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Talk:Sloshybowl

James — Sun, 03 Feb 2008 19:54:59 GMT

James: sloshybowl pic opinion

All instances of "I've got no money writing on this one!" should be "I've got no money riding on this one!"
:You're right. Give Homestar-winner a little time to be done with the transcript, and then if he hasn't fixed it, you can (remember, anyone can edit the wiki). {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 18:47, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
::Sorry, I've gotta work on my *groan* science fair project now. Can someone else improve this? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 19:04, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

the uh uh uh's at the beginning sound like the posed to death remix by the faint. Listen to it on their [http://www.purevolume.com/thefaint purevolume]

== Which one? ==

[[Image:Sloshybowl.png|thumb|100px|This one...]]
[[Image:sloshybowl.PNG|thumb|100px|or this one?]]
I just uploaded a pic for the sloshybowl, but I was beaten by like 10 seconds. I was just wondering which picture you would prefer?
:I believe the 2nd one sums up the toon better, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't hear the others' opinions first. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 19:50, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
::The second one is almost part of the punchline. It's already a very short toon, so I'm for leaving up the intro TV screen. --[[User:James|JamesGecko]] 19:54, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

User:James

James — Wed, 16 May 2007 06:48:43 GMT

James: /* Greetings */

== Greetings ==
Greetings, I'm James, known better to most of you as JamesGecko. I was among the first few to stumble on the wiki back in the old days...

'''{goes into a rambling old man daze}''' 
I liked making major edits, I once started whole ''sections'' like [[Places|places]], and added first drafts of characters pages and noone complained much. 
I developed a reputation of having really bad spelling... And leaving emoticons in my comments. :-) 
I transcribed "[[Army]]"... 
'''{chokes and snaps out of the daze}'''

So, yeah. I'm still around, I still read the wiki and all, but I've stopped contributing as much; partially because theres not too much major editing to do anymore, it seems mostly to be nitpicking about the capitalization of Strong Bad's latest quotable quote.

I apologize if I happen to miss some important editing and/or formatting policy. I try to keep up with the rules, but quite frankly, I get confused attempting to edit pages like [[STUFF]].

== Contact ==
Feel free to drop me a line in my Talk page.
Or, you can visit my blog at http://frem.wordpress.com

User:James

James — Wed, 16 May 2007 06:43:35 GMT

James: /* Contact */

== Greetings ==
Greetings, I'm James, known better to most of you as JamesGecko. I was one of the first few to stumble on the wiki back in the old days...

'''{goes into a rambling old man daze}'''
I liked making major edits, I once started whole ''sections'' like [[Places|places]], and added first drafts of characters pages and noone complained much. 
I developed a reputation of having really bad spelling... And leaving emoticons in my comments. :-) 
I transcribed "[[Army]]"... 
'''{chokes and snaps out of the daze}'''

So, yeah. I'm still around, I still read the wiki and all, but I've stopped contributing as much, partially because theres not too much major editing to do anymore, it seems mostly to be nitpicking about the captialization of Strong Bad's latest quoteable quote.

== Contact ==
Feel free to drop me a line in my Talk page.
Or, you can visit my blog at http://frem.wordpress.com

Talk:DNA Evidence

James — Wed, 16 May 2007 06:42:46 GMT

James: Mild Mannered Alter-Ego

== Article name ==

I think that we should move the article for the toon to [[DNA Evidence]] and just use the {{tl|abouttoon}} and {{tl|for}} disambiguation notices for the top of the page, rather than having a separate disambiguation page. My reasons: (1) the toon is more important than the running gag, now that all the appearances of the gag have been included into the toon, (2) it will make it easier to cite the toon in the future, which will be necessary for the article much more often than for the gag, (3) it will look better in {{tl|toonnav}} at the top of [[Date Nite]] and the other one (currently [[The King of Town DVD]]), although we could just do a workaround by substituting the template or using a parserfunction in {{tl|toonnav}}. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:19, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

:I agree. It should be moved to [[DNA Evidence]].{{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:22, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
::'''AGREE'''/10 {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}} 23:32, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Agree. That seems to be a worthy proposal. --[[User:Chiron|Chiron]] 23:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

== Detective ==

When Homestar was running around in his little detective outfit, isn't that a lack of visible ar- wait, it was already referenced. Oh well. "It's gonna cost you an arm and a leg!" --[[User:Chiron|Chiron]] 23:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
:His arm being visible inside that sleeve (so to speak) is going to answer a lot of questions about invisible arms vs telekinesis, eh?

== Goofs ==

I actually saw this: When Marzipan first walks up to Bub's concession stand, She did not have her toga on. After I got off and got back on a short time later, She was wearing her toga when she walked up to Bub's's.

I noticed this too. I added it. If anyone disagrees, go ahead and remove it. ;) [[User:DNA Evidence|DNA Evidence]] 02:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Dangeresque, Also? ==

Strong Bad seems to be reprising his role of Dangeresque while he is being interviewed by Strong Sad - he's wearing the glasses, he's in the [[smoky office]], he even says the catchphrase. Should this be mentioned in the Cast section? [[User:Not Horse Woman|Not Horse Woman]] 00:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:I even heard some of the Dangeresque music at one point! [[User:Neox|Neox]]

== Homestar's teeth ==

On Strong Sad's chart, Homestar is shown smiling with teeth showing. Where should this fact go? -[[User:72.26.64.24|72.26.64.24]] 00:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:I was bold and stuck it in Remarks. If that isn't appropriate, you can move it. -[[User:HotBees|HotBees]] 00:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Delete ==

Could one of y'all sysops delete [[DNA Evidence]] because the actual toon is called [[The DNA Evidence]] and I was going to move [[DNA Evidence (running gag)]] back to [[DNA Evidence]]. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 00:47, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:Precedent is to name the articles by whatever the [[Toons|Toons Menu]] calls it, even if that's different to the title card in the toon. The menu calls this toon just "DNA Evidence", without the "The". Look at [[KOT's VOQPCS!]] and [[A Folky Tale]]... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 00:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

==Edit Conflict'd==

I thought it was just the transcript we couldn't touch. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 01:00, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Dang!==

The cleaner on Coach Z's Janitator cart was called "DANG!". This could possibly be in reference to a product called [http://www.easyoffbam.us/ BAM] in North America which has an onomatopoea for a brand name. Thoughts? [[User:PlasticDiverGuy|PlasticDiverGuy]] 01:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:Meh, seems TTATOT to me, cleaning products with catchy monosyllabic names are fairly common. [[User:Not Horse Woman|Not Horse Woman]] 02:00, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::I think "DANG!" and "BAM" are pretty similar.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 02:53, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:The last time I checked, "dang" wasn't an onomatopoeia... [[User:EYanyo|EYanyo]] 02:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::Dang isn't onomatopoeia by itself, but the adding of the exclaimation mark, especially on a cleaning product, suggests it's a made-up one, like using "Zonk!" on the 60s Batman show. - [[User:PlasticDiverGuy|PlasticDiverGuy]] 03:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Uh, no. "Dang!" is an interjection. Not an onomatopoeia at all. When was the last time you heard something go "Dang!" when it hit the floor? --{{User:Lux Acerbus/sig}} 04:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::::True enough, it's an interjection, but the name "Dang!" might be a reference to "BAM" by EasyOff and that was why I put it here in the first place. There aren't any other spray-on cleaning products I can think of or find with a more similar name. - [[User:PlasticDiverGuy|PlasticDiverGuy]] 05:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Dangeresque 3 ==
Since SB is dressed like Dangeresque, maybe the famed Dangeresque 3, if there is ever one, will be about the DNA evidence. just a guess, though. -{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}
:I'm pretty sure that this toon marks the culmination of the DNA evidence gag. [[User:EYanyo|EYanyo]] 02:55, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

==Approved Comics==

Both of the easter egg comics appear to bear the mark of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comics_Code_Authority Comics Code Authority]. While the mark is fairly close to the real thing, the text of the mark on comic books in real life reads, "Approved by the Comics Code Authority". The text in the comics in this toon do not match that text. - [[User:PlasticDiverGuy|PlasticDiverGuy]] 02:10, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Old Maid Marzipan? ==

"Old Maid Marzipan" sounds more like a reference to "Maid Marian" than just simply "Old Maid." Do you think it's both maybe? --[[User:Abelhawk|Abelhawk]] 02:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:Possibly. I think it's just more of an old-timey reference to an unmarried woman, rather than a card game. Any thoughts?--{{User:NoMayonnaise/sig}} 04:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::If [[colouring|Goody Marzipan]] didn't merit a mention (even being wrongfully gunned down in STUFF), I don't see why this should. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Office Space again! I said Office Space again! ==

I realize this has been voted down several times already in previous toons/emails, but, yeah, I'm just gonna go ahead and point out what I believe is another oblique reference to Bill Lumbergh of [[Wikipedia:Office Space|Office Space]]: Strong Bad's message on the Lappy starts with "Hi. Yeah, go ahead and...", which is very similar to Bill's manner of speaking. And in this case (as with previous turned-down references), the context is clearly similar to that of Office Space, where Strong Bad writes as sort of a manager, presumably to someone he views as a subordinate. That's where the similarity ends, granted, but I believe there is a definite similarity there. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 04:19, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:And of course, it's possible (not entirely likely, but possible) TBC have seen our discussions and included this just to vex us. =3 --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:22, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::Personally, if you ask me, I think they've been messing around with us for quite some time now. :) Especially with non-sequiturs like [[Drive-thru]]. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 04:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Heck, THIS toon is a pretty big indication of their liking to vex us. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Dorian, i think it's likely. They've said that they use the wiki a lot. Plus... Who knows that they're not actually one of the users on the wiki... How do we know they're not... YOU! [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 04:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::::I just think the idea that TBC, who for the most part are pretty anonymous behind Homestarrunner.com and (to my knowledge) have never directly interacted with the wiki, might be sitting there wondering what they can throw out there that'll totally mess with our minds and get us buzzing over here... I just find that really amusing. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 04:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Loose end ==

This cartoon explained almost everything, except why Pom Pom wanted Homestar to bring him the DNA evidence in "From Work." [[User:BethEnd|BethEnd]] 04:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:Umm, what about why it was in the movie they were watching? It left that out too. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 04:29, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::Hence the subtitle "Your questions sorta answered!". :) Don't read too much into it. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 04:30, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Hmm, actually, strong sad DID say "just like in the movies". [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 04:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Twin Peaks ==

Ok I tried to say this was a reference to Twin Peaks. Am I doing something wrong? Why is this being removed when I add it?
:Because it's TTATOT. Countless shows have "previously on" segments. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::I understand that, but Twin Peaks has the trademark jazz and fingersnap "previously on Twin Peaks" segments. This wouldn't be the first time Twin Peaks was referenced by TBC either.
:::Maybe true, but it's still TTATOT. jazz and fingersnaps are common to detective shows. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 05:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::::That's fair enough. I just know that as a Twin Peaks fan, this reference seems to scream out at me. :) Apologies for being anonymous. Gotta look into getting a user ID.
:::::Umm, it's the link at the top right of the page. ANY hrwiki page. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 05:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::You should! [[Special:Userlogin|Creating a username]] is free and has [[HRWiki:Why create an account?|many benefits]]. Also, I don't know anything about Twin Peaks, but you do have a point that the show has been explicitly referenced in the past. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 05:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::thx... created an account. I know it wasn't rocket science, but hey I hadn't gotten around to it before now. :)
:::::::YAY! now you should remember to sign your talk posts with four tildas: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> so that it leaves your user name and a timestamp. Like these right here: [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 05:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Mild Mannered Alter-Ego ==
Could this phrase be a reference to Calvin and Hobbes? That's where I first saw it. I'm amazingly out of the loop on popular culture though, so I could be wrong. --[[User:James|JamesGecko]] 06:42, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Talk:coloring

James — Wed, 25 Oct 2006 21:55:05 GMT

James: /* We just call it blue */

== "Okay" ==

If I'm not mistaken, this is the first time that [[The Cheat]] has actually said a word... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:32, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
:Or is it? Are they just The Cheat noises? hmmm...{{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:34, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
::They're still The Cheat noises. Distinctive, but The Cheat noises nonetheless. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 04:36, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
:::I think this one's pretty clearly unambiguous. Just to mess with people. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::It definitely sounds like a very clear (for [[cheat talk]] anyway) "Okay!" to me. ''Much'' more intelligible than all the other times people have claimed to hear actual words in The Cheat noises, at any rate. {{User:Saturn/sig}} 04:39, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::I have no question in my mind at all that this is "OK", not just The Cheat noises. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 04:40, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
::::::Let's STUFF'it! {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 04:41, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Don't think we need to STUFF it... It's also not a fun fact. I believe that it's probably "OK", but it's still a guess. And if we allow this, then we'll have to revisit other toons as well. Where would we draw the line?{{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:50, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah, I agree with Loafing. Should we remove it, or do we have to have a holy-crap-long debate about it in the STUFFlands? -[[User:J2|J2]]
:::::::::STUFFlands isn't what Loafing said. Loafing said Herelands. Anyway, The Cheat does say "okay", and it's probably just to play with the fans, as Dorian said (more or less). It's a sticky topic if we want to make an exception to The-Cheat-language transcription rule, and I'm going back and forth on this one. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 04:57, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::I don't think this is comparable to previous situations at all. The Cheat here does something ''completely'' out of the ordinary. In general, his vowels are always variants on "eh" or "er", but here he makes a clear "O" sound. Likewise, for his second syllable, he uses a "k" consonant, which is not in the Cheat's normal phonology either. I think it's quite clear that TBC meant this one to be unambiguous. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 04:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::I disagree. I think it's still just The Cheat in his own language. Just because we think he said that does not make it so. Also, notice the angry black squiggle. That's hardly a mood where The Cheat would offer a compliant "OK". I'd suggest the real translation could not appear on a family website. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 05:05, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::I agree with Qermaq --[[User:70.28.112.174|70.28.112.174]] 10:57, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::I actually hear a "t" sound, not a "k". I think it could mean "OK" just because "OK" would be an appropriate answer. I also don't believe that TBC worry too much whether we can understand The Cheat or not. They don't have to document it.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 05:12, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
::::::I agree. The Cheat was MEANT to obviously sound like he said a real word for the first time. I think it's worth mentioning that.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 05:06, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
This isn't the first time it's happened. He's said things clearly like this before. This isn't notable on the page as it's still pretty much The Cheat talk. It freaked me out though. {{User:Salty/sig}} 12:46, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Well... after listening to it a couple of times, it's definitely still in The Cheat. I can hear a distinct "k" sound in there, but everything else is standard squeakyness. So it's The Cheat talk, just more distinct than previously.

Do you think he's going to speak some sort of english in later toons? [[User:Cyberdemon|Cyberdemon]] 20:45, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
:Hey, wait, has The Cheat ever spoken with his mouth open? I think everything he says is some type of humming sound. {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:22, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Nonsense! It's clearly CheatSpeak for "F*** You." --[[User:Tjsynkral|Tjsynkral]] 23:54, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

== "College sign in coloring book?" ==
It looked to me that in the second page of the coloring book the Limozeen band members are giving the "Hook 'em Horns!" handsign of the University of Texas in Austin. Is this intended? It's freaking awesome. I know that band members usually give a sort of "I love you" hand sign but the sign given in the picture shows the thumb covering the two middle fingers with the index and pinky extended in a Longhorn Fashion.
[[User:Agentjs03|Agentjs03]] 13:05, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
:The short version is that that gesture has a lot of meanings, is used by rock stars a lot, and is commonly confused with the sign for "I love you." Wikipedia has [[Wikipedia:Corna|the long version]]. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 21:10, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

== Interesting coincidence... or ''did'' I?? ==

This was removed from the article's fun facts, but I think it merits mention somewhere.

*The Chalkboard says "SOY IS MURDER" which is odd, given that she has been previously established as a [[Wikipedia:Vegetarian|vegetarian]]. This may be explained by Strong Bad's message in [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 9.2]] where he tells Marzipan that tofu (a soy product) is really made of baby seals.

{{User:Qermaq/sig}} 05:13, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
:I think the first part does not make sense. The second sentence might be OK to include. (The board says that soy is "ALSO" murder, btw.){{User:Loafing/sig}} 05:15, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
::The first part neglects to mention that it says "TOO". As in, "Meat is murder, but soy is murder as well". The second part came to mind instantly for me. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::I've readded, editing the beginning part considerably. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 05:22, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
::::I would prefer a more neutral statement, like "Strong Bad has previously said that tofu (a soy product) is really made of baby seals."{{User:Loafing/sig}} 05:26, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::I agree, as I don't think it really was a reference to Marzipan's Answering Machine. I think it's just Marzipan going overboard with her "hippiness" (e.g., the chinchilla protest actually being a protest to get them out of her basement).--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 09:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::: Baby seals is one possibility. The other is that "killing plants is no better than killing animals." Remember, she sings to vegetables, she had a seance for her plant, and made her veggie burger into homestar junior. Maybe the lesson was that plants are just as important.
::::::: and don't forget about when she decided not to cut the pumpkin off the vine. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 17:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
::::::::I think this is the perfect time to use [[STUFF]]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 19:04, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::It's related to her desire not to kill ''anything'', not to the answering machine message. Basically, it's just a joke. Her line "So that way, you always feel guilty" illustrates this. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:31, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
It's just a joke. It's like the guy on the Simpsons who said "I'm a fourth level vegan; I don't eat anything that casts a shadow." [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 22:30, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

== Pressed Bunson? ==

Strong Bad raises a good point: What the crap is "pressed bunson"? The Google, it does nothing. Is this a reference to something (real-world or otherwise), or is this just another bit of standard-issue H*R nonsense? --[[User:Lukeonia1|Lukeonia1]] 07:07, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
:If anything, it's just nonsense. No search on Google, Yahoo! or the Wikipedia turned up anything. Noted in the article. Possibly an inside joke just between the Bros. Chaps. [[User:WaveOBabies|WaveOBabies]] 11:42, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
::My guess is they just want to mess with the wiki community and its over-obsessed fans. --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 09:49, 23 Oct 2006 (PDT)
:::This is the second topic on this page where someone suggests that TBC just want to mess with the wiki. I can't believe that they would think about the wiki at all while they simply do what they like. In this case, they just made up a funny word. That's all.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:44, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
::::I think it's just that the crayons couldn't be soy--since that's also murder--so they just made something up. Now I'm just wondering if anybody has any ideas as to what the word bunson could be based on, if any. [[User:PolarBoy|PolarBoy]] 21:14, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

== We just call it blue ==

I can't remember exactly which style of art it refers to, but one of the traditional art forms, like those of the Australian Aboriginees or Native American Indians, uses black where there should be blue due to lack of natural blue pigments. I'd put it on the page but it's probably better that someone finds the type of art first... [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ZanderSchubert ZanderSchubert] 07:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
:Most likely, black being called blue is a parody of racial things in Kindergarten and small school. --[[User:71.80.201.61|71.80.201.61]] 23:42, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
::Your comment is nonsensical. As a former teacher of kindergarteners, I can aver that they don't get the race differences for the large part. There are no racial things in Kindergarten. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 23:49, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
Actually, the first thing that came to mind when I saw the email was the Dudley Do-right movie. In one scene, Dudley compares his suit to the the villain's, to prove that he nemesis' suit was, in fact, dark blue and not black. --[[User:James|JamesGecko]] 21:55, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

== Kindergarten? ==

Doesn't the fact that Missy P had a baby link in with the kindergarten thing? I don't know, it was just a thought.
:Babies don't go to kindergarten. {{User:Salty/sig}} 12:49, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
::Ssh... it's close enough!
:::What? No, it isn't.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 21:24, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

== Hey, -man ==

Santaman, Santaman again, Monsterman, Teacherman... is it time to give [[-man]] its own page under [[Running Gags]] yet? [[User:Octan|Octan]] 13:48, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

:If you're going to do that, establish a very strong initial edit; make the first edit as if you won't edit the article again. Most running gag pages will be put up for deletion if the article does not appear strong. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 14:29, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

::And don't forget [[Marzipan|Marzi]]man. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 14:32, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
:::And [[Stinkoman]]. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 16:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
::::I don't think Stinkoman counts. That's clearly pronounced Stinko *Man*. The others are pronounced faster, resulting in it sounding like "min", which is the joke here. -{{User:YK/sig}} 20:40, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
:::And the ever-present [[Wrestleman]]. {{User:Laramie/Sig}} 13:03, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

:This just sounds like "This and that" (Or whatever it's called). This is simply part of how homestar talks funny personaly.

::"This, that, and the other thing" (TTATOT), and point. It's always limited to Homestar, so it should be included, if anywhere, on his page. -{{User:YK/sig}} 20:40, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
:::...Then wouldn't [[:Category:Homestar Runner running gags|these]], too? —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 21:51, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
::::Hum. Point taken. I didn't even know that catagory existed. Sorry. I've been away for the last couple months, so I guess I've missed stuff. -{{User:YK/sig}} 23:00, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::Don't worry, we still love you. <3 —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 23:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

== Animas or Animals? ==

The fun facts, as well as this [[:Image:Homestar reportcard.png|image]], say that one of the subjects on Homestar's reportcard is "talking to animas". But when I watch it, it says "animals". What's going on? — [[User:Lappynapped|Lappynapped]] 15:48, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

I also notice that the fun facts say "blossom" is misspelled as "blossum", but it looks ok to me. Were these mistakes that have since been fixed? — [[User:Lappynapped|Lappynapped]] 15:48, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
:They both seem to have been fixed now. I watched it last night, and it said "blossum" (not sure about the animal/animas thing though). {{User:Saturn/sig}} 16:09, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
::Well, clearly the [[:Image:Homestar reportcard.png|image on the page]] is the original release. Shortly after, they put the "l" back in "animal" [[:Image:Homestar reportcard 2.png|(from a file cached on my computer)]]. Then after that, they corrected "blossom" [[:Image:Homestar reportcard 3.png|(from the current file)]]. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 17:02, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
:::I fixed the image.--{{User:Bleed0range/sig}} 18:03, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

== Vulgar... ==

So, should we link to [[Swears]]? --[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 20:01, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
:Not really a swear, but it is vulgar. Like "crap" is vulgar too. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 20:19, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

== Tight Pants? ==

Oh, you all knew this was coming, right? Well, just to be the first to throw it out there, do you think that the purple crayon is a reference to Homestar's Daisy Dukes from [[long pants]]? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 21:27, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

"ballade purple" is a reference to megaman, unless ballades are naturally purple.--[[User:150.243.207.238|150.243.207.238]] 21:38, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
:"Oh, I definitely say it's just a result of tight pants."
:"Oooohh, tight paaants!"
:"Sorry about that. What were we talking about?"
:"The tightest of pants."
:"Oh, right, right. Tight pants."
:"Once again, I point the blame squarely at tight pants."
:That was the exchange that immediately crossed my mind. Obviously it has a whole lot more to do with tight pants than creepy pants (which all the time get some... light globes).--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 22:07, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
::'''Edit Conflict!''' Tight Pants...has a page, doesn't it? This is most certainly a reference, if I do say so myself. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|''Brightstar Shiner'']] 22:18, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

== Of Age Ladies & Canada ==

{Change to next page, which shows Larry with two women. The text says "Larry Strong Bad always serenades the 'of-age' ladies after the show". Larry's face has been colored like Strong Bad's, and his hands have been drawn to look like red boxing gloves. The girls have the Canadian Flag colored onto their shirts.}

I believe this is a reference to Canada's recent crusade against all forms of child pronography.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolicon#Legal_status_in_Canada

:I seriously doubt the Chaps know slash care about this whole thing with the Canada and the children and the misplaced R's... [[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 02:35, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

::TBC won't be referncing Canadian stuff. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:05, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
:::How do ''you'' know? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 03:34, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
::::It's theoretically possible, of course, but I think it's pretty huge stretch. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 03:37, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

== graduate ==

I went ahead and edited the article about the cheat and grills but I don't feel I worded it well... Anyway I think it's ironic how many times we see Homestar wearing a grduate's cap only to find out that he's in preschool (possible reference?) [[User:Andrew911|Andrew911]] 00:45, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

== Fun fact? ==

Should [[Wikipedia:Cumin|Cumin]] be added to fun facts? I'm not so sure it's noteworthy. (It was in Homestar's report card.) {{User:Steve/sig}} 01:24, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
:I think cumin is already a pretty well-known spice. Uh, it is a spice, right? {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:36, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

== nuturing your inner-Life Blossom ==

Does anyone else think that it is odd that the crayons don't write as to not let any life blossom shine above the rest and yet they get report cards with psuedo-grades on them? Noteworthy? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 14:10, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
:But we don't know that Strong Mad and Homsar's grades are any different from Homestar's. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:52, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
::Of course, that too would be rather, umm, interesting, if the just gave everyone the same grades to keep everyone equal. I can just hear Marzipan saying, "Oh, everyone gets roots and grass! That way, no one Life Blossom shines more than any other. Plus, the roots and grass are made of pressed bunson, so they double as a healthy snack!" {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 17:00, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

== The messed-up nature of the school ==

Here's something that I think might belong in the remarks section.

This toon continues inconsistency that is present in the H*R cartoons about school. In senior prom, Homestar and Marzipan are at their senior prom. However, in this toon, Marzipan is a teacher while Homestar is a kindergarden student.

Should this be added? --[[User:Paczjj15|Paczjj15]] 16:08, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
:And in [[high school]] Coach Z was a baby (the same as the rest) but in [[stand-up]] he was older than SB. I don't think TBC try too hard for absolute consistency, just whatever is funny. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:18, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
::high school is Strong Bad's unphotographic memory.--[[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]]

== Bean Beams ==

Okay, people can't agree if it's "laser beams" or "laser beans" that Strong Bad tells The Cheat to consider after "laser limes". Either one makes a certain amount of sense in the unusual context, and I can't really tell myself. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:09, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
:True, true. I was just going to say for the record that this is indeed a close one and I can't even tell which one it is myself. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 00:12, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
::I hear '''beans'''. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:13, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
:::'''Beans''' speak to me too. --[[User:Benn|Benn]] 05:39, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
::::I heard "beams" first time through, but repeated listenings aren't clear enough to swing me either way... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 05:41, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::I distinctly hear '''bea''m''s''', which makes ''more'' sense than the other (which admittedly makes a tiny amount, if you think about it a while). --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::::I think both make sense, but I distinctly hear "beams".{{User:Loafing/sig}} 09:17, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

== Pronunciation ==

I think maybe under "Real-World References" we should mention how Homestar's pronunciation of "crayons" as "crowns" is a parody of the tendancy of people in some regions (for example, many of the suburbs of Chicago) to pronounce "crayons" as "crans." Or would this be better placed on a page about Homestar's vocal mannerisms? As a mispronunciation, it's almost Coach Z-esque; kind of makes me wonder how he pronounces it...
: It's because he's portrayed as a kindergartener in this email. Note the use of "bafroom", "liberry", and "pie pie comics". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:11, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
:: I suppose that rules it out as being just another of Homestar's mannerisms, but I think the Real-World Reference is still apt, since it's the only mispronunciation they actually call him on.
:::I think it's a real world reference. Many kids mispronounce it as "crowns" beyond the kindergarden stage. Me and my siblings were some of them. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:05, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
: Homestar mispronounces tons of stuff. "Total wave" and "doingg" come to mind. [[User:Octan|Octan]] 03:04, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

== Goody Marzipan ==

I added a thing to the article, but it seems to be totally gone, and i can't even find it in the history. Did someone delete it, or did we lose it in the upgrade? I wrote about how Goody Marzipan refers to the word Goody, being short for [[Wikipedia:goodwife|Goodwife]] meaning a married woman.
:It's currently in [[STUFF]]. Please vote! --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

Talk:Sightings

James — Sun, 30 Jul 2006 02:09:21 GMT

James: Added Wall Street Journal article summery. Someone move where it needs to go, please.

==More on The Wotch==
Thanks to this website, I discovered The Wotch. I noticed that [http://www.thewotch.com/022703.html the cheerleaders] (only AFTER they become cheerleaders - you'll understand why I make that point if you read it) have "TG" on their shirts, and one of them has [[Cheerleader]]'s pigtails. You guys wanna call it a reference or a coincidence? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 22:51, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)
:Well, the name of their school is Tandy Gardens High, and according to [http://www.thewotch.com/FAQ.html their FAQ], the writers chose the initials TG for transgender. I'd say it's just a coincidence. (Neat little comic, though!) -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 22:58, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)
:: Oh. Well, I guess I didn't know the school's name. Still, they DID make a clear H*R reference in another comic (which is sorta how I discovered its existence in the first place - see the Sighting article page.) --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 23:03, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)

==Possible "Dominic Deegan" reference?==
I caught this link from another web-comic I read and I was reading through the archives when I stumbled across [http://www.dominic-deegan.com/d/20020923.html this comic]. It looks like the back of Strong Bad's head, kinda, but the line the character says is DEFINITELY something Strong Bad would say. Can anyone confirm or deny that this is a HSR reference?
: Oh! I forgot all about that DomDeeg comic! (Seen it before.) Yes, it was agreed upon by me and one of my online contacts that the comic in question does indeed include a Strong Bad cameo. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 11:56, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)

==Small question==
Is the word/exclamation "huzzah!" directly linked to Homestar Runner or is it something generally used? Because I've spotted it in some game.

[[User:King Nintendoid|King Nintendoid]] 08:48, 16 Dec 2004 (MST)

"Huzzah" is an exclamation used back in the old days in England, and possibly elsewhere. So no, it's not technically a sighting. --[[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]]

Ok. Nah.. I saw it in Paper Mario 2, and I wondered....

[[User:King Nintendoid|King Nintendoid]]

==Buffy==
The "buffy" link is broken. --[http://www.jonnydigital.com JD]

== Cheat ==

I'm not sure, but the Cheat section looks like it's been defaced. -[[User:oddtodd]]

* I went ahead and fixed it myself. --[[User:oddtodd|oddtodd]] 21:43, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

== ''One Ring To Rule Them All 2'' ==

This belongs in the Discussion section:

*no, i belive that music is "the Entertainer" a Rag time jazz song from the early 1890's by Scott Joplin.

No idea who wrote it, but it's about the background music in the middle of "One Ring To Rule Them All 2." (moved by [[User:oddtodd|oddtodd]] 21:43, 19 Nov 2004 (MST))

I wrote it - [[User:Ooy|Futuramaooy]]

== Enough with the Burnination "sightings" ==

Folks, please consider what refers to what.

Is it possible that [[TBC]]'s "Burnination" refers to videogames that pre-date H*R? I mean, it can't be the other way around. Seriously: How could Final Fantasy 1 and 2 '''''refer''''' to H*R? Those go back to the late 1980s. [[User:beanluc|beanluc]] 13:15, 14 Dec 2004 (MST)

Answer: It's the remakes. The line was added in to the new version on Game Boy Advance. Note that it says "Dawn of Souls". -Tom H.

*Oh, I see. My bad [[User:beanluc|beanluc]]

== Regular Chat ==

Holy crap! I'm like, an hour away from Hershey Park! I'm totally going there sometime now! Are they still doing the HR face paintings?

== Cruxshadows Cd ==

On A Cd From Darkwave Band Cruxshadows (pronunces Croo-shadows) the thank you in the back says homestar runner
ill try to scan a pic later

== Possible Reference? ==

Just tell me, is "heart of a lion" a common phrase, because Ryan Seacrest from American Idol just said it a few minutes ago. --[[User:205.188.116.197|205.188.116.197]]

:It's been a common phrase for centuries. See [[Wikipedia:Richard I of England|Richard the Lionheart]]. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 19:19, 1 Feb 2005 (MST)

== Table of Contents ==

In my opinion, it's getting too big and should be removed. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 19:42, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)

==This Website Made a Reference!==

Do we really need all sightings of the form "this webcomic / blog / whatever made a Homestar Runner reference"? It isn't very interesting to list every two-bit webcomic writer who sticks "burnination" in their comic. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 21:14, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)

I agree. Although the extremely popular sites (Such as Yahoo, Google, Maddox, etc.) should stay. --[[User:radiodj19|radiodj19]] 12:01, 20 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Trim ==
This page ''really'' needs to be trimmed. It's getting way too long. I believe we should go through and remove all the minor HSR sightings and anything that could possibly be a stretch, leaving only major sightings (for example, Trogdor on Buffy, Asplode mentioned on Google blog, etc.). Any other comments on this? [[User:Kilroy|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]/[[User talk:Kilroy|talk]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 12:05, 20 Mar 2005 (MST)
:Frankly, I'd love it if we could just clear 'em out to a subpage, or split it up with those... why exactly were we fiercely against those again? --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 12:12, 20 Mar 2005 (MST)
:That's what I was thinking when I made the post in the header above ^^^ (This Website Made a Reference!) There's just too many tiny, minor things here. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 12:18, 20 Mar 2005 (MST)

I agree that this page needs an overhaul, but I'm a little choked that the [[Wikipedia:Smax|Smax]] ref got cut. That comic is fairly major (it is [[Wikipedia:Alan Moore|Alan Moore]] after all) and it is rife with references. I would like to see this added back at some point. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 15:19, 20 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Boo! Bad deletion. I know it was crowded, but you got rid of a few good ones. Like that Fosters one I thought was hilarious. I liked it better before. Much better. I'm thinkin' it might be better if we just split the original version of this page up into several pages. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 16:16, 20 Mar 2005 (MST)

::I've restored everything that was removed. I think the discussion needs to be completed before someone (who I notice wasn't even part of the discussion) removes stuff.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:33, 20 Mar 2005 (MST)

:::I'm glad that all the references were restored. A lot of the deletion seemed arbitrary to me. I was thinking, maybe we could have a system for Sightings similar to the Fun Facts system? Then we could vote on which to keep and which to toss. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 18:17, 20 Mar 2005 (MST)

::::Eep. I think we should avoid anything like the STUFF thing. Discussion pages are where it's at. Or where it should be?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:42, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)

Okay, I just removed the cleanup notice at the top of the page, since it seems to be encouraging people to remove references willy-nilly (this is the second instance, unless they were the same person). I think we should come to a consensus as to how the article should be cleaned up before putting up a cleanup notice. [[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora Szalinski]] 14:41, 21 Mar 2005 (MST)

I think we should have the main catagories, and make them links into that section like:

[[Sightings/Television|Television]]

[[Sightings/Games|Games|Games]]

ect

and stuff like that, it'll shorten the page and make it easier to see some "ddouble sightings" - [[User:Ooy|Futuramaooy]]--[[User:144.137.169.213|144.137.169.213]] 01:44, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)

:Well, we definately need to do something with this page. It's bigger than a hippo on sterioids. But subpages are never allowed, says InterruptorJones. Maybe a "Sightings" namespace with all the references in an actual page? (Example: [[Sightings:Comics]], [[Sightings:Advertising]], etc.). Anyone like this idea?
:And while were at it, there is some terrible grammar and spelling and overall bad use of the wiki standards sitting here. But the largeness of the page seems to be the case for now. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

== Basic Sightings ==
I saw a guy at the YMCA a few weeks back and he was wearing a star shirt. Could it be? [[User:unknown|unknown]] 3/21/05 12:00

:Could it be what? You trying to be funny? Or you mocking this article?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:18, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)

=="unknown" note==

Ok, look guys, I'm sorry I crapped up the sightings page. I might be able to save it. I saved the page before I edited it, like I always do. I think I can copy everything on that page I saved and paste it over the text I crapped up. It's risky, but it's worth a shot. [[User:unknown|unknown]] 3/22/05 10:01

:It has already been reverted. Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:18, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Used in Flash 8 Demo ==
I've got a link to a video and mirrors of a [[http://www.macromedia.com/software/flash/ Flash]] Development Con where [[Homestar Runner]] and [[The Homestar Runner]] appear as example graphics and animations and have some of the new effects applied to them that will be coming out in Flash 8. What section of the article should this 'sighting' be listed under?
[[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] 16:39, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:How about "Really Cool"? I can't think of anything better than the [[Sightings#OTHER|Other section]], but sometimes for really cool videos and the like we create a whole article for them. Are you up to it? Do you think it would be worth it? What's the link?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:50, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::Well, the characters only appear for a small part of it. Though I thought it was worth adding since out of all the cartoons on the web, the '''Developers of Flash its self''' picked Homestar to use in their first ever presentation of the new technology. The link is [[http://www.moock.org/blog/archives/000146.html here]]. Any of those links will take you to the same video at diffrent quality settings. I'd like to get this down as my first contribution here though so please don't anyone else post to the article. ^^; It might however be worth afterwards, someone either cropping the video to the relavent section or creating a HRWiki Mirror of the file. -- [[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] 17:00, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::I have it on screen, and I can get a snapshot of it. Also, I have a screen recorder that can allow me to get the specific sections of the movie which Homestar is included. Should I?-- <tt>Posted by: [[User:-erson|-erson]] [[User talk:-erson|Talk]]</tt> 18:35, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::: Sure, I think capture everything from when Homestar appears to a sutible pause after The Homestar Runner disappears. I'll post up the main links and description. Check back in a while and append on your media and add the screenshot if you like.. since I still don't know how to do that on Wiki's. o.O -- [[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] 19:12, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::: I know how to insert snapshots, but not the video. Can anyone explain it to me?-- <tt>Posted by: [[User:-erson|-erson]] [[User talk:-erson|Talk]]</tt> 20:35, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::::: The movie you'll need to host somewhere and then provide a link to it. I'd try contacting who ever it is that hosts the mirrors of the old versions of the flash files that are nolonger found on H*R.com such as the old menus. -- [[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] 12:28, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Mr. Incredible vs. Trogdor ==

Twice now, I've discovered that people have added that "The Incredibles" makes a reference to Peasant's Quest, when Mirage calls Mr. Incredible's outfit "rather dashing". Such a thing is hideously unlikely. The voices for animated movies are often recorded MONTHS before the movie is actually completed (so the animation can be synched with the voices - it's much more difficult to do it the other way around). The release of The Incredibles (November 5, 2004) and Peasant's Quest (August 2, 2004) were too close. Anyway, "rather dashing" is a semi-common phrase that did not originate with Peasant's Quest. Without something a little more solid connecting the two, there is no reason to believe that the line was added because of Homestar Runner. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 19:22, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:I agree with Jay. When I watched the movie I was like "Wow, she said Rather Dashing, I bet that some user is going to consider this a reference." I highly doubt it is, rather dashing is actually a common phrase. {{User:Rainer/sig}} 12:39, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:The phrase is why he's called Rather Dashing. "You are Rather Dashing. Your cottage" etc.

== Road Waffles ==

someone had mentioned this sighting but couldn't remember where it was, so I (Eight, the author of said comic) decided to wiki it up for y'all. [[http://www.roadwaffles.com/archive-rw.php?c=2003-7-23 "pop culture reference!"]]

:Thanks man. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:16, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

== Significant vs insignificant ==

[[User:Thunderbird_L17|TBird]] and I are planning on creating a second page for the more important fun facts (such as the Buffy, the Ryan S, the Maecromedia Flash Player 8, nothing that involves a random t-shirt wearing or toon watching). The discussion is on [[User_talk:-erson|My Talk Page]] if you want to see. What other signtings are significant enough to me moved this new page? Is this new page even a good idea? -- <tt>Posted by: [[User:-erson|-erson]] [[User talk:-erson|Talk]]</tt> 12:48, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Personally, like I have said before, I think we should have a Sightings namespace (for example, <nowiki>[[Sightings:Magazines]] or [[Sightings:Television]]</nowiki>. We could just list them on the regular [[Sightings]] page in a short list. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

::Well basically my main problem is with the more minor web cartoons. Where does a sighting end, and a fanstuff begin? That's the main question. I think some kind of standard should be set, just how well known a sighting is to be accepted. Like... LIKE STUS! Select The Usable Sighting, or something. Anybody else wanna share their two cents? ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>'' 02:10, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

== Rodney's Gonna Have To Jump ==

I'm iffy about the "Gonna have to Jump" line from Robots being related to Homestar, but I haven't seen the movie in question. I can't find any links on the web connecting the two, so like The Incredibles, I'm more than willing to chalk it up to coincidence. (Having seen TI, I'm 100% confident that it's no reference there.) Thoughts? From someone who's actually seen the movie? --[[User:Jay|''Jay'']] [[User talk:Jay|(Talk)]] 05:24, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, I remember he said that, but I'm not sure if it was intentional.-Alice 03:48, 8 May 2005

== Guild Wars ==

I wonder why this is not here already, but on NCSoft/ArenaNet's new Online Role Playing Game, there are fire skills which contain Rodgort e.g 'Rodgort's Invocation' and 'Mark of Rodgort'.
Rodgort backwards is obviously Trogdor, and seeing as they are fire skills and 'Rodgort's Invocation' symbol contains a dragon, its likely this is a sighting (or at least an obscure reference). There are also creatures in the game called trogs, dont know if this is related but could be.
: I coulda sworn it used to be - but it wasn't there, even before Trogga's removal of anything and everything online. Maybe it was deleted by someone who didn't know any better when I wasn't paying attention? I dunno. --[[User:Jay|''Jay'']] [[User talk:Jay|(Talk)]] 03:54, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

: There's also a "shout" skill that makes your character yell "For Great Justice", a possible reference to Zero Wing, so a HR reference doesn't seem that far-fetched. A "trog" creature is probably NOT a reference, I've seen creatures named this in other videogames. --[[User:ClamIAm|''ClamIAm'']]
::there are no such things as "trogs" in guildwars.

== Kim Possible Cowinky Dink? ==

In Kim Possible, during the "Oh Boyz" episode, one band member was wearing a sleeveless red shirt with a white star. Coincidence?

:Yes. White star on red? Red is a color and star is a common shape. Putting them together randomly isn't a Homestarrunner reference.

== Where did all the sightings go? ==

I'm not sure when the last time I checked the sightings page was, but I'm fairly sure the page was twice as long before. Some of the genuine sightings have gone (i.e. Macromedia Flash Player 8 Demo), as well as all of the comic sightings (online or otherwise). Did someone take the notice on top of the page a little too seriously or something? --[[User:Venusy|Venusy]] <tt>([[User talk:Venusy|Talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Venusy|Contributions]])</tt>, 16:29, 11 May 2005 (BST)
:Someone deleted a ton. Again. Who's up to bringing them back? -- '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]''''' 16:47, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
:: It was Trogga's doing, if I'm not mistaken. I didn't do anything about it because the page ''really was'' cluttered, but yeah, he might have gone too far. --[[User:Jay|''Jay'']] [[User talk:Jay|(Talk)]] 16:57, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
:::He did. The Macromedia one was rather significant, same with the Zelda Comic one. I think he just removed them because of the cleanup template. Perhaps we could elaborate more on how it should be cleaned up? Anyway, I say bring them back. -- <tt>Posted by: [[User:-erson|-erson]] [[User talk:-erson|Talk]]</tt> 18:05, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
::::Just read his user talkpage, and noticed he's removed a bunch of information from other pages too. I think this is a similar case. But now one problem, how do we re-add all the other sightings but keep the updates since they were removed?
:::Also think I'll point out that when I split the page, I also brought back all (or most) of those sightings Trogga deleted. -- '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]''''' 01:44, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

==Split Page==
There, I put each category onto its own page. That helps cut down space a lot, and should really help lower the problem. -- '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]''''' 00:18, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

:Holy carp, great job Joshua! That looks a whole lot more organized. On a scale from cool to awesome, you rate a super-great! →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

==Jughead's double digest==
In the newest issue of Jughead's double digest, Jughead said he was having a garage sale, and Reggie said "You forgot the 'b'. It should be a garbage sale." Coincidence? -Alice

:Doubtful. →[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|([[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]])

::If anything, [[TBC]] copied from archie. It's too soon for vice-versa. It's not a sighting, and it's a pretty obvious pun. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:13, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

==12:00==
In [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Napoleon_Dynamite Napoleon Dynamite], when Uncle Rico is about to show his football tape, the VCR is blinking 12:00. It might be that the time was 12:00, but it looked like it was blinking it. Sighting? --Kutchipatchi (who lost her password)

:Based on your description, no, not a sighting. A blinking "12:00" is a default display for most VCRs. -[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:46, 8 Jul 2005 (UTC)

== Clean Up ==

Not really the main Sightings page itself, but more of the other sightings pages, such as [[Television Sightings]].
*The top summaries could probably use some work.
*They all need to be working with the [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]]. Which means links, grammar, etc.
*They all need to follow the same format.
*[[Skins Sightings]] should probably be merged with [[Other Sightings]].
{{User:FireBird/sig}} 14:56, 11 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:Skins Sightings is crossing into fanstuff a bit much for my taste. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 15:01, 11 Jul 2005 (UTC)

==Something on Fantastic 4==

I recently saw Fantastic 4 and on Johnny Storm's(aka The Human Torch) car, his front license plate said TORCH'D. Possible TGS reference? [[User:Imwithcrazy|Imwithcrazy]]

I guess so, but many people accross the US do that on their own licence plates.--[[User:witchesbrew82|witchesbrew82]] 15:28, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Oh, ok, it's just when I saw it, it reminded me of the [[Arrow'd Guy]].
[[User:Imwithcrazy|Imwithcrazy]]

==Robots?==
Is that really a reference? A lot of people say "Look's like I'm gonna have to jump!".--[[User:witchesbrew82|witchesbrew82]] 15:28, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I dunno, if he said it like Dangeresque, then it most likely is a reference. Otherwise, it probably isn't. [[User:Imwithcrazy|Imwithcrazy]]

==TGS'D!==
Seriously,people,just because there's a certain word in a webcomic with
'D! at the end of it doesn't always make it a reference to TGS. The comic page '''''REALLY''''' needs to be cleaned up. [[User:Imwithcrazy|Imwithcrazy]]

==A "Coincidence" Section==

(Warning: It's entirely possible that this is a really bad idea.) I think it might be neat to have a "coincidental sightings" section... Like, for example, if a cow lamp appeared in some TV show. It's not a *reference*, but it's a noteworthy coincidence. It'd be a place for the things that seem like references, but we know aren't. Although, I don't know if that sort of thing happens a lot... and it would probably spark a lot of argument... So I'm not officially proposing this, but it's a thing to consider, maybe. -[[User:Polly|Polly]] 15:17, 4 Aug 2005 (UTC)

That might be a good idea, but there would be ''SO'' many things and it would be really messy. --[[User:bkmlb|bkmlb]] 15:38, 4 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Dead links ==

Should we really keep the sightings with dead links up? Because it seems kind of stupid to say "this site ''used to'' have a picture of Homestar" or something like that. [[User:Imwithcrazy|Imwithcrazy]]

== Deletion ==

This page seems an unnecessary duplication of the effort of [[:Category:Sightings]] and the Sightings template. Furthermore, the hotlinking images notice is out of place, because there are no longer any images (or anything) on the page. Let's just delete it and change all links to this page to links to [[:Category:Sightings]]. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 16:47, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Do not delete. Too many links from other places direct people here.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:49, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Also, category pages should not contain articles.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:50, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::1. This isn't an article. It's a brief description of what a sighting is, which is fine for the header of the Sightings category.
:::2. We should change all the links to [[:Category:Sightings]], and leave a redirect to that page here for external sites. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 16:51, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::The Category namespace should never contain article content. That is what the article namespace (also called the main namespace) is for. Regardless of what the actual content of an article is, it still remains an article. Also note that this has [[User talk:Drhaggis#Inside Jokes|come up]] [[HRWiki talk:FAQ#Category Redirect not working?|before]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:57, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::What about the Character Evolution page? It was deleted and replaced with a category. - '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''

::Anyway, I say we keep this page, if nothing else than to keep this talk page, with has a lot of lengthly discussions. - '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''

:::There isn't any article or content here, though, just "Homestar is taking over the world! Visit a Sightings page!" There's no content to be kept. Also, if we deleted it, we could move the discussion to the talk page of the category. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 17:12, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::I say keep. This page is useful and fun, I might add. --[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]][[User_talk:Homsar999|DaAaAaA!]] 18:29, 31 Aug 2005 (CDT)

:::::As stated before, me and Tom have been over this before, in the [[Inside Jokes]]/[[Running Gags]] instance. I say keep, and revise to add a bit more of an overview of 'sightings'. Maybe meantion a few of the more notable ones, maybe describe a few of the categories, ect. Lengthen the article to about a paragraph or so. I'll add it to my to do list. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 23:46, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::::That sounds good to me. I'm removing it from deletion, then. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 23:52, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Move it to Fanstuff ==

Ok. Listen to me before you decline this. The sightings we list are made by fans. If it's the director of Buffy or the author of a webcomics, this person is a fan, and everything fan-made, is listed on the Fanstuff wiki. It have no to place here in the Knowledge Base. It's not official material that is off the site like the [[:Category:Side Projects|side projects]] or the [[TMBG Concert - 25 Sep 2004|TMBG concert]]. What do you think? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:38, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

:The Fanstuff wiki is for fan submitted material. The fan themself submits it. The Buffy creator isn't going to come and submit his show in a page there. Here at the knowledge-base, we use the Sightings series of articles to report on appearances of Homestar Runner in popular culture, TV shows, etc. I see it as knowledge-base content. It could use some cleaning up and standardizing, for sure, but it belongs here.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:05, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

::What about [[HRFWiki:Not Without My Application|Not Without My Application]]? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:27, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

:::It looks like it's covered under [[Animation Sightings#High Score]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:37, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

::That was placed there in the early stages of the Fanstuff Wiki, probably when users were struggling to get good fanstuff. It's appearance there has been questioned in the past, although nothing has been done as it isn't exactly urgent. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 19:38, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

:::So what? The fact that it is listed there only makes my case stronger. I think that some years ago, when Homestar was an underdog and the sightnings were few, this page had some merit. But now it's like listing sightnings of Bill Clinton! If this was moved to Fanstuff each sightning can have page for itself with fun facts and transcripts. The move will also remove the question "Where does a sightning stop and fan stuff begins?" {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:58, 5 November 2005 (UTC)
:Firstly, this does not belong in the Fanstuff Wiki. Not Without My Application doesn't belong in the Fanstuff Wiki, and I'm planning on moving it elsewhere. (Like the Bonus Stage wiki, perhaps.) Also, sightings end and fanstuff begins when the feature is ''focused'' on Homestar Runner. That's why Not Without My Application isn't really a sighting either. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 20:37, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

::So why not expend Fanstuff Wiki to include sightnings? As I wrote, it's not part of the Knowladge Base. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:41, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

:::Because most of these things ''aren't'' fanstuff. There's like... only one of two things here that can be classified as Homestar Runner Fanstuff. And there's no reason to expand the Fanstuff Wiki to put in a bunch of random sightings. It's better like this. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 20:53, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

::::So you say we keep a "bunch of random sightings" in here? You know, I never realy liked this page. The only reason why I offered to move it, is that all the people who contributed won't be forgotten. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 21:05, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::It's important to note that just because these items are made by fans of Homestar Runner, that doesn't make them "fanstuff" in the same way things on the fanstuff wiki are fanstuff. The way we use the word isn't just a simple "fan + stuff = fanstuff" equation. The fanstuff wiki requires that a user submit their own work. As Joshua noted, the [[HRFWiki:Not Without My Application|Not Without My Application]] page E.L. Cool brings up should not be there like that.
:::::The knowledge-base can report on and document instances of Homestar Runner appearing in popular culture, etc. That's what we do, we document everything about Homestar Runner.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:55, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::But it's impossible to list them all. It's like listing sightnings of Google! Almost the whole world knows about it. I'll say we ether cut it down drasticaly or remove it completely. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:18, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::Yes, there's a lot of it, and yes, it could be cleaned up, but it definitely belongs on the knowlegdge base as opposed to the fanstuff wiki. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:13, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

== Censor Notice ==

I beleive these sightings page should have an "obscene language/imagery" notice template appended to these, some of these links can either have obscene language in other parts of the site, or risque images. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:56, 3 December 2005 (UTC)

:I agree, we've even had to delete some of them because it had to do with cruelty and nudity. A notice somewhere around here would be more appropriate. {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 21:59, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
:2nd. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 22:01, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
::Agreement. Even though I have no problem with such, others might. And I always think of others. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::I think we should individually put brief censor notices next to each link that leads to inappropiate content. That way younger uses can check out the good while avoiding the bad. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 22:32, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
::::I also add that we have censored versions of interviews, when necessary. This would be related. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::Yeah, I think having both notices would be a great idea: a general explanatory notice, and then wherever possible short warnings next to selected content. As for interviews: I know that the [[Inkhole Interview]] has a [[Inkhole_Interview_%28censored%29|censored]] version. The [[:Category:Interviews_and_Public_Appearances|category]] itself shows several interviews already with censored versions. It is possible that the rest did not need censoring. The [[Interviews and Public Appearances]] page links first to the uncensored versions and I think should either link first to the censored versions or provide links to both. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 13:00, 4 December 2005 (UTC)
I have created the following two templates: {{tl|sitelanguagenotice}} and {{tl|sightingslanguagewarning}} for the aforementioned notices. The Animation Sightings page has it, and so does [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Animation_Sightings&diff=213282&oldid=213281 this] section. I will be adding the notice to the other sightings pages. Please be aware that the wording may be a little ad hoc. So if you can come up with better wording. Cool! That would be {{quote|da bearm}}! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:12, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

== Different Break Down ==

This is just an idea that will probably get rejected, but I think that this page would be more useful if, instead of breaking the sigtings up by media, we broke them up by topic. For example, a separate page for all the sigtings of "Burninate", etc. We could then create a page for Possible References so that there would be fewer arguments over what is a sighting and what isn't. I feel like this would definately make the sightings more organized. If you guys like it, I'd be willing to do the moving. Just my thought. -[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 21:30, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

: These were the categories that I think we should break this into:

* Sightings of Trogdor & "Burninate"
* T-Shirt Sightings
* Possible Sightings
* Apostrophe D ('D) Sightings
* Peasant's Quest Sightings
* Mention of homestarrunner.com
* Mention of Characters
* Quotes Sightings
* Pictures of Actual Site
* TMBG Mentioning H*R.com
* Covers of H*R Songs/H*R Tribute Songs
* Thank Yous to H*R or SB

-[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]]

== Unconfirmed Star Wars EU sighting ==

Hey, I'm not logged in, but according to the [http://starwars.wikicities.com/wiki/List_of_references_to_Earth_in_Star_Wars#Science_fiction_stories_set_in_our_galaxy Star Wars Wiki,] Homestar Runner might've made a tiny reference, but since it's so minor, it's unconfirmed. (Homestar was the name of a Corellian cantina in a comic)
[[User:66.142.252.20|66.142.252.20]]

== Wall Street Journal ==
(Ok, we don't have a newspaper section, so I'm not sure where to dump this. Someone move it where it needs to go, please. --[[User:James|JamesGecko]] 02:09, 30 July 2006 (UTC))

In the July 29-30 weekend edition of the Wall Street Journal had an article entitled "Moguls of New Media" in the Pursuits section. It talked about the internet media phenomena, and Homestar Runner was featured prominently. A slightly stretched image of Strong Bad checking his email was on the front page of the section, and he appeared again in the "What to watch" sidebar. TBC also appeared in a sidebar under the title "The Pioneers", with the following text:
"Since 2000, these Decatur, Ga., brothers have made hundreds of cartoons and videos featuring a roster of absurd characters for their Web site. One of the most popular is Strong Bad, the star of a series that's now produced as a regular podcast (see 'What to watch,' left)."
There appears to be no mention of Homestar Runner in the article main article body.

Talk:Mashing

James — Mon, 24 Jul 2006 21:46:52 GMT

James: vocab

I don't know if this is an official running gag yet or not, but ""Mashing go/play" on something is seen in Everybody Knows It, flashback, alternate universe, and the introduction to Disc One of strongbad_email.exe" is pretty ugly. {{User:SBLOUNSKCHED!/sig}} 07:03, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
: Yeah. In fact i don't know how this counts as a page. It doesn't really tell us anything. So... '''BALLETED''' [[User:Sbmaniac|Sbmaniac]] 19:46, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
::No, I think this page is legitimate. And it's been cleaned up a bit. Let it stay. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::You're probbably right. But i think we need a few more appearences to make this a solid page. [[User:Sbmaniac|Sbmaniac]] 22:46, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
::::Six is more appearances than for a lot of pages we have. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:48, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::OK OK, i get it,I will keep it. [[User:Sbmaniac|Sbmaniac]]

"Mash" as opposed to "press" as in "mash go" is typical in the South. Since the brothers Chaps are from Atlanta, I think it makes sense that they say "mash." Just thought it was worth mentioning. The same applies to "nana" instead of "grandma."
:I'm from the South and I've never heard this in my life. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 21:14, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
::Ditto. Well, outside of Homestar Runner. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 21:27, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
:::I live about an hour away from TBC, and while "Mash go" is not a staple of the Georgian vocabulary, it is by no means considered unusual for someone to use the phrase. --[[User:James|JamesGecko]] 21:46, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Floppy Disk Container

James — Wed, 01 Feb 2006 19:05:26 GMT

James: Actually, NeXT made the first Personal Computers not to have floppy disks. Still Steve Jobs, though. ;-)

'''The Floppy Disk Container''' sits to the right of [[Strong Bad]]'s computer. It shows the latest game he has been playing. [[The Brothers Chaps]] often comment on the featured game in many of their [[strongbad_email.exe|DVD]] commentaries. This page catalogs appearances of the Floppy Disk Container, with screenshots, the toon or emails where it appeared, a brief explanation of the game mentioned on the floppy disk, and sources of supplementary material about the game. The majority of the labels are names of computer games and mostly obscure ones from the '80s. Strong Bad also [[Couch Mumbling|mumbles]] SNES games in his sleep, but these are generally newer and less obscure. This has become a running joke, and although the first Floppy Disk Container appeared in the email [[little animal]], the disks were not labeled until [[ghosts]]. They are usually labeled in red marker, though in some of the early appearances they were labeled in blue.
{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! Image !! Appearances !! Explanation !! Sources
|- id="5.25_inch_disks"
| [[Image:Floppy_little_animal.PNG|150px|Blank 5.25 Inch Disk]] || [[little animal]], [[superhero name]], [[do over]] (in the do over of [[sisters]]) || The '''5.25 inch disks''' were the standard disk until the 3.5 inch floppies came out. The 5.25 inch disks are what gave both kinds of disk the title 'floppy', as you could easily bend the disks, enough to nearly fold them over without them breaking. They were replaced by the 3.5 inch floppies in the early 1990's, which have been mostly replaced by the compact disc. The 3.5 disks still survive by being rewritable, and are therefore used for transferring very small files. They have been replaced by the compact disc and USB flash drive. The first floppy-less personal computers were made by NeXT, and many computers replace the Floppy drive with an 8-in-one memory card reader. || [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk Wiki] [http://computer.howstuffworks.com/floppy-disk-drive1.htm Here] [http://www.accurite.com/FloppyPrimer.html Here] [http://www.douglasmedia.com/prod8.html Here]
|- id="tongue_of_the_fatman"
| [[Image:Floppy_ghosts.PNG|150px|Tongue Of The Fatman]] || [[ghosts]], [[50 emails]] || '''Tongue of The Fatman''' was a fighting game for DOS and Commodore 64, released in 1989. You choose from different alien races (including Human) with different abilities and fighting styles, purchase weapons and devices, and fight your way through multiple opponents to face the Fatman. Some of the more innovative features include being able to place wagers on the outcome of the fight, and the phenomenon of a special move becoming less powerful the more you use it to balance gameplay. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/gameId,1067/ Moby] [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?name=Tongue+of+The+Fatman Udogs] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/data/31897.html Faqs]
|- id="lode_runner"
| [[Image:Floppy_morning_routine.PNG|150px|Lode Runner]] || [[morning routine]], [[cheat talk]] || '''Lode Runner''' was a strategy type game for DOS and Apple, originally created in 1983. It was originally an ASCII game, where you (Jake Peril) were simply a $ sign (The enemies were ¶'s). The object of the game was to win back treasures stolen by the Evil Empire. Eventually re-released on the Apple II as 'Miner', it featured real graphics. Finally Miner was submitted to Brøderbund and was finally published, under the name 'Lode Runner'. Countless versions of this game have been made and circulated over the Internet. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,4/gameId,243/ Moby] [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?gameid=651 Udogs] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/apple2/data/26603.html Faqs] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lode_Runner Wiki]
|- id="loom"
| [[Image:Floppy_current_status.PNG|150px|Loom (Disk 1 of 24)]] || [[current status]] || '''Loom''' was an adventure game for the PC, released in 1989. It was one of a variety of games created by LucasFilms (Now LucasArts) Games. You are Bobbin Threadbare, the mysterious "Loom child" and member of the Weaver Guild who must embark on a perilous journey to follow his guild members who were turned into geese and flew away from the Loom island. All puzzles are solved using a variety of spells cast from a magical staff, with no traditional inventory. There weren't actually 24 disks, at least not for the original version. There was the option of six 5.25" Double Density (360KB) disks, or three 3.5" Double Density (720KB) floppies. Loom was also later released on CD-ROM with a bonus soundtrack disc bundled with Creative brand sound cards. Loom was also released for the Macintosh platform on three 3.5" discs. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,2/gameId,176/ Moby] [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=655 Udogs] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/data/11465.html Faqs] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOOM Wiki] [http://www.creative.com Here]
|- id="star_flight"
| [[Image:Floppy_huttah!.PNG|150px|Star Flight]] || [[huttah!]] || '''Starflight''' was a ship game created by Electronic Arts for the PC and Sega Genesis, released in 1986 and 1991, respectively. Mankind has left earth due to an exhaustion of resources, and need to colonize another planet. Then basically you just travel around the galaxy mining, gathering crew, fighting aliens, and trying to figure out why star systems are being blown up, without getting blown up with them. A very long-winded game. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/gameId,115/ Moby] [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?gameid=2086 Udogs] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/data/11678.html Faqs]
|- id="rise_of_the_dragon"
| [[Image:Floppy_interview.PNG|150px|Rise Of The Dragon]] || [[interview]] || '''Rise Of The Dragon''' was a puzzle game for DOS, Amiga, and Sega CD, released in 1990. It was Dynamix's first game, presented in a Blade Runner-like environment and story. You assume the role of ex-cop William “Blade” Hunter, contracted to root out the source of a deadly new drug, MTZ, that ships in patch form and has a tendency to turn users into lizard creatures before killing them. There are a couple of arcade sequences but they are forgiving since they can be skipped if you die enough times. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,2/gameId,98/ Moby] [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=910 Udogs] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/data/11129.html Faqs]
|- id="friendly_ware"
| [[Image:Floppy_unused_emails.PNG|150px|Friendly Ware]] || [[unused emails]] || '''Friendly Ware''' was a software package for the PC, released in 1987. It was released by Friendlysoft, written in BASIC, and rendered in text mode via clever use of ASCII characters. The games included Master Mind, Nevada Dice, Killer Maze (navigate 3D mazes), Sea Battle (find a submarine with depth charges), Boggy Marsh (find monsters in a marsh), Hangman, Tic-Tac-Toe (unbeatable against computer), Wildcatter (an oil drilling simulation), Othello, Peg Leap (basic remove pegs game), Blackjack, Dominoes, Golf, Head Coach (a football simulation), Match (a Memory-style game) and Towers of Atlantis (a Towers of Hanoi game). Other software included a number of financial programs, eye and ear tests, an ASCII drawing program, a biorhythm charter (which suffers from the Y2K bug), sports prediction software, and a computing tutorial. || [http://www.bhlegend.com/php/show.php3?game=1287 Here]
|- id="manhunter_new_york"
| [[Image:Floppy_caper.PNG|150px|Manhunter New York]] || [[Arcade Game]], [[caper]] || '''Manhunter New York''' was an adventure game for DOS, Atari ST, and Amiga, released in 1988. It was made about a year into Sierra On-Line, by Dave, Barry, and Dee Dee Murray. It is set 16 years into the 'future', in the year 2004. In 2002 The Orbs, an alien race composed of enormous eyeballs, invaded the planet Earth, mainly New York. Two years later, in 2004, you play a Manhunter, whose only job is to track down human criminals and bring them to justice. Another 'first person, point and click' type game. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,2/gameId,24/ Moby] [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=680 Udogs] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/data/11668.html Faqs] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhunter_%28game%29 Wiki]
|- id="world_games"
| [[Image:Floppy_big_white_face.PNG|150px|World Games]] || [[big white face]] || '''World Games''' was a sports game for DOS and Commodore 64, made in 1987. It was made by Epyx, a company that made mostly sports games. World Games was a great collection of sports games from around the globe. It not only had good gameplay, but was also educational, as each event started with an excellent introduction screen that gave both the background of the sport and basic rules. Some of the more enjoyable games included the Scottish Caber Toss and the Spanish Bull Riding. || [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=1287 Udogs] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/c64/data/16987.html Faqs]
|- id="space_shipper"
| [[Image:Floppy_privileges.PNG|150px|Space Shipper]] || [[privileges]] || '''Space Shipper''' is a fictitious game made by [[Videlectrix]], and looks to be a Gradius/1943-esque shooter clone. Fiendish lasers threaten to destroy the solar system! Explosions are taking over the galaxy!! It's Memorial Day and YOU were the only Spaceshipper who didn't have plans. Pilot your StarZoom to freedom! And time and a half!! || [http://www.videlectrix.com/videlectrix_catalog.html Vidx]
|- id="odell_lake"
| [[Image:Floppy_funny.PNG|150px|Odell Lake]] || [[funny]] || '''Odell Lake''' was an "educational" arcade game for the Apple II, released in 1986. It was created by MECC, a company known for making many educational games. It was a simulation game in which you take the role of a fish in Odell Lake, Oregon. You meet various forms of animal and plant life, including other types of fish. Each time you meet another animal or a plant, you must decide what to do. Your decisions determine whether or not you survive! || [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/apple2/data/921849.html Faqs]
|- id="50_K_race_walk"
| [[Image:Floppy_sibbie.PNG|150px|50K Race Walk]] || [[sibbie]] || '''[[50K Racewalker]]''' is a game made by [[Videlectrix]], programmed by [[Jonathan Howe]]. The aim of the game is to alternate pressing left and right for nearly a full day in order to finish. If a player presses buttons too fast or out of sequence, he or she will be overwhelmed with an annoying "FAULT" message. According to Videlectrix, "you take a few (million) steps in the game, and you won't (will) be disappointed. Left, right, left, right, left, right, left, right, left, right, right, OOPS! You lose." || [http://www.videlectrix.com/videlectrix_demos.html Vidx] [http://www.videlectrix.com/videlectrix_catalog.html Vidx]
|- id="7th_guest"
| [[Image:Floppy_anything.PNG|150px|7th Guest]] || [[anything]] || '''The 7th Guest''' was a puzzle game for DOS, Windows, and Macintosh, released in 1993. It was created by Virgin Interactive Entertainment, the same people who brought us Shogun. It's set in the Stauf mansion, Stauf being a maker of toys that have been cursed, making their owners quite ill. He has invited 6 guests to his house to unravel the mysteries of the building, then he invites the 7th guest, you. Once there, you have to solve a variety of puzzles. There's an atmosphere as well that tries to tie it all together, including clips of actors and sound effects, but the majority of the game is a big puzzle collection. The puzzles don't have directions or instructions, meaning you have to learn through trial and error. Not a game for the ages, but an entertaining collection of puzzles. The 7th Guest was never available on floppy disks. It was one of the first popular CD-ROM games, often used to sell CD-ROM drives. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,2/gameId,283/ Moby] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/data/11550.html Faqs] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7th_Guest Wiki]
|- id="tass_times_in_tonetown"
| [[Image:Floppy_the_process.PNG|150px|Tass Times In Tonetown]] || [[the process]] || '''Tass Times in Tonetown''' was an adventure game for PC, Apple II, Atari ST, Amiga, and Commodore 64, released in 1986. It's a quirky, underrated game made by Activision. Your job: visit Tonetown, a psychedelic punk rock alternate reality, to save your grandpa from a hideous crocodile creature named Franklin J. Snarl. You also have the aid of your dog who not only talks but becomes a star reporter. The puzzles are numerous but most are easy. With a world of floating phones, triangular moons, and wacky puzzles, all created through your grandpa's dreams thanks to the "dream hoop" he invented, Tass Times in Tonetown is an extremely original game enjoyed by Adventure game fans. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,4/gameId,90/ Moby] [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=1130 Udogs] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/data/11093.html Faqs]
|- id="One_on_One"
| [[Image:Floppy_mile1.PNG|150px|One On One]] || [[mile]] || '''One on One''' was a pioneering sports game for the Commodore 64 and Atari 400/800, released in 1984. It was one of Electronic Arts' first games, a company known best for their quality sports games. This basketball game is a faithful translation of the real thing, with fouls and traveling calls, free throws, a three-point line, and even a shot clock. There are a number of gameplay options — play for a certain amount of time or first to a set score, winner's or loser's outs, etc. Players have a fatigue bar that decreases when running around and replenishes when holding still; fatigued players don't move as quickly. It had decent graphics for its time period, but substandard sound effects. || [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/c64/data/2721.html Faqs]
|- id="blank_floppy_disks"
| [[Image:Floppy_mile0.PNG|150px|Cheat Style Floppy]] || [[mile]] || They're '''blank floppy disks''' animated by The Cheat. The titles are unseen until you click on them, revealing the titles of the disks in Easter eggs. Like the real floppy disk container stolen by The Cheat in 'puppet time', there's not too much to say about them. || [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk Wiki] [http://computer.howstuffworks.com/floppy-disk-drive1.htm Here] [http://www.accurite.com/FloppyPrimer.html Here] [http://www.douglasmedia.com/prod8.html Here]
|- id="out_of_this_world"
| [[Image:Floppy_mile2.PNG|150px|Out Of This World]] || [[mile]] || '''Out of This World''' was an Action Adventure game for DOS, Windows 3.X, SNES, Atari ST, Amiga, Genesis, and 3DO, made in 1991. You assume the role of Lester, a young physics professor, who suddenly finds himself on a strange alien world after lightning strikes his particle experiment. It's a cinematic game featuring realistic vector graphics and animation. It has plenty of animated cutscenes and ambient sound effects, despite fitting on one 5.25 disk. The original (French?) name for this game is '''Another World'''; Out Of This World was its US release name.|| [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,2/gameId,564/ Moby] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/data/11089.html Faqs] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Another_World_%28video_game%29 Wiki]
|- id="NITEMARE_3-D"
| [[Image:Floppy_mile3.PNG|150px|Nitemare 3-D]] || [[mile]] || '''Nitemare 3D''' was an action game, obviously 3D, for DOS and Windows 3.X, made in 1994. It was made by Gray Design Associates, a company not known for much else. It's linked to the Hugo House of Horror series in that you assume the role of Hugo in an attempt to save Penelope. You basically go through a three-dimensional house of horrors defeating all sorts of evil things, in a first-person environment. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,2/gameId,2595/ Moby] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/data/12022.html Faqs] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitemare_3D Wiki]
|- id="old_game"
| [[Image:Floppy_couch_patch.PNG|150px|Old Game]] || [[couch patch]] || The title "'''Old game'''" could either simply be a generic title for an old 80's or 90's game, or 'It's a Funny Old Game', the only game name remotely close to the floppy disk label. It was a sports game released for Windows in 1996. It's a light-hearted, amusing soccer game, with cartoon drawings to depict players, and an animated soccer ball that bounces on the pitch to signify each team's advances in the match. It also has features including player drafting, training schedule, sponsor and finances, and formation selections. Fatigue even plays a big role in the matches' outcome. A major drawback is the short time limit for the player as manager of the team, which limits team building and championships. || [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?gameid=1596 Udogs]
|- id="nabunagas_ambition"
| [[Image:Floppy_kind_of_cool.PNG|150px|Nobunaga's Ambition]] || [[kind of cool]] || '''Nobunaga's Ambition''' was a turn-based strategy game for DOS, NES, SNES, Amiga, and Genesis, released in 1988. It was set in Japan's "Warring States" period, in the 16th century. You take on the role of a daimyo such as Nobunaga Oda, a merciless ruler and great strategist, and try to conquer Japan. Through turns you manage your armies (recruit new soldiers, train army, buy weapons etc.), keep your subjects happy, form alliances, or play dirty and hire ninjas to bribe & assassinate. Daimyos die of old age or sickness, giving this game a time limit. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,2/gameId,5825/ Moby] [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?gameid=770 Udogs] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/nes/data/7984.html Faqs]
|- id="seicross_suckross"
| [[Image:Floppy_army.PNG|150px|Seicross (Suckcross)]] || [[army]] || '''Seicross, Aka "Suckcross"''', was a Sports Action game for DOS and the NES, released in 1988. It was made by FCI, another little-known game making company. The planet Colura and its peaceful inhabitants, the Petras, have been attacked by another badly-named and much more hostile tribe known as the Basrah. While most of the Petras have hidden underground, there are still a few left out in the open. It's your job to cruise on a bike through numerous terrains, scooping Petras up to safety. The graphics are simplistic, the music poor and repetitive, the controls are touchy, the game is basically the same thing over and over, and it doesn't really have much of an ending. Quite deserving of the title 'Suckcross'. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,22/gameId,15184/ Moby] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/nes/data/8104.html Faqs]
|- id="bio_menace"
| [[Image:Floppy_video_games.PNG|150px|Bio Menace]] || [[video games]] || '''Bio Menace''' is a classic sidescrolling adventure shooter game for DOS, released in 1993. It was created by Apogee, a company known for creating many adventure sidescrollers during that era. Basically, a scientist releases a pile of mutants and holds the world hostage, and it is up to Snake Logan to save the day. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,2/gameId,236/ Moby] [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=3144 Udogs]
|- id="maniac_mansion"
| [[Image:Floppy_lackey.PNG|150px|Maniac Mansion]] || [[lackey]] || '''Maniac Mansion''' was an adventure game for DOS, Apple II, NES, Atari ST, Amiga, and Commodore 64, released in 1987 by LucasFilms (Now LucasArts) Games. It featured multiple characters to choose from, four possible endings, multiple solutions to the puzzles, and a very non-linear structure in general, giving the player a wide range of methods to win. The plot is to save the girlfriend of one of your characters. The only hurdle is the residents of the Maniac Mansion, as well as the mansion itself. It's made to be a spoof on every cheesy action/horror/sci-fi movie of the 80's, making the game a purposeful joke. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,2/gameId,714/ Moby] [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=4894 Udogs] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/data/11439.html Faqs] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maniac_Mansion Wiki]
|- id="hypou_blade"
| [[Image:Floppy_stupid_stuff.PNG|150px|Hypou Blade]] || [[stupid stuff]] || '''Hypou Blade''' is likely referring to '''HyperBlade''', said with a [[Homestar Runner|Homestar]] speech impediment. HyperBlade was a hockey game released for Windows in 1996. Made by Activision, HyperBlade introduces the 3D battlesport of the future. Players engage in a futuristic street-hockey style game with a very different twist. Body-checks (weapons are included) go for blood in this game as players can be gruesomely eliminated from the game. Power-ups, speed boosts, ramps, and simple team management (for substitutions) are all part of the experience. Some strategy is required for play, but it's mostly pure action. It was also one of the first titles ever to make use of the 3DFX graphics card. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,3/gameId,1776/ Moby] [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=4625 Udogs] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/data/11800.html Faqs]
|- id="BAAL"
| [[Image:Floppy_different_town.PNG|150px|BAAL]] || [[different town]] || '''BAAL''' was a little known Action game for the Atari ST and Commodore 64, released in 1989. You are a member of the Time Warriors, an elite commando unit sent into an alien lair to defeat Baal, a crazy demon who is bent on conquering Earth. Featuring grotesque looking aliens, BAAL has a reputation as being a mildly disturbing action game. Overall, besides the creepy look of the game, there is little surprise or challenge to keep anyone playing to the end. A rather lackluster shooter. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,24/gameId,3850/ Moby] [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=1569 Udogs] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/search/index.html Faqs]
|- id="real_floppy_disk_container"
| [[Image:Floppy_Puppet_Time.PNG|150px|Puppet Style Floppy]] || [[Puppet Time]] || This is a '''real floppy disk container'''. It may be labeled, but the quality is too poor to see. Like the blank floppy disk animated by The Cheat in 'mile', there's not too much to say about it. || [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Floppy_disk Wiki] [http://computer.howstuffworks.com/floppy-disk-drive1.htm Here] [http://www.accurite.com/FloppyPrimer.html Here] [http://www.douglasmedia.com/prod8.html Here]
|- id="Cave_Quest"
| [[Image:Floppy_flashbackandDVD.PNG|150px|Cave Quest And Cave Quest]]|| [[flashback]], [[strongbad_email.exe Disc One]] || '''Cave Quest''' was an adventure game that [[The Brothers Chaps]] made when they were younger, likely in the late 1980's or 1990's. They made it on the Apple II, and it supposedly had "gorgeous low-res Apple II C+ graphics." || [http://www.adventuregamers.com/article/id,416 Here]
|- id="shogun"
| [[Image:Floppy_SBIIJC.PNG|150px|Shogun]] || [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]] || '''Shogun''' was an adventure game for DOS, released in 1988. It was made by Virgin Interactive Entertainment, the same people that brought you 7th Guest. Basically you wander around as one of a number of characters, trying to build up your rapport with the people. If that fails, you can also battle and plunder, working your way up to the status of Shogun. You can also collect items during your adventures, including weapons and armour. The game doesn't end until you die or become Shogun. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,2/gameId,1645/ Moby] [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=1538 Udogs] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/nes/data/28231.html Faqs]
|- id="ugh-lympics"
| [[Image:Floppy_car.PNG|150px|Ugh-lympics]] || [[car]] || '''Caveman Ugh-lympics''' was a sports game for DOS, Commodore 64, and NES (where it was entitled Caveman Games), released in 1988. It was made by Electronic Arts, a company well known for making quality sports games. In this early game of theirs you assume the roles of various cavemen while competing in prehistoric sports, namely Saber Race, Mate Toss, Clubbing, Firemaking, Dino Race and Dino Vault. The controls are somewhat awkward, but with up to a 4-player option (as many as 6 players on the NES), and fun events, Caveman Ugh-lympics makes for a short, quirky game. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,2/gameId,4230/ Moby] [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?gameid=183 Udogs] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/c64/data/1418.html Faqs]
|- id="tengen_classix"
| [[Image:Floppy_haircut.PNG|150px|Tengen Classix]] || [[haircut]] || '''Tengen Classix''' was likely a collection of the best classic games made by Tengen. Tengen was the name given to Atari so they could make and trade games for the Nintendo Entertainment System after Atari was refused a license by Nintendo. It made games from 1985 through 1993 for a wide array of platforms, from Amiga to ZX Spectrum, and everything in between. Over 40 games were credited to them, with titles such as Paperboy 1&2, Tetris, Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, Ms. Pac-Man, Hydra, and many many more. || [http://www.mobygames.com/browse/games/o,100/j,1359/ Moby] [http://www.the-underdogs.org/company.php?id=402 Udogs] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tengen_%28company%29 Wiki]
|- id="alone_in_the_dark"
| [[Image:Floppy_replacement.PNG|150px|Alone In The Dark]] || [[replacement]] || '''Alone in the Dark''' was an Action Adventure game for DOS and 3DO, released in 1992. Marketed by Interplay as a horror game, it was a 3D adventure game with some action thrown in, loosely based on the works of H.P. Lovecraft. You play a character that is driven to investigate a "suicide" in an old Louisiana mansion. Little do you know, however, of the lurking horrors that await you. Many enemies, few weapons, and one goal: Escape alive. It is the forerunner to modern day horror games. Resident Evil 1 in particular owes a lot to it in gameplay mechanics, player-view and setting. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,2/gameId,325/ Moby] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/data/11071.html Faqs] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alone_in_the_dark Wiki]
|- id="bushido"
| [[Image:Floppy_cheatday.PNG|150px|Bushido]] || [[cheatday]] || '''Bushido''' was an Action game for DOS, released in 1983. It was made by Ebenel Enterprises, a company whose best and only credit was Bushido. It was a martial arts fighting game set in feudal Japan with a simple premise: fight a multitude of enemies in a multitude of settings. Very repetitive, but a pioneer of the martial arts fighting genre. In Japanese, bushido means "way of the warrior". ||[http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,2/gameId,1351/ Moby] [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=159 Udogs] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/c64/data/1378.html Faqs]
|- id="thexder"
| [[Image:Floppy_the_facts.PNG|150px|Thexder]] || [[the facts]] || '''Thexder''' was an Action game for DOS, Apple II, and Amiga, released in 1987. It was a platform shooter from Japan, with many levels and diverse enemies that gradually increase in difficulty. You pilot a Robotech-style robot capable of switching from a mech into a jet at any time, complete with auto-aim, rechargable energy, and a short-term shield that can be activated to protect you from harm. It didn't have a save option, however, so playing for an hour just to die at the same point eventually starts to get frustrating. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,2/gameId,49/ Moby] [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?gameid=1150 Udogs] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/data/11765.html Faqs]
|- id="lunar_lander"
| [[Image:Floppy_lunar_lander.PNG|150px|Lunar Lander]] || [[time capsule]] || '''Lunar Lander''' was an ASCII graphic game originally played on mainframe consoles. Atari released an arcade game of the same name using vector graphics in 1979. It was later ported to the Atari 400/800 home computers line. The goal of the game was to correctly land a lunar module on the surface of the moon. If the player miscalculates the module's landing, the module will either fly off into space or crash hard against the moon's surface. Due to the simplicity of the design, it has spawned countless Flash copies on the Internet. || [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=3895 Udogs] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/coinop/arcade/data/3817.html Faqs] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Lander Wiki]
|- id="death_track"
| [[Image:Floppy_extra_plug.PNG|150px|Death Track]] || [[extra plug]] || '''Deathtrack''' was a racing game for DOS, released in 1989. It was made by Dynamix, with a simple premise. In the future, races are held across America where the drivers race for money, and their lives. You are the rookie. Welcome to Deathtrack. You start the game with a meagre sum, choose from one of three cars, either speedy, powerful, or armored. You race, you win, and your winnings can be used to upgrade your car's armour, weapons and parts to eventually make your car nearly invincible — which comes in handy, since this game doesn't really have an ending. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,2/gameId,1758/ Moby] [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=1538 Udogs] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/data/31898.html Faqs]
|- id="WOTR_Level_2"
| [[Image:Floppy_WOTRlevel2.PNG|150px|WOTR Level 2]] || [[strongbad_email.exe Disc Two]] || WOTR is likely short for '''War of the Ring''', a Lord of the Rings real-time strategy game for Windows, released in 2003 by Sierra. In this game you can choose to lead the forces of Good or Evil as each struggle to control the One Ring. The game is split into two 10-mission campaigns, and follow storylines not focused on in the books or movies. In the Good campaign, you follow Legolas, Gimli and Boromir as you manage to show up in Rivendell just in time to join the Fellowship of the Ring. In the Evil campaign, you must lead the forces of Sauron, break out of Mordor and besiege the city of Minas Ithil. This is the newest featured game to date, being at least 10 years later than the next latest release. The significance of the game being on Level 2 is currently unknown. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/windows/lord-of-the-rings-war-of-the-ring Moby] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/data/563555.html Faqs] [http://www.warofthering.com/ Here]
|- id="kid_speedy"
| [[Image:Floppy KSTimes2.PNG|150px|Kid Speedy]] || [[strongbad_email.exe Disc Three]], [[strongbad_email.exe Disc Four]] || '''[[Kid Speedy]]''' is an arcade-style game by [[Videlectrix]] that doesn't exist yet. According to the product description, everybody is faster than Kid Speedy. In addition, this little fatso is the slowest poke in the bunch. The object of the game is to avoid getting sweets and insults and preventing your player from coming in dead last in the race. Since on the third email disc the label was mostly obscured and unreadable, it was re-featured on the fourth disc. || [http://www.videlectrix.com/videlectrix_catalog.html Vidx]
|- id="Peasants_Quest_and_wheres_an_egg"
| [[Image:Floppy_PQWhereEgg.PNG|150px|Peasant's Quest/Where's An Egg?]] || [[strongbad_email.exe Disc Three]] || '''[[Peasant's Quest]]''' and '''[[Where's an Egg?]]''' are both games made by [[Videlectrix]]. Peasant's Quest was actually made, and released on August 2nd, 2004. It is a text-based game where you assume the role of a Peasant on a Quest to defeat [[Trogdor (character)|Trogdor]]. Where's an Egg is currently a fictitious game proposed by Videlectrix. In this hardboiled adventure game, you must help the Boise police force find a missing egg. Not in Mancuso's garage? Try Brodermaker's gymbag. Everyone's a suspect when "Where's an Egg?" is the game that you are playing. And that's this game!! || [http://www.videlectrix.com/videlectrix_catalog.html Vidx]
|- id="spy_vs_spy"
| [[Image:Floppy_virus.png|150px|Spy Vs Spy]] || [[virus]] || '''Spy Vs Spy''' was a strategy game for Apple II, NES, Atari ST, Amiga, Sega Master System, Commodore 64, and ZX Spectrum, released in 1984. It was first published by First Star Software and based on the MAD magazine comic about the slapstick antics of two spies trying to kill each other with improbably complex and elaborate traps and weapons. A fun two-player game, enjoyed with a friend or against the computer. You assume the role of either the black spy or the white spy, and try to beat your counterpart before the time bell rings. Find the needed objects hidden throughout the embassy, and set creative booby traps for your foe. This game has also been released on XBox and Game Boy Color. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,31/gameId,7332/ Moby] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/nes/data/8151.html Faqs]
|- id="future_wars"
| [[Image:Floppy_animal.PNG|150px|Future Wars]] || [[animal]] || '''Future Wars''' was an adventure game for DOS, Atari ST, and Amiga released in 1990. It was Delphine Software's debut and first attempt at a graphic adventure game with a point-and-click interface. A right click brings up the verb menu. After choosing one of the six commands, you point the mouse over the desired target and execute with a left click. You assume the role of a common window cleaner who finds a time machine in your chief's back office. Thus begins your adventure in both the past and the future. Evil aliens, beautiful girls, and sometimes very frustrating puzzles make up the bulk of this game. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,2/gameId,2205/ Moby] [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=1644 Udogs] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/data/11160.html Faqs]
|- id="oregon_trail"
| [[Image:Floppy_Main_Page_22_02.png|150px|Oregon Trail]] || [[Main Page 22]] || '''The Oregon Trail''' was an educational game for DOS, Windows, and Apple II, first released in 1985. It was made by MECC, a company known for making educational games, with Oregon Trail being its most notable accomplishment. As a covered wagon party of pioneers, you head out west from Independence, MO to the Willamette River and valley in Oregon. You first must stock up on provisions, and then, while traveling, make decisions such as when to rest, how much food to eat, etc. It incorporated strategy and planning ahead along with discovery and adventure as well as action (hunting and floating down the Columbia river). It also spawned several remakes and sequels. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,2/gameId,746/ Moby] [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=2972 UDogs] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/data/26639.html Faqs] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Oregon_Trail_%28computer_game%29 Wiki]
|- id="oregon_trail_2"
| [[Image:Floppy_Main_Page_22_01.png|150px|Oregon Trail 2]] || [[Main Page 22]] || '''The Oregon Trail II''' was an educational game for Windows and Apple Macintosh, released in 1996. It was also made by MECC, the second in a line of several remakes of the classic game. In this sequel to Oregon Trail you can do much more than its predecessor. You can travel to Salt Lake City or Oregon City, and start at several different places. You also have to deal with problems along the way, including starvation, broken appendages, and those sort of things. You'll probably even lose several members of your wagon along the way. But that's okay, as long as they don't include yourself. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/gameId,2217/ Moby] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/data/32195.html Faqs] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Oregon_Trail_%28computer_game%29#The_Oregon_Trail_2 Wiki]
|- id="miner_2049er"
| [[Image:Floppy_dreamail.png|150px|Miner 2049er]] || [[dreamail]] || '''Miner 2049er''' was an Arcade game created by Big Five Software for PC, Apple II, Atari 2600, Atari 400/800, Atari 5200, Commodore 64, and ColecoVision, released in 1983. You assume the role of Bounty Bob, traveling through a mine in search of treasure, in a game similar to to the classic Arcade game 'Donkey Kong'. In this game, however, you clear a level by walking over all the platforms, changing their color as you go. To reach all of the floor sections, you will need to enlist the help of ladders, elevators, slides, springboards, and even cannons! Collecting artifacts will render you temporarily invincible against the radioactive creatures wandering the mine. Beat all 10 levels and you win. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,4/gameId,8724/ Moby] [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=3714 UDogs] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/apple2/data/29175.html Faqs] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miner_2049er Wiki] [http://www.bigfivesoftware.com/ Big5]
|- id="battle_chess"
| [[Image:Floppy_secret_recipes.PNG|150px|Battle Chess]] || [[secret recipes]] || '''Battle Chess''' was a very popular chess program for DOS, Amiga, 3DO, Apple II, Atari ST, Commodore 64, and the NES, released by Interplay in 1988. Instead of the traditional representations of chess pieces, the game featured lifelike representations of the medieval classes the pieces are based on. For example, the pawns are depicted as armored soldiers, the rooks are depicted as monsters made of stone, and the queen is depicted as a sultry sorceress. Whenever one piece captures another, the game depicts the two pieces engaging in battle. The captured piece meets a gruesome and occasionally hilarious end. You can play against a friend or against the computer, which offers ten levels of difficulty, the highest of which can give even seasoned chess players a challenge. ||
[http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,2/gameId,1950/ Moby] [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?gameid=5009 UDogs] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/nes/game/587120.html Faqs] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Chess Wiki]
|- id="you_JERK"
| [[Image:You jerk!.PNG|150px|you JERK!]] || [[secret recipes]] || '''You JERK!''' is thusfar the only floppy disk label not to be game related. It was labled and then thrown by [[The Cheat]] at [[Strong Bad]], in response to Strong Bad offering a recipe on how to cook The CHE_T. ||
|- id="colorado"
| [[Image:colorado.PNG|150px|Colorado]] || [[rock opera]] || '''Colorado''' was a historical adventure game for DOS, Amiga, and Atari ST, released by Silmarilis in 1990. The second survival game after Le Fetiche Maya, Colorado casts you as a fearless adventurer who must deal with the Indians and wildlife in your search for the legendary Cheyenne goldmine. In addition to standard weapons, special objects such as a ship's horn lend an extra level of atmosphere and complexity to the already novel game. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/sheet/p,2/gameId,1722/ Moby] [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=213 UDogs]
|- id="fiendish_freddys"
| [[Image:fiendish_freddys.png|150px|Fiendish Freddys]] || [[long pants]] || '''Fiendish Freddy's Big Top O' Fun''' was a circus activity game for DOS, made by Mindscape in 1989. The game involved you at a circus performing in various acts, such as trapeze swinging and tightrope walking. All the while, you have an evil clown/property developer named Fiendish Freddy trying to obstruct your completion of the event, such as throwing smoke bombs during the knife throw. He does this because with each completion of the event, you raise money, but if you don't raise enough money after all the events, Freddy will demolish the circus to make way for a new office building. || [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=405 Udogs] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/c64/data/570728.html Faqs] [http://www.ysrnry.co.uk/articles/fiendishfreddysbigtopofun.htm Here]
|- id="hunt_the_wumpus"
| [[Image:Floppy Pay Plus.PNG|150px|Hunt the Wumpus]] || [[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]] || '''Hunt the Wumpus''' was an early computer adventure game based on a simple hide-and-seek format, originally created as a simple text-based game by Gregory Yob in BASIC, in 1972. Due to its simplicity, it has been reincarnated countless times, in many different internet sites, palm pilots, mobile phones, even calculators! A mythical creature called a Wumpus is sleeping somewhere in a series of maze-like caves, and your goal is to hunt it down! The cave is hazardous, with bottomless pits, cave bats, and of course, the Wumpus. If you run into the Wumpus, it will wake up and eat you. Deduce from clues the location of the Wumpus, and when you think you know, let fly your arrow! If it's a hit, you win, but if you miss, you are eaten. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/47/hunt-the-wumpus Moby] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunt_The_Wumpus Wiki]
|- id="typing_tutor_jr"
| [[Image:Floppy garage sale.PNG|150px|Typing Tutor Jr]] || [[garage sale]] || '''Typing Tutor Jr''' was a children's educational game for Windows and Mac, made by Selectsoft in 2001 or earlier. Similiar to the fictitious game "Typing Tutor" by Videlectrix, this game features short and quick lessons developed for kids in order to teach them how to type. It comes complete with a variety of games, and even a poorly named host, 'floater', a spaceman of sorts, to guide you through each lesson. || [http://www.selectsoft.com/repository/LSTYPTUJUJ Here]
|- id="marble_craze"
| [[Image:Floppy do over.PNG|150px|Marble Craze]] || [[do over]] || '''Marble Craze''' is a homebrew game for the Atari 2600 designed by [[Paul Slocum]], the same person who was planning on making the [[Homestar Runner RPG]]. The concept for Marble Craze arose from those wooden games that have two knobs used to tilt a board, rolling a marble through a maze in an attempt to avoid the holes. To properly simulate one of these games, both paddle controllers are utilized, one to control the vertical movement and the other to control horizontal movement. A simultaneous two-player mode is also available. || [http://www.atariage.com/store/product_info.php?products_id=99 Here] [http://qotile.net/marble.html Here]
|- id="karateka"
| [[Image:Floppy boring.PNG|150px|Karateka]] || [[boring (really)]] || '''Karateka''' was a side scrolling fighting game for DOS, Apple II, Atari 400/800, Atari 7800, Commodore 64, NES, and ZX Spectrum, released in 1986. It was made by Brøderbund, and was one of the first fighting games ever made. You play the role of a trained master Karateka and have to rescue the princess Mariko from the evil Akuma, who lives in a castle, well-guarded by innumerable fighters. With smooth, realistic graphics that were ahead of its time, it was a visual treat. Unfortunately, it was also quite repetitive, with enemies usually following the same format of attacks. Reaction times to change from one attack move to the next were also slow, making this game enjoyable for some, frustrating for others. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/karateka Moby] [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=2419 UDogs] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/nes/data/578260.html Faqs] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karateka Wiki]
|- id="the_news_room"
| [[Image:floppy_modeling.PNG|150px|The News Room]] || [[modeling]] || '''The Newsroom''' was a computer program for the Apple II, released in 1985. It was created by the company "Springboard", with the premise to create news stories. Among the features was a black and white paint program that allowed you to insert large clip-art sprites, as well as saving, loading, and printing your work. There were also several font sizes, limited page layout options, and even the capability of sending files by modem to other computers running the Newsroom program, even if they weren't Apple II's. || [http://apple2history.org/museum/software_misc/newsroom.html Here] [http://apple2history.org/history/appy/aha85.html Here]
|- id="wraith"
| [[Image:floppy_bottom10.PNG|150px|Wraith]] || [[bottom 10]] || Wraith most likely refers to '''"Wraith: the Oblivion"''', a role-playing game by White Wolf Publishing. In the game, players take on characters who are recently dead and are now ghosts — fictional "wraiths" of sorts. According to the publisher's web page, Wraith: the Oblivion is a game of "nightmarish horror and stunning beauty."|| [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wraith:_The_Oblivion Wiki] [http://www.white-wolf.com/Games/Pages/Wraithhome.html Here]
|- id="crush_crumble_and_chomp"
| [[Image:floppy_recordbook.PNG|150px|Crush, Crumble, & Chomp]] || [[record book]] || '''Crush, Crumble & Chomp''' was a strategy game for DOS, Apple II, Commodore 64, Atari 400/800, and TRS 80, released in 1981. You assume the role of a movie-style monster, becoming one of any number of giant crawling, swimming, or flying beasts. Technically this is a strategy game; you have to keep an eye on several statistics, including your health, appetite, and even such minute details as the tilt of your head (helps in aiming breath weapons). Destroy the city before the human military destroys you! || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/crush-crumble-and-chomp Moby] [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=2496 UDogs] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/c64/data/567478.html Faqs]
|- id="Curse_of_Ra"
| [[Image:floppy_curse_of_ra.JPG|150px|Curse of Ra]] || [[Real-Live E-Mails]] || '''Curse of Ra''' was an adventure/role-playing game for DOS and the Commodore 64, released in 1982 by Epyx Inc. This was the second in a series of expansion modules for a game referenced in [[homestar hair]], Temple of Apshai. A simple adventure game, your goal is to recover four treasures from four 'great constructs'. This expansion is quite similar to the original game (which is required in order to play the expansion), except set in ancient Egypt. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/dunjonquest-curse-of-ra Moby] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/c64/data/573220.html Faqs] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Apshai Wiki]
|- id="genghis_khan"
| [[Image:floppy_lady...ing.PNG|150px|Genghis Khan]] || [[lady...ing]] || '''Genghis Khan''' was a strategy game for DOS, Amiga, and the NES, released in 1989 by KOEI. You assume the role of Genghis Khan, and set out to conquer and unite Mongolia. It is based on some historical facts, such as following the same path of conquest that Genghis Khan did, giving it an [[Wikipedia:Edutainment|edutainment]] spin. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/genghis-khan Moby] [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?gameid=451 UDogs] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/nes/data/587298.html Faqs]
|- id="low_G_man"
| [[Image:floppy_geddup_noise lowgman.PNG|150px|Low G Man]] || [[geddup noise]] || '''Low G Man''' was a side-scrolling action game for the NES, released in 1990 by Taxan. In the year 2284, the human race has perfected space travel and is using robots to colonize the galaxy. Unfortunately, an alien race has captured a planet dedicated to building robots, and reprogrammed them to destroy humans! You are armed with a wide variety of weapons and a low gravity backpack, giving you the ability to jump higher than normally possible. You can also capture and drive some vehicles, after defeating the driver. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/nes/low-g-man Moby] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/console/nes/data/587423.html Faqs]
|- id="axe_of_rage"
| [[Image:floppy_geddup_noise.PNG|150px|Axe of Rage]] || [[geddup noise]] || '''Axe of Rage''' (originally released as "Barbarian II: Dungeons of Drax") was an action game for DOS, Amiga, Atari ST, Commodore 64, and ZX Spectrum, released in 1988 by Palace Software. It was the sequel to Barbarian I (or "Death Sword"). Drax, the wizard villain defeated in the first game, is back. Aided by the princess rescued in the first game, you must fight through the four levels of dungeons, using various strategies and moves to defeat various monsters, all in a quest to defeat Drax once and for all. Compared to the original, this game is regarded by many to be a disappointment. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/barbarian-ii-dungeons-of-drax Moby] [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?gameid=97 UDogs] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/c64/data/916797.html Faqs] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbarian_%28computer_game%29 Wiki]
|- id="swash_buckler"
| [[Image:floppy_sick_day.PNG|150px|Swash Buckler]] || [[Sick Day]] || '''Swashbuckler''' was an action game for the Apple II, released by Datamost, Inc. in 1982. Swashbuckler was a little-known early fighting game. The whole game takes place on the same screen. You're in the center and enemies such as humans, snakes, and rats come at you from either side. You've got a sword that can strike high, low or center, or block. As the game progresses the number and speed of the enemies increase until they're too fast for a human to handle. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/apple2/swashbuckler Moby]
|- id="sam_and_max"
| [[Image:Floppy_secret_identity.png|150px|Sam and Max]] || [[secret identity]] || '''Sam & Max Hit the Road''' was a fairly popular point-and-click adventure game for DOS, released by Lucasarts in 1993. It was based on the comic strip of similar name, ''Sam and Max Freelance Police''. You play as Sam (a Canine Shamus) and Max (a hyperkinetic rabbity thing), also known as the freelance police. Travel all over the US on the trail of a sasquatch named Bruno who was kidnapped from his place at the Hall of Oddities, and on the way visit locations such as The World's Largest Ball of Twine, The World of Fish, and The Mount Rushmore Dinosaur Tarpit. The game features some of the most twisted humor in a Lucasarts game, an has quickly become a cult favorite. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/sam-max-hit-the-road Moby] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/data/562679.html Faqs] [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_%26_Max_Hit_the_Road Wiki]
|- id="gold_rush"
| [[Image:Floppy_technology.png|150px|Gold Rush]] || [[technology]] || '''Gold Rush''' was an Adventure game for Amiga, Atari ST, and DOS, released by Sierra Entertainment in 1988. It was exceptional not only for its real-world puzzles and intriguing plot, but also because it was one of the first adventure games to be truly replayable. As a brash young New Yorker setting out to find your lost brother, choose your path to fame and fortune in California from 3 very different paths, each with its own obstacles, dangers and adventure. || [http://www.mobygames.com/game/amiga/gold-rush Moby] [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=465 UDogs] [http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/data/564731.html Faqs]
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HRWiki talk:A History

James — Tue, 20 Dec 2005 21:11:07 GMT

James: Maybe a formatting section?

== About this page ==

This is a page I'd like to see, and I will be working on it from time to time. As always, anyone who is willing is more than welcome to contribute. For you Harry Potter fans out there, the title is a takeoff of ''Hogwarts, A History''.

I would like this page to chronicle important dates of our wiki. Currently, I don't think we have a page that fits that description, but if we do, please let me know. Here are but just a few of the things that might be appropriate for this page:
*When and how the wiki originally got started, and who was involved
*When and how the original team of administrators was formed
*When and how the move to MediaWiki was accomplished, as well as subsequent upgrades
*How and why STUFF was originally created, and later how and why it was overhauled
*When and how sysops were elected or chosen
*When Willy on Wheels first struck, and how we have coped
*When NSMC first struck, and how we are coping
*First contact with TBC, and important contacts thereafter
*Important additions like the Forum, Fanstuff, and IRC channel
*Where we are now and what our current goals are
*Many other important events, anniversaries, etc.
I don't know exactly what the format should be, but I think it should be more than just a list. I'm envisioning paragraphs in something of a narrative form. We can start with a brief outline and build from there. Obviously, this will need a lot of input from those who were around in the early days. Does anyone else think this is a good idea? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:40, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
:Yes, please. I would love to see this page. I've always been curious about the origins and stuff, and would very much like to help with whatever I know (however little that is). This sounds like a really neat idea. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::This is a grand idea. Probably one of your best, Dot com. I'm sure there's alot more to add to your list there, but all in all, it sounds pretty interesting. {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 05:47, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Sounds cool to me, too. I also greatly appreciate the Harry Potter reference. I don't know if I'll be able to help much, since I'm still relatively new here, but I will certainly contribute if I think of anything. [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 05:49, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
::::More praise. It's good to know your roots. And I really feel this discussion should include at least one token link to [[origins]]. There. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 06:11, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::I was actually looking for just some of this information on the old wiki a few hours ago. One question though: Do we really want to give the vandals the satisfaction of having the notoriety(sp?) and/or visibility that inclusion on this page might bring them? {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 06:22, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::No, but your history is your history. And those two vandals in particular have caused more headaches for us than all the rest combined. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:31, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::Maybe instead of putting "STUFF" under "policy decisions" we could have "Important Additions" and include the creation of Feature Articles, Da Basement, The Stick, Patrol Committee, Welcoming Committee, etc. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 06:39, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::::Ooh, that's much better. Thanks. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:39, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::Ok, so now that all the titles are there, when is there going to be content added? I can see how people are cautious to adding what ever, since this isn't a very solid page. I thought that Dot com would of started adding things, but no one seems to be contributing. I don't know wether it's lack of knowledge of the past, or if no one is sure what to add. In conclusion; How is this going to work? {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 21:43, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::Patience, grasshopper. In fact, someone is working on a section even as I type this. Also, I need to get in touch with some users who were around in the beginning (esp. Joey and Tom) to help write those sections. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:04, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::::Ok, I understand. {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 22:08, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::::::::Great! I've always wondered about this! *is on a page in Goblet of Fire with ''Hogwarts, A History'' on it right now* - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::::::::Would perhaps simply "[[HRWiki:History]]" perhaps be a better title? I don't have much of a preference either way, they're both good. "HRWiki:History" just seems slightly more accurate. Either way, one of 'em 'll be a redirect. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:19, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Looks like [[HRWiki:History]] already ''is'' a redirect, actually. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::::::::::Yes, it is. And I chose this name specifically, TBird, to give it some character. Read the first line. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:27, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Sorry Dorian, I musta mis-worded. I knew it was a redirect, I was suggesting that if anything, we would switch them. And if the general feeling is to keep the "A", that's fine. I read why you named it so, but I just thought I'd throw the possibility out there. If anything, I'd think a reference to H*R in the title would be more applicable, than to Harry Potter. But again, I don't want to tread on anybody's toes. Forget I said anything, I guess this name is fine. (And I could be a bit biased, since I've never read the books or seen the movies, for Harry Potter) ;) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:32, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::You should. The books are quite captivating, and the most recent movie is ''excellent''. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:36, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::Mmmmm... I dunno, witchcraft has never really appealed to me much. I am looking forward to the next XMen movie this summer though. Now THAT'S a sweet franchise. (Hmm... perhaps we're starting to run slightly off topic...) :) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:41, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::::Well, it's not actually about ''witchcraft'' in the real-world sense; it's more fantasy. The magic is just a device to give the characters superpowers, to use an term analogous to X-Men. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:14, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I wasn't going to weigh in 'cause I didn't think my input would be needed, but my feeling is to keep it. Not being Potterliterate I have no vested interest in the reference, but even if it ''weren't'' one I enjoy the sound of it (you know, like "Britain: A Child's History in Verse") as well as the punning use of the namespace as, for once, a meaningful part of the construction! —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 06:52, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Actually, it's starting to grow on me. I suppose "A History" makes it a little more informal, like it's from the point of view of somebody, instead of a list of dates and facts. That way it can be written more from a historian's point of view, instead of turning into an article like [[H*R.com updates 2002|this]] or [[H*R.com updates 2003|that]]. Now THERE'S some dry reading. Whoever wrote those articles really needs to get a personality. :) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 07:01, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

== Focus on the story, not the descriptions ==

The first few sections of the page are shaping up nicely, but here are a few things to keep in mind: This page is about the ''story'' of the wiki; it's not just a list of its components. That is, we need to write about when Da Basement was created and why, not just give a description of it. When was the RC patrol formed? How has it evolved? Did you know that the IRC channel wasn't always popular, and that they attempted an AIM chatroom for a while? These are the insights I'm hoping this page will provide. The individual links to the various component pages can fill in the rest. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:51, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's what I was thinking. "This is a history, not a [[HRWiki:Glossary|glossary]]!" I just didn't know how to tell people such. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::I have an idea that might make it more historical—but instead of talking about it I'ma simply go do it. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 06:21, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Wait, it does need some talking. I was thinking with Da Basement, The Stick, Recent Changes Patrol, etc., that rather than simply saying "They exist", it would be nice to note ''when'' they were started. But can the first edit in the page history be taken as indicating this, or have earlier versions gotten archived somehow or something? The first one on The Stick is Joey with the comment "Creating The Stick." Did these entities ever exist, with the same function, under other names? —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 06:28, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
::::I think the earliest version in the history really is the creation of the various pages. Even if they were created as something else (as Da Basement was) and later moved, the history should remain intact. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:30, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
:Is the AIM channel even worth mentioning? As I remember, it was there for an hour, got filled with trolls, and abandoned. --[[User:James|JamesGecko]] 05:29, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
::Hey, it's JamesGecko! One of the early ''early'' wiki users! And your first contribution in four months! ... I don't know about the AIM channel much, only that it existed. I'm still trying to piece together lots of old forum posts. Your help would be invaluable for the section on the beginnings. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:32, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
:::<nowiki>*</nowiki>laughing* Yeah, it's me. Joey sent me a link. Funny, 4 months and I still feel the urge to use emoticons in talk pages... --[[User:James|JamesGecko]] 05:38, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

== Pics ==

what kinds of pics belong here???--{{User:Benol/sig}} 13:03, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

:I don't feel this is a good place to have pictures, though that's just my opinion. That is, if you're talking about pictures of the old wiki, Fanstuff, Forum, etc. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 13:05, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

::Actually, that's a pretty cool idea. We could have pics of each stage of the wiki as it progressed. That is, if we have the old edits on the archived wiki. Maybe a few mockups or something? --[[User:James|JamesGecko]] 18:44, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

:::I was already planning to put up some kind of logo section where we would show the evolution of our logo. Maybe screencaps of the whole site would be better. Archive.org (which seems to be down or at least very sluggish at the moment) has a lot of old versions of the site to get us started, but going back through the edit history might yield good results too. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:02, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

== Capital crimes ==

Hi, this is mainly for dot com since he recently reverted an edit about this but the question is open to all: How do we determine if every word in a section title is capitalized or when the first word is? Examples on this page of first word onlys are
:*The beginnings and early days, The start of year two, The start of year three, Recent changes patrol, and Administration and maintenance ... to name a few
:while others such as
:*Welcoming Committee, Early Administration, April 2005 Sysop Nominations, The Stick, and Da Basement
:Have each first word capitalized. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 14:32, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Oops. It was late when I made the outline. Each heading should be sentence case (only the first letter capitalized) unless it's a proper noun, such as Da Basement. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:14, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
:Crime Solved, but biscuit dough hands man slips through our fingers again. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 15:30, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

:: Also, as a matter of principle, when talking about specific wikis, such as the Homestar Runner Wiki or the Homestar Runner Fanstuff Wiki, the word "wiki" should be capitalized because it is part of the proper noun. The word "wiki" should not, however, be capitalized in most other contexts. Here are a few example sentences for clarification:

::* Joey decided to create a wiki in October 2003.
::* Since its conception, the Wiki has grown to over 1,100 articles.

::Hope this makes sense. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 00:54, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

== Various Researches ==

===Trolls===

{{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} was one of the very first trolls of the current Wiki layout. :) -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Not Thunderbird]] 01:00, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Main page trolling was stopped, by protecting said page, shortly after January 14th, 2005. [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=37087&oldid=37085 This] was the last troll.

===First Server Move===

Also, {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} was the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Teen_Girl_Squad&diff=prev&oldid=49222 last] person to make a change to the Wiki before the server move of early March '05, and the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Toilets&diff=prev&oldid=53747 first] person to make a change after the server move too. (For the sake of dates, the first server move took place from slightly after 23:51, 3 March 2005; to slightly before 20:41, 6 March 2005) -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Not Thunderbird Either]] 01:02, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

==Multiple Links==

I noticed that all the names are linked, and several and linked multiple times. shouldn't each name only be a link once? {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:21, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
:I think you are right. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:29, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
::I linked names only once, and then someone came along and linked them multiple times. Now that I look at it, usernames just look better linked, no matter where they are. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:29, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

== Old wikilink ==

Now that we link to the old wiki alot in this article, won't it be appropriate to create a short link to the old wiki? Something like <nowiki>[[Tavi:Stu|Stu's userpage]] or [[Old:Stu|same here]]</nowiki>. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 09:04, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

:We should never really be linking to the old Wiki outside of this historical context. The information is mostly outdated, so I rather like it being harder to link to. There's also rel="nofollow" to consider as well.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:16, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

::I agree with keeping them harder to link to, but technically they aren't external links. I'd be in favor of spanning them with the <code>plainlinks</code> class. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:35, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

==Main Page==

Does the evolution of the main page deserve a place on this page? How it evolved on the old Wiki, bringing the banner system to the new one, switching to the "red and blue box" format (but still keeping the same basic list of links), and finally switching to Featured article of the day format. Something along those lines? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 03:05, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

== Request for information ==

Hi, I'm posting this with regards to the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:A_History&diff=213050&oldid=212991 following] [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:A_History&diff=next&oldid=213050 edits]: apparently someone left a field open for someone to fill in (the ''UnknownPeriodOfTime'') field. So if anyone knows the correct value, I'd be very much obliged! (''As a side note, it is my recommendation that edits like that not be done. It is bad writing form and it might get missed by the editors. Better to put in in a talk page, that's what it's for.'') --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:01, 8 December 2005 (UTC)
:Sorry, that was me. Leaving fields and comments midway though articles used to be fairly common on the old wiki before the switch. (It sort of gave a less official feel to things, made it feel like more of a community thing, imho) Guess I'm still not used to having talk pages.--[[User:James|JamesGecko]] 17:46, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
::Ohhhh! No biggie! It makes a *lot* more sense now from your explanation! Perhaps it might even be ''nostalgic'' to put that field back in there? I won't complain. Anywho. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 03:28, 15 December 2005 (UTC)
:::It might be kinda interesting to have a section in there about how the editing style has kinda changed since hrwiki started. I mean, it used to be "Look, actual content! w00t!", now it's more like, "But is that content formatted correctly in accordance with the 3th revision of the standards set at the 26 annual meeting of the wiki board of directors?" Well, you get the idea. ;-) --[[User:James|JamesGecko]] 21:11, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

HRWiki talk:A History

James — Mon, 12 Dec 2005 17:46:12 GMT

James: sorry, that was me.

HRWiki:A History

James — Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:09:27 GMT

James: The 'Tavi site was shut down for a while.

[[Image:A_history.PNG|300px|thumb|Our proud heritage]]
The history of the '''Homestar Runner Wiki.'''

==Overview==
===The beginnings and early days===

In November 2002, a mutual friend emailed [[User:JoeyDay|Joey Day]] and [[User:Stu|Stu Wilde]] a link to [[Strong Bad Email|Strong Bad email]] #51, [[website]], knowing they would enjoy it since they are both web-design hobbyists. This was the first time they had experienced Homestar Runner, and both of them were immediately hooked.

Nearly a year later in September 2003, Joey stumbled across [[Wikipedia:Main Page|Wikipedia]], the free encyclopedia. He immediately fell in love with the concept and decided to start a wiki of his own. After researching the various wiki platforms available at the time, he settled on one called WikiTikkiTavi because it used a MySQL database and produced valid XHTML markup. He hadn't given much thought to scalability at the time, preferring something light and snappy over the larger and more stable platforms like Twiki, Moin Moin, or MediaWiki.

After installing the software on October 7, 2003, Joey decided he needed a topic. It didn't take him long to decide it should be a Homestar Runner knowledge base. After Googling to make sure no one had already set up such a thing, he promptly called his wiki the Homestar Runner Wiki.

In the first couple weeks Joey transcribed a few emails, starting with [[mile]], but then life crept in and he was unable to do much more. It took nearly two months for anyone else to discover the Wiki, but slowly and surely people began shuffling in. [http://old.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=hawk hawk] and [http://old.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=Maz Maz] were the first users to create UserSpaces, and when [http://old.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=Stu Stu] heard there were people on the Wiki he decided to set up his own UserSpace. [http://old.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=JamesGecko JamesGecko] was the first user to contribute significant content.

<blockquote>"I remember when there was nothing here but a transcript for the Strong Bad Email Mile, done by none other than yours truly. I about fell off my chair when I opened up StrongBadEmail one day to find that every email had been listed with a link to its own page. I about fell off my chair again when I opened it up a month later to discover that every email had been transcribed!" — Joey Day ([http://old.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=WikiChat%2FOldTimersClub WikiChat/OldTimersClub]).</blockquote>

The wiki was growing fast, but things really took off with the addition of the forum. For maybe two weeks, there was a wiki page called "forum", or something like that. For a few days, it had two or three threads going. After it hit 7 threads on one page JamesGecko posted two or three rules about format and thread creation and broke it into several subpages, one page per thread. Within a week or so, I believe we'd hit 25 or 50 threads. About that point, Joey started working on the forum.

For a longish time, the IRC channel was very empty. Tom, Tom's bot, and one or two other admins. There were a few other folks who would drop in every now and then, but it was still fairly boring. At one point JamesGecko noticed how many people had AIM user names listed on their user page and made an entry on the "forum" page inviting people to come to the AIM chatroom "homestarrunner". Within minutes, 20 or so wikiers appeared. It lasted for an hour, untill the local wiki troll appeared and annoyed everyone. (JamesGecko is unsure when the IRC channel took off. Info?)

===The start of year two===

===The start of year three===

===Goals for the future===

==Important additions==
===STUFF===
====First attempt====
====Overhaul====
===Featured articles===
===Da Basement===
[[HRWiki:Da Basement|Da Basement]] is a place for [[Special:Listadmins|administrators and sysops]] to congregate and discuss important issues that involve the wiki. These discussions range from new page ideas to formating and template changes to the content of the wiki. Although Da Basement is intended for sysops, anyone is allowed to contribute.

The page originaly started out with the name "Sysop water-cooler". Several users posted ideas for new titles. The title Da Basement, posted by [[User:FireBird|FireBird]], became the new name. This originated from [[Arcade Game]].

===The Stick===
Since May 2005, [[HRWiki:The Stick|The Stick]] has been the community center of the wiki. It has links to all the commitees, the community projects, and more, and it's the best place to go if you want to help the wiki, vote on STUFF'd articles, etc.

===Recent changes patrol===
[[HRWiki:Recent changes patrol|Recent changes patrol]] is a HRWiki committee that searches Recent Changes for red exlamation points (!). This crew patrols the wiki every time an edit has been made. This patrol is the Wiki's first line of defense. If anyone were to make an edit that is false, mispelled, or malicous, a user from the Recent Changes Patrol will revert that edit. Although any logged-in user is allowed to patrol, they are encouraged to join the committee if they do.

===Welcoming committee===
The [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]] is a group of users who welcome new users to the Wiki. These messages are added to the new user's talk page. These messages are meant not only to help the new user out as they get started, but to also make them feel more at home. Generally, welcome messages tend to include links to several helpful articles and pages, including the "[[Help:Contents|Help]]" section and the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Index MediaWiki user's guide]. Anyone is allowed to join the committee.

The Welcoming committee was created on October 7, 2004 by [[User:FireBird|FireBird]] after a (brief) discussion with [[User:Tom|Tom]].

==Important upgrades==
===Wiki Tiki Tavi===
===MediaWiki 1.3===
Around June 2004, it was becoming apparent that 'Tavi would no longer be able to handle the amount of traffic the Wiki was experiencing, and the admin team begain researching alternatives. On July 16, 2004, MediaWiki 1.3 [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=1 was installed] on the server at beta.hrwiki.org. It was secretly developed under the name "Experimental Wiki" for nearly two months and released in late August, 2004. For UnknownPeriodOfTime, while MediaWiki was getting set up, WikiTikiTavi was closed down, to ease the burden on the server.

*[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=2&oldid=1 First edit]
*[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=5&oldid=4 First productive edit]

===MediaWiki 1.4===
The Wiki was [[HRWiki:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4|upgraded to MediaWiki 1.4]] on April 3, 2005.

The Fanstuff Wiki was upgraded first on March 22, 2005. Some users perceived that it did not go over smoothly, though only a few problems actually arose. The site layout was altered and image uploading was down for about twelve days. Additionally, the history on some pages from mid-January to mid-March was lost. When the layout and uploading were fixed, the Knowledge-Base Wiki was upgraded without a hitch.

===MediaWiki 1.5===
On 9 October 2005, the wiki [[HRWiki:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.5|upgraded to MediaWiki 1.5]]. This added many new options to the wiki, not the least of which was the Move Log, which lists all the pages that have been moved. This addition was particularly useful for combatting the page-move vandal [[HRWiki:A History#Willy on Wheels|Willy on Wheels]].

However, the 1.5 upgrade also had a few bugs in it. One disabled all usernames starting with a lowercase initial. Such users then had to [[HRWiki:Changing username|change their name]] formally to continue editing the wiki. Another bug is one that automatically adds a user's talk page to their watchlist, thus causing a permanent stay of the "New Messages" alert. Neither of these issues has been resolved as of yet.

==Administration and maintenance==
===Early administration===
The 'Tavi software didn't have much in the way of administrative features. There was password-protected admin area that allowed a user to lock and unlock pages and block and unblock IPs. At first [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] was the only one with access to that page, but [[User:Stu|Stu]] was given access sometime in late 2003. Before the Wiki was upgraded to MediaWiki, [[User:Tom|Tom]], [[User:James|JamesGecko]] and [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] were also given administrator access.

When the Wiki was upgraded to MediaWiki 1.3 on July 16, 2004, the original group of bureaucrats/sysops consisted of [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]], [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]], [[User:Stu|Stu]], [[User:Tom|Tom]]. The Wiki continued to grow, and on (or just before) December 21, 2004, [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]], who had contributed greatly to the migration, was given bureaucrat/sysop privileges.

On February 5, 2005, the decision was made to begin utilizing the tiered permissions system of the MediaWiki software. On that date, [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] and [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] were given sysop priveleges, but they weren't given bureaucrat privileges or made part of the Admin Team.

===April 2005 sysop nominations===
In April 2005, the Wiki held its first [[HRWiki:April 2005 Sysop Nominations|sysop nominations]]. The nomination process was simple: once a nomination was made, several users posted their thoughts on who would be the best choice, though all the final decisions were made by the Admin Team. On April 25, 2005, the following users were accepted and given sysop privileges: [[User:FireBird|FireBird]], [[User:Furrykef|Furrykef]], [[User:Jay|Jay]], [[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]], and [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]]. Additionally, [[User:The Paper|The Paper]] became a sysop on April 27 and [[User:Homestar Coder|Homestar Coder]] on April 29.

===Later additions===
On September 9, 2005, during the second server move of the current wiki, two other sysops were added: [[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] and [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]. On November 16 of the same year, two bots, [[User:GrapeNuts|GrapeNuts]] and [[User:Valerie|Valerie]] (owned by [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] and [[User:Tom|Tom]] respectively), were made sysops for purposes of convenience, and [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] was made a bureaucrat and a part of the Admin Team on November 21.

==Infamous vandals==
===Willy on Wheels===
[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress/Willy on Wheels|Willy on Wheels]], or WoW for short, is a single or several persistent vandals. He began attacking the [[Wikipedia:Main Page|English Wikipedia]], and then moved on to most of the rest of the languages, as well as other wikis. The vast majority of his efforts center on Wikipedia and, to a lesser extent, the [http://www.wikimedia.org/ Wikimedia sister projects]. The only non Wikimedia wikis that WoW has ever attacked and reported are Wiki Cities, Travel Wiki, the Uncyclopedia, Wiki Info, and the heaviest hit, the HRWiki. His tactics are not similar to those of most other trolls and vandals, in that he uses only high-speed page move vandalism as his weapon. He first attacked the wiki in the summer of 2005, and has popped up somewhat frequently ever since. His method involved registering a username, opening a random page in several tabbed browsers, setting them up to move, and then rapidly executing the move before the username is blocked. It's impossible to know whether this is the work of one person or several copycats, but our WoW seems to originate with an AOL account. His vandalism is serious, but it's mostly just annoying compared to the more recent threat, NSMC.

===NSMC===
NSMC is a vandalbot that has caused widespread damage to several wikis. Its method of operation exploits various access points available to anonymous users. As a result, these access points have been temporarily disabled. In its first attack, it anonymously and randomly vandalized by replacing their contents with "N— stole my bike" and later "N— stole my cow". To avoid being blocked, the bot uses a vast amount of Internet proxies so that it can appear to originate from hundreds of IP addresses. The number of pages affected was in such a small amount of time that it created a [[Wikipedia:Denial_of_service_attack|denial of service]]. Later, when anonymous editing had been disabled, the bot created hundreds of random usernames with "NSMC" plus a number, each with one edit, so new-user registration was taken offline. After the knowlegde base was hit, then it moved to the Fanstuff. The usernames eventually became just random numbers approximately 20 characters in length, and the content of the vandalism changed from something static that we could search for to various bits of actual content. In the latest attack, the "email new password" feature of the user login page was abused, sending thousands of emails to various users. The identity of the vandal is not currently known, nor is the motive.

==Spinoffs==
===Forum===
===Fanstuff===
The [[HRFWiki:Main Page|Fanstuff wiki]] was created on November 24, 2004. Originally, when the old wiki was still around, the fanstuff articles and the knowledge base articles were kept on the same wiki. As the wiki grew, however, it became obvious that the Fanstuff needed its own space.

The Fanstuff wiki is for storing fanstuff users have created. They can write Other Character Emails, provide links to fanstuff animations they've done, or even write adventure stories about certain characters.

The Fanstuff, unlike the knowledge base, will let people create new pages, as long as they're related to [[Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)|Homestar Runner]] somehow. Naturally, seeing as the sky's the limit, the fanstuff has many more articles then the knowledge base. However, the knowledge base has more users; about 3000 more than the fanstuff.

===IRC channel===

The HRWiki Internet Relay Chat channel was created on 18 May 2005 by [[User:Tom|Tom Preuss]], as nickname ''Tom39''. Although its name, [irc://irc.freenode.net/hrwiki #hrwiki], and parent wiki both suggest that the topic would be kept strictly to Homestar related material, the atmosphere is calm and friendly. Language is kept at a ''PG'' level and personal attacks are not tolerated to keep the chat channel this way. Currently, this channel is kept in check by five of the six members of the [[Template:adminteam|Admin Team]], [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]], [[User:Tom|Tom]], [[User:Stu|Stu]], [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]], and [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]. On 7 September 2005, the Fanstuff wiki IRC channel, [irc://irc.freenode.net/hrwiki-fanstuff #hrwiki-fanstuff], was founded. This is a sightly looser and less constructed atmosphere for those who choose it, just as its parent wiki.

The IRC channel is a faster, more group-oriented, yet still annonymous way to communicate with fellow wiki users, as opposed to using [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=1 talk pages].
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HRWiki:A History

James — Tue, 06 Dec 2005 21:06:12 GMT

James: If I remember correctly, Tom, Stu, InterruptorJones, and myself were all given admin access at the same time. I didn't make much use of my adminship though, and it didn't carry over to the new wiki.

[[Image:A_history.PNG|300px|thumb|Our proud heritage]]
The history of the '''Homestar Runner Wiki.'''

==Overview==
===The beginnings and early days===

In November 2002, a mutual friend emailed [[User:JoeyDay|Joey Day]] and [[User:Stu|Stu Wilde]] a link to [[Strong Bad Email|Strong Bad email]] #51, [[website]], knowing they would enjoy it since they are both web-design hobbyists. This was the first time they had experienced Homestar Runner, and both of them were immediately hooked.

Nearly a year later in September 2003, Joey stumbled across [[Wikipedia:Main Page|Wikipedia]], the free encyclopedia. He immediately fell in love with the concept and decided to start a wiki of his own. After researching the various wiki platforms available at the time, he settled on one called WikiTikkiTavi because it used a MySQL database and produced valid XHTML markup. He hadn't given much thought to scalability at the time, preferring something light and snappy over the larger and more stable platforms like Twiki, Moin Moin, or MediaWiki.

After installing the software on October 7, 2003, Joey decided he needed a topic. It didn't take him long to decide it should be a Homestar Runner knowledge base. After Googling to make sure no one had already set up such a thing, he promptly called his wiki the Homestar Runner Wiki.

In the first couple weeks Joey transcribed a few emails, starting with [[mile]], but then life crept in and he was unable to do much more. It took nearly two months for anyone else to discover the Wiki, but slowly and surely people began shuffling in. [http://old.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=hawk hawk] and [http://old.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=Maz Maz] were the first users to create UserSpaces, and when [http://old.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=Stu Stu] heard there were people on the Wiki he decided to set up his own UserSpace. [http://old.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=JamesGecko JamesGecko] was the first user to contribute significant content.

<blockquote>"I remember when there was nothing here but a transcript for the Strong Bad Email Mile, done by none other than yours truly. I about fell off my chair when I opened up StrongBadEmail one day to find that every email had been listed with a link to its own page. I about fell off my chair again when I opened it up a month later to discover that every email had been transcribed!" — Joey Day ([http://old.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=WikiChat%2FOldTimersClub WikiChat/OldTimersClub]).</blockquote>

The wiki was growing fast, but things really took off with the addition of the forum. For maybe two weeks, there was a wiki page called "forum", or something like that. For a few days, it had two or three threads going. After it hit 7 threads on one page JamesGecko posted two or three rules about format and thread creation and broke it into several subpages, one page per thread. Within a week or so, I believe we'd hit 25 or 50 threads. About that point, Joey started working on the forum.

For a longish time, the IRC channel was very empty. Tom, Tom's bot, and one or two other admins. There were a few other folks who would drop in every now and then, but it was still fairly boring. At one point JamesGecko noticed how many people had AIM user names listed on their user page and made an entry on the "forum" page inviting people to come to the AIM chatroom "homestarrunner". Within minutes, 20 or so wikiers appeared. It lasted for an hour, untill the local wiki troll appeared and annoyed everyone. (JamesGecko is unsure when the IRC channel took off. Info?)

===The start of year two===

===The start of year three===

===Goals for the future===

==Important additions==
===STUFF===
====First attempt====
====Overhaul====
===Featured articles===
===Da Basement===
[[HRWiki:Da Basement|Da Basement]] is a place for [[Special:Listadmins|administrators and sysops]] to congregate and discuss important issues that involve the wiki. These discussions range from new page ideas to formating and template changes to the content of the wiki. Although Da Basement is intended for sysops, anyone is allowed to contribute.

The page originaly started out with the name "Sysop water-cooler". Several users posted ideas for new titles. The title Da Basement, posted by [[User:FireBird|FireBird]], became the new name. This originated from [[Arcade Game]].

===The Stick===
Since May 2005, [[HRWiki:The Stick|The Stick]] has been the community center of the wiki. It has links to all the commitees, the community projects, and more, and it's the best place to go if you want to help the wiki, vote on STUFF'd articles, etc.

===Recent changes patrol===
[[HRWiki:Recent changes patrol|Recent changes patrol]] is a HRWiki committee that searches Recent Changes for red exlamation points (!). This crew patrols the wiki every time an edit has been made. This patrol is the Wiki's first line of defense. If anyone were to make an edit that is false, mispelled, or malicous, a user from the Recent Changes Patrol will revert that edit. Although any logged-in user is allowed to patrol, they are encouraged to join the committee if they do.

===Welcoming committee===
The [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]] is a group of users who welcome new users to the Wiki. These messages are added to the new user's talk page. These messages are meant not only to help the new user out as they get started, but to also make them feel more at home. Generally, welcome messages tend to include links to several helpful articles and pages, including the "[[Help:Contents|Help]]" section and the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Index MediaWiki user's guide]. Anyone is allowed to join the committee.

The Welcoming committee was created on October 7, 2004 by [[User:FireBird|FireBird]] after a (brief) discussion with [[User:Tom|Tom]].

==Important upgrades==
===Wiki Tiki Tavi===
===MediaWiki 1.3===
Around June 2004, it was becoming apparent that 'Tavi would no longer be able to handle the amount of traffic the Wiki was experiencing, and the admin team begain researching alternatives. On July 16, 2004, MediaWiki 1.3 [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=1 was installed] on the server at beta.hrwiki.org. It was secretly developed under the name "Experimental Wiki" for nearly two months and released in late August, 2004.

*[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=2&oldid=1 First edit]
*[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=5&oldid=4 First productive edit]

===MediaWiki 1.4===
The Wiki was [[HRWiki:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4|upgraded to MediaWiki 1.4]] on April 3, 2005.

The Fanstuff Wiki was upgraded first on March 22, 2005. Some users perceived that it did not go over smoothly, though only a few problems actually arose. The site layout was altered and image uploading was down for about twelve days. Additionally, the history on some pages from mid-January to mid-March was lost. When the layout and uploading were fixed, the Knowledge-Base Wiki was upgraded without a hitch.

===MediaWiki 1.5===
On 9 October 2005, the wiki [[HRWiki:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.5|upgraded to MediaWiki 1.5]]. This added many new options to the wiki, not the least of which was the Move Log, which lists all the pages that have been moved. This addition was particularly useful for combatting the page-move vandal [[HRWiki:A History#Willy on Wheels|Willy on Wheels]].

However, the 1.5 upgrade also had a few bugs in it. One disabled all usernames starting with a lowercase initial. Such users then had to [[HRWiki:Changing username|change their name]] formally to continue editing the wiki. Another bug is one that automatically adds a user's talk page to their watchlist, thus causing a permanent stay of the "New Messages" alert. Neither of these issues has been resolved as of yet.

==Administration and maintenance==
===Early administration===
The 'Tavi software didn't have much in the way of administrative features. There was password-protected admin area that allowed a user to lock and unlock pages and block and unblock IPs. At first [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] was the only one with access to that page, but [[User:Stu|Stu]] was given access sometime in late 2003. Before the Wiki was upgraded to MediaWiki, [[User:Tom|Tom]], [[User:James|JamesGecko]] and [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] were also given administrator access.

When the Wiki was upgraded to MediaWiki 1.3 on July 16, 2004, the original group of bureaucrats/sysops consisted of [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]], [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]], [[User:Stu|Stu]], [[User:Tom|Tom]]. The Wiki continued to grow, and on (or just before) December 21, 2004, [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]], who had contributed greatly to the migration, was given bureaucrat/sysop privileges.

On February 5, 2005, the decision was made to begin utilizing the tiered permissions system of the MediaWiki software. On that date, [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] and [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] were given sysop priveleges, but they weren't given bureaucrat privileges or made part of the Admin Team.

===April 2005 sysop nominations===
In April 2005, the Wiki held its first [[HRWiki:April 2005 Sysop Nominations|sysop nominations]]. The nomination process was simple: once a nomination was made, several users posted their thoughts on who would be the best choice, though all the final decisions were made by the Admin Team. On April 25, 2005, the following users were accepted and given sysop privileges: [[User:FireBird|FireBird]], [[User:Furrykef|Furrykef]], [[User:Jay|Jay]], [[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]], and [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]]. Additionally, [[User:The Paper|The Paper]] became a sysop on April 27 and [[User:Homestar Coder|Homestar Coder]] on April 29.

===Later additions===
On September 9, 2005, during the second server move of the current wiki, two other sysops were added: [[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] and [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]. On November 16 of the same year, two bots, [[User:GrapeNuts|GrapeNuts]] and [[User:Valerie|Valerie]] (owned by [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] and [[User:Tom|Tom]] respectively), were made sysops for purposes of convenience, and [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] was made a bureaucrat and a part of the Admin Team on November 21.

==Infamous vandals==
===Willy on Wheels===
[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress/Willy on Wheels|Willy on Wheels]], or WoW for short, is a single or several persistent vandals. He began attacking the [[Wikipedia:Main Page|English Wikipedia]], and then moved on to most of the rest of the languages, as well as other wikis. The vast majority of his efforts center on Wikipedia and, to a lesser extent, the [http://www.wikimedia.org/ Wikimedia sister projects]. The only non Wikimedia wikis that WoW has ever attacked and reported are Wiki Cities, Travel Wiki, the Uncyclopedia, Wiki Info, and the heaviest hit, the HRWiki. His tactics are not similar to those of most other trolls and vandals, in that he uses only high-speed page move vandalism as his weapon. He first attacked the wiki in the summer of 2005, and has popped up somewhat frequently ever since. His method involved registering a username, opening a random page in several tabbed browsers, setting them up to move, and then rapidly executing the move before the username is blocked. It's impossible to know whether this is the work of one person or several copycats, but our WoW seems to originate with an AOL account. His vandalism is serious, but it's mostly just annoying compared to the more recent threat, NSMC.

===NSMC===
NSMC is a vandalbot that has caused widespread damage to several wikis. Its method of operation exploits various access points available to anonymous users. As a result, these access points have been temporarily disabled. In its first attack, it anonymously and randomly vandalized by replacing their contents with "N— stole my bike" and later "N— stole my cow". To avoid being blocked, the bot uses a vast amount of Internet proxies so that it can appear to originate from hundreds of IP addresses. The number of pages affected was in such a small amount of time that it created a [[Wikipedia:Denial_of_service_attack|denial of service]]. Later, when anonymous editing had been disabled, the bot created hundreds of random usernames with "NSMC" plus a number, each with one edit, so new-user registration was taken offline. After the knowlegde base was hit, then it moved to the Fanstuff. The usernames eventually became just random numbers approximately 20 characters in length, and the content of the vandalism changed from something static that we could search for to various bits of actual content. In the latest attack, the "email new password" feature of the user login page was abused, sending thousands of emails to various users. The identity of the vandal is not currently known, nor is the motive.

==Spinoffs==
===Forum===
===Fanstuff===
The [[HRFWiki:Main Page|Fanstuff wiki]] was created on November 24, 2004. Originally, when the old wiki was still around, the fanstuff articles and the knowledge base articles were kept on the same wiki. As the wiki grew, however, it became obvious that the Fanstuff needed its own space.

The Fanstuff wiki is for storing fanstuff users have created. They can write Other Character Emails, provide links to fanstuff animations they've done, or even write adventure stories about certain characters.

The Fanstuff, unlike the knowledge base, will let people create new pages, as long as they're related to [[Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)|Homestar Runner]] somehow. Naturally, seeing as the sky's the limit, the fanstuff has many more articles then the knowledge base. However, the knowledge base has more users; about 3000 more than the fanstuff.

===IRC channel===

The HRWiki Internet Relay Chat channel was created on 18 May 2005 by [[User:Tom|Tom Preuss]], as nickname ''Tom39''. Although its name, [irc://irc.freenode.net/hrwiki #hrwiki], and parent wiki both suggest that the topic would be kept strictly to Homestar related material, the atmosphere is calm and friendly. Language is kept at a ''PG'' level and personal attacks are not tolerated to keep the chat channel this way. Currently, this channel is kept in check by five of the six members of the [[Template:adminteam|Admin Team]], [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]], [[User:Tom|Tom]], [[User:Stu|Stu]], [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]], and [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]. On 7 September 2005, the Fanstuff wiki IRC channel, [irc://irc.freenode.net/hrwiki-fanstuff #hrwiki-fanstuff], was founded. This is a sightly looser and less constructed atmosphere for those who choose it, just as its parent wiki.

The IRC channel is a faster, more group-oriented, yet still annonymous way to communicate with fellow wiki users, as opposed to using [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=1 talk pages].
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User talk:JoeyDay

James — Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:27:19 GMT

James: thanks!

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== Advise for a new wiki! ==

Hey there! Me and a couple of my friends started a wiki for our club. I'm the new admin there and would like to ask you if you have any advise to give about starting to make a wiki. What to post on the main page, who should I appoint to dmin with me? Are there any "insiders tips" for running a wiki more smothly? (i.e.: reducing file size ect.) We run on MediaWiki, on Hebrew language, but all the coding is the same. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 09:21, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:E.L., sure, I'd love to help you with a new wiki. Can you contact me over instant messenger sometime? My contact information is available from my [http://forum.hrwiki.org/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2 forum profile]. Thanks. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:53, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::Add'D! (dead..) {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:04, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== GrapeNuts project ==

I have a new GrapeNuts project. The punctuation should be bold in the following text:
<pre>'''Debut''': → '''Debut:'''</pre>
Another question: Should we post new projects here, or on [[User_talk:GrapeNuts]], or where? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:50, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:Actually, I can't think of ''any'' context in which the colon should be outside the triple single quotes (or are you just picking an example?) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:03, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::There was a gnome who came through and replaced "[[Toons|whatever toon]] (debut)" with "'''Debut''': [[Toons|whatever toon]]". Unfortunately, as shown there, he put the colon ''outside'' the bold. I fixed the first one I saw, but then I found another... and another. I did a search, and realized that there are a whole bunch. As for whether we should ''never'' have the colon unbolded, I think it looks okay on [[Glossary]], especially because some of the entries have punctuation as part of the word (see [[Glossary#F|FLOOR TOMMED!]]), but in general you're right; they should be bold. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:03, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Sorry this has taken me so long to respond to. I'm usually not online much during the weekend. I'll sic GrapeNuts on this right away. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:53, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::Hm, GrapeNuts seems unable to process that request. The problem is I have no good way of telling him the subset of pages he should work on. If I try to tell him to work on the whole wiki he gives me the following error: "AttributeError: MediaWikiXmlHandler instance has no attribute 'id'." Whatever that means. Apparently in version 1.5 I'll be able to pull an XML file of the database that should improve GrapeNuts' ability to handle tasks like this, but for now we may have to do this by hand. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 19:05, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)

When GrapeNuts is up and running again, so to speak, could you have it fix my sig? {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}}

== Signature ==

Hi JoeyDay. Is it alright if I could put your signature on my userpage to link to yours? {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 23:58, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, that's fine with me, Homestramy20, but could you remove the part about me being God? I feel the same way about you calling me "God" as you do about Bobo the King using the "D" word. Thanks. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:53, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::Okay, complete apology. I didn't know you felt that way. Anyways, thanks. {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 22:04, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Shipping Time ==

Hey, Joey. I just ordered some stuff from the Homestar site. I just wanted to know how fast your stuff took to come. I am ''very'' exited about getting Strongbad_email.exe, but I don't want it to take 6-8 weeks. I mean, is Canada ''really'' that far away? But i'm rambling. Thanks, {{User:Total Spaceship Guy3/sig}}

:I don't remember, but I know it wasn't 6–8 weeks. I'd guess about a week. Congratulations on your purchase. I've been drooling over the DVDs for a while now. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 15:53, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::Alright, thanks. Are you from Canada? {{User:Total Spaceship Guy3/sig}}

:::Nope, I'm from Salt Lake City, Utah. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:53, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::::Oh, I ''am'' from Canada. So I guess it'll take longer than yours did. Oh well. {{User:Total Spaceship Guy3/sig}}

:::::I'm from Canada, (lower west coast to be exact), and I remember my purchase coming within one week. They were really quite speedy. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 08:35, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

== I found a troll! ==
66.82.9.39 is the IP address. It was a troll in the fanstuff wiki. Battle of Homestar High. [[User:Seek Bar|DonZabu]]

== Bannination ==
I really need to be unbanned from #hrwiki. I don't even know what I did to get banned...did I annoy Tom? --[[User:Homsar999|Homsar]]

== GrapeNuts source code ==

Hi Joey, would you be interested in releasing the GrapeNuts source code? I've been coding in Java far too much lately, I might be interested in a Python-type-diversion. :) {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 19:20, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:Homestar Coder: As is already noted on GrapeNuts' user page, GrapeNuts is an instance of the [[MetaWikiPedia:Using_the_python_wikipediabot|Python Wikipediabot Framework]]. I haven't made any modifications, and there are instructions on that page for downloading and using your own instance of the framework. Have fun! — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 19:23, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)

::Okay, I thought maybe you had attempted modifications. It sounds like the code itself might need some tweaking to work on HRWiki, so I could look into it... {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 20:29, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:::Me too! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:14, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC) (I have an instance of HRWiki running in my computer, and I am interested in it. If I can help solve the problems you guys are encountering, that would be awesome! Is there a page that specifically delineates the problems you are having?)

::::The biggest problem we're having is the Pywikipedia bot can't read any of our pages that start with lower case letters. We're kindof a special wiki in that we have the [[MetaWikiPedia:LocalSettings.php#Force_Capital_Links|$wgCapitalLinks]] variable set to 'false' in our [[MetaWikiPedia:LocalSettings.php|LocalSettings.php]] file. Other than that, it also seems to be having trouble getting lists of pages by category or by namespace. MediaWiki 1.5 has xml dumps, which should give Pywikipediabot much more useful information about our wiki and help it find pages better. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 22:29, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== Unbanned please ==

Can I please be unbanned from the Chat Channle? {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

:What's your IRC username, please? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 22:25, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

H. {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

:Just the letter "H"? What did you do to get banned from the channel? Are you sure you're banned, or are you just getting errors when you try to connect? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 23:08, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

It says "Blocked by Zone Labs Security". I don't know what I did. I just left, and I was blocked! {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

:We didn't block you; Zone Labs is simply your firewall, my friend. You should be able to find a little Z down in the bottom right corner of your screen, right-click it, and choose "Disable". You probably shouldn't leave it disabled all the time. Maybe there's a setting in there where you can add us to some kind of allow list. Have your mom or dad look at it for you; they might be able to figure it out. Or contact me over instant messenger (my contact info is on my [http://forum.hrwiki.org/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=2 forum profile]). I work in tech support and might be able to help you fix it. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 23:18, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Aw, man. I didn't realize my fire wall was ZL. I see it. Thank, for the info. {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

:No problem. Let me know if you still can't get in after disabling Zone Alarm. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 00:01, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)
==Wiki Day!==

Happy Happy wiki day!! Wow, your wiki is two years old. Awsome! {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 01:32, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== IRC Topic ==

Joey, how do you make ChanServ change the topic of a chat without having to OP to do it? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 20:27, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

:You'd want to use the <tt>/msg ChanServ SET <channel> TOPICLOCK OFF</tt> command, which would then allow non-ops to change to topic. For more help with ChanServ, try <tt>/msg ChanServ HELP</tt>.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:53, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

::Actually, I talked with Lapper in the chat room today. His problem had more to do with his channel being <code>+t</code>. He wanted to keep TOPICLOCK on, but didn't want to op himself every time he needed to change the topic. <code>+t</code> keeps non-ops from changing the topic, TOPICLOCK keeps those without a certain access level from changing the topic, regardless of whether they are opped or not. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 22:07, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

== Wikipedia article about HRWiki ==

Me and a few other users are setting up a [[Wikipedia:User:Kookykman/HRWiki article in progress|Wikipedia article]] about the HRWiki. ([[Wikipedia:User talk:Kookykman/HRWiki article in progress|Here's]] the talk page for it.) Just thought I'd let you know. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

== Uploading unlocking ==

Okay Joey,(I asked Tom too) here's my problem. I am a bureaucrat at the [http://ebwiki.spoonybard.com/index.php?title=Main_Page Eskimo Bob Wiki] and we just moved to new software. The uploading is locked. How do I unlock it?--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 12:50, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

== WikiTikiTavi ==

I noticed a spammer that I've seen on other Wikis. Dynamic IP, uses user names, always spams in exactly the same method. Could GrapeNuts be used to remove the spam, since it's always identical? Wouldn't get around good old fashioned blocking, but it'd reduce the damage. Just a thought, anyway. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:52, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

:Unfortunately, I don't think GrapeNuts could handle this task faster than humans. First, GrapeNuts isn't running all the time constantly searching the Wiki for out of place stuff. When I want GrapeNuts to do a find and replace, I call him up in a command window and give him a command. When he's done with the command, he goes back to sleep. There's no way to set him up so he constantly patrols the Wiki. Now, I could create a task for him that I simply run once a day, but here's the catch: to find tihs kind of spam, he'd have to run a search of the entire Wiki, something he's very slow at doing. By the time GrapeNuts comes around to the page the spam was on, a much smarter human being will have already found it via recent changes and reverted it. It would be smarter if there were a way to have GrapeNuts look back through the last hundred edits and find the spam that way, but again that's something I would have to run myself, and it's faster for me to just look at recent changes with my own eyeballs. :) It was a good idea, but I just don't see it being feasible. Sorry, Jay. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:55, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

:: Okay, I didn't knw the specifics on GrapeNuts. I guess I assumed some things that weren't true of it. Oh, well. It was worth a shot. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:58, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

== NGS Troll ==

Hi Joey. I wanted to [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=More_Fan_Costumes&diff=196465&oldid=196414 let you know] that the NGS troll actually went through and modified pages two, three sometimes four times. So reverts might have to be done several levels deep! Just wanted to let you know. BTW it goes without saying you guys are doing a great job in thwarting this nuisance! I will try to do what I can from here. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 23:37, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

=='''Special report'''==
I vile.exe have a new page ''Vile's Fortress'' visit it [[User:Vile.exe|Vile.exe]] 21:04, 15 November 2005 (UTC) Does doesn't count as spam does it

IT DOT COM BLOCK ME AND HE SAID HE GOT PERMISSION FROM YOU HOW LONG WILL I BLOCKED I CAN"T POST A LINK I AM USING A DIFFERENT COPUTER VILE>EXE

== [[:Template:tick|Tick]] and [[:Template:done|done]] ==

We have two templates that are exactly the same. One is used by some users, the other was used only by GrapeNuts until I switched it. I ask you this because you created ''done'' and you should know about the situation. So what do you say? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:26, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

:I knew about the situation back when I created ''done''. I knew there was already a ''tick'' template and I deliberately chose not to use it. I've said more on [[Template talk:done]]. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:15, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

== Homsar999 says he was blocked... ==

...from the IRC for "impersonating a copyrighted character". He says that he was never pretending to be Homsar or The Brothers Chaps. Why was he blocked? Here's a transcript of some things I asked him relating to this:
<blockquote>
<Homsar> talking what up? 
<Homsar> my UNBANNING? 
<Kookykman> Yes. 
<Homsar> Come to #fanstuff 
<Kookykman> Sorry, I can't. 
<Homsar> did you check out the Wiki User Wiki? 
<Kookykman> I'm trying to get some info out of an admin why you were banned. 
<Kookykman> And no. 
<Homsar> Hello? 
<Kookykman> I;m here. 
<Kookykman> I'm going to ask JoeyDay. 
<Kookykman> Hang on... 
<Kookykman> Did JoeyDay really say you were blocked for impersonation? 
<Kookykman> You there? 
<Kookykman> Homsar? 
</blockquote>
He then didn't say anything the rest of the conversation. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

:We've gone back and forth with this guy a lot. He's been banned for very good reasons. To my knowledge he never impersonated TBC, though Tom may know more about that. The real reason he's banned is for impersonating me and Tom and other admins and for registering other users' nicks with NickServ. He had numerous warnings before being banned and has even been unbanned once, but he went right back to the same old behavior and was blocked again. Kookykman, thanks for trying to help out. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 00:31, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

::Well, he obviously wasn't being truthful with me. Thanks for clearing it up. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

:::That's odd, because he's a very respectable user at the Fanstuff Wiki... - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 00:22, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

::::If Homsar999 is such a respectable Fanstuff Wiki member, why would he ban me (the proprietor of said Fanstuff Wiki) from the (unofficial) [irc://irc.freenode.net/fanstuff #fanstuff] IRC channel? I've done nothing to deserve being banned. In fact, I'm not even sure I've ever set foot in that channel. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 04:28, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::Well, he was a respectable user, but ever since he got the Wiki User Wiki set up, I think he's let it all go to his head. He's getting on my nerves, and I think we may have to sever ties from the WUW and HRFWiki if he doesn't change. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 15:29, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

::I made some rather unkind remarks about Homsar999 above that I would like to formally retract. I've edited one of my posts (and re-threaded a related comment) accordingly. Homsar999, you're still banned from a few places and I stick by the decisions that have been made regarding your access to various things, but I shouldn't have made insulting personal remarks like that. I'm sorry, and I hope you'll accept my apology. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 00:31, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

== Side question ==

Just as a side question, is the "dog to vomit" comment a biblical quote? Could just be a conincidence, or used as a general saying around Salt Lake, but I've only ever heard that saying in the bible. ;) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 00:59, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

:Yep, [http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=24&chapter=26&verse=11&version=31&context=verse Proverbs 26:11]. I was wondering if anyone would get that. :) — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 03:39, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

::Oh I couldn't miss it. Glad to see there's another bible buff floating around the [http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?book_id=25&chapter=12&verse=12&version=9&context=verse Wiki] :) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:23, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

:::Well, that's cool, because I, too, am a Bible buff. Grace and peace be with ye. [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 06:28, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

== Hey there Joeyday ==

Hey there Joeyday have you been. Let me ask you something, what happens if Homestar runner wiki doesn;t get the 2005 Fall Pledge Drive money? [[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 05:24, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

:I've commented a bit regarding our situation on the [[HRWiki_talk:2005_Fall_Pledge_Drive#Looking_ahead|pledge drive talk page]]. I think we'll be okay for right now. If at some point in the future we can't raise all the money we need, we would probably turn to someone like [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] for help. I don't think we'll need to do that anytime soon, though. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 23:07, 16 November 2005 (UTC)

::what is a "wikia"? [[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 09:47, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

:::[http://www.wikia.com Click the link he provided and find out.] - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 11:47, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

== Possible Server Problems? ==

Why has the wiki been so slow the last few days? Has it been the NSMC trolls doing? Or has it been some type of server problem? {{User:H*R 700/sig}} 13:36, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

:We've been able to block the NSMC troll from actually making edits, but we suspect his vandal scripts are still hitting the wiki pretty hard with traffic. Keep your pants on. We're working on a solution. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 15:59, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

::Pants?.....hmmmm. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:34, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
:::How ''do'' you stop someone from doing something like that? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 16:40, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Yeah. Seriously. Eh, at least it's working better now. {{User:H*R 700/sig}}
:::::I like, don't think you ''can'' stop a troll like this. Of course, JoeyDay is the expert. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 23:38, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

== Congrats ==

Congratulations on that check and letter fom Matt Chapman. Just one question; how much money did they donate again? They are awful generous :) {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 18:03, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

:The check said $250, I think. Congrats, Joey. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:08, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

::I can't take the credit for this. The honor goes to all of you who have made the Wiki what it is. The worst part about all this is I can't share this with any of you guys. I wish you could all hold this letter in your hands and feel how nervous and shaky I felt when I opened it. Our community deserves this collectively more than I do individually. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:35, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

:::Joey, I must say this: any group or organization is generally a reflection of its leadership. If our people know how to operate this wiki smoothly and do so professionally, it is because they have had a fine example to follow. Just a thought. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:52, 18 November 2005 (UTC)
::Hey, can you post all the sketches he sent you? I'm eager to see them... - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 22:02, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

:::He sent sketches? Awesome. That should be a great sight. {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

::::The sketches will all be posted this evening, as soon as I can get them scanned in using my parents' color flatbed scanner. Patience. :) — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 23:22, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::Okay. I'm waiting. So, your pretty lucky your actually getting involved with TBC. I mean, think about it if TBC never knew about this Wiki. It would make it alot less official. {{User:H*R 700/sig}} 23:26, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::In the meantime, you can feel free to indulge in this one that Joey posted. [http://static.flickr.com/27/64531304_ed342d2ba6.jpg] — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:45, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::I feel this could use all use a Wiki page somewhere. The letter being the focus, along with meantioning the compound eyes thing, and I think there's another instance on the new DVD or something. In any case, it does include 5 never before or anywhere else seen sketch pages, which deserves Wikifying in itself. (Just out of curiosity, are you planning to frame the sketches all nice and happy like? I sure would) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 08:42, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::: Well, I tried adding the letter to Matt Chapman's page, but it got reverted because JoeyDay might not want to make a big deal out of it. I would definitely like a page of times the HRWiki was referenced by TBC and their friends, and this letter deserves to be on a page. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 12:30, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::A page just for the wiki would be selfish. How about a page referencing all fan acknowledgements from TBC? BHZ, signing on a fan forum... All the stuff. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 14:57, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::Yeah, that sounds good. And I don't know what I would do if I got a letter from either of the Chapos. But yes, E.L's got it right. All fan acknowledgements, not just the HRWiki.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 15:07, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::Did TBC ever really reference other fansites besides this one? And by fansites, I mean actual H*R fansites, not stuff like Tacoman. But whatever. Either page works for me. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 16:46, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::::Uh, would it be a good thing if they did? Wait, did they say anything about the HRFWiki? {{User:H*R 700/sig}} 17:43, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::::No, I don't believe that they have mentioned the Fanstuff wiki. Probably because this wiki is more is more of an encyclopedia than a fan site, and their only mention was that they saw their own error by saying ''segmented eyes'' in [[animal]]. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 20:20, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::In answer to Joshua, yes, they have; see [[Matt Chapman#Misc.]]. I think such a page would be nice; I agree that it shouldn't be "made a big deal," but I don't see why it has to be a secret. And it would be egalitarian to extend it to other fansites. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 22:43, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

===How Should It Be Called?===
Well, I like the idea of this page. What would it be called? "H*R Fansite Acknowledgements by TBC"? - {{User:Joshua/sig}}
:Man! I always wanted to say this: ''Too long clanky too long!'' (I think). --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:02, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
::[[Stinkoman 20X6 Walkthrough Level 1|Actually]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters|we]] [[Interviews and Public Appearances|have]] [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon|lots]] [[How Do You Type With Boxing Gloves On?|of]] [[The House That Gave Sucky Treats Costumes|lengthly]] [[Homestar Runner and Strong Bad Screensaver|names]], [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 10.2|when]] [[The Cheat's Head Exploding|appropiate]]. We just need a title the explains the page. I think my suggestion is good enough, but I'd like to hear more. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:37, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Well, actually, I was thinking that ''Homestar Runner Fansite Acknowledgements by The Brothers Chaps'' would be a bit of a record setting page title, compared to ''Homestar Runner and Strong Bad Screensaver'' which is the longest link from the impressively detailed list! But alas! I can't come up with anything better (other than ''The Brothers Chaps Fansite Acknowledgements''), and I like record-setting! ;) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 02:56, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
::Size comparison:
*''Homestar Runner and Strong Bad Screensaver''
*''H*R Fansite Acknowledgements by TBC'' (my suggestion)
*''H*R Fansite Acknowledgements by The Brothers Chaps'' (another suggestion by me)
*''The Brothers Chaps Fansite Acknowledgements''
*''Homestar Runner Fansite Acknowledgements by The Brothers Chaps'' (''is'' too long O_o)
:: - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 03:11, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

Do I see the start of a new vote? I sure do! '''The Brothers Chaps Fansite Acknowledgements''' is short enough not to be too long, but have all the information a title needs. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 04:43, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

:'''Second'd!''' I'm liking it, Coolio. I also like your remark about it being "short enough not to be too long"; that sums it up pretty well. But, if we accept it, we need to correct the punctuation to '''The Brothers Chaps' Fansite Acknowledgements'''. [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 04:48, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

:I'm getting the feeling that when you say ''Fansite Acknowledgements'' you mean every fansite '''ever'''. We can't handle that. Now, if I misenterpreted, and you meant ''HRWiki Acknowledgements'', then I recommend '''The Brothers Chaps HRWiki Acknowledgements'''. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 05:12, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

::Yes. Every fansite. Ours will have the biggest section, but we count every fansite. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 05:01, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

:Heimstern is right '''The Brothers Chaps' Fansite Acknowledgements''' would be the correct title, the other can still redirect. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:20, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
::I can't resist pointing out the irony that Stux, in pointing out the correctness of my punctuation, left out a period or semicolon, producing a run-on sentence. :-) Nothing personal, just me being a loyal stickler (a la [[Wikipedia:Lynne Truss|Lynne Truss]]). [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 05:27, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

:::Great, this page is gonna look good. Don't forget to add: DVD Commentary meantions on SB4, and EE1, as well as The Chapos or Jonathan reccomending Bobby blackwolf send his interview over to us for wikifying. Then there's the obvious letter, burning horizons on Videlectrix, and I think that's pretty much it for now. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 10:07, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

::Actually, I left out '''two''' periods or semicolons, as I have actually run together 3 sentences! (I just realized that.) ;) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:49, 20 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Page made. [[The Brothers Chaps' Fansite Acknowledgements]]. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:17, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

== Fanstuff Wiki IRC Channel ==
Hi, Joey. I'd like you to know that you're not banned from my #fanstuff channel, and in fact you have level 20 access, which you have had for a while (did you know that?)

Anyway, I'd like you to reconsider #hrwiki-fanstuff or work something out with me. PM me on the forums. --[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]]

:Yes, I'm aware that you've unbanned me and given me level 20 access in [irc://irc.freenode.net/fanstuff #fanstuff]. I appreciate that, but it doesn't change things.

:Freenode [http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#primarychannels describes in it's official policy] how projects should name their channels. They specifically outline that once we've registered a name, we have control over any channel that starts with that name and a hyphen, as I've done in the case of [irc://irc.freenode.net/hrwiki-fanstuff #hrwiki-fanstuff]. This is the recommended way of doing things, and you see it over and over again on Freenode in places like [irc://irc.freenode.net/drupal #drupal] and [irc://irc.freenode.net/drupal-support #drupal-support] or [irc://irc.freenode.net/wordpress #wordpress], [irc://irc.freenode.net/wordpress-docs #wordpress-docs], [irc://irc.freenode.net/wordpress-bugs #wordpress-bugs] and [irc://irc.freenode.net/wordpress-meetup #wordpress-meetup] or [irc://irc.freenode.net/wikipedia #wikipedia] and [irc://irc.freenode.net/wikipedia-tech #wikipedia-tech]. I'm confident that the way I've named the official fanstuff channel is the most appropriate way to do things.

:Here's the bottom line: I don't have anything against your fanstuff channel, but the only way I would ever consider attaching it officially to the Wiki is if I and the other admins had full control over it. In other words, you would need to give up control over the channel entirely. I don't have anything against you personally, Homsar999; please understand that clearly. I just want to make sure we have full control over anything we deem to be official. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 22:42, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

== What Just Happened? ==

Why did tis entire wiki get replaced with the contents of the HRFWiki? {{User:H*R 700/sig}} 20:11, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
:I noticed that too. It scared me. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 20:13, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
::According to Elcool in the IRC channel, Tom made a mistake that happened to coincide with the latest NSMC attack in the Fanstuff wiki, so we had a combination of a database glitch and a trollbot attack blowing the whole wiki to heck for a while. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 20:32, 19 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Actually, I said that. But I'll let it slide this time. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 06:28, 20 November 2005 (UTC)

==Ledger Question==

Is that $19.37 in American or Canadian? Because the original $20.73, after minus $0.30 and 2.9% would translates into around $19.37 Canadian, wouldn't it? In which case, wouldn't the ledger be skewed if some totals were in Canadian, and others in American dollars? My calculations could be wrong, but I just thought I'd ask in case it got mixed up, to nip any miscalculations in the bud. I don't think the Canadian dollar's THAT strong, around 80 cents on the dollar as best I can remember. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:18, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

:Heh... You're right. I pulled the wrong figure from my PayPal details. I'm fixing it now. Thanks for the heads-up, Thunderbird. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 15:48, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

==Chat Channel Woes==

"Connecting...
Unable to connect : java.security.AccessControlException : access denied (java.net.SocketPermission irc.freenode.net resolve)"

I tried signing in as ThunderbirdL17 and ThunderbirdL19, neither worked. That's the first time it's happened, is it just some freak, one time glitch, or has my ability to log in to the chat channel been comprimised somehow? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 00:57, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

:Are you using [http://chat.hrwiki.org chat.hrwiki.org]? I upgraded it this morning to a new version of PJIRC. It was working for everyone who tested it earlier. I hope it's not permanently broken for some people. Try clearing your temp internet files and signing in again. I'm not sure what could've gone wrong. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 02:04, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

:Okay, I researched this a little further, and, yes, it could be due to you having the old version of the applet cached, so follow my previous advice. Some other possibilities:

:#You might be behind a firewall; make sure you're not or that it isn't interfering
:#You might've clicked "no" to the security warning that popped up; click "yes" instead :)
:#I might have to change some security settings on the server; I'm looking into this and will keep you posted

:Let me know if it works any better. Thanks. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 04:29, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

::Yea, I clicked "No" to the security popup, that was it. I was also in a couple of other web-windows, and I guess I thought it came from there. I'm always leery to click "Yes" to an unexpected popup window. Then when I tried again, it didn't come back. I let it chill for a while though, and now it gave me another chance. All in all, it works fine now. Thanks! {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:48, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

== More Chat Channel Woes ==
I've found one tiny drawback to using ChatZilla in the sidebar: If you use "/quit", it closes ''all'' your open tabs, in sidebar or not. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

:An unfortunate side-effect, to be sure. Doesn't simply closing the sidebar work? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 02:17, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

::Yes, but you can't write a cross-channel quit message. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

== CC by-nc-sa ==

''I always hate leaving two headers in a row, but...'' 
I was wondering if the chat channel is under the same CCL as the main wiki. On a related note, we're still using the old version of the liscense. Creative Commons seems to be wanting to phase that one out. [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.5/ (link to the new one)] - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
==Copyright==
<s>Sorry to bother you but would you mind looking at [[HRWiki_talk:FAQ#Copyright]] and giving some input. [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] 04:04, 29 November 2005 (UTC)</s> scratch that, it has been settled ([[User:Tom]] came by and answered the question). [[User:BrokenSegue|BrokenSegue]] 04:10, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

== Extension for the Fanstuff ==
Just thought we should get your input on [http://s13.invisionfree.com/Fanstuff/index.php?showtopic=352 this]. -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 08:00, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

:Thanks, but we are not interested in adding that extension.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:58, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

What if enough other people are interested in it? -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 11:37, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

:They can feel free to install it for MediaWiki installations on servers that they administrate.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:19, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
Hey, Super Sam, why don't you ask Homsar about it and his WUW? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 13:18, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

==Old Sig==

I seem to recall you sic-ing Grapenuts on your old sig some time ago, with the mission to "fix really old versions of JoeyDay's sig" or something. So I'm curious, did you want all old versions of your sig updated to template format? I just happened to stumble across [[HRWiki talk:Introduction 2|this]] today, and I wasn't sure whether to update it, or leave it for posterity. Or maybe a little prosperity... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:52, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, I did want those replaced. Thanks for the heads-up, TBird. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:31, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

== email ==

Hey Joey,
I sent you an email from your .org website last week and I never heard back from you. Did you receive it? {{User:Invisible Robot Fish/sig}} 17:52, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

:Yes, I did get your email. Sorry I never responded. I remember wanting to reply to your email, but I didn't do it right then and there and I'm bad at coming back to things later. I am interested in the material you mentioned. I'll reply to your email so you have my address and can make the attachment. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:43, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

== CSS code ==
Hey, Joey! Thanks for the css correction. Sorry I didn't reply earlier, but I haven't logged on in forever. ^_^ --[[User:James|JamesGecko]] 19:27, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

User:James

James — Thu, 01 Dec 2005 19:09:01 GMT

James: updated'ED

== Greetings ==
Greetings, I'm James, known better to most of you as JamesGecko. I was one of the first few to stumble on the wiki back in the old days...

'''{goes into a rambling old man daze}'''
I liked making major edits, I once started whole ''sections'' like [[places]], and added first drafts of characters pages and noone complained much. 
I developed a reputation of having really bad spelling... And leaving emoticons in my comments. :-) 
I transcribed "[[Army]]"... 
'''{chokes and snaps out of the daze}'''

So, yeah. I'm still around, I still read the wiki and all, but I've stopped contributing as much, partially because theres not too much major editing to do anymore, it seems mostly to be nitpicking about the captialization of Strong Bad's latest quoteable quote.

== Contact ==
Feel free to drop me a line in my Talk page.
Or, you can visit my blog at http://gecko.f2o.org

Obligatory browser plug: Firefox is cool, but so is Opera.

HRWiki talk:A History

James — Thu, 01 Dec 2005 18:44:03 GMT

James: I think it's a cool idea.

== About this page ==

This is a page I'd like to see, and I will be working on it from time to time. As always, anyone who is willing is more than welcome to contribute. For you Harry Potter fans out there, the title is a takeoff of ''Hogwarts, A History''.

I would like this page to chronicle important dates of our wiki. Currently, I don't think we have a page that fits that description, but if we do, please let me know. Here are but just a few of the things that might be appropriate for this page:
*When and how the wiki originally got started, and who was involved
*When and how the original team of administrators was formed
*When and how the move to MediaWiki was accomplished, as well as subsequent upgrades
*How and why STUFF was originally created, and later how and why it was overhauled
*When and how sysops were elected or chosen
*When Willy on Wheels first struck, and how we have coped
*When NSMC first struck, and how we are coping
*First contact with TBC, and important contacts thereafter
*Important additions like the Forum, Fanstuff, and IRC channel
*Where we are now and what our current goals are
*Many other important events, anniversaries, etc.
I don't know exactly what the format should be, but I think it should be more than just a list. I'm envisioning paragraphs in something of a narrative form. We can start with a brief outline and build from there. Obviously, this will need a lot of input from those who were around in the early days. Does anyone else think this is a good idea? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:40, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
:Yes, please. I would love to see this page. I've always been curious about the origins and stuff, and would very much like to help with whatever I know (however little that is). This sounds like a really neat idea. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::This is a grand idea. Probably one of your best, Dot com. I'm sure there's alot more to add to your list there, but all in all, it sounds pretty interesting. {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 05:47, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Sounds cool to me, too. I also greatly appreciate the Harry Potter reference. I don't know if I'll be able to help much, since I'm still relatively new here, but I will certainly contribute if I think of anything. [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 05:49, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
::::More praise. It's good to know your roots. And I really feel this discussion should include at least one token link to [[origins]]. There. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 06:11, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::I was actually looking for just some of this information on the old wiki a few hours ago. One question though: Do we really want to give the vandals the satisfaction of having the notoriety(sp?) and/or visibility that inclusion on this page might bring them? {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 06:22, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::No, but your history is your history. And those two vandals in particular have caused more headaches for us than all the rest combined. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:31, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::Maybe instead of putting "STUFF" under "policy decisions" we could have "Important Additions" and include the creation of Feature Articles, Da Basement, The Stick, Patrol Committee, Welcoming Committee, etc. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 06:39, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::::Ooh, that's much better. Thanks. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:39, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::Ok, so now that all the titles are there, when is there going to be content added? I can see how people are cautious to adding what ever, since this isn't a very solid page. I thought that Dot com would of started adding things, but no one seems to be contributing. I don't know wether it's lack of knowledge of the past, or if no one is sure what to add. In conclusion; How is this going to work? {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 21:43, 29 November 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::Patience, grasshopper. In fact, someone is working on a section even as I type this. Also, I need to get in touch with some users who were around in the beginning (esp. Joey and Tom) to help write those sections. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:04, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::::Ok, I understand. {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 22:08, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::::::::Great! I've always wondered about this! *is on a page in Goblet of Fire with ''Hogwarts, A History'' on it right now* - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
:::::::::::::Would perhaps simply "[[HRWiki:History]]" perhaps be a better title? I don't have much of a preference either way, they're both good. "HRWiki:History" just seems slightly more accurate. Either way, one of 'em 'll be a redirect. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:19, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Looks like [[HRWiki:History]] already ''is'' a redirect, actually. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::::::::::::::Yes, it is. And I chose this name specifically, TBird, to give it some character. Read the first line. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:27, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::Sorry Dorian, I musta mis-worded. I knew it was a redirect, I was suggesting that if anything, we would switch them. And if the general feeling is to keep the "A", that's fine. I read why you named it so, but I just thought I'd throw the possibility out there. If anything, I'd think a reference to H*R in the title would be more applicable, than to Harry Potter. But again, I don't want to tread on anybody's toes. Forget I said anything, I guess this name is fine. (And I could be a bit biased, since I've never read the books or seen the movies, for Harry Potter) ;) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:32, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::::You should. The books are quite captivating, and the most recent movie is ''excellent''. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:36, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::::::::::Mmmmm... I dunno, witchcraft has never really appealed to me much. I am looking forward to the next XMen movie this summer though. Now THAT'S a sweet franchise. (Hmm... perhaps we're starting to run slightly off topic...) :) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:41, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
::::::::::::::I wasn't going to weigh in 'cause I didn't think my input would be needed, but my feeling is to keep it. Not being Potterliterate I have no vested interest in the reference, but even if it ''weren't'' one I enjoy the sound of it (you know, like "Britain: A Child's History in Verse") as well as the punning use of the namespace as, for once, a meaningful part of the construction! —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 06:52, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::Actually, it's starting to grow on me. I suppose "A History" makes it a little more informal, like it's from the point of view of somebody, instead of a list of dates and facts. That way it can be written more from a historian's point of view, instead of turning into an article like [[H*R.com updates 2002|this]] or [[H*R.com updates 2003|that]]. Now THERE'S some dry reading. Whoever wrote those articles really needs to get a personality. :) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 07:01, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

== Focus on the story, not the descriptions ==

The first few sections of the page are shaping up nicely, but here are a few things to keep in mind: This page is about the ''story'' of the wiki; it's not just a list of its components. That is, we need to write about when Da Basement was created and why, not just give a description of it. When was the RC patrol formed? How has it evolved? Did you know that the IRC channel wasn't always popular, and that they attempted an AIM chatroom for a while? These are the insights I'm hoping this page will provide. The individual links to the various component pages can fill in the rest. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:51, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
:Yeah, that's what I was thinking. "This is a history, not a [[HRWiki:Glossary|glossary]]!" I just didn't know how to tell people such. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::I have an idea that might make it more historical—but instead of talking about it I'ma simply go do it. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 06:21, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Wait, it does need some talking. I was thinking with Da Basement, The Stick, Recent Changes Patrol, etc., that rather than simply saying "They exist", it would be nice to note ''when'' they were started. But can the first edit in the page history be taken as indicating this, or have earlier versions gotten archived somehow or something? The first one on The Stick is Joey with the comment "Creating The Stick." Did these entities ever exist, with the same function, under other names? —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 06:28, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
::::I think the earliest version in the history really is the creation of the various pages. Even if they were created as something else (as Da Basement was) and later moved, the history should remain intact. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:30, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
:Is the AIM channel even worth mentioning? As I remember, it was there for an hour, got filled with trolls, and abandoned. --[[User:James|JamesGecko]] 05:29, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
::Hey, it's JamesGecko! One of the early ''early'' wiki users! And your first contribution in four months! ... I don't know about the AIM channel much, only that it existed. I'm still trying to piece together lots of old forum posts. Your help would be invaluable for the section on the beginnings. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:32, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
:::<nowiki>*</nowiki>laughing* Yeah, it's me. Joey sent me a link. Funny, 4 months and I still feel the urge to use emoticons in talk pages... --[[User:James|JamesGecko]] 05:38, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

== Pics ==

what kinds of pics belong here???--{{User:Benol/sig}} 13:03, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

:I don't feel this is a good place to have pictures, though that's just my opinion. That is, if you're talking about pictures of the old wiki, Fanstuff, Forum, etc. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 13:05, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

::Actually, that's a pretty cool idea. We could have pics of each stage of the wiki as it progressed. That is, if we have the old edits on the archived wiki. Maybe a few mockups or something? --[[User:James|JamesGecko]] 18:44, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

== Capital crimes ==

Hi, this is mainly for dot com since he recently reverted an edit about this but the question is open to all: How do we determine if every word in a section title is capitalized or when the first word is? Examples on this page of first word onlys are
:*The beginnings and early days, The start of year two, The start of year three, Recent changes patrol, and Administration and maintenance ... to name a few
:while others such as
:*Welcoming Committee, Early Administration, April 2005 Sysop Nominations, The Stick, and Da Basement
:Have each first word capitalized. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 14:32, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
Oops. It was late when I made the outline. Each heading should be sentence case (only the first letter capitalized) unless it's a proper noun, such as Da Basement. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:14, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
:Crime Solved, but biscuit dough hands man slips through our fingers again. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 15:30, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

:: Also, as a matter of principle, when talking about specific wikis, such as the Homestar Runner Wiki or the Homestar Runner Fanstuff Wiki, the word "wiki" should be capitalized because it is part of the proper noun. The word "wiki" should not, however, be capitalized in most other contexts. Here are a few example sentences for clarification:

::* Joey decided to create a wiki in October 2003.
::* Since its conception, the Wiki has grown to over 1,100 articles.

::Hope this makes sense. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 00:54, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

== Various Researches ==

===Trolls===

{{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} was one of the very first trolls of the current Wiki layout. :) -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Not Thunderbird]] 01:00, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

Main page trolling was stopped, by protecting said page, shortly after January 14th, 2005. [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=37087&oldid=37085 This] was the last troll.

===First Server Move===

Also, {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} was the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Teen_Girl_Squad&diff=prev&oldid=49222 last] person to make a change to the Wiki before the server move of early March '05, and the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Toilets&diff=prev&oldid=53747 first] person to make a change after the server move too. (For the sake of dates, the first server move took place from slightly after 23:51, 3 March 2005; to slightly before 20:41, 6 March 2005) -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Not Thunderbird Either]] 01:02, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

==Multiple Links==

I noticed that all the names are linked, and several and linked multiple times. shouldn't each name only be a link once? {{User:Salty/sig}} 01:21, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
:I think you are right. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:29, 1 December 2005 (UTC)
::I linked names only once, and then someone came along and linked them multiple times. Now that I look at it, usernames just look better linked, no matter where they are. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:29, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

== Old wikilink ==

Now that we link to the old wiki alot in this article, won't it be appropriate to create a short link to the old wiki? Something like <nowiki>[[Tavi:Stu|Stu's userpage]] or [[Old:Stu|same here]]</nowiki>. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 09:04, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

:We should never really be linking to the old Wiki outside of this historical context. The information is mostly outdated, so I rather like it being harder to link to. There's also rel="nofollow" to consider as well.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:16, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

::I agree with keeping them harder to link to, but technically they aren't external links. I'd be in favor of spanning them with the <code>plainlinks</code> class. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:35, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

User:Bubsty

James — Thu, 01 Dec 2005 06:03:43 GMT

James: sign'ed

<div class="usermessage">You need to give me some [[User Talk:Bubsty|messages.]]</div>
<center><big><big>It's D-ween everyone!</big></big>

[[Image:holidaygreeting.png|225px|thumb|O holy Crap! Er... I mean, Happy Holidays!]]
[[Image:Wikistress3D 2 v3.jpg|thumb|right|100px|Piano lessons and homework. Dagnabbit.]]

'''''<big><big><big>WELCOME TO BUBSTY'S INCREDIBLY LONG AND BORING USER PAGE!!!!!</big></big></big> '''''</center>
:<center>DECEMBERWEEN'D!</center>

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<center>'''QUOTE FROM SOME KINDA USER LIKE THING''' (Updated every <s>day</s> <s>week</s> year):</center>

<center>"500 hits!!! Man, you guys really <strike> don't give a friggin' crap </strike> like this page, don't you?" --[[User:SupremeRulerOfSBadia|SupremeRulerOfSBadia]]</center>

Hey maybe kids! You want a quote posted here? Then leave it on my talk page! I'll probably add it here!

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==Hey there everypeoples==
Hiya chaps, I'm Bubsty. AKA madmanwithaknife, shmebb, shmebber8, Justatest7, and Bubsters108. *Phew!*
So... take a look around. I strongly suggest checking out my favorites. And this [[User:Bubsty/hrquiz|quiz]] that I made's not bad. And this guestbook is pretty fun. I mean, I signed it.

==Thy wiki and I!==
===How this started/my goals===
[[Image:hrwlogoidea-fixed.png|thumb|Yay! Homestar Wiki!]]
: I found out about this wiki when I was google-ing all the main characters of homestar at school. That was around April or March 2005. So I haven't been here for very long.
:Anyway, I really like the wiki. I love homestar, and I like editing on a computer, so this definately is the place for me. Someday, I hope to be a sysop. But thats never going to happen. I at least home I can get the "User of the Month" award someday. But before that happens, I need to know a lot more about editing. My stupid computer won't let me upload images yet, which kinda sucks.

===What I do===
:Some of the things I do do are:
*Patrol the "recent changes" page.
*Catch trolls. (I've caught 5 so far).
*State my opinion in the "stuff" page.
*Do gnome work.
*Post questions/comments on the talk pages of... pages.
*Constantely upgrade this page.
:I joined the welcoming commitee in July sometime, then quit, and then joined again.
:I've also made a Homestarrunner quiz that you can check it out [[User:Bubsty/hrquiz|here]]. If you get 8 out of 8, and you never guessed or cheated, then... congratulations.

===Things I've Done===
[[Image:defender of the wiki.jpg|thumb|I won this award for fighting the "----- STOLE MY COW" troll.]]
I really haven't done much on this wiki, but I have done a few accomplishments. That I like.

*I worked on the transcript for the "[[More Fan Costumes]]" page. (Not that much, however).
*I started the transcript, and did a lot of it, on [[Fall Float Parade]].
*I worked on the [[HRWiki:History|History]] page before it was completed.
*When that huge "----- STOLE MY COW!!!" troll came along, I think I was the first one to notice it, and the first one to revert a page that it changed. Now, I've reverted a '''whole''' ton of the pages that stupid troll edited. I also won an award for my efforts! (Thanks [[User:AbdiViklas|Abdi]])
*I did 2 sections on the [[HRWiki:ProxyBlocks|Proxyblocks]] project. I would've done more, but I had to get off. Dang!
*I made this page. (Duh!)
*I've welcomed 35 people.
*I created the article on [[Outer Space]]. Which is why it's not very good.

==It's that season...==
:I don't know about all you guys, but '''''I''''' am totally in love with <s>Christmas</s> [[Decemberween]]. Here are some merry memories of past Decemberweens!
[[Image:homsar alms.PNG|110px]]|[[Image:snowglobe.png|120px]]|[[Image:dween.png|120px]]|[[Image:bestdecemberween.PNG|120px]]|[[Image:xmas2002.png|120px]]|[[Image:decemberween emails.png|120px]]|[[Image:holidaygreeting.png|120px]]. Um... thats it. MERRY DECEMBERWEEN EVERYONE!

== My favorite homestar things==
[[Image:homsar evolution current.png|thumb|My favorite character. Ain't he cute?]]
*FAVORITE CHARACTER: [[Homsar]]
*FAVORITE TOONS: [[Cool Things]], [[The Interview]], [[Decemberween In July]], [[Homestar vs. Little Girl 2]], [[Everybody to the Limit]].
*FAVORITE SB_EMAILS: [[bottom 10]], [[long pants]], [[pom pom]], [[2 years]], [[island]], [[little questions]], [[sb_email 22]].
*FAVORITE TEEN GIRL SQUAD: [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 10|Issue #10]].
*FAVORITE PLACE: [[The Stick]].
*FAVORITE QUOTES:
::'''[[Halloween Potion-ma-jig|Meka-leka-hi-meka-The Cheat throw a TV on 'im... ho...]]''' - [[Strong Bad]]
::'''[[Pom Pom|Pom pom and I are still cool]].''' - [[Homestar Runner]]
::'''[[bottom 10|Um... not... pidgeons]].''' - [[Strong Bad]]
::'''[[Homsar|Pshooooooooooo...]]''' - [[Homsar]]
::'''[[The Interview|Oh I doubt it. I drove]].''' - [[Homestar Runner]]
*FAVORITE 20X6 ENEMY: [[Stinkoman 20X6 Enemies|Chorch]].
[[Image:stinkogame-enemy-chorch.gif]][[Image:stinkogame-enemy-chorch.gif]][[Image:stinkogame-enemy-chorch.gif]][[Image:stinkogame-enemy-chorch.gif]][[Image:stinkogame-enemy-chorch.gif]]
:And... some things that I ''don't'' like are... 
1. Dead links. (That could be corrected. It's annoying). 
2. People who don't sign their posts. (You don't need a link, I just wanna know who I'm talking to! It doesn't matter if you're annonymous). 
3. When people spell my name wrong. (It's Eri'''''k''''', not Eri'''''c'''''!!!!)
== Sig ==
:This is my sig: — http://www.hrwiki.org/skins/monobook/hr.png[[User:Bubsty|'''''Bub''''''''''sty''''']] [[User talk:Bubsty|'''''My''''' '''''talk''''']]. (NOTE: For the season, I've changed it to {{User:Bubsty/sig}})

==Favorite Users 'round here==
If I had to list ''every'' single person who was awsome on this wiki, it'd take up a lot of space. Let's just say everybody on this list, and everyone who's signed my guestbook rules too. Of course, there are about 50,000 other cool people here.

:[[User:JoeyDay|Joey Day]]. Of course he's one of my favorite users. He MADE hrwiki!
:[[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]. Nice guy. He's helped me a lot. (Who hasen't he helped?) And thank you for not getting ''to'' mad whenever I make a stupid mistake.
:[[User:Bkmlb.|Bkmlb]]. He set me up with my sig. Check it out!
:[[User:Lapper|Lapper]]. Have you seen this guys help pages? Awsome, awsome.
:[[User:Thekillerdynamo|Thekillerdynamo]]. Thats my sisters page. Of course, she NEVER goes on.
:[[User:The Pizza Guy|The Pizza Guy]]. This is my friend Adam. He lives really far away, but we're still friends. Check out our [http://boxochox.blogspot.com blog!]
:[[User:Pieinbubsface|Pieinbubsface]]. This is my friend from school, who's somewhat new at the wiki. Very nice.
:[[User:Benol|Benol]]. This guy and I work on another [http://casaestrellacorredor.blogspot.com/ blog], this one is about homestar itself, plus [http://shinyboxy.blogspot.com/ this one], which is just about... whatever.
:[[User:FluffityPuffity|FluffityPuffity]], [[User:SparkPlug|SparkPlug]], [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]], and [[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]], all for helping me fight that "----- stole my cow" troll. I know there were others, but those were the ones who got an award like mine for their efforts.
:[[User:Sir Strong Bad|Sir Strong Bad]]. THIS GUY IS AWESOME '''STOP''' WAY KINDER THEN THE SIR STRONG BAD IN ALL THEM CARTOONS OR MAYBE THATS JUST ME '''STOP'''

==Quick facts about me==
[[Image:Place Postcard.PNG|thumb|My city (In the background)]]
[[Image:Puppet_Tangerine.PNG|left|thumb|Yeah! That's my exact computer!!]]
:My name is, as I mentioned above, Erik. NOT ERIC!!!
:I live in [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle Seattle WA] (AKA [[Places Strong Bad Made Up|place]])
:My birthday is June 27
:I've known Homestarrunner.com for about a year now.
:The computer I use is the exact same as [[Tangerine Dreams|The Cheat's]]. Only difference is that mine is blue. I call it '''Aquamarine Dreams.''' (Thanks stux).

So... that's it.

==Contacting info==

:If you wish to talk to me, I'd like it best if you could post a messge on my [[User talk:Bubsty|talk page]].
If not, then you can click on the "e-mail this user" link in the toolbox, located at the left of the screen. I have listed an e-mail.
I also have an AOL user, wackyweirdo824. For those of you who play neopets, my account is madmanwithaknife (Er... don't ask). And for runescape users, my user name there is Justatest7, previously Bubsters108 before I changed it. And for chat channel peoples... I try to be on during the scheduled chats, but recently I've been busy when they happen.
:Thats it.

==Guestbook==
Seeing as every other user has something like this, I assume you know what do to. Please sign before leaving. Thanks!


*--[[User:RadSkat3|RadSkat3]] [[monster truck|Someday]], November 32
*--[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 01:20, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
*--[[User:Thekillerdynamo|Thekillerdynamo]] 03:11, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
*— {{User:Lapper/sig}} 04:15, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
*[[User:SparkPlug|SparkPlug]] 04:24, 14 November 2005 (UTC) Sign'd!
*[[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 05:10, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
*[[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 05:15, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
* [[User:Jibney|Homsar]] AAAAaaAAAaAAAAaaAAa! this is a nice pen you got here! phshooooo......
*[[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 23:48, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
*--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:52, 15 November 2005 (UTC) Hey! Yo!
*[[user:NOT Billy Bob Bob]] 08:20, 15 November 2005 (UTC) You'r user page is no place for a mighty warrior!
*[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 02:01, 16 November 2005 (UTC) Signin' yer guestbook?? That's not very ladylike!
*{{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 02:06, 16 November 2005 (UTC) I can count to G!
*{{User:The Chort/sig}} 20:22, 16 November 2005 (UTC) My Autograph? Sure!
*{{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:24, 16 November 2005 (UTC). "Any comment that i'd like.
*--{{User:Benol/sig}} 21:27, 16 November 2005 (UTC) SIGNIFIED LIKE A MAD MAN!
*— {{User:Stinkoman K/Sig}} 18:28, 19 November 2005 (UTC) SIGN'D! (OW! My guestbook!)
*--[[User:Hyrulian|Hyrulian]] 10:21, 21 November 2005 (UTC) Thanks for the welcoming! :)
*{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 01:11, 23 November 2005 (UTC) Give you some messages? More like, I give you a punch in the face!
*{{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} "I BAKED YOU A CAKE!!!"
*{{User:pieinbubsface/sig}} 20:26, 24 November 2005 (UTC) Didn't say you had a wagon fulla pamcakes.
*[[Image:homsar_small.PNG]]Homsarroks[[Image:kookysig.gif]] 18:37, 25 November 2005 (UTC)--Yo.
*{{User:SupremeRulerOfSBadia/sig}}24, Nov. 2005 It's me...SBadiaRula!
*{{User:Salty/sig}} 00:57, 28 November 2005 (UTC) Your message thing fooled and confused me, so I punish you by having my name occupy your guestbook!
*{{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 06:06, 26 November 2005 (UTC)
*[[User:Has Matt?|Has Matt?]] Many combolations, Elizagerth!
*{{User:Sir Strong Bad/sig}} 04:38, 28 November 2005 (UTC) One would suppose that I should sign your electronic guestbook as well, eh? Good tidings to you!
*{{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:35, 1 December 2005 (UTC) Thanks for signing my guestbook!
*--[[User:James|JamesGecko]] 06:03, 1 December 2005 (UTC) SIGNED'ED

HRWiki:A History

James — Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:54:03 GMT

James: Raw information. w00t! (As best I remember it, anyway) Clean it up as you feel fit.

[[Image:A_history.PNG|300px|thumb|Our proud heritage]]
The history of the '''Homestar Runner Wiki.'''

==Overview==
===The beginnings and early days===

In November 2002, a mutual friend emailed [[User:JoeyDay|Joey Day]] and [[User:Stu|Stu Wilde]] a link to [[Strong Bad Email|Strong Bad email]] #51, [[website]], knowing they would enjoy it since they are both web-design hobbyists. This was the first time they had experienced Homestar Runner, and both of them were immediately hooked.

Nearly a year later in September 2003, Joey stumbled across [[Wikipedia:Main Page|Wikipedia]], the free encyclopedia. He immediately fell in love with the concept and decided to start a wiki of his own. After researching the various wiki platforms available at the time, he settled on one called WikiTikkiTavi because it used a MySQL database and produced valid XHTML markup. He hadn't given much thought to scalability at the time, preferring something light and snappy over the larger and more stable platforms like Twiki, Moin Moin, or MediaWiki.

After installing the software on October 7, 2003, Joey decided he needed a topic. It didn't take him long to decide it should be a Homestar Runner knowledge base. After Googling to make sure no one had already set up such a thing, he promptly called his wiki the Homestar Runner Wiki.

In the first couple weeks Joey transcribed a few emails, starting with [[mile]], but then life crept in and he was unable to do much more. It took nearly two months for anyone else to discover the Wiki, but slowly and surely people began shuffling in. [http://old.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=hawk hawk] and [http://old.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=Maz Maz] were the first users to create UserSpaces, and when [http://old.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=Stu Stu] heard there were people on the Wiki he decided to set up his own UserSpace. [http://old.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=JamesGecko JamesGecko] was the first user to contribute significant content.

<blockquote>"I remember when there was nothing here but a transcript for the Strong Bad Email Mile, done by none other than yours truly. I about fell off my chair when I opened up StrongBadEmail one day to find that every email had been listed with a link to its own page. I about fell off my chair again when I opened it up a month later to discover that every email had been transcribed!" — Joey Day ([http://old.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=WikiChat%2FOldTimersClub WikiChat/OldTimersClub]).</blockquote>

The wiki was growing fast, but things really took off with the addition of the forum. For maybe two weeks, there was a wiki page called "forum", or something like that. For a few days, it had two or three threads going. After it hit 7 threads on one page JamesGecko posted two or three rules about format and thread creation and broke it into several subpages, one page per thread. Within a week or so, I believe we'd hit 25 or 50 threads. About that point, Joey started working on the forum.

For a longish time, the IRC channel was very empty. Tom, Tom's bot, and one or two other admins. There were a few other folks who would drop in every now and then, but it was still fairly boring. At one point JamesGecko noticed how many people had AIM user names listed on their user page and made an entry on the "forum" page inviting people to come to the AIM chatroom "homestarrunner". Within minutes, 20 or so wikiers appeared. It lasted for an hour, untill the local wiki troll appeared and annoyed everyone. (JamesGecko is unsure when the IRC channel took off. Info?)

===The start of year two===

===The start of year three===

===Goals for the future===

==Important additions==
===STUFF===
====First attempt====
====Overhaul====
===Featured articles===
===Da Basement===
[[HRWiki:Da Basement|Da Basement]] is a place for [[Special:Listadmins|administrators and sysops]] to congregate and discuss important issues that involve the wiki. These discussions range from new page ideas to formating and template changes to the content of the wiki. Although Da Basement is intended for sysops, anyone is allowed to contribute.

The page originaly started out with the name "Sysop water-cooler". Several users posted ideas for new titles. The title Da Basement, posted by [[User:FireBird|FireBird]], became the new name. This originated from [[Arcade Game]].

===The Stick===
[[HRWiki:The Stick|The Stick]] is the community center of the wiki. It has links to all the commitees, the community projects, and more, and it's the best place to go if you want to help the wiki, vote on STUFF'd articles, etc.

===Recent changes patrol===
[[HRWiki:Recent changes patrol|Recent changes patrol]] is a HRWiki committee that searches Recent Changes for red exlamation points (!). This crew patrols the wiki every time an edit has been made. This patrol is the Wiki's first line of defense. If anyone were to make an edit that is false, mispelled, or malicous, a user from the Recent Changes Patrol will revert that edit. Although any logged-in user is allowed to patrol, they are encouraged to join the committee if they do.

===Welcoming committee===
The [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]] is a group of users who welcome new users to the Wiki. These messages are added to the new user's talk page. These messages are meant not only to help the new user out as they get started, but to also make them feel more at home. Generally, welcome messages tend to include links to several helpful articles and pages, including the "[[Help:Contents|Help]]" section and the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Index MediaWiki user's guide]. Anyone is allowed to join the committee.

The Welcoming committee was created on October 7, 2004 by [[User:FireBird|FireBird]] after a (brief) discussion with [[User:Tom|Tom]].

==Important upgrades==
===Wiki Tiki Tavi===
===MediaWiki 1.3===
Around June 2004, it was becoming apparent that 'Tavi would no longer be able to handle the amount of traffic the Wiki was experiencing, and the admin team begain researching alternatives. On July 16, 2004, MediaWiki 1.3 [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=1 was installed] on the server at beta.hrwiki.org. It was secretly developed under the name "Experimental Wiki" for nearly two months and released in late August, 2004.

*[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=2&oldid=1 First edit]
*[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page&diff=5&oldid=4 First productive edit]

===[[HRWiki:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.4|MediaWiki 1.4]]===
The Wiki was upgraded to MediaWiki 1.4 on April 3, 2005.

===MediaWiki 1.5===
On 9 October 2005, the wiki [[HRWiki:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.5|upgraded to MediaWiki 1.5]]. This added many new options to the wiki, not the least of which was the Move Log, which lists all the pages that have been moved. This addition was particularly useful for combatting the page-move vandal [[HRWiki:A History#Willy on Wheels|Willy on Wheels]].

However, the 1.5 upgrade also had a few bugs in it. One disabled all usernames starting with a lowercase initial. Such users then had to [[HRWiki:Changing username|change their name]] formally to continue editing the wiki. Another bug is one that automatically adds a user's talk page to their watchlist, thus causing a permanent stay of the "New Messages" alert. Neither of these issues have been resolved as of yet.

==Administration and maintenance==
===Early administration===
The 'Tavi software didn't have much in the way of administrative features. There was password-protected admin area that allowed a user to lock and unlock pages and block and unblock IPs. At first [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] was the only one with access to that page, but [[User:Stu|Stu]] was given access sometime in late 2003. Before the Wiki was upgraded to MediaWiki, [[User:Tom|Tom]] and [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] were also given administrator access.

When the Wiki was upgraded to MediaWiki 1.3 on July 16, 2004, the original group of bureaucrats/sysops consisted of [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]], [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]], [[User:Stu|Stu]], [[User:Tom|Tom]]. The Wiki continued to grow, and on (or just before) December 21, 2004, [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]], who had contributed greatly to the migration, was given bureaucrat/sysop privileges.

On February 5, 2005, the decision was made to begin utilizing the tiered permissions system of the MediaWiki software. On that date, [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] and [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] were given sysop priveleges, but they weren't given bureaucrat privileges or made part of the Admin Team.

===April 2005 sysop nominations===
In April 2005, the Wiki held its first [[HRWiki:April 2005 Sysop Nominations|sysop nominations]]. The nomination process was simple: once a nomination was made, several users posted their thoughts on who would be the best choice, though all the final decisions were made by the Admin Team. On April 25, 2005, the following users were accepted and given sysop privileges: [[User:FireBird|FireBird]], [[User:Furrykef|Furrykef]], [[User:Jay|Jay]], [[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]], and [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]]. Additionally, [[User:The Paper|The Paper]] became a sysop on April 27 and [[User:Homestar Coder|Homestar Coder]] on April 29.

===Later additions===
On September 9, 2005, during the second server move of the current wiki, two other sysops were added: [[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] and [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]. On November 16 of the same year, two bots, [[User:GrapeNuts|GrapeNuts]] and [[User:Valerie|Valerie]] (owned by [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] and [[User:Tom|Tom]] respectively), were made sysops for purposes of convenience, and [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] was made a bureaucrat and a part of the Admin Team on November 21.

==Infamous vandals==
===Willy on Wheels===
[[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Vandalism in progress/Willy on Wheels|Willy on Wheels]], or WoW for short, is a single or several persistent vandals. He began attacking the [[Wikipedia:Main Page|English Wikipedia]], and then moved on to most of the rest of the languages, as well as other wikis. The vast majority of his efforts center on Wikipedia and, to a lesser extent, the [http://www.wikimedia.org/ Wikimedia sister projects]. The only non Wikimedia wikis that WoW has ever attacked and reported are Wiki Cities, Travel Wiki, the Uncyclopedia, Wiki Info, and the heaviest hit, the HRWiki. His tactics are not similar to those of most other trolls and vandals, in that he uses only high-speed page move vandalism as his weapon. He first attacked the wiki in the summer of 2005, and has popped up somewhat frequently ever since. His method involved registering a username, opening a random page in several tabbed browsers, setting them up to move, and then rapidly executing the move before the username is blocked. It's impossible to know whether this is the work of one person or several copycats, but our WoW seems to originate with an AOL account. His vandalism is serious, but it's mostly just annoying compared to the more recent threat, NSMC.

===NSMC===
NSMC is a vandalbot that has caused widespread damage to several wikis. Its method of operation exploits various access points available to anonymous users. As a result, these access points have been temporarily disabled. In its first attack, it anonymously and randomly vandalized by replacing their contents with "N— stole my bike" and later "N— stole my cow". To avoid being blocked, the bot uses a vast amount of Internet proxies so that it can appear to originate from hundreds of IP addresses. The number of pages affected was in such a small amount of time that it created a [[Wikipedia:Denial_of_service_attack|denial of service]]. Later, when anonymous editing had been disabled, the bot created hundreds of random usernames with "NSMC" plus a number, each with one edit, so new-user registration was taken offline. After the knowlegde base was hit, then it moved to the Fanstuff. The usernames eventually became just random numbers approximately 20 characters in length, and the content of the vandalism changed from something static that we could search for to various bits of actual content. In the latest attack, the "email new password" feature of the user login page was abused, sending thousands of emails to various users. The identity of the vandal is not currently known, nor is the motive.

==Spinoffs==
===Forum===
===Fanstuff===
The [[HRFWiki:Main Page|Fanstuff wiki]] was created on November 24, 2004. Originally, when the old wiki was still around, the fanstuff articles and the knowledge base articles were kept on the same wiki. As the wiki grew, however, it became obvious that the Fanstuff needed its own space.

The Fanstuff wiki is for storing fanstuff users have created. They can write Other Character Emails, provide links to fanstuff animations they've done, or even write adventure stories about certain characters.

The Fanstuff, unlike the knowledge base, will let people create new pages, as long as they're related to [[Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)|Homestar Runner]] somehow. Naturally, seeing as the sky's the limit, the fanstuff has many more articles then the knowledge base. However, the knowledge base has more users; about 3000 more than the fanstuff.

===IRC channel===

The HRWiki Internet Relay Chat channel was created on 18 May 2005 by [[User:Tom|Tom Preuss]], as nickname ''Tom39''. Although its name, [irc://irc.freenode.net/hrwiki #hrwiki], and parent wiki both suggest that the topic would be kept strictly to Homestar related material, the atmosphere is calm and friendly. Language is kept at a ''PG'' level and personal attacks are not tolerated to keep the chat channel this way. Currently, this channel is kept in check by five of the six members of the [[Template:adminteam|Admin Team]], [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]], [[User:Tom|Tom]], [[User:Stu|Stu]], [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]], and [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]. On 7 September 2005, the Fanstuff wiki IRC channel, [irc://irc.freenode.net/hrwiki-fanstuff #hrwiki-fanstuff], was founded. This is a sightly looser and less constructed atmosphere for those who choose it, just as its parent wiki.

The IRC channel is a faster, more group-oriented, yet still annonymous way to communicate with fellow wiki users, as opposed to using [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=1 talk pages].
{{stub}}

HRWiki talk:A History

James — Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:38:56 GMT

James: Yeah, I'm alive. :-)

HRWiki talk:A History

James — Thu, 01 Dec 2005 05:29:40 GMT

James: /* Focus on the story, not the descriptions */

Talk:Homestar Runner RPG

James — Wed, 20 Jul 2005 02:08:48 GMT

James:

Would this count as the first RPG for the 2600? Or have other fan RPGs been made already?

Is this REALLY going to be made? It IS taking a loooong time. --[[User:Dinoshaur|Dinoshaur]] 19:19, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This is the first '''Official''' RPG, Dinoshaur. --[[User:James|James]] 02:08, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Homestar Runner RPG

James — Wed, 20 Jul 2005 02:06:35 GMT

James: Adding Linux emulator links.

[[Image:hsr_rpg_atari2600_tv.jpg|thumb|220px|Atarinated!]]

'''Homestar Runner RPG''' is the first official console game for homestarrunner.com. It is currently under development for the [[Wikipedia:Atari 2600|Atari 2600]] by Paul Slocum.

Gamers will be able to play as [[Homestar Runner]], [[Homsar]], or [[Strong Sad]] and possibly [[Marzipan]] and [[Coach Z]] against the villain [[Strong Bad]] and possibly [[The Cheat]] and [[Strong Mad]] in a traditional swords and sorcery RPG. The enemies will include those from other games in the Atari family. The map will be large, with the map of comparable size to the early computer RPGs. Game-play will be turn-based with lots of mini-games and story text with codes given to "save" game.

The game will be released in an Atari 2600 cartridge for the dedicated old-school gamer, and as a downloadable ROM for systems with an emulator.

On January 4th, 2005 the developer published this statement:
<pre> "The game's on hold for a while. I'm too busy with my band and other
projects to work on it right now, but I do plan to return to it when
I can. Sorry it's taking so long, but that's life."</pre>

==External links==
*[http://qotile.net/rpg.html Developer's Site]
*[http://www.mindspring.com/~paul_slocum/rpg/temp_rpg/hs_demo.zip Downloadable Demo ROM]
*[http://www.theoldcomputer.com/Libarary%27s/Emulation/Atari2600/stella-1.1.2-mac.sit.bin Download Stella Atari2600 Emulator for Mac]
*[http://www.theoldcomputer.com/Libarary%27s/Emulation/Atari2600/stellax-1.1.3a-win32.zip Download Stella Atari2600 Emulator for Windows]
* Download Stella Atari2600 Emulator for Linux ( [http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/stella/stella-1.4.2-src.tar.gz?download Source] [http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/stella/stella-1.4.2-1plf.i586.rpm?download RPM] )
*[http://www.theoldcomputer.com/Libarary%27s/Emulation/Atari2600/z26v145x.zip Download z26 Atari2600 Emulator for Windows]
*[http://www.whimsey.com/z26/z26v213.tar.gz Download z26 Atari2600 Emulator for Linux] (Source only)

[[Category: Games]]

Peasant's Quest

James — Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:11:59 GMT

James: Adding/fixing hotu link.

{{cleanup}}
[[Image:peasantsquest.png|thumb|Burninated cottage action!]]

''"Control a short-panted 'peasant' named Rather Dashing as he stumbles through Peasantry in his 'quest' to get revenge on a dragon thing."'' —[[Videlectrix]]

A real long time ago, in the peasant kingdom of [[Peasantry]], some people lived... in fear. You are [[Rather Dashing]], (a peasant wearing short pants) who returns from a vacation to find his thatched cottage.....BURNINATED! You set out on a quest to get revenge on [[Trogdor]] once and for all.
So will he make it, staying alive, and protecting this peasant kingdom from burnination?
''YOU'' decide!!!

'''Page Title:''' Peasant's Quest

'''Date:''' August 2, 2004

== Instructions ==
* Look around by typing stuff like "Look".
* Talk to folks by typing "talk" or "talk man".
* Take items by typing "get (item)"
* Use items by typing "use (item)". You can also "throw (item)", "give (item)", or some other action words.
* Type "inv" to see your Inventory.
* Type "save" to save your game and "load" to load a game. (Cookies must be enabled.)
* Press + or - to speed up or slow down your character.

== Fun Facts ==
=== Trivia===
* The game itself is a parody of "[[Wikipedia:King's Quest|King's Quest]]" and related games; the game's graphics are based on said game, "Peasantry" is a play on "Daventry," there are mountains in the background that can never be reached, no matter how far north Dashing travels, and one screen is "apparently autumn".
*The filename of the game is disk4of12.html, a nod to old PC games which were often distributed on multiple floppy disks and which prompted the player to insert the next disk at certain points during installation or gameplay.
* When you die, the programmers give you a little message: "'Thanks so much for playing this game here! Don't get too frustrated. Take some time for yourself. Have a refreshing coffee. Relax. Then come back and try again maybe!' - The Videlectrix Guys" This is a reference to certain Sierra adventure games, such as Space Quest, in which the creators would include humorous messages to be displayed when you died.
*If you type "where" on the screen above the Mountain Pass, you'll see that it has no name.

=== Goofs ===
* When you get the Trog-Shield, the flames on your head are mysteriously put out.
* Typing "look" on Poor Gary's screen will still say 'rotten ol' horse' even after he's fled.

=== Glitches ===
* A strange mapping bug allows you to "warp" to the baby-lady's house and the inn from another screen entirely. Walk into where you would go to the hidden glen, but go up through the fence and to the left.
* On the screen containing Jhonka's Cave walk into the bottom left corner and you'll end up in the inn, however you'll only be able to walk along the bottom and right sides of the screen. *Both glitches make it so you walk where you couldn't before.
* Standing behind the "INN" sign while standing as close as possible to the inn itself will cause part of Rather Dashing to appear in front of the sign.
* If you fail the quiz from one of the three keepers of Trogdor and are subsequently turned into Ron Cumberdale (or the old musician or a pile of bones) and lose the game, instead of loading a game, just click on RESTART on the load menu after Game Over. Skip the game's intro and then press Enter. This will once again bring up the question you answered wrong while you're standing by the knight at the entrance of Trogdor's cave. Answering the question wrong again just gets you another Game Over, answering right just makes the box disappear, although it doesn't seem like the box will ever go away, regardless of what you do. Even trying to move around brings it back up.
* After you kill the Kerrek (in Kerrek tracks 2,) go west and into the baby cottage. It will be raining inside.
* On the Game Over screen, hit Enter twice and the animation of your bones will start over! you can do this as many times as you like.
** If you die, and press restart, and then press enter twice, you will STILL go through another death scene.
* After typing "use sword" in Trogdor's inner sanctum, walk right for an interesting glitch. Even though Rather Dashing's graphic is locked in place, he actually will get burninated even though he is nowhere near Trogdor, and the fire will come from Trogdor's neck instead of his nose.
* The Kerrek won't start decomposing until you get the belt.
* If you get Kerrek's belt after getting on fire, the animation of getting the belt won't show you on fire.
*Download the flash file and start a game. At any time type "save". In the save menu, click on the flash player's control tab (next to file and view), and select "play". It loads the archery game and you can get the bow before you are supposed to, plus you can do it over again to get more than the total points.
* In Trogdor's Lair, you will hear a tune. Keep pressing load game and it will keep repeating it and sound weirder each time.

=== Inside References ===
*Sometimes, when you jump in to the hay bale (after being covered with mud), it says you jump in like a "two years old boy". This is a reference to [[Main Page 15]].
* The screen title "River b/w Tree" is a reference to [[Arcade Game]], in which one of the items on Homestar's list is "pork b/w beans". The abbreviation "w/" for "with" is not used, instead it's "b/w" which was used on old vinyl records and singles to refer to the B-side ("b/w" = "backed with"). It was also used in [[Strong Sad's Lament]] as "Arts b/w Crafts".
* If you try to jumping in the left side of the lake, it responds "Not so fast, Swimmer [[Dan]]!".
* When you reach the top of the mountain, it says "Nice jorb climbing the cliff.", which is a reference to [[A Jorb Well Done]], as well as [[Coach Z]]'s accent in general.
* [[Jhonka]] is from the e-mail [[impression]].
* [[Kerrek]] is from the e-mail [[interview]].
* At the bale of hay, if you type "Get hay", it makes another reference to Thy Dungeonman and Thy Dungeonman 2 by saying "Who do you think you are, some kind of Thy Dungeonman?"
**There is another Thy Dungeonman reference if you "look jhonka."
* When you type in "die" it says "That wasn't very smart". This is a reference to Thy Dungeonman, yet again.
* If you type in "get plague" at the burned out tree, the game calls you Mispeller Jones [sic], a reference to the "Interruptor Jones" quip from [[morning routine]].
* If you enter an area with the Kerrek, and you type in "make friends with Kerrek", it says "It didn't work for Strong Bad, and its not gonna work for you" and if you type "buy Kerrek a cold one", it says "The Kerrek is a teetotaller and is offended by your offer. You've really cheesed him off now" and begins charging at you FAST. These are references to the email [[for kids]], in which Strong Bad types in those commands while playing the game.
* After killing the Kerrek the screen says "ARROWED!! Nice shot. You smote the Kerrek! He lay there stinking." 'Arrowed' is a running joke used in [[Teen Girl Squad]] where any word is made into the past tense by adding ed or 'd

=== Real-World References ===
* When you obtain you hay disguise, the game says "now you're a walking bale of hay. Just like that guy from that one show". it could be referring to cousin Itt from The Addams Family, who looked like a walking bale of hay with glasses and a hat.
* If you type LOOK near the hay, it says "It reminds you of a warm, safe place where as a child you'd hide", a reference to "Sweet Child O' Mine" by Guns N' Roses.
* Looking at the rock in the middle of the river gives a reference to "Rock of Ages" by Def Leppard.
* When you scare Gary it says he "broke on through to the other side", a reference to "Break on Through" by the Doors.
* Hugging the tree at the hay bale produces a reference to a well-known Byrds song. However, once you do this you seem to get stuck.
*If you look at the cracked ground it says something about it being a place in which rock stars make amazing guitar solos— a reference to Slash's solo on "November Rain" by Guns N' Roses.
* When you look at the painting in the inn, it says that there are dogs playing "Magic: The Nerdering". This is a reference to the ''Magic: the Gathering'' card game, as well as to the stereotype of ''Magic''-players as being antisocial nerds. The painting itself is a reference to C. M. Coolidge's painting of dogs playing poker, entitled "Looks Like Four of a Kind".
* When you type "break" anything, it says "Violence is not the answer." This is a reference to classic text adventure parsers, which often reply with "Violence is not the solution" if the player enters something of the sort.
* If you try to GET CANDLE after waking up in the Inn, it will say "It looks like you should be able to do that, but you can't." This is a play on the fact that many old games had important items standing out, with brighter colors or a thicker border (making it easier to find the right book in a bookshelf to open a secret passage).
* Starting from the Hidden Glen screen, turn left as you exit through the hole in the fence. This allows you enter the screen "located" above the Hidden Glen, which turns out to be the interior of the Baby Lady Cottage. Entering the cottage in this manner changes the way you interact with your surroundings, allowing you to walk through walls, and even walk an indeterminate distance off the edge of the screen. Possibly this is not an error, but rather a reference to Atari's old Adventure game, in which you could peer off the edge of one screen into another, and enter a secret room which is said to be the first instance of an "Easter egg" in a game.
* When you type "look" and then an object that doesn't really contribute to the game, the message will say "You don't need to look at that." This may be a reference to Space Quest 4 in which it says the exact same thing.
* When trying to 'get' a certain object the game will tell you "No. That doesn't look like it would fit in your pants." There is one other point at which you are told that the main character has stuffed an object into his shorts. These may be references to the point and click puzzle adventure Monkey Island games, in which the main character, Guybrush Threepwood, stuffs any helpful props he can find in his pants.
* When you smite the Kerrek, it'll first say "Here goes, Kid Icarus". This is a reference to a Nintendo game of the same name: Kid Icarus, in which your main weapon is a bow.
* The save screen may be a reference to the old Legend of Zelda games in both format, the addition of hearts through progress, and the addition of artifacts that are added to your body (shield, helmet, sword).
* Typing 'throw baby' at the west screen of the lake gets the message "I guess you misread the walkthrough at GameFAQs..." GameFAQs is a popular gaming website known for its huge number of walkthroughs or FAQs for just about every game there is (including Peasant's Quest).
* Mendelev won't talk to you if you are on his side of the desk when you talk to him. This may be a reference to a shopkeeper in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, who similarly insisted that you talk to him on the other side of the desk.
* Typing "light lantern" is a reference to the text-based Zork series (themselves based on Crowther and Woods' Adventure game), in which you always carried a Brass Lantern, and which is parodied in Thy Dungeonman.
* The "Disk read error. Please insert floppy disk 2 into Drive B and press enter." message may be a reference to the infamous "stump joke" from ''Secret of Monkey Island'', in which there was a stump in the forest, which when examined said there was a hole leading to a system of catacombs beneath it. However when you tried to use it, it would ask you to insert various disk numbers that didn't come with the game (online references vary, but usually are somewhere around disk 20 to disk 100). After cancelling all these requests the hero would say "I'll just have to skip that part of the game." The joke was not included in the CD-ROM version of the game.
* When you obtain the Kerrek's belt, Rather Dashing holds it over his head in a fashion similar to Link of [[Wikipedia:The Legend of Zelda|The Legend of Zelda]].
* At the bale of hay, type "look tree". It says "[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074697/ It's Arbor Day, Charlie Brown]", a 1976 Peanuts TV special.
* When you first talk to the knight guarding the mountain pass, he calls you "Dragonheart", a reference to the movie of the same name.
* If you ring the bell in the Inn it says "Instead of ringing or dinging, it just goes 'DUNG.'" This is probably a reference to the Monty Python joke: "What's brown and sounds like a bell? DUNG."
* If you try to get the pebbles but are too far away it says "You try to do your best Mr. Fantastic impression." This is a reference to the Fantastic Four.
* If you go to the screen with "River b/w Tree" and type "look hut" or "look cottage", it says "You see a cottage in the distance. You hold your fingers up to one eye and pretend to squash it." This is a reference to the Head-Crusher sketch on Kids in the Hall.
* If you try to "scare gary" before getting the maskus, two of the three possible responses are references. The first ("You tell Gary the story about the kid who pops this big zit he has and all these baby spiders come out. It doesn't phase him.") is a reference to an urban legend, and the second ("You tell Gary the "THE CALLS ARE COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE!!" one but he doesn't act very scared. He's probably heard it before.") is a reference to the old horror movie 'When a Stranger Calls' (which was then parodied in the movie 'Scream.').
* "Look tree" on the Hidden Glen screen. The result could of course be a reference to any fantasy story with elves, but is likely a reference to the portrayal of Legolas in the recent Lord of the Rings films. Some variation of this phrase was heard to be uttered by fanatics everywhere.
* Trogdor's voice is an old speech synthesizer called the Software Automatic Mouth, or S.A.M. Listen to the simalarities [http://retrobits.net/downloads/sam.mp3 here].
* If you try to give the Jhonka something he'll reply with "Don't need nothing from no filthy peasantses!!" This is a reference to the Lord of the Rings character, Gollum, whom Jhonka somewhat resembles.
* Try drinking anything. You will get a message saying that you don't need to. The message is reminiscent of a scene in the movie Caddyshack involving the Dalai Lama.
* The berries on the bushes are called "Crunch Berries." This is most likely a reference to the cereal of the same name.
* Trying to jump in the hay from far away will cause a reply which includes a usage of the initals MJ. This is a reference to Michael Jordan, a basketball player who had an incredible vertical jump, and was able to dunk the ball from the foul line, which is several feet away.
*Naked Ned popping in and out from the tree is similar to Smoke from Mortal Kombat II in the living forest level, where you would occasionally see him pop out, look, and return behind the tree.

== See Also ==
*[[Peasant's Quest Walkthrough]]
*[[Peasant's Quest Responses]]
*[[Peasant's Quest Preview]] (the game trailer)
*[[Peasant's Quest Movie Trailer]] (the "movie" trailer)

== External Links ==
*Play the [[HR:disk4of12.html|Game]]
*Play the [[HR:peasantsquest61.swf|Game (flash file)]]
*See the [http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=411 forum thread on this game]
*On July 18th, 2005, Peasent's Quest recieved a "Top Dog" award from [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=5243| Home of the Underdogs].

[[Category:Peasant's Quest]]

Peasant's Quest

James — Tue, 19 Jul 2005 22:11:09 GMT

James: /* External Links */

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[[Image:peasantsquest.png|thumb|Burninated cottage action!]]

''"Control a short-panted 'peasant' named Rather Dashing as he stumbles through Peasantry in his 'quest' to get revenge on a dragon thing."'' —[[Videlectrix]]

A real long time ago, in the peasant kingdom of [[Peasantry]], some people lived... in fear. You are [[Rather Dashing]], (a peasant wearing short pants) who returns from a vacation to find his thatched cottage.....BURNINATED! You set out on a quest to get revenge on [[Trogdor]] once and for all.
So will he make it, staying alive, and protecting this peasant kingdom from burnination?
''YOU'' decide!!!

'''Page Title:''' Peasant's Quest

'''Date:''' August 2, 2004

== Instructions ==
* Look around by typing stuff like "Look".
* Talk to folks by typing "talk" or "talk man".
* Take items by typing "get (item)"
* Use items by typing "use (item)". You can also "throw (item)", "give (item)", or some other action words.
* Type "inv" to see your Inventory.
* Type "save" to save your game and "load" to load a game. (Cookies must be enabled.)
* Press + or - to speed up or slow down your character.

== Fun Facts ==
=== Trivia===
* The game itself is a parody of "[[Wikipedia:King's Quest|King's Quest]]" and related games; the game's graphics are based on said game, "Peasantry" is a play on "Daventry," there are mountains in the background that can never be reached, no matter how far north Dashing travels, and one screen is "apparently autumn".
*The filename of the game is disk4of12.html, a nod to old PC games which were often distributed on multiple floppy disks and which prompted the player to insert the next disk at certain points during installation or gameplay.
* When you die, the programmers give you a little message: "'Thanks so much for playing this game here! Don't get too frustrated. Take some time for yourself. Have a refreshing coffee. Relax. Then come back and try again maybe!' - The Videlectrix Guys" This is a reference to certain Sierra adventure games, such as Space Quest, in which the creators would include humorous messages to be displayed when you died.
*If you type "where" on the screen above the Mountain Pass, you'll see that it has no name.

=== Goofs ===
* When you get the Trog-Shield, the flames on your head are mysteriously put out.
* Typing "look" on Poor Gary's screen will still say 'rotten ol' horse' even after he's fled.

=== Glitches ===
* A strange mapping bug allows you to "warp" to the baby-lady's house and the inn from another screen entirely. Walk into where you would go to the hidden glen, but go up through the fence and to the left.
* On the screen containing Jhonka's Cave walk into the bottom left corner and you'll end up in the inn, however you'll only be able to walk along the bottom and right sides of the screen. *Both glitches make it so you walk where you couldn't before.
* Standing behind the "INN" sign while standing as close as possible to the inn itself will cause part of Rather Dashing to appear in front of the sign.
* If you fail the quiz from one of the three keepers of Trogdor and are subsequently turned into Ron Cumberdale (or the old musician or a pile of bones) and lose the game, instead of loading a game, just click on RESTART on the load menu after Game Over. Skip the game's intro and then press Enter. This will once again bring up the question you answered wrong while you're standing by the knight at the entrance of Trogdor's cave. Answering the question wrong again just gets you another Game Over, answering right just makes the box disappear, although it doesn't seem like the box will ever go away, regardless of what you do. Even trying to move around brings it back up.
* After you kill the Kerrek (in Kerrek tracks 2,) go west and into the baby cottage. It will be raining inside.
* On the Game Over screen, hit Enter twice and the animation of your bones will start over! you can do this as many times as you like.
** If you die, and press restart, and then press enter twice, you will STILL go through another death scene.
* After typing "use sword" in Trogdor's inner sanctum, walk right for an interesting glitch. Even though Rather Dashing's graphic is locked in place, he actually will get burninated even though he is nowhere near Trogdor, and the fire will come from Trogdor's neck instead of his nose.
* The Kerrek won't start decomposing until you get the belt.
* If you get Kerrek's belt after getting on fire, the animation of getting the belt won't show you on fire.
*Download the flash file and start a game. At any time type "save". In the save menu, click on the flash player's control tab (next to file and view), and select "play". It loads the archery game and you can get the bow before you are supposed to, plus you can do it over again to get more than the total points.
* In Trogdor's Lair, you will hear a tune. Keep pressing load game and it will keep repeating it and sound weirder each time.

=== Inside References ===
*Sometimes, when you jump in to the hay bale (after being covered with mud), it says you jump in like a "two years old boy". This is a reference to [[Main Page 15]].
* The screen title "River b/w Tree" is a reference to [[Arcade Game]], in which one of the items on Homestar's list is "pork b/w beans". The abbreviation "w/" for "with" is not used, instead it's "b/w" which was used on old vinyl records and singles to refer to the B-side ("b/w" = "backed with"). It was also used in [[Strong Sad's Lament]] as "Arts b/w Crafts".
* If you try to jumping in the left side of the lake, it responds "Not so fast, Swimmer [[Dan]]!".
* When you reach the top of the mountain, it says "Nice jorb climbing the cliff.", which is a reference to [[A Jorb Well Done]], as well as [[Coach Z]]'s accent in general.
* [[Jhonka]] is from the e-mail [[impression]].
* [[Kerrek]] is from the e-mail [[interview]].
* At the bale of hay, if you type "Get hay", it makes another reference to Thy Dungeonman and Thy Dungeonman 2 by saying "Who do you think you are, some kind of Thy Dungeonman?"
**There is another Thy Dungeonman reference if you "look jhonka."
* When you type in "die" it says "That wasn't very smart". This is a reference to Thy Dungeonman, yet again.
* If you type in "get plague" at the burned out tree, the game calls you Mispeller Jones [sic], a reference to the "Interruptor Jones" quip from [[morning routine]].
* If you enter an area with the Kerrek, and you type in "make friends with Kerrek", it says "It didn't work for Strong Bad, and its not gonna work for you" and if you type "buy Kerrek a cold one", it says "The Kerrek is a teetotaller and is offended by your offer. You've really cheesed him off now" and begins charging at you FAST. These are references to the email [[for kids]], in which Strong Bad types in those commands while playing the game.
* After killing the Kerrek the screen says "ARROWED!! Nice shot. You smote the Kerrek! He lay there stinking." 'Arrowed' is a running joke used in [[Teen Girl Squad]] where any word is made into the past tense by adding ed or 'd

=== Real-World References ===
* When you obtain you hay disguise, the game says "now you're a walking bale of hay. Just like that guy from that one show". it could be referring to cousin Itt from The Addams Family, who looked like a walking bale of hay with glasses and a hat.
* If you type LOOK near the hay, it says "It reminds you of a warm, safe place where as a child you'd hide", a reference to "Sweet Child O' Mine" by Guns N' Roses.
* Looking at the rock in the middle of the river gives a reference to "Rock of Ages" by Def Leppard.
* When you scare Gary it says he "broke on through to the other side", a reference to "Break on Through" by the Doors.
* Hugging the tree at the hay bale produces a reference to a well-known Byrds song. However, once you do this you seem to get stuck.
*If you look at the cracked ground it says something about it being a place in which rock stars make amazing guitar solos— a reference to Slash's solo on "November Rain" by Guns N' Roses.
* When you look at the painting in the inn, it says that there are dogs playing "Magic: The Nerdering". This is a reference to the ''Magic: the Gathering'' card game, as well as to the stereotype of ''Magic''-players as being antisocial nerds. The painting itself is a reference to C. M. Coolidge's painting of dogs playing poker, entitled "Looks Like Four of a Kind".
* When you type "break" anything, it says "Violence is not the answer." This is a reference to classic text adventure parsers, which often reply with "Violence is not the solution" if the player enters something of the sort.
* If you try to GET CANDLE after waking up in the Inn, it will say "It looks like you should be able to do that, but you can't." This is a play on the fact that many old games had important items standing out, with brighter colors or a thicker border (making it easier to find the right book in a bookshelf to open a secret passage).
* Starting from the Hidden Glen screen, turn left as you exit through the hole in the fence. This allows you enter the screen "located" above the Hidden Glen, which turns out to be the interior of the Baby Lady Cottage. Entering the cottage in this manner changes the way you interact with your surroundings, allowing you to walk through walls, and even walk an indeterminate distance off the edge of the screen. Possibly this is not an error, but rather a reference to Atari's old Adventure game, in which you could peer off the edge of one screen into another, and enter a secret room which is said to be the first instance of an "Easter egg" in a game.
* When you type "look" and then an object that doesn't really contribute to the game, the message will say "You don't need to look at that." This may be a reference to Space Quest 4 in which it says the exact same thing.
* When trying to 'get' a certain object the game will tell you "No. That doesn't look like it would fit in your pants." There is one other point at which you are told that the main character has stuffed an object into his shorts. These may be references to the point and click puzzle adventure Monkey Island games, in which the main character, Guybrush Threepwood, stuffs any helpful props he can find in his pants.
* When you smite the Kerrek, it'll first say "Here goes, Kid Icarus". This is a reference to a Nintendo game of the same name: Kid Icarus, in which your main weapon is a bow.
* The save screen may be a reference to the old Legend of Zelda games in both format, the addition of hearts through progress, and the addition of artifacts that are added to your body (shield, helmet, sword).
* Typing 'throw baby' at the west screen of the lake gets the message "I guess you misread the walkthrough at GameFAQs..." GameFAQs is a popular gaming website known for its huge number of walkthroughs or FAQs for just about every game there is (including Peasant's Quest).
* Mendelev won't talk to you if you are on his side of the desk when you talk to him. This may be a reference to a shopkeeper in Super Mario RPG: Legend of the Seven Stars, who similarly insisted that you talk to him on the other side of the desk.
* Typing "light lantern" is a reference to the text-based Zork series (themselves based on Crowther and Woods' Adventure game), in which you always carried a Brass Lantern, and which is parodied in Thy Dungeonman.
* The "Disk read error. Please insert floppy disk 2 into Drive B and press enter." message may be a reference to the infamous "stump joke" from ''Secret of Monkey Island'', in which there was a stump in the forest, which when examined said there was a hole leading to a system of catacombs beneath it. However when you tried to use it, it would ask you to insert various disk numbers that didn't come with the game (online references vary, but usually are somewhere around disk 20 to disk 100). After cancelling all these requests the hero would say "I'll just have to skip that part of the game." The joke was not included in the CD-ROM version of the game.
* When you obtain the Kerrek's belt, Rather Dashing holds it over his head in a fashion similar to Link of [[Wikipedia:The Legend of Zelda|The Legend of Zelda]].
* At the bale of hay, type "look tree". It says "[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0074697/ It's Arbor Day, Charlie Brown]", a 1976 Peanuts TV special.
* When you first talk to the knight guarding the mountain pass, he calls you "Dragonheart", a reference to the movie of the same name.
* If you ring the bell in the Inn it says "Instead of ringing or dinging, it just goes 'DUNG.'" This is probably a reference to the Monty Python joke: "What's brown and sounds like a bell? DUNG."
* If you try to get the pebbles but are too far away it says "You try to do your best Mr. Fantastic impression." This is a reference to the Fantastic Four.
* If you go to the screen with "River b/w Tree" and type "look hut" or "look cottage", it says "You see a cottage in the distance. You hold your fingers up to one eye and pretend to squash it." This is a reference to the Head-Crusher sketch on Kids in the Hall.
* If you try to "scare gary" before getting the maskus, two of the three possible responses are references. The first ("You tell Gary the story about the kid who pops this big zit he has and all these baby spiders come out. It doesn't phase him.") is a reference to an urban legend, and the second ("You tell Gary the "THE CALLS ARE COMING FROM INSIDE THE HOUSE!!" one but he doesn't act very scared. He's probably heard it before.") is a reference to the old horror movie 'When a Stranger Calls' (which was then parodied in the movie 'Scream.').
* "Look tree" on the Hidden Glen screen. The result could of course be a reference to any fantasy story with elves, but is likely a reference to the portrayal of Legolas in the recent Lord of the Rings films. Some variation of this phrase was heard to be uttered by fanatics everywhere.
* Trogdor's voice is an old speech synthesizer called the Software Automatic Mouth, or S.A.M. Listen to the simalarities [http://retrobits.net/downloads/sam.mp3 here].
* If you try to give the Jhonka something he'll reply with "Don't need nothing from no filthy peasantses!!" This is a reference to the Lord of the Rings character, Gollum, whom Jhonka somewhat resembles.
* Try drinking anything. You will get a message saying that you don't need to. The message is reminiscent of a scene in the movie Caddyshack involving the Dalai Lama.
* The berries on the bushes are called "Crunch Berries." This is most likely a reference to the cereal of the same name.
* Trying to jump in the hay from far away will cause a reply which includes a usage of the initals MJ. This is a reference to Michael Jordan, a basketball player who had an incredible vertical jump, and was able to dunk the ball from the foul line, which is several feet away.
*Naked Ned popping in and out from the tree is similar to Smoke from Mortal Kombat II in the living forest level, where you would occasionally see him pop out, look, and return behind the tree.

== See Also ==
*[[Peasant's Quest Walkthrough]]
*[[Peasant's Quest Responses]]
*[[Peasant's Quest Preview]] (the game trailer)
*[[Peasant's Quest Movie Trailer]] (the "movie" trailer)

== External Links ==
*Play the [[HR:disk4of12.html|Game]]
*Play the [[HR:peasantsquest61.swf|Game (flash file)]]
*See the [http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=411 forum thread on this game]
*On July 18th, 2005, Peasent's Quest recieved a "Top Dog" award from [http://www.the-underdogs.org/game.php?id=5243|Home of the Underdogs].

[[Category:Peasant's Quest]]

User:James

James — Sat, 29 Jan 2005 01:12:12 GMT

James: /* Fw:Fw:Fw:Re:Re:Fw: Daisy's */

== Greetings ==
Hewwo! I'm James, and I am a Homestar Runner fan. (Crowd: "Hi James...")
I was first introduced to it by a friend, Nathan. He now regrets doing so thoroughly. ;-D
I according to a test, I am most like Homestar Runner, but I like to think my IQ is just a *bit* higher... lol.
...Oh yeah, I was JamesGecko on the old wiki and I'm still JamesGecko on the Wiki Forums.

== Emails I have sent ==

(This is probaly the strangest one yet.)
=== Fw:Fw:Fw:Re:Re:Fw: Daisy's ===
Dear Friend,
The daisy's of the field are so much nicer if you smile at them, 
Life is too small to not chuck your paychecks in the snow.

Now, if you do not forward this email to 13,00 peoples, the
unspeakable fate will fall from the sky.

Faith always, 
The Gecko. 
Lawrenceville, Ga 

=== Sister ===
:Dear Strong Bad,
:One of my friends needs a girlfriend. Do you have a sister?
:- James
:Lawrenceville, Ga

=== Tofu ===
:Dear Strong Bad,
:Please explain the importance of tofu in a balanced diet.
:Your loyal fan,
:James D.
:Lawrenceville, GA

=== Sheep Tipping ===
:Dear Strong Bad,
:As you know, the King of Town has a large flock of sheep. They just stand around all day and eat grass. Why dont you add a little excitement to thier lives by slipping out there and doing some sheep tipping?
:Your fan,
:JamesGecko

== Contact ==
Feel free to drop me a line in my Talk page.
Or, you can visit my blog at http://gecko.f2o.org

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User:James

James — Sat, 29 Jan 2005 01:11:58 GMT

James: /* Fw:Fw:Fw:Re:Re:Fw: Daisy's */

== Greetings ==
Hewwo! I'm James, and I am a Homestar Runner fan. (Crowd: "Hi James...")
I was first introduced to it by a friend, Nathan. He now regrets doing so thoroughly. ;-D
I according to a test, I am most like Homestar Runner, but I like to think my IQ is just a *bit* higher... lol.
...Oh yeah, I was JamesGecko on the old wiki and I'm still JamesGecko on the Wiki Forums.

== Emails I have sent ==

(This is probaly the strangest one yet.)
=== Fw:Fw:Fw:Re:Re:Fw: Daisy's ===
Dear Friend,
The daisy's of the field are so much nicer if you smile at them,
Life is too small to not chuck your paychecks in the snow.

Now, if you do not forward this email to 13,00 peoples, the
unspeakable fate will fall from the sky.

Faith always, 
The Gecko. 
Lawrenceville, Ga 

=== Sister ===
:Dear Strong Bad,
:One of my friends needs a girlfriend. Do you have a sister?
:- James
:Lawrenceville, Ga

=== Tofu ===
:Dear Strong Bad,
:Please explain the importance of tofu in a balanced diet.
:Your loyal fan,
:James D.
:Lawrenceville, GA

=== Sheep Tipping ===
:Dear Strong Bad,
:As you know, the King of Town has a large flock of sheep. They just stand around all day and eat grass. Why dont you add a little excitement to thier lives by slipping out there and doing some sheep tipping?
:Your fan,
:JamesGecko

== Contact ==
Feel free to drop me a line in my Talk page.
Or, you can visit my blog at http://gecko.f2o.org

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User:James

James — Sat, 29 Jan 2005 01:11:09 GMT

James: added new and completely random email

== Greetings ==
Hewwo! I'm James, and I am a Homestar Runner fan. (Crowd: "Hi James...")
I was first introduced to it by a friend, Nathan. He now regrets doing so thoroughly. ;-D
I according to a test, I am most like Homestar Runner, but I like to think my IQ is just a *bit* higher... lol.
...Oh yeah, I was JamesGecko on the old wiki and I'm still JamesGecko on the Wiki Forums.

== Emails I have sent ==

(This is probaly the strangest one yet.)
=== Fw:Fw:Fw:Re:Re:Fw: Daisy's ===
Dear Friend,
The daisy's of the field are so much nicer if you smile at them,
Life is too small to not chuck your paychecks in the snow.

Now, if you do not forward this email to 13,00 peoples, the
unspeakable fate will fall from the sky.

Faith always,
The Gecko.
Lawrenceville, Ga

=== Sister ===
:Dear Strong Bad,
:One of my friends needs a girlfriend. Do you have a sister?
:- James
:Lawrenceville, Ga

=== Tofu ===
:Dear Strong Bad,
:Please explain the importance of tofu in a balanced diet.
:Your loyal fan,
:James D.
:Lawrenceville, GA

=== Sheep Tipping ===
:Dear Strong Bad,
:As you know, the King of Town has a large flock of sheep. They just stand around all day and eat grass. Why dont you add a little excitement to thier lives by slipping out there and doing some sheep tipping?
:Your fan,
:JamesGecko

== Contact ==
Feel free to drop me a line in my Talk page.
Or, you can visit my blog at http://gecko.f2o.org

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part-time job

James — Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:16:52 GMT

James: added link to Mrs. Bennedetto

[[Image:sbemail121.PNG|thumb|Look out for Number 1! ]]

'''Strong Bad Email #121'''

Strong Bad proves he does more than just write e-mails, by showing everyone his part-time job!

'''Cast (In order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]], [[Homestar Runner]], [[The Cheat]], [[Bubs]], [[Coach Z]], [[Pom Pom]], [[Mrs. Bennedetto]]

'''Date:''' January 3rd, 2005

== Transcript ==

''{As usual, Strong Bad is in front of his Lappy, checking his e-mail. Judging from the view of the room we can see around the Lappy, he does not seem to be at his desk, as he usually would be.}''

'''STRONG BAD''': A lot of ladies and a lot of girls... some healthy ladies and some healthy girls!
<pre>subject: besides..
Dear Strongbad,
Do you do anything besides checking e-mails?

Sincerely, Hunter</pre>

'''STRONG BAD''': ''{typing}'' Waudju- gighi- ikuh... What do you mean do I do anything besides checking e-mails. 'Course I freakin' do! I do everything! Always! ''{clears the screen}'' Nature walks, Meet N' Greets, Bus Chucker Club, The League of Me and The Cheat Ice Cream Socials. Shut up! I even have a part-part-part-part-very part-time job, to which I am currently 15 minutes late.

''{Cut to the lower area of Marzipan's kitchen. Strong Bad has apparently been checking this e-mail under Marzipan's kitchen table. Homestar walks in, and is holding a tennis ball.}''

''{Strong Bad looks around in a panicked way.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER''': This is perfect! Just perfect! I couldn't be happier with my new invention! I'll call it... the Super Question Machine!

'''STRONG BAD''': ''{whispering}'' I gotta try to sneak out of here without Homestar noticing me.

''{Homestar sets his "invention" down on the table.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Yeah you do.

'''STRONG BAD:''' I gotta think of some kind of diversion...

''{The Cheat walks in, humming to himself, wearing a top hat entitled "Tito" and a bowtie, and holding a cane. Homestar turns around to look at him. The camera pans left. The Cheat begins doing a dance.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Oh, wow! What a great new invention!

''{Strong Bad crawls out from under the table, and gives The Cheat the thumbs up.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Nice work, The Cheat!

''{He proceeds to crawl away, while The Cheat's still humming.}''

''{Cut to Bubs' empty concession stand.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{quietly while peeking out from the corner}'' This is perfect! Bubs must be passed out on the floor again.

''{Strong Bad disappears behind the screen, and begins walking toward the Stand.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' Comin' in to work on time..

''{Bubs pops up from under the counter. Strong Bad lets out a short yell.}''

'''BUBS:''' Aha!

'''STRONG BAD:''' {''Yells, then stutters a little.''}

'''BUBS:''' Late again, Strong Bad. I'm not running a country club, you know.

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{Quickly}'' But Mr. Bubs, I was just-

'''BUBS:''' ''{Interrupts}'' Wastin' time on that email show of yours again. That mess'll never get you anywhere!

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yes it will! You'll see! I'm gonna be big one day. I'm gonna be a famous email checker.

'''BUBS:''' And I'm gonna be two times two. Now put on your uniform and get to work!

'''STRONG BAD:''' You're gonna be ''what''?

''{The screen fades out and resumes to Strong Bad wearing a combination of a sad clown and a hotdog costume in front of Bubs' stand. Strong Bad is holding a paper, and a stack of papers sits next to him.}''

''The papers all say:''

<pre>GET YOU A FREE CUP OF ICE WITH PURCHASE OF DELUXE CUP OF ICE OF EQUAL OR LESSER VALUE
BUBS' CONSESSION STAND</pre>

'''STRONG BAD:''' That's right! Come on down to Bubs' and get you a free cup of ice with purchase of deluxe cup of ice for equal or lesser value.

'''BUBS:''' No, no. Work it, son, work it!

''{Strong Bad begins dancing and humming.}''

'''BUBS:''' That's it, that's it! Look out for Number 1!

''{Coach Z walks in.}''

'''COACH Z:''' Hey, it's the hot dog clown! What fun!

''{Pom Pom's silhouette merges in.}''

'''COACH Z:''' Pom Pom, take a picture of me with the hot dog clown. It'll be classic!

''{Pom Pom bubbles, and takes out a camera. A huge flash is seen, and a camera shutter sound is heard. Coach Z falls over, leaning on Strong Bad.}

''{The camera zooms in to Bubs.}''

'''BUBS:''' Pictures with the tragic clown dog ain't free! Fifty bucks! Sixty bucks! Get back here and let me confiscate your film.
'' {The camera zooms back out to the four of them.}''

'''COACH Z:''' ''{running}'' Charge, Pom Pom! ''{He and Pom Pom run off screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' It's a great day at Bubs' Concession Stand! Sign up now for giving us money.

'''BUBS:''' Now isn't this better than sitting at your desk answerin' emails?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Actually I was sitting under a kitchen table this week and.. uh oh! The Lappy's probably almost out of juice! I need to get back and end this email! Uhh.. say Bubs, I'm gonna need now off. Is that cool?

'''BUBS:''' Is Strong Sad cool?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh come on.

'''BUBS:''' You know all my policies! I'm not running a country club, you know.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Okay then I quit.

'''BUBS:''' Fine! But don't even think about swiping that costume!

'''STRONG BAD:''' You made me buy this costume, remember?

'''BUBS:''' Oh. Right. Well then pleasure doing business with you.

''{Strong Bad runs off in the costume.}

''{We cut back to the kitchen, where The Cheat has fallen over, still humming, and Homestar is standing over him. Strong Bad crawls back in.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' This is the most amazing undersea epic ever filmed.

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' See, Hunter? I got all types of stuff going on. I've got so many facets, you don't even know what facets are. I'm like a hundredaire socialite out on the sce-

''{The Lappy powers down.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh great. The battery ran out. I gotta figure out a way to end this email.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Yeah you do.

''{Cut to [[Mrs. Bennedetto]]. Strong Bad slaps a paper on it with some text and a picture of him on it.}''

<pre>yeah buddy,
i have muscles!

ps: preeeeow</pre>

''{The Paper DOES NOT come down on its own!}''

== Easter Eggs ==
* Click on "Bus Chucker Club" to see a post-it of Strong Bad's member badge.
* Click on "preeeeow" to make [[The Paper]] come down.
* Click on the microwave's "Broast" button to see "[[Hundredaire Socialite|Hundredaire Socialite magazine]]", featuring "The Brains Behind [[Videlectrix]]".
* Click on the "Power" button to watch an extra scene with Strong Bad and Bubs.

=== Easter Egg Transcript ===
''{Cut to Bubs on the Stage from [[A Decemberween Pageant]]. We see a pamphlet:}''
<pre> T H E A T E R
Dreamaway
Johnny

A Sweet 3-Acter
Directed by Strong Bad
Starring:
Strong Bad and Buh-hubs, man</pre>

''{The pamphlet zooms out. We see Bubs is standing in front of a cut-out of his stand reading MR LEGARM'S Bubs Stand. Strong Bad walks in.}''

'''BUBS AS MR. LEGARM:''' Well look who decided to show up. Fifth time this week, Johnny.

'''STRONG BAD AS JOHNNY:''' Oh I'm sorry Mr. Legarm. Honest I am! I just-

'''MR. LEGARM:''' ''{interrupting}'' You just what? Lost track of time?

'''JOHNNY:''' Yes sir. Only I wouldn't have to worry about that if I could just get the Johnny-Tron working.

'''MR. LEGARM:''' You still wastin' time workin' on that time machine, Johnny? That's a pipe dream, son! Your future's here at the shop. Now sweep up! I got customers to tend to.

'''JOHNNY:''' You'll see. Someday... someday...

''{Music starts, and a spotlight goes over to Strong Bad.}''

'''JOHNNY:''' ''{singing}'' When all my dreams come.. truuuuuuuuue.

''{Upon singing the word "true", Strong Bad is somehow able to sing an entire harmony. The audience claps; the curtain closes.}''

== Fun Facts ==
* There are two theories on the names of buttons on Homestar's microwave oven. One is that broasting is a style of cooking popular in the American Midwest. A [http://www.broaster.com Broaster] is basically a pressure deepfryer for cooking battered chicken. The other is that 'Broast' and 'Boil' are a play on the 'Roast' and 'Broil' buttons that exist in some ovens.
*The "Hundredaire Socialite magazine" easter egg features the familiar faces of [[The Brothers Chaps|Mike and Matt Chapman]]; the photo is from [[Peasant's Quest Preview]].
*The clock on Mrs. Bennedetto is stuck on 9:48.
*The Cheat wearing the top hat may be a reference to [[theme park]]
===Other things of interest ===
*Bubs has apparently discontinued his "free weekly spamvertisements" from [[unused emails]], from which Strong Bad was making $1250 (5000 emails x a quarter each) every time he sold a disk of addresses.
*Notice Bubs' promotion is the opposite of what would be sensible: You get can get two cups of ice while paying only for the one that costs less or the same. This is the same kind of logic which allows [[The King of Town]] to have "earned a free combo meal by purchasing one of equal or lesser value".
*You can still make the circles appear on the LCD screen when the power shuts off.
*You can keep clicking on "preeow" to make the Paper come down again and again.
*"What do you mean do I do anything besides checking e-mails" is a question and Strong Bad didn't use a question mark. (Which frankly is pretty disappointing, considering the vocal work done on the grammar songs in [[local news]].)
*"Hundredaire" was also used in the email "[[suntan]]"
* "preeeeow" is what Strong Bad says in [[autobiography]] and [[haircut]], when attempting to prompt the printer to print out [[The Paper]].
*The confused sounds Strong Bad makes at the beginning of the cartoon are almost identical to the ones he utters near the end of [[Everybody to the Limit]]
*This email is the first to show the back of the Lappy. It is the 3rd time Strong Bad has checked his email in an unusual place; he has also checked his e-mail on Pom-Pom's Pom Pilot in [[the bird]] and later on The Cheat's iMac in [[weird dream]].
*The way Bubs' name is spelled in the program (Buh-hubs) is a reference to [[lunch special]], when Strong Bad had Bubs say his name slowly into a mirror.
**It could also be a reference to [[big white face]], because that's what Strong Bad typed into the Compy 386 when bringing up Bubs' picture.
*The "Johnny-Tron" time machine mentioned in the Easter Egg might be a reference to the "Chron-o-John" used in the LucasArts computer game "Day of the Tentacle". (The "Chron-o-John" was a time machine that looked suspiciously like an outhouse.)
*When Strong Bad says "I've got so many facets, you don't even know what facets are," he is referring to his description of Senor Cardgage in the email [[kind of cool]].

== Glitches ==
* After watching the "Power easter egg," the paper comes down even though you haven't clicked on preeeow.
*When you view the "Broast easter egg," you can still press the preeeow button

== External Links ==
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail121.html view "part-time job"] 
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail121.swf view the flash file for "part-time job"]
*[http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=1652 forum thread re: part-time job]
{{Strong Bad Email}}
[[Category:Lappy 486 Emails]][[Category:Homestar Runner Filmography]][[Category:Strong Bad Filmography]][[Category:The Cheat Filmography]][[Category:Coach Z Filmography]][[Category:Bubs Filmography]][[Category:Pom Pom Filmography]]

User:James

James — Wed, 05 Jan 2005 19:11:08 GMT

James:

== Greetings ==
Hewwo! I'm James, and I am a Homestar Runner fan. (Crowd: "Hi James...")
I was first introduced to it by a friend, Nathan. He now regrets doing so thoroughly. ;-D
I according to a test, I am most like Homestar Runner, but I like to think my IQ is just a *bit* higher... lol.
...Oh yeah, I was JamesGecko on the old wiki and I'm still JamesGecko on the Wiki Forums.

== Emails I have sent ==

=== Sister ===
:Dear Strong Bad,
:One of my friends needs a girlfriend. Do you have a sister?
:- James
:Lawrenceville, Ga

=== Tofu ===
:Dear Strong Bad,
:Please explain the importance of tofu in a balanced diet.
:Your loyal fan,
:James D.
:Lawrenceville, GA

=== Sheep Tipping ===
:Dear Strong Bad,
:As you know, the King of Town has a large flock of sheep. They just stand around all day and eat grass. Why dont you add a little excitement to thier lives by slipping out there and doing some sheep tipping?
:Your fan,
:JamesGecko

== Contact ==
Feel free to drop me a line in my Talk page.
Or, you can visit my blog at http://gecko.f2o.org

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User:James

James — Tue, 30 Nov 2004 23:21:11 GMT

James: made my page pretty

{| cellspacing="3"
|- valign="top"
|width="50%" class="MainPageRedBox" style="border: 1px solid #ffc9c9; padding: .5em 1em 1em; color: #000000; background-color: #fff3f3"|
== Greetings ==
Hewwo! I'm James, and I am a Homestar Runner fan. (Crowd: "Hi James...")
I was first introduced to it by a friend, Nathan. He now regrets doing so thoroughly. ;-D
I according to a test, I am most like Homestar Runner, but I like to think my IQ is just a *bit* higher... lol.
...Oh yeah, I was JamesGecko on the old wiki and I'm still JamesGecko on the Wiki Forums.

== Emails I have sent ==

=== Sister ===
:Dear Strong Bad,
:One of my friends needs a girlfriend. Do you have a sister?
:- James
:Lawrenceville, Ga

=== Tofu ===
:Dear Strong Bad,
:Please explain the importance of tofu in a balanced diet.
:Your loyal fan,
:James D.
:Lawrenceville, GA

=== Sheep Tipping ===
:Dear Strong Bad,
:As you know, the King of Town has a large flock of sheep. They just stand around all day and eat grass. Why dont you add a little excitement to thier lives by slipping out there and doing some sheep tipping?
:Your fan,
:JamesGecko

== Contact ==
Feel free to drop me a line in my Talk page.
Or, you can visit my blog at http://gecko.f2o.org

[http://www.spreadfirefox.com http://www.spreadfirefox.com/community/images/affiliates/Buttons/80x15/firefox_80x15.png]

User talk:Your Fuzzy God

James — Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:09:31 GMT

James: fixed paragraph

Hey,

I talked to Joey Day, who made the banners on the old wiki, and he said the font he used was called "Bauhaus 93". He said the original font that TBC used is called "Bauhaus", but he’s not sure if it's free or not.

Hope this helps!
--[[User:James|James]] 12:08, 30 Nov 2004 (MST)

User talk:Your Fuzzy God

James — Tue, 30 Nov 2004 19:08:56 GMT

James: added response

Hey,
I talked to Joey Day, who made the banners on the old wiki, and he said the font he used was called "Bauhaus 93". He said the original font that TBC used is called "Bauhaus", but he’s not sure if it's free or not.
Hope this helps!
--[[User:James|James]] 12:08, 30 Nov 2004 (MST)

Talk:Main Page

James — Tue, 23 Nov 2004 19:47:11 GMT

James: /* Other New Format comments */

== Links to toons/pages ==

''This has been refactored.'' There was some discussion about whether "External Links" should go at the top or bottom of the page. A few people liked having them at the top for easy access to H*R.com, but it was eventually decided that they should go at the bottom, following Wikipedia's example.

== Screenshots ==
''This has been refactored.'' It would be nice if we could figure out how to make the screenshots on toon/email pages into thumbnails. This would get them out of the way so that content isn't pushed too far down the page. We need (read: Joey needs) to talk to our host about getting Image::Magick installed on the server before that will be possible.

== Upload file ==
''This has been refactored.'' There is some concern that some members of our community (or outsiders for that matter) will upload unnecessary or innappropriate images. It was decided that they could link to them just as easily as they could download them, and it's better for the images to be hosted here than free sites that may be unstable. Bandwidth is not really an issue, though it probably would spike if we allowed uploads (and consequently a lot of image downloads) from our server. There are a number of special pages we can use to monitor uploads so they will not get out of hand: [[Special:Imagelist]], [[Special:Unusedimages]].
:Is there any way to make GIF an allowed format? I don't like GIF any more than the next guy, but it's useful sometimes. For example, the 'tear' icon from [[Strong Sad's Lament]] is an animated GIF, and I'd like to upload it for posterity (since the Lydia one fell off the face of the Earth).

::We can't upload GIF's? I had no idea. I'll look into it. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 08:54, 26 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Adding the rest of the stuff ==
Okay, I did a few tweaks on AgentSeethroo's addition. We have to figure out a few things:
#How to list the Characters on the [[Characters]] page. I know the few characters we have setup now were done with categories. I don't know how we are going to get them all (secondary etc.) on one page.
#I indented the 3 Features. They are under Toons, but I know they deserve a spot on the Main Menu... any other suggestions on how to do that?
#Rejects/Everything Else - what to call the page. Or even if we need that page. Should we just list everything on the Characters page under several headings? And we have to figure out what the categories are going to be.
Ideas everyone? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:10, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay...
#I'm not a huge fan of the Character page on the old wiki, but we may have to do something similar due to the amount of character "aliases" or whatever...I'll have to think about that for a little bit.
#I think the indention is okay, but it's the only thing on the page that's indented. It makes it look kinda wierd. I also thought the [[Features]] link was gonna get ditched from the main page? Maybe I got lost sometime...
#This is gonna take some discussion I think. I think it should go byebye, and if anyone makes ANY pages that could be deemed NOT canon or not very important, like ANYTHING in rejects, it goes under the category of Misc. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 09:55, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Yeah, we need to get Joey in on this discussion. I know he had some great ideas that seem to escape me at the moment. And you are right about the indent. But maybe we could have other indents?

Some of these pages are pretty big. I know that games page might work as two pages. Then an "Old Games" page could be indented underneath or something. Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:39, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::I think that characters can be broken down, as well as games. Maybe even places...maybe...
But I don't wanna randomly start indenting and cluttering things up, either... Joey? -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 12:14, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hm. Does ''every'' character have to go on the Characters page? I think rejected characters shouldn't even show up on the Characters page. If they are linked to from the toons/emails they appear in, or if someone references them in comments, then that's fine. The pages for Rejects should be created, but they need to be designated as stubs. Or, perhaps we can have a "Disputed Characters" category (or whatever name was decided on in that poll a while back, and then create a "Disputed Characters" template that says something like, "The validity of this character is in question. If you feel that this character should be considered for placement within the 'Characters' category, discuss it on the talk page." --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::I agree. Keep them off the Characters page, and create a category for them at most. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:07, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::::Yeah, keep them off the Characters page. But okay then, we need to set up a good system of rules to determine what's going to go in that category/on that page, and say... what's an Inside Joke. And I like the template idea. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:19, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::::And quit asking for my input. I trust you guys. Do what you feel is proper. As for the "features" link, it should go. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:43, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Sketchbook? ==
I just had a thought...should we have the [[Sketchbook]] here on the main page, since it's being updated weekly (or so), or will it only be in the museum?

:That's a good question. We were behind a few weeks when they started doing the Weekly Fanstuff, because we didn't know they weren't going to archive it. I say as long as we have it somewhere and record it for now, we're good either way. If it becomes as regular as Weekly Fanstuff or the Quote of the Week, then we can add it to a more prominent place. I guess. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:13, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:: I do'd it anyway! HA! How's it look? Someone was keepin' up with it already, so I just moverized it.-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:41, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Wiki Stuff ==
Okay, now that that's kinda settled...How are we gonna format the WikiStuff section of the main page? I know not everything will be included in this new wiki, but some stuff needs a place, like HelpDesk and WikiSandbox and whatnot. Do we just follow the same formatting as the old wiki, even though it may be like 5 links and that's it? Is it possible to make a sidebar links thingy that'd show up on every page? That'd be awesome, and it'd set us apart a little more.
Also, half of the pages that we linked on the main page make me wanna barf. I wonder why we never looked these things over periodically? I mean the downloads page, on a scale of 1 to 10 is horrible.5. There's gonna have to be some major overhauling of most those pages to make them look WAY more professional. I'd like to make this a site that TBC can NOT ignore, ya know?
-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:58, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Ah, very good questions. MediaWiki has these things called "[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace Namespace]s". For example the "Category:" part of the link puts the page in the "Category" namespace. Our Wiki's namespace for pages like the sandbox and stuff would go under "Homestar Runner Wiki:" just like the [[Homestar Runner Wiki:General disclaimer]] and [[Homestar Runner Wiki:FAQ]] pages. The HelpDesk is in the "Help:" namespace. See [[Help:Contents]]. Also, a lot of that is under the "Special:" namespace: [[Special:Allpages|Allpages]], [[Special:Listusers|Listusers]], [[Special:Ipblocklist|Ipblocklist]], and so on. We can put stuff over there on the sidebar too. And yes, some of those pages are totally "barf" as you say. I couldn't agree with you more. Maybe someone else has some suggestions on all this... Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:29, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ==
The Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ''really'' needs to be shortened to just HRWiki. Sewiously. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 01:16, 14 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Any idea how I do that? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:04, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. I think I've made the change, but things are still pointing to the wrong places. Check out the "Search" page. The namespace is called the right thing there. However, the "About" and "Disclaimers" pages still point to "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:About" and "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:General_Disclaimer". I'm also looking into changing the name of "Current events" to "H*R.com updates" and making the "Community portal" link a "WikiForum" link instead. On a related note, I found a really useful page for the admins: [[Special:Allmessages]]. This lets us change all of the various system messages. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, I'm a confused kid right now. I've edited at least three of the system messages, but they aren't changing. I've changed them from the [[Special:Allmessages]] page and directly in the Languages.php file. What the heck am I doing wrong?? Specifically, I'm talking about the "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning" pages. Here's where I learned about this: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_namespace. Help! --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:47, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::Okay, our case-change stuff messed up more than I thought it would. Apparently, while I was editing "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning", I should've been editing "Portal", "Portal-url", and "Copyrightwarning". I wonder if there's some way we can limit our case-change stuff to just the HRWiki namespace. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hmm, now the WikiForum link links to a Wiki page called "http://forum..." Hrm.

== Let's Open 'er Up ==
So, lately I've had this horribly sick feeling that things have gone all wrong. This wiki is a community, and therefore a project like this should be done as a community. What we should do, above anything, is get things ready to be opened up. I'd like to see our community finish moving emails, toons, and characters (maybe I'm just lazy, but I really do feel that this is a matter of principle).

I know some of you might be freaking out and thinking that we can't trust our users to move stuff the right way, but think about this: This community has worked so far precisely because we have given everyone the freedom to edit any document. This is the wiki way! If we don't trust our community to get things right, why is this even a wiki in the first place? We might as well just have a normal website maintained by the dozen of us that are working on this migration right now.

So, what we really need to do is all the stuff that's necessary for this place to be operational. We need to build the documentation, make sure all the namespaces and options are set up the way we want them, etc. What do you guys think of this? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:31, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay, this is a little scary. I think for the mostpart, you're right, but we still have to issue of page load. If we open up both the old wiki and the new wiki to everybody, things are going to slow to a crawl again. Can you think of any solution to this? Also, I'm afraid we'll have tons of collision problems with lots of people working on the same documents at the same time. And a lot of people are going to try to copy-and-past things the lazy way, without taking the time to fix links, etc. I agree that this should be a community effort, but I think we have to resolve those issues first. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::I know you guys know I'm against opening it up. We don't even have any of our help page written yet. Or have the copyrights worked out: we have one place that says GNU and one place that says CC. And Jones is right about that page load. and the everyone doing everything at once thing. Just some more stuff to think about.
::As to the problem Joey's dealing with: our not giving everyone the freedom to edit... I think that would create more problems. Joey's right, giving everyone editing rights makes the wiki better, but that happens over a longer period of time. Right now we have to think on the short term. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::I agree with the Tom and Jones. This place is still a wiki, people will still be able to edit it when it opens up. Lettin' everyone on right now, even to help, would be kinda like lettin' a bunch of kids into an amusement park before it's finished and saying "You have to help us finish, though." There. My two cents. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 08:34, 31 Aug 2004 (MST)

== CSS Tweaks ==
Joey, could you increase the paragraph (P tags) spacing in the CSS? It's a little difficult to make out paragraph boundaries right now. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Working on it... --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Done. Sorry it took me so long. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Case issues ==
I just noticed something that might be an issue. Since we made case matter (for the emails), we now have the issue of [[Ballad of the Sneak]] and [[Ballad of The Sneak]] (and every other case variation) being two completely distinct pages. Is this going to be a problem? -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:39, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:This is already a problem on Wikipedia for any word after the first word. For instance, try looking up "George bush". We'll (and when I say we, I'm talking about the whole community, not just us admins) just have to pay close attention and create redirects where necessary -- at least until all the links can be fixed. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:56, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Okay, "George bush" is a bad example because there's already a redirect. Try "Greek orthodox". --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:57, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, no probalo. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]

::::Yeah, we have this issue with [[The Paper]] and [[The paper]]. I think Joey did the redirect for that. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Flash file links ==
Okay, so this has kinda been buggin' me for a while. Whoever first called it "watch this video in fullscreen" obviously had no idea they were linking to the actual raw flash file. Since then, we've continued to call it "watch this video in fullscreen". Can we change it to "download the flash file of this video", or something more meaningful? What do you think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:34, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Hm, I guess you're right. Though I wish you'd mentioned it before I did all the toons. :D Anyway, "download" isn't quite the right term, since it'll just play in most people's browsers. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:52, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. It downloads in Firefox, but I guess that's probably a preference setting. "view the flash file"? "watch the flash file"? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::"view the Flash file" seems good to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 11:32, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::We could use a template, like: <nowiki>[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail50.swf Download the Flash file] {{swf}}</nowiki>, and the <nowiki>{{swf}}</nowiki> prints a small boilerplate saying it may download the Flash file or it may instead view it in "fullscreen". - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 13:48, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Convertulator suggestions ==

StrongBadEmail should be automagically changed to [[Strong Bad Email]]. Anyplace where StrongBadEmail/ appears, it should be removed, so [[StrongBadEmail/flashback]] automagically becomes [[flashback]]. Only problem would be links like this: [[StrongBadEmail/flashback|flashback]]. They would turn out like this: [[flashback|flashback]], which I suppose isn't a big deal, but it's unnecessary bloat. We'll just have to watch for those. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:39, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've implemented your suggestions. However, I did find one small bug. If you have a (()) Wiki link that itself is in parentheses, e.g. "(((Some Page)) here)", the Convertulator will convert the first pair of parentheses, yielding <nowiki>[[(Some Page]] here)</nowiki>. There's no easy fix for this, so unfortunately we'll just have to just be on the lookout for it. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 14:17, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Characters featured ==

While adding Filmography categories, I noticed something. The featured characters lists don't seem to be in any particular order. I've been alphabetizing for the filmography categories, but I think the "Featured:" list should be in order of appearance. Maybe it should say...

'''Cast (in order of appearance): [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]], [[Homsar (character)|Homsar]]'''

What do you guys think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:53, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've always tried to do them in order of appearance. Seems like a good standard to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:54, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Navigation links on left ==

Two, maybe three of the nav links on the left have odd tooltips.

*'''Main Page''' - Visit the main page [alt-z]
**This is fine.
*'''Strong Bad Email''' - About the project, what you can do, where to find things
**Obviously this isn't what it is at all.
*'''H*R.com updates''' - Find background information on current events
**And nor is this ''really''.
*'''Recent changes''' - The list of recent changes in the wiki. [alt-r]
**Also fine.
*'''Random page''' - Load a random page. [alt-x]
**Also fine.
*'''Help''' - The place to find out.
**Slightly odd?

Also, we probably ought to have shortcuts for everything or nothing.

:Very good catch. I didn't even notice that the alt text was still set for the default links that used to be there. We also need to get the external links to the WikiForum and the WikiChat there as well. Thanks for the heads up, "84.9.23.83". -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:34, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

:You're welcome! I've got myself a proper account now. - [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 11:00, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Inside jokes ==

Why are [[Inside Jokes]] classified as "wiki stuff"? They are part of the content of H*R, and do not refer to the workings of the wiki. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 00:31, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I guess [[Rejects]] are in that same catagory. Plus things like the glossary just kind of float somewhere in between. I think some reformatting of the section definitions are in order, as long as the Main Page is recieving an overhaul. Any additional design suggestions? -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:35, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I was just doing some more thinking, and what about having the Knowledge Base contain ONLY the things listed on the H*R main page(s), and put everything left over into Wiki Stuff. Basically it would look something like this, and would have the added bonus of evening the two sections out, leaving External Links on the bottom...

* [[Toons]]
** [[Strong Bad Email]]
** [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]
** [[Teen Girl Squad]]
** [[Powered By The Cheat]]
** [[Puppet Stuff]]
** [[Holiday Toons]]
* [[Games]]
* [[Characters]]
* [[Downloads]]
* [[Store]]
* [[Email]]
* [[Legal]]
* [[Main Pages]]
** [[Weekly Fanstuff]]
** [[Quote of the Week]]
** [[Sketchbook]]
* [[Museum]]
* [[Secret Pages]]

Then this to the right of it: (Perhaps the first part in an additional section)

* [[Places]]
* [[Items]]
* [[Songs]]
* [[Quotes]]
* [[Glossary]]
* [[Inside Jokes]]
* [[Rejects]]
(Perhaps another section here?)
* [[Special:Listusers|List of registered wiki users]]
* [[Links]]
* [[Sightings]]
* [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]]
* [[HRWiki:Ledger|Ledger]]
* [[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]]
* [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]
* [[WikiTroll]]
* [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]]

Then the external links in another catergory. Does anyone like this idea? I think it draws a clearer distinction between things organized by the site, and additional Knowledge sorted by the Wiki. I think a clearer illustration would be that the Knowlege base is simply the 10 vegetables, and the Wiki Stuff is all the different salads they can be made into. Does anyone understand this very abstract illustration? As of now there is no clear line drawn, and many pages float in between. At the very least pages like [[Inside Jokes]] and [[Songs]] seem to be in the same catergory and in my opinion should be sorted accordingly. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:48, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

The Wiki Stuff should be for all the internal housekeeping pages like help pages, list of Trolls, ongoing projects and the like. The material that branches out from the core H*R content like [[Sightings]] can be grouped together, but they are not Wiki specific things. -[[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 12:44, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Then what about renaming the section, or even adding a seperate section? Perhaps name that one something like... 'Base Knowledge', and the other one like 'Secondary Knowledge', or something like that. Then have Wiki Troll, Ledger, Ect. under 'Wiki Stuff'. Or move EVERYTHING H*R related to Knowlege base, including Inside Jokes, ect, but that would make the menu look very offset... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 12:58, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Does anybody have an opinion about my idea? I think it's a good layout... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 22:56, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

== New Format = <strike>Banners</strike>? ==

I like the new format, it does make the title screen smaller, and more... colorful, I guess, but what happened to those cool banners? Any way to incorporate them into the design at the tops of the boxes? They really gave the main page a distinct look, and I would like to see them live again. If they don't fit, could whoever made them maybe remake one or two for a custom fit? I dunno, just a suggestion. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:28, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also as long as we're on the topic of the new format, what about moving the External Links to below the Wiki Stuff section? There's alot of unused space there. Might even get the page to one screen, without scrolling. Plus should anyone put the explanations of the links back? There seems to be a lack of explanations, only half the links have them. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:32, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Ah ha. I uploaded the banners to [[:Image:officialsite-banner.png]], [[:Image:wikipages-banner.png]], and [[:Image:externallinks-banner.png]]. I'm hoping that someone will come up with something similar that will work with this format. I'm thinking the width should be limited to around 100px.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:16, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I don't see what was wrong with a lil' scrolling. I'm taking this very harshly. It was my only reminder of the old wiki. --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 14:08, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:It reminds me a lot of Wikipedia. Maybe to much. I'm thinkin' we need something to "liven" the page up a bit, maybe like an official "Homestar Runner Wiki" banner across the top of the page. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

== Other New Format comments ==

Oh, god, I looked at the new format and I almost lost my lunch. It's so ugly! I really think the old banners should be back! Is there a way we can get them back?

[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 17:04, 17 Nov 2004

I agree, the Banners are needed. Any way to put them along the tops of the colored boxes, even custom stretching them to fit? I think that would look rather good. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 16:33, 17 Nov 2004 (

:It's not that big of a deal. If you puked over this, I'd hate to ride a Tilt-A-Whirl with you. Get over it. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::I'm starting to notice a pattern of people percieving improvements as being evil here, first with the switchover from Tavi to this, then the reformatting of the front page. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 02:53, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::If there's one thing that never changes, it's that people are afraid of change, no matter how much it improves their lives. Never try to give your grandma a new TV. Anyway, the banners aren't gone for good. The ones we were using just don't fit in the new layout. And just so we're clear: messing about with the front page just because you "liked it better before" is trolling and will be handled as such. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

::uh, how does this change improve my life? I guess the layout is more functional, but as for improvement, I don't think it really adds anything to the site.

::: I agree. It looks more crowded and ugly. Needs more color, like the homestar runner website. Keeping the new layout is fine, we just need smaller banners. (Btw, why is keeping the old layout trolling, yet putting up a worse layout not? I agree with your point, I just find that statement a very harsh thing that goes agenst the wiki spirit.) Also, this layout looks like crap at 800x600 --[[User:James|James]] 13:52, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)
::::The reason reverting to the old layout is trolling is quite simple: Tom (one of the mods) is the one that did the redesign, and since the mods have the most say in how the Wiki is set up, they have authority. Changing it back because you don't like this new version, therefore, is showing contempt for the mods and so on and so forth. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 14:58, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::::What about coming up with a better design that everyone likes? Is this ok? --[[User:James|James]] 18:22, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::Can't we settle this with a vote? --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 18:17, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::I don't know. Whichever wins, a whole mess of people would be mad. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::Afraid of change, no. Liked the banners, yes. :( --[[User:Southpaw018|Southpaw018]] 21:47, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::The banners were awesome and the new design is awful. I downloaded the banners (thanks Tom) and I am willing to make new ones (that's part of what I do for a living). I will make a couple and see what everyone thinks.-[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]

::I'll help if you need it. I made the origenal banners that started this whole thing off anyway. :-) --[[User:James|James]] 14:46, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::DONE! Here is one --> [[:Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]. I kept the theme of the old banners. If there are any changes you would like to see, tell me. Let me know if you want to use these and I will make the other two.-[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]

:::Thats a little small, ain't it? what about something 200 pixels wide? --[[User:James|James]] 18:33, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::[[Image:knowledgebase-banner-200px.png]] {200 x 50 px} [[Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]{100 x 50 px} -[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]
:::: That looks great! Could you make the other two sctions also? The "External Links" one might have to be larger, as that section goes all the way across the bottom of the page. --[[User:James|James]] 12:47, 23 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also, it is really annoying that the "knowledge base" frame is about 10% bigger than the "Wiki Stuff" frame. Why is this?-[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]

::Yes! I've been noticing this and it's driving me up the wall. If anything, the "Wiki stuff" frame should be bigger simply because there is more text that wraps on it. Having it smaller then "Knowledge base" is retarded, mostly since the "Knowledge base" frame has very little text that extends all the way to the border. --[[User:James|James]] 18:21, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

I just did a quick preview of the main page with equal frames and it looks so much better then when it's 10% off. Theres absolutely no reason I see for the 10% diffrence. Or is there something I'm missing? --[[User:James|James]] 18:26, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::Hi James. I'm glad you are thinking of changes for the Main Page. However, I'd like to ask that you refrain from using words such as "retarded" as this can be offensive to developmentally disabled people.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:04, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::::Ok. Sorry. --[[User:James|James]] 17:09, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

Strong Bad Email

James — Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:12:30 GMT

James: ammendment

[[Image:sbemail.png|right|thumb|200px|Strong Bad checks his email.]]

[[Strong Bad]]'s emails are the most updated feature of the Homestar Runner website. Most of the inside jokes on the website (e.g., the [[Floppy Disk Container]]) come from here. A few characters were even created here!

== Note ==
Since Strong Bad's computer was shotgunned, A new email selection menu has replaced the old one. The new menu has a rather large bug. If you click an email title, you will go to the email below it. Thus, this wiki and the Updates button at the main menu are now only ways to see the "Virus" email. On the bright side, if you wait at the new menu, you can see a short toon.

== The Strong Bad Emails ==
*[[Strong Bad Email By Name]]
*[[Strong Bad Email By Place]]
<table width="100%">
<td width="33%" valign="top">
118. [[virus]] 
117. [[montage]] 
116. [[extra plug]] 
115. [[time capsule]] 
114. [[the facts]] 
113. [[pizzaz]] 
112. [[old comics]] 
111. [[other days]] 
110. [[for kids]] 
109. [[crying]] 
108. [[pom pom]] 
107. [[cheatday]] 
106. [[dangeresque 3]] 
105. [[replacement]] 
104. [[theme park]] 
103. [[haircut]] 
102. [[lunch special]] 
101. [[car]] 
100. [[flashback]] 
99. [[different town]] 
98. [[stupid stuff]] 
97. [[monument]] 
96. [[lackey]] 
95. [[the bet]] 
94. [[video games]] 
93. [[army]] 
92. [[kind of cool]] 
91. [[caffeine]] 
90. [[colonization]] 
89. [[local news]] 
88. [[couch patch]] 
87. [[mile]] 
86. [[no loafing]] 
85. [[2 years]] 
84. [[kids' book]] 
83. [[labor day]] 
82. [[impression]] 
81. [[date]] 
80. [[stunt double]] 
79. [[the process]]
<td width="33%" valign="top">
78. [[anything]] 
77. [[suntan]] 
76. [[sibbie]] 
75. [[funny]] 
74. [[privileges]] 
73. [[mascot]] 
72. [[crazy cartoon]] 
71. [[2 emails]] 
70. [[big white face]] 
69. [[personal favorites]] 
68. [[caper]] 
67. [[autobiography]] 
66. [[the show]] 
65. [[unused emails]] 
64. [[english paper]] 
63. [[fingers]] 
62. [[interview]] 
61. [[monster truck]] 
60. [[huttah!]] 
59. [[marzipan (email)|marzipan]] 
58. [[dragon]] 
57. [[japanese cartoon]] 
56. [[current status]] 
55. [[cheat talk]] 
54. [[morning routine]] 
53. [[comic]] 
52. [[island]] 
51. [[website]] 
50. [[50 emails]] 
49. [[theme party]] 
48. [[ghosts]] 
47. [[new hands]] 
46. [[your friends]] 
45. [[techno]] 
44. [[lures & jigs]] 
43. [[little questions]] 
42. [[action figure]] 
41. [[invisibility]] 
40. [[vacation]]
</td><td width="33%" valign="top">
39. [[property of ones]] 
38. [[helium]] 
37. [[dullard]] 
36. [[guitar]] 
35. [[sisters]] 
34. [[weird dream]] 
33. [[gimmicks]] 
32. [[flag day]] 
31. [[sugarbob]] 
30. [[12:00]] 
29. [[superhero name]] 
28. [[1 step ahead]] 
27. [[3 Wishes]] 
26. [[CGNU]] 
25. [[super powers]] 
24. [[the bird]] 
23. [[little animal]] 
22. [[sb_email 22]] 
21. [[cartoon]] 
20. [[spring cleaning]] 
19. [[tape-leg]] 
18. [[stand-up]] 
17. [[studying]] 
16. [[band names]] 
15. [[the basics]] 
14. [[duck pond]] 
13. [[i she be]] 
12. [[credit card]] 
11. [[i rule]] 
10. [[trevor the vampire]] 
9. [[i love you]] 
8. [[brianrietta]] 
7. [[halloweener]] 
6. [[depressio]] 
5. [[making out]] 
4. [[homestar hair]] 
3. [[butt IQ]] 
2. [[homsar (email)|homsar]] 
1. [[some kinda robot]]
</td>
</table>

== Not Quite Strong Bad Emails ==
The following shorts were originally associated in one way or another with the Strong Bad Emails. They are numbered by halves to show where they appeared chronologically in the list above. Number 99½ is not linked to from anywhere on the site, while the others do appear on the Shorts menu in the [[Toons]] section.

118½. [[Strong Bad Email?]] 
99½. [[Not the 100th Email!!!]] 
68½. [[Lookin at a Thing in a Bag]] 
66½. [[Arcade Game]]

== DVD Emails ==
The following emails only appear on the [[strongbad_email.exe]] DVD set.

[[Greeting Cards]] 
[[E-mail Birds]] 
[[Videro Games]]

== Strong Bad Email Raps ==
The rap is the ditty Strong Bad does on the E-mail menu page.

===Current Email Rap===

* S to the C, R O double L! My name is not Norman, but still I rock well!

===Previous Raps===

(The raps are collected on [[strongbad_email.exe]].)

* Huzzah, on the mic I'm droppin' scrollable science, and I'm scrollin' through the 'hood with my e-mail clients. Huzzah!
* Hold it. Control it. And buttons, come on, let's see you scroll it!

(On June 22, 2004 a click-and-drag scroll bar was added to this edition of the e-mail menu page.)

* Dear scroll buttons, let's not mince words. I love you guys! [http://e2tl.playvectrex.com/jingles/sbemail_menu100.swf Listen] 
* I keep my buttons on scroll and all the ladies in check, did you find the spare key to my apartment yet? What!? (sounds like Wuh!) [http://e2tl.playvectrex.com/jingles/sbemail_menu95.swf Listen] 
* The scroll, the scroll, the buttons, the buttons, scrolling so smooth like the butter on a muffin. [http://e2tl.playvectrex.com/jingles/sbemail_menu90.swf Listen] 
* Chew-it chew-it scroll buttons! Chew-it chew-it rock on! I got scroll buttons like the day is long! I got scroll buttons like the day is long! [http://e2tl.playvectrex.com/jingles/sbemail_menu84_TGS4.swf Listen] 

(Around mid-2003, "updated mondays" was replaced with "updated somedays.")

* Scroll button, scroll button, one two, one two, and if you swing by my crib then I can scroll with you! [http://e2tl.playvectrex.com/jingles/sbemail_menu80_3.swf Listen] 
* '''Coach Z''': And if you're tryin' to fade me then ya must smoke crack. '''Strong Bad''': Scroll buttons, oh yeah, like that heart attack. [http://e2tl.playvectrex.com/jingles/sbemail_menu80_1.swf Listen] 
* Once again it comes scrollin' back, scroll buttons get ill like a heart attack! [http://e2tl.playvectrex.com/jingles/sbemail_menu69.swf Listen] 
* Scroll it out, just scroll it out, scroll buttons 2.0. [http://e2tl.playvectrex.com/jingles/sbemail_menu59.swf Listen] 
* Scroll-a buh-tone-es! [http://e2tl.playvectrex.com/jingles/sbemail_menu58.swf Listen] 
* Keep on scrollin' on, my scriggities. 
* 'Sup my scrollies? You guys are looking good. 
* Scroll buttons. What is UP?
* Scroll buttons.. you guys okay? [http://e2tl.playvectrex.com/jingles/sbemail_menu38.swf Listen] 
* Ah, the scroll buttons and I have been through a lot together 
* Oooh, fancy new scroll buttons.

===Listen===
You can find mirrors of the old raps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/superferret111/swf/sbemail/

== Strong Bad Email Page Titles ==

* '''1-33''' ''except 5, 6, 20 and 22'': TANDY 400!!! (The computer Strong Bad uses for these emails.)
** 5 (making out): Frampton's Camel
** 6 (depressio): Tandy 500!!
** 20 (spring cleaning): Mandy 400!! (Strong Bad does some spring cleaning.)
** 22 (sb_email 22): The Lost Email! (It was censored)

* 34 (weird dream): Tangerine Dreams!! (Strong Bad's Tandy is broken so he uses The Cheat's computer)

* 35 (sisters): Tandy 400: The Big Comeback!! (Strong Bad returns to using his Tandy 400)

* 36-38 (guitar, dullard, helium): Tandy 400: Still Broken. (Strong Bad is still using his Tandy 400, but it's messed up.)

* 39-40 (property of ones, vacation): Tandy 400: Still Bloke.

* 41 (invisibility): The Last Stand(y) of the Tandy 400. (Strong Bad replaces his Tandy 400 with a Compy 386.)

* '''42-current''', ''except 50, 66½, 68½, 70, 99½, and 118'': Compy 386!! (Strong Bad's current computer.)
** 50 (50 emails): Lordy, Lordy! Look who's over there! (It's his fiftieth email.)
** 66½ (Arcade Game): Quite Exciting This Computer Magic! (Strong Bad gets a new arcade game.)
** 68½ (Lookin at a Thing in a Bag): T-TV, TV Show! (referring to the background music during this. It's not an email, but that's still a weird title.)
** 70 (big white face): Compy 086!! (reference to the old Macintosh screen Strong Bad uses.)
** 99½ (Not the 100th Email!!!): Not the 100th Email!!!
** 118 (virus): Compy 386??

== External Links ==
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail.html Strong Bad Email menu]
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail.swf View the flash file for Strong Bad Email Menu]
[[Category: Strong Bad Email]][[Category: Lists]]

Strong Bad Email

James — Mon, 22 Nov 2004 18:02:33 GMT

James: added info about a bug on homestarrunner.com

[[Image:sbemail.png|right|thumb|200px|Strong Bad checks his email.]]

[[Strong Bad]]'s emails are the most updated feature of the Homestar Runner website. Most of the inside jokes on the website (e.g., the [[Floppy Disk Container]]) come from here. A few characters were even created here!

== Note ==
Since Strong Bad's computer was shotgunned, A new email selection menu has replaced the old one. The new menu has a rather large bug. If you click an email title, you will go to the email below it. Thus, this wiki is now the only way to see the "Virus" email. On the bright side, if you wait at the menu, you can see a new toon.

== The Strong Bad Emails ==
*[[Strong Bad Email By Name]]
*[[Strong Bad Email By Place]]
<table width="100%">
<td width="33%" valign="top">
118. [[virus]] 
117. [[montage]] 
116. [[extra plug]] 
115. [[time capsule]] 
114. [[the facts]] 
113. [[pizzaz]] 
112. [[old comics]] 
111. [[other days]] 
110. [[for kids]] 
109. [[crying]] 
108. [[pom pom]] 
107. [[cheatday]] 
106. [[dangeresque 3]] 
105. [[replacement]] 
104. [[theme park]] 
103. [[haircut]] 
102. [[lunch special]] 
101. [[car]] 
100. [[flashback]] 
99. [[different town]] 
98. [[stupid stuff]] 
97. [[monument]] 
96. [[lackey]] 
95. [[the bet]] 
94. [[video games]] 
93. [[army]] 
92. [[kind of cool]] 
91. [[caffeine]] 
90. [[colonization]] 
89. [[local news]] 
88. [[couch patch]] 
87. [[mile]] 
86. [[no loafing]] 
85. [[2 years]] 
84. [[kids' book]] 
83. [[labor day]] 
82. [[impression]] 
81. [[date]] 
80. [[stunt double]] 
79. [[the process]]
<td width="33%" valign="top">
78. [[anything]] 
77. [[suntan]] 
76. [[sibbie]] 
75. [[funny]] 
74. [[privileges]] 
73. [[mascot]] 
72. [[crazy cartoon]] 
71. [[2 emails]] 
70. [[big white face]] 
69. [[personal favorites]] 
68. [[caper]] 
67. [[autobiography]] 
66. [[the show]] 
65. [[unused emails]] 
64. [[english paper]] 
63. [[fingers]] 
62. [[interview]] 
61. [[monster truck]] 
60. [[huttah!]] 
59. [[marzipan (email)|marzipan]] 
58. [[dragon]] 
57. [[japanese cartoon]] 
56. [[current status]] 
55. [[cheat talk]] 
54. [[morning routine]] 
53. [[comic]] 
52. [[island]] 
51. [[website]] 
50. [[50 emails]] 
49. [[theme party]] 
48. [[ghosts]] 
47. [[new hands]] 
46. [[your friends]] 
45. [[techno]] 
44. [[lures & jigs]] 
43. [[little questions]] 
42. [[action figure]] 
41. [[invisibility]] 
40. [[vacation]]
</td><td width="33%" valign="top">
39. [[property of ones]] 
38. [[helium]] 
37. [[dullard]] 
36. [[guitar]] 
35. [[sisters]] 
34. [[weird dream]] 
33. [[gimmicks]] 
32. [[flag day]] 
31. [[sugarbob]] 
30. [[12:00]] 
29. [[superhero name]] 
28. [[1 step ahead]] 
27. [[3 Wishes]] 
26. [[CGNU]] 
25. [[super powers]] 
24. [[the bird]] 
23. [[little animal]] 
22. [[sb_email 22]] 
21. [[cartoon]] 
20. [[spring cleaning]] 
19. [[tape-leg]] 
18. [[stand-up]] 
17. [[studying]] 
16. [[band names]] 
15. [[the basics]] 
14. [[duck pond]] 
13. [[i she be]] 
12. [[credit card]] 
11. [[i rule]] 
10. [[trevor the vampire]] 
9. [[i love you]] 
8. [[brianrietta]] 
7. [[halloweener]] 
6. [[depressio]] 
5. [[making out]] 
4. [[homestar hair]] 
3. [[butt IQ]] 
2. [[homsar (email)|homsar]] 
1. [[some kinda robot]]
</td>
</table>

== Not Quite Strong Bad Emails ==
The following shorts were originally associated in one way or another with the Strong Bad Emails. They are numbered by halves to show where they appeared chronologically in the list above. Number 99½ is not linked to from anywhere on the site, while the others do appear on the Shorts menu in the [[Toons]] section.

118½. [[Strong Bad Email?]] 
99½. [[Not the 100th Email!!!]] 
68½. [[Lookin at a Thing in a Bag]] 
66½. [[Arcade Game]]

== DVD Emails ==
The following emails only appear on the [[strongbad_email.exe]] DVD set.

[[Greeting Cards]] 
[[E-mail Birds]] 
[[Videro Games]]

== Strong Bad Email Raps ==
The rap is the ditty Strong Bad does on the E-mail menu page.

===Current Email Rap===

* S to the C, R O double L! My name is not Norman, but still I rock well!

===Previous Raps===

(The raps are collected on [[strongbad_email.exe]].)

* Huzzah, on the mic I'm droppin' scrollable science, and I'm scrollin' through the 'hood with my e-mail clients. Huzzah!
* Hold it. Control it. And buttons, come on, let's see you scroll it!

(On June 22, 2004 a click-and-drag scroll bar was added to this edition of the e-mail menu page.)

* Dear scroll buttons, let's not mince words. I love you guys! [http://e2tl.playvectrex.com/jingles/sbemail_menu100.swf Listen] 
* I keep my buttons on scroll and all the ladies in check, did you find the spare key to my apartment yet? What!? (sounds like Wuh!) [http://e2tl.playvectrex.com/jingles/sbemail_menu95.swf Listen] 
* The scroll, the scroll, the buttons, the buttons, scrolling so smooth like the butter on a muffin. [http://e2tl.playvectrex.com/jingles/sbemail_menu90.swf Listen] 
* Chew-it chew-it scroll buttons! Chew-it chew-it rock on! I got scroll buttons like the day is long! I got scroll buttons like the day is long! [http://e2tl.playvectrex.com/jingles/sbemail_menu84_TGS4.swf Listen] 

(Around mid-2003, "updated mondays" was replaced with "updated somedays.")

* Scroll button, scroll button, one two, one two, and if you swing by my crib then I can scroll with you! [http://e2tl.playvectrex.com/jingles/sbemail_menu80_3.swf Listen] 
* '''Coach Z''': And if you're tryin' to fade me then ya must smoke crack. '''Strong Bad''': Scroll buttons, oh yeah, like that heart attack. [http://e2tl.playvectrex.com/jingles/sbemail_menu80_1.swf Listen] 
* Once again it comes scrollin' back, scroll buttons get ill like a heart attack! [http://e2tl.playvectrex.com/jingles/sbemail_menu69.swf Listen] 
* Scroll it out, just scroll it out, scroll buttons 2.0. [http://e2tl.playvectrex.com/jingles/sbemail_menu59.swf Listen] 
* Scroll-a buh-tone-es! [http://e2tl.playvectrex.com/jingles/sbemail_menu58.swf Listen] 
* Keep on scrollin' on, my scriggities. 
* 'Sup my scrollies? You guys are looking good. 
* Scroll buttons. What is UP?
* Scroll buttons.. you guys okay? [http://e2tl.playvectrex.com/jingles/sbemail_menu38.swf Listen] 
* Ah, the scroll buttons and I have been through a lot together 
* Oooh, fancy new scroll buttons.

===Listen===
You can find mirrors of the old raps at http://members.lycos.co.uk/superferret111/swf/sbemail/

== Strong Bad Email Page Titles ==

* '''1-33''' ''except 5, 6, 20 and 22'': TANDY 400!!! (The computer Strong Bad uses for these emails.)
** 5 (making out): Frampton's Camel
** 6 (depressio): Tandy 500!!
** 20 (spring cleaning): Mandy 400!! (Strong Bad does some spring cleaning.)
** 22 (sb_email 22): The Lost Email! (It was censored)

* 34 (weird dream): Tangerine Dreams!! (Strong Bad's Tandy is broken so he uses The Cheat's computer)

* 35 (sisters): Tandy 400: The Big Comeback!! (Strong Bad returns to using his Tandy 400)

* 36-38 (guitar, dullard, helium): Tandy 400: Still Broken. (Strong Bad is still using his Tandy 400, but it's messed up.)

* 39-40 (property of ones, vacation): Tandy 400: Still Bloke.

* 41 (invisibility): The Last Stand(y) of the Tandy 400. (Strong Bad replaces his Tandy 400 with a Compy 386.)

* '''42-current''', ''except 50, 66½, 68½, 70, 99½, and 118'': Compy 386!! (Strong Bad's current computer.)
** 50 (50 emails): Lordy, Lordy! Look who's over there! (It's his fiftieth email.)
** 66½ (Arcade Game): Quite Exciting This Computer Magic! (Strong Bad gets a new arcade game.)
** 68½ (Lookin at a Thing in a Bag): T-TV, TV Show! (referring to the background music during this. It's not an email, but that's still a weird title.)
** 70 (big white face): Compy 086!! (reference to the old Macintosh screen Strong Bad uses.)
** 99½ (Not the 100th Email!!!): Not the 100th Email!!!
** 118 (virus): Compy 386??

== External Links ==
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail.html Strong Bad Email menu]
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail.swf View the flash file for Strong Bad Email Menu]
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Talk:Main Page

James — Sun, 21 Nov 2004 00:09:12 GMT

James: /* Other New Format comments */

== Links to toons/pages ==

''This has been refactored.'' There was some discussion about whether "External Links" should go at the top or bottom of the page. A few people liked having them at the top for easy access to H*R.com, but it was eventually decided that they should go at the bottom, following Wikipedia's example.

== Screenshots ==
''This has been refactored.'' It would be nice if we could figure out how to make the screenshots on toon/email pages into thumbnails. This would get them out of the way so that content isn't pushed too far down the page. We need (read: Joey needs) to talk to our host about getting Image::Magick installed on the server before that will be possible.

== Upload file ==
''This has been refactored.'' There is some concern that some members of our community (or outsiders for that matter) will upload unnecessary or innappropriate images. It was decided that they could link to them just as easily as they could download them, and it's better for the images to be hosted here than free sites that may be unstable. Bandwidth is not really an issue, though it probably would spike if we allowed uploads (and consequently a lot of image downloads) from our server. There are a number of special pages we can use to monitor uploads so they will not get out of hand: [[Special:Imagelist]], [[Special:Unusedimages]].
:Is there any way to make GIF an allowed format? I don't like GIF any more than the next guy, but it's useful sometimes. For example, the 'tear' icon from [[Strong Sad's Lament]] is an animated GIF, and I'd like to upload it for posterity (since the Lydia one fell off the face of the Earth).

::We can't upload GIF's? I had no idea. I'll look into it. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 08:54, 26 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Adding the rest of the stuff ==
Okay, I did a few tweaks on AgentSeethroo's addition. We have to figure out a few things:
#How to list the Characters on the [[Characters]] page. I know the few characters we have setup now were done with categories. I don't know how we are going to get them all (secondary etc.) on one page.
#I indented the 3 Features. They are under Toons, but I know they deserve a spot on the Main Menu... any other suggestions on how to do that?
#Rejects/Everything Else - what to call the page. Or even if we need that page. Should we just list everything on the Characters page under several headings? And we have to figure out what the categories are going to be.
Ideas everyone? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:10, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay...
#I'm not a huge fan of the Character page on the old wiki, but we may have to do something similar due to the amount of character "aliases" or whatever...I'll have to think about that for a little bit.
#I think the indention is okay, but it's the only thing on the page that's indented. It makes it look kinda wierd. I also thought the [[Features]] link was gonna get ditched from the main page? Maybe I got lost sometime...
#This is gonna take some discussion I think. I think it should go byebye, and if anyone makes ANY pages that could be deemed NOT canon or not very important, like ANYTHING in rejects, it goes under the category of Misc. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 09:55, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Yeah, we need to get Joey in on this discussion. I know he had some great ideas that seem to escape me at the moment. And you are right about the indent. But maybe we could have other indents?

Some of these pages are pretty big. I know that games page might work as two pages. Then an "Old Games" page could be indented underneath or something. Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:39, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::I think that characters can be broken down, as well as games. Maybe even places...maybe...
But I don't wanna randomly start indenting and cluttering things up, either... Joey? -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 12:14, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hm. Does ''every'' character have to go on the Characters page? I think rejected characters shouldn't even show up on the Characters page. If they are linked to from the toons/emails they appear in, or if someone references them in comments, then that's fine. The pages for Rejects should be created, but they need to be designated as stubs. Or, perhaps we can have a "Disputed Characters" category (or whatever name was decided on in that poll a while back, and then create a "Disputed Characters" template that says something like, "The validity of this character is in question. If you feel that this character should be considered for placement within the 'Characters' category, discuss it on the talk page." --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::I agree. Keep them off the Characters page, and create a category for them at most. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:07, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::::Yeah, keep them off the Characters page. But okay then, we need to set up a good system of rules to determine what's going to go in that category/on that page, and say... what's an Inside Joke. And I like the template idea. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:19, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::::And quit asking for my input. I trust you guys. Do what you feel is proper. As for the "features" link, it should go. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:43, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Sketchbook? ==
I just had a thought...should we have the [[Sketchbook]] here on the main page, since it's being updated weekly (or so), or will it only be in the museum?

:That's a good question. We were behind a few weeks when they started doing the Weekly Fanstuff, because we didn't know they weren't going to archive it. I say as long as we have it somewhere and record it for now, we're good either way. If it becomes as regular as Weekly Fanstuff or the Quote of the Week, then we can add it to a more prominent place. I guess. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:13, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:: I do'd it anyway! HA! How's it look? Someone was keepin' up with it already, so I just moverized it.-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:41, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Wiki Stuff ==
Okay, now that that's kinda settled...How are we gonna format the WikiStuff section of the main page? I know not everything will be included in this new wiki, but some stuff needs a place, like HelpDesk and WikiSandbox and whatnot. Do we just follow the same formatting as the old wiki, even though it may be like 5 links and that's it? Is it possible to make a sidebar links thingy that'd show up on every page? That'd be awesome, and it'd set us apart a little more.
Also, half of the pages that we linked on the main page make me wanna barf. I wonder why we never looked these things over periodically? I mean the downloads page, on a scale of 1 to 10 is horrible.5. There's gonna have to be some major overhauling of most those pages to make them look WAY more professional. I'd like to make this a site that TBC can NOT ignore, ya know?
-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:58, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Ah, very good questions. MediaWiki has these things called "[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace Namespace]s". For example the "Category:" part of the link puts the page in the "Category" namespace. Our Wiki's namespace for pages like the sandbox and stuff would go under "Homestar Runner Wiki:" just like the [[Homestar Runner Wiki:General disclaimer]] and [[Homestar Runner Wiki:FAQ]] pages. The HelpDesk is in the "Help:" namespace. See [[Help:Contents]]. Also, a lot of that is under the "Special:" namespace: [[Special:Allpages|Allpages]], [[Special:Listusers|Listusers]], [[Special:Ipblocklist|Ipblocklist]], and so on. We can put stuff over there on the sidebar too. And yes, some of those pages are totally "barf" as you say. I couldn't agree with you more. Maybe someone else has some suggestions on all this... Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:29, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ==
The Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ''really'' needs to be shortened to just HRWiki. Sewiously. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 01:16, 14 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Any idea how I do that? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:04, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. I think I've made the change, but things are still pointing to the wrong places. Check out the "Search" page. The namespace is called the right thing there. However, the "About" and "Disclaimers" pages still point to "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:About" and "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:General_Disclaimer". I'm also looking into changing the name of "Current events" to "H*R.com updates" and making the "Community portal" link a "WikiForum" link instead. On a related note, I found a really useful page for the admins: [[Special:Allmessages]]. This lets us change all of the various system messages. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, I'm a confused kid right now. I've edited at least three of the system messages, but they aren't changing. I've changed them from the [[Special:Allmessages]] page and directly in the Languages.php file. What the heck am I doing wrong?? Specifically, I'm talking about the "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning" pages. Here's where I learned about this: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_namespace. Help! --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:47, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::Okay, our case-change stuff messed up more than I thought it would. Apparently, while I was editing "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning", I should've been editing "Portal", "Portal-url", and "Copyrightwarning". I wonder if there's some way we can limit our case-change stuff to just the HRWiki namespace. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hmm, now the WikiForum link links to a Wiki page called "http://forum..." Hrm.

== Let's Open 'er Up ==
So, lately I've had this horribly sick feeling that things have gone all wrong. This wiki is a community, and therefore a project like this should be done as a community. What we should do, above anything, is get things ready to be opened up. I'd like to see our community finish moving emails, toons, and characters (maybe I'm just lazy, but I really do feel that this is a matter of principle).

I know some of you might be freaking out and thinking that we can't trust our users to move stuff the right way, but think about this: This community has worked so far precisely because we have given everyone the freedom to edit any document. This is the wiki way! If we don't trust our community to get things right, why is this even a wiki in the first place? We might as well just have a normal website maintained by the dozen of us that are working on this migration right now.

So, what we really need to do is all the stuff that's necessary for this place to be operational. We need to build the documentation, make sure all the namespaces and options are set up the way we want them, etc. What do you guys think of this? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:31, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay, this is a little scary. I think for the mostpart, you're right, but we still have to issue of page load. If we open up both the old wiki and the new wiki to everybody, things are going to slow to a crawl again. Can you think of any solution to this? Also, I'm afraid we'll have tons of collision problems with lots of people working on the same documents at the same time. And a lot of people are going to try to copy-and-past things the lazy way, without taking the time to fix links, etc. I agree that this should be a community effort, but I think we have to resolve those issues first. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::I know you guys know I'm against opening it up. We don't even have any of our help page written yet. Or have the copyrights worked out: we have one place that says GNU and one place that says CC. And Jones is right about that page load. and the everyone doing everything at once thing. Just some more stuff to think about.
::As to the problem Joey's dealing with: our not giving everyone the freedom to edit... I think that would create more problems. Joey's right, giving everyone editing rights makes the wiki better, but that happens over a longer period of time. Right now we have to think on the short term. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::I agree with the Tom and Jones. This place is still a wiki, people will still be able to edit it when it opens up. Lettin' everyone on right now, even to help, would be kinda like lettin' a bunch of kids into an amusement park before it's finished and saying "You have to help us finish, though." There. My two cents. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 08:34, 31 Aug 2004 (MST)

== CSS Tweaks ==
Joey, could you increase the paragraph (P tags) spacing in the CSS? It's a little difficult to make out paragraph boundaries right now. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Working on it... --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Done. Sorry it took me so long. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Case issues ==
I just noticed something that might be an issue. Since we made case matter (for the emails), we now have the issue of [[Ballad of the Sneak]] and [[Ballad of The Sneak]] (and every other case variation) being two completely distinct pages. Is this going to be a problem? -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:39, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:This is already a problem on Wikipedia for any word after the first word. For instance, try looking up "George bush". We'll (and when I say we, I'm talking about the whole community, not just us admins) just have to pay close attention and create redirects where necessary -- at least until all the links can be fixed. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:56, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Okay, "George bush" is a bad example because there's already a redirect. Try "Greek orthodox". --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:57, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, no probalo. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]

::::Yeah, we have this issue with [[The Paper]] and [[The paper]]. I think Joey did the redirect for that. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Flash file links ==
Okay, so this has kinda been buggin' me for a while. Whoever first called it "watch this video in fullscreen" obviously had no idea they were linking to the actual raw flash file. Since then, we've continued to call it "watch this video in fullscreen". Can we change it to "download the flash file of this video", or something more meaningful? What do you think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:34, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Hm, I guess you're right. Though I wish you'd mentioned it before I did all the toons. :D Anyway, "download" isn't quite the right term, since it'll just play in most people's browsers. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:52, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. It downloads in Firefox, but I guess that's probably a preference setting. "view the flash file"? "watch the flash file"? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::"view the Flash file" seems good to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 11:32, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::We could use a template, like: <nowiki>[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail50.swf Download the Flash file] {{swf}}</nowiki>, and the <nowiki>{{swf}}</nowiki> prints a small boilerplate saying it may download the Flash file or it may instead view it in "fullscreen". - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 13:48, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Convertulator suggestions ==

StrongBadEmail should be automagically changed to [[Strong Bad Email]]. Anyplace where StrongBadEmail/ appears, it should be removed, so [[StrongBadEmail/flashback]] automagically becomes [[flashback]]. Only problem would be links like this: [[StrongBadEmail/flashback|flashback]]. They would turn out like this: [[flashback|flashback]], which I suppose isn't a big deal, but it's unnecessary bloat. We'll just have to watch for those. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:39, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've implemented your suggestions. However, I did find one small bug. If you have a (()) Wiki link that itself is in parentheses, e.g. "(((Some Page)) here)", the Convertulator will convert the first pair of parentheses, yielding <nowiki>[[(Some Page]] here)</nowiki>. There's no easy fix for this, so unfortunately we'll just have to just be on the lookout for it. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 14:17, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Characters featured ==

While adding Filmography categories, I noticed something. The featured characters lists don't seem to be in any particular order. I've been alphabetizing for the filmography categories, but I think the "Featured:" list should be in order of appearance. Maybe it should say...

'''Cast (in order of appearance): [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]], [[Homsar (character)|Homsar]]'''

What do you guys think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:53, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've always tried to do them in order of appearance. Seems like a good standard to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:54, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Navigation links on left ==

Two, maybe three of the nav links on the left have odd tooltips.

*'''Main Page''' - Visit the main page [alt-z]
**This is fine.
*'''Strong Bad Email''' - About the project, what you can do, where to find things
**Obviously this isn't what it is at all.
*'''H*R.com updates''' - Find background information on current events
**And nor is this ''really''.
*'''Recent changes''' - The list of recent changes in the wiki. [alt-r]
**Also fine.
*'''Random page''' - Load a random page. [alt-x]
**Also fine.
*'''Help''' - The place to find out.
**Slightly odd?

Also, we probably ought to have shortcuts for everything or nothing.

:Very good catch. I didn't even notice that the alt text was still set for the default links that used to be there. We also need to get the external links to the WikiForum and the WikiChat there as well. Thanks for the heads up, "84.9.23.83". -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:34, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

:You're welcome! I've got myself a proper account now. - [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 11:00, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Inside jokes ==

Why are [[Inside Jokes]] classified as "wiki stuff"? They are part of the content of H*R, and do not refer to the workings of the wiki. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 00:31, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I guess [[Rejects]] are in that same catagory. Plus things like the glossary just kind of float somewhere in between. I think some reformatting of the section definitions are in order, as long as the Main Page is recieving an overhaul. Any additional design suggestions? -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:35, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I was just doing some more thinking, and what about having the Knowledge Base contain ONLY the things listed on the H*R main page(s), and put everything left over into Wiki Stuff. Basically it would look something like this, and would have the added bonus of evening the two sections out, leaving External Links on the bottom...

* [[Toons]]
** [[Strong Bad Email]]
** [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]
** [[Teen Girl Squad]]
** [[Powered By The Cheat]]
** [[Puppet Stuff]]
** [[Holiday Toons]]
* [[Games]]
* [[Characters]]
* [[Downloads]]
* [[Store]]
* [[Email]]
* [[Legal]]
* [[Main Pages]]
** [[Weekly Fanstuff]]
** [[Quote of the Week]]
** [[Sketchbook]]
* [[Museum]]
* [[Secret Pages]]

Then this to the right of it: (Perhaps the first part in an additional section)

* [[Places]]
* [[Items]]
* [[Songs]]
* [[Quotes]]
* [[Glossary]]
* [[Inside Jokes]]
* [[Rejects]]
(Perhaps another section here?)
* [[Special:Listusers|List of registered wiki users]]
* [[Links]]
* [[Sightings]]
* [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]]
* [[HRWiki:Ledger|Ledger]]
* [[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]]
* [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]
* [[WikiTroll]]
* [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]]

Then the external links in another catergory. Does anyone like this idea? I think it draws a clearer distinction between things organized by the site, and additional Knowledge sorted by the Wiki. I think a clearer illustration would be that the Knowlege base is simply the 10 vegetables, and the Wiki Stuff is all the different salads they can be made into. Does anyone understand this very abstract illustration? As of now there is no clear line drawn, and many pages float in between. At the very least pages like [[Inside Jokes]] and [[Songs]] seem to be in the same catergory and in my opinion should be sorted accordingly. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:48, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

The Wiki Stuff should be for all the internal housekeeping pages like help pages, list of Trolls, ongoing projects and the like. The material that branches out from the core H*R content like [[Sightings]] can be grouped together, but they are not Wiki specific things. -[[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 12:44, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Then what about renaming the section, or even adding a seperate section? Perhaps name that one something like... 'Base Knowledge', and the other one like 'Secondary Knowledge', or something like that. Then have Wiki Troll, Ledger, Ect. under 'Wiki Stuff'. Or move EVERYTHING H*R related to Knowlege base, including Inside Jokes, ect, but that would make the menu look very offset... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 12:58, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Does anybody have an opinion about my idea? I think it's a good layout... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 22:56, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

== New Format = <strike>Banners</strike>? ==

I like the new format, it does make the title screen smaller, and more... colorful, I guess, but what happened to those cool banners? Any way to incorporate them into the design at the tops of the boxes? They really gave the main page a distinct look, and I would like to see them live again. If they don't fit, could whoever made them maybe remake one or two for a custom fit? I dunno, just a suggestion. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:28, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also as long as we're on the topic of the new format, what about moving the External Links to below the Wiki Stuff section? There's alot of unused space there. Might even get the page to one screen, without scrolling. Plus should anyone put the explanations of the links back? There seems to be a lack of explanations, only half the links have them. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:32, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Ah ha. I uploaded the banners to [[:Image:officialsite-banner.png]], [[:Image:wikipages-banner.png]], and [[:Image:externallinks-banner.png]]. I'm hoping that someone will come up with something similar that will work with this format. I'm thinking the width should be limited to around 100px.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:16, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I don't see what was wrong with a lil' scrolling. I'm taking this very harshly. It was my only reminder of the old wiki. --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 14:08, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:It reminds me a lot of Wikipedia. Maybe to much. I'm thinkin' we need something to "liven" the page up a bit, maybe like an official "Homestar Runner Wiki" banner across the top of the page. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

== Other New Format comments ==

Oh, god, I looked at the new format and I almost lost my lunch. It's so ugly! I really think the old banners should be back! Is there a way we can get them back?

[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 17:04, 17 Nov 2004

I agree, the Banners are needed. Any way to put them along the tops of the colored boxes, even custom stretching them to fit? I think that would look rather good. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 16:33, 17 Nov 2004 (

:It's not that big of a deal. If you puked over this, I'd hate to ride a Tilt-A-Whirl with you. Get over it. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::I'm starting to notice a pattern of people percieving improvements as being evil here, first with the switchover from Tavi to this, then the reformatting of the front page. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 02:53, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::If there's one thing that never changes, it's that people are afraid of change, no matter how much it improves their lives. Never try to give your grandma a new TV. Anyway, the banners aren't gone for good. The ones we were using just don't fit in the new layout. And just so we're clear: messing about with the front page just because you "liked it better before" is trolling and will be handled as such. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

::uh, how does this change improve my life? I guess the layout is more functional, but as for improvement, I don't think it really adds anything to the site.

::: I agree. It looks more crowded and ugly. Needs more color, like the homestar runner website. Keeping the new layout is fine, we just need smaller banners. (Btw, why is keeping the old layout trolling, yet putting up a worse layout not? I agree with your point, I just find that statement a very harsh thing that goes agenst the wiki spirit.) Also, this layout looks like crap at 800x600 --[[User:James|James]] 13:52, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)
::::The reason reverting to the old layout is trolling is quite simple: Tom (one of the mods) is the one that did the redesign, and since the mods have the most say in how the Wiki is set up, they have authority. Changing it back because you don't like this new version, therefore, is showing contempt for the mods and so on and so forth. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 14:58, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::::What about coming up with a better design that everyone likes? Is this ok? --[[User:James|James]] 18:22, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::Can't we settle this with a vote? --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 18:17, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::I don't know. Whichever wins, a whole mess of people would be mad. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::Afraid of change, no. Liked the banners, yes. :( --[[User:Southpaw018|Southpaw018]] 21:47, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::The banners were awesome and the new design is awful. I downloaded the banners (thanks Tom) and I am willing to make new ones (that's part of what I do for a living). I will make a couple and see what everyone thinks.-[[User:YourFuzzyGod|YourFuzzyGod]]

::I'll help if you need it. I made the origenal banners that started this whole thing off anyway. :-) --[[User:James|James]] 14:46, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::DONE! Here is one --> [[:Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]. I kept the theme of the old banners. If there are any changes you would like to see, tell me. Let me know if you want to use these and I will make the other two.-[[User:YourFuzzyGod|YourFuzzyGod]]

:::Thats a little small, ain't it? what about something 200 pixels wide? --[[User:James|James]] 18:33, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also, it is really annoying that the "knowledge base" frame is about 10% bigger than the "Wiki Stuff" frame. Why is this?-[[User:YourFuzzyGod|YourFuzzyGod]]

::Yes! I've been noticing this and it's driving me up the wall. If anything, the "Wiki stuff" frame should be bigger simply because there is more text that wraps on it. Having it smaller then "Knowledge base" is retarded, mostly since the "Knowledge base" frame has very little text that extends all the way to the border. --[[User:James|James]] 18:21, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

I just did a quick preview of the main page with equal frames and it looks so much better then when it's 10% off. Theres absolutely no reason I see for the 10% diffrence. Or is there something I'm missing? --[[User:James|James]] 18:26, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::Hi James. I'm glad you are thinking of changes for the Main Page. However, I'd like to ask that you refrain from using words such as "retarded" as this can be offensive to developmentally disabled people.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:04, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::::Ok. Sorry. --[[User:James|James]] 17:09, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

Talk:Main Page

James — Sat, 20 Nov 2004 01:33:11 GMT

James: commenting on banner

== Links to toons/pages ==

''This has been refactored.'' There was some discussion about whether "External Links" should go at the top or bottom of the page. A few people liked having them at the top for easy access to H*R.com, but it was eventually decided that they should go at the bottom, following Wikipedia's example.

== Screenshots ==
''This has been refactored.'' It would be nice if we could figure out how to make the screenshots on toon/email pages into thumbnails. This would get them out of the way so that content isn't pushed too far down the page. We need (read: Joey needs) to talk to our host about getting Image::Magick installed on the server before that will be possible.

== Upload file ==
''This has been refactored.'' There is some concern that some members of our community (or outsiders for that matter) will upload unnecessary or innappropriate images. It was decided that they could link to them just as easily as they could download them, and it's better for the images to be hosted here than free sites that may be unstable. Bandwidth is not really an issue, though it probably would spike if we allowed uploads (and consequently a lot of image downloads) from our server. There are a number of special pages we can use to monitor uploads so they will not get out of hand: [[Special:Imagelist]], [[Special:Unusedimages]].
:Is there any way to make GIF an allowed format? I don't like GIF any more than the next guy, but it's useful sometimes. For example, the 'tear' icon from [[Strong Sad's Lament]] is an animated GIF, and I'd like to upload it for posterity (since the Lydia one fell off the face of the Earth).

::We can't upload GIF's? I had no idea. I'll look into it. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 08:54, 26 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Adding the rest of the stuff ==
Okay, I did a few tweaks on AgentSeethroo's addition. We have to figure out a few things:
#How to list the Characters on the [[Characters]] page. I know the few characters we have setup now were done with categories. I don't know how we are going to get them all (secondary etc.) on one page.
#I indented the 3 Features. They are under Toons, but I know they deserve a spot on the Main Menu... any other suggestions on how to do that?
#Rejects/Everything Else - what to call the page. Or even if we need that page. Should we just list everything on the Characters page under several headings? And we have to figure out what the categories are going to be.
Ideas everyone? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:10, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay...
#I'm not a huge fan of the Character page on the old wiki, but we may have to do something similar due to the amount of character "aliases" or whatever...I'll have to think about that for a little bit.
#I think the indention is okay, but it's the only thing on the page that's indented. It makes it look kinda wierd. I also thought the [[Features]] link was gonna get ditched from the main page? Maybe I got lost sometime...
#This is gonna take some discussion I think. I think it should go byebye, and if anyone makes ANY pages that could be deemed NOT canon or not very important, like ANYTHING in rejects, it goes under the category of Misc. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 09:55, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Yeah, we need to get Joey in on this discussion. I know he had some great ideas that seem to escape me at the moment. And you are right about the indent. But maybe we could have other indents?

Some of these pages are pretty big. I know that games page might work as two pages. Then an "Old Games" page could be indented underneath or something. Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:39, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::I think that characters can be broken down, as well as games. Maybe even places...maybe...
But I don't wanna randomly start indenting and cluttering things up, either... Joey? -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 12:14, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hm. Does ''every'' character have to go on the Characters page? I think rejected characters shouldn't even show up on the Characters page. If they are linked to from the toons/emails they appear in, or if someone references them in comments, then that's fine. The pages for Rejects should be created, but they need to be designated as stubs. Or, perhaps we can have a "Disputed Characters" category (or whatever name was decided on in that poll a while back, and then create a "Disputed Characters" template that says something like, "The validity of this character is in question. If you feel that this character should be considered for placement within the 'Characters' category, discuss it on the talk page." --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::I agree. Keep them off the Characters page, and create a category for them at most. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:07, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::::Yeah, keep them off the Characters page. But okay then, we need to set up a good system of rules to determine what's going to go in that category/on that page, and say... what's an Inside Joke. And I like the template idea. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:19, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::::And quit asking for my input. I trust you guys. Do what you feel is proper. As for the "features" link, it should go. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:43, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Sketchbook? ==
I just had a thought...should we have the [[Sketchbook]] here on the main page, since it's being updated weekly (or so), or will it only be in the museum?

:That's a good question. We were behind a few weeks when they started doing the Weekly Fanstuff, because we didn't know they weren't going to archive it. I say as long as we have it somewhere and record it for now, we're good either way. If it becomes as regular as Weekly Fanstuff or the Quote of the Week, then we can add it to a more prominent place. I guess. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:13, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:: I do'd it anyway! HA! How's it look? Someone was keepin' up with it already, so I just moverized it.-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:41, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Wiki Stuff ==
Okay, now that that's kinda settled...How are we gonna format the WikiStuff section of the main page? I know not everything will be included in this new wiki, but some stuff needs a place, like HelpDesk and WikiSandbox and whatnot. Do we just follow the same formatting as the old wiki, even though it may be like 5 links and that's it? Is it possible to make a sidebar links thingy that'd show up on every page? That'd be awesome, and it'd set us apart a little more.
Also, half of the pages that we linked on the main page make me wanna barf. I wonder why we never looked these things over periodically? I mean the downloads page, on a scale of 1 to 10 is horrible.5. There's gonna have to be some major overhauling of most those pages to make them look WAY more professional. I'd like to make this a site that TBC can NOT ignore, ya know?
-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:58, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Ah, very good questions. MediaWiki has these things called "[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace Namespace]s". For example the "Category:" part of the link puts the page in the "Category" namespace. Our Wiki's namespace for pages like the sandbox and stuff would go under "Homestar Runner Wiki:" just like the [[Homestar Runner Wiki:General disclaimer]] and [[Homestar Runner Wiki:FAQ]] pages. The HelpDesk is in the "Help:" namespace. See [[Help:Contents]]. Also, a lot of that is under the "Special:" namespace: [[Special:Allpages|Allpages]], [[Special:Listusers|Listusers]], [[Special:Ipblocklist|Ipblocklist]], and so on. We can put stuff over there on the sidebar too. And yes, some of those pages are totally "barf" as you say. I couldn't agree with you more. Maybe someone else has some suggestions on all this... Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:29, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ==
The Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ''really'' needs to be shortened to just HRWiki. Sewiously. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 01:16, 14 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Any idea how I do that? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:04, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. I think I've made the change, but things are still pointing to the wrong places. Check out the "Search" page. The namespace is called the right thing there. However, the "About" and "Disclaimers" pages still point to "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:About" and "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:General_Disclaimer". I'm also looking into changing the name of "Current events" to "H*R.com updates" and making the "Community portal" link a "WikiForum" link instead. On a related note, I found a really useful page for the admins: [[Special:Allmessages]]. This lets us change all of the various system messages. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, I'm a confused kid right now. I've edited at least three of the system messages, but they aren't changing. I've changed them from the [[Special:Allmessages]] page and directly in the Languages.php file. What the heck am I doing wrong?? Specifically, I'm talking about the "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning" pages. Here's where I learned about this: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_namespace. Help! --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:47, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::Okay, our case-change stuff messed up more than I thought it would. Apparently, while I was editing "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning", I should've been editing "Portal", "Portal-url", and "Copyrightwarning". I wonder if there's some way we can limit our case-change stuff to just the HRWiki namespace. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hmm, now the WikiForum link links to a Wiki page called "http://forum..." Hrm.

== Let's Open 'er Up ==
So, lately I've had this horribly sick feeling that things have gone all wrong. This wiki is a community, and therefore a project like this should be done as a community. What we should do, above anything, is get things ready to be opened up. I'd like to see our community finish moving emails, toons, and characters (maybe I'm just lazy, but I really do feel that this is a matter of principle).

I know some of you might be freaking out and thinking that we can't trust our users to move stuff the right way, but think about this: This community has worked so far precisely because we have given everyone the freedom to edit any document. This is the wiki way! If we don't trust our community to get things right, why is this even a wiki in the first place? We might as well just have a normal website maintained by the dozen of us that are working on this migration right now.

So, what we really need to do is all the stuff that's necessary for this place to be operational. We need to build the documentation, make sure all the namespaces and options are set up the way we want them, etc. What do you guys think of this? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:31, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay, this is a little scary. I think for the mostpart, you're right, but we still have to issue of page load. If we open up both the old wiki and the new wiki to everybody, things are going to slow to a crawl again. Can you think of any solution to this? Also, I'm afraid we'll have tons of collision problems with lots of people working on the same documents at the same time. And a lot of people are going to try to copy-and-past things the lazy way, without taking the time to fix links, etc. I agree that this should be a community effort, but I think we have to resolve those issues first. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::I know you guys know I'm against opening it up. We don't even have any of our help page written yet. Or have the copyrights worked out: we have one place that says GNU and one place that says CC. And Jones is right about that page load. and the everyone doing everything at once thing. Just some more stuff to think about.
::As to the problem Joey's dealing with: our not giving everyone the freedom to edit... I think that would create more problems. Joey's right, giving everyone editing rights makes the wiki better, but that happens over a longer period of time. Right now we have to think on the short term. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::I agree with the Tom and Jones. This place is still a wiki, people will still be able to edit it when it opens up. Lettin' everyone on right now, even to help, would be kinda like lettin' a bunch of kids into an amusement park before it's finished and saying "You have to help us finish, though." There. My two cents. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 08:34, 31 Aug 2004 (MST)

== CSS Tweaks ==
Joey, could you increase the paragraph (P tags) spacing in the CSS? It's a little difficult to make out paragraph boundaries right now. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Working on it... --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Done. Sorry it took me so long. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Case issues ==
I just noticed something that might be an issue. Since we made case matter (for the emails), we now have the issue of [[Ballad of the Sneak]] and [[Ballad of The Sneak]] (and every other case variation) being two completely distinct pages. Is this going to be a problem? -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:39, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:This is already a problem on Wikipedia for any word after the first word. For instance, try looking up "George bush". We'll (and when I say we, I'm talking about the whole community, not just us admins) just have to pay close attention and create redirects where necessary -- at least until all the links can be fixed. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:56, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Okay, "George bush" is a bad example because there's already a redirect. Try "Greek orthodox". --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:57, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, no probalo. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]

::::Yeah, we have this issue with [[The Paper]] and [[The paper]]. I think Joey did the redirect for that. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Flash file links ==
Okay, so this has kinda been buggin' me for a while. Whoever first called it "watch this video in fullscreen" obviously had no idea they were linking to the actual raw flash file. Since then, we've continued to call it "watch this video in fullscreen". Can we change it to "download the flash file of this video", or something more meaningful? What do you think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:34, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Hm, I guess you're right. Though I wish you'd mentioned it before I did all the toons. :D Anyway, "download" isn't quite the right term, since it'll just play in most people's browsers. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:52, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. It downloads in Firefox, but I guess that's probably a preference setting. "view the flash file"? "watch the flash file"? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::"view the Flash file" seems good to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 11:32, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::We could use a template, like: <nowiki>[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail50.swf Download the Flash file] {{swf}}</nowiki>, and the <nowiki>{{swf}}</nowiki> prints a small boilerplate saying it may download the Flash file or it may instead view it in "fullscreen". - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 13:48, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Convertulator suggestions ==

StrongBadEmail should be automagically changed to [[Strong Bad Email]]. Anyplace where StrongBadEmail/ appears, it should be removed, so [[StrongBadEmail/flashback]] automagically becomes [[flashback]]. Only problem would be links like this: [[StrongBadEmail/flashback|flashback]]. They would turn out like this: [[flashback|flashback]], which I suppose isn't a big deal, but it's unnecessary bloat. We'll just have to watch for those. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:39, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've implemented your suggestions. However, I did find one small bug. If you have a (()) Wiki link that itself is in parentheses, e.g. "(((Some Page)) here)", the Convertulator will convert the first pair of parentheses, yielding <nowiki>[[(Some Page]] here)</nowiki>. There's no easy fix for this, so unfortunately we'll just have to just be on the lookout for it. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 14:17, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Characters featured ==

While adding Filmography categories, I noticed something. The featured characters lists don't seem to be in any particular order. I've been alphabetizing for the filmography categories, but I think the "Featured:" list should be in order of appearance. Maybe it should say...

'''Cast (in order of appearance): [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]], [[Homsar (character)|Homsar]]'''

What do you guys think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:53, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've always tried to do them in order of appearance. Seems like a good standard to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:54, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Navigation links on left ==

Two, maybe three of the nav links on the left have odd tooltips.

*'''Main Page''' - Visit the main page [alt-z]
**This is fine.
*'''Strong Bad Email''' - About the project, what you can do, where to find things
**Obviously this isn't what it is at all.
*'''H*R.com updates''' - Find background information on current events
**And nor is this ''really''.
*'''Recent changes''' - The list of recent changes in the wiki. [alt-r]
**Also fine.
*'''Random page''' - Load a random page. [alt-x]
**Also fine.
*'''Help''' - The place to find out.
**Slightly odd?

Also, we probably ought to have shortcuts for everything or nothing.

:Very good catch. I didn't even notice that the alt text was still set for the default links that used to be there. We also need to get the external links to the WikiForum and the WikiChat there as well. Thanks for the heads up, "84.9.23.83". -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:34, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

:You're welcome! I've got myself a proper account now. - [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 11:00, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Inside jokes ==

Why are [[Inside Jokes]] classified as "wiki stuff"? They are part of the content of H*R, and do not refer to the workings of the wiki. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 00:31, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I guess [[Rejects]] are in that same catagory. Plus things like the glossary just kind of float somewhere in between. I think some reformatting of the section definitions are in order, as long as the Main Page is recieving an overhaul. Any additional design suggestions? -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:35, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I was just doing some more thinking, and what about having the Knowledge Base contain ONLY the things listed on the H*R main page(s), and put everything left over into Wiki Stuff. Basically it would look something like this, and would have the added bonus of evening the two sections out, leaving External Links on the bottom...

* [[Toons]]
** [[Strong Bad Email]]
** [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]
** [[Teen Girl Squad]]
** [[Powered By The Cheat]]
** [[Puppet Stuff]]
** [[Holiday Toons]]
* [[Games]]
* [[Characters]]
* [[Downloads]]
* [[Store]]
* [[Email]]
* [[Legal]]
* [[Main Pages]]
** [[Weekly Fanstuff]]
** [[Quote of the Week]]
** [[Sketchbook]]
* [[Museum]]
* [[Secret Pages]]

Then this to the right of it: (Perhaps the first part in an additional section)

* [[Places]]
* [[Items]]
* [[Songs]]
* [[Quotes]]
* [[Glossary]]
* [[Inside Jokes]]
* [[Rejects]]
(Perhaps another section here?)
* [[Special:Listusers|List of registered wiki users]]
* [[Links]]
* [[Sightings]]
* [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]]
* [[HRWiki:Ledger|Ledger]]
* [[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]]
* [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]
* [[WikiTroll]]
* [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]]

Then the external links in another catergory. Does anyone like this idea? I think it draws a clearer distinction between things organized by the site, and additional Knowledge sorted by the Wiki. I think a clearer illustration would be that the Knowlege base is simply the 10 vegetables, and the Wiki Stuff is all the different salads they can be made into. Does anyone understand this very abstract illustration? As of now there is no clear line drawn, and many pages float in between. At the very least pages like [[Inside Jokes]] and [[Songs]] seem to be in the same catergory and in my opinion should be sorted accordingly. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:48, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

The Wiki Stuff should be for all the internal housekeeping pages like help pages, list of Trolls, ongoing projects and the like. The material that branches out from the core H*R content like [[Sightings]] can be grouped together, but they are not Wiki specific things. -[[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 12:44, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Then what about renaming the section, or even adding a seperate section? Perhaps name that one something like... 'Base Knowledge', and the other one like 'Secondary Knowledge', or something like that. Then have Wiki Troll, Ledger, Ect. under 'Wiki Stuff'. Or move EVERYTHING H*R related to Knowlege base, including Inside Jokes, ect, but that would make the menu look very offset... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 12:58, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Does anybody have an opinion about my idea? I think it's a good layout... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 22:56, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

== New Format = <strike>Banners</strike>? ==

I like the new format, it does make the title screen smaller, and more... colorful, I guess, but what happened to those cool banners? Any way to incorporate them into the design at the tops of the boxes? They really gave the main page a distinct look, and I would like to see them live again. If they don't fit, could whoever made them maybe remake one or two for a custom fit? I dunno, just a suggestion. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:28, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also as long as we're on the topic of the new format, what about moving the External Links to below the Wiki Stuff section? There's alot of unused space there. Might even get the page to one screen, without scrolling. Plus should anyone put the explanations of the links back? There seems to be a lack of explanations, only half the links have them. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:32, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Ah ha. I uploaded the banners to [[:Image:officialsite-banner.png]], [[:Image:wikipages-banner.png]], and [[:Image:externallinks-banner.png]]. I'm hoping that someone will come up with something similar that will work with this format. I'm thinking the width should be limited to around 100px.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:16, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I don't see what was wrong with a lil' scrolling. I'm taking this very harshly. It was my only reminder of the old wiki. --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 14:08, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:It reminds me a lot of Wikipedia. Maybe to much. I'm thinkin' we need something to "liven" the page up a bit, maybe like an official "Homestar Runner Wiki" banner across the top of the page. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

== Other New Format comments ==

Oh, god, I looked at the new format and I almost lost my lunch. It's so ugly! I really think the old banners should be back! Is there a way we can get them back?

[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 17:04, 17 Nov 2004

I agree, the Banners are needed. Any way to put them along the tops of the colored boxes, even custom stretching them to fit? I think that would look rather good. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 16:33, 17 Nov 2004 (

:It's not that big of a deal. If you puked over this, I'd hate to ride a Tilt-A-Whirl with you. Get over it. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::I'm starting to notice a pattern of people percieving improvements as being evil here, first with the switchover from Tavi to this, then the reformatting of the front page. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 02:53, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::If there's one thing that never changes, it's that people are afraid of change, no matter how much it improves their lives. Never try to give your grandma a new TV. Anyway, the banners aren't gone for good. The ones we were using just don't fit in the new layout. And just so we're clear: messing about with the front page just because you "liked it better before" is trolling and will be handled as such. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

::uh, how does this change improve my life? I guess the layout is more functional, but as for improvement, I don't think it really adds anything to the site.

::: I agree. It looks more crowded and ugly. Needs more color, like the homestar runner website. Keeping the new layout is fine, we just need smaller banners. (Btw, why is keeping the old layout trolling, yet putting up a worse layout not? I agree with your point, I just find that statement a very harsh thing that goes agenst the wiki spirit.) Also, this layout looks like crap at 800x600 --[[User:James|James]] 13:52, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)
::::The reason reverting to the old layout is trolling is quite simple: Tom (one of the mods) is the one that did the redesign, and since the mods have the most say in how the Wiki is set up, they have authority. Changing it back because you don't like this new version, therefore, is showing contempt for the mods and so on and so forth. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 14:58, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::::What about coming up with a better design that everyone likes? Is this ok? --[[User:James|James]] 18:22, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::Can't we settle this with a vote? --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 18:17, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::I don't know. Whichever wins, a whole mess of people would be mad. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::Afraid of change, no. Liked the banners, yes. :( --[[User:Southpaw018|Southpaw018]] 21:47, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::The banners were awesome and the new design is awful. I downloaded the banners (thanks Tom) and I am willing to make new ones (that's part of what I do for a living). I will make a couple and see what everyone thinks.-[[User:YourFuzzyGod|YourFuzzyGod]]

::I'll help if you need it. I made the origenal banners that started this whole thing off anyway. :-) --[[User:James|James]] 14:46, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::DONE! Here is one --> [[:Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]. I kept the theme of the old banners. If there are any changes you would like to see, tell me. Let me know if you want to use these and I will make the other two.-[[User:YourFuzzyGod|YourFuzzyGod]]

:::Thats a little small, ain't it? what about something 200 pixels wide? --[[User:James|James]] 18:33, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also, it is really annoying that the "knowledge base" frame is about 10% bigger than the "Wiki Stuff" frame. Why is this?-[[User:YourFuzzyGod|YourFuzzyGod]]

::Yes! I've been noticing this and it's driving me up the wall. If anything, the "Wiki stuff" frame should be bigger simply because there is more text that wraps on it. Having it smaller then "Knowledge base" is retarded, mostly since the "Knowledge base" frame has very little text that extends all the way to the border. --[[User:James|James]] 18:21, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

I just did a quick preview of the main page with equal frames and it looks so much better then when it's 10% off. Theres absolutely no reason I see for the 10% diffrence. Or is there something I'm missing? --[[User:James|James]] 18:26, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

Main Page

James — Sat, 20 Nov 2004 01:28:39 GMT

James: Making the frames equal. Not trying to troll, I just think it improves the look.

Welcome to the '''Homestar Runner Wiki''', a collaborative knowledge-base dedicated to the [[Homestar Runner]] Flash cartoons created by [[The Brothers Chaps]]. We are currently working on [[Special:Statistics|{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}]] articles.

For ideas on where you can start helping, check the [[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]] page. To learn how to start editing the wiki, read the [[Help:Editing|how-to]] page first, and then practice editing pages in the [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]].
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===Knowledge Base===

'''What's New?''' [[H*R.com updates]] - the most recent updates to homestarrunner.com.

*[[Toons]]
**[[Strong Bad Email]]
**[[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]
**[[Teen Girl Squad]]
** [[Powered By The Cheat]]
** [[Puppet Stuff]]
** [[Holiday Toons]]
*[[Games]]
*[[Characters]]
*[[Places]]
*[[Items]]
*[[Downloads]]
*[[Store]]
*[[Email]]
*[[Legal]]
*[[Main Pages]]
**[[Quote of the Week]]
**[[Weekly Fanstuff]]
**[[Sketchbook]]
*[[Museum]]
*[[Songs]]
*[[Secret Pages]] that are currently not accessible from any page on the official site.
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===Wiki Stuff===
*[[Special:Listusers|List of registered wiki users]]
*[[Links]] to other pages about Homestar Runner
*[[Quotes]]
*[[Glossary]]
*[[Inside Jokes]]
*[[Rejects]]: We're not sure what they are
*[[Sightings]]: Pop-culture sightings of H*R stuff
*[[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]] - Interested in contributing to the Wiki or transcribing toons? Read this first.
*[[HRWiki:Ledger|Ledger]] of donations and payments for the wiki
*[[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]] we're currently working on
*[[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]: Play around and learn how to edit pages.
*[[WikiTroll]]: Definition and known offenders
*[[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]]: The Homestar Runner Wiki Official Welcoming committee, dedicated to welcoming new members
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*[http://www.homestarrunner.com The Official Homestar Runner Website]
*[http://forum.hrwiki.org The Homestar Runner Wiki Forum]
*[http://chat.hrwiki.org The Homestar Runner Wiki Chat]
*[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Index The MediaWiki User's Guide], to help you adjust.
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Talk:Main Page

James — Sat, 20 Nov 2004 01:26:58 GMT

James: new format?

== Links to toons/pages ==

''This has been refactored.'' There was some discussion about whether "External Links" should go at the top or bottom of the page. A few people liked having them at the top for easy access to H*R.com, but it was eventually decided that they should go at the bottom, following Wikipedia's example.

== Screenshots ==
''This has been refactored.'' It would be nice if we could figure out how to make the screenshots on toon/email pages into thumbnails. This would get them out of the way so that content isn't pushed too far down the page. We need (read: Joey needs) to talk to our host about getting Image::Magick installed on the server before that will be possible.

== Upload file ==
''This has been refactored.'' There is some concern that some members of our community (or outsiders for that matter) will upload unnecessary or innappropriate images. It was decided that they could link to them just as easily as they could download them, and it's better for the images to be hosted here than free sites that may be unstable. Bandwidth is not really an issue, though it probably would spike if we allowed uploads (and consequently a lot of image downloads) from our server. There are a number of special pages we can use to monitor uploads so they will not get out of hand: [[Special:Imagelist]], [[Special:Unusedimages]].
:Is there any way to make GIF an allowed format? I don't like GIF any more than the next guy, but it's useful sometimes. For example, the 'tear' icon from [[Strong Sad's Lament]] is an animated GIF, and I'd like to upload it for posterity (since the Lydia one fell off the face of the Earth).

::We can't upload GIF's? I had no idea. I'll look into it. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 08:54, 26 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Adding the rest of the stuff ==
Okay, I did a few tweaks on AgentSeethroo's addition. We have to figure out a few things:
#How to list the Characters on the [[Characters]] page. I know the few characters we have setup now were done with categories. I don't know how we are going to get them all (secondary etc.) on one page.
#I indented the 3 Features. They are under Toons, but I know they deserve a spot on the Main Menu... any other suggestions on how to do that?
#Rejects/Everything Else - what to call the page. Or even if we need that page. Should we just list everything on the Characters page under several headings? And we have to figure out what the categories are going to be.
Ideas everyone? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:10, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay...
#I'm not a huge fan of the Character page on the old wiki, but we may have to do something similar due to the amount of character "aliases" or whatever...I'll have to think about that for a little bit.
#I think the indention is okay, but it's the only thing on the page that's indented. It makes it look kinda wierd. I also thought the [[Features]] link was gonna get ditched from the main page? Maybe I got lost sometime...
#This is gonna take some discussion I think. I think it should go byebye, and if anyone makes ANY pages that could be deemed NOT canon or not very important, like ANYTHING in rejects, it goes under the category of Misc. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 09:55, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Yeah, we need to get Joey in on this discussion. I know he had some great ideas that seem to escape me at the moment. And you are right about the indent. But maybe we could have other indents?

Some of these pages are pretty big. I know that games page might work as two pages. Then an "Old Games" page could be indented underneath or something. Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:39, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::I think that characters can be broken down, as well as games. Maybe even places...maybe...
But I don't wanna randomly start indenting and cluttering things up, either... Joey? -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 12:14, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hm. Does ''every'' character have to go on the Characters page? I think rejected characters shouldn't even show up on the Characters page. If they are linked to from the toons/emails they appear in, or if someone references them in comments, then that's fine. The pages for Rejects should be created, but they need to be designated as stubs. Or, perhaps we can have a "Disputed Characters" category (or whatever name was decided on in that poll a while back, and then create a "Disputed Characters" template that says something like, "The validity of this character is in question. If you feel that this character should be considered for placement within the 'Characters' category, discuss it on the talk page." --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::I agree. Keep them off the Characters page, and create a category for them at most. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:07, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::::Yeah, keep them off the Characters page. But okay then, we need to set up a good system of rules to determine what's going to go in that category/on that page, and say... what's an Inside Joke. And I like the template idea. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:19, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::::And quit asking for my input. I trust you guys. Do what you feel is proper. As for the "features" link, it should go. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:43, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Sketchbook? ==
I just had a thought...should we have the [[Sketchbook]] here on the main page, since it's being updated weekly (or so), or will it only be in the museum?

:That's a good question. We were behind a few weeks when they started doing the Weekly Fanstuff, because we didn't know they weren't going to archive it. I say as long as we have it somewhere and record it for now, we're good either way. If it becomes as regular as Weekly Fanstuff or the Quote of the Week, then we can add it to a more prominent place. I guess. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:13, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:: I do'd it anyway! HA! How's it look? Someone was keepin' up with it already, so I just moverized it.-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:41, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Wiki Stuff ==
Okay, now that that's kinda settled...How are we gonna format the WikiStuff section of the main page? I know not everything will be included in this new wiki, but some stuff needs a place, like HelpDesk and WikiSandbox and whatnot. Do we just follow the same formatting as the old wiki, even though it may be like 5 links and that's it? Is it possible to make a sidebar links thingy that'd show up on every page? That'd be awesome, and it'd set us apart a little more.
Also, half of the pages that we linked on the main page make me wanna barf. I wonder why we never looked these things over periodically? I mean the downloads page, on a scale of 1 to 10 is horrible.5. There's gonna have to be some major overhauling of most those pages to make them look WAY more professional. I'd like to make this a site that TBC can NOT ignore, ya know?
-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:58, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Ah, very good questions. MediaWiki has these things called "[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace Namespace]s". For example the "Category:" part of the link puts the page in the "Category" namespace. Our Wiki's namespace for pages like the sandbox and stuff would go under "Homestar Runner Wiki:" just like the [[Homestar Runner Wiki:General disclaimer]] and [[Homestar Runner Wiki:FAQ]] pages. The HelpDesk is in the "Help:" namespace. See [[Help:Contents]]. Also, a lot of that is under the "Special:" namespace: [[Special:Allpages|Allpages]], [[Special:Listusers|Listusers]], [[Special:Ipblocklist|Ipblocklist]], and so on. We can put stuff over there on the sidebar too. And yes, some of those pages are totally "barf" as you say. I couldn't agree with you more. Maybe someone else has some suggestions on all this... Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:29, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ==
The Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ''really'' needs to be shortened to just HRWiki. Sewiously. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 01:16, 14 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Any idea how I do that? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:04, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. I think I've made the change, but things are still pointing to the wrong places. Check out the "Search" page. The namespace is called the right thing there. However, the "About" and "Disclaimers" pages still point to "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:About" and "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:General_Disclaimer". I'm also looking into changing the name of "Current events" to "H*R.com updates" and making the "Community portal" link a "WikiForum" link instead. On a related note, I found a really useful page for the admins: [[Special:Allmessages]]. This lets us change all of the various system messages. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, I'm a confused kid right now. I've edited at least three of the system messages, but they aren't changing. I've changed them from the [[Special:Allmessages]] page and directly in the Languages.php file. What the heck am I doing wrong?? Specifically, I'm talking about the "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning" pages. Here's where I learned about this: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_namespace. Help! --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:47, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::Okay, our case-change stuff messed up more than I thought it would. Apparently, while I was editing "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning", I should've been editing "Portal", "Portal-url", and "Copyrightwarning". I wonder if there's some way we can limit our case-change stuff to just the HRWiki namespace. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hmm, now the WikiForum link links to a Wiki page called "http://forum..." Hrm.

== Let's Open 'er Up ==
So, lately I've had this horribly sick feeling that things have gone all wrong. This wiki is a community, and therefore a project like this should be done as a community. What we should do, above anything, is get things ready to be opened up. I'd like to see our community finish moving emails, toons, and characters (maybe I'm just lazy, but I really do feel that this is a matter of principle).

I know some of you might be freaking out and thinking that we can't trust our users to move stuff the right way, but think about this: This community has worked so far precisely because we have given everyone the freedom to edit any document. This is the wiki way! If we don't trust our community to get things right, why is this even a wiki in the first place? We might as well just have a normal website maintained by the dozen of us that are working on this migration right now.

So, what we really need to do is all the stuff that's necessary for this place to be operational. We need to build the documentation, make sure all the namespaces and options are set up the way we want them, etc. What do you guys think of this? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:31, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay, this is a little scary. I think for the mostpart, you're right, but we still have to issue of page load. If we open up both the old wiki and the new wiki to everybody, things are going to slow to a crawl again. Can you think of any solution to this? Also, I'm afraid we'll have tons of collision problems with lots of people working on the same documents at the same time. And a lot of people are going to try to copy-and-past things the lazy way, without taking the time to fix links, etc. I agree that this should be a community effort, but I think we have to resolve those issues first. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::I know you guys know I'm against opening it up. We don't even have any of our help page written yet. Or have the copyrights worked out: we have one place that says GNU and one place that says CC. And Jones is right about that page load. and the everyone doing everything at once thing. Just some more stuff to think about.
::As to the problem Joey's dealing with: our not giving everyone the freedom to edit... I think that would create more problems. Joey's right, giving everyone editing rights makes the wiki better, but that happens over a longer period of time. Right now we have to think on the short term. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::I agree with the Tom and Jones. This place is still a wiki, people will still be able to edit it when it opens up. Lettin' everyone on right now, even to help, would be kinda like lettin' a bunch of kids into an amusement park before it's finished and saying "You have to help us finish, though." There. My two cents. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 08:34, 31 Aug 2004 (MST)

== CSS Tweaks ==
Joey, could you increase the paragraph (P tags) spacing in the CSS? It's a little difficult to make out paragraph boundaries right now. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Working on it... --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Done. Sorry it took me so long. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Case issues ==
I just noticed something that might be an issue. Since we made case matter (for the emails), we now have the issue of [[Ballad of the Sneak]] and [[Ballad of The Sneak]] (and every other case variation) being two completely distinct pages. Is this going to be a problem? -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:39, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:This is already a problem on Wikipedia for any word after the first word. For instance, try looking up "George bush". We'll (and when I say we, I'm talking about the whole community, not just us admins) just have to pay close attention and create redirects where necessary -- at least until all the links can be fixed. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:56, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Okay, "George bush" is a bad example because there's already a redirect. Try "Greek orthodox". --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:57, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, no probalo. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]

::::Yeah, we have this issue with [[The Paper]] and [[The paper]]. I think Joey did the redirect for that. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Flash file links ==
Okay, so this has kinda been buggin' me for a while. Whoever first called it "watch this video in fullscreen" obviously had no idea they were linking to the actual raw flash file. Since then, we've continued to call it "watch this video in fullscreen". Can we change it to "download the flash file of this video", or something more meaningful? What do you think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:34, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Hm, I guess you're right. Though I wish you'd mentioned it before I did all the toons. :D Anyway, "download" isn't quite the right term, since it'll just play in most people's browsers. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:52, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. It downloads in Firefox, but I guess that's probably a preference setting. "view the flash file"? "watch the flash file"? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::"view the Flash file" seems good to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 11:32, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::We could use a template, like: <nowiki>[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail50.swf Download the Flash file] {{swf}}</nowiki>, and the <nowiki>{{swf}}</nowiki> prints a small boilerplate saying it may download the Flash file or it may instead view it in "fullscreen". - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 13:48, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Convertulator suggestions ==

StrongBadEmail should be automagically changed to [[Strong Bad Email]]. Anyplace where StrongBadEmail/ appears, it should be removed, so [[StrongBadEmail/flashback]] automagically becomes [[flashback]]. Only problem would be links like this: [[StrongBadEmail/flashback|flashback]]. They would turn out like this: [[flashback|flashback]], which I suppose isn't a big deal, but it's unnecessary bloat. We'll just have to watch for those. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:39, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've implemented your suggestions. However, I did find one small bug. If you have a (()) Wiki link that itself is in parentheses, e.g. "(((Some Page)) here)", the Convertulator will convert the first pair of parentheses, yielding <nowiki>[[(Some Page]] here)</nowiki>. There's no easy fix for this, so unfortunately we'll just have to just be on the lookout for it. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 14:17, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Characters featured ==

While adding Filmography categories, I noticed something. The featured characters lists don't seem to be in any particular order. I've been alphabetizing for the filmography categories, but I think the "Featured:" list should be in order of appearance. Maybe it should say...

'''Cast (in order of appearance): [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]], [[Homsar (character)|Homsar]]'''

What do you guys think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:53, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've always tried to do them in order of appearance. Seems like a good standard to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:54, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Navigation links on left ==

Two, maybe three of the nav links on the left have odd tooltips.

*'''Main Page''' - Visit the main page [alt-z]
**This is fine.
*'''Strong Bad Email''' - About the project, what you can do, where to find things
**Obviously this isn't what it is at all.
*'''H*R.com updates''' - Find background information on current events
**And nor is this ''really''.
*'''Recent changes''' - The list of recent changes in the wiki. [alt-r]
**Also fine.
*'''Random page''' - Load a random page. [alt-x]
**Also fine.
*'''Help''' - The place to find out.
**Slightly odd?

Also, we probably ought to have shortcuts for everything or nothing.

:Very good catch. I didn't even notice that the alt text was still set for the default links that used to be there. We also need to get the external links to the WikiForum and the WikiChat there as well. Thanks for the heads up, "84.9.23.83". -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:34, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

:You're welcome! I've got myself a proper account now. - [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 11:00, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Inside jokes ==

Why are [[Inside Jokes]] classified as "wiki stuff"? They are part of the content of H*R, and do not refer to the workings of the wiki. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 00:31, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I guess [[Rejects]] are in that same catagory. Plus things like the glossary just kind of float somewhere in between. I think some reformatting of the section definitions are in order, as long as the Main Page is recieving an overhaul. Any additional design suggestions? -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:35, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I was just doing some more thinking, and what about having the Knowledge Base contain ONLY the things listed on the H*R main page(s), and put everything left over into Wiki Stuff. Basically it would look something like this, and would have the added bonus of evening the two sections out, leaving External Links on the bottom...

* [[Toons]]
** [[Strong Bad Email]]
** [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]
** [[Teen Girl Squad]]
** [[Powered By The Cheat]]
** [[Puppet Stuff]]
** [[Holiday Toons]]
* [[Games]]
* [[Characters]]
* [[Downloads]]
* [[Store]]
* [[Email]]
* [[Legal]]
* [[Main Pages]]
** [[Weekly Fanstuff]]
** [[Quote of the Week]]
** [[Sketchbook]]
* [[Museum]]
* [[Secret Pages]]

Then this to the right of it: (Perhaps the first part in an additional section)

* [[Places]]
* [[Items]]
* [[Songs]]
* [[Quotes]]
* [[Glossary]]
* [[Inside Jokes]]
* [[Rejects]]
(Perhaps another section here?)
* [[Special:Listusers|List of registered wiki users]]
* [[Links]]
* [[Sightings]]
* [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]]
* [[HRWiki:Ledger|Ledger]]
* [[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]]
* [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]
* [[WikiTroll]]
* [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]]

Then the external links in another catergory. Does anyone like this idea? I think it draws a clearer distinction between things organized by the site, and additional Knowledge sorted by the Wiki. I think a clearer illustration would be that the Knowlege base is simply the 10 vegetables, and the Wiki Stuff is all the different salads they can be made into. Does anyone understand this very abstract illustration? As of now there is no clear line drawn, and many pages float in between. At the very least pages like [[Inside Jokes]] and [[Songs]] seem to be in the same catergory and in my opinion should be sorted accordingly. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:48, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

The Wiki Stuff should be for all the internal housekeeping pages like help pages, list of Trolls, ongoing projects and the like. The material that branches out from the core H*R content like [[Sightings]] can be grouped together, but they are not Wiki specific things. -[[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 12:44, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Then what about renaming the section, or even adding a seperate section? Perhaps name that one something like... 'Base Knowledge', and the other one like 'Secondary Knowledge', or something like that. Then have Wiki Troll, Ledger, Ect. under 'Wiki Stuff'. Or move EVERYTHING H*R related to Knowlege base, including Inside Jokes, ect, but that would make the menu look very offset... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 12:58, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Does anybody have an opinion about my idea? I think it's a good layout... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 22:56, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

== New Format = <strike>Banners</strike>? ==

I like the new format, it does make the title screen smaller, and more... colorful, I guess, but what happened to those cool banners? Any way to incorporate them into the design at the tops of the boxes? They really gave the main page a distinct look, and I would like to see them live again. If they don't fit, could whoever made them maybe remake one or two for a custom fit? I dunno, just a suggestion. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:28, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also as long as we're on the topic of the new format, what about moving the External Links to below the Wiki Stuff section? There's alot of unused space there. Might even get the page to one screen, without scrolling. Plus should anyone put the explanations of the links back? There seems to be a lack of explanations, only half the links have them. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:32, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Ah ha. I uploaded the banners to [[:Image:officialsite-banner.png]], [[:Image:wikipages-banner.png]], and [[:Image:externallinks-banner.png]]. I'm hoping that someone will come up with something similar that will work with this format. I'm thinking the width should be limited to around 100px.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:16, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I don't see what was wrong with a lil' scrolling. I'm taking this very harshly. It was my only reminder of the old wiki. --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 14:08, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:It reminds me a lot of Wikipedia. Maybe to much. I'm thinkin' we need something to "liven" the page up a bit, maybe like an official "Homestar Runner Wiki" banner across the top of the page. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

== Other New Format comments ==

Oh, god, I looked at the new format and I almost lost my lunch. It's so ugly! I really think the old banners should be back! Is there a way we can get them back?

[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 17:04, 17 Nov 2004

I agree, the Banners are needed. Any way to put them along the tops of the colored boxes, even custom stretching them to fit? I think that would look rather good. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 16:33, 17 Nov 2004 (

:It's not that big of a deal. If you puked over this, I'd hate to ride a Tilt-A-Whirl with you. Get over it. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::I'm starting to notice a pattern of people percieving improvements as being evil here, first with the switchover from Tavi to this, then the reformatting of the front page. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 02:53, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::If there's one thing that never changes, it's that people are afraid of change, no matter how much it improves their lives. Never try to give your grandma a new TV. Anyway, the banners aren't gone for good. The ones we were using just don't fit in the new layout. And just so we're clear: messing about with the front page just because you "liked it better before" is trolling and will be handled as such. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

::uh, how does this change improve my life? I guess the layout is more functional, but as for improvement, I don't think it really adds anything to the site.

::: I agree. It looks more crowded and ugly. Needs more color, like the homestar runner website. Keeping the new layout is fine, we just need smaller banners. (Btw, why is keeping the old layout trolling, yet putting up a worse layout not? I agree with your point, I just find that statement a very harsh thing that goes agenst the wiki spirit.) Also, this layout looks like crap at 800x600 --[[User:James|James]] 13:52, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)
::::The reason reverting to the old layout is trolling is quite simple: Tom (one of the mods) is the one that did the redesign, and since the mods have the most say in how the Wiki is set up, they have authority. Changing it back because you don't like this new version, therefore, is showing contempt for the mods and so on and so forth. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 14:58, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::::What about coming up with a better design that everyone likes? Is this ok? --[[User:James|James]] 18:22, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::Can't we settle this with a vote? --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 18:17, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::I don't know. Whichever wins, a whole mess of people would be mad. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::Afraid of change, no. Liked the banners, yes. :( --[[User:Southpaw018|Southpaw018]] 21:47, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::The banners were awesome and the new design is awful. I downloaded the banners (thanks Tom) and I am willing to make new ones (that's part of what I do for a living). I will make a couple and see what everyone thinks.-[[User:YourFuzzyGod|YourFuzzyGod]]

::I'll help if you need it. I made the origenal banners that started this whole thing off anyway. :-) --[[User:James|James]] 14:46, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::DONE! Here is one --> [[:Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]. I kept the theme of the old banners. If there are any changes you would like to see, tell me. Let me know if you want to use these and I will make the other two.-[[User:YourFuzzyGod|YourFuzzyGod]]

Also, it is really annoying that the "knowledge base" frame is about 10% bigger than the "Wiki Stuff" frame. Why is this?-[[User:YourFuzzyGod|YourFuzzyGod]]

::Yes! I've been noticing this and it's driving me up the wall. If anything, the "Wiki stuff" frame should be bigger simply because there is more text that wraps on it. Having it smaller then "Knowledge base" is retarded, mostly since the "Knowledge base" frame has very little text that extends all the way to the border. --[[User:James|James]] 18:21, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

I just did a quick preview of the main page with equal frames and it looks so much better then when it's 10% off. Theres absolutely no reason I see for the 10% diffrence. Or is there something I'm missing? --[[User:James|James]] 18:26, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

Talk:Main Page

James — Sat, 20 Nov 2004 01:22:50 GMT

James: new design?

== Links to toons/pages ==

''This has been refactored.'' There was some discussion about whether "External Links" should go at the top or bottom of the page. A few people liked having them at the top for easy access to H*R.com, but it was eventually decided that they should go at the bottom, following Wikipedia's example.

== Screenshots ==
''This has been refactored.'' It would be nice if we could figure out how to make the screenshots on toon/email pages into thumbnails. This would get them out of the way so that content isn't pushed too far down the page. We need (read: Joey needs) to talk to our host about getting Image::Magick installed on the server before that will be possible.

== Upload file ==
''This has been refactored.'' There is some concern that some members of our community (or outsiders for that matter) will upload unnecessary or innappropriate images. It was decided that they could link to them just as easily as they could download them, and it's better for the images to be hosted here than free sites that may be unstable. Bandwidth is not really an issue, though it probably would spike if we allowed uploads (and consequently a lot of image downloads) from our server. There are a number of special pages we can use to monitor uploads so they will not get out of hand: [[Special:Imagelist]], [[Special:Unusedimages]].
:Is there any way to make GIF an allowed format? I don't like GIF any more than the next guy, but it's useful sometimes. For example, the 'tear' icon from [[Strong Sad's Lament]] is an animated GIF, and I'd like to upload it for posterity (since the Lydia one fell off the face of the Earth).

::We can't upload GIF's? I had no idea. I'll look into it. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 08:54, 26 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Adding the rest of the stuff ==
Okay, I did a few tweaks on AgentSeethroo's addition. We have to figure out a few things:
#How to list the Characters on the [[Characters]] page. I know the few characters we have setup now were done with categories. I don't know how we are going to get them all (secondary etc.) on one page.
#I indented the 3 Features. They are under Toons, but I know they deserve a spot on the Main Menu... any other suggestions on how to do that?
#Rejects/Everything Else - what to call the page. Or even if we need that page. Should we just list everything on the Characters page under several headings? And we have to figure out what the categories are going to be.
Ideas everyone? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:10, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay...
#I'm not a huge fan of the Character page on the old wiki, but we may have to do something similar due to the amount of character "aliases" or whatever...I'll have to think about that for a little bit.
#I think the indention is okay, but it's the only thing on the page that's indented. It makes it look kinda wierd. I also thought the [[Features]] link was gonna get ditched from the main page? Maybe I got lost sometime...
#This is gonna take some discussion I think. I think it should go byebye, and if anyone makes ANY pages that could be deemed NOT canon or not very important, like ANYTHING in rejects, it goes under the category of Misc. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 09:55, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Yeah, we need to get Joey in on this discussion. I know he had some great ideas that seem to escape me at the moment. And you are right about the indent. But maybe we could have other indents?

Some of these pages are pretty big. I know that games page might work as two pages. Then an "Old Games" page could be indented underneath or something. Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:39, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::I think that characters can be broken down, as well as games. Maybe even places...maybe...
But I don't wanna randomly start indenting and cluttering things up, either... Joey? -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 12:14, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hm. Does ''every'' character have to go on the Characters page? I think rejected characters shouldn't even show up on the Characters page. If they are linked to from the toons/emails they appear in, or if someone references them in comments, then that's fine. The pages for Rejects should be created, but they need to be designated as stubs. Or, perhaps we can have a "Disputed Characters" category (or whatever name was decided on in that poll a while back, and then create a "Disputed Characters" template that says something like, "The validity of this character is in question. If you feel that this character should be considered for placement within the 'Characters' category, discuss it on the talk page." --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::I agree. Keep them off the Characters page, and create a category for them at most. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:07, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::::Yeah, keep them off the Characters page. But okay then, we need to set up a good system of rules to determine what's going to go in that category/on that page, and say... what's an Inside Joke. And I like the template idea. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:19, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::::And quit asking for my input. I trust you guys. Do what you feel is proper. As for the "features" link, it should go. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:43, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Sketchbook? ==
I just had a thought...should we have the [[Sketchbook]] here on the main page, since it's being updated weekly (or so), or will it only be in the museum?

:That's a good question. We were behind a few weeks when they started doing the Weekly Fanstuff, because we didn't know they weren't going to archive it. I say as long as we have it somewhere and record it for now, we're good either way. If it becomes as regular as Weekly Fanstuff or the Quote of the Week, then we can add it to a more prominent place. I guess. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:13, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:: I do'd it anyway! HA! How's it look? Someone was keepin' up with it already, so I just moverized it.-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:41, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Wiki Stuff ==
Okay, now that that's kinda settled...How are we gonna format the WikiStuff section of the main page? I know not everything will be included in this new wiki, but some stuff needs a place, like HelpDesk and WikiSandbox and whatnot. Do we just follow the same formatting as the old wiki, even though it may be like 5 links and that's it? Is it possible to make a sidebar links thingy that'd show up on every page? That'd be awesome, and it'd set us apart a little more.
Also, half of the pages that we linked on the main page make me wanna barf. I wonder why we never looked these things over periodically? I mean the downloads page, on a scale of 1 to 10 is horrible.5. There's gonna have to be some major overhauling of most those pages to make them look WAY more professional. I'd like to make this a site that TBC can NOT ignore, ya know?
-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:58, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Ah, very good questions. MediaWiki has these things called "[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace Namespace]s". For example the "Category:" part of the link puts the page in the "Category" namespace. Our Wiki's namespace for pages like the sandbox and stuff would go under "Homestar Runner Wiki:" just like the [[Homestar Runner Wiki:General disclaimer]] and [[Homestar Runner Wiki:FAQ]] pages. The HelpDesk is in the "Help:" namespace. See [[Help:Contents]]. Also, a lot of that is under the "Special:" namespace: [[Special:Allpages|Allpages]], [[Special:Listusers|Listusers]], [[Special:Ipblocklist|Ipblocklist]], and so on. We can put stuff over there on the sidebar too. And yes, some of those pages are totally "barf" as you say. I couldn't agree with you more. Maybe someone else has some suggestions on all this... Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:29, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ==
The Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ''really'' needs to be shortened to just HRWiki. Sewiously. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 01:16, 14 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Any idea how I do that? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:04, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. I think I've made the change, but things are still pointing to the wrong places. Check out the "Search" page. The namespace is called the right thing there. However, the "About" and "Disclaimers" pages still point to "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:About" and "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:General_Disclaimer". I'm also looking into changing the name of "Current events" to "H*R.com updates" and making the "Community portal" link a "WikiForum" link instead. On a related note, I found a really useful page for the admins: [[Special:Allmessages]]. This lets us change all of the various system messages. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, I'm a confused kid right now. I've edited at least three of the system messages, but they aren't changing. I've changed them from the [[Special:Allmessages]] page and directly in the Languages.php file. What the heck am I doing wrong?? Specifically, I'm talking about the "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning" pages. Here's where I learned about this: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_namespace. Help! --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:47, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::Okay, our case-change stuff messed up more than I thought it would. Apparently, while I was editing "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning", I should've been editing "Portal", "Portal-url", and "Copyrightwarning". I wonder if there's some way we can limit our case-change stuff to just the HRWiki namespace. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hmm, now the WikiForum link links to a Wiki page called "http://forum..." Hrm.

== Let's Open 'er Up ==
So, lately I've had this horribly sick feeling that things have gone all wrong. This wiki is a community, and therefore a project like this should be done as a community. What we should do, above anything, is get things ready to be opened up. I'd like to see our community finish moving emails, toons, and characters (maybe I'm just lazy, but I really do feel that this is a matter of principle).

I know some of you might be freaking out and thinking that we can't trust our users to move stuff the right way, but think about this: This community has worked so far precisely because we have given everyone the freedom to edit any document. This is the wiki way! If we don't trust our community to get things right, why is this even a wiki in the first place? We might as well just have a normal website maintained by the dozen of us that are working on this migration right now.

So, what we really need to do is all the stuff that's necessary for this place to be operational. We need to build the documentation, make sure all the namespaces and options are set up the way we want them, etc. What do you guys think of this? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:31, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay, this is a little scary. I think for the mostpart, you're right, but we still have to issue of page load. If we open up both the old wiki and the new wiki to everybody, things are going to slow to a crawl again. Can you think of any solution to this? Also, I'm afraid we'll have tons of collision problems with lots of people working on the same documents at the same time. And a lot of people are going to try to copy-and-past things the lazy way, without taking the time to fix links, etc. I agree that this should be a community effort, but I think we have to resolve those issues first. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::I know you guys know I'm against opening it up. We don't even have any of our help page written yet. Or have the copyrights worked out: we have one place that says GNU and one place that says CC. And Jones is right about that page load. and the everyone doing everything at once thing. Just some more stuff to think about.
::As to the problem Joey's dealing with: our not giving everyone the freedom to edit... I think that would create more problems. Joey's right, giving everyone editing rights makes the wiki better, but that happens over a longer period of time. Right now we have to think on the short term. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::I agree with the Tom and Jones. This place is still a wiki, people will still be able to edit it when it opens up. Lettin' everyone on right now, even to help, would be kinda like lettin' a bunch of kids into an amusement park before it's finished and saying "You have to help us finish, though." There. My two cents. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 08:34, 31 Aug 2004 (MST)

== CSS Tweaks ==
Joey, could you increase the paragraph (P tags) spacing in the CSS? It's a little difficult to make out paragraph boundaries right now. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Working on it... --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Done. Sorry it took me so long. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Case issues ==
I just noticed something that might be an issue. Since we made case matter (for the emails), we now have the issue of [[Ballad of the Sneak]] and [[Ballad of The Sneak]] (and every other case variation) being two completely distinct pages. Is this going to be a problem? -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:39, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:This is already a problem on Wikipedia for any word after the first word. For instance, try looking up "George bush". We'll (and when I say we, I'm talking about the whole community, not just us admins) just have to pay close attention and create redirects where necessary -- at least until all the links can be fixed. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:56, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Okay, "George bush" is a bad example because there's already a redirect. Try "Greek orthodox". --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:57, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, no probalo. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]

::::Yeah, we have this issue with [[The Paper]] and [[The paper]]. I think Joey did the redirect for that. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Flash file links ==
Okay, so this has kinda been buggin' me for a while. Whoever first called it "watch this video in fullscreen" obviously had no idea they were linking to the actual raw flash file. Since then, we've continued to call it "watch this video in fullscreen". Can we change it to "download the flash file of this video", or something more meaningful? What do you think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:34, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Hm, I guess you're right. Though I wish you'd mentioned it before I did all the toons. :D Anyway, "download" isn't quite the right term, since it'll just play in most people's browsers. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:52, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. It downloads in Firefox, but I guess that's probably a preference setting. "view the flash file"? "watch the flash file"? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::"view the Flash file" seems good to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 11:32, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::We could use a template, like: <nowiki>[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail50.swf Download the Flash file] {{swf}}</nowiki>, and the <nowiki>{{swf}}</nowiki> prints a small boilerplate saying it may download the Flash file or it may instead view it in "fullscreen". - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 13:48, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Convertulator suggestions ==

StrongBadEmail should be automagically changed to [[Strong Bad Email]]. Anyplace where StrongBadEmail/ appears, it should be removed, so [[StrongBadEmail/flashback]] automagically becomes [[flashback]]. Only problem would be links like this: [[StrongBadEmail/flashback|flashback]]. They would turn out like this: [[flashback|flashback]], which I suppose isn't a big deal, but it's unnecessary bloat. We'll just have to watch for those. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:39, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've implemented your suggestions. However, I did find one small bug. If you have a (()) Wiki link that itself is in parentheses, e.g. "(((Some Page)) here)", the Convertulator will convert the first pair of parentheses, yielding <nowiki>[[(Some Page]] here)</nowiki>. There's no easy fix for this, so unfortunately we'll just have to just be on the lookout for it. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 14:17, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Characters featured ==

While adding Filmography categories, I noticed something. The featured characters lists don't seem to be in any particular order. I've been alphabetizing for the filmography categories, but I think the "Featured:" list should be in order of appearance. Maybe it should say...

'''Cast (in order of appearance): [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]], [[Homsar (character)|Homsar]]'''

What do you guys think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:53, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've always tried to do them in order of appearance. Seems like a good standard to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:54, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Navigation links on left ==

Two, maybe three of the nav links on the left have odd tooltips.

*'''Main Page''' - Visit the main page [alt-z]
**This is fine.
*'''Strong Bad Email''' - About the project, what you can do, where to find things
**Obviously this isn't what it is at all.
*'''H*R.com updates''' - Find background information on current events
**And nor is this ''really''.
*'''Recent changes''' - The list of recent changes in the wiki. [alt-r]
**Also fine.
*'''Random page''' - Load a random page. [alt-x]
**Also fine.
*'''Help''' - The place to find out.
**Slightly odd?

Also, we probably ought to have shortcuts for everything or nothing.

:Very good catch. I didn't even notice that the alt text was still set for the default links that used to be there. We also need to get the external links to the WikiForum and the WikiChat there as well. Thanks for the heads up, "84.9.23.83". -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:34, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

:You're welcome! I've got myself a proper account now. - [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 11:00, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Inside jokes ==

Why are [[Inside Jokes]] classified as "wiki stuff"? They are part of the content of H*R, and do not refer to the workings of the wiki. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 00:31, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I guess [[Rejects]] are in that same catagory. Plus things like the glossary just kind of float somewhere in between. I think some reformatting of the section definitions are in order, as long as the Main Page is recieving an overhaul. Any additional design suggestions? -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:35, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I was just doing some more thinking, and what about having the Knowledge Base contain ONLY the things listed on the H*R main page(s), and put everything left over into Wiki Stuff. Basically it would look something like this, and would have the added bonus of evening the two sections out, leaving External Links on the bottom...

* [[Toons]]
** [[Strong Bad Email]]
** [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]
** [[Teen Girl Squad]]
** [[Powered By The Cheat]]
** [[Puppet Stuff]]
** [[Holiday Toons]]
* [[Games]]
* [[Characters]]
* [[Downloads]]
* [[Store]]
* [[Email]]
* [[Legal]]
* [[Main Pages]]
** [[Weekly Fanstuff]]
** [[Quote of the Week]]
** [[Sketchbook]]
* [[Museum]]
* [[Secret Pages]]

Then this to the right of it: (Perhaps the first part in an additional section)

* [[Places]]
* [[Items]]
* [[Songs]]
* [[Quotes]]
* [[Glossary]]
* [[Inside Jokes]]
* [[Rejects]]
(Perhaps another section here?)
* [[Special:Listusers|List of registered wiki users]]
* [[Links]]
* [[Sightings]]
* [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]]
* [[HRWiki:Ledger|Ledger]]
* [[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]]
* [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]
* [[WikiTroll]]
* [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]]

Then the external links in another catergory. Does anyone like this idea? I think it draws a clearer distinction between things organized by the site, and additional Knowledge sorted by the Wiki. I think a clearer illustration would be that the Knowlege base is simply the 10 vegetables, and the Wiki Stuff is all the different salads they can be made into. Does anyone understand this very abstract illustration? As of now there is no clear line drawn, and many pages float in between. At the very least pages like [[Inside Jokes]] and [[Songs]] seem to be in the same catergory and in my opinion should be sorted accordingly. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:48, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

The Wiki Stuff should be for all the internal housekeeping pages like help pages, list of Trolls, ongoing projects and the like. The material that branches out from the core H*R content like [[Sightings]] can be grouped together, but they are not Wiki specific things. -[[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 12:44, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Then what about renaming the section, or even adding a seperate section? Perhaps name that one something like... 'Base Knowledge', and the other one like 'Secondary Knowledge', or something like that. Then have Wiki Troll, Ledger, Ect. under 'Wiki Stuff'. Or move EVERYTHING H*R related to Knowlege base, including Inside Jokes, ect, but that would make the menu look very offset... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 12:58, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Does anybody have an opinion about my idea? I think it's a good layout... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 22:56, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

== New Format = <strike>Banners</strike>? ==

I like the new format, it does make the title screen smaller, and more... colorful, I guess, but what happened to those cool banners? Any way to incorporate them into the design at the tops of the boxes? They really gave the main page a distinct look, and I would like to see them live again. If they don't fit, could whoever made them maybe remake one or two for a custom fit? I dunno, just a suggestion. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:28, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also as long as we're on the topic of the new format, what about moving the External Links to below the Wiki Stuff section? There's alot of unused space there. Might even get the page to one screen, without scrolling. Plus should anyone put the explanations of the links back? There seems to be a lack of explanations, only half the links have them. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:32, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Ah ha. I uploaded the banners to [[:Image:officialsite-banner.png]], [[:Image:wikipages-banner.png]], and [[:Image:externallinks-banner.png]]. I'm hoping that someone will come up with something similar that will work with this format. I'm thinking the width should be limited to around 100px.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:16, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I don't see what was wrong with a lil' scrolling. I'm taking this very harshly. It was my only reminder of the old wiki. --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 14:08, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:It reminds me a lot of Wikipedia. Maybe to much. I'm thinkin' we need something to "liven" the page up a bit, maybe like an official "Homestar Runner Wiki" banner across the top of the page. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

== Other New Format comments ==

Oh, god, I looked at the new format and I almost lost my lunch. It's so ugly! I really think the old banners should be back! Is there a way we can get them back?

[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 17:04, 17 Nov 2004

I agree, the Banners are needed. Any way to put them along the tops of the colored boxes, even custom stretching them to fit? I think that would look rather good. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 16:33, 17 Nov 2004 (

:It's not that big of a deal. If you puked over this, I'd hate to ride a Tilt-A-Whirl with you. Get over it. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::I'm starting to notice a pattern of people percieving improvements as being evil here, first with the switchover from Tavi to this, then the reformatting of the front page. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 02:53, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::If there's one thing that never changes, it's that people are afraid of change, no matter how much it improves their lives. Never try to give your grandma a new TV. Anyway, the banners aren't gone for good. The ones we were using just don't fit in the new layout. And just so we're clear: messing about with the front page just because you "liked it better before" is trolling and will be handled as such. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

::uh, how does this change improve my life? I guess the layout is more functional, but as for improvement, I don't think it really adds anything to the site.

::: I agree. It looks more crowded and ugly. Needs more color, like the homestar runner website. Keeping the new layout is fine, we just need smaller banners. (Btw, why is keeping the old layout trolling, yet putting up a worse layout not? I agree with your point, I just find that statement a very harsh thing that goes agenst the wiki spirit.) Also, this layout looks like crap at 800x600 --[[User:James|James]] 13:52, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)
::::The reason reverting to the old layout is trolling is quite simple: Tom (one of the mods) is the one that did the redesign, and since the mods have the most say in how the Wiki is set up, they have authority. Changing it back because you don't like this new version, therefore, is showing contempt for the mods and so on and so forth. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 14:58, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::::What about coming up with a better design that everyone likes? Is this ok? --[[User:James|James]] 18:22, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::Can't we settle this with a vote? --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 18:17, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::I don't know. Whichever wins, a whole mess of people would be mad. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::Afraid of change, no. Liked the banners, yes. :( --[[User:Southpaw018|Southpaw018]] 21:47, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::The banners were awesome and the new design is awful. I downloaded the banners (thanks Tom) and I am willing to make new ones (that's part of what I do for a living). I will make a couple and see what everyone thinks.-[[User:YourFuzzyGod|YourFuzzyGod]]

::I'll help if you need it. I made the origenal banners that started this whole thing off anyway. :-) --[[User:James|James]] 14:46, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::DONE! Here is one --> [[:Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]. I kept the theme of the old banners. If there are any changes you would like to see, tell me. Let me know if you want to use these and I will make the other two.-[[User:YourFuzzyGod|YourFuzzyGod]]

Also, it is really annoying that the "knowledge base" frame is about 10% bigger than the "Wiki Stuff" frame. Why is this?-[[User:YourFuzzyGod|YourFuzzyGod]]

::: Yes! I've been noticing this and it's driving me up the wall. If anything, the "Wiki stuff" frame should be bigger simply because there is more text that wraps on it. Having it smaller then "Knowledge base" is retarded, mostly since the "Knowledge base" frame has very little text that extends all the way to the border. --[[User:James|James]] 18:21, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

Talk:Main Page

James — Sat, 20 Nov 2004 01:21:24 GMT

James: /* Other New Format comments */

== Links to toons/pages ==

''This has been refactored.'' There was some discussion about whether "External Links" should go at the top or bottom of the page. A few people liked having them at the top for easy access to H*R.com, but it was eventually decided that they should go at the bottom, following Wikipedia's example.

== Screenshots ==
''This has been refactored.'' It would be nice if we could figure out how to make the screenshots on toon/email pages into thumbnails. This would get them out of the way so that content isn't pushed too far down the page. We need (read: Joey needs) to talk to our host about getting Image::Magick installed on the server before that will be possible.

== Upload file ==
''This has been refactored.'' There is some concern that some members of our community (or outsiders for that matter) will upload unnecessary or innappropriate images. It was decided that they could link to them just as easily as they could download them, and it's better for the images to be hosted here than free sites that may be unstable. Bandwidth is not really an issue, though it probably would spike if we allowed uploads (and consequently a lot of image downloads) from our server. There are a number of special pages we can use to monitor uploads so they will not get out of hand: [[Special:Imagelist]], [[Special:Unusedimages]].
:Is there any way to make GIF an allowed format? I don't like GIF any more than the next guy, but it's useful sometimes. For example, the 'tear' icon from [[Strong Sad's Lament]] is an animated GIF, and I'd like to upload it for posterity (since the Lydia one fell off the face of the Earth).

::We can't upload GIF's? I had no idea. I'll look into it. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 08:54, 26 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Adding the rest of the stuff ==
Okay, I did a few tweaks on AgentSeethroo's addition. We have to figure out a few things:
#How to list the Characters on the [[Characters]] page. I know the few characters we have setup now were done with categories. I don't know how we are going to get them all (secondary etc.) on one page.
#I indented the 3 Features. They are under Toons, but I know they deserve a spot on the Main Menu... any other suggestions on how to do that?
#Rejects/Everything Else - what to call the page. Or even if we need that page. Should we just list everything on the Characters page under several headings? And we have to figure out what the categories are going to be.
Ideas everyone? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:10, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay...
#I'm not a huge fan of the Character page on the old wiki, but we may have to do something similar due to the amount of character "aliases" or whatever...I'll have to think about that for a little bit.
#I think the indention is okay, but it's the only thing on the page that's indented. It makes it look kinda wierd. I also thought the [[Features]] link was gonna get ditched from the main page? Maybe I got lost sometime...
#This is gonna take some discussion I think. I think it should go byebye, and if anyone makes ANY pages that could be deemed NOT canon or not very important, like ANYTHING in rejects, it goes under the category of Misc. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 09:55, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Yeah, we need to get Joey in on this discussion. I know he had some great ideas that seem to escape me at the moment. And you are right about the indent. But maybe we could have other indents?

Some of these pages are pretty big. I know that games page might work as two pages. Then an "Old Games" page could be indented underneath or something. Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:39, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::I think that characters can be broken down, as well as games. Maybe even places...maybe...
But I don't wanna randomly start indenting and cluttering things up, either... Joey? -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 12:14, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hm. Does ''every'' character have to go on the Characters page? I think rejected characters shouldn't even show up on the Characters page. If they are linked to from the toons/emails they appear in, or if someone references them in comments, then that's fine. The pages for Rejects should be created, but they need to be designated as stubs. Or, perhaps we can have a "Disputed Characters" category (or whatever name was decided on in that poll a while back, and then create a "Disputed Characters" template that says something like, "The validity of this character is in question. If you feel that this character should be considered for placement within the 'Characters' category, discuss it on the talk page." --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::I agree. Keep them off the Characters page, and create a category for them at most. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:07, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::::Yeah, keep them off the Characters page. But okay then, we need to set up a good system of rules to determine what's going to go in that category/on that page, and say... what's an Inside Joke. And I like the template idea. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:19, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::::And quit asking for my input. I trust you guys. Do what you feel is proper. As for the "features" link, it should go. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:43, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Sketchbook? ==
I just had a thought...should we have the [[Sketchbook]] here on the main page, since it's being updated weekly (or so), or will it only be in the museum?

:That's a good question. We were behind a few weeks when they started doing the Weekly Fanstuff, because we didn't know they weren't going to archive it. I say as long as we have it somewhere and record it for now, we're good either way. If it becomes as regular as Weekly Fanstuff or the Quote of the Week, then we can add it to a more prominent place. I guess. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:13, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:: I do'd it anyway! HA! How's it look? Someone was keepin' up with it already, so I just moverized it.-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:41, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Wiki Stuff ==
Okay, now that that's kinda settled...How are we gonna format the WikiStuff section of the main page? I know not everything will be included in this new wiki, but some stuff needs a place, like HelpDesk and WikiSandbox and whatnot. Do we just follow the same formatting as the old wiki, even though it may be like 5 links and that's it? Is it possible to make a sidebar links thingy that'd show up on every page? That'd be awesome, and it'd set us apart a little more.
Also, half of the pages that we linked on the main page make me wanna barf. I wonder why we never looked these things over periodically? I mean the downloads page, on a scale of 1 to 10 is horrible.5. There's gonna have to be some major overhauling of most those pages to make them look WAY more professional. I'd like to make this a site that TBC can NOT ignore, ya know?
-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:58, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Ah, very good questions. MediaWiki has these things called "[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace Namespace]s". For example the "Category:" part of the link puts the page in the "Category" namespace. Our Wiki's namespace for pages like the sandbox and stuff would go under "Homestar Runner Wiki:" just like the [[Homestar Runner Wiki:General disclaimer]] and [[Homestar Runner Wiki:FAQ]] pages. The HelpDesk is in the "Help:" namespace. See [[Help:Contents]]. Also, a lot of that is under the "Special:" namespace: [[Special:Allpages|Allpages]], [[Special:Listusers|Listusers]], [[Special:Ipblocklist|Ipblocklist]], and so on. We can put stuff over there on the sidebar too. And yes, some of those pages are totally "barf" as you say. I couldn't agree with you more. Maybe someone else has some suggestions on all this... Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:29, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ==
The Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ''really'' needs to be shortened to just HRWiki. Sewiously. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 01:16, 14 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Any idea how I do that? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:04, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. I think I've made the change, but things are still pointing to the wrong places. Check out the "Search" page. The namespace is called the right thing there. However, the "About" and "Disclaimers" pages still point to "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:About" and "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:General_Disclaimer". I'm also looking into changing the name of "Current events" to "H*R.com updates" and making the "Community portal" link a "WikiForum" link instead. On a related note, I found a really useful page for the admins: [[Special:Allmessages]]. This lets us change all of the various system messages. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, I'm a confused kid right now. I've edited at least three of the system messages, but they aren't changing. I've changed them from the [[Special:Allmessages]] page and directly in the Languages.php file. What the heck am I doing wrong?? Specifically, I'm talking about the "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning" pages. Here's where I learned about this: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_namespace. Help! --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:47, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::Okay, our case-change stuff messed up more than I thought it would. Apparently, while I was editing "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning", I should've been editing "Portal", "Portal-url", and "Copyrightwarning". I wonder if there's some way we can limit our case-change stuff to just the HRWiki namespace. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hmm, now the WikiForum link links to a Wiki page called "http://forum..." Hrm.

== Let's Open 'er Up ==
So, lately I've had this horribly sick feeling that things have gone all wrong. This wiki is a community, and therefore a project like this should be done as a community. What we should do, above anything, is get things ready to be opened up. I'd like to see our community finish moving emails, toons, and characters (maybe I'm just lazy, but I really do feel that this is a matter of principle).

I know some of you might be freaking out and thinking that we can't trust our users to move stuff the right way, but think about this: This community has worked so far precisely because we have given everyone the freedom to edit any document. This is the wiki way! If we don't trust our community to get things right, why is this even a wiki in the first place? We might as well just have a normal website maintained by the dozen of us that are working on this migration right now.

So, what we really need to do is all the stuff that's necessary for this place to be operational. We need to build the documentation, make sure all the namespaces and options are set up the way we want them, etc. What do you guys think of this? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:31, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay, this is a little scary. I think for the mostpart, you're right, but we still have to issue of page load. If we open up both the old wiki and the new wiki to everybody, things are going to slow to a crawl again. Can you think of any solution to this? Also, I'm afraid we'll have tons of collision problems with lots of people working on the same documents at the same time. And a lot of people are going to try to copy-and-past things the lazy way, without taking the time to fix links, etc. I agree that this should be a community effort, but I think we have to resolve those issues first. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::I know you guys know I'm against opening it up. We don't even have any of our help page written yet. Or have the copyrights worked out: we have one place that says GNU and one place that says CC. And Jones is right about that page load. and the everyone doing everything at once thing. Just some more stuff to think about.
::As to the problem Joey's dealing with: our not giving everyone the freedom to edit... I think that would create more problems. Joey's right, giving everyone editing rights makes the wiki better, but that happens over a longer period of time. Right now we have to think on the short term. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::I agree with the Tom and Jones. This place is still a wiki, people will still be able to edit it when it opens up. Lettin' everyone on right now, even to help, would be kinda like lettin' a bunch of kids into an amusement park before it's finished and saying "You have to help us finish, though." There. My two cents. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 08:34, 31 Aug 2004 (MST)

== CSS Tweaks ==
Joey, could you increase the paragraph (P tags) spacing in the CSS? It's a little difficult to make out paragraph boundaries right now. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Working on it... --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Done. Sorry it took me so long. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Case issues ==
I just noticed something that might be an issue. Since we made case matter (for the emails), we now have the issue of [[Ballad of the Sneak]] and [[Ballad of The Sneak]] (and every other case variation) being two completely distinct pages. Is this going to be a problem? -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:39, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:This is already a problem on Wikipedia for any word after the first word. For instance, try looking up "George bush". We'll (and when I say we, I'm talking about the whole community, not just us admins) just have to pay close attention and create redirects where necessary -- at least until all the links can be fixed. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:56, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Okay, "George bush" is a bad example because there's already a redirect. Try "Greek orthodox". --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:57, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, no probalo. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]

::::Yeah, we have this issue with [[The Paper]] and [[The paper]]. I think Joey did the redirect for that. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Flash file links ==
Okay, so this has kinda been buggin' me for a while. Whoever first called it "watch this video in fullscreen" obviously had no idea they were linking to the actual raw flash file. Since then, we've continued to call it "watch this video in fullscreen". Can we change it to "download the flash file of this video", or something more meaningful? What do you think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:34, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Hm, I guess you're right. Though I wish you'd mentioned it before I did all the toons. :D Anyway, "download" isn't quite the right term, since it'll just play in most people's browsers. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:52, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. It downloads in Firefox, but I guess that's probably a preference setting. "view the flash file"? "watch the flash file"? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::"view the Flash file" seems good to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 11:32, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::We could use a template, like: <nowiki>[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail50.swf Download the Flash file] {{swf}}</nowiki>, and the <nowiki>{{swf}}</nowiki> prints a small boilerplate saying it may download the Flash file or it may instead view it in "fullscreen". - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 13:48, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Convertulator suggestions ==

StrongBadEmail should be automagically changed to [[Strong Bad Email]]. Anyplace where StrongBadEmail/ appears, it should be removed, so [[StrongBadEmail/flashback]] automagically becomes [[flashback]]. Only problem would be links like this: [[StrongBadEmail/flashback|flashback]]. They would turn out like this: [[flashback|flashback]], which I suppose isn't a big deal, but it's unnecessary bloat. We'll just have to watch for those. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:39, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've implemented your suggestions. However, I did find one small bug. If you have a (()) Wiki link that itself is in parentheses, e.g. "(((Some Page)) here)", the Convertulator will convert the first pair of parentheses, yielding <nowiki>[[(Some Page]] here)</nowiki>. There's no easy fix for this, so unfortunately we'll just have to just be on the lookout for it. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 14:17, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Characters featured ==

While adding Filmography categories, I noticed something. The featured characters lists don't seem to be in any particular order. I've been alphabetizing for the filmography categories, but I think the "Featured:" list should be in order of appearance. Maybe it should say...

'''Cast (in order of appearance): [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]], [[Homsar (character)|Homsar]]'''

What do you guys think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:53, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've always tried to do them in order of appearance. Seems like a good standard to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:54, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Navigation links on left ==

Two, maybe three of the nav links on the left have odd tooltips.

*'''Main Page''' - Visit the main page [alt-z]
**This is fine.
*'''Strong Bad Email''' - About the project, what you can do, where to find things
**Obviously this isn't what it is at all.
*'''H*R.com updates''' - Find background information on current events
**And nor is this ''really''.
*'''Recent changes''' - The list of recent changes in the wiki. [alt-r]
**Also fine.
*'''Random page''' - Load a random page. [alt-x]
**Also fine.
*'''Help''' - The place to find out.
**Slightly odd?

Also, we probably ought to have shortcuts for everything or nothing.

:Very good catch. I didn't even notice that the alt text was still set for the default links that used to be there. We also need to get the external links to the WikiForum and the WikiChat there as well. Thanks for the heads up, "84.9.23.83". -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:34, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

:You're welcome! I've got myself a proper account now. - [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 11:00, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Inside jokes ==

Why are [[Inside Jokes]] classified as "wiki stuff"? They are part of the content of H*R, and do not refer to the workings of the wiki. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 00:31, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I guess [[Rejects]] are in that same catagory. Plus things like the glossary just kind of float somewhere in between. I think some reformatting of the section definitions are in order, as long as the Main Page is recieving an overhaul. Any additional design suggestions? -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:35, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I was just doing some more thinking, and what about having the Knowledge Base contain ONLY the things listed on the H*R main page(s), and put everything left over into Wiki Stuff. Basically it would look something like this, and would have the added bonus of evening the two sections out, leaving External Links on the bottom...

* [[Toons]]
** [[Strong Bad Email]]
** [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]
** [[Teen Girl Squad]]
** [[Powered By The Cheat]]
** [[Puppet Stuff]]
** [[Holiday Toons]]
* [[Games]]
* [[Characters]]
* [[Downloads]]
* [[Store]]
* [[Email]]
* [[Legal]]
* [[Main Pages]]
** [[Weekly Fanstuff]]
** [[Quote of the Week]]
** [[Sketchbook]]
* [[Museum]]
* [[Secret Pages]]

Then this to the right of it: (Perhaps the first part in an additional section)

* [[Places]]
* [[Items]]
* [[Songs]]
* [[Quotes]]
* [[Glossary]]
* [[Inside Jokes]]
* [[Rejects]]
(Perhaps another section here?)
* [[Special:Listusers|List of registered wiki users]]
* [[Links]]
* [[Sightings]]
* [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]]
* [[HRWiki:Ledger|Ledger]]
* [[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]]
* [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]
* [[WikiTroll]]
* [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]]

Then the external links in another catergory. Does anyone like this idea? I think it draws a clearer distinction between things organized by the site, and additional Knowledge sorted by the Wiki. I think a clearer illustration would be that the Knowlege base is simply the 10 vegetables, and the Wiki Stuff is all the different salads they can be made into. Does anyone understand this very abstract illustration? As of now there is no clear line drawn, and many pages float in between. At the very least pages like [[Inside Jokes]] and [[Songs]] seem to be in the same catergory and in my opinion should be sorted accordingly. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:48, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

The Wiki Stuff should be for all the internal housekeeping pages like help pages, list of Trolls, ongoing projects and the like. The material that branches out from the core H*R content like [[Sightings]] can be grouped together, but they are not Wiki specific things. -[[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 12:44, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Then what about renaming the section, or even adding a seperate section? Perhaps name that one something like... 'Base Knowledge', and the other one like 'Secondary Knowledge', or something like that. Then have Wiki Troll, Ledger, Ect. under 'Wiki Stuff'. Or move EVERYTHING H*R related to Knowlege base, including Inside Jokes, ect, but that would make the menu look very offset... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 12:58, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Does anybody have an opinion about my idea? I think it's a good layout... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 22:56, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

== New Format = <strike>Banners</strike>? ==

I like the new format, it does make the title screen smaller, and more... colorful, I guess, but what happened to those cool banners? Any way to incorporate them into the design at the tops of the boxes? They really gave the main page a distinct look, and I would like to see them live again. If they don't fit, could whoever made them maybe remake one or two for a custom fit? I dunno, just a suggestion. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:28, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also as long as we're on the topic of the new format, what about moving the External Links to below the Wiki Stuff section? There's alot of unused space there. Might even get the page to one screen, without scrolling. Plus should anyone put the explanations of the links back? There seems to be a lack of explanations, only half the links have them. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:32, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Ah ha. I uploaded the banners to [[:Image:officialsite-banner.png]], [[:Image:wikipages-banner.png]], and [[:Image:externallinks-banner.png]]. I'm hoping that someone will come up with something similar that will work with this format. I'm thinking the width should be limited to around 100px.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:16, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I don't see what was wrong with a lil' scrolling. I'm taking this very harshly. It was my only reminder of the old wiki. --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 14:08, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:It reminds me a lot of Wikipedia. Maybe to much. I'm thinkin' we need something to "liven" the page up a bit, maybe like an official "Homestar Runner Wiki" banner across the top of the page. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

== Other New Format comments ==

Oh, god, I looked at the new format and I almost lost my lunch. It's so ugly! I really think the old banners should be back! Is there a way we can get them back?

[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 17:04, 17 Nov 2004

I agree, the Banners are needed. Any way to put them along the tops of the colored boxes, even custom stretching them to fit? I think that would look rather good. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 16:33, 17 Nov 2004 (

:It's not that big of a deal. If you puked over this, I'd hate to ride a Tilt-A-Whirl with you. Get over it. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::I'm starting to notice a pattern of people percieving improvements as being evil here, first with the switchover from Tavi to this, then the reformatting of the front page. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 02:53, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::If there's one thing that never changes, it's that people are afraid of change, no matter how much it improves their lives. Never try to give your grandma a new TV. Anyway, the banners aren't gone for good. The ones we were using just don't fit in the new layout. And just so we're clear: messing about with the front page just because you "liked it better before" is trolling and will be handled as such. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

::uh, how does this change improve my life? I guess the layout is more functional, but as for improvement, I don't think it really adds anything to the site.

::: I agree. It looks more crowded and ugly. Needs more color, like the homestar runner website. Keeping the new layout is fine, we just need smaller banners. (Btw, why is keeping the old layout trolling, yet putting up a worse layout not? I agree with your point, I just find that statement a very harsh thing that goes agenst the wiki spirit.) Also, this layout looks like crap at 800x600 --[[User:James|James]] 13:52, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)
::::The reason reverting to the old layout is trolling is quite simple: Tom (one of the mods) is the one that did the redesign, and since the mods have the most say in how the Wiki is set up, they have authority. Changing it back because you don't like this new version, therefore, is showing contempt for the mods and so on and so forth. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 14:58, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::Can't we settle this with a vote? --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 18:17, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::I don't know. Whichever wins, a whole mess of people would be mad. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::Afraid of change, no. Liked the banners, yes. :( --[[User:Southpaw018|Southpaw018]] 21:47, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::The banners were awesome and the new design is awful. I downloaded the banners (thanks Tom) and I am willing to make new ones (that's part of what I do for a living). I will make a couple and see what everyone thinks.-[[User:YourFuzzyGod|YourFuzzyGod]]

::I'll help if you need it. I made the origenal banners that started this whole thing off anyway. :-) --[[User:James|James]] 14:46, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::DONE! Here is one --> [[:Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]. I kept the theme of the old banners. If there are any changes you would like to see, tell me. Let me know if you want to use these and I will make the other two.-[[User:YourFuzzyGod|YourFuzzyGod]]

Also, it is really annoying that the "knowledge base" frame is about 10% bigger than the "Wiki Stuff" frame. Why is this?-[[User:YourFuzzyGod|YourFuzzyGod]]

::: Yes! I've been noticing this and it's driving me up the wall. If anything, the "Wiki stuff" frame should be bigger simply because there is more text that wraps on it. Having it smaller then "Knowledge base" is retarded, mostly since the "Knowledge base" frame has very little text that extends all the way to the border. --[[User:James|James]] 18:21, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

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== Links to toons/pages ==

''This has been refactored.'' There was some discussion about whether "External Links" should go at the top or bottom of the page. A few people liked having them at the top for easy access to H*R.com, but it was eventually decided that they should go at the bottom, following Wikipedia's example.

== Screenshots ==
''This has been refactored.'' It would be nice if we could figure out how to make the screenshots on toon/email pages into thumbnails. This would get them out of the way so that content isn't pushed too far down the page. We need (read: Joey needs) to talk to our host about getting Image::Magick installed on the server before that will be possible.

== Upload file ==
''This has been refactored.'' There is some concern that some members of our community (or outsiders for that matter) will upload unnecessary or innappropriate images. It was decided that they could link to them just as easily as they could download them, and it's better for the images to be hosted here than free sites that may be unstable. Bandwidth is not really an issue, though it probably would spike if we allowed uploads (and consequently a lot of image downloads) from our server. There are a number of special pages we can use to monitor uploads so they will not get out of hand: [[Special:Imagelist]], [[Special:Unusedimages]].
:Is there any way to make GIF an allowed format? I don't like GIF any more than the next guy, but it's useful sometimes. For example, the 'tear' icon from [[Strong Sad's Lament]] is an animated GIF, and I'd like to upload it for posterity (since the Lydia one fell off the face of the Earth).

::We can't upload GIF's? I had no idea. I'll look into it. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 08:54, 26 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Adding the rest of the stuff ==
Okay, I did a few tweaks on AgentSeethroo's addition. We have to figure out a few things:
#How to list the Characters on the [[Characters]] page. I know the few characters we have setup now were done with categories. I don't know how we are going to get them all (secondary etc.) on one page.
#I indented the 3 Features. They are under Toons, but I know they deserve a spot on the Main Menu... any other suggestions on how to do that?
#Rejects/Everything Else - what to call the page. Or even if we need that page. Should we just list everything on the Characters page under several headings? And we have to figure out what the categories are going to be.
Ideas everyone? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:10, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay...
#I'm not a huge fan of the Character page on the old wiki, but we may have to do something similar due to the amount of character "aliases" or whatever...I'll have to think about that for a little bit.
#I think the indention is okay, but it's the only thing on the page that's indented. It makes it look kinda wierd. I also thought the [[Features]] link was gonna get ditched from the main page? Maybe I got lost sometime...
#This is gonna take some discussion I think. I think it should go byebye, and if anyone makes ANY pages that could be deemed NOT canon or not very important, like ANYTHING in rejects, it goes under the category of Misc. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 09:55, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Yeah, we need to get Joey in on this discussion. I know he had some great ideas that seem to escape me at the moment. And you are right about the indent. But maybe we could have other indents?

Some of these pages are pretty big. I know that games page might work as two pages. Then an "Old Games" page could be indented underneath or something. Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:39, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::I think that characters can be broken down, as well as games. Maybe even places...maybe...
But I don't wanna randomly start indenting and cluttering things up, either... Joey? -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 12:14, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hm. Does ''every'' character have to go on the Characters page? I think rejected characters shouldn't even show up on the Characters page. If they are linked to from the toons/emails they appear in, or if someone references them in comments, then that's fine. The pages for Rejects should be created, but they need to be designated as stubs. Or, perhaps we can have a "Disputed Characters" category (or whatever name was decided on in that poll a while back, and then create a "Disputed Characters" template that says something like, "The validity of this character is in question. If you feel that this character should be considered for placement within the 'Characters' category, discuss it on the talk page." --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::I agree. Keep them off the Characters page, and create a category for them at most. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:07, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::::Yeah, keep them off the Characters page. But okay then, we need to set up a good system of rules to determine what's going to go in that category/on that page, and say... what's an Inside Joke. And I like the template idea. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:19, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::::And quit asking for my input. I trust you guys. Do what you feel is proper. As for the "features" link, it should go. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:43, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Sketchbook? ==
I just had a thought...should we have the [[Sketchbook]] here on the main page, since it's being updated weekly (or so), or will it only be in the museum?

:That's a good question. We were behind a few weeks when they started doing the Weekly Fanstuff, because we didn't know they weren't going to archive it. I say as long as we have it somewhere and record it for now, we're good either way. If it becomes as regular as Weekly Fanstuff or the Quote of the Week, then we can add it to a more prominent place. I guess. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:13, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:: I do'd it anyway! HA! How's it look? Someone was keepin' up with it already, so I just moverized it.-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:41, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Wiki Stuff ==
Okay, now that that's kinda settled...How are we gonna format the WikiStuff section of the main page? I know not everything will be included in this new wiki, but some stuff needs a place, like HelpDesk and WikiSandbox and whatnot. Do we just follow the same formatting as the old wiki, even though it may be like 5 links and that's it? Is it possible to make a sidebar links thingy that'd show up on every page? That'd be awesome, and it'd set us apart a little more.
Also, half of the pages that we linked on the main page make me wanna barf. I wonder why we never looked these things over periodically? I mean the downloads page, on a scale of 1 to 10 is horrible.5. There's gonna have to be some major overhauling of most those pages to make them look WAY more professional. I'd like to make this a site that TBC can NOT ignore, ya know?
-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:58, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Ah, very good questions. MediaWiki has these things called "[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace Namespace]s". For example the "Category:" part of the link puts the page in the "Category" namespace. Our Wiki's namespace for pages like the sandbox and stuff would go under "Homestar Runner Wiki:" just like the [[Homestar Runner Wiki:General disclaimer]] and [[Homestar Runner Wiki:FAQ]] pages. The HelpDesk is in the "Help:" namespace. See [[Help:Contents]]. Also, a lot of that is under the "Special:" namespace: [[Special:Allpages|Allpages]], [[Special:Listusers|Listusers]], [[Special:Ipblocklist|Ipblocklist]], and so on. We can put stuff over there on the sidebar too. And yes, some of those pages are totally "barf" as you say. I couldn't agree with you more. Maybe someone else has some suggestions on all this... Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:29, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ==
The Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ''really'' needs to be shortened to just HRWiki. Sewiously. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 01:16, 14 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Any idea how I do that? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:04, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. I think I've made the change, but things are still pointing to the wrong places. Check out the "Search" page. The namespace is called the right thing there. However, the "About" and "Disclaimers" pages still point to "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:About" and "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:General_Disclaimer". I'm also looking into changing the name of "Current events" to "H*R.com updates" and making the "Community portal" link a "WikiForum" link instead. On a related note, I found a really useful page for the admins: [[Special:Allmessages]]. This lets us change all of the various system messages. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, I'm a confused kid right now. I've edited at least three of the system messages, but they aren't changing. I've changed them from the [[Special:Allmessages]] page and directly in the Languages.php file. What the heck am I doing wrong?? Specifically, I'm talking about the "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning" pages. Here's where I learned about this: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_namespace. Help! --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:47, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::Okay, our case-change stuff messed up more than I thought it would. Apparently, while I was editing "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning", I should've been editing "Portal", "Portal-url", and "Copyrightwarning". I wonder if there's some way we can limit our case-change stuff to just the HRWiki namespace. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hmm, now the WikiForum link links to a Wiki page called "http://forum..." Hrm.

== Let's Open 'er Up ==
So, lately I've had this horribly sick feeling that things have gone all wrong. This wiki is a community, and therefore a project like this should be done as a community. What we should do, above anything, is get things ready to be opened up. I'd like to see our community finish moving emails, toons, and characters (maybe I'm just lazy, but I really do feel that this is a matter of principle).

I know some of you might be freaking out and thinking that we can't trust our users to move stuff the right way, but think about this: This community has worked so far precisely because we have given everyone the freedom to edit any document. This is the wiki way! If we don't trust our community to get things right, why is this even a wiki in the first place? We might as well just have a normal website maintained by the dozen of us that are working on this migration right now.

So, what we really need to do is all the stuff that's necessary for this place to be operational. We need to build the documentation, make sure all the namespaces and options are set up the way we want them, etc. What do you guys think of this? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:31, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay, this is a little scary. I think for the mostpart, you're right, but we still have to issue of page load. If we open up both the old wiki and the new wiki to everybody, things are going to slow to a crawl again. Can you think of any solution to this? Also, I'm afraid we'll have tons of collision problems with lots of people working on the same documents at the same time. And a lot of people are going to try to copy-and-past things the lazy way, without taking the time to fix links, etc. I agree that this should be a community effort, but I think we have to resolve those issues first. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::I know you guys know I'm against opening it up. We don't even have any of our help page written yet. Or have the copyrights worked out: we have one place that says GNU and one place that says CC. And Jones is right about that page load. and the everyone doing everything at once thing. Just some more stuff to think about.
::As to the problem Joey's dealing with: our not giving everyone the freedom to edit... I think that would create more problems. Joey's right, giving everyone editing rights makes the wiki better, but that happens over a longer period of time. Right now we have to think on the short term. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::I agree with the Tom and Jones. This place is still a wiki, people will still be able to edit it when it opens up. Lettin' everyone on right now, even to help, would be kinda like lettin' a bunch of kids into an amusement park before it's finished and saying "You have to help us finish, though." There. My two cents. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 08:34, 31 Aug 2004 (MST)

== CSS Tweaks ==
Joey, could you increase the paragraph (P tags) spacing in the CSS? It's a little difficult to make out paragraph boundaries right now. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Working on it... --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Done. Sorry it took me so long. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Case issues ==
I just noticed something that might be an issue. Since we made case matter (for the emails), we now have the issue of [[Ballad of the Sneak]] and [[Ballad of The Sneak]] (and every other case variation) being two completely distinct pages. Is this going to be a problem? -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:39, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:This is already a problem on Wikipedia for any word after the first word. For instance, try looking up "George bush". We'll (and when I say we, I'm talking about the whole community, not just us admins) just have to pay close attention and create redirects where necessary -- at least until all the links can be fixed. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:56, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Okay, "George bush" is a bad example because there's already a redirect. Try "Greek orthodox". --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:57, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, no probalo. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]

::::Yeah, we have this issue with [[The Paper]] and [[The paper]]. I think Joey did the redirect for that. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Flash file links ==
Okay, so this has kinda been buggin' me for a while. Whoever first called it "watch this video in fullscreen" obviously had no idea they were linking to the actual raw flash file. Since then, we've continued to call it "watch this video in fullscreen". Can we change it to "download the flash file of this video", or something more meaningful? What do you think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:34, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Hm, I guess you're right. Though I wish you'd mentioned it before I did all the toons. :D Anyway, "download" isn't quite the right term, since it'll just play in most people's browsers. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:52, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. It downloads in Firefox, but I guess that's probably a preference setting. "view the flash file"? "watch the flash file"? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::"view the Flash file" seems good to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 11:32, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::We could use a template, like: <nowiki>[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail50.swf Download the Flash file] {{swf}}</nowiki>, and the <nowiki>{{swf}}</nowiki> prints a small boilerplate saying it may download the Flash file or it may instead view it in "fullscreen". - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 13:48, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Convertulator suggestions ==

StrongBadEmail should be automagically changed to [[Strong Bad Email]]. Anyplace where StrongBadEmail/ appears, it should be removed, so [[StrongBadEmail/flashback]] automagically becomes [[flashback]]. Only problem would be links like this: [[StrongBadEmail/flashback|flashback]]. They would turn out like this: [[flashback|flashback]], which I suppose isn't a big deal, but it's unnecessary bloat. We'll just have to watch for those. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:39, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've implemented your suggestions. However, I did find one small bug. If you have a (()) Wiki link that itself is in parentheses, e.g. "(((Some Page)) here)", the Convertulator will convert the first pair of parentheses, yielding <nowiki>[[(Some Page]] here)</nowiki>. There's no easy fix for this, so unfortunately we'll just have to just be on the lookout for it. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 14:17, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Characters featured ==

While adding Filmography categories, I noticed something. The featured characters lists don't seem to be in any particular order. I've been alphabetizing for the filmography categories, but I think the "Featured:" list should be in order of appearance. Maybe it should say...

'''Cast (in order of appearance): [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]], [[Homsar (character)|Homsar]]'''

What do you guys think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:53, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've always tried to do them in order of appearance. Seems like a good standard to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:54, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Navigation links on left ==

Two, maybe three of the nav links on the left have odd tooltips.

*'''Main Page''' - Visit the main page [alt-z]
**This is fine.
*'''Strong Bad Email''' - About the project, what you can do, where to find things
**Obviously this isn't what it is at all.
*'''H*R.com updates''' - Find background information on current events
**And nor is this ''really''.
*'''Recent changes''' - The list of recent changes in the wiki. [alt-r]
**Also fine.
*'''Random page''' - Load a random page. [alt-x]
**Also fine.
*'''Help''' - The place to find out.
**Slightly odd?

Also, we probably ought to have shortcuts for everything or nothing.

:Very good catch. I didn't even notice that the alt text was still set for the default links that used to be there. We also need to get the external links to the WikiForum and the WikiChat there as well. Thanks for the heads up, "84.9.23.83". -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:34, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

:You're welcome! I've got myself a proper account now. - [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 11:00, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Inside jokes ==

Why are [[Inside Jokes]] classified as "wiki stuff"? They are part of the content of H*R, and do not refer to the workings of the wiki. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 00:31, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I guess [[Rejects]] are in that same catagory. Plus things like the glossary just kind of float somewhere in between. I think some reformatting of the section definitions are in order, as long as the Main Page is recieving an overhaul. Any additional design suggestions? -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:35, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I was just doing some more thinking, and what about having the Knowledge Base contain ONLY the things listed on the H*R main page(s), and put everything left over into Wiki Stuff. Basically it would look something like this, and would have the added bonus of evening the two sections out, leaving External Links on the bottom...

* [[Toons]]
** [[Strong Bad Email]]
** [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]
** [[Teen Girl Squad]]
** [[Powered By The Cheat]]
** [[Puppet Stuff]]
** [[Holiday Toons]]
* [[Games]]
* [[Characters]]
* [[Downloads]]
* [[Store]]
* [[Email]]
* [[Legal]]
* [[Main Pages]]
** [[Weekly Fanstuff]]
** [[Quote of the Week]]
** [[Sketchbook]]
* [[Museum]]
* [[Secret Pages]]

Then this to the right of it: (Perhaps the first part in an additional section)

* [[Places]]
* [[Items]]
* [[Songs]]
* [[Quotes]]
* [[Glossary]]
* [[Inside Jokes]]
* [[Rejects]]
(Perhaps another section here?)
* [[Special:Listusers|List of registered wiki users]]
* [[Links]]
* [[Sightings]]
* [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]]
* [[HRWiki:Ledger|Ledger]]
* [[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]]
* [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]
* [[WikiTroll]]
* [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]]

Then the external links in another catergory. Does anyone like this idea? I think it draws a clearer distinction between things organized by the site, and additional Knowledge sorted by the Wiki. I think a clearer illustration would be that the Knowlege base is simply the 10 vegetables, and the Wiki Stuff is all the different salads they can be made into. Does anyone understand this very abstract illustration? As of now there is no clear line drawn, and many pages float in between. At the very least pages like [[Inside Jokes]] and [[Songs]] seem to be in the same catergory and in my opinion should be sorted accordingly. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:48, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

The Wiki Stuff should be for all the internal housekeeping pages like help pages, list of Trolls, ongoing projects and the like. The material that branches out from the core H*R content like [[Sightings]] can be grouped together, but they are not Wiki specific things. -[[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 12:44, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Then what about renaming the section, or even adding a seperate section? Perhaps name that one something like... 'Base Knowledge', and the other one like 'Secondary Knowledge', or something like that. Then have Wiki Troll, Ledger, Ect. under 'Wiki Stuff'. Or move EVERYTHING H*R related to Knowlege base, including Inside Jokes, ect, but that would make the menu look very offset... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 12:58, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Does anybody have an opinion about my idea? I think it's a good layout... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 22:56, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

== New Format = <strike>Banners</strike>? ==

I like the new format, it does make the title screen smaller, and more... colorful, I guess, but what happened to those cool banners? Any way to incorporate them into the design at the tops of the boxes? They really gave the main page a distinct look, and I would like to see them live again. If they don't fit, could whoever made them maybe remake one or two for a custom fit? I dunno, just a suggestion. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:28, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also as long as we're on the topic of the new format, what about moving the External Links to below the Wiki Stuff section? There's alot of unused space there. Might even get the page to one screen, without scrolling. Plus should anyone put the explanations of the links back? There seems to be a lack of explanations, only half the links have them. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:32, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Ah ha. I uploaded the banners to [[:Image:officialsite-banner.png]], [[:Image:wikipages-banner.png]], and [[:Image:externallinks-banner.png]]. I'm hoping that someone will come up with something similar that will work with this format. I'm thinking the width should be limited to around 100px.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:16, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I don't see what was wrong with a lil' scrolling. I'm taking this very harshly. It was my only reminder of the old wiki. --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 14:08, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:It reminds me a lot of Wikipedia. Maybe to much. I'm thinkin' we need something to "liven" the page up a bit, maybe like an official "Homestar Runner Wiki" banner across the top of the page. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

== Other New Format comments ==

Oh, god, I looked at the new format and I almost lost my lunch. It's so ugly! I really think the old banners should be back! Is there a way we can get them back?

[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 17:04, 17 Nov 2004

I agree, the Banners are needed. Any way to put them along the tops of the colored boxes, even custom stretching them to fit? I think that would look rather good. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 16:33, 17 Nov 2004 (

:It's not that big of a deal. If you puked over this, I'd hate to ride a Tilt-A-Whirl with you. Get over it. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::I'm starting to notice a pattern of people percieving improvements as being evil here, first with the switchover from Tavi to this, then the reformatting of the front page. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 02:53, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::If there's one thing that never changes, it's that people are afraid of change, no matter how much it improves their lives. Never try to give your grandma a new TV. Anyway, the banners aren't gone for good. The ones we were using just don't fit in the new layout. And just so we're clear: messing about with the front page just because you "liked it better before" is trolling and will be handled as such. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

::uh, how does this change improve my life? I guess the layout is more functional, but as for improvement, I don't think it really adds anything to the site.

::: I agree. It looks more crowded and ugly. Needs more color, like the homestar runner website. Keeping the new layout is fine, we just need smaller banners. (Btw, why is keeping the old layout trolling, yet putting up a worse layout not? I agree with your point, I just find that statement a very harsh thing that goes agenst the wiki spirit.) Also, this layout looks like crap at 800x600 --[[User:James|James]] 13:52, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::Can't we settle this with a vote? --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 18:17, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::I don't know. Whichever wins, a whole mess of people would be mad. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::Afraid of change, no. Liked the banners, yes. :( --[[User:Southpaw018|Southpaw018]] 21:47, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::The banners were awesome and the new design is awful. I downloaded the banners (thanks Tom) and I am willing to make new ones (that's part of what I do for a living). I will make a couple and see what everyone thinks.-[[User:YourFuzzyGod|YourFuzzyGod]]

::I'll help if you need it. I made the origenal banners that started this whole thing off anyway. :-) --[[User:James|James]] 14:46, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

Talk:Main Page

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James: /* Other New Format comments */

== Links to toons/pages ==

''This has been refactored.'' There was some discussion about whether "External Links" should go at the top or bottom of the page. A few people liked having them at the top for easy access to H*R.com, but it was eventually decided that they should go at the bottom, following Wikipedia's example.

== Screenshots ==
''This has been refactored.'' It would be nice if we could figure out how to make the screenshots on toon/email pages into thumbnails. This would get them out of the way so that content isn't pushed too far down the page. We need (read: Joey needs) to talk to our host about getting Image::Magick installed on the server before that will be possible.

== Upload file ==
''This has been refactored.'' There is some concern that some members of our community (or outsiders for that matter) will upload unnecessary or innappropriate images. It was decided that they could link to them just as easily as they could download them, and it's better for the images to be hosted here than free sites that may be unstable. Bandwidth is not really an issue, though it probably would spike if we allowed uploads (and consequently a lot of image downloads) from our server. There are a number of special pages we can use to monitor uploads so they will not get out of hand: [[Special:Imagelist]], [[Special:Unusedimages]].
:Is there any way to make GIF an allowed format? I don't like GIF any more than the next guy, but it's useful sometimes. For example, the 'tear' icon from [[Strong Sad's Lament]] is an animated GIF, and I'd like to upload it for posterity (since the Lydia one fell off the face of the Earth).

::We can't upload GIF's? I had no idea. I'll look into it. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 08:54, 26 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Adding the rest of the stuff ==
Okay, I did a few tweaks on AgentSeethroo's addition. We have to figure out a few things:
#How to list the Characters on the [[Characters]] page. I know the few characters we have setup now were done with categories. I don't know how we are going to get them all (secondary etc.) on one page.
#I indented the 3 Features. They are under Toons, but I know they deserve a spot on the Main Menu... any other suggestions on how to do that?
#Rejects/Everything Else - what to call the page. Or even if we need that page. Should we just list everything on the Characters page under several headings? And we have to figure out what the categories are going to be.
Ideas everyone? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:10, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay...
#I'm not a huge fan of the Character page on the old wiki, but we may have to do something similar due to the amount of character "aliases" or whatever...I'll have to think about that for a little bit.
#I think the indention is okay, but it's the only thing on the page that's indented. It makes it look kinda wierd. I also thought the [[Features]] link was gonna get ditched from the main page? Maybe I got lost sometime...
#This is gonna take some discussion I think. I think it should go byebye, and if anyone makes ANY pages that could be deemed NOT canon or not very important, like ANYTHING in rejects, it goes under the category of Misc. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 09:55, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Yeah, we need to get Joey in on this discussion. I know he had some great ideas that seem to escape me at the moment. And you are right about the indent. But maybe we could have other indents?

Some of these pages are pretty big. I know that games page might work as two pages. Then an "Old Games" page could be indented underneath or something. Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:39, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::I think that characters can be broken down, as well as games. Maybe even places...maybe...
But I don't wanna randomly start indenting and cluttering things up, either... Joey? -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 12:14, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hm. Does ''every'' character have to go on the Characters page? I think rejected characters shouldn't even show up on the Characters page. If they are linked to from the toons/emails they appear in, or if someone references them in comments, then that's fine. The pages for Rejects should be created, but they need to be designated as stubs. Or, perhaps we can have a "Disputed Characters" category (or whatever name was decided on in that poll a while back, and then create a "Disputed Characters" template that says something like, "The validity of this character is in question. If you feel that this character should be considered for placement within the 'Characters' category, discuss it on the talk page." --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::I agree. Keep them off the Characters page, and create a category for them at most. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:07, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::::Yeah, keep them off the Characters page. But okay then, we need to set up a good system of rules to determine what's going to go in that category/on that page, and say... what's an Inside Joke. And I like the template idea. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:19, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::::And quit asking for my input. I trust you guys. Do what you feel is proper. As for the "features" link, it should go. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:43, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Sketchbook? ==
I just had a thought...should we have the [[Sketchbook]] here on the main page, since it's being updated weekly (or so), or will it only be in the museum?

:That's a good question. We were behind a few weeks when they started doing the Weekly Fanstuff, because we didn't know they weren't going to archive it. I say as long as we have it somewhere and record it for now, we're good either way. If it becomes as regular as Weekly Fanstuff or the Quote of the Week, then we can add it to a more prominent place. I guess. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:13, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:: I do'd it anyway! HA! How's it look? Someone was keepin' up with it already, so I just moverized it.-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:41, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Wiki Stuff ==
Okay, now that that's kinda settled...How are we gonna format the WikiStuff section of the main page? I know not everything will be included in this new wiki, but some stuff needs a place, like HelpDesk and WikiSandbox and whatnot. Do we just follow the same formatting as the old wiki, even though it may be like 5 links and that's it? Is it possible to make a sidebar links thingy that'd show up on every page? That'd be awesome, and it'd set us apart a little more.
Also, half of the pages that we linked on the main page make me wanna barf. I wonder why we never looked these things over periodically? I mean the downloads page, on a scale of 1 to 10 is horrible.5. There's gonna have to be some major overhauling of most those pages to make them look WAY more professional. I'd like to make this a site that TBC can NOT ignore, ya know?
-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:58, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Ah, very good questions. MediaWiki has these things called "[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace Namespace]s". For example the "Category:" part of the link puts the page in the "Category" namespace. Our Wiki's namespace for pages like the sandbox and stuff would go under "Homestar Runner Wiki:" just like the [[Homestar Runner Wiki:General disclaimer]] and [[Homestar Runner Wiki:FAQ]] pages. The HelpDesk is in the "Help:" namespace. See [[Help:Contents]]. Also, a lot of that is under the "Special:" namespace: [[Special:Allpages|Allpages]], [[Special:Listusers|Listusers]], [[Special:Ipblocklist|Ipblocklist]], and so on. We can put stuff over there on the sidebar too. And yes, some of those pages are totally "barf" as you say. I couldn't agree with you more. Maybe someone else has some suggestions on all this... Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:29, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ==
The Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ''really'' needs to be shortened to just HRWiki. Sewiously. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 01:16, 14 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Any idea how I do that? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:04, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. I think I've made the change, but things are still pointing to the wrong places. Check out the "Search" page. The namespace is called the right thing there. However, the "About" and "Disclaimers" pages still point to "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:About" and "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:General_Disclaimer". I'm also looking into changing the name of "Current events" to "H*R.com updates" and making the "Community portal" link a "WikiForum" link instead. On a related note, I found a really useful page for the admins: [[Special:Allmessages]]. This lets us change all of the various system messages. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, I'm a confused kid right now. I've edited at least three of the system messages, but they aren't changing. I've changed them from the [[Special:Allmessages]] page and directly in the Languages.php file. What the heck am I doing wrong?? Specifically, I'm talking about the "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning" pages. Here's where I learned about this: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_namespace. Help! --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:47, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::Okay, our case-change stuff messed up more than I thought it would. Apparently, while I was editing "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning", I should've been editing "Portal", "Portal-url", and "Copyrightwarning". I wonder if there's some way we can limit our case-change stuff to just the HRWiki namespace. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hmm, now the WikiForum link links to a Wiki page called "http://forum..." Hrm.

== Let's Open 'er Up ==
So, lately I've had this horribly sick feeling that things have gone all wrong. This wiki is a community, and therefore a project like this should be done as a community. What we should do, above anything, is get things ready to be opened up. I'd like to see our community finish moving emails, toons, and characters (maybe I'm just lazy, but I really do feel that this is a matter of principle).

I know some of you might be freaking out and thinking that we can't trust our users to move stuff the right way, but think about this: This community has worked so far precisely because we have given everyone the freedom to edit any document. This is the wiki way! If we don't trust our community to get things right, why is this even a wiki in the first place? We might as well just have a normal website maintained by the dozen of us that are working on this migration right now.

So, what we really need to do is all the stuff that's necessary for this place to be operational. We need to build the documentation, make sure all the namespaces and options are set up the way we want them, etc. What do you guys think of this? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:31, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay, this is a little scary. I think for the mostpart, you're right, but we still have to issue of page load. If we open up both the old wiki and the new wiki to everybody, things are going to slow to a crawl again. Can you think of any solution to this? Also, I'm afraid we'll have tons of collision problems with lots of people working on the same documents at the same time. And a lot of people are going to try to copy-and-past things the lazy way, without taking the time to fix links, etc. I agree that this should be a community effort, but I think we have to resolve those issues first. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::I know you guys know I'm against opening it up. We don't even have any of our help page written yet. Or have the copyrights worked out: we have one place that says GNU and one place that says CC. And Jones is right about that page load. and the everyone doing everything at once thing. Just some more stuff to think about.
::As to the problem Joey's dealing with: our not giving everyone the freedom to edit... I think that would create more problems. Joey's right, giving everyone editing rights makes the wiki better, but that happens over a longer period of time. Right now we have to think on the short term. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::I agree with the Tom and Jones. This place is still a wiki, people will still be able to edit it when it opens up. Lettin' everyone on right now, even to help, would be kinda like lettin' a bunch of kids into an amusement park before it's finished and saying "You have to help us finish, though." There. My two cents. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 08:34, 31 Aug 2004 (MST)

== CSS Tweaks ==
Joey, could you increase the paragraph (P tags) spacing in the CSS? It's a little difficult to make out paragraph boundaries right now. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Working on it... --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Done. Sorry it took me so long. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Case issues ==
I just noticed something that might be an issue. Since we made case matter (for the emails), we now have the issue of [[Ballad of the Sneak]] and [[Ballad of The Sneak]] (and every other case variation) being two completely distinct pages. Is this going to be a problem? -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:39, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:This is already a problem on Wikipedia for any word after the first word. For instance, try looking up "George bush". We'll (and when I say we, I'm talking about the whole community, not just us admins) just have to pay close attention and create redirects where necessary -- at least until all the links can be fixed. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:56, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Okay, "George bush" is a bad example because there's already a redirect. Try "Greek orthodox". --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:57, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, no probalo. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]

::::Yeah, we have this issue with [[The Paper]] and [[The paper]]. I think Joey did the redirect for that. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Flash file links ==
Okay, so this has kinda been buggin' me for a while. Whoever first called it "watch this video in fullscreen" obviously had no idea they were linking to the actual raw flash file. Since then, we've continued to call it "watch this video in fullscreen". Can we change it to "download the flash file of this video", or something more meaningful? What do you think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:34, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Hm, I guess you're right. Though I wish you'd mentioned it before I did all the toons. :D Anyway, "download" isn't quite the right term, since it'll just play in most people's browsers. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:52, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. It downloads in Firefox, but I guess that's probably a preference setting. "view the flash file"? "watch the flash file"? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::"view the Flash file" seems good to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 11:32, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::We could use a template, like: <nowiki>[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail50.swf Download the Flash file] {{swf}}</nowiki>, and the <nowiki>{{swf}}</nowiki> prints a small boilerplate saying it may download the Flash file or it may instead view it in "fullscreen". - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 13:48, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Convertulator suggestions ==

StrongBadEmail should be automagically changed to [[Strong Bad Email]]. Anyplace where StrongBadEmail/ appears, it should be removed, so [[StrongBadEmail/flashback]] automagically becomes [[flashback]]. Only problem would be links like this: [[StrongBadEmail/flashback|flashback]]. They would turn out like this: [[flashback|flashback]], which I suppose isn't a big deal, but it's unnecessary bloat. We'll just have to watch for those. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:39, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've implemented your suggestions. However, I did find one small bug. If you have a (()) Wiki link that itself is in parentheses, e.g. "(((Some Page)) here)", the Convertulator will convert the first pair of parentheses, yielding <nowiki>[[(Some Page]] here)</nowiki>. There's no easy fix for this, so unfortunately we'll just have to just be on the lookout for it. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 14:17, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Characters featured ==

While adding Filmography categories, I noticed something. The featured characters lists don't seem to be in any particular order. I've been alphabetizing for the filmography categories, but I think the "Featured:" list should be in order of appearance. Maybe it should say...

'''Cast (in order of appearance): [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]], [[Homsar (character)|Homsar]]'''

What do you guys think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:53, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've always tried to do them in order of appearance. Seems like a good standard to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:54, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Navigation links on left ==

Two, maybe three of the nav links on the left have odd tooltips.

*'''Main Page''' - Visit the main page [alt-z]
**This is fine.
*'''Strong Bad Email''' - About the project, what you can do, where to find things
**Obviously this isn't what it is at all.
*'''H*R.com updates''' - Find background information on current events
**And nor is this ''really''.
*'''Recent changes''' - The list of recent changes in the wiki. [alt-r]
**Also fine.
*'''Random page''' - Load a random page. [alt-x]
**Also fine.
*'''Help''' - The place to find out.
**Slightly odd?

Also, we probably ought to have shortcuts for everything or nothing.

:Very good catch. I didn't even notice that the alt text was still set for the default links that used to be there. We also need to get the external links to the WikiForum and the WikiChat there as well. Thanks for the heads up, "84.9.23.83". -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:34, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

:You're welcome! I've got myself a proper account now. - [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 11:00, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Inside jokes ==

Why are [[Inside Jokes]] classified as "wiki stuff"? They are part of the content of H*R, and do not refer to the workings of the wiki. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 00:31, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I guess [[Rejects]] are in that same catagory. Plus things like the glossary just kind of float somewhere in between. I think some reformatting of the section definitions are in order, as long as the Main Page is recieving an overhaul. Any additional design suggestions? -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:35, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I was just doing some more thinking, and what about having the Knowledge Base contain ONLY the things listed on the H*R main page(s), and put everything left over into Wiki Stuff. Basically it would look something like this, and would have the added bonus of evening the two sections out, leaving External Links on the bottom...

* [[Toons]]
** [[Strong Bad Email]]
** [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]
** [[Teen Girl Squad]]
** [[Powered By The Cheat]]
** [[Puppet Stuff]]
** [[Holiday Toons]]
* [[Games]]
* [[Characters]]
* [[Downloads]]
* [[Store]]
* [[Email]]
* [[Legal]]
* [[Main Pages]]
** [[Weekly Fanstuff]]
** [[Quote of the Week]]
** [[Sketchbook]]
* [[Museum]]
* [[Secret Pages]]

Then this to the right of it: (Perhaps the first part in an additional section)

* [[Places]]
* [[Items]]
* [[Songs]]
* [[Quotes]]
* [[Glossary]]
* [[Inside Jokes]]
* [[Rejects]]
(Perhaps another section here?)
* [[Special:Listusers|List of registered wiki users]]
* [[Links]]
* [[Sightings]]
* [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]]
* [[HRWiki:Ledger|Ledger]]
* [[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]]
* [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]
* [[WikiTroll]]
* [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]]

Then the external links in another catergory. Does anyone like this idea? I think it draws a clearer distinction between things organized by the site, and additional Knowledge sorted by the Wiki. I think a clearer illustration would be that the Knowlege base is simply the 10 vegetables, and the Wiki Stuff is all the different salads they can be made into. Does anyone understand this very abstract illustration? As of now there is no clear line drawn, and many pages float in between. At the very least pages like [[Inside Jokes]] and [[Songs]] seem to be in the same catergory and in my opinion should be sorted accordingly. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:48, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

The Wiki Stuff should be for all the internal housekeeping pages like help pages, list of Trolls, ongoing projects and the like. The material that branches out from the core H*R content like [[Sightings]] can be grouped together, but they are not Wiki specific things. -[[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 12:44, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Then what about renaming the section, or even adding a seperate section? Perhaps name that one something like... 'Base Knowledge', and the other one like 'Secondary Knowledge', or something like that. Then have Wiki Troll, Ledger, Ect. under 'Wiki Stuff'. Or move EVERYTHING H*R related to Knowlege base, including Inside Jokes, ect, but that would make the menu look very offset... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 12:58, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Does anybody have an opinion about my idea? I think it's a good layout... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 22:56, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

== New Format = <strike>Banners</strike>? ==

I like the new format, it does make the title screen smaller, and more... colorful, I guess, but what happened to those cool banners? Any way to incorporate them into the design at the tops of the boxes? They really gave the main page a distinct look, and I would like to see them live again. If they don't fit, could whoever made them maybe remake one or two for a custom fit? I dunno, just a suggestion. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:28, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also as long as we're on the topic of the new format, what about moving the External Links to below the Wiki Stuff section? There's alot of unused space there. Might even get the page to one screen, without scrolling. Plus should anyone put the explanations of the links back? There seems to be a lack of explanations, only half the links have them. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:32, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Ah ha. I uploaded the banners to [[:Image:officialsite-banner.png]], [[:Image:wikipages-banner.png]], and [[:Image:externallinks-banner.png]]. I'm hoping that someone will come up with something similar that will work with this format. I'm thinking the width should be limited to around 100px.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:16, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I don't see what was wrong with a lil' scrolling. I'm taking this very harshly. It was my only reminder of the old wiki. --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 14:08, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:It reminds me a lot of Wikipedia. Maybe to much. I'm thinkin' we need something to "liven" the page up a bit, maybe like an official "Homestar Runner Wiki" banner across the top of the page. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

== Other New Format comments ==

Oh, god, I looked at the new format and I almost lost my lunch. It's so ugly! I really think the old banners should be back! Is there a way we can get them back?

[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 17:04, 17 Nov 2004

I agree, the Banners are needed. Any way to put them along the tops of the colored boxes, even custom stretching them to fit? I think that would look rather good. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 16:33, 17 Nov 2004 (

:It's not that big of a deal. If you puked over this, I'd hate to ride a Tilt-A-Whirl with you. Get over it. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::I'm starting to notice a pattern of people percieving improvements as being evil here, first with the switchover from Tavi to this, then the reformatting of the front page. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 02:53, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::If there's one thing that never changes, it's that people are afraid of change, no matter how much it improves their lives. Never try to give your grandma a new TV. Anyway, the banners aren't gone for good. The ones we were using just don't fit in the new layout. And just so we're clear: messing about with the front page just because you "liked it better before" is trolling and will be handled as such. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

::uh, how does this change improve my life? I guess the layout is more functional, but as for improvement, I don't think it really adds anything to the site.

::: I agree. It looks more crowded and ugly. Needs more color, like the homestar runner website. Keeping the new layout is fine, we just need smaller banners. (Btw, why is keeping the old layout trolling, yet putting up a worse layout not? I agree with your point, I just find that statement a very harsh thing that goes agenst the wiki spirit.) Also, this layout looks like crap at 800x600 --[[User:James|James]] 13:52, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::Can't we settle this with a vote? --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 18:17, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::I don't know. Whichever wins, a whole mess of people would be mad. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::Afraid of change, no. Liked the banners, yes. :( --[[User:Southpaw018|Southpaw018]] 21:47, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

Talk:Main Page

James — Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:47:24 GMT

James: /* Other New Format comments */

== Links to toons/pages ==

''This has been refactored.'' There was some discussion about whether "External Links" should go at the top or bottom of the page. A few people liked having them at the top for easy access to H*R.com, but it was eventually decided that they should go at the bottom, following Wikipedia's example.

== Screenshots ==
''This has been refactored.'' It would be nice if we could figure out how to make the screenshots on toon/email pages into thumbnails. This would get them out of the way so that content isn't pushed too far down the page. We need (read: Joey needs) to talk to our host about getting Image::Magick installed on the server before that will be possible.

== Upload file ==
''This has been refactored.'' There is some concern that some members of our community (or outsiders for that matter) will upload unnecessary or innappropriate images. It was decided that they could link to them just as easily as they could download them, and it's better for the images to be hosted here than free sites that may be unstable. Bandwidth is not really an issue, though it probably would spike if we allowed uploads (and consequently a lot of image downloads) from our server. There are a number of special pages we can use to monitor uploads so they will not get out of hand: [[Special:Imagelist]], [[Special:Unusedimages]].
:Is there any way to make GIF an allowed format? I don't like GIF any more than the next guy, but it's useful sometimes. For example, the 'tear' icon from [[Strong Sad's Lament]] is an animated GIF, and I'd like to upload it for posterity (since the Lydia one fell off the face of the Earth).

::We can't upload GIF's? I had no idea. I'll look into it. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 08:54, 26 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Adding the rest of the stuff ==
Okay, I did a few tweaks on AgentSeethroo's addition. We have to figure out a few things:
#How to list the Characters on the [[Characters]] page. I know the few characters we have setup now were done with categories. I don't know how we are going to get them all (secondary etc.) on one page.
#I indented the 3 Features. They are under Toons, but I know they deserve a spot on the Main Menu... any other suggestions on how to do that?
#Rejects/Everything Else - what to call the page. Or even if we need that page. Should we just list everything on the Characters page under several headings? And we have to figure out what the categories are going to be.
Ideas everyone? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:10, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay...
#I'm not a huge fan of the Character page on the old wiki, but we may have to do something similar due to the amount of character "aliases" or whatever...I'll have to think about that for a little bit.
#I think the indention is okay, but it's the only thing on the page that's indented. It makes it look kinda wierd. I also thought the [[Features]] link was gonna get ditched from the main page? Maybe I got lost sometime...
#This is gonna take some discussion I think. I think it should go byebye, and if anyone makes ANY pages that could be deemed NOT canon or not very important, like ANYTHING in rejects, it goes under the category of Misc. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 09:55, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Yeah, we need to get Joey in on this discussion. I know he had some great ideas that seem to escape me at the moment. And you are right about the indent. But maybe we could have other indents?

Some of these pages are pretty big. I know that games page might work as two pages. Then an "Old Games" page could be indented underneath or something. Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:39, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::I think that characters can be broken down, as well as games. Maybe even places...maybe...
But I don't wanna randomly start indenting and cluttering things up, either... Joey? -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 12:14, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hm. Does ''every'' character have to go on the Characters page? I think rejected characters shouldn't even show up on the Characters page. If they are linked to from the toons/emails they appear in, or if someone references them in comments, then that's fine. The pages for Rejects should be created, but they need to be designated as stubs. Or, perhaps we can have a "Disputed Characters" category (or whatever name was decided on in that poll a while back, and then create a "Disputed Characters" template that says something like, "The validity of this character is in question. If you feel that this character should be considered for placement within the 'Characters' category, discuss it on the talk page." --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::I agree. Keep them off the Characters page, and create a category for them at most. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:07, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::::Yeah, keep them off the Characters page. But okay then, we need to set up a good system of rules to determine what's going to go in that category/on that page, and say... what's an Inside Joke. And I like the template idea. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:19, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::::And quit asking for my input. I trust you guys. Do what you feel is proper. As for the "features" link, it should go. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:43, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Sketchbook? ==
I just had a thought...should we have the [[Sketchbook]] here on the main page, since it's being updated weekly (or so), or will it only be in the museum?

:That's a good question. We were behind a few weeks when they started doing the Weekly Fanstuff, because we didn't know they weren't going to archive it. I say as long as we have it somewhere and record it for now, we're good either way. If it becomes as regular as Weekly Fanstuff or the Quote of the Week, then we can add it to a more prominent place. I guess. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:13, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:: I do'd it anyway! HA! How's it look? Someone was keepin' up with it already, so I just moverized it.-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:41, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Wiki Stuff ==
Okay, now that that's kinda settled...How are we gonna format the WikiStuff section of the main page? I know not everything will be included in this new wiki, but some stuff needs a place, like HelpDesk and WikiSandbox and whatnot. Do we just follow the same formatting as the old wiki, even though it may be like 5 links and that's it? Is it possible to make a sidebar links thingy that'd show up on every page? That'd be awesome, and it'd set us apart a little more.
Also, half of the pages that we linked on the main page make me wanna barf. I wonder why we never looked these things over periodically? I mean the downloads page, on a scale of 1 to 10 is horrible.5. There's gonna have to be some major overhauling of most those pages to make them look WAY more professional. I'd like to make this a site that TBC can NOT ignore, ya know?
-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:58, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Ah, very good questions. MediaWiki has these things called "[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace Namespace]s". For example the "Category:" part of the link puts the page in the "Category" namespace. Our Wiki's namespace for pages like the sandbox and stuff would go under "Homestar Runner Wiki:" just like the [[Homestar Runner Wiki:General disclaimer]] and [[Homestar Runner Wiki:FAQ]] pages. The HelpDesk is in the "Help:" namespace. See [[Help:Contents]]. Also, a lot of that is under the "Special:" namespace: [[Special:Allpages|Allpages]], [[Special:Listusers|Listusers]], [[Special:Ipblocklist|Ipblocklist]], and so on. We can put stuff over there on the sidebar too. And yes, some of those pages are totally "barf" as you say. I couldn't agree with you more. Maybe someone else has some suggestions on all this... Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:29, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ==
The Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ''really'' needs to be shortened to just HRWiki. Sewiously. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 01:16, 14 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Any idea how I do that? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:04, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. I think I've made the change, but things are still pointing to the wrong places. Check out the "Search" page. The namespace is called the right thing there. However, the "About" and "Disclaimers" pages still point to "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:About" and "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:General_Disclaimer". I'm also looking into changing the name of "Current events" to "H*R.com updates" and making the "Community portal" link a "WikiForum" link instead. On a related note, I found a really useful page for the admins: [[Special:Allmessages]]. This lets us change all of the various system messages. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, I'm a confused kid right now. I've edited at least three of the system messages, but they aren't changing. I've changed them from the [[Special:Allmessages]] page and directly in the Languages.php file. What the heck am I doing wrong?? Specifically, I'm talking about the "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning" pages. Here's where I learned about this: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_namespace. Help! --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:47, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::Okay, our case-change stuff messed up more than I thought it would. Apparently, while I was editing "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning", I should've been editing "Portal", "Portal-url", and "Copyrightwarning". I wonder if there's some way we can limit our case-change stuff to just the HRWiki namespace. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hmm, now the WikiForum link links to a Wiki page called "http://forum..." Hrm.

== Let's Open 'er Up ==
So, lately I've had this horribly sick feeling that things have gone all wrong. This wiki is a community, and therefore a project like this should be done as a community. What we should do, above anything, is get things ready to be opened up. I'd like to see our community finish moving emails, toons, and characters (maybe I'm just lazy, but I really do feel that this is a matter of principle).

I know some of you might be freaking out and thinking that we can't trust our users to move stuff the right way, but think about this: This community has worked so far precisely because we have given everyone the freedom to edit any document. This is the wiki way! If we don't trust our community to get things right, why is this even a wiki in the first place? We might as well just have a normal website maintained by the dozen of us that are working on this migration right now.

So, what we really need to do is all the stuff that's necessary for this place to be operational. We need to build the documentation, make sure all the namespaces and options are set up the way we want them, etc. What do you guys think of this? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:31, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay, this is a little scary. I think for the mostpart, you're right, but we still have to issue of page load. If we open up both the old wiki and the new wiki to everybody, things are going to slow to a crawl again. Can you think of any solution to this? Also, I'm afraid we'll have tons of collision problems with lots of people working on the same documents at the same time. And a lot of people are going to try to copy-and-past things the lazy way, without taking the time to fix links, etc. I agree that this should be a community effort, but I think we have to resolve those issues first. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::I know you guys know I'm against opening it up. We don't even have any of our help page written yet. Or have the copyrights worked out: we have one place that says GNU and one place that says CC. And Jones is right about that page load. and the everyone doing everything at once thing. Just some more stuff to think about.
::As to the problem Joey's dealing with: our not giving everyone the freedom to edit... I think that would create more problems. Joey's right, giving everyone editing rights makes the wiki better, but that happens over a longer period of time. Right now we have to think on the short term. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::I agree with the Tom and Jones. This place is still a wiki, people will still be able to edit it when it opens up. Lettin' everyone on right now, even to help, would be kinda like lettin' a bunch of kids into an amusement park before it's finished and saying "You have to help us finish, though." There. My two cents. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 08:34, 31 Aug 2004 (MST)

== CSS Tweaks ==
Joey, could you increase the paragraph (P tags) spacing in the CSS? It's a little difficult to make out paragraph boundaries right now. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Working on it... --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Done. Sorry it took me so long. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Case issues ==
I just noticed something that might be an issue. Since we made case matter (for the emails), we now have the issue of [[Ballad of the Sneak]] and [[Ballad of The Sneak]] (and every other case variation) being two completely distinct pages. Is this going to be a problem? -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:39, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:This is already a problem on Wikipedia for any word after the first word. For instance, try looking up "George bush". We'll (and when I say we, I'm talking about the whole community, not just us admins) just have to pay close attention and create redirects where necessary -- at least until all the links can be fixed. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:56, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Okay, "George bush" is a bad example because there's already a redirect. Try "Greek orthodox". --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:57, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, no probalo. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]

::::Yeah, we have this issue with [[The Paper]] and [[The paper]]. I think Joey did the redirect for that. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Flash file links ==
Okay, so this has kinda been buggin' me for a while. Whoever first called it "watch this video in fullscreen" obviously had no idea they were linking to the actual raw flash file. Since then, we've continued to call it "watch this video in fullscreen". Can we change it to "download the flash file of this video", or something more meaningful? What do you think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:34, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Hm, I guess you're right. Though I wish you'd mentioned it before I did all the toons. :D Anyway, "download" isn't quite the right term, since it'll just play in most people's browsers. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:52, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. It downloads in Firefox, but I guess that's probably a preference setting. "view the flash file"? "watch the flash file"? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::"view the Flash file" seems good to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 11:32, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::We could use a template, like: <nowiki>[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail50.swf Download the Flash file] {{swf}}</nowiki>, and the <nowiki>{{swf}}</nowiki> prints a small boilerplate saying it may download the Flash file or it may instead view it in "fullscreen". - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 13:48, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Convertulator suggestions ==

StrongBadEmail should be automagically changed to [[Strong Bad Email]]. Anyplace where StrongBadEmail/ appears, it should be removed, so [[StrongBadEmail/flashback]] automagically becomes [[flashback]]. Only problem would be links like this: [[StrongBadEmail/flashback|flashback]]. They would turn out like this: [[flashback|flashback]], which I suppose isn't a big deal, but it's unnecessary bloat. We'll just have to watch for those. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:39, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've implemented your suggestions. However, I did find one small bug. If you have a (()) Wiki link that itself is in parentheses, e.g. "(((Some Page)) here)", the Convertulator will convert the first pair of parentheses, yielding <nowiki>[[(Some Page]] here)</nowiki>. There's no easy fix for this, so unfortunately we'll just have to just be on the lookout for it. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 14:17, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Characters featured ==

While adding Filmography categories, I noticed something. The featured characters lists don't seem to be in any particular order. I've been alphabetizing for the filmography categories, but I think the "Featured:" list should be in order of appearance. Maybe it should say...

'''Cast (in order of appearance): [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]], [[Homsar (character)|Homsar]]'''

What do you guys think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:53, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've always tried to do them in order of appearance. Seems like a good standard to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:54, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Navigation links on left ==

Two, maybe three of the nav links on the left have odd tooltips.

*'''Main Page''' - Visit the main page [alt-z]
**This is fine.
*'''Strong Bad Email''' - About the project, what you can do, where to find things
**Obviously this isn't what it is at all.
*'''H*R.com updates''' - Find background information on current events
**And nor is this ''really''.
*'''Recent changes''' - The list of recent changes in the wiki. [alt-r]
**Also fine.
*'''Random page''' - Load a random page. [alt-x]
**Also fine.
*'''Help''' - The place to find out.
**Slightly odd?

Also, we probably ought to have shortcuts for everything or nothing.

:Very good catch. I didn't even notice that the alt text was still set for the default links that used to be there. We also need to get the external links to the WikiForum and the WikiChat there as well. Thanks for the heads up, "84.9.23.83". -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:34, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

:You're welcome! I've got myself a proper account now. - [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 11:00, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Inside jokes ==

Why are [[Inside Jokes]] classified as "wiki stuff"? They are part of the content of H*R, and do not refer to the workings of the wiki. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 00:31, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I guess [[Rejects]] are in that same catagory. Plus things like the glossary just kind of float somewhere in between. I think some reformatting of the section definitions are in order, as long as the Main Page is recieving an overhaul. Any additional design suggestions? -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:35, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I was just doing some more thinking, and what about having the Knowledge Base contain ONLY the things listed on the H*R main page(s), and put everything left over into Wiki Stuff. Basically it would look something like this, and would have the added bonus of evening the two sections out, leaving External Links on the bottom...

* [[Toons]]
** [[Strong Bad Email]]
** [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]
** [[Teen Girl Squad]]
** [[Powered By The Cheat]]
** [[Puppet Stuff]]
** [[Holiday Toons]]
* [[Games]]
* [[Characters]]
* [[Downloads]]
* [[Store]]
* [[Email]]
* [[Legal]]
* [[Main Pages]]
** [[Weekly Fanstuff]]
** [[Quote of the Week]]
** [[Sketchbook]]
* [[Museum]]
* [[Secret Pages]]

Then this to the right of it: (Perhaps the first part in an additional section)

* [[Places]]
* [[Items]]
* [[Songs]]
* [[Quotes]]
* [[Glossary]]
* [[Inside Jokes]]
* [[Rejects]]
(Perhaps another section here?)
* [[Special:Listusers|List of registered wiki users]]
* [[Links]]
* [[Sightings]]
* [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]]
* [[HRWiki:Ledger|Ledger]]
* [[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]]
* [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]
* [[WikiTroll]]
* [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]]

Then the external links in another catergory. Does anyone like this idea? I think it draws a clearer distinction between things organized by the site, and additional Knowledge sorted by the Wiki. I think a clearer illustration would be that the Knowlege base is simply the 10 vegetables, and the Wiki Stuff is all the different salads they can be made into. Does anyone understand this very abstract illustration? As of now there is no clear line drawn, and many pages float in between. At the very least pages like [[Inside Jokes]] and [[Songs]] seem to be in the same catergory and in my opinion should be sorted accordingly. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:48, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

The Wiki Stuff should be for all the internal housekeeping pages like help pages, list of Trolls, ongoing projects and the like. The material that branches out from the core H*R content like [[Sightings]] can be grouped together, but they are not Wiki specific things. -[[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 12:44, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Then what about renaming the section, or even adding a seperate section? Perhaps name that one something like... 'Base Knowledge', and the other one like 'Secondary Knowledge', or something like that. Then have Wiki Troll, Ledger, Ect. under 'Wiki Stuff'. Or move EVERYTHING H*R related to Knowlege base, including Inside Jokes, ect, but that would make the menu look very offset... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 12:58, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Does anybody have an opinion about my idea? I think it's a good layout... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 22:56, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

== New Format = <strike>Banners</strike>? ==

I like the new format, it does make the title screen smaller, and more... colorful, I guess, but what happened to those cool banners? Any way to incorporate them into the design at the tops of the boxes? They really gave the main page a distinct look, and I would like to see them live again. If they don't fit, could whoever made them maybe remake one or two for a custom fit? I dunno, just a suggestion. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:28, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also as long as we're on the topic of the new format, what about moving the External Links to below the Wiki Stuff section? There's alot of unused space there. Might even get the page to one screen, without scrolling. Plus should anyone put the explanations of the links back? There seems to be a lack of explanations, only half the links have them. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:32, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Ah ha. I uploaded the banners to [[:Image:officialsite-banner.png]], [[:Image:wikipages-banner.png]], and [[:Image:externallinks-banner.png]]. I'm hoping that someone will come up with something similar that will work with this format. I'm thinking the width should be limited to around 100px.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:16, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I don't see what was wrong with a lil' scrolling. I'm taking this very harshly. It was my only reminder of the old wiki. --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 14:08, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:It reminds me a lot of Wikipedia. Maybe to much. I'm thinkin' we need something to "liven" the page up a bit, maybe like an official "Homestar Runner Wiki" banner across the top of the page. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

== Other New Format comments ==

Oh, god, I looked at the new format and I almost lost my lunch. It's so ugly! I really think the old banners should be back! Is there a way we can get them back?

[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 17:04, 17 Nov 2004

I agree, the Banners are needed. Any way to put them along the tops of the colored boxes, even custom stretching them to fit? I think that would look rather good. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 16:33, 17 Nov 2004 (

:It's not that big of a deal. If you puked over this, I'd hate to ride a Tilt-A-Whirl with you. Get over it. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::I'm starting to notice a pattern of people percieving improvements as being evil here, first with the switchover from Tavi to this, then the reformatting of the front page. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 02:53, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::If there's one thing that never changes, it's that people are afraid of change, no matter how much it improves their lives. Never try to give your grandma a new TV. Anyway, the banners aren't gone for good. The ones we were using just don't fit in the new layout. And just so we're clear: messing about with the front page just because you "liked it better before" is trolling and will be handled as such. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

::uh, how does this change improve my life? I guess the layout is more functional, but as for improvement, I don't think it really adds anything to the site.

::: I agree. It looks more crowded and ugly. Needs more color, like the homestar runner website. Keeping the new layout is fine, we just need smaller banners. (Btw, why is keeping the old layout trolling, yet putting up a worse layout not? I agree with your point, I just find that statement a very harsh thing that goes agenst the wiki spirit.) --[[User:James|James]] 13:47, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::Can't we settle this with a vote? --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 18:17, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::I don't know. Whichever wins, a whole mess of people would be mad. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::Afraid of change, no. Liked the banners, yes. :( --[[User:Southpaw018|Southpaw018]] 21:47, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

Talk:Main Page

James — Fri, 19 Nov 2004 20:46:27 GMT

James: /* Other New Format comments */

== Links to toons/pages ==

''This has been refactored.'' There was some discussion about whether "External Links" should go at the top or bottom of the page. A few people liked having them at the top for easy access to H*R.com, but it was eventually decided that they should go at the bottom, following Wikipedia's example.

== Screenshots ==
''This has been refactored.'' It would be nice if we could figure out how to make the screenshots on toon/email pages into thumbnails. This would get them out of the way so that content isn't pushed too far down the page. We need (read: Joey needs) to talk to our host about getting Image::Magick installed on the server before that will be possible.

== Upload file ==
''This has been refactored.'' There is some concern that some members of our community (or outsiders for that matter) will upload unnecessary or innappropriate images. It was decided that they could link to them just as easily as they could download them, and it's better for the images to be hosted here than free sites that may be unstable. Bandwidth is not really an issue, though it probably would spike if we allowed uploads (and consequently a lot of image downloads) from our server. There are a number of special pages we can use to monitor uploads so they will not get out of hand: [[Special:Imagelist]], [[Special:Unusedimages]].
:Is there any way to make GIF an allowed format? I don't like GIF any more than the next guy, but it's useful sometimes. For example, the 'tear' icon from [[Strong Sad's Lament]] is an animated GIF, and I'd like to upload it for posterity (since the Lydia one fell off the face of the Earth).

::We can't upload GIF's? I had no idea. I'll look into it. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 08:54, 26 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Adding the rest of the stuff ==
Okay, I did a few tweaks on AgentSeethroo's addition. We have to figure out a few things:
#How to list the Characters on the [[Characters]] page. I know the few characters we have setup now were done with categories. I don't know how we are going to get them all (secondary etc.) on one page.
#I indented the 3 Features. They are under Toons, but I know they deserve a spot on the Main Menu... any other suggestions on how to do that?
#Rejects/Everything Else - what to call the page. Or even if we need that page. Should we just list everything on the Characters page under several headings? And we have to figure out what the categories are going to be.
Ideas everyone? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:10, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay...
#I'm not a huge fan of the Character page on the old wiki, but we may have to do something similar due to the amount of character "aliases" or whatever...I'll have to think about that for a little bit.
#I think the indention is okay, but it's the only thing on the page that's indented. It makes it look kinda wierd. I also thought the [[Features]] link was gonna get ditched from the main page? Maybe I got lost sometime...
#This is gonna take some discussion I think. I think it should go byebye, and if anyone makes ANY pages that could be deemed NOT canon or not very important, like ANYTHING in rejects, it goes under the category of Misc. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 09:55, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Yeah, we need to get Joey in on this discussion. I know he had some great ideas that seem to escape me at the moment. And you are right about the indent. But maybe we could have other indents?

Some of these pages are pretty big. I know that games page might work as two pages. Then an "Old Games" page could be indented underneath or something. Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:39, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::I think that characters can be broken down, as well as games. Maybe even places...maybe...
But I don't wanna randomly start indenting and cluttering things up, either... Joey? -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 12:14, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hm. Does ''every'' character have to go on the Characters page? I think rejected characters shouldn't even show up on the Characters page. If they are linked to from the toons/emails they appear in, or if someone references them in comments, then that's fine. The pages for Rejects should be created, but they need to be designated as stubs. Or, perhaps we can have a "Disputed Characters" category (or whatever name was decided on in that poll a while back, and then create a "Disputed Characters" template that says something like, "The validity of this character is in question. If you feel that this character should be considered for placement within the 'Characters' category, discuss it on the talk page." --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::I agree. Keep them off the Characters page, and create a category for them at most. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:07, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::::Yeah, keep them off the Characters page. But okay then, we need to set up a good system of rules to determine what's going to go in that category/on that page, and say... what's an Inside Joke. And I like the template idea. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:19, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::::And quit asking for my input. I trust you guys. Do what you feel is proper. As for the "features" link, it should go. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:43, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Sketchbook? ==
I just had a thought...should we have the [[Sketchbook]] here on the main page, since it's being updated weekly (or so), or will it only be in the museum?

:That's a good question. We were behind a few weeks when they started doing the Weekly Fanstuff, because we didn't know they weren't going to archive it. I say as long as we have it somewhere and record it for now, we're good either way. If it becomes as regular as Weekly Fanstuff or the Quote of the Week, then we can add it to a more prominent place. I guess. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:13, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:: I do'd it anyway! HA! How's it look? Someone was keepin' up with it already, so I just moverized it.-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:41, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Wiki Stuff ==
Okay, now that that's kinda settled...How are we gonna format the WikiStuff section of the main page? I know not everything will be included in this new wiki, but some stuff needs a place, like HelpDesk and WikiSandbox and whatnot. Do we just follow the same formatting as the old wiki, even though it may be like 5 links and that's it? Is it possible to make a sidebar links thingy that'd show up on every page? That'd be awesome, and it'd set us apart a little more.
Also, half of the pages that we linked on the main page make me wanna barf. I wonder why we never looked these things over periodically? I mean the downloads page, on a scale of 1 to 10 is horrible.5. There's gonna have to be some major overhauling of most those pages to make them look WAY more professional. I'd like to make this a site that TBC can NOT ignore, ya know?
-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:58, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Ah, very good questions. MediaWiki has these things called "[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace Namespace]s". For example the "Category:" part of the link puts the page in the "Category" namespace. Our Wiki's namespace for pages like the sandbox and stuff would go under "Homestar Runner Wiki:" just like the [[Homestar Runner Wiki:General disclaimer]] and [[Homestar Runner Wiki:FAQ]] pages. The HelpDesk is in the "Help:" namespace. See [[Help:Contents]]. Also, a lot of that is under the "Special:" namespace: [[Special:Allpages|Allpages]], [[Special:Listusers|Listusers]], [[Special:Ipblocklist|Ipblocklist]], and so on. We can put stuff over there on the sidebar too. And yes, some of those pages are totally "barf" as you say. I couldn't agree with you more. Maybe someone else has some suggestions on all this... Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:29, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ==
The Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ''really'' needs to be shortened to just HRWiki. Sewiously. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 01:16, 14 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Any idea how I do that? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:04, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. I think I've made the change, but things are still pointing to the wrong places. Check out the "Search" page. The namespace is called the right thing there. However, the "About" and "Disclaimers" pages still point to "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:About" and "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:General_Disclaimer". I'm also looking into changing the name of "Current events" to "H*R.com updates" and making the "Community portal" link a "WikiForum" link instead. On a related note, I found a really useful page for the admins: [[Special:Allmessages]]. This lets us change all of the various system messages. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, I'm a confused kid right now. I've edited at least three of the system messages, but they aren't changing. I've changed them from the [[Special:Allmessages]] page and directly in the Languages.php file. What the heck am I doing wrong?? Specifically, I'm talking about the "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning" pages. Here's where I learned about this: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_namespace. Help! --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:47, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::Okay, our case-change stuff messed up more than I thought it would. Apparently, while I was editing "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning", I should've been editing "Portal", "Portal-url", and "Copyrightwarning". I wonder if there's some way we can limit our case-change stuff to just the HRWiki namespace. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hmm, now the WikiForum link links to a Wiki page called "http://forum..." Hrm.

== Let's Open 'er Up ==
So, lately I've had this horribly sick feeling that things have gone all wrong. This wiki is a community, and therefore a project like this should be done as a community. What we should do, above anything, is get things ready to be opened up. I'd like to see our community finish moving emails, toons, and characters (maybe I'm just lazy, but I really do feel that this is a matter of principle).

I know some of you might be freaking out and thinking that we can't trust our users to move stuff the right way, but think about this: This community has worked so far precisely because we have given everyone the freedom to edit any document. This is the wiki way! If we don't trust our community to get things right, why is this even a wiki in the first place? We might as well just have a normal website maintained by the dozen of us that are working on this migration right now.

So, what we really need to do is all the stuff that's necessary for this place to be operational. We need to build the documentation, make sure all the namespaces and options are set up the way we want them, etc. What do you guys think of this? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:31, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay, this is a little scary. I think for the mostpart, you're right, but we still have to issue of page load. If we open up both the old wiki and the new wiki to everybody, things are going to slow to a crawl again. Can you think of any solution to this? Also, I'm afraid we'll have tons of collision problems with lots of people working on the same documents at the same time. And a lot of people are going to try to copy-and-past things the lazy way, without taking the time to fix links, etc. I agree that this should be a community effort, but I think we have to resolve those issues first. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::I know you guys know I'm against opening it up. We don't even have any of our help page written yet. Or have the copyrights worked out: we have one place that says GNU and one place that says CC. And Jones is right about that page load. and the everyone doing everything at once thing. Just some more stuff to think about.
::As to the problem Joey's dealing with: our not giving everyone the freedom to edit... I think that would create more problems. Joey's right, giving everyone editing rights makes the wiki better, but that happens over a longer period of time. Right now we have to think on the short term. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::I agree with the Tom and Jones. This place is still a wiki, people will still be able to edit it when it opens up. Lettin' everyone on right now, even to help, would be kinda like lettin' a bunch of kids into an amusement park before it's finished and saying "You have to help us finish, though." There. My two cents. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 08:34, 31 Aug 2004 (MST)

== CSS Tweaks ==
Joey, could you increase the paragraph (P tags) spacing in the CSS? It's a little difficult to make out paragraph boundaries right now. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Working on it... --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Done. Sorry it took me so long. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Case issues ==
I just noticed something that might be an issue. Since we made case matter (for the emails), we now have the issue of [[Ballad of the Sneak]] and [[Ballad of The Sneak]] (and every other case variation) being two completely distinct pages. Is this going to be a problem? -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:39, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:This is already a problem on Wikipedia for any word after the first word. For instance, try looking up "George bush". We'll (and when I say we, I'm talking about the whole community, not just us admins) just have to pay close attention and create redirects where necessary -- at least until all the links can be fixed. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:56, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Okay, "George bush" is a bad example because there's already a redirect. Try "Greek orthodox". --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:57, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, no probalo. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]

::::Yeah, we have this issue with [[The Paper]] and [[The paper]]. I think Joey did the redirect for that. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Flash file links ==
Okay, so this has kinda been buggin' me for a while. Whoever first called it "watch this video in fullscreen" obviously had no idea they were linking to the actual raw flash file. Since then, we've continued to call it "watch this video in fullscreen". Can we change it to "download the flash file of this video", or something more meaningful? What do you think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:34, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Hm, I guess you're right. Though I wish you'd mentioned it before I did all the toons. :D Anyway, "download" isn't quite the right term, since it'll just play in most people's browsers. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:52, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. It downloads in Firefox, but I guess that's probably a preference setting. "view the flash file"? "watch the flash file"? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::"view the Flash file" seems good to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 11:32, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::We could use a template, like: <nowiki>[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail50.swf Download the Flash file] {{swf}}</nowiki>, and the <nowiki>{{swf}}</nowiki> prints a small boilerplate saying it may download the Flash file or it may instead view it in "fullscreen". - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 13:48, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Convertulator suggestions ==

StrongBadEmail should be automagically changed to [[Strong Bad Email]]. Anyplace where StrongBadEmail/ appears, it should be removed, so [[StrongBadEmail/flashback]] automagically becomes [[flashback]]. Only problem would be links like this: [[StrongBadEmail/flashback|flashback]]. They would turn out like this: [[flashback|flashback]], which I suppose isn't a big deal, but it's unnecessary bloat. We'll just have to watch for those. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:39, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've implemented your suggestions. However, I did find one small bug. If you have a (()) Wiki link that itself is in parentheses, e.g. "(((Some Page)) here)", the Convertulator will convert the first pair of parentheses, yielding <nowiki>[[(Some Page]] here)</nowiki>. There's no easy fix for this, so unfortunately we'll just have to just be on the lookout for it. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 14:17, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Characters featured ==

While adding Filmography categories, I noticed something. The featured characters lists don't seem to be in any particular order. I've been alphabetizing for the filmography categories, but I think the "Featured:" list should be in order of appearance. Maybe it should say...

'''Cast (in order of appearance): [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]], [[Homsar (character)|Homsar]]'''

What do you guys think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:53, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've always tried to do them in order of appearance. Seems like a good standard to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:54, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Navigation links on left ==

Two, maybe three of the nav links on the left have odd tooltips.

*'''Main Page''' - Visit the main page [alt-z]
**This is fine.
*'''Strong Bad Email''' - About the project, what you can do, where to find things
**Obviously this isn't what it is at all.
*'''H*R.com updates''' - Find background information on current events
**And nor is this ''really''.
*'''Recent changes''' - The list of recent changes in the wiki. [alt-r]
**Also fine.
*'''Random page''' - Load a random page. [alt-x]
**Also fine.
*'''Help''' - The place to find out.
**Slightly odd?

Also, we probably ought to have shortcuts for everything or nothing.

:Very good catch. I didn't even notice that the alt text was still set for the default links that used to be there. We also need to get the external links to the WikiForum and the WikiChat there as well. Thanks for the heads up, "84.9.23.83". -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:34, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

:You're welcome! I've got myself a proper account now. - [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 11:00, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Inside jokes ==

Why are [[Inside Jokes]] classified as "wiki stuff"? They are part of the content of H*R, and do not refer to the workings of the wiki. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 00:31, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I guess [[Rejects]] are in that same catagory. Plus things like the glossary just kind of float somewhere in between. I think some reformatting of the section definitions are in order, as long as the Main Page is recieving an overhaul. Any additional design suggestions? -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:35, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I was just doing some more thinking, and what about having the Knowledge Base contain ONLY the things listed on the H*R main page(s), and put everything left over into Wiki Stuff. Basically it would look something like this, and would have the added bonus of evening the two sections out, leaving External Links on the bottom...

* [[Toons]]
** [[Strong Bad Email]]
** [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]
** [[Teen Girl Squad]]
** [[Powered By The Cheat]]
** [[Puppet Stuff]]
** [[Holiday Toons]]
* [[Games]]
* [[Characters]]
* [[Downloads]]
* [[Store]]
* [[Email]]
* [[Legal]]
* [[Main Pages]]
** [[Weekly Fanstuff]]
** [[Quote of the Week]]
** [[Sketchbook]]
* [[Museum]]
* [[Secret Pages]]

Then this to the right of it: (Perhaps the first part in an additional section)

* [[Places]]
* [[Items]]
* [[Songs]]
* [[Quotes]]
* [[Glossary]]
* [[Inside Jokes]]
* [[Rejects]]
(Perhaps another section here?)
* [[Special:Listusers|List of registered wiki users]]
* [[Links]]
* [[Sightings]]
* [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]]
* [[HRWiki:Ledger|Ledger]]
* [[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]]
* [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]
* [[WikiTroll]]
* [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]]

Then the external links in another catergory. Does anyone like this idea? I think it draws a clearer distinction between things organized by the site, and additional Knowledge sorted by the Wiki. I think a clearer illustration would be that the Knowlege base is simply the 10 vegetables, and the Wiki Stuff is all the different salads they can be made into. Does anyone understand this very abstract illustration? As of now there is no clear line drawn, and many pages float in between. At the very least pages like [[Inside Jokes]] and [[Songs]] seem to be in the same catergory and in my opinion should be sorted accordingly. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:48, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

The Wiki Stuff should be for all the internal housekeeping pages like help pages, list of Trolls, ongoing projects and the like. The material that branches out from the core H*R content like [[Sightings]] can be grouped together, but they are not Wiki specific things. -[[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 12:44, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Then what about renaming the section, or even adding a seperate section? Perhaps name that one something like... 'Base Knowledge', and the other one like 'Secondary Knowledge', or something like that. Then have Wiki Troll, Ledger, Ect. under 'Wiki Stuff'. Or move EVERYTHING H*R related to Knowlege base, including Inside Jokes, ect, but that would make the menu look very offset... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 12:58, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Does anybody have an opinion about my idea? I think it's a good layout... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 22:56, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

== New Format = <strike>Banners</strike>? ==

I like the new format, it does make the title screen smaller, and more... colorful, I guess, but what happened to those cool banners? Any way to incorporate them into the design at the tops of the boxes? They really gave the main page a distinct look, and I would like to see them live again. If they don't fit, could whoever made them maybe remake one or two for a custom fit? I dunno, just a suggestion. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:28, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also as long as we're on the topic of the new format, what about moving the External Links to below the Wiki Stuff section? There's alot of unused space there. Might even get the page to one screen, without scrolling. Plus should anyone put the explanations of the links back? There seems to be a lack of explanations, only half the links have them. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:32, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Ah ha. I uploaded the banners to [[:Image:officialsite-banner.png]], [[:Image:wikipages-banner.png]], and [[:Image:externallinks-banner.png]]. I'm hoping that someone will come up with something similar that will work with this format. I'm thinking the width should be limited to around 100px.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:16, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I don't see what was wrong with a lil' scrolling. I'm taking this very harshly. It was my only reminder of the old wiki. --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 14:08, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:It reminds me a lot of Wikipedia. Maybe to much. I'm thinkin' we need something to "liven" the page up a bit, maybe like an official "Homestar Runner Wiki" banner across the top of the page. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

== Other New Format comments ==

Oh, god, I looked at the new format and I almost lost my lunch. It's so ugly! I really think the old banners should be back! Is there a way we can get them back?

[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 17:04, 17 Nov 2004

I agree, the Banners are needed. Any way to put them along the tops of the colored boxes, even custom stretching them to fit? I think that would look rather good. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 16:33, 17 Nov 2004 (

:It's not that big of a deal. If you puked over this, I'd hate to ride a Tilt-A-Whirl with you. Get over it. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::I'm starting to notice a pattern of people percieving improvements as being evil here, first with the switchover from Tavi to this, then the reformatting of the front page. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 02:53, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::If there's one thing that never changes, it's that people are afraid of change, no matter how much it improves their lives. Never try to give your grandma a new TV. Anyway, the banners aren't gone for good. The ones we were using just don't fit in the new layout. And just so we're clear: messing about with the front page just because you "liked it better before" is trolling and will be handled as such. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

::uh, how does this change improve my life? I guess the layout is more functional, but as for improvement, I don't think it really adds anything to the site.

::: I agree. It looks more crowded and ugly. Needs more color, like the homestar runner website. Keeping the new layout is fine, we just need smaller banners. (Btw, why is keeping the old layout trolling, yet putting up a worse layout not? Sorry, I just find that a very harsh thing that goes agenst the wiki spirit.) --[[User:James|James]] 13:46, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::Can't we settle this with a vote? --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 18:17, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::I don't know. Whichever wins, a whole mess of people would be mad. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::Afraid of change, no. Liked the banners, yes. :( --[[User:Southpaw018|Southpaw018]] 21:47, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

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Links

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James: /* Want to link to this Wiki from your website? */

Links to other Homestar Runner related websites.

== Linking Rules ==
*'''Active sites only''' - If a site is down indefinitely, on indefinite hiatus, inactive for several months, or "Coming Soon", it will be removed.
*'''No editorializing''' - List only the name of the site and a ''very'' brief description of its content. Comments like "The best fansite!!" will be removed.

== Official Sites ==
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com/ homestarrunner.com] - The official site.
*[http://www.videlectrix.com/ videlectrix.com] - The official site for [[Games]] released by [[The Brothers Chaps]] under the [[Videlectrix]] banner.
*[http://www.thoraxcorp.com/ thoraxcorp.com] - The web site of [[Thorax Corporation]], a fake business created by TBC.
*[http://www.mellowmushroom.com/ mellowmushroom.com] - A non-Homestar Runner related site designed by TBC.

== Mirrors ==
Mirrors to some of the content from the official site.

*[http://e2tl.playvectrex.com/mirror/ e2tl.playvectrex.com/mirror] - A mirror of some files that are no longer present on the official site, including [[A Jumping Jack Contest]] and [[Marshmallow's Last Stand (toon)|Marshmallow's Last Stand]].

*[http://homestar-community.com/mirror/ www.homestar-community.com/mirror] - A mirror of some pages, still in the works.]

== Articles ==
Articles about H*R.com or The Brothers Chaps.

*[http://www.tucsonweekly.com/gbase/music/Content?oid=oid:59640 Tucson Weekly TMBG Interview], [[They Might Be Giants]] talk about their collaboration, 19 August 2004
*[http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.07/play.html Wired They Might Be Giants Interview] - July 2004
*[http://www.nytimes.com/2003/08/28/arts/music/28POPL.html?ex=1377403200&en=f7d422e653648f25&ei=5007&partner=USERLAND Kindred World in Animation] - New York Times, 28 August 2003
*[http://www.chicagotribune.com/technology/chi-0307240305jul24,0,2140549.story?coll=chi-technology-hed Atlanta brothers turn doodles into oodles of fun on Internet] - Chicago Tribune, 24 July 2003
*[http://www.livejournal.com/community/homestar_runner/899307.html Wonkavision Magazine Feature] - Scans of the 5-page feature from [http://www.wonkavisionmagazine.com/store/backissues.html Issue #21], Spring 2003

== Interviews with the Creators ==
=== Text ===
''NOTE:'' Interviews may contain mature content and/or foul language.

*[http://www.adventuregamers.com/article/id,416 Adventure Gamers Interview] - Interview about [[Peasant's Quest]] with Matt, Mike, and [[Jonathan Howe]] - 2 July 2004
*[http://www.theinkhole.com/homestar1.htm The Inkhole Interview] - July 2004
*[http://www.ajc.com/living/content/living/0703/21homestar.html Atlanta Journal Constitution Interview] - 21 July 2003 (Free [http://www.bugmenot.com/view.php?url=ajc.com login required].)
*[http://www.tlchicken.com/view_story.php?ARTid=1374 Tastes Like Chicken Interview] - June 2003
*[http://members.shaw.ca/kevinscott/Homestar/ UMFM Interview] - 20 May 2003
*[http://www.unb.ca/bruns/0203/24/entertainment/homestar.html The Brunswickan Interview] - 4 April 2003
*[http://www.wonkavisionmagazine.com/homestarrunner.html Wonkavision Magazine Interview with the characters] - Issue [http://www.wonkavisionmagazine.com/store/backissues.html #21] - Spring 2003
*[http://penguinbros.com/homestarrunner.html Penguin Bros. Interview]
*[http://www.retrocrush.com/homestar/index2.html retroCRUSH Interview]
*[http://www.rundevilrun.com/ezine/interviews/hsrunner/ Run Devil Run Interview]

=== Audio ===
*[http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/spirit/interviews/100902_--_homestarrunner_dot_com.wax The R!OT Radio Interview 1] - 2002
*[http://boss.streamos.com/wmedia/spirit/interviews/022803_--_homestar_runner.wax The R!OT Radio Interview 2] - 2003
*[http://www.wired.com/news/mediaplayer/0,2108,59343-59343-strongbad_int_qt_hi,00.html Wired Phone Interview] - 2002 - (Transcription, audio files linked; mirrored below.)
**[http://www.cs.utah.edu/~swilde/hsw/media/strongbad_int_qt_hi.mov Mirror 1] (6.9MB QuickTime)
**[http://www.cs.utah.edu/~swilde/hsw/media/strongbad_int_qt_lo.mov Mirror 2] (5.1MB QuickTime)
**''NOTE:'' Please DO NOT hotlink these files.

=== Video ===
*[http://www.g4techtv.com/html/videostream.asp?file=G4_Extras_Pulse_Homestar.wmv G4TechTV "Pulse" Interview] - 1 August 2003
**[http://webpage.pace.edu/tp33795n/G4_Extras_Pulse_Homestar.wmv Mirror 1]. (''NOTE:'' Please DO NOT hotlink this file.)
**[http://porplemontage.com/media/G4_Extras_Pulse_Homestar.wmv Mirror 2].

== Fan Sites ==
*[http://www.burninghorizon.com/strongbad/ Strong Bad Email Secrets]
*[http://www.everybodytothelimit.com/ EverybodyToTheLimit.com] - A [[Fhqwhgads]]-themed fan site.
*[http://homestar.meetup.com/ Homestar Runner at MeetUp.com] - Meet other H*R fans in your area.
*[http://20x6.cjb.net/ Trogdor's Domain] - A [[Trogdor]]-themed fan site with [[Strong Bad Email]]s and [[Marzipan's Answering Machine|Answering Machines]] in MP3 format.
*[http://geocities.com/strongbadiaworld/ Strongbadiaworld] - Strong Bad rendered in 3-D.
*[http://www.blurty.com/community/fhqwhgads/ Fhqwhgads: A Homestar Runner Community] - A [http://www.blurty.com/ Blurty] community for H*R-themed animated and still icons.
*[http://www.blueshinra.com/minishrines/limozeen/ Limozeen Mini-Shrine]
*[http://groups.msn.com/TheHomestarRunnerFanSite/general.msnw The HomestarRunner Fan Site] - An MSN Group.
*[http://www.freewebs.com/isle-of-pom/ The Isle of Pom] - A H*R fan site.
*[http://www.poopsmithfansite.cjb.net/ Poopsmith Fan Site] - Currently Down/Non-existent
*[http://www.strongfans.com/ StrongFans.com] - A H*R fan site and community.
*[http://www.livejournal.com/community/homestar_runner/518052.html LiveJournal List] - A LiveJournal post with hundreds of H*R-related links.
*[http://home.earthlink.net/~tomjschuler/ The Unofficial Limozeen Fansite]
*[http://public.fotki.com/marksism/2003/homestar_runner/ Homestar Runner Background Album] - Many H*R-themed wallpaper images.
*[http://www.greatestsiteever.com/homestarpictures/thumbnails.php?album=2 Greatest Homestar Gallery Ever!] - Many H*R images.
*[http://www.freewebs.com/hrencyclopedia/ Aich-Star-Arr Compendium] - An encylopedia of H*R characters.
*[http://homestarweb.tripod.com/ Homestar Runner Music Stop] - The Homestar Runner Music Stop
*[http://homestar33.proboards31.com/ H*R Boards] - An H*R message board.
*[http://www.strongbadforever.com Strong Bad Forever] - Complete Easter Egg guide, forum, and download goodies
*[http://www.homestar-community.com/ H*R Fan Community] - AKA [http://www.homestar-community.tk www.homestar-community.tk]
*[http://www.hsrforum.com/ H*R Forum] A Homestar Runner fan forum

== Other Sites ==
*[http://www.geocities.com/jurjyfrort/homestarquiz.html Which Homestar Runner Character Are You?] - A personality quiz.
*[http://dirkcrimson.keenspace.com/pics/homestarswitch.html Homestar Switch Ad] - A H*R-themed parody of the Apple "Switch" ads.
*[http://www.strongbadmod.com/ Strong Bad Mod] - A H*R-themed mod for the game Half-Life. On hold because of lack of coders. Visit the site for more information.
*[http://www.angelfire.com/hi5/redcards/ Tim's Homestar Runner Redemption Cards] - H*R-themed cards for a Christian collectible card game.
*[http://interglacial.com/rss/homestar.rss H*R RSS feed] - Syndicated updates polled 3 times a day

== Forums ==
*[http://www.burninghorizon.com/hsrforum/ Burning Horizon's H*R Fan Forum]
*[http://www.homestar-community.com/ H*R Community Fan Forums]
*[http://www.everybodytothelimit.com/bored/ EverybodyToTheLimit.com Forum]
*[http://homestarrules.com/ Homestar Rules Forum]
*[http://www.usshomestarrunner.com/ USS Homestar Runner Forum]
*[http://www.hsrforum.com/ H*R Forum]

== Interesting Redirects ==
*[http://www.thnikkaman.com/ thnikkaman.com] - Links directly to [[monument]]. Not owned or operated by The Brothers Chaps.
*[http://www.stinkoman.com/ stinkoman.com] - Links directly to [[japanese cartoon]]. Not owned or operated by TBC.
*[http://jomama.com/ jomama.com]- Links directly to [[The System Is Down]]. Not owned or operated by TBC.
*[http://www.peasantsquest.com/ peasantsquest.com] - Links directly to [[Peasant's Quest]]. Not owned or operated by TBC.
*[http://www.strongsad.com strongsad.com] - Links to Homestarrunner.com.

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Sightings

James — Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:47:35 GMT

James: added googleblog

Homestar is slowly taking over the world. If you don't believe me, just take a look at the sightings we've seen so far. If you have any that aren't here, please add them. If you have a picture for a sighting that does not have one already, please feel free to load it up.

Of course, we politely ask that you do not hotlink to images, especially ones that do not belong to you. Just a simple link to the image will do. Also, this will insure that the page will load faster for users with slower Internet connections.

== TELEVISION ==

===''The Screen Savers''===
On an episode of The Screen Savers on G4TechTV there was a guest on there that knows how to make Atari 2600 games and he is making a Homestar Runner game, he isn't done with it though. He's only been able to make homestar walk around so far.

===''The Geek Show''===
On [http://www.thegeekshow.com/ The Geek Show], [[Strong Bad Email]]s are frequently shown as an example of "Whats funny on the internet"

===''Junkin''===
On the television show [http://www.turnersouth.com/network/shows/junkin/ Junkin'] one of the hosts, Dave, appeared in one episode wearing a [[Trogdor]] shirt.

===''Squirt TV''===
In New Zealand there is a show called Squirt and each week they have a featured website (the "Hot Spot"). One week it was...you guessed it...Homestarrunner.com. They talked about it for awhile and then switched on to some other crap they play on the show. Its a really dumb show and I just happened to be watching it then. -Spud 'Reinforced Steel' O'Connor
=== ''Buffy'' ===
Buffy the Vampire Slayer referenced Trogdor as a villain in a game of Dungeons and Dragons.

=== ''Megas XLR'' ===
In an episode called "Breakout", Coop tried to use an attack called Double Duece by jumping and putting two fists in front of him.

=== ''Angel'' ===
In an episode of "Angel" entitled "The Girl In Question", (also entitled "An Italian job for Spike and Angel") Angel and Spike were looking for Buffy overseas. They come to the apartment where Buffy lives, but Andrew was the only one there. He was talking to them about someone named "The Immortal", and he was wearing a Black STRONGBAD T-Shirt! He was also wearing it as he had a pore strip on later on in the episode. It was season 5. Written by: Steven S. !DeKnight and Drew Goddard. Directed by: David Greenwalt.

=== ''Monster House'' ===
In an Episode of Monster House, the Host, Steve is wearing a Strong Bad T-shirt during the introductions. The episode is [http://www.tvtome.com/MonsterHouse/season1.html#ep18 Sports House] which first aired February 2, 2004.

=== ''Pulse Interview'' ===
In early 2004 the show Pulse on G4TechTV talked with the brothers chaps, and asked them about their new game that they are developing for the Atari 2600. They showed many video clips of their Atari game. The Chaps told about how they record their voices and how successful they have been. They announced that later this year they are going to release a DVD with the First 100 emails. Later after the commercial break they went to interview the company that is developing the homestarrunner game. The company was Videlectrix of course. The whole interview was weird because you could tell that the videlectrix owner was just one of the brothers Chaps in a mustache but the whole making an Atari game was real. (I don't know if you can find any of this episode on the internet but I did record it, but I don't know how I would be able to put it on the internet. Contact me at corneli23@hotmail.com if you want to)

=== ''Cheat'' ===
On one episode of Cheat on G4TechTV, they were talking about a random name generator on a game and if you made names long enough, Homsar would show up. The host said his name wrong though.

=== ''Survivor: Pearl Islands'' ===
When Ryan Shoulders (known on the show as Ryan S.) picks up some tree mail (the show's system of getting messages to the castaways), he sings the opening to SB Email [[techno]], singing it as "the tree mail, the tree mail, what, what, the tree mail." This may also explain Ryan S.' name appearing in the email "[[theme park]]".

=== ''X-Play'' ===
On an episode of G4TechTV's X-Play, the wrestling game "WWE: Day of Reckoning" is reviewed, and when the "create your own wrestler" mode is being demoed, the created wrestler (presumably created for the show, not by the game's developers) looks suspiciously like Strong Bad, and appears to be named alternately "SB" and "Essbee". You can see the [http://porplemontage.com/media/XPLAY_SB.wmv video here].

== RADIO ==
=== ''Quizno's and Homestar on NPR'' ===
On March 9th, Homestarrunner.com was featured on NPR's Talk of the nation. You can find the radio segment [http://www.npr.org/features/feature.php?wfId=1753401 Here]. You have to listen a little bit to get to the segment. It features [[kind of cool|StrongBadEmail/kind of cool]], as well as the email [[different town]]. It starts around 9:15 into the clip and lasts until the end. Of note: a kid, Simon, calls at 12:20 and asks about [[The Brothers Chaps]]. Sounds like these guys could have used a visit to the [[Main Page|Homestar Runner Wiki]]...

== ADVERTISING ==
=== ''Soap Box Commercial'' ===
A Soap Box racing commercial on Cartoon Network decorated a car with Teen Girl Squad.

=== ''SMS Advert'' ===
On a picture messaging advertisement in NZ/Aus, while it flicks through various picture messages/cellphone wallpapers, a picture of Trogdor pops up.

===Car Stereo Ad===
The face of a car stereo display in the Crutchfield catalog and the Crutchfield.com website reads "STRONG BAD" [http://www.crutchfield.com/S-9NLqsuV6KND/cgi-bin/ProdView.asp?s=0&cc=01&g=186750&id=morephotos&pi=4&i=113MPV5025&display=XL#Tab See the display] - "Click the colored display views"

== MAGAZINES ==
=== ''Game-Now Magazine'' ===
*The now-defunct Game-Now magazine featured Homestar Runner in the "Hot or Not" section of its Issue 12. ([http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/5953/gamennow1.jpg Scan])

=== ''Wired Magazine'' ===
In Wired magazine, under a Transformers ad, It showed a picture of Homestar's new atari game and some more stuff.

=== ''Computer Source Magazine'' ===
In Seattle there's a magazine called "Computer Source." The January 2004 issue mentions a group of people who, for fun, determined how many browser windows they could open to homestarrunner.com before the computer crashed.

=== ''More Wired Magazine'' ===
[[They Might Be Giants]] were interviewed and talked about Homestar and the Experimental Film toon, among other things.
Read it [http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/12.07/play.html here]

=== ''Entertainment Weekly'' ===
In 2003, Entertainment Weekly proclaimed The Brothers Chaps were the "It Web Cartoonists" as part of their annual "It List," which names off who they consider to be the most significant entertainers of the year. They asked Matt whether or not they would ever consider putting Strong Bad and Homestar on TV, to which he replied: "It's more punk rock if you do it yourself." This article also mentioned the upcoming DVDs.

===Tucson Weekly===
[http://www.tucsonweekly.com Tucson Weekly] had [http://www.tucsonweekly.com/gbase/music/Content?oid=oid:59640 an interview] of [[They Might Be Giants]] in their August 19, 2004 issue that included information on their relationship with [[The Brothers Chaps]]. Of particular note was the corroboration that a special [[Experimental Film]] video was being made for MTV. However, a new develpment is that the current internet version "is getting played on MTV in England, so it is finding some legitimate video life."

== BANDS AND MUSIC ==
=== ''Strong Bad Live!'' ===
On June 7th, 2003 at Giants Stadium, Radiohead, the Beastie Boys, and other big name bands of that sort played, but the best part was the showing of Strong Bad emails over the JumboTron in between acts. They also showed [[Everybody to the Limit]] and it had a special new introduction wherein Strong Bad complained that he wasn't allowed on stage even though he had been the #1 hit for two summers in a row.

=== ''Relient K'' ===
The band Relient K has a h*r-like shirt logo.

[http://millionmanmerch.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=RK00034&Category_Code=rk_shirts site that sells the shirt]

[http://millionmanmerch.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/rk_homestar_blue.jpg rk_homestar_blue.jpg]

=== ''Five Iron Frenzy'' ===
The Christian ska band Five Iron Frenzy has a picture in their latest CD release's booklet of their lead singer, Reese Roper, wearing a The Cheat shirt.

During their performance at the [http://www.cornerstonefestival.com/ 2003 Cornerstone Music Festival], the lead singer asked the crowd if they were "ready to achieve burnination".

=== ''Very Low Sodium Band!'' ===
The Very Low Sodium Band ([http://www.verylowsodium.com www.verylowsodium.com]) has a song that praises Homestar Runner. Hear the song [http://www.verylowsodium.com/band/ Here]

=== ''Tripleside'' ===
Tripleside ([http://www.tripleside.net www.tripleside.net]) wrote a song called "Legitimate Business" as an homage to Homsar, including many classic Homsar quotes. You can download the song from their [http://www.tripleside.net/downloads.html downloads page] or read the lyrics [http://www.tripleside.net/lyrics/legitbiz.html here].

=== ''!ApologetiX'' ===
In the booklet for !ApologetiX's newest CD "Adam Up," their guitarist is wearing a Strong Bad shirt. Also, at a show in Cincinnati, Ohio, the guitarist, Karl, wore his Strong Bad shirt (the mask shirt). In the booklet, he is wearing the full body shirt. He's got both!

=== ''Sons of Pitches'' ===
The Ithaca, NY band [http://sonsofpitches.com Sons of Pitches] had a concert at the Cornell Business & Technology Park on July 24, 2004. Before their second set started, they were doing the thing at the end of the Theme Park where Homestar is on the Strongbadian Riverboat Superfun.. ride. It sounded just like Strongbad! I didn't realize until it was over that it was from H*R but the part I know they did was "Please keep your arms legs and valuables inside the vehicle at all times".
Also, they once noticed my Strongbad shirt during a concert at this local hospital's picnic.

== GAMES ==
=== ''Skee-ball!'' ===
[http://www.wustl.edu/ Washington University]'s carnival in St. Louis boasted a wooden skee-ball game made by the [http://encouncil.wustl.edu/main/ Engineering Student Council] with some help from ((bkmlb)) and his family.
[http://userfs.cec.wustl.edu/~bdr1/thurtene/photos/Dscn0772.jpg Dscn0772.jpg]
[http://userfs.cec.wustl.edu/~bdr1/thurtene/] more pictures

=== ''Custom Robo'' ===
A little way through the game there is a quiz on basic game knowledge. One of the answers to a multiple-choice question is "Parts Burninator".

===''Amazing Island''===
On page 9/10 of the manual, there are instructions on creating a new character. Whoever took the picture had named his character Homestar.

===''Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic''===
One of the default name choices at the beginning is "Homsar".
Hmm, Brave Jedi Knight that one be...
"Kerrek" will show up as well.

=== ''Cyborg Livestock from Outer Space'' ===
If you defeat the alien mothership from Shockwave's [http://www.shockwave.com/sw/content/cyborglivestock Cyborg Livestock from Outer Space], the end text says that the ship "asplode," just as your head does in the game [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=StrongBadZone StrongBadZone].

=== ''Hershey Park PA face painting''===
At Hershey Park you can get a face painting of Homestar, Strong Bad, Marzipan, Pom Pom, or The Cheat.

=== ''World of Warcraft'' ===
Homestarrunner.com appears in the "Additional Thanks" section of the credits

== OTHER SITES ==
=== ''Eric Conveys The Brothers Chaps?'' ===
Eric at [http://www.emotioneric.com Eric Conveys an Emotion] got together with The Brothers Chaps for a rough and tumble game of football, complete with Eric's warped and hilarious sense of humor. See a step-by-step progression of [http://www.emotioneric.com/ae/?adv=thefootballgame The Game]. On page 1 Trogdor is in the background, on page 2 The Ugly One is in the background, on page 3 1936 Homestar is in the background, on page 4 Homestar is in the background, on page 5 Strongbad is in the background, on page 6, The Cheat is actually in the foreground, on page 7, The Cheat and Strong Mad are in the background, and on page 8, Stinkoman is in the background.
*Also, in "getting a great idea... while falling to your doom" Eric has a Homsar shirt on. [http://www.emotioneric.com/greatideafalldoom.jpg greatideafalldoom.jpg]

=== ''Red vs Blue'' ===
At [http://www.redvsblue.com Red vs Blue] they made a public service announcement about tattoos (It appears every 4 weeks or so in the season 1 archive). When Church suggests you get a tattoo of a character from you favorite online comic, Strong Bad's face appears.

=== ''Live Action Dangeresque!'' ===
Some guys at Strongfans.com made [http://www.strongfans.com/stuff/dangeresque_sf.wmv this] awesome rip-off of Strong Bads big-time Blockbuster. Complete with orchestrated music!"

=== ''The 2004 Cartoonist's Choice Awards'' ===
Homestar Runner won in best use of flash category at [http://www.ccawards.com/2004.htm "The 2004 Cartoonist's Choice Awards"].

=== ''Homestar gets a Summer Job'' ===
At [http://www.highscoreonline.com/homstray.html this] web site, they made a homestar cartoon entitled "Jorbs a Plenty." Be sure to click on the bucket at the end after the credits.

=== ''newgrounds.com'' ===
If you search for homestar on [http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/search.php?kind=j&terms=homestar this site], there will be a bunch of fan made homestar flash games and stuff.

=== ''zone38'' ===
this [http://www.zone38.net/blog/archives/2003_02.html web site] made a [http://www.zone38.net/blog/pics/magic_trogdor.jpg trogdor card] and a [http://www.zone38.net/blog/pics/magic_20x6.jpg stinkoman k 20x6 card]

=== ''Google Blog'' ===
[http://www.google.com/googleblog/ Google Blog] mentioned the Homestarism 'Asplode' in [http://www.google.com/googleblog/2004/10/its-wonderful-digitallife.html this] entry.

== OTHER ANIMATIONS ==
=== ''High Score'' ===
By Matt Wilson, the person who did the cartoon "Not without my application" a.k.a Homestar Gets A summer job & Bonus Stage, High Score Episode 4 has a parents Day spectacular. with "special guest star" Whats-her-face. also later, we see a newspaper montage one of the sub-titles says "Strong Sad Still A Loser" see it [http://www.highscoreonline.com/episode4.html Here]

=== ''Metroid Flash'' ===
At [http://www.flashplayer.com Flashplayer.com], there is a movie entitled [http://www.flashplayer.com/animation/metroidconfusion_movie.php "Metroid Confusion"], and at the beginning there are three computers and one has the H*R page displayed on its monitor. The end also borrows "Because It's Midnight" and credits a band named "Limozeen." Also when you them talking about how Samus is defenseless without her suit zoom in on the second shelf a book is the Homestar Runner enters the Strongest Man in the World contest.

=== ''Kerri's Big Invention'' ===
Also at [http://www.flashplayer.com Flashplayer.com], there is movie entitled [http://www.flashplayer.com/animation/kerrisbiginvention.html "Kerri's Big Invention"] and about halfway through the movie Kerri is drawing on a blackboard. When the whole blackboard is visible, in the lower left corner is a poorly drawn Homestar and Strongbad. In the upper right you can see the carrot shaped thing from the scrapbook on the Coach Z page. Its labeled Carrot Top on the black board. (This flash cartoon was created by [http://www.legendaryfrog.com/ Legendary Frog]).

=== ''Bush Bash'' ===
On this very weird [http://tlchicken.com/bush/bushbash.swf flash] animation at tlchicken.com, you can see a picture of President Bush and a flaming Earth that says "Burninating the Peasants since 2000".

=== ''VG Cats'' ===
At the end of the [http://www.vgcats.com/comics/extras/100.php 100th strip](a flash special so I can't post it here), click on the middle '0' in '100', to see an easter egg with one of the characters answering an e-mail SB-style, and a cameo by the man himself!

=== ''8-bit theater 3'' ===
on this [http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/106049 flash] animation based on the 8-bit Theatre comics, at the ending outtakes, strong bad and the cheat appear. the cheat appears on the table when cloud does a sumoning in the outtakes, and strong bad appears in one of the Mega Man boxes and says "HOLY CRAP"

=== ''Bonus Stage'' ===
*In [http://www.bonusstages.com/bonusstage8.html episode 8], there is a passing reference to Strong Bad making video games. This episode came out not long after the email [[video games]], so that's probably what it refers to.
*In [http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/155306 episode 9], Joel dies and goes to hell. Phil and Elly then die so they can rescue him, and while there, they meet Strong Bad, Homestar, and Coach Z. After they rescue Joel, Phil starts typing on a Compy 386 about how Bubs won the race, and Strong Sad shows up. ''Note:'' This episode is not currently viewable on www.bonusstages.com. The Homestar appearances are being removed for legal reasons.
*In [http://www.bonusstages.com/bonusstage19.html episode 19], there is a rather long easter egg in which Joel and Phil try to prank call some people. One of their targets is Strong Bad... or is it?
*In [http://www.bonusstages.com/bonusstage30.html episode 30], there is a commercial for a candy called "Kandy Commandoz". A small disclaimer flashes across the screen proclaiming "Not a ripoff of Homestar Runner".

=== ''One Ring To Rule Them All 2'' ===
In the middle you see Wayne the Goblin pull out a screen and shows Sauron a movie and the background music sounds like "Kick the Can".
*no, i belive that music is "the Entertainer" a Rag time jazz song from the early 1890's by Scott Joplin (?)

Also, when they're singing about Bilbo the middle elf chick has a pin that says "Wear a Bikini."
[http://www.flashplayer.com/animation/ring2.html watch it here!]

=== ''Decline of Video Gaming 2'' ===
On [http://www.flashplayer.com Flashplayer.com], there are slight references to Homestar Runner. While watching it, put on creator's notes.

===''Lost in Tijuana''===
at [http://www.jaydonaldson.com Jaydonaldson.com] and on [http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/118798 Newgrounds.com] if you're not willing to pay the membership costs, you see SB's face on a wanted poster about halfway through the animation.

===''Waterman''===
at [http://watermanstudios.com Waterman Studios], the SB ice pop is advertised for sale on the side of the icecream truck that shows up in several of the episodes.

== SCHOOL ==
=== ''Trogdor: MIT Hacker'' ===
The Burninator was the subject of one of the famous MIT Hacks! [http://hacks.mit.edu/Hacks/by_year/2003/vidwall_postits/ The hack itself.] [http://hacks.mit.edu/Hacks/Gallery.html More about hacks.]

=== ''Trogdor goes to Duke'' ===
I was at Duke University earlier this year, I believe it was April. As my group was walking to lunch, I turned around and saw the side of an underpass painted advertising an "Inside Joke" Fair or something. The centerpiece was a large, beautiful Trogdor (with majesty).

== COMICS ==
=== ''Theater Hopper'' ===
Tom Brazelton of Theater Hopper had himself in his comics a few days ago, with a Homestar shirt.
[http://www.theaterhopper.com/comics/040623.jpg 040623.jpg]

=== ''Commander Kitty'' ===
In a Commander Kitty comic, one of the characters is wearing a Strong Bad mask.
[http://commanderkitty.com/comics/ck20020816.jpg ck20020816.jpg]

=== ''8-bit Theatre'' ===
A dark elf explains how evil a monster is, and Trogdor comes to mind.
[http://www.nuklearpower.com/comics/030520.png 030520.png]

=== ''Bruno the Bandit'' ===
American politics are parodied by comparing them with other regimes. Few places are as oppressive as Strongbadia.
[http://www.brunothebandit.com/d/20040825.html]

=== ''Zelda comic'' ===
Tons of sightings here.
*[http://www.zeldacomic.net/archives/zc/?pic=164.png Comic 164] is actually called "Yet Another Sublte Homestar Reference." The reference is "shut it up, you."
*[http://www.zeldacomic.net/archives/zc/?pic=170.png Comic 170] is entitled "I'm So Glad the Bub is Not Dead."
*In [http://www.zeldacomic.net/archives/zc/?pic=191.png comic 191], the baddies show their coolness by donning sunglasses and saying "Sup." This comic came out a few days after [[the bet]].
*On the [http://zeldacomic.net/archives/zc/?pic=200.png 200'th] comic, they used the "Its almost over!" screen from Teen Girl Squad.
*[http://www.zeldacomic.net/archives/zc/?pic=212.png Comic 212] is entitled "Yeah, Shut Up, Kid."
*On comic [http://zeldacomic.net/archives/zc/?pic=225.png 225], Link asks what would happen if Bub fights Lloyd. Bub answers saying "his head a splode?"

===''Witch's Brew'' ===
the origin of the Witch's Brew naminghood came from homestar's famous halloween line (witch's brew).also on the [http://homepage.mac.com/witchsbrew/brews1-10/brew01.html first] comic, homestar appears on the last panel

===''Final Stupidity''===
In the [http://www.jediburger.com/comics/finalstupidity/004.html fourth] comic, "Obligatory Pop Culture Reference," [[Dangeresque too]] makes a small cameo on the last panel. 
The fifth comic's title, "Burninated", is an obvious reference to Trogdor. 
The seventh comic's title, "Got Witch's Brew?" is a reference to Homestar's obsession with witch's brew.

===''Sluggy Freelance'' ===
The weekly filler Meanwhile in the Dimension of Pain shows the demons deathmatching. When Horribus uses the Unholy Hand grenade and the demons are all incinerated, the panel reads "And all was laid to burnination."
[http://sluggy.com/daily.php?date=040501 link]

[[Category: Special Pages]]

Talk:H*R.com updates 2005

James — Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:46:11 GMT

James: added feed

Maybe this should be moved to [[HSR.com updates]], since asterisks in URLs are ugly. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 17:38, 11 Oct 2004 (MST)
:H*R seems to be the standard abbreviation you see around the net when referring to Homestar Runner. I don't really care what the URL looks like, frankly. I say to leave it as is. [[User:Render|Render]]
::I kind of agree with Render. "HSR.com" doesn't mean anything to me; I think it's confusing. Note that you can still type "H*R.com updates" into your Address bar and you'll still get to the correct page, even though the browser will encode your URL. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]
:::I've never used the "HSR" abbreviation. Who uses that anyway? And since we're talking about typing stuff in address bars, here's a fun fact: typing "Homestar Runner updates" into Google's "I'm feeling lucky" search (or just typing it into Firefox's location bar) will land you on our [[Main Page]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:03, 12 Oct 2004 (MST)

::::We could change it to "Official Site Updates". Would that remedy the confusion between abbreviations? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 12:29, 12 Oct 2004 (MST)
:::::Just make a redirect or something, like the one for my profile (which will link you to [[Wikipedia: User:Shadow Hog|my Wikipedia profile]]). There's no reason that there shouldn't be a redirect. In fact, I think I'll go do one right now, save people some time.

:::::And for the record, '''I''' use the "HSR" abbreviation. Both are acceptable abbreviations from what I can tell; whichever one you use is entirely up to personal preference. I just happen to prefer "HSR" since I think the asterisk looks kinda funky used in an abbreviation like that. [[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 15:07, 12 Oct 2004 (MST)

== RSS ==

Could we get an RSS feed for this page like the one in recent changes? That would be '''very''' handy :)
-Southpaw018

:What is an RSS feed? [[User:Hobophobic|<nowiki>~</nowiki>Hobo]]

::There's some good information on RSS in [http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=563 this forum topic] and on the [[HRWiki:Feeds]] page.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:09, 15 Oct 2004 (MST)
:::Sad to say, a feed for this page does not look like it's gonna happen anytime soon. In the meantime, you can use this feed. http://interglacial.com/rss/homestar.rss --[[User:James|James]] 16:46, 19 Oct 2004 (MST)

The Halloween House

James — Fri, 08 Oct 2004 21:18:48 GMT

James: added (and other things) after candy

It is featured in [[The House that Gave Sucky Treats]] and briefly shown in [[Three Times Halloween Funjob]]. It's supposed to be your house. Whenever someone goes to the Halloween House, you get to shine and give candy (or other things) to the citizens of Free Country, USA.

{{stub}}

Main Page

James — Thu, 07 Oct 2004 16:21:04 GMT

James: /* Main Menu */

Welcome to the Homestar Runner Wiki. Things are a little messy around here. We need your help to finish things.

== How to copy an old page to the new wiki ==
Instead of recreating the old pages from scratch, you can access the old version of each page at [http://old.hrwiki.org old.hrwiki.org]. Click on the "Edit" button on the old Wiki to grab the Wiki code.

If you need ideas for where you can start helping, check the [[HRWiki:Projects]] page. If you're trying to get used to things, please play in the [[HRWiki:Sandbox]]. We are currently working on [[Special:Statistics|{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}]] articles.

== Main Menu ==
http://www.hrwiki.org/images/officialsite-banner.png

'''What's New?''' [[H*R.com updates]] - The most recent updates to www.homestarrunner.com.

Today marks the first full year that the Homestar Runner Wiki has been operational. Happy Birthday, Wiki!

*[[Toons]] - Full length cartoons, shorts, Powered by The Cheat, Puppet Stuff, holiday toons, and more.
**[[Strong Bad Email]]
**[[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]
**[[Teen Girl Squad]]
*[[Games]] - All the games.
*[[Characters]] - All the characters.
*[[Places]] - Settings of all the toons.
*[[Downloads]] - All the downloads.
*[[Store]] - Store stuff.
*[[Email]] - Email menu.
*[[Legal]] - Legal secrets.
*[[Main Pages]] - All the main pages.
*[[Museum]] - Museum stuff, including the [[Sketchbook]] and the [[Original Book|kid's book]] that started it all!
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]] - Creations by fans posted on the official site.
*[[Quote of the Week]] - All the quotes of the week (or day or month).
*[[Secret Pages]] - Pages that are currently not accessible from any page on the official site.

http://www.hrwiki.org/images/wikipages-banner.png
*[[Special:Listusers|Wiki Users]] - A listing of users who are registered on this wiki.
*[[Links]] - Links to pages about Homestar Runner.
*[[Quotes]] - Favorite quotes that characters have said.
*[[Glossary]] - A glossary of terms used on the Homestar Runner site.
*[[Inside Jokes]] - A list of inside jokes on the Homestar Runner site.
*[[Rejects]] - We're not sure what they are.
*[[Sightings]] - Significant Homestar Runner sightings. ie; Pop-culture references.
*[[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]] - Interested in contributing to the Wiki or transcribing toons? Read this first.
*[[HRWiki:Ledger|Ledger]] - A history of donations and payments for the wiki.
*[[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]] - Projects that the users of the wiki are currently working on.
*[[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]] - A place to play around and learn how to edit pages.
*[[WikiTroll]] - Definition of WikiTroll and list of known offenders.

== External Links ==
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com The Official Homestar Runner Website]
*[http://forum.hrwiki.org The Homestar Runner Wiki Forum]
*[http://chat.hrwiki.org The Homestar Runner Wiki Chat]
*[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Index The MediaWiki User's Guide], to help you adjust

Main Page

James — Thu, 07 Oct 2004 16:20:45 GMT

James: added note about wiki's birthday.

Welcome to the Homestar Runner Wiki. Things are a little messy around here. We need your help to finish things.

== How to copy an old page to the new wiki ==
Instead of recreating the old pages from scratch, you can access the old version of each page at [http://old.hrwiki.org old.hrwiki.org]. Click on the "Edit" button on the old Wiki to grab the Wiki code.

If you need ideas for where you can start helping, check the [[HRWiki:Projects]] page. If you're trying to get used to things, please play in the [[HRWiki:Sandbox]]. We are currently working on [[Special:Statistics|{{NUMBEROFARTICLES}}]] articles.

== Main Menu ==
http://www.hrwiki.org/images/officialsite-banner.png

'''What's New?''' [[H*R.com updates]] - The most recent updates to www.homestarrunner.com.
Today marks the first full year that the Homestar Runner Wiki has been operational. Happy Birthday, Wiki!

*[[Toons]] - Full length cartoons, shorts, Powered by The Cheat, Puppet Stuff, holiday toons, and more.
**[[Strong Bad Email]]
**[[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]
**[[Teen Girl Squad]]
*[[Games]] - All the games.
*[[Characters]] - All the characters.
*[[Places]] - Settings of all the toons.
*[[Downloads]] - All the downloads.
*[[Store]] - Store stuff.
*[[Email]] - Email menu.
*[[Legal]] - Legal secrets.
*[[Main Pages]] - All the main pages.
*[[Museum]] - Museum stuff, including the [[Sketchbook]] and the [[Original Book|kid's book]] that started it all!
*[[Weekly Fanstuff]] - Creations by fans posted on the official site.
*[[Quote of the Week]] - All the quotes of the week (or day or month).
*[[Secret Pages]] - Pages that are currently not accessible from any page on the official site.

http://www.hrwiki.org/images/wikipages-banner.png
*[[Special:Listusers|Wiki Users]] - A listing of users who are registered on this wiki.
*[[Links]] - Links to pages about Homestar Runner.
*[[Quotes]] - Favorite quotes that characters have said.
*[[Glossary]] - A glossary of terms used on the Homestar Runner site.
*[[Inside Jokes]] - A list of inside jokes on the Homestar Runner site.
*[[Rejects]] - We're not sure what they are.
*[[Sightings]] - Significant Homestar Runner sightings. ie; Pop-culture references.
*[[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]] - Interested in contributing to the Wiki or transcribing toons? Read this first.
*[[HRWiki:Ledger|Ledger]] - A history of donations and payments for the wiki.
*[[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]] - Projects that the users of the wiki are currently working on.
*[[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]] - A place to play around and learn how to edit pages.
*[[WikiTroll]] - Definition of WikiTroll and list of known offenders.

== External Links ==
*[http://www.homestarrunner.com The Official Homestar Runner Website]
*[http://forum.hrwiki.org The Homestar Runner Wiki Forum]
*[http://chat.hrwiki.org The Homestar Runner Wiki Chat]
*[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Index The MediaWiki User's Guide], to help you adjust