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Jeadly — Wed, 10 Oct 2007 16:30:21 GMT

Jeadly: /* Explanations */

==Penny Arcade==

Doesn't anyone think that that Game Pox comic looks like Penny Arcade?[[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 20:27, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
:What, the first comic? With the brick? That's the first thing that came to MY mind, and I've never even read Penny Arcade. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:29, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
::Already in Real-World References. And yes, yes it does. It's a reference, no doubt. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 20:31, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
:While Strong Bad is pretty clearly modelled after Gabriel, I don't know who the Strong Sad character is supposed to be. But the speech balloons and fonts look similar, also. I think the reference should be put back. (I think it was removed earlier.) [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 20:32, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
::Strong Bad's point is that there are a million comics like this. We can't assume that he's making a reference to one specific comic. And as far as being modeled after Gabriel or whoever, I disagree. And besides.. again.. lots of comics are alike. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 20:46, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
:::STUFF'd. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 20:47, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
If not PA, its most likely CAD

[[User:69.125.174.75|69.125.174.75]]
Poster of that fun fact

:I don't think so. There's nothing that reminds me of CAD in "Game Pox". If anything, Strong Sad is reminiscent of PvP a ''little'' bit, but not enough for me to call it a reference. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 21:24, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

That is definitely a PA reference. If you say otherwise, well, you're wrong, and you're just going to have to deal with that. And that's my objective opinion on the matter. --{{User:Soapergem/sig}} 06:21, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, after seeing the cartoon and noticing the conspicuous absence of a Penny Arcade fun fact, I moseyed over to look for the conversation. Obviously it needs to keep conversing a little longer, but my two cents are in favor of it. Yes yes, there are Ctrl-Alt-Del and PvP and Dueling Analogs and VGcats and ever and more. But TBC didn't have to put a shirt on Strong Bad at all, much less a yellow one. Plus his black hair, scowly expression, and backwards-leaning posture—I think they were trying their best to give us an overt reference. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 13:15, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

:Not only that, but look at the way the eyes and necks are drawn. The art style is closer to PA than PvP or CAD.

::I dunno, I've been reading penny arcade almost as long as I've been going to homestar runner, and I just don't see it. I'll grant that the characters look somewhat like their real life counterparts, but I say that's a pretty oblique reference. There's nothing else really penny arcade about the comic, none of the writing screams penny arcade (except maybe the very early stuff). I still say it's too much of a stretch. [[User:Nynexman4464|Nynexman4464]] 15:09, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

:::I think you most likely feel this way ''because'' you're very familiar with PA and thus notice the differences, but to someone who's only passingly familiar with it, it's pretty obviously supposed to be PA. Plus, PA is the most famous of of the gamernerd nerdgeek webcomics, and they're well-known for being impossible to understand if you don't play video games (just see the article on them in Wired...)--[[User:75.68.233.187|75.68.233.187]] 15:16, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

:While Strongsad's character is debatable, Strongbad is definitely a reference to Penny Arcade. [[User:Stev0|Stev0]] 16:13, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

:Strong Bad is Gabe from Penny Arcade. It is possible that Strong Sad is supposed to be someone else entirely from a different comic. Below someone suggests the idea that he's from Ctrl-Alt-Del, about which i know nothing -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]] 16:29, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

: Personally, I thought it was the Red vs Blue comic when I first saw this email.
::Then you're mental. It could not look less like or be less related to RvB -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]] 02:11, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

:As I said earlier, Strongbad's character is a reference to Penny Arcade. However, the way it's worded now, it sounds like the bit is ONLY a reference to Penny Arcade; it's obviously slamming the thousands of webcomics out there that are Two Guys Talking About Videogames. [[User:Stev0|Stev0]] 05:06, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

== Captain N parody? ==

Part of this email clearly seems to be sending up Captain N the Game Master. A series which featured a human in the video game world, and the game worlds, story plots and characters often bore little or no resemblance to their game counterparts. For example the Secret Collect character is a whiney coward not unlike Simon Belmont's portrayal in Captain N. The in-jokes may even go further than I recognise.

:Reminded me more of the Pac-Man cartoon, personally. Captain N centered around a real-world human, as well as a whole *group* of random NES characters; not much of a similarity IMO. Also, Simon Belmont was a whiny coward in Captain N (something he very much is *not* in Castlevania games, but I digress), but he was also a hopeless narcissist, which Secret Collect isn't. Ramble. -{{User:YK/sig}} 07:07, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

:It seems more than just Captain N. There were also shows like the "Super Mario Bros. Super Show," The Legend of Zelda TV Series, and the Megaman TV Series... two of the three can be found nowadays in the form of something completely mixed up on Youtube. - {{User:Ren Foxx/sig}} 01:46, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

::Honestly, I'm not sure where so many people are getting these mixed references to every single video game-based cartoon ever out of the five-second Secret Collect cartoon clip. Unless there's something horribly wrong with my computer, and the SBEMail is skipping over a five-minute segment making fun of those cartoons, all I'm seeing is a teen, a dog, and a talking red cube. And a stereotypical '70s-'80s cartoon villain. As someone who once watched those old cartoons religiously, I just can't see any connection whatsoever to Zelda, Super Mario, Sonic, Megaman, or any other of the myriad of video game-based cartoons and anime; those were, despite being cheesy, at least based on games with actual characters and plotlines. And it's *especially* nothing like Captain N, which was basically a collective of random characters in random settings. I mean, jeez, the three main villains were from Metroid, Punch Out, and Kid Icarus! The Secret Collect cartoon is, if anything, a jab at Saturday Supercade, which made cartoons out of those simple one-screen arcade games with no actual characterization, such as Pac-Man (which, yes, I know, was its own cartoon), Frogger, Q*Bert, and Donkey Kong. (DK wasn't *always* the bowtie-wearing banana-loving hipster he is today, kiddies.) If the cartoon featured, say, Secret Collect, Duck Guardian, Kid Speedy, Thy Dungeonman, and the guy from Where's An Egg?, along with the human kid, then yes, it'd be an obvious Captain N parody. But it doesn't. So it ain't. -{{User:YK/sig}} 05:00, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

== Bob and George? ==

Been a while since I had posted here. Anyway, when SB was listed out "They're all about video games, gamernerds, webgeeks, dorknerds, gamewads, nerdgames, webwebs, and elves." The first thing that came to mind when he mentioned "video games" (and later said "just steal some graphics from your favorite video game") was the Web Comic [http://www.bobandgeorge.com/ Bob and George], further enforced with the Stinkoman comic bit where the majority of Stinkoman sprites were based off of Megaman... Heck, I too am guilty of the use of videogame graphics for my own web-comic... which I'm currently slacking on. Also, I'd like to point out the MS Paint comment SB mentioned. Many new comers to the sprite/pixel comic landfill often use MS Paint as their very first program, and use it very badly. As far as the Elves part goes, I'm unsure. - {{User:Ren Foxx/sig}} 04:59, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
*Unlike Penny Arcade, which has a form that is discernably lampooned, Bob and George and 8-Bit Theater et. al. don't really have any hallmarks that would make them stand out from other sprite comics. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 05:40, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
::Well, unless you count Bob and George being the '''first''' significant sprite comic. There's a reputation for really bad comic writers to base their works on Bob and George as well. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 15:28, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

== Explanations ==

I think GamerJox is a spoof of [[Wikipedia:Ctrl+Alt+Del |Ctrl+Alt+Del]]. Strong Sad strongly resembles Lucas. And those web comics with the sprites could be referenced to [[Wikipedia:8-Bit Theater |8-Bit Theater]].
*Strong Bad's pompadour, yelling pose and yellow shirt are pretty reminiscent of Gabriel. Contrariwise, I don't see anything in Strong Sad resembling Lucas other than he's fat. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 05:45, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
*No, I don't think so. Lucas wears a white shirt, and has hair more like Strong Bad's. [[User:Evil Egg|Evil Egg]] 12:31, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
**By the way, heading off at the pass further discussion of 8-Bit Theater: Yeah, that was the first thing I thought of when Strong Bad began talking about it, but as he went on to describe such crappy examples, I think he's really just referencing the dozens upon thousands of amateur attempts using the same method. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 13:17, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Should "Burn" and "Dodge" be added to the Photoshop explanations section or are they self explanatory? {{User:Jeadly/sig}} 16:30, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

==Spamusement==

Is the Spam-based comic a reference to [http://www.spamusement.com/ | Spamusement]? I don't know of any other webcomic that does this. I'm not saying there aren't, I'm just saying I don't know about them if there are. [[User:Stev0|Stev0]] 16:17, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
:Seconded -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]] 16:29, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
:STUFF'd. Vote there. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 21:17, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

::STUFF should be only be used when there's no consensus on the talk page. Here's the fact that was removed (edited a bit):
<blockquote>
The Cheat's web comic, based on spam mailers' names, is a reference to ''[[Wikipedia:Spamusement!|Spamusement!]]'', a real-life comic made from spam email subject lines.
</blockquote>
::This seems to be a legitimate reference to me; the gimmicks behind the comics are almost identical, and I doubt that there are any other real-life web comics that are similar. Anybody agree or disagree? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:21, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
:::I think it's probably a reference, unless someone can demonstrate that it's [[TTATOT]]. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 21:35, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

:The following comments/arguments were moved here from the STUFF page — hopefully, we can find consensus on this fact here without the need for the STUFF process. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:10, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
<blockquote>
:''Argument For from [[User:Mathgrant|Mathgrant]]:'' Both The Cheat's comic and Spamusement! reference spam, and have bad art.

:''Comment from [[User:Kvn8907|Kvn8907]]:'' It was kind of annoying how people kept deleting and re-adding this before this section in STUFF was added, especially when they gave it as their reason for removing it. Not that it has much to do with the current argument; I'm just saying.-[[User:Kvn8907|Kvn8907]] 23:47, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

:''Argument Against from [[User:Ten Ten|Ten Ten]]:'' Claiming it as a reference to one specific source is ambiguous: there are multiple groups that spend time making fun of spam messages.
</blockquote>

::While there are many groups devoted to making fun of spam, crappy drawings based on spam subject lines are pretty much Spamusement!'s trademark, methinks. [[User:Mathgrant|Mathgrant]] 00:21, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

:::<s>I can't really see that TBC were specifically referencing Spamusement. The concept doesn't exactly match Spamusement; The Cheat draws things based on the senders' names, Spamusement draws things based on the subject line. Besides that, The Cheat's screen looks nothing like the POOR web design of Spamusement. Also, looking at several of Spamusement's drawings, they all seem to be black and white, whereas The Cheat's are full color. And The Cheat's style matches all PBTC artistry, so you can't really take drawing style into account. I have to admit, though, that a Google search did not seem to produce anything that compares to Spamusement. I didn't try very hard, though. And I'm not on the fence about it. I would vote to reject this being listed as a real world reference. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 01:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC)</s>

::::Perhaps you're not familiar with how a 'reference' works. What would they have to do for it to be a reference to Spamusement? Have the cheat make comics based on spam subject lines in black and white, matching that guy's style and his style of web design? HILARIOUS. Direct copying of someone else? thats comedic gold. No place for creativity here folks. -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]] 02:04, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

:::::Fine, I take it back. I didn't enjoy this email as it is; just not my kind of humor this time. A rare miss by TBC, IMO. ''(from [[User:OptimisticFool|OptimisticFool]]'s edit summary when removing the above comment)'' 04:09, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

== Kirby ==

The stupid paint thing that is drawn on the Stinkoman comic looks a little like Kirby in a messed up way.

== The Smurfs ==

*It's not something I want to put on the page without discussing it (unlike Penny Arcade where I'm pretty sure), but the evil wizard from the Secret Collect cartoon reminds me of Gargamel. He wears a crappy looking cloak, is balding, has rotten teeth, and the shot of his castle is reminiscent of all the interior shots in Gargamel's castle. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 09:31, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
:I agree entirely, although he also reminds me of Mitch Overlord. {{User:Zoom/sig}} 19:24, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
::I dunno, I don't want to add this unless I get more notes saying it's not a stretch. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 00:42, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
::Mitch Overlord? Are you sure you don't mean [[Bozar]]? -invisible_map

== Spam senders ==

Some of those names, besides Hooray4Dolphins I reckon could be from some other wellknown characters.

Public D. Themackinest - Pompon, The Mack
Lowpoint K. Festivals - Strong Sad, being at a constant lowpoint

There may be others that I have not been able to decifer. I know that it might be a reach, and in any way a weak case, but I just throught that I would throw it out there. [[User:Lord-z|Lord-z]] 15:38, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

: It's an interesting theory, but it strikes me as speculation. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 15:41, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

== Signature blocks ==

I added the following fact as a real world reference:
:The characters in GamerJox monotonously reciting computer specifications at the end of their comic is a reference to the inclusion of such information in [[Wikipedia:Signature block|signature blocks]] of posts in [[Wikipedia:Internet forum|internet forums]] by computer technology enthusiasts.
And it was removed with this explanation:
:Why would he be referencing signature blocks/internet forums in an email about web comics?? And being "similar to" is not enough to be a real world reference.)
The random spouting off computer specs really deserves an explanation, and I'm convinced that this is it. Why else would he possibly have done it? To answer the question the deleter asks, I would imagine Strong Bad is implying that these characters are the kinds of people who use and see computer specs in internet forum signature blocks so regularly that they automatically use them as a "signoff" even when communicating in person. That does seem odd, but it's a joke, and that's how I interpreted it. Did anyone interpret it some other way? [[User:LikeAsItself|LikeAsItself]] 18:51, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
:Seconded. That makes total sense. -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]] 02:01, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
:The reason is that it's a parody of all the unnecessary technogeekery that crop up in these types of comics. It's like if someone were to parody ''Peanuts'' by having Lucy say "Insult of Charlie Brown!" and Linus say "Vaguely related Bible verse!" Or something. There was a parody comic of ''Ozy and Millie'' that went kinda like that, but I can't find it anymore. [[User:Octan|Octan]] 04:41, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
::Here's a question though: is this more of a real-world reference or an explanation? [[User:LikeAsItself|LikeAsItself]] 02:39, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

== Cast of Characters ==

How much of the characters in the comics and cartoons and so one should we include in the cast list? Any? All? Note that not everything in the cast has to be linked. Personally, I'm for including everyone we can name/has a speaking part. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 19:29, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

==Captain N==

The first Saturday morning cartoon reminds me of Captain N. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 23:08, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
:Good thing this is different than the other Captain N message about 3 blocks up -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]] 02:02, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

== Stinkoman Sprite Comics ==

This is obvious, but the Stinkoman Sprite Comic definitely references Stinkoman Sprite Comics on the Fanstuff Wiki. I've seen MS Painted graphics in these things. {{User:Im a bell/sig}} 01:12, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
:P.S. This doesn't need to be STUFF'd! {{User:Im a bell/sig}}

== ... and elves. ==

I believe that Strong Bads line, "They're all about video games, gamernerds, webgeeks, dorknerds, gamewads, nerdgames, webwebs, and elves" makes a reference to 8-bit Theater, at least the part about elves. [[User:12.18.218.230|12.18.218.230]] 01:52, 10 October 2007 (UTC)
:Yes, because 8-Bit Theater is the only webcomic ''ever'' to be about elves. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 01:58, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Talk:hygiene

Jeadly — Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:28:19 GMT

Jeadly: /* Strong Bad's MOM??? */

== Transcript ==
Techgeekmbg hasn't updated the transcript since 2 hours ago. Does that mean it's inactive and somebody can claim it? {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 14:18, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

:I don't know. Is there some kind of time limitation?--{{User:SantanaHomerunner/sig}} 14:57, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

:I don't know either. Have you tried talking to Techgeekmbg? [[User:Puddl3|Puddl3]] 15:44, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

==Goofus & Gallant==

I would like to include as a Real World Reference that the video is a parody of [[Wikipedia:Highlights for Children#Goofus & Gallant|Goofus & Gallant]]. Though it is named after a Highlights feature starting in 1948, it used to describe a particular structure of educational films, contrasting good behavior with bad behavior. The hygiene video is clearly a parody of that style of educational film, thus I do not feel it is TTATOT, especially if worded correctly. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 14:43, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
:Goofus and Gallant is certainly what I thought of when I saw this. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 17:06, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
::I agree. But thats noted already. [[User:Numa Numa|Numa Numa]]
:Can you provide a reference to the general style of films being called "Goofus & Gallant". I'm not disputing the obvious style and it's similiarity to the Highlight's comic, but I've never heard of this correlation as a common term. [[User:74.136.204.2|74.136.204.2]] 18:55, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
::I believe Wbwolf has already addressed the similarities. As your only argument is "I've never heard of this correlation", I'm not exactly convinced against it. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 19:26, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
:::The similarity between the popular comic in Highlights and the filmstrip is indisputable. However, the "good boy" vs "naughty boy" method is not unique. I simply don't see any direct reference to [[Wikipedia:Highlights for Children#Goofus & Gallant|Goofus & Gallant]] in this cartoon. If it is referring to something broader that I am unaware of, please clue me in. -- [[User:74.136.204.2|74.136.204.2]] 19:34, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Example [http://www.archive.org/details/FundoinC1949 1], [http://www.archive.org/details/HabitPat1954 2], [http://www.archive.org/details/Sleepfor1950 3]. Need I go on? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 20:44, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::Thank you for those. I did not consider it appropriate for hrwiki to coin a new phrase. I see now it is common usage, at least in the given subculture. I maintain my objection to a direct reference to the Highlights cartoon, but you have proven how the film style has repeatedly been referred to as "Goofus & Gallant" - esque. [[User:74.136.204.2|74.136.204.2]] 21:05, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
::::::It's a stretch, especially since i can find no mention on wikipedia that goofus and gallant refers to this particular style of video. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:46, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Wikipedia doesn't have ALL the info in the world... I'm okay with it so long as we're clear it's not a DIRECT reference to the comic itself. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:50, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
::::::::If it's not a direct reference then it's TTATOT and doesn't belong anyway. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::I thought of it when I watched the email. There has to be a pun intended... John and Gene. Goofus and Gallant? Similarities...?! Yes. --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 20:56, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::''"John and Gene. Goofus and Gallant?"'' umm, i don't see the connection. It seems to me like "pizza and french fries, shoes and socks" {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:02, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::: The point is it the name is applied to a style of educational film, which the hygiene video is parody of. I have tried to word the entry to be clear it is referring to a class of films, rather than a direct reference to the Highlights cartoon. If someone can find a better link, I'd have no problem with replacing the reference to Wikipedia, but that's the best we have for right now. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 22:09, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
<s>you still have not shown any source that says that this style of films is referred to as such. unless you show me proof, i don't see this fact as valid.</s> Even with proof, i would be skeptical, as parodying a style of file is very close to TTATOT. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:23, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
:I found the links in wbwolf's second post convincing.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:27, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
::Must have missed those... and what about the TTATOT aspect? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:31, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
:Wasn't this originally an Explanation, not a Real-World Reference? {{User:Mee/sig}} 22:49, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

== New Paper's Floppy Disk ==

I think there needs to be a Remark about the fact that New Paper already completely shredded the floppy disk that Strong Bad threw up there during the previous email Concert. [[User:Puddl3|Puddl3]] 15:33, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
:Why?[[User:74.136.204.2|74.136.204.2]] 17:10, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
::Well, we can't be sure what happened to the disk (SB may have just removed it, for example), so if we did include a remark, it would have to be more generic, just saying the disk is gone. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 17:12, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
:::I see the point now, which is that the New Paper did ''not'' completely shred the disk last email, so we would expect it to still be there. I hadn't given the gag much thought, so I didn't miss the floppy in this email. I'm still not sure it's very remarkable. --[[User:74.136.204.2|74.136.204.2]] 17:23, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

==Kids in John's room==

Where were the kids first seen? I remember a robot and Strong Sad telling the story. I remember it was Halloween. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 16:44, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
:[[Homestarloween Party]]. And let's not say where they first appeared in. A filmography is already enough. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 16:46, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

== Match key or Latchkey? ==
Homestar's (john's) first line sounded like "I'm a Latchkey champion" not match key.[[User:65.208.30.254|65.208.30.254]] 17:53, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
:Latchkey. Matchkey makes no sense at all. It's definitely Latchkey. -- [[User:74.136.204.2|74.136.204.2]] 18:03, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
::Latchkey. Match Key? No sense. {{User:Numa Numa/sig}}
:::I've already added a reference to [[Wikipedia:Latchkey kid|latchkey kids]]; someone should change it when the transcript is done. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 19:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

== G Not ==

''Gene's name, the acronym "TGIG" (Thank God I'm Gene), and Gene's grade of G- are all references to the letter G.''
Gene is not a reference to the letter G, it is a reference to Hygiene.
Thank God I'm Gene is also not a reference to the letter G
Infact, I'm removing them both -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]] 18:20, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
:Gene's name isn't but the grades are. Keep the grade one. {{User:Numa Numa/sig}}

== Grown-up Headache ==

Clearly, a grown-up headache is a hangover, and therefore a reference to the al-key-hol. [[User:Telamon|-Telamon]] 21:02, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

:Haha, that didn't occur to me when I watched it, but I entirely agree that that's the joke. As far as whether to include it, I'm afraid that it might explain the joke too much (even though I mightn't have gotten it otherwise). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:05, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

::However, it should go over on [[Alcohol]]. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 21:13, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

:::Yeah, definitely. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

::::Done, and done. [[User:Telamon|-Telamon]] 21:30, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

:::::Since it's his mother, can it be the time of the month, instead of a hangover? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 04:04, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
::::::That'd be more of a "womanly headache" than a grown-up one. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:07, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::::And TBC trys to make it family friendly, i don't think they would reference that.--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 04:11, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

== Ohio State University ==

The following fact was added to STUFF, but there was no discussion here, and I couldn't find any diffs to the article where people were adding and deleting it. So, I'm guessing that whether or not this fact should stay can probably be decided on this talk page.
<blockquote>
Homestar's shirt for Out of State University is very similar in both abbreviation and color scheme to those of Ohio State University.
</blockquote>
The arguments for this fact were that (1) Ohio State University is referred to as OSU, and Out of State University is referred to as OoSU, and (2) the colors of both OSU and OoSU are red and white.

The arguments against this fact were that (1) Homestar's shirt is ''always'' red and white, (2) OSU are the only possible initials it would have, (3) "<math>x</math> State University" is common school name. Anything they might have used as the first word would stand a very good chance of sharing initials with ''some'' school, (4) Ohio State University is referred to most commonly as Ohio State, and (5) Ohio State's t-shirts usually have the school's logo instead of the abbreviation.

The people who were starting to vote for that fact had all declined it so far; I'm imagining that the fate of this fact can be decided simply by a talk page discussion. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:02, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
:I was one of the people who declined it, my reasoning being stated in arguments against 1, 3, 4, and 5 (4 and 5 being my arguments I posted). I'm just throwing it out that I don't like this fact. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 21:12, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
:No contest. Let's forget about the whole ordeal. [[User:74.136.204.2|74.136.204.2]] 21:16, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
:I originally voted to decline, but I think I changed my mind. It's not worded as a refrence; it's just pointing out the similarities in the school initials and colors. I think this would go better under remarks instead of RWR.--{{User:Johnny Jupiter/sig}} 21:47, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
::Still, look at arguments against 1, 2, and 3. It's just pure coincidence. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 22:07, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Bad's MOM??? ==

I might as well start the discussion: can Gene's mom be considered a reference to one of Strong Bad's parents? Or is she just a generic terrible rich woman parent? Me, I'd say the latter. [[User:Telamon|-Telamon]] 21:44, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
:Nah, it's Gene's mom, not Strong Bad's mom. Don't see how it's a reference of any kind to SB's mom, if she exists or not. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:47, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah. The film is a fictional example. The folks at EEF cast Homestar as John, Strong Bad as Gene, and some babe as Gene's mom. Or it may not even be a real person. You only hear the voice, and it obvious that it's Strong Bad's TGS-like female voice. Also, the hand looks likt it's PBTC.--{{User:Johnny Jupiter/sig}} 21:54, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
:::No way, man. Gene's mom is Gene's mom. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 21:56, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
::::But that would imply that Gene is a real person who's not just Strong Bad wearing a pink polo shirt and a blonde wig. And we did just delete [[Gene Strong Bad]] and redirect it to [[Other Character Variations]].--{{User:Johnny Jupiter/sig}} 22:06, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::I agree with the casting analysis. Its Strong Bad playing a role, so he's not a different person and Gene's mother is not Strong Bad's mother. {{User:Jeadly/sig}} 16:28, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

== StrongBadMan Comic ==

I've seen a number of the StrongBadMan comic covers on the site over the years. This one is particularly similar to the Marvel Comics covers of the mid-1990s. To wit:

#The style and font of the box with the issue number, and the price.
#The FREE in "Cheap as FREE" in the upper left has a similar height, and open lettering to the font Marvel used at that time.
#The Strong Bad face, white on black, in the lower left - which was printed in the place of the UPC symbols for issues sold directly at comic retailers. (VERY reminiscent of the style used when Spider-Man first started wearing the alien suit.
[[User:Ozymandias|Ozymandias]] 22:03, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
:I don't know where but I've heard the name Ozymandias before somewhere.--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 04:09, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
::[[Wikipedia:Ozymandias|Here]]? Or maybe [http://www.ozyandmillie.org/ here]? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 04:15, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
:::No, i think it was [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tripods#The_White_Mountains_.281967.29 here].--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 04:21, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

== Where are the hot college girls?==

This is a bit of stretch in terms of notability, but I think that Strong Bad's complaint about getting emails from a fifth grader and where are the college girls is a reference to how homestarrunner.com's audience had trended down in terms of age. One only has to look at the Wiki to see how many users are in the 11-14 age range (and us oldsters are not as common). When the site first opened, the audience was mostly in college, but that has spread over time. Any thoughts on this? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 23:10, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
:homestarrunner.com has always been a child (family) friendly site. From the beginning, Matt and Mike are very intentional about this fact. I'm not sure that this wiki's usage can prove anything in regards to their audience. If anything they are getting older everyday. (I know I am). [[User:74.136.204.2|74.136.204.2]] 02:29, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
::And now I'm even older (to quote their good friends). -- [[User:74.136.204.2|74.136.204.2]] 02:37, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
:Whether or not its a reference, it is a true fact. I don't remember where i saw it, but i did hear it mentioned. posssssibly it was in that video TBC did recently? -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]] 02:35, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
::Can you explicity refer to the video please? I can say anything I want to about... well, anything, if I don't cite my sources. --[[User:74.136.204.2|74.136.204.2]] 02:43, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Ha Ha, my kind trending down the wiki. But i noticed that too. My cousin and his friends LOVED homestarrunner two years ago (he's like 22) then he told me about it, then i told all of my friends, then he and all his friends stopped watching it. So basically TBC lost five of there college audiences and gained a bunch of fifth graders. (Although i'm a sixth grader as of today)--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 02:51, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

== God? ==

Um, is it worth noting that this is the first use of the word "god" on the site? I mean, he ''could'' have used "goodness". [[User:MisteR t|mister t]] 19:04, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

It's just a twist on a popular expression.
:Also technically false, as Strong Sad said "God bless us every one" in [[A Holiday Greeting]]. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 21:34, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
::Which is, again, a popular quote/expression.

Talk:concert

Jeadly — Wed, 22 Aug 2007 16:14:56 GMT

Jeadly: /* Possible reference */

== That was fun... ==

Whee! That was my first transcript! And I gotta admit... That was fun. I gotta get to bed now, good luck finishing the page, guys. [[User:Yadaman|Yadaman]] 13:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, me doing this subtitling is cool too. One thing, tho: I am seeing the "local viewer test subtitle" screen as sbemail174 with sbemail175 subtitles. This normal? (sbemail174's OK). I should probably get to bed soon, too. [[User:ZanderSchubert|ZanderSchubert]] 14:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::No that isn't normal. In Line 5, it says sbemal174.swf instead of 175. You might want to change that. Also, if you quit working on the subtitles, please remove the <nowiki>{{inprgoress}}</nowiki>-template. You could change it to <nowiki>{{stub}}</nowiki> {{User:The Commander IN COMMAND/sig}} 14:23, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I just noticed that as well... Changed, removed "Inprogress" and done up until (but excluding) the easter eggs. Night, all. [[User:ZanderSchubert|ZanderSchubert]] 14:58, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

== An eerie coincidence? ==

I noticed something very interesting. In [[best thing]], the description of the alternative rock band that knocked Limozeen off the charts seems to accurately describe sloshy. Three members, glasses, short hair, no guitarist? Even though it's coincidental, does anyone think it may still deserve to be in fun facts, perhaps as a remark or something? [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 11:33, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, that does sound familiar. I say it deserves to possibly be an Inside Reference or something. Maybe a remark. Idk, I'm not good at this fun fact thing. {{User:Compgrl323/sig}} 11:41, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::I think the connection's a little tenuous. All the members of sloshy have short hair, so if Limozeen had been knocked off the charts by them, Mary would have said "And they've got short hair!" rather than "And the drummer's got short hair!" It's more likely that these are just common examples of indie/alternative fashion in contrast to 80s metal fashion. -ART
:::Limozeen didn't say that the band kicked them off didn't have a guitarist, they just didn't bother mentioning him, probably because he wasn't doing anything as unmetal as the rest of the band.

==Buy all play sets and toys!==

With the Cheat Commandos toys showing up, along with the Troop Transport, again in this short, do we do anything beyond just mentioning them here in the transcript and references? I'm sorta surprised that the individual accessories (like the Troop Transport) don't at least have images with them. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 14:48, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

==Alternative==

Could sloshy be an alternative band? [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 16:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:I was led to believe as such. [[User:76.99.103.184|76.99.103.184]] 17:10, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::I think sloshy's an emo group. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 22:50, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Gloomcore. [[User:76.200.149.76|76.200.149.76]] 22:51, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::::No, it's definitely alternative rock. Look at the facts:
::::#No costumes.
::::#Short hair.
::::#A logo that's not jaggedy or drippety at all.
::::#Songs that aren't about girls/Los Angeles/good times ect.
::::#Electric guitar solos.
::::#Strange band name.
::::#Not depressing and/or gloomy like emo or gloomcore.
::::Furthermore, I kept comparing sloshy to [[Wikipedia:They Might Be Giants|They Might Be Giants]] and [[Wikipedia:Muse|Muse]] (my favourite band) throughout the entire email. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 11:51, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::I dunno... they seemed like a mix between the Meat Puppets and The Strokes to me... [[User:Jaypolka|Jaypolka]] 03:18, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

== Email song? ==

I can't shake the feeling that the email song is a reference to some metal song. My first guess was Black Sabbath's 'Paranoid,' but that's not it. Any ideas, or am I just insane? [[User:76.99.103.184|76.99.103.184]] 17:12, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
* Howbout The Kinks (Paranoia Will Destroyya). Not metal. In short, TTATOT. [[User:76.200.149.76|76.200.149.76]] 22:52, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

The one band I couldn't help but think of when they played "don't even care" was 3rd Eye Blind (Specifically during their first self-titled album.) Just the way the tune kind of reminds me of the way the lead singer from 3EB sings for some of the songs like "hows it gonna be" --[[User:Foolster41|Foolster41]] 06:51, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

== Marble Craze ==

The music from the game Strong Bad/Sad are playing is from Marble Craze and can be heard here: http://qotile.net/audio/marble_music.mp3 --[[User:74.110.104.75|74.110.104.75]] 18:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

== Not a "special" email? ==

So I guess this email #175 is not a "special" email, in the spirits of emails 50, 100, & 150? I suppose we can all agree that "25th anniversary" emails (25 integrals ending in -25 and -75) have not been given special treatment that agknowledge their number. --[[User:Compdude|Compdude]]
:Yeah, the 25s haven't been as special (except maybe [[rock opera]]). [[super powers]] was ''kind of'' special-like, revealing superpowers, but [[funny]]... stunk out loud. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::[[funny]] was funny as f**k, man. ''You're'' outloud. Tenderly, I remain, [[User:76.200.149.76|76.200.149.76]] 22:58, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:::OK, now we're getting into [http://forum.hrwiki.org forum] territory. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 22:59, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::::I think that [[funny]], like [[personal favorites]], was funniest the first time I saw them. {{User:Neox/sig}}

== First Email w/ New Paper to have back button? FALSE! ==

Someone posted a revision saying this is the first email with the New Paper to have a back button. Not true. See ''[[the paper|email 173]]''. {{User:Ert plus/sig}} 04:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Tex-mex? ==

I know it was me that wrote the transcript... But the 'tex-mex' bit was mostly a guess, and now that I think about it, it didn't really sound like tex-mex... it was sorta like... tech-mesh. or tetrex.. [[User:Yadaman|Yadaman]] 04:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:Tex-Mex is what I heard.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 04:45, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:It is tex-mex. don't argue with me, i've been on the internets -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 13:38, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Bad Shirt ==

Has this been enough occasions of Strong Bad wearing a shirt to deserve its own page, or should it just be a fun fact? {{User:Itama/sig}} 04:55, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:We've got [[Strong Bad Other Costumes]]. Is that what you meant?{{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:59, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
I was kinda wondering that myself.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 05:00, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:I think that would be a good page: "Although strong bad usually goes shirtless, there has been a few occasions were he is seen wearing a shirt" And then it goes on, then we can show pictures of when he's wearing shirts.--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 05:04, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
::Oh, wait, we have [[Strong bad wearing a shirt|this]].--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 05:06, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I just now saw that too. Rats. Here I thouhght we had a good idea going.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 05:08, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Strong sad wearing a shirt?--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 05:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Possible reference ==

When Strong Bad throws that record at Strong Sad and a piece gets stuck in his head, I thought it very similar to a scene in the movie Shaun of the Dead in which a record is thrown at a zombie and a very similar thing happens. Think it's enough of a reference to make the page?
:I personally thought it was a reference to an episode of Family Guy when Stewie gets a piece of glass lodged in his forehead. Except ''he'' is the one that crashes into the sharp objects (a glass cabinet), not the other way around. [[User:Jimmy91|Jimmy91]] 10:59, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
::I agree with the Shaun of the Dead reference. I can't imagine any other reason why he'd throw a record rather than something harder at Strong Sad, like a CD case or something. It's what my mind jumped to immediately after I saw it, especially with the triangular piece lodged in Strong Sad's forehead. {{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 15:43, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
::I absolutely agree; I thought of that scene from Shaun right away.{{User:Jeadly/sig}} 16:14, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

== New Paper change ==

<nowiki>Did anybody else notice that the bottom of the envelope on the new paper was more defined? Do we think this is a graphical mistake or is the new paper slowly gaining its ink?
</nowiki>
:if anything, the paper would be gettings its ink 'flowing' earlier. unless this is another time and space defying printer, it must print the part of the paper that comes into the screen first, which is the part thats the fadedest -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 13:39, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== accents ==

An acute accent, as in intriguéd (which Strong Bad types on the screen in his e-mail, and is pronounced roughly like a long A sound), and a grave accent, as in pleatèd (which is a running gag on the site, and is pronounced roughly like a short E sound) are two entirely different things.
[[User:64.198.255.1|64.198.255.1]] 18:51, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

== Textiles ==

I aggree that the thing about calling Tex-Mex a textile needs deleted. It doesn't seem like it was a mistake. Strong Bad has a history of naming a list of 3 or 4 things, and the last one being kinda out of place, as a little joke. (The first one to come to mind is "No running, no diving, no swimming.") Also, and perhaps more importantly, he wasn't naming off textiles. Latex isn't one. We obviously need something about Tex-Mex, but the textile thing is too far fetched.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 03:49, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
:So we should not, in the process of explaining what tex-mex is, inform the viewer that it is not a cloth we can make clothes out of, which Strong Bad purports? Latex can be used in the manner of a textile - perhaps the term "textile" can be improved upon? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:04, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
::Just saying what Tex-Mex is: "The term tex-mex refers to several things, including a style of cuisine, a style of music, and a railway" suffices to explain that it's not something to wear. I guess, yeah, it wouldn't be so bad if we used a word other than textile, and if we didn't make it sound like Strong Bad made a mistake ('cause he dosen't make 'em!) But still, for the record, my vote it to get rid of that line altogether.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 04:14, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Sure he makes them, it's the beauty of the character. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:13, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Talk:more armies

Jeadly — Tue, 22 May 2007 16:39:49 GMT

Jeadly: /* Benedetto! */

== Benedetto!==
Just making sure. Frank Bennedetto was not in this email, but rather a memorial to him. Right? -
[[User:Drsandsattwo|Drsandsattwo]] 20:18, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Uhm... no. Frank was revealed to be alive in Labor Dabor (and sign your name please.) -[[User:Everybody!|Everybody!]] 21:49, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

Sorry. What I realize Bennedetto is as alive as a psuedocharacter can be, but that is a memorial rather than the real thing. correct? -
[[user:Drsandsattwo|Drsandsattwo]] 23:38, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I'd say that the memorial of Bennedetto counts as a character appearance as much as stuffed Strong Bad suplexing a cougar does. {{User:Jeadly/sig}} 16:39, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

== I have made my decission ==

I can do the transcript luckaly say my parents. I can do the transcript. Can I do the transcript again? {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

:[[User:Has Matt?|Has Matt?]] is {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=more_armies&curid=34763&diff=460758&oldid=460756&rcid=415474 working on it now}}. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:54, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

==Not-yet opened STUFF==

The third kid facing certain doom in the Homestarmy refers to military school.

- {{User:Gtxm78/sig}} 21:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I think that, if anything, certain doom refers to the fact that Homestar is a ridiculously inept "commander" and will lead the Homestarmy to certain doom. - [[User:Chupaqueso|Chupaqueso]] 22:01, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

He's more of a "Col-o-nel". -WeatherPerson

==Jumped in?==
What's that mean? Strong Bad said you can send your kid off to join the On Point Kings, but he'll have to be jumped in. Funny, usually by the time I come here, the e-mail page is already done. It's odd to see it so new :). [[User:Kvn8907|Kvn8907]] 22:11, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

: It's the standard gang initiation... urban legends about flashing headlights and assaulting random people in front of Wal-Mart notwithstanding, most gangs simply beat the $*#! out of prospective members to make sure they're tough enough. That's called being "jumped in". [[User:68.13.21.225|68.13.21.225]] 23:22, 21 May 2007 (UTC) (a no-account good for nothing so and so)

==Firebert to Trogdor==
It's possible that The Cheat didn't change Firebert to Trogdor just because his name was awful. I think it's more to do with the popularity of Trogdor and the amount of fan contributions it has spawned.
:Same here. {{User:4kai2lyn6/sig}} 00:10, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::agreed --[[User:EricTheDerek|EricTheDerek]] 00:20, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:::I disagree. I think the firebert not being a good commando name was exactly what they had in mind. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:22, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::::but Trogdor isn't a commando name...is it? --[[User:EricTheDerek|EricTheDerek]] 00:25, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::::I agree as well... SB may have stated his opinion that Firebert isn't a good commando name in a previous email, but there's no reason to assume that's the reason he's unpopular; the gag would have worked just as well with any of the other commandos. The gag is a commentary on how much more popular Trogdor is than the commandos, not the "quality" of the name. - [[User:Uglinessman|Ugliness Man]] 02:10, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

==Redheaded stepchild?==
Is it possible that "step-headed red-child" is a reference to the phrase "redheaded stepchild," meaning an unfavored child? -[[User:HotBees|HotBees]] 00:01, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:If that's an actualy saying, then i'd say definately. Incidentally, i've never heard that before. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:03, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:: I have. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:21, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Me three. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:22, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Ditto, I've heard the phrase "gonna beat you like a red-headed step-child", and I've heard a few comedians reference the phrase. And even if it wasn't a common phrase, there'd pretty much be no other explanation for what the heck step-headed red-child is supposed to mean. - [[User:Uglinessman|Ugliness Man]] 02:15, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::::According to [http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=red-headed+stepchild Urban Dictionary], red-headed stepchild is a synonym for whipping boy. That's how I've always heard it used (eg, my department is the company's red-headed stepchild) and that makes sense in this context. (Be ye warned, oh external link-clickers, Urban Dictionary is NOT a family-friendly website!) [[User:Not Horse Woman|Not Horse Woman]] 00:44, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::: It's an old saying for suretain. --[[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 01:19, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

== Umm ==

Is there some kind of arbitrary rule that you don't link the same page twice in a paragraph or something? "which strong bad said was not a good commando name in army" looks wonky without a link or some way to identify "army" as referring to an email and not simply a grammatical miscarriage. -anonymous
:Link once and only once. First instance only. It's not unwritten, it's written.. [[HRWiki:Once And Only Once|place]]... {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::I understand the reason for the rule, and I'm not asking for the rule to be relaxed or broken, but there should be some sort of punctuation or format convention (quotes, bold, italics, some combination of 2 or 3) for a case like this. Otherwise, as anonymous pointed out, it just looks like bad grammar. - [[User:Uglinessman|Ugliness Man]] 02:13, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:::"Once and Only Once" has little to do with this... the rule you're after is [[HRWiki:Standards#Link once|Link once]]. But I agree, things like email names should be linked every time... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::::You sure 'bout that, Phlip? Email names always linked? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::It's tough, because if we were doing it correctly, we would probably have all the toons' names italicized. Since we don't, if you use the name of an email/toon but don't link it, it looks strange, like this: "Strong Bad's first email was some kinda robot". Especially the emails, since they're uncapitalized. So, I'm not sure that linking them all the time is the best solution, but we've got to do something to make them stand out, and italicizing them sometimes but not others would be too inconsistent... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 09:12, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

== Boond? ==

What does the "Boond You Like?" poster behind Homestar mean? {{User:Einstein runner/sig}} 02:54, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:From what I understand, it's a portmanteau of "bowl" and "spoon." That still doesn't make sense, though. -[[User:HotBees|HotBees]] 03:00, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::Maybe something to do with [[Wikipedia:War bond|war bonds]]? {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:14, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

== Mercenaries ==

The line "Mercenaries are typically known to have bad reputations" was used to explain the point of Strong Bad saying "We do bad stuff". How is this not NPOV? -[[User:Itama|Itama]] 03:29, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:I took that sentence out, and with NPOV, I meant the part about the missionaries. Without the missionaries bit, I didn't see much relevance in the mercenaries part of the sentence.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 10:13, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

==Poster==

should it be mentioned that the "do you has" poster, though slightly changed, has been used in a down loadable wallpaper?

== He-Man ==
So, someone thought that the Poopsmith's change into the Municipality Soldier was not related to He-Man... I thought the lightning striking the shovel was just like the special magic that changes Prince Adam into Heman... "By the Castle of Grayskull.... I HAVE THE POWER!" I would like to add it back in, but please let me know what you thing.... I think you need to be a He-Man fan to appreciate it... any takers for a debate? [[User:MisteR t|mister t]] 05:06, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:I see the resemblence, but I think it's a reference to the Marines commercials (especially given the context of the toon). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 05:09, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::No, I totally thought of He-Man too. The Chaps are notorious for '80s refs. ...I think. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:14, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:::But really. Is this the place for a He-Man reference? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:06, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
::::I'm gonna have to agree with Trey on this one. This is a clear Marine commercial reference. It also makes a lot more sense to be referencing an actual military recruitment commercial (rather than He-Man) at a Vaguely Military Career Fair. [[User:Manolios|Manolios]] 14:07, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::It does seem like a He-Man reference, now that you mention it. Besides, The Poopsmith doesn't almost lose his grip, like in the Marines commercial it seems to be referencing. [[User:Neox|Neox]]
::::::And He-Man... does? The Marines commerical reference is patently true (it says "pooper fi" on his shield). The only reason the scene resembles He-Man at all is because the Marines commercial that it parodies kinda does. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:40, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

== His left hand? ==

:The Cheat uses the marker with his [[left handedness|left hand]].

I don't want to change this yet just in case it's just my dyslexia, but I'm pretty sure the Cheat is using that marker with his right hand. [[User:Wrath|Wrath]] 13:52, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
:Hmm, true, i corrected the wording, didn't think to look at the fact itself. Okay. DELETED! {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 14:06, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

== Brown Ops ==

I am not 100% on this, but aren't brown ops Navy operations in coastal and riverine areas?

== What? No goofs? ==

Shouldn't there be a goofs section? I noticed that when Strong Bad gets up, you see his reflection emerge from behind the Lappy and his head is behind the fairly tattered Paper.
:I haven't seen that one yet myself. But it's a wiki; feel free to add it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:04, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

== Mile reference? ==

Does anyone else think the sound The Cheat makes in the beginning of the Easter Egg is similar to that 1 from when he looked around in [[mile]]? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 15:40, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

== Ganglo-Saxon ==

Isn't "Ganglo-Saxon" a [[portmanteau]] of "gangly" (probably referring to the build of high-school-age students likely to be attending career fairs) and "Anglo-Saxon"? (Edit: I see now that Has Matt? has added it to the Portmanteaus page already, just not here.) -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 15:55, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Talk:DNA Evidence

Jeadly — Fri, 18 May 2007 19:33:38 GMT

Jeadly: /* Hat and Trenchcoat */

== Article name ==

I think that we should move the article for the toon to [[DNA Evidence]] and just use the {{tl|abouttoon}} and {{tl|for}} disambiguation notices for the top of the page, rather than having a separate disambiguation page. My reasons: (1) the toon is more important than the running gag, now that all the appearances of the gag have been included into the toon, (2) it will make it easier to cite the toon in the future, which will be necessary for the article much more often than for the gag, (3) it will look better in {{tl|toonnav}} at the top of [[Date Nite]] and the other one (currently [[The King of Town DVD]]), although we could just do a workaround by substituting the template or using a parserfunction in {{tl|toonnav}}. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:19, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

:I agree. It should be moved to [[DNA Evidence]].{{User:Loafing/sig}} 23:22, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
::'''AGREE'''/10 {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}} 23:32, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Agree. That seems to be a worthy proposal. --[[User:Chiron|Chiron]] 23:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

== Detective ==

When Homestar was running around in his little detective outfit, isn't that a lack of visible ar- wait, it was already referenced. Oh well. "It's gonna cost you an arm and a leg!" --[[User:Chiron|Chiron]] 23:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
:His arm being visible inside that sleeve (so to speak) is going to answer a lot of questions about invisible arms vs telekinesis, eh?

== Goofs ==

I actually saw this: When Marzipan first walks up to Bub's concession stand, She did not have her toga on. After I got off and got back on a short time later, She was wearing her toga when she walked up to Bub's's.

I noticed this too. I added it. If anyone disagrees, go ahead and remove it. ;) [[User:DNA Evidence|DNA Evidence]] 02:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Dangeresque, Also? ==

Strong Bad seems to be reprising his role of Dangeresque while he is being interviewed by Strong Sad - he's wearing the glasses, he's in the [[smoky office]], he even says the catchphrase. Should this be mentioned in the Cast section? [[User:Not Horse Woman|Not Horse Woman]] 00:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:I even heard some of the Dangeresque music at one point! [[User:Neox|Neox]]
::ONE point? --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]]
:::Well, of course. He even says "I'm gonna have to jump!" at the end. No question he was being Dangeresque.--{{User:NevaDie/sig}} 21:13, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Homestar's teeth ==

On Strong Sad's chart, Homestar is shown smiling with teeth showing. Where should this fact go? -[[User:72.26.64.24|72.26.64.24]] 00:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:I was bold and stuck it in Remarks. If that isn't appropriate, you can move it. -[[User:HotBees|HotBees]] 00:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Delete ==

Could one of y'all sysops delete [[DNA Evidence]] because the actual toon is called [[The DNA Evidence]] and I was going to move [[DNA Evidence (running gag)]] back to [[DNA Evidence]]. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 00:47, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:Precedent is to name the articles by whatever the [[Toons|Toons Menu]] calls it, even if that's different to the title card in the toon. The menu calls this toon just "DNA Evidence", without the "The". Look at [[KOT's VOQPCS!]] and [[A Folky Tale]]... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 00:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

==Edit Conflict'd==

I thought it was just the transcript we couldn't touch. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 01:00, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah it happens even when I try to edit ANOTHER section. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 02:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

== Dang!==

The cleaner on Coach Z's Janitator cart was called "DANG!". This could possibly be in reference to a product called [http://www.easyoffbam.us/ BAM] in North America which has an onomatopoea for a brand name. Thoughts? [[User:PlasticDiverGuy|PlasticDiverGuy]] 01:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:Meh, seems TTATOT to me, cleaning products with catchy monosyllabic names are fairly common. [[User:Not Horse Woman|Not Horse Woman]] 02:00, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::I think "DANG!" and "BAM" are pretty similar.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 02:53, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:The last time I checked, "dang" wasn't an onomatopoeia... [[User:EYanyo|EYanyo]] 02:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::Dang isn't onomatopoeia by itself, but the adding of the exclaimation mark, especially on a cleaning product, suggests it's a made-up one, like using "Zonk!" on the 60s Batman show. - [[User:PlasticDiverGuy|PlasticDiverGuy]] 03:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Uh, no. "Dang!" is an interjection. Not an onomatopoeia at all. When was the last time you heard something go "Dang!" when it hit the floor? --{{User:Lux Acerbus/sig}} 04:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::::True enough, it's an interjection, but the name "Dang!" might be a reference to "BAM" by EasyOff and that was why I put it here in the first place. There aren't any other spray-on cleaning products I can think of or find with a more similar name. - [[User:PlasticDiverGuy|PlasticDiverGuy]] 05:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::Also, the same product is marketed in the UK and South Africa under the name "[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cillit_Bang BANG]", which might be relevant. --[[User:Johnny Ord'nary|Johnny Ord'nary]] 08:23, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::::When's the last time they made a cultural reference to something outside of the western hemisphere? Furthermore, I don't know that "bam" is more of a possibility than [http://www.shoutitout.com/clean-stains-home.aspx?box=0&tab=trigger] "shout." --[[User:71.203.169.248|71.203.169.248]] 09:58, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::::I dunno, Lux, ''I'' usually say "dang" when I hit the floor, and a few other words to boot. --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]]
:I think that by this point it's pretty clear [[TTATOT]]. 'Nuff said. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 10:00, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Dangeresque 3 ==
Since SB is dressed like Dangeresque, maybe the famed Dangeresque 3, if there is ever one, will be about the DNA evidence. just a guess, though. -{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}
:I'm pretty sure that this toon marks the culmination of the DNA evidence gag. [[User:EYanyo|EYanyo]] 02:55, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::I think that that was a pun because of the setting and Strong Bad's style of talking--[[User:Brad|Brad]] 22:01, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

==Approved Comics==

Both of the easter egg comics appear to bear the mark of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comics_Code_Authority Comics Code Authority]. While the mark is fairly close to the real thing, the text of the mark on comic books in real life reads, "Approved by the Comics Code Authority". The text in the comics in this toon do not match that text. - [[User:PlasticDiverGuy|PlasticDiverGuy]] 02:10, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Old Maid Marzipan? ==

"Old Maid Marzipan" sounds more like a reference to "Maid Marian" than just simply "Old Maid." Do you think it's both maybe? --[[User:Abelhawk|Abelhawk]] 02:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:Possibly. I think it's just more of an old-timey reference to an unmarried woman, rather than a card game. Any thoughts?--{{User:NoMayonnaise/sig}} 04:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::If [[colouring|Goody Marzipan]] didn't merit a mention (even being wrongfully gunned down in STUFF), I don't see why this should. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Office Space again! I said Office Space again! ==

I realize this has been voted down several times already in previous toons/emails, but, yeah, I'm just gonna go ahead and point out what I believe is another oblique reference to Bill Lumbergh of [[Wikipedia:Office Space|Office Space]]: Strong Bad's message on the Lappy starts with "Hi. Yeah, go ahead and...", which is very similar to Bill's manner of speaking. And in this case (as with previous turned-down references), the context is clearly similar to that of Office Space, where Strong Bad writes as sort of a manager, presumably to someone he views as a subordinate. That's where the similarity ends, granted, but I believe there is a definite similarity there. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 04:19, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:And of course, it's possible (not entirely likely, but possible) TBC have seen our discussions and included this just to vex us. =3 --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:22, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::Personally, if you ask me, I think they've been messing around with us for quite some time now. :) Especially with non-sequiturs like [[Drive-thru]]. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 04:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Heck, THIS toon is a pretty big indication of their liking to vex us. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Dorian, i think it's likely. They've said that they use the wiki a lot. Plus... Who knows that they're not actually one of the users on the wiki... How do we know they're not... YOU! [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 04:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::::I just think the idea that TBC, who for the most part are pretty anonymous behind Homestarrunner.com and (to my knowledge) have never directly interacted with the wiki, might be sitting there wondering what they can throw out there that'll totally mess with our minds and get us buzzing over here... I just find that really amusing. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 04:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Has anyone considered that maybe they're just trying to be funny? Danny Lilithborne 20:24, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
:TBC? Funny?? Naaah, couldn't be. ;) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 20:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm gonna have to ask you to stop assuming these are references to Office Space, okay? --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 04:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

== Loose end ==

This cartoon explained almost everything, except why Pom Pom wanted Homestar to bring him the DNA evidence in "From Work." [[User:BethEnd|BethEnd]] 04:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:Umm, what about why it was in the movie they were watching? It left that out too. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 04:29, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::Hence the subtitle "Your questions sorta answered!". :) Don't read too much into it. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 04:30, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Hmm, actually, strong sad DID say "just like in the movies". [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 04:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:Heh, or how marzipan got the pink TAMPERED test tube --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 13:41, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I think Bubs just filled it with whatever soda or coloring he had around the stand. [[User:BethEnd|BethEnd]] 14:57, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Or how about why Strong Bad wanted the DNA evidence to continue experiments on The Cheat when he knew that it was Strong Sad's DNA he was preventing Bubs from analyzing. {{User:Jeadly/sig}} 16:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

THAT was just a flat-out lie to Strong Sad to cover himself. --[[User:Abelhawk|Abelhawk]] 19:10, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Twin Peaks ==

Ok I tried to say this was a reference to Twin Peaks. Am I doing something wrong? Why is this being removed when I add it?
:Because it's TTATOT. Countless shows have "previously on" segments. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::I understand that, but Twin Peaks has the trademark jazz and fingersnap "previously on Twin Peaks" segments. This wouldn't be the first time Twin Peaks was referenced by TBC either.
:::Maybe true, but it's still TTATOT. jazz and fingersnaps are common to detective shows. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 05:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::::That's fair enough. I just know that as a Twin Peaks fan, this reference seems to scream out at me. :) Apologies for being anonymous. Gotta look into getting a user ID.
:::::Umm, it's the link at the top right of the page. ANY hrwiki page. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 05:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::You should! [[Special:Userlogin|Creating a username]] is free and has [[HRWiki:Why create an account?|many benefits]]. Also, I don't know anything about Twin Peaks, but you do have a point that the show has been explicitly referenced in the past. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 05:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::thx... created an account. I know it wasn't rocket science, but hey I hadn't gotten around to it before now. :)
:::::::YAY! now you should remember to sign your talk posts with four tildas: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> so that it leaves your user name and a timestamp. Like these right here: [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 05:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Mild Mannered Alter-Ego ==
Could this phrase be a reference to Calvin and Hobbes? That's where I first saw it. I'm amazingly out of the loop on popular culture though, so I could be wrong. --[[User:James|JamesGecko]] 06:42, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:I'm not sure, but I think it was first used to describe Clark Kent, Superman's mild-mannered alter ego. I do know that it's a cliche in superhero comics. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 06:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::Yes, it translates back to early Superman, where Clark was described as a "mild-mannered reporter". --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 06:45, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Superman is the ultimate source I believe. It also translates to Unix geeks, where the concept of a "super-user" exists, (one with root access on their account, see man (8) sudo). Unix admins often refer to non-priveledged users as "mild-mannered".{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 07:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we should mention the Superman/Clark Kent/Kal-El thing on the article, it is a clear reference. {{User:Slipstream/sig}}
:Seems to me to be more like a generic reference to superheroes and their alternate identities. The "mild-mannered" bit also applies to Spiderman/Peter Parker and numerous other heroes, although it is correct to say that Superman started the trend. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== toothéd ==

It seems at least notable to me to mention Homestars teeth.

I totally understand the arguments against and why the references have been removed.

I still think it's worthy of note, as his teeth aren't a normal thing.

{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 08:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

:TBC are definately playing with our minds... [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 08:45, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

:Are those his teeth? I thought it was just hatching. {{User:Mee/sig}}

:It's just the back of the side of his mouth. It shows even on his normal model, when his mouth's open. --[[User:Abelhawk|Abelhawk]] 19:13, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Do You Think...? ==

Do you think that this started out as: 
a. Just something in one of the SBEmails that just stuck around (3 votes) 
b. Was planned as a running joke (0 votes) 
c. Planned as a big toon (0 votes) 
d. Something entirely different (0 votes) 

Personally, I think it was something in one of the SBEmails that they just decided to run with. (In other words, option A.) 
--[[User:ArgentAngel|ArgentAngel]] 10:46, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

:Voting isn't necessary here, unless you think you can go into the past and change TBC's motive with your willpower. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 17:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

:Well, I'm just curious as to what people think. --[[User:ArgentAngel|ArgentAngel]] 22:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::Probably a topic better suited for the forum. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 22:11, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== French ==

Two things. First of all, Strong Sad's pronunciation, is that a foreign pronunciation? He has in the past accentuated in either French or Japanese.
However, the French word for "due" is "dû." Is Homestar trying to say "Mountain Dû" and "tastes like dûdû?" Obviously it's a mistranslated pun, but it's [[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/unnatural#Trivia not the first time.]]--[[User:71.203.169.248|71.203.169.248]] 10:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Strong Sad's pronunciation of "Marzipan" is not French. I don't know what it is, but it's certainly not French.
Moreover, "dû," the past participle form of "devoir," is not pronounced like "doi." [[User:Pensivepoet.babblingbard|Pensivepoet.babblingbard]] 23:49, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

:I think the pronunciation of Marzipan is a reference to Strong Bad's old accent. At least, it sounds just about the same as when SB said it in [[The Reddest Radish]]. - [[User:Wrath|Wrath]] 15:10, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

==Taxidoimied Strong Bad==

The scene where Homestar hangs up his coat and hat on the 'statue' of Strong Bad suplexing a cougar is from 'your funeral' where it's one of the ways SB wants to be preserved - and apparently part of a sbemail "fantasy" segment. How does that work? Did SB actually die and come back to life during that email?
:No, it was clearly a fantasy because of Strong Bad's changing his mind back at the Lappy. Not sure how it works here though. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 16:09, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::Not to mention, the "previously on..." segment is literally just a series of clips from previous emails, regardless of how they fit in to whatever passes for a reality in the H*R universe. :) Whoever qualifies as the director of the toon (in-universe) just took the clips verbatim. (Obviously, that's true out-of-universe as well.) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Previously.... ==

Didn't Bonus Stage once do an intro that looks very similar to this toon's intro? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 11:22, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:Twice, actually, but it's just a coincidence. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 14:42, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::Let's not forget [[fingers]] and [[retirement]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:16, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

==Clue==

Isn't the plot for this similar to that of the board game [[Wikipedia: Clue|Clue]]? [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 16:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

:Not really. Do you see "Marzipan in Da Basement with Eggs" anywhere? Clue focuses on traveling from place to place and making conjectures, not going to different people and interviewing them. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 17:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Fun facts ==

Two things I noticed in the Fun Facts section (I want to hear your opinion first, so I didn't edit it)

Strong Sad looking up at the toon title in the beginning of the toon breaks the fourth wall.
:I believe he was looking up to some kind of banner that is part of his presentation. "Coincidentally" the banner is also used as the toon title. So it wouldn't necessarily be a Fourth Wall break since the sign actually "existed". --[[User:80.135.88.26|80.135.88.26]] 16:46, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::There's a fourth-wall break somewhere in there, whether it's Strong Sad or the banner itself. If the banner shifts out of the title screen and into Strong Sad's scene, then the banner itself has broken the fourth wall. If Strong Sad is looking at an element that is physically outside his scene, then he's breaking the fourth wall. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::Decline. I see nothing. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 21:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:::After looking at it in more detail, I agree that it's not clear he's breaking the fourth wall here. Strong Sad has been known to do so before, but in those cases it's really obvious. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 22:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

This cartoon is the conclusion to the DNA Evidence story arc.
:I agree, it looks like this - On the other hand this seems exactly the kind of statement to me that would seduce TBC into making even more DNA evidence references, just to annoy the wikians :) So maybe we should be careful with claims like these. --[[User:80.135.88.26|80.135.88.26]] 16:46, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
::I would have worded it: "This cartoon is based on the DNA Evidence running gag that appeared in five straight Strong Bad Emails, starting with X." I agree that declaring it the END of the story arc may be premature, since we don't know what TBC's plans are for this gag. I'm sure we'll see an occasional reference to it from here on out. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Continuity ==

"Well, it all started several weeks ago."
"Well, it all started a few weeks ago."
"Yeah, I went over to Strong Bad's the other day."
This whole thing occurred in TWO days, didn't it? One day when the DNA evidence went around, and then Coach Z 'took it to work the next day.' Then again, they may just be referring to when the emails happened, which was, as of now, 'several weeks ago,' etc. --[[User:Abelhawk|Abelhawk]] 19:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

::Agreed. This is a fourth-wall break. They're clearly referring to several real time weeks ago, which happened to be two days their time. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 21:33, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Keep it rusty ==

This is one of those rare cases when you can [[:Image:Keep It Rusty.ogg|hear]] what's actually being said by slowing down the audio. I'm going to change the transcript and subtitles now. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 19:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
:I agree, it sounds like "rusty," not 'rustic."
::I have no opinion one way or the other. I asked the guys in the channel when i was doing the write up and "rustic" seemed to be the consensus. I have no idea which it is, and will let you guys fight it out. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 20:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Reference to email #12? ==

As you might have noticed on the Lappy's screen, does the email Strong Bad receives in [[credit card]] seem to ring a bell? I know the message on the screen is slightly similar.

== Test Tube Reoccurance ==

Underlings was the only email to not specifically use the term DNA evidence in dialogue, but the test tube on the "You-reek-a" shirt does look exactly like the one used to hold the DNA evidence. worth mentioning? [[User:71.104.226.62|71.104.226.62]] 00:32, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

:Not really. It's a generic test tube. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 00:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
== deep breaths ==
is it just me or do the voices sound a little "off" and obviously "breathy" as compared to the normal voices. specifically marzipan, whose voice sounds different and missy is apparently blowing into the mic on purpose. {{User:TheDude/sig}} 01:47, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

==4th wall break==

Homestar's voiceover at the very beginning is a 4th wall break. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 02:04, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

== Homestarms! ==

I think this is pretty clear proof of the idea that Homestar has invisible arms, and doesn't use telekinesis or whatever. When Homestar drinks the DNA evidence, the arms of his trenchcoat move and bend like a real (visible) arm would, and the sleeve is even open as if there was an arm in it.

:Yes this was added to the main homestar article. pleas sign your posts. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 15:17, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

== Angry Strong Sad or Strong Sad laughing ==
hey has anyone seen Strong Sad angry or laughing before this came out?
[[user:Dayle14|Dayle14]] 16:42 17 May 2007
:Yes, see [[Strong Sad Smiling]]. Angry? Not except for in [[rough copy]]. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 15:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
::You could also check [[Strong Bad and Strong Sad's Relationship#Strong Sad's Revenge|their relationship page]] for other less-than-Strong Sad actions against Strong Bad. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:15, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

== 24 Reference ==

The "Previously on HomestarRunner.com" opening is a direct reference to the opening sequence of 24 with the main character narrating and the color of the background and typeface. I was going to include it but there was a note that said not to. I think the reference is strong enough to warrant inclusion especially considering in the past there was a separate narrator. - {{User:BlackWidower/sig}} 17:52, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
:No, a lot of shows use the same thing. [[TTATOT]] [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 17:57, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
:Look at it this way. The opening sequence of "24" is a direct reference to most other serialized TV dramas. Not noteworthy here. --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 18:01, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
::But to see the colors and narration? How many other shows use that? I just don't feel it's a coincidence. - {{User:BlackWidower/sig}} 18:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
:::[[wikipedia:Star Trek|A]] [[wikipedia:Boston Public|lot]] [[wikipedia:Boston Legal|have]] [[wikipedia:Law and Order|used]] [[wikipedia:CSI: Crime Scene Investigation|it.]] just to name a few. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 18:22, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

== Closed STUFF ==

{{stuffcloseddecline}}

=== A tall, cool glass of STUFF ===
{{stufffact|Homestar mentioning "a tall, cool glass of Mountain Dwa" is a reference to [[other days]], when Strong Bad prompted his motivational-lecture attendees to "make yourself a tall, cool glass of [[piemonade]]."}}
{{stuffverdict|19:05, 16 May 2007 (UTC)|05:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)|overwhelmingly declined|24|2|DNA Evidence}}

== It'll cost ya...==
Anybody think that Marzipan doesn't care that getting the DNA evidence examined costs so much because shedoesn't have armsor legs? Just thought that was possible. {{User:Visorbot 386/sig}} 19:01, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
:Yep. It's even mentioned in the Inside Refs. I thought that line was hilarious, personally. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 19:03, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
::I agree. That was pretty funny--[[User:Brad|Brad]] 21:55, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

==Homer Simpson?==

This is '''really''' stretching it but on to occurences Strong Sad works out something, repeats it with a long "eh". Homer Simpson has done the same thing when he hears something imortant - I dunno it maybe a coincidence [[User:MJN SEIFER|MJN SEIFER]] 21:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

== Hat and Trenchcoat ==

I think that Homestar wearing a hat and trenchcoat while looking for evidence could be a reference to Sherlock Holmes, the fictional detective by the author Arthur Conan Doyle.--[[User:Brad|Brad]] 21:51, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
:I happen to have a hat and trenchcoat. It's a reference to ME! --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 04:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
:I'd say its more of an allusion to Private Investigators and general mystery or noir genre than Sherlock Holmes. The hat and coat aren't really typical [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Estatua_de_Sherlock_Homes_en_Londres.jpg Holmes garb]. {{User:Jeadly/sig}} 19:33, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

== Stage directions in transcript ==

It seems we're paying (neurotically) close attention to placing stage directions at exactly the dialog point at which they occur. I'm all for accuracy, but I'm concerned it makes the transcript harder to read. --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 04:06, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

:A couple questions for clarification: (1) Are you talking about the lines in italics and braces between lines of dialogue? (2) Are you talking about this toon only, or a trend throughout all of the recent transcripts? If yes to both, then I think you bring up a good point, and we should perhaps talk about it at a more prominent location, like [[HRWiki talk:Standards]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:10, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
::(1) Yes. (2) I was referring specifically to this toon, and the later revisions to the transcript that moved these action descriptions to break up lines of dialog. I haven't noticed if it's a trend or not, but I'm all for a standards discussion on the topic. --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 04:23, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

== Thermite ==

Anyone want to point out the fact that termite could be a pun on [[Wikipedia:Thermite|thermite]], an explosive chemical reaction that could certainly be used to down-burn a flight of stairs? [[User:Ppk01|Ppk01]] 15:54, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

==Super Hero Bubs/Coach Z==

Now that Strong Bad, Bubs, and Coach Z have their own super heroes, could this be the sign of another series of toons featuring Strong Badman? The Freedom Champions of the USA (FCUSA). [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 16:02, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

:This sounds like a good topic for the Forum. :) {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 16:08, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

::Have you noticed that the superhero versions of Coach Z and Bubs resemble Deutschman's body (as seen in [[haircut]] easter egg)?

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== Sig ==

Why does your sig link to your talk page and not your user page? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 18:27, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Cause there's nothing entertaining on my user page... yet? {{User:Jeadly/sig}} 18:30, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

User talk:Jeadly

Jeadly — Wed, 16 May 2007 18:30:08 GMT

Jeadly: /* Sig */

Jeadly — Wed, 16 May 2007 16:33:10 GMT

Jeadly: /* Loose end */