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== Eclectricity Question ==

I have an electricity question, TBird. I know you can't put LEDs in series, but can you do bulbs? {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 04:04, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
:Nevermind. Built the circuit. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 02:11, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

== Flashforward ==
Hey T-Bird, did you make the 2/28 Flashforward interview? 'Cause that'd make it easier to transcribe. {{User:LePorello/sig}} 01:35, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
:According to the recently-updated [[Talk:Flashforward_2006_Seattle_-_28_Feb_2006|talk page]], he obtained a press pass in the wiki's behalf. How ''totally cool'' is that? He really isn't under any obligation to transcribe TBC's speech. I'm sure he'll let us know if it's possible. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 05:25, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
::Well I really don't want the page to turn out like [[NYU Talk - 1 Mar 2005|other similar pages]], so I'm gonna make a totally rad and readable writeup of the event [[Flashforward_2006_Seattle_-_28_Feb_2006|here]]. It may take a while, but it's coming. After all, my press pass was on ''behalf'' of the wiki, so I'm somewhat obligated to report and share the experiance with aforementioned wiki. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:43, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

== Not you ==

Sorry 'bout that. I just didn't want anyone impersonating you. I'd hate it if someone was impersonating ''me''. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 02:59, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

:Haha, no problem. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:36, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

== Stinkoman Level ==
Here's the code to that level you wanted. Follow the instructions on [[HRFWiki:Stinkoman 20X6|this page]] to play it. Your mock-up isn't too good, so you'll need to tell me any inconsistancies that you find. I kind of want to get it as close to the original as possible. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 20:21, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
<pre><SO><y>103</y><x>180</x><d>0</d><cT>Ladder</cT><sT>1</sT></SO>
<SO><y>278</y><x>0</x><d>1</d><cT>Platform</cT><sT>4</sT></SO>
<SO><y>278</y><x>129</x><d>2</d><cT>Platform</cT><sT>4</sT></SO>
<SO><y>278</y><x>258</x><d>3</d><cT>Platform</cT><sT>4</sT></SO>
<SO><y>278</y><x>387</x><d>4</d><cT>Platform</cT><sT>4</sT></SO>
<SO><y>278</y><x>516</x><d>5</d><cT>Platform</cT><sT>4</sT></SO>
<SO><addProps><facingDir>left</facingDir></addProps><y>217</y><x>299</x><d>6</d><cT>Enemy</cT><sT>1</sT></SO>
<SO><addProps><facingDir>left</facingDir></addProps><y>278</y><x>441</x><d>7</d><cT>Enemy</cT><sT>2</sT></SO>
<SO><y>127</y><x>180</x><d>8</d><cT>Ladder</cT><sT>1</sT></SO>
<SO><y>100</y><x>203</x><d>9</d><cT>Platform</cT><sT>4</sT></SO>
<SO><y>100</y><x>74</x><d>10</d><cT>Platform</cT><sT>4</sT></SO>
<levelProperties><bkgrdA>1</bkgrdA><playerStartY>255</playerStartY><playerStartX>51</playerStartX><ScrollLockY>true</ScrollLockY><ScrollLockX>true</ScrollLockX></levelProperties>
</pre>

:Just in case you missed it, a third (hopefully final) version of that small custom level is completed and on display on Super Sam's fanstuff talk page. I'd like your feedback on it. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:47, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

==Help again==
I have been blocked again, to see my comment go [[User:BazookaJoe|here]].--[[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 16:52, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

== Please help! ==

Please block Homestar Swimmer when you get the chance! [[User:Beat|Beat]] 16:27, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

:If there is an active vandal, most likely there is a sysop watching recent changes who will block him without prompting. If it continues for a few minutes, add the name to [[HRWiki:WikiTroll|WikiTroll]]. <strike>If that doesn't work, try contacting the most recently active sysop, according to [[Special:Recentchanges|Recent Changes]]</strike>. If that fails, you could also try alerting somebody on the [[HRWiki:IRC channel|IRC]]. If even that fails, and the vandalism continues for more than 10 or 15 minutes, then likely by some bizzare happening there are no sysops here at all. Then you may leave a message on my talk page. But even then, it probably won't do any good, since by the time I log in and see it, most likely another capable sysop will already have logged in, seen the problem, and blocked them. Unless I'm visably active, leaving a message here really doesn't do much. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 22:56, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

::If there are no sysops that are logged in and active but not checking recent changes, it won't do much good to contact any of them. You'll just have to keep reverting until a sysop comes around. They always do eventually. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 23:00, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

:::Good point. Yeah, for all intensive purposes, the best thing is just to revert it and wait for a sysop. Usually you don't have to wait too long. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 23:02, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

::::Sorry Thunderbird L17, that was my first experience with a troll. Please accept my apology. [[User:Beat|Beat]] 00:12, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

:::::Oh no problem. Just a heads up. ;) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:07, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

== Protected subpages ==
I'm not entirely enthusiastic about your protected subpages. I think that it's unfair to normal users.
Just my thoughts. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 18:07, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

:Seriously, I thought I already gave the final word on this topic at [[HRWiki talk:Protected page#Wrong protection]]. There is no need to bring it up again here on Thunderbird's talk page. Please leave him alone. Thanks. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:41, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
::Oh, didn't know that. Sorry, Thunderbird. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 22:52, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

== Just wondering... ==

Hey T-bird. I thought that I might ask you a question. I've seen these a couple times, and what is User:Usernamehere/monobook.css? I noticed a couple users had a page for it, and I wanted to know what it was for. Thanks a bunch! {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 23:09, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

:It changes your specific Wiki display options. You can do all sorts of things with it, FireBird even made his sysop "rollback" button flash. I really don't know much about HOW to make stuff happen though, best I can do is see what users do and copy them. I haven't really gotten around to personalizing them at all much, but I probably will someday. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 23:12, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

::Thanks. Sounds confuzzling. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 23:14, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

:::It is. As another example, it seems as though Tampo's trying to make his new messages bar appear blue. Like I said, customization that effects only the user that implements it. One more thing I forgot to mention, I'm pretty sure that both of those kind of pages on my subpage list can't be edited by fellow users, only the user it belongs to. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 23:18, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

== Sorry if i ask, but i need your help again ==

Hey there thunderbird, how are you, i've been doing great. listen i need to ask you a favour. i just added another single userbox on my list but it doesn't appear on my user page, can you help, please?

also, i've also been adding userboxes on my user page in Wikipedia, but there seriously all over the place, can you help?

see you around. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Pece_Kocovski

[[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 08:33, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

:I fixed your userboxes on Wikipedia; you may want them in a different layout than the tower I put them in (like what I have on my userpage there), but at least now they aren't all over the place. {{User:Granola/sig}} 08:50, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Why thank you Granola, for fixing my user page, even if you didn't ask. i sent you a thank you note on your wiki user page. how do you pronounce your wiki user name? thanks again [[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 09:17, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
:Your welcome. It's pronounced "yell-tin-zik." (I answered it there, but I'm also answering it here, in case HRWikians also want to know...perhaps I should put that on my userpage(s), it occurs to me that no one would have any way of knowing...) {{User:Granola/sig}} 09:41, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

::And as for your userboxes not appearing on your userpage, it was probably because you didn't purge the cashe. When you add a userbox, if you want it to appear right away, go to [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Nikolce_Kocovski&action=purge this link], and then it should appear. Feel free to copy this link and put it somewhere. You can also make this link by pressing edit on your userpage, then replacing "edit" in the url with "purge", and pressing enter. It's the same thing. Hope that helps! {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 15:49, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

==Thanks==
Thanks for reverting [[User:The thing|The thing's]] edit. {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}}

:No problem. Seemed like that was a "user edits only" section. ;) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 02:03, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

== typo ==

In the "roast duck" fact thing the word "then" should be replaced with "than". - [[User:Uglinessman|Uglinessman]] 09:51, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
:Dang, you're right. And mixing those two up is a pet peeve of mine... Thanks! {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 16:53, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

==Image thingy==
[[Image:RebootTurbo.PNG|115px|thumb|left|<tt>[[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird|Thunderbird]][[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>]]
I looked in Firefox and Opera, it looked good there now. How's it to you? ''{image deleted}'' {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:06, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

:It looks a bit small. I suppose that an image wouldn't really line up with the text, since it would depend on your screen resolution and other things, correct? If you'll look on my userpage, the thumb image with the caption "{{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}}"; the arrows from that look pretty close to the same as the arrow from your image. The arrows from my sig are around twice the size, bolder and squarer. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:19, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
:'''EDIT:''' Hang on one sec, I'll upload a screenshot. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:21, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
::'''EDIT EDITED:''' Here's the screenshot:
[[Image:TBird Sig Screenshot.PNG]]
:::Hmm. '''<tt>''{image deleted}''Thunderbird''{image deleted}''</tt>''' It won't underline either... Oh well. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:26, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
::::Thanks for trying though! {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:28, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

:Here's what I see, BTW.

''{image removed}''

::Yeah, I figured something like that. Oh well, back to the drawing board... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:35, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
:::Incidentally, are you guys done with those pictures, or do they need to be marked as personal images? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:11, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
::::Ya, I'm gonna mark mine for deletion. What's the code to do that? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 17:44, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
:::::<nowiki>{{delete|User request}}</nowiki> usually does the job. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::::<nowiki>(shortcut {{d|reason}}).</nowiki> Also, make sure the image isn't linked to from any page first. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:48, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
::::::Ah, 2 {'s! I was using one. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 17:50, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

== hey there Thunderbird L17 ==

how are you. can i ask you something: how did you get the name Thunderbird L17?

[[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 11:47, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

:Check [[User:Thunderbird_L17#About_The_Screen_Name|here]] for all of the shocking answers! :) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 15:49, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

::Oh, the gossip! — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 15:52, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

==The Stairs==

Thunderbird, I am so, so sorry about the rating and stairs pages.
I am known on the bswiki to be a great editor and troll lookout.
I have never vandalized any wiki before. (Unless you count what I just did, but I thought you would be ok with that.) Anyway, I am great at protecting wikis, so could you give me a chance at being an admin to protect the greatest wiki I have ever known?--[[User:Bonusstagefreak|Bonusstagefreak]] 16:55, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

:Don't worry about it. When I first came here I was unsure of the rules for any wiki, and got myself blocked for a day. ;) I hope you turn out to be a great contributor. We don't get new sysops very often, usually less than 10 a year. Becoming a sysop is an admirable goal to work towards, and some general guidelines are written out in the [[HRWiki:FAQ|FAQ]]. We don't get new sysops very often, and being only a sysop, I don't have the power to promote users. I hope that you turn out to be a great user here though, let me know if you have any other questions. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 20:20, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, I can't seem to upload any images! It's driving me insane!--[[User:Bonusstagefreak|Bonusstagefreak]] 22:34, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

See [[HRWiki:Personal images|here]] for the regulations on personal images. To upload an image, there's an option on the sidebar, namely [[Special:Upload|this one]]. Generally use PNG images. If you're still having trouble, let me know. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 22:38, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I know, but whenever I give it the picture and click on "Upload File", It says that the file is corrupted. 
What should I do? I've tried uploading on at least
6 wikis, but everytime it gives me the same thing.--[[User:Bonusstagefreak|Bonusstagefreak/sig]] 22:47, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

:Then most likely the file is corrupted, and it shouldn't be uploaded. It could have a script or virus hidden in it, or it could be the wrong MIME type. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 23:11, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

== [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=274817#Entry_Two Brilliant] ==
I have frankly never seen something so funny. I don't think I have ever laughed harder in my life. You have a wonderful sense of humor, and I hope you pull a stunt like this again. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 01:55, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks. That happened the night before Flashforward, after I had left IRC to get an early night in bed before the big day. I noticed on recent changes Dot com and Tom were doing some kind of username debugging. So instead of going to bed I lurked for a while, after every test username he created, I would add another "journal entry" to corrispond to it. Nice to know my work is appreciated. ;) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 02:22, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

::Oh, it's appreciated. I think that you should make that a fanstuff article. I really do. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 02:29, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

== Annoying Question ==

I know I've been annoying but can you answer this question on [[User talk:DBK|DBK's talk page]]? {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 03:21, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

:Oh I don't mind answering questions ;) I'll see what I can do. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 03:26, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

== Heh ==

Oh, TBird, I thought you might be interested in [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Main_Page_7&curid=1298&diff=286110&oldid=286067 this edit]. I think you may have worked on that project for too long; you're evidently forgetting your Fun Fact categories. :-) {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:28, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

:Hahahaha. Oh man, you're right. Bit of a Freudian slip. :) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 14:19, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

== I got it! ==

I'ts here. Thanks. Sent email. see you later. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 08:47, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

:YAY! {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 14:19, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

==Co-head==
Would you like to be the co-head of the Ex-Vandal committee on the HRFwiki? I am only asking you for now. Please answer as soon as you can.--[[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 07:38, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
:Last chance man. If you want to be the head of this thing then you need to say yes or no like in the next 30 min.--[[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 20:26, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
::I appreciate the offer, but I'm really busy as it is with my personal life and doing all sorts of stuff over at this wiki. Thanks for the offer though. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 00:05, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

== help delete page ==

Hello Thunderbird,
I uploaded a file, but it another version of it already exists. Could you please delete the file that I just uploaded?
I tried to delete it myself, but I wasn't able to do it. If you wish to help, the file is at "http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Image:headbadquote.ogg."
Thanks,
Jecowa
:I did it for you. In the future, you can add this template to a page: <nowiki>{{delete|Reason for deletion}}</nowiki> if you need something deleted. Hope that helps! {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}}

== Spanish ==

For some reason I made a [http://scratchpad.wikicities.com/wiki/Homestar_Runner_Wiki Spanish H*R wiki]. --{{User:The thing/sig}} 00:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

:Do you speak Spanish fluently? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 00:14, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

::No. I used [http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr this]. --{{User:The thing/sig}} 00:15, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

:::I hope I'm not butting in here, but The thing, this is kind of a strange idea. Not only do you not speak Spanish fluently, or perhaps even enough to translate, but Altavista Babelfish is a very unreliable public translator. Can you provide some insight as to what you hope to accomplish with this? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 00:19, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

== Crisis ==

I'm starting to have a beginnig-hrwiki crisis. Meaning I feel like I have nothing to do on the wiki and everything is allready done. {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 03:17, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm... I'll tell you what. You want to create [[Rejected Costumes]] with me? Give me a few minutes and I'll make the base, then you can add some info, following the format from any of the pages on [[Halloween Costumes]]. How does that sound? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 03:23, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

You have no idea how much this means to me. {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 03:31, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
:What Do you mean by "Explanation" {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 04:07, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
::See any of the pages under [[Halloween Costumes]]. Just follow that format and you'll do fine. Basically "explanation" is just a short summary in your own words of the costume they've chosen. Do your best, and when you've done all you can do, take away the template from the top. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:11, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

== Arrow'd! ==

I got you a present! http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/4177/tbirdsig5kv.png It's for all those people who can't see your siggy. {{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}} 04:08, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks, that's bang on to what I see. The problem is that many people see my signature differently, and replacing that in my sig would make it look significantly askew to other users... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:13, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

==Sandbox Reverting==

Yeah, prolly a good idea. {{User:Granola/sig}} 01:38, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

== User:TrendyTotebag ==

Please delete [[User:TrendyTotebag|User:TrendyTotebag]] --{{User:The thing/sig}} 16:42, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
:The Thing, I don't see a TrendyTotebag. {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 17:06, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
::Why exsactly anyway? {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 17:28, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
:::Because the real user is [[User:Trendy Totebag|User:Trendy Totebag]]. --{{User:The thing/sig}} 17:30, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
::::I know but why? {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 17:32, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
:::::Because the TrendyTotebag page was created by a vandal, who then went on to vandalize the real Trendy Totebag's user page. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 17:33, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
::::::Oh, now I understand! Thanks Venusy. {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 17:38, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

==Sysop==
Would you be interested in the position of sysop on my wiki. You really accually don't have to do anything execpt sign on and make a user page. The reason I am asking you this is to make my wiki look presentable. Follow this link and sign on. [http://www.editthis.info/efilms/index.php/Main_Page]--[[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 21:13, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks for the offer, but I really don't have time for another wiki. Any wiki time that I do have I spend here instead. Thanks anyways though. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 23:18, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

==Dude, password==
I likes the "new" wrong password note. I logged in with the wrong password intentionally to see it. It's cool! {{User:LePorello/sig}} 03:15, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

:Haha, that actually wasn't supposed to happen. I was just messing around at a [http://www.editthis.info/thunderbird/index.php/Main_Page personal wiki], and accidentally switched wikis while changing system messages. :) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 03:19, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
::Oh. Well, I left you a message there. {{User:LePorello/sig}} 03:26, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

:::What was the new "wrong password" note? (I tried it after reading this, but it was back to normal). {{User:Granola/sig}} 03:33, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
::::"Dude, try the password again." {{User:LePorello/sig}} 03:35, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
:::::LOL! Why can't it stay that way? {{User:Granola/sig}} 03:37, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

== HP PhotoSmart 315 ==

Hi Thunderbird. Was just going to remark that I have the same exact camera model as you. May I ask if you used ''all three diamonds'' when you took [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Image:Flashforward_TBC.JPG this pic]? I was wondering what other users of that camera preferred to use. And while I'm here, I'd like to ask if you've received a package from me yet. And would it be OK to congratulate a [[User:E.L. Cool|certain someone]] on his recent bundle of ''keychains and more'' from you? Thanks a bunch. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 17:29, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

:Hey man, long time no see! The camera is my parent's, it's around 4 years old, and I rarely use it. I really didn't know much about it, now that you mention the diamond thing, I seem to recall something about it, more diamonds means better quality, or something, right? As for how many I used, I didn't even think to change it or anything, so it really just depends on what the default is. I haven't recieved your package yet, but I'm looking forward to it. And in case you didn't realize, the ''and more'' is the reason why I requested the replacements for myself. ;) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 02:48, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
::Yeah, more diamonds means improved resolution and quality. I just thought I'd ask since it's such an old camera and all— older than the First generation iPod, in fact. I really hope you'll receive the package soon, since it's been a while now. It must due to the geographical distance between us. And yeah, I realized the reason for you needing replacements. =) {{User:The Paper/sig}} 15:44, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
:::ATTN: The Paper Enterprises: It just arrived today. That Magnet is so pro, it's on the magnet board right above the computer now. Thanks so much! {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:33, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

==Bot==
Do you know how to make a bot. I want one for my wiki. [http://www.editthis.info/efilms/index.php/Main_Page]. Also I have changed since last week or so. I am a different person. Just you know FYI.--[[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 05:13, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

:No, I know nothing of such things. Besides, bots are really only useful on larger wikis. Most things can be done by human hands on small wikis. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:35, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
:Oh.--[[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 22:07, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
::Have you seen it though?--[[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 00:33, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
:::I glanced, yes. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:25, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

==Wiki==

Unfortunately, my idea for a Talking Heads wikicity fell through, but I will be creating my own wiki soon. (over the weekend, most likely). It's going to be a wiki version of [http://www.geocities.com/yeltensic/encyclopedia_dandyannica.html?1143434456171 this site I made]. (the rest of this only makes sense if you've already followed the link and then returned) My plan is for the current site to be the "canon" version with real material, and for the wiki to be "based on a true story", so to speak. {{User:Granola/sig}} 01:51, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

It's up and running now:

[http://www.editthis.info/dandypedia/index.php/Main_Page Dandypedia]

{{User:Granola/sig}} 02:42, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

:Thanks. I'm just on my way out, but I'll check it out later. '''<tt>[[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|ŢɦųηɗəřÞìɤɖ]][[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>''' 02:44, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

== Tablage ==

Hey, you commented on how [[Songs]] might benefit from tables. I agree with you, but haven't ever done that before. Can you point me to examples of tables I can kinda go by to make that happen? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:43, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

:[[Floppy Disk Container]] is one. Here's a table you can copy if you wish:

(The stuff at the top is technical stuff, but if you really want to be creative with your table try changing it around a bit. obviously "#eeeeee" means color, and most of those little one digit numbers mean how thick most of the table lines are)
<pre>
{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! Something !! Another Thing !! As Many Things As You Want !! Let's try four this time.
|- id="id_tags_are_optional_but_sometimes_useful"
| Then you can stick something here, maybe an image or whatever. || See the two vertical line break things? Stick them there to seperate the column. || just remember that however many of the breaks you make || Are the same number as the double ! breaks you make first to name the columns.
|- id="id_tags_are_just_used_to_link_to_a_specific_part_of_the_table"
| Remember that after your four (or however many columns you chose), press enter, add a vertical line break, and then a dash, then go enter again. || When starting a new line for your table, you have to start it with a ''single'' vertical line as well, like the single ! you put first when naming your columns to begin with. || || You can even make sections blank, but you still need the right number of double line breaks.
|- id="and_as_a_technical_point_ids_can_not_start_with_a_number"
| <-- Don't forget that line to start your column. || <-- Or that there's the same number of those sets of breaks as there are title columns, in this case four. || [[Image:RebootTurbo.PNG|150px|An Image in a table can't be a thumb or anything]] || Finish off your table with a new line, then...
|} 
</pre>

That all makes...

{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! Something !! Another Thing !! As Many Things As You Want !! Let's try four this time.
|- id="id_tags_are_optional_but_sometimes_useful"
| Then you can stick something here, maybe an image or whatever. || See the two vertical line break things? Stick them there to seperate the column. || just remember that however many of the breaks you make || Are the same number as the double ! breaks you make first to name the columns.
|- id="id_tags_are_just_used_to_link_to_a_specific_part_of_the_table"
| Remember that after your four (or however many columns you chose), press enter, add a vertical line break, and then a dash, then go enter again. || When starting a new line for your table, you have to start it with a ''single'' vertical line as well, like the single ! you put first when naming your columns to begin with. || || You can even make sections blank, but you still need the right number of double line breaks.
|- id="and_as_a_technical_point_ids_can_not_start_with_a_number"
| <-- Don't forget that line to start your column. || <-- Or that there's the same number of those sets of breaks as there are title columns, in this case four. || [[Image:RebootTurbo.PNG|150px|An Image in a table can't be a thumb or anything]] || Finish off your table with a new line, then...
|} 

I hope that helps! There's lots of other technical stuff you can do as well, such as making a table only a certain width, lots of color variations, etc, but if you want a basic table, that's the layout. Once you start a table, users are bound to come over and tweak it a bit later. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 16:48, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
::Beautiful, thanks for the primer! {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:43, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

== Coolness! ==
Your user talk page (and everything else) is now in Trebuchet MS, Just like in JoeyDay's sig. It looks much better this way. — {{User: Seriously/sig}} 14:55, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
==My sig==
STAY AWAY FROM MY Sigg. Wait one sec. HAHAHAHAHA. Nah I am just kidding, but thanks for doing that for me. - {{User:H*bad/sig}}

:Anytime. ;) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:03, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

::As you can tell I am very very happy today for no reason. So I will sound all weird. :) - {{User:H*bad/sig}}

==Resoultion==
You may be interested to know that I can see your page with no problems at 1024x768 screen resoultion. ~'''Linux'''erist [[User:Linuxerist|L]] / [[User_talk:Linuxerist|T]] 07:05, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

:Oh good. I just threw that up there a long time ago, I should probably change that. I just chose those numbers because that's what I use, and it looks good to me. Thinking about it now though, it's probably got a pretty flexible layout, yeah. Thanks, I'll change that a bit later to something fresh. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 07:30, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

==My bro==
Is it ok if my bro makes a user on here. I am telling you this so you guys don't think I am creating sockpuppets or anything. He is wanting the user:lil H*bad by the way.--[[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 22:34, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
:I guess it doesn't matter.--[[User:The cheatman|The cheatman]] 01:01, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

==Seriously==
I don't think that *'s are allowed on here. I don't want to be a tattle tail but he has a lot of them on his page.--[[User:The cheatman|The cheatman]] 01:01, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
:Not here bro. The mighty thunderbird has no power at the fanstuff. So leave him alone.--[[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 01:03, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
::''{This has since been [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=rights&user=&page=User%3AThunderbird+L17 changed]}''

==Moving day==
I am now moving in to this wiki. They don't like me so well at the Fanstuff so I am moving here to the good wiki.--[[User:H*bad|H*bad]] 00:27, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

==What's In a Name. Really==
Hey why do you have your name translated into Spanish, German and Hebrew? Any particualr reasons?
{{User:Raptor5ix/sig}} 00:42, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

:Heh, not really. Just because we have users here that speak [[User:It's dot com|Spanish]], [[User:Heimstern Läufer|German]], and [[User:E.L. Cool|Hebrew]], so I figured why not. You're welcome to add a translation of "Thunderbird", if you know it for Ukranian or something. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:53, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
::"Meh," He tought, "Why not". So here's the closest I can get to it as there is no such thing as a thunderbird in Ukraininan: гримовий птах. BTW don't wanna suck up or anything but SWEET PAGE {{User:Raptor5ix/sig}} 20:53, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
:::Thanks man, that's totally being added. is гримовий "Thunder", and "птах" Bird? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 20:55, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

== I left... ==

... something in the Sandbox... {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:01, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

"I left something in the Sandbox". Heh, that's gotta be one of the funniest quotes of yours I've ever heard. But yeah, that would be a decent alternative. Perhaps propose a revision at Elcool's STUFF page. I'm just waiting for them to decide it's fate. :) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 22:05, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

<div style="float: left; border:solid #F00 1px; margin: 1px;">
{| cellspacing="0" style="width: 238px; background: #FFF;"
| style="width: 45px; height: 45px; background: #F00; text-align: center; font-size: 14pt; color: #FFF" | [[Image:Mapleleaf.png|43px]]
| style="font-size:8pt;padding:4pt;line-height:1.25em;" class="plainlinks" | This user is a '''[[Wikipedia:Canada|Canadian]]'''.
|}
</div>

Since mean ole Dot Com busted the party ;) {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:18, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

:I realize I was the party pooper, but we shouldn't encourage voting on personal things or use STUFF elements outside STUFF pages. I like the userbox, though. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:21, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

::Oh, I understand, hence the winky. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:22, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

:::Thanks for the revision though, Qermaq. I'm gonna go change it right now. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 22:31, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

::::Mind If I use this for my page? No, okay thanks (lol) {{User:Raptor5ix/sig}} 00:31, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

:::::I came up with the original, but Qermaq added the image for me. In any case, go right ahead. Fair trade for your translation skills. ;) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 00:43, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

== Canada? ==

You live in Canada? What is it like there? Do you ever eat interesting foods, like... back bacon? Did you perhaps learn a second language, like French? Or have a pet... walrus? In any case, nice to meet you Canuck. {{unsigned|Qermaq|00:10, 11 April 2006}}

:Yes I do live in Canada. It's cold up here in the winter. I eat back bacon on occasion, but usually I prefer normal bacon. I probably should have learned a second language, but didn't. I used to have a few pets, Dogs, cats, rabbits, but currently I have none. Nice to meet you too, [[User:Qermaq|Qermaq]]. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:14, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

::Oh, ho! I was indeed nice to meet you, Poopaw! {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:24, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
==autograph?==
:Woah, you got an autograph from Matt and Mike? Lucky! Man... I ''live'' in Seattle, and yet I didn't go to Flashfoward! {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 04:38, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
::Heh, well it would have been pricey for you anyways. Upwards of... several hundred dollars. There'll probably be another chance for you sometime though. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 07:21, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

== Contents Question==
Is it possible to get a contents for your user page? I see that you got one in this user talk but when I went to see what you put in to get one of em the only thing I saw seperating the "⇔Thunversations⇔" from this part of the conversation page was a in caps message about not editing above this line or haveing to face the rath of some undetermined fate. So I look all over everywhere I can't find anything in there that let's you have a contents box though I did realize that the URL is different. Am I overlooking something, Is the Box supplied when you get a long enough page, Are some pages just equiped with this from the begining? When I held my mouse over the hide / show button it reads "javascript:toggleToc()" and I know what javascript is. Whenever i go to edit something I look at where the contents are and... it pulls a Houdini.... upon hiting the "Show preview" thing It includes this in the contents. If you don't mind clearing this up for my that would be appriciated.

:The top line regarding Thundery rath and all that, is just to protect my Talk archives navigation template, so you can go from month to month of old conversations. The reason my userpage does not have a table of contents, is simple. If you look at the very bottom of the code (by clicking "edit" but not saving it) I put at the bottom a little <nowiki>"__NOTOC__"</nowiki>. What that does, is prevents a table of contents from appearing. "Don't ask me why I did it... Because I already forgot." Now whether they appear or not, is somewhere under your personal preferences, the same place you set your sig, etc. You choose in your personal settings to display Tables of Contents or not. If you choose to show them, then once a page gets more than three headers (A header is defined by a little edit tag so you can edit the sub section), then it will display a table of contents for you. Putting <nowiki>"__TOC__", "__NOTOC__" or "__FORCETOC__"</nowiki> on a page will override your preferences. The first one will make the TOC appear after a page has three headings (regardless of what you have selected in your preferences), the second one will not allow the TOC to appear, and the third one will cause a TOC to appear on the page even when there's less than three headings. Some of these are used on pages around the wiki, for instance you'll notice [[H*R.com updates 2005|The updates pages]] shouldn't have tables of contents whether it's selected under preferences for you or not. Since that page has so many headings, a TOC would be very long, therefore we use <nowiki>__NOTOC__</nowiki>. But whether they appear or not, they're automatically generated, you won't see a code for them or anything. I hope that answers your question Yoshi, let me know if you have any others. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 07:45, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

::To clarify: normally a page will automatically get a TOC just before the first heading if there are ''more than 3'' headings on the page (provided it's turned on in [[Special:Preferences|your prefs]]). <code><nowiki>__NOTOC__</nowiki></code> forces there to be no TOC, <code><nowiki>__FORCETOC__</nowiki></code> forces there to be a TOC, and <code><nowiki>__TOC__</nowiki></code> forces there to be a TOC ''and'' moves the TOC to where you wrote <code><nowiki>__TOC__</nowiki></code> (instead of the normal place, between the opening text and the first heading). This lets you do fancy things, like <code><nowiki><div style="float:right">__TOC__</div></nowiki></code> to get a floating TOC (like on my talk page). On a tangent, is a similar tag, <code><nowiki>__NOEDITSECTION__</nowiki></code>, which stops the [edit] links from appearing next to the headers. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:56, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

== Happy easter ==

hello thunderbird l17, how are you, how is easter (If you celebrate it?)?

Anything happen to you?

[[User:Nikolce Kocovski|Nikolce Kocovski]] 01:58, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

:Hi Nikolce. Though I don't actually celebrate Easter, I do observe something similar, and I appreciate the sentiment. Not much has happened lately, except that I've been looking after somebody's house and dog while they're in Italy. Talk to you later, {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 02:14, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

== NYU Talk ==

I noticed NYU Talk on your unfinished jobs. I have the DVD of it as was planning on doing it. You want to do it together? {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 21:57, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

:Actually, I've been planning on getting around to it, but I'm still gonna be pretty busy for the next few days. What I was planning, was instead of trying to transcribe the whole thing, summarize it in the same fashion as the Flashforward page. Not only is that easier to write, as you can listen to a minute of it and then summarize without going over it repeatedly, but I find it's also an easier read than a terribly long mega-page. If you want to try and get some done in that way, go ahead. I'll also try and get it done sometime later, and I'm sure various users would go over what you write and fix any spelling or grammatical errors. That's what they did for me. :) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 22:54, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
::Good Idea. Can I do it with you? {{User:Dacheatbot/sig}} 23:01, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
:::Sure. You can start working on it, if I have time I'll try to get some done too. And of course I and other users will probably try to help out a bit too, once you get the ball rolling. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 05:19, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

==Personal Images==
''{In reply to a note left on [[User talk:Wiki grrl|Wiki grrl's talk page]] regarding excess personal images}''
:::::::::::::I decide to abandon the first one. Thankyou for helping me!

[[User:Wiki grrl|Wiki grrl]]

== Personal Image ==

If it wouldn't be too much of a hassle for you, you could update the small homsar image with C Sours' image of homsar in motion, since this is the image in my sig right now. If it's too much trouble for you, you can just delete it. Thanks.--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 00:06, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

:It'll be done by tomorrow. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 20:16, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

== Excess images. ==

Nice work, man. You and Phlip. I'm sure you guys are having the time fo your life. I'm in school, so I can't help you there, but keep on tranglin'! {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:43, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

:All told, we managed to [[:Template:notorphan|tag]] around 25 images as ''[[:Category:Non-standard linked images|Non-standard linked images]]'', and clear out around 180 long abandoned, duplicate, incorrectly formatted, or otherwise unusable images. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 20:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

== Guitar ==

Hey, just so you know (though I'm sure you already do), I uploaded the guitar image for you folks again. Have some good times with it! - [[User:Jweb Guru|Jweb Guru]] 15:17, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

File:Ibanez Artcore (Guitar).jpg

Jweb Guru — Sat, 29 Apr 2006 15:13:35 GMT

Jweb Guru: For the people! {{personal-image|Jweb Guru}}

For the people!

{{personal-image|Jweb Guru}}

Template:Stinkoman 20X6

Jweb Guru — Sat, 25 Mar 2006 18:02:16 GMT

Jweb Guru: Painful solution, but should validate.

Template:KingofTownDVD

Jweb Guru — Sat, 25 Mar 2006 17:48:51 GMT

Jweb Guru: Um, I'm assuming this has a purpose in adding this back.

<div id="navbox" style="margin: 0 auto 0 auto; padding: 0.2em; background:#DC143C;text-align:center;max-width:365px">
 [[The King of Town DVD]]
<ul style="margin:0">
<li style="display:inline;padding-right:0.5em;border-right:1px solid black">[[The King of Town DVD New Version|New Version]]</li>
<li style="display:inline;padding:0 0.5em;border-right:1px solid black">[[The King of Town DVD Old Version|Old Version]]</li>
<li style="display:inline;padding:0 0.5em;border-right:1px solid black">[[The King of Town DVD Commentary|Commentary]]</li>
<li style="display:inline;padding-left:0.5em">[[The King of Town DVD Storyboards|Storyboards]]</li>
</ul>
</div>
<noinclude>[[Category:Navigation Templates|K]]</noinclude>

Template:KingofTownDVD

Jweb Guru — Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:31:43 GMT

Jweb Guru: Validation.

<div id="navbox" style="margin: 0 auto 0 auto; padding: 0.2em; background:#DC143C;text-align:center;max-width:365px">
 [[The King of Town DVD]]
<ul style="margin:0">
<li style="display:inline;padding-right:0.5em;border-right:1px solid black">[[The King of Town DVD New Version|New Version]]</li>
<li style="display:inline;padding:0 0.5em;border-right:1px solid black">[[The King of Town DVD Old Version|Old Version]]</li>
<li style="display:inline;padding:0 0.5em;border-right:1px solid black">[[The King of Town DVD Commentary|Commentary]]</li>
<li style="display:inline;padding-left:0.5em">[[The King of Town DVD Storyboards|Storyboards]]</li>
</ul>
</div>
<noinclude>[[Category:Navigation Templates|K]]</noinclude>

Flashforward 2006 Seattle - 28 Feb 2006

Jweb Guru — Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:39:44 GMT

Jweb Guru: /* Music and Video - 4:25 pm */ Correcting bullet.

[[Image:Flashforward 2006 Seattle logo.PNG|thumb|300px|Flashforward 2006 Seattle Logo]]

==Introduction==
From the Flashforward web site:

<blockquote>Take a step back in time as Mike and Matt Chapman show how they still use Flash® 5 to make the weekly cartoons featured on HomestarRunner.com. Learn the secrets and not-so-secrets of making a 3-5 minute cartoon every week. Hear abour their six years on the web, watch some of their stuff, and learn how they've managed to make a living doing something they like.</blockquote>

[[The Brothers Chaps]] appeared at '''Flashforward 2006,''' a conference for Flash designers and developers, on February 28, 2006, in Seattle, Washington. They conducted a session called "How and Why [[Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)|Homestar Runner]] Cartoons Get Made" in Room 6B from 3:45 p.m. to 5:00 p.m. [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] was generously given a media pass from the people at Flashforward to cover the event on behalf of the wiki.

==The Presentation==

===Introductions - 3:45 p.m.===

[[Image:Flashforward Convention.JPG|thumb|The presentation]]The presentation was hosted by [[Mike Chapman|Mike]] and [[Matt Chapman]]. While booting up their laptop, one could glimpse "3726 unread emails" on Matt's user profile. After setting up and introducing themselves, they announced that they had each brought a [[Wikipedia:Nintendo DS|Nintendo DS]], and had started a [[Wikipedia:PictoChat|PictoChat]] which they would carry on intermittently throughout the presentation. Before long two members of the audience had joined the conversation. Matt then showed what he had been working on during they keynote address: A humorous sketch of Mike and two gorillas. After explaining that they were Flash animators for their website, [[Homestar Runner (flash cartoon)|Homestarrunner.com]], they showed a sample of their work: [[virus]].

===Early History - 3:50 p.m.===

First they began with the site history, showing the early progression of the site.
*Stills from the [[Original Book]], and related the history of making the book during the Olympics of August 1996.
*A clip from the next thing they had made, [[Super NES]].
*A clip of a toon they made to teach themselves Flash: [[Marshmallow's Last Stand]]. They froze this clip and pointed out various animation problems, such as the jagged edges and inconsistent colors.
*A clip from the beginning of [[The Luau]]; from 2001. Mike commented on stealing the lens flair idea from ''[[Wikipedia:The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask|The Legend of Zelda: Majora's Mask]]'', and pointed out the bottom edge of the cube of Tofu disappearing early.
*In late 2001 they started the [[Strong Bad Emails]], along with the original intention of replying to every email in character, and animating a select email each week. That plan was quickly abandoned, but they did decide to start making a Strong Bad Email weekly around January 2002. They then showed a favorite clip of theirs, the love song from [[montage]]. They generally consider early 2002 being the point where their animation reached a "style plateau".

===Samples of Styles - 3:55 p.m.===

They went on to relate how the website is kept creatively interesting, through various animation styles. They showed stills from the different styles, namely:
*[[Teen Girl Squad]] - A badly drawn comic book about four teenage girls.
*[[The Cheat Commandos]] - A play on [[Wikipedia:G.I. Joe|G.I. Joe]] and [[Wikipedia:Transformers|Transformers]], with [[Wikipedia:Adobe Photoshop|Photoshopped]], grainy backgrounds and hairline strokes around the characters.
*[[20X6]] - The anime version of [[Strong Bad]], akin to a [[Wikipedia:Speed Racer|Speed Racer]] or [[Wikipedia:Robotech|Robotech]] style.
*[[Old-Timey]] - Their earliest alternate style, which was originally intended to make a fake mythology for the site. This was described as a spoof of [[Wikipedia:Steamboat Willie|Steamboat Willie]], from 1933.
*[[Saddy Dumpington]] - A character [[Strong Sad]] made up, drawn in a watercolor style.
Because they are self-employed and thus don't answer to a boss, creatively they are able to do really whatever they want, such as a "bad heavy metal song"; they can do it and call it Homestar Runner.

===More History, The Store, and Related Topics - 4:00 p.m.===

They then returned to their history of the website, starting in 2001.
*In 2001 they began selling T-shirts.
*In August of 2003 Matt quit his job at EarthLink, and began working on the site fulltime. Earlier Matt had gone on the EarthLink website, and found a page that still featured many of his images he had made for the company, such as a calculator and a wad of money.
They also mentioned the [[Store]], and how they sell products such as CDs, DVDs, Figurines and T-shirts. They try to keep the store a separate entity, without ramming it down visitors' throats. They recalled, with distaste, sites that would play an ad to buy some crap, and another ad after that would link you directly to the store. Their method of building their business ended up building a fan base first out of their own pocket, and then introducing merchandise, which they admit isn't traditionally a good business model. They mentioned that they now live in different houses, with wives, instead of in their parents' basement, as some may believe. They showed a still from the [[Pulse Interview - May 2004|2004 Pulse Interview]]; which was them pixilated wearing fake mustaches, posing as the [[Videlectrix]] programmers. They also mentioned that they still do all of their animation in Flash 5, and began relating the process of creating a cartoon.

===Pre-animation Process - 4:05 p.m.===

After being momentarily distracted by the continuing Nintendo DS chatroom, they began relating the process of creating a cartoon, "which will just piss you off even more that this is what we do for a living". When they first started creating weekly cartoons they both still had full time jobs, and therefore created the entire cartoons sometimes after watching the Falcons game in its entirety at 2:00 pm Sunday afternoon. Nowadays a typical four minute cartoon takes the entire week, with animation taking place during the last three or four days.
*Mondays or Tuesdays they begin looking through submitted Strong Bad emails; it sometimes takes four or five hours to find a usable email. They also showcased 5 different groups of emails that would most likely not be answered:
**[[How Do You Type With Boxing Gloves On?|How do you type with boxing gloves on?]]
**What do you look like without your mask?
**What do your parents look like?
**Redoing a favorite email, usually redrawing a [[dragon]].
**Referencing current events. In this case they showcased emails concerning the Olympics, but they also mentioned emails regarding [[Wikipedia:Spider-Man (film)|Spider-Man]], [[Wikipedia:The Matrix series|The Matrix]], and [[Wikipedia:The Lord of the Rings|The Lord of the Rings]] during their respective releases.
*They then demonstrated their brainstorming process using two small foam balls. Matt laid on the floor and threw a half-size basketball up in the air, suggesting, "So Strong Bad's going to be in like a [[Cardboard Boxes|box]], a cardboard box. That The Cheat peed in." Mike agreed with him throughout this ("Okay, okay, I like it"), then threw his foam baseball at him. They also mentioned that they have been in their office for around two years, and vacuumed it for the first time three weeks ago, so laying on the floor is much nicer now.
*In addition to brainstorming, they also wander around their neighborhood (and the depressing adult diaper and hearing aid stores found in the strip mall their offices are in) searching for inspiration.
*After they have an idea of what the cartoon will be about, they usually write separately. After their writing is done they will compare their scripts, and merge them using the best ideas. According to Mike, his writing is usually better. They once again referred to their continuing Nintendo DS conversation, saying that one person said they were giving "too much info".
*Next is recording the sound, which is done using a fairly soundproof sound room and an audio mobile USB pre-amp with an XLR mic running into it. It used to be Matt just sitting at the computer holding an old Super H film microphone or something, never a system mike. This resulted in numerous background noises, such as Matt's hand moving around, the hum of the computer fan, or Mike doing dishes in the background. In the later days Matt draped a blanket over his head and the mike to minimize background noises.

===Animation Process - 4:10 pm===

Matt mentioned a little intro cartoon that they made for "the Festival"; Mike corrected that it was a convention (festivals are more fun). They showed a still of the end of the intro toon, and explained Easter eggs, and how they are the extent of the action script that they use. According to Matt: "So we made a little intro, so anyways we're gonna put on the site, uh, later on this week..." To date, the intro still has not materialized. Then they began to demonstrate the animation process, by adding an [[Easter eggs|Easter egg]] to the end of the finished toon.
*The Easter egg is a scene of Homestar Runner and Strong Bad crouched down behind a podium labeled "Podium Excellens". Homestar says to Strong Bad "Strong Bad, I think the elevator's broke."
*[[Image:Flashforward Desktop.JPG|thumb|Matt Chapman's Desktop]]They began by recording the line using the old method of Matt wearing a blanket over his head, and speaking Homestar's line into the mic. Matt also pointed out his laptop's background, which is a screenshot of the [http://www.sq7.org/omnipedia/index.php/Deltaur Deltaur] from [[Wikipedia:Space Quest#Space Quest I: The Sarien Encounter (Original: 1986/ Remake: 1991)|Spacequest 1]], another 1980's era video game.
*After revealing that he doesn't label any of his Flash layers, Mike demonstrated lip-synching the toon. Mike first mixes up Homestar and Strong Bad, then clarifies that ''Homestar's head'' is 3 frames, which gives three different facial expressions to work with. Mike would layer the sound down first, then click on various points of the audio. In Flash 5, this plays a microsecond of the audio, which gives them an indication of what mouth layer to cut and paste into that point. This is one of the reasons they continue to use Flash 5. At least MX 04 does not play a short sound from the point in the audio. They did challenge anybody to make Flash 8 look and act exactly like Flash 5, and they would gladly switch over. Lip-syncing the entire scene only took a few minutes to complete.
*They also talked about the design of the characters, and how they are easy to animate. Although they didn't originally design their characters with animating in Flash in mind, they lucked out that many of their characters don't have arms or legs, and none of their characters are overly complex. That's just how they generally draw and design.
*Then also talked about the technical aspects of their animation. They have always animated at 12 frames per second, in a 550 x 400 window, because both of those options were the Flash 5 defaults.
*They also demonstrated "doinking", by making Homestar flinch at certain stresses of the sentence.
*They demonstrated Strong Bad's Mask design, and how they can easily turn his head just by moving the mask and having it cut off at the edge of his head.
*They also briefly explained that they storyboard their toons, then opened the floor to audience questions.

===Graphics and the Wiki - 4:20 pm===
====Who does all the voices?====
:'''Matt:''' I doos all the voices. Except for [[Marzipan]], the girl character, which is Mike's wife [[Missy Palmer|Melissa]].
:'''Mike:''' Today's our second wedding anniversary, and I'm here.
:'''Matt:''' She's at home, and pregnant. ''{sarcastically}'' Husband of the year...
:'''Mike:''' I did remember to send her flowers.
*After that first question, Mike went on to talk about something he meant to cover earlier, their drawing. They draw everything in Flash, using drawing tools and a [[Wikipedia:Wacom|Wacom tablet]]. Mike first learned with [[Wikipedia:Adobe Illustrator|Adobe Illustrator]], and by the time Flash 5 came out Mike was comfortable using program drawing tools. They generally try to always break the lines apart, which doesn't leave a rounded edge and allows you to vary the line width. Mike began to demonstrate his artistic skills by drawing something in Flash 5.
*Mike carried on talking about early Flash animations, and how everything ''looked'' like it was drawn in Flash, with gradients everywhere, line tools running into each other, and for that reason they shied away from drawing stuff in Flash, either by tracing in bitmap or scanning it in. Nowadays they are comfortable enough with drawing things in Flash without it looking like it's drawn in Flash. At this point Matt identifies Mike's drawing as a piece of toast.
*They were again sidetracked by the continuing PictoChat conversation, pointing out a drawing of Mike saying "harrump" that somebody drew on the DS.
*Mike went on to clarify the process of making a new toon, that while he records the voices Mike will generally draw any new graphics that are needed for that email or cartoon. Once Matt is done recording, Mike is generally done the graphics, they split up the scenes, work towards the middle, and finish up by 5 am Sunday night.

====What part of creating a toon is the most fun? - Green Shirt====
*Matt explains that early writing is always hard, sometimes throwing a baseball against a wall for hours on end with no good ideas. Then usually a walk around the "creepy depressing shopping mall" their offices are at and seeing a guy at the adult diaper store, gives them inspiration of what should happen in the toon. That initial flood of creativity is generally the most fun part of the animation process. He also mentions that not speaking for sometimes 18 hours straight with headphones on as they animate things such as the text and Strong Bad's head in a Strong Bad Email gets redundant at times, but they still enjoy it somewhat. He reiterates that the initial sparks of writing ideas are always the most fun. Sometimes in the last three hours of animating a cartoon, they will come up with something else and completely rewrite it.
*Matt also explains that there isn't a whole lot of quality control. They watch the toon a couple times, tweak small parts and cut out others, and then put it right up on the website. Generally they finish the day they should be uploading the toon.
*At this point Mike chips in that he enjoys drawing toast more, as he puts the finishing touches on his toast graphic. Matt comments on the toast, that it looks a bit thin, like [[Wikipedia:Pepperidge Farm|Pepperidge Farm]] toast. Mike mentions that sometimes he'll spend hours just tweaking graphics, likening it to peeling dried glue off the nub of a thing of glue, describing it as "very therapeutic". Mike mentions that "no one would ever be able to see this", and Matt suggests "Somebody... I don't know, maybe you should look at the..."

=====The Homestar Runner Wiki=====
'''Matt:''' That's another thing, is that when we're animating, um, we have another resource that we have absolutely nothing to do with, something that's totally fan driven, it's awesome, the Homestar Runner Wiki, uh, that appeared, one day, and it's so exhaustive, it's wonderful. Mike and I, like we don't—we never figured out what the hell a shared library is or how to use it and so we will go, uh, you know "this one has Strong Bad sitting on a couch," so we have be like, "all right, which one has him on a couch," and we'd have to go back and figure it out, but now we have the Homestar Wiki and we just go on and write "couch" or "orange couch" and it brings up like five emails that have Strong Bad on the couch. ''{audience laughter}'' And so, it's pretty great. It's very, very, uh, it's extremely all-inclusive and sometimes scary. There are pictures of friends that we had never seen on there and they're like, ''{imitates wiki user voice}'' "Oh, and this is their best friend!" ''{slight pause, now with a questioning tone}'' How, did you—are these people in our house taking pictures of our friends?

===Music and Video - 4:25 pm===
At this point Mike takes stock of the time, and mentions another factor that adds to the time needed to create an email, the music.
*Almost every cartoon has one piece of original music, which is usually done in either ''audition'' or ''garage band'', often with their Casio keyboard.
*At this point Mike finishes drawing his piece of toast, mentioning that this is usually at four in the morning when Mike finishes his graphic.
*Matt mentions that they also have puppet versions of some of their characters, which they sometimes do small skits or musical things with. They generally try to keep the videos short, put them into a tiny window, and compress them using a newer version of Flash. They try to keep their files at around one Megabyte, which helps to keep their bandwidth costs consistent. They also demonstrated their compressed video files, by showing a clip of [[death metal]]: "the half hour death metal dungeon hour".
*Mike mentioned that Matt is an award winning stop motion claymation animator, from a [[1987]] international media festival in 7th grade. Matt clarified that they may have been stretching on it being international; that one kid maybe having an aunt from Canada was as international as it got.
*Matt also mentioned that doing stuff like the death metal hour, putting on dumb heavy metal wigs and speaking in Swedish accents helps them branch out.
*They also mentioned the DVDs, how they came from fan demand of people wanting to watch them on a larger screen or over at a friend's house, and not limited to a computer. They use Flash AM's SWF to AVI to convert to the DVD, without having to worry about any formatting. Then they extrapolate the frame rate to twentynine-nine or whatever the video standard is, and hand it over to [[Ryan Sterritt]] to finish up with the DVD magic.
*Mike mentions that they made the decision to hire their friend Ryan, make him learn the Flash-to-broadcast conversion, having somebody in house who can do all stuff keeps them from having to go to somebody outside and being charged an arm and a leg.

===Games - 4:30 pm===
[[Image:Flashforward Stinkoman Level.PNG|thumb|TBC's sample 20X6 level]]
*Mike also began talking about the numerous games on the site, namely [[Stinkoman 20X6]]. He described how he used to just get a Flash book, find a sample of a Flash game, and just change the graphics, which resulted in ''really crappy'' Flash-based games.
*Eventually they were contacted by [[Jonathan Howe]] from [[Wikipedia:Boston, Massachusetts|Boston]] via email, who said "hey, I noticed that your games suck. I like your website, and I would like to make your games better". After showing them some samples, they decided to collaborate with him on [[TROGDOR!]], and subsequently several other games.
*They talked in detail about Stinkoman 20X6, which is a [[Wikipedia:Mega Man|Mega Man]] type game based on the character of [[Stinkoman]]. They wanted to have a lot of input in the game without having to stand over Jonathan's shoulder, and finally got him to make a level editor for them using Flash. They demonstrated this by creating the pictured level.
:*Demonstrated choosing character.
:*Made ground and platform.
:*Added [[Stinkoman 20X6 Enemies and Items#chorch|Chorch]] (at Mike's suggestion).
:*Added [[Stinkoman 20X6 Enemies and Items#stobat|Stobat]], the large bone throwing chicken.
:*Added ladder (also at Mike's suggestion).
*As Matt booted up the level, Mike explained that they made most of the graphics for the games pixely in [[Wikipedia:Adobe Photoshop|Photoshop]], then import them into Flash, as there isn't a way to create pixely graphics in Flash that they know of.
*Matt then proceeded to demonstrate the game by playing the level, easily defeating the Chorch (which was stuck in place) and Stobat, and exploring to the edge of the map.
*'''Mike:''' What's up that ladder?
*'''Matt:''' I dunno Mike, let's find out.
*They explained that for the early games they would have to send them back and forth, with Jonathan changing things with his action script magic, their critiquing it, Jonathan changing more things, etc. Matt also mentioned that with Jonathan's object library with all the level elements, his action script, and his XML files, it's way more technical than what they know.
*At this point Mike added that the orange stretch bracelets that come with the admission package to Flashforward smell really funny, and almost knocked him out. After that, they invited the audience to ask any more questions.

===More Questions & Answers - 4:35 pm===
====Did you do the 3D menus on the DVDs yourself?====
*The answer is a strong ''no''. They were contacted by some people who work for a company called "[http://www.uvphactory.com/index.php UV Phactory]" in [[Wikipedia:New York City|New York]], who sent them a short sample of something they did with Homestar and Strong Bad in 3D. The Brothers Chaps decided to hire them for the DVD menus, and sent them a Flash animation of what they wanted to happen.

====Can you play the cartoon you made for the Flashforward conference?====
*They agreed, and after some technical difficulties, showed the [[Flashforward Intro]] toon.
*After the toon they explained that the PowerPoint slides shown in the toon was based on Mike's old job at [http://www.decisionquest.com/ Decision Quest] (which sounds like a magical place, but really isn't), as he made pie charts and graphs, and tried to make them fun. Matt related an anecdote where Mike had to make a chart based on Lady Justice with the scales. Mike had one side of the scales hold words like "Justice: Good thing. Family"; and the other side with things like "Evil, breaking the law, etc". Apparently a lawyer really used this visual aid in his case.

====Where do you see yourself in five years?====
*They mentioned that they would like to return to [[Wikipedia:Seattle, Washington|Seattle]] eventually, or see the [[Wikipedia:Grand Canyon|Grand Canyon]]. Five years ago they would never have guessed they would be doing Homestar Runner for a living, and they explained that they don't usually look too far ahead into the future. Matt offered the insight that "Having no plan and low expectations always makes the future look brighter". They don't usually look further ahead than the following Monday, with the exception of the [[Games]] which take several months of preparation; and Homestar Runner's 10th anniversary, which was coming up in around 6 months from then, in August of 2006.
*Matt also mentioned that while doing Homestar Runner, they have met many cool people from the Flash and entertainment industries. He mentioned that they had got an email from somebody asking if they wanted to direct a commercial of some kind. He wasn't sure if it was a car lot or something, but mentioned that a local car lot would be even better. Matt has been to film school, and they've both grown up making dumb movies, so they have other ideas they might explore one day. Mike clarified that they might still be doing Homestar with other stuff mixed in in the future.

====A question about the Podcasts. - Red Touque====
*Mike explained that a few weeks ago they began a feature called [[Podstar Runner]], putting five or six Strong Bad Emails up for download to your [[Wikipedia:IPod#Fifth generation|video iPod]]. He mentioned that [[Wikipedia:Apple Computer|Apple]] linked to them, and they even went to number one download at one point. However in making the download available for the iPod, the files become way bigger, from 1 Megabyte to upwards of 10 Megabytes. Yesterday they had taken down the backlog of downloads and only make them available one at a time in order to keep their bandwidths cost steady while they figure out if there is an alternative to the high bandwidth cost.
*Matt added that being on the iPod store seems like good exposure in terms of getting new fans, but they have to first see if those people are buying T-shirts or not, and if they can justify paying that much for bandwidth. Matt was also surprised that they managed to beat [[Wikipedia:The Onion|The Onion]] and [[Wikipedia:The Ricky Gervais Show|The Ricky Gervais Show]], which he never thought they would do, and which was pretty awesome. They asked offhand if anyone had any bright ideas or free bandwidth to throw their way. An audience member called out asking if they would be around afterwards, they replied that they would if free bandwidth would be around.
*Mike related a funny story related to bandwidth. In Janury of 2003 the site actually shut down due to bandwidth issues. For three years previous they had been on [[Wikipedia:Yahoo!|Yahoo!]] shared hosting for $30 a month, and supposedly never went over their 20 Gigabyte bandwidth limit. Eventually realized they were doing several Terrabytes of transfer, and still just being charged $30 a month. As it turned out, some people at Yahoo were fans and were just letting it slide. After their site went down, some fans contacted them and offered them bandwidth services. They shopped around, and realized these people were offering around $1 less per Gigabyte of transfer than anywhere else.

====Who are the bandwidth providers?====
*They're called [http://www.sagonet.com/ Sagonet], and they're based out of [[Wikipedia:Tampa Bay|Tampa Bay]], [[Wikipedia:Florida|Florida]]. They're a small outfit, but they can be called at 3:00 in the morning on Sunday with a problem, and they will fix it. The company bought an old Haverdeen down there, painted it green, and put a data center inside. Matt remarked that this setup goes along perfectly with The Brother's Chaps' working in a depressing shopping center.

====Why do people love your site and characters so much? - Rainbow Touque====
*Mike explained that was a hard question to answer. They mentioned several possible reasons: It's funny stuff, good quality, free, without ads, and without affiliations to other things. Matt added that they've always just tried to do what they think is funny, and what their friends think is funny. They often ask if [[Craig Zobel|Craig]] thinks it's funny, and if he does they put it on there. As it turns out, it seems the fans are all like Craig.
*There were times they would consider trying to please the fans more consciously, and they would always back off from that, since concentrating on fan demand can mess it up. They mentioned that they often get emails from the younger fans when they make the [[Old-Timey]] cartoons, not to make them anymore. They mentally respond with "well Craig likes them".
*They mentioned that they were at a local Seattle diner the other day, and on the ceiling of the booth next to them they noticed a spiral pinwheel of [[Trogdor]]'s beefy arms printed out and glued to the ceiling. Matt suggested offhand that they should have gone to a tattoo parlor and gotten tattoos of spiral Trogdor beefy arms.
*Matt also mentioned that they have a [[Weekly Fanstuff|fanstuff]] section of the website where they put up things people send to them. They originally assumed the flow of fanstuff would taper off, but they still get things from fans, which is really cool.
*Mike changed the subject to what ''isn't fun'': Having to animate the text and Strong Bad's head wiggling around at the start of the Strong Bad Email. It's all done in movie clips, which means they have to individually go into each one. The bane of their existence is sitting there for four hours at 3:00 in the morning on Sunday, making Strong Bad's head shake around.
*Matt mentioned that they actually talked to Jonathan Howe about making Flash look at and talk to a wave form, so that when his voice peaked his head would move up so that they could totally automate that part of the email and cut straight to the regular part of the animation. He didn't have any luck thus far, but Matt mentioned that would be one of their suggestions for the next Flash version. Mike mentioned sarcastically that they should look into Flex or Apollo, then realized that not many people knew what those thing were. He also mentioned that he knew he was out of his league, but he didn't know just how far out of his league until the Keynote address.

====What's your favorite cartoon?====
*Mike mentioned that his favorite toon was [[kids' book]], which was fun for them to make their own kids' book, and then draw all over it. A lot of the toons he likes are the ones that were fun to make; he also mentioned he liked the death metal stop animation movie, just because they were able to make a death metal song.
*Matt mentioned that his favorite toon was [[personal favorites]], since it starts to look as though it's going to be a clip show, until Strong Bad begins making up emails that didn't happen. It created all this confusion with people emailing them about where these shown emails are, and Matt mentioned that he loved the confusion it caused. Mike chipped in that by asking "where is the email where they get drunk on soy sauce", you're missing the joke.

====Can you entertain the audience with a conversation between the characters?====
*Matt replied with a conversation between Homestar and Strong Bad:
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Strong Bad, what are we doing in this room?
:'''STRONG BAD:''' I don't know, I'm not in this room. I'm in the lounge with all these... women.
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Ummm, I need, where is the cream soda anyways around here? I need some cream soda, and some other stuff.
:'''STRONG BAD:''' Yeah, well I need, um... Somewhere to get my laptop working again. You guys, does anybody know that Mike right now, we didn't even tell people this. Underneath Mike's laptop, he's got the door to his RAM opened up, and a piece of notebook paper folded up to push it into the slot, because it wouldn't work? That's the only reason Mike's crappy laptop is working, and you think I'm bad with the electronics.
*Mike explains that the day before his computer stopped working, and he was freaking out that he wouldn't have his laptop for the presentation. He eventually realized if he held the RAM, pushing it in as he booted up, it would work. So he crammed a folded up 8x10 piece of paper in there, and it works. He explained that was the kind of stuff that went on with them, and also surmised that he would keep it like that for like three months before he would get it fixed.

====Do you have any new characters coming on the horizon?====
*Mike answered that for main charters, no. Any new characters that are created such as Trogdor and Teen Girl Squad are created spur of the moment for that instance. The main core is made up of 12 main characters, and will not likely be added to. Their conscious decision was to make offshoot type things, instead of making it like Pokémon, where there's a zillion characters. Two of the main characters, [[The Poopsmith]] and [[Homsar]] were not originally main characters, but rose to become main characters early on, and they will likely never add to that.

====Do you find any international people coming to the site? - Yellow Hat====
*There are mainly English speaking fans, [[Wikipedia:Australia|Australia]], [[Wikipedia:Canada|Canada]], the [[Wikipedia:United Kingdom|UK]] and [[Wikipedia:England|England]], and [[Wikipedia:Scandinavia|Scandinavia]] because a large majority there speak English.
*Matt mentioned that there is a SWF that somebody made which allows subtitles to easily be added to Flash. He mentioned that they have considered using this for Spanish or Korean translations, though Mike remarked he didn't remember a discussion.
*Matt also mentioned they were blown away the first time they got an email or an order from "across the pond", they were amazed they had even heard of them.

====Do you have a favorite character to write or record for?====
*Matt replied that likes good old Homestar Runner (as he stroked the Puppet Homestar), as his voice is easily done consistently. He mentioned that [[Bubs]]' voice is hard to keep consistent and quite right, how he will often record five or six takes for Bubs' line, and then pick the best one, despite Mike telling him they all sound the same.
*Mike replied that he also likes Homestar for animating. He's easy to animate, since he only has three animation symbols, and this in turn makes it easier to make him expressive. Mike also has sympathy for Homestar, since the website used to be about him, but he's become sort of the underdog to Strong Bad, and is trying to get his website back any way he can.

====What has kept you from getting a big staff?====
*They explained that the staff is basically four people. The two of them who makes the cartoon, their video guy [[Ryan Sterritt|Ryan]] who does the DVDs and video encoding, and [[Karen Chapman|their sister]] who runs the store. Their biggest reason for keeping the company small is because they don't ''want'' a big staff. A few years ago they might have hired an animator, since animating for eight hours straight at a time was becoming tedious. But they decided against it, and now hiring an animator would just be weird.
*Matt noted that one of the reasons they've been able to do the site for a living is because they've kept it small, and reiterated his advice of "expectations, keep 'em down. Ankle level." The more people you bring in, business type people, they feel it gets bloated and you loose something from the site.

====How did you create the toys?====
*Again, it fell into their laps from a fan who emailed them. He had mocked up little PVC [[Store#Collectible Figurines|figurines]] of the characters, and had all the contacts in China. He flew them up to his studio in New York, showed them the figurines, some factory did pretty much all the work, and all they did was say "hey, looks great". The same thing happened with The Cheat [[Store#Kick The Cheat|plush doll]]. According to Mike, it would never have happened if they had set out to make toys. Matt offered the advice to "wait until everything falls into your lap".
*At this point, their laptop timed out and went to screensaver, which displayed the [[Homestar Runner and Strong Bad Screensaver|Strong Bad Screensaver]] for a second, until they bumped the laptop.
====How many Easter egg toons are there, that are not linked to from anywhere on the site?====
*Mike clarified what the person was refering to: [[Not the 100th Email!!!]]. He explained that going to <code>/sbemail100.html</code> was a fakeout, and would instead take you to a short toon. Since the [[:Template:updates-box|H*R.com update]] is usually on Monday, they put this toon up on the site instead, for those that would look in the url before it was linked. They released the [[flashback|100th email]] the next day. That was the only time they've made a toon that you have to get to from outside the toons; to say "stop looking, stop goofing around, and when it's done it'll be done".
*Matt commented that he's always wanted to do a [[Wikipedia:Alternate reality game|crazy marketing campain]] like [[Wikipedia:Haunted Apiary|the one]] they did for [[Wikipedia:Halo 2|Halo 2]] and [[Wikipedia:The Beast (game)|the one]] for [[Wikipedia:A.I. (film)|A.I.]], where there would be a network of 1000 websites, secret links, and they'd call your mobile phone, and finally he'd end up coming to your house and giving you a cookie cake.
*After taking stock of how much time they had left (three minutes), they opened the floor to more questions.

====Was the CD you released your personal choice, or fan demand?====
*Mike explained that the [[Strong Bad Sings CD]] was their own choice, they had several bits and pieces of songs, and they wanted full, fleshed out versions of many of them. [[Y-O-U]], who were fans of Homestar Runner had emailed them, said that they had just moved to Atlanta, digged their work, and wanted to do something with them. Mike went out and saw their band, met them, and decided to collaborate with them. The collaboration worked well, in addition to being good musicians they had good ideas, and the Chaps went along with most of them. They also commented that they have since built up another collection of [[Songs]], would like to make another CD of full versions, and it was good to know that fans still wanted them.

====How does Craig get compensated?====
*Matt explained that [[Craig Zobel]] is a shareholder, he was the one that helped Mike write the [[Original Book]]. They describe him as a "billionaire gaddabout", and whenever he's in town they put him to work.

====How did you come up with the name "Homestar Runner"?====
*The name Homestar Runner came from their friend Jamie, who is not very sports saavy. There was a local commercial for [[Wikipedia:Winn-Dixie|Winn-Dixie]] grocery stores, and [[LEMKE|Mark Lemke]], who was a second basemen for the Atlanta Braves at that time, endorsed the commercial. They would play a clip of Lemke doing something, and the announcer would say something like "Mark Lemke, all star second basemen for the Braves, and you can be a second basemen for savings, at Winn-Dixie". It sounded like an old-timey announcer, so their friend Jamie would make fun of that terrible ad, and say "Mark Lemke, home star runner for the braves!". Matt mentioned they liked the name "The Homestar Runner", and sort of 'filed that away'. Incidentally, Jamie doesn't get compensated since he's in a rock band, and gets "all kinds of action".

====When was the moment you knew it was time to quit the dayjob and do Homestar full time?====
*Mike explained that at the time he had been doing freelance work, so it was really only Matt who had to quit his job. Their [[Don Chapman|dad]] was running everything, and was doing all of the t-shirt sales, and had been hinting for at least six months prior that if they got two or three freelance jobs every few months, they would be able to live off of the sales. Matt described quiting his job as a sort of "leap off a cliff", not knowing if they would be able to do it full time. Then about a or so later they started selling [[Store#Hooded Sweatshirts|hooded sweatshirts]], college got back in session, and sales ramped up to a point where they felt safe.
*Matt mused that he wouldn't mind going back to being a "starving artist for Homestar Runner", eating cold pizza, and all that, just for Earthlink.

===Ending - 5:00 pm===
They asked the crowd if there were any more questions, thanked the audience, and ended right on time.

==After the presentation==
[[Image:Flashforward TBC.JPG|thumb|Taken in the lobby during the autograph session]] [[Image:Flashforward Autograph.PNG|left|thumb|An autograph to Thunderbird]]
After the presentation had ended, they signed autographs for around 15 minutes up at the stage, usually spending a few minutes with each fan. By 5:15 the next speaker was ready to go on, so they packed up their equipment and went out to the lobby. The remaining fans followed them out, and they finished signing autographs and meeting fans out there.

==See Also==

*[[Flashforward Interview - 10 Feb 2006]]

==External Links==

*[http://www.flashforwardconference.com/home Flashforward Conference official web site]
*[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Talk:Flashforward_2006_Seattle_-_28_Feb_2006#PLAY_THE_SAMPLE_LEVEL Play the sample level]

[[Category:Interviews and Public Appearances]]

superhero name

Jweb Guru — Mon, 13 Mar 2006 03:44:11 GMT

Jweb Guru: Editing to... uh, make it link, it probably should have before.

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[[Image:sbemail29.PNG|thumb|"STINY! Get me a danish!"]]

Stiny asks why Strong Bad's name doesn't end in "man."

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, [[Strong Badman]], {{Film|The Cheat}}

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]]

'''Computer:''' [[Tandy 400]]

'''Date:''' May 27, 2002

'''Running Time:''' 1:07

'''Page Title:''' Tandy 400!!!

== Transcript ==

'''STRONG BAD:''' All these...emails...I don't understand.

<blockquote class="tandy email">Dear Strong bad: 
 
Why is it that your superhero name does not end 
in "man" just like Superman, Spiderman. etc, etc... 
 
Your friend 
 
Stiny</blockquote>

'''STRONG BAD:''' Umm... ''{typing}'' I don't think you're in a very good position to be criticizing people's names, STINY!! I mean, what kind of a name is Stiny anyways? It sounds like some supervillain's little sidekick that he's always ordering around you know. ''{stops typing}'' Like, "STINY! GET ME A DANISH!!" ''{An image with Strong Bad drawn as Strong Badman accompanies this}'' or "STINY! WHO SPILLED COFFEE ALL OVER THE PLANS FOR MY DEATH RAY?!" {''Another image of Strong Badman accompanies this}'' Stiny... ''{clears screen, resumes typing}'' Naw, you know what? I'll change my name to Strong Badman if you agree to be my sidekick: Li'l Stiny. And you can wear a little mask and a little cape...

''{The camera zooms back and we see The Cheat appear wearing a mask covering his eyes and a little cape.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Hey The Cheat... Er, just doing an email.

'''THE CHEAT:''' {The Cheat sounds}

'''STRONG BAD:''' What? No! Of course you're still my sidekick!

'''THE CHEAT:''' {More The Cheat sounds, slightly annoyed}

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yeah, that cape looks great on you. Look, I was speaking hypothetically.

'''THE CHEAT:''' {Irritated The Cheat sounds}

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh come on, don't give me that!

'''THE CHEAT:''' {Loud, angry, The Cheat sounds}

''{The Cheat walks away angrily.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ah, The Cheat!

''{A "Strong Badman" comic book appears on the screen with a picture of Strong Badman drawn on it (see above). On the bottom of the page, there's a blurb that reads "CLICK '''HERE''' TO EMAIL STRONG BAD!!" Click on the text to email him.}''

== Fun Facts ==
===Trivia===
[[Image:Strong badmans death ray.PNG|thumb|260px|Strong Badman's death ray plans]]
*For the first time, [[The Paper]] doesn't come down at the end of this email. Instead, the "Click here to Email Strong Bad" is on the comic.
*The [[No Loafing Sign]] looks different in this email.
*Strong Badman's deathray plans have "asdasdkuahs gfjdgd df956 4564-45" written in the corner.
*In the list of superhero names, [[Wikipedia:Spider-Man|Spider-Man]] is misspelled as "Spiderman", which is a common mistake.

===Remarks===
*Strong Bad's [[Floppy Disk Container#blank_5.25_inch_disks|floppies]] don't have a name.
*Even though Strong Bad says that Strong Badman is a "supervillain," he gets his name on the comic. This is probably due to the fact that when Strong Bad Emails first started, Strong Bad was still considered the villain of the Homestar universe.

===Goofs===
*When we cut out to The Cheat wearing the cape and mask, there are no contrast buttons on the Tandy 400.

===Real-World References===
*Unbeknownst to viewers of this email, Stiny is the name of Homestar creator [[Craig Zobel]]'s little brother.
*[[Cheap as Free]] Comics has the same logo style as most early '90s [[Wikipedia:Marvel Comics|Marvel comics]], including a character in the top left corner, price and issue number, and [[Wikipedia:Comics Code Authority|Comics Code Authority]] symbol.
*"All these...emails...I don't understand," is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Elton John|Elton John]] classic [[Wikipedia:Rocket Man (song)|"Rocket Man"]] (another "-man" name), as performed by [[Wikipedia:William Shatner|William Shatner]] at the 1981 Science Fiction Awards (as mentioned in the DVD commentary). One line of the song is, "All this science I don't understand..."
===Fast Forward===
*Cheap as Free Comics also appears in [[haircut]] with "The Total Adventures of Strong Badman."
*The Cheat's question about his costume is used later in the Easter Egg in [[cheat talk]].

== DVD Version ==
*The DVD version features hidden creators' commentary. To access it, switch your DVD player's audio language selection while watching.

=== Commentary Transcript ===
('''Commentary by:''' [[Mike Chapman]], [[Matt Chapman]])

'''MIKE:''' ''{mumbling}'' I don't understand...

'''MATT:''' That's a reference to Shatner performing "Rocket Man"—

'''MIKE:''' That's true.

'''MATT:''' —at the 1981 Science Fiction...

'''MIKE:''' Science Fiction Awards, yes.

'''MATT:''' Video Awards or whatever. Um, so ''this'' one, it was great. We, um... I remember, we finished this, we worked on it some at my Uncle John's house in Winnemac, Indiana.

'''MIKE:''' Some at Grandpa's.

'''MATT:''' And we finished it up.

'''MIKE:''' Aunt Dean's old room.

'''MATT:''' In Aunt Dean's old room, and there was nothing there. We could wax the floor that day. So it's this room with this old, that old, like, 2 inch thick wallpaper. And, uh, with some pink print.

'''MIKE:''' Pink flowers, yeah.

'''MATT:''' Yeah. And, just, we brought a TV tray and finished it on this laptop that kept crashing Flash 5. It took us forever to finish it. And, uh, did we, I wonder if you have that picture somewhere, 'cause I remember you took a picture—

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, I think I do.

'''MATT:''' —'cause we were going to make it look like, the uh, say this is our office. Just this giant, empty old—old lady's room with me and Mike. The laptop. How about those white circles The Cheat has for eyes?

'''MIKE:''' Is that the first No Loafing sign?

'''MATT:''' Uh, maybe.

'''MIKE:''' I dunno.

'''MATT:''' I don't know if Processing—was Processing around yet?

'''MIKE:''' Uh, yeah.

'''MATT:''' 'Cause I think that's where it first appeared.

=== Fun Facts ===
*Matt's talk of processing is a reference to the [[Email Processing Room]] (where, incidentally, the No Loafing sign does ''not'' make an appearance). It also appeared after this email.

== External Links ==
*[[HR:sbemail29.html|watch "superhero name"]]
*[[HR:sbemail29.swf|view the Flash file for "superhero name"]]

{{Strong Bad Email}}
[[Category:Tandy 400 Emails]]
[[Category: Emails With DVD Commentary]]

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{| style="background:#CFC; border: 1px dashed #090"
|-
| style="padding:10px" | '''Checklist for new Strong Bad Email:'''
*Update main [[Strong Bad Email]] list.
*On the same page, update the total emails and various fun facts.
*Update each list in the Strong Bad Email [[Template:StrongBadEmailInfo|navigation template]].
*Point the navigation template at the top of the next-to-last email and [[some kinda robot]] to the current email and vice versa.
*Link the email page to the forum and vice versa, if necessary.
*Redirect <nowiki>[[</nowiki>sbemail***]] to the current email.
|} 

__TOC__

== An oddment ==

I was watching SBEmails. Then, I saw the flash file for ther menu. It still has the compy! [[User:Amy Whifflepoof|Amy Whifflepoof]]

== Chinese ==

Okay, what's with the Chinese writing? Iv'e never seen that on the wiki... Is it suppost to be there? [[User:Homestramy20|Homestramy20]] 08:57, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Given that they were all added by an anonymous user to this and a couple of other pages all within an hour or so, and they're all links to commercial websites, probably not. {{User:phlip/sig}} 10:04, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Here's an answer for you: No Chinese allowed!

Here's an answer for you: No Chinese allowed! [[The 386]]

== Newest Scroll Rap ==

Hey, did anyone notice that Strong Bad's head doesn't move while he is saying his latest email rap? Is this worthy to put on the page? {{User:Rainer/sig}} 10:39, 12 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Hmmm... It is a bit strange. Perhaps under 'remarks'. There are alot of places that do call for it within the rap. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:54, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

==36 1/2?==

I noticed somebody replaced '? 1/2' to '36 1/2' for the Toons Menu Stu email. How do we know it's 36 and a half? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 04:50, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

==Template==
I think that the sbemail articles (NOT the toons, articles), should have a template. Anyone agree? {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 02:59, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:Do you mean something in addition to [[Template:Strong Bad Email]]? If so, I don't think that is necessary.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:10, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

::I mean for Statistics, length, place, ect. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 03:11, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:::You're talking about converting the [[Strong_Bad_Email#Additional_Information|additional information section]] into a template and then putting it on all of those pages? ...Why not? Seems like a good idea to me. (Note: I'm not sure where all you were planning on putting the template, but I don't think it should go on the emails themselves, just on this page and the various specialty pages.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:17, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

::::No, that template won't go on to the emails themselves, just the information pages. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 03:34, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:::::Well, it sounds useful, especially since there's nothing on those pages tying them together. I think you should go for it, at the very least so we can see it and make an informed decision. The worst that could happen would be that nobody likes it and it gets reverted, but the way you describe it, I think everyone will like it fine. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:32, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

::::::It looks like E.L. Cool went ahead and made a template, so I added it to the pages. I think the green was intended to match the Tandy, but maybe a different color would be better. What do you think? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:08, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:::::::Haha.. I didn't even read this post! I thought that I was on a roll with The Cheat Commandos template and Limozeen one that I just went ahead and made it. And yeah, the green is for the Tendy, but you can switch it if you like. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:20, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)
::::::::I went ahead and added [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Template:StrongBadEmailInfo&curid=12672&diff=0&oldid=159419 Strong Bad Email Statistics] to the template. After all, it was a featured article at one point and I noticed that the article no longer linked to [[Strong Bad Email]]. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 02:08, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:::::::::Hi, nice one. Forgot about in. Chack out [[Talk:20X6]] for some debate if this taplate should stay of not. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 03:42, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== Spin-offs? ==

We mention a few spin-off toons and characters in the opening paragraph, but there's so many things on the site that Strong Bad emails created. Should we have a section on this page for stuff on the site that came from Strong Bad emails? {{User:Camalex/sig}} 03:28, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)
:That's a prooty good idea. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 11:47, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)
::So, um, where should I put it on here? I don't think it's worthy of it's own article, is it? {{User:Camalex/sig}} 20:42, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== Do TBC change the names of the users who send emails? ==

[http://boards.gamefaqs.com/gfaqs/genmessage.php?board=575567&topic=23877070 Topic on GameFAQS]...

''From: zztman5 | Posted: 10/3/2005 10:17:42 AM | Message Detail | #004 
... 
''I sent that email. That exact same email, exact down to text and everything... with the exception of the name. They changed my name on it. What the ****. 
''what the crap/10''

''From: Alastor the Stylish | Posted: 10/3/2005 11:31:02 AM | Message Detail | #005 
''They always change the names on them. I thought everyone knew that <_<''

Zuh? Is this true? I've never heard this... If so, should it be remarked somewhere?

:What about [[montage]]? We ''know'' it was sent by a wiki user and TBC didn't change the name. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 20:47, 3 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:I think it's real easy for someone to claim that on an off-topic forum. What kind of evidence does the original poster have, or for that matter the person who claims that "everyone" knows this? Every indication in commentaries and interviews that I've ever seen is that TBC leave an email exactly as-is, with the exception that they might trim it for length. Certainly most of the names and locations in the various emails are vague enough that TBC wouldn't need to change them, and I believe the [[Legal]] page gives them the right to use the submissions. Besides, where would the joke be if there was no real Dan and Linda, Monkeydude, Someone, or Anonymous Contributor? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:56, 3 Oct 2005 (UTC)

::Yes, really. I think at least one of those guys is not being truthful. There's no proof to them, whereas the Brothers Chaps have always indicated that their emails are exactly the same, right down to the name (which, I suspect, may be one reason why they never use mine: coz they can't pronounce the name). There's a lot of proof towards what It's dot com said. Personally, I think it's just someone looking for attention. It's a lot easier to say they used your email and changed the name than it is to actually get your email answered. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== DVD Redirects ==

Seen as we already have a numerical redirect to all the Strong Bad Emails, does anyone else think that making capitalised DVD redirects would be a good idea for all emails this is possible with (that is, all emails from [[some kinda robot|Some Kinda Robot]] to [[do over|Do Over]], excluding [[homsar|Homsar]], [[pom pom|Pom Pom]], [[marzipan|Marzipan]] and possibly [[interview|Interview]]) --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 22:38, 17 October 2005 (BST)
:I think it's already been done for a couple, namely [[Army]] and [[Impression]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
==Actual sbemail program?==
Would it be difficult to write an sbemail.exe program? I would like the "DELETED!" feature in my default mail client, but I also like the dos based look to it. What would be the best language to write it in? has it been done?

[[User:Agentjs03|Agentjs03]] 15:51, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

:Erm, my guess is the best place to ask/check for that kind of stuff is the [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page fan stuff wiki]. I'd suggest browsing through the different categories to see if it's not already been done, if not ask there! Let me know if you find anything. Good luck! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:26, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

::Something like [[Wikipedia:Mutt (email client)|Mutt]] perhaps?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:37, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

== A Possible Poll? ==
Is there a way someone could make a possible poll to vote on the best email ever, it would be very cool...

:Sorry, but this is a knowledge base. We aren't about polling people. Perhaps you could check out some of the polls in the [http://forum.hrwiki.org forum]?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:09, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

==<nowiki>{{clear}}</nowiki>==

[[Image:ClearEg1.PNG|thumb|Without]] [[Image:ClearEg2.PNG|thumb|With]] I noticed Dot Com reverted my edit, here's why I put the clear up. On larger browser windows, the picture overlaps the top of the list, looking kinda goofy. Although the clear does make the page somewhat larger. Does anybody else have any opinions about the clear setting? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 13:50, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:Just out of curiosity, what resolution is this running at? Is it 640x480? Is the resolution shown in your pictures the resolution that you normally run your computer at? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 15:49, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::I'm guessing 1280x1024, based on where the text wraps. The overlapping didn't happen for me at that resolution, but then I realised - if you hide the TOC it does. Does the change I just made suit everyone? {{User:Phlip/sig}} 15:52, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
:::Yes, that's very nice now, Phil. Thanks. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:17, 2 November 2005 (UTC)
::::Great, thanks. Yeah, I have a big monitor, and I also like keeping text small to reduce scrollage. Sometimes the big resolution creates special problems for me. Thanks for fixing this one though, philip. (Oh, and I hate TOCs, I never display them) {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 01:20, 3 November 2005 (UTC)
{{clear}}

== Navigation template ==
:''Note: This is a continuation of the dicussion originally started [[Template_talk:sbe#Succession box|here]].''
:'''''This project's final status can be found [[HRWiki:Projects#Navigation_templates|here]].'''''
So I decided to '''be bold''', but it appears I was a bit ''too'' bold. Anyway, check out the new navigation template at the top of emails [[some kinda robot|1]] through [[i rule|11]], and comment here. The rationale for this is that it's very handy to be able to flash through a sequential group of items without scrolling down to the bottom of the page every time. My goal was a consistent navigation that keeps the "next" link in (usually) the same place on each page, to minimize the need to move the mouse. This would be useful when browsing email by email, perhaps to see what characters and places make an appearance in each, or perhaps just to read each synopsis. Such a thing would be very useful to me right now, for example, as I am trying to compile a little list of the most "important" emails so my wife can read them in order and get a feeling for overall chronology without reading all 130+ emails. {{User:Bill/sig}} 17:55, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

: Emails [[some kinda robot]] and [[portrait]] demonstrate the tweaked versions of the template for the first and last emails. Note that, for example, when email #140 gets released, [[portrait]] will have to be changed from the sbelast template to the sbe template, and the name and number for 140 will have to be added to it. {{User:Bill/sig}} 18:08, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

=== comments about the ''presence'' of the template ===

I'm pretty neutral at this point, maybe a bit on the positive side. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I'm leaning further positive, the more I think about it. However, with emails that are disambiguated, would the navigation template remain at the top of the screen, or go one line down? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:07, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

: Go one line down. I don't think we want the '''Strong Bad email #X''' line to come before the disambiguation line. {{User:Bill/sig}} 18:09, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

::The only other thing I can think of about the format, is that going forward is easy to just click click click, but going backwards requires moving the mouse around a bit every email. Can't really think of an easy way to fix it though, unless you put forward on the right side of the screen, back on the left side of the screen, and some form of a main title or number in the middle of the screen. What do you think of that? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:12, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

:::As it is now, the template distracts a bit from the thumbnail image. My eye is expecting just an image to be there, clean and unobstructed, like we have in about 90-95% of our articles. See a few [[Special:Random|random articles]] to compare. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:21, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

::::What if the links were small and gray? As said: "It's more functional than aesthetic". {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:24, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::That might help Tom's issue, but I wouldn't like the inconsistent formatting of hyperlinks. {{User:Bill/sig}} 18:31, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

:::: ''[edit conflict]'' The proximity to the image bothered me, too, but I accepted it as a compromise. Another possibility is to put the navigation inline; something like one of these, perhaps:
::::* '''Strong Bad Email #4''' — [[butt IQ|<< (#3) butt IQ]] | [[making out|making out (#5) >>]]
::::* '''Strong Bad Email #4''' — [[butt IQ|<< butt IQ]] | [[making out|making out >>]]
::::* '''Strong Bad Email #4''' — [[butt IQ|<<(#3)]] | [[making out|(#5)>>]]
::::* '''Strong Bad Email #4''' ([[butt IQ|<<previous]] | [[making out|next>>]])
::::* '''Strong Bad Email #4''' ([[butt IQ|#3]] | [[making out|#5]])
:::: But I ''think'' I find that more intrusive than where it is now, above the (optional) image. Anyway, the fourth or fifth one is probably the best; in this context I'd be looking for a minimal footprint. {{User:Bill/sig}} 18:31, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::The 4th or 5th options could also take advantage of our [[sbemail3]]-type redirects, and we could then shorten the template to three simple variables. You could probably also manage a Greasemonkey script similar to [http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/1015 this one] to work like that too, if we end up not going with the template at all. Though if we do go with this template, I think I'd rather have the names than just the numbers. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:03, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::Here's what I would do: [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&oldid=232217] I think that it is an appropriate position for the navigationand does not take away from other things on the page. -[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 17:00, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

=== comments about the presentation of the template ===

Perhaps a different color, to make it stand out better? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:02, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

: I dunno ... it's more functional than aesthetic. In fact, I didn't want to draw a lot of attention to it, since this is the top of the page. Part of the reason I flush-righted it was for the "next-link in the same place" goal, but another part was to remove it from the main text stream of the beginning of the page. {{User:Bill/sig}} 18:11, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
:: While you should never place form over function, I would still argue that they're both important.
:: Instead of:
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right>[[some kinda robot|<< (#1) some kinda robot]] | [[butt IQ|butt IQ (#3) >>]]</td>
</tr></table>

::How about something a little smaller and self-contained:
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table style="background:#F2F2F2;border:1px solid #CCC;font-size:10px;line-height:100%"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|← [1] some kinda robot]] | [[butt IQ|butt IQ [3] →]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
::— [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:54, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Fixing the width of the box on the right?
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #9'''</td>
<td align=right>
<table style="background:#F2F2F2;border:1px solid #CCC;font-size:8px;line-height:100%">
<tr><td>[[brianrietta|← [8] brianrietta]] |</td>
<td width="127px" align="center">[[trevor the vampire|trevor the vampire [10] →]]</td>
</tr></table></td>
</tr></table>

<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right>
<table style="background:#F2F2F2;border:1px solid #CCC;font-size:8px;line-height:100%">
<tr><td>[[some kinda robot|← [1] some kinda robot]] |</td>
<td width="127px" align="center">[[butt IQ|butt IQ [3] →]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
::: -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:39, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

:::: I like where that is going (a lot, actually), with a few comments:
::::# Don't make the links too small; in my browser (with a medium text size), It's dot com's examples are pushing the limit of readability/aesthetics and Tom's examples have crossed it (the text is pixelpuky and the smallest arrows have turned into lines with a one-pixel "blip" on the top side). This might be a good reason to use << and >> instead of arrows.
::::# I wouldn't recommend fixing the width of the right-most box. You'll never be able to predict how wide it should be for all browser contexts without making it way too wide, and this really isn't necessary; the goal of "same x,y position" is most important for the "next" link (which will get far more use), and even with the size of the next link being variable, you can aim for sort of an "average middle" on the previous link and still not have to move your mouse very much. Click through the first 10 emails and you'll see what I mean. (And furthermore, since disambiguation lines introduce Y-axis variations, the whole "same x,y" goal will never be achieved 100%.)
::::# Let's replace the pipe symbol (|) with a cell border (although I'm sure my css below needs to be cleaned up!).
::::# Although I, too, began my templates without using number signs (#), I added them later because otherwise a number in parentheses looks more like a count than a designator, and I wanted consistency with the email # on the left-hand side of the same line.
::: So all that said, the following works really well for me:
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#F2F2F2;border:1px solid #CCC;padding: 5px;font-size:10px;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|<< [#1] some kinda robot]]</td><td>[[butt IQ|butt IQ [#3] >>]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
::: or perhaps
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#F2F2F2;border:1px solid #CCC;padding: 5px;font-size:10px;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|<< some kinda robot (#1)]]</td><td>[[butt IQ|butt IQ (#3) >>]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
::: or even just
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#F2F2F2;border:1px solid #CCC;padding: 5px;font-size:10px;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|<< some kinda robot]]</td><td>[[butt IQ|butt IQ >>]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
::: {{User:Bill/sig}} 21:54, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
:::: I like this last version very much. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:40, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#F2F2F2;border:1px solid #CCC;padding: 5px;font-size:10px;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|← some kinda robot]]</td><td>[[butt IQ|butt IQ →]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
:::: I also made one here of the simpler version but with arrows for comparison. I enlarged the arrows just a touch. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:45, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::Bill, out of curiosity, how much different is this version (from what you can see in your browser):
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#f2f2f2;border:1px solid #ccc;padding: 5px;font-size:x-small;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|← some kinda robot]]</td><td>[[butt IQ|butt IQ →]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
:::::from It's dot com's directly above?
::::::[[Image:SbeNavLayoutSnapshot.PNG|right|thumb|218px]] Here's a snapshot (at 100%). I still prefer the angle brackets, unless the arrows can be fixed up with a reasonable chance of looking good in various browsers at various resolutions. I'm using Firefox, 1280x1024, medium-ish text size, on both a laptop and a desktop, and the arrows look a bit clunky on both. However, I also realize I'm flirting with hypocrisy here, since the angle brackets look quite unsophisticated and I always advocate using the "real" version of a symbol (such as an em dash [—] instead of two hyphens [--]). Do we have escape sequences for solid triangles? Those might make for a good compromise. {{User:Bill/sig}} 16:25, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
Oh, and consider whether we would want to use the same trick for Teen Girl Squad, Marzipan's Answering Machine, and any other reasonably sequential series of pages. We might want a separate set of templates for those others, since the page layout is slightly different from a Strong Bad email, but I'd think we'd want the nav boxes to look consistent. {{User:Bill/sig}} 16:44, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
:Could it be done like this:

<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#F2F2F2;border:1px solid #CCC;padding: 5px;font-size:10px;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|<< some kinda robot]]</td><td>'''homsar'''</td><td>[[butt IQ|butt IQ >>]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>

How's that look? -[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 17:04, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
:I like it! {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 17:06, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

::Ationsong, I like your version the best, but what I like would be a full horizontal screen version of that, with the title in the middle, and then the forward and back buttons on the left and right. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:39, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Bill, here's how it looks for me:
[[Image:20050107_SbeNavLayoutSnapshot-tom.png|frame]]
{{clear}}
:::Another addition I'd like to get your opinion on is the following:
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#f2f2f2;border:1px solid #ccc;padding: 5px;font-size:x-small;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|← some kinda robot]]</td>
<td>[[HR:sbemail2.html|watch]]</td>
<td>[[butt IQ|butt IQ →]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
:::I've been meaing to fix the transparancy of that image, but other than that, what do you think? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:48, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
::::: Honestly? I didn't know what it was for at first. Initially I thought "watch" meant "add it to my watch list." I guess I'm fairly focused on what I thought the navigation should do, and this seems like an "add-on" that doesn't need to be there. This nav system is all about rapid movement from one email to an adjacent email; dropping out to watch one of them doesn't need to be part of the "quickness" factor (for that I can easily hit the End key and click the normal watch link). {{User:Bill/sig}} 14:55, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::Easily fixed by the suggestion below:
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#f2f2f2;border:1px solid #ccc;padding: 5px;font-size:x-small;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|← some kinda robot]]</td>
<td>[[HR:sbemail2.html|watch '''homsar''']]</td>
<td>[[butt IQ|butt IQ →]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
::::::Better? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:06, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
::::Note: [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3AMonobook.css&diff=232472&oldid=229416 Fixed transparancy]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:14, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::How about "watch email" or somesuch that indicates what you're about to watch? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:50, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::I think either "watch homsar" or "watch email" would work. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:49, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::::Even though people like my other idea, I had another one, and figured that there's no harm in posting it. It looks like this:

 
{| id="navbox" style="margin: 0 2em 0 2em; padding: 0.2em"
! style="background:#ccccff" width="100%" | [[Strong Bad Email]]s
|-
| align = "center" valign="top" | [[some kinda robot|<< some kinda robot]] | '''homsar''' | [[butt IQ|butt IQ >>]]
|-
| align = "center" valign="top" style="font-size: smaller;" |
[[some kinda robot]] | '''homsar''' | [[butt IQ]] | [[homestar hair]] | [[making out]] | [[depressio]] | [[halloweener]] | [[brianrietta]] | [[i love you]] | [[trevor the vampire]] | [[i rule]] | [[credit card]] | [[i she be]] | [[duck pond]] | [[the basics]] | [[band names]] | [[studying]] | [[stand-up]] | [[tape-leg]] | [[spring cleaning]] | [[cartoon]] | [[sb_email 22]] | [[little animal]] | [[the bird]] | [[super powers]] | [[CGNU]] | [[3 Wishes]] | [[1 step ahead]] | [[superhero name]] | [[12:00]] | [[sugarbob]] | [[flag day]] | [[gimmicks]] | [[weird dream]] | [[sisters]] | [[guitar]] | [[dullard]] | [[helium]] | [[property of ones]] | [[vacation]] | [[invisibility]] | [[action figure]] | [[little questions]] | [[lures & jigs]] | [[techno]] | [[your friends]] | [[new hands]] | [[ghosts]] | [[theme party]] | [[50 emails]] | [[website]] | [[island]] | [[comic]] | [[morning routine]] | [[cheat talk]] | [[current status]] | [[japanese cartoon]] | [[dragon]] | [[marzipan]] | [[huttah!]] | [[monster truck]] | [[interview]] | [[fingers]] | [[english paper]] | [[unused emails]] | [[the show]] | [[autobiography]] | [[caper]] | [[personal favorites]] | [[big white face]] | [[2 emails]] | [[crazy cartoon]] | [[mascot]] | [[privileges]] | [[funny]] | [[sibbie]] | [[suntan]] | [[anything]] | [[the process]] | [[stunt double]] | [[date]] | [[impression]] | [[labor day]] | [[kids' book]] | [[2 years]] | [[no loafing]] | [[mile]] | [[couch patch]] | [[local news]] | [[colonization]] | [[caffeine]] | [[kind of cool]] | [[army]] | [[video games]] | [[the bet]] | [[lackey]] | [[monument]] | [[stupid stuff]] | [[different town]] | [[flashback]] | [[car]] | [[lunch special]] | [[haircut]] | [[theme park]] | [[replacement]] | [[dangeresque 3]] | [[cheatday]] | [[pom pom]] | [[crying]] | [[for kids]] | [[other days]] | [[old comics]] | [[pizzaz]] | [[the facts]] | [[time capsule]] | [[extra plug]] | [[montage]] | [[virus]] | [[animal]] | [[radio]] | [[part-time job]] | [[dreamail]] | [[origins]] | [[secret recipes]] | [[rock opera]] | [[best thing]] | [[long pants]] | [[rampage]] | [[garage sale]] | [[do over]] | [[boring (really)]] | [[modeling]] | [[bottom 10]] | [[record book]] | [[lady...ing]] | [[geddup noise]] | [[bedtime story]] | [[space program]] | [[portrait]]
|}

:::::::This integrates the "email navigation" template with the "strong bad email" template found at the bottom of every page. It still needs a little formatting work, but I think this solves the problem of where to put it so that it does not get in the way of other elements on the page. What does everybody think? -[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 15:17, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::::A good idea, but the whole point of the nav buttons was to avoid scrolling to the main template. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 22:50, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::::::Science! Er, I mean, "Exactly!" {{User:Bill/sig}} 14:55, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::And once you get to the big nav template, it's really not that hard to locate your place in the list (since it's a different color and bold) and just click on the next or previous email. (I fixed the template above to illustrate this.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:35, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::::::Science!, again. {{User:Bill/sig}} 14:55, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I am going to implement Tom's most recent design (the one that reads "watch homsar") so that we can see whether we're close or whether we need to go back to the drawing board. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:24, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

:Okay, I switched them on [[homsar]] and [[butt IQ]]. How do they look? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:31, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

:: It's just not clicking for me, for several reasons:
::# Too disparate; what does watching the toon have to do with previous/next navigation?
::# Too redundant; the watch/view links at the bottom of the page are only and End-button away, and offer more options. (The prev/next links are at the top to reduce scrolling, but this is a non-issue for a low-repetetivity action like watching a toon.)
::# Too inconsistent; it makes me feel like we would need a little "watch" box at the top of ''every'' page that represents a toon. (Why would there be a watch box for [[butt IQ]] but not for [[Experimental Film]]?)
::# Too imposing; the box is starting to take over the top of the page. Look how big it would get on [[different town]]:
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #99'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#f2f2f2;border:1px solid #ccc;padding: 5px;font-size:x-small;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[stupid stuff|← stupid stuff]]</td>
<td>[[HR:different town|watch '''different town''']]</td>
<td>[[flashback|flashback →]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
:: So, I advocate keeping this template slim, unimposing, and focused on its task.
:: {{User:Bill/sig}} 20:44, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Well, maybe we ''should'' have a small watch button at the top of all toons. That's often the reason I go to the pages. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:36, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

::Like Bill said, I too think the "watch" button is distracting where it is. But it is definitely a nice addition to have. How about [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&diff=234326&oldid=234323 this] format which separates the two yet keeps the watch button handy? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:01, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Here is a sample:
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #3''' ([[HR:sbemail3.html|watch '''{{PAGENAME}}''']])</td>

<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#f2f2f2;border:1px solid #ccc;padding: 5px;font-size:x-small;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[homsar|← homsar]]</td>
<td>[[homestar hair|homestar hair →]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
:::Please ignore the "{{PAGENAME}}" misnomer. I kept the <code><nowiki>{{PAGENAME}}</nowiki></code> tag for simplicity. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:08, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
:::: It's a good attempt, but it still seems cluttery to me. And keep in mind that most pages (other than sb emails) have a different layout at the top of the page. Where would we put such a link on a regular toon or an answering machine page? If the benefit was significant, it would be worth working on the layout problem or accepting the clutter for the sake of functionality. But the benefit is quite minimal; if you're on this page to watch the toon, you can just press the End key and then click the "watch" link at the bottom of the page. Since most toons last at least two or three minutes, the extra time needed to hit End (or Page Down a few times) is negligible. {{User:Bill/sig}} 14:19, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

::: <s>Also keep in mind that if the PAGENAME template is used, email #100 will have to be hardcoded or will have to have its own special template. (That's one of the reasons I've not used that template in my examples).</s> — [[User:Bill|Some Dumb Guy Who ... Comes Around, And ...]] 14:25, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

:::: Uh, please ignore those stupid-type words I wrote up there. I guess I was thinking of the unusual filenaming on the HR site itself; the wiki pages, of course, are no problem. So, let me take back those stupid-type words and just say "Science, again!". {{User:Bill/sig}} 15:59, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Science! Lol! I love that skit. I think it's great evidence that Homestar is really an [[Wikipedia:Autistic savant|Idiot Savant]] of sorts. Case in point: "Strong Bad what are you ''doing''? You mean doing?" ... "well they're spelled the same!"... Anyway, I digress. My example was meant ''exclusively'' for use with Strong bad emails and not for the generic toon template. However, you do make a good point about it being too cluttery and thought of this:
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #3''' ([[HR:sbemail3.html|watch]])</td>

<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#f2f2f2;border:1px solid #ccc;padding: 5px;font-size:x-small;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[homsar|← homsar]]</td>
<td>[[homestar hair|homestar hair →]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
:::or this:
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #3''' <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[HR:sbemail3.html|watch]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></td>

<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#f2f2f2;border:1px solid #ccc;padding: 5px;font-size:x-small;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[homsar|← homsar]]</td>
<td>[[homestar hair|homestar hair →]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
:::It's much more concise. Whaddya think!? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:36, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

:::: Oh cwap — I just realized that my original comment about making an exception for email #100 was right, and my subsequent retraction was actually the stupid-type words. Anyway ... I still need an answer to the question, "so where do you put that link on every toon that isn't a Strong Bad email?". {{User:Bill/sig}} 15:51, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::Don't worry about the email 100 exception: that's what exceptions are for: we can either <code>subst:</code> the template and hard code the necessary elements, or just substitute the number for "ahundred" since templates don't really care if you're putting in numbers or text. As for toons that are aren't SBEmails, please refer to my [[Talk:Strong Bad Email#stuxmsg2|comment below]] (<s>link to come</s>) regarding the need for two separate templates: one for emails and one for the rest. If you like either of the current versions above (With parens or brackets) we should start applying them soon (after some sort of consensus of course), since having different and inconsistent test versions just sitting pretty. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:34, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::BTW, the template above assumes dot com's format which is more concise as it requires less parameters. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:39, 12 January 2006 (UTC)

==== further discussion ====

::::::: Well ... I still don't see a need for the redundant "watch" link, still don't care for the extra clutter, and still want to know what this will look like on a non-email toon before I can buy into it for the emails. I agree we need to pick a format and move ahead because right now we have at least three different navs on the emails (counting "no nav" as one of the three), so let's pick one without the watch link (for now) and make all the emails consistent. Then we can easily add the watch link to the template, if everyone likes it, after we figure out where it goes on a non-email toon. I can live with the version with the arrows, if that's the consensus. {{User:Bill/sig}} 15:33, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Could we do it like {{prevnext|some kinda robot|previous email|butt IQ|next email}} 
<br?>
or just {{prevnext|some kinda robot|prev|butt IQ|next}} 
-[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 23:46, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

: Why? We have to feed the name of each email to the template anyway (so it can generate the link), so why not display it for the user as well? I think it's helpful. {{User:Bill/sig}} 15:33, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

::Ever since this discussion began, I have paid attention to when I would use this template, and I just wanted to point out that ''several'' times recently I have wished for a "watch" button at the top and have been frustrated to have to scroll all the way to the bottom for it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:41, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

:::I'm sure that's true ... but I'm also sure the same could be said about other kinds of things we could add to the top of the page. Any one feature, considered in isolation, would be handy. The question I have is, what features are most useful overall when we consider the opportunity cost of adding them, and what functionality is really gained for that price (for instance, when you say "scroll all the way to the bottom", I hear "press the End key", so (to me, anyway) it seems like the cost outweighs the benefit). For example, I am keeping my own local archive of the Flash files, so I would find it very handy to have the "view the flash file" link at the top of each page. However, considered relative to all the other things that could go at the top, and keeping in mind the clutter burden, I don't think that would be an improvement for the average wiki visitor. And, if we are going to add watch links to the top of every toon article, where do they go and what do they look like? I'm not adamantly opposed to them, but I ''am'' still waiting for somebody to answer these questions! {{User:Bill/sig}} 16:01, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

:::'''Edit conflict''' Well, given that I really don't want to be writing this paper I kind of volunteered to write... I went ahead and picked one template {{tl|sbenav}} and applied it to the first 12 emails. I also did two other things: i applied that same template to the first email so it would wrap around. I also moved any disambugation templates below the nav template so that navigation would be "seamless". At least going forward. I removed the big watch link (i really didn't like it there) but did not add the smaller watch link I proposed above simply because it can be changed later (of course all pages that have the template will need to be refreshed). I agree with Dot com, I think having a link to watch the toon would be most helpful for those of us who like a little convenience. :)--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:05, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
::::<blockquote>I'm not adamantly opposed to them, but I ''am'' still waiting for somebody to answer these questions!</blockquote> Like I mentioned before, I am focusing on one thing at a time. First let's take care of the strong bad emails for they have one format, and then worry about the other toons as they have another format (in this case there's no '''Strong Bad Email #XXX''' to piggyback links to watch toons. If we choose to have watch links by the SBEmails i'm sure that we can find a way to link them to regular toons. I see your point about us potentially including too much clutter, and yes we'll need to draw the line and I think it can be drawn right next to the watch button. I was thinking even that we could use a techinque I've seen been used in signatures:
<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #1 ([http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail1.html w])'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#f2f2f2;border:1px solid #ccc;padding: 5px;font-size:x-small;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[death metal|← death metal]]</td>
<td>[[homsar|homsar →]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
It's smaller and a little less intrusive.
--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:16, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
::Actually, since my screen here is 800x600, and the sbemail template is so large, I have to hit "end" and then "page up" 1 or 2 times to reach it. so that's a whopping 2 or 3 extra keystrokes to get to it! =) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
:::And couldn't you press End to get to the big navigation template, too? Now that I think about it, why would you need to advance through the sbemails so quickly that a link would be necessary at the ''top'' of the page? If someone is searching for something, it would seem to me that there are more efficient ways of doing that. On the other hand, I think a "watch" button would be at least as useful or more useful than navigation buttons. As for where they would go, we have a sample that combines the two ideas, and a similar template could be made for toons that would need a "watch" button only. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:30, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
::::I thought the nav template was proposed for navigation convenience? To browse through the emails one by one and just kinda look at stuff? I thought the purpose of this template [[Talk:Strong_Bad_Email#Navigation_template|was]] [[Talk:Strong_Bad_Email#comments_about_the_presence_of_the_template|settled]] in dicussions above? I do agree though that the watch button is as useful if not more than the nav template. Q: Dot com, what did you mean by "we have a sample that combines the two ideas?" Speaking of discusion, I added a [[Talk:Strong_Bad_Email#further_dicussion|tag]] further down for ease in commenting. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:54, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::I thought it was settled, too. Anyway, if we're okay with the level of terseness used in sigs, here's another (minimalist) idea that combines the nav and the watch link:

'''Strong Bad Email #1   [[death metal|←]] [http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail1.html  ][[homsar|→]]'''

:::::You'll notice I had to cheat to make the text portion of the HR link disappear, and the cheat is apparent when you mouse over it. I assume that could be fixed. {{User:Bill/sig}} 17:07, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#f2f2f2;border:1px solid #ccc;padding: 5px;font-size:x-small;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr>
<td>[[HR:sbemail2.html|watch '''homsar''']]</td>
<td>[[some kinda robot|← some kinda robot]]</td>
<td>[[butt IQ|butt IQ →]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>
:::::''(Edit conflict)'' Stux: A template like the one above. Note that I switched the position of the "watch" and "prev" buttons. Does that help it any? The reason I questioned putting it at the top is that if you're going to be looking at the toon article in any depth, then you're going to be scrolling ''down'' away from the navigation template, and so it wouldn't be on screen when you needed it, and therefore you'd have to scroll to it no matter where it was, ''unless'' you were advancing through several sbemails in a row, which just didn't seem as likely to me. (And I know that that was a proposed use for the template, because way up there is discussion of relative X and Y values between different pages.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:08, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::There's a lot of useful information at the very top: a summary synopsis, the cast of characters, a list places, and usually a screenshot of a defining moment. It may not seem likely to you that somebody would want to quickly click through the emails, but it seems likely to me because I ''do'' it. One of the central ideas underlying the web is that not everyone wants the same thing, or wants to do it in the same way, so we provide different tools for differnt users. Some want to browse. Some want to search. Some want to follow a trail of hyperlinks. Some want to use a master menu as a base of operations. And some — or at least this one — want to click through sequentially. If I'm the only one who does, then by all means let's scrap the idea and go back to a cleaner page layout. Or add your extra watch links. I'm going to take a rest from the discussion now; it's already become too much work for the benefit and I don't have the energy to fight charges of uselessness when I thought the value of the navigation had already been established. I recommend removing the navigation from all the live pages and transplanting this discussion to someplace more central (since it has grown larger than just sbemails). If anyone else still thinks the previous/next navigation has value, then you can hash out the details and put it back in. But if it turns out I'm the only one, then I would have to concede that the usefulness is too narrow to make it part of the site. {{User:Bill/sig}} 17:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::I'm not trying to have the whole idea scrapped. I merely was noticing that the recent examples were missing the "watch" link and was trying to get that put back in, reasoning that such a link was at least as important as the nav links. Obviously we two put different weight on the respective links. But I have no problem with having ''both'' if we're gonna have any. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:46, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::::Actually, all of the versions I posed had a watch button to them. I just didn't include them in the {{tl|sbenav}} template due to the discussion at the time. The above revision is definitely better. I probably should include a list of what I consider to be current "candidates" (starting with the current version):

<table width=100% border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding = 0>
<td align="center" bgcolor=#BFBFBF>'''0'''</td></tr><tr><td>

<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#f2f2f2;border:1px solid #ccc;padding: 5px;font-size:x-small;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|← some kinda robot]]</td>
<td>[[butt IQ|butt IQ →]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>

</td></tr><tr><td align="center" bgcolor=#BFBFBF>'''1'''</td></tr><tr><td>

<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#f2f2f2;border:1px solid #ccc;padding: 5px;font-size:x-small;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[some kinda robot|← some kinda robot]]</td>
<td>[[HR:sbemail2.html|watch '''homsar''']]</td>
<td>[[butt IQ|butt IQ →]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>

</td></tr><tr><td align="center" bgcolor=#BFBFBF>'''2'''</td></tr><tr><td>

<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #3''' ([[HR:sbemail3.html|watch '''{{PAGENAME}}''']])</td>

<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#f2f2f2;border:1px solid #ccc;padding: 5px;font-size:x-small;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[homsar|← homsar]]</td>
<td>[[homestar hair|homestar hair →]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>

</td></tr><tr><td align="center" bgcolor=#BFBFBF>'''3'''</td></tr><tr><td>

<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #3''' ([[HR:sbemail3.html|watch]])</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#f2f2f2;border:1px solid #ccc;padding: 5px;font-size:x-small;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[homsar|← homsar]]</td>
<td>[[homestar hair|homestar hair →]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>

</td></tr><tr><td align="center" bgcolor=#BFBFBF>'''4'''</td></tr><tr><td>

<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #3''' <nowiki>[</nowiki>[[HR:sbemail3.html|watch]]<nowiki>]</nowiki></td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#f2f2f2;border:1px solid #ccc;padding: 5px;font-size:x-small;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[homsar|← homsar]]</td>
<td>[[homestar hair|homestar hair →]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>

</td></tr><tr><td align="center" bgcolor=#BFBFBF>'''5'''</td></tr><tr><td>

<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #1 ([http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail1.html w])'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#f2f2f2;border:1px solid #ccc;padding: 5px;font-size:x-small;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr><td>[[death metal|← death metal]]</td>
<td>[[homsar|homsar →]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>

</td></tr><tr><td align="center" bgcolor=#BFBFBF>'''6'''</td></tr><tr><td>

'''Strong Bad Email #1   [[death metal|←]] [http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail1.html  ][[homsar|→]]'''

</td></tr><tr><td align="center" bgcolor=#BFBFBF>'''7'''</td></tr><tr><td>

<table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2><tr>
<td>'''Strong Bad Email #2'''</td>
<td align=right><table border="1" cellpadding="4" cellspacing="0" style="background:#f2f2f2;border:1px solid #ccc;padding: 5px;font-size:x-small;line-height:100%;border-collapse: collapse;"><tr>
<td>[[HR:sbemail2.html|watch '''homsar''']]</td>
<td>[[some kinda robot|← some kinda robot]]</td>
<td>[[butt IQ|butt IQ →]]</td></tr></table></td>
</tr></table>

</td></tr>
</table>

--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:07, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

=== new thought ===

If I could wish any wish this holiday season, first would be the crap about the kids*, but second would be this: The ability to define an article as part of a named series. All such articles would be numbered to define the sequence within the series, and when displayed, would automatically get "previous" and "next" links in the toolbox, or above or to the right of the title, or someplace like that. Being a software developer, maybe I should look into what it would take to write a wiki extension that does something along these lines. {{User:Bill/sig}} 18:42, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
{{sitelanguagenotice}}
:<nowiki>*</nowiki> Adapted from "A Holiday Wish" [http://jdmbablog.blogspot.com/2004/12/holiday-wish-by-steve-martin.html] by Steve Martin on ''Saturday Night Live''.
::I think that sketch is hilarious and wish I could see it again. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:54, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

=== genericity of the navigation ===

Some more examples to chew upon:

<div style="color:black; background:none; font-weight:normal; margin:0; padding-bottom: .17em; border-bottom:1px solid #aaa; font-size:188%; margin-bottom: .5em;"
class="firstHeading">Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 2.0</div>

{{prevnext|Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 1.0|Version 1.0|Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 3.0|Version 3.0}}

The King of Town unsuccessfully tries to deliver an invitation, Pom Pom talks crazy talk, and Detective Everybody reports that Homestar Runner is dead.

[[Image:MarzipanAnsweringMachineV2.png|thumb|180px|right|Good for screening calls]]
'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Marzipan]], [[Strong Bad]], [[The King of Town]], [[Pom Pom]], [[Homestar Runner]]

. . .
 
<div style="color:black; background:none; font-weight:normal; margin:0; padding-bottom: .17em; border-bottom:1px solid #aaa; font-size:188%; margin-bottom: .5em;"
class="firstHeading">Teen Girl Squad Issue 8</div>

{{prevnext|Teen Girl Squad Issue 7|Issue 7|Teen Girl Squad Issue 9|Issue 9}}

The girls join the Battle of the Bands.

[[Image:Kissy Boots.PNG|200px|thumb|Kissy Boots in action.]]
'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Cheerleader]], [[So and So]], [[What's Her Face]], [[The Ugly One]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Intercom|Intercom]], [[Tompkins]], [[Mrs. So-and-so-erson]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Floor Tom|Floor Tom]], [[Pom Pom]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Fatty|Fatty]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Trolls|Trolls]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#A Shark|A Shark]], [[Strong Bad]] (Easter egg)

. . .
 
There may be some other series that could benefit from this, too; these just seemed like the most obvious. {{User:Bill/sig}} 15:29, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

I've set up new templates that work as follows:

: <nowiki> {{ prevnext | prev-actual-name | prev-show-as | next-actual-name | next-show-as }} </nowiki>

: <nowiki> {{ pn | prev-actual-name | next-actual-name }} </nowiki>

Both are designed to work right before a line or paragraph of text, and will place the navigation box flush right with the text flowing around it.

==== examples ====

{{prevnext|Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 1.0|Version 1.0|Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 3.0|Version 3.0}}
The King of Town unsuccessfully tries to deliver an invitation, Pom Pom talks crazy talk, and Detective Everybody reports that Homestar Runner is dead.

: Uses ''<nowiki> {{prevnext|Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 1.0|Version 1.0|Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 3.0|Version 3.0}} </nowiki>''

{{prevnext|Teen Girl Squad Issue 7|Issue 7|Teen Girl Squad Issue 9|Issue 9}}
The girls join the Battle of the Bands.

: Uses ''<nowiki> {{prevnext|Teen Girl Squad Issue 7|Issue 7|Teen Girl Squad Issue 9|Issue 9}} </nowiki>''

{{pn|some kinda robot|butt IQ}}
'''Strong Bad Email #2'''

: Uses ''<nowiki> {{pn|some kinda robot|butt IQ}} </nowiki>''

{{prevnext|some kinda robot|#1|butt IQ|#3}}
'''Strong Bad Email #2'''

: Uses ''<nowiki> {{prevnext|some kinda robot|#1|butt IQ|#3}} </nowiki>''

{{pn|highschool|homsar}}
I've also been thinking that instead of having special templates for the first and last item in the series, we should just use a single template for everything and let each series "wrap around" at the endpoints. For example, this paragraph contains the proposed navigation for email #1. This means a little more work (for instance, when the next new Strong Bad email is released, we will have one extra step to update [[some kinda robot]] to change its "prev" link from [[highschool]] to the new email), but it should make the template system a lot easier to maintain, as well as giving the users a bit more functionality.

{{User:Bill/sig}} 15:56, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

:I like the wrap-around idea! However, I do think it's probably best to have two separate templates: one for the sbemails (since they have a special format which includes the "Strong bad email #X" title (and can include the ''watch'' versions proposed in the [[Talk:Strong Bad Email#stuxmgs1|discussion above]],) and one for everything else. And yeah it's no big deal to update the prev/next on wrap arounds: (on the old current email, the first, and the new last email). It's just like adding a new element to a wrap-around doubly linked list! ;) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:46, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
==== what's next? ====
::I'll have to think of a way to add the watch link to [[Talk:Strong Bad Email#stuxmgs1|general toons]]. Right now I'm focusing on the emails. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:45, 12 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Strong Bad Emails completed, sirs. What's next? — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 23:14, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
::::Awesome! As discussed above, we were looking into expanding this feature for use in general toons. Dunno if this should continue in a different page or not. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:10, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::An aside: I just thought [[Talk:Strong_Bad_Email/Archive#next_and_previous_E-mail|this dicussion]] I found, was interesting given this current thread. Oh, and I like alliteration. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:01, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::Are we happy with the watch button the side, or did we like it in the middle? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:42, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::At least in my opinion, definitely the side. It was too distracting in the middle. Or something. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:04, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
:'''''This project's final status can be found [[HRWiki:Projects#Navigation_templates|here]].'''''

== new menu ==

When the new rap came out, the email [[geddup noise]] is new again, and the emails newer than that aren't there.
--{{User:Nckinfn04/sig}} 20:31, 9 January 2006 (UTC)
: Even odder: I'm trying to load it, and NO emails are listed, and the "random.bat" button leads to [[HR:undefined|this]] (404'd) page (that is, "undefined", without even so much as a ".html".) [[highschool]] works fine though... when linked from the [[Main Pages]] or externally. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:30, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
::Most works for me... The only glitchy thing is random.bat. It works fine; it just doesn't scroll. I mean, you click it and the screen stays in place, instead of following the cursor. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::I get Jay's error. Very strange {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}}
:::Me too. When I pressed random, it went to undefined but when I pressed it again, it caused my computer to run very slowly. Odd. - [[User_talk:Sahm|talk]] [[User:Sahm|Sahm]] [[Special:Contributions/Sahm|ribs]]
::::I'm having similar problems. Yesterday I couldn't see ''any'' emails listed (and I got a warning dialog saying that Flash was running slowly and was making my computer slow); today the newest one is geddup noise. {{User:Bill/sig}} 16:03, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::For me the entire site has been running '''''very sloooooolyyy''''' (I just checked and the site is back up to 100% speed! I wonder if they were getting a DOS attack or just every desparate H*R fan was hitting the site all at once!). This would explain your problems: the flash files are unable to load the new versions of the .xml files and therefore will either present an error or load an older, cached version. (I too was getting emails up to geddup noise and thought that might be the problem. I didn't use rando though). --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:38, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, the menu is working just fine now (and doesn't seem to be [[Moving Very Slowly]]... very, very slowly... any more.) If it was loading older .xml files from cache, that might explain why I was getting nothing - I keep my cache as small as possible at all times (hit to loading times, but I have a fast enough connection that it's not that bad, and it helps pages refresh faster.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:48, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Fixed it. Just clear your cache. [[Special:Preferences|How?]]
I cleared the cache but it still doesn't scroll. {{User:Salty/sig}} 02:10, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

== roulette ==

On the menu, the roulette dosen't move around, and it doesn't pick a random email. --{{User:Nckinfn04/sig}} 21:53, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
:See the conversation directly above this one. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::Of which you were a part of... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 02:23, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

== External links template ==

I can never remember the verbiage for the external links, and it occurred to me: why don't we have a template for it? So I made one and applied it to the most recent email:

<code><nowiki>{{sbemailextlinks|142|6836}}</nowiki></code> produces this: 
*[[HR:sbemail142.html|watch "secret identity"]]
*[[HR:sbemail142.swf|view the Flash file for "secret identity"]]
*[[Forum:6836|forum thread re: "secret identity"]]

There are a few special cases where the Flash file is different from the HTML file, and the early emails don't have forum threads, so we could also make sbemailextlinks2 and -3 if we wanted. I don't know that it's necessary to convert all the old ones, but it should be helpful on the new ones. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:47, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

:Is it worth it to make it more complicated? I've thought about it before for the info at the top of emails too, but then always talked myself out of it because it seems like it would confuse some for only a small gain (at least for the stuff at the top, this is a better scenario). We could make lots of things easier by using complicated templates, but then the learning curve would increase. I like the idea though, and if others like it too, I wouldn't be against using it. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:23, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

::Well, it saves having to type the name of the toon three times, and I can never remember the wording without looking it up. At the very least, it could be a tool that could be subst'd on each new email. Maybe it could be tweaked (or a "toon" version created) to handle all toons. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:26, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

:::At the '''''*very*''''' least it can be used as a <code>subst:</code> template. If you know about it, you use it, if not you don't. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:12, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

== All emails? ==

Does [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Strong_Bad_Email&diff=247500&oldid=247175 this] number take into account DVD emails or no? I think that information should be explicit. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:08, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
:I think so, I don't see why they wouldn't count those. {{User:Salty/sig}} 04:15, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

== Floppy Disk Container ==

:''This discussion was originally on [[Talk:secret identity]].''

I don't remember now where i got the comment from, but the original Sam & Max comment had been removed because it's in the [[Floppy Disk]] page now. I made the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=secret_identity&diff=248700&oldid=248699 new one] more concise and pointed to the floppy disk page. So what is the precedent for it? Do we simply not mention anything about the floppy disk and simply assume readers know about the floppy disk page (and know where it's at) and will go there to find out what the floppy disk says? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:03, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
:I have often wonder why that page is never mentioned on the email page but far as I know, we don't mention the floppy disks on th email page. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 16:41, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
::Yeah...it seems like the page should be linked ''somewhere'' on the email page. If it was linked, where would that go? In the remarks section? Or could the link be put in a common location on each email page which features a floppy disk? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:05, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
:::''[noting edit conflict due to similarity of ideas]'' You know, this should be fixed. [[Floppy Disk Container]] isn't, as far as I can tell, linked to from anywhere relevant, not even the main [[Strong Bad Email]] navigation template. The best it has going for it is that it's in [[:Category:Strong Bad Email]]. Why not have a one-line mention somewhere in each email that points out what the disk title is and gives a link to FDC? I'm thinking either something in the trivia or up in the stats at the top of the page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:12, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
::I'd go with Remarks/Trivia on each email that features it. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 17:20, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
:::I like the idea of the stats position at the top of each page. For example this week's would have the following:
::::'''Floppy Disk:''' [[Floppy Disk Container|sam and max]]
:::right below '''Page Title'''. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:21, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
::::Regarding the link to FDC: We should have a standard. How about this: <nowiki>[[Floppy Disk Container#<game name>|<game name>]] where <game name> is the name of the game written exactly as it is on the disk label. Then, we should insert corresponding IDs into the rows of the table over at FDC, like this: id="<game name>"</nowiki>. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:29, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::That makes sense...so that the link goes to the relevant floppy. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:32, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::Until we decide where on the email page to link, I'm going to just start adding the id's to the FDC page. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:35, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
::::Perhaps something like...
* The [[Floppy Disk Container]] reads ''sam and max''.
::::And maybe the italized part will... link to the actual section of the Floppy Disc Container page... I don't think it needs a place up at the top, because not all emails have them. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 17:55, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::I give up...I thought I could figure out how to add those invisible ID's, but I need help. Is it literally the text, id="sam and max", for example, or am I missing brackets, etc.? Thanks, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:57, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::Shouldn't we just go with subheaders within the table, as we do with almost every other table-based page? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:06, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::It looks a little redundant to have the two bold headings though...if we add those subheaders, should we unbold the second occurrence? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:17, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::Probably. I noticed this, too. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:18, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::::What about an invisible tag? To my eye, the current bold text is sufficient as a header... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:20, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::How do you make those? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:23, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::Personally, I think the standard headers add too much space to each entry. Dot com's done the id thing before but I don't remember what page he's used it at (probably one of the obscure list page thingys somewhere). I'll check and see if i've linked to it at any point. Or if it's in the help pages. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:24, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::It would've been [[User talk:It's dot com/The System Is Down|here]] if someone had asked already but it's not. I recommend you post an inquiry in his talk page. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:33, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::What, you don't think I would be following this thread? :) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:50, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::Are you kidding? I was ''counting'' on you to answer the question like [[Talk:secret_identity#Past_our_bedtimes|three minutes]] after Trey56 has posed it! ;) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:21, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::::I should be more patient (sorry). By the way, the current tags all link to the top of the table (see [[HRWiki:Sandbox#Test]]), but I'm going to leave this project to somebody who actually knows what s/he's doing. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 19:29, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::::::You seem to be on the right track. Don't give up. :) By the way, the other pages with IDs are [[Quote of the Week|QotW]] and [[Weekly Fanstuff]]. Also, the underscores may be important (I'm not sure) and there are special characters to watch out for (like question marks, etc.), just so you know. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:26, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::::::::If you need/want help with some of the grunt work, gimme something to do. I am looking for a project. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 21:40, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
:Sorry, too many colons. So far, I've added all the tags to [[Floppy Disk Container]], and as soon as we decide where we want the links on the email pages, those need to be added. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:46, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
::I changed the wording in the Trivia section a little. For one, the label on the disk has the writing on it, not the disk container itself. Also, I changed it from italics to quotes. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:10, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

So, the two main options for adding the links to [[Floppy Disk Container]] on the relevant emails follow (please add comments/preferences):
----
<div style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 132%;"> Top-of-page statistics </div>
In this case, the title for [[secret identity]] would look like this:

:'''Strong Bad Email #142'''

:Chris from Laramie, Wyoming, asks Strong Bad if he has any secret identities. Strong Bad discusses several options.

:'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' [[Strong Bad]] , [[The Poopsmith]] , [[Homestar Runner]], [[The King of Town]], [[Bubs]], [[Marzipan]], [[Strong Sad]] (Easter egg)

:'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Bubs' Concession Stand|Bubs' Motor Lodge]], [[Trailer Home]], [[Smoky Office]], [[Marzipan's House]]

:'''Computer:''' [[Lappy 486]]

:'''Date:''' January 25, 2006

:'''Running Time:''' 3:42

:'''Page Title:''' Lappy 486

:'''Floppy Disk:''' [[Floppy Disk Container#sam_and_max|sam and max]]
----
<div style="font-weight: bold; font-size: 132%;"> Trivia section </div>
In this case, the Trivia section of [[secret identity]] would have the following fact:
:* The label on the disk in the floppy disk container reads "[[Floppy Disk Container#sam_and_max|sam and max]]".
----
=== Top-of-page statistics ===
#<s>I second {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 22:11, 26 January 2006 (UTC)</s>
#I third. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 22:34, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
#I fourth. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 00:04, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

=== Trivia section ===
#I like this one better. The Floppy Disk Container is more of a "remark" or "real-world reference" than a vital statistic, and a casual reader might not know what '''Floppy Disk: *a game*''' means. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 22:48, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
#I agree with Homestar Coder. It flows better in a fun fact-type location. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
#It's an inside joke. All other inside jokes go in the fun facts, so why should this one be different? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:33, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
#Y'all are convincing. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:57, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
#I second that notion. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:02, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 00:03, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
# Sounds convincing, so, for now, I'll abstain by voting twice. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 00:46, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
#{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 13:17, 27 January 2006 (UTC) ''Good arguments, switching my vote''
#{{User:E.L. Cool/sig}}
{{clear}}

=== Consensus ===
It looks like the trivia section won out. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:17, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
:Update: they're done. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:23, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

=== Where does the period go? ===
This will probably seem ridiculous to most everybody reading it, but I want to make all the pages consistent. I'm not an English major, so could somebody tell me which of the following is the correct location of the period?
# The label on the disk in the floppy disk container reads "[[Floppy Disk Container#sam_and_max|sam and max]]."
# The label on the disk in the floppy disk container reads "[[Floppy Disk Container#sam_and_max|sam and max]]".
Just wanted to get it right before I made all the changes. Thanks, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:06, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
:The second one. That way there's no confusion as to whether Strong Bad included the period or not. (Of course, if there is ever one with a dot at the end, it would go inside the quotation marks.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:11, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
::Thanks for the help (and sorry to whoever ends up having to patrol all those changes) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:54, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Okay, folks! Cool new fact: According to the W3C, which wins, ID's cannot begin with numbers. So some of the ID's have to be changed, maybe by the discrete insertion of a "id_" before the name (e.g. <code>id="7th_guest</code> -> <code>id="id_7th_guest"</code>). I realize this makes the id's kinda unwieldy and silly, but as they don't affect the content of the page or its meaning I think this is a good overall solution. Please raise here any objections or proposals for modification to this. Thankee! -- [[User:Jweb Guru|Jweb Guru]] 03:28, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

== Unreleased Email ==

When watching [[Sketchbook (video)]], I documented all the writings on paper seen in the video. One of the things appeared to be an unreleased email with The Cheat. Here's what it said:

''at 3:12''

and then as a special treat 
I let The Cheat answer 
some emails 
 
Dear SB, 
Why so glate? 
-Deb Stein 
 
Yeah, man. I'll gnaw your 
face off. 
-Teh C. (repeat) 
 
Oh man, "I'll gnaw your face 
off!" every year it gets 
funnier! Happy The Cheat 
Day Ilko. <s>Here's hopin you</s> 
May never get the 

Is there anywhere that we could put this?
:That's part of the script for [[cheatday]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:: Well, not the "glate" part, but yeah. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:26, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
:::Heh Heh...... Didn't know. That. Thanks for setting me straight. :)-[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 23:35, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

== What is wrong with "Crapfully yours" ==

I don't understand, is he just getting mad about it? It doesnt seem like something one would care about, though I have never sent strong bad an e-mail, I would say crapfully yours.-ken
: He's not getting mad, just exasperated at the extremely old joke. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:16, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

::See [[Crapfully Yours]] for more information. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:30, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

I personally think that it is awesome, genious, and creative just like trogdor is, but nobody is sayin he's old, although, trogdor is sooo much cooler. If you sit down and think about it, you'll thinks it's hillarious, i mean, crapfully yours, hahahahahaha, say, i am gunna make another section about strong badia in the strong badia section, sooo i'll see you there. But i will still check this out.-ken

== Email list: Column length and <tt><autocolumn></tt> ==

I noticed that not long ago, my editing the lengths of the columns in the email list were reverted, and not long after, I noticed that [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] added an <tt><autocolumn></tt> tag. I think that's a good idea, but I don't like how the way it's currently implemented deals with the lengths of the columns. Currently, the first two columns are each one item longer than the second two. When email #149 is released, the way <tt><autocolumn></tt> is set up now, the first column will be one longer than the other ''three''. It seems to me that in any other context, the more usual and more natural method is to have all the columns but the last equal in length, with the last column being shorter. When #149 is released, that would mean the last column would be shorter by three items, but because the others are equal, it looks better than having the first column sort of jutting out at the bottom. (Interestingly, I think I was the first one to convert the list from three columns to four, and it wasn't reverted then.) [[User:Gus|Gus]] 23:49, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

:To clarify, when 149 comes out, you would rather have columns of 38, 38, 38, 35 than the 38, 37, 37, 37 that the <tt><autocolumn></tt> tag would display? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:57, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
::<s>My guess is that you mean to have 37, 37, 37, 38 instead of the 38, 37, 37, 37 which would appear with the autocolumn now. Am I correct Gus?</s> Oops, I think I was wrong and Tom got it right. However I think it looks more even the way it is now. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 00:09, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

::Yes, Tom. Think of it this way: If you think of anywhere else you might see columns of text, you expect each column to go to the very bottom of the page or section or wherever, and have it stop wherever it needs to. Here, though, there is no defined bottom, but 38-38-38-35 gives that effect better than 38-37-37-37. It's more aesthetic. [[User:Gus|Gus]] 00:19, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
::Also, would I be right to assume that <tt><autocolumn></tt> is programmed into the wiki software, and would require access to the wiki source to change the way it renders the list? [[User:Gus|Gus]] 00:24, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

== Running along with ze gags! ==

You know the bit at the top of all the articles about SBemail? like Name: pop-up Characters: Strong Bad and all that? why don't we add a new bit to that with Running Gags: Disconnected phone? --[[User:Jetamoo|Coach J]] 14:04, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
:Well, it is not so prevolent that it appears in *every single* email so to speak. The [[Floppy Disk]] does, but it has its own page and a reference in the fun facts section. That is where that would appear. Moreoever, these should link to the Disconnected phone's page, but it doesn't seem to [[Disconnected Phone|have one]] that I know about. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:03, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

::See [[Disconnected Telephone]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:46, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

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Jweb Guru — Tue, 07 Mar 2006 04:38:51 GMT

Jweb Guru: /* Name */

== [[Weclome|Welcome!]] ==
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Feel free to delete this message when you're done reading it. After all, your user page belongs to you. I know that this Wiki can seem like a big and complicated place at first. Trust me, we all know what that's like! Anyway, I hope this information is helpful to you, and that you'll have a good experience contributing to our knowledge-base and our community.

I mean what I say Really, 
{{User:The thing/sig}}, and "[[HRWiki:Welcoming_committee|The Homestar Runner Wiki Welcoming Committee]]"

:Uh, thanks for the velcome. I've actually been here for a kinda long time, but that's cool. The welcoming thing, and such. And sort of frighteningly efficient, in a frightening way. -[[User:Jweb Guru|Jweb Guru]] 16:07, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

::Y wasn't there a welcome thing on here? --{{User:The thing/sig}} 16:08, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

:::Um, I signed up for this account after we switched from WikiTikiTavi, but I took a hiatus from using it long before the "welcoming committee" thing existed. 'S cool. --[[User:Jweb Guru|Jweb Guru]] 16:22, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

::::In fact, he was the 8th user to sign up on MediaWiki. By comparison, I was 54th. You can find that out on your preferences page at the top, it'll list an Internal ID Number. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 07:27, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

===Name===

Hey Jweb Guru, what's with the username? Why did you choose it, any special meaning, etc...? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 07:27, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
:Hm. Not really. I think I was choosing a Hotmail username and I wanted jwebmaster (Josh webmaster), but apparently Hotmail didn't allowed any address with 'webmaster' in it, so I changed it to 'guru' and it worked. Wish there were a better story, but there ain't. -- [[User:Jweb Guru|Jweb Guru]] 04:38, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

File:Jweb Ibanez Artcore AF75.png

Jweb Guru — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 23:45:52 GMT

Jweb Guru:

{{personal-image|Jweb Guru}}

'''''NOTE:''' This image is in use on a user page, even though it is not linked to in the normal way.''

User talk:The Chort

Jweb Guru — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 18:04:55 GMT

Jweb Guru: /* Image deletion */

== SB Email 51 ==

In your introduction, you said you were watching "[[dragon|SBEmail #51, dragon!]]" Dragon is really email # 58. Is this correct? —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 11:09, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Hey, you're right! I'll just go fix it... — [[User:The Chort|The Chort]] 11:11, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Not Ken==

From the old FAQ:

Q: That drawing of Homestar in the fan section is NOT Michael Jackson like you said. Did you know that? Same with that one you said is Ken from Street Fighter. You guys are wrong!! ''(shortened to "Mistakes on fan art drawings?" in the FAQ body)''
A: We know. We've seen the movie and the cartoon. It's a joke. Now leave us alone.

It was a joke. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:36, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Well, how has I to know that?! I never read the obsolete [[Email FAQ]]. I don't even know what the heck Street Fighter/Dragon Ball Z is! That's it, I'm going to sulk. ''{sulks}'' - [[User:The Chort|The Chort]] 10:52, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Signature ==

Your new sig looks great, but you may want to consider having it link to your userpage instead of just being text. If you need help, feel free to ask. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 17:50, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Whoops! My bad! Hang on a minute....fixed it! {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:54, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Super! {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 17:55, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Interwiki links ==

Hey The Chort. You have a popular name! At least, different versions of it seem to be. By the way, you can use an interwiki link to link to the Fanstuff, like this: <code><nowiki>[[</nowiki>HR'''F'''Wiki:''pagename'']]</code>. So, if you wanted, your sentence on your page could be: ''For the "The Chort" who uses the Fanstuff Wiki (not the same person as me), [[HRFWiki:User:The_Chort|click here]]''. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:21, 21 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, It's dot com! You rock! {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:51, 21 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Tae Kwon Do ==

Wow... your a white belt in Tae Kwon Do, that's cool since I'm a black belt. --[[User:Dantheburgerking|Danny]] 23:43, 3 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, pity white is the lowest belt you can have! {{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:59, 4 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== Birthday Deuce! ==

Combolations on your hundredth birfday! {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 18:19, 12 October 2005 (UTC) 
You look lively! Happy Birthday! {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:51, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Aw, thanks, guys! {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:55, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

== Great jorb! ==

Nice work on taking down that troll earlier! {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 20:18, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

It's all in a day's work! {{User:The Chort/sig}} 12:03, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

== Image Maintenance ==

You have a good eye for noticing subtile differences. Thank you for pointing out all those old and duplicate images scattered throughout the wiki's image gallery. Your efforts help the sysops enforce the [[HRWiki:Image use policy|image use policy]] and we all appreciate your efforts. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 18:46, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

No probalo! {{User:The Chort/sig}} 18:47, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

:Let's only mark for deletion any image that is violating the image policy above (wrong format, poor quality, etc.) or is an ''exact or near exact'' duplicate of another image. The two images you marked for deletion recently were different enough from other images that I coudn't really consider them duplicates. All these images are a big job, though, and I applaud you again for being willing to tackle them. Rock, rock on. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:51, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

::I only tried to delete them because they weren't being used and I thought that they were no longer needed. Meh, maybe someone could add one of them to their user page. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:01, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

:::For the time being, please take "unused on the wiki" out of your list of reasons to mark an image for deletion. It's okay for them to just sit on the server. :) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:33, 26 December 2005 (UTC)

::::Oh, ok. I just thought that if too many unused images were left on the server, the server would run out of space! :) {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:35, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

:::::Nah. When we upgraded to the new server, we got ''gobs'' o' space. w00t! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:37, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

::::::Oh, that's ok, then. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:56, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

== Linking ==

Hey The Chort. I've noticed that a lot if not all of your links on talk pages are external links, [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Help:Link like this], instead of internal links, [[Help:Link|like this]]. Instead of <code><nowiki>[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Help:Link Help:Link]</nowiki></code>, you can (and should) just type <code><nowiki>[[Help:Link]]</nowiki></code>. Hope that helps. :) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:42, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh, right. Okay, then. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:38, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

== YO YO YO ==

YO it's NOT BILLY BOB BOB here to ask you. Have you ever not gotton your SBemail answerd well then send it to me and i'll answer it close to how good ol' SB and mabey i'll includ some crappy microsoft paint drawings...MABEY! But just put your SBemail in my talk pannal. With your name of corse! BYE -NOT Billy Bob Bob

Err...look, NOT BILLY BOB BOB....can I just call you NBBB?....Look NBBB, I don't mean to offend you but '''ARE YOU COMPLETELY NUTS?!''' Wait, don't answer that question. I mean, why would I want to send Strong Bad an email when he pretty much ''answerd'' all my questions in [[sb email 22]]? And even if I ''did'' want my email ''answerd'', why would I even think about sending it to some nutter who can't spell correctly and greets people with "YO YO YO"? I thought that fad died out last decade. Also, I belive Fan Fictions are inferior to the genuine product, which is why I rarely visit to the Fanstuff Wiki. Now quit sending me spam or I'll sue. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:54, 27 October 2005 (UTC)

== Oh-STUFF'd Hundred Hours ==

Hey The Chort. Just curious, but why did you STUFF that fact? It seems like a pretty straightforward explanation to me. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:20, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

:The Chort, when stuffing a fact, you should probably put down an argument for or against so Savings is my left name, Ms. America! — Senor Cardgauge, Senor Mortgage

No, it can't be heaven. There's not enough twinkies. — Strong Bad, Where the Crap are We?

I cut the crust off in the morning light... — Homestar, origins we know why it's being stuffed. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 22:46, 3 November 2005 (UTC)

Sorry for any inconvenience I caused. I just thought the fact was fairly obvious and didn't need mentioning. Like that fact about [[HRWiki:STUFF/Archive/Commandos in the Classroom|R&R]]. And you must know that I had STUFFED the fact just before I had to go to bed so I didn't have time to explain why I STUFFED it. Augh...I knew I was going to regret this idea for the rest of my life...crap {{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:47, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

:Meh, I'm sure you'll get over it. Everybody makes mistakes at some point. Just be sure to include an argument in the future, and everything will be fine. Since it's being overehelmingly and unanimously accepted, I'm gonna go ahead and close the item now. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:50, 4 November 2005 (UTC)

Well, if it's okay with you, I'm gonna stick to voting on STUFF instead of STUFFING the items themselves. It was the first time I ever tried it and I don't know what I was thinking at the time. I only did it because I wanted to be the guy too. But I'm just a kid. Maybe when I'm older... {{User:The Chort/sig}} 11:20, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

==Don't bite==
Please don't bite the anonnies. A simple "reverted" is all that's necessary, especially when someone might have a good reason (at least to him or her) why an edit would be appropriate. Thanks. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:33, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

:Sorry. I've had a rough day. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 19:51, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

::No probalo. Hope your day gets better. :) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

:::It will. I'm going to have a bath and then go to bed! {{User:The Chort/sig}} 19:53, 9 November 2005 (UTC)

== Other ==

Thanks for the Homsar self desctriptions! I appreciate it.--[[User:Homsarroks|Homsarroks]] 18:28, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

You're welcome! {{User:The Chort/sig}} 18:31, 12 November 2005 (UTC)

== Favorites list ==
I love your favorites list.. it's so clean and pretty! --[[User:AndrewNeo|AndrewNeo]] 00:09, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

Thank you! I wanted to keep my user page short and neat, so I used a table. And if you think that's organized, you should see my maths exercise books! {{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:56, 22 November 2005 (UTC)

== Message ==

Thanks for retitling the page I made. I was kind of embarassed by the error. [[Image:homsar_small.PNG]]Homsarroks[[Image:kookysig.gif]] 19:58, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

That's OK. It was the first time (and possibly only) in my life I could legally move a page! {{User:The Chort/sig}} 20:00, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

== The English!? ==

''Original telegram:

''Greetings, Sir Strong Bad! '''STOP'''

''I am from England. '''STOP'''

''What are your thoughts on
the English? '''STOP'''

''Many thanks, '''STOP'''

{{User:The Chort/sig}} '''''STOP'''''

'''What do I think about the English, huh? OH! I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I THINK ABOUT THE ENGLISH!!!... I think their muffins are exemplatory!'''

'''Dapperly yours,'''

'''[[User:Sir Strong Bad|Sir Strong Bad]]'''

Exemwhatnow? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:26, 28 November 2005 (UTC)

('''ex.em.pla.ry:''' ''adj.'' worthy of imitation; commendable; serving as a model.)

== Twelve days ==

I just thought I'd let you know that I'm really enjoying your twelve days of Decemberween. Nevermind the bullocks, {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 16:55, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! I decided to do this for 3 reasons:

# It was shorter than doing an 24 day advent calender.
# It's a great way to getting people to visit regularly.
# It's the perfect excuse for filling up my user page with images.

{{User:The Chort/sig}}e 17:52, 5 December 2005 (UTC)
:I'm enjoying it so far. Keep it up!
{{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 12:59, 7 December 2005 (UTC)
::Whats going to happen on the 13th day of decemberween? {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 07:21, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

I'll probably stop on the 13th. The original song only went up to 12 days. Don't blame me, blame the carol singers! {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:51, 11 December 2005 (UTC)
:NEXT EPISODE CAROL SINGERS, NEXT ''EPISODE!!!!!!!!!!'' {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 20:25, 11 December 2005 (UTC)

::Man, that is one sweet new Christmas carol. I just sang through the whole thing. I'll have to see if I can get the whole family to go through it next time.
::Oh, and I'm just wondering if maybe you want the ninth day to read "nine butts a-dancing" instead of just "nine butts dancing"...? It just seems more rhythmic (and funnier) that way. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 17:24, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

Sure, why not? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 12:50, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

:I think Butts a-grabbing is funnier, but the song is over now. Oh, well. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:41, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

:::Bravo! I thuroughly enjoyed it. It's an idea the is sure to be plagerized for years to come! {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 17:29, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

==To answer your question==
<s>I believe that it is true that the DVD came out before the CD, however, the bonus extra was made before a final cover was picked.</s>. I was wrong. The DVD came out about a week before the CD. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 18:11, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
:Rogue, you were wrong about your wrongness. Did you take a look at the '''year''' of the dates? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:16, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

== Song ==

Good song! No, I really don't think Simon Cowell would tear you apart. [[User:Bluebry muffin|Bluebry muffin]] 20:32, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

:Thank you! It was actually just a version of ''"If you're happy and you know it, clap your hands"'' I thought up on the spot. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 20:34, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

::Yeh, I noticed that. BTW, can YOU find all of the eggs? [[User:Bluebry muffin|Bluebry muffin]] 22:11, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

:::Probably not. I'm too busy working the wiki and playing MMORPGs. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 22:18, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

== cool people ==
It would be awsome if you put a cool people list on your page. {{User:The thing/sig}} 22:05, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

:Maybe I'll think about it ''{yawns}'' tomorrow. I'm tired. Zzzzzz... {{User:The Chort/sig}} 22:15, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

::Well... --{{User:The thing/sig}} 19:50, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

:::I've decided not to. I bet you've only asked me to add a cool people list so you can be on it. Am I right? Remember that little chat you had with [[User Talk:E.L. Cool|E.L. Cool]]? We don't want Awesome Users lists to become the next Guestbook fad, do we? Besides, I'm going to do a Caption Contest instead. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 18:17, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
::::O' I remember the E.L. cool chat but uh... this time it's different that was the past. --{{User:The thing/sig}} 21:30, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

== Hey. ==

I've been checking back regularly ever since your "12 Days of Decemberween" song. Now I'm a user and I'd like to say hello! --[[User:Nintendostar_Runner|Nintendostar_Runner]]

Hello! {{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:30, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

== Images ==

If you're uploading an image that should replace an existing one, go to the original one and click the "Upload a new version of this file" link near the bottom. Whatever you upload there will replace the original one. That way, the sysops won't have so many images to delete. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 18:26, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

What? I have never uploaded an image in my entire life! I can't spell you! {{User:The Chort/sig}} 18:28, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

:Never mind. I thought you had uploaded [[:Image:PomPomSkipper2.PNG]], as a replacement for [[:Image:PomPomSkipper.PNG]] and then marked the latter one for deletion. I'm going to back and revert what I thought was fixing your mistakes. (You didn't actually make any.) {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 18:32, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

:Oh, ok then. Nevermind the Bullocks, eh? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 18:37, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

== HRWIKI:Welcome ==

Why did you delete it saying "Messed up user?" {{User:The thing/sig}}

:I marked it for deletion with "user messed up" because I thought you made a mistake. I thought you accidently created a page that wasn't needed. Come to think of it, it does sound a bit rude. I better change it. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:10, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

== Good Bye ==

I've been writeing long messages to people about this but I'm just gonna cut to the chase: Good Bye I'm leaving if you want to say your bye do it on my talk page and do it soon because I leave saterday
-{{User:NOT Billy Bob Bob/sig}} 21:04, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

== Caption Contest ==

Hey there, The Chort! I'd like to let you know some information about your Caption Contest. Although I really like the idea, you need to move it elsewhere. [[User:Seriously|Seriously]] did the same thing with the competition. You will either need to move it to your talk page or the [[HRFWiki:|Fanstuff]]. Just thought I'd bring this up. See [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki_talk:Guestbooks&diff=255140&oldid=254401 this discussion], if anything else pops up. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 17:33, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

:I knew this would happen eventually. Sadly, I don't have a Fanstuff account and if I wanted to create one, I'd have to choose a different name because there's already a The Chort there! I bet he hasn't been on for months now. Ok then. I'll move it to this here talk page. But not just now. I'm busy. Playing a game. Warbears or something like that... {{User:The Chort/sig}} 18:35, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

::Hey, no problem, man. Nice doin' business with you. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 18:39, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

== Dummy edits. ==

Hi man, no need to edit your page for updates to be seen. Just purge it. I have a purge botton at the top of my page for those cases. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:47, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

:Purge the whatnow? Oh, right, clear the browser's history somehow. Ok, I'll just go and add a purge button onto my toolbox. You know, just in case I ever need to use it. 
:Isn't technology amazing/confusing/magic? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 18:29, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

== Image deletion ==

The Chort, where do you intend to get the image from? I'm using background-image, which has been implemented to only use images on this server, first of all. Secondly, it's my one user image. Thirdly, I don't believe an equivalent transparent image is available.

I apologize if there's an obvious reason for marking it for deletion, I just don't see it at the moment. -- [[User:205.222.248.72|205.222.248.72]] 17:31, 3 March 2006 (UTC) (Jweb Guru, no time to log in)

:Hang on, I gotta eat dinner now. I'll answer later. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:32, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

::Er, doesn't it take as long to say "no time to log in" and "I'll answer later" as it would to just log in and answer now? But never mind that. ;) The image should not be marked for deletion or as abandoned, because it is currently in use on his user page (although it's not linked to in the normal way, so that's where the confusion arose). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:53, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

:::::'''Edit Conflict''' Ok, I'm back. I'm not exactly sure what you're talking about so I'll explain what I did and why I did it. Firstly, I marked [[:Image:276001.jpg]] as abandoned as it wasn't being used on your user page. Maybe I should have asked for your consent before I added that. Secondly, I tried to add a To Be Deleted tag onto [[:Image:Jweb Ibanez Artcore AF75.png]] because I thought that you had replaced it with an identical image which was held on a different server. I guess I messed up pretty good. I'm sorry for any confusion caused, including my own. I've been here for over half a year and I'm still not sure how this wiki works! Oh, and BTW, I really had to go downstairs and eat dinner. It's almost 18:00 over here in England and I still live with my parents, you know! I'm 15! {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:57, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

:::::: [[User:The Chort|The Chort]]: Okay, cool. Thanks for adding TBD to the other image, by the way, it needed it (but consent, or at least notification, would be cool in the future). [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]], I just couldn't waste the time to log on, because I'm at a public terminal and would have had to log off, taking even more time. Does look a little silly, though.

File:Jweb Ibanez Artcore AF75.png

Jweb Guru — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 17:37:28 GMT

Jweb Guru: Reverting TBD until The Chort tells all

{{personal-image|Jweb_Guru}}

Reverting the abandoned and deletion bit pending The Chort's explanation.

User:Jweb Guru

Jweb Guru — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 03:24:44 GMT

Jweb Guru: And making it validate

<div id="mainjwebpage" style="border:1px solid black; padding:0.5em; background:url('/images/a/a1/Jweb_Ibanez_Artcore_AF75.png') no-repeat #efe;background-position:center;color:#000">
= My Userpage =

== About Me ==

Howdy. I was around back in the day. Good times.

== Standards ==

Web standards are good. Use them.

== Guitar ==
I like to play the [[guitar]]. The image featured here is one of the same model as my own favorite (the Ibanez Artcore AF75 Semihollow-body Electric Guitar, Brown Sunburst Model).

== Rustic Monologue ==

<del>Hokay, this is addressed to anyone with access to HRWiki's source code:</del>

<del>So there's this [http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/doc//__filesource/fsource_MediaWiki_Parser_includesSanitizer.php.html#a567 one tiny annoying line] in the MediaWiki source code that's preventing background-images from working in inline stylesheets. This is not cool. Please, oh pretty please, take out that line and the self-admitted haxx0r immediately following it. It will make background-images work nicely, make everyone happy, and ''almost certainly'' won't cause any problems (I hope).</del>
'''Thanks so much, [[User:Tom|Tom]] and [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]], for actually doing this (or something similar)!'''

</div>

User:Jweb Guru

Jweb Guru — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 03:19:25 GMT

Jweb Guru: Er, really getting it right this time.

<div id="mainjwebpage" style="border:1px solid black; padding:0.5em; background:url('/images/a/a1/Jweb_Ibanez_Artcore_AF75.png') no-repeat #efe;background-position:center;color:#000">
= My Userpage =

== About Me ==

Howdy. I was around back in the day. Good times.

== Standards ==

Web standards are good. Use them.

== Guitar ==
I like to play the [[guitar]]. The image featured here is one of the same model as my own favorite (the Ibanez Artcore AF75 Semihollow-body Electric Guitar, Brown Sunburst Model).

== Rustic Monologue ==

<del>Hokay, this is addressed to anyone with access to HRWiki's source code:

So there's this [http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/doc//__filesource/fsource_MediaWiki_Parser_includesSanitizer.php.html#a567 one tiny annoying line] in the MediaWiki source code that's preventing background-images from working in inline stylesheets. This is not cool. Please, oh pretty please, take out that line and the self-admitted haxx0r immediately following it. It will make background-images work nicely, make everyone happy, and ''almost certainly'' won't cause any problems (I hope).</del>
'''Thanks so much, [[User:Tom|Tom]] and [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]], for actually doing this (or something similar)!'''

</div>

User:Jweb Guru

Jweb Guru — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 03:11:33 GMT

Jweb Guru: Getting the namey-name right.

<div id="mainjwebpage" style="border:1px solid black; padding:0.5em; background:url('/images/a/a1/Jweb_Ibanez_Artcore_AF75.png') no-repeat #efe;background-position:center;color:#000">
= My Userpage =

== About Me ==

Howdy. I was around back in the day. Good times.

== Standards ==

Web standards are good. Use them.

== Guitar ==
I like to play the [[guitar]]. The image featured here is one of the same model as my own favorite (the Ibanez Artcore AF75 Semihollow-body Electric Guitar, Brown Sunburst Model).

== Rustic Monologue ==

<del>Hokay, this is addressed to anyone with access to HRWiki's source code:

So there's this [http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/doc//__filesource/fsource_MediaWiki_Parser_includesSanitizer.php.html#a567 one tiny annoying line] in the MediaWiki source code that's preventing background-images from working in inline stylesheets. This is not cool. Please, oh pretty please, take out that line and the self-admitted haxx0r immediately following it. It will make background-images work nicely, make everyone happy, and ''almost certainly'' won't cause any problems (I hope).</del>
'''Thanks so much, [[User:Tom|Tom]] and [[User:It's dot com|It's Dot Com]], for actually doing this (or something similar)!'''

</div>

User:Jweb Guru

Jweb Guru — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 02:54:17 GMT

Jweb Guru: Yay, transparency!

<div id="mainjwebpage" style="border:1px solid black; padding:0.5em; background:url('/images/a/a1/Jweb_Ibanez_Artcore_AF75.png') no-repeat #efe;background-position:center;color:#000">
= My Userpage =

== About Me ==

Howdy. I was around back in the day. Good times.

== Standards ==

Web standards are good. Use them.

== Guitar ==
I like to play the [[guitar]]. The image featured here is one of the same model as my own favorite (the Ibanez Artcore AF75 Semihollow-body Electric Guitar, Brown Sunburst Model).

== Rustic Monologue ==

<del>Hokay, this is addressed to anyone with access to HRWiki's source code:

So there's this [http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/doc//__filesource/fsource_MediaWiki_Parser_includesSanitizer.php.html#a567 one tiny annoying line] in the MediaWiki source code that's preventing background-images from working in inline stylesheets. This is not cool. Please, oh pretty please, take out that line and the self-admitted haxx0r immediately following it. It will make background-images work nicely, make everyone happy, and ''almost certainly'' won't cause any problems (I hope).</del>
'''Thanks so much, [[User:Tom|Tom]] and [[User:Dot Com|Dot Com]], for actually doing this (or something similar)!'''

</div>

File:Jweb Ibanez Artcore AF75.png

Jweb Guru — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 02:21:38 GMT

Jweb Guru: {{personal-image|Jweb_Guru}}

User:Jweb Guru

Jweb Guru — Fri, 03 Mar 2006 01:40:02 GMT

Jweb Guru: Testing, this should have a background-image if and when they work.

<div id="mainjwebpage" style="background-image:url('/images/6/6f/276001.jpg')">
= My Userpage =

== About Me ==

Howdy. I was around back in the day. Good times.

== Standards ==

Web standards are good. Use them.

== Guitar ==
[[Image:276001.jpg|Ibanez Artcore AF75 Semihollow-body Electric Guitar, Brown Sunburst Model|Ibanez Artcore AF75 Semihollow-body Electric Guitar, Brown Sunburst Model]]

== Rustic Monologue ==

Hokay, this is addressed to anyone with access to HRWiki's source code:

So there's this [http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/doc//__filesource/fsource_MediaWiki_Parser_includesSanitizer.php.html#a567 one tiny annoying line] in the MediaWiki source code that's preventing background-images from working in inline stylesheets. This is not cool. Please, oh pretty please, take out that line and the self-admitted haxx0r immediately following it. It will make background-images work nicely, make everyone happy, and ''almost certainly'' won't cause any problems (I hope).

</div>

User:Jweb Guru

Jweb Guru — Thu, 02 Mar 2006 04:58:50 GMT

Jweb Guru: Attention! Calling all Coders!

<div id="mainjwebpage" style="background-image: url(images/6/6f/276001.jpg)">
= My Userpage =

== About Me ==

Howdy. I was around back in the day. Good times.

== Standards ==

Web standards are good. Use them.

== Guitar ==
[[Image:276001.jpg|Ibanez Artcore AF75 Semihollow-body Electric Guitar, Brown Sunburst Model|Ibanez Artcore AF75 Semihollow-body Electric Guitar, Brown Sunburst Model]]

== Rustic Monologue ==

Hokay, this is addressed to anyone with access to HRWiki's source code:

So there's this [http://wikipedia.sourceforge.net/doc//__filesource/fsource_MediaWiki_Parser_includesSanitizer.php.html#a567 one tiny annoying line] in the MediaWiki source code that's preventing background-images from working in inline stylesheets. This is not cool. Please, oh pretty please, take out that line and the self-admitted haxx0r immediately following it. It will make background-images work nicely, make everyone happy, and ''almost certainly'' won't cause any problems (I hope).

</div>

User:Jweb Guru/monobook.css

Jweb Guru — Mon, 27 Feb 2006 15:59:32 GMT

Jweb Guru: Translucency is fun

#p-cactions li {
opacity:0.7;
}

#p-cactions ul li:hover {
opacity:1.0
}

User:Elcool

Jweb Guru — Mon, 27 Feb 2006 02:27:55 GMT

Jweb Guru: Help Me Validate!

[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:E.L._Cool&action=purge Hold it. Control it. And buttons, come on, let's see you purge it!]
{{User:E.L. Cool/sfotdowos}}
I. Hate. Sauerkraut!
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{{clear}}
==A Little [[User:E.L. Cool/otherhebsigs|']]Bout Myself==
[[Image:DndElcool.PNG|thumb|This goes to [[Minor_Teen_Girl_Squad_Characters#D_N.27D_Greg|DnD Greg]]: Hey! Quit bitin my style!]]

Hello. My name is E.L. Cool and this is my user space. I live in [[Wikipedia:Israel|Israel]] in a city called [[Wikipedia:Rishon LeZion|Rishon LeZion]]. I'm 18 years old and I am currently in the 12th grade. I look allot like DnD Greg - I have long (blonde) hair and quite skinny, but with glasses. If you asked me what is my favorite [[Toons|toon]] or [[Strong Bad Email]] I would have to answer like [[Strong Bad]] in [[personal favorites]]: ''"I love them all!"''. On the contrary, I do have favorite characters. Those are [[Strong Sad]] and [[The Poopsmith]]. If you ever chatted with me on the [[HRWiki:IRC channel|IRC channel]] you'd know I quote the site a lot, ranging from obscure ones like ''"[[impression|Those were moist towelettes!]]"'' to the more common one like ''"[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4|Grood]]"''.

I first saw Homestar Runner when it got linked from a forum I was a member in. The first official thing I saw was the [[Intro]], then [[First Time Here?]]. From there I think I followed [[A Jorb Well Done]], but I don't really remember. The last email at that time was ether [[japanese cartoon]] or [[dragon]]. I also was a member of [http://www.homestarrunner.net/ .net] until its last days. I have the navy [[Homestar Runner]] cap, [[strongbad email.exe]] 1-3 and [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits]].

My interests other then H-star-R are the TV serieses [[Wikipedia:South Park|South Park]], [[Wikipedia:Law & Order|Law & Order]], [[Wikipedia:Samurai Jack|Samurai Jack]] and other animations. I listen to music by [[Wikipedia:"Weird Al" Yankovic|"Weird Al" Yankovic]], [[Wikipedia:Da Vinci's Notebook|Da Vinci's Notebook]], [[Wikipedia:The Presidents of the United States of America (band)|The Presidents of the United States of America]], [http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%A2_%D7%94%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%A0%D7%91%D7%95%D7%AA_%D7%A9%D7%9C_%D7%93%D7%A8%27_%D7%A7%D7%A1%D7%A4%D7%A8 Dr. Kasper's Rabbit Show] and other obscure bands. I read alot of webcomics, most of them can be found on [http://elcool.pbwiki.com/ComicsList this list] and sometime I ''will'' start my own webcomic called '''Ptitim Online'''. I'm also in a club called Yapa Vamar whom I made a wiki to, but it got closed. The Yapa Vamar Wiki shall rize again!

Note to other wikiers and IRC users: I'm doing what you can call, a graveyard shift. I edit at times when US and Canada timezones are at night. Therefor, the only times I'm readily available for instant chats or problem solving are early mornings and late nights in Eastern time zones.

{{User:E.L._Cool/sig}} [[HRWiki:Featured Article Selection|.]] {{User:E.L. Cool/hebsig}}

==What's with the name[[User:E.L. Cool/test2|?]]==
{{User:E.L. Cool/userbox}}
====The meaning of the name====
Well, let's break it down into pieces:

{| border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="2" style="border-collapse:collapse"
|-style="background-color:white;font-size:400%;text-align:center"|
|'''''E'''''||'''''.'''''||'''''L'''''||'''''.'''''|| ||'''''Cool'''''
|-
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|-style="text-align:center";
|My first initial||Dot||My last initial||Dot||Space||A megalomanian adjective
|}

Notice that there is no space between the '''''E.''''' and the '''''L.'''''. This is because my name is like myself: One. No separation.

====Evolution of the name====
#6th grade: E.L. Cool (Original name.)
#7th grade: e_l_cool ([[Wikipedia:Hotmail|Hotmail]] acount. Now closed.)
#8th grade: elcool (This change was forced because of forum limitations.)
#9th grade: Elcool ([[Wikipedia:ICQ|ICQ]] and another forum acounts.)
#10th grade: elcoolium (Thought this would be a nice change. [[Wikipedia:Gmail|Gmail]] acount.)
#11th grade: E.L. Cool of the Elcoolium Order of Greatness (full and official name. Used in [[Wikipedia:MSN Messenger|MSN Messenger]].)
#12th grade: E.L. Cool (Back to my roots.)

====Usage of the name====
*E.L. Cool: Formal username.
*E.L. Cool of the Elcoolium Order of Greatness: Formal full internet name.
*Elcool: Friendlier, faster to write name.

====The name in Hebrew====
*א.ל. קול: Same as E.L. Cool.
*אי אל קול: Phonetic reading of E.L. Cool.
*א.ל. קול ממסדר אלקוליום לגדולה: Same as Elcoolium of the Elcoolium Order of Greatness.
*אלקול: Same as Elcool.

==Project GHIIQ (pronounced ghick)[[User:E.L. Cool/templates|:]] Getting Homestar Into Israel, Quickly!==
[[Image:fifty.PNG|thumb|336px|And coming in at number 48.. It's Homestar!!]]
Currently working on spreading the Homestarmania here in [[Wikipedia:Israel|Israel]] by making the Israeli Homestar Runner page in the [http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A2%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%93_%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%A9%D7%99 Hebrew Wikipedia]! Check it out (If you can...) [http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%94%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%A1%D7%98%D7%90%D7%A8_%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%A0%D7%A8 here] 
Check ''this'' out: [http://www.google.com Google] the words: '''Homestar Israel'''.

===Project Timeline===
This is the time line of the project since it began on 18.6.05.

'''Last Updated:''' 15.1.06.
{{clear}}
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*18.6: Just finished the main characters and in the middle of TGS.
*19.6: Finished SCC and 1936. Can't wait to start on 20X6 :)
*22.6: Done with X6, started Cheat Commandos, but had to do other stuff. Will finish it later this day.
**Done. Next: Dangeresque.
*23.6: Dangeresque is done. What's next? Are there any more character "worlds" I need to cover? Or sould I start with site history now?
**[[Peasantry]]! How could I forget?
*24.6: Trogdor and Friends translated to Hebrew very nicely. What next about the minor characters? Maybe Li'l Brudder.
**<strike>Side note: I don't like it that Stinkoman and Trogdor got more lines than any main character. I need to change it sometime. Maybe tommorow; after all, Brudder isn't that big a toon, is he?</strike> (Done)
*1.7: Once the wiki went up again, done the Strong Bad Email section. Lookin' preaty good.
*2.7: PBTC and MAM are over, dude. Puppet stuff and Holiday specials tomorrow.
*3.7: Done with that. Is there enything else about the toons? I would realy like to start on the music section. (This thing is going to be bigger than the one in Wikipeida!! :D)
*6.7: Started completing the main characters. Homestar and Marzipan done. Will do the others when I come back from my driving lessons.
**On about midnight I've Pom Pom too.
*8.7: Strong Bad. Broke up with my girl. Baaaa...(In Hebrew that "baaaa" would have a hard A. Like a sound of puke.)
*9.7: I gave 'em a good ol' kick in The Cheat.
**Util CSI, made Strong Man Strong Sad.
*10.7: :'''COACH Z:''' Well we're good friends.
:'''BUBS:''' But don't you steal my napkins.
:'''COACH Z:''' I got fresh jams.
:'''BUBS:''' But I get all the royalties.
:'''COACH Z:''' ''{talking}'' I never agreed to that.
*11.7: Sorry, no update today. Going to the [http://www.maccabiusa.com/israel.htm Maccabiah] opening!
*12.7: I feel like [[Whatsit]].. The Kot and his Poopsmith are ready and done.
*13.7: The main 12 are here as of now that I finnished Homsar. Tommorow: The worl... I mean the site's history!
*14.7: Woho!! Guess who made it to the fiftyth longest articles it Hebrew Wikipeida and not even finished his project? I DID!! (Oh, and I wrote the site's history...)
*15.7: The music section is a pretty big one. Took me a while to collect all the data from this wiki.. And this article is now at number 37 for the longest.
*17.7: I don't like my new games section. Too short.
*13.8: Almost a month without an update. Lazy! Lazy Elcool! Go to bed and no Homestar for a week!
*17.8: After a month of no updates, I made the section about Easter Eggs and secret pages. (I think the English Wikipeidia need to translate ''my'' article. it's much more detailed)
*11.9: A new section if done: [[Store]]. Give it up of number 20 on Hebrew Wikipedia's longest artical!
*28.9: I nominated it to be a featured article on Hebrew Wikipedia. If you can read Hebrew, you can watch the votes <strike>[http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94:%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%92%D7%90%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9C%D7%94%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%92#.D7.94.D7.A6.D7.A2.D7.95.D7.AA: here]</strike>. Corrent status: 1 votes '''for'''.
*1.10: The article went up to a higher level of voting, although no one else have voted for it. From now on, you can watch the votes in <strike>[http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94:%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%94%D7%95%D7%A1%D7%A4%D7%94_%D7%9C%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%9D#.D7.94.D7.95.D7.9E.D7.A1.D7.98.D7.90.D7.A8_.D7.A8.D7.90.D7.A0.D7.A8 here]</strike>.
*2.10: '''For''': 1; '''Against''': 1; '''Maybe''': 1.
*4.10: '''For''': 1; '''Against''': 2; '''Maybe''': 1.
*5.10: '''For''': 1; '''Against''': 4; '''Maybe''': 1. (Well, at least they give me some pointers..)
*16.10: The votes are done, and declined. An archived version of the votes can be found [http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94:%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%94%D7%95%D7%A1%D7%A4%D7%94_%D7%9C%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%9B%D7%99%D7%95%D7%9F_3#.D7.94.D7.95.D7.9E.D7.A1.D7.98.D7.90.D7.A8_.D7.A8.D7.90.D7.A0.D7.A8 here]. The pointers:
**Urgent need for grammer check by someone familiar with the subject.
**Too Hebrish.
**Too list-like and too long.
*28.10: Put it up for a clean-up.
*5.11: Remembered to post the update above :P
*15.1: [[User:Tom|Tom]] updated the [http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%AA%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%94:Homestar_Runner_logo.png logo] to the new one.
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==Me and the Wiki==
<table>
<tr>
<th> Current Projects[[User:E.L. Cool/facts|:]] </th>
<th> Ongoing projecs: </th>
<th> Past projects: </th>
</tr>
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*Standarizing [[Other Costumes]] with [[User:Joshua|Joshua]].
**Putting all the costumes in chronological order. Pages done:
***[[Bubs Other Costumes|Bubs]] {{tick}}
***[[The King of Town Other Costumes|The King of Town]] {{tick}}
***[[Teen Girl Squad Other Costumes|TGS]] {{tick}}
***[[Cheat Commandos Other Costumes|Commandos]] {{tick}}
***[[Little Strong Sad Other Costumes|Lil Strong Sad]] {{tick}}
***[[Coach Z Other Costumes|Coach Z]] {{tick}}
***[[Homsar Other Costumes|Homsar]] {{tick}}
***[[The Poopsmith Other Costumes|The Poopsmith]] {{tick}}
***[[Strong Mad Other Costumes|Graw Mad]] {{tick}}
***[[Marzipan Other Costumes|Marzipan]] {{tick}}
***[[Sweet Cuppin' Cakes Other Costumes|Cuppin' Cakes]] {{tick}}
***[[20X6 Other Costumes|20X6]] {{tick}}
***[[Old-Timey Other Costumes|Old-Timey]] {{tick}}
*[[Everybody to the Limit Visuals|Finish]] several stubs.
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<td valign="top">
*Standardizing [[HRWiki talk:Standards#Image Standards|images]] with [[User:Homestar Coder|Homestar Coder]]
**Gallery pages done:
***[[Games]] {{tick}}
***[[Items]] {{tick}}
***[[Characters]] {{tick}}
***[[Arrow'd Guy]] {{tick}}
***[[Places]] {{tick}}
*Adding [[Other Costumes]] as I see them. (58 costumes added)
**Complete pages made by me:
***[[Other Costumes#Teen Girl Squad|Teen Girl Squad]] {{tick}}
***[[Other Costumes#Cheat Commandos|Cheat Commandos]] {{tick}}
*general [[HRWiki:WikiGnome|gnoming]].
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<td valign="top">
*Made [[Rejected Characters|Old Characters]]. My first page creation. {{tick}}
*Adding [[:Template:Film|Film]] template to every toon, email, answering machine, menu, and anything with filmography categories beneath it. {{tick}}
*Standardizing [[Peasant's Quest Responses]]. {{tick}}
*Making [[Template:featuredarticle|Featured Article]] template and all the things [[:Category:Featured articles|around it]]. {{tick}}
*Making and listing of [[Strong Bad Hurting Strong Sad]].{{tick}}
*Splitting [[Other Costumes]]. {{tick}}
*Making [[Hanging Objects]] page. {{tick}}
*Transcribing [[Homestar vs. Other Little Girl]]. {{tick}}
*De-stubbed [[Trogdor]]. {{tick}}
*Transcribed the Easter egg in [[The Cheatar]]. {{tick}}
*Made [[Pizza]] {{tick}}
*Made [[Hyperactive Strong Sad]] {{tick}}
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</tr>
</table>

==List O[http://elcool.pbwiki.com/WereDrunk '] Very Awesome Users==

''(Listed in alphabetical order}''
*[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] - I like to think of him as the glue that keep us together.
*[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] - Helped me fix up my page; One of the best admins ever.
*[[User:Bubsty|Bubsty]] - Showed me the code for scrolling text in my userpage.
*[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] - Helped me fix up my page.
*[[User:FireBird|FireBird]] - I can't tell you why he's awesome, but he is.
*[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] - Helped me fix up my page.
[[Image:kinggame_win.png|right|100px]]
*[[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] - Great guy. <s>Owes me cupcakes</s>. Not no more!
*[[User:Homestar Coder|Homestar Coder]] - Helped me with my image caption project.
*[[User:Homestramy20|Homestramy20]] - One of my best buddies on the wiki; Chatted with regularly.
*[[user:It's dot com|It's dot com]] - Helped me fix up my page; One of the best admins ever; Made [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Glossary&oldid=197490 HRWiki:Glossery] on my suggestion.
*[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] - The best person to ever walk this planet.
*[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] - Helped me with [[Other Costumes]].
[[Image:Pewtervanburen.PNG|right]]
*[[User:Kookykman|Kookykman]] - Gave me the [[User:Kookykman/vanburen|'''Pewter Van Buren Award''']] for the cleanup type job I did on [[Trogdor]].
*[[User:Lapper|Lapper]] - Helped me fix up my page; One of my best buddies on the wiki; Helped (and made) my Babel.
*[[User:Rainer|Rainer]] - Helped me fix up my page; I took the HTML logo he created (below).
*[[User:Rogue Leader|Rogue Leader]] - Helped me fix up my page.
*[[User:Smileyface11945|Smileyface11945]] - Helped and encouraged me to create [[Hanging Objects]].
*[[user:Some HSR themed username|Some HSR themed username]] - Helped me fix up my page.
*[[User:Stu|Stu]] - Great guy, Übergeek.
*[[User:Thesmokingmonkey|Thesmokingmonkey]] - A very nice guy with cool Easter eggs on his page; I liked helping defending his great [[Pasta Salad]] page.
*[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] - Helped me fix up my page; A great fellow and one of the best buddies here; Two times translation contest winner.
'''''You guys rock.'''''

== Disgusting little chit-chats ==
I know I'm not a [[The Paper|man with green and white stripes]], but I do like to talk! We can discuss stuff via:
#[[User talk:E.L. Cool|My talk page]]
#[mailto:elcoolium@gmail.com My email]
#[irc://irc.freenode.net/hrwiki IRC chat channels]
#[[Wikipedia:MSN Messenger|MSN Messenger]] at e_l_cool@hotmail.com
#[[Wikipedia:Rishon LeZion|Rishon LeZion]]: Why not meet face to face?
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User:Elcool

Jweb Guru — Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:37:10 GMT

Jweb Guru: Reverting to second, third wrong. Almost validates.

[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:E.L._Cool&action=purge Hold it. Control it. And buttons, come on, let's see you purge it!]
{{User:E.L. Cool/sfotdowos}}
I. Hate. Sauerkraut!
__TOC__
{{clear}}
==A Little [[User:E.L. Cool/otherhebsigs|']]Bout Myself==
[[Image:DndElcool.PNG|thumb|This goes to [[Minor_Teen_Girl_Squad_Characters#D_N.27D_Greg|DnD Greg]]: Hey! Quit bitin my style!]]

Hello. My name is E.L. Cool and this is my user space. I live in [[Wikipedia:Israel|Israel]] in a city called [[Wikipedia:Rishon LeZion|Rishon LeZion]]. I'm 18 years old and I am currently in the 12th grade. I look allot like DnD Greg - I have long (blonde) hair and quite skinny, but with glasses. If you asked me what is my favorite [[Toons|toon]] or [[Strong Bad Email]] I would have to answer like [[Strong Bad]] in [[personal favorites]]: ''"I love them all!"''. On the contrary, I do have favorite characters. Those are [[Strong Sad]] and [[The Poopsmith]]. If you ever chatted with me on the [[HRWiki:IRC channel|IRC channel]] you'd know I quote the site a lot, ranging from obscure ones like ''"[[impression|Those were moist towelettes!]]"'' to the more common one like ''"[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4|Grood]]"''.

I first saw Homestar Runner when it got linked from a forum I was a member in. The first official thing I saw was the [[Intro]], then [[First Time Here?]]. From there I think I followed [[A Jorb Well Done]], but I don't really remember. The last email at that time was ether [[japanese cartoon]] or [[dragon]]. I also was a member of [http://www.homestarrunner.net/ .net] until its last days. I have the navy [[Homestar Runner]] cap, [[strongbad email.exe]] 1-3 and [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits]].

My interests other then H-star-R are the TV serieses [[Wikipedia:South Park|South Park]], [[Wikipedia:Law & Order|Law & Order]], [[Wikipedia:Samurai Jack|Samurai Jack]] and other animations. I listen to music by [[Wikipedia:"Weird Al" Yankovic|"Weird Al" Yankovic]], [[Wikipedia:Da Vinci's Notebook|Da Vinci's Notebook]], [[Wikipedia:The Presidents of the United States of America (band)|The Presidents of the United States of America]], [http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%A2_%D7%94%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%A0%D7%91%D7%95%D7%AA_%D7%A9%D7%9C_%D7%93%D7%A8%27_%D7%A7%D7%A1%D7%A4%D7%A8 Dr. Kasper's Rabbit Show] and other obscure bands. I read alot of webcomics, most of them can be found on [http://elcool.pbwiki.com/ComicsList this list] and sometime I ''will'' start my own webcomic called '''Ptitim Online'''. I'm also in a club called Yapa Vamar whom I made a wiki to, but it got closed. The Yapa Vamar Wiki shall rize again!

Note to other wikiers and IRC users: I'm doing what you can call, a graveyard shift. I edit at times when US and Canada timezones are at night. Therefor, the only times I'm readily available for instant chats or problem solving are early mornings and late nights in Eastern time zones.

{{User:E.L._Cool/sig}} [[HRWiki:Featured Article Selection|.]] {{User:E.L. Cool/hebsig}}

==What's with the name[[User:E.L. Cool/test2|?]]==
{{User:E.L. Cool/userbox}}
====The meaning of the name====
Well, let's break it down into pieces:

{| border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#ffffff|<div style="font-size: 400%; text-align: center"
|'''''E'''''||'''''.'''''||'''''L'''''||'''''.'''''|| ||'''''Cool'''''
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|-<div style="text-align: center">
|My first initial||Dot||My last initial||Dot||Space||A megalomanian adjective
|}

Notice that there is no space between the '''''E.''''' and the '''''L.'''''. This is because my name is like myself: One. No separation.

====Evolution of the name====
#6th grade: E.L. Cool (Original name.)
#7th grade: e_l_cool ([[Wikipedia:Hotmail|Hotmail]] acount. Now closed.)
#8th grade: elcool (This change was forced because of forum limitations.)
#9th grade: Elcool ([[Wikipedia:ICQ|ICQ]] and another forum acounts.)
#10th grade: elcoolium (Thought this would be a nice change. [[Wikipedia:Gmail|Gmail]] acount.)
#11th grade: E.L. Cool of the Elcoolium Order of Greatness (full and official name. Used in [[Wikipedia:MSN Messenger|MSN Messenger]].)
#12th grade: E.L. Cool (Back to my roots.)

====Usage of the name====
*E.L. Cool: Formal username.
*E.L. Cool of the Elcoolium Order of Greatness: Formal full internet name.
*Elcool: Friendlier, faster to write name.

====The name in Hebrew====
*א.ל. קול: Same as E.L. Cool.
*אי אל קול: Phonetic reading of E.L. Cool.
*א.ל. קול ממסדר אלקוליום לגדולה: Same as Elcoolium of the Elcoolium Order of Greatness.
*אלקול: Same as Elcool.

==Project GHIIQ (pronounced ghick)[[User:E.L. Cool/templates|:]] Getting Homestar Into Israel, Quickly!==
[[Image:fifty.PNG|thumb|336px|And coming in at number 48.. It's Homestar!!]]
Currently working on spreading the Homestarmania here in [[Wikipedia:Israel|Israel]] by making the Israeli Homestar Runner page in the [http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A2%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%93_%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%A9%D7%99 Hebrew Wikipedia]! Check it out (If you can...) [http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%94%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%A1%D7%98%D7%90%D7%A8_%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%A0%D7%A8 here] 
Check ''this'' out: [http://www.google.com Google] the words: '''Homestar Israel'''.

===Project Timeline===
This is the time line of the project since it began on 18.6.05.

'''Last Updated:''' 15.1.06.
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*18.6: Just finished the main characters and in the middle of TGS.
*19.6: Finished SCC and 1936. Can't wait to start on 20X6 :)
*22.6: Done with X6, started Cheat Commandos, but had to do other stuff. Will finish it later this day.
**Done. Next: Dangeresque.
*23.6: Dangeresque is done. What's next? Are there any more character "worlds" I need to cover? Or sould I start with site history now?
**[[Peasantry]]! How could I forget?
*24.6: Trogdor and Friends translated to Hebrew very nicely. What next about the minor characters? Maybe Li'l Brudder.
**<strike>Side note: I don't like it that Stinkoman and Trogdor got more lines than any main character. I need to change it sometime. Maybe tommorow; after all, Brudder isn't that big a toon, is he?</strike> (Done)
*1.7: Once the wiki went up again, done the Strong Bad Email section. Lookin' preaty good.
*2.7: PBTC and MAM are over, dude. Puppet stuff and Holiday specials tomorrow.
*3.7: Done with that. Is there enything else about the toons? I would realy like to start on the music section. (This thing is going to be bigger than the one in Wikipeida!! :D)
*6.7: Started completing the main characters. Homestar and Marzipan done. Will do the others when I come back from my driving lessons.
**On about midnight I've Pom Pom too.
*8.7: Strong Bad. Broke up with my girl. Baaaa...(In Hebrew that "baaaa" would have a hard A. Like a sound of puke.)
*9.7: I gave 'em a good ol' kick in The Cheat.
**Util CSI, made Strong Man Strong Sad.
*10.7: :'''COACH Z:''' Well we're good friends.
:'''BUBS:''' But don't you steal my napkins.
:'''COACH Z:''' I got fresh jams.
:'''BUBS:''' But I get all the royalties.
:'''COACH Z:''' ''{talking}'' I never agreed to that.
*11.7: Sorry, no update today. Going to the [http://www.maccabiusa.com/israel.htm Maccabiah] opening!
*12.7: I feel like [[Whatsit]].. The Kot and his Poopsmith are ready and done.
*13.7: The main 12 are here as of now that I finnished Homsar. Tommorow: The worl... I mean the site's history!
*14.7: Woho!! Guess who made it to the fiftyth longest articles it Hebrew Wikipeida and not even finished his project? I DID!! (Oh, and I wrote the site's history...)
*15.7: The music section is a pretty big one. Took me a while to collect all the data from this wiki.. And this article is now at number 37 for the longest.
*17.7: I don't like my new games section. Too short.
*13.8: Almost a month without an update. Lazy! Lazy Elcool! Go to bed and no Homestar for a week!
*17.8: After a month of no updates, I made the section about Easter Eggs and secret pages. (I think the English Wikipeidia need to translate ''my'' article. it's much more detailed)
*11.9: A new section if done: [[Store]]. Give it up of number 20 on Hebrew Wikipedia's longest artical!
*28.9: I nominated it to be a featured article on Hebrew Wikipedia. If you can read Hebrew, you can watch the votes <strike>[http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94:%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%92%D7%90%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9C%D7%94%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%92#.D7.94.D7.A6.D7.A2.D7.95.D7.AA: here]</strike>. Corrent status: 1 votes '''for'''.
*1.10: The article went up to a higher level of voting, although no one else have voted for it. From now on, you can watch the votes in <strike>[http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94:%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%94%D7%95%D7%A1%D7%A4%D7%94_%D7%9C%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%9D#.D7.94.D7.95.D7.9E.D7.A1.D7.98.D7.90.D7.A8_.D7.A8.D7.90.D7.A0.D7.A8 here]</strike>.
*2.10: '''For''': 1; '''Against''': 1; '''Maybe''': 1.
*4.10: '''For''': 1; '''Against''': 2; '''Maybe''': 1.
*5.10: '''For''': 1; '''Against''': 4; '''Maybe''': 1. (Well, at least they give me some pointers..)
*16.10: The votes are done, and declined. An archived version of the votes can be found [http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94:%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%94%D7%95%D7%A1%D7%A4%D7%94_%D7%9C%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%9B%D7%99%D7%95%D7%9F_3#.D7.94.D7.95.D7.9E.D7.A1.D7.98.D7.90.D7.A8_.D7.A8.D7.90.D7.A0.D7.A8 here]. The pointers:
**Urgent need for grammer check by someone familiar with the subject.
**Too Hebrish.
**Too list-like and too long.
*28.10: Put it up for a clean-up.
*5.11: Remembered to post the update above :P
*15.1: [[User:Tom|Tom]] updated the [http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%AA%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%94:Homestar_Runner_logo.png logo] to the new one.
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==Me and the Wiki==
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<th> Current Projects[[User:E.L. Cool/facts|:]] </th>
<th> Ongoing projecs: </th>
<th> Past projects: </th>
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*Standarizing [[Other Costumes]] with [[User:Joshua|Joshua]].
**Putting all the costumes in chronological order. Pages done:
***[[Bubs Other Costumes|Bubs]] {{tick}}
***[[The King of Town Other Costumes|The King of Town]] {{tick}}
***[[Teen Girl Squad Other Costumes|TGS]] {{tick}}
***[[Cheat Commandos Other Costumes|Commandos]] {{tick}}
***[[Little Strong Sad Other Costumes|Lil Strong Sad]] {{tick}}
***[[Coach Z Other Costumes|Coach Z]] {{tick}}
***[[Homsar Other Costumes|Homsar]] {{tick}}
***[[The Poopsmith Other Costumes|The Poopsmith]] {{tick}}
***[[Strong Mad Other Costumes|Graw Mad]] {{tick}}
***[[Marzipan Other Costumes|Marzipan]] {{tick}}
***[[Sweet Cuppin' Cakes Other Costumes|Cuppin' Cakes]] {{tick}}
***[[20X6 Other Costumes|20X6]] {{tick}}
***[[Old-Timey Other Costumes|Old-Timey]] {{tick}}
*[[Everybody to the Limit Visuals|Finish]] several stubs.
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*Standardizing [[HRWiki talk:Standards#Image Standards|images]] with [[User:Homestar Coder|Homestar Coder]]
**Gallery pages done:
***[[Games]] {{tick}}
***[[Items]] {{tick}}
***[[Characters]] {{tick}}
***[[Arrow'd Guy]] {{tick}}
***[[Places]] {{tick}}
*Adding [[Other Costumes]] as I see them. (58 costumes added)
**Complete pages made by me:
***[[Other Costumes#Teen Girl Squad|Teen Girl Squad]] {{tick}}
***[[Other Costumes#Cheat Commandos|Cheat Commandos]] {{tick}}
*general [[HRWiki:WikiGnome|gnoming]].
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*Made [[Rejected Characters|Old Characters]]. My first page creation. {{tick}}
*Adding [[:Template:Film|Film]] template to every toon, email, answering machine, menu, and anything with filmography categories beneath it. {{tick}}
*Standardizing [[Peasant's Quest Responses]]. {{tick}}
*Making [[Template:featuredarticle|Featured Article]] template and all the things [[:Category:Featured articles|around it]]. {{tick}}
*Making and listing of [[Strong Bad Hurting Strong Sad]].{{tick}}
*Splitting [[Other Costumes]]. {{tick}}
*Making [[Hanging Objects]] page. {{tick}}
*Transcribing [[Homestar vs. Other Little Girl]]. {{tick}}
*De-stubbed [[Trogdor]]. {{tick}}
*Transcribed the Easter egg in [[The Cheatar]]. {{tick}}
*Made [[Pizza]] {{tick}}
*Made [[Hyperactive Strong Sad]] {{tick}}
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</table>

==List O[http://elcool.pbwiki.com/WereDrunk '] Very Awesome Users==

''(Listed in alphabetical order}''
*[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] - I like to think of him as the glue that keep us together.
*[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] - Helped me fix up my page; One of the best admins ever.
*[[User:Bubsty|Bubsty]] - Showed me the code for scrolling text in my userpage.
*[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] - Helped me fix up my page.
*[[User:FireBird|FireBird]] - I can't tell you why he's awesome, but he is.
*[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] - Helped me fix up my page.
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*[[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] - Great guy. <s>Owes me cupcakes</s>. Not no more!
*[[User:Homestar Coder|Homestar Coder]] - Helped me with my image caption project.
*[[User:Homestramy20|Homestramy20]] - One of my best buddies on the wiki; Chatted with regularly.
*[[user:It's dot com|It's dot com]] - Helped me fix up my page; One of the best admins ever; Made [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Glossary&oldid=197490 HRWiki:Glossery] on my suggestion.
*[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] - The best person to ever walk this planet.
*[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] - Helped me with [[Other Costumes]].
[[Image:Pewtervanburen.PNG|right]]
*[[User:Kookykman|Kookykman]] - Gave me the [[User:Kookykman/vanburen|'''Pewter Van Buren Award''']] for the cleanup type job I did on [[Trogdor]].
*[[User:Lapper|Lapper]] - Helped me fix up my page; One of my best buddies on the wiki; Helped (and made) my Babel.
*[[User:Rainer|Rainer]] - Helped me fix up my page; I took the HTML logo he created (below).
*[[User:Rogue Leader|Rogue Leader]] - Helped me fix up my page.
*[[User:Smileyface11945|Smileyface11945]] - Helped and encouraged me to create [[Hanging Objects]].
*[[user:Some HSR themed username|Some HSR themed username]] - Helped me fix up my page.
*[[User:Stu|Stu]] - Great guy, Übergeek.
*[[User:Thesmokingmonkey|Thesmokingmonkey]] - A very nice guy with cool Easter eggs on his page; I liked helping defending his great [[Pasta Salad]] page.
*[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] - Helped me fix up my page; A great fellow and one of the best buddies here; Two times translation contest winner.
'''''You guys rock.'''''

== Disgusting little chit-chats ==
I know I'm not a [[The Paper|man with green and white stripes]], but I do like to talk! We can discuss stuff via:
#[[User talk:E.L. Cool|My talk page]]
#[mailto:elcoolium@gmail.com My email]
#[irc://irc.freenode.net/hrwiki IRC chat channels]
#[[Wikipedia:MSN Messenger|MSN Messenger]] at e_l_cool@hotmail.com
#[[Wikipedia:Rishon LeZion|Rishon LeZion]]: Why not meet face to face?
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User:Elcool

Jweb Guru — Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:33:25 GMT

Jweb Guru: Hopefully final attempt

[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:E.L._Cool&action=purge Hold it. Control it. And buttons, come on, let's see you purge it!]
{{User:E.L. Cool/sfotdowos}}
I. Hate. Sauerkraut!
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==A Little [[User:E.L. Cool/otherhebsigs|']]Bout Myself==
[[Image:DndElcool.PNG|thumb|This goes to [[Minor_Teen_Girl_Squad_Characters#D_N.27D_Greg|DnD Greg]]: Hey! Quit bitin my style!]]

Hello. My name is E.L. Cool and this is my user space. I live in [[Wikipedia:Israel|Israel]] in a city called [[Wikipedia:Rishon LeZion|Rishon LeZion]]. I'm 18 years old and I am currently in the 12th grade. I look allot like DnD Greg - I have long (blonde) hair and quite skinny, but with glasses. If you asked me what is my favorite [[Toons|toon]] or [[Strong Bad Email]] I would have to answer like [[Strong Bad]] in [[personal favorites]]: ''"I love them all!"''. On the contrary, I do have favorite characters. Those are [[Strong Sad]] and [[The Poopsmith]]. If you ever chatted with me on the [[HRWiki:IRC channel|IRC channel]] you'd know I quote the site a lot, ranging from obscure ones like ''"[[impression|Those were moist towelettes!]]"'' to the more common one like ''"[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4|Grood]]"''.

I first saw Homestar Runner when it got linked from a forum I was a member in. The first official thing I saw was the [[Intro]], then [[First Time Here?]]. From there I think I followed [[A Jorb Well Done]], but I don't really remember. The last email at that time was ether [[japanese cartoon]] or [[dragon]]. I also was a member of [http://www.homestarrunner.net/ .net] until its last days. I have the navy [[Homestar Runner]] cap, [[strongbad email.exe]] 1-3 and [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits]].

My interests other then H-star-R are the TV serieses [[Wikipedia:South Park|South Park]], [[Wikipedia:Law & Order|Law & Order]], [[Wikipedia:Samurai Jack|Samurai Jack]] and other animations. I listen to music by [[Wikipedia:"Weird Al" Yankovic|"Weird Al" Yankovic]], [[Wikipedia:Da Vinci's Notebook|Da Vinci's Notebook]], [[Wikipedia:The Presidents of the United States of America (band)|The Presidents of the United States of America]], [http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%A2_%D7%94%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%A0%D7%91%D7%95%D7%AA_%D7%A9%D7%9C_%D7%93%D7%A8%27_%D7%A7%D7%A1%D7%A4%D7%A8 Dr. Kasper's Rabbit Show] and other obscure bands. I read alot of webcomics, most of them can be found on [http://elcool.pbwiki.com/ComicsList this list] and sometime I ''will'' start my own webcomic called '''Ptitim Online'''. I'm also in a club called Yapa Vamar whom I made a wiki to, but it got closed. The Yapa Vamar Wiki shall rize again!

Note to other wikiers and IRC users: I'm doing what you can call, a graveyard shift. I edit at times when US and Canada timezones are at night. Therefor, the only times I'm readily available for instant chats or problem solving are early mornings and late nights in Eastern time zones.

{{User:E.L._Cool/sig}} [[HRWiki:Featured Article Selection|.]] {{User:E.L. Cool/hebsig}}

==What's with the name[[User:E.L. Cool/test2|?]]==
{{User:E.L. Cool/userbox}}
====The meaning of the name====
Well, let's break it down into pieces:

{| border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#ffffff|<div style="font-size: 400%; text-align: center">
|'''''E'''''||'''''.'''''||'''''L'''''||'''''.'''''|| ||'''''Cool'''''</div>
|-
|
|-<div style="text-align: center">
|My first initial||Dot||My last initial||Dot||Space||A megalomanian adjective</div>
|}

Notice that there is no space between the '''''E.''''' and the '''''L.'''''. This is because my name is like myself: One. No separation.

====Evolution of the name====
#6th grade: E.L. Cool (Original name.)
#7th grade: e_l_cool ([[Wikipedia:Hotmail|Hotmail]] acount. Now closed.)
#8th grade: elcool (This change was forced because of forum limitations.)
#9th grade: Elcool ([[Wikipedia:ICQ|ICQ]] and another forum acounts.)
#10th grade: elcoolium (Thought this would be a nice change. [[Wikipedia:Gmail|Gmail]] acount.)
#11th grade: E.L. Cool of the Elcoolium Order of Greatness (full and official name. Used in [[Wikipedia:MSN Messenger|MSN Messenger]].)
#12th grade: E.L. Cool (Back to my roots.)

====Usage of the name====
*E.L. Cool: Formal username.
*E.L. Cool of the Elcoolium Order of Greatness: Formal full internet name.
*Elcool: Friendlier, faster to write name.

====The name in Hebrew====
*א.ל. קול: Same as E.L. Cool.
*אי אל קול: Phonetic reading of E.L. Cool.
*א.ל. קול ממסדר אלקוליום לגדולה: Same as Elcoolium of the Elcoolium Order of Greatness.
*אלקול: Same as Elcool.

==Project GHIIQ (pronounced ghick)[[User:E.L. Cool/templates|:]] Getting Homestar Into Israel, Quickly!==
[[Image:fifty.PNG|thumb|336px|And coming in at number 48.. It's Homestar!!]]
Currently working on spreading the Homestarmania here in [[Wikipedia:Israel|Israel]] by making the Israeli Homestar Runner page in the [http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A2%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%93_%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%A9%D7%99 Hebrew Wikipedia]! Check it out (If you can...) [http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%94%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%A1%D7%98%D7%90%D7%A8_%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%A0%D7%A8 here] 
Check ''this'' out: [http://www.google.com Google] the words: '''Homestar Israel'''.

===Project Timeline===
This is the time line of the project since it began on 18.6.05.

'''Last Updated:''' 15.1.06.
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*18.6: Just finished the main characters and in the middle of TGS.
*19.6: Finished SCC and 1936. Can't wait to start on 20X6 :)
*22.6: Done with X6, started Cheat Commandos, but had to do other stuff. Will finish it later this day.
**Done. Next: Dangeresque.
*23.6: Dangeresque is done. What's next? Are there any more character "worlds" I need to cover? Or sould I start with site history now?
**[[Peasantry]]! How could I forget?
*24.6: Trogdor and Friends translated to Hebrew very nicely. What next about the minor characters? Maybe Li'l Brudder.
**<strike>Side note: I don't like it that Stinkoman and Trogdor got more lines than any main character. I need to change it sometime. Maybe tommorow; after all, Brudder isn't that big a toon, is he?</strike> (Done)
*1.7: Once the wiki went up again, done the Strong Bad Email section. Lookin' preaty good.
*2.7: PBTC and MAM are over, dude. Puppet stuff and Holiday specials tomorrow.
*3.7: Done with that. Is there enything else about the toons? I would realy like to start on the music section. (This thing is going to be bigger than the one in Wikipeida!! :D)
*6.7: Started completing the main characters. Homestar and Marzipan done. Will do the others when I come back from my driving lessons.
**On about midnight I've Pom Pom too.
*8.7: Strong Bad. Broke up with my girl. Baaaa...(In Hebrew that "baaaa" would have a hard A. Like a sound of puke.)
*9.7: I gave 'em a good ol' kick in The Cheat.
**Util CSI, made Strong Man Strong Sad.
*10.7: :'''COACH Z:''' Well we're good friends.
:'''BUBS:''' But don't you steal my napkins.
:'''COACH Z:''' I got fresh jams.
:'''BUBS:''' But I get all the royalties.
:'''COACH Z:''' ''{talking}'' I never agreed to that.
*11.7: Sorry, no update today. Going to the [http://www.maccabiusa.com/israel.htm Maccabiah] opening!
*12.7: I feel like [[Whatsit]].. The Kot and his Poopsmith are ready and done.
*13.7: The main 12 are here as of now that I finnished Homsar. Tommorow: The worl... I mean the site's history!
*14.7: Woho!! Guess who made it to the fiftyth longest articles it Hebrew Wikipeida and not even finished his project? I DID!! (Oh, and I wrote the site's history...)
*15.7: The music section is a pretty big one. Took me a while to collect all the data from this wiki.. And this article is now at number 37 for the longest.
*17.7: I don't like my new games section. Too short.
*13.8: Almost a month without an update. Lazy! Lazy Elcool! Go to bed and no Homestar for a week!
*17.8: After a month of no updates, I made the section about Easter Eggs and secret pages. (I think the English Wikipeidia need to translate ''my'' article. it's much more detailed)
*11.9: A new section if done: [[Store]]. Give it up of number 20 on Hebrew Wikipedia's longest artical!
*28.9: I nominated it to be a featured article on Hebrew Wikipedia. If you can read Hebrew, you can watch the votes <strike>[http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94:%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%92%D7%90%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9C%D7%94%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%92#.D7.94.D7.A6.D7.A2.D7.95.D7.AA: here]</strike>. Corrent status: 1 votes '''for'''.
*1.10: The article went up to a higher level of voting, although no one else have voted for it. From now on, you can watch the votes in <strike>[http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94:%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%94%D7%95%D7%A1%D7%A4%D7%94_%D7%9C%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%9D#.D7.94.D7.95.D7.9E.D7.A1.D7.98.D7.90.D7.A8_.D7.A8.D7.90.D7.A0.D7.A8 here]</strike>.
*2.10: '''For''': 1; '''Against''': 1; '''Maybe''': 1.
*4.10: '''For''': 1; '''Against''': 2; '''Maybe''': 1.
*5.10: '''For''': 1; '''Against''': 4; '''Maybe''': 1. (Well, at least they give me some pointers..)
*16.10: The votes are done, and declined. An archived version of the votes can be found [http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94:%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%94%D7%95%D7%A1%D7%A4%D7%94_%D7%9C%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%9B%D7%99%D7%95%D7%9F_3#.D7.94.D7.95.D7.9E.D7.A1.D7.98.D7.90.D7.A8_.D7.A8.D7.90.D7.A0.D7.A8 here]. The pointers:
**Urgent need for grammer check by someone familiar with the subject.
**Too Hebrish.
**Too list-like and too long.
*28.10: Put it up for a clean-up.
*5.11: Remembered to post the update above :P
*15.1: [[User:Tom|Tom]] updated the [http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%AA%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%94:Homestar_Runner_logo.png logo] to the new one.
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==Me and the Wiki==
<table>
<tr>
<th> Current Projects[[User:E.L. Cool/facts|:]] </th>
<th> Ongoing projecs: </th>
<th> Past projects: </th>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top">
*Standarizing [[Other Costumes]] with [[User:Joshua|Joshua]].
**Putting all the costumes in chronological order. Pages done:
***[[Bubs Other Costumes|Bubs]] {{tick}}
***[[The King of Town Other Costumes|The King of Town]] {{tick}}
***[[Teen Girl Squad Other Costumes|TGS]] {{tick}}
***[[Cheat Commandos Other Costumes|Commandos]] {{tick}}
***[[Little Strong Sad Other Costumes|Lil Strong Sad]] {{tick}}
***[[Coach Z Other Costumes|Coach Z]] {{tick}}
***[[Homsar Other Costumes|Homsar]] {{tick}}
***[[The Poopsmith Other Costumes|The Poopsmith]] {{tick}}
***[[Strong Mad Other Costumes|Graw Mad]] {{tick}}
***[[Marzipan Other Costumes|Marzipan]] {{tick}}
***[[Sweet Cuppin' Cakes Other Costumes|Cuppin' Cakes]] {{tick}}
***[[20X6 Other Costumes|20X6]] {{tick}}
***[[Old-Timey Other Costumes|Old-Timey]] {{tick}}
*[[Everybody to the Limit Visuals|Finish]] several stubs.
</td>
<td valign="top">
*Standardizing [[HRWiki talk:Standards#Image Standards|images]] with [[User:Homestar Coder|Homestar Coder]]
**Gallery pages done:
***[[Games]] {{tick}}
***[[Items]] {{tick}}
***[[Characters]] {{tick}}
***[[Arrow'd Guy]] {{tick}}
***[[Places]] {{tick}}
*Adding [[Other Costumes]] as I see them. (58 costumes added)
**Complete pages made by me:
***[[Other Costumes#Teen Girl Squad|Teen Girl Squad]] {{tick}}
***[[Other Costumes#Cheat Commandos|Cheat Commandos]] {{tick}}
*general [[HRWiki:WikiGnome|gnoming]].
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*Made [[Rejected Characters|Old Characters]]. My first page creation. {{tick}}
*Adding [[:Template:Film|Film]] template to every toon, email, answering machine, menu, and anything with filmography categories beneath it. {{tick}}
*Standardizing [[Peasant's Quest Responses]]. {{tick}}
*Making [[Template:featuredarticle|Featured Article]] template and all the things [[:Category:Featured articles|around it]]. {{tick}}
*Making and listing of [[Strong Bad Hurting Strong Sad]].{{tick}}
*Splitting [[Other Costumes]]. {{tick}}
*Making [[Hanging Objects]] page. {{tick}}
*Transcribing [[Homestar vs. Other Little Girl]]. {{tick}}
*De-stubbed [[Trogdor]]. {{tick}}
*Transcribed the Easter egg in [[The Cheatar]]. {{tick}}
*Made [[Pizza]] {{tick}}
*Made [[Hyperactive Strong Sad]] {{tick}}
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</tr>
</table>

==List O[http://elcool.pbwiki.com/WereDrunk '] Very Awesome Users==

''(Listed in alphabetical order}''
*[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] - I like to think of him as the glue that keep us together.
*[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] - Helped me fix up my page; One of the best admins ever.
*[[User:Bubsty|Bubsty]] - Showed me the code for scrolling text in my userpage.
*[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] - Helped me fix up my page.
*[[User:FireBird|FireBird]] - I can't tell you why he's awesome, but he is.
*[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] - Helped me fix up my page.
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*[[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] - Great guy. <s>Owes me cupcakes</s>. Not no more!
*[[User:Homestar Coder|Homestar Coder]] - Helped me with my image caption project.
*[[User:Homestramy20|Homestramy20]] - One of my best buddies on the wiki; Chatted with regularly.
*[[user:It's dot com|It's dot com]] - Helped me fix up my page; One of the best admins ever; Made [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Glossary&oldid=197490 HRWiki:Glossery] on my suggestion.
*[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] - The best person to ever walk this planet.
*[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] - Helped me with [[Other Costumes]].
[[Image:Pewtervanburen.PNG|right]]
*[[User:Kookykman|Kookykman]] - Gave me the [[User:Kookykman/vanburen|'''Pewter Van Buren Award''']] for the cleanup type job I did on [[Trogdor]].
*[[User:Lapper|Lapper]] - Helped me fix up my page; One of my best buddies on the wiki; Helped (and made) my Babel.
*[[User:Rainer|Rainer]] - Helped me fix up my page; I took the HTML logo he created (below).
*[[User:Rogue Leader|Rogue Leader]] - Helped me fix up my page.
*[[User:Smileyface11945|Smileyface11945]] - Helped and encouraged me to create [[Hanging Objects]].
*[[user:Some HSR themed username|Some HSR themed username]] - Helped me fix up my page.
*[[User:Stu|Stu]] - Great guy, Übergeek.
*[[User:Thesmokingmonkey|Thesmokingmonkey]] - A very nice guy with cool Easter eggs on his page; I liked helping defending his great [[Pasta Salad]] page.
*[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] - Helped me fix up my page; A great fellow and one of the best buddies here; Two times translation contest winner.
'''''You guys rock.'''''

== Disgusting little chit-chats ==
I know I'm not a [[The Paper|man with green and white stripes]], but I do like to talk! We can discuss stuff via:
#[[User talk:E.L. Cool|My talk page]]
#[mailto:elcoolium@gmail.com My email]
#[irc://irc.freenode.net/hrwiki IRC chat channels]
#[[Wikipedia:MSN Messenger|MSN Messenger]] at e_l_cool@hotmail.com
#[[Wikipedia:Rishon LeZion|Rishon LeZion]]: Why not meet face to face?
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User:Elcool

Jweb Guru — Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:21:29 GMT

Jweb Guru: Another attempt at successful validation

[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:E.L._Cool&action=purge Hold it. Control it. And buttons, come on, let's see you purge it!]
{{User:E.L. Cool/sfotdowos}}
I. Hate. Sauerkraut!
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==A Little [[User:E.L. Cool/otherhebsigs|']]Bout Myself==
[[Image:DndElcool.PNG|thumb|This goes to [[Minor_Teen_Girl_Squad_Characters#D_N.27D_Greg|DnD Greg]]: Hey! Quit bitin my style!]]

Hello. My name is E.L. Cool and this is my user space. I live in [[Wikipedia:Israel|Israel]] in a city called [[Wikipedia:Rishon LeZion|Rishon LeZion]]. I'm 18 years old and I am currently in the 12th grade. I look allot like DnD Greg - I have long (blonde) hair and quite skinny, but with glasses. If you asked me what is my favorite [[Toons|toon]] or [[Strong Bad Email]] I would have to answer like [[Strong Bad]] in [[personal favorites]]: ''"I love them all!"''. On the contrary, I do have favorite characters. Those are [[Strong Sad]] and [[The Poopsmith]]. If you ever chatted with me on the [[HRWiki:IRC channel|IRC channel]] you'd know I quote the site a lot, ranging from obscure ones like ''"[[impression|Those were moist towelettes!]]"'' to the more common one like ''"[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4|Grood]]"''.

I first saw Homestar Runner when it got linked from a forum I was a member in. The first official thing I saw was the [[Intro]], then [[First Time Here?]]. From there I think I followed [[A Jorb Well Done]], but I don't really remember. The last email at that time was ether [[japanese cartoon]] or [[dragon]]. I also was a member of [http://www.homestarrunner.net/ .net] until its last days. I have the navy [[Homestar Runner]] cap, [[strongbad email.exe]] 1-3 and [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits]].

My interests other then H-star-R are the TV serieses [[Wikipedia:South Park|South Park]], [[Wikipedia:Law & Order|Law & Order]], [[Wikipedia:Samurai Jack|Samurai Jack]] and other animations. I listen to music by [[Wikipedia:"Weird Al" Yankovic|"Weird Al" Yankovic]], [[Wikipedia:Da Vinci's Notebook|Da Vinci's Notebook]], [[Wikipedia:The Presidents of the United States of America (band)|The Presidents of the United States of America]], [http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%A2_%D7%94%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%A0%D7%91%D7%95%D7%AA_%D7%A9%D7%9C_%D7%93%D7%A8%27_%D7%A7%D7%A1%D7%A4%D7%A8 Dr. Kasper's Rabbit Show] and other obscure bands. I read alot of webcomics, most of them can be found on [http://elcool.pbwiki.com/ComicsList this list] and sometime I ''will'' start my own webcomic called '''Ptitim Online'''. I'm also in a club called Yapa Vamar whom I made a wiki to, but it got closed. The Yapa Vamar Wiki shall rize again!

Note to other wikiers and IRC users: I'm doing what you can call, a graveyard shift. I edit at times when US and Canada timezones are at night. Therefor, the only times I'm readily available for instant chats or problem solving are early mornings and late nights in Eastern time zones.

{{User:E.L._Cool/sig}} [[HRWiki:Featured Article Selection|.]] {{User:E.L. Cool/hebsig}}

==What's with the name[[User:E.L. Cool/test2|?]]==
{{User:E.L. Cool/userbox}}
====The meaning of the name====
Well, let's break it down into pieces:

{| border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#ffffff|<div style="font-size: 400%; text-align: center"
|'''''E'''''||'''''.'''''||'''''L'''''||'''''.'''''|| ||'''''Cool'''''
|-
|
|-<div style="text-align: center">
|My first initial||Dot||My last initial||Dot||Space||A megalomanian adjective
|}

Notice that there is no space between the '''''E.''''' and the '''''L.'''''. This is because my name is like myself: One. No separation.

====Evolution of the name====
#6th grade: E.L. Cool (Original name.)
#7th grade: e_l_cool ([[Wikipedia:Hotmail|Hotmail]] acount. Now closed.)
#8th grade: elcool (This change was forced because of forum limitations.)
#9th grade: Elcool ([[Wikipedia:ICQ|ICQ]] and another forum acounts.)
#10th grade: elcoolium (Thought this would be a nice change. [[Wikipedia:Gmail|Gmail]] acount.)
#11th grade: E.L. Cool of the Elcoolium Order of Greatness (full and official name. Used in [[Wikipedia:MSN Messenger|MSN Messenger]].)
#12th grade: E.L. Cool (Back to my roots.)

====Usage of the name====
*E.L. Cool: Formal username.
*E.L. Cool of the Elcoolium Order of Greatness: Formal full internet name.
*Elcool: Friendlier, faster to write name.

====The name in Hebrew====
*א.ל. קול: Same as E.L. Cool.
*אי אל קול: Phonetic reading of E.L. Cool.
*א.ל. קול ממסדר אלקוליום לגדולה: Same as Elcoolium of the Elcoolium Order of Greatness.
*אלקול: Same as Elcool.

==Project GHIIQ (pronounced ghick)[[User:E.L. Cool/templates|:]] Getting Homestar Into Israel, Quickly!==
[[Image:fifty.PNG|thumb|336px|And coming in at number 48.. It's Homestar!!]]
Currently working on spreading the Homestarmania here in [[Wikipedia:Israel|Israel]] by making the Israeli Homestar Runner page in the [http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A2%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%93_%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%A9%D7%99 Hebrew Wikipedia]! Check it out (If you can...) [http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%94%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%A1%D7%98%D7%90%D7%A8_%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%A0%D7%A8 here] 
Check ''this'' out: [http://www.google.com Google] the words: '''Homestar Israel'''.

===Project Timeline===
This is the time line of the project since it began on 18.6.05.

'''Last Updated:''' 15.1.06.
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*18.6: Just finished the main characters and in the middle of TGS.
*19.6: Finished SCC and 1936. Can't wait to start on 20X6 :)
*22.6: Done with X6, started Cheat Commandos, but had to do other stuff. Will finish it later this day.
**Done. Next: Dangeresque.
*23.6: Dangeresque is done. What's next? Are there any more character "worlds" I need to cover? Or sould I start with site history now?
**[[Peasantry]]! How could I forget?
*24.6: Trogdor and Friends translated to Hebrew very nicely. What next about the minor characters? Maybe Li'l Brudder.
**<strike>Side note: I don't like it that Stinkoman and Trogdor got more lines than any main character. I need to change it sometime. Maybe tommorow; after all, Brudder isn't that big a toon, is he?</strike> (Done)
*1.7: Once the wiki went up again, done the Strong Bad Email section. Lookin' preaty good.
*2.7: PBTC and MAM are over, dude. Puppet stuff and Holiday specials tomorrow.
*3.7: Done with that. Is there enything else about the toons? I would realy like to start on the music section. (This thing is going to be bigger than the one in Wikipeida!! :D)
*6.7: Started completing the main characters. Homestar and Marzipan done. Will do the others when I come back from my driving lessons.
**On about midnight I've Pom Pom too.
*8.7: Strong Bad. Broke up with my girl. Baaaa...(In Hebrew that "baaaa" would have a hard A. Like a sound of puke.)
*9.7: I gave 'em a good ol' kick in The Cheat.
**Util CSI, made Strong Man Strong Sad.
*10.7: :'''COACH Z:''' Well we're good friends.
:'''BUBS:''' But don't you steal my napkins.
:'''COACH Z:''' I got fresh jams.
:'''BUBS:''' But I get all the royalties.
:'''COACH Z:''' ''{talking}'' I never agreed to that.
*11.7: Sorry, no update today. Going to the [http://www.maccabiusa.com/israel.htm Maccabiah] opening!
*12.7: I feel like [[Whatsit]].. The Kot and his Poopsmith are ready and done.
*13.7: The main 12 are here as of now that I finnished Homsar. Tommorow: The worl... I mean the site's history!
*14.7: Woho!! Guess who made it to the fiftyth longest articles it Hebrew Wikipeida and not even finished his project? I DID!! (Oh, and I wrote the site's history...)
*15.7: The music section is a pretty big one. Took me a while to collect all the data from this wiki.. And this article is now at number 37 for the longest.
*17.7: I don't like my new games section. Too short.
*13.8: Almost a month without an update. Lazy! Lazy Elcool! Go to bed and no Homestar for a week!
*17.8: After a month of no updates, I made the section about Easter Eggs and secret pages. (I think the English Wikipeidia need to translate ''my'' article. it's much more detailed)
*11.9: A new section if done: [[Store]]. Give it up of number 20 on Hebrew Wikipedia's longest artical!
*28.9: I nominated it to be a featured article on Hebrew Wikipedia. If you can read Hebrew, you can watch the votes <strike>[http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94:%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%92%D7%90%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9C%D7%94%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%92#.D7.94.D7.A6.D7.A2.D7.95.D7.AA: here]</strike>. Corrent status: 1 votes '''for'''.
*1.10: The article went up to a higher level of voting, although no one else have voted for it. From now on, you can watch the votes in <strike>[http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94:%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%94%D7%95%D7%A1%D7%A4%D7%94_%D7%9C%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%9D#.D7.94.D7.95.D7.9E.D7.A1.D7.98.D7.90.D7.A8_.D7.A8.D7.90.D7.A0.D7.A8 here]</strike>.
*2.10: '''For''': 1; '''Against''': 1; '''Maybe''': 1.
*4.10: '''For''': 1; '''Against''': 2; '''Maybe''': 1.
*5.10: '''For''': 1; '''Against''': 4; '''Maybe''': 1. (Well, at least they give me some pointers..)
*16.10: The votes are done, and declined. An archived version of the votes can be found [http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94:%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%94%D7%95%D7%A1%D7%A4%D7%94_%D7%9C%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%9B%D7%99%D7%95%D7%9F_3#.D7.94.D7.95.D7.9E.D7.A1.D7.98.D7.90.D7.A8_.D7.A8.D7.90.D7.A0.D7.A8 here]. The pointers:
**Urgent need for grammer check by someone familiar with the subject.
**Too Hebrish.
**Too list-like and too long.
*28.10: Put it up for a clean-up.
*5.11: Remembered to post the update above :P
*15.1: [[User:Tom|Tom]] updated the [http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%AA%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%94:Homestar_Runner_logo.png logo] to the new one.
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==Me and the Wiki==
<table>
<tr>
<th> Current Projects[[User:E.L. Cool/facts|:]] </th>
<th> Ongoing projecs: </th>
<th> Past projects: </th>
</tr>
<tr>
<td valign="top">
*Standarizing [[Other Costumes]] with [[User:Joshua|Joshua]].
**Putting all the costumes in chronological order. Pages done:
***[[Bubs Other Costumes|Bubs]] {{tick}}
***[[The King of Town Other Costumes|The King of Town]] {{tick}}
***[[Teen Girl Squad Other Costumes|TGS]] {{tick}}
***[[Cheat Commandos Other Costumes|Commandos]] {{tick}}
***[[Little Strong Sad Other Costumes|Lil Strong Sad]] {{tick}}
***[[Coach Z Other Costumes|Coach Z]] {{tick}}
***[[Homsar Other Costumes|Homsar]] {{tick}}
***[[The Poopsmith Other Costumes|The Poopsmith]] {{tick}}
***[[Strong Mad Other Costumes|Graw Mad]] {{tick}}
***[[Marzipan Other Costumes|Marzipan]] {{tick}}
***[[Sweet Cuppin' Cakes Other Costumes|Cuppin' Cakes]] {{tick}}
***[[20X6 Other Costumes|20X6]] {{tick}}
***[[Old-Timey Other Costumes|Old-Timey]] {{tick}}
*[[Everybody to the Limit Visuals|Finish]] several stubs.
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*Standardizing [[HRWiki talk:Standards#Image Standards|images]] with [[User:Homestar Coder|Homestar Coder]]
**Gallery pages done:
***[[Games]] {{tick}}
***[[Items]] {{tick}}
***[[Characters]] {{tick}}
***[[Arrow'd Guy]] {{tick}}
***[[Places]] {{tick}}
*Adding [[Other Costumes]] as I see them. (58 costumes added)
**Complete pages made by me:
***[[Other Costumes#Teen Girl Squad|Teen Girl Squad]] {{tick}}
***[[Other Costumes#Cheat Commandos|Cheat Commandos]] {{tick}}
*general [[HRWiki:WikiGnome|gnoming]].
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*Made [[Rejected Characters|Old Characters]]. My first page creation. {{tick}}
*Adding [[:Template:Film|Film]] template to every toon, email, answering machine, menu, and anything with filmography categories beneath it. {{tick}}
*Standardizing [[Peasant's Quest Responses]]. {{tick}}
*Making [[Template:featuredarticle|Featured Article]] template and all the things [[:Category:Featured articles|around it]]. {{tick}}
*Making and listing of [[Strong Bad Hurting Strong Sad]].{{tick}}
*Splitting [[Other Costumes]]. {{tick}}
*Making [[Hanging Objects]] page. {{tick}}
*Transcribing [[Homestar vs. Other Little Girl]]. {{tick}}
*De-stubbed [[Trogdor]]. {{tick}}
*Transcribed the Easter egg in [[The Cheatar]]. {{tick}}
*Made [[Pizza]] {{tick}}
*Made [[Hyperactive Strong Sad]] {{tick}}
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</table>

==List O[http://elcool.pbwiki.com/WereDrunk '] Very Awesome Users==

''(Listed in alphabetical order}''
*[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] - I like to think of him as the glue that keep us together.
*[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] - Helped me fix up my page; One of the best admins ever.
*[[User:Bubsty|Bubsty]] - Showed me the code for scrolling text in my userpage.
*[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] - Helped me fix up my page.
*[[User:FireBird|FireBird]] - I can't tell you why he's awesome, but he is.
*[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] - Helped me fix up my page.
[[Image:kinggame_win.png|right|100px]]
*[[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] - Great guy. <s>Owes me cupcakes</s>. Not no more!
*[[User:Homestar Coder|Homestar Coder]] - Helped me with my image caption project.
*[[User:Homestramy20|Homestramy20]] - One of my best buddies on the wiki; Chatted with regularly.
*[[user:It's dot com|It's dot com]] - Helped me fix up my page; One of the best admins ever; Made [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Glossary&oldid=197490 HRWiki:Glossery] on my suggestion.
*[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] - The best person to ever walk this planet.
*[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] - Helped me with [[Other Costumes]].
[[Image:Pewtervanburen.PNG|right]]
*[[User:Kookykman|Kookykman]] - Gave me the [[User:Kookykman/vanburen|'''Pewter Van Buren Award''']] for the cleanup type job I did on [[Trogdor]].
*[[User:Lapper|Lapper]] - Helped me fix up my page; One of my best buddies on the wiki; Helped (and made) my Babel.
*[[User:Rainer|Rainer]] - Helped me fix up my page; I took the HTML logo he created (below).
*[[User:Rogue Leader|Rogue Leader]] - Helped me fix up my page.
*[[User:Smileyface11945|Smileyface11945]] - Helped and encouraged me to create [[Hanging Objects]].
*[[user:Some HSR themed username|Some HSR themed username]] - Helped me fix up my page.
*[[User:Stu|Stu]] - Great guy, Übergeek.
*[[User:Thesmokingmonkey|Thesmokingmonkey]] - A very nice guy with cool Easter eggs on his page; I liked helping defending his great [[Pasta Salad]] page.
*[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] - Helped me fix up my page; A great fellow and one of the best buddies here; Two times translation contest winner.
'''''You guys rock.'''''

== Disgusting little chit-chats ==
I know I'm not a [[The Paper|man with green and white stripes]], but I do like to talk! We can discuss stuff via:
#[[User talk:E.L. Cool|My talk page]]
#[mailto:elcoolium@gmail.com My email]
#[irc://irc.freenode.net/hrwiki IRC chat channels]
#[[Wikipedia:MSN Messenger|MSN Messenger]] at e_l_cool@hotmail.com
#[[Wikipedia:Rishon LeZion|Rishon LeZion]]: Why not meet face to face?
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User:Elcool

Jweb Guru — Sun, 26 Feb 2006 19:15:34 GMT

Jweb Guru: Editing for validation (given permission by Elcool)

[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:E.L._Cool&action=purge Hold it. Control it. And buttons, come on, let's see you purge it!]
{{User:E.L. Cool/sfotdowos}}
I. Hate. Sauerkraut!
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==A Little [[User:E.L. Cool/otherhebsigs|']]Bout Myself==
[[Image:DndElcool.PNG|thumb|This goes to [[Minor_Teen_Girl_Squad_Characters#D_N.27D_Greg|DnD Greg]]: Hey! Quit bitin my style!]]

Hello. My name is E.L. Cool and this is my user space. I live in [[Wikipedia:Israel|Israel]] in a city called [[Wikipedia:Rishon LeZion|Rishon LeZion]]. I'm 18 years old and I am currently in the 12th grade. I look allot like DnD Greg - I have long (blonde) hair and quite skinny, but with glasses. If you asked me what is my favorite [[Toons|toon]] or [[Strong Bad Email]] I would have to answer like [[Strong Bad]] in [[personal favorites]]: ''"I love them all!"''. On the contrary, I do have favorite characters. Those are [[Strong Sad]] and [[The Poopsmith]]. If you ever chatted with me on the [[HRWiki:IRC channel|IRC channel]] you'd know I quote the site a lot, ranging from obscure ones like ''"[[impression|Those were moist towelettes!]]"'' to the more common one like ''"[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 4|Grood]]"''.

I first saw Homestar Runner when it got linked from a forum I was a member in. The first official thing I saw was the [[Intro]], then [[First Time Here?]]. From there I think I followed [[A Jorb Well Done]], but I don't really remember. The last email at that time was ether [[japanese cartoon]] or [[dragon]]. I also was a member of [http://www.homestarrunner.net/ .net] until its last days. I have the navy [[Homestar Runner]] cap, [[strongbad email.exe]] 1-3 and [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits]].

My interests other then H-star-R are the TV serieses [[Wikipedia:South Park|South Park]], [[Wikipedia:Law & Order|Law & Order]], [[Wikipedia:Samurai Jack|Samurai Jack]] and other animations. I listen to music by [[Wikipedia:"Weird Al" Yankovic|"Weird Al" Yankovic]], [[Wikipedia:Da Vinci's Notebook|Da Vinci's Notebook]], [[Wikipedia:The Presidents of the United States of America (band)|The Presidents of the United States of America]], [http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%A2_%D7%94%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%A0%D7%91%D7%95%D7%AA_%D7%A9%D7%9C_%D7%93%D7%A8%27_%D7%A7%D7%A1%D7%A4%D7%A8 Dr. Kasper's Rabbit Show] and other obscure bands. I read alot of webcomics, most of them can be found on [http://elcool.pbwiki.com/ComicsList this list] and sometime I ''will'' start my own webcomic called '''Ptitim Online'''. I'm also in a club called Yapa Vamar whom I made a wiki to, but it got closed. The Yapa Vamar Wiki shall rize again!

Note to other wikiers and IRC users: I'm doing what you can call, a graveyard shift. I edit at times when US and Canada timezones are at night. Therefor, the only times I'm readily available for instant chats or problem solving are early mornings and late nights in Eastern time zones.

{{User:E.L._Cool/sig}} [[HRWiki:Featured Article Selection|.]] {{User:E.L. Cool/hebsig}}

==What's with the name[[User:E.L. Cool/test2|?]]==
{{User:E.L. Cool/userbox}}
====The meaning of the name====
Well, let's break it down into pieces:

{| border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#ffffff|<div style="font-size: 400%; text-align: center"
|'''''E'''''||'''''.'''''||'''''L'''''||'''''.'''''|| ||'''''Cool'''''
|-
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|-<div style="text-align: center">
|My first initial||Dot||My last initial||Dot||Space||A megalomanian adjective
|}

Notice that there is no space between the '''''E.''''' and the '''''L.'''''. This is because my name is like myself: One. No separation.

====Evolution of the name====
#6th grade: E.L. Cool (Original name.)
#7th grade: e_l_cool ([[Wikipedia:Hotmail|Hotmail]] acount. Now closed.)
#8th grade: elcool (This change was forced because of forum limitations.)
#9th grade: Elcool ([[Wikipedia:ICQ|ICQ]] and another forum acounts.)
#10th grade: elcoolium (Thought this would be a nice change. [[Wikipedia:Gmail|Gmail]] acount.)
#11th grade: E.L. Cool of the Elcoolium Order of Greatness (full and official name. Used in [[Wikipedia:MSN Messenger|MSN Messenger]].)
#12th grade: E.L. Cool (Back to my roots.)

====Usage of the name====
*E.L. Cool: Formal username.
*E.L. Cool of the Elcoolium Order of Greatness: Formal full internet name.
*Elcool: Friendlier, faster to write name.

====The name in Hebrew====
*א.ל. קול: Same as E.L. Cool.
*אי אל קול: Phonetic reading of E.L. Cool.
*א.ל. קול ממסדר אלקוליום לגדולה: Same as Elcoolium of the Elcoolium Order of Greatness.
*אלקול: Same as Elcool.

==Project GHIIQ (pronounced ghick)[[User:E.L. Cool/templates|:]] Getting Homestar Into Israel, Quickly!==
[[Image:fifty.PNG|thumb|336px|And coming in at number 48.. It's Homestar!!]]
Currently working on spreading the Homestarmania here in [[Wikipedia:Israel|Israel]] by making the Israeli Homestar Runner page in the [http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%A2%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%93_%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%A9%D7%99 Hebrew Wikipedia]! Check it out (If you can...) [http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%94%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%A1%D7%98%D7%90%D7%A8_%D7%A8%D7%90%D7%A0%D7%A8 here] 
Check ''this'' out: [http://www.google.com Google] the words: '''Homestar Israel'''.

===Project Timeline===
This is the time line of the project since it began on 18.6.05.

'''Last Updated:''' 15.1.06.
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*18.6: Just finished the main characters and in the middle of TGS.
*19.6: Finished SCC and 1936. Can't wait to start on 20X6 :)
*22.6: Done with X6, started Cheat Commandos, but had to do other stuff. Will finish it later this day.
**Done. Next: Dangeresque.
*23.6: Dangeresque is done. What's next? Are there any more character "worlds" I need to cover? Or sould I start with site history now?
**[[Peasantry]]! How could I forget?
*24.6: Trogdor and Friends translated to Hebrew very nicely. What next about the minor characters? Maybe Li'l Brudder.
**<strike>Side note: I don't like it that Stinkoman and Trogdor got more lines than any main character. I need to change it sometime. Maybe tommorow; after all, Brudder isn't that big a toon, is he?</strike> (Done)
*1.7: Once the wiki went up again, done the Strong Bad Email section. Lookin' preaty good.
*2.7: PBTC and MAM are over, dude. Puppet stuff and Holiday specials tomorrow.
*3.7: Done with that. Is there enything else about the toons? I would realy like to start on the music section. (This thing is going to be bigger than the one in Wikipeida!! :D)
*6.7: Started completing the main characters. Homestar and Marzipan done. Will do the others when I come back from my driving lessons.
**On about midnight I've Pom Pom too.
*8.7: Strong Bad. Broke up with my girl. Baaaa...(In Hebrew that "baaaa" would have a hard A. Like a sound of puke.)
*9.7: I gave 'em a good ol' kick in The Cheat.
**Util CSI, made Strong Man Strong Sad.
*10.7: :'''COACH Z:''' Well we're good friends.
:'''BUBS:''' But don't you steal my napkins.
:'''COACH Z:''' I got fresh jams.
:'''BUBS:''' But I get all the royalties.
:'''COACH Z:''' ''{talking}'' I never agreed to that.
*11.7: Sorry, no update today. Going to the [http://www.maccabiusa.com/israel.htm Maccabiah] opening!
*12.7: I feel like [[Whatsit]].. The Kot and his Poopsmith are ready and done.
*13.7: The main 12 are here as of now that I finnished Homsar. Tommorow: The worl... I mean the site's history!
*14.7: Woho!! Guess who made it to the fiftyth longest articles it Hebrew Wikipeida and not even finished his project? I DID!! (Oh, and I wrote the site's history...)
*15.7: The music section is a pretty big one. Took me a while to collect all the data from this wiki.. And this article is now at number 37 for the longest.
*17.7: I don't like my new games section. Too short.
*13.8: Almost a month without an update. Lazy! Lazy Elcool! Go to bed and no Homestar for a week!
*17.8: After a month of no updates, I made the section about Easter Eggs and secret pages. (I think the English Wikipeidia need to translate ''my'' article. it's much more detailed)
*11.9: A new section if done: [[Store]]. Give it up of number 20 on Hebrew Wikipedia's longest artical!
*28.9: I nominated it to be a featured article on Hebrew Wikipedia. If you can read Hebrew, you can watch the votes <strike>[http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94:%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%92%D7%90%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9C%D7%94%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%92#.D7.94.D7.A6.D7.A2.D7.95.D7.AA: here]</strike>. Corrent status: 1 votes '''for'''.
*1.10: The article went up to a higher level of voting, although no one else have voted for it. From now on, you can watch the votes in <strike>[http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94:%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%94%D7%95%D7%A1%D7%A4%D7%94_%D7%9C%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%9D#.D7.94.D7.95.D7.9E.D7.A1.D7.98.D7.90.D7.A8_.D7.A8.D7.90.D7.A0.D7.A8 here]</strike>.
*2.10: '''For''': 1; '''Against''': 1; '''Maybe''': 1.
*4.10: '''For''': 1; '''Against''': 2; '''Maybe''': 1.
*5.10: '''For''': 1; '''Against''': 4; '''Maybe''': 1. (Well, at least they give me some pointers..)
*16.10: The votes are done, and declined. An archived version of the votes can be found [http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%95%D7%99%D7%A7%D7%99%D7%A4%D7%93%D7%99%D7%94:%D7%9E%D7%90%D7%9E%D7%A8%D7%99%D7%9D_%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%94%D7%95%D7%A1%D7%A4%D7%94_%D7%9C%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%9E%D7%9C%D7%A6%D7%99%D7%9D/%D7%90%D7%A8%D7%9B%D7%99%D7%95%D7%9F_3#.D7.94.D7.95.D7.9E.D7.A1.D7.98.D7.90.D7.A8_.D7.A8.D7.90.D7.A0.D7.A8 here]. The pointers:
**Urgent need for grammer check by someone familiar with the subject.
**Too Hebrish.
**Too list-like and too long.
*28.10: Put it up for a clean-up.
*5.11: Remembered to post the update above :P
*15.1: [[User:Tom|Tom]] updated the [http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%AA%D7%9E%D7%95%D7%A0%D7%94:Homestar_Runner_logo.png logo] to the new one.
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==Me and the Wiki==
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<th> Current Projects[[User:E.L. Cool/facts|:]] </th>
<th> Ongoing projecs: </th>
<th> Past projects: </th>
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*Standarizing [[Other Costumes]] with [[User:Joshua|Joshua]].
**Putting all the costumes in chronological order. Pages done:
***[[Bubs Other Costumes|Bubs]] {{tick}}
***[[The King of Town Other Costumes|The King of Town]] {{tick}}
***[[Teen Girl Squad Other Costumes|TGS]] {{tick}}
***[[Cheat Commandos Other Costumes|Commandos]] {{tick}}
***[[Little Strong Sad Other Costumes|Lil Strong Sad]] {{tick}}
***[[Coach Z Other Costumes|Coach Z]] {{tick}}
***[[Homsar Other Costumes|Homsar]] {{tick}}
***[[The Poopsmith Other Costumes|The Poopsmith]] {{tick}}
***[[Strong Mad Other Costumes|Graw Mad]] {{tick}}
***[[Marzipan Other Costumes|Marzipan]] {{tick}}
***[[Sweet Cuppin' Cakes Other Costumes|Cuppin' Cakes]] {{tick}}
***[[20X6 Other Costumes|20X6]] {{tick}}
***[[Old-Timey Other Costumes|Old-Timey]] {{tick}}
*[[Everybody to the Limit Visuals|Finish]] several stubs.
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*Standardizing [[HRWiki talk:Standards#Image Standards|images]] with [[User:Homestar Coder|Homestar Coder]]
**Gallery pages done:
***[[Games]] {{tick}}
***[[Items]] {{tick}}
***[[Characters]] {{tick}}
***[[Arrow'd Guy]] {{tick}}
***[[Places]] {{tick}}
*Adding [[Other Costumes]] as I see them. (58 costumes added)
**Complete pages made by me:
***[[Other Costumes#Teen Girl Squad|Teen Girl Squad]] {{tick}}
***[[Other Costumes#Cheat Commandos|Cheat Commandos]] {{tick}}
*general [[HRWiki:WikiGnome|gnoming]].
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*Made [[Rejected Characters|Old Characters]]. My first page creation. {{tick}}
*Adding [[:Template:Film|Film]] template to every toon, email, answering machine, menu, and anything with filmography categories beneath it. {{tick}}
*Standardizing [[Peasant's Quest Responses]]. {{tick}}
*Making [[Template:featuredarticle|Featured Article]] template and all the things [[:Category:Featured articles|around it]]. {{tick}}
*Making and listing of [[Strong Bad Hurting Strong Sad]].{{tick}}
*Splitting [[Other Costumes]]. {{tick}}
*Making [[Hanging Objects]] page. {{tick}}
*Transcribing [[Homestar vs. Other Little Girl]]. {{tick}}
*De-stubbed [[Trogdor]]. {{tick}}
*Transcribed the Easter egg in [[The Cheatar]]. {{tick}}
*Made [[Pizza]] {{tick}}
*Made [[Hyperactive Strong Sad]] {{tick}}
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</tr>
</table>

==List O[http://elcool.pbwiki.com/WereDrunk '] Very Awesome Users==

''(Listed in alphabetical order}''
*[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] - I like to think of him as the glue that keep us together.
*[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] - Helped me fix up my page; One of the best admins ever.
*[[User:Bubsty|Bubsty]] - Showed me the code for scrolling text in my userpage.
*[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] - Helped me fix up my page.
*[[User:FireBird|FireBird]] - I can't tell you why he's awesome, but he is.
*[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] - Helped me fix up my page.
[[Image:kinggame_win.png|right|100px]]
*[[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] - Great guy. <s>Owes me cupcakes</s>. Not no more!
*[[User:Homestar Coder|Homestar Coder]] - Helped me with my image caption project.
*[[User:Homestramy20|Homestramy20]] - One of my best buddies on the wiki; Chatted with regularly.
*[[user:It's dot com|It's dot com]] - Helped me fix up my page; One of the best admins ever; Made [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Glossary&oldid=197490 HRWiki:Glossery] on my suggestion.
*[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] - The best person to ever walk this planet.
*[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] - Helped me with [[Other Costumes]].
[[Image:Pewtervanburen.PNG|right]]
*[[User:Kookykman|Kookykman]] - Gave me the [[User:Kookykman/vanburen|'''Pewter Van Buren Award''']] for the cleanup type job I did on [[Trogdor]].
*[[User:Lapper|Lapper]] - Helped me fix up my page; One of my best buddies on the wiki; Helped (and made) my Babel.
*[[User:Rainer|Rainer]] - Helped me fix up my page; I took the HTML logo he created (below).
*[[User:Rogue Leader|Rogue Leader]] - Helped me fix up my page.
*[[User:Smileyface11945|Smileyface11945]] - Helped and encouraged me to create [[Hanging Objects]].
*[[user:Some HSR themed username|Some HSR themed username]] - Helped me fix up my page.
*[[User:Stu|Stu]] - Great guy, Übergeek.
*[[User:Thesmokingmonkey|Thesmokingmonkey]] - A very nice guy with cool Easter eggs on his page; I liked helping defending his great [[Pasta Salad]] page.
*[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] - Helped me fix up my page; A great fellow and one of the best buddies here; Two times translation contest winner.
'''''You guys rock.'''''

== Disgusting little chit-chats ==
I know I'm not a [[The Paper|man with green and white stripes]], but I do like to talk! We can discuss stuff via:
#[[User talk:E.L. Cool|My talk page]]
#[mailto:elcoolium@gmail.com My email]
#[irc://irc.freenode.net/hrwiki IRC chat channels]
#[[Wikipedia:MSN Messenger|MSN Messenger]] at e_l_cool@hotmail.com
#[[Wikipedia:Rishon LeZion|Rishon LeZion]]: Why not meet face to face?
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Help:Editing

Jweb Guru — Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:44:59 GMT

Jweb Guru: Hopefully final edits for validation.

==General==
To edit a page, click on "'''edit'''" link at the top of the page or along one of its edges.

After adding to or changing the wikitext, press "Show preview", which produces the corresponding webpage in your browser but does not make it publicly available yet (not until you press "Save page"). Errors in formatting, links, tables, etc., are often much easier to discover from the rendered page than from the raw wikitext.

If you are not satisfied you can make more changes and preview the page as many times as necessary. Then write a short edit summary in the small text field below the edit-box and when finished press "Save page". Depending on your system, pressing the "Enter" key while the edit box is not active (i.e., there is no typing cursor in it) may have the same effect as pressing "Save page".

You may find it more convenient to copy and paste the text first into your favorite text editor, edit and spell check it there, and then paste it back into your web browser to preview. This way, you can also keep a local backup copy of the pages you have edited. It also allows you to make changes offline, but before you submit your changes, ''please make sure nobody else has edited the page'' since you saved your local copy (by checking the page history), otherwise you may accidentally revert someone else's edits. If someone ''has'' edited it since you copied the page, you'll have to merge their edits into your new version (you can find their specific edits by using the "diff" feature of the page history). These issues are handled automatically by the Mediawiki software if you edit the page online, retrieving and submitting the wikicode in the same text box.

== Dummy edit ==

If the wikitext is not changed no edit will be recorded and the edit summary is discarded.

A dummy edit is a change in wikitext that has no effect on the rendered page. This allows an edit summary, and is useful for correcting a previous edit summary, or an accidental marking of a previous edit as "minor" (see below). Also it is sometimes needed to refresh the cache of some item in the database.

== Minor edits ==
When editing a page, a logged in user has the option of flagging the edit as a "minor edit". When to use this is somewhat a matter of personal preference. The rule of thumb is that an edit of a page that is spelling corrections, formatting, and minor rearranging of text should be flagged as a "minor edit". A major edit is basically something that makes the entry worth relooking at for somebody who wants to watch the article rather closely, so any "real" change, even if it is a single word. This feature is important, because users can choose to ''hide'' minor edits in their view of the [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]] to keep the volume of edits down to a manageable level.

The reason for not allowing a user who is not logged in to mark an edit as minor is that vandalism could then be marked as a minor edit, in which case it would stay unnoticed longer. This limitation is another reason to log in.

== The wiki markup ==
In the left column of the table below, you can see what effects are possible. In the right column, you can see how those effects were achieved. In other words, to make text look like it looks in the left column, type it in the format you see in the right column.

You may want to keep this page open in a separate browser window for reference. If you want to try out things without danger of doing any harm, you can do so in the [[HRwiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]].

=== Sections, paragraphs, lists and lines ===
<table border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0">
<tr>
<th>What it looks like</th>
<th>What you type</th>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Start your sections with header lines:




 New section 

 Subsection 

 Sub-subsection 

</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>

== New section ==

=== Subsection ===

==== Sub-subsection ====
</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
New line:

A single
new line
has no
effect on the
layout.

But an empty line

starts a new paragraph.

</td>
<td>
<pre><nowiki>
A single
newline
has no
effect on the
layout.

But an empty line

starts a new paragraph.</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>You can break lines 
without starting a new paragraph.
Sufficient as wikitext code is , the XHTML code is not needed, the system produces this code.</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>You can break lines 
without starting a new paragraph.</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
* Lists are easy to do:
** start every line with a star
*** more stars means deeper levels
*A newline
*in a list
marks the end of the list.
*Of course
*you can
*start again.

</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>* Lists are easy to do:
** start every line with a star
*** more stars means deeper levels
*A newline
*in a list
marks the end of the list.
*Of course
*you can
*start again.

</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
# Numbered lists are also good
## very organized
## easy to follow
#A newline
#in a list
marks the end of the list.
#New numbering starts
#with 1.

</td>
<td><pre><nowiki># Numbered lists are also good
## very organized
## easy to follow
#A newline
#in a list
marks the end of the list.
#New numbering starts
#with 1.
</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
* You can even do mixed lists
*# and nest them
*#* like this or have newlines inside lists
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>* You can even do mixed lists
*# and nest them
*#* like this or have newlines inside lists</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
* You can also
**break lines inside lists like this
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>* You can also
**break lines inside lists like this</nowiki></pre>
</td></tr>
<tr>
<td>
; Definition list : list of definitions
; item : the item's definition
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>; Definition list : list
of definitions
; item : the item's definition</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
:A colon indents a line or paragraph.
A manual newline starts a new paragraph.
* This is primarily for displayed material, but is also used for discussion on talk pages.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>: A colon indents a line or paragraph.
A manual newline starts a new paragraph.
</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>
<pre><nowiki>IF a line of plain text starts with a space THEN
it will be formatted exactly
as typed;
in a fixed-width font;
lines won't wrap;
ENDIF
this is useful for:
* pasting preformatted text;
* algorithm descriptions;
* program source code
* ASCII art;
* chemical structures;</nowiki></pre>

WARNING If you make it wide,
you force the whole page to be wide and hence less readable. Never start ordinary lines with spaces. 
<center>(see also below)</center>
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki> IF a line of plain text starts with a space THEN
it will be formatted exactly
as typed;
in a fixed-width font;
lines won't wrap;
ENDIF
this is useful for:
* pasting preformatted text;
* algorithm descriptions;
* program source code
* ASCII art;
* chemical structures;</nowiki></pre></td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td style="text-align:center">Centered text.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki><div style="text-align:center">Centered text.</div></nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>A horizontal dividing line: above
----

and below.

Mainly useful for separating threads on Talk pages.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>A horizontal dividing line: above
----
and below. </nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
</table>

Summarizing the effect of a single newline: no effect in general, but it ends a list item or indented part; thus changing some text into a list item, or indenting it, is more cumbersome if it contains newlines, they have to be removed.

=== Links, URLs ===

<table border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0">
<tr>
<th>What it looks like</th>
<th>What you type</th>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>Sue is reading [[Strong Bad Email]].
*First letter of target is not automatically capitalized, unlike Wikipedia.
*Internally spaces are automatically represented as underscores (typing an underscore has the same effect as typing a space, but is not recommended).
Thus the link above is to <nowiki>http://hrwiki.org/index.php/Strong_Bad_Email</nowiki>, which is the page with the name "Strong Bad Email".
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>Sue is reading [[Strong Bad Email]].</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr><td>
Link to a section on a page, e.g.
[[Strong Bad Email#Strong Bad Email Menus]]; when section editing does not work the link is treated as link to the page, i.e. to the top; this applies for:
*links to non-existent sections
*links in redirects
*interwiki links
</td><td><pre><nowiki>[[Strong Bad Email#Strong Bad Email Menus]].</nowiki></pre></td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>Link target and link label are different: [[Help:Contents|help]].

(This is called a piped link).
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>Link target and link label are different:
[[Help:Contents|help]]</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>Endings are blended into the link: [[Strong Bad Email]]s</td>
<td>
<pre><nowiki>Endings are blended
into the link: [[Strong Bad Email]]s,</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>
Automatically hide stuff in parentheses: [[Marzipan (character)|Marzipan]].
Automatically hide namespace: [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]].

The server fills in the part after the | when you save the page. Next time you open the edit box you will see the expanded piped link. A preview interprets the abbreviated form correctly, but does not expand it yet in the edit box. Press Save and again Edit, and you will see the expanded version. The same applies for the following feature.
</td>
<td>
<pre><nowiki>Automatically hide stuff in parentheses:
[[Marzipan (character)|]]. </nowiki></pre>
<pre><nowiki>Automatically hide namespace:
[[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|]].</nowiki></pre>
</td></tr>
<tr>
<td>When adding a comment to a Talk page,
you should sign it. You can do this by
adding three tildes for your user name:
: [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]]
or four for user name plus date/time:
: [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 08:10 Oct 5, 2002 (UTC)
five gives just the date/time:
: 08:10 Oct 5, 2002 (UTC)
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>When adding a comment to a Talk page,
you should sign it. You can do this by
adding three tildes for your user name:
: ~~~
or four for user name plus date/time:
: ~~~~
five gives just the date/time:
: ~~~~~</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>[[The weather in London]] is a page that does not yet exist.
*You can create it by clicking on the link.
*To create a new page:
*#Create a link to it on some other page.
*#Save that page.
*#Click on the link you just made. The new page will open for editing.
''Note: Please do not create this page. The link is meant as an example and is not a necessary article.''
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>[[The weather in London]] is a page
that doesn't exist yet.</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>
Redirect one article title to another by putting text like this in its first line.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Senor]]</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>"What links here" and "Related changes" can be linked as: 
[[Special:Whatlinkshere/Strong Bad]] and
[[Special:Recentchangeslinked/Strong Bad]]
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>
[[Special:Whatlinkshere/
Strong Bad]] and
[[Special:Recentchangeslinked/
Strong Bad]]</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>External links: [http://www.homestarrunner.com Homestar Runner], [http://www.homestarrunner.com]
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>External links:
[http://www.homestarrunner.com Homestar Runner],
[http://www.homestarrunner.com]</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>Or just give the URL: http://www.homestarrunner.com.
*In the URL all symbols must be among: A-Z a-z 0-9 ._\/~%-+&#?!=()@ \x80-\xFF. If a URL contains a different character it should be converted; for example, ^ has to be written %5E (to be looked up in ASCII). A blank space can also be converted into an underscore.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>Or just give the URL:
http://www.homestarrunner.com.</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
To link to books, you can use ISBN links.
ISBN 0123456789X
</td>
<td>
<pre><nowiki>ISBN 0123456789X</nowiki></pre>
</td></tr>
<tr>
<td>
Link to [[Wikipedia:Request for Comments|Request for Comments]]: RFC 123 (URL specified in [[mediawiki:Rfcurl]])
</td>
<td>
<pre><nowiki>RFC 123</nowiki></pre>
</td></tr>
<tr>
<td>
To include links to non-image uploads such as sounds, use a "media" link.
 [[media:Sg_mrob.ogg|Sound]]
</td>
<td>
<pre>
<nowiki>
[[media:Sg_mrob.ogg|Sound]]
</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>Use links for dates, so everyone can set their own display order. Use [[Special:Preferences]] to change your own date display setting.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>[[July 20]], [[1969]] , [[20 July]] [[1969]]
and [[1969]]-[[07-20]]
</nowiki></pre>will all appear as [[20 July]] [[1969]] if you set your date display preference to 1 January 2001.
</td>
</tr>
</table>

=== Images ===

<table border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0">
<tr>
<th>What it looks like</th>
<th>What you type</th>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>A picture: [[Image:homestar.PNG|The Homestar Runner is a terrific athlete.]]
*To upload images, use the [[Special:Upload|upload page]]. You can find the uploaded image on the [[Special:Imagelist|image list]].
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>
A picture: [[Image:homestar.PNG]]</nowiki></pre>
or, with alternate text (''strongly'' recommended) 
<pre><nowiki>[[Image:homestar.PNG|The Homestar Runner is a terrific athlete]] </nowiki>
</pre>
Web browsers render alternate text when not displaying an image -- for example, when the image isn't loaded, or in a text-only browser, or when spoken aloud.
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Clicking on an uploaded image displays a description page, which you can also link directly to: [[:Image:homestar.PNG]]
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>
[[:Image:homestar.PNG]]
</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>



</table>

=== Character formatting ===

<table border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0">
<tr>
<th>What it looks like</th>
<th>What you type</th>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>
''Emphasize'', '''strongly''', '''''very strongly'''''.
*These are double and triple apostrophes, not double quotes.
</td>
<td>
<pre><nowiki>''Emphasize'', '''strongly''',
'''''very strongly'''''.</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>
You can also write italic and bold
if the desired effect is a specific font style
rather than emphasis, as in mathematical formulae:
:F = ma
*However, the difference between these two methods is not very important for graphical browsers, and many people choose to ignore it.
</td>
<td>
<pre><nowiki>You can also write italic
and bold if the desired effect is a
specific font style rather than emphasis, as
in mathematical formulas:
:F = ma</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>A typewriter font for <tt>technical terms</tt>.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>A typewriter font for
<tt>technical terms</tt>.</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>You can use small text for captions.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>You can use small text
for captions.</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>You can <strike>strike out deleted material</strike>
and underline new material.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>You can <strike>strike out deleted material</strike>
and underline new material.</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>
'''Umlauts and accents:''' 
è é ê ë ì í 
 
À Á Â Ã Ä Å 
Æ Ç È É Ê Ë 
Ì Í
Î Ï Ñ Ò 
Ó Ô Õ
Ö Ø Ù 
Ú Û Ü ß
à á 
â ã ä å æ
ç 
è é ê ë ì í 
î ï ñ ò ó ô 
&oelig; õ
ö ø ù ú 
û ü ÿ
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>

è é ê ë ì í

&Agrave; &Aacute; &Acirc; &Atilde; &Auml; &Aring;
&AElig; &Ccedil; &Egrave; &Eacute; &Ecirc; &Euml;
&Igrave; &Iacute; &Icirc; &Iuml; &Ntilde; &Ograve;
&Oacute; &Ocirc; &Otilde; &Ouml; &Oslash; &Ugrave;
&Uacute; &Ucirc; &Uuml; &szlig; &agrave; &aacute;
&acirc; &atilde; &auml; &aring; &aelig; &ccedil;
&egrave; &eacute; &ecirc; &euml; &igrave; &iacute;
&icirc; &iuml; &ntilde; &ograve; &oacute; &ocirc;
&oelig; &otilde; &ouml; &oslash; &ugrave; &uacute;
&ucirc; &uuml; &yuml;</nowiki></pre></td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>
'''Punctuation:''' 
¿ ¡ « » § ¶ 
&dagger; &Dagger; • —
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>
&iquest; &iexcl; &laquo; &raquo; &sect; &para;
&dagger; &Dagger; &bull; &mdash;</nowiki></pre></td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>
'''Commercial symbols:''' 
™ © ® ¢ € ¥ 
£ ¤</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>
&trade; &copy; &reg; &cent; &euro; &yen;
&pound; &curren;
</nowiki></pre></td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top" id="subscript"><td>Subscript: x2 
Superscript: x2 or x²

*The latter method of superscript can't be used in the most general context, but is preferred when possible (as with units of measurement) because most browsers have an easier time formatting lines with it.
ε0 =
8.85 × 10−12
C² / J m.
 
 
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>Subscript: x2
Superscript: x2 or x&sup2;

or in projects with the templates sub and sup:

Subscript: x{{sub|2}}
Superscript: x{{sup|2}}

&epsilon;0 =
8.85 &times; 10&minus;12
C&sup2; / J m.

</nowiki></pre></td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>'''Greek characters:''' 
Α Β Γ Δ Ε Ζ 
Η Θ Ι Κ Λ Μ Ν 
Ξ Ο Π Ρ Σ 
Τ Υ Φ Χ Ψ Ω 
α β γ δ ε ζ 
η θ ι κ λ μ ν 
ξ ο π ρ σ &sigmaf; 
τ υ φ χ ψ ω
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>
&Alpha; &Beta; &Gamma; &Delta; &Epsilon; &Zeta;
&Eta; &Theta; &Iota; &Kappa; &Lambda; &Mu; &Nu;
&Xi; &Omicron; &Pi; &Rho; &Sigma;
&Tau; &Upsilon; &Phi; &Chi; &Psi; &Omega;
&alpha; &beta; &gamma; &delta; &epsilon; &zeta;
&eta; &theta; &iota; &kappa; &lambda; &mu; &nu;
&xi; &omicron; &pi; &rho; &sigma; &sigmaf;
&tau; &upsilon; &phi; &chi; &psi; &omega;
</nowiki></pre></td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>
'''Math characters:''' 
∫ ∑ ∏ √ − ± ∞ 
≈ &prop; &equiv; ≠ ≤ ≥ → 
× · ÷ ∂ ′ ″ 
∇ &permil; ° &there4; &alefsym; ø 
∈ ∉ ∩ ∪ ⊂ ⊃ &sube; &supe; 
¬ &and; &or; ∃ ∀ ⇒ ⇔ 
→ ↔ 
</td>
<td valign="middle"><pre><nowiki>
&int; &sum; &prod; &radic; &minus; &plusmn; &infin;
&asymp; &prop; &equiv; &ne; &le; &ge; &rarr;
&times; &middot; &divide; &part; &prime; &Prime;
&nabla; &permil; &deg; &there4; &alefsym; &oslash;
&isin; &notin; &cap; &cup; &sub; &sup; &sube; &supe;
&not; &and; &or; &exist; &forall; &rArr; &hArr;
&rarr; &harr;</nowiki></pre></td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>x2   ≥   0 true.
*To space things out, use non-breaking spaces - <tt>&nbsp;</tt>.
*<tt>&nbsp;</tt> also prevents line breaks in the middle of text, this is useful in formulas.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>
x2&nbsp;&nbsp;&ge;&nbsp;&nbsp;0 true.
</nowiki></pre></td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td>
'''For comparison for the following examples:'''

arrow →

''italics''
[[link]]
</td>
<td valign="bottom">
<pre><nowiki>arrow &rarr;

''italics''
[[link]]</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
'''Use <nowiki> to suppress interpretation of wiki markup, but interpret character references and remove newlines and multiple spaces:'''

<nowiki>arrow →

''italics''
[[link]]
</nowiki>
</td>
<td valign="bottom">
<pre><nowiki><nowiki>arrow &rarr;

''italics''
[[link]]</nowiki></nowiki></pre>

</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
'''Use <pre> to suppress interpretation of wiki markup and keep newlines and multiple spaces, and get typewriter font, but interpret character references:'''

<pre>arrow →

''italics''
[[link]]
</pre>
</td>
<td valign="bottom">
<pre><nowiki><pre>arrow &rarr;

''italics''
[[link]]</pre></nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
'''Use leading space on each line to keep newlines and multiple spaces, and get typewriter font:
arrow →

''italics''
[[link]]
</td>
<td valign="bottom">
<pre> <nowiki>arrow &rarr;

''italics''
[[link]]</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
'''Use typewriter font:'''

<tt>arrow →</tt>

<tt>''italics''</tt>
<tt>[[link]]</tt>

</td>
<td valign="bottom">
<pre><nowiki><tt>arrow &rarr;</tt>

<tt>''italics''</tt>
<tt>[[link]]</nowiki></tt></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
'''Show character references:'''

&rarr;
</td>
<td valign="bottom">
<pre>&amp;rarr;</pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
'''Commenting page source:''' 
''not shown in page''
* Used to leave comments in a page for future editors.
</td>
<td>
<pre><nowiki></nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
</table>

=== HTML Tables ===

HTML tables can be quite useful as well. For details on how to use them and discussion about when they are appropriate, see [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Table MediaWiki User's Guide: Using tables].

==Templates==

Some part of a page may correspond in the edit box to just a reference to another page, in the form <nowiki>{{</nowiki>''name''<nowiki>}}</nowiki>, referring to the page "Template:''name''" (or if the name starts with a namespace prefix, it refers to the page with that name; if it starts with a colon it refers to the page in the main namespace with that name without the colon). This is called a template. For changing that part of the page, edit that other page. Sometimes a separate edit link is provided for this purpose. A convenient way to put such a link in a template is with a template like [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Ed m:Template:ed]. Note that the change also affects other pages which use the same template.

==Page protection==

In a few cases the link labeled "{{MediaWiki:Editthispage}}" is replaced by the text "{{MediaWiki:Protectedpage}}". In that case the page can not be edited.

==Separating edits==

When moving or copying a piece of text within a page or from another page, and also making other edits, it is useful to separate these edits. This way the diff function can be usefully applied for checking these other edits.

==[[HRWiki:WikiTroll|Trolls]]==

The bad news is that occasionally a ''Wiki Troll'' will deface a page. The good news is that any page can be reverted back to a previous version:

''Simply click "history" at the top of the page you wish to roll back. Then click on the time and date of the archived version you want to revert back to. The page will appear with the version indicated at the top of the page, just underneath the page title. Next, click "edit" at the top of the page. Add a note in the Summary box that you are reverting the page because of a troll, and then click "Save page".''

[[Category:Help|E]]

Help:Editing

Jweb Guru — Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:43:04 GMT

Jweb Guru: Fixing a little more validation

==General==
To edit a page, click on "'''edit'''" link at the top of the page or along one of its edges.

After adding to or changing the wikitext, press "Show preview", which produces the corresponding webpage in your browser but does not make it publicly available yet (not until you press "Save page"). Errors in formatting, links, tables, etc., are often much easier to discover from the rendered page than from the raw wikitext.

If you are not satisfied you can make more changes and preview the page as many times as necessary. Then write a short edit summary in the small text field below the edit-box and when finished press "Save page". Depending on your system, pressing the "Enter" key while the edit box is not active (i.e., there is no typing cursor in it) may have the same effect as pressing "Save page".

You may find it more convenient to copy and paste the text first into your favorite text editor, edit and spell check it there, and then paste it back into your web browser to preview. This way, you can also keep a local backup copy of the pages you have edited. It also allows you to make changes offline, but before you submit your changes, ''please make sure nobody else has edited the page'' since you saved your local copy (by checking the page history), otherwise you may accidentally revert someone else's edits. If someone ''has'' edited it since you copied the page, you'll have to merge their edits into your new version (you can find their specific edits by using the "diff" feature of the page history). These issues are handled automatically by the Mediawiki software if you edit the page online, retrieving and submitting the wikicode in the same text box.

== Dummy edit ==

If the wikitext is not changed no edit will be recorded and the edit summary is discarded.

A dummy edit is a change in wikitext that has no effect on the rendered page. This allows an edit summary, and is useful for correcting a previous edit summary, or an accidental marking of a previous edit as "minor" (see below). Also it is sometimes needed to refresh the cache of some item in the database.

== Minor edits ==
When editing a page, a logged in user has the option of flagging the edit as a "minor edit". When to use this is somewhat a matter of personal preference. The rule of thumb is that an edit of a page that is spelling corrections, formatting, and minor rearranging of text should be flagged as a "minor edit". A major edit is basically something that makes the entry worth relooking at for somebody who wants to watch the article rather closely, so any "real" change, even if it is a single word. This feature is important, because users can choose to ''hide'' minor edits in their view of the [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]] to keep the volume of edits down to a manageable level.

The reason for not allowing a user who is not logged in to mark an edit as minor is that vandalism could then be marked as a minor edit, in which case it would stay unnoticed longer. This limitation is another reason to log in.

== The wiki markup ==
In the left column of the table below, you can see what effects are possible. In the right column, you can see how those effects were achieved. In other words, to make text look like it looks in the left column, type it in the format you see in the right column.

You may want to keep this page open in a separate browser window for reference. If you want to try out things without danger of doing any harm, you can do so in the [[HRwiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]].

=== Sections, paragraphs, lists and lines ===
<table border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0">
<tr>
<th>What it looks like</th>
<th>What you type</th>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Start your sections with header lines:




 New section 

 Subsection 

 Sub-subsection 

</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>

== New section ==

=== Subsection ===

==== Sub-subsection ====
</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
New line:

A single
new line
has no
effect on the
layout.

But an empty line

starts a new paragraph.

</td>
<td>
<pre><nowiki>
A single
newline
has no
effect on the
layout.

But an empty line

starts a new paragraph.</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>You can break lines 
without starting a new paragraph.
Sufficient as wikitext code is , the XHTML code is not needed, the system produces this code.</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>You can break lines 
without starting a new paragraph.</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
* Lists are easy to do:
** start every line with a star
*** more stars means deeper levels
*A newline
*in a list
marks the end of the list.
*Of course
*you can
*start again.

</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>* Lists are easy to do:
** start every line with a star
*** more stars means deeper levels
*A newline
*in a list
marks the end of the list.
*Of course
*you can
*start again.

</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
# Numbered lists are also good
## very organized
## easy to follow
#A newline
#in a list
marks the end of the list.
#New numbering starts
#with 1.

</td>
<td><pre><nowiki># Numbered lists are also good
## very organized
## easy to follow
#A newline
#in a list
marks the end of the list.
#New numbering starts
#with 1.
</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
* You can even do mixed lists
*# and nest them
*#* like this or have newlines inside lists
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>* You can even do mixed lists
*# and nest them
*#* like this or have newlines inside lists</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
* You can also
**break lines inside lists like this
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>* You can also
**break lines inside lists like this</nowiki></pre>
</td></tr>
<tr>
<td>
; Definition list : list of definitions
; item : the item's definition
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>; Definition list : list
of definitions
; item : the item's definition</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
:A colon indents a line or paragraph.
A manual newline starts a new paragraph.
* This is primarily for displayed material, but is also used for discussion on talk pages.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>: A colon indents a line or paragraph.
A manual newline starts a new paragraph.
</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>
<pre><nowiki>IF a line of plain text starts with a space THEN
it will be formatted exactly
as typed;
in a fixed-width font;
lines won't wrap;
ENDIF
this is useful for:
* pasting preformatted text;
* algorithm descriptions;
* program source code
* ASCII art;
* chemical structures;</nowiki></pre>

WARNING If you make it wide,
you force the whole page to be wide and hence less readable. Never start ordinary lines with spaces. 
<center>(see also below)</center>
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki> IF a line of plain text starts with a space THEN
it will be formatted exactly
as typed;
in a fixed-width font;
lines won't wrap;
ENDIF
this is useful for:
* pasting preformatted text;
* algorithm descriptions;
* program source code
* ASCII art;
* chemical structures;</nowiki></pre></td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td style="text-align:center">Centered text.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki><div style="text-align:center">Centered text.</div></nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>A horizontal dividing line: above
----

and below.

Mainly useful for separating threads on Talk pages.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>A horizontal dividing line: above
----
and below. </nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
</table>

Summarizing the effect of a single newline: no effect in general, but it ends a list item or indented part; thus changing some text into a list item, or indenting it, is more cumbersome if it contains newlines, they have to be removed.

=== Links, URLs ===

<table border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0">
<tr>
<th>What it looks like</th>
<th>What you type</th>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>Sue is reading [[Strong Bad Email]].
*First letter of target is not automatically capitalized, unlike Wikipedia.
*Internally spaces are automatically represented as underscores (typing an underscore has the same effect as typing a space, but is not recommended).
Thus the link above is to <nowiki>http://hrwiki.org/index.php/Strong_Bad_Email</nowiki>, which is the page with the name "Strong Bad Email".
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>Sue is reading [[Strong Bad Email]].</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr><td>
Link to a section on a page, e.g.
[[Strong Bad Email#Strong Bad Email Menus]]; when section editing does not work the link is treated as link to the page, i.e. to the top; this applies for:
*links to non-existent sections
*links in redirects
*interwiki links
</td><td><pre><nowiki>[[Strong Bad Email#Strong Bad Email Menus]].</nowiki></pre></td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>Link target and link label are different: [[Help:Contents|help]].

(This is called a piped link).
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>Link target and link label are different:
[[Help:Contents|help]]</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>Endings are blended into the link: [[Strong Bad Email]]s</td>
<td>
<pre><nowiki>Endings are blended
into the link: [[Strong Bad Email]]s,</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>
Automatically hide stuff in parentheses: [[Marzipan (character)|Marzipan]].
Automatically hide namespace: [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]].

The server fills in the part after the | when you save the page. Next time you open the edit box you will see the expanded piped link. A preview interprets the abbreviated form correctly, but does not expand it yet in the edit box. Press Save and again Edit, and you will see the expanded version. The same applies for the following feature.
</td>
<td>
<pre><nowiki>Automatically hide stuff in parentheses:
[[Marzipan (character)|]]. </nowiki></pre>
<pre><nowiki>Automatically hide namespace:
[[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|]].</nowiki></pre>
</td></tr>
<tr>
<td>When adding a comment to a Talk page,
you should sign it. You can do this by
adding three tildes for your user name:
: [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]]
or four for user name plus date/time:
: [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 08:10 Oct 5, 2002 (UTC)
five gives just the date/time:
: 08:10 Oct 5, 2002 (UTC)
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>When adding a comment to a Talk page,
you should sign it. You can do this by
adding three tildes for your user name:
: ~~~
or four for user name plus date/time:
: ~~~~
five gives just the date/time:
: ~~~~~</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>[[The weather in London]] is a page that does not yet exist.
*You can create it by clicking on the link.
*To create a new page:
*#Create a link to it on some other page.
*#Save that page.
*#Click on the link you just made. The new page will open for editing.
''Note: Please do not create this page. The link is meant as an example and is not a necessary article.''
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>[[The weather in London]] is a page
that doesn't exist yet.</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>
Redirect one article title to another by putting text like this in its first line.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Senor]]</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>"What links here" and "Related changes" can be linked as: 
[[Special:Whatlinkshere/Strong Bad]] and
[[Special:Recentchangeslinked/Strong Bad]]
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>
[[Special:Whatlinkshere/
Strong Bad]] and
[[Special:Recentchangeslinked/
Strong Bad]]</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>External links: [http://www.homestarrunner.com Homestar Runner], [http://www.homestarrunner.com]
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>External links:
[http://www.homestarrunner.com Homestar Runner],
[http://www.homestarrunner.com]</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>Or just give the URL: http://www.homestarrunner.com.
*In the URL all symbols must be among: A-Z a-z 0-9 ._\/~%-+&#?!=()@ \x80-\xFF. If a URL contains a different character it should be converted; for example, ^ has to be written %5E (to be looked up in ASCII). A blank space can also be converted into an underscore.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>Or just give the URL:
http://www.homestarrunner.com.</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
To link to books, you can use ISBN links.
ISBN 0123456789X
</td>
<td>
<pre><nowiki>ISBN 0123456789X</nowiki></pre>
</td></tr>
<tr>
<td>
Link to [[Wikipedia:Request for Comments|Request for Comments]]: RFC 123 (URL specified in [[mediawiki:Rfcurl]])
</td>
<td>
<pre><nowiki>RFC 123</nowiki></pre>
</td>
<tr>
<td>
To include links to non-image uploads such as sounds, use a "media" link.
 [[media:Sg_mrob.ogg|Sound]]
</td>
<td>
<pre>
<nowiki>
[[media:Sg_mrob.ogg|Sound]]
</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>Use links for dates, so everyone can set their own display order. Use [[Special:Preferences]] to change your own date display setting.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>[[July 20]], [[1969]] , [[20 July]] [[1969]]
and [[1969]]-[[07-20]]
</nowiki></pre>will all appear as [[20 July]] [[1969]] if you set your date display preference to 1 January 2001.
</td>
</tr>
</table>

=== Images ===

<table border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0">
<tr>
<th>What it looks like</th>
<th>What you type</th>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>A picture: [[Image:homestar.PNG|The Homestar Runner is a terrific athlete.]]
*To upload images, use the [[Special:Upload|upload page]]. You can find the uploaded image on the [[Special:Imagelist|image list]].
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>
A picture: [[Image:homestar.PNG]]</nowiki></pre>
or, with alternate text (''strongly'' recommended) 
<pre><nowiki>[[Image:homestar.PNG|The Homestar Runner is a terrific athlete]] </nowiki>
</pre>
Web browsers render alternate text when not displaying an image -- for example, when the image isn't loaded, or in a text-only browser, or when spoken aloud.
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Clicking on an uploaded image displays a description page, which you can also link directly to: [[:Image:homestar.PNG]]
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>
[[:Image:homestar.PNG]]
</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>



</table>

=== Character formatting ===

<table border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0">
<tr>
<th>What it looks like</th>
<th>What you type</th>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>
''Emphasize'', '''strongly''', '''''very strongly'''''.
*These are double and triple apostrophes, not double quotes.
</td>
<td>
<pre><nowiki>''Emphasize'', '''strongly''',
'''''very strongly'''''.</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>
You can also write italic and bold
if the desired effect is a specific font style
rather than emphasis, as in mathematical formulae:
:F = ma
*However, the difference between these two methods is not very important for graphical browsers, and many people choose to ignore it.
</td>
<td>
<pre><nowiki>You can also write italic
and bold if the desired effect is a
specific font style rather than emphasis, as
in mathematical formulas:
:F = ma</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>A typewriter font for <tt>technical terms</tt>.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>A typewriter font for
<tt>technical terms</tt>.</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>You can use small text for captions.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>You can use small text
for captions.</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>You can <strike>strike out deleted material</strike>
and underline new material.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>You can <strike>strike out deleted material</strike>
and underline new material.</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>
'''Umlauts and accents:''' 
è é ê ë ì í 
 
À Á Â Ã Ä Å 
Æ Ç È É Ê Ë 
Ì Í
Î Ï Ñ Ò 
Ó Ô Õ
Ö Ø Ù 
Ú Û Ü ß
à á 
â ã ä å æ
ç 
è é ê ë ì í 
î ï ñ ò ó ô 
&oelig; õ
ö ø ù ú 
û ü ÿ
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>

è é ê ë ì í

&Agrave; &Aacute; &Acirc; &Atilde; &Auml; &Aring;
&AElig; &Ccedil; &Egrave; &Eacute; &Ecirc; &Euml;
&Igrave; &Iacute; &Icirc; &Iuml; &Ntilde; &Ograve;
&Oacute; &Ocirc; &Otilde; &Ouml; &Oslash; &Ugrave;
&Uacute; &Ucirc; &Uuml; &szlig; &agrave; &aacute;
&acirc; &atilde; &auml; &aring; &aelig; &ccedil;
&egrave; &eacute; &ecirc; &euml; &igrave; &iacute;
&icirc; &iuml; &ntilde; &ograve; &oacute; &ocirc;
&oelig; &otilde; &ouml; &oslash; &ugrave; &uacute;
&ucirc; &uuml; &yuml;</nowiki></pre></td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>
'''Punctuation:''' 
¿ ¡ « » § ¶ 
&dagger; &Dagger; • —
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>
&iquest; &iexcl; &laquo; &raquo; &sect; &para;
&dagger; &Dagger; &bull; &mdash;</nowiki></pre></td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>
'''Commercial symbols:''' 
™ © ® ¢ € ¥ 
£ ¤</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>
&trade; &copy; &reg; &cent; &euro; &yen;
&pound; &curren;
</nowiki></pre></td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top" id="subscript"><td>Subscript: x2 
Superscript: x2 or x²

*The latter method of superscript can't be used in the most general context, but is preferred when possible (as with units of measurement) because most browsers have an easier time formatting lines with it.
ε0 =
8.85 × 10−12
C² / J m.
 
 
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>Subscript: x2
Superscript: x2 or x&sup2;

or in projects with the templates sub and sup:

Subscript: x{{sub|2}}
Superscript: x{{sup|2}}

&epsilon;0 =
8.85 &times; 10&minus;12
C&sup2; / J m.

</nowiki></pre></td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>'''Greek characters:''' 
Α Β Γ Δ Ε Ζ 
Η Θ Ι Κ Λ Μ Ν 
Ξ Ο Π Ρ Σ 
Τ Υ Φ Χ Ψ Ω 
α β γ δ ε ζ 
η θ ι κ λ μ ν 
ξ ο π ρ σ &sigmaf; 
τ υ φ χ ψ ω
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>
&Alpha; &Beta; &Gamma; &Delta; &Epsilon; &Zeta;
&Eta; &Theta; &Iota; &Kappa; &Lambda; &Mu; &Nu;
&Xi; &Omicron; &Pi; &Rho; &Sigma;
&Tau; &Upsilon; &Phi; &Chi; &Psi; &Omega;
&alpha; &beta; &gamma; &delta; &epsilon; &zeta;
&eta; &theta; &iota; &kappa; &lambda; &mu; &nu;
&xi; &omicron; &pi; &rho; &sigma; &sigmaf;
&tau; &upsilon; &phi; &chi; &psi; &omega;
</nowiki></pre></td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>
'''Math characters:''' 
∫ ∑ ∏ √ − ± ∞ 
≈ &prop; &equiv; ≠ ≤ ≥ → 
× · ÷ ∂ ′ ″ 
∇ &permil; ° &there4; &alefsym; ø 
∈ ∉ ∩ ∪ ⊂ ⊃ &sube; &supe; 
¬ &and; &or; ∃ ∀ ⇒ ⇔ 
→ ↔ 
</td>
<td valign="middle"><pre><nowiki>
&int; &sum; &prod; &radic; &minus; &plusmn; &infin;
&asymp; &prop; &equiv; &ne; &le; &ge; &rarr;
&times; &middot; &divide; &part; &prime; &Prime;
&nabla; &permil; &deg; &there4; &alefsym; &oslash;
&isin; &notin; &cap; &cup; &sub; &sup; &sube; &supe;
&not; &and; &or; &exist; &forall; &rArr; &hArr;
&rarr; &harr;</nowiki></pre></td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>x2   ≥   0 true.
*To space things out, use non-breaking spaces - <tt>&nbsp;</tt>.
*<tt>&nbsp;</tt> also prevents line breaks in the middle of text, this is useful in formulas.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>
x2&nbsp;&nbsp;&ge;&nbsp;&nbsp;0 true.
</nowiki></pre></td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td>
'''For comparison for the following examples:'''

arrow →

''italics''
[[link]]
</td>
<td valign="bottom">
<pre><nowiki>arrow &rarr;

''italics''
[[link]]</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
'''Use <nowiki> to suppress interpretation of wiki markup, but interpret character references and remove newlines and multiple spaces:'''

<nowiki>arrow →

''italics''
[[link]]
</nowiki>
</td>
<td valign="bottom">
<pre><nowiki><nowiki>arrow &rarr;

''italics''
[[link]]</nowiki></nowiki></pre>

</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
'''Use <pre> to suppress interpretation of wiki markup and keep newlines and multiple spaces, and get typewriter font, but interpret character references:'''

<pre>arrow →

''italics''
[[link]]
</pre>
</td>
<td valign="bottom">
<pre><nowiki><pre>arrow &rarr;

''italics''
[[link]]</pre></nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
'''Use leading space on each line to keep newlines and multiple spaces, and get typewriter font:
arrow →

''italics''
[[link]]
</td>
<td valign="bottom">
<pre> <nowiki>arrow &rarr;

''italics''
[[link]]</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
'''Use typewriter font:'''

<tt>arrow →</tt>

<tt>''italics''</tt>
<tt>[[link]]</tt>

</td>
<td valign="bottom">
<pre><nowiki><tt>arrow &rarr;</tt>

<tt>''italics''</tt>
<tt>[[link]]</nowiki></tt></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
'''Show character references:'''

&rarr;
</td>
<td valign="bottom">
<pre>&amp;rarr;</pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
'''Commenting page source:''' 
''not shown in page''
* Used to leave comments in a page for future editors.
</td>
<td>
<pre><nowiki></nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
</table>

=== HTML Tables ===

HTML tables can be quite useful as well. For details on how to use them and discussion about when they are appropriate, see [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Table MediaWiki User's Guide: Using tables].

==Templates==

Some part of a page may correspond in the edit box to just a reference to another page, in the form <nowiki>{{</nowiki>''name''<nowiki>}}</nowiki>, referring to the page "Template:''name''" (or if the name starts with a namespace prefix, it refers to the page with that name; if it starts with a colon it refers to the page in the main namespace with that name without the colon). This is called a template. For changing that part of the page, edit that other page. Sometimes a separate edit link is provided for this purpose. A convenient way to put such a link in a template is with a template like [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Ed m:Template:ed]. Note that the change also affects other pages which use the same template.

==Page protection==

In a few cases the link labeled "{{MediaWiki:Editthispage}}" is replaced by the text "{{MediaWiki:Protectedpage}}". In that case the page can not be edited.

==Separating edits==

When moving or copying a piece of text within a page or from another page, and also making other edits, it is useful to separate these edits. This way the diff function can be usefully applied for checking these other edits.

==[[HRWiki:WikiTroll|Trolls]]==

The bad news is that occasionally a ''Wiki Troll'' will deface a page. The good news is that any page can be reverted back to a previous version:

''Simply click "history" at the top of the page you wish to roll back. Then click on the time and date of the archived version you want to revert back to. The page will appear with the version indicated at the top of the page, just underneath the page title. Next, click "edit" at the top of the page. Add a note in the Summary box that you are reverting the page because of a troll, and then click "Save page".''

[[Category:Help|E]]

Help:Editing

Jweb Guru — Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:31:50 GMT

Jweb Guru: Validation stuff

==General==
To edit a page, click on "'''edit'''" link at the top of the page or along one of its edges.

After adding to or changing the wikitext, press "Show preview", which produces the corresponding webpage in your browser but does not make it publicly available yet (not until you press "Save page"). Errors in formatting, links, tables, etc., are often much easier to discover from the rendered page than from the raw wikitext.

If you are not satisfied you can make more changes and preview the page as many times as necessary. Then write a short edit summary in the small text field below the edit-box and when finished press "Save page". Depending on your system, pressing the "Enter" key while the edit box is not active (i.e., there is no typing cursor in it) may have the same effect as pressing "Save page".

You may find it more convenient to copy and paste the text first into your favorite text editor, edit and spell check it there, and then paste it back into your web browser to preview. This way, you can also keep a local backup copy of the pages you have edited. It also allows you to make changes offline, but before you submit your changes, ''please make sure nobody else has edited the page'' since you saved your local copy (by checking the page history), otherwise you may accidentally revert someone else's edits. If someone ''has'' edited it since you copied the page, you'll have to merge their edits into your new version (you can find their specific edits by using the "diff" feature of the page history). These issues are handled automatically by the Mediawiki software if you edit the page online, retrieving and submitting the wikicode in the same text box.

== Dummy edit ==

If the wikitext is not changed no edit will be recorded and the edit summary is discarded.

A dummy edit is a change in wikitext that has no effect on the rendered page. This allows an edit summary, and is useful for correcting a previous edit summary, or an accidental marking of a previous edit as "minor" (see below). Also it is sometimes needed to refresh the cache of some item in the database.

== Minor edits ==
When editing a page, a logged in user has the option of flagging the edit as a "minor edit". When to use this is somewhat a matter of personal preference. The rule of thumb is that an edit of a page that is spelling corrections, formatting, and minor rearranging of text should be flagged as a "minor edit". A major edit is basically something that makes the entry worth relooking at for somebody who wants to watch the article rather closely, so any "real" change, even if it is a single word. This feature is important, because users can choose to ''hide'' minor edits in their view of the [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]] to keep the volume of edits down to a manageable level.

The reason for not allowing a user who is not logged in to mark an edit as minor is that vandalism could then be marked as a minor edit, in which case it would stay unnoticed longer. This limitation is another reason to log in.

== The wiki markup ==
In the left column of the table below, you can see what effects are possible. In the right column, you can see how those effects were achieved. In other words, to make text look like it looks in the left column, type it in the format you see in the right column.

You may want to keep this page open in a separate browser window for reference. If you want to try out things without danger of doing any harm, you can do so in the [[HRwiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]].

=== Sections, paragraphs, lists and lines ===
<table border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0">
<tr>
<th>What it looks like</th>
<th>What you type</th>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Start your sections with header lines:




 New section 

 Subsection 

 Sub-subsection 

</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>

== New section ==

=== Subsection ===

==== Sub-subsection ====
</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
New line:

A single
new line
has no
effect on the
layout.

But an empty line

starts a new paragraph.

</td>
<td>
<pre><nowiki>
A single
newline
has no
effect on the
layout.

But an empty line

starts a new paragraph.</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>You can break lines 
without starting a new paragraph.
Sufficient as wikitext code is , the XHTML code is not needed, the system produces this code.</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>You can break lines 
without starting a new paragraph.</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
* Lists are easy to do:
** start every line with a star
*** more stars means deeper levels
*A newline
*in a list
marks the end of the list.
*Of course
*you can
*start again.

</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>* Lists are easy to do:
** start every line with a star
*** more stars means deeper levels
*A newline
*in a list
marks the end of the list.
*Of course
*you can
*start again.

</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
# Numbered lists are also good
## very organized
## easy to follow
#A newline
#in a list
marks the end of the list.
#New numbering starts
#with 1.

</td>
<td><pre><nowiki># Numbered lists are also good
## very organized
## easy to follow
#A newline
#in a list
marks the end of the list.
#New numbering starts
#with 1.
</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
* You can even do mixed lists
*# and nest them
*#* like this or have newlines inside lists
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>* You can even do mixed lists
*# and nest them
*#* like this or have newlines inside lists</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
* You can also
**break lines inside lists like this
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>* You can also
**break lines inside lists like this</nowiki></pre>
</td>
<tr>
<td>
; Definition list : list of definitions
; item : the item's definition
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>; Definition list : list
of definitions
; item : the item's definition</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
:A colon indents a line or paragraph.
A manual newline starts a new paragraph.
* This is primarily for displayed material, but is also used for discussion on talk pages.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>: A colon indents a line or paragraph.
A manual newline starts a new paragraph.
</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>
<pre><nowiki>IF a line of plain text starts with a space THEN
it will be formatted exactly
as typed;
in a fixed-width font;
lines won't wrap;
ENDIF
this is useful for:
* pasting preformatted text;
* algorithm descriptions;
* program source code
* ASCII art;
* chemical structures;</nowiki></pre>

WARNING If you make it wide,
you force the whole page to be wide and hence less readable. Never start ordinary lines with spaces. 
<center>(see also below)</center>
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki> IF a line of plain text starts with a space THEN
it will be formatted exactly
as typed;
in a fixed-width font;
lines won't wrap;
ENDIF
this is useful for:
* pasting preformatted text;
* algorithm descriptions;
* program source code
* ASCII art;
* chemical structures;</nowiki></pre></td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td style="text-align:center">Centered text.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki><div style="text-align:center">Centered text.</div></nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>A horizontal dividing line: above
----

and below.

Mainly useful for separating threads on Talk pages.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>A horizontal dividing line: above
----
and below. </nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
</table>

Summarizing the effect of a single newline: no effect in general, but it ends a list item or indented part; thus changing some text into a list item, or indenting it, is more cumbersome if it contains newlines, they have to be removed.

=== Links, URLs ===

<table border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0">
<tr>
<th>What it looks like</th>
<th>What you type</th>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>Sue is reading [[Strong Bad Email]].
*First letter of target is not automatically capitalized, unlike Wikipedia.
*Internally spaces are automatically represented as underscores (typing an underscore has the same effect as typing a space, but is not recommended).
Thus the link above is to <nowiki>http://hrwiki.org/index.php/Strong_Bad_Email</nowiki>, which is the page with the name "Strong Bad Email".
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>Sue is reading [[Strong Bad Email]].</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr><td>
Link to a section on a page, e.g.
[[Strong Bad Email#Strong Bad Email Menus]]; when section editing does not work the link is treated as link to the page, i.e. to the top; this applies for:
*links to non-existent sections
*links in redirects
*interwiki links</td><td>
<pre><nowiki>[[Strong Bad Email#Strong Bad Email Menus]].</nowiki></pre></td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>Link target and link label are different: [[Help:Contents|help]].

(This is called a piped link).
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>Link target and link label are different:
[[Help:Contents|help]]</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>Endings are blended into the link: [[Strong Bad Email]]s</td>
<td>
<pre><nowiki>Endings are blended
into the link: [[Strong Bad Email]]s,</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>
Automatically hide stuff in parentheses: [[Marzipan (character)|Marzipan]].
Automatically hide namespace: [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]].

The server fills in the part after the | when you save the page. Next time you open the edit box you will see the expanded piped link. A preview interprets the abbreviated form correctly, but does not expand it yet in the edit box. Press Save and again Edit, and you will see the expanded version. The same applies for the following feature.
</td>
<td>
<pre><nowiki>Automatically hide stuff in parentheses:
[[Marzipan (character)|]]. </nowiki></pre>
<pre><nowiki>Automatically hide namespace:
[[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|]].</nowiki></pre>
</td></tr>
<tr>
<td>When adding a comment to a Talk page,
you should sign it. You can do this by
adding three tildes for your user name:
: [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]]
or four for user name plus date/time:
: [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 08:10 Oct 5, 2002 (UTC)
five gives just the date/time:
: 08:10 Oct 5, 2002 (UTC)
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>When adding a comment to a Talk page,
you should sign it. You can do this by
adding three tildes for your user name:
: ~~~
or four for user name plus date/time:
: ~~~~
five gives just the date/time:
: ~~~~~</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>[[The weather in London]] is a page that does not yet exist.
*You can create it by clicking on the link.
*To create a new page:
*#Create a link to it on some other page.
*#Save that page.
*#Click on the link you just made. The new page will open for editing.
''Note: Please do not create this page. The link is meant as an example and is not a necessary article.''
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>[[The weather in London]] is a page
that doesn't exist yet.</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>
Redirect one article title to another by putting text like this in its first line.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>#REDIRECT [[Senor]]</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>"What links here" and "Related changes" can be linked as: 
[[Special:Whatlinkshere/Strong Bad]] and
[[Special:Recentchangeslinked/Strong Bad]]
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>
[[Special:Whatlinkshere/
Strong Bad]] and
[[Special:Recentchangeslinked/
Strong Bad]]</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>External links: [http://www.homestarrunner.com Homestar Runner], [http://www.homestarrunner.com]
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>External links:
[http://www.homestarrunner.com Homestar Runner],
[http://www.homestarrunner.com]</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>Or just give the URL: http://www.homestarrunner.com.
*In the URL all symbols must be among: A-Z a-z 0-9 ._\/~%-+&#?!=()@ \x80-\xFF. If a URL contains a different character it should be converted; for example, ^ has to be written %5E (to be looked up in ASCII). A blank space can also be converted into an underscore.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>Or just give the URL:
http://www.homestarrunner.com.</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
To link to books, you can use ISBN links.
ISBN 0123456789X
</td>
<td>
<pre><nowiki>ISBN 0123456789X</nowiki></pre>
</td>
<tr>
<td>
Link to [[Wikipedia:Request for Comments|Request for Comments]]: RFC 123 (URL specified in [[mediawiki:Rfcurl]])
</td>
<td>
<pre><nowiki>RFC 123</nowiki></pre>
</td>
<tr>
<td>
To include links to non-image uploads such as sounds, use a "media" link.
 [[media:Sg_mrob.ogg|Sound]]
</td>
<td>
<pre>
<nowiki>
[[media:Sg_mrob.ogg|Sound]]
</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>Use links for dates, so everyone can set their own display order. Use [[Special:Preferences]] to change your own date display setting.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>[[July 20]], [[1969]] , [[20 July]] [[1969]]
and [[1969]]-[[07-20]]
</nowiki></pre>will all appear as [[20 July]] [[1969]] if you set your date display preference to 1 January 2001.
</td>
</tr>
</table>

=== Images ===

<table border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0">
<tr>
<th>What it looks like</th>
<th>What you type</th>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>A picture: [[Image:homestar.PNG|The Homestar Runner is a terrific athlete.]]
*To upload images, use the [[Special:Upload|upload page]]. You can find the uploaded image on the [[Special:Imagelist|image list]].
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>
A picture: [[Image:homestar.PNG]]</nowiki></pre>
or, with alternate text (''strongly'' recommended) 
<pre><nowiki>[[Image:homestar.PNG|The Homestar Runner is a terrific athlete]] </nowiki>
</pre>
Web browsers render alternate text when not displaying an image -- for example, when the image isn't loaded, or in a text-only browser, or when spoken aloud.
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
Clicking on an uploaded image displays a description page, which you can also link directly to: [[:Image:homestar.PNG]]
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>
[[:Image:homestar.PNG]]
</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>



</table>

=== Character formatting ===

<table border="1" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0">
<tr>
<th>What it looks like</th>
<th>What you type</th>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>
''Emphasize'', '''strongly''', '''''very strongly'''''.
*These are double and triple apostrophes, not double quotes.
</td>
<td>
<pre><nowiki>''Emphasize'', '''strongly''',
'''''very strongly'''''.</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>
You can also write italic and bold
if the desired effect is a specific font style
rather than emphasis, as in mathematical formulae:
:F = ma
*However, the difference between these two methods is not very important for graphical browsers, and many people choose to ignore it.
</td>
<td>
<pre><nowiki>You can also write italic
and bold if the desired effect is a
specific font style rather than emphasis, as
in mathematical formulas:
:F = ma</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>A typewriter font for <tt>technical terms</tt>.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>A typewriter font for
<tt>technical terms</tt>.</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>You can use small text for captions.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>You can use small text
for captions.</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>You can <strike>strike out deleted material</strike>
and underline new material.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>You can <strike>strike out deleted material</strike>
and underline new material.</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>
'''Umlauts and accents:''' 
è é ê ë ì í 
 
À Á Â Ã Ä Å 
Æ Ç È É Ê Ë 
Ì Í
Î Ï Ñ Ò 
Ó Ô Õ
Ö Ø Ù 
Ú Û Ü ß
à á 
â ã ä å æ
ç 
è é ê ë ì í 
î ï ñ ò ó ô 
&oelig; õ
ö ø ù ú 
û ü ÿ
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>

è é ê ë ì í

&Agrave; &Aacute; &Acirc; &Atilde; &Auml; &Aring;
&AElig; &Ccedil; &Egrave; &Eacute; &Ecirc; &Euml;
&Igrave; &Iacute; &Icirc; &Iuml; &Ntilde; &Ograve;
&Oacute; &Ocirc; &Otilde; &Ouml; &Oslash; &Ugrave;
&Uacute; &Ucirc; &Uuml; &szlig; &agrave; &aacute;
&acirc; &atilde; &auml; &aring; &aelig; &ccedil;
&egrave; &eacute; &ecirc; &euml; &igrave; &iacute;
&icirc; &iuml; &ntilde; &ograve; &oacute; &ocirc;
&oelig; &otilde; &ouml; &oslash; &ugrave; &uacute;
&ucirc; &uuml; &yuml;</nowiki></pre></td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>
'''Punctuation:''' 
¿ ¡ « » § ¶ 
&dagger; &Dagger; • —
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>
&iquest; &iexcl; &laquo; &raquo; &sect; &para;
&dagger; &Dagger; &bull; &mdash;</nowiki></pre></td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>
'''Commercial symbols:''' 
™ © ® ¢ € ¥ 
£ ¤</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>
&trade; &copy; &reg; &cent; &euro; &yen;
&pound; &curren;
</nowiki></pre></td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top" id="subscript"><td>Subscript: x2 
Superscript: x2 or x²

*The latter method of superscript can't be used in the most general context, but is preferred when possible (as with units of measurement) because most browsers have an easier time formatting lines with it.
ε0 =
8.85 × 10−12
C² / J m.
 
 
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>Subscript: x2
Superscript: x2 or x&sup2;

or in projects with the templates sub and sup:

Subscript: x{{sub|2}}
Superscript: x{{sup|2}}

&epsilon;0 =
8.85 &times; 10&minus;12
C&sup2; / J m.

</nowiki></pre></td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>'''Greek characters:''' 
Α Β Γ Δ Ε Ζ 
Η Θ Ι Κ Λ Μ Ν 
Ξ Ο Π Ρ Σ 
Τ Υ Φ Χ Ψ Ω 
α β γ δ ε ζ 
η θ ι κ λ μ ν 
ξ ο π ρ σ &sigmaf; 
τ υ φ χ ψ ω
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>
&Alpha; &Beta; &Gamma; &Delta; &Epsilon; &Zeta;
&Eta; &Theta; &Iota; &Kappa; &Lambda; &Mu; &Nu;
&Xi; &Omicron; &Pi; &Rho; &Sigma;
&Tau; &Upsilon; &Phi; &Chi; &Psi; &Omega;
&alpha; &beta; &gamma; &delta; &epsilon; &zeta;
&eta; &theta; &iota; &kappa; &lambda; &mu; &nu;
&xi; &omicron; &pi; &rho; &sigma; &sigmaf;
&tau; &upsilon; &phi; &chi; &psi; &omega;
</nowiki></pre></td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top">
<td>
'''Math characters:''' 
∫ ∑ ∏ √ − ± ∞ 
≈ &prop; &equiv; ≠ ≤ ≥ → 
× · ÷ ∂ ′ ″ 
∇ &permil; ° &there4; &alefsym; ø 
∈ ∉ ∩ ∪ ⊂ ⊃ &sube; &supe; 
¬ &and; &or; ∃ ∀ ⇒ ⇔ 
→ ↔ 
</td>
<td valign="middle"><pre><nowiki>
&int; &sum; &prod; &radic; &minus; &plusmn; &infin;
&asymp; &prop; &equiv; &ne; &le; &ge; &rarr;
&times; &middot; &divide; &part; &prime; &Prime;
&nabla; &permil; &deg; &there4; &alefsym; &oslash;
&isin; &notin; &cap; &cup; &sub; &sup; &sube; &supe;
&not; &and; &or; &exist; &forall; &rArr; &hArr;
&rarr; &harr;</nowiki></pre></td>
</tr>
<tr valign="top"><td>x2   ≥   0 true.
*To space things out, use non-breaking spaces - <tt>&nbsp;</tt>.
*<tt>&nbsp;</tt> also prevents line breaks in the middle of text, this is useful in formulas.
</td>
<td><pre><nowiki>
x2&nbsp;&nbsp;&ge;&nbsp;&nbsp;0 true.
</nowiki></pre></td>
</tr>

<tr>
<td>
'''For comparison for the following examples:'''

arrow →

''italics''
[[link]]
</td>
<td valign="bottom">
<pre><nowiki>arrow &rarr;

''italics''
[[link]]</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
'''Use <nowiki> to suppress interpretation of wiki markup, but interpret character references and remove newlines and multiple spaces:'''

<nowiki>arrow →

''italics''
[[link]]
</nowiki>
</td>
<td valign="bottom">
<pre><nowiki><nowiki>arrow &rarr;

''italics''
[[link]]</nowiki></nowiki></pre>

</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
'''Use <pre> to suppress interpretation of wiki markup and keep newlines and multiple spaces, and get typewriter font, but interpret character references:'''

<pre>arrow →

''italics''
[[link]]
</pre>
</td>
<td valign="bottom">
<pre><nowiki><pre>arrow &rarr;

''italics''
[[link]]</pre></nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
'''Use leading space on each line to keep newlines and multiple spaces, and get typewriter font:
arrow →

''italics''
[[link]]
</td>
<td valign="bottom">
<pre> <nowiki>arrow &rarr;

''italics''
[[link]]</nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
'''Use typewriter font:'''

<tt>arrow →</tt>

<tt>''italics''</tt>
<tt>[[link]]</tt>

</td>
<td valign="bottom">
<pre><nowiki><tt>arrow &rarr;</tt>

<tt>''italics''</tt>
<tt>[[link]]</nowiki></tt></pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
'''Show character references:'''

&rarr;
</td>
<td valign="bottom">
<pre>&amp;rarr;</pre>
</td>
</tr>
<tr>
<td>
'''Commenting page source:''' 
''not shown in page''
* Used to leave comments in a page for future editors.
</td>
<td>
<pre><nowiki></nowiki></pre>
</td>
</tr>
</table>

=== HTML Tables ===

HTML tables can be quite useful as well. For details on how to use them and discussion about when they are appropriate, see [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Table MediaWiki User's Guide: Using tables].

==Templates==

Some part of a page may correspond in the edit box to just a reference to another page, in the form <nowiki>{{</nowiki>''name''<nowiki>}}</nowiki>, referring to the page "Template:''name''" (or if the name starts with a namespace prefix, it refers to the page with that name; if it starts with a colon it refers to the page in the main namespace with that name without the colon). This is called a template. For changing that part of the page, edit that other page. Sometimes a separate edit link is provided for this purpose. A convenient way to put such a link in a template is with a template like [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:Ed m:Template:ed]. Note that the change also affects other pages which use the same template.

==Page protection==

In a few cases the link labeled "{{MediaWiki:Editthispage}}" is replaced by the text "{{MediaWiki:Protectedpage}}". In that case the page can not be edited.

==Separating edits==

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==[[HRWiki:WikiTroll|Trolls]]==

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HRWiki talk:Validation committee

Jweb Guru — Sun, 26 Feb 2006 18:10:46 GMT

Jweb Guru:

So... what is the point of this committee, exactly? Shouldn't '''everybody''' be replacing "bad code" when they see it? And what is wrong with the font tag? Are we getting rid of all HTML? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 18:57, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Nothing is necessarily ''wrong'' with the <nowiki></nowiki> tag, except that it is only valid for older versions of HTML. The wiki uses XHTML 1.0, and the <nowiki></nowiki> tag is deprecated in that language, meaning it is no longer in use and will invalidate your page if you use it. Invalid pages may not display properly in some browsers. Instead, you should use the more appropriate <nowiki></nowiki> tag. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 19:23, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::I did not know that! Uh... dag, I've been littering pages with the "font" tag thanks to my signature. Uh... I'ma go fix that now... <nowiki>*runs away sheepishly*</nowiki> <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 19:24, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::It is a very very good idea to always put quote marks around your attribute values. It is never wrong to do so, and very often it is absolutely necessary. For instance, your <nowiki></nowiki> isn't valid. Instead try <nowiki></nowiki>.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:27, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::Is my signature fixed now? I checked this page: http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/index/attributes.html (this might be a good page to link to, as it's a comprehensive list of deprecated tags according to W3). <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 19:29, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::Hm, I didn't know this, but apparently the font tag is still part of the XHTML 1.0 Transitional spec, so we still have valid pages when people use it right. One thing though, the "#" symbol is unecessary and invalid when using the font tag. The "#" symbol is only important when declaring a color using CSS. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:36, 15 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::::Just a quick point. While <code></code> is, in fact, still a part of XHTML 1.0 Transitional, this is only due to the 'transitional' bit. It's in general wrong to use it, or any other HTML tags that do anything but give something structural or semantic value. <code><div></code> is structural; <code><blockquote></code> is semantic. So, though I realize validation is the top priority, it would be cool if this community could clean up the conceptually invalid stuff as well. Also, to Aurora: I think you're looking at the HTML 4.0 deprecated tags, not the XHTML 1.0 Transitional ones. HTML 4.0 has already been deprecated itself, as far as I can recall. (P.S. Please allow the <code><abbr></code> tag to be used in a Wiki context!) - [[User:Jweb Guru|Jweb Guru]] 18:10, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

== Introduction 2 isn't valid ==

[[HRWiki:Introduction_2]] isn't [http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//www.hrwiki.org/index.php/HRWiki%3AIntroduction_2 valid XHTML.] I would fix it myself, but it's a protected page. Could someone fix it? ~ [[User:Sephy|Sephy]] 23:09, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

: I would, but I don't know what's wrong with it... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:15, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

:: Found the error. Took some time to discover it, though.

::<pre><nowiki>* '''[[MetaWikipedia:Help:Link|Link]]''' to other Wiki articles and other Web sites</div>
</div></nowiki></pre> should be <pre><nowiki>* '''[[MetaWikipedia:Help:Link|Link]]''' to other Wiki articles and other Web sites
</div></div></nowiki></pre> instead. The <nowiki></div> tag in the same line as the * bullet sign makes the Wiki software insert the </div> tag before closing the </ul> and </li> tags.</nowiki> ~ [[User:Sephy|Sephy]] 23:46, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Ah. Okay, fixed. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:15, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

== Some Validation Committee members have invalid or depecated code in their sigs ==
Woddfellow2 and firefoxman's signatures break the [http://validator.w3.org/check?verbose=1&uri=http%3A//www.hrwiki.org/index.php/HRWiki%3AValidation_committee validation] in the [[HrWiki:Validation committee|Validation committee]] page. I don't know what's worse, that members of the Validation committee are breaking pages with their sigs or that the validation page itself, which should be setting an example, is broken. They're signatures, so I don't feel too comfortable editing them. What should we do on those cases? ~ [[User:Sephy|Sephy]] 00:40, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

:I've messaged a few of these people and will try to catch the rest of them this afternoon. Sorry it's taken me so long to notice this and do anything about it. I'm also going to go ahead and edit them on this page just to keep things valid. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 21:14, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Bookmarklet and other extension options ==

Another option for easy checking is the "validate html" bookmarket from [http://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/validation.html Squarefree]. And I use the [http://www.chrispederick.com/work/firefox/webdeveloper/ Web Developer] extension for Firefox.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:25, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Just mentioning, the [http://www.opera.com Opera] browser has valitation built in. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 15:31, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

== Confused ==
I am very confused about this commitee. What is it? {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 19:20, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:There's an international organization called the [[Wikipedia:World Wide Web Consortium|World Wide Web Consortium]] (W3C for short) that publishes official specifications on how [[Wikipedia:HTML|HTML]] should be properly formatted. Since [[Wikipedia:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] allows HTML in articles, there's potential for users to create improper HTML. There isn't anything built-in to MediaWiki that checks for improper code, so we have to keep an eye out for it ourselves. Thus, we created a committee to find invalid pages and properly format them. Does this make sense? — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 20:58, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::Much. Thanks Mr. Day! {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 23:58, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Hi! I have a question. I have now encountered two user pages that render different on different browsers (IE and Mozilla) - they are now fixed, but It doesn't mean that the same problem can't occur in a regular page. Does your commitee address such rendering issues (are the XHTML 1.0 standars supposed to produce the same output regardless of renderer)? Do you have a set of guidelines to make pages look uniform across browser platforms (at least the major ones). --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:23, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== Fanstuff ==

I've noticed that a lot of the Fanstuff pages have bad XHTML code in them, including the navigation side bar. Should the validation committee also be concerned with pages on Fanstuff, or not, or should there even be a separate Fanstuff validation committee? -[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]] 16:53, 27 December 2005 (UTC)

== Maybe off topic... ==

This isn't a validation issue, more a usability issue, but don't know where else to put it.

When I, say, edit the DVD Fun Facts, say Real Life References, on return to the actual page it looks for the name "Real Life References". Invariably, it finds the first one, not the "_2" one which it should. Is this an error in programming, a failing in the browser parsing the namespace, or what? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:20, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

HRWiki:Validation committee

Jweb Guru — Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:42:20 GMT

Jweb Guru: The perfect committee!

This committee helps to ensure that all wiki pages validate as proper XHTML and CSS. This means stripping out bad code, replacing it with good code, and helping to educate our community on what tags can and can't be used in valid code.

== First order of business — font tags ==
There are many <nowiki>text</nowiki> tags hanging out here and there. Many people are using them in their sigs. Since font tags are allowed in XHTML 1.0 Transitional, it's okay if people want to continue using them, but they should make sure to enclose the color declaration in quotation marks to keep things valid. However, we should try to switch to everyone to <nowiki>text</nowiki>. This method is much more forward compatible.

== Firefox validation extension ==
For those who use [http://www.getfirefox.com Mozilla Firefox], there's a great extension for validating pages on the fly. It's called [http://users.skynet.be/mgueury/mozilla/ HTML Validator]. This should be helpful in patrolling the wiki for invalid markup, and is recommended for all validation committee members who use Firefox.

== Members ==

#[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]]
#[[User:Tom|Tom]]
#[[User:The Paper|The Paper]]
#[[User:Rainer|Rainer]]
#[[User:Ed smildE|Ed smildE]]
#[[User:firefoxman|firefoxman]]
#[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]
#[[User:Stinkoman K|Stinkoman K]]
#[[User:AtionSong|AtionSong]]
#[[User:Jweb Guru|Jweb Guru]]

[[Category:HRWiki Committees]]
[[Category:HRWiki Maintenance]]

User:Jweb Guru

Jweb Guru — Sun, 26 Feb 2006 17:42:17 GMT

Jweb Guru: Creation

= My Userpage =

Howdy. I was around back in the day. Good times.

User talk:Jweb Guru

Jweb Guru — Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:22:39 GMT

Jweb Guru:

User talk:Jweb Guru

Jweb Guru — Sun, 26 Feb 2006 16:07:09 GMT

Jweb Guru: /* Welcome! */

User talk:Tom

Jweb Guru — Sun, 26 Feb 2006 15:36:23 GMT

Jweb Guru: Howdy, Tom

==Jones being funny==
Yarr!! - [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 23:05, 16 Jul 2004 (MST)

==Seethroo with some questions==
Heya, [[User:Tom|Tom]]. Do you ever check this thing?
What's goin' on with the Wiki? It seems to be going nuts. ~ [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]

:Yes, I do. And yeah, it's under some strain right now. Crazy. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:51, 2 Aug 2004 (MST)

Cool, cool. I'm gonna be able to help move stuff tonight. [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]

:Sweet. I appreciate it. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:41, 3 Aug 2004 (MST)

Hey, is there any particular reason I CANNOT get onto Recent Changes on the oldschool wiki? It's seriously gettin' on my nerves. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:03, 6 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I'm guessing it's just the mySQL overload we've been experiencing. Yeah, bummer. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:05, 6 Aug 2004 (MST)

Woah. I added a pantload...but there are still some organizational things that need to be hammered out...I guess check the comments I made in various places...I'm tired... -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 23:11, 6 Aug 2004 (MST)

HOLY CRAP! Who're all those people blocked from this wiki??? I didn't know you were doin' that much blocking already! - [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:34, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Yeah, those are open proxies. You can see the note [[Template:BlockedProxy|here]] and Joey's and my discussion of the topic [[Template talk:BlockedProxy|here]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:47, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

----

I wanted to do that for old times sake. Anyway, I kinda discovered something to make transferring things much easier. If you take the code from 'Tavi pages, put em in Word, and then do a ctrl-f, you can have it replace all the parentheses with brackets. Doing things that way, I can get all my links straightened out before I even put the text in MediaWiki. Just sharing... -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:44, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Yeah, I do the same thing, except I use TextPad. It helps a bunch. Mostly. Just have to be a little careful. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:48, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

::How're all my edits and transfers? Is there something wrong that I'm doing that I need to be aware of? (did I just say "doing"? -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:54, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::You, my friend, are doing a great job. You're really keeping things moving along. Keep up the good work. I'm seriously thinking you are the man right about now. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:24, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

==Note from Firebird==

Just wanted to say thanks for all the work put into the move. Great Job! -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:You're welcome. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:08, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Redirects ==

Tom: I'm seeing some deletion of redirect pages on the deletion log. It looks like most of those pages will not be missed, but it does help to have some "common" misspelling articles redirect to the proper article. This is not for sloppy linking , as no pages SHOULD link to a redirect page. This is for people who come to the site, punch in a name into the search box and are taken to the correct page.

There is always some debate over what constitutes a common misspelling. I created a redirect from Whats her face to What's her face. This seems useful to me. Let me know what you think about this. [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 15:42, 15 Sep 2004 (MST)

:I agree. The ones I've been trying to catch are old links that were not fixed correctly during the move. Things like "MainPage 10" that were used instead of "[[Main Page 10]]" becuase of CamelCase on 'Tavi. The person who created that redirect then went ahead and created one for "MainPage 11", even though nothing linked there. I don't see the need for 21 pages to be created like this. Another example is "sbemail1" and its companions. There isn't a need for that.

:Of course, you also have to remember that we turned on case-sensitivity. That means that "[[What's Her Face]]" and "What's her Face" are also two completely different pages. I'd rather that a link show up in red and someone pick up on their mistake right away then have them continue to make links to redirect pages. But I suppose it would be very hard to keep a lid on things like this once we get going. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:55, 15 Sep 2004 (MST)

::Oh, Contraire! I have often wanted to be able to quickly type "sbemailxx" into the search box to find something quickly. I agree that old camel case links should be removed, but I see nothing wrong with shortcut redirects for the lazy. (I was actually thinking of adding these the other day, then stumbled across this thread. Sorry I'm a little late joining the discussion.) :) {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 22:37, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

:::I totally agree JoeyDay. I too have wished to quickly type the sbemailxx when I am watching a new toon instead of hving to search the Strong Bad Emails by Name page.--[[User:38.112.87.6|38.112.87.6]] 12:44, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

::::Uh, this conversation happened over six and a half months ago. Thanks for your input, but this really isn't relevant anymore.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:54, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

==Note from Jones==
''{copied and pasted from [[User:Tom]]}''

I'm just so sick of you being at the top of [[Special:Wantedpages]]. So there. Now you're unwanted. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 07:49, 3 Sep 2004 (MST)

:Thanks Jones. I feel so loved. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:08, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

==Notes from Maudi==
''{both were copied and pasted from [[User:Tom]]}''

Thank God that you made it, Tom! Thank God! -Maudi Algabban

:I agree! -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:08, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

Hey, Tom! Have you listened to "Dragostea din tei" with Haiducii or O-Zone? They're from Romania. -Maudi --[[User:193.150.221.247|193.150.221.247]] 16:28, 19 Sep 2004 (MST)

:Sorry, I have to admit that I still haven't. Have you made a userpage yet? Heh heh. But seriously, I know there's [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=193.150.221.247 some stuff] that needs to be attributed to you by being on your userpage. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:08, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Note ==

Oh geez, man, it looks like I disambiguated a page you deleted. Took too long doing it, I guess. I'm really sorry about that. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 19:40, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

:No problem, I can just re-delete it. And I appreciate you leaving this note. It makes me feel good. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:41, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Oh Man ==
''{In reply to a comment from [[User_talk:Thunderbird_L17]]}''

All that work... I'm really sorry. I was trying to figure out why all my pics looked slightly off. Oh well. I've switched over now. I just wish I hadn't deleted them as I went along... Oh well. I think I'm still doing ok for only being here about a week. Again, my apolagies. And they'll all be PNG from now on. Btw, if you could provide me with a list of the JPG pictures I uploaded, I could replace them in my spare time. Thanks.

-Thunderbird

:Hey, no problem. Here's a [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Thunderbird_L17 good place] to get started. Then there's always the [[Special:Imagelist|Image List]]. I think that might work best. And I can come up with a better list if you need it. And I'm glad you can see the difference. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:03, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)

UPDATE:

Topic Complete.

All of my uploaded JPG files are now PNG. Took a bit of doing, but it's done.

== Sebastian Coe ==

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sebastian_Coe 
''He first ran against Ovett in Prague in 1978 in an 800 meter race that neither won. The next year in Oslo, Norway, '''Coe set his first world records''' (in the 800-meter and '''mile races'''). One of the most famous races between Ovett and Coe was in the 1980 Olympic Games in the 1500-meters. Coe won in Olympic Record time.''

=== Further References ===
From http://www.geocities.com/hotsprings/3257/coe.html 
''He beat Ovett's mile record, running it in 3 min 48.53 sec on August 19; only a week later '''Ovett set another mile record, which was then shattered by Coe''' with a 3 min 47.33 sec run on August 28.''

Here are some of his times in the mile: 
''mile <nowiki>3'48''95</nowiki> 1979 Wr (Oslo)'' 
''mile <nowiki>3'48''53</nowiki> 1981 Wr (Zurich)'' 
''mile <nowiki>3'47''33</nowiki> 1981 Wr (Bruxelles)'' 
Note: Wr stands for World Record.

One final reference: http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/World%20record%20progression%20for%20the%20mile%20run 

And a quote from you; 
:''"Hmm. [Coe] didn't really run the mile. And he never had the world record."'' 
Could you please cite your references?? As far as I can tell, he not only ran the mile, he also held the world record on ''three'' seperate occasions.[[User:Hobophobic|<nowiki>~</nowiki>Hobo]]

::Um, my bad. But you did notice that I changed my edit after that edit you quoted me on, right? And that I was being particularly ambigious in my wording? Anyway, you are right. No hard feelings. Thank you. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:13, 22 Sep 2004 (MST)

:So, were you gonna change it back then? [[User:Hobophobic|<nowiki>~</nowiki>Hobo]]

::Done. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:13, 23 Sep 2004 (MST)
:Thanks [[User:Hobophobic|<nowiki>~</nowiki>Hobo]]

== Idea ==

How about desktop background downloads for the wiki? Anyone who wanted to create one could, then e-mail one of the admins the image. Then the admin, if approved, could upload it into the wiki images. It's just an idea, but I like the sound of it. I'd love to have an HRwiki background. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:Hmm. I don't think so. The problem is this, the Wiki is just for information. If you want to make something on your own and then have it somewhere that you could link to from your userpage, that would be better. See, we kind of tread on this uneasy ground with copyrights and the like. Not only that, but there's also the content issue. I know a background that you would make would most likely be good and wholesome for the Wiki and for Homestar Runner, but I wouldn't want to encourage other not-as-good backgrounds to be made. You are always free to make your own backgrounds, keep them to yourself, use them on your computer, and do what ever you want with them.
:As of right now, I'll say this: I don't think you will ever have an official Homestar Runner Wiki background. But I'll ask around and see what I can do. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:43, 22 Sep 2004 (MST)

::That's fine with me. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

== Floppy Disks ==

Since you apparently look after the floppy disk section mostly, I figured you would be the best person to ask. How do you feel about a picture of the floppy disk container and it's label beside every listing of it in the inside jokes section? I would be happy to complete that undertaking if you approve. Also, is there anywhere else I could add some pictures? I'm finished the rejects section.

-Thunderbird_L17

:[http://old.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=Floppy+Disk+Container%2FStrongBadEmailDiskLabels Floppy Disk Container/StrongBadEmailDiskLabels]. Check it out. The problem is this: the Wiki is text-based, and information provided through text makes things much easier to search and quicker to load. I'm not really sure that having a screenshot of every different one is needed. Why would it need to be seen by the viewer? Could they simply watch the toon or email instead? One thing that really needs to be done regarding The Container is having the links to the page standardized. Every Fun Facts section on every email and toon that has The Container in it should link to the Floppy Disk Container page in a uniform way. You could get started on that, if you want. And then there's what the disks actually reference. There's a subpage of the Old Wiki page on that needs to be copied over and gone through with a fine-tooth comb.
:Regarding the images, you kind of need to convince me why they are actually needed. Thanks for asking though, this has really gotten me thinking. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:31, 22 Sep 2004 (MST)

Well since you already have the list of where the disk case occurs, it should be easy to find the toons to put the link in. I'll get on it later. As far as the floppy images go, I don't think they're NEEDED per-say, but I think it would be kinda cool. It lets people really VISUALIZE the floppys. They would be really small pics too, not full screen. But if you don't want them I won't put them there. As for other pics though, I have been kind of going through the sites putting pictures on everything, if you don't like any of them, feel free to take them off. I just think that any character, object, or place does need a picture to really visualize what the afforementioned thing is. Most of the pages I did only have one or two pics, with the exceptions of The [[King of Town's Castle]] place page, and the [[Tandy_400]] computer page. I kinda may have gone overboard on those ones. Look 'em over and decide. The [[Monkey_D]]'s page also have a few. If you don't like them you can fix them how you see fit. But the widescreen pic in [[Strong_Bad's_Basement]], I'm really proud of that pic. It took me awhile. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 22:24, 22 Sep 2004 (PST)

:Those four pages that you linked to are good. And that basement image is especially good. In some places, it borders on the line of being to much, but I think you played it well. They also could use some small tweaks, but that will all come in good time. As for The Floppies, I think you can make a seperate section on the page for the images and organize them in a table. I actually have all the images, and I can upload them later if you want to use them. (I use them for [http://members.lycos.co.uk/tfpreuss/avatar/avatar.php my avatar] on the forum.) What do you think of that? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:11, 23 Sep 2004 (MST)

Okay, it's up and running..ish. Access it from the regular floppy list. If you have the images, feel free to upload them. Any that you don't have, or don't feel like uploading, I can them. Just upload what you want, and I'll do the rest. Oh, and how do you feel about the naming of images in the Floppy_*name_of_e-mail*.PNG uniformity? You can name then however you want, but I think there should be some form of uniformity in naming the image files. Just tell me if this is okay, and if you're done uploading the images you want. Also, they should all be fullscreen screenshots, right?

[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 11:10, 27 Sep 2004 (PST)

Alrightie. Update on the floppy disk container. I've been slowly working away at the Floppy disk container with screenshots page, no help needed there, but as I do so I realized another thing missing from the floppy disk container section, and an actual USEFUL thing, is a breif description and history of the games listed on the floppy disk containers. So that being said, I'm also plugging away at that in my little corner of the floppy disk page. If you would like the commentaries on the main floppy disk page too, which I think would be useful, please let me know so that I can add them to both pages as I go along. No rush though, it'll probably be a few weeks before I'm finished researching them and all. Let me know if you think this would be an improvement to the floppy disk page though. Generally I don't ask permission for editing things, but since you're the senior and keeper of the floppy disk container, I thought it was only fair to ask you. So what are your thoughts?

[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 9:45, 6 Oct 2004 (PST)

:I do like the information on what the labels mean, and I wouldn't really call them commentaries. They are all pretty clear cut. Let's see how big they get and then play it from there. Keep them on that screenshot page for now, I don't want to violate [[HRWiki:Once And Only Once]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:44, 7 Oct 2004 (MST)

Hiho. I've run into a roadblock doing the pics. In the e-mail 'lackey', how did you read, let alone get a picture, of the CD case? It's off the screen! Please let me know, or if you have the pic, simply save it as Floppy_lackey.PNG . Please let me know either way whenever. Thanks.

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 10:37, 11 Oct 2004 (PST)

:I used a program called [http://www.flash-decompiler.com/ Flash Decompiler]. It's a free download, so you might want to give it a try. Though I wasn't able to export the actual image, I was able to read the text. But you might have better luck than I did.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:41, 11 Oct 2004 (MST)

Sorry, I don't like treating you like an FAQ, I just have ONE last question. (Probably)...
I have the program, but how do you get the file onto it? It seems like you can only decompile files on your harddrive. Is this so? If it is, how do you get a flash file (SB E-mail Lackey) onto your hard drive? If it isn't, how do you get it from the interent? Last question, probably. I promise. Likely.

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 7:33, 13 Oct 2004 (PST)

:Down the bottom of each toon's or email's page, there's a link for the flash file. Just right click and choose "Save Link As..." or your browser's equivalent.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:57, 14 Oct 2004 (MST)

Thanks, I got it. What do you think of my floppy for Lackey? It's the best I could do... Anyways, I wanted to ask you about the once and only once policy. Though I agree that it's a good policy, I think that the 'see above' thing destroys the look of the summaries, especially once they are all finished. Plus, 'Manhunter New York' appeared in an e-mail at the top, then a toon way at the bottom. So it would be kind of hard to just say 'see above'. Plus since the picture is repeated, why not the explanation? You are the moderater, and whatever you decide I'll abide by, but in this case, since it's only for about 4 floppies, a number that's not likely to be increased, could I just repeat the explanations?

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 6:28, 15 Oct 2004 (PST)

:You know, I do like the idea of having the information on both. Let's try using a tempate instead. Do you think that will work?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:33, 15 Oct 2004 (MST)

Template? I don't know much about website formating or whatnot. Basically everything I do on the Wiki I learn by looking at how somebody else wrote a code, and then copying that pattern. But if you think the template or whatever will work, go ahead. You were right about floating the pictures to the left, making it into tables, all that kind of thing. Just do what you want, and if I disagree I can always revert. But overall I'm happy with what you do. Does this mean that I can put the repeat explanations on the few pictures though, instead of 'see above'?

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 23:49, 15 Oct 2004 (PST)

:Okay, here's what I did. I created [[Template:tongue of the fatman]], [[Template:lode runner]], and [[Template:manhunter new york]]. Check out the page to see if you like it. Now, there's only one place you need to go in order to change the content that will show up for both floppies.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 07:41, 16 Oct 2004 (MST)

Okay, that works. I don't really plan on editing them much anyways anymore, once the summary is there. But it looks exactly the same, so it's fine. Btw, I fixed the out of place 3.5 inch disk summary, I found a place for it where it fits nicely. Now nothing has two explanations, and the 5.25 inch disks don't have the same summary twice. (See Second 5.25 Inch Disk Summmary)

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 9:09, 16 Oct 2004 (PST)

:Very good. Well done.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:10, 16 Oct 2004 (MST)

Hey, can you do the same to Cave Quest (100th e-mail) that you did to Shogun? I can't get it the right size without it pixelating...

-[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird L17]] 18:33, 17 Oct 2004 (PST)

:Heh heh. I already did. You can revert back to my image from [[:Image:Floppy flashback.PNG|here]] if you like.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:42, 17 Oct 2004 (MST)

Hey Tom, I thought JPG format was to be used for videos and pictures, and PNG for all flash material. Plus I think the JPG looked clearer and brighter. If you really don't want it there, then I'll try another way, but I thought I read somewhere that JPG was preferable for pictures, just not for flash. Is the one JPG really that bad? Please clarify. Thanks.

[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 06:30, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

:Ah ha. There's a little catch here though. We are talking about a screenshot of a movie or image, and not the actual image itself. Screenshots should always be PNGs. The only kinds of JPGs we should have are photos like [[:Image:TheBrothersChapsBandW.jpg]] or [[:Image:mattchapman.jpg]]. Perhaps an screenshot like [[:Image:puppetdween.png]] better illustrates what I'm trying to say.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:35, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

Okay, I getcha. Then I guess I'll just put it back on the old PNG one for now. Thanks. I guess if anything, it adds diversity...

[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 19:08, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

Alright, I think it's finally done. I have one more little task though that I can't complete on my own. The three templates, Template:manhunter_new_york , Template:lode_runner , and Template:tongue_of_the_fatman are now unneeded, and as such should be deleted, right? I can't figure out how to. If you know of a way, be my guest. Or should they just be left peacefully, until the end of time? -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 09:40, 1 Nov 2004 (MST)

Sorry, I was just going to get breakfast when I finished my summary, and when I finished it I realized there was a stored version that wasn't there when I started. I didn't have time to merge them so I just uploaded mine, and I was going to merge them when I got the chance, which is now. I did notice the picture though, and already put it up. Sorry about that, I don't want to offend anyone. I'm going to merge them right now. I just figured if I put mine in quickly yours is still stored as a past edit, so that way they're both there if needed. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 12:21, 15 Nov 2004 (MST)

Actually, I never thought about NPOV. While I was doing all this, I used reviews as sources, it's easier to just take the opinions of the writers and condence them. But I think that meathod has given the summaries a multi purpose, to now give you a bit of background about the game for curiosity's sake, but also as a type of mini review, for those who are deciding whether or not to find and play them. It gives the summaries a critical and reviewish type feel. Now to go back and do them all NPOV'D would take some doing, and in my opinion I don't think would be as enjoyable to read. What do you think?
'''Side Note:''' Since they replaced the 5.25's along with the Tandy, do you think they might replace the 2.5's with CD's along with the comp? '''UPDATE EDIT: No they didn't, but on [[Main Page 22]] it reveals [[The Cheat]]'s computer has them.''' I dunno, just a curious little observation.

--[[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 15:05, 15 Nov 2004 (MST)

I figured since I already started a conversation thread here, I'd ask this under the same topic. Do you have a DVD player built into your computer? Basically the reason is that I need the pics of the Floppy Disk Containers from the DVD Main Menus for the Floppy Disk Container page. If it's got Puppet Time Version, it stands to reason that DVD version would be acceptable as well. I do have the DVD set, but no way of getting screens. (Prefferably 150px or larger). Thanks in advance,
[[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 15:18, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Okay. I do have a DVD player for my computer. But what screenshots do you need?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:10, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

The screens of the Floppy disk Containers on the Main Menus (the CG'd ones) from the DVDS. [[User:The Paper|The Paper]] did get them, but they decidedly leave something to be desired, and we're hoping you can do better. Hopefully Zoomed and what not. Also, the last Floppy Disk container couldn't be identified, it seems as though it's cut off by the camera. Check the [[Floppy Disk Container]], it's got the base of what I'm looking for there. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks alot. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 17:58, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Okay, I'll see what I can do.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:32, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Return the fanstuff! ==
I'd like a promise to agree to let me bring back the fanstuff. It doesn't make the wiki complete without it.--[[User:No Loafing V2|No Loafing]] 16:34, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)

:Joey has already [[User_talk:JoeyDay|replied to this demand]]. Fanstuff is [[HRWiki:About|not approved]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:11, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)
then im leaving. GOOD BYE!--[[User:No Loafing V2|No Loafing, who will only be on the forum from now on.]] 04:57, 1 Oct 2004 (MST)

Wow. What a crybaby. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:43, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

I second that. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 09:42, 1 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Rollbacks ==

Exactly how do you roll a page back to its previous version? I've attempted to do this in the past, and I still haven't figured out how. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 19:28, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)

:A very good question. I just fixed up the instructions on the [[WikiTroll]] page yesterday. Check 'em out.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:32, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)

== First time Here? on Log in ==

Is there anyway to link to the [[Hrwiki:About|about]] page on a log in page? It seems that people don't read that page, and it might help new users who log in? Do you agree? -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:Hmm, that's a pretty good idea. I'll look into that. But what might even be better is if we had some sort of [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Welcoming_committee|welcoming committee]]. Would you want to be in charge or something like that?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:55, 7 Oct 2004 (MST)

::I think it would be great if we had a welcoming committee (and I wouldn't mind being in charge). -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:::Fantastic, I'm happy to hear it. Just look over what Wikipedia does. We don't need all that stuff, but I'm sure you'll find a way to adapt it for us.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:50, 7 Oct 2004 (MST)

::::Should I make a page for our own little welcome committee? -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:::::Yeah, [[Hrwiki:Welcoming committee]] should work nicely. You're in charge, buddy.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:58, 7 Oct 2004 (MST)

== SB Email categories ==

I moved the [[:Category: Strong Bad Email]] as a sub-category of [[:Category: Strong Bad Filmography]]. All the emails were in both categories when technically all SB Emails are part of his filmography by default. It cleans up the Strong Bad filmography nicely and keeps the all the emails grouped together. There is only one email that SB is not in, but due to this arrangement will still be included in his filmography, but taking the IMDB as a guide, if someone guest hosts the "Late Show with David Letterman" it is called "Late Show Backstage", but it still shows up on Dave’s filmography. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 09:01, 12 Oct 2004 (MST)

:Personally I don't think this really makes sense. An email that Strong Bad is not in should not be in his Filmography, despite what IMDb does. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

::I agree. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:::I also found it a bit confusing. Strong Bad, Homestar, and Marzipan are in all of [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]s, but I don't think that should be a sub-category of any one of their filmographies. I think it would not be confusing to have every email be directly in Strong Bad's Filmography, except [[anything]], just how it was. It would also be less confusing for someone just looking at any email and thinking to themselves, "Oh, this one isn't listed in Strong Bad's Filmography", since it does not show up directly on the page as it is now with the subcategory. That's really what it comes down to, that [[:Category: Strong Bad Filmography]] does not show up on the emails. Oh, and the "anything" thing too.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:56, 12 Oct 2004 (MST)

:::Funny, the IMDB is a suitable guide to determine the precedent for a voice over. To me the Filmography categories are proving to be more trouble then they are worth and a misapplication of the original intent of the category structure. I understand wanting an automatically generated list for the 12 main characters that show up in everything, but it seems from all the other character pages that the Wiki users are more than capable of manually tracking the appearances of even the most obscure psudo-characters.

The stucture:
<pre>Character->Filmography->Strong Bad Filmography->Strong Bad Email</pre>

:::makes a lot of sence to me. SB is in all but one email, which can be explained by a note. If having 100+ emails cluttering the SB filmography and being unnessicarily duplicated in the email list and in the email category doesnt bother you, then it wont bother me.

:::I guess I should get going on [[:Category: Biscuit Dough Hands Man Filmography]] while I'm at it. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 12:15, 12 Oct 2004 (MST)

::::Your presentation just now does make a bit of sense. I'll have to see what others think. Though on that other issue, as I understood it, the filmography categories were never supposed to be extended beyond the 12 main characters. Somewhere along the line, this was not explained well enough and the whole thing took off. I think there's over fifty filmographies now. I'd be happy to draw a line somewhere. ([[:Category:The_Alien_Guy_Filmography]]?)[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:24, 12 Oct 2004 (MST)

== Thank you!!!!!!!1111oneone ==

Thank You x 1 Billion [[User:Hobophobic|<nowiki>~</nowiki>Hobo]]

:Hey, no problem.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:07, 15 Oct 2004 (MST)

== Help Page ==

I'm confused on where to post questions in the [[Help:Contents|help]] section. Do we post it on the FAQ Discussion page or somewhere on the Main Page of the help section? -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:The [[HRWiki_talk:FAQ|discussion page of the FAQ]]. Discussion and "talking" should never really be on a page. The headings on the [[Help:Contents|help]] page were set up by me back in late July and we never really fleshed them out. I'll fix it now. Thanks for bringing this to my attention.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:20, 19 Oct 2004 (MST)

No Problem. And Thanks. -- [[USer:FireBird|FireBird]]

==Notes from The Mysterious Stranger==
Hello, Tommy-boy. I'm back, and in buisiness.
-- [[User:Mysterious-Stranger|Mysterious-Stranger]]

==Subpages==
If there are subpages, we should use them. Anybody agree? (You have too or else, TOM!)--[[User:No Loafing|No Loafing]] 05:31, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

No. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

:Subpages are useful, but only for the right kinds of stuff, like adding an archive to a cluttered talk page, or some ''temporary'' user space separate from the rest of your user space for, say, a rewrite of a page. - [[User:furrykef|[[User:furrykef|furrykef]] ([[User_talk:furrykef|Talk at me]])]] 09:56, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Who's In Charge Of The Main Page Anyways? ==

Hiho. I'm not getting much of a response on the [[Talk:Main Page|Main Talk Page]], so I figured I'd go straight to the source, assuming that the source(s) are moderators. Anyways, here's my question. Who's in charge of the Main Page, not so much the look of it, I don't really care about that, but moreso the organization of the links to pages. Now I'm no moderator, but I was curious as to why the links are organized the way they are. Why are Inside Jokes part of Wiki Stuff, Yet Songs part of Knowledge Base? I've been thinking about the layout, and I belive I've figued out a good way of sortage, and am hoping for either a yes or a no. Either one, as long as I can maybe get some kind of explanation as to why they're sorted the way they are, should the answer be a no. Anyhoo, without further ado, I give you my sorting idea...

Basically it consists of the Knowledge Base containing ONLY the things listed on the H*R main page(s), and putting everything left over into Wiki Stuff. It would look something like this, and would have the added bonus of evening the two sections out, leaving External Links on the bottom...

(The Knowledge Base Stuff)

* [[Toons]]
** [[Strong Bad Email]]
** [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]
** [[Teen Girl Squad]]
** [[Powered By The Cheat]]
** [[Puppet Stuff]]
** [[Holiday Toons]]
* [[Games]]
* [[Characters]]
* [[Downloads]]
* [[Store]]
* [[Email]]
* [[Legal]]
* [[Main Pages]]
** [[Weekly Fanstuff]]
** [[Quote of the Week]]
** [[Sketchbook]]
* [[Museum]]
* [[Secret Pages]]

Then this to the right of it: (Perhaps the first part even in an additional section?)

* [[Places]]
* [[Items]]
* [[Songs]]
* Quotes
* [[Glossary]]
* [[Inside Jokes]]
* "Rejects"
(Perhaps another section here?)
* [[Special:Listusers|List of registered wiki users]]
* [[Links]]
* [[Sightings]]
* [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]]
* [[HRWiki:Ledger|Ledger]]
* [[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]]
* [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]
* [[WikiTroll]]
* [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]]

Then the external links in another catergory. Is there any problem with this layout? The idea behind it is that the first section are your main ingrediants, and the second one is things that you can make out of them. I just belive that things such as Rejects and Inside Jokes should be in the same catergory as things such as songs and items. Any answer to this would be much appreciated, and then I'll shut up about it. Thanks alot Tom. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 02:33, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

:I'm not really sure. Your line of thinking makes sense, however I'm thinking it is our system of classification that really seems to be the issue. Inside Jokes? Rejects? What the heck are those really? Things need to be clearly defined and a system needs to be implimentated to classify things.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:57, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)

Hmmm... Thats a good point. Okay, well at least keep my organizational idea in mind as you go about implementing the changes. And with that, I withdraw from the Main Page arguments and leave it in the rest of the Wiki's capable hands. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 16:29, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)

== STUFF and Fun Facts ==

As you may have read I have an issue with the [[HRWiki:STUFF|STUFF]] page. I am very glad someone has spearheaded an attempt to control the "fun fact" problem, but I still think that the voting and discussion for disputed Fun Facts should be made on the article's talk page and not on the STUFF page.

If a controversial article like [[Wikipedia:History of Israel]] can exist on the Wikipedia by using the Talk page and without resorting to a common page voting system, I think the Homestar Wiki article [[virus]] can too.

Now that we have people's attention with the [[HRWiki:STUFF|STUFF]] page I suggest that we move content discussion back to the Talk pages where they belong.

I have created a preliminary template:disputed

It reads as follows:{{disputed}}

This could be used to let contributors know that there is a dispute, and to direct them to the talk page. The Disputed Fun Facts link should go to a page with the info that [[User:furrykef |furrykef]] wrote on what is and is-not a good fun fact.

People were not using the talk pages effectively in the past, which is a failure of us the users, not of the talk pages.

-[[User:Drhaggis|[[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]]]] 16:35, 26 Nov 2004 (MST)

:I completely agree that talk pages are not effectively used by our users. I did read your comment on the talk page and did like some parts of it.

:You mentioned there that the popularity of the "Stuff" page is typical of a sloppy discussion forum and not an article based reference guide. I indeed was amazed at all the users who were very interested in voting. It appears that a quick vote and comment is much easier than proposing fixes and improvements.

:You also presented the idea that this problem inherent mostly because the Homestar Runner Universe is finite. I completely agree. I also believe this is why some users, instead of improving on articles that already exist, create very small articles for very fringe elements of said universe. While I don't think that the Stool article may be one of these, I'm not entirely interested in proposing other examples at this time.

:While this may not be the time or place to discuss your other comment on that talk page about proper classification, I believe it would be important to address that issue with whichever system is accepted for the dealing with fun facts.

:As [[User:furrykef|Kef]] noted in his reply to your comment, the STUFF process was loosely based on Wikipedia's Votes for Deletion process. I do like Wikipedia's VfD process and have participated in it in the past, but as you may notice we don't have a system like this for dealing with the deletion of pages because we are so small. It works for Wikipedia but would simply would not work for us.

:Throughout my travels around Wikipedia, I have seen several pages with notices like the one on the [[Wikipedia:History of Israel]] page. While I don't believe the scale of discussions here will every reach such a level as that, I am willing to investigate the possibility of using such a system.

:If we were to adopt your proposal, I would want some sort of centrally located instruction page. As you mention, this could contain some of Kef's rules from the STUFF page. I'd also want it to list all the pages that are currently going through the process.

:Of course, your proposal is in direct conflict with the current STUFF system, which the users seems to have latched on to. I like your proposal, but I'm interested in hearing how you would implement it given the current circumstances.

:Thank you for being bold enough to propose an alternative.

:[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:13, 26 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Image Use Policy ==

Hi, I was just wondering about the special page "[[Special:Image_use_policy|Image Use Policy]]", accessable from the [[Special:Upload|Upload Page]]. It doesn't seem to have anything on it. Is there any way to fix that? [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 18:35, 7 Dec 2004 (MST)

:Good find. I've changed the link so that it goes to [[HRWiki:Image use policy]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:58, 8 Dec 2004 (MST)

::Thanks, I'll get to work on that a bit later. Maybe cut and paste something from Wikipedia and go from there. In other news, were you aware that somebody turned the [[Floppy Disk Container]] into a redirect? Is this allowed? Do you condone this? If so, I'm sorry that I kind of hijacked your pride and joy and turned it into my own. I'll make it up to you, somehow... [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:25, 14 Dec 2004 (MST)

:::I did notice that redirect and decided to not do anything about it. And the only thing we have now regarding images is what is in the [[HRWiki:Standards#Screenshot|screenshot section]] on the Standards page.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:15, 14 Dec 2004 (MST)

i dont no how to bring a pickchur to my payj. how do yoou do it?

:What?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:28, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::[[User:Son Goku|Son Goku]] needs help putting up a ''picture'' on his user ''page''. ([http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Image:w12_DragonballZ100.jpg This picture that he uploaded]) --[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 00:46, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yeah sorry about that. You see, he doesn't really know how to spell
very good.
[[User:Balmung of Azure Sky|Lord Balmung of the Azure Sky]] 3:47 PM

:Uh, right.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:15, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==Things Noticed Page==
I didn't know there was a fansite wiki, but thanks for telling me! Sorry if I was being to rude about things noticed... -- [[User:Guy27|Guy27]] 12:02, 20 Dec 2004 (MST)

==Poor Images==
''[In reply to a comment on [[User_talk:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf#Poor_images|User_talk:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf]]]''

Yeah, hi. You asked how I made those pictures? Well, I have a screenshot program that only makes Jpegs (which I later save as PNG's), so you can see why the quality would be poor. 'Cause, you know, Jpegs are poor quality. Oh, and I like how you are constanly using [http://www.wikipedia.org WikiPedia] links.
---[[User:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf|Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf]] 22:58, 23 Dec 2004 (MST)

:Yeah, [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia|Wikipedia]] links are great. I'm curious as to what "screenshot program" you use. What operating system are you running? I know Windows captures raw image files to the clipboard with a simple push of the "print screen" key. These can be used in any image editing program, like the [[Wikipedia:Free software|free]] [http://www.gimp.org/ the GIMP]. They turn out much better than [[:Image:Kobe 1-4.png|other]] [[:Image:Kobe 2-4.png|images]] [[:Image:Kobe 2-4.png|you uploaded]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:52, 24 Dec 2004 (MST)
:''[Cross posted at [[User_talk:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf#Poor_images|User_talk:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf]] at 17:54, 24 Dec 2004 (MST)]''

I use this thing called [http://www.screenshot-utility.com/ Screenshot Utility] as my, quote unquote, "screenshot program", if that's what you call those things. But anyway, I'm trying to download a new [http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/9220 "program of shots of screens"], but the downloading bar's been stuck at 77% for like, 10 minutes, so, I dunno.

==About blocking==

Hello, Tom! I don't mean to interfere with anything, but I noticed that you blocked 24.1.84.103 for defacing the Main Page when it looks like s/he was restoring it from another troll (and then it was trolled again by that "logan" kid).

Anyway, I really admire the work you've been doing on this Wiki. Gweat job...I mean, gweat job...I mean, gweat job. --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 20:41, 27 Dec 2004 (MST)

:Yeah man, that's my bad. Thanks. It's been fixed.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:48, 27 Dec 2004 (MST)

==Re: Rejects cat==

Just got your message. The reason I started the "project" is because, from my view, the Rejected Characters should be flagged not only from the Rejects page, but from their article itself. --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 21:26, 28 Dec 2004 (EST)

:Your concern is understandable, but the whole "rejects" thing really isn't to Drhaggis and my liking. However I'm mostly at a loss at how to classify these things, but I'll ask Drhaggis, as putting things into categories is his speciality.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:33, 28 Dec 2004 (MST)

:I think the "Rejects" page should be deleted. If we as a community have deemed a character or item "article worthy" we simply create the article and categorize it accordingly. I think "Rejects" are a hold over from the old Wiki that is not served by the capabilities of the new Wiki. There are few truly "Rejected" things; [[Dijjery-Doo]] for example was rejected by [[TBC]], but he has still popped up in [[for kids]].
: The Characters/Items/Places categories are a bit big, and can be grouped into sub categories. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 12:51, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)

::Okay, sounds reasonable enough to me. However, how do you think we can go about this with minimal damage to the egos of those responsible for said Rejects? And I sure don't want anything to get lost.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:14, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)

:I think we just need to delete the "Rejects" list. All the things that were previously deamed to be rejected already have articles so no data is lost, just the well done "...are a waste of time" banners on the page. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 13:23, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)

::Whoa! Those things really ''are'' all categorizied. Okay, the page has been deleted, and all article links to it have been removed.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:36, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)

== Rejected Halloween Costumes Task ==

Hi Tom! Thunderbird here again, with a special task for a few of my fellow users. On the [[Sketchbook]] page, in the [[Sketchbook#In The Museum|Museum]] section of that page, the last picture is a bunch of rejected halloween costume ideas. The caption gives the challenge '10 bucks to anyone who can identify them all'. So what I propose is to identify them all. I've already set up a basic 'top left to bottom right' type list under the 'Description' section, with the two most obvious costumes in it. But can we get the other costumes, and win ourselves $10? Any costumes you know would be a help. Thanks. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 02:14, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Update: The good Doctor Haggis was far faster with that task than I could have ever expected. All the costumes are done with the exception of one: The full body [[Marzipan]]. Many think that she is in fact Belle from Beauty & the Beast, but we're not quite sure about that. What are your thoughts? Any better ideas as to who this mystery Marzipans could be, or even just your opinion as to weather or not she's Belle? [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 12:11, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Stu... ==

Any idea where [[User:Stu|Stu]] has been? →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:Yeah, I do. But you can ask him yourself. His email address is in his profile on the forum, or you could use the [[Special:Emailuser/Stu|MediaWiki user email thing]] if you have it set up correctly.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:52, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)

::Okay. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

== SsSp ==

I'd say [[SsSp]] passed the test. :-) --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 23:36, 4 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Indeed. Hmm...[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:21, 6 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Glitch Template ==

Sorry about that! I was just experemeting w/ overflows, and It turned out that FF coulndent handle it. I didnt know how to deleat it! Firefox crashed while atempting to view it. Also, why dont they have protection on user pages? Couldend a WikiTroll Distroy sombodys page? How do i set <nowiki>→[[User:firefocman|''<tt>[[User:firefoxman|FireFox Man]]</tt>'']]</nowiki> As my siggi?
Thanks,
→[[User:firefocman|''<tt>[[User:firefoxman|FireFox Man]]</tt>'']]

:The Wiki can be edited by any person, but defacement never lasts. And here are [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Preferences#Your_nickname the instructions] to change your signature.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:31, 10 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Sysop ==

How does one become a Sysop? It would be nice to be able to ban some Trolls. *chuckles* -[[User:firefoxman|Ω Lucas]] 15:23, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Certainly not by asking. Teh lame, don't you think? Also, please try to use the "Show preview" button before the "Save page" button.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:18, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

== My Work... Deleted!? ==

i noticed that you deleted my work on the [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]] page.. jw why...
-- Always cheating, never speaking, [[User:The Cheat|The Cheat]]

:[[HRWiki:Once And Only Once]]. Also, we simply don't list parts of things on the main page for something. For example, we don't list every time [[Strong Bad]] has said the word "crap" or made fun of [[Homestar Runner|Homestar]] on the [[Strong Bad Email]] page.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:24, 16 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Wikipedia ==

I hope the contacts that didn't happen over on Wikipedia were going to be good ones. Sometimes I worry that a fan is going to leave me messages about how I'm destroying the articles by removing "important information" about every Homsar Halloween Easter egg or some such. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]]

== Giving props ==

Tom, you're my hero. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 15:37, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Sweet. Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:43, 20 Jan 2005 (MST)

::I second that. You're everyone's hero. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::Yay for TOM!!! ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>'' 00:42, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

I don't know why we're cheering, but I'm good for it. '''HOORAY FOR BOX!''' I mean Tom. Hooray for ''Tom.'' [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]]

== Re: huttah! ==

You're right but wrong. You were correct that there was no evidence of a camera in The Cheat's room. However, my comment on the non-revert was due to the fact that the writer essentially plugged a personal comment into the middle of the transcript (which is NOT acceptable); upon seeing that, I admit that I barely read it. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 15:31, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Understood. And you are right. I did not revert back to the writer's version, and did remove the commentary-like style. Thanks Jay.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:30, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Admin nomination ==

I'm not sure what ratio of administrators to users you are planning on maintaining, but I think [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] would make an excellent admin. Consider this a formal nomination. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 23:15, 26 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Cool, I'll take this into consideration with the other admins. I'll keep you posted[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:57, 28 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Back In The Lab Again ==

How have you been? I have been busy as crap recently. Whats happened with the wiki recently? --[[User:DeLoreanz1|DeLoreanz1]] 14:06, 8 Feb 2005 (MST)

:I'm good, thanks for asking. As for recent things on the Wiki, I suppose the best place to look would be [[Special:Recentchanges|Recent changes]]. We pretty much just keep doing our thing.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:11, 8 Feb 2005 (MST)

Good. I've been playing Yahoo Pool, watching James Bond, and messing with my electronics. --[[User:DeLoreanz1|DeLoreanz1]] 14:23, 8 Feb 2005 (MST)

== Coach Z's Team ==

Can you tell me why [[Coach Z's Team]] was deleted? If we don't need it, why bother having an article for [[On Point Kings]]? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 11:20, 13 Feb 2005 (MST)

:Beats me. Of course, the text
::''Coach Z's Team is a team coached by Coach Z, consisting of Homestar Runner and co. It's unknown what sport they play, while played on an football field, it also involves basketball hoops and a baseball being kicked around.''
:is hardly article worthy. So pretty much we know that Coach Z's team is coached by Coach Z and is a team. Was it ever even mentioned in a toon?
:Additionally, if you don't think [[On Point Kings]] is worth the article, you are welcome to bring it up on the respective talk page.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:03, 13 Feb 2005 (MST)

"text is hardly article worthy"?? I stubed the freakin' page. As being mentioned in a toon, the [[Yearbook Character Page]] is the only reference I could find. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 12:35, 14 Feb 2005 (MST)

:Okay. So you think the page was worth the article?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:47, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)

Yes. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 12:22, 17 Feb 2005 (MST)

:I don't. It doesn't provide any information that one couldn't figure out by just watching [[A Jorb Well Done]]. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

Yet [[Strong Bad's Mount RidesPlace USA]] doesn't provide any information that one couldn't figure out by just watching [[theme park]]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 09:50, 19 Feb 2005 (MST)

This was marked and deleted again. Tell you what Trogga, the day we know what sport they play, we will keep the article ;) [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 22:11, 10 Apr 2005 (MDT)

== Rock Opera Context Note ==

Tom,

Hello. I hope your day is well.

I disagree with your moving the work left to do on the rock opera context page to the discussion page, for the simple reason that NOBODY will see it there. If it can't be on the main page, then it should be deleted altogether, as it is serving no purpose.

The point of putting up the note was to aid people in knowing which words were still missing and at the same time encourage those die-hard troupers out there to help complete the page (kind of like a game). You know who I'm talking about: that special someone who is gonna figure out exactly which "I" was used from "lackey".

Therefore, I believe the note should be reinstated at the head of the main page. Besides, it's only temporary... just till we get this thing done.

Kind regards, 
[[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 10:58, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)

:I understand and appreciate your concern. However, articles are designed to be read as articles and nothing else. There should never be notes or instructions left for future editors. This is mentioned explicitly in the [[HRWiki:Standards#Don't use conversational style|don't use conversational style]] section of the [[HRWiki:Standards|wiki standards]]. Wiki users, especially the die-hard troupers you mention, know to look at Talk pages. That's what they are for.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:05, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)

I see your point. I still don't completely like it, but at least I agree with you now. This particular page is close to my heart because I'm the one who set it up and got the ball rolling on filling in the words (although, I'll admit that ''someone'' would have done it eventually). It also happens to be the very first page I've created for the Wiki. I'm so pleased that the community has deemed the page useful and that they're helping to finish it with such vigor. I watch excitedly as each new entry is filled in. (I would do more research myself, but I've got this stupid ''job'' thing where I have to be if I want money. You probably know how that goes.)

Cheers, 
[[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 11:49, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)

:No problem. I'll remove the note again. I'd also like to bring to your attention the [[HRWiki:Projects]] page. That might be a better spot for you to put a note.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:10, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)

==[[Strong Bad Email By Name]] Tables?==

I've put tables up on the A's and B's section of [[Strong Bad Email By Name]]. What do you think of this? Do you think it's better? Any suggestions as to how the tables should be better? Should I leave it as 'N/A', ''N/A'', 'None', or just leave it blank or something? Any input or blessing would be much appreciated. I'm just gonna leave it there until I get some kinda direction from a higher power (I.E., Mod). Thanks.
[[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 00:59, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)

:Looks like you got a good respose on [[Talk:Strong Bad Email By Name#Tables|the talk page for the article]]. Looks good.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:26, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

:Yea, [[User:Jay|Jay]] was a big help. Thanks anyways.
[[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 00:15, 28 Feb 2005 (MST)

==We Need A Mod==

On the H*R updates page, (the main one), I think the disclaimer at the top needs rewording a bit since we now have the navigation box. But it's a protected page. So we can't change it. Can you? It doesn't really need any of those links anymore, since they're all in the box. Thanks.

[[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 00:15, 28 Feb 2005 (MST)

:Done.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:54, 28 Feb 2005 (MST)

== NYU Video ==

I know I probably shouldn't put this on your wiki, but on your website, the link to the NYU video is dead or something. Do you have any advice on how to open it? I was there, but I'd love to see it again! And this way, I won't have to stand outside in the cold for 2 hours holding a yellow sign to get tickets again.

:I just wanted to '''thank you''' for making the video available to us fans! Using your generous torrent and 80 percent of your AVI file, I have put up a [[NYU Talk - 1 Mar 2005|preliminary transcript]]. It barely scratches the surface, but it's a start. To the person above (who didn't sign his or her post), check out Tom's instructions [[Talk:NYU Talk - 1 Mar 2005|here]]. Thanks again, Tom. I really loved what I've seen of your footage of the performance and autograph signing. I hope the screenshots I took do it justice! --[[User:The Paper|The Paper]] 13:27, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)

::Issac: I think The Paper answered your question, those instructions should be what you need.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:35, 19 Mar 2005 (MST)

::The Paper: Hey, the pleasure is all mine. The transcript looks pretty good. I also want to compliment you on your screenshots. How did you manage to get [[:Image:TBC at NYU intro.jpg|this one here]] to look so good on that second try?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:35, 19 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Removing Fun fact ==

I just removed a funfact in [[long pants]] on the basis of it being a repeat apprearance, and already mentioned in the transcript. Why did you re- add it?--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 14:38, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)

:It was a long standing rule not link to articles in a transcript. I see this is not the case in this instance, as [[BMW Lighter]] is linked to from the transcript. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I've reverted my revert.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:43, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)

:Similar occurences appear on other pages where the lighter is used. Would you like me to remove those fun facts too?--[[User:-erson|-erson]] 14:47, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)

::I suppose as long as there is a link somewhere in the article there isn't any harm. But make sure the fun facts don't afford any additional information before you remove them. If it's just "The BMW Lighter is in this toon", then it would seem to be alright to remove it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:52, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)

==Redirectetiquette?==

Okay, I changed the links from Sketchbook to [[Museum Sketchbook]], and moved the page there. But I can't seem to move [[Weekly Sketchbook]] to Sketchbook. Is that because it's got the redirect there, in which case do I need to first wipe the Sketchbook page clean, and then move the page there? ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'' 17:54, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)

:I'll be interested to see Tom's reply, because I'm pretty sure you can't have both an article and a redirect with the same name. But I also have a question for both of you: Shouldn't the museum sketchbook article be called <nowiki>[[Sketchbook (museum)]]</nowiki>, instead of <nowiki>[[Museum Sketchbook]]</nowiki>? After all, the tab on the file folder just reads "Sketchbook". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:07, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)

::Dang, not again. I just don't know. I think it's pretty safe to say that the weekly should just be 'Sketchbook', but yea, the Museum one is kinda 'sketchy', (slight pun intended). Well it's up to you guys, as long as the weekly one gets the 'main title'. ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'' 19:53, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)

:::Fixed. See [[Museum Sketchbook]] and [[Sketchbook]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:18, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Edit Conflict Solution? ==

If we delete all pages that have an edit conflict, and then put them back with the same title and content, do you think that might get rid of this Edit Conflict problem? --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 07:54, 9 Apr 2005 (MDT)

:That was one thing I tried, but it didn't work. It doesn't matter now, as it is now fixed by another solution.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:19, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Inappropiate Context? ==
My friend wants to know if [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Other_Character_Email_Strong_Mad/30&oldid=13978 this other character email] on the Fanbase is legal, or if it he would get in trouble if he makes it public. Can you help? -- [[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 09:08, 10 Apr 2005 (MDT)

==Oh No! [[User:Tom|Tommy's]] Stuck In The Well!==

Well seriously, where else could [[User:Tom|he]] be? [[User:Tom|He]] hasn't been around since the third! Hey [[User:Tom|Tom]], [[User:Tom|your]] questions are stacking up! Hurry up and get out, [[User:Thunderbird L17|w]][[User:FireBird|e]] need [[User:Tom|your]] guidance and wisdom beyond [[User:Tom|your]] years! ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'' 09:59, 10 Apr 2005 (MDT)

== Unnamed Characters ==

Yo, I have something to ask you, Why don't you have a Category for unnamed characters? I was planing on doing some pages for a few people In the background of marshmallows last stand, and they wouldn't have a category!

:I'm thinking there isn't one because we don't need one. And it's not like I'm the one who comes up with these things anyway. It's a wiki. If there's a need for something, anyone can create it following the [[HRWiki:Standards|standards]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:54, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== MediaWiki Question ==

Hi Tom:

First, thanks for hrwiki, it rules and I visit at least weekly. If you browse to [http://jfwiki.org my new wiki] you'll see that I've stolen (respectfully appropriated?) some of your excellent help text and another thing or two. Wikisource comments give you props.

But there's something else I want to learn from you: how do you make fundraising or sysop announcements appear across the whole wiki?

Bowing humbly, [[User:spblat|spblat]] 20:42, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Never mind. MediaWiki:Sitenotice [[User:spblat|spblat]] 23:17, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::Yup, you got it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:01, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Email ==

Whoa! Yes, yes I most assuradly do. Only every two or three days though, and my junk folder even less, due to the unholy ammount of spam I am bombarded with. But I just sifted through, and found it. I also added you to safe list, so all future emails from yourself will be replied to much faster. Come to think of it, I'm gonna go and add all sysop addresses to my safe list. ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'' 01:11, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Cool.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:15, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==Sysop Question==

Hey Tom, I have a question about the new Sysop abilities. Just how do I do the Recentchanges Patrol ability? And what exactly would I be viewing? Aren't edits instantanious? So how do I view them ahead of time? Thanks Tom. ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'' 03:24, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:When you view edits via the RecentChanges page by clicking on the "diff" link, you now have the option to "[Mark as patrolled]". This removes the red exclamation point on the RecentChanges list, alerting other sysops that you've checked out that edit so they don't have to.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:49, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::Sweet, That's useful. I was wondering what those red marks were for. Okay, thanks. ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'' 04:06, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::Actually, you can mark a change as patrolled if you are or aren't a sysop. At least, I could. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

::::Hey, you're right. The requirement is simply that you are a logged in user.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:25, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::::Oh. Well then... Coun't a troll mark his own change as 'patrolled'? Or are trolls generally just accepted to not be that smart, or have that long of an attention span? ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>'' 23:28, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::::::Generally, trolls != smart. But yes, any logged in user could mark any edit as patrolled. Though it's likely that the kind of people that deface articles are not the kind of people who know about the patrolled edit feature.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:45, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Format Help ==

(copying what's on my Talk page) Hi there -erson. I've deleted your "formathelp" Template and Category. If something is formatted incorrectly, just fix it. Notes for future editors like that should not appear in articles, as per the [[HRWiki:Standards|Wiki standards]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:53, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:I realise that, however it is I that do not know advanced formating, d would like to keep this notes inthe pages I am planning to make. And shouldnt that *this page requires clanup and revision* template be deleted too as it would be a note to future editors?-- <tt>Posted by: [[User:-erson|-erson]] [[User talk:-erson|Talk]]</tt> 18:43, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::[[Help:Editing]] contains all the advanced formatting you should need to make a page. You can also use the [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]] for practice and ask questions and request help from other users (I'd be happy to assist). The Cleanup template isn't really a note to future editors so much as a notice that a page needs work done on it. So there's really no need for the "formathelp" template. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 23:13, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:::What she said.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:56, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

==MATT?!?!?!==

Oh come on, couldn't you guess I was gonna do that next? I just did a save, and realized that THE EXACT CHANGES were already made. Seriously, what a pointless five minutes. Oh well. You wanna do the final clean up/formatting? ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'' 23:26, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:You actually went through and changed them all by hand? Man, that's rough. I just popped the text into TextPad and did a "find and replace all". It's all yours now, help yourself.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:35, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

:Ah, cut and paste. I thought of the 'find and replace all', but since it isn't in the Wiki I didn't think of it. I just cut and pasted 'att', and then just pointed and Ctr+V'd. But your meathod will be WAY better in the future, thanks. Learn something new everyday I guess... ''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'' 23:39, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

::Indeed.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:43, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

== Personal CSS ==

Is it possible to change the size of the logo in one's personal "monobook.css"? →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

:Not really. You could hide half of it (or as much as you want) with something like <tt>#p-logo{height:155px;width:6em;overflow:hidden;}</tt>, but I don't think that's what you are looking for. There might be some other solution, but I really can't think of anything right now off of the top of my head.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:49, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

== Attention... ==

Tom, have you noticed the conversation going on at [[HRWiki talk:Introduction 2]] yet? I've proposed combining pages 2 and 3 into a single page and posted a [[User:JoeyDay/Introduction 2 mock-up|mock-up]] on my user page. Let me know what you think. — http://joeyday.com/images/wikisig.gif '''[[User:JoeyDay|Joey]]''' ([[User talk:JoeyDay|talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/JoeyDay|edits]]) 19:03, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

== Personalized Signatures ==

Since many folks nowadays seem to be personalizing their sigs, I was just wondering: Is sig help covered in an 'HRWiki:' page? If not, should one be made? ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>'' 18:42, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

:[[HRWiki:User preferences help#Your nickname]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:31, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

::Thanks. I added a paragraph about changing the signature color, check it out and make changes if you want. I don't think I really explained it perfectly... ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>'' 21:42, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

:::I honestly don't think it is necessary. It's something people learn over time. Customizing one's signature shouldn't be that important. And if I may ask, why are you linking to december.com there? Wouldn't the relavent [[Wikipedia:Web colors|Wikipedia article on web colors]] be better?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:51, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

::::I fixed the paragraph about signature color so it is valid XHTML 1.0 Strict (just doing my duty as a member of the [[HRWiki:Validation committee|validation committee]]). I also linked to the suggested wikipedia article. — http://joeyday.com/images/wikisig.gif '''[[User:JoeyDay|Joey]]''' ([[User talk:JoeyDay|talk]]·[[Special:Contributions/JoeyDay|edits]]) 00:27, 7 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Oh there it is. I figured there was some kinda wikipedia article on the subject, but I couldn't find it. That was just the site I used, but yea, the wikipedia one is far better. And I know it's not necessary, but I couldn't figure it out, so likely people that come along later won't be able to either. This way they can just turn to the help section, and it's all right there along with a Wikipedia color scheme. Thanks guys. ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>'' 07:11, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

==Trogga==

[[User:FireBird|We]] have a problem with Trogga. He's been making alot of edits that boarder on Trolling. Just look at his [[User talk:Trogga|talk page]] and you'll [[Special:Contributions/Trogga|see what we mean]]. Make no mistake about it, he does make good edits too, but a large chunk of them are mass deletions of text. So what should we do? Is another big deletion grounds for blocking? Or should we continue to follow him around undoing his... overzealousness? ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>'' 01:22, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

:I know Joey has threatened to block him before. I know he makes some good edits, so just be careful we don't lose a good editor. If you feel he should be blocked, just make sure you give him fair warning (which I guess you have already) and keep it short (24h).[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:01, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

==Copywritten Reply==

[[Talk:Tastes Like Chicken Interview|Check it out]]. Ask and thou shalth recieve. He said to let him know either way, so should I just email back, thank him for his offer, and accept it? (I'm also gonna get to all the other interviews over the next couple days, start writing some letters...) ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>'' 05:38, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

:Hey, something is better than nothing. Yeah, you should email him back and kindly accept with our gratitude. Just make sure you include all your emails back and forth on the discussion page. Good work![[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:42, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

::Do you have time for a legal question? I was just seeing the R!OT news radio page, that one apparently didn't even come with a website or transcript. Does that fall under 'fair use'? Same question with Wired News Radio. ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>'' 22:16, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

:::For the [[R!OT Radio Interview 1]], the best I could find was a [http://tvulive.com/contact.htm contact form]. I think we are okay with the transcript there, but we could still ask for information regarding the broadcast.
:::The [[Wired News Radio Interview]] has "© Copyright 2005, Lycos, Inc. All Rights Reserved." at the bottom. There's also a "Reprints" link at the top, that leads to [http://www.rsicopyright.com/ics/prc_main/select_usertype.html?prc=3.6289.4462850 a walkthrough] of copyright stuff. You'd want to choose the "All Other Licensing Requests" option there, and fill out that form.
:::Hope that helps.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:48, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

::::Thanks man, that's perfect. One more legal question: Wonkavision. Is that fair use? Seems like reprinting stuff in a magazine that's still for sale wouldn't fall under that, but am I wrong? ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>'' 07:06, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::Yeah, regarding the [[Wonkavision Magazine Interview]], I'm thinking that we can't reproduce it for the reasons you mention, but there's no harm in [http://www.wonkavisionmagazine.com/contact.html asking]. I'd also guess the [http://www.livejournal.com/community/homestar_runner/899307.html copy that exists elsewhere] doesn't have permission to be there.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:07, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Okay, well thanks for all that info, I'll just keep trying to work out all the legal bugs on that page then. Thanks. ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>'' 19:11, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

==pre==

Is there a way to make this formatting have a 'cascading' type result fitting the window, as is usually the case? All I ever get, save manually seperating the paragraph into managable lines, is having the paragraph extend endlessly to the right... ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>'' 05:00, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, what you experience is exactly what the <tt><pre></tt> tag is [http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/struct/text.html#h-9.3.4 supposed to do]. Sorry.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:39, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

::Oh okay. But we're still supposed to use this when showing some kind of printed message, such as an email, correct? Because that's what I've been doing with the permission emails for reprintage on the talk pages. ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>'' 17:22, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

:::When quoting an email, you should use <code>blockquote</code> instead of <code>pre</code>. We should set up a style so that blockquoted text has a distinct look. Perhaps a bar down the left hand side like you get when replying to an email in Outlook. I've actually been wanting to get away from <code>pre</code> for some time now. I've proposed a change to Strong Bad Emails on the [[Talk:Strong Bad Email#New email format...|Strong Bad Email talk page]]. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 18:17, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

==SPACL?==

Have you seen [[HRWiki:The Stick|The Stick]] lately, namely this '[[HRWiki:STUFF'd Project Activities Control League|SPACL]]' thing? Is this sanctioned at all? It doesn't really seem to fit into the wiki as a 'NPOV' type place at ALL. [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]], a user who's only been around a few months, and whom I've never even HEARD OF, has seemed to claim ownership of it as well, which really isn't a Wiki thing to do. I mean, not even Joeyday does much without a joint decision. I don't want to delete it or anything in case it is sanctioned, but I really think this needs a total overhaul at least, if not total deletion. Can't this thing just be covered under the [[HRWiki:Select The Usable Fun Facts|STUFF]] page, or it's talk page? This is really starting to turn this Wiki into the direction of the Fanstuff one, something I really wouldn't want to see... ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|⇔]][[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|⇔]]</tt>'' 19:20, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

:Eep. I don't that's what Joey had in mind, and it looks like he is taking care of it on the [[HRWiki talk:STUFF'd Project Activities Control League|talk page]] over there. Thanks for the heads up Thunderbird.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:33, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

==STUFF reform==
Hey, Tom. I've got a page I'd like you to check out. [[User:It's dot com/STUFF reform]]. It took me a long time to create it, and I would value your input. (You can use the talk page there.) Thanks. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:01, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

:Sorry, but [[HRWiki talk:Select The Usable Fun Facts#I don't think we need STUFF anymore|I don't think we need STUFF anymore]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:46, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
== Importante!! Importante!! ==
OK TOM! I give up! Everybody's been flicking my ear about some typa spyware or something on my computer that ''I've'' personally never seen a lick of. If what you say is true, do you, or anyone else, know how to '''DELETED''' the ware?
Your whatever,
[[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]]
P.S. Everyone's been saying that it mangles pages. So sorry for mangling any pages.

:Who has been bothering you about this? Everybody? What ''I'' say is true? What are you talking about?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:01, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

::I can't edit my user page and alot of other stuff because whenever I click "edit", The screen says "USER IS BLOCKED. YOU HAVE BEEN BLOCKED BY TOM. HE SAYS THAT YOU HAVE SPYWARE THAT MANGLES PAGES. PLEASE CONTACT TOM." or something like that. So its been mostly you, but once in a blue moon, it pops from someone like Jay or someone else popular or important *sob*. [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]]

:::Not exactly that. We don't use all capital letters in any of our site notices. It sounds like you are seeing the [[MediaWiki:Blockedtext|blocked notice]]. You see that part there that says "Your IP address is [your IP address here]. Please include this address in any queries you make." Yeah, I need your IP address to fix the problem. Or at least determine what's going on.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:17, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

::::He had a different complaint about some "dollar" deal that happened a while back... I think his IP address might be ever-shifting, but since I don't know what his IP address is... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:22, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Okay now. Just before I tell you my IP address, how do you find out your IP address (sorry, I've only been on HRWiki for 2 months or so, and I'm still trying to adapt and learn all thems weird whatsamajiggies you's abeen saying (like ''IP Address'')).

:There are multiple ways to go about it. One easy way would just be to log out and look at the upper-right corner of any page here on the Wiki, and it will tell you. Or you could go through your computer's settings. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:39, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

::It should be a seven or eight digit number or so, seperated by two periods. E.g: 43.202.18 or something. and Jay's right, the best way to find it is just sign out, and look on the top right of the wiki, or even just after signing out, leave a comment here that includes: <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki>, Which is four little wavy signs that will be on the top left of your keyboard. (Likely 'Shift' + The top left button below esc). Are those instructions any better? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 16:50, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Actually it will be four numbers of up to three digits each - anything from 0.0.0.0 to 255.255.255.255. But I'm a Comp Sci major who studied IP addresses as part of one of my classes last semester. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:21, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

::::Jay and Thunderbird: IP addresses consist of 32 bits. A single bit is a one or a zero. IPv4 addresses are commonly expressed as a dotted quad, four octets (8 bits) separated by periods. Read [[Wikipedia:IP address|IP address]] for more information.
::::Cheatachu72: Try [http://www.ipchicken.com/ ipchicken.com].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:29, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

:::::Uh, yes, I know. I was just trying to explain what it would look like. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:46, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

::::::I didn't. Very... Interesting. Thanks guys. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} (Check Out My New And Improved Userpage! Comment On How To Make It Better!)

:::::::Sorry Jay, I didn't mean to imply that you didn't know. I just like putting the info out there. Oh, and I missed your last comment there. Whoops.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:06, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

== Banned? ==

Wow, Tom, you really were my favorite moderator right up until there. Why did you ban me? Do you not like me? Is ramrod the only person who fits your standards, and JelloB?--[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]][[User_talk:Homsar999|ß]] 22:22, 23 May 2005 (CDT)

== 70.92.150.43 ==

This guy is making quite a mess today. Can you ban him? -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:46, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

:Done.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:48, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

::Thanks! But why only 72 hours? This is the 2nd time he's done this. If this isn't grounds for a permanent ban, I don't know what is! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 15:51, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Quite sadly, there's no such thing as a permanent ban. We can ban a particular IP address indefinitely, but ISPs assign users new IP addreses frequently, especially on dial-up. Banning any IP indefinitely is just as likely to block out legitimate users who inherit the blocked IP sometime down the road as it is to keep the troll from coming back. This is why we rarely use indefinite blocks. — [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 17:42, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

:I agree that guy's done too much damage. We've spent half an hour cleaning up after him. [[User:The_Pardack|The Pardack]]

== Yep, it's me ==

Is Tom the head of this place? I just became a user, and I want to put this right. PUT WAGON FULLA PANCAKES IN THE RIGHT PLACE. Really, i'm not stopping until it's done, make it a character, do you see a label on the Wagon Fulla Pancakes that makes him eatable? I don't. Please fix this, I don't know this formatting hullabaloo, but you sure do, so could you help me here? P.S. How do I make links from stuff? -Dinoshaur

:Excuse me? I don't understand.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:52, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Here's a question ==
On the new main page, do you know where the List of registered users is? [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]] 17:52, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

:Nowhere. Try [[HRWiki:The Stick|The Stick]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:54, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

== [[Mellow Mushroom]] ==

Tom, how do you [[Talk:Main_Page#More_interwiki_links.3F|know]] TBC only did the animation on MM? --[[User:Trogga|TROGGA!]] 19:23, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

:They certainly don't make pizzas or own any part of the Mellow Mushroom company. They were hired to do the website. And if my memory serves me correctly, I think Matt did some radio commercials for them too. Why do you ask?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:30, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I know they only did the website, but why do you say the toons aren't written by TBC? --[[User:Trogga|TROGGA!]] 00:06, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The toon that is on the site is pathetic. I hold TBC in too high a regard to say that they wrote it. -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 00:15, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Trogga: Were the toons written by The Brothers Chaps?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:12, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Maybe. Why don't you ask [mailto:jeff@mellowmushroom.com this guy]? --[[User:Trogga|TROGGA!]] 23:07, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Have you asked him already? Why don't you?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:30, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==Mustachioed Homestar==
Why not have a separate page for this guy, at least temporarily? There are two Homstars visible which TBC made sure were different. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 21:31, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:From what I can tell, there is an article currently at [[Mustachioed Homestar Runner]]. Perhaps a better place to voice your concerns would be the [[Talk:Mustachioed Homestar Runner|respective talk page]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:58, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Banned? ==

Have you gone mad? [[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 23:18, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:No.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:52, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::If you haven't, then why did you ban me from the IRC chat this time? Was it for inactivity? [[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 03:06, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::No, you were not banned because of inactivity. You were banned because you annoy me.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:12, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::::And how do I annoy you? [[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 23:23, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::::Seriously, man, this has gone on way too long. Please unban me. I don't even know why I annoy you. [[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 04:04, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::::::=Man, you threaten me for banishment, and you kick people off for annoying you! I'm going to report your threat to a more respected adminestrator and have you kicked off, You make me sick! In the past you have been helpful, what kind of twisted guy are you?=

==Balding Man's Living Room==

Why was that page baleeted? I thought it would be useful to create, but I guess not. Any reason why? [[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 05:04, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You'll probably want to delete the corresponding screenshot with the page; without the page it's useless. I'll go ahead and tack a tobedeleted on the screenshot. [[User:Crystallina|Crystallina]] 05:07, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Homsar999: I didn't delete the page. You can check the [[Special:Log/delete|deletion log]] to see that [[User:FireBird|FireBird]] did. [[User:Trogga|Trogga]] marked it for deletion, probably because all it contained was "Balding Man's Living Room is where Balding Man lives. It is first seen in Senorial Day. We have yet to see the rest of his house." All I did was remove the links to the page from the rest of the Wiki.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:48, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::If it's because of content, then [[Ted Kotsaftis]] might as well be deleted and un-linked, as well. [[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 03:15, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::As I mentioned earlier, I did not delete the page. Please take this up with [[User:FireBird|FireBird]] and [[User:Trogga|Trogga]]. The [[Ted Kotsaftis]] article is a stub with plenty of room to expand. Ted has worked on graphic design for [http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Ted+Kotsaftis&filter=0 several other projects]. The room the Balding Man was in doesn't have the same potential. Why do you think this article would be useful?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:30, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== More Fanstuff Sysops ==
Do you think you and the other big admins could get a fanstuff sysop nomination going for the Fanstuff Wiki? There are only two active sysops there as of right now, and they get overwhelmed occassionally. For example, someone made a page that insulted a user and had profanity in the page title alone. Although several users find about it quickly and marked if for deletion, it stayed around for about two weeks before one of the sysops found it. It took even longer for the creator of the page to be banned. So... yeah, many users think more sysops are needed. Thanks for considering this, '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''.

:Okay. Consider it done.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:15, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm a sysop! Hooray! Um, am I going to be the only new sysop, or am I supposed to set up a nominations page? -- '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]''''' 22:59, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:You're it. Good luck.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:02, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No nominations? Okay. -- '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]''''' 12:08, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Sig ==
What does <code><nowiki>[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]]</nowiki></code> do in your signature? I've wondered for a while. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:57, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:I've had that there since the very beginning, when we starting using MediaWiki back in 1.3 beta. When I leave a comment, it allows me to put my four tildes right after the period. I could figure out how to do it differently with the new features in 1.4, but I'm kind of used to it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:57, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

==Deleters==
How do you become someone who deletes useless articles? And what's a "Sysop"?

: You sorta answered your own question - sysops are the people who delete articles, as well as block abusive users. JoeyDay and Tom select the sysops, but the last time they did, all but one of the new sysops were nominated on a special page by regular users. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:06, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm not asking you, Jay. And even though you responded, you didn't answer the question! I was talking to Tom!

:Umm, yes he did answer both of your questions. The first one is answered by ''"JoeyDay and Tom select the sysops"'', and the second question with ''"sysops are the people who delete articles, as well as block abusive users"''. '''Anyone''' can answer a question set on a talk page, even if they were not the intended reciever of that comment. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 22:29, 10 June 2005 (BST)

:: It's a Wiki -- anyone can respond on any talk page. And Jay's answer is correct. To continue the answer, however, the way you get nominated / chosen for a sysop is by making significant, useful edits (like undertaking large formatting projects) and showing good judgement in both your own edits and in dealing with other wiki-users. Reverting from trolls is also a good thing to do. It only happens when the existing admins are looking for new ones, which I'm guessing won't be for quite some time. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 21:33, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Speak in English Homestar Coder!

:What part didn't you understand? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 21:39, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

All of it!

:Very sorry, but I think the problem is on your end, not mine. Maybe Babelfish would be of assistance? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 21:42, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::That's the same thing you said when I told you all the reasons I wasn't keeping your "Message Board" page. With all due respect, is ''your'' first language English? I understood Aurora just fine. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:43, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::Aurora, Venusy, and Jay are right. Sanjuro, I don't know exactly what you didn't understand about what Aurora said, but I just got and replied to your email. If there is anything you need further clarification on, do not hesitate to ask.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:45, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Tom, what is wrong with me making a Message Board like the ones on AOL, where other members can feel free to post friendly messages with other members?

And Jay, how long did it take you to realize that it was I, Sanjuro/Balmung, whom was posting these messages?

: I knew it from the start - I've been following this discussion from [[Special:Recentchanges]], where it puts your user name or IP address next to every edit you make. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:00, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:: In addition, your name is listed in the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User_talk:Tom&action=history page history] of this page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:02, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::Sanjuro, this is the Homestar Runner Wiki, a collaborative knowledge-base dedicated to collecting and organizing as much information as possible about [[Homestar Runner (Flash cartoon)|Homestar Runner]]. This is not a place for you to have a personal message board. This is not AOL. This is not your website.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:03, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I hate you Jay. So don't talk to me![[User:Sanjuro|Tim-E- Dee]] 22:05, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Look out Sanjuro, here comes the [[Heavy Lourde]]! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 22:07, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::Sanjuro, please do not edit or remove other people's comments.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:13, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Tom, Tomstiff's comment isn't reasonable and is offensive.

:Sigh. Y'all have shown remarkable patience. I'd have put the hammer down on this ... ''person'' ... long ago! My compliments! -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 22:18, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I am sick and tired of you Tomstiff.

:So telling Jay you hate him and demanding that people "Speak English!" isn't offensive? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 22:23, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::Sanjuro, I'd like to question your partiality in evaluating tomstiff's comment, when only two minutes before you expressed on this very page your hatred for another user. Wasn't your comment offensive?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:24, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::Sanjuro, my comment earlier was in no way an attempt to be offensive! It was merely an amusing way to warn you that expressing hatred towards another member of this community usually brings about a ban. If I offended you in any way, please, ''please'' forgive me! I remain, as ever, your wiki friend -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 22:28, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Don't talk to me like that Tom. I can, and will, track you down.

:Heh heh. I'm laughing at your petty threat. You better watch out, because in the past we've blocked people for threating others and making personal attacks. Consider this a formal warning.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:30, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Tomstiff, I found NOTHING amusing WHAT-SO-EVER about that comment of yours.[[User:Sanjuro|Tim-E- Dee]] 22:34, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Ooh, but ''I'' do. This is better than television. Somebody make the popcorn! Seriously, though—and I mean this with all friendliness possible—you're playing with fire here. I'm just a user, so I'm not warning you, just giving advice. Be careful. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:38, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Look, Sanjuro, you could be a great, useful Wiki-member, or you could bash, insult and threaten other members. The first would be nice, and the second will just get you banned and mocked. As Captain Planet would say, the choice is yours! (Wow, Tom, your talk page is too long, Clanky!) <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 22:43, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::OK, why is my sig appearing in a "pre" box? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 22:45, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::It sure is Aurora. I feel so loved. Oh, and it's the space after the newline.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:46, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::::Maybe you should make a talk archive like some other users do. Oh, and thanks for fixing my sig ineptness. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 22:48, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::::No way. A long talk page is the coolest. And no problem, 'twas a common hard-to-spot mistake.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:51, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::::::As long as we're all here, Tom, what did you mean yesterday when you said to hold off on the STUFF stuff? And I'm still curious about my question in the section right above this one. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

Sanjuro is obviously upset that his work, although not useful, was unceremoniously trashed. He is expressing his anger in the wrong way, in my opinion, but it's at least understandable. I think he put <code><nowiki>{{tobedeleted}}</nowiki></code> on his user page in haste. Did it have to be deleted right away? If not, is there an undelete feature? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:54, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Oh, sure, it's easy to undelete. The entire old history has been saved. I wouldn't have done it if that were not the case (mostly because I have a feeling he thinks that those comments are gone forever). <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 22:57, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::Yes, that's right. If necessary, a sysop can restore any version of any deleted page at any time. Only image deletion is permanent. However, the user in question's work on the aforementioned page was not unceremoniously trashed. It did not belong anywhere in the context of this project and was dealt with accordingly.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:59, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::Oh, and It's dot com: Would you care to join me in the [[HRWiki:IRC channel|IRC channel]] to discuss the matter of STUFF? If not, I can reply here.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:01, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::I know it was dealt with accordingly, but ''to him'' his hard work was suddenly gone. I'm not defending the page, or even the user, I'm just saying we should let him cool down before granting his request to delete his user page altogether. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:04, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::IRC, eh, Tom? I saw one o' thems once. I'll head on over there now. Aurora, are you coming? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

This website is SO AWESOME! But I think that you guys shouldtake it easy on Sanjuro. By the sound of things (from which I read) all of your comments just made him more frustrated. Watch what you type to this member, cause it just might make him even MORE frustrated.
And Aurora, Captain Planet says "The power is yours", not "The choice is yours". No offense though.

:Ah, I had a feeling I would botch that quote, hehehe. Well, my point still stands. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 23:35, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Botch? What does that mean Aurora?

:Botch = to make a mistake or ruin something. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 23:45, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

So what happened here with Sanjuro? And... Where is he?

Okay. Who is this [[User:Balmung of Azure Sky]] member?[[User:Sanjuro|Tim-E- Dee]] 23:52, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Is anyone out there?

That depends on your definition of "is"

:I'm really sorry, but just ''reading'' through all this made me tired. I think everyone involved needed to have a rest. --[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 00:01, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Okay you. Where's Tom and Aurora? Tell me NOW! Cause I aient playing no games, I mean bussiness!

I'm sorry. Your request cannot be answered at this time. Please try again later, or leave a message after the tone.

Tom, Aurora? How DARE you ignore The GREAT Sanjuro?

:They aren't online right now. Calm down. Fix some hot cocoa and take some deep breaths. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 00:36, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::Actually, I am online. Hot cocoa does sound good though. <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 00:45, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::Well ''now'' you are. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 00:47, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::::Chocolate? where? -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 00:50, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Mmmm... Hot cocoa. I haven't had some of that stuff in a LLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGGGGGG time!

Aurora? Are you still on?

== Deletion on my account please! It's too raw! ==

Yo Tom! What's up? I need you to do me a little favour. My accounts Sanjuro and Balmung? Yeah. Can you delete them? Thanks [[User:Sanjuro|Sanjuro/Balmung]] 02:42, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC) P.S. [[User:Balmung]] not to be confused with [[User:Balmung of Azure Sky]]

:Tim, after reviewing the database, I can clearly see that you currently you have three accounts:
:#[[User:Balmung]] (user_id 788)
:#[[User:Sanjuro]] (user_id 789)
:#[[User:Balmung of Azure Sky]] (user_id 2001)
:The use of [[Wikipedia:Internet sock puppet|sock puppet]] accounts is highly discouraged. However, I will not delete any of these accounts, since an accurate article edit history record must be maintained. As I'm sure you can see, the user page for the first two accounts has already been deleted per your previous request. If you would like to put any other pages up for deletion, use the <nowiki>{{tobedeleted}}</nowiki> template tag.
:I recommend that you use one and only one of those accounts from this point forward.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:32, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Sanjuro...are you also [[User:Son Goku]]? If so please don't aquire any more accounts...that aint cool man. -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 19:01, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Me? Son Goku? (L'sOL!) No way! That's my younger brother! We only have one computer that WE can use so if I'm to show him something, I have to Log Off so he can Log On!
[[User:Sanjuro|Sanjuro/Balmung]] 19:10, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hmm i ''guess'' that proves me wrong. I just thought it was odd that your little brother would sign on, create a user page then within a few seconds you correct him online...but then again i'm weird.

What do you mean Tony Stony?

Its none of my business is what I mean...I just thought it weird. Btw it is possible to sign your posts with 4 tildes. Comme ca: [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 19:25, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yeah! It looks like you're doing like in your posts! You see: ~3x Is your siggy. and ~4x Is your siggy with time of posting. A like so.
[[User:Sanjuro|Sanjuro/Balmung]] 3x...
[[User:Sanjuro|Sanjuro/Balmung]] 19:48, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC) 4x!
So much for "Three times is a charm" huh?
[[User:Sanjuro|Sanjuro/Balmung]] 19:48, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

And five displays just the date. Learn something new everyday... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} And just the date: 01:42, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== STUFF stuff ==
Afternoon, Tom. I've been busy all morning closing out old STUFF discussions. I have a little ways to go, though. Also, I wonder if we could speak more about how the page should be redesigned before anything major is done to it. Put a note on my [[User_talk:It's dot com|talk page]] and I'll meet you in the IRC. Thanks. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:35, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Sure.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:27, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm back, as promised. Are you around? I'm monitoring the IRC. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:32, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:Hey Tom. I am making good progress:
:*[[HRWiki:stuff test1|A mock-up article]]
:*[[Template:STUFF/stuff test1|The resulting STUFF subpage]]
:*[[HRWiki:Select_The_Usable_Fun_Facts/stuff_test3|The index (which will become the STUFF main page)]]
:*Plus all the templates so far

:Yet to do:
:*Organize/polish the instructions
:*Create the templates for closed facts
:*Have other users test the ease of use
:*Convert current items to new format

:The hardest part isn't figuring out how this will work. The hardest part isn't even figuring out how to streamline the process to minimize keystrokes and errors. No, the hardest part is figuring out how to explain it so that novices can understand.

:I was hoping to go live today, but I see that ''that's'' not going to happen. Now I'm hoping to go live by midweek. (Right this second, however, I'm hoping to go get some good sleep.) Let me know how you think it's going. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:07, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::Update: Getting very close now. I've just about nailed it all down. That's enough for tonight... — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:16, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::You seem like you've got everything under control. If you need me for anything specific, let me know. Good work.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:13, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The main format is ready to go live. We are in the [[HRWiki:stuff test index|public testing stage]] now. Once we work out any bugs, all that will remain will be to convert the existing facts to the new format. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 08:35, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

== Seriously. ==

Unban me from the IRC chat. --[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]][[User_talk:Homsar999|ß]] 00:05, 21 Jun 2005 (CDT)

== Admin Nomination ==

I'm sure we're not looking for any new sysops after this thing in April, but I think [[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] would be a great sysop. He seems to be working harder around here than any of us sysops anyways, and he always seems to have good judgement. I'd love to have him on the team. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 22:47, 10 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:I can't remember the specific instance, but in the last day or so I've thought to myself, "Isn't BazookaJoe an admin?", so whatever was going on at the time must have been good. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:17, 10 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::I always forget that he ''isn't'' an admin, because he uses the same "reverted from (whoever) to last version from (whoever)" message. I guess he types it in manually... {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 00:29, 11 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:::True, but he has only been around for a little over two months. There are some users that have been around significantly longer that I think are also deserving of sysopness. I do like the guy, and would be happy if he became a sysop, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Admins leave it a few months yet before opening another Nomination Window. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:46, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)

== Question ==

On the picture of you are you the one on the left or right I'm guessing you're on the right because the left one looks not happy, but it doesn't look like matt because of the hair.

:I'm in the Duck Shirt and jacket. [[Mike Chapman|Mike]] (not [[Matt Chapman|Matt]]) is in the red shirt with the scarf.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:37, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::And it isn't that Mike is unhappy... He apparently just takes [[User:DaChazman|bad pictures]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:16, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for answering my question guys, and uh that link to bad pictures looks like Matt is wearing that same shirt as the picture on this page.

:Yeah, they were taken less than five minutes apart at the [[NYU Talk - 1 Mar 2005|NYU Talk on Mar 1, 2005]]. In fact, you can actually see a bit of my head in the background of DaChazman's photo.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:57, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)

== Forum namespace ==

How come there's not a convenient external namespace for the forum? You know, so that <nowiki>[http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=XXXX] could be replaced with [[Forum:XXXX]]</nowiki>, or something similar. How's our bandwidth lookin'? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:04, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:That's not a bad idea, I'll look into that. Though you should probably remind me after next Monday. Our bandwidth is still looking, but I think we are down to the final hours here.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:04, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)

::Will do. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

:::Here is the reminder you requested. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:17, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::Done. Example: <nowiki>[[Forum:15|thread 15]]</nowiki> becomes [[Forum:15|thread 15]]. Oh, and just so I remember for next time, they are interwiki links, not namespaces.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:52, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== On the wiki ==

I'm working on the transcripts as fast as I can... what, do you think I eat, sleep, and breathe Homestar Runner... don't answer that. ;) Seriously, we're working on them. But having Mike mention that he read something on our wiki has got to be the ultimate prize for us. It's like, poring over all the crazy details that we do has, in a small but significant way, paid off. I think we should permit ourselves in this case to announce it in big, bold letters. Or at least in italics. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:12, 28 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:What?!?! Where 'bouts was this? First I've heard of it. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 03:17, 13 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::The [[animal]] commentary. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 03:19, 13 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::Yup.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:20, 13 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::Wow, awsome! Kudos to [[Special:Contributions/66.120.157.219|66.120.157.219]], the one who originally left the Compound Eyes fun fact. He never really made all that many edits, but who would have guessed it was one of the most important edits of all... {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 18:06, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Goofs vs. Typos ==

"Goofs" are mistakes TBC make; for the purposes of our discussion, ''Strong Sad'' made these mistakes. We don't note mistakes Strong Bad makes in his emails as Goofs; rather, we note them in the Remarks. Since there were enough of Strong Sad's mistakes for a whole section, I changed it to "Typos". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:07, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:I'm not really the guy who would know the difference. I only made that change for two reasons:
:#"Typos" isn't one of the ways we categorize Fun Facts. [[HRWiki:Standards#Fun Facts|Goofs is]].
:#The Francis Scott Key fact is a Goof. I knew it wasn't a typo, so I changed the header to Goofs for lack of a better choice for that particular grouping.
:That being said, the Key fact is probably the only one of the four that are currently under that header that really is a Goof. The typos by Strong Sad should probably be moved to another section. Maybe Remarks?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:35, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Goofs may be our standard category, but we are flexible enough to accomodate a special category on a toon-by-toon basis. For example, [[50_emails#Homestar.27s_attempts_at_DELETED|Homestar's attempts at Deleted]]. I think these should be grouped together since there are several of them. How about "Strong Sad's Goofs", or "Strong Sad's Mistakes", or something similar? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:42, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::I think we should ask [[User:Jay|Jay]]. He's the Keeper-Tracker.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:59, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::::I think I'll just copy the discussion from 22:42 on up over to the article's talk page. Then, everyone can have a say. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:08, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:::::Sounds good to me.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:10, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

''(see [[Talk:Strong Sad's Lament#Goofs vs. Typos|Talk:Strong Sad's Lament]] for more)''

== You are appreciated ==

I was looking over your talk page, and it's been way too long since someone wrote to tell you thanks for all the work and maintenance you put into the site. Thank you! I was propted to tell you this today when I saw that, simply by my uploading an image, you created a new template to replace the makeshift GFDL blurb I had on the image; created a new category for other existing, similar images; and then sought out those five other images that should be in the category and added the template there as well—all within the blink of an eye! I would hope that we all make the wiki experience a little better for those around us, and I must say you certainly do that. And then some. Sincerely, [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

:Hey, you're welcome. It's my pleasure.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:33, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Defacement? ==

What, did you think I made up that picture of the Trogdor beanie? I'm not that skilled with Photoshop. Check the Store before you assume defacement. ;) {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 17:59, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah. I tried to fix it but you beat me to it. Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:00, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::No probalo. I thought it was defacement too but decided to check the Store on a whim, and lo and behold... {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 18:02, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Patrolled Fanstuff ==
Hey, can you edit ''LocalSettings.php'' section of the fanstuff to get rid of those red "patrolled" explanation points in the recent changes there? We really don't need or want them. - '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''

:Before I do anything, I'd like to see the discussion that took place when deciding this. Where is it?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:20, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Oh, well that's a problem. It was on a poll on the second Fanstuff Forum, which is offline for an indefinite amount of time. (it seems that its host quit) I'll create a new poll if you want me to, but I don't think that's nessecary. But if you go there and look at the recent changes, you'll see red exclamation points as far as the eye can see. We don't use them. - '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''

:Done.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:52, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==Vugarity==
I went on the all user list page and I noticed that there were alot of vulgar term and slang. Can you clear this up Sincerly former user vile.exe

:Yeah, I'm going to have to do that. Note to self: do that soon.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:20, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)

==I'm back==
I former vandel[I was the guy who defiled trogdor and charectars a couple monthes ago thanks for unblocking me I have changed my ways don't ban me I am a good guy I swear] current editor and megaman fan [[User:Vile.exe]] have returned.Drop me a line on my talk page for proof.

:Okay.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:07, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Banned. Again. Again. ==

OK, Tom, ''please'' tell me why I am banned this time. Are you having a bad day? --[[User:Homsar999|HomsarAnnoyed]]

== Fanstuff ==

'Scuse me, but I can't get into the Fanstuff wiki. It just shows 404'd every time. What's up with that? It was working a few seconds ago... --[[User:Dinoshaur|Dinoshaur]] 18:31, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)

:Whoops. On it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:34, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)

::Fixed. [[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:46, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)

== Fanstuff wiki ==

Can you please, PLEASE, unlock the Fanstuff wiki? [[User:H*R 700|H*R 700]]

:If you bothered to check, you'd see it has already been unlocked.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:23, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, thank you. [[User:H*R 700|H*R 700]]

== FINALLY!! ==
TOM! TOM! It's over! I can edit stuff! You can remove the notice! [[User:Seek Bar|Seek Bar]]

:Did you read the notice? Have [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki:Sitenotice&oldid=143018 a look].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:30, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)

==Favourite User Award Winner==

Congrats [[User:Tom|Tom]]

''You have won the favourite user award for this week.''

'''Here is your trophy'''

[[Image:fav user awards.PNG]]

From your ''HRwiki'' friend,{{User:Pertmywert/sig}}

''If you would like to view the older winners please go'' [[User:Pertmywert/fuawinners|''here'']]''.''

== Personal JavaScript ==

I got a little curious and decided to check out your user JavaScript. What exactly does it do? I tried copying it into my own personal JS, but I didn't see any changes in the preview. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pidgeot|(e)]] 21:30, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:It duplicates the links for the tabs at the top of every page on the bottom. I think you might have to have accompanying personal CSS to style it. That should be in my user CSS somewhere.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:38, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::Judging by your CSS, it seems that way, so that would explain why I didn't see any change - thanks. --[[User:Pidgeot|Pidgeot]] [[User_talk:Pidgeot|(t)]] [[Special:Contributions/Pidgeot|(c)]] [[Special:Emailuser/Pidgeot|(e)]] 22:02, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:::No problem.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:03, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

==HI!!!==
i love u
-fhqwhgadshgnsdhjsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf

:Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:54, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::Ooooh, quite the pairing. A 35 letter name with a 3 letter name. I can see sparks flying already. Or is that just my avian thunder...?

== A thankyou ==

Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 11.2. Thanks for sorting out an embarrassing mix-up with "hide patrolled edits", and not noticing someone else had already reverted the vandalism I was trying to revert. Still trying to get the hang of this Wiki thing ;)
--[[User:Tigz|Tigz]] 22:38, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:No problem.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:12, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)

==Note from Thechamp==

Hello, Tom. My name is The champ, please forgive my past Trolling for it was my brother who commited the crime. I left the states for a month or so during this period and had no access to a comp. where I was staying in Canada. I rebuked my brother for his crimes and hope that you may forgive him, I am sory.

Sincerely,
[[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 22:10, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:Okay.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:10, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah, I am sory, again. He didn't mean any harm by talkin to the trolls, he hates it when people start skrewin with thing that people work hard on. -[[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 01:30, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

==Help, Please==
How do I add pictures to articles? -[[User:Thechamp|Thechamp]] 13:09, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:See [[Help:Editing#Images]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:19, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== I found a troll! ==
66.82.9.39 is the IP address. It was a troll in the fanstuff wiki. Battle of Homestar High. [[User:Seek Bar|DonZabu]]

:Which of [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&hideminor=0&namespace=&target=66.82.9.39&limit=100&offset=0 their edits] are you talking about?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:16, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== It was a joke, not a defacing ==

dude?

:Thechamp, I'm assuming you are referring to my recent deletion of a discussion page (Talk:No Loafing Sign) you started that simply contained "You heard um, No loafing!". Your edit was defacement. Discussion pages exist to discuss articles and their content, not for you to attempt to make jokes or be funny. As such, taking into consideration your previous behavior on the Wiki, especially your edits in the past day and your failure to heed my three direct warnings, you have been blocked from editing for ten days.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:13, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== Bannination ==
OK, can I please be unbanned from the HRWiki chat? --[[User:Homsar999|Homsar]]

== Apology ==

Hello. I am very sorry for what happened a year ago. You might not remember. But, I ruined the Commentary Transcript for Experimental Film. I just want to say that I am sorry. I used to be known as [[User:210.49.167.191|210.49.167.191]]. -[[User:mitchell00|Mitchell00]] 07:21, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:Okay.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:59, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)

==Update Marker==
Hey Tom! I was just wondering what that Update Marker is for. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 17:20, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)

:It's a new feature in [[HRWiki:Upgrade to MediaWiki 1.5|MediaWiki 1.5]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:29, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)

::Thanks. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 17:30, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)

== delete Bkmlb ==

Hi Tom! It's kind of annoying to have a period at the end of my name, so could you please delete [[User:Bkmlb]]? If I remember correctly, I think he was a troll impersonator.--{{User:Bkmlb./sig}} 17:26, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

:Done.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:30, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
::Thank you, very much.--{{User:Bkmlb./sig}} 17:31, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

== How do you... ==

How do you get on to the old wiki? {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

:What information do you need from it?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:24, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, I just wanted to check it out, if thats alright with you and JoeyDay. {{User:H*R 700/sig}} Not logged in.

:The old Wiki is not easily available. What information do you need from it?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:42, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, okay. I don't have to go there. I just wanted to see the users, and all that stuff. But, anyways, us at the fanstuff wiki want 1 of our 4 Admins, to be come a Burecrate. Most people think Rainer's the best choice. Tom, can you make one of our Admins, a Burecrate? {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

:No, not at this time.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:45, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Alright. [[User:216.55.218.23|216.55.218.23]]
:Eh, don't listen to him. :P We were just considering it; many people haven't even voiced their opinion yet. (And honestly, I never expected you to do it anyway.) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 12:59, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

== Changing Names ==

Hey, I know I bug you alot, but there always a reason. Anyways, can you make a changing names page one the Fanstuff Wiki? I want to change my name, really badly. {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

:There already is one. See [[HRFWiki:HRFWiki:Changing username]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:47, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

== Commend...a..tion? ==

I have to say that you are the man, and I would like to commend you for making your edits and changing everyone's usernames. You rock, man. --[[User:Daunrealist|daunrealist]] 19:16, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

:Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:35, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

::I'm just wondering, when do you think the next Admin nomination will be? I was thinking of nominating someone (not me), but is it annually, biannually, or what? --[[User:Daunrealist|daunrealist]] 21:06, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

:::When it's necessary.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:09, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

::::Cool. --[[User:Daunrealist|daunrealist]] 02:06, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

== April Fools Name Change ==

I know it's a while off, but I just thought I'd ask know. Would I be allowed to have my username changed for April Fools, and then have it changed back the next day? -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 06:48, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

:No.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:35, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

==What the?==
Why'd you block [[User:68.39.179.135]]? He wasn't trolling. He was just behaving a little newbish. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 22:10, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

:Because of the edits he made on [[Image talk:homestarquiz.PNG]], [[Talk:Tee Bee]], and [[Image talk:stinkogamethumb.png]]. And did I say anywhere that he was trolling?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:13, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

::That seems harsh for someone who seemed to be trying to contribute honestly. Maybe a warning about what sort of behavior is okay would have been better? {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 22:17, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

:::Unblocked. Feel free to warn.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:20, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

On the other hand, is 24 hours enough for someone who is being disruptive and should know better? ([[User:Billy Bob Bob|Billy Bob Bob]]) I was gonna block him till the weekend before Coder beat me to it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:24, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

:Cool, thanks Tom. If you want to up that ban, Ben, then that's fine with me. I just usually do 24 hours for a first offender. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 22:26, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

::Then I'll leave it like it is. But if he yells and makes personal attacks again... — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:28, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

== Invitations ==
So, what's up with these invitations-to-anonny's-to-create-accounts dealies? I love the idea; is the concept to extend indiscriminately to all except trolls, or to use in those "Whoa—that was a beneficial edit! Why is this guy an IP?" situations? I ask because [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=24.30.124.162 24.30.124.162] seems to be rather articulate and wikiliterate. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 06:39, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

:In this case, it was mostly the latter. Though I have to admit, it's not [[User talk:65.25.31.135|the]] [[User talk:69.139.163.12|first]] [[User talk:204.117.94.78|time]] I've done it.
:The person you mention there, if I'm not mistaken, is [[Wikipedia:User:Metaeducation]]. They actually caused a tiny ruckus on Wikipedia back in May 2005 that involved a HRWiki template thing. See [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/Deleted/May 2005#Template:Hrwiki]] and [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/Not deleted/June 2005#Template:Memoryalpha]] for some details. (And I wish we could still get at the conversation found at [[Wikipedia:Special:Undelete/Template talk:Hrwiki|Template talk:Hrwiki]] where Joey and I questioned the template, but we can't.)[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:59, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
::Holy cow. So does the fact that the template doesn't exist mean it ''was'' deleted? And are we a sister wiki? Meanwhile, is inviting anonnys strictly a sysop thing, or can anyone? —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:17, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

:::Yes, the Hrwiki template was deleted, the link is for the discussion that occured prior to its deletion. The Memoryalpha one was not, that is the discussion that occured prior to the decision to keep. We are not a sister wiki to Wikipedia. We have nothing to do with the [[Wikipedia:Wikimedia|Wikimedia Foundation]] or any of its projects. Our Wiki runs on the same software, [[Wikipedia:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]], but that's pretty much where it ends. As for inviting, it's a wiki, I encourage you to '''be bold'''.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:47, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

== 64.9.51.190 ==

Hey, Tom. I was just wondering why you ended up blocking IP 64.9.51.190. I looked at what happened, and it turns out that his addition to [[H*R.com updates]] was correct. There is a new quote, fan stuff, and sketch book. You probably found or saw something that I didn't, so you probably have a very legitement reason. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 21:49, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

:Fixed already. Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:50, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

::I kept reverting his work 'cause in my eyes I didn't think that we'd need that on there. Plus he kept on changing it. -- [[User:Sanjuro|Sanjuro/Balmung]]

:::But that page is our listing of all Homestar Runner updates, why wouldn't what he added belong there?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:23, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

== I can't find the IRC chat... ==

Where's it at?
[[User:Sanjuro|Sanjuro/Balmung]]

:Please see [[HRWiki:IRC channel]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:24, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
::Thanks man. -- [[User:Sanjuro|Sanjuro/Balmung]]

==Emails==
just wondering, what were the context of the emails that RHRN sent you? {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:52, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

:Nah, it's not worth it.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:57, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Something tells me that I should be thanking you for that. A lot. Thanks anyway. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 00:59, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

== unlocking uploading ==

Okay Tom, here's my problem. I am a bureaucrat at the [http://ebwiki.spoonybard.com/index.php?title=Main_Page Eskimo Bob Wiki] and we just moved to new software. The uploading is locked. How do I unlock it?--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 12:46, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, we need to know soon. Theres alot of blank images, and we REALLY need to fix that. {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

::Who upgraded the software? Did they reconfigure LocalSettings.php correctly? And the directions for enabling uploads can [[MetaWikipedia:LocalSettings.php#Image_Uploads|found in the User's Guide]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:43, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

:::Pertmywert owns the wiki. He upgraded it. So, does that mean you'll have to ask him about it? {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

::::If Pertmywert is the only one with access to the files on the server, then yes. He needs to modify one line of his LocalSettings.php file to allow uploads. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:19, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

:::::Okay. I'll alert him ASAP. {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

::::::Also note that the upgrade instructions exist as [http://ebwiki.spoonybard.com/UPGRADE part of the archive that Pertmywert uploaded].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:36, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

== Bureaucrat rights ==

Hello Tom! It's me again, the guy who always bugs you for help. I need to know all about Bureaucrat rights. Since, I am a Bureaucrat at [[User:Pertmywert|Pertmywert's]] [http://ebwiki.spoonybard.com/index.php?title=Main_Page Eskimo Bob Wiki]... {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

:Please read [[MetaWikiPedia:Setting user rights in MediaWiki#bureaucrat|the documentation]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:52, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Okay. So, I can't unlock/lock the Database? {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

:Did you read the page? [[MetaWikiPedia:Setting user rights in MediaWiki#developer|Try reading it again]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:00, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh, thanks for showing me that, Tom. I'll remember that. By the way, I know you a Developer and all that, but you should archive this. {{User:H*R 700/sig}}

:Thanks for your consideration. I'll keep your suggestion in mind.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:11, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

== Um... ==

Why am I banned from #hrwiki? Was I trolling or something? --[[User:Thatkidsam|Thatkidsam]] 16:52, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

:What's your IRC username? What's your IP address? What did you do to get banned from the channel? Are you sure you're banned, or are you just getting errors when you try to connect?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:18, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

:I usually go by thatkidsa [sic]. My IP is 72.145.188.197. I only went on there twice, and the only thing I might have done that angered people is... Having little knowledge of the IRC code 'n such. And I'm pretty sure I'm banned... --Thatkidsam (NLI) 21:03, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

<blockquote>#hrwiki You're banned from that channel</blockquote>

::Okay, you should be good now. There was a fairly broad ban in there that you got caught up in.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:02, 6 November 2005 (UTC).

== Question about the bad_image_list problem ==

I'm a contributor over on another wiki and I was wondering how you solved the problem discussed on [[HRWiki_talk:Upgrade_to_MediaWiki_1.5#Database error]]. It's happening on ours and Google, the MediaWiki site, and the MW Bugzilla haven't yielded any info. But, it Google did link to that talk page. Any info you can provide will help. Thanks. --[[User:68.142.13.101|68.142.13.101]] 03:50, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

:Hi there. Drop me an email at [mailto:tom@hrwiki.org tom@hrwiki.org] and I'll give you all of the details.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 05:14, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

== Fanstuff ==
Can you, um, temporarily lockdown the Fanstuff WIki? Quick? The apocalypse is happening... or at least the same problem that struck this place a few days back. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:46, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, because the fanstuff is about to be virtually DESTROYED!! - {{Stinkoman K/Sig}} 02:55, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Dangit! I thought nobody was there so I trolled the mainpage under the name of Michely00 for some reason. So ban me when ever you get this problem sorted out. Please. {{User:Bassium!/sig} P.S. If I am banned I will reside at the Porple Montage wiki.

:New-user registration and anonymous editing have been disabled. Please leave your pants in the on and upright position. Thank you.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 04:07, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Why come? Too many WikiTrolls? o.o; [[User: Kiwi|I don't get it]]

:More information is available on the [[HRFWiki:HRFWiki:Big Old Tree/NSMC Troll: Anyone can help!|fanstuff wiki]].[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:32, 15 November 2005 (UTC)
Can you... um... help again? The trolls attacking with the 3000+ accounts he had created. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:03, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
:Yeahhhhhh, sorry to bug you again, but we really need it. I say kill them at the source. {{User:H*R 700/sig}} 02:20, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

::I've got my best men working on it 'round the clock.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 05:10, 17 November 2005 (UTC)
:Who keeps on allowing new user registration on the Fanstuff Wiki?! He keeps on allowing the NSMC bot to attack again and again!! Ugh, it's so annoying... it should be in lockdown until you find out how to stop him for good. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 13:10, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
::Yeah, seriously. I wish there was something that would appear in the Recent Changes that would tell us if something like this was enebled or disabled. But, whatever. It's up to you guys. Oh, and also, why is there a User Creation Log? {{User:H*R 700/sig}} 13:31, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

:::The User Creation Log is useful for tracking if a bot or other vandal creates multiple accounts. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

:::But it gets annoying during very large troll attacks such as this. Man, I wish more sysops were on! --[[User:Color Printer|Color]] [[User talk:Color Printer|Printer]] 13:48, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

:::I just wish there were more sysops! {{User:H*R 700/sig}} 18:18, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

::::Joshua: I keep allowing new-user registration and anonymous edits on the fanstuff wiki. With your proposed solution, how am I supposed to know if something is stopping the vandal "for good" if registration is still locked down?
::::H*R 700: Check the sitenotice that appears on every single page of the wiki. It will let you know if new-user registration and anonymous editing are disabled.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:08, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:::::I understand, but the Fanstuff Wiki is tiring of being this wiki's guinea pig. I understand that this wiki is more important than it, but this is the FOURTH consecutive attack, the second of which is due to being tested upon. More and more troll accounts are being created, and then there's all the troll edits, which bots can't seem to revert. Here there are hundreds of active users to revert problems, but in the fanstuff wiki the number's closer to forty. Several users are becoming dishearted even to the point of leaving because of having to revert pages again and again and again due to all these attacks. Is there any other way? I'm not sure if the Fanstuff Wiki can survive many more attacks. :/ - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 22:48, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::What would you like me to do? What's your solution? I have absolutely no problem at all taking the fanstuff wiki offline completely. Would that be acceptable?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:00, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

::I wouldn't normaly say this, but if that's what you have to do, do it soon. I can't stand anymore of this crap. {{User:H*R 700/sig}} 23:13, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

:::Temporarily or forever? And what would that solve? (And taking it off forever is not acceptable - too many users love the Fanstuff Wiki.) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:14, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

It would probably only be temporay (Er, however you spell it). Okay, I have a dumb idea; How about if we get some kind og supream hacker to hack the NSMC bot and shut it down or something? Trust me, we may not know how to do it, but if we got a supream hacker, then we'll be going somewhere. {{User:H*R 700/sig}} 23:17, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
::Here's the problem: when you test it, he usually attacks when no bureaucrats are online to stop him. So here's an idea: when you want to test something, enable new users and stuff for a little bit and then DUPLICATE the effects of the troll (without all the damage) and see what happens. When your done and you have your results, disable the new users again. That way the Fanstuff Wiki won't be prone with no bureaucrats online. Um... only if you can duplicate his attacks, that is. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:18, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

:Er, I didn't understand that. {{User:H*R 700/sig}} 23:19, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Wait a minute, it appears Tom has a souloution. Check the Wiki. {{User:H*R 700/sig}} 23:24, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

What does "trusted" mean as a user group?--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 23:35, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:It probably means you'll be safe when Tom obliberates (or just blocks :P) the non-trusted. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:39, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
::...or they could be getting temporary sysop powers... - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:42, 23 November 2005 (UTC)
:::All editing was suspended below the sysop level. To enable other users to revert, the "trusted" group was created until all the vandal usernames have been blocked. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:47, 23 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi, I'm user homestarmy from the fanstuff, and I'd like to be added to the trusted group to help revert pages! Thanks - [[HRFWIKI:User:Homestarmy|Homestarmy]]
:Done. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

===Status report===
*All malicious usernames from yesterday have been blocked infinitely.
*Logged-in editing by general users has been restored.
— [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 12:59, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

:Okay then, so...now that we have it temporarily on lockdown, when will people able to create new accounts again? Because I really wanted to create and fanstuff account, but I can't. {{User:Teh_Frossty_One/sig}} 19:51, 4 December 2005 (UTC)

::New accounts will be enabled as soon as possible.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:29, 5 December 2005 (UTC)

== NYU Talk ==

Hey since you were there do you know where I can find a copy of the NYU Talk? I really wished it could see it. [[User:NOT Billy Bob Bob|NOT Billy Bob Bob]] 20:44, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

:See the [[NYU Talk - 1 Mar 2005]] article. The entire presentation is transcribed there.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:13, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

==Hola==
I figured that it would be cool to say hi to you since you're the big administrator of the site, so I guess that I just did.--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 22:29, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

:Hi.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:11, 8 December 2005 (UTC)

==Query==

I have a question: Why is new user registration and anonymous editing still disabled? I think that the NSMC troll is pretty much in the past.--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 19:46, 10 December 2005 (UTC)

:New-user registration, anonymous editing, and all MediaWiki email features have been temporarily disabled because of a vandal. Why do you think that the vandalism is "in the past"? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:09, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

::I just thought that the NSMC troll would have gotten the message and backed down. That's all. I was also thinking that since there are new people discovering this site every day it would be good for them to be able to contribute and have their say on things.--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 22:52, 15 December 2005 (UTC)

:::Okay. Thank you for your concern. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:40, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

==kinda weird...==
I was wondering, why do you sign your posts with: <nowiki>[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]]</nowiki>? can't you just sign it as <nowiki>[[User:Tom|Tom]]</nowiki>? {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 05:51, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

:See [[#Sig]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:09, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
::Ah, I see. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 23:32, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

== Just a thought ==

<s>Do you ever scan around on user pages to say hi to people or are your duties mainly keeping the site on track and awesome?--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 17:43, 16 December 2005 (UTC)</s>

:No. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:57, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

== Just a thought ==

<s>Do you ever scan around on user pages to say hi to people or are your duties mainly keeping the site on track and awesome? I'm asking because I have never seen your sig on anybody's guestbooks.--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 17:44, 16 December 2005 (UTC)</s>

:No. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:57, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

::Sorry. Posting error. See below. {{unsigned|Homsarroks|18:00, 16 December 2005 (UTC)}}

== Just a thought ==

Do you ever scan around on user pages to say hi to people or are your duties mainly keeping the site on track and awesome? I'm asking because I have never seen your sig on anybody's guestbook. Also, did you start this wiki or are you just a major contributer?--{{User:Homsarroks/sig}} 17:44, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

:No. And no. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:57, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

== HRWiki Tour ==
This has been suggested elsewhere, but so far has been ignored by anyone in power. I asked JoeyDay, but he then decided to take a vacation. Then It's Dot Com, but he ignored it. So, let's see if someone will listen to the suggestion here.

A few people think that the [[HRWiki:Tour]], which currently has no solid page linking to it, should be the third tab in [[HRWiki:Introduction]]. Do you agree? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 16:53, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

:I didn't ignore it. In fact, I already replied at the only place there should be a discussion: namely, the [[HRWiki_talk:Tour#Location|tour talk page]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:53, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

::I didn't ignore it either. I've been following the progress of the discussion, and didn't feel I needed to comment. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:00, 20 December 2005 (UTC)

== E-mail Features ==
Annony editing and new account creation are up, but what about the e-mail features? They still don't appear to be working. Is this intentional, or an oversight? -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 10:58, 29 December 2005 (UTC)
:It's Dot Com says that they aren't quite ready yet. They'll be working with a Catchpa system soon. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 13:11, 29 December 2005 (UTC)

==IRC==

I have a quick question, would you be able to come to the IRC channel for a second? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 20:51, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

:Sure. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:55, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

== Appreciation ==

Hey Tom! I just wanted to tell you that I appreciate what you and the other sysops do for the wiki. I know if it was not for you guys, thw Wiki would not be what it is now. I just want to say thank you! [[User:70.153.100.100|70.153.100.100]] 21:07, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

:You're very welcome. It's my pleasure. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 01:32, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

== Wikipedia ==

Hey Tom it's me. I haven't been on for a while so I'm sorta lost. Where's the Wikipedia at? I need to look up that "F-Zero's 'All your Base Are Belong to Us'" thing again.
~~{{unsigned|Sanjuro|23:58, 1 January 2006 (UTC)}}

:[http://en.wikipedia.org http://en.wikipedia.org]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 07:04, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks pal. And Happy New Year! [[User:Sanjuro|Sanjuro/Balmung]]

== I think you may have accidentally gotten rid of the updates ==

Hey Tom it's I. A while ago I posted the new updates, and now they aren't there anymore, and it said you blocked me. --[[User:216.120.190.119|216.120.190.119]]

:Care to explain how "URI changed (may take a while for browser to detect DNS settings)." works? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:09, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

::I dunno, I heard it on TV I think. [[User:216.120.190.119|216.120.190.119]]

:::Thanks, that clears that up. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:11, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

::::Good, I was hoping that would clear things up, now everything's fine, right? Thank me later. --[[User:216.120.190.119|216.120.190.119]]

:::::No, that cleared up for me the fact that you were actually defacing the page. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:28, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

==Guestbook==
Make a Guestbook.{{User:The thing/sig}} 22:46, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

<pre>
==Guestbook==

If you go on this page sign here


</pre>

:The thing, this is spam. Do not do it again. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:01, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

::OK{{User:The thing/sig}}14:50, 7 January 2006 (UTC)~

==Apologizing==

Hi there, Tom. I replied to your message about my edit summary, but you didn't reply back. So I decided to reply here. I just want to apologize for the language. And sorry it took a while to reply to you. I had an emergency that kept me from replying. I just want you to know that it won't happen again. Anyway, sorry about it. [[User:Happy|Happy]] 21:58, 6 January 2006 (EST)

:Okay. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 03:02, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

== Username redirect ==

Hi Tom, while JoeyDay is out, I'm asking you this: Can I have a userpage redirect to mine? I was thinking about [[User:Elcool]], because my freinds sometimes look for me on the wiki, not by my correct name. Some other users could use a redirect with common misspellings. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 13:23, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
:It's not unheard of... [[User:Thunderbird]] redirects to [[User:Thunderbird L17]]'s page, although I dunno if he got permission for that. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::E.L. Cool, this leads to an interesting line of thought. We could take this in two directions:
::#We do not allow users to have redirects from common misspellings etc. to their correct username. We never have allowed someone to have "two" userspaces, and this would go along with that semi-policy. Then, someone comes along and registers [[User:Elcool]] and starts making edits. Someone like [[User:It's dot com]] or myself would then approach this user and ask that they choose a new name, since the one they chose is too close to the existing user [[User:E.L. Cool]]. (This comes to mind because it happened [[User talk:It's dot org|quite recently]].) Then I suppose we'd block the [[User:Elcool]] account so it wouldn't happen again. At that point, if you came and asked if you could have that page redirect to your own, I don't think I'd be able to say "no".
::#We do allow users to have redirects from common misspellings etc. to their correct username. We'd probably want to set up a process for this, however, because if people just started doing this willy-nilly, we might get people registering for usernames that were already redirects. We'd want to make sure what ever names were redirected where blocked as well.
::I also don't think I'd want this to become a normal thing, where everyone and their grandmother goes and thinks of all the possible permutations of their username and then goes and makes dozens of redirects. I don't think it's altogether too common that this kind of thing would happen.
::DorianGray, the redirect you bring up has a different intent associated with [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Thunderbird&action=history its history], and at this point is an exception.
::So at this point, hold off on doing anything for a while. I'm going to want to get Ben's input on how we should handle it, but as of right now, it looks like it could happen. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:05, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Yeah, sure. I wasn't even thinking of making it informal. Just make it like the Username Change page where people will ask before they do something. And ok, I'll hold. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:17, 7 January 2006 (UTC)
::::(comment only): I think Thunderbird registered the name [[User:Thunderbird|Thunderbird]] before he did that. [[User:Ed smildE|Ed smilde]]/[[User talk:Ed smildE|talk]]
:::::I have pondered similar issues to this one in the past. I am open to the idea, although I agree that to just turn everybody loose would not be the best course to take. For one thing, I don't like having user pages that don't correspond to a username in the database. I would like to consider how the problem might be solved elegantly (along the lines of a Special page or something) versus creating and blocking usernames that will never be used. Let me think on it and I'll tell you what I come up with. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:04, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

== Robots.txt ==
You seem to be the senior sysop around here (I think), so while JoeyDay isn't here, I'll ask you instead.

The Robots.txt file at http://hrwiki.org/robots.txt has this:
User-agent: *
Disallow: /index.php/HRWiki:Sandbox
...which disallows just the Sandbox. However, the Robots.txt file at http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/robots.txt has this:
User-agent: *
Disallow: /
...which disallows everything. Why is this? Can you change it? -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 07:11, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

:It's like that because we (The Admins) do not want the fanstuff wiki indexed by anything. And sorry, but no we aren't going to change it. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 12:32, 8 January 2006 (UTC)
::Why don't the admins want it indexed? -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 12:43, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

:::The primary reason is so that it doesn't show up in search engines. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:12, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

::::...and why don't the admins want it showing up in search engines? -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 16:13, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::Because it isn't built on strictly canon material. In other words, the knowledge base documents and adheres as closely as possible to the cartoons and concepts found on H*R.com as written by TBC, whereas any fanstuff is by definition made up by somebody other than TBC. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:20, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

::::::What does that have to with the Fanstuff showing up in search engines? -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 17:15, 8 January 2006 (UTC)

:::::::[[User:It's dot com]] is correct, but the reasoning behind our decision was slightly different. The fanstuff wiki was only created to appease a small minority that wanted fanstuff brought back after we decided not to bring it back when we moved to MediaWiki. The Admins didn't want the fanstuff wiki, but relented due to what I can only call persistent whining. One of the conditions of our creating fanstuff was to make sure that search engines did not index it. This was for two reasons:
:::::::#We are very protective of the HRWiki name. We do not administer fanstuff closely enough to control the quality of the content.
:::::::#And as It's dot com mentioned, we don't want anyone searching for actual Homestar Runner knowledge to be confused with what they find there.
::::::: -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 05:20, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

== Bot-assisted stuff ==

Would you be able to change all links from [[Stinkoman 20X6 Enemies and Items]] to [[Stinkoman 20X6 Enemies and Items]]? When I moved the page, there were a lot of double redirects left behind. -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 12:07, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

:Hmm, looks like you took care of it. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 16:41, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

== NSMC Accounts ==

Could you please clear out the NSMC accounts at the Fanstuff? -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 04:10, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

:We can't. Doing that would leave holes in the edit histories, among other things. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 07:21, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

:<s>Could you at least clear them from [[HRFWiki:Special:Listusers|Special:Listusers]]? -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 14:54, 11 January 2006 (UTC)</s>
::I don't think that's possible. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 15:01, 11 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Umm... ignore that. My bad. -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 15:04, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

== Sorry ==

Sorry for hurting your feelings, man. I just couldn't tell that the censored version was on the page, and Marth 99 said it wasn't - though he could've been commenting on a point where the suggestive one was the article's image. I didn't mean to offend you, I just treat everyone like that. Oh, and sorry I threw that first cake at Strong Sad. Peace.

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== Strongbadia -> Strong Badia ==

Could your bot thingy please change instances of "Strongbadia" to "Strong Badia"? -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 01:43, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

:Bot requests should be made on the bot's [[User talk:GrapeNuts|talk page]]. But now that I check, it looks like the request [[User talk:GrapeNuts#Strongbadia --.3E Strong Badia|has already been made]]. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:32, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

== ____you should archive this page because it takes forever to scroll down the whole way ==
____long pages should be archived

____this page takes a really long time to scroll down

____it takes a long time to scroll down this page

____this page is very long

____this page should be archived because it is long

____this page also takes a long time to scroll down because it is very long

____you should archive this page

____archiving pages make pages shorter

____if you archive this page it will be shorter

____if you archive this page it will take less time to scroll down.

____it has come to my attention that this page should be archived.

--17:04, 17 January 2006 (UTC)17:04, 17 January 2006 (UTC)17:04, 17 January 2006
(UTC)[[User:216.120.190.165|216.120.190.165]] 17:04, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

:I'm a bit confused here. Is this some kind of code? I think I understand your message, but I'm curious why you typed it like this. Could you please explain? Thanks. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:29, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

________This is some kind of code.

________I am a native speaker of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English English], so I may be new to this wiki language.

________I also speak jbrrsh, but wikipedia doesn't have an article on it.

________I can speak jbrrsh if you want me to.

________Do you want me to speak jbrrsh?

________Eikn kcayce eiyuu ouan't maee tdoo cepeeke ein jbrrsh, ehjerre izzthuh kuweschun ein jbrrsh.

________dyouu eiyuu ouan't maee tdoo cepeeke ein jbrrsh.

________eiyuu kcann annscir tvhis kuweschun ein ieetvhur aynglisch owr jbrrsh.

________I typed it this way because I am a native speaker of English but I can speak in jbrrsh too.

________For more information on English, you can go to the wikipedia article at [[Wikipedia:English]]

____________For information or if you need help on the information for archiving information then you can contact me or someone who's an administrator here (I don't know who they are).

:First of all, Tom ''is'' an administrator here, and I'm sure he's fully aware of how he could archive his user page. It's not lack of knowledge; it's just a personal decision on his part, which he's free to make since his [[HRWiki:User space|user space]] belongs to him. Second, if you just learned how to use the Home and End keys you probably wouldn't find this so inconvenient. — {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 16:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
::Wow! Home and end keys! I never actually never thought of using those, they were always just the keys in the middle of the "seldom used" block of keys. I suppose you learn something new everyday. Thanks for the tip. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:43, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
:::thunderbird, you seem to benefit from, well.....everything. it's kind of strange. [[User:Thatkidyoualllove|Thatkidyoualllove]] 15:03, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

== Whoa! ==

Kewl you were one of the first people on the wiki! --{{User:The thing/sig}} 17:21, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

:Yes. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 06:17, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

== MediaWiki Software Related Stuff ==
Two things:
#Do you know how the New Messages bug was solved? I'm having the same problem on a wiki I own.
#I had a discussion on #mediawiki with [[Wikipedia:User:Robchurch|Robchurch]] about deleting users. Here's the main part of the conversation:
<blockquote>
<Super_Sam> If you have database access to a wiki, it is possible to delete usernames? 
<robchurch> In theory. 
<robchurch> You can delete users without too many repurcussions. 
<Super_Sam> What about gaps in the history? 
<robchurch> Well, the users will still be credited for the edits. 
<Super_Sam> So, under history it'll show the user, but the user won't actually exist.
</blockquote>
I proceeded to test it out on my wiki (which also uses MediaWiki 1.5). By deleting the user from the "user" table, the user was effectively deleted (couldn't log in and no longer in the list of users), while edits by that user remained in history (including block logs). However, the user remained in [[Special:Ipblocklist]] until they were also deleted from the "ipblock" table. This method should also work for the NSMC accounts.

{{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 07:51, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

:Hey Super Sam. Yeah, I would like to clean all that garbage out. I'm going to do a couple of other maintenance things before I delete all the usernames. I hope to be able to get to it in the next couple of days. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:06, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
::{{done}} Fanstuff is done. See [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special:Listusers&limit=700&offset=0 this] and [[HRFWiki:Special:Ipblocklist|this]].
::{{todo}} Knowledge base is next. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:02, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

== Is this your job? ==

Hey Tom, I hope I'm not being nosy but, is what you do on the Wiki your job? Is this how you make your living. Well, I asked because I here you contribute to this Wiki a lot. Thanks! [[User:68.155.22.62|68.155.22.62]] 01:55, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
:Oh, man, wouldn't ''that'' be nice! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:20, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
::That would be a great job, but no. Any money that comes to the wiki through [[HRWiki:Donations|donations]] goes directly to keeping this site online. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 02:23, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
:Using someone else's copyrighted work to earn money without permission is a big legal ''no''. Nice thought, though. XD - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:52, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

== Inquiry ==

Hey Tom, how are you? Would you happen to know anything about [[Category talk:Character Evolution|this]] apparent bug? Thanks! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:22, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

:I'm good, thanks. And it looks like Ben has taken care of your issue there. Nicely done. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:28, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

== Wow. Archiving assistance needed immediately. ==
I know you can do whatever you want with your talk page, but I suggest you archive it. All the other sysops have done it, and they look great. I know people have been bugging you about this, but I ''really'' suggest it. People would love it. Thanks. {{User:Seriously/sig}}

:Thanks for your consideration. I'll keep your suggestion in mind. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:29, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

== Just a heads up ==
Um, a while ago a user named ohW .rD (Dr. who as a different user) started vandalizing a lot of pages. Not a ''single'' sysop was there. Me and [[User: The thing|The thing]] fought it off, but I don't believe it ever got blocked. Can you block him permanently to make sure this doesn't happen again? Thnaks. {{User: Seriously/sig}} 23:43, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
:Thank you for being vigilant while the wiki was under attack. You join the ranks of a long line of members (including myself) who have had the (mis)fortune to encounter a vandal in the early hours of the day or night when no sysop was around. Keep on tranglin'! Incidentally, feel free to [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=block&page=User%3AOhW+.rD check the block log] before posting. Cheers! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:57, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
::Aw, thank you, comster. That's probably the first time I've been complimented on something page-related and not user-related. Just a sign that I only hang around this place for the cool users.....{{User: Seriously/sig}} 00:02, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

== Archive ==

WHOA! Make a talk archive! --{{User:The thing/sig}} 23:45, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

:See the discussion two headlines above. Also, tom has been pestered with these comments more than Strong Bad has been asked how do you type with boxing gloves on. It's up to him, so in the meantime I'm thinkin' we should just stop pestering him. {{User: Seriously/sig}} 23:51, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

::Arise, my minions! We must poke Tom until he archives! *poke* *poke* *poke* *poke* *poke* - {{User:Joshua/sig}}

:::pokepokepoke...{{User: Seriously/sig}} 00:16, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

::::Pokemon {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:17, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

:::::Okay, stop. Tom doesn't need to be harasssed like this. Either he will archive or he won't, but your poking him will not have the effect you desire. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:19, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

::::::Aw......{{User: Seriously/sig}}

:::::::LET'S POKE USER:IT'S DOT COM WHOS WITH ME! --{{User:The thing/sig}} 00:21, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

::::::::No way, that's going overboard. {{User: Seriously/sig}} 00:25, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::But I will poke Tom! *poke* *poke* *poke* For all you people who think this talk page is large, [[HRFWiki:User:Super Sam/Joshua Talk|prepare to use several gigabytes of bandwidth]]. - {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 00:25, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

::::::::::WHOA! That is not a small number! {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:56, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

:::::::::::Jeez, guys. My poking was a joke. Why'd you go ruin it by taking it seriously? -_- (Feel free to stare at all of my awesome talk page, though.) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 01:28, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

::::::::::::Thank you all for your consideration. I'll keep your suggestion in mind. Also, I suggest that in the future when someone tells you to stop harassing another user that you actually stop harassing them. Thanks. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:31, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

== Mirror ==
Hello Tom. [[Talk:Scroll Button Songs#HRWiki Mirror|This discussion]] could use your admin attention. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 15:39, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

:Noted. Thanks. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:56, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

== Help-Policy ==

Hey Tom, I wanted to ask you about [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Category:HRWiki_Policy&diff=266540&oldid=246251 this edit]. The reason I had made the [[:Category:HRWiki_Policy|Policy category]] a subcategory of the [[:Category:Help|help category]] was that I wanted users who were browsing the Help category to be able to see the Policy category and browse its contents right away. I reasoned that having the Policy Category have greater visibility would be preferable (even if no one reads anything really). --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:09, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

:The [[:Category:HRWiki_Policy|Policy category]] is a subcategory of the [[:Category:HRWiki Maintenance|HRWiki Maintenance category]]. The [[:Category:Help|Help category]] is also a subcategory of the HRWiki Maintenance category. The Help category shouldn't be a subcategory of a subcategory that's in the same category as it (the Help category) is in. In other words, we want HRWiki Maintenance --> Policy and HRWiki Maintenance --> Help and not HRWiki Maintenance --> Help and HRWiki Maintenance --> Policy --> Help. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:02, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

::My original idea was that the Policy Category be a subcategory of Help, not the other way around. So we'd have RWiki Maintenance --> Policy and HRWiki Maintenance --> Help --> Policy, so that anyone browsing help can see policy and (hopefully) decide to browse through it as well. But it's really not that an important of a detail. Thanks! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 18:13, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

== Mirror: ==

Remember how you asked me on IRC to list all the files we mirror from other sites? Well, [[User:E.L. Cool/mirrorlist|it's done]]. I also took the time to change all the local mirror links to the one with the Mirror: prefix. The QotW page almost took me 20 minutes! But that's not important. Everything for the wiki. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 18:01, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

== Howdy, Tom ==

Long time no see.

This wiki sure has gotten pop-you-lar.

-[[User:Jweb Guru|Jweb Guru]] 15:36, 26 February 2006 (UTC)