts from [[Strong Bad Smiling]], there was a discussion a few months ago over whether that gag was notable since his usual personality is not the direct opposite of happy (like Strong Sad). It was suggested on the talk page that the notablility would be improved by removing times he smiled ''because'' he did something bad. The question I was referring to in my headline was that "why?" in your edit summary. I apologize if I am too vague. You can say your opinion on the SB Smiling talk page. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 19:51, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
:[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Strong_Bad_Smiling&diff=509956&oldid=509951&rcid=466318 actions speak louder than words.] {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:17, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

== Beetlejuice/Betelgeuse ==
I was going to change this, but I see you reverted this change once, so I figured I'd bring it up with you first. According to the wikipedia article, the character is actually spelled like the star (ie "Betelgeuse") despite the fact the title is spelled differently. But I can see this could be confusing - most people more easily recognize the title spelling, so... should it just be left, though it's technically incorrect? Would you mind if it was changed back?[[User:Farmboyjad|Farmboyjad]] 04:32, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
:Leave it, I actually think wikipedia is wrong, why would the title character of a movie's name be spelled differently than the name of the movie itself? And i just read the wikipedia article, it makes no mention of the spelling, just always calls him "beetlejuice". Finally, this is the sort of thing for the talk page of an article itself, not my personal talk page. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 12:18, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

== Birthday Collect! ==

Happy B-day DeFender! Hooray!!!!!! That's all I got. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 13:49, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

:Combolations, Elizagerth. I hope you get all my... particles. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:01, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

::Congraturations! And I hope for your sake that Trey's... particles got lost in the mail.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 18:04, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Happy B! — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 18:33, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Happy The Cheatday, Ilko! Err, DeFender. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 18:36, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Happy T!!! er i mean B!!!!--{{User:Geoblu2/sig}} 22:59, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
:I'm in israel, geoblu, so you're too late, it's past midnight... the rest of you who DID wish me a happy birthday in a timely fashion, i won't jibblify you. Everyone else, Come. On. IN HEEEEEEEEEEERE! {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:02, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

== IRC? ==

Do you? {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 13:12, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:That's very vague... I think you're asking if i'm on IRC... all the freaking time, why? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 13:13, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

== "Currently" Fun Facts ==

I thought I'd like to help you in your search by pointing out one in [[Everybody to the Limit#Remarks]]. I was unable to remove it myself. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 15:04, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

== Starman's sig ==

I wasn't tryin' to undermine you at all, btw. I just though you might have not noticed. [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 23:50, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
:Oh, i never thought you were. Sam reverted you, not me. You were right, i made a mistake. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

== [[User talk:99.163.48.80]] ==

He's only made [[Special:Contributions/99.163.48.80|one edit]], so why did you suggest to him creating an account? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 01:42, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:if you followed the conversation on [[Talk:Twisted Emails]] the guy has a rotating ip, it's the same anonny that was there all along, and now he's cableman jorge. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:44, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

== What to do/what not to do ==

ok, i'm pretty new to the whole wiki thing. Just so you don't have to keep messaging me, is there some page that'll show me what's ok and what's not to do? 
Thanks, Defender-man! 
[[User:AwkwardFire|AwkwardFire]] 07:03, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:Oh, you weren't doing anything wrong there. Copying other people's userboxes is fine. I was merely commenting ho i noticed you had read my page that's all. As for what to do and what not to do, check the links in the first post on your talk page, those are a great place to start. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 07:05, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the help!
[[User:AwkwardFire|AwkwardFire]] 07:11, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:Any time, i love helping new users. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 07:12, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

== Current Sandbox version ==
Kudos to you, Dan. I think you should add it to the list on your page. [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 07:55, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
:I'm waiting for the vote to be complete before i do so, i fully intend to. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 08:20, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

== [[User: Bad Bad Guy/Visibly Lacking Body Parts|Visibly Lacking Body Parts]] ==

I tried to follow your [[Talk:Lack of Visible Arms#Split?|suggestion]] about splitting [[Lack of Visible Arms]] (sorry if you wanted to split it yourself). Are you satisfied with the format and the title? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 23:52, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
:Looks good. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:52, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

==Upside down letters==
How do you type them?!?! {{User:Don't say jorb 101/sig}}
:˙ǝʇıs [http://www.revfad.com/flip.html sıɥʇ] ǝsn ʎllɐuosɹǝd I 'ǝuıɟ ʎɐʞO ˙˙˙uɐɯ ʇnoqɐ ƃuıʞlɐʇ ǝɹ,noʎ ʇɐɥʍ ʍouʞ ʇ,uop I — '''(ǝɯ)*''[[User:DeFender1031|lЄ0lɹǝpuǝɟǝp]]''''' 21:30, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

˙sʞuɐɥʇ [[Image:cantsayjob.png|20px|˙qoɾ ʎɐs ʇ,uɐɔ ǝɥ]] [[User_talk:Don't say jorb 101|101 qɹoɾ]] [[User:Don't say jorb 101|ʎɐs ʇ,uop]] [[Image:cantsayjob.png|20px|¡qoɾ ʎɐs ʇ,uɐɔ ǝɥ 'ʎlsnoıɹǝs]]

== Irridisregardless ==

Hey, I noticed you reverted [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Peasant%27s_Quest&diff=522554&oldid=522364 my edit about "irridisregardless"] in the article [[Peasant's Quest]]. I added it back in because I believe this really is the likely origin of this particular portmanteau. See [[Talk:Peasant's Quest#Irridisregardless]]. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] ([[User_talk:furrykef|Talk at me]]) 06:29, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

== HS & TC ==

Hey Defender1031. Would ya mind if Homestar and The Cheat get along?
[[Image:qod_2_-_strong_bad.PNG |20px]][[User:Katonator 3000|Katonator]] [[User Talk:Katonator 3000|3000]][[Image:bowler_derby.PNG|20px]] 03:31, 20 January 2008 (UTC)
:Umm... I'm not sure I know what you mean... But i think you're asking if you can make a relationship page about HS and TC, and that's got nothing to do with me, i don't do much by way of those pages, i'm just the guy who wrote the script to make that cool chart. Consider any of those pages to be like any other page on the wiki, all that chart means is that someone wnated an easy way to organize that info, and that that chart doesn't really belong in the main namespace, so i put it in my own. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 03:35, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

==The Font==
http://img26.picoodle.com/img/img26/4/1/20/t_Bauhaus93m_5e2430b.png

You're wrong, it's a comma. There's barely any difference, especially when it's small, but it's there. Zoom in. [[User:75.175.146.9|75.175.146.9]] 18:42, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

== WHY NOT? ==

Tell me why you wrote said summary in the Recent Changes page. --{{User:The 386/sig}} 00:28, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
:See[[HRWiki:Da Basement/Archive 8#Automatic links for new users]] and [[HRWiki talk:Welcoming committee#Canned welcomes? Buy 2 get 1 free?]] for why. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:31, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

I'm STILL confused why we ''don't'' use canned welcomes. --{{User:The 386/sig}} 00:49, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

== Careless reverting ==

DeFender1031: {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Idon%27twannabeinlove&diff=544389&oldid=544388 This}} {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Idon%27twannabeinlove&diff=544392&oldid=544389 is}} {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Idon%27twannabeinlove&diff=544393&oldid=544392 ridiculous}}. (I am also leaving the same message to SamFisher1022 and Sam the Man.) As established editors I believe you handled poorly the welcoming of this user. Instead of providing a more welcoming and inviting message, you have a quick edit war of sorts in someone else's user talk page. Imagine how a new user would feel seeing this kind of mysterious edit summary arguments going on. This sort of behavior could easily turn away prospective editors (good or not so much). I think in general we've established a bad habit of quick reverts with a simple edit summary and no explanation. Friendly but informative notices to less established users should be the norm, not the exception. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:08, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

== Oh, crap and such ==

I know in this particular case it's a little silly, but we should nonetheless endeavor to not call user contributions "[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Bapes&curid=41490&diff=549639&oldid=549638&rcid=506893 crap]" whenever possible. Even when a user happens to be a complete and utter moron, we should extend every courtesy possible to them and never let on that we agree they are unfit for duty, know what I mean? It's "taking the high road". {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:13, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

== Using Show Preview ==
Hello DeFender1031, I see that you have made several consecutive edits to the same page. I want to point out the Show Preview button. It's right next to the Save Page button when you edit. You should use it whenever you are making a lot of experimental edits, for example when you are trying to get formatting right. Using the Show Preview button is quicker and easier than saving and clicking "edit" again, and will keep [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]] and page histories from being flooded. Thanks, {{User:Loafing/sig}} 21:55, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
:(kidding! :-p ){{User:Loafing/sig}} 21:55, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
::Well, I wish i could say that this is the first time i've seen this notice... today... :P {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:09, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

== 'Scape... tab... squiggly... ==

Thanks muchly for the sig figs. Um...sig fix. It amazes me that one person can know multiple programming languages when I have so much dang trouble remembering all my ";"'s in C++, especially since it's the only language I know. Except a teeny bit o' html and mIRC, and wiki formatting of course...anyway. Thanks a ton, DeFender. Now...will it work? --{{User:Onamuji/sig}} 20:40, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
:woohoo! --still {{User:Onamuji/sig}} 20:40, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
::It's okay, i still forget the occasional ; here and there (usually at the end of class declarations). And please, my mentor knows even more than i do, and does them better. It takes work, yes, but it's not so hard to believe. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:17, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

== Sorry ==

I alway seam to notic stuff
after posting/send.

From
The B.P.R.S

== TGS14 Transcript ==
In the future, please replace an "under construction" template with a "section stub" template if you decide you do not want to finish the transcript (as seen in [[Teen_Girl_Squad_Issue_14]]). I have added the appropiate template after accidentally putting the wrong one in after your ommittance of a replacement one.
[[User:125.238.9.80|125.238.9.80]] 12:24, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:Actually, we tend not to put those templates on new toon pages, owing to the fact that they are going to be looked over and fixed, but i appreciate your zelousness in trying to make sure what you think is supposed to be done gets done. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 12:33, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::No problem :) [[User:125.238.9.80|125.238.9.80]] 08:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

== Response ==
I have a wiki name somewhere, I visit this page extremely often. But thank you for your kind words it is nice to know not everyone is as extreme. Isn't the HR Wiki notorious for it's difficulty though?

Thank you, once again!!

== Linking ==
You say we don't link our own references, so I just wanted to point out that that's not necessarily true. See [[CGNU Prinicpal's Office]] for one example I can think of offhand. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 01:44, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

SBCG4AP Dev Blog

DAGRON — Thu, 22 May 2008 00:12:00 GMT

DAGRON: /* Blog Entries */ Having realized I've used SB's words without even intending it, I may as well link it...

<div align="right">[http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/ read]</div>
[[Image:Dev Blog logo.png|thumb|300px|From the desk of Strong Bad.]]

[[Strong Bad]] regularly updates a '''Developer's Blog''' on the [[Telltale Games]] website to promote ''[[Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People]]''.

== Blog Entries ==

{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! Image !! Date !! Title !! Description !! Currently Playing:
|-id="Concept Art is a SCAM!"
| [[Image:Devblog05-21-08.PNG|100px]]|| 21 May 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-9 '''Concept Art is a SCAM!'''] || Strong Bad decries Telltale's decision to take game visuals in [[1 step ahead|another direction]]. || "''[[Wikipedia:Viking Child|The Viking Child]]'' for [[Wikipedia: Atari Lynx|LYNX]]. Best Handheld Ever Man."
|-id="The Endinning of The End"
| [[Image:Sbdev rhonda.jpg|100px]]|| 14 May 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-8 '''The Endinning of the End'''] || Strong Bad hates the French horn. || "''[[Wikipedia:Lost Eden|Lost Eden]]'' (the dinosaurs look REAL!)"
|-id="Logos Please"
| [[Image:Sbdev logos.jpg|100px]] || 7 May 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-7 '''Logos Please'''] || Strong Bad discusses how video game success is proportional to the number of logos before the title screen. || "''[[Wikipedia:Trojan (video game)|Trojan]]'' (they still have cartoon sticks of TNT in the post-apocalyptic future!)"
|-id="New Screenshots!"
|[[Image:DevBlog042408.png|100px]] || 24 Apr 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-6 '''New Screenshots!'''] || Strong Bad shows off some new screen shots of the upcoming game... that have been altered slightly. || [[Not X|Not]] [[MS Paint]]
|-id="Anadigilogital"
| [[Image:Sbdev mig29 front.jpg|100px]] || 17 Apr 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-5 '''Anadigilogital'''] || Strong Bad complains about the game's lack of box art and dipswitches. || "[[Wikipedia:Star Wars: Rebel Assault|''Rebel Assault 1'']] (from a time when nasty looking full motion video was the future of gaming!)"
|-id="Nobody Listens to Strong Bandrew"
| [[Image:Puzzmaster.jpg|100px]] || 10 Apr 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-4 '''Nobody Listens to Strong Bandrew'''] || Strong Bad decries the Telltale Team's rejection of his game ideas. || "[http://www.gamespot.com/nes/action/wagyanland/index.html ''Wagyan Land''] (the end boss is a word game!)"
|-
|}

== Fun Facts ==
===21 May 2008 ===
*Strong Bad's refers to bull[[style]].
*He also says that the "Smelly Guy" has "several months' worth of empty cans of [[Bull Honkey]].

===14 May 2008===
*The game Strong Bad is complaining about is ''[[Wikipedia:Pitfall II: Lost Caverns|Pitfall II: Lost Caverns]]''. Frogs and balloons were two of the new features in the game, as well as unlimited lives.
*Strong Bad should know that the "silver french horn" is a scorpion, as he positively identified it as such in the commentary of [[In Search of the Yello Dello]].

=== 24 Apr 2008 ===
*Strong Bad alters a screenshot from the game and claims that it's a dating sim featuring [[Wikipedia:Kate Pierson|Kate Pierson]] of [[Wikipedia:The B-52's|the B-52's]].
*One of Strong Bad's fake screencaps reveals that Homestar's innards are filled with "Strawberry Quik". "Quik" was the original name of [[Wikipedia:Nestlé|Nestlé]]'s flavored milk drink [[Wikipedia:Nesquik|Nesquik]].
*Strong Bad claims to launch a "heat-seeking [[Wikipedia:Three Stooges|3-Stooges]] eye-poker missile" in his game. The hallmark slapstick comedy of the Stooges often included eye-poking.

=== 17 Apr 2008 ===

*''[[Wikipedia:Mig 29 Soviet Fighter|Mig 29 Soviet Fighter]]'' is an unlicensed game for the [[Nintendo#NES|NES]]. The switch on the back of the game triggers a [http://kevtris.org/mappers/lockout/camerica.html voltage spike] intended to temporarily disable the NES's [[Wikipedia:10NES|lock-out chip]] so that the unlicensed game can be played on an official console.
*Strong Bad [[Strong Bad's Spelling|uses "it's" in place of "its"]] even though he considers people who do this to be [[local news|scalawags]].

=== 10 Apr 2008 ===

*The blocky 3D Strong Bad head in the [[Wikipedia:Sudoku|sudoku]] puzzmaster picture is most likely a reference to [[Wikipedia:Dr. Kawashima|Dr. Kawashima's]] representation in the [[Wikipedia:Brain Age|Brain Age]] series, which included sudoku in the North American version of its first installment. Dr. Kawashima's head also sometimes used an expression similar to Strong Bad's in the game.
**[[Wikipedia:NPR|NPR]]'s program [[Wikipedia:Weekend Edition|Weekend Edition Sunday]] includes a weekly segment with [[Wikipedia:Will Shortz|Will Shortz]], puzzle constructor (including [http://nymag.com/arts/all/features/17244/ Sudoku]), [[Wikipedia:The New York Times|New York Times]] puzzle editor, and referred to by NPR as the "[http://www.npr.org/templates/people/?typeId=1#S Puzzlemaster]".
*Strong Bad's idea of a "flame cubicle" in the Telltale offices gets "[[SBLOUNSKCHED!]]"
*The title makes a reference to the book [http://www.amazon.com/Nobody-Listens-Andrew-Elizabeth-Guilfoile/dp/0590093185 ''Nobody Listens to Andrew''].

== See Also ==
*[[Strong Sad's Lament]]

==External Links ==
*[http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/ Read Strong Bad's Dev Blog]

{{SBCG4AP}}

SBCG4AP Dev Blog

DAGRON — Thu, 22 May 2008 00:06:50 GMT

DAGRON: /* 21 May 2008 */ inside ref

<div align="right">[http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/ read]</div>
[[Image:Dev Blog logo.png|thumb|300px|From the desk of Strong Bad.]]

[[Strong Bad]] regularly updates a '''Developer's Blog''' on the [[Telltale Games]] website to promote ''[[Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People]]''.

== Blog Entries ==

{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! Image !! Date !! Title !! Description !! Currently Playing:
|-id="Concept Art is a SCAM!"
| [[Image:Devblog05-21-08.PNG|100px]]|| 21 May 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-9 '''Concept Art is a SCAM!'''] || Strong Bad decries Telltale's decision to take game visuals in another direction. || "''[[Wikipedia:Viking Child|The Viking Child]]'' for [[Wikipedia: Atari Lynx|LYNX]]. Best Handheld Ever Man."
|-id="The Endinning of The End"
| [[Image:Sbdev rhonda.jpg|100px]]|| 14 May 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-8 '''The Endinning of the End'''] || Strong Bad hates the French horn. || "''[[Wikipedia:Lost Eden|Lost Eden]]'' (the dinosaurs look REAL!)"
|-id="Logos Please"
| [[Image:Sbdev logos.jpg|100px]] || 7 May 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-7 '''Logos Please'''] || Strong Bad discusses how video game success is proportional to the number of logos before the title screen. || "''[[Wikipedia:Trojan (video game)|Trojan]]'' (they still have cartoon sticks of TNT in the post-apocalyptic future!)"
|-id="New Screenshots!"
|[[Image:DevBlog042408.png|100px]] || 24 Apr 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-6 '''New Screenshots!'''] || Strong Bad shows off some new screen shots of the upcoming game... that have been altered slightly. || [[Not X|Not]] [[MS Paint]]
|-id="Anadigilogital"
| [[Image:Sbdev mig29 front.jpg|100px]] || 17 Apr 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-5 '''Anadigilogital'''] || Strong Bad complains about the game's lack of box art and dipswitches. || "[[Wikipedia:Star Wars: Rebel Assault|''Rebel Assault 1'']] (from a time when nasty looking full motion video was the future of gaming!)"
|-id="Nobody Listens to Strong Bandrew"
| [[Image:Puzzmaster.jpg|100px]] || 10 Apr 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-4 '''Nobody Listens to Strong Bandrew'''] || Strong Bad decries the Telltale Team's rejection of his game ideas. || "[http://www.gamespot.com/nes/action/wagyanland/index.html ''Wagyan Land''] (the end boss is a word game!)"
|-
|}

== Fun Facts ==
===21 May 2008 ===
*Strong Bad's refers to bull[[style]].
*He also says that the "Smelly Guy" has "several months' worth of empty cans of [[Bull Honkey]].

===14 May 2008===
*The game Strong Bad is complaining about is ''[[Wikipedia:Pitfall II: Lost Caverns|Pitfall II: Lost Caverns]]''. Frogs and balloons were two of the new features in the game, as well as unlimited lives.
*Strong Bad should know that the "silver french horn" is a scorpion, as he positively identified it as such in the commentary of [[In Search of the Yello Dello]].

=== 24 Apr 2008 ===
*Strong Bad alters a screenshot from the game and claims that it's a dating sim featuring [[Wikipedia:Kate Pierson|Kate Pierson]] of [[Wikipedia:The B-52's|the B-52's]].
*One of Strong Bad's fake screencaps reveals that Homestar's innards are filled with "Strawberry Quik". "Quik" was the original name of [[Wikipedia:Nestlé|Nestlé]]'s flavored milk drink [[Wikipedia:Nesquik|Nesquik]].
*Strong Bad claims to launch a "heat-seeking [[Wikipedia:Three Stooges|3-Stooges]] eye-poker missile" in his game. The hallmark slapstick comedy of the Stooges often included eye-poking.

=== 17 Apr 2008 ===

*''[[Wikipedia:Mig 29 Soviet Fighter|Mig 29 Soviet Fighter]]'' is an unlicensed game for the [[Nintendo#NES|NES]]. The switch on the back of the game triggers a [http://kevtris.org/mappers/lockout/camerica.html voltage spike] intended to temporarily disable the NES's [[Wikipedia:10NES|lock-out chip]] so that the unlicensed game can be played on an official console.
*Strong Bad [[Strong Bad's Spelling|uses "it's" in place of "its"]] even though he considers people who do this to be [[local news|scalawags]].

=== 10 Apr 2008 ===

*The blocky 3D Strong Bad head in the [[Wikipedia:Sudoku|sudoku]] puzzmaster picture is most likely a reference to [[Wikipedia:Dr. Kawashima|Dr. Kawashima's]] representation in the [[Wikipedia:Brain Age|Brain Age]] series, which included sudoku in the North American version of its first installment. Dr. Kawashima's head also sometimes used an expression similar to Strong Bad's in the game.
**[[Wikipedia:NPR|NPR]]'s program [[Wikipedia:Weekend Edition|Weekend Edition Sunday]] includes a weekly segment with [[Wikipedia:Will Shortz|Will Shortz]], puzzle constructor (including [http://nymag.com/arts/all/features/17244/ Sudoku]), [[Wikipedia:The New York Times|New York Times]] puzzle editor, and referred to by NPR as the "[http://www.npr.org/templates/people/?typeId=1#S Puzzlemaster]".
*Strong Bad's idea of a "flame cubicle" in the Telltale offices gets "[[SBLOUNSKCHED!]]"
*The title makes a reference to the book [http://www.amazon.com/Nobody-Listens-Andrew-Elizabeth-Guilfoile/dp/0590093185 ''Nobody Listens to Andrew''].

== See Also ==
*[[Strong Sad's Lament]]

==External Links ==
*[http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/ Read Strong Bad's Dev Blog]

{{SBCG4AP}}

SBCG4AP Dev Blog

DAGRON — Thu, 22 May 2008 00:03:26 GMT

DAGRON: wikilink lynx

<div align="right">[http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/ read]</div>
[[Image:Dev Blog logo.png|thumb|300px|From the desk of Strong Bad.]]

[[Strong Bad]] regularly updates a '''Developer's Blog''' on the [[Telltale Games]] website to promote ''[[Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People]]''.

== Blog Entries ==

{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! Image !! Date !! Title !! Description !! Currently Playing:
|-id="Concept Art is a SCAM!"
| [[Image:Devblog05-21-08.PNG|100px]]|| 21 May 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-9 '''Concept Art is a SCAM!'''] || Strong Bad decries Telltale's decision to take game visuals in another direction. || "''[[Wikipedia:Viking Child|The Viking Child]]'' for [[Wikipedia: Atari Lynx|LYNX]]. Best Handheld Ever Man."
|-id="The Endinning of The End"
| [[Image:Sbdev rhonda.jpg|100px]]|| 14 May 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-8 '''The Endinning of the End'''] || Strong Bad hates the French horn. || "''[[Wikipedia:Lost Eden|Lost Eden]]'' (the dinosaurs look REAL!)"
|-id="Logos Please"
| [[Image:Sbdev logos.jpg|100px]] || 7 May 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-7 '''Logos Please'''] || Strong Bad discusses how video game success is proportional to the number of logos before the title screen. || "''[[Wikipedia:Trojan (video game)|Trojan]]'' (they still have cartoon sticks of TNT in the post-apocalyptic future!)"
|-id="New Screenshots!"
|[[Image:DevBlog042408.png|100px]] || 24 Apr 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-6 '''New Screenshots!'''] || Strong Bad shows off some new screen shots of the upcoming game... that have been altered slightly. || [[Not X|Not]] [[MS Paint]]
|-id="Anadigilogital"
| [[Image:Sbdev mig29 front.jpg|100px]] || 17 Apr 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-5 '''Anadigilogital'''] || Strong Bad complains about the game's lack of box art and dipswitches. || "[[Wikipedia:Star Wars: Rebel Assault|''Rebel Assault 1'']] (from a time when nasty looking full motion video was the future of gaming!)"
|-id="Nobody Listens to Strong Bandrew"
| [[Image:Puzzmaster.jpg|100px]] || 10 Apr 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-4 '''Nobody Listens to Strong Bandrew'''] || Strong Bad decries the Telltale Team's rejection of his game ideas. || "[http://www.gamespot.com/nes/action/wagyanland/index.html ''Wagyan Land''] (the end boss is a word game!)"
|-
|}

== Fun Facts ==
===21 May 2008 ===
*Strong Bad's refers to bull[[style]].

===14 May 2008===
*The game Strong Bad is complaining about is ''[[Wikipedia:Pitfall II: Lost Caverns|Pitfall II: Lost Caverns]]''. Frogs and balloons were two of the new features in the game, as well as unlimited lives.
*Strong Bad should know that the "silver french horn" is a scorpion, as he positively identified it as such in the commentary of [[In Search of the Yello Dello]].

=== 24 Apr 2008 ===
*Strong Bad alters a screenshot from the game and claims that it's a dating sim featuring [[Wikipedia:Kate Pierson|Kate Pierson]] of [[Wikipedia:The B-52's|the B-52's]].
*One of Strong Bad's fake screencaps reveals that Homestar's innards are filled with "Strawberry Quik". "Quik" was the original name of [[Wikipedia:Nestlé|Nestlé]]'s flavored milk drink [[Wikipedia:Nesquik|Nesquik]].
*Strong Bad claims to launch a "heat-seeking [[Wikipedia:Three Stooges|3-Stooges]] eye-poker missile" in his game. The hallmark slapstick comedy of the Stooges often included eye-poking.

=== 17 Apr 2008 ===

*''[[Wikipedia:Mig 29 Soviet Fighter|Mig 29 Soviet Fighter]]'' is an unlicensed game for the [[Nintendo#NES|NES]]. The switch on the back of the game triggers a [http://kevtris.org/mappers/lockout/camerica.html voltage spike] intended to temporarily disable the NES's [[Wikipedia:10NES|lock-out chip]] so that the unlicensed game can be played on an official console.
*Strong Bad [[Strong Bad's Spelling|uses "it's" in place of "its"]] even though he considers people who do this to be [[local news|scalawags]].

=== 10 Apr 2008 ===

*The blocky 3D Strong Bad head in the [[Wikipedia:Sudoku|sudoku]] puzzmaster picture is most likely a reference to [[Wikipedia:Dr. Kawashima|Dr. Kawashima's]] representation in the [[Wikipedia:Brain Age|Brain Age]] series, which included sudoku in the North American version of its first installment. Dr. Kawashima's head also sometimes used an expression similar to Strong Bad's in the game.
**[[Wikipedia:NPR|NPR]]'s program [[Wikipedia:Weekend Edition|Weekend Edition Sunday]] includes a weekly segment with [[Wikipedia:Will Shortz|Will Shortz]], puzzle constructor (including [http://nymag.com/arts/all/features/17244/ Sudoku]), [[Wikipedia:The New York Times|New York Times]] puzzle editor, and referred to by NPR as the "[http://www.npr.org/templates/people/?typeId=1#S Puzzlemaster]".
*Strong Bad's idea of a "flame cubicle" in the Telltale offices gets "[[SBLOUNSKCHED!]]"
*The title makes a reference to the book [http://www.amazon.com/Nobody-Listens-Andrew-Elizabeth-Guilfoile/dp/0590093185 ''Nobody Listens to Andrew''].

== See Also ==
*[[Strong Sad's Lament]]

==External Links ==
*[http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/ Read Strong Bad's Dev Blog]

{{SBCG4AP}}

SBCG4AP Dev Blog

DAGRON — Thu, 22 May 2008 00:02:39 GMT

DAGRON: he's griping about the visuals specifically, so making it a bit more specific

<div align="right">[http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/ read]</div>
[[Image:Dev Blog logo.png|thumb|300px|From the desk of Strong Bad.]]

[[Strong Bad]] regularly updates a '''Developer's Blog''' on the [[Telltale Games]] website to promote ''[[Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People]]''.

== Blog Entries ==

{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! Image !! Date !! Title !! Description !! Currently Playing:
|-id="Concept Art is a SCAM!"
| [[Image:Devblog05-21-08.PNG|100px]]|| 21 May 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-9 '''Concept Art is a SCAM!'''] || Strong Bad decries Telltale's decision to take game visuals in another direction. || "''[[Wikipedia:Viking Child|The Viking Child]]'' for LYNX. Best Handheld Ever Man."
|-id="The Endinning of The End"
| [[Image:Sbdev rhonda.jpg|100px]]|| 14 May 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-8 '''The Endinning of the End'''] || Strong Bad hates the French horn. || "''[[Wikipedia:Lost Eden|Lost Eden]]'' (the dinosaurs look REAL!)"
|-id="Logos Please"
| [[Image:Sbdev logos.jpg|100px]] || 7 May 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-7 '''Logos Please'''] || Strong Bad discusses how video game success is proportional to the number of logos before the title screen. || "''[[Wikipedia:Trojan (video game)|Trojan]]'' (they still have cartoon sticks of TNT in the post-apocalyptic future!)"
|-id="New Screenshots!"
|[[Image:DevBlog042408.png|100px]] || 24 Apr 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-6 '''New Screenshots!'''] || Strong Bad shows off some new screen shots of the upcoming game... that have been altered slightly. || [[Not X|Not]] [[MS Paint]]
|-id="Anadigilogital"
| [[Image:Sbdev mig29 front.jpg|100px]] || 17 Apr 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-5 '''Anadigilogital'''] || Strong Bad complains about the game's lack of box art and dipswitches. || "[[Wikipedia:Star Wars: Rebel Assault|''Rebel Assault 1'']] (from a time when nasty looking full motion video was the future of gaming!)"
|-id="Nobody Listens to Strong Bandrew"
| [[Image:Puzzmaster.jpg|100px]] || 10 Apr 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-4 '''Nobody Listens to Strong Bandrew'''] || Strong Bad decries the Telltale Team's rejection of his game ideas. || "[http://www.gamespot.com/nes/action/wagyanland/index.html ''Wagyan Land''] (the end boss is a word game!)"
|-
|}

== Fun Facts ==
===21 May 2008 ===
*Strong Bad's refers to bull[[style]].

===14 May 2008===
*The game Strong Bad is complaining about is ''[[Wikipedia:Pitfall II: Lost Caverns|Pitfall II: Lost Caverns]]''. Frogs and balloons were two of the new features in the game, as well as unlimited lives.
*Strong Bad should know that the "silver french horn" is a scorpion, as he positively identified it as such in the commentary of [[In Search of the Yello Dello]].

=== 24 Apr 2008 ===
*Strong Bad alters a screenshot from the game and claims that it's a dating sim featuring [[Wikipedia:Kate Pierson|Kate Pierson]] of [[Wikipedia:The B-52's|the B-52's]].
*One of Strong Bad's fake screencaps reveals that Homestar's innards are filled with "Strawberry Quik". "Quik" was the original name of [[Wikipedia:Nestlé|Nestlé]]'s flavored milk drink [[Wikipedia:Nesquik|Nesquik]].
*Strong Bad claims to launch a "heat-seeking [[Wikipedia:Three Stooges|3-Stooges]] eye-poker missile" in his game. The hallmark slapstick comedy of the Stooges often included eye-poking.

=== 17 Apr 2008 ===

*''[[Wikipedia:Mig 29 Soviet Fighter|Mig 29 Soviet Fighter]]'' is an unlicensed game for the [[Nintendo#NES|NES]]. The switch on the back of the game triggers a [http://kevtris.org/mappers/lockout/camerica.html voltage spike] intended to temporarily disable the NES's [[Wikipedia:10NES|lock-out chip]] so that the unlicensed game can be played on an official console.
*Strong Bad [[Strong Bad's Spelling|uses "it's" in place of "its"]] even though he considers people who do this to be [[local news|scalawags]].

=== 10 Apr 2008 ===

*The blocky 3D Strong Bad head in the [[Wikipedia:Sudoku|sudoku]] puzzmaster picture is most likely a reference to [[Wikipedia:Dr. Kawashima|Dr. Kawashima's]] representation in the [[Wikipedia:Brain Age|Brain Age]] series, which included sudoku in the North American version of its first installment. Dr. Kawashima's head also sometimes used an expression similar to Strong Bad's in the game.
**[[Wikipedia:NPR|NPR]]'s program [[Wikipedia:Weekend Edition|Weekend Edition Sunday]] includes a weekly segment with [[Wikipedia:Will Shortz|Will Shortz]], puzzle constructor (including [http://nymag.com/arts/all/features/17244/ Sudoku]), [[Wikipedia:The New York Times|New York Times]] puzzle editor, and referred to by NPR as the "[http://www.npr.org/templates/people/?typeId=1#S Puzzlemaster]".
*Strong Bad's idea of a "flame cubicle" in the Telltale offices gets "[[SBLOUNSKCHED!]]"
*The title makes a reference to the book [http://www.amazon.com/Nobody-Listens-Andrew-Elizabeth-Guilfoile/dp/0590093185 ''Nobody Listens to Andrew''].

== See Also ==
*[[Strong Sad's Lament]]

==External Links ==
*[http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/ Read Strong Bad's Dev Blog]

{{SBCG4AP}}

SBCG4AP Dev Blog

DAGRON — Wed, 21 May 2008 23:57:20 GMT

DAGRON: workin on the new blog?

<div align="right">[http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/ read]</div>
[[Image:Dev Blog logo.png|thumb|300px|From the desk of Strong Bad.]]

[[Strong Bad]] regularly updates a '''Developer's Blog''' on the [[Telltale Games]] website to promote ''[[Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People]]''.

== Blog Entries ==

{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! Image !! Date !! Title !! Description !! Currently Playing:
|-id="The Endinning of The End"
| [[Image:Sbdev rhonda.jpg|100px]]|| 14 May 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-8 '''The Endinning of the End'''] || Strong Bad hates the French horn. || "''[[Wikipedia:Lost Eden|Lost Eden]]'' (the dinosaurs look REAL!)"
|-id="Logos Please"
| [[Image:Sbdev logos.jpg|100px]] || 7 May 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-7 '''Logos Please'''] || Strong Bad discusses how video game success is proportional to the number of logos before the title screen. || "''[[Wikipedia:Trojan (video game)|Trojan]]'' (they still have cartoon sticks of TNT in the post-apocalyptic future!)"
|-id="New Screenshots!"
|[[Image:DevBlog042408.png|100px]] || 24 Apr 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-6 '''New Screenshots!'''] || Strong Bad shows off some new screen shots of the upcoming game... that have been altered slightly. || [[Not X|Not]] [[MS Paint]]
|-id="Anadigilogital"
| [[Image:Sbdev mig29 front.jpg|100px]] || 17 Apr 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-5 '''Anadigilogital'''] || Strong Bad complains about the game's lack of box art and dipswitches. || "[[Wikipedia:Star Wars: Rebel Assault|''Rebel Assault 1'']] (from a time when nasty looking full motion video was the future of gaming!)"
|-id="Nobody Listens to Strong Bandrew"
| [[Image:Puzzmaster.jpg|100px]] || 10 Apr 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-4 '''Nobody Listens to Strong Bandrew'''] || Strong Bad decries the Telltale Team's rejection of his game ideas. || "[http://www.gamespot.com/nes/action/wagyanland/index.html ''Wagyan Land''] (the end boss is a word game!)"
|-
|}

== Fun Facts ==
===21 May 2008 ===
*Strong Bad's refers to bull[[style]].

===14 May 2008===
*The game Strong Bad is complaining about is ''[[Wikipedia:Pitfall II: Lost Caverns|Pitfall II: Lost Caverns]]''. Frogs and balloons were two of the new features in the game, as well as unlimited lives.
*Strong Bad should know that the "silver french horn" is a scorpion, as he positively identified it as such in the commentary of [[In Search of the Yello Dello]].

=== 24 Apr 2008 ===
*Strong Bad alters a screenshot from the game and claims that it's a dating sim featuring [[Wikipedia:Kate Pierson|Kate Pierson]] of [[Wikipedia:The B-52's|the B-52's]].
*One of Strong Bad's fake screencaps reveals that Homestar's innards are filled with "Strawberry Quik". "Quik" was the original name of [[Wikipedia:Nestlé|Nestlé]]'s flavored milk drink [[Wikipedia:Nesquik|Nesquik]].
*Strong Bad claims to launch a "heat-seeking [[Wikipedia:Three Stooges|3-Stooges]] eye-poker missile" in his game. The hallmark slapstick comedy of the Stooges often included eye-poking.

=== 17 Apr 2008 ===

*''[[Wikipedia:Mig 29 Soviet Fighter|Mig 29 Soviet Fighter]]'' is an unlicensed game for the [[Nintendo#NES|NES]]. The switch on the back of the game triggers a [http://kevtris.org/mappers/lockout/camerica.html voltage spike] intended to temporarily disable the NES's [[Wikipedia:10NES|lock-out chip]] so that the unlicensed game can be played on an official console.
*Strong Bad [[Strong Bad's Spelling|uses "it's" in place of "its"]] even though he considers people who do this to be [[local news|scalawags]].

=== 10 Apr 2008 ===

*The blocky 3D Strong Bad head in the [[Wikipedia:Sudoku|sudoku]] puzzmaster picture is most likely a reference to [[Wikipedia:Dr. Kawashima|Dr. Kawashima's]] representation in the [[Wikipedia:Brain Age|Brain Age]] series, which included sudoku in the North American version of its first installment. Dr. Kawashima's head also sometimes used an expression similar to Strong Bad's in the game.
**[[Wikipedia:NPR|NPR]]'s program [[Wikipedia:Weekend Edition|Weekend Edition Sunday]] includes a weekly segment with [[Wikipedia:Will Shortz|Will Shortz]], puzzle constructor (including [http://nymag.com/arts/all/features/17244/ Sudoku]), [[Wikipedia:The New York Times|New York Times]] puzzle editor, and referred to by NPR as the "[http://www.npr.org/templates/people/?typeId=1#S Puzzlemaster]".
*Strong Bad's idea of a "flame cubicle" in the Telltale offices gets "[[SBLOUNSKCHED!]]"
*The title makes a reference to the book [http://www.amazon.com/Nobody-Listens-Andrew-Elizabeth-Guilfoile/dp/0590093185 ''Nobody Listens to Andrew''].

== See Also ==
*[[Strong Sad's Lament]]

==External Links ==
*[http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/ Read Strong Bad's Dev Blog]

{{SBCG4AP}}

One Two, One Two

DAGRON — Wed, 21 May 2008 21:45:23 GMT

DAGRON: /* Real-World References */ heh, yay piping

{{toonnav|Shorts|onetwo|Sbemail 169 Deleted Scene|Ever and More!}}
[[Image:One Two.png|thumb|"One, two, one, two..."]]

A music video composed of sounds made by all the main characters.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|Strong Mad}}, {{Film|The Cheat}}, {{Film|The Poopsmith}}, {{Film|Bubs}}, {{Film|Strong Sad}}, {{Film|Coach Z}}, {{Film|The King of Town}}, {{Film|Pom Pom}}, {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Homsar}}, {{Film|Marzipan}}

'''Places:''' [[The Field]], [[The King of Town's Grill]], [[The King of Town's Castle]], [[Bubs' Concession Stand]], [[Gymnasium]], [[Marshmallow's Last Stand (place)|Marshmallow's Last Stand]], [[Club Technochocolate]], [[Bathroom of the Brothers Strong]], [[Outer Space]]

'''Date:''' Monday, May 28, 2007

'''Running Time:''' 1:31

'''Page Title:''' Lookout World!

{{dvd|Everything Else, Volume 3}}

==Transcript==
''{Open to Homestar walking in The Field.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' One two, one two, one two, one two... ''{continues in background}''

''{Cut to Strong Mad lifting the cover off The King of Town's grill to reveal The Cheat.}''

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{angry The Cheat noise}''

''{Strong Mad replaces the cover; his reflection is clearly visible}''

'''STRONG MAD:''' GAH!

''{This set of sounds continues in the background; cut to The Poopsmith patting a pile of whatsit. As he does, noises are generated.}''

''{Noise continues in background again; cut back to Strong Mad.}''

'''STRONG MAD:''' GAH!

''{All three noises are still playing in background; cut to Bubs using a meat grinder to grind various things into sausages}''

'''BUBS:''' Ooh! Ah! A-reek-a-deek-a-deek-a-deek-a-deek-a-deek-a-deek-a-deek-a...

''{Cut to a 4-way screen split of the four scenes currently going on, sound effects continue.}''

''{Cut back to The Poopsmith. He continues to make noises with the whatsit. Cut to Strong Sad and Coach Z in the gymnasium.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Here I go! ''{pats his belly to make noise; scoreboard buzzes}''

'''COACH Z:''' Atta boy!

''{This continues in the background (without Strong Sad saying "Here I Go"); cut to The King of Town eating marshmallows.}''

'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' ''{eating noises}''

''{Eating noises continue in the background; cut back to Homestar Runner walking.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' One, two...

''{Cut to Coach Z and Strong Sad.}''

'''COACH Z:''' Atta boy!

''{Cut to Pom Pom at Club Technochocolate; he is throwing 100 dollar bills into the air, making bouncing noises.}''

''{Sound effects continue in the background; cut to Bubs}''

'''BUBS:''' A-reek-a-deek-a-deek-a-deek-a-deek...

''{Cut to Strong Bad in the shower, using a showerbrush as a microphone.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' I'm a woman on the prowl and I stick up for myself! The city is at night and I'm-

''{Cut to a 3-way screen split of Pom Pom, Strong Mad and The Cheat, and Homestar.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' -''dancin'!'' ''Dancin'!''

''{Cut back to Strong Bad}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' Homsar solo!

''{All sound effects temporarily cease; cut to Homsar in a starry background.}''

'''HOMSAR:''' ''{vaguely similar to the song Strong Bad was singing}''
AaAaAaA! OurAaAaA! ''{his hat floats around the screen}'' UrAaAaAaA, Uwarwarwarwar! A-way-way-way-waa!

''{All sound effects resume; cut to Marzipan playing Carol.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{guitar riff}''

''{Sound effects continue; cut to a 4-way screen split of Pom Pom, Bubs, Marzipan and Homestar. Cut to Strong Bad.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Look out world! I'm an independent girl!

''{On each of the next 5 beats, we cut to The Poopsmith, Strong Sad and Coach Z, The King of Town, Strong Mad and The Cheat, and then Pom Pom.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Rollin' around like a motorcade!

''{Cut to a 4-way vertical screen split of Homsar, The King of Town, Marzipan and Homestar. Then cut to Bubs.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Look out world!

''{Cut to a 4-way screen split of Strong Mad and The Cheat, Strong Bad, Strong Sad and Coach Z, and Pom Pom}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I'm an independent girl! ''{sound effects stop; zoom in on Strong Bad's square}'' ''{out of key}'' You can meet me down at the arcade! ''{no longer singing}'' Whoa! Need to get the acoustics checked out in here... ''{taps the brush he is holding, making a sound like tapping a microphone}'' Is this thing broken?

''{fade out}''

''{The word "END." appears with "MIX YOUR OWN STYLE" written under it. Click on "MIX YOUR OWN STYLE" to go to the [[MixMastah 800]].}''

==Fun Facts==
===Explanations===
*A [[wikipedia:Motorcade|motorcade]] is a procession of cars leading a VIP, usually a political figure, down a main road.

===Trivia===
*When this toon was first released, the MixMastah was loaded into the toon's Flash file, and would automatically appear at the end. Later on, the toon was modified to make the user click a link in order to reach the MixMastah in a separate page instead.
*The items Bubs grinds into sausages include (in order) a [[steak]], a tennis ball, and a [[General Tso's Chicken|Chinese food]] carton.
*Marzipan is the only main character whose face is not shown in this short.
*This is the toon with the most sketches uploaded to the [[Sketchbook]].

===Remarks===
*Homestar doesn't say "one, two" in perfect time with his walking.
*The [[Showering|shower]] Strong Bad is in looks exactly like the one on [[Main Page 14]].
*Bubs is making sausages that are already in their casings and split into links by using nothing but a meat grinder. In real life, one has to stuff the casings and twist them into sausages after grinding the meat.
*Strong Bad wears a shower cap even though he said in [[haircut]] that he doesn't have any hair.
*The [[The King of Town's grill|grill]] makes a shutting sound even when Strong Mad opens it.
*[[Carol]] looks like a classical guitar, but is apparently an [[Wikipedia:Electric acoustic guitar|electric acoustic guitar]], capable of producing a distorted tone much like an [[Characters' Instruments#Electric Guitar|electric guitar]]. She also has nylon guitar strings, as some are gray, and some are gold.
*Even though Strong Bad is in the shower the entire time he is singing, the sound of the shower running doesn't play until the very end of the toon.
*"Lookout" should be "Look out".
*Marzipan is playing her guitar in the key of E.



===Goofs===
*The scoreboard is incorrect both times when the scene returns to Strong Sad and Coach Z toward the end. It should read 18 and then 20, but instead it reads 13 and then 18.

*In some shots when Strong Mad is lifting the lid off the Cheat's house, part of the reflection of his legs in the grill is cut off.

===Fixed Goofs===
*When released, this toon had an "Again?" button, but clicking it would cause all the sounds from the MixMastah to continue playing with the replayed toon. This was fixed with the removal of the "Again?" button.
*Before, at one part when The King of Town is eating his marshmallows one would appear to go under and outside his mustache when he eats it.
*In the MixMastah, Pom Pom's sound effect loop also included The Poopsmith's loop. This was fixed when the MixMastah was separated from the main toon.
*At one point, during a cut to Strong Sad and Coach Z, the score on the scoreboard changed from 12 to 2 for a single frame before changing to 13. Also, when it was 13, it just barely stuck out of the box. This has been corrected.


===Inside References===
[[Image:Sketchbook060727.png|thumb|Keep on trucking!]]
*Homestar Runner's animation is based on a [[Sketchbook 2006#SK-2006-07-27|Weekly Sketchbook]] image, and was previously shown at the [[Georgia Tech - 26 Apr 2007|Georgia Tech talk]]. A [[graffiti]] image of Coach Z seen behind Strong Sad was also from a [[Sketchbook 2007#SK-2007-05-24|Sketchbook]] image.
*The starry background in the Homsar solo was previously seen in an Easter egg in [[ghosts]].
*This is another example of the word [[style]].
*Striking Strong Sad's belly also scores points in the [[Peg Strong Sad]] game.
*Homestar Runner's walking animation is similar to Coach Z's in the video for [[These Peoples Try to Fade Me]]
*Strong Bad's song is another instance of [[gender confusion]].

===Real-World References===
*The way Homestar walks references the iconic [http://www.zubeworld.com/crumbmuseum/truckin.html "Truckin'"] images by [[Wikipedia:Robert Crumb|R. Crumb]].
* The 'Fightin' Coach Z's' logo and the 180-degree angle of Coach Z's feet resemble [[Wikipedia:Notre Dame Fighting Irish football|Notre Dame]]'s 'Fighting Irish' logo.
*Pom Pom's money throwing is a reference to the "Makin' It Rain" technique employed by rappers.
*The shot of [[Carol]]'s fingerboard is one of the many angles the camera cuts between when playing a song in [[Guitar Hero]].

===Fast Forward===
*Homestar, Coach Z and Strong Bad start to make a similar song in an Easter egg for the email [[the paper]] before Strong Bad interrupts them.

==See Also==
*[[MixMastah 800]]

==DVD Version==
*The view of Marzipan playing Carol stays still compared to the shaking version.
*The MixMastah 800 Easter egg has been removed.
*The DVD version features hidden creators' commentary. To access it, switch your DVD player's audio language selection while watching.

=== Commentary Transcript ===
('''Commentary by:''' [[Mike Chapman]], [[Matt Chapman]])

'''MATT:''' ''{in an effeminate voice}'' This was fun to make! Yes, I agree, I— I enjoyed making this! Uh, The Chet—

'''MIKE:''' All right, stop talking in that dumb voice!

'''MATT:''' ''{laughs}'' Uh, what w—

'''MIKE:''' It's like that scene in Delicatessen. Right?

'''MATT:''' Yeah, but everybody in the hotel is making some kind of musics.  ''{pause}'' I don't wanna ever eat any of Bubs's sausage, Mike.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}'' What all do they have in there? A tennis ball—

'''MATT:''' A tennis ball. There is some steak and some Chinese food, which is good. There's an apple, which is good in sausage.

'''MIKE:''' Whoever knew that the team everybody played for was the Fightin' Coach Z's?

'''MATT:''' ''{laughs}'' I, uh— I looked up on the web— I looked up stock footage of money falling.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}''

'''MATT:''' To base that money falling on.

'''MIKE:''' That exists?

'''MATT:''' Yeah.

'''MIKE:''' Stock footage of money falling?

'''MATT:''' Mm-hmm. It wasn't even on YouTube. It was on— it was just on some stock footage— Look he's the master of time and space! He should be singing, uh—

'''MIKE:''' ''Have You Seen the Ghost of John?''

'''MATT:''' Yeah. Oh! I remember trying to make that scene be— where it looked like there was a camera on the end of Marzipan's guitar—

'''MIKE:''' Like just moving around?

'''MATT:''' Yeah, like people do on— in concert videos, but it looked really weird. I wasn't able to achieve... what I wanted.

'''MIKE:''' Who do you think that song is originally by that Strong Bad's singing?

'''MATT:''' I don't know. Some lady— a very independent lady.

'''MIKE:''' From 1987, maybe?

'''MATT:''' Mm-hmm.

===Fun Facts===
*This is another mention of [[1987]].
*Matt's calling Homsar "the master of time and space" is also a reference to [[ghosts]], prompted by the reuse of the background. Strong Sad used this phrase while in front of the starry sky in that toon.
{{sectionstub}}

== External Links ==
* [[HR:onetwo.html|watch "One Two, One Two"]]
* [[HR:onetwo.swf|view the Flash file for "One Two, One Two"]]
* [[HR:onetwomixer.html|view the "MixMastah 800"]]
* [[HR:onetwomixer.swf|view the Flash file for the "MixMastah 800"]]
* [[Forum:11543|forum thread re: "One Two, One Two"]]

{{subtitlesLinks|onetwo}}

[[Category:Shorts]]
[[Category:Songs]]
[[Category:DVD Commentary]]

One Two, One Two

DAGRON — Wed, 21 May 2008 21:44:54 GMT

DAGRON: not just 2, right?

{{toonnav|Shorts|onetwo|Sbemail 169 Deleted Scene|Ever and More!}}
[[Image:One Two.png|thumb|"One, two, one, two..."]]

A music video composed of sounds made by all the main characters.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|Strong Mad}}, {{Film|The Cheat}}, {{Film|The Poopsmith}}, {{Film|Bubs}}, {{Film|Strong Sad}}, {{Film|Coach Z}}, {{Film|The King of Town}}, {{Film|Pom Pom}}, {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Homsar}}, {{Film|Marzipan}}

'''Places:''' [[The Field]], [[The King of Town's Grill]], [[The King of Town's Castle]], [[Bubs' Concession Stand]], [[Gymnasium]], [[Marshmallow's Last Stand (place)|Marshmallow's Last Stand]], [[Club Technochocolate]], [[Bathroom of the Brothers Strong]], [[Outer Space]]

'''Date:''' Monday, May 28, 2007

'''Running Time:''' 1:31

'''Page Title:''' Lookout World!

{{dvd|Everything Else, Volume 3}}

==Transcript==
''{Open to Homestar walking in The Field.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' One two, one two, one two, one two... ''{continues in background}''

''{Cut to Strong Mad lifting the cover off The King of Town's grill to reveal The Cheat.}''

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{angry The Cheat noise}''

''{Strong Mad replaces the cover; his reflection is clearly visible}''

'''STRONG MAD:''' GAH!

''{This set of sounds continues in the background; cut to The Poopsmith patting a pile of whatsit. As he does, noises are generated.}''

''{Noise continues in background again; cut back to Strong Mad.}''

'''STRONG MAD:''' GAH!

''{All three noises are still playing in background; cut to Bubs using a meat grinder to grind various things into sausages}''

'''BUBS:''' Ooh! Ah! A-reek-a-deek-a-deek-a-deek-a-deek-a-deek-a-deek-a-deek-a...

''{Cut to a 4-way screen split of the four scenes currently going on, sound effects continue.}''

''{Cut back to The Poopsmith. He continues to make noises with the whatsit. Cut to Strong Sad and Coach Z in the gymnasium.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Here I go! ''{pats his belly to make noise; scoreboard buzzes}''

'''COACH Z:''' Atta boy!

''{This continues in the background (without Strong Sad saying "Here I Go"); cut to The King of Town eating marshmallows.}''

'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' ''{eating noises}''

''{Eating noises continue in the background; cut back to Homestar Runner walking.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' One, two...

''{Cut to Coach Z and Strong Sad.}''

'''COACH Z:''' Atta boy!

''{Cut to Pom Pom at Club Technochocolate; he is throwing 100 dollar bills into the air, making bouncing noises.}''

''{Sound effects continue in the background; cut to Bubs}''

'''BUBS:''' A-reek-a-deek-a-deek-a-deek-a-deek...

''{Cut to Strong Bad in the shower, using a showerbrush as a microphone.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' I'm a woman on the prowl and I stick up for myself! The city is at night and I'm-

''{Cut to a 3-way screen split of Pom Pom, Strong Mad and The Cheat, and Homestar.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' -''dancin'!'' ''Dancin'!''

''{Cut back to Strong Bad}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' Homsar solo!

''{All sound effects temporarily cease; cut to Homsar in a starry background.}''

'''HOMSAR:''' ''{vaguely similar to the song Strong Bad was singing}''
AaAaAaA! OurAaAaA! ''{his hat floats around the screen}'' UrAaAaAaA, Uwarwarwarwar! A-way-way-way-waa!

''{All sound effects resume; cut to Marzipan playing Carol.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' ''{guitar riff}''

''{Sound effects continue; cut to a 4-way screen split of Pom Pom, Bubs, Marzipan and Homestar. Cut to Strong Bad.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Look out world! I'm an independent girl!

''{On each of the next 5 beats, we cut to The Poopsmith, Strong Sad and Coach Z, The King of Town, Strong Mad and The Cheat, and then Pom Pom.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Rollin' around like a motorcade!

''{Cut to a 4-way vertical screen split of Homsar, The King of Town, Marzipan and Homestar. Then cut to Bubs.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Look out world!

''{Cut to a 4-way screen split of Strong Mad and The Cheat, Strong Bad, Strong Sad and Coach Z, and Pom Pom}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I'm an independent girl! ''{sound effects stop; zoom in on Strong Bad's square}'' ''{out of key}'' You can meet me down at the arcade! ''{no longer singing}'' Whoa! Need to get the acoustics checked out in here... ''{taps the brush he is holding, making a sound like tapping a microphone}'' Is this thing broken?

''{fade out}''

''{The word "END." appears with "MIX YOUR OWN STYLE" written under it. Click on "MIX YOUR OWN STYLE" to go to the [[MixMastah 800]].}''

==Fun Facts==
===Explanations===
*A [[wikipedia:Motorcade|motorcade]] is a procession of cars leading a VIP, usually a political figure, down a main road.

===Trivia===
*When this toon was first released, the MixMastah was loaded into the toon's Flash file, and would automatically appear at the end. Later on, the toon was modified to make the user click a link in order to reach the MixMastah in a separate page instead.
*The items Bubs grinds into sausages include (in order) a [[steak]], a tennis ball, and a [[General Tso's Chicken|Chinese food]] carton.
*Marzipan is the only main character whose face is not shown in this short.
*This is the toon with the most sketches uploaded to the [[Sketchbook]].

===Remarks===
*Homestar doesn't say "one, two" in perfect time with his walking.
*The [[Showering|shower]] Strong Bad is in looks exactly like the one on [[Main Page 14]].
*Bubs is making sausages that are already in their casings and split into links by using nothing but a meat grinder. In real life, one has to stuff the casings and twist them into sausages after grinding the meat.
*Strong Bad wears a shower cap even though he said in [[haircut]] that he doesn't have any hair.
*The [[The King of Town's grill|grill]] makes a shutting sound even when Strong Mad opens it.
*[[Carol]] looks like a classical guitar, but is apparently an [[Wikipedia:Electric acoustic guitar|electric acoustic guitar]], capable of producing a distorted tone much like an [[Characters' Instruments#Electric Guitar|electric guitar]]. She also has nylon guitar strings, as some are gray, and some are gold.
*Even though Strong Bad is in the shower the entire time he is singing, the sound of the shower running doesn't play until the very end of the toon.
*"Lookout" should be "Look out".
*Marzipan is playing her guitar in the key of E.



===Goofs===
*The scoreboard is incorrect both times when the scene returns to Strong Sad and Coach Z toward the end. It should read 18 and then 20, but instead it reads 13 and then 18.

*In some shots when Strong Mad is lifting the lid off the Cheat's house, part of the reflection of his legs in the grill is cut off.

===Fixed Goofs===
*When released, this toon had an "Again?" button, but clicking it would cause all the sounds from the MixMastah to continue playing with the replayed toon. This was fixed with the removal of the "Again?" button.
*Before, at one part when The King of Town is eating his marshmallows one would appear to go under and outside his mustache when he eats it.
*In the MixMastah, Pom Pom's sound effect loop also included The Poopsmith's loop. This was fixed when the MixMastah was separated from the main toon.
*At one point, during a cut to Strong Sad and Coach Z, the score on the scoreboard changed from 12 to 2 for a single frame before changing to 13. Also, when it was 13, it just barely stuck out of the box. This has been corrected.


===Inside References===
[[Image:Sketchbook060727.png|thumb|Keep on trucking!]]
*Homestar Runner's animation is based on a [[Sketchbook 2006#SK-2006-07-27|Weekly Sketchbook]] image, and was previously shown at the [[Georgia Tech - 26 Apr 2007|Georgia Tech talk]]. A [[graffiti]] image of Coach Z seen behind Strong Sad was also from a [[Sketchbook 2007#SK-2007-05-24|Sketchbook]] image.
*The starry background in the Homsar solo was previously seen in an Easter egg in [[ghosts]].
*This is another example of the word [[style]].
*Striking Strong Sad's belly also scores points in the [[Peg Strong Sad]] game.
*Homestar Runner's walking animation is similar to Coach Z's in the video for [[These Peoples Try to Fade Me]]
*Strong Bad's song is another instance of [[gender confusion]].

===Real-World References===
*The way Homestar walks references the iconic [http://www.zubeworld.com/crumbmuseum/truckin.html "Truckin'"] images by [[Wikipedia:Robert Crumb|R. Crumb]].
* The 'Fightin' Coach Z's' logo and the 180-degree angle of Coach Z's feet resemble [[Wikipedia:Notre Dame Fighting Irish football|Notre Dame]]'s 'Fighting Irish' logo.
*Pom Pom's money throwing is a reference to the "Makin' It Rain" technique employed by rappers.
*The shot of [[Carol]]'s fingerboard is one of the many angles the camera cuts between when playing a song in [[Guitar Hero|Guitar Hero]].

===Fast Forward===
*Homestar, Coach Z and Strong Bad start to make a similar song in an Easter egg for the email [[the paper]] before Strong Bad interrupts them.

==See Also==
*[[MixMastah 800]]

==DVD Version==
*The view of Marzipan playing Carol stays still compared to the shaking version.
*The MixMastah 800 Easter egg has been removed.
*The DVD version features hidden creators' commentary. To access it, switch your DVD player's audio language selection while watching.

=== Commentary Transcript ===
('''Commentary by:''' [[Mike Chapman]], [[Matt Chapman]])

'''MATT:''' ''{in an effeminate voice}'' This was fun to make! Yes, I agree, I— I enjoyed making this! Uh, The Chet—

'''MIKE:''' All right, stop talking in that dumb voice!

'''MATT:''' ''{laughs}'' Uh, what w—

'''MIKE:''' It's like that scene in Delicatessen. Right?

'''MATT:''' Yeah, but everybody in the hotel is making some kind of musics.  ''{pause}'' I don't wanna ever eat any of Bubs's sausage, Mike.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}'' What all do they have in there? A tennis ball—

'''MATT:''' A tennis ball. There is some steak and some Chinese food, which is good. There's an apple, which is good in sausage.

'''MIKE:''' Whoever knew that the team everybody played for was the Fightin' Coach Z's?

'''MATT:''' ''{laughs}'' I, uh— I looked up on the web— I looked up stock footage of money falling.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}''

'''MATT:''' To base that money falling on.

'''MIKE:''' That exists?

'''MATT:''' Yeah.

'''MIKE:''' Stock footage of money falling?

'''MATT:''' Mm-hmm. It wasn't even on YouTube. It was on— it was just on some stock footage— Look he's the master of time and space! He should be singing, uh—

'''MIKE:''' ''Have You Seen the Ghost of John?''

'''MATT:''' Yeah. Oh! I remember trying to make that scene be— where it looked like there was a camera on the end of Marzipan's guitar—

'''MIKE:''' Like just moving around?

'''MATT:''' Yeah, like people do on— in concert videos, but it looked really weird. I wasn't able to achieve... what I wanted.

'''MIKE:''' Who do you think that song is originally by that Strong Bad's singing?

'''MATT:''' I don't know. Some lady— a very independent lady.

'''MIKE:''' From 1987, maybe?

'''MATT:''' Mm-hmm.

===Fun Facts===
*This is another mention of [[1987]].
*Matt's calling Homsar "the master of time and space" is also a reference to [[ghosts]], prompted by the reuse of the background. Strong Sad used this phrase while in front of the starry sky in that toon.
{{sectionstub}}

== External Links ==
* [[HR:onetwo.html|watch "One Two, One Two"]]
* [[HR:onetwo.swf|view the Flash file for "One Two, One Two"]]
* [[HR:onetwomixer.html|view the "MixMastah 800"]]
* [[HR:onetwomixer.swf|view the Flash file for the "MixMastah 800"]]
* [[Forum:11543|forum thread re: "One Two, One Two"]]

{{subtitlesLinks|onetwo}}

[[Category:Shorts]]
[[Category:Songs]]
[[Category:DVD Commentary]]

Homestar Ruiner

DAGRON — Wed, 21 May 2008 21:09:18 GMT

DAGRON: /* Inside References */ link the song?

[[Image:Strong Bad Bleachers Homestar Ruiner.png|thumb|The scheming wrestleman]]

'''Homestar Ruiner''' is the first episode of [[Strong Bad's Cool Game For Attractive People]], with an anticipated release date of June 2008.

While [[Strong Bad]] is going about his usual routine — checking [[Strong Bad Email|emails]], etc. — [[Homestar Runner]] tells him about the [[Contests#Tri-annual Race to the End of the Race|Tri-annual Race to the End of the Race]]. Once Strong Bad hears of Homestar's intention to win this contest, he schemes to snatch victory from Homestar's [[Lack of Visible Arms|invisible grasp]].

==Transcript of Episode Trailer==

''{Strong Bad and Homestar Runner are standing on a racetrack near a pool.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' All right, Homestar, the time for our ultimate throwdown of total death-tiny has arrived! Put 'em up!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh, hello, Strong Bad! Are you here to watch the race?

''{A response choice appears above Strong Bad's head. There's only one option, which looks like a trophy. A cursor appears and selects it.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' A race? You mean like a race-race? Race-race-race?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' You haven't heard about the Free Country USA Triannual Race to the End of the Race?! It's only the coolest and most important sporting event in the history of sporting events I'm about to compete in ever!

'''STRONG BAD:''' A race, eh? You know, beating you in a race would be almost as much fun as beating you senseless!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' I'd like to see you try, Strong Bad! I've been trainin' my twees off for weeks now. Besides, Marzipan has promised me a big victory party after I win!

''{The response choice returns. Now there are two choices, the trophy and one that looks like a party hat. The cursor appears and selects the party hat.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Did someone say "Pwahty"?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh hecks yeah! Marzipan's putting together a ''huge'' party, with floats, and cake jugglers, and balloon manimals, and—

'''STRONG BAD:''' And why was I, Lord High Awesome Party, occasionally known as Strong Bad, not invited?!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{whisperingly}'' Whisperingly, I don't think Marzipan likes you very much.

''{The response choice returns with the same options as before. The cursor closes it.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' All this race talk has intrigued me. I believe I will postpone your pummeling for now.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Pummeling?

''{A cell phone ring is heard. Homestar produces a cell phone.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Hold on. I gotta take this. ''{takes the call and holds the phone to his face}'' Yes, Marzipan? Yes? Yes. Yes. Yes? Noooo! Yes! Yes! ''{closeup on Strong Bad, who looks toward the camera and shakes his head}'' I miss you too, puddin' sack. See you after the race! Bye!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Girlfriend troubles?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Not me, bro. Marzipan just wanted my opinion on the decorations. And the cake jugglers. And the ''{suddenly growing annoyed}'' ''{Unintelligible}''. And the bgh bzjt breh!

''{He kicks the phone away in anger. It lands near Coach Z, who can be seen with video equipment. Cut back to Homestar.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Pardon me. I'm off to the locker room to reacquire my game face.

''{He walks away and the screen fades to a splash screen for Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People.}''

== Fun Facts ==
=== Trivia ===
*The [[Scoreboard|scoreboard]] has the initials [[Coach Z|CZ]] and [[Pom Pom|PP]] on it.

=== Remarks ===
*This is one of the few times we hear a character say [[Free Country, USA]]. The last time this occurred was when Strong Bad said it in [[flashback]].

=== Inside References ===
*Homestar previously called his butt a "[[Glossary#T|twees]]" in [[lady fan]].
*Strong Bad's pronunciation of "party" matches his pronunciation in [[nightlife]].
*Homestar mentions [[cake]] jugglers.
*Marzipan has previously written a [[Oh yeah yeah|song]] stating that she [[marzipan|really doesn't like Strong Bad at all]].

=== Real-World References ===
*"Balloon Manimals" might reference the short-lived NBC drama ''[[Wikipedia:Manimal|Manimal]]''.
*Strong Bad references the popular flash animation ''[[Wikipedia:Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny|Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny]]''.
*When Homestar is on the phone with Marzipan, the way he says, "Yes? Yes. Yes. Yes? Noo! Yes. Yes?" is a reference to [[Wikipedia: Abe Lincoln Must Die!|episode 4]] of ''[[Wikipedia:Sam & Max Season One|Sam & Max Season One]]'', where Sam answers a phone with the Commissioner and says that in the same way.

== External Links ==
*[http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/homestarruinergameplay/ Watch the gameplay video for "Homestar Ruiner"]
*[http://www.telltalegames.com/community/blogs/id-337 Read May 14, 2008 press release about "Homestar Ruiner"]
*[[forum:14052|forum thread re: "Homestar Ruiner" trailer]]

{{SBCG4AP}}

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DAGRON — Wed, 21 May 2008 20:35:01 GMT

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== (Archived) Invitation to Register ==

Hi, there, I notice that you've been making many contributions over the past week. You may want to consider [[Special:Userlogin|registering an account]], as there are [[HRWiki:Why create an account?|many benefits to this]]. In your case, it would probably be particularly beneficial in discussions on talk pages, which you seem to be involved in often, since the opinions of registered users tend to carry more weight. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:15, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

== Welcome to HRWiki ==

Hey, glad to see you decided to join us as a [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Strong_Bad_and_Bubs%27s_Relationship&curid=38926&diff=516592&oldid=516539&rcid=473142 registered user]! I also like your choice of name: from possibly the [[dragon|most famous email ever]], yet from a more obscure element of the email. Well, welcome to being a full member of our wiki, and if you need anything, you can always stop by [[User talk:Heimstern Läufer|my talk page]]. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:24, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

== Removal of sic ==

sorry, didn't even notice that you had changed something else... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:17, 17 November 2007 (UTC)

== little question ==

just wondering... why did you choose to leave your user page blank? {{User:Haldo/sig}}
:<nowiki>*</nowiki>shrug* no reason. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 06:01, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

== Recurring Themes ==

Hi DAGRON. I'm not going to revert [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Mashing&curid=23552&diff=549701&oldid=518664&rcid=506955 this] edit, but I think we better discuss what is a recurring theme before we go into a category-changing rampage. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 09:14, 10 March 2008 (UTC) 
:<nowiki>*</nowiki>shrug* You can revert it if ya want, but the distinction between recurring theme and running gag seems pretty self-evident to me. A running gag is, y'know, a gag. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 09:32, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah, and a theme is a theme. :P Anyways, thanks for understanding. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 11:00, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

== Cereal Pictures ==

What do you call someone who uploads about a zillion pictures for [[Breakfast Cereals from Specially Marked|this page]]? A cereal uploader! Hahahahahaha, okay i'm not funny, but good job anyway. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 03:16, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:Little did you know that I have an unhealthy affection for terrible puns. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 03:30, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks for the work! A little reminder: [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Image:Blue_laser_blasts.PNG&curid=42230&diff=559275&oldid=559257&rcid=516729 this edit summary] makes sense in RC, but doesn't make sense in the page history. Don't forget to write edit summaries that make sense in both contexts. Thanks! {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 03:21, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::Hmm, what you say is true. My apologies. I shall try to not make that mistake in the future. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 03:30, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Is not a big deal, it just makes things a bit better. Keep on tranglin', {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 03:33, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

== A kind request ==

Hey there DAGRON. You're one excellent user, and I always enjoy seeing what you edit. How about we get to know you a bit better? You don't ''have'' to make a user page, but I just wanted to let you know there is a [[User talk:AbdiViklas# Welcome! You've Got Mail|precedent of peer-pressure]] concerning user page creation ;). Just kidding. But now, there are some psychological things that should be considered when seeing a red-linked user contributing heavily. It could be a one-time thing, or gosh forbid, a vandal. Now, all of us '''know''' that you are an awesome user and you help a lot (you really do!) and we want you to be more part of the community, and the first step for that is userpage creation. So what you say? :) {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 12:02, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
:Thank you for your encouraging words (I get anxious when I see someone post on this page; usually it means the user has done something wrong). I will consider making a userpage <strike>so you know that I'm not a vandal.</strike> (kidding).

:Though I will miss the redlinked name. Red's my favorite color, don't you know. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 06:20, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

::You could always do it like this! [[User:Trey56|Trey56]] 06:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Or, more specifically, like this! [[User:OptimisticFool|OptimisticFool]] 07:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC) (if you're partial to that particular shade -- though Recent Changes and page histories will (regrettably?) display your name in blue...)
::::Aw, blue is the new red! {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 08:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::I'd also like to chime in here and pretty much echo what everyone else has already said. I'm looking forward to a [[User:DAGRON|blue link here]] (though I [[HRFWiki:User:It's dot com|completely understand]] the desire to keep it red). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:15, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Thanks again for the support from all who are encouraging me to make a userpage. I haven't forgot about it. I intend to work on it as soon as I get a moment. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 20:35, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

== Sig ==

Hey there, DAGRON. I like where you're going with your signature, but before you get too far with that image, there's a couple of things I thought I'd point out from [[HRWiki:Signature]]: "Your signature must include a text version of your username, with a link to your user page" and "A background other than white is strongly discouraged, and any such background must be confined to the immediate text area." Hopefully you can find a way to reconcile your current idea with the above. Keep on tranglin'! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:09, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:Hmm, yeah, the points you make are reasonable. I'll give some thought to how to reconcile these issues. In the meantime, I guess I can open it up to any suggestions others might have for my sig. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 20:35, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

User talk:70.190.0.24

DAGRON — Wed, 21 May 2008 20:28:04 GMT

DAGRON: Invitation to register

Hey, there! I noticed that you've done some good work on both the [[Smoldering]] and [[Non-Sequitur Champion]] pages. I wanted to say that you should consider [[Special:Userlogin|registering an account]], as there are [[HRWiki:Why create an account?|several benefits to this]]. It's optional, of course, but it can help you get more involved in the community. Until then, thanks for the work you've done here at the knowledge base. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 20:28, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Strong Bad

DAGRON — Tue, 20 May 2008 18:23:57 GMT

DAGRON: /* Fun Facts */ reword one ff (misplaced modifier) , remove another (one-time throw-away gag doesn't seem to be notable enough to put on his page.)

{{charnav|Strong Bad|sb|Homestar Runner|The Cheat}}
[[Image:currentbad.png|thumb|The ramblin' wreck of email-check!]]
== Biography ==

'''Strong Bad''' is one of the most well-known characters in the [[Homestar Runner (body of work)|Homestar Runner]] body of work. He started out as the villain who tried to cheat his way to the top but was always doomed to fail before [[Homestar Runner]]. In the manner that minor characters become [[Wikipedia:breakout character|breakout characters]], he's now less of a villain and more of a highly expanded form of comic relief, with his irascible sarcasm and rough voice seeming to make him ever more popular with fans of the website.

He answers [[Strong Bad Email|emails]] with a passion, and will [[Poorly Written Emails|make fun]] of their grammar, punctuation, and spelling—although he's not overly worried about [[Strong Bad's Spelling|his own]]. He also hates to be asked about [[How Do You Type With Boxing Gloves On?|how he manages to type with boxing gloves on]]. He usually does what he does best when he gets an e-mail like that: '''[[DELETED|DELETED!!]]''' He also writes, illustrates, and narrates the series of [[Teen Girl Squad]] comics.

Strong Bad is the middle child of [[The Brothers Strong]]. His is the dominant personality and he loves to push everyone around: he's often abusing Homestar, [[Kicking The Cheat|kicking]] [[The Cheat]], [[Marzipan's Answering Machine|prank-calling]] [[Marzipan]], or [[Strong Bad and Strong Sad's Relationship|tormenting]] [[Strong Sad]] (although it's been hinted that they [[The Secrets That I Keep|got along]] when they were younger). Although he seems to dislike or positively loathe most people, he enjoys the company of [[Bubs]], The Cheat (his ever-diligent lackey), [[Strong Mad]] (his older brother), and, [[Strong Bad and Pom Pom's Relationship|to a lesser extent]], [[Pom Pom]].

[[Image:Baby strong bad.png|thumb|"That freakin' duck swallowed both my pixels!"]]
He has boxing gloves for hands (which always have square window reflections on them, no matter where he is), and a [[Wikipedia:Lucha libre|lucha libre]] mask for a head (as confirmed in [[some kinda robot]]). Although he claims that his mask is his face, he once removed it in the [[the chair]]. This act caused him a lot of pain but no lasting visible damage. His mouth is rectangular, though it often becomes round when he says words with the letter "o". Most of the time, Strong Bad's mouth is in a slight frown, but there are occasions where he [[Strong Bad Smiling|smiles]]. The blue diamond on his face also gives him the power to mentally open [[Cold One]]s and even pop Homestar's hat off his head; however, this seems to have been abandoned, as it was only demonstrated in [[super powers]]. Strong Bad rules the land of [[Strong Badia]], a barren field behind the [[Wikipedia:Dumpster (term)|dumpsters]] that is completely devoid of any sentient life. His favorite saying is (or was for a time) "[[Crap|holy crap]]", though he hates when people use the word crap when [[Crapfully Yours|signing emails]]. He frequently mangles words, as seen in [[army]]. ("We're a one man army. Er, a three man one-y. [[Three-to-One Marny|Three-to-one-marny]]?") It has also been [[road trip|implied]] that he wets the bed, a fact that he attempts to [[Blatant Lies|cover up]] with little success. However, he seems to sleep instead on the couch in his [[Strong Bad's Basement|basement]], frequently mumbling video game titles as he wakes surrounded by bags of [[Potate]].

Strong Bad talks a big line, claiming to be a criminal mastermind, a [[Exaggerated Strong Bad|muscle man]], and totally popular with the [[Strong Bad's Ladies|ladies]], though there is little evidence of any of these claims, and no shortage of evidence that they are all untrue. Strong Bad refuses to acknowledge this however, and continues unaffected with his delusions of grandeur. He is convinced that Marzipan likes, or has a crush on, him when in fact she "[[marzipan|really doesn't like him at all]]." Due to his delusional opinions about himself, much of what Strong Bad says is [[Blatant Lies|obviously untrue]].

He loves to listen to [[Limozeen]], [[Taranchula]], and [[Peter Frampton]]. He seems to dislike any band that isn't considered [[Heavy Metal|metal]], as seen towards the end of [[concert]]. His favorite show is [[Caleb Rentpayer]]. He also enjoys doing [[caper|Jumble puzzles]] and [[The Interview|baking]]. His love for [[Strong Bad's Technology|older technology]] such as cassette tapes, command prompt computers, old video games and laserdiscs, and the titles of events such as "[[monster truck|Awexome Cross '98]]", and "[[TrogdorCon '97]]" suggest that Strong Bad is "living in the past". Despite his love of the nineties, he seems to despise and destroy anything from any previous decade, like [[Wikipedia:8-track cartridge|8-Tracks]], TVs that lost their essence in the '70s, and the [[Nintendo#Nintendo Entertainment System (NES)|Nintendo Entertainment System]].

[[Image:StrongBad 3D variation.PNG|thumb|Check out all my glorious D's]]

Strong Bad has sung many hit singles, his most popular being "[[Everybody to the Limit]]". He also stars as the protagonist in the blockbuster action series "[[Dangeresque (film series)|Dangeresque]]".

He works with Homestar and The Cheat at an [[The Office|unnamed tech company]], though despite this fixed income, he seems to have financial troubles, and often attempts money making solutions of questionable legitimacy and [[other days|burns his bills]] with his [[BMW Lighter]]. His financial troubles might be partly due to his high electric bill, which he claims to be $70,000 in [[environment]]. His dream job, as stated in [[from work]], is to be a 2nd 2nd assistant space whale scrubber.

Strong Bad is somewhat prejudiced; he has been [[sb_email 22|banned from the UK]], and often [[little questions|ridicules non-English speakers]] on their e-mails. He also does not get on well with old people or [[for kids|children]], although he claims to have children of his own, including Jeffrey Beffrey Mudgeman, at his second secret home where he goes by the name Vance Mudgeman. He doesn't appear to care much for those children either, or perhaps he does and truly believes that "you got to be firm."

As evidenced in [[stand-up]], Strong Bad once did [[Wikipedia:standup comedy|stand-up comedy]] as a kid. He apparently wasn't very good, as he tried to make up jokes instead of using natural comedy or rehearsed jokes. However, he doesn't like talking about his act, because his pants fell down in front of the audience, and he ran away embarrassed.

*'''Domicile:''' [[House of the Brothers Strong]]
*'''Debut:''' [[Original Book|"The Homestar Runner Enters The Strongest Man in the World Contest"]]
*[[:Category:Strong Bad Filmography|Complete Filmography]]

== Character Video Transcript ==
[[Image:The SB.PNG|thumb|"Ladies, form a line to my left for makeouts! Dudes, form a line to my right for high fives!"]]
''{'''Page Title:''' Get ready for the new!}'' ''{'''Place:''' [[Strong Badia]]}''

''{Strong Bad is seen standing next to several wooden props, including one of Homestar Runner with a snake wrapped around his head. He is moving some of the props around.}''

'''STRONG BAD''': Hold on, I'm not done with the props yet! ''{turns to camera}'' Greetings, party people in the place to be! I am called Strong Bad! Hand over all your moneys in a paper and/or plastic bag! Ladies, form a line to my left for makeouts! Dudes, form a line to my right for high fives! Like I said, I'm Strong Bad. I've been described as cool, awesome, hot, video games, the hottest, and real real hot. Me and my big brother and our The Cheat pretty much run the show around here, as well as serve as a sort of multi-purpose criminal element. Yeah, we got a lot of—

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER''': Ahe-he-hem.

'''STRONG BAD''': What are you doing here?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER''': Well, I was gonna get a high five, but, I see that I'm already here. And with a snake on my head!

'''STRONG BAD''': Yeah, that's right. So I'm gonna have to charge you double. You know, since you're both here.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER''': That sounds reasonable! ''{pronounces it re-ZON-able}''

'''STRONG BAD''': Okay, I only accept gold nuggets. Or maybe Denver Nuggets. ...Whatever you got on ya. Chicken nuggets.

===Fun Facts===
*"Party peoples in the place to be!" is a reference to an [[Wikipedia:Ultramagnetic MC|Ultramagnetic MC]] song called "Ego Trippin'", during which before the song, the announcer says, "Party peoples in the place to be! Just for you, it's the Ultramagnetic MCs!"
*The [[Wikipedia:Denver Nuggets|Denver Nuggets]] are a professional [[Wikipedia:National Basketball Association|NBA]] basketball team.

== Strength ==
[[Image:StrongBadPushups.png|thumb|Strong Bad by name, but not by nature.]]
There is highly conflicting evidence regarding Strong Bad's strength. For the most part, it is implied that Strong Bad is actually very weak and out of shape and that "Strong Bad" is merely his name and not an accurate description: In the email [[lady fan]], he is unable to do even a single push-up, and states that he used to be able to do only four. In addition, the paper on Strong Bad's desk in the [[Homestar Quiz]] reads "Strong Bad isn't so strong after all. If he tried hard, which of the following could he lift?", and lists the choices as "an ounce", "a week", "a weak", and "pepper". Strong Sad has stated on [[Strong Sad's Lament|his blog]] that Strong Bad's punches do not hurt, compared against Strong Mad's that do. On the other hand, in the email [[car]], Strong Bad demonstrates the ability to punch Homestar hard enough to hit and crack the wall, and in the email [[secret identity]], he literally tosses both Homestar and the King of Town out of his house. He can also easily pick up and carry the supposedly 42-pound [[Lappy 486]], and is quite adept at [[kicking The Cheat]] (hinted in [[Where's The Cheat?]] to weigh about 18 pounds). In the email [[lady...ing]], Strong Bad picks up and throws an anvil. It is possible that, like Homestar's "[[Lack of Visible Arms|arms]]", Strong Bad's true strength may be purposely ambiguous.

== Fun Facts ==
[[Image:Strong Bad Eyes Closed.PNG|thumb|With both eyes shut]]
*Strong Bad and Strong Mad, and their original role as tag team wrestlers, came from the [[Nintendo]] video game [[Wikipedia:Tag Team Wrestling|Tag Team Wrestling]] created by Data East U.S.A. in 1986. In this game, one of the teams is called "The Strong Bads."
*Apparently, Strong Bad is able to survive, stand up, and even talk, with a hole blasted in his head, as shown in [[Marshmallow's Last Stand]] and the email [[lady...ing]].
*As evidenced in the e-mail [[your funeral]], it appears that his eyes will turn black after he dies.
*He has never completely closed his mouth, and he supposedly has a green tongue.
*Strong Bad was originally conceived as a masked wrestler because in their childhood, The Brothers Chaps viewed masked wrestlers as the embodiment of evil, making them an ideal choice for an antagonist.
*As seen by [[Lil' Strong Bad]] and in [[highschool]], his head seems to become more oval-shaped as he grows older.
*When he is sleeping, he [[Couch Mumbling|mumbles]] names of famous SNES games, such as Super Contra or Chrono Trigger.
*Strong Bad's head moves around a lot more when he speaks facing away from the camera than when he speaks facing towards it. This is true even when he [[Main Page 23|thinks he is facing the camera]].
*As of 18 March 2007, Strong Bad has the highest complete filmography of all the characters on the website, appearing in 320 toons.
**Of all the characters' lines on the website, he also has the most lines and the largest collection of [[Quote of the Week|quotes]] for a character.
*Strong Bad hopes to become a 2nd 2nd Assistant Space-Whale scrubber.
*Strong Bad has a [["Er" pronounced as "oi"|habit]] of pronouncing certain words with an "uhr" sound the way a stereotypical New Yorker would pronounce them (e.g. he says "soivice" instead of "service" in [[lackey]]).
*As evidenced in [[from work]] and [[business trip]], Strong Bad is currently employed.
*At his fastest, Strong Bad types approximately 240 [[Wikipedia:Typing#Words per Minute|words per minute]] (in a segment in [[death metal]]).
*Strong Bad seems to have a small amount of psychic ability powered by the blue diamond on his head, as evidenced in [[super powers]].

== Relationships ==
[[Image:SBbrain.PNG|thumb|Strong Bad's brain in [[specially marked]]]]

:''Main article: [[Character Relationships]]''
*[[Homestar Runner and Strong Bad's Relationship]]
*[[Strong Bad and The Cheat's Relationship]]
*[[Strong Bad and Strong Mad's Relationship]]
*[[Strong Bad and Strong Sad's Relationship]]
*[[Strong Bad and Bubs's Relationship]]
*[[Strong Bad and Pom Pom's Relationship]]
*[[Strong Bad and the King of Town's Relationship]]
*[[Strong Bad and Marzipan's Relationship]]

== Variations ==
[[Image:puppetstrongbad.png|thumb|[[Puppet Stuff|Puppet]] Strong Bad]]
[[Image:tinyhandedstrongbad.png|thumb|Strong Bad from [[flashback]]]]

*[[Old-Timey Strong Bad]] ([[Old-Timey]])
*[[Stinkoman]] ([[20X6]])
*[[Keyboard Strong Bad]] ([[Sweet Cuppin' Cakes]])
*[[Tiny-Handed Strong Bad]]
*[[Lil' Strong Bad]]
*[[Strong Badman]]
*[[Atari Strong Bad]]
*[[Vector Strong Bad]]
*[[Wrestleman]]
*[[Made-Up Strong Bad Animals]]
*[[Sterrance]]
*[[Teenage Variation#Teenage Strong Bad|Teenage Strong Bad]]
*[[Free Petry Dish, USA Variation#Strongbadiophage|Strongbadiophage]] ([[highschool]])
*[[Head Bad and Strong Body]] ([[disconnected]])
*[[The Castlefunnies|The Castlefunnies Strong Bad]] ([[old comics]])
*[[Zombie Strong Bad]] ([[your funeral]])
*[[Poopsmith Strong Bad]] ([[secret identity]])


=== [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters|Teen Girl Squad Variations]] ===
*[[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Strong Bad|Strong Bad]]
*[[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Leprechaun Strong Bad|Leprechaun Strong Bad]]
*[[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Sir Hotbod Handsomeface|Sir Hotbod Handsomeface]]
*[[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Strong Bad Robot|Strong Bad Robot]]

=== [[Halloween Costumes]] ===
*[[Wikipedia:Carmen Miranda|Carmen Miranda]] in [[Homestarloween Party]].
*[[Wikipedia:Carmen Sandiego|Carmen Sandiego]] in [[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]].
*Homestar as [[Wikipedia:Angus Young|Angus Young]] in [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]].
*Ozone (from the movie [[Wikipedia:Breakin'|Breakin']]) in [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]].
*[[Wikipedia:Cesar Romero|Cesar Romero]] as [[Wikipedia:Joker (comics)|The Joker]] in [[Halloween Fairstival]].
*[[Wikipedia:Jambi the Genie|Jambi the Genie]] (from [[Wikipedia:Pee-wee's Playhouse|Pee-wee's Playhouse]]) in [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]]
*[[Wikipedia:Father Guido Sarducci|Father Guido Sarducci]] in [[Happy Hallow-day]].
*[[Wikipedia:Beetlejuice|Beetlejuice]] in [[Jibblies 2]]

==Quotes of the Week==
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*{{qotw|"Verify our range to target! Flood tubes three and four! Hunt for Red October!"|[[Date Nite]]|HR:weeklies/sb_oktober.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"A-can I get a reSTRIC-TED?!"|[[rated]]|Mirror:sb_restricted.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"Thar she blows the Cheat! Aim for the blow hole!"|[[Blubb-O's Commercial]]|Mirror:sb_tharblow.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"Oh, way to impress, Spirit of St. Loolis. The peanut brittle coulda swam better than that."|[[business trip]] (first sentence an outtake)|Mirror:sb_stloolis.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"Borgorroth of Coolswordorroth shimmies for no man!"|[[web comics]]|Mirror:sb_borgorroth.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"Oh and one more thing, if your jim-jams happen to be a pair of takelongs..."|[[slumber party]] outtake|mirror:sb_takelongs.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"I'm gonna be so far under par, I'm gonna be over par!" '''[[The Cheat]]:''' ''{The Cheat noises}'' '''Strong Bad:''' "Oh, well then, I'll just be really far under par, then."|[[mini-golf]] outtake|mirror:sbcheat_par.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"Garbage disposal: what a way to go! Garbage disposal, meet So and So."|[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 13]]|Mirror:sb_garbagedis.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"Do not attempt to adjust those trucker caps you're all wearing. Or wait, in fact, DO adjust them. Everybody turn your trucker caps sidewise!"|[[Field Day Intro]]|Mirror:sb_fieldday.mp3|download}}
*{{qotw|'''Singers:''' "You and me, babe, livin for dreams, lifin' for love, drinkin' for free. Sittin' on top of an old robot, sharin' and carin' it out. The memory's scrubbin' you down!"|[[theme song]]|Mirror:lifingforlove.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"Whoa, it's been upgraded to stank. Just last week it was only stink. Stonk can't be far away."|[[the chair]] outtake|Mirror:sb_stankstonk.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"Naw it's a moon computer. Y'know, the kind the planets use to do their taxes." |[[A Decemberween Pageant]]|Mirror:sb_planetaxes.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"When email comes to town you know, you know it's like a rainstorm in your browser.When email comes to town I know, I know it's like a netscape hurricane"|Extended version of [[theme song]]'s opening lines (with background music)|Mirror:sb_rainstorm.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"You will note the artist's attention to fine wines, his masterful use of shadow...stevens. Circle gets the square."|[[portrait]] outtake|Mirror:sb_stevens.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"Alright I gotta get out of here. I'm meetin Delelilia for some vietma- viamatese tunuffins!"|[[senior prom]] outtake|Mirror:sb_vietbunmuffins.mp3}}
*{{qotw|The SBLOUNSKCHED! Bar jingle|[[candy product]]|Mirror:sblounskched.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"Oh, if you want it to be possessive it's just 'its,' but if it's supposed to be a contraction then it's I-T apostrophe S! ...scalawag."|[[local news]]|Mirror:sb_itsits.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"What?! ''[[Wikipedia:Under Siege 2: Dark Territory|Under Siege 2]]''?? You got me this for like the last 3 years, man!"|[[The Best Decemberween Ever]] outtake|Mirror:sb_undersiege2.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"The Cheatbot! Do you use that same mouth to kiss your... motherboard."|[[technology]] outtake|Mirror:sb_motherboard.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"They flew on a sweet, sweet mushroom bridge to the...baseball...game."|[[flashback]] outtake|Mirror:sb_baseballgame.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"Oh! Very mean things...to say. Funny also, too."|QotW exclusive|Mirror:sb_verymean.mp3}}
*{{qotw|As [[Reynold]]: "Oh, I really need to go grocery shopping. I wish my girlfriend didn't leave me." |[[Cheat Commandos (toon)|Cheat Commandos]]|Mirror:reynold_groceries.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"You bet! Hit me on the slant!"|[[Senorial Day]]|Mirror:sb_hitmeontheslant.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"Naw, it can't be heaven. There's not enough [[Wikipedia:Twinkies|Twinkies]]."|[[Where the Crap Are We?]]|Mirror:sb_twinkies.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"I'm on a RAMPAGE!!"|[[rampage]]|Mirror:sb_rampage.mp3}}
*{{qotw|Imitating the [[Lappy 486]] startup noise: "Dong DIIING!!!"|[[animal]]|Mirror:sb_dongdling.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"Oh. Why do you...guys...like me anymore. I—I've lost it!"|[[origins]] outtake|Mirror:sb_ivelostit.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"Everyone is different. No two people are not on fire. Awww."|[[kids' book]]|Mirror:sb_no2people.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"I doh du duoh [[crapfully yours]]. ID DO DU DUOH CRAPFULLY YOURS!"|[[virus]]|Mirror:qod_sb_crapfullyours.mp3}}
*{{qotw|Sings the "You're a Girl" song|[[montage]]|Mirror:youreagirl.zip}}
*{{qotw|"And I'll just erase it using my... electron... towel."|[[haircut]] outtake|Mirror:sb_lightrag.mp3}}
*{{qotw|'''With [[Homestar Runner]]''': "Looks like we're gonna have to jump!"|[[dangeresque 3]]|Mirror:sbhs_havetojump.zip}}
*{{qotw|''{click}'' "Don't forget to experience the fury of our gift shooop." ''{click}''|[[theme park]]|Mirror:sb_giftshop.zip}}
*{{qotw|'''As [[Li'l Brudder]]''': "I can make it on my own!"|[[crying]]|Mirror:sb_brudder.zip}}
*{{qotw|"Strong Bad did a jig while holding all the grapes, and [[The Cheat]] learned to fly!"|[[kids' book]] Easter egg [[strongbad_email.exe|DVD version]]|Mirror:sb_jig.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"Ah, the self-proclaimed King of Town. Like you aren't an easy jab for my witty glivers and put-dubs."|[[labor day]] outtake|Mirror:sb_kingmessup.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"Jeez, The Cheat, you can't sneak up on a brotha like that!"|[[privileges]]|Mirror:sb_sneakup.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"Possums!"|[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 3]]|Mirror:sb_possums.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"Why you lazy crap for crap!"|[[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]]|Mirror:sb_crap4crap.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"This is the quote of the day!"|QotW exclusive|Mirror:sb_qod.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"You guys, that was a pretty good one."|QotW exclusive|Mirror:sb_fart.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"Check me out! No, seriously, check me out."|A la [[First Time Here?]]|Mirror:sb_checkme2.mp3}}
*{{qotw|The Strong Bad Show theme song.|QotW exclusive|Mirror:sb_sbshow.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"Okay, now I got to bust a wicked solo. ''{a crappy acoustic guitar solo is played}'' Thank you, goodnight!"|[[vacation]]|Mirror:sb_wickedsolo.mp3}}
*{{qotw|'''Strong Bad:''' "It's that cloc—" '''[[Mike Chapman]]:''' "Sorry."|[[vacation]] outtake|Mirror:sb_clockmessup.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"Pretty impressive, huh? I bet you're pretty impressed."|[[Homestar Quiz]]|Mirror:sb_impressive.mp3}}
*{{qotw|"I am the very strongest. You guys are not very strong."|[[original book]] line|Mirror:sb_strongest.mp3}}
*{{qotw-nd|"Matt Equals MATT!!"|[[50 emails]]}}
|}

== See Also ==
*[[Strong Bad Evolution]]
*[[Strong Bad Other Costumes|Other Costumes]]
*[[Nicknames#Strong Bad|Nicknames]]
*[[Senor Cardgage]]
*[[History according to Strong Bad]]

== External Links ==
*[[HR:vcr_sb.html|watch Strong Bad's character video]]
*[[HR:vcr_sb.swf|view the Flash file for Strong Bad's character video]]
*[[HR:cheatintro.swf|Strong Bad's website]], from [[website]]
*[mailto:strongbad@homestarrunner.com Email Strong Bad]

{{Characters|Strong Bad}}

{{subtitlesLinks|vcr_sb}}

[[Category:Strong Badia]]

Talk:More Like

DAGRON — Tue, 20 May 2008 15:08:14 GMT

DAGRON: /* Specific to Homestar Runner? */ question for defender

{{tobediscussed}}

== Specific to Homestar Runner? ==

My impression is that this is a pretty common phrase, and not really specific to Homestar Runner. Should it have its own page? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:I think the large number of appearances shows it's a favorite comeback of TBC in their work and thus deserves to be documented. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 22:39, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
::A large amount of appearances can also mean that it's a very common expression. I don't think there's anything very unique about saying "more like" at all, since it doesn't have the same running gag factor as [[Crap]] or [[Best/Worst X bucks I ever spent]].-{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 22:50, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I think this is another [[Talk:I'ma|I'ma]]. It's a really common expression and not really that specific to H*R. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:34, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I agree with OptimisticFool. I think this is more of a [[mashing]] type article... sure it's common in certain dialects, but i know that i for one rarely hear the "more like" construct outside of the H*R universe, and that to me it seems to be used more often than normal by strong bad and others. '''keep''' {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:49, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::I agree with Dotcom. It's not really a Homestar specific phrase.-[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 18:37, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::DeF: I hear the "more like" construct frequently outside the H*R BoW. When I get a chance I'll find some examples, unless someone helps me out and does it first. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:14, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I think you missed my point. Yes, it is used outside of the context, but like [[mashing]], it is a dialect thing, one which is more common in southern US apparently... that's all. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:18, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::It ''is'' a dialect thing, but I live in the northern US (Ohio) and I hear it all the time. It's used in the same way as "like" or "yeah" to emphasize something (i.e. "More like, ''you're'' acting like a two-year-old") and isn't specific to H*R. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 23:33, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::More like I've been saying this my whole life. And I'm older than you. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 23:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::I compare this to [[Seriously]] and [[Best/Worst X Ever]]. Common, but TBC use it a lot, lot, lot... and it is therefore worth documenting. '''Keep.''' {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 23:57, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Maybe not directly related to the notability discussion, but what was your evidence that it's specific to the southern US, D? -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 15:08, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

== 2000th Article ==

is '''this''' the 2000th article? {{User:The thing/sig}} 22:06, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:The concept of the 2000th article is enigmatic. Different articles will settle into that role, as old ones are deleted, merged, become redirects, etc., and eventually the dust may settle and people will be so focused on the 3000th article no one will care about the 2000th. Translation: Don't obsess over this. The way articles exist, there will never be one 2000th article. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 23:30, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Talk:More Like

DAGRON — Mon, 19 May 2008 18:37:49 GMT

DAGRON:

Talk:Bears

DAGRON — Mon, 19 May 2008 13:03:42 GMT

DAGRON: not necessarily...

== A Dilemma... ==
Maybe I'm splitting hairs here, but pandas really aren't bears. They're raccoon relatives. Should they stay here on this page? I'll wait for concensus before makin' any removal of their mention, since, after all, ''common'' knowledge is that they're bears. --{{User:Onamuji/sig}} 12:22, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:The "big wiki" says they've been recently reclassified into the bear family (Ursidae) -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 13:03, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

HRWiki talk:Favicon

DAGRON — Sat, 17 May 2008 00:06:05 GMT

DAGRON:

== Background ==

:''This discussion was originally on [[HRWiki talk:Logo redesign 2006]]''
There have been strong objects to using anything a logo that [[:Image:Logo Redesign Official Logo Homestar.png|resembles]] [[:Image:hrwlogoidea-fixed.png|the]] [[:Image:Logo Redesign Old New Star.gif|offical]] [[:Image:logo.png|Homestar Runner site logo]]. Here is a [[:Image:Official_style_logo.png|screen print]] of the QOTW page. You will notice 4 times where we've used the official h*r logo. #'s 2, 3, and 4 can be argued as legit because they do link the official site, but #1 (the icon at the top which also appears in your bookmarks) doesn't have anything to do with the official but our site. I propose that if so many people feel that we shouldn't be using the h*r logo, we also shouldn't be using it in the address bar of the browser. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 14:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:Well, the favicon doesn't stick out as much as the logo, and as you said, the rest are links to the official site. If we adopted the Homestarrunner logo as our logo, I think that that would just be intense copycatting. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 14:38, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
::Although I certainly don't see any reason that, once we get done with this, we don't turn our attention to a new favicon. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 14:44, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Definitely. We already addressed this briefly at the [[HRWiki:Da_Basement/Archive 7#favicon|original discussion]].{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:33, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:What's a favicon? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 23:00, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia:Favicon|favicon]] is what IRF circled a 1) in his screenshot.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:02, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Ah, I see. But that'll probably just change with whatever logo we end up picking, right? What's the use of having a logo and a favicon that look completely different from each other? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 23:11, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
::::I guess that's hard to answer until we've picked one, but the size differences might matter. A favicon has to be able to look good and be recognizable in very small dimensions. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::The favicon has doesn't match our current logo so it doesn't logically follow that it would change too. I think the onyl reason that it would change is all the recent discussion about the official logo. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 04:20, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::It would be, in my opinion, hypocritical not to change the favicon after the discussion about the official logo not being used in the logo. The favicon uses the H*R logo, which, according to many user's opinion's here, would be immoral. If you can't use it in the logo, then you shouldn't be able to associate the official logo with any other part of the Wiki itself, including the favicon. So I think it HAS to be changed if the majority of user's believe you can't use the H*R logo in the Wiki logo. I'd find it hard to argue that point.{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:33, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::So everybody stop talking and make something. It need not match whatever we go with for our big logo. Also, we will use variations of it at the fanstuff and forum, so keep that in mind. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:51, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Idc, I tried for an hour last friday to find the actual graphic for the favicon, so that I could study it in terms of dimensions, pixel size, and how it look when enlarged. If I could find the graphic file, I would be glad to propose favicons. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:43, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::The file is at [http://www.hrwiki.org/favicon.ico favicon.ico] for nearly all websites. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 19:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::The image displayed by most browsers is 16×16 pixels. Ideas do not need to be in any particular format. We'll handle the technical details of converting it and whatnot. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:51, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:Some ideas are as follows. [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/homestar.jpg Homestar's Head] looks nice as an icon. Also, [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/homestar2.jpg With a background color] and [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/starshirtico.jpg starshirt red]. It's rather difficult to accomplish written text in a 16x16 space, these are the most legible and pleasing designs I could come up with.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 05:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
::I like the idea of the favicon matching the logo in style. If we pick either of my two favorite logos, [[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Current_Updated|Current Updated]] or [[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Current_Updated|World]], then I would suggest that we use for the favicon Homestar's head against the blue Kamikaze background or Homestar standing against the globe, respectively (no words in either case). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:46, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Trey I'm not sure that you realize how hard that is to do in 16x16. I'm surprised that we can read hrw in our current favicon. I tried to make a few but even the simple were very non-readable. If we are to make a favicon that matches the logo that will have to be on talented dude or dudett. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 04:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::::Well, I had actually done a couple ''very'' rough mock-ups before I posed the above comment; and while they looked small, those things ''always'' look small, unless you have an exceedingly simple graphic... I hear you though. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::How about just a W a-la Wikipedia, but in the same font of the chosen logo? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::Now that we're zeroing in on the "Current Updated" ideas for the logo, I propose that the favicon be Homestar's torso and head in front of the kamikaze background, like the following one: [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Favicon.png]] (perhaps with some formatting). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:13, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

==Discussion of specific options==

===Current===
[[Image:Current Favicon.png]] {{clear}}
The only problem with this one (to many users) is that it includes the Homesar Runner official logo. (see [[HRWiki talk:Logo redesign 2006#Official Logo with Green Wiki|here]] for a representive snapshot of some objections to this.) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:52, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

===Homestar Head===
[[Image:Homestar Head Favicon.jpg]] {{clear}}

===Homestar Head Blue===
[[Image:Homestar Head Blue Favicon.jpg]] {{clear}}

===Kamikaze===
[[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Favicon.png|Wiki]] [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Red Favicon.png|Forum]] [[Image:Homestar PBTC Favicon.png|Fanstuff]] [[Image:The Homestar Runner Favicon.png|Old]] [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Green Favicon.png|Chat]] (spares: [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Orange Favicon.png|Spare]] [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Purple Favicon.png|Spare]] [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Grey Favicon.png|Spare]] [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Yellow Favicon.png|Spare]]){{clear}}

[[Image:Sample Screenshot with Kamikaze Favicons 1.png|thumb|A FireFox window with several tabs open]]
[[Image:Sample Screenshot with Kamikaze Favicons 2.png|thumb|A Safari window with favicons in a drop-down menu]]

This one was made with the intention of matching the two likely replacements for our current logo: [[:Image:Logo Redesign Current Updated b.gif|Current Updated B]] and [[:Image:Logo Redesign Current Updated c.gif|Current Updated C]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:52, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

:I kind of like this one. And since our logo is definitely going to resemble this anyway, I say we should go for it. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 20:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
::Yeah, I really like this one, it, like Lapper said, it is what the logo is going to look like.--{{User:H*bad/sig}} 20:23, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
:::To be honest, I don't have any problems with our current icon. But if we're going to change, the blue Homestar kamikaze has my vote. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 15:32, 2 December 2006
::::If we were to use this for the regular wiki, then, as the project page indicates, we should change the Fanstuff Wiki and Forum favicons as well. Posted below the heading are analogous favicons that could be used for the Forum and Fanstuff. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::I truly like all of these, but, if we're choosing one of the three for the knowledge base, I'd choose one of the Homestars. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 02:15, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::Is it possible to have a different favicon for the forum and fanstuff? I think that you set one for the entire website and then all of the sub-whatevers get it too. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 02:18, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::It's possible to have different favicons for each '''page'''. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 02:21, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::To clarify, these icons are being presented as a set, not individually. If we don't go with this idea, then anything else we do go with needs to be a set. And yes, as mentioned, we can have different favicons for different subdomains. Oh, and I remembered two other subdomains we have that could be in the set: old.hrwiki.org (perhaps The Homestar Runner against a gray kamakazi background) and chat.hrwiki.org. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::I made up favicons with a few different backgrounds (see above) in case they're wanted for various different subdomains. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 13:33, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::Oh, you said '''The''' Homestar Runner...I'll try that...(see above) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 19:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::Great work Trey, any chance you can do one with an open mouth Homestar? Just interested to see what it would look like that small, I'd rather have the Favicon match the chosen logo if possible (so lets see what both options look like. The only other one I would try if I had the software would be one of these with a W included within the design. All that said, I think the various colors (and The Homestar Runner) all work really well. - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 23:51, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::Sure: [[Image:Homestar Grinning Favicon.png]]. I'm not sure if I like it, for some reason it looks like he's swallowing scorpions or something when it's that small... anyway, thanks for the feedback :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I concur, Last Place *ding* . . . at that size it's not clear enough. Thanks for humoring me, I figured someone sometime would bring it up, so figured I might just as well ask now. - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 13:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Yeah, if the "grinning Homestar" logo is ultimately chosen, then it sure would make sense to have the favicon match that one. Maybe I can try again, this time with less scorpion... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::If you have too much "scorpion" in there, you might as well just pick the one with his mouth closed, seeing as the logo might permanently alternate. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 13:42, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Yeah, I'm waiting to see how the logo discussion turns out before doing anything else. In my opinion, the only reason we'd have to worry about making an open-mouthed favicon is if C alone is chosen (which is a very realistic possibility). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:03, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::I personally don't like either [the open- or closed-mouth choices] as a favicon. I think the favicon could do without the kamikaze background. {{User:Salty/sig}} 04:45, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
[[Image:Favicon background comparison.png]]
:Here's a comparison of different background brightnesses for some proposed favicons. The top row is the B-style, the second row is the C-style, and the third row is the SB-style. The first column matches the background of the proposed logos, and as you move right, the brightness of the background increases. Any preferences? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:30, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
::I like closed-mouth Homestar, second from the left. I like the Strong Bad that's second from the right. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
:::I agree and updated [[:Image:Homestar Kamikaze Favicon.png]] and [[:Image:SB Kamikaze Favicon.png]] accordingly. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:15, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

=== Homestar Mouth Open, No Background ===
[[Image:hrfaviconopen.png]]
I think the favicon would look better without the background. {{User:Salty/sig}} 20:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

:I uploaded a version with the background removed around Homestar's edges — I think this one suffers from the same clarity issues as the open-mouthed favicon above. Also, I think it's good to have a background for Homestar's white head to stand out against in the address bar. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:39, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

===Star Shirt===
[[Image:Star Shirt Favicon.jpg]] {{clear}}

== Other Ideas ==

Like I suggested above, can someone please create a W favicon in the same font as the new logo? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:20, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

== Will It Change? ==

Is this discussion still going on? The logo is now C, but the favicon hasn't changed. Are we still going to change it? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 12:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
:I still think that we should change it to match the new logo — but whether we change will probably depend on other users giving input. If everybody's okay with the status quo, then by default we'll probably just stick with the current favicon. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:32, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
::This thing got like ''no'' publicity ''at all''. Everyone knew about the logo thing because the template came up every time they went to Recent Changes. If we could make this known, maybe more people would give us some input. The only problem is that...aren't we all kind of tired of this? We just had the whole logo discussion and I don't think everyone's up to another big ordeal, though this wouldn't have to be as much of one. Maybe we should just inform the admins and let them decide? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 04:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I think you hit the nail on the head, Brightstar — after the logo redesign and the Halloween and Decemberween skin changes, I think everybody (myself included) had their fill of site design deliberations for a while. Despite this ambivalence, it looks like the above Kamikaze option has about 6 1/2 supporters, 1/2 neutral users, and 1 opponent. Hardly an overwhelming response from all the registered users who would see the favicon, but certainly the majority of those that both were aware of this discussion and cared enough to comment.

So, we could let this discussion fade like [[Talk:Homestar Runner (body of work)#Homestar Runner (What the heck is it?)|others]], but I think it's worth completing for the following reasons: (a) at one point, there were quite a few users who strongly believed that we shouldn't use the official logo as part of our own, (b) it makes sense to have the big logo and favicon match each other, at least in style, and (c) it would be a nice tool to have different icons representing the different subdomains for users who have several tabs open at once.

If we're going to complete the discussion, here are the main questions that I think need to be answered (I'm operating under the assumption that the Kamikaze icon set is the only widely supported option right now):

#How much more awareness of this conversation does the general population need to have before a change is made?
#How many more users' agreement does this decision require before a change is made?

If those two questions are answered and the corresponding quotas satisfied, then I think that all that remains is to make minor tweaks to the proposed set and then implement them. But if there are enough users who are satisfied with the status quo, having that on record would be a fine outcome to this discussion as well. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:37, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
:::I think that some key users, such as the sysops and people at the forum and fanstuff, should absolutely be notified of the issue here as well as most of the general public via a message at the main page. If we changed the favicon and almost nobody knew about it, it would cause an uproar of posts such as, "Wut happend 2 teh thing in duh browzer?!?!!!!111!!one", and we don't want that. As for how many users we need input from, well it certainly needs to be more than eight people, but I'm thinking about twenty or so. That includes the forum and fanstuff. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 17:31, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

== The Other One That Needs To Be Revisited ==

Now that [[HRWiki:Article cleanup]] is rolling and other people are starting to take an interest in it, I think I'll come over here and kickstart ''this'' long-forgotten project. As you guys should know, the favicon (that little picture to the left of the URL in your browser) needs to be changed because of legal reasons (it resembles the H*R official logo too much). This discussion came up during the long and hectic logo redesign period, where it was quickly forgotten. I think we have everything we need to carry this out; all that has to happen is decide whether the choices above are truly the right favicons, inform the people at the forum and fantuff and get their approval, then go for it! What do you say? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 22:09, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
:(Note, it's more of an ethical issue, rather than a legal one. Legally, this wiki doesn't have much of a leg to stand on—we are allowed to operate only at The Brothers Chaps' pleasure.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:25, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*ahem*</nowiki> I knew that... -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 22:49, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

== Should We Deal With This? ==

I guess I've sort of gotten a reputation for not letting projects die. If something fades into the distance, I like to give it a shove into the limelight again, which sometimes [[HRWiki:Article Cleanup|works]] and sometimes [[HRWiki:Spoken Articles|doesn't]]. The underlying themes behind this particular project were to make the favicon look more like the new HRWiki logo (which, at the time, was still in discussion) and to avoid potential lawsuits from using the official H*R logo. The latter hasn't happened, so the only real reason to change the favicon now is to match the new logo. No giant debates are going on, everybody's had a break from Recent Changes overflowing, and I've come back to the wiki one year older and wiser. Changing the favicon would in no way be a huge deal or flood RC, but I wonder: ''Does it matter?'' I know not many users are on the wiki right now and those that are might not care about such a small matter, so I may be talking to the wall. But if it would benefit the wiki to change the favicon, I'd be ready and willing to go through with it. I wouldn't be happy just letting it die. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 22:02, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:Let me try to be civil about this. Currently, I ''am'' talking to the wall. I have waited for four days and have left a note on Dot Com's talk page concerning this matter. Neither of the times have I received a reply. I don't necessarily need to restart this project, all I want to know is if it matters to do so. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 21:11, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
::I think it's fine how it is. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:16, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Interesting. However, the fanstuff wiki and the forum's favicons are the same as ours. It would be easier at least to modify the three so that they are easy to tell from one another when a user has many tabs open or is looking at History in Safari, don't you think? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 23:57, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
::::For what it's worth, I really don't like the current Favicon. But I'm not discouraged that four days hasn't resulted in anything; this just hasn't had enough visibility, maybe. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 00:07, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::I don't like the favicon either. And it seems like repeated posting has been the only way for this page to get noticed so far. This project would benefit from more voices so it doesn't get abandoned again, but how do we know if anyone really cares? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 00:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::It's usually kinda hard to motivate a change in ''status quo'' for a significant change (see my thread at [[History According to Strong Bad]]). But if people care enough, they'll post. Anyway, I'm with DeF here in that I don't see a compelling reason for change. (And fwiw, I like the current icon more than any of the alternatives proposed so far). -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 01:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::In my opinion, the kamikazes are cool...and if we get the HRFWiki, the Forum...etc., to use it, then it'll have a cool "sequence" vibe. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 01:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::People seemed to like the kamikazes when this topic was first brought up. I like them, and since they match the logo in different colors, the three sites could be like Power Rangers or something! ^_^ -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 02:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I would '''support''' a change in favicons, though I am ambivolent whether we do it or not. I'm fine if we do. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:56, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

== Ideas ==

Okay. After waiting for a while and asking people's opinions on IRC, I have a very rough estimate of what to do. First of all, we should change the favicon. It's due for a change because of the new(ish) wiki logo. Also, we don't know when we might get in trouble for using the official logo of the site. The most favored candidates right now are:
*[[Image:Star_Shirt_Favicon.jpg]] '''The Star Shirt.''' Identifiable for a wiki about Homestar Runner, but doesn't look like the logo. It doesn't have to, but we may want the logo and favicon to be similar at least.
*[[Image:Homestar_Kamikaze_Favicon.png]] '''The Kamikaze.''' Looks the most like our new logo, but some complain that Homestar doesn't look good when he's that small.
*[[Image:W-blue.png]] '''The W.''' A simpler picture that looks better when it's small, but it doesn't really say "Homestar Runner Wiki" (at least to me). The font is the same as on Homsar's shirt. 
Please place your comments below. And remember, new suggestions are always welcome! -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 21:56, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:Ok, what I think? We should use '''The W'''. Why? well, like many wikis, we use W to represent that we are an encyclopedic site that use wiki software. The Kamikaze background is the connection to Homestar Runner. The font and color of the W suggest our large logo. If have all the right ingredients, and it looks good in a small size. The two others each lack something I mentioned, mostly, that we are a wiki. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 21:33, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::'''W''' or '''Kamikaze''', preference in that order. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 21:56, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:I prefer '''Kamikaze''', then '''W''''. I wonder if what makes the Kamikaze one look odd is the lack of Homestar's mouth at that scale? I wonder if a few grey pixels would help. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 22:06, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::I'm totally hearting the W. It's simple enough to see at such a small resolution, but it still has to do with Homestar. Also, it looks cool. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 22:11, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I prefer '''Kamikaze''' (I think it's good to have Homestar to make the icon recognizably HSR-themed), but I'd be happy with '''W''' (reminds me of [http://www.wrigley.com/wrigley/products/products_creme_savers.asp Creme Savers] for some reason). I like 'em both though. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:27, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Do you think it would be a good idea to put a template on RC for this in lieu of the logo discussion? After all, it affects the whole wiki and we don't want anyone to be surprised if and when we change it. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 22:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
In response to the call for comment, I'll basically restate what I said above. I like the current icon more than any of the proposed alternatives. I don't think there's any danger of someone mistaking us as having an official connection with HR because of it, nor do I think TBC will suddenly develop a serious grievance with it. To me, the W says "Wilson Sporting Goods" more than it says "Homestar Runner Wiki", the red star is way generic, and the kamikaze homestar doesn't really look good at that size, to me. (Again, just stating my opinions). -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 20:32, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:You have every right to your own opinion, but you don't seem to be taking into account the other reasons why we want to change the favicon. Visually separating the knowledge base, fanstuff, forum, IRC, and old wiki archives from one another would be greatly beneficial to those keeping multiple tabs open in Firefox or looking at History or Bookmarks in any other web browser. Also, we might want to give our wiki a fresh new touch after updating the logo two years ago. Dagron, do you strongly prefer our current logo, or do you just not like the choices we have? If it's the latter, we can still think of more ideas for new favicons other than the ones we have now. In fact, would you like to suggest something yourself? We're always open to new ideas. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 20:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::Oh, but I do use tabbed browsing in Firefox. :P And to answer your question, it's kind of both. I do happen to strongly like the current logo, but I'd be open to another idea if a better one was presented.
::To clarify, I'm not saying there's not merit in visually distinguishing the different branches. And admittedly, as you say, I may be understating that merit, especially since I rarely use the forum/fanstuff wiki. But I just wanted to present an opinion about the actual icons themselves, to consider. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 20:55, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

:::Awesome. So what kind of favicon are you looking for? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 20:59, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>shrug* I dunno. As long as it looks good. I don't really have any suggestions at the moment. I'll give it some thought. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 21:04, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::The trouble I have with the current icon is that, to me, it looks like "some garglemesh and a W". It just ain't good. Yes, the new W has reminded me of the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki_talk%3AFavicon&diff=562030&oldid=562028 Wilson logo], but I have since come around to E.L. Cool's point of view. And it's designed with [[Fonts By Toon|one of the most extenstively fonts]] ([[Fonts#Bauhaus 93|Bauhaus 93]]) on homestarrunner.com which happens to be the same font used in the logo of the hrwiki. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 22:35, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, but similar font =/= instantly recognizable connection. No one unfamiliar with the HRWiki would see the W and connect it to the project. The other one has Homestar in it, at least. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 23:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:PixelKamikaze Favicon.PNG|left|200px]] Yes, it's crappy, but I think it'll work. I don't have Flash w/ me, so I can't resize to a 20x20 or 10x10 or whatever the favicon would need to be, but knowing about pixel art, it doesn't worsen a lot when resized. This might mean Homestar could be less blurry than he is in the other kamikaze favicon. Please don't edit the pic, I'll remake it tomorrow or something when I have access to Flash again (ps. I made the image in paint |:( Blehh!), and I'll be able to make it proportionally and vector-ally (meaning the viewing will hopefully be better when resized to the regular favicon size) correct. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 00:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

:Hm, that's a good idea — when I made the above Kamikaze favicons, I just took large images with normal resolution and shrunk them down. Maybe that's not the best way to do it, though. I'm no [[Videlectrix Guys|good graphicsman]], but here's my attempt at removing some of the blurriness that resulted from my resizing: [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Favicon.png]] [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Favicon less fuzzy.png]] (old/new). Not sure if it makes Homestar any more clear... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:41, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

::That looks prooty good, Trey. It look's WAAAAY more appropriate for the address bar of a champion browser than the first one. Way less fuzzy. Maybe we can try that method with the other Kamikazes. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 00:44, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Sample Screenshot with W Favicons 1.png|thumb]][[Image:Sample Screenshot with W Favicons 2.png|thumb]]
Here are some screenshots of the W in action. It's okay, but it just seems to be missing something. (Even though I made the set of Ws, I never posted them on the talk page until now because they've never quite hit home for me.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC
:The only trouble I have with the "W" is that I don't think it really explains a lot about the wiki and H*R. For instance, the kamikazes have Homestar, Strong Bad, etc...the "star shirt" has an easily recognizable symbol from the H*R universe. The "W", although I disagree with the people who say it looks like the Wilson logo, doesn't symbolize a whole lot besides the "Intro" background. I feel that the favicon should say something 'bout the site it's on. Most sites use their logo (H*R, Doogtoons, Myspace, just to name a few) as their favicon. Since our actual logo is too big, we need to resort to something that fits the site. And I'm not yet convinced the "W" does that. --{{User:DevonM/sig}} 02:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::{Edit conflicts are good when a project needs attention, right?} I wholeheartedly agree with Devon. And seeing as the only complaint for the kamikaze is that it looks fuzzy, if we can tinker with it until it looks good, I think we could have something to agree on. And once again, should we have a template on RC? I don't know if we need one, but it might allow more users to know what's going on. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 02:19, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Can we make non-blurry versions of the other kamikazes? -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 02:25, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I've noticed that the favicon has been switched. Please inform me if this is a test, because permanently changing the favicon before a consensus has been reached is not a good idea. Thanks, -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 01:48, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Not to mention, its the "blurry" kamikaze, not the uh..."less blurry" one. Plus, the favicon's been changed for like, a day now...is it a test? Who changed it? {{User:DevonM/sig}} 01:50, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::I'm guessing Dot Com or another admin, just to try it out, but I don't think testing favicons is right at this stage in the game. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 01:54, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::At some late point in the huge logo discussion, when we narrowed it to 3 or 4 logs, we put the new ones in rotation. I think it switched every hour or so. Like the logo redesign, we at this point have 3 or 4 favicons, so I don't think we need as a lengthy discussion as we had two years ago. Going right to the decision making and evaluating in fine. Now, I don't think it's technically feasible to switch the favicon every hour, (maybe it is, but from what I understand, you need a full browser restart/cache clear/computer reboot to see a new favicon. Or something else that's uncomfortable) so how about we try this one for a couple of days, get feedback and switch to another one?
:::::::At any rate, I would like to see the W used before I decide if the current one looks better or not. (I'm sorry, but the sample images do not reflect my monitor...) {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 08:12, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::That's fine, but just tell us before you test more, okay? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 10:26, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I guess the telling part was not indented for me, as i think Dot com changed it. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 11:34, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
This issue has been open for too long. If we're ever going to do it, we need to just do it. I've started us on a rotating favicon between the Kamikaze Homestar and the Kamikaze W. '''Do not stress about the details.''' We are still tweaking the actual designs, but what we have so far is good enough to get a general idea. We know that we're not going to make 100% of the people 100% happy, so that isn't our goal. The question you need to ask yourself as you look at these two choices is, can I live with this? Does this fit with the overall theme of the wiki? How will it look on the sister sites? Also, all the active Admins have to be convinced it's a good idea to switch. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:17, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
:Kinda goin' off subject here, but I don't really like the PBTC Homestar as much as Strong Bad for the Fanstuff Wiki (that ''is'' what it's for, right?). If we needed them all to be H*Rs, then we should probably change the Fanstuff Wiki's logo to some type of Homestar. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 22:36, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
::You're getting ahead of yourself there. We haven't formally decided to go with the Homestars yet. But yes, if we go with them, then there will be some kind of discussion about what to do with that logo. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:43, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
:::K. Getting back to one of my previous posts, I made a set of these pixel kamikazes (all of the regular ones, excluding the Ol' Timey version) that I think make Homestar a lot more identifiable:
http://devonm.com/unrelatedimages/HRWIKI/hrwiki_favicon_blue.png
http://devonm.com/unrelatedimages/HRWIKI/hrwiki_favicon_red.png
http://devonm.com/unrelatedimages/HRWIKI/hrwiki_favicon_yellow.png
http://devonm.com/unrelatedimages/HRWIKI/hrwiki_favicon_green.png 
{{User:DevonM/sig}} 23:05, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

:I think those look cool! Personally, I think they're a bit cartoony (for lack of a better word) for the favicon — even the one I tried to edit by hand above seems inauthentic, I think — but I really like your graphics styles... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:28, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
::I've already said that the Homestar will be tweaked if we go with it, and not to stress about the details at this point. Focus instead on which of the two designs best fits the wiki. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:58, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
:::When did we decide against the Strong Bad one? Did I miss a discussion? -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 00:06, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

HRWiki talk:Favicon

DAGRON — Fri, 16 May 2008 22:58:46 GMT

DAGRON: add this one back, will comment later

== Background ==

:''This discussion was originally on [[HRWiki talk:Logo redesign 2006]]''
There have been strong objects to using anything a logo that [[:Image:Logo Redesign Official Logo Homestar.png|resembles]] [[:Image:hrwlogoidea-fixed.png|the]] [[:Image:Logo Redesign Old New Star.gif|offical]] [[:Image:logo.png|Homestar Runner site logo]]. Here is a [[:Image:Official_style_logo.png|screen print]] of the QOTW page. You will notice 4 times where we've used the official h*r logo. #'s 2, 3, and 4 can be argued as legit because they do link the official site, but #1 (the icon at the top which also appears in your bookmarks) doesn't have anything to do with the official but our site. I propose that if so many people feel that we shouldn't be using the h*r logo, we also shouldn't be using it in the address bar of the browser. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 14:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:Well, the favicon doesn't stick out as much as the logo, and as you said, the rest are links to the official site. If we adopted the Homestarrunner logo as our logo, I think that that would just be intense copycatting. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 14:38, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
::Although I certainly don't see any reason that, once we get done with this, we don't turn our attention to a new favicon. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 14:44, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Definitely. We already addressed this briefly at the [[HRWiki:Da_Basement/Archive 7#favicon|original discussion]].{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:33, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:What's a favicon? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 23:00, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia:Favicon|favicon]] is what IRF circled a 1) in his screenshot.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:02, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Ah, I see. But that'll probably just change with whatever logo we end up picking, right? What's the use of having a logo and a favicon that look completely different from each other? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 23:11, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
::::I guess that's hard to answer until we've picked one, but the size differences might matter. A favicon has to be able to look good and be recognizable in very small dimensions. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::The favicon has doesn't match our current logo so it doesn't logically follow that it would change too. I think the onyl reason that it would change is all the recent discussion about the official logo. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 04:20, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::It would be, in my opinion, hypocritical not to change the favicon after the discussion about the official logo not being used in the logo. The favicon uses the H*R logo, which, according to many user's opinion's here, would be immoral. If you can't use it in the logo, then you shouldn't be able to associate the official logo with any other part of the Wiki itself, including the favicon. So I think it HAS to be changed if the majority of user's believe you can't use the H*R logo in the Wiki logo. I'd find it hard to argue that point.{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:33, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::So everybody stop talking and make something. It need not match whatever we go with for our big logo. Also, we will use variations of it at the fanstuff and forum, so keep that in mind. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:51, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Idc, I tried for an hour last friday to find the actual graphic for the favicon, so that I could study it in terms of dimensions, pixel size, and how it look when enlarged. If I could find the graphic file, I would be glad to propose favicons. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:43, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::The file is at [http://www.hrwiki.org/favicon.ico favicon.ico] for nearly all websites. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 19:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::The image displayed by most browsers is 16×16 pixels. Ideas do not need to be in any particular format. We'll handle the technical details of converting it and whatnot. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:51, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:Some ideas are as follows. [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/homestar.jpg Homestar's Head] looks nice as an icon. Also, [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/homestar2.jpg With a background color] and [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/starshirtico.jpg starshirt red]. It's rather difficult to accomplish written text in a 16x16 space, these are the most legible and pleasing designs I could come up with.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 05:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
::I like the idea of the favicon matching the logo in style. If we pick either of my two favorite logos, [[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Current_Updated|Current Updated]] or [[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Current_Updated|World]], then I would suggest that we use for the favicon Homestar's head against the blue Kamikaze background or Homestar standing against the globe, respectively (no words in either case). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:46, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Trey I'm not sure that you realize how hard that is to do in 16x16. I'm surprised that we can read hrw in our current favicon. I tried to make a few but even the simple were very non-readable. If we are to make a favicon that matches the logo that will have to be on talented dude or dudett. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 04:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::::Well, I had actually done a couple ''very'' rough mock-ups before I posed the above comment; and while they looked small, those things ''always'' look small, unless you have an exceedingly simple graphic... I hear you though. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::How about just a W a-la Wikipedia, but in the same font of the chosen logo? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::Now that we're zeroing in on the "Current Updated" ideas for the logo, I propose that the favicon be Homestar's torso and head in front of the kamikaze background, like the following one: [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Favicon.png]] (perhaps with some formatting). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:13, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

==Discussion of specific options==

===Current===
[[Image:Current Favicon.png]] {{clear}}
The only problem with this one (to many users) is that it includes the Homesar Runner official logo. (see [[HRWiki talk:Logo redesign 2006#Official Logo with Green Wiki|here]] for a representive snapshot of some objections to this.) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:52, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

===Homestar Head===
[[Image:Homestar Head Favicon.jpg]] {{clear}}

===Homestar Head Blue===
[[Image:Homestar Head Blue Favicon.jpg]] {{clear}}

===Kamikaze===
[[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Favicon.png|Wiki]] [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Red Favicon.png|Forum]] [[Image:Homestar PBTC Favicon.png|Fanstuff]] [[Image:The Homestar Runner Favicon.png|Old]] [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Green Favicon.png|Chat]] (spares: [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Orange Favicon.png|Spare]] [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Purple Favicon.png|Spare]] [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Grey Favicon.png|Spare]] [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Yellow Favicon.png|Spare]] [[Image:SB Kamikaze Favicon.png|Fanstuff]]){{clear}}

[[Image:Sample Screenshot with Kamikaze Favicons 1.png|thumb|A FireFox window with several tabs open]]
[[Image:Sample Screenshot with Kamikaze Favicons 2.png|thumb|A Safari window with favicons in a drop-down menu]]

This one was made with the intention of matching the two likely replacements for our current logo: [[:Image:Logo Redesign Current Updated b.gif|Current Updated B]] and [[:Image:Logo Redesign Current Updated c.gif|Current Updated C]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:52, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

:I kind of like this one. And since our logo is definitely going to resemble this anyway, I say we should go for it. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 20:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
::Yeah, I really like this one, it, like Lapper said, it is what the logo is going to look like.--{{User:H*bad/sig}} 20:23, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
:::To be honest, I don't have any problems with our current icon. But if we're going to change, the blue Homestar kamikaze has my vote. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 15:32, 2 December 2006
::::If we were to use this for the regular wiki, then, as the project page indicates, we should change the Fanstuff Wiki and Forum favicons as well. Posted below the heading are analogous favicons that could be used for the Forum and Fanstuff. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::I truly like all of these, but, if we're choosing one of the three for the knowledge base, I'd choose one of the Homestars. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 02:15, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::Is it possible to have a different favicon for the forum and fanstuff? I think that you set one for the entire website and then all of the sub-whatevers get it too. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 02:18, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::It's possible to have different favicons for each '''page'''. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 02:21, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::To clarify, these icons are being presented as a set, not individually. If we don't go with this idea, then anything else we do go with needs to be a set. And yes, as mentioned, we can have different favicons for different subdomains. Oh, and I remembered two other subdomains we have that could be in the set: old.hrwiki.org (perhaps The Homestar Runner against a gray kamakazi background) and chat.hrwiki.org. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::I made up favicons with a few different backgrounds (see above) in case they're wanted for various different subdomains. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 13:33, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::Oh, you said '''The''' Homestar Runner...I'll try that...(see above) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 19:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::Great work Trey, any chance you can do one with an open mouth Homestar? Just interested to see what it would look like that small, I'd rather have the Favicon match the chosen logo if possible (so lets see what both options look like. The only other one I would try if I had the software would be one of these with a W included within the design. All that said, I think the various colors (and The Homestar Runner) all work really well. - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 23:51, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::Sure: [[Image:Homestar Grinning Favicon.png]]. I'm not sure if I like it, for some reason it looks like he's swallowing scorpions or something when it's that small... anyway, thanks for the feedback :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I concur, Last Place *ding* . . . at that size it's not clear enough. Thanks for humoring me, I figured someone sometime would bring it up, so figured I might just as well ask now. - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 13:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Yeah, if the "grinning Homestar" logo is ultimately chosen, then it sure would make sense to have the favicon match that one. Maybe I can try again, this time with less scorpion... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::If you have too much "scorpion" in there, you might as well just pick the one with his mouth closed, seeing as the logo might permanently alternate. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 13:42, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Yeah, I'm waiting to see how the logo discussion turns out before doing anything else. In my opinion, the only reason we'd have to worry about making an open-mouthed favicon is if C alone is chosen (which is a very realistic possibility). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:03, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::I personally don't like either [the open- or closed-mouth choices] as a favicon. I think the favicon could do without the kamikaze background. {{User:Salty/sig}} 04:45, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
[[Image:Favicon background comparison.png]]
:Here's a comparison of different background brightnesses for some proposed favicons. The top row is the B-style, the second row is the C-style, and the third row is the SB-style. The first column matches the background of the proposed logos, and as you move right, the brightness of the background increases. Any preferences? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:30, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
::I like closed-mouth Homestar, second from the left. I like the Strong Bad that's second from the right. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
:::I agree and updated [[:Image:Homestar Kamikaze Favicon.png]] and [[:Image:SB Kamikaze Favicon.png]] accordingly. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:15, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

=== Homestar Mouth Open, No Background ===
[[Image:hrfaviconopen.png]]
I think the favicon would look better without the background. {{User:Salty/sig}} 20:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

:I uploaded a version with the background removed around Homestar's edges — I think this one suffers from the same clarity issues as the open-mouthed favicon above. Also, I think it's good to have a background for Homestar's white head to stand out against in the address bar. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:39, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

===Star Shirt===
[[Image:Star Shirt Favicon.jpg]] {{clear}}

== Other Ideas ==

Like I suggested above, can someone please create a W favicon in the same font as the new logo? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:20, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

== Will It Change? ==

Is this discussion still going on? The logo is now C, but the favicon hasn't changed. Are we still going to change it? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 12:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
:I still think that we should change it to match the new logo — but whether we change will probably depend on other users giving input. If everybody's okay with the status quo, then by default we'll probably just stick with the current favicon. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:32, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
::This thing got like ''no'' publicity ''at all''. Everyone knew about the logo thing because the template came up every time they went to Recent Changes. If we could make this known, maybe more people would give us some input. The only problem is that...aren't we all kind of tired of this? We just had the whole logo discussion and I don't think everyone's up to another big ordeal, though this wouldn't have to be as much of one. Maybe we should just inform the admins and let them decide? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 04:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I think you hit the nail on the head, Brightstar — after the logo redesign and the Halloween and Decemberween skin changes, I think everybody (myself included) had their fill of site design deliberations for a while. Despite this ambivalence, it looks like the above Kamikaze option has about 6 1/2 supporters, 1/2 neutral users, and 1 opponent. Hardly an overwhelming response from all the registered users who would see the favicon, but certainly the majority of those that both were aware of this discussion and cared enough to comment.

So, we could let this discussion fade like [[Talk:Homestar Runner (body of work)#Homestar Runner (What the heck is it?)|others]], but I think it's worth completing for the following reasons: (a) at one point, there were quite a few users who strongly believed that we shouldn't use the official logo as part of our own, (b) it makes sense to have the big logo and favicon match each other, at least in style, and (c) it would be a nice tool to have different icons representing the different subdomains for users who have several tabs open at once.

If we're going to complete the discussion, here are the main questions that I think need to be answered (I'm operating under the assumption that the Kamikaze icon set is the only widely supported option right now):

#How much more awareness of this conversation does the general population need to have before a change is made?
#How many more users' agreement does this decision require before a change is made?

If those two questions are answered and the corresponding quotas satisfied, then I think that all that remains is to make minor tweaks to the proposed set and then implement them. But if there are enough users who are satisfied with the status quo, having that on record would be a fine outcome to this discussion as well. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:37, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
:::I think that some key users, such as the sysops and people at the forum and fanstuff, should absolutely be notified of the issue here as well as most of the general public via a message at the main page. If we changed the favicon and almost nobody knew about it, it would cause an uproar of posts such as, "Wut happend 2 teh thing in duh browzer?!?!!!!111!!one", and we don't want that. As for how many users we need input from, well it certainly needs to be more than eight people, but I'm thinking about twenty or so. That includes the forum and fanstuff. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 17:31, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

== The Other One That Needs To Be Revisited ==

Now that [[HRWiki:Article cleanup]] is rolling and other people are starting to take an interest in it, I think I'll come over here and kickstart ''this'' long-forgotten project. As you guys should know, the favicon (that little picture to the left of the URL in your browser) needs to be changed because of legal reasons (it resembles the H*R official logo too much). This discussion came up during the long and hectic logo redesign period, where it was quickly forgotten. I think we have everything we need to carry this out; all that has to happen is decide whether the choices above are truly the right favicons, inform the people at the forum and fantuff and get their approval, then go for it! What do you say? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 22:09, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
:(Note, it's more of an ethical issue, rather than a legal one. Legally, this wiki doesn't have much of a leg to stand on—we are allowed to operate only at The Brothers Chaps' pleasure.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:25, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*ahem*</nowiki> I knew that... -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 22:49, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

== Should We Deal With This? ==

I guess I've sort of gotten a reputation for not letting projects die. If something fades into the distance, I like to give it a shove into the limelight again, which sometimes [[HRWiki:Article Cleanup|works]] and sometimes [[HRWiki:Spoken Articles|doesn't]]. The underlying themes behind this particular project were to make the favicon look more like the new HRWiki logo (which, at the time, was still in discussion) and to avoid potential lawsuits from using the official H*R logo. The latter hasn't happened, so the only real reason to change the favicon now is to match the new logo. No giant debates are going on, everybody's had a break from Recent Changes overflowing, and I've come back to the wiki one year older and wiser. Changing the favicon would in no way be a huge deal or flood RC, but I wonder: ''Does it matter?'' I know not many users are on the wiki right now and those that are might not care about such a small matter, so I may be talking to the wall. But if it would benefit the wiki to change the favicon, I'd be ready and willing to go through with it. I wouldn't be happy just letting it die. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 22:02, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:Let me try to be civil about this. Currently, I ''am'' talking to the wall. I have waited for four days and have left a note on Dot Com's talk page concerning this matter. Neither of the times have I received a reply. I don't necessarily need to restart this project, all I want to know is if it matters to do so. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 21:11, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
::I think it's fine how it is. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:16, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Interesting. However, the fanstuff wiki and the forum's favicons are the same as ours. It would be easier at least to modify the three so that they are easy to tell from one another when a user has many tabs open or is looking at History in Safari, don't you think? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 23:57, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
::::For what it's worth, I really don't like the current Favicon. But I'm not discouraged that four days hasn't resulted in anything; this just hasn't had enough visibility, maybe. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 00:07, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::I don't like the favicon either. And it seems like repeated posting has been the only way for this page to get noticed so far. This project would benefit from more voices so it doesn't get abandoned again, but how do we know if anyone really cares? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 00:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::It's usually kinda hard to motivate a change in ''status quo'' for a significant change (see my thread at [[History According to Strong Bad]]). But if people care enough, they'll post. Anyway, I'm with DeF here in that I don't see a compelling reason for change. (And fwiw, I like the current icon more than any of the alternatives proposed so far). -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 01:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::In my opinion, the kamikazes are cool...and if we get the HRFWiki, the Forum...etc., to use it, then it'll have a cool "sequence" vibe. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 01:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::People seemed to like the kamikazes when this topic was first brought up. I like them, and since they match the logo in different colors, the three sites could be like Power Rangers or something! ^_^ -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 02:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I would '''support''' a change in favicons, though I am ambivolent whether we do it or not. I'm fine if we do. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:56, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

== Ideas ==

Okay. After waiting for a while and asking people's opinions on IRC, I have a very rough estimate of what to do. First of all, we should change the favicon. It's due for a change because of the new(ish) wiki logo. Also, we don't know when we might get in trouble for using the official logo of the site. The most favored candidates right now are:
*[[Image:Star_Shirt_Favicon.jpg]] '''The Star Shirt.''' Identifiable for a wiki about Homestar Runner, but doesn't look like the logo. It doesn't have to, but we may want the logo and favicon to be similar at least.
*[[Image:Homestar_Kamikaze_Favicon.png]] '''The Kamikaze.''' Looks the most like our new logo, but some complain that Homestar doesn't look good when he's that small.
*[[Image:W-blue.png]] '''The W.''' A simpler picture that looks better when it's small, but it doesn't really say "Homestar Runner Wiki" (at least to me). The font is the same as on Homsar's shirt. 
Please place your comments below. And remember, new suggestions are always welcome! -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 21:56, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:Ok, what I think? We should use '''The W'''. Why? well, like many wikis, we use W to represent that we are an encyclopedic site that use wiki software. The Kamikaze background is the connection to Homestar Runner. The font and color of the W suggest our large logo. If have all the right ingredients, and it looks good in a small size. The two others each lack something I mentioned, mostly, that we are a wiki. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 21:33, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::'''W''' or '''Kamikaze''', preference in that order. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 21:56, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:I prefer '''Kamikaze''', then '''W''''. I wonder if what makes the Kamikaze one look odd is the lack of Homestar's mouth at that scale? I wonder if a few grey pixels would help. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 22:06, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::I'm totally hearting the W. It's simple enough to see at such a small resolution, but it still has to do with Homestar. Also, it looks cool. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 22:11, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I prefer '''Kamikaze''' (I think it's good to have Homestar to make the icon recognizably HSR-themed), but I'd be happy with '''W''' (reminds me of [http://www.wrigley.com/wrigley/products/products_creme_savers.asp Creme Savers] for some reason). I like 'em both though. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:27, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Do you think it would be a good idea to put a template on RC for this in lieu of the logo discussion? After all, it affects the whole wiki and we don't want anyone to be surprised if and when we change it. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 22:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
In response to the call for comment, I'll basically restate what I said above. I like the current icon more than any of the proposed alternatives. I don't think there's any danger of someone mistaking us as having an official connection with HR because of it, nor do I think TBC will suddenly develop a serious grievance with it. To me, the W says "Wilson Sporting Goods" more than it says "Homestar Runner Wiki", the red star is way generic, and the kamikaze homestar doesn't really look good at that size, to me. (Again, just stating my opinions). -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 20:32, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:You have every right to your own opinion, but you don't seem to be taking into account the other reasons why we want to change the favicon. Visually separating the knowledge base, fanstuff, forum, IRC, and old wiki archives from one another would be greatly beneficial to those keeping multiple tabs open in Firefox or looking at History or Bookmarks in any other web browser. Also, we might want to give our wiki a fresh new touch after updating the logo two years ago. Dagron, do you strongly prefer our current logo, or do you just not like the choices we have? If it's the latter, we can still think of more ideas for new favicons other than the ones we have now. In fact, would you like to suggest something yourself? We're always open to new ideas. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 20:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::Oh, but I do use tabbed browsing in Firefox. :P And to answer your question, it's kind of both. I do happen to strongly like the current logo, but I'd be open to another idea if a better one was presented.
::To clarify, I'm not saying there's not merit in visually distinguishing the different branches. And admittedly, as you say, I may be understating that merit, especially since I rarely use the forum/fanstuff wiki. But I just wanted to present an opinion about the actual icons themselves, to consider. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 20:55, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

:::Awesome. So what kind of favicon are you looking for? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 20:59, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>shrug* I dunno. As long as it looks good. I don't really have any suggestions at the moment. I'll give it some thought. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 21:04, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::The trouble I have with the current icon is that, to me, it looks like "some garglemesh and a W". It just ain't good. Yes, the new W has reminded me of the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki_talk%3AFavicon&diff=562030&oldid=562028 Wilson logo], but I have since come around to E.L. Cool's point of view. And it's designed with [[Fonts By Toon|one of the most extenstively fonts]] ([[Fonts#Bauhaus 93|Bauhaus 93]]) on homestarrunner.com which happens to be the same font used in the logo of the hrwiki. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 22:35, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, but similar font =/= instantly recognizable connection. No one unfamiliar with the HRWiki would see the W and connect it to the project. The other one has Homestar in it, at least. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 23:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:PixelKamikaze Favicon.PNG|left|200px]] Yes, it's crappy, but I think it'll work. I don't have Flash w/ me, so I can't resize to a 20x20 or 10x10 or whatever the favicon would need to be, but knowing about pixel art, it doesn't worsen a lot when resized. This might mean Homestar could be less blurry than he is in the other kamikaze favicon. Please don't edit the pic, I'll remake it tomorrow or something when I have access to Flash again (ps. I made the image in paint |:( Blehh!), and I'll be able to make it proportionally and vector-ally (meaning the viewing will hopefully be better when resized to the regular favicon size) correct. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 00:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

:Hm, that's a good idea — when I made the above Kamikaze favicons, I just took large images with normal resolution and shrunk them down. Maybe that's not the best way to do it, though. I'm no [[Videlectrix Guys|good graphicsman]], but here's my attempt at removing some of the blurriness that resulted from my resizing: [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Favicon.png]] [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Favicon less fuzzy.png]] (old/new). Not sure if it makes Homestar any more clear... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:41, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

::That looks prooty good, Trey. It look's WAAAAY more appropriate for the address bar of a champion browser than the first one. Way less fuzzy. Maybe we can try that method with the other Kamikazes. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 00:44, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Sample Screenshot with W Favicons 1.png|thumb]][[Image:Sample Screenshot with W Favicons 2.png|thumb]]
Here are some screenshots of the W in action. It's okay, but it just seems to be missing something. (Even though I made the set of Ws, I never posted them on the talk page until now because they've never quite hit home for me.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC
:The only trouble I have with the "W" is that I don't think it really explains a lot about the wiki and H*R. For instance, the kamikazes have Homestar, Strong Bad, etc...the "star shirt" has an easily recognizable symbol from the H*R universe. The "W", although I disagree with the people who say it looks like the Wilson logo, doesn't symbolize a whole lot besides the "Intro" background. I feel that the favicon should say something 'bout the site it's on. Most sites use their logo (H*R, Doogtoons, Myspace, just to name a few) as their favicon. Since our actual logo is too big, we need to resort to something that fits the site. And I'm not yet convinced the "W" does that. --{{User:DevonM/sig}} 02:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::{Edit conflicts are good when a project needs attention, right?} I wholeheartedly agree with Devon. And seeing as the only complaint for the kamikaze is that it looks fuzzy, if we can tinker with it until it looks good, I think we could have something to agree on. And once again, should we have a template on RC? I don't know if we need one, but it might allow more users to know what's going on. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 02:19, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Can we make non-blurry versions of the other kamikazes? -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 02:25, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::::I've noticed that the favicon has been switched. Please inform me if this is a test, because permanently changing the favicon before a consensus has been reached is not a good idea. Thanks, -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 01:48, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Not to mention, its the "blurry" kamikaze, not the uh..."less blurry" one. Plus, the favicon's been changed for like, a day now...is it a test? Who changed it? {{User:DevonM/sig}} 01:50, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::I'm guessing Dot Com or another admin, just to try it out, but I don't think testing favicons is right at this stage in the game. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 01:54, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::At some late point in the huge logo discussion, when we narrowed it to 3 or 4 logs, we put the new ones in rotation. I think it switched every hour or so. Like the logo redesign, we at this point have 3 or 4 favicons, so I don't think we need as a lengthy discussion as we had two years ago. Going right to the decision making and evaluating in fine. Now, I don't think it's technically feasible to switch the favicon every hour, (maybe it is, but from what I understand, you need a full browser restart/cache clear/computer reboot to see a new favicon. Or something else that's uncomfortable) so how about we try this one for a couple of days, get feedback and switch to another one?
:::::::At any rate, I would like to see the W used before I decide if the current one looks better or not. (I'm sorry, but the sample images do not reflect my monitor...) {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 08:12, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::That's fine, but just tell us before you test more, okay? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 10:26, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I guess the telling part was not indented for me, as i think Dot com changed it. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 11:34, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
This issue has been open for too long. If we're ever going to do it, we need to just do it. I've started us on a rotating favicon between the Kamikaze Homestar and the Kamikaze W. '''Do not stress about the details.''' We are still tweaking the actual designs, but what we have so far is good enough to get a general idea. We know that we're not going to make 100% of the people 100% happy, so that isn't our goal. The question you need to ask yourself as you look at these two choices is, can I live with this? Does this fit with the overall theme of the wiki? How will it look on the sister sites? Also, all the active Admins have to be convinced it's a good idea to switch. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:17, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
:Kinda goin' off subject here, but I don't really like the PBTC Homestar as much as Strong Bad for the Fanstuff Wiki (that ''is'' what it's for, right?). If we needed them all to be H*Rs, then we should probably change the Fanstuff Wiki's logo to some type of Homestar. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 22:36, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
::You're getting ahead of yourself there. We haven't formally decided to go with the Homestars yet. But yes, if we go with them, then there will be some kind of discussion about what to do with that logo. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:43, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

HRWiki:Favicon

DAGRON — Fri, 16 May 2008 22:55:14 GMT

DAGRON: no spaces

During the [[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006|2006 Logo redesign]] discussion, some users brought up the possibility of changing the [[Wikipedia:Favicon|favicon]] (the image in the address bar of web browsers). The main reason for this was that objections were brought up against using the Homestar Runner official logo in our logo, which our current favicon employs.

While this decision need not be as big a project as the logo redesign, it would be good to propose a few options, discuss them, and choose a replacement for our current favicon unless we deem it acceptable.

'''NOTE: For anyone submitting an idea:''' The favicon is used on not only the knowledge base but also the forum and the fanstuff. If we change the favicon, whatever we choose must be appropriate for those sites as well. Ideally, an idea would be able to be subtlely tweaked to fit the three sites while still looking similar between the three. (For example, if we kept our current favicon, one idea is to change the W to FM and FS on the forum and fanstuff, respectively.) That way, when lots of tabs are open, it's easy to distinguish between the various sites.

{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! width="40" | KB !! width="40" | FM !! width="40" | FS !! width="40" | OLD !! width="40" | IRC !! Name !! Description
|-
| <center>[[Image:Current Favicon.png]]</center>
|
| || || || [[HRWiki talk:Favicon#Current|Current]] || The current favicon: the letter "W" for "Wiki" in front of the Homestar Runner official logo
|-
| <center>[[Image:Homestar Head Favicon.jpg]]</center>
|
| || || || [[HRWiki talk:Favicon#Homestar Head|Homestar Head]] || [[Homestar Runner]]'s head
|-
| <center>[[Image:Homestar Head Blue Favicon.jpg]]</center>
|
| || || || [[HRWiki talk:Favicon#Homestar Head Blue|Homestar Head Blue]] || [[Homestar Runner]]'s head in front of a sky blue background
|-
| <center>[[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Favicon.png]]</center>
| <center>[[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Red Favicon.png]]</center>
| <center>[[Image:SB Kamikaze Favicon.png]]/[[Image:Homestar PBTC Favicon.png]]</center>
| <center>[[Image:The Homestar Runner Favicon.png]]</center>
| <center>[[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Green Favicon.png]]</center> || [[HRWiki talk:Favicon#Kamikaze|Kamikaze]] || [[Homestar Runner]] / [[Strong Bad]] in front of the background from [[Intro]]
|-
| <center>[[Image:Star Shirt Favicon.jpg]]</center>
|
| || || || [[HRWiki talk:Favicon#Star Shirt|Star Shirt]] || [[Homestar Runner]]'s star shirt
|-
| <center>[[Image:W-blue.png]]</center>
| <center>[[Image:W-red.png]]</center>
| <center>[[Image:W-yellow.png]]</center>
| <center>[[Image:W-gray.png]]</center>
| <center>[[Image:W-green.png]]</center> || Wiki "W" || Wiki "W" on Kamikaze field
|}

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HRWiki:Favicon

DAGRON — Fri, 16 May 2008 22:54:52 GMT

DAGRON: I think this might be appropriate at this point...

During the [[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006|2006 Logo redesign]] discussion, some users brought up the possibility of changing the [[Wikipedia:Favicon|favicon]] (the image in the address bar of web browsers). The main reason for this was that objections were brought up against using the Homestar Runner official logo in our logo, which our current favicon employs.

While this decision need not be as big a project as the logo redesign, it would be good to propose a few options, discuss them, and choose a replacement for our current favicon unless we deem it acceptable.

'''NOTE: For anyone submitting an idea:''' The favicon is used on not only the knowledge base but also the forum and the fanstuff. If we change the favicon, whatever we choose must be appropriate for those sites as well. Ideally, an idea would be able to be subtlely tweaked to fit the three sites while still looking similar between the three. (For example, if we kept our current favicon, one idea is to change the W to FM and FS on the forum and fanstuff, respectively.) That way, when lots of tabs are open, it's easy to distinguish between the various sites.

{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! width="40" | KB !! width="40" | FM !! width="40" | FS !! width="40" | OLD !! width="40" | IRC !! Name !! Description
|-
| <center>[[Image:Current Favicon.png]]</center>
|
| || || || [[HRWiki talk:Favicon#Current|Current]] || The current favicon: the letter "W" for "Wiki" in front of the Homestar Runner official logo
|-
| <center>[[Image:Homestar Head Favicon.jpg]]</center>
|
| || || || [[HRWiki talk:Favicon#Homestar Head|Homestar Head]] || [[Homestar Runner]]'s head
|-
| <center>[[Image:Homestar Head Blue Favicon.jpg]]</center>
|
| || || || [[HRWiki talk:Favicon#Homestar Head Blue|Homestar Head Blue]] || [[Homestar Runner]]'s head in front of a sky blue background
|-
| <center>[[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Favicon.png]]</center>
| <center>[[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Red Favicon.png]]</center>
| <center>[[Image:SB Kamikaze Favicon.png]] / [[Image:Homestar PBTC Favicon.png]]</center>
| <center>[[Image:The Homestar Runner Favicon.png]]</center>
| <center>[[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Green Favicon.png]]</center> || [[HRWiki talk:Favicon#Kamikaze|Kamikaze]] || [[Homestar Runner]] / [[Strong Bad]] in front of the background from [[Intro]]
|-
| <center>[[Image:Star Shirt Favicon.jpg]]</center>
|
| || || || [[HRWiki talk:Favicon#Star Shirt|Star Shirt]] || [[Homestar Runner]]'s star shirt
|-
| <center>[[Image:W-blue.png]]</center>
| <center>[[Image:W-red.png]]</center>
| <center>[[Image:W-yellow.png]]</center>
| <center>[[Image:W-gray.png]]</center>
| <center>[[Image:W-green.png]]</center> || Wiki "W" || Wiki "W" on Kamikaze field
|}

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Talk:SBCG4AP Dev Blog

DAGRON — Fri, 16 May 2008 21:37:57 GMT

DAGRON: /* Just wondering... */

== Scope ==

So, I'm not sure how in-depth we should go on this page. I don't think it makes sense to transcribe all the blog entries — there's no reason to completely substitute the material people can go to the telltale.com page to view. I think giving a summary of each entry with an image, title, etc. would be good, and we can note any inside references, RWRs, etc. in the Fun Facts section. I dunno, maybe this page can be presented in a better way, but I've gotten it started.

On the other hand, I don't know if the Telltale page is going to be around permanently, so it wouldn't be a bad idea to have the transcripts backed up on somebody's computer... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:33, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

:Oh, one more thing: in case anybody's wondering, this ''is'' being written by TBC [http://telltalegames.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4986]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:34, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

:Way ahead of you on the backup thing. I've currently got backed-up transcripts as well as all the images (since's there's currently one not on the wiki page). --[[User:BiggerJ|BiggerJ]] 08:46, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

::Great! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 09:04, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I agree: as long as the site is up, keep it very brief (we don't transcribe [[Strong Sad's Lament]], and I think this would fall much of the same category). But if/when the Telltale site misappears, I think transcription would be more okay. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 09:18, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

::::Thanks for putting 'if' first! ;) --[[User:Tabacco|Tabacco]] 04:14, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

== Opera ==

In my install of Opera, I cannot scroll all the way through both entries - I can only read down to "They scoffed at the genre-bender "Strong Bad:" and that's as far down as it goes. Anyone else experience this? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:56, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

:That happened to me once in Firefox, but refreshing the page fixed it... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:01, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:It's a known bug and the programmer who made that page is on vacation. It will be fixed hopefully tomorrow when he returns! Thanks for the heads up [[User:TTGJake|TTGJake]] 04:10, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

== Sell it to the Glue Factory! ==

Any relation to Old Timey SB's claim of selling Sam to the Glue Factory? And if so, should it be noted? --[[User:71.121.142.173|71.121.142.173]] 02:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
:Doubt it. It's a common, old stereotype/expression. [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 03:34, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

== Code blue! ==

Is Strong Sad "operating his own dang self" a plausible reference to [[Wikipedia:Trauma Center: Second Opinion|Trauma Center: Second Opinion]]? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 18:16, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
:I must say that I immediately thought of the Trauma Center games when I saw that screenshot.. but it could well be too generic. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 18:36, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

== "See also" relevant? ==

i don't see why we need a see also to strong sad's lament. Just a [[:Category:Blogs]] would do fine
:It is relevant because it another externally linked "blog" written by a character. As there are only two at this time, creation of a category would be excessive. If there another such blog created, then we consider the category creation at the time. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 20:58, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

== Just wondering... ==

Umm... does anybody really understand the point of the latest blog entry? I mean don't get me wrong it's hilarious and I'm laughing just remembering it, but seriously, what the heck? It was just so random. Does anyone get what the point was supposed to be? Was it just to hold us over until Monday? --[[User:Acam30|Acam30]] 02:12, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
:So, the summary I put up for the current entry was kinda tongue-in-cheek. I was expecting someone to expand it, but since no one has, are we satisfied with it? -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 21:37, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Sketchbook

DAGRON — Fri, 16 May 2008 20:45:46 GMT

DAGRON: Are you sure he's smiling?

{{about|weekly Sketchbook featured on the [[Main Pages]]}} {{for|sketchbook in the [[Museum]]|Sketchbook (museum)}} {{for|[[strongbad_email.exe Disc Three]] bonus video|Sketchbook (video)}}

{{Sketchbook}}
The '''Sketchbook''' is a collection of conceptual art and sketches by [[The Brothers Chaps]]. These are found by clicking on the ''S'' at the top of the [[Main Pages]], and are generally updated on Thursdays. Here is a list of all the sketches from {{CURRENTYEAR}}.

''As of November 22, 2004, the [[HR:weeklies/sketchbook_pic.jpg|image]] and [[HR:weeklies/weeklies.xml|text]] are no longer part of the [[HR:sketchbook.swf|Flash file]].''
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{| width="100%" border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! width="200px"| Image !! width="15%" | Date !! Caption !! Description

|-id="SK-2008-05-16"
|[[Image:SK-2008-05-16.PNG|200px|diaper biscuits!!]] || 16 May 2008 || diaper biscuits!! || A sketch of [[Reynold]], who is very surprised, and [[Gunhaver]] who is holding some [[Shopping for Danger|fiscal reports]] and a [[Guns|gun]].

|-id="SK-2008-05-08"
|[[Image:SK-2008-05-08.png|200px|you take the big guy]] || 08 May 2008 || You take the big guy || [[Strong Bad]] and [[Homestar Runner]] as [[Dangeresque (character)|Dangeresque]] (wielding his [[Strong Bad's Nunchucks|nunchuck]] [[gun]]) and [[Dangeresque Too]], in a scene from the digitally remastered director's cut of: Dangeresque 1: Dangeresque, too? from the email [[dangeresque 3]].

|-id="SK-2008-05-02"
|[[Image:Sketchbook05022008.png|200px|matt aseep on plane]] || 02 May 2008 || matt aseep on plane || A sketch of [[Matt Chapman|Matt]] sleeping on a plane.

|-id="SK-2008-04-24"
|[[Image:SK-2008-04-24.PNG|200px|plucky parameciums]] || 24 Apr 2008 || plucky parameciums || Concept art of Homestar and Strong Bad as parameciums from [[highschool]].

|-id="SK-2008-04-17"
|[[Image:SK-2008-04-17.png|200px|proposed stinkoman level 10 baddies]] || 17 Apr 2008 || proposed stinkoman level 10 baddies || Sketches of possible enemies from Level 10 of [[Stinkoman 20X6]].

|-id="SK-2008-03-29"
|[[Image:Sketchbook_2008-03-29.png|200px|rejected commandos?]] || 29 Mar 2008 || rejected commandos? || Four [[Cheat Commandos]]-like The Cheat sketches. In the top left, a Cheat with scars, a leather jacket, a chain sash and a mohawk. In the top right, a Cheat wearing a [[Wikipedia:Pickelhaube|Pickelhaube]] and a shirt reading [[Bad Guy]]. In the bottom left, a Cheat with a clown wig, a bandolier of grenades, and a gun. In the bottom right, a Cheat with chest hair, earmuffs, a goatee and a [[big knife]].

|-id="SK-2008-03-20"
|[[Image:Sketchbook32008.PNG|200px|cakemonger!]] || 20 Mar 2008 || cakemonger! || A sketch of [[The Cheat]] as Saberlord's Scritchascratch Cakemonger The Cheat from [[pet show]].

|-id="SK-2008-03-13"
|[[Image:Sketchbook 03-13-2008.png|200px|awesome indeed]] || 13 Mar 2008 || awesome indeed || A bizarre drawing of Strong Bad (with small eyes, visible nose and teeth, and freckles) yelling with his hands in his pockets, a tongue, a dollar, and the word "Awesome".

|-id="SK-2008-03-07"
|[[Image:Sketchbook 03-07-2008.png|200px|best bubs worst bubs]] || 07 Mar 2008 || best bubs worst bubs || A drawing of a shriveled-up [[Bubs]] next to a normal-looking Bubs with large bulbous arms. The thin Bubs has [[lack of visible body parts|visible fingers and toes]]. Also, it is holding a bottle with a straw and lacks Bubs's characteristic body delineations.

|-id="SK-2008-02-28"
|[[Image:Sketchbook 02-28-2008.png|200px|puddin patch friends]] || 28 Feb 2008 || puddin patch friends || A sketch of possible trademarked characters for [[Papa Cardgage's Puddin' Patch]], including a stylized [[Strong Bad]] (holding a can in his right hand) with a fingered glove on his left hand, [[Wikipedia:Dora the Explorer|Dora the Explorer]], and [[Rejected Characters#Homeschool Winner|Homeschool Winner]] (holding a [[calculator]]). The title refers to [[Wikipedia:Cabbage Patch Kids|Cabbage Patch Kids]].

|-id="SK-2008-02-14"
|[[Image: SK2008-02-14.png|200px|the cheat relatives?]] || 14 Feb 2008 || the cheat relatives? || A sketch showing [[The Cheat]], The Embezzlement, and The Counter Feit. Inspired by that week's [[Weekly Fanstuff 2008#WF-2008-02-14|Weekly Fanstuff]].

|-id="SK-2008-02-07"
|[[Image:Sketchbook 2-7-08.png|200px|questionable body hair]] || 07 Feb 2008 || questionable body hair || A hairy version of [[Strong Mad]].

|-id="SK-2008-01-31"
|[[Image:Sketchbook 1-31-08.png|200px|gel-arshie]] || 31 Jan 2008 || gel-arshie || A sketch of [[Fluffy Puff Mascots#Gel-arshie|Gel-arshie]] from [[winter pool]].

|-id="SK-2008-01-24"
|[[Image:Sketchbook 1-24-08.png|200px|buck webb & lady fan]] || 24 Jan 2008 || buck webb & lady fan || Sketches of the "[[Buck Webb, Extraordinaire]]" comic that appeared in [[lady fan]].

|-id="SK-2008-01-17"
|[[Image:Sketchbook 1-17-08.png|200px|make sense time!]] || 17 Jan 2008 || make sense time! || A picture of [[Homestar Runner]] as [[Teeg Dougland]]'s hands (or possibly Teeg as Homestar's leg), as well as a sketch of Homestar running underwater with fish. Teeg has the word "POOH" on his shirt.

|-id="SK-2008-01-10"
|[[Image:Sketchbook 1-10-08.png|200px|d'th'ween thupreme]] || 10 Jan 2008 || d'th'ween thupreme || [[Decemberween|Decemberween'd]] version of the [[Thnikkaman]] as a giant (a la [[King Bubsgonzola Supreme]]).

|}

==Fun Facts==
* The font used in the captions is [[Fonts#Bauhaus 93|Bauhaus 93]].
* Sketchbook entries often feature ideas considered for or used in toons that had been recently released.
* If you click the "s" button repeatedly while it is still loading, the caption will move up the box. The more times you click it, the farther the text will move.
* Until August 9, 2007, the Sketchbook of June 21, 2007 had not been updated for seven weeks, the longest hiatus between pop-up updates on record.

==See Also==
*[[Sketchbook (museum)]]
*[[Sketchbook (video)]]
*[[Secret_Pages_XML_Source#Weeklies_XML_File|Secret Pages XML Source]]

==External Links==
*Click on the S on any [[HR:{{randommainpage}}.html|main page]] to see the most recent sketch.
*[[HR:sketchbook.swf|view the Flash file for the current sketchbook]]
[[Category: Regular Updates]]
{{H*RNav}}

Fourth Wall Breaks

DAGRON — Fri, 16 May 2008 17:31:12 GMT

DAGRON: /* Strong Bad Emails */ is this notable? it's probably poorly worded.

{{cleanup|Actually Fourth Wall Breaks?}}[[Image:Literal4thwallbreak.PNG|thumb|Literally breaking the fourth wall.]]

Sometimes, the [[characters]] '''break the [[Wikipedia:Fourth wall|fourth wall]]''' by displaying awareness that they are in an Internet cartoon.

Fourth wall breakages are common in [[Strong Bad Email]]s; Strong Bad often addresses the viewers, and references to his "email show" are made. Some of these supposed "fourth wall breaks" may be explained by assuming that Strong Bad has a live [[Wikipedia:webcam|webcam]] show in which he answers e-mails, or that he is talking to an imaginary audience, but in other instances the characters actually refer to the fact that they are in cartoons, which is a real fourth wall break. Excluding Strong Bad Emails that involve a character addressing the viewers, here is a list of fourth wall breakages in the toons.

== Fourth Wall Breakages ==

=== Big Toons ===

*[[DNA Evidence]]: Homestar does a voiceover for the "previously on homestarrunner.com" part.
*[[Weclome Back]]: All of the characters punch in on a time clock after returning from vacation. Marzipan wonders whether anyone has been "taking care of the website." Homestar Runner says "It's time to get this www-dot-show back on the road-dot-com."
*[[Shopping for Danger]]: [[Silent Rip]] informs [[Gunhaver]] the "Cheat Commandos Headquarters playset is under attack". At the end, Gunhaver screams, "Next episode, [[Blue Laser]]! Next episode!"
*[[Where's The Cheat?]]: While reassuring Strong Mad, Strong Bad says "Don't worry, big guy. We'll cut to a montage. I mean, find The Cheat."
*[[In Search of the Yello Dello Old Version]]: The TV announcer says that [[the Yello Dello]] is "the most rare and beautiful bird in this entire cartoon." (In the [[In Search of the Yello Dello New Version|New Version]], the announcer is a narrator for the whole toon instead of a TV announcer living in the Homestar universe)

=== Shorts ===

*[[One Two, One Two]]: [[Homsar]]'s [[bowler hat]] bounces off the edge of the screen when he is singing.
*[[No Hands On Deck!]]: Homestar says, "I'd better get back to work if I'm gonna build a deck in this cartoon!"
*[[Sbemail 150?!?]]: The [[Female Lappy 486]] is startled by our arrival and tells us Strong Bad "is understairs. Tell whim I love..." Strong Sad has prepared storyboards to help Strong Bad with the email.
*[[Commandos in the Classroom]]: Gunhaver mentions that "[[Buy All Our Playsets and Toys!!|buying all our playsets and toys]]" is a positive thing.
*[[Cheat Commandos (toon)|Cheat Commandos]]: Gunhaver breaks the fourth wall ''within'' the [[Homestar Runner universe]] itself by saying, "Quick, everyone! To the Action Figure Storage Vehicle!"
*[[The System is Down]]: There are references to both the [[Error Page]] and [[homestarrunner.com]] being down.

=== Holiday Toons ===

*[[Trogday 08]]: Strong Bad scolds "you internet [[type]]s" for ruining Trogdor, as well as "zombies, pirates, ninjas and Strong Bad."
*[[Toikey TV]]: Gunhaver informs the other Cheat Commandos that all they got was "another lame Thanksgiving special."
*[[Fan Costumes '07]]: Strong Bad mentions that [[Crack Stuntman]] is a character who voices a character from a cartoon ([[Cheat Commandos]]) inside a cartoon ([[Homestar Runner (body of work)|Homestar Runner]]).
*[[Jibblies 2]]: Strong Bad refers to the cast of the Homestar Runner cartoons as "characters". Also, Strong Sad asks if there was a Jibblies 1, referring to the name of the toon.
*[[Let us give TANKS!]]: [[Blue Laser Commander]] reminds [[Ripberger]] he was only available for a limited time with three proofs of purchase. Silent Rip says he's thankful for the "Blue Laser Thanksgiving action playset". All the Commandos and Blue Laser members sing "Buy all our playsets and toys!"
*[[More Fan Costumes]]: Strong Bad comments that [[Coach Z]], [[The King of Town]] and [[Marzipan]] are the least popular ''Homestar Runner'' characters.
*[[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]]: Throughout the [[Wikipedia:cold open|cold open]], Homestar directly addresses the viewer. When he comes upon Homsar, he remarks "Oh, great. The secret guy." and then comments on the choices that Homsar "gives" him. Then when he reaches the [[Cliffs#Creepy Cliff|Creepy Cliff]], he refers to it as a "cool new background." Finally, in the [[The Goblin|Goblin]] ending, Marzipan declares the end of the scene.
*[[Homestar Presents: Presents]]: Strong Bad informs the viewers that Homestar runs around frantically from [[Decemberween]] to New Year's; then, in the Easter egg, there is a poster on the wall that reads, "Left Out Characters' Support Group & Buffet."
*[[Halloween Fairstival]]: In the Homsar easter egg, Homsar walks across all sides of the screen.
*[[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]]: At the beginning of the toon, Homestar tells the viewers to "pick a treat and drag it on top of us". During the end discussion, Homestar asks if the viewers have voted yet (a feature for that year's toon) and then later requests that the characters repeat stuff they have already said to freak "them" out, indicating that the characters know they are being watched.

=== Strong Bad Emails ===

*[[original]]: The entire email is about the "actor" playing [[Bubs]] being replaced.
*[[the paper]]: Strong Bad claims he can remember the birth of [[The Paper]] "like it was about to happen in a wavy flashback," which follows this line.
*[[from work]]: Strong Bad tells the viewers and/or a cameraman to shut up and complains that what he imagines doesn't appear while Homestar's imagination does become visible.
*[[unnatural]]: Strong Bad talks to the camera as he performs a public service announcement.
*[[strong badathlon]]: [[Whatsit]] gets on the camera.
*[[4 branches]]: Strong Bad says that he'll have to get more specific to be able to cover stupid Homestar ground in one email.
*[[cliffhangers]]: Strong Bad tells the narrator to get to the resolution of the second cliffhanger.
*[[road trip]]: Strong Bad declares the end of the email.
*[[theme song]]: Besides the whole idea of a theme song for his [[Strong Bad Email Show|show]], Strong Bad says he gives the viewers "a new sbemail song every freakin' week".
*[[keep cool]]: Strong Bad interrupts the email (he rises up from below the frame) to explain the difference between [[Strong Badia]] and the rest of [[Free Country, USA]]. He then offers a [[high five]]. He also says "Note to viewers" before everything else.
*[[senior prom]]: After Strong Bad says that he's "taking Delilelia to see David Coppafeel perform" and gets up, the camera zooms out to reveal him actually standing on the right side, causing him to jump out of view.
*[[candy product]]: Strong Bad says he'll have a candy product "by the end of this email".
*[[narrator]]: Strong Bad said that Strong Sad had made corrections in three emails in a row, the first two being [[secret identity]] and [[technology]].
*[[highschool]]: Strong Bad says that he was "probably just like other cartoons" in his high school days.
*[[lady...ing]]: The Cheat displays a laserdisc of a [[Marshmallow's Last Stand]]-era Email. Strong Bad says: "Oh, yeah. Boy, those old cartoons still pack a wallop."
*[[bottom 10]]: After the end of the email, Strong Bad acknowledges that there are no Easter eggs at the end.
*[[dreamail]]: Strong Bad says "Allow me to ... hit you with the pink border", and after that a pink border appears on the screen instead of the routine border. At the end he admits he should have used a fluffy white cloud border instead.
*[[part-time job]]: Strong Bad peeks around the edge of the black on his way to [[Bubs' Concession Stand]].
*[[animal]]: Strong Bad says that a man with a laptop computer comes "from the right side of the screen" and says goodbye to the viewers as [[The Paper]] starts to get impatient.
*[[virus]]: The effects of [[the virus]] cause several fourth wall breakages.
*[[extra plug]]: As Strong Bad tells the others to hold their poses, he reminds them that "it's going to be a long week."
*[[old comics]]: Strong Bad says that he and Homestar were used in a comic that was printed at least 60 years ago. Since they are obviously not that old, he is pointing out the fact that he and Homestar are unaging cartoon characters.
*[[crying]]: Strong Bad states (or rather sings) that he "will not sing an email song this week."
*[[dangeresque 3]]: Strong Bad asks the audience to resist the urge to throw full wine bottles at the screen.
*[[flashback]]: The size of the display area is purposefully extended and Homestar Runner is (and has apparently often been) "behind the black." Further, Strong Bad pantomimes physically shifting the frame focus.
*[[monument]]: Homestar peeks out from behind the black as he sings, "Here comes the Thnikkaman!"
*[[video games]]: Strong Bad turns and yells directly at the camera saying "'Cause you can't control me!"
*[[couch patch]]: Strong Bad points out that the couch patch is clearly already present in Homestar's flashback, and Homestar says he got confused about the title of the e-mail.
*[[mile]]: Strong Bad tells the viewers that he won't answer an email this week. The Cheat creates one, complete with a loading screen.
*[[stunt double]]: Strong Bad throws floppy disks at the viewers and then pretends to give and take them away.
*[[the process]]: Strong Bad spends the whole cartoon explaining how his other emails were/would be done. He also says "you can usually click on certain words and make little pictures of dumb stuff pop up."
*[[huttah!]]: [[The Cheat]] actually watches the email on his own computer.
*[[island]]: When Yami Yugi asks what Strong Bad would do if he were stuck on a desert island, Strong Bad nonchalantly replies, "I suspect it would be like most cartoons". Later, [[Homestar Runner|Homestar]] imitates [[Main Page 3]], with similar effects.
*[[50 emails]]: Strong Bad tells the viewers "Don't nobody go nowheres, I'll be right back."
*[[your friends]]: Strong Bad states that he's giving the fans what they want.
*[[little animal]]: Strong Bad talks about the people watching the e-mail at home.
*[[stand-up]]: Strong Sad tells the viewers to come with him.

=== Games ===

*[[Thy Dungeonman 3]]: If the player talks to some of the characters, they mention events that happened "screens" ago.
*[[Stinkoman 20X6]]: When [[1-Up]] requests Stinkoman's help, Stinkoman says that he already helped him in Level 4. At the beginning of Level 6, Stinkoman appears to be playing his own game. At the beginning of Level -0, Stinkoman addresses the player while he's stuck sad inside the wall. Also, at the end of Level -0, Stinkoman says he has to get through Level 9 and Level 10 to get to 1-Up and [[Pan Pan]]. Then, at the opening cinematic of level 9, the [[Shadowy Figure]] says, "So he thinks he can get to level 10, eh?"
*[[Peasant's Quest]]: If Rather Dashing talks to the [[Dongolev|second]] "[[Unusual Greetings#Haldo|Haldo]]" brother and says "Haldo" without talking to the [[Mendelev|first one]] (the one at the booth), he will say, "What'd you read that in PQ Stragedy Guide? Go talk to my brother first." On a related note, if the player types "throw baby" before the baby has been acquired, the game will say that the player must have "misread the walkthrough on [[Wikipedia:GameFAQs|GameFAQS]]." Also, if "get broom" is typed in Naked Ned's house, the game will say, "No no. The broom is in the foreground and you can't take things in the foreground. You don't see me all typing 'get browser window', do you?" Also, when at the inn, the inn "takes up the entire screen."
*[[Blue Laserdisc Challenge]]: If you succeed in beating the game, Gunhaver bellows, "Next state-of-the-art laserdisc game, Blue Laser! Next state-of-the-art laserdisc game!!"

=== Teen Girl Squad ===

*[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 14|Issue 14]]: Quarterback asks The Ugly One to accompany him to the end credits.
*[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 13|Issue 13]]: The Ugly One comments to Narrator Strong Bad on the creativity (or lack thereof) of her demise.
*[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11|Issue 11]]: Cheerleader is seen reading the script for the issue, and asking how "uggs" is spelled.
*[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 10|Issue 10]] (Easter egg): Cheerleader says it's their "Tenth Issue-versary".
*[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8|Issue 8]]: Cheerleader sings "It's over! It's over! Strong Bad says it's over" at the end of the issue.

===DVDs===
*[[strongbad_email.exe]] (all discs):If the viewer doesn't make a selection in the Bonus Stuff menu, Strong Bad will enter and say "Time's up, choosy! I'm playing Trogdor!", and plays [[TROGDOR!]] for a little bit.
*[[strongbad_email.exe Disc One]]: Strong Bad tells [[The Paper]] to "show these morons what to do". Then, The Paper will tell the viewer to make a choice.
*[[strongbad_email.exe Disc Three]]: Homestar and Strong Bad wonder where the viewer is and Homestar suggests that perhaps they are making a sandwich. Strong Bad orders the viewer to bring them some [[cold ones]].
*[[strongbad_email.exe Disc Four]]: Homestar proclaims, "Look at me! I'm on TVD!" The [[Lappy 486#Female Lappy 486|Female Lappy 486]] asks Strong Bad what's taking the viewers so long.
*[[strongbad_email.exe Disc Five]]: Strong Bad complains the viewer took so long the Lappy's screensaver turned on.
*[[Everything Else, Volume 1]]: Strong Bad says there are no emails on the DVD. Homestar tells the viewer to make a choice.
*[[Everything Else, Volume 2]]: Homestar complains that the viewer is taking too long deciding and tries to eat some of the menu items.

===Other===
*[[SBCG4AP Advertisement]]: Strong Bad later says, "Gimme that camera!" and walks around his house with it. He acknowledges the change in animation style by asking the viewers to witness "all 3 of the glorious D's". Homestar claims to have a "low polygon count".
*[[The Limozeen Advantage]]: [[Teeg Dougland]] informs [[Limozeen]] that they have been relegated to DVD bonus content.
*[[Podstar Runner]]: In the original ending video for the emails and music videos, Strong Bad asks, "What am I doing in this tiny box?" and shatters the screen trying to get out. In the 2008 ending, Strong Bad leaves a "face print" on the iPod's screen and tells the viewer to use a "shimmy cloth".
*[[Store]]: Most of the [[Store Thank You Messages|thank you messages]] break the fourth wall, especially [[Store Thank You Messages#Back Door Message|the "bonus" message]].
*[[Not the 100th Email!!!]]: References to the 404 page and the user poking around the site.
*[[Strong Sad#Character_Video_Transcript|Strong Sad]]: On Strong Sad's character page, he complains about making a "character page" and later runs his finger down the left side of the screen.
*[[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 8.0]]: Homestar says, "This is Homestar Runner from HomestarRunner.com".
*[[First Time Here?]]: Sets the stage for fourth wall breakages, especially when Strong Bad says "I'm the real reason you're here" and asks people to "check him out".
*[[Where the Crap Are We?]]: Strong Bad beats the left side of the screen.

[[Category:Lists]]

Talk:Interrupted Conversations

DAGRON — Thu, 15 May 2008 22:31:04 GMT

DAGRON: /* Rename */ Just a notice.

==Page merit==
It seems to me like this page is all about when a character walks on the screen and other characters' conversations end. I just think this page has no value, no offense to its editor. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 15:20, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

:Seems like an ok page to me. Let's see how much it gwors first. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 15:27, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

::The name is confusing, I thought it was about conversations that are actually interrupted by something, and my first thought was "delete this now..." but actually reading it reveals it's actually about times where we only catch the tail-end of a conversation. I vote build it up a bit, and move it to a better name. Maybe [[Half-missed conversations]]? {{User:Phlip/sig}} 17:17, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

:::I dunno, it seems like a collection of conversation ending lines to me. I mean, a character walks into a place where two other characters are conversing. Do we need to write down those lines on two pages (the toon page and a serperate page)? I don't think so. We really don't need to catalogue every conversation ender. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 22:44, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

::::I think this is an interesting topic, personally. It could use some serious work, though. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:46, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

If any of you guys have the DVD collection, TBC did comment on this subject in [[crying]]. So maybe it is okay to keep it.
-[[User:CoachD|CoachD]]

::I think if we actually got some interrupted conversations, like in [[bottom 10]] when SB is about to say what number 1 is and then gets interrupted by Homestar, then we could actually get this article rolling. Otherwise, we should clean it up and move it to a different name. {{User:Lopp3/sig}} 16:46, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Accept. [[User:Thatkidsam|Thatkidsam]] 12:08, April 22, 2006 (UTC)

I think this page is fairly interesting, at least compared to some I've seen lately. Only, as it stands, the current picture has nothing to do with the article. -{{User:YK/sig}} 01:42, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
:I say change the focus solely to conversations where we missed the beginning and/or context, and then rename it. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:22, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
::I completely agree. This page is a bit too specific; a more open sort of page name (and content) would help greatly. I think the page has massive potential; it just needs to change its goal around a bit. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 22:47, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

== The scope of the page ==

The heading implies that it only refers to conversations that the watcher only hears the last part of, but then describes truly interrupted conversations that don't fit the pattern. Which is it? I think it should be restricted only to the former, as the latter doesn't strike me as particularly running-gag-ish. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:20, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
:Yes, that's how it should be. Things like "Yeah, you stay over there!" are exactly what we're looking for, but Homestar interrupting Strong Bad's bottom 10 aren't. I'm going to go ahead and do a little cleanup here. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 20:25, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
::Yeah. A page about nonsensical conversation that we hear the tail end of is marginally useful; a page listing every dang time somebody gets interrupted isn't. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 21:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
:::If we are changing the name the article, How about, "Partial Convertions" {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 21:32, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
::::As opposed to "Partial Conversions." "I'm ''half'' saved! Glory halle-! Praise the Lo-!" Okay, I'll be good now. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 21:44, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
Err... this article still needs some severe pruning to go by these standards. Time to delete stuff? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:08, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
:Hmm. Some conversations we do get the start of, but not the end of, are running gaggish - "Reg at the top of the tee" strikes me as one - so I would be careful how lines are drawn. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:42, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

One year later: This article is still not doing what it is intended to. So I'm going to remove all of the entries that I don't think fit the running gag and put them here.

*Email [[trevor the vampire]] — While typing, Strong Bad interrupts himself and says "—Oh, no! I get it! They got him!"
*[[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 5.0]] — [[Marzipan]] is interrupted by the beep from her phone while singing her introduction song.
*[[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]] — Homestar Runner is interrupted by a buzzer while counting to ten.
*Email [[bottom 10]] — Nibbles is interrupted by the narrator for the [[Fluffy Puff Marshmallows]] commercial.

You can now see a common theme among what is left on the article. As it has been mentioned before, "interrupted conversations" is not the best title for this gag. This is more of a "times when the viewer gets dropped into the middle of a conversation." More intriguingly, the entries that I removed are actually the speech lines that ''are'' interrupted. With that, does anybody have a technical-sounding way to describe how the viewer gets dropped into the middle of a conversation (and it usually happens after a scene cut)?

—[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 05:16, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

== Reg and the Top o' the Key ==

Does this really have a place here? This is more or less a list of "Interrupted Conversations" that we never find out the subject of. Coach Z's reference to Reg is more like a flashback to Strong Bad's autobiography. We already know what happened when Reg had the ball at the top o' the key...Strong Bad was like "I'm open, I'm open!" but someone must slipped Reg some drugs or something before the game because he didn't see him and he passed it to the Deke instead and the Deke SLAM DUNKED IT!!! Ohhhh

So...you see my point... ~ Shadix

== ...List? ==

I don't feel this page is a list. It's just the appearances of a running gag. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 20:37, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

==Transfer==

<blockquote>
I strongly suggest we merge this article with [[Interrupted Conversations]]. To begin with, the title "Narrated Interruption" does not actually match the appearances listed. Phones and buzzers are not narrators. A more appropriate title would be [[Interrupted Monologues]], which would fit perfectly into [[Interrupted Conversations]].{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:26, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
:Agreed. The buzzer and the answering machine is just time running out. If you using a recording device that has 10 seconds, and you try to record a 12 second message, you will be interupted. Nothing special with these. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 20:53, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
::Agree. '''Merge''' it. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 11:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
::Agree. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 22:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
::I agree. It would also unorphan this page. [[User:EdgeMaster025|EdgeMaster025]]
:::I concur. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 20:32, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
</blockquote>

== Where The Crap Are We ==

Not really a conversation, but I think that the begining of [[Where the Crap Are We?]] belongs somewhere around here. --{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 02:13, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
:I disagree. The viewer isn't getting dropped into the middle of a conversation, but rather it's the start of the conversation as far as the toon is concerned. And it's not happening after a scene cut in the middle of the toon as are most of these entries, so it's not obvious that any conversation is being, er, stumbled-upon. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 05:24, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

== Rename ==

To me, "Interrupted Conversations" sounds as though characters are stopping converstations we already have heard the beginning. I propose "Drop-In Converstations". Or something similar. {{User:Techgeekmbg/sig}} 01:09, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

How about calling it "Incomplete Conversations"? -Foxy
:No, no rename. The conversations are interrupted right in the middle. You don't need to hear the first part to be interrupted. It's not you the article cares about, it's the characters having the conversation. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 06:34, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
::To me, it never really sounds the conversations are being interrupted, like thi- --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 07:00, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
:::They do have a point. "Interrupted" implies that the conversation is being interfered with, rather than that we're just hearing a portion. I can't think of anything simple to call it, tho. [[User:Dagron|Dagron]] 07:09, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
::::[[Partial Conversations]]? [[Fragmented Conversations]]? [[Incomplete Conversations]]? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 12:54, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::I like [[Incomplete Conversations]]. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 13:00, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::Second (or third, or whatever) {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 13:16, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Hmm... [[Incomplete Conversations]] is pretty good... I'd go for that. [[User:Dagron|Dagron]] 02:22, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::::But it doesn't sound like the conversations are incomplete, just finishing. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 02:48, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Yeah, you're right [[User:Dagron|Dagron]] 02:50, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::No change. [[User:StrongBad1|StrongBad1]] 22:16, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
Why don't we rename it Conversations With Unknown Subjects? It would be an accurate name for it. [[User:Hooray4homestar|Hooray4homestar]] 02:09, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
The name should be, "Background Conversations"! You know? Because they just set up the background for something.
:How about [[Conversations that, while presumably complete, we as viewers only get to hear a portion of]] -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 05:15, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
::I second Conversations with Unknown Subjects. It fits much better than Interrupted Conversations. Then again, I'm just an annony and if I know your HRwiki guys you won't take my opinion seriously. --[[User:97.82.22.53|97.82.22.53]] 01:35, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Just wanted to bump this back into RC to get it noticed. The rename discussion here is still in limbo. Comments welcome. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 22:31, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Gender Confusion

DAGRON — Thu, 15 May 2008 14:20:42 GMT

DAGRON: Temporarily removing homosexuality subsection, pending talkpage discussion

[[Image:Senior prom.PNG|thumb|"And now to announce your Prom King and Queen!"]]
In addition to [[cross-dressing]], characters also say and do things that suggest they are '''unclear about one's gender'''.

== Appearances ==
=== [[Coach Z]] ===
*Email [[2 emails]] — Coach Z picks up a name tag and claims he's "Hot Girl #37".
*Email [[garage sale]] — Coach Z counts himself as a mom.
*Email [[senior prom]] — Homestar mistakes Coach Z for Strong Sad's date, "Deborah".
*Email [[rated]] — Strong Bad thinks Coach Z kinda looks like his [[parents|mom]], and Coach Z responds by asking if he should shave his legs.

=== [[Senor Cardgage]] ===
*Email [[kind of cool]] — [[Strong Bad]] boasts that Creepy Comb-over Strong Bad would still be "so cool, that even if you were a dude, [he'd] still call at you like you were a lady." In an Easter Egg, Senor Cardgage calls Strong Bad, "ma'am," and later, "Ethel".
*[[Senor Mortgage]] — Senor Cardgage calls the [[Visor Robot]], "Valerie".
*[[Senorial Day]] — Senor Cardgage calls Strong Bad, "Ms. America".
*Email [[rough copy]] Senor Cardgage refers to Strong Bad as "Grendolyn".
*Email [[rated]] — Senor Cardgage calls Strong Bad, "Bridget".

=== [[Teen Girl Squad]] ===
*Teen Girl Squad Menu — In one version, [[The Ugly One]] tells the other girls "Teacher just called me 'young man'".
*[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 7]] — The Ugly One has "boy or girl?" written next to her picture in the opening.
*[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]] — [[So and So]]'s job at Shirt Folding Store requires her to wear a name tag labeled "Mark". Later, she is shown with stubble.
*[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 12]] — A boy refers to [[What's Her Face]] as a "dude" and a "she" within the same sentence.

=== Other Characters ===
*Email [[1 step ahead]] — In the ending where [[Strong Sad]]'s hands get glued to his butt, [[Bubs]] scolds him for not being "very ladylike".
*Email [[couch patch]] — [[Lil' Strong Bad]] mistakes Carl Lewis for a girl and writes graffiti on the couch proclaiming that "shes hot".
*[[Homestar Presents: Presents]] — Coach Z confuses his father for his mother. Homestar calls [[Marzipan]] "Marzi-man".
*[[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 12.2]] — Strong Bad calls Marzipan "the go-to guy, or gal" for joining a [[Goat]][[face]] Club. He says it would be hard to tell which because of her goatface.
*[[Bug in Mouth Disease]] — Strong Bad exclaims, "Can't you see Grandma's watching her stories?" when [[Homestar Runner]] distracts him during ''[[Caleb Rentpayer]].''
*Email [[senior prom]] — Strong Bad with no [[pants]] on is crowned the Prom Queen.
*[[Summer Short Shorts]] — Strong Bad and [[Strong Mad]] refer to [[The Cheat]] as if he is Strong Mad's girlfriend.
*Email [[road trip]] — Homestar mistakes Strong Bad and The Cheat for young lovers [[Making Out|making out]].
*Email [[cliffhangers]] — Homestar mistakes himself for a [[Pregnancy|pregnant]] woman.
*Email [[coloring]] — Homestar calls Marzipan "Teacherman".
*Email [[looking old]] — Strong Sad addresses lace-lifted Strong Bad as his "great-grandma".
*Email [[the movies]] — Strong Bad calls Homestar "the little girl behind [him] who wouldn't shut up."
*[[One Two, One Two]] — Strong Bad sings that he is an independent girl.
*Email [[mini-golf]] — The [[Drive-Thru Whale]] calls Strong Bad "ma'am", but Strong Bad interprets this as if the Whale is talking to his mother.
*Email [[diorama]] — Strong Bad calls the email's sender, "Mollyman".
*Email [[nightlife]] — Homestar dreams of being a girl scout.
*Email [[environment]] — Strong Bad refers to the email's senders, Lyd and Jules, as "maybe ladies."
*[[The Homestar Runner Gets Something Stuck in his Craw]] — Narrator Strong Bad calls Strong Sad "some fat girl".

{{sectionstub}}

== See Also ==
*[[Cross-dressing]]
*[[Pregnancy]]

[[Category:Activity running gags]][[Category:Recurring Themes]]

Nebulon

DAGRON — Thu, 15 May 2008 13:45:04 GMT

DAGRON: undid revision 563745; It's capitalized in the cartoon :\

'''Nebulon''' is an [[alien]] who is seen in [[Outer Space|space]] and on the [[The Moon|moon]]. He first appeared on [[Main Page 1]], but he was not named until [[The Cheat]]'s cartoon [[New Boots]]. According to The Cheat's rendition of [[Strong Bad]] in his cartoon, no one likes Nebulon's [[style]]. Since then, Nebulon has made a number of cameo appearances ranging from a drawing, a wooden cutout, or other various novelty items, but he did not actually appear as a real character in any Homestar Runner cartoon until [[winter pool]]. He has also never been known to say anything, though the [[Stinkomanual]] attributes the quote "Another green salad, another iced tea..." to him.

Nebulon made a brief appearance in the sole episode of [[Limozeen]]'s [[Limozeen: "but they're in space!"|space cartoon]]. He also appeared in an Easter egg in the email [[narrator]], where [[Marzipan]] (as some type of enormous alien cow) says she has always admired Nebulon's style. (Nebulon seems less than pleased by this statement.) He made another appearance as a wooden cutout in the email [[senior prom]], where the theme was "Entrapment All Up On the Moon". [[Homestar Runner]] also has a pair of Nebulon slippers.

Nebulon is also the [[Stinkoman 20X6 Enemies and Items#Bosses|boss]] of [[Stinkoman 20X6]] [[Stinkoman 20X6 Walkthrough Level 5|Level 5]]. It is unclear whether this is the same Nebulon or a [[20X6]] counterpart, as it is bigger, stronger and has a much different physique, though the [[Stinkomanual]] says that he's been working out. When you beat Nebulon, [[1-Up]] repeats the phrase "Get out of here, Nebulon! No one likes your style!"

[[The Poopsmith]] wore a Nebulon-styled inner tube in [[keep cool]]. When he was forbidden from entering Strong Bad's pool, he slumped his shoulders, and Nebulon's exit sound was heard.

In the email [[looking old]], Strong Bad asked others for advice on how to improve his image for a younger audience. [[Strong Mad]] advised him to "[[Wear a Bikini!|WEAR A DIAPER!]]" and presented him with a Nebulon [[diaper]].

Although Nebulon does not appear in the game [[Secret Collect]], the creators of that game's cartoon still used him in the bumper, as seen in [[web comics]].

Nebulon once again appears in [[winter pool]] floating in space near [[Pom Pom]].

<gallery>
Image:nebulon.png|<center>Real world</center>
Image:nebulon_newboots.png|<center>[[Powered by The Cheat|PBTC]]</center>
Image:nebulon best thing.png|<center>But he's in space!</center>
Image:Neb-1.PNG|<center>Stinkoman 20X6</center>
Image:Cardboardulon.png|<center>Wooden cutout</center>
Image:Homestarneb1sleepers.PNG|<center>Slippers</center>
Image:Nebulon_floater_2.png|<center>Nebulon floatation device</center>
Image:Nebulon diaper.PNG|<center>Nebulon diaper</center>
Image:Clay_Nebulon.PNG|<center>Clay Nebulon</center>
Image:Sketchbook 10-25-2007.png|<center>Nebulon's Dad?</center>
</gallery>

==Fun Facts==
*[[Matt Chapman]] said in a [[Inkhole Interview|certain interview]], "...[Nebulon's misery] cracked me up to no end. I could watch Nebulon crying and moping away forever."
**Later, when doing the DVD commentary for New Boots, Matt said "That's probably my favorite moment in any Homestar cartoon ever, is when Nebulon ages a thousand years when he's so sad."
*His [[Wikipedia:Graffiti#Terminology|graffiti tag]] name is "NEB-1." Graffiti taggers use a "1" after a name to show that they were the first to use that name.
*The sound made as Nebulon leaves in the various Strong Bad E-Mails is the introduction sound to the game [http://andy3ware.com/startrek/ Star Trek for Windows 9x], a strategy action game.
*The name Nebulon is derived from "[[Wikipedia:Nebula|nebula]]".

==Filmography==
*'''Debut:''' [[Main Page 1]]
*[[:Category:Nebulon Filmography|Complete Filmography]]

==See also==
*[[Rumble Red]]

[[Category:Characters]]

Poms

DAGRON — Thu, 15 May 2008 09:20:03 GMT

DAGRON: word

[[Image:isleofpom.PNG|thumb|A gathering of Poms, including an [[ABA Basketball]] Pom.]]
[[Image:Isle of Pom.png|thumb|100px|The Isle of Pom]]
While most of the [[characters]] in the [[Homestar Runner (body of work)|Homestar Runner]] body of work have physical characteristics unique to themselves, quite a few '''Poms''' have been depicted, suggesting that they are members of a well-defined species.

The overall body shape of Poms is quite consistent. Their bodies are large, spherical, and seem to be composed of a spongy matter capable of absorbing and containing objects (as seen in [[Where's The Cheat?]], where [[Pom Pom]] keeps his [[cell phone]] inside his body). Poms' bodies are also very light, which causes [[Strong Bad]] to speculate in his email [[pom pom]] that Pom Pom may be filled with [[Wikipedia:Helium|helium]] or [[Wikipedia:Hydrogen|hydrogen]] (though neither one of these explanations has any firm grounding in fact). Poms have short nubs for arms and legs, and their heads are ellipsoidal in shape with two small eyes but [[Lack of Visible Body Parts|no other visible facial features]]. [[Pom Pom's girls]] are notable exceptions to the standard Pom anatomy, as they have typical Pom faces but human hair and bodies.

Poms are able to communicate, though with an utter [[Lack of Intelligible Speech|lack of intelligible speech]]. Pom Pom himself speaks only through bubble noises, while his girls haven't been seen to communicate with anything more than giggles. Nevertheless, characters have no trouble understanding Pom Pom, so it is evident that Poms' language is discernible among themselves as well as by other species.

Poms come from the Isle of Pom, where they seem to organize themselves in traditional families and social structures (as seen in [[Pom Pom, Too]], Pom Pom has both [[General and Fraulein Pom Pom|parents]] and neighbors).

==Notable Poms==
*[[Pom Pom]]
*[[Pom Pom's girls]]
*[[General and Fraulein Pom Pom]]

==See Also==
*[[Family Resemblence]]
*[[Pom Pom's Hypothetical Family]]

[[Category:Research]]

Croissants

DAGRON — Thu, 15 May 2008 09:19:31 GMT

DAGRON: tweak

[[Image: SBCroissant.png|thumb|Strong Bad &hearts;'s Croissants]]

'''[[Wikipedia:Croissant|Croissants]]''' are a crescent shaped roll of puff pastry usually associated with France. [[Strong Bad]] seems to have an affinity for them. When ever he says the name it's with a heavy [[French]] accent.

==Appearances==
*Email [[3 Wishes]] — One of Strong Bad's three wishes is for some croissants with [[butter]] melting on them.
*Email [[action figure]] — Strong Bad figures his [[Action Figure Character Variations|action figure]] would have "Chinese Throwing Croissants".
*[[Real Live E-Mails]] — Strong Bad eats [[Ryan Sterritt]]'s croissant.
*[[Trogday 08]] — Strong Bad mentions croissants during the [[The S is for Sucks]] song.

==See Also==
*[[Bread]]

[[Category: Generic food and drinks]]

SBCG4AP Dev Blog

DAGRON — Thu, 15 May 2008 04:14:01 GMT

DAGRON: /* 14 May 2008 */ fix link

<div align="right">[http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/ read]</div>
[[Image:Dev Blog logo.png|thumb|300px|From the desk of Strong Bad.]]

[[Strong Bad]] regularly updates a '''Developer's Blog''' on the [[Telltale Games]] website to promote ''[[Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People]]''.

== Blog Entries ==

{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! Image !! Date !! Title !! Description !! Currently Playing:
|-id="The Endinning of The End"
| [[Image:Sbdev rhonda.jpg|100px]]|| 14 May 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-8 '''The Endinning of the End'''] || Strong Bad hates the French horn. || "''[[Wikipedia:Lost Eden|Lost Eden]]'' (the dinosaurs look REAL!)"
|-id="Logos Please"
| [[Image:Sbdev logos.jpg|100px]] || 7 May 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-7 '''Logos Please'''] || Strong Bad discusses how video game success is proportional to the number of logos before the title screen. || "''[[Wikipedia:Trojan (video game)|Trojan]]'' (they still have cartoon sticks of TNT in the post-apocalyptic future!)"
|-id="New Screenshots!"
|[[Image:DevBlog042408.png|100px]] || 24 Apr 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-6 '''New Screenshots!'''] || Strong Bad shows off some new screen shots of the upcoming game... that have been altered slightly. || [[Not X|Not]] [[Wikipedia:Paint (software)|MS Paint]]
|-id="Anadigilogital"
| [[Image:Sbdev mig29 front.jpg|100px]] || 17 Apr 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-5 '''Anadigilogital'''] || Strong Bad complains about the game's lack of box art and dipswitches. || "[[Wikipedia:Star Wars: Rebel Assault|''Rebel Assault 1'']] (from a time when nasty looking full motion video was the future of gaming!)"
|-id="Nobody Listens to Strong Bandrew"
| [[Image:Puzzmaster.jpg|100px]] || 10 Apr 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-4 '''Nobody Listens to Strong Bandrew'''] || Strong Bad decries the Telltale Team's rejection of his game ideas. || "[http://www.gamespot.com/nes/action/wagyanland/index.html ''Wagyan Land''] (the end boss is a word game!)"
|-
|}

== Fun Facts ==
===14 May 2008===
*The game Strong Bad is complaining about is ''[[Wikipedia:Pitfall II: Lost Caverns|Pitfall II: Lost Caverns]]''. Frogs and balloons were two of the new features in the game, as well as unlimited lives.

=== 24 Apr 2008 ===
*Strong Bad alters a screenshot from the game and claims that it's a dating sim featuring [[Wikipedia:Kate Pierson|Kate Pierson]] of the B-52's.
*One of Strong Bad's fake screencaps reveals that Homestar's innards are filled with "Strawberry Quik". "Quik" was the original name of [[Wikipedia:Nestlé|Nestlé]]'s flavored milk drink [[Wikipedia:Nesquik|Nesquik]].
*Strong Bad claims to launch a "heat-seeking [[Wikipedia:Three Stooges|3-Stooges]] eye-poker missile" in his game. The hallmark slapstick comedy of the Stooges often included eye-poking.

=== 17 Apr 2008 ===

*''[[Wikipedia:Mig 29 Soviet Fighter|Mig 29 Soviet Fighter]]'' is an unlicensed game for the [[Nintendo#NES|NES]]. The switch on the back of the game triggers a [http://kevtris.org/mappers/lockout/camerica.html voltage spike] intended to temporarily disable the NES's [[Wikipedia:10NES|lock-out chip]] so that the unlicensed game can be played on an official console.
*Strong Bad [[Strong Bad's Spelling|uses "it's" in place of "its"]] even though he considers people who do this to be [[local news|scalawags]].

=== 10 Apr 2008 ===

*The blocky 3D Strong Bad head in the [[Wikipedia:Sudoku|sudoku]] puzzmaster picture is most likely a reference to [[Wikipedia:Dr. Kawashima|Dr. Kawashima's]] representation in the [[Wikipedia:Brain Age|Brain Age]] series, which included sudoku in the North American version of its first installment. Dr. Kawashima's head also sometimes used an expression similar to Strong Bad's in the game.
**[[Wikipedia:NPR|NPR]]'s program [[Wikipedia:Weekend Edition|Weekend Edition Sunday]] includes a weekly segment with [[Wikipedia:Will Shortz|Will Shortz]], puzzle constructor (including [http://nymag.com/arts/all/features/17244/ Sudoku]), [[Wikipedia:The New York Times|New York Times]] puzzle editor, and referred to by NPR as the "[http://www.npr.org/templates/people/?typeId=1#S Puzzlemaster]".
*Strong Bad's idea of a "flame cubicle" in the Telltale offices gets "[[SBLOUNSKCHED!]]"
*The title makes a reference to the book [http://www.amazon.com/Nobody-Listens-Andrew-Elizabeth-Guilfoile/dp/0590093185 ''Nobody Listens to Andrew''].

== See Also ==
*[[Strong Sad's Lament]]

==External Links ==
*[http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/ Read Strong Bad's Dev Blog]

{{SBCG4AP}}

User talk:Trey56

DAGRON — Thu, 15 May 2008 03:14:23 GMT

DAGRON: /* Comedic timing */ Sorry

{{User:Trey56/talknav}}
== [[User:Trey56#NES Endings Trivia Challenge|NES Endings Trivia Challenge]]==
===4 September 2007===
[[Image:CoachZNoid.PNG|thumb|100px|Avoid the Noid!]]
:''Where on homestarrunner.com has the main character of this game appeared?''
Is [[Wikipedia:Yo! Noid|Yo! Noid]]. Main character appeared on the alternate Halloween Costumes [[secret page]]. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 22:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

:Great jorb! Yep, [[Coach Z]] was thinking about dressing up as the Noid for Halloween in 2001, in [[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]], as seen [[HR:halloween01.swf]]

===11 September 2007===
:''Where in a Homestar Runner cartoon have this game's main character's weapons appeared? Hint 1: The main character's name is an anagram of the name of the "makers" of a potential tomb for Strong Bad. Hint 2: A [[:Category:Bands|band]] has composed a song about this entombment.''
I'm not sure if I can take the credit for this one. When comparing this picture to Pokémon with an online friend, he pointed out which game it's '''actually''' from. Anyway, there was a bell in [[Homestar Presents: Presents]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 03:35, 16 September 2007 (UTC) 
PS. Because of the source, I intentionally left the game's title off.
::Yep, you've got the correct game in mind :) I don't think the bell sighting is quite right — if I'm not mistaken, there's not a ''visible'' bell in [[Homestar Presents: Presents]]... let me know if I'm wrong though. And let's see if someone else gets the game, and then I'll sort out to whom to give credit. Nice job, Jay and Jay's friend! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:42, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Oh, right, that was Homsar's paintbrush. :p He actually has an account here, though he doesn't use it anywhere near as much as I do. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 03:44, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
:Um, The Adventures of Bayou Billy? I have absolutely no NES trivia knowledge, just a guess. And Jay, I'm pretty sure Pokemon was never a NES game. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 03:38, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
:: You misunderstand. I compared the picture to Pokémon with an online friend, and HE told me which game it REALLY came from, which, of course, wasn't Pokémon. I left off the game's title because I don't know if I should take credit. And no, it's not Bayou Billy. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 03:40, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

:::Yup, not Bayou Billy. Keep trying! The hints should be helpful... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:42, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

That game is none other than Little Samson, an obscure platformer. A pretty good one, at that. -[[User:GG Crono|GG Crono]] 03:47, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

:You're so close it hurts! And you're right, this game is great! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:48, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I got it, I got it. I just had a little...mental stnank. -[[User:GG Crono|GG Crono]] 03:48, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
: BTW, this was the friend I mentioned. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 03:48, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

::Ooh, I see you {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Trey56&diff=498953&oldid=498952 fixed it}} — yep, it's ''[[Wikipedia:Little Samson|Little Samson]]''. Nice work, GG Crono! Anybody got the correct appearance of his weapons in the Homestar Runner body of work? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:50, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

:::I think Jay did earlier. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 03:51, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

::::Nope, not quite — Homsar's paintbrush makes a bell sound, but it doesn't count as bells "appearing". {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:52, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

::::No, I didn't. Hmm... [[Seasonal Sweaters]]? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 03:53, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

:::::[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 7]]? --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 03:54, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

::::::[[Seasonal Sweaters]] is the one! Good work, GG Crono and Jay; I'll put you on my user page shortly. By the way, the answers to the hints were the following: One of [[your funeral|Strong Bad's possible funerals]] involved preserving his body in a '''mason''' jar (about which [[Taranchula]] wrote a song). So the "makers" of the jar are "masons", an anagram of which is "Samson". Thanks for participating, everyone! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:56, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

:::::::By the way, SMB, [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 7]] was close, but the type of bell there is a school bell, as opposed to the style that Little Samson wields. Good guess! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:58, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Well, like I said earlier, I stink at NES trivia, so my guesses are pure guesses. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

:::::::::No problem — thanks for participating! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

===18 September 2007===
:''What Homestar Runner character has dabbled in the occupation of the villain of this game?''
::That's easy. Homestar Runner was a jailer in [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]]. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 17:02, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
:::By "occupation", I mean "career". Also, this one's probably straightforward, but what game is it? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:13, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
:::: The game is Donkey Kong Jr.... as for the career of the villian... Bubs? He's done all sorts of crazy crap... {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 17:19, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::You've got the game, but your answer to the trivia isn't quite right — there's a more specific career and a Homestar Runner character who did quite a bit of it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:21, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::: You know, I always thought he was a plumber, so that'd leave The Buttcrack Plumber... {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 17:26, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
::::::Like Mario, Homestar was a carpenter in Hands On Deck. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:23, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Yup! Back in the day, Mario was originally a carpenter. Nice job, guys! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:29, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

=== 24 October 2007 ===
:''Where has the name of this game's villain appeared (as text) on homestarrunner.com? Hint: the text is hidden in a recording. Hint 2: The text appears very close to someone with the male form of the name of "a really nice girl".''
::Dracula, the villain of [[Wikipedia:Castlevania II: Simon's Quest|Castlevania II: Simon's Quest]] has been mentioned in [[Malloween Commercial]] :-){{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:18, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

:::You've got the game right (nice work!), but I'm looking for the place where his name has visually ''appeared'' on homestarrunner.com. Keep try! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:47, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Um, [[Count Longardeaux's Book|Count Longardeaux]]? From [[record book]]? Because they both have "Count" in their names? Please? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 22:22, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

:::::Nice try! :D But there's a place where the name "Dracula" actually appears in print. Hint: it's deceptively easy... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:55, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
The [[Adventure Gamers Interview]]! {{User:Chaosvii7/sig}} 23:27, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

:Nope — that interview doesn't appear on homestarrunner.com! Keep try! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:29, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
does it literally apeear in print on the website? {{User:Chaosvii7/sig}} 23:32, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

:Yes sir! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:43, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
::[[Malloween Commercial]]? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 23:46, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

:::No, however, one of the scenes in that toon is set in the same location as the one where Dracula's name appears... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:49, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I didn't even notice that was the toon Loafing guessed. Sorry to waste your valuable time, {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 23:52, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

:It's okay — my time is just like water. Trey56's time — why ever drink again? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:58, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
::I know it's when Marshie pops up form the ground in front of the tombstone, but I can't think, or even find, where it says "Dracula." {{User:Chaosvii7/sig}} 02:15, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

after looking at the image, i think the picture is from castlevania 1. am i rite? if not, back 2 jamesnintendonerd. {{User:Slipknot6477/sig}} 01:41, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

:Very close — it's ''Castlevania II: Simon's Quest'' (Loafing got the game above). But the associated trivia question is still up for grabs, if you still want to try that one!

:By the way, the Angry Video Game Nerd (I think his Youtube account is jamesnintendonerd) did a review of this game. Thanks for participating! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:11, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
[[japanese cartoon]]! Simon (male form of Simone, who is a really nice girl) is standing in front of Dracula's tomb (a cemetary was shown in Malloween Commercial) in the NES endings Easter egg that was the origin of this whole game! (Hence, deceptively easy.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:33, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

:You are absolutely right — awesome job! Sorry to give out such a tricky question this time, but I thought it'd be a lot more fun than "where is this game referenced on homestarrunner.com". Anyways, that's all for the special Halloween Edition of the NES Endings challenge — thanks for participating, everyone! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 19:42, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

=== 6 November 2007 ===
:''Which two Homestar Runner [[characters]] have dressed up like the protagonists of this game?''
Well, I doubt that any of the H*R characters have actually dressed up as [http://www.vgmuseum.com/end/nes/b/snow.htm snowmen]. There is a [[:Image:PomPomSnowman.png|snowman dressed up as Pom Pom]] in [[A Holiday Greeting]], and then there is Strong Sad dressed up as a snowman in [[Fall Float Parade]], but more or less involuntarily ;-){{User:Loafing/sig}} 19:21, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
:Yep — you've got what I was looking for! And you're right: I probably could have worded the question better. At any rate, here's to 04 Glorious Seconds of Nunchucking Snowmen! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:04, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

(1) Snow Brothers {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 20:16, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

:Yessir! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:04, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

=== 1 April 2008 ===
:''"Long neck, no hands, 100 legs, cannot stand. Born of a forest nest, Against a wall I rest." (1) Where in the game can you find this item, and (2) what Homestar Runner character resembles it?''
::[[Wikipedia:Shadowgate|Shadowgate]] is the game. You can find a broom, the answer to the riddle, in a room with a sphinx, and [[Marzipan]] looks like a broom. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 04:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

:::Close enough — the riddle about the broom takes place in the sphinx room, but you actually get the broom in the mirror room. But you're close enough to win given all the April 1 confusion ;) Nice work! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:29, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

== French Subtitles ==

Just to clear things up: you just added spaces to my translations before exclamation points and question marks. I question, though, because both my sister, who speaks French, and my french teacher both type and write without those spaces. I live in America, my two resources who helped me both learned French in Quebec. Is there something different between France french and Canadian french? {{User:Techgeekmbg/sig}} 06:44, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

:Hey there — there are a lot of difference between Canadian French and French as spoken in France, but I don't know if this is one of them. I do know that this is something that [[User:Meuhcoin|Meuhcoin]], a native speaker living in France [[User talk:Trey56/Archive 1#French subtitles|thought was important]]. It'd probably be best to keep doing that for consistency with all the ones he's transcribed. By the way, I didn't know this either before he corrected me — they didn't teach it in my French classes either. If you feel like it, it's probably worth contacting [[User:Meuhcoin|Meuhcoin]] about, if you can get ahold of him. Hope that helps! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:49, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

== Transcription ==

Thanks for taking notice to my hard work. I'm glad someone noticed. I'd really like someone to proofread those so they can be removed from the list, Sorry I couldn't get back to you sooner, I was carving my HSR-related pumpakin. But, thanks for noticing. Do you think you could proofread those? Thanks,{{User:Homestarmy Commando1/sig}}

:Absolutely — I'll be happy to proofread your transcripts for [[A Decemberween Pageant]], [[Halloween Fairstival]], and [[The Best Decemberween Ever]]. It might take me a day or two to have time to finish it, but I'll be sure to get it done.

:By the way, which pumpkin did you make? Laters, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 02:36, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

::I made the one that's just the H*R logo. My pumpkin started drying up the day after I carved it, so the flimsy little star outline got all shriveled up and dissapeared. Other that that, it turned out gweat. Swarthily, Bubs's Concession Stand. Oops, I mean {{User:Homestarmy Commando1/sig}}

:::Aw, peas. I finally had a chance to proofread your transcripts, so I popped in my [[strongbad_email.exe Disc Five]], went to go look at the [[HRWiki:DVD commentary transcripts|commentaries you transcribed]], and realized that they're all on [[Everything Else, Volume 2]]. Which I don't have. So, I'm afraid I can't proofread them for you — sorry :( {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:08, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

::::Don't feel too bad. The couple people I asked to proofread those said they didn't have that DVD, so I guess nobody has that [[Everything Else, Volume 2]] DVD, I'll get someone to proof those. I was gonna do it myself, but I decided against it at the last minute(even though my dad's an English major). Thanks anyways, {{User:Homestarmy Commando1/sig}}

==Uploading pictures==
I was wondering... how do you copy pictures from h*r toons and post them on the wiki? I'm creating a page and I need a certain picture on it.
Please respond, [[User:Don't say jorb 101|Don't say jorb 101]]
:Hi! Check out the "How to take a screenshot" section on [[Help:Image]]. Let me know if you have any other questions! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:41, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
I just have one more question: how do you organize userboxes? [[User:Don't say jorb 101|Don't say jorb 101]]

:Good question. Put each one on a separate line, put <code><nowiki>{{userboxtop}}</nowiki></code> on a separate line above them all, and put <code><nowiki>|}</nowiki></code> on a line below them all. So, it should look like this:
<pre><nowiki>
{{userboxtop}}
{{userbox|...}}
{{userbox|...}}
...
{{userbox|...}}
|}
</nowiki></pre>
:Hope that helps, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:58, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

== html URLs ==

If you would ever like to find those HTML files you posted in the [[HRWiki:Sandbox|sandbox]], I pasted them [[User:Homestar-winner/URLs|here]]. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 12:44, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

:Thanks! I can also get them from {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&diff=511551&oldid=511511 this version}} of the Sandbox, so don't worry about keeping them on that page if you don't want. Also, just as a note for myself, this is just a version of [[HRWiki:Subtitles/Data]] with all of the sections in reverse chronological order. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:26, 3 November 2007 (UTC)
==Dansk!==
Will you send a message to me?{{User:HAJ/sig}}

:Okay, I sent {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:HAJ&diff=516269&oldid=516238 a test message}}. Welcome to the wiki! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:29, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

== thanks to you! ==

thank you for helping me. now for me to figure out how userboxes work [[User:Imdaman]]
:I went ahead and {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Imdaman&diff=prev&oldid=519788 fixed them}} — what I did was put each <code><nowiki>{{userbox}}</nowiki></code> on a separate line, put <code><nowiki>{{userboxtop}}</nowiki></code> on a separate line above them all, and put <code><nowiki>|}</nowiki></code> on a line below them all. Hope that helps, and let me know if you have any more questions! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:24, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

== Music Video? ==

Hey Trey, would that musical part of the latest D-ween toon count as a music video? I'd really hate to do all that extra work, just to have it deleted and reformatted. I'm working on the page as we speak, so lemme know ASAP. Thanks, {{User:Homestarmy Commando1/sig}}

:I'm not 100% sure what you're asking... are you asking if the visuals should go on a separate page, like the [[Different Town Visuals]]? If so, then yeah, I think the visuals for the song wil probably end up at [[Happy Dethemberween Visuals]]... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:10, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Thanks for the help. Sincerely, {{User:Homestarmy Commando1/sig}}

== Help a Newbie? ==
Yo trey, i probably just overlooked this at some point in time, but how do I make my username appear in different colors or with pictures like yours? -[[User:GardenBoy|GardenBoy]] 20:49, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

:Hey there, GardenBoy — check out [[Help:Signature]] for help setting up a signature (and see also [[HRWiki:Signature]] for some restrictions to keep in mind while making it). Let me know if you have any questions while you're working on it! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:53, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

::Thanks for the help! By the way, what do you think? -[[User:GardenBoy|GardenBoy]] 21:45, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

::What the heck? I saved what I did! -[[User:GardenBoy|GardenBoy]] 21:46, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

::Oh, forgot to do the preferences thing. Be right back... -[[User:GardenBoy|GardenBoy]] 21:48, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

:::Sigs FTW!!! -{{User:GardenBoy/sig}} 21:54, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

::::I really like the way it looks! The "Edits" link sticks out of the required size a bit: {{sigbox|User:GardenBoy/sig}} Let me see if I can think of a way to easily fix it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:12, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Hmm, actually, it doesn't seem to affect the spacing of text around it:
<blockquote>
Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. {{User:GardenBoy/sig}} Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country. Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.
</blockquote>
:::::So, I think you're good to go — nice work! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:19, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
::::::Ooh, last suggestion: if you want to make it so that the underlines don't stick out of the sigbox, you could change it to
::::::[[User:GardenBoy|'''G''' a r d e n '''B''' o y]] {[[User talk:GardenBoy|'''T'''alk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Gardenboy|'''E'''dits]]}
::::::which looks like it should fit:
::::::{{sigbox raw|1=[[User:GardenBoy|'''G''' a r d e n '''B''' o y]] {[[User talk:GardenBoy|'''T'''alk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Gardenboy|'''E'''dits]]}}}
::::::Hope that helps, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:27, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I really apreciate it. a-pree-kee-ate. Whatever.-{{User:GardenBoy/sig}} 22:31, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== E-Doughnut ==

Remember when you told me the song from Happy Dethemberween was gonna be the Quote of the Week. You said "I bet you one e-doughnut it's gonna be the Quote of the Week." BONK! You owe me 1 e-doughnut.--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]] 21:43, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

:But we haven't gotten a new Quote of the Week yet! I realize we might not get one this week, but if the next one they publish is not the Happy Dethemberween song, I will hold true to my promised e-doughnut :D {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:08, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Userbox instructions ==
Hey Trey, sorry to bother you again, but is there a page with instructions on making userboxes, or whatever those "This user is a slice of pie" things are? Thanks in advance, -{{User:GardenBoy/sig}} 22:13, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:Yup: check out [[HRWiki:Userbox]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:15, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
::How do I keep missing these things? Also, I just read your welcome text and ''my'' birthday is April 15th too! How weird is that? Thanks again. -{{User:GardenBoy/sig}} 22:21, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Ha — happy Tax Day! By the way, I thought of one last suggestion to make your sig perfectly adherent to the size regulations ([[#Help a Newbie?|see above]]). Laters! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:27, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

== Signature (Lux Acerbus) ==
Hey, seein' as how you're a sysop, I'm hoping you can figure out what's wrong with my sig. First of all, the nowrap command or whatever it is that keeps my sig from breaking up into two lines seems to be making it push it outside the border of discussion pages [http://i125.photobucket.com/albums/p70/LuxAcerbus/HRWiki.jpg like so]. In addition, the timestamp keeps showing up in one of those weird little blue boxes with the dotted line around it instead of the usual plain text fashion. I don't know what the crap I did, but if you have any suggestions, I'd much appreciate it. Thanks! {{User:Lux Acerbus/sig}} 03:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

:I {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Lux_Acerbus/sig&diff=533436&oldid=532574 fixed}} the second of the two issues you mentioned (there was a missing <nowiki></nowiki> tag at the end of it). I'll look into the first issue (the border violation problem) and see if I can figure anything out. (Though maybe fixing the one issue fixed that one as well). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:23, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

::Okay, I figured it out. The reason that's happening is the "--" you put before your signatures. If you put the -- inside the no-wrap tag, like this:
<pre><nowiki>--...</nowiki></pre>
::then you won't see your signature bleed over the edge like that. I'm not sure if you want it to be part of your signature or not, but at any rate, that's where the problem is. But unless it really bothers you, I wouldn't worry about it: it's not a policy violation or anything. Hope that helps! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:54, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

== WANTED ==

You still need to give me an e-doughnut. You have '''3''' days from January 15.--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]][[Image:bowler derby.PNG|20px]] 23:37, 15 January 2008 (UTC)
:<nowiki>*</nowiki>sigh* You're right. Okay, [[User talk:Onestop#e-doughnut|here]] it is. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 11:10, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

== Oop? ==

You removed my vote? I thought non-users could vote. I'm a user on the fanstuff. Why can't I use that account? It'd be nice if I could. I don't really want to get an account here, 'cause I'm not gunna be editing stuff much here. Still Ben, Ben. ([[User:70.54.13.39|70.54.13.39]] 17:45, 22 January 2008 (UTC))

:Nope, unfortunately only logged-in users may vote. From [[HRWiki:STUFF#instructions]], in the "Notes about voting" section:
<blockquote>
You must be logged in when you vote. Votes cast by anonymous users do not count, and your vote will be deleted, even if you have an account. If you do not have an account, take a second to [[Special:Userlogin|create one]]. It won't bite you.
</blockquote>
:So, unfortunately, if you want to vote, you'll have to create an account over here. It's okay if you don't plan to use it for anything else. Hope that helps, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:50, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

== Trey, my main man, my ace in the hole, I'm gonna level with you. ==

I have been tinkering around with my sig for about a weeks now, and I'm still having a small issue that the Help page isn't fixing: I would really like the images on either side of my name to link to my Talk and Contributions, respectively. Even using your sig as a model, what ends up happening is it says <nowiki>{{image}}</nowiki> in the external link blue.[[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]]. I came to you because solving promblems seems to be something you're especially good at. I thank you in advance for your time and patience with me. {{User:Flashfight/sig}} 16:37, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

:Hey there. Yeah, this can be tricky. Fortunately, there's now a cool template that does this for you: {{tl|imagelink}}. To use it, type <code><nowiki>{{imagelink|link=PAGENAME|image=FULL_IMAGE_URL}}</nowiki></code>, replacing "PAGENAME" with the wiki page you want to link to (e.g., "User talk:Flashfight") and replacing "FULL_IMAGE_URL" with the full URL of the image you want to link to (e.g., <nowiki>http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/4/4d/Flashfight_Medal_Green.PNG/12px-Flashfight_Medal_Green.PNG</nowiki>) To get the URL for the small version of the image, just right-click on it and pick "Open image in new window", or whatever the option's called.

:Hope that helps, and let me know if you have any other questions! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:28, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::Ok, everything seems to be working well, the only promblem is that I can't get the URL for the thumbnail of either picture (thanks for the URL of the medal...helped a lot). I'm using FireFox if that's relevant. When I right click on the thumbnail of the Cheat Commando, but it's just taking to the Upload log page, not the thumbnail page that the URL you gave. And I think you again for your patience. {{User:Flashfight/sig}} 18:19, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Hmm... some sort of "open image in a new window" option should come up if you right-click (or CTRL+click on a Mac), but in case it doesn't work out for you, here's the URL for the other image: <code><nowiki>http://www.hrwiki.org/images/thumb/b/be/Flashfight.PNG/19px-Flashfight.PNG</nowiki></code> — Hope that helps! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 19:50, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::::Ok, it was the "open in new window" thing...I've got it, thanks 1*10^10 {{User:Flashfight/sig}} 20:36, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::No problem. And it looks like the links are working — good work! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:54, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

== Telltale banned from the forums here ==

Heya, I was wondering if you have the power or the connections to unban the Telltale offices from the HR Wiki Forums. Not sure how that happened, but we're all looking forward to reading about our game :) The IP is 208.106.40.170. some of us have been using tunnels or alternate public IPs to get around it, but that's less than ideal. --[[User:Tabacco|Tabacco]] 21:41, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

:I've notified the people who can possibly do something about this, so hopefully it's easily fixable. I'll let you know as soon as I find out more. By the way, the game looks great, and I'm loving all the inside references in the trailer! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:46, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

::Woo thanks! The new stuff that we haven't quite gotten around to getting online should (hopefully) be equally entertaining. --[[User:Tabacco|Tabacco]] 21:54, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

::: Well that was quick. Looks like we're in! --[[User:Tabacco|Tabacco]] 21:55, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

::: [Edit conflict] I've unblocked the IP. I can't find any information as to why it was blocked in the first place. Cheers. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:55, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

:::Great! Let us know if you need anything else, and keep up the good work! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:56, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

== User talk page blanking ==
Trey, the edit on my user talk was me, I just forgot to log in. I'm simply cleaning it out, ok? But thanks for your concern, [[User:Chipwich]][[User:Chipwich|Chipwich]] 23:01, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

:Okay, no problem. Just making sure somebody wasn't going around blanking your page. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:24, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Excellence in Discussion. ==

[[Image:Flashfight Medal Blue.png|thumb|Be proud, you earned it!]]

Trey, it is my esteemed honor to award you with this, the second [[User:Flashfight#Barnstar_for_Excellence_in_Discussion| Medal for Excellence in Discussion]]! There are few people on The Wiki as committed to consensus building as you, but that is not the primary reason for your awardation. Over the year or so that I have been contributing, I have seen no one as patient or understanding with new users as yourself. Truly, it is your calm, level-headed discourse that serves as the model for civility in Talk Pages. When so many of us fall into unfortunate patterns of edit-wars and frustration, it seems that there are few who seem to conduct themselves with more tact and professionalism than you. It is an honor to award you this small token of my appreciation for keeping our little Knowledge Base a little more civil.
{{User:Flashfight/sig}}

:Wow, thanks a lot! That's nice of you :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:21, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

==Thanks For the Welcome!==

It makes a nice change to turn up at a wiki and get the feeling you're in an actual community, not an nedlesscluster of faceless ones. :P Beleive me, thoguh, I'm not that experienced - I mostly footer about on the edge of things to hide my poor wiki markup ski11z. I cheated my way through the double redirects. :)
Seriously thoguh, thanks again, and i'llsee you around.
[[User:Scanna|Scanna]] 05:48, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

:No problem :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 05:53, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

== You are an okay guy ==

Dear Trey, I just wanted to stop by and remind you of what an okay guy you are. I mean that sincerely. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:09, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

:Thanks — and also with you :) (for reals) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:22, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
== Put them back please ==
Okay, if I use to many tags, could you fix them? Or teach me how? I didn't know how that would kill anyone, and I STILL DIDN'T WRITE DEM DOWWN!!! GRRR!
Little heart, [[User: MichaelXX2|MichaelXX2]]
:Okay, here's what you do:
:#Look at {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:MichaelXX2&diff=563354&oldid=563345 my edit}} of your user page to see what templates I removed. The templates are the ones that appear in double curly braces, like {{t|SBCG4AP}}.
:#Go to the corresponding template page by typing "Template:" and the name of the template in the search bar (e.g. [[Template:SBCG4AP]]).
:#When you get to that page, click "edit" to view the source. Highlight and copy all the stuff in between <nowiki>{|</nowiki> and <nowiki>|}</nowiki>. In most cases, this will give you the template without any of the categories.
:#Paste that where desired on your userpage.
:#Check the very bottom of your saved userpage to make sure that there are no categories listed.
:Hope that helps, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:52, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

==Comedic timing==

What is comedic timing?personally i thimk it is onl significant fotr developing coach Zee but whatever. Talk at you later ME [[User:Physicsguymonsterman|Physicsguymonsterman]] 16:39, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:Comedic timing are pauses and little nuances that made when trying make a joke, or be funny. It's like the short pause between the false statement and ...NOT! in Not! Jokes. Without them, it's very hard to be funny. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:09, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

::Yeah, I guess you're commenting on the last sentence I wrote in the [[HRWiki:Featured article for 2008, week 20|FA writeup]] for [[A Jorb Well Done]]. Comedic timing is one of the things that sticks out to me when I watch the toon, but I suppose it's debatable. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:31, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

==Didn't mean to cramp your [[Style]]==
Sorry, I didn't notice that you're the official Dev Blog picture uploader. :) -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 03:14, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

H*R.com updates 2008

DAGRON — Thu, 15 May 2008 03:01:12 GMT

DAGRON: New Dev Blog

{{updates-box}}
This is a log of all of the '''updates''' to '''[[Homestar Runner (body of work)|H*R.com]]''' during '''2008'''.

==Wednesday, May 14, 2008==
*[[SBCG4AP Dev Blog]]: [[SBCG4AP Dev Blog#The Endinning of the End|The Endinning of the End]]

==Monday, May 12, 2008==
*[[Teen Girl Squad]]: [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 14|Issue 14]]

==Thursday, May 8, 2008==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2008-05-08|"Verify our range to target! Flood tubes three and four! Hunt for Red October!"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff 2008#WF-2008-05-08|strong badia playset]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook 2008#SK-2008-05-08|You take the big guy]]
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[slumber party]]

==Wednesday, May 7, 2008==
*[[SBCG4AP Dev Blog]]: [[SBCG4AP Dev Blog#Logos Please|Logos Please]]
==Monday, May 5, 2008==
*[[Workin' on the Game]]

==Friday, May 2, 2008==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2008-05-02|"Double S here's about to go on his first date with a member of the opposite per-suasion."]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff 2008#WF-2008-05-02|vinyl toy bubs mod]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook 2008#SK-2008-05-02|matt aseep on plane]]

==Thursday, May 1, 2008==
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[pizza joint]]

==Tuesday, April 29, 2008==
*[[Store]]: [[Store Front Page News 2008#April 29, 2008|Nebulon T-Shirt]]

==Saturday, April 26, 2008==
*[[Interviews and Public Appearances]]: [[ROFLCon - 26 Apr 2008|ROFLCon]]

==Thursday, April 24, 2008==
*[[SBCG4AP Dev Blog]]: [[SBCG4AP Dev Blog#New Screenshots!|New Screenshots!]]
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2008-04-24|"I rule the school!"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff 2008#WF-2008-04-24|toga yoga bubs mosaic]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook 2008#SK-2008-04-24|plucky parameciums]]
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[bike thief]]

==Monday, April 21, 2008==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #194: [[specially marked]]
*[[Scroll Button Song]]: [[Scroll Button Songs#SB-2008-04-21|"You've never seen anything quite like these buttons! Come on, y'all, give me a little scroll lovin'!"]]

==Thursday, April 17, 2008==
*[[SBCG4AP Dev Blog]]: [[SBCG4AP Dev Blog#Anadigilogital|Anadigilogital]]
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2008-04-17|"A-can I get a reSTRIC-TED?!"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff 2008#WF-2008-04-17|bear holding a shark feva]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook 2008#SK-2008-04-17|proposed stinkoman level 10 baddies]]
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[original]]

==Monday, April 14, 2008==
*[[Short]]: [[The Homestar Runner Gets Something Stuck In His Craw]]
*[[Interviews and Public Appearances]]: [[IGN Interview - 14 April 2008|IGN Interview]]

==Friday, April 11, 2008==
*[[Main Pages]] copyright date changed from 2007 to 2008 (except for [[Main Page 24|"20/200"]] main page).

==Thursday, April 10, 2008==
*[[SBCG4AP Dev Blog]]: [[SBCG4AP Dev Blog#Nobody Listens to Strong Bandrew|Nobody Listens to Strong Bandrew]]
*[[Main Page Message]]: ''wiiware game!''
*Short: [[SBCG4AP Advertisement]]
*[[Main Page Message]]: ''[[Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People|game news soon]]''

==Monday, April 7, 2008==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #193: [[rated]]
*[[Main Page Message]]: ''[[Limozeen Live! - 27 Mar 2008|limozeen show]] online''

==Thursday, April 3, 2008==
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[hygiene]]

==Tuesday, April 1, 2008==
*YouTube short: [[Strong Bad Gameways]]
*[[Store]]: [[Store Front Page News 2008#April 1, 2008|Limozeen T-shirt]]

==Monday, March 31, 2008==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #192: [[shapeshifter]]

==Saturday, March 29, 2008==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2008-03-29|"I do believe you've spic'd my span."]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff 2008#WF-2008-03-29|TGS Supcakes]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook 2008#SK-2008-03-29|rejected commandos?]]

==Thursday, March 27, 2008==
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[concert]]

==Monday, March 24, 2008==
*[[Toons#Shorts|Short]]: [[Rotten Eggs]]

==Thursday, March 20, 2008==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2008-03-20|"Bomb Capacity Increased!"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff 2008#WF-2008-03-20|ees deg!]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook 2008#SK-2008-03-20|cakemonger!]]
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[mini-golf]]

==Tuesday, March 18, 2008==
*[[Store]]: [[Store Front Page News 2008#March 18, 2008|Easter egg sale]]

==Monday, March 17, 2008==
*[[Toons#Shorts|Short]]: [[Limozeen Live!]]
*[[Main Page message]]: ''limozeen live!''

==Thursday, March 13, 2008==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2008-03-13|"Thar she blows the Cheat! Aim for the blow hole!"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff 2008#WF-2008-03-13|trogdor smash bros level]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook 2008#SK-2008-03-13|awesome indeed]]
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[the paper]]

==Monday, March 10, 2008==
*[[Toons#Shorts|Short]]: [[Blubb-O's Commercial]]

==Friday, March 7, 2008==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2008-03-07|"Yah guys! Maybe find some coin!"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff 2008#WF-2008-03-07|StrongBadGirlSquadstume]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook 2008#SK-2008-03-07|best bubs worst bubs]]

==Thursday, March 6, 2008==
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[more armies]]

==Monday, March 3, 2008==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #191: [[buried]]
*[[Store]]: [[Store T-Shirts#tshirt_pizz|The Pizz T-shirt]]

==Friday, February 29, 2008==
*[[Store]]: [[Non-Sequitur Champion]]

==Thursday, February 28, 2008==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2008-02-28|"Oh. Uh... I'm a public flasher!"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff 2008#WF-2008-02-28|trogdor ice sculpture]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook 2008#SK-2008-02-28|puddin patch friends]]
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[underlings]]

==Monday, February 25, 2008==
*[[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]: [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 15.2|Version 15.2]]

==Thursday, February 21, 2008==
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[rough copy]]

==Tuesday, February 19, 2008==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #190: [[licensed]]

==Monday, February 18, 2008==
*[[Main Page message]]: ''email soon''

==Thursday, February 14, 2008==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2008-02-14|"As I was saying, Vamlumtimes Day is serious times. If I don't get cards from enough boys, I could lose all my Mindy cred!"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff 2008#WF-2008-02-14|on a sign in laos]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook 2008#SK-2008-02-14|the cheat relatives?]]
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[from work]]

==Tuesday, February 12, 2008==
*[[Store]]: [[Homsar]] is the non-sequitur [[Store Front Page News 2008#February 12, 2008|champion]]!

==Monday, February 11, 2008==
*[[Old-Timey]] [[Holidays|Holiday Toon]]: [[Sickly Sam's Big Outing]]
*[[Store]]: New [[Store Other 2-D Stuff#Patches|patches]]

==Thursday, February 7, 2008==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2008-02-07|"Alright, The Sneak, watch me toss these creepity crawlities through the window like I was Edgardo J. Sportsman himself!"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff 2008#WF-2008-02-07|i beat the cube!]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook 2008#SK-2008-02-07|questionable body hair]]
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[your funeral]]

==Monday, February 4, 2008==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #189: [[pet show]]

==Sunday, February 3, 2008==
*[[Holidays|Holiday Toon]]: [[sloshybowl]]

==Thursday, January 31, 2008==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2008-01-31|"Carageenan, Monteljohn. Can you detect me to the nearest bus stamp?"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff 2008#WF-2008-01-31|big ol' trogdor plush]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook 2008#SK-2008-01-31|gel-arshie]]
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[the movies]]

==Tuesday, January 29, 2008==
*[[Store]]: [[Store Front Page News 2008#January 29, 2008|Senor Cardgage and Homsar sale]]

==Monday, January 28, 2008==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #188: [[fan club]]
*[[Downloads]]: Poopsmith [[Wallpaper]]

==Thursday, January 24, 2008==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2008-01-24|"I'M AN ABOMINATION! And I'm comin' to your house after school."]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff 2008#WF-2008-01-24|awesome 3d poopsmith]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook 2008#SK-2008-01-24|buck webb & lady fan]]
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[unnatural]]

==Monday, January 21, 2008==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #187: [[winter pool]]
*[[Index page]] back to normal

==Friday, January 18, 2008==
*[[Store]]: Footer changed to [[Store#Store Footer|winter]] theme.

==Thursday, January 17, 2008==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2008-01-17|"Mmmmm! Drink in that bun!"]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff 2008#WF-2008-01-17|pretend he's parson jim]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook 2008#SK-2008-01-17|make sense time!]]
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[strong badathlon]]

==Monday, January 14, 2008==
*[[Holidays|Holiday Toon]]: [[Trogday 08]]
*[[Store]]: [[Store T-Shirts#tshirt_fivedor|Five-dor T-shirt]]
*[[Store]]: [[Store Front Page News 2008#January 14, 2008|Trogdor sale]]
*[[Downloads]]: Trogdor [[Wallpaper]]

==Sunday, January 13, 2008==
*[[Trogdor]]-style [[index page]]

==Thursday, January 10, 2008==
*[[Quote of the Week]]: [[Quote of the Week#QW-2008-01-10|"I'm pretty sure that's just Strong Mad absconding with Bob's conces-- Bob's...that's just Strong Mad absconding with Bubs' constesh-- constession stand."]]
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]]: [[Weekly Fanstuff 2008#WF-2008-01-10|cut paper snowflake]]
*[[Sketchbook]]: [[Sketchbook 2008#SK-2008-01-10|d'th'ween thupreme]]
*[[Main Page Message]]: ''[[Podstar Runner|podcasts]] are back!''
*[[Podstar Runner]]: [[looking old]]
*[[Podstar Runner|podcast]] re-added to the [[navbar]]

==Monday, January 7, 2008==
*[[Strong Bad Email]] #186: [[environment]]
*[[Main Page message]]: ''[[Podstar Runner|podcast]] returns thursday''

==Friday, January 4, 2008==
*[[Store]]: [[Store Front Page News 2008#January 4, 2008|Coming soon... A Burnination Celebration]]
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DAGRON — Thu, 15 May 2008 02:58:38 GMT

DAGRON: new ev blog

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====May 14, 2008====
*{{u|game}} [[SBCG4AP Dev Blog]]: [[SBCG4AP Dev Blog#The Endinning of the End|The Endinning of the End]] [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-8 read]
*{{u|game}} [[SBCG4AP]] episode announced: [[Homestar Ruiner]] [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/homestarruinergameplay/ watch]

====May 12, 2008====
*{{u|tgs}} [[Teen Girl Squad]]: [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 14|Issue 14]] {{watch|tgs14.html}}

====May 8, 2008====
*{{u|qotw}} [[Quote of the Week]]: "Verify our range to target! Flood tubes three and four! Hunt for Red October!"
*{{u|fs}} [[Weekly Fanstuff]]: strong badia playset
*{{u|sk}} [[Sketchbook]]: You take the big guy
*{{u|ps}} [[Podstar Runner]]: [[slumber party]]

====May 7, 2008====
*{{u|game}} [[SBCG4AP Dev Blog]]: [[SBCG4AP Dev Blog#Logos Please|Logos Please]] [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-8 read]

====May 5, 2008====
*{{u|game}} [[Workin' on the Game]] {{watch|gamework.html}}

====April 29, 2008====
*{{u|cs}} [[Store]]: [[HRStore:nebulonbnewb.html|Nebulon shirt]]

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SBCG4AP Dev Blog

DAGRON — Thu, 15 May 2008 02:55:01 GMT

DAGRON: /* Blog Entries */

<div align="right">[http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/ read]</div>
[[Image:Dev Blog logo.png|thumb|300px|From the desk of Strong Bad.]]

[[Strong Bad]] regularly updates a '''Developer's Blog''' on the [[Telltale Games]] website to promote ''[[Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People]]''.

== Blog Entries ==

{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! Image !! Date !! Title !! Description !! Currently Playing:
|-id="The Endinning of The End"
| [[Image:Sbdev rhonda.jpg|100px]]|| 14 May 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-8 '''The Endinning of the End'''] || Strong Bad hates the French horn. || "''[[Wikipedia:Lost Eden|Lost Eden]]'' (the dinosaurs look REAL!)"
|-id="Logos Please"
| [[Image:Sbdev logos.jpg|100px]] || 7 May 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-7 '''Logos Please'''] || Strong Bad discusses how video game success is proportional to the number of logos before the title screen. || "''[[Wikipedia:Trojan (video game)|Trojan]]'' (they still have cartoon sticks of TNT in the post-apocalyptic future!)"
|-id="New Screenshots!"
|[[Image:DevBlog042408.png|100px]] || 24 Apr 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-6 '''New Screenshots!'''] || Strong Bad shows off some new screen shots of the upcoming game... that have been altered slightly. || [[Not X|Not]] [[Wikipedia:Paint (software)|MS Paint]]
|-id="Anadigilogital"
| [[Image:Sbdev mig29 front.jpg|100px]] || 17 Apr 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-5 '''Anadigilogital'''] || Strong Bad complains about the game's lack of box art and dipswitches. || "[[Wikipedia:Star Wars: Rebel Assault|''Rebel Assault 1'']] (from a time when nasty looking full motion video was the future of gaming!)"
|-id="Nobody Listens to Strong Bandrew"
| [[Image:Puzzmaster.jpg|100px]] || 10 Apr 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-4 '''Nobody Listens to Strong Bandrew'''] || Strong Bad decries the Telltale Team's rejection of his game ideas. || "[http://www.gamespot.com/nes/action/wagyanland/index.html ''Wagyan Land''] (the end boss is a word game!)"
|-
|}

== Fun Facts ==

=== 24 Apr 2008 ===
*Strong Bad alters a screenshot from the game and claims that it's a dating sim featuring [[Wikipedia:Kate Pierson|Kate Pierson]] of the B-52's.
*One of Strong Bad's fake screencaps reveals that Homestar's innards are filled with "Strawberry Quik". "Quik" was the original name of [[Wikipedia:Nestlé|Nestlé]]'s flavored milk drink [[Wikipedia:Nesquik|Nesquik]].
*Strong Bad claims to launch a "heat-seeking [[Wikipedia:Three Stooges|3-Stooges]] eye-poker missile" in his game. The hallmark slapstick comedy of the Stooges often included eye-poking.

=== 17 Apr 2008 ===

*''[[Wikipedia:Mig 29 Soviet Fighter|Mig 29 Soviet Fighter]]'' is an unlicensed game for the [[Nintendo#NES|NES]]. The switch on the back of the game triggers a [http://kevtris.org/mappers/lockout/camerica.html voltage spike] intended to temporarily disable the NES's [[Wikipedia:10NES|lock-out chip]] so that the unlicensed game can be played on an official console.
*Strong Bad [[Strong Bad's Spelling|uses "it's" in place of "its"]] even though he considers people who do this to be [[local news|scalawags]].

=== 10 Apr 2008 ===

*The blocky 3D Strong Bad head in the [[Wikipedia:Sudoku|sudoku]] puzzmaster picture is most likely a reference to [[Wikipedia:Dr. Kawashima|Dr. Kawashima's]] representation in the [[Wikipedia:Brain Age|Brain Age]] series, which included sudoku in the North American version of its first installment. Dr. Kawashima's head also sometimes used an expression similar to Strong Bad's in the game.
**[[Wikipedia:NPR|NPR]]'s program [[Wikipedia:Weekend Edition|Weekend Edition Sunday]] includes a weekly segment with [[Wikipedia:Will Shortz|Will Shortz]], puzzle constructor (including [http://nymag.com/arts/all/features/17244/ Sudoku]), [[Wikipedia:The New York Times|New York Times]] puzzle editor, and referred to by NPR as the "[http://www.npr.org/templates/people/?typeId=1#S Puzzlemaster]".
*Strong Bad's idea of a "flame cubicle" in the Telltale offices gets "[[SBLOUNSKCHED!]]"
*The title makes a reference to the book [http://www.amazon.com/Nobody-Listens-Andrew-Elizabeth-Guilfoile/dp/0590093185 ''Nobody Listens to Andrew''].

== See Also ==
*[[Strong Sad's Lament]]

==External Links ==
*[http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/ Read Strong Bad's Dev Blog]

{{SBCG4AP}}

File:Sbdev rhonda.jpg

DAGRON — Thu, 15 May 2008 02:53:51 GMT

DAGRON: Picture from May 14 Dev Blog

== Summary ==
Picture from May 14 [[Dev Blog]]
== Licensing ==
{{web-screenshot}}

SBCG4AP Dev Blog

DAGRON — Thu, 15 May 2008 02:51:54 GMT

DAGRON: /* Blog Entries */ New Dev Blog?

<div align="right">[http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/ read]</div>
[[Image:Dev Blog logo.png|thumb|300px|From the desk of Strong Bad.]]

[[Strong Bad]] regularly updates a '''Developer's Blog''' on the [[Telltale Games]] website to promote ''[[Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People]]''.

== Blog Entries ==

{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! Image !! Date !! Title !! Description !! Currently Playing:
|-id="The Endinning of The End"
| || 14 May 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-8 '''The Endinning of the End'''] || Strong Bad hates the French horn || "''Lost Eden'' (the dinosaurs look REAL!)"
|-id="Logos Please"
| [[Image:Sbdev logos.jpg|100px]] || 7 May 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-7 '''Logos Please'''] || Strong Bad discusses how video game success is proportional to the number of logos before the title screen. || "''[[Wikipedia:Trojan (video game)|Trojan]]'' (they still have cartoon sticks of TNT in the post-apocalyptic future!)"
|-id="New Screenshots!"
|[[Image:DevBlog042408.png|100px]] || 24 Apr 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-6 '''New Screenshots!'''] || Strong Bad shows off some new screen shots of the upcoming game... that have been altered slightly. || [[Not X|Not]] [[Wikipedia:Paint (software)|MS Paint]]
|-id="Anadigilogital"
| [[Image:Sbdev mig29 front.jpg|100px]] || 17 Apr 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-5 '''Anadigilogital'''] || Strong Bad complains about the game's lack of box art and dipswitches. || "[[Wikipedia:Star Wars: Rebel Assault|''Rebel Assault 1'']] (from a time when nasty looking full motion video was the future of gaming!)"
|-id="Nobody Listens to Strong Bandrew"
| [[Image:Puzzmaster.jpg|100px]] || 10 Apr 2008 || [http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/id-4 '''Nobody Listens to Strong Bandrew'''] || Strong Bad decries the Telltale Team's rejection of his game ideas. || "[http://www.gamespot.com/nes/action/wagyanland/index.html ''Wagyan Land''] (the end boss is a word game!)"
|-
|}

== Fun Facts ==

=== 24 Apr 2008 ===
*Strong Bad alters a screenshot from the game and claims that it's a dating sim featuring [[Wikipedia:Kate Pierson|Kate Pierson]] of the B-52's.
*One of Strong Bad's fake screencaps reveals that Homestar's innards are filled with "Strawberry Quik". "Quik" was the original name of [[Wikipedia:Nestlé|Nestlé]]'s flavored milk drink [[Wikipedia:Nesquik|Nesquik]].
*Strong Bad claims to launch a "heat-seeking [[Wikipedia:Three Stooges|3-Stooges]] eye-poker missile" in his game. The hallmark slapstick comedy of the Stooges often included eye-poking.

=== 17 Apr 2008 ===

*''[[Wikipedia:Mig 29 Soviet Fighter|Mig 29 Soviet Fighter]]'' is an unlicensed game for the [[Nintendo#NES|NES]]. The switch on the back of the game triggers a [http://kevtris.org/mappers/lockout/camerica.html voltage spike] intended to temporarily disable the NES's [[Wikipedia:10NES|lock-out chip]] so that the unlicensed game can be played on an official console.
*Strong Bad [[Strong Bad's Spelling|uses "it's" in place of "its"]] even though he considers people who do this to be [[local news|scalawags]].

=== 10 Apr 2008 ===

*The blocky 3D Strong Bad head in the [[Wikipedia:Sudoku|sudoku]] puzzmaster picture is most likely a reference to [[Wikipedia:Dr. Kawashima|Dr. Kawashima's]] representation in the [[Wikipedia:Brain Age|Brain Age]] series, which included sudoku in the North American version of its first installment. Dr. Kawashima's head also sometimes used an expression similar to Strong Bad's in the game.
**[[Wikipedia:NPR|NPR]]'s program [[Wikipedia:Weekend Edition|Weekend Edition Sunday]] includes a weekly segment with [[Wikipedia:Will Shortz|Will Shortz]], puzzle constructor (including [http://nymag.com/arts/all/features/17244/ Sudoku]), [[Wikipedia:The New York Times|New York Times]] puzzle editor, and referred to by NPR as the "[http://www.npr.org/templates/people/?typeId=1#S Puzzlemaster]".
*Strong Bad's idea of a "flame cubicle" in the Telltale offices gets "[[SBLOUNSKCHED!]]"
*The title makes a reference to the book [http://www.amazon.com/Nobody-Listens-Andrew-Elizabeth-Guilfoile/dp/0590093185 ''Nobody Listens to Andrew''].

== See Also ==
*[[Strong Sad's Lament]]

==External Links ==
*[http://www.telltalegames.com/strongbad/devblog/ Read Strong Bad's Dev Blog]

{{SBCG4AP}}

HRWiki talk:Favicon

DAGRON — Thu, 15 May 2008 02:25:33 GMT

DAGRON: /* Ideas */

== Background ==

:''This discussion was originally on [[HRWiki talk:Logo redesign 2006]]''
There have been strong objects to using anything a logo that [[:Image:Logo Redesign Official Logo Homestar.png|resembles]] [[:Image:hrwlogoidea-fixed.png|the]] [[:Image:Logo Redesign Old New Star.gif|offical]] [[:Image:logo.png|Homestar Runner site logo]]. Here is a [[:Image:Official_style_logo.png|screen print]] of the QOTW page. You will notice 4 times where we've used the official h*r logo. #'s 2, 3, and 4 can be argued as legit because they do link the official site, but #1 (the icon at the top which also appears in your bookmarks) doesn't have anything to do with the official but our site. I propose that if so many people feel that we shouldn't be using the h*r logo, we also shouldn't be using it in the address bar of the browser. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 14:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:Well, the favicon doesn't stick out as much as the logo, and as you said, the rest are links to the official site. If we adopted the Homestarrunner logo as our logo, I think that that would just be intense copycatting. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 14:38, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
::Although I certainly don't see any reason that, once we get done with this, we don't turn our attention to a new favicon. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 14:44, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Definitely. We already addressed this briefly at the [[HRWiki:Da_Basement/Archive 7#favicon|original discussion]].{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:33, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:What's a favicon? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 23:00, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia:Favicon|favicon]] is what IRF circled a 1) in his screenshot.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:02, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Ah, I see. But that'll probably just change with whatever logo we end up picking, right? What's the use of having a logo and a favicon that look completely different from each other? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 23:11, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
::::I guess that's hard to answer until we've picked one, but the size differences might matter. A favicon has to be able to look good and be recognizable in very small dimensions. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::The favicon has doesn't match our current logo so it doesn't logically follow that it would change too. I think the onyl reason that it would change is all the recent discussion about the official logo. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 04:20, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::It would be, in my opinion, hypocritical not to change the favicon after the discussion about the official logo not being used in the logo. The favicon uses the H*R logo, which, according to many user's opinion's here, would be immoral. If you can't use it in the logo, then you shouldn't be able to associate the official logo with any other part of the Wiki itself, including the favicon. So I think it HAS to be changed if the majority of user's believe you can't use the H*R logo in the Wiki logo. I'd find it hard to argue that point.{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:33, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::So everybody stop talking and make something. It need not match whatever we go with for our big logo. Also, we will use variations of it at the fanstuff and forum, so keep that in mind. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:51, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Idc, I tried for an hour last friday to find the actual graphic for the favicon, so that I could study it in terms of dimensions, pixel size, and how it look when enlarged. If I could find the graphic file, I would be glad to propose favicons. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:43, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::The file is at [http://www.hrwiki.org/favicon.ico favicon.ico] for nearly all websites. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 19:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::The image displayed by most browsers is 16×16 pixels. Ideas do not need to be in any particular format. We'll handle the technical details of converting it and whatnot. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:51, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:Some ideas are as follows. [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/homestar.jpg Homestar's Head] looks nice as an icon. Also, [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/homestar2.jpg With a background color] and [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/starshirtico.jpg starshirt red]. It's rather difficult to accomplish written text in a 16x16 space, these are the most legible and pleasing designs I could come up with.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 05:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
::I like the idea of the favicon matching the logo in style. If we pick either of my two favorite logos, [[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Current_Updated|Current Updated]] or [[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Current_Updated|World]], then I would suggest that we use for the favicon Homestar's head against the blue Kamikaze background or Homestar standing against the globe, respectively (no words in either case). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:46, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Trey I'm not sure that you realize how hard that is to do in 16x16. I'm surprised that we can read hrw in our current favicon. I tried to make a few but even the simple were very non-readable. If we are to make a favicon that matches the logo that will have to be on talented dude or dudett. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 04:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::::Well, I had actually done a couple ''very'' rough mock-ups before I posed the above comment; and while they looked small, those things ''always'' look small, unless you have an exceedingly simple graphic... I hear you though. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::How about just a W a-la Wikipedia, but in the same font of the chosen logo? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::Now that we're zeroing in on the "Current Updated" ideas for the logo, I propose that the favicon be Homestar's torso and head in front of the kamikaze background, like the following one: [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Favicon.png]] (perhaps with some formatting). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:13, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

==Discussion of specific options==

===Current===
[[Image:Current Favicon.png]] {{clear}}
The only problem with this one (to many users) is that it includes the Homesar Runner official logo. (see [[HRWiki talk:Logo redesign 2006#Official Logo with Green Wiki|here]] for a representive snapshot of some objections to this.) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:52, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

===Homestar Head===
[[Image:Homestar Head Favicon.jpg]] {{clear}}

===Homestar Head Blue===
[[Image:Homestar Head Blue Favicon.jpg]] {{clear}}

===Kamikaze===
[[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Favicon.png|Wiki]] [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Red Favicon.png|Forum]] [[Image:SB Kamikaze Favicon.png|Fanstuff]] [[Image:The Homestar Runner Favicon.png|Old]] [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Green Favicon.png|Chat]] (spares: [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Orange Favicon.png|Spare]] [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Purple Favicon.png|Spare]] [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Grey Favicon.png|Spare]] [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Yellow Favicon.png|Spare]]){{clear}}

[[Image:Sample Screenshot with Kamikaze Favicons 1.png|thumb|A FireFox window with several tabs open]]
[[Image:Sample Screenshot with Kamikaze Favicons 2.png|thumb|A Safari window with favicons in a drop-down menu]]

This one was made with the intention of matching the two likely replacements for our current logo: [[:Image:Logo Redesign Current Updated b.gif|Current Updated B]] and [[:Image:Logo Redesign Current Updated c.gif|Current Updated C]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:52, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

:I kind of like this one. And since our logo is definitely going to resemble this anyway, I say we should go for it. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 20:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
::Yeah, I really like this one, it, like Lapper said, it is what the logo is going to look like.--{{User:H*bad/sig}} 20:23, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
:::To be honest, I don't have any problems with our current icon. But if we're going to change, the blue Homestar kamikaze has my vote. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 15:32, 2 December 2006
::::If we were to use this for the regular wiki, then, as the project page indicates, we should change the Fanstuff Wiki and Forum favicons as well. Posted below the heading are analogous favicons that could be used for the Forum and Fanstuff. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::I truly like all of these, but, if we're choosing one of the three for the knowledge base, I'd choose one of the Homestars. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 02:15, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::Is it possible to have a different favicon for the forum and fanstuff? I think that you set one for the entire website and then all of the sub-whatevers get it too. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 02:18, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::It's possible to have different favicons for each '''page'''. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 02:21, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::To clarify, these icons are being presented as a set, not individually. If we don't go with this idea, then anything else we do go with needs to be a set. And yes, as mentioned, we can have different favicons for different subdomains. Oh, and I remembered two other subdomains we have that could be in the set: old.hrwiki.org (perhaps The Homestar Runner against a gray kamakazi background) and chat.hrwiki.org. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::I made up favicons with a few different backgrounds (see above) in case they're wanted for various different subdomains. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 13:33, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::Oh, you said '''The''' Homestar Runner...I'll try that...(see above) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 19:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::Great work Trey, any chance you can do one with an open mouth Homestar? Just interested to see what it would look like that small, I'd rather have the Favicon match the chosen logo if possible (so lets see what both options look like. The only other one I would try if I had the software would be one of these with a W included within the design. All that said, I think the various colors (and The Homestar Runner) all work really well. - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 23:51, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::Sure: [[Image:Homestar Grinning Favicon.png]]. I'm not sure if I like it, for some reason it looks like he's swallowing scorpions or something when it's that small... anyway, thanks for the feedback :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I concur, Last Place *ding* . . . at that size it's not clear enough. Thanks for humoring me, I figured someone sometime would bring it up, so figured I might just as well ask now. - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 13:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Yeah, if the "grinning Homestar" logo is ultimately chosen, then it sure would make sense to have the favicon match that one. Maybe I can try again, this time with less scorpion... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::If you have too much "scorpion" in there, you might as well just pick the one with his mouth closed, seeing as the logo might permanently alternate. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 13:42, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Yeah, I'm waiting to see how the logo discussion turns out before doing anything else. In my opinion, the only reason we'd have to worry about making an open-mouthed favicon is if C alone is chosen (which is a very realistic possibility). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:03, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::I personally don't like either [the open- or closed-mouth choices] as a favicon. I think the favicon could do without the kamikaze background. {{User:Salty/sig}} 04:45, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
[[Image:Favicon background comparison.png]]
:Here's a comparison of different background brightnesses for some proposed favicons. The top row is the B-style, the second row is the C-style, and the third row is the SB-style. The first column matches the background of the proposed logos, and as you move right, the brightness of the background increases. Any preferences? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:30, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
::I like closed-mouth Homestar, second from the left. I like the Strong Bad that's second from the right. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
:::I agree and updated [[:Image:Homestar Kamikaze Favicon.png]] and [[:Image:SB Kamikaze Favicon.png]] accordingly. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:15, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

=== Homestar Mouth Open, No Background ===
[[Image:hrfaviconopen.png]]
I think the favicon would look better without the background. {{User:Salty/sig}} 20:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

:I uploaded a version with the background removed around Homestar's edges — I think this one suffers from the same clarity issues as the open-mouthed favicon above. Also, I think it's good to have a background for Homestar's white head to stand out against in the address bar. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:39, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

===Star Shirt===
[[Image:Star Shirt Favicon.jpg]] {{clear}}

== Other Ideas ==

Like I suggested above, can someone please create a W favicon in the same font as the new logo? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:20, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

== Will It Change? ==

Is this discussion still going on? The logo is now C, but the favicon hasn't changed. Are we still going to change it? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 12:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
:I still think that we should change it to match the new logo — but whether we change will probably depend on other users giving input. If everybody's okay with the status quo, then by default we'll probably just stick with the current favicon. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:32, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
::This thing got like ''no'' publicity ''at all''. Everyone knew about the logo thing because the template came up every time they went to Recent Changes. If we could make this known, maybe more people would give us some input. The only problem is that...aren't we all kind of tired of this? We just had the whole logo discussion and I don't think everyone's up to another big ordeal, though this wouldn't have to be as much of one. Maybe we should just inform the admins and let them decide? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 04:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I think you hit the nail on the head, Brightstar — after the logo redesign and the Halloween and Decemberween skin changes, I think everybody (myself included) had their fill of site design deliberations for a while. Despite this ambivalence, it looks like the above Kamikaze option has about 6 1/2 supporters, 1/2 neutral users, and 1 opponent. Hardly an overwhelming response from all the registered users who would see the favicon, but certainly the majority of those that both were aware of this discussion and cared enough to comment.

So, we could let this discussion fade like [[Talk:Homestar Runner (body of work)#Homestar Runner (What the heck is it?)|others]], but I think it's worth completing for the following reasons: (a) at one point, there were quite a few users who strongly believed that we shouldn't use the official logo as part of our own, (b) it makes sense to have the big logo and favicon match each other, at least in style, and (c) it would be a nice tool to have different icons representing the different subdomains for users who have several tabs open at once.

If we're going to complete the discussion, here are the main questions that I think need to be answered (I'm operating under the assumption that the Kamikaze icon set is the only widely supported option right now):

#How much more awareness of this conversation does the general population need to have before a change is made?
#How many more users' agreement does this decision require before a change is made?

If those two questions are answered and the corresponding quotas satisfied, then I think that all that remains is to make minor tweaks to the proposed set and then implement them. But if there are enough users who are satisfied with the status quo, having that on record would be a fine outcome to this discussion as well. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:37, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
:::I think that some key users, such as the sysops and people at the forum and fanstuff, should absolutely be notified of the issue here as well as most of the general public via a message at the main page. If we changed the favicon and almost nobody knew about it, it would cause an uproar of posts such as, "Wut happend 2 teh thing in duh browzer?!?!!!!111!!one", and we don't want that. As for how many users we need input from, well it certainly needs to be more than eight people, but I'm thinking about twenty or so. That includes the forum and fanstuff. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 17:31, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

== The Other One That Needs To Be Revisited ==

Now that [[HRWiki:Article cleanup]] is rolling and other people are starting to take an interest in it, I think I'll come over here and kickstart ''this'' long-forgotten project. As you guys should know, the favicon (that little picture to the left of the URL in your browser) needs to be changed because of legal reasons (it resembles the H*R official logo too much). This discussion came up during the long and hectic logo redesign period, where it was quickly forgotten. I think we have everything we need to carry this out; all that has to happen is decide whether the choices above are truly the right favicons, inform the people at the forum and fantuff and get their approval, then go for it! What do you say? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 22:09, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
:(Note, it's more of an ethical issue, rather than a legal one. Legally, this wiki doesn't have much of a leg to stand on—we are allowed to operate only at The Brothers Chaps' pleasure.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:25, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*ahem*</nowiki> I knew that... -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 22:49, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

== Should We Deal With This? ==

I guess I've sort of gotten a reputation for not letting projects die. If something fades into the distance, I like to give it a shove into the limelight again, which sometimes [[HRWiki:Article Cleanup|works]] and sometimes [[HRWiki:Spoken Articles|doesn't]]. The underlying themes behind this particular project were to make the favicon look more like the new HRWiki logo (which, at the time, was still in discussion) and to avoid potential lawsuits from using the official H*R logo. The latter hasn't happened, so the only real reason to change the favicon now is to match the new logo. No giant debates are going on, everybody's had a break from Recent Changes overflowing, and I've come back to the wiki one year older and wiser. Changing the favicon would in no way be a huge deal or flood RC, but I wonder: ''Does it matter?'' I know not many users are on the wiki right now and those that are might not care about such a small matter, so I may be talking to the wall. But if it would benefit the wiki to change the favicon, I'd be ready and willing to go through with it. I wouldn't be happy just letting it die. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 22:02, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:Let me try to be civil about this. Currently, I ''am'' talking to the wall. I have waited for four days and have left a note on Dot Com's talk page concerning this matter. Neither of the times have I received a reply. I don't necessarily need to restart this project, all I want to know is if it matters to do so. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 21:11, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
::I think it's fine how it is. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:16, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Interesting. However, the fanstuff wiki and the forum's favicons are the same as ours. It would be easier at least to modify the three so that they are easy to tell from one another when a user has many tabs open or is looking at History in Safari, don't you think? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 23:57, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
::::For what it's worth, I really don't like the current Favicon. But I'm not discouraged that four days hasn't resulted in anything; this just hasn't had enough visibility, maybe. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 00:07, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::I don't like the favicon either. And it seems like repeated posting has been the only way for this page to get noticed so far. This project would benefit from more voices so it doesn't get abandoned again, but how do we know if anyone really cares? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 00:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::It's usually kinda hard to motivate a change in ''status quo'' for a significant change (see my thread at [[History According to Strong Bad]]). But if people care enough, they'll post. Anyway, I'm with DeF here in that I don't see a compelling reason for change. (And fwiw, I like the current icon more than any of the alternatives proposed so far). -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 01:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::In my opinion, the kamikazes are cool...and if we get the HRFWiki, the Forum...etc., to use it, then it'll have a cool "sequence" vibe. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 01:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::People seemed to like the kamikazes when this topic was first brought up. I like them, and since they match the logo in different colors, the three sites could be like Power Rangers or something! ^_^ -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 02:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I would '''support''' a change in favicons, though I am ambivolent whether we do it or not. I'm fine if we do. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:56, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

== Ideas ==

Okay. After waiting for a while and asking people's opinions on IRC, I have a very rough estimate of what to do. First of all, we should change the favicon. It's due for a change because of the new(ish) wiki logo. Also, we don't know when we might get in trouble for using the official logo of the site. The most favored candidates right now are:
*[[Image:Star_Shirt_Favicon.jpg]] '''The Star Shirt.''' Identifiable for a wiki about Homestar Runner, but doesn't look like the logo. It doesn't have to, but we may want the logo and favicon to be similar at least.
*[[Image:Homestar_Kamikaze_Favicon.png]] '''The Kamikaze.''' Looks the most like our new logo, but some complain that Homestar doesn't look good when he's that small.
*[[Image:W-blue.png]] '''The W.''' A simpler picture that looks better when it's small, but it doesn't really say "Homestar Runner Wiki" (at least to me). The font is the same as on Homsar's shirt. 
Please place your comments below. And remember, new suggestions are always welcome! -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 21:56, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:Ok, what I think? We should use '''The W'''. Why? well, like many wikis, we use W to represent that we are an encyclopedic site that use wiki software. The Kamikaze background is the connection to Homestar Runner. The font and color of the W suggest our large logo. If have all the right ingredients, and it looks good in a small size. The two others each lack something I mentioned, mostly, that we are a wiki. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 21:33, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::'''W''' or '''Kamikaze''', preference in that order. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 21:56, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:I prefer '''Kamikaze''', then '''W''''. I wonder if what makes the Kamikaze one look odd is the lack of Homestar's mouth at that scale? I wonder if a few grey pixels would help. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 22:06, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::I'm totally hearting the W. It's simple enough to see at such a small resolution, but it still has to do with Homestar. Also, it looks cool. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 22:11, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I prefer '''Kamikaze''' (I think it's good to have Homestar to make the icon recognizably HSR-themed), but I'd be happy with '''W''' (reminds me of [http://www.wrigley.com/wrigley/products/products_creme_savers.asp Creme Savers] for some reason). I like 'em both though. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:27, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Do you think it would be a good idea to put a template on RC for this in lieu of the logo discussion? After all, it affects the whole wiki and we don't want anyone to be surprised if and when we change it. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 22:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
In response to the call for comment, I'll basically restate what I said above. I like the current icon more than any of the proposed alternatives. I don't think there's any danger of someone mistaking us as having an official connection with HR because of it, nor do I think TBC will suddenly develop a serious grievance with it. To me, the W says "Wilson Sporting Goods" more than it says "Homestar Runner Wiki", the red star is way generic, and the kamikaze homestar doesn't really look good at that size, to me. (Again, just stating my opinions). -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 20:32, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:You have every right to your own opinion, but you don't seem to be taking into account the other reasons why we want to change the favicon. Visually separating the knowledge base, fanstuff, forum, IRC, and old wiki archives from one another would be greatly beneficial to those keeping multiple tabs open in Firefox or looking at History or Bookmarks in any other web browser. Also, we might want to give our wiki a fresh new touch after updating the logo two years ago. Dagron, do you strongly prefer our current logo, or do you just not like the choices we have? If it's the latter, we can still think of more ideas for new favicons other than the ones we have now. In fact, would you like to suggest something yourself? We're always open to new ideas. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 20:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::Oh, but I do use tabbed browsing in Firefox. :P And to answer your question, it's kind of both. I do happen to strongly like the current logo, but I'd be open to another idea if a better one was presented.
::To clarify, I'm not saying there's not merit in visually distinguishing the different branches. And admittedly, as you say, I may be understating that merit, especially since I rarely use the forum/fanstuff wiki. But I just wanted to present an opinion about the actual icons themselves, to consider. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 20:55, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

:::Awesome. So what kind of favicon are you looking for? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 20:59, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>shrug* I dunno. As long as it looks good. I don't really have any suggestions at the moment. I'll give it some thought. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 21:04, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::The trouble I have with the current icon is that, to me, it looks like "some garglemesh and a W". It just ain't good. Yes, the new W has reminded me of the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki_talk%3AFavicon&diff=562030&oldid=562028 Wilson logo], but I have since come around to E.L. Cool's point of view. And it's designed with [[Fonts By Toon|one of the most extenstively fonts]] ([[Fonts#Bauhaus 93|Bauhaus 93]]) on homestarrunner.com which happens to be the same font used in the logo of the hrwiki. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 22:35, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, but similar font =/= instantly recognizable connection. No one unfamiliar with the HRWiki would see the W and connect it to the project. The other one has Homestar in it, at least. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 23:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:PixelKamikaze Favicon.PNG|left|200px]] Yes, it's crappy, but I think it'll work. I don't have Flash w/ me, so I can't resize to a 20x20 or 10x10 or whatever the favicon would need to be, but knowing about pixel art, it doesn't worsen a lot when resized. This might mean Homestar could be less blurry than he is in the other kamikaze favicon. Please don't edit the pic, I'll remake it tomorrow or something when I have access to Flash again (ps. I made the image in paint |:( Blehh!), and I'll be able to make it proportionally and vector-ally (meaning the viewing will hopefully be better when resized to the regular favicon size) correct. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 00:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

:Hm, that's a good idea — when I made the above Kamikaze favicons, I just took large images with normal resolution and shrunk them down. Maybe that's not the best way to do it, though. I'm no [[Videlectrix Guys|good graphicsman]], but here's my attempt at removing some of the blurriness that resulted from my resizing: [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Favicon.png]] [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Favicon less fuzzy.png]] (old/new). Not sure if it makes Homestar any more clear... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:41, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

::That looks prooty good, Trey. It look's WAAAAY more appropriate for the address bar of a champion browser than the first one. Way less fuzzy. Maybe we can try that method with the other Kamikazes. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 00:44, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Sample Screenshot with W Favicons 1.png|thumb]][[Image:Sample Screenshot with W Favicons 2.png|thumb]]
Here are some screenshots of the W in action. It's okay, but it just seems to be missing something. (Even though I made the set of Ws, I never posted them on the talk page until now because they've never quite hit home for me.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:09, 15 May 2008 (UTC
:The only trouble I have with the "W" is that I don't think it really explains a lot about the wiki and H*R. For instance, the kamikazes have Homestar, Strong Bad, etc...the "star shirt" has an easily recognizable symbol from the H*R universe. The "W", although I disagree with the people who say it looks like the Wilson logo, doesn't symbolize a whole lot besides the "Intro" background. I feel that the favicon should say something 'bout the site it's on. Most sites use their logo (H*R, Doogtoons, Myspace, just to name a few) as their favicon. Since our actual logo is too big, we need to resort to something that fits the site. And I'm not yet convinced the "W" does that. --{{User:DevonM/sig}} 02:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
::{Edit conflicts are good when a project needs attention, right?} I wholeheartedly agree with Devon. And seeing as the only complaint for the kamikaze is that it looks fuzzy, if we can tinker with it until it looks good, I think we could have something to agree on. And once again, should we have a template on RC? I don't know if we need one, but it might allow more users to know what's going on. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 02:19, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Can we make non-blurry versions of the other kamikazes? -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 02:25, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

HRWiki talk:Favicon

DAGRON — Wed, 14 May 2008 23:33:26 GMT

DAGRON: /* Ideas */

== Background ==

:''This discussion was originally on [[HRWiki talk:Logo redesign 2006]]''
There have been strong objects to using anything a logo that [[:Image:Logo Redesign Official Logo Homestar.png|resembles]] [[:Image:hrwlogoidea-fixed.png|the]] [[:Image:Logo Redesign Old New Star.gif|offical]] [[:Image:logo.png|Homestar Runner site logo]]. Here is a [[:Image:Official_style_logo.png|screen print]] of the QOTW page. You will notice 4 times where we've used the official h*r logo. #'s 2, 3, and 4 can be argued as legit because they do link the official site, but #1 (the icon at the top which also appears in your bookmarks) doesn't have anything to do with the official but our site. I propose that if so many people feel that we shouldn't be using the h*r logo, we also shouldn't be using it in the address bar of the browser. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 14:29, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:Well, the favicon doesn't stick out as much as the logo, and as you said, the rest are links to the official site. If we adopted the Homestarrunner logo as our logo, I think that that would just be intense copycatting. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 14:38, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
::Although I certainly don't see any reason that, once we get done with this, we don't turn our attention to a new favicon. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 14:44, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Definitely. We already addressed this briefly at the [[HRWiki:Da_Basement/Archive 7#favicon|original discussion]].{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:33, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:What's a favicon? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 23:00, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia:Favicon|favicon]] is what IRF circled a 1) in his screenshot.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:02, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Ah, I see. But that'll probably just change with whatever logo we end up picking, right? What's the use of having a logo and a favicon that look completely different from each other? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 23:11, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
::::I guess that's hard to answer until we've picked one, but the size differences might matter. A favicon has to be able to look good and be recognizable in very small dimensions. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::The favicon has doesn't match our current logo so it doesn't logically follow that it would change too. I think the onyl reason that it would change is all the recent discussion about the official logo. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 04:20, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::It would be, in my opinion, hypocritical not to change the favicon after the discussion about the official logo not being used in the logo. The favicon uses the H*R logo, which, according to many user's opinion's here, would be immoral. If you can't use it in the logo, then you shouldn't be able to associate the official logo with any other part of the Wiki itself, including the favicon. So I think it HAS to be changed if the majority of user's believe you can't use the H*R logo in the Wiki logo. I'd find it hard to argue that point.{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:33, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::So everybody stop talking and make something. It need not match whatever we go with for our big logo. Also, we will use variations of it at the fanstuff and forum, so keep that in mind. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:51, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Idc, I tried for an hour last friday to find the actual graphic for the favicon, so that I could study it in terms of dimensions, pixel size, and how it look when enlarged. If I could find the graphic file, I would be glad to propose favicons. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:43, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::The file is at [http://www.hrwiki.org/favicon.ico favicon.ico] for nearly all websites. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 19:47, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::The image displayed by most browsers is 16×16 pixels. Ideas do not need to be in any particular format. We'll handle the technical details of converting it and whatnot. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:51, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
:Some ideas are as follows. [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/homestar.jpg Homestar's Head] looks nice as an icon. Also, [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/homestar2.jpg With a background color] and [http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/bleed0range/starshirtico.jpg starshirt red]. It's rather difficult to accomplish written text in a 16x16 space, these are the most legible and pleasing designs I could come up with.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 05:17, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
::I like the idea of the favicon matching the logo in style. If we pick either of my two favorite logos, [[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Current_Updated|Current Updated]] or [[HRWiki:Logo redesign 2006#Current_Updated|World]], then I would suggest that we use for the favicon Homestar's head against the blue Kamikaze background or Homestar standing against the globe, respectively (no words in either case). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:46, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
:::Trey I'm not sure that you realize how hard that is to do in 16x16. I'm surprised that we can read hrw in our current favicon. I tried to make a few but even the simple were very non-readable. If we are to make a favicon that matches the logo that will have to be on talented dude or dudett. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 04:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
::::Well, I had actually done a couple ''very'' rough mock-ups before I posed the above comment; and while they looked small, those things ''always'' look small, unless you have an exceedingly simple graphic... I hear you though. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:27, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
:::::How about just a W a-la Wikipedia, but in the same font of the chosen logo? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
::::::Now that we're zeroing in on the "Current Updated" ideas for the logo, I propose that the favicon be Homestar's torso and head in front of the kamikaze background, like the following one: [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Favicon.png]] (perhaps with some formatting). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:13, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

==Discussion of specific options==

===Current===
[[Image:Current Favicon.png]] {{clear}}
The only problem with this one (to many users) is that it includes the Homesar Runner official logo. (see [[HRWiki talk:Logo redesign 2006#Official Logo with Green Wiki|here]] for a representive snapshot of some objections to this.) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:52, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

===Homestar Head===
[[Image:Homestar Head Favicon.jpg]] {{clear}}

===Homestar Head Blue===
[[Image:Homestar Head Blue Favicon.jpg]] {{clear}}

===Kamikaze===
[[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Favicon.png|Wiki]] [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Red Favicon.png|Forum]] [[Image:SB Kamikaze Favicon.png|Fanstuff]] [[Image:The Homestar Runner Favicon.png|Old]] [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Green Favicon.png|Chat]] (spares: [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Orange Favicon.png|Spare]] [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Purple Favicon.png|Spare]] [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Grey Favicon.png|Spare]] [[Image:Homestar Kamikaze Yellow Favicon.png|Spare]]){{clear}}

[[Image:Sample Screenshot with Kamikaze Favicons 1.png|thumb|A FireFox window with several tabs open]]
[[Image:Sample Screenshot with Kamikaze Favicons 2.png|thumb|A Safari window with favicons in a drop-down menu]]

This one was made with the intention of matching the two likely replacements for our current logo: [[:Image:Logo Redesign Current Updated b.gif|Current Updated B]] and [[:Image:Logo Redesign Current Updated c.gif|Current Updated C]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:52, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

:I kind of like this one. And since our logo is definitely going to resemble this anyway, I say we should go for it. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 20:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
::Yeah, I really like this one, it, like Lapper said, it is what the logo is going to look like.--{{User:H*bad/sig}} 20:23, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
:::To be honest, I don't have any problems with our current icon. But if we're going to change, the blue Homestar kamikaze has my vote. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 15:32, 2 December 2006
::::If we were to use this for the regular wiki, then, as the project page indicates, we should change the Fanstuff Wiki and Forum favicons as well. Posted below the heading are analogous favicons that could be used for the Forum and Fanstuff. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:56, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::I truly like all of these, but, if we're choosing one of the three for the knowledge base, I'd choose one of the Homestars. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 02:15, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::Is it possible to have a different favicon for the forum and fanstuff? I think that you set one for the entire website and then all of the sub-whatevers get it too. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 02:18, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::It's possible to have different favicons for each '''page'''. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 02:21, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::To clarify, these icons are being presented as a set, not individually. If we don't go with this idea, then anything else we do go with needs to be a set. And yes, as mentioned, we can have different favicons for different subdomains. Oh, and I remembered two other subdomains we have that could be in the set: old.hrwiki.org (perhaps The Homestar Runner against a gray kamakazi background) and chat.hrwiki.org. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:06, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::I made up favicons with a few different backgrounds (see above) in case they're wanted for various different subdomains. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 13:33, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::Oh, you said '''The''' Homestar Runner...I'll try that...(see above) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 19:07, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::Great work Trey, any chance you can do one with an open mouth Homestar? Just interested to see what it would look like that small, I'd rather have the Favicon match the chosen logo if possible (so lets see what both options look like. The only other one I would try if I had the software would be one of these with a W included within the design. All that said, I think the various colors (and The Homestar Runner) all work really well. - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 23:51, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::Sure: [[Image:Homestar Grinning Favicon.png]]. I'm not sure if I like it, for some reason it looks like he's swallowing scorpions or something when it's that small... anyway, thanks for the feedback :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I concur, Last Place *ding* . . . at that size it's not clear enough. Thanks for humoring me, I figured someone sometime would bring it up, so figured I might just as well ask now. - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]] 13:27, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Yeah, if the "grinning Homestar" logo is ultimately chosen, then it sure would make sense to have the favicon match that one. Maybe I can try again, this time with less scorpion... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::If you have too much "scorpion" in there, you might as well just pick the one with his mouth closed, seeing as the logo might permanently alternate. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 13:42, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Yeah, I'm waiting to see how the logo discussion turns out before doing anything else. In my opinion, the only reason we'd have to worry about making an open-mouthed favicon is if C alone is chosen (which is a very realistic possibility). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:03, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::I personally don't like either [the open- or closed-mouth choices] as a favicon. I think the favicon could do without the kamikaze background. {{User:Salty/sig}} 04:45, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
[[Image:Favicon background comparison.png]]
:Here's a comparison of different background brightnesses for some proposed favicons. The top row is the B-style, the second row is the C-style, and the third row is the SB-style. The first column matches the background of the proposed logos, and as you move right, the brightness of the background increases. Any preferences? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:30, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
::I like closed-mouth Homestar, second from the left. I like the Strong Bad that's second from the right. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
:::I agree and updated [[:Image:Homestar Kamikaze Favicon.png]] and [[:Image:SB Kamikaze Favicon.png]] accordingly. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:15, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

=== Homestar Mouth Open, No Background ===
[[Image:hrfaviconopen.png]]
I think the favicon would look better without the background. {{User:Salty/sig}} 20:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

:I uploaded a version with the background removed around Homestar's edges — I think this one suffers from the same clarity issues as the open-mouthed favicon above. Also, I think it's good to have a background for Homestar's white head to stand out against in the address bar. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:39, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

===Star Shirt===
[[Image:Star Shirt Favicon.jpg]] {{clear}}

== Other Ideas ==

Like I suggested above, can someone please create a W favicon in the same font as the new logo? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:20, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

== Will It Change? ==

Is this discussion still going on? The logo is now C, but the favicon hasn't changed. Are we still going to change it? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 12:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
:I still think that we should change it to match the new logo — but whether we change will probably depend on other users giving input. If everybody's okay with the status quo, then by default we'll probably just stick with the current favicon. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:32, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
::This thing got like ''no'' publicity ''at all''. Everyone knew about the logo thing because the template came up every time they went to Recent Changes. If we could make this known, maybe more people would give us some input. The only problem is that...aren't we all kind of tired of this? We just had the whole logo discussion and I don't think everyone's up to another big ordeal, though this wouldn't have to be as much of one. Maybe we should just inform the admins and let them decide? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 04:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

I think you hit the nail on the head, Brightstar — after the logo redesign and the Halloween and Decemberween skin changes, I think everybody (myself included) had their fill of site design deliberations for a while. Despite this ambivalence, it looks like the above Kamikaze option has about 6 1/2 supporters, 1/2 neutral users, and 1 opponent. Hardly an overwhelming response from all the registered users who would see the favicon, but certainly the majority of those that both were aware of this discussion and cared enough to comment.

So, we could let this discussion fade like [[Talk:Homestar Runner (body of work)#Homestar Runner (What the heck is it?)|others]], but I think it's worth completing for the following reasons: (a) at one point, there were quite a few users who strongly believed that we shouldn't use the official logo as part of our own, (b) it makes sense to have the big logo and favicon match each other, at least in style, and (c) it would be a nice tool to have different icons representing the different subdomains for users who have several tabs open at once.

If we're going to complete the discussion, here are the main questions that I think need to be answered (I'm operating under the assumption that the Kamikaze icon set is the only widely supported option right now):

#How much more awareness of this conversation does the general population need to have before a change is made?
#How many more users' agreement does this decision require before a change is made?

If those two questions are answered and the corresponding quotas satisfied, then I think that all that remains is to make minor tweaks to the proposed set and then implement them. But if there are enough users who are satisfied with the status quo, having that on record would be a fine outcome to this discussion as well. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:37, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
:::I think that some key users, such as the sysops and people at the forum and fanstuff, should absolutely be notified of the issue here as well as most of the general public via a message at the main page. If we changed the favicon and almost nobody knew about it, it would cause an uproar of posts such as, "Wut happend 2 teh thing in duh browzer?!?!!!!111!!one", and we don't want that. As for how many users we need input from, well it certainly needs to be more than eight people, but I'm thinking about twenty or so. That includes the forum and fanstuff. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 17:31, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

== The Other One That Needs To Be Revisited ==

Now that [[HRWiki:Article cleanup]] is rolling and other people are starting to take an interest in it, I think I'll come over here and kickstart ''this'' long-forgotten project. As you guys should know, the favicon (that little picture to the left of the URL in your browser) needs to be changed because of legal reasons (it resembles the H*R official logo too much). This discussion came up during the long and hectic logo redesign period, where it was quickly forgotten. I think we have everything we need to carry this out; all that has to happen is decide whether the choices above are truly the right favicons, inform the people at the forum and fantuff and get their approval, then go for it! What do you say? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 22:09, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
:(Note, it's more of an ethical issue, rather than a legal one. Legally, this wiki doesn't have much of a leg to stand on—we are allowed to operate only at The Brothers Chaps' pleasure.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:25, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
::<nowiki>*ahem*</nowiki> I knew that... -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 22:49, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

== Should We Deal With This? ==

I guess I've sort of gotten a reputation for not letting projects die. If something fades into the distance, I like to give it a shove into the limelight again, which sometimes [[HRWiki:Article Cleanup|works]] and sometimes [[HRWiki:Spoken Articles|doesn't]]. The underlying themes behind this particular project were to make the favicon look more like the new HRWiki logo (which, at the time, was still in discussion) and to avoid potential lawsuits from using the official H*R logo. The latter hasn't happened, so the only real reason to change the favicon now is to match the new logo. No giant debates are going on, everybody's had a break from Recent Changes overflowing, and I've come back to the wiki one year older and wiser. Changing the favicon would in no way be a huge deal or flood RC, but I wonder: ''Does it matter?'' I know not many users are on the wiki right now and those that are might not care about such a small matter, so I may be talking to the wall. But if it would benefit the wiki to change the favicon, I'd be ready and willing to go through with it. I wouldn't be happy just letting it die. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 22:02, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:Let me try to be civil about this. Currently, I ''am'' talking to the wall. I have waited for four days and have left a note on Dot Com's talk page concerning this matter. Neither of the times have I received a reply. I don't necessarily need to restart this project, all I want to know is if it matters to do so. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 21:11, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
::I think it's fine how it is. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:16, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Interesting. However, the fanstuff wiki and the forum's favicons are the same as ours. It would be easier at least to modify the three so that they are easy to tell from one another when a user has many tabs open or is looking at History in Safari, don't you think? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 23:57, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
::::For what it's worth, I really don't like the current Favicon. But I'm not discouraged that four days hasn't resulted in anything; this just hasn't had enough visibility, maybe. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 00:07, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::I don't like the favicon either. And it seems like repeated posting has been the only way for this page to get noticed so far. This project would benefit from more voices so it doesn't get abandoned again, but how do we know if anyone really cares? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 00:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::It's usually kinda hard to motivate a change in ''status quo'' for a significant change (see my thread at [[History According to Strong Bad]]). But if people care enough, they'll post. Anyway, I'm with DeF here in that I don't see a compelling reason for change. (And fwiw, I like the current icon more than any of the alternatives proposed so far). -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 01:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::In my opinion, the kamikazes are cool...and if we get the HRFWiki, the Forum...etc., to use it, then it'll have a cool "sequence" vibe. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 01:15, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::People seemed to like the kamikazes when this topic was first brought up. I like them, and since they match the logo in different colors, the three sites could be like Power Rangers or something! ^_^ -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 02:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::I would '''support''' a change in favicons, though I am ambivolent whether we do it or not. I'm fine if we do. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:56, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

== Ideas ==

Okay. After waiting for a while and asking people's opinions on IRC, I have a very rough estimate of what to do. First of all, we should change the favicon. It's due for a change because of the new(ish) wiki logo. Also, we don't know when we might get in trouble for using the official logo of the site. The most favored candidates right now are:
*[[Image:Star_Shirt_Favicon.jpg]] '''The Star Shirt.''' Identifiable for a wiki about Homestar Runner, but doesn't look like the logo. It doesn't have to, but we may want the logo and favicon to be similar at least.
*[[Image:Homestar_Kamikaze_Favicon.png]] '''The Kamikaze.''' Looks the most like our new logo, but some complain that Homestar doesn't look good when he's that small.
*[[Image:W-blue.png]] '''The W.''' A simpler picture that looks better when it's small, but it doesn't really say "Homestar Runner Wiki" (at least to me). The font is the same as on Homsar's shirt. 
Please place your comments below. And remember, new suggestions are always welcome! -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 21:56, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:Ok, what I think? We should use '''The W'''. Why? well, like many wikis, we use W to represent that we are an encyclopedic site that use wiki software. The Kamikaze background is the connection to Homestar Runner. The font and color of the W suggest our large logo. If have all the right ingredients, and it looks good in a small size. The two others each lack something I mentioned, mostly, that we are a wiki. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 21:33, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::'''W''' or '''Kamikaze''', preference in that order. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 21:56, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:I prefer '''Kamikaze''', then '''W''''. I wonder if what makes the Kamikaze one look odd is the lack of Homestar's mouth at that scale? I wonder if a few grey pixels would help. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 22:06, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::I'm totally hearting the W. It's simple enough to see at such a small resolution, but it still has to do with Homestar. Also, it looks cool. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 22:11, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I prefer '''Kamikaze''' (I think it's good to have Homestar to make the icon recognizably HSR-themed), but I'd be happy with '''W''' (reminds me of [http://www.wrigley.com/wrigley/products/products_creme_savers.asp Creme Savers] for some reason). I like 'em both though. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:27, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Do you think it would be a good idea to put a template on RC for this in lieu of the logo discussion? After all, it affects the whole wiki and we don't want anyone to be surprised if and when we change it. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 22:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
In response to the call for comment, I'll basically restate what I said above. I like the current icon more than any of the proposed alternatives. I don't think there's any danger of someone mistaking us as having an official connection with HR because of it, nor do I think TBC will suddenly develop a serious grievance with it. To me, the W says "Wilson Sporting Goods" more than it says "Homestar Runner Wiki", the red star is way generic, and the kamikaze homestar doesn't really look good at that size, to me. (Again, just stating my opinions). -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 20:32, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:You have every right to your own opinion, but you don't seem to be taking into account the other reasons why we want to change the favicon. Visually separating the knowledge base, fanstuff, forum, IRC, and old wiki archives from one another would be greatly beneficial to those keeping multiple tabs open in Firefox or looking at History or Bookmarks in any other web browser. Also, we might want to give our wiki a fresh new touch after updating the logo two years ago. Dagron, do you strongly prefer our current logo, or do you just not like the choices we have? If it's the latter, we can still think of more ideas for new favicons other than the ones we have now. In fact, would you like to suggest something yourself? We're always open to new ideas. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 20:47, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::Oh, but I do use tabbed browsing in Firefox. :P And to answer your question, it's kind of both. I do happen to strongly like the current logo, but I'd be open to another idea if a better one was presented.
::To clarify, I'm not saying there's not merit in visually distinguishing the different branches. And admittedly, as you say, I may be understating that merit, especially since I rarely use the forum/fanstuff wiki. But I just wanted to present an opinion about the actual icons themselves, to consider. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 20:55, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

:::Awesome. So what kind of favicon are you looking for? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 20:59, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::::<nowiki>*</nowiki>shrug* I dunno. As long as it looks good. I don't really have any suggestions at the moment. I'll give it some thought. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 21:04, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::The trouble I have with the current icon is that, to me, it looks like "some garglemesh and a W". It just ain't good. Yes, the new W has reminded me of the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki_talk%3AFavicon&diff=562030&oldid=562028 Wilson logo], but I have since come around to E.L. Cool's point of view. And it's designed with [[Fonts By Toon|one of the most extenstively fonts]] ([[Fonts#Bauhaus 93|Bauhaus 93]]) on homestarrunner.com which happens to be the same font used in the logo of the hrwiki. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 22:35, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, but similar font =/= instantly recognizable connection. No one unfamiliar with the HRWiki would see the W and connect it to the project. The other one has Homestar in it, at least. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 23:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Ow! My X!

DAGRON — Wed, 14 May 2008 21:23:51 GMT

DAGRON: Changing the sentence for now, since there's only one other character noted as having used it.

[[Image:404'd.png|thumb|"Ow! My browser!"]]
After a [[Teen Girl Squad]] member gets attack[['d]], she usually says something following the format '''"Ow! My X!"''' to describe the affliction, even though the subject of the exclamation usually isn't a body part at all. This kind of expression has also been used outside of Teen Girl Squad.

==Appearances==
*'''Debut:''' Email [[comic]]/[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 1]] — [[The Ugly One]] exclaims "Ow! My skin!" after she gets [[Arrow'd Guy|Arrowed]].
**[[404'd]] — The Ugly One's word balloon from the scene is altered to read, "Ow! My browser!"
*[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 3]] — After The Ugly One gets "MSG'd", she exclaims, "Ow! My stomach lining!"
*[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 5]] — [[Cheerleader]] kicks [[So and So]] while they try to talk to older boys, causing So and So to scream, "Ow! My hopes of reaching [[Making Out|1st base]]!"
*[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]] — [[What's Her Face]] gets her torso, arms, and head eaten by a shark and exclaims, "Ow! My most of me!"
*[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9]] — Cheerleader's last words as the Learner Permit Girl runs her over are, "Ow! My entire life!"
*[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]] — Cheerleader screams "Ow! My tan lines!" as a [[voip]] from shirtless Science Fiction Greg blinds her.
*[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 12]] — After the Arrow'd Guy kills a voodoo doll of The Ugly One, the real Ugly One exclaims, "Ow! My the fact that I was alive a second ago!"
*[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 13]] — As Snack Mix hits What's Her Face, she says, "Ow! My [[style]]! Or, lack thereof."
*[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 14]] — As [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Scantron|Scantron]] explodes, So and So complains "Aah! My secret weakness!"
[[Category:Word running gags]]

==Non Teen Girl Squad Appearances==

*Email [[privileges]] — Strong Sad says "Ow! Both my face and hands!" as The Cheat earns a Strong Bad Rewards point.

HRWiki talk:Article cleanup

DAGRON — Wed, 14 May 2008 21:21:12 GMT

DAGRON: Question

'''See the discussion at [[HRWiki:Spoken Articles]] for background information.'''

== Purpose ==
When I'm done cleaning up all of the articles on this list, should we decide whether to record them or not? Or should I add more to the list and do them before we decide? If this ends up being just for the good of the wiki, I'm all for it, but I feel a tad overwhelmed by this list already. Should there be all emails, toons, characters, and subtitles on there too? Should we make a giant Spring Cleaning project and clean up every article on the wiki? As for the latter, that'd make for some serious edit conflicts if not properly organized. All I'm saying is, how far should we go with this? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 23:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
:My unprofessional recommendations: recording, should it happen, can happen in parallel from the cleanup duties. That is, the issue of recording should be settled [[HRWiki talk:Spoken Articles|here]] independently of whether or not we continue cleaning up other articles. That said, yes I think it's a good idea to clean up articles, but I personally haven't helped simply because I don't have a sense precisely for the grammatical changes (other than eliminating 2nd person) that you are making. I just haven't studied your edits in detail. I'm lazy. :) Anyway, I'm sure other people will slowly join the bandwagon, but for now, if you are feeling overwhelmed, take a [[vacation|break]] from doing the edits and come back to them when you are feeling [[Melonade|refreshed]]! That's my two pence. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 15:50, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
::I might just do that. Proofreading articles every day until who-knows-when gets a little pressing after a while. I notice grammatical errors everywhere (just this morning I noticed an improper use of neither/nor in a church bulletin) and can't help myself from correcting ''every single one'', making my edits take longer and more of an effort than others who would just skim and fix anything they saw along the way. Since I'm going to Florida on Tuesday (Spring Break!) and not coming back until Friday, that's probably when I'll take my break. That and the fact that my laptop's too heavy to carry around the airport. ;-) -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 16:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC) P.S. I now have a special resentment towards [[Floppy Disk Container|this article]] because of how agonizingly long it took me to clean it up. Its mother was a hamster and its father smelt of elderberries (ever watch Monty Python?). 
:::<small?>Yes, I've seen that movie. LOLOLLOL! Well, I only stay caught up with FAs, since I can't see any kind of order or theme in the other list. It may help organize the project if we organize the list, but we should remember that the whole reason the project started is so that more Spoken Articles could be made. Making FAs into SAs was a suggestion that eventually (now) became the main focus. But though it's an ongoing project, I think I can work faster than just one article per week. If we organize the other lists and perhaps make this project more well-known, it may not be such a pain anymore. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 13:19, 18 March 2007
::::Umm... I've been working on it almost every day, Sam. Not 20 a day, but more like 3. Still, the SA project is on shaky ground at the moment and doesn't look like it's going to come into full effect as it stands right now. The main issue is the amount of MBs it would take up, potentially putting great strain on the server. How does Wikipedia have SAs without that happening? If we found out, we may be able to duplicate their methods. Lately I've been politely trying to get more people participating in this project so that I don't have to keep the ball rolling all by my lonesome. I'm not complaining, but I think the SA project will be able to go much farther if the interest level is raised a couple dozen notches. It seems that whenever a new email comes out, any potential helpers get dragged away. How could we generate more enthusiasm for this without making it seem like we're begging? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 17:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::I think Wikipedia has more server space. I mean, it's Wikipedia. Tons of people visit each day. They need it. Unlike us, where much less people visit. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 17:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::It's hard to say. There already isn't much interest in SAs, and without that project, ours is done for. We support SAs, so I guess the best we can do is gather other major users who also think they are worth having. But the server space concerns for SAs and lack of enthusiasm in both that and our cleanup project are weighing everything down. I hate to say this, but it would take a miracle for these projects to survive. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 14:01, 18 March 2007
:::::: {reply for Bluebry after edit conflict} Yes, but why do they do it? What's their reason? Why do they spend time making the SAs when people could just use screen readers instead? I'm not being a smart alec here, just pondering. My current standpoint is this: Wikipedia can because they're so much bigger than us and can support the amount of MBs SAs require. We don't necessarily ''have'' to record, but we ''can'' use this as an excuse to do a big Spring Cleaning of our FAs. Once that's done, we'll look over the situation carefully and decide whether we should record or not. If so, we'll work out a way to record without presenting many problems, such as using a seperate server. If not, the wiki will still be a lot better from the amount of work the users will have put into correcting grammar and spelling in our main articles. Either way, if we can generate enough interest in the SA project, the wiki will be a better place because of our efforts. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 18:08, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Brightstar: I think we should cleanup our articles. I mean, I cleared up a section (And by that I mean sentence) of Strong Bad after seeing the link here. Plus, they probably have more users who are able to record new versions of their pages. Plus, pretty much all of the edits there are vandalism anyway. ;-) Anyway, for a smaller community, it'd be easier to just have a screen reader, or whatever it's called. Plus, if it CAN read pretty much anything, a la a new version of a page, it can, well, read the new version of a page and any new pages. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 18:19, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::::So we're going with the second option? Either way is fine with me. Wikipedia can do what it wants; I like this wiki much better and we don't have to copy everything they do. In the meantime, let's organize this list, add more to it, make it have an HRWiki: heading instead of being my subpage, and get going! We'll have to organize the cleaning though, lest numerous edit conflicts arise. I suggest reserving an item on the list so that nobody else takes it. If not followed through in three days, the spot's open again. Good deal? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 18:42, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::This will take a lot of planning. We'll have to make a new template that indicates an article on the list is reserved for cleanup. And if we aren's sticking to cleaning FAs anymore, I suggest "HRWiki:Article Cleanup" or something to that effect, and FAs will just be a section. And also, rather than one big General Articles list, we should divide it into several smaller lists for articles of or relating to Characters, Places, Toons, etc. We should also devise some kind of system for determining which articles ''need'' cleanup (more than others, at least), similar to Wikipedia's quality scale or something. But again, without enough volunteers, we'll end up working by ourselves. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 15:05, 18 March 2007
No quality scales. We need to instead individually determine whether an article is good or not. If one person disagrees with someone for some reason, there's always talk pages. But, scales don't work well for articles. I mean, what "''Strong Bad gets a '''''9.6'''" on the top of [[Strong Bad]]? Basically, I think we should leave the quality up to the minds of the editors. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 19:10, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
:Not what I had in mind, but you do have a point regardless. No quality scale then. Anyway, I'll get to making the new page and sorting the list out. While I'm at it, any other ideas? — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 15:15, 18 March 2007
{reseting the indents} We can plan this thing just fine if we take some time to work it out. I've never made a template before, so someone else might want to do that (or I can try my luck at it, but it might not be pretty). Just for now to keep from overwhelming ourselves, let's keep to the FAs. Once those are done, Emails, Toons, Characters, Places, etc. that haven't been done already will be added. After that, HRWiki and Help pages. These can all be added at once, but that would make the page ''really'' long. If it's in the project's best interest though, we can do that. Priortizing will be a big part of the organization process. I'll go over to Wikipedia and look at their quality scale just to see if we can use any of the info there. As for the publicity, we desperately need to work on that. Three users can't pull this off. We need something. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 19:20, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
:When you say "FAs", what do you mean? When I've been saying it, I was only referring to FAs from 2007 and future FAs. When you say it, do you mean ''all'' FAs from '05 forward? It only takes one user to manage the former, but if our project is truly to span into the past as well as the present and future, I think it goes without saying that we could be in over our heads. I would sooner begin cleanup of character, toon, and place pages than go that far, but that's just me... — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 15:28, 18 March 2007
::I meant all FAs. Since they're all already on the page and I've completed about a third of them, we're not really "in over our heads". As for future FAs, many of them will be Characters, Toons, Places, everything you mentioned. We'll be cleaning them before they even reach that status! New articles we won't worry about right now, such as the email that's probably coming out tommorrow. A lot of people see those, and when they add fun facts, they correct most of the grammar mistakes along the way. On a different note, I've been trying to find that quality scale on Wikipedia and it's giving me nothing! Can you provide a link? Also, can we ''please'' figure out a way to get interest for this page? I've got a few ideas, such as putting a message on RC or informing some sysops, but I'm really not sure at the moment. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 19:36, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, I've been working on [[Strong Bad]]. I dunno if what I do is good or not, but I try to divide all of the things in his Bio into theme-specific paragraphs. Now, I'll do some sort of template if needed. Now, I'll do anything needed; I normally have nothing to do anyway. Plus, sysops know. That, and we can't put ALL projects on Recent Changes, however, that is a good idea. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 19:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
::::Thank you so much! You did a great job on Strong Bad, from the looks of it. Just check that off the old list and we'll have one more done! Are you good at making templates, Bluebry? I was thinking a message of "[[Special:Random|This page]] is reserved for [[User:Brightstar Shiner/Featured Article Cleanup|cleanup]] by [[User:Bluebry|Bluebry]] for the (whatever we're going to call it now) project," with a picture of... I'm not sure. Also, if sysops know (I know Dot Com does) and aren't doing anything as of yet, then maybe we should personally recruit users on their talk pages. Not the most ethical thing to do, but it's another idea. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 19:49, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::Brightstar: What I had in mind when I mentioned a quality scale is something similar to [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Manual of Style|Wikipedia's Manual of Style]]. It's long, but it's what I was thinking about. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 15:53, 18 March 2007
::::::NO NO NO! No spam. Users must volunteer. So, yeah, I'll get started on that template. You know, unless I can find one that already exists that also works. Now, do we have to reserve them, or can we just put "This page needs cleanup according to (project name)"? {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 20:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Two things: is the <nowiki>{{</nowiki>[[Template:cleanup|cleanup]]<nowiki>}}</nowiki> template what you guys are thinking of, or are you looking for something different? Second, I've done some thinking about good standards for our articles, and here are some of my suggestions (some stolen from [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Featured article criteria]]):
#Well-written
#Factually accurate
#Comprehensive
#Well-organized
#Good lead section
#Appropriate images
#Appropriate length
Of these, I think that the two we do the least well are making our articles ''well-written'' and making them ''well-organized''. That is, many of them are factually accurate, and even grammatically correct, but how many of them are "'''compelling, even brilliant'''"? I think that a lot of articles could stand to be put under a microscope, rearranged to flow better, and reworded so that once you stop reading, you can't put them down. That's a pretty high standard, but I think it's a great one to shoot for. Anyway, just some thoughts... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:03, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

:I like it, and yes, that was the template I was thinking of. I think we need that criteria for all new featured articles. Now, we'd still discuss which article we want until we reach a consensus, as we already do now, right? {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 20:06, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
::{reply for Bluebry after edit conflict} <lowers head> Sorry, Bluebry. No spam it is. Anyway, I'd say we should reserve them. I'd just hate to be working for hours cleaning up a long article and then getting an edit conflict because someone else dropped by and changed a single "were" to "where". That would be extremely frustrating. As I said before, someone puts the template on the page, they clean it up within three days, remove the template, and check it off the list. The only problem I can see with this is flooding RC, which this project is bound to do anyway. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 20:10, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Ah I see. And, it's okay to think about Spam. ;-) Now, I know it's stupid to say here, but, I think I've finished S to the B, Strong Bad. Can we mark it off or does someone wanna check it for me? Which brings me to another point: I think we need to check up on each other. You know, proofread before checking it off. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 20:15, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
::::I think the existing template is ''ok'', but I was thinking of something that related specifically to this project, not the talk page of the article in question. I was thinking more along the lines of a small "notice" template that could be posted on the checklist itself, so anyone working on the project would know what articles are already being cleaned. The only problem I can see with this method is the aforementioned Edit Conflict problem. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 16:19, 18 March 2007
Okay, so after quickly reading this discussion (that has now ballooned to incredible proportions) I have a few things to say:
*''Brightstar:'' Most important: Yes! I've seen Monty Python, but I wouldn't have [[Wikipedia:Monty Python and the Holy Grail|guessed]] where it came from without a {{pl|l=http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Its+mother+was+a+hamster+and+its+father+smelt+of+elderberries&btnG=Google+Search google}} search! I'm bad with names, movie quotes, etc. Though I ''did'' suspect that that was the movie in question.
*''Brightstar:'' I can totally {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Subtitles:bizcasfri1/es&diff=409802&oldid=409801 relate}} to [[Subtitles:bizcasfri1/es|pages]] that take a heck of a whole lotta time to proofread. It's part of the job sometimes and I take those jobs on slowly and with patience (so much so I haven't proofread any more spanish subtitles since!) I'll be back to it soon enough.
* When it comes to the SA project, you must keep in mind three factors: community support, benefit/impact, and feasibility.
**On the first issue, support has been slow to build, and it should not be forced. Like Bluebry said, one has to let volunteers join, and that usually happens when they see a clear benefit and a project that's feasible.
** I've been thinking a little of the benefit, and I wonder now why Wikipedia has that project. I believe that the benefit to visually impaired people might be marginal since they must first access these files through a web page, and there's already technology out there that allows the visually impaired to read articles. Beyond that, it's really nice to have spoken versions of a few articles (kind of like an audio book), but I don't see it as a crucial necessity for the wiki.
**Lastly, I'd like to explain a little more on feasibility: the issue is not wether or not the wiki servers have enough Hard Drive space. Drive space is cheap! I wouldn't be surprised if HRWiki's hard drives can hold enough information to mirror the english Wiki in its entirety. However, the real issue is that of bandwidth: web pages and images are relatively small, each producing only a few Kilobytes of information per download. Multiply this by 1000, and you only use a few MB's of information per day. However, introduce a sound file that's 1MB in size, multiply that by several "views" per day and you can easily use 1GB or more of bandwidth per day. Most hosting servers now limit the amount of bandwidth that a server can send per day, charging more if more data is being served. So, in order to keep things manageable, only certain media is hosted by the server. (As a side note, I realized that we do mirror some old H*R stuff, and flash files are not that much smaller than sound files, so perhaps the impact might not be as great. But that's debatable.)
*Sounds to me like you want to start a massive {{tl|cleanup}} [[HRWiki:Projects|project]]. Keep in mind that the wiki already has tons of editing resources available at your disposal, you just have to find them and learn how to use them. For example, we already have the {{tl|inprogress}} and {{tl|pageinprogress}} templates that are used to indicate other users that a section and a page are being currently edited, respectively. (We've made tons of other [[:Category:HRWiki Templates|templates]] that you can use.) (Keep in mind, that these should only be up when actively editing the page in order to avoid edit conflicts. However, when done editing, the templates should be removed in order to make the page presentable and allow other users to keep making changes. If you plan on making changes over several days, my suggestion is to use {{pl|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Subtitles:bizcasfri1/es&diff=prev&oldid=409799 html}} comments (<code><nowiki></nowiki></code>) so you can keep track of where you are. Unless the page is in serious need of cleanup, the page itself shouldn't have a big notice indicating other users that you are fixing grammatical mistakes. (That last one's my personal opinion.)
Finally, I hope this information and advice is useful to everybody. I made a detailed reply because I wanted to be sure that no work was duplicated, but that very useful and beneficial work (namely this FA cleanup) kept going! Um, that's it for now. Yeah. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
:Well played, Stux. I like the secret comment thing you talked about. I used one on the list itself and they're not that hard. Probably just put something to the effect of <code><nowiki></nowiki></code> and that should do just fine. As for making it a massive cleanup project, let's please do. If bandwidth is an issue, the whole notion of SAs can be dropped and all focus can be turned to cleaning up the FAs for the good of the wiki. I don't want to resort to that yet, but it's an option. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 01:23, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
::Hmm... After I was gone for four days, I kind of expected other people to have been working on the list. That way, I might feel as if I'm not the only one keeping this afloat, but... nothing happened. I can't do this alone, you know... -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 00:55, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Hey! Welcome back! How was your break? Hope it went well. This weekend went flying way too fast. Don't feel too disappointed because the project hasn't yet taken off. Everyone has their pace and motivation, and you are highly motivated (and availability too). Correct proofreading isn't easy, and to be honest, I've been trying to avoid it for that same reason! ;) But support will come in its own way. Patience young Padawan. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 03:50, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
::::My break was fine. I was in Florida with my grandparents for four days, saw a circus museum, bought fudge, and went to a dinner theater! Pretty cool. Anyway, some people don't enjoy (or aren't good at) proofreading things. Brightstar Shiner does enjoy (in limited quantities) and is good at proofreading things. I'm sure I'm not the only one of the 8648 or so users here who are like this, and you're right; support will come its own way. In the meantime, there's some other things we can do to whip this into shape, such as creating the custom template (which we ''will'' need), organizing and adding to the list, and deciding when to consider an article sufficiently cleaned. For that, I think this could work: One user (say, [[User:Brightstar Shiner|me]]) wants to clean up an article on the list (say, [[The Cheat]]), so I would put up our custom template and go about cleaning it. When I'm done, another user in the project (say, [[User:Stux|you]]) would look it over, give me the ok, and I would check The Cheat off the list. Sound good? (By the way, don't go all Darth Sidious and try to turn me to the Vandal Side, alright? ^_~) -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 15:27, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::On a different note, I just finished the template we need. It's a little... umm... crappy, but this is but the first version and my first try at making a template, so don't chew me out too much. Here it is: [[Template:facleanup]]. I want to find a different image, but that one was the only one I had at the moment. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 16:18, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::Oh, I meant to tell you guys I copied the lists to HRWiki namespace. The new project page is [[HRWiki:Article cleanup]]. I'll be filling in the list of '06 FAs soon, so please don't edit it yet ;) — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 18:20, 24 March 2007
:::::::Yes! Thank you so much! I didn't know if non-sysops were allowed to do that, so I didn't myself. Apparently we can, so thank you again for doing that. I'll start linking to that page when refering to this project now. Also Sam, can you think of any other picture that I could put in the template? The current picture is the same one used in [[Template:cleanup|this]]. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 22:29, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Hmm... The picture you used is just fine. The only thing I see wrong with the template is the blue background; a blue link on a blue template would make it pretty hard to read. Meanwhile, I'll see if I can do the entire '06 list in one sitting. I did the '05 and '07 lists already, but afterward my fingers were so twitchy I've been hesitating to finish. The page looks really awkward with only the ''middle'' list missing... Anyway, I can guarantee at least half the list will be done in a few minutes. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 18:35, 24 March 2007
:::::::::Okay. I'll keep the picture and change the background to light red or something. It's just that blue is my favorite color and I kinda wanted it that way. ;) Also, I understand the twitchy fingers because proofreading a ready long and messed up page (I'm looking at you, Floppy Disk Container) can take a toll on one's mental health as well. By the end of that session, I was yelling at the computer, "No second person! It's not encyclopaedic! We're not talking to ''you'', we're talking to a general audience! And stop, overusing, commas! '''Augh!'''" So really, take as much time as you want. I'll wait. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 22:43, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
{Resetting indents} Well, you won't be waiting long. I've converted FA Archive 2 into a checklist, so that leaves Archive 3 to whoever "wants" it. It looks like I'll be cleaning the [[House of the Brothers Strong]] right now, so I'll at least be doing ''something'', but those lists are a pain in the — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 19:13, 24 March 2007
:Yeah, I know. Well, I'm very thankful that you put in the effort to organize the list; many users (including me) might not have had that kind of patience. I like how it seems less overwhelming since the finished ones are more spread out and there are less blank spots. With steadfast determination and a ''lot'' of grunt work, this puppy'll get done in no time. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 01:06, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
::So I've moved the talk to this page since this apparently is now a project page. Glad you had a good time in Florida Brightstar! For me I have to "prepare" before proofreading. I like when I'm in the right mindset, but I have to be in the right mindset in the first place :) The tag-team proofreading doesn't sound like a bad idea -- except that you might be waiting several weeks for me to go over the aricles ;). Okay not that long but you know what I mean. We can try it though. Not that I'd have much left to re-proof after you're done with it. However, I do have a question (or questions): what is the purpose of your {{tl|facleanup}} template exactly? Do you intend to leave it up for hours/days until it is proofread? Like I said before, I don't think that this would be as useful/pretty. That or reword the template. Either way the table would still need a couple of modifications: it should have its own category. Like I said before {{tl|inprogress}} would be better suited. And what, little old me, turn you to the dark side!? Now why would I do that?? Just remember there are always two: an apprentice and a master. ;) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 06:28, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Do we want to have our own template for this project specifically or can we reword an inprogress template to say that it's for this purpose? The latter actually might be a better idea, come to think of it. We can use the color of facleanup to say that it's a modified template and add a few words at the end to specify the reason, but otherwise I don't think any other action is called for. Let's just go with that and delete facleanup. This should go in the Project and Cleanup catagories, hopefully drawing more attention to it. ;) We'll need to work out how to do this tag-team thing, though. I was thinking of it just being as simple as this: Two users sign up for one page... 

:::{{todo}} [[The Cheat]] Proofreader: -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} Second Check: --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 

:::The users would communicate with each other to find when each has done his/her part... 

:::{{done}} [[The Cheat]] Proofreader: -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} Second Check: --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 

:::Then the proofreader would check the item off the list. There will be a lot of edits to this page, but that's not a huge problem. If we inform RC Patrol, I'm sure they'll understand. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 16:32, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
::::Here's another idea: instead of having two people sign up for a page, we just leave the entries open:
:::::{{todo}} [[The Cheat]] Proofreader: ''<nowiki><</nowiki>unassigned>'' Second Check: ''<nowiki><</nowiki>unassigned>'' 
::::And then people just sign their name as they go. That way anyone can take the second check as they please.
::::As for the template, yes I think it would be better to use/modify inprogress, but I'm still concerned about leaving the template out for days. These templates are not meant to be out for that long, only a few hours at the most. As I have mentioned a couple of times, and I cannot stress enough, I don't like the idea of leaving progress templates out for days in order for people to see. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:44, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::That's what I meant by two people signing up for a page. I guess I just skipped the step that you mentioned. If it's okay (and I'll wait for a reply before I do it), I'm gonna go ahead and add the unassigned thing to each unfinished item. I think we can leave the already done ones alone, seeing as I did most of them. ^_^ The progress templates ''should'' only be out for an hour or so at most, just until proofreading and second-checking is done. The three day thing was to prevent some user from reserving a bunch of pages and then not cleaning them for a week, disabling anyone else from doing the job. I don't know if we'll keep that rule since the second-checker can just butt in and do it themself if a situation arises, but that was my reason in the first place. Here's the template we'll probably end up using: <div id="inprogress" style="background-color: #C9F; margin: 0.5em; padding: 0.5em; text-align:center">'''This article is being cleaned up for [[HRWiki:Article cleanup]].''' As a courtesy, please do not edit this page until this tag is removed.</div> -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 17:22, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

::::::My short attention span is forcing me to just post instead of read the War and Peace length discussions above me. Does proofreader mean the person who proofreads someone else's cleanup, or do they do the cleanup and are checked up by the second check person? Because, uh, my 8 consecutive edits to [[Strong Bad]] were all cleanup, and I was wondering if I had to put my name here or something. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 18:10, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Proofreader is the one who actually cleans up the article. Second-check is the person who checks the Proofreader's edits to make sure they didn't leave anything out or mess it up further. Oh, and your Strong Bad thing I already took care of, as you can see on the page. Cleanups made before the tag-team system are noted and I'll probably go through them at the end to make sure they're okay. Otherwise, those are over and done with. The paragraph at the top of the actual article that this talk page is attached to explains it pretty well. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 18:22, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Here's an idea: why not add ''second-check'' entries to those articles that have been originally checked? It wouldn't hurt! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:04, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Wha-...ja-...but-I-just-no-I-mean-... fine. I guess I don't really like admitting that there might be anything wrong with my proofreading, but there could be. I'll second check Sam's, Bluebry's, and Yellowdart's edits, and you guys get to check mine! You get to go through Floppy Disk Container and Secret Pages searching for errors; ''lucky you''! <smiles devilishly> You'll have a time with that... -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 20:12, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
You should use the {{t|pageinprogress}} template (not {{t|inprogress}}) for this. The regular template is fine; that's what it's for. The template should not be on the page for any longer than a person is actively editing the article, right then. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:10, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Just a note for anyone reading this months after I post it: the template thing was already taken care of. Holy crap—you guys are getting this baby done! Has Matt? and Bluebry are teaming up great and I should be up and rolling again soon as well. It makes me feel confident that we can actually do this. ^_^ After FAs are done, should we do all the Characters, Places, and Toons (including emails)? This is going to be just about the whole wiki (I think) and so we might want to lay out yet another plan. Maybe the FAs could go at the top like we have them, then we can add another catagory for each of the topics we go for next. Those will be condsiderably smaller tasks, seeing as the email pages are combed over pretty well and most of the non-main character articles are relatively small. I'll go and clean up some more articles right now; haven't done that in a few days. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 20:17, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

== Idea ==

Hey, I has an idea. Now, I'm still unsure whether a check means "It was cleaned up" Or "It was second checked". So, here's my idea:

2 check boxes. The first for Cleanup, the second for second check. That way, it's easy to tell what needs what. Thoughts? {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 12:51, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
:Okay, Bluebry. We can do that, but when the wiki is back to normal, okay? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Like, it's totally Brightstar!]] (this was for April Fools Day)

==Wow, guys!==

This baby is coming along! I haven't been around the wiki for awhile because I've had a pretty crazy April, but you guys are really keeping up with this! I'll get back to the wiki when I have more free time, but with standardized tests, concerts, trips, and quiz bowls all happening at once, it looks like I won't be fully back on the ball until May or so. See you later, -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 21:12, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Bad and Strong Sad's Relationship ==

Should I add that article here because of all the sentence fragments? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:56, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
:Maybe not, you should tag it with {{tl|cleanup}} instead, since those hold higher priority over the FA lists. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 16:00, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

== 2008 FAs ==

Would it be good to put the 2008 featured articles up on the list now, or should we wait until we get more of the 05-07 ones finished? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 19:55, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
:Well, we should try to work on the older ones a little, then put up the 08 ones. Along with that, if we finish up the new ones first, we can do the old ones. {{User:Slipknot6477/sig}} 20:41, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
::So... is that a yes or a no? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 21:16, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
:::It is a yes. But not to many now, due to being a bit behind. {{User:Slipknot6477/sig}} 22:05, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

== Second-person ==

In articles about games in H*R, should we remove the second person? I have on several in the past, but the sentences all came out rather awkwardly because we had to change "you" to "the player" or "one". Since these games are actually to be played by the person reading the article, would that be an exception to the rule of "not talking to the reader"? -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 16:50, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
:On that note, what about DVD commentaries or Easter Eggs? I honestly do not know when second-person is acceptable on this wiki. We need to set some guidelines for use of second-person because the articles here cannot be completely proofread until we do. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 00:38, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
::I started a discussion at [[Help talk:Editing#The Third Person]] assuming that would be logical. The edit summaries and such lately have not led me to any other discussion. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:45, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

== Purpose ==

While proofreading articles is of course an excellent thing to do, I'm not sure I understand why we're focusing on previously featured articles. Wouldn't it be prudent to proof the articles before they're featured? -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 21:21, 14 May 2008 (UTC)