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Talk:Rainbows

JamesDean — Mon, 29 Mar 2010 18:51:31 GMT

JamesDean:

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== For reals? ==

Really, do we need this page? It is generic, not specific to H*R, get a minimal amount of appearence for an ORIGINAL idea and is generally "rainbows appear in X". Only pages that involve things either made up in universe or are notably out of context get the 3 treatment. I'm no expert, but I believe generic pages need about 5. Anyone agree?--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 22:02, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

'''Delete'''. Rainbows are a generic thing, and they need at least five major appearances. -[[User:Essence of Ghost Water|Essence of Ghost Water]]
'''Delete'''. I'll second that.

Talk:Main Page

JamesDean — Mon, 29 Mar 2010 06:21:41 GMT

JamesDean: /* What happened? */

{{Main Page Talk}}

== Lobbying for a page. ==

We have a page for the [[Compy Inc.]] corporation. Why not Tandy? They made the [[Tandy 400]], the [[Tangerine Dreams]], the [[Monosodium Dreams]] and allgedgedly the "computer" from [[the facts]]. There may be more, I don't know off the top of my head. Anyway, they have made 3, 4 computers. Compy made 3 also, or 5 if you count the Grampy and the Roomivac. I say we make one. I would, but my thrill for H*R is low ever since the recent baby-break, and I'm not in the mood for dissapointment. So, before we make it, shall we decide if this page is needed BEFORE it is made? This would save trouble and probably boost morale.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 23:09, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
: The catch is that we don't know what the Tandy's company is called. (Strictly speaking, we don't know that Compy, Inc.'s name is Compy, Inc., AFAIK, but we know it's Compy, at least.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:36, 31 January 2010 (UTC)
:: In case it's been forgotten, Tandy was the actual computer company that made the TRS-80 computer, sold by Radio Shack back in the 1980s/90s. I know because I had one -- horribly primitive by today's standards, but a good starter computer for early users. See the Wikipedia article on "Tandy Corporation" for more on this. [[User:Wordmama|Wordmama]] 02:49, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

== New Index page! ==

I feel this deserves a mention. TBC have updated the original "Watch Intro/Come on in" page with Homestar smiling and an extra "Shop our Store" Option.

- [[Special:Contributions/209.184.113.183|209.184.113.183]] 14:41, 1 February 2010 (UTC) (Everybody! the Log-in forgetman)
:It's already been noted for a while.--{{User:Record307/sig}} 14:49, 1 February 2010 (UTC)

== Fanstuff login ==
The homestar fanstuff wiki is here, but i can't find my user! Can a mod PM me a message so i can get to login? - [[User:POM Z|POM Z]] 00:07, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:Your fanstuff login is the same as the one here. They are no longer separate. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:35, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

== Fanstuff Wiki's return ==

I think that we should have some header of other message on the KB informing users of the return of the HRFWiki, since many people have probably stopped checking for it's return by now. (I mentioned this idea earlier as an anonymous editor.) {{User:Shine Sprite/sig}} 02:59, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

== Dangeresque ==

Why do the transcripts of the Dangeresque toons refer to the characters as their real names instead of their Dangeresque names? [[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] 07:56, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:This would be an excellent question to ask on a more specific talk page, probably [[Talk:Dangeresque (film series)]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:06, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

== Talkheader like Wikipedia? ==

We should have a talkheader template [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Talkheader like wikipedia] so that it's the first thing people see on the page, which will give them insight to what to do, and to sign posts, and other useful information/links. How about that? {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 14:48, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
:I don't think that's really necessary. Our users tend to be more wiki-savvy than the average WP user. (Note that we do have the {{t|talk}} template for an unrelated issue.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:14, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== Wiki continuance ==

Once H*R gets cancelled, will our Wiki have to go down with it? [[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] 10:18, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
:Who said it was gonna get cancelled? If it ever does, I'm sure TBC will leave the site up. No the wiki is not "going down with it". This is a knowledge base, so if TBC stops making toons, we still have work to do.--{{User:Record307/sig}} 15:40, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== E-mail ==

Has anyone tried contacting the Chapman Brothers about this long absence? I have at least three times, but I haven't gotten a response. [[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] 09:54, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

:Call me crazy, but [[FeedBurner Page#Stuff - New Baby vs. Updates!|this may have something to do with it]]. --{{User:Color Printer/sig}} 15:41, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::They had babies before and it didn't take them as long as this time, so it's only natural for people to wonder. Regarding the delays of last year's updates, my guess is they're probably out of ideas or something like that.--[[User:Cass from Germany|Cass from Germany]] 19:47, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
::: *Sigh*. We've been through this before on this very page. This is simply speculations and comments. We have no evidence either way, and we don't know whether they will cancel or not. Speculations, no need to discuss it here. They stated they're taking a Baby Break, leave it at that.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 22:44, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

== Unavailable ==

Why was the Wiki shut down for all of yesterday? [[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] 04:59, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:My guess is that the server may have been busy or something. {{User:That'sBupkis/sig}} 05:26, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Telltale 4 Macs ==

There is a pop up that says you should vote for SBCG4AP on macs! so far we're winning! {{User:Nihaho13/sig}} 14:57, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Time for Archive? ==

I'm not the most active member here, but I know when a page is getting cluttered. I think it's time for another archive before TBC starts making toons again and we get more traffic. [[User:The Swedish Ace|The Swedish Ace]] 15:36, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:I concur. The page can grow extremely quickly, especially after a new toon. I say it is time to clear the page. The page is already lag-creating for slower computers. I think is time to archive it.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 16:28, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
::Archived. {{User:That'sBupkis/sig}} 16:50, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== How to pronounce? ==

How do you pronounce the wiki's name? Is it H '''R''' Wiki, '''Her'''-wiki, '''Hra'''-wiki? I've always wondered. Does it really matter either way?--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 16:30, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:I pronounce it "Homestar Runner Wiki". Interestingly, the Chaps call Homestar Runner (the body of work, not the character) just Homestar, and so they call us the Homestar Wiki. To answer the question you actually asked, I'd say the first two letters separately if I had to pronounce the domain name. And of course it matters. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:11, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
::I call it Aitch-Ar-Wiki with people who know about it (or my obsession with it...), and Homestar Wiki with people who know what Homestar is, but not about this site. To complete strangers I just say I'm in a fan-site for a web cartoon :P. {{User:Elcool/sig}} 20:32, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
:::To those *really* in the know, I like to call it "ayeyeteeceeaitch ayar wiki." [[Special:Contributions/24.91.153.95|24.91.153.95]] 21:24, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
::::I usually just refer to it as "The Homestar Runner Wiki", because I'm the type of guy who says stuff proper. [[User:SBE-mail Checker Dan|SBE-mail Checker Dan]] 21:14, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

== Username change ==

I wish there was a way to change my user name, is there a way?--{{User:Wasd98/sig}} 05:11, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
:You can put in a request for a name change [[HRWiki:Changing username|here]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:13, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

== Sbemail page update? ==

I was going through some old sbemails and found that a sticky note was put on the Compe saying "buy sbemails on dvd!" When clicked, it links to the store's sbemail section. Has anyone else reported this? [[User:SuperLuigi|SuperLuigi]] 18:06, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure it's on the Strong Bad Email page already. {{User:That'sBupkis/sig}} 19:56, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
::More specifically, the [[Store]] page.--{{User:Record307/sig}} 00:10, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

== Obama's Homestar Plan ==

http://wsbradio.com/localnews/2010/03/obama-announcing-homestar-plan.html

That doesn't mean Homestar Runner. It means something diffrent. FTW :S --[[User:POM Z|POM Z]] 21:13, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
: Yeah, it's a funny coincidence, especially since he's headed to [[Georgia]], but has nothing to do with the Runner. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:15, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

== PlayStation Article? ==

Just wondering if there is enough refs to SONY or PlayStation to make a SONY/PlayStation article. If so, I can go search for an image that you can use for it. (*cough* I'm just trying to get around the limits on how many images I can have, lol.) {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 17:08, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
:Then do what we usually do - Dig up references, make an article, format, categorize, upload, etc.. See if it holds up. {{User:Elcool/sig}} 06:38, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
::Then I'm out then. I'm no good at making articles stay. Tried it with OvBB on Wikipedia.org, it got deleted because the software was abandoned. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 08:32, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

== Edit shortage ==

Lately, mostly because of the lack of updates, this Wiki has become a wasteland. For the past couple of days, there have been less than 50 edits a day. What can we do to get more edits? [[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] 21:37, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
:Nothing. Nor is there any *reason* do. Homestar Runner has been in a lull for the last few months, and without any significant new site content, there's very little we *can* do that we aren't doing already. -{{User:YK/sig}} 22:01, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
::As for wiki edits, there's no reason whatsoever why there needs to be a high edit count. We're not AIMING for more edits. Edits are not and end in and of themselves, but a by-product of us documenting the homestar universe. If there's nothing to document, there's no reason to edit. The alternative is creating an abundance of unnecessary pages such as [[Flashlights]] for the sole sake of making edits. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:23, 4 March 2010 (UTC)
:::Moreover, if there's one thing we *could* be doing in such lulls, it's reaching consensus on the dozen or so pages pending deletion, many of which have been untouched in months, and deciding as a community just what makes a good page. (For instance, do we *really* need dozens of pages that do nothing but list every single time a common item pops up in a toon, often without even mentioning *where* in the toon it *appears*, what it's used *for*, and *why* it's even worth mentioning, period? But that's another issue entirely.) -{{User:YK/sig}} 01:21, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
::::YK is right. When there are a lot of updates I can understand how some discussions take longer because everyone is busy with new pages, updating articles, transcribing and such. What we SHOULD be doing is discussing [[:Category:Articles for Discussion|TBD articles]]. I half blame the management for that (and I'm part of that management) for no encouraging more wiki activity. We can repeat "baby break" 'till we're blue in the face, but ''there are'' things to do on the wiki. I really '''''really''''' wish I had more time on my hands to do more substantial edits these days, but college is really my top-most priority these days (And people know that when I get a break I go over all the maintenance stuff and clean what I can).
::::What I '''propose''' is putting a message on the main page, or the recent change, asking people to give their opinions of ongoing discussions. That will help us reach consensus on old pages and will create interest and activity in the wiki. {{User:Elcool/sig}} 08:31, 5 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::By the way, if you need help finding unresolved issues, go [[HRW:OD|here]]. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 16:09, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

== Admin ==

It's been three years since we last had a new admin. Could we please have some more admins? [[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] 07:22, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:What for? We run fine with the ones we have. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 07:34, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
::I have to agree, "If it works, don't fix it!" {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 13:56, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

== Dub ==

Have any Homestar Runner cartoons been dubbed into other languages? [[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] 09:35, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
:Not officially, though you may find something on youtube or something. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 09:38, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

== Autocomplete and spell check ==

Is there a way to implement Wikipedia's search features? Like autocompleting possible search results while you type, and suggesting correct spelling if you misspelled your search term? If so, do we plan to make an update with those features? {{User:Elcool/sig}} 22:49, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
:I think our wiki's too small to make that thing necessary. Also, I personally just hate that autocomplete feature, but that's not really here nor there. Make sure there's a way to surpress it if you do, though. Ugh. I like my dropdown just fine. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 03:59, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
::Well, I use it very frequently on any site that have it (Like Google and YouTube). And why write down long article names when you can with only one word? {{User:Elcool/sig}} 18:08, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
:::We'll be beginning an upgrade cycle relatively soon. I'll give it a look when we do. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:30, 17 March 2010 (UTC)
::::Firefox can spell check text boxes too, and not just textareas. Though, for non-english words and portmanteaus, this would be a problem. If you want to expand firefox to all fields, change '''layout.spellcheckDefault''' to 2 in about:config. I'm neutral on this, though it would be nice to have the "Did you mean?" thing. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 14:43, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

==Block list==
I've noticed that the [[Special:Blocklist|block list]] is the same at the Fanstuff Wiki. Is this intentional? [[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] [[User talk:RickTommy|talk]] [[Image:slang.PNG|50px]] 23:02, 20 March 2010 (UTC)
:That's because the databases for the users and blocks are shared. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:15, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

== Speculation? ==
I commented on a discussion and someone said that my thing was "just speculation". Is there a definition on this wiki for "speculation"? I'm confused with the whole thing... [[User:doctorwho295|doctorwho295]] 22 March 2010
:Speculation has to do with looking into things with no factual basis; talking about what things ''could be'' instead of what things ''are''. This wiki doesn't document speculation because it cannot be proven true. However, we do have a [http://forum.hrwiki.org/ forum] for open discussion where speculation is welcome. You have to create a separate account over there. as for [http://www.hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Sick_Day&diff=next&oldid=696377 the discussion in question], there is no way to prove what kind of disease any of them have, and any guesses as to what disease it could be can't be proven true. hope this helps {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 18:52, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

== What happened? ==

To The Brothers Chaps? They haven't updated the website in a long time.

Cheers
[[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 08:50, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
:It's known to happen from time to time, some times for a whole year almost. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 13:46, 24 March 2010 (UTC)
::[citation needed] -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]]

TMBG Concert - 5 Mar 2010

JamesDean — Sun, 14 Mar 2010 15:53:44 GMT

JamesDean: /* Fun Facts */ terrible grammar

[[File:TMBG and HR.jpg|thumb|"These might be guys!"]]
On March 5, 2010, [[They Might Be Giants]] again performed at the Variety Playhouse in Atlanta, Georgia. As with their previous engagements there in [[TMBG Concert - 25 Sep 2004|September of 2004]] and [[TMBG Concert - 3 May 2006|May of 2006]], they were joined on stage this time by [[Puppet Character Variations|Puppet]] {{film|Homestar Runner}}, who sang "[[Puppet Jam: Tropical Lazor Beams|Tropical Lazor Beams]]" and a version of "[[Wikipedia:With a Little Help from My Friends|With a Little Help from My Friends]]," which Homestar claims to have written.

According to at least one of the uploaded videos information, the band asked the audience to film Homestar and post it online in hopes of making a compilation video from the footage.

==Fun Facts==
*Homestar [[fourth wall breaks|breaks the fourth wall]] by mentioning that he will "be put back in his storage space".
*Puppet Homestar refers to himself as having [[Lack of Visible Arms|no arms]].
*"With a Little Help from My Friends" was written by [[Wikipedia:Lennon/McCartney|John Lennon and Paul McCartney]], and originally performed by [[The Beatles]]. The theme to ''[[Wikipedia:The Wonder Years|The Wonder Years]]'' is the [[Wikipedia:With a Little Help from My Friends#Joe Cocker version|Joe Cocker version]], which Homestar's performance heavily borrows from.

==External Links==
*[[tmbw:Shows/2010-03-05|Show information at This Might Be A Wiki]]
*[[youtube:1TSTCze-3K8|TMBG - Variety Playhouse, Atlanta 03.05.10 They Might Be Giants with Homestar Runner]]
*[[youtube:H1BwLOf2mro|They Might Be Giants & Homestar Runner. Variety Playhouse 3/5/10]]
*[[youtube:5TgaZzseAGs|Homestar Runner with They Might Be Giants 3-5-10]]
*[[youtube:u1f84QkNbH4|TMBG & Homestar Runner @ Variety Playhouse 3-5-10 Atlanta, Ga THEY MIGHT BE GIANTS]]
*[[youtube:26mJu6aSnl0|They Might Be Giants - Variety Playhouse 3/5/2010]]
*[[youtube:O5tx1HPOkQI|They Might Be Giants + Homestar Runner]]
*[[youtube:jDhSfTJ1j58|They Might Be Giants, featuring.. Homestar? Live in Atlanta]]
*[http://vimeo.com/groups/37015/videos/9966283 Vimeo: They Might Be Giants and Homestar Runner, Variety Playhouse, 3/5/2010]
*[http://vimeo.com/groups/37015/videos/9965322 Vimeo: TMBG and HomestarRunner at the Variety Playhouse 3/5/10]
*[http://www.flickr.com/photos/katetomlinson/4410500398/ Flickr video: tmbg and homestar]
*[[Forum:16131|forum thread re: {{PAGENAME}}]]

[[Category:Interviews and Public Appearances]]

Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 16.2

JamesDean — Tue, 03 Mar 2009 17:22:58 GMT

JamesDean: /* Inside References */

{{mamnav|16|Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 15.2|Version 15.2|Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 1.0|Version 1.0}}
[[Image:StrongSadAnsweringMachine.png|thumb|"Marzipan be gone! Strong Sad be here!"]]

Strong Sad house-sits, which perturbs Marzipan's usual callers.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{film|Marzipan}}, {{film|Strong Sad}}, {{film|Strong Bad}}, {{film|Homestar Runner}}, {{film|Coach Z}}, {{film|The King of Town}}, {{film|Bubs}} (Easter egg)

'''Places:''' [[Marzipan's House]]

'''Release Date:''' Monday, March 2, 2009

'''Running Time:''' 3:30

'''Page Title:''' Temporary Steward's Answering Machine

==Transcript==
===Marzipan's Greeting===
'''MARZIPAN:''' Hi this is Marzipan. I'm off volunteering in the Coches Mountains, teaching the heathens how to bend pipe cleaners. I'll be back in—

''{Strong Sad's arm appears and he presses the "record" button.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Sorry, Marzy.

''{Cut to full view of Strong Sad in front of the table.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Time to exercise one of my favorite perks of house-sitting!

''{Strong Sad presses the button again. Cut to shot of the answering machine.}''

===Strong Sad's Greeting 1===
'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{rolls R}'' Grrrreetings weary telephone traveler. I sense you have come in search of Marzipan, but you have stumbled upon so much more. 'Tis I, Strong Sad, house-sitter extraordinaire. Please organize your thoughts for Marzipan in order of least depressing to most depressing. As for crank calls, allow me to give you a theme: furtive glances.

''{Strong Sad presses the button again. Cut to full view of Strong Sad in front of the table.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{puts hand on head}'' Ugh, too verbose. Come on, Sads, ''{smacks belly}'' quick and to the point! In and out! Hook 'em and cook 'em!

===Strong Sad's Greeting 2===
'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{rapping}'' Marzipan be gone! Strong Sad be here, so drop your purpose in mine ear! I'll pass it on before too long—

''{Strong Sad presses the button again. Cut to full view of Strong Sad in front of the table.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Let's pretend that never happened.

''{Strong Sad presses the button again. Cut to shot of the answering machine.}''

===Strong Sad's Greeting 3===
'''STRONG SAD:''' Hello, this is Strong Sad, temporary steward of Marzipan's domicile. Please leave your jumbled message at the tone, so I can articulately reword it in journal form for Marzipan to read upon her safe return.

''{Strong Sad presses the button again. Cut to full view of Strong Sad in front of the table.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Good enough for guv'ent work I say.

''{Cut to a black screen with red lettering reading "SOON..."}''

===Message 6===

'''STRONG BAD:''' Wait, what? Hold on, I wasn't prepared for this. Just gimme a sec. ''{Writing noises and paper turning in background}'' Okay, I'm ready. Yes, this is... Strooong Baaad calling for... Strooong Saaad... uh, I'm gonna knee you in the face... for breakfast? Hold on, let me reconfigure and call back.

===Message 5===

'''STRONG BAD:''' Hey, Elephants-gerald. I left some of my stuff over at Marzipan's the last time she always had me over there for dinner all the time. So when you come home, could you be sure to grab my Marzipan's TV, my Marzipan's guitar and amp, and oh yeah, my Marzipan's cash and her jewelery. ''{A silhouette of Strong Bad carrying a large object walks across the screen}'' If you do, the chance of dead things in your bed drops into the 42 percent range!

''(Zoom out to reveal Strong Bad carrying a large guitar amp with jewels hanging on the corner. Strong Sad is standing next to the answering machine.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yeah, you can ignore that one.

''{He walks off the screen. Cut back to answering machine.}''

===Message 4===

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Dang, Marzipan, you sounding fine. You sound finer than the fine you get when you return a movie late to the movie store!

''{Zoom out to reveal Homestar standing next to, and facing away from, Strong Sad and the answering machine. Strong Sad has a disgusted look on his face. Homestar is actually speaking as opposed to the sound being a recorded message.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' You're even sounding finer than a three dollar fine for new releases! Maybe I should swing by for a lit—

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{Hands on hips}'' That is ''quite'' enough!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{Turns around, surprised}'' Oh! Marzipan! ''{Dejected}'' You look, um, great... Is that a new... skin you're wearing?

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{angrily}'' It's Strong Sad!

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' It is! It is strong sad and strong unfortunate what happened to your face! ''{Gets right up in Strong Sad's face}'' Ooh! Preow!

''{He runs off-screen, then runs back on, and gets back in Strong Sad's face}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Call me! Preow!

''{He runs off-screen again}''

===Message 3===

'''COACH Z:''' What a crock! This is not what I plunked 9 bucks in quarters into a broken pay phone to hear! Strong Sad, remind me to kick your shins unmercifully next time I see ya! And also, ya think the five hundred feet from Marzipan's house thing still counts if she's not in it? Cause I cop some sweet goose flesh when I hit that four hundred 'n ninety-seven foot range. Whoa, creeped myself out there. Gonna hang up!

===Message 2===

'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' ''{Munching}'' What? Sorry, I didn't hear your outgoing message. I was choking down a chocolate dipped tapeworm. Anyways, agent Panzimar, about the plot against S. Sad, things are moving along just as planned. Hit a snag with step 2, though: the camel died and was decidedly undelicious. Will move forward with barrel of hot sauce approach. Provided that makes it past dinner time, look for my signal in the northwest sky. Ting of Kown, out!

===Message 1===

'''MARZIPAN:''' Stong Sad! What did you do to my outgoing message? Those things are like my adopted foreign babies! Anyway, I forgot to tell you that a guy named Slick Somebody called from a place called—

''{Cut to wide shot of the room. Strong Sad is gone. There are foot imprints are in the carpet where he stood.}''

'''MARZIPAN:''' —Marzipan's Stupid Face plumbing, and said he replaced my toilet's Roman candle valve? Whatever that is. So maybe don't flush the toilet until-

''{From offscreen, Strong Sad flushes the toilet and several explosions go off. Several flashes are seen and toilet water splashes onto the floor.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{weakly}'' Ohhh...

''{Cut back to the answering machine.}''

==Easter Eggs==
* After listening to all the messages, click on the tape deck to hear Bubs.
: '''BUBS:''' Marzipan, it's Bubs! You're three weeks late on that movie rental, lady! And that V. I. Warshawski still counts as a new release! That's three dollars a day! Plus, what's wrong witcha voice? You sound all fat, depressing, and Allan Poe. And you're gonna be ''real'' po' if you don't pay that late fee! Heh heh heh. Shop at Bubs'!

==Fun Facts==
===Trivia===
*The answering machine is, for the first time, labeled "PhoneTime XL800", when it has been the [[PhoneTime XL8]] since [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 9.2]]. The only noticeable difference, besides the label, is the "Record" button.


===Inside References===
*Coach Z not being allowed within five hundred feet of Marzipan's house was previously mentioned in [[Baddest of the Bands]].
*[[Wikipedia: V.I. Warshawski|''V.I. Warshawski'']] is a series of detective novels about a female detective. A single movie based on the series was made in 1991 and released in DVD format in 2002, contrary to Bubs's claim about the movie being a "new release". This movie was previously mentioned in [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 10.2]].
*Marzipan mentions the [[Coches mountains]].
*This is another mention of [[Babies]].
*Marzipan calls Strong Sad "[[Stong]] Sad".
*"Panzimar" and "The Ting of Kown" are [[Spoonerism]]s.

===Real-World References===
*Strong Bad referring to Strong Sad as "Elephants-gerald" is a reference to prominent jazz singer [[Wikipedia: Ella Fitzgerald|Ella Fitzgerald]].
*Bubs' message in the Easter egg refers to writer [[Wikipedia: Edgar Allan Poe|Edgar Allan Poe]]. Poe has previously been referenced in relation to Strong Sad in [[Strong Sad's Lament]], [[Strong Badia the Free]] and [[secret identity]].

==External Links==

*[[HR:answer16.html|watch "Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 16.2"]]
*[[HR:answer16.swf|view the Flash file for "Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 16.2"]]
*[[Forum:15159|forum thread re: "Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 16.2"]]

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Talk:Workin' on the Game

JamesDean — Tue, 06 May 2008 15:36:55 GMT

JamesDean: /* SpaceM'n */

== BASIC program ==

I couldn't quite tell what the command on line 5 is. It looks a whole lot like "MORE", but that's not a BASIC command as far as I know. Since it's possible TBC weren't being strictly accurate here, I went ahead and put it, but I'm interested to know if others see the same thing. Also, the last line looks like it contains a "9". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:21, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
:That's what I see too, as best as I can tell. I'll have another look at it later, though I'm not sure if my eyes will be any more powerful then... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:26, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
::[[Image:Screen Workin' on the Game.PNG]]
:::It's the best I can see too. The only alternative that comes up is "HOME" instead of "MORE", but that wouldn't really be any better? -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 19:01, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Actually, yes, that would be ''much'' better. HOME, unlike MORE, ''is'' a BASIC command, which clears the screen and is (was) often used as the first line of a program. Granted, the word is very difficult to make out on the angled screen, but I think it's much more likely to be HOME than MORE, given that the former actually makes sense as the first line of a program, and the latter doesn't. -[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 21:09, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::That sounds convincing to me — I'll change it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:14, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
::No doubt in my mind that that says HOME - and that makes way more sense -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]]
::::Shows how good my BASIC is that I didn't know it was a command! -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 23:57, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Shouldn't be too hard to make yourself believe it though. Wasn't CLRHOME a command in a very familiar program we use? CMD also clears the screen when in CMD (COMMAND in DOS.) {{User:Iyeru/sig}}
:HOME is speficially an AppleSoft BASIC command that clears the screen. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 05:27, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

== Pink shirt guy really sounds like Coach Z. ==

Yep, he does.

-Alex H.
: Remember, it's one [[Matt Chapman|voice actor]] doing almost all of the voices. Some are going to inevitably sound similar. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:34, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

== SpaceM'n ==
In the remarks section, someone noted that spaceman is pronounced, spacem'n. so why is this not reflected in the transcript? {{User:Joshr915/sig}} 22:23, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
:It seems that we don't usually put -m'n in the transcript, based on other examples linked off the [["Man" pronounced as "m'n"]] page. But we could change it if it's thought to be better that way, I guess? -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 00:00, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
::I think it should be spacem'n -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]]

Talk:Workin' on the Game

JamesDean — Mon, 05 May 2008 20:48:13 GMT

JamesDean: /* BASIC program */

Talk:specially marked

JamesDean — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:09:08 GMT

JamesDean: /* Defibrillators */

== Maze ==
Out of curiosity...someone should get a screen grab and see if the maze on the box is actually solvable. Could add that to the remarks section. (which currently doesn't exist) {{User:Joshr915/sig}} 23:08, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Brain ==
I would just like to say that I think that the piece of the brain picture that strong bad mentions is a picture of the final boss of contra III: alien wars.
:[http://sdb.drshnaps.com/sheets/Misc/Misc/Other/Contra3LastBoss.gif Sure looks like it], minus the two horns though. [[User:Maktaka|Maktaka]] 12:59, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::Good catch. And we know TBC play Contra because of [[Couch Mumbling]]. Someone who know about about it add it to the RWR. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 13:01, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:::Hm. Very interesting. I'd say the head-on view makes the case pretty strong for whatever this boss's name is, but what about the Mother Brain from Metroid? We also know that they have played it, from the Tandy in [[invisibility]] and "NES Endings" in [[japanese cartoon]]. She only ever appears in profile, though. Perhaps we could add a might for her? Now, yes, I know that me introducing this will elicit screams of TTATOT, but it really isn't.--{{User:Onamuji/sig}} 21:13, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::::I think the angle really make the difference here. Not only there is an eye in the brain, it's also in the exact center, and is seen from the same point as the Contra boss. I think even the creases on the bran itself are similar. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 14:05, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

== UPSerif ==

How notable is this remark? Almost all cereal boxes contain UPC codes; that's not what Strong Bad is complaining about. It's when you have to SEND IN UPC codes, which would probably be noted somewhere on the cereal's box in any font they chose. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:33, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
: What remark are you talking about exactly?
:: Okay, it's listed as a "Goof." Whatever. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:32, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I say if we keep it at all it should be listed under Remarks and not Goofs. Though I don't think this is even needed. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 01:27, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

I assume the remark in question has something to do with SB's "waste of serif" line? In which case... Sans Serif is an actual font used in word processors; I think it's pretty obvious that that's what he's referencing here. Anyone agree? (Maybe STUFF it?) -Zero.exe
:Typefaces are classified as either [[Wikipedia:Serif|Serif]] or [[Wikipedia:Sans serif|Sans serif]]; serifs themselves are the little modifications that only serif typefaces have. By claiming they're a "waste of serif", to me it seems he's suggesting they're a waste of ink or a waste of letters. The "goof" here is that the typeface used on the box in the email is actually a sans-serif font, and there are no serifs wasted, if we interpret his statement literally as referring to serifs rather than letters/ink. As Jay notes, it also doesn't make much sense to call the UPC itself a waste of anything. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 01:51, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

== Strong Bad's Mum ==

This is the second email in a row in which SB has mentioned his mother.
:Probably could add that to the remarks section. depends how often he mentions her aside from these 2 emails. please ID your posts. {{User:Joshr915/sig}} 23:14, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Marshmallow ==

Worth mentioning that one of the marshmallows appears to be a boxing glove? [[User:Xerzes|Xerzes]] 20:16, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
:It is, if it's not already in the transcript. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 21:07, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

==obvious reference to Lucky Charms==
Lucky Charms are the originator or squary, sugary pieces of Styrofoam.
: It's the most famous, for sure, but it's certainly not the only such cereal and I'm not even sure it's the first. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:05, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== Defibrillators ==

Strong Bad mentions them as restarting a heart "if it stops" but this is not what they're used for. A defibrillator "resets" a heart that is beating too quickly. For a stopped heart, you use an adrenaline shot. — [[User:BustedHambroiger|BustedHambroiger]] ([[User talk:BustedHambroiger|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/BustedHambroiger|contribs]]) 23:09, 21 April 2008 (left [[HRWiki:Standards#Do sign your Talk posts|unsigned]])
:I don't think so..thats why they have defibs in public places and such. So if someone has a heart attack or whatever they can use it on em. They don't have adrenaline shots in public. I don't doubt they use shots, Im just saying I think the defib has a broader use that what you stated. And please ID your posts. thanks {{User:Joshr915/sig}} 23:12, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::I think BustedHambroiger is medically correct there, in that defibrillators are, as the name suggests, used to treat ventricular fibrillation (rapid, irregular beating) - it's a common mistake in the media that people are typically defibrillated when they have flatlined. It might be worth trying on flatlined patients in case the heart is in very rapid fibrillation, but it won't help if the heart has just stopped entirely. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 01:36, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
:BustedHambroiger is right. The Wikipedia article states: "Defibrillation is the definitive treatment for the life-threatening cardiac arrhythmias ventricular fibrillation and pulseless ventricular tachycardia." The former is a condition where the cardiac muscles contract spastically, and the latter is a rapid heart rhythm. Hollywood has given the impression that defibrillators can revive a stopped heart mostly due to the film "Flatliners", but while failing to stop ventricular fibrillation can cause a flatline, using one on someone whose heart has stopped is likely to have no effect. The More You Know! ^_- [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 08:47, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
::Technically the article says its not likely to work, or that its not the preferred method for dealing with a stopped heart. That does not mean that they couldn't or shouldn't be used to restart a stopped heart. -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]]

== Hypotheticos-Temporarios?/Braineye-Foreheadjewel? ==

I see a connection of some kind between the Hypotheticos cerial and the Temporarios cereal from [[strong badathlon]]. I also think the eye in Strong Bad's brain might have something to do with the jewel in his forehead. Anyone agree? {{User:Neox/sig}}

Talk:specially marked

JamesDean — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:31:35 GMT

JamesDean: /* UPSerif */

== Brain ==
I would just like to say that I think that the piece of the brain picture that strong bad mentions is a picture of the final boss of contra III: alien wars.
:[http://sdb.drshnaps.com/sheets/Misc/Misc/Other/Contra3LastBoss.gif Sure looks like it], minus the two horns though. [[User:Maktaka|Maktaka]] 12:59, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
::Good catch. And we know TBC play Contra because of [[Couch Mumbling]]. Someone who know about about it add it to the RWR. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 13:01, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

== UPSerif ==

How notable is this remark? Almost all cereal boxes contain UPC codes; that's not what Strong Bad is complaining about. It's when you have to SEND IN UPC codes, which would probably be noted somewhere on the cereal's box in any font they chose. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:33, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
: What remark are you talking about exactly?

== Strong Bad's Mum ==

This is the second email in a row in which SB has mentioned his mother.

specially marked

JamesDean — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:27:40 GMT

JamesDean: /* Goofs */

{{sbenav|194}}
[[Image:Sbemail194.png|thumb|"...fundamentally-sound college basketball players."]]
Strong Bad educates us on the free toys found in cereal boxes.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{film|Strong Bad}}, {{film|The Cheat}}, {{film|Homestar Runner}}

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Strong Badia]], [[Marzipan's House]]

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}

'''Date:''' April 21, 2008

'''Running Time:''' 3:08

'''Page Title:''' Lappy 486

==Transcript==
'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' If everybody in the world checked their email, the internet would probably break.

<blockquote class="lappy email">
<div>subject: cerial box toys</div>
Hey ho, Strongbad. 
What kind of free toys would you put in specially marked 
cerial boxes? 
PB 
Over the hills 
</blockquote>

''{Strong Bad reads 'cerial' as 'keh-ree-al'.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Ooh, I'm glad you asked, Problem Brian. I've been wanting to give specially marked boxes of cereal a specially marked piece of my mind for some time now.

''{A dotted-line circle appears near the top of Strong Bad's head. Two lines appear, going from the circle to a new circle, this time larger and in front of Strong Bad's head. In the bigger circle, there is a picture of Strong Bad's brain.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I pick...this one.

''{An arrow points to a spot on the left side of Strong Bad's brain. He clears the screen, and the circles dissapear.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Well before you get the toys inside, you first have to navigate the treacherous, jaggedy rock filled class 5 rapids of specially marked cereal box fake outs! Luckily, I'm a lame sandal wearing hippie with a ponytail hat's been down these rapids with groups of tourists many times!

''{Cuts to Strong Badia, where Strong Bad and The Cheat, wearing a ponytail and a helmet, respectively, are in the 'Riverquest Safariventure' box, with a hose running in front of it.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ok, gang, now im gonna need everyone to lean hard to the right! (Strong Bad pulls out some sort of microphone and makes a click noise}

''{Cut to Marzipan's kitchen. Strong Bad walks in from the right.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' One of the hazards you have to watch out for is cereals with anything grown in Iowa in the name. You know...

''{As Strong Bad says the items, boxes of Corn Flakes, Wheat Chaff, Oh T'meel, Crispy Hog Crunchies, and Fundament-o's appear, in that order.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ...corn, wheat, oats, hogs, fundamentally-sound college basketball players. Please, do stay away from these. Those cereals only put fitness-related crap in specially marked boxes.

''{A picture of a step counter appears against a blue background. In flashing letters on the bottom, it says 'One Free TakesteppaTM Step Take Monitor!}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{Voiceover}'' Oh, great! I can count how many steps I took today!

''{A picture of a defibrillator appears on-screen. At the top of the screen, it reads 'Clear?! One FreeTM Defib Kit Inside!}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{Voiceover}'' Fantastic! I can restart my heart if it stops!

''{Cut back to Marzipan's kitchen, where Strong Bad's face is on a box of 'Hypothetic-O's'.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' What you do want to look for are cereals with sound effects in the name.

''{The box flies off-screen. When Strong Bad names the sound effects, boxes for Fruit Smacks, Chocolate Breakfast Candy Bar Pops, Soundy Puffs, Blue Laser Blasts, and Sugar Rittled Gunshots in a Crowded Mall.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' Smacks, pops, puffs, blasts, and, um, gunshots in a crowded mall.

''{Cut to Strong Bad standing in the kitchen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' You know, the kind with the squarey, sugared pieces of styrofoam that they claim are marshmallows. These are guaranteed to have a nice, big—

''{Cut to a dirty Strong Bad hand reaching in the box of Cheat Commandos O's}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' —reach-your-nasty-unwashed-hand-straight-to-the-bottom-of-the-box toy in it.

''{Cut to Strong Bad standing in the kitchen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Next up are the three most useless letters in the specially marked alphabet.

''{Zoom to Strong Bad's mouth}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' U...P...C.

''{Cut back to Strong Bad standing.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' If you spot these wastes of serif on a cereal box,

''{Cut to a bar code}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' turn and run as fast as you can.

''{Cut back to Strong Bad standing.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' This means not only are they going to make you buy several more boxes that you have to cut the bar codes off of,

''{cut to a cereal box}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' but you're also going to have to involve your mom to write a check for the shipping and handling if she's back from Vegas!

''{Cut back to Strong Bad standing, talking angrily}'' The nerve of those cereals!

'''STRONG BAD:''' You leave my mom out of this!

''{Screen changes, there is now a box of cereal on the desk.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Some cereals can't even be bothered with a toy at all.

''{Cut to box}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' They try and pass off the back of the box—

''{Box flips, revealing a cutout of Crack Stuntman's head, with holes at the side so that it can be made into a mask.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' —as some kind of prize. That dotted line you expect me to cut along is like a toyless slap in my face! Masks,

''{The image of Crack's face becomes a maze. Gunhaver appears in the bottom left at the maze's entrance.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' mazes,

''{The top part of the maze becomes a word search. Most of the word search consists of uncommon letters like Q, while the words "'''BUY MORE CEREAL'''" appear in bold.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' word searches, PAH!

''{Throws box, cut back to Strong Bad standing}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I know the kind of kids that enjoyed these funtivities on the backs of cereal boxes, and let me tell you, they were real easy to beat up.

''{Homestar Runner walks in wearing a Crack Stuntman mask.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Blah, Strong Bad, Blah! I'm a crappy Stuntman!

'''STRONG BAD:''' You know what kind of toys I'd put in specially marked boxes?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Yes.

''{Zoom in on Strong Bad}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' The kind that are ''{Reaches into a cereal box}'' heavy and pointy enough ''{Zoom in on box}'' to do lasting damage to the face.

''{Strong Bad takes out a chainsaw-car and throws it at Homestar.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Strong Bad, while I'm down here, can you help me solve this word search? I can't find 'dextrose-flavornoids'.

''{[[New Paper]] comes down}''

==Easter Eggs==
*Click the words "Problem Brian" to see the book by [[Lem Sportsinterviews#Beverly Sportsinterviews|Bev Sportsinterviews]].
*Click on Homestar's foot at the end to see a [[printable]] [[Crack Stuntman]] mask.
*Click on Strong Bad's head at the end to see [[Breakfast Cereals from Specially Marked|all the cereal boxes shown in the email]].

==Fun Facts==
===Explanations===
*[[Wikipedia:Whitewater#Classification of whitewater|Class 5 rapids]] have rocks, waves and possibly a steep drop, requiring advanced rafting experience. It is the second highest of the six whitewater classifications.

=== Goofs ===
*The "Problem Brian" Easter egg is still clickable when hidden by the closeup of Strong Bad's brain.
*The Email Strong Bad and Back buttons at the end of the email are still clickable when hidden by the Crack Stuntman mask's background in the Easter egg.
*UPC codes and the numbers beneath them are actually [[Wikipedia:Sans-serif|sans-serif]].

=== Inside References ===
*The chainsaw car is from [[what I want]].
*Strong Bad's ponytail was first seen in [[bike thief]] as part of his college student persona.
*The walking man on the step counter is from [[50K Racewalker]].
*Corn Crunch was previously seen in [[death metal]], where it contained a full-size alto saxophone (contradicting Strong Bad's claims in this email).
*The "riverquest safariventure" ride was first seen in [[theme park]]. The running hose next to it, as well as the mic/speaker PA, are also from said email.
*Strong Bad pulls a [[Ser-g-geant Marshie]] toy out of the box of Cheat Commando's...0s.

[[Image:SBbrain.PNG|150px|thumb|Strong Bad's brain!]]

=== Real World References ===
*The opening of the email, "Hey, ho, Strong Bad," is said in a way reminiscent of [[Wikipedia:Blitzkrieg Bop|Blitzkrieg Bop]] by [[Wikipedia:Ramones|the Ramones]]. The song's chant was previously parodied in [[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]], in which [[Marzipan]] dressed up as [[Wikipedia:Joey Ramone|Joey Ramone]].
* Strong Bad's [[Brains|brain]] is based off the second form of the final boss in the [[Nintendo#Super Nintendo Entertainment System (SNES)|Super Nintendo]] game [[Wikipedia:Contra_III:_The_Alien_Wars|Contra III: The Alien Wars]].
* The Fundament-O's box resembles cereal brands like [[Wikipedia:Wheaties|Wheaties]], in which they put a popular athlete on the front of every box.
* The 'One Free Takesteppa Step Take Monitor!' is a reference to the free [[Wikipedia:pedometer|pedometers]] which have actually come free in boxes of certain healthy cereals.
*"Every step U take" is a line from the song [[Wikipedia:Every Breath You Take|Every Breath You Take]] by [[Wikipedia:The Police|The Police]].

==External Links==
{{sbemailextlinks|194|13929}}

{{Strong Bad Email}}

Talk:Limozeen Live! - 27 Mar 2008

JamesDean — Sat, 12 Apr 2008 16:01:09 GMT

JamesDean: /* What would be nice */

== Name ==

The capitalization aside, I don't think this ([[limozeen show]]) is the best location for the article. From [[:Image:limolive.png|the preview]], [http://youtube.com/profile?user=tdougland tdougland's channel], and other places, I think that the official name of the concert is "Limozeen Live!" Hence, I propose that this page be moved to [[Limozeen Live! - 27 Mar 2008]], and [[Limozeen Live!]] be reserved for a redirect to this page. The current page there should be moved to [[Limozeen Live! (practice)]] (or something similar). We should move on this quickly, so please share your thoughts if you have any... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:26, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:Agreed. With the full concert now available, we need to have unique names for both {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 15:44, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

== Possible Real-World References ==

"Women and Men" is also a song by [[They Might Be Giants]] on their album [[Wikipedia:Flood (They Might Be Giants album)|Flood]]. Could the Limozeen song (at least its name) be a reference to it? And Strong Bad's (or Larry's, or Matt's) line describing Fhqwhgads, "It's an oldie...at least it's an oldie where I come from." right away reminded me of what Marty (Michael J. Fox) said in [[Wikipedia:Back to the Future|Back to the Future]]. Do these count? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 18:14, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

:Don't forget that later Strong McDoo said that "fhgwhgads" was a "blues riff in B," etc. also from Back to the Future.{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 06:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

:I think we're going to need separate pages for all the songs in this show. Some the lyrics are changed and there are some references, as you mentioned, to debate. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:58, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

== Additional Band Members ==

The two additional band members should be noted here, but on my end the audio is too poor to accurately make the names out. Anyone else? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:47, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
: I'm pretty sure those are the members of Y-O-U. Other than that, I have no idea. —{{User:Mibluvr13/sig}} 22:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::They are Harry and Terry. It's easier to make out their names during the introductions in "Living It Up" {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 23:46, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Gary Palaroncini was played by J. Christopher Arrison, not a member of Y.O.U. Limozeen's keyboardist was played by Mark Bencuya, the newest member of Y.O.U.

:I think one thing that would be helpful is who played which character at the show so they can be properly document that information. Right now we have:
:*[[Larry Palaroncini]] - [[Matt Chapman]]
:*[[Gary Palaroncini]] - J. Christopher Arrison
:*[[Perry Palaroncini]] - Peter Olsen?
:*[[Mary Palaroncini]] - Mark Cobb?
:*[[Harry Palaroncini]] - Nick Niespodziani?
:*[[Terry Palaroncini]] - Mark Bencuya

:Are these all correct? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 16:35, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

These are correct.

Out of curiosity who played Schenkel McDoo? -[[User:207.206.239.210|207.206.239.210]]
:That was also Matt, just wearing a different wig. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:38, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
::Makes sense, how else would he pull off Strong Bad's appearance? -[[User:76.24.92.216|76.24.92.216]]

== sloshy ==
Someone should add the sloshy clips to this page.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBGGCx5HuFA

-goodnessOfFit

== What would be nice ==

Is to have some sort of general description of what happened there. Why is Strong Bad's voice in that guy's body, why is his voice so bad, how was it set up, how did they introduce themselves. Are we just waiting on someone who was there to help or what? -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 22:13, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
: "Why was Strong Bad's voice in that guy's body"? Did you seriously ask that? It's because he's [[Matt Chapman]], who does the voice of Strong Bad, of course! Did you not recognize him without the [[Sample of Style|cardboard tube]]? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:15, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
::NO REALLY? I thot strongbad was a real person!!!
::sheesh
::in one of the videos strongbad said something about how he rocked out so hard that he ended up in this swede's body... so some kind of explanation along those lines might be nice, I don't know the whole story. -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 04:42, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
:::It's in the Trogdor video, I'll try to figure out what he said. -[[User:207.206.239.213|207.206.239.213]]
: So can anyone provide any sort of transcript as to the general overview of the show? -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]]

Talk:Limozeen Live! - 27 Mar 2008

JamesDean — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:42:48 GMT

JamesDean: /* What would be nice */

Talk:Limozeen Live! - 27 Mar 2008

JamesDean — Fri, 11 Apr 2008 04:42:30 GMT

JamesDean: /* What would be nice */

== Name ==

The capitalization aside, I don't think this ([[limozeen show]]) is the best location for the article. From [[:Image:limolive.png|the preview]], [http://youtube.com/profile?user=tdougland tdougland's channel], and other places, I think that the official name of the concert is "Limozeen Live!" Hence, I propose that this page be moved to [[Limozeen Live! - 27 Mar 2008]], and [[Limozeen Live!]] be reserved for a redirect to this page. The current page there should be moved to [[Limozeen Live! (practice)]] (or something similar). We should move on this quickly, so please share your thoughts if you have any... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:26, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:Agreed. With the full concert now available, we need to have unique names for both {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 15:44, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

== Possible Real-World References ==

"Women and Men" is also a song by [[They Might Be Giants]] on their album [[Wikipedia:Flood (They Might Be Giants album)|Flood]]. Could the Limozeen song (at least its name) be a reference to it? And Strong Bad's (or Larry's, or Matt's) line describing Fhqwhgads, "It's an oldie...at least it's an oldie where I come from." right away reminded me of what Marty (Michael J. Fox) said in [[Wikipedia:Back to the Future|Back to the Future]]. Do these count? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 18:14, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

:Don't forget that later Strong McDoo said that "fhgwhgads" was a "blues riff in B," etc. also from Back to the Future.{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 06:25, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

:I think we're going to need separate pages for all the songs in this show. Some the lyrics are changed and there are some references, as you mentioned, to debate. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:58, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

== Additional Band Members ==

The two additional band members should be noted here, but on my end the audio is too poor to accurately make the names out. Anyone else? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:47, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
: I'm pretty sure those are the members of Y-O-U. Other than that, I have no idea. —{{User:Mibluvr13/sig}} 22:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::They are Harry and Terry. It's easier to make out their names during the introductions in "Living It Up" {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 23:46, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Gary Palaroncini was played by J. Christopher Arrison, not a member of Y.O.U. Limozeen's keyboardist was played by Mark Bencuya, the newest member of Y.O.U.

:I think one thing that would be helpful is who played which character at the show so they can be properly document that information. Right now we have:
:*[[Larry Palaroncini]] - [[Matt Chapman]]
:*[[Gary Palaroncini]] - J. Christopher Arrison
:*[[Perry Palaroncini]] - Peter Olsen?
:*[[Mary Palaroncini]] - Mark Cobb?
:*[[Harry Palaroncini]] - Nick Niespodziani?
:*[[Terry Palaroncini]] - Mark Bencuya

:Are these all correct? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 16:35, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

These are correct.

Out of curiosity who played Schenkel McDoo? -[[User:207.206.239.210|207.206.239.210]]
:That was also Matt, just wearing a different wig. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:38, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
::Makes sense, how else would he pull off Strong Bad's appearance? -[[User:76.24.92.216|76.24.92.216]]

== sloshy ==
Someone should add the sloshy clips to this page.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBGGCx5HuFA

-goodnessOfFit

== What would be nice ==

Is to have some sort of general description of what happened there. Why is Strong Bad's voice in that guy's body, why is his voice so bad, how was it set up, how did they introduce themselves. Are we just waiting on someone who was there to help or what? -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 22:13, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
: "Why was Strong Bad's voice in that guy's body"? Did you seriously ask that? It's because he's [[Matt Chapman]], who does the voice of Strong Bad, of course! Did you not recognize him without the [[Sample of Style|cardboard tube]]? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:15, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
::NO REALLY? I thot strongbad was a real person!!!
sheesh
in one of the videos strongbad said something about how he rocked out so hard that he ended up in this swede's body... so some kind of explanation along those lines might be nice, I don't know the whole story. -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 04:42, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:rated

JamesDean — Tue, 08 Apr 2008 15:29:48 GMT

JamesDean: /* e.email cummings */

== Klown Kare ==
This page needs some serious klown kare, and not just the funny kind. No, I'm talking DEATH METAL KLOWN KARE! Y'know, cause I heard of this band with a clown mascot or sumtin. Whatever, just fix it! --{{User:Homfrog/sig}} 11:19, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:The page doesn't look too bad to me, but I cleaned some of it up. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 11:27, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

::Could we also get a different image to match the current caption or give the current image a different caption? Seriously, the line is ''not'' said at that part, and you don't want the Bros. Chaps to use the current image when they post the email on Podstar Runner in the next few months, do ya? --[[User:Charlie Jr.|Charlie Jr.]] 14:50, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

== Missing Scene Transcript? ==
What about the scene that follows the film-rating screen where Strong Bad attempts to get into a movie he isn't old enough for, along with Bubs and Coach Z? This article seems to end just before that scene. What gives?
:on it, y'all --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman (Neumannz)]] 17:26, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

== Explaining the R ==

Does someone want to take a stab at explaining how this is kind of a twist on how before movie ratings had the NC-17 designation, they got an X rating, but there were XXX ratings as well, but there was never any official explanation to the public as to what the difference was between X, XX, and XXX? It really does seem to be based on this, as despite TBC's strong desire to not reference pornography directly, their blurry "RRR-movies" is clearly a reference to the early days of cable with the blocked out pornographic channels, which was also when the X vs XXX issue was public.--[[User:64.193.79.137|64.193.79.137]] 20:10, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
: For reference, there is not and never was an official "XXX" rating - according to Wikipedia (and some other source I read in the past) adult movie makers deliberately gave movies an "XXX rating" on their own to make their movies look even more enticing. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:38, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::The only rating that exist is the X-rating. However, you have to pay money to have your movie be rated, so adult movie makers just add in an "XXX rating", both to make the movie exiciting, and to save money sending it over to the review board. Nobody has given an "XX"-rating movie, because it just sounds plain dumb.--[[User:149.169.205.74|149.169.205.74]] 18:22, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
Right...I'm aware of both of those...but at the time, there were all sorts of unofficial explanations thrown around. (Remember, this is before wikipedia, this was back in the days when there wasn't a ready available source of answers on popculture.) And, at the time, explaining the difference between an X rated a XXX rated movie included all sorts of weird claims. Yes, it was pure advertising, but the assumption of those who were looking felt that there was some basis for the rating. And yes, I've never heard of a XX movie either, but in the urban legend explanation, I assure you, people were coming up with classifications for them. --[[User:64.193.79.137|64.193.79.137]] 20:10, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

== SB's dad? ==

I'm probably reading way too far into it, which is why I'm not putting it on any article, but how telling is it that he says Coach Z "only ''kinda''" looks like his mother, but says nothing about Bubs's [[Family Resemblence|resemblance]] to his father? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:31, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

== Posters ==

yo's, can somebody start trivia-ing and inside reference-ing the movie posters? --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman (Neumannz)]] 17:34, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
: Aren't the movie posters the same ones as the RRR-rated movies SB had only just mentioned? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:40, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
: Oh, oh, OOOOOOHHHHHH!!! You meant the people ON the posters. Wight, wight. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:44, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::Yes, but there seem to be some hidden jokes there. For example, I did catch [[Cherry Greg]] listed in the credits of one film. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 17:45, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::I also caught [[A. Chimendez]] on one of them. I think it was the second. -{{User:YK/sig}} 17:49, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

== Fists of One-Through-Twenty Four ==

would the fists of knuckles series be a reference to [[Wikipedia:Rocky (film series)|rocky]], which is not only a fighting series, but is the prototypical--and unless i am mistaken, the most made-fun-of--"too many sequels" series...? --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman (Neumannz)]] 18:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

== Coach Z, fuh-ree-kee! ==

Coach Z ''really'' wants to be a mom doesn't he? First it was [[garage sale|garbage sale]] and now this! He is ''confuuuuuused!''

-Alex H.

== Scrambled ==

has anybody unscrambled the image on the tv at the end? I don't even know if it's possible, but it looks like there's a puppy in it.[[User:64.244.131.194|64.244.131.194]]
:[[Image:Blurry TV Screen.PNG|thumb|right]]
:Here's two images from the decompiled Flash file. That's as good as they get in the actual toon. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:57, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

::The top one looks like it has Trogdor's beefy arm in it, and the bottom one reminds me of the snowman from the [[Wikipedia:ClayFighter|ClayFighter]] series. I'm sure they're both coincidences, though. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:28, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::If you invert the colours, the image becomes more clear. A minotaur-like man weilding a bone against a black-haired fellow in jeans can be pieced together from both pictures. They need to be, um, degaussed or something to fully restructure them. Something that requires technology beyond my grasp. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:31, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
[[Image:Blurry TV Screen slightly undistorted.png|thumb|right]]
::::Mmmyeah, one can even make out which Chap is in the picture when you undistort it slightly. Someone with better tools or skillz than me should get to work on this.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 21:38, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::Hm... Minotaur-like man? Weilding a club? Against a man? On Homestar Runner? Asking many question fragments? Or is that me? Anyway, mayhap it's from [[Peasant's Quest Trailer]]? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:40, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::For reference, when I hit the "edit" button to reply to that, the slightly-unscrambled picture wasn't present. I'm not entirely sure whether I was right or wrong with my guess, seeing it. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:45, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

::::::It's Kerrek! Check out around 3524 in the PQ's Trailer! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:49, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::And the bad cable smote the Kerrek, and all was laid to staticnation. Yeah, that's what I was thinking. Though Kerrek looks a LOT less menacing in that picture than I usually imagine him. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:05, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Mayeb that's why we only see him in extreme close-up in the trailer.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::What I think it is, it's just Mike (or some other actor?) with the Kerrek head costume menacing Matt in the peasant robe, holding Jhonka's bone. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 22:25, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::I went into photoshop and fixed it a bit more -- THe Kerrek isn't the one holding the bone, it's Matt that's holding it. I went ahead and replaced the image with my version. [[User:Yadaman|Yadaman]] 12:10, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

== "G" for "Green" ==

Um, it says in the Trivia section that green rating screens are only for G-rated screens. [http://www.souleropposite.com/images/mpaa.gif Not true]. --[[User:Abelhawk|Abelhawk]] 21:14, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
:Noted and removed. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:20, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

It's still not quite accurate. The green cards are given when the trailer itself is approved for all audiences, even if the movie is PG or R rated. Red (and yellow) cards are for instances where the ''trailer'' is restricted.

:Good point. A side-note, the band, in this case, should actually be yellow. Since previews for "certain audiences" (as stated in toon) or "age-restricted" (as in real life) previews on the internet are this way. However, it's hard to even state that as this rating card says "the following FILM" instead of "the following PREVIEW" as it should. Multiple non-important errors are present in that card. But not really a big issue. The current revision of this Trivia tid-bit is fine. {{User:Joshr915/sig}} 21:46, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

::Except that it's factually incorrect. Updating. [[User:Wfaulk|Wfaulk]] 23:24, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

:::Hold on a second here. The rating screen is NOT for a trailer. It's for the actual movie. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:33, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

The trailer rating card color is in reference to the trailer's appropriateness. An R-rated movie could get a green card if the content is appropriate for play with films of any rating. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trailer_%28film%29 or the movie "This Film is Not Yet Rated."

:Above comment, ID your responses, thank you. The current revision is totally incorrect. The card itself states it is appropriate for 'certain audiences' although not to be taken seriously, literally it is incorrect. As stated on wikipedia, internet trailers for only certain audiences (age appropriate) are to be yellow. I suggest total removal of this item as people can't seem to get the correct information here. And as Jay states above, this isn't really a rating for a PREVIEW it is for a FILM. The Film as a whole. Again, removal would avoid any further confusion and debate. {{User:Joshr915/sig}} 15:29, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

== Come Back When You're All Growed Up ==

Is it a Rugrats reference? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 01:20, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
:Could you explain what about this is referencing The Rugrats? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:19, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::The Rugrats had another series a few years ago under the premise that the Rugrats had grown up to become preteens. The name of the program was called something like "Rugrats: All Growed Up" {{User:Flashfight/sig}}
:::It was called [[Wikipedia:All Grown Up!|All Grown Up!]], but the Rugrats special it was based on was called [[Wikipedia:All Growed Up|All Growed Up]]. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 10:19, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

== Perhaps a delete-heads reference? ==

the easter egg with strong sad and homsar a delete-heads refance perhaps?
:In what conceivable way? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 08:53, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
::That was my first impression upon viewing this, it was very clear that Gron Sad and Homsar [both card carrying Deleteheads] are engaged in fan clubery. Whether that's worth a mention of not is debateable, but I definitely agree that the connection is there. {{User:Flashfight/sig}}

== What is that fweaking wooowd? ==

I hear Bu-hubs say "Trina," not "Gena" (which I've never seen spelled as anything but "Gina" anyway). I was thinking it went along with the Women's Pen (etc. etc.) star, but that poster may have just biased my hearing. Can somebody with better tech skills or more-awakeness than me slow down the audio and check? In the meantime, I'm-a gonna change it m'self. -- {{User:Onamuji/sig}} 14:23, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

== e.email cummings ==

Does <big> anyone</big> else think we should put SB's erratic typing into a sender's-email-style box, to accurately depict the erraticness (erraticity? errata? Erik Estrada?)? We don't really have a precedent for him doing this sort of thing, unless you count when he typed in different fonts to pretend to be legions of screaming girls. I'd argue that this example is considerably different from that one, though. Unfortunately, I'm not enough of a computer genius man to format wiki font in that way. Anybody agree it should be done/up to the task? -- {{User:Onamuji/sig}} 14:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
: Yeah, I'd agree for what its worth. -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 15:29, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Talk:buried

JamesDean — Thu, 06 Mar 2008 15:27:52 GMT

JamesDean: /* "Pathquaya" */

== With His Pairs? ==

can anybody tell what strong bad is saying during the first line of his email song? i wrote "pans" in the transcript, but not only does that make absolutely no sense, but i think i can hear an "r" in there. suggestions? --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman (Neumannz)]] 16:51, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure it's "With this pants", not only because that's definitely what I hear, but it's also a [[pants|running gag]]. --[[Image:qod_22_-_reynold.PNG|20px]] [[User:Lelila|lelila]] [[User_talk:Lelila|(talk)]] 17:03, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
::well the second line he definitely says "with his pants", but that's why i don't think that's the first line he says --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman (Neumannz)]] 17:13, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
::I heard pants twice, myself.. the first could be something like "parnts", but other than "parents" which it really didn't sound like, I can't think of anything else that's close to. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 17:15, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
::It's [[pants]]. [[User:Stev0|Stev0]] 18:57, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
::I heard pants. And since everyone (especially Strong Bad) knows that randomly inserting pants into your sentences makes them much more hilarious, I think it's pants too. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 03:13, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

== Homeschool ==

I'm pretty sure I saw Homeschool Winner's skull on the drawing Strong Bad made of what could lie a few feet beneath Strong Badia. Is this notable? [[User:AlmsforthePudgy|AlmsforthePudgy]] 17:10, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Yea, I thought that too. Though it could just be some other dinosaur's half-skeleton. --[[User:71.113.62.14|71.113.62.14]] 18:11, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

The conclusions we're drawing about Homeschool winner, and how it's a reference to that Sample of style toon seems like a stretch to me. I'm not convinced it's even supposed to be him.
On a related note, I see that death was already linked. My mistake. I'm sure it'll get resolved though. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 19:27, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:Ok, maybe the reference to Sample of Style I made was a little stretchy. Buy I '''do''' think this is Homeschool. Just look at that overbite and elongated skull. It's unmistakable. So I just drew the conclusion that "dead + Homeschool = Sample of Style". I could be wrong, this is up for debate, but there is no way that this is not Homeschool Winner. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:57, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
::i concur re: homeschool winner, and although i wouldn't insist on it, i can understand where the sample of style connection can be made ---[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman (Neumannz)]] 20:30, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:::Nonetheless, he should not be listed in the cast, as he's simply in a picture. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
::::In my defense, this thread was about his appearance, and my question was about the connection to [[sample of style]] but yes, in retrospect, it could easily have gone here. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]]

== Different Town tie-in? ==

Should there be an inside reference about the "box filled up with peas" in the picture and how it was mentioned in [[different town]]? If so, what needs to be said about it?
--[[User:Bobsmith84|Bobsmith84]] 18:24, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:Oh! Good eye! I wondered what that cube was. But if it's peas, why does KoT want to eat it? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:39, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
::it's not the box he wants to eat, it's the layers of earth. the box is just the trigger associated with the KWOT --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman (Neumannz)]] 18:48, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

== Nickelodeon game-show reference? ==

I remember watching game shows on Nickelodeon when I was a kid, and metal detectors were often awarded as prizes on one of them. Does anyone else remember this? And more importantly, does anyone else remember what show? (I'm thinking [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double_Dare_%281986_game_show%29 Double Dare]. Or was it more than one show that did this?)

There's a "Real World Reference" in this somewhere, I just can't quite pin it down. Anyone?
--[[User:Bobsmith84|Bobsmith84]] 19:21, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

:Well, after some googling, best I could come up with was [http://www.dragons-lair-project.com/community/related/starcade/ Starcade], which I've never personally heard of, but it sounds right up TBC's alley. The article says they had metal detectors as prizes. (ETA: oops, forgot to sign) --[[Image:qod_22_-_reynold.PNG|20px]] [[User:Lelila|lelila]] [[User_talk:Lelila|(talk)]] 20:17, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

::TBC have remarked in the G4 interview that they love Starcade, so it's definitely possible. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] ([[User_talk:furrykef|Talk at me]]) 04:40, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

== Goof ==

The "rent out the dirt" button still is "tab-enter"-able after the first line and a half or so of the next lappy typing screen. --[[User:205.213.123.129|205.213.123.129]] 19:09, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

== Deja Vu Music? ==
I could swear that the background music heard during the Taranchula metal-detector consolation-prize cutaway is from another Homestar toon. Can anyone put a name on it so we can use it as an inside reference? 20:35, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

== Inside reference? ==

Does this really count as an inside reference?

*Bubs seems to be hiding the death of some fellow named Rich, whose coffin can be seen at the end of the email.

I was of the opinion that it had to be from a separate toon, and if so, where should it go? [[User:DumbMuscle|DumbMuscle]] 22:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:Because death is a recurring element/gag in some toons. The [[death]] page ties all appearances of death together in a list. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:03, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

==Illustration / Dr. Seuss==

The illustration looks like Whoville. {{unsigned|Awexome|22:07, 3 March 2008 (UTC)}} 22:07, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

I think we need to reach some consencus about if Strong Bad's ending drawing is a reference to Dr. Seuss. It wasn't the 1st thing that came to ''my'' mind when I watched the email. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:15, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:It wasn't ''any'' thing that came to mind upon seeing it, even after hearing the fact. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:18, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
::The primitive buildings look like those of Whoville. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 22:31, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:::I don't agree - they look like all sorts of fancy buildings. Ima say no reference. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:33, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
::::I had a few Seuss books in my time, but never anything with this type of drawing. If this it's best if the person suggesting the fact brings up a comparative image. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 22:36, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:::::After seeing it again, I'll have to say it's more the urban outro of Sesame Street, with the dancing NYC skyline. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 00:58, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

== Parents ==

*Strong Bad believes that his parents are aliens in this email, but he showed us a picture of his parents (even if it was hidden by [[Le Restige]]) in [[the chair]].

However, the picture just says "nice try dodongo". It is possible he does not know who his parents truly are, which might explain his reluctance to discuss them. Of course, that's entirely speculatory, but this remark seems to say that Strong Bad was seriously showing us a picture of his parents when I think evidence suggests he was not. Not certain how to reword. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:13, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:I think the "nice try, dodongo" is only there for the viewers. It's a TBC trick, not a Strong Bad trick. Strong Bad seriously WAS showing us a picture of his parents; it was blocked by the chair's back. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:17, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:It certainly seems to me that deliberately did that because he knew that we wouldn't see what he was doing/showing. "nice try, dodongo" is obviously aimed at people who might try Flash decompiling though. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 22:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
::Strong Bad says in this email "my parents are REALLY..." which means that even though he knows (knew?) who his parents are, they were probably adoptive -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]]

== McDoo & Videlectrix ==

not entirely sure this is Talk worthy, but does anyone else see the resemblance b/t mcdoo (i am not bothering w/ his first name) and one of the videlectrix guys? well, yeah, they're both [[Matt Chapman|Matt]], but mcdoo is just the videlectrix guy with a wig. the reason i bring it up is because of his appearance with the videlectrix kidx MD ---[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman (Neumannz)]] 22:20, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
:Hmm. If there's anything notable, it'd be notable on [[Taranchula]], not here, as that's always how he looks. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:35, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

==Cocoon==

The cocoon looks like those from Invader Zim [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 00:59, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

== Pascual Perez & Atlanta ==

While checking his Wikipedia page, I see that Pascual Perez was not just a major league pitcher (which I knew offhand), but was a former All-Star and that his one All-Star appearance was with the Atlanta Braves. Given TBC's desire to make Atlanta the center of the known universe (j/k), is it worth including the Atlanta connection in the "Real-World Reference"? -- TJDevil02
:I think it's relevant, especially since he played for the Braves from 1982 to 1985, during their baseball-loving childhoods. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:48, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
::Homestar was named after Mark Lemke, another player for the braves.{{User:The Teach!/Twig}}
:::Yes, that's been appropriately noted. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:27, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

== Paper Detector ==

Is it worth mentioning that the metal detector appears to detect a piece of paper with a chicken nugget in it, while neither of those is metal? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:14, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
:No, that's just a piece of tin foil with a picture Strong Mad drew of you when you were little. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:47, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
::Okay, I missed that line. My bad. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 03:35, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

== Kidx ==

Would this be considered the first non-video game videlectrix product, or does the "kidx" part change everything? (I know theres boardelectrix, but thats a seperate company without "vid" in the name) {{User:The Teach!/Twig}}
:It's clearly the same company, just a new (to us) division. I don't think anything more than a note in the [[Videlectrix]] article is needed. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:28, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
::The 1st non-video game Videlectrix product was the Peasant's Quest movie. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 03:31, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

== The Chase ==

Speachless. This thing is how many hours old? and you people already figured out what episode of Star Trek was being referenced. I bet TBC were using this site as a litmus test make more star trek/star wars inside jokes.
:I'm often amazed at the references people can put together. I wouldn't know a tenth of the things that end up in our fun facts. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:16, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
::Yeah... sometimes I wonder if even TBC are suprised at some of the connections we make. "Wait... we made a reference to ''what''?" --[[Image:qod_22_-_reynold.PNG|20px]] [[User:Lelila|lelila]] [[User_talk:Lelila|(talk)]] 18:50, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

== World Class Hole ==

Gentlemen, gentlemen!

Are we forgetting... WORLD CLASS HOLE?!

I refer you to 2 years.

The end of the e-mail suggests a TRULY world class hole.

:It's been 5 years since that email, but I agree. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 21:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
::But the hole we see is harldly world-class. It'd sorta more like someone's-backyard-class. The drawing of Strong Bad's is based on his bad imagination. There's nothing to suggest it is or will ever be dug. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:49, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

==Bubs rent==
Wait, so Strong Bad rents Strong Badia from Bubs [see:[[colonization]]] who in turn rents space from Strong Bad to bury his toxic waste. Worth a remark? — [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 10:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

That was more of Strong Bad's highly unphotographic memory, I thinks.
::How does Strong Bad's memory play into it? It's Bubs' actions that seem out of place, not Strobro's. — [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]] 12:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
:::We only have Strong Bad's telling of the colonization of Strong Badia to suggest that he pays rent to Bubs, and it's hard to say if anything is true in that account. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 19:06, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

== Different Foreheads ==

This Fun fact has been removed from the article:
<blockquote>Strong Bad's line about beings with different foreheads refers to the Klingons (and other such alternate species) of ''[[Wikipedia:Star Trek|Star Trek]]''. More specifically, it refers to the plot of the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode 'The Chase', in which the Enterprise crew discover a message from an ancient race who claim to have seeded the galaxy with other races that look like them, including humans and Klingons.</blockquote>
I'm wondering if this is indeed a valid fact based on three points: a) Strong Bad's line is definitely out of context and a reference to something b) [[Wikipedia:The Chase (Star Trek: The Next Generation)|The Chase]] is apparently regarded as an explanation why most Star Trek races all look the same except for the bumps on their foreheads and c) [[Star Trek]] has been referenced many times.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 21:45, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure the fact is correct. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 21:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
::I actually think, upon watching the toon again, that this fact was indeed correct. I removed it a bit hastily, but he's saying not only THAT the only difference is the foreheads, but asking WHY is definitely a reference to the chase. Unbaleeted! {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:46, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

==Illustration==

I was just thinking that the illustration resembles the animation style of Kaput and Zosky. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 21:51, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
:Congratulations. You've already found the "This", and the "That". Now all we need is "The Other Thing", and we'll be able to *officially* rule out the ending picture as being a reference to something. -{{User:YK/sig}} 02:51, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
:::He compared the picture to Whoville, Sesame Street, and Kaput and Zosky, so I think he filled all 3 requirements. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 23:29, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
::::Yes, after looking back, you're right, he did. So, it's official. [[TTATOT|That term I'm getting decidedly sick of, yet that works well in this situation]]. -{{User:YK/sig}} 23:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
::I first thought about a crud PBTC drawing. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 07:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

=="Pathquaya"==

This sounds to me like an exaggerated Spanish accent pronunciation of the emailer's name. Can anybody else confirm this? Also, would this count as a Real World Reference? [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 04:04, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
:Yes and every time he says it with an american accent thats a real world reference too -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]]

== detect-OR ==

So, I noticed that when Strong Bad and the announcer man say detector, they put a lot of emphasis on the last syllable. This is reminiscent of both [[Drive-Thru]] and [[other_days|Other Days]], making this the third occurrence of the over-emphasized -OR. I'm thinking this might make it worthy of becoming an inside reference/recurring gag. Anyone else agree? --[[Image:qod_22_-_reynold.PNG|20px]] [[User:Lelila|lelila]] [[User_talk:Lelila|(talk)]] 07:24, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

==Wipes and Montages==

What are those? [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 22:29, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
:Movie techniques, often used to imply passage of time. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 22:33, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
:And Strong Bad creat'd <nowiki>[sic]</nowiki> some montages in [[montage]]. -- 01:02, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

==Metal Detector==

Do metal detectors detect bottlecaps and tinfoil? [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 22:34, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

:According to the research I did, they can detect aluminum. See http://metaldetectorreviews.net/manual.shtml . {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:38, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

== Paully Pasqually ==

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasquale_Paoli for a reference or some. --[[User:99.153.135.61|99.153.135.61]] 02:29, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
:Now here's an interesting idea. Reference to this dude or simple corruption of the emailer's name. I can't tell. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 02:58, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Talk:buried

JamesDean — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:30:50 GMT

JamesDean: /* Parents */

buried

JamesDean — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 22:28:12 GMT

JamesDean: /* Real-World References */

{{sbenav|191}}
[[Image:sbemail_191_screenshot_2.png|thumb|"Quit ruining my ruins, Jurassic Dork!"]]

Strong Bad and The Cheat try to discover what is under Strong Badia.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{film|Strong Bad}}, [[Taranchula|Schenkel McDoo]], {{film|The Cheat}}, {{film|Strong Sad}}, {{film|Bubs}}, {{film|The King of Town}} (audio only, Easter Egg)

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Strong Badia]]

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}

'''Date:''' Monday, March 3, 2008

'''Running Time: ''' 3:55

'''Page Title:''' Lappy 486

==Transcript==

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' Oh, who's checkin' emails with his pants, who's checkin' emails with his pants! ''{brings up the email}''

<blockquote class="lappy email">
<div>subject: Ancient Ruins?</div>
Dear Strong Bad, 
Do you know whether or not there are ancient ruins 
buried deep under Strong Badia? 
Thanks, 
Paul M. Pasquella
</blockquote>
''{reads "Pasquella" as "Pathquaya"}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Well Pauly Pasqually, I know for sure there's a lotta ''something'' buried deep under Strong Badia. Mainly cause I rent out the dirt to unsavory characters in need of a place to stash, ditch, or make disappear, the evidence of their choice. ''{clears screen}'' I never really thought that there might be ancient ruins down there, though. I think this calls for America's coolest children's game show consolation prize: the metal detector! ''{music starts playing}''

''{Cut to a blackboard with "SLOP! MESS! QUIZ!" written on it}''

'''ANNOUNCER:''' And our stupid contestants will receive the [[Taranchula]] brand Black Metal Detec-tor! ''{While he speaks, Taranchula's logo and the metal detector appear, followed by Videlectrix Kidx logo.}'' From Videlectrix Kidx..sx!

''{Picture of Schenkel McDoo giving an "OK" sign moves in}''

'''SCHENKEL MCDOO:''' ''{voice}'' Yah, guys, maybe find some coin! ''{words appear as he speaks}''

''{Cut to Strong Badia. Strong Bad and the Cheat are standing in a large, shallow depression in the dirt with a shovel nearby. The Cheat is wearing a pith helmet. Strong Bad is using the Taranchula metal detector.}''

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{questioning The Cheat noises}''

''{Close up on Strong Bad}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I already told you, man! Where there's ruins, there's riches! And booby-traps we can steal ideas from!

''{Cut back to wide shot}''

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{The Cheat noises, saluting}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Well, let's do thiiiiiiiiiis! ''{ends on a high pitch}''

''{Strong Bad switches on metal detector and moves it around. The metal detector makes heavy metal beats in changing frequency}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Whoa, we're getting warm! ''{takes a step forward, the metal detector starts playing a guitar solo}'' We've got something, The Cheat!

''{He steps back and The Cheat sweeps the ground with a small brush. A small red object appears in the dirt.}''

''{Close-up of Strong Bad}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{dropping metal detector}'' It looks like the top of an enormous riches-filled structure! And wait, there's an inscription! ''{leans forward, reading}'' "Col...donesdry..." Must be the name of an ancient civilization!

''{Cut to close-up of Strong Sad in front of the fence}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{raising finger}'' Uh, me again! I think that's just the cap of a bottle of ''{cut to bottle cap in the dirt}'' Cold Ones Dry. You could probably just pick it up.

''{Cut back to wide shot}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' What, are you crazy? I'm not touching that thing! It's booby trapped! It'll shoot a bunch of poison-tipped witch doctors at me!

''{Close up of Strong Sad}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Riiiiiight. Or, it's just a bottle cap, and you're crazier than ever.

''{Close up of Strong Bad}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' You may be half right, kid. ''{picks up metal detector}'' Now, help me find some dang riches. ''{cut to wide shot. Strong Bad starts moving the metal detector over the dirt again. The detector makes heavy metal beat in changing frequency.}'' Uh...uh... ''{metal detector plays guitar solo}'' Whoa! ''{Strong Bad drops to the ground}'' Check out this futuristic sheet of paper!

''{Close up of Strong Bad unfolding a sheet of metal foil with a picture of a smiling alien head with arms and legs and the caption "BABBY ALIEN"}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh. My. Geez. I knew it! Strong Badia was originally colonized by extra-terrestrials! ''{cut to close up of Strong Bad}'' That explains why I'm so brilliant! And why all beings look the same except for slight differences in our foreheads!

''{Cut back to wide shot}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' No, that's just a piece of tin foil with a picture Strong Mad drew of you when you were little. ''{close up of Strong Sad}'' There's even a petrified chicken nugget in there that he left you. ''{As he talks, shot of Strong Bad pulling said nugget out of a fold in the foil's edge}''

''{Cut back to wide shot}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{dropping nugget}'' Quit ruining my ruins, Jarassic Dork! This clearly says "Babby Alien". ''{close up}'' Which is probably the name of my true mother, who left me here as a young larva hundreds of years ago, until someone, I'm guessing an elderly oatmeal enthusiast, unwittingly disturbed my cocoon. ''{As he talks, the scene is described in a thought bubble by Strong Mad-style drawings}'' Oh, Babs! Why did you leave me stranded here?

''{Cut to shot of Bubs standing to the side}''

'''BUBS:''' Oh, sorry about that, Strong Bad. Was I supposed to come earlier?

''{Cut to wide shot of Bubs and Strong Bad}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' What? No, I said "Babs". ''"Babs".''

'''BUBS:''' Bubs, Babs, whatever. I take what I can get.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Whahn?

''{Close up of Bubs}''

'''BUBS:''' Anyways, I'm here for my weekly, ''Ahem'', "delivery". ''{indicates barrels of inTOXICatingly good WASTE beside him}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yeah, yeah, just bury it wherever. ''{cut to close up}'' But if you uncover any ruins, or hot aliens, or riches, they're mine, OK?

''{Cut to wide shot of Bubs and Strong Bad}''

'''BUBS:''' Uh, what about fellas named Rich?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Wha-what? No, I don't know anyone named Rich.

''{Close up of Bubs}''

'''BUBS:''' OK, good. ''{extreme close-up, with intensity}'' And he can stay where he is!

''{Wide shot}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Uh, is there anyway I can unhear the last few sentences? ''{close up}'' Or years of my life?

''{Cut back to the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' So, no, Pascual Perez, there are no ancient ruins under Strong Badia. Or, at least, not one foot under Strong Badia. Digging is hard, man! Did you ever try to dig a hole? It's not all wipes and montages like in the movies. It takes forever! But who knows what wonders lie, say, one-and-a-half feet beneath Strong Badia? Or, dare I say it, a few feet beneath Strong Badia. Why it staggers the bad imagination.

''{An illustration of what might be a few feet under Strong Badia moves onscreen. After a moment, the [[New Paper]] comes down}''

==Easter Eggs==
[[Image:Not-The-Police Card.png|thumb|"Your Friendly Neighborhood Not-The-Police"]]
*Click on the text "rent out the dirt" after Strong Bad types it to see Strong Bad's business card.
*At the end, click on the box of peas in the "impenetrable diaper crust" to hear The King of Town describe how he'd like to eat the various layers of the Earth:
:'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' Ooh, that thing looks delicious! I'll take two slices of that, a piece of the igneous pie, and a molten core tart. 
:'''LADY:''' Oh, that looks sinful!
:'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' Shut up, lady!
*Also at the end, click on "coldonesdry" to see a promo for Cold Ones Dry:
:''{A Cold Ones Dry bottle cap slowly moves across a purple background}''
:'''ANNOUNCER''': Cold Ones Dry, the official beverage of Taranchula.
:''{A picture of Schenkel McDoo appears with a word balloon reading what he's about to say}''
:'''SCHENKEL MCDOO''': Yah guys, Yold Ones Vry!
:'''ANNOUNCER''': That's right Sven, learn to speak American.

==Fun Facts==

===Remarks===
*Strong Bad believes that his parents are aliens in this email, but he showed us a picture of his parents (even if it was hidden by [[Le Restige]]) in [[the chair]].

===Goofs===
*After Strong Bad clears the screen following the business card Easter egg, the egg is still available for a few seconds by clicking the empty space.

===Inside References===
*Strong Bad references [[pants]] at the beginning.
*The metal detector is made by [[Videlectrix]] Kidx.
*The bottle cap is from a bottle of [[Cold One|Cold Ones]] Dry.
*Buried underground in one of the bottom layers is what appears to be [[Homeschool Winner]]'s skull, a reference to his [[death]] from [[Sample of Style]].
*The lady who says "That looks sinful" in the Easter egg previously appeared in the email [[bottom 10]], describing a "Chocolardiac Arrest".
*The King of Town says "[[Shut Up, Lady|Shut up, lady!]]" in the Easter egg.
*The crate of [[peas]] in the top layer was where Strong Bad hoped the King of Town would be trapped in the email [[different town]].
*Bubs seems to be hiding the [[death]] of some fellow named Rich, whose coffin can be seen at the end of the email.
*Strong Bad believes his [[parents]] are aliens.
*The [[Generic Announcers|announcer]] for Cold Ones Dry was previously heard during the [[business trip]] and [[nightlife]] Easter eggs.
*Rejected character [[Rejected Character#Homeschool Winner|Homeschool Winner]]'s skull can be found in the drawing at the end.

===Real-World References===
*Strong Bad's line about beings with different foreheads refers to the Klingons (and other such alternate species) of ''[[Wikipedia:Star Trek|Star Trek]]''. More specifically, it refers to the plot of the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode 'The Chase', in which the Enterprise crew discover a message from an ancient race who claim to have seeded the galaxy with other races that look like them, including humans and Klingons.
*"Jurassic Dork" refers to ''[[Wikipedia:Jurassic Park|Jurassic Park]]'', a novel by Michael Crichton which later became a [[Wikipedia:Jurassic Park franchise|movie series]].
*[[Wikipedia:Pascual Pérez (baseball)|Pascual Pérez]] was a major league pitcher.
*Sleestaks are ancient reptilian creatures from ''[[Wikipedia:Land of the Lost|The Land of the Lost]]'', which [[The Poopsmith]] has dressed up as in [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]] and [[TrogdorCon '97]].
*The cocoon uncovered by an old oatmeal enthusiast is a reference to Wilford Brimley in [[Wikipedia:Cocoon (film)|Cocoon]]. [[Wikipedia:Wilford Brimley|Wilford Brimley]] was also known for his Quaker Oatmeal commercials.
*[[Wikipedia:Black metal|Black metal]] is a style of heavy metal music.
* "Learn To Speak American" is a reference to the character Bandit Keith in Yu-Gi-Oh: The Abridged Series.
*When Strong Bad says "an elderly oatmeal enthusiast" that is a reference to the 2007 Simpsons Movie where Grandpa Simpson is seen reading Oatmeal Enthusiast magazine

==External Links==
{{sbemailextlinks|191|13681}}

{{Strong Bad Email}}

Talk:Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 15.2

JamesDean — Mon, 03 Mar 2008 15:22:08 GMT

JamesDean: /* 404'd */

== 404'd ==

I still don't think it's notable that for a couple of minutes the page was 404'd even though the update was up... this happens a lot, like nearly every week. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 10:36, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
:The page still isn't up. Just the Flash file. I know I don't edit here much anymore, but that seems notable to me. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 10:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
::It's, uh...still doin' the 404'd thing. Maybe they were just both really tired and fell asleep having forgotten to make the link work? This has definitely been more than an hour, and I dunno about what's happened in the past, but...this might be worth a looksee. -- [[User:Onamuji|Onamuji]] 13:26, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

:::Yeah, it's about 2pm now, and I'm STILL getting the 404'd message. I cleared my cache, too. Help? --{{User:NevaDie/sig}} 21:19, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

::''The Main Page, toons links and the cartoon itself were added some time before the page was made, so users were met with a "404'd" message for the first few hours after the update.'' This sentence is bad. It sounds like the main page was added before the page was made. Uh yeah its been up for years. -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]]

== Questionable Surgeon ==

His voice matches the announcer's voice from [[business trip]] and [[nightlife]], doesn't it? He ''does'' go, "Mmmmmm" and "Yes, that's right" in the same fashion. Would that go under remarks or inside references? --[[User:66.82.9.58|66.82.9.58]] 13:46, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

:Am I the only user who's taking notice of this bit of information? It's under the discussion page because other users might disagree with that fact when they see it in the article and immediately remove it. --[[User:Charlie Jr.|Charlie Jr.]] 20:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

::Yeah, I'd say it's worth a mention in inside references, as long as you give each one a second listen and make sure it's exactly the same. [[User:LikeAsItself|LikeAsItself]] 21:04, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

== Surgery. ==

Is this a new running gag? I could have sworn I heard something long ago about Marzipan having sugery done...[[unsigned|67.161.122.193|14:40, 25 February 2008]]
:Other instances I found include [[looking old|Strong Bad's lace-lift]] and [[Date Nite|The Cheat getting declawed]], but nothing about Marzipan's surgery. It fits that rule about 3 appearances, but I don't know if these are unusual enough appearances for an article. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 23:10, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
This is #2 in a row involving noses, however. If next week involves a proboscis as a joke, there's a new weird pattern going.--[[User:64.193.79.137|64.193.79.137]] 23:15, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

==Surgery Photo==

When I first played it, the photo didn't pop up. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 17:39, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
:What photo? Me neither. Is there a photo?
::Worked for me, my prediction is that we will see different version of Marzi surgeries in the sketchbook section later. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:58, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

== accent ==

Listen to Bub's voice... LiStEn To iT! You can here this in Happy Dethemberween too!! Was that here before?!?!
:What are you talking about? Do you hear something different from normal? Why don't you describe it so we know what you are talking about? Maybe someone can answer you when we know what the questoon is. P.S. I LiStEnEd To iT! and Happy Dethemberween too!! and I don't know what to listen for because you aren't saying what you're talking about.
::Same Here, and plus, Coach Z's voice was a little different than normal this time. --[[User:76.204.90.137|76.204.90.137]] 23:11, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
:::well, he is making a sad attempt at talking like a gangsta, so that doesn't count. as for bubs, i dunno, maybe his voice is a little higher than it used to be, but i wouldn't bet money on it --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman (Neumannz)]] 03:27, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

== Unpluged Microphone ==
Hey, it's that guy named Ben from the Fanstuff Wiki. I think Coach Z's unpluged microphone is a refrence to unpluged phones. Yeah. And I bet the phone he was using was unpluged as well.

== Bubs's arms ==

Bubs's arms seem to be back to their old two different Flash pieces being animated separately. Is this notable? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 23:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
:eh, stick it under "remarks" and we'll see how quickly it gets deleted --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman (Neumannz)]] 03:30, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

== Cheatanese ==

Is it unusual that Strong Bad had to translate The Cheat's prank call, when Marzipan's never had any trouble understanding The Cheat before (especially in [[Date Nite]]). In fact, this is really the first time anyone had to translate for the Cheat, isn't it? Other than [[cheat talk]], everyone usually seems to have no problem understanding him.--{{User:Johnny Jupiter/sig}} 00:05, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
: It COULD be the case that Strong Bad is the one on the phone and The Cheat is standing next to him telling him what to say... and then he grabs the phone away to gnaw on it... or he's gnawing on the phone itself rather than the receiver or something. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:36, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
It COULD be just some thing they did to be funny.
: Also remember that while marzipan can understand the cheat we can't.--[[User:Nogain|Nogain]] 12:28, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
::No, I agree with Johnny, the same thought struck me as well. --[[Image:qod_22_-_reynold.PNG|20px]] [[User:Lelila|lelila]] [[User_talk:Lelila|(talk)]] 07:06, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Nogain raises a good point, though. I'm certain it was done for the benefit of the viewer, because otherwise it would just be a bunch of squeaking on the phone. Not a very interesting message. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 07:37, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Yeah, I kinda figured that's why they did it. But in this case, since it involves dialog between characters, shouldn't look beoynd what was done for our benifit and anylize what it actually means to the characters. I guess it would better noted in [[Inconsistencies within the Homestar Runner universe|Inconsistencies]].--{{User:Johnny Jupiter/sig}} 08:14, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

== Ad-VER-tiss-ment? ==

It's probably not typical of the Chaps to make reference to Internet memes in H*R cartoons, but the Questionable Surgeon's pronunciation of "Ad-VER-tiss-ment" is oddly reminiscent of how the announcer says it in this YouTube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-3qncy5Qfk (key line: "We interrupt this adVERtisment to BLOW YOUR MIND!") --[[User:96.225.193.131|96.225.193.131]] 00:38, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

It's actually fairly common that they do, even if the references are deleted by wiki users who refuse to acknowledge them...but isn't pronunciation of a common word pretty TTATO?--[[User:64.193.79.137|64.193.79.137]] 00:48, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

:Right. "Ad-VER-tis-ment", as dumb as it sounds, is actually a legit pronunciation of the word[http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=advertisement]. So no reference. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

::Technically, and the only reason I bring this up is because it's a common mistake that I and a lot of people have made, it's NOT [[TTATOT]], because there is no "that" or "other thing" that it might be referencing. It's just not a reference, like Matt said. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 02:46, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

:"Ad-VER-tis-ment" is the ''common'' pronunciation of the word here... I had to look it up in a dictionary and ask an American friend about it before I knew whether TBC actually pronouncing it differently than usual, or were just being random with the "I pronounced it" bit... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 08:42, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

::I think the idea here is that in the U.S., the pronunciation "ad-VER-tis-ment" is considered rather snooty when compared to the more common "AD-ver-tize-ment." It's rarely heard here, and when it is, it's often used by people catering to the upper class with their wares, so, um...I'm getting off-topic. Anyway, yes, it ''is'' the most common pronunciation in basically every English-speaking country in the world except the U.S., but, um...when has that ever stopped us from making a long-standing joke about other cultures? It's so common in American comedy routines and what-have-you that it's the very definition of TTATOT. -- [[User:Onamuji|Onamuji]] 15:19, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

== Coach Z unplugged ==

Is this too awkward to somehow combine or associate this instance into Coach Z's unplugged phone history? (There's already a page dedicated to Coach Z using unplugged telephones.)
:I'd be inclined to say this is unrelated. For now. Phone unconected = loser; mike unconnnected = lecher. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:07, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
::i don't even get that --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman (Neumannz)]] 03:32, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

:::I think it should be a reference. He DOES use a lot of unplugged things, so it fits with the gag. And I agree with Neumannz; that didn't make sense. :P --{{User:NevaDie/sig}} 13:47, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:He's saying that a person speaking into a dead telephone hoping for communication is a sad loser, whereas inviting a younger girl over to the house to see electronics that are fake is more of a creepy old man thing over a lonely old man thing.--[[User:64.193.79.137|64.193.79.137]] 23:10, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

== Hmm?! ==

Does anyone else think the KOT's "hmm" in his message sounded freakishly like a-da Cheeat? I was looking at the hrwiki page while the message played, and was suddenly struck by the thought, "What's the Cheat doing in that message?!" Though, um...I don't really know how or where this would be notable, unless I was widely agreed with...um...yeah. -- [[User:Onamuji|Onamuji]] 15:29, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
:umm... no. Not at all. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:56, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

== We have disputes over Coach Z's words waay too much. ==

Didn't want to get into an edit war by changing the transcript without a post, so here goes: I'm definitely hearing "micarophone," not "microdaphone." Does anyone else agree? If not, I won't change it, but I'm pretty dang certain. Like...83%. -- [[User:Onamuji|Onamuji]] 15:36, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

== Lord Quackingstick ==

I know this is just nitpicking and it honestly doesn't matter, but can we really say that it's Lord Quackingstick in a blonde wig? No one calls it Lord, but Bubs does call it Lady. I vote Lady Quackingstick is a new pseudocharacter.--{{User:Johnny Jupiter/sig}} 08:07, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
:As you know, we don't really "vote" here (except in a desperate situation) - we build consensus. I think the fact that Strong Bad voices it, it is exactly the same except the wig, and it's simply really funny that way (Marzipan is "so" the only girl they have to dress up a male as a girl for Bubs to have a movie date), all point to this being the old Lord with a wig on. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:58, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
::I agree. To use words Qermaq recently said to me, "the intention is blatant". -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 10:08, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

== Big red Round thing? ==

I dunno if it's worth mentioning or not, but there is a big red round thing sitting next to lady quaking stick in the theater easter egg.

and you can see it better if you view the flash file too

those wacky guys,....balloons don't watch movies, they listen to books on tape!
:That's Strong Bad providing the voice and movements for "Lady" Quackingstick. [[User:Manolios|Manolios]] 14:46, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

== Word of mouth or, word, I'm out? ==

I thought it would make more sense if he said, "Word, I'm out!" than, "Word of mouth" Just a thought.

Talk:licensed

JamesDean — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:52:13 GMT

JamesDean: /* Ugly Bird */

== What's new link ==
Dunno what i cans do about it, but the link to the sbemail is broked. It links to sbemail.190.html (that is, there's an extra dot). Someone with the privilege needs to fix this right quick. [[User:Telamon|-Telamon]] 06:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
:Nvm. Fixed. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 07:02, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
== Blackhead-Flaced Janice ==
Should it be pointed out that Blackhead-Flaced Janice is a joke on the misspelling of Pilmple-faced Bill? Is it possible to over-"over-analyze"?
:Give the [[HRWiki:Standards]] a read. I'd say this qualifies as both obvious and explaining the joke. So... no. [[User:64.198.255.1|64.198.255.1]] 20:21, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

== Homestar's Song ==

although it's similar, the song homestar's singing isn't the one from [[anything]] and [[the paper]]. that one comes from "never-ending story", but this one is different. i don't know where it's from, but i'm still deleting that inside reference. --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 07:03, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
:I'm considering the "Sail Away, Sail Away, Sail Away" part of [[Wikipedia:Orinoco Flow|Orinoco Flow]] by [[Wikipedia:Enya|Enya]]? -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 08:48, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
::i can see what you're coming from, but he says the line 4 times instead of three, so i'm guessing it's something else. --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 08:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
::It reminds me more of the Hot Hot Heat song [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdk8J1OOiJA Bandages], but again he says it four times instead of three. [[User:Stev0|Stev0]] 15:47, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Sounds a lot like [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GBn-BpkNsA "Walking on Broken Glass"] by Annie Lennox [[User:Havl|Havl]] 20:57, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
:It sounds to me like the Flintstone kids theme. "Yabba dab yabba dab yabba dabba do" [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scpjpz3ReMI FSK]
::Well, apparently, if everyone thinks it's something different, it has to be TTATOT.--{{User:Johnny Jupiter/sig}} 21:16, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
:::I agree with the Flintstones Kids theme. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 22:37, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

=="Human noses?"==

Does Strong Bad imply that he is not human? Has this ever happened before?
:I was wondering about that myself. I know it was in a quick joke, and may not hold a lot of weight, but I think something like whether or not you're human isn't something that you casually contradict in a joke with out paying attention. You wouldn't say "It looks just like me except with a human nose" even as a joke, unless it was already given that you weren't human, or at least weren't considered human.--{{User:Johnny Jupiter/sig}} 08:36, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
::well, no matter how you look at it, he ''doesn't'' have a human nose, just like how homestar and the like don't have arms or pants, and those are mentioned all the time, too. i don't think it has much bearing on ''what'' anybody is. --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 08:54, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Except he said "human nose". It would have been just like Homestar's arms if he just said "nose". The humor in that, just like the humor in [[fingers]] is adding something to him that he should have but obviously doesn't. It's the same way with the word human. The humor in adding a human nose to him is that he has no nose and he's not human.--{{User:Johnny Jupiter/sig}} 09:00, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Naw, i agree with Neumannz, it's not notable beyond his lack of a visible one, whether he said human or not. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 09:02, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::I think that "human" here was intended to mean "realistic". These are not cartoon noses, or animal noses. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 09:08, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
::::::I'm with E.L. Cool on this one. I definitely think he meant shaped noses, with nostrils and a bridge and all that good stuff, as opposed to a simple little ball nose, like the one Stro Bro has on the side of the Puddin' Patch. -- [[User:Onamuji|Onamuji]] 12:57, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
I think this joke has been referenced in [[alternate universe]] before. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 15:37, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

== A mousy description? / Coach Z can't talk. ==

First, I'm not sure about that description of the Cheat's mural picture. His pudginess and distinctive, if unlabelled, jar of Hunny seem to suggest Winnie the Pooh to me. (The antennae, obviously, are out of place.)

Second, does Coach Z say "You're toys" or "You're twice"? I definitely heard the latter, which I can imagine him saying because he's weird, but the former makes sense too. Any thoughts? -- [[User:Onamuji|Onamuji]] 12:54, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
:yeah, i hear "twice" ---[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 16:06, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

== Shut up, lady! ==

Have this voice and Strong Bad's response appeared enough times now for us to consider it a running gag? I know it occurred in [[bottom 10]], and I think one other...though I wouldn't swear to it. -- [[User:Onamuji|Onamuji]] 12:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
:as noted in inside references, the second one was [[your funeral]]. i don't know enough about the rules of running gags to say whether this should be considered one. --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 16:12, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

The "Jungle Animals in Non-Jungle Situations" thing reminds me heavily of the Cartoon Network show "My Gym Partner is a Monkey." Anyone else?

: I think "Shut up, Lady" should be considered a running gag. Three instances have warranted others to be added if my memory serves my correctly. The fact we've seen it in 3 toons set far apart from each other tells me that TBC find it funny and would add it into future toons. [[User:Stribbs|Stribbs]] 17:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
::Ummm, it is. It's [[Shut Up, Lady|here]]. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 17:39, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
:::Oh... so it is. Uh, well... I'll... sports team. [[User:Stribbs|Stribbs]] 17:43, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

== Bubs' Merchandise ==
<s>Doesn't</s> Isn't Bubs selling a Strong Bad beanie cap? Should that go into teh "fun facts" section? —[[User:SpazZataKc|SpazZataKc]]

== Gunkistan? ==

Why got the Facts about Gunkistan being a portmanteau and a inside reference to Gunk Iller deleted?

:It may be because they're wrong...The portmanteau is less obviously incorrect, but technically -stan and is a suffix, a word in some language (Arabic) meaning "land," which is why it's used at the end of so many countries (Afghanistan = Land of the Afghanis, Kazakhstan = Land of the Kazakhs, etc.). This would make it not a portmanteau. As for the other one, being a reference to the Gunk Iller, I see no reason why this was up there in the first place. Gunk is a very common term for any gross, ambiguous substance.

::I disagree with you on the portmanteau subject. if you look at the [[Portmanteaus]] page you'll notice "Millionzoic", "Tenthennial" and "Geographist", all words with a general suffix. Gunkistan should be there too. Maybe I was a little off by saying that it's in particular park Pakistan, but that's the only country that have the letter K to form -kistan (Gun-Kistan). I'm not readding it still so it won't start to be and edit war, but I think it should be discussed. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 21:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

== Old Lady ==

Now that the Old Lady made a third appearance, should we revive her page? {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 16:34, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

== Two things ==
1.) Are we sure Homestar is singing "broken glass?" because I heard "working class". 2.) Will the shady daycare be haunting anybody else's nightmares or just mine?

:"Working Class" makes no sense. The pinatas were filled with broken glass as evidenced by the multiple lacerations and shards on Homestar's face. Since Strong Bad asked Homestar to reveal what was contained there-in. In true Homestar way he sung it. [[User:Stribbs|Stribbs]] 17:37, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
:1) definitely broken glass, 2) just yours --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 17:51, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

:"Working Class" makes so much more sense that its more than a little surprising that someone would post it. The fact that they did it anonymously makes me wonder if it was another trollish post designed to incite an argument. Its a wonder that someone didn't call this person names. -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]]

== Bubs arms. ==

Has anyone noticed that Bubs arms are animated the same way they were in Nightlife and how Coach Z's were in Trogday 08?--{{User:Kirbychu HR'D/sig}} 20:13, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
:Yes. It's a new style design. Individually drawn per frame. It seems to be the way things are done from now on. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:15, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

== Toucan Sam, Zazu, and Cinderella ==

<blockquote>The cover of "Jungle Animals in Decidedly Non-Jungle Situations" has a variation of The Cheat similar to The Lion King (The Cheat resembles Zazu) and Toucan Sam, mascot of Froot Loops. The other is Cinderella.</blockquote> This is in desperate need of rewording, but first we need to decide what we're doing with it. It can't be Zazu and Toucan Sam. Isn't that TTATOT? I don't really think it's either. It's just a toucan. A random jungle animal. Also, are we sure the other DVD is a play on Cinderella? It seems likely, but not certain. But if so, it needs to be worded better.--{{User:Johnny Jupiter/sig}} 21:01, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

:Or is it just generally agreed that it's pointless to mention any of that crap? I'm for that, too.--{{User:Johnny Jupiter/sig}} 21:11, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
::I think the refernce to Zazu can go, but Toucan Sam should stay. The Cheat looks nothing like Zazu, beyond the blue color and big beak, nor does he look much like a real toucan, but the striped beak gives him a strinking resemlance to Toucan Sam. {{User:Exhibit A/sig}} 21:15, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

== Bioshock Reference? ==

Does the singing child at the daycare remind anyone else of the 2nd little sister sighting in Bioshock? The little sister is heard singing a song to the same tune, in a very creepy way. The fact that they're both singing the same tune, both children and the fact that it is very creepy in both cases suggests a reference, no?

:Senor Cardgage is not a child. And it's a common kid's tune. And Senor is always creepy, so it might not be a reference. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:31, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

==Toys R Us==

I think I saw a Toys R Us reference. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 22:16, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
:We,, you may or may not be correct about that. It would depend on what you saw, which I have no idea what it was.... {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:32, 19 February 2008 (UTC)

== Ugly Bird ==

Anyone else think that Homestar calling the swollen, floating The Cheat an "Ugly Bird" is a reference to... um... the one other email (I forget which one) where Homestar called a swollen, floating The Cheat an "Ugly Bird?"
: Someone else sure does, thats why they mentioned it in the article: ''The Easter egg where Homestar sees The Cheat float by and thinks he's an ugly bird is a reference to helium. '' -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]]

Talk:licensed

JamesDean — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 22:50:37 GMT

JamesDean: /* Two things */

Talk:licensed

JamesDean — Tue, 19 Feb 2008 17:16:33 GMT

JamesDean: /* Two things */

Talk:fan club

JamesDean — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:22:58 GMT

JamesDean: /* Homsar */

==Self-referential?==
The talk about SBEmail fan fiction, should we include a link to [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org Fanstuff] in this article? And who do we crown the president of [[The Deleteheads]]? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 14:53, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

== Van Mundegaard ==

Okay, I can't remember how to spell it or when he was last referred to, so I don't know where to link, but it looks to me as though the Deleteheads membership card is signed by Van Mundegaard. And why do I get this weird feeling of Strong Bad insulting me for asking such a question after today's email? :p --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:42, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
: Ah, [[2 years|found it]]. It's "Mundegaard'''e'''". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

==12-times man==
Should 12-times man have his own article? The Thnikkaman has one. {{User:Don't say jorb 101/sig}}
:If he makes a second appearance, maybe. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 19:05, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Do you think 12-times man is a hybrid of "I can do it 9 times" and "I'll take it. I'll take 12!"? It's just the kind of reference mixing fans tend to do. [[User:76.167.90.250|76.167.90.250]] 00:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
:1. 12-times Man is a variation of Strong Sad, if he reappears (ala The Thnikkaman) he could merit a page. I doubt the "I'll take 12" line is involved here, though. Though I could be wrong. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:38, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
::but why the #12? [[User:76.167.90.250|76.167.90.250]] 06:57, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Twelve is an amusing number, apparently. I frequently use the phrase "The number 12?" as an inside joke (often preceeded by "A Volkswagon? A mailbox?"). --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 06:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

== Gron Sad's eyes ==

when strong sad is presiding over his meeting, his eyes seem farther apart than usual. does anyone else see that?
--[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 18:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

yeah. --Alex H.

== Coupla things ==

First, and this is very annoying, but I can't see Homsar. I see Senor Cardgage talking to a gym bag or something. Is Homsar an Easter Egg?

Also, in Real-Life references, I'm pretty sure "Deleteheads" is a reference to Rush Limbaugh's "Dittoheads."

Finally, this was a great sbemail! One of my favorites in a while. - l'anglais

Actually, I thought "Deleteheads" was a play on the word "Deleted", especially the way SB says it.--[[User:Bobsmith84|Bobsmith84]] 19:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

When I saw it I thought of The Grateful Dead's Deadheads[[User:Hooray4Trogdor95|Hooray4Trogdor95]] 20:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, just watched again, now I get Homsar and no Senor Cardgage. They appear to alternate when I watch them. Kind of weird ...

For what it's worth: the notebook in front of Strong Sad reads:
Meeting

1) Pledge
2) Hosting
3) Fhqwhfest
4) Blinkg (or perhaps Blinky) Fun
- l'anglais

The "heads" is not a reference to any one particular fan club, many members go by these same types. Jimmy Buffet has his Parrotheads and several country music artists have their own weirdly named fans. Is this the first time there is a random scene?--[[User:SDSpivey|SDSpivey]] 17:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
:So should it be a real world reference that it references the whole of heads names?'''[[user:Hooray4Trogdor95|Hooray4Trogdor]]''' 22:04, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
*No. The original Senor Cardgage email had him saying different random things to Strong Mad. It seems that there were some others, but I don't remember and am too lazy to go looking right now.
: What have you all done to this section?? -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]] 22:48, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

== Gardenias? ==

Cardgage (man, so cool!) says something pronounced care-a-GEEN-an. {{User:Einstein runner/sig}} 23:13, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
:Where's this? [[Wikipedia:Carrageenan|Carrageenan]] is a food additive derived from seaweed. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
::Oh, I see. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:44, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

== angelcities ==

It should be noted that angelcities.com is a real host (zero-catch.)

[[fan_club#Real-World_References|Already noted.]]
--[[User:Bobsmith84|Bobsmith84]] 16:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

== Abdi LaRue ==

Should we give her her own article? Post-robot apperances include [[flashback]], [[pom pom]], and [[fan club]]. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 04:02, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
: *ahem* [[Wikipedia:Abdi]]{{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:09, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
::Oh wow, I didn't notice that Abdi LaRue is actually mentioned there. Just wanted to point out that he's a guy ;-){{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:10, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, [[flashback#Commentary_Transcript|TBC themselves]] don't know if Abdi a he or a she, but looks like it's short for Abdul, or a Biblical nme. Anyways, about the page - I think its should be created. Some references in other emails and being treated as someone who live in the Homestar Universe (can attend to a con hosted by characters along with Lem and Chimendez). Is anyone '''bold''' enough to make this page? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 12:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

== a ghostly intro song? ==

when i heard it (even the first line, before the ghost mention) i remember thinking "this tune sounds like something out of [[Wikipedia:Haunted Mansion|The Haunted Mansion]]" but i couldn't place exactly where (G-d it's been a long time...), and then when i heard "a pleasant ghost" it sort of confirmed it for me. Is there anyone who can confirm this? (I could be mistaken and it might be something from some ghost movie or something, just it reminded me of ghosts.) {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:27, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
:hmm, doing some further reading, perhaps [[Wikipedia:Grim Grinning Ghosts|Grim Grinning Ghosts]]? I could see "green green grass" being similar enough, but i can't remember the tune, and the sound byte on 'kipedia is too short to be helpful in that regard. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:31, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

==Homsar==

What happened to Homsar? [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 05:39, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
:What do you mean? He's the same random character he always was. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 05:43, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
:Never mind, I didn't realize at first that the Easter egg randomly switched between Homsar and Cardgage. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 03:27, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
::FWIW I've watched the video 6 times, 5 were Homsar -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 17:22, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

== Moronosphere ==

I dispute this funfact: ""Moronosphere" is a [[portmanteau]] of "moron" and [[Wikipedia:Ionosphere|Ionosphere]]." To begin with, it might just as well be Stratosphere, Blogosphere, etc. Also, It's a normal combination of two words after the pattern I've just shown. That's not a portmanteau how we understand it here at the wiki.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:58, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
:so you're saying it's "moron" with the suffix "osphere" at the end? makes sense to me. P.S. the IRC community misses you. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:00, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
::Yep. I miss you guys, too. But I don't have the time right now!{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:07, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Doesn't Moronosphere compare, then, to Geographist (described as a combination of "Geographer and -ist (possibly geologist)"). I'd call Moronosphere a portmanteau. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 01:25, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Yeah, just use the same form as Geographist in the entry, then. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 02:03, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

== Kingy of town ==

there should a metiontion on the king town page about the fact that king of town alway drawn fatter then he is
:he's always drawn fatter than he is? huh? that's like saying that someone is old for their age. He's drawn the way he's drawn. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:53, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
::hE HAS ROLLS IN HIS BODY IN THE PICTURS THAT MEANS FATTER
:::what pictures? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:00, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
::::This email and Trading cards at lest
First, can we work on the spelling? This isn't a chatroom, we're discussing stuff here and poorly spelled messages don't communicate well. Second, I'm not at all sure what anonny is on about. Take some time to really clearly express what it is you're trying to say, OK? There's no rush. And if it's regarding [[The King Of Town]], you should post it on that article's talk page, not here. Thanks! {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:44, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

== bRAKING THE RULESSSSSS ==

Umm dose telling us Homsars's parents braking the rules showing no parrents even though they are a cup of coffe and a chipwich
:We're not going to get an email answered by asking about Strong Bad's parents, but TBC are free to do whatever they like, including this. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

== Huh? ==

Something happened to the article. Is it just me?
EDIT: Never mind, fixed itself apparently. :/
:The article was vandalized. It's now been reverted to its original state. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 03:52, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

== Geddup Noise ==

Article claims Geddup Noise is heard, it's clearly a Chairscoot. SS even says as much. - [[User:Quolnok|Quolnok]] 05:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
:It means the same thing. They sound exactly alike. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 06:10, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

==The Cheat?==
In one scene, The Cheat is sitting at the table participating in the fan club meeting. Very shortly afterward, he is seen helping Strong Bad carry his sub sandwich. Did The Cheat quickly leave off-screen, or is this an example of [[duplicate characters]]? --[[User:68.97.248.84|68.97.248.84]] 06:31, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
:Seems reasonable to be duplicate characters -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 17:21, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

==Monteljohn==
Could this be a reference to [[wikipedia: Ricardo Montalban|Ricardo Montalban]], the actor famous for his roles in Fantasy Island, Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan, and Freakazoid?
:Nah, it's [[TTATOT]]. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 23:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
::No it isn't. Is it that hard to come up with a *real* argument against something instead of lazily throwing around a <nowiki>[[TTATOT]]</nowiki> whenever someone asks if something might be a reference? -{{User:YK/sig}} 00:25, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
:::I agree. If you can cite me anything else that remotely sounds like Monteljohn, then I'll concede it's probably a TTATOT. Otherwise, I think you need to seriously consider my question and give a reasoned (i.e., not lazy) answer.

Talk:fan club

JamesDean — Sat, 02 Feb 2008 17:21:38 GMT

JamesDean: /* The Cheat? */

==Self-referential?==
The talk about SBEmail fan fiction, should we include a link to [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org Fanstuff] in this article? And who do we crown the president of [[The Deleteheads]]? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 14:53, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

== Van Mundegaard ==

Okay, I can't remember how to spell it or when he was last referred to, so I don't know where to link, but it looks to me as though the Deleteheads membership card is signed by Van Mundegaard. And why do I get this weird feeling of Strong Bad insulting me for asking such a question after today's email? :p --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:42, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
: Ah, [[2 years|found it]]. It's "Mundegaard'''e'''". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:43, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

==12-times man==
Should 12-times man have his own article? The Thnikkaman has one. {{User:Don't say jorb 101/sig}}
:If he makes a second appearance, maybe. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 19:05, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
Do you think 12-times man is a hybrid of "I can do it 9 times" and "I'll take it. I'll take 12!"? It's just the kind of reference mixing fans tend to do. [[User:76.167.90.250|76.167.90.250]] 00:35, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
:1. 12-times Man is a variation of Strong Sad, if he reappears (ala The Thnikkaman) he could merit a page. I doubt the "I'll take 12" line is involved here, though. Though I could be wrong. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:38, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
::but why the #12? [[User:76.167.90.250|76.167.90.250]] 06:57, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Twelve is an amusing number, apparently. I frequently use the phrase "The number 12?" as an inside joke (often preceeded by "A Volkswagon? A mailbox?"). --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 06:59, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

== Gron Sad's eyes ==

when strong sad is presiding over his meeting, his eyes seem farther apart than usual. does anyone else see that?
--[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 18:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

yeah. --Alex H.

== Coupla things ==

First, and this is very annoying, but I can't see Homsar. I see Senor Cardgage talking to a gym bag or something. Is Homsar an Easter Egg?

Also, in Real-Life references, I'm pretty sure "Deleteheads" is a reference to Rush Limbaugh's "Dittoheads."

Finally, this was a great sbemail! One of my favorites in a while. - l'anglais

Actually, I thought "Deleteheads" was a play on the word "Deleted", especially the way SB says it.--[[User:Bobsmith84|Bobsmith84]] 19:49, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

When I saw it I thought of The Grateful Dead's Deadheads[[User:Hooray4Trogdor95|Hooray4Trogdor95]] 20:58, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, just watched again, now I get Homsar and no Senor Cardgage. They appear to alternate when I watch them. Kind of weird ...

For what it's worth: the notebook in front of Strong Sad reads:
Meeting

1) Pledge
2) Hosting
3) Fhqwhfest
4) Blinkg (or perhaps Blinky) Fun
- l'anglais

The "heads" is not a reference to any one particular fan club, many members go by these same types. Jimmy Buffet has his Parrotheads and several country music artists have their own weirdly named fans. Is this the first time there is a random scene?--[[User:SDSpivey|SDSpivey]] 17:15, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
:So should it be a real world reference that it references the whole of heads names?'''[[user:Hooray4Trogdor95|Hooray4Trogdor]]''' 22:04, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
*No. The original Senor Cardgage email had him saying different random things to Strong Mad. It seems that there were some others, but I don't remember and am too lazy to go looking right now.
: What have you all done to this section?? -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]] 22:48, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

== Gardenias? ==

Cardgage (man, so cool!) says something pronounced care-a-GEEN-an. {{User:Einstein runner/sig}} 23:13, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
:Where's this? [[Wikipedia:Carrageenan|Carrageenan]] is a food additive derived from seaweed. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
::Oh, I see. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:44, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

== angelcities ==

It should be noted that angelcities.com is a real host (zero-catch.)

[[fan_club#Real-World_References|Already noted.]]
--[[User:Bobsmith84|Bobsmith84]] 16:53, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

== Abdi LaRue ==

Should we give her her own article? Post-robot apperances include [[flashback]], [[pom pom]], and [[fan club]]. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 04:02, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
: *ahem* [[Wikipedia:Abdi]]{{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:09, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
::Oh wow, I didn't notice that Abdi LaRue is actually mentioned there. Just wanted to point out that he's a guy ;-){{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:10, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Actually, [[flashback#Commentary_Transcript|TBC themselves]] don't know if Abdi a he or a she, but looks like it's short for Abdul, or a Biblical nme. Anyways, about the page - I think its should be created. Some references in other emails and being treated as someone who live in the Homestar Universe (can attend to a con hosted by characters along with Lem and Chimendez). Is anyone '''bold''' enough to make this page? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 12:55, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

== a ghostly intro song? ==

when i heard it (even the first line, before the ghost mention) i remember thinking "this tune sounds like something out of [[Wikipedia:Haunted Mansion|The Haunted Mansion]]" but i couldn't place exactly where (G-d it's been a long time...), and then when i heard "a pleasant ghost" it sort of confirmed it for me. Is there anyone who can confirm this? (I could be mistaken and it might be something from some ghost movie or something, just it reminded me of ghosts.) {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:27, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
:hmm, doing some further reading, perhaps [[Wikipedia:Grim Grinning Ghosts|Grim Grinning Ghosts]]? I could see "green green grass" being similar enough, but i can't remember the tune, and the sound byte on 'kipedia is too short to be helpful in that regard. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:31, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

==Homsar==

What happened to Homsar? [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 05:39, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
:What do you mean? He's the same random character he always was. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 05:43, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
:Never mind, I didn't realize at first that the Easter egg randomly switched between Homsar and Cardgage. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 03:27, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

== Moronosphere ==

I dispute this funfact: ""Moronosphere" is a [[portmanteau]] of "moron" and [[Wikipedia:Ionosphere|Ionosphere]]." To begin with, it might just as well be Stratosphere, Blogosphere, etc. Also, It's a normal combination of two words after the pattern I've just shown. That's not a portmanteau how we understand it here at the wiki.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:58, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
:so you're saying it's "moron" with the suffix "osphere" at the end? makes sense to me. P.S. the IRC community misses you. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:00, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
::Yep. I miss you guys, too. But I don't have the time right now!{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:07, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
:::Doesn't Moronosphere compare, then, to Geographist (described as a combination of "Geographer and -ist (possibly geologist)"). I'd call Moronosphere a portmanteau. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 01:25, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
::::Yeah, just use the same form as Geographist in the entry, then. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 02:03, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

== Kingy of town ==

there should a metiontion on the king town page about the fact that king of town alway drawn fatter then he is
:he's always drawn fatter than he is? huh? that's like saying that someone is old for their age. He's drawn the way he's drawn. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:53, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
::hE HAS ROLLS IN HIS BODY IN THE PICTURS THAT MEANS FATTER
:::what pictures? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:00, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
::::This email and Trading cards at lest
First, can we work on the spelling? This isn't a chatroom, we're discussing stuff here and poorly spelled messages don't communicate well. Second, I'm not at all sure what anonny is on about. Take some time to really clearly express what it is you're trying to say, OK? There's no rush. And if it's regarding [[The King Of Town]], you should post it on that article's talk page, not here. Thanks! {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:44, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

== bRAKING THE RULESSSSSS ==

Umm dose telling us Homsars's parents braking the rules showing no parrents even though they are a cup of coffe and a chipwich
:We're not going to get an email answered by asking about Strong Bad's parents, but TBC are free to do whatever they like, including this. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

== Huh? ==

Something happened to the article. Is it just me?
EDIT: Never mind, fixed itself apparently. :/
:The article was vandalized. It's now been reverted to its original state. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 03:52, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

== Geddup Noise ==

Article claims Geddup Noise is heard, it's clearly a Chairscoot. SS even says as much. - [[User:Quolnok|Quolnok]] 05:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
:It means the same thing. They sound exactly alike. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 06:10, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

==The Cheat?==
In one scene, The Cheat is sitting at the table participating in the fan club meeting. Very shortly afterward, he is seen helping Strong Bad carry his sub sandwich. Did The Cheat quickly leave off-screen, or is this an example of [[duplicate characters]]? --[[User:68.97.248.84|68.97.248.84]] 06:31, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
:Seems reasonable to be duplicate characters -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 17:21, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

==Monteljohn==
Could this be a reference to [[wikipedia: Ricardo Montalban|Ricardo Montalban]], the actor famous for his roles in Fantasy Island, Star Trek: The Wrath of Khan, and Freakazoid?
:Nah, it's [[TTATOT]]. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 23:37, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
::No it isn't. Is it that hard to come up with a *real* argument against something instead of lazily throwing around a <nowiki>[[TTATOT]]</nowiki> whenever someone asks if something might be a reference? -{{User:YK/sig}} 00:25, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
:::I agree. If you can cite me anything else that remotely sounds like Monteljohn, then I'll concede it's probably a TTATOT. Otherwise, I think you need to seriously consider my question and give a reasoned (i.e., not lazy) answer.

Talk:concert

JamesDean — Thu, 23 Aug 2007 14:42:08 GMT

JamesDean: /* Textiles */

== That was fun... ==

Whee! That was my first transcript! And I gotta admit... That was fun. I gotta get to bed now, good luck finishing the page, guys. [[User:Yadaman|Yadaman]] 13:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, me doing this subtitling is cool too. One thing, tho: I am seeing the "local viewer test subtitle" screen as sbemail174 with sbemail175 subtitles. This normal? (sbemail174's OK). I should probably get to bed soon, too. [[User:ZanderSchubert|ZanderSchubert]] 14:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::No that isn't normal. In Line 5, it says sbemal174.swf instead of 175. You might want to change that. Also, if you quit working on the subtitles, please remove the <nowiki>{{inprgoress}}</nowiki>-template. You could change it to <nowiki>{{stub}}</nowiki> {{User:The Commander IN COMMAND/sig}} 14:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I just noticed that as well... Changed, removed "Inprogress" and done up until (but excluding) the easter eggs. Night, all. [[User:ZanderSchubert|ZanderSchubert]] 14:58, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

== An eerie coincidence? ==

I noticed something very interesting. In [[best thing]], the description of the alternative rock band that knocked Limozeen off the charts seems to accurately describe sloshy. Three members, glasses, short hair, no guitarist? Even though it's coincidental, does anyone think it may still deserve to be in fun facts, perhaps as a remark or something? [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 11:33, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, that does sound familiar. I say it deserves to possibly be an Inside Reference or something. Maybe a remark. Idk, I'm not good at this fun fact thing. {{User:Compgrl323/sig}} 11:41, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::I think the connection's a little tenuous. All the members of sloshy have short hair, so if Limozeen had been knocked off the charts by them, Mary would have said "And they've got short hair!" rather than "And the drummer's got short hair!" It's more likely that these are just common examples of indie/alternative fashion in contrast to 80s metal fashion. -ART
:::Limozeen didn't say that the band kicked them off didn't have a guitarist, they just didn't bother mentioning him, probably because he wasn't doing anything as unmetal as the rest of the band.

==Buy all play sets and toys!==

With the Cheat Commandos toys showing up, along with the Troop Transport, again in this short, do we do anything beyond just mentioning them here in the transcript and references? I'm sorta surprised that the individual accessories (like the Troop Transport) don't at least have images with them. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 14:48, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

==Alternative==

Could sloshy be an alternative band? [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 16:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:I was led to believe as such. [[User:76.99.103.184|76.99.103.184]] 17:10, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::I think sloshy's an emo group. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 22:50, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Gloomcore. [[User:76.200.149.76|76.200.149.76]] 22:51, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::::No, it's definitely alternative rock. Look at the facts:
::::#No costumes.
::::#Short hair.
::::#A logo that's not jaggedy or drippety at all.
::::#Songs that aren't about girls/Los Angeles/good times ect.
::::#Electric guitar solos.
::::#Strange band name.
::::#Not depressing and/or gloomy like emo or gloomcore.
::::Furthermore, I kept comparing sloshy to [[Wikipedia:They Might Be Giants|They Might Be Giants]] and [[Wikipedia:Muse|Muse]] (my favourite band) throughout the entire email. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 11:51, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::I dunno... they seemed like a mix between the Meat Puppets and The Strokes to me... [[User:Jaypolka|Jaypolka]] 03:18, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

== Email song? ==

I can't shake the feeling that the email song is a reference to some metal song. My first guess was Black Sabbath's 'Paranoid,' but that's not it. Any ideas, or am I just insane? [[User:76.99.103.184|76.99.103.184]] 17:12, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
* Howbout The Kinks (Paranoia Will Destroyya). Not metal. In short, TTATOT. [[User:76.200.149.76|76.200.149.76]] 22:52, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

The one band I couldn't help but think of when they played "don't even care" was 3rd Eye Blind (Specifically during their first self-titled album.) Just the way the tune kind of reminds me of the way the lead singer from 3EB sings for some of the songs like "hows it gonna be" --[[User:Foolster41|Foolster41]] 06:51, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

== Marble Craze ==

The music from the game Strong Bad/Sad are playing is from Marble Craze and can be heard here: http://qotile.net/audio/marble_music.mp3 --[[User:74.110.104.75|74.110.104.75]] 18:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

== Not a "special" email? ==

So I guess this email #175 is not a "special" email, in the spirits of emails 50, 100, & 150? I suppose we can all agree that "25th anniversary" emails (25 integrals ending in -25 and -75) have not been given special treatment that agknowledge their number. --[[User:Compdude|Compdude]]
:Yeah, the 25s haven't been as special (except maybe [[rock opera]]). [[super powers]] was ''kind of'' special-like, revealing superpowers, but [[funny]]... stunk out loud. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::[[funny]] was funny as f**k, man. ''You're'' outloud. Tenderly, I remain, [[User:76.200.149.76|76.200.149.76]] 22:58, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:::OK, now we're getting into [http://forum.hrwiki.org forum] territory. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 22:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::::I think that [[funny]], like [[personal favorites]], was funniest the first time I saw them. {{User:Neox/sig}}

== First Email w/ New Paper to have back button? FALSE! ==

Someone posted a revision saying this is the first email with the New Paper to have a back button. Not true. See ''[[the paper|email 173]]''. {{User:Ert plus/sig}} 04:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Tex-mex? ==

I know it was me that wrote the transcript... But the 'tex-mex' bit was mostly a guess, and now that I think about it, it didn't really sound like tex-mex... it was sorta like... tech-mesh. or tetrex.. [[User:Yadaman|Yadaman]] 04:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:Tex-Mex is what I heard.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 04:45, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:It is tex-mex. don't argue with me, i've been on the internets -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 13:38, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Bad Shirt ==

Has this been enough occasions of Strong Bad wearing a shirt to deserve its own page, or should it just be a fun fact? {{User:Itama/sig}} 04:55, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:We've got [[Strong Bad Other Costumes]]. Is that what you meant?{{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:59, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
I was kinda wondering that myself.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 05:00, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:I think that would be a good page: "Although strong bad usually goes shirtless, there has been a few occasions were he is seen wearing a shirt" And then it goes on, then we can show pictures of when he's wearing shirts.--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 05:04, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
::Oh, wait, we have [[Strong bad wearing a shirt|this]].--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 05:06, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I just now saw that too. Rats. Here I thouhght we had a good idea going.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 05:08, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Strong sad wearing a shirt?--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 05:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Possible reference ==

When Strong Bad throws that record at Strong Sad and a piece gets stuck in his head, I thought it very similar to a scene in the movie Shaun of the Dead in which a record is thrown at a zombie and a very similar thing happens. Think it's enough of a reference to make the page?
:I personally thought it was a reference to an episode of Family Guy when Stewie gets a piece of glass lodged in his forehead. Except ''he'' is the one that crashes into the sharp objects (a glass cabinet), not the other way around. [[User:Jimmy91|Jimmy91]] 10:59, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
::I agree with the Shaun of the Dead reference. I can't imagine any other reason why he'd throw a record rather than something harder at Strong Sad, like a CD case or something. It's what my mind jumped to immediately after I saw it, especially with the triangular piece lodged in Strong Sad's forehead. {{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 15:43, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
::I absolutely agree; I thought of that scene from Shaun right away.{{User:Jeadly/sig}} 16:14, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

== New Paper change ==

<nowiki>Did anybody else notice that the bottom of the envelope on the new paper was more defined? Do we think this is a graphical mistake or is the new paper slowly gaining its ink?
</nowiki>
:if anything, the paper would be gettings its ink 'flowing' earlier. unless this is another time and space defying printer, it must print the part of the paper that comes into the screen first, which is the part thats the fadedest -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 13:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== accents ==

An acute accent, as in intriguéd (which Strong Bad types on the screen in his e-mail, and is pronounced roughly like a long A sound), and a grave accent, as in pleatèd (which is a running gag on the site, and is pronounced roughly like a short E sound) are two entirely different things.
[[User:64.198.255.1|64.198.255.1]] 18:51, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Textiles ==

I aggree that the thing about calling Tex-Mex a textile needs deleted. It doesn't seem like it was a mistake. Strong Bad has a history of naming a list of 3 or 4 things, and the last one being kinda out of place, as a little joke. (The first one to come to mind is "No running, no diving, no swimming.") Also, and perhaps more importantly, he wasn't naming off textiles. Latex isn't one. We obviously need something about Tex-Mex, but the textile thing is too far fetched.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 03:49, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
:So we should not, in the process of explaining what tex-mex is, inform the viewer that it is not a cloth we can make clothes out of, which Strong Bad purports? Latex can be used in the manner of a textile - perhaps the term "textile" can be improved upon? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:04, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
::Just saying what Tex-Mex is: "The term tex-mex refers to several things, including a style of cuisine, a style of music, and a railway" suffices to explain that it's not something to wear. I guess, yeah, it wouldn't be so bad if we used a word other than textile, and if we didn't make it sound like Strong Bad made a mistake ('cause he dosen't make 'em!) But still, for the record, my vote it to get rid of that line altogether.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 04:14, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Sure he makes them, it's the beauty of the character. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:13, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
::I've never heard of a tex-mex railway or tex-mex music. Can't you just say its a cross between texan(american) and mexican styles of something. Saying that its not a textile really falls under the "explaining the joke" area

Talk:concert

JamesDean — Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:39:45 GMT

JamesDean: /* New Paper change */

== That was fun... ==

Whee! That was my first transcript! And I gotta admit... That was fun. I gotta get to bed now, good luck finishing the page, guys. [[User:Yadaman|Yadaman]] 13:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, me doing this subtitling is cool too. One thing, tho: I am seeing the "local viewer test subtitle" screen as sbemail174 with sbemail175 subtitles. This normal? (sbemail174's OK). I should probably get to bed soon, too. [[User:ZanderSchubert|ZanderSchubert]] 14:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::No that isn't normal. In Line 5, it says sbemal174.swf instead of 175. You might want to change that. Also, if you quit working on the subtitles, please remove the <nowiki>{{inprgoress}}</nowiki>-template. You could change it to <nowiki>{{stub}}</nowiki> {{User:The Commander IN COMMAND/sig}} 14:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I just noticed that as well... Changed, removed "Inprogress" and done up until (but excluding) the easter eggs. Night, all. [[User:ZanderSchubert|ZanderSchubert]] 14:58, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

== An eerie coincidence? ==

I noticed something very interesting. In [[best thing]], the description of the alternative rock band that knocked Limozeen off the charts seems to accurately describe sloshy. Three members, glasses, short hair, no guitarist? Even though it's coincidental, does anyone think it may still deserve to be in fun facts, perhaps as a remark or something? [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 11:33, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, that does sound familiar. I say it deserves to possibly be an Inside Reference or something. Maybe a remark. Idk, I'm not good at this fun fact thing. {{User:Compgrl323/sig}} 11:41, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::I think the connection's a little tenuous. All the members of sloshy have short hair, so if Limozeen had been knocked off the charts by them, Mary would have said "And they've got short hair!" rather than "And the drummer's got short hair!" It's more likely that these are just common examples of indie/alternative fashion in contrast to 80s metal fashion. -ART
:::Limozeen didn't say that the band kicked them off didn't have a guitarist, they just didn't bother mentioning him, probably because he wasn't doing anything as unmetal as the rest of the band.

==Buy all play sets and toys!==

With the Cheat Commandos toys showing up, along with the Troop Transport, again in this short, do we do anything beyond just mentioning them here in the transcript and references? I'm sorta surprised that the individual accessories (like the Troop Transport) don't at least have images with them. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 14:48, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

==Alternative==

Could sloshy be an alternative band? [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 16:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:I was led to believe as such. [[User:76.99.103.184|76.99.103.184]] 17:10, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::I think sloshy's an emo group. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 22:50, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Gloomcore. [[User:76.200.149.76|76.200.149.76]] 22:51, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::::No, it's definitely alternative rock. Look at the facts:
::::#No costumes.
::::#Short hair.
::::#A logo that's not jaggedy or drippety at all.
::::#Songs that aren't about girls/Los Angeles/good times ect.
::::#Electric guitar solos.
::::#Strange band name.
::::#Not depressing and/or gloomy like emo or gloomcore.
::::Furthermore, I kept comparing sloshy to [[Wikipedia:They Might Be Giants|They Might Be Giants]] and [[Wikipedia:Muse|Muse]] (my favourite band) throughout the entire email. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 11:51, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Email song? ==

I can't shake the feeling that the email song is a reference to some metal song. My first guess was Black Sabbath's 'Paranoid,' but that's not it. Any ideas, or am I just insane? [[User:76.99.103.184|76.99.103.184]] 17:12, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
* Howbout The Kinks (Paranoia Will Destroyya). Not metal. In short, TTATOT. [[User:76.200.149.76|76.200.149.76]] 22:52, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

== Marble Craze ==

The music from the game Strong Bad/Sad are playing is from Marble Craze and can be heard here: http://qotile.net/audio/marble_music.mp3 --[[User:74.110.104.75|74.110.104.75]] 18:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

== Not a "special" email? ==

So I guess this email #175 is not a "special" email, in the spirits of emails 50, 100, & 150? I suppose we can all agree that "25th anniversary" emails (25 integrals ending in -25 and -75) have not been given special treatment that agknowledge their number. --[[User:Compdude|Compdude]]
:Yeah, the 25s haven't been as special (except maybe [[rock opera]]). [[super powers]] was ''kind of'' special-like, revealing superpowers, but [[funny]]... stunk out loud. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::[[funny]] was funny as f**k, man. ''You're'' outloud. Tenderly, I remain, [[User:76.200.149.76|76.200.149.76]] 22:58, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:::OK, now we're getting into [http://forum.hrwiki.org forum] territory. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 22:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::::I think that [[funny]], like [[personal favorites]], was funniest the first time I saw them. {{User:Neox/sig}}

== First Email w/ New Paper to have back button? FALSE! ==

Someone posted a revision saying this is the first email with the New Paper to have a back button. Not true. See ''[[the paper|email 173]]''. {{User:Ert plus/sig}} 04:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Tex-mex? ==

I know it was me that wrote the transcript... But the 'tex-mex' bit was mostly a guess, and now that I think about it, it didn't really sound like tex-mex... it was sorta like... tech-mesh. or tetrex.. [[User:Yadaman|Yadaman]] 04:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:Tex-Mex is what I heard.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 04:45, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:It is tex-mex. don't argue with me, i've been on the internets -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 13:38, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Bad Shirt ==

Has this been enough occasions of Strong Bad wearing a shirt to deserve its own page, or should it just be a fun fact? {{User:Itama/sig}} 04:55, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:We've got [[Strong Bad Other Costumes]]. Is that what you meant?{{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:59, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
I was kinda wondering that myself.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 05:00, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:I think that would be a good page: "Although strong bad usually goes shirtless, there has been a few occasions were he is seen wearing a shirt" And then it goes on, then we can show pictures of when he's wearing shirts.--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 05:04, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
::Oh, wait, we have [[Strong bad wearing a shirt|this]].--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 05:06, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I just now saw that too. Rats. Here I thouhght we had a good idea going.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 05:08, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Strong sad wearing a shirt?--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 05:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Possible reference ==

When Strong Bad throws that record at Strong Sad and a piece gets stuck in his head, I thought it very similar to a scene in the movie Shaun of the Dead in which a record is thrown at a zombie and a very similar thing happens. Think it's enough of a reference to make the page?
:I personally thought it was a reference to an episode of Family Guy when Stewie gets a piece of glass lodged in his forehead. Except ''he'' is the one that crashes into the sharp objects (a glass cabinet), not the other way around. [[User:Jimmy91|Jimmy91]] 10:59, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== New Paper change ==

<nowiki>Did anybody else notice that the bottom of the envelope on the new paper was more defined? Do we think this is a graphical mistake or is the new paper slowly gaining its ink?
</nowiki>
:if anything, the paper would be gettings its ink 'flowing' earlier. unless this is another time and space defying printer, it must print the part of the paper that comes into the screen first, which is the part thats the fadedest -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 13:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Talk:concert

JamesDean — Tue, 21 Aug 2007 13:38:05 GMT

JamesDean: /* Tex-mex? */

Talk:mini-golf

JamesDean — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:39:38 GMT

JamesDean: /* Worms chasing each other -- Teen Titans reference? */

== We don't have filmographies where ''I'' come from, rumble...==

Just as a clarification: If a picture of a established character appears in a cartoon (such as [[Homsar]] in [[Ever and More!]] or [[Rumble Red]] in mini-golf), they shouldn't be added to the filmography, just mentioned either in the transcript or Remarks as appropriate? We are only counting if they are "physically" there or not, right? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 14:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
:Right. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:51, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

== Flavored water ==

the recent change i made has be deleted. your reason for doing so was " is "both" a reference, or just a remark?"

i had it under trivia. {{unsigned|Clergyman|}}
:The way he says "both" does not really sound like "flavored water" from [[rough copy]], so it's not a reference nor is it remarkable. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:57, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

==Monster Man?==
I think Homsar says "Monster Myers" not "Monster Man".
: I pretty distinctly hear "Monster Man". Homsar just puts unnecessary dipthongs in his speech, along with all of his other weird speech patterns. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:12, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I hear Monster ma-yan, which is just monster man. Okay.-That same guy that originally asked this
:I heard Monster may-an. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 22:23, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
::Um... Call me crazy, but I keep hearing [[Wikipedia:The Munsters|Munster]] Man.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 01:38, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:::I second that. {{User:Einstein runner/sig}} 03:55, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
::::I transcribed the easter egg and I also think it sounds a ''little'' more like Munster man. Nevertheless, "monster man" makes a bit more sense in context (to the extent than anything Homsar says makes sense in context). I won't complain if anyone opts for "Munster" instead.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:49, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Is it remark-worthy that Homsar's utterance is quite sensible, but the Drive-Thru Whale's statement preceding it ("Pave your brown") is a clear example of a word salad? [[User:Catgirl|Catgirl]] 01:39, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:Probably should be mentioned in that research article we got going on Homsar's speech pattern, but I dunno if a remark is warranted here, cat<s>man</s>girl, as it's not the first time we can understand Homsar.
:And for the record, I hear "Munster May-an." (Barakku don't wanna login) --[[User:65.103.58.163|65.103.58.163]] 07:17, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

== power of 10 ==

10^10 would equal 10,000,000,000 and Homestar's birdie would be 9,999,999,999 putts. Worth a mention??
:Probably not. The terms are already explained on the page, and the par of 1010 is on the [[Sweet Puttin' Cakes]] page. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 16:42, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

== Kosmik/Cosmic Bowling ==

"Kosmik (or Cosmic) Bowling is a promotion where fluorescent pins, black lights, and loud music are used on the lanes. "
is this really a widespread name? I've heard blacklight bowling be called 4 or 5 different names. I think this is probably what they call it at one particular bowling alley that the guy who added this went to -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 17:33, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
:Looking at the Wikipedia page for [[Wikipedia:Bowling|bowling]], Cosmic bowling is indeed one of many names for the same promotion, including Xtreme bowling. I think, however, that it is common enough that it is not limited to just one bowling alley. I've heard it called "Cosmic bowling" at some of the lanes locally, for example. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 17:38, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
: Should it be a real world reference or an explainaton? [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 03:35, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
There's a bowling game for either N64 or PS1 (I forget which) which has a Cosmic Bowling option. I'm fairly sure of the name. User:Zoom/sig 23:37, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

== Homsar's Hat ==

Is it worth noting that Homsar's hat left his head without coming back again? It just happened last time in [[the paper]], where it was noted in the Trivia section. [[User:Pdkauffmann|Pdkauffmann]] 18:53, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
:In origins and the paper, it landed on someone else. This is the first time that it just vanished. Mayhaps the strange laws of physics in Sweet Puttin' Cakes interfere with Homsars own strange laws of physics. But anyway, isn't his hat flying off his head the kind of thing that gets mentioned in the transcript?--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 21:48, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

== No back button? ==

Is it on purpose that there is no "back" button at the end of this sbemail?
:I doubt it, as it has only just been released. Also, please sign your posts using for tildes (~). [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 22:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
:There is no escaping the Sweet Puttin' Cakes email. You just have to will yourself back to the sbemail nav page.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:51, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

== Speaking backwards ==

It's cute and all to write Strong Bad's backwards speech reversed letter for letter in the transcript, but it doesn't really do any good. Anyone actually reading the transcript would probably be confused and have to figure it out, which is not something we should aim for. On top of that, it's not accurate just to write the letters backwards, because you wouldn't actually pronounce the phrase that way. When watching the toon, the impression you get as you hear Strong Bad speak is, "hmm, he's speaking backwards", but you can't tell what he's saying unless you edit the sound later. Thus, "''{speaking backwards}''" should be sufficient to get the point across. Note that we ''do'' decode what he says in the Trivia section. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:But we wrote Strong Bad's backwards talking siht ekil on [[rock opera|this page]]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 01:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
::True, but it's my position that it should be changed as well. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:53, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

==Putt-Putt==

Is putt-putt an explaination or a real world reference? [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 03:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:Putt-putt is a name for mini golf. The "golf-golf" bit is a reference to "putt-putt". {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:01, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:This explaination is very poorly worded. Putt-Putt is a chan of mini-golf establishments and is more of a "brand" of mini-golf than it is a different name for it. This is much like how a Kleenex is a facial tissue but not all facial tissues are Kleenex, even though they have come to be known as such. [[User:68.99.55.96|68.99.55.96]] 12:43, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

==I Was Just Wondering If...==
It seems to me like there are enough mentions of this phrase (I was just wondering if...) to constitute its own page
:Dear 75.30.148.60, I was just wondering if you're going to [[HRWiki:Standards#Be_bold.2C_but_know_when_not_to_be|do-sum-bow-dat]], or if you expect anyone to do it at all? [[User:68.124.65.8|68.124.65.8]] 17:21, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
::That phrase is very common in the real world. It's not notable enough for an article.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:49, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

== New Music? ==

Is it worth noting that this sbemail has a new track for the background music of the "sweet cuppin' cakes" universe? mostly irrelevant, but I love how atmospheric and ambient the music sounds. -The_Fifth_Grade
:I noticed it and thought it was awesome. I think it should be noted. If not here, then on the [[Sweet Puttin' Cakes]] page. Something like "The music in Sweet Puttin' Cakes is slightly diffrent than the music that plays in other Sweet Cuppin Cakes toons. There are a few more synth pad (or somethin') tracks, and the main melody is thinned out a little.(or somethin')"--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 05:29, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

== Fork of a Pork? ==

Coach Z's line, currently transcribed as "Fork of a Pork", doesn't sound like fork of a pork, in fact when slowed down and analysed, the first syllable is clearly "G" and not "F".
It sounds more like "Gorkafabork". I don't think it was supposed to be intelligible.
Slow it down and listen to it; you'll see what i mean

It sounds like goraforpork to me... [[User:CloneWarrior|CloneWarrior]] 18:56, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

:I hear "Pork '''up''' a fork". DUnno what it means, but... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

::I don't think he's saying actual words, just standard Coach Z gibberish. I'm not sure what the best way to transcribe it would be, but I definitaly think it should not be real words. Fork of a pork just sounds dumb.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 00:06, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

== Easter Eggs ==

Could we possibly add in more of an explanation for the score card easter eggs, or some pictures? [[User:CloneWarrior|CloneWarrior]] 18:47, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:Or possibly some of those people who are good with tables and manipulation making a visual text version (like the things on [[Edgar]] and similar)? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:04, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

== Tap, tap ==

The sound effect of Keyboard Strong Bad tapping Strong Bad on the shoulder is from the same Casio VL-Tone keyboard that the demo music is from. Specifically, the VL-Tone had one programmable sound called "ASDR" (attack/sustain/decay/release) that could be edited by storing 8-digit numbers in the memory when the unit was in "calculator" mode. If no number was stored in the memory, the ASDR sound was a short "blip," which is heard here. I'm not sure if any part of this is intersting enough for the article, though! [[User:Wear a Bikini|Wear a Bikini]] 19:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

==Goof, or intentional?==

The fact that the holes in the whale's hole are gone in the easter egg might not be a goof, it might simply be the Sweet Cuppin' Cakes physics at work. Anyone agree?
:I say goof. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
::If anything's a goof, it's that the holes were there in the first place, not that they were gone in the Easter egg. That said, it's a bit of a stretch to think TBC would accidentally put something in rather than accidentally leave something out. [[User:Wear a Bikini|Wear a Bikini]] 20:25, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
::I think the holes are intentionally there the first time, because in the Easter Egg, Strong Bad is wondering where they went. Or, at least, I interpret it that way. Maybe a vote of some kind should be introduced.--[[User:69.70.248.73|69.70.248.73]] 22:15, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:::I don't think it's nessicarily a goof or intentional. There could just be more than one drive-thru whale. The shape of the green IS diffrent in the easter egg.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 00:51, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
::::I think there's a reasonable chance this was intentional, and if there's even a reasonable chance that something is intentional, then we are obligated to list it as a remark (or in the transcript) and not as a goof. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:42, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Maybe someone stole the holes. Anything can happen in a universe with different laws of physics. {{User:Zoom/sig}} 23:53, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

== Style difference ==

If you look at the scene with both Strong Bad and Keyboard Strong Bad, Keyboard Strong Bad is still drawn in an older style compared to Strong Bad.

[[User:???|-???]] 23:09, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

:Yep, always has been. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

== Pour gravel on your stump please, ma'am ==

In this email, the drive-through whale says "Pour gravel on your stump please, ma'am," and the last time (in Drive-Through), he/it said: "Sever your leg please, sir." It seems as though the two are connected; after one severs one's leg, one is then asked to pour gravel on the stump. Worth a mention? -[[User:Almsfothepudgy|Almsfothepudgy]] 09:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

No.

Seems worth it to me. [[User:Catgirl|Catgirl]] 01:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Second -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 22:35, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

== Everytime? ==

Not one word. Another of Strongbad's (heehee) various grammar mistakes. I'll leave it up to someone else to edit in. --[[User:4.244.36.170|4.244.36.170]] 14:49, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
:Good find! I just added it. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 15:01, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

== billion - u.s. vs. u.k. ==

Once again, something I've added was taken out 5 minutes later.

In the U.S., 109 is a billion. In the U.K., it's a thousand-million, and 1012 is a billion. The edit comment removing my addition said this is wrong. It is bloody well not.

If you're just going to erase everything that I add, why not just lock my account or something. It's not as if I am spamming or anything.

:Of course you aren't spamming and i don't think you are, but i also am pretty sure that this isn't true. If you can provide me with proof, then you can feel more than welcome to add it back in. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:27, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

:: According to [[Wikipedia:Long and short scales|Wikipedia]], the "long scale" - in which 109 is a milliard or thosand-million, and 1012 is a billion, is used in most non-English-speaking countries and has some residual use in the UK, but the "short scale", what we use in the states, is the standard even in the UK now. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:33, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

::: When one of those "residual uses" is the BBC's financial news, I'd say it's bloody significant. [[User:Nsayer|Nsayer]] 16:35, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

:::: Wikipedia says that BBC uses the short scale. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

::::: This is all beside the point. The question is whether the article would be improved by adding in the extra note. It currently reads, "1010 = 10,000,000,000, or 10 billion." Given that the numeral itself is listed and the fact that people in the U.K. are (or should be) used to interpreting "billion" as it applies in American contexts, then I see no real reason to list the other meaning when it doesn't really apply to the toon. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:51, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

:::::: The change made by Nsayer wasn't worded the best. The whole US vs. UK thing is a bit hostile, but if there is a significant number of people who use long scale, what could it hurt to just tack "(or 10 thousand-million in [[Wikipedia:Long and short scales|long scale]])" at the end? Or maybe just remove the word billion altogether.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 23:57, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I feel "billion" used in an American cartoon would naturally be interpreted in the American method. If someone sees a conflict between 1,000,000,000 and "billion" then they are obviously using the old method. Perhaps "1010 = 10,000,000,000, or 10 [[Wikipedia:Billion|billion]]." {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:39, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

==What are we, in the 50s?!==
Do we really need to say Homestar holds up a brassiere? Nobody's said that since 1956! Can't we just say bra? Jeez.-[[User:Lappy z|Lappy z]] 21:50, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
:Dude, it's the technical term. Bra is just an abbreviation. The wiki is just trying to be more, you know, proper. No big deal. And on a side note, people ''do'' still say the whole word sometimes. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 21:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

==Zany Golf==
This sbemail is strongly reminiscent of a 1980's computer game called Zany Golf. It was an isometric miniature golf game featuring bizzare and surreal imagery and music. All of the holes were enormous, heavily detailed "islands" floating in a featureless, black void. I wouldn't bother considering it a reference, except for the fact that when Coach Z is playing the infinite hole (on a floating island!), the SCC music is mixed with an eerie, synthetic ''vox humana'' sound that was a major component of most of the Zany Golf music. Could this be a reference? [[User:Wear a Bikini|Wear a Bikini]] 00:54, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

==Hell-la-la-la-la-looooo Strong Bad!==
The way Strong Bad pronounces "Helllooooooo" appears to be a clear inside reference to the 2nd part of [[retirement]], where he adds "Lalalalalaa" to the end of everything he says, lalalalalaa. But I thought I'd float the idea here before adding it as an Inside Reference, and updating retirement with a Fast Forward. [[User:Catgirl|Catgirl]] 01:45, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:It did occur to me, and it was on the page, but it was later removed. I'm on the fence; it could be a coincidence, just SB mocking the extra "L" in the word, or it could be partially an intentional ref. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
::''Partially'' an intentional ref? He's just making fun of the spelling. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:27, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Usually when Strong Bad mocks spellings, he takes a very literal approach to it. This deviates markedly from the written phrase, and is made in a very theatrical (read: side-show-caller-esque) fashion. Had he not inserted some extra L's and not made such a production out of it, then I wouldn't even think of adding it as an inside ref.[[User:Catgirl|Catgirl]] 05:09, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Yeah! What she said!--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 05:11, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, intentional or not, it does sound just like what he says in retirement. It seems like the obvious way to make fun of the extra L would be to just hold the L sound longer. It doesn't make a lot of sense for him to make fun by saying "la-la-la-la-la." (Not that sense ever needs to be made.)--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 05:10, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Okay, first of all, it doesn't sound like retirement. Retirement has a "la" sound whereas this has a "luh" sound. And the last time I checked, there weren't three ''l'''s in "hello". I don't think any way to make fun of it is more obvious than any other. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:13, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::It doesn't sound EXACTLY like in retirement, but close enough to make people say "Hey! That was like what he did in retirement!" And like Catgirl said, usually Strong Bad makes fun of spelling by pronouncing it as written. It would seem he had something else in mind here, and retirement is the only thing I can think of.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 05:20, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
::::::What do you mean, exactly as written? That's what he ''does'' do here. He pronounces extra l's and a really long o, just like it was sent to him. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:29, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Well it's hard to explain by typing, but normally when you see "LLL" you say "LLL" (the normal L sound in hello, just held out three times as long). It would have had to been spelled "Helalalaloooo" for him to pronounce as written the way he did.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 05:34, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
::::::::I think you're being overly literal there. TBC probably saw the extra letters and just took it in a bit of a [[1 step ahead|different direction]], as they often do. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::I guess it's another example of me vs. [[User:Antisexy#What I hate about H*R Wiki|strictly encyclopedic]]. One of these days, I'ma get my shot to [[Cool Things|stick it to the man]].--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 05:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:Dot com: I think you misread what I typed. I said I was not ''sure'' if it was partially an intentional reference or not - of '''course''' he was making fun of the spelling. That said, he DID throw a few more Ls than the three that the emailer put in. "Hellalaloooooo" would have been accurate(ish) and not sounded like his [[retirement]] calling. I don't think it's certain, but it feels like you just came to the conclusion that it's not and won't read the rest. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:14, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
::I was just commenting on the wording. I'm assuming you mean that it's partially a reference and partially a new joke, not partially intentional and partially accidental, because something like this is typically either intentional or it's not. After listening to both clips back to back, my contention is that they're really not that similar. Yes, one is reminiscent of the other, kinda sorta. Yes, SB says more luhs than there are l's, but he is often prone to exaggeration. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 07:34, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Okay, I can see that argument. I meant partially an intentional reference, in that it would be, if it's the case, half a joke on the misspelling. Sorry for any misunderstanding. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:14, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

== Worms chasing each other -- Teen Titans reference? ==
The scene with the two worms chasing each other is very similar to a scene in the episode "Titan Rising" from season two of the animated series Teen Titans, in which three giant robotic worms attach lengthwise to each other and spin in the same fashion over Titans Tower. So similar, in fact, that I find it unlikely it's just a coincidence. Before I go add it to the Outside References section, though, does anyone else think this is worth mentioning?--[[User:ChurchPunk|ChurchPunk]] 3:13 AM, August 16, 2007 (EST)
:Being quite a fan of ''Teen Titans'' in general, and season 2 especially, I don't think so. I don't really see the resemblance.
:For anyone curious, [http://teentitans.toonzone.net/tt/reviews/titanrising/12.jpg here is a picture of the robo-worm individually], and [http://teentitans.toonzone.net/tt/reviews/titanrising/22.jpg here they are circling]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 08:10, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
::Umm, i get 403'D when i try to view those... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 13:41, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Weird, I get 404'd...Does Toon Zone exist anymore? {{User:Mee/sig}} 13:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
::::<blockquote>
::::<big>'''Forbidden'''</big> 
::::You don't have permission to access /tt/reviews/titanrising/12.jpg on this server. 
::::Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.</blockquote>
::::This is what I see. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 13:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::Same with me. Did you check on the URL before you posted the link, or can ''you'' visit the page without being 404'd, Dorian? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 14:22, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
: Regardless of the picture, I would say that the worms from TT and The Worm biting it's own tail are both references to Ouroboros, which is already covered in the article. It would be like adding the fact that "a snake biting its tail from the other side" is a line from "I Palindrome I" by They Might Be Giants. They are all coming from a common point, so are tangental at best. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 14:40, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
::They worked the first time. You can also trick it by copying the URLs, not clicking the links. The pictures are fine, the site is fine. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:15, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:The best way i've found to get around links like that is - after you've clicked it, drag the url into your google bar. it searches it and brings u to it all in one step -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 22:39, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Talk:mini-golf

JamesDean — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:39:15 GMT

JamesDean: /* Worms chasing each other -- Teen Titans reference? */

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JamesDean — Thu, 16 Aug 2007 22:35:51 GMT

JamesDean: /* Pour gravel on your stump please, ma'am */

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JamesDean — Mon, 13 Aug 2007 17:33:06 GMT

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JamesDean — Sat, 28 Jul 2007 21:38:08 GMT

JamesDean: /* Blur type */

== Here's what gets me ==

Can I just gripe about something? In 'Real World References', it's noted that Homestar's blurred sure may "possibly" reference the blurring of logos on TV shows - something that might not even be a reference is allowed. Yet, something as blatantly obvious as "Bub Rub" is immediately thrown out as being 'unlikely'?

Idiotic. Truly idiotic. This Wiki is going down the crapper, fast.

== Regular outfit ==

Can we really say that "this is one of only five main pages to have Homestar in his regular outfit, size, and style" if his shirt can change? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 14:53, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
:We can say "this is one of only five main pages to have Homestar in his regular size, and style"?--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 19:05, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
::That applies to ''most'' main pages, though. Not just five. {{User:Mee/sig}}
:Personally, I don't think the fact is noteworthy regardless. This fact would have been erased ''instantly'' if it had said "one of the few" instead of one of five. I say get rid of it. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 06:23, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

== Blurry shirt ==
:''When you roll over "Store" to put on the glasses, the logos on any of Homestar's shirts are still blurry.''
When I put the glasses on, Homestarrunner's shirt is still blurry. Is anyone else having this "problem" [[User:71.108.174.149|71.108.174.149]]
:See the Goofs section. [[User:24.147.211.129|24.147.211.129]]
::This happens with all of his shirts, the ducky, the star, and the Peacy P.
:::I'm not sure this is a goof - I think this is an intentional joke. It seems a little odd that EVERYTHING else would be sharpened except for the shirt. [[User:Compdude]]
::::Agreed -- I laughed. [[User:86.136.81.173|86.136.81.173]] 19:02, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::This especially makes sense when you consider that TBC blurred out the "Olympic Man" shirt in the last TGS episode, and the blurred out Peacy P shirt here also refers to that same TGS episode. [[User:Compdude|Compdude]]
This was put into STUFF for some reason but it doesn't belong there; it's patently true, so the question is where, not whether, to note it. Seems like it would be fine just to put it in the list of buttons. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:48, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
:The "Fila" shirt gives it away. It must have been intentional. Not a goof.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:52, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:53, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Shouldn't it be a real world reference then? [[User:71.108.174.149|71.108.174.149]]

::::Yup, Fila's mentioned in [[Main Page 24#Real World References|Real World References]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:32, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::What about the whole blurring-logos-to-avoid-copyright-infringement joke
::::::Mentioned in Real World References? As far as I can tell, no such section.[[User:66.172.100.207|66.172.100.207]] 06:07, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::There was at one time. Where'd it go? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 06:08, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

== nekkid? ==

For the Downloads button, the article currently says "Strong Bad walks through the Field", but doesn't elaborate much. Then under Remarks, it says "Strong Bad is seen with underwear". I looked at the Main Page in question before reading the article, and I'm pretty sure that Strong Bad is naked. It would make sense, since everything's blurry, it forms a sort of pre-emptive censorship that's being exploited to allow SB to wander around in the buff. I personally can't see any color difference between his chest and where his underwear should be. After all, the Remark goes on to mention that "he claims he doesn't wear them", so where's the evidence that he's wearing them now? - [[User:Uglinessman|Ugliness Man]] 20:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
:Put the glasses on by rolling over "Store". It will then become clear. :) {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 20:44, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
::He's clearly naked flesh-tone when blurred, when the glasses are put on, he's wearing underwear. That's the joke - you see he's naked, but there are underpants when the glasses are on. [[User:208.60.233.132|208.60.233.132]] 22:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
:::That would work, except for the fact that being able to use the "glasses" to see the other events unblurred is a Flash artifact, and it's hard to say whether or not it's strictly intentional. -{{User:YK/sig}} 00:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
::No, you're crazy. he has the underpants on when its blurred. someone decompile it and prove me right, but i'm still right. -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 23:49, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Proved right: on decompiling, the only Strong Body image has underwear on. There is none without it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 06:20, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

==Cardgage==

Are the glasses the same shape/size/style as Senor Cardgage's? If so we may be looking through his eyes. -- [[User:208.60.233.132|208.60.233.132]] 22:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
:Nevermind, they aren't. Would've been cool though! -- [[User:208.60.233.132|208.60.233.132]] 23:13, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
::They do appear to be similar to [[Mike Chapman|Mike's]], though I would not note that on the article. Too "spec"ulative (pun happily intended!). {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:19, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

== Underwear! ==
Strong Bad said that he does not wear underwear in [[New Boots]]. But he is clearly seen wearing underwear in this main page. I'm gonna put that as an inconsistency. {{User:SantanaHomerunner/sig}}

:It's currently listed in [[Main Page 24#Remarks|Remarks]]. Good memory, though! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:04, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, I did put it on the [[inconsistencies]] article if that is alright.

== The Weeklies ==

The Weeklies do appear blurred to me. {{User:SantanaHomerunner/sig}}

The buttons yes, but if the actual windows are blurred, you have eye problems. Please consult an eye doctor. --[[User:207.155.58.227|207.155.58.227]] 02:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

== The buttons w/glasses ==

Aren't the buttons AFTER wearing the glasses run through a "sharpen" filter or something of the like? Since your 'vision' becomes sharper, they used "sharpen" on it? Looks like what happens when you sharpen in photoshop, as an example. -- [[User:208.60.233.160|208.60.233.160]] 03:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
:That's what it looked like to me, as well, but there's definitely been some additional effects added. (Speculation - they're not meant to look like bifocal lenses, are they?) -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 00:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

== The Wii ==
I`m currently typing on a Wii, and I looked at this mainpage and the page was all messed up! First time I viewed it, the whole page had a grey film over it and nothing worked. Second time, the page showed up CRYSTAL CLEAR. The only problem was that the emblems on Homestar's shirt didn't show up at all. Could this have something to do with being on the Wii? - [[HRFWiki:User:TheDenzel]]
:I believe it's been mentioned, but it's likely something to do with the "blur" filter not working properly in the version of Flash that's included with the Wii's Opera browser. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 00:19, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
::Oh. I didn't see that before. I still need to get used to using the Wii's Internet Channel. Woops. [[HRFWiki:User:TheDenzel|TheDenzel]]
:::I'm in linux and I also get that gray film. Every time. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:46, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

== Main Page randomizer ==

Um, has anyone else gotten to this page by clicking "main" on the bottom of the page or "come on in" on the homepage? I tried both of them a hundred times, and never got to Main Page 24. --{{User:Techgeekmbg/sig}} 16:01, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
:You may be onto something. I didn't get it either.
::I tried and got nothing. Maybe this should be mentioned? [[User:Awesomermustang|Awesomermustang]] 21:06, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
:::I am not sure where it is noted, but I know it is someplace, that the later Main Pages are not in the randomizer so won't appear unless specifically requested. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:37, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
::::I got Main Pages 21 and 23 on the "main" button but not this. I wouldn't note it unless it wasn't fixed by next week (or the end of the baby break, whichever comes first) [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 23:14, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::Probably this Main Page has not been added to the randomiser because it is the only Main Page not to display correctly in older versions of the Flash Player.
::::::Confirmed: This was taken from a flash decompiler of [[HR:main_nav.swf|main_nav.swf]]:

<code>

TOTAL_MAINPAGES = 23;

</code>

::::::Proves that they forgot about it, or they didn't want people on the Wii getting it. --{{User:Techgeekmbg/sig}} 02:55, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

== The messages ==
The [[main page messages]] aren't shiny. Should that be mentioned?--{{User:SantanaHomerunner/sig}} 20:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
:'Course they're not. They're not about to change all them for a one-page gag. Remember, the main page messages, show up on all the other main pages too. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:22, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

== 20/200 ==
Did anyone consider that the buttons are shinier because when you look through the glasses, you see better making things appear sharper.--{{User:SantanaHomerunner/sig}} 20:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
: Should they appear sharper than real? Are you implying that all the other main pages are ever so slightly out of focus?-[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 21:16, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
::Look at the other homepages with the glasses. You'll see that this is indeed the case. [[User:68.124.67.66|68.124.67.66]] 03:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
:::...I'm pretty sure that's not possible. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 03:59, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
::::"pretty sure"? I extracted the glasses with the decompiler and imported them to mainpages #3, 12 and 20 as a test. I didn't do them ALL but it's enough to get the picture. The way I did it, the glasses are permanent - the Store button does what it normally does instead of loading/unloading the glasses. Still, you can tell it's sharper than the version without the glasses.
::::HAHA my captcha was "FOggie" funny eh? [[User:68.124.67.66|68.124.67.66]] 04:03, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::Then that means that the glasses have an added sharpen feature... And that's cutely ironic. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 04:05, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::not only that, but the other homepages are a little fuzzy to start with! JamesDean was RIGHT ON. Plus besides cute irony it means either this was planned OR TBC discovered a little flaw that they're bugfixing in this interactive way. Brilliant, either way! [[User:68.124.67.66|68.124.67.66]] 04:09, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I was referring to "FOggie" when i said "cutely ironic"... but your idea is good too... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 04:12, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::::OH thanks, I didnt get what you were sayin' but yeah, that's why I reported it! One time I got "LapPHY" on a sbemail page. :) [[User:68.124.67.66|68.124.67.66]] 04:14, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::You know if you [[special:userlogin|create an account]] you won't get any captcha and other cool stuff happens too... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 04:17, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::As for it being intentional... while TBC have occasionally hidden things in the flash, i doubt they'd go as far as to make an easter egg requiring you to take elements from one toon and use it in another intentionally. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 04:20, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, I'm sure not gonna put this in a easteregg section in the article. I doubt TBC intentionally "unsharped" 23 mainpages before this one. Seems to me just a minor optimization flaw - it's not even really detectable unless you do this test. You can't sharpen something that's already sharp, so, if it wasn't planned then I think TBC made this for fun after discovering the old pages's condition. [[User:68.124.67.66|68.124.67.66]] 04:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::How do you get a decompiler?--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 04:35, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::Eltima [http://www.eltima.com/products/flashdecompiler/ has a nice one] you can download for free. That's the one I use. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:41, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Cool, now how do i use it?--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 04:45, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Sorry, that is out of the scope of this talk page, and perhaps the wiki in general. Try emailing someone who knows, using a search on the Internet, or eben (gulp) the Help documentation provided with the software. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 08:50, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
:OH my GOSH. You all know he's being facetious right?! Why do you think he didn't sign it?!-[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 19:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
::It's not any more facetious than the stuff everybody else around here does with Flash decompilers. I don't even wanna '''remember''' the last time a toon/sbemail/TGS/etc article appeared in hrwiki.org where someone didn't fire up the ol' swiffripper for fun and profit. [[User:68.124.67.66|68.124.67.66]] 01:29, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
:::By "fun and profit", of course what I mean is '''posting of the '''''very''''' studliest FunFacts and disruptive discussions of canonicity'''.
:I'm thinking that the creators just went the way of many other flash artists and threw a slight blur filter overtop of all the other homepages, for the simple reason that a vague blur hides tiny errors and compression artefacts, as well as making the finished product generally look softer. The glasses would simply cancel that out, no? [[User:207.81.8.73|207.81.8.73]] 16:23, 27 July 2007

'''Please stop feeding 68.124.67.66. Thanks.'''{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:12, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

== Incompatibility Explanation ==

As I have said on the forums...

''This seems to be made in Flash 8 or higher instead of the Flash 5 they usually work with, hence the blur effect and shinier buttons. Remember that in the video at Georgia Tech, they said that they have both, but mainly work in 5 and export in 8 just because it compresses better, and only work in 8 to do things 5 can't. Hence why you can't see it in the Internet Channel, which only supports 7 and under.''

[[User:???|-???]] 04:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
:Aaah... That's a neat bit of info. Kudos. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:52, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

== Permanet Glasses? ==

When I click and hold the store button and then move it to the non button zones and let go, The Glasses stay on until,
you scroll over store again. Toonypie from the Fanstuff wiki.
:Yes, that's the way [[Main Page Glitches]] work. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

== Is this 20/200? ==

I have a bad sense of distance since my left eye is legally blind 20/400. Is this really 20/200?? [[User:Santaman|Santaman]]

:No, it's just what it is. What that means is you can see as well at 20 feet as a normal eye can see at 400 feet. 20/200 means one can see at 20 feet what a normal eye can see at 200. If your better eye is 20/200 or worse, you are legally blind; if only one is, you're legally blind in that eye only. So your left eye is quite past the legally-blind threshold of 20/200. More info can be read [[Wikipedia:Visual acuity|on Wikipedia]]. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:02, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
::The "legal blindness" definition refers to '''corrected''' vision. If one's bare eye is 20/400, it does not mean she's legally blind after she pops her lens in.

== Button shading only ==

Anyone notice they've got the shiny shading on the buttons on the left in this one? I mean - it doesn't happen in the other main pages. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 00:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

:[[crying|Never mind.]] --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 00:20, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

== Blur type ==

Only optics geeks (like me) with poor uncorrected vision might notice this, but the blur seems to be of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaussian_blur Gaussian] variety, whereas nearsightedness produces a roughly flat circular blur, corresponding to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bokeh shape] of the eye's pupil. At all worthy of note? [[User:71.141.194.176|71.141.194.176]] 04:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
:Blur has a shape?
:: I don't know, no one said anything about the shape of a blur. He mentioned TYPE of blur and SHAPE of an eyeball, but u've compiled them together somehow -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 21:38, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

== Characters ==

Anyone else notice that when you scroll over the Characters button, the quality of the sound is a lot poorer than the rest of the page?

Talk:Main Page 24

JamesDean — Thu, 26 Jul 2007 19:32:53 GMT

JamesDean: /* 20/200 */

== Regular outfit ==

Can we really say that "this is one of only five main pages to have Homestar in his regular outfit, size, and style" if his shirt can change? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 14:53, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
:We can say "this is one of only five main pages to have Homestar in his regular size, and style"?--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 19:05, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
::That applies to ''most'' main pages, though. Not just five. {{User:Mee/sig}}
:Personally, I don't think the fact is noteworthy regardless. This fact would have been erased ''instantly'' if it had said "one of the few" instead of one of five. I say get rid of it. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 06:23, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

== Blurry shirt ==
:''When you roll over "Store" to put on the glasses, the logos on any of Homestar's shirts are still blurry.''
When I put the glasses on, Homestarrunner's shirt is still blurry. Is anyone else having this "problem" [[User:71.108.174.149|71.108.174.149]]
:See the Goofs section. [[User:24.147.211.129|24.147.211.129]]
::This happens with all of his shirts, the ducky, the star, and the Peacy P.
:::I'm not sure this is a goof - I think this is an intentional joke. It seems a little odd that EVERYTHING else would be sharpened except for the shirt. [[User:Compdude]]
::::Agreed -- I laughed. [[User:86.136.81.173|86.136.81.173]] 19:02, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::This especially makes sense when you consider that TBC blurred out the "Olympic Man" shirt in the last TGS episode, and the blurred out Peacy P shirt here also refers to that same TGS episode. [[User:Compdude|Compdude]]
This was put into STUFF for some reason but it doesn't belong there; it's patently true, so the question is where, not whether, to note it. Seems like it would be fine just to put it in the list of buttons. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:48, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
:The "Fila" shirt gives it away. It must have been intentional. Not a goof.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:52, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, that's what I was thinking too. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:53, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Shouldn't it be a real world reference then? [[User:71.108.174.149|71.108.174.149]]

::::Yup, Fila's mentioned in [[Main Page 24#Real World References|Real World References]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:32, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::What about the whole blurring-logos-to-avoid-copyright-infringement joke
::::::Mentioned in Real World References? As far as I can tell, no such section.[[User:66.172.100.207|66.172.100.207]] 06:07, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::There was at one time. Where'd it go? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 06:08, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

== nekkid? ==

For the Downloads button, the article currently says "Strong Bad walks through the Field", but doesn't elaborate much. Then under Remarks, it says "Strong Bad is seen with underwear". I looked at the Main Page in question before reading the article, and I'm pretty sure that Strong Bad is naked. It would make sense, since everything's blurry, it forms a sort of pre-emptive censorship that's being exploited to allow SB to wander around in the buff. I personally can't see any color difference between his chest and where his underwear should be. After all, the Remark goes on to mention that "he claims he doesn't wear them", so where's the evidence that he's wearing them now? - [[User:Uglinessman|Ugliness Man]] 20:42, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
:Put the glasses on by rolling over "Store". It will then become clear. :) {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 20:44, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
::He's clearly naked flesh-tone when blurred, when the glasses are put on, he's wearing underwear. That's the joke - you see he's naked, but there are underpants when the glasses are on. [[User:208.60.233.132|208.60.233.132]] 22:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
:::That would work, except for the fact that being able to use the "glasses" to see the other events unblurred is a Flash artifact, and it's hard to say whether or not it's strictly intentional. -{{User:YK/sig}} 00:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
::No, you're crazy. he has the underpants on when its blurred. someone decompile it and prove me right, but i'm still right. -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 23:49, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Proved right: on decompiling, the only Strong Body image has underwear on. There is none without it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 06:20, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

==Cardgage==

Are the glasses the same shape/size/style as Senor Cardgage's? If so we may be looking through his eyes. -- [[User:208.60.233.132|208.60.233.132]] 22:45, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
:Nevermind, they aren't. Would've been cool though! -- [[User:208.60.233.132|208.60.233.132]] 23:13, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
::They do appear to be similar to [[Mike Chapman|Mike's]], though I would not note that on the article. Too "spec"ulative (pun happily intended!). {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:19, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

== Underwear! ==
Strong Bad said that he does not wear underwear in [[New Boots]]. But he is clearly seen wearing underwear in this main page. I'm gonna put that as an inconsistency. {{User:SantanaHomerunner/sig}}

:It's currently listed in [[Main Page 24#Remarks|Remarks]]. Good memory, though! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:04, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Well, I did put it on the [[inconsistencies]] article if that is alright.

== The Weeklies ==

The Weeklies do appear blurred to me. {{User:SantanaHomerunner/sig}}

The buttons yes, but if the actual windows are blurred, you have eye problems. Please consult an eye doctor. --[[User:207.155.58.227|207.155.58.227]] 02:32, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

== The buttons w/glasses ==

Aren't the buttons AFTER wearing the glasses run through a "sharpen" filter or something of the like? Since your 'vision' becomes sharper, they used "sharpen" on it? Looks like what happens when you sharpen in photoshop, as an example. -- [[User:208.60.233.160|208.60.233.160]] 03:58, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
:That's what it looked like to me, as well, but there's definitely been some additional effects added. (Speculation - they're not meant to look like bifocal lenses, are they?) -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 00:18, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

== The Wii ==
I`m currently typing on a Wii, and I looked at this mainpage and the page was all messed up! First time I viewed it, the whole page had a grey film over it and nothing worked. Second time, the page showed up CRYSTAL CLEAR. The only problem was that the emblems on Homestar's shirt didn't show up at all. Could this have something to do with being on the Wii? - [[HRFWiki:User:TheDenzel]]
:I believe it's been mentioned, but it's likely something to do with the "blur" filter not working properly in the version of Flash that's included with the Wii's Opera browser. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 00:19, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
::Oh. I didn't see that before. I still need to get used to using the Wii's Internet Channel. Woops. [[HRFWiki:User:TheDenzel|TheDenzel]]
:::I'm in linux and I also get that gray film. Every time. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:46, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

== Main Page randomizer ==

Um, has anyone else gotten to this page by clicking "main" on the bottom of the page or "come on in" on the homepage? I tried both of them a hundred times, and never got to Main Page 24. --{{User:Techgeekmbg/sig}} 16:01, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
:You may be onto something. I didn't get it either.
::I tried and got nothing. Maybe this should be mentioned? [[User:Awesomermustang|Awesomermustang]] 21:06, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
:::I am not sure where it is noted, but I know it is someplace, that the later Main Pages are not in the randomizer so won't appear unless specifically requested. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:37, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
::::I got Main Pages 21 and 23 on the "main" button but not this. I wouldn't note it unless it wasn't fixed by next week (or the end of the baby break, whichever comes first) [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 23:14, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::Probably this Main Page has not been added to the randomiser because it is the only Main Page not to display correctly in older versions of the Flash Player.

== The messages ==
The [[main page messages]] aren't shiny. Should that be mentioned?--{{User:SantanaHomerunner/sig}} 20:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
:'Course they're not. They're not about to change all them for a one-page gag. Remember, the main page messages, show up on all the other main pages too. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:22, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

== 20/200 ==
Did anyone consider that the buttons are shinier because when you look through the glasses, you see better making things appear sharper.--{{User:SantanaHomerunner/sig}} 20:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
: Should they appear sharper than real? Are you implying that all the other main pages are ever so slightly out of focus?-[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 21:16, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
::Look at the other homepages with the glasses. You'll see that this is indeed the case. [[User:68.124.67.66|68.124.67.66]] 03:54, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
:::...I'm pretty sure that's not possible. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 03:59, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
::::"pretty sure"? I extracted the glasses with the decompiler and imported them to mainpages #3, 12 and 20 as a test. I didn't do them ALL but it's enough to get the picture. The way I did it, the glasses are permanent - the Store button does what it normally does instead of loading/unloading the glasses. Still, you can tell it's sharper than the version without the glasses.
::::HAHA my captcha was "FOggie" funny eh? [[User:68.124.67.66|68.124.67.66]] 04:03, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::Then that means that the glasses have an added sharpen feature... And that's cutely ironic. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 04:05, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::not only that, but the other homepages are a little fuzzy to start with! JamesDean was RIGHT ON. Plus besides cute irony it means either this was planned OR TBC discovered a little flaw that they're bugfixing in this interactive way. Brilliant, either way! [[User:68.124.67.66|68.124.67.66]] 04:09, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I was referring to "FOggie" when i said "cutely ironic"... but your idea is good too... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 04:12, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::::OH thanks, I didnt get what you were sayin' but yeah, that's why I reported it! One time I got "LapPHY" on a sbemail page. :) [[User:68.124.67.66|68.124.67.66]] 04:14, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::You know if you [[special:userlogin|create an account]] you won't get any captcha and other cool stuff happens too... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 04:17, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::As for it being intentional... while TBC have occasionally hidden things in the flash, i doubt they'd go as far as to make an easter egg requiring you to take elements from one toon and use it in another intentionally. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 04:20, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, I'm sure not gonna put this in a easteregg section in the article. I doubt TBC intentionally "unsharped" 23 mainpages before this one. Seems to me just a minor optimization flaw - it's not even really detectable unless you do this test. You can't sharpen something that's already sharp, so, if it wasn't planned then I think TBC made this for fun after discovering the old pages's condition. [[User:68.124.67.66|68.124.67.66]] 04:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::How do you get a decompiler?--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 04:35, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::Eltima [http://www.eltima.com/products/flashdecompiler/ has a nice one] you can download for free. That's the one I use. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:41, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::::::Cool, now how do i use it?--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 04:45, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::::::Sorry, that is out of the scope of this talk page, and perhaps the wiki in general. Try emailing someone who knows, using a search on the Internet, or eben (gulp) the Help documentation provided with the software. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 08:50, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
:OH my GOSH. You all know he's being facetious right?! Why do you think he didn't sign it?!-[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 19:32, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

== Incompatibility Explanation ==

As I have said on the forums...

''This seems to be made in Flash 8 or higher instead of the Flash 5 they usually work with, hence the blur effect and shinier buttons. Remember that in the video at Georgia Tech, they said that they have both, but mainly work in 5 and export in 8 just because it compresses better, and only work in 8 to do things 5 can't. Hence why you can't see it in the Internet Channel, which only supports 7 and under.''

[[User:???|-???]] 04:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
:Aaah... That's a neat bit of info. Kudos. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:52, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

== Permanet Glasses? ==

When I click and hold the store button and then move it to the non button zones and let go, The Glasses stay on until,
you scroll over store again. Toonypie from the Fanstuff wiki.
:Yes, that's the way [[Main Page Glitches]] work. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:02, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Main Page 24

JamesDean — Wed, 25 Jul 2007 21:16:34 GMT

JamesDean: /* 20/200 */

Talk:Main Page 24

JamesDean — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:49:14 GMT

JamesDean: /* nekkid? */

Talk:Main Page 24

JamesDean — Tue, 24 Jul 2007 23:48:17 GMT

JamesDean: /* nekkid? */

Talk:Inconsistencies within the Homestar Runner universe

JamesDean — Wed, 04 Jul 2007 07:12:41 GMT

JamesDean: /* The Spooky Woods */

== Vague page description ==

There are lots of inconsistencies in the Homestar Runner universe; some are clearly intentional, some are probably not, and most fall somewhere in between. We already have places to note these on the individual toons' pages when they come up; why have a totally separate page for them? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Is it just me, or is this page basically what the Goofs section in every single transcript page is for? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 00:45, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Maybe it could be a page for contradictory things in Homestar Runner? That's a little less vague. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 00:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

:Shwoo's idea might work out. This is basically an organizational thing. If I wanted to find all the inconsistencies right now, it would take me FOREVER. Being spread out among dozens of pages, I would probably never find many of them, since a search for "inconsistencies" brings up 4 results. It's just a way to make things easier to find. And that's the point right? Making information easily accessable for everyone else. {{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 00:49, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

::But if you notice an inconsistency in a toon, is that not what the Goofs section is for? Why not search "goofs" and see what you get? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 00:52, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

:::Not every goof is an inconsistancy. Looking at the goofs on the wiki, most of them are of the "Strong Bad spelled a word wrong" or "the animation looks weird" type.{{User:Shwoo/sig}} 00:58, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

::::Shwoo is right. Only major inconsistencies are mentioned anyway, and most of the minor ones are ignored. You can search "goofs" all you want, it will come up with a result for every cartoon page on the entire wiki, and that won't help you in any way whatsoever locate your inconsistencies. This page at least deserves a chance, but then again, all of my pages were deleted before they had a chance...{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 01:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

:::::I want to give this page a chance . The bits like how the Lappy have 10 MB instead of 5 MB is a good one. I'm still not removing the {{tl|tobedeleted}} template, but I'm for this page. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 09:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
This is interesting. I'll bet you the Star Trek wiki (if there is one even, I haven't looked) lists at least the major things where continuity is broken within the universe. (If they don't, maybe they should....) Internal inconsistencies are pretty interesting to most people. Creators of a universe also create a world of "fact" which is bound to certain expectations; when the facts fall short of those expectations, it's clearly notable. I see this page as a place to list all the major issues where "Homestar geeks" (read: geekier than us) would argue about which way of looking at things is the one best supported by the canon. I say allow this to develop for a while; if it does, '''keep'''. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 10:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

If this page is kept, it should be renamed [[Wikipedia:Retcon|Retcons]]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:11, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

::Technically, a "retcon" is not when the creators merely contradict themselves, but when they indicate that the new version of "reality" is the correct one. For example, if TBC released a toon telling how Strong Bad and Homestar were friends in their childhood, that may be considered a retcon as it intentionally changes the account from [[flashback]]. The Strong Sad navel drilling might be part of a retcon. But the disk space of the Lappy changing isn't really a retcon, by my read of its definition. And The Cheat being unable to say "Dennis" yet being able to voice characters in his animations is a close call. Additionally, not only is "inconsistencies" a bit more wide-reaching than "retcon" but is a more well-known term that will be a bit more accessible to readers not up on words not found in the Oxford Dictionary. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:57, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

:Long live this page! The more the merrier!--[[User:Theyellowdart|Theyellowdart]] 16:53, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
::I don't consider all the site's inconsistencies as "goofs"; the main reason being that inconsistencies often appear between two or more different toons (or games), whereas goofs happen in one toon only. For example, the Trogdor-Peasant's Quest inconsistency (see article) is, of course, between [[TROGDOR!]] and [[Peasant's Quest]]. An example of a goof (or, in this case, a remark) would be Strong Sad's "covered bridge" obsession seen in [[Fall Float Parade]], which began and ended in one cartoon. My bottom line is that there ''is'' a difference, and I therefore vote '''No Delort.''' — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 14:58, 4 December 2006
:::There, I just added an inconsistancy in the King of Town DVD Commentary. I think this is enough info for '''no deletion'''. Keep this page. I found it useful. --[[User:Theyellowdart|Theyellowdart]] 21:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

So is it okay to take the {{tl|tobedeleted}} template off now? It's been over two weeks. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 00:53, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
:I believe that would be a good idea. Now about that moving. I don't think that the name needs to be changed.--[[User:H*Bad|H*Bad]] 03:02, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

I just want to note that if you are looking for how a specific toon is inconsistent with another, it would be better to look under that toon's "remarks" section, not its "goofs" section. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 01:00, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Sad's Apparel ==

*There are several places where Strong Sad wears a "one-time type" article of clothing, ("The Blue Ones," "The Sturge" t-shirt, the two Geddup Noise shirts, etc). I think these should be left out in this section. The "wildebeest pheromones in his laundry" is more consistent with the whole"inconsistency" thing, because it's as though he's saying he ''always'' wears clothes (I think. Sorry, but I'm having trouble explaining what I mean.) I think there's another instance of this type of discrepancy, but I can't remember where it is... [[User:4kai2lyn6|kai lyn]] 22:37, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
*True dat. I made that edit. Leave it out, then... {{User:Theyellowdart/sig}}
*Yeah. wait, why does his laundry only have to be his clothes? why not things like towels, etc.
[[User:Im a bell|Im a bell]] 01:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

== Compy screen width and length ==

It's been very inconsistent, through the main Strong Bad view, and through examples in [[replacement]] and [[huttah!]]. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 00:02, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

What I mean is the width has been 4:3'd at times and then it's a bit wider... --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 00:03, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
:Hm. It's true. I say it can go on the page. Anyone else? {{User:Theyellowdart/sig}}

== The chair ==

Here's one to add: In [[the chair]], Strong Bad gets a new chair, but in [[what i want]], he's back to the stool.

That's not an inconsistency, Strong Bad just went back to Stooly. --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 12:07, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

== Tongue or no tongue? ==

I just realized: In the DVD version of Homestar Runner's theme song video, Homestar sticks out his tongue while figuring out an answer for the test, but there are TONS of times when he says words with the letter "L" in them without lifting it.
Not to mention Strong Mad, who had his tongue out while carving "DAGRON" on the table, but no tongue present when he says "L" words or any words with "L" in them. See also Remarks in [[retirement]]. This whole description should count as a long-lasting inconsistency, shouldn't it?
-(Feb. 3, 2007)
:This delves into the topic of "cartoon physics". In short, we don't know the method these "dumn animal characters" use to produce the phoneme /l/. One might assume it's the same as we do, given the presence of a tongue, but that's not necessarily the case. When two apparently conflicting facts can in some way coexist within a cartoon, that's not really an inconsistency in my mind. When they cannot be reconciled based on each simply having to be impossible given the other, that's an inconsistency. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 15:43, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

== Anti Chicken-Wings ==
I think it's kind of unnecessary to be arguing over the "chicken wings" thing. I made this article for inconsistencies and goofs IN-BETWEEN TWO DIFFERENT TOONS, not within the same toon. That's the Goofs section. If we really can't decide, then someone should STUFF it.{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 03:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you for enforcing that. I thought it was just another case of crazy cartoon logic. If we counted that, we'd probably have to count the fact that Coach Z develops a 5 o'clock shadow in less than 10 seconds in [[Decemberween Short Shorts]], or maybe even that the Brothers Strong don't bear any similarity. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:11, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
::Another thing related to this that annoyed me was that before I became Bad Bad Guy, I asked if it was OK to put unnatural on [[History according to Strong Bad]] (except back then it was Strong Bad Lore), DorianGray told me it fit "just fine" on Inconsistencies, even though it was already deleted. He didn't even tell me why he thought that. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 19:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

== Senior Prom "Inconsistency" ==
I would argue that it's not an inconsistency for Strong Bad to say he never wears underwear, only to be revealed wearing underwear in [[senior prom]]. I mean, we don't know how many years earlier that toon is. That's like someone saying "I never wear diapers," and being called a liar because they wore diapers as a baby. Sure, to be more accurate he could've said, "I never wear underwear ''anymore''", but I'm still not sure. [[User:Michelle Mabelle|Michelle Mabelle]] 11:04, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

== The Spooky Woods ==

Does it count if in Where's the Cheat, the woods are still spooky even though it isn't Halloween, but in Happy Hallow-day, they are in a gentler state?
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It's strange to me that The Spooky Woods is undetermined whether or not is it was not spooky during the day or not as for the fact that it was not determined whether or not Strong Mad was looking during the day.-- [[User:Ang the Ephemeral|Ang the Ephemeral]] 4:39, 12 March 2007
:Well, if no one responds to [[Talk:Inconsistencies within the Homestar Runner universe#The Spooky Woods|what I write]] I assume it means there are no objections. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 00:20, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
::Also, when I tried to write it in the Hallow-day article, it got deleted for the reason of "it belongs on that page." [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 18:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Since it's not ''Halloween'' in Where's The Cheat, it might be expected from Hallow-day that the Spooky Woods on a normal night would look like a nighttime version of that scene. I hope that didn't sound like speculation. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 18:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::The line in the article about how the woods looks spooky when its not halloween, and comparing it to how it doesnt look spooky when it is halloween, but its not dark out ... that doesnt make a lick of sense -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 07:12, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

== highschool ==

I'm a little curious if the highschool inconsistencies are still worth keeping even though it's been confirmed they aren't true. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:24, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

== Image idea ==

A comparison between the shotgunned Compy in virus and retirement, similar to that in the article of the latter. Give me your thought, even if it's something like, "This article doesn't need an image" [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 00:49, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
:Or even better, Pom Pom jumping Strong Badia in [[Summer Short Shorts]], revealing a forest to its left, and King Bubsgonzola Supreme stomping past Strongbadia in [[unnatural]], revealing the castle where the forest should be. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 23:02, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
::I just found out that was a different side of Strong Badia, so I'll go with a comparison between the [[Bear Holding a Shark]] scaring The Cheat, and [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]] revealing the Bear can not be seen from behind the fence. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 06:47, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
:::I kinda can't get the images myself... [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:53, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

== Why not just "Inconsistencies"? ==

I had moved it there, but the misguided Loafing changed it back, for some reason. Is there any reason at all for the title to be the long, drawn-out, painfully fanboy-esque "Inconsistencies Within the Homestar Runner Universe" and not just "Inconsistencies"? If so, please state why here. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}} 11:11, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
:The phrase Homestar Runner universe was recently used in a sketchbook update, it's not that fanboy-esque or painful. Anyway, I think the current title works well. Inconsistancies isn't really specific enough. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 11:26, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

:Darth, you know very well that so far, your attempts to rid the wiki of the term "universe" have been unsuccessful. And I'm not going to start discussing this all over again. If you move pages without discussion because you think that "universe" is "jargon", then you know that the majority of the editors will oppose the move, and this is disruptive, unacceptable behaviour. This also goes for personal attacks. Consider this your last warning.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

::Now, taking a step back from the whole universe issue, I believe the long title should stay. While we don't have titles such as [[Running Gags Within the Homestar Runner Universe]], and while [[Inconsistencies]] would actually be sufficient, I believe that "Inconsistencies Within the ... Universe" gives the article an edge. The idea of inconsistencies within the fabric of the universe is way more interesting than just inconsistencies.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

:::That is a very bigoted way to look at it. The article itself mentions namedrops the term "Homestar Runner universe," isn't that enough? Inconsistencies is ''concise'' and gets the point across perfectly. It doesn't take beating readers over the head to make them experience the cool atmosphere of the words "Homestar Runner universe" (which is, regardless of its canon status, jargon). Beating readers over the head with the term may also mislead them to think that it is a key element of homestarrunner.com. So, in short, any reason left to oppose its move is completely childish and unencyclopedic in every way. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}} 15:28, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

::::Also, while I find your desire to give the article's name an "edge" admirable, I must oppose it as well. Should I give myself an "edge" by describing myself as a fourty-year-old football player who surfs the web in NOFX undies and has a thing for beef jerkie? No, I'd rather be thoroughly honest and describe myself as the boring emo rudie that I am. Besides, I could get in trouble for that. {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}}

:::::I'd like to get some votes. So, uh, please vote!

:::::Here are some reasons why "Inconsistencies" is better: 1) it's shorter, 2) it's more concise, 3) yes, they're within Homestar Runner. Duh! Yeah, I thought it was a list of alleged inconsistencies within the Bible.

:::::Why to stick to the name I don't care to type out because it's so lengthy but just typed more by avoiding it: 1) it's more, erm, "edgy." It makes people feel like there's more to Homestar Runner than a website about a pale-skinned, alien hipster.

:::::Votez, plz! {{User:Darth Katana X/sig}} 14:54, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Loafing. Furthermore, DKX, your one-person vendetta against the perfectly good use of the term "H*R universe" has really gotten old. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:24, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

While I understand your ridiculous personal vendetta against making references to the Homestar Runner universe for its redundancy, the pharse is actually valid in this scenario. Obviously, the inconsistencies are relating to Homestar Runner. You're misinterpreting the meaning of the title as "Inconsistencies Related to the Homestar Runner Universe". If this article was just "Inconsistencies", it would be implying intra-cartoon inconsistencies, which is what the Goofs section of every email, toon, short, or anything else is for. This is inter-cartoon inconsistencies, meaning ones that traverse one or more cartoons. Inconsistencies would be too inspecific for that specific purpose. Although you may not be able to see it from your single-mindedness, the average reader of the wiki would subconsciously observe the liminal differences as they thought about what the content of the page would be. I believe I created this one, and I'm sure that I intended the title to contain "Homestar Runner universe" within it.{{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 00:40, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
:Darth, we're really trying to give you a second chance here. Even if you're completely and totally opposed to the term "Homestar Runner Universe", that doesn't mean you need to proclaim it to the whole world in a very rude manner over and over (and over) again. We've all had our share of things we don't like. I personally don't like that [[Wilbur|this article]] exists, but I didn't make a huge deal about it. I was frustrated for awhile and then just let it go. That's what you need to do. Majority pretty much rules around here, so if you're the only one that doesn't like this title (and you are), you just need to get over it and move on to better, more important things. We're trying to give you opportunities to do that, but if you don't take them, people will never respect you. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 00:52, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

== what I want ==

I must have read Strong Sad's Lament 5 or more times by now, and I can't find a post where he claims he doesn't dress. What date is it from? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:40, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

:Last line of the entry titled "The Curse of Keen Eyes - 08.19.04" It's on the [[HR:/sadjournal/index.html|first page]]. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 21:43, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
::I see it now. Thanks. That took way less time than it did when I posted it on the talk page for Lament. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:00, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

== Powered by The Cheat Voices ==

How do we know for sure if this is ''actually'' The Cheat making these voices? It could be one of those programs where you type in the text and it says it for you. - {{User:Pants 3000/sig}}
:I think they said it in an interview that The Cheat voices his own cartoons. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:59, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
::It may have been just an idea that's now abandoned or unused. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 19:10, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Well, I remember reading on (I think) the [[Powered by The Cheat]] page that he did his own voices for that. I'll look into it. - {{User:Pants 3000/sig}} 13:16, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
:It was mentioned in [[Club Aquatica Interview - 29 Oct 2003|this interview]].

== Reasons for my removal of these things ==

*[[Old-Timey]] — It is debatable whether or not color exists in their universe.
**[[Ballad of The Sneak]] claims that The Sneak is yellow like his modern-day counterpart, The Cheat, but when characters from the Old-Timey universe and other universes such as modern [[Free Country, USA]] and [[20X6]] travel between each others' worlds in toons such as [[alternate universe]] and [[20X6 vs. 1936]], the Old-Timey characters are still black and white, while other characters retain their colour in the Old-Timey universe.

This is not an inconsistancy as much as it is making fun of the differences between Old-Timey and modern day. Basically, the old timey ones can see color somehow, but do not appear in color.

*[[The King of Town DVD Commentary]] — Strong Bad claims [[The King of Town]] "lives in like some two bedroom job, like, next door to me", when in [[Where's The Cheat]], [[the bet]], and numerous other places, The King is shown living in his castle, not in the house Strong Bad proclaimed.

This is strong bad saying it, clearly he's demeaning the king baselessly.

*[[The King of Town DVD Commentary]] — Strong Bad also claims that Homestar can't read, and doesn't know the alphabet. But Homestar reads and writes in a number of toons, including [[Arcade Game]], [[50 emails]], and [[Cool Things]].

Same argument as before, but even more so.

*Email [[cheat talk]] — Strong Bad claims that [[The Cheat]] can't learn English, but The Cheat went on to make a number of cartoons with English voice acting.

Speculation that the voices come from the cheat. Remember, he uses macs. Macs have better text-to-speech programs than windows, and has some pretty realistic voices. I know this, not because i am a mac user, but because the principal of my highschool, (er, high school) was. One time i got in trouble for fighting with another kid and we got sent to his office, and he didn't say a word the entire time. He had his computer talk for him. I later found out it was actually a tactic to get us to calm down. It worked, because when we left we weren't fighting anymore, just making fun of what a weirdo the principal was. Okay, long tangential rant over. Next removed fact.

*[[Peasant's Quest]] — Trogdor says that he is invincible, but in [[TROGDOR!]], he can be killed by touching a knight or an arrow.

People claim to be invincible all the time and they're not. The titanic was unsinkable, remember?

*Email [[senior prom]] — After Strong Bad's pants are poofed away, he wears boxer shorts, but in [[New Boots]], he reminds The Cheat that he doesn't wear underwear.

Duh! he DOESN'T! That's what he looks like under his pants. Just like the mask and boxing gloves are his face and hands! Just kidding. I didn't actually remove this one.

*Email [[time capsule#Commentary Transcript|time capsule]] (DVD commentary) — Marzipan revealed that Homestar Runner's middle name was Hal, but in [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]] Marzipan calls Homestar "Homestar Michael Runner".

Shortly after, she corrects herself and says that's her pet name for him. I contend that Hal can be a short pet name for Michael.

[[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 05:48, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think most of those are legitimate. That the characters are lying is a possible explanation for the inconsistancies, not a reason why they're definitely not. I can think of explanations for a lot of the things listed on this page. Anyway, there was an interview where they stated that The Cheat does the voices for his cartoons. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 09:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

::Well, that's another issue that i've never seen addressed. What exactly is considered [[wikipedia:Canon (fiction)|canon]] and what isn't? I personally think that interviews and DVD commentaries should be left out. They can say stuff in interviews that can be scrapped later, and they're really not connected with them directly. In fact, this line:
:::A [[20X6]] version of Trogdor, called [[Trogador]], was revealed at the [[NYU Talk - 1 Mar 2005|NYU Talk]], but did not appear in the Homestar Runner canon until [[Happy Trogday]] was released on the third anniversary of Trogdor's debut.
::appears [[Trogdor|here]] implying that we ''don't'' consider interviews to be canon. As for the commentaries, they are impromptu, spur-of-the-moment type of things. A forum for them to say off the wall things about each particular toon, just for the sake of hilarity. I think this topic of dual standards (or maybe lack of official standards on the subject) should be discussed further. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 18:09, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
:::P.S. The only other two mentions of the word canon on this site are in [[best thing]] referring to the canon of sherlock holmes, not HR, and [[The Homestar Runner Mysfit-steries]] which says that strong bad's memories cannot be considered canon. There needs to be a category on the [[HRWiki:Standards|standards page]] concerning what is and is not considered canon. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 18:12, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't think the King's castle and Trogdor being invincible should count either. It's possible the King uses that apt offscreen and that Trogdor is lying. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:19, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

One reason the old-timey color thing could stay is that Old-Timey Strong Bad called modern SB a "brightly colored buffoon." [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 19:43, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Sad's writing ==

WRiting really tiny and READING really tiny are 2 different things. WIthout the comical magnifying glass, he'd have no reason to write tinily in his notebook..
:What does reading have to do with anything? The inconsistency is that he wrote a novel on a grain of rice, but it took him two pages of that notebook for him to write one word. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]]
::He was writing a note to himself, so he writes at a size he can read. It's hardly an inconsistency.

== Resolve the cliffhanger please. Thanks. ==

*Email [[cliffhangers]] — Coach Z attempts to reveal the [[Thnikkaman]]'s "secret sorcret identity" by removing his [[Cool Shades|cool shades]], but in [[monument]], Bubs (as the Thnikkaman) takes off his shades without his identity being compromised. 
I think this is debatable because we do not know if Coach Z has already seen The Thnikkaman without his shades. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:39, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
:It's also debatable in that it might be the removing of the shades that makes <s>him lose his ability to fly</s> his identity revealed. Anyway, Strong Bad and The Cheat were pretty distracted, and that may be why the removal of glasses doesn't give the identity away. On the other hand, Strong Bad might be playing along totally, whereas Coach Z is actually fooled. There are a lot of possible scenarios here, and none of them allow for the kind of contradiction a valid entry on this article would display. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:48, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
::So you want me to put it back, or keep it off, or what? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 17:00, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
:::It's likely that everyone is fooled by the Thnikkaman costume in monument. The reason is not because of the cool shades, but the large "TH" sign taped to his chest probably "keeps his identity secret" in the minds of Strong Bad and Coach Z. {{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 14:56, 11 May 2007 (UTC)

== Teeth? ==

I read that the underlings/theme song thing regarding Homestar's teeth was put up and then deleted. I believe it is also notable that the part of theme song where Homestar had teeth was within Strong Bad's imagination. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Ever and More

JamesDean — Sun, 01 Jul 2007 21:02:59 GMT

JamesDean: /* Power Play */

=="Cold Ones Light" poster==
In the background of when Homestar opens the meeting, there's a poster for "Cold Ones Light." The logo looks remarkably familiar but I can't put my thumb of what brand it's suppose to be parodying. Anyone know? I think it should go in the "Real World References" part, perhaps. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

:Reminds me of the [http://images.google.com/images?q=old%20style%20beer Old Style beer logo], but that's a Wisconsin/Chicago area brew, so I'm not sure that TBC would be familiar with it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 08:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

:On the other hand, it is ''very'' close — it has the red and blue diagonal background on a shield, a similar font, and a red ribbon coming from the bottom. I think this is too similar to be a coincidence, so I'm gonna add it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 08:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

::I personally think it's just a coincidence, but I don't mind leaving it for the time being; at least until further discussion is made regarding it. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 13:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I dunno, they look too similar to me to pass it off as mere coincidence... -{{User:YK/sig}} 18:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

== Gallery of Helmets ==

Should there be a gallery of the helmets the Brothers are wearing?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 08:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:I second that idea, but I haven't had much luck figuring out most out the helmets.{{User:Geshmalderborgen/sig}} 21:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

::I agree; this is a good idea, though I think it could go [[Broternal Order of Different Helmets]] (which describes what each helmet is) Most (all?) of the helmets probably have pictures uploaded at pages like [[The Cheat Other Costumes]], etc. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

== Loading, Friend ==

Is there any reason why the loading screen for this toon is "loading, friend,". If there is, please post it [[Irregular Loading Screens|here]]. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 11:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
*Probably because this toon is about a type of Brotherhood. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 13:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
It reminds me of Cheers, but thats probably just me.--{{User:Slipstream/sig}} 10:21, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
A general principle of fraternal organizations is that all the members are equal. To call someone by their "real world" title could break that illusion, so replacements like "friend", "brother", "comrade", "member" and others are substituted. -- Septyn

== The Pants Lawsuit ==

I have severe doubts about that reference. For one, the dry cleaners lost his lucky pants, Bubs just can't fit in them. And for two, The Brothers Chaps very rarely make references to current news stories, one so innocuous as this one wouldn't be a prime candidate for an exception. We're ''really'' stretching it here.

:I agree with your skepticism; here's the fact as I removed it, in case people disagree. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 12:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
<blockquote>
Bubs's remark about being in a bad mood because he hasn't been able to fit his lucky pants might be a reference to a news story about a Washington DC Judge who sued a dry cleaner for $54 million dollars for losing his 'lucky' pants. The case was thrown out June 25, 2007 - one day before this toon was posted.
</blockquote>

== doodoo ==

The transcript currently says that Strong Bad says "that's horse pocky, you fools!" I'm 99.9% sure that it's actually "horse pucky", which is semi-obscure slang for horse poop, aka a variation on bullsh-t. Not only does this make more sense than "horse pocky", but one of the characters on M*A*S*H used to say it, and references to 70s/80s sitcoms are pretty standard on this site. - [[User:Uglinessman|Ugliness Man]] 13:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:Agreed. It should be changed. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 13:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
::Also agreed; I changed it to "horse puckey". {{User:Trey56/sig}} 13:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:::The M*A*S*H character you're referring to is [[Wikipedia:Colonel Potter|Colonel Potter]]. --[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 04:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
::::If memory serves, Colonel Potter's expression was "horse hockey." --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 16:43, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Potter does (well, did) indeed use the term "Horse hockey." However, Strong Bad clearly says "Pucky" on this toon. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 02:34, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
::::Could it also be a variation of bullhonkey? That's what I immediately thought of when I first heard it. --[[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 12:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::Actually, Col. Potter had a wide variety of similar expressions. I'm sure there's a list somewhere. --[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 03:16, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

== BUBRUB! ==

Remember that news broadcast about the "whistle tips"? [http://youtube.com/watch?v=eSOSJ68xOBA It's on YouTube]. The guy's name on the news is Bubb Rubb. Maybe I'm just grasping at straws and the ointment is only named after Bubs himself, but when he held it up and I read the label, I immediately thought, "The whistles go whooooo!" [[User:William|William]] 14:19, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

-I don't think so. Rubs and ointments are a common theme through the Homestar Runner series, given that 'Bub(s)' rhymes with 'rub', I don't think any further explanation is needed. [[User:194.80.32.10|194.80.32.10]] 14:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

::Personally, I'm willing to allow it, because it is a fairly well-known meme. It ''might'' be a coincidence, but I think it's fairly likely that it's not. I'd leave the fact, but make sure it says that it ''could'' be a reference rather than it ''is'' a reference. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 17:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I strongly disagree with this reference and I think it should be STUFF'd, if not removed outright. Thank you. --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 19:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Why do you disagree with it so strongly? The Bubb Rubb meme was, as 0rion pointed out, fairly popular, and even though rubs and ointments are a common occurrence in the H*R series, I think it's still likely to be an intentional reference. It's at least likely enough to warrant inclusion with the qualifier that it may possibly be a reference. If you feel so strongly against it, please explain your reasoning. [[User:72.248.107.194|72.248.107.194]] 14:55, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:I just felt the reference was a total stretch. Some folks are quick to call "real-world reference" just because it reminds them of something they've seen before, with no regard for relevance. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. I see this was STUFF'd and declined unanimously before I even had a chance to vote, so obviously I wasn't alone on this. --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 16:41, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
::It's not a total stretch if it reminds people of the meme. The Brothers Chaps are very internet guys, and I'm sure they've seen it. If it makes it as a reference, here's a decent link to accompany it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KRON-TV#Bubb_Rubb -- [[User:Rueful|Rueful]] 20:57, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:::It didn't make it, though. It has already been declined in STUFF. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:59, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
::::I checked the STUFF page, and it was decided within five hours of being posted. I didn't even know it was on there until after it was already closed. It seems to me that it should be on there for at least a couple of days so that folks can know about it and discuss it. I'm not trying to be annoying about this, I just think that there are people who think that it is an intentional reference, and those people would have voted "Accept" if they'd known it was on the STUFF page. Even if the "Decline"'s still win, which I think they probably will, even with a longer vote, it seems unfair that there was such a brief window in which to actually vote. --[[User:Huitzilopochtli|Huitzilopochtli]] 21:52, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::This isn't the best place to discuss anyone's doubts in the STUFF process, but there were no supporting votes or arguments presented for that fact at all. The precedent in STUFF is that an item is "swiftly and unanimously declined" in that scenario. Surely ''someone'' would have supported it in that time frame if any numbers which could have outvoted at least 18 people were going to. I also want to point out that the STUFF notice was appropriately placed in the Fun Facts section. Anyone who wanted to review the STUFFed fact had that opportunity in that time frame - a high-activity time frame, as it happens. Again, out of all the registered users who could have, none supported it. Anyway, I think the fact was given a fair hearing and could never have achieved acceptance based on the way it went.
:::::Additionally, there's no purpose in holding a vote open if the outcome is clear. This is not like a presidential election or anything, where our future and security ride in the balance, and stopping voting early because there's a clear outcome is a violation of voters' rights. This is a STUFF vote for the purpose of determining consensus. Once consensus is reached, there's no reason to continue the exercise. Not that others' votes are unwanted, but because they are unneeded. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:07, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I also feel that the STUFF process should have longer voting windows; I had no idea that this process even existed, and by the time I found out, it was too late. In addition, I can't wait until someone hears from the Brothers Chaps that it was, in fact, a reference to Bubb Rubb.[[User:Maristredfox|Maristredfox]] 21:13, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

:Duly noted. Almost all STUFF items are open for a minimum of 3-4 days, and even longer if there isn't at least a 10-vote difference by that point. In cases where there is about a 20-vote difference before then, however, they are promptly closed. These guidelines have worked well so far, so we'll keep following them. However, we'll try to be sensitive to ensuring that the minority has had a fair chance to voice their position.

:Have you tried [mailto:brotherschaps@homestarrunner.com emailing the Brothers Chaps]? I'm not sure that they'd respond about this, but it couldn't hurt... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:21, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

::I fail to see how anyone could think that this is NOT a reference to the whistling muffler guy. There was no point to Bubs's story except to bring out the tube, that was the culmination of his story, and there was no reference after it. Either they went on his story diversion simply so they could say "the word 'Bubs' rhymes with 'rub' and for no apparent reason his name is on the label...." Or...since this is TBC, they made a diversion for an inside joke\cultural reference\past references. That's what they do. This is a reference.--[[User:71.203.169.248|71.203.169.248]] 22:02, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Okay, it's possibly a reference. "Possible" references are not notable because they'd be innumerable -- limited only by our collective imagination. Hey, there was a dartboard in the "Cheers" bar, so the dartboard must be a Cheers reference! The fact is, none of us are mind readers (I think), and the BUBRUB joke still works even if you never heard of Bubb Rubb, so it's a superfluous reference at best. I doubt TBC will ever tell; they're too busy laughing at us. --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 00:19, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
:Re the comment "I can't wait until someone hears from the Brothers Chaps that it was, in fact, a reference to Bubb Rubb" - this has indeed happened in the past, where a STUFFed fact's status was overturned by incontrovertible evidence. Of course, the STUFF process is not perfect. But, no amount of voting by us can accurately divine what TBC's intentions were. We do the best we can, and that's about all we can do. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:58, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
::I think that's perfectly reasonable. My main issue was really the idea of the HR wiki community, and making sure that things are done fairly. It's certainly true that lives do not hang in the balance of this decision. However, what ''is'' at stake is new members' perceptions of this community. This Fun Fact was my first contribution, and I had no idea what the "official" process was. The initial response to the fact seemed, to me, downright hostile. People pounced on it, held a vote for a few hours while I was offline, and declared it "swiftly and unanimously declined". It felt as though I'd just vandalized the site, which I hadn't since I honestly believe that the fact is valid. It also felt as though if I weren't one of the main and most active editors, nothing I do will matter. I realize now that's not the case, and for the most part, the membership here seems very reasonable and friendly. I do appreciate that the vote was re-opened. I knew it would be declined anyway, but the real issue was being able to contribute to the discussion in a meaningful way. By the same token, this is a community, and if the community declines the reference after hearing all arguments for and against it, then that's fair, pending any divine intervention from TBC. I realize how insignificant this one issue is. It does, however, have an effect upon those involved, and we should be aware of how our actions might snowball into trends that will turn people away. That said, I think this situation, all told, was handled reasonably. I, for one, will put it to bed and move on to more important and interesting things in my life :) [[User:Huitzilopochtli|Huitzilopochtli]] 15:19, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

There was no reason whatsoever that the vote should have been reopened, and shame on whoever decided to do it. 18 decline votes in one day is a pretty obvious thing meaning that the fact shouldn't stand. Facts have been closed in the past with fast accepts or fast declines, why was this particular one different? --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 19:28, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
: Not to [[User:It's Dot Com|point fingers]] or anything, but the vote's already been re-closed with the same consensus. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:07, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

:Looking back at the situation, I think it turned out well. When the fact was closed, there was a big disparity between this talk page discussion (4-1 people in favor of the fact) and the STUFF vote (18-0 against the fact). The reason for this is that seasoned users both know how the STUFF process works better and are more likely to decline a given fact. I entirely understand why Huitzilopochtli and others felt left out of the process, and the fact that he is satisfied with the process in the end makes its reopening worth it, in my eyes. We need the contributions of new users and don't want to turn them away.

:At the same time, reopening of facts should be rare — I take this event not as precedent for regularly reopening facts in the future, but a strong reminder to give reasonable facts (as this one was) a little more time in the STUFF process, even when there's a majority of votes against them, and especially when there's good reason to believe that most of the supporters of the fact haven't had a chance to vote. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:30, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
::Umm... "shame on whoever decided to do it"? That's completely unnecessary and unhelpful to say. It was opened to allow for a much clearer consensus (since five hours is, indeed, a very short window of opportunity), which is exactly what we got, and otherwise no change. Please don't demean others that way. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 23:59, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

:::Yes, shame on whoever decided to do it. I'm sorry, but that's the way I feel about this whole situation. Facts are closed faster than this one was if the votes are so much. And why bother to reopen it if the result is going to be the same no matter what? I could understand if there were people who could've voted yes and swung it in the other direction, but it didn't need to be done here. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 05:10, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

::::Chill. This type of language is neither appropriate in this situation, nor acceptable. There was no need for a personal attack, and really no need to repeat it. It's perfectly fine to disagree with the decision, but please say so in a mature and civil manner. The fact was re-opened as a courtesy, a concept that you might want to familiarize yourself with.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 05:33, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

:::::Not cool, Loafing. Don't make assumptions about my character just because I don't agree with something. I drop it now. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 05:37, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

::::::Did you read my post? I said it's perfectly fine to disagree with the decision. Nobody is judging you by your opinion on re-opening the STUFF, and I hope you don't judge or deride user who have a different opinion from you. There is a clear and important difference between someone's opinion and his person or character. If you keep that in mind, then future discussions will hopefully be more pleasant. And now I'll go and do something more fun.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 05:54, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Reminder: this is a wiki about dumb animal characters. If not everything runs exactly as it should, it doesn't really need to. Let's all have a nice cup of tea and sit down. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 06:04, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

== Coldson like Molson? ==

Could the Coldson Lite can be a reference to Molson beer?
:Yes. The connection is already mentioned on the [[Cold Ones]] page, actually. -{{User:YK/sig}} 18:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

== The Name ==

The name should be changed. I think something like "B.O.D.H." or "The Helmet Club" would be better until it shows up on the main page. I don't think ever and more was at all a significant part of the toon. [[User:D&d greg|D&d greg]] 20:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

:We usually use the names as they appear on the [[HR:toons.html|official toons menu]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

:: Oh yeah sorry. I hadn't cleared my cache and I didn't see anything on the toons menu. [[User:D&d greg|D&d greg]] 21:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

== Homsar in the cast? ==

Should Homsar be in the Cast of Characters? It's a picture of him, not the actual Homsar, after all. [[User:Nsayer|Nsayer]] 22:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
:Yup, he's not there, and neither should he be. Linked in the stage directions is fine. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

:Only characters who actually are "acting" in the toon are in the cast, just like in real life. If you see a picture of the president on the wall of an office in a movie, is the president a cast member? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:00, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

== Legs?? ==
[[Image:Legs.png|thumb|60px|left]][[Image:NewestHomestar.png|thumb|60px]]
Did anyone watch this and think that Homestar's legs should have been visible a few times but were absent? Look at his...... waist, when he's backing away from the KoT, and also when they're doing the secret handshake. It's like they're not there. {{User:Salty/sig}} 22:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

:Whoa, freaky! Good eye, I'd add it, but you saw it first. [[User:Elkmiester||\|/[_}-Elkmiester-{_]\|/|]] 00:05, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

::I don't see a problem at all. His legs are not as wide as his torso, and they are usually more to the back of his body. See pictures. I'm gonna remove the fact.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:57, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

:::O.K., you're the sysoperson. [[User:Elkmiester||\|/[_}-Elkmiester-{_]\|/|]] 22:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

::::Erm, sysops aren't all-knowing, you know... Don't just accept my opinion because I'm a sysop.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:16, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I know, I just wanted to joke a little. And say Sysoperson. Sorry, I know you're normal people. [[User:Elkmiester||\|/[_}-Elkmiester-{_]\|/|]]
== The bar in the basement ==

Just a note: in this toon, a stairway leading upwards from [[the bar]] is revealed. So, it's likely that the bar is in the basement of some other building.
#Perhaps the most logical building for it to be the basement of is [[Bubs' Concession Stand]], as it is a commercial establishment and TBC alluded to the possibility of exploring it further after Bubs descended into it in [[geddup noise]] (see the DVD commentary).
#Another possibility is that Homestar leaves the meeting to go take a bath in what appears to be the [[Bathroom of the Brothers Strong]] (in which we have [[Homestar Presents: Presents|previously seen]] an old-fashioned bathtub. So, it might seem that the bar is in the basement of the [[House of the Brothers Strong]]. However, this seems unlikely since we have seen much of that basement already ([[Strong Bad's Basement]], [[Strong Bad's Room]]).
#Finally, it's possible that the bar is in the basement of [[Homestar Runner's House]]. In this case, it would seem that the bathroom Homestar goes to is his own, and that he, like Strong Bad has both an old-fashioned bathtub and a shower in his bathroom. Facts supporting this point of view are (a) Homestar has been seen most of the other appearances of the bar with Pom Pom, (b) it would make sense for Homestar to take a bath in his own tub, and (c) if Homestar is the Supreme Overlord of the [[Broternal Order of Different Helmets|Broternal Order]], it would make sense (though is not necessary) that he would hold meetings in his basement.

I think that one of these is intended, since they took the time to draw the staircase, but I'm not sure which one it is (I lean toward #1 and #3). Perhaps we'll have to wait for more data in future toons to decide. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:01, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd have to go with numbah one. It's a cool idea and makes perfect sense...Well, as much as a bald guy with no arms or pants. (Strong Mad) [[User:Elkmiester||\|/[_}-Elkmiester-{_]\|/|]]

:It's too easy to poke holes in these arguments though. Couldn't [[The Bar]] just be on X floor and the stairs lead up to X+1 floor? Why assume a basement? And why assume the bathroom is in the same building? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:10, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, there are too many unknowns to say anything for sure. It does seem like a basement though, as it lacks windows all around the room, and it's common for homes to have small bars or masculine-looking dens in their basements. Nevertheless, like you said, the arguments don't hold water on their own. We'll have to see if TBC ever address it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:19, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Until such time as we have a shred of evidence to go on, I've termed it "The Meetingplace of the Broternal Order" and left it at that. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:14, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

::::No, it's still [[The Bar]] that they're in. The same one as [[Theme Song Video]] and [[Summer Short Shorts]]. It's the same wood paneling, the same lamp, the same dartboard, and the same pennant on the wall. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:47, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

== tricycle recipe ==

here is a recipe for a tricycle fron surflounge.com/recipes
*Tricycle (TX Shooter)
**Equal parts:
**Midori
**Malibu
**Banana Liquer
**Milk
**Do not over pour milk or drink will suck!

 ive never heard of a tricycle recipe, but here one is...{{User:Csours/sig}} 01:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

==songs==

That club song is a recycled tune. The last time we heard it (last email) Homestar was hanging upside down singing "blacking out, blacking out, blacking out." & the easter egg song was from Disney's 'Duck Tales'.
:"The NeverEnding Story"? Don't think that's so. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, "blacking out, blacking out, blacking out" does sound kinda like "ever and more, ever and more, ever and more". --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 09:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I don't think it does. They sound somepletely different to me. The only similarity is repeating a phrase three times. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 02:38, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Homestar in the bathtub is a reference to DuckTales, and Homestar hanging upside down is a reference to The Never Ending Story. Ever and More was last used in [[the movies]] and should be mentioned under [[songs]]. [[User:Elkmiester||\|/[_}-Elkmiester-{_]\|/|]]

==Pirates of the Carribean==

If it was checkable, I'd bet money that the brothers chaps had that new pirates of the carribean movie as inspiration here. Anyone know what I'm talking about? [[User:68.44.199.208|68.44.199.208]] 02:27, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

:Not me, but fraternal organizations are a common entity in the US, so likely not a direct reference to any one film. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:31, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

::Having seen the movie, I see absolutely no connection whatsoever, but maybe that's just me. Not only is there no seen in the movie where there is a bathtub of gold, but none of the storyline or names are represented at all. No multiple manifestations of the main character, Marzipan is not used to represent either of the two major female characters who make the movie. Besides the fact that there is a closeknit brotherhood, drinking, group singing, and gold-- all reminiscent of virtually every pirate show since Pirates of Penzance, what part here makes you think of Pirates?--[[User:71.203.169.248|71.203.169.248]] 17:54, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

:I really doubt it. It reminds me of the Flintstones more than PotC (after all, the Loyal Order of Water Buffaloes wear funny helmets). Plus, this wasn't a group of bellicose chieftains trying to save their kind: it was a meeting of a fraternal organization. If it were checkable, I'd bet money that they didn't have PotC in mind. :) [[User:Pensivepoet.babblingbard|Pensivepoet.babblingbard]] 18:58, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

:My grandfather was a member of the [[Wikipedia:Moose International|Loyal Order of Moose]], and although I never attended a meeting, I always imagined the proceedings to be very similar to what we saw here. --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 03:55, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

== Brother of Town ==

This is like the first time that anyone's ever treated the King of Town with any respect at all. Homestar invited him up to demonstrate a secret handshake with them. Maybe this is just cuz he's the only one who could actually DO a 'secret handshake' since neither of em have hands. --[[User:Abelhawk|Abelhawk]] 04:21, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
: Seems fairly obvious, to me, that the KoT was simply chosen for the joke - he's the only main character present besides Homestar with no hands. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:41, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:: My first thought when Homestar said "handshake" was that Marzipan'd turn up, but I guess she wouldn't be in a brotherhood, what with the whole "female" thing and such... and I doubt Homsar would be able to pull off the whole handshake thing... so yeah, that only leaves KoT, out of the main 12. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 10:27, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
:::When Strong Bad and The Cheat practice it, they don't use their hands/arms, even though they ''clearly'' have them. A lack of visible arms is apparently not a factor. [[User:Neox|Neox]]
::::I think the joke is the have no visible arms, and then we see Strong Bad and The Cheat practice as if they also had no visible arms. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 17:21, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
The other reason the King of Town actually gets treated with respect is because within fraternal organizations like the Masons, everyone is equal, regardless of their profession or position in the outside world. This is also, in my opinion, the reason Homestar can be in charge (and it also makes that fact even funnier; even though he's the dim light bulb of the group, everybody has to respect him within the walls of the Order). [[User:Maristredfox|Maristredfox]] 01:53, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

== Rollover Minutes ==

It has been suggested we discuss this before STUFFing it. What do you think about keeping this as a reference to at&t (formerly Cingular) Wireless' Rollover feature? It is obviously true, but it could be taken by some readers as an advertisement for the company. Thoughts? I am for keeping it personally.
[[User:PlasticDiverGuy|PlasticDiverGuy]] 06:36, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
: Who, precisely, are you arguing with? I don't see that there's any disagreement over this fact. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

::I don't think the advertising factor is a problem — we're listing factual information to help explain the toon and linking to a non-commercial website. So, I think it should be okay. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

:PDG, I notice that you put on the STUFF page that this fact was added and removed. It was not removed; it was moved to a different place in Fun Facts. I think that might be the source of any confusion. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:58, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, I didn't think to look to see if it had been moved first. My bad guys for pouring Fweska over the entry. [[User:PlasticDiverGuy|PlasticDiverGuy]] 16:55, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

== Coach Z's Helmet ==

I have serious doubts on calling Coach Z's helmet a "Gladiator Helmet." The only distinctly gladiator helmet I know of is the Murmillo (fishman) helmet, and that certainly wasn't one. It kinda looks Greek (300 reference maybe?), but I'd guess it's either that or an early middle ages helmet (Saxon is what comes into my head). It's the nose guard. Not prevalent in a lot of roman helmets. I'm not extremely well informed on the subject, but it's just my thoughts, and I think it should probably just be called an iron war helmet or something.
:It's a barbute. Google it for pictures. Closest medieval helmet I could find, but the shape is distinct enough that I can say, beyond any reasonable doubt, that Coach Z's helmet was a barbute -- and therefore I edited this page and the Order's page.
::<s>I disagree. Wikipedia provides pictures way different from Coach Z's helmet. Although, I also have no idea what it could be. First thing I think of is knights of the medieval times...</s> Nope, nevermind. [[Wikipedia:Barbute|Wikipedia's]] description definitely shows Coach Z's helmet is a barbute. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 17:09, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

== Burping video game music ==

Strong Bad's comment about burping video game music reminded me immediately of Wakko Warner from [[Wikipedia:Animaniacs|Animaniacs]]'s performances burping out various songs, enough that I thought it could be a reference. I don't know if such a gag was specific to Wakko, though, so I thought I'd bring it up here first. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 19:45, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
:I'm pretty sure belching out songs is a very generic, if crude, joke. TTATOT. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:10, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

==Power Play==
power play could be a reference to fox news's power player of the week {{unsigned|Atomic1fire|06:01, 29 June 2007 (UTC)}}

[[Wikipedia:Power Play|Maybe. Maybe not.]] --[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 03:20, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Definitely, definitely not.
Probably the most famous usage of the word power play is in hockey where one team has one (or two) less players. But in this case, the word power play is a "play" for more "power". Strong Bad wants to have the power/responsibility of running the BODH. -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 21:02, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

== URGENT: "last's"????? ==

I turned up the volume and it sounded more like "last". --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 07:07, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

:I agree — I think it was just a typo. I fixed it in the transcript. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 07:16, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 13

JamesDean — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:10:25 GMT

JamesDean: /* Each and Every Boy */

==!==
*Oops. Looks like we got two images. Which one should we choose? I uploaded mine one minute before Techgeekmbg. --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 05:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== The bodyguard ==

Looks exactly like Olympic Man from issue 10. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 06:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Yup — that's what I put in the transcript. The blurred words on his shirt read "Olympic Man". {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Hotel balcony dangling reference ==

So, right now the following two real-world references are both in the article:
<blockquote>
* The Olympic Guy dangling The Ugly One from a hotel balcony is a reference to a widely-publicized event in 2002, when [[Wikipedia:Michael Jackson|Michael Jackson]] dangled his son from a hotel balcony;
* Dangling The Ugly One over the balcony is also a reference to [[Wikipedia:Vanilla_Ice|Vanilla Ice's]] claim that rap record producer [[Wikipedia:Suge_Knight|Marion "Suge" Knight]] hung him up upside down on a hotel balcony in order to get Vanilla Ice to turn over his royalties. This relates to the rapper Peacey P shown earlier in the episode.
</blockquote>
They can't both be true. When I first watched the toon, I thought of the Michael Jackson incident, but now that I think about it, the Vanilla Ice one makes sense. First, it fits with the rapper theme (Peacey P), and second, Olympic Man dangles The Ugly One by her ankles (Michael Jackson held his baby by the torso). Any thoughts? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Hm. I have to agree. I thought of Michael Jackson when I first watched the toon, too, but the Vanilla Ice thing, while I'd never heard of it beforehand, makes more sense in context. It's not quite TTATOT, and warrants mention, but... If I had to choose, I'd say go with the latter of the two. -{{User:YK/sig}} 07:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Although I also immediately thought of Wacko Jacko, the theme here is Hip-Hop, which Jacko is not. The latter makes more sense in context. It won't be long till this'll get STUFFed anyway. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 09:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know where to post this, cuz I'm editing on Wii and it won't let me start a new row. Peacy P's name must be a reference to Eazy-E of N.W.A, right? [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 09:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:No, it's more of a reference to "Doggy Dog" (as in "Snoop Doggy Dog"), which is whom Peacy P is parodying. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 09:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

But then again, I'm teekin bot the name, and since Eazy-E is both a rapper and rimes with Peacy P I'd guess that there's a reference here. [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 14:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I went and added the Jacko thing, but you can remove it if you like. (BTW you know he didn't really dangle his son right?) [[User:MJN SEIFER|MJN SEIFER]] 13:51, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

== goo goo is wah wah? ==

"Goo goo is ga-ga. Wah wah is ga-ga. Are all goo goos wah wahs?"

Algebraically, this is: "A = B, C = B, does A = C?"

Being that algebra is a popular thing to test for in the SAT's I thought I'd at least bring it up. Don't know if it's worth mentioning on the page though.--[[User:69.243.221.87|69.243.221.87]] 08:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

: That's not ''quite'' what that corresponds to (it's not an algebraic statement; it's a logical grouping statement) but, yeah, that it what they're talking about. Like you, I doubt it merits inclusion on the page. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, it's more the question of "Lions are Felines. Tigers are Felines. Are all Lions Tigers?" But I think it deserves some mention in the Fun Facts. Since it's an actual IQ question, I'm sure there's a few that wouldn't be able to really solve it (I know I had to think about it for a few seconds to work it out) which deserves being mentioned and solved in the Fun Facts. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 19:15, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Eau de toilette ==

Regarding the reference to the French "Toilet water" is it worth putting that this is only the literal translation, with the actual product being Cologne? Eg, Eau de toilette is French for Cologne, literally "Toilet water"

:Actually, it's not even a literal translation. The literal translation is "bathroom water." "Toilette" means "bathroom." {{unsigned|70.44.119.165|15:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)}}

::Well, "toilet" was used the sense meaning "a lady's dressing table and the various actions such as fixing her hair and putting on perfume and makeup" in English when the word was first borrowed, just as it did in French. In French and in English, the word evolved to mean either the bathroom itself or the commode precisely because it was originally a euphemism, like "powder-room." "Toilet water" is more of a vestigial remnant of that than a mistranslation. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet#Etymology

:: Also consider the word "toiletries" another surviving reference to this term. The use of "toilet" to mean something other than personal grooming and the area for it is 20th century English invention.

{{talk}}

== M.A.S.H.E.D.'.D ==
Says I that m.a.s.h. is not a reference to the TV show, but just to the video game practice of button mashing. This is reflected later with The Ugly One t.a.p.ing the TV remote.
:I agree — I considered this, but (1) M*A*S*H has asterisks, not periods between the letters, and (2) "m.a.s.h." has one after the last letter, whereas M*A*S*H does not. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::But here's the question: if they didn't put dots between MASH because of M*A*S*H, why else did they put them in? And even if it is a coincidence, couldn't we still mention it? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Unless someone can come up with a better explantion, i think that this is a good reference. If it gets STUFF'd...well, who cares -{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}

== Tompkins playing a GameBoy? ==
when Tompkins is shown playing with his virtual pet, it looks a heck of a lot like a GameBoy (original). anyone think this should be put somewhere? or am i just crazy? --[[User:EricTheDerek|EricTheDerek]] 14:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

:It's mentioned a few times in the transcript; do you think it should be mentioned elsewhere? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure there have been virtual pet games on the Game Boy, so maybe Tompkins is playing one of those. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:::There was actually a Tamagotchi game for GameBoy; I own it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:53, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::The transcript now says he's playing with a tamagotchi, not a game boy... is that normal? -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 15:48, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Is constant editing normal? Short answer - yes. Long answer - Very yes. - Xifihas (too lazy to log in)

== I have a crush on EACH AND EVERY BOY!! ==

Does anyone else think Cheerleader's saying "I'll call EACH AND EVERY BOY!!" is reminiscent of The Ugly One's saying "I have a crush on EVERY BOY!!"? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 19:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Door from Alice in Wonderland ==

The fact that the door of Tompkins' house is the door from the Alice in Wonderland cartoon - Real world reference? Also, the top row of cereal boxes in the pantries seem to be Count Chocula, Frankenberry, and Boo Berry, though admittedly crude Strong-Bad-ish renderings. → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … Y'all biscuitheads! 19:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Well, I see my addition of the Alice in Wonderland fact has been removed. It's pretty clear that the door on this cartoon is based on the talking door (the door knob being on the face of the talking door, not the face itself as the removal notice claims...) but I'm not going to get into a revert war on my first edit. :B → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … Y'all biscuitheads! 20:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::When the door's open, that looks like some Japanese there to me. Am I seein' things? Also, the sink looked like a zora (the oldstyle zoras) ... also, PCP?

== Real-World Overkill ==

Is the item "Caesars is a casino brand owned by Harrah's Entertainment" a little overkill on the real-world references? I don't think it's really necessary. --[[User:MadShrubbery|MadShrubbery]] 19:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
: I don't mind that. There may be some people who don't know what Caesar's is immediately. they may think of salad... not everyone is as smart as you and i

== Page Title Reference ==

I'm mostly certain that the page title is a reference to comedian Robin Harris' routine "Bebe's Kids" which became a movie in 1992.
:It's already listed in Real World Refs. [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 20:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Gold Digger ==

In explanations it explains what a gold digger is. When did they ever even say that in the toon? [[User:D&d greg|D&d greg]] 20:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
: It doesn't, really, but Momkins ''is'' dressed as a prospector. That's probably what the person who wrote that fact was thinking. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Would it be better to say "The fact that Momkins goes "prospecting" for ex-husbands refers to the concept of a "gold-digger", which is..."? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 21:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== She gone ==

Probably not worth noting other than here on the talk page, but the way "She gone" was said seems to be very similar to [[Wikipedia:Ken Harrelson|Hawk Harrelson]]'s strikeout call for Chicago White Sox games, "He gone!" Again, probably not noteworthy, but I was just curious if any other Midwesterners on here noticed that as well.[[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 21:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think it's a reference. There's no real context tying them together, and Strong Bad puts more emphasis on the second word ("She ''gone''"), whereas what's his face puts more stress on the first word ("''He'' gone"). (Man, I hate ''everything'' about the way that guy calls a game.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== PCP ==

this is the first and only refrence to drugs of any kind right? {{unsigned|68.164.230.188|23:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)}}

:Good question. There are quite a few references to [[alcohol]] and [[smoking]] and one possible, indirect reference to [[Talk:4 branches#Legalization?|marijuana]], but that's all I can think of. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, we have a whole article on [[drugs]]. Though most of them are the prescription kind. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:29, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:::There's also a (direct) reference to [[Scroll Button Songs#SB-2003-05-19|crack cocaine.]] So yeah, nothing new. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

==Each and Every Boy==

Isn't it a reference to TGS1? [[User:Awexome Cross|Awexome Cross]] 23:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Are you referring to "I have a crush on every boy" vs. "I'll call each and every boy"? If so, I mentioned that seven headings above this one, and no one replied. I also just found in the page history that it was added early Monday morning, and removed by an annony, because it wasn't the same person saying it. However, I think they're similar enough to merit a reference--same subject matter, same number of syllables, same inflection, same emphasis on the "EVERY BOY" -- any other opinions? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 19:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, i dont think so. Theres only so many ways to say things, it almost seems like they went out of their way to make it different -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 14:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

== Buttcrack Plumbing ==

Should we add a reference to the stereotype that plumbers show their, uh, hind quarters when they bend over? ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:48, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:I think most people should be able to pick up that joke just by the name "Buttcrack Plumbing"... it's a common stereotype. -{{User:YK/sig}} 03:34, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== P or E? ==

Peacey P's name could refer to either [[Wikipedia:Percee P|Percee P]] or [[Wikipedia:Eazy E|Eazy E]], but his note in the [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 13#Real-World References|Real-world references]] section and his entry in [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Peacey P|Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters]] didn't match. I've edited them to match, but we shouldn't keep them as "either-or" facts. Which one should we choose? — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 11:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:First one seems more likely to me. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 12:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
::Not sure, Eazy E seemed more popular. Peacey P prefers to be underground, whilst Eazy E has had "critical and commercial success". Then again, it's probably TTATOT. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 12:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

:I do not believe that the brothers Chaps has heard of Percee P, but who am I to say? [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 09:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:please for the love of crap let this be TTATOT -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 16:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== SAT ==

"Syllogisms are often found on the SAT."

Um... no they're not.

:Exactly, annony. They used to be ("old" SAT), but they got rid of them with the "New" SAT [[User:Coveredinharmony|CoveredinSuudzu]] 15:08, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== Snack mix with a monocle ==

I believe the snack mix wearing a monocle is a reference to Mr. Peanut, the mascot for the Planters company.
[[User:Nsayer|Nsayer]] 14:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:Isn't there a Clue character who wears a monocle? Am I thinking of Professor Plum? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 18:38, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
::I believe it was Colonel Mustard who wore a monocle. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:45, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== Release date ==

The release date for the toon should be Monday June 18th. I have the release time at about 35 minutes after midnight Eastern time (approx. Mon, 18 Jun 2007 04:34:54 GMT). I'm going to change it back to Monday per [[HRWiki:Standards#Summary]], as the "Sunday" on the [[Main Pages]] isn't correct. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:22, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== Deliberance ==

Isn't Peacey P's album title a portmateau of Deliberate and Deliverance
:It certainly is. A link to [[Portmanteaus]] is now in the fun facts. Thanks! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:17, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:I think its only a portmanteau by coincidence, unless those 2 words are extremely relevant to something. It just sounded like Peacey P was mumbling everything and Deliverance sounded like Deliberance so thats what they named it -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 14:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

== Blurring ==

"Olympic Man's jersey is blurred because trademarked logos on clothing are often obscured by the producers of television or music videos when they don't want the logos visible in the final product."

I believe it was either a reference to how the media censors swear words and other profantities, or because The Brothers Chaps wanted to test us wiki guys to see if we could figure out who the bodyguard is. [[User:76.5.105.107|76.5.105.107]] 06:19, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
:I've expanded the explanation to cover the spectrum of possibilities (logos, designs, words). (I don't think it was meant as a challenge to us.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 12:20, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 13

JamesDean — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:10:02 GMT

JamesDean: /* Deliberance */

==!==
*Oops. Looks like we got two images. Which one should we choose? I uploaded mine one minute before Techgeekmbg. --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 05:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== The bodyguard ==

Looks exactly like Olympic Man from issue 10. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 06:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Yup — that's what I put in the transcript. The blurred words on his shirt read "Olympic Man". {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Hotel balcony dangling reference ==

So, right now the following two real-world references are both in the article:
<blockquote>
* The Olympic Guy dangling The Ugly One from a hotel balcony is a reference to a widely-publicized event in 2002, when [[Wikipedia:Michael Jackson|Michael Jackson]] dangled his son from a hotel balcony;
* Dangling The Ugly One over the balcony is also a reference to [[Wikipedia:Vanilla_Ice|Vanilla Ice's]] claim that rap record producer [[Wikipedia:Suge_Knight|Marion "Suge" Knight]] hung him up upside down on a hotel balcony in order to get Vanilla Ice to turn over his royalties. This relates to the rapper Peacey P shown earlier in the episode.
</blockquote>
They can't both be true. When I first watched the toon, I thought of the Michael Jackson incident, but now that I think about it, the Vanilla Ice one makes sense. First, it fits with the rapper theme (Peacey P), and second, Olympic Man dangles The Ugly One by her ankles (Michael Jackson held his baby by the torso). Any thoughts? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Hm. I have to agree. I thought of Michael Jackson when I first watched the toon, too, but the Vanilla Ice thing, while I'd never heard of it beforehand, makes more sense in context. It's not quite TTATOT, and warrants mention, but... If I had to choose, I'd say go with the latter of the two. -{{User:YK/sig}} 07:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Although I also immediately thought of Wacko Jacko, the theme here is Hip-Hop, which Jacko is not. The latter makes more sense in context. It won't be long till this'll get STUFFed anyway. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 09:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know where to post this, cuz I'm editing on Wii and it won't let me start a new row. Peacy P's name must be a reference to Eazy-E of N.W.A, right? [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 09:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:No, it's more of a reference to "Doggy Dog" (as in "Snoop Doggy Dog"), which is whom Peacy P is parodying. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 09:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

But then again, I'm teekin bot the name, and since Eazy-E is both a rapper and rimes with Peacy P I'd guess that there's a reference here. [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 14:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I went and added the Jacko thing, but you can remove it if you like. (BTW you know he didn't really dangle his son right?) [[User:MJN SEIFER|MJN SEIFER]] 13:51, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

== goo goo is wah wah? ==

"Goo goo is ga-ga. Wah wah is ga-ga. Are all goo goos wah wahs?"

Algebraically, this is: "A = B, C = B, does A = C?"

Being that algebra is a popular thing to test for in the SAT's I thought I'd at least bring it up. Don't know if it's worth mentioning on the page though.--[[User:69.243.221.87|69.243.221.87]] 08:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

: That's not ''quite'' what that corresponds to (it's not an algebraic statement; it's a logical grouping statement) but, yeah, that it what they're talking about. Like you, I doubt it merits inclusion on the page. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, it's more the question of "Lions are Felines. Tigers are Felines. Are all Lions Tigers?" But I think it deserves some mention in the Fun Facts. Since it's an actual IQ question, I'm sure there's a few that wouldn't be able to really solve it (I know I had to think about it for a few seconds to work it out) which deserves being mentioned and solved in the Fun Facts. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 19:15, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Eau de toilette ==

Regarding the reference to the French "Toilet water" is it worth putting that this is only the literal translation, with the actual product being Cologne? Eg, Eau de toilette is French for Cologne, literally "Toilet water"

:Actually, it's not even a literal translation. The literal translation is "bathroom water." "Toilette" means "bathroom." {{unsigned|70.44.119.165|15:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)}}

::Well, "toilet" was used the sense meaning "a lady's dressing table and the various actions such as fixing her hair and putting on perfume and makeup" in English when the word was first borrowed, just as it did in French. In French and in English, the word evolved to mean either the bathroom itself or the commode precisely because it was originally a euphemism, like "powder-room." "Toilet water" is more of a vestigial remnant of that than a mistranslation. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet#Etymology

:: Also consider the word "toiletries" another surviving reference to this term. The use of "toilet" to mean something other than personal grooming and the area for it is 20th century English invention.

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== M.A.S.H.E.D.'.D ==
Says I that m.a.s.h. is not a reference to the TV show, but just to the video game practice of button mashing. This is reflected later with The Ugly One t.a.p.ing the TV remote.
:I agree — I considered this, but (1) M*A*S*H has asterisks, not periods between the letters, and (2) "m.a.s.h." has one after the last letter, whereas M*A*S*H does not. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::But here's the question: if they didn't put dots between MASH because of M*A*S*H, why else did they put them in? And even if it is a coincidence, couldn't we still mention it? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Unless someone can come up with a better explantion, i think that this is a good reference. If it gets STUFF'd...well, who cares -{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}

== Tompkins playing a GameBoy? ==
when Tompkins is shown playing with his virtual pet, it looks a heck of a lot like a GameBoy (original). anyone think this should be put somewhere? or am i just crazy? --[[User:EricTheDerek|EricTheDerek]] 14:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

:It's mentioned a few times in the transcript; do you think it should be mentioned elsewhere? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure there have been virtual pet games on the Game Boy, so maybe Tompkins is playing one of those. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:::There was actually a Tamagotchi game for GameBoy; I own it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:53, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::The transcript now says he's playing with a tamagotchi, not a game boy... is that normal? -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 15:48, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Is constant editing normal? Short answer - yes. Long answer - Very yes. - Xifihas (too lazy to log in)

== I have a crush on EACH AND EVERY BOY!! ==

Does anyone else think Cheerleader's saying "I'll call EACH AND EVERY BOY!!" is reminiscent of The Ugly One's saying "I have a crush on EVERY BOY!!"? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 19:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Door from Alice in Wonderland ==

The fact that the door of Tompkins' house is the door from the Alice in Wonderland cartoon - Real world reference? Also, the top row of cereal boxes in the pantries seem to be Count Chocula, Frankenberry, and Boo Berry, though admittedly crude Strong-Bad-ish renderings. → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … Y'all biscuitheads! 19:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Well, I see my addition of the Alice in Wonderland fact has been removed. It's pretty clear that the door on this cartoon is based on the talking door (the door knob being on the face of the talking door, not the face itself as the removal notice claims...) but I'm not going to get into a revert war on my first edit. :B → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … Y'all biscuitheads! 20:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::When the door's open, that looks like some Japanese there to me. Am I seein' things? Also, the sink looked like a zora (the oldstyle zoras) ... also, PCP?

== Real-World Overkill ==

Is the item "Caesars is a casino brand owned by Harrah's Entertainment" a little overkill on the real-world references? I don't think it's really necessary. --[[User:MadShrubbery|MadShrubbery]] 19:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
: I don't mind that. There may be some people who don't know what Caesar's is immediately. they may think of salad... not everyone is as smart as you and i

== Page Title Reference ==

I'm mostly certain that the page title is a reference to comedian Robin Harris' routine "Bebe's Kids" which became a movie in 1992.
:It's already listed in Real World Refs. [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 20:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Gold Digger ==

In explanations it explains what a gold digger is. When did they ever even say that in the toon? [[User:D&d greg|D&d greg]] 20:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
: It doesn't, really, but Momkins ''is'' dressed as a prospector. That's probably what the person who wrote that fact was thinking. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Would it be better to say "The fact that Momkins goes "prospecting" for ex-husbands refers to the concept of a "gold-digger", which is..."? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 21:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== She gone ==

Probably not worth noting other than here on the talk page, but the way "She gone" was said seems to be very similar to [[Wikipedia:Ken Harrelson|Hawk Harrelson]]'s strikeout call for Chicago White Sox games, "He gone!" Again, probably not noteworthy, but I was just curious if any other Midwesterners on here noticed that as well.[[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 21:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think it's a reference. There's no real context tying them together, and Strong Bad puts more emphasis on the second word ("She ''gone''"), whereas what's his face puts more stress on the first word ("''He'' gone"). (Man, I hate ''everything'' about the way that guy calls a game.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== PCP ==

this is the first and only refrence to drugs of any kind right? {{unsigned|68.164.230.188|23:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)}}

:Good question. There are quite a few references to [[alcohol]] and [[smoking]] and one possible, indirect reference to [[Talk:4 branches#Legalization?|marijuana]], but that's all I can think of. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, we have a whole article on [[drugs]]. Though most of them are the prescription kind. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:29, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:::There's also a (direct) reference to [[Scroll Button Songs#SB-2003-05-19|crack cocaine.]] So yeah, nothing new. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

==Each and Every Boy==

Isn't it a reference to TGS1? [[User:Awexome Cross|Awexome Cross]] 23:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Are you referring to "I have a crush on every boy" vs. "I'll call each and every boy"? If so, I mentioned that seven headings above this one, and no one replied. I also just found in the page history that it was added early Monday morning, and removed by an annony, because it wasn't the same person saying it. However, I think they're similar enough to merit a reference--same subject matter, same number of syllables, same inflection, same emphasis on the "EVERY BOY" -- any other opinions? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 19:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, i dont think so. Theres only so many ways to say things, it almost seems like they went out of their way to make it different

== Buttcrack Plumbing ==

Should we add a reference to the stereotype that plumbers show their, uh, hind quarters when they bend over? ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:48, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:I think most people should be able to pick up that joke just by the name "Buttcrack Plumbing"... it's a common stereotype. -{{User:YK/sig}} 03:34, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== P or E? ==

Peacey P's name could refer to either [[Wikipedia:Percee P|Percee P]] or [[Wikipedia:Eazy E|Eazy E]], but his note in the [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 13#Real-World References|Real-world references]] section and his entry in [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Peacey P|Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters]] didn't match. I've edited them to match, but we shouldn't keep them as "either-or" facts. Which one should we choose? — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 11:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:First one seems more likely to me. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 12:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
::Not sure, Eazy E seemed more popular. Peacey P prefers to be underground, whilst Eazy E has had "critical and commercial success". Then again, it's probably TTATOT. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 12:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

:I do not believe that the brothers Chaps has heard of Percee P, but who am I to say? [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 09:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:please for the love of crap let this be TTATOT -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 16:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== SAT ==

"Syllogisms are often found on the SAT."

Um... no they're not.

:Exactly, annony. They used to be ("old" SAT), but they got rid of them with the "New" SAT [[User:Coveredinharmony|CoveredinSuudzu]] 15:08, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== Snack mix with a monocle ==

I believe the snack mix wearing a monocle is a reference to Mr. Peanut, the mascot for the Planters company.
[[User:Nsayer|Nsayer]] 14:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:Isn't there a Clue character who wears a monocle? Am I thinking of Professor Plum? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 18:38, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
::I believe it was Colonel Mustard who wore a monocle. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:45, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== Release date ==

The release date for the toon should be Monday June 18th. I have the release time at about 35 minutes after midnight Eastern time (approx. Mon, 18 Jun 2007 04:34:54 GMT). I'm going to change it back to Monday per [[HRWiki:Standards#Summary]], as the "Sunday" on the [[Main Pages]] isn't correct. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:22, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== Deliberance ==

Isn't Peacey P's album title a portmateau of Deliberate and Deliverance
:It certainly is. A link to [[Portmanteaus]] is now in the fun facts. Thanks! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:17, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:I think its only a portmanteau by coincidence, unless those 2 words are extremely relevant to something. It just sounded like Peacey P was mumbling everything and Deliverance sounded like Deliberance so thats what they named it -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 14:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

== Blurring ==

"Olympic Man's jersey is blurred because trademarked logos on clothing are often obscured by the producers of television or music videos when they don't want the logos visible in the final product."

I believe it was either a reference to how the media censors swear words and other profantities, or because The Brothers Chaps wanted to test us wiki guys to see if we could figure out who the bodyguard is. [[User:76.5.105.107|76.5.105.107]] 06:19, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
:I've expanded the explanation to cover the spectrum of possibilities (logos, designs, words). (I don't think it was meant as a challenge to us.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 12:20, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 13

JamesDean — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:09:45 GMT

JamesDean: no no portmanteau

==!==
*Oops. Looks like we got two images. Which one should we choose? I uploaded mine one minute before Techgeekmbg. --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 05:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== The bodyguard ==

Looks exactly like Olympic Man from issue 10. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 06:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Yup — that's what I put in the transcript. The blurred words on his shirt read "Olympic Man". {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Hotel balcony dangling reference ==

So, right now the following two real-world references are both in the article:
<blockquote>
* The Olympic Guy dangling The Ugly One from a hotel balcony is a reference to a widely-publicized event in 2002, when [[Wikipedia:Michael Jackson|Michael Jackson]] dangled his son from a hotel balcony;
* Dangling The Ugly One over the balcony is also a reference to [[Wikipedia:Vanilla_Ice|Vanilla Ice's]] claim that rap record producer [[Wikipedia:Suge_Knight|Marion "Suge" Knight]] hung him up upside down on a hotel balcony in order to get Vanilla Ice to turn over his royalties. This relates to the rapper Peacey P shown earlier in the episode.
</blockquote>
They can't both be true. When I first watched the toon, I thought of the Michael Jackson incident, but now that I think about it, the Vanilla Ice one makes sense. First, it fits with the rapper theme (Peacey P), and second, Olympic Man dangles The Ugly One by her ankles (Michael Jackson held his baby by the torso). Any thoughts? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Hm. I have to agree. I thought of Michael Jackson when I first watched the toon, too, but the Vanilla Ice thing, while I'd never heard of it beforehand, makes more sense in context. It's not quite TTATOT, and warrants mention, but... If I had to choose, I'd say go with the latter of the two. -{{User:YK/sig}} 07:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Although I also immediately thought of Wacko Jacko, the theme here is Hip-Hop, which Jacko is not. The latter makes more sense in context. It won't be long till this'll get STUFFed anyway. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 09:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know where to post this, cuz I'm editing on Wii and it won't let me start a new row. Peacy P's name must be a reference to Eazy-E of N.W.A, right? [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 09:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:No, it's more of a reference to "Doggy Dog" (as in "Snoop Doggy Dog"), which is whom Peacy P is parodying. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 09:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

But then again, I'm teekin bot the name, and since Eazy-E is both a rapper and rimes with Peacy P I'd guess that there's a reference here. [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 14:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I went and added the Jacko thing, but you can remove it if you like. (BTW you know he didn't really dangle his son right?) [[User:MJN SEIFER|MJN SEIFER]] 13:51, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

== goo goo is wah wah? ==

"Goo goo is ga-ga. Wah wah is ga-ga. Are all goo goos wah wahs?"

Algebraically, this is: "A = B, C = B, does A = C?"

Being that algebra is a popular thing to test for in the SAT's I thought I'd at least bring it up. Don't know if it's worth mentioning on the page though.--[[User:69.243.221.87|69.243.221.87]] 08:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

: That's not ''quite'' what that corresponds to (it's not an algebraic statement; it's a logical grouping statement) but, yeah, that it what they're talking about. Like you, I doubt it merits inclusion on the page. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, it's more the question of "Lions are Felines. Tigers are Felines. Are all Lions Tigers?" But I think it deserves some mention in the Fun Facts. Since it's an actual IQ question, I'm sure there's a few that wouldn't be able to really solve it (I know I had to think about it for a few seconds to work it out) which deserves being mentioned and solved in the Fun Facts. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 19:15, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Eau de toilette ==

Regarding the reference to the French "Toilet water" is it worth putting that this is only the literal translation, with the actual product being Cologne? Eg, Eau de toilette is French for Cologne, literally "Toilet water"

:Actually, it's not even a literal translation. The literal translation is "bathroom water." "Toilette" means "bathroom." {{unsigned|70.44.119.165|15:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)}}

::Well, "toilet" was used the sense meaning "a lady's dressing table and the various actions such as fixing her hair and putting on perfume and makeup" in English when the word was first borrowed, just as it did in French. In French and in English, the word evolved to mean either the bathroom itself or the commode precisely because it was originally a euphemism, like "powder-room." "Toilet water" is more of a vestigial remnant of that than a mistranslation. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet#Etymology

:: Also consider the word "toiletries" another surviving reference to this term. The use of "toilet" to mean something other than personal grooming and the area for it is 20th century English invention.

{{talk}}

== M.A.S.H.E.D.'.D ==
Says I that m.a.s.h. is not a reference to the TV show, but just to the video game practice of button mashing. This is reflected later with The Ugly One t.a.p.ing the TV remote.
:I agree — I considered this, but (1) M*A*S*H has asterisks, not periods between the letters, and (2) "m.a.s.h." has one after the last letter, whereas M*A*S*H does not. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::But here's the question: if they didn't put dots between MASH because of M*A*S*H, why else did they put them in? And even if it is a coincidence, couldn't we still mention it? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Unless someone can come up with a better explantion, i think that this is a good reference. If it gets STUFF'd...well, who cares -{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}

== Tompkins playing a GameBoy? ==
when Tompkins is shown playing with his virtual pet, it looks a heck of a lot like a GameBoy (original). anyone think this should be put somewhere? or am i just crazy? --[[User:EricTheDerek|EricTheDerek]] 14:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

:It's mentioned a few times in the transcript; do you think it should be mentioned elsewhere? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure there have been virtual pet games on the Game Boy, so maybe Tompkins is playing one of those. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:::There was actually a Tamagotchi game for GameBoy; I own it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:53, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::The transcript now says he's playing with a tamagotchi, not a game boy... is that normal? -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 15:48, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Is constant editing normal? Short answer - yes. Long answer - Very yes. - Xifihas (too lazy to log in)

== I have a crush on EACH AND EVERY BOY!! ==

Does anyone else think Cheerleader's saying "I'll call EACH AND EVERY BOY!!" is reminiscent of The Ugly One's saying "I have a crush on EVERY BOY!!"? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 19:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Door from Alice in Wonderland ==

The fact that the door of Tompkins' house is the door from the Alice in Wonderland cartoon - Real world reference? Also, the top row of cereal boxes in the pantries seem to be Count Chocula, Frankenberry, and Boo Berry, though admittedly crude Strong-Bad-ish renderings. → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … Y'all biscuitheads! 19:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Well, I see my addition of the Alice in Wonderland fact has been removed. It's pretty clear that the door on this cartoon is based on the talking door (the door knob being on the face of the talking door, not the face itself as the removal notice claims...) but I'm not going to get into a revert war on my first edit. :B → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … Y'all biscuitheads! 20:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::When the door's open, that looks like some Japanese there to me. Am I seein' things? Also, the sink looked like a zora (the oldstyle zoras) ... also, PCP?

== Real-World Overkill ==

Is the item "Caesars is a casino brand owned by Harrah's Entertainment" a little overkill on the real-world references? I don't think it's really necessary. --[[User:MadShrubbery|MadShrubbery]] 19:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
: I don't mind that. There may be some people who don't know what Caesar's is immediately. they may think of salad... not everyone is as smart as you and i

== Page Title Reference ==

I'm mostly certain that the page title is a reference to comedian Robin Harris' routine "Bebe's Kids" which became a movie in 1992.
:It's already listed in Real World Refs. [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 20:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Gold Digger ==

In explanations it explains what a gold digger is. When did they ever even say that in the toon? [[User:D&d greg|D&d greg]] 20:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
: It doesn't, really, but Momkins ''is'' dressed as a prospector. That's probably what the person who wrote that fact was thinking. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Would it be better to say "The fact that Momkins goes "prospecting" for ex-husbands refers to the concept of a "gold-digger", which is..."? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 21:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== She gone ==

Probably not worth noting other than here on the talk page, but the way "She gone" was said seems to be very similar to [[Wikipedia:Ken Harrelson|Hawk Harrelson]]'s strikeout call for Chicago White Sox games, "He gone!" Again, probably not noteworthy, but I was just curious if any other Midwesterners on here noticed that as well.[[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 21:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think it's a reference. There's no real context tying them together, and Strong Bad puts more emphasis on the second word ("She ''gone''"), whereas what's his face puts more stress on the first word ("''He'' gone"). (Man, I hate ''everything'' about the way that guy calls a game.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== PCP ==

this is the first and only refrence to drugs of any kind right? {{unsigned|68.164.230.188|23:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)}}

:Good question. There are quite a few references to [[alcohol]] and [[smoking]] and one possible, indirect reference to [[Talk:4 branches#Legalization?|marijuana]], but that's all I can think of. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, we have a whole article on [[drugs]]. Though most of them are the prescription kind. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:29, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:::There's also a (direct) reference to [[Scroll Button Songs#SB-2003-05-19|crack cocaine.]] So yeah, nothing new. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

==Each and Every Boy==

Isn't it a reference to TGS1? [[User:Awexome Cross|Awexome Cross]] 23:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Are you referring to "I have a crush on every boy" vs. "I'll call each and every boy"? If so, I mentioned that seven headings above this one, and no one replied. I also just found in the page history that it was added early Monday morning, and removed by an annony, because it wasn't the same person saying it. However, I think they're similar enough to merit a reference--same subject matter, same number of syllables, same inflection, same emphasis on the "EVERY BOY" -- any other opinions? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 19:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, i dont think so. Theres only so many ways to say things, it almost seems like they went out of their way to make it different

== Buttcrack Plumbing ==

Should we add a reference to the stereotype that plumbers show their, uh, hind quarters when they bend over? ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:48, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:I think most people should be able to pick up that joke just by the name "Buttcrack Plumbing"... it's a common stereotype. -{{User:YK/sig}} 03:34, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== P or E? ==

Peacey P's name could refer to either [[Wikipedia:Percee P|Percee P]] or [[Wikipedia:Eazy E|Eazy E]], but his note in the [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 13#Real-World References|Real-world references]] section and his entry in [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Peacey P|Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters]] didn't match. I've edited them to match, but we shouldn't keep them as "either-or" facts. Which one should we choose? — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 11:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:First one seems more likely to me. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 12:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
::Not sure, Eazy E seemed more popular. Peacey P prefers to be underground, whilst Eazy E has had "critical and commercial success". Then again, it's probably TTATOT. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 12:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

:I do not believe that the brothers Chaps has heard of Percee P, but who am I to say? [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 09:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:please for the love of crap let this be TTATOT -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 16:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== SAT ==

"Syllogisms are often found on the SAT."

Um... no they're not.

:Exactly, annony. They used to be ("old" SAT), but they got rid of them with the "New" SAT [[User:Coveredinharmony|CoveredinSuudzu]] 15:08, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== Snack mix with a monocle ==

I believe the snack mix wearing a monocle is a reference to Mr. Peanut, the mascot for the Planters company.
[[User:Nsayer|Nsayer]] 14:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:Isn't there a Clue character who wears a monocle? Am I thinking of Professor Plum? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 18:38, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
::I believe it was Colonel Mustard who wore a monocle. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:45, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== Release date ==

The release date for the toon should be Monday June 18th. I have the release time at about 35 minutes after midnight Eastern time (approx. Mon, 18 Jun 2007 04:34:54 GMT). I'm going to change it back to Monday per [[HRWiki:Standards#Summary]], as the "Sunday" on the [[Main Pages]] isn't correct. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:22, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== Deliberance ==

Isn't Peacey P's album title a portmateau of Deliberate and Deliverance
:It certainly is. A link to [[Portmanteaus]] is now in the fun facts. Thanks! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:17, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:I think its only a portmanteau by coincidence, unless those 2 words are extremely relevant to something. It just sounded like Peacey P was mumbling everything and Deliverance sounded like Deliberance so thats what they named it

== Blurring ==

"Olympic Man's jersey is blurred because trademarked logos on clothing are often obscured by the producers of television or music videos when they don't want the logos visible in the final product."

I believe it was either a reference to how the media censors swear words and other profantities, or because The Brothers Chaps wanted to test us wiki guys to see if we could figure out who the bodyguard is. [[User:76.5.105.107|76.5.105.107]] 06:19, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
:I've expanded the explanation to cover the spectrum of possibilities (logos, designs, words). (I don't think it was meant as a challenge to us.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 12:20, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 13

JamesDean — Fri, 22 Jun 2007 14:07:51 GMT

JamesDean: /* Each and Every Boy */

==!==
*Oops. Looks like we got two images. Which one should we choose? I uploaded mine one minute before Techgeekmbg. --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 05:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== The bodyguard ==

Looks exactly like Olympic Man from issue 10. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 06:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Yup — that's what I put in the transcript. The blurred words on his shirt read "Olympic Man". {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Hotel balcony dangling reference ==

So, right now the following two real-world references are both in the article:
<blockquote>
* The Olympic Guy dangling The Ugly One from a hotel balcony is a reference to a widely-publicized event in 2002, when [[Wikipedia:Michael Jackson|Michael Jackson]] dangled his son from a hotel balcony;
* Dangling The Ugly One over the balcony is also a reference to [[Wikipedia:Vanilla_Ice|Vanilla Ice's]] claim that rap record producer [[Wikipedia:Suge_Knight|Marion "Suge" Knight]] hung him up upside down on a hotel balcony in order to get Vanilla Ice to turn over his royalties. This relates to the rapper Peacey P shown earlier in the episode.
</blockquote>
They can't both be true. When I first watched the toon, I thought of the Michael Jackson incident, but now that I think about it, the Vanilla Ice one makes sense. First, it fits with the rapper theme (Peacey P), and second, Olympic Man dangles The Ugly One by her ankles (Michael Jackson held his baby by the torso). Any thoughts? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Hm. I have to agree. I thought of Michael Jackson when I first watched the toon, too, but the Vanilla Ice thing, while I'd never heard of it beforehand, makes more sense in context. It's not quite TTATOT, and warrants mention, but... If I had to choose, I'd say go with the latter of the two. -{{User:YK/sig}} 07:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Although I also immediately thought of Wacko Jacko, the theme here is Hip-Hop, which Jacko is not. The latter makes more sense in context. It won't be long till this'll get STUFFed anyway. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 09:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know where to post this, cuz I'm editing on Wii and it won't let me start a new row. Peacy P's name must be a reference to Eazy-E of N.W.A, right? [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 09:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:No, it's more of a reference to "Doggy Dog" (as in "Snoop Doggy Dog"), which is whom Peacy P is parodying. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 09:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

But then again, I'm teekin bot the name, and since Eazy-E is both a rapper and rimes with Peacy P I'd guess that there's a reference here. [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 14:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I went and added the Jacko thing, but you can remove it if you like. (BTW you know he didn't really dangle his son right?) [[User:MJN SEIFER|MJN SEIFER]] 13:51, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

== goo goo is wah wah? ==

"Goo goo is ga-ga. Wah wah is ga-ga. Are all goo goos wah wahs?"

Algebraically, this is: "A = B, C = B, does A = C?"

Being that algebra is a popular thing to test for in the SAT's I thought I'd at least bring it up. Don't know if it's worth mentioning on the page though.--[[User:69.243.221.87|69.243.221.87]] 08:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

: That's not ''quite'' what that corresponds to (it's not an algebraic statement; it's a logical grouping statement) but, yeah, that it what they're talking about. Like you, I doubt it merits inclusion on the page. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, it's more the question of "Lions are Felines. Tigers are Felines. Are all Lions Tigers?" But I think it deserves some mention in the Fun Facts. Since it's an actual IQ question, I'm sure there's a few that wouldn't be able to really solve it (I know I had to think about it for a few seconds to work it out) which deserves being mentioned and solved in the Fun Facts. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 19:15, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Eau de toilette ==

Regarding the reference to the French "Toilet water" is it worth putting that this is only the literal translation, with the actual product being Cologne? Eg, Eau de toilette is French for Cologne, literally "Toilet water"

:Actually, it's not even a literal translation. The literal translation is "bathroom water." "Toilette" means "bathroom." {{unsigned|70.44.119.165|15:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)}}

::Well, "toilet" was used the sense meaning "a lady's dressing table and the various actions such as fixing her hair and putting on perfume and makeup" in English when the word was first borrowed, just as it did in French. In French and in English, the word evolved to mean either the bathroom itself or the commode precisely because it was originally a euphemism, like "powder-room." "Toilet water" is more of a vestigial remnant of that than a mistranslation. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet#Etymology

:: Also consider the word "toiletries" another surviving reference to this term. The use of "toilet" to mean something other than personal grooming and the area for it is 20th century English invention.

{{talk}}

== M.A.S.H.E.D.'.D ==
Says I that m.a.s.h. is not a reference to the TV show, but just to the video game practice of button mashing. This is reflected later with The Ugly One t.a.p.ing the TV remote.
:I agree — I considered this, but (1) M*A*S*H has asterisks, not periods between the letters, and (2) "m.a.s.h." has one after the last letter, whereas M*A*S*H does not. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::But here's the question: if they didn't put dots between MASH because of M*A*S*H, why else did they put them in? And even if it is a coincidence, couldn't we still mention it? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Unless someone can come up with a better explantion, i think that this is a good reference. If it gets STUFF'd...well, who cares -{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}

== Tompkins playing a GameBoy? ==
when Tompkins is shown playing with his virtual pet, it looks a heck of a lot like a GameBoy (original). anyone think this should be put somewhere? or am i just crazy? --[[User:EricTheDerek|EricTheDerek]] 14:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

:It's mentioned a few times in the transcript; do you think it should be mentioned elsewhere? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure there have been virtual pet games on the Game Boy, so maybe Tompkins is playing one of those. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:::There was actually a Tamagotchi game for GameBoy; I own it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:53, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::The transcript now says he's playing with a tamagotchi, not a game boy... is that normal? -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 15:48, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Is constant editing normal? Short answer - yes. Long answer - Very yes. - Xifihas (too lazy to log in)

== I have a crush on EACH AND EVERY BOY!! ==

Does anyone else think Cheerleader's saying "I'll call EACH AND EVERY BOY!!" is reminiscent of The Ugly One's saying "I have a crush on EVERY BOY!!"? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 19:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Door from Alice in Wonderland ==

The fact that the door of Tompkins' house is the door from the Alice in Wonderland cartoon - Real world reference? Also, the top row of cereal boxes in the pantries seem to be Count Chocula, Frankenberry, and Boo Berry, though admittedly crude Strong-Bad-ish renderings. → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … Y'all biscuitheads! 19:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Well, I see my addition of the Alice in Wonderland fact has been removed. It's pretty clear that the door on this cartoon is based on the talking door (the door knob being on the face of the talking door, not the face itself as the removal notice claims...) but I'm not going to get into a revert war on my first edit. :B → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … Y'all biscuitheads! 20:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::When the door's open, that looks like some Japanese there to me. Am I seein' things? Also, the sink looked like a zora (the oldstyle zoras) ... also, PCP?

== Real-World Overkill ==

Is the item "Caesars is a casino brand owned by Harrah's Entertainment" a little overkill on the real-world references? I don't think it's really necessary. --[[User:MadShrubbery|MadShrubbery]] 19:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
: I don't mind that. There may be some people who don't know what Caesar's is immediately. they may think of salad... not everyone is as smart as you and i

== Page Title Reference ==

I'm mostly certain that the page title is a reference to comedian Robin Harris' routine "Bebe's Kids" which became a movie in 1992.
:It's already listed in Real World Refs. [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 20:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Gold Digger ==

In explanations it explains what a gold digger is. When did they ever even say that in the toon? [[User:D&d greg|D&d greg]] 20:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
: It doesn't, really, but Momkins ''is'' dressed as a prospector. That's probably what the person who wrote that fact was thinking. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Would it be better to say "The fact that Momkins goes "prospecting" for ex-husbands refers to the concept of a "gold-digger", which is..."? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 21:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== She gone ==

Probably not worth noting other than here on the talk page, but the way "She gone" was said seems to be very similar to [[Wikipedia:Ken Harrelson|Hawk Harrelson]]'s strikeout call for Chicago White Sox games, "He gone!" Again, probably not noteworthy, but I was just curious if any other Midwesterners on here noticed that as well.[[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 21:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think it's a reference. There's no real context tying them together, and Strong Bad puts more emphasis on the second word ("She ''gone''"), whereas what's his face puts more stress on the first word ("''He'' gone"). (Man, I hate ''everything'' about the way that guy calls a game.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== PCP ==

this is the first and only refrence to drugs of any kind right? {{unsigned|68.164.230.188|23:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)}}

:Good question. There are quite a few references to [[alcohol]] and [[smoking]] and one possible, indirect reference to [[Talk:4 branches#Legalization?|marijuana]], but that's all I can think of. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, we have a whole article on [[drugs]]. Though most of them are the prescription kind. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:29, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:::There's also a (direct) reference to [[Scroll Button Songs#SB-2003-05-19|crack cocaine.]] So yeah, nothing new. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

==Each and Every Boy==

Isn't it a reference to TGS1? [[User:Awexome Cross|Awexome Cross]] 23:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Are you referring to "I have a crush on every boy" vs. "I'll call each and every boy"? If so, I mentioned that seven headings above this one, and no one replied. I also just found in the page history that it was added early Monday morning, and removed by an annony, because it wasn't the same person saying it. However, I think they're similar enough to merit a reference--same subject matter, same number of syllables, same inflection, same emphasis on the "EVERY BOY" -- any other opinions? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 19:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, i dont think so. Theres only so many ways to say things, it almost seems like they went out of their way to make it different

== Buttcrack Plumbing ==

Should we add a reference to the stereotype that plumbers show their, uh, hind quarters when they bend over? ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:48, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:I think most people should be able to pick up that joke just by the name "Buttcrack Plumbing"... it's a common stereotype. -{{User:YK/sig}} 03:34, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== P or E? ==

Peacey P's name could refer to either [[Wikipedia:Percee P|Percee P]] or [[Wikipedia:Eazy E|Eazy E]], but his note in the [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 13#Real-World References|Real-world references]] section and his entry in [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Peacey P|Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters]] didn't match. I've edited them to match, but we shouldn't keep them as "either-or" facts. Which one should we choose? — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 11:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:First one seems more likely to me. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 12:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
::Not sure, Eazy E seemed more popular. Peacey P prefers to be underground, whilst Eazy E has had "critical and commercial success". Then again, it's probably TTATOT. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 12:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

:I do not believe that the brothers Chaps has heard of Percee P, but who am I to say? [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 09:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:please for the love of crap let this be TTATOT -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 16:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== SAT ==

"Syllogisms are often found on the SAT."

Um... no they're not.

:Exactly, annony. They used to be ("old" SAT), but they got rid of them with the "New" SAT [[User:Coveredinharmony|CoveredinSuudzu]] 15:08, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== Snack mix with a monocle ==

I believe the snack mix wearing a monocle is a reference to Mr. Peanut, the mascot for the Planters company.
[[User:Nsayer|Nsayer]] 14:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:Isn't there a Clue character who wears a monocle? Am I thinking of Professor Plum? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 18:38, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
::I believe it was Colonel Mustard who wore a monocle. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:45, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== Release date ==

The release date for the toon should be Monday June 18th. I have the release time at about 35 minutes after midnight Eastern time (approx. Mon, 18 Jun 2007 04:34:54 GMT). I'm going to change it back to Monday per [[HRWiki:Standards#Summary]], as the "Sunday" on the [[Main Pages]] isn't correct. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:22, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== Deliberance ==

Isn't Peacey P's album title a portmateau of Deliberate and Deliverance
:It certainly is. A link to [[Portmanteaus]] is now in the fun facts. Thanks! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:17, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== Blurring ==

"Olympic Man's jersey is blurred because trademarked logos on clothing are often obscured by the producers of television or music videos when they don't want the logos visible in the final product."

I believe it was either a reference to how the media censors swear words and other profantities, or because The Brothers Chaps wanted to test us wiki guys to see if we could figure out who the bodyguard is. [[User:76.5.105.107|76.5.105.107]] 06:19, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
:I've expanded the explanation to cover the spectrum of possibilities (logos, designs, words). (I don't think it was meant as a challenge to us.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 12:20, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 13

JamesDean — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:00:50 GMT

JamesDean: /* P or E? */

==!==
*Oops. Looks like we got two images. Which one should we choose? I uploaded mine one minute before Techgeekmbg. --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 05:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== The bodyguard ==

Looks exactly like Olympic Man from issue 10. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 06:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Yup — that's what I put in the transcript. The blurred words on his shirt read "Olympic Man". {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Hotel balcony dangling reference ==

So, right now the following two real-world references are both in the article:
<blockquote>
* The Olympic Guy dangling The Ugly One from a hotel balcony is a reference to a widely-publicized event in 2002, when [[Wikipedia:Michael Jackson|Michael Jackson]] dangled his son from a hotel balcony;
* Dangling The Ugly One over the balcony is also a reference to [[Wikipedia:Vanilla_Ice|Vanilla Ice's]] claim that rap record producer [[Wikipedia:Suge_Knight|Marion "Suge" Knight]] hung him up upside down on a hotel balcony in order to get Vanilla Ice to turn over his royalties. This relates to the rapper Peacey P shown earlier in the episode.
</blockquote>
They can't both be true. When I first watched the toon, I thought of the Michael Jackson incident, but now that I think about it, the Vanilla Ice one makes sense. First, it fits with the rapper theme (Peacey P), and second, Olympic Man dangles The Ugly One by her ankles (Michael Jackson held his baby by the torso). Any thoughts? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Hm. I have to agree. I thought of Michael Jackson when I first watched the toon, too, but the Vanilla Ice thing, while I'd never heard of it beforehand, makes more sense in context. It's not quite TTATOT, and warrants mention, but... If I had to choose, I'd say go with the latter of the two. -{{User:YK/sig}} 07:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Although I also immediately thought of Wacko Jacko, the theme here is Hip-Hop, which Jacko is not. The latter makes more sense in context. It won't be long till this'll get STUFFed anyway. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 09:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know where to post this, cuz I'm editing on Wii and it won't let me start a new row. Peacy P's name must be a reference to Eazy-E of N.W.A, right? [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 09:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:No, it's more of a reference to "Doggy Dog" (as in "Snoop Doggy Dog"), which is whom Peacy P is parodying. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 09:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

But then again, I'm teekin bot the name, and since Eazy-E is both a rapper and rimes with Peacy P I'd guess that there's a reference here. [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 14:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== goo goo is wah wah? ==

"Goo goo is ga-ga. Wah wah is ga-ga. Are all goo goos wah wahs?"

Algebraically, this is: "A = B, C = B, does A = C?"

Being that algebra is a popular thing to test for in the SAT's I thought I'd at least bring it up. Don't know if it's worth mentioning on the page though.--[[User:69.243.221.87|69.243.221.87]] 08:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

: That's not ''quite'' what that corresponds to (it's not an algebraic statement; it's a logical grouping statement) but, yeah, that it what they're talking about. Like you, I doubt it merits inclusion on the page. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, it's more the question of "Lions are Felines. Tigers are Felines. Are all Lions Tigers?" But I think it deserves some mention in the Fun Facts. Since it's an actual IQ question, I'm sure there's a few that wouldn't be able to really solve it (I know I had to think about it for a few seconds to work it out) which deserves being mentioned and solved in the Fun Facts. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 19:15, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Eau de toilette ==

Regarding the reference to the French "Toilet water" is it worth putting that this is only the literal translation, with the actual product being Cologne? Eg, Eau de toilette is French for Cologne, literally "Toilet water"

:Actually, it's not even a literal translation. The literal translation is "bathroom water." "Toilette" means "bathroom." {{unsigned|70.44.119.165|15:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)}}

::Well, "toilet" was used the sense meaning "a lady's dressing table and the various actions such as fixing her hair and putting on perfume and makeup" in English when the word was first borrowed, just as it did in French. In French and in English, the word evolved to mean either the bathroom itself or the commode precisely because it was originally a euphemism, like "powder-room." "Toilet water" is more of a vestigial remnant of that than a mistranslation. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet#Etymology

:: Also consider the word "toiletries" another surviving reference to this term. The use of "toilet" to mean something other than personal grooming and the area for it is 20th century English invention.

{{talk}}

== M.A.S.H.E.D.'.D ==
Says I that m.a.s.h. is not a reference to the TV show, but just to the video game practice of button mashing. This is reflected later with The Ugly One t.a.p.ing the TV remote.
:I agree — I considered this, but (1) M*A*S*H has asterisks, not periods between the letters, and (2) "m.a.s.h." has one after the last letter, whereas M*A*S*H does not. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::But here's the question: if they didn't put dots between MASH because of M*A*S*H, why else did they put them in? And even if it is a coincidence, couldn't we still mention it? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Unless someone can come up with a better explantion, i think that this is a good reference. If it gets STUFF'd...well, who cares -{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}

== Tompkins playing a GameBoy? ==
when Tompkins is shown playing with his virtual pet, it looks a heck of a lot like a GameBoy (original). anyone think this should be put somewhere? or am i just crazy? --[[User:EricTheDerek|EricTheDerek]] 14:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

:It's mentioned a few times in the transcript; do you think it should be mentioned elsewhere? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure there have been virtual pet games on the Game Boy, so maybe Tompkins is playing one of those. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:::There was actually a Tamagotchi game for GameBoy; I own it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:53, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::The transcript now says he's playing with a tamagotchi, not a game boy... is that normal? -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 15:48, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== I have a crush on EACH AND EVERY BOY!! ==

Does anyone else think Cheerleader's saying "I'll call EACH AND EVERY BOY!!" is reminiscent of The Ugly One's saying "I have a crush on EVERY BOY!!"? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 19:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Door from Alice in Wonderland ==

The fact that the door of Tompkins' house is the door from the Alice in Wonderland cartoon - Real world reference? Also, the top row of cereal boxes in the pantries seem to be Count Chocula, Frankenberry, and Boo Berry, though admittedly crude Strong-Bad-ish renderings. → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … Y'all biscuitheads! 19:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Well, I see my addition of the Alice in Wonderland fact has been removed. It's pretty clear that the door on this cartoon is based on the talking door (the door knob being on the face of the talking door, not the face itself as the removal notice claims...) but I'm not going to get into a revert war on my first edit. :B → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … Y'all biscuitheads! 20:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::When the door's open, that looks like some Japanese there to me. Am I seein' things? Also, the sink looked like a zora (the oldstyle zoras) ... also, PCP?

== Real-World Overkill ==

Is the item "Caesars is a casino brand owned by Harrah's Entertainment" a little overkill on the real-world references? I don't think it's really necessary. --[[User:MadShrubbery|MadShrubbery]] 19:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
: I don't mind that. There may be some people who don't know what Caesar's is immediately. they may think of salad... not everyone is as smart as you and i

== Page Title Reference ==

I'm mostly certain that the page title is a reference to comedian Robin Harris' routine "Bebe's Kids" which became a movie in 1992.
:It's already listed in Real World Refs. [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 20:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Gold Digger ==

In explanations it explains what a gold digger is. When did they ever even say that in the toon? [[User:D&d greg|D&d greg]] 20:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
: It doesn't, really, but Momkins ''is'' dressed as a prospector. That's probably what the person who wrote that fact was thinking. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Would it be better to say "The fact that Momkins goes "prospecting" for ex-husbands refers to the concept of a "gold-digger", which is..."? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 21:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== She gone ==

Probably not worth noting other than here on the talk page, but the way "She gone" was said seems to be very similar to [[Wikipedia:Ken Harrelson|Hawk Harrelson]]'s strikeout call for Chicago White Sox games, "He gone!" Again, probably not noteworthy, but I was just curious if any other Midwesterners on here noticed that as well.[[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 21:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think it's a reference. There's no real context tying them together, and Strong Bad puts more emphasis on the second word ("She ''gone''"), whereas what's his face puts more stress on the first word ("''He'' gone"). (Man, I hate ''everything'' about the way that guy calls a game.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== PCP ==

this is the first and only refrence to drugs of any kind right? {{unsigned|68.164.230.188|23:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)}}

:Good question. There are quite a few references to [[alcohol]] and [[smoking]] and one possible, indirect reference to [[Talk:4 branches#Legalization?|marijuana]], but that's all I can think of. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, we have a whole article on [[drugs]]. Though most of them are the prescription kind. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:29, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:::There's also a (direct) reference to [[Scroll Button Songs#SB-2003-05-19|crack cocaine.]] So yeah, nothing new. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

==Each and Every Boy==

Isn't it a reference to TGS1? [[User:Awexome Cross|Awexome Cross]] 23:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Buttcrack Plumbing ==

Should we add a reference to the stereotype that plumbers show their, uh, hind quarters when they bend over? ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:48, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:I think most people should be able to pick up that joke just by the name "Buttcrack Plumbing"... it's a common stereotype. -{{User:YK/sig}} 03:34, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== P or E? ==

Peacey P's name could refer to either [[Wikipedia:Percee P|Percee P]] or [[Wikipedia:Eazy E|Eazy E]], but his note in the [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 13#Real-World References|Real-world references]] section and his entry in [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Peacey P|Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters]] didn't match. I've edited them to match, but we shouldn't keep them as "either-or" facts. Which one should we choose? — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 11:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:First one seems more likely to me. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 12:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
::Not sure, Eazy E seemed more popular. Peacey P prefers to be underground, whilst Eazy E has had "critical and commercial success". Then again, it's probably TTATOT. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 12:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

:I do not believe that the brothers Chaps has heard of Percee P, but who am I to say? [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 09:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:please for the love of crap let this be TTATOT -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 16:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== SAT ==

"Syllogisms are often found on the SAT."

Um... no they're not.

:Exactly, annony. They used to be ("old" SAT), but they got rid of them with the "New" SAT [[User:Coveredinharmony|CoveredinSuudzu]] 15:08, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== Snack mix with a monocle ==

I believe the snack mix wearing a monocle is a reference to Mr. Peanut, the mascot for the Planters company.
[[User:Nsayer|Nsayer]] 14:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 13

JamesDean — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 16:00:38 GMT

JamesDean: /* P or E? */

==!==
*Oops. Looks like we got two images. Which one should we choose? I uploaded mine one minute before Techgeekmbg. --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 05:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== The bodyguard ==

Looks exactly like Olympic Man from issue 10. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 06:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Yup — that's what I put in the transcript. The blurred words on his shirt read "Olympic Man". {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Hotel balcony dangling reference ==

So, right now the following two real-world references are both in the article:
<blockquote>
* The Olympic Guy dangling The Ugly One from a hotel balcony is a reference to a widely-publicized event in 2002, when [[Wikipedia:Michael Jackson|Michael Jackson]] dangled his son from a hotel balcony;
* Dangling The Ugly One over the balcony is also a reference to [[Wikipedia:Vanilla_Ice|Vanilla Ice's]] claim that rap record producer [[Wikipedia:Suge_Knight|Marion "Suge" Knight]] hung him up upside down on a hotel balcony in order to get Vanilla Ice to turn over his royalties. This relates to the rapper Peacey P shown earlier in the episode.
</blockquote>
They can't both be true. When I first watched the toon, I thought of the Michael Jackson incident, but now that I think about it, the Vanilla Ice one makes sense. First, it fits with the rapper theme (Peacey P), and second, Olympic Man dangles The Ugly One by her ankles (Michael Jackson held his baby by the torso). Any thoughts? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Hm. I have to agree. I thought of Michael Jackson when I first watched the toon, too, but the Vanilla Ice thing, while I'd never heard of it beforehand, makes more sense in context. It's not quite TTATOT, and warrants mention, but... If I had to choose, I'd say go with the latter of the two. -{{User:YK/sig}} 07:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Although I also immediately thought of Wacko Jacko, the theme here is Hip-Hop, which Jacko is not. The latter makes more sense in context. It won't be long till this'll get STUFFed anyway. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 09:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know where to post this, cuz I'm editing on Wii and it won't let me start a new row. Peacy P's name must be a reference to Eazy-E of N.W.A, right? [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 09:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:No, it's more of a reference to "Doggy Dog" (as in "Snoop Doggy Dog"), which is whom Peacy P is parodying. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 09:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

But then again, I'm teekin bot the name, and since Eazy-E is both a rapper and rimes with Peacy P I'd guess that there's a reference here. [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 14:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== goo goo is wah wah? ==

"Goo goo is ga-ga. Wah wah is ga-ga. Are all goo goos wah wahs?"

Algebraically, this is: "A = B, C = B, does A = C?"

Being that algebra is a popular thing to test for in the SAT's I thought I'd at least bring it up. Don't know if it's worth mentioning on the page though.--[[User:69.243.221.87|69.243.221.87]] 08:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

: That's not ''quite'' what that corresponds to (it's not an algebraic statement; it's a logical grouping statement) but, yeah, that it what they're talking about. Like you, I doubt it merits inclusion on the page. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, it's more the question of "Lions are Felines. Tigers are Felines. Are all Lions Tigers?" But I think it deserves some mention in the Fun Facts. Since it's an actual IQ question, I'm sure there's a few that wouldn't be able to really solve it (I know I had to think about it for a few seconds to work it out) which deserves being mentioned and solved in the Fun Facts. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 19:15, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Eau de toilette ==

Regarding the reference to the French "Toilet water" is it worth putting that this is only the literal translation, with the actual product being Cologne? Eg, Eau de toilette is French for Cologne, literally "Toilet water"

:Actually, it's not even a literal translation. The literal translation is "bathroom water." "Toilette" means "bathroom." {{unsigned|70.44.119.165|15:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)}}

::Well, "toilet" was used the sense meaning "a lady's dressing table and the various actions such as fixing her hair and putting on perfume and makeup" in English when the word was first borrowed, just as it did in French. In French and in English, the word evolved to mean either the bathroom itself or the commode precisely because it was originally a euphemism, like "powder-room." "Toilet water" is more of a vestigial remnant of that than a mistranslation. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet#Etymology

:: Also consider the word "toiletries" another surviving reference to this term. The use of "toilet" to mean something other than personal grooming and the area for it is 20th century English invention.

{{talk}}

== M.A.S.H.E.D.'.D ==
Says I that m.a.s.h. is not a reference to the TV show, but just to the video game practice of button mashing. This is reflected later with The Ugly One t.a.p.ing the TV remote.
:I agree — I considered this, but (1) M*A*S*H has asterisks, not periods between the letters, and (2) "m.a.s.h." has one after the last letter, whereas M*A*S*H does not. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::But here's the question: if they didn't put dots between MASH because of M*A*S*H, why else did they put them in? And even if it is a coincidence, couldn't we still mention it? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Unless someone can come up with a better explantion, i think that this is a good reference. If it gets STUFF'd...well, who cares -{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}

== Tompkins playing a GameBoy? ==
when Tompkins is shown playing with his virtual pet, it looks a heck of a lot like a GameBoy (original). anyone think this should be put somewhere? or am i just crazy? --[[User:EricTheDerek|EricTheDerek]] 14:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

:It's mentioned a few times in the transcript; do you think it should be mentioned elsewhere? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure there have been virtual pet games on the Game Boy, so maybe Tompkins is playing one of those. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:::There was actually a Tamagotchi game for GameBoy; I own it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:53, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::The transcript now says he's playing with a tamagotchi, not a game boy... is that normal? -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 15:48, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== I have a crush on EACH AND EVERY BOY!! ==

Does anyone else think Cheerleader's saying "I'll call EACH AND EVERY BOY!!" is reminiscent of The Ugly One's saying "I have a crush on EVERY BOY!!"? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 19:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Door from Alice in Wonderland ==

The fact that the door of Tompkins' house is the door from the Alice in Wonderland cartoon - Real world reference? Also, the top row of cereal boxes in the pantries seem to be Count Chocula, Frankenberry, and Boo Berry, though admittedly crude Strong-Bad-ish renderings. → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … Y'all biscuitheads! 19:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Well, I see my addition of the Alice in Wonderland fact has been removed. It's pretty clear that the door on this cartoon is based on the talking door (the door knob being on the face of the talking door, not the face itself as the removal notice claims...) but I'm not going to get into a revert war on my first edit. :B → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … Y'all biscuitheads! 20:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::When the door's open, that looks like some Japanese there to me. Am I seein' things? Also, the sink looked like a zora (the oldstyle zoras) ... also, PCP?

== Real-World Overkill ==

Is the item "Caesars is a casino brand owned by Harrah's Entertainment" a little overkill on the real-world references? I don't think it's really necessary. --[[User:MadShrubbery|MadShrubbery]] 19:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
: I don't mind that. There may be some people who don't know what Caesar's is immediately. they may think of salad... not everyone is as smart as you and i

== Page Title Reference ==

I'm mostly certain that the page title is a reference to comedian Robin Harris' routine "Bebe's Kids" which became a movie in 1992.
:It's already listed in Real World Refs. [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 20:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Gold Digger ==

In explanations it explains what a gold digger is. When did they ever even say that in the toon? [[User:D&d greg|D&d greg]] 20:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
: It doesn't, really, but Momkins ''is'' dressed as a prospector. That's probably what the person who wrote that fact was thinking. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Would it be better to say "The fact that Momkins goes "prospecting" for ex-husbands refers to the concept of a "gold-digger", which is..."? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 21:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== She gone ==

Probably not worth noting other than here on the talk page, but the way "She gone" was said seems to be very similar to [[Wikipedia:Ken Harrelson|Hawk Harrelson]]'s strikeout call for Chicago White Sox games, "He gone!" Again, probably not noteworthy, but I was just curious if any other Midwesterners on here noticed that as well.[[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 21:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think it's a reference. There's no real context tying them together, and Strong Bad puts more emphasis on the second word ("She ''gone''"), whereas what's his face puts more stress on the first word ("''He'' gone"). (Man, I hate ''everything'' about the way that guy calls a game.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== PCP ==

this is the first and only refrence to drugs of any kind right? {{unsigned|68.164.230.188|23:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)}}

:Good question. There are quite a few references to [[alcohol]] and [[smoking]] and one possible, indirect reference to [[Talk:4 branches#Legalization?|marijuana]], but that's all I can think of. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, we have a whole article on [[drugs]]. Though most of them are the prescription kind. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:29, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:::There's also a (direct) reference to [[Scroll Button Songs#SB-2003-05-19|crack cocaine.]] So yeah, nothing new. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

==Each and Every Boy==

Isn't it a reference to TGS1? [[User:Awexome Cross|Awexome Cross]] 23:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Buttcrack Plumbing ==

Should we add a reference to the stereotype that plumbers show their, uh, hind quarters when they bend over? ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:48, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:I think most people should be able to pick up that joke just by the name "Buttcrack Plumbing"... it's a common stereotype. -{{User:YK/sig}} 03:34, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== P or E? ==

Peacey P's name could refer to either [[Wikipedia:Percee P|Percee P]] or [[Wikipedia:Eazy E|Eazy E]], but his note in the [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 13#Real-World References|Real-world references]] section and his entry in [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Peacey P|Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters]] didn't match. I've edited them to match, but we shouldn't keep them as "either-or" facts. Which one should we choose? — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 11:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:First one seems more likely to me. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 12:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
::Not sure, Eazy E seemed more popular. Peacey P prefers to be underground, whilst Eazy E has had "critical and commercial success". Then again, it's probably TTATOT. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 12:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

:I do not believe that the brothers Chaps has heard of Percee P, but who am I to say? [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 09:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:please for the love of crap let this be TTATOT

== SAT ==

"Syllogisms are often found on the SAT."

Um... no they're not.

:Exactly, annony. They used to be ("old" SAT), but they got rid of them with the "New" SAT [[User:Coveredinharmony|CoveredinSuudzu]] 15:08, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== Snack mix with a monocle ==

I believe the snack mix wearing a monocle is a reference to Mr. Peanut, the mascot for the Planters company.
[[User:Nsayer|Nsayer]] 14:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 13

JamesDean — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:50:06 GMT

JamesDean: /* Real-World Overkill */

==!==
*Oops. Looks like we got two images. Which one should we choose? I uploaded mine one minute before Techgeekmbg. --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 05:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== The bodyguard ==

Looks exactly like Olympic Man from issue 10. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 06:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Yup — that's what I put in the transcript. The blurred words on his shirt read "Olympic Man". {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Hotel balcony dangling reference ==

So, right now the following two real-world references are both in the article:
<blockquote>
* The Olympic Guy dangling The Ugly One from a hotel balcony is a reference to a widely-publicized event in 2002, when [[Wikipedia:Michael Jackson|Michael Jackson]] dangled his son from a hotel balcony;
* Dangling The Ugly One over the balcony is also a reference to [[Wikipedia:Vanilla_Ice|Vanilla Ice's]] claim that rap record producer [[Wikipedia:Suge_Knight|Marion "Suge" Knight]] hung him up upside down on a hotel balcony in order to get Vanilla Ice to turn over his royalties. This relates to the rapper Peacey P shown earlier in the episode.
</blockquote>
They can't both be true. When I first watched the toon, I thought of the Michael Jackson incident, but now that I think about it, the Vanilla Ice one makes sense. First, it fits with the rapper theme (Peacey P), and second, Olympic Man dangles The Ugly One by her ankles (Michael Jackson held his baby by the torso). Any thoughts? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Hm. I have to agree. I thought of Michael Jackson when I first watched the toon, too, but the Vanilla Ice thing, while I'd never heard of it beforehand, makes more sense in context. It's not quite TTATOT, and warrants mention, but... If I had to choose, I'd say go with the latter of the two. -{{User:YK/sig}} 07:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Although I also immediately thought of Wacko Jacko, the theme here is Hip-Hop, which Jacko is not. The latter makes more sense in context. It won't be long till this'll get STUFFed anyway. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 09:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know where to post this, cuz I'm editing on Wii and it won't let me start a new row. Peacy P's name must be a reference to Eazy-E of N.W.A, right? [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 09:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:No, it's more of a reference to "Doggy Dog" (as in "Snoop Doggy Dog"), which is whom Peacy P is parodying. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 09:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

But then again, I'm teekin bot the name, and since Eazy-E is both a rapper and rimes with Peacy P I'd guess that there's a reference here. [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 14:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== goo goo is wah wah? ==

"Goo goo is ga-ga. Wah wah is ga-ga. Are all goo goos wah wahs?"

Algebraically, this is: "A = B, C = B, does A = C?"

Being that algebra is a popular thing to test for in the SAT's I thought I'd at least bring it up. Don't know if it's worth mentioning on the page though.--[[User:69.243.221.87|69.243.221.87]] 08:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

: That's not ''quite'' what that corresponds to (it's not an algebraic statement; it's a logical grouping statement) but, yeah, that it what they're talking about. Like you, I doubt it merits inclusion on the page. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, it's more the question of "Lions are Felines. Tigers are Felines. Are all Lions Tigers?" But I think it deserves some mention in the Fun Facts. Since it's an actual IQ question, I'm sure there's a few that wouldn't be able to really solve it (I know I had to think about it for a few seconds to work it out) which deserves being mentioned and solved in the Fun Facts. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 19:15, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Eau de toilette ==

Regarding the reference to the French "Toilet water" is it worth putting that this is only the literal translation, with the actual product being Cologne? Eg, Eau de toilette is French for Cologne, literally "Toilet water"

:Actually, it's not even a literal translation. The literal translation is "bathroom water." "Toilette" means "bathroom." {{unsigned|70.44.119.165|15:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)}}

::Well, "toilet" was used the sense meaning "a lady's dressing table and the various actions such as fixing her hair and putting on perfume and makeup" in English when the word was first borrowed, just as it did in French. In French and in English, the word evolved to mean either the bathroom itself or the commode precisely because it was originally a euphemism, like "powder-room." "Toilet water" is more of a vestigial remnant of that than a mistranslation. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet#Etymology

:: Also consider the word "toiletries" another surviving reference to this term. The use of "toilet" to mean something other than personal grooming and the area for it is 20th century English invention.

{{talk}}

== M.A.S.H.E.D.'.D ==
Says I that m.a.s.h. is not a reference to the TV show, but just to the video game practice of button mashing. This is reflected later with The Ugly One t.a.p.ing the TV remote.
:I agree — I considered this, but (1) M*A*S*H has asterisks, not periods between the letters, and (2) "m.a.s.h." has one after the last letter, whereas M*A*S*H does not. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::But here's the question: if they didn't put dots between MASH because of M*A*S*H, why else did they put them in? And even if it is a coincidence, couldn't we still mention it? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Unless someone can come up with a better explantion, i think that this is a good reference. If it gets STUFF'd...well, who cares -{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}

== Tompkins playing a GameBoy? ==
when Tompkins is shown playing with his virtual pet, it looks a heck of a lot like a GameBoy (original). anyone think this should be put somewhere? or am i just crazy? --[[User:EricTheDerek|EricTheDerek]] 14:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

:It's mentioned a few times in the transcript; do you think it should be mentioned elsewhere? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure there have been virtual pet games on the Game Boy, so maybe Tompkins is playing one of those. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:::There was actually a Tamagotchi game for GameBoy; I own it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:53, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::The transcript now says he's playing with a tamagotchi, not a game boy... is that normal? -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 15:48, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== I have a crush on EACH AND EVERY BOY!! ==

Does anyone else think Cheerleader's saying "I'll call EACH AND EVERY BOY!!" is reminiscent of The Ugly One's saying "I have a crush on EVERY BOY!!"? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 19:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Door from Alice in Wonderland ==

The fact that the door of Tompkins' house is the door from the Alice in Wonderland cartoon - Real world reference? Also, the top row of cereal boxes in the pantries seem to be Count Chocula, Frankenberry, and Boo Berry, though admittedly crude Strong-Bad-ish renderings. → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … Y'all biscuitheads! 19:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Well, I see my addition of the Alice in Wonderland fact has been removed. It's pretty clear that the door on this cartoon is based on the talking door (the door knob being on the face of the talking door, not the face itself as the removal notice claims...) but I'm not going to get into a revert war on my first edit. :B → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … Y'all biscuitheads! 20:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::When the door's open, that looks like some Japanese there to me. Am I seein' things? Also, the sink looked like a zora (the oldstyle zoras) ... also, PCP?

== Real-World Overkill ==

Is the item "Caesars is a casino brand owned by Harrah's Entertainment" a little overkill on the real-world references? I don't think it's really necessary. --[[User:MadShrubbery|MadShrubbery]] 19:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
: I don't mind that. There may be some people who don't know what Caesar's is immediately. they may think of salad... not everyone is as smart as you and i

== Page Title Reference ==

I'm mostly certain that the page title is a reference to comedian Robin Harris' routine "Bebe's Kids" which became a movie in 1992.
:It's already listed in Real World Refs. [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 20:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Gold Digger ==

In explanations it explains what a gold digger is. When did they ever even say that in the toon? [[User:D&d greg|D&d greg]] 20:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
: It doesn't, really, but Momkins ''is'' dressed as a prospector. That's probably what the person who wrote that fact was thinking. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Would it be better to say "The fact that Momkins goes "prospecting" for ex-husbands refers to the concept of a "gold-digger", which is..."? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 21:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== She gone ==

Probably not worth noting other than here on the talk page, but the way "She gone" was said seems to be very similar to [[Wikipedia:Ken Harrelson|Hawk Harrelson]]'s strikeout call for Chicago White Sox games, "He gone!" Again, probably not noteworthy, but I was just curious if any other Midwesterners on here noticed that as well.[[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 21:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think it's a reference. There's no real context tying them together, and Strong Bad puts more emphasis on the second word ("She ''gone''"), whereas what's his face puts more stress on the first word ("''He'' gone"). (Man, I hate ''everything'' about the way that guy calls a game.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== PCP ==

this is the first and only refrence to drugs of any kind right? {{unsigned|68.164.230.188|23:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)}}

:Good question. There are quite a few references to [[alcohol]] and [[smoking]] and one possible, indirect reference to [[Talk:4 branches#Legalization?|marijuana]], but that's all I can think of. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, we have a whole article on [[drugs]]. Though most of them are the prescription kind. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:29, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:::There's also a (direct) reference to [[Scroll Button Songs#SB-2003-05-19|crack cocaine.]] So yeah, nothing new. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

==Each and Every Boy==

Isn't it a reference to TGS1? [[User:Awexome Cross|Awexome Cross]] 23:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Buttcrack Plumbing ==

Should we add a reference to the stereotype that plumbers show their, uh, hind quarters when they bend over? ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:48, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:I think most people should be able to pick up that joke just by the name "Buttcrack Plumbing"... it's a common stereotype. -{{User:YK/sig}} 03:34, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== P or E? ==

Peacey P's name could refer to either [[Wikipedia:Percee P|Percee P]] or [[Wikipedia:Eazy E|Eazy E]], but his note in the [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 13#Real-World References|Real-world references]] section and his entry in [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Peacey P|Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters]] didn't match. I've edited them to match, but we shouldn't keep them as "either-or" facts. Which one should we choose? — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 11:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:First one seems more likely to me. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 12:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
::Not sure, Eazy E seemed more popular. Peacey P prefers to be underground, whilst Eazy E has had "critical and commercial success". Then again, it's probably TTATOT. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 12:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

:I do not believe that the brothers Chaps has heard of Percee P, but who am I to say? [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 09:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== SAT ==

"Syllogisms are often found on the SAT."

Um... no they're not.

:Exactly, annony. They used to be ("old" SAT), but they got rid of them with the "New" SAT [[User:Coveredinharmony|CoveredinSuudzu]] 15:08, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== Snack mix with a monocle ==

I believe the snack mix wearing a monocle is a reference to Mr. Peanut, the mascot for the Planters company.
[[User:Nsayer|Nsayer]] 14:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 13

JamesDean — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:48:49 GMT

JamesDean: /* Tompkins playing a GameBoy? */

==!==
*Oops. Looks like we got two images. Which one should we choose? I uploaded mine one minute before Techgeekmbg. --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 05:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== The bodyguard ==

Looks exactly like Olympic Man from issue 10. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 06:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Yup — that's what I put in the transcript. The blurred words on his shirt read "Olympic Man". {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Hotel balcony dangling reference ==

So, right now the following two real-world references are both in the article:
<blockquote>
* The Olympic Guy dangling The Ugly One from a hotel balcony is a reference to a widely-publicized event in 2002, when [[Wikipedia:Michael Jackson|Michael Jackson]] dangled his son from a hotel balcony;
* Dangling The Ugly One over the balcony is also a reference to [[Wikipedia:Vanilla_Ice|Vanilla Ice's]] claim that rap record producer [[Wikipedia:Suge_Knight|Marion "Suge" Knight]] hung him up upside down on a hotel balcony in order to get Vanilla Ice to turn over his royalties. This relates to the rapper Peacey P shown earlier in the episode.
</blockquote>
They can't both be true. When I first watched the toon, I thought of the Michael Jackson incident, but now that I think about it, the Vanilla Ice one makes sense. First, it fits with the rapper theme (Peacey P), and second, Olympic Man dangles The Ugly One by her ankles (Michael Jackson held his baby by the torso). Any thoughts? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Hm. I have to agree. I thought of Michael Jackson when I first watched the toon, too, but the Vanilla Ice thing, while I'd never heard of it beforehand, makes more sense in context. It's not quite TTATOT, and warrants mention, but... If I had to choose, I'd say go with the latter of the two. -{{User:YK/sig}} 07:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Although I also immediately thought of Wacko Jacko, the theme here is Hip-Hop, which Jacko is not. The latter makes more sense in context. It won't be long till this'll get STUFFed anyway. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 09:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know where to post this, cuz I'm editing on Wii and it won't let me start a new row. Peacy P's name must be a reference to Eazy-E of N.W.A, right? [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 09:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:No, it's more of a reference to "Doggy Dog" (as in "Snoop Doggy Dog"), which is whom Peacy P is parodying. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 09:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

But then again, I'm teekin bot the name, and since Eazy-E is both a rapper and rimes with Peacy P I'd guess that there's a reference here. [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 14:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== goo goo is wah wah? ==

"Goo goo is ga-ga. Wah wah is ga-ga. Are all goo goos wah wahs?"

Algebraically, this is: "A = B, C = B, does A = C?"

Being that algebra is a popular thing to test for in the SAT's I thought I'd at least bring it up. Don't know if it's worth mentioning on the page though.--[[User:69.243.221.87|69.243.221.87]] 08:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

: That's not ''quite'' what that corresponds to (it's not an algebraic statement; it's a logical grouping statement) but, yeah, that it what they're talking about. Like you, I doubt it merits inclusion on the page. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, it's more the question of "Lions are Felines. Tigers are Felines. Are all Lions Tigers?" But I think it deserves some mention in the Fun Facts. Since it's an actual IQ question, I'm sure there's a few that wouldn't be able to really solve it (I know I had to think about it for a few seconds to work it out) which deserves being mentioned and solved in the Fun Facts. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 19:15, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Eau de toilette ==

Regarding the reference to the French "Toilet water" is it worth putting that this is only the literal translation, with the actual product being Cologne? Eg, Eau de toilette is French for Cologne, literally "Toilet water"

:Actually, it's not even a literal translation. The literal translation is "bathroom water." "Toilette" means "bathroom." {{unsigned|70.44.119.165|15:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)}}

::Well, "toilet" was used the sense meaning "a lady's dressing table and the various actions such as fixing her hair and putting on perfume and makeup" in English when the word was first borrowed, just as it did in French. In French and in English, the word evolved to mean either the bathroom itself or the commode precisely because it was originally a euphemism, like "powder-room." "Toilet water" is more of a vestigial remnant of that than a mistranslation. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet#Etymology

:: Also consider the word "toiletries" another surviving reference to this term. The use of "toilet" to mean something other than personal grooming and the area for it is 20th century English invention.

{{talk}}

== M.A.S.H.E.D.'.D ==
Says I that m.a.s.h. is not a reference to the TV show, but just to the video game practice of button mashing. This is reflected later with The Ugly One t.a.p.ing the TV remote.
:I agree — I considered this, but (1) M*A*S*H has asterisks, not periods between the letters, and (2) "m.a.s.h." has one after the last letter, whereas M*A*S*H does not. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::But here's the question: if they didn't put dots between MASH because of M*A*S*H, why else did they put them in? And even if it is a coincidence, couldn't we still mention it? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Unless someone can come up with a better explantion, i think that this is a good reference. If it gets STUFF'd...well, who cares -{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}

== Tompkins playing a GameBoy? ==
when Tompkins is shown playing with his virtual pet, it looks a heck of a lot like a GameBoy (original). anyone think this should be put somewhere? or am i just crazy? --[[User:EricTheDerek|EricTheDerek]] 14:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

:It's mentioned a few times in the transcript; do you think it should be mentioned elsewhere? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure there have been virtual pet games on the Game Boy, so maybe Tompkins is playing one of those. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:::There was actually a Tamagotchi game for GameBoy; I own it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:53, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::The transcript now says he's playing with a tamagotchi, not a game boy... is that normal? -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 15:48, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== I have a crush on EACH AND EVERY BOY!! ==

Does anyone else think Cheerleader's saying "I'll call EACH AND EVERY BOY!!" is reminiscent of The Ugly One's saying "I have a crush on EVERY BOY!!"? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 19:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Door from Alice in Wonderland ==

The fact that the door of Tompkins' house is the door from the Alice in Wonderland cartoon - Real world reference? Also, the top row of cereal boxes in the pantries seem to be Count Chocula, Frankenberry, and Boo Berry, though admittedly crude Strong-Bad-ish renderings. → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … Y'all biscuitheads! 19:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Well, I see my addition of the Alice in Wonderland fact has been removed. It's pretty clear that the door on this cartoon is based on the talking door (the door knob being on the face of the talking door, not the face itself as the removal notice claims...) but I'm not going to get into a revert war on my first edit. :B → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … Y'all biscuitheads! 20:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::When the door's open, that looks like some Japanese there to me. Am I seein' things? Also, the sink looked like a zora (the oldstyle zoras) ... also, PCP?

== Real-World Overkill ==

Is the item "Caesars is a casino brand owned by Harrah's Entertainment" a little overkill on the real-world references? I don't think it's really necessary. --[[User:MadShrubbery|MadShrubbery]] 19:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Page Title Reference ==

I'm mostly certain that the page title is a reference to comedian Robin Harris' routine "Bebe's Kids" which became a movie in 1992.
:It's already listed in Real World Refs. [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 20:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Gold Digger ==

In explanations it explains what a gold digger is. When did they ever even say that in the toon? [[User:D&d greg|D&d greg]] 20:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
: It doesn't, really, but Momkins ''is'' dressed as a prospector. That's probably what the person who wrote that fact was thinking. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Would it be better to say "The fact that Momkins goes "prospecting" for ex-husbands refers to the concept of a "gold-digger", which is..."? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 21:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== She gone ==

Probably not worth noting other than here on the talk page, but the way "She gone" was said seems to be very similar to [[Wikipedia:Ken Harrelson|Hawk Harrelson]]'s strikeout call for Chicago White Sox games, "He gone!" Again, probably not noteworthy, but I was just curious if any other Midwesterners on here noticed that as well.[[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 21:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think it's a reference. There's no real context tying them together, and Strong Bad puts more emphasis on the second word ("She ''gone''"), whereas what's his face puts more stress on the first word ("''He'' gone"). (Man, I hate ''everything'' about the way that guy calls a game.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== PCP ==

this is the first and only refrence to drugs of any kind right? {{unsigned|68.164.230.188|23:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)}}

:Good question. There are quite a few references to [[alcohol]] and [[smoking]] and one possible, indirect reference to [[Talk:4 branches#Legalization?|marijuana]], but that's all I can think of. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, we have a whole article on [[drugs]]. Though most of them are the prescription kind. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:29, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:::There's also a (direct) reference to [[Scroll Button Songs#SB-2003-05-19|crack cocaine.]] So yeah, nothing new. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

==Each and Every Boy==

Isn't it a reference to TGS1? [[User:Awexome Cross|Awexome Cross]] 23:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Buttcrack Plumbing ==

Should we add a reference to the stereotype that plumbers show their, uh, hind quarters when they bend over? ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:48, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:I think most people should be able to pick up that joke just by the name "Buttcrack Plumbing"... it's a common stereotype. -{{User:YK/sig}} 03:34, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== P or E? ==

Peacey P's name could refer to either [[Wikipedia:Percee P|Percee P]] or [[Wikipedia:Eazy E|Eazy E]], but his note in the [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 13#Real-World References|Real-world references]] section and his entry in [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Peacey P|Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters]] didn't match. I've edited them to match, but we shouldn't keep them as "either-or" facts. Which one should we choose? — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 11:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:First one seems more likely to me. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 12:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
::Not sure, Eazy E seemed more popular. Peacey P prefers to be underground, whilst Eazy E has had "critical and commercial success". Then again, it's probably TTATOT. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 12:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

:I do not believe that the brothers Chaps has heard of Percee P, but who am I to say? [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 09:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== SAT ==

"Syllogisms are often found on the SAT."

Um... no they're not.

:Exactly, annony. They used to be ("old" SAT), but they got rid of them with the "New" SAT [[User:Coveredinharmony|CoveredinSuudzu]] 15:08, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== Snack mix with a monocle ==

I believe the snack mix wearing a monocle is a reference to Mr. Peanut, the mascot for the Planters company.
[[User:Nsayer|Nsayer]] 14:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Teen Girl Squad Issue 13

JamesDean — Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:46:17 GMT

JamesDean: very hard to read "'"s

{{tgsnav|13|Teen_Girl_Squad_Issue_12|Issue 12|Teen_Girl_Squad_Issue_1|Issue 1}}
[[Image:Tgs13.png|thumb|"Don't let Timkins play my PSone!"]]

[[So And So]] is baby-sitting, but her friends interrupt.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Tompkins}}, [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Momkins|Momkins]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Baby Timkins|Baby Timkins]], {{Film|So and So}}, [[Arrow'd Guy|Baby-Sat guy]][[Category: Arrow'd Guy Filmography]], {{Film|Cheerleader}}, {{Film|What's Her Face}}, {{Film|The Ugly One}}, [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Buttcrack Plumber|Plumber]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Peacey P|Peacey P]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Olympic Man and Coach|Olympic Man]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Policemen|Policemen]]

'''Places:''' [[Teen Girl Squad Locations#Tompkins's House|Tompkins's house]], [[Teen Girl Squad Locations#Hotel Balcony|Hotel Balcony]]

'''Date:''' Monday, June 18th, 2007

'''Running Time:''' 3:25

'''Page Title:''' Bebe's Sitter's Kids!

==Transcript==
''{The toon opens with Tompkins playing his Game Boy with a silhouette of his mother waving to him. The Teen Girl Squad theme music plays.}''

'''TOMPKINS:''' Aww, peas Momkins. I don't need a babysitter.

''{Zoom out to reveal Momkins, a robot wearing cowboy boots and a hat and carrying a pickaxe, along with a baby.}''

'''TOMPKINS:''' I can watch baby Timkins while you go out prospecting for future ex-husbands.

'''MOMKINS:''' Whatevs little man. You can't even take care of your own virtual pet.

''{Cut to a closeup of the Game Boy screen, displaying a bloated pet and the text, "Food: 600%". Music stops}''

'''VIRTUAL PET:''' Please stop feeding me!

''{Music continues. Tompkins begins mashing the buttons on the Game Boy.}''

'''TOMPKINS:''' Teh heh heh heh heh.

''{Cut to Momkins standing next to the front door, which has a large, wrinkly face on it}''

'''FRONT DOOR:''' Ding dong. Ding dong, yo.

''{The door opens to reveal So and So, with fangs.}''

'''SO AND SO:''' Hello Mrs. Tompkinsrobotmomerson. I know I'm 3 hours early, but I wanted to...

'''MOMKINS:''' Listen, I'll be at a place until a time. My cell phone number is some numbers. The baby needs stuff. What's poison control? Punch Tompkins in the gut. Good luck.

''{Momkins rushes out the door with a crazed look on her face and her tongue hanging out of her mouth. Her hat flies off and So and So's hair is disheveled as she leaves.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' She gone!

''{Cut to So and So speaking to Tompkins, who is playing his Game Boy next to a clock. The clock reads 5:03}''

'''SO AND SO:''' ''{pointing to her watch}'' Alright Tompkins, it is WAY past your bedtime.

'''TOMPKINS:''' ''{pointing at a flustered So and So}'' Listen babysit, I don't need to be babysat. I'll be in my room reorganizing my trenchcoats.

''{As Tompkins leaves, a giant baby resembling the Arrow'd Guy lands on and crushes him. The music stops.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' BABY SAT!

'''TOMPKINS:''' Don't let Timkins play my PSone!!!!!

''{Cut to a Teen Girl Squad title screen, featuring Cheerleader (wearing a dress labeled "Ms. Thang"), The Ugly One, and What's Her Face smashing through a wall. "issue 13" and "by: strong bad" appear in the corners. The theme music plays.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' Teen Girl Squad!!! Cheerleader! ''{$15/hour}'' What's Her Face! ''{$4.75/hour}'' The Ugly One! ''{plain yogurt/hour}''

''{Cut to So and So speaking to the other girls next to the smashed wall}''

'''SO AND SO:''' Not now, you guys. I'm babysitting.

''{Close up on Cheerleader}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Oh, we know how to babysit... ''{grows hypnotic eyes and fangs, and pulls out a cell phone and several volumes of "Dem Boys"}'' I'll call EACH AND EVERY BOY!!

''{Cut to What's Her Face}''

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' I'll eat all their food!

''{Cut to The Ugly One, wearing a crown and a ruffled collar, holding a remote}''

'''THE UGLY ONE:''' Just call me the queen of pay-per-view! ''{throws off the crown and collar and pushes the remote buttons. The text "t.a.p.s." appears every time the buttons are pushed}'' I think Ola Toya is fighting Camptown Jr. at Caesar's tonight!

''{Cut back to shot of So and So talking to Cheerleader (holding the cell phone), What's Her Face and The Ugly One (holding the remote)}''

'''SO AND SO:''' SHHH! Keep it down! The baby is studying for the SAT.

''{Cut to baby Timkins, under a pile of four books labeled "babySAT"}''

'''TIMKINS:''' Goo goo is ga-ga. Wah wah is ga-ga. ''{raises finger}'' Are all goo goos wah wahs?

''{Cut to an annoyed Cheerleader, holding her cell phone. Her dress now reads "The future Ms. Thang".}''

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Dag! None of my regulars are picking up! Let's see who on my B-list!

''{The phone rings, and the screen splits to show a plumber answering the call on a plunger.}''

'''PLUMBER:''' Uh, Buttcrack Plumbing!

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Hi Randy! I'm babysittin' tonight. Wanna come over and sneak in through the back window?

'''PLUMBER:''' And this is for a how many gallon toilet, ma'am?

'''CHEERLEADER:''' Bring all your hot friends... they've got two pantries!!!

''{A toilet with a beret, a mustache, a goatee, and a loaf of french bread crushes Cheerleader with a plunger.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' EAU DE TOiLETTE!

'''CHEERLEADER:''' So dignified!

''{Cut to What's Her Face standing between the two pantries}''

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' Wow! 2 pantries! I'll have me a diet soda I s'pose.

''{So and So enters, livid with a giant mouth and fangs.}''

'''SO AND SO:''' STOP! How many of those have you had?!?!

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' ''{annoyed}'' Uh, negative one sip.

''{So and So holds up a textbook entitled, "<s>urban legends</s> i mean health class"}''

'''SO AND SO:''' Don't you remember health class? You'll microwave the baby!!

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' ''{holding up a "Diet Brown" can}'' This is Diet Brown, not PCP.

''{The Ugly One slides into the room. What's Her Face and So and So look surprised.}''

'''THE UGLY ONE:''' Did somebody say Peacey P? I LOVES the Peacey P!

[[Image:Peacey P.png|thumb|[Peace symbol]y P]]]

''{Cut to Peacey P, wearing a jersey labeled "[Peace symbol]y P", standing with Olympic Man (with a blurred jersey)}''

'''PEACEY P:''' Crample-o stow wha clamminuh whaow. My new album drop next sursdai. Ya'll biscuitheads.

''{The Ugly One enters with a (Peace symbol)y necklace, and a pencil and notepad.}''

'''THE UGLY ONE:''' Can a sista get an autograph?

''{Olympic Man dangles The Ugly One off a balcony}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' DANGLED OFF A HOTEL BALCONY'D!!

'''THE UGLY ONE:''' That's it?

''{Zoom out as The Ugly One is dropped from the balcony into a "bayonet tailgate party"}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' Uh, and then DROPPED FROM SAID HOTEL BALCONY'D!!

'''THE UGLY ONE:''' That's better!

''{Cut to So and So holding a dirty diaper and yelling at baby Timkins}''

'''SO AND SO:''' What kinda dirty diaper is this?! I told you to alphabetize this stuff!

''{Cut to Front Door. A surprised So and So is leaning in, still holding the diaper}''

'''FRONT DOOR:''' BANG! BANG! BANG!

'''THE POLICE:''' ''{from behind the door}'' Open up! It's the police!

''{Cut to a terrified So and So jumping in the air, dropping the diaper}''

'''SO AND SO:''' AHH! THE POPO! I can't do another nickel!

''{So and So jumps into the kitchen sink as background music begins to play.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' GARBAGE DISPOSAL, 

''{Cut to a shot of the garbage disposal in the sink, with evil eyes and fangs}''

WHAT A WAY TO GO! 

''{Cut to a grinning So and So in the garbage disposal, dancing with a plate, a spoon, a piece of broccoli and a carrot.}''

GARBAGE DISPOSAL, 

''{All but So and So's arm disappears}''

MEET SO AND SO!

''{So and So's arm disappears. The plate, spoon, broccoli and carrot look surprised. Music stops and is replaced by the theme music. Cut to the Front Door, where What's Her Face has let two policemen into the house.}''

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' Can I help you gentlemen?

'''POLICEMAN 1:''' Uh, yes, ma'am. We got a report of us wanting to watch the Ola Toya fight. You mind if we investigate?

'''POLICEMAN 2:''' ''{holding up a packet labeled "Snack Mix"}'' I brought snack mix.

''{Cut to a "confidential" envelope out of which three game cards are removed.}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' The Snak Mix, in Tompkins' Parlor, WITH THE PRETZEL STICK!

''{Cut to a life-sized Snak Mix bag with a monocle, who clubs What's Her Face with a pretzel stick}''

'''WHAT'S HER FACE:''' OW! MY STYLE! (or lack thereof)

''{Cut to Momkins, the two policemen, and baby Timkins sitting on a couch watching TV}''

'''TV ANNOUNCER:''' ...anuddah vicious right!!!

'''POLICEMAN 1:''' I need to put an APB out on some microwave popcorn.

'''POLICEMAN 2:''' ''{looking at Momkins}'' I'd like to report a very good-looking robot prospector.

'''MOMKINS:''' Awww, shush!

''{Brief pause. The music stops}''

'''TIMKINS:''' ''{pointing at Policeman 1}'' You're not my real father!

''{Cut to the usual "It's over!" screen}''

'''NARRATOR STRONG BAD:''' It's over!

==Easter Eggs==
[[Image:Deliberance.PNG|thumb|Drops Next Sursdai!]]
*Click on the "O" at the end to see a promo for Peacey P's new album.
:''{The Crample-O Stow Records logo appears. The logo is a gold hand making a C shape in a gold circle. The logo shines a few times. Hip hop music plays in the background}''
:'''ANNOUNCER:''' Crample-O Stow Records presents...
:''{Peacey P's album appears}''
:'''ANNOUNCER:''' ..."Deliberance", the new album from Peacey P...
:''{As the announcer says the following words, they appear in yellow zig-zags}''
:'''ANNOUNCER:''' ...featuring: Large Craig, featuring: The Overripe MC, featuring: Tenerence Love, featuring: Akryllix & 3rd Lung, featuring: Peacey P!
:'''PEACEY P:''' I'm a guest star on my own album, ya'll biscuitheads!
:''{The words "Drops Next Sursdai!" appear in a red oval at the bottom. Music fades out.}''

==Fun Facts==

===Explanations===
*[[Wikipedia:Phencyclidine|PCP]], also known as angel dust, is a recreational [[drug]].
*''[[Wikipedia:Perfume|Eau de Toilette]]'' is [[French]] for a light, low concentrate perfume. "Toilet(te)" is used in an obsolete sense in both English and French to refer to personal grooming, the same sense as "toiletry".
*APB stands for [[Wikipedia:all points bulletin|all points bulletin]], a broadcast issued from one law enforcement agency to another, typically containing information about a wanted suspect.
*The [[Wikipedia:SAT|SAT Reasoning Test]] is a test that is frequently taken prior to entry into college in America.
**Timkins's line "Goo goo is ga-ga. Wah wah is ga-ga. Are all goo goos wah wahs?" is a [[Wikipedia:Syllogism|syllogism]] of the form "All X are Y. All Z are Y. Are all X Z?" (the correct answer is "not necessarily"). Syllogisms were previously used on the SAT, but were removed in the new edition of the SAT.
*A "nickel" is slang for a 5-year prison sentence.
*Olympic Man's jersey is blurred because trademarked logos on clothing are often obscured by the producers of television or music videos when they don't want the logos visible in the final product.

===Trivia===
*This is the first Teen Girl Squad issue to use a [[Wikipedia:Cold open|cold open]] instead of starting immediately with the opening title sequence.
*This is the first TGS issue since issue #7 in which Strong Bad does not work a variation of himself into the comic.

===Remarks===
*The '2 pantries' are actually one pantry with a reverse image next to it.

===Goofs===
*The "Loading" frames are not rounded at the corners.
*Tompkins is misspelled as "Tomkins" on the [[TV Time Toons Menu|Toons menu]] description.

===Fixed Goofs===
*Tompkins's name was misspelled as "Tomkins" through the entire toon, except in the Snack Mix sequence ("Tompkins' Parlor").
*When Cheerleader was telling the plumber to sneak in through the back window, the text read "the through," while she said "through the."

===Inside References===
*What's Her Face comments about the loss of her [[style]].
*When Tompkins pushes the buttons on his [[Nintendo|Game Boy]] to feed his virtual pet, the text [[Mashing Go|"m.a.s.h."]] appears.
*So and So saying "I can't do another nickel!" is in reference to [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 11]] when So and So was in jail for shoplifting.
*Tompkins's mom's name ends with [[Names ending in -erson|-erson]].
*This issue contains several words or phrases ending in [['d]].

===Real-World References===
*Tompkins's virtual pet resembles a [[Wikipedia:Tamagotchi|Tamagotchi]].
*Peacey P's name resembles either [[Wikipedia:Eazy E|Eazy E]] or [[Wikipedia:Percee P|Percee P]], and his voice and singing style are very similar to [[Wikipedia:Snoop Dogg|Snoop Dogg]].
*So and So's line "You'll microwave the baby!!" and the book of urban legends she is holding reference the urban legend of a stoned babysitter [[Snopes:horrors/drugs/babysitter.asp|mistaking a baby for a roast]], and accidentally putting it in the oven (or microwave, in some versions).
*The lines about the Snack Mix prior to What's Her Face's demise are based on the board game [[Wikipedia:Cluedo|Clue]]. The picture of the Snack Mix on the card resembles Clue character [[Wikipedia:Cluedo_characters|Colonel Mustard]] .
*The title of the short is a reference to comedian [[Wikipedia:Robin Harris|Robin Harris's]] "Bébé's Kids" stand-up comedy act. After his death, his routine was adapted into a movie, also called [[Wikipedia:Bebe's Kids|"Bébé's Kids"]], the first animated feature with a majority African-American cast.
*"Ding dong. Ding dong, yo." is a memorable line from the video for [[Wikipedia:Fat (song)|"Fat"]] by [[Wikipedia:"Weird Al" Yankovic|"Weird Al" Yankovic]].
*Dangling The Ugly One over the balcony is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Vanilla Ice|Vanilla Ice's]] claim that rap record producer [[Wikipedia:Suge Knight|Marion "Suge" Knight]] hung him up upside down on a hotel balcony in order to get Vanilla Ice to turn over his royalties. This relates to the rapper Peacey P shown earlier in the episode.
*When the policemen arrive, So and So thinks she is in legal trouble, but all the policemen want is to watch the fight on Pay-per-view. This is a take of a similar scene in [[Wikipedia:Homer vs. Lisa and the 8th Commandment|Homer vs. Lisa and the 8th Commandment]] when Eddie and Lou arrive to watch the fight on Homer's illegal cable hookup.
*The [[Wikipedia:PlayStation#PSone|PSOne]] is a smaller and redesigned version of the [[Wikipedia:PlayStation|PlayStation]] video game console, released by [[Wikipedia:Sony Computer Entertainment|Sony Computer Entertainment]] in 2000.
*"Ola Toya is fighting Camptown Jr. at Caesar's tonight" is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:De_La_Hoya-Mayweather|De La Hoya-Mayweather Jr. Fight]] at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas in May 2007.
*[[Wikipedia:Harrah's Entertainment#Caesars brand|Caesars]] is a casino brand owned by [[Wikipedia:Harrah's Entertainment|Harrah's Entertainment]].

==External Links==
*[[HR:tgs13.html|watch "Teen Girl Squad Issue 13"]]
*[[HR:tgs13.swf|view the Flash file for "Teen Girl Squad Issue 13"]]
*[[Forum:11698|forum thread re: "Teen Girl Squad Issue 13"]]

{{Teen Girl Squad}}

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Talk:Who Said What Now?

JamesDean — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:35:20 GMT

JamesDean: /**/Fact/Goof

Does anyone know where I can find that fan music video for Strong Sad's line? I always liked it. --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 04:20, 1 May 2005 (UTC)

:I know where you can find it. It's called "Strong Bad Rocks Out" by [[The Skate Party]]. You can listen to it (or download it) using a link on my forum. Here's the URL: [http://www.strongfans.com/portal/show_entry.asp?TYP=2&EntryID=169] Enjoy! {{User:The Paper/sig}} 14:43, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

::Or go here- http://newgrounds.com/portal/view/187036. [[User:Ookelaylay|Ookelaylay]] 20:59, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==The tab==
the tab has 3-type-D animation, ie, when you pull it, it comes up horizontal, when its at rest its at a diagonal angle. {{User:Csours/sig}} 09:07, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

== Is That A Cold One? ==

i always thought that the "dink" heard during strong bads say was a cold one bottle cap coming off. and i still think it is. should i put this up in stuff? -{{User:Homsar7/sig}}
:I think it's pretty hard to say what it is, as there's no visual to match it to. Anything at all is pretty much speculation. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

==Name Change==
This game is now called "Who said what?" I think it's because of the copyright issue thing. - {{User:The Joe/sig}} 21:42, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
:Noted and moved. Thanks for the update! --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:44, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
::Is it worth noting somewhere in the article the reason for the name change? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 00:21, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
:::Doubtful. That's not really part of the encyclopedic significance. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 00:24, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
::::I think it's an important part of the game's history. But we should wait how everything turns out before we add it.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:29, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::Yeah. When did it change? Boy, this is getting to be an interesting week. --[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 22:40, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

==Picture==
Now that the game has been changed, is it permissible to put a picture of the new game up? {{User:Geshmalderborgen/sig}} 22:04, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
:I should think so, yes. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:11, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

== Locked? ==

Somehow I ended up logged out, and when I noticed this page on RecentChanges, I noticed it was locked. The only explanation given is that it was "at the request of [[Karen Wagner]]"... I suppose, looking at the above comments, I might have a guess why it was locked (copyright issues?), but that said, how accurate is my guess? And does it still need to be locked? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:49, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
:Also, the image was removed per KW (according to the history) and now has been restored. a) are we allowed to do this and b) can someone please explain what's going on? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:07, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
::Well, it's a new image. Different image. But I should probably check first... *sweatdrop* I've commented it out for now, until I get an okay... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
Is it still appropriate for this page to be locked?{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 16:06, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:It probably doesn't need to be locked for too much longer, but we're trying to tread through this issue carefully, so hold on a little longer... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:19, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

== Request for article link change ==

The line ''The game is a parody of Mattel's "See 'n Say."'' should, I think, instead of linking to Mattel's wiki entry, should more appropriately link to the [[Wikipedia:See 'n Say|See 'n Say]] page. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 11:41, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
:Done. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
::Cool, thanks! Also, I don't mean to be knit picker, but I was hoping that the Mattel link would go away or look a bit better, since having the word be half link/half text doesn't look as pleasing as if it looked like: [[Wikipedia:Mattel|Mattel's]]. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:24, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
::That is odd. Isn't the appended bit normally swallowed into the link, or is that only for inside links? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 10:06, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
:::Mine swallows both internal and external links, except any with an "'s". Then it just goes '''Blue Words Here'''<nowiki>'s</nowiki>. Dunno why. *shrugs* --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:42, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
::::My guess is that extra characters are automatically apparended to the link when they are only letters. My guess is that the apostrophe breaks that "autolink". I personally don't like that feature and opt to link it myself. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 03:11, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
:::::But don't. The link is to the noun, not the possessive, and shouldn't be linked as though it were. Also, we should avoid piped links when possible. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:10, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
::::::True. The link is a noun and not the possessive, but it just looks soooo much prettier! Lol. And we rename things all the time! Oh is that what you mean by avoiding piped links when possible? But I like piped links! They're my frieeend! ... *awkward silence* Right. Anyway, I just think form over function might be a nice idea in this very... isolated... case. Yeah. Isolated. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 02:22, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

== Add some links ==

Would it be appropiate to add links to the original version? I couldn't add them myself because the edit buttons appear to be hidden.
:I don't think we should. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 00:23, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
::If anything, we should put it on [[Secret Pages]], but only after this page and the other pages involving the toy are unprotected, and the copyright issue is resolved {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}} 00:27, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
:::I think we should pretend "Sp*n 'N S*y" never existed and it has always been Who Said What?. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 00:29, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
::::I concur. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 00:31, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
Well, there are places where the forbidden name is used, such as the [[Third Games Menu]] and [[Why Come Only One Girl?]]. Also the old [[Handheld Games Menu]] mirrors. I say that we don't do anything more until we get the Chapmans' ok. - {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}} 00:42, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
:That is likely for the best. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:43, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
How can [[Secret Pages]] and [[Astro-Lite 2600]] include links to Lite Brite if it is a registered trademark of Hasbro? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 15:30, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

::That issue hasn't yet surfaced as a problem (and hopefully never will). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:59, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
Is it possible for us to pretend this game was always this state without creating the impression Kidelectrix predates Videlectrix? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 19:59, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, you're doing a damn good job of erasing The Game That Apparently Must Not Be Named from history, let me say. I came across this page and thought, "Ah, it's been changed", but then found no reference to [that game]. I know how obsessive you fanboys are at documenting every little thing about Homestar Runner, so I frantically searched for any reference at all to [that game] on the wiki, but found none, and thought to myself, "Have I gone mad? Did I just imagine [that game]? Why on earth isn't there a reference to it?" Nothing made sense until I found this talk page, from which the situation can be inferred.

Pandering to the dictates of the Chaps aside, I don't see why there shouldn't be a reference to it on this site. It isn't affiliated to homestarrunner.com, so there can't be any ramifications, can there? Well, there's my bit. Thanks for causing so much confusion. --[[User:84.67.250.92|84.67.250.92]] 22:16, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
:Hey, no problem. Unfortunately, it's not going to change anytime soon, at least not until the dust finally settles. You may think we're pandering fanboys—and that's fine, you can think that if you want—but really we're being respectful of them and their request. Also, I think it shows poor discretion if one's bottom line in making decisions is "Meh, what's the worst that can happen?". In cases like that, it's almost always better not to find out. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:58, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
::Wait, why is this an issue? Is it because of the copyright on the original errm... thing by mattel? I got lost. Suddenly everyone's acting like we need to clean up after a murder. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 23:07, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
:::The nature of the issue is such that we won't be discussing it at present; however, in due time we will explain the full reasoning behind everything. I know it's frustrating, but we are asking for your patience for a while longer. Thanks for your cooperation. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:49, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
::::I understand. When a legal issue comes up like this, the best thing to do is exactly what you and all the other sysops and admins are doing. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 03:44, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

== About a Fun Fact ==

I don't like the word "parody". Please change the text "This game is a '''parody''' of Mattel's See 'n' Say" to something else. Thank you. Remember: YOU made me hate this word. {{unsigned|76.184.188.124|17:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)}}
:Look for a second at the [[ahd:61/94/P0079400.html|definition]] of the word, the relevant part of which I will highlight here: "An artistic work that imitates the characteristic style of another work for comic effect." That is ''exactly'' what this game is. But never mind that. TBC, via their representative, ''specifically'' asked us to use that word. It stays. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:00, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

== They're s'posed to what? ==

Where can I find out more about the copyright issue? Did Mattel try to sue them or something? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 23:40, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
:We don't know. All we know is [[Talk:Who Said What Now?#Add some links|this was always "Who Said What"]], and the rest doesn't need to be elaborated on. --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 23:59, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
::I don't know if we can pull that off since the original name is still used in [[Secret Pages]] and [[Old Flash Stuff]]. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:03, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

==Homsar==
Hey, Homsar has a line but it's not translated to text!

'''HOMSAR:'''AaAaAh, My cheese is 50 cent!

-Ben from the fanstuff wiki

:<s>You can just put it on the page you know :)</s> This must be an addition to the original because I've noticed that all of the timings for the subtitles are out of sync now.{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 23:45, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
::Nevermind, I didn't realize the page was locked from editing.{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 23:54, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
::An administrator will need to add this.{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 02:07, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

== Stuff To Add ==

*The [[Handheld Games Menu]] still calls this game Who Said What?
*Include a link in Marzipan's quote to [[The Only Girl]]. Thank you for your time. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 05:40, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

:The first one would fit better on [[Handheld Games Menu]] than on this page, I think. As for the second one, we usually don't link characters' speech in transcripts. I tried figuring out a different way to work it in, but nothing came to me. Any suggestions? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 05:53, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
::I'd say add is as a fun fact:
::*Marzipan's line refers to the fact that she is considered [[The Only Girl|the only female lead]].
::Feel free to reword to make it sound better. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 13:17, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I think that sounds prooty grood — I {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Who_Said_What_Now%3F&diff=451063&oldid=449987 added it}}. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:55, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Another thing to mention is that Homestar doesn't have a mouth on his picture. I'm still cheesed off that this page is protected in the first place (I'm not going to ask why). Can we just ban it from annonies? Or is it that bad? --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 00:55, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Please see [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk%3AWho_Said_What_Now%3F&diff=461958&oldid=461925]. Sorry about this, and thanks for understanding.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:58, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

== New Fun Fact ==

I noticed that the characters on the buttons resemble the character designs from the back page of the FAQ. Just puttin' this up here, in case you want to STUFF it. [[User:76.184.199.4|76.184.199.4]] 02:07, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
:What part of the FAQ? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 02:12, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

::Oh, you mean the static characters on the last page — they're very close, but I can find subtle differences in all of them except Pom Pom... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:59, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

== For kids? ==

Anyone else notice that Homsar's picture in this resembles the one used in [[For Kids]] in [[Whaddaya Know, Haddi-Man?]]'s theme song? -[[User:Free Bagels|Free Bagels]] 01:20, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

== Fact/Goof ==

Is it a fact or a goof that the narrator refers to every character with a "the" infront of their name except for The Cheat?
It should be "the The Cheat says..." -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 19:35, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Talk:One Two, One Two

JamesDean — Tue, 29 May 2007 05:06:53 GMT

JamesDean: /* Strong Sad's segment */

== Bubs' "Anything Goes!" Sausage ==

From what I can tell, [[Bubs]] grinds the following into sausage:
* Raw t-bone steak
* Yellow tennis ball (or possibly a lemon)
* Box of [[General Tso's Chicken]]
{{User:Jessica Ingmann/sig}} 21:00, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, that looks right. It's definitely a tennis ball, though. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
::I can confirm that it is a tennis ball. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 21:08, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Concur. It's the [[part-time job|Super Question Machine]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:10, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

== New "Game"! ==

Is there some sort of "minor games" page I could put the last part on?[[User:The Magic Pixel|Pixelated Magic]] 21:40, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

:It would be listed under [[Games#Toon Games]], but I really don't think this qualifies as a game. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:08, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

::Why not? [[Homestar Runner and Marzipan Extra Real Dating Sim XR]] does. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:12, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

:::That game is in a separate Flash file.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 21:24, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Ok, let's try... [[Homestar's "Sid" Game]]. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:32, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::But that's a game. This is more of an activity. --[[User:Gooblies|Gooblies]] 21:36, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::Or a goings-on. [[User:194.80.32.10|194.80.32.10]] 22:30, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::Well, this has to go somewhere. [[User:The Magic Pixel|Pixelated Magic]] 21:40, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

::::It feels a bit too late to say this, but when the toon appeared on the site, the ending linked to a separate page for the MixMastah. It [http://www.homestarrunner.com/onetwomixer.html still exists]. So, it has its own Flash file. [[User:70.244.56.152|70.244.56.152]] 21:50, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::Sweet! Never too late to say something like that :-){{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::I would say [[Audition with Marzipan]] is in the same vein, and that's considered a game, though I guess there's an interactive element since there's some kind of feedback. I guess it's an activity as much as the [[Limozeen Coloring Book]] is... maybe a new category is in order? [[User:Nynexman4464|Nynexman4464]] 00:35, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::::If this is a game, wouldn't [[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]] ''also'' be a game? It's interactive in the same way. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 00:38, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::::Hmmm... maybe it is... but then so would be [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]]... and [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]] has buttons, so that's a game, and then sbemails have easter eggs, those are like a game 8-|. So yeah, maybe calling it a game would be a bad idea ;-). [[User:Nynexman4464|Nynexman4464]] 01:26, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::::::If you ask me, no, this is a short and not a game, but if we have a separate page for ''just'' the lone MixMastah 800 link, I'd say that could count as a game. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 02:24, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

== "One Two" MP3 ==
The file does not exist as of now, and takes you to the classic "404ed!" page. --[[User:MadShrubbery|MadShrubbery]] 21:53, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

== Makin' it Rain ==

Just thinkin' that Pom Pom's animation reminds me of the practice of "Makin' it rain" as frequently seen in rap music videos. This is especially topical, as Adam "Pacman" Jones, cornerback for the Tennessee Titans, was seen doing this very act in a strip club, and it lead to a shooting that left a bouncer paralyzed, and Jones suspended for a year from the NFL. -Telamon

:I'm no wikipenian, but I came in here to say what he said /\. Definitly a real world reference.

:I third this as a real world reference
::I think it most likely ''is'' a reference to "Makin' It Rain", but not to that specific incident. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 02:22, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

== MixMasta 800, Now in Monorual! ==

Is it just me, or is the MixMasta 800, despite havin' Left an' Right pan sliders, only play in monorual? {{User:Jessica Ingmann/sig}} 22:34, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
: The stereo sound works for me. What kind of speakers are you using? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:36, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
:: Crappy, generic ones that I love to death? Stereo ones, though! Lemme check again... I know it wasn't workin' earlier. Like, back when th' "Again?" button was there. *checks* ...ah. Crappy, '''broken''' ones I love to death that aren't giving me stereo sound anymore. ...crap... {{User:Jessica Ingmann/sig}} 22:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
::: Addendum! I got my speakers fixed! It was just a loose connection, turns out. Sorry about that, folks! And the page is indeed in stereo. {{User:Jessica Ingmann/sig}} 23:00, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

== Canibus reference? ==

Rapper Canibus recently launched the Poet Laureate Infinity (www.poetlaureateinfinity.com) site, allowing people to mix the vocals and beats from one of his new songs. Very similar to this toon. Coincidence, or not?
:Coincidence. A lot of people do that. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 23:52, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

== Big Fun ==
Did anyone else think that the MixMasta800 was a lot more fun than it a simple SFX mini-game should have been? Also(on a completely unrelated subject) this hasn't been added to the "TV Time Toons Menu" yet (I would link, but why bother? All of us know it). Does it(this short) link from the main page? [[User:Stinkoblade|Stinkoblade]] 01:03, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
:It is linked from the What's New? oval button, yes. It just hasn't been added to the toons menu. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 01:06, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Good to know. Now to ponder if it is a goof worthy of addition to da page...or just the fact they are probably working on a long toon and didn't remember to add it. Maybe the new sbemail even. Anyway, I'm still wondering about the funitude of the MixMasta. [[User:Stinkoblade|Stinkoblade]] 01:12, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

== BPM ==

I dunno if this is worthy of inclusion in the article or not, but just by recording the samples and looking for the loop points, it looks like most of the samples are in the area of 9.164 seconds long. Taking each of Homestar's one twos as a beat, that's 16 beats per sample. So 104.757 BPM, for all of waiting to do a techno remix. [[User:Nynexman4464|Nynexman4464]] 01:31, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Wow, thats actually kinda...slow. It seems faster when you mix them, but...wow. [[User:Stinkoblade|Stinkoblade]] 01:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

==HomSo-NOT-lo==

It's way too big of a stretch to assume HOMSOLO is a reference to Han Solo and not simply an abbrieviation of "Homsar Solo". --[[User:TaranchulaVAmp15|Taranch Vamp]] 22:11, 29 May 2007 (CST)

I think it is a to much of a stretch but its good that someone here has loyalty to sw not just sb - The coolest cat around
*I'ma be BRAVE and take it out. This is a stretch of epic proportions. --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 04:30, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
**I was only brave for a moment. Once I took it out, I reconsidered. It's certainly possible! --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 04:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

== Peter Gunn ==

The first few notes of Marzipan's guitar riff remind me of the Peter Gunn theme. Anyone else hearing this? - [[User:Uglinessman|Ugliness Man]] 03:05, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes it is very similar, but i'm not sure its noteworthy -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 05:04, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Sad's segment ==

Every fourth loop on the MixMastah 800, the sound Strong Sad makes when he hits his stomach is different from the previous three loops. Is anyone else hearing this? [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 03:08, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it is slightly different, it sounds as if the basketball is being bounced a little further away -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 05:06, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

== Freakin' Browser Issues ==

uch, i can't get the poopsmith, pom pom, homsar or strong bad effect to play when i play the short in firefox, and when i play it in internet explorer some of the effects don't sync up. is anyone else getting this? --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 03:37, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
:on second thought, never mind IE, it's ok --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 03:44, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... Is Flash updated? If Flash refusing to load on Firefox? Close all tabs, restart the browser, and try again. No really - it might happen to me. But it hasn't. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 03:53, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

The thing is - you have to click Strong Bad's singing a bit early for it to <del>work</del> sync up. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 03:54, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

:Exactly... think of it this way, in the phrase "I'm a woman on the prowl...", the word "woman" falls on the first beat of the bar, so you have to time it so that the "I'm a" part falls on one of Homestar's "two"s. So it's like "one, two, one, I'm a..." - [[User:Uglinessman|Ugliness Man]] 04:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Talk:One Two, One Two

JamesDean — Tue, 29 May 2007 05:05:19 GMT

JamesDean: /* Peter Gunn */

== Bubs' "Anything Goes!" Sausage ==

From what I can tell, [[Bubs]] grinds the following into sausage:
* Raw t-bone steak
* Yellow tennis ball (or possibly a lemon)
* Box of [[General Tso's Chicken]]
{{User:Jessica Ingmann/sig}} 21:00, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, that looks right. It's definitely a tennis ball, though. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
::I can confirm that it is a tennis ball. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 21:08, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Concur. It's the [[part-time job|Super Question Machine]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:10, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

== New "Game"! ==

Is there some sort of "minor games" page I could put the last part on?[[User:The Magic Pixel|Pixelated Magic]] 21:40, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

:It would be listed under [[Games#Toon Games]], but I really don't think this qualifies as a game. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:08, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

::Why not? [[Homestar Runner and Marzipan Extra Real Dating Sim XR]] does. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:12, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

:::That game is in a separate Flash file.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 21:24, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Ok, let's try... [[Homestar's "Sid" Game]]. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:32, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::But that's a game. This is more of an activity. --[[User:Gooblies|Gooblies]] 21:36, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::Or a goings-on. [[User:194.80.32.10|194.80.32.10]] 22:30, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::Well, this has to go somewhere. [[User:The Magic Pixel|Pixelated Magic]] 21:40, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

::::It feels a bit too late to say this, but when the toon appeared on the site, the ending linked to a separate page for the MixMastah. It [http://www.homestarrunner.com/onetwomixer.html still exists]. So, it has its own Flash file. [[User:70.244.56.152|70.244.56.152]] 21:50, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::Sweet! Never too late to say something like that :-){{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::I would say [[Audition with Marzipan]] is in the same vein, and that's considered a game, though I guess there's an interactive element since there's some kind of feedback. I guess it's an activity as much as the [[Limozeen Coloring Book]] is... maybe a new category is in order? [[User:Nynexman4464|Nynexman4464]] 00:35, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::::If this is a game, wouldn't [[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]] ''also'' be a game? It's interactive in the same way. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 00:38, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::::Hmmm... maybe it is... but then so would be [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]]... and [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]] has buttons, so that's a game, and then sbemails have easter eggs, those are like a game 8-|. So yeah, maybe calling it a game would be a bad idea ;-). [[User:Nynexman4464|Nynexman4464]] 01:26, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::::::If you ask me, no, this is a short and not a game, but if we have a separate page for ''just'' the lone MixMastah 800 link, I'd say that could count as a game. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 02:24, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

== "One Two" MP3 ==
The file does not exist as of now, and takes you to the classic "404ed!" page. --[[User:MadShrubbery|MadShrubbery]] 21:53, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

== Makin' it Rain ==

Just thinkin' that Pom Pom's animation reminds me of the practice of "Makin' it rain" as frequently seen in rap music videos. This is especially topical, as Adam "Pacman" Jones, cornerback for the Tennessee Titans, was seen doing this very act in a strip club, and it lead to a shooting that left a bouncer paralyzed, and Jones suspended for a year from the NFL. -Telamon

:I'm no wikipenian, but I came in here to say what he said /\. Definitly a real world reference.

:I third this as a real world reference
::I think it most likely ''is'' a reference to "Makin' It Rain", but not to that specific incident. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 02:22, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

== MixMasta 800, Now in Monorual! ==

Is it just me, or is the MixMasta 800, despite havin' Left an' Right pan sliders, only play in monorual? {{User:Jessica Ingmann/sig}} 22:34, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
: The stereo sound works for me. What kind of speakers are you using? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:36, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
:: Crappy, generic ones that I love to death? Stereo ones, though! Lemme check again... I know it wasn't workin' earlier. Like, back when th' "Again?" button was there. *checks* ...ah. Crappy, '''broken''' ones I love to death that aren't giving me stereo sound anymore. ...crap... {{User:Jessica Ingmann/sig}} 22:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
::: Addendum! I got my speakers fixed! It was just a loose connection, turns out. Sorry about that, folks! And the page is indeed in stereo. {{User:Jessica Ingmann/sig}} 23:00, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

== Canibus reference? ==

Rapper Canibus recently launched the Poet Laureate Infinity (www.poetlaureateinfinity.com) site, allowing people to mix the vocals and beats from one of his new songs. Very similar to this toon. Coincidence, or not?
:Coincidence. A lot of people do that. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 23:52, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

== Big Fun ==
Did anyone else think that the MixMasta800 was a lot more fun than it a simple SFX mini-game should have been? Also(on a completely unrelated subject) this hasn't been added to the "TV Time Toons Menu" yet (I would link, but why bother? All of us know it). Does it(this short) link from the main page? [[User:Stinkoblade|Stinkoblade]] 01:03, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
:It is linked from the What's New? oval button, yes. It just hasn't been added to the toons menu. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 01:06, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Good to know. Now to ponder if it is a goof worthy of addition to da page...or just the fact they are probably working on a long toon and didn't remember to add it. Maybe the new sbemail even. Anyway, I'm still wondering about the funitude of the MixMasta. [[User:Stinkoblade|Stinkoblade]] 01:12, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

== BPM ==

I dunno if this is worthy of inclusion in the article or not, but just by recording the samples and looking for the loop points, it looks like most of the samples are in the area of 9.164 seconds long. Taking each of Homestar's one twos as a beat, that's 16 beats per sample. So 104.757 BPM, for all of waiting to do a techno remix. [[User:Nynexman4464|Nynexman4464]] 01:31, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Wow, thats actually kinda...slow. It seems faster when you mix them, but...wow. [[User:Stinkoblade|Stinkoblade]] 01:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

==HomSo-NOT-lo==

It's way too big of a stretch to assume HOMSOLO is a reference to Han Solo and not simply an abbrieviation of "Homsar Solo". --[[User:TaranchulaVAmp15|Taranch Vamp]] 22:11, 29 May 2007 (CST)

I think it is a to much of a stretch but its good that someone here has loyalty to sw not just sb - The coolest cat around
*I'ma be BRAVE and take it out. This is a stretch of epic proportions. --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 04:30, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
**I was only brave for a moment. Once I took it out, I reconsidered. It's certainly possible! --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 04:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

== Peter Gunn ==

The first few notes of Marzipan's guitar riff remind me of the Peter Gunn theme. Anyone else hearing this? - [[User:Uglinessman|Ugliness Man]] 03:05, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes it is very similar, but i'm not sure its noteworthy -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 05:04, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Sad's segment ==

Every fourth loop on the MixMastah 800, the sound Strong Sad makes when he hits his stomach is different from the previous three loops. Is anyone else hearing this? [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 03:08, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

== Freakin' Browser Issues ==

uch, i can't get the poopsmith, pom pom, homsar or strong bad effect to play when i play the short in firefox, and when i play it in internet explorer some of the effects don't sync up. is anyone else getting this? --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 03:37, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
:on second thought, never mind IE, it's ok --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 03:44, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... Is Flash updated? If Flash refusing to load on Firefox? Close all tabs, restart the browser, and try again. No really - it might happen to me. But it hasn't. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 03:53, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

The thing is - you have to click Strong Bad's singing a bit early for it to <del>work</del> sync up. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 03:54, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

:Exactly... think of it this way, in the phrase "I'm a woman on the prowl...", the word "woman" falls on the first beat of the bar, so you have to time it so that the "I'm a" part falls on one of Homestar's "two"s. So it's like "one, two, one, I'm a..." - [[User:Uglinessman|Ugliness Man]] 04:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Talk:One Two, One Two

JamesDean — Tue, 29 May 2007 05:04:54 GMT

JamesDean: /* Peter Gunn */

== Bubs' "Anything Goes!" Sausage ==

From what I can tell, [[Bubs]] grinds the following into sausage:
* Raw t-bone steak
* Yellow tennis ball (or possibly a lemon)
* Box of [[General Tso's Chicken]]
{{User:Jessica Ingmann/sig}} 21:00, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, that looks right. It's definitely a tennis ball, though. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
::I can confirm that it is a tennis ball. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 21:08, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Concur. It's the [[part-time job|Super Question Machine]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:10, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

== New "Game"! ==

Is there some sort of "minor games" page I could put the last part on?[[User:The Magic Pixel|Pixelated Magic]] 21:40, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

:It would be listed under [[Games#Toon Games]], but I really don't think this qualifies as a game. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:08, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

::Why not? [[Homestar Runner and Marzipan Extra Real Dating Sim XR]] does. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:12, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

:::That game is in a separate Flash file.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 21:24, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Ok, let's try... [[Homestar's "Sid" Game]]. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:32, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::But that's a game. This is more of an activity. --[[User:Gooblies|Gooblies]] 21:36, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::Or a goings-on. [[User:194.80.32.10|194.80.32.10]] 22:30, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::Well, this has to go somewhere. [[User:The Magic Pixel|Pixelated Magic]] 21:40, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

::::It feels a bit too late to say this, but when the toon appeared on the site, the ending linked to a separate page for the MixMastah. It [http://www.homestarrunner.com/onetwomixer.html still exists]. So, it has its own Flash file. [[User:70.244.56.152|70.244.56.152]] 21:50, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::Sweet! Never too late to say something like that :-){{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::I would say [[Audition with Marzipan]] is in the same vein, and that's considered a game, though I guess there's an interactive element since there's some kind of feedback. I guess it's an activity as much as the [[Limozeen Coloring Book]] is... maybe a new category is in order? [[User:Nynexman4464|Nynexman4464]] 00:35, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::::If this is a game, wouldn't [[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]] ''also'' be a game? It's interactive in the same way. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 00:38, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::::Hmmm... maybe it is... but then so would be [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]]... and [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]] has buttons, so that's a game, and then sbemails have easter eggs, those are like a game 8-|. So yeah, maybe calling it a game would be a bad idea ;-). [[User:Nynexman4464|Nynexman4464]] 01:26, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::::::If you ask me, no, this is a short and not a game, but if we have a separate page for ''just'' the lone MixMastah 800 link, I'd say that could count as a game. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 02:24, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

== "One Two" MP3 ==
The file does not exist as of now, and takes you to the classic "404ed!" page. --[[User:MadShrubbery|MadShrubbery]] 21:53, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

== Makin' it Rain ==

Just thinkin' that Pom Pom's animation reminds me of the practice of "Makin' it rain" as frequently seen in rap music videos. This is especially topical, as Adam "Pacman" Jones, cornerback for the Tennessee Titans, was seen doing this very act in a strip club, and it lead to a shooting that left a bouncer paralyzed, and Jones suspended for a year from the NFL. -Telamon

:I'm no wikipenian, but I came in here to say what he said /\. Definitly a real world reference.

:I third this as a real world reference
::I think it most likely ''is'' a reference to "Makin' It Rain", but not to that specific incident. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 02:22, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

== MixMasta 800, Now in Monorual! ==

Is it just me, or is the MixMasta 800, despite havin' Left an' Right pan sliders, only play in monorual? {{User:Jessica Ingmann/sig}} 22:34, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
: The stereo sound works for me. What kind of speakers are you using? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:36, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
:: Crappy, generic ones that I love to death? Stereo ones, though! Lemme check again... I know it wasn't workin' earlier. Like, back when th' "Again?" button was there. *checks* ...ah. Crappy, '''broken''' ones I love to death that aren't giving me stereo sound anymore. ...crap... {{User:Jessica Ingmann/sig}} 22:55, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
::: Addendum! I got my speakers fixed! It was just a loose connection, turns out. Sorry about that, folks! And the page is indeed in stereo. {{User:Jessica Ingmann/sig}} 23:00, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

== Canibus reference? ==

Rapper Canibus recently launched the Poet Laureate Infinity (www.poetlaureateinfinity.com) site, allowing people to mix the vocals and beats from one of his new songs. Very similar to this toon. Coincidence, or not?
:Coincidence. A lot of people do that. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 23:52, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

== Big Fun ==
Did anyone else think that the MixMasta800 was a lot more fun than it a simple SFX mini-game should have been? Also(on a completely unrelated subject) this hasn't been added to the "TV Time Toons Menu" yet (I would link, but why bother? All of us know it). Does it(this short) link from the main page? [[User:Stinkoblade|Stinkoblade]] 01:03, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
:It is linked from the What's New? oval button, yes. It just hasn't been added to the toons menu. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 01:06, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Good to know. Now to ponder if it is a goof worthy of addition to da page...or just the fact they are probably working on a long toon and didn't remember to add it. Maybe the new sbemail even. Anyway, I'm still wondering about the funitude of the MixMasta. [[User:Stinkoblade|Stinkoblade]] 01:12, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

== BPM ==

I dunno if this is worthy of inclusion in the article or not, but just by recording the samples and looking for the loop points, it looks like most of the samples are in the area of 9.164 seconds long. Taking each of Homestar's one twos as a beat, that's 16 beats per sample. So 104.757 BPM, for all of waiting to do a techno remix. [[User:Nynexman4464|Nynexman4464]] 01:31, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Wow, thats actually kinda...slow. It seems faster when you mix them, but...wow. [[User:Stinkoblade|Stinkoblade]] 01:34, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

==HomSo-NOT-lo==

It's way too big of a stretch to assume HOMSOLO is a reference to Han Solo and not simply an abbrieviation of "Homsar Solo". --[[User:TaranchulaVAmp15|Taranch Vamp]] 22:11, 29 May 2007 (CST)

I think it is a to much of a stretch but its good that someone here has loyalty to sw not just sb - The coolest cat around
*I'ma be BRAVE and take it out. This is a stretch of epic proportions. --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 04:30, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
**I was only brave for a moment. Once I took it out, I reconsidered. It's certainly possible! --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 04:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

== Peter Gunn ==

The first few notes of Marzipan's guitar riff remind me of the Peter Gunn theme. Anyone else hearing this? - [[User:Uglinessman|Ugliness Man]] 03:05, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
Yes, but i'm not sure its noteworthy -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 05:04, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Sad's segment ==

Every fourth loop on the MixMastah 800, the sound Strong Sad makes when he hits his stomach is different from the previous three loops. Is anyone else hearing this? [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 03:08, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

== Freakin' Browser Issues ==

uch, i can't get the poopsmith, pom pom, homsar or strong bad effect to play when i play the short in firefox, and when i play it in internet explorer some of the effects don't sync up. is anyone else getting this? --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 03:37, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
:on second thought, never mind IE, it's ok --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 03:44, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... Is Flash updated? If Flash refusing to load on Firefox? Close all tabs, restart the browser, and try again. No really - it might happen to me. But it hasn't. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 03:53, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

The thing is - you have to click Strong Bad's singing a bit early for it to <del>work</del> sync up. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 03:54, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

:Exactly... think of it this way, in the phrase "I'm a woman on the prowl...", the word "woman" falls on the first beat of the bar, so you have to time it so that the "I'm a" part falls on one of Homestar's "two"s. So it's like "one, two, one, I'm a..." - [[User:Uglinessman|Ugliness Man]] 04:18, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Talk:more armies

JamesDean — Wed, 23 May 2007 05:17:41 GMT

JamesDean: /* What? No goofs? */

==Continuation of "army"?==
Could this email be considered a continuation of the email [[army]] due to how the subject nature is so similar to the said email and how this email is called "more armies"? -- [[User:Bad Graphics Ghost|The BGG]]

== Benedetto!==
Just making sure. Frank Bennedetto was not in this email, but rather a memorial to him. Right? -
[[User:Drsandsattwo|Drsandsattwo]] 20:18, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Uhm... no. Frank was revealed to be alive in Labor Dabor (and sign your name please.) -[[User:Everybody!|Everybody!]] 21:49, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. What I realize Bennedetto is as alive as a psuedocharacter can be, but that is a memorial rather than the real thing. correct? -
[[user:Drsandsattwo|Drsandsattwo]] 23:38, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd say that the memorial of Bennedetto counts as a character appearance as much as stuffed Strong Bad suplexing a cougar does. {{User:Jeadly/sig}} 16:39, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

== I have made my decission ==

I can do the transcript luckaly say my parents. I can do the transcript. Can I do the transcript again? {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

:[[User:Has Matt?|Has Matt?]] is {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=more_armies&curid=34763&diff=460758&oldid=460756&rcid=415474 working on it now}}. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:54, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

==Not-yet opened STUFF==

The third kid facing certain doom in the Homestarmy refers to military school.

- {{User:Gtxm78/sig}} 21:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I think that, if anything, certain doom refers to the fact that Homestar is a ridiculously inept "commander" and will lead the Homestarmy to certain doom. - [[User:Chupaqueso|Chupaqueso]] 22:01, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

He's more of a "Col-o-nel". -WeatherPerson

==Jumped in?==
What's that mean? Strong Bad said you can send your kid off to join the On Point Kings, but he'll have to be jumped in. Funny, usually by the time I come here, the e-mail page is already done. It's odd to see it so new :). [[User:Kvn8907|Kvn8907]] 22:11, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

: It's the standard gang initiation... urban legends about flashing headlights and assaulting random people in front of Wal-Mart notwithstanding, most gangs simply beat the $*#! out of prospective members to make sure they're tough enough. That's called being "jumped in". [[User:68.13.21.225|68.13.21.225]] 23:22, 21 May 2007 (UTC) (a no-account good for nothing so and so)

==Firebert to Trogdor==
It's possible that The Cheat didn't change Firebert to Trogdor just because his name was awful. I think it's more to do with the popularity of Trogdor and the amount of fan contributions it has spawned.
:Same here. {{User:4kai2lyn6/sig}} 00:10, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::agreed --[[User:EricTheDerek|EricTheDerek]] 00:20, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:::I disagree. I think the firebert not being a good commando name was exactly what they had in mind. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:22, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::::but Trogdor isn't a commando name...is it? --[[User:EricTheDerek|EricTheDerek]] 00:25, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::::I agree as well... SB may have stated his opinion that Firebert isn't a good commando name in a previous email, but there's no reason to assume that's the reason he's unpopular; the gag would have worked just as well with any of the other commandos. The gag is a commentary on how much more popular Trogdor is than the commandos, not the "quality" of the name. - [[User:Uglinessman|Ugliness Man]] 02:10, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

==Redheaded stepchild?==
Is it possible that "step-headed red-child" is a reference to the phrase "redheaded stepchild," meaning an unfavored child? -[[User:HotBees|HotBees]] 00:01, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:If that's an actualy saying, then i'd say definately. Incidentally, i've never heard that before. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:03, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:: I have. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:21, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Me three. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:22, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Ditto, I've heard the phrase "gonna beat you like a red-headed step-child", and I've heard a few comedians reference the phrase. And even if it wasn't a common phrase, there'd pretty much be no other explanation for what the heck step-headed red-child is supposed to mean. - [[User:Uglinessman|Ugliness Man]] 02:15, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::::According to [http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=red-headed+stepchild Urban Dictionary], red-headed stepchild is a synonym for whipping boy. That's how I've always heard it used (eg, my department is the company's red-headed stepchild) and that makes sense in this context. (Be ye warned, oh external link-clickers, Urban Dictionary is NOT a family-friendly website!) [[User:Not Horse Woman|Not Horse Woman]] 00:44, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::: It's an old saying for suretain. --[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 01:19, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

== Links to toon titles ==

Is there some kind of arbitrary rule that you don't link the same page twice in a paragraph or something? "which strong bad said was not a good commando name in army" looks wonky without a link or some way to identify "army" as referring to an email and not simply a grammatical miscarriage. -anonymous
:Link once and only once. First instance only. It's not unwritten, it's written.. [[HRWiki:Once And Only Once|place]]... {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::I understand the reason for the rule, and I'm not asking for the rule to be relaxed or broken, but there should be some sort of punctuation or format convention (quotes, bold, italics, some combination of 2 or 3) for a case like this. Otherwise, as anonymous pointed out, it just looks like bad grammar. - [[User:Uglinessman|Ugliness Man]] 02:13, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:::"Once and Only Once" has little to do with this... the rule you're after is [[HRWiki:Standards#Link once|Link once]]. But I agree, things like email names should be linked every time... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::::You sure 'bout that, Phlip? Email names always linked? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::It's tough, because if we were doing it correctly, we would probably have all the toons' names italicized. Since we don't, if you use the name of an email/toon but don't link it, it looks strange, like this: "Strong Bad's first email was some kinda robot". Especially the emails, since they're uncapitalized. So, I'm not sure that linking them all the time is the best solution, but we've got to do something to make them stand out, and italicizing them sometimes but not others would be too inconsistent... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 09:12, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::I'd say link all unless doing something major to all of 'em such as italics or quotes. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 17:31, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I've always thought toon titles should be linked every time. In a way, it ''is'' their punctuation. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:03, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

== Boond? ==

What does the "Boond You Like?" poster behind Homestar mean? {{User:Einstein runner/sig}} 02:54, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:From what I understand, it's a portmanteau of "bowl" and "spoon." That still doesn't make sense, though. -[[User:HotBees|HotBees]] 03:00, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::Maybe something to do with [[Wikipedia:War bond|war bonds]]? {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:14, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

== Mercenaries ==

The line "Mercenaries are typically known to have bad reputations" was used to explain the point of Strong Bad saying "We do bad stuff". How is this not NPOV? -[[User:Itama|Itama]] 03:29, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:I took that sentence out, and with NPOV, I meant the part about the missionaries. Without the missionaries bit, I didn't see much relevance in the mercenaries part of the sentence.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 10:13, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

==Poster==

should it be mentioned that the "do you has" poster, though slightly changed, has been used in a down loadable wallpaper?

== He-Man ==
So, someone thought that the Poopsmith's change into the Municipality Soldier was not related to He-Man... I thought the lightning striking the shovel was just like the special magic that changes Prince Adam into Heman... "By the Castle of Grayskull.... I HAVE THE POWER!" I would like to add it back in, but please let me know what you thing.... I think you need to be a He-Man fan to appreciate it... any takers for a debate? [[User:MisteR t|mister t]] 05:06, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:I see the resemblence, but I think it's a reference to the Marines commercials (especially given the context of the toon). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 05:09, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::No, I totally thought of He-Man too. The Chaps are notorious for '80s refs. ...I think. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:14, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:::But really. Is this the place for a He-Man reference? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:06, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::::I'm gonna have to agree with Trey on this one. This is a clear Marine commercial reference. It also makes a lot more sense to be referencing an actual military recruitment commercial (rather than He-Man) at a Vaguely Military Career Fair. [[User:Manolios|Manolios]] 14:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::It does seem like a He-Man reference, now that you mention it. Besides, The Poopsmith doesn't almost lose his grip, like in the Marines commercial it seems to be referencing. [[User:Neox|Neox]]
::::::And He-Man... does? The Marines commerical reference is patently true (it says "pooper fi" on his shield). The only reason the scene resembles He-Man at all is because the Marines commercial that it parodies kinda does. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:40, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Why is everyone acting as though the Municipality video can only be a reference to one thing and one thing only? Is it not a possibility that it references BOTH the Marines recruitment ads AND He-Man?[[User:71.217.233.97|71.217.233.97]] 20:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::::Because when something is clearly a reference to thing A, and kind of sorta resembles or is a stretch to thing B, then it's probably just a reference to think A alone. (It could be considered a variation of [[TTATOT]] that I will call TAOT ("this and only this").) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:40, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::As the coiner of TTATOT, I hereby give my support to TAOT. I bequeath thee! --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

== His left hand? ==

:The Cheat uses the marker with his [[left handedness|left hand]].

I don't want to change this yet just in case it's just my dyslexia, but I'm pretty sure the Cheat is using that marker with his right hand. [[User:Wrath|Wrath]] 13:52, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm, true, i corrected the wording, didn't think to look at the fact itself. Okay. DELETED! {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 14:06, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

== Brown Ops ==

I am not 100% on this, but aren't brown ops Navy operations in coastal and riverine areas?

== What? No goofs? ==

Shouldn't there be a goofs section? I noticed that when Strong Bad gets up, you see his reflection emerge from behind the Lappy and his head is behind the fairly tattered Paper.
:I haven't seen that one yet myself. But it's a wiki; feel free to add it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:04, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

:Who says he's looking at the paper? If your printer suddenly started shooting out ripped, mangled paper, would you look at the paper, or the printer? I say he's looking at the printer! --[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 05:17, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

== Mile reference? ==

Does anyone else think the sound The Cheat makes in the beginning of the Easter Egg is similar to that 1 from when he looked around in [[mile]]? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 15:40, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:Perhaps, but why is that notable? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:47, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

== Ganglo-Saxon ==

Isn't "Ganglo-Saxon" a [[portmanteau]] of "gangly" (probably referring to the build of high-school-age students likely to be attending career fairs) and "Anglo-Saxon"? (Edit: I see now that Has Matt? has added it to the Portmanteaus page already, just not here.) -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 15:55, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

== Music ==

The music is the scene after the 2 Weeks... sound familiar. I think its from something. I'll see if I can find it to have proof.--{{User:X66x66/sig}} 19:12, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:[[Strongest Man In The World]], I believe. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:48, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

== Undertaker? ==

Is it just me or does the Shady Missionary look eerily like the Undertaker from old school WWF? The facial expression is exact. --((User:Shadix))

== 5 Bucks ==
I can't be the only one who noticed this. Homestar saying that the "viewer" looks like he comes from "a long line of five bucks-havers" is a direct reference to the email army. However, I'm guessing maybe there are so damn many references to that email in this one that listing them all would be silly?[[User:71.217.233.97|71.217.233.97]] 20:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

== Joe Piscopo ==

Did I miss something? WTF does Joe Piscopo have to do with anything? --- [[User:Wfaulk|Wfaulk]] 22:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

:He's listed as a client on the brochure for the On Point Kings. -[[User:Itama|Itama]] 04:02, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

== Long Sbemail ==

Apparently, the sbemail was put up for 3 weeks. Should I mention that anywhere? [[User:The Magic Pixel|The Magic Pixel]] 23:23, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I guess someone else added it. NEVERMIND'D! [[User:The Magic Pixel|The Magic Pixel]] 01:37, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

:Note that [[time capsule]] spanned an even longer period of time, so there's nothing notable about the three weeks except that SB actually completed answering this. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:01, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

== Montage ==

Does noone remember that at the end of Montage Strong Bad upgrades to an inkjet in sbemail73 and that could be why the paper is mesed up? {{unsigned|24.252.248.124|23:36, 22 May 2007 (UTC)}}
:See [[more armies#Inside References]]. It's already mentioned. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:38, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

==Roman Trifold==

What the crap's a Roman Trifold? [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 00:20, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
:Perhaps it's a play on the Roman trireme. A brochure of this style is refereed to as "trifold", that's for sure. The rest is a guess. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:04, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

==Helicopter==

Isn't that helicopter from TGS Issue 1? [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 00:25, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
:No, it looks totally different. Go and have a look.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:28, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

== Email sequel ==

I believe TBC broke their own rules. Didn't they say not to email Strong Bad asking him to remake an old email? This is basically a sequel to [[army]]. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 03:47, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
:Their admonition was not to ask them to "do Trogdor again" or anything like that. And frankly, this is as much a sequel to [[origins]] and [[disconnected]] as it is to [[army]]. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:50, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
::Yes, more of a sequel to several things. They just don't want the same question a second time. An offshoot or followup question seems to be okay, though. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 03:52, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Also, [[dangeresque 3]] was a sequel to [[stunt double]], so it's not unprecedented. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:53, 23 May 2007 (UTC)