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User:Darthvader66

Darthvader66 — Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:16:57 GMT

Darthvader66: removing = mark

Hello, HRWiki users! I'm Darthvader66, if you don't know me, or haven't seen or something, probably because I don't do that much here. I usually just gnome around, I contribute a little to the talk thingy, probably the only thing any of you have seen was when the Lil' Brudder T-shirt came out I updated the store and all that. This is my first attempt at making this page worth reading so please excuse anything I may have screwed up on.

==Interests/other crap==

Well, I guess my main interest is music. I really have to say I love talking about, listening to, making, thinking about and playing music. My favorite band is KISS. I've benn a member of the KISS army for a while now and have the papers to prove it. My website, Smoogle, hasn't been updated in years, so don't even go on there. But, if you really want to here's a link, [www.geocities.com/tenaciousdude66/Smoogle.html] . My hobbies include; writing, guitar, record collecting, stamp collecting, star wars collecting and drums. Ihave n extensive knowledge of uslesss crap so be ready if I bust in with anything like that.

== Contributions ==

As said before, I mostly only do small gnome-type things. I'll fix grammar or something like that. My two biggest contributions were updating the store page and helping with the Trogday toon transcript. For the Trogday toon thing I had to watch the flash file atleast a million times so I could list all the things that came up (and it was like, 3 AM when I did it).

==Forum==

As you may know, I spend most of my time on the forum. I have no clue why, but it just seems to attract me everytime I turn on a computer. Just so everyone knows, on the forum my name is Mr.KISS. It was inspired by one, "Sean'd" in the forum games section. Right now I have a fanfic going, but it is curently on a short hiatus. I am on the Jetrel tribe in the survivor game, made by Douglas. If any of you go on www.hsrforum.com I go by the name Mr. KISS 66.

==Cheese==

is good.

==In Memory of the guest books==

Don't sign it!!!

#{{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 21:33, 15 January 2006 (UTC) First signer!
#{{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 21:36, 15 January 2006 (UTC) How could I miss first sign?! UGH!
#{{User:Seriously/sig}} 02:03, 29 January 2006 (UTC) Yes! Third place! That's not too bad!
#{{User:The Chort/sig}} 18:12, 21 January 2006 (UTC) My autograph? Sure!
#{{User:LePorello/sig}} 19:24, 22 January 2006 (UTC) Vader ROCKS!
#[[User:Thatkidyoualllove|Thatkidyoualllove]] 17:39, 23 January 2006 (UTC) sixth place! that's not too bad! oh wait, it is. ah well.
#{{User:Salty/sig}} 00:53, 28 January 2006 (UTC) Power to the Guestbooks.
#{{User:The thing/sig}} 23:04, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

User:Darthvader66

Darthvader66 — Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:16:33 GMT

Darthvader66: Removing Guest book

Hello, HRWiki users! I'm Darthvader66, if you don't know me, or haven't seen or something, probably because I don't do that much here. I usually just gnome around, I contribute a little to the talk thingy, probably the only thing any of you have seen was when the Lil' Brudder T-shirt came out I updated the store and all that. This is my first attempt at making this page worth reading so please excuse anything I may have screwed up on.

==Interests/other crap==

Well, I guess my main interest is music. I really have to say I love talking about, listening to, making, thinking about and playing music. My favorite band is KISS. I've benn a member of the KISS army for a while now and have the papers to prove it. My website, Smoogle, hasn't been updated in years, so don't even go on there. But, if you really want to here's a link, [www.geocities.com/tenaciousdude66/Smoogle.html] . My hobbies include; writing, guitar, record collecting, stamp collecting, star wars collecting and drums. Ihave n extensive knowledge of uslesss crap so be ready if I bust in with anything like that.

== Contributions ==

As said before, I mostly only do small gnome-type things. I'll fix grammar or something like that. My two biggest contributions were updating the store page and helping with the Trogday toon transcript. For the Trogday toon thing I had to watch the flash file atleast a million times so I could list all the things that came up (and it was like, 3 AM when I did it).

==Forum==

As you may know, I spend most of my time on the forum. I have no clue why, but it just seems to attract me everytime I turn on a computer. Just so everyone knows, on the forum my name is Mr.KISS. It was inspired by one, "Sean'd" in the forum games section. Right now I have a fanfic going, but it is curently on a short hiatus. I am on the Jetrel tribe in the survivor game, made by Douglas. If any of you go on www.hsrforum.com I go by the name Mr. KISS 66.

==Cheese==

is good.

===In Memory of the guest books==

Don't sign it!!!

#{{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 21:33, 15 January 2006 (UTC) First signer!
#{{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 21:36, 15 January 2006 (UTC) How could I miss first sign?! UGH!
#{{User:Seriously/sig}} 02:03, 29 January 2006 (UTC) Yes! Third place! That's not too bad!
#{{User:The Chort/sig}} 18:12, 21 January 2006 (UTC) My autograph? Sure!
#{{User:LePorello/sig}} 19:24, 22 January 2006 (UTC) Vader ROCKS!
#[[User:Thatkidyoualllove|Thatkidyoualllove]] 17:39, 23 January 2006 (UTC) sixth place! that's not too bad! oh wait, it is. ah well.
#{{User:Salty/sig}} 00:53, 28 January 2006 (UTC) Power to the Guestbooks.
#{{User:The thing/sig}} 23:04, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

HRWiki talk:Guestbooks

Darthvader66 — Sat, 28 Jan 2006 22:22:28 GMT

Darthvader66: forgot to add my name

==Guestbooks==
Recently, some users have [[#Original discussion|discussed]] the current guestbook situation, and we are formally proposing to get rid of guestbooks. Please note that this decision is still being decided, and is not policy yet. If you wish to give us your opinion on this, then please tell us here.

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===End the practice of guestbooks===
====Support====
# See reasons at the [[#Original discussion|original discussion]]. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC).
# If it's for the good of the Wiki, guestbooks should go. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:20, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# See Rogue Leader's comment. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 00:33, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# I'll go along with this - don't have a strong opinion on guestbooks, personally. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 00:37, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# See Venusy's comment. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 00:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# If it's for the greater good of the wiki, I gotta vote to get rid of 'em. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# See reasons at the original discussion --{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 02:51, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# I want people to read my user page, not just to sign it without knowing what else is there. {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 03:17, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# Don't really see the point of them. There's nothing a gues book can do that a User talk page can't. -[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 04:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# When it comes to the point that the only reason people come to the Wiki is so they can sign guestbooks, it's time for them to go (especially when people are trying to get a certain amount by a certain date.) I didn't mind guestbooks until Recent Changes had more "User:" edits than it did actual articles. We had this problem with the old wiki; nobody did anything except talk to each other and create fanstuff. This is not a free chatting site for other Homestar Runner fans, this is an encyclopedia. User pages are to make a brief description about yourself, not to have a blockquote with 20-something signatures in it. If you want to talk to other Homestar Runner fans, go create a Myspace or something. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 03:20, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
# See my comment below. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:37, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# See comment below. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:57, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# They were fun at first, but now it's just taking up space. I would appriciate it if we could let them go. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 14:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# Ditto Ation. -[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
# [[User:Homsad|Homsad]] I agree with the guys at the original discussion. Delete them!
#{{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 17:01, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 17:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC) Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with Ation here.
#[[User:68.161.144.158|68.161.144.158]] 19:44, 22 January 2006 (UTC) I don't want to shuffle through countless guestbook edits to find vandalism. If you want to compliment somebody, use their talkpage.
#:Hey there, 68.161.144.158. Do you have a user account? If so, you should use it when posting on this page. Thanks. Anonymous votes will not figure much (if at all) into the final tally. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:46, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# I wouldn't mind not having guestbooks (even though I did like signing them, the wiki's better off without them). {{User:Kilroy/sig}} 21:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#I have to agree with Kilroy. We are better off without them. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 21:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#They don't bother me, but if they bother other people, let's scrap them. I'm #22! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! (that's what we're trying to avoid, right?) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:50, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#They don't show that you like the site, it just shows that you can sign a guestbook. [[User:Nintendogs123|Nintendogs123]] 07:00, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 09:30, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
# {{User:Total Spaceship Guy3/sig}} 10:39, 23 January 2006 (UTC) I stand beside all off you on this. DELETE THEM! WHEEEEEEE!
# For the reasons stated by [[User:FireBird|Firebird]] above. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 14:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
# Delort 'em. I only made one because I thought everyone else had one. The arguments to keep them seem to boil down to "hey, I like guestbooks, what's the big deal?" and "they encourage interaction". Seems to me they encourage a kind of interaction that is in conflict with the goals of a good wiki. Baleet 'em. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:04, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 20:15, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
# I've never seen the point of guestbooks, shoutboards, and other such features. If people want to holla at someone, let 'em leave a message on the talk page. The site will only get bigger from here anyway, and anything we can do to conserve space is okay in my book. - [[User:Octan|Octan]] 2006-01-23, 15:16 (EST)
# [[User:Powered by The Kate|Powered by The Kate]] 02:53, 25 January 2006 (UTC) I have to say that they should be DELETED! I mean, it's nice to know that people have been to your page, but then they start getting outrageously huge and such. Yeah. And also, if people spend all their time signing guestbooks, they'll never take any time to, say, improve their own user page or make a good article about something. I like what Bill Martinson said, too.
#[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:54, 25 January 2006 (UTC) This is an encyclopedia about Homestar Runner. This is not a place to hang out, chit-chat, and power-sign guestbooks 90% of one's online time. Keep the vast majority of your talk page edits here to relevant H*R- and wiki-related discussions. Chit-chat and sign guestbooks at myspace, message boards, AIM, xanga, IRC...
#[[User:Point7Q|Point7Q]] 00:51, 26 January 2006 (UTC) I use HRWiki only as a knowledge base. I have no interest or stake in guestbooks at all. If people want to do stuff that has nothing to do with the stuff I'm interested in, that's fine, but not when it starts taking significant attention (especially admin attention) away from the true purpose of the site. Also, after having read the entire page, I think I can safely assume that Strong Bad would mock us mercilessly for spending so much time and energy on something like this.
#This is enough. End guestbooks. The hrwiki isn't Wikipedia, and it is on a funny cartoon, but...IT IS A WIKI. Meaning that it is an encyclopedia. Not a place to mindlessly sign your name on the nearest available guestbook. Just wait ten days, do whatever you decide to do with the things, and forget it ever happened. And stop driving the poor patrolors insane. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 22:10, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
#I have a gest book my self but I do realize that they are just getting to big. People should just have a favorit users section and put every body who asks them on there talk page on it.{{User:pieinbubsface/sig}} 17:18, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
#I'm going to have to agree that guestbooks should go. Even though I have one, always seeing people sigining guestbooks in the recent changes kind of gets annoying. Plus, the whole idea that they start relationships between people kind of got scewed by those who just sign them for the sake of signing them and don;t even read the userpage. [[User:Darthvader66|Darthvader66]] 22:22, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

====Oppose====
#I want the sweet sweet guestbooks. They let other users know they are there. --{{User:The thing/sig}} 13:48, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:<strike>Amost all of the people I know on the Wiki are from my or someone else's guestbook. Guestbooks make relationships! [[User:Bluebry muffin|Bluebry]] 03:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC)</strike>
#::Guestbooks make relationships, granted, but that's not the only way to make relationships. This H*R knowledge-base wiki is not designed to be a place to hang out and socialize. That's what the forums and [[HRWiki:IRC channel|IRC channel]] are for. The proper way to make relationships on this wiki is to make good edits; eventually people will notice you. One can supplement relationship-building through other venues while editing the wiki the way it was intended. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 03:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#Probably not as strong a point, but I like knowing that people have at least visited my page. I don't have a lot to offer on my page and I would actually like some comments. Restricting them to the talk page is probably best. [[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]] 03:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:I think that would be a good point ''if'' signing a guestbook meant that someone had actually looked at the page. When it's just a game, however, to see how many you can find and sign, it loses all meaning. Also, notice the little counter down at the bottom (where it says "This page has been accessed ''n'' times"). You can track that number to see how many people are visiting your page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:03, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::I can't speak for everyone else, but I at least read a page before signing a guest book. I thought that was the whole idea of one: letting the user know '''who it was''' that read the page rather than how many people have. [[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]] 20:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::And we appreciate that you read the pages. Unfortunately, as illustrated by the snippet from the recent changes in the comments section below, those who sign after reading are now a dwindling few. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#Is there anything wrong with guestbooks?--{{User:Benol/sig}} 15:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:Benol, you should read the guestbook discussion [[#Original discussion|below]]. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:22, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#The guestbooks aren't killing anyone, they're just fun. Why should we all act like a bunch of proper stuck ups on a Homestar Runner fan site? Now, if this were turning into a trend on Wikipedia, that'd be one thing, but this is a wiki on a silly, fun cartoon, and guestbooks are one of my fondest memories of this web site. What's next, will saying things like "ARROW'D!" be banned? Of course, I'm sure everyone is going to hate on me now and diss me like a bunch of geeks and nerds, just like what they did when somebody proposed that they could be saying "Strong Bad paints Marzipan" in [[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy]]. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#:Just for info: ''I'' was the one who proposed that. I don't exactly recall being catcalled about it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
#::Yeah, I noticed it was you right after I posted that. Well, I remembered everyone dissing you for that. There have been other times that users have been treated like crap for having a different opinion, though, and that wasn't a very good example, I guess. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#:::I agree, this may seem a bit extreme to some, but this part of the ''HRWiki'' family of websites is primarily for [[the facts]]. A more relaxed, "anything goes" atmosphere exists at the Fanstuff Wiki. Though this site isn't Wikipedia, we still strive to emulate their formal style, and attempt to limit most of our work here to building the Knowledge Base. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::Yeah, that's a good point. We should probably be on the look out for more things in Homestar Runner to pick at until they're not even funny anymore. For a more formal atmosphere, how about we all strangle each other as we argue over fhqwhgads? Is she a wiffle ball? Are [http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fhqwhgads Urban Dictionary's] theories true? And only we visiting the Fanstuff Wiki should watch Homestar for fun. Instead, let's try to find Homestar as boring as possible, so that all we can do is analyze crap.
#::::So, who's with me? Are we going to save the guestbooks, or are we going to suck all the life out of the wiki and make pages like [[Strong Bad Saying, "I Mean I (Did Something)"]] until nobody visits besides us? All right, perhaps I went a bit far. Anybody who's offended, no hard feelings. I just want sweet guestbook freedom. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#:::::Uh, ok. Did you even bother to read the reasons why we wish to get rid of guestbooks? We are just trying to make life easier for patrollers. Besides, signing a guestbook does not mean that you are even remotely interested in their page. It just shows that you have a fast mouse and tilde finger. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 06:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::::Look, I hate to have the whole site against me, especially since I probably won't have as much luck winning you guys back as Strong Bad does, but no, I didn't read the excuse list. Why, because I know it won't affect my opinion on guestbooks. In my experience, I've visited way more talk pages thanks to guestbooks, and I actually check out what's there, so that I can get to know a little more about these peoples before I post. But if you'd like to liberate the site from those ridiculous fan activities, go ahead. I'll keep doing what I'm doing even if it means getting banned! I feel a song, erm, rap coming on...
#::::::(Do not tell me what I can and cannot do when I rock) WHEN I ROCK, WHEN I ROCK...
#::::::DO, DO, DO, '''DO NOT'''! Tell me what I can and cannot do when I rock! Original material my crew nonstop! We're keeping it fly and we'll turn it out, y'all feeling some of that? No doubt! Yes, that's right, I'm keeping my guestbook up no matter what! And maybe some people will respect me for my independence, but I seriously doubt that. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#:::::::1) John Rue is a good man. 2) Breathe. Nothing's happening one way or the other for at least ten days. While persuasive oratory is called for, panic isn't; it's not like guestbooks are dead unless everyone's convinced in the next couple of hours. 3) You're not alone, per se; although I'm far from strongly supporting guestbooks, I don't strongly oppose them. 4) Since time ''isn't'' of the essence, '''do''' take the time to read the rest of this conversation (and also where it [[#Original discussion|started]]). It helps to know what's already been said. 5) Although I'm sure the shock got your fight-or-flight reflexes going, so far no one ''is'' hating on anyone; the conversation so far has been civilized and non-angry. I really hope it stays that way through its course; please help it do so. 6) In closing, I'd just like to make sure it doesn't go unnoticed that a recent edit included the words "That's a big but." —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:18, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::::::Mr. Katana (or should I call you Mr. X?), Like a wise user once said to me when I was just new to the wiki and didn't have a username: "''sarcasm doesn't exactly work wonders while attempting to argue a point''". And now for the actual reply. We all want to have friends and meet new ones. If this fact was false we wouldn't have such sites as MySpace. Yes, the wiki is a way to make friends, contrary to what some people were saying here, and no, the Fanstuff is not the only place to goof around. But (and that's a big but) making friends through random signatures left on your userpage is not the way to do it. Some userpages told the signers to leave a comment next to their sig. While some posted things like "Thenks for helping me" or "We had fun that one time", alot of them left comments like "Yay! I'm number 27!" or "What? Another guestbook?!" showing that they don't really care about you, your userpage or how good your edits are. It just became a wall intended to be place for art pieces but ended up for ugly graffiti. If you want to make friends, have you thought of going to the chatroom? Having a project, a big one? Think about the wiki as school. An open one where you can make everything. Do you make friends by going to random people with a pen and writing something on their back? Or do you make friends by making something beautiful for all to see? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:58, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::::::First off, check what I posted before I was editing conflict'd. And second, too much ugly graffiti? I love too much ugly graffiti! No, seriously, where I come from graffiti is the finest art form around, but that's not really the point. This wiki isn't a school, unless it's the Crazy Go Nuts University, and I couldn't give a crap less whether people care about me or not, as you can plainly see. That's how I met basically everyone here, and that's how I met all my friends here who probably all hate me now. Anyway, even if it is a big waste of time, it's just freaking user pages, not actual articles, and from what I know, these guestbooks haven't caused any tragedy. So there, ban me for my guestbook. It's a Free Country, USA and I will not be silenced! {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#::::::::::1) Please see my most recent edit above. 2) Yeah, I've made the school analogy before, but I was just thinking "everything that's ''good'' or has the potential to be good about school, hopefully without the really crappy side effects." I.e. ideally it ''would'' be a place for creativity, spontaneity, and individual expression, plus communal, supportive collaboration, but without getting stuffed into lockers or simply called a dumb***. Hopefully it would ''not'' be a militaristic institution for the mass-producing of servile factory fodder either. 3) I'd be really surprised if anybody on the wiki hates you right now, ''including'' those with the opposite opinion on this argument. Guestbooks ''do'' make friendships (though meaningful talk page edits do so even better), and if the friends mean more to you than the guestbook, then even if guestbooks go the way of MXPX ''and'' the buffalo, you'll have what mattered in the first place. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:28, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::::::::Yeah, we're on the same page. Or, more accurately, we're on two different pages which are right next to each other, but that counts too. One thing though, I don't think MXPX will be taking the buffalo route any time soon - I just heard them on [http://www.tv.com/users/DarthKatanaX/profile.php?action=show_blog&entry=175628 Burnout Revenge] and all. So, to close it up, I'll halfta go check that out, and hopefully none of my friends will take my flames personally. You might want to check out the Fight for the Guestbooks on my talk page, anyway. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#::::::::::::Not long ago, before guestbooks were popular, we ''still'' managed to communicate, form friendships, plan projects, and so on... through the use of ''talk threads'' and ''IRC chat''. No one is going to be asking you to stop communicating. No one is going to prevent you from reading user pages and posting meaningful comments on the talk pages. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::::::::::The advantage of a guestbook, of course, is that it ''solicits'' input from other users, where as an "unadvertised" talk page isn't likely to get unprovoked discussion that often. I ''have'' seen several creative examples of snagging input (input beyond a signature) already in play, though: I mentioned [[User:Has Matt?|Has Matt]]'s list of things Homsar should say; Heimstern's recurring [[User:Heimstern Läufer#German translation fun|German H*R quote]] also springs to mind, as does Tony Stony's [[User:Tony Stony#Me (screenshot from iMirror)|Frankenpic]]. These 1) provoke people to sign, 2) are H*R related and require H*R skillz, and 3) are fun. I think they'd do what guestbooks set out to do, but do so much better. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:18, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#I think having a guestbook is a good idea; i would however support the concept of moving them to a subpage. {{User:DJ Teh Cheat/sig}} 16:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#Same here. I didn't see an option to vote for that however. That would clear up the problem of confusing the edits with userpage vandalism. {{User:Smileyface11945/sig}} 00:05, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#I don't want to get rid of my guestbook. They let people know they've arrived. --{{User:The 386/sig}} 17:07, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:Well, all it really lets you know is that they arrived at your guestbook. There's no real reason to expect—or even believe—that the person was on your page any longer than the time it took to type <code><nowiki>#~~~~</nowiki></code>. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:13, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#I want 'em, but keep one only and keep 'em friendly, not competitive. {{User:LePorello/sig}} 19:19, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Marth 99/sig}} 22:05, 22 January 2006 (UTC) I'm with LePorello. I've never been competitive about these, and besides, like Darth said, they're just fun. I don't feel they are interfering with the wiki.
#:Perhaps you should see the recent changes snippet from earlier today in the comments section below (featuring none other than LePorello's edits). I'm wondering what your (and his) reply would be to my remarks there. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::That's just one person. Although I agree with his statement, I don't agree with rapid signing. I, like Has Matt, look at a person's page before signing it. I give a short comment and I occasionally get a response as well. That works better that marathon signing. {{User:Marth 99/sig}} 22:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::We wouldn't be having this discussion if it were just one person. When it comes to the point that you need an entire page devoted to a subject just to discuss it, that's indicative of an actual problem. Some of the replies in this section would make it sound like we're want to stop people from saying they like someone's page or from communicating at all. ''This is not the case.'' You would still be perfectly free to post comments in threads on the talk page, just like always. I think that's an even better way to get a response and start a dialogue that could lead to a friendship. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::Ooooh. Didn't realize I was being a rapid-signing idiot there. Hence, I now resolve to actually read the user pages '''before''' signing guestbooks. (This doesn't change my vote. I'm still for 'em.) {{User:LePorello/sig}} 23:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#"Countless guestbook edits"? I think some of the supporters are exaggerating a bit. {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#:Apparently, you do not read recent changes. Recently, there has been a ''huge'' spike in recent user page edits. This is problematic for people who patrol, since this was almost always trolling before guestbooks. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 02:45, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#Although I don't really care about them, they haven't been bugging me at all. I don't mind if they stay, personally. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:11, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
# I agree with LePorello. Only one, keep em friendly. [[User:TheGreatLogini|TheGreatLogini]] 12:47, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#I think we should be able to keep our guestbooks if we want to. {{User:Tampo/sig}} 16:48, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
# This is a bittersweet oppose. I have a guestbook and I like it. I like seeing who has read my page. I think I was one of the original 6 guestbooks and my guest book dates back to October. I have even put up cute things to try to get a few certain people **cough cough**JoeyDay, Tom, HomestarCoder, Phlip, Joshua, Jay, The Paper, DorianGray, FireBird **cough cough** to sign it. I wish we can roll back the clock or restirct the creation of new guestbooks (grandfather the old ones in). I think the reason that Userpage edits have skyrocketed is that TBC haven't put a lot out lately and frankly I'm bored. Today I logged in about 4 times (because its a monday) and once I saw that there is no new toon, I check out user pages of my comrads. As I seem to be seriously outnumbered, I will delete mine if it comes to that but I will be sad to see it go. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:47, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#I don't see anything wrong with guestbooks. The primary "problem" seems to be that it floods Recent Changes. Increase the number of things that appear in Recent Changes, then. Besides, it's not like other things don't flood Recent Changes (Image templates, category additions, bots, etc). The other problem was that there's an increasing number of edits that have to be checked for vandalism. As the wiki grows, there'll be more edits, user namespace or otherwise. It's not that hard to check edits for vandalism. And that's my six cents. -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 10:47, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
#:Read the page. The primary "problem" is not the recent changes. That's a side effect. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
#Keep the guestbooks, they're cool to have. If you're so terribly worried about recent changes, then just move guestbooks to the talkpage or a subpage. And to the people who say that guestbooks should be banned because you think they are pointless, well that's the most retarded thing I've heard lately, if you don't care for them then JUST DON'T USE THEM! And the claims about recent changes flooding sound pretty hyped up, the same kind of crap I hear from the opponents of userboxes on Wikipedia. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] 14:31, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
#:Once again, recent changes is just the straw that broke the camel's back. The real problem is that guestbooks have become a mere shell of what they were intended to be. Since there are real and better ways of communicating, we are going to do away with guestbooks in favor of talk threads. On another note, it's not like everybody doesn't know what the word is there that you "censored", and it is not appropriate for this discussion. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:02, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
#::OK, It's dot com, I removed it. Happy now? I just get tired of all this crap, all of these people who insist upon removing something others like, just because they disagree. OK, so use talk threads instead if you like, but ''why not just have both''? Seriously, what's wrong with having options? [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] 17:39, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::Wow, two of my best friends here fighting, better grab some popcorn! No, seriously, when it comes to this one I just halfta "go Switzerland" - that's what my homies call it. So, Yeltensic, good job backing up the guestbooks, and It's dot com, good job keeping this site safe for everyone. There. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#::::Well, you can go Switzerland and still grab some popcorn. When I play a video game and two people do damage to each other at the same time, so that they come out still even, I call it 1812ing. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User:Yeltensic/Save the Guestbooks!!!|Sign your name here]] 01:45, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::Actually, the battle seems to be over, at least for now. So maybe you should wait on the popcorn. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User:Yeltensic/Save the Guestbooks!!!|Sign your name here]] 01:47, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
#I think that we should keep the guestbooks. I mean, I always enjoy signing a guestbook. It's always fun to look and see who visited your page. I always enjoy it when people sign my page. It just lets you know that there are people that look at your page. I support them. They may be pointless, but they're fun and interesting. I mean, if you got rid of everything pointless, where would I be?--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 17:17, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
#One word: "Overregulation". --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 03:12, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Seriously/sig}}
#Agree with Darth Katana X. Not to say the HRWiki isn't awesome ('cause it is!), but ''come on!'' Wikipedia has more "silly" "un-encyclopaediac" stuff like this, and Wikipedia is supposed to be an ''encyclopaedia'', not a website about a ''funny'' web cartoon. Anyway, I'm fine with restricting guestbooks to one per userpage, and one signature per guestbook. But banning them is kinda pointless, guestbooks really don't do much harm (and yes, I did read the discussion below), and one can just filter out the "User" namespace on the recent changes if it gets in the way (which it really). {{User:Rainer/sig}} 06:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
#Even being a member of the Recent Changes Patrol, or something like that, I don't see what's wrong with guestbooks. They let people know they exist without vandalizing. Plus, '''if users just put in the summary that they signed the guestbook, we won't have to be as paranoid about it'''. Sure, they're pointless and take up space, but come on! It's not like this is the Encyclopaedia Brittanica Wiki. It's the Homestar Runner frickin' wiki! It's about a funny little web cartoon! Now, if there ''was'' an Encyclopaedia Brittanica Wiki, and this was it, sure, I would oppose. But this is the Homestar Runner Wiki. Laugh a little. ''Live'' a little. I mean, even Wikipedia has some pointless joke stuff. Now they would oppose guestbooks, sure, but that's because of the difficulty of checking recent changes; they make hundreds of edits in a minute. But on this wiki, edits are made much less frequently. We have time, people. We can mark things as patrolled nice and, uh, relaxily. Hoping they don't get rid of the sweet sweet guestbooks, {{User:Gnome of Fury/sig}} 21:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
# It's a great way to communicate on other user's pages without asking them to. Agree to oppose deleting them. Keep the guestbooks! --{{User:Nckinfn04/sig}} 00:02, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
#I like seeing everyone that visted my page so i can vist them its fun that way!--{{User:djm1791/sig}} 14:39, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

====Comments====
* The primary objections seem to be 1) that they make userpage vandalism harder to spot, and 2) they make a lot of "empty" edits to check out in general. Stux suggested restricting them to User Talk pages; although it wouldn't solve the second issue it would solve the first. Although I don't like them, I'm not so sure they need to go entirely; they ''do'' have some benefit in community-building, plus banning them even from talk pages seems a little draconian. (If the defense were that they're not wiki-related talk, many of us would be [[User talk:AbdiViklas#Solfège...|guilty]].) Certainly only one per user per lifetime should be allowed, but I'm not ready to vote to end them entirely and everywhere. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:24, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:I think the reason that people are ready to get rid of them entirely is because they are not being used as real guestbooks. A signature on one does not mean that the user page was appreciated or even read. Some users actively campaign (via talk page spam) to try and get more signatures, which just drives up frivolous edits more. This is why I believe they should be eliminated, not just moved. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:33, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*I wish there was some way to keep certain guestbooks, such as the ones that were around before they were a fad, or the ones used actually as guestbooks, not as a challenge to see how many signatures they can get by a certain date... But there's not really a way to fairly decide that, is there? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:02, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:Yeah, it's kind of like when one noisy student ruins the field trip for the whole class. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:53, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*::I hear you, Thunderbird. But yes, that ''would'' be quite difficult to justify reasonably: "Your guestbook is appropriately motivated; you can keep it! But ''your'' guestbook is a mercenary guestbook; you can't!" I personally don't find the argument of function compelling (not "proper" guestbooks); frivolous edit and talk page spamming ''are'' concerns, though. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*Since I seem to be saying a lot in defense of guestbooks, I just want to play the other side for a sec.: There's no reason people can't simply link to blogs or personal websites which have guestbooks of their own. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:Just curious, but why ''are'' you saying so much in the defense of guestbooks? You don't have one. Almost none of the people with whom you collaborate most often have one. Have you ever formed a meaningful friendship through one? I myself have signed a few guestbooks (back when that's what they were), but nothing substantial came of it. Again, I'm just curious. :) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*::Right; not only do I not have one, but I've never bothered to sign one that I can remember. It's not ''just'' that I'm playing Devil's Advocate, arguing for them since there seemed to be few voices for them at first; I do actually feel that they don't necessarily need to go. Mind, I ''definitely'' think at the least "guestbook reform" is necessary, and would like to see their form and function not only preserved but improved; I just have misgivings about a cold-turkey crackdown. I'm certainly not going to be broken up if they go, since I don't think they're doing as much good or meaning as much as their owners perceive them to, but I'd like to keep the "anything goes in your userspace ''except''" list no longer than necessary. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:08, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*If this thing didn't evolve to be a fad I would even fight for the right to keep them. But now they just litter the recent changes page. This days are the first time I had to use the MainSpace filter to a actually ''see'' the edits {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*Finally! I am so tired of this stupid fad! You sign one guestbook, another million pop up. They serve no purpose to the wiki and, frankly, they're now really unoriginal. Are we just owning and signing guestbooks because everyone else is? I mean, when it comes to taste, everyone just follows each other like sheep. Why else are the music charts here in England full of crap? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:57, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:By the way, if you haven't liked them, there's always been an avenue of dissent: not to sign them. I've never quite figured out the cases where somebody signs a guestbook and simultaneously complains about it. Seems to me by signing you'd just be helping them spread. (I know, there can be social obligation, etc. Just saying.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:08, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*::Ok, I confess. Like many other users, I just sign guestbooks to increase the number of links to ''my'' user page! Yes, I know. It's a form of self-advertising. Stick your signature everywhere and more people visit your user page. Besides, all I put is "My autograph? Sure!", giving no feedback whatsoever. I use talk pages to do that. I should probably be locked away for such crimes. Anyway, the main thing is that these points alone probably show why we should get rid of them. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:37, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*just because you consider it a fad, it's a USER PAGE. as in, the USER gets to decide what to do with it. and if they want a guestbook, it's not up for the wiki to decide. this sounds like a meaningless rule designed to give more control to a humble majority. "I don't like jumproping! nobody else can jumprope from now on!"{{User:DJ Teh Cheat/sig}} 16:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:Actually, user page control is not absolute. We do give quite a bit of leeway as to what you can put on a user page, but there are [[HRWiki:User_space#What_should_I_avoid.3F|certain restrictions]]. If the community decides (and not by just a simple majority) that it's best if we eliminate guestbooks, then we will. But we're not taking this decision lightly—It has simply reached a boiling point. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*::Right; despite what I ''just'' said a few edits above about "anything goes in your userspace except," it's ''not'' your private property, and it ''is'' for the wiki to do decide. As is stated somewhere in the restrictions It's dot com just linked to, you can find unfettered freedom of personal expression simply by linking to an external site. You can ''even'' host a guestbook there and link to it! —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:08, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*Is there a way to keep any user X's guestbook at "User:X/guestbook" and modify code somewhere to make it so that no changes made to to pages of the form "User:X/guestbook" would appear in the Recent changes log? (I understand this opens the door for unchecked vandalism.) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:46, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:Well, it would be possible from a technical standpoint, but I'm not very comfortable with random users' edits not showing up in the recent changes. Besides, the recent changes flood is just an annoying ''symptom'' of the underlying cause (that guestbooks aren't being used as intended). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:17, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
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*These three consecutive edits illustrate the supporters' positions precisely: If you were a speed reader, you ''might'' could get through all three of those pages in less than a minute each, but would you have enjoyed the experience at all? I think not. Those who would read a user page are no longer signing guestbooks, and those who now sign guestbooks are just clogging up the recent changes. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:I have to say that I am not a person that goes on a random guestbook signing spree, subsequently clogging up recent changes. If I find a user page which I haven't read, I read it, if I am interested and have time, and if that user has a guestbook, I sign it as well. I do not just look for the guestbook on a page and see how many I can sign in a minute. However, I know I can't speak for the rest of the Wiki, which is why we are having this conversation in the first place. You have to admit, whether you like it or not, guestbooks have affected this Wiki in a huge way; some think it's affected it for the good, some think for the bad. I know that a lot of friends have been made through guestbooks, and that they can be utilized to function in a positive fashion, but I also have to admit that they have caused a lot of problems in the Wiki as well. I am not a strong supporter or opposer of the idea of taking away guestbooks. It does seem kinda totalitarian and 1984-ish to ban guestbooks from the Wiki, but on the other hand, this Wiki's main purpose is not to have fun, but to document anthing and everything Homestar Runner. While there are a lot of ways we can have fun in the process of doing that, it seems as if guestbooks have ventured beyond the realm of a fun, innocent little thing that shows how valued you are to a way to get attention and compete to be the first one to sign. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 21:10, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*::i agree with the beginning of what has matt just said. not everyone just goes on for a guestbook, and if you think it clogs up the recent changes, '''deal with it.''' that is just the way it goes. i know lots of people have made friends, i would too if i felt like being an actual user. guestbooks are good. [[User:69.162.201.219|69.162.201.219]] 00:43, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*:::We ''have'' been dealing with it... for a while now. If they weren't being abused I would happily continue dealing with it. But since other, more productive ways to get to know each other can take their place (like talk threads), we'd rather stop dealing with it because we're ''tired'' of dealing with it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:52, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*::::true, i must admit. it's just that guestbooks seem like, almost....icebreakers. you are not going to go to a talk page and type, "want to be my friend?" instead, you will have signatures that you will go to, and their you will laugh at the stuff they say. then you will eventually just leave notes on their talk pages, and it will be great. [[User:69.162.201.219|69.162.201.219]] 01:00, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
* To be honest, I don't think the "Recent Changes Flooding" argument is a particularly strong one. Whenever I look at Recent Changes, the two things that catch my eye a lot more than Guestbook entries, even frequent ones, are the occasional flood of <nowiki>{{web-screenshot}}</nowiki> and similar edits that go on a lot of images all at once, and when users make a whole bunch of minor edits to their sigs, their user pages, etc., all at once. (I'm guilty of doing this myself now and then.) Very rarely do I see guestbooks as causing a lot of spam in the Recent Changes list, and they personally don't bother me. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 05:15, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*:The web-screenshot floods are a necessary evil for us not getting sued (and I'm not getting into that now) and will stop the moment the project is done. If users would just learn to use the "Show preview" button before all those minor changes it wouldn't flood the RC page. The only thing that is left flooding is the guestbooks, and we are discussing those right now. Please don't try to change the subject or pointing the finger on other stuff. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:25, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*::Besides, KieferSkunk, the point I keep trying to make is that the recent changes flood is just indicative of a bigger problem. But never mind that for a second... You can easily hide image edits by switching the namespace to "Image" and pressing "Invert selection". (Also, once we finally get all the images tagged, we won't have those floods anymore.) I sometimes use the same trick with the "User" namespace just so I can see the "real" edits, but this isn't a viable option in the long run for patrollers because vandalism would go completely unchecked. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:56, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*:::I realize that, and I'm not trying to change the subject or point fingers. I'm just pointing out that, to me personally, the Guestbook-related edits don't bother me - they seem to take up much less room in Recent Changes (at least whenever I look at them) than other edits, and I just sorta tune them out most of the time. I don't see it as being as significant a problem as others do, apparently. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 20:13, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*Has it occurred to anyone that since a guestbook generally has its own subheading on a userpage, the word "guestbook" or some form thereof automatically appears in the edit summary, meaning that they can easily be distinguished from userpage vandalism on recent changes? And that's really the whole case against them, the recent changes problem, is it not? [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User talk:Yeltensic|Save the guestbooks]] 19:06, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*:No, as Dot com explained in response to your comment above, the recent changes problem is NOT the primary problem. The primary problem is that guestbooks are not being used reasonably - there's too many instances of "I need to sign as many guestbooks as possible / get as many sigs as possible in the shortest period of time." {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 19:09, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*:Perhaps I should clarify. What I meant is that the recent changes problem is the only ''valid'' concern. The fact that you dislike them, or the way that they are use, is not a valid concern as far as grounds for banning them. For instance, I don't like rap music, does that mean it should be illegal? No, of course not, because other people like it. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User talk:Yeltensic|Save the guestbooks]] 21:10, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*::That argument would hold if we were trying to ban guestbooks from the Internet as a whole. This is the Homestar Runner Wiki, and we have lots and lots of policy as to what's allowed on pages. For example, you're only allowed two personal images. You're not allowed to put a blog on your userpage. You're not allowed to post fanstuff in the knowledge base. You're not allowed to say R-rated things. Nobody would stop you from creating an external guestbook and linking to it from your userpage. "Other people like it" is not a complete argument. Admin'ing on the H*RWiki has taught me that lots and lots of people like to go from page to page and replace the character names with "POOP LOL" but nobody thinks we should allow that. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 21:24, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*::Um, yeah, but POOP LOL harms articles, guestbooks don't do that. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User talk:Yeltensic|Save the guestbooks]] 14:56, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
*::Yeltensic, I find it ironic that by blindly signing as many guestbooks as you can find [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Yeltensic&limit=28&go=first as fast as you can] you are essentially proving the supporters' two main points. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:53, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*:::Good job, you just completely missed what I was doing. I was a) trying to fit in as many self-ads as possible before guestbooks are banned, and b) protesting this laughably absurd policy proposal. As I've wondered on my userpage, is there some conspiracy going on that spans two sites, Wikipedia and HRWiki? It's odd that the absurd "guestbook crisis" here was made up around the same time as the "userbox crisis" over there. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User talk:Yeltensic|Save the guestbooks]] 21:10, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*::::What, because they're going to be banned within the next ten minutes? You've got plenty of time for that. If you're a Wikipedia regular, then perhaps you've heard of not disrupting the wiki to make a point. It seems that in the time you've spent griping about this you could have actually ''read'' those user pages in an effort to get to know the people. '''(By the way, nothing prevents anyone from picking users from the recent changes list, reading their user pages, and then leaving meaningful feedback on the talk pages.)''' This just goes to show that guestbooks do not promote anything more than their own perpetuation. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:31, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*::::Well, how familiar are you with my offline life? I have exams this week, and I might not have all week to sign them left and right. And I did actually read the pages, but later I'll go and read them more closely, by finding them in my contribs. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User talk:Yeltensic|Save the guestbooks]] 14:56, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
*:::::Sorry if it seems like I'm picking on Yeltensic, but: [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&offset=0&limit=50&target=Yeltensic&namespace=0 Yeltensic's main namespace edits] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&offset=0&limit=50&target=Yeltensic&namespace=1 Yeltensic's main namespace talk page edits]. No offense, but this is the sort of behavior we try to discourage - users who sign up to do nothing but edit userpages that never contribute to the actual H*RWiki pages, the reason we are all here in the first place. We're seeing too many users who sign up only or mainly to sign guestbooks / collect sigs in their own guestbook. There are lots of webpages devoted to that - try Myspace. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 22:16, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*::::::Well if I ever were going to get around to editing HRWiki pages, I definitely won't now, with you acting like that. Methinks I'll just stick to editing my userpage, signing guestbooks, avoiding you, all of those fun things. Good-bye and have a nice day. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User talk:Yeltensic|Save the guestbooks]] 03:18, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
*::::::Anyway, by joining lovely little discussions like this to defend guestbooks, I free up time for other users to edit articles instead of doing this. There are other ways to participate than editing articles. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User talk:Yeltensic|Save the guestbooks]] 14:56, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::::I've said this before to other people, Yeltensic. This wiki is an encyclopedia about Homestar Runner. It's not a place to hang out and chit-chat about nothing relevant to the betterment of this encyclopedia. Guestbooks are only a side-effect of the main problem that I have. And it is people who bring IRC, the forums, and myspace to this wiki. People know this is why we are here, yet they continue to treat this wiki as something it's not intended to be. Your reaction to all of this, to Homestar Coder and others, just keeps pushing me further and further into the support category. I don't think the people who were willing to comprimise appreciate that very much. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:07, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you, Bazooka Joe, for responding much better than I would have. I'm in the support category, but I feel bad about responsible users who contribute a lot to the Knowledge Base having to delete their guestbooks just because some people come here only for chitchat. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 02:13, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
*A teeny little bit of Devil's advocate here: So, there's a part of me that wonders if this fad would just go away if we left it alone. I find that, with the exception of those who are protesting this proposed ban, people are becoming less interested in guestbooks (notice how many people deleted their guestbooks right about the time Bubsty left). Maybe I haven't been looking at the right times, though. I guess I just wanted to get it out there that it ''might'' not be necessary to carry out this ban. Like I said, though, this is largely Devil's advocate; I'm not really against getting rid of guestbooks. Thanks for putting up with my rambling. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 20:03, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*:Then again, I'm just realizing now that the disapperance of some guestbooks (mostly by good users) means that a greater portion are of the existing guestbooks are frivolous. So, maybe that's a good reason to go ahead with the ban. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 20:09, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*I, like Heimstern, have been somewhat abstaining from voting one way or another in this issue. There are probably more people who are somewhat ambivalent to the issue. I, myself don't have a guestbook, but I have signed many in my day, as I've mentioned before. I think the hardest thing to swallow is having to part with something that been attached to and they pride themselves in (be it for frivolous reasons or not). When I first saw them, I thought it was a great idea. I didn't know it had become the nuisance it is now until i started reading this dicussion. Personally, I still feel like eliminating them altogether seems like a rather extreme solution to the problem. Of course, like Heimstern said, many good users have voluntarily removed their guestbooks and what remains are the seemingly fanatical ones. It seems that a tug-of-war has arised over the desire for some users to have as much freedom over their userspace as possible, versus the need for this wiki to grow as a community and in order to do so it must have some reasonable structure to it. The willingness of many established members to give up their guestbooks is a clear sign that there is a problem. I think if the remaining guestbook users can show and exercise some restraint over their guestbook presentation and signing (i.e. having only one guestbook, not racing over signatures, etc), the general guestbook atmosphere can change to where a compromise can be reached and instead of banning guestbooks altogether, a set of reasonable guidelines are established on proper guestbook etiquette. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 23:39, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*:You'd think so, wouldn't you? You'd also think that guestbooks wouldn't have grown to the problem they are now, but they have. You'd think that now that this issue is front and center, users wouldn't ''still'' be racing across the wiki playing guestbook hunt, but they are. Guestbooks are neither are a longstanding feature of the wiki nor something irreplaceable, and they need to go. The culture developing from the racing guestbook hunters seems to center entirely on the user namespace, something that is at odds with the purposes of this project. Ironically, though these users must spend a lot of time on user pages, retention of the info there cannot possibly be very high when the total time spent on any one page is less than a minute. There are better ways to communicate than that. For more than a year we got by without them and we will get by once they're gone. You might note that you and I have collaborated on several projects and know each other pretty well (relatively speaking) without once ever having signed a guestbook on the other's page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:44, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
*i don't think guestbooks do much on either side. the recent changes thing doesn't matter much. also, people have the right not read a page. really, in my opinion, this whole page doesn't matter. {{User:Seriously/sig}} 23:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
* Personally, I don't have one. They take a lot of space for those really popular folks, and seem to be a list of who all likes the person _BUT_ I still think they are a part of the user page and, while an easy target for vandalism, could also be used in a positive manner. The maintenence of a "clean" Guestbook should be the responsiblity of the User. [[User:The Monarch of Rhythm and Blues|Elvis]] 00:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
*I think this is a bit of a waste of time, look how long this page has grown! If it's cloggin' up the recent changes your worried about, this page would have made it worse. :P But I have no strong opinion for either side. If people don't like these, I'll delete mine. - [[User_talk:Sahm|talk]] [[User:Sahm|Sahm]] [[Special:Contributions/Sahm|ribs]] 02:28, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
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===If the consensus is to end the practice, then what?===
====Delete them altogether====
#— [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 00:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:FireBird/sig}} 04:15, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:I'm having a hard time understanding this position. All the arguments against guestbooks, it seems to me, center around what happens when people ''edit'' them (clogs recent changes, etc.). Aside from the possibility that having them around might incite new ones (which the "closed" tag idea [[HRWiki talk:Standards#Other|below]] ought to curtail), what exactly are they hurting? Even if deletion is necessary, is there a reason to go in and delete them by force with a "the notice has been up" defense rather than starting by asking the user to do so? It seems so... [[Wikipedia:Vogon|Vogon]]. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 08:19, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::Keep in mind that almost nothing is actually ever deleted from the wiki. If people want to visit their old guestbook, it will still be in the history. You ask what they're hurting, and several people have said that they clog the recent changes. While I agree with this, it isn't the basis of my opposition to them because I think it is a weak argument and is only a side-effect of the underlying problem: namely, at some point in the not-too-distant past, guestbooks reached a critical mass and exploded. When that happened, they lost all meaning and became a game. In other words, if guestbooks were currently being used as they were intended to be used, then I would fight tooth and nail to keep them and ''to heck'' with the annoyance of the patrollers. ''But they're not,'' and I have no reasonable expectation that simply ''moving'' them would change the current behavior even one iota. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:28, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::Oops—I wasn't very clear there. I meant what would "dormant" guestbooks hurt—i.e. something like closed STUFFs, with a little notice saying "This is from before we instituted our '''guestbook standard'''; please do not edit." (Elaboration [[#Other|below]] on how this could work.) Yeah, I think we're all pretty clear on what guestbooks currently hurt. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:Homsad|Homsad]] Delete them!
#{{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 17:04, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Gafaddict/sig}} 19:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 01:28, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 09:30, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Total Spaceship Guy3/sig}} 10:35, 23 January 2006 (UTC) Burn them all!
#For the very clear reasons [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] stated above. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 15:21, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:43, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:37, 23 January 2006 (UTC) — for the many reasons It's dot com has tirelessly explained (and, sadly, had to reiterate); the other proposals just aren't workable due to overhead, judgement calls, etc. The purpose of this website is not to provide a meeting place for people who are more interested in making new chat-buddies than in contributing to the encyclopedia. Let's get over our own egos and do what's best for the wiki.
#[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 20:14, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 20:57, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:Point7Q|Point7Q]] 00:52, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

====Move existing ones to subpages and lock them====
#{{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:28, 22 January 2006 (UTC) I think that if someone really ''really'' values their guestbook, they should have the option of moving it to a subpage and keeping it there for the sake of documenting history.
#:Couldn't they copy it to their own computer? Also, they can still see it in their page history. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::I'm just saying they should have the option. By the way, I'm saving my guestbook to my computer.
#:::I think we should fight subpage [[Wikipedia:Creep (project management)|creep]] as much as possible. If we disallow guestbooks, then those subpages would no longer serve the project. But if someone just wants to see one, all they would need to do is look at an old version of their page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:33, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::There are other reasons for wanting to keep one than sentimental value. Guestbooks—like user pages in general—are excusable exercises in vanity. The whole point of one is so people can see how many people like you, or at least have acknowledged you. Though this may not be a particularly noble motivation, it's hardly unreasonable. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:42, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::But again, it's not like the comments would disappear from the histories. Why add to the already growing problem of subpages? Talk page discussions are just as good as (nay, better than) guestbook entries, because actual thought goes into leaving messages. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:53, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:Bluebry muffin|Bluebry]] 03:20, 22 January 2006 (UTC) As said above - Most people I met were from guestbooks.
#:<nowiki>*</nowiki>sigh* Once more, you would have a chance to copy the info to your computer, or look at it in your page history. (Broken record = me) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::I know, but I want to meet more people, not ones from January. [[User:Bluebry muffin|Bluebry]] 18:42, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::Have you tried looking around the wiki yourself? Like the recent changes page or talk pages? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:56, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#For someone who knows what it's like to have something that took a long time taken from him, I'm voting about sub-paging and locking. At least give them that. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#Guestbooks were and always will be a major part of HRwiki history (not to mention all these arguements). I at least think that we should leave them on the Wiki. Taking them off would be like TBC disbanding Teen Girl Squad: sure, it used to be minor, but it became a big piece of the big enchilada. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 17:58, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:<nowiki>*</nowiki>sigh again* Is anybody reading the previous discussion? They won't disappear from the histories. Hardly anything ever does around here. As for being a major part of our history, I would tend to disagree with you there. They're a fad. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:17, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::I ''was'' reading the above arguements, thank you. But my point is that fads can make history books too. What about mullets? They were pretty big way back when. Now, I agree with the fact that they're not the biggest part of history, but maybe just have a little about them on the history page or something. Or keep some examples, like the ones that revolutionized guestbooks. Not trying to sound like a speech here, but, well, you know. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 18:27, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::Well, what goes on the [[HRWiki:A History|history]] page is outside the scope of this thread (although whatever the outcome of this discussion is should definitely be noted there). Any links on that page can just as easily point to old versions of a page as anything else. By the way, by "revolutionized", do you mean "made a perfectly fine practice into a problem that then had to be dealt with"? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:34, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::Your point has seeped into my brain. But what if people took a screenshot of their guestbook in its final state, hosted it on a site, and provided a link to it on their userspace? Personally, I think that's a good idea for (a)anyone who wants to preserve their guestbook and (b)anyone who still wants the world to see it. That way, it's not really cluttering the wiki. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 18:40, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::I suppose you could do that. Couldn't you also just put in a link to an old version of the page, [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:It%27s_dot_com&oldid=221198 kinda like this]? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:55, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::::I guess it would be the choice of the user, then. Pages like this would load faster than an image (especially if you had dial-up like me). {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 18:57, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::::Heck, as long as you're hosting things externally and linking to them, you can keep your guestbook rolling (as I've mentioned somewhere else on this sprawling page). —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:51, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::::::i agree with abdiviklas. {{User:Seriously/sig}} 14:12, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

====Other====
* '''Restrict them to talk pages; one per user; and require input beyond signatures.''' They could even be thematic; [[User:Has Matt?|Has Matt]]'s list of "Things I Wish Homsar Would Say" would be a good example (except in this scenario it would be on his talk page). The goal would be meaningful statements that would keep all the good aspects of guestbooks (recognition, friendship-building) without the qualities that started this discussion. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:But who will decide what's meaningful and what's not? Some will argue that "YA!!! IM #143! =^^=" is quite meaningful. And if some kind of standard is reached, who will remove the bad stuff from the user's page? The user? Sysop? Having something you wrote removed can triger alot of flame wars. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:45, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*::Yeah, good questions. First: once we're talking about talk pages, I for one would be cool with pretty much anything. As I've hinted earlier, some might not find discussions of the [[User talk:AbdiViklas#...And the Absoluteness of Absolute Pitch|absoluteness of absolute pitch]] the most ''meaningful'' talk page content. But I think the policy could be stated fairly clearly: don't just leave your name; try to say something substantive that will make the user happy or tell him or her something about you. The fact that your #143 only makes ''you'' happy, and isn't a particularly intrinsic personal quality. Secondly: Whoa now, yeah. ''If'' this conversation results in a change in policy, then I feel like it should be implemented by leaving the owner a note asking to do it him or herself. He or she can then either delete or move and convert it (though the vast majority would need to just start from scratch—which isn't so bad, really). Rather than moving to subpages and locking, my proposal would be to '''add a tag to existing guestbooks telling other users not to add to them, and then enforce it with warnings'''. It's not like we're dealing with vandalism on the Main Page here; once somebody accidentally signs a "closed" guestbook and is warned, they're not going to continue. If they do, they need to be banned anyway. But closed STUFFs, for instance, survive just fine without locking. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:58, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:::I think what you said, Abdi, has much merit. Like I said before, outright forceful deletion seems rather, drastic. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:52, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 08:29, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::That's a decent idea, but it definitely achieves rigamarole status. I vote for keeping it the way it is, but like I say, good one anyway. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#::::Oh-ho-ho-ho! (devilish laugh) Sorry about that, I just felt like this place needed a random Strong Bad quote. Okay, back on task. Why don't we just put something in the standards page that says something like, "Although guestbooks in the Wiki are discouraged, you are allowed to have ''one'' guestbook on a subpage or on your talk page." Just another idea I'm throwing out here. You'll probably find some problems with this idea one way or another, I just felt it needed to be mentioned. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 14:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::I would not have a problem with comments restricted to talk pages, but why would an organized guestbook be necessary there? First of all, there's nothing that prevents someone from starting a thread: "Hey, I read ''X'' on your page and you rock!" I have done that myself several times. Second, as we have clearly seen, there seems to be something wrong with a structured list with the label "Guestbook" that causes certain people to go into a frenzy, which completely negates the whole reason to have people sign it (i.e. to indicate that the user page was read and appreciated). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::::How about this. If the guest book bannination is accepted. how about we give people with guest books 2-3 days to move to a sub page and have a sysop lock it. If they fail to do this, I think we should just delete the guest books that are left. And Has Matt?, I kinda think that that defeats the purpose of this vote. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 16:17, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::::Yeah, we're way past the point of simply ''discouraging'' them. Also, if we permitted them on subpages at all, then we'd might as well just move them to a subpage for them. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#My vote's with AbdiViklas's suggestion. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 19:42, 23 January 2006 (UTC) '''EDIT:''' And by that, I mean the suggestion of "Restrict them to talk pages; one per user; and require input beyond signatures." {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 09:06, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
#I go for this option i'm voting for, but here's an idea: why not have a global hrwiki guestbook, for those of us that like to sign guestbooks? We lock all guestbooks except for this page where someone can sign their name in for the entire wiki? Strange I know but it just occurred to me. Another q: if guestbooks are totally deleted, yes they remain in the page's history... but what about guestbook subpages? (like the one that USED to be User:Kilroy/Guestbook)? Their histories are lost. Just like that last page I mentioned. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:25, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#:Even though it might look deleted, it's not. The only things that are really deleted when it says deleted are images. If someone needed the code from one of those subpages (for example, to archive locally), it could be undeleted long enough to take care of it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:38, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#::Ohhhh! Tight paaants! That is good to know! :) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 23:32, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

* '''Start a one-day race for everyone with a guestbook to amass the most names. At the end of the day, everyone's guestbooks are deleted, and the winner gets a nickel (via PayPal).'''
*#{{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:46, 23 January 2006 (UTC) Everybody wins: guestbook proponents get one last day of unbridled mayhem, and guestbook opponents get eternal relief from their patrolling woes.
*#:Better yet, winner gets $100. Supplied by Trey56 of course. :-P {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:10, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*#::i think that's a great idea. i don't even have a guestbook, but i would like to sign some. [[User:Thatkidyoualllove|Thatkidyoualllove]] 13:21, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

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===If the consensus is to end the practice and delete them altogether, when should that happen?===
*'''About ten days after the consensus is reached here, they should be deleted. A notice should be put up on the Recent Changes page and at the top of watchlists.''' — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#— [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#:And the notices have been put up. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 02:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#::(Notices of the current discussion, that is, not of deletion.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 02:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#:::Right. Up there I meant that similar notices would be put up saying something like "Now would be a good time to archive that locally before it's gone" or something. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#::::Do you think you could put a notice on the Main Page as well, like we did for donations and NSMC? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 02:56, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#:::::The thinking is probably that this is an issue that doesn't really concern IPs; if someone's a user they'll probably see it either on recent changes or when they log in (it's on the "successful login" page). —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:04, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#::::::Yeah, this isn't something we need to bother people with who are just here to read. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*# [[User:Homsad|Homsad]] 17:00, 22 January 2006
*#Yeah, what counts as a guestbook? I mean, I have things like Favorite Sbemail, and the occasional poll. [[User:Bluebry muffin|Bluebry]] 18:47, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#:Bluebry, polls are different than guestbooks. Many people have guestbooks, while not as many people have polls. Polls won't last forever, and aren't as annoying as guestbooks. Most people leave their guestbooks up forever. Polls are temporary. Now, people with ''two'' guesbooks, on the other hand, are more of our focus. *wink wink* {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 18:51, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#::Yeah, Bluebry; see my comment near the end of the long [[#Oppose|Oppose]] section advocating the practice of Healthy Non-Guestbook Interaction Practices. Making good Peer-to-Talk page choices. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:56, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#::Yeah, um, sorry for having TWO guestbooks. Ummm, yeah. [[User:Bluebry muffin|Bluebry]] 18:54, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#:::well, i think that it should be done in two weeks. that leaves users with plentiful time to get as much sigantures as possible.
*#::::One week is plenty. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 21:15, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

== Original discussion ==
''This disscussion was originally found in [[HRWiki:Da Basement]]''

Guestbooks started out as kinda cute. Then they became a fad. Now it seems that everybody's user pages are being edited by other people. I remember a time when such a thing was vandalism nine times out of ten. Having guestbooks is really becoming a nuisance for recent changes. I think we should do away with them. I don't even think moving them to a subpage is a good idea, because it seems most people just go around blindly signing them, without actually reading the page in question. I would prefer, if someone had read my user page, that they just made some kind of meaningful comment on my talk page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:24, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
:I am going to have to say that I agree. At the very least, all current guestbooks need to be moved to a subpage. Guestbooks now are just for signing them, not to show that someone reads a guestbook owners userpage. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 04:27, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

::I concur with Ben on all counts. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:30, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Yessir. It's Dot Com hit the nail on the head. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 04:33, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

::::Yeah, you guys are probably right. I have to admit, I'm also guilty of owning a [[User:Thunderbird L17/Guestbook|guestbook]], but if that's what it takes to do away with this pointless fad, I'll give a vote towards getting rid of all guestbooks, including my own. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:50, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::I like signing guestbooks. I don't have one but I like signing them. About 75% of the time I do end up reading the page in question too! I hope I'm not the exception. Perhaps they can be restricted to the user's talk page? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:02, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::'''EDIT CONFLICT:'''Agreed with everybody. Signing a guestbook doesn't say that you like that page, or that you enjoyed what they wrote. I agree with Dot com, leave a message with some thought if you want to say that you liked a user page, not put your sig on their userpage. I don't think guestbooks are ''bad'', they're just pointless.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 05:03, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::When we come to a point when (and I don't want to name names) there are two or three different guestbooks on the same userpage for no reason at all, or that there's a "guestbook race" where users race to see who could sign it first, or even when a user picks up a deadline for getting X signatures before a certian date, it's time to get rid of that fad. I hate seeing users who have more then 500 userpage and usertalk edits, but less then 20 mainspace edits. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:37, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::::Stux: That wouldn't make a difference. It's not about where it is, it's the fact that it clutters Recent Changes up and makes patrolling edits a nightmare. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 07:41, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::::I agree, although guilty of signing a few. It's become not only a fad, but a competition. Who can sign the most guestbooks, who can sign the fastest, whose is longer, who can reach the most by such and such date--even who [[User:Bluebry muffin|has the most]]. I personally wouldn't mind seeing them go. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::::That page made me agree with getting rid of them. In fact, I'm gonna go get rid of mine right now. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 03:50, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::''{sigh}'' It's sad it got to this point. It's really kind of like [[The Geddup Noise]], isn't it? We've gone from "Guestbooks used to be cool!" to "Corporate Guestbooks still suck". I hate the thought of them being banned, but it probably has gotten to that point. I'll support it. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 04:01, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::Guestbooks are dying with their original creator, [[User:Bubsty|Bubsty]]. I'm taking mine out too. {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 04:13, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm not sure exactly who started the fad, but my money's on [[User:Smileyface11945|Smileyface11945]]. Both [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Smileyface11945&oldid=116185 his] and [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Thunderbird_L17/Guestbook&oldid=171056 my] guestbooks predate that of [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Bubsty&oldid=198810 Bubsty]'s. Still, I think Bubsty ammased the most sigs, and I belive it was his' that influenced the inordanant influx of guestbooks. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
:His is gone. [[User:24.18.208.18|24.18.208.18]] 23:44, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
::Also, Bubsty never started guestbooks. He said he got it from RJMT somewhere. [[User:24.18.208.18|24.18.208.18]] 23:48, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Thanks, I [[HRWiki:Da Basement#noted|just meantioned]] that. His' is [[User:Bubsty/guestbook|still around]], just not really linked to much. And [[User:RJMT|RJMT]]'s guestbook only goes back to [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:RJMT&oldid=194351 Novermber 9th], which still post-dates both mine and Smiley's. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 00:38, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
::::I think [http://old.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=IPADDRESSMAN this] is an interesting point... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::Heh. That ''is'' interesting. But guestbooks clearly died out at some point (perhaps when we switched to MediaWiki), and have only recently resurged. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:02, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::Yeah. I'm not sure if anybody remembered his or not to start the MediaWiki generation of Guestbooks, but that's beside the point. We're getting a bit off topic now (mostly my fault). The question isn't who started them, it's should we keep them, and/or what should we do about them? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:05, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
:I agree with Dot com. (I know, I left, but I was finishing this killerdynamo and admin-hating thing up...) About 2-3 weeks ago they weren't ''that'' big of a deal, but now it's gotten kinda... insane. Especially if everyone starts getting [[User:Bluebry muffin|more then one]]. They started out being cute, but ''now'' they're just plain annoying. (I feel kinda bad though, seeing as a lot of users see mine and think "Oh cool! I want one!"). I'm taking mine off. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:47, 19 January 2006 (UTC)



''This is an archive of the original discussion. Please put new comments [[#Guestbooks|above]].''

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==Guestbooks==
Recently, some users have [[#Original discussion|discussed]] the current guestbook situation, and we are formally proposing to get rid of guestbooks. Please note that this decision is still being decided, and is not policy yet. If you wish to give us your opinion on this, then please tell us here.

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===End the practice of guestbooks===
====Support====
# See reasons at the [[#Original discussion|original discussion]]. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC).
# If it's for the good of the Wiki, guestbooks should go. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:20, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# See Rogue Leader's comment. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 00:33, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# I'll go along with this - don't have a strong opinion on guestbooks, personally. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 00:37, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# See Venusy's comment. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 00:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# If it's for the greater good of the wiki, I gotta vote to get rid of 'em. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# See reasons at the original discussion --{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 02:51, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# I want people to read my user page, not just to sign it without knowing what else is there. {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 03:17, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# Don't really see the point of them. There's nothing a gues book can do that a User talk page can't. -[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 04:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# When it comes to the point that the only reason people come to the Wiki is so they can sign guestbooks, it's time for them to go (especially when people are trying to get a certain amount by a certain date.) I didn't mind guestbooks until Recent Changes had more "User:" edits than it did actual articles. We had this problem with the old wiki; nobody did anything except talk to each other and create fanstuff. This is not a free chatting site for other Homestar Runner fans, this is an encyclopedia. User pages are to make a brief description about yourself, not to have a blockquote with 20-something signatures in it. If you want to talk to other Homestar Runner fans, go create a Myspace or something. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 03:20, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
# See my comment below. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:37, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# See comment below. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:57, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# They were fun at first, but now it's just taking up space. I would appriciate it if we could let them go. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 14:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# Ditto Ation. -[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
# [[User:Homsad|Homsad]] I agree with the guys at the original discussion. Delete them!
#{{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 17:01, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 17:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC) Yeah, I'm gonna have to go with Ation here.
#[[User:68.161.144.158|68.161.144.158]] 19:44, 22 January 2006 (UTC) I don't want to shuffle through countless guestbook edits to find vandalism. If you want to compliment somebody, use their talkpage.
#:Hey there, 68.161.144.158. Do you have a user account? If so, you should use it when posting on this page. Thanks. Anonymous votes will not figure much (if at all) into the final tally. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:46, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
# I wouldn't mind not having guestbooks (even though I did like signing them, the wiki's better off without them). {{User:Kilroy/sig}} 21:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#I have to agree with Kilroy. We are better off without them. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 21:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#They don't bother me, but if they bother other people, let's scrap them. I'm #22! WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! (that's what we're trying to avoid, right?) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:50, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#They don't show that you like the site, it just shows that you can sign a guestbook. [[User:Nintendogs123|Nintendogs123]] 07:00, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 09:30, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
# {{User:Total Spaceship Guy3/sig}} 10:39, 23 January 2006 (UTC) I stand beside all off you on this. DELETE THEM! WHEEEEEEE!
# For the reasons stated by [[User:FireBird|Firebird]] above. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 14:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
# Delort 'em. I only made one because I thought everyone else had one. The arguments to keep them seem to boil down to "hey, I like guestbooks, what's the big deal?" and "they encourage interaction". Seems to me they encourage a kind of interaction that is in conflict with the goals of a good wiki. Baleet 'em. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:04, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 20:15, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
# I've never seen the point of guestbooks, shoutboards, and other such features. If people want to holla at someone, let 'em leave a message on the talk page. The site will only get bigger from here anyway, and anything we can do to conserve space is okay in my book. - [[User:Octan|Octan]] 2006-01-23, 15:16 (EST)
# [[User:Powered by The Kate|Powered by The Kate]] 02:53, 25 January 2006 (UTC) I have to say that they should be DELETED! I mean, it's nice to know that people have been to your page, but then they start getting outrageously huge and such. Yeah. And also, if people spend all their time signing guestbooks, they'll never take any time to, say, improve their own user page or make a good article about something. I like what Bill Martinson said, too.
#[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:54, 25 January 2006 (UTC) This is an encyclopedia about Homestar Runner. This is not a place to hang out, chit-chat, and power-sign guestbooks 90% of one's online time. Keep the vast majority of your talk page edits here to relevant H*R- and wiki-related discussions. Chit-chat and sign guestbooks at myspace, message boards, AIM, xanga, IRC...
#[[User:Point7Q|Point7Q]] 00:51, 26 January 2006 (UTC) I use HRWiki only as a knowledge base. I have no interest or stake in guestbooks at all. If people want to do stuff that has nothing to do with the stuff I'm interested in, that's fine, but not when it starts taking significant attention (especially admin attention) away from the true purpose of the site. Also, after having read the entire page, I think I can safely assume that Strong Bad would mock us mercilessly for spending so much time and energy on something like this.
#This is enough. End guestbooks. The hrwiki isn't Wikipedia, and it is on a funny cartoon, but...IT IS A WIKI. Meaning that it is an encyclopedia. Not a place to mindlessly sign your name on the nearest available guestbook. Just wait ten days, do whatever you decide to do with the things, and forget it ever happened. And stop driving the poor patrolors insane. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 22:10, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
#I have a gest book my self but I do realize that they are just getting to big. People should just have a favorit users section and put every body who asks them on there talk page on it.{{User:pieinbubsface/sig}} 17:18, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
#I'm going to have to agree that guestbooks should go. Even though I have one, always seeing people sigining guestbooks in the recent changes kind of gets annoying. Plus, the whole idea that they start relationships between people kind of got scewed by those who just sign them for the sake of signing them and don;t even read the userpage.

====Oppose====
#I want the sweet sweet guestbooks. They let other users know they are there. --{{User:The thing/sig}} 13:48, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:<strike>Amost all of the people I know on the Wiki are from my or someone else's guestbook. Guestbooks make relationships! [[User:Bluebry muffin|Bluebry]] 03:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC)</strike>
#::Guestbooks make relationships, granted, but that's not the only way to make relationships. This H*R knowledge-base wiki is not designed to be a place to hang out and socialize. That's what the forums and [[HRWiki:IRC channel|IRC channel]] are for. The proper way to make relationships on this wiki is to make good edits; eventually people will notice you. One can supplement relationship-building through other venues while editing the wiki the way it was intended. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 03:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#Probably not as strong a point, but I like knowing that people have at least visited my page. I don't have a lot to offer on my page and I would actually like some comments. Restricting them to the talk page is probably best. [[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]] 03:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:I think that would be a good point ''if'' signing a guestbook meant that someone had actually looked at the page. When it's just a game, however, to see how many you can find and sign, it loses all meaning. Also, notice the little counter down at the bottom (where it says "This page has been accessed ''n'' times"). You can track that number to see how many people are visiting your page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:03, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::I can't speak for everyone else, but I at least read a page before signing a guest book. I thought that was the whole idea of one: letting the user know '''who it was''' that read the page rather than how many people have. [[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]] 20:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::And we appreciate that you read the pages. Unfortunately, as illustrated by the snippet from the recent changes in the comments section below, those who sign after reading are now a dwindling few. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#Is there anything wrong with guestbooks?--{{User:Benol/sig}} 15:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:Benol, you should read the guestbook discussion [[#Original discussion|below]]. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:22, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#The guestbooks aren't killing anyone, they're just fun. Why should we all act like a bunch of proper stuck ups on a Homestar Runner fan site? Now, if this were turning into a trend on Wikipedia, that'd be one thing, but this is a wiki on a silly, fun cartoon, and guestbooks are one of my fondest memories of this web site. What's next, will saying things like "ARROW'D!" be banned? Of course, I'm sure everyone is going to hate on me now and diss me like a bunch of geeks and nerds, just like what they did when somebody proposed that they could be saying "Strong Bad paints Marzipan" in [[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy]]. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#:Just for info: ''I'' was the one who proposed that. I don't exactly recall being catcalled about it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
#::Yeah, I noticed it was you right after I posted that. Well, I remembered everyone dissing you for that. There have been other times that users have been treated like crap for having a different opinion, though, and that wasn't a very good example, I guess. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#:::I agree, this may seem a bit extreme to some, but this part of the ''HRWiki'' family of websites is primarily for [[the facts]]. A more relaxed, "anything goes" atmosphere exists at the Fanstuff Wiki. Though this site isn't Wikipedia, we still strive to emulate their formal style, and attempt to limit most of our work here to building the Knowledge Base. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::Yeah, that's a good point. We should probably be on the look out for more things in Homestar Runner to pick at until they're not even funny anymore. For a more formal atmosphere, how about we all strangle each other as we argue over fhqwhgads? Is she a wiffle ball? Are [http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fhqwhgads Urban Dictionary's] theories true? And only we visiting the Fanstuff Wiki should watch Homestar for fun. Instead, let's try to find Homestar as boring as possible, so that all we can do is analyze crap.
#::::So, who's with me? Are we going to save the guestbooks, or are we going to suck all the life out of the wiki and make pages like [[Strong Bad Saying, "I Mean I (Did Something)"]] until nobody visits besides us? All right, perhaps I went a bit far. Anybody who's offended, no hard feelings. I just want sweet guestbook freedom. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#:::::Uh, ok. Did you even bother to read the reasons why we wish to get rid of guestbooks? We are just trying to make life easier for patrollers. Besides, signing a guestbook does not mean that you are even remotely interested in their page. It just shows that you have a fast mouse and tilde finger. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 06:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::::Look, I hate to have the whole site against me, especially since I probably won't have as much luck winning you guys back as Strong Bad does, but no, I didn't read the excuse list. Why, because I know it won't affect my opinion on guestbooks. In my experience, I've visited way more talk pages thanks to guestbooks, and I actually check out what's there, so that I can get to know a little more about these peoples before I post. But if you'd like to liberate the site from those ridiculous fan activities, go ahead. I'll keep doing what I'm doing even if it means getting banned! I feel a song, erm, rap coming on...
#::::::(Do not tell me what I can and cannot do when I rock) WHEN I ROCK, WHEN I ROCK...
#::::::DO, DO, DO, '''DO NOT'''! Tell me what I can and cannot do when I rock! Original material my crew nonstop! We're keeping it fly and we'll turn it out, y'all feeling some of that? No doubt! Yes, that's right, I'm keeping my guestbook up no matter what! And maybe some people will respect me for my independence, but I seriously doubt that. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#:::::::1) John Rue is a good man. 2) Breathe. Nothing's happening one way or the other for at least ten days. While persuasive oratory is called for, panic isn't; it's not like guestbooks are dead unless everyone's convinced in the next couple of hours. 3) You're not alone, per se; although I'm far from strongly supporting guestbooks, I don't strongly oppose them. 4) Since time ''isn't'' of the essence, '''do''' take the time to read the rest of this conversation (and also where it [[#Original discussion|started]]). It helps to know what's already been said. 5) Although I'm sure the shock got your fight-or-flight reflexes going, so far no one ''is'' hating on anyone; the conversation so far has been civilized and non-angry. I really hope it stays that way through its course; please help it do so. 6) In closing, I'd just like to make sure it doesn't go unnoticed that a recent edit included the words "That's a big but." —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:18, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::::::Mr. Katana (or should I call you Mr. X?), Like a wise user once said to me when I was just new to the wiki and didn't have a username: "''sarcasm doesn't exactly work wonders while attempting to argue a point''". And now for the actual reply. We all want to have friends and meet new ones. If this fact was false we wouldn't have such sites as MySpace. Yes, the wiki is a way to make friends, contrary to what some people were saying here, and no, the Fanstuff is not the only place to goof around. But (and that's a big but) making friends through random signatures left on your userpage is not the way to do it. Some userpages told the signers to leave a comment next to their sig. While some posted things like "Thenks for helping me" or "We had fun that one time", alot of them left comments like "Yay! I'm number 27!" or "What? Another guestbook?!" showing that they don't really care about you, your userpage or how good your edits are. It just became a wall intended to be place for art pieces but ended up for ugly graffiti. If you want to make friends, have you thought of going to the chatroom? Having a project, a big one? Think about the wiki as school. An open one where you can make everything. Do you make friends by going to random people with a pen and writing something on their back? Or do you make friends by making something beautiful for all to see? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:58, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::::::First off, check what I posted before I was editing conflict'd. And second, too much ugly graffiti? I love too much ugly graffiti! No, seriously, where I come from graffiti is the finest art form around, but that's not really the point. This wiki isn't a school, unless it's the Crazy Go Nuts University, and I couldn't give a crap less whether people care about me or not, as you can plainly see. That's how I met basically everyone here, and that's how I met all my friends here who probably all hate me now. Anyway, even if it is a big waste of time, it's just freaking user pages, not actual articles, and from what I know, these guestbooks haven't caused any tragedy. So there, ban me for my guestbook. It's a Free Country, USA and I will not be silenced! {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#::::::::::1) Please see my most recent edit above. 2) Yeah, I've made the school analogy before, but I was just thinking "everything that's ''good'' or has the potential to be good about school, hopefully without the really crappy side effects." I.e. ideally it ''would'' be a place for creativity, spontaneity, and individual expression, plus communal, supportive collaboration, but without getting stuffed into lockers or simply called a dumb***. Hopefully it would ''not'' be a militaristic institution for the mass-producing of servile factory fodder either. 3) I'd be really surprised if anybody on the wiki hates you right now, ''including'' those with the opposite opinion on this argument. Guestbooks ''do'' make friendships (though meaningful talk page edits do so even better), and if the friends mean more to you than the guestbook, then even if guestbooks go the way of MXPX ''and'' the buffalo, you'll have what mattered in the first place. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:28, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::::::::Yeah, we're on the same page. Or, more accurately, we're on two different pages which are right next to each other, but that counts too. One thing though, I don't think MXPX will be taking the buffalo route any time soon - I just heard them on [http://www.tv.com/users/DarthKatanaX/profile.php?action=show_blog&entry=175628 Burnout Revenge] and all. So, to close it up, I'll halfta go check that out, and hopefully none of my friends will take my flames personally. You might want to check out the Fight for the Guestbooks on my talk page, anyway. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#::::::::::::Not long ago, before guestbooks were popular, we ''still'' managed to communicate, form friendships, plan projects, and so on... through the use of ''talk threads'' and ''IRC chat''. No one is going to be asking you to stop communicating. No one is going to prevent you from reading user pages and posting meaningful comments on the talk pages. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::::::::::The advantage of a guestbook, of course, is that it ''solicits'' input from other users, where as an "unadvertised" talk page isn't likely to get unprovoked discussion that often. I ''have'' seen several creative examples of snagging input (input beyond a signature) already in play, though: I mentioned [[User:Has Matt?|Has Matt]]'s list of things Homsar should say; Heimstern's recurring [[User:Heimstern Läufer#German translation fun|German H*R quote]] also springs to mind, as does Tony Stony's [[User:Tony Stony#Me (screenshot from iMirror)|Frankenpic]]. These 1) provoke people to sign, 2) are H*R related and require H*R skillz, and 3) are fun. I think they'd do what guestbooks set out to do, but do so much better. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:18, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#I think having a guestbook is a good idea; i would however support the concept of moving them to a subpage. {{User:DJ Teh Cheat/sig}} 16:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#Same here. I didn't see an option to vote for that however. That would clear up the problem of confusing the edits with userpage vandalism. {{User:Smileyface11945/sig}} 00:05, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#I don't want to get rid of my guestbook. They let people know they've arrived. --{{User:The 386/sig}} 17:07, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:Well, all it really lets you know is that they arrived at your guestbook. There's no real reason to expect—or even believe—that the person was on your page any longer than the time it took to type <code><nowiki>#~~~~</nowiki></code>. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:13, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#I want 'em, but keep one only and keep 'em friendly, not competitive. {{User:LePorello/sig}} 19:19, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Marth 99/sig}} 22:05, 22 January 2006 (UTC) I'm with LePorello. I've never been competitive about these, and besides, like Darth said, they're just fun. I don't feel they are interfering with the wiki.
#:Perhaps you should see the recent changes snippet from earlier today in the comments section below (featuring none other than LePorello's edits). I'm wondering what your (and his) reply would be to my remarks there. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::That's just one person. Although I agree with his statement, I don't agree with rapid signing. I, like Has Matt, look at a person's page before signing it. I give a short comment and I occasionally get a response as well. That works better that marathon signing. {{User:Marth 99/sig}} 22:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::We wouldn't be having this discussion if it were just one person. When it comes to the point that you need an entire page devoted to a subject just to discuss it, that's indicative of an actual problem. Some of the replies in this section would make it sound like we're want to stop people from saying they like someone's page or from communicating at all. ''This is not the case.'' You would still be perfectly free to post comments in threads on the talk page, just like always. I think that's an even better way to get a response and start a dialogue that could lead to a friendship. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::Ooooh. Didn't realize I was being a rapid-signing idiot there. Hence, I now resolve to actually read the user pages '''before''' signing guestbooks. (This doesn't change my vote. I'm still for 'em.) {{User:LePorello/sig}} 23:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#"Countless guestbook edits"? I think some of the supporters are exaggerating a bit. {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:33, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#:Apparently, you do not read recent changes. Recently, there has been a ''huge'' spike in recent user page edits. This is problematic for people who patrol, since this was almost always trolling before guestbooks. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 02:45, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#Although I don't really care about them, they haven't been bugging me at all. I don't mind if they stay, personally. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:11, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
# I agree with LePorello. Only one, keep em friendly. [[User:TheGreatLogini|TheGreatLogini]] 12:47, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#I think we should be able to keep our guestbooks if we want to. {{User:Tampo/sig}} 16:48, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
# This is a bittersweet oppose. I have a guestbook and I like it. I like seeing who has read my page. I think I was one of the original 6 guestbooks and my guest book dates back to October. I have even put up cute things to try to get a few certain people **cough cough**JoeyDay, Tom, HomestarCoder, Phlip, Joshua, Jay, The Paper, DorianGray, FireBird **cough cough** to sign it. I wish we can roll back the clock or restirct the creation of new guestbooks (grandfather the old ones in). I think the reason that Userpage edits have skyrocketed is that TBC haven't put a lot out lately and frankly I'm bored. Today I logged in about 4 times (because its a monday) and once I saw that there is no new toon, I check out user pages of my comrads. As I seem to be seriously outnumbered, I will delete mine if it comes to that but I will be sad to see it go. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:47, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#I don't see anything wrong with guestbooks. The primary "problem" seems to be that it floods Recent Changes. Increase the number of things that appear in Recent Changes, then. Besides, it's not like other things don't flood Recent Changes (Image templates, category additions, bots, etc). The other problem was that there's an increasing number of edits that have to be checked for vandalism. As the wiki grows, there'll be more edits, user namespace or otherwise. It's not that hard to check edits for vandalism. And that's my six cents. -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 10:47, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
#:Read the page. The primary "problem" is not the recent changes. That's a side effect. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
#Keep the guestbooks, they're cool to have. If you're so terribly worried about recent changes, then just move guestbooks to the talkpage or a subpage. And to the people who say that guestbooks should be banned because you think they are pointless, well that's the most retarded thing I've heard lately, if you don't care for them then JUST DON'T USE THEM! And the claims about recent changes flooding sound pretty hyped up, the same kind of crap I hear from the opponents of userboxes on Wikipedia. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] 14:31, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
#:Once again, recent changes is just the straw that broke the camel's back. The real problem is that guestbooks have become a mere shell of what they were intended to be. Since there are real and better ways of communicating, we are going to do away with guestbooks in favor of talk threads. On another note, it's not like everybody doesn't know what the word is there that you "censored", and it is not appropriate for this discussion. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:02, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
#::OK, It's dot com, I removed it. Happy now? I just get tired of all this crap, all of these people who insist upon removing something others like, just because they disagree. OK, so use talk threads instead if you like, but ''why not just have both''? Seriously, what's wrong with having options? [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] 17:39, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::Wow, two of my best friends here fighting, better grab some popcorn! No, seriously, when it comes to this one I just halfta "go Switzerland" - that's what my homies call it. So, Yeltensic, good job backing up the guestbooks, and It's dot com, good job keeping this site safe for everyone. There. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#::::Well, you can go Switzerland and still grab some popcorn. When I play a video game and two people do damage to each other at the same time, so that they come out still even, I call it 1812ing. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User:Yeltensic/Save the Guestbooks!!!|Sign your name here]] 01:45, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::Actually, the battle seems to be over, at least for now. So maybe you should wait on the popcorn. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User:Yeltensic/Save the Guestbooks!!!|Sign your name here]] 01:47, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
#I think that we should keep the guestbooks. I mean, I always enjoy signing a guestbook. It's always fun to look and see who visited your page. I always enjoy it when people sign my page. It just lets you know that there are people that look at your page. I support them. They may be pointless, but they're fun and interesting. I mean, if you got rid of everything pointless, where would I be?--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 17:17, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
#One word: "Overregulation". --{{User:Nerd42/sig}} 03:12, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Seriously/sig}}
#Agree with Darth Katana X. Not to say the HRWiki isn't awesome ('cause it is!), but ''come on!'' Wikipedia has more "silly" "un-encyclopaediac" stuff like this, and Wikipedia is supposed to be an ''encyclopaedia'', not a website about a ''funny'' web cartoon. Anyway, I'm fine with restricting guestbooks to one per userpage, and one signature per guestbook. But banning them is kinda pointless, guestbooks really don't do much harm (and yes, I did read the discussion below), and one can just filter out the "User" namespace on the recent changes if it gets in the way (which it really). {{User:Rainer/sig}} 06:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
#Even being a member of the Recent Changes Patrol, or something like that, I don't see what's wrong with guestbooks. They let people know they exist without vandalizing. Plus, '''if users just put in the summary that they signed the guestbook, we won't have to be as paranoid about it'''. Sure, they're pointless and take up space, but come on! It's not like this is the Encyclopaedia Brittanica Wiki. It's the Homestar Runner frickin' wiki! It's about a funny little web cartoon! Now, if there ''was'' an Encyclopaedia Brittanica Wiki, and this was it, sure, I would oppose. But this is the Homestar Runner Wiki. Laugh a little. ''Live'' a little. I mean, even Wikipedia has some pointless joke stuff. Now they would oppose guestbooks, sure, but that's because of the difficulty of checking recent changes; they make hundreds of edits in a minute. But on this wiki, edits are made much less frequently. We have time, people. We can mark things as patrolled nice and, uh, relaxily. Hoping they don't get rid of the sweet sweet guestbooks, {{User:Gnome of Fury/sig}} 21:44, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
# It's a great way to communicate on other user's pages without asking them to. Agree to oppose deleting them. Keep the guestbooks! --{{User:Nckinfn04/sig}} 00:02, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
#I like seeing everyone that visted my page so i can vist them its fun that way!--{{User:djm1791/sig}} 14:39, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

====Comments====
* The primary objections seem to be 1) that they make userpage vandalism harder to spot, and 2) they make a lot of "empty" edits to check out in general. Stux suggested restricting them to User Talk pages; although it wouldn't solve the second issue it would solve the first. Although I don't like them, I'm not so sure they need to go entirely; they ''do'' have some benefit in community-building, plus banning them even from talk pages seems a little draconian. (If the defense were that they're not wiki-related talk, many of us would be [[User talk:AbdiViklas#Solfège...|guilty]].) Certainly only one per user per lifetime should be allowed, but I'm not ready to vote to end them entirely and everywhere. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:24, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:I think the reason that people are ready to get rid of them entirely is because they are not being used as real guestbooks. A signature on one does not mean that the user page was appreciated or even read. Some users actively campaign (via talk page spam) to try and get more signatures, which just drives up frivolous edits more. This is why I believe they should be eliminated, not just moved. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:33, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*I wish there was some way to keep certain guestbooks, such as the ones that were around before they were a fad, or the ones used actually as guestbooks, not as a challenge to see how many signatures they can get by a certain date... But there's not really a way to fairly decide that, is there? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:02, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:Yeah, it's kind of like when one noisy student ruins the field trip for the whole class. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:53, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*::I hear you, Thunderbird. But yes, that ''would'' be quite difficult to justify reasonably: "Your guestbook is appropriately motivated; you can keep it! But ''your'' guestbook is a mercenary guestbook; you can't!" I personally don't find the argument of function compelling (not "proper" guestbooks); frivolous edit and talk page spamming ''are'' concerns, though. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*Since I seem to be saying a lot in defense of guestbooks, I just want to play the other side for a sec.: There's no reason people can't simply link to blogs or personal websites which have guestbooks of their own. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:50, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:Just curious, but why ''are'' you saying so much in the defense of guestbooks? You don't have one. Almost none of the people with whom you collaborate most often have one. Have you ever formed a meaningful friendship through one? I myself have signed a few guestbooks (back when that's what they were), but nothing substantial came of it. Again, I'm just curious. :) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*::Right; not only do I not have one, but I've never bothered to sign one that I can remember. It's not ''just'' that I'm playing Devil's Advocate, arguing for them since there seemed to be few voices for them at first; I do actually feel that they don't necessarily need to go. Mind, I ''definitely'' think at the least "guestbook reform" is necessary, and would like to see their form and function not only preserved but improved; I just have misgivings about a cold-turkey crackdown. I'm certainly not going to be broken up if they go, since I don't think they're doing as much good or meaning as much as their owners perceive them to, but I'd like to keep the "anything goes in your userspace ''except''" list no longer than necessary. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:08, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*If this thing didn't evolve to be a fad I would even fight for the right to keep them. But now they just litter the recent changes page. This days are the first time I had to use the MainSpace filter to a actually ''see'' the edits {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*Finally! I am so tired of this stupid fad! You sign one guestbook, another million pop up. They serve no purpose to the wiki and, frankly, they're now really unoriginal. Are we just owning and signing guestbooks because everyone else is? I mean, when it comes to taste, everyone just follows each other like sheep. Why else are the music charts here in England full of crap? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:57, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:By the way, if you haven't liked them, there's always been an avenue of dissent: not to sign them. I've never quite figured out the cases where somebody signs a guestbook and simultaneously complains about it. Seems to me by signing you'd just be helping them spread. (I know, there can be social obligation, etc. Just saying.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:08, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*::Ok, I confess. Like many other users, I just sign guestbooks to increase the number of links to ''my'' user page! Yes, I know. It's a form of self-advertising. Stick your signature everywhere and more people visit your user page. Besides, all I put is "My autograph? Sure!", giving no feedback whatsoever. I use talk pages to do that. I should probably be locked away for such crimes. Anyway, the main thing is that these points alone probably show why we should get rid of them. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:37, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*just because you consider it a fad, it's a USER PAGE. as in, the USER gets to decide what to do with it. and if they want a guestbook, it's not up for the wiki to decide. this sounds like a meaningless rule designed to give more control to a humble majority. "I don't like jumproping! nobody else can jumprope from now on!"{{User:DJ Teh Cheat/sig}} 16:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:Actually, user page control is not absolute. We do give quite a bit of leeway as to what you can put on a user page, but there are [[HRWiki:User_space#What_should_I_avoid.3F|certain restrictions]]. If the community decides (and not by just a simple majority) that it's best if we eliminate guestbooks, then we will. But we're not taking this decision lightly—It has simply reached a boiling point. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*::Right; despite what I ''just'' said a few edits above about "anything goes in your userspace except," it's ''not'' your private property, and it ''is'' for the wiki to do decide. As is stated somewhere in the restrictions It's dot com just linked to, you can find unfettered freedom of personal expression simply by linking to an external site. You can ''even'' host a guestbook there and link to it! —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:08, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*Is there a way to keep any user X's guestbook at "User:X/guestbook" and modify code somewhere to make it so that no changes made to to pages of the form "User:X/guestbook" would appear in the Recent changes log? (I understand this opens the door for unchecked vandalism.) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:46, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:Well, it would be possible from a technical standpoint, but I'm not very comfortable with random users' edits not showing up in the recent changes. Besides, the recent changes flood is just an annoying ''symptom'' of the underlying cause (that guestbooks aren't being used as intended). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:17, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
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*These three consecutive edits illustrate the supporters' positions precisely: If you were a speed reader, you ''might'' could get through all three of those pages in less than a minute each, but would you have enjoyed the experience at all? I think not. Those who would read a user page are no longer signing guestbooks, and those who now sign guestbooks are just clogging up the recent changes. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:I have to say that I am not a person that goes on a random guestbook signing spree, subsequently clogging up recent changes. If I find a user page which I haven't read, I read it, if I am interested and have time, and if that user has a guestbook, I sign it as well. I do not just look for the guestbook on a page and see how many I can sign in a minute. However, I know I can't speak for the rest of the Wiki, which is why we are having this conversation in the first place. You have to admit, whether you like it or not, guestbooks have affected this Wiki in a huge way; some think it's affected it for the good, some think for the bad. I know that a lot of friends have been made through guestbooks, and that they can be utilized to function in a positive fashion, but I also have to admit that they have caused a lot of problems in the Wiki as well. I am not a strong supporter or opposer of the idea of taking away guestbooks. It does seem kinda totalitarian and 1984-ish to ban guestbooks from the Wiki, but on the other hand, this Wiki's main purpose is not to have fun, but to document anthing and everything Homestar Runner. While there are a lot of ways we can have fun in the process of doing that, it seems as if guestbooks have ventured beyond the realm of a fun, innocent little thing that shows how valued you are to a way to get attention and compete to be the first one to sign. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 21:10, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*::i agree with the beginning of what has matt just said. not everyone just goes on for a guestbook, and if you think it clogs up the recent changes, '''deal with it.''' that is just the way it goes. i know lots of people have made friends, i would too if i felt like being an actual user. guestbooks are good. [[User:69.162.201.219|69.162.201.219]] 00:43, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*:::We ''have'' been dealing with it... for a while now. If they weren't being abused I would happily continue dealing with it. But since other, more productive ways to get to know each other can take their place (like talk threads), we'd rather stop dealing with it because we're ''tired'' of dealing with it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:52, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*::::true, i must admit. it's just that guestbooks seem like, almost....icebreakers. you are not going to go to a talk page and type, "want to be my friend?" instead, you will have signatures that you will go to, and their you will laugh at the stuff they say. then you will eventually just leave notes on their talk pages, and it will be great. [[User:69.162.201.219|69.162.201.219]] 01:00, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
* To be honest, I don't think the "Recent Changes Flooding" argument is a particularly strong one. Whenever I look at Recent Changes, the two things that catch my eye a lot more than Guestbook entries, even frequent ones, are the occasional flood of <nowiki>{{web-screenshot}}</nowiki> and similar edits that go on a lot of images all at once, and when users make a whole bunch of minor edits to their sigs, their user pages, etc., all at once. (I'm guilty of doing this myself now and then.) Very rarely do I see guestbooks as causing a lot of spam in the Recent Changes list, and they personally don't bother me. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 05:15, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*:The web-screenshot floods are a necessary evil for us not getting sued (and I'm not getting into that now) and will stop the moment the project is done. If users would just learn to use the "Show preview" button before all those minor changes it wouldn't flood the RC page. The only thing that is left flooding is the guestbooks, and we are discussing those right now. Please don't try to change the subject or pointing the finger on other stuff. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:25, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*::Besides, KieferSkunk, the point I keep trying to make is that the recent changes flood is just indicative of a bigger problem. But never mind that for a second... You can easily hide image edits by switching the namespace to "Image" and pressing "Invert selection". (Also, once we finally get all the images tagged, we won't have those floods anymore.) I sometimes use the same trick with the "User" namespace just so I can see the "real" edits, but this isn't a viable option in the long run for patrollers because vandalism would go completely unchecked. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:56, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*:::I realize that, and I'm not trying to change the subject or point fingers. I'm just pointing out that, to me personally, the Guestbook-related edits don't bother me - they seem to take up much less room in Recent Changes (at least whenever I look at them) than other edits, and I just sorta tune them out most of the time. I don't see it as being as significant a problem as others do, apparently. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 20:13, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*Has it occurred to anyone that since a guestbook generally has its own subheading on a userpage, the word "guestbook" or some form thereof automatically appears in the edit summary, meaning that they can easily be distinguished from userpage vandalism on recent changes? And that's really the whole case against them, the recent changes problem, is it not? [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User talk:Yeltensic|Save the guestbooks]] 19:06, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*:No, as Dot com explained in response to your comment above, the recent changes problem is NOT the primary problem. The primary problem is that guestbooks are not being used reasonably - there's too many instances of "I need to sign as many guestbooks as possible / get as many sigs as possible in the shortest period of time." {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 19:09, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*:Perhaps I should clarify. What I meant is that the recent changes problem is the only ''valid'' concern. The fact that you dislike them, or the way that they are use, is not a valid concern as far as grounds for banning them. For instance, I don't like rap music, does that mean it should be illegal? No, of course not, because other people like it. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User talk:Yeltensic|Save the guestbooks]] 21:10, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*::That argument would hold if we were trying to ban guestbooks from the Internet as a whole. This is the Homestar Runner Wiki, and we have lots and lots of policy as to what's allowed on pages. For example, you're only allowed two personal images. You're not allowed to put a blog on your userpage. You're not allowed to post fanstuff in the knowledge base. You're not allowed to say R-rated things. Nobody would stop you from creating an external guestbook and linking to it from your userpage. "Other people like it" is not a complete argument. Admin'ing on the H*RWiki has taught me that lots and lots of people like to go from page to page and replace the character names with "POOP LOL" but nobody thinks we should allow that. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 21:24, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*::Um, yeah, but POOP LOL harms articles, guestbooks don't do that. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User talk:Yeltensic|Save the guestbooks]] 14:56, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
*::Yeltensic, I find it ironic that by blindly signing as many guestbooks as you can find [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Yeltensic&limit=28&go=first as fast as you can] you are essentially proving the supporters' two main points. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:53, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*:::Good job, you just completely missed what I was doing. I was a) trying to fit in as many self-ads as possible before guestbooks are banned, and b) protesting this laughably absurd policy proposal. As I've wondered on my userpage, is there some conspiracy going on that spans two sites, Wikipedia and HRWiki? It's odd that the absurd "guestbook crisis" here was made up around the same time as the "userbox crisis" over there. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User talk:Yeltensic|Save the guestbooks]] 21:10, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*::::What, because they're going to be banned within the next ten minutes? You've got plenty of time for that. If you're a Wikipedia regular, then perhaps you've heard of not disrupting the wiki to make a point. It seems that in the time you've spent griping about this you could have actually ''read'' those user pages in an effort to get to know the people. '''(By the way, nothing prevents anyone from picking users from the recent changes list, reading their user pages, and then leaving meaningful feedback on the talk pages.)''' This just goes to show that guestbooks do not promote anything more than their own perpetuation. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:31, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*::::Well, how familiar are you with my offline life? I have exams this week, and I might not have all week to sign them left and right. And I did actually read the pages, but later I'll go and read them more closely, by finding them in my contribs. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User talk:Yeltensic|Save the guestbooks]] 14:56, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
*:::::Sorry if it seems like I'm picking on Yeltensic, but: [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&offset=0&limit=50&target=Yeltensic&namespace=0 Yeltensic's main namespace edits] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3AContributions&offset=0&limit=50&target=Yeltensic&namespace=1 Yeltensic's main namespace talk page edits]. No offense, but this is the sort of behavior we try to discourage - users who sign up to do nothing but edit userpages that never contribute to the actual H*RWiki pages, the reason we are all here in the first place. We're seeing too many users who sign up only or mainly to sign guestbooks / collect sigs in their own guestbook. There are lots of webpages devoted to that - try Myspace. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 22:16, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*::::::Well if I ever were going to get around to editing HRWiki pages, I definitely won't now, with you acting like that. Methinks I'll just stick to editing my userpage, signing guestbooks, avoiding you, all of those fun things. Good-bye and have a nice day. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User talk:Yeltensic|Save the guestbooks]] 03:18, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
*::::::Anyway, by joining lovely little discussions like this to defend guestbooks, I free up time for other users to edit articles instead of doing this. There are other ways to participate than editing articles. [[User:Yeltensic|Yeltensic]] [[User talk:Yeltensic|Save the guestbooks]] 14:56, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::::I've said this before to other people, Yeltensic. This wiki is an encyclopedia about Homestar Runner. It's not a place to hang out and chit-chat about nothing relevant to the betterment of this encyclopedia. Guestbooks are only a side-effect of the main problem that I have. And it is people who bring IRC, the forums, and myspace to this wiki. People know this is why we are here, yet they continue to treat this wiki as something it's not intended to be. Your reaction to all of this, to Homestar Coder and others, just keeps pushing me further and further into the support category. I don't think the people who were willing to comprimise appreciate that very much. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:07, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Thank you, Bazooka Joe, for responding much better than I would have. I'm in the support category, but I feel bad about responsible users who contribute a lot to the Knowledge Base having to delete their guestbooks just because some people come here only for chitchat. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 02:13, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
*A teeny little bit of Devil's advocate here: So, there's a part of me that wonders if this fad would just go away if we left it alone. I find that, with the exception of those who are protesting this proposed ban, people are becoming less interested in guestbooks (notice how many people deleted their guestbooks right about the time Bubsty left). Maybe I haven't been looking at the right times, though. I guess I just wanted to get it out there that it ''might'' not be necessary to carry out this ban. Like I said, though, this is largely Devil's advocate; I'm not really against getting rid of guestbooks. Thanks for putting up with my rambling. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 20:03, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*:Then again, I'm just realizing now that the disapperance of some guestbooks (mostly by good users) means that a greater portion are of the existing guestbooks are frivolous. So, maybe that's a good reason to go ahead with the ban. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 20:09, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*I, like Heimstern, have been somewhat abstaining from voting one way or another in this issue. There are probably more people who are somewhat ambivalent to the issue. I, myself don't have a guestbook, but I have signed many in my day, as I've mentioned before. I think the hardest thing to swallow is having to part with something that been attached to and they pride themselves in (be it for frivolous reasons or not). When I first saw them, I thought it was a great idea. I didn't know it had become the nuisance it is now until i started reading this dicussion. Personally, I still feel like eliminating them altogether seems like a rather extreme solution to the problem. Of course, like Heimstern said, many good users have voluntarily removed their guestbooks and what remains are the seemingly fanatical ones. It seems that a tug-of-war has arised over the desire for some users to have as much freedom over their userspace as possible, versus the need for this wiki to grow as a community and in order to do so it must have some reasonable structure to it. The willingness of many established members to give up their guestbooks is a clear sign that there is a problem. I think if the remaining guestbook users can show and exercise some restraint over their guestbook presentation and signing (i.e. having only one guestbook, not racing over signatures, etc), the general guestbook atmosphere can change to where a compromise can be reached and instead of banning guestbooks altogether, a set of reasonable guidelines are established on proper guestbook etiquette. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 23:39, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
*:You'd think so, wouldn't you? You'd also think that guestbooks wouldn't have grown to the problem they are now, but they have. You'd think that now that this issue is front and center, users wouldn't ''still'' be racing across the wiki playing guestbook hunt, but they are. Guestbooks are neither are a longstanding feature of the wiki nor something irreplaceable, and they need to go. The culture developing from the racing guestbook hunters seems to center entirely on the user namespace, something that is at odds with the purposes of this project. Ironically, though these users must spend a lot of time on user pages, retention of the info there cannot possibly be very high when the total time spent on any one page is less than a minute. There are better ways to communicate than that. For more than a year we got by without them and we will get by once they're gone. You might note that you and I have collaborated on several projects and know each other pretty well (relatively speaking) without once ever having signed a guestbook on the other's page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:44, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
*i don't think guestbooks do much on either side. the recent changes thing doesn't matter much. also, people have the right not read a page. really, in my opinion, this whole page doesn't matter. {{User:Seriously/sig}} 23:44, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
* Personally, I don't have one. They take a lot of space for those really popular folks, and seem to be a list of who all likes the person _BUT_ I still think they are a part of the user page and, while an easy target for vandalism, could also be used in a positive manner. The maintenence of a "clean" Guestbook should be the responsiblity of the User. [[User:The Monarch of Rhythm and Blues|Elvis]] 00:45, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
*I think this is a bit of a waste of time, look how long this page has grown! If it's cloggin' up the recent changes your worried about, this page would have made it worse. :P But I have no strong opinion for either side. If people don't like these, I'll delete mine. - [[User_talk:Sahm|talk]] [[User:Sahm|Sahm]] [[Special:Contributions/Sahm|ribs]] 02:28, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
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===If the consensus is to end the practice, then what?===
====Delete them altogether====
#— [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 00:38, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:FireBird/sig}} 04:15, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:I'm having a hard time understanding this position. All the arguments against guestbooks, it seems to me, center around what happens when people ''edit'' them (clogs recent changes, etc.). Aside from the possibility that having them around might incite new ones (which the "closed" tag idea [[HRWiki talk:Standards#Other|below]] ought to curtail), what exactly are they hurting? Even if deletion is necessary, is there a reason to go in and delete them by force with a "the notice has been up" defense rather than starting by asking the user to do so? It seems so... [[Wikipedia:Vogon|Vogon]]. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 08:19, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::Keep in mind that almost nothing is actually ever deleted from the wiki. If people want to visit their old guestbook, it will still be in the history. You ask what they're hurting, and several people have said that they clog the recent changes. While I agree with this, it isn't the basis of my opposition to them because I think it is a weak argument and is only a side-effect of the underlying problem: namely, at some point in the not-too-distant past, guestbooks reached a critical mass and exploded. When that happened, they lost all meaning and became a game. In other words, if guestbooks were currently being used as they were intended to be used, then I would fight tooth and nail to keep them and ''to heck'' with the annoyance of the patrollers. ''But they're not,'' and I have no reasonable expectation that simply ''moving'' them would change the current behavior even one iota. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:28, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::Oops—I wasn't very clear there. I meant what would "dormant" guestbooks hurt—i.e. something like closed STUFFs, with a little notice saying "This is from before we instituted our '''guestbook standard'''; please do not edit." (Elaboration [[#Other|below]] on how this could work.) Yeah, I think we're all pretty clear on what guestbooks currently hurt. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:52, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:Homsad|Homsad]] Delete them!
#{{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 17:04, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Gafaddict/sig}} 19:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 01:28, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 09:30, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Total Spaceship Guy3/sig}} 10:35, 23 January 2006 (UTC) Burn them all!
#For the very clear reasons [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] stated above. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 15:21, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:43, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:37, 23 January 2006 (UTC) — for the many reasons It's dot com has tirelessly explained (and, sadly, had to reiterate); the other proposals just aren't workable due to overhead, judgement calls, etc. The purpose of this website is not to provide a meeting place for people who are more interested in making new chat-buddies than in contributing to the encyclopedia. Let's get over our own egos and do what's best for the wiki.
#[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 20:14, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Pertmywert/sig}} 20:57, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:Point7Q|Point7Q]] 00:52, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

====Move existing ones to subpages and lock them====
#{{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:28, 22 January 2006 (UTC) I think that if someone really ''really'' values their guestbook, they should have the option of moving it to a subpage and keeping it there for the sake of documenting history.
#:Couldn't they copy it to their own computer? Also, they can still see it in their page history. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::I'm just saying they should have the option. By the way, I'm saving my guestbook to my computer.
#:::I think we should fight subpage [[Wikipedia:Creep (project management)|creep]] as much as possible. If we disallow guestbooks, then those subpages would no longer serve the project. But if someone just wants to see one, all they would need to do is look at an old version of their page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:33, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::There are other reasons for wanting to keep one than sentimental value. Guestbooks—like user pages in general—are excusable exercises in vanity. The whole point of one is so people can see how many people like you, or at least have acknowledged you. Though this may not be a particularly noble motivation, it's hardly unreasonable. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:42, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::But again, it's not like the comments would disappear from the histories. Why add to the already growing problem of subpages? Talk page discussions are just as good as (nay, better than) guestbook entries, because actual thought goes into leaving messages. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:53, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:Bluebry muffin|Bluebry]] 03:20, 22 January 2006 (UTC) As said above - Most people I met were from guestbooks.
#:<nowiki>*</nowiki>sigh* Once more, you would have a chance to copy the info to your computer, or look at it in your page history. (Broken record = me) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::I know, but I want to meet more people, not ones from January. [[User:Bluebry muffin|Bluebry]] 18:42, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::Have you tried looking around the wiki yourself? Like the recent changes page or talk pages? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:56, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#For someone who knows what it's like to have something that took a long time taken from him, I'm voting about sub-paging and locking. At least give them that. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:00, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#Guestbooks were and always will be a major part of HRwiki history (not to mention all these arguements). I at least think that we should leave them on the Wiki. Taking them off would be like TBC disbanding Teen Girl Squad: sure, it used to be minor, but it became a big piece of the big enchilada. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 17:58, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:<nowiki>*</nowiki>sigh again* Is anybody reading the previous discussion? They won't disappear from the histories. Hardly anything ever does around here. As for being a major part of our history, I would tend to disagree with you there. They're a fad. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:17, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::I ''was'' reading the above arguements, thank you. But my point is that fads can make history books too. What about mullets? They were pretty big way back when. Now, I agree with the fact that they're not the biggest part of history, but maybe just have a little about them on the history page or something. Or keep some examples, like the ones that revolutionized guestbooks. Not trying to sound like a speech here, but, well, you know. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 18:27, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::Well, what goes on the [[HRWiki:A History|history]] page is outside the scope of this thread (although whatever the outcome of this discussion is should definitely be noted there). Any links on that page can just as easily point to old versions of a page as anything else. By the way, by "revolutionized", do you mean "made a perfectly fine practice into a problem that then had to be dealt with"? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:34, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::Your point has seeped into my brain. But what if people took a screenshot of their guestbook in its final state, hosted it on a site, and provided a link to it on their userspace? Personally, I think that's a good idea for (a)anyone who wants to preserve their guestbook and (b)anyone who still wants the world to see it. That way, it's not really cluttering the wiki. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 18:40, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::I suppose you could do that. Couldn't you also just put in a link to an old version of the page, [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:It%27s_dot_com&oldid=221198 kinda like this]? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:55, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::::I guess it would be the choice of the user, then. Pages like this would load faster than an image (especially if you had dial-up like me). {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 18:57, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::::Heck, as long as you're hosting things externally and linking to them, you can keep your guestbook rolling (as I've mentioned somewhere else on this sprawling page). —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:51, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::::::i agree with abdiviklas. {{User:Seriously/sig}} 14:12, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

====Other====
* '''Restrict them to talk pages; one per user; and require input beyond signatures.''' They could even be thematic; [[User:Has Matt?|Has Matt]]'s list of "Things I Wish Homsar Would Say" would be a good example (except in this scenario it would be on his talk page). The goal would be meaningful statements that would keep all the good aspects of guestbooks (recognition, friendship-building) without the qualities that started this discussion. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:But who will decide what's meaningful and what's not? Some will argue that "YA!!! IM #143! =^^=" is quite meaningful. And if some kind of standard is reached, who will remove the bad stuff from the user's page? The user? Sysop? Having something you wrote removed can triger alot of flame wars. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:45, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*::Yeah, good questions. First: once we're talking about talk pages, I for one would be cool with pretty much anything. As I've hinted earlier, some might not find discussions of the [[User talk:AbdiViklas#...And the Absoluteness of Absolute Pitch|absoluteness of absolute pitch]] the most ''meaningful'' talk page content. But I think the policy could be stated fairly clearly: don't just leave your name; try to say something substantive that will make the user happy or tell him or her something about you. The fact that your #143 only makes ''you'' happy, and isn't a particularly intrinsic personal quality. Secondly: Whoa now, yeah. ''If'' this conversation results in a change in policy, then I feel like it should be implemented by leaving the owner a note asking to do it him or herself. He or she can then either delete or move and convert it (though the vast majority would need to just start from scratch—which isn't so bad, really). Rather than moving to subpages and locking, my proposal would be to '''add a tag to existing guestbooks telling other users not to add to them, and then enforce it with warnings'''. It's not like we're dealing with vandalism on the Main Page here; once somebody accidentally signs a "closed" guestbook and is warned, they're not going to continue. If they do, they need to be banned anyway. But closed STUFFs, for instance, survive just fine without locking. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:58, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*:::I think what you said, Abdi, has much merit. Like I said before, outright forceful deletion seems rather, drastic. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:52, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 08:29, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::That's a decent idea, but it definitely achieves rigamarole status. I vote for keeping it the way it is, but like I say, good one anyway. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#::::Oh-ho-ho-ho! (devilish laugh) Sorry about that, I just felt like this place needed a random Strong Bad quote. Okay, back on task. Why don't we just put something in the standards page that says something like, "Although guestbooks in the Wiki are discouraged, you are allowed to have ''one'' guestbook on a subpage or on your talk page." Just another idea I'm throwing out here. You'll probably find some problems with this idea one way or another, I just felt it needed to be mentioned. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 14:39, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::I would not have a problem with comments restricted to talk pages, but why would an organized guestbook be necessary there? First of all, there's nothing that prevents someone from starting a thread: "Hey, I read ''X'' on your page and you rock!" I have done that myself several times. Second, as we have clearly seen, there seems to be something wrong with a structured list with the label "Guestbook" that causes certain people to go into a frenzy, which completely negates the whole reason to have people sign it (i.e. to indicate that the user page was read and appreciated). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:11, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#::::::How about this. If the guest book bannination is accepted. how about we give people with guest books 2-3 days to move to a sub page and have a sysop lock it. If they fail to do this, I think we should just delete the guest books that are left. And Has Matt?, I kinda think that that defeats the purpose of this vote. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 16:17, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#:::::::Yeah, we're way past the point of simply ''discouraging'' them. Also, if we permitted them on subpages at all, then we'd might as well just move them to a subpage for them. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
#My vote's with AbdiViklas's suggestion. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 19:42, 23 January 2006 (UTC) '''EDIT:''' And by that, I mean the suggestion of "Restrict them to talk pages; one per user; and require input beyond signatures." {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 09:06, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
#I go for this option i'm voting for, but here's an idea: why not have a global hrwiki guestbook, for those of us that like to sign guestbooks? We lock all guestbooks except for this page where someone can sign their name in for the entire wiki? Strange I know but it just occurred to me. Another q: if guestbooks are totally deleted, yes they remain in the page's history... but what about guestbook subpages? (like the one that USED to be User:Kilroy/Guestbook)? Their histories are lost. Just like that last page I mentioned. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:25, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#:Even though it might look deleted, it's not. The only things that are really deleted when it says deleted are images. If someone needed the code from one of those subpages (for example, to archive locally), it could be undeleted long enough to take care of it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:38, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
#::Ohhhh! Tight paaants! That is good to know! :) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 23:32, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

* '''Start a one-day race for everyone with a guestbook to amass the most names. At the end of the day, everyone's guestbooks are deleted, and the winner gets a nickel (via PayPal).'''
*#{{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:46, 23 January 2006 (UTC) Everybody wins: guestbook proponents get one last day of unbridled mayhem, and guestbook opponents get eternal relief from their patrolling woes.
*#:Better yet, winner gets $100. Supplied by Trey56 of course. :-P {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:10, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
*#::i think that's a great idea. i don't even have a guestbook, but i would like to sign some. [[User:Thatkidyoualllove|Thatkidyoualllove]] 13:21, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

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===If the consensus is to end the practice and delete them altogether, when should that happen?===
*'''About ten days after the consensus is reached here, they should be deleted. A notice should be put up on the Recent Changes page and at the top of watchlists.''' — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#— [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#:And the notices have been put up. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 02:25, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#::(Notices of the current discussion, that is, not of deletion.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 02:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#:::Right. Up there I meant that similar notices would be put up saying something like "Now would be a good time to archive that locally before it's gone" or something. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#::::Do you think you could put a notice on the Main Page as well, like we did for donations and NSMC? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 02:56, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#:::::The thinking is probably that this is an issue that doesn't really concern IPs; if someone's a user they'll probably see it either on recent changes or when they log in (it's on the "successful login" page). —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:04, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#::::::Yeah, this isn't something we need to bother people with who are just here to read. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:26, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*# [[User:Homsad|Homsad]] 17:00, 22 January 2006
*#Yeah, what counts as a guestbook? I mean, I have things like Favorite Sbemail, and the occasional poll. [[User:Bluebry muffin|Bluebry]] 18:47, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#:Bluebry, polls are different than guestbooks. Many people have guestbooks, while not as many people have polls. Polls won't last forever, and aren't as annoying as guestbooks. Most people leave their guestbooks up forever. Polls are temporary. Now, people with ''two'' guesbooks, on the other hand, are more of our focus. *wink wink* {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 18:51, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#::Yeah, Bluebry; see my comment near the end of the long [[#Oppose|Oppose]] section advocating the practice of Healthy Non-Guestbook Interaction Practices. Making good Peer-to-Talk page choices. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:56, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#::Yeah, um, sorry for having TWO guestbooks. Ummm, yeah. [[User:Bluebry muffin|Bluebry]] 18:54, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
*#:::well, i think that it should be done in two weeks. that leaves users with plentiful time to get as much sigantures as possible.
*#::::One week is plenty. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 21:15, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

== Original discussion ==
''This disscussion was originally found in [[HRWiki:Da Basement]]''

Guestbooks started out as kinda cute. Then they became a fad. Now it seems that everybody's user pages are being edited by other people. I remember a time when such a thing was vandalism nine times out of ten. Having guestbooks is really becoming a nuisance for recent changes. I think we should do away with them. I don't even think moving them to a subpage is a good idea, because it seems most people just go around blindly signing them, without actually reading the page in question. I would prefer, if someone had read my user page, that they just made some kind of meaningful comment on my talk page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:24, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
:I am going to have to say that I agree. At the very least, all current guestbooks need to be moved to a subpage. Guestbooks now are just for signing them, not to show that someone reads a guestbook owners userpage. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 04:27, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

::I concur with Ben on all counts. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:30, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Yessir. It's Dot Com hit the nail on the head. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 04:33, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

::::Yeah, you guys are probably right. I have to admit, I'm also guilty of owning a [[User:Thunderbird L17/Guestbook|guestbook]], but if that's what it takes to do away with this pointless fad, I'll give a vote towards getting rid of all guestbooks, including my own. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:50, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::I like signing guestbooks. I don't have one but I like signing them. About 75% of the time I do end up reading the page in question too! I hope I'm not the exception. Perhaps they can be restricted to the user's talk page? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:02, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::'''EDIT CONFLICT:'''Agreed with everybody. Signing a guestbook doesn't say that you like that page, or that you enjoyed what they wrote. I agree with Dot com, leave a message with some thought if you want to say that you liked a user page, not put your sig on their userpage. I don't think guestbooks are ''bad'', they're just pointless.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 05:03, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::When we come to a point when (and I don't want to name names) there are two or three different guestbooks on the same userpage for no reason at all, or that there's a "guestbook race" where users race to see who could sign it first, or even when a user picks up a deadline for getting X signatures before a certian date, it's time to get rid of that fad. I hate seeing users who have more then 500 userpage and usertalk edits, but less then 20 mainspace edits. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:37, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::::Stux: That wouldn't make a difference. It's not about where it is, it's the fact that it clutters Recent Changes up and makes patrolling edits a nightmare. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 07:41, 15 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::::I agree, although guilty of signing a few. It's become not only a fad, but a competition. Who can sign the most guestbooks, who can sign the fastest, whose is longer, who can reach the most by such and such date--even who [[User:Bluebry muffin|has the most]]. I personally wouldn't mind seeing them go. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::::That page made me agree with getting rid of them. In fact, I'm gonna go get rid of mine right now. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 03:50, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::''{sigh}'' It's sad it got to this point. It's really kind of like [[The Geddup Noise]], isn't it? We've gone from "Guestbooks used to be cool!" to "Corporate Guestbooks still suck". I hate the thought of them being banned, but it probably has gotten to that point. I'll support it. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 04:01, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::Guestbooks are dying with their original creator, [[User:Bubsty|Bubsty]]. I'm taking mine out too. {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 04:13, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::I'm not sure exactly who started the fad, but my money's on [[User:Smileyface11945|Smileyface11945]]. Both [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Smileyface11945&oldid=116185 his] and [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Thunderbird_L17/Guestbook&oldid=171056 my] guestbooks predate that of [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Bubsty&oldid=198810 Bubsty]'s. Still, I think Bubsty ammased the most sigs, and I belive it was his' that influenced the inordanant influx of guestbooks. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
:His is gone. [[User:24.18.208.18|24.18.208.18]] 23:44, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
::Also, Bubsty never started guestbooks. He said he got it from RJMT somewhere. [[User:24.18.208.18|24.18.208.18]] 23:48, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Thanks, I [[HRWiki:Da Basement#noted|just meantioned]] that. His' is [[User:Bubsty/guestbook|still around]], just not really linked to much. And [[User:RJMT|RJMT]]'s guestbook only goes back to [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:RJMT&oldid=194351 Novermber 9th], which still post-dates both mine and Smiley's. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 00:38, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
::::I think [http://old.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=IPADDRESSMAN this] is an interesting point... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::Heh. That ''is'' interesting. But guestbooks clearly died out at some point (perhaps when we switched to MediaWiki), and have only recently resurged. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:02, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::Yeah. I'm not sure if anybody remembered his or not to start the MediaWiki generation of Guestbooks, but that's beside the point. We're getting a bit off topic now (mostly my fault). The question isn't who started them, it's should we keep them, and/or what should we do about them? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:05, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
:I agree with Dot com. (I know, I left, but I was finishing this killerdynamo and admin-hating thing up...) About 2-3 weeks ago they weren't ''that'' big of a deal, but now it's gotten kinda... insane. Especially if everyone starts getting [[User:Bluebry muffin|more then one]]. They started out being cute, but ''now'' they're just plain annoying. (I feel kinda bad though, seeing as a lot of users see mine and think "Oh cool! I want one!"). I'm taking mine off. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:47, 19 January 2006 (UTC)



''This is an archive of the original discussion. Please put new comments [[#Guestbooks|above]].''

Talk:Homestar Runner and Marzipan's Relationship

Darthvader66 — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 04:34:17 GMT

Darthvader66: Looks sloppy

Hey...Ummm...Yeah, the article looks kind of sloppy. Especially with the content box thingy. [[User:Darthvader66|Darthvader66]] 04:34, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Soolnds

Darthvader66 — Fri, 20 Jan 2006 04:29:14 GMT

Darthvader66: Was that picture really needed?

[[Image:soolnds.png|thumb|left|180px|"Those are not feet!"]]
[[Image:SoolndSole.PNG|thumb|right|Soolnd sole]]
'''Soolnds''' is the preferred term for [[Strong Sad]]'s peculiar feet. They were named in Strong Sad's [[Strong Sad's Lament|blog]] entry of August 12th, 2004; prior to that entry, they were referred to as being kind of like "elephant feet." An overheard phone conversation with [[Strong Bad]] in [[50 emails]] has him plotting the sale of these feet for $50, and poachers have offered several thousand dollars for them.

As seen in [[Experimental Film]], the concentric circles on the soles of Strong Sad's soolnds are reminiscent of a tree's [[Wikipedia:Growth ring|growth rings]]. However, these rings were not present when the soles were visible in [[A Decemberween Pageant]] and [[highschool]].

The imaginary [[Made Up Strong_Bad_Animals#El_Pardack|El Pardack]] sports a soolnd arm, and [[The Cheat]] can impersonate Strong Sad's left soolnd so well he has won the [[Strong Sad Lookalike Contest]] for every year since 1999.

==Specific Appearances==
*[[Strong Sad's Lament]]
*Email [[50 emails]]
*Email [[impression]]
*Email [[modeling]]
*[[TrogdorCon '97]]
*[[Experimental Film]]
[[Category:Inside Jokes]]

death metal

Darthvader66 — Tue, 17 Jan 2006 05:48:20 GMT

Darthvader66: Made it more clear

'''Strong Bad Email #141'''
[[Image:Sbemail141.PNG|thumb|"Let the evil flow forth."]]

Strong Bad instructs viewers on how to make an awesome [[Wikipedia:Death metal|death metal]] song.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, [[Larry Palaroncini]], {{Film|Strong Mad}}, [[Taranchula]], {{Film|Homestar Runner}} (Easter egg), {{Film|What's Her Face}} (Easter egg), {{Film|Cheerleader}} (Easter egg)

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[The Basement]]

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}

'''Date:''' January 16, 2006

'''Running Time:''' 3:47

==Transcript==

'''STRONG BAD:''' Email, ah ooh, ooh, ah ah ooh, email. ''{reading}''

<blockquote class="lappy email">
<div>subject: death metal</div>
Dear Strong Bad, 
I'm in this death metal band at my school, and I am in need 
of some of your expert lyrical advice: what words sound 
really cool when you scream 'em at the top of your lungs? 
Dane 
Corvallis, OR 
</blockquote>

''{He says "Ding dong, string strong, bing bong" instead of "Dear Strong Bad."}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Whoa! You must go to a pretty cool school. Most schools just have a marching band or maybe a jazz ensemble. But a death metal band? That's extracurriculariffic! ''{clears screen}'' Now let's see, first, you'd better be ugly, Dane. Or fat. The gift of death metal does not smile on the good looking. If there's any doubt, go ahead and hot-glue some corn flakes to your face. That'll do the trick. Now, I'm no geographist, but I don't think Oregon is anywhere near Scandinavia, which seems to be the only place left where death metal will get you any chicks. ''{clears screen}'' As for lyrics, you've got it all wrong! Screaming words at the ''top'' of your lungs is for people with blond hair. Ya know, words like 'tonite,' 'wooh-mon,' and the name of any street in L.A. ''{types "run 'webcam'"}'' Check it out! ''{clears screen. A window with a camera shot of Larry Palaroncini pops up.}''

'''LARRY PALARONCINI:''' ''{sings the following lines, which appear below the shot under the screen name "ladeezluvlarry71"}'' tonight! wooh-mon! we'll be drivin' down Sepulveda with the t-top down?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Thanks, Larry.

'''LARRY PALARONCINI:''' ''{the words continue to appear below Larry's image}'' no prob, Strong Bad. HEY! i'm gonna b online later on playing an MMORPG if you wanna join my guild!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yeah, maybe.

'''LARRY PALARONCINI:''' no wait! ''{the text "you kicked ladeezluvlarry71 offline" appears in red. The window closes.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' So for death metal, you want to scream from the bowels of your lungs. The bowels! Words like, ''{in a deep, sinister voice, and with the words in green, spooky letters}'' 'decay,' 'deranged,' 'decrepit,' and um, 'delouse.' In fact, you really can't go wrong with anything that starts with d-e. 'Cept for maybe

''{cut to the auditorium from [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]], with a singer and back-up on stage}''

'''SINGER:''' Dentist!

'''BACK-UP:''' Jugga jigga wugga!

'''SINGER:''' Deli-style!

'''BACK-UP:''' Jugga jigga wugga!

''{cut back to the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' ''{in Teen Girl Squad voice}'' That was Brainkrieg. They got last place. ''{in normal voice}'' So let's recap: ugly, Nordic, bowels, d-e words. Now all you gotta do is ''{cut to Strong Mad in the Basement}'' hunch all upon yourself, pretend you're holding a mystical orb in each hand ''{Strong Mad holds out his hands and a circular outline appears in each}'' and let the evil flow forth. ''{The scene darkens.}''

'''STRONG MAD:''' ''{bounces up and down}'' DeVito. DENIRO!! DELUISE!!!! ''{cut back to the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Broodle-broodle-broodle blap-biddle-baddle! Broodle-broodle-broodle blap-biddle-blap! Whoa! Boy, do I ever need a quadruple bass pedal. And now, let's watch how it all comes together on the Half-Hour Death Metal Dungeon Hour! ''{Cut to the TV in the basement, on which the text "Half-Hour Death Metal Dungeon [Hour]" is seen. Strong Bad sits on the couch. Taranchula appears on the screen.}''

'''TARANCHULA:''' ''{in pseudo-Scandinavian accents}'' Ja, we are Taranchula!

'''DAVE OLAFTENSTON:''' You just saw videos from Vinger, Schlaugh-ter and the Winnie Wincent Inwasion.

'''SCHENKEL MCDOO:''' Ja, now here's a sneak peak at our new wideo. ''{lifts tone as if asking a question}''

''{The TV cuts to the video. We see a screw on some rusty metal. Cut to another scene with rusty metal. Cut to a piece of beef slithering across rusty metal. Cut to four screws, one of which moves around quickly. Cut to the beef, which is stabbed by a nail and then bound with metal wires. The beef explodes. Cut to the beef slithering over the rusty metal, this time in the opposite direction. Cut to Strong Bad on the couch.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Creeping rusty meat. Truly the heart and soul of all death metal. Except, now I feel like I really need to brush my teeth. Lookin' at all that rust. And beef. While I'm gone, complete this worksheet I've prepared for you aspiring death metal types. And, uh, careful with the hot-glue gun, Dane. ''{He goes offscreen to the left, while the worksheet floats to the front of the screen. The worksheet includes [[The Paper|The Paper's]] customary "Click here to email Strong Bad" link at the bottom.}''

==Easter Eggs==
*Click on "fresh juice" at the end to see Homestar Runner come in looking for try-outs.

:''{Homestar Runner walks in, holding a box of corn flakes and with corn flakes glued to his face}''
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Uh, hello? Is anybody here? I'm uh, here to try out for the uh, jazz ensemble.
:*Click on "Corn Krunch" during the easter egg to see a closeup of the box.

*Click on "deafening" at the end to see an extra [[Teen Girl Squad]] scene.
:'''SINGER:''' DELi-STYLE!
:'''BACK UP:''' Jugga jigga wugga!
:'''SINGER:''' DE LA SOUL!
:'''BACK UP:''' Jugga jigga wugga!
:''{Cut to What's Her Face and Cheerleader standing in the crowd.}''
:'''WHATS HER FACE:''' Cheerleader, are you here to see Brainkrieg?
:'''CHEERLEADER:''' ''{wearing a shirt that says "de"}'' I come for the wuggas, but stay for the jiggy juggas.
:'''BACK UP:''' Jugga jigga wugga!

==Fun Facts==

===Explanations===
*[[Wikipedia:Scandinavia|Scandinavia]] is a group of countries in northern Europe. It consists of the countries Norway, Denmark, and Sweden, and is sometimes also said to include Finland and Iceland, especially when the term is used in English. Many successful Death and Black Metal bands originate in Scandinavia, and the genres are arguably the most popular there. Examples of famous Death & Black Metal bands include Death, Emperor, Mayhem, Celtic Frost, and Dimmu Borgir. 
*[[Wikipedia:Sepulveda Boulevard|Sepulveda Boulevard]] is a major street in [[Wikipedia:Los Angeles, California|Los Angeles]].
*[[Wikipedia:MMORPG|MMORPG]] stands for "'''M'''assively '''M'''ultiplayer '''O'''nline '''R'''ole-'''P'''laying '''G'''ame". Popular MMORPGs include [[Wikipedia:Everquest|Everquest]], [[Wikipedia:World of Warcraft|World of Warcraft]], [[Wikipedia:City of Heroes|City of Heroes]], and [[Wikipedia:Dark Age of Camelot|Dark Age of Camelot]]. Many MMORPGs include the guild system or the option to join a team, most prominently [[Wiki:Guild Wars|Guild Wars]].
*[[Wikipedia:Decoupage|Decoupage]] is a craft art that involves decorating objects by gluing cut-out pictures onto them and, sometimes, painting them, then sealing the decoration under varnish.

===Trivia===
*When this email first came out, there was no "back" button at the end. This was fixed in a matter of minutes.
*This is one of the few e-mails to end without [[The Paper|The Paper]].

*The death metal worksheet reads:
Death Metal Worksheet
Which words would NOT
be good death metal lyrics?
destruction
decapitation
delicious
demonic
fresh juice
decaying
deafening
deteriorate
deltoid
deity
devastation
denature

click here to email strongbad

===Inside References===
*The TGS Battle of the Crappy High School Bands is taken from [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]].
*The [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#No "i" in team boy|No "i" in team boy]] and one of the [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Trolls|Trolls]] appear silhouetted in the background of the Teen Girl Squad Easter egg.
*The "Video Thyme" is a reference to "Message Thyme" from [[marzipan]].
*The name of the director of the Taranchula video, Mort Dougland, is a reference to [[Teeg Dougland]].

===Real-World References===
*[[Wikipedia:De La Soul|De La Soul]] is a hip-hop group made of Posdnous, Trugoy, and P.A. Mase. They are best known for their groundbreaking 1989 debut album [[Wikipedia:3 Feet High and Rising|"3 Feet High and Rising"]] and their performance with the band Gorillaz on the single "Feel Good Inc". Their second album, [[Wikipedia:De La Soul is Dead|De La Soul is Dead]] is on [[Matt Chapman]]'s favorite album list. De La Soul was referenced before in [[50 emails]].
*Taranchula's music video is done in the style of a number of videos done by the band [[Wikipedia:Tool (band)|Tool]], most notably their video for the song "Sober".
*The Taranchula video seems to be inspired by the style and imagery of Czech animator [[Wikipedia:Jan_Svankmajer|Jan Svankmajer]], particularly his short film "Meat Love" (which features a pair of anthropomorphic steaks).
*Strong Mad's death metal lyrics are a reference to three film and television actors; [[Wikipedia:Danny_Devito|Danny DeVito]], [[Wikipedia:Robert_Deniro|Robert De Niro]], and [[Wikipedia:Dom_DeLuise|Dom DeLuise]].
*The "Winnie Wincent Inwasion" is in reference to the [[Wikipedia:Vinnie_Vincent_Invasion|Vinnie Vincent Invasion]]. Vinnie Vincent formed the Invasion after leaving [[Wikipedia:KISS_%28band%29|KISS]].
*The "Half-Hour Death Metal Dungeon Hour" may be a parody of "[[Wikipedia:Headbanger's Ball|Headbanger's Ball]]," a metal-oriented music-video segment on MTV that aired in the late 1980s up through 1994.
*The "Video Thyme" player appears to parody of [[Wikipedia:AOL Instant Messenger|AOL Instant Messenger's]] video chat function.
*Dave Bjornborg's name is probably derived from the name of [[Wikipedia:Björn Borg|Björn Borg]], a famous tennis player. Björn was also mentioned in [[Sample of Style]].

==External Links==
*[[HR:sbemail141.html|Watch "death metal"]]
*[[HR:sbemail141.swf|View the Flash file for "death metal"]]
*[[Forum:6714|forum thread re: "death metal"]]

{{Strong Bad Email}}

Sample of Style

Darthvader66 — Tue, 17 Jan 2006 04:01:10 GMT

Darthvader66: "Björn Borg is later?"

[[Image:sample_of_style_screenshot_1.jpg|thumb|The industry secret!]]
[[Image:sample_of_style_screenshot_2.jpg|thumb|"I'll give you Old-Timey, you mountebank!"]]

Mike and Matt Chapman give a 110% true, behind the scenes look on how Matt does the character voices. Seriously!

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Mike Chapman]], [[Matt Chapman]]

'''Running Time:''' 4:12
__FORCETOC__
== Transcript ==
''{A title screen reading simply "Sample of Style" appears. Cut to Mike standing in a doorway}''

'''MIKE:''' Hi! ''{catches a football tossed at him}'' I'm Mike Chapman from homestarrunner.com! People are all the time asking me "Mike, how do you do those stupid voices for your dumb animal characters?" and I say "I'm Mike! Matt does the voices!" Let's go!

''{cut to outside a closed wooden door. Mike looks at the camera and nods knowingly, then knocks on the door}''

'''MIKE:''' Hey Matt! It's Mike!

''{We can hear some noise from inside. Mike opens the door and we hear Matt saying some weird sound effects into a microphone. Nearby are some keyboards and computer equipment.}''

'''MIKE:''' Cut!

''{Matt now notices Mike, and stands up.}''

'''MATT:''' Hey!

'''MIKE:''' Hey, I was just telling the guys how you do the voices for homestarrunner.com.

'''MATT:''' Oh yeah! The website!

'''MIKE:''' Yeah!

''{Mike tosses the football to Matt, who catches it. The camera starts to follow Matt as he walks to the right}''

'''MATT:''' Yeah! Uh, well, you know, it's kind of an industry secret, so we keep them here under lock and key. Uh, let me just—do you have the key, Mike?

'''MIKE:''' Yeah.

''{Mike gives Matt a key, and Matt "unlocks" a cabinet door (or rather, makes a sound effect implying it's been unlocked). The camera angle shifts so that it's behind Mike and Matt. We can see wire boxes full of material, an old Compy 386-style computer on top of the cabinet, and a huge cork board with hair metal band photos on it. Matt produces a briefcase from inside the cabinet and sets it on top}''

'''MATT:''' So here it is.

''{The camera cuts closer to the briefcase. Matt opens it to reveal cardboard tubes with the names of the characters written on them. Matt takes one out labeled "Homestar Runner"}''

'''MATT:''' Hey, Mike. ''{starts talking into it, the Homestar voice comes out}'' Oh hello, Mike! Check me out!

'''MIKE:''' Easy there, Homestar!

'''MATT:''' Hahaha, ''{suddenly shifts tone to dead seriousness}'' stop the camera.

''{The camera cuts now to Mike, then pans back to Matt}''

'''MIKE:''' So if that's how you do Homestar Runner, how about the King of Town?

'''MATT:''' Good question, Mike. ''{takes out the cardboard tube labeled The King of Town}'' The King of Town is a little more difficult. I have to employ a little of ''this'' strategy... ''{Matt puts the tube up to his mouth and one hand on the other end of the tube to act as a mute. The King of Town voice comes out}'' Dooooo hoo hoooo! I'm so hungry! I want a lot of food items!

'''MIKE:''' ''{just off-camera}'' Wow, that's impressive. ''{camera puts him back in frame}'' The King likes food, doesn't he?

''{Matt laughs a little. Cut to Matt sitting at his computer workstation. Coach Z and Strong Mad are on the screen. Matt hits a button the keyboard, puts a Coach Z cardboard tube up to his mouth, and turns to the microphone}''

'''MATT:''' ''{Coach Z voice}'' Hey Strong Mad, you're doin' a great joraerb there! ''{quick switches the tube out for a Strong Mad tube, producing the Strong Mad voice}'' I DON'T HAVE A JOB! ''{switch}'' I say ya done a groot joob! ''{switch}'' YOU'RE A GROOT JOOB! ''{switch}'' Björn Borg! ''{switch}'' RAAAAH! ''{switch}'' Where's th—''{switch}'' RAAAH! ''{switch}'' fjords? ''{switch}'' RAAAAHHH!

''{Cut to Mike, who is standing by the briefcase}''

'''MIKE:''' That's great for you, Matt, ''{takes a cardboard tube labeled "Strong Bad"}'' but what happens if '''''I''''' use one of these things? ''{puts the tube up to his mouth, and the Powered By The Cheat version of Strong Bad comes out}'' I think this is sounding pretty good.

''{Mike puts the tube down, and grabs the King of Town cardboard tube to put up to his mouth}''

'''MIKE:''' ''{Powered by the Cheat KoT}'' I'm the King of Town!

''{Mike grabs the Strong Mad and Homsar tubes, puts them end to end, and produces an awful racket before pulling them away from his lips}''

'''MIKE:''' What happened?

''{Cut to Mike leaning on a stacked-up amp}''

'''MATT:''' ''{offscreen}'' I was really, really unhappy with what you did. I—I thought it was terrible.

'''MIKE:''' I didn't do it.

''{Cut to Mike sitting on the cabinet}''

'''MIKE:''' Now this one REALLY creeps me out!

''{Pan to Matt at the computer workstation, wearing Missy's glasses and hairband, and speaking into a Marzipan tube}''

'''MATT:''' ''{Marzipan voice}'' And then I went to the STORE, and then I punched somebody in the face, and then I picked a flower, and then... I did something else and then I blew my nose.

''{Cut back to Mike leaning on the amps. He now has a white phone in his shirt's breast pocket. Mike makes a fake ringing noise, and "answers" the phone}''

'''MIKE:''' Hello?

''{The phone REALLY starts ringing. Matt and Mike start laughing. The frame "jumps"}''

'''MIKE:''' Hey Matt, some trucker wants to know how you do the voices for those terrible old-timey cartoons you're always making.

''{The camera pans to Matt}''

'''MATT:''' Ohhh, that's a great question, Mike. What we had to do with THAT was jury-rig a little sample of style. ''{grabs a styrofoam cup with "Old Timey Filter" written on it.}'' Take a simple voice like, say, Strong Bad ''{takes the Strong Bad tube from the briefcase}'' and add the Old Timey Filter onto it. ''{Matt holds the cup to the end of the tube}'' Let's see what we get. ''{Matt starts speaking into the tube, producing Old-Timey Strong Bad}'' I'll give you old-timey, you mountebank!

'''MIKE:''' Excuse me?

''{Matt starts laughing evilly}''

'''MIKE:''' Fresh!

''{Matt keeps laughing, until finally Mike tackles him}''

'''MATT:''' Oh I'm sorry Mike!

''{Cut to Mike looking around confusedly. We can hear The Cheat noises being made}''

'''MIKE:''' Where is that coming from?

''{More The Cheat noises. Mike looks over to the side, and the camera focuses on what he looked at; a Kick the Cheat doll.}''

'''MIKE:''' What?

''{The Cheat noises}''

'''MIKE:''' ''{poking the doll}'' Are you talking, little guy?

''{More The Cheat noises. Mike looks behind him}''

'''MIKE:''' Oh, Matt!

''{Camera pans to Matt, holding up a short cardboard tube with The Cheat written on it, and making more The Cheat noises. Cut to Matt holding up what appears to be two cardboard tubes end to end.}''

'''MATT:''' OK, ready!

''{The camera zooms out, and we can see that Mike is helping hold up more, so it looks like all of the tubes have been combined into one big mega tube. Matt speaks into the tube}''

'''MATT:''' ''{Stinkoman voice}'' '''''DOUBLE DEEEEEUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCE''''' gah!

''{Matt catches his breath. Cut to Matt and Mike standing near the briefcase again.}''

'''MIKE:''' I want to do another one, Matt!

'''MATT:''' Nah, that's all the time we've got for today, Mike.

'''MIKE:''' No, seriously!

''{Matt and Mike start scuffling over one of the tubes, resulting in the tube becoming mangled. We can see that it was labeled "Bubs"}''

'''MATT:''' Great. Now we have to kill off Bubs. Just like Homeschool Winner.

''{Matt throws the mangled tube at Mike angrily, hitting him}''

'''MATT:''' I'm outta here.

''{Matt walks off in a huff. Mike picks up the mangled tube and talks into it}''

'''MIKE:''' ''{Powered by The Cheat Bubs}'' My name's Bubs! This is my regulah voice! ''{stops talking into it and shrugs}'' Sounds good to me.

''{The screen fades to a cartoon tombstone, reading as follows:}''

<pre>
BUBS
19?8–2004

"That'll be
five dollars."
</pre>

== Fun Facts ==
===Explanations===
*The character voices were accomplished by overdubbing the character dialogue later.

===Trivia===
*[[The Brothers Chaps]] have a mousepad from [[They Might Be Giants]]' [http://store.yahoo.com/tmbg-catalog/ online store], specifically the one with the log design.
*This is the first time we hear the [[Powered by The Cheat]] version of [[The King of Town]].

===Remarks===
*It turns out, in [[virus]], that [[Bubs]] hasn't been killed off after all. "virus" made not too long after the DVD was released.
*When seen in the suitcase, there are no tubes for [[Marzipan]] or [[The Cheat]], although both tubes are seen later on.

===Inside References===
*The tombstone at the end is a reference to the end of [[replacement]].
*The [[Old Characters|Homeschool Winner]] quip is an obvious jab at how various [[Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)|Homestar Runner]] fansites have made such a big deal out of such an obscure character.
*The sound Matt is making as Mike comes in sounds like the sound [[Homestar Runner|Homestar]] makes when putting the toothpicks and olives in the sandwich, in the toon [[Where's The Cheat?]].

===Real-World References===
*[[Wikipedia:Björn Borg|Björn Borg]] is a famous Swedish tennis player, most well known for defeating John McEnroe to win the 1980 Wimbledon Cup.

== Related Links ==
*[[strongbad_email.exe]]
*[[Sample of Style Too]]

[[Category:Strong Bad DVD]]

User:Will

Darthvader66 — Tue, 17 Jan 2006 02:26:22 GMT

Darthvader66: SIGN'd!

== Attention! Am I like the ONLY person who still does the Recent Changes Patrol? DO YOUR JOBS, PEOPLE!! ==

== Another attention! I have now changed the deadline for 50 signatures to February 1st. Please, if you read this, sign my guestbook. ==

== Overview ==

Guys, I hope you all know I rock. 'Cause you really need to.

Anyway, my name is Willis Periwinkle. I've seen every cartoon on Homestar Runner, and I can safely say I've seen most more than twice. I found out Hrwiki.org a while ago when I typed in Homsar.com to see what happened. The result was a boring website, but one that led me to Hrwiki.org. I thought the idea was a clever one and soon I went on the website regularly. now I always check Hrwiki.org before going to Homestarrunner.com. I didn't actually know what easter eggs were before going here. You can't imagine the amount of toons I had to see all over again. Ah well. T'was fun to see them again anyway.

== How I discovered Homestar Runner ==
Well, I actually learned about it in 2003, when my friend Marcus wore a Trogdor hoodie to school. He loved the website but I thought it sounded wierd and refused to check it out. When I moved to my new school, my friend Aidan started talking about it, and I knew I must check it out now. When I did, it became the most frequently visited website on my computer. Score.

== My favorites ==

I don't have any favorites. the toons are like my children, I love them all!

== So, who the heck is this guy?! ==

Well, I rock. That's all you really need to know. I told you that before, and I'm not happy to tell you again. That just really annoys me.

== Why the heck does this annoying jerk stay on such a cool website? ==
Because he has no friends. Kidding.

== Why the heck does this guy use so many headlines? ==

== Because he feels like it. So there. ==

== Things i'm proud of ==
well, I am not at all proud of this, but I ended up becoming a temporary troll. I was rewording something on the king of town new version, and when I came back, it had been deleted. I made it again. When I came back (just in case) it was deleted again. I got really mad and edited it so it said to stop editing, whoever ahole it was. I was subsequently blocked by firebird. Ah well. firebird, wherever you are, I apoligize. I don't have an anger problem, I have a stupidity and arrogance problem.

I also managed to revert the first pages that NSMC corrupted. No I didn't. I just wish I did.

I edit primarily on STUFF pages, and I like to think that I write valuable insights, though I doubt it.

== Anything else you want to know about? ==
Email me at willdude630@yahoo.com. And my im is willisperiwinkle at aim.

== Thanks to... ==
Thunderbird, Abdiviklas, Joeyday, Bubsty, Its dot com, and all other sysops. (Note: all of these people are just people i consider cool.)

== Anyone wanna sign my guestbook? ==

In another reference to my amazing admiration for the geeks behind this website, I made a guestbook too. Please? Thanks, everyone! I need 50 signatures before February. ReadysetGO!

#{{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 04:27, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
#{{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 04:31, 31 December 2005 (UTC) I am ''never'' passing up a guestbook. Ever. Plever. Jever! Jivery! JIBEVERY! JIBNEY!!! ''{faints}''
#{{User:Kilroy/sig}} 04:41, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
#--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 06:24, 1 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:55, 1 January 2006 (UTC) My autograph? Sure!
#--{{User:The 386/sig}} 18:02, 1 January 2006 (UTC) I don't care how much I have or what I'm doing. I am signing this.
#{{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 18:12, 1 January 2006 (UTC) The Cheat, get in here with my tissues!
#{{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 19:29, 1 January 2006 (UTC)Happy 2006 year time...
#[[User:Marth 99|Marth 99]] I'll sign your guestbook! Good luck fillin' up all that xtra space down there! Oh yeah happy '06.
#[[User:Nintendogs123|Nintendogs123]] Sign mine! Happy New Year!
#{{User:The thing/sig}} 15:36, 2 January 2006 (UTC) GOOZEBERRIES! 
#{{User:Tampo/sig}}
#[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]]
#{{User:Bubsty/sig}} 23:57, 2 January 2006 (UTC) Haldo!
#[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 01:29, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Salty/sig}} 04:03, 3 January 2006 (UTC) Sign'd!!
#{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 04:13, 3 January 2006 (UTC) Hi person
#{{User:LePorello/sig}} 13:29, 3 January 2006 (UTC)Talk to me, peoples!
#{{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}
#[[User:Trendy Totebag|Trendy Totebag]] 20:46, 5 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 03:37, 8 January 2006 (UTC)-Yeah, thats how I became a grape. More tea, Seamus?
#--{{User:Smileyface11945/sig}} 00:17, 9 January 2006 (UTC) I... like... MUFFINS!!
#{{User:djm1791/sig}} 02:27, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
#[[User:TheGreatLogini|TheGreatLogini]] 12:35, 11 January 2006 (UTC) sign mine! sign mine!!!!!!!
#{{User:Bubyman/sig}} 11, January 2006
#{{User:SupremeRulerOfSBadia/sig}} 15:45, 14 January 2006 (UTC) Second sign for me today! DoDoDoo DoDoDooDo!
#[[User:Bluebry muffin|Bluebry muffin]] 14:33, 15 January 2006 (UTC) Signing guestbooks is fun! How much do I owe you?
#{{User:Gnome of Fury/sig}} 00:06, 16 January 2006 (UTC) Good luck, but I seriously don't think you'll get 50 sigs by 2-1-06...
#[http://fanstuff.hrwiki.com/index.php/Count_X Count X] 02:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC) G. Luck.
#[[User:Darthvader66|Darthvader66]] 02:26, 17 January 2006 (UTC) Woah, hope everything works out with this.

Yeah, I hope my guestbook will be this long.

== My aspirations for the future of wikidom ==
I hope to be nominated as a sysop next year. I know this will never happen, but I still wish it would. Then I could hang out with cool people like Joeyday and Thunderbird. Oh, and Grapenuts. That cereal is a-prettypretty good! Yeah, I could totally replace him as a sysop. I mean, a robot?! Oh, wait. I couldn't. If that thing had a brain, it'd have twice the iq of me. Ah well.

I also hope to fight the next NSMC kinda vandal, if ever there was one. This time, I actually know how to revert edits, and I might actually help when the next big vandal comes!

Finally, I hope to be the user most linked to pages. That'd be awesome.

== Coolest person of the week==
with mixed bags of inspiration and dissapointment, [[User: Bubsty]]

== cool people ==

note that these are all cool people, but only a few have been my coolest person of the week.
trendy totebag,
it's dot com,
thunderbird l17,
bubsty (goodbye),
the thing,
marth 99,
abdiviklas,
joeyday,
firebird,
benol,
e.l. cool,
venusy,
this is under construction. i have not found out all of my cool users yet.

== Check out my new sig! ==
{{User:Seriously/sig}}

Talk:death metal

Darthvader66 — Tue, 17 Jan 2006 01:39:55 GMT

Darthvader66: /* Square Mad */

==More of the same==
Another 'hey, this is what all the music from this genre sounds like' strong bad email? Oh well, the rusty meat was funny.
:Strong Bad likes generalisations, doesn't he? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::totally. also notice all of those bands are incredibly bad and steriotypically punk. are the brothers chaps trying to send some sort of message here? [[User:Seriously|Seriously]] 20:51, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Yes, I agree, all two of those bands were very punk. And those deutch sounding words that Taranchula used sounded like they could've been more punk than metal as well. And I know TBC were trying to make a legitimate contribution to the death metal scene, but trying just ain't good enough. They should really think twice before making such laughable music.

::::The music is laughable on purpose. This was a good one.

==Square Mad==
I thought [[Strong Mad]] bending down was very... Insightful. I had no idea just how "Square" he really was... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 20:45, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, that guy's like a big square. It's just weird is all. Un...settling. And creepy. Although we've seen that sort of thing in [[fingers]] before. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::We also get a sense of Strong Mad's shape in [[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy]], though the character styles are a bit different there. I think this cartoon shows it the most clearly, so far. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 20:50, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
:::The Strong Mad Figurine is also a big square, replicated exactly as seen in the cartoon. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 20:54, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
::::Mmmmh. I gotta get that set soon. I've only got set #2. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:08, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Actually, the figurine has him with more of a football-shaped top. {{User:Salty/sig}} 21:33, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
:But still really flat though, right? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Oh yeah, flat as a pamcake. {{User:Salty/sig}} 22:06, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
This is not at all the first time we've seen the top of Strong Mad's body, so I don't see why it should say that... --[[User:Spanky The Dolphin|Spanky The Dolphin]] 23:41, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

When was another time? [[User:Darthvader66|Darthvader66]] 01:39, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

== What the crap is up with the edit conflicts?? ==

Did something change in MediaWiki recently that causes edit conflicts to occur when two people submit edits to COMPLETELY DIFFERENT sections of the page at the same time? Twice now, I've had to resolve multiple edit conflicts while I'm editing, say, Easter Eggs, and another person edits Remarks. I thought MediaWiki was supposed to be smart enough to handle both of those edits independently of one another. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 20:58, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

:I thought so, too. Anyhow, it's bugging the crap out of me. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 21:01, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
::It just did it for me as well. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 21:15, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
:::It's not fixed in the version that we are running. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 21:24, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
::::I distinctly remember this working (and thus not having this section-editing problem) BEFORE the whole NSMC mess forced us to upgrade our security. I wonder if the new security components are affecting things... {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 21:56, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

==Transcript==

Is somebody actually working on it? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:06, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

:No. I gave up. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 21:07, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

::Any vetern want to step up to the plate? I could work on some of it, but I've got no gurantees how much longer I'll be able to stick around. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:08, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Heimstern's doing it. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 21:09, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

::::Okay, as long as it's being taken care of. And not by more than one person. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:10, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::Oh. Because I would've volunteered. I mean, if he drops it, I'll take care of it... {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 21:11, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::Heimy's doing it? Then, uh, sorry for encroaching.--[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
:::::::yeah, i worked on abit, but then someone else had edited while i did, so i just gave up. i hate transcripts. {{User:Seriously/sig}} 22:09, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

== Picture ==
Is there anywhere we can use this: [[Image:Strong_bad_email_D.PNG|300px]] {{User:The thing/sig}} 22:13, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
:It looks usefull, but it has some cropping issues and I can't think of anywhere to put it. {{User:Salty/sig}} 22:23, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't that go under something like TGS Issue 10.3 or something? [[User:Darthvader66|Darthvader66]] 23:33, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
:I bet you could put this on Minor TGS Characters for an entry for Brainkrieg... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== IAM ==
I was IAMing Larry: 
 
Me: Yo Hi Larry! 
Me: You were just typing. 
Me: I know your there. 
Me: I'm just gonna keep saying stuff until you say somthing back. 
ladeezluvlarry71: sigh 
ladeezluvlarry71: I mean 
ladeezluvlarry71: tonight! wooh-mon! we'll be drivin' down Sepulveda with the t-top down? 
Me: I told you you were there. 
ladeezluvlarry71: indeed 
Me: Do you know Strong Bad? 
ladeezluvlarry71: yep, he's up on my wall 
ladeezluvlarry71: on the everybody everybody poster 
Me: Cool 
Me: Tell him I said Hi. Me: Actuly I don't have to go so not bye. 
Me: So... 
ladeezluvlarry71 is away at 5:51:06 PM. 
Me: so 
 
Auto response from ladeezluvlarry71: HEY! I'm gonna be online later on playing an MMORPG if you wanna join my guild! 
{{User:The thing/sig}} 23:06, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

:Looks like forum fodder. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:07, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

::Whats that? {{User:The thing/sig}} 23:09, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

:::The forum? It's where you go to discuss non-wiki HR-related stuff. Click on the forum link at the bottom of the main article. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:11, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

::::I con't go there. {{User:The thing/sig}} 23:14, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::Why not? In any event, stuff like this doesn't belong on article Talk pages. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:28, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::Every time I try to go on it it doesn't load. {{User:The thing/sig}} 23:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)\

:::::::Odd, seems to work just fine for me. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:32, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Talk:death metal

Darthvader66 — Tue, 17 Jan 2006 01:39:38 GMT

Darthvader66: /* Square Mad */

==More of the same==
Another 'hey, this is what all the music from this genre sounds like' strong bad email? Oh well, the rusty meat was funny.
:Strong Bad likes generalisations, doesn't he? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::totally. also notice all of those bands are incredibly bad and steriotypically punk. are the brothers chaps trying to send some sort of message here? [[User:Seriously|Seriously]] 20:51, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Yes, I agree, all two of those bands were very punk. And those deutch sounding words that Taranchula used sounded like they could've been more punk than metal as well. And I know TBC were trying to make a legitimate contribution to the death metal scene, but trying just ain't good enough. They should really think twice before making such laughable music.

::::The music is laughable on purpose. This was a good one.

==Square Mad==
I thought [[Strong Mad]] bending down was very... Insightful. I had no idea just how "Square" he really was... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 20:45, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, that guy's like a big square. It's just weird is all. Un...settling. And creepy. Although we've seen that sort of thing in [[fingers]] before. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::We also get a sense of Strong Mad's shape in [[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy]], though the character styles are a bit different there. I think this cartoon shows it the most clearly, so far. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 20:50, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
:::The Strong Mad Figurine is also a big square, replicated exactly as seen in the cartoon. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 20:54, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
::::Mmmmh. I gotta get that set soon. I've only got set #2. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:08, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Actually, the figurine has him with more of a football-shaped top. {{User:Salty/sig}} 21:33, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
:But still really flat though, right? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Oh yeah, flat as a pamcake. {{User:Salty/sig}} 22:06, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
This is not at all the first time we've seen the top of Strong Mad's body, so I don't see why it should say that... --[[User:Spanky The Dolphin|Spanky The Dolphin]] 23:41, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
When was another time? [[User:Darthvader66|Darthvader66]] 01:39, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

== What the crap is up with the edit conflicts?? ==

Did something change in MediaWiki recently that causes edit conflicts to occur when two people submit edits to COMPLETELY DIFFERENT sections of the page at the same time? Twice now, I've had to resolve multiple edit conflicts while I'm editing, say, Easter Eggs, and another person edits Remarks. I thought MediaWiki was supposed to be smart enough to handle both of those edits independently of one another. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 20:58, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

:I thought so, too. Anyhow, it's bugging the crap out of me. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 21:01, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
::It just did it for me as well. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 21:15, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
:::It's not fixed in the version that we are running. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 21:24, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
::::I distinctly remember this working (and thus not having this section-editing problem) BEFORE the whole NSMC mess forced us to upgrade our security. I wonder if the new security components are affecting things... {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 21:56, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

==Transcript==

Is somebody actually working on it? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:06, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

:No. I gave up. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 21:07, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

::Any vetern want to step up to the plate? I could work on some of it, but I've got no gurantees how much longer I'll be able to stick around. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:08, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Heimstern's doing it. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 21:09, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

::::Okay, as long as it's being taken care of. And not by more than one person. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:10, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::Oh. Because I would've volunteered. I mean, if he drops it, I'll take care of it... {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 21:11, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::Heimy's doing it? Then, uh, sorry for encroaching.--[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
:::::::yeah, i worked on abit, but then someone else had edited while i did, so i just gave up. i hate transcripts. {{User:Seriously/sig}} 22:09, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

== Picture ==
Is there anywhere we can use this: [[Image:Strong_bad_email_D.PNG|300px]] {{User:The thing/sig}} 22:13, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
:It looks usefull, but it has some cropping issues and I can't think of anywhere to put it. {{User:Salty/sig}} 22:23, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't that go under something like TGS Issue 10.3 or something? [[User:Darthvader66|Darthvader66]] 23:33, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
:I bet you could put this on Minor TGS Characters for an entry for Brainkrieg... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== IAM ==
I was IAMing Larry: 
 
Me: Yo Hi Larry! 
Me: You were just typing. 
Me: I know your there. 
Me: I'm just gonna keep saying stuff until you say somthing back. 
ladeezluvlarry71: sigh 
ladeezluvlarry71: I mean 
ladeezluvlarry71: tonight! wooh-mon! we'll be drivin' down Sepulveda with the t-top down? 
Me: I told you you were there. 
ladeezluvlarry71: indeed 
Me: Do you know Strong Bad? 
ladeezluvlarry71: yep, he's up on my wall 
ladeezluvlarry71: on the everybody everybody poster 
Me: Cool 
Me: Tell him I said Hi. Me: Actuly I don't have to go so not bye. 
Me: So... 
ladeezluvlarry71 is away at 5:51:06 PM. 
Me: so 
 
Auto response from ladeezluvlarry71: HEY! I'm gonna be online later on playing an MMORPG if you wanna join my guild! 
{{User:The thing/sig}} 23:06, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

:Looks like forum fodder. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:07, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

::Whats that? {{User:The thing/sig}} 23:09, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

:::The forum? It's where you go to discuss non-wiki HR-related stuff. Click on the forum link at the bottom of the main article. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:11, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

::::I con't go there. {{User:The thing/sig}} 23:14, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::Why not? In any event, stuff like this doesn't belong on article Talk pages. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:28, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::Every time I try to go on it it doesn't load. {{User:The thing/sig}} 23:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)\

:::::::Odd, seems to work just fine for me. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:32, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

death metal

Darthvader66 — Mon, 16 Jan 2006 23:41:04 GMT

Darthvader66: Fixing link to band page, not disimbiguation

'''Strong Bad Email #141'''
[[Image:Sbemail141.PNG|thumb|"Let the evil flow forth."]]

Strong Bad instructs viewers on how to make an awesome death metal song.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, [[Larry Palaroncini]], {{Film|Strong Mad}}, [[Taranchula]], {{Film|Homestar Runner}} (Easter egg), {{Film|What's Her Face}} (Easter egg), {{Film|Cheerleader}} (Easter egg)

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[The Basement]]

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}

'''Date:''' January 16, 2006

'''Running Time:''' 3:47

==Transcript==

'''STRONG BAD:''' Email, ah ooh, ooh, ah ah ooh, email.

<blockquote class="lappy email">
<div>subject: death metal</div>
Dear Strong Bad, 
I'm in this death metal band at my school, and I am in need 
of some of your expert lyrical advice: what words sound 
really cool when you scream 'em at the top of your lungs? 
Dane 
Corvallis, OR 
</blockquote>

''{He says "Ding dong, string strong, bing bong" instead of "Dear Strong Bad."}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Whoa! You must go to a pretty cool school. Most schools just have a marching band or maybe a jazz ensemble. But a death metal band? That's extracurriculariffic! ''{clears screen}'' Now let's see, first, you'd better be ugly, Dane. Or fat. The gift of death metal does not smile on the good looking. If there's any doubt, go ahead and hot-glue some corn flakes to your face. That'll do the trick. Now, I'm no geographist, but I don't think Oregon is anywhere near Scandinavia, which seems to be the only place left where death metal will get you any chicks. ''{clears screen}'' As for lyrics, you've got it all wrong! Screaming words at the ''top'' of your lungs is for people with blond hair. Ya know, words like 'tonite,' 'wooh-mon,' and the name of any street in L.A.''{types "run 'webcam'"}'' Check it out! ''{clears screen. A window with a camera shot of Larry Palaroncini pops up.}''

'''LARRY PALARONCINI:''' ''{sings the following lines, which appear below the shot under the screen name "ladeezluvlarry71"}'' tonight! wooh-mon! we'll be drivin' down Sepulveda with the t-top down?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Thanks, Larry.

'''LARRY PALARONCINI:''' ''{the words continue to appear below Larry's image}'' no prob, Strong Bad. HEY! i'm gonna b online later on playing an MMORPG if you wanna join my guild!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yeah, maybe.

'''LARRY PALARONCINI:''' no wait! ''{the text "you kicked ladeezluvlarry71 offline" appears in red. The window closes.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' So for death metal, you want to scream from the bowels of your lungs. The bowels! Words like, ''{in a deep, sinister voice, and with the words in green, spooky letters}'' 'decay,' 'deranged,' 'decrepit,' and um, 'delouse.' In fact, you really can't go wrong with anything that starts with d-e. 'Cept for maybe

''{cut to the auditorium from [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]], with a singer and back-up on stage}''

'''SINGER:''' Dentist!

'''BACK-UP:''' Jugga jigga wugga!

'''SINGER:''' Deli-style!

'''BACK-UP:''' Jugga jigga wugga!

''{cut back to the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{in Teen Girl Squad voice}'' That was Brainkrieg. They got last place.'' {in normal voice}'' So let's recap: ugly, Nordic, bowels, d-e words. Now all you gotta do is ''{cut to Strong Mad in the Basement}'' hunch all upon yourself, pretend you're holding a mystical orb in each hand ''{Strong Mad holds out his hands and a circular outline appears in each}'' and let the evil flow forth. ''{The scene darkens.}''

'''STRONG MAD:''' ''{bounces up and down}'' DeVito. DENIRO!! DELOUISE!!!! ''{cut back to the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Broodle-broodle-broodle blap-biddle-baddle! Broodle-broodle-broodle blap-biddle-blap! Whoa! Boy, do I ever need a quadruple bass pedal. And now, let's watch how it all comes together on the Half-Hour Death Metal Dungeon Hour! ''{Cut to the tv in the Basement, on which the text "Half-Hour Death Metal Dungeon [Hour]" is seen. Strong Bad sits on the couch. Taranchula appears on the screen.}''

'''TARANCHULA:''' ''{in pseudo-Scandinavian accents}'' Ja, we are Tarachula!

'''DAVE OLAFTENSTON:''' You just saw videos from Vinger, Schlaugh-ter and the Winnie Wincent Inwasion.

'''SCHENKEL MCDOO:''' Ja, now here's a sneak peak at our new wideo—

''{The TV cuts to the video. We see a screw on some rusty metal. Cut to another scene with rusty metal. Cut to a piece of beef slithering across rusty metal. Cut to four screws, one of which moves around quickly. Cut to the beef, which is stabbed by a nail and then bound with metal wires. The beef explodes. Cut to the beef slithering over the rusty metal, this time in the opposite direction. Cut to Strong Bad on the couch.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Creeping rusty meat. Truly the heart and soul of all death metal. Except, now I feel like I really need to brush my teeth. Lookin' at all that rust. And beef. While I'm gone, complete this worksheet I've prepared for you aspiring death metal types. And, uh, careful with the hot-glue gun, Dane. ''{He goes offscreen to the left, while the worksheet floats to the front of the screen. The worksheet includes [[The Paper|The Paper's]] customary "Click here to email Strong Bad" link at the bottom.}''

==Easter Eggs==
*Click on "fresh juice" at the end to see Homestar Runner come in looking for try-outs.

:''{Homestar running walks in, holding a box of corn flakes and corn flakes glued to his face}''
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Uh, hello? Is anybody here? I'm uh, here to try out for the uh, jazz ensemble.
:*Click on "Corn Krunch" during the easter egg to see a closeup of the box.

*Click on "deafening" at the end to see an extra [[Teen Girl Squad]] scene.
:'''SINGER:''' DELi-STYLE!
:'''BACK UP:''' Jugga jigga wugga!
:'''SINGER:''' DE LA SOUL!
:'''BACK UP:''' Jugga jigga wugga!
:''{Cut to What's Her Face and Cheerleader standing in the crowd.}''
:'''WHATS HER FACE:''' Cheerleader, are you here to see Brainkrieg?
:'''CHEERLEADER:''' ''{wearing a shirt that says "de"}'' I come for the wuggas, but stay for the jiggy juggas.
:'''BACK UP:''' Jugga jigga wugga!

==Fun Facts==

===Explanations===
*[[Wikipedia:Scandinavia|Scandinavia]] is a group of countries in northern Europe. It consists of the countries Norway, Denmark, and Sweden, and is sometimes also said to include Finland and Iceland, especially when the term is used in English. Many successful Death and Black Metal bands originate in Scandinavia, and the genres are arguably the most popular there. Examples of famous Death & Black Metal bands include Children of Bodom, In Flames, Emperor, Mayhem, Celtic Frost, & Dimmu Borgir
*[[Wikipedia:Sepulveda Boulevard|Sepulveda Boulevard]] is a major street in [[Wikipedia:Los Angeles, California|Los Angeles]].
*[[Wikipedia:MMORPG|MMORPG]] stands for "'''M'''assively '''M'''ultiplayer '''O'''nline '''R'''ole-'''P'''laying '''G'''ame", and joining a guild or team is a common element in many such games. Popular MMORPGs include [[Wikipedia:Everquest|Everquest]], [[Wikipedia:World of Warcraft|World of Warcraft]], [[Wikipedia:City of Heroes|City of Heroes]] and [[Wikipedia:Dark Age of Camelot|Dark Age of Camelot]].
*[[Wikipedia:Decoupage|Decoupage]] is a craft art that involves decorating objects by gluing cut-out pictures onto them and, sometimes, painting them, then sealing the decoration under varnish.
*"Mort", as in the name "Mort Dougland", is French for "death".

===Trivia===
*This is the first time that the top of Strong Mad's head is seen.
*When this email first came out, there was no "back" button at the end. This was fixed in a matter of minutes.
*The worksheet reads:
Death Metal Worksheet
Which words would NOT
be good death metal lyrics?
destruction
decapitation
delicious
demonic
fresh juice
decaying
deafening
deteriorate
deltoid
deity
devastation
denature

click here to email strongbad

===Inside References===
*The TGS Battle of the Crappy High School Bands is taken from [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]].
*The [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#No "i" in team boy|No "i" in team boy]] and one of the [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Trolls|Trolls]] appear silhouetted in the background of the Teen Girl Squad Easter egg.
*The "Video Thyme" is a reference to "Message Thyme" from [[marzipan]].
*The name of the director of the Taranchula video, Mort Dougland, is a reference to [[Teeg Dougland]].

===Real-World References===
*[[Wikipedia:De La Soul|De La Soul]] is a hip-hop group made of Posdnous, Trugoy, and P.A. Mase. They are best known for their groundbreaking 1989 debut album [[Wikipedia:3 Feet High and Rising|"3 Feet High and Rising"]] and their performance with the band Gorillaz on the single "Feel Good Inc". Their second album, [[Wikipedia:De La Soul is Dead|De La Soul is Dead]] is on [[Matt Chapman]]'s favorite album list. De La Soul was referenced before in [[50 emails]].
*Tarachula's music video is done in the style of a number of videos done by the band [[Wikipedia:Tool (band)|Tool]], most notably their video for the song "Sober".
*Strong Mad's death metal lyrics are a reference to three film and television actors; [[Wikipedia:Danny_Devito|Danny DeVito]], [[Wikipedia:Robert_Deniro|Robert De Niro]], and [[Wikipedia:Dom_DeLouise|Dom DeLouise]].
*The "Winnie Wincent Inwasion" is in reference to the [[Wikipedia:Vinnie_Vincent_Invasion|Vinnie Vincent Invasion]]. Vinnie Vincent formed the Invasion after leaving [[Wikipedia:KISS_%28band%29|KISS]].

==External Links==
*[[HR:sbemail141.html|Watch "death metal"]]
*[[HR:sbemail141.swf|View the Flash file for "death metal"]]
*[[Forum:6714|forum thread re: "death metal"]]

{{Strong Bad Email}}

Talk:death metal

Darthvader66 — Mon, 16 Jan 2006 23:33:30 GMT

Darthvader66: /* Picture */

==More of the same==
Another 'hey, this is what all the music from this genre sounds like' strong bad email? Oh well, the rusty meat was funny.
:Strong Bad likes generalisations, doesn't he? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::totally. also notice all of those bands are incredibly bad and steriotypically punk. are the brothers chaps trying to send some sort of message here? [[User:Seriously|Seriously]] 20:51, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Yes, I agree, all two of those bands were very punk. And those deutch sounding words that Taranchula used sounded like they could've been more punk than metal as well. And I know TBC were trying to make a legitimate contribution to the death metal scene, but trying just ain't good enough. They should really think twice before making such laughable music.

==Square Mad==
I thought [[Strong Mad]] bending down was very... Insightful. I had no idea just how "Square" he really was... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 20:45, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah, that guy's like a big square. It's just weird is all. Un...settling. And creepy. Although we've seen that sort of thing in [[fingers]] before. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::We also get a sense of Strong Mad's shape in [[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy]], though the character styles are a bit different there. I think this cartoon shows it the most clearly, so far. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 20:50, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
:::The Strong Mad Figurine is also a big square, replicated exactly as seen in the cartoon. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 20:54, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
::::Mmmmh. I gotta get that set soon. I've only got set #2. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:08, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Actually, the figurine has him with more of a football-shaped top. {{User:Salty/sig}} 21:33, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
:But still really flat though, right? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Oh yeah, flat as a pamcake. {{User:Salty/sig}} 22:06, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

== What the crap is up with the edit conflicts?? ==

Did something change in MediaWiki recently that causes edit conflicts to occur when two people submit edits to COMPLETELY DIFFERENT sections of the page at the same time? Twice now, I've had to resolve multiple edit conflicts while I'm editing, say, Easter Eggs, and another person edits Remarks. I thought MediaWiki was supposed to be smart enough to handle both of those edits independently of one another. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 20:58, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

:I thought so, too. Anyhow, it's bugging the crap out of me. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 21:01, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
::It just did it for me as well. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 21:15, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
:::It's not fixed in the version that we are running. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 21:24, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
::::I distinctly remember this working (and thus not having this section-editing problem) BEFORE the whole NSMC mess forced us to upgrade our security. I wonder if the new security components are affecting things... {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 21:56, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

==Transcript==

Is somebody actually working on it? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:06, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

:No. I gave up. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 21:07, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

::Any vetern want to step up to the plate? I could work on some of it, but I've got no gurantees how much longer I'll be able to stick around. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:08, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Heimstern's doing it. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 21:09, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

::::Okay, as long as it's being taken care of. And not by more than one person. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:10, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::Oh. Because I would've volunteered. I mean, if he drops it, I'll take care of it... {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 21:11, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::Heimy's doing it? Then, uh, sorry for encroaching.--[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
:::::::yeah, i worked on abit, but then someone else had edited while i did, so i just gave up. i hate transcripts. {{User:Seriously/sig}} 22:09, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

== Picture ==
Is there anywhere we can use this: [[Image:Strong_bad_email_D.PNG|300px]] {{User:The thing/sig}} 22:13, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
:It looks usefull, but it has some cropping issues and I can't think of anywhere to put it. {{User:Salty/sig}} 22:23, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Wouldn't that go under something like TGS Issue 10.3 or something? [[User:Darthvader66|Darthvader66]] 23:33, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

== IAM ==
I was IAMing Larry: 
 
Me: Yo Hi Larry! 
Me: You were just typing. 
Me: I know your there. 
Me: I'm just gonna keep saying stuff until you say somthing back. 
ladeezluvlarry71: sigh 
ladeezluvlarry71: I mean 
ladeezluvlarry71: tonight! wooh-mon! we'll be drivin' down Sepulveda with the t-top down? 
Me: I told you you were there. 
ladeezluvlarry71: indeed 
Me: Do you know Strong Bad? 
ladeezluvlarry71: yep, he's up on my wall 
ladeezluvlarry71: on the everybody everybody poster 
Me: Cool 
Me: Tell him I said Hi. Me: Actuly I don't have to go so not bye. 
Me: So... 
ladeezluvlarry71 is away at 5:51:06 PM. 
Me: so 
 
Auto response from ladeezluvlarry71: HEY! I'm gonna be online later on playing an MMORPG if you wanna join my guild! 
{{User:The thing/sig}} 23:06, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

:Looks like forum fodder. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:07, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

::Whats that? {{User:The thing/sig}} 23:09, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

:::The forum? It's where you go to discuss non-wiki HR-related stuff. Click on the forum link at the bottom of the main article. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:11, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

::::I con't go there. {{User:The thing/sig}} 23:14, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::Why not? In any event, stuff like this doesn't belong on article Talk pages. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:28, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::Every time I try to go on it it doesn't load. {{User:The thing/sig}} 23:30, 16 January 2006 (UTC)\

:::::::Odd, seems to work just fine for me. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:32, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Mellow Mushroom

Darthvader66 — Mon, 16 Jan 2006 05:53:30 GMT

Darthvader66: Oops, they got a 2006 one now

[[Image:Mellow_Mushroom.png|thumb|right|220px|Mel the Mellow Mushroom]]
[[Image:Mellow_Mushroom_Melody.png|thumb|right|220px|Melody: A cousin of Marzipan?]]
'''Mellow Mushroom''' is a non-Homestar Runner related site designed by [[The Brothers Chaps]] in 2001 for a chain of [[Pizza|pizza]] restaurants headquartered in Georgia. The layout, navigation, and sound effects are similar to that of the [[Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)|Homestar site]], and the voices of the brothers and [[Missy Palmer]] are very distinctive.

== Characters ==
*Mel O. Mushroom - Cool dude and farmer in Shroomville
*Dude Shroomington - Friend of Mel and love interest of Melody
*Melody - Friendly employee of Mellow Mushroom
*The Fungis: "Port, Toe & Bello" - Trickster mushroom men
*Wizard - Helpful mountain wizard

== Pages ==
*Toons: One so far - "[[Mellow Mushroom/The Sun Almost Rises|The Sun Almost Rises]]"
*Games: Pizza Darts, Skateboarding Dude, Wack-a-FunGuy, Dress up Mel
*Mel-Locater: Locations of all the Mellow Mushroom Restaurants
*Characters: Fountain drink machine character page
*Menu: All the food available from Mellow Mushroom restaurants
*Gear: Clothing and gift certificates, and a calendar of 2006.

==Fun Facts==

*"Mountain Dude", in the Characters Page, sounds very much like [[Mountain Dew]].
*"Melody-ade", in the Characters Page, sounds very much like [[Melonade]].
*Melody's head, ponytail, and overall body shape bear a striking resemblance to [[Marzipan]].
*Port, one of The Fungis, makes extremely similar sounds to [[The Cheat]].

==Transcript to "The Sun Almost Rises"==

Moved to [[Mellow_Mushroom/The_Sun_Almost_Rises]]

== External Links ==
* [http://www.mellowmushroom.com Mellow Mushroom]
[[Category:Side Projects]][[Category: Real Companies]]

Mellow Mushroom

Darthvader66 — Mon, 16 Jan 2006 05:52:04 GMT

Darthvader66: New 2005 calender?

[[Image:Mellow_Mushroom.png|thumb|right|220px|Mel the Mellow Mushroom]]
[[Image:Mellow_Mushroom_Melody.png|thumb|right|220px|Melody: A cousin of Marzipan?]]
'''Mellow Mushroom''' is a non-Homestar Runner related site designed by [[The Brothers Chaps]] in 2001 for a chain of [[Pizza|pizza]] restaurants headquartered in Georgia. The layout, navigation, and sound effects are similar to that of the [[Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)|Homestar site]], and the voices of the brothers and [[Missy Palmer]] are very distinctive.

== Characters ==
*Mel O. Mushroom - Cool dude and farmer in Shroomville
*Dude Shroomington - Friend of Mel and love interest of Melody
*Melody - Friendly employee of Mellow Mushroom
*The Fungis: "Port, Toe & Bello" - Trickster mushroom men
*Wizard - Helpful mountain wizard

== Pages ==
*Toons: One so far - "[[Mellow Mushroom/The Sun Almost Rises|The Sun Almost Rises]]"
*Games: Pizza Darts, Skateboarding Dude, Wack-a-FunGuy, Dress up Mel
*Mel-Locater: Locations of all the Mellow Mushroom Restaurants
*Characters: Fountain drink machine character page
*Menu: All the food available from Mellow Mushroom restaurants
*Gear: Clothing and gift certificates, and a calendar of 2005.

==Fun Facts==

*"Mountain Dude", in the Characters Page, sounds very much like [[Mountain Dew]].
*"Melody-ade", in the Characters Page, sounds very much like [[Melonade]].
*Melody's head, ponytail, and overall body shape bear a striking resemblance to [[Marzipan]].
*Port, one of The Fungis, makes extremely similar sounds to [[The Cheat]].

==Transcript to "The Sun Almost Rises"==

Moved to [[Mellow_Mushroom/The_Sun_Almost_Rises]]

== External Links ==
* [http://www.mellowmushroom.com Mellow Mushroom]
[[Category:Side Projects]][[Category: Real Companies]]

Talk:Television Sightings

Darthvader66 — Mon, 16 Jan 2006 01:07:09 GMT

Darthvader66:

==Grainy Screencaps==
Sorry about the grainy screencaps. Buffy, Angel, and Zim will soon have clean DVD screencaps once I finish with some schoolwork. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 02:22, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

== Foster's ==

This show has 4 documented sightings, so I think the creators are H*R fans hiding it. The other H*R fans just find it.[[User:Amy Whifflepoof|Amy Whifflepoof]]

*I saw an episode of Foster's that I don't know what it was called (Comcast calls it The Big Leblooski, but it's not always right), about bowling, and learning how to bowl, and half the plot was that Bloo was trying to win a paddleball at a crane machine. But one of the things in the crane looked suspiciously like a Strong Bad head... but not exactly like it. I don't have a screenshot, and because it wasn't totally like SB, it may have been a coincedence, so I didn't put it on. If anyone else has seen this episode, please tell me if you noticed this resemblance (or the object in question). --[[User:Bonkava!|Bonkava!]] 04:44, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I did happen to see the episode, and it did bear a little bit of a resemblence.--[[User:witchesbrew82|witchesbrew82]] 00:13, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== Lizzie Mcguire ==
In the epiosde ''My Dinner with Dig'' there is a Teacher named Miss. Chapman, I know it ain't h*r related but it's Mike and Matt chapman related if no-one replies in 7 days, I will add it.

:Consider this that reply. It's not H*R-related, and it's not TBC related. Chapman is a very common name.

:P.S. Please sign your posts. — [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 04:43, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Well, ya didn't have to be rude about it Intteruptor Jones, I am not so sure how to sign my posts.-Anynomous

== Disney (Australia) ==

On the Disney Channel in Australia, there have been ads, for santa claus 2 and a bunch of other movies, and they say it's ''Christmas in July''. Like decemberween, should I add it, if no-one replies in 7 days, I'll add it.-Anynonmous

:''Christmas in July'' is a very common phrase. [[The Brothers Chaps]] are not the creators of this idea. This does not count as a sighting. -[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 23:54, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Alright then show me were else someone has used ''Christmas in July''.

:Off the top of my head, I can think of a local furniture manufacturer that had annual Christmas in July sales, and my orthodontist office's theme of the month was once Christmas in July. -[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 00:47, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::How about [http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2004-13,GGLD:en&q=%22christmas+in+july%22 354,000] of them? -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 14:59, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

== Ed, Edd 'n Eddy ==

An episode of Ed, Edd 'n Eddy has the Eds making a time capsule, in which they have flashbacks to clips from older episodes. However, as a fan of the show will note, most of these flashback clips are fakes; that is they never occured in earlier episodes of the show, much like most of Strong Bad's flashbacks in [[personal favorites]].
--[[User:Payphone Ed|Payphone Ed]] 15:59, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:Way to far of a stretch to be a sighting. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 16:00, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)

That's why I tossed it in here.--[[User:Payphone Ed|Payphone Ed]] 16:08, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:Oh. Gotcha. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 16:10, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)

== Bloo Done It? ==

How is this a reference:In an episode called "Bloo done it" Bloo just grows pecs and abs. Just like Stinkoman in the time capsule e-mail. In tonnes of shows people just grow pecs and abs.

== Stan the Man ==

I went on to tv.com and did a search for Matt Chapman. It turns out he did the voice of Kingston in Episode Three of the series [http://www.tv.com/stan-the-man/show/14754/episode_guide.html Stan the Man]. Should I/someone else add this to this page? Or is this just for the Characters of hsr.com? --[[User:Smileyface11945|Smileyface11945]] 23:29, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Billy and Mandy ==

what about how billy jumps over the busses on his bike? it looks almost exactly like in the e-mail "Mile" when strong bad cartwheels over Bubs' busses--[[User:StrongBad110990|StrongBad110990]] 00:09, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

I removed the Billy and Mandy reference where Billy supposedly pronounced "job" like Coach Z would. After seeing that episode again, Billy in fact pronounces it like "Job," the man from the Biblical book of Job. -- MSR

that's not what i was asking but...ok

==my dad the rock star==
In an episode, (I can't remember which, sorry!) Q's dad is walking, and he walks past Coach's Z's medallion on a fence! [[User:Fizz123|I'm not logged in]]

Isn't Q's huge Q medallion a parody of Coach Z's Z itself?--[[User:witchesbrew82|witchesbrew82]] 00:11, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)

==Good Eats==
In last night's episode on meatballs, "Great Balls of Meat," host Alton Brown pulls out an apparently useless trinket and says, "Best five grand I ever spent." Too vague? The show is filmed in Atlanta and AB is a definite net user, so I think it's likely he knows about H/R. - [[User:Mrdarcy|Mrdarcy]] 14:47, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
:He seems just like the kind of person to reference Homestar. I'd say put it on there for now. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

==The Colbert Report==

Recently on The Colbert Report, Steven was talking about his word "Truthiness" being nominated for word of the year and said "I'm simutaneouly honoured and offended to recieve this award". Then, the next day he said another quote similar to one off H*R.com (Forget what it was). Considering it could just be coincidence I thought I'd ask first. - [[User:Darthvader66|Darthvader66]] 01:07, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

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Darthvader66 — Sun, 15 Jan 2006 21:31:12 GMT

Darthvader66: adding Guestbook

Talk:Happy Trogday

Darthvader66 — Sun, 15 Jan 2006 21:08:43 GMT

Darthvader66: /* Possible Sketchbook? */

==Format==
I assume similar fanstuff-slideshow works like [[More Fan Costumes]] will be used as precedent here. Let's make sure nobody starts uploading a zillion screenshots. It'll take quite a bit of time to describe all the images, but that's what we're lookin' at. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 06:13, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Here, I got them listed up to when it goes really fast:

*{{tick}} A skewed drawing of trogdor ''{says "TROGDOR! THE BURNINATOR!" on the bottom left corner of the page}''
*{{tick}} <s>Some kind of goop</s> in the shape of trogdor on a plate ''{edited in text next to it that says "TROGDOR the BURNINATOR"; this is actually an S-shaped pancake with syrup making up the wings and small pancake pieces as the arm and legs and flame}''
*{{tick}} A cookie shaped like trogdor
*{{tick}} A drawing of Trogdor (possibly MS painted) ''{says "TROGDOR!" renewed!!" His beefy arm is also a whole lot bigger.}''
*{{tick}} A plushie Trogdor
*{{tick}} A "text picture" of Trogdor ''{correct term is ASCII Art. Underneath is "TRODGOR" also in ASCII art, followed by "Teh 1337 burn1na7x0r"}''
*{{tick}} A chalk drawing of Trogdor with a little girl lying beside it. ''{little girl is also screaming}''
*{{tick}} Three costumes
*{{tick}} A drawing of Trogdor ''{says "TRODGOR!!!" in the top left corner, plus there is a sign that says "A Burnination free-zone!" which is on fire. There is also a guy screaming in the bottom right corner.}''
*{{tick}} A cake with Icing shaped like Trogdor ''{says "Happy Birthday PAT!"}''
*{{tick}} A cake shaped like Trogdor
*{{tick}} A drawing done in the sand of Trogdor ''{with a guy's head edited in near Trogdor's head, or he could be buried and the sand with bad picture quality}''
*{{tick}} <s>Two</s> One drawing<s>s</s> of Trogdor ''{a really well done drawing, at that.}''
*{{tick}} An Etch-a-Sketch type drawing of Trogdor ''{I think it's one of those magnetic drawing things. "Burninator" wraps around it (so the "TOR" is in the lower left, though the rest of the word is on the right), and a peasant is on fire.}''
*{{tick}} A Maine Liscense plate reading "Trogdor"
*{{tick}} A Delaware Liscese plate reading the same thing.
*{{tick}} A picture of a country side <s>with Trogdor edited in</s> ''{It's actually a giant Trogdor shaped hot-air balloon. Jay: Still looks edited to me though. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}}:It's edited. I know this image was photoshopped in one of the Fark.com page.}''
*{{tick}} What appears to be a fish stick shaped like Trogdor ''{could be a chicken strip}''
*{{tick}} <s>A cookie</s> shaped like Trogdor ''{Not a cookie. Can't tell what it is.}'' ''{looks to me like one o' those fried shrimp you'd see in a Chinese Buffet. {{User:Salty/sig}} 22:11, 14 January 2006 (UTC)}''
*{{tick}} Two Digital rendered pictures of Trogdor ''{3D images. Second one has no wings.}''
*{{tick}} A Zippo with a <s>picture of Trogdor and the words "The Burninator" engraved in it</s> ''{A better way of saying this is "An almost-exact replica of the drawing of Trogdor that Strong Bad drew engraved in it, along with "TROGDOR THE BURNiNATOR"}''
*{{tick}} A costume ''{A shirt that has Trodgor drawn on it. The man seems to be dressed as some kind of Rennaisance-era knight.}''
*<s>A costume with some guy getting burninated</s> ''{Same as last one, just zoomed in.}''
*A "block" letter drawing of Trogdors name with the "T" beathing fire ''{The word "BURNINATED!!" is in the T's fire. Also, the "D" is saying "[[Main Page 15|I'm Sad we're all burning...]]" and the sun is saying "RUN!" It's credited to "Ryan Ingham".}''
*{{tick}} A tattoo of Trogdor
*{{tick}} A light bright thing of Trogdor ''{with glowsticks for flames}''
*{{tick}} A drawing of Trogdor done in the snow
*{{tick}} A drawing of Trogdor done in the sand
*{{tick}} A Virginia liscense plate reading <s>"Trogdor"</s> ''{It reads "BRNIN8R"}''
*{{tick}} 2 Crayon drawings of Trogdor ''{Trogdor is blue in the first one}''
*{{tick}} A pencil Drawing of Trogdor
*{{tick}} A scene of Trogdor burninating peasents and cotteges carved into pumpkins
*{{tick}} A digital rendered picture of Trogdor ''{could be better said by "A 3D rendering of Trogdor burninating cottages"}''
*{{tick}} A sand drawn picture of Trogdor ''{the flames are actually on fire.}''
*{{tick}} A guy in a peasent costume holding a plushie Trogdor ''{from [[More Fan Costumes]]}''
*{{tick}} A drawing of Trogdor ''{says "The Trogdor factor}''
*{{tick}} (I'll get this one in a second) ''{A guy in a Trogdor costume holding cardboard-cutout flames out of his mouth. There is another guy in front of the flames screaming.}''
*{{tick}} A picture of Trogdor chasing some of the main characters and Strong Bad and the Cheat riding on him ''{Trogdor is chasing The Poopsmith, Strong Sad, Pom Pom, Marzipan, Coach Z, Bubs, The King of Town and Homestar. Strong Mad is standing behind Trogdor.}''
*{{tick}} A hockey Jersey reading "Trogdor"
*{{tick}} A sculpture of Trogdor done in Legos
*{{tick}} * A drawing of Trogdor ''{repeated later}''
*{{tick}} A grafitti drawing of Trogdor
*{{tick}} "Trogdor house" ''{It's apparently at some Texas university (notice the sign on the right)}''
*{{tick}} 2 sewn plushies of Trogdor
*{{tick}} A sculpture of Trogdor ''{really evil looking; it's holding a [[Big Knife]]}''
*{{tick}} A picture of Trogdor done in "post-its" ''{note: this is the MIT "hack" documented at [[School Sightings#Trogdor: MIT Hacker]]. Should be linked in a Fun Fact.}''
{Goes really fast}

Each of these are on screen for maybe a frame or two:
*{{tick}} Foil in the shape of Trogdor.
*{{tick}} A drawn construction sign that says "Danger! Burninating in progress!" and with Trogdor in the middle.
*{{tick}} Drawings of "Baby Trogdor" ''{These could be [[Sketchbook]] Drawings, actually, given their style... there appears to be a Kerrek on there too, and an archer that just ARROWED! one of the Trogdors.}''
*{{tick}} Trogdor drawn in snow ''{A burninated peasant too}''
*{{tick}} Trogdor painted on the side of a ceramic bowl
*{{tick}} Another license plate that reads "TROGDOR" (From New Mexico — [[User:Gus|Gus]] 17:37, 13 January 2006 (UTC))
*{{tick}} 3D Rendering of Trogdor
*{{tick}} Trogdor stiched onto some fabric
*{{tick}} Trogdor drawn in chalk ''{Strongly resembles a winged crocodile, actually}''
*{{tick}} A clay trogdor (looks like a Christmas tree decoration)
*{{tick}} Trogdor-shaped cookie
*{{tick}} A Californian license plate that reads "BURNN8"
*{{tick}} A colour pencil drawing of Trogdor ''{This is a repeat - it was seen earlier in the same 'toon, marked with a yellow star}''
*{{tick}} An iPod screen that has Trogdor on it and text that reads "Do not disconnect."
*{{tick}} Trogdor painted onto a balloon (or it could be a piñata; {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}}: It's drawn on an egg, you can see the shell taxture.)
*(Several of the previous pictures are repeated:)
*Foil
*iPod
*Babies
*"BURNN8" plate
*Ceramic bowl
*Ornament
*3D rendering seen in the rapid section above
*Stitched onto a small piece of fabric
*Crocodile-like chalk drawing
*New Mexico plate
*Cookie
*Second snow drawing
*A third instance of the yellow-star drawing
*"Burninating in progress"
*Drawn on a balloon

*At the end, there's a brick wall with "TROGDOR STRIKES AGAIN" graffitied on it.

Can someone maybe check that?[[User:Darthvader66|Darthvader66]] 06:50, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
:Holy cow, Vader; you must have the eyes of an eagle and the typing skills of... a bat. (Because it's midnight.) That'll be incredibly helpful. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 06:55, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

::Probably viewed the flash file, and moved the scroll bar slowly, bit by bit. That's what I'd have done. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 08:00, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Right, right. But still. The speed of documentation is what was impressive (and the strength of will, which was much greater than mine at the moment). —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 08:17, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

::::Ow, my edit conflict! Anyways, I confirmed the list. I used a seek bar. -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 08:31, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::We should get another list with just the re-used images. I know I at least recognized a few of those images. Then clean it up a bit and create a special section in the Fun Facts. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 08:38, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::We should probably make a [[Happy Trogday Song Visuals]] page for them when you're done. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 13:57, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Actually, this page will kind of be that when we're done. Compare [[More Fan Costumes]]: I know it's not a song, but if it were, that would be the "visuals" page. Further complications are that this song isn't new; it's just the Trogdor song. But yeah, by the time we're done describing all the shots it'll be a pretty dang good "visuals" page! —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 17:10, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::I think the page the way it is now is fine for someone who wants to read the lyrics. Adding the visuals however would make it too distracting, and they'd have to go a different page to just read the song. That's why secondary pages for visuals are useful for things like this with so many different images. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 17:24, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::I disagree, actually; I can't really imagine anyone watching this cartoon and saying, "Man, what were the words to that song?" I ''can'', however, imagine them saying, "Wait, I—what the—what were all those images again?" —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 17:49, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::::I added the MIT hack fun fact. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 19:04, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

'''Double Edit Conflict:''' Just remember what we discussed in [[Talk:More Fan Costumes#Pictures]]. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 19:12, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

SWF Extractor extracts 66 images, not inclusing the pencil-sketch Stinkoman/Trogador frame, but I only count 59 check marks in the list above. Something missing? [[User:Gus|Gus]] 21:45, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
:I suspect some are multiple pictures in one shot One checked line reads "Three costumes", for example. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Just a heads up, that "Etch A Sketch" drawing is actually done on a [[Wiki:Magna Doodle|Magna Doodle]]. I didn't know if I should change the text up there or just leave a note, and this seemed less intrusive. {{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 18:11, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

==Running Gag Alert!==
:Before anyone else mentions it, "HAPPY TROGDAY TROGGiE" is yet another case of lowercase I's. Yay me. Stating the obvious! Eh, I felt like throwing my two cents worth in. =P -[[User:YK|YK]] 08:03, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
:I added it to the page. I hope nobody minds... I'm still new here and somewhat shy about making edits. -[[User:YK|YK]] 08:22, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
::Looks great. Don't be too shy about making edits. If you get the formatting or wording slightly wrong, somebody'll come by and correct it. At least the idea's there. Usually it's a race for the new transcript or Fun Fact, you should feel privilaged to have been able to add something that obvious before anybody else beat you to it. :) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 08:36, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Yay! My first (real) edit! Indeed, a rare "[[privileges|privalege]]". =P -[[User:YK|YK]] 08:45, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
::::Indeed indeed. Nobody expects the Thursday night update. I just came on to check my watchlist, not to get sidetracked with Fun Facts. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 08:49, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::Sorry YK, but it's not. SB's handwriting is the source of the gag, not the gag itself. Check the [[Lowercase i's|page]] for details. Don't worry, you're not the first person to make that mistake, and I'm sure you'll find another thing to make an edit on. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 15:44, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::Ack! You're right. I was so excited about finding something, that I overlooked the even *more* obvious. Darn. Oh well. =P -[[User:YK|YK]] 00:52, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

== guys, is this under construction? ==
i noticed that we have not done the slideshow and put it on there. there are a lot of pictures, should we undergo the massive effort? [[User:Seriously|Seriously]] 11:30, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

:See [[Talk:Happy_Trogday#Format|above]]. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 13:12, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Friday the 13th|Friday the 13th]] ==

Just wanted to note that on one of the worst dates people are most scared of, came one of the best shorts in a while. The day is ''bad'', but in the good way! {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 15:51, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

:Bad luck, my clavicus majorus! My day was just fine, with no more bad things happening to me than usual, and it's just got even better! Now I have the urge to air guitar! {{User:The Chort/sig}} 18:49, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

::Random trivia: In Spain, it's ''Tuesday'' the 13th that's unlucky. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:11, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, Friday the 13th is always a day of ''good'' luck for me - hurray for the Darth Katana! {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}

On Friday the 13th, I discovered my report card has all A's... how's that for good luck? --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]

== AYB? ==

Doesn't this sorta remind you of All Your Base? Maybe we should put something up. [[User:216.55.219.202|216.55.219.202]] 18:18, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

:Just what I was thinking! However, I don't think we should add this idea to the article. The only link they have is that they're both montages of various sightings. It'd probably get STUFFED. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 18:46, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
:: And AYB was probably created mainly by the video's designers Photoshopping pictures. These are pictures of real-life things taken by fans. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:46, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
:::'''UPDATE:''' This is now in STUFF. Later, you can see what the result was by scrolling down. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Trogday ==

First Cheatday, now Trogday? This "replacing the ''birth'' in ''birthday'' with a syllable from the person's name" might be the dawn of a running gag. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 19:08, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

definitely. add a nice stub at the bottom, and this article is set. [[User:Seriously|Seriously]] 01:08, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
:By the way, I've actually been in the habit of doing that with my friends even before H*R. (E.g. "Mattday".) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:15, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

== New Trogdor mp3? ==

I think this trogdor song sounds way more awesome than the original. Do you think there's a possibility that TBC will release a "3rd anniversary trogdor mp3?"

[[User:Agentjs03|Agentjs03]] 20:28, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
:If ya really want it, it's on the [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits|CD]]. But it's still possible, yes. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::I thought so. I heard the difference and remembered that CD. {{User:Salty/sig}} 22:44, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
:::And Agent, you should seriously get the CD. It's awesome, and right now it's just $10! I'd put it off until recently, but was glad I finally got it. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:16, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
::::Are you serious??? It sounds like that on the cd? I'll get it, ya. I thought the cd version would still sound like the downloadable mp3. I thought the metal sounded WAY heavier on this one. Thanks for the tip. BTW, is there a place I can preview the different songs on the cd?
[[User:Agentjs03|Agentjs03]] 05:07, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::[[HR:midnight.swf|Here]] is a sample of "Because It's Midnite" by Limozeen. And [[HR:cheatnotdead.swf|Here]] is a sample of "The Cheat Is Not Dead". Hope this helps!--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 05:34, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

== Possible Sketchbook? ==

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8827/possiblesketchbook0qa.png
Could be a sketch.... but I'm not sure. I'm just throwing this out there. Any thoughts? It sort of looks like a TBC drawing, but then again it could just be a fan. {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 06:39, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
: I noted the very same thing above. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:42, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
The only reason it could be a sketchbook thing is because of the white-paper background, but it doesn't look really like something TBC would draw. It'd probably be a fan thing, I think. {{User:Salty/sig}} 22:14, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

I thought someone said those were fan art from "BHZ"... whatever that is. [[User:Darthvader66|Darthvader66]] 21:08, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

== Wow! ==

It's like TBC just made Happy Trogday the way it is for the sole purpose of making it hard for us wiki people to transcribe. --[[User:Ian911299|Ian911299]]

Do you think they're going to limit themselves just for the Wiki? I don't think so! Still, I see that the "section in progress" message is still up - you guys need any help? {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}

== The Trogdor Sale ==

Does it seem weird that the Trogdor polo shirts weren't marked down? --[[User:64.148.27.99|64.148.27.99]] 16:45, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Happy Trogday

Darthvader66 — Sun, 15 Jan 2006 21:08:22 GMT

Darthvader66: /* Possible Sketchbook? */

==Format==
I assume similar fanstuff-slideshow works like [[More Fan Costumes]] will be used as precedent here. Let's make sure nobody starts uploading a zillion screenshots. It'll take quite a bit of time to describe all the images, but that's what we're lookin' at. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 06:13, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Here, I got them listed up to when it goes really fast:

*{{tick}} A skewed drawing of trogdor ''{says "TROGDOR! THE BURNINATOR!" on the bottom left corner of the page}''
*{{tick}} <s>Some kind of goop</s> in the shape of trogdor on a plate ''{edited in text next to it that says "TROGDOR the BURNINATOR"; this is actually an S-shaped pancake with syrup making up the wings and small pancake pieces as the arm and legs and flame}''
*{{tick}} A cookie shaped like trogdor
*{{tick}} A drawing of Trogdor (possibly MS painted) ''{says "TROGDOR!" renewed!!" His beefy arm is also a whole lot bigger.}''
*{{tick}} A plushie Trogdor
*{{tick}} A "text picture" of Trogdor ''{correct term is ASCII Art. Underneath is "TRODGOR" also in ASCII art, followed by "Teh 1337 burn1na7x0r"}''
*{{tick}} A chalk drawing of Trogdor with a little girl lying beside it. ''{little girl is also screaming}''
*{{tick}} Three costumes
*{{tick}} A drawing of Trogdor ''{says "TRODGOR!!!" in the top left corner, plus there is a sign that says "A Burnination free-zone!" which is on fire. There is also a guy screaming in the bottom right corner.}''
*{{tick}} A cake with Icing shaped like Trogdor ''{says "Happy Birthday PAT!"}''
*{{tick}} A cake shaped like Trogdor
*{{tick}} A drawing done in the sand of Trogdor ''{with a guy's head edited in near Trogdor's head, or he could be buried and the sand with bad picture quality}''
*{{tick}} <s>Two</s> One drawing<s>s</s> of Trogdor ''{a really well done drawing, at that.}''
*{{tick}} An Etch-a-Sketch type drawing of Trogdor ''{I think it's one of those magnetic drawing things. "Burninator" wraps around it (so the "TOR" is in the lower left, though the rest of the word is on the right), and a peasant is on fire.}''
*{{tick}} A Maine Liscense plate reading "Trogdor"
*{{tick}} A Delaware Liscese plate reading the same thing.
*{{tick}} A picture of a country side <s>with Trogdor edited in</s> ''{It's actually a giant Trogdor shaped hot-air balloon. Jay: Still looks edited to me though. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}}:It's edited. I know this image was photoshopped in one of the Fark.com page.}''
*{{tick}} What appears to be a fish stick shaped like Trogdor ''{could be a chicken strip}''
*{{tick}} <s>A cookie</s> shaped like Trogdor ''{Not a cookie. Can't tell what it is.}'' ''{looks to me like one o' those fried shrimp you'd see in a Chinese Buffet. {{User:Salty/sig}} 22:11, 14 January 2006 (UTC)}''
*{{tick}} Two Digital rendered pictures of Trogdor ''{3D images. Second one has no wings.}''
*{{tick}} A Zippo with a <s>picture of Trogdor and the words "The Burninator" engraved in it</s> ''{A better way of saying this is "An almost-exact replica of the drawing of Trogdor that Strong Bad drew engraved in it, along with "TROGDOR THE BURNiNATOR"}''
*{{tick}} A costume ''{A shirt that has Trodgor drawn on it. The man seems to be dressed as some kind of Rennaisance-era knight.}''
*<s>A costume with some guy getting burninated</s> ''{Same as last one, just zoomed in.}''
*A "block" letter drawing of Trogdors name with the "T" beathing fire ''{The word "BURNINATED!!" is in the T's fire. Also, the "D" is saying "[[Main Page 15|I'm Sad we're all burning...]]" and the sun is saying "RUN!" It's credited to "Ryan Ingham".}''
*{{tick}} A tattoo of Trogdor
*{{tick}} A light bright thing of Trogdor ''{with glowsticks for flames}''
*{{tick}} A drawing of Trogdor done in the snow
*{{tick}} A drawing of Trogdor done in the sand
*{{tick}} A Virginia liscense plate reading <s>"Trogdor"</s> ''{It reads "BRNIN8R"}''
*{{tick}} 2 Crayon drawings of Trogdor ''{Trogdor is blue in the first one}''
*{{tick}} A pencil Drawing of Trogdor
*{{tick}} A scene of Trogdor burninating peasents and cotteges carved into pumpkins
*{{tick}} A digital rendered picture of Trogdor ''{could be better said by "A 3D rendering of Trogdor burninating cottages"}''
*{{tick}} A sand drawn picture of Trogdor ''{the flames are actually on fire.}''
*{{tick}} A guy in a peasent costume holding a plushie Trogdor ''{from [[More Fan Costumes]]}''
*{{tick}} A drawing of Trogdor ''{says "The Trogdor factor}''
*{{tick}} (I'll get this one in a second) ''{A guy in a Trogdor costume holding cardboard-cutout flames out of his mouth. There is another guy in front of the flames screaming.}''
*{{tick}} A picture of Trogdor chasing some of the main characters and Strong Bad and the Cheat riding on him ''{Trogdor is chasing The Poopsmith, Strong Sad, Pom Pom, Marzipan, Coach Z, Bubs, The King of Town and Homestar. Strong Mad is standing behind Trogdor.}''
*{{tick}} A hockey Jersey reading "Trogdor"
*{{tick}} A sculpture of Trogdor done in Legos
*{{tick}} * A drawing of Trogdor ''{repeated later}''
*{{tick}} A grafitti drawing of Trogdor
*{{tick}} "Trogdor house" ''{It's apparently at some Texas university (notice the sign on the right)}''
*{{tick}} 2 sewn plushies of Trogdor
*{{tick}} A sculpture of Trogdor ''{really evil looking; it's holding a [[Big Knife]]}''
*{{tick}} A picture of Trogdor done in "post-its" ''{note: this is the MIT "hack" documented at [[School Sightings#Trogdor: MIT Hacker]]. Should be linked in a Fun Fact.}''
{Goes really fast}

Each of these are on screen for maybe a frame or two:
*{{tick}} Foil in the shape of Trogdor.
*{{tick}} A drawn construction sign that says "Danger! Burninating in progress!" and with Trogdor in the middle.
*{{tick}} Drawings of "Baby Trogdor" ''{These could be [[Sketchbook]] Drawings, actually, given their style... there appears to be a Kerrek on there too, and an archer that just ARROWED! one of the Trogdors.}''
*{{tick}} Trogdor drawn in snow ''{A burninated peasant too}''
*{{tick}} Trogdor painted on the side of a ceramic bowl
*{{tick}} Another license plate that reads "TROGDOR" (From New Mexico — [[User:Gus|Gus]] 17:37, 13 January 2006 (UTC))
*{{tick}} 3D Rendering of Trogdor
*{{tick}} Trogdor stiched onto some fabric
*{{tick}} Trogdor drawn in chalk ''{Strongly resembles a winged crocodile, actually}''
*{{tick}} A clay trogdor (looks like a Christmas tree decoration)
*{{tick}} Trogdor-shaped cookie
*{{tick}} A Californian license plate that reads "BURNN8"
*{{tick}} A colour pencil drawing of Trogdor ''{This is a repeat - it was seen earlier in the same 'toon, marked with a yellow star}''
*{{tick}} An iPod screen that has Trogdor on it and text that reads "Do not disconnect."
*{{tick}} Trogdor painted onto a balloon (or it could be a piñata; {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}}: It's drawn on an egg, you can see the shell taxture.)
*(Several of the previous pictures are repeated:)
*Foil
*iPod
*Babies
*"BURNN8" plate
*Ceramic bowl
*Ornament
*3D rendering seen in the rapid section above
*Stitched onto a small piece of fabric
*Crocodile-like chalk drawing
*New Mexico plate
*Cookie
*Second snow drawing
*A third instance of the yellow-star drawing
*"Burninating in progress"
*Drawn on a balloon

*At the end, there's a brick wall with "TROGDOR STRIKES AGAIN" graffitied on it.

Can someone maybe check that?[[User:Darthvader66|Darthvader66]] 06:50, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
:Holy cow, Vader; you must have the eyes of an eagle and the typing skills of... a bat. (Because it's midnight.) That'll be incredibly helpful. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 06:55, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

::Probably viewed the flash file, and moved the scroll bar slowly, bit by bit. That's what I'd have done. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 08:00, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Right, right. But still. The speed of documentation is what was impressive (and the strength of will, which was much greater than mine at the moment). —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 08:17, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

::::Ow, my edit conflict! Anyways, I confirmed the list. I used a seek bar. -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 08:31, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::We should get another list with just the re-used images. I know I at least recognized a few of those images. Then clean it up a bit and create a special section in the Fun Facts. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 08:38, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::We should probably make a [[Happy Trogday Song Visuals]] page for them when you're done. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 13:57, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Actually, this page will kind of be that when we're done. Compare [[More Fan Costumes]]: I know it's not a song, but if it were, that would be the "visuals" page. Further complications are that this song isn't new; it's just the Trogdor song. But yeah, by the time we're done describing all the shots it'll be a pretty dang good "visuals" page! —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 17:10, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::I think the page the way it is now is fine for someone who wants to read the lyrics. Adding the visuals however would make it too distracting, and they'd have to go a different page to just read the song. That's why secondary pages for visuals are useful for things like this with so many different images. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 17:24, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::I disagree, actually; I can't really imagine anyone watching this cartoon and saying, "Man, what were the words to that song?" I ''can'', however, imagine them saying, "Wait, I—what the—what were all those images again?" —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 17:49, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::::I added the MIT hack fun fact. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 19:04, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

'''Double Edit Conflict:''' Just remember what we discussed in [[Talk:More Fan Costumes#Pictures]]. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 19:12, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

SWF Extractor extracts 66 images, not inclusing the pencil-sketch Stinkoman/Trogador frame, but I only count 59 check marks in the list above. Something missing? [[User:Gus|Gus]] 21:45, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
:I suspect some are multiple pictures in one shot One checked line reads "Three costumes", for example. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Just a heads up, that "Etch A Sketch" drawing is actually done on a [[Wiki:Magna Doodle|Magna Doodle]]. I didn't know if I should change the text up there or just leave a note, and this seemed less intrusive. {{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 18:11, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

==Running Gag Alert!==
:Before anyone else mentions it, "HAPPY TROGDAY TROGGiE" is yet another case of lowercase I's. Yay me. Stating the obvious! Eh, I felt like throwing my two cents worth in. =P -[[User:YK|YK]] 08:03, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
:I added it to the page. I hope nobody minds... I'm still new here and somewhat shy about making edits. -[[User:YK|YK]] 08:22, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
::Looks great. Don't be too shy about making edits. If you get the formatting or wording slightly wrong, somebody'll come by and correct it. At least the idea's there. Usually it's a race for the new transcript or Fun Fact, you should feel privilaged to have been able to add something that obvious before anybody else beat you to it. :) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 08:36, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Yay! My first (real) edit! Indeed, a rare "[[privileges|privalege]]". =P -[[User:YK|YK]] 08:45, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
::::Indeed indeed. Nobody expects the Thursday night update. I just came on to check my watchlist, not to get sidetracked with Fun Facts. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 08:49, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::Sorry YK, but it's not. SB's handwriting is the source of the gag, not the gag itself. Check the [[Lowercase i's|page]] for details. Don't worry, you're not the first person to make that mistake, and I'm sure you'll find another thing to make an edit on. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 15:44, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::Ack! You're right. I was so excited about finding something, that I overlooked the even *more* obvious. Darn. Oh well. =P -[[User:YK|YK]] 00:52, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

== guys, is this under construction? ==
i noticed that we have not done the slideshow and put it on there. there are a lot of pictures, should we undergo the massive effort? [[User:Seriously|Seriously]] 11:30, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

:See [[Talk:Happy_Trogday#Format|above]]. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 13:12, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

== [[Wikipedia:Friday the 13th|Friday the 13th]] ==

Just wanted to note that on one of the worst dates people are most scared of, came one of the best shorts in a while. The day is ''bad'', but in the good way! {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 15:51, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

:Bad luck, my clavicus majorus! My day was just fine, with no more bad things happening to me than usual, and it's just got even better! Now I have the urge to air guitar! {{User:The Chort/sig}} 18:49, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

::Random trivia: In Spain, it's ''Tuesday'' the 13th that's unlucky. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:11, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, Friday the 13th is always a day of ''good'' luck for me - hurray for the Darth Katana! {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}

On Friday the 13th, I discovered my report card has all A's... how's that for good luck? --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]

== AYB? ==

Doesn't this sorta remind you of All Your Base? Maybe we should put something up. [[User:216.55.219.202|216.55.219.202]] 18:18, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

:Just what I was thinking! However, I don't think we should add this idea to the article. The only link they have is that they're both montages of various sightings. It'd probably get STUFFED. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 18:46, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
:: And AYB was probably created mainly by the video's designers Photoshopping pictures. These are pictures of real-life things taken by fans. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:46, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
:::'''UPDATE:''' This is now in STUFF. Later, you can see what the result was by scrolling down. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Trogday ==

First Cheatday, now Trogday? This "replacing the ''birth'' in ''birthday'' with a syllable from the person's name" might be the dawn of a running gag. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 19:08, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

definitely. add a nice stub at the bottom, and this article is set. [[User:Seriously|Seriously]] 01:08, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
:By the way, I've actually been in the habit of doing that with my friends even before H*R. (E.g. "Mattday".) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:15, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

== New Trogdor mp3? ==

I think this trogdor song sounds way more awesome than the original. Do you think there's a possibility that TBC will release a "3rd anniversary trogdor mp3?"

[[User:Agentjs03|Agentjs03]] 20:28, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
:If ya really want it, it's on the [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits|CD]]. But it's still possible, yes. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::I thought so. I heard the difference and remembered that CD. {{User:Salty/sig}} 22:44, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
:::And Agent, you should seriously get the CD. It's awesome, and right now it's just $10! I'd put it off until recently, but was glad I finally got it. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:16, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
::::Are you serious??? It sounds like that on the cd? I'll get it, ya. I thought the cd version would still sound like the downloadable mp3. I thought the metal sounded WAY heavier on this one. Thanks for the tip. BTW, is there a place I can preview the different songs on the cd?
[[User:Agentjs03|Agentjs03]] 05:07, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::[[HR:midnight.swf|Here]] is a sample of "Because It's Midnite" by Limozeen. And [[HR:cheatnotdead.swf|Here]] is a sample of "The Cheat Is Not Dead". Hope this helps!--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 05:34, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

== Possible Sketchbook? ==

http://img293.imageshack.us/img293/8827/possiblesketchbook0qa.png
Could be a sketch.... but I'm not sure. I'm just throwing this out there. Any thoughts? It sort of looks like a TBC drawing, but then again it could just be a fan. {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 06:39, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
: I noted the very same thing above. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:42, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
The only reason it could be a sketchbook thing is because of the white-paper background, but it doesn't look really like something TBC would draw. It'd probably be a fan thing, I think. {{User:Salty/sig}} 22:14, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
I thought someone said those were fan art from "BHZ"... whatever that is. [[User:Darthvader66|Darthvader66]] 21:08, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

== Wow! ==

It's like TBC just made Happy Trogday the way it is for the sole purpose of making it hard for us wiki people to transcribe. --[[User:Ian911299|Ian911299]]

Do you think they're going to limit themselves just for the Wiki? I don't think so! Still, I see that the "section in progress" message is still up - you guys need any help? {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}

== The Trogdor Sale ==

Does it seem weird that the Trogdor polo shirts weren't marked down? --[[User:64.148.27.99|64.148.27.99]] 16:45, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

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I am, much like [[Strong Bad]] and [[The Brothers Chaps]], a nerd as well as a head. I consider myself to be a video game aficionado, and I am also notably interested in literature, computers, the Internet, Japanese culture and art and various types of fantasy and fiction. On the other hand, I listen to hip-hop and rock music more than anything, I wear beanies and necklaces most every day, I use urban slang quite often and I hold every head's secret weapon, the Xbox controller.

In the past I have written reviews of somewhat poor quality for [[Wikipedia:Amazon.com|Amazon.com]], which I have recently [[deleted]]. However, I plan to re-write the past reviews in a more professional manner sometime soon. I have also started much controversy among web sites such as [[Wikipedia:TV.com|TV.com]] and [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]].

== But Why Darth Katana X? ==

'''Darth Katana X''' is a character of mine, of whom I plan to use for various fan fiction as well as role playing fics in the near future. He is a character based on those from the ''[[Wikipedia:Star Wars|Star Wars]]'' movies, who is (as of now) fond of sword fighting and does so with a crossbreed of a Lightsaber and a Japanese Katana Sword. Currently, his only appearance, besides as my username, has been via TV.com, where he is the star of various blog entries, and answers the questions of readers. This concept was inspired by the [[Strong Bad Email]] series.

== My Trivial Goals ==

Today (the day that I wrote this) is the first day of 2006. I have been anticipating the new year for quite some time, and it's finally here. As everyone knows, this is the perfect time for resolutions. My important goals for this year are to be a nicer person (which is easier said than done), to spend less time with Homestar and Strong Bad and more time with my family, and to take more time to pray. Those are my important goals for [[20X6]] - I mean 2006 - and here I've lined out my trivial goals, which most will probably be more interested in.

* Write at least one article.
* Find more family friendly cartoons on the Internet. As of now, Homestar Runner is the only one I can watch whenever I want, whether my younger siblings are in the room or not - [http://www.fat-pie.com/ Fat Pie], [http://www.adultswim.com/ Insult Master] and [http://www.weebl.jolt.co.uk/ Weebl & Bob] don't fit the bill.
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And more to come.

=== Trivial Accomplishments ===

* Finally wrote a remark regarding the two stars from [[Everybody to the Limit]].
* Joined the [[HRWiki:Recent changes patrol|recent changes patrol]].

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=== John Reuben - 01/02/06 ===

:Dear Darth Katana X,
:How you doin'? I have three quick questions...
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:2. What's the best thing you've ever done?
:3. What's the best thing you've ever eaten?

:Later,
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=== The Onion - 01/08/06 ===

I haven't been there since last summer, but I thought you guys might want to check it out. It's just a bunch of fake stuff, but I can say that "people who like The Onion like Homestar" because all of my friends like 'em both and so do I. Just a warning, there's some pretty nasty stuff there. Well, [http://www.theonion.com/ here's where to get that].

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Talk:Happy Trogday

Darthvader66 — Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:50:43 GMT

Darthvader66: forgot to add my name

Talk:Happy Trogday

Darthvader66 — Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:50:19 GMT

Darthvader66: /* Format */

Talk:Happy Trogday

Darthvader66 — Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:48:14 GMT

Darthvader66:

Happy Trogday

Darthvader66 — Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:17:14 GMT

Darthvader66: /* Transcript */

Trogdor's third birthday.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Trogdor}}, {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Stinkoman}}, [[Trogador]]

'''Page Title:''' Burninating 3 Candles!

'''Places:''' [[Planet K]]

'''Date:''' January 13, 2006

== Transcript ==
''{The words "3 years ago..." appear on the screen. Flashback to email [[dragon]] with Strong Bad drawing Trogdor.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Let's put one of those beefy arms back on for good measure. {draws a single beefy arm on the back of the dragon} That looks really good. Comin' out of the back of his neck, there. Now he needs a name. How about...

''{cut to a montage featuring various pieces of Trogdor-related Fanstuff}''

''{screaming}'' TROGDOR!!! TROGDOR!!! ''{singing}'' Trogdor was a man! I mean, he was a dragon-man! Er, maybe he was just a dragon. Um... But he was still TROGDOR!!!! TROGDOR!!!! Burninating the countryside! Burninating the peasants! Burninating all the people! In their thatched roof COTTAGES!!! THATCHED ROOF COTTAGES!! And the Trogdor comes in the NIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!!!!!

{Cuts to a drawn picture of Trogdor wearing a birthday hat and party blower.}

== External Links ==
*[[HR:trogday.html|watch "Happy Trogday"]]
*[[HR:trogday.swf|view the Flash file for "Happy Trogday"]]

{{stub}}
[[Category:Holiday Toons]]

Happy Trogday

Darthvader66 — Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:14:14 GMT

Darthvader66: little bit more trasscript

Trogdor's third birthday.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Trogdor}}, {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Stinkoman}}, [[Trogador]]

'''Page Title:''' Burninating 3 Candles!

'''Places:''' [[Planet K]]

'''Date:''' January 13, 2006

== Transcript ==
''{The words "3 years ago..." appear on the screen. Flashback to email [[dragon]] with Strong Bad drawing Trogdor.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Let's put one of those beefy arms back on for good measure. {draws a single beefy arm on the back of the dragon} That looks really good. Comin' out of the back of his neck, there. Now he needs a name. How about...

''{cut to a montage featuring various pieces of Trogdor-related Fanstuff}''

''{screaming}'' TROGDOR!!! TROGDOR!!! ''{singing}'' Trogdor was a man! I mean, he was a dragon-man! Er, maybe he was just a dragon. Um... But he was still TROGDOR!!!! TROGDOR!!!! Burninating the countryside! Burninating the peasants! Burninating all the people! In their thatched roof COTTAGES!!! THATCHED ROOF COTTAGES!! And the Trogdor comes in the NIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!!!!!

{Cuts to a drawn picture of Trogdor wearing a birthday hat and party blower.]

== External Links ==
*[[HR:trogday.html|watch "Happy Trogday"]]
*[[HR:trogday.swf|view the Flash file for "Happy Trogday"]]

{{stub}}
[[Category:Holiday Toons]]

Happy Trogday

Darthvader66 — Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:05:49 GMT

Darthvader66: added song lyrics to transcript

Trogdor's third birthday.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Trogdor}}, {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Stinkoman}}, [[Trogador]]

'''Page Title:''' Burninating 3 Candles!

'''Places:''' [[Planet K]]

'''Date:''' January 13, 2006

== Transcript ==
''{The words "3 years ago..." appear on the screen. Flashback to email [[dragon]] with Strong Bad drawing Trogdor.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Let's put one of those beefy arms back on for good measure. {draws a single beefy arm on the back of the dragon} That looks really good. Comin' out of the back of his neck, there. Now he needs a name. How about... {screaming} TROGDOR!!! TROGDOR!!! {singing} Trogdor was a man! I mean, he was a dragon-man! Er, maybe he was just a dragon. Um... But he was still TROGDOR!!!! TROGDOR!!!! Burninating the countryside! Burninating the peasants! Burninating all the people! In their thatched roof COTTAGES!!! THATCHED ROOF COTTAGES!! And the Trogdor comes in the NIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT!!!!!

== External Links ==
*[[HR:trogday.html|watch "Happy Trogday"]]
*[[HR:trogday.swf|view the Flash file for "Happy Trogday"]]

{{stub}}
[[Category:Holiday Toons]]

Trogador

Darthvader66 — Fri, 13 Jan 2006 05:53:58 GMT

Darthvader66:

[[Image:trogador_20X6trogdor.jpg|thumb|Trogador, in all his majesty]]

'''Trogador''', a [[20X6]] version of [[Trogdor]],he was first shown during the [[NYU Talk - 1 Mar 2005|'05 NYU Talk]] hosted by [[The Brothers Chaps]]. The Brothers Chaps at one time stated that he was likely never to be used on the site, but he proved them wrong by asking [[Stinkoman]] for a "birthday challenge" in [[Happy Trogday]].

Trogador bears resemblance to a [[Wikipedia:Chinese dragon|Chinese dragon]]. The name may refer to the odd way in which Trogdor's name is said at the title screen of the [[TROGDOR!]] game. It could also be an [[Wikipedia:Engrish|Engrish]] reference, as some Western words translated into Japanese pick up extra syllables where there are two consonants in succession, such as "doragon," which means dragon.
[[Category: 20X6 Characters]]

The King of Town (toon)

Darthvader66 — Thu, 05 Jan 2006 14:15:37 GMT

Darthvader66: /* Remarks */

[[Image:KoT People.PNG|thumb|right|220px|Homestar explains it to everybody]]

'''The King of Town DVD''' is a DVD-style update of an older King of Town cartoon. It includes commentary by [[Strong Bad]], storyboards and the old version. In the toon, the King of Town sends Homestar and Pom Pom to investigate the whereabouts of his sheep.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|The King of Town}}, [[The King of Town's Sheep]], [[The Sheep-Eating Dragon]], {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|Pom Pom}}, [[The Blacksmith]], {{Film|The Poopsmith}}, [[The Little Chef Guy]], [[The Bishop]], {{Film|The Knight}}, {{Film|The Hornblower}}

'''Places:''' [[King of Town's Castle]]

'''Date:''' 2000

== Transcripts ==
{{KingofTownDVD}}

== Easter Eggs ==
*On the main DVD page, click on the mustache on the shield. After it moves aside, click on the brick that was under it to see the [[King of Town Intro]] and [[King of Town Main Page|Main Page]] that was used for April 1, 2003.

== Fun Facts ==

=== Trivia ===
*The colors of the King of Town's crown are reversed compared to his crown's color scheme in all of his subsequent appearances.
=== Remarks ===
[[Image:KoT's Mouth.PNG|thumb|KoT's mouth]]
*In the commentary, Strong Bad saying that Homestar probably can't read is incorrect, for Homestar shows his reading and writing skills in several places, including [[credit card]], [[anything]] and [[50 emails]]. Homestar's literacy is also tested in [[Arcade Game]] and [[Cool Things]].
*In the Olde version, we actually see the King of Town's mouth under the moustache when he belches.
*The storyboards depict the Poopsmith having a speaking part. Apparently, he was originally going to respond to Homestar's question with a simple "Nope". It also shows the second P in Poopsmith crossed out and replaced with an H, indicating that the Brothers Chaps may have initially renamed him the "Poohsmith", but this name isn't used anywhere else, suggesting the consideration to rename the character "Poohsmith" was abandoned altogether.

=== Inside References ===
*[[The Hornblower]] plays the [[Theme Song Video|Homestar Runner Theme Song]] on the horn to call Homestar.
*The King of Town's [[Answering Machine|answering machine]] is the same type that [[Marzipan]] uses in the first eight installments of [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]].

=== Real-World References ===
*The DVD menu theme is reminiscent of the theme from the [[Wikipedia:King's Quest|King's Quest]] games.

== DVD Contents ==

=== DVD Menu ===
*'''Page Title:''' The King of Town Special Edition DVD!!
*[[HR:kingmenu.html|view "The King of Town Special Edition DVD" menu]]
*[[HR:kingmenu.swf|view the Flash file for "The King of Town Special Edition DVD" menu]]

=== New Version ===
*'''Page Title:''' The King of Town
*[[HR:kingoftown2.html|watch the new version]]
*[[HR:kingoftown2.swf|view the Flash file for new version]]

=== Storyboards ===
*'''Page Title:''' King of Town Storyboards
*[[HR:kingboard1.html|view the storyboards]]

=== New Version with Commentary ===
*'''Page Title:''' The King of Town Common Tation
*[[HR:kingcomment.html|watch the commentary]]
*[[HR:kingcomment.swf|view the Flash file for the commentary]]
*[[HR:sb_kingcomment.swf|hear the alternate version of the commentary]]

=== Olde Version ===
*'''Page Title:''' The King of Town
*[[HR:kingoftown.html|watch the olde version]]
*[[HR:fooloftown.swf|view the Flash file for the olde version]]

[[Category: The King of Town DVD]]

User:Darthvader66

Darthvader66 — Fri, 30 Dec 2005 17:04:32 GMT

Darthvader66: /* Forum */

Talk:Teen Girl Squad

Darthvader66 — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:48:49 GMT

Darthvader66: /* "Back" Button */

{{featuredarticle}}

Ok, let's all start to....

:Do you think we should link this page to the [[404'd]] page somehow? I think it belongs somewhere on this page, but I'm not quite sure where...
[[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|<=>Thunderbird<=>]]</tt>'']] 23:51, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)

::Done. Though it could probably use some work... →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

I like the movement of the pictures too. Especially since most pages are like that. (Why didn't I think of that...?)
[[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|<=>Thunderbird<=>]]</tt>'']] 20:54, 6 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Because I'm smarter than you. :) →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

::True, true... [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|<=>Thunderbird<=>]]</tt>'']] 20:57, 6 Mar 2005 (MST)

==Almost Teen Girl Squads==

There are already three of them under the 'Fun Facts', we have a section for Strong Bad Email, so why not Teen Girl Squad? ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|<=>Thunderbird<=>]]</tt>'' 15:29, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)

:I just added in the "Sample" under issues and left the 404 page and virus appearance as is. IMO, "Sample" is more of a partial-issue and and virus is just a reference (it's only one line...). Having Sample as a "half-issue" of TGS makes sense to me, but not virus or the 404 page. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 16:04, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)

::But remember, some of the "Not Quite Strong Bad Emails" have only one line or so as a reference, like Fan Costume Commentary. -- [[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 22:36, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::And I don't think that they count as "Not Quite Strong Bad Emails" either, but I think I'm in the minority there. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 00:08, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==Funky Friends==

Teen Girl Squad seem to be a parody of Funky Friends (A girly fad). I once saw a comic about them that was very similar to Episode 3. One of the girls even looks like What's-Her-Face.

Although the concept of everybody dying is absent, TGS reminds me of Girl Squad from an episode of Dexter's Lab, wherein a bunch of girls would do stupid stuff because they thought they were fighting crime.

== Too biographical? ==

Do we need so much info on the TGS' character pages? (i.e. stuff that happened in one toon) Shouldn't we stick with the general stuff? And seriously, dump "Cheerleader/What's Her Face/The Ugly One's real name is either Virginia, Joy, or Jennifer"; the names given [[comic]] are likely to be never used again. --[[User:Trogga|TROGGA!]] 02:34, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

:I think the more information that we can get (besides obvious stuff, like, "Cheerleader starts with 'C'") the better. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

[[wikipedia:Whatever_Happened_to_Robot_Jones|Whatever happened to]] [[HRWiki:Once And Only Once|Once And Only Once]]? --[[User:Trogga|TROGGA!]] 03:19, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

::To chime in with my two cents: I don't agree fully with either of you (I just have to be belligerent, huh? ;) ). Trogga: I think you take Once and Only Once far too seriously. It's okay if some information is duplicated, as long as it is duplicated appropriately. By your standards, there wouldn't be any character pages, because everything about the characters can logically be found in the various Toon pages... Firebird: The TGS character pages do seem a bit too cluttery to me. I think that character pages really should be about general character traits. The "hurt by" lists seem a bit excessive to me, especially as more TGS's appear... it would be like putting Strong Bad's email songs all listed on Strong Bad's character page... <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 03:24, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

:::I say we reword and brush out all the little stuff in the biography, and keep the "Hurt By" sections. This way the bio looks clean and all the things in it can go into "Hurt By". Make sense? (I'm sure it doesn't.) →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

::::That sounds aprettypretty good. The "hurt by" lists are fine if you don't have the same stuff written up in the biographical paragraph (which is how it is now). <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 03:32, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

I think that it only seems cluttered (even to me) because there aren't as many toons that they are in. That means that if you like them, you will watch the same things over again and if you want more information, you turn here. But since you have allready seen everything, it seems a bit repetitive.

== StereoTypes!!!! ==

Don't the TGS members look a lot like high school stereotypes? -Kinsey
:I believe that is the POINT of the whole comic. --[[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 18:46, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
:Slightly obvious, but true

== its vs. it's - Running gag status? ==

''On the closing screen, the contraction "it's" is misspelled as the possessive "its."''

Is this a running gag or a goof? Please make your statements in the proper area below.

'''Arguments for Running gag:'''
*Obviously not every running gag appears in every issue; The Birds are a running gag too, and only appear in some issues. The fact that it happens four non-consecutive times argues against it being accidental, but I think it should be noted in some way.
*The fact that it's repeated 4 times--but not every time--increases its import.

'''Arguments for Goof:'''
*Also, it represents a grammar error on Strong Bad's part, which we tend to point out since he's so picky with other people.
*If it's a gag, then why come it doesn't happen every issue?
*The TGS font does't include apostrophes. Everytime TBC want to use one, they have to manually add it in. I guess it's not always worth the effort. Even Whats Her Face is missing an apostrophe. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}
**I think it's just them being lazy. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 19:58, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
*It's just an accident that has happened to occur multiple times. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 19:26, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
*Mike has admitted that he has trouble with its/it's. [[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 19:40, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
*I think they're sometimes just lazy with this... but a lazy goof is still a goof. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:45, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
*It is a simple gramatical error. Nothing more, nothing less. Come ''on'' people! {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 21:14, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)

'''Additional comments:'''
*Either way, it gets listed. Both goofs and running gags are automatically noted. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:34, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== Color vs. Black & White ==
For character pages, should we update the images with the color versions, where appropiate? Or should we just leave as is? Or should we put up a color image along with the black-and-white one? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 15:53, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

:Like [[Strong Bad|many]] [[Homestar Runner|other]] [[Strong Mad|pages]], I believe we should have ''both'' versions on the TGS character pages. {{User:gwr2004/sig}} 00:16, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

== Capitalization ==
Okay guys, what's our policy on transcribing the TG's dialogue, with regard to capitalization? I mean, they don't capitalize ''anything''; we go as far as capitalizing the first letters of sentences for them. But shouldn't "it's our tenth issuev-ersary" '''not''' transcribe as "Issue-versary"? —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 00:05, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

== Real-World Reference? ==

The TGS' refrain, "SO GOOD!" is the name of a song in the Bratz Rock Angelz Album. Ironically, the Bratz resemble the same teen girl stereotype:fashion-obsessed, trendy girls. Should this be mentioned?(By the way, the only reason I know this is because I was clicking "Random Page" on Wikipedia and stumbled apon it. I don't play with Bratz!) [[User:Llamanade|Llamanade]] 03:49, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
:Depending on when the Bratz CD came out, it's more likely a [[Sightings|sighting]], if it's anything. I.e. if it was after Dec. 2, 2002. But it's most likely a coincidence; James Brown's hit [[Wikipedia:I Got You {I Feel Good)|]] also features those words prominently, but that doesn't make this a reference to that. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:04, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

== "er" vs "a" ==

Anybody else find it a bit odd how the girls say their "er" suffixes as "a"? For example, see [[Olda Boys]]. Does anyone else think this is important enough to warrant some mention on the Wiki? --[User:breadtangle breadtangle] ([User_talk:breadtangle talk]) 02:38, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

==See Also vs Navigation Template==

Do we really need "See Also" if we have the navigation template at the bottom of the page with many of the links already there? And if it isn't in the template, shouldn't it be? I think the template is enough, using "See Also" only in instances where there is no Temlate, yet there is still a distinct link between no more than 2 or 3 pages. Good examples are [[Floppy Disk Container]] ⇔ [[Couch Mumbling]], and [[Quote of the Week]] ⇔ [[Weekly Fanstuff]] ⇔ [[Sketchbook]]. And then of course disambiguation is used only when the pages have similar page names. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:35, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

=="Back" Button==

Is it worth mentioning that in some issues the back button will bring you to the toons menu and in other issues it will bring you back to the TGS issue menu thing?

[[User:Darthvader66|Darthvader66]] 12:48, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Talk:Teen Girl Squad

Darthvader66 — Wed, 21 Dec 2005 12:48:32 GMT

Darthvader66:

monument

Darthvader66 — Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:17:50 GMT

Darthvader66: /* Goofs */

[[Image:sbemail97.png|thumb|"On a massive scale that would rival the Aztecs"]]

'''Strong Bad Email #97'''

Strong Bad is asked to create a monument in his own image. He goes on to explain how the arrival of the Thnikkaman distracted him and prevented the completion of the monument.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|The Cheat}}, {{Film|Bubs}}/[[The Thnikkaman]], {{Film|Homestar Runner}} (Easter egg)

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Strongbadia]], [[The Field]]

'''Computer:''' [[Compy 386]]

'''Date:''' February 9, 2004

'''Running Time:''' 2:06

== Transcript ==
'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' Oh, traipsing along, traipsing traipsing along, and a email got stuck in my eye.

''{reading}''

<blockquote class="compy email">Hey there Strong Bad! 
I was thinking since so many people 
and ladies think you're SUPER COOL, 
why not build a monument to yourself 
for all to enjoy? 
 
Another fan, 
Kaitlin G.</blockquote>

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' I'm assuming the G stands for generally overused girl's first name. Well generic name, you're really onto something here. Turns out I AM super cool. ''{He clears his throat.}'' As for monuments, I already got one. But it's kinda ''{He clears the screen and continues typing.}'' only of my right foot. You might know it better as DUN DUN DAAA: The Strongbadia Sign!

''{Cut to the [[Stop Sign]], then to a picture of Strong Bad. As he narrates, a diagram of the monument is built.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' Yeah, there were big plans once. It was to be made of the finest materials. On a massive scale that would rival the Aztecs and their...techno-chocolate land.

''{Cut back to [[Compy 386]].}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Anyways, we lost our funding or public interest waned or something distracted me. Man, what was it? What could possibly have distracted me from ''{mumbling}'' humbera hum...

''{Cut to Strong Badia, where Strong Bad and The Cheat are building the monument.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh yeah, The Cheat. That totally looks like my right foot. It's got all the rightness of a foot without all the footdom of a right.

'''UNSEEN CHORUS:''' ''{singing}'' Here comes the Thnikkaman!!! ''{These words float across the screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' No way! Check it out The Cheat. ''{Strong Bad looks and points off-screen.}'' It's the Thnikkaman!! ''{Strong Bad and The Cheat run to meet the Thnikkaman, who is obviously Bubs wearing sunglasses and a "TH" sign taped to his chest.}'' Hey, Thnikkaman!

'''THNIKKAMAN:''' Hey, kid!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Can we have some?

'''THNIKKAMAN:''' Yeah, okay.

'''STRONG BAD and THE CHEAT (in Cheat-speak):''' Thanks, Thnikkaman!

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{He says this in a low voice, perhaps translating for The Cheat.}'' Thanks, Thnikkaman.

'''THNIKKAMAN:''' Yeah. ''{takes off his sunglasses}'' Shut up, kid!

'''UNSEEN CHORUS:''' ''{singing}'' There goes the Thnikkaman!!! ''{Now these words float across the screen. Strong Bad and The Cheat look at each other, Strong Bad's mouth is agape.}''

''{Thnikkaman exits. Cut back to Compy 386.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' So you can see why I got distracted. I'd like to see you stay on task when you're starin' down the barrel of a loaded Thnikkaman. I don't care what you're doin. No one can resist. ''{not typing}'' Speakin' of monuments, somebody should make one to the Thnikkaman. Oh the things that man does! Come to think of it, what exactly ''does'' that man do? ''{typing again}'' Anyways, I'm gonna go try and find some of that Technochocolate. That stuff sounds a-prettypretty good!

''{Strong Bad gets up from his seat and leaves. [[The Paper]] comes down.}''

== Easter Eggs ==
*Click on "Thnikkaman" at the end to see Bubs in his Thnikkaman costume with a flashy background dancing to the Thnikkaman theme song.
:'''UNSEEN CHORUS:''' ''{singing}'' ''{Bubs walks to the left}'' Here comes the Thnikka— ''{Bubs walks to the right.}'' There goes the Thnikka— ''{Bubs walks to the left.}'' Here comes the Thnikka— ''{Bubs walks to the right.}'' There goes the Thnikka— ''{Bubs walks to the left.}'' Here comes the Thnikkaman!
:'''THNIKKAMAN:''' ''{faces camera and removes sunglasses}'' Yeah, shut up, kid!
*Click on "I don't care what you're doing" at the end to see Homestar Runner being distracted by the Thnikkaman.
:''{Cut to the field. Homestar Runner is holding a pair of trousers.}''
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Well, I'll just, uh, put these pants on—
:'''UNSEEN CHORUS:''' ''{singing}'' Here comes the Thnikkaman!
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh, Thnikkaman. It's the Thnikkaman.
:''{He drops the trousers and runs off to the left.}''
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{He pokes his head back onscreen, singing.}'' Here comes the Thnikkaman!
*Click on "technochocolate" at the end to hear Strong Bad and The Cheat do a chocolate version of Techno. The Cheat throws a one-man lightswitch rave.

== Fun Facts ==
===Trivia===
*This email can be reached by typing [http://www.thnikkaman.com http://www.thnikkaman.com].

===Remarks===
*During the "technochocolate" Easter egg, the tiny sign above the lower light switch that The Cheat uses says: "The Cheat," as his switch in [[techno]] does.
*When Homestar is about to put on the pants, his legs are placed in the wrong place.

===Goofs===
*Strong Bad forgets the period after "distracted" near the end when he says, "So you can see why I got distracted".
*The Enter-sound when Strong Bad cuts the e-mail away to answer it does not play completely. It has a dead end.
*Strong Bad doesn't put a comma after the word "Well" near the start.

===Inside References===
*Some of the things composing Strong Bad's monument are from other toons: the "Pie Factory" is from [[stunt double]], the palm tree is from [[island]], and the toilet paper and the fake afro (from Homestar's John McEnroe costume) are from [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]].

*The fact that Homestar is attempting to put on [[Homestar's Pants|pants]] and then, after being distracted, doesn't put them on, is in reference to the ongoing joke about Homestar not wearing any pants (which is discussed in [[long pants]]).

===Real-World References===
*Techno-chocolate-land is an attempt to pronounce [[Wikipedia:Tenochtitlan|Tenochtitlan]], the capitol city and religious center of the ancient [[Wikipedia:Aztec|Aztecs]] (actually pronounced teh-nohtch-tee-TLAHN), built where [[Wikipedia:Mexico City|Mexico City]] is today. The inclusion of "chocolate" in the mispronunciation may be due to the fact that the Aztecs are often credited for the "discovery" of chocolate.
*[http://www.biggreenegg.com Big Green Egg] is a combination ceramic barbecue/meat smoker.
*[[Wikipedia:Blow Pops|Blow Pops]] are lollipops with a center of bubblegum, made by the Charms candy company (now owned by [[Wikipedia:Tootsie Roll Industries|Tootsie Roll Industries]]).

===Fast Forward===
*Technochocolate reappears in [[extra plug]], [[rock opera]], and [[geddup noise]] as a [[Club Technochocolate|club]].

== External Links ==
*[[HR:sbemail97.html|watch "monument"]]
*[[HR:sbemail97.swf|view the Flash file for "monument"]]

{{Strong Bad Email}}
[[Category:Compy 386 Emails]]

monument

Darthvader66 — Mon, 19 Dec 2005 11:16:36 GMT

Darthvader66: /* Transcript */

[[Image:sbemail97.png|thumb|"On a massive scale that would rival the Aztecs"]]

'''Strong Bad Email #97'''

Strong Bad is asked to create a monument in his own image. He goes on to explain how the arrival of the Thnikkaman distracted him and prevented the completion of the monument.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|The Cheat}}, {{Film|Bubs}}/[[The Thnikkaman]], {{Film|Homestar Runner}} (Easter egg)

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Strongbadia]], [[The Field]]

'''Computer:''' [[Compy 386]]

'''Date:''' February 9, 2004

'''Running Time:''' 2:06

== Transcript ==
'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' Oh, traipsing along, traipsing traipsing along, and a email got stuck in my eye.

''{reading}''

<blockquote class="compy email">Hey there Strong Bad! 
I was thinking since so many people 
and ladies think you're SUPER COOL, 
why not build a monument to yourself 
for all to enjoy? 
 
Another fan, 
Kaitlin G.</blockquote>

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' I'm assuming the G stands for generally overused girl's first name. Well generic name, you're really onto something here. Turns out I AM super cool. ''{He clears his throat.}'' As for monuments, I already got one. But it's kinda ''{He clears the screen and continues typing.}'' only of my right foot. You might know it better as DUN DUN DAAA: The Strongbadia Sign!

''{Cut to the [[Stop Sign]], then to a picture of Strong Bad. As he narrates, a diagram of the monument is built.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' Yeah, there were big plans once. It was to be made of the finest materials. On a massive scale that would rival the Aztecs and their...techno-chocolate land.

''{Cut back to [[Compy 386]].}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Anyways, we lost our funding or public interest waned or something distracted me. Man, what was it? What could possibly have distracted me from ''{mumbling}'' humbera hum...

''{Cut to Strong Badia, where Strong Bad and The Cheat are building the monument.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh yeah, The Cheat. That totally looks like my right foot. It's got all the rightness of a foot without all the footdom of a right.

'''UNSEEN CHORUS:''' ''{singing}'' Here comes the Thnikkaman!!! ''{These words float across the screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' No way! Check it out The Cheat. ''{Strong Bad looks and points off-screen.}'' It's the Thnikkaman!! ''{Strong Bad and The Cheat run to meet the Thnikkaman, who is obviously Bubs wearing sunglasses and a "TH" sign taped to his chest.}'' Hey, Thnikkaman!

'''THNIKKAMAN:''' Hey, kid!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Can we have some?

'''THNIKKAMAN:''' Yeah, okay.

'''STRONG BAD and THE CHEAT (in Cheat-speak):''' Thanks, Thnikkaman!

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{He says this in a low voice, perhaps translating for The Cheat.}'' Thanks, Thnikkaman.

'''THNIKKAMAN:''' Yeah. ''{takes off his sunglasses}'' Shut up, kid!

'''UNSEEN CHORUS:''' ''{singing}'' There goes the Thnikkaman!!! ''{Now these words float across the screen. Strong Bad and The Cheat look at each other, Strong Bad's mouth is agape.}''

''{Thnikkaman exits. Cut back to Compy 386.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' So you can see why I got distracted. I'd like to see you stay on task when you're starin' down the barrel of a loaded Thnikkaman. I don't care what you're doin. No one can resist. ''{not typing}'' Speakin' of monuments, somebody should make one to the Thnikkaman. Oh the things that man does! Come to think of it, what exactly ''does'' that man do? ''{typing again}'' Anyways, I'm gonna go try and find some of that Technochocolate. That stuff sounds a-prettypretty good!

''{Strong Bad gets up from his seat and leaves. [[The Paper]] comes down.}''

== Easter Eggs ==
*Click on "Thnikkaman" at the end to see Bubs in his Thnikkaman costume with a flashy background dancing to the Thnikkaman theme song.
:'''UNSEEN CHORUS:''' ''{singing}'' ''{Bubs walks to the left}'' Here comes the Thnikka— ''{Bubs walks to the right.}'' There goes the Thnikka— ''{Bubs walks to the left.}'' Here comes the Thnikka— ''{Bubs walks to the right.}'' There goes the Thnikka— ''{Bubs walks to the left.}'' Here comes the Thnikkaman!
:'''THNIKKAMAN:''' ''{faces camera and removes sunglasses}'' Yeah, shut up, kid!
*Click on "I don't care what you're doing" at the end to see Homestar Runner being distracted by the Thnikkaman.
:''{Cut to the field. Homestar Runner is holding a pair of trousers.}''
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Well, I'll just, uh, put these pants on—
:'''UNSEEN CHORUS:''' ''{singing}'' Here comes the Thnikkaman!
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh, Thnikkaman. It's the Thnikkaman.
:''{He drops the trousers and runs off to the left.}''
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{He pokes his head back onscreen, singing.}'' Here comes the Thnikkaman!
*Click on "technochocolate" at the end to hear Strong Bad and The Cheat do a chocolate version of Techno. The Cheat throws a one-man lightswitch rave.

== Fun Facts ==
===Trivia===
*This email can be reached by typing [http://www.thnikkaman.com http://www.thnikkaman.com].

===Remarks===
*During the "technochocolate" Easter egg, the tiny sign above the lower light switch that The Cheat uses says: "The Cheat," as his switch in [[techno]] does.
*When Homestar is about to put on the pants, his legs are placed in the wrong place.

===Goofs===
*Strong Bad forgets the period after "distracted" near the end when he says, "So you can see why I got distracted".
*The Enter-sound when Strong Bad cuts the e-mail away to answer it does not play completely. It has a dead end.

===Inside References===
*Some of the things composing Strong Bad's monument are from other toons: the "Pie Factory" is from [[stunt double]], the palm tree is from [[island]], and the toilet paper and the fake afro (from Homestar's John McEnroe costume) are from [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]].

*The fact that Homestar is attempting to put on [[Homestar's Pants|pants]] and then, after being distracted, doesn't put them on, is in reference to the ongoing joke about Homestar not wearing any pants (which is discussed in [[long pants]]).

===Real-World References===
*Techno-chocolate-land is an attempt to pronounce [[Wikipedia:Tenochtitlan|Tenochtitlan]], the capitol city and religious center of the ancient [[Wikipedia:Aztec|Aztecs]] (actually pronounced teh-nohtch-tee-TLAHN), built where [[Wikipedia:Mexico City|Mexico City]] is today. The inclusion of "chocolate" in the mispronunciation may be due to the fact that the Aztecs are often credited for the "discovery" of chocolate.
*[http://www.biggreenegg.com Big Green Egg] is a combination ceramic barbecue/meat smoker.
*[[Wikipedia:Blow Pops|Blow Pops]] are lollipops with a center of bubblegum, made by the Charms candy company (now owned by [[Wikipedia:Tootsie Roll Industries|Tootsie Roll Industries]]).

===Fast Forward===
*Technochocolate reappears in [[extra plug]], [[rock opera]], and [[geddup noise]] as a [[Club Technochocolate|club]].

== External Links ==
*[[HR:sbemail97.html|watch "monument"]]
*[[HR:sbemail97.swf|view the Flash file for "monument"]]

{{Strong Bad Email}}
[[Category:Compy 386 Emails]]

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Umm... why is this just a blank page?[[User:Darthvader66|Darthvader66]] 01:45, 19 December 2005 (UTC)
:Because no one's written up the transcript yet. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

Talk:Here's How We Made It

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== Is It Just My Imagination? ==
Should we add in Trivia that this came out on 12/04 when the site said that it was updated 12/05? Or was it just my imagination that it did that? lol--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 04:39, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:No, I saw that too. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 04:55, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

::I think it fits more in the area of a remark. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 18:59, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

:::The reason it's trivia is that it has to do with circumstances surrounding the toon rather than the toon itself. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:15, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

== Strong Mad's line? ==

I personally hear that Strong Mad would be saying "I'll wait for you", instead of "I went for you", but that might be just me. --[[User:Ramblin' Wreck of Spelling Check|RWoSC]] 04:50, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:Me too. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 04:55, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::I think it's "I WENT FOR YOU!" It fits better in context. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::I distinctly hear "i'll wait for you". Thats what I changed it to. Soryy if I wasnt s'posed to. {{User:Salty/sig}} 05:00, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I hear '''wait'''. But that's on the first hear. I'll check it out next time I watch the toon. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 05:01, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
I heard something else the first time, but the second time I heard "wait", as in, Strong Mad will wait for Strong Bad if he's thrown in jail, or something (it doesn't make a lot of sense either way). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:10, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:Now that I hear it again, I hear "I'd wait for you", not I'll wait fopr you. {{User:Salty/sig}} 05:11, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::I hear "I'll" over "I'd". (But it ''is'' hard to tell.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:14, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I uploaded a slowed-down version. It sounds very much like "I'd wait for you." It makes sense in context. SB: "I'd go to jail." SM: "I'd wait for you." http://www.crapware.com/smwait.mp3
::::Yeah I ''definitely'' hear wait. However, I don't hear a "d" sound, which makes me beleive that it's ''I'll'' rather than ''I'd''. I'm almost certain it's ''I'll''. ''I'll'' makes more sense, since he's saying "ok i'll wait for you when you get back from jail." As if it's definitive that he's going. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 07:06, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I also hear "I'll wait for you." and the line makes lots of sense: this is what wives and girlfriends are supposed to say when their guys get caught red-handed by the police. The joke is two-fold: (1) SM will do this feminine thing for SB; (2) SM misunderstands SB's hypothetical as a definite outcome, hence "I'll" rather than "I'd"[[User:Henebry|Henebry]]

:<s>Actually, I hear "I'll work for you!"</s> {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 16:54, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

::How much do you want to bet the next Quote of the Week will be this exact line? {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 20:56, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:::Fifteen dollars and tooty-two cents. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]

Here we go again: [[Media:Portrait Strongmad.ogg|Listen to him talk!]]
:Even with this new item, I distinctly hear a T sound at the end of the word beginning with W. It's still went in my book. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Well, both the words "Went" and "Wait" have a T sound at the end. :) What I hear, phonetically, is "ALL WET FOR YOU!" - considering Strong Mad's speech style, that's more likely to be "I'LL WAIT FOR YOU" than "I WENT FOR YOU". {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 21:49, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:I just think "I'd" would make more sense, not "I'll". "I'd go to jail", "I'd wait for you". "I'll" would make much less sense, and I definitely hear the D. --{{User:Salty/sig}} 23:58, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
POLL:
If you hear "wait" sign here:
#{{User:Bubsty/sig}}
#{{User:Salty/sig}} 05:11, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
#{{User:Joshua/sig}}
#[[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] [[Image:heimstern101.gif|22px]]
#{{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}}
#{{User:E.L. Cool/sig}}
#--[[User:Stux|Stux]]
#{{User:Jay/sig}}
#{{User:djm1791/sig2}}
#{{User:Bill Martinson/sig}}
#[[User:Henebry|Henebry]]
#--[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]] (sorry Dorian!)
#{{User:KieferSkunk/sig}}
#--[[User:StrongBaditude|StrongBaditude]]
# -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 15:06, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
# - [[User: Kiwi|Kiwi]]
If you hear "went" sign here:
#[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::judging by my quickly-made poll, I think "wait" is the majority. Sorry Dorian. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:15, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

POLL: If you believe the phrase is "I'd wait for you", vote here:
# {{User:Salty/sig}} 03:03, 6 December 2005 (UTC) It's gotta be.
#{{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} This is turning into STUFF rather quickly, ain't it?

If you believe the phrase is "I'll wait for you", vote here:
# -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 15:06, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
# {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}}
#--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:48, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
#{{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 21:12, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Well ... here's another. I thought I just heard SM say "I'd work for you" or "I'll work for you." After all, SB did say he'd *hire* a 5 year old. Ima listen again, though. -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 17:51, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:Nah, I hear a T sound at the end. {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:24, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

I betcha that, when it's put as a QOTW, it'll be something nobody even heard, like at all... --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]

Let's go easy on the polls too, i think it's pretty clear most people hear "wait", and the only other important one left is this one, "I'd" vs "I'll". Everything else is quite audible. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:48, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

== Firebert ==

Do we want Firebert listed in the cast list? I added him before, but was it removede for a reason? Is that even Firebert or just The Cheat in black? {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 04:55, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:Doesn't quite look like Firebert to me. Note the text shirt and the mask. It's a cat burglar The Cheat, not Firebert. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Yep. Another Other Costume. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 04:59, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Definately not firebert. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:08, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::::Yeah I *just* noticed the discussion. I was just re-reverting some changes that apparently got lost in the meelee. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:09, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

== What Place? ==
Should we make a name for that room with the portrait and unicorn thing? I think it might be in homestar's house, with the moose lamp. {{User:Salty/sig}} 05:12, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:Or it could be in a trailer, like SB said. Makes sense, 'cause the place looks "trailer-like." {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:16, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::I think the trailer room may just be imaginary a place made up specifically for this Sbemail and has no real owner. Though I could be wrong, my second guess would be that its Homestar's Den, and my third guess being Strong Bad's Den, with stolen property from Homestar's Den. Either way, it looks like a Den. [[User:Veluet|Veluet]] 15:36, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I don't think it's Homestar's house, and I don't think the voice we hear is the voice of Homestar. I don't think I've ever heard him sound like that. The whole thing appears to be a doublewide trailer of some nobody who has a speech impediment that is slightly reminiscent of Homestar's. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:11, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::::It reminds me of the basement in SB's main page to me, what with the unicorn poster. Anyway, add it as "The Trailer" or whatever to "Places Strong Bad has made up". --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
:::::The voice is a reference to [[caper]], where Homestar, in that voice (because it's early in the morning, and he's groggy), says "thanks for breaking my cow lamp." I can't decide whether it's a trailer or a den. It looks like a trailer, but why would Homestar's mayching lamp be there? --{{User:Salty/sig}} 00:01, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::Hello, gentlemen?! Homestar doesn't ''have'' a moose lamp. This is an imaginary reality, ''if'' Homestar lived in a trailer and had black-velvet and blacklight posters on his wall which he threw beer bottles at. It's a place Strong Bad made up (though I don't think it should actually go in [[Places Strong Bad Made Up]]; it's not... place-like enough for that). —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:38, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::::If he can have a cow lamp, he can have a moose lamp. {{User:Salty/sig}} 02:19, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::Considering the walls looks similar to Strong bads room, and that poster was in there on the main page for his room, isn;t it safe to say it's the same place? Darthvader66 Dec. 9, 2:21 AM
:::::::I don't know, [[Places Strong Bad Made Up]] has several one-timers listed. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:52, 9 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::And, upon checking, it's not his room. The posters were similar, but not the same. And especially the walls: they're very different. Doesn't look very much like it at all. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::::Ok, well I changed one of the inside refrences things to incluse the word similar (seeing as how that's what threw me off). [[User:Darthvader66|Darthvader66]] 06:30, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

== Hyphens or no? ==

I'm seeing a couple different spellings of a new word: "keyswordtar" and "key-sword-tar". Which should we use? I'm all for using compounds rather than hyphens (but that's what you'd expect for a German-speaker). What do y'all think? [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] [[Image:heimstern101.gif|22px]] 06:00, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
: Whichever one we use, we should be consistent, as we are currently not. I like the hyphens myself but don't care enough one way or the other, so long as we're consistent. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:02, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::I originally transcribed it ''with'' the hyphens because he seemed to be inventing a word and emphasizing each syllable in a tmesis similar to "fan-freaking-tastic". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:03, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Well, I'm not sure I hear it that way, but I'm fine with standardizing that way anyway, since both you and Jay seem to like it that way. (Too many clauses that ended in "way"!) [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] [[Image:heimstern101.gif|22px]] 06:14, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
I vote hyphens. {{User:Salty/sig}} 00:03, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::::I way like the hyphens way.     (Yay!) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:39, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
I key-vote-tar for hyphens as well. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:01, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Me too... it isn't really a compound anyway... it's just a word stuck through another word. If it was keyboardswordguitar then I guess. [[User:Qduk|Qduk]] 23:46, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

== Shellbra- Zelda? ==

I was watching the email and heard strong bad refer to "Princess Shellbra" and it made me think about the Legend of Zelda character Princess Zelda, I think you can tell why. I looked on the Wiki page, but it wasn't there. should we add it, or no?

:I don't think so. too broad. and sign your posts--{{User:Benol/sig}} 12:23, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah. It's a little of a stretch. -[[User:Grabboarm700|Grabboarm700]]

:::Definitely not. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

If this is a reference to anything, I'd think it'd be a reference to [[Wikipedia:The Little Mermaid|The Little Mermaid]]. Mermaids wearing shells over their chests is nothing new, but Disney popularized that style in this movie. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:32, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:I don't consider it a reference to anything. {{User:Salty/sig}} 00:04, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Speaking of good ol' Shellbra, did anybody else catch this- Shellbra. Shell Bra. As in, shells for a... well... --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
::I think pretty much everyone noticed that. But it's definately not a Zelda referance. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:18, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

:::Oh, I know that... I'm just saying, is all... I didn't catch it at first, so... yeah... --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
::::Wow. {{User:Salty/sig}} 05:10, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

== Star Wars? ==

I noticed that the picture Strong Bad drew/made at the end has a robot foot. Would this be a reference to Star Wars, or is it a stretch? -[[User:Grabboarm700|Grabboarm700]]

:Big stretch. — [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 16:20, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

::Robot foot? That reminds me of one of the characters from the Sonic the Hedgehog comic series - a partially-roboticized rabbit (forgot her name). That said, big stretch. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 16:57, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::For reference, her name, I believe, was Bunny Rabbot. And it's very much a stretch. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::Ah, right, Bunnie Rabbot (spelled with an -ie, not a -y). Personally, despite the fact that I hated her voice, I really liked that character in the Sat-Am cartoon series (based on the comic). {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:34, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

it's obviously the [['Lectric Boots]]. they look tottaly like it. he would put it there cuase' he thought it was awesome.[[User:Jibney|Jibney]] 02:23, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:Nah, the robot foot he was wearing here was more square-er, and had spikes on it. --{{User:Salty/sig}} 02:26, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
::Strong Bad does seem to have an affinity for Robotic Footwear though, as evidence with the 'Lectric Boots and Stinkoman's Robot Boots. Even 1-up wears Robotic Boots, but that may just be a continuation of style. -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 18:18, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

== Cardboard or wood? ==

The transcript mentions that the cutout in the end is made from cardboard, but when seen from the back, it looks like its made from wooden planks. --[[User:Eytanz|Eytanz]] 14:52, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:Sounds like an inconsistency in the cartoon. [[User:Veluet|Veluet]] 15:39, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::No, the cartoon is fine. It's the wiki transcript that needs fixing. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 16:16, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I went ahead and changed it since no-one seemed to shout out a dissenting opinion. --[[User:Eytanz|Eytanz]] 22:23, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

== More than meets the eye ==

I noticed that the Optimus Prime reference has been removed in favor of a more broad definition (Notably, just Transformers). With all due respect, it IS Optimus' head up there, but did we not want to be that specific? Just a thought. -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}}
:Is that specifically Optimus Prime, though? Are there no other Transformers that have that head? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 17:27, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::As far as I can tell, it is the original Optimus Prime from the old show. The other Autobots had similar, but distinctly different heads, while the Decepticons had slightly more angles and "evil" looks on thier faces. Hasboro may have used the head on other characters action figures since then, and I haven't seen the newer shows enough to guarantee that it is the only Transformer ever to have used that particular head. Anyway, it was just a thought. -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}}
:::Personally, I agree with you on this one, and I went ahead and added it back in (as a more specific example of the general reference). I'm not all that familiar with the Transformers universe, though, and I suspect neither are many of the people who'll read the article. But Optimus Prime was the first character I thought of when I saw that head, so it's probably correct. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 17:47, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::::Cool, cool. Non-depressing, cool. I agree whole-heartedly. The only other thing that came to mind was the original Power Rangers from their Megazord, but after checking for some pictures, it's just not the same. I think Optimus would be proud, to, uh, be attached to a graffitti tank...
::::Thanks for taking the time. Catch you later. -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 17:57, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::Should we just put "most likely Optimus Prime"? Because there is a small chance it could be someone else. Just in case. {{User:Salty/sig}} 00:12, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::This is probably not Optimus Prime, partially because of the lack of antennae on his head, but most importantly because this robot has what appears to be a mouth, and Prime has a faceplate. Perhaps putting "such as Optimus Prime" or "like Optimus Prime" would be more suitable. -[[User:nova81426|Nova81426]]

If that's Optimus Prime, then I'm Bob Hope: it looks absolutely NOTHING like Optimus Prime's head, rather it looks like just a generic Transformer. For the record, I am a huge Transformers fan, and can isolate the following differences:
# Optimus has no visible mouth; he has a faceplate. This Transformer has a mouth.
# Optimus has a large vertical grilled box that dominates his forehead. This Transformer does not.
# Optimus has a pair of antenna-rod things on the sides of his head, where his ears would be. This Transformer does not.

Here's visible proof, even: 
[http://www.seibertron.com/toys/fullsize.php?id=1&size=1&image=86 Optimus Prime toy] 
[http://www.seibertron.com/images/cartoon/01/60/OptimusPrime498-01.jpg Optimus Prime cartoon]

I am 175% positive that is not Optimus Prime, or even intended to be Optimus Prime. Considering how the Brothers Chaps approach everything, if it was supposed to be Optimus, then they would have drawn it to look exactly like him. I'm sure that if you look around, you could isolate a Tranformer that matches it, if not at least a dozen, minimum (hell, I could even ask my brother, who keeps track of that kind of thing much more than I do). Because of that, I would say that it's just supposed to be a generic Transformer.

And no, it doesn't look a thing like Megatron, either. :P --[[User:Spanky The Dolphin|Spanky The Dolphin]] 08:36, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

:Well Mr. Hope, upon reviewing the pictures you provided, the painting looks even more like Optimus to me than it did before. The "mouth" you describe on this painting looks like nothing more than a dent in his faceplate, and not something that would be big enough to even be a mouth. His forehead piece may have been too complex for the Brothers Chaps to include in The Cheat's stencil, and the antenna-rod things you describe are only apparent in the action figure, and that appears to be a little stylized. In the cartoon, they look kind of small and uncool. It is possible TBC based this simple little drawing off only the cartoon, determining the horns took away from the leader of the Autobots. Or maybe the drew it like this to stimulate some debate for them to read and laugh at. Who knows? Anyway, the page doesn't state that it is absoultely Optimus, but maybe we ought to put this in the STUFF Vote section.

:-{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 15:00, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

::Okay, now yay-hoo has changed it to Starscream. Guess what? That's right, it doesn't look a damn thing like Starscream, either. If anyone, I would say that it looks like Hound than like anyone else, but I'm not, because I think it's supposed to be generic.

And Jeff, for the record, Prime's antenna-rod things were often prominant in the cartoon. It's just that a lot of times the cartoon wasn't drawn very well. Here's an example from the movie:

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Prime_dead.jpg The Death of Optimus]

And yes, that little dent is actually big enough to be a mouth. I'm frankly weary about putting it to a vote, simply due to the fact that it seeing the above makes me feel that there aren't very many people on this Wiki that are too familiar with Transformers.--[[User:Spanky The Dolphin|Spanky The Dolphin]] 16:41, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

: How about "reminiscent of Optimus Prime" as a compromise? {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:07, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[[Image:transformers.png|frame|[[portrait]], Optimus Prime, and Starscream]]
Someone keeps adding Starscream to the mix, but it is ''clearly'' not him. I see a vague similarity to Optimus, but the head ''is'' kinda generic. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:17, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah, I suppose that's good enough for me for the time being. --[[User:Spanky The Dolphin|Spanky The Dolphin]] 18:34, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I think the current phrasing ("the head resembles that of Optimus Prime") is good enough, but seeing these pictures side-by-side makes me think the earlier phrasing (where it just states "Transformers" and not a specific character) is the best way to go. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:42, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

:I think that ''(the head resembles that of Optimus Prime)'' has no place in this sentence. It does not resemble Optimus Prime anymore than the other Transformers. Anyone looking at that fact that did not know who Optimus was, would be mislead whereas anyone that know Optimus already know the reference is to the transformers. The stencil does not have anything horizontal to indicate the front mouthplate. If this was in STUFF I'd petition to have it removed for being '''patently false'''. I love Optimus, and he is perhaps the most well-known but the side-by-side comparison is compelling. I move to remove any specific refernce to Optimus. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:13, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::and as for the dent...no. It is and is supposed to be a mouth, let's not stoop to grasping at anything to make our case. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:15, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

::::Well then I'll just go ahead and change it to that, since I agree absolutely.--[[User:Spanky The Dolphin|Spanky The Dolphin]] 19:38, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I had never noticed that little sliver until I zoomed way in. It ''does'' look to me like there might be a nose and a mouth, which I suppose is where the Starscream connection comes from. I still think, however, that it's too generic to say it looks like anybody in particular. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:46, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I looked at a lot of pictures on an image search, and decided that I don't think it's Optimus. If anyone, I'd say Starscream, but not Optimus. Hound, maybe. I'd leave it as is, where it doesn't specify any names. I'd leave off the part about Newgrounds' promotional sticker, though. --{{User:Salty/sig}} 02:37, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
:Odd coincidence... I was looking for images on Optimus Prime and ran across [http://www.homestarrunner.com/weenstuff/weenstuff36.html this]. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:13, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

::Very well, I concede the point. Sorry about causing all the headaches, but at least we got a good discussion out of this. Even with all of the picture evidence, my brain still jumps straight to Optimus when I see that sticker, but I see now that it's my mistake. I shouldn't try to make a fact published material unless I can find people who agree. I see now that I should use the "talk" method for this rather than the "post-it-and-see-what-people-think" method. Thanks for proving me wrong and correcting the site Spanky. I'll never doubt your Transformer knowledge again! -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 18:15, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

:::No need to apologize. :) That's what this is all about. We encourage you to be '''bold''' in your editing, so if you think an article would be improved by saying it looks like Optimus Prime or Starscream or whoever, go ahead and make the change. Just don't be surprised if the majority disagrees - this is by nature a democratic site. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Now that I look at the comparison, the robotank looks a lot like Starscream. {{User:Salty/sig}} 16:10, 10 December 2005 (UTC)
::Yeah, I think it's Starscream too..
:::''Kind'' of, except the middle of the forehead is different, and the stencil is missing the pieces on the sides. Once again, it looks like a ''lot'' of Transformers, and you ''still'' can't tell what Homsar is saying in [[A Folky Tale]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:36, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

I dont think its any specific Transformer, but if I had to pick someone who matched the face, i'd go for [http://www.unicron.us/tf1985/cartoon/sludge1b.jpg Sludge], [http://www.unicron.us/tf1986/cartoon/swindle1.jpg Swindle] or [http://aworldtransformed.com/images/op25.jpg Optimal Optimus]. But personally I think its only meant to be a generic transformer/Robot Face, as found by the dozen in both 80s cartoons and animé. [[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]] 00:49, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
:Its like Starscream. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 00:52, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

== Not Homestar ==

I really don't think that's Homestar's voice in the moose lamp gag. I think it's just the unspecified trashy owner of the unspecified trashy trailer. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:13, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
: In fact, considering the accent and the fact that it's a moose, the voice ''might'' be a reference to Bob and Doug McKenzie. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:17, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:I think it is. He's supposed to sound sleepy. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:He sounds exactly the same way that he sounds in [[caper]], where he says almost exactly the same line. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:26, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::Agreed - that's Homestar. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:05, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Most assuredly Homestar. What he's doin' in a double wide I do *NOT* know! -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]]
::::Perhaps we were given a glimpse into the abode of Mustachioed HSR! -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 19:13, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Well okay, but if that's Homestar then it would seem we have to accept the following:
# Homestar owns or rents a "fancy" doublewide trailer.
# Homestar has a portrait of Strong Bad holding a skunk hanging in his doublewide.
# Homestar has a cool portrait of a unicorn on a snowmobile hanging in his doublewide.
# Homestar keeps Cold Ones in his trailer.
# Strong Bad is impressed by something Homestar owns (he speaks favorably of the trailer and both pieces of art).
# Strong Bad passes up the opportunity to comment on all this. Ordinarily, he would be outwardly upset at having to admit Homestar owns or has done something cool, and would either change his opinion about said coolness or comment that Homestar has no business owning such things. Or maybe fall into despondency.
Based on everything we know about both of these characters, it just doesn't make any sense to me. Best I can figure is that it's the real owner of the doublewide using a Homestar quote to fit the situation (which happens around my house all the time, especially when anything happens with anything that's blue). And the accent really isn't quite right at the end of the quote.

I'm happy to be proven wrong ... somebody make sense out of all the above for me, please.

{{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 19:42, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:If this is a place in Strong Bad's imagination, then we don't HAVE to accept any of these things as facts. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:44, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:: But where do you draw the line? All kinds of things that appear only in a Strong Bad Email are reported on the wiki as "facts" of Free Country USA.
:: And the question still remains ... even if this is just his imagination, '''why is Strong Bad imagining Homestar being cool?''' It's so out of character. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 20:01, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:: Uh, Bill ... I think you're over-brainin' this one. -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 19:53, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Agreed, same as the email where SB recalls emails that never really happened...ie Coach Z has neve been in a knife fight in the H*R universe, its was just SB high on soy sauce. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:56, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::::Sure, but your example doesn't create inconsistencies in the characters.
::::I'm not looking for perfect logic here; it ''is'' homestarrunner.com, after all! But it's hard to see TBC going so far outside the box consistency-wise for one little backreference. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 20:01, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::::: All right, how about this? Homestar was visiting someone who lives in a trailer, and he spent the night, and was so groggy he referred to it as "his" moose lamp when it really wasn't. Yes, I'm BSing a little, but ''was'' one little "backreference" whether it was Homestar saying it or not, and it sounded just like Homestar, so who are we to say otherwise? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:52, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:Jeez Bill, have you even watched [[caper]]? This is so completely obviously totally 100% surely Homestar! {{User:Salty/sig}} 00:16, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::I second Salty, that sounds A LOT like Homestar in caper. Here he says "Thanks for breaking my moose lamp." and in caper he says "Thanks for breaking my cow lamp.", it is a lot like it, so I think we need to just leave it as one of Homestar's Lines and have it be at Homestars house. I bet TBC just threw this in here for the very reason that weird people like us would argue about this, silly TBC. --StrongBaditude
::::: Breakin' lamps is an inside joke/running gag. The Cow Lamp in caper, The Cow Lamp again in garagle sale, now a moose lamp. It fits! {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:14, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Please see my [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:portrait&diff=211808&oldid=211771 comment] above, made before I had read this section. I've said it before, and this seems an appropriate place to say it again: things can reference multiple things. Thus this can be Homestar ''and'' Bob & Doug (though I really don't think they should get a Fun Fact). On the reality of what we're seeing, no, not everything we see in a sbemail is H*R-reality. (In fact I'd venture to say the ''majority'' of things we see are hypothetical!) We have the entire page [[Places Strong Bad Made Up]] as a result. This is one such place (although, as I said above, I don't think it should be added to the page). Strong Bad started hypothesizing about himself as a black velvet painting, then extended the speculation to the fact that it would hang in a double-wide; then as a nice touch we discover that the double-wide belongs to Trailer Homestar. Who carves things in walls (as opposed to [[Cool Things|painting them]]), sits around drinking cold ones, and chucks the bottles at the wall. (And, although the voice indicated grogginess in [[caper]], I think here it indicates the ravages of years of alcohol and hollerin' at his woman. Plus a current state of significant inebriation). Please do not, on the basis of these remarks, create a page for "Trailer Homestar" or the place. I simply offer them to ease Bill's character conflicts. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:19, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
: Wha-- where did all that come from?? --A weirded out {{User:Salty/sig}} 04:30, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::Abdiviklas is somewhat famous for replying in lengthly essays. Lengthly, but interesting. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 04:32, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::If you mean where'd the length come from, yeah, what Bubsty said. (I just started explaining, and felt it wouldn't be thoroughly explained until the point when I stopped.) If you mean where's the evidence for what I'm reading into it... I'm not sure I can explain it better without using even more words. Try watching the scene and then reading it again? —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 05:05, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I'm ready to let this one die, since I'm in a minority of one. I'll accept the voice as Homestar's, and just give up on trying to figure out why Strong Bad seems to be out of character. (And yes, I had seen [[caper]] before, and I did watch it again for comparison. I guess I just need to accept the fact that nothing I see in a sbemail counts as FCUSA "canon".) {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:14, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:Well, "nothing" is a pretty big word there. Let's just say you need to have several large grains of salt handy at all times. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:24, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::I don't really think it is Homestar; the voice was too deep. Then again, it could always be his shady drifter expression from [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]], which wasn't too long ago. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 19:04, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
No, it's surely his groggy voice. But Abdi, I meant I knew you liked long replies, but the alcoholic-trailer trash-yelling at his woman part, kinda frightened and confused me. No offense or anything, but I don't see how you derived all that from his tone of voice! {{User:Salty/sig}} 02:55, 7 December 2005 (UTC)!
:I think he derived a little from the cold one bottle hitting the lamp. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:Abdi was kidding- making a wild hypothesis and including trailer-trash stereotypes. Much like what Strong Bad was doing! But really, just because Homestar's voice wandered in at the opportune moment to reference Caper, that doesn't mean he owns the trailer or that the trailer exists. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 06:28, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

== Pointless and stupid, but... ==

I just had to say something about this... I wonder what TBC's inspiration for the picture with the skunk was. I seriously doubt it was either [[User:KieferSkunk|me]] or [[User:Skunk|Skunk]] here on the wiki, but that certainly would be cool if it was. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 01:08, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:Hm... maybe if Strong Bad catches a creature called a... "Bubsty," they could've modeled it after me! (C'mon TBC, do it do it do it!) {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:11, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::I dunno, I think a {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} would be an easy way to go. :) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 02:02, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I don't even use my user name, but I doubt TBC will ever put a Houdin in the show. (For the record, that's NOT Houdini with out the I it's Jean Eugene Robert-HOUDIN (say Hoo-dan), a French magician.) It'd be cool if they do though! -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 15:03, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::::TBC have already used my username {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:50, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::Technically, they used it before you did, though... ;) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::::I think that's what he means. ;) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
:::::::I wonder if I'll get any royalties if The Cheat's half brother, "The Chort", turned up... {{User:The Chort/sig}} 21:00, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::You'd only get royalties from Coach Z, but he's used all his money on the ''Great for baby'' items. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:51, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

== First Appearance? ==
Is this the first appearance of Homestars SAAB lighter? For some reason I think I've seen him with a lighter before.
:Homestar may have had a lighter, but it wasn't the saab. This is the first saab appearance. And please sign your posts StrongBaditude. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 02:09, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

== Some More Paint ==
This may be a stretch - that's why I'm not posting it yet - but I think "some more paint" may be a reference to the [http://www.benjaminmoore.com ''Benjamin Moore''] paint company, which is probably the most ubiquitous brand out there. -- [[User:Terlet Brush|Terlet Brush]] 14:59, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:I think you're kind of reaching there. IF it was spelled "Some Moore Paint," I'd concede the point, but I think TBC just put it there to have two different paint jars. Nice try though. -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 15:09, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::Yup. Despite its ubiquity, I've never heard of it, and I suspect most outside the painting industry would be in the same boat. (If you forced me to name a paint brand, I'd say the word "Sherwin" was involved somehow? And it has that logo of the world with red paint getting poured over it, you know?) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 16:44, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::When I think paint I think John Madden saying, "Ace is the place" for all your painting needs. We are definitely a society that is completely victim to: advertising. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:53, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Sherwin Williams doesn't make paint, but they sell it. {{User:Salty/sig}} 03:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

== Let there be lighter ==
It's true that Homestar's pulling out the Saab lighter in the Easter egg is similar to what the audience at a concert often does during slow songs, but it's hardly the first time that something like that has happened on the site... Does it need to be explained here? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:54, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:I still think mine was a usable explanation. You said it was hardly the first time it happened on the site. That is ''specifically'' why I think we need to keep it. Younger tweens watching the toon (or our wiki) may not know why Homestar pulled out the lighter; for all they know, he could've been trying to burn down Free, Country, USA! {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 20:07, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::I disagree. The real-world explanation for pulling out a lighter like this may be useful for people to know, but I think it's more important to point out that it's part of a running gag on the site, and perhaps explain the practice in the running gag page. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:59, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Now that you mention it, I think that this fun fact would fit in both locations (the article and the running gag page). {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 13:03, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
::::I'm not sure if y'all noticed it, but SAAB makes cars, just like BMW. Maybe that should be noted, the whole "The lighter, as per the running gag, is NORMALLY a BMW lighter, but in this email it is replaced with a SAAB lighter, and SAAB and BMW both make cars." as it's own, reworded fun fact. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
What Homestar did was a reference to the concert thing. I think we should put it on. {{User:Salty/sig}} 03:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
:Sounds like it's time to STUFF this item.
I just remembered, Strong Bad did the same thing in [[guitar]], and there they only mentioned it in the transcript. --{{User:Salty/sig}} 06:29, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

== Those stinkin umlauts... ==

*Should it be remarked that "Mästers" is pronounced incorrectly according to German grammar rules? (The reference was most likely German.)
-[[User: Kiwi|Kiwi]]
::We did it the first time Deutsch man was mentioned, when he mispronounced it, so we should have it here. {{User:Salty/sig}} 03:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

portrait

Darthvader66 — Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:28:34 GMT

Darthvader66: /* Inside References */

[[Image:Sbemail139.png|thumb|Done by a Deutsch Master]]

'''Strong Bad Email #139'''

Strong Bad tries to make a portrait of himself.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, [[Lord Quackingstick]], [[Strong Badman]] (Easter egg), {{Film|The Cheat}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|Strong Mad}}

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Strong Mad's Room]], [[Strong Bad's Basement]], [[The Field]] (Easter egg)

'''Computer:''' [[Lappy 486]]

'''Date:''' December 4, 2005

'''Running Time:''' 3:37
==Transcript==
'''STRONG BAD:''' Hey everybody, it's a musical Strong Bad Email this week! ''{presses enter}'' ''{singing}'' Da-doo doo doo Dear, Dear Strong Bad, oh I was wondering—''{stops singing}'' I can't keep this up.

<blockquote class="email"><div>subject: portrait</div>
Dear Strong Bad- 
I was wondering if you ever wanted to have somebody 
paint a portrait of  your greatness. 
guess what, it's- 
Dylan Bragers (aka Coolio da Fabio) 
Texas
</blockquote>

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Guess what? Nobody calls you Coolio da Fabio (aka quit making up nicknames for yourself.) ''[sic]'' I'm just gonna call you Dealin' Burgers, which I assume doubles as an accurate job description.

''{Clears screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Moving onwardly, I suppose my greatness is worthy of portraiture. Perhaps one done by a Deutsch Master.

''{Cut to a portrait of Strong Bad, in a long-haired wig, a beret, and a toga, holding a toy stick with a duck's head on the end. The painting is in a gold frame, with a museum placard beside it (see [[#Trivia|below]]).}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' The kind that are always getting stolen or vandalized by art bandits.

''{The Cheat appears from the top, wearing a black mask, skullcap, and a t-shirt reading "4rt b4ndit". He places a stencil over the painting and paints a "robotank", along with the words "RAD, RAD ROBOTANK", in pink spray paint.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{offscreen}'' Thanks little buddy; now it's worth something.

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{obliging The Cheat noises; salutes}''

''{Cut back to the Lappy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{resumes typing}'' Or what about one of those black and white ink portraits you see in all the rich-guy newspapers.

''{Cut to a black-and-white newspaper. An image of Strong Bad in a suit and tie and holding a large cell phone is in the center.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Well apparently they're not rich enough to afford any color. Or even solid lines... Just a bunch of dots and dashes. I look like Morse code. ''{imitating Morse code}'' Dah dah dah dee dee dee... I a-am ho-o-olding a real-ly ol-d cel-l-l pho-o-one.

''{Cut back to the Lappy. The screen has cleared.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Oops. No. Hey, I got it! A painting of such greatness demands only the finest materials. And what could be finer than black velvet in a cheap imitation wood frame? It would be showcased—

''{Cut to the velvet painting. It shows Strong Bad holding a skunk. A lamp with a moose on it can be seen to the left.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' —in only the fanciest double-wide trailers. Oh, and look! I finally caught that skunk. I been chasing after that little scamp for—Whoa!—

''{The shot suddenly shifts to the right to reveal a poster of a unicorn on a snowmobile with the caption "Born to be danged!!!". Another moose lamp is seen on the right.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' —Is that a blacklight poster of a unicorn riding a snowmobile?! Now ''that'' is some esteemed company.

''{A [[Cold One|Cold One Ice]] flies at the lamp and shatters it.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{offscreen and in a groggy voice}'' Thanks for breaking my moose lamp.

''{Cut back to the Lappy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Unfortunately, I don't know anybody with a useless Master of Fine Arts degree, so I might have to settle for something a bit more, how you say, made by Strong Mad or The Cheat.

''{Cut to The Cheat, who is noisily gnawing Strong Bad's face into a log.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Very... uh, slobbery, The Cheat. This isn't quite what I had in mind when you said "sculpture."

''{Music starts playing.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' You're really just... goin' to town there, aren't ya?

''{Strong Bad stares at The Cheat working for a moment.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I'm gonna ''{motioning with his glove}'' leave you two alone.

''{Strong Bad backs away. Cut to Strong Mad's room. Strong Mad is sprinkling glitter over a macaroni picture. Strong Bad walks up.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, nice work, Chef Boyardee.

''{Cut to a close-up of the picture.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Like I couldn't have gone down to the kindergarten and hired a five-year-old to make me one of those.

''{Cut back to the wide shot.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ...Except that sounds pretty creepy and I'd probably go to jail.

'''STRONG MAD:''' ''{slams the glitter down}'' I'LL WAIT FOR YOU!!

''{Cut back to the Lappy. Strong Bad sits down.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Well, thanks to my no-talent minions, it looks like a self-portrait is the only way to go. And I will render it in nothing less than the classic style of the Trüe Mästers.

''{Cut to a shot of Strong Bad, who has somehow fit his head into a wooden cutout of a muscular man holding a sword with a keyboard on it. The man has "SB" written on his stomach and is holding a falcon. His one visible leg wears a boot that looks vaguely similar to a [['Lectric Boots|'Lectric Boot]]. There are also two cans of paint nearby, labeled "Some Paint" and "Some More Paint". There is also a cutout of a mermaid at his feet with an empty space for a head. He paints it with a small brush.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ah, at last: A self-portrait that accurately depicts who I am, where I'm from, and my passing interest in falconry.

''{He tries to get out.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Uh, oh. ''{keeps trying}'' How do I get outta this thing?

''{Cut to the reverse angle. He can be seen hanging by his head.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' How did I get ''into'' this thing? ''{kicks his legs together a few times}''

''{Cut back to the front view. He holds up the duck-head toy from the first portrait.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{making the bird talk}'' Quack, quack.

''{Cut to a close-up.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Why, Lord Quackingstick, how nice to see you. You don't happen to have a hacksaw in your pocket, do you? ''{making the bird talk}'' Quack, quack.

''{Cut back to the wide shot.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, too bad. ''{looking down at the mermaid}'' Well, what about you, Princess Shellbra?

''{He moves the bird-on-a-stick into the face hole for the mermaid.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{making the bird talk in a high, sultry voice}'' Quack, quack. ''{speaking normally}'' But of course. I love to serenade you anytime with my ''{looks down to his right}'' mystical key-sword-tar. I mean it's not like I'm goin' anywhere... anytime soon.

''{[[The Paper]] comes down.}''

==Easter Eggs==
*Click the white card beside the portrait by the Deutsch Master to see an "Adventures of [[Strong Badman]]" comic book.
*Click the key-sword-tar at the end to see a printable version of the robotank stencil The Cheat used to vandalize the painting.
*Click [[Lord Quackingstick]] at the end to see Strong Bad show off his key-sword-tar to Homestar.
:''{Cut to The Field with Homestar and Strong Bad holding the key-sword-tar, his head still in the hole, although it has been broken off from the rest of the portrait.}''
:'''STRONG BAD:''' So that's when I realized I don't even need Lamaze classes.

:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Strong Bad, there's something different about you. Did you get a haircut?

:'''STRONG BAD:''' No, but I did get this new key-sword-tar. Maow, maow, maoooooooow. ''{falsetto}'' Keyboard, keyboooooard. ''{normal}'' Maow, maow, maooooooooow. ''{falsetto}'' Fight some brigands!! ''{Homestar holds up a [[SAAB Lighter|SAAB lighter]], Strong Bad's voice returns to normal}'' Maow Maow, Maoooow-ow-ow-ow-ow-ow-owwowwoww-whammy-barrrrruh.

==Fun Facts==
{{checkstuffpage}}
===Explanations===
* ''Deutsch'' is the German word for "german". Strong Bad uses it as a play on ''Dutch'', however (the similarity in sound has led to confusion about terms such as [[Wikipedia:Pennsylvania Dutch|Pennsylvania Dutch]], who are actually German). "Dutch masters" is a general term for the famous Dutch artists of the 17th century, such as [[Wikipedia:Rembrandt|Rembrandt]] and [[Wikipedia:Vermeer|Vermeer]]. "[[Wikipedia:Dutch Masters|Dutch Masters]]" is also a brand of cigars.
* [[Wikipedia:Falconry|Falconry]] is the art or sport of training raptors (birds of prey) to hunt or pursue game.
*[[Wikipedia:Lamaze|Lamaze]] is a relaxation technique designed to avoid the use of pain-killing drugs during childbirth.

===Trivia===
* This email was released late Sunday night Atlanta time, but the website claimed that its release date was on Monday.
* The card next to the first portrait reads:
<blockquote style="font-family:Times,serif;border:2px solid black;background:#fff;color:#000;width:120px">
Strongio da Baddio 
DaVantres 
''c. 1658''</blockquote>
* The upper-left corner of the comic book reads:

{| cellspacing="0" style="border:1px solid black;background:#fff;color:#000;width:150px;margin-left:2em"
|-
| colspan="2" style="border:1px solid black;" |
<center><big>CHEAP AS 
FREE 
comics</big> 
''{The Cheat in costume}''</center>
|-
| style="border:1px solid black;" |
<center>$1.25 
$8.00 CAN 
<big>45</big></center>
| style="border:1px solid black;" |
<center>APPROVED 
BY THE 
COMICS 
CODE 
''{symbol}''</center>
|}
* The picture's captions read "Sell phones or ''Cell'' phones?" above and "''Strong Bad''" below. A lower headline reads "Banks have 'money'".
* The left side of the newspaper reads:
<blockquote style="font-family:Times,serif;border:2px solid black;background:#ffffff;color:#000;width:150px">
<big><big>Mulligatawny</big></big> 
stew rose high in 
the markets today 
fter rumors spread 
a really sweet deal 
over at my place 
usually get started 
d nine and go until 
who knows when! 
Pork bellies will be 
erved around 8-ish. 
tures to follow at 9 
ase bring your own 
pkins if you're into 
 that crap. Not me. 
ipe hands on pants, 
 yo. Anyways, I'm 
ally rich and money 
s still very valuable.
</blockquote>

* The right side of the newspaper reads:

<blockquote style="font-family:Times,serif;border:2px solid black;background:#ffffff;color:#000;width:240px">
<big><big>G</big>igantic cell phone</big> 
making a 4th quart 
comeback as the the "it' 
toy of the Decemberwe 
season. "Who wants to 
put a phone in their poc 
when you can carry aro 
a separate suitcase just 
for a portable, wireless 
mobile, take-anywhere 
cellular telephone. Ma 
analysts predict all the 
cool kids will be luggi 
these stylish jobbies fr 
prom dance to soccer 
practice in 2006. 
 "I want a cell phone 
that is quite large," say 
the sleepy rabbit. 
The technology sector is anticipating 
other woodland creatures to be amon 
early adopters of the new technology
</blockquote>

===Remarks===
*Homestar's lighter in the key-sword-tar Easter egg is a [[Wikipedia:Saab|Saab]] lighter, as opposed to Strong Bad's [[BMW Lighter|BMW one]].
*The fours in The Cheat's ''4rt b4ndit'' shirt are another example of [[Internet Slang|Leetspeak]] in the toons.
*Strong Bad mentions a [[Wikipedia:whammy bar|whammy bar]], or tremolo arm, while playing his key-sword-tar (a pun on the [[Wikipedia:Keytar|Keytar]]). However, only actual guitars have these.
*Strong Bad's comment about "a useless Master of Fine Arts Degree" is a self-reference to [[Mike Chapman]]. Mike has a Bachelor of Fine Arts degree and, according to the [[Tastes Like Chicken Interview]], dropped out of graduate school because he felt that his photographic style was not commercially viable.
*The second small line on the right newspaper paragraph repeats the word "the".

===Goofs===
*Strong Bad mistypes his line "Guess what? Nobody calls you Coolio da Fabio (aka quit making up nicknames for yourself.)" The period should be outside the parentheses; Strong Bad types it inside.
*In the Easter egg, when Strong Bad is moving the cardboard cutout of the key-sword-tar around, the picture reverses direction.

===Inside References===
*Homestar's line "Thanks for breaking my moose lamp" is a reference to [[caper]], where he thanked Strong Bad and The Cheat for breaking his [[Cow Lamp|cow lamp]].
*A Strong Badman comic appeared in connection with a "Deutschman" in [[haircut]].
*The velvet painting of Strong Bad holding the skunk was done by [[Leomard Sportsinterviews|Lem Sportsinterviews]].
*The gnawing pose for The Cheat was last used in [[personal favorites]]. In the [[personal favorites#Commentary Transcript|DVD commentary]], [[The Brothers Chaps]] mention wanting to use that pose again.
*Strong Bad has a similar blacklight unicorn painting, as seen in the [[Strong Bad's Room Main Page]].
*The School Paste in Strong Mad's room was first seen in Strong Sad's room in the Email [[depressio]].
*The tune that Strong Bad uses to sing the opening lines of the e-mail is very similar to the background music of [[Fall Float Parade]].
*Strong Mad's box of "TendaRONi" is another appearance of [[Lowercase i's|lowercase ''i'''s]].
*The extra [[Wikipedia:Heavy metal umlaut|umlauts]] in "Trüe Mästers" mirror those in "Witches' Brüe" from [[Halloween Fairstival]].
*[[Wikipedia:Mulligatawny|Mulligatawny]], a kind of soup, also appeared in the [[Experimental Film#Commentary Transcript 2|DVD commentary for Experimental Film]].

===Real-World References===
*The Rad Rad Robotank is likely a double-reference to [[Wikipedia:Transformers Universes|Transformers]] and the [[Wikipedia:Newgrounds|Newgrounds.com logo]]. The fact that it appears as a stencil is possibly a jab at Newgrounds' tendency to encourage people to place their [http://www.newgrounds.com/stickers/ promotional stickers] everywhere.
*The black-and-white portrait of Strong Bad is a "[[Wikipedia:Hedcut|hedcut]]", a type of drawing [http://www.npg.si.edu/exh/journal/ developed by] and used in ''[[Wikipedia:The Wall Street Journal|The Wall Street Journal]]'' (which is probably the "rich-guy newspaper" he was referring to).
*[[Wikipedia:Chef Boyardee|Chef Boyardee]] was an Italian chef who is famous for his canned food franchise.

==External Links==
*[[HR:sbemail139.html|Watch "portrait"]]
*[[HR:sbemail139.swf|View the Flash file for "portrait"]]
*[[Forum:6116|forum thread re: portrait]]

{{Strong Bad Email}}

User talk:Darthvader66

Darthvader66 — Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:14:08 GMT

Darthvader66: /* hi there */

== Welcome! ==
Hi everyone! Feel free to leave a message or whatever.

==hi there==
:Hey there darthvader. Nice name. Anyway, I just wanted to tell you that you didn't have to write a timestamp [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:portrait&diff=prev&oldid=213805 here]. (Like this: 05:58, 9 December 2005 (UTC)). If you type 4 of these things, <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>, like that, it'll automaticly show a timestamp, plus a link to your name. Try it out! {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:58, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

-Ahh, thank you! That'll help a lot.

[[User:Darthvader66|Darthvader66]] 05:48, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

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Darthvader66 — Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:13:41 GMT

Darthvader66:

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Darthvader66 — Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:05:54 GMT

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== Welcome! ==
Hi everyone! Feel free to leave a message or whatever.

==hi there==
:Hey there darthvader. Nice name. Anyway, I just wanted to tell you that you didn't have to write a timestamp [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:portrait&diff=prev&oldid=213805 here]. (Like this: 05:58, 9 December 2005 (UTC)). If you type 4 of these things, <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>, like that, it'll automaticly show a timestamp, plus a link to your name. Try it out! {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:58, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

-Ahh, thank you! That'll help alot.

[[User:Darthvader66|Darthvader66]] 05:48, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

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Darthvader66 — Thu, 15 Dec 2005 06:04:32 GMT

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Darthvader66 — Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:49:32 GMT

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== Welcome! ==
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==hi there==
:Hey there darthvader. Nice name. Anyway, I just wanted to tell you that you didn't have to write a timestamp [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:portrait&diff=prev&oldid=213805 here]. (Like this: 05:58, 9 December 2005 (UTC)). If you type 4 of these things, <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>, like that, it'll automaticly show a timestamp, plus a link to your name. Try it out! {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:58, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

-Ahh, thank you! That'll help alot.

[[User:Darthvader66|Darthvader66]] 05:48, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

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Darthvader66 — Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:49:21 GMT

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Darthvader66 — Thu, 15 Dec 2005 05:48:55 GMT

Darthvader66: /* hi there */

== Welcome! ==
Welcome to the '''Homestar Runner Wiki!''' I wanted to extend a personal welcome, since I believe strongly that a [[Wikipedia:Wiki|Wiki]] should be a democratic and non-threatening place where everyone feels like they can contribute. Unfortunately it can be very frustrating at first if you make changes that are ignored or changed back by other users, but if so I encourage you to hang in there; as you get a feel for the way things are done around here you'll feel more at home. That was my experience, anyway!

If you need any help, feel free to ask anyone on the [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee#Members|welcoming committee]] (like [[User_talk:AbdiViklas|me]]!). You can also post questions on the [[HRWiki talk:FAQ|FAQ talk page]].

Here are some tips to get you started:
* If you need general information, editing tips, or answers to frequently asked questions, check out the [[Help:Contents|help]] page.
* Before you do any significant editing, be sure to familiarize yourself with our [[HRWiki:Standards|wiki standards]].
* Read up on the rules and guidelines for your [[HRWiki:User page|user page]]. What you're reading right now, by the way, is the "Talk:" page that goes with your user page. It's a good way to communicate directly with specific users. The best way to respond, though, is on the same user page where the conversation was started. E.g. if you have a question, go to my [[User_talk:AbdiViklas|user talk page]] and edit it, then watch my page (via [[Special:Recentchanges|Recent changes]]) for a response.
* If you're not sure what you can do to help out, head over to [[HRWiki:The Stick|The Stick]].
* If you're looking for more community interaction, you can also register over at our [http://forum.hrwiki.org forum] and get More Community Interaction Than You Or Your Grandmother Can Handle!
* Above all, '''be bold''' and have fun!

Feel free to delete this message when you're done reading it. (In general, it's frowned on to delete other people's input on talk pages, but this entry is just here to be helpful. When it's done being helpful, I guarantee you won't hurt my feelings by ditching it!)

Sincerely, 
[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] and [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee#Members|the rest of the welcoming committee]] (09:51, 17 October 2005 (UTC))

==hi there==
:Hey there darthvader. Nice name. Anyway, I just wanted to tell you that you didn't have to write a timestamp [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:portrait&diff=prev&oldid=213805 here]. (Like this: 05:58, 9 December 2005 (UTC)). If you type 4 of these things, <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>, like that, it'll automaticly show a timestamp, plus a link to your name. Try it out! {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:58, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Ahh, thank you! That'll help alot.

[[User:Darthvader66|Darthvader66]] 05:48, 15 December 2005 (UTC) , Darthvader66

sibbie

Darthvader66 — Wed, 14 Dec 2005 07:14:16 GMT

Darthvader66: /* Easter Eggs */

[[Image:sbemail76.png|thumb|Thanks, man! I'd just about had it with that talking toaster.]]

'''Strong Bad Email #76'''

Strong Bad tries his hardest not to write or sing a song about Sibbie. He fails.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|The Cheat}}, {{Film|Strong Sad}}, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|The Announcer}}, {{Film|Coach Z}} (Easter egg), {{Film|Strong Mad}} (Easter egg)

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Strong Bad's Basement]], [[The Field]], [[The Classroom]] (Easter egg)

{{Comp|Compy 386}}

'''Date:''' June 9, 2003

'''Running Time:''' 2:15

== Transcript ==

'''Strong Bad:''' Email! Email! Email! Email!

''{reading email}''

<blockquote class="compy email">Dear Strong Bad, 
 
You rock! Your are the most awesomest 
thing ever, but how come you made a 
song about fhqwhgads? Will you make 
a song about me? 
 
Sibbie.</blockquote>

''{Strong Bad stops reading after "fhqwhgads" to say:}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Whoa. Spelled fhqwhgads right. You wouldn't believe how many I get where they're like, "Hey Strong Bad, I love your fubugrass." Or "Dear Strong Bad, where's that fuguman?" Anyways... ''{He continues reading. After he finishes, he says...}'' Ugh... ''{typing}'' You people and your demands. Look, I'm not here to fulfill your every freakin' whim, all right? Make a song about me. Send Trogdor over to my house. Put on a purple thing and dance around! Well, I've had it! I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever make a song about the Sibbie. ''{A beat starts playing in the background, and Strong Bad types and reads along with it}'' And I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever write a song about— ''{stops singing}'' HEY! WHAT!?? Where's that beat coming from?

''{Zoom out a bit. Strong Bad turns to the side and sees The Cheat bobbing around as he plays a keyboard.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ohh, look who thinks he's Clever Dan. What are you trying to do, man? Get out of here! ''{The Cheat mutters what sounds like "All right," picks up the keyboard, and walks behind Strong Bad's computer.}'' Well, that brought this email to a screeching halt. My focus is all...crocused. Guess it's time for a break!

''{Strong Bad exits stage left. The Cheat peeks up from behind the computer. Cut to Strong Bad's Basement. Strong Bad enters stage right.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' And... Whoop! ''{He leaps over the back of the couch, sitting down to watch TV.}'' Oh, this is the one where the guy's mom shows the guy's girlfriend the pictures of the guy when he was a baby.

'''TV VOICE:''' MOM!!! ''{canned laughter}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, the embarrassment!

''{Strong Sad enters stage left, listening to an iPod.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' ...never, ever, ever, ever, ever write a song about Sibbie.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Hey, shut up! Where'd you hear that?

'''STRONG SAD:''' Geez, I don't know. Some song I just downloaded off the Internet.

'''STRONG BAD:''' What...?! Ugh... I gotta get out of here. ''{He exits stage left.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{walks towards stage right}'' And I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever...

''{Cut to The Field. Homestar Runner is standing next to a radio, occasionally bobbing left and right to the music.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing on the radio}'' And I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever write a song about Sibbie.

''{Strong Bad enters stage right.}''

'''THE ANNOUNCER:''' ''{on the radio}'' And coming in at number 4, that was Strong Bad with "Song About Sibbie."

'''STRONG BAD:''' I didn't write a song about Sibbie! The Cheat just started playing some beat, I mean, I wasn't even... I didn't mean to... It was never my intention to... I FREAKIN' HATE SIBBIE!

'''THE ANNOUNCER:''' And debuting at number 3, it's Strong Bad with "I Freakin' Hate Sibbie!"

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing on the radio}'' I freakin' hate Sibbie...

'''STRONG BAD:''' AAAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!

''{As he shouts, he picks up the radio and piledrives it, then kicks it over, then suplexes the radio, damaging it so that it stops playing. He then stands up, breathing hard. His right eye twitches twice in succession.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Thanks, man! I'd just about had it with that talking toaster.

''{[[The Paper]] comes down.}''

== Easter Eggs ==

*Click on the words "purple thing" to see Strong Bad's [[Wikipedia:Fruit of the Loom|Fruit of the Loom]] impression as purple grapes with the caption "lookin' good, SB."
*At the very end you can click on the [[booOOMbox]] to see Strong Bad teaching a class how to say "[[fhqwhgads]]."
:''Strong Bad and Homestar are standing in front of a chalkboard with "FHQWHGADS" written on it.
:'''STRONG BAD:''' "Fhqwhgads."
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Fubugrass.
:'''STRONG BAD:''' Say it with a flourish. "Fhqwhgads."
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNNER:''' Foobumagoo.
:'''STRONG BAD:''' It doesn't sound like it looks. "Fhqwhgads."
:'''COACH Z:''' ''{popping up in the foreground}'' Forhorgalingrads!
:'''STRONG BAD:''' Coach Z, I thought I asked you to leave, like, an hour ago.
:'''STRONG MAD:''' ''{pushing Coach Z out of the way}'' DOUGLAS!!!
:'''STRONG BAD:''' Whoa! We've had a breakthrough! You get a gold star.

== Fun Facts ==
===Explanations===
*"Fhqwhgads" originated in [[i love you]]; the song Sibbie is referring to is [[Everybody to the Limit]].

===Trivia===
*The menu on [[Strong Sad's iPod]] reads "playlists," "songs," and "settings," but a Rev. 1 iPod's menu should read "Playlists," "Artists," "Songs," "Settings," "About," and "Now Playing."
**Although, you can change the settings of an iPod to customize the main menu.

===Goofs===
*[[The Cheat's keyboard]] appears to have an extra key between E and F and ''two'' extra keys between B and C.
*The chair Strong Bad is sitting on in the Computer Room does not make any noise when he gets up.
*When Strong Bad sings he says "Song about THE Sibbie", but then Strong Sad and the radio all say "Song about Sibbie".

===Inside References===
*Strong Mad saying "[[Douglas]]!" in the "fhqwhgads class" Easter egg is a reference to [[cheat talk]].
*The radio which Homestar is listening to also appears in [[A Jumping Jack Contest]].
*Strong Bad calling The Cheat "Clever Dan" is yet another reference to the running gag of [[Dan]].

===Real-World References===
*Strong Bad reveals his wrestling skill when he attacks the radio, performing a [[Wikipedia:Professional wrestling throws#Piledriver|Piledriver]], kick, then a [[Wikipedia:Suplex#Vertical_suplex|Vertical Suplex]].
*Homestar's remark about the talking toaster may be a reference to the annoying "chirpie breakfast companion" named [http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/reddwarf/video/popup_s4_white_hole.html Talkie Toaster] on the TV sci-fi program [http://www.reddwarf.co.uk/ Red Dwarf].

== DVD Version ==
*The Fruit-of-the-Loom Easter egg is viewable using the angle button on your DVD remote.

== External Links ==
*[[HR:sbemail76.html|watch "sibbie"]]
*[[HR:sbemail76.swf|view the Flash file for "sibbie"]]

{{Strong Bad Email}}

Talk:portrait

Darthvader66 — Fri, 09 Dec 2005 05:47:28 GMT

Darthvader66: /* What Place? */

== Is It Just My Imagination? ==
Should we add in Trivia that this came out on 12/04 when the site said that it was updated 12/05? Or was it just my imagination that it did that? lol--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 04:39, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:No, I saw that too. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 04:55, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

::I think it fits more in the area of a remark. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 18:59, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

:::The reason it's trivia is that it has to do with circumstances surrounding the toon rather than the toon itself. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:15, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

== Strong Mad's line? ==

I personally hear that Strong Mad would be saying "I'll wait for you", instead of "I went for you", but that might be just me. --[[User:Ramblin' Wreck of Spelling Check|RWoSC]] 04:50, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:Me too. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 04:55, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::I think it's "I WENT FOR YOU!" It fits better in context. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::I distinctly hear "i'll wait for you". Thats what I changed it to. Soryy if I wasnt s'posed to. {{User:Salty/sig}} 05:00, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I hear '''wait'''. But that's on the first hear. I'll check it out next time I watch the toon. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 05:01, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
I heard something else the first time, but the second time I heard "wait", as in, Strong Mad will wait for Strong Bad if he's thrown in jail, or something (it doesn't make a lot of sense either way). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:10, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:Now that I hear it again, I hear "I'd wait for you", not I'll wait fopr you. {{User:Salty/sig}} 05:11, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::I hear "I'll" over "I'd". (But it ''is'' hard to tell.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:14, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I uploaded a slowed-down version. It sounds very much like "I'd wait for you." It makes sense in context. SB: "I'd go to jail." SM: "I'd wait for you." http://www.crapware.com/smwait.mp3
::::Yeah I ''definitely'' hear wait. However, I don't hear a "d" sound, which makes me beleive that it's ''I'll'' rather than ''I'd''. I'm almost certain it's ''I'll''. ''I'll'' makes more sense, since he's saying "ok i'll wait for you when you get back from jail." As if it's definitive that he's going. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 07:06, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I also hear "I'll wait for you." and the line makes lots of sense: this is what wives and girlfriends are supposed to say when their guys get caught red-handed by the police. The joke is two-fold: (1) SM will do this feminine thing for SB; (2) SM misunderstands SB's hypothetical as a definite outcome, hence "I'll" rather than "I'd"[[User:Henebry|Henebry]]

:<s>Actually, I hear "I'll work for you!"</s> {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 16:54, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

::How much do you want to bet the next Quote of the Week will be this exact line? {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 20:56, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:::Fifteen dollars and tooty-two cents. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]

Here we go again: [[Media:Portrait Strongmad.ogg|Listen to him talk!]]
:Even with this new item, I distinctly hear a T sound at the end of the word beginning with W. It's still went in my book. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Well, both the words "Went" and "Wait" have a T sound at the end. :) What I hear, phonetically, is "ALL WET FOR YOU!" - considering Strong Mad's speech style, that's more likely to be "I'LL WAIT FOR YOU" than "I WENT FOR YOU". {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 21:49, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:I just think "I'd" would make more sense, not "I'll". "I'd go to jail", "I'd wait for you". "I'll" would make much less sense, and I definitely hear the D. --{{User:Salty/sig}} 23:58, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
POLL:
If you hear "wait" sign here:
#{{User:Bubsty/sig}}
#{{User:Salty/sig}} 05:11, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
#{{User:Joshua/sig}}
#[[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] [[Image:heimstern101.gif|22px]]
#{{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}}
#{{User:E.L. Cool/sig}}
#--[[User:Stux|Stux]]
#{{User:Jay/sig}}
#{{User:djm1791/sig2}}
#{{User:Bill Martinson/sig}}
#[[User:Henebry|Henebry]]
#--[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]] (sorry Dorian!)
#{{User:KieferSkunk/sig}}
#--[[User:StrongBaditude|StrongBaditude]]
# -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 15:06, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
# - [[User: Kiwi|Kiwi]]
If you hear "went" sign here:
#[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::judging by my quickly-made poll, I think "wait" is the majority. Sorry Dorian. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:15, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

POLL: If you believe the phrase is "I'd wait for you", vote here:
# {{User:Salty/sig}} 03:03, 6 December 2005 (UTC) It's gotta be.
#{{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} This is turning into STUFF rather quickly, ain't it?

If you believe the phrase is "I'll wait for you", vote here:
# -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 15:06, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
# {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}}
#--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:48, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
#{{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 21:12, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Well ... here's another. I thought I just heard SM say "I'd work for you" or "I'll work for you." After all, SB did say he'd *hire* a 5 year old. Ima listen again, though. -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 17:51, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:Nah, I hear a T sound at the end. {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:24, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

I betcha that, when it's put as a QOTW, it'll be something nobody even heard, like at all... --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]

Let's go easy on the polls too, i think it's pretty clear most people hear "wait", and the only other important one left is this one, "I'd" vs "I'll". Everything else is quite audible. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:48, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

== Firebert ==

Do we want Firebert listed in the cast list? I added him before, but was it removede for a reason? Is that even Firebert or just The Cheat in black? {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 04:55, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:Doesn't quite look like Firebert to me. Note the text shirt and the mask. It's a cat burglar The Cheat, not Firebert. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Yep. Another Other Costume. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 04:59, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Definately not firebert. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:08, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::::Yeah I *just* noticed the discussion. I was just re-reverting some changes that apparently got lost in the meelee. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:09, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

== What Place? ==
Should we make a name for that room with the portrait and unicorn thing? I think it might be in homestar's house, with the moose lamp. {{User:Salty/sig}} 05:12, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:Or it could be in a trailer, like SB said. Makes sense, 'cause the place looks "trailer-like." {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:16, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::I think the trailer room may just be imaginary a place made up specifically for this Sbemail and has no real owner. Though I could be wrong, my second guess would be that its Homestar's Den, and my third guess being Strong Bad's Den, with stolen property from Homestar's Den. Either way, it looks like a Den. [[User:Veluet|Veluet]] 15:36, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I don't think it's Homestar's house, and I don't think the voice we hear is the voice of Homestar. I don't think I've ever heard him sound like that. The whole thing appears to be a doublewide trailer of some nobody who has a speech impediment that is slightly reminiscent of Homestar's. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:11, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::::It reminds me of the basement in SB's main page to me, what with the unicorn poster. Anyway, add it as "The Trailer" or whatever to "Places Strong Bad has made up". --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
:::::The voice is a reference to [[caper]], where Homestar, in that voice (because it's early in the morning, and he's groggy), says "thanks for breaking my cow lamp." I can't decide whether it's a trailer or a den. It looks like a trailer, but why would Homestar's mayching lamp be there? --{{User:Salty/sig}} 00:01, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::Hello, gentlemen?! Homestar doesn't ''have'' a moose lamp. This is an imaginary reality, ''if'' Homestar lived in a trailer and had black-velvet and blacklight posters on his wall which he threw beer bottles at. It's a place Strong Bad made up (though I don't think it should actually go in [[Places Strong Bad Made Up]]; it's not... place-like enough for that). —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:38, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::::If he can have a cow lamp, he can have a moose lamp. {{User:Salty/sig}} 02:19, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::Considering the walls looks similar to Strong bads room, and that poster was in there on the main page for his room, isn;t it safe to say it's the same place? Darthvader66 Dec. 9, 2:21 AM

== Hyphens or no? ==

I'm seeing a couple different spellings of a new word: "keyswordtar" and "key-sword-tar". Which should we use? I'm all for using compounds rather than hyphens (but that's what you'd expect for a German-speaker). What do y'all think? [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] [[Image:heimstern101.gif|22px]] 06:00, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
: Whichever one we use, we should be consistent, as we are currently not. I like the hyphens myself but don't care enough one way or the other, so long as we're consistent. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:02, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::I originally transcribed it ''with'' the hyphens because he seemed to be inventing a word and emphasizing each syllable in a tmesis similar to "fan-freaking-tastic". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:03, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Well, I'm not sure I hear it that way, but I'm fine with standardizing that way anyway, since both you and Jay seem to like it that way. (Too many clauses that ended in "way"!) [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] [[Image:heimstern101.gif|22px]] 06:14, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
I vote hyphens. {{User:Salty/sig}} 00:03, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::::I way like the hyphens way.     (Yay!) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:39, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
I key-vote-tar for hyphens as well. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:01, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

== Shellbra- Zelda? ==

I was watching the email and heard strong bad refer to "Princess Shellbra" and it made me think about the Legend of Zelda character Princess Zelda, I think you can tell why. I looked on the Wiki page, but it wasn't there. should we add it, or no?

:I don't think so. too broad. and sign your posts--{{User:Benol/sig}} 12:23, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah. It's a little of a stretch. -[[User:Grabboarm700|Grabboarm700]]

:::Definitely not. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

If this is a reference to anything, I'd think it'd be a reference to [[Wikipedia:The Little Mermaid|The Little Mermaid]]. Mermaids wearing shells over their chests is nothing new, but Disney popularized that style in this movie. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:32, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:I don't consider it a reference to anything. {{User:Salty/sig}} 00:04, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Speaking of good ol' Shellbra, did anybody else catch this- Shellbra. Shell Bra. As in, shells for a... well... --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
::I think pretty much everyone noticed that. But it's definately not a Zelda referance. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:18, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

:::Oh, I know that... I'm just saying, is all... I didn't catch it at first, so... yeah... --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]

== Star Wars? ==

I noticed that the picture Strong Bad drew/made at the end has a robot foot. Would this be a reference to Star Wars, or is it a stretch? -[[User:Grabboarm700|Grabboarm700]]

:Big stretch. — [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 16:20, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

::Robot foot? That reminds me of one of the characters from the Sonic the Hedgehog comic series - a partially-roboticized rabbit (forgot her name). That said, big stretch. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 16:57, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::For reference, her name, I believe, was Bunny Rabbot. And it's very much a stretch. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::Ah, right, Bunnie Rabbot (spelled with an -ie, not a -y). Personally, despite the fact that I hated her voice, I really liked that character in the Sat-Am cartoon series (based on the comic). {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:34, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

it's obviously the [['Lectric Boots]]. they look tottaly like it. he would put it there cuase' he thought it was awesome.[[User:Jibney|Jibney]] 02:23, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:Nah, the robot foot he was wearing here was more square-er, and had spikes on it. --{{User:Salty/sig}} 02:26, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
::Strong Bad does seem to have an affinity for Robotic Footwear though, as evidence with the 'Lectric Boots and Stinkoman's Robot Boots. Even 1-up wears Robotic Boots, but that may just be a continuation of style. -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 18:18, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

== Cardboard or wood? ==

The transcript mentions that the cutout in the end is made from cardboard, but when seen from the back, it looks like its made from wooden planks. --[[User:Eytanz|Eytanz]] 14:52, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:Sounds like an inconsistency in the cartoon. [[User:Veluet|Veluet]] 15:39, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::No, the cartoon is fine. It's the wiki transcript that needs fixing. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 16:16, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I went ahead and changed it since no-one seemed to shout out a dissenting opinion. --[[User:Eytanz|Eytanz]] 22:23, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

== More than meets the eye ==

I noticed that the Optimus Prime reference has been removed in favor of a more broad definition (Notably, just Transformers). With all due respect, it IS Optimus' head up there, but did we not want to be that specific? Just a thought. -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}}
:Is that specifically Optimus Prime, though? Are there no other Transformers that have that head? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 17:27, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::As far as I can tell, it is the original Optimus Prime from the old show. The other Autobots had similar, but distinctly different heads, while the Decepticons had slightly more angles and "evil" looks on thier faces. Hasboro may have used the head on other characters action figures since then, and I haven't seen the newer shows enough to guarantee that it is the only Transformer ever to have used that particular head. Anyway, it was just a thought. -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}}
:::Personally, I agree with you on this one, and I went ahead and added it back in (as a more specific example of the general reference). I'm not all that familiar with the Transformers universe, though, and I suspect neither are many of the people who'll read the article. But Optimus Prime was the first character I thought of when I saw that head, so it's probably correct. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 17:47, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::::Cool, cool. Non-depressing, cool. I agree whole-heartedly. The only other thing that came to mind was the original Power Rangers from their Megazord, but after checking for some pictures, it's just not the same. I think Optimus would be proud, to, uh, be attached to a graffitti tank...
::::Thanks for taking the time. Catch you later. -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 17:57, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::Should we just put "most likely Optimus Prime"? Because there is a small chance it could be someone else. Just in case. {{User:Salty/sig}} 00:12, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::This is probably not Optimus Prime, partially because of the lack of antennae on his head, but most importantly because this robot has what appears to be a mouth, and Prime has a faceplate. Perhaps putting "such as Optimus Prime" or "like Optimus Prime" would be more suitable. -[[User:nova81426|Nova81426]]

If that's Optimus Prime, then I'm Bob Hope: it looks absolutely NOTHING like Optimus Prime's head, rather it looks like just a generic Transformer. For the record, I am a huge Transformers fan, and can isolate the following differences:
# Optimus has no visible mouth; he has a faceplate. This Transformer has a mouth.
# Optimus has a large vertical grilled box that dominates his forehead. This Transformer does not.
# Optimus has a pair of antenna-rod things on the sides of his head, where his ears would be. This Transformer does not.

Here's visible proof, even: 
[http://www.seibertron.com/toys/fullsize.php?id=1&size=1&image=86 Optimus Prime toy] 
[http://www.seibertron.com/images/cartoon/01/60/OptimusPrime498-01.jpg Optimus Prime cartoon]

I am 175% positive that is not Optimus Prime, or even intended to be Optimus Prime. Considering how the Brothers Chaps approach everything, if it was supposed to be Optimus, then they would have drawn it to look exactly like him. I'm sure that if you look around, you could isolate a Tranformer that matches it, if not at least a dozen, minimum (hell, I could even ask my brother, who keeps track of that kind of thing much more than I do). Because of that, I would say that it's just supposed to be a generic Transformer.

And no, it doesn't look a thing like Megatron, either. :P --[[User:Spanky The Dolphin|Spanky The Dolphin]] 08:36, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

:Well Mr. Hope, upon reviewing the pictures you provided, the painting looks even more like Optimus to me than it did before. The "mouth" you describe on this painting looks like nothing more than a dent in his faceplate, and not something that would be big enough to even be a mouth. His forehead piece may have been too complex for the Brothers Chaps to include in The Cheat's stencil, and the antenna-rod things you describe are only apparent in the action figure, and that appears to be a little stylized. In the cartoon, they look kind of small and uncool. It is possible TBC based this simple little drawing off only the cartoon, determining the horns took away from the leader of the Autobots. Or maybe the drew it like this to stimulate some debate for them to read and laugh at. Who knows? Anyway, the page doesn't state that it is absoultely Optimus, but maybe we ought to put this in the STUFF Vote section.

:-{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 15:00, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

::Okay, now yay-hoo has changed it to Starscream. Guess what? That's right, it doesn't look a damn thing like Starscream, either. If anyone, I would say that it looks like Hound than like anyone else, but I'm not, because I think it's supposed to be generic.

And Jeff, for the record, Prime's antenna-rod things were often prominant in the cartoon. It's just that a lot of times the cartoon wasn't drawn very well. Here's an example from the movie:

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Prime_dead.jpg The Death of Optimus]

And yes, that little dent is actually big enough to be a mouth. I'm frankly weary about putting it to a vote, simply due to the fact that it seeing the above makes me feel that there aren't very many people on this Wiki that are too familiar with Transformers.--[[User:Spanky The Dolphin|Spanky The Dolphin]] 16:41, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

: How about "reminiscent of Optimus Prime" as a compromise? {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:07, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[[Image:transformers.png|frame|[[portrait]], Optimus Prime, and Starscream]]
Someone keeps adding Starscream to the mix, but it is ''clearly'' not him. I see a vague similarity to Optimus, but the head ''is'' kinda generic. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:17, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah, I suppose that's good enough for me for the time being. --[[User:Spanky The Dolphin|Spanky The Dolphin]] 18:34, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I think the current phrasing ("the head resembles that of Optimus Prime") is good enough, but seeing these pictures side-by-side makes me think the earlier phrasing (where it just states "Transformers" and not a specific character) is the best way to go. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:42, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

:I think that ''(the head resembles that of Optimus Prime)'' has no place in this sentence. It does not resemble Optimus Prime anymore than the other Transformers. Anyone looking at that fact that did not know who Optimus was, would be mislead whereas anyone that know Optimus already know the reference is to the transformers. The stencil does not have anything horizontal to indicate the front mouthplate. If this was in STUFF I'd petition to have it removed for being '''patently false'''. I love Optimus, and he is perhaps the most well-known but the side-by-side comparison is compelling. I move to remove any specific refernce to Optimus. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:13, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::and as for the dent...no. It is and is supposed to be a mouth, let's not stoop to grasping at anything to make our case. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:15, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

::::Well then I'll just go ahead and change it to that, since I agree absolutely.--[[User:Spanky The Dolphin|Spanky The Dolphin]] 19:38, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I had never noticed that little sliver until I zoomed way in. It ''does'' look to me like there might be a nose and a mouth, which I suppose is where the Starscream connection comes from. I still think, however, that it's too generic to say it looks like anybody in particular. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:46, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I looked at a lot of pictures on an image search, and decided that I don't think it's Optimus. If anyone, I'd say Starscream, but not Optimus. Hound, maybe. I'd leave it as is, where it doesn't specify any names. I'd leave off the part about Newgrounds' promotional sticker, though. --{{User:Salty/sig}} 02:37, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
:Odd coincidence... I was looking for images on Optimus Prime and ran across [http://www.homestarrunner.com/weenstuff/weenstuff36.html this]. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:13, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

::Very well, I concede the point. Sorry about causing all the headaches, but at least we got a good discussion out of this. Even with all of the picture evidence, my brain still jumps straight to Optimus when I see that sticker, but I see now that it's my mistake. I shouldn't try to make a fact published material unless I can find people who agree. I see now that I should use the "talk" method for this rather than the "post-it-and-see-what-people-think" method. Thanks for proving me wrong and correcting the site Spanky. I'll never doubt your Transformer knowledge again! -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 18:15, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

:::No need to apologize. :) That's what this is all about. We encourage you to be '''bold''' in your editing, so if you think an article would be improved by saying it looks like Optimus Prime or Starscream or whoever, go ahead and make the change. Just don't be surprised if the majority disagrees - this is by nature a democratic site. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

== Not Homestar ==

I really don't think that's Homestar's voice in the moose lamp gag. I think it's just the unspecified trashy owner of the unspecified trashy trailer. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:13, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
: In fact, considering the accent and the fact that it's a moose, the voice ''might'' be a reference to Bob and Doug McKenzie. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:17, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:I think it is. He's supposed to sound sleepy. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:He sounds exactly the same way that he sounds in [[caper]], where he says almost exactly the same line. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:26, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::Agreed - that's Homestar. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:05, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Most assuredly Homestar. What he's doin' in a double wide I do *NOT* know! -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]]
::::Perhaps we were given a glimpse into the abode of Mustachioed HSR! -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 19:13, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Well okay, but if that's Homestar then it would seem we have to accept the following:
# Homestar owns or rents a "fancy" doublewide trailer.
# Homestar has a portrait of Strong Bad holding a skunk hanging in his doublewide.
# Homestar has a cool portrait of a unicorn on a snowmobile hanging in his doublewide.
# Homestar keeps Cold Ones in his trailer.
# Strong Bad is impressed by something Homestar owns (he speaks favorably of the trailer and both pieces of art).
# Strong Bad passes up the opportunity to comment on all this. Ordinarily, he would be outwardly upset at having to admit Homestar owns or has done something cool, and would either change his opinion about said coolness or comment that Homestar has no business owning such things. Or maybe fall into despondency.
Based on everything we know about both of these characters, it just doesn't make any sense to me. Best I can figure is that it's the real owner of the doublewide using a Homestar quote to fit the situation (which happens around my house all the time, especially when anything happens with anything that's blue). And the accent really isn't quite right at the end of the quote.

I'm happy to be proven wrong ... somebody make sense out of all the above for me, please.

{{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 19:42, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:If this is a place in Strong Bad's imagination, then we don't HAVE to accept any of these things as facts. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:44, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:: But where do you draw the line? All kinds of things that appear only in a Strong Bad Email are reported on the wiki as "facts" of Free Country USA.
:: And the question still remains ... even if this is just his imagination, '''why is Strong Bad imagining Homestar being cool?''' It's so out of character. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 20:01, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:: Uh, Bill ... I think you're over-brainin' this one. -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 19:53, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Agreed, same as the email where SB recalls emails that never really happened...ie Coach Z has neve been in a knife fight in the H*R universe, its was just SB high on soy sauce. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:56, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::::Sure, but your example doesn't create inconsistencies in the characters.
::::I'm not looking for perfect logic here; it ''is'' homestarrunner.com, after all! But it's hard to see TBC going so far outside the box consistency-wise for one little backreference. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 20:01, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::::: All right, how about this? Homestar was visiting someone who lives in a trailer, and he spent the night, and was so groggy he referred to it as "his" moose lamp when it really wasn't. Yes, I'm BSing a little, but ''was'' one little "backreference" whether it was Homestar saying it or not, and it sounded just like Homestar, so who are we to say otherwise? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:52, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:Jeez Bill, have you even watched [[caper]]? This is so completely obviously totally 100% surely Homestar! {{User:Salty/sig}} 00:16, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::I second Salty, that sounds A LOT like Homestar in caper. Here he says "Thanks for breaking my moose lamp." and in caper he says "Thanks for breaking my cow lamp.", it is a lot like it, so I think we need to just leave it as one of Homestar's Lines and have it be at Homestars house. I bet TBC just threw this in here for the very reason that weird people like us would argue about this, silly TBC. --StrongBaditude
::::: Breakin' lamps is an inside joke/running gag. The Cow Lamp in caper, The Cow Lamp again in garagle sale, now a moose lamp. It fits! {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:14, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Please see my [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:portrait&diff=211808&oldid=211771 comment] above, made before I had read this section. I've said it before, and this seems an appropriate place to say it again: things can reference multiple things. Thus this can be Homestar ''and'' Bob & Doug (though I really don't think they should get a Fun Fact). On the reality of what we're seeing, no, not everything we see in a sbemail is H*R-reality. (In fact I'd venture to say the ''majority'' of things we see are hypothetical!) We have the entire page [[Places Strong Bad Made Up]] as a result. This is one such place (although, as I said above, I don't think it should be added to the page). Strong Bad started hypothesizing about himself as a black velvet painting, then extended the speculation to the fact that it would hang in a double-wide; then as a nice touch we discover that the double-wide belongs to Trailer Homestar. Who carves things in walls (as opposed to [[Cool Things|painting them]]), sits around drinking cold ones, and chucks the bottles at the wall. (And, although the voice indicated grogginess in [[caper]], I think here it indicates the ravages of years of alcohol and hollerin' at his woman. Plus a current state of significant inebriation). Please do not, on the basis of these remarks, create a page for "Trailer Homestar" or the place. I simply offer them to ease Bill's character conflicts. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:19, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
: Wha-- where did all that come from?? --A weirded out {{User:Salty/sig}} 04:30, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::Abdiviklas is somewhat famous for replying in lengthly essays. Lengthly, but interesting. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 04:32, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::If you mean where'd the length come from, yeah, what Bubsty said. (I just started explaining, and felt it wouldn't be thoroughly explained until the point when I stopped.) If you mean where's the evidence for what I'm reading into it... I'm not sure I can explain it better without using even more words. Try watching the scene and then reading it again? —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 05:05, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I'm ready to let this one die, since I'm in a minority of one. I'll accept the voice as Homestar's, and just give up on trying to figure out why Strong Bad seems to be out of character. (And yes, I had seen [[caper]] before, and I did watch it again for comparison. I guess I just need to accept the fact that nothing I see in a sbemail counts as FCUSA "canon".) {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:14, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:Well, "nothing" is a pretty big word there. Let's just say you need to have several large grains of salt handy at all times. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:24, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::I don't really think it is Homestar; the voice was too deep. Then again, it could always be his shady drifter expression from [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]], which wasn't too long ago. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 19:04, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
No, it's surely his groggy voice. But Abdi, I meant I knew you liked long replies, but the alcoholic-trailer trash-yelling at his woman part, kinda frightened and confused me. No offense or anything, but I don't see how you derived all that from his tone of voice! {{User:Salty/sig}} 02:55, 7 December 2005 (UTC)!
:I think he derived a little from the cold one bottle hitting the lamp. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:Abdi was kidding- making a wild hypothesis and including trailer-trash stereotypes. Much like what Strong Bad was doing! But really, just because Homestar's voice wandered in at the opportune moment to reference Caper, that doesn't mean he owns the trailer or that the trailer exists. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 06:28, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

== Pointless and stupid, but... ==

I just had to say something about this... I wonder what TBC's inspiration for the picture with the skunk was. I seriously doubt it was either [[User:KieferSkunk|me]] or [[User:Skunk|Skunk]] here on the wiki, but that certainly would be cool if it was. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 01:08, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:Hm... maybe if Strong Bad catches a creature called a... "Bubsty," they could've modeled it after me! (C'mon TBC, do it do it do it!) {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:11, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::I dunno, I think a {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} would be an easy way to go. :) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 02:02, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I don't even use my user name, but I doubt TBC will ever put a Houdin in the show. (For the record, that's NOT Houdini with out the I it's Jean Eugene Robert-HOUDIN (say Hoo-dan), a French magician.) It'd be cool if they do though! -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 15:03, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::::TBC have already used my username {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:50, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::Technically, they used it before you did, though... ;) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::::I think that's what he means. ;) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
:::::::I wonder if I'll get any royalties if The Cheat's half brother, "The Chort", turned up... {{User:The Chort/sig}} 21:00, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::You'd only get royalties from Coach Z, but he's used all his money on the ''Great for baby'' items. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:51, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

== First Appearance? ==
Is this the first appearance of Homestars SAAB lighter? For some reason I think I've seen him with a lighter before.
:Homestar may have had a lighter, but it wasn't the saab. This is the first saab appearance. And please sign your posts StrongBaditude. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 02:09, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

== Some More Paint ==
This may be a stretch - that's why I'm not posting it yet - but I think "some more paint" may be a reference to the [http://www.benjaminmoore.com ''Benjamin Moore''] paint company, which is probably the most ubiquitous brand out there. -- [[User:Terlet Brush|Terlet Brush]] 14:59, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:I think you're kind of reaching there. IF it was spelled "Some Moore Paint," I'd concede the point, but I think TBC just put it there to have two different paint jars. Nice try though. -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 15:09, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::Yup. Despite its ubiquity, I've never heard of it, and I suspect most outside the painting industry would be in the same boat. (If you forced me to name a paint brand, I'd say the word "Sherwin" was involved somehow? And it has that logo of the world with red paint getting poured over it, you know?) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 16:44, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::When I think paint I think John Madden saying, "Ace is the place" for all your painting needs. We are definitely a society that is completely victim to: advertising. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:53, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Sherwin Williams doesn't make paint, but they sell it. {{User:Salty/sig}} 03:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

== Let there be lighter ==
It's true that Homestar's pulling out the Saab lighter in the Easter egg is similar to what the audience at a concert often does during slow songs, but it's hardly the first time that something like that has happened on the site... Does it need to be explained here? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:54, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:I still think mine was a usable explanation. You said it was hardly the first time it happened on the site. That is ''specifically'' why I think we need to keep it. Younger tweens watching the toon (or our wiki) may not know why Homestar pulled out the lighter; for all they know, he could've been trying to burn down Free, Country, USA! {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 20:07, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::I disagree. The real-world explanation for pulling out a lighter like this may be useful for people to know, but I think it's more important to point out that it's part of a running gag on the site, and perhaps explain the practice in the running gag page. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:59, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Now that you mention it, I think that this fun fact would fit in both locations (the article and the running gag page). {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 13:03, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
::::I'm not sure if y'all noticed it, but SAAB makes cars, just like BMW. Maybe that should be noted, the whole "The lighter, as per the running gag, is NORMALLY a BMW lighter, but in this email it is replaced with a SAAB lighter, and SAAB and BMW both make cars." as it's own, reworded fun fact. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
What Homestar did was a reference to the concert thing. I think we should put it on. {{User:Salty/sig}} 03:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
:Sounds like it's time to STUFF this item.

== Those stinkin umlauts... ==

*Should it be remarked that "Mästers" is pronounced incorrectly according to German grammar rules? (The reference was most likely German.)
-[[User: Kiwi|Kiwi]]
::We did it the first time Deutsch man was mentioned, when he mispronounced it, so we should have it here. {{User:Salty/sig}} 03:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

Talk:portrait

Darthvader66 — Fri, 09 Dec 2005 05:41:59 GMT

Darthvader66: /* What Place? */

== Is It Just My Imagination? ==
Should we add in Trivia that this came out on 12/04 when the site said that it was updated 12/05? Or was it just my imagination that it did that? lol--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 04:39, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:No, I saw that too. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 04:55, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

::I think it fits more in the area of a remark. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 18:59, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

:::The reason it's trivia is that it has to do with circumstances surrounding the toon rather than the toon itself. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:15, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

== Strong Mad's line? ==

I personally hear that Strong Mad would be saying "I'll wait for you", instead of "I went for you", but that might be just me. --[[User:Ramblin' Wreck of Spelling Check|RWoSC]] 04:50, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:Me too. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 04:55, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::I think it's "I WENT FOR YOU!" It fits better in context. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::I distinctly hear "i'll wait for you". Thats what I changed it to. Soryy if I wasnt s'posed to. {{User:Salty/sig}} 05:00, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I hear '''wait'''. But that's on the first hear. I'll check it out next time I watch the toon. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 05:01, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
I heard something else the first time, but the second time I heard "wait", as in, Strong Mad will wait for Strong Bad if he's thrown in jail, or something (it doesn't make a lot of sense either way). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:10, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:Now that I hear it again, I hear "I'd wait for you", not I'll wait fopr you. {{User:Salty/sig}} 05:11, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::I hear "I'll" over "I'd". (But it ''is'' hard to tell.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:14, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I uploaded a slowed-down version. It sounds very much like "I'd wait for you." It makes sense in context. SB: "I'd go to jail." SM: "I'd wait for you." http://www.crapware.com/smwait.mp3
::::Yeah I ''definitely'' hear wait. However, I don't hear a "d" sound, which makes me beleive that it's ''I'll'' rather than ''I'd''. I'm almost certain it's ''I'll''. ''I'll'' makes more sense, since he's saying "ok i'll wait for you when you get back from jail." As if it's definitive that he's going. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 07:06, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I also hear "I'll wait for you." and the line makes lots of sense: this is what wives and girlfriends are supposed to say when their guys get caught red-handed by the police. The joke is two-fold: (1) SM will do this feminine thing for SB; (2) SM misunderstands SB's hypothetical as a definite outcome, hence "I'll" rather than "I'd"[[User:Henebry|Henebry]]

:<s>Actually, I hear "I'll work for you!"</s> {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 16:54, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

::How much do you want to bet the next Quote of the Week will be this exact line? {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 20:56, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:::Fifteen dollars and tooty-two cents. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]

Here we go again: [[Media:Portrait Strongmad.ogg|Listen to him talk!]]
:Even with this new item, I distinctly hear a T sound at the end of the word beginning with W. It's still went in my book. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Well, both the words "Went" and "Wait" have a T sound at the end. :) What I hear, phonetically, is "ALL WET FOR YOU!" - considering Strong Mad's speech style, that's more likely to be "I'LL WAIT FOR YOU" than "I WENT FOR YOU". {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 21:49, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:I just think "I'd" would make more sense, not "I'll". "I'd go to jail", "I'd wait for you". "I'll" would make much less sense, and I definitely hear the D. --{{User:Salty/sig}} 23:58, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
POLL:
If you hear "wait" sign here:
#{{User:Bubsty/sig}}
#{{User:Salty/sig}} 05:11, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
#{{User:Joshua/sig}}
#[[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] [[Image:heimstern101.gif|22px]]
#{{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}}
#{{User:E.L. Cool/sig}}
#--[[User:Stux|Stux]]
#{{User:Jay/sig}}
#{{User:djm1791/sig2}}
#{{User:Bill Martinson/sig}}
#[[User:Henebry|Henebry]]
#--[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]] (sorry Dorian!)
#{{User:KieferSkunk/sig}}
#--[[User:StrongBaditude|StrongBaditude]]
# -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 15:06, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
# - [[User: Kiwi|Kiwi]]
If you hear "went" sign here:
#[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::judging by my quickly-made poll, I think "wait" is the majority. Sorry Dorian. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:15, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

POLL: If you believe the phrase is "I'd wait for you", vote here:
# {{User:Salty/sig}} 03:03, 6 December 2005 (UTC) It's gotta be.
#{{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} This is turning into STUFF rather quickly, ain't it?

If you believe the phrase is "I'll wait for you", vote here:
# -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 15:06, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
# {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}}
#--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:48, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
#{{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 21:12, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

Well ... here's another. I thought I just heard SM say "I'd work for you" or "I'll work for you." After all, SB did say he'd *hire* a 5 year old. Ima listen again, though. -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 17:51, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:Nah, I hear a T sound at the end. {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:24, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

I betcha that, when it's put as a QOTW, it'll be something nobody even heard, like at all... --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]

Let's go easy on the polls too, i think it's pretty clear most people hear "wait", and the only other important one left is this one, "I'd" vs "I'll". Everything else is quite audible. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:48, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

== Firebert ==

Do we want Firebert listed in the cast list? I added him before, but was it removede for a reason? Is that even Firebert or just The Cheat in black? {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 04:55, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:Doesn't quite look like Firebert to me. Note the text shirt and the mask. It's a cat burglar The Cheat, not Firebert. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Yep. Another Other Costume. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 04:59, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Definately not firebert. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:08, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::::Yeah I *just* noticed the discussion. I was just re-reverting some changes that apparently got lost in the meelee. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:09, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

== What Place? ==
Should we make a name for that room with the portrait and unicorn thing? I think it might be in homestar's house, with the moose lamp. {{User:Salty/sig}} 05:12, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:Or it could be in a trailer, like SB said. Makes sense, 'cause the place looks "trailer-like." {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:16, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::I think the trailer room may just be imaginary a place made up specifically for this Sbemail and has no real owner. Though I could be wrong, my second guess would be that its Homestar's Den, and my third guess being Strong Bad's Den, with stolen property from Homestar's Den. Either way, it looks like a Den. [[User:Veluet|Veluet]] 15:36, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I don't think it's Homestar's house, and I don't think the voice we hear is the voice of Homestar. I don't think I've ever heard him sound like that. The whole thing appears to be a doublewide trailer of some nobody who has a speech impediment that is slightly reminiscent of Homestar's. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:11, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::::It reminds me of the basement in SB's main page to me, what with the unicorn poster. Anyway, add it as "The Trailer" or whatever to "Places Strong Bad has made up". --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
:::::The voice is a reference to [[caper]], where Homestar, in that voice (because it's early in the morning, and he's groggy), says "thanks for breaking my cow lamp." I can't decide whether it's a trailer or a den. It looks like a trailer, but why would Homestar's mayching lamp be there? --{{User:Salty/sig}} 00:01, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::Hello, gentlemen?! Homestar doesn't ''have'' a moose lamp. This is an imaginary reality, ''if'' Homestar lived in a trailer and had black-velvet and blacklight posters on his wall which he threw beer bottles at. It's a place Strong Bad made up (though I don't think it should actually go in [[Places Strong Bad Made Up]]; it's not... place-like enough for that). —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:38, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::::If he can have a cow lamp, he can have a moose lamp. {{User:Salty/sig}} 02:19, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::Considering the walls looks similar to Strong bads room, and that poster was in there on the main page for his room, isn;t it safe to say it's the same place? Darthvader66 Dec. 8, 2:21 AM

== Hyphens or no? ==

I'm seeing a couple different spellings of a new word: "keyswordtar" and "key-sword-tar". Which should we use? I'm all for using compounds rather than hyphens (but that's what you'd expect for a German-speaker). What do y'all think? [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] [[Image:heimstern101.gif|22px]] 06:00, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
: Whichever one we use, we should be consistent, as we are currently not. I like the hyphens myself but don't care enough one way or the other, so long as we're consistent. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:02, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::I originally transcribed it ''with'' the hyphens because he seemed to be inventing a word and emphasizing each syllable in a tmesis similar to "fan-freaking-tastic". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:03, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Well, I'm not sure I hear it that way, but I'm fine with standardizing that way anyway, since both you and Jay seem to like it that way. (Too many clauses that ended in "way"!) [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] [[Image:heimstern101.gif|22px]] 06:14, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
I vote hyphens. {{User:Salty/sig}} 00:03, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::::I way like the hyphens way.     (Yay!) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:39, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
I key-vote-tar for hyphens as well. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:01, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

== Shellbra- Zelda? ==

I was watching the email and heard strong bad refer to "Princess Shellbra" and it made me think about the Legend of Zelda character Princess Zelda, I think you can tell why. I looked on the Wiki page, but it wasn't there. should we add it, or no?

:I don't think so. too broad. and sign your posts--{{User:Benol/sig}} 12:23, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah. It's a little of a stretch. -[[User:Grabboarm700|Grabboarm700]]

:::Definitely not. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

If this is a reference to anything, I'd think it'd be a reference to [[Wikipedia:The Little Mermaid|The Little Mermaid]]. Mermaids wearing shells over their chests is nothing new, but Disney popularized that style in this movie. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:32, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:I don't consider it a reference to anything. {{User:Salty/sig}} 00:04, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Speaking of good ol' Shellbra, did anybody else catch this- Shellbra. Shell Bra. As in, shells for a... well... --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
::I think pretty much everyone noticed that. But it's definately not a Zelda referance. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:18, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

:::Oh, I know that... I'm just saying, is all... I didn't catch it at first, so... yeah... --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]

== Star Wars? ==

I noticed that the picture Strong Bad drew/made at the end has a robot foot. Would this be a reference to Star Wars, or is it a stretch? -[[User:Grabboarm700|Grabboarm700]]

:Big stretch. — [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 16:20, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

::Robot foot? That reminds me of one of the characters from the Sonic the Hedgehog comic series - a partially-roboticized rabbit (forgot her name). That said, big stretch. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 16:57, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::For reference, her name, I believe, was Bunny Rabbot. And it's very much a stretch. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::Ah, right, Bunnie Rabbot (spelled with an -ie, not a -y). Personally, despite the fact that I hated her voice, I really liked that character in the Sat-Am cartoon series (based on the comic). {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:34, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

it's obviously the [['Lectric Boots]]. they look tottaly like it. he would put it there cuase' he thought it was awesome.[[User:Jibney|Jibney]] 02:23, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:Nah, the robot foot he was wearing here was more square-er, and had spikes on it. --{{User:Salty/sig}} 02:26, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
::Strong Bad does seem to have an affinity for Robotic Footwear though, as evidence with the 'Lectric Boots and Stinkoman's Robot Boots. Even 1-up wears Robotic Boots, but that may just be a continuation of style. -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 18:18, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

== Cardboard or wood? ==

The transcript mentions that the cutout in the end is made from cardboard, but when seen from the back, it looks like its made from wooden planks. --[[User:Eytanz|Eytanz]] 14:52, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:Sounds like an inconsistency in the cartoon. [[User:Veluet|Veluet]] 15:39, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::No, the cartoon is fine. It's the wiki transcript that needs fixing. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 16:16, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I went ahead and changed it since no-one seemed to shout out a dissenting opinion. --[[User:Eytanz|Eytanz]] 22:23, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

== More than meets the eye ==

I noticed that the Optimus Prime reference has been removed in favor of a more broad definition (Notably, just Transformers). With all due respect, it IS Optimus' head up there, but did we not want to be that specific? Just a thought. -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}}
:Is that specifically Optimus Prime, though? Are there no other Transformers that have that head? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 17:27, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::As far as I can tell, it is the original Optimus Prime from the old show. The other Autobots had similar, but distinctly different heads, while the Decepticons had slightly more angles and "evil" looks on thier faces. Hasboro may have used the head on other characters action figures since then, and I haven't seen the newer shows enough to guarantee that it is the only Transformer ever to have used that particular head. Anyway, it was just a thought. -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}}
:::Personally, I agree with you on this one, and I went ahead and added it back in (as a more specific example of the general reference). I'm not all that familiar with the Transformers universe, though, and I suspect neither are many of the people who'll read the article. But Optimus Prime was the first character I thought of when I saw that head, so it's probably correct. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 17:47, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::::Cool, cool. Non-depressing, cool. I agree whole-heartedly. The only other thing that came to mind was the original Power Rangers from their Megazord, but after checking for some pictures, it's just not the same. I think Optimus would be proud, to, uh, be attached to a graffitti tank...
::::Thanks for taking the time. Catch you later. -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 17:57, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::Should we just put "most likely Optimus Prime"? Because there is a small chance it could be someone else. Just in case. {{User:Salty/sig}} 00:12, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::This is probably not Optimus Prime, partially because of the lack of antennae on his head, but most importantly because this robot has what appears to be a mouth, and Prime has a faceplate. Perhaps putting "such as Optimus Prime" or "like Optimus Prime" would be more suitable. -[[User:nova81426|Nova81426]]

If that's Optimus Prime, then I'm Bob Hope: it looks absolutely NOTHING like Optimus Prime's head, rather it looks like just a generic Transformer. For the record, I am a huge Transformers fan, and can isolate the following differences:
# Optimus has no visible mouth; he has a faceplate. This Transformer has a mouth.
# Optimus has a large vertical grilled box that dominates his forehead. This Transformer does not.
# Optimus has a pair of antenna-rod things on the sides of his head, where his ears would be. This Transformer does not.

Here's visible proof, even: 
[http://www.seibertron.com/toys/fullsize.php?id=1&size=1&image=86 Optimus Prime toy] 
[http://www.seibertron.com/images/cartoon/01/60/OptimusPrime498-01.jpg Optimus Prime cartoon]

I am 175% positive that is not Optimus Prime, or even intended to be Optimus Prime. Considering how the Brothers Chaps approach everything, if it was supposed to be Optimus, then they would have drawn it to look exactly like him. I'm sure that if you look around, you could isolate a Tranformer that matches it, if not at least a dozen, minimum (hell, I could even ask my brother, who keeps track of that kind of thing much more than I do). Because of that, I would say that it's just supposed to be a generic Transformer.

And no, it doesn't look a thing like Megatron, either. :P --[[User:Spanky The Dolphin|Spanky The Dolphin]] 08:36, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

:Well Mr. Hope, upon reviewing the pictures you provided, the painting looks even more like Optimus to me than it did before. The "mouth" you describe on this painting looks like nothing more than a dent in his faceplate, and not something that would be big enough to even be a mouth. His forehead piece may have been too complex for the Brothers Chaps to include in The Cheat's stencil, and the antenna-rod things you describe are only apparent in the action figure, and that appears to be a little stylized. In the cartoon, they look kind of small and uncool. It is possible TBC based this simple little drawing off only the cartoon, determining the horns took away from the leader of the Autobots. Or maybe the drew it like this to stimulate some debate for them to read and laugh at. Who knows? Anyway, the page doesn't state that it is absoultely Optimus, but maybe we ought to put this in the STUFF Vote section.

:-{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 15:00, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

::Okay, now yay-hoo has changed it to Starscream. Guess what? That's right, it doesn't look a damn thing like Starscream, either. If anyone, I would say that it looks like Hound than like anyone else, but I'm not, because I think it's supposed to be generic.

And Jeff, for the record, Prime's antenna-rod things were often prominant in the cartoon. It's just that a lot of times the cartoon wasn't drawn very well. Here's an example from the movie:

[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Prime_dead.jpg The Death of Optimus]

And yes, that little dent is actually big enough to be a mouth. I'm frankly weary about putting it to a vote, simply due to the fact that it seeing the above makes me feel that there aren't very many people on this Wiki that are too familiar with Transformers.--[[User:Spanky The Dolphin|Spanky The Dolphin]] 16:41, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

: How about "reminiscent of Optimus Prime" as a compromise? {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:07, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[[Image:transformers.png|frame|[[portrait]], Optimus Prime, and Starscream]]
Someone keeps adding Starscream to the mix, but it is ''clearly'' not him. I see a vague similarity to Optimus, but the head ''is'' kinda generic. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:17, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah, I suppose that's good enough for me for the time being. --[[User:Spanky The Dolphin|Spanky The Dolphin]] 18:34, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I think the current phrasing ("the head resembles that of Optimus Prime") is good enough, but seeing these pictures side-by-side makes me think the earlier phrasing (where it just states "Transformers" and not a specific character) is the best way to go. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:42, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

:I think that ''(the head resembles that of Optimus Prime)'' has no place in this sentence. It does not resemble Optimus Prime anymore than the other Transformers. Anyone looking at that fact that did not know who Optimus was, would be mislead whereas anyone that know Optimus already know the reference is to the transformers. The stencil does not have anything horizontal to indicate the front mouthplate. If this was in STUFF I'd petition to have it removed for being '''patently false'''. I love Optimus, and he is perhaps the most well-known but the side-by-side comparison is compelling. I move to remove any specific refernce to Optimus. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:13, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::and as for the dent...no. It is and is supposed to be a mouth, let's not stoop to grasping at anything to make our case. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:15, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

::::Well then I'll just go ahead and change it to that, since I agree absolutely.--[[User:Spanky The Dolphin|Spanky The Dolphin]] 19:38, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I had never noticed that little sliver until I zoomed way in. It ''does'' look to me like there might be a nose and a mouth, which I suppose is where the Starscream connection comes from. I still think, however, that it's too generic to say it looks like anybody in particular. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:46, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

I looked at a lot of pictures on an image search, and decided that I don't think it's Optimus. If anyone, I'd say Starscream, but not Optimus. Hound, maybe. I'd leave it as is, where it doesn't specify any names. I'd leave off the part about Newgrounds' promotional sticker, though. --{{User:Salty/sig}} 02:37, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
:Odd coincidence... I was looking for images on Optimus Prime and ran across [http://www.homestarrunner.com/weenstuff/weenstuff36.html this]. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:13, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

::Very well, I concede the point. Sorry about causing all the headaches, but at least we got a good discussion out of this. Even with all of the picture evidence, my brain still jumps straight to Optimus when I see that sticker, but I see now that it's my mistake. I shouldn't try to make a fact published material unless I can find people who agree. I see now that I should use the "talk" method for this rather than the "post-it-and-see-what-people-think" method. Thanks for proving me wrong and correcting the site Spanky. I'll never doubt your Transformer knowledge again! -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 18:15, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

:::No need to apologize. :) That's what this is all about. We encourage you to be '''bold''' in your editing, so if you think an article would be improved by saying it looks like Optimus Prime or Starscream or whoever, go ahead and make the change. Just don't be surprised if the majority disagrees - this is by nature a democratic site. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

== Not Homestar ==

I really don't think that's Homestar's voice in the moose lamp gag. I think it's just the unspecified trashy owner of the unspecified trashy trailer. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:13, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
: In fact, considering the accent and the fact that it's a moose, the voice ''might'' be a reference to Bob and Doug McKenzie. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:17, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:I think it is. He's supposed to sound sleepy. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:He sounds exactly the same way that he sounds in [[caper]], where he says almost exactly the same line. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:26, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::Agreed - that's Homestar. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:05, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Most assuredly Homestar. What he's doin' in a double wide I do *NOT* know! -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]]
::::Perhaps we were given a glimpse into the abode of Mustachioed HSR! -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 19:13, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Well okay, but if that's Homestar then it would seem we have to accept the following:
# Homestar owns or rents a "fancy" doublewide trailer.
# Homestar has a portrait of Strong Bad holding a skunk hanging in his doublewide.
# Homestar has a cool portrait of a unicorn on a snowmobile hanging in his doublewide.
# Homestar keeps Cold Ones in his trailer.
# Strong Bad is impressed by something Homestar owns (he speaks favorably of the trailer and both pieces of art).
# Strong Bad passes up the opportunity to comment on all this. Ordinarily, he would be outwardly upset at having to admit Homestar owns or has done something cool, and would either change his opinion about said coolness or comment that Homestar has no business owning such things. Or maybe fall into despondency.
Based on everything we know about both of these characters, it just doesn't make any sense to me. Best I can figure is that it's the real owner of the doublewide using a Homestar quote to fit the situation (which happens around my house all the time, especially when anything happens with anything that's blue). And the accent really isn't quite right at the end of the quote.

I'm happy to be proven wrong ... somebody make sense out of all the above for me, please.

{{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 19:42, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:If this is a place in Strong Bad's imagination, then we don't HAVE to accept any of these things as facts. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:44, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:: But where do you draw the line? All kinds of things that appear only in a Strong Bad Email are reported on the wiki as "facts" of Free Country USA.
:: And the question still remains ... even if this is just his imagination, '''why is Strong Bad imagining Homestar being cool?''' It's so out of character. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 20:01, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

:: Uh, Bill ... I think you're over-brainin' this one. -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 19:53, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Agreed, same as the email where SB recalls emails that never really happened...ie Coach Z has neve been in a knife fight in the H*R universe, its was just SB high on soy sauce. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 19:56, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::::Sure, but your example doesn't create inconsistencies in the characters.
::::I'm not looking for perfect logic here; it ''is'' homestarrunner.com, after all! But it's hard to see TBC going so far outside the box consistency-wise for one little backreference. {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 20:01, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
::::: All right, how about this? Homestar was visiting someone who lives in a trailer, and he spent the night, and was so groggy he referred to it as "his" moose lamp when it really wasn't. Yes, I'm BSing a little, but ''was'' one little "backreference" whether it was Homestar saying it or not, and it sounded just like Homestar, so who are we to say otherwise? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:52, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:Jeez Bill, have you even watched [[caper]]? This is so completely obviously totally 100% surely Homestar! {{User:Salty/sig}} 00:16, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::I second Salty, that sounds A LOT like Homestar in caper. Here he says "Thanks for breaking my moose lamp." and in caper he says "Thanks for breaking my cow lamp.", it is a lot like it, so I think we need to just leave it as one of Homestar's Lines and have it be at Homestars house. I bet TBC just threw this in here for the very reason that weird people like us would argue about this, silly TBC. --StrongBaditude
::::: Breakin' lamps is an inside joke/running gag. The Cow Lamp in caper, The Cow Lamp again in garagle sale, now a moose lamp. It fits! {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:14, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Please see my [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:portrait&diff=211808&oldid=211771 comment] above, made before I had read this section. I've said it before, and this seems an appropriate place to say it again: things can reference multiple things. Thus this can be Homestar ''and'' Bob & Doug (though I really don't think they should get a Fun Fact). On the reality of what we're seeing, no, not everything we see in a sbemail is H*R-reality. (In fact I'd venture to say the ''majority'' of things we see are hypothetical!) We have the entire page [[Places Strong Bad Made Up]] as a result. This is one such place (although, as I said above, I don't think it should be added to the page). Strong Bad started hypothesizing about himself as a black velvet painting, then extended the speculation to the fact that it would hang in a double-wide; then as a nice touch we discover that the double-wide belongs to Trailer Homestar. Who carves things in walls (as opposed to [[Cool Things|painting them]]), sits around drinking cold ones, and chucks the bottles at the wall. (And, although the voice indicated grogginess in [[caper]], I think here it indicates the ravages of years of alcohol and hollerin' at his woman. Plus a current state of significant inebriation). Please do not, on the basis of these remarks, create a page for "Trailer Homestar" or the place. I simply offer them to ease Bill's character conflicts. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:19, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
: Wha-- where did all that come from?? --A weirded out {{User:Salty/sig}} 04:30, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::Abdiviklas is somewhat famous for replying in lengthly essays. Lengthly, but interesting. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 04:32, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::If you mean where'd the length come from, yeah, what Bubsty said. (I just started explaining, and felt it wouldn't be thoroughly explained until the point when I stopped.) If you mean where's the evidence for what I'm reading into it... I'm not sure I can explain it better without using even more words. Try watching the scene and then reading it again? —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 05:05, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I'm ready to let this one die, since I'm in a minority of one. I'll accept the voice as Homestar's, and just give up on trying to figure out why Strong Bad seems to be out of character. (And yes, I had seen [[caper]] before, and I did watch it again for comparison. I guess I just need to accept the fact that nothing I see in a sbemail counts as FCUSA "canon".) {{User:Bill Martinson/sig}} 18:14, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:Well, "nothing" is a pretty big word there. Let's just say you need to have several large grains of salt handy at all times. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:24, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::I don't really think it is Homestar; the voice was too deep. Then again, it could always be his shady drifter expression from [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]], which wasn't too long ago. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 19:04, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
No, it's surely his groggy voice. But Abdi, I meant I knew you liked long replies, but the alcoholic-trailer trash-yelling at his woman part, kinda frightened and confused me. No offense or anything, but I don't see how you derived all that from his tone of voice! {{User:Salty/sig}} 02:55, 7 December 2005 (UTC)!
:I think he derived a little from the cold one bottle hitting the lamp. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:Abdi was kidding- making a wild hypothesis and including trailer-trash stereotypes. Much like what Strong Bad was doing! But really, just because Homestar's voice wandered in at the opportune moment to reference Caper, that doesn't mean he owns the trailer or that the trailer exists. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 06:28, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

== Pointless and stupid, but... ==

I just had to say something about this... I wonder what TBC's inspiration for the picture with the skunk was. I seriously doubt it was either [[User:KieferSkunk|me]] or [[User:Skunk|Skunk]] here on the wiki, but that certainly would be cool if it was. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 01:08, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:Hm... maybe if Strong Bad catches a creature called a... "Bubsty," they could've modeled it after me! (C'mon TBC, do it do it do it!) {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:11, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::I dunno, I think a {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} would be an easy way to go. :) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 02:02, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::I don't even use my user name, but I doubt TBC will ever put a Houdin in the show. (For the record, that's NOT Houdini with out the I it's Jean Eugene Robert-HOUDIN (say Hoo-dan), a French magician.) It'd be cool if they do though! -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 15:03, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::::TBC have already used my username {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:50, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::Technically, they used it before you did, though... ;) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::::I think that's what he means. ;) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
:::::::I wonder if I'll get any royalties if The Cheat's half brother, "The Chort", turned up... {{User:The Chort/sig}} 21:00, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::You'd only get royalties from Coach Z, but he's used all his money on the ''Great for baby'' items. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:51, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

== First Appearance? ==
Is this the first appearance of Homestars SAAB lighter? For some reason I think I've seen him with a lighter before.
:Homestar may have had a lighter, but it wasn't the saab. This is the first saab appearance. And please sign your posts StrongBaditude. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 02:09, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

== Some More Paint ==
This may be a stretch - that's why I'm not posting it yet - but I think "some more paint" may be a reference to the [http://www.benjaminmoore.com ''Benjamin Moore''] paint company, which is probably the most ubiquitous brand out there. -- [[User:Terlet Brush|Terlet Brush]] 14:59, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:I think you're kind of reaching there. IF it was spelled "Some Moore Paint," I'd concede the point, but I think TBC just put it there to have two different paint jars. Nice try though. -{{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 15:09, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::Yup. Despite its ubiquity, I've never heard of it, and I suspect most outside the painting industry would be in the same boat. (If you forced me to name a paint brand, I'd say the word "Sherwin" was involved somehow? And it has that logo of the world with red paint getting poured over it, you know?) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 16:44, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::When I think paint I think John Madden saying, "Ace is the place" for all your painting needs. We are definitely a society that is completely victim to: advertising. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:53, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
Sherwin Williams doesn't make paint, but they sell it. {{User:Salty/sig}} 03:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

== Let there be lighter ==
It's true that Homestar's pulling out the Saab lighter in the Easter egg is similar to what the audience at a concert often does during slow songs, but it's hardly the first time that something like that has happened on the site... Does it need to be explained here? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:54, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:I still think mine was a usable explanation. You said it was hardly the first time it happened on the site. That is ''specifically'' why I think we need to keep it. Younger tweens watching the toon (or our wiki) may not know why Homestar pulled out the lighter; for all they know, he could've been trying to burn down Free, Country, USA! {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 20:07, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
::I disagree. The real-world explanation for pulling out a lighter like this may be useful for people to know, but I think it's more important to point out that it's part of a running gag on the site, and perhaps explain the practice in the running gag page. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:59, 6 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Now that you mention it, I think that this fun fact would fit in both locations (the article and the running gag page). {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 13:03, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
::::I'm not sure if y'all noticed it, but SAAB makes cars, just like BMW. Maybe that should be noted, the whole "The lighter, as per the running gag, is NORMALLY a BMW lighter, but in this email it is replaced with a SAAB lighter, and SAAB and BMW both make cars." as it's own, reworded fun fact. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
What Homestar did was a reference to the concert thing. I think we should put it on. {{User:Salty/sig}} 03:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
:Sounds like it's time to STUFF this item.

== Those stinkin umlauts... ==

*Should it be remarked that "Mästers" is pronounced incorrectly according to German grammar rules? (The reference was most likely German.)
-[[User: Kiwi|Kiwi]]
::We did it the first time Deutsch man was mentioned, when he mispronounced it, so we should have it here. {{User:Salty/sig}} 03:23, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

User:Darthvader66

Darthvader66 — Wed, 07 Dec 2005 06:46:11 GMT

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*note I've changed my name on the forum to Mr. KISS 66

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|[[Image:strong-bad-zone-full.gif]] || [[Image:strong-bad-zone-close.gif]] || [[StrongBadZone|Strong Bad Zone]] || '''Your Head A Splode!''' This fabulous shirt has a vivid red 3-D type image of Strong Bad's face on a black, 100% cotton pre-shrunk tee shirt. The caption on the front proclaims "Your Head A Splode". The back displays the name of the shirt - Strong Bad Zone.
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|[[Image:the-cheat-full.gif]] || [[Image:the-cheat-close.gif]] || [[The Cheat]] || '''Everyone's Favorite Little Yellow Guy!''' The front of this quality 100% cotton preshrunk T-shirt features The Cheat in all his glory and the website address is printed on the back.
|-
|[[Image:hstarrfull.jpg]] || [[Image:HStarRcloseup.jpg]] || [[Homestar Runner|HStarR]] ||
|-
|[[Image:cheat-commandos-full.gif]] || [[Image:cheat-commandos-close.gif]] || [[Cheat Commandos]] || '''Buy All Our Playsets and Toys!''' Reynold, Fightgar, Gunhaver, Firebert and Silent Rip - all on a cool navy blue 100% cotton preshrunk tee shirt. The Cheat Commandos slogan "Rock, Rock On!! is printed on the back of the shirt!
|-
|[[Image:tgs-full.gif]] || ''Not available'' || [[Teen Girl Squad]] || '''Check out the Fashions of Teen Girl Squad''' They're all here...Cheerleader, So and So, What's Her Face and The Ugly One. Choose from two different girly shirt styles: spaghetti strap or baby doll with black cap sleeves. Also available in regular t-shirts and 3/4 length sleeve shirts for the guys.
|-
|[[Image:homestarlitefull.jpg]] || [[Image:homestarliteclose.jpg]] || Homestar Lite || '''Homestar Lite'''
Here's a brand new Homestar style - Homestar prancing on a white shirt with a pale blue star background. Regular cut t-shirts are 100% cotton in sizes Youth Large through Adult Triple Extra Large. The baby doll style for the ladies is Medium/One Size which fits sizes 0-8. The back of this shirt is blank.
|-
|[[Image:star-full.gif]] || [[Image:star-close.gif]] || Star Shirt || '''Wear a Star!!!'''
This is a Big Red Shirt with a Big White Star!! The web address is printed on the back.
|-
|[[Image:homsar-shirt.png]] || [[Image:homsar_shirt_logo_back.PNG]] || [[Homsar]] - Raised by Coffee || We are putting the Homsar - Raised by Cup of Coffee shirt on hiatus. It will be available again later on this year.
|-
|[[Image:coachz-shirt.png]] || [[Image:coachz-shirt-detail.png]] || [[Coach Z]] ''Discontinued'' || This is a "limited time only" shirt and the only available size is Triple Extra Large. The back of this shirt is blank. Printed on a heavyweight 50/50 blend t-shirt of Kelly Green. For t-shirt dimensions, please see the "Sizing Information" section of our store.
|-
|[[Image:limozeen-shirt.gif]] || ''Not available'' || [[Limozeen]] ''Discontinued'' || Proclaim your allegiance to METAL! Now you can own a shirt featuring Strong Bad’s favorite metal band – Limozeen!! These recently discovered unsold concert tees are from their triumphant 2001 "Zeenin’ Across the Country" tour. This groundbreaking odyssey of rock included stops in Pantsburg, Loughleyton, Dempsey, and Broiter Grove, among other landmark concert sites, all listed on the back of this collectors item! (babydoll sizes don't have the list of concert sites on the back) Don’t wait – get yours today!!
|}

====Polo Shirts====
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! Shirt !! Close-up !! Name !! Description
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|[[Image:trogdorpolofull.gif]] || [[Image:trogdorpolocloseup.gif]] || Trogdor Polo Shirt || '''Trogdor Polo Shirt''' The Trogdor polo is fast becoming the shirt of choice for cube dwellers on Business Casual Fridays! (or as Strong Bad calls it "Biz Cas Fri")
|}

====Hooded Sweatshirts====
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! Shirt !! Close-up !! Name !! Description
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|[[Image:trogdorhoodiefull.gif]] || [[Image:trogdorhoodiecloseup.gif]] || Trogdor Hooded Sweatshirt || '''Burninate the Countryside'''
|-
|[[Image:homestarhoodiefull.gif]] || [[Image:homestarhoodiecloseup.gif]] || Homestar Runner Hooded Sweatshirt || '''Homestar Runner Hooded Sweatshirt''' Homestar Runner running across your chest on a navy blue hooded sweatshirt...what could be better?
|-
|[[Image:strongbadhoodiefull.gif]] || [[Image:strongbadhoodiecloseup.gif]] || Strong Bad Hooded Sweatshirt || '''Strong Bad Hooded Sweatshirt!'''
This is a black hooded sweatshirt with a full-color image of Strong Bad in his famous "check me out" pose.
|-
|[[Image:thecheathoodiefull.gif]] || [[Image:thecheathoodiecloseup.gif]] || The Cheat Hoodie || '''The Cheat Hooded Sweatshirt'''
The little yellow man on a black hooded sweatshirt!
|-
|[[Image:tgshoodiefull.gif]] || [[Image:tgshoodiecloseup.gif]] || Teen Girl Squad Hoodie! || '''Teen Girl Squad Hoodie!!''' This hooded sweatshirt comes in fashionable black to get you through the winter months in style. It features a white image of the entire Teen Girl Squad. Available in sizes Adult Medium through Adult XXXL. (Sorry, size Small is sold out).
|}

====Currently not available====
*[[Limozeen]]
*Strong Bad's Mask
*[[Crazy Go Nuts University]]
*[[Marshie]]
*[[Strong Sad]]
*[[Pom Pom]]
*[[Coach Z]]'s Z
*[[Bubs]]
*[[Homsar]] — Raised by Cup of Coffee
*Homestar Classic
*Homestar Running
*[[Marzipan]] shirt

===Accessories===
====Baseball Caps====
[[Image:baseballcaps.gif]][[Image:homestarrunner_1865_3222713.gif]][[Image:homestarrunner_1865_3247634.gif]] 
'''Take 'Em Out to the Ball Park!''' Our baseball caps are high-quality Yupoong brand hats with six panels and a rounded athletic shape. No crappy adjustable plastic snaps here, our hats feature a "FlexFit" inner sweatband. (Sorry ladies, there is no hole in the back of these hats for pulling pony-tails through). (Holes are only availible in the Trogdor baseball caps.)

====Beanie Caps====
[[Image:trogdor-beanie.jpg]] 
'''Stylish Beanie Caps!!''' These are Head-To-Toe brand knit caps with embroidery on the "fold up" part of the hat. Choose black with Strong Bad's mask, navy featuring Homestar's grinning face or black with the burninator himself, TROGDOR!

====Messenger Bags====
[[Image:messengerbags.gif]] 
'''Stow All Your Stuff In These Great Messenger Bags!!'''
Our messenger bags are made of durable polyester. Featuring a roomy main compartment and a smaller half pocket plus, a secret zippered compartment. Adjustable 2-inch shoulder strap and one front adjustable clasp closure. Navy Blue with Homestar, Gray with The Cheat or Strong Bad and Black with Trogdor.

====Tote Bag====
[[Image:homestarrunner_1865_3519408.jpg]] 
These sturdy canvas bags were so popular when we sold them at Dragon*Con that we decided to make them available online for a '''Limited Time Only!''' Features the Teen Girl Squad on the front and the speech balloon "i have a crush on every boy" on the back. Makes a great book bag or gym bag. Get this limited edition bag for just $10!

The bag is made of 100% cotton canvas with two black polyester straps. Dimensions: 14" Wide x 15" High

===Toys===
====Kick The Cheat====
[[Image:The Cheat doll.jpg|150px|Give it a good kick in The Cheat!]] 
 
'''KICK THE CHEAT IS BACK!'''

Back by popular demand, the '''KICK THE CHEAT''' is here at last! This soft, huggable plush image of The Cheat is 11" high, 13" wide and 30" around. He's equipped with a voice box, so whenever he's kicked or struck, he screams four different exclamations in his native language of The Cheat

Don't forget our other toys! 
Series #1 Figurines includes nine popular characters: Homestar, Marzipan, Strong Bad, Strong Mad, Strong Sad, The Cheat, Pom-Pom, Bubs, and Coach Z*.

Series #2 Figurines includes: The Poopsmith, Homsar and The King of Town as well as Homestar (Running) and Strong Bad (Megaphone and BucketHand).

<nowiki>*</nowiki>Warning! Choking Hazard - Small parts. Not for children under 3 years.
====Collectible Figurines====
[[Image:figuresets.gif]] [[Image:commandos figurines small.PNG]] 
(1st set out on July 15, 2003; 2nd set out as of June 7, 2004.)
*'''Set One:''' [[Strong Sad]], [[Pom Pom]], [[Marzipan]], [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]], [[The Cheat]], [[Strong Mad]], [[Bubs]], and [[Coach Z]].
**The box for Set One includes a black and white Strong Bad and Homestar, with the words "homestar runner figurines" at the top in curved letters. The top, left corner features the "[[Cheap as Free]]" logo, and the right corner features the words "Fairly Collectible!"
*'''Set Two:''' [[The King of Town]], Homestar Running, Buckethand Strong Bad (from [[new hands]]), [[The Poopsmith]], and [[Homsar]].
*'''Cheat Commandos Figurines:''' [[Gunhaver]], [[Fightgar]], [[Silent Rip]], [[Crackotage]], [[Firebert]], [[Reynold]], [[Blue Lazer]]. Goes along with free downloadable [[Playsets]].

===CD/DVDs===
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|[[Image:dvddisc4.jpg]] || [[strongbad_email.exe Disc Four|Strong Bad Emails — Disc 4]] || '''Strong Bad Emails Disc 4!!'''
This DVD includes Strong Bad Emails 101-130. Remember "Crying" featuring Li'l Brudder, "Virus" marking the tragic demise of the Compy, "Best Thing" introducing the Limozeen cartoon show? They're all on this DVD plus many, many more of your favorite Strong Bad Emails!

'''Disc 4 includes:'''
* Strong Bad Emails 101 - 130!
* Over 2 hours of Emails with all of the hidden scenes and easter eggs intact!
* One previously unreleased Email plus two new karaoke videos!
* Lots of puppet action, commentaries and other bonus stuff!
* Region FREE so it'll play in DVD players all over the world!
* Disc 4 is sold individually and will not be part of a future boxed set
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|[[Image:dvd3discset.gif]] || [[strongbad_email.exe|Strong Bad Emails — 3 Disc DVD Set]] || '''Strong Bad Emails 3 Disc Boxed Set includes:'''
* Emails 1-100 with all of the hidden pop-ups and easter eggs
* 3 previously unreleased emails and 4 Karaoke videos
* Commentaries by the creators
* Lots of puppet stuff and behind the scenes footage
* Region Free
|-
|[[Image:Strong Bad Sings CD.png]] || [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits|Strong Bad Sings CD]] || '''Strong Bad CD'''
The CD features extended versions of your favorite Strong Bad hits such as “TROGDOR,” “The System is Down” and “The Cheat is Not Dead” plus many, many more. Also includes songs by Limozeen, Coach Z, Marzipan and other characters. Total of 20 tracks in all.

Each CD cover is adorned with Strong Bad’s own original artwork and a free Limozeen sticker is included with the liner notes.

Produced by the brothers chaps and Y-O-U
|}

===2-Dimensional Stuff===
====Posters====
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! Poster !! Name !! Description
|-
|[[Image:everybody-poster.PNG|200px]] || [[Everybody Everybody Poster]] ||
Our "everybody! everybody!" poster depicts all of your favorite characters crammed into the borders of Strong Badia.
|-
|[[Image:hrposter1.jpg|200px]] || [[Homestar and Strong Bad Poster|Homestar Poster]] ||
The Homestar and Strong Bad poster depicts everyone's two favorite characters against the colorful background of Free Country USA.
|}

====Patches====
[[Image:patches.jpg]] 
'''New Embroidered Patches''' There are five colorful 3" sew-on Patches in a set featuring...Colonel Homestar Runner of the [[Homestarmy]], [[Dangeresque]] and his cool, cool glasses, the official seal of The Cheat, Homsar's genuine "Raised by Coffee" logo, and the membership patch for the Trogdor Hi-Score club.

====Static Clings====
[[Image:staticclings.jpg]] 
'''Get All the Static Cling Stickers''' This here is a variety Pack of Static Cling Stickers featuring one each of...Homestar Runner, Strong Bad, The Cheat and Trogdor!! These durable images, designed to be displayed on the inside of windows, are printed on clear vinyl and are easily removable.

====Bumper Stickers====
[[Image:bumperstickers.gif]] 
'''Bumper Stickers''' Now you can have a Variety Pack of Bumper Stickers featuring one (1) each of Homestar Runner, Strong Bad, Trogdor the Burninator and the Teen Girl Squad!!

===To Be Released===
*[[HRStore:homestarcircle.html|Homestar Circle]]
*[[HRStore:litandstbads.html|Limozeen T-Shirt and Strong Bad Sings CD Combo]]

===Freebies===
With a certain amount of money paid for your order, you get a freebie, or a free piece of merchandise.
*Orders less than $25.00—Mini-Freebie

**A free double-sided drink coaster.
::[[Image:mini-freebie_coaster.JPG|225px|Homestar is Heads; Strong Bad is Tails!!]]
*Orders $25.00–$49.99—Big Freebie
**A sturdy key ring with a colorful vinyl adornment displaying one of several memorable images.
***There are two varieties:
::[[Strongbadia]] [[Stop Sign]] [[Image:sb keychain front.jpg|60px]] [[Image:sb keychain back.jpg|60px]]
::[[Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)|Homestar Runner]] Star Logo [[Image:hsrkeychainfront.jpg|60px]] [[Image:hsrkeychainback.jpg|60px]]
[[Image:sb freebie patch.gif]]
*Orders $50.00–$74.99—Jumbo Freebie
**Free Strong Bad sew-on patch.

*Orders $75.00–$99.99—Ultimate Freebie
**Free set of Series 1 Figurines.

*Orders $100.00 or more—Ultimate Jumbo Freebie
**Both the Series 1 and Series 2 Figurines.

== Other Places To Buy ==

===Local Business Area Stores===
According to [[HRStore:reop.html|this page]], independent comic book, music/video, and other specialty shops now have an opportunity to sell H*R merchandise (The Brothers Chaps say that they must never have a sale on the products or have the prices lower than TBC have them marked, to keep sales good). Find them with the [[HRStore:storelocator.html|store locator]].

===Froogle Search===
If you search for [http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=Homestar+Runner Homestar Runner] at [http://froogle.google.com Froogle], you can see H*R products being sold at various other stores.

===Magazines===
Homestar merchandise also turns up in the occasional issue of Previews Magazine (limited on-line version can be seen [http://previews.diamondcomics.com here]), which lists upcoming items available for purchase through local comic stores.

===DragonCon===
[[Image:Comic Con.jpg|thumb|Some seriously nerdy stuff]]
According to [[HRStore:hoatcoco.html|this page]], merchandise will be available for sale at booth #101 in the Exhibitor's Hall for all 4 days of [http://www.dragoncon.org/ DragonCon] in Atlanta, Georgia. The Homestar Runner booth will be staffed by [[The Brothers Chaps|the Brothers Chaps]], [[Don_and_Harriet_Chapman|the Family Chaps]], and other members of the Homestar crew. Expect puppet appearances and never-before-seen toons. Future events similiar to those listed on the page will surely follow.

 

== Easter Eggs ==
*If you click the 'D' on the sign on top of [[Bubs' Concession Stand]] on the bottom of the page Homestar Runner will run up, do the dance he did in [[Lookin at a Thing in a Bag]], and leave.

*The time of day at Bubs' changes according to your computer's clock.
**4:00 a.m. – 6:00 a.m. — Sunrise
**6:00 a.m. – 5:00 p.m. — Day
**5:00 p.m. – 7:00 p.m. — Sunset (same as sunrise)
**7:00 p.m. – 4:00 a.m. — Night

*After you buy something, you are taken to [https://secure.homestarrunner.com/heythanks.html a thank you page]. During the day, or any time before midnight, one of three scenes is seen. It is currently unknown what causes the different videos to appear, but it has been speculated that it is based on the number of times the thank you page has been accessed, the time on your clock, or it could be random. The scenes will be darkened in the evening, but otherwise unchanged.
** The first "day" scene shows [[Bubs]] at his [[Bubs' Concession Stand|Concession Stand]].
**: '''BUBS:''' Hey, thanks for buying my junk! Oh! ''{places a sign on the stand that says "THANK YOUS $5"}'' That'll be five dollars!
** The second shows [[Strong Bad]] in a room filled with money, holding a glass of wine.
**: '''STRONG BAD:''' Thank you for all your money, er, business. All your business... that you gave us. ''{holds up a cigar}'' The Cheat? Another extremely expensive light, please. ''{[[The Cheat]] comes in from the side of the screen, with a lit pile of money, and lights the cigar with it.}''
** The third shows [[Homestar Runner]] in [[The Field]].
**: '''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Ahem! ''{singing}'' I want to thank you for your purchase, toniiiiight, todaaaay! A-thank you!
**: '''MARZIPAN:''' ''{walking on with [[Carol]]}'' Okay Homestar, I'm ready to record the thank you song.
**: '''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Ah, too late, go away.
**: '''MARZIPAN:''' ''{upset}'' All right, broken up.
**At night (after midnight and before 5 AM), it always shows [[Homestar's House]], unlit. Homestar walks in in pajamas, with his cinnamon beard.
**:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{yawn}'' Oh, hi there. We appreciate you buying stuff from us and everything, but um, ''{yawn}'' you should really get to bed.
**If you go to the link without buying anything, it shows the Mozilla "missing plugin" icon that says "After installing the plugin, click here." Strong Bad arrives.
**: '''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, thought you could sneak in the back door, eh? Why don't you buy something?
**It will load the store front page after the scene is over. To see the different scenes, set your system clock between midnight and 5AM (or if already set there, between 5AM and midnight) then click on your back button. This can be done multiple times, just keep changing the clock and going back. (Note: the same scene will always play when your clock is set between midnight and 5AM as stated above)

== Fun Facts ==
===Trivia===
*From left to right, the T-shirts play the notes A, B, C-sharp, D-sharp, G-sharp, A-sharp, C, C-sharp, D-sharp, E, and F-sharp. You play songs by moving your mouse over shirts.
*While loading the musical shirt selection, a message flashes, reading "loading shirtfun".
*While loading a "Thank-you" message, a loading screen appears reading "load 'er up".
*The Kick The Cheat plush toy was not available for purchase for a five-month period beginning 12 April 2005.

===Inside References===
*The Store Locator on the new store features The United States and Canada in white underwear, a reference to [[weird dream]].
*The store's footer at the bottom of the store is Bub's "checkitout" dance from [[Lookin at a Thing in a Bag]]

===Goofs===
*In the Store Locator, Wisconsin is spelled "Wisonsin"

===Real-World References===
*"Wide-Mart and Lackluster Video and Music," mentioned in [[HRStore:reop.html|Retail Opportunities]], are [[Wikipedia:Wal-Mart|Wal-Mart]] and [[Wikipedia:Blockbuster Video|Blockbuster Video]] takeoffs.
*Under the "T-Shirts!!" section, it reads "Grab an ice cold "H STAR R" or a great tasting "HOMESTAR LITE" A new twist on some old favorites! (They're even better than Coke with lime!)". [[Wikipedia:Coca-Cola with Lime|Coke with lime]] is a new flavor of Coca-Cola with the catchphrase "a little twist on a great thing".
*The "Thank You" page's page title is "Thank you so much for to buying our crap!" This is a reference to the phrase Mario says at the end of [[Wikipedia:Super Mario 64|Super Mario 64]]: "Thank you so much for to playing my game!"

== External Links ==
*[[HRStore:|Visit the store]]
*[[HR:storeflash/bubsfooter.swf|View the footer at the bottom of the store]]
*[[HR:storeflash/bubspromo.swf|View the promotional message about more "junk"]]
*[[HR:storeflash/sbpromo.swf|View the promotional message about "this other crap"]]
*[[HR:storeflash/cheatpromo.swf|View The Cheat's promotional message]]
*[[HR:storeflash/hspromo.swf|View the promotional message about "this other stuff that you like"]]
*[[HR:storeflash/tshirts.swf|View the musical T-shirt selection]]
*[http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://store.yahoo.com/homestarrunner/ View archived versions of the store from 2001-2004]
[[Category:Special Pages]]
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Darthvader66: /* T-Shirts */

[[Image:newhrstore.png|thumb|right|220px|Homestore Runner!]]
The '''Store''' is where you can buy Homestar Merchandise. [[The Brothers Chaps]] say that this is the reason H*R can remain free of all advertising.

'''Page Title:''' All Types of Crazy Crap
== Front Page ==
===October 17, 2005===
[[Image:Homestarrunner_1868_1005262.gif]] [[Image:Homestarrunner_1868_760127.gif]][[Image:Homestarrunner_1868_1005262.gif]]

'''HERE COMES LI'L BRUDDER!'''

He'll scrape right along and right into your heart! Li'l Brudder first appeared in the Strong Bad email "crying" and now he's appearing on his very own shirt! This white, 100% cotton tee is available in Youth Large and Adult Sizes Small through XXXL. Also available in Ladies' Baby Doll Medium. Please wear with caution as the sight of Li'l Brudder has been known to cause uncontrollable crying. Click here to order.

'''BUY ALL OUR PLAYSETS* AND TOYS!'''

The new Cheat Commandos toys are here! These colorful, vinyl figurines stand approx. 2 inches high and have been artistically designed down to the tiniest detail. Each set includes the most popular Cheat Commandos characters: Gunhaver, Fightgar, Crackotage, Silent Rip, Firebert and Reynold, plus the Blue Laser Commander figurine. '''[[HRStore:horufi.html|Click here]]''' to buy yours today!

<nowiki>*</nowiki> No need to buy the playsets, click [[HR:playsets.html|here]] to download free cutout playsets. For best results, print on photo paper or cardstock.

'''COMING SOON!'''

Before Thanksgiving we'll be releasing a '''NEW DVD''' containing all the Short Cartoons, the Teen Girl Squad cartoons, Puppet Shorts and Much More! Keep watching our store for details.

'''YOU MAKE IT HAPPEN!'''

Our website is made possible by fans like you. Each order helps cover our operating expenses and helps keep homestarrunner.com Ad Free! Thanks for your support!

===October 2, 2005===
[[Image:commandos figurines large.PNG]]

'''<big>BUY ALL OUR PLAYSETS* AND TOYS!</big>'''

The new Cheat Commandos toys are here! These colorful, vinyl figurines stand approx. 2 inches high and have been artistically designed down to the tiniest detail. Each set includes the most popular Cheat Commandos characters: Gunhaver, Fightgar, Crackotage, Silent Rip, Firebert and Reynold, plus the Blue Laser Commander figurine. '''[[HRStore:horufi.html|Click here]]''' to buy yours today!

* No need to buy the playsets, click [[HR:playsets.html|here]] to download free cutout playsets. For best results, print on photo paper or cardstock.

Don't forget, we still have Teen Girl Squad Tote bags and Trogdor baseball caps for sale.

'''[[HRStore:totebag.html|Click Here]]''' to order the Teen Girl Squad Tote Bag.

'''[[HRStore:trbaca.html|Click Here]]''' to order the Trogdor Baseball Hat.

'''<big>COMING SOON!</big>'''
This Fall we'll be introducing a lot of new products! We'll have a '''NEW DVD''' containing all the Short Cartoons, the Teen Girl Squad cartoons, and a bunch of other stuff. Plus '''Strong Bad Polos''' and '''Li'l Brudder Shirts''' just to name a few. Keep watching our store for details.

'''YOU MAKE IT HAPPEN!'''

Our website is made possible by fans like you. Each order helps cover our operating expenses and helps keep homestarrunner.com Ad Free! Thanks for your support!
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===September 26, 2005===
'''<big>New Trogdor Hats and Teen Girl Squad Bag!</big>'''

We sold these items at Dragon*Con and they were a big hit! For a limited time only, you can order these products online for just '''$10!''' But hurry, once these are gone we won't be re-stocking them so get yours today!

'''[[HRStore:totebag.html|Click Here]]''' to order the Teen Girl Squad Tote Bag.

'''[[HRStore:trbaca.html|Click Here]]''' to order the Trogdor Baseball Hat.

'''<big>COMING SOON!</big>'''

This Fall we'll be introducing a lot of new products! We'll have a '''NEW DVD''' containing all the Short Cartoons, the Teen Girl Squad cartoons, and a bunch of other stuff. '''Cheat Commandos <s>Toys</s> Figurines''' will also be hitting our shelves soon. Plus '''Strong Bad Polos''' and '''Li'l Brudder Shirts''' just to name a few. Keep watching our store for details.

[[Image:commandos_tease.jpg|This teaser for the toys was added on September 28th]]

'''YOU MAKE IT HAPPEN!'''

Our website is made possible by fans like you. Each order helps cover our operating expenses and helps keep homestarrunner.com Ad Free! Thanks for your support!
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===September 22, 2005===
'''KICK THE CHEAT IS BACK!'''

Back by popular demand, the '''KICK THE CHEAT''' is here at last! This soft, huggable plush image of The Cheat is 11" high, 13" wide and 30" around. He's equipped with a voice box, so whenever he's kicked or struck, he screams four different exclamations in his native language of The Cheat. '''[[HRStore:kickcheat1.html|Click here]]''' to order.

'''COMING SOON!'''

This Fall we'll be introducing a lot of new products! We'll have a '''NEW DVD''' containing all the Short Cartoons, the Teen Girl Squad cartoons, Puppet Stuff and much more. '''Cheat Commandos Toys''' will also be hitting our shelves soon. Plus '''Teen Girl Squad Tote Bags''' and '''Li'l Brudder Shirts''' just to name a few. Keep watching our store for details.

'''YOU MAKE IT HAPPEN!'''

Our website is made possible by fans like you. Each order helps cover our operating expenses and helps keep homestarrunner.com Ad Free! Thanks for your support!
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===September 12, 2005===
'''KICK THE CHEAT IS BACK!'''

Back by popular demand, the '''KICK THE CHEAT''' is here at last! This soft, huggable plush image of The Cheat is 11" high, 13" wide and 30" around. He's equipped with a voice box, so whenever he's kicked or struck, he screams four different exclamations in his native language of The Cheat. '''[[HRStore:kickcheat1.html|Click here]]''' to order.

'''COMING SOON!'''

A '''NEW DVD''' containing all the Short Cartoons, all the Teen Girl Squad cartoons, Puppet Stuff and much more! Keep watching our store for details.

'''YOU MAKE IT HAPPEN!'''

Our website is made possible by fans like you. Each order helps cover our operating expenses and helps keep homestarrunner.com Ad Free! Thanks for your support!
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===August 22, 2005===
'''NEW TROGDOR BEANIE CAP!'''

The new TROGDOR beanie (pictured thrice above) is black with a color image of the Burninator himself embroidered on the "fold up" part of the cap. Now for the special introductory price of just '''$8.99!''' All our beanie caps are on sale in celebration of the newest member of our beanie cap family. '''[[HRStore:beaniecaps.html|Click Here to order.]]'''

'''DON'T FORGET OUR NEW STRONG BAD EMAILS DVD!! '''

This New DVD contains Emails 101 through 130. '''[[HRStore:stbademdvd.html|Click here]]''' to order Strong Bad Emails Disc 4 NOW!!
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===August 08, 2005===
'''EVERYTHING BUT THE KITCHEN SINK* SALE!!!'''

Click on the links below to go to all our fabulous sale items.

All '''[[HRStore:messengerbags.html|Messenger Bags]]''' are now just '''$23.99'''!

The '''[[HRStore:stbadsicd.html|Strong Bad Sings CD]]''' is only '''$8.99'''!

All '''[[HRStore:patches.html|Patches]]''', '''[[HRStore:beaniecaps.html|Beanie Caps]]''' and '''[[HRStore:posters.html|Posters]]''' are just '''$8.99''' each!

All Packs of '''[[HRStore:staticclings.html|Static Clings]]''' and '''[[HRStore:bumperstickers.html|Bumper Stickers]]''' are only '''$7.99''' each!

'''[[HRStore:horufi.html|Collectible Figurine Sets]]''' up to '''50% off!'''

<nowiki>*</nowiki>The kitchen sink = all apparel items, baseball caps and DVDs

'''DON'T FORGET OUR NEW STRONG BAD EMAILS DVD!!'''

This New DVD contains Emails 101 through 130. '''[[HRStore:stbademdvd.html|Click here]]''' to order Strong Bad Emails Disc 4 NOW!!
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===July 25, 2005===
'''HERE ARE SOME RANDOM QUOTES ABOUT THE NEW STRONG BAD EMAILS DVD!!!'''

"It's so good I want to keep it"
 -- "Little Girl"

"Meh"
 -- The Cheat

"..."
 -- The Poopsmith

'''[[HRStore:stbademdvd.html|Click here]]''' to order Strong Bad Emails Disc 4 NOW!!

'''DON'T FORGET ALL OF OUR NEW T-SHIRT DESIGNS'''

We've got Homestar Lite, H Star R, Strong Bad Head and StinkoMan 20X6. These are shirts you won't want to miss. '''[[HRStore:tshirts1.html|Click here]]''' to order one or more.
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===July 11, 2005===
'''REDESIGNED HOMESTAR RUNNER SHIRTS!!'''

[[HRStore:tshirts1.html|Check out]] our updated Homestar Runner shirts which we like to call "Homestar Lite" and "H Star R." These replace the White Homestar Classic shirt and the navy Homestar Running shirt. We think you'll like these redesigned shirts better.
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===June 24, 2005===
'''STRONG BAD'S FAMOUS MASK!'''

We now offer an inspiring close-up of Strong Bad's head, on a white, 100% cotton tee shirt with cool black "ringers" around the neck and arms. Get yours now for cool summer wear! [[HRStore:strongbadface.html|'''Click here''' to order!!]]

And don't forget - we're still featuring the new 20X6 Stinko Man Tee Shirt, inspired by the ever-enlarging Stinko Man game! [[HRStore:noname.html|'''Click here''' to order!!]]

'''LAST CHANCE!!'''

This is your last chance to purchase our White Homestar Classic and Navy Homestar Running shirts. We're discontinuing these shirts to make room for Brand New Homestar Styles! Less than one week left to buy Homestar Classic or Homestar Running. Don't miss 'em so [[HRStore:tshirts1.html|'''Click here''' to order!]]
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===May 23 – June 6, 2005===
'''STRONG BAD'S HANDSOME MUG!'''

Here is an inspiring close-up of Strong Bad's head, on a white, 100% cotton tee shirt with cool black "ringers" around the neck and arms. Get yours now for cool summer wear! [[HRStore:strongbadface.html|Click here]] to order!!

Coming soon - a girly shirt with black raglan cap sleeves, for all the lovely ladies who adore Strong Bad!!

'''INSPIRED BY THE STINKO MAN GAME!'''

Inspired by the 20X6 Stinko Man game, this cool red shirt is 100% preshrunk cotton and bears four images of the "20X6 Stinko Man" on the front and the "20X6" logo on one sleeve. Get yours now, and wear it while you play new levels!! [[HRStore:noname.html|'''Click here''' to order!!]]

'''MAY MADNESS HOODIE SALE!'''

Every Character...Every Size...At a Great Price! Only $25 for Small through Extra Large, $27 for XXL, $29 for XXXL. Buy one today and save it for next winter. [[HRStore:hoodieshoodies.html|'''Click here''']] to take advantage of these fantastic bargains.

'''EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY!'''

This is the poster you've been waiting for. All of your favorite characters are here from A, Arrow'd guy to Y, Yello Dello and everyone in between. This beautiful, full-color poster is truly a work of art and suitable for framing. [[HRStore:posters.html|'''Click here''' to order!!]]

'''SCALDING LAKE T-SHIRTS'''

You'll look rather dashing in a fabulous Scalding Lake t-shirt. [[HRStore:scaldinglake.html|'''Click here''' to order]] the finest apparel Peasantry has to offer!
Hint: In the set of t-shirts as you move your cusor over the shirts it will make either sounds in Do-Re-Mi in Homestar's voice.

== Products ==
===Clothing===
====T-Shirts====
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! Shirt !! Close-up !! Name !! Description !! Sizes
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| ''Not available'' || [[Image: Closeupoflilbruddershirt.GIF]] || [[Li'l Brudder]] || '''Get One Leg Up on Life!'''
On the front of this white 100% cotton tee, Li'l Brudder proudly proclaims, "I can make it on my own." The back of this shirt is blank.
|-
|[[Image:stinkoman-full.gif]] || [[Image:stinkoman-close.gif]] || [[Stinkoman 20X6|20X6 Stinko Man]] || '''20X6 Stinko Man Shirt!!!''' Inspired by the 20X6 Stinko Man game, this cool red shirt is 100% preshrunk cotton and bears four images of the "20X6 Stinko Man" on the front and the "20X6" logo on one sleeve. Get yours now, and wear it while you play new levels! ||
Baby Doll Medium ($19.00) 
Youth Large ($15.00) 
Small ($15.00) 
Medium ($15.00) 
Large ($15.00) 
Extra Large ($15.00) 
Double Extra Large ($16.00) 
Triple Extra Large ($17.00)
|-
|[[Image:stinkoman-blue-full.gif]] || [[Image:stinkoman-blue-close.gif]] || Stinkoman Blue Ringer Shirt || '''Double Deuce!!!''' If you’re up for a challenge or maybe some light fighting, then you need this shirt featuring Stinko Man in his famous “double deuce” pose. This Bayside brand shirt is 100% pre-shrunk cotton and has a blue collar and cuffs to match Stinko Man’s blue hair. Width and Length dimensions of each size are shown below. The back of this shirt is blank.
|-
|[[Image:scalding-lake-full.gif]] || [[Image:scalding-lake-close.gif]] || [[Scalding Lake]] || '''Where's My Cottage?''' You’ll be wondering where’s YOUR cottage when you wear this stylish Scalding Lake t-shirt. Sizes Youth Large through Adult XXXL are sand colored shirts made of 100% pre-shrunk cotton.
|-
|[[Image:sb-head.png]] || [[Image:sb-head-detail.png]] || [[Strong Bad]] Head || Here's Strong Bad's handsome face on a white 100% cotton Tee Shirt with Black "Ringers" around the neck and sleeves.
|-
|[[Image:marzipan-full.gif]] || [[Image:marzipan-close.gif]] || [[Marzipan]] ''discontinued'' || '''Marzipan T-shirt''' This red shirt featuring Marzipan is available in baby doll sizes Medium, Large and Extra Large. Also available in regular t-shirt sizes Adult Small and Medium. Red shirts made of 100% preshrunk cotton. The back of this shirt is blank.
|-
|[[Image:trogdor-black-full.gif]] || [[Image:trogdor-black-close.gif]] || [[Trogdor]] Black || '''Trogdor Burninates the Countryside!!''' This shirt is 100% preshrunk cotton and features Trogdor the Burninator in all his majesty. Available in a variety of Youth Sizes, Adult Sizes and Baby Doll Sizes. Click on the icons below for the size category that fits you best!
|-
|[[Image:trogdor-lite-full.gif]] || [[Image:trogdor-lite-close.gif]] || Trogdor Lite || '''Trogdor Lite''' This white shirt is 100% preshrunk cotton and features Trogdor the Burninator in all his majesty.
|-
|[[Image:duck-full.gif]] || [[Image:duck-close.gif]] || Duck Shirt || '''Duck Shirt''' Some folk will say you are a terrific athlete when you wear your very own Duck Shirt just like the one the Homestar Runner wears in Strong Bad email 100! This 100% preshrunk cotton shirt comes in lemon yellow for regular sizes and pastel lemon for the baby doll size. Blank on back.
|-
|[[Image:strong-bad-full.gif]] || [[Image:strong-bad-close.gif]] || [[Strong Bad]] || '''The Supreme Ruler of Strong Badia!''' This is a 100% preshrunk charcoal colored shirt with a full body image of Strong Bad. The back of this shirt features the web address www.homestarrunner.com
|-
|[[Image:strong-bad-zone-full.gif]] || [[Image:strong-bad-zone-close.gif]] || [[StrongBadZone|Strong Bad Zone]] || '''Your Head A Splode!''' This fabulous shirt has a vivid red 3-D type image of Strong Bad's face on a black, 100% cotton pre-shrunk tee shirt. The caption on the front proclaims "Your Head A Splode". The back displays the name of the shirt - Strong Bad Zone.
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|[[Image:the-cheat-full.gif]] || [[Image:the-cheat-close.gif]] || [[The Cheat]] || '''Everyone's Favorite Little Yellow Guy!''' The front of this quality 100% cotton preshrunk T-shirt features The Cheat in all his glory and the website address is printed on the back.
|-
|[[Image:hstarrfull.jpg]] || [[Image:HStarRcloseup.jpg]] || [[Homestar Runner|HStarR]] ||
|-
|[[Image:cheat-commandos-full.gif]] || [[Image:cheat-commandos-close.gif]] || [[Cheat Commandos]] || '''Buy All Our Playsets and Toys!''' Reynold, Fightgar, Gunhaver, Firebert and Silent Rip - all on a cool navy blue 100% cotton preshrunk tee shirt. The Cheat Commandos slogan "Rock, Rock On!! is printed on the back of the shirt!
|-
|[[Image:tgs-full.gif]] || ''Not available'' || [[Teen Girl Squad]] || '''Check out the Fashions of Teen Girl Squad''' They're all here...Cheerleader, So and So, What's Her Face and The Ugly One. Choose from two different girly shirt styles: spaghetti strap or baby doll with black cap sleeves. Also available in regular t-shirts and 3/4 length sleeve shirts for the guys.
|-
|[[Image:homestarlitefull.jpg]] || [[Image:homestarliteclose.jpg]] || Homestar Lite || '''Homestar Lite'''
Here's a brand new Homestar style - Homestar prancing on a white shirt with a pale blue star background. Regular cut t-shirts are 100% cotton in sizes Youth Large through Adult Triple Extra Large. The baby doll style for the ladies is Medium/One Size which fits sizes 0-8. The back of this shirt is blank.
|-
|[[Image:star-full.gif]] || [[Image:star-close.gif]] || Star Shirt || '''Wear a Star!!!'''
This is a Big Red Shirt with a Big White Star!! The web address is printed on the back.
|-
|[[Image:homsar-shirt.png]] || [[Image:homsar_shirt_logo_back.PNG]] || [[Homsar]] - Raised by Coffee || We are putting the Homsar - Raised by Cup of Coffee shirt on hiatus. It will be available again later on this year.
|-
|[[Image:coachz-shirt.png]] || [[Image:coachz-shirt-detail.png]] || [[Coach Z]] ''Discontinued'' || This is a "limited time only" shirt and the only available size is Triple Extra Large. The back of this shirt is blank. Printed on a heavyweight 50/50 blend t-shirt of Kelly Green. For t-shirt dimensions, please see the "Sizing Information" section of our store.
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|[[Image:limozeen-shirt.gif]] || ''Not available'' || [[Limozeen]] ''Discontinued'' || Proclaim your allegiance to METAL! Now you can own a shirt featuring Strong Bad’s favorite metal band – Limozeen!! These recently discovered unsold concert tees are from their triumphant 2001 "Zeenin’ Across the Country" tour. This groundbreaking odyssey of rock included stops in Pantsburg, Loughleyton, Dempsey, and Broiter Grove, among other landmark concert sites, all listed on the back of this collectors item! (babydoll sizes don't have the list of concert sites on the back) Don’t wait – get yours today!!
|}

====Polo Shirts====
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|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! Shirt !! Close-up !! Name !! Description
|-
|[[Image:trogdorpolofull.gif]] || [[Image:trogdorpolocloseup.gif]] || Trogdor Polo Shirt || '''Trogdor Polo Shirt''' The Trogdor polo is fast becoming the shirt of choice for cube dwellers on Business Casual Fridays! (or as Strong Bad calls it "Biz Cas Fri")
|}

====Hooded Sweatshirts====
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|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! Shirt !! Close-up !! Name !! Description
|-
|[[Image:trogdorhoodiefull.gif]] || [[Image:trogdorhoodiecloseup.gif]] || Trogdor Hooded Sweatshirt || '''Burninate the Countryside'''
|-
|[[Image:homestarhoodiefull.gif]] || [[Image:homestarhoodiecloseup.gif]] || Homestar Runner Hooded Sweatshirt || '''Homestar Runner Hooded Sweatshirt''' Homestar Runner running across your chest on a navy blue hooded sweatshirt...what could be better?
|-
|[[Image:strongbadhoodiefull.gif]] || [[Image:strongbadhoodiecloseup.gif]] || Strong Bad Hooded Sweatshirt || '''Strong Bad Hooded Sweatshirt!'''
This is a black hooded sweatshirt with a full-color image of Strong Bad in his famous "check me out" pose.
|-
|[[Image:thecheathoodiefull.gif]] || [[Image:thecheathoodiecloseup.gif]] || The Cheat Hoodie || '''The Cheat Hooded Sweatshirt'''
The little yellow man on a black hooded sweatshirt!
|-
|[[Image:tgshoodiefull.gif]] || [[Image:tgshoodiecloseup.gif]] || Teen Girl Squad Hoodie! || '''Teen Girl Squad Hoodie!!''' This hooded sweatshirt comes in fashionable black to get you through the winter months in style. It features a white image of the entire Teen Girl Squad. Available in sizes Adult Medium through Adult XXXL. (Sorry, size Small is sold out).
|}

====Currently not available====
*[[Limozeen]]
*Strong Bad's Mask
*[[Crazy Go Nuts University]]
*[[Marshie]]
*[[Strong Sad]]
*[[Pom Pom]]
*[[Coach Z]]'s Z
*[[Bubs]]
*[[Homsar]] — Raised by Cup of Coffee
*Homestar Classic
*Homestar Running
*[[Marzipan]] shirt

===Accessories===
====Baseball Caps====
[[Image:baseballcaps.gif]][[Image:homestarrunner_1865_3222713.gif]][[Image:homestarrunner_1865_3247634.gif]] 
'''Take 'Em Out to the Ball Park!''' Our baseball caps are high-quality Yupoong brand hats with six panels and a rounded athletic shape. No crappy adjustable plastic snaps here, our hats feature a "FlexFit" inner sweatband. (Sorry ladies, there is no hole in the back of these hats for pulling pony-tails through). (Holes are only availible in the Trogdor baseball caps.)

====Beanie Caps====
[[Image:trogdor-beanie.jpg]] 
'''Stylish Beanie Caps!!''' These are Head-To-Toe brand knit caps with embroidery on the "fold up" part of the hat. Choose black with Strong Bad's mask, navy featuring Homestar's grinning face or black with the burninator himself, TROGDOR!

====Messenger Bags====
[[Image:messengerbags.gif]] 
'''Stow All Your Stuff In These Great Messenger Bags!!'''
Our messenger bags are made of durable polyester. Featuring a roomy main compartment and a smaller half pocket plus, a secret zippered compartment. Adjustable 2-inch shoulder strap and one front adjustable clasp closure. Navy Blue with Homestar, Gray with The Cheat or Strong Bad and Black with Trogdor.

====Tote Bag====
[[Image:homestarrunner_1865_3519408.jpg]] 
These sturdy canvas bags were so popular when we sold them at Dragon*Con that we decided to make them available online for a '''Limited Time Only!''' Features the Teen Girl Squad on the front and the speech balloon "i have a crush on every boy" on the back. Makes a great book bag or gym bag. Get this limited edition bag for just $10!

The bag is made of 100% cotton canvas with two black polyester straps. Dimensions: 14" Wide x 15" High

===Toys===
====Kick The Cheat====
[[Image:The Cheat doll.jpg|150px|Give it a good kick in The Cheat!]] 
 
'''KICK THE CHEAT IS BACK!'''

Back by popular demand, the '''KICK THE CHEAT''' is here at last! This soft, huggable plush image of The Cheat is 11" high, 13" wide and 30" around. He's equipped with a voice box, so whenever he's kicked or struck, he screams four different exclamations in his native language of The Cheat

Don't forget our other toys! 
Series #1 Figurines includes nine popular characters: Homestar, Marzipan, Strong Bad, Strong Mad, Strong Sad, The Cheat, Pom-Pom, Bubs, and Coach Z*.

Series #2 Figurines includes: The Poopsmith, Homsar and The King of Town as well as Homestar (Running) and Strong Bad (Megaphone and BucketHand).

<nowiki>*</nowiki>Warning! Choking Hazard - Small parts. Not for children under 3 years.
====Collectible Figurines====
[[Image:figuresets.gif]] [[Image:commandos figurines small.PNG]] 
(1st set out on July 15, 2003; 2nd set out as of June 7, 2004.)
*'''Set One:''' [[Strong Sad]], [[Pom Pom]], [[Marzipan]], [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]], [[The Cheat]], [[Strong Mad]], [[Bubs]], and [[Coach Z]].
**The box for Set One includes a black and white Strong Bad and Homestar, with the words "homestar runner figurines" at the top in curved letters. The top, left corner features the "[[Cheap as Free]]" logo, and the right corner features the words "Fairly Collectible!"
*'''Set Two:''' [[The King of Town]], Homestar Running, Buckethand Strong Bad (from [[new hands]]), [[The Poopsmith]], and [[Homsar]].
*'''Cheat Commandos Figurines:''' [[Gunhaver]], [[Fightgar]], [[Silent Rip]], [[Crackotage]], [[Firebert]], [[Reynold]], [[Blue Lazer]]. Goes along with free downloadable [[Playsets]].

===CD/DVDs===
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|[[Image:dvddisc4.jpg]] || [[strongbad_email.exe Disc Four|Strong Bad Emails — Disc 4]] || '''Strong Bad Emails Disc 4!!'''
This DVD includes Strong Bad Emails 101-130. Remember "Crying" featuring Li'l Brudder, "Virus" marking the tragic demise of the Compy, "Best Thing" introducing the Limozeen cartoon show? They're all on this DVD plus many, many more of your favorite Strong Bad Emails!

'''Disc 4 includes:'''
* Strong Bad Emails 101 - 130!
* Over 2 hours of Emails with all of the hidden scenes and easter eggs intact!
* One previously unreleased Email plus two new karaoke videos!
* Lots of puppet action, commentaries and other bonus stuff!
* Region FREE so it'll play in DVD players all over the world!
* Disc 4 is sold individually and will not be part of a future boxed set
|-
|[[Image:dvd3discset.gif]] || [[strongbad_email.exe|Strong Bad Emails — 3 Disc DVD Set]] || '''Strong Bad Emails 3 Disc Boxed Set includes:'''
* Emails 1-100 with all of the hidden pop-ups and easter eggs
* 3 previously unreleased emails and 4 Karaoke videos
* Commentaries by the creators
* Lots of puppet stuff and behind the scenes footage
* Region Free
|-
|[[Image:Strong Bad Sings CD.png]] || [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits|Strong Bad Sings CD]] || '''Strong Bad CD'''
The CD features extended versions of your favorite Strong Bad hits such as “TROGDOR,” “The System is Down” and “The Cheat is Not Dead” plus many, many more. Also includes songs by Limozeen, Coach Z, Marzipan and other characters. Total of 20 tracks in all.

Each CD cover is adorned with Strong Bad’s own original artwork and a free Limozeen sticker is included with the liner notes.

Produced by the brothers chaps and Y-O-U
|}

===2-Dimensional Stuff===
====Posters====
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|[[Image:everybody-poster.PNG|200px]] || [[Everybody Everybody Poster]] ||
Our "everybody! everybody!" poster depicts all of your favorite characters crammed into the borders of Strong Badia.
|-
|[[Image:hrposter1.jpg|200px]] || [[Homestar and Strong Bad Poster|Homestar Poster]] ||
The Homestar and Strong Bad poster depicts everyone's two favorite characters against the colorful background of Free Country USA.
|}

====Patches====
[[Image:patches.jpg]] 
'''New Embroidered Patches''' There are five colorful 3" sew-on Patches in a set featuring...Colonel Homestar Runner of the [[Homestarmy]], [[Dangeresque]] and his cool, cool glasses, the official seal of The Cheat, Homsar's genuine "Raised by Coffee" logo, and the membership patch for the Trogdor Hi-Score club.

====Static Clings====
[[Image:staticclings.jpg]] 
'''Get All the Static Cling Stickers''' This here is a variety Pack of Static Cling Stickers featuring one each of...Homestar Runner, Strong Bad, The Cheat and Trogdor!! These durable images, designed to be displayed on the inside of windows, are printed on clear vinyl and are easily removable.

====Bumper Stickers====
[[Image:bumperstickers.gif]] 
'''Bumper Stickers''' Now you can have a Variety Pack of Bumper Stickers featuring one (1) each of Homestar Runner, Strong Bad, Trogdor the Burninator and the Teen Girl Squad!!

===To Be Released===
*[[HRStore:homestarcircle.html|Homestar Circle]]
*[[HRStore:litandstbads.html|Limozeen T-Shirt and Strong Bad Sings CD Combo]]

===Freebies===
With a certain amount of money paid for your order, you get a freebie, or a free piece of merchandise.
*Orders less than $25.00—Mini-Freebie

**A free double-sided drink coaster.
::[[Image:mini-freebie_coaster.JPG|225px|Homestar is Heads; Strong Bad is Tails!!]]
*Orders $25.00–$49.99—Big Freebie
**A sturdy key ring with a colorful vinyl adornment displaying one of several memorable images.
***There are two varieties:
::[[Strongbadia]] [[Stop Sign]] [[Image:sb keychain front.jpg|60px]] [[Image:sb keychain back.jpg|60px]]
::[[Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)|Homestar Runner]] Star Logo [[Image:hsrkeychainfront.jpg|60px]] [[Image:hsrkeychainback.jpg|60px]]
[[Image:sb freebie patch.gif]]
*Orders $50.00–$74.99—Jumbo Freebie
**Free Strong Bad sew-on patch.

*Orders $75.00–$99.99—Ultimate Freebie
**Free set of Series 1 Figurines.

*Orders $100.00 or more—Ultimate Jumbo Freebie
**Both the Series 1 and Series 2 Figurines.

== Other Places To Buy ==

===Local Business Area Stores===
According to [[HRStore:reop.html|this page]], independent comic book, music/video, and other specialty shops now have an opportunity to sell H*R merchandise (The Brothers Chaps say that they must never have a sale on the products or have the prices lower than TBC have them marked, to keep sales good). Find them with the [[HRStore:storelocator.html|store locator]].

===Froogle Search===
If you search for [http://froogle.google.com/froogle?q=Homestar+Runner Homestar Runner] at [http://froogle.google.com Froogle], you can see H*R products being sold at various other stores.

===Magazines===
Homestar merchandise also turns up in the occasional issue of Previews Magazine (limited on-line version can be seen [http://previews.diamondcomics.com here]), which lists upcoming items available for purchase through local comic stores.

===DragonCon===
[[Image:Comic Con.jpg|thumb|Some seriously nerdy stuff]]
According to [[HRStore:hoatcoco.html|this page]], merchandise will be available for sale at booth #101 in the Exhibitor's Hall for all 4 days of [http://www.dragoncon.org/ DragonCon] in Atlanta, Georgia. The Homestar Runner booth will be staffed by [[The Brothers Chaps|the Brothers Chaps]], [[Don_and_Harriet_Chapman|the Family Chaps]], and other members of the Homestar crew. Expect puppet appearances and never-before-seen toons. Future events similiar to those listed on the page will surely follow.

 

== Easter Eggs ==
*If you click the 'D' on the sign on top of [[Bubs' Concession Stand]] on the bottom of the page Homestar Runner will run up, do the dance he did in [[Lookin at a Thing in a Bag]], and leave.

*The time of day at Bubs' changes according to your computer's clock.
**4:00 a.m. – 6:00 a.m. — Sunrise
**6:00 a.m. – 5:00 p.m. — Day
**5:00 p.m. – 7:00 p.m. — Sunset (same as sunrise)
**7:00 p.m. – 4:00 a.m. — Night

*After you buy something, you are taken to [https://secure.homestarrunner.com/heythanks.html a thank you page]. During the day, or any time before midnight, one of three scenes is seen. It is currently unknown what causes the different videos to appear, but it has been speculated that it is based on the number of times the thank you page has been accessed, the time on your clock, or it could be random. The scenes will be darkened in the evening, but otherwise unchanged.
** The first "day" scene shows [[Bubs]] at his [[Bubs' Concession Stand|Concession Stand]].
**: '''BUBS:''' Hey, thanks for buying my junk! Oh! ''{places a sign on the stand that says "THANK YOUS $5"}'' That'll be five dollars!
** The second shows [[Strong Bad]] in a room filled with money, holding a glass of wine.
**: '''STRONG BAD:''' Thank you for all your money, er, business. All your business... that you gave us. ''{holds up a cigar}'' The Cheat? Another extremely expensive light, please. ''{[[The Cheat]] comes in from the side of the screen, with a lit pile of money, and lights the cigar with it.}''
** The third shows [[Homestar Runner]] in [[The Field]].
**: '''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Ahem! ''{singing}'' I want to thank you for your purchase, toniiiiight, todaaaay! A-thank you!
**: '''MARZIPAN:''' ''{walking on with [[Carol]]}'' Okay Homestar, I'm ready to record the thank you song.
**: '''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Ah, too late, go away.
**: '''MARZIPAN:''' ''{upset}'' All right, broken up.
**At night (after midnight and before 5 AM), it always shows [[Homestar's House]], unlit. Homestar walks in in pajamas, with his cinnamon beard.
**:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{yawn}'' Oh, hi there. We appreciate you buying stuff from us and everything, but um, ''{yawn}'' you should really get to bed.
**If you go to the link without buying anything, it shows the Mozilla "missing plugin" icon that says "After installing the plugin, click here." Strong Bad arrives.
**: '''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, thought you could sneak in the back door, eh? Why don't you buy something?
**It will load the store front page after the scene is over. To see the different scenes, set your system clock between midnight and 5AM (or if already set there, between 5AM and midnight) then click on your back button. This can be done multiple times, just keep changing the clock and going back. (Note: the same scene will always play when your clock is set between midnight and 5AM as stated above)

== Fun Facts ==
===Trivia===
*From left to right, the T-shirts play the notes A, B, C-sharp, D-sharp, G-sharp, A-sharp, C, C-sharp, D-sharp, E, and F-sharp. You play songs by moving your mouse over shirts.
*While loading the musical shirt selection, a message flashes, reading "loading shirtfun".
*While loading a "Thank-you" message, a loading screen appears reading "load 'er up".
*The Kick The Cheat plush toy was not available for purchase for a five-month period beginning 12 April 2005.

===Inside References===
*The Store Locator on the new store features The United States and Canada in white underwear, a reference to [[weird dream]].
*The store's footer at the bottom of the store is Bub's "checkitout" dance from [[Lookin at a Thing in a Bag]]

===Goofs===
*In the Store Locator, Wisconsin is spelled "Wisonsin"

===Real-World References===
*"Wide-Mart and Lackluster Video and Music," mentioned in [[HRStore:reop.html|Retail Opportunities]], are [[Wikipedia:Wal-Mart|Wal-Mart]] and [[Wikipedia:Blockbuster Video|Blockbuster Video]] takeoffs.
*Under the "T-Shirts!!" section, it reads "Grab an ice cold "H STAR R" or a great tasting "HOMESTAR LITE" A new twist on some old favorites! (They're even better than Coke with lime!)". [[Wikipedia:Coca-Cola with Lime|Coke with lime]] is a new flavor of Coca-Cola with the catchphrase "a little twist on a great thing".
*The "Thank You" page's page title is "Thank you so much for to buying our crap!" This is a reference to the phrase Mario says at the end of [[Wikipedia:Super Mario 64|Super Mario 64]]: "Thank you so much for to playing my game!"

== External Links ==
*[[HRStore:|Visit the store]]
*[[HR:storeflash/bubsfooter.swf|View the footer at the bottom of the store]]
*[[HR:storeflash/bubspromo.swf|View the promotional message about more "junk"]]
*[[HR:storeflash/sbpromo.swf|View the promotional message about "this other crap"]]
*[[HR:storeflash/cheatpromo.swf|View The Cheat's promotional message]]
*[[HR:storeflash/hspromo.swf|View the promotional message about "this other stuff that you like"]]
*[[HR:storeflash/tshirts.swf|View the musical T-shirt selection]]
*[http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://store.yahoo.com/homestarrunner/ View archived versions of the store from 2001-2004]
[[Category:Special Pages]]
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