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HRWiki:Validation committee

Firefoxman — Sat, 30 Apr 2005 00:11:06 GMT

Firefoxman:

This committee helps to ensure that all wiki pages validate as proper XHTML and CSS. This means stripping out bad code, replacing it with good code, and helping to educate our community on what tags can and can't be used in valid code.

== First order of business — font tags ==
There are many <nowiki>text</nowiki> tags hanging out here and there. Many people are using them in their sigs. Since font tags are allowed in XHTML 1.0 Transitional, it's okay if people want to continue using them, but they should make sure to enclose the color declaration in quotation marks to keep things valid. However, we should try to switch to everyone to <nowiki>text</nowiki>. This method is much more forward compatible.

== Current Members ==
*[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] — ''(formed the committee on April 13, 2005)''
*[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:45, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*--[[User:The Paper|THE PAPER]] 23:00, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*[[User:Rainer|RAINER]][[User talk:Rainer|talk]] 02:46, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*[[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]] 21:56, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
8[[User:firefoxman|ΩLucas]] 00:11, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*—<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|✎</tt>]] 08:25, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

HRWiki:Old STUFF

Firefoxman — Thu, 21 Apr 2005 19:54:04 GMT

Firefoxman: /* Today's Email Is Brought To You By The Letter F */

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Shortcut: [[HRWiki:STUFF]]</div>The situation with fun facts was getting a bit out of hand, especially with the [[Strong Bad Email]] [[virus]]. People often add fun facts that most people just don't think are fun or factual. So, we have set up this page where you can '''S'''elect '''T'''he '''U'''sable '''F'''un '''F'''acts (STUFF).

Here's how it works. First off, you ''can'' still add a fun fact to the page directly. If somebody doesn't like it, though, it will probably be STUFF'D!, that is, moved to this list. If you think there is even a small bit of doubt as to whether or not everybody would agree it's fun and/or factual, it should probably be added directly to this page instead. ''This will not be necessary for every page, only those that would otherwise likely be cluttered with fun facts. This applies mostly to pages reflecting new Homestar Runner content, for instance, the page for the latest Strong Bad Email.''

Things that always make good fun facts:
* References to other toons or e-mails that will be obvious to longtime users but not to newcomers
* References to pop culture (but not those that are so obvious that ''everybody'' will recognize them; everybody knows that Pikachu is a Pokémon, for instance)
* ''Verified'' tidbits about the creation of the toon or e-mail (for example, "Mike, not Matt, provided the voice of Strong Sad saying 'Douglas'")

Things that often do not make good fun facts:
* Speculation ("This scene may be a reference to a vaguely similar scene in ''The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy''...")
* Glitches due to the Flash software (unless the glitch may have a very amusing and relevant anecdote to go with it)
* Things already noted in the transcript
* Things that anybody can figure out by watching the toon or reading the transcript
* Things that become easily dated. ("Other then those past two times, this is one of the few times that ____ happens")

Things that always make good fun facts can just be added directly to the appropriate page without going through the approval process. However, be careful with references: if it isn't ''necessarily'' true that the table turning into a black and red grid is a reference to [[StrongBadZone]], then you should probably post it here instead.

When something is posted here, you can vote on it. You should be logged in and sign your vote; anonymous votes do not count because it is easy for a single user to cast multiple votes. Signing your post with the name of another user in the hopes that it won't be noticed will definitely not be tolerated. This only applies to votes: fun facts may be proposed by any user and do not have to be signed (in fact, it is probably better not to sign them).

If the admins like a fun fact, they will immediately move it to the appropriate page as needed (regardless of votes). If they don't, they will wait a while until the fun fact has accumulated enough votes or a convincing argument is made.

If (and only if) you think a page needs this process, add <tt><nowiki>{{funfacts}}</nowiki></tt> directly under the <tt>== Fun Facts ==</tt> heading, then add the appropriate heading to this page. If the list is very long, you may want to add a <tt><nowiki>{{funfacts2}}</nowiki></tt> footer to the end of the list as well.

== Voting ==
New votes cast should generally be as follows:
* '''Accept.''' To accept a fun fact as-is, or possibly with very minor changes.
* '''Revise.''' The fun fact needs minor editing. Explain what needs to be changed (unless seconding another person's revise vote).
* '''Rewrite.''' The fun fact needs major changes. Explain what needs to be changed, and provide an example version. ''When an example is provided, it may be voted on independently. If somebody responds to a "rewrite" vote with "rewrite" as well, it will be taken to mean that the rewrite itself needs to be rewritten.''
* '''Decline.''' Reject the fun fact completely.
* '''Second.''' Write this as a sub-item to somebody else's vote when you want to make it clear that you agree not only with the person's vote, but his reasoning. (Don't respond to a "second" with a "third"; just make another "second" alongside the first one.)

The terms '''delete''' and '''keep''' are now discouraged because they convey the wrong idea: we will be voting mostly on whether to accept new fun facts, rather than on whether to retain existing ones.

'''Remember:''' you must be logged in to vote. If you don't have an account, [[Special:Userlogin|create one]]. It won't bite you.

You must sign the listing or vote added after your comment with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>). If you don't, your vote will not be counted.

== To be done ==

* How to distinguish between an approved fun fact and a directly-added fun fact on a page. Users would not be allowed to try and pass off their fun facts as approved if they weren't. ([[User:furrykef|furrykef]]'s current idea: tag each approved fun fact with a small star icon or other appropriate image.)
* Where, exactly, rejected fun facts and their recorded votes should go (probably on a subpage here)
**Right now they are in [[HRWiki:Select The Usable Fun Facts Archive]]
**Or they're being moved to the talk pages for the e-mails/toons in question. We're not sure yet.

== Toons and E-mails ==
====[[Blue Laser Commander]]====

====A legendary voice, you screech?====

The voice of the Commander is almost certainly a reference to the legendary voice-work of the late Chris Latta, best known as the voices of Starscream from Transformers and Cobra Commander from G.I. Joe.

*'''Decline.''' I doubt it was done on purpose. Maybe coincidentally, yes. But there is absolutely no certainty. -- [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 18:45, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept''' Are you watching the same Cheat Commandos that I am? The whole thing is a very obviously intentional G.I. Joe parody. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 18:49, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 22:50, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' I think it's more likely that the voice of BLC is a reference to Cobra Commander rather than to the man who gave CC voice. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 19:12, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**Not much of a difference in my eyes, but isn't that more of a "revise" than "decline"? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 19:15, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**The key difference is that one is a reference to a concept, the other a specific person so '''Decline'''. Isn't there already a fact stating CC is a GI Joe parody? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**Nope, it's a straight decline. Leave out the reference to the man and you're left with "The voice of BLC is a reference to Cobra Commander from G.I. Joe". I thought that was already a well-established fact. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 19:19, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Acceptinated!''' But is Chris Latta dead? That's not what I read online. -Walking Armless
*Guys, I think some of you are misinterpreting the point of my STUFF here. Obviously CC is a GI Joe clone. I don't need to tell you that. What I'm saying, actually, is I don't think that the voice work Matt does in this toon references anybody's voice style in particular. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 02:49, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''ACCEPT.''' This one really is a no-brainer. Cobra Commander has a ''very'' distinctive voice, and Matt is clearly mimicking it. [[Wikipedia:Chris Latta|Chris Latta]] gave Cobra Commander his voice. Therefore, Matt is ''clearly'' mimicking Chris Latta. (Sadly, Chris passed away in 1994 after a long illness.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:47, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**The fact as proposed seems to indicate that BLC's voice is some sort of intentional homage to Chris Latta. I just don't think that's the case. Matt is mimicking Cobra Commander's voice. Coincidentally, the voice was supplied by Chris Latta -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:03, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
***But by imitating Cobra Commander's voice, you are by necessity also imitating Chris Latta. What the fact is saying, then, is that "the Blue Laser Commander is a parody of Cobra Commander, even down to the way Chris Latta provided the voice." Stating it like that not only rounds out this wiki but also lets us use more [[Wikipedia:InterWiki|interwiki]] links, both of which are goals of a knowledge-based site such as this. And somebody might just learn a little bit extra. I mean, ''I'' did. — [[User:It's dot com|IDC]] 15:28, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

===[[Under Construction]]===
====Get That Character A Kleenex!====
1-Up getting a green nosebleed is a nod to the [[Wikipedia:Nosebleed#Nosebleeds in fiction|anime cliche]] that excited or aroused people get nosebleeds or "hanaji".
:The nosebleed's odd color may be a reference to [[Wikipedia:Mortal_Kombat#Ports|the original Mortal Kombat port for the Super Nintendo]], where the blood was recolored gray and passed off as "sweat".
*'''Decline.''' This is starting to turn into a TTATOT. I'm not well-versed in the nuances of amine symbolism. I just thought 1-Up had a runny nose. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 03:22, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

*'''Agree''' I've read several article on this phenomenon. It is also standard fare for western anime parodies to include an arousal nosebleed. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 03:55, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept 1st, Decline 2nd''' I thought it was obvious, but not everyone knows about anime cliches. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 05:41, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*From what I've heard, the blood was recolored green. They did the same thing for Resident Evil 2 when it was ported to the N64. In this case, its meant to be a generic snot bubble because 1-up isn't sexually excited. '''Decline the second'''
**As for the first...meh. I can take it or leave it. '''Neutral''' [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''No and no.''' It's snot. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 16:03, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept (though possibly revise?)''' Manga fans know that this is a pretty common occurence in anime. The [http://tvwiki.sytes.net/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SnotBubble Snot Bubble] is also a common cliche, though it's generally used for sleeping characters. Perhaps TBC got the two mixed up?--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 17:33, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' It's snot, like Rudeboy87 said. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 19:42, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' In a cartoon context, green stuff from the nose is pretty widely understood to be snot. --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 21:07, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:30, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' It's snot, and references an entirely different anime cliche with immature children having runny noses. There is no reason for 1-Up to be aroused, and if it was supposed to be blood, indicating a nosebleed, it would have been colored so.[[User:Rebochan|Rebochan]] 04:11, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' Even though I'm the one who added the 2nd part, I agree that this is unintentional. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 13:49, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

===[[trevor the vampire]]===
====Today's Email Is Brought To You By The Letter F====
When Strong Bad says "I mean what the", he types "I mean what the f". Presumably, Strong Bad was about to type the "F" word.

*'''Decline.''' He could be saying something like "freakin' crap". --[[User:Lunar Jesters|The Somewhat Awesome Jesty]] 11:23, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
** '''Second''' ----

*'''Wait a minute...''' Wasn't this already STUFF'D? Or am I imagining things? Either way, I decline. I'm pretty sure everyone could guess what Strong Bad was going to type. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 12:36, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' Seems pretty out of character (at least in hindsight) for both SB and TBC -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:43, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept.''' I think it was deliberate. Remember when Strong Bad shouted, "Screw all y'all!" in [[sb_email 22]]? I wouldn't call it out of character. However, TBC seems to have toned down the just barely borderline vulgar humor since the old emails in order to make the site more kid-friendly. That's just my opinion though. --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 14:41, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 18:50, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' I always understood it as a humorous almost-usage of the F-word. This kind of gag is pretty common, even occurring in G-rated movies such as ''The Lion King'' and ''Finding Nemo''. --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 18:52, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
***'''Comment.''' Heh, yeah, I know what you're talking about. "Why do I always have to save your AHHHHHHH!" "Don't you all realize we're swimming in our own--" "Shhh!" --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 1:10, 21 Apr 2005
*'''Decline''' TBC have a no swearing policy. Boarderline swears are just jokes. Plus this is a speculatory "fact". The "f" could have been for anything. And "presumably" is just another way to say "may be". [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' Probably right, but who needs a fun fact to tell them this? It's as useful as saying, "When strongbad does this and this, he's making fun of the grammar in the e-mail."--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:13, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' I agree with Upset Your Balance et al. in that I think it was deliberate, but isn't it pretty obvious? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:35, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Comment.''' Everything is as it was. Not sure why this was removed after just one day of voting. '''NOTE:''' please allow 2 weeks of voting before declaring a verdict! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:04, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' Strong Bad almost said the F-word, everyone who knows about the F-word can figure that out we don't need something to tell us about it. [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]

===[[japanese cartoon]]===

====So cool an unseen email====
Strong Bad says "So cool an e-mail, I thought you would enjoy it," as if he has read it before he replied to it. However, in other emails (such as part-time job or your friends) he acts surprised to see the content, as if he has not read it before.
*'''Decline''' I have trouble saying why, but I know there's something wrong with this. Be it that it's part of the haiku, or something else, I don't think this really needs to be stated. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 05:23, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''So cool a Decline, I thought I would Second it.''' This is a parody of the [http://www.trendmicro.com/vinfo/virusencyclo/default5.asp?VName=WORM_KLEZ.H&VSect=T Klez] email virus that used the infamous subject line "so cool a flash,enjoy it". It's not meant to imply that Strong Bad has actually read the email beforehand. --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 08:00, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*** That's it. Thanks. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 08:11, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
***'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 14:13, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**''''Eh, Decline!''' This is seriously a Klez spoof. I even received a Klez email, and it gave my old computer a virus. ---[[User:the spludge|the spludge]] 21:05, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====Oolong's Namesake====
Someone named Oolong Singy is credited for [[Combolations]] in the cartoon, this may be a reference to Oolong the pig from Dragon Ball or [[Wikipedia:Oolong (rabbit)|Oolong the rabbit]], whose owner is Japanese.
*'''Decline.''' I figure the reference is most likely to Oolong, the traditional Chinese tea enjoyed throughout Asia. The characters mentioned here are named after the tea. --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 07:49, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' Always decline TTATO facts! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:48, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*I would second this if I knew what TTATO stood for. (Second is NOT my vote) [[User:Fizz123|Stave it off, Fizz123, and now you can count to three.]]
**'''Decline.''' TTATO actually is supposed to be spelled TTATOT, and stands for "This, That, And That Other Thing." -- [[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 20:34, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
***'''Sheds a tear''' My own little abbreviation is growing up. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 02:18, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*May be '''declined''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 23:46, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====MikeMike And Matt Rock====

The credits for Mike Rock and MattMatt are references to [[The Brothers Chaps|Mike and Matt Chapman]].

*DUHHHH! DECLINANATED! [[User:Fizz123|Anonymous Contributor]]
*'''Completely Decline.''' No, seriously. Like, nobody else vote on this. -Walking Armless
*'''Comment.''' Why wasn't this just deleted? --[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 1:13 19 Apr 2005
*'''Accept.''' Never caught that. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 13:54, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

===[[rampage]]===

====rampage easter egg====
At the end of the SBEmail [[rampage]], in the easter egg when you click on "rampage," Strong Mad chasing the Cheat monster looking thing (sorry I never played Rampage before) and yelling "My panties!! My panties!!" is a reference to the SBEmail [[morning routine]].
* '''Decline''' It's already mentioned on the page, and worded MUCH more cleanly. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 02:42, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
* Oh oops. I missed that.
* '''However,''' there is something else. In the Rampage easter egg, the Cheat looks like the Strong Badman version of himself, as shown in the Sketchbook on September 2, 2005.
*There's already a section for [[rampage]]. Put this in there. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 12:41, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

===[[The Li'l Brudder Show]]===

====Ugly Animation====
The animation resembles the work of [[Wikipedia:Klasky Csupo|Klasky Csupo]] (most famous for [[Wikipedia:Rugrats|Rugrats]]), in which characters were often of the ugly-but-suppose-to-be-cute kind. The resemblance is strongest in the "skydiving" segment.

*'''Decline''' Wha...? Obviously not! Li'l Brudder is ''supposed'' to look raggety- he was made to make someone cry! --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 16:33, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Declime''' Li'l Brudder pretty much looks the way Strong Bad drew him originally. He looks odd in the skydiving sequence 'cuz he's prolly falling at near terminal velocity! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 16:44, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Not So Li'l Decline''' Li'l Brudder's the only one that may look "ugly" due to the addition of visible black hairs all over his body and discolored teeth. Tendafoot looks exactly like the two-legged elephant Strong Bad drew, and the Legless Parrot and Human-Nosed Possum look like animated copies of the real animal, just with the aforementioned maladies. I think TBC made Li'l Brudder "uglier" to draw more pity for everybody's favorite go-getter. [[User:GillanTheVillain|GillanTheVillain]] 17:01, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Withdrawn''' I posted this originally, and on closer inspection I agree that Li'l Brudder looks more like Courage the Cowardly Dog than a K C creation. [[User:Lucres|Lucres]] 17:25, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Late 360 Shove-It To Decline'd!''' I think its unintentional, but kinda true about the "ugly, but cute" part. In spite of that, I also '''Second''' all of the above. [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 18 Apr 2005
**'''Second.''' He looks more like something John Kricfalusi (of the Ren and Stimpy fame) would create. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 20:50, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
***'''No he doesn't.''' [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 12:39, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Comment.''' Restored discussion. Please wait 2 weeks before declaring a verdict! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:10, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====Things are lookin' up!====

The title of the page and Lil' Brudder's line at the end of the toon "Things are lookin' up!" is probably a reference to the Gershwin song of the same name. (Ironically, there's also a line in the song that says "I'm happy as a pup.")[[User:TakuaKaita600|TakuaKaita600]] 21:39, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

*'''Comment.''' Here's a [http://www.fredastaire.net/music/lyrics/thingsarelookingup.htm link] to the lyrics. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 21:56, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**Yea, it's the line "Oh I'm happy as a pup since love looked up at me." But...not that Lil' Brudder's in love or anything...[[User:TakuaKaita600|TakuaKaita600]] 22:04, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Close, but Decline.''' It's just an optimism from someone who has no reason to be optimistic. I doubt that the song popularized the phrase, even if it's old. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 23:50, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''It's De Cline.''' --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 00:24, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''DECLINE'D''' It's a far stretch.--[[User:Mr. Sparkle|Mr. Sparkle]] 11:26, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' The only way LB can see a thing as he scrapes along is to ... well ... look up! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:18, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' There was a drawing of Lil' Brudder in the Weekly Sketchbook entitled "things are looking up!" It's more likely that they'd be referencing other content on their site. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 18:57, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' Wait, wasn't that quote also mentioned in [[crying]]? Oh, guess not. DE CLINE!!! --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 22:48, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

===[[impression]]===
====What year is it?====

The form for the penmanship contest says 2004 Sectional Finals, however, the sign for the contest said 2003.

'''VERDICT:''' This goof has been accepted. The discussion can be found at [[Talk:impression]]. -[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]] 16 Apr 2005
*'''ATTENTION GafAddict and Upset Your Balance and any other VERIDCTers''' - The standard voting period is 2 weeks. Please do not close any items that are newer than that that. In other words, check the first vote, if it's less than two weeks old, DON'T TOUCH IT! Also, if you're going to VERDICT an item, please sign your name and date as though you were signing a vote (two hyphens and four tildes)
**'''I think this one is a special case.''' It was STUFFed based on a false assumption. But I didn't VERDICT it, so... --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:12, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
***GafAddict did a few a day or so ago, and I've seen others get VERDICT'd well before the two week period. Also, whoever does it needs to sign it, so I figured I'd post it. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*I have added my name and the date to the verdict. (Yes, it was me.) I'm not sure of the exact time of the verdicting though. And as Jay said, because it was STUFFed based on a false assumption, I put it back and verdicted it early. For other STUFF'd items, the VERDICT shall wait two weeks. -[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]]

===[[dangeresque 3]]===
====Constantinople?====

The fact that The King of Town was hiding in Istanbul may be a nod to [[They Might Be Giants]], who had a hit in 1990 called "Istanbul (Not Constantinople)" and have collaborated with [[The Brothers Chaps|TBC]] on several occasions.
*'''Decline.''' Istanbul is often used in the movies as a dangerous and exotic locale. Any resemblance to a TMBG song, living or dead, is purely coincidental. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:23, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' It's also [[Wikipedia:Istanbul|a real place]]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 19:08, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*Today's forecast is '''total crap.''' When will you people learn the difference between references and coincidences? [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 20:37, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' -[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]]
*"May be"...ugh. '''Decline''' [[user:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept.''' This fact wasn't just added to the page yesterday; it's been there for ''nine months.'' It's listed in the history as far back as you can go. Thousands of visitors to the page have already seen it and have tacitly given it their approval. The comments above make it sound like there's ''no chance'' that TBC chose Istanbul intentionally, but let me '''put it in context:''' in the few weeks leading up to this email, there were several [[Puppet_Jam:_Vitamins/Celebrities|Puppet Jams]] added to the site. Just a few weeks after the email, [[Experimental Film]] was released (so, being a song, it was likely already in the works at the time of the email). And you're telling me they ''didn't'' have TMBG on the brain? I don't think so. Too coincidental. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:41, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second''' [[User:Lucres|Lucres]] 17:31, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''I think not.''' Being on a page for a long time does not make a fact fun. It is a coincidence, 'nuff said. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 19:50, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept.''' What It's dot com said. Believe me, if you listen to TMGB for too long, it's hard to think of Istanbul without mentally adding "...not Constantinople..." <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 17:37, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' Or maybe Istanbul is just a cool-sounding place and TBC weren't making a nod to TMBG. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 19:33, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 14:42, 17 Apr 2005 (PDT)
*"I dunno about you The Ugly One, but I say this one should be '''accepted!'''" I really think so though. I agree with everybody who said it should be accepted. I've read over this debate, and do think that that whole thing's a TMBG refrence.--[[User:MrsCommanderson|MrsCommanderson]] 21:48, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' If, someday, a birdhouse shows up in a cartoon, will that be a reference to that birdhouse song? --[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 00:49, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**That's beside the point (although "birdhouse" is not a word that most people use every day). Just about everybody familiar with TMBG knows their song "Istanbul (Not Constantinople)" and identifies one with the other. I again refer you to the ''context'' of last summer (see my comments above), and considering that, I really don't think this fact is a stretch. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:16, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Comment''' Well, I never gave this thing any approval, tacit or otherwise. I've patrolled this page many times and everytime I read this "fact" I wrinkled my nose. I avoided STUFF-ing it because (1) unless I'm in the right mood it's tiresome and tedious and (b) I was afraid to expose my lack of hepitude. Hep or not, I still maintain this fact is based on the purest of speculation. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:31, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Comment''' The Istanbul song is NOT originally TMBG. My google search says it was written in 1953, and it was reasonably popular before TMBG came along.
**'''Comment.''' He comes the [http://www.songlyrics.com/song-lyrics/Four_Lads/Miscellaneous/Istanbul_(not_Constantinople)/147257.html link]! Istanbul (Not Constantinople). Artists: The Four Lads ... peak Billboard position # 10 in 1953 ... Words by Jimmy Kennedy and Music by Nat Simon -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:01, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
***The question isn't whether TMBG wrote the song (a ''lot'' of cover versions of songs are as popular as or more popular than their original versions, so this too is beside the point), but whether Istanbul is a reasonable reference to TMBG, and if so whether TBC might reasonably be referencing them by choosing Istanbul. On close calls like this, where the two parties have a known relationship and were demonstrably collaborating at the time, is the standard of proof ''really'' "[[Wikipedia:Burden_of_proof#Beyond_a_reasonable_doubt|beyond a reasonable doubt]]," or would a "[[Wikipedia:Burden_of_proof#Balance_of_probabilities|preponderance of the evidence]]" standard apply? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:08, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
***Call me Cletus if'n ya want, but, a single word on a placard does not a reference make! Now, if the sign had Constantinople crossed out with Istanbul written below it, well ... then we're talking reference! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:21, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
****Aha! Now ''that's'' an argument that addresses the heart of the issue. Especially the "crossed out" part. Good prize! I'm not going to ''officially'' downgrade my vote above to neutral ('cause I don't think it will matter anyway), but, off the record, my support for including this fact is dwindling (although not gone). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:22, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

===[[flashback]]===
====Discount Flashback Warehouse====
In the Discount Flashback Warehouse easter egg, Strong Bad sounds a lot like Senor Cardgage. In fact, the whole easter egg resembles the Senor Cardgage Mortgage toon.
*'''Declinating the countryside, declinating the peasants...''' Of COURSE Strong Bad and Senor Cardgage sound similar - they're alternate versions of the same character. As for similarities between the two, all I see is that they're both commercials. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 23:50, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 11:48, 13 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 23:40, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Comment from original poster''': After watching it a couple more times, I see that the second part is quite a stretch. As for the first part, I think I need to clarify: Strong Bad ''talks'' like Senor Cardgage, i.e. he uses a monotoneous voice. (Nice decline message tho'...) Therefore, the fun fact '''rephrased:''' In the Discount Flashback Warehouse easter egg, Strong Bad's style of speaking is similar to that of Senor Cardgage.
*Excardon me, but what differation does that make, Valerie? '''Decriminoted (decline).'''' [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]]
*Okay, maybe it's just me, but does anybody else notice that Strong Bad's voice is kinda rasp and expressionless? That's whay I'm basing the whole thing on.
*'''Decline''' Matt Chapman can only do so many different voices, and it makes it especially hard to try and do two alternates to the same character. Strong Bad also does somewhat of a Senor Cardgage voice at the end of [[theme park]]. -[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]]
*'''Comment''' One might also add that both seem to have a common source. That is, the cheap television ads that small businesses create. If you somehow don't know what I'm talking about, just watch a local network for a little while, you'll see and hear plenty of dead air, gaudy graphics, poor diction, and bad acting. Actually, I don't know how you can fully appreciate Homestar Runner without having watched even that small amount of tv.
**SIGN YOUR VOTES! [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 16:05, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
***"Comment" is not a vote. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 20:27, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
* '''D3kl1n3!!''' I didn't bother to read all this to see if somebody had already said this, but The 'Discount' bit came before 'Senor Cardgage' bit. --[[User:kerrek slaya|kerrek slaya]] 02:50, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Here comes the Thnikka-Decline-Man!''' Um, its also a second with kerrek slaya, but sewiously, this did come out before [[Senor Mortgage]]. Check yer facts, folks. ---[[User:the spludge|the spludge]] 16:43, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Comment from original poster:''' Ah cwap, I did forget to check the release dates. My apologies to the hrwiki users. This might have been the wohst hundwed wohds I evoh spent.
**'''Note on the characters:''' Strong Bad and Senor Cardgage are not the same person or even alternate versions of one another. According to Strong Sad, Senor Cardgage was a real person who lived nearby the Strongs' home. Creepy Comb Over Strong Bad is a hypothetical version of Strong Bad who ''resembles'' Senor Cardgage. --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 14:51, 17 Apr 2005 (PDT)

===[[replacement]]===
====Strong Mad sings====
Strong Mad says "I'M STRONG MAD," which could be a reference A Jumping Jack Contest, in which Strong Mad poses as Strong Bad and says a similar line.

'''Verdict:''' After only one week of voting, this fact was overwhelmingly and unanimously '''Declined'''. Discussion moved to [[Talk:replacement]]. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 16:06, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

===[[spring cleaning]]===
====DELETED!====
The "DELETED" screen has a green background on the Tandy. When later used on the Compy, it has a blue background. It has not been used on the Lappy thusfar.

'''VERDICT:''' This information has been '''moved''' to the [[DELETED]] page. The votes have been moved to [[Talk:spring cleaning]]

===[[rampage]]===

====Poetic chops====
Ironically, while Strong Sad glorifies iambic pentameter, his creation is a pretty bad example of it. He twists the stresses on "lyric rampage," properly pronounced LY-ric RAM-page (a pair of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trochee trochees]), into ly-RIC ram-PAGE (a pair of iambs).

*'''Decline.''' I agree with what you're saying. Also, it's not much of a rampage to be reciting at a rate of 2 syllables per second. However, I don't think anyone learns anything from this fun fact.--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 15:53, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**Wait a '''Second!!''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 18:26, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept.''' I think it's funny that Strong Sad has to artificially make trochees into iambs, but maybe I'm just a nerd. Anyway, I'm sure not everyone will know this, so accept! <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 17:38, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Comment.''' Sign yer vote!
**'''Weak Second to a Strong Accept.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 16:01, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
***'''Third the Nerd''' -[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]]
**'''seconding the third''' [[user:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***'''seconding the seconding of the third of the...whatever. I agree.''' [[user:AtionSong|AtionSong]]
****'''20x6ing the 1936''' [[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 00:55, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second''''
**'''Second.''' --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 14:56, 17 Apr 2005 (PDT)
**'''Comment''' There is already a similar fun fact on the page.
*Great jorb!
** Uh... is that a vote? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 01:06, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Absolutely not the case!''' I see what you're saying, but it's not the case. It's just the way he did it to the beat...you wouldn't pronounce it the same if you're doing it to a beat.[[User:TakuaKaita600|TakuaKaita600]] 22:32, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Comment.''' I hate to argue with someone on my side, but: Strong Sad says in the beginning, "Iambic pentameter is where it's at!" so then he proceeds to give a line of iambic pentameter (plus one "ummmmmm" in the middle). Yes it did match the beat, but it would be more accurate to say that the beat followed an iambic metric, and because strong sad rampaged in iambs, he matched the beat (though if he had waited half a beat before starting, he could have matched the rhythm with all trochees)--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 01:31, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====Strong Sad, Charles Barkley, and Ruben Studdard...long lost triplets?====
Strong Bad's insult of "round mound of gray fatness" towards Strong Sad could be derived in part from the nickname of former NBA player [[Wikipedia:Charles Barkley|Charles Barkley]], the "Round Mound of Rebound." Also, Ruben Studdard, who won [[Wikipedia:American Idol|American Idol]] in 2003 and bears more than a slight resemblance to Strong Sad in shape, is sometimes known as the "Round Mound of Sound."

*'''Decline.''' Before Jay gets to it: This, that, and the other... If it's been used more than once elsewhere, it's not a specific reference, and therefore, unnecessary. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 12:09, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
** Well, this is two unrelated things, and (if it's true) exactly one of them is it, but we don't know which. Not EXACTLY the same thing as my usual "this that and the other thing" complaint -- ''but'' -- it's too much of a stretch in either case without some extra info, so I do have to agree with '''Decline'''-ing it. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 23:47, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline.''' Barkley and Ruben don't even look alike, much less Strong Sad. 20:52, --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Comment.''' A little Googling shows that [http://www.luma-electronic.cz/lp/p/Kenny/price_k_walking.htm Kenny Price] was the first Round Mound of Sound, way back in 1969. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 09:17, 13 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline.''' Is the SB's insult of the "Round Mound of [something that rhymes with round and mound]" type? Of course it is. Is it notable? Given that the reference has been around for at least 36 years, probably not. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 09:17, 13 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 14:58, 17 Apr 2005 (PDT)
*'''Decline.''' Strong Sad is round, a mound, gray, and fat. The only thing Strong Bad's insult is a reference to is Strong Sad's appearance. Can you streeeeeeeeetch? -- [[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 23:46, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Round Mound of Decline''' Does "Gray Fatness" rhyme with "Round" and "Mound?" [[User:SP'd|SP'd]]
*'''Rewrite''' it into something a bit more streamlined. Something like: "'Round Mound of Fatness' is a reference to other characters such as Kenny Price, the 'Round Mound of Sound', and Charles Barkely, the 'Round Mound of Rebound'". I like this Fun Fact, though.

====Dumpy Dump sat on a wall====
Strong Bad calling Strong Sad "DJ Dumpy Dump" could be a combination reference to the rappers DJ Jazzy Jeff and Humpty Hump (who Coach Z once dressed up as for Halloween). It may also be a reference to rapper Doug E. Doug.

* '''Decline''' all but Humpty Hump - it's the only one close enough. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 17:02, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Revise''' As said above, just stick with Humpty Hump. -[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]]
**'''Second.''' <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 20:16, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second.''' Now then, if he was being called "DJ Dazzy Dump", I'd agree that it might also be a reference to jazzy jeff. But that's not what's going on here. --[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 16:05, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second''' Humpty Hump is a fairly clear reference, I think.
*'''Accept''' I don't get it. It seems to me it pretty clearly a reference to DJ Jazzy Jeff. I am sure the Brothers are familiar with both. Doesn't it seem likely that they were refering to both?[[User:Theving|Theving]]
**'''Uh... no?''' It matches Humpty Hump with about three letters' difference. It matches Jazzy Jeff with about ONE letter's similarity. Why does it have to be both? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 20:41, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Silly''' They both sound a lot like it, but DJ Jazzy Jeff has the 'DJ' and the exact same rhythm. It is silly to just go by the letters.[[User:Theving|Theving]]
*** If it's VERY close to one and SORTA KINDA VAGUELY IN A WAY close to the other, why even entertain the sorta kinda vague one? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 21:25, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*** DJ Jazzy Jeff is not the only rapper with 'DJ' in his name. That's not a specific reference. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 21:32, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*** While this is true. I am hard pressed to think of one that sounds so much like DJ Dumpy Dump. Clearly I am losing this vote. (Although four to one is a pretty small sample. I have checked with friends here and they agree with me for what it is worth.) I really honestly believe it is a reference to both. I would be extremely surprised to find that The Brothers were not aware of how much it sounds like both of them. [[User:Theving|Theving]]
*'''Decline all.''' It's not a specific reference to any of those - it's a reference to Strong Bad calling Strong Sad "dumpus". --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:18, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**Well, that TOO... but it's pretty close to Humpty Hump, so I wouldn't discount the reference possibility. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 21:25, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
***I know it was obvious - I'm just skeptical of any of these. It could also be a reference to Marky Mark, or Easy E (sic), or Flavor Flav, or... you catch my drift? Having the _____-y _____ thing for a name isn't THAT uncommon - and in this sense, if you've got people coming up with three or more '''possible''' references, well then perhaps it's not actually a specific reference, and as such, it probably shouldn't be included. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:05, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''DJ Decline''' There are more than one artist whose stage names begin with "DJ." There's no similarity between "Dumpy Dump" and "Jazzy Jeff." Go away. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 06:43, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' If you can't prove it, don't post it. I will say that the Dumpty Hump reference is the most likely one, especially if TBC have referred to the guy before. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''And a comment''' I'm seeing more and more people getting blunt or just plain rude with how they reject fun facts. I can appreciate this (alot of the supposed "facts" annoy me) but maybe its time the rules were revised a bit. Maybe limit the types of facts accepted or post clearer rules at the top of the page. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' at least Humpty Hump. I also support keeping DJ Jazzy Jeff. Get rid of Doug E. Doug. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 08:59, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Rewrite.''' Ditch DJ Jazzy Jeff and Doug E. Doug.[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 20:55, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 23:47, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept''' First thing I thought of was Jazzy Jeff... Then again, I'm rap-ly challenged. Humpty Hump for sure. [[User:SP|SP]]

====Wite Wrapper====
The fact that Strong Sad's "whiteness" is acknowledged on his CD refers to famous white rappers such as [[Wikipedia:Eminem|Eminem]] and [[Wikipedia:Vanilla Ice|Vanilla Ice]].

* '''Del taco... wait...''' Hey, boys and girls, let's see how far we can streeeeeeeeetch Fun Facts! --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 19:40, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
* '''Decline''' Yeah this one is really stretching.[[User:Theving|Theving]]
** '''Second to last place.''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 02:14, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
** '''Ding!''' [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 06:44, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
* ... '''Decline''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 22:07, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' I agree that it is a reference to white rappers. The problem with this fun fact is 1)the joke is obvious and 2)Eminem is considered to be a GOOD rapper (even though I can't stand him) while Strong Sad is meant to flop. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:42, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''I think this one is worth our time, maybe we should accept it--DECLINED!''' -[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]]
*'''Decline''' Hold on The Cheat! We're gonna stretch this fun fact to the MOOOOOOOOOOOOOON! --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 13:22, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline. White is the color of his face. --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 18:02, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' based on the fact that it's common household knowledge (well, some households) as far as white wrapperas and jokes about them go.--[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]]
*'''Decline''' plus '''side note:''' There already is a fun fact about this on the page. Furthermore, Coach Z is some sort of Canadian/Minnisotan/New Englander/Bostonian white boy himself, and he can rap better than anyone else on the site. In addition, The Brothers Chaps seem to be pretty good at rapping (at least when they write and perform for Coach Z). --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 15:05, 17 Apr 2005 (PDT)
*'''Decline''' Why does the color of a rapper's skin matter? [[User:Fizz123|Someone who does not like racism]]
*'''Decline.''' It's not really like that...I think it's more of a stupid slang word for someone who doesn't rap well...It's been used so much it goes beyond being racist. (which is why Strong Bad can say it.) (So, Fizz123, it's not exactly a racist comment.)[[User:TakuaKaita600|TakuaKaita600]] 22:01, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
* I'm a girl. I don't understand this stuff. [[User:Fizz123|Fizz123]]
**Please tell me this is sarcasm. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 23:55, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*Yes, it is. [[User:Fizz123|Fizz123]]

====English Lesson====
(under the ''quiver(ed)'' definition) In early Modern English, it would have been written "Quiver'd" (not to be confused with 404'D, Cerebellum'D, etc, etc.).
* '''Decline'd''' Don't worry, I wasn't confused in the slightest. Except, perhaps, as to why you made this 'fun' fact. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 06:46, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 15:07, 17 Apr 2005 (PDT)
*'''Decline.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:43, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
* '''Decline.''' Number A, this is not interesting or relevant. Number B, how do you know Strong Bad didn't say it like Quiver'd? Quivered and quiver'd would be pronounced the same way. This shouldn't have even been STUFF'd. -- [[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 23:52, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**A,B,etc... are not numbers.
***You aren't a regular, are you? -Walking Armless
**Heh... good point on B, mibluvr13. I don't know why that didn't cross my mind when I STUFF'd this. Guess I was just thinking blindly about what was in the transcript without thinking about the actual toon. '''Decline.''' [[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 01:01, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====I'm on a Rainbow====
Strong Bad capitalizing "Reading Rampage" in the e-mail could be an allusion to [[Wikipedia:Reading Rainbow|Reading Rainbow]], the popular 90's children reading show.
*<strike>'''Decline''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:49, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)</strike>
*'''Accept/Rewrite''' I don't like the phrase "could be" in that statement. But you might be on to something there --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]
*'''Decline''' 100% pure Florida natural SPECULATION! -[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]]
*'''Decline.''' How is capitializing a phrase a reference to anything? And it's still a stretch. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 12:11, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**I submitted this fun fact because Strong Bad didn't capitalize any other rampages he mentioned, and looking at the phrase capitalized, it kind of looks and sounds like Reading Rainbow, at least alliteratively. It was the first (and so far only) thing that popped into my head as to why it was capitalized. Just wanted to state my case, whether or not it matters. [[User:GillanTheVillain|GillanTheVillain]] 17:26, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Heck no at all.''' This is a stretch and three quarters. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 13:38, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Accept.''' That's pretty clever, actually! I like it. [[User:TakuaKaita600|TakuaKaita600]] 15:47, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**Being clever is far from a prerequisite for a fun fact. Anyway, '''Decline''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 05:13, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''SEVERE Decline!!!''' Anyone who thinks that is a reference needs to have their brain checked, no offense. --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 18:11, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*Are you kidding me? There's serious doubt. But not about whether this fact should be '''DECLINE'D!!!''' [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline.''' If there's no certainty of the connection, it shouldn't be listed. [[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 19:54, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''VOTE CHANGE! SECOND!''' That's true, Beatfox. I think the only reason I voted yes before was because it sounded hillarious as a spoof...I mean, Reading Rainbow...Reading Rampage? Hahahahaha! Someone ought to make a flash 'toon about that![[User:TakuaKaita600|TakuaKaita600]] 20:45, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.'''If you do a google search for the phrase "reading rampage", you will see that there are a great many libraries in the U S of A that sponsor reading rampages! Still, I like the way you think. It's a stretch, but clearly you have a good sense of humor :)--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 16:18, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*My Land! [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=reading+rampage Google] ''does'' show lots & '''lots''' of Reading Rampages going ORRRRF in the USA! This is more that just a stretch. The fact as written is just plain wrong. This is a real-world reference. I'm upgrading my vote to an '''Infinite Decline with a Major Rewrite.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 16:36, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' The rules of the STUFF'd page prohibit this type of unverified trivia. --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 15:05, 17 Apr 2005 (PDT)
*'''Weak Decline''' I think that although this could be a connection, I think that it's stretching it a little. Strong Bad ''vaguely'' says it like Reading Rainbow in the e-mail, but not so much that it stands out to you. I could see why you'd say this, but I still think that you're probably incorrect. -- [[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 4:08 PM, 15 Apr 2005
*'''New Trell''' You do happen to provide sufficient reasoning for the Reading Rainbow reference, but the past comments on Reading Rampages are also... well... I DON'T KNOW. I'M NEUTRAL, I DON'T HAVE TO SAY ANYTHING! ...Yeah [[User:SP'd|SP'd is crazy]]

====Marzipan's Speech Impediment====
Marzipan seems to stutter uncharacteristically during the phrase "would be proud."
*'''Accept.''' I thought this was a rather unusual observation on a character who's normally very proficient with her speech. [[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 20:05, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' For once, I think this is legitimate. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 13:19, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept.''' It sure doesn't sound like "Geoff Chaucerbury" to me! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 21:43, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept.''' I didn't even notice this. Very nice. Clap, clap. -- [[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 23:53, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' Because, uh, why does it need to be in Fun Facts? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 01:23, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second''' It's noted in the transcript (would be is written twice). --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 01:50, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
***'''Comment''' True, but it's not immediately obvious to the casual reader. It could easily be overlooked or mistaken for a typo. [[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 06:39, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
****'''Countercomment''' Dan vs. Jerome was similar in its construct - it was in the transcript but non-obvious. It was declined too. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 07:16, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second''' --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 01:52, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second with a side of DECLINE!''' Sounded more like a simple flash goof to me. Nothing worth noting. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
***'''Comment''' Whatever it is, it's not a glitch. I checked it out in a sound editor. Not only are the two "would be's" unique, they make up one continuous phrase. There's no discontinuity in the waveform, and the tone of voice transitions seamlessly. [[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 03:14, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Comment.''' -- I believe it's worth noting on a few counts. First, it's unusual for TBC to make this kind of goof. Second, it verifies what people believe they've heard. Third, it prevents people from trying to read into the dialog what's just not there (e.g. Geoff Chaucerbury). There! I doubt I swayed any of the Decliners, but I've had my say! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 19:17, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept '''but''' Move.''' Given that close analysis of the sound track has revealed that this is an actual occurance and not a glitch, it should be taken as valid, but perhaps would be best left as part of the transcript. --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 15:15, 17 Apr 2005
*'''Comment.''' Apparently, some less-informed person decided to correct this "typo" in the transcript. I have restored it and added an HTML comment to ward off such attempts in the future... whatever happened to the comment that was there before? In any case, we should at least have ''something'' on the page to point out this oddity. [[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 04:35, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Because''' someone changed it to "Chaucerbury", we talked about it, agreed it was wrong, and the person who changed it back didn't put back the comment. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 12:33, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====More Pie, Anyone?====
"The pie's the limit" may be refering to Strong Bad's wednesday pie motivational talks in [[other days]].
*'''Decline.''' Just because it contains "pie" doesn't necessarily mean it's a reference. And I don't like the "may be". [[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 22:54, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Weak Decline.''' I want to accept this, I really do, but there's just not enough there there. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 22:58, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''I can't think of a Decline pun right now''' Well, in my opinion, it's just a play on "The Sky's The Limit." Pie is actually a pretty widely used running gag on H*R, including the pie motivational talks mentioned earlier, piemonade, etc. So if anything, this should be in some other section. [[User:SP|SP]]
*'''Decline''' Hot soup is on my eye![[user:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline.''' "The pie's the limit" is a reference to the old saying "The sky's the limit." Strong Bad was just being silly by saying pie instead of sky. -[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]]
*I don't know why, but when I see "may be" in a fun fact, I can see a kitten dying. '''Declinester''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 01:55, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' That and it violates the guidelines of good fun facts (see top of page). --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 15:16, 17 Apr 2005

====Chicken Soup for the Soul====
One of the books seen during Strong Bad's "reading rampage" is titled Soup, Right?, a reference to the "[[Wikipedia:Chicken Soup for the Soul|Chicken Soup for the Soul]]" book series.
*'''Accept'''I like Chicken Soup! You dang right it's a reference![[User: Umbertowasted|Umbertowasted]]
*'''Decline.''' Stretchy stretchy Stretch Armstrong! <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 19:32, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' Streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetch! --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 20:00, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept''' I am sure this is an intentional reference.[[User:Theving|Theving]]
*'''Weak Accept''' I can see this. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 01:24, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 19:23, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' They stretch you, and stretch you, and STREEEEEEEETCH you! --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 01:53, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept''' No more a stretch than the ''For Jerks'' book referencing the ''For Dummies'' ones. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**Except that "Soup, Right?" doesn't sound at all like Chicken Soup for the Soul, whereas "(Topic) for Jerks" is just like "(Topic) for Dummies".
*'''Decline.''' Soup, Right? could be short for "Soup Done Right" or something like that. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 13:20, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''No way, Lucy.''' Sharing one word doesn't make it a reference. Seriously, people, you're not even trying anymore. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 14:46, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' You're stretching! Like RB said: It's only sharing ONE word!! Come on, people!! [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 18:29, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' Not trying? Seems more like they're trying too hard. -[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]]
*'''Delete.''' There's not way that that is a reference. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 17:37, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I based my vote based on the fact that the books Strong Bad is reading are meant to sound like advice books. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''DELORTED!''' That almost definitely doesn't have anything to do with anything. That's like saying "Sweatshirtguy" is a reference to Rocky.
*'''Insert witty DECLINE comment here''' MAJOR STRETCH! Just cause they share the same word doesn't mean they're related. Wow. [[User:SP'd|SP'd]]
**'''Second.''' Totally unsupported theory. --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 15:18, 17 Apr 2005
*'''Accept''' Definately a reference
**'''Sign teh vote!''' -[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 00:02, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**"Definately" not. '''DECLINED''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 01:56, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Inclined to Decline.''' [[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 06:23, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept.''' While we're at it, "Biscuit" is a reference to "Seabiscuit."--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 18:05, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**Are you sure you didn't want to type decline? [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 03:37, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**I meant accept. Try to name other bestsellers with the words "soup" or "biscuit" in them. It seems clear to me that the titles aren't just random--they're either references to real books, real things (brown story), or HR references. The only thing that seems random to me is Strong Mad's waffle, which reads "BUG."--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:18, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
***I'm not convinced. It's still one word, and both words happen to be kinds of food. And I, for one, didn't even know "Seabiscuit" was a book til you mentioned it. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 00:06, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
***FYI, the book "Seabiscuit" was a major bestseller even before the movie came out.
****Excuuuuse me, Princess, for being a disaffected youth. I haven't picked up anything worth reading since Hitchhiker trilogy. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 22:41, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*And, rsl12, you're basing your crackpot theory on the fact that the words soup and biscuit appear in SBemails? Sorry, wrong. You're an idiot. Good-bye.-- [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 13:08, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*Goodbye. Hope you don't come back. --[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 13:41, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*Okay, okay, enough with the insults. Agree to disagree. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 18:52, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*I'll stop, but I don't like how some people can totally go blind in saying someone has no manners for STUFFing a fun fact. Either way, my vote is upgraded to '''Severe Decline/Delete.'''--[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 20:11, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====It's a Bird, it's a Plane, it's Pie???====

"The pie's the limit" is a reference to the quote, "The sky is the limit," which is found on Thorax Corporation's website.

*'''Decline-erson''' Not only is this fact too obvious, but "The sky is the limit" is a cliché, and is not exclusive to Throax.--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 23:23, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
* Well look who thinks he's Clever Dan. Wait, you're wrong, it's a reference to the Notorious B.I.G., he made a song called "Sky's the Limit" so he must've copyrighted the phrase!!!!111one Ugh...
*'''Decline x999''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 06:05, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Piecline.''' Sorry, that's the best I can do with this one. Why wasn't this just deleted? --- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:16, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**Because I wanted to make sure it wasnt just my oppinion that this stunk.--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 23:48, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**Looks like you're not alone on this one! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 16:23, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**Re: why this wasn't just deleted: there's a lot of fun facts on these transcripts that should just be disposed of promptly. This one I agree with. But then again, if we did that, there wouldn't be a STUFF page. And by the way, I also '''decline.''' -- [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 15:46, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

===[[time capsule]]===
====Norse mythology====
The line about making people from spit may be a reference to a Norse myth, in which the Aesir (war gods) and Vanir (fertility gods), to seal a peace treaty between them, made a man (named Braugi) from their collective spit. He knew all their combined secrets, but was eventually killed by giants.
*'''Decline.''' It's more likely a reference to the fact that spit contains DNA, and it may one day be possible to clone someone from their DNA. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 15:03, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 22:08, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Third''' Coincidental. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:39, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
* While I'm suprised about how much you know about Norse Mythology...'''Decline''' [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]
*'''Decline.''' Uh... no. While that's a very well thought-out reach, it's still a reach - the reference is to cloning from DNA. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 12:12, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second.''' It's probably a reference to DNA and cloning. [[User:TakuaKaita600|TakuaKaita600]] 15:24, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
* You obviously put a lot of work into this one, but unfortunately, I must '''Decrine.''' As said by other folks above, it's a reference to cloning from DNA. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 14:49, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Revise and Accept.''' This is a FUN FACT! Mind you, I highly doubt this is what TBC were trying to reference, but my life has been enriched by reading this. I would suggest rewriting it, however, to say "There is a story in Nordic mythology in which the Aesir (war gods)...." This way, there's no suggestion that TBC was trying to reference this fact.--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 16:24, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' No way does this work. The whole joke is based on the popular misconseption of what cloning is. Clones are genetic twins, not exact duplicates with the same minds, thoughts, and memories of the original. -- [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 15:21, 17 Apr 2005

===[[pizzaz]]===
====Third Interview====
This is the third time Strong Bad has interviewed somebody. He "interviewed" [[Homsar]] (actually himself speaking for Homsar) in the email "[[interview]]" and he interviewed [[Homestar]] in the toon [[The Interview]].
*'''Accept.''' Nice one. [[User:hamrodrunner|hamrodrunner]]
*'''Decline.''' This should never have been STUFF-ed. It should have been deleted outright. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 10:48, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second''' To paraphrase a below quote, fun facts aren't made to count how many times things happen. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 13:21, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second''' <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 13:28, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline to the moon''' Firsts are noteworthy... thirds aren't so much. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 14:28, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Move/revise''' How about moving it to the Fast Forward of the "interview" e-mail and saying something like "Strong Bad also conducts interviews in [[The Interview]] and [[pizzaz]]." [[User:ComputerBox|Tom H]] 17:25, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**How about not? Noting how many times Strong Bad conducts interviews isn't fun - anybody watching those e-mails can tell for themselves whether or not he's conducting interviews. And the fact that the two toons being referenced actually have the word "interview" in the title makes this one even more obvious and unnecessary. '''Declined''' --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:08, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 15:24, 17 Apr 2005
*'''Decline''' Nobody cares. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Severe Decline!''' First times are somewhat interesting, second times are not, and third times are hazardous to your health.
*'''Declination Nation.''' No offense, man. I mean, you should get credit for trying, but it's just, well, boring. No one cares.[[User:TakuaKaita600|TakuaKaita600]] 20:47, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

===[[Homestarloween Party]]===
====CREEPING floating DEATH flashlight====
When everyone is telling ghost stories, no one actually holds the flashlight with his or her hands. It just sort of floats in front of everyone. With Homestar, Marzipan, and the King of Town, this makes sense, since none of them have visible hands, but we should see everybody else's hands.

*'''Decline''' I suppose that they couldn't be seen holding the flashlight, but their arms could be behind the black circle, so...nope. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 17:59, 10 Apr 2005 (MDT)
* '''Declinez0rs''' Didn't we already see this? [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 22:09, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
** '''Second''' I believe so, but apparently the person who posted this goof moved it back when he found it STUFF'd, so it was STUFF'd again. -[[User:Upset_Your_Balance|Upset_Your_Balance]]
*'''Decline.''' This is just a continuation of one of the site's longest running gags: none of the characters have a normal physiology. -- [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 15:27, 17 Apr 2005

===[[Fhqwhgads]]===
====Not Expecting====
Fhqwhgads actually just sent the Email as a joke. It was not intended to be used. However, Fhqwhgads, whose personal information will not be revealed because of a request not to, did say this in an AIM conversation: "I didn't spoof a virus. I just loved him [Strong Bad]. A virus was the exact opposite of what I wanted to be." If you don't believe this, you can contact him-his AIM screename is IamFHQWHGADS142. (He has pride that he is Fhqwhgads) -[[User:TakuaKaita600|TK600]]

'''VERDICT:''' This item was closed on request by the author. See below for a new version of this fun fact. Voting moved to [[Talk:Fhqwhgads]]--[[User:-erson|<nowiki>Posted by </nowiki>-erson]] 01:27, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====The joke theory====
- (An outcome of "Not Expecting")
- It's been theorized that this [that the email was a spoof of the "i love you" virus] is not true. A person claiming to be Fhqwhgads said he actually just sent the Email as a joke, and that it was not intended to be used. "I didn't spoof a virus," he said, "I just loved him [Strong Bad]. A virus was the exact opposite of what I wanted to be." However, due to a concern about personal provacy, he would not give any information. -[[User:TakuaKaita600|TakuaKaita600]] 17:36, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)

*'''Still Decline''' Next thing you know the Wiki will be flooded with kids claiming to have their own story about why they e-mailed Strong Bad. Too much speculation, no real way to prove any of it. Its bad enough that we have people thinking they can get their fun facts in by putting "It may be" or "Its possible that" in with them. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 07:33, 13 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''2nd.''' --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 19:02, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept.''' I can see how we wouldn't want to let this get out of hand, but we're fighting a problem we don't even have. If people were going to randomly and falsely claim to be email authors, I think they'd already be doing it. Plus, we're not talking about accepting ''all'' such claims; we're only concerned here with ''this'' case (and if the Supreme Court of the United States can make a ruling while at the same time declaring that it ''doesn't'' set precedent, so can we). Lastly, I think TK genuinely believes to be in contact with ''the'' fhqwhgads, and that should carry some weight. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 08:54, 13 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**Thank you. And I assure everyone here: neither I nor any of my comrades (including Fwh) is anywhere near crazy. ^_^ In fact, I really hate nonevident and irrational claims, and I most certainly would not want the wiki to be flooded with them! But I seriously know THE Fhqwhgads -TK
*Well I genuinly think that I'm in contact with people who can't get my point. It could be true yes but he can't prove it so it shouldn't go up in any way shape or form. No different than any other fun fact that needs proof to be accepted. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline-erson''' Is it not possible that this potential AIM'er could be a fake, just claiming to be Fwh but not him truely? And, if it was the true Fwh, than wouldnt it make sence that his AIM name (IamFHQWHGADS142) wouldnt have numbers at the end, as the real Fwh would probably be the first person to make such a name and wouldnt require the numbers at the end of it.--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 12:45, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**That's NOT the Fun Fact in question. You're thinking of "Not expecting." This is different! Plus lemee just clarify this: in order to fully understand the esscense of THIS fact, you gotta forget it even HAD a predescessor (and all the information included in that one.)[[User:TakuaKaita600|TakuaKaita600]] 20:26, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
***Well than, how did you get that information and those quotes? By talking to a person on AIM. How do you know that person was the real Fwh? You dont! Still '''Decline'''. --[[User:-erson|-erson]] 23:27, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Comment.''' The person COULD have just wanted numbers in his screename. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 20:21, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
***Exactly! You tryin to say I should just be TakuaKaita? A little insulting. [[User:TakuaKaita600|TakuaKaita600]]
**'''Comment.''' The real Fwh would not have made an AIM name before writing the e-mail because it was random banging on the keyboard. Only once the e-mail had become famous would s/he have made that name. By that time, someone else likely took the AIM name first, forcing the real Fwh to add numbers.--[[User:homestar3.14|homestar3.14]] 17:08, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Comment.''' Both versions hinge upon a quote from the purported foogoograss. The quote is impossible to verify. As a result, both fact and theory should be rejected. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:41, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**Which is why "claimed" is used...look you gous are missing the point...the point is it wasn't based on the virus, not that I know Fwh. Besides, if proof is all you guys seem to care about, what "proof" do we have that it WAS based on the virus?[[User:TakuaKaita600|TakuaKaita600]] 21:45, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**I dunno, maybe the large Scare that passed during the same time this email was released? It could be an influence considering it wason every news station across the land. I mean honestly... And note: in order for it to be a fun '''fact''', it needs proof. Its not a fact without it! --[[User:-erson|Posted by -erson ]] 22:48, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Comment.'''You're right. There is no proof. Frankly, I think the "virus" theory should be deleted/stuff-ed. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 22:30, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

===[[date]]===
====Ren & Stimpy XR====
The logo for the Extra Real Dating Sim XR is based on the logo for the Nickelodeon cartoon "Ren & Stimpy".

*'''Decline.''' Close, but no cigar. It doesn't even use the Ren & Stimpy font. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 17:24, 8 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Weak Second.''' Hmmm... but I don't really see how this would be a fun fact... [[User:the spludge|the spludge]] 20:28, 8 Apr 2005 (CST)
*'''decline.exe''' Seriously, if this was any more of a stretch, it could reach Mars. ... Yeah, that was bad. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 20:44, 8 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''DOUBLE DECLINE!!!''' Along with "seconding" with the above, I was a die-hard Ren & Stimpy fan when they still showed it, and I don't remember anything vaguely remotely relating to the sim. Even if there was, it's more of a stretch than Silly Putty . [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]]
**'''Second!''' --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 18:21, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)

=== [[the show]] ===
====Homestar's "Arms"====
Unless Homestar is holding the microphone under his armpit when he is reciting his list, this is another one of those times when it's questionable as to how many invisible arms he has: he holds the microphone in one hand, his cards in the other, and flips them over each other all at the same time.

'''Verdict:''' After two weeks of voting, this fact was overwhelmingly '''Declined'''. Discussion moved to [[Talk:the show]]. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 12:15, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

=== [[suntan]] ===
====Marzipan's Parasol====
Marzipan is carrying a toothpick parasol one would normally receive with a tropical drink, only hers seems to be much larger than normal. Except that tropical drink parasols are modelled after real parasols . . . which are, you know, real . . .

''After a week of unanimous declines, this Fun Fact has been closed. The votes for this fun fact can be seen at the [[Talk:suntan|talk page]] of suntan.

=== [[local news]] ===
====Scalawag====
"Scalawag" may possibly be a reference to a Calvin and Hobbes strip in which Calvin and Hobbes sing the "Very Sorry Song" :
:(Calvin) "I'm sorry, so sorry I took your precious flaaaaag"
:(Hobbes) "Just don't do it again you scurvy scalawaaaaaag"

'''VERDICT:''' This fact has been rejected. The discussion can be found at [[Talk:local news]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:08, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

=== [[brianrietta]] ===
==== "Tough Guys"? ====
This is the only reference to homosexuality in the entire site, '''and thankfully Strong Bad handled it more maturely than most "tough guys" would have.'''

'''Verdict:''' After two weeks of voting, the majority of votes said to '''Decline''' this fact outright. Discussion moved to [[Talk:brianrietta]]. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 15:09, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

===[[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]]===
====Hom Sar Ref====
On the third page, the line "GEE-AMES!" is actually a reference to the Homsar Main Page, when the mouse is moved over the "Games" bubble. --[[User:SgtKeeling|SgtKeeling]]

'''VERDICT:''' This fact has been rejected. The discussion can be found at [[Talk:HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:00, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====Trial Game origin====

The trial game is based upon the [[Scrolling Shooter Games Menu]] - the trial game's [http://www.homestarrunner.com/SevenSecondTrialGame.swf Flash file] contains graphics and sounds used on the Games menu but not in the trial game.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact has been rejected. The discussion can be found at [[Talk:HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 14:57, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====False Advertising====

The second page claims "ACCESS TO ALL 230+ STRONG BAD EMAILS!" when there were only 127 emails at the time it was posted. This parodies how subscription sites often flagrantly misrepresent their content.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact has been accepted. The discussion can be found at [[Talk:HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]] -- tomstiff 14:57, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====Special Appearance====
Mr. Shmallow can just barely be seen in the fourth screen of the 'toon.

''After a week of unanimous declines, this fun fact has been rejected. You can see the votes at [[Talk:HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]].

====Whats Her Face's lack of appearance====

For whatever reason, Whats her face was shown on the 4th page, but not at all in the "trial" TGS cartoon.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact has been rejected. The discussion can be found at [[Talk:HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 14:54, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====Basement-to-Computer Room Ratio====

According to the "Trap Door" clip, the computer room and the basement are two different floors, even though Strong Bad is never seen going up stairs when he goes from the couch to the computer room in cartoons like [[morning routine]].

'''Verdict:''' After over two weeks of voting, this fact was unanimously '''Declined'''. Moved to [[Talk:HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]] --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 15:22, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====Tall homestar?====
In that clip on the second page, Strong Bad says the trap is a 2-foot trap. When homestar falls, about 3/4 of his body is still above the floor. He must be about 8-9 feet!

'''Verdict:''' After over two weeks of voting, this fact was overwhelmingly '''Declined'''. Moved to [[Talk:HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]]. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 15:13, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====Updated for the 90's====
Teen Girl Squad couldn't have been updated for the nineties, the SB E-mail it premiered in first showed in 2002.

'''Verdict:''' After two weeks of voting, this fact was unanimously '''Declined'''. Moved to [[Talk:HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]]. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 15:17, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

===[[Mr. Shmallow (toon)]]===
====Sweating====
Mr. Shmallow sweating is a reference to old television sets where the lights required to light up the set often made the set uncomfortably hot.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact was rejected. The discussion can be found at [[Talk:Mr. Shmallow (toon)]]. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:51, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

===[[long pants]]===
====X-Pensive Winos====
The text "X-PENSIVE W..." appearing on Strong Bad's 'light pen' before he shakes it up may be a reference to Rolling Stones guitarist [[Wikipedia:Keith Richards|Keith Richards']] solo band the X-Pensive Winos.

*'''Decline.''' Stretchy "might be" reference. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:09, 8 Apr 2005 (MDT)

*'''Decline.''' The W is for "white". Could be a refence, but could just as easily not be. --[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08 Apr 2005
**'''Second.''' But we all know that the W stands for "witches' brew." <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 17:41, 8 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second.''' Interesting, but it's a bit of a stretch. [[User:TakuaKaita600|TakuaKaita600]] 14:51, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)[[User:TakuaKaita600|TK600]]
*'''Decline''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:09, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''X-Pensive Decline.''' Since it is white-out, W for White makes the most sense. And substituting letter sounds for words or word parts is a common practice in product branding... X-tra this, E-Z that, etc. [[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 06:38, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' Is there any evidence TBC are a fan of, or even aware of, this group? They seem to be more into the punk/alt rock/retro metal scene. [[User:Lucres|Lucres]] 17:13, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====Rodeo Hot Dogs====
"Rodeo Hot dogs" is a reference to the old Oscar Meyer mascot.

*'''Decline.''' It's not "Rodeo Hot Dogs", it's "Rodeo and Tragic Clown Hot Dogs" - meaning the word "rodeo" modifies "clown" not "hot dogs" (in other words, It's a reference to rodeo clowns). Even so, this is a huge stretch. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:09, 8 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' There is no stretch as there is no basis in fact for this...fact. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline.''' Just read the [http://www.kraftfoods.com/om/bn/c_News/news_History1.htm Oscar Meyer company history] looking for a shred of eveidence. I could have missed it, but the article didn't mention a mascot, just the weinermobile. Let's have some evidence before asserting something as a fact! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08 Apr 2005
*'''decline''' I think you mean the twinkie mascot -smooth criminal
*'''Decline on two fronts.'''' I doubt the Oscar MAYER mascot is a reference, and I doubt Twinkie The Kid is either (he's just a yellow sponge cake cowboy). [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 13:01, 10 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*A link would have been nice. '''Decline''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:09, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====Edga Jr. removes text?====
Strong Bad opens up [[Edga Jr.]] and when it goes away, all the text written before it is gone.

*'''Weak Decline''' Since Strong Bad actually calls up the text in question bringing back his e-mail program with no problems, I really don't see this as being a Goof (I moved it here from Goofs). --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.''' Just watched it and the text from the e-mail comes RIGHT back after the splash screen. Upgrading my vote to '''Severe Decline.''' --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:46, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.'''The email comes back, but Strong Bad's response disappears. -LuigiHann
*'''Accept.''' I don't think Eggman understands what this fact is saying. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:48, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Comment.''' And you can tell what I'm thinking from two posts?... Wow, amazing. I understand NOW what it's saying, but I still don't think it's a goof - what's the point of running Edga Jr. on what Strong Bad just typed? In any case, since we don't know exactly what keys Strong Bad pressed to bring the e-mail back up, but it's possible he could have just brought the e-mail back up so that he could do his "X-pensive Light Pen' thingie on it. It's still not deserving of a Goof entry since we don't accurately know what keys were pressed or even what was intended to happen - at the very least, it's a weak Remark, not a Goof. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:11, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline.''' The fact is accurate, poorly written, and not notable as a Goof or anything else. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:05, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Accepty-Go-Nuts. But Rewrite first.''' I see what you're saying...but it's poorly written. Please rewrite it.[[User:TakuaKaita600|TakuaKaita600]] 22:41, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====Homestar Over Correction Fluid====
When Homestar appears on the Lappy's screen, he isn't covered by the correction fluid, but rather, he shows up on top of it.

'''Verdict:''' After almost a month of voting, this fact was voted to be '''Moved''' from Goofs to Remarks on [[long pants]]. The discussion can be found at [[Talk:long pants]]. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 13:50, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====Bedroom Window====
Homestar's bedroom window was right next to his bed in [[Homestar Presents: Presents]], but in the Easter Egg, you can't see the window anywhere, even though it should be in the shot. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 13:52, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)

'''Verdict:''' After almost a month of voting, this fact was '''Declined'''. Discussion moved to [[Talk:long pants]]. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 12:43, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====Breaking the Lappy====
Strong Bad indicates that The Cheat has a history of breaking the Lappy. Perhaps The Cheat demonstrated this tendency with the Compy 386 as well. This may explain why the Compy apparently bore a grudge against The Cheat, as demonstrated in [[couch patch]].
*'''Decline.''' First, this is really a stretch. Second, The Cheat didn't break the Lappy—Strong Bad was making that up. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:03, 8 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Second.''' The Cheat doesn't break the Lappy, Strong Bad just blames him for his own problems. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 17:43, 8 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*I've carefully set aside the time for '''declining''' this fun fact. Strong Bad is obviously using the Cheat as a scapegoat here. [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 20:50, 8 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline.'''[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 07:51, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Rewrite, then accept.''' You have a good foundation, but you rambled a little bit. I would just cut it to the fact that SB said "broke the lappy again," intending that the Cheat maay have broken it before.[[User:TakuaKaita600|TakuaKaita600]] 18:08, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*There's gotta be a better word for '''Decline''' Strong Bad simply doesn't want to admit he broke it. [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]

===[[Main Page 6]]===
====Outta Sync?====
Strong Bad's movements are not in sync. He says "Holy Crap!" way too early.

*'''Decline''' If the movements of Strong Bad's mouth are out of sync, why dontcha look at the .swf version and turn down the quality? But, why should it matter? --[[User:the spludge|the spludge]] 20:19, 26 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Decline''' Although it's the words and not the mouth, anyone going to the site will notice this.
*'''Revise and Accept.''' It isn't that his mouth is out of sync with the animation—rather, the words weren't animated at all. The only reason his mouth moves is due to the surprise of his falling. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 11:19, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' The problem is that he says "Holy Crap!" just before falling, which completely takes away the comedic timing of an otherwise hilarious gag.
**'''Second''' Did it use to work? Because I think it was fine a long time ago, but not anymore. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 08:50, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' It DOES screw with the timing of the joke. Mouth movements aren't the issue here. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second''' I ALWAYS noticed this, and I always thought it was a problem with my browser handling Flash stuff too slow. But it seems to be the case that the "Holy Crap" comes too early. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:43, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 23:43, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

===[[techno]]===
====Silent J====
Strong Bad might have said "Oh very clever" after reading the name Silent J because it could be a reference to Jay and Silent Bob, a pair of recurring characters from [[Wikipedia:Kevin Smith|Kevin Smith's]] movies. It also may be clever because it's referring to the concept of a silent letter (for example, one would say "the word 'jalapeno' has a silent J"), and making reference to Silent Bob at the same time.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact was accepted. The discussion has been moved to [[Talk:techno]]. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 14:13, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

===[[the bet]]===
====Forgotten Lie====
Strong bad says in the King of Town DVD that the King does not live in a castle. However, in this email he seems to have forgotten all about it.
*'''Decline.''' Strong Bad does things like this frequently, and it's not the first time he's lied about something, i.e. The Cheat not having a computer in [[huttah!]] -Walking Armless
*'''Rewrite and accept.''' The idea's there, but it's a little wordy. Cut it down maybe to something like "Strong Bad said in the DVD that he didn't have a castle, but aspparently he does here."[[User:TakuaKaita600|TakuaKaita600]] 20:06, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

===[[That A Ghost]]===
====Sickly Sam's lucky day====
This is the only old-timey toon so far that does not have Sickly Sam "dying".
*'''Neutral''' I guess this is fine, but i need to watch the old-timey cartoons to make sure that he has appeared in at least three to make sure that he hasnt just died in one and lived in another. This an all right fact, i think. What about the rest of you? --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:01, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Has Sickly Sam died in anything other than Parsnips a Plenty?
*'''Decline''' I think that any fun fact with the phrase "so far" or the like should be rejected automatically. Besides, didn't he not die in the kick the can cartoons? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Comment''' Sickly Sam was never in [[Kick the Can]]. Oh, and Sickly Sam did "die" in [[Mr. Shmallow (toon)|Mr. Shmallow]] (easter egg). He also fell of the I-beam in [[Ballad of The Sneak]] (if that counts). --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 13:39, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' "Fun" facts that can become easily dated are "bad" facts. --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:17, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite and Accept''' I've watched all the cartoons that Sickly Sam is in, and That a Ghost seems to be the only one where he doesn't die (even though all the characters were skinned alive, none of them seemed to be "dead"). I would have to agree with Donny, but I'll just say to take out "so far", and delete this fact if he survives in another old-timey toon. However, I guess this fact's fate is up to the rest of the voting public, too. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
**'''Second'''--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 21:46, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
** Ummm, my basis for declining this fact was that it could be easily become false. Removing "so far" from it doesn't change that. Also, the fact relies on Sickly Sam being in every old timey cartoon for it to work. He isn't in kick the can so he doesn't die there (even if it is by a technicallity). The fun fact just doesn't work. [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Rewrite''' How about "This is Sickly Sam's first appearance where he does not 'die'." --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 14:15, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline Slightly''' We can all see Sickly Sam ATTEMPTED to kill himself by burying himself alive on a Tuesday. -Walking Armless
**1936 Bubs was buried alive too, but he seemed to be OK. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 17:31, 25 Mar 2005 (MST)
*I disagree that anything noted as "so far" is bad (though "this is the first time" is usually more appropriate.) However, this fact isn't totally true as stated, so '''Rewrite and accept''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Cory====
The painting marked "Cory" is most likely a reference to [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 11.2]].
*'''BACLINED! Wait, no...''' OR it could be a reference to [[cheat talk]]. OR it could just be some randomly chosen name. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 11:43, 9 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*Well, Cory from [[cheat talk]] was a real person, so TBC couldn't have come up with that. And cheat talk Cory is a city in the Homestarverse. Painting Cory and Camdidate Cory are people. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 12:54, 9 Apr 2005 (MDT)
** So what if they didn't invent the name for cheat talk? The name still came up, so the "reference" is just as valid. And, as I said, there's the whole "randomly chosen name" scenario. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:41, 9 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' The answering machine could have been referring to a "Corey", or "Cori", not neccessarily "Cory".
*'''Most Likely Declined''' Your geekdar is overly sensitive, when was the last time you had an expert look at it? [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 06:10, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

=== [[best thing]] ===
====Who is John Bozar?====
Bozar's huge cranium, love of bizarre magical pranks, and insulting manner of addressing the heroes of the show bears a strong resemblance to the antics of [[Wikipedia:Mr_Mxyzptlk|Mr. Mxyzptlk]], a derby-wearing, fifth-dimensional imp and Superman antagonist who periodically appeared in Metropolis to pester the Last Son of Krypton with his reality-altering powers.

:He also bears a resemblance to [[Wikipedia:The Great Gazoo|the Great Gazoo]] from The Flintstones.

:He also resembles a megalomaniacal antagonist from the 90's show [[Wikipedia:Mighty Max|Mighty Max]] called [http://omegacron.com/mighty_max/enemies.htm Dr. Zygote], who had an oversized brain/head, alien-like features, and would construct elaborate schemes to rule/destroy humanity.

:He appears to be saying 'Muddle me twice' at the begining of his line, which is similar to Batman villain The Riddler's (in his various incarnations) catchphrase of 'riddle me this'.

:He may have been partly inspired by the similar alien character [[Wikipedia:Q_%28Star_Trek%29|Q]] from Star Trek: The Next Generation, who occasionally made an appearance, much to the annoyance of Captain Picard.

*Keep '''Mr. Mxyzptlk''' and '''The Great Gazoo'''. Scrap the rest. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 16:01, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 19:18, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' The "Great Gazoo" bit is DEFINITELY a reference as the cartoon is a parody of Hanna Barbera cartoons. I'm not so certain about Mr. Mxyzptlk, but I do agree that it's a valid reference. However, I think Gazoo should come first, as per the Flintstones parody. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:32, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
***'''Comment.''' Just did a little checking - Gazoo first appeared in 1964, while Mr. Mxyzptlk first appeared in 1987, as did Q (on the pilot of ST:TNG). Gazoo should be first in the fact as he's first chronologically, and while I'm still iffy about Mxyzptlk being included, seeing as how the title of the episode "Encounter at Groupulon 5" is a reference to the pilot of ST:TNG, I think the Q reference is definitely valid. Mighty Max is a huge stretch, though the hat and the "muddle me twice" line definitely seem to point to a Riddler reference. John Bozar seems to be an amalgam of all of them - this may be a TTATOT fact, but for once, there's a basis for it. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:38, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
***'''Comment.''' According to Wikipedia, [[Wikipedia:Mr._Mxyzptlk|Mr. Mxyzptlk]] was introduced in 1944. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:46, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
****'''Comment.''' My bad - I didn't realize he was THAT old. Curse the internet for diseminating false information! In any case, I still think he's an amalgam of Mxyzptlk, Gazoo, Q, and Riddler - but then we get into TTATOT territory. Still, with this being an OBVIOUS Hanna Barbera parody, I think Gazoo should take precedence. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 14:25, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline''' I thought we'd already declined this TTATOT fact. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 20:50, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Comment''' Actually Jay, I think we declined the fact about the guy with the metal jaw, not Bozar. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:54, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==== Albi refs Abdi?? ====
Strong calls the author of the email Albi, which is a reference to the author of the first email, [[some kinda robot]], who was named Abdi.

*'''Decline.''' Albi is short for Albin, not a reference to Abdi. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:13, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:55, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
***'''Yep. Yep. Yeap. Second.''' -Walking Armless
**'''Threecond.''' [[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 03:31, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 19:18, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*...urge to kill...rising... '''Decline''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 06:11, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==== Guitar throw refs [[invisibility]]?? ====
When Space Gary throws his guitar and says "I guess I won't be needing THIS anymore," it is a reference to [[invisibility]]. Strong Bad says the same thing when he gets rid of the broken [[Tandy 400]] and replaces it with the [[Compy 386]].

*'''Decline.''' Inflection is different, throwing is different than knocking off the desk, and the line isn't even the same ("And don't need THIS anymore"). --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:13, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Go TheEggman!!''' Uh... I mean '''Second!''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 05:50, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:56, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 19:18, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' It's a common phrase. --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 19:14, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*Oh please... are you surfing HR.com randomly looking for things to correlate? '''Decline!''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 06:12, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==== rrll == grrl ?? ====
The use of "rrll rrll" is probably the latest version of "[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Special:Search?search=grrl grrl]."

*'''Decline.''' The latest version, what? "rrll" is for "real", "grrl" is for "girl" - what's the relation, besides not using any vowels? --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:13, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''¡Second!''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 05:50, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second.''' - [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:53, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Segundo.''' [[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 03:34, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 19:18, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*It's not even worth it to be sarcastic. '''Decline''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 06:13, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==== Rudiments ====
"rrll rrll" is a common short-hand notation for a [http://www.vicfirth.com/education/rudiments/06longroll.html double-stroke roll], which is a percussion rudiment executed by playing two strokes on a single hand followed by two in the alternate hand and repeating.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact was rejected. The discussion has been moved to [[Talk:best thing]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:07, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====guitar "Space Gary" tosses====
It's the same guitar shown in [[Puppet Time]], <s>which Puppet Homestar "borrows" from Puppet Strong Bad.</s> [[User:Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] 22:14, 13 Mar 2005 (PST) [Edited as per suggestion below. [[User:Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] 19:14, 15 Mar 2005 (PST)]

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting (and debating), this item was narrowly Accepted. It appears in a slightly rewritten form on the [[best thing]] page. Discussion moved to [[talk:best thing]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:13, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)

==== A DV-what? ====
From the style of animation portrayed, the bizarre space setting, and the availability of VHS VCRs, the Limozeen cartoon pilot likely aired some time in the early-to-mid-1980's. However, Larry's mentioning of DVDs at the end of the episode suggests that it could not have aired before 1997, when DVDs first hit the American market, and likely aired even later when old television shows started being sold on DVD.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, the consensus was to Rewrite this item. It appears in its Accepted form on the [[best thing]] page. Discussion moved to [[talk:best thing]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:13, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)

==== Alternative vs. Hair Metal ====
The dialog at the end of the cartoon about Limozeen (who are parody of 80's Hair Metal Bands) being kicked off the charts by an Alternative band that has a girl as a bassist, etc. is most likely a reference to the fact that by the early 1990's people were tired of the excesses of Hair Metal bands and the popularity of that genre was already on the wane. Alternative Rock bands like Nirvana, Smashing Pumpkins and Weezer (SP had 2 female bassists, Weezer's lead singer wears glasses) which were generally considered by many music critics to be smarter, hipper and closer to the roots of what rock is all about, put the nail in the coffin of the L.A. Glam Metal scene.
*'''Revise.''' A little too much info, like previously STUFF'd fact. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 16:02, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise''' a bit too wordy... perhaps condense this info by taking out the social commentary (basically everything after 'by the early 1990's) and just stick to facts like 'Smashing Pumpkins had 2 female bassists' --[[User:211.252.38.203|211.252.38.203]] 18:30, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. [[User:mibluvr13|mibluvr13]] 08:55, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise!''' English, please? --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 08:24, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second (though leaning towards decline)''' [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Decline''' Anyone who understands the joke about Limozeen being a hair metal band probably is already aware of the Alternative takeover of the early 90s. This item is simply explaining the joke - which, IMO, was a weak one to begin with. Any of the above revisions make this item even more obvious. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 09:16, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)

Since no one can apparently agree to a consensus on this one, I'll try a revised version.

The mentioning of Limozeen being kicked off the charts by an alternative band with a girl bassist references the death of hair metal in the early '90s, when bands like Nirvana were able to have success.

With that, I say this needs to be mentioned, because not everyone knows about exactly what happened. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 15:52, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

*'''Accept New Vresion''' I gotta say that I'm liking this newer version by ISTK a lot more than the original one. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 16:03, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==== The Claw ====
One villain has a claw that is the same as the one from the ''Kick the Cheat Demo''.

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Accepted after several weeks of voting. It appears on the [[best thing]] page. Discussion moved to [[talk:best thing]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:13, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)

==== Background Goof ====
When the Limozeen spaceship is flying throughout space, the background obviously loops; however, it does not tile well at all, with noticeable seams flying by every second.

'''Vredict:''' This fact was voted to be '''Rewritten and Moved'''. The revised fact now appears on [[best thing]], while the discussion can be found at [[Talk:best thing]]. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 15:44, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==== Babylon 5 ====
"Encounter at Groupulon 5" is most likely a combined reference to [[Wikipedia:Encounter_at_Farpoint|Encounter at Farpoint]] (the first episode of [[Wikipedia:Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation|Star Trek: The Next Generation]]) '''and the popular science-fiction show [[Wikipedia:Babylon_5|Babylon 5]].''' (only the part in bold was in question)

'''Verdict:''' After about a month of voting, the fact in bold was narrowly '''declined''' by a score of 2-3. The Star Trek reference has been put back on [[best thing]], while the entire discussion can be found on [[Talk:best thing]]. -[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 14:43, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

=== [[colonization]] ===
==== Until next week... ====
This is the last email in which Strong Bad says "so until next week", a regular closing line for early emails.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact has been rejected. The discussion can be found at [[Talk:colonization]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 17:08, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

=== [[dragon]] ===
==== Trodgor was a Motorhead ====
The main riff to Trogdor's theme song appears to be very similar to the one from the Motorhead song "Shoot You In The Back".

'''VERDICT:''' This fact was rejected. The discussion can be found at [[Talk:dragon]]. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 17:18, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

-Edited by [[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]. (Link was to [[rock opera]], not dragon)

=== [[rock opera]] ===
==== Definitely Maybe? Yes? No! ====
"Definitely baby" (The line ended by Vector Strong Bad) is a reference to the album Definitely Maybe by Oasis

'''Verdict:''' After over a month of voting, this fact was unanimously '''Declined'''. Moved to [[Talk:rock opera]]. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 16:36, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==== Sender's parents ====
Second time Strong Bad talked about both the sender's parents. This was last done in [[animal]] about Spud Jr.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact was rejected. The discussion can be found at [[Talk:rock opera]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 17:11, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==== Rose-face/Rosebud ====
When Strong Bad yells "Rose face!" it could be a possible reference to ''[[IMDb:tt0033467|Citizen Kane]]'' and the famous "Rosebud."

'''VERDICT:''' This fact was rejected. The discussion can be found at [[Talk:rock opera]]. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 17:13, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==== Pizza Pizzazz ====
The appearance of a spinning pizza during the word "Pizzaz" may be a reference to the Pizzaz Pizza Oven, which rotates the pizza under a heating element to cook it.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact was rejected. The discussion can be found at [[Talk:rock opera]]. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 17:15, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==== Order? ====
Each quote is truly taken from each email, in order. The first word is from [[some kinda robot]], the second from [[homsar]], and so forth.

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Accepted after two weeks of voting. It was also agreed that this item was incorrectly and prematurely STUFF'd (the user who placed it here did not check all facts before putting it up for debate). The item has been added back to the [[rock opera]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:18, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Another brick in the wall ====
At the end of the opera, the cast is on a stage, where the bottom of the stage is a white bricked wall with blue brick outlines. This might be a refrence to the popular rock opera The Wall, by Pink Floyd, as the wall in the Floyd's opera is the same. [[User:MajorB|MajorB]] 17:07, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)

'''Verdict:''' After almost two months of voting, this fact recieved a single '''Decline''' vote. Discussion moved to [[Talk:rock opera]]. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 13:45, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

=== [[Where's The Cheat?]] ===
In the beginning of the toon when Homestar is spreading the marshmallow spread on the veggie burger, the spread changes everytime he spreads it. Thought it was an interesting detail.

'''Verdict:''' After almost two months of voting, this fact was overwhelmingly '''Declined'''. The discussion can be found at [[Talk:Where's The Cheat?]]. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 15:56, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==== You killed Pom-Pom! ====
When storng bad said he killed pom-pom it may be a reference to south park and them "killing Kenny"

*'''Decline''' Uh...no. "Storng" Bad was just trying to scare Marzipan with a crank call. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:36, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Unmatchable Decline''' Spell right, blast ye! -Walking Armless
*'''Delcine.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:10, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*You may be a reference to the superfluousness of the Shift Key... '''Decline''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 06:15, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Indelible Cline.''' --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 19:30, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' First thing, this was disqualified with the "may be." Second off, no flippin' way. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]]

===[[secret recipes]]===
====Pamcakes and Pimecones====
Homestar's use of the word "pimecone" instead of "pinecone" is reminiscent of his usage of the word "pamcakes" instead of "pancakes" in [[montage]].
*'''Neutral.''' I don't really know about this one. It... kinda has merit... hm... →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 19:55, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Reasonable, I guess... --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 20:41, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 10:53, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Homestar pronouces 'n's as 'm's; he's always done this and he probably always will. ;[[User:The Pardack|The Pardack]]
**'''Comment''' This is not ''always'' true. There are many cases where he pronounces 'n'. I think this fact is worth mentioning, albeit not incredibly interesting. --[[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]] 11:33, 3 Mar 2005 (CST)
**'''Comment''' If he always pronounced 'n's and 'm's, wouldn't he have said "pimecome"? Just saying... --[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 01:40, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Strong Decline''' Homestar has a speech impediment. He does pronounce 'n's as 'm's. This is amazingly obvious so it should not be a fun fact.
**He never pronounces "Marzipan" as "Marzipam". --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 18:41, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' And Homestar also pronounces R's as W's, but we're not putting that one in the funfacts either, are we? [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:10, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment''' Almost everyone is saying that this is common. But really - other than "pimecone" and "pamcake", when has Homestar EVER switched Ms and Ns? I can't think of even one other time. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline.''' Accurate, but not notable. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 09:38, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Move?''' Perhaps this would be worth noting in Homestar's character page?--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 17:56, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept''' What, nobody can answer my question? Then this fact is very likely TRUE! --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 19:31, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Move.''' Substituting 'm' for 'n' may be a running gag... Leomard Sportsinterviews, anyone? --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 19:28, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====Bumdumbourge and Totalslava====
Bumdumbourg and Totalslava are obviously loose references to the countries Luxembourg and Bratslava.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact was declined. The discussion can be found at [[Talk:secret recipes]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 14:20, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

===[[The Best Decemberween Ever]]===
==== The Brethren ====
This is the first cartoon when the brothers Chaps refer to themselves as "Brethren" Chaps.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact was rejected. The discussion can be found at [[Talk:The Best Decemberween Ever]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 17:21, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

=== [[Kick the Can]] ===
==== Coincedincem ====
According to Bubs' [[Yearbook Character Page]] picture, Bubs now owns the can in the cartoon... Or it's just a strange coincedincem.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact was rejected. The discussion can be found at [[Talk: Kick the Can]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 18:13, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

=== [[other days]] ===
==== Tappity Tappity ====
When Strong Bad dismisses the email's text to make room for his new text, as he does often, it makes the standard typing sound effects instead of the hard "enter" hitting sound.

'''Verdict:''' After over a month of voting, this fact was '''Declined''' by a score of 4-6. Discussion moved to [[Talk:other days]]. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 16:27, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==== Pizzle the Nizzle ====
The line "positate the negative" refers to the song Accentuate the Positive, by Johnny Mercer.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact was rejected. The discussion has been moved to [[Talk:other days]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 19:55, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

=== [[radio]] ===
====German Radio? ====
Old-timey Strong Bad's pronunciation of radio (rah-dio) is actually the German pronunciation of the word.

'''VERDICT:''' This fun fact was rejected. The discussion can be found at [[Talk:radio]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 17:24, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====The fish was delish and it made quite a dish (ACCEPTED)====
Strong Bad's test phrase is an old broadcasting cliché. The phrase has been used to test the levels of the '''F''' and '''SH''' sounds in audio signals for recording, public address and broadcast. When those sounds are too "hot", sounding like intense hisses, the mike can be moved or covered to reduce the "swishiness". --[[User:beanluc|beanluc]] 15:47, 16 Dec 2004 (MST)

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Accepted after several weeks of voting. It appears in this form on the page for [[radio]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:59, 21 Feb 2005 (MST)

====Location====
Jugding by the name of the colledge radio station ([[WSBD]]) Free Country USA must be East of the Mississippi River. All radio stations to the east of the Mississippi have a 'W' in front of their name all those to the west have a 'K'.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact was accepted. The discussion can be found at [[Talk:radio]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 18:17, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====WSBD in Ohio====
There is a real news radio station transmitting from Cleveland, OH with the call letters WSBD. The Brothers Chaps most likely did not know about this, as SBD can easily stand for Strong Bad.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact was rejected. The discussion can be found at [[Talk:radio]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 18:20, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

===[[origins]]===
====Beverly Sportsinterviews====
Beverly Sportsinterviews, likely related to Lem Sportsinterviews, is a reference to Beverly Cleary, an author for children and young adults.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, this item was Accepted. It appears in this form on the [[origins]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:00, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Cut the Crusts====
In the second bread sing-along song, Homestar sings, "I cut the crusts off in the morning light." This is a reference to the 80s metal band Dokken, whose song "Alone Again" had the same tune and opens with "I'd like to see you in the morning light."

*'''Decline.''' The tune is '''not''' the same as the Dokken song, and without the tune being the same this is too much of a stretch. -[[User:166.102.250.139|166.102.250.139]] 23:23, 20 Feb 2005 (EST)
*'''Accept, um, sorta''' In the Strong Bad Email [[Band Names]], Strong Bad suggests Dokken as a good band name, it's still kind of a stretch, but it's a possible reference.
*'''Accept''' Homestar very well may have been singing off-key.[[User:Fizz123|Fizz123]]
*'''Umm...''' Guys, this fact is still on the page...
**'''Comment.''' You ''can'' fix these things yourself, you know. Anyway, I took care of it. --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 19:56, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Accept.'''Looks like grade-a fun fact material to me. Nice one. Don't know why it was stuff'd or why so many people seem to be declining it.

====Señor & Mr.Bland====
Señor & Mr. Bland got crushed by Bubs' Concession Stand, though they appear in the audience of [[Marshmallow's Last Stand (toon)|Marshmallow's Last Stand]]. Bubs' Concession Stand appeared before this toon.

*'''Decline.''' You have to remember that ths is from [[Strong Bad|Strong Bad]]'s point of view, and he has been known to not tell the truth. [[User:Fizz123|Fizz123]]
*'''Comment''' Why isn't anyone voting on this? Is there some sort of rule that says no one will vote on a fun fact unless it's at the top? Sorry if I'm being rude, but this has been here a long time. [[User:Fizz123|Fizz123]]
*'''DECLINE'D!''' Um, cartoons do this all the time. The character runs around, the character dies in some clichéd way, said character comes back to life in little or no time at all. Are you, like, TV-deprived or something? You poor soul. [[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]]
*'''I decline thee! *smack*''' Homsar came back after being crushed by Heavy Lourde. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 16:08, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline.''' If you applied this to TGS, they wouldn't have lasted 8 issues! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 16:23, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

===[[funny]]===
====409====
409 is a reference to Formula 409, a cleaner/degreaser by Clorox.

'''VERDICT:''' After several weeks of voting, this item was narrowly Accepted. Added to [[funny]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:04, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[Strong Bad Is In Jail Cartoon]]===
====Poopsmith====
The Poopsmith never blinks.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact has been rejected. The discussion has been moved to [[Talk:Strong_Bad_is_in_Jail_Cartoon]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:02, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====Wall Markings====
According to the markings on the wall of the jail, the Cheat and Strong Bad have been in jail for about a week.

*'''Decline. ''' Fairly obvious to anyone watching the cartoon. Besides, the marks on the wall are common cliches in jail settings. Thats why they're there, to act as a visual gag NOT to tell us how long Strong Bad and a The Cheat have been there.[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstff|tomstiff]] 21:27, 11 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''accept.''' Good fact... →[[User:j to the sag|j to the sag]]
*'''Accept.''' I never noticed. Maybe a slight rephrase is in order, however. Something like "If the marks on the wall are accurate, then the Cheat and Strong Bad have been in jail for about a week." - [[User:Rebochan|Rebochan]] 10:07, 31 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' - [[User:Rainer|Rainer]]
**'''Third''' - [[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]]
**'''Second'''-some Guest
*'''Rewrite and move.''' Just stick in the transcript how many tick marks are on the wall. Besides, those marks may have been made by the last inmate in the cell. -- [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 13:19, 14 Feb 2005 (PST)
**"'Second!''' --[[User:Aussie Evil|Aussie Evil]] 15:33, 3 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' Makes sense to me. -Walking Armless

===[[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 11.2]]===
==== Fifty frickin' wings ====
The King's line "fifty frickin' wings" could be referring to Fricker's, a restaurant famous for their "frickin' chicken wings."
*'''Neutral''' I've never head of Fricker's. →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 14:50, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Could've sworn I've seen this one submitted before...if not, theres still not much to go on with this one proof wise.[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' It doesn't get any clearer than this.
*Is it in Georgia or thereabouts? If not it's probably not a reference. I'm not going to say accept or decline since I don't have an actual username. I used to but I forgot it.
*'''Accept''' I support this one because I do not think TBC would use the word "frickin'" to sound like a well known four-letter word in the english language. --[[User:BegyLips|BegyLips]]
**There's "THE FRIGGIN CHEAT" in [[local news]]. [[User:mathgrant|mathgrant]] 12:35, 27 Jan 2005 (MST)
***This is true...but from what I was taught, frickin' is stronger than just friggin --[[User:BegyLips|BegyLips]]
**There's also "guy's like a frickin' house" in [[A Decemberween Pageant]]. '''Decline.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Accept!''' However, i've only seen Frcikers in Ohio, but who knows...
*'''Revise''' A touch more information on Fricker's is needed, such as where the chain can be found. [[User:Eujensc|Eujensc]] 17:14, 20 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' because I doubt TBC has heard of Fricker's either. According to their website, they're only located in Ohio, save for two restaurants in Fort Wayne and Richmond (Indiana). [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 07:36, 2 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' They probably decided on "frickin'" for the same reason Fricker's did: it sounds like "chicken". --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 20:10, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:33, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Comment.''' Here's a [http://www.frickers.com/locations.asp Frickin'] link!
*'''Weak accept.''' It's still possible, as TBC may have visited Ohio and/or Indiana once or twice. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 20:12, 8 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' I live in ATL, and could swear that I've seen that placr a couple times. --[[clashman]] 18:55,9 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4]]===
==== Buck Privates ====
The part where they say the same thing and laugh is a reference to the Abbot and Costello film ''Buck Privates''.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact has been rejected. The discussion has been moved to [[Talk:Teen_Girl_Squad_Issue_4]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:04, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

===[[Decemberween Teen Girl Squad]]===
==== Starbucks ====
Double Double Whippless Mochaccino Half Caf is a Coffee drink from Starbucks. However, it is actually called a Venti Half-caf frapaccino w/o whipped cream (not all Starbucks serve this). Double Double refers to a coffee from Tim Hortons with two creams and two sugars.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact has been rejected. The discussion has been moved to [[Talk:Decemberween_Teen_Girl_Squad]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:06, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

===[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]]===
====Facty's Big Chance====
Fatty's Big Chance could be a reference to the [http://www.goonland.com Goonland] character "Fatty Big Eye" which looks similar to Fatty's Big Chance.
*'''Decline.''' The names look the same. The characters do not. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 18:55, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====The Intercom====
The Intercom, who introduces the battle of the bands, may be a reference to [[Wikipedia:Saved by the Bell|Saved by the Bell]], where the character Screech creates a similar-looking robot friend.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact has been rejected. The discussion has been moved to [[Talk:Teen_Girl_Squad_Issue_8]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:08, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====Soofa Group?====
The page title "soopa group" is a stretch, but could possibly be a reference to SoofaGroup (http://www.freewebs.com/soofagroup/index.htm). At least that's the only thing that makes any remote sense, and it's doubtful that Soof took their name from this toon.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact has been rejected. The discussion has been moved to [[Talk:Teen_Girl_Squad_Issue_8]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:10, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====Truk====
In the "Easter Egg" from the exclamation point at the end of episode 8, we see Tompkins wearing a shirt that says "Truk." Truk is the name of a Pacific atoll inhabited by Polynesian peoples. Truk was newsworthy in the 70's for the gang violence there.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact has been rejected. The discussion has been moved to [[Talk:Teen_Girl_Squad_Issue_8]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:15, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====Phantom Drummer? (ACCEPTED)====
At the actual Battle of the Bands concert, it's quite clear that the only instruments being played are Cheerleader's three-necked guitar and What's Her Face's Bass. However, you can easily distinguish the sound of a drumset being played in the background of the song.

'''VERDICT:''' This item is Accepted by a score of 8-1; it is added to the Glitch section of [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]] --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 10:18, 18 Feb 2005 (MST)

====Fender Guitars====
During Kissy Boots' first practice session, both What's Her Face and Cheerleader are playing basses, possibly Fender basses, judging from the arrangement of string keys.

*'''Rewrite.''' The [[Wikipedia:Machine_head|machine heads]] (tuning keys) on Cheerleader's guitar definitely suggest Fender, but Fender never made guitars with bodies in the Flying V shape -- that shape suggests Gibson (or possibly Epiphone, who make the first good knockoff). It does appear to be a four-string bass, since during the concert, Cheerleader plays (or pretends to play) a multinecked guitar with six machine heads per neck, so it's not just Strong Bad's artistic license. What's her face's guitar (which is, interestingly, left-handed) is much more likely to be a Fender. -- [[User:70.19.78.90|70.19.78.90]]
*Epiphone is owned by Gibson, numbnuts. Therefore, no knockoffs. It's the same guitar. - badamn_187
* badamn, sign your post correctly, or your vote doesn't count. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]]
** kerrek, vote in your post correctly, or your signature doesn't count.
*** anony, stfu with your sarcasm correctly, or your misplaced humor doesn't count. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 08:04, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====College Radio====
What's Her Face being labelled as "College Radio" is probably a reference to radio.

'''VERDICT:''' This item was Accepted. However, whatever user STUFF'd this item failed to remove it from the TGS8 page. It remains on the [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]] page in this form. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:00, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)

===[[The Reddest Radish]]===
==== Back Buttons ====
The reason that this toon does not have a "Back" button is most likely because this cartoon appeared on the [[Old Telebision Toons Menu|Telebision Toons Menu]], which integrated the cartoons into the menu itself.
*'''Decline''' ...unless you can find that this is the ONLY toon that does not have a "Back" button, or that this is the ONLY toon that doesn't have the "Back" button for this specific reason. Otherwise, this ought to go on the [[Old Telebision Toons Menu|Telebision Toons Menu]] page and not on the specific toon pages. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 11:51, 15 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' Dreamail doesn't have a back button either. -[[User:Miss Free Country USA|Miss Free Country USA]]
*'''Accept.''' Why not? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 10:15, 13 Apr 2005 (MDT)

=== [[island]] ===
==== Forward referencing # 1 ====

Homestar called Strong Bad [[Stinkoman]]. This is the name Strong Bad will use for his [[20X6]] counterpart in [[japanese cartoon]].

'''VERDICT''' This fact has been accepted. The discussion has been moved to [[Talk:island]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:47, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==== Forward Referencing #2 ====
The one thing Strong Bad described would happen on the island that was not illustrated was salting his foot.. which didn't take place until [[interview]].

'''VERDICT:''' This fact has been rejected. The discussion has been moved to [[Talk:island]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:48, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

=== [[2 years]] ===
==== Mormon Missionary ====
E. Fullmer's first initial could possibly really stand for "Elder" Fullmer, indicating that he is about to become a Mormon missionary. This could explain why he will be going on a two-year trip and will not be able to check the website for two years, as that is how long Mormon missionaries serve, and they are not allowed to use the Internet during that time.

'''VERDICT:''' After several months of voting, this item was Accepted. It has been added to the Trivia section of [[2 years]] and the discussion is archived on the [[talk:2 years]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:51, 8 Apr 2005 (MDT)

==== Strong Sad a Strongbadian ====
According to this email, Strong Sad is (or will be) a resident of [[Strongbadia]].

'''VERDICT:''' This fact has been rejected. The discussion can be found at [[Talk:2 years]]. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 14:16, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====A grill, a doghouse, a trash can, an igloo and the TARDIS====
The spacious interior of The Cheat's house may be a reference to Snoopy's house from the Peanuts comics. It also looked small and ordinary on the outside, but was very large and luxurious on the inside, housing, among other things, his prized Van Gogh. It might also be a reference to Oscar the Grouch's trash can (from Sesame Street), which is also small on the outside, but contains a swimming pool and a number of other facilities within. It could also be a reference to the Nickelodeon show Doug, where his smart dog's (Porkchop) igloo is WAY roomier than it looked. Or even the TARDIS from Dr Who...

'''VERDICT:''' This fact was declined. The discussion has been moved to [[Talk:2 years]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:44, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

=== [[Homestar Presents: Presents]] ===
==== Length Of Grabbo Arm ====
The grabbo arm is about 3/4ths of the length of the screen, and judging by Strong Bad's height, and the chart on Strong Bad Is In Jail Cartoon, the grabbo arm is about 6 feet long. Since Strong Bad is about 4 feet long and the grabbo arm is a little higher than him, therefore the measurement.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact was rejected. The discussion can be found at [[Talk:Homestar Presents: Presents]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 17:55, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==== Homestar's Clock ====
It is unclear how Homestar's clock could even differentiate between 10:00 am and 10:00 pm -- usually analog clocks have a light or indicator when it is night time, but Homestar's clock has none.

*First of all, ''analog'' clocks usually don't have an indicator, and Homestar's clock is called a ''digital'' clock. Second of all, most people can tell whether it is AM or PM by looking outside. --24.21.86.243 10:00, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise and accept''' Not in Alaska.
*'''Revise and accept''' first of all, this IS a electric analog clock, uses small wheels inside with the numbers, i've seen this style before, also there is no indicator on this model but not all of them have it, normally they use a ssmall ne-2 indicator lamp with a 56k series resistor, he can tell am/pm by looking outside the window behind the clock but where are the buttons to set the alarm if any and when did you hear any alarm or see him shut it off? <nowiki>~~Frogz~~</nowiki>
**You know alot about clocks.
*'''Revise and accept''' What matters isn't whether Homestar can tell if it's AM or PM. He claims that he accidentally set the alarm for PM instead of AM, but how could he do that if the clock can't tell the difference between AM and PM? That's what's weird. (Frogz: Alarm buttons might be on back, and the music could be a short alarm.)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 20:39, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite''' To something like:
*Homestar says that he accidentally set his alarm for 10 PM instead of AM, but it is unclear how his clock can show the difference between AM and PM in the first place. There is no indicator!
**Maybe this is the cause of the confusion. -- all by [[User:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
**'''Third.'''..I mean.. '''Second.''' --[[User:RPharazon|RPharazon]]
**'''Second''' [[User:Kilroy|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]/[[User talk:Kilroy|talk]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:14, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' But get rid of the "Homestar says" part. Thats already noted in the transcript and adds un-needed weight to the fact. Just say "Its unclear how Homestar's clock can...and the rest"..[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]
*'''Accept''' However, I think another important thing is the fact that if the clock does not have an AM/PM indicator, then Homestar would have had to set him clock after 10 AM (because, obviously, you can't set a clock like that any more than 12 hours in advance), further proving how...ahem... absent-minded he is.
*'''Decline''' I think we're trying to make a very complicated issue out of a very subtle joke - with no indicator, he COULDN'T have set it for AM or PM, in which case, his statement isn't false, it's just stupid... which isn't surprising coming from Homestar. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 20:43, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
*<Strike>'''Decline''' because his clock might have an indicator light that is on when it is AM and off when it is PM. I mean, my clock does.</Strike> Oops. Just watched the 'toon again and realized that his clock is NOT the same as mine. I'll be more careful next time. [[User:Fizz123|Fizz123]](I'm not logged in.)

==== Grabbo Arm Sound ====
Strong Bad's Grabbo Arm makes the same noises as Homestar's tricked-out propeller cap in [[car]].

'''Verdict:''' After several months of voting, this fact was narrowly '''Accepted''' by a score of 3-2. The fact is now on [[Homestar Presents: Presents]], while the discussion can be found at [[Talk:Homestar Presents: Presents]]. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 16:00, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==== Slippers ====
Homestar's bunny slippers have the eyes and ears upside down relative to one another. This is also true in [[caper]].

*'''Decline.''' It is not interesting when it is easily observed while watching the cartoon. For example, "Homestar wears a propeller cap" would not make a good fun fact. --24.21.86.243 00:02, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite''' it and put up a page for [[Items:Homestar's Slippers|Homestar's Bunny Slippers]] in the clothing category of the Items page. --[[user:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
**Done. --[[user:pianoplayerontheroof|Pianoplayerontheroof]]
*'''Accept''' Pointing out that their upsidedown is perfectly reasonable. And for lords sake, not every other fun fact HAS to be STUFF'd--[[User:68.4.92.98|68.4.92.98]] 22:22, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second''' I agree on the STUFFing - the issue about 'Order?' on [[rock opera]] should not have been STUFF'd in the first place. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:48, 25 Feb 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 18:48, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==== Blade man ====
The rusty steak knife being perfect for Coach Z may reference the fact that he's a "blade man, man" from [[personal favorites]].

*'''Decline.''' This, and the phone without the wire, is a reference to a disturbingly dark cartoon "Salad Fingers" whose title character enjoys touching rusty objects and once used a similar phone.
**You need to sign your decline, please. Otherwise, it doesn't count. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 09:34, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
**Ew, I didn't pick up the Salad Fingers reference. That is a fun fact. (Please don't comment on my stupidity if it's already in the fun facts; I haven't been to that page in a bit) - [[User:Gydea|Gydea]]
*'''Neutral.''' It's possible, but it's more likely that the rusty steak knife was more of a prelude to Coach Z's Decemberween TV dinner. He didn't seem to have any utensils to eat the salisbury steak with. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 09:34, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' The original dialogue was "I'm a white guy with a knife!".It was edited out. So Coach Z had to say something different.

==== Charlie Brown ====
The view of the outside of the house (panelling and steps) is very similar to Charlie Brown's house, which may explain the departure from previous toons.

*'''Decline.''' Complete speculation. Some people don't seem to understand that H*R is a silly cartoon, not a carefully thought out parody. --24.21.86.243 23:56, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Some people don't seem to understand that H*R has elements of a carefully thought-out parody, and is not just a silly cartoon. [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:22, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]
*'''Accept.''' --[[User:racerx is alive|racerx_is_alive]] 13:21, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Neutral''' The fact is correct, but it's less likely a parody of Charlie Brown THIS time. See, it's EXACTLY the same as in [[The Best Decemberween Ever]], which has MUCH stronger Charlie Brown overtones. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 14:00, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Weak Decline.''' ...for the reasons stated above. Since the previous year's Decemberween toon had a very strong Charlie Brown reference, the repeated instance in this year's toon is less significant. However, if you include this item, you have to include a similar item in [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]], as the POV where Homestar is knocking on Marzipan's door is the same kind of setup as stated here. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:43, 8 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Move''' to [[Homestar's House]]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 19:54, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Anyone who declines this must not think straight, I mean come on, Homestar walks right out of his house and to the brick wall just like in "peanuts" cartoons what i'm really tring to say is this is most definatley a parody of charlie brown and whoever doesn't think so is obviously just trying too annoy people -Smoth Criminal
**'''Comment.''' You're thinking of Best Decemberween Ever - Homestar Presents: Presents doesn't have the brick wall. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]

==== Wizard of Oz ====
Homsar "ringing" the paintbrush may be a reference to the Dark Side of the Moon/Wizard of Oz sync. One of the syncs is a paintbrush being moved up and down, and a bell ringing.

*'''Decline.''' Complete speculation. Some people don't seem to understand that H*R is a silly cartoon, not a carefully thought out parody. --24.21.86.243 23:56, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
**'''Accept.''' And in what other context do paintbrushes ring? This kind of pointless and obscure reference is right up the Chaps' alley. It's not like it's the first obscure reference to be found in the toons; heck, just look at the costumes in every Halloween toon.--[[User:HeartBurn Kid|HeartBurn Kid]] 11:15, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)
***'''Accept Second'd''' I myself have not seen the DSotM/WoO sync, but if the original sync is there, I believe this should be a legitimate reference. And that 'Complete speculation' vote (and every other on this page) should be discounted as a joke vote as it is obvious trolling. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:51, 25 Feb 2005 (MST)
***'''Second''' --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 10:19, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)
****Actually, there's a reason why it appears more than once. See, 24.21.86.243 put a WHOLE LOT of facts under one heading and voted for all of them with a single "Decline, Complete speculation, carefully thought out parody, etc." Then someone split the facts and duplicated the (at the time) two votes that were given, for each one. (I think racerx was the other duplicated vote.) So it wasn't REALLY trolling, just one person with a bad voting scheme and someone who split them like this. See my comment on the next fact! --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 00:41, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' --[[User:racerx is alive|racerx_is_alive]] 13:21, 12 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' This is merely adding to the fact that Homsar is excempt from reality's physics. -Walikng Armless
**'''Decline for the pudgy.''' What the armless guy said. --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 02:04, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==== Beat It ====
Homestar's pajamas are exactly like the ones Michael Jackson wore in the "Beat It" music video.

'''VERDICT:''' By a vote of 2-1 after several weeks of voting, this item is accepted. -- [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 19:45, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==== If you go up stairs you are on the second floor ====
[[Homestar's House | Homestar's room]] is up a flight of stairs, so it's probably on the second floor.

* True but uninteresting fact 24.21.86.243 23:42, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
* '''decline''' A tad too obvious. --[[User:super orange!|super orange!]] 22:24, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)
** '''Second''' [[User:Kilroy|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]/[[User talk:Kilroy|talk]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:25, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)
* '''Rewrite''' Maybe you could add something about the fact that Homestar's house looks like a one story from the out-side. [[Xycho]]
**No, it doesn't 24.21.86.243 12:56, 6 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline''' That's like saying: "Homestar uses a ladder to get on the roof of his house, so his roof must be really high up". [[User:Rainer|Rainer]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Decline.''' Like the title says, "If you go up stairs you are on the second floor!" Nobody cares that his room is on the second floor. Most rooms are.
**'''Comment''' - Most houses are one-storey. ''"Most rooms are"''' I wouldn't say that most bedrooms are on a second level. Most bedrooms are on the first level because most houses are one-storey. - [[User:Rainer|Rainer]]
*'''Decline''' Well EXCUSE ME. [[user:Xycho|Xycho]]
*'''Accept''' This is interesting because it is here that it's ''revealed'' that Homestar's room is near a flight of stairs. Also, it's not as obvious as you might think. For one, his falling down the stairs happens quickly and off camera, so you might miss it or think that he's fallen down his front steps. Then there's the fact that we've never seen an exterior shot of this version of Homestar's house, so it's mere speculation that there even ''is'' a second story. He could have fallen into the basement for all we know. [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:15, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Declinio''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:58, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite''' "Since there is a staircase next to Homestr's room, either his room is on the second floor or he has a basement." That should take care of any confusion.--[[User:homestar3.14|homestar3.14]] 17:31, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==== Coach Z's Phone ====
Coach Z's phone is the same one from [[replacement]].

*'''Revise.''' Say that it's similar to the one from [[replacement]]. [[User:Upsilon|--[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]]]
*'''Revise.''' It's not the same phone, but the phone cord being broken might be a reference to [[replacement|replacement's]] red phone [[Strong Bad]] used. [[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam votes on a STUFF'd fun fact again!]]
*Inconclusive. It's not clear whether both of these revisions are the same one. --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 15:17, 5 Jan 2005 (MST)
**Well, they're not really the same. Mine says "similar", his says "reference". --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Revise.''' Say that it 'resembles' the phone from replacement. Do not say "similar" or "reference"!

==== It's odd considering... ====
It's odd considering Homestar went to bed on the 23rd and didn't wake up till decemberween that his tear-away calender was on the 25th. He obviosly didn't change it because he was sleeping.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact has been rejected. The discussion can be found at [[Talk:Homestar Presents: Presents]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 14:13, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==== Coach Z's disconnected reciever ====
Coach Z talking on an unplugged phone may be a reference to the film The Waterboy. There's a scene in which Coach Klein (Henry Winkler) talks to "grandma" on a phone and as the camera pans down, it is revealed that the phone reciever is unplugged. --[[User:TDK|TDK]]

*'''Revise, accept.''' It's plausible, but I'm not sure the high heels part is necessary. --[[User:Lyzz|Lyzz]]
**Rephrased so it isn't a question, removed the bit about high heels. --[[User:TDK|TDK]]
*'''Accept.''' This sounds more likely to me than the Salad Fingers thing. --[[User:Chrysaor|Chrysaor]]
*'''Revise, accept.''' I think that a fun fact should be listed that explains both speculations, for example: "There has been quite some speculation about Coach Z talking on his unplugged phone. Some say it is a reference to the Salad Fingers series, in which Salad Fingers uses a similar phone, and also due to the rusty steak knife, as Salad Fingers likes to touch rusty objects. Others say it is a reference to the film The Waterboy, as in one scene, Coach Klein(Henry Winkler) talks to "grandma" on a phone and as the camera pans down, it is revealed that the phone reciever is unplugged. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
**'''Comment''' Talk about bloated - that revision is a STUFF item just waiting to happen. We're working with Fun '''Facts''' here, not semi-random speculations. In any case, this is an awful lot to be posting about something as silly (pathetic?) as Coach Z talking on a disconnected phone. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]

==== "state trooper" ====
Homsar's line "You're a real state trooper" is a commonly mistaken lyric from the song '''Straight Shooter''' by The Mamas and the Papas. The real lyric is "You're a real straight shooter." [[User: Terra Rising|Terra Rising]] Dec 27, 2004 1:40 AM (PST)

'''VERDICT:''' This fact has been rejected. The discussion can be found at [[Talk:Homestar Presents: Presents]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 14:10, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==== A running gag? ====
The Ah-tpoo! noise Homestar makes when spitting into the bucket has become a bit of a running gag. It starts in Halloween Fairstival with the noise he makes when he tries to hold his breath. It resurfaces again in "Montage" with his "Hi-Ya!" during the Champeenship scene. He performs another variation in "Radio" when he throws his highball glass at the radio. He exclaims "High-Ball!". (unsigned)

* '''Decline''' I'm the one who moved it here. I hear a connection, but not enough to think that it was intended as a running gag by the Brothers Chaps. --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 08:09, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)
** '''Second.''' --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 15:28, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)
* '''Agree''' I am not a user here, but I agree with you. It really should be a running gag. You're welcome, Nate(Big fan of H*RWiki)
* '''Agree''' I agree with this. I've never noticed this before, and it is indeed pretty fun to learn. -[[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]]
* '''Accept''' I noticed it to. --[[user:super orange!|super oraaaange!]]
**'''Second''' --[[homestarkid09|homestarkid09]]
* '''Revise and Accept''' I believe what the fact is TRYING to say is that Homestar uses the reverse emphasis on his action speech. For example, with "High-Ball!" from Radio, if one were winding up to throw a glass, one would exclaim, "High, BALL!" Instead, Homestar reverses it: "HIGH Ball.". He does the same in many of these two syllable action phrases. It's a character quirk that I think is straddling the line between obscurity and popularity, it's most definitely intentional, and it'll probably be back. --[[User:Noshtzy|Noshtzy]]
* '''Accept'''. Homestar likes using two-syllable exclamations. A perfectly okay fun fact. Who STUFFed this anyways??!? --[[User:kerrek_slaya|Kerrek Slaya!]]
**'''Second.''' --[[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] 14:43, 9 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept, but move.''' If this is a character trait (and I think the consensus is that it is), it belongs either on Homestar's page or as part of the running gags, NOT on the Homestar Presents: Presents page - especially given the three previous references. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:30, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
** '''Second''' --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 08:39, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[animal]] ===
==== Just me being picky ====
The keyboard on the lappy is placed so high on the (toon)screen, that there is no way Strong Bad could have typed on it without it showing in the toon. (Needs rewording. Badly.)

*'''Accept.''' --[[User:J to the sag|J to the sag]]
*'''Neutral''' Shouldn't this be on the Lappy 486 page? It seems unlikely that this will be confined to just "animal". --[[User:Tim333|Tim333]]
*'''Accept.''' There's something wrong with this. --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 23:30, 4 Dec 2004 (PST)
*'''Accept but Move.''' It's definitely odd, but put this on [[Lappy 486]] unless things change next email. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 16:45, 9 Dec 2004 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Ninjin Ninja|Ninjin Ninja]]
**Even more '''Second!''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:04, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment.''' The possibilities for ambiguity with this voting system are just endless, aren't they? Since it wouldn't seem fair for me to cast the deciding vote and then immediately end this, I'm going to wait for someone else to do that (if I were voting, I'd just make it more confusing and say decline; I don't understand what this guy is saying at all). --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 11:21, 1 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' I'll make it difficult... The thing is, the whole issue is quite ambiguous, since the way the perspective works, we never see the keyboard and it's possible that Strong Bad IS able to type without us seeing. See [[rock opera]] - it could be something as simple as TBC not wanting to take the time to really work out the logistics of getting SB's hands where the viewers can see them. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 01:31, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Off-screen typing ====
Normally, Strong Bad doesn't type anything into the computer unless the toon is focused on him, and in the cases he does you can hear him typing. In this cartoon, you can see at the end that Strong Bad typed in all his Sterrence comments, but the toon was focused on Sterrence and no typing sounds were heard.

*'''Neutral''' Figured I'd add it here first for approval, because I could be wrong, but I believe this is the first time it's happened. Might need a rewrite too. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 05:50, 15 Dec 2004 (MST)
**'''Accept''' ...Though it's not the first time. I can't remember where I first remembered seeing this, but it was some time ago. I'm not totally inclined to go through each and every one to find out, but I do remember instances where cutting back to Strong Bad revealed that he had typed what he was doing as a voice-over. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 11:20, 17 Feb 2005 (MST)
***'''Comment.''' This happens again in [[best thing]], when it cuts away to show the videotape that the Limozeen cartoon is on - when it cuts back, it shows that SB typed what he said during the cut-away, but no typing was heard. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
*'''Accept''' Hey, I didn't catch this! Pretty interesting. [[User:Tim333|Tim333]]
*'''Rewrite.''' How's-about...
<pre>Although Strong Bad usually only types what he's saying when the
Compy is visible, his voiceover for Sterrance's appearance is visible
on the Lappy at the end of the email.</pre>
:--[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Decline''' I don't even know what they're talking about. --[[User:Clever Ben|Clever Ben]]
**That's why I suggested the rewrite. ;) --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Comment.''' More ambiguity. The system I like would result in adding the rewrite. --[[User:MadEwokHerd|MadEwokHerd]] 14:34, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline.''' This should actually be let slide, seeing as how TBC are working with a new format for emails in this one and can be forgiven for some slipups.
*'''Accepterific''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:07, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''ACCEPT'D!''' [[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 10:49, 16 Apr 2005 (EST)

==== Baby Doll Crazy Dance ====
When Strong bad realizes that he can't be a fangley fish and dance on top of the fangley fish at the same time, you hear an Atari sounding noise, and the "Baby Doll" dancer starts going back and forth really quickly. I think this is a reference from an old Atari 2600 game, but for the life of me, I can't remember which one.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact was declined. The discussion can be found at [[Talk:animal]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 14:27, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==== Fanglyfish ====
The Fanglyfish is Strongbad's interpertation of a real-world animal called the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglerfish anglerfish]. Apparently he's unaware that only lady anglerfish get to have the Christmas lights and lures.
*'''STRONGLY rewrite, if not decline''' The Anglerfish part is obvious. The other part might be significant, but it doesn't feel like NPOV as written. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 20:30, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)
*'''Rewrite.''' "Though [[Strong Bad]] wants to be a deep sea fanglyfish, like an [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglerfish angelerfish], he doesn't know that only the females of this species get to sport the Christmas lights and lures. [[User:Fizz123|Fizz to the 123]]

=== [[virus]] ===
====Real virus?====
Since the curret Frequently Asked Questions page says every email but 'mile' is real, it's safe to assume someone actually tried to crash Compy 386 by sending a virus to Strong Bad.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact has been rejected. The discussion can be found at [[Talk:virus]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 13:58, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==== The Number 423,827 ====
I'm just wondering what significance, if any, the number 423,827 has to HomeStarRunner.com. I personally think it could be the total number of Strong Bad e-mails recieved to date <s>by the site</s> since SB got his Compy, however I do not know how to confirm that.

'''VERDICT:''' This fact has been rejected. The discussion can be found at [[Talk:virus]] -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 14:03, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==== Drive letter ====
After Strong Bad types "deleted!" for the first time, and the blue screen appears, the drive letter disappears. This is possible, but I doubt Strong Bad knows the right command
*'''Accept''' Good catch, I didn't even catch it. --[[User:flashstorm|flashstorm]] 14:15, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Revise''' This is a valid goof (it COULD just be part of the viruses beginning to act), but the second line about Strong Bad knowing the right command is unnecessary. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:33, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)

==== Quote of the Day (or so) ====
Shortly after the release of this e-mail the format of the Quote of the Week box was changed to include the character's image and transcription of the quote. However, this change was not copied for the fake box in this e-mail.
*'''Decline''' There, you just said it yourself. Shortly ''>>'''AFTER'''<<'' the release of this e-mail. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 15:22, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)

====The Compy's Reign====
This email marks the end of the Compy's 78-email reign. What's interesting about this is that the Tandy was used by Strong Bad for only 40, and the Compy outlived it by almost twice that.
*'''Decline.''' This is a comment, not a fact. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 10:23, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Comment.''' Actually, leave out "What's interesting about this is that" and it's all fact. --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 07 Apr 2005
*'''Revise.''' Strike the second sentence and add a link to [[Compy 386]]. --[[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 07 Apr 2005
*'''Rewrite.''' "This e-mail marks the end of the Compy's 78-email reign, outliving the Tandy by almost twice as long." --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:18, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Declination''' Isnt this already noted in the page somewhere? And if not, it is a little obvious.--[[User:-erson|Posted by -erson ]] 22:52, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

=== [[Shopping for Danger]] ===

====Blue Laser Babies====
The Blue Laser Babies and their striking resemblence to the Blue Laser Commander can be an off-shoot reference to "Austin Powers", where Dr. Evil creates a miniature, almost baby-ish clone of himself known as Mini-me.
*'''Decline.''' It's just a joke! People take their kids with them when they go shopping. It's just plain funny to think that BLC has twins and maybe even a Mrs. BLC back home! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 09:54, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline.''' Mini-me isn't even a baby, regardless of what Fat Bastard says. And even so, the smaller version of the evil villain bit didn't even originate in Austin Powers. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 12:16, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''No no no.''' [[User:Rudeboy87|Rudeboy87]] 14:18, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Blue Laser Commander Eyepatch====
The eyepatch that the Blue Laser Commander wears could also be a reference to "Austin Powers", where the evil sidekick of Dr. Evil, Number Two, wears an eyepatch in the same fashion.
*'''Decline.''' Except that BLC is not the evil sidekick, but the evil commander. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 09:56, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Dr. Decline.''' An eyepatch is a common accessory for villains. --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 00:35, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====Disney "Mickey" Logo====
All of the Cheat Commandos have a marking in the shape of the Disney "Mickey" logo on their lower leg.

*'''Weak Accept.''' I noticed this recently. Hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere. I put it here directly just to save valuable mission time. I thought it was interesting, but let's let The Collective decide. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 12:39, 17 Mar 2005 (CST)
*'''Very Weak Decline''' Dunno what to make of this one, really... It certainly does seem to be true, but whether or not it constitutes a fun fact is kinda up in the air. Personally, I think coincidences like this (since it probably wasn't intentional) don't really make for good fun facts. Still, I'm pretty close to neutral on this. It might be more notable that all the cheat commandos have the same pattern of spots. --[[User:Zonath|Zonath]] 21:41, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Weak Accept, Second''' I can agree with Zonath, but the fact is a mite weird. It should sound more like in the shape of Mickey Mouse's head, or something. --[[User:the spludge|the spludge]] 15:57, 9 Apr 2005 (CST)
*<strike>'''Actual Decline.'''</strike> All of this neutral, weak decline, weak accept business... somebody take a stand! <strike>I say decline it: we're just seeing shapes in the clouds.</strike> — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:36, 9 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Comment.''' I'd agree if just ''one'' CC had the marking. But as far I as I tell they ''all'' have it and it's pretty well-formed, too. Still, I won't cry if the Weak Declines outnumber the Weak Accepts. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 10:03, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''<nowiki>*</nowiki>sigh*''' Oh, great. Now ''I'm'' undecided, too. What's the real issue here? Is the shape there? Yes. Is it pretty well-formed? Yes. Did TBC put it there intentionally? I say no, but admittedly that's just a gut feeling. And you never know with those guys. So, as a straight "didja' notice?" fact, I'm persuaded to change my vote to '''Accept.''' — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 12:06, 13 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Definite Accept''' Also, the reason they All have the spot is that the Cheat Commandos are carbon copies of one image(with accessories, facial hair, etc.). Plus, Mickey's head would be in color; The Mickey logo, however, is the solid black tri-circle seen on the CC's. --[[User:homestar3.14|homestar3.14]] 12:44, 12 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Accept.''' I mean, ''I'' think it's interesting... --[[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 18:41, 13 Apr 2005
*'''<strike>Kevin 'Cline''' It's just a dot. It may be in that shape, but it's definitely unintentional. I mean, do you ever intentionally draw your dots in the shape of Mickey Mouse heads?</strike> Eh. I'm neutralizing. And gasp at the below comment. (EDIT) Ouch. Just struck out everything. Damn slash. [[User:SP'd|SP'd]]
*'''Weak Decline.''' Google search for Hidden Mickeys if you're interested in the time-honored tradition for Disney artists to hide Mickey heads in everything they can get their hands on. That being said, he Mickey head I see on the Commandos is fairly deformed. The ears are too small and too close together, for instance. Since this probably wouldn't pass muster for a Hidden Mickey, I'm giving a pass on this fact. (and for SP, yes I do draw my dots in the shape of Mickey heads!) <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 00:42, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)

*'''Revise Slightly.''' "All of the Cheat Commandos have a marking that looks like the Disney "Mickey" logo on their lower leg." Fun, kind of interesting, and true, even if it wasn't on purpose!--[[User:rsl12|rsl12]] 22:10, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

=== [[Cheat Commandos Commercial]] ===

==== For the little 'uns ====
All of the Cheat Commandos action figures are designed for ages "3 to 5".

*'''Accept.''' It says "ages 3-5" quite clearly at the bottom right of each action figure package. Why was this STUFF-ed? -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 02:43, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 03:30, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

=== [[lackey]]===
==== Unemployed? ====

In [[montage]], The Cheat is said to be unemployed. However, he has been a paid lackey since he'd known Strong Bad. (might fall under montage fun fact too).

*'''Decline''' Yeah, and "lackey" looks real good on a resume - Current Salary: pencil shavings... Seriously though, as it is with just about any kind of gag, it involves something being exaggerated. Strong Bad was asked to create a montage - so he made some up... emphasis on "made up". --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 21:39, 12 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Ian|Ian]] 18:52, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept''' Just because it's a bad job with very poor pay doesn't mean its not a job. And, technicly, the entire catoon series is an exagerated gag. <tt>Posted by: [[User:-erson|-erson]] [[User talk:-erson|Talk]]</tt> 14:16, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Comment.''' I disagree - even if the series is loaded with exaggerated gags, there are still accepted premises. Also, don't forget that the end credits photo montages usually give narration from some point after what takes place in the montage - The Cheat could become unemployed in some toon in the future, which would make this item moot. In any case, as I said above, SB was asked to "creat" a montage, so the result was something he completely made up - in that respect, whatever comes of it doesn't necessarily HAVE to be canon. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 08:43, 17 Mar 2005 (MST)
* I know the current is going towards a lot of declines, but this is one I have to '''ACCEPT.''' I actually think this fact is a decent one. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 10:37, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Comment.''' I just realized the problem with this item: there isn't really a discrepancy here. Lackey is #96 while Montage is #117, so it's possible that The Cheat could have become unemployed (as a lackey) between then and...then. We're not told about anything regarding The Cheat's job status in the meantime, so this isn't really that notable. (And my comments above about the montage not being canon still stand.) --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]]
**Not necessarily. I am sure that if Strong Bad did lose his The Cheat, we would have heard about it. I'm sure The Cheat is more valueable to him than his Compy, but look at how much he freaked out when it was shotgun'd, If he lost The Cheat he would probably be depressed for a few weeks. Also, in extra plug, The Cheat still stands by, wating for his orders (to plug in the shoes) which would indicate he is still a valueable lackey to SB. And I realise that he "created a montage", and the results dont have to be completely true. However, there is nothing indicating that it is UNtrue either. <tt>Posted by: [[User:-erson|-erson]] [[User talk:-erson|Talk]]</tt> 12:36, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)

=== [[Parsnips-A-Plenty]] ===
==== Relation to The Biggest Raddish ====

The 1936 Strong Bad hauling the Parsnips in the wheel barrow with Strong Man and The Sneak is reminiscent of Strong Bad, The Cheat and Strong Mad hauling the Biggest Raddish in [[The Reddest Radish]]. In fact, it has been speculated that this is the 1936 predecessor to The Reddest Raddish.

'''VERDICT''' - A revised version of this item was Accepted and appears on the [[Parsnips-A-Plenty]] page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:19, 8 Apr 2005 (MDT)

=== [[Strong Sad's Lament]] ===
====Strong Bad's Lament?====
History Lesson Part II is written in the exact style of Strong Bad, as in that the entry says Johnny Appleseed was a hippie, and calls Strong Sad "dumpus". This may be becasue Strong Sad gave out his password earlier, so Strong Bad may have hacked Strong Sad's account and written his own entry.

'''Verdict:''' After over two weeks of voting, this fact was '''Accepted''' by a score of 4-2. The fact has been re-posted on [[Strong Sad's Lament]], and the discussion can be found on [[Talk:Strong Sad's Lament]]. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 16:00, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)

=== [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 5]] ===
====Most Legible?====
Homsar's message is the most(?) legible thing he has ever said.
--[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 17:58, 8 Apr 2005 (MDT)

*Not the first. I know, [[homsar]], [[homsar]]. But his message is longer than "Yeah, what is it Strong Bad?". Maybe with some rewording? --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 17:58, 8 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline, or severe rewrite.''' Given the fact that this could become false in the future, as well as the item's subjective opinion, this one shouldn't be included. And what about "Hey Reggie, is that rhinocerous around?" That's a legible sentence - in fact, everything he says is legible. It just doesn't make any sense. Possibly the word you're looking for is "intelligible" or something along the lines of "Homsar's message makes the most sense out of anything he has ever said." But again, you're dealing with the "could be become false later" issue. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:15, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**'''Second.''' <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 23:26, 11 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Accept'''. Very noteworthy. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 02:00, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Decline'''. Opinion ("the most...ever") I don't think a rewrite would solve much. --[[User:The Paper|THE PAPER]] 16:42, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Severe Decline with a Complete Rewrite''' Is it noteworthy? Yes ... yes it is. Is it the most legible thing he's ever said? Dunno, I've never seen the Haddi-man's handwriting. It may be the most intelligible thing he's ever said ... to date. That's what makes this a bad fact: Homsar could become the most erudite cast member tomorrow. To quote from [http://www.ibras.dk/montypython/episode23.htm#3 Scott of the Sahara]...Rewrite! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 16:59, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' I'm assuming this message was made in response to [[homsar]] to bring Homsar back since he was supposedly "killed". Also, since he was relatively new as a character, he wasn't as of yet uniquely nonsensical, as he is now. I'm believin' that's the reason this is the most legible thing he has ever written...I mean, said. [[User:GillanTheVillain|GillanTheVillain]] 02:02, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*Yes, I meant intelligable, not legible. I forgot the word. I meant it makes sense the most. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 8:55, 16 April 2005 (MDT)
**Not to super nitpick, but the best word to use would probably be "sensible", since intelligible is just the ability to say words and sentences. He says stuff just fine, it just never makes any sense. [[User:GillanTheVillain|GillanTheVillain]] 03:07, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''"That's a real popular song! Who want's to hear that it's ACCEPTED!"''' Yep, I think this is a good point! Great job! *claps*--[[User:MrsCommanderson|MrsCommanderson]] 23:50, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

===[[A Jorb Well Done]]===
====Strong Sad's Tape====

When Strong Sad first walks into the locker room, the label on his "job" tape is written backwards. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 8:57, 16 April 2005 (MDT)

==Games==
===[[Peasant's_Quest]]===
====Two names?====
When you type in "talk kerrek", part of the message that comes up is "'Me llamo Julio'", which means "My name is Julio" in Spanish. As this is said by Rather Dashing, his real name is Julio.
*'''Fhqwdlcinds''' So??? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 01:24, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**So, rather dashing's real name name is Julio. Good catch! Just '''revise''' it so that its a little more obvious. Try:
When you type in "talk kerrek", part of the message that comes up is "'Me llamo Julio'", which means "My name is Julio" in
Spanish. As this is said by Rather Dashing, his real name is Julio.
--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 18:46, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Me Declino Infinito.''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 17:09, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''REWRITE'D!''' I was the one who wrote the thing anyway, so I rewrote it with -erson-san's suggestion. --[[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 19:09, 14 Apr 2005 (EST)
*'''Decline the new one too''' It's still useless, and perhaps now moreso - are we next going to say that his name is Misspeller Jones? (Type "get plague" near the lantern.) It's a joke. Just go with it. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 01:10, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**'''Comment.''' But, it might NOT be. Geez, why does everyone always decline everything around here? --[[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 10:45, 16 Apr 2005
*** Oh, wait, what was that word? "Might"? As in, you're not certain? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 18:08, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
****But the fact that Rather Dashing is saying "Me llamo Julio" as a conversation starter to the Kerrek would be a different case. Do you ever say "Hello my name is..." and mention an incorrect name? And about the "Misspeller Jones", is it not common for people to make up nicknames for people about their different characteristics? Like you call a clumbsy person "Butterfingers" even though his real name is Bob, or a bad typist "Misspeller Jones" even though his real name is Julio? --[[User:-erson|-erson]] 23:34, 16 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*****It sounds to me like the sort of thing you'd find in the first five pages of a beginners' Spanish textbook, and without otherwise knowing what to say to the Kerrek, he just rambled relative nonsense. We know his real name, and it's not Julio. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 02:06, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
******We dont ''know'' that his real name is Rather Dashing, the character doesn't actually say it himself. Just the narrator. And whos more likely to know his own name, the narrator or Rather Dashing? --[[User:-erson|-erson]] 02:12, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*******So, at the end of the game, the NARRATOR tells Trogdor (who repeats it - in voice acting!) that his name is Rather Dashing? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 02:17, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
********Sorry, I never played to the end of the game. But honeslty, what are the odds that if he was talking nonsence he would utter a phrase that just happens to be a very popular opening statement when meeting new people? And, there is no where in the game where it tells you Rather Dashing can't speak Spanish. Perhaps he though Kerrek spoke spanish.
*********Yes, I just double-checked the ending. The narration says "You scream that your name is Rather Dashing", followed by a long speech with a computer voice reading along (a direct quote by Trogdor), ending in "It will be a pleasure to burninate you, Rather Dashing." One random piece of text may give small credence to your theory that RD's real name is Julio, but the entire rest of the game contradicts it. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 02:24, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*Perhaps a rewrite than to indiciate that Rather Dashing's name may be Julio according to that text?--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 02:31, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
**I don't think Fun Facts is a place for theories that "may be" true based on a possible interpretation of one statement. '''Decline.''' [[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 06:30, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Yet Another Comment.''' We all know that "rather dashing" is a term meaning you're good-looking. Maybe he just calls himself that because he thinks he's, well, good-looking. [[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 14:41, 17 Apr 2005 (EST)
*How do we know he just didn't read that off of a Spanish textbook? It's just as much speculation to say that Rather Dashing CAN speak Spanish as it is to say he can't. Can't you just accept that this is random TBC humor? Seriously, this is a bigger stretch than Dhalsim. '''Me llamo decline''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 06:25, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Comment Numero Tres.''' Look, we're never going to get anywhere like this, and I'm sick of the arguments. Someone lock this thing, PLEASE. --[[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 16:53, 19 Apr 2005
*'''Comment.''' Throughout all of the Peasant's Quest Movie Trailer, Rather Dashing is referred to as ... Rather Dashing. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 02:25, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

===[[Stinkoman_20X6]]===

====Control Scheme====
The poor control scheme (a to jump, s to fire) may be another Mega Man reference, this time to the Mega Man Anniversary Collection which included Mega Man 1-8. On the Gamecube version, the controls for fire and jump were also messed up. (a to fire, b to jump) This eventually ended up with many frusterated gamers who intented to jump over a bottomless pit, but instead fired their plasma buster instead.

'''Verdict:''' After over a month of voting, this fact was overwhelmingly '''Declined'''. Moved to [[Talk:Stinkoman_20X6]]. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 15:11, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====Ninja Gaiden Levels====
Level X.x is also a reference to the display of levels in Ninja Gaiden.

'''VERDICT:''' After more than two weeks of voting this item was unanimously declined. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 21:53, 17 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====Stoves====
Planet K is in the Year 20X6, where gas stoves would have gone out of everyday life, yet some can be seen in stage 2.

'''Verdict:''' After several weeks of voting, this fact was unanimously '''Declined'''. Moved to [[Talk:Stinkoman_20X6]]. --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 23:09, 18 Apr 2005 (UTC)

====More Levels====
When you beat the game it will say "MORE LEVELS TO COME!".

*Far too obvious; anyone who beats the game can see that. Sure, it might be useful to anyone who can't beat the game, but it's hardly worth being listed as a "fun fact". --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Accept''' Since the game doesn't have a Transcript, this is useful information for the game's page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:38, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. Oh, and Ogog, I'm assuming that's a Decline? You never actually voted. Just a heads-up. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 17:42, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*I was going to leave it for others to decide after I explained why I moved it here, but yeah, '''Decline'''. --Ogog
*'''Weak Accept''' It doesn't seem worth pointing out, really, but I guess it's interesting. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:33, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' It is now noted in the Stinkoman 20X6 Walkthrough. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:58, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Accept & Revise''' Add that this message suggests that there might be a second Stinkoman game sometime in the future. -[[User:Miss Free Country USA|Miss Free Country USA]]

====Stone Fist====
When you beat the final boss, Stinkoman says he got a power-up and puts on the stone fist, showing an almost 100% chance for more levels!

*'''Decline'''Same as the "More Levels" fun fact listed above. Obvious and not noteworthy as a fun fact. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Accept''' Same as my comment above - since the game has no Transcript, it's useful as a fact. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:38, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'''. This doesn't show that there will be new levels. That's what the screen AFTER the cutscene's for. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 17:41, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Accept!''' [[User:http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/User:Extremejon|Extremejon]]
*I'm wearing clothes, does that mean for sure I'm going out? '''Decline''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:33, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
**Well that depends. If you're wearing clothes that are made of magnetic material with a strong attraction to a magnetic field just outside an open window that you're standing next to, then it might be safe to assume that you're going out.
*'''Decline''' Now noted in the walkthrough transcript --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 05:59, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Second''' [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 06:43, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Engrish====
The creators of Stinkoman 20X6 are poking fun at the 'all your base are belong to us' type language goofs in the stereotypical English port of a Japanese game.

*'''Decline'''There is absolutely no need to point this out. Yet another fun fact that's too obvious. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
*'''Weak Accept''' I do agree that is kind of obvious, but this does constitute a valid reference. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:38, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Decline'''; noted at the top of the page. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 17:43, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
**Thanks for immortalizing the fact into my fragile little mind, fact-writer. '''All Your Second Are Belong To Us''' [[User:SP'd|SP'd]]
*Zero Wing is far from the first instance of Engrish. Come on. '''Decline''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:34, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Brody====
Brody looks similar to Big Bird from Sesame Street.

*'''Decline'''Aside from Brody's legs and coloring, this isn't true. And the legs and coloring don't hold much water on their own, seeing as how: A. Birds' legs look something like that and are often illustrated that way. B. Every other chicken in Level 2 is colored yellow, and chickens are often illustrated to be yellow anyway. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
**'''Second''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 02:35, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)

====Tampo====
The name Tampo may be a reference to a Japanese kind of fried food (Tempura). Or even Tempo, the speed of music.

*'''Decline'''This is very doubtful. Tempura is a big stretch, sure the manual says Tampo is as mean as he is delicious, but that hardly connects Tampo and tempura. And ''tempo''?? Tampo has nothing to do with tempo or even anything musical. --[[User:Ogog|Ogog]]
** '''Comment''' Well, it IS a Mega Man parody, and many Mega Man characters are named for musical terms (Rock & Roll, Blues [in Japan], Bass, Treble, Forte [in Japan], Gospel [in Japan], Rush, Tango, Beat, Punk, Enka/Enker, Quint, Ballad(e), Duo... and I'm probably forgetting a few.) Of course, that doesn't automatically mean that Tampo was named for the term "tempo" - it probably wasn't - but it's not outside the realm of possibility. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
***'''Decline''' The creators of Megaman had music in mind when they made the character. They said so. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 06:03, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)
*'''Decline''' Big stretch in both cases. And a '''Comment''' to [[User:Ogog|Ogog]], make sure that your comments are bulleted and that you show your vote as Accept or Decline. Also, make sure you remove the STUFF'd item when you put it on this page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 15:38, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
**'''Second'''. Er, the vote, that is. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 17:44, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)

====Black Spots====
Stinkoman doesn't have any black spots on his cheeks for the ripped off sprites

*'''Decline''' Maybe if I understood what this was saying I might like it more, but it still doesn't seem right. What do you guys think? -- [[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 20:32, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Declininated''' I don't get it. [[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 17:10, 19 Apr 2005
*'''Allow me''' I THINK what is being said is this:
The black portion of Stinkoman's mask is missing in his sprite form, because
it is a ripoff of Megaman sprites.
*However, this is pretty useless AND false (it's not a ripoff of Megaman sprites, just strongly based on them.) Most old, small sprites lack detail seen in their fully-drawn form. So I must concur with '''Decline'''. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 21:43, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*And you can't see Mario's nostrils in Super Mario Bros. So? '''Let's Declining Love''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 23:59, 19 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*'''Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you asking for a Decline?!?''' --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 00:30, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

===[[Bronco Trolleys]]===
====Wagon Wheel====
This after-school snack is along the lines of the Wagon Wheel (a slice of cheese between 2 round crackers) which was immortalized in the classic "Time For Timer" cartoon about [http://www.allthingsanimated.com/ata/episodes.asp?cartoon_id=885 hankering for a hunk of cheese]. The circular shape, Western theme, suggestion of locomotion, and after-school nature of this snack add up to a [[TBC]] homage. --[[User:beanluc|beanluc]] 03:05, 16 Dec 2004 (MST)
*'''Accept.''' I suppose that's interesting. --67.161.224.65
*'''Rewrite''' Fun facts shouldn't reference "me". The wiki is supposed to be informational, like an encyclopedia. -- [[User:Tim333|Tim333]]
** Good point: It was re-written as suggested. --[[User:beanluc|beanluc]]
*'''Rewrite''' It wasn't Schoolhouse Rock. It was Time for Timer. --Jeffrey
*'''Accept.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]
*'''Decline''' In an interview with one of the Brothers Chaps, he says that the Bronco Trolley was something he saw in a dream.
**Please sign your vote. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 17:11, 31 Mar 2005 (MST)
*'''Second''' the last unsigned vote. [[User:Fizz123|Fizzy Again!]]
*'''Decline''' I'd agree with you, but there's proof that says otherwise.[[User:TakuaKaita600|TakuaKaita600]] 20:11, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== General ==
=== Cross-Toon Facts ===
==== Parents ====
When [insert scene here], this is one of the few references to any of the characters having any parents.

'''VERDICT:''' By a vote of 2-1, this item is declined. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 18:38, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:The discussion can be found at the [[HRWiki:Select_The_Usable_Fun_Facts_Archive#Parents_.28declined.29|STUFF Archive]]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 18:57, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

User:Tom

Firefoxman — Wed, 13 Apr 2005 22:49:44 GMT

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[[Image:Mike Chapman and Tom Preuss.jpg|thumb|[[Mike Chapman|Mike]] and I at the [[NYU Talk - 1 Mar 2005]]]]
Hello! I'm Tom.

==About me==

I'm Tom. I love this Wiki. I love [[Homestar Runner]]. I love [[The Brothers Chaps]].

==Wiki pages that I am quite proud of==
* [[couch patch|StrongBadEmail/couch patch/TranScript]]
* [[Not the 100th Email!!!|StrongBadEmail/Not the 100th Email!!!]]
* [[Not the 100th Email!!!|StrongBadEmail/Not the 100th Email!!!/Transcript]]
* [[BMW Lighter]]
* A bit of [[fingers|StrongBadEmail/fingers/TranScript]]
* [[Fan Costume Commentary|Secret Pages/CostumesTranscript]]
* [[car|StrongBadEmail/car/Transcript]]
* [[haircut|StrongBadEmail/haircut/Transcript]]
* [[theme park|StrongBadEmail/theme park/Transcript]]
* [[Puppet Jam: Vitamins/Celebrities|Puppet Jam 3/Transcript]]
* [[Decemberween In July|Decemberween in July/EasterEggs/Transcript]] ("Homestar vs. Little Girl" Easter Egg Transcript)
* [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 11.2|Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 11.2 Transcript]]

Yeah, I was not doing much else at 2:30 on a Monday morning... so that explains my discovery of the second one there...

I also upkeep the [[Floppy Disk Container]] page with a passion. I like that page. More than you know.

==Contact me==

Any [[User_talk:Tom|comments]] will be appreciated.

Please feel free to e-mail me at [mailto:tom@hrwiki.org tom@hrwiki.org].

HRWiki:Main Page Talk Archive 1

Firefoxman — Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:44:28 GMT

Firefoxman:

This is an arcive of posts in the MainPage talk page.
Go back to the MainPage talk page [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page here].
Last updated on:
'''March 26, 2005'''

== Links to toons/pages ==

''This has been refactored.'' There was some discussion about whether "External Links" should go at the top or bottom of the page. A few people liked having them at the top for easy access to H*R.com, but it was eventually decided that they should go at the bottom, following Wikipedia's example.

== Screenshots ==
''This has been refactored.'' It would be nice if we could figure out how to make the screenshots on toon/email pages into thumbnails. This would get them out of the way so that content isn't pushed too far down the page. We need (read: Joey needs) to talk to our host about getting Image::Magick installed on the server before that will be possible.

== Upload file ==
''This has been refactored.'' There is some concern that some members of our community (or outsiders for that matter) will upload unnecessary or innappropriate images. It was decided that they could link to them just as easily as they could download them, and it's better for the images to be hosted here than free sites that may be unstable. Bandwidth is not really an issue, though it probably would spike if we allowed uploads (and consequently a lot of image downloads) from our server. There are a number of special pages we can use to monitor uploads so they will not get out of hand: [[Special:Imagelist]], [[Special:Unusedimages]].
:Is there any way to make GIF an allowed format? I don't like GIF any more than the next guy, but it's useful sometimes. For example, the 'tear' icon from [[Strong Sad's Lament]] is an animated GIF, and I'd like to upload it for posterity (since the Lydia one fell off the face of the Earth).

::We can't upload GIFs? I had no idea. I'll look into it. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 08:54, 26 Aug 2004 (MST)

::: Sorry this took me so long, but I've checked into it and it seems to me like we can upload GIFs just fine. [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] —[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 16:50, 30 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Adding the rest of the stuff ==
Okay, I did a few tweaks on AgentSeethroo's addition. We have to figure out a few things:
#How to list the Characters on the [[Characters]] page. I know the few characters we have setup now were done with categories. I don't know how we are going to get them all (secondary etc.) on one page.
#I indented the 3 Features. They are under Toons, but I know they deserve a spot on the Main Menu... any other suggestions on how to do that?
#Rejects/Everything Else - what to call the page. Or even if we need that page. Should we just list everything on the Characters page under several headings? And we have to figure out what the categories are going to be.
Ideas everyone? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:10, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay...
#I'm not a huge fan of the Character page on the old wiki, but we may have to do something similar due to the amount of character "aliases" or whatever...I'll have to think about that for a little bit.
#I think the indention is okay, but it's the only thing on the page that's indented. It makes it look kinda wierd. I also thought the [[Features]] link was gonna get ditched from the main page? Maybe I got lost sometime...
#This is gonna take some discussion I think. I think it should go byebye, and if anyone makes ANY pages that could be deemed NOT canon or not very important, like ANYTHING in rejects, it goes under the category of Misc. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 09:55, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Yeah, we need to get Joey in on this discussion. I know he had some great ideas that seem to escape me at the moment. And you are right about the indent. But maybe we could have other indents?

Some of these pages are pretty big. I know that games page might work as two pages. Then an "Old Games" page could be indented underneath or something. Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:39, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::I think that characters can be broken down, as well as games. Maybe even places...maybe...
But I don't wanna randomly start indenting and cluttering things up, either... Joey? -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 12:14, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hm. Does ''every'' character have to go on the Characters page? I think rejected characters shouldn't even show up on the Characters page. If they are linked to from the toons/emails they appear in, or if someone references them in comments, then that's fine. The pages for Rejects should be created, but they need to be designated as stubs. Or, perhaps we can have a "Disputed Characters" category (or whatever name was decided on in that poll a while back, and then create a "Disputed Characters" template that says something like, "The validity of this character is in question. If you feel that this character should be considered for placement within the 'Characters' category, discuss it on the talk page." --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::I agree. Keep them off the Characters page, and create a category for them at most. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:07, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::::Yeah, keep them off the Characters page. But okay then, we need to set up a good system of rules to determine what's going to go in that category/on that page, and say... what's an Inside Joke. And I like the template idea. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:19, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::::And quit asking for my input. I trust you guys. Do what you feel is proper. As for the "features" link, it should go. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:43, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Sketchbook? ==
I just had a thought...should we have the [[Sketchbook]] here on the main page, since it's being updated weekly (or so), or will it only be in the museum?

:That's a good question. We were behind a few weeks when they started doing the Weekly Fanstuff, because we didn't know they weren't going to archive it. I say as long as we have it somewhere and record it for now, we're good either way. If it becomes as regular as Weekly Fanstuff or the Quote of the Week, then we can add it to a more prominent place. I guess. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:13, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:: I do'd it anyway! HA! How's it look? Someone was keepin' up with it already, so I just moverized it.-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:41, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Wiki Stuff ==
Okay, now that that's kinda settled...How are we gonna format the WikiStuff section of the main page? I know not everything will be included in this new wiki, but some stuff needs a place, like HelpDesk and WikiSandbox and whatnot. Do we just follow the same formatting as the old wiki, even though it may be like 5 links and that's it? Is it possible to make a sidebar links thingy that'd show up on every page? That'd be awesome, and it'd set us apart a little more.
Also, half of the pages that we linked on the main page make me wanna barf. I wonder why we never looked these things over periodically? I mean the downloads page, on a scale of 1 to 10 is horrible.5. There's gonna have to be some major overhauling of most those pages to make them look WAY more professional. I'd like to make this a site that TBC can NOT ignore, ya know?
-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:58, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Ah, very good questions. MediaWiki has these things called "[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace Namespace]s". For example the "Category:" part of the link puts the page in the "Category" namespace. Our Wiki's namespace for pages like the sandbox and stuff would go under "Homestar Runner Wiki:" just like the [[Homestar Runner Wiki:General disclaimer]] and [[Homestar Runner Wiki:FAQ]] pages. The HelpDesk is in the "Help:" namespace. See [[Help:Contents]]. Also, a lot of that is under the "Special:" namespace: [[Special:Allpages|Allpages]], [[Special:Listusers|Listusers]], [[Special:Ipblocklist|Ipblocklist]], and so on. We can put stuff over there on the sidebar too. And yes, some of those pages are totally "barf" as you say. I couldn't agree with you more. Maybe someone else has some suggestions on all this... Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:29, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ==
The Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ''really'' needs to be shortened to just HRWiki. Sewiously. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 01:16, 14 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Any idea how I do that? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:04, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. I think I've made the change, but things are still pointing to the wrong places. Check out the "Search" page. The namespace is called the right thing there. However, the "About" and "Disclaimers" pages still point to "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:About" and "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:General_Disclaimer". I'm also looking into changing the name of "Current events" to "H*R.com updates" and making the "Community portal" link a "WikiForum" link instead. On a related note, I found a really useful page for the admins: [[Special:Allmessages]]. This lets us change all of the various system messages. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, I'm a confused kid right now. I've edited at least three of the system messages, but they aren't changing. I've changed them from the [[Special:Allmessages]] page and directly in the Languages.php file. What the heck am I doing wrong?? Specifically, I'm talking about the "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning" pages. Here's where I learned about this: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_namespace. Help! --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:47, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::Okay, our case-change stuff messed up more than I thought it would. Apparently, while I was editing "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning", I should've been editing "Portal", "Portal-url", and "Copyrightwarning". I wonder if there's some way we can limit our case-change stuff to just the HRWiki namespace. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hmm, now the WikiForum link links to a Wiki page called "http://forum..." Hrm.

== Let's Open 'er Up ==
So, lately I've had this horribly sick feeling that things have gone all wrong. This wiki is a community, and therefore a project like this should be done as a community. What we should do, above anything, is get things ready to be opened up. I'd like to see our community finish moving emails, toons, and characters (maybe I'm just lazy, but I really do feel that this is a matter of principle).

I know some of you might be freaking out and thinking that we can't trust our users to move stuff the right way, but think about this: This community has worked so far precisely because we have given everyone the freedom to edit any document. This is the wiki way! If we don't trust our community to get things right, why is this even a wiki in the first place? We might as well just have a normal website maintained by the dozen of us that are working on this migration right now.

So, what we really need to do is all the stuff that's necessary for this place to be operational. We need to build the documentation, make sure all the namespaces and options are set up the way we want them, etc. What do you guys think of this? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:31, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay, this is a little scary. I think for the mostpart, you're right, but we still have to issue of page load. If we open up both the old wiki and the new wiki to everybody, things are going to slow to a crawl again. Can you think of any solution to this? Also, I'm afraid we'll have tons of collision problems with lots of people working on the same documents at the same time. And a lot of people are going to try to copy-and-past things the lazy way, without taking the time to fix links, etc. I agree that this should be a community effort, but I think we have to resolve those issues first. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::I know you guys know I'm against opening it up. We don't even have any of our help page written yet. Or have the copyrights worked out: we have one place that says GNU and one place that says CC. And Jones is right about that page load. and the everyone doing everything at once thing. Just some more stuff to think about.
::As to the problem Joey's dealing with: our not giving everyone the freedom to edit... I think that would create more problems. Joey's right, giving everyone editing rights makes the wiki better, but that happens over a longer period of time. Right now we have to think on the short term. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::I agree with the Tom and Jones. This place is still a wiki, people will still be able to edit it when it opens up. Lettin' everyone on right now, even to help, would be kinda like lettin' a bunch of kids into an amusement park before it's finished and saying "You have to help us finish, though." There. My two cents. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 08:34, 31 Aug 2004 (MST)

== CSS Tweaks ==
Joey, could you increase the paragraph (P tags) spacing in the CSS? It's a little difficult to make out paragraph boundaries right now. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Working on it... --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Done. Sorry it took me so long. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Case issues ==
I just noticed something that might be an issue. Since we made case matter (for the emails), we now have the issue of [[Ballad of the Sneak]] and [[Ballad of The Sneak]] (and every other case variation) being two completely distinct pages. Is this going to be a problem? -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:39, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:This is already a problem on Wikipedia for any word after the first word. For instance, try looking up "George bush". We'll (and when I say we, I'm talking about the whole community, not just us admins) just have to pay close attention and create redirects where necessary -- at least until all the links can be fixed. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:56, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Okay, "George bush" is a bad example because there's already a redirect. Try "Greek orthodox". --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:57, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, no probalo. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]

::::Yeah, we have this issue with [[The Paper]] and [[The paper]]. I think Joey did the redirect for that. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Flash file links ==
Okay, so this has kinda been buggin' me for a while. Whoever first called it "watch this video in fullscreen" obviously had no idea they were linking to the actual raw flash file. Since then, we've continued to call it "watch this video in fullscreen". Can we change it to "download the flash file of this video", or something more meaningful? What do you think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:34, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Hm, I guess you're right. Though I wish you'd mentioned it before I did all the toons. :D Anyway, "download" isn't quite the right term, since it'll just play in most people's browsers. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:52, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. It downloads in Firefox, but I guess that's probably a preference setting. "view the flash file"? "watch the flash file"? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::"view the Flash file" seems good to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 11:32, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::We could use a template, like: <nowiki>[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail50.swf Download the Flash file] {{swf}}</nowiki>, and the <nowiki>{{swf}}</nowiki> prints a small boilerplate saying it may download the Flash file or it may instead view it in "fullscreen". - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 13:48, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Convertulator suggestions ==

StrongBadEmail should be automagically changed to [[Strong Bad Email]]. Anyplace where StrongBadEmail/ appears, it should be removed, so [[StrongBadEmail/flashback]] automagically becomes [[flashback]]. Only problem would be links like this: [[StrongBadEmail/flashback|flashback]]. They would turn out like this: [[flashback|flashback]], which I suppose isn't a big deal, but it's unnecessary bloat. We'll just have to watch for those. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:39, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've implemented your suggestions. However, I did find one small bug. If you have a (()) Wiki link that itself is in parentheses, e.g. "(((Some Page)) here)", the Convertulator will convert the first pair of parentheses, yielding <nowiki>[[(Some Page]] here)</nowiki>. There's no easy fix for this, so unfortunately we'll just have to just be on the lookout for it. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 14:17, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Characters featured ==

While adding Filmography categories, I noticed something. The featured characters lists don't seem to be in any particular order. I've been alphabetizing for the filmography categories, but I think the "Featured:" list should be in order of appearance. Maybe it should say...

'''Cast (in order of appearance): [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]], [[Homsar]]'''

What do you guys think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:53, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've always tried to do them in order of appearance. Seems like a good standard to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:54, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Navigation links on left ==

Two, maybe three of the nav links on the left have odd tooltips.

*'''Main Page''' - Visit the main page [alt-z]
**This is fine.
*'''Strong Bad Email''' - About the project, what you can do, where to find things
**Obviously this isn't what it is at all.
*'''H*R.com updates''' - Find background information on current events
**And nor is this ''really''.
*'''Recent changes''' - The list of recent changes in the wiki. [alt-r]
**Also fine.
*'''Random page''' - Load a random page. [alt-x]
**Also fine.
*'''Help''' - The place to find out.
**Slightly odd?

Also, we probably ought to have shortcuts for everything or nothing.

:Very good catch. I didn't even notice that the alt text was still set for the default links that used to be there. We also need to get the external links to the WikiForum and the WikiChat there as well. Thanks for the heads up, "84.9.23.83". -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:34, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

:You're welcome! I've got myself a proper account now. - [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 11:00, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Inside jokes ==

Why are [[Inside Jokes]] classified as "wiki stuff"? They are part of the content of H*R, and do not refer to the workings of the wiki. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 00:31, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I guess Rejects are in that same catagory. Plus things like the glossary just kind of float somewhere in between. I think some reformatting of the section definitions are in order, as long as the Main Page is recieving an overhaul. Any additional design suggestions? -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:35, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I was just doing some more thinking, and what about having the Knowledge Base contain ONLY the things listed on the H*R main page(s), and put everything left over into Wiki Stuff. Basically it would look something like this, and would have the added bonus of evening the two sections out, leaving External Links on the bottom...

* [[Toons]]
** [[Strong Bad Email]]
** [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]
** [[Teen Girl Squad]]
** [[Powered By The Cheat]]
** [[Puppet Stuff]]
** [[Holiday Toons]]
* [[Games]]
* [[Characters]]
* [[Downloads]]
* [[Store]]
* [[Email]]
* [[Legal]]
* [[Main Pages]]
** [[Weekly Fanstuff]]
** [[Quote of the Week]]
** [[Sketchbook]]
* [[Museum]]
* [[Secret Pages]]

Then this to the right of it: (Perhaps the first part in an additional section)

* [[Places]]
* [[Items]]
* [[Songs]]
* [[Quotes]]
* [[Glossary]]
* [[Inside Jokes]]
(Perhaps another section here?)
* [[Special:Listusers|List of registered wiki users]]
* [[Links]]
* [[Sightings]]
* [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]]
* [[HRWiki:Ledger|Ledger]]
* [[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]]
* [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]
* [[WikiTroll]]
* [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]]

Then the external links in another catergory. Does anyone like this idea? I think it draws a clearer distinction between things organized by the site, and additional Knowledge sorted by the Wiki. I think a clearer illustration would be that the Knowlege base is simply the 10 vegetables, and the Wiki Stuff is all the different salads they can be made into. Does anyone understand this very abstract illustration? As of now there is no clear line drawn, and many pages float in between. At the very least pages like [[Inside Jokes]] and [[Songs]] seem to be in the same catergory and in my opinion should be sorted accordingly. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:48, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

The Wiki Stuff should be for all the internal housekeeping pages like help pages, list of Trolls, ongoing projects and the like. The material that branches out from the core H*R content like [[Sightings]] can be grouped together, but they are not Wiki specific things. -[[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 12:44, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Then what about renaming the section, or even adding a seperate section? Perhaps name that one something like... 'Base Knowledge', and the other one like 'Secondary Knowledge', or something like that. Then have Wiki Troll, Ledger, Ect. under 'Wiki Stuff'. Or move EVERYTHING H*R related to Knowlege base, including Inside Jokes, ect, but that would make the menu look very offset... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 12:58, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Does anybody have an opinion about my idea? I think it's a good layout... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 22:56, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

== New Format = <strike>Banners</strike>? ==

I like the new format, it does make the title screen smaller, and more... colorful, I guess, but what happened to those cool banners? Any way to incorporate them into the design at the tops of the boxes? They really gave the main page a distinct look, and I would like to see them live again. If they don't fit, could whoever made them maybe remake one or two for a custom fit? I dunno, just a suggestion. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:28, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also as long as we're on the topic of the new format, what about moving the External Links to below the Wiki Stuff section? There's alot of unused space there. Might even get the page to one screen, without scrolling. Plus should anyone put the explanations of the links back? There seems to be a lack of explanations, only half the links have them. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:32, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Ah ha. I uploaded the banners to [[:Image:officialsite-banner.png]], [[:Image:wikipages-banner.png]], and [[:Image:externallinks-banner.png]]. I'm hoping that someone will come up with something similar that will work with this format. I'm thinking the width should be limited to around 100px.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:16, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I don't see what was wrong with a lil' scrolling. I'm taking this very harshly. It was my only reminder of the old wiki. --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 14:08, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:It reminds me a lot of Wikipedia. Maybe to much. I'm thinkin' we need something to "liven" the page up a bit, maybe like an official "Homestar Runner Wiki" banner across the top of the page. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

== Other New Format comments ==

Oh, gosh, I looked at the new format and I almost lost my lunch. It's so ugly! I really think the old banners should be back! Is there a way we can get them back?

[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 17:04, 17 Nov 2004

I agree, the Banners are needed. Any way to put them along the tops of the colored boxes, even custom stretching them to fit? I think that would look rather good. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 16:33, 17 Nov 2004 (

:It's not that big of a deal. If you puked over this, I'd hate to ride a Tilt-A-Whirl with you. Get over it. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::I'm starting to notice a pattern of people percieving improvements as being evil here, first with the switchover from Tavi to this, then the reformatting of the front page. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 02:53, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::If there's one thing that never changes, it's that people are afraid of change, no matter how much it improves their lives. Never try to give your grandma a new TV. Anyway, the banners aren't gone for good. The ones we were using just don't fit in the new layout. And just so we're clear: messing about with the front page just because you "liked it better before" is trolling and will be handled as such. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

::uh, how does this change improve my life? I guess the layout is more functional, but as for improvement, I don't think it really adds anything to the site.

::: I agree. It looks more crowded and ugly. Needs more color, like the homestar runner website. Keeping the new layout is fine, we just need smaller banners. (Btw, why is keeping the old layout trolling, yet putting up a worse layout not? I agree with your point, I just find that statement a very harsh thing that goes agenst the wiki spirit.) Also, this layout looks like crap at 800x600 --[[User:James|James]] 13:52, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)
::::The reason reverting to the old layout is trolling is quite simple: Tom (one of the mods) is the one that did the redesign, and since the mods have the most say in how the Wiki is set up, they have authority. Changing it back because you don't like this new version, therefore, is showing contempt for the mods and so on and so forth. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 14:58, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::::What about coming up with a better design that everyone likes? Is this ok? --[[User:James|James]] 18:22, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::Can't we settle this with a vote? --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 18:17, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::I don't know. Whichever wins, a whole mess of people would be mad. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::Afraid of change, no. Liked the banners, yes. :( --[[User:Southpaw018|Southpaw018]] 21:47, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::The banners were awesome and the new design is awful. I downloaded the banners (thanks Tom) and I am willing to make new ones (that's part of what I do for a living). I will make a couple and see what everyone thinks.-[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]

::I'll help if you need it. I made the origenal banners that started this whole thing off anyway. :-) --[[User:James|James]] 14:46, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::DONE! Here is one --> [[:Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]. I kept the theme of the old banners. If there are any changes you would like to see, tell me. Let me know if you want to use these and I will make the other two.-[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]

:::Thats a little small, ain't it? what about something 200 pixels wide? --[[User:James|James]] 18:33, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::[[Image:knowledgebase-banner-200px.png]] {200 x 50 px} [[Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]{100 x 50 px} -[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]
:::: That looks great! Could you make the other two sctions also? The "External Links" one might have to be larger, as that section goes all the way across the bottom of the page. --[[User:James|James]] 12:47, 23 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::: I will go ahead and do the other two soon. I am going to do them all the same size and then we can decide if the one needs to be bigger and exactly how much bigger.[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]] 20:20, 23 Nov 2004 (MST)

::::Nevermind...External links has been moved.[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]] 09:17, 24 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also, it is really annoying that the "knowledge base" frame is about 10% bigger than the "Wiki Stuff" frame. Why is this?-[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]

::Yes! I've been noticing this and it's driving me up the wall. If anything, the "Wiki stuff" frame should be bigger simply because there is more text that wraps on it. Having it smaller then "Knowledge base" is retarded, mostly since the "Knowledge base" frame has very little text that extends all the way to the border. --[[User:James|James]] 18:21, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

I just did a quick preview of the main page with equal frames and it looks so much better then when it's 10% off. Theres absolutely no reason I see for the 10% diffrence. Or is there something I'm missing? --[[User:James|James]] 18:26, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::Hi James. I'm glad you are thinking of changes for the Main Page. However, I'd like to ask that you refrain from using words such as "retarded" as this can be offensive to developmentally disabled people.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:04, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::::Ok. Sorry. --[[User:James|James]] 17:09, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::::ARGH! I just started this thread to comment, not to have a "This is better, shut up this is better" argument. I was figuratively saying that I almost lost my lunch. I don't really give a care if we go back to the banners and just keep our look. I was just offering an opinion. --[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 13:29, 24 Nov 2004 (CST)

== New Banners ==

I'm happy to see that [[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]] has created some proposals for new banners. I'm sure as many of you have already done, I've tried them on the page in a quick "preview". (Please note that they most likely will be contained in code like ''<nowiki><div style="float:right;margin-left:1em;width:100px">[[Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]</div></nowiki>'' so that they will float to the appropriate area in the section.) While they do add somewhat to the page, I think they could be improved upon. While a small width must be maintained, I don't think it would create a problem if the image had a greater height. If anyone cares to propose more images, just add them to the discussion here.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:40, 26 Nov 2004 (MST)

== The Character Silhouettes ==

I think Joey Day has the solution for us, looking at the main page now. Skipping the whole banners or no argument and doing something that integrates itself perfectly into the new design? Very very nice. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 14:06, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

:I love those, but perhaps resize one to be the same general dimensions as the other? It bothers me slightly. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 14:43, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

::Hm. I actually shrunk Strong Bad a bit because I thought he looked too big compared to Homestar. Now that I've watched a few toons I've realized Strond Bad just has a really big head. I'm not at home now or I would redo the image right now. I'll try to do it later tonight. [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] —[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 16:09, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

:One other small adjustment: I think the characters could stand to be just a little darker; I can hardly see them on my laptop unless I move my screen to just the right angle. Otherwise, it looks really good. Nice job, JoeyDay. --[[User:oddtodd|oddtodd]] 14:41, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

== Enhancement/Modification of Logo==

Props to the individual who tweaked the wiki's main logo image that appears in the upper left-hand corner. It certainly says something about our wiki - I love the polished look and it really is a marked improvement. --[[User:The Paper|The Paper]] 15:02, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

:Thanks. I've been meaning to modify it for some time now. The text was way too small before. Did you also notice I swapped out the default mediawiki background for a more better homestar styled background? You can see it best on a short page like [[Labor Day|this one]]. [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] —[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 22:41, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

::Now that's really cool. I like both the new logo and the new background. --[[User:oddtodd|oddtodd]] 20:28, 2 Dec 2004 (MST)
::Yeah, I like the new background and logo. You may as well call it Mono[[The Field|TheField]]. [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]-<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|?</tt>]] 20:37, 22 Dec 2004 (MST)

:: Good call on the background. I never noticed. But yea, now I notice a lack of lines along the top. You've really done a good job of personalizing the Wiki. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'']] 12:47, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)

== Hello ==

What is a wiki, this is crazy, can someone like tell me what to do, i look at HR weekly, anyone got any new updates

:One thing is we use correct grammar. Which includes correct capitolization and punctuation. To find out about this "crazy place", read up at the [[HRWiki:About]] page, or ask up any questions in the [[Help:Contents|Help Desk]]. (Oh, and for updates, there's a little thing called [http://www.homestarrunner.com homestarrunner.com] where there's this thing in the corner. It usually has updates, if I'm not mistaking. :) ) But anyways, a wiki is very easy to use if you know how, which you will learn at the [[HRWiki:About]] page. Trust me. You'll love it here if you decide to stick around.?''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

== Gr8 Job! ==

You guys do a great job at keeping troublemakers from ruining this site.

If someone would have asked me about the concept of Wiki before I saw it in action, I probably would have been very skeptical that trasher control would be effective.

Boy was I wrong.

Thanks FortyTwo and all you great detrollers out there!

:Wow, A shoutout! *sniff* I'm touched... Thanks! --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 19:53, 28 Dec 2004 (MST)

Talk:Main Page

Firefoxman — Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:43:10 GMT

Firefoxman:

In order to shorten the size of this page, all conversations before the 30th of December
have been arcived. You can access the archive [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Old:Talk:Main_Page here].

== What the crap? ==

Why am I not on the list of registered users? --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]

:You're number 439.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:42, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)

== 2004/2005 Tsunami Donation Link ==

I was just reading up on the [[Wikipedia:2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake|Indian Ocean Earthquake]] and realized how incredibly horrible this event was, and I'm seriously thinking we need some kind of banner to a donation link to the Wikipedia donation page. Or something like that. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

How very specific your request is.
-[[User:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf|Fhq]]

Fhq, what's your point? It's a good idea, don't give him crap because he's thinking larger than himself.
Bird, perhaps you should send Joey a PM on the forum. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]

:Just in case anyone was wondering, we won't be adding a notice to the Main Page. If you'd like to put a notice on your userpage, that would be acceptable.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:14, 7 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Dubious reference solution ==

Over the past few Strongbad e-mail articles, I've read a lot of (to be frank) farfetched suggestions of references that TBCs are presumably making to other stuff. Maybe, if you're 100% sure that something is intended as a reference (for example, a character name or line very specific to one TV show), then it's fine to say it's a reference. But if something just seems to remind you of something else (for example, a song that sounds kinda-sorta like a song that was played in the 23rd episode of some TV series), then it's more accurate to say that it is '''reminiscent''' of something, rather than a reference to something.

Just a suggestion.

:A wonderful suggestion, and it goes along with the ongoing discussion we are having regarding the overhaul of our current fun fact system. Thank you for your concern and idea.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:52, 13 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Locking down the main page ==

I visited today and noticed that the main page had been defaced. Someone else restored the last known good version, but it seems to me that the front page should not be editable by just anyone for this exact reason. Even the main page of Wikipedia is off-limits to anyone except staff...
:Yeah, I want the main page protected as well... [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]-<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|?</tt>]] 14:05, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)
-It happened again. This must be done NOW.

:Look, the template does nothing to prevent trolling; it's a redundancy. Locking down the Main Page is a good way to go, since nothing really changes there, anyway. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 14:26, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

I find it funny how the MediaWiki's been around for at least 5 months now and only NOW are people starting to complain about wanting the Main Page locked down. Personally, I think it's prime idiot bait, as in "if you deface the main page, you're automatically not fit to be on the wiki." --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 15:02, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

You could have a way to detect whether someone is severely defaceing the page or not. --[[User:67.161.224.65|67.161.224.65]]

::Okay, due to several requests and the seeming lack of need to update the Main Page, I've protected it. Please note that I do not like having it protected, this being a wiki and all, but I agree that it really doesn't need to be edited that much and is just sitting there as troll fodder. Thanks to all who helped with that last batch of defacement.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:12, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

:::I never change the main page, so I'm pretty happy with that, but I do have one concern. Might the Trollers who automatically go to work on the Main Page to start with, now be forced to move onto smaller, harder to detect defacements on other pages? What if we're only spreading the diease? [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'']] 18:46, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::::A good concern, and lucky for me I have this wonderful ditty to cite:
::::''...the fact is that for every troll with too much spare time, there are 100 users with just as much spare time ready and eager to undo that troll's (un)work. The fact is, the trolls always get bored before the users do, because the users are emotionally invested in what they've created and the Wiki moves fast enough that the average trolling only lasts about two minutes before it's reverted. A troll's work is hardly ever noticed by anybody, but a legitimate user's work is always noticed and appreciated. That's why wikis work. — InterruptorJones 15:37, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)'' ([[User_talk:FireBird#Question_from_Troll|ref]])
::::Simply put, that's just how wikis work. We'll notice no matter where or how small, and they will get tired.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:55, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::::::That is, unless said troll or trolls are emotionally invested in destroying the wiki. --Guest

::Good answer, thanks. Come to think of it, I guess if everyone has on their watchlist the pages they created, or just care for, then likely whatever page is edited will be watched by SOMEBODY. Thanks for the quick reply. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'']] 17:36, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Rejects? ==
Where did Rejects go?? What the? -- Asploder

:Away. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 23:57, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)

::Yes, they're all categorised now, but I don't know where they went. [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|?</tt>]] 18:08, 14 Feb 2005 (MST)

They all went to better places. Characters are now characters, items are now classified as items. Fancy that ;) [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 21:48, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

== Confusion over moving dates ==

The [[Main Page]] says that HRWiki will be moving 'from early Friday morning (Feb. 25) to late Sunday evening (Feb. 27)', but every other page says 'early Friday morning (Mar. 4) to late Sunday evening (Mar. 6)'. Someone should probably fix that on the main page, as it appears it's not closed presently. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 05:04, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)

:The date changed. A hard refresh (likely ctrl+F5) of the Main Page should clear your cache and solve the problem.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:16, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

== New ==

Hi, I'm new and not on the list.--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 09:19, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)
:Yes you are, you're number 895 →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 09:50, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

what number am i?--[[User:Harry|Harry]] 10:03, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Here, [[Special:Listusers|find out for yourself]]. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 10:46, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Thanks--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 11:10, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Favorite Character List ==
It think it might be nice if some o' you guys set up a "Most Popular Character" page to find out who are the most popular main characters in the Homestar Runner universe. There seems to be enough wiki users here to get an acurate idea. In this page, people would say who their favorite character is on the talk section (and their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc favorite as well if they want.) and then someone would add them all up into a graph to show who are the most/least popular character and so on. (And remember, MAIN characters only) To keep things simple, it could be a character would get 8 "popularity points" for being a first favorite, 7 for second, 6 for third, and so on. Whoever gets the highest popularity points goes in the most favorite section. Also, only registered users count. I dunno... this could be difficult and messy and inaccuriate, but if done right it could be very interesting.
Anyways... opinions anyone? --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 15:46, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Sorry, but this here's a vote for no. I think it could be a good idea under a different venu, such as the [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page Fanstuff Wiki], or perhaps a poll in the [http://forum.hrwiki.org/ Forum]. But since this is simply a knowledge base, it wouldn't really fit in too well.
[[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'']] 16:37, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

::I agree with Thunderbird. It's just not necessary. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::What if it was made in Fanstuff Wiki? Don't care too much if it never happens. Besides, I wouldn't have the know-how and stuff to make a page like that anyway. Someone else would have had to do it. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 17:09, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

::::Yeah, that'd be awesome. Run with it. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::::I went and I ran with it. You can check it out in the Interactive section of Fanstuff H*R Wiki. :) It's called, "Character Popularity"--[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 16:47, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Article of the day? ==

Why not have a featured article like Wikipedia?

:We don't have any featured articles, so we couldn't have a featured article of the day.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:49, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

::We could do it like the Fark.com [http://216.32.91.95/Main_Page Wiki] does it. Each month has 7 articles (one for each day of the week) that rotate around every week (with a new set every month). For instance, you create a page called [[HRWiki:Featured article/Tuesday, March]] then just do an include on the main page like:

<nowiki>== Featured article ==</nowiki> 
<nowiki>{{HRWiki:Featured article/{{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTMONTH}}}}</nowiki>

That would run automatically for a whole month with only 7 articles. --[[User:noclip|noclip]] 18:53, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

:The fact remains that we still don't have featured articles.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:05, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)
::You don't need to "have" them. You can just make em. Start a poll of which articles should be on the front page, take those and copy-paste them into HRWiki:Featured article/Whatever day and use that link on the front page.

== New logo ==

How about it?

[[Image:hrwlogoidea-fixed.png]]

[[User:noclip|noclip]] 18:59, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Looks spiffy, but I really like seeing Homestar's face up there. Besides that missing, I like it a lot. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 19:14, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

::I had this alternate too

[[Image:hrlogowithhr.png]]

[[User:noclip|noclip]] 19:26, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

:I like the one with the dropshadow, but would be happy with either of them... [[User:Glutnix|Glutnix]] 03:03, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)

I've started a [[HRWiki:New_logo_poll|Poll]] about this

HRWiki:Main Page Talk Archive 1

Firefoxman — Sat, 26 Mar 2005 13:39:35 GMT

Firefoxman: Booted

This is an arcive of posts in the MainPage talk page.
Last updated on:
'''March 26, 2005'''

== Links to toons/pages ==

''This has been refactored.'' There was some discussion about whether "External Links" should go at the top or bottom of the page. A few people liked having them at the top for easy access to H*R.com, but it was eventually decided that they should go at the bottom, following Wikipedia's example.

== Screenshots ==
''This has been refactored.'' It would be nice if we could figure out how to make the screenshots on toon/email pages into thumbnails. This would get them out of the way so that content isn't pushed too far down the page. We need (read: Joey needs) to talk to our host about getting Image::Magick installed on the server before that will be possible.

== Upload file ==
''This has been refactored.'' There is some concern that some members of our community (or outsiders for that matter) will upload unnecessary or innappropriate images. It was decided that they could link to them just as easily as they could download them, and it's better for the images to be hosted here than free sites that may be unstable. Bandwidth is not really an issue, though it probably would spike if we allowed uploads (and consequently a lot of image downloads) from our server. There are a number of special pages we can use to monitor uploads so they will not get out of hand: [[Special:Imagelist]], [[Special:Unusedimages]].
:Is there any way to make GIF an allowed format? I don't like GIF any more than the next guy, but it's useful sometimes. For example, the 'tear' icon from [[Strong Sad's Lament]] is an animated GIF, and I'd like to upload it for posterity (since the Lydia one fell off the face of the Earth).

::We can't upload GIFs? I had no idea. I'll look into it. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 08:54, 26 Aug 2004 (MST)

::: Sorry this took me so long, but I've checked into it and it seems to me like we can upload GIFs just fine. [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] —[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 16:50, 30 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Adding the rest of the stuff ==
Okay, I did a few tweaks on AgentSeethroo's addition. We have to figure out a few things:
#How to list the Characters on the [[Characters]] page. I know the few characters we have setup now were done with categories. I don't know how we are going to get them all (secondary etc.) on one page.
#I indented the 3 Features. They are under Toons, but I know they deserve a spot on the Main Menu... any other suggestions on how to do that?
#Rejects/Everything Else - what to call the page. Or even if we need that page. Should we just list everything on the Characters page under several headings? And we have to figure out what the categories are going to be.
Ideas everyone? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:10, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay...
#I'm not a huge fan of the Character page on the old wiki, but we may have to do something similar due to the amount of character "aliases" or whatever...I'll have to think about that for a little bit.
#I think the indention is okay, but it's the only thing on the page that's indented. It makes it look kinda wierd. I also thought the [[Features]] link was gonna get ditched from the main page? Maybe I got lost sometime...
#This is gonna take some discussion I think. I think it should go byebye, and if anyone makes ANY pages that could be deemed NOT canon or not very important, like ANYTHING in rejects, it goes under the category of Misc. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 09:55, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Yeah, we need to get Joey in on this discussion. I know he had some great ideas that seem to escape me at the moment. And you are right about the indent. But maybe we could have other indents?

Some of these pages are pretty big. I know that games page might work as two pages. Then an "Old Games" page could be indented underneath or something. Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:39, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::I think that characters can be broken down, as well as games. Maybe even places...maybe...
But I don't wanna randomly start indenting and cluttering things up, either... Joey? -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 12:14, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hm. Does ''every'' character have to go on the Characters page? I think rejected characters shouldn't even show up on the Characters page. If they are linked to from the toons/emails they appear in, or if someone references them in comments, then that's fine. The pages for Rejects should be created, but they need to be designated as stubs. Or, perhaps we can have a "Disputed Characters" category (or whatever name was decided on in that poll a while back, and then create a "Disputed Characters" template that says something like, "The validity of this character is in question. If you feel that this character should be considered for placement within the 'Characters' category, discuss it on the talk page." --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::I agree. Keep them off the Characters page, and create a category for them at most. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:07, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::::Yeah, keep them off the Characters page. But okay then, we need to set up a good system of rules to determine what's going to go in that category/on that page, and say... what's an Inside Joke. And I like the template idea. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:19, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::::And quit asking for my input. I trust you guys. Do what you feel is proper. As for the "features" link, it should go. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:43, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Sketchbook? ==
I just had a thought...should we have the [[Sketchbook]] here on the main page, since it's being updated weekly (or so), or will it only be in the museum?

:That's a good question. We were behind a few weeks when they started doing the Weekly Fanstuff, because we didn't know they weren't going to archive it. I say as long as we have it somewhere and record it for now, we're good either way. If it becomes as regular as Weekly Fanstuff or the Quote of the Week, then we can add it to a more prominent place. I guess. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:13, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:: I do'd it anyway! HA! How's it look? Someone was keepin' up with it already, so I just moverized it.-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:41, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Wiki Stuff ==
Okay, now that that's kinda settled...How are we gonna format the WikiStuff section of the main page? I know not everything will be included in this new wiki, but some stuff needs a place, like HelpDesk and WikiSandbox and whatnot. Do we just follow the same formatting as the old wiki, even though it may be like 5 links and that's it? Is it possible to make a sidebar links thingy that'd show up on every page? That'd be awesome, and it'd set us apart a little more.
Also, half of the pages that we linked on the main page make me wanna barf. I wonder why we never looked these things over periodically? I mean the downloads page, on a scale of 1 to 10 is horrible.5. There's gonna have to be some major overhauling of most those pages to make them look WAY more professional. I'd like to make this a site that TBC can NOT ignore, ya know?
-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:58, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Ah, very good questions. MediaWiki has these things called "[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace Namespace]s". For example the "Category:" part of the link puts the page in the "Category" namespace. Our Wiki's namespace for pages like the sandbox and stuff would go under "Homestar Runner Wiki:" just like the [[Homestar Runner Wiki:General disclaimer]] and [[Homestar Runner Wiki:FAQ]] pages. The HelpDesk is in the "Help:" namespace. See [[Help:Contents]]. Also, a lot of that is under the "Special:" namespace: [[Special:Allpages|Allpages]], [[Special:Listusers|Listusers]], [[Special:Ipblocklist|Ipblocklist]], and so on. We can put stuff over there on the sidebar too. And yes, some of those pages are totally "barf" as you say. I couldn't agree with you more. Maybe someone else has some suggestions on all this... Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:29, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ==
The Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ''really'' needs to be shortened to just HRWiki. Sewiously. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 01:16, 14 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Any idea how I do that? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:04, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. I think I've made the change, but things are still pointing to the wrong places. Check out the "Search" page. The namespace is called the right thing there. However, the "About" and "Disclaimers" pages still point to "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:About" and "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:General_Disclaimer". I'm also looking into changing the name of "Current events" to "H*R.com updates" and making the "Community portal" link a "WikiForum" link instead. On a related note, I found a really useful page for the admins: [[Special:Allmessages]]. This lets us change all of the various system messages. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, I'm a confused kid right now. I've edited at least three of the system messages, but they aren't changing. I've changed them from the [[Special:Allmessages]] page and directly in the Languages.php file. What the heck am I doing wrong?? Specifically, I'm talking about the "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning" pages. Here's where I learned about this: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_namespace. Help! --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:47, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::Okay, our case-change stuff messed up more than I thought it would. Apparently, while I was editing "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning", I should've been editing "Portal", "Portal-url", and "Copyrightwarning". I wonder if there's some way we can limit our case-change stuff to just the HRWiki namespace. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hmm, now the WikiForum link links to a Wiki page called "http://forum..." Hrm.

== Let's Open 'er Up ==
So, lately I've had this horribly sick feeling that things have gone all wrong. This wiki is a community, and therefore a project like this should be done as a community. What we should do, above anything, is get things ready to be opened up. I'd like to see our community finish moving emails, toons, and characters (maybe I'm just lazy, but I really do feel that this is a matter of principle).

I know some of you might be freaking out and thinking that we can't trust our users to move stuff the right way, but think about this: This community has worked so far precisely because we have given everyone the freedom to edit any document. This is the wiki way! If we don't trust our community to get things right, why is this even a wiki in the first place? We might as well just have a normal website maintained by the dozen of us that are working on this migration right now.

So, what we really need to do is all the stuff that's necessary for this place to be operational. We need to build the documentation, make sure all the namespaces and options are set up the way we want them, etc. What do you guys think of this? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:31, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay, this is a little scary. I think for the mostpart, you're right, but we still have to issue of page load. If we open up both the old wiki and the new wiki to everybody, things are going to slow to a crawl again. Can you think of any solution to this? Also, I'm afraid we'll have tons of collision problems with lots of people working on the same documents at the same time. And a lot of people are going to try to copy-and-past things the lazy way, without taking the time to fix links, etc. I agree that this should be a community effort, but I think we have to resolve those issues first. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::I know you guys know I'm against opening it up. We don't even have any of our help page written yet. Or have the copyrights worked out: we have one place that says GNU and one place that says CC. And Jones is right about that page load. and the everyone doing everything at once thing. Just some more stuff to think about.
::As to the problem Joey's dealing with: our not giving everyone the freedom to edit... I think that would create more problems. Joey's right, giving everyone editing rights makes the wiki better, but that happens over a longer period of time. Right now we have to think on the short term. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::I agree with the Tom and Jones. This place is still a wiki, people will still be able to edit it when it opens up. Lettin' everyone on right now, even to help, would be kinda like lettin' a bunch of kids into an amusement park before it's finished and saying "You have to help us finish, though." There. My two cents. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 08:34, 31 Aug 2004 (MST)

== CSS Tweaks ==
Joey, could you increase the paragraph (P tags) spacing in the CSS? It's a little difficult to make out paragraph boundaries right now. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Working on it... --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Done. Sorry it took me so long. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Case issues ==
I just noticed something that might be an issue. Since we made case matter (for the emails), we now have the issue of [[Ballad of the Sneak]] and [[Ballad of The Sneak]] (and every other case variation) being two completely distinct pages. Is this going to be a problem? -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:39, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:This is already a problem on Wikipedia for any word after the first word. For instance, try looking up "George bush". We'll (and when I say we, I'm talking about the whole community, not just us admins) just have to pay close attention and create redirects where necessary -- at least until all the links can be fixed. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:56, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Okay, "George bush" is a bad example because there's already a redirect. Try "Greek orthodox". --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:57, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, no probalo. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]

::::Yeah, we have this issue with [[The Paper]] and [[The paper]]. I think Joey did the redirect for that. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Flash file links ==
Okay, so this has kinda been buggin' me for a while. Whoever first called it "watch this video in fullscreen" obviously had no idea they were linking to the actual raw flash file. Since then, we've continued to call it "watch this video in fullscreen". Can we change it to "download the flash file of this video", or something more meaningful? What do you think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:34, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Hm, I guess you're right. Though I wish you'd mentioned it before I did all the toons. :D Anyway, "download" isn't quite the right term, since it'll just play in most people's browsers. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:52, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. It downloads in Firefox, but I guess that's probably a preference setting. "view the flash file"? "watch the flash file"? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::"view the Flash file" seems good to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 11:32, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::We could use a template, like: <nowiki>[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail50.swf Download the Flash file] {{swf}}</nowiki>, and the <nowiki>{{swf}}</nowiki> prints a small boilerplate saying it may download the Flash file or it may instead view it in "fullscreen". - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 13:48, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Convertulator suggestions ==

StrongBadEmail should be automagically changed to [[Strong Bad Email]]. Anyplace where StrongBadEmail/ appears, it should be removed, so [[StrongBadEmail/flashback]] automagically becomes [[flashback]]. Only problem would be links like this: [[StrongBadEmail/flashback|flashback]]. They would turn out like this: [[flashback|flashback]], which I suppose isn't a big deal, but it's unnecessary bloat. We'll just have to watch for those. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:39, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've implemented your suggestions. However, I did find one small bug. If you have a (()) Wiki link that itself is in parentheses, e.g. "(((Some Page)) here)", the Convertulator will convert the first pair of parentheses, yielding <nowiki>[[(Some Page]] here)</nowiki>. There's no easy fix for this, so unfortunately we'll just have to just be on the lookout for it. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 14:17, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Characters featured ==

While adding Filmography categories, I noticed something. The featured characters lists don't seem to be in any particular order. I've been alphabetizing for the filmography categories, but I think the "Featured:" list should be in order of appearance. Maybe it should say...

'''Cast (in order of appearance): [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]], [[Homsar]]'''

What do you guys think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:53, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've always tried to do them in order of appearance. Seems like a good standard to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:54, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Navigation links on left ==

Two, maybe three of the nav links on the left have odd tooltips.

*'''Main Page''' - Visit the main page [alt-z]
**This is fine.
*'''Strong Bad Email''' - About the project, what you can do, where to find things
**Obviously this isn't what it is at all.
*'''H*R.com updates''' - Find background information on current events
**And nor is this ''really''.
*'''Recent changes''' - The list of recent changes in the wiki. [alt-r]
**Also fine.
*'''Random page''' - Load a random page. [alt-x]
**Also fine.
*'''Help''' - The place to find out.
**Slightly odd?

Also, we probably ought to have shortcuts for everything or nothing.

:Very good catch. I didn't even notice that the alt text was still set for the default links that used to be there. We also need to get the external links to the WikiForum and the WikiChat there as well. Thanks for the heads up, "84.9.23.83". -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:34, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

:You're welcome! I've got myself a proper account now. - [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 11:00, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Inside jokes ==

Why are [[Inside Jokes]] classified as "wiki stuff"? They are part of the content of H*R, and do not refer to the workings of the wiki. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 00:31, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I guess Rejects are in that same catagory. Plus things like the glossary just kind of float somewhere in between. I think some reformatting of the section definitions are in order, as long as the Main Page is recieving an overhaul. Any additional design suggestions? -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:35, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I was just doing some more thinking, and what about having the Knowledge Base contain ONLY the things listed on the H*R main page(s), and put everything left over into Wiki Stuff. Basically it would look something like this, and would have the added bonus of evening the two sections out, leaving External Links on the bottom...

* [[Toons]]
** [[Strong Bad Email]]
** [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]
** [[Teen Girl Squad]]
** [[Powered By The Cheat]]
** [[Puppet Stuff]]
** [[Holiday Toons]]
* [[Games]]
* [[Characters]]
* [[Downloads]]
* [[Store]]
* [[Email]]
* [[Legal]]
* [[Main Pages]]
** [[Weekly Fanstuff]]
** [[Quote of the Week]]
** [[Sketchbook]]
* [[Museum]]
* [[Secret Pages]]

Then this to the right of it: (Perhaps the first part in an additional section)

* [[Places]]
* [[Items]]
* [[Songs]]
* [[Quotes]]
* [[Glossary]]
* [[Inside Jokes]]
(Perhaps another section here?)
* [[Special:Listusers|List of registered wiki users]]
* [[Links]]
* [[Sightings]]
* [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]]
* [[HRWiki:Ledger|Ledger]]
* [[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]]
* [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]
* [[WikiTroll]]
* [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]]

Then the external links in another catergory. Does anyone like this idea? I think it draws a clearer distinction between things organized by the site, and additional Knowledge sorted by the Wiki. I think a clearer illustration would be that the Knowlege base is simply the 10 vegetables, and the Wiki Stuff is all the different salads they can be made into. Does anyone understand this very abstract illustration? As of now there is no clear line drawn, and many pages float in between. At the very least pages like [[Inside Jokes]] and [[Songs]] seem to be in the same catergory and in my opinion should be sorted accordingly. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:48, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

The Wiki Stuff should be for all the internal housekeeping pages like help pages, list of Trolls, ongoing projects and the like. The material that branches out from the core H*R content like [[Sightings]] can be grouped together, but they are not Wiki specific things. -[[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 12:44, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Then what about renaming the section, or even adding a seperate section? Perhaps name that one something like... 'Base Knowledge', and the other one like 'Secondary Knowledge', or something like that. Then have Wiki Troll, Ledger, Ect. under 'Wiki Stuff'. Or move EVERYTHING H*R related to Knowlege base, including Inside Jokes, ect, but that would make the menu look very offset... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 12:58, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Does anybody have an opinion about my idea? I think it's a good layout... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 22:56, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

== New Format = <strike>Banners</strike>? ==

I like the new format, it does make the title screen smaller, and more... colorful, I guess, but what happened to those cool banners? Any way to incorporate them into the design at the tops of the boxes? They really gave the main page a distinct look, and I would like to see them live again. If they don't fit, could whoever made them maybe remake one or two for a custom fit? I dunno, just a suggestion. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:28, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also as long as we're on the topic of the new format, what about moving the External Links to below the Wiki Stuff section? There's alot of unused space there. Might even get the page to one screen, without scrolling. Plus should anyone put the explanations of the links back? There seems to be a lack of explanations, only half the links have them. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:32, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Ah ha. I uploaded the banners to [[:Image:officialsite-banner.png]], [[:Image:wikipages-banner.png]], and [[:Image:externallinks-banner.png]]. I'm hoping that someone will come up with something similar that will work with this format. I'm thinking the width should be limited to around 100px.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:16, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I don't see what was wrong with a lil' scrolling. I'm taking this very harshly. It was my only reminder of the old wiki. --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 14:08, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:It reminds me a lot of Wikipedia. Maybe to much. I'm thinkin' we need something to "liven" the page up a bit, maybe like an official "Homestar Runner Wiki" banner across the top of the page. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

== Other New Format comments ==

Oh, gosh, I looked at the new format and I almost lost my lunch. It's so ugly! I really think the old banners should be back! Is there a way we can get them back?

[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 17:04, 17 Nov 2004

I agree, the Banners are needed. Any way to put them along the tops of the colored boxes, even custom stretching them to fit? I think that would look rather good. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 16:33, 17 Nov 2004 (

:It's not that big of a deal. If you puked over this, I'd hate to ride a Tilt-A-Whirl with you. Get over it. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::I'm starting to notice a pattern of people percieving improvements as being evil here, first with the switchover from Tavi to this, then the reformatting of the front page. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 02:53, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::If there's one thing that never changes, it's that people are afraid of change, no matter how much it improves their lives. Never try to give your grandma a new TV. Anyway, the banners aren't gone for good. The ones we were using just don't fit in the new layout. And just so we're clear: messing about with the front page just because you "liked it better before" is trolling and will be handled as such. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

::uh, how does this change improve my life? I guess the layout is more functional, but as for improvement, I don't think it really adds anything to the site.

::: I agree. It looks more crowded and ugly. Needs more color, like the homestar runner website. Keeping the new layout is fine, we just need smaller banners. (Btw, why is keeping the old layout trolling, yet putting up a worse layout not? I agree with your point, I just find that statement a very harsh thing that goes agenst the wiki spirit.) Also, this layout looks like crap at 800x600 --[[User:James|James]] 13:52, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)
::::The reason reverting to the old layout is trolling is quite simple: Tom (one of the mods) is the one that did the redesign, and since the mods have the most say in how the Wiki is set up, they have authority. Changing it back because you don't like this new version, therefore, is showing contempt for the mods and so on and so forth. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 14:58, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::::What about coming up with a better design that everyone likes? Is this ok? --[[User:James|James]] 18:22, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::Can't we settle this with a vote? --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 18:17, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::I don't know. Whichever wins, a whole mess of people would be mad. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::Afraid of change, no. Liked the banners, yes. :( --[[User:Southpaw018|Southpaw018]] 21:47, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::The banners were awesome and the new design is awful. I downloaded the banners (thanks Tom) and I am willing to make new ones (that's part of what I do for a living). I will make a couple and see what everyone thinks.-[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]

::I'll help if you need it. I made the origenal banners that started this whole thing off anyway. :-) --[[User:James|James]] 14:46, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::DONE! Here is one --> [[:Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]. I kept the theme of the old banners. If there are any changes you would like to see, tell me. Let me know if you want to use these and I will make the other two.-[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]

:::Thats a little small, ain't it? what about something 200 pixels wide? --[[User:James|James]] 18:33, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::[[Image:knowledgebase-banner-200px.png]] {200 x 50 px} [[Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]{100 x 50 px} -[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]
:::: That looks great! Could you make the other two sctions also? The "External Links" one might have to be larger, as that section goes all the way across the bottom of the page. --[[User:James|James]] 12:47, 23 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::: I will go ahead and do the other two soon. I am going to do them all the same size and then we can decide if the one needs to be bigger and exactly how much bigger.[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]] 20:20, 23 Nov 2004 (MST)

::::Nevermind...External links has been moved.[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]] 09:17, 24 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also, it is really annoying that the "knowledge base" frame is about 10% bigger than the "Wiki Stuff" frame. Why is this?-[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]

::Yes! I've been noticing this and it's driving me up the wall. If anything, the "Wiki stuff" frame should be bigger simply because there is more text that wraps on it. Having it smaller then "Knowledge base" is retarded, mostly since the "Knowledge base" frame has very little text that extends all the way to the border. --[[User:James|James]] 18:21, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

I just did a quick preview of the main page with equal frames and it looks so much better then when it's 10% off. Theres absolutely no reason I see for the 10% diffrence. Or is there something I'm missing? --[[User:James|James]] 18:26, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::Hi James. I'm glad you are thinking of changes for the Main Page. However, I'd like to ask that you refrain from using words such as "retarded" as this can be offensive to developmentally disabled people.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:04, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::::Ok. Sorry. --[[User:James|James]] 17:09, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::::ARGH! I just started this thread to comment, not to have a "This is better, shut up this is better" argument. I was figuratively saying that I almost lost my lunch. I don't really give a care if we go back to the banners and just keep our look. I was just offering an opinion. --[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 13:29, 24 Nov 2004 (CST)

== New Banners ==

I'm happy to see that [[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]] has created some proposals for new banners. I'm sure as many of you have already done, I've tried them on the page in a quick "preview". (Please note that they most likely will be contained in code like ''<nowiki><div style="float:right;margin-left:1em;width:100px">[[Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]</div></nowiki>'' so that they will float to the appropriate area in the section.) While they do add somewhat to the page, I think they could be improved upon. While a small width must be maintained, I don't think it would create a problem if the image had a greater height. If anyone cares to propose more images, just add them to the discussion here.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:40, 26 Nov 2004 (MST)

== The Character Silhouettes ==

I think Joey Day has the solution for us, looking at the main page now. Skipping the whole banners or no argument and doing something that integrates itself perfectly into the new design? Very very nice. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 14:06, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

:I love those, but perhaps resize one to be the same general dimensions as the other? It bothers me slightly. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 14:43, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

::Hm. I actually shrunk Strong Bad a bit because I thought he looked too big compared to Homestar. Now that I've watched a few toons I've realized Strond Bad just has a really big head. I'm not at home now or I would redo the image right now. I'll try to do it later tonight. [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] —[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 16:09, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

:One other small adjustment: I think the characters could stand to be just a little darker; I can hardly see them on my laptop unless I move my screen to just the right angle. Otherwise, it looks really good. Nice job, JoeyDay. --[[User:oddtodd|oddtodd]] 14:41, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

== Enhancement/Modification of Logo==

Props to the individual who tweaked the wiki's main logo image that appears in the upper left-hand corner. It certainly says something about our wiki - I love the polished look and it really is a marked improvement. --[[User:The Paper|The Paper]] 15:02, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

:Thanks. I've been meaning to modify it for some time now. The text was way too small before. Did you also notice I swapped out the default mediawiki background for a more better homestar styled background? You can see it best on a short page like [[Labor Day|this one]]. [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] —[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 22:41, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

::Now that's really cool. I like both the new logo and the new background. --[[User:oddtodd|oddtodd]] 20:28, 2 Dec 2004 (MST)
::Yeah, I like the new background and logo. You may as well call it Mono[[The Field|TheField]]. [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]-<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|?</tt>]] 20:37, 22 Dec 2004 (MST)

:: Good call on the background. I never noticed. But yea, now I notice a lack of lines along the top. You've really done a good job of personalizing the Wiki. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'']] 12:47, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)

== Hello ==

What is a wiki, this is crazy, can someone like tell me what to do, i look at HR weekly, anyone got any new updates

:One thing is we use correct grammar. Which includes correct capitolization and punctuation. To find out about this "crazy place", read up at the [[HRWiki:About]] page, or ask up any questions in the [[Help:Contents|Help Desk]]. (Oh, and for updates, there's a little thing called [http://www.homestarrunner.com homestarrunner.com] where there's this thing in the corner. It usually has updates, if I'm not mistaking. :) ) But anyways, a wiki is very easy to use if you know how, which you will learn at the [[HRWiki:About]] page. Trust me. You'll love it here if you decide to stick around.?''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

== Gr8 Job! ==

You guys do a great job at keeping troublemakers from ruining this site.

If someone would have asked me about the concept of Wiki before I saw it in action, I probably would have been very skeptical that trasher control would be effective.

Boy was I wrong.

Thanks FortyTwo and all you great detrollers out there!

:Wow, A shoutout! *sniff* I'm touched... Thanks! --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 19:53, 28 Dec 2004 (MST)

mile

Firefoxman — Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:18:07 GMT

Firefoxman: /* DVD Version */

[[Image:sbemail87.PNG|thumb|"I (heart) that Cheat"]]

'''Strong Bad Email #87'''

Strong Bad decided not to do an email this week, so we get a lovely flash movie from The Cheat. The movie features Strong Bad answering an email from Seb in The Lodge, MN. Since The Cheat made the movie, you can bet he's going to make sure we all know how cool he is.

Seb asks if Strong Bad can run a mile. Strong Bad answers by doing cartwheels for a mile (encountering various obstacles along the way).

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]], [[The Cheat]], [[Bubs]], [[Homestar Runner]], [[Marzipan]], [[Coach Z]], [[The Poopsmith]]

'''Date:''' October 13, 2003

'''Running Time:''' 2:25

== Transcript ==
''{The computer room is empty. After a second, we see Strong Bad walk on-screen}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' And I pretend that it's made of money--

''{stops singing, notices camera}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{addressing viewer}'' Er..Oh! Um... Look, uh, I'm not doin' one this week. Yeah... not doin' one. So... bye!

''{Strong Bad walks out of the room}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing again}'' And I pretend that it's made of money...

''{The Cheat enters and looks at the computer, then looks around for anyone. He then grins at the camera fiendishly. A new Flash cartoon begins. The cartoon is apparently made by The Cheat, as evidenced by the horrible graphic quality.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' Eeeeeeeeeemail. Ooh, ah, email, ooh, ah --

''{reading}''

<pre>Dear Strong Bad,

Can you run a mile.

-Seb
The Lodge, MN</pre>

'''STRONG BAD''' ''{typing}'': You'd better believe it, Seb, I can ride I can do cartwheels for a mile. Ready and one and set and go!

''{Strong Bad cartwheels away from his desk. Cut to a shot of him cartwheeling through the TV room from left to right.}''

'''TV ANNOUNCER:''' TV show featuring The Cheat in a Trans Am.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Here I go.

''{The scene cuts to a lot with a bunch of buses that say Sköl}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Here I go again on my own.

''{Strong Bad uses a ramp to jump over the buses. Bubs appears from behind a fence. He appears to have no lower body}''

'''BUBS:''' Hey Strong Bad, you jumped over some of my buses!

''{"A new record!! 19 buses!!" appears in the air and we hear crowd noises. Cut to Marzipan standing in the field}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' Keep it up, Strong Bad. Keep up the pace!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Thanks for cheering me on.

''{Scene cuts to a brick wall, standing in the middle of a field}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Half way to go. I have to break through this brick wall.

''{Strong Bad rolls forward and the wall doesn't give him any resistance. The bricks fall down and spell "HI". Cut to Homestar in the field holding a sign that says "I love cooties"}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER''': Kick it out, b-hand.

''{Strong Bad stretches out his leg and trips Homestar. Cut to Strong Bad finishing his mile on an athletic track, with flashbulbs everywhere. It then cuts to Homestar, Marzipan, and Coach Z waiting for Strong Bad. Coach Z is pink}''

'''COACH Z:''' Mr. Strong Bad, you won the mile, how did what's your secret?

'''STRONG BAD:''' The Cheat.

''{The Cheat parachutes in from the top of the frame, wearing a light blue tuxedo and sunglasses and holding a glass of champagne. Money is stuffed into his tuxedo pocket. He lands on the ground and raises up his glass. A thought bubble appears above Marzipan's head reading "i (heart) that cheat."}''

'''EVERYBODY:''' The Cheat is a millionaire! A parade for The Cheat!

''{A parade goes by, featuring a The Cheat float that says "Dunkin' the Ch8t", a The Cheat hot air balloon, fireworks, and The Poopsmith pushing a broom at the end, then the scene cuts back to Strong Bad's computer.}''

'''STRONG BAD''' ''{typing}'': So yes, Jimmy-Jimmy, there have been parades honoring The Cheat, but don't let that from stopping you from organizing your own. He can be the Grand... Marshall. He's also available for proms and pizza parties.
''{Strong Bad actually types: So yes, Jimmy-Jimmy, there have been p's h-ing the C. B. d. l. t. f. s. y. f. o. y. o. He can be the Grand Marshall. He's a-so available for proms and pizza parties.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' So, okay folks, I gotta go to my next show. See you later night-time!

''{At the end, a Cheated-up version of [[The Paper]] comes down with a sound effect that just sounds like some guy going "'''K'''errrriorrrr..."}''

== Easter Eggs ==
*Before The Cheat shows up, the diskette says "One on One". Within The Cheat's cartoon but before Strong Bad starts cartwheeling, you can click on it to see that it says "Out of this world". After Strong Bad gets back, you can click on it again to show "NITEMARE 3D".

*At the end of the email, click "proms" to see a polaroid of The Cheat with a sillouhette labelled "Your bod here" and a note scrawled at the bottom: "A Knight to Remember, June 3rd 2004."
**It had been rumored that was "scheduled for further release", meaning they might have made a cartoon about it. Unfortunately, the day passed without any update on H*R.com. Nevertheless, two days following, the Strong Bad Email [[cheatday]] was released.

*Also at the end, click "pizza parties" to see a logo for "Cheatsa Parties," featuring The Cheat taking a bite out of a large pizza.

*Press 'O' on your keyboard at the end to see a silhouette of Strong Bad doing cartwheels over a bunch of hills with a song playing in the background. [[The Brothers Chaps]] are making fun of [[Old Intro 2]] here.

== Fun Facts ==
===Explanations===
*Strong Bad cartwheeling the mile (as opposed to just running it) was probably done so that The Cheat wouldn't have to animate anything, instead just rotating Strong Bad's standing frame a few hundred times.

===Trivia===
*When The Cheat shows up (after Strong Bad wins the mile) Marzipan has a thought bubble saying "I ♥ ''that'' Cheat." This is one of the few times that The Cheat is not referred to with a "The" preceeding his name.
*The buses Strong Bad cartwheeled over each said the dictionary pronunciation of "School". ("sköl" with an umlaut over the "O").
*Strong Bad cartwheels 65 times, 55 without the easter egg.
*This is the one and only e-mail that Matt and Mike completely made up - there is nobody named Seb that asked Strong Bad if he could run a mile.
*At the very end of the email, there is a short animation of a headless Homestar doing the dance from [[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]]. You can access it with a [http://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/flash.html seek bar].

===Remarks===
*The way "cheat" is spelled on the "Dunkin' the Ch8t" float would actually be pronounced 'chaitt'.

===Glitches===
*In the shot in which Strong Bad first takes off, the animation layer containing the floppy disk on the desk is positioned above the layer which contains Strong Bad. Therefore, although the disk is lying on the desk, it is in front of Strong Bad when he rolls by. Of course, this may have been purposefully done in order to reiterate the Cheat's animation ineptitude.
*When Coach Z says "what's your secret?" his head pops off a little bit.
*You can click on the word "proms" through the Cheatsa Parties logo.

===Real-World References===
*When the parade happens and The Poopsmith shows up behind it, it is a subtle reference to a segment of "Rocky and Bullwinkle" called "Peabody's Improbable History", where there were parades honoring Peabody with only one janitor cleaning up after it.
*Strong Bad says "Here I go Again on my Own" before going on the ramp over Bubs' 19 buses. "Here I Go Again" was an 80's rock song by Whitesnake, the first line of the chorus of which is "Here I Go Again On My Own".
*After the parade, there are six fireworks in the sky, similar in sound and appearance to the ones that appear after completing a level by collecting a flag in the original Super Mario Bros. game for the NES.
*"Seb" may be a reference to the British athlete, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Coe Sebastian "Seb" Coe], a mid-distance runner who once held the world record in the mile. Seb was also the name of the Egyptian god of fertility.
*The line "A TV show featuring The Cheat in a Trans Am" almost certainly refers to the TV series "Knight Rider."
*When The Cheat parachutes in after Strong Bad has won the mile he is wearing a Gucci parachute.
*The "song" being played during the parade is from Super Mario Bros. 3 for the NES, played during the levels on airships.
*The "Dunkin' the Ch8t" float is most likely a reference to the science toy, the [http://science.howstuffworks.com/question608.htm Drinking Bird].
*"You just jumped over some of my buses" is believed to be a reference to the popular 1975 arcade game, Stunt Cycle, where your objective was to earn points by jumping over school buses.

== DVD Version ==
*For whatever reason, there is no option to use the angle button, and therefore the Floppy Disk Easter Eggs have been disabled. This is one of the only emails on the set that does not have the angle option available when it should be.
*The hills Easter Egg is now accessable like a normal Easter Egg.
*The DVD version features hidden creator's commentary. To acccess it, switch your DVD player's audio language selection while watching.
===Commentary Transcript===
''{Commentary by [[Mike Chapman]], [[Matt Chapman]]}''

'''MATT:''' I like that song, I like to hear that whole song.

'''MIKE:''' I wonder what he's pretending is made of money.

'''MATT:''' I know, maybe that's just the chorus, and goes through a bunch of different things.

'''MIKE:''' Kinda like a

'''MATT:''' can of beans. Pretend that it's made of money! Unh! A guitar! Unh! Unh! And I pretend that it's made of money!

'''MIKE:''' That's... a good song.

'''MATT:''' That's clearly not how he's singing it, but maybe...

'''MIKE:''' Look, One-On-One. The original One-on-One was, of course, uh, Doctor Jay and Larry Bird. Great game!

'''MATT:''' Great game! So here's The Cheat, his big de-butt. Well, I guess in [[crazy cartoon]], he does it.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, or something. Compa!

'''MATT:''' This is one of the only made-up Strong Bad emails, right?

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, we made that up. The only one.

'''MATT:''' Yeah. We figured that The Cheat's doing it, so he's not gonna care about that sort of stuff.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah.

''{pause}''

'''MIKE:''' The vocal work on this, uh, particular episode is fantastic.

'''MATT:''' Oh, really, Mike?

'''MIKE:''' You did a great job on this one, Matt!

'''MATT:''' Oh. Um, you did the voices

'''MIKE:''' Oh, wait, ''I'' did the voices. Okay, listen to my Bubs impression, which is pretty much my Fat Albert Impression. ''{Imitating Powered by The Cheat Bubs}'' Hey, Hey, Rudy!

'''MATT:''' That's a good one. That Marzipan is... horrifying. I like her teeth.

''{Mike Laughs}''

'''MIKE:''' I remember... um... what's that, Matt?

'''MATT:''' Dan from Carmel, Indiana really loved that one, I remember. I remember in band, we talked to him a lot.

'''MIKE:''' Oh.

'''MATT:''' Uh, B-Hand was a guy that ran with our older brother, Donny, at track. I remember my Mom always yelling, "Kick it out, B-Hand!"

'''MIKE:''' I like the, uh, The Cheat's parachute.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, it's amazing. And he's just got some loose cash.

''{Mike and Matt laugh}''

'''MIKE:''' Dunkin' The Cheat!

'''MATT:''' DunkinTheCh8t is somebody's screename on one of the Homestar Runner message forums I saw

'''MIKE:''' Oh, really? This is my favorite part right here. Here it comes... here comes The Poopsmith, cleanin' up! Weet! Weet! Weet! Just like that little guy at the end of Rocky and Bullwinkle. Or that guy inbetween the commercials of the Carol Brunette Shows. Or the bloopers and outtakes.

''{Mike and Matt start singing a song}''

'''MATT:''' I like that.

'''MIKE:''' He just start using punctuations

'''MATT:''' Abbreviations.

'''MIKE:''' Abbreviations. Also, it's the best because that's actually longer than if he just used an "l".

'''MATT:''' Yeah. That's a reference to

'''MIKE:''' Andy Cooper

'''MATT:''' Guitar lessons with Andy Cooper.

'''MIKE:''' Tap that?

'''MATT:''' Looks good.

'''MIKE:''' Mm-hmm.

'''MATT:''' Tapping on the G-Chord, B-Minor.

== External Links ==
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail87.html watch "mile"]
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail87.swf view the flash file for "mile"]

{{Strong Bad Email}}
[[Category:Powered by The Cheat]][[Category:Strong Bad Filmography]][[Category:The Cheat Filmography]][[Category:Bubs Filmography]][[Category:Homestar Runner Filmography]][[Category:Marzipan Filmography]][[Category:Coach Z Filmography]][[Category:The Poopsmith Filmography]] [[Category:Compy 386 Emails]]

rock opera

Firefoxman — Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:08:28 GMT

Firefoxman: /* Easter Eggs */

[[Image:sbemail_opera.png|thumb|SBEMAIL: The Musical]]

'''Strong Bad Email #125'''

Strong Bad sings his rock opera 'SBEMAIL!'.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]], [[Little Strong Bad]], [[Anonymous]], [[Tompkins]], [[Strong Sad]], [[The Cheat]], [[Coach Z]], [[Homestar Runner]], [[Marzipan]], [[Grape Nuts Robot]], [[Baby Styles]], [[Vector Strong Bad]], [[The Poopsmith]], [[Bubs]], [[Strong Mad]], [[Homsar]], [[King of Town]], [[Pom Pom]], [[Dangeresque (character)|Dangeresque]] (easter egg)

'''Date:''' February 22, 2005

'''Running Time:''' 3:21

== Transcript ==
'''STRONG BAD:''' Checkin' email and take it to the flipside! !edispilf eht ot ti ekat dna liame 'nikcehC

<pre>
subject: rock opera

Strong Bad,
I think it's high time you composed a rock opera. You
simply owe it to society. What should it be about?
That's up to you.
Best Wishes,
Anonymous Contributor
Gambier, OH
</pre>

''{Strong Bad pronounces "Contributor" as "ContribuTOR" and "OH" as "hhhough"}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ugh, poor guy. ''{typing}'' Hey! Mr. and Mrs. Contributor, way to name your kid! I can only imagine the taunts and jabs the kids on the playground musta come up with.

''{A piece of notebook paper appears onscreen with Teen Girl Squad-esque drawings on it. On it are drawings of a swingset, Strong Bad, and Anonymous, who looks suspiciously like Strong Sad with a question mark for a face. Anonymous is kicking a soccerball}''

'''NOTEBOOK STRONG BAD:''' Hey Anonymous! Why don't ya, um, write a poem or something and not attribute it to yourself!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Or like...

''{The paper switches out. This one features Anonymous with his hands glued to his butt, Strong Bad, and Tompkins}''

'''NOTEBOOK STRONG BAD:''' Yo Anonny! Maybe try calling the cops and giving them some valuable information to help solve a crime without revealing your own identityyyy!

''{The paper disappears offscreen}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Oh. Kids can be so cruel. ''{clears screen, resumes typing}'' OK, back on task. To tell you the truth, you guys have already heard mosta my rock opera. I've been composing it over the last three and a half years. It's simply entitled "SBEMAIL!" ''{A poster for SBEMAIL! appears onscreen}'' And the lyrics consist of one word from each of my 125 emails! ''{The poster disappears}'' Now, it may not make a whole lotta sense but when have I ever backed down from a bad idea, right? Now let's get this train-wreck a-rollin'!

''{Cut to some curtains, which open, beginning the opera}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
Join me on my single—

'''STRONG SAD:''' 
hundred—

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
toilet dreams picture. 
Everybody wanna scam some sweet bucks or potential—

'''LITTLE STRONG BAD:''' 
pizza. 

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
Oh! Oh! Ummm. Nevermind. 
Ummm... double—

'''COACH Z:''' 
pants.

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
Awesome, awesome fancy danish. 
Professional funky totally diggity-underdrawers. 
Oh tonight,—

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' 
cool,—

'''MARZIPAN:''' 
healthy,—

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
ones, eh? 
Whatever action baby actually went jibblie. 
Oooh! Oh. Party like completely great, good. 
Down town ladies get consummate—

'''MARZIPAN:''' 
yeah.

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
Awkward sweet peaches crackin' action! 
Wha-Ho! Problematic. 
Solid jumble!

'''GRAPE NUTS ROBOT:''' 
Crazy—

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
beans double the real gold! 
Computer—

'''STRONG SAD:''' 
internet—

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
bulging—

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' 
out.

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
Yeah, oh! 
Dynomite afterparty! 
Like, fangoriously world-class and—

'''POWERED-BY-THE-CHEAT STRONG BAD:''' 
grand.

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
Ooooh! Oh!

'''STRONG SAD:''' 
Ewww!

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
Oh-ho-ho-ho! Definitely, definitely—

'''VECTOR STRONG BAD:''' 
baby.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' 
Yup,—

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
I totally—

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' 
always—

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
look awesome singing backwards metal. 
Experience dance tonight! Unh! 
Oooh! I'm pleasant. 
Positate without pizzaz and—

'''STINKOMAN:''' 
jam!!

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
Whoa! 
Tonight equals dancing,

'''CANNED AUDIENCE:''' 
yeah!

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
Famous—

'''FEMALE LAPPY:''' 
ladies—

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
always like—

'''ALL:''' 
SBEMAIL!

''{The screen fades to black and the SBEMAIL! poster slides down from the top of the screen. Cut to the Lappy. Strong Bad is clapping and making crowd noises with his mouth while roses are being thrown on him from off camera}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Bravo! Encore! Encore! Ándale! Ándale! Arriba! Arriba! ''{typing}'' Thank you! Thank you! The rave reviews are already pouring in! It's only a matter of time before the chicks ''{due to the keyboard getting covered in roses, this is typed as "It's only a msyyer pd tun/ blegfr teh chekts"}'' -uh.

''{The camera pulls out, and we see The Cheat on the computer desk holding a rose}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' The Cheat... ixnay on the cut-it-out-throwing-roses-at-me! ...may.

'''THE CHEAT:''' Meh!

''{The Cheat throws his rose at Strong Bad's face and it sticks there}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Augh! ''{clutches his face, starts flailing his limbs wildly}'' Rose face! ROSE FACE!!! ''{falls off his stool}''

''{Cut back to the Lappy, where [[The Paper]] comes down}''

== Easter Eggs ==

* Click ''rave reviews'' to see some reviews of Sbemail:
**"SBEMAIL! Is a Triumph of Some Sort!!!" "It will leave you you wanting MORE, MORE, MORE!" -(Perhaps)The Deke
**"A million stars!!!" -Age 7
**"SBEMAIL! is better than a goat!!" - The biscuitdoughhandsman Review

* Click ''Pouring in'' to see a poster for SBEMAIL!
:"an off13 broadway rock opera from the man who brought you 'dangeresque: put em on ice!'"
*While on the poster, click '[[Dangeresque]]: put em on ice' to see a clip of Dangeresque: Put 'Em On Ice!
::''{Cut to somewhere in The Field in winter, with a small ice pond in the foreground. Strong Bad (as Dangeresque) skates in from the right}''
::'''DANGERESQUE:''' So I'm gonna have to jum-
::''{Dangeresque falls through the ice.}''
::'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{offscreen}'' Meh! ''{throws a rose onto the ice}''
* Click the invisible ''Encore'' on the bottom-right of the [[Lappy 486|Lappy]] screen to see the rock opera again.
* If you are viewing the SWF file, fast forward a couple of times. This will show an extra scene of Strong Bad skateing

== Fun Facts ==
=== Trivia ===
* This is the first time where we see Strong Bad's whole body walking by a straight-on view.
* This is the first email where all twelve main characters appear in person. (The Poopsmith and Pom-Pom were only on playing cards in [[your friends]] and [[different town]], respectively.)
* Each quote is truly taken from each email, in order. The first word is from [[some kinda robot]], the second from [[homsar]], and so forth.
* Strong Bad ''did'' back down from a bad idea in [[other days]], when he decided not to speak the entire email as a robot.

=== Remarks ===
*The email rap and the flipside version are clips of Strong Bad saying the same thing, but they are different versions of it. If you reverse the clip, the most obvious difference is that the flipside version doesn't have a pause after the word "email."
* The Poopsmith, Bubs and Pom Pom all remain motionless when the cast yells "SBEMAIL!", though it may be that the Poopsmith is silent on purpose, courtesy of his vow of silence.

=== Goofs ===
* You can still click the contrast buttons on the [[Tandy 400|Tandy]] while the opera is playing, although it doesn't actually affect the contrast of the screen.
* When roses are being thrown with the Lappy in the background, you can't see the reflection of the roses on the Lappy screen.
* When the cast yells "SBEMAIL!" Strong Mad's mouth appears on Homsar's torso for a few seconds.
* Though not noticeable without zooming in, once everyone has finished yelling "SBEMAIL!", Homsar's lip comes between Homestar's torso and his head; more specifically, in front of the head, and behind the torso.
*When Strong Bad walks, one of the signs says "No for Rent," instead of "Not for Rent".
*In [[trevor the vampire]], when Strong Bad goes up to the screen and says "Hi everybody", his eyes were given the newer style. However, in the opera, the same scene was shown, but his eyes were still the old style.
*When Strong Bad says the word 'bajibblie', the word displayed on the screen is just 'jibblie'.

=== Inside References ===
* The shoes that walk across the screen are the back button of the old main page.
**The shoes were also used as a back button in the first Homestar Runner game where you had to play the "She loves me/not" game. It also introduced Marzipan.
* On the second making-fun-of-Anonymous piece-of-paper, Anonymous has his hands glued to his butt, which also happened to Strong Sad in the e-mail [[1 step ahead]].
**Also, the drawing of Anonymous has two toenails, much like Strong Sad.
**Strong Sad also gave an "anonymous tip" in [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]].
* Also on the second piece-of-paper, Strong Bad's legs are positioned like those of [[Wrestleman]] from the [[Weekly Sketchbook]].
* The [[Teen Girl Squad]] character Tompkins can be found on the second making-fun-of-Anonymous piece-of-paper, in his miniaturized form from [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 7]].
* When Strong Bad's typing starts going awry as The Cheat is throwing roses at him, he types "the chicks" as "teh chekts", a reference to the immediately preceding Strong Bad E-mail [[secret recipes]].
**"Teh" might be a reference to [[cheatday]], in which The Cheat signs his name "Teh C."
**"Teh" is also a leetspeak word for "The".
* When Strong Bad appears to have two electric guitars sticking out of his head, it's a reference to the cover art for the CD [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits]].
* Strong Bad sitting in the chair swirling the wine in the cup is modeled after a similar scene from the Powered-by-the-Cheat music video [[Everybody to the Limit]].
**Strong Bad also swirls his wine in [[montage]].
**The background behind him in this scene is from [[dangeresque 3]].
* The action figures of Strong Sad and Strong Bad are from the Strong Bad Email [[action figure]].
* The pants Coach Z temporarily don seem to be modeled after [[Rather Dashing]]'s short pants.
* The background of the area with the pyramid of gold bars (pre-explosion) is taken directly from [[RhinoFeeder]].
* The "Goodtime Palace" is modeled after similar scenes from [[animal]] and even features [[Baby Styles]].
**Also, the normal "black frame" around the screen changes to the Cheat's poorly drawn frame from his "[[Powered by the Cheat]]" Cartoons.
* The picture of the "Hardest Guitar Chord Ever" comes from [[privileges]].
* The jogging pixellated Strong Bad is originally from [[montage]].
* [[Club Technochocolate]] is originally from [[extra plug]].
** But just the word "technochocolate" comes from [[monument]].
* The rock music which starts at Club Technochocolate is based on ''The Cheat Is Not Dead'' from [[caper]].
* [[The Stage|The stage]] the entire cast is grouped on at the end is the same stage from [[A Decemberween Pageant]], among other holiday toons.
* The "biscuitdoughhandsman review" in the Easter Egg is yet another reference to everyone's favorite unapprehended villain, [[Biscuit Dough Hands Man]].
* "[[The Deke]]" is originally from [[autobiography]].
* Strong Bad's dance move with Baby Styles is a reference to [[virus]] when he compliments Bubs for being a computer genius man.
* "Sbemail" is a reference to the filename of every Strong Bad e-mail. Strong Bad also refers to this in [[unused emails]]
*This isn't the first time Strong Bad has spoken backwards, he also does it on [[Strong Bad's Message Bored]].
* The guitars featured in the email are the same as in the easter egg in the email [[new hands]].

=== Real-World References ===
* Strong Bad's "Ándale! Ándale! Arriba! Arriba!" at the end is quoting the famous Warner Bros. cartoon mouse [[Wikipedia:Speedy Gonzales|Speedy Gonzales]].
* The electric guitars in the opera are (or are modeled after) Gibson Flying Vs.
* The amps are modeled after Marshall stacks, but instead of "Marshall," the logo reads "An Amp". These were also used in [[different town]], but labeled "Marzipan".
*Sbemail, in containing multiple sections of different styles, is remiscent of rock operettas, including The Who's "A Quick One, While He's Away" and (more famously) Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody" (which isn't a rock operetta/opera of any kind).
*Strong Bad's rap at the beginning of the e-mail may be a reference to Missy Elliott's "Work It," where she says "I put my thang down, flip it, and reverse it! Ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gnaht ym tup I!"
*Strong Bad walking towards the camera while neon signs fly by is also a commonly used movie cliche when the main-character gets overwhelmed by the nightlife of the city (most famously in the 1945 film ''[[Wikipedia:The Lost Weekend|The Lost Weekend]]'').



== See Also ==
*The [[Rock Opera Context|context]] for all of the words from rock opera

== External Links ==
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail125.html view "rock opera"] 
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail125.swf view the flash file for "rock opera"]
*[http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=2072 forum re: "rock opera"]

{{Strong Bad Email}}
[[Category: Lappy 486 Emails]] [[Category: Strong Bad Filmography]] [[Category: Tompkins Filmography]] [[Category: Stinkoman Filmography]] [[Category: Strong Sad Filmography]] [[Category: The Cheat Filmography]] [[Category: Coach Z Filmography]] [[Category: Homestar Runner Filmography]] [[Category: Marzipan Filmography]] [[Category: The Poopsmith Filmography]] [[Category: Bubs Filmography]] [[Category: Strong Mad Filmography]] [[Category: Homsar Filmography]] [[Category: The King of Town Filmography]] [[Category: Pom Pom Filmography]] [[Category: Dangeresque Filmography]] [[Category:Powered by The Cheat]]

rock opera

Firefoxman — Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:56:14 GMT

Firefoxman: /* Easter Eggs */

[[Image:sbemail_opera.png|thumb|SBEMAIL: The Musical]]

'''Strong Bad Email #125'''

Strong Bad sings his rock opera 'SBEMAIL!'.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]], [[Little Strong Bad]], [[Anonymous]], [[Tompkins]], [[Strong Sad]], [[The Cheat]], [[Coach Z]], [[Homestar Runner]], [[Marzipan]], [[Grape Nuts Robot]], [[Baby Styles]], [[Vector Strong Bad]], [[The Poopsmith]], [[Bubs]], [[Strong Mad]], [[Homsar]], [[King of Town]], [[Pom Pom]], [[Dangeresque (character)|Dangeresque]] (easter egg)

'''Date:''' February 22, 2005

'''Running Time:''' 3:21

== Transcript ==
'''STRONG BAD:''' Checkin' email and take it to the flipside! !edispilf eht ot ti ekat dna liame 'nikcehC

<pre>
subject: rock opera

Strong Bad,
I think it's high time you composed a rock opera. You
simply owe it to society. What should it be about?
That's up to you.
Best Wishes,
Anonymous Contributor
Gambier, OH
</pre>

''{Strong Bad pronounces "Contributor" as "ContribuTOR" and "OH" as "hhhough"}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ugh, poor guy. ''{typing}'' Hey! Mr. and Mrs. Contributor, way to name your kid! I can only imagine the taunts and jabs the kids on the playground musta come up with.

''{A piece of notebook paper appears onscreen with Teen Girl Squad-esque drawings on it. On it are drawings of a swingset, Strong Bad, and Anonymous, who looks suspiciously like Strong Sad with a question mark for a face. Anonymous is kicking a soccerball}''

'''NOTEBOOK STRONG BAD:''' Hey Anonymous! Why don't ya, um, write a poem or something and not attribute it to yourself!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Or like...

''{The paper switches out. This one features Anonymous with his hands glued to his butt, Strong Bad, and Tompkins}''

'''NOTEBOOK STRONG BAD:''' Yo Anonny! Maybe try calling the cops and giving them some valuable information to help solve a crime without revealing your own identityyyy!

''{The paper disappears offscreen}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Oh. Kids can be so cruel. ''{clears screen, resumes typing}'' OK, back on task. To tell you the truth, you guys have already heard mosta my rock opera. I've been composing it over the last three and a half years. It's simply entitled "SBEMAIL!" ''{A poster for SBEMAIL! appears onscreen}'' And the lyrics consist of one word from each of my 125 emails! ''{The poster disappears}'' Now, it may not make a whole lotta sense but when have I ever backed down from a bad idea, right? Now let's get this train-wreck a-rollin'!

''{Cut to some curtains, which open, beginning the opera}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
Join me on my single—

'''STRONG SAD:''' 
hundred—

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
toilet dreams picture. 
Everybody wanna scam some sweet bucks or potential—

'''LITTLE STRONG BAD:''' 
pizza. 

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
Oh! Oh! Ummm. Nevermind. 
Ummm... double—

'''COACH Z:''' 
pants.

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
Awesome, awesome fancy danish. 
Professional funky totally diggity-underdrawers. 
Oh tonight,—

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' 
cool,—

'''MARZIPAN:''' 
healthy,—

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
ones, eh? 
Whatever action baby actually went jibblie. 
Oooh! Oh. Party like completely great, good. 
Down town ladies get consummate—

'''MARZIPAN:''' 
yeah.

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
Awkward sweet peaches crackin' action! 
Wha-Ho! Problematic. 
Solid jumble!

'''GRAPE NUTS ROBOT:''' 
Crazy—

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
beans double the real gold! 
Computer—

'''STRONG SAD:''' 
internet—

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
bulging—

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' 
out.

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
Yeah, oh! 
Dynomite afterparty! 
Like, fangoriously world-class and—

'''POWERED-BY-THE-CHEAT STRONG BAD:''' 
grand.

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
Ooooh! Oh!

'''STRONG SAD:''' 
Ewww!

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
Oh-ho-ho-ho! Definitely, definitely—

'''VECTOR STRONG BAD:''' 
baby.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' 
Yup,—

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
I totally—

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' 
always—

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
look awesome singing backwards metal. 
Experience dance tonight! Unh! 
Oooh! I'm pleasant. 
Positate without pizzaz and—

'''STINKOMAN:''' 
jam!!

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
Whoa! 
Tonight equals dancing,

'''CANNED AUDIENCE:''' 
yeah!

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
Famous—

'''FEMALE LAPPY:''' 
ladies—

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
always like—

'''ALL:''' 
SBEMAIL!

''{The screen fades to black and the SBEMAIL! poster slides down from the top of the screen. Cut to the Lappy. Strong Bad is clapping and making crowd noises with his mouth while roses are being thrown on him from off camera}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Bravo! Encore! Encore! Ándale! Ándale! Arriba! Arriba! ''{typing}'' Thank you! Thank you! The rave reviews are already pouring in! It's only a matter of time before the chicks ''{due to the keyboard getting covered in roses, this is typed as "It's only a msyyer pd tun/ blegfr teh chekts"}'' -uh.

''{The camera pulls out, and we see The Cheat on the computer desk holding a rose}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' The Cheat... ixnay on the cut-it-out-throwing-roses-at-me! ...may.

'''THE CHEAT:''' Meh!

''{The Cheat throws his rose at Strong Bad's face and it sticks there}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Augh! ''{clutches his face, starts flailing his limbs wildly}'' Rose face! ROSE FACE!!! ''{falls off his stool}''

''{Cut back to the Lappy, where [[The Paper]] comes down}''

== Easter Eggs ==
* Click ''rave reviews'' to see some reviews of Sbemail:
**"SBEMAIL! Is a Triumph of Some Sort!!!" "It will leave you you wanting MORE, MORE, MORE!" -(Perhaps)The Deke
**"A million stars!!!" -Age 7
**"SBEMAIL! is better than a goat!!" - The biscuitdoughhandsman Review

* Click ''Pouring in'' to see a poster for SBEMAIL!
:"an off13 broadway rock opera from the man who brought you 'dangeresque: put em on ice!'"
*While on the poster, click '[[Dangeresque]]: put em on ice' to see a clip of Dangeresque: Put 'Em On Ice!
::''{Cut to somewhere in The Field in winter, with a small ice pond in the foreground. Strong Bad (as Dangeresque) skates in from the right}''
::'''DANGERESQUE:''' So I'm gonna have to jum-
::''{Dangeresque falls through the ice.}''
::'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{offscreen}'' Meh! ''{throws a rose onto the ice}''
* Click the invisible ''Encore'' on the bottom-right of the [[Lappy 486|Lappy]] screen to see the rock opera again.
* If you are viewing the SWF file, do an encore twice, then pausing it and then press play. This will show an extra scene of Strong Bad skateing

== Fun Facts ==
=== Trivia ===
* This is the first time where we see Strong Bad's whole body walking by a straight-on view.
* This is the first email where all twelve main characters appear in person. (The Poopsmith and Pom-Pom were only on playing cards in [[your friends]] and [[different town]], respectively.)
* Each quote is truly taken from each email, in order. The first word is from [[some kinda robot]], the second from [[homsar]], and so forth.
* Strong Bad ''did'' back down from a bad idea in [[other days]], when he decided not to speak the entire email as a robot.

=== Remarks ===
*The email rap and the flipside version are clips of Strong Bad saying the same thing, but they are different versions of it. If you reverse the clip, the most obvious difference is that the flipside version doesn't have a pause after the word "email."
* The Poopsmith, Bubs and Pom Pom all remain motionless when the cast yells "SBEMAIL!", though it may be that the Poopsmith is silent on purpose, courtesy of his vow of silence.

=== Goofs ===
* You can still click the contrast buttons on the [[Tandy 400|Tandy]] while the opera is playing, although it doesn't actually affect the contrast of the screen.
* When roses are being thrown with the Lappy in the background, you can't see the reflection of the roses on the Lappy screen.
* When the cast yells "SBEMAIL!" Strong Mad's mouth appears on Homsar's torso for a few seconds.
* Though not noticeable without zooming in, once everyone has finished yelling "SBEMAIL!", Homsar's lip comes between Homestar's torso and his head; more specifically, in front of the head, and behind the torso.
*When Strong Bad walks, one of the signs says "No for Rent," instead of "Not for Rent".
*In [[trevor the vampire]], when Strong Bad goes up to the screen and says "Hi everybody", his eyes were given the newer style. However, in the opera, the same scene was shown, but his eyes were still the old style.
*When Strong Bad says the word 'bajibblie', the word displayed on the screen is just 'jibblie'.

=== Inside References ===
* The shoes that walk across the screen are the back button of the old main page.
**The shoes were also used as a back button in the first Homestar Runner game where you had to play the "She loves me/not" game. It also introduced Marzipan.
* On the second making-fun-of-Anonymous piece-of-paper, Anonymous has his hands glued to his butt, which also happened to Strong Sad in the e-mail [[1 step ahead]].
**Also, the drawing of Anonymous has two toenails, much like Strong Sad.
**Strong Sad also gave an "anonymous tip" in [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]].
* Also on the second piece-of-paper, Strong Bad's legs are positioned like those of [[Wrestleman]] from the [[Weekly Sketchbook]].
* The [[Teen Girl Squad]] character Tompkins can be found on the second making-fun-of-Anonymous piece-of-paper, in his miniaturized form from [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 7]].
* When Strong Bad's typing starts going awry as The Cheat is throwing roses at him, he types "the chicks" as "teh chekts", a reference to the immediately preceding Strong Bad E-mail [[secret recipes]].
**"Teh" might be a reference to [[cheatday]], in which The Cheat signs his name "Teh C."
**"Teh" is also a leetspeak word for "The".
* When Strong Bad appears to have two electric guitars sticking out of his head, it's a reference to the cover art for the CD [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits]].
* Strong Bad sitting in the chair swirling the wine in the cup is modeled after a similar scene from the Powered-by-the-Cheat music video [[Everybody to the Limit]].
**Strong Bad also swirls his wine in [[montage]].
**The background behind him in this scene is from [[dangeresque 3]].
* The action figures of Strong Sad and Strong Bad are from the Strong Bad Email [[action figure]].
* The pants Coach Z temporarily don seem to be modeled after [[Rather Dashing]]'s short pants.
* The background of the area with the pyramid of gold bars (pre-explosion) is taken directly from [[RhinoFeeder]].
* The "Goodtime Palace" is modeled after similar scenes from [[animal]] and even features [[Baby Styles]].
**Also, the normal "black frame" around the screen changes to the Cheat's poorly drawn frame from his "[[Powered by the Cheat]]" Cartoons.
* The picture of the "Hardest Guitar Chord Ever" comes from [[privileges]].
* The jogging pixellated Strong Bad is originally from [[montage]].
* [[Club Technochocolate]] is originally from [[extra plug]].
** But just the word "technochocolate" comes from [[monument]].
* The rock music which starts at Club Technochocolate is based on ''The Cheat Is Not Dead'' from [[caper]].
* [[The Stage|The stage]] the entire cast is grouped on at the end is the same stage from [[A Decemberween Pageant]], among other holiday toons.
* The "biscuitdoughhandsman review" in the Easter Egg is yet another reference to everyone's favorite unapprehended villain, [[Biscuit Dough Hands Man]].
* "[[The Deke]]" is originally from [[autobiography]].
* Strong Bad's dance move with Baby Styles is a reference to [[virus]] when he compliments Bubs for being a computer genius man.
* "Sbemail" is a reference to the filename of every Strong Bad e-mail. Strong Bad also refers to this in [[unused emails]]
*This isn't the first time Strong Bad has spoken backwards, he also does it on [[Strong Bad's Message Bored]].
* The guitars featured in the email are the same as in the easter egg in the email [[new hands]].

=== Real-World References ===
* Strong Bad's "Ándale! Ándale! Arriba! Arriba!" at the end is quoting the famous Warner Bros. cartoon mouse [[Wikipedia:Speedy Gonzales|Speedy Gonzales]].
* The electric guitars in the opera are (or are modeled after) Gibson Flying Vs.
* The amps are modeled after Marshall stacks, but instead of "Marshall," the logo reads "An Amp". These were also used in [[different town]], but labeled "Marzipan".
*Sbemail, in containing multiple sections of different styles, is remiscent of rock operettas, including The Who's "A Quick One, While He's Away" and (more famously) Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody" (which isn't a rock operetta/opera of any kind).
*Strong Bad's rap at the beginning of the e-mail may be a reference to Missy Elliott's "Work It," where she says "I put my thang down, flip it, and reverse it! Ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gnaht ym tup I!"
*Strong Bad walking towards the camera while neon signs fly by is also a commonly used movie cliche when the main-character gets overwhelmed by the nightlife of the city (most famously in the 1945 film ''[[Wikipedia:The Lost Weekend|The Lost Weekend]]'').



== See Also ==
*The [[Rock Opera Context|context]] for all of the words from rock opera

== External Links ==
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail125.html view "rock opera"] 
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail125.swf view the flash file for "rock opera"]
*[http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=2072 forum re: "rock opera"]

{{Strong Bad Email}}
[[Category: Lappy 486 Emails]] [[Category: Strong Bad Filmography]] [[Category: Tompkins Filmography]] [[Category: Stinkoman Filmography]] [[Category: Strong Sad Filmography]] [[Category: The Cheat Filmography]] [[Category: Coach Z Filmography]] [[Category: Homestar Runner Filmography]] [[Category: Marzipan Filmography]] [[Category: The Poopsmith Filmography]] [[Category: Bubs Filmography]] [[Category: Strong Mad Filmography]] [[Category: Homsar Filmography]] [[Category: The King of Town Filmography]] [[Category: Pom Pom Filmography]] [[Category: Dangeresque Filmography]] [[Category:Powered by The Cheat]]

rock opera

Firefoxman — Sat, 19 Mar 2005 11:53:23 GMT

Firefoxman: /* Easter Eggs */

[[Image:sbemail_opera.png|thumb|SBEMAIL: The Musical]]

'''Strong Bad Email #125'''

Strong Bad sings his rock opera 'SBEMAIL!'.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]], [[Little Strong Bad]], [[Anonymous]], [[Tompkins]], [[Strong Sad]], [[The Cheat]], [[Coach Z]], [[Homestar Runner]], [[Marzipan]], [[Grape Nuts Robot]], [[Baby Styles]], [[Vector Strong Bad]], [[The Poopsmith]], [[Bubs]], [[Strong Mad]], [[Homsar]], [[King of Town]], [[Pom Pom]], [[Dangeresque (character)|Dangeresque]] (easter egg)

'''Date:''' February 22, 2005

'''Running Time:''' 3:21

== Transcript ==
'''STRONG BAD:''' Checkin' email and take it to the flipside! !edispilf eht ot ti ekat dna liame 'nikcehC

<pre>
subject: rock opera

Strong Bad,
I think it's high time you composed a rock opera. You
simply owe it to society. What should it be about?
That's up to you.
Best Wishes,
Anonymous Contributor
Gambier, OH
</pre>

''{Strong Bad pronounces "Contributor" as "ContribuTOR" and "OH" as "hhhough"}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ugh, poor guy. ''{typing}'' Hey! Mr. and Mrs. Contributor, way to name your kid! I can only imagine the taunts and jabs the kids on the playground musta come up with.

''{A piece of notebook paper appears onscreen with Teen Girl Squad-esque drawings on it. On it are drawings of a swingset, Strong Bad, and Anonymous, who looks suspiciously like Strong Sad with a question mark for a face. Anonymous is kicking a soccerball}''

'''NOTEBOOK STRONG BAD:''' Hey Anonymous! Why don't ya, um, write a poem or something and not attribute it to yourself!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Or like...

''{The paper switches out. This one features Anonymous with his hands glued to his butt, Strong Bad, and Tompkins}''

'''NOTEBOOK STRONG BAD:''' Yo Anonny! Maybe try calling the cops and giving them some valuable information to help solve a crime without revealing your own identityyyy!

''{The paper disappears offscreen}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Oh. Kids can be so cruel. ''{clears screen, resumes typing}'' OK, back on task. To tell you the truth, you guys have already heard mosta my rock opera. I've been composing it over the last three and a half years. It's simply entitled "SBEMAIL!" ''{A poster for SBEMAIL! appears onscreen}'' And the lyrics consist of one word from each of my 125 emails! ''{The poster disappears}'' Now, it may not make a whole lotta sense but when have I ever backed down from a bad idea, right? Now let's get this train-wreck a-rollin'!

''{Cut to some curtains, which open, beginning the opera}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
Join me on my single—

'''STRONG SAD:''' 
hundred—

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
toilet dreams picture. 
Everybody wanna scam some sweet bucks or potential—

'''LITTLE STRONG BAD:''' 
pizza. 

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
Oh! Oh! Ummm. Nevermind. 
Ummm... double—

'''COACH Z:''' 
pants.

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
Awesome, awesome fancy danish. 
Professional funky totally diggity-underdrawers. 
Oh tonight,—

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' 
cool,—

'''MARZIPAN:''' 
healthy,—

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
ones, eh? 
Whatever action baby actually went jibblie. 
Oooh! Oh. Party like completely great, good. 
Down town ladies get consummate—

'''MARZIPAN:''' 
yeah.

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
Awkward sweet peaches crackin' action! 
Wha-Ho! Problematic. 
Solid jumble!

'''GRAPE NUTS ROBOT:''' 
Crazy—

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
beans double the real gold! 
Computer—

'''STRONG SAD:''' 
internet—

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
bulging—

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' 
out.

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
Yeah, oh! 
Dynomite afterparty! 
Like, fangoriously world-class and—

'''POWERED-BY-THE-CHEAT STRONG BAD:''' 
grand.

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
Ooooh! Oh!

'''STRONG SAD:''' 
Ewww!

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
Oh-ho-ho-ho! Definitely, definitely—

'''VECTOR STRONG BAD:''' 
baby.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' 
Yup,—

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
I totally—

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' 
always—

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
look awesome singing backwards metal. 
Experience dance tonight! Unh! 
Oooh! I'm pleasant. 
Positate without pizzaz and—

'''STINKOMAN:''' 
jam!!

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
Whoa! 
Tonight equals dancing,

'''CANNED AUDIENCE:''' 
yeah!

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
Famous—

'''FEMALE LAPPY:''' 
ladies—

'''STRONG BAD:''' 
always like—

'''ALL:''' 
SBEMAIL!

''{The screen fades to black and the SBEMAIL! poster slides down from the top of the screen. Cut to the Lappy. Strong Bad is clapping and making crowd noises with his mouth while roses are being thrown on him from off camera}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Bravo! Encore! Encore! Ándale! Ándale! Arriba! Arriba! ''{typing}'' Thank you! Thank you! The rave reviews are already pouring in! It's only a matter of time before the chicks ''{due to the keyboard getting covered in roses, this is typed as "It's only a msyyer pd tun/ blegfr teh chekts"}'' -uh.

''{The camera pulls out, and we see The Cheat on the computer desk holding a rose}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' The Cheat... ixnay on the cut-it-out-throwing-roses-at-me! ...may.

'''THE CHEAT:''' Meh!

''{The Cheat throws his rose at Strong Bad's face and it sticks there}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Augh! ''{clutches his face, starts flailing his limbs wildly}'' Rose face! ROSE FACE!!! ''{falls off his stool}''

''{Cut back to the Lappy, where [[The Paper]] comes down}''

== Easter Eggs ==
* Click ''rave reviews'' to see some reviews of Sbemail:
**"SBEMAIL! Is a Triumph of Some Sort!!!" "It will leave you you wanting MORE, MORE, MORE!" -(Perhaps)The Deke
**"A million stars!!!" -Age 7
**"SBEMAIL! is better than a goat!!" - The biscuitdoughhandsman Review

* Click ''Pouring in'' to see a poster for SBEMAIL!
:"an off13 broadway rock opera from the man who brought you 'dangeresque: put em on ice!'"
*While on the poster, click '[[Dangeresque]]: put em on ice' to see a clip of Dangeresque: Put 'Em On Ice!
::''{Cut to somewhere in The Field in winter, with a small ice pond in the foreground. Strong Bad (as Dangeresque) skates in from the right}''
::'''DANGERESQUE:''' So I'm gonna have to jum-
::''{Dangeresque falls through the ice.}''
::'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{offscreen}'' Meh! ''{throws a rose onto the ice}''
* Click the invisible ''Encore'' on the bottom-right of the [[Lappy 486|Lappy]] screen to see the rock opera again.
* If you are viewing the SWF file, do an encore twice, then pausing it and then press play.

== Fun Facts ==
=== Trivia ===
* This is the first time where we see Strong Bad's whole body walking by a straight-on view.
* This is the first email where all twelve main characters appear in person. (The Poopsmith and Pom-Pom were only on playing cards in [[your friends]] and [[different town]], respectively.)
* Each quote is truly taken from each email, in order. The first word is from [[some kinda robot]], the second from [[homsar]], and so forth.
* Strong Bad ''did'' back down from a bad idea in [[other days]], when he decided not to speak the entire email as a robot.

=== Remarks ===
*The email rap and the flipside version are clips of Strong Bad saying the same thing, but they are different versions of it. If you reverse the clip, the most obvious difference is that the flipside version doesn't have a pause after the word "email."
* The Poopsmith, Bubs and Pom Pom all remain motionless when the cast yells "SBEMAIL!", though it may be that the Poopsmith is silent on purpose, courtesy of his vow of silence.

=== Goofs ===
* You can still click the contrast buttons on the [[Tandy 400|Tandy]] while the opera is playing, although it doesn't actually affect the contrast of the screen.
* When roses are being thrown with the Lappy in the background, you can't see the reflection of the roses on the Lappy screen.
* When the cast yells "SBEMAIL!" Strong Mad's mouth appears on Homsar's torso for a few seconds.
* Though not noticeable without zooming in, once everyone has finished yelling "SBEMAIL!", Homsar's lip comes between Homestar's torso and his head; more specifically, in front of the head, and behind the torso.
*When Strong Bad walks, one of the signs says "No for Rent," instead of "Not for Rent".
*In [[trevor the vampire]], when Strong Bad goes up to the screen and says "Hi everybody", his eyes were given the newer style. However, in the opera, the same scene was shown, but his eyes were still the old style.
*When Strong Bad says the word 'bajibblie', the word displayed on the screen is just 'jibblie'.

=== Inside References ===
* The shoes that walk across the screen are the back button of the old main page.
**The shoes were also used as a back button in the first Homestar Runner game where you had to play the "She loves me/not" game. It also introduced Marzipan.
* On the second making-fun-of-Anonymous piece-of-paper, Anonymous has his hands glued to his butt, which also happened to Strong Sad in the e-mail [[1 step ahead]].
**Also, the drawing of Anonymous has two toenails, much like Strong Sad.
**Strong Sad also gave an "anonymous tip" in [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]].
* Also on the second piece-of-paper, Strong Bad's legs are positioned like those of [[Wrestleman]] from the [[Weekly Sketchbook]].
* The [[Teen Girl Squad]] character Tompkins can be found on the second making-fun-of-Anonymous piece-of-paper, in his miniaturized form from [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 7]].
* When Strong Bad's typing starts going awry as The Cheat is throwing roses at him, he types "the chicks" as "teh chekts", a reference to the immediately preceding Strong Bad E-mail [[secret recipes]].
**"Teh" might be a reference to [[cheatday]], in which The Cheat signs his name "Teh C."
**"Teh" is also a leetspeak word for "The".
* When Strong Bad appears to have two electric guitars sticking out of his head, it's a reference to the cover art for the CD [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits]].
* Strong Bad sitting in the chair swirling the wine in the cup is modeled after a similar scene from the Powered-by-the-Cheat music video [[Everybody to the Limit]].
**Strong Bad also swirls his wine in [[montage]].
**The background behind him in this scene is from [[dangeresque 3]].
* The action figures of Strong Sad and Strong Bad are from the Strong Bad Email [[action figure]].
* The pants Coach Z temporarily don seem to be modeled after [[Rather Dashing]]'s short pants.
* The background of the area with the pyramid of gold bars (pre-explosion) is taken directly from [[RhinoFeeder]].
* The "Goodtime Palace" is modeled after similar scenes from [[animal]] and even features [[Baby Styles]].
**Also, the normal "black frame" around the screen changes to the Cheat's poorly drawn frame from his "[[Powered by the Cheat]]" Cartoons.
* The picture of the "Hardest Guitar Chord Ever" comes from [[privileges]].
* The jogging pixellated Strong Bad is originally from [[montage]].
* [[Club Technochocolate]] is originally from [[extra plug]].
** But just the word "technochocolate" comes from [[monument]].
* The rock music which starts at Club Technochocolate is based on ''The Cheat Is Not Dead'' from [[caper]].
* [[The Stage|The stage]] the entire cast is grouped on at the end is the same stage from [[A Decemberween Pageant]], among other holiday toons.
* The "biscuitdoughhandsman review" in the Easter Egg is yet another reference to everyone's favorite unapprehended villain, [[Biscuit Dough Hands Man]].
* "[[The Deke]]" is originally from [[autobiography]].
* Strong Bad's dance move with Baby Styles is a reference to [[virus]] when he compliments Bubs for being a computer genius man.
* "Sbemail" is a reference to the filename of every Strong Bad e-mail. Strong Bad also refers to this in [[unused emails]]
*This isn't the first time Strong Bad has spoken backwards, he also does it on [[Strong Bad's Message Bored]].
* The guitars featured in the email are the same as in the easter egg in the email [[new hands]].

=== Real-World References ===
* Strong Bad's "Ándale! Ándale! Arriba! Arriba!" at the end is quoting the famous Warner Bros. cartoon mouse [[Wikipedia:Speedy Gonzales|Speedy Gonzales]].
* The electric guitars in the opera are (or are modeled after) Gibson Flying Vs.
* The amps are modeled after Marshall stacks, but instead of "Marshall," the logo reads "An Amp". These were also used in [[different town]], but labeled "Marzipan".
*Sbemail, in containing multiple sections of different styles, is remiscent of rock operettas, including The Who's "A Quick One, While He's Away" and (more famously) Queen's "Bohemian Rhapsody" (which isn't a rock operetta/opera of any kind).
*Strong Bad's rap at the beginning of the e-mail may be a reference to Missy Elliott's "Work It," where she says "I put my thang down, flip it, and reverse it! Ti esrever dna ti pilf nwod gnaht ym tup I!"
*Strong Bad walking towards the camera while neon signs fly by is also a commonly used movie cliche when the main-character gets overwhelmed by the nightlife of the city (most famously in the 1945 film ''[[Wikipedia:The Lost Weekend|The Lost Weekend]]'').



== See Also ==
*The [[Rock Opera Context|context]] for all of the words from rock opera

== External Links ==
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail125.html view "rock opera"] 
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail125.swf view the flash file for "rock opera"]
*[http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=2072 forum re: "rock opera"]

{{Strong Bad Email}}
[[Category: Lappy 486 Emails]] [[Category: Strong Bad Filmography]] [[Category: Tompkins Filmography]] [[Category: Stinkoman Filmography]] [[Category: Strong Sad Filmography]] [[Category: The Cheat Filmography]] [[Category: Coach Z Filmography]] [[Category: Homestar Runner Filmography]] [[Category: Marzipan Filmography]] [[Category: The Poopsmith Filmography]] [[Category: Bubs Filmography]] [[Category: Strong Mad Filmography]] [[Category: Homsar Filmography]] [[Category: The King of Town Filmography]] [[Category: Pom Pom Filmography]] [[Category: Dangeresque Filmography]] [[Category:Powered by The Cheat]]

Old-Timey Strong Bad

Firefoxman — Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:25:03 GMT

Firefoxman: Revert

[[Image:sirstrongbad.png|thumb|right|220px|Strong Bad circa 1936]]

'''1936 Strong Bad''' (aka "Sir Strong Bad," "Uncle Strong Bad," and "The Strong Bad") is the [[1936]] version of the current [[Strong Bad]]. He has an upper-class English accent instead of his current accent of debatable origin. Also, he has a dastardly moustache and wears "gentlemen's sport gloves" instead of boxing gloves. He sent half of his moustache to today's Strong Bad in a sealed envelope for the sake of history.

==Filmography==
*'''Debut:''' [[Kick the Can]]
*[[:Category:The Strong Bad Filmography|Complete Filmography]]

[[Category:1936 Characters]]

User talk:Firefoxman

Firefoxman — Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:30:37 GMT

Firefoxman:

== Sig ==

I noticed you've copied directly off my signiture. Please, change it. Not out of selfishness, but because every time I see your sig, I think it's mine. Please change it, again. Be original! There are lots of cool symbols in the [[Help:Editing|Editing Help]] seciton. Thanks. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

I'm sorry if the site hasnot been updated, but my signuture looks like this: [[User:firefoxman|ΩLucas]].
I guess when you change your sig, you will still display your old one. -[[User:firefoxman|ΩLucas]]

User talk:Firefoxman

Firefoxman — Fri, 21 Jan 2005 21:29:46 GMT

Firefoxman:

== Glitch template ==

Hi there. I deleted your glitch template. What were you trying to do there?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:59, 9 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Or with any other template? It only makes it harder for new users to navigate (especially with the Troll template). Is there a reason for all the sudden template creations? →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]
Sorry. I guess I overdid it.
I can be overenthusiatic at times. I will try to slow down. --[[User:firefoxman|ΩLucas]]

== Sig ==

== Sig ==

I noticed you've copied directly off my signiture. Please, change it. Not out of selfishness, but because every time I see your sig, I think it's mine. Please change it, again. Be original! There are lots of cool symbols in the [[Help:Editing|Editing Help]] seciton. Thanks. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

I'm sorry if the site hasnot been updated, but my signuture looks like this: [[User:firefoxman|ΩLucas]].
I guess when you change your sig, you will still display your old one. -[[User:firefoxman|ΩLucas]]

Main Page 15

Firefoxman — Thu, 20 Jan 2005 23:23:30 GMT

Firefoxman: /* Fun Facts */

[[Image:Main15.PNG|220px|thumb|Poorly Powered.]]

A page made using Powered by The Cheat technology.

'''Starring:''' [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]], [[Strong Sad]], [[The Cheat]]

'''Page title:''' "Powered by The Cheat"

*'''Toons''' - A circle with a slash through it appears over Homestar.
*'''Games''' - [[Homestar Runner]] spits when he says games and a blinking games logo with lightning flashes behind him.
*'''Characters''' - A boat that says "wear a bikini" spins around and stuff.
*'''Downloads''' - [[Strong Bad]] moves with a poorly done shape tween and says "I am over here", then jumps back and says "Now I am back over here."
*'''Store''' - An oval sun lights up around the Store button and [[Strong Sad]] floats through the sky and says, "I'm sad that I'm flying...".
*'''Email''' - Strong Bad comments on [[The Cheat]]'s work. 3 possible comments.

== Fun Facts ==

*The three possible comments from scrolling over e-mail are:
**'''Strong Bad:''' And what is that terrible voice? Is that supposed to be Homestar? '''The Cheat:''' ''{Defensive The Cheat noises}''
**'''The Cheat:''' ''{Questioning The Cheat noises}'' '''Strong Bad:''' The animation looks terrible. It's all jerky, ya know, like it was done by a two years old boy.
**'''The Cheat:''' ''{Exclamatory The Cheat noises}'' '''Strong Bad:''' Once again, your visual style just looks thrown together. It looks like you don't care.
*"[[Wear a Bikini!]]' is a recurring [[Inside Jokes|Inside Joke]].
*The [[Strong Bad]] that goes back and forth is a typical example of shape tweening in Macromedia Flash, this technique is commonly used by cheap flash animation.
*After rolling over "E-mail", you will see that the museam button will shift up and down.
*After rolling over "E-mail", you can quickly roll over the other buttons on The Cheat's computer. Only the E-mail and Museum buttons are functional on The Cheat's computer.
*Right click anywhere on the screen and then click "play". This allows you to see [[The Cheat]] and [[Strong Bad]] talking, while preserving the "What's new"-type links at the top and the numbers at the bottem.
*To truly appreciate lousy animation, right click, scroll over quality, and click "low".

== External Links ==

*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/main15.html go to Main Page 15]
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/main15.swf view the flash file for Main Page 15]

[[Category:Main Pages]] [[Category:Powered by The Cheat]]

User talk:Tom

Firefoxman — Sun, 16 Jan 2005 17:49:09 GMT

Firefoxman:

__NOTOC__
==Jones being funny==
Yarr!! - [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 23:05, 16 Jul 2004 (MST)

==Seethroo with some questions==
Heya, [[User:Tom|Tom]]. Do you ever check this thing?
What's goin' on with the Wiki? It seems to be going nuts. ~ [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]

:Yes, I do. And yeah, it's under some strain right now. Crazy. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:51, 2 Aug 2004 (MST)

Cool, cool. I'm gonna be able to help move stuff tonight. [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]

:Sweet. I appreciate it. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:41, 3 Aug 2004 (MST)

Hey, is there any particular reason I CANNOT get onto Recent Changes on the oldschool wiki? It's seriously gettin' on my nerves. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:03, 6 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I'm guessing it's just the mySQL overload we've been experiencing. Yeah, bummer. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:05, 6 Aug 2004 (MST)

Woah. I added a pantload...but there are still some organizational things that need to be hammered out...I guess check the comments I made in various places...I'm tired... -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 23:11, 6 Aug 2004 (MST)

HOLY CRAP! Who're all those people blocked from this wiki??? I didn't know you were doin' that much blocking already! - [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:34, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Yeah, those are open proxies. You can see the note [[Template:BlockedProxy|here]] and Joey's and my discussion of the topic [[Template talk:BlockedProxy|here]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:47, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

----

I wanted to do that for old times sake. Anyway, I kinda discovered something to make transferring things much easier. If you take the code from 'Tavi pages, put em in Word, and then do a ctrl-f, you can have it replace all the parentheses with brackets. Doing things that way, I can get all my links straightened out before I even put the text in MediaWiki. Just sharing... -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:44, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Yeah, I do the same thing, except I use TextPad. It helps a bunch. Mostly. Just have to be a little careful. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:48, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

::How're all my edits and transfers? Is there something wrong that I'm doing that I need to be aware of? (did I just say "doing"? -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:54, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::You, my friend, are doing a great job. You're really keeping things moving along. Keep up the good work. I'm seriously thinking you are the man right about now. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:24, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

==Note from Firebird==

Just wanted to say thanks for all the work put into the move. Great Job! -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:You're welcome. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:08, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Redirects ==

Tom: I'm seeing some deletion of redirect pages on the deletion log. It looks like most of those pages will not be missed, but it does help to have some "common" misspelling articles redirect to the proper article. This is not for sloppy linking , as no pages SHOULD link to a redirect page. This is for people who come to the site, punch in a name into the search box and are taken to the correct page.

There is always some debate over what constitutes a common misspelling. I created a redirect from Whats her face to What's her face. This seems useful to me. Let me know what you think about this. [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 15:42, 15 Sep 2004 (MST)

:I agree. The ones I've been trying to catch are old links that were not fixed correctly during the move. Things like "MainPage 10" that were used instead of "[[Main Page 10]]" becuase of CamelCase on 'Tavi. The person who created that redirect then went ahead and created one for "MainPage 11", even though nothing linked there. I don't see the need for 21 pages to be created like this. Another example is "sbemail1" and its companions. There isn't a need for that.

:Of course, you also have to remember that we turned on case-sensitivity. That means that "[[What's Her Face]]" and "What's her Face" are also two completely different pages. I'd rather that a link show up in red and someone pick up on their mistake right away then have them continue to make links to redirect pages. But I suppose it would be very hard to keep a lid on things like this once we get going. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:55, 15 Sep 2004 (MST)

::Oh, Contraire! I have often wanted to be able to quickly type "sbemailxx" into the search box to find something quickly. I agree that old camel case links should be removed, but I see nothing wrong with shortcut redirects for the lazy. (I was actually thinking of adding these the other day, then stumbled across this thread. Sorry I'm a little late joining the discussion.) :) --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 22:37, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

==Note from Jones==
''[copied and pasted from [[User:Tom]]]''

I'm just so sick of you being at the top of [[Special:Wantedpages]]. So there. Now you're unwanted. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 07:49, 3 Sep 2004 (MST)

:Thanks Jones. I feel so loved. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:08, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

==Notes from Maudi==
''[both were copied and pasted from [[User:Tom]]]''

Thank God that you made it, Tom! Thank God! -Maudi Algabban

:I agree! -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:08, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

Hey, Tom! Have you listened to "Dragostea din tei" with Haiducii or O-Zone? They're from Romania. -Maudi --[[User:193.150.221.247|193.150.221.247]] 16:28, 19 Sep 2004 (MST)

:Sorry, I have to admit that I still haven't. Have you made a userpage yet? Heh heh. But seriously, I know there's [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=193.150.221.247 some stuff] that needs to be attributed to you by being on your userpage. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:08, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Note ==

Oh geez, man, it looks like I disambiguated a page you deleted. Took too long doing it, I guess. I'm really sorry about that. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 19:40, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

:No problem, I can just re-delete it. And I appreciate you leaving this note. It makes me feel good. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:41, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Oh Man ==
''[In reply to a comment from [[User_talk:Thunderbird_L17]]]''

All that work... I'm really sorry. I was trying to figure out why all my pics looked slightly off. Oh well. I've switched over now. I just wish I hadn't deleted them as I went along... Oh well. I think I'm still doing ok for only being here about a week. Again, my apolagies. And they'll all be PNG from now on. Btw, if you could provide me with a list of the JPG pictures I uploaded, I could replace them in my spare time. Thanks.

-Thunderbird

:Hey, no problem. Here's a [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Thunderbird_L17 good place] to get started. Then there's always the [[Special:Imagelist|Image List]]. I think that might work best. And I can come up with a better list if you need it. And I'm glad you can see the difference. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:03, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)

UPDATE:

Topic Complete.

All of my uploaded JPG files are now PNG. Took a bit of doing, but it's done.

== Sebastian Coe ==

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Coe 
''He first ran against Ovett in Prague in 1978 in an 800 meter race that neither won. The next year in Oslo, Norway, '''Coe set his first world records''' (in the 800-meter and '''mile races'''). One of the most famous races between Ovett and Coe was in the 1980 Olympic Games in the 1500-meters. Coe won in Olympic Record time.''

=== Further References ===
From http://www.geocities.com/hotsprings/3257/coe.html 
''He beat Ovett's mile record, running it in 3 min 48.53 sec on August 19; only a week later '''Ovett set another mile record, which was then shattered by Coe''' with a 3 min 47.33 sec run on August 28.''

Here are some of his times in the mile: 
''mile <nowiki>3'48''95</nowiki> 1979 Wr (Oslo)'' 
''mile <nowiki>3'48''53</nowiki> 1981 Wr (Zurich)'' 
''mile <nowiki>3'47''33</nowiki> 1981 Wr (Bruxelles)'' 
Note: Wr stands for World Record.

One final reference: http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/World%20record%20progression%20for%20the%20mile%20run 

And a quote from you; 
:''"Hmm. [Coe] didn't really run the mile. And he never had the world record."'' 
Could you please cite your references?? As far as I can tell, he not only ran the mile, he also held the world record on ''three'' seperate occasions.[[User:Hobophobic|<nowiki>~</nowiki>Hobo]]

::Um, my bad. But you did notice that I changed my edit after that edit you quoted me on, right? And that I was being particularly ambigious in my wording? Anyway, you are right. No hard feelings. Thank you. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:13, 22 Sep 2004 (MST)

:So, were you gonna change it back then? [[User:Hobophobic|<nowiki>~</nowiki>Hobo]]

::Done. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:13, 23 Sep 2004 (MST)
:Thanks [[User:Hobophobic|<nowiki>~</nowiki>Hobo]]

== Idea ==

How about desktop background downloads for the wiki? Anyone who wanted to create one could, then e-mail one of the admins the image. Then the admin, if approved, could upload it into the wiki images. It's just an idea, but I like the sound of it. I'd love to have an HRwiki background. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:Hmm. I don't think so. The problem is this, the Wiki is just for information. If you want to make something on your own and then have it somewhere that you could link to from your userpage, that would be better. See, we kind of tread on this uneasy ground with copyrights and the like. Not only that, but there's also the content issue. I know a background that you would make would most likely be good and wholesome for the Wiki and for Homestar Runner, but I wouldn't want to encourage other not-as-good backgrounds to be made. You are always free to make your own backgrounds, keep them to yourself, use them on your computer, and do what ever you want with them.
:As of right now, I'll say this: I don't think you will ever have an official Homestar Runner Wiki background. But I'll ask around and see what I can do. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:43, 22 Sep 2004 (MST)

::That's fine with me. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

== Floppy Disks ==

Since you apparently look after the floppy disk section mostly, I figured you would be the best person to ask. How do you feel about a picture of the floppy disk container and it's label beside every listing of it in the inside jokes section? I would be happy to complete that undertaking if you approve. Also, is there anywhere else I could add some pictures? I'm finished the rejects section.

-Thunderbird_L17

:[http://old.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=Floppy+Disk+Container%2FStrongBadEmailDiskLabels Floppy Disk Container/StrongBadEmailDiskLabels]. Check it out. The problem is this: the Wiki is text-based, and information provided through text makes things much easier to search and quicker to load. I'm not really sure that having a screenshot of every different one is needed. Why would it need to be seen by the viewer? Could they simply watch the toon or email instead? One thing that really needs to be done regarding The Container is having the links to the page standardized. Every Fun Facts section on every email and toon that has The Container in it should link to the Floppy Disk Container page in a uniform way. You could get started on that, if you want. And then there's what the disks actually reference. There's a subpage of the Old Wiki page on that needs to be copied over and gone through with a fine-tooth comb.
:Regarding the images, you kind of need to convince me why they are actually needed. Thanks for asking though, this has really gotten me thinking. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:31, 22 Sep 2004 (MST)

Well since you already have the list of where the disk case occurs, it should be easy to find the toons to put the link in. I'll get on it later. As far as the floppy images go, I don't think they're NEEDED per-say, but I think it would be kinda cool. It lets people really VISUALIZE the floppys. They would be really small pics too, not full screen. But if you don't want them I won't put them there. As for other pics though, I have been kind of going through the sites putting pictures on everything, if you don't like any of them, feel free to take them off. I just think that any character, object, or place does need a picture to really visualize what the afforementioned thing is. Most of the pages I did only have one or two pics, with the exceptions of The [[King of Town's Castle]] place page, and the [[Tandy_400]] computer page. I kinda may have gone overboard on those ones. Look 'em over and decide. The [[Monkey_D]]'s page also have a few. If you don't like them you can fix them how you see fit. But the widescreen pic in [[Strong_Bad's_Basement]], I'm really proud of that pic. It took me awhile. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 22:24, 22 Sep 2004 (PST)

:Those four pages that you linked to are good. And that basement image is especially good. In some places, it borders on the line of being to much, but I think you played it well. They also could use some small tweaks, but that will all come in good time. As for The Floppies, I think you can make a seperate section on the page for the images and organize them in a table. I actually have all the images, and I can upload them later if you want to use them. (I use them for [http://members.lycos.co.uk/tfpreuss/avatar/avatar.php my avatar] on the forum.) What do you think of that? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:11, 23 Sep 2004 (MST)

Okay, it's up and running..ish. Access it from the regular floppy list. If you have the images, feel free to upload them. Any that you don't have, or don't feel like uploading, I can them. Just upload what you want, and I'll do the rest. Oh, and how do you feel about the naming of images in the Floppy_*name_of_e-mail*.PNG uniformity? You can name then however you want, but I think there should be some form of uniformity in naming the image files. Just tell me if this is okay, and if you're done uploading the images you want. Also, they should all be fullscreen screenshots, right?

[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 11:10, 27 Sep 2004 (PST)

Alrightie. Update on the floppy disk container. I've been slowly working away at the Floppy disk container with screenshots page, no help needed there, but as I do so I realized another thing missing from the floppy disk container section, and an actual USEFUL thing, is a breif description and history of the games listed on the floppy disk containers. So that being said, I'm also plugging away at that in my little corner of the floppy disk page. If you would like the commentaries on the main floppy disk page too, which I think would be useful, please let me know so that I can add them to both pages as I go along. No rush though, it'll probably be a few weeks before I'm finished researching them and all. Let me know if you think this would be an improvement to the floppy disk page though. Generally I don't ask permission for editing things, but since you're the senior and keeper of the floppy disk container, I thought it was only fair to ask you. So what are your thoughts?

[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 9:45, 6 Oct 2004 (PST)

:I do like the information on what the labels mean, and I wouldn't really call them commentaries. They are all pretty clear cut. Let's see how big they get and then play it from there. Keep them on that screenshot page for now, I don't want to violate [[HRWiki:Once And Only Once]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:44, 7 Oct 2004 (MST)

Hiho. I've run into a roadblock doing the pics. In the e-mail 'lackey', how did you read, let alone get a picture, of the CD case? It's off the screen! Please let me know, or if you have the pic, simply save it as Floppy_lackey.PNG . Please let me know either way whenever. Thanks.

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 10:37, 11 Oct 2004 (PST)

:I used a program called [http://www.flash-decompiler.com/ Flash Decompiler]. It's a free download, so you might want to give it a try. Though I wasn't able to export the actual image, I was able to read the text. But you might have better luck than I did.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:41, 11 Oct 2004 (MST)

Sorry, I don't like treating you like an FAQ, I just have ONE last question. (Probably)...
I have the program, but how do you get the file onto it? It seems like you can only decompile files on your harddrive. Is this so? If it is, how do you get a flash file (SB E-mail Lackey) onto your hard drive? If it isn't, how do you get it from the interent? Last question, probably. I promise. Likely.

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 7:33, 13 Oct 2004 (PST)

:Down the bottom of each toon's or email's page, there's a link for the flash file. Just right click and choose "Save Link As..." or your browser's equivalent.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:57, 14 Oct 2004 (MST)

Thanks, I got it. What do you think of my floppy for Lackey? It's the best I could do... Anyways, I wanted to ask you about the once and only once policy. Though I agree that it's a good policy, I think that the 'see above' thing destroys the look of the summaries, especially once they are all finished. Plus, 'Manhunter New York' appeared in an e-mail at the top, then a toon way at the bottom. So it would be kind of hard to just say 'see above'. Plus since the picture is repeated, why not the explanation? You are the moderater, and whatever you decide I'll abide by, but in this case, since it's only for about 4 floppies, a number that's not likely to be increased, could I just repeat the explanations?

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 6:28, 15 Oct 2004 (PST)

:You know, I do like the idea of having the information on both. Let's try using a tempate instead. Do you think that will work?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:33, 15 Oct 2004 (MST)

Template? I don't know much about website formating or whatnot. Basically everything I do on the Wiki I learn by looking at how somebody else wrote a code, and then copying that pattern. But if you think the template or whatever will work, go ahead. You were right about floating the pictures to the left, making it into tables, all that kind of thing. Just do what you want, and if I disagree I can always revert. But overall I'm happy with what you do. Does this mean that I can put the repeat explanations on the few pictures though, instead of 'see above'?

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 23:49, 15 Oct 2004 (PST)

:Okay, here's what I did. I created [[Template:tongue of the fatman]], [[Template:lode runner]], and [[Template:manhunter new york]]. Check out the page to see if you like it. Now, there's only one place you need to go in order to change the content that will show up for both floppies.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 07:41, 16 Oct 2004 (MST)

Okay, that works. I don't really plan on editing them much anyways anymore, once the summary is there. But it looks exactly the same, so it's fine. Btw, I fixed the out of place 3.5 inch disk summary, I found a place for it where it fits nicely. Now nothing has two explanations, and the 5.25 inch disks don't have the same summary twice. (See Second 5.25 Inch Disk Summmary)

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 9:09, 16 Oct 2004 (PST)

:Very good. Well done.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:10, 16 Oct 2004 (MST)

Hey, can you do the same to Cave Quest (100th e-mail) that you did to Shogun? I can't get it the right size without it pixelating...

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 18:33, 17 Oct 2004 (PST)

:Heh heh. I already did. You can revert back to my image from [[:Image:Floppy flashback.PNG|here]] if you like.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:42, 17 Oct 2004 (MST)

Hey Tom, I thought JPG format was to be used for videos and pictures, and PNG for all flash material. Plus I think the JPG looked clearer and brighter. If you really don't want it there, then I'll try another way, but I thought I read somewhere that JPG was preferable for pictures, just not for flash. Is the one JPG really that bad? Please clarify. Thanks.

[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 06:30, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

:Ah ha. There's a little catch here though. We are talking about a screenshot of a movie or image, and not the actual image itself. Screenshots should always be PNGs. The only kinds of JPGs we should have are photos like [[:Image:TheBrothersChapsBandW.jpg]] or [[:Image:mattchapman.jpg]]. Perhaps an screenshot like [[:Image:puppetdween.png]] better illustrates what I'm trying to say.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:35, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

Okay, I getcha. Then I guess I'll just put it back on the old PNG one for now. Thanks. I guess if anything, it adds diversity...

[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 19:08, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

Alright, I think it's finally done. I have one more little task though that I can't complete on my own. The three templates, Template:manhunter_new_york , Template:lode_runner , and Template:tongue_of_the_fatman are now unneeded, and as such should be deleted, right? I can't figure out how to. If you know of a way, be my guest. Or should they just be left peacefully, until the end of time? -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 09:40, 1 Nov 2004 (MST)

Sorry, I was just going to get breakfast when I finished my summary, and when I finished it I realized there was a stored version that wasn't there when I started. I didn't have time to merge them so I just uploaded mine, and I was going to merge them when I got the chance, which is now. I did notice the picture though, and already put it up. Sorry about that, I don't want to offend anyone. I'm going to merge them right now. I just figured if I put mine in quickly yours is still stored as a past edit, so that way they're both there if needed. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 12:21, 15 Nov 2004 (MST)

Actually, I never thought about NPOV. While I was doing all this, I used reviews as sources, it's easier to just take the opinions of the writers and condence them. But I think that meathod has given the summaries a multi purpose, to now give you a bit of background about the game for curiosity's sake, but also as a type of mini review, for those who are deciding whether or not to find and play them. It gives the summaries a critical and reviewish type feel. Now to go back and do them all NPOV'D would take some doing, and in my opinion I don't think would be as enjoyable to read. What do you think?
'''Side Note:''' Since they replaced the 5.25's along with the Tandy, do you think they might replace the 2.5's with CD's along with the comp? I dunno, just a curious little observation.

--[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 15:05, 15 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Return the fanstuff! ==
I'd like a promise to agree to let me bring back the fanstuff. It doesn't make the wiki complete without it.--[[User:No Loafing V2|No Loafing]] 16:34, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)

:Joey has already [[User_talk:JoeyDay|replied to this demand]]. Fanstuff is [[HRWiki:About|not approved]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:11, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)
then im leaving. GOOD BYE!--[[User:No Loafing V2|No Loafing, who will only be on the forum from now on.]] 04:57, 1 Oct 2004 (MST)

Wow. What a crybaby. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:43, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

I second that. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 09:42, 1 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Rollbacks ==

Exactly how do you roll a page back to its previous version? I've attempted to do this in the past, and I still haven't figured out how. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 19:28, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)

:A very good question. I just fixed up the instructions on the [[WikiTroll]] page yesterday. Check 'em out.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:32, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)

== First time Here? on Log in ==

Is there anyway to link to the [[Hrwiki:About|about]] page on a log in page? It seems that people don't read that page, and it might help new users who log in? Do you agree? -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:Hmm, that's a pretty good idea. I'll look into that. But what might even be better is if we had some sort of [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Welcoming_committee|welcoming committee]]. Would you want to be in charge or something like that?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:55, 7 Oct 2004 (MST)

::I think it would be great if we had a welcoming committee (and I wouldn't mind being in charge). -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:::Fantastic, I'm happy to hear it. Just look over what Wikipedia does. We don't need all that stuff, but I'm sure you'll find a way to adapt it for us.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:50, 7 Oct 2004 (MST)

::::Should I make a page for our own little welcome committee? -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:::::Yeah, [[Hrwiki:Welcoming committee]] should work nicely. You're in charge, buddy.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:58, 7 Oct 2004 (MST)

== SB Email categories ==

I moved the [[:Category: Strong Bad Email]] as a sub-category of [[:Category: Strong Bad Filmography]]. All the emails were in both categories when technically all SB Emails are part of his filmography by default. It cleans up the Strong Bad filmography nicely and keeps the all the emails grouped together. There is only one email that SB is not in, but due to this arrangement will still be included in his filmography, but taking the IMDB as a guide, if someone guest hosts the "Late Show with David Letterman" it is called "Late Show Backstage", but it still shows up on Dave’s filmography. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 09:01, 12 Oct 2004 (MST)

:Personally I don't think this really makes sense. An email that Strong Bad is not in should not be in his Filmography, despite what IMDb does. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

::I agree. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:::I also found it a bit confusing. Strong Bad, Homestar, and Marzipan are in all of [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]s, but I don't think that should be a sub-category of any one of their filmographies. I think it would not be confusing to have every email be directly in Strong Bad's Filmography, except [[anything]], just how it was. It would also be less confusing for someone just looking at any email and thinking to themselves, "Oh, this one isn't listed in Strong Bad's Filmography", since it does not show up directly on the page as it is now with the subcategory. That's really what it comes down to, that [[:Category: Strong Bad Filmography]] does not show up on the emails. Oh, and the "anything" thing too.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:56, 12 Oct 2004 (MST)

:::Funny, the IMDB is a suitable guide to determine the precedent for a voice over. To me the Filmography categories are proving to be more trouble then they are worth and a misapplication of the original intent of the category structure. I understand wanting an automatically generated list for the 12 main characters that show up in everything, but it seems from all the other character pages that the Wiki users are more than capable of manually tracking the appearances of even the most obscure psudo-characters.

The stucture:
<pre>Character->Filmography->Strong Bad Filmography->Strong Bad Email</pre>

:::makes a lot of sence to me. SB is in all but one email, which can be explained by a note. If having 100+ emails cluttering the SB filmography and being unnessicarily duplicated in the email list and in the email category doesnt bother you, then it wont bother me.

:::I guess I should get going on [[:Category: Biscuit Dough Hands Man Filmography]] while I'm at it. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 12:15, 12 Oct 2004 (MST)

::::Your presentation just now does make a bit of sense. I'll have to see what others think. Though on that other issue, as I understood it, the filmography categories were never supposed to be extended beyond the 12 main characters. Somewhere along the line, this was not explained well enough and the whole thing took off. I think there's over fifty filmographies now. I'd be happy to draw a line somewhere. ([[:Category:The_Alien_Guy_Filmography]]?)[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:24, 12 Oct 2004 (MST)

== Thank you!!!!!!!1111oneone ==

Thank You x 1 Billion [[User:Hobophobic|<nowiki>~</nowiki>Hobo]]

:Hey, no problem.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:07, 15 Oct 2004 (MST)

== Help Page ==

I'm confused on where to post questions in the [[Help:Contents|help]] section. Do we post it on the FAQ Discussion page or somewhere on the Main Page of the help section? -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:The [[HRWiki_talk:FAQ|discussion page of the FAQ]]. Discussion and "talking" should never really be on a page. The headings on the [[Help:Contents|help]] page were set up by me back in late July and we never really fleshed them out. I'll fix it now. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:20, 19 Oct 2004 (MST)

No Problem. And Thanks. -- [[USer:FireBird|FireBird]]

==Notes from The Mysterious Stranger==
Hello, Tommy-boy. I'm back, and in buisiness.
-- [[User:Mysterious-Stranger|Mysterious-Stranger]]

==Subpages==
If there are subpages, we should use them. Anybody agree? (You have too or else, TOM!)--[[User:No Loafing|No Loafing]] 05:31, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

No. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:Subpages are useful, but only for the right kinds of stuff, like adding an archive to a cluttered talk page, or some ''temporary'' user space separate from the rest of your user space for, say, a rewrite of a page. - [[User:furrykef|[[User:furrykef|furrykef]] ([[User_talk:furrykef|Talk at me]])]] 09:56, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Who's In Charge Of The Main Page Anyways? ==

Hiho. I'm not getting much of a response on the [[Talk:Main Page|Main Talk Page]], so I figured I'd go straight to the source, assuming that the source(s) are moderators. Anyways, here's my question. Who's in charge of the Main Page, not so much the look of it, I don't really care about that, but moreso the organization of the links to pages. Now I'm no moderator, but I was curious as to why the links are organized the way they are. Why are Inside Jokes part of Wiki Stuff, Yet Songs part of Knowledge Base? I've been thinking about the layout, and I belive I've figued out a good way of sortage, and am hoping for either a yes or a no. Either one, as long as I can maybe get some kind of explanation as to why they're sorted the way they are, should the answer be a no. Anyhoo, without further ado, I give you my sorting idea...

Basically it consists of the Knowledge Base containing ONLY the things listed on the H*R main page(s), and putting everything left over into Wiki Stuff. It would look something like this, and would have the added bonus of evening the two sections out, leaving External Links on the bottom...

(The Knowledge Base Stuff)

* [[Toons]]
** [[Strong Bad Email]]
** [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]
** [[Teen Girl Squad]]
** [[Powered By The Cheat]]
** [[Puppet Stuff]]
** [[Holiday Toons]]
* [[Games]]
* [[Characters]]
* [[Downloads]]
* [[Store]]
* [[Email]]
* [[Legal]]
* [[Main Pages]]
** [[Weekly Fanstuff]]
** [[Quote of the Week]]
** [[Sketchbook]]
* [[Museum]]
* [[Secret Pages]]

Then this to the right of it: (Perhaps the first part even in an additional section?)

* [[Places]]
* [[Items]]
* [[Songs]]
* [[Quotes]]
* [[Glossary]]
* [[Inside Jokes]]
* "Rejects"
(Perhaps another section here?)
* [[Special:Listusers|List of registered wiki users]]
* [[Links]]
* [[Sightings]]
* [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]]
* [[HRWiki:Ledger|Ledger]]
* [[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]]
* [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]
* [[WikiTroll]]
* [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]]

Then the external links in another catergory. Is there any problem with this layout? The idea behind it is that the first section are your main ingrediants, and the second one is things that you can make out of them. I just belive that things such as Rejects and Inside Jokes should be in the same catergory as things such as songs and items. Any answer to this would be much appreciated, and then I'll shut up about it. Thanks alot Tom. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 02:33, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

:I'm not really sure. Your line of thinking makes sense, however I'm thinking it is our system of classification that really seems to be the issue. Inside Jokes? Rejects? What the heck are those really? Things need to be clearly defined and a system needs to be implimentated to classify things.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:57, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)

Hmmm... Thats a good point. Okay, well at least keep my organizational idea in mind as you go about implementing the changes. And with that, I withdraw from the Main Page arguments and leave it in the rest of the Wiki's capable hands. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 16:29, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)

== STUFF and Fun Facts ==

As you may have read I have an issue with the [[HRWiki:STUFF|STUFF]] page. I am very glad someone has spearheaded an attempt to control the "fun fact" problem, but I still think that the voting and discussion for disputed Fun Facts should be made on the article's talk page and not on the STUFF page.

If a controversial article like [[Wikipedia:History of Israel]] can exist on the Wikipedia by using the Talk page and without resorting to a common page voting system, I think the Homestar Wiki article [[virus]] can too.

Now that we have people's attention with the [[HRWiki:STUFF|STUFF]] page I suggest that we move content discussion back to the Talk pages where they belong.

I have created a preliminary template:disputed

It reads as follows:{{disputed}}

This could be used to let contributors know that there is a dispute, and to direct them to the talk page. The Disputed Fun Facts link should go to a page with the info that [[User:furrykef |furrykef]] wrote on what is and is-not a good fun fact.

People were not using the talk pages effectively in the past, which is a failure of us the users, not of the talk pages.

-[[User:Drhaggis|[[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]]]] 16:35, 26 Nov 2004 (MST)

:I completely agree that talk pages are not effectively used by our users. I did read your comment on the talk page and did like some parts of it.

:You mentioned there that the popularity of the "Stuff" page is typical of a sloppy discussion forum and not an article based reference guide. I indeed was amazed at all the users who were very interested in voting. It appears that a quick vote and comment is much easier than proposing fixes and improvements.

:You also presented the idea that this problem inherent mostly because the Homestar Runner Universe is finite. I completely agree. I also believe this is why some users, instead of improving on articles that already exist, create very small articles for very fringe elements of said universe. While I don't think that the [[Stool]] article may be one of these, I'm not entirely interested in proposing other examples at this time.

:While this may not be the time or place to discuss your other comment on that talk page about proper classification, I believe it would be important to address that issue with whichever system is accepted for the dealing with fun facts.

:As [[User:furrykef|Kef]] noted in his reply to your comment, the STUFF process was loosely based on Wikipedia's Votes for Deletion process. I do like Wikipedia's VfD process and have participated in it in the past, but as you may notice we don't have a system like this for dealing with the deletion of pages because we are so small. It works for Wikipedia but would simply would not work for us.

:Throughout my travels around Wikipedia, I have seen several pages with notices like the one on the [[Wikipedia:History of Israel]] page. While I don't believe the scale of discussions here will every reach such a level as that, I am willing to investigate the possibility of using such a system.

:If we were to adopt your proposal, I would want some sort of centrally located instruction page. As you mention, this could contain some of Kef's rules from the STUFF page. I'd also want it to list all the pages that are currently going through the process.

:Of course, your proposal is in direct conflict with the current STUFF system, which the users seems to have latched on to. I like your proposal, but I'm interested in hearing how you would implement it given the current circumstances.

:Thank you for being bold enough to propose an alternative.

:[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:13, 26 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Image Use Policy ==

Hi, I was just wondering about the special page "[[Special:Image_use_policy|Image Use Policy]]", accessable from the [[Special:Upload|Upload Page]]. It doesn't seem to have anything on it. Is there any way to fix that? [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 18:35, 7 Dec 2004 (MST)

:Good find. I've changed the link so that it goes to [[HRWiki:Image use policy]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:58, 8 Dec 2004 (MST)

::Thanks, I'll get to work on that a bit later. Maybe cut and paste something from Wikipedia and go from there. In other news, were you aware that somebody turned the [[Floppy Disk Container]] into a redirect? Is this allowed? Do you condone this? If so, I'm sorry that I kind of hijacked your pride and joy and turned it into my own. I'll make it up to you, somehow... [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:25, 14 Dec 2004 (MST)

:::I did notice that redirect and decided to not do anything about it. And the only thing we have now regarding images is what is in the [[HRWiki:Standards#Screenshot|screenshot section]] on the Standards page.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:15, 14 Dec 2004 (MST)

==Things Noticed Page==
I didn't know there was a fansite wiki, but thanks for telling me! Sorry if I was being to rude about things noticed... -- [[User:Guy27|Guy27]] 12:02, 20 Dec 2004 (MST)

==Poor Images==
''[In reply to a comment on [[User_talk:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf#Poor_images|User_talk:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf]]]''

Yeah, hi. You asked how I made those pictures? Well, I have a screenshot program that only makes Jpegs (which I later save as PNG's), so you can see why the quality would be poor. 'Cause, you know, Jpegs are poor quality. Oh, and I like how you are constanly using [http://www.wikipedia.org WikiPedia] links.
---[[User:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf|Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf]] 22:58, 23 Dec 2004 (MST)

:Yeah, [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] links are great. I'm curious as to what "screenshot program" you use. What operating system are you running? I know Windows captures raw image files to the clipboard with a simple push of the "print screen" key. These can be used in any image editing program, like the [[Wikipedia:Free software|free]] [http://www.gimp.org/ the GIMP]. They turn out much better than [[:Image:Kobe 1-4.png|other]] [[:Image:Kobe 2-4.png|images]] [[:Image:Kobe 2-4.png|you uploaded]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:52, 24 Dec 2004 (MST)
:''[Cross posted at [[User_talk:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf#Poor_images|User_talk:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf]] at 17:54, 24 Dec 2004 (MST)]''

I use this thing called [http://www.screenshot-utility.com/ Screenshot Utility] as my, quote unquote, "screenshot program", if that's what you call those things. But anyway, I'm trying to download a new [http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/9220 "program of shots of screens"], but the downloading bar's been stuck at 77% for like, 10 minutes, so, I dunno.

==About blocking==

Hello, Tom! I don't mean to interfere with anything, but I noticed that you blocked 24.1.84.103 for defacing the Main Page when it looks like s/he was restoring it from another troll (and then it was trolled again by that "logan" kid).

Anyway, I really admire the work you've been doing on this Wiki. Gweat job...I mean, gweat job...I mean, gweat job. --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 20:41, 27 Dec 2004 (MST)

:Yeah man, that's my bad. Thanks. It's been fixed.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:48, 27 Dec 2004 (MST)

==Re: Rejects cat==

Just got your message. The reason I started the "project" is because, from my view, the Rejected Characters should be flagged not only from the Rejects page, but from their article itself. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 21:26, 28 Dec 2004 (EST)

:Your concern is understandable, but the whole "rejects" thing really isn't to Drhaggis and my liking. However I'm mostly at a loss at how to classify these things, but I'll ask Drhaggis, as putting things into categories is his speciality.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:33, 28 Dec 2004 (MST)

:I think the "Rejects" page should be deleted. If we as a community have deemed a character or item "article worthy" we simply create the article and categorize it accordingly. I think "Rejects" are a hold over from the old Wiki that is not served by the capabilities of the new Wiki. There are few truly "Rejected" things; [[Dijjery-Doo]] for example was rejected by [[TBC]], but he has still popped up in [[for kids]].
: The Characters/Items/Places categories are a bit big, and can be grouped into sub categories. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 12:51, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)

::Okay, sounds reasonable enough to me. However, how do you think we can go about this with minimal damage to the egos of those responsible for said Rejects? And I sure don't want anything to get lost.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:14, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)

:I think we just need to delete the "Rejects" list. All the things that were previously deamed to be rejected already have articles so no data is lost, just the well done "...are a waste of time" banners on the page. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 13:23, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)

::Whoa! Those things really ''are'' all categorizied. Okay, the page has been deleted, and all article links to it have been removed.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:36, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)

== Rejected Halloween Costumes Task ==

Hi Tom! Thunderbird here again, with a special task for a few of my fellow users. On the [[Sketchbook]] page, in the [[Sketchbook#In The Museum|Museum]] section of that page, the last picture is a bunch of rejected halloween costume ideas. The caption gives the challenge '10 bucks to anyone who can identify them all'. So what I propose is to identify them all. I've already set up a basic 'top left to bottom right' type list under the 'Description' section, with the two most obvious costumes in it. But can we get the other costumes, and win ourselves $10? Any costumes you know would be a help. Thanks. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 02:14, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Update: The good Doctor Haggis was far faster with that task than I could have ever expected. All the costumes are done with the exception of one: The full body [[Marzipan]]. Many think that she is in fact Belle from Beauty & the Beast, but we're not quite sure about that. What are your thoughts? Any better ideas as to who this mystery Marzipans could be, or even just your opinion as to weather or not she's Belle? [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 12:11, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Stu... ==

Any idea where [[User:Stu|Stu]] has been? →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:Yeah, I do. But you can ask him yourself. His email address is in his profile on the forum, or you could use the [[Special:Emailuser/Stu|MediaWiki user email thing]] if you have it set up correctly.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:52, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)

::Okay. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

== SsSp ==

I'd say [[SsSp]] passed the test. :-) --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 23:36, 4 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Indeed. Hmm...[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:21, 6 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Glitch Template ==

Sorry about that! I was just experemeting w/ overflows, and It turned out that FF coulndent handle it. I didnt know how to deleat it! Firefox crashed while atempting to view it. Also, why dont they have protection on user pages? Couldend a WikiTroll Distroy sombodys page? How do i set <nowiki>→[[User:firefocman|''<tt>[[User:firefoxman|FireFox Man]]</tt>'']]</nowiki> As my siggi?
Thanks,
→[[User:firefocman|''<tt>[[User:firefoxman|FireFox Man]]</tt>'']]

:The Wiki can be edited by any person, but defacement never lasts. And here are [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Preferences#Your_nickname the instructions] to change your signature.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:31, 10 Jan 2005 (MST)

User:demonweeping

Firefoxman — Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:32:40 GMT

Firefoxman:

Insert Main Page Here

User talk:demonweeping

Firefoxman — Sun, 16 Jan 2005 16:32:18 GMT

Firefoxman:

== Welcome to Homestarrunner.net, Its Dot Commmmmm... ==

No, realy,
Welcome to the H*R Wiki. Hope you like it here, and stick around.

:Here are some tips to help you get started:

:*Have a look at the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Index MediaWiki User's Guide].
:*If you need help, post a question on the [[HRWiki_talk:FAQ|discussion page]] for the [[HRWiki:FAQ|FAQ]].
:*Read the [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]] of the Wiki.
:*Remember that above all else, this is a collaborative knowledge-base dedicated to [[Homestar Runner]].
:*Explore, and be sure to have fun!

-[[User:firefoxman|ΩLucas]]

HRWiki:Sandbox

Firefoxman — Sat, 15 Jan 2005 22:29:14 GMT

Firefoxman:

{{sandbox}}

User talk:Dark Falcon

Firefoxman — Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:13:29 GMT

Firefoxman: /* Welcome to Homestarrunner.net, Its Dot Commmmmm... */ Welcome, Youev been welcomed!

User talk:Trogga

Firefoxman — Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:09:05 GMT

Firefoxman:

User talk:Trogga

Firefoxman — Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:08:48 GMT

Firefoxman: Welcome to Homestarrunner.net, Its Dot Commmmmm...

No, realy,
Welcome to the H*R Wiki. Hope you like it here, and stick around.

:Here are some tips to help you get started:

:*Have a look at the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Index MediaWiki User's Guide].
:*If you need help, post a question on the [[HRWiki_talk:FAQ|discussion page]] for the [[HRWiki:FAQ|FAQ]].
:*Read the [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]] of the Wiki.
:*Remember that above all else, this is a collaborative knowledge-base dedicated to [[Homestar Runner]].
:*Explore, and be sure to have fun!

-[[User:firefoxman|ΩLucas]]

== Welcome to Homestarrunner.net, Its Dot Commmmmm... ==

No, realy,
Welcome to the H*R Wiki. Hope you like it here, and stick around.

:Here are some tips to help you get started:

:*Have a look at the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Index MediaWiki User's Guide].
:*If you need help, post a question on the [[HRWiki_talk:FAQ|discussion page]] for the [[HRWiki:FAQ|FAQ]].
:*Read the [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]] of the Wiki.
:*Remember that above all else, this is a collaborative knowledge-base dedicated to [[Homestar Runner]].
:*Explore, and be sure to have fun!

-[[User:firefoxman|ΩLucas]]

User talk:Trogga

Firefoxman — Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:08:28 GMT

Firefoxman: Welcome to Homestarrunner.net, Its Dot Commmmmm...

Main Page

Firefoxman — Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:58:14 GMT

Firefoxman: Added sign up line

Welcome to the '''Homestar Runner Wiki''', a collaborative knowledge-base dedicated to the [[Homestar Runner (flash cartoon)|Homestar Runner Flash cartoon]]s created by [[The Brothers Chaps]]. We are currently working on [[Special:Statistics|{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}]] articles.

If this is your first time here, you can read up about this place at the [[HRWiki:About|About the Homestar Runner Wiki]] page, and any questions you may have you can ask in the [[Help:Contents|Help Desk]]. We hope you decide to stick around!

For ideas on where you can start helping, check the [[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]] and [[HRWiki:Cleanup|Clean Up]] pages. To learn how to start editing the wiki, read the [[Help:Editing|how-to]] page first, and then practice editing pages in the [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]. Also, it helps us if you [[Special:Userlogin|Sign up]] because this will alow us to recognize you when you return.
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===Knowledge Base===
'''What's New?''' [[H*R.com updates]] — the most recent updates to homestarrunner.com

*[[Toons]]
**[[Strong Bad Email]]
**[[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]
**[[Teen Girl Squad]]
** [[Powered by The Cheat]]
** [[Puppet Stuff]]
** [[Holiday Toons]]
*[[Games]]
*[[Characters]]
*[[Places]]
*[[Items]]
*[[Downloads]]
*[[Store]]
*[[Email]]
*[[Legal]]
*[[Main Pages]]
**[[Quote of the Week]]
**[[Weekly Fanstuff]]
**[[Sketchbook]]
*[[Museum]]
*[[Songs]]
*[[Secret Pages]] that are currently not accessible from any page on the official site.
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===Wiki Stuff===
*[[Special:Listusers|List of registered wiki users]]
*[[Links]] to other pages about Homestar Runner.
*[[Quotes]] that Homestar characters have said.
*[[Glossary]] of terms used on Homestar Runner.
*[[Inside Jokes]]
*[[Sightings]]: Pop-culture sightings of H*R stuff.
*[[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]]: Interested in contributing to the Wiki or transcribing toons? Read this first.
*[[HRWiki:Ledger|Ledger]] of donations and payments for the wiki.
*[[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]] we're currently working on.
*[[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]: Play around and learn how to edit pages.
*[[HRWiki:Select The Usable Fun Facts|Select The Usable Fun Facts (STUFF)]]: Dedicated to separating the good fun facts from the bad.
*[[HRWiki:WikiTroll|WikiTroll]]: Definition and known offenders.
*[[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]]: The HRWiki Welcoming committee, dedicated to welcoming and helping out new members.

|} __NOTOC__ __NOEDITSECTION__

Interview

Firefoxman — Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:56:31 GMT

Firefoxman:

*Interview is a [[Strong Bad Email]] about [[Homsar]]
*The Interview is a [[Toons|short]] with Strong Bad and Homestar.

{{stub}}

Fanstuff

Firefoxman — Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:55:42 GMT

Firefoxman:

*Fanstuff is a section in the [[Museum]] showcasing a few examples of things sent in by fans.
*Weekly Fanstuff is a weekly updated feature on the site showcasing an item sent in by a fan.

{{stub}}

Fanstuff

Firefoxman — Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:55:10 GMT

Firefoxman:

*Fanstuff is a section in the [[Museum]] showcasing a few examples of things sent in by fans.
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]] is a weekly updated feature on the site showcasing an item sent in by a fan.

User:Firefoxman

Firefoxman — Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:53:56 GMT

Firefoxman:

__NOTOC__
<table align="left" id=toc style="width: 160px; margin:5px;">
<tr align="center"><td>'''[[User:firefoxman|FireFox Man]]'''</td></tr>
<tr align="center"><td style="border-top:1px solid green;">
''[[User Talk:firefoxman|Talk]]''</td></tr>
<tr align="center"><td style="border-top:1px solid green;text-align:center;">[[Special:Newpages|New pages]] | [[HRWiki_talk:FAQ|FAQ]] | [[HRWiki:WikiTroll|WikiTroll]] </td></tr></table>

Good afternoon. I am firefoxman, but but call me Lucas. I am a WikiTroll Repairer. I have the main page on auto-reload every 20 sec, so I dont miss a beat.

User talk:Firefoxman

Firefoxman — Sat, 15 Jan 2005 01:53:14 GMT

Firefoxman: I WANTED IT THAT WAY!

User:Firefoxman

Firefoxman — Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:59:00 GMT

Firefoxman:

__NOTOC__
<table align="left" id=toc style="width: 160px; margin:5px;">
<tr align="center"><td>'''[[User:firefoxman|FireFox Man]]'''</td></tr>
<tr align="center"><td style="border-top:1px solid green;">
''[[User Talk:firefoxman|Talk]]''</td></tr>
<tr align="center"><td style="border-top:1px solid green;text-align:center;">[[Special:Newpages|New pages]] | [[HRWiki_talk:FAQ|FAQ]] | [[HRWiki:WikiTroll|WikiTroll]] [[Template:MainPage1|MainPage Temp]]</td></tr></table>

Good afternoon. I am firefoxman, but but call me Lucas. I am a WikiTroll Repairer and usualy try to change pages in a way that makes it easeyer for us to fix pages, and harder for trolls to mutalate them. I have the main page on auto-reload every 20 sec, so I dont miss a beat.

HRWiki:Welcoming committee

Firefoxman — Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:56:03 GMT

Firefoxman: /* Members */

Welcome to the Welcoming Committee of the [[Main Page|Homestar Runner Wiki]].

== Who We Are ==
The welcoming committee is a group of people who kindly greet new users and help them get started (if needed). If you want to help out, the most obvious thing you can do is post welcome messages and be friendly and helpful with new users you meet. The easiest way to identify new users is from the [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]] list. The new user's username or talk page will be red because they haven't been created, yet. Once you're on the user page, you can click "User contributions" on the sidebar to see how many edits they've done. Also be sure to check the history of the talk page to verify that no one has already welcomed them (they may have deleted the first welcome message).

Note that joining the committee confers neither responsibilities nor privileges, but members are expected to do some welcoming — we don't want to simply clutter up this page with member names. You should also have a basic technical understanding of the wiki so that you can answer any questions an inexperienced user might have. When welcoming, you should be careful not to bite the newcomers (don't '''"YELL"''', etc.).

Below is a list to which you can sign your name if you want to join our group.

== Standards for Welcoming ==

A good welcome message should be around the lines of

----
{{Welcome}}

''(Your signature, and "The Homestar Runner Welcoming Committe")''

----

You get the idea. Be as kind and welcoming as possible and answer any questions they might have.

Please try to center the welcome up there. You don't have to follow it exactly; you can rearange it, reword it, whatever - but '''please include the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Index MediaWiki User's Guide], [[HRWiki:Standards]], [[HRWiki:FAQ]] and [[Help:Editing]] pages.'''

== Members ==
''(Please remember only to join if you plan to do some Welcoming)''

*[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]
*[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]]
*[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]
*[[User:The Paper|The Paper]]
*[[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]
*[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]]
*[[User:fahooglewitz1077|fahooglewitz1077]]
*[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]]
*[[User:Ooy|Ooy]]
*[[User:Happy|Happy]]
*[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]
*[[User:firefoxman|Lucas]]

User talk:slash

Firefoxman — Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:49:27 GMT

Firefoxman:

{{Welcome}}
--[[User:firefoxman|ΩLucas]], Part of the HRWIKI Welcoming committe

User talk:Tom

Firefoxman — Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:22:21 GMT

Firefoxman:

__NOTOC__
==Jones being funny==
Yarr!! - [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 23:05, 16 Jul 2004 (MST)

==Seethroo with some questions==
Heya, [[User:Tom|Tom]]. Do you ever check this thing?
What's goin' on with the Wiki? It seems to be going nuts. ~ [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]

:Yes, I do. And yeah, it's under some strain right now. Crazy. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:51, 2 Aug 2004 (MST)

Cool, cool. I'm gonna be able to help move stuff tonight. [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]

:Sweet. I appreciate it. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:41, 3 Aug 2004 (MST)

Hey, is there any particular reason I CANNOT get onto Recent Changes on the oldschool wiki? It's seriously gettin' on my nerves. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:03, 6 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I'm guessing it's just the mySQL overload we've been experiencing. Yeah, bummer. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:05, 6 Aug 2004 (MST)

Woah. I added a pantload...but there are still some organizational things that need to be hammered out...I guess check the comments I made in various places...I'm tired... -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 23:11, 6 Aug 2004 (MST)

HOLY CRAP! Who're all those people blocked from this wiki??? I didn't know you were doin' that much blocking already! - [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:34, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Yeah, those are open proxies. You can see the note [[Template:BlockedProxy|here]] and Joey's and my discussion of the topic [[Template talk:BlockedProxy|here]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:47, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

----

I wanted to do that for old times sake. Anyway, I kinda discovered something to make transferring things much easier. If you take the code from 'Tavi pages, put em in Word, and then do a ctrl-f, you can have it replace all the parentheses with brackets. Doing things that way, I can get all my links straightened out before I even put the text in MediaWiki. Just sharing... -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:44, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Yeah, I do the same thing, except I use TextPad. It helps a bunch. Mostly. Just have to be a little careful. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:48, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

::How're all my edits and transfers? Is there something wrong that I'm doing that I need to be aware of? (did I just say "doing"? -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:54, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::You, my friend, are doing a great job. You're really keeping things moving along. Keep up the good work. I'm seriously thinking you are the man right about now. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:24, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

==Note from Firebird==

Just wanted to say thanks for all the work put into the move. Great Job! -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:You're welcome. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:08, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Redirects ==

Tom: I'm seeing some deletion of redirect pages on the deletion log. It looks like most of those pages will not be missed, but it does help to have some "common" misspelling articles redirect to the proper article. This is not for sloppy linking , as no pages SHOULD link to a redirect page. This is for people who come to the site, punch in a name into the search box and are taken to the correct page.

There is always some debate over what constitutes a common misspelling. I created a redirect from Whats her face to What's her face. This seems useful to me. Let me know what you think about this. [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 15:42, 15 Sep 2004 (MST)

:I agree. The ones I've been trying to catch are old links that were not fixed correctly during the move. Things like "MainPage 10" that were used instead of "[[Main Page 10]]" becuase of CamelCase on 'Tavi. The person who created that redirect then went ahead and created one for "MainPage 11", even though nothing linked there. I don't see the need for 21 pages to be created like this. Another example is "sbemail1" and its companions. There isn't a need for that.

:Of course, you also have to remember that we turned on case-sensitivity. That means that "[[What's Her Face]]" and "What's her Face" are also two completely different pages. I'd rather that a link show up in red and someone pick up on their mistake right away then have them continue to make links to redirect pages. But I suppose it would be very hard to keep a lid on things like this once we get going. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:55, 15 Sep 2004 (MST)

::Oh, Contraire! I have often wanted to be able to quickly type "sbemailxx" into the search box to find something quickly. I agree that old camel case links should be removed, but I see nothing wrong with shortcut redirects for the lazy. (I was actually thinking of adding these the other day, then stumbled across this thread. Sorry I'm a little late joining the discussion.) :) --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 22:37, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

==Note from Jones==
''[copied and pasted from [[User:Tom]]]''

I'm just so sick of you being at the top of [[Special:Wantedpages]]. So there. Now you're unwanted. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 07:49, 3 Sep 2004 (MST)

:Thanks Jones. I feel so loved. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:08, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

==Notes from Maudi==
''[both were copied and pasted from [[User:Tom]]]''

Thank God that you made it, Tom! Thank God! -Maudi Algabban

:I agree! -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:08, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

Hey, Tom! Have you listened to "Dragostea din tei" with Haiducii or O-Zone? They're from Romania. -Maudi --[[User:193.150.221.247|193.150.221.247]] 16:28, 19 Sep 2004 (MST)

:Sorry, I have to admit that I still haven't. Have you made a userpage yet? Heh heh. But seriously, I know there's [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=193.150.221.247 some stuff] that needs to be attributed to you by being on your userpage. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:08, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Note ==

Oh geez, man, it looks like I disambiguated a page you deleted. Took too long doing it, I guess. I'm really sorry about that. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 19:40, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

:No problem, I can just re-delete it. And I appreciate you leaving this note. It makes me feel good. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:41, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Oh Man ==
''[In reply to a comment from [[User_talk:Thunderbird_L17]]]''

All that work... I'm really sorry. I was trying to figure out why all my pics looked slightly off. Oh well. I've switched over now. I just wish I hadn't deleted them as I went along... Oh well. I think I'm still doing ok for only being here about a week. Again, my apolagies. And they'll all be PNG from now on. Btw, if you could provide me with a list of the JPG pictures I uploaded, I could replace them in my spare time. Thanks.

-Thunderbird

:Hey, no problem. Here's a [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Thunderbird_L17 good place] to get started. Then there's always the [[Special:Imagelist|Image List]]. I think that might work best. And I can come up with a better list if you need it. And I'm glad you can see the difference. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:03, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)

UPDATE:

Topic Complete.

All of my uploaded JPG files are now PNG. Took a bit of doing, but it's done.

== Sebastian Coe ==

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Coe 
''He first ran against Ovett in Prague in 1978 in an 800 meter race that neither won. The next year in Oslo, Norway, '''Coe set his first world records''' (in the 800-meter and '''mile races'''). One of the most famous races between Ovett and Coe was in the 1980 Olympic Games in the 1500-meters. Coe won in Olympic Record time.''

=== Further References ===
From http://www.geocities.com/hotsprings/3257/coe.html 
''He beat Ovett's mile record, running it in 3 min 48.53 sec on August 19; only a week later '''Ovett set another mile record, which was then shattered by Coe''' with a 3 min 47.33 sec run on August 28.''

Here are some of his times in the mile: 
''mile <nowiki>3'48''95</nowiki> 1979 Wr (Oslo)'' 
''mile <nowiki>3'48''53</nowiki> 1981 Wr (Zurich)'' 
''mile <nowiki>3'47''33</nowiki> 1981 Wr (Bruxelles)'' 
Note: Wr stands for World Record.

One final reference: http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/World%20record%20progression%20for%20the%20mile%20run 

And a quote from you; 
:''"Hmm. [Coe] didn't really run the mile. And he never had the world record."'' 
Could you please cite your references?? As far as I can tell, he not only ran the mile, he also held the world record on ''three'' seperate occasions.[[User:Hobophobic|<nowiki>~</nowiki>Hobo]]

::Um, my bad. But you did notice that I changed my edit after that edit you quoted me on, right? And that I was being particularly ambigious in my wording? Anyway, you are right. No hard feelings. Thank you. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:13, 22 Sep 2004 (MST)

:So, were you gonna change it back then? [[User:Hobophobic|<nowiki>~</nowiki>Hobo]]

::Done. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:13, 23 Sep 2004 (MST)
:Thanks [[User:Hobophobic|<nowiki>~</nowiki>Hobo]]

== Idea ==

How about desktop background downloads for the wiki? Anyone who wanted to create one could, then e-mail one of the admins the image. Then the admin, if approved, could upload it into the wiki images. It's just an idea, but I like the sound of it. I'd love to have an HRwiki background. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:Hmm. I don't think so. The problem is this, the Wiki is just for information. If you want to make something on your own and then have it somewhere that you could link to from your userpage, that would be better. See, we kind of tread on this uneasy ground with copyrights and the like. Not only that, but there's also the content issue. I know a background that you would make would most likely be good and wholesome for the Wiki and for Homestar Runner, but I wouldn't want to encourage other not-as-good backgrounds to be made. You are always free to make your own backgrounds, keep them to yourself, use them on your computer, and do what ever you want with them.
:As of right now, I'll say this: I don't think you will ever have an official Homestar Runner Wiki background. But I'll ask around and see what I can do. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:43, 22 Sep 2004 (MST)

::That's fine with me. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

== Floppy Disks ==

Since you apparently look after the floppy disk section mostly, I figured you would be the best person to ask. How do you feel about a picture of the floppy disk container and it's label beside every listing of it in the inside jokes section? I would be happy to complete that undertaking if you approve. Also, is there anywhere else I could add some pictures? I'm finished the rejects section.

-Thunderbird_L17

:[http://old.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=Floppy+Disk+Container%2FStrongBadEmailDiskLabels Floppy Disk Container/StrongBadEmailDiskLabels]. Check it out. The problem is this: the Wiki is text-based, and information provided through text makes things much easier to search and quicker to load. I'm not really sure that having a screenshot of every different one is needed. Why would it need to be seen by the viewer? Could they simply watch the toon or email instead? One thing that really needs to be done regarding The Container is having the links to the page standardized. Every Fun Facts section on every email and toon that has The Container in it should link to the Floppy Disk Container page in a uniform way. You could get started on that, if you want. And then there's what the disks actually reference. There's a subpage of the Old Wiki page on that needs to be copied over and gone through with a fine-tooth comb.
:Regarding the images, you kind of need to convince me why they are actually needed. Thanks for asking though, this has really gotten me thinking. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:31, 22 Sep 2004 (MST)

Well since you already have the list of where the disk case occurs, it should be easy to find the toons to put the link in. I'll get on it later. As far as the floppy images go, I don't think they're NEEDED per-say, but I think it would be kinda cool. It lets people really VISUALIZE the floppys. They would be really small pics too, not full screen. But if you don't want them I won't put them there. As for other pics though, I have been kind of going through the sites putting pictures on everything, if you don't like any of them, feel free to take them off. I just think that any character, object, or place does need a picture to really visualize what the afforementioned thing is. Most of the pages I did only have one or two pics, with the exceptions of The [[King of Town's Castle]] place page, and the [[Tandy_400]] computer page. I kinda may have gone overboard on those ones. Look 'em over and decide. The [[Monkey_D]]'s page also have a few. If you don't like them you can fix them how you see fit. But the widescreen pic in [[Strong_Bad's_Basement]], I'm really proud of that pic. It took me awhile. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 22:24, 22 Sep 2004 (PST)

:Those four pages that you linked to are good. And that basement image is especially good. In some places, it borders on the line of being to much, but I think you played it well. They also could use some small tweaks, but that will all come in good time. As for The Floppies, I think you can make a seperate section on the page for the images and organize them in a table. I actually have all the images, and I can upload them later if you want to use them. (I use them for [http://members.lycos.co.uk/tfpreuss/avatar/avatar.php my avatar] on the forum.) What do you think of that? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:11, 23 Sep 2004 (MST)

Okay, it's up and running..ish. Access it from the regular floppy list. If you have the images, feel free to upload them. Any that you don't have, or don't feel like uploading, I can them. Just upload what you want, and I'll do the rest. Oh, and how do you feel about the naming of images in the Floppy_*name_of_e-mail*.PNG uniformity? You can name then however you want, but I think there should be some form of uniformity in naming the image files. Just tell me if this is okay, and if you're done uploading the images you want. Also, they should all be fullscreen screenshots, right?

[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 11:10, 27 Sep 2004 (PST)

Alrightie. Update on the floppy disk container. I've been slowly working away at the Floppy disk container with screenshots page, no help needed there, but as I do so I realized another thing missing from the floppy disk container section, and an actual USEFUL thing, is a breif description and history of the games listed on the floppy disk containers. So that being said, I'm also plugging away at that in my little corner of the floppy disk page. If you would like the commentaries on the main floppy disk page too, which I think would be useful, please let me know so that I can add them to both pages as I go along. No rush though, it'll probably be a few weeks before I'm finished researching them and all. Let me know if you think this would be an improvement to the floppy disk page though. Generally I don't ask permission for editing things, but since you're the senior and keeper of the floppy disk container, I thought it was only fair to ask you. So what are your thoughts?

[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 9:45, 6 Oct 2004 (PST)

:I do like the information on what the labels mean, and I wouldn't really call them commentaries. They are all pretty clear cut. Let's see how big they get and then play it from there. Keep them on that screenshot page for now, I don't want to violate [[HRWiki:Once And Only Once]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:44, 7 Oct 2004 (MST)

Hiho. I've run into a roadblock doing the pics. In the e-mail 'lackey', how did you read, let alone get a picture, of the CD case? It's off the screen! Please let me know, or if you have the pic, simply save it as Floppy_lackey.PNG . Please let me know either way whenever. Thanks.

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 10:37, 11 Oct 2004 (PST)

:I used a program called [http://www.flash-decompiler.com/ Flash Decompiler]. It's a free download, so you might want to give it a try. Though I wasn't able to export the actual image, I was able to read the text. But you might have better luck than I did.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:41, 11 Oct 2004 (MST)

Sorry, I don't like treating you like an FAQ, I just have ONE last question. (Probably)...
I have the program, but how do you get the file onto it? It seems like you can only decompile files on your harddrive. Is this so? If it is, how do you get a flash file (SB E-mail Lackey) onto your hard drive? If it isn't, how do you get it from the interent? Last question, probably. I promise. Likely.

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 7:33, 13 Oct 2004 (PST)

:Down the bottom of each toon's or email's page, there's a link for the flash file. Just right click and choose "Save Link As..." or your browser's equivalent.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:57, 14 Oct 2004 (MST)

Thanks, I got it. What do you think of my floppy for Lackey? It's the best I could do... Anyways, I wanted to ask you about the once and only once policy. Though I agree that it's a good policy, I think that the 'see above' thing destroys the look of the summaries, especially once they are all finished. Plus, 'Manhunter New York' appeared in an e-mail at the top, then a toon way at the bottom. So it would be kind of hard to just say 'see above'. Plus since the picture is repeated, why not the explanation? You are the moderater, and whatever you decide I'll abide by, but in this case, since it's only for about 4 floppies, a number that's not likely to be increased, could I just repeat the explanations?

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 6:28, 15 Oct 2004 (PST)

:You know, I do like the idea of having the information on both. Let's try using a tempate instead. Do you think that will work?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:33, 15 Oct 2004 (MST)

Template? I don't know much about website formating or whatnot. Basically everything I do on the Wiki I learn by looking at how somebody else wrote a code, and then copying that pattern. But if you think the template or whatever will work, go ahead. You were right about floating the pictures to the left, making it into tables, all that kind of thing. Just do what you want, and if I disagree I can always revert. But overall I'm happy with what you do. Does this mean that I can put the repeat explanations on the few pictures though, instead of 'see above'?

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 23:49, 15 Oct 2004 (PST)

:Okay, here's what I did. I created [[Template:tongue of the fatman]], [[Template:lode runner]], and [[Template:manhunter new york]]. Check out the page to see if you like it. Now, there's only one place you need to go in order to change the content that will show up for both floppies.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 07:41, 16 Oct 2004 (MST)

Okay, that works. I don't really plan on editing them much anyways anymore, once the summary is there. But it looks exactly the same, so it's fine. Btw, I fixed the out of place 3.5 inch disk summary, I found a place for it where it fits nicely. Now nothing has two explanations, and the 5.25 inch disks don't have the same summary twice. (See Second 5.25 Inch Disk Summmary)

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 9:09, 16 Oct 2004 (PST)

:Very good. Well done.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:10, 16 Oct 2004 (MST)

Hey, can you do the same to Cave Quest (100th e-mail) that you did to Shogun? I can't get it the right size without it pixelating...

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 18:33, 17 Oct 2004 (PST)

:Heh heh. I already did. You can revert back to my image from [[:Image:Floppy flashback.PNG|here]] if you like.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:42, 17 Oct 2004 (MST)

Hey Tom, I thought JPG format was to be used for videos and pictures, and PNG for all flash material. Plus I think the JPG looked clearer and brighter. If you really don't want it there, then I'll try another way, but I thought I read somewhere that JPG was preferable for pictures, just not for flash. Is the one JPG really that bad? Please clarify. Thanks.

[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 06:30, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

:Ah ha. There's a little catch here though. We are talking about a screenshot of a movie or image, and not the actual image itself. Screenshots should always be PNGs. The only kinds of JPGs we should have are photos like [[:Image:TheBrothersChapsBandW.jpg]] or [[:Image:mattchapman.jpg]]. Perhaps an screenshot like [[:Image:puppetdween.png]] better illustrates what I'm trying to say.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:35, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

Okay, I getcha. Then I guess I'll just put it back on the old PNG one for now. Thanks. I guess if anything, it adds diversity...

[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 19:08, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

Alright, I think it's finally done. I have one more little task though that I can't complete on my own. The three templates, Template:manhunter_new_york , Template:lode_runner , and Template:tongue_of_the_fatman are now unneeded, and as such should be deleted, right? I can't figure out how to. If you know of a way, be my guest. Or should they just be left peacefully, until the end of time? -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 09:40, 1 Nov 2004 (MST)

Sorry, I was just going to get breakfast when I finished my summary, and when I finished it I realized there was a stored version that wasn't there when I started. I didn't have time to merge them so I just uploaded mine, and I was going to merge them when I got the chance, which is now. I did notice the picture though, and already put it up. Sorry about that, I don't want to offend anyone. I'm going to merge them right now. I just figured if I put mine in quickly yours is still stored as a past edit, so that way they're both there if needed. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 12:21, 15 Nov 2004 (MST)

Actually, I never thought about NPOV. While I was doing all this, I used reviews as sources, it's easier to just take the opinions of the writers and condence them. But I think that meathod has given the summaries a multi purpose, to now give you a bit of background about the game for curiosity's sake, but also as a type of mini review, for those who are deciding whether or not to find and play them. It gives the summaries a critical and reviewish type feel. Now to go back and do them all NPOV'D would take some doing, and in my opinion I don't think would be as enjoyable to read. What do you think?
'''Side Note:''' Since they replaced the 5.25's along with the Tandy, do you think they might replace the 2.5's with CD's along with the comp? I dunno, just a curious little observation.

--[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 15:05, 15 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Return the fanstuff! ==
I'd like a promise to agree to let me bring back the fanstuff. It doesn't make the wiki complete without it.--[[User:No Loafing V2|No Loafing]] 16:34, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)

:Joey has already [[User_talk:JoeyDay|replied to this demand]]. Fanstuff is [[HRWiki:About|not approved]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:11, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)
then im leaving. GOOD BYE!--[[User:No Loafing V2|No Loafing, who will only be on the forum from now on.]] 04:57, 1 Oct 2004 (MST)

Wow. What a crybaby. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:43, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

I second that. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 09:42, 1 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Rollbacks ==

Exactly how do you roll a page back to its previous version? I've attempted to do this in the past, and I still haven't figured out how. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 19:28, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)

:A very good question. I just fixed up the instructions on the [[WikiTroll]] page yesterday. Check 'em out.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:32, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)

== First time Here? on Log in ==

Is there anyway to link to the [[Hrwiki:About|about]] page on a log in page? It seems that people don't read that page, and it might help new users who log in? Do you agree? -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:Hmm, that's a pretty good idea. I'll look into that. But what might even be better is if we had some sort of [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Welcoming_committee|welcoming committee]]. Would you want to be in charge or something like that?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:55, 7 Oct 2004 (MST)

::I think it would be great if we had a welcoming committee (and I wouldn't mind being in charge). -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:::Fantastic, I'm happy to hear it. Just look over what Wikipedia does. We don't need all that stuff, but I'm sure you'll find a way to adapt it for us.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:50, 7 Oct 2004 (MST)

::::Should I make a page for our own little welcome committee? -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:::::Yeah, [[Hrwiki:Welcoming committee]] should work nicely. You're in charge, buddy.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:58, 7 Oct 2004 (MST)

== SB Email categories ==

I moved the [[:Category: Strong Bad Email]] as a sub-category of [[:Category: Strong Bad Filmography]]. All the emails were in both categories when technically all SB Emails are part of his filmography by default. It cleans up the Strong Bad filmography nicely and keeps the all the emails grouped together. There is only one email that SB is not in, but due to this arrangement will still be included in his filmography, but taking the IMDB as a guide, if someone guest hosts the "Late Show with David Letterman" it is called "Late Show Backstage", but it still shows up on Dave’s filmography. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 09:01, 12 Oct 2004 (MST)

:Personally I don't think this really makes sense. An email that Strong Bad is not in should not be in his Filmography, despite what IMDb does. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

::I agree. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:::I also found it a bit confusing. Strong Bad, Homestar, and Marzipan are in all of [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]s, but I don't think that should be a sub-category of any one of their filmographies. I think it would not be confusing to have every email be directly in Strong Bad's Filmography, except [[anything]], just how it was. It would also be less confusing for someone just looking at any email and thinking to themselves, "Oh, this one isn't listed in Strong Bad's Filmography", since it does not show up directly on the page as it is now with the subcategory. That's really what it comes down to, that [[:Category: Strong Bad Filmography]] does not show up on the emails. Oh, and the "anything" thing too.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:56, 12 Oct 2004 (MST)

:::Funny, the IMDB is a suitable guide to determine the precedent for a voice over. To me the Filmography categories are proving to be more trouble then they are worth and a misapplication of the original intent of the category structure. I understand wanting an automatically generated list for the 12 main characters that show up in everything, but it seems from all the other character pages that the Wiki users are more than capable of manually tracking the appearances of even the most obscure psudo-characters.

The stucture:
<pre>Character->Filmography->Strong Bad Filmography->Strong Bad Email</pre>

:::makes a lot of sence to me. SB is in all but one email, which can be explained by a note. If having 100+ emails cluttering the SB filmography and being unnessicarily duplicated in the email list and in the email category doesnt bother you, then it wont bother me.

:::I guess I should get going on [[:Category: Biscuit Dough Hands Man Filmography]] while I'm at it. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 12:15, 12 Oct 2004 (MST)

::::Your presentation just now does make a bit of sense. I'll have to see what others think. Though on that other issue, as I understood it, the filmography categories were never supposed to be extended beyond the 12 main characters. Somewhere along the line, this was not explained well enough and the whole thing took off. I think there's over fifty filmographies now. I'd be happy to draw a line somewhere. ([[:Category:The_Alien_Guy_Filmography]]?)[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:24, 12 Oct 2004 (MST)

== Thank you!!!!!!!1111oneone ==

Thank You x 1 Billion [[User:Hobophobic|<nowiki>~</nowiki>Hobo]]

:Hey, no problem.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:07, 15 Oct 2004 (MST)

== Help Page ==

I'm confused on where to post questions in the [[Help:Contents|help]] section. Do we post it on the FAQ Discussion page or somewhere on the Main Page of the help section? -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:The [[HRWiki_talk:FAQ|discussion page of the FAQ]]. Discussion and "talking" should never really be on a page. The headings on the [[Help:Contents|help]] page were set up by me back in late July and we never really fleshed them out. I'll fix it now. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:20, 19 Oct 2004 (MST)

No Problem. And Thanks. -- [[USer:FireBird|FireBird]]

==Notes from The Mysterious Stranger==
Hello, Tommy-boy. I'm back, and in buisiness.
-- [[User:Mysterious-Stranger|Mysterious-Stranger]]

==Subpages==
If there are subpages, we should use them. Anybody agree? (You have too or else, TOM!)--[[User:No Loafing|No Loafing]] 05:31, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

No. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:Subpages are useful, but only for the right kinds of stuff, like adding an archive to a cluttered talk page, or some ''temporary'' user space separate from the rest of your user space for, say, a rewrite of a page. - [[User:furrykef|[[User:furrykef|furrykef]] ([[User_talk:furrykef|Talk at me]])]] 09:56, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Who's In Charge Of The Main Page Anyways? ==

Hiho. I'm not getting much of a response on the [[Talk:Main Page|Main Talk Page]], so I figured I'd go straight to the source, assuming that the source(s) are moderators. Anyways, here's my question. Who's in charge of the Main Page, not so much the look of it, I don't really care about that, but moreso the organization of the links to pages. Now I'm no moderator, but I was curious as to why the links are organized the way they are. Why are Inside Jokes part of Wiki Stuff, Yet Songs part of Knowledge Base? I've been thinking about the layout, and I belive I've figued out a good way of sortage, and am hoping for either a yes or a no. Either one, as long as I can maybe get some kind of explanation as to why they're sorted the way they are, should the answer be a no. Anyhoo, without further ado, I give you my sorting idea...

Basically it consists of the Knowledge Base containing ONLY the things listed on the H*R main page(s), and putting everything left over into Wiki Stuff. It would look something like this, and would have the added bonus of evening the two sections out, leaving External Links on the bottom...

(The Knowledge Base Stuff)

* [[Toons]]
** [[Strong Bad Email]]
** [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]
** [[Teen Girl Squad]]
** [[Powered By The Cheat]]
** [[Puppet Stuff]]
** [[Holiday Toons]]
* [[Games]]
* [[Characters]]
* [[Downloads]]
* [[Store]]
* [[Email]]
* [[Legal]]
* [[Main Pages]]
** [[Weekly Fanstuff]]
** [[Quote of the Week]]
** [[Sketchbook]]
* [[Museum]]
* [[Secret Pages]]

Then this to the right of it: (Perhaps the first part even in an additional section?)

* [[Places]]
* [[Items]]
* [[Songs]]
* [[Quotes]]
* [[Glossary]]
* [[Inside Jokes]]
* "Rejects"
(Perhaps another section here?)
* [[Special:Listusers|List of registered wiki users]]
* [[Links]]
* [[Sightings]]
* [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]]
* [[HRWiki:Ledger|Ledger]]
* [[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]]
* [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]
* [[WikiTroll]]
* [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]]

Then the external links in another catergory. Is there any problem with this layout? The idea behind it is that the first section are your main ingrediants, and the second one is things that you can make out of them. I just belive that things such as Rejects and Inside Jokes should be in the same catergory as things such as songs and items. Any answer to this would be much appreciated, and then I'll shut up about it. Thanks alot Tom. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 02:33, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

:I'm not really sure. Your line of thinking makes sense, however I'm thinking it is our system of classification that really seems to be the issue. Inside Jokes? Rejects? What the heck are those really? Things need to be clearly defined and a system needs to be implimentated to classify things.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:57, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)

Hmmm... Thats a good point. Okay, well at least keep my organizational idea in mind as you go about implementing the changes. And with that, I withdraw from the Main Page arguments and leave it in the rest of the Wiki's capable hands. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 16:29, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)

== STUFF and Fun Facts ==

As you may have read I have an issue with the [[HRWiki:STUFF|STUFF]] page. I am very glad someone has spearheaded an attempt to control the "fun fact" problem, but I still think that the voting and discussion for disputed Fun Facts should be made on the article's talk page and not on the STUFF page.

If a controversial article like [[Wikipedia:History of Israel]] can exist on the Wikipedia by using the Talk page and without resorting to a common page voting system, I think the Homestar Wiki article [[virus]] can too.

Now that we have people's attention with the [[HRWiki:STUFF|STUFF]] page I suggest that we move content discussion back to the Talk pages where they belong.

I have created a preliminary template:disputed

It reads as follows:{{disputed}}

This could be used to let contributors know that there is a dispute, and to direct them to the talk page. The Disputed Fun Facts link should go to a page with the info that [[User:furrykef |furrykef]] wrote on what is and is-not a good fun fact.

People were not using the talk pages effectively in the past, which is a failure of us the users, not of the talk pages.

-[[User:Drhaggis|[[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]]]] 16:35, 26 Nov 2004 (MST)

:I completely agree that talk pages are not effectively used by our users. I did read your comment on the talk page and did like some parts of it.

:You mentioned there that the popularity of the "Stuff" page is typical of a sloppy discussion forum and not an article based reference guide. I indeed was amazed at all the users who were very interested in voting. It appears that a quick vote and comment is much easier than proposing fixes and improvements.

:You also presented the idea that this problem inherent mostly because the Homestar Runner Universe is finite. I completely agree. I also believe this is why some users, instead of improving on articles that already exist, create very small articles for very fringe elements of said universe. While I don't think that the [[Stool]] article may be one of these, I'm not entirely interested in proposing other examples at this time.

:While this may not be the time or place to discuss your other comment on that talk page about proper classification, I believe it would be important to address that issue with whichever system is accepted for the dealing with fun facts.

:As [[User:furrykef|Kef]] noted in his reply to your comment, the STUFF process was loosely based on Wikipedia's Votes for Deletion process. I do like Wikipedia's VfD process and have participated in it in the past, but as you may notice we don't have a system like this for dealing with the deletion of pages because we are so small. It works for Wikipedia but would simply would not work for us.

:Throughout my travels around Wikipedia, I have seen several pages with notices like the one on the [[Wikipedia:History of Israel]] page. While I don't believe the scale of discussions here will every reach such a level as that, I am willing to investigate the possibility of using such a system.

:If we were to adopt your proposal, I would want some sort of centrally located instruction page. As you mention, this could contain some of Kef's rules from the STUFF page. I'd also want it to list all the pages that are currently going through the process.

:Of course, your proposal is in direct conflict with the current STUFF system, which the users seems to have latched on to. I like your proposal, but I'm interested in hearing how you would implement it given the current circumstances.

:Thank you for being bold enough to propose an alternative.

:[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:13, 26 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Image Use Policy ==

Hi, I was just wondering about the special page "[[Special:Image_use_policy|Image Use Policy]]", accessable from the [[Special:Upload|Upload Page]]. It doesn't seem to have anything on it. Is there any way to fix that? [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 18:35, 7 Dec 2004 (MST)

:Good find. I've changed the link so that it goes to [[HRWiki:Image use policy]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:58, 8 Dec 2004 (MST)

::Thanks, I'll get to work on that a bit later. Maybe cut and paste something from Wikipedia and go from there. In other news, were you aware that somebody turned the [[Floppy Disk Container]] into a redirect? Is this allowed? Do you condone this? If so, I'm sorry that I kind of hijacked your pride and joy and turned it into my own. I'll make it up to you, somehow... [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:25, 14 Dec 2004 (MST)

:::I did notice that redirect and decided to not do anything about it. And the only thing we have now regarding images is what is in the [[HRWiki:Standards#Screenshot|screenshot section]] on the Standards page.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:15, 14 Dec 2004 (MST)

==Things Noticed Page==
I didn't know there was a fansite wiki, but thanks for telling me! Sorry if I was being to rude about things noticed... -- [[User:Guy27|Guy27]] 12:02, 20 Dec 2004 (MST)

==Poor Images==
''[In reply to a comment on [[User_talk:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf#Poor_images|User_talk:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf]]]''

Yeah, hi. You asked how I made those pictures? Well, I have a screenshot program that only makes Jpegs (which I later save as PNG's), so you can see why the quality would be poor. 'Cause, you know, Jpegs are poor quality. Oh, and I like how you are constanly using [http://www.wikipedia.org WikiPedia] links.
---[[User:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf|Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf]] 22:58, 23 Dec 2004 (MST)

:Yeah, [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] links are great. I'm curious as to what "screenshot program" you use. What operating system are you running? I know Windows captures raw image files to the clipboard with a simple push of the "print screen" key. These can be used in any image editing program, like the [[Wikipedia:Free software|free]] [http://www.gimp.org/ the GIMP]. They turn out much better than [[:Image:Kobe 1-4.png|other]] [[:Image:Kobe 2-4.png|images]] [[:Image:Kobe 2-4.png|you uploaded]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:52, 24 Dec 2004 (MST)
:''[Cross posted at [[User_talk:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf#Poor_images|User_talk:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf]] at 17:54, 24 Dec 2004 (MST)]''

I use this thing called [http://www.screenshot-utility.com/ Screenshot Utility] as my, quote unquote, "screenshot program", if that's what you call those things. But anyway, I'm trying to download a new [http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/9220 "program of shots of screens"], but the downloading bar's been stuck at 77% for like, 10 minutes, so, I dunno.

==About blocking==

Hello, Tom! I don't mean to interfere with anything, but I noticed that you blocked 24.1.84.103 for defacing the Main Page when it looks like s/he was restoring it from another troll (and then it was trolled again by that "logan" kid).

Anyway, I really admire the work you've been doing on this Wiki. Gweat job...I mean, gweat job...I mean, gweat job. --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 20:41, 27 Dec 2004 (MST)

:Yeah man, that's my bad. Thanks. It's been fixed.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:48, 27 Dec 2004 (MST)

==Re: Rejects cat==

Just got your message. The reason I started the "project" is because, from my view, the Rejected Characters should be flagged not only from the Rejects page, but from their article itself. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 21:26, 28 Dec 2004 (EST)

:Your concern is understandable, but the whole "rejects" thing really isn't to Drhaggis and my liking. However I'm mostly at a loss at how to classify these things, but I'll ask Drhaggis, as putting things into categories is his speciality.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:33, 28 Dec 2004 (MST)

:I think the "Rejects" page should be deleted. If we as a community have deemed a character or item "article worthy" we simply create the article and categorize it accordingly. I think "Rejects" are a hold over from the old Wiki that is not served by the capabilities of the new Wiki. There are few truly "Rejected" things; [[Dijjery-Doo]] for example was rejected by [[TBC]], but he has still popped up in [[for kids]].
: The Characters/Items/Places categories are a bit big, and can be grouped into sub categories. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 12:51, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)

::Okay, sounds reasonable enough to me. However, how do you think we can go about this with minimal damage to the egos of those responsible for said Rejects? And I sure don't want anything to get lost.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:14, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)

:I think we just need to delete the "Rejects" list. All the things that were previously deamed to be rejected already have articles so no data is lost, just the well done "...are a waste of time" banners on the page. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 13:23, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)

::Whoa! Those things really ''are'' all categorizied. Okay, the page has been deleted, and all article links to it have been removed.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:36, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)

== Rejected Halloween Costumes Task ==

Hi Tom! Thunderbird here again, with a special task for a few of my fellow users. On the [[Sketchbook]] page, in the [[Sketchbook#In The Museum|Museum]] section of that page, the last picture is a bunch of rejected halloween costume ideas. The caption gives the challenge '10 bucks to anyone who can identify them all'. So what I propose is to identify them all. I've already set up a basic 'top left to bottom right' type list under the 'Description' section, with the two most obvious costumes in it. But can we get the other costumes, and win ourselves $10? Any costumes you know would be a help. Thanks. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 02:14, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Update: The good Doctor Haggis was far faster with that task than I could have ever expected. All the costumes are done with the exception of one: The full body [[Marzipan]]. Many think that she is in fact Belle from Beauty & the Beast, but we're not quite sure about that. What are your thoughts? Any better ideas as to who this mystery Marzipans could be, or even just your opinion as to weather or not she's Belle? [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 12:11, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Stu... ==

Any idea where [[User:Stu|Stu]] has been? →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:Yeah, I do. But you can ask him yourself. His email address is in his profile on the forum, or you could use the [[Special:Emailuser/Stu|MediaWiki user email thing]] if you have it set up correctly.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:52, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)

::Okay. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

== SsSp ==

I'd say [[SsSp]] passed the test. :-) --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 23:36, 4 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Indeed. Hmm...[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:21, 6 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Sysop ==

How does one become a Sysop? It would be nice to be able to ban some Trolls. *chuckles* -[[User:firefoxman|Ω Lucas]] 15:23, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

HRWiki:WikiTroll

Firefoxman — Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:18:25 GMT

Firefoxman: Undid template

A WikiTroll is a person who purposefully defaces a document on a wiki. There are a few methods in place for dealing with WikiTrolls.

==How to revert a page==
Any page can be reverted back to a previous version. Here's how:
*''sysop:'' Simply click "history" at the top of the page you wish to roll back. Position the radio buttons at the current version and the version you want to roll back to, then click "Compare selected versions". Next, click the "rollback" link near the upper right side of the page (directly to the right of the most recent author's name).
*''non-sysop:'' Simply click "history" at the top of the page you wish to roll back. Then click on the time and date of the archived version you want to revert back to. The page will appear with the version indicated at the top of the page, just underneath the page title. Next, click "edit" at the top of the page. Add a note in the Summary box that you are reverting the page because of a troll, and then click "Save page".

After repeated defacings, an offender's IP address can be blocked by [[Special:Listadmins|several users]] who have admin rights. These admins pay careful attention to this page, and will [[Special:Ipblocklist|block]] IP addresses where/when appropriate.

== Known Offenders ==
If you see any suspicious, defamatory, or objectionable behavior by any individuals on our wiki, please add their IP address to the list following the same format as the example shown below. For our purposes, an "offense" is defined as the defacement of a single document of our wiki.

''Now, this table format might be a bit confusing, so if you can't figure it out, just toss the date, IP address, and pages defaced down at the bottom of the page and someone will fix it for you. We're flexible like that.''

=== Example ===
{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! Date !! IP Address and Contributions !! Pages defaced !! Description
|-
| 12/13/2004 || [[User:127.0.0.1|127.0.0.1]] ([[Special:Contributions/127.0.0.1|all edits]]) || [[Main Page|Page Defaced]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=1 actual edit] || Description of dastardly deed.
|}

== Offenders ==

{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! Date !! IP Address and Contributions !! Pages defaced !! Description
|-
| Sept 26, 2004 || 24.45.209.62 || || defaced [[Main Page]], [[Homsar Main Page]], [[comic]], [[pom pom]], and [[User:M.J|M.J]]. [[Special:Ipblocklist|Blocked]].

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| Sept 26, 2004 || 65.40.125.112 || || defaced [[Bubs' Concession Stand]], [[Strongbadia]], [[Strong Bad's Basement]], [[Computer Room]], [[The Stick]], [[Free Country, USA]] and [[Crazy Go Nuts University]].

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| Sept 27, 2004 || User gokugod || || defaced [[Main Page]].

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| Sept 29, 2004 || 209.66.200.41 || || defaced [[Talk:Main Page]]

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| Oct 2, 2004 || 82.36.184.209 || || defaced [[Dangeresque]]

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| Oct 4, 2004 || 65.95.109.254 || || added profanity to [[HRWiki:Sandbox]]

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| Oct 4, 2004 || 4.62.191.117 || || added profanity to the [[Main Page]].

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| Oct 5, 2004 || 211.26.31.96 || || deleted Fun Facts from [[other days]] and [[time capsule]], defaced [[time capsule]]

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| Oct 8, 2004 || 64.12.116.23 || || trolled [[Quotes]]

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| Oct 9, 2004 || 205.188.116.75 || || added pointless comment to [[Main Page]]

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| Oct 10, 2004 || 144.138.69.175 || || added pointless Fun Fact to [[time_capsule]]

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| Oct 12, 2004 || 68.100.148.11 || || - Replaced all text in the [[HRWiki:Sandbox]] with a link to the "page" '''ALL IS ON! FEEL IT FEEL IT FEEL IT FEEL IT!'''

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| Oct 13, 2004 || 4.130.51.240 || || Removed much of the material from [[Quotes]] that he apparently didn't like.

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| Oct 13, 2004 || 24.5.201.84 || || Removed the [[Main Page]], and trolled... the WikiTroll section

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| Oct. 14, 2004 || 194.83.70.7 || || Added mature content to [[Senor Mortgage]], [[Main Page]] and [[Marshmallow's Last Stand (toon)]]

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| Oct. 16, 2004 || 69.138.144.59 || || Created fake "Television Show" page

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| Oct. 16, 2004 || 24.129.85.150 || || Trolled [[Glossary]]

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| Oct 16, 2004 || 148.85.1.101 || || Vandalized [[HRWiki:About]]

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| Oct 17, 2004 || 24.117.133.95 || || Added profanity to [[Characters]]

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| Oct 19, 2004 || 67.169.0.163 || || Immature addition in Fun Facts on [[sibbie]].

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| Oct 19, 2004 || 212.159.79.225 || || Trolled [[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]

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| Oct 20, 2004 || 210.84.225.173 || || Added rude comment to [[Legal]]

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| Oct 22, 2004 || 69.169.241.169 || || Trolled [[Main Page]]

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| Oct 22, 2004 || 163.11.255.34 || || Blanked and trolled [[Dangeresque]]

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| Oct 22, 2004 || 67.71.126.207 || || Defaced [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 1]]

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| Oct 22, 2004 || 24.205.80.66 || || Trolled [[halloweener]] and [[HRWiki:Sandbox]]

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| Oct 22, 2004 || 80.46.168.155 || || Immature addition to [[Talk:Senor Mortgage]]

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| Oct 22, 2004 || 64.170.153.190 || || Trolled [[Cheap as Free]], [[Peasant's Quest]], and the [[Main Page]]

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| Oct 24, 2004 || 68.32.157.188 || || Trolled [[TROGDOR!]]

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| Oct 24, 2004 || 68.8.236.2 || || Defaced [[duck pond]]

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| Oct 25, 2004 || 68.166.4.182 || || Created [[Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 5]] and made profane comments.

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| Oct 25, 2004 || 4.26.82.103 || || Trolled [[Super Kingio Brothers]], [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 10.2]], and [[Isle of Pom]]

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| Oct 25, 2004 || 68.122.211.97 || || Trolled [[Under Construction]]

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| Oct 26, 2004 || 221.219.56.212 || || Added pointless links to [[Main Page]]

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| Oct 27, 2004 || 217.44.14.69 || || Added unecessary punctuation and pointless comment to [[Strong Bad Email]]

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| Oct 29, 2004 || 68.19.0.41 || || Created "The Simpsons" page

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| Oct 31, 2004 || 24.15.215.193 || || Defaced [[Main Page]], [[Toons]] and [[Halloween Fairstival]].

|-
| Oct 31, 2004 || 66.110.238.52 || || Defaced [[ghosts]]

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| Oct 31, 2004 || 61.49.205.19 || || Trolled [[labor day]]

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| Nov 1, 2004 || 69.179.54.246 || || Defaced [[Nighttime Driving Type Game]] by adding profanity to the Easter Egg transcript.

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| Nov 1, 2004 || 69.179.49.9 || || Defaced [[Dangeresque]]

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| Nov 3, 2004 || 68.85.13.60 || || Trolled [[HRWiki:Sandbox]]

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| Nov 3, 2004 || 24.17.148.102 || || Trolled User:spellchecka

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| Nov 4, 2004 || 67.22.38.69 || || defaced [[labor day]]
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| Dec 5, 2004 || 67.22.38.69 || || defaced [[Fortune Cookies]]
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| Nov 4, 2004 || 63.226.185.4 || || Trolled [[Legal]] and made several nonsense pages

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| Nov 4, 2004 || 68.54.103.157 || || Deleted portions of the [[Main Page]] and [[Strong Bad Email]]

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| Nov 5, 2004 || 70.66.38.178 || || Trolled [[Main Page]] and [[Everybody Knows It]]

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| Nov 8, 2004 || 172.129.239.114 || || Deleted everything in [[Help:Contents]] and [[Powered by the Cheat]], deleted portions of [[Peasant's Quest Walkthrough]]

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| Nov 8, 2004 || 24.29.154.89 || || Trolled [[Pom Pom's girls]]

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| Nov 9, 2004 || 24.58.8.134 || || Trolled [[Stickly Man]], [[:Category:Main Characters]], and [[Experimental Film]]

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| Nov 10, 2004 || 12.202.201.107 || || Defaced [[Main Page]]

|-
| Nov 10, 2004 || 70.66.255.177 || || Added spam to [[Kobe|Kobe #1]]

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| Nov 12, 2004 || 170.222.38.239 || || Trolled [[japanese cartoon]]

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| Nov 13, 2004 || 221.219.63.133 || || Added spam to [[strongbad_email.exe]] and [[cheat talk]], and tons of other stuff, including this very page!

|-
| Nov 13, 2004 || 24.186.127.154 || || deleted large portions of "Rejects" page.

|-
| Nov 16, 2004 || 163.150.15.182 || || Trolled [[Main Page]] by adding "homsar woot woot" and a broken image link.

|-
| Nov 16, 2004 || 12.203.172.52 || || Trolled [[Main Page]] multiple times.

|-
| Nov 18, 2004 || 82.156.72.59 || || Created [[Fhqwhgads (karaoke)]], [[Dangeresque (karaoke)]], [[Nite Mamas (karaoke)]], and [[Trogdor! (karaoke)]] and placed profanity and offensive statements on the pages.

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| Nov 18, 2004 || 156.63.181.3 || || Replaced [[Main Page]], [[Talk:Main Page]] with one word, and [[Strong Bad Email]], and [[Talk:Strong Bad Email]] with no words.

|-
| Nov 18, 2004 || 151.197.42.190 || || Added rude comment to [[Day at the Park]]

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| Nov. 14, 2004 || 68.205.174.253 || || Defaced "Cheat" in [[Sightings]] by adding a fictional statement

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| Nov 19, 2004 || 211.147.232.81 || || Defaced Main Page

|-
| Oct 13, 2004 || 135.214.66.241 || || Added a talk page to [[gimmicks]] consisting of little but rather explicit descriptions of mature content.
|-
| Nov 19, 2004 || 135.214.66.241 || || Deleted content on the [[Main Page]], replacing it with a very rude comment.

|-
| Nov 20, 2004 || 12.203.198.152 || || Added a terrible comment to [[Craig Zobel]].

|-
| Nov 20, 2004 || User [[User:SonicTailsKnuckles|SonicTailsKnuckles]] || || Defaced 12.203.198.152's [[User_talk:12.203.198.152|talk page]] with personal insults, added spam to [[Main Page]] then deleted it

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| Nov 20, 2004 || 199.5.155.193 || || Created [[Ryan Sterritt]] page and added rude comment

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| Nov 21, 2004 || 210.90.223.227 || || Added unneccesary external links to "Rejects" page

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| Oct 16, 2004 || 65.33.113.215 || || Added fake dialogue to the [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 11.2]] transcript
|-
| Nov 21, 2004 || 65.33.113.215 || || Created "Puppet Homestar Runner" page, added characters to [[Puppet Time]] and [[Puppet Jam: Tropical Lazor Beams]] that don't appear in them, added fake dialogue to the [[virus]] transcript

|-
| Nov 21, 2004 || 68.105.254.252 || || Created page "The weather in London" (that isn't supposed to be created)

|-
| Nov 21, 2004 || 69.209.117.90 || || Trolled [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]'s userspace

|-
| Nov 22, 2004 || 69.14.27.229 || || Added "Matt is so cool" to [[Fluffy_Puff_Malloweens|Fluffy Puff Malloweens]]

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| Nov 22, 2004 || 66.245.193.136 || || Defaced [[virus]] and severely defaced [[pom pom]]

|-
| Nov 22, 2004 || 24.85.74.202 || || Defaced [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]

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| Nov 22, 2004 || 128.205.249.1 || || Trolled the [[Main Page]] twice

|-
| Nov 22, 2004 || 24.107.93.135 || || Created page "The weather in London" (that isn't supposed to be created)

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| Nov 22, 2004 || 151.204.132.244 || || Deleted most of [[Quote of the Week]], trolled [[Senor Cardgage]]

|-
| Nov 22, 2004 || 205.118.81.5 || || Trolled [[The Brothers Chaps]] many times.

|-
| Nov 23, 2004 || 84.25.127.67 || || Created "No Loafing" and "Scroll Button Songs" pages with junk in them, defaced [[Strong Badman]], trolled [[User Talk:Stu]], and defaced [[Strong Bad Email]].

|-
| Nov 24, 2004 || User ryanasaurus007 || || Put unneeded comment on [[Main Page]]

|-
| Nov 24, 2004 || 69.141.187.126 || || Put a bad external link and ad on top of [[Main Page]].

|-
| Nov 24, 2004 || 68.0.169.215 || || 'Dillon' Trolled [[Strong Bad Email]] and [[Main Page]].

|-
| Nov 24, 2004 || 151.199.230.174 || || Trolled [[Pom Pom]]

|-
| Nov 24, 2004 || 213.249.155.235 || || Trolled [[:Image:the cheat.PNG]]

|-
| Nov 24, 2004 || 141.152.152.111 || || Changed "Decemberween" to "Novemberween" on [[Litigation Jackson]].

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| Nov 26, 2004 || 69.138.8.79 || || Added very profane comment to the [[Peasant's Quest Walkthrough]].

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| Nov 26, 2004 || 66.208.4.69 || || Defaced [[Main Page]].

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| Nov 27, 2004 || 69.240.123.103 || || Replaced most of [[Holiday Toons]] with "YOUR SITE IS BROKEN"

|-
| Nov 28, 2004 || 66.74.199.62 || || Defaced a section on [[Thy Dungeonman]].

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| Nov 28, 2004 || 203.227.166.71 || || Trolled [[Main Page]]

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| Nov 28, 2004 || 203.227.166.74 || || Trolled [[making out]]

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| Nov 29, 2004 || 216.120.190.137 || || Severely defaced [[Main Page]]

|-
| Nov 29, 2004 || 68.192.99.51 || || Trolled the [[Main Page]]

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| Nov 29, 2004 || 131.247.157.11 || || Blanked [[Peasant's Quest Walkthrough]]

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| Nov. 30, 2004 || 219.137.110.229 || || Added random and useless links to [[Main Page]].

|-
| Dec 1, 2004 || 24.166.217.163 || || Trolled [[stunt double]], created "blank page", "blargidy borfs", and "sjkergshkergh" pages. Also trolled the [[Main Page]], but reverted his trolling.

|-
| Dec 1, 2004 || 156.34.216.176 || || Added rude comment to [[Naked Ned]]

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| Dec 1, 2004 || 24.164.250.43 || || Created "tgies" page

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| Dec 2, 2004 || 68.8.170.118 || || Defaced [[Strong Bad Email]]

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| Dec 2, 2004 || 165.161.3.12 || || Blanked image and large section of [[Cold One]]
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| Dec 3, 2004 || 165.161.3.12 || || Deleted paragraph of [[Cold One]], again

|-
| Dec 3, 2004 || 65.41.171.114 || || Personally attacked [[User:Cheatasaurusrex]] by putting "I am a stupid guy" in the black space.

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| Dec 3, 2004 || 24.154.200.247 || || Placing derogatory marks on [[Talk:Main Page]]

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| Dec 3, 2004 || 129.2.222.251 || || Removed a section on [[HRWiki:About]]

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| Nov 7, 2004 || 24.225.134.107 || || Defaced [[Main Page]] and added horrible comment to [[Toons]], but removed his/her comment in Toons.
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| Dec 4, 2004 || 24.225.134.107 || || Trolled [[User:Happy|Happy]]'s userspace four times (left horrible comments three times, deleted a large portion of the page once)
|-
| Dec 4, 2004 || 24.225.134.107 || || Changed "Decemberween" to "Christmasween" in [[The Best Decemberween Ever]].

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| Dec 4, 2004 || 213.151.155.71 || || Added a degrading comment to [[:Image:trogdor.png]]

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| Dec 6, 2004 || 66.177.44.46 || || Trolled [[HRWiki:Select The Usable Fun Facts]] twice
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| Dec 6, 2004 || 66.177.44.46 || || Created user page with foul language

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| Dec 6, 2004 || 68.39.170.49 || || Added "har har har" to [[HRWiki:About]].

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| Dec 7, 2004 || 152.163.100.203 || || Defaced [[Strong Bad Email]].

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| Dec 7, 2004 || 65.117.156.222 || || Defaced [[Strong Bad Email]] and [[Main Page]].

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| Dec 7, 2004 || 66.117.231.96 || || Removed the <nowiki>{{sandbox}}</nowiki> template from [[HRWiki:Sandbox]]

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| Dec 7, 2004 || 69.138.8.79 || || Added unneccesary comment to [[Main Page 22]]

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| Dec 7, 2004 || 61.49.205.85 || || Spammed [[cheatday]] and created twenty useless pages devoted to his/her spam.

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| Dec 7, 2004 || 156.63.21.14 || || Vanalized [[Main Page]]

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| Dec 9, 2004 || 142.177.79.134 || || Added keyboard mashings to [[army]].

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| Dec 9, 2004 || 66.167.217.47 || || Created worthless [[Wilbur]] page

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| Dec 9, 2004 || 219.134.99.206 || || Spammed Main Page and [[HRWiki talk:FAQ]].

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| Nov 10, 2004 || 69.136.111.77/[[User:daunrealist|daunrealist]] || || Trolled [[User Talk:FireBird]] twice by adding "I am dumb" and "I spelled Mozzillaa and grammar wrong", but then removed comments.
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| Dec 11, 2004 || 69.136.111.77/[[User:daunrealist|daunrealist]] || || Added rude and insulting comment to [[User Talk:FireBird]]. ("I don't like you.")

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| Dec 11, 2004 || 63.236.237.238 || || Trolled [[User:FireBird|Firebird]]'s user page by deleting it and talk by rewording it.

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| Dec 11, 2004 || 69.161.182.112 || || Added a false Linking Rule to the [[Links]] Page.

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| Dec 11, 2004 || 24.0.103.137 || || Spammed [[animal]].
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| Dec 12, 2004 || 24.0.103.137 || || Spammed 30+ pages, including [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Sad]], [[The Cheat]], and [[Strong Bad]] several other biography pages similarly. Also spammed [[Help:Contents]], [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]], and the [[Main Page]] repeatedly

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| Dec 2, 2004 || 129.100.206.107 || || Trolled [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac's]] user page by adding "I'm a dork. A huge dork and loser. DELORTED!"

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| Jan 3, 2004 || 134.71.53.147 || || Went into [[HRWiki:WikiTroll]] and deleted everything after the sample troll report, throwing in the phrase "omg pwnage!" like a 14-year-old gamer/hacker wannabe. We have to figure out how to block this IP. Doesn't look like it's his first attempts, according to the history.
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! Date !! IP Address and Contributions !! Pages defaced !! Description
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| 12/13/2004 || [[User:24.197.22.58|24.197.22.58]] ([[Special:Contributions/24.197.22.58|all edits]]) || [[HRWiki:About]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki%3AAbout&diff=26619&oldid=26618] || Added "say werd" to the About page.
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| 12/13/2004 || [[User:24.190.163.199|24.190.163.199]] ([[Special:Contributions/24.190.163.199|all edits]]) || [[HRWiki:Sandbox]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki%3ASandbox&diff=26627&oldid=26626] || Removed header at the top of the [[HRWiki:Sandbox]].
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| 12/13/2004 || [[User:70.240.248.4|70.240.248.4]] ([[Special:Contributions/70.240.248.4|all edits]]) || [[Matt Chapman]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Matt_Chapman&diff=26487&oldid=26380] (15 edits) || Drastically defaced [[Matt Chapman]].
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| 12/13/2004 || [[User:65.117.156.222|65.117.156.222]] ([[Special:Contributions/65.117.156.222|all edits]]) || [[Main Page]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=26891&oldid=26887], [[Strong Bad Email]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Strong_Bad_Email&diff=26892&oldid=26888] || Defaced [[Strong Bad Email]] and [[Main Page]] for a second time. Last time was on Dec 7th.
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| 12/13/2004 || [[User:142.177.108.145|142.177.108.145]] ([[Special:Contributions/142.177.108.145|all edits]]) || [[super powers]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=super_powers&diff=27021&oldid=27011] || Added "DOUGLAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" to Fun Facts in [[super powers]].
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| 12/15/2004 || [[User:61.145.130.190|61.145.130.190]] ([[Special:Contributions/61.145.130.190|all edits]]) || [[Main Page]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=27194&oldid=27189] || Defaced [[Main Page]] with advertisement.
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| 12/15/2004 || [[User:70.17.153.105|70.17.153.105]] ([[Special:Contributions/70.17.153.105|all edits]]) || [[Decemberween Sweet Cuppin' Cakes]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Decemberween_Sweet_Cuppin%27_Cakes&diff=27280&oldid=27271] || Trolled with "virus" quote, followed by "LOL!"
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| 12/15/2004 || [[User:68.104.169.110|68.104.169.110]] ([[Special:Contributions/68.104.169.110|all edits]]) || [[Main Page]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&curid=5&diff=27369&oldid=27368] || Defaced several pages, including the [[Main Page]].
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| 12/16/2004 || [[User:66.51.194.61|66.51.194.61]] ([[Special:Contributions/66.51.194.61|all edits]]) || [[extra plug]] || Added his name to many a places in the transcript.
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| 12/16/2004 || [[User:134.9.15.38|134.9.15.38]] ([[Special:Contributions/134.9.15.38|all edits]]) || [[Peasant's Quest Walkthrough]] || Removed the inventory section and added "No Way!"
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| 12/16/2004 || [[User:24.22.102.26|24.22.102.26]] ([[Special:Contributions/24.22.102.26|all edits]]) || [[Whaddya Know, Haddi-Man?]] || Added nonsense
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| 12/16/2004 || [[User:69.154.209.207|69.154.209.207]] ([[Special:Contributions/69.154.209.207|all edits]]) || [Image:sbemail50.PNG][http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=sbemail50.PNG&curid=2622&diff=27735&oldid=27732] || Trolled [Image:sbemail50.PNG].
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| 12/16/2004 || [[User:199.126.157.20|199.126.157.20]] ([[Special:Contributions/199.126.157.20|all edits]]) || [[Peasant's Quest Walkthrough]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Peasant%27s_Quest_Walkthrough&curid=3090&diff=27739&oldid=27737] || Removed "DRESS like a peasant" in [[Peasant's Quest Walkthrough]].
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| 12/16/2004 || [[User:68.184.255.94|68.184.255.94]] ([[Special:Contributions/68.184.255.94|all edits]]) || [[User:83.88.139.108]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/User:83.88.139.108], [[Homsar Runner]][http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Homsar_Runner]|| Created two pages apparently meant to troll users.
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| 12/16/2004 || [[User:199.126.35.93|199.126.35.93]] ([[Special:Contributions/199.126.35.93|all edits]]) || [[Main Page]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&curid=5&diff=27782&oldid=27779], [[User:TheRealZajac]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:TheRealZajac&curid=4010&diff=27780&oldid=27776], [[Whaddya Know, Haddi-Man?]][http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Whaddya_Know%2C_Haddi-Man%3F&curid=3880&diff=27766&oldid=27763][[User:70.17.153.105]][http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:70.17.153.105&oldid=27764] || Trolled several pages including the [[Main Page]], added obscenities to [[User:TheRealZajac]], also threatened the site [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:TheRealZajac&oldid=27785](riiiiight...).
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| 12/17/2004 || [[User:216.120.190.30|216.120.190.30]] ([[Special:Contributions/216.120.190.30|all edits]]) || [[Main Page]], [[Strong Bad Email]], and WikiTroll || Defaced all three pages
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| 12/17/2004 || [[User:69.152.199.12|69.152.199.12]] ([[Special:Contributions/69.152.199.12|all edits]]) || [[3 wishes]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=3_Wishes&diff=27953&oldid=27947] || Deleted page
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| 12/17/2004 || [[User:64.63.232.186|64.63.232.186]] ([[Special:Contributions/64.63.232.186|all edits]]) || [[User:Mr. Strong Bad]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User%3AMr._Strong_Bad&diff=0&oldid=28071] || Created and added gibberish to page
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| 12/18/2004 || [[User:24.95.42.131|24.95.42.131]] ([[Special:Contributions/24.95.42.131|all edits]] [[HRFWiki:Special:Contributions/24.95.42.131|all edits on fanstuff wiki]]) || Several pages on the [[HRFWiki:Main Page|Fanstuff Wiki]]; [[Strong Mad's Room]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Strong_Mad%27s_Room&diff=28440&oldid=28433], [[HRWiki:Projects]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki%3AProjects&diff=28445&oldid=28441], [[HRWiki:Cleanup]][http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki%3ACleanup&diff=28443&oldid=28439], [[Main Page]][http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=28446&oldid=28444] || Trolled several pages, including making rude and very obscene comments. Should be blocked.
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| 12/18/2004 || [[User:68.10.80.125|68.10.80.125]] ([[Special:Contributions/68.10.80.125|all edits]]) || [[Ballad of the Sneak]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Ballad_of_The_Sneak&diff=28457&oldid=28434] || Added rude comment
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| 12/16/2004 || [[User:216.120.190.222|216.120.190.222]] ([[Special:Contributions/216.120.190.222|all edits]]) || [[Main Page]], [[Strong Bad Email]], [[HRWiki:WikiTroll]] || SEVERELY defaced [[Main Page]], [[Strong Bad Email]] and this page.
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| 12/16/2004 || [[User:68.215.158.33|68.215.158.33]] ([[Special:Contributions/68.215.158.33|all edits]]) || [Image:pomgirls.PNG][http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Image%3Apomgirls.png&diff=28484&oldid=28474] || Defaced [Image:pomgirls.PNG].
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| 12/18/2004 || [[User:69.152.236.224|69.152.236.224]] ([[Special:Contributions/69.152.236.224|all edits]]) || [[Homestar Runner ]][http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Homestar_Runner&diff=28567&oldid=28561] || Defaced [[Homestar Runner]].
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| 12/18/2004 || [[User:70.64.34.61|70.64.34.61]] ([[Special:Contributions/70.64.34.61|all edits]]) || [[Strong Sad]][http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Strong_Sad&curid=956&diff=28735&oldid=28733] || Replaced text in [[Strong Sad]]'s bio with "Homsar rules".
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| 12/18/2004 || [[User:67.181.245.35|67.181.245.35]] ([[Special:Contributions/67.181.245.35|all edits]]) || [[radio]][http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=radio&curid=4163&diff=28768&oldid=28767] || Filled [[radio]] with links to online stores.
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| 12/18/2004 || [[User:68.91.91.113|68.91.91.113]] ([[Special:Contributions/68.91.91.113|all edits]]) || [[Gavin]][http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Gavin&diff=29043&oldid=29021] || Created [[Drasticpasticbarfmosis]] and included it on Gavin's page.
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| 12/20/2004 || [[User:60.55.58.202|60.55.58.202]] ([[Special:Contributions/60.55.58.202|all edits]]) || [[User talk:Kilroy]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk%3AKilroy&diff=29050&oldid=28799], [[HRWiki:Projects]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki%3AProjects&diff=29061&oldid=28810], [[Talk:Floppy Disk Container Plus]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk%3AFloppy_Disk_Container_Plus&diff=28969&oldid=28785], [[Talk:your friends]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk%3Ayour_friends&diff=29065&oldid=28784] || Spammed several pages by adding useless links.
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| 12/20/2004 || [[User:210.49.167.191|210.49.167.191]] ([[Special:Contributions/210.49.167.191|all edits]]) || [[HRFWiki:Other Character Email The Poopsmith]] || Blanked page.
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| 12/20/2004 || [[User:60.55.57.90|60.55.57.90]] ([[Special:Contributions/60.55.57.90|all edits]]) || [[User talk:JoeyDay]], [[User Talk:FireBird]], and [[HRWiki:Welcoming Committee]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:JoeyDay&curid=739&diff=29200&oldid=29197] || Spammed page by adding useless links
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| 12/20/2004 || [[User: 24.209.223.70|24.209.223.70]] ([[Special:Contributions/24.209.223.70|all edits]]) || [[for kids]] || Added a fake transcript consiting of what seems to be a conversation with itself.
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| 12/21/2004 || [[User:69.110.228.72|69.110.228.72]] ([[Special:Contributions/69.110.228.72|all edits]]) || [[Homestar vs. Little Girl]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Homestar_vs._Little_Girl&curid=2869&diff=29244&oldid=29242] || Blanked transcript.
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| 12/21/2004 || [[User:68.39.156.170|68.39.156.170]] ([[Special:Contributions/68.39.156.170|all edits]]) || [[Main Page]] || Changed Secret Pages link, then reverted.
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| 12/21/2004 || [[User:63.127.54.121|63.127.54.121]] ([[Special:Contributions/63.127.54.121|all edits]]) || [[Talk:Homestar's house]] || Added some immature comments.
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| 12/21/2004 || [[User:200.62.139.206|200.62.139.206]] ([[Special:Contributions/200.62.139.206|all edits]]) || [[User:The Paper]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User%3AThe_Paper&diff=29489&oldid=29477] || Added keyboard mashings to [[User:The Paper]]
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| 12/21/2004 || [[User:64.12.116.136|64.12.116.136]] ([[Special:Contributions/64.12.116.136|all edits]]) || [[Secret Pages]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Secret_Pages&curid=905&diff=29615&oldid=29613] || Cleared "Puppet Stuff" section, then adding "no more haha".
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| 12/21/2004 || [[User:69.153.5.143|69.153.5.143]] ([[Special:Contributions/69.153.5.143|all edits]]) || [[HRWiki:Sandbox]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&curid=1159&diff=29624&oldid=29623] || Deleted the message at the top that ''clearly'' says "Don't Delete".
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| 12/21/2004 || [[User:68.57.242.91|68.57.242.91]] ([[Special:Contributions/68.57.242.91|all edits]]) || [[radio]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=radio&diff=29643&oldid=29640], [[Main Page]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&curid=5&diff=29648&oldid=29647], [[Neuconsin]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Neuconsin&diff=29655&oldid=29653] (Warning: This takes forever to load due to extent of trollage.)|| Trolled [[radio]], [[Main Page]], [[Neuconsin]], and created [[er]].
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| 12/22/2004 || [[User:24.203.226.202|24.203.226.202]] ([[Special:Contributions/24.203.226.202|all edits]]) || [[Snow Globe]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Snow_Globe&diff=29721&oldid=29716] || Made horrible, terrible curses on [[Snow Globe]].
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| 12/22/2004 || [[User:thatkidsam|thatkidsam]] ([[Special:Contributions/thatkidsam|all edits]]) || [[User:pixelated]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User%3Apixelated&diff=0&oldid=29747], [[User:screetchy cello]] || Created fake users [[User:pixelated|pixelated]] and [[User:screetchy cello|screetchy cello]]
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| 12/22/2004 || [[User:4.248.74.190|4.248.74.190]] ([[Special:Contributions/4.248.74.190|all edits]]) || [[HRWiki:Sandbox]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&curid=1159&diff=30010&oldid=30009] || Specifically removed "Do not remove" line.
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| 12/23/2004 || [[User:152.163.100.200|152.163.100.200]] ([[Special:Contributions/152.163.100.200|all edits]]) || [[strongbad email.exe DVD Artwork]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=strongbad_email.exe_DVD_Artwork&diff=30272&oldid=30268] || Added, "I suck so bad," and British curse words to [[strongbad email.exe DVD Artwork]].
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| 12/26/2004 || [[User:64.12.116.6|64.12.116.6]] ([[Special:Contributions/64.12.116.6|all edits]])/[[User:spacemonkey|spacemonkey]]([[Special:Contributions/spacemonkey|all edits]]) || [[User:Renegade Master]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User%3ARenegade_Master&diff=30951&oldid=30948] || Trolled [[User:Renegade Master]]. This is a repeated offense.
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| 12/26/2004 || [[User:24.176.210.102|24.176.210.102]] ([[Special:Contributions/24.176.210.102|all edits]]) || [[Talk:The Future Animators of the Future]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk%3AThe_Future_Animators_of_the_Future&diff=0&oldid=30953] || Made obscene comments on [[Talk:The Future Animators of the Future]].
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| 12/26/2004 || [[User:12.215.155.217|12.215.155.217]] ([[Special:Contributions/12.215.155.217|all edits]]) || [[HRWiki:Sandbox]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki%3ASandbox&diff=30975&oldid=30964], [[HRWiki talk:Sandbox]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki_talk:Sandbox&oldid=30972] || Deleted [[HRWiki:Sandbox]] and wrote a racial slur on [[HRWiki talk:Sandbox]].
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| 12/27/2004 || [[User:61.51.48.125|61.51.48.125]] ([[Special:Contributions/61.51.48.125|all edits]]) || [[sugarbob]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=sugarbob&diff=0&oldid=31105] || Added twenty six pages worth of spam all labeled SsS*, with * being a letter A-Z, and linked them to [[sugarbob]]'s 'External Links' section.
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| 12/27/2004 || [[User:60.55.58.64|60.55.58.64]] ([[Special:Contributions/60.55.58.64|all edits]]) || [[User talk:Kilroy]] || Spammed
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| 28/12/2004 || [[User:64.12.116.70|64.12.116.70]] ([[Special:Contributions/64.12.116.70|all edits]]) || [[Main Page]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=31255&oldid=31254] || Deleted everything on page and added small piece of text. Note: trolling is similar to that of [[User:64.12.116.6|64.12.116.6]]/[[User:spacemonkey|spacemonkey]].
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| 12/27/2004 || [[User:68.147.111.188|68.147.111.188]] ([[Special:Contributions/68.147.111.188|all edits]]) || [[Original Book]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Original_Book&diff=31275&oldid=31262]|| Trolled [[Original Book]].
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| 12/28/2004 || [[User:199.126.180.143|199.126.180.143]] ([[Special:Contributions/199.126.180.143|all edits]]) || [[Peasant's Quest Walkthrough]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Peasant%27s_Quest_Walkthrough&curid=3090&diff=31447&oldid=31446] || Changed "arrow" to "poo" in [[Peasant's Quest Walkthrough]].
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| 12/28/2004 || [[User:12.221.216.74|12.221.216.74]] ([[Special:Contributions/12.221.216.74|all edits]]) || [[radio]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=radio&curid=4163&diff=31518&oldid=31517] || Added profanity to [[radio]].
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| 12/29/2004 || [[User:68.11.225.151|68.11.225.151]] ([[Special:Contributions/68.11.225.151|all edits]]) || [[Lookin at a Thing in a Bag]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Lookin_at_a_Thing_in_a_Bag&diff=31650&oldid=31647], [[Strong Bad Email]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Strong_Bad_Email&curid=732&diff=31652&oldid=31645], [[Help:Contents]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Help:Contents&curid=845&diff=31655&oldid=31644], [[Marshmallow's Last Stand (place)]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Marshmallow%27s_Last_Stand_%28place%29&curid=1682&diff=31656&oldid=31643] || Trolled [[Help:Contents]], [[Strong Bad Email]], and more.
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| 12/30/2004 || [[User:64.246.132.116|64.246.132.116]] ([[Special:Contributions/64.246.132.116|all edits]]) || [[User talk:Renegade Master]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Renegade_Master&curid=4436&diff=31788&oldid=31782] || Trolled/spammed [[User talk:Renegade Master]].
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| 1/1/2005 || [[User:64.246.132.182|64.246.132.182]] ([[Special:Contributions/64.246.132.182|all edits]]) || [[User talk:Renegade Master]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk%3ARenegade_Master&diff=32360&oldid=32314] || Trolled [[User talk:Renegade Master]]. This user has been a nuisance (see above), and banning his IP won't work. Most likely it is a dynamic IP that can be reassigned at request. Tom banned 64.246.132.116, so the troll just requested a new IP -- that's why the first three numbers are identical. I don't know what further measures we can take against someone so stupidly determined to troll, but that's most likely what's happening.
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| 1/2/2005 || [[User:138.130.226.46|138.130.226.46]] ([[Special:Contributions/138.130.226.46|all edits]]) || [[Quote of the Week]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Quote_of_the_Week&curid=906&diff=32853&oldid=32852] || Blanked [[Quote of the Week]].
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| 1/3/2005 || [[User:221.219.63.211|221.219.63.211]] ([[Special:Contributions/221.219.63.211|all edits]]) || [[Mrs. Bennedetto]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Mrs._Bennedetto&oldid=33173] || Added "SsSs" and a link to the same. Also created various spam pages, including [[SsSa]], [[SsSb]], [[SsSc]], etc. Same M.O. as [[User:61.51.48.125|61.51.48.125]].
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| 1/3/2005 || [[User:69.151.117.197|69.151.117.197]] ([[Special:Contributions/69.151.117.197|all edits]]) ||Many|| Changed text to 'defaced'd' on several pages, including main page and this page
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| 1/4/2005 || [[User:69.152.214.49|69.152.214.49]] ([[Special:Contributions/69.152.214.49|all edits]]) ||Many|| Changed text to 'defaced'd' on several pages, including main page and this page
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| 1/4/2005 || [[User:221.219.51.57|221.219.51.57]] ([[Special:Contributions/221.219.51.57|all edits]]) ||Starts on [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Phonetime_Xl8&oldid=33791 Phonetime Xl8] || [[User:221.219.63.211|221.219.63.211]] Style defacement
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| 1/5/2005 || [[User:68.189.231.102|68.189.231.102]] ([[Special:Contributions/68.189.231.102|all edits]]) || [[Characters]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Characters&curid=930&diff=33827&oldid=33821] || Trolled [[Characters]].
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| 1/5/2005 || [[User:66.124.9.92|66.124.9.92]] ([[Special:Contributions/66.124.9.92|all edits]]) || [[Strong Bad]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Strong_Bad&curid=817&diff=33838&oldid=33835] || Added obscenities to [[Strong Bad]].
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| 1/5/2005 || [[User:81.132.73.36|81.132.73.36]] ([[Special:Contributions/81.132.73.36|all edits]]) || [[Sightings]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Sightings&curid=1513&diff=33981&oldid=33972] || Added obscenity to [[Sightings]].
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| 1/5/2005 || [[User:68.220.39.93|68.220.39.93]] ([[Special:Contributions/68.220.39.93|all edits]]) || [[The Paper]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=The_Paper&curid=829&diff=34112&oldid=34093] || Defaced [[The Paper]].
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| 1/5/2005 || [[User:156.34.248.211|156.34.248.211]] ([[Special:Contributions/156.34.248.211|all edits]]) || [[Main Page]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&curid=5&diff=34086&oldid=34073] || Trolled [[Main Page]].
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| 1/6/2005 || [[User:216.198.85.218|216.198.85.218]] ([[Special:Contributions/216.198.85.218|all edits]]) || [[3 Wishes]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=3_Wishes&diff=34387&oldid=34385] || Trolled [[3 Wishes]] with 24.28.123.123
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| 1/6/2005 || [[User:24.28.123.123|24.28.123.123]] ([[Special:Contributions/24.28.123.123|all edits]]) || [[3 Wishes]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=3_Wishes&diff=34394&oldid=34390] || Trolled [[3 Wishes]] with 216.198.85.218
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| 1/6/2005 || [[User:156.34.248.211|156.34.248.211]] ([[Special:Contributions/156.34.248.211|all edits]]) || [[Main Page]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&curid=5&diff=34474&oldid=34469] || Spammed [[Main Page]].
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| 1/6/2005 || [[User:213.228.80.165|213.228.80.165]] ([[Special:Contributions/213.228.80.165|all edits]]) || [[Main Page]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=0&oldid=34541] || Spammed [[Main Page]]
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| 1/6/2005 || [[User:68.68.128.19|68.68.128.19]] ([[Special:Contributions/68.68.128.19|all edits]]) || [[Teen Girl Squad]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Teen_Girl_Squad&curid=850&diff=34556&oldid=34553] || Deleted portion of [[Teen Girl Squad]].
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| 1/7/2005 || [[User:60.55.58.50|60.55.58.50]] ([[Special:Contributions/60.55.58.50|all edits]]) || [[User talk:Kilroy]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Kilroy&curid=1231&diff=34688&oldid=34687] [[User Talk:JoeyDay]] || Trolled [[User Talk:Kilroy]] and [[User Talk:JoeyDay]] with those now-common useless links.
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| 1/7/2005 || [[User:216.120.190.122|216.120.190.122]] ([[Special:Contributions/216.120.190.122|all edits]]) || [[Main Page]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&curid=5&diff=34728&oldid=34727&PHPSESSID=f911c69fe6458bb806d0d33549820bac] || Vandalized [[Main Page]].
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| 1/7/2005 || [[User:66.41.150.114|66.41.150.114]] ([[Special:Contributions/66.41.150.114|all edits]]) || [[Salad Turning]] || Created [[Salad Turning]].
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| 1/7/2005 || [[User:66.82.9.37|66.82.9.37]] ([[Special:Contributions/66.82.9.37|all edits]]) || [[Main Page]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&curid=5&diff=34897&oldid=34896] || Vandalized [[Main Page]].
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| 1/7/2005 || [[User:67.183.78.70|67.183.78.70]] ([[Special:Contributions/67.183.78.70|all edits]]) || [[Homestar's Twirly Hat]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Homestar%27s_Twirly_Hat&oldid=35191] || Created [[Homestar's Twirly Hat]].
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| 1/8/2005 || [[User:24.62.164.107|24.62.164.107]] ([[Special:Contributions/24.62.164.107|all edits]]) || [[Graffiti Wall]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Graffiti_Wall&curid=1632&diff=35476&oldid=35471] || Deleted portion of [[Graffiti Wall]].
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| 1/8/2005 || [[User:69.159.14.70|69.159.14.70]] ([[Special:Contributions/69.159.14.70|all edits]]) || [[Homestar Runner]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Homestar_Runner&curid=819&diff=35496&oldid=35495] || Trolled [[Homestar Runner]].
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| 1/8/2005 || [[User:12.222.199.193|12.222.199.193]] ([[Special:Contributions/12.222.199.193|all edits]]) || [[:Image:thydungeonman.png]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Image%3Athydungeonman.png&diff=35498&oldid=35493] || Trolled [[:Image:thydungeonman.png]].
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| 1/10/2005 || [[User:62.37.193.96|62.37.193.96]] ([[Special:Contributions/62.37.193.96|all edits]]) || [[property of ones]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=property_of_ones&curid=944&diff=35617&oldid=35616] || Spammed [[property of ones]].
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| 1/10/2005 || [[User:221.219.63.14|221.219.63.14]] ([[Special:Contributions/221.219.63.14|all edits]]) || [[Main Page 19]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page_19&curid=1487&diff=35950&oldid=35940], [[SsSa]], etc. || Created various spam pages, including [[SsSa]], [[SsSb]], [[SsSc]], etc. Same M.O. as [[User:61.51.48.125|61.51.48.125]], [[User:221.219.63.211|221.219.63.211]].
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| 1/11/2005 || [[User:198.234.124.150|198.234.124.150]] ([[Special:Contributions/198.234.124.150|all edits]]) || [[english paper]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=english_paper&curid=1066&diff=36122&oldid=36120] || Defaced [[english paper]].
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| 1/11/2005 || [[User:69.245.217.37|69.245.217.37]] ([[Special:Contributions/69.245.217.37|all edits]]) || [[Main Page]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=36306], [[Strong Bad Email]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Strong_Bad_Email&oldid=36304] || Defaced [[Main Page]] and [[Strong Bad Email]].
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| 1/11/2005 || [[User:128.187.0.165|128.187.0.165]] ([[Special:Contributions/128.187.0.165|all edits]]) || [[Main Page]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=36369&oldid=36365], [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=36457&oldid=36455], etc. || Defaced [[Main Page]] and trolled several users in a flurry of activity. After a break of a few hours, resumed trolling.
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| 1/12/2005 || [[User:128.205.248.186|128.205.248.186]] ([[Special:Contributions/128.205.248.186|all edits]]) || [[Main Page]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=36650&oldid=36647] || Trolled [[Main Page]].
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| 1/12/2005 || [[User:128.205.249.238|128.205.249.238]] ([[Special:Contributions/128.205.249.238|all edits]]) || [[Main Page]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&curid=5&diff=36659&oldid=36658], [[HRWiki:WikiTroll]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:WikiTroll&curid=1541&diff=36661&oldid=36656] || Trolled [[Main Page]] and [[HRWiki:WikiTroll]]. Same as 128.205.248.186.
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| 1/12/2005 || [[User:24.22.102.26|24.22.102.26]] ([[Special:Contributions/24.22.102.26|all edits]]) || [[Stuffinged Ham]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Stuffinged_Ham&oldid=36684], [[Gravied Yams]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Gravied_Yams&oldid=36683] || Created nonsensical pages [[Stuffinged Ham]] and [[Gravied Yams]].
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| 1/13/2005 || [[User:168.169.88.88|168.169.x.x]] ([[Special:Contributions/168.169.88.88|all edits]]) ([[Special:Contributions/168.169.91.146|all edits]]) ([[Special:Contributions/168.169.132.68|all edits]]) || [[Main Page]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=36764&oldid=36763], [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=36767&oldid=36766], [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=36778&oldid=36777], [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=36779&oldid=36778etc] || Repeatedly defaced [[Main Page]] with juvenile comments about squirrels. Similar to 128.205.x.x.
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| 1/13/2005 || [[User:24.45.209.62|24.45.209.62]] ([[Special:Contributions/24.45.209.62|all edits]]) || [[homsar]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=homsar&oldid=36868], [[old comics]] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=old_comics&oldid=36870] || Changed the words on both pages.
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|1/14/2005 || [[User:128.205.248.213|128.205.248.213]] ([[Special:Contributions/128.205.248.213|all edits]]), [[User:128.205.249.119|128.205.249.119]] ([[Special:Contributions/128.205.249.119|all edits]]) || [[Main Page]] [[Strong Bad Email]] [[HRWiki:WikiTroll]] [[Captain's Hat]] || Defaced all four pages to say dumb stuff like "You can't go here"
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|1/14/2005 || [[User:logan|logan]] ([[Special:Contributions/logan|all edits]]) || [[Template:MainPage1]] || Defaced [[Template:MainPage1]].
|}

User:Firefoxman

Firefoxman — Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:16:24 GMT

Firefoxman:

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<tr align="center"><td>'''[[User:firefoxman|FireFox Man]]'''</td></tr>
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''[[User Talk:firefoxman|Talk]]''</td></tr>
<tr align="center"><td style="border-top:1px solid green;text-align:center;">[[Special:Newpages|New pages]] | [[HRWiki_talk:FAQ|FAQ]] | [[HRWiki:WikiTroll|WikiTroll]] [[Template:MainPage1|MainPage Temp]]</td></tr></table>

Good afternoon. I am firefoxman, but but call me Lucas. I am a WikiTroll Repairer and usualy try to change pages in a way that makes it easeyer for us to fix pages, and harder for trolls to mutalate them.
Quick Links:

User:Firefoxman

Firefoxman — Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:15:57 GMT

Firefoxman:

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<table align="left" id=toc style="width: 160px; margin:5px;">
<tr align="center"><td>'''[[User:firefoxman|FireFox Man]]'''</td></tr>
<tr align="center"><td style="border-top:1px solid green;">
''[[User Talk:firefoxman|Talk]]''</td></tr>
<tr align="center"><td style="border-top:1px solid green;text-align:center;">[[Special:Newpages|New pages]] | [[HRWiki_talk:FAQ|FAQ]] | [[HRWiki:WikiTroll|WikiTroll]] [[Template:MainPage1]]</td></tr></table>

Good afternoon. I am firefoxman, but but call me Lucas. I am a WikiTroll Repairer and usualy try to change pages in a way that makes it easeyer for us to fix pages, and harder for trolls to mutalate them.
Quick Links:

User:Firefoxman

Firefoxman — Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:15:47 GMT

Firefoxman:

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<table align="left" id=toc style="width: 160px; margin:5px;">
<tr align="center"><td>'''[[User:firefoxman|FireFox Man]]'''</td></tr>
<tr align="center"><td style="border-top:1px solid green;">
''[[User Talk:firefoxman|Talk]]''</td></tr>
<tr align="center"><td style="border-top:1px solid green;text-align:center;">[[Special:Newpages|New pages]] | [[HRWiki_talk:FAQ|FAQ]] | [[HRWiki:WikiTroll|WikiTroll]] [[Template:MainPage1</td></tr></table>

Good afternoon. I am firefoxman, but but call me Lucas. I am a WikiTroll Repairer and usualy try to change pages in a way that makes it easeyer for us to fix pages, and harder for trolls to mutalate them.
Quick Links:

User talk:Firefoxman

Firefoxman — Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:12:47 GMT

Firefoxman:

User talk:Firefoxman

Firefoxman — Sat, 15 Jan 2005 00:11:29 GMT

Firefoxman:

User talk:Tom

Firefoxman — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:24:11 GMT

Firefoxman: /* Sysop */

User talk:Tom

Firefoxman — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:23:23 GMT

Firefoxman: /* Sysop */

User talk:Tom

Firefoxman — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:17:50 GMT

Firefoxman: /* Sysop */

User talk:Tom

Firefoxman — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:17:25 GMT

Firefoxman: Sysop

User:Firefoxman

Firefoxman — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 22:14:21 GMT

Firefoxman:

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<table align="left" id=toc style="width: 160px; margin:5px;">
<tr align="center"><td>'''[[User:firefoxman|FireFox Man]]'''</td></tr>
<tr align="center"><td style="border-top:1px solid green;">
''[[User Talk:firefoxman|Talk]]''</td></tr>
<tr align="center"><td style="border-top:1px solid green;text-align:center;">[[Special:Newpages|New pages]] | [[HRWiki_talk:FAQ|FAQ]] | [[HRWiki:WikiTroll|WikiTroll]]</td></tr></table>

Good afternoon. I am firefoxman, but but call me Lucas. I am a WikiTroll Repairer and usualy try to change pages in a way that makes it easeyer for us to fix pages, and harder for trolls to mutalate them.

HRWiki:WikiTroll

Firefoxman — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:37:18 GMT

Firefoxman:

HRWiki:WikiTroll

Firefoxman — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:34:56 GMT

Firefoxman:

Main Page

Firefoxman — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 20:12:02 GMT

Firefoxman:

Main Page

Firefoxman — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 19:49:04 GMT

Firefoxman: Reverted edit of 128.205.248.213, changed back to last version by firefoxman

Main Page

Firefoxman — Fri, 14 Jan 2005 03:44:55 GMT

Firefoxman: Set template

Female Lappy 486

Firefoxman — Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:49:15 GMT

Firefoxman:

[[Image:female_lappy_486.png|thumb|Strong Bad's looking prooty hot.]]

The Female Lappy 486 appears in [[Strong Bad]]'s fantasy in [[dreamail]], email #122. She is basically the [[Lappy 486]] logo with blonde hair and a more feminine face. She appears when Strong Bad starts up the Lappy, telling him that he's looking prooty hot. When Strong Bad replies to an e-mail, the Female Lappy 486 gives Strong Bad her comments on it. After Strong Bad flies away at the end of the e-mail, she appears in an Easter Egg, telling Strong Bad that's she's worried about him, and that she can see the strings which are holding him above ground.
[[Category:Character Variations]]

Female Lappy 486

Firefoxman — Thu, 13 Jan 2005 20:49:05 GMT

Firefoxman:

[[Image:female_lappy_486.png|thumb|Strong Bad's looking prooty hot.]]

The Female Lappy 486 appears in [[Strong Bad]]'s fantasy in [[dreamail]], emal #122. She is basically the [[Lappy 486]] logo with blonde hair and a more feminine face. She appears when Strong Bad starts up the Lappy, telling him that he's looking prooty hot. When Strong Bad replies to an e-mail, the Female Lappy 486 gives Strong Bad her comments on it. After Strong Bad flies away at the end of the e-mail, she appears in an Easter Egg, telling Strong Bad that's she's worried about him, and that she can see the strings which are holding him above ground.
[[Category:Character Variations]]

User:Firefoxman

Firefoxman — Thu, 13 Jan 2005 01:48:26 GMT

Firefoxman:

__NOTOC__
<table align="left" id=toc style="width: 160px; margin:5px;">
<tr align="center"><td>'''[[User:firefoxman|FireFox Man]]'''</td></tr>
<tr align="center"><td style="border-top:1px solid green;">
''[[User Talk:firefoxman|Talk]]''</td></tr>
<tr align="center"><td style="border-top:1px solid green;text-align:center;">[[Special:Newpages|New pages]] | [[HRWiki_talk:FAQ|FAQ]] | [[HRWiki:WikiTroll|WikiTroll]]</td></tr></table>

Good afternoon. I am firefoxman, but but call me Lucas I am a constant editor of [[H*R.com_updates| H*R.com Updates]]. Although editors cannot edit the page itself, I can edit the page [[Template:updates|template.]]
I usualy look for grammer/spelling errors, or update old information.