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Noclip — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 16:26:26 GMT

Noclip: /**/concert Shaun of the Dead reference

== Welcome! ==
Hey, '''{{PAGENAME}}''', welcome to the Homestar Runner Wiki! We can always use new registered users around here, so I'm glad you're on. A word of warning, though: Before you do any major editing, you'll want to read up on [[HRWiki:Standards|our editing standards]]. And if this is the first [[Wikipedia:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] based wiki (or first wiki) you've used check out [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Index the MediaWiki User's Guide], or for quick reference, our [[Help:Editing]] page. If you have any questions that aren't answered on [[HRWiki:FAQ|our FAQ]], post them on [[HRWiki talk:FAQ|its talk page]], or you can [[User talk:ACupOfCoffee|ask me directly]]. Most people here are pretty good about [[Meatball:AssumeStupidityNotMalice|assuming stupidity [read: ignorance] rather than malice]] One last thing — always sign posts on talk pages with this: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> (it's an automatic signature and timestamp).
{{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 06:22, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

== Show Preview ==

DaFender, meet Show Preview. Show Preview, DaFender. Hey, this button allows you to see edits without having to actually save, so [[Special:Recentchanges|Recent Changes]] doesn't get flooded. Try it, you'll love it. Your money back if not satisfied! {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:49, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

== reply ==

Its O.K Dan, I'm just new. I'd like to become your friend. [[User:Sam the Man|Sam the Man]] 15:11, 3/9/07

== Not getting the first time ==

Regarding {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=unnatural&curid=31706&diff=429739&oldid=429737 this edit summary}}, no, the anonny may not have any idea why his or her edit disappeared, since new users aren't always aware of the list of recent changes and article histories. Incidentally, there is currently an item in [[HRWiki:STUFF|STUFF]] that discusses what to do with links to portmanteaus. It looks like a version with a link to the page (but which does not explain the joke) is going to win out. Talk atcha later. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:42, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
:Fine, thanks for the clarification. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC) P.S. I'm having a bit of trouble learning to have patience for anonnies and newbies. I realize this, I apologize, and I will try harder to keep my patience in the future.

== Userbox ==

What's up? Well, I just noticed, your page doesn't have a userbox. I recomend that you might want to have one. It can explain a lot about you. And they're fun too. Just a friendly notice from {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}
:Happy now? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:40, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

== Hey Dude. ==

Hi there.
I tired to add this to the Senor Cardgage page.

Comparisons can be drawn between Senor Cardgage and real life furniture salesman Mark Norton known for his odd ball late night television advertisements. Usually seen between the hours of 1 and 3 A.M. on the Cleveland FOX affiliate which broadcasts into the Ohio, Indiana, Michigan, And South Eastern Ontario regions.

And you seem to have taken it down...
I apologize if what I added was in any way problematic, I realize I had used some incorrect punctuation and as such was about to fix that when then I noticed the original edit had been taken down. I mostly wanted to highlight the Indiana connection with the Chaps and the possibility that the commercials might have been an influence on the character since they did reside in Indiana for a time. They (the commercials) are now available on You Tube and this has already been the topic of some speculation.
Hope I haven’t inconvenienced you in any way.
Cheers.
Steve.
:I removed it because I felt that such a comparison was [[TTATOT]]. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 05:54, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Tis true but you might want to check the comercial out before you say that... I Remeber when I first saw one in 2004 it was pretty much the first thing that jumped to mind. Beware what lies within is not for the faint of heart...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqmht0YVcJQ

:Hey there, Taproots85, and welcome to the wiki! I can see the similarity between Senor Cardgage and that guy (though I'm not sure it's intended). Actually, somebody started a discussion about this [[Talk:Senor Cardgage#Senor based on this guy?|here]] — that would be a good place to discuss it, and if there's consensus in favor of the fact, it can then be added to the article. Welcome again! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:09, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

thanks Trey,
love the monicker by the way
though I'm more of a Fish man. (no pun intended)

:You're the first one I've come across who knows what my name is referring to :) {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:16, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

::Why is all of this going on on MY talk page? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 06:18, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

:::Sorry about that — I was considering moving some of it, but I couldn't think of how to divide it up so that both parts made sense. Okay, we're done :) Laters, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:19, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

== Yo ==

You need a signature. It's cool. It's just a suggestion and you don't have to do it. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}}

== Da Iron Cup Award! ==

[[Image:Iron cup of Brunswick Stew.jpg|thumb]]
Hey, Defender1031. I saw you've been making tons of good edits, like creating [[Showering]] and [[Sugar]]. So, I wanted to award you (drumroll...) '''THE IRON CUP OF BRUNSWICK STEW'''.
<blockquote>This award, the first on HRWiki, is given to recognize good contributions and to let people know that their hard work is seen and appreciated. It was given to [[The Cheat]] by [[Strong Bad]] for his good work on [[New Boots]].</blockquote>
Keep up the awesome work, Defender1031! {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 21:19, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

== Edit summaries ==

I'd like to ask you to consider taking a softer tone in your edit summaries. [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Halloween_Potion-ma-jig&diff=prev&oldid=443317 This], for example, is really biting an annonies (you may want to see [[Wikipedia:WP:BITE|this 'Kipedia page]]. Even the latter part of [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=from_work&diff=prev&oldid=443467 this] could be handled better with something like "I don't think we need a link to 'corporation'". Remember, someone went to the trouble of writing that link; saying "What the crap?" doesn't really help, even if it is indeed unnecessary. What you're trying to get across can almost always be expressed with a softer tone and is actually typically more effective in driving it home. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 02:07, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
:You make a good point. I'll try to be a bit gentler. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 02:09, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

== Vandalism in the sandbox ==

No such thing, Stu. No such thing. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 05:52, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

:I know. It was a joke. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 10:33, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

::You [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&diff=prev&oldid=449501 did it again]. Please don't use "rv vandalism" in an edit summary for fun. You can be sure that it will cause at least one sysop to check the reverted edit to see if a warning or a block is in order. It's kinda like crying wolf.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:01, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

:::I apologize. I didn't think of that consequence when i did it. You can be assured it won't happen again. (PS. I think that quick sand pic should be a permanent part of the sandbox.) Sorry for entrangling you, [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 01:04, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

::::No probalo. Now go to bed!!!11!!!one!{{User:Loafing/sig}} 01:08, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

==Geez whiz, kid==
*Well, I am just going to put this out bluntly for you: it is fine for this ([http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Sbemail_169_Deleted_Scene&diff=prev&oldid=452366]) to be here. It is not revealing any spoiler. It is just simply an explanation of "WTF", so quit starting revert wars, aight? I know the undo button looks fun, but, sewiously, the explanation is fine. Best, --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 02:02, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

== Removing facts ==

Hey there DeFender, I was wondering which facts' removal you were referring to {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Eggs_%28toon%29&diff=next&oldid=452799 here}} — you sounded a little upset in the edit summary. Thanks, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:37, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

:well, actually... (blushes)... I read the history wrong, and those facts that were moved... I uh, kinda thought they had gotten deleted... and umm... went back to a previous revision and reverted from there, so i didn't actually touch the facts... and umm... sports team? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:40, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

::Okay, no prob — just checking. I guess that's a good reason to keep [[#Edit summaries|edit summaries]] civil :) Thanks, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:44, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

:::Well, i am getting better with the whole edit summaries thing, aren't I? [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:46, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Oh, I can't say I've been following them that closely; I just noticed that section on your talk page and thought it seemed timely to link to it just as a friendly reminder. But looking through [[Special:Contributions/DeFender1031|your last X0 contributions]], they look fine. Nevertheless, let me take this opportunity to mention that I appreciate your efforts at reverting poor edits; you do a great job of helping keep the wiki tidy! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:51, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::[[wikipedia:Zoidberg|Hooray! I'm helping!]] [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 00:53, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

== Periods inside of quotation marks ==

Hi Dan,
Thanks for your suggestion, but periods (and commas) always go inside of quotation marks.
Check out this grammar site: http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/quotes.asp
Jonathan
Fellow H*R fan

:According to THAT standard. Not ours. Ours is more intuative. Btw, thanks for calling me "Dan". It's nice to see that some people care enough to take the time to read a bit about who it is they're talking to. Also, please sign your posts with four tildas "<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>". it leaves your signature and a link to your page, and lets people know who wrote what. Now get back to that tranglin'! [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 15:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

::Huh? I'm not sure what you mean by "our" standard (and since I'm a spelling nerd, it's "intuitive"). I also don't get the 4 tilda thing. What does it do?

:::"Our" standard as in "the Wiki's" standard. The four tildes add your signature and a date to your posts just like this:{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:15, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
::::Found the link: [[HRWiki:Manual of Style#Quotation_marks]].{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:19, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Ok, man...I'll just let it slide and let you explain to the American Bar Association why all your briefs are full of quotation marks! [[User:Maristredfox|Maristredfox]] 15:45, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

:Hey! I answer to no one about why I choose to fill my underwear with punctuation. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 17:01, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

== [[flashback|WHAT????!@#$%^&*()]] ==

sorry... Anyway.. It's not part of the email? {{User:Lazylaces/sig}} 19:28, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

== Super Mario Sunshine Reference ==

Hey, can you possibly PM me on the forums what the SMS reference is that would cause an edit war? --[[User:CX360|CX360]] 21:52, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

== take a day off ==
I'm honored you "stole" my shomer shabbat userbox and gave it such a seat of kavod right up in the number two spot. {{User:TheDude/sig}} 02:19, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

== Editing another's user page ==

A user flooding recent changes is certainly annoying, but it's not against any rule. {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=User:Luckystar27&curid=34451&diff=454496&oldid=454495 Replacing an entire legitimate user page}}, on the other hand, is a blockable offense. I realize you had good intentions, but please don't do that. (We could probably also do without the thinly veiled swear on his talk page.) Thanks. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:37, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:Thinly veiled swear? What are you talking about exactly? I don't swear. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 01:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
::I was referring to "for the love of G-d and everything holy". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:08, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Oh, i don't see that as a swear. I'm sorry if you do and i've offended you. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 10:13, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
::::Wow, if god was a swear word, you must hate church! --{{User:CX360/sig}} 21:44, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
:::::On the contrary, trivially invoking the names of deities is the original meaning of [[Wikipedia:Swearing|swearing]], and it's out of respect for those things that it's discouraged. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:49, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
::::::Still, CX's post is one of the funniest things i've seen today. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 21:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

== <nowiki>[[Redirect]]</nowiki>s ==

What's bad about having an ''s'' after a link? On [[Strong Bad Email]], you can put an ''s'' after it so it will still say [[Strong Bad Emails]] without a redirect. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 19:51, 13 May 2007 (UTC) (sorry, though, that I did it a second time. I didn't see that you reverted the 1st one)
:Actually, I owe YOU an apology. I wasn't aware that the link absorbs the "s" like that. There's nothing wrong with it (as long as you're editing an up to date version of mediawiki.) As for the second time, actually, i reverted both after they were both done. No harm done, dorian sorted it all out, explained to me that it absorbs it and fixed it and all. You did what you were supposed to be doing. For that, I applaud you. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 19:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

== Oops ==

Sorry 'bout that. Got confoozled. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:34, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
:No problem bro. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 23:36, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

== [[Template:Retired|Hey!]] ==
Before you go around marking pages for speedy don't you think you should contact the creator or wait a sec and check the discussion page? Anyway, it's gone now but.. It's purpose was to mark users as retired as I was just about to do with my old account. Sorry for the trouble. =) [[User:Speckledorph|Speckledorph]] 20:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

:Like I said, if they don't go on the wiki anymore, how can they put it on? --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:40, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

::It's unnecessary to have a template for that. Users can mark their old pages as "retired" as they individually wish. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 20:41, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

:::For example, you can do what [[User:Homsarroks|this guy]] did. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

== Explanation ==

I just meant that the Grape Nuts Robot thing was a bit risque for a family-friendly cartoon, but whatever, that probably wasn't such a good thing to say on a family-friendly wiki, either. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 01:27, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
:I really doubt "kiss my butt" refers to anything so extreme as ''that''. It's just a mildly offensive way to insult a person: somewhere between "Screw you!" and "Eat my shorts!" {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 01:52, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
::Ah, now see, I didn't realize that. Oops. :/ [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 02:23, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
:::DeFender: I know you were trying to help, and I agree with the decision to remove the comment, but [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Talk:Marzipan%27s_Answering_Machine_Version_8.0&curid=3964&diff=459310&oldid=459307&rcid=414014 your edit summary] was out of line. You used profanity and made a personal attack on another user. Indeed, these are actually blockable offenses. Furthermore, you seem to have a habit of using rude or snappy edit summaries. I urge you to be less impulsive in your actions and think more about your edit summaries before writing them. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 01:52, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
::::Heimstern, I don't actually consider that a profanity, but I apologize to those who do. It just bothers me to see such disgusting things and I guess I kind of lost it a bit. I know this isn't the first harsh edit summary I've written, and I apologize, but I hope you can see where I was coming from, especially since that post would have been more appropriate for the forum anyway, (ignoring the content, and just focusing on the idea, of course. That kind of content isn't appropriate anywhere in my opinion.) Please accept my apology, both of you, and please understand that I will try harder to tone it down in the future. Hagurumon, I expect you to use a bit more disgression in the future, so that I won't even need to revert things like that. With that, I think this matter has been solved, so let's all return to our various respective tranglings. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 12:35, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
::In such instances, I generally revert with a sterile "this is a forum post" summary, or in debatable cases, I reply with something along the lines of "This seems to be forum-type fodder, Why not check out the forum?" The key is sterility. Content of articles can be edited, but the summaries, we're stuck with them. Keep them totally G-rated and fun for all. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 12:52, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Ah, but in this case I don't think it was appropriate even for the forum. Also, we really ARE stuck with the content, at least in the history. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 14:55, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

==The "Sensitive subject" ==

I had no Idea it was a sensitive subject - although I can see why. By the way, is this why I am unable to edit the wiki page for a '''certain''' game? [[User:MJN SEIFER|MJN SEIFER]] 19:30, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
:I would assume so, although i was just paraphrasing for It's Dot Com. He knows much more than I do about this. Also, there's another reason for that not being valid on that page that DorianGray pointed out to me in IRC:
:<blockquote><DorianGray> Yes, but that's not the actual reason. The what's new thing on that main page is old and static, and doesn't change, regardless of other updates. It's an old page. That's why it would still say such. <DeFender1031> DorianGray, ahh, that's true also... didn't even think of that one :P</blockquote>
:Anyway, I think that answers that. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:32, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Thank you [[User:MJN SEIFER|MJN SEIFER]] 21:15, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

==Thanks==

Thanks for putting me on your cool persons list. I already had you on mine because...um...you're just cool. =D {{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 19:47, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
:You deserve it. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:14, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

== 1000 page views! ==

Congratulations on 1000 page views. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 20:15, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks. It's not really something I care so much about, but i guess it's a milestone of sorts... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:18, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
::How many are your own looking at your own page, though? :) {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:17, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
:::Probably less than 50 actually. I Don't look at it that often. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 10:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

== help with signature ==

hi this is stronghomsar and i wanted to know how to make my signature cool like yours [[User:Stronghomsar|Stronghomsar]] 20:30, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
:Sign on to [[HRWiki:IRC channel|IRC]] so we can talk more directly. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:32, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

== IWEDOPOIJACAYPSWAI ==

[[Talk:One_Two%2C_One_Two#Wait_a_minute.21|It was either done on purpose or it's just a cartoon and you probably shouldn't worry about it]]. It's the new This That And That Other Thing! {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:01, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
:Lol. you'll notice that that's not the only time i've used that. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:18, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
::I thought about abbreviating it to IJAC - It's Just A Cartoon. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:29, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

== Relax ==

"Please remove the link from your user page"? I'm sure you meant to phrase that as a suggestion and not a command, right? You seem to be taking a lot of liberties lately, such as marking for speedy deletion without discussion longstanding user pages. I know your intentions are probably good, but your approach is something of the bull-in-a-china-shop variety. I'd like you to please take a step back and recognize that you have no special authority to ''tell'' anyone to do anything, and to temper your style some. In other words, relax a bit. Thanks, [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 13:55, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
:Phlip pointed out to me that red links are only evil in main namespace. I wasn't trying to tell anyone to do anything, merely trying to get something that I thought was a problem corrected without editing his user page myself. Had phlip pointed it out sooner, i would have phrased it very differently. As for the speedy deletion stuff, it was a mistake, and i apologize. (I do believe that i'm also the one who REMOVED those tags once I realized that it was incorrect.) I'm perfectly relaxed, I just haven't yet completely gotten down the feel for what is and is not acceptable practice. I know that I can be a bit hard to deal with sometimes, and I thank you very much for your patience. I don't think that I have any special authority to do anything, quite the contrary. I'm just a well-intentioned user. Nothing more. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 14:17, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

== Being slow to revert ==

Hello, DeFender, I think we've talked a bit about being slower to revert edits. In light of the recent edit skirmish I saw you in, I think you need to keep working on this. I would especially urge you to be careful when reverting established users. Our knowledge base runs on the collegiality of its editors, and edit warring destroys that collegiality. So, if you revert an established editor and get re-reverted, you really should take it to the talk page rather than going back to revert again. (Often, this is wise even with newer editors, but it's essential for established users.) I hope you understand where I'm coming from. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 21:22, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
:Of course. After nearly a year, I'm still trying to fully understand wiki etiquette. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:36, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

== [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Strong_Bad_Email_Spin-offs&diff=467420&oldid=467419 Edit Summary] ==

This edit summary made it completely unclear why you did not think the monster truck game counted as a spin-off. In fact, it almost creates the impression you deleted it on accident. I returned the game and would like to know what you meant to say in the summary. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 03:13, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

:I did in fact delete it by accident, sorry man. I don't even remember doing that at all, but then again, it HAS been a month. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 04:46, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

== Kudos! ==

[[Image:Awesomeguy.JPG|thumb|I am a man of my word (Most of the time...)]]
You get {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=HRWiki%3ASandbox&diff=478607&oldid=478605 kudos}}! --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 01:13, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
:I got it after reading the first quote. I'm a huge Potter fan. Come onto IRC and i'll tell you about what really happened in the 6th book. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:15, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

== Special Userbox ==

Hey again DeFender. I made a special userbox today that I got the idea from that talk on my sig page yesterday:

{|
{{userbox|border=navy|mainbkgd=lightred|codebkgd=green|codecolor=lightblue|code=[[Image:Massachusetts.png|48px]]|47px|msg=This user thinks he's in '''[[User talk:Homestar-winner/sig|Wikichusetts]].'''}}
|}

You can have it if you would like. I put it on my user page. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 15:29, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
:By the way, DeFender, I removed the userbox from my page. I don't know if you ever have even seen this post though anyway. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 18:55, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

==qumarq==
i herd of this guy and we had an argument about spin and say. so i dont know him. why is he on the list of cool people then?
:First of all, it's Qermaq. Secondly, the spin and say is a touchy subject, and I agree with him. Third, I can put whomever I want on my cool people list, regardless of their opinions on matters that don't even involve me. Fourth, what is it to you who's on my cool people list? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:16, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

== User Page Editing ==

Hey, saw your edit summary. I'm sure Loafing had no clue whatsoever that you had permitted another user to fix things on your page. In that, his revert was in good faith - in fact, I was about to before I saw he had. The fix was easy enough for you to revert back to. But I think comparing Loafing to a "vandal" is a bit over the top when he was obviously trying to help ''you''. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:45, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
:Qermaq, that's why i put a winky face there. Loafing knew it was a joke. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:46, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
::Ah, it got blended into the parenthesis. Hard to see thos in italics too... {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:47, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Oh, heh, gotta work on my placement... You know i'd never actually call loaf a vandal... I love the guy. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:49, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
::::''/me breaks out in tears.'' I love you guys!{{User:Loafing/sig}} 21:51, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

::::Sure, I know that. But remember the impressionable minds, the imitable behavior, the dilution of the meaning of the words we use, all that. Oh, and remember the Alamo too. I forgot Poland once. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:52, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::Don't mention the war, Qermaq. I mentioned it once, but I think I got away with it.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 21:54, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

:speaking of which, thanks for catching mace to the face messing up mine. {{user:Thewi2kbug/sig}} 10:48, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
::No probalo. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:03, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

== Hey, defender ==
Hey defender, can we be friends?--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 19:41, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Me Tooo here!
{|
{{userbox|border=#FFA500|mainbkgd=#FFCE7B|codebkgd=#FFA500|codecolor=#FFFFFF|code=[[Image:First prize.PNG|43px]]|msg=This user is an awsome friend from '''{{User:Geoblu2/sig}}}}
|}
--{{User:Geoblu2/sig}} 19:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

I dont want to be useless space filler!--{{User:Geoblu2/sig}} 19:44, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

:Hey, do you want to be next weeks kanjiro's person of the week?--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 19:45, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

::People of the week are cool! {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:47, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
:::That means you are cool!--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 19:49, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
::::Hooray! {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:49, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

(Yay!!)--{{User:Geoblu2/sig}} 19:49, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

== Help ==

srry if i ruining ur page, so just delete this, but i wuz wondering if you could help me cuz im pretty new to the wiki and i need help fixing up my page. thanx if you can help! --[[User:Acam30|Acam30]] 19:38, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

== Hey Defender ==
You are my [[User:Kanjiro#Person of the week|person of the week]].--{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 00:13, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
:I'm honored. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:17, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

== A Stickly Situation ==

In times like these, it's often wise to wait for new voices to change the dynamic from a head-butting to a ... heads-butting. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:07, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
:I was kidding when i said i give up, but yes, i would like to hear from a few more people on this. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 03:08, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

== Daily Quote Contest ==
If you have an answer to my [[User:DeFender1031#Quote of the day (or close to it)|contest]], post it here. Thanks. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 03:42, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
:This is just a guess, but is it ''[[Wikipedia:Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl|Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl]]''? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:48, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
::It is indeed! {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 04:50, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Yay! Ooh, and now that I'm allowed to Google it, I see it appears on [[Wikipedia:Dante and his Divine Comedy in popular culture]]... {{User:Trey56/sig}}
THE UNDERMINER!!! From the Disney/Pixar movie The Incredibles. And if you must know, it's in the last scene besides the credits. But I guess at that point I'm just showing off. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:13, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
:Correct. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 04:14, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
Was that from I Robot? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 04:25, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
:I need more. Who said it? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 04:25, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
::Susan said it. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 04:27, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Correct. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 04:28, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey I'm complaining. I got the pirates line the moment you said it to me online, and you know it. You asked the question in response to something I wrote. I also got all your other quotes instantly. Your latest one for example is from that Buzz movie, where Buzz's partner tells him it, the blank part is Zurg. I expect you to correct your list of winner, or at least give me a lifetime achievement award on the subject. -Insane Coder [[User:89.139.31.118|89.139.31.118]] 05:14, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

== "Gaming the system" ==

I recently reverted edits saying "please don't [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Gaming the system|game the system]]". I just wanted to be sure you knew what I meant. If you didn't, good thing I posted; if you already did, I'm the fool, so no harm. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:44, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but i get the gist. You wanna clear it up 100% for me? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:45, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
::Well, the seed which prompted the comment was [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Quality_Time&curid=36681&diff=488312&oldid=488311&rcid=444060 this edit] which seems to say "well, if what I said isn't ok, then this isn't either". It's editing based on the assumption that your adversery is correct, whether or not they are. Hypothetical editing based on hypothetical standards is a form of "gaming the system" and isn't best form. If you ever feel the need to make an edit to [[Wikipedia:WP:POINT|make a point]], the edit should be to a talk page explaining your point, not to an article assuming the charge is based in actual fact. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:53, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:::I was merely saying that the one before that was more of a stretch than that one and that if the second was over the line, so was the first one. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:55, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Yes, so say that, don't act it. See the distinction? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:56, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::yes. sorry. I'll do that in the future. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:58, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
::::::I'm sure we've all been guilty of it. I just wanted to be sure you were aware. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:00, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::::[[caleb rentpayer|I am now.]] {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:01, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

== [[concert]] Shaun of the Dead reference ==

I added it because the way the shard gets stuck in Strong Sad's head is identical to one of the records thrown in the movie. [[User:Noclip|Noclip]] 16:26, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

concert

Noclip — Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:17:44 GMT

Noclip: /* Fun Facts */ added shaun of the dead

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[[Image:Sbemail175_screenshot.PNG|thumb|"And that one guy even had his back to us all night!"]]

Strong Bad talks about how [[sloshy]] became one of his favorite, and then least favorite, bands.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{film|Strong Bad}}, {{film|Trogdor}}, [[Larry Palaroncini]], {{film|Strong Sad}}, {{film|Homestar Runner}}, [[Mary Palaroncini]] (Easter egg), {{film|The Poopsmith}} (Easter egg), {{film|Senor Cardgage}} (Easter egg)

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Strong Bad's Laundry Room]], [[The Field]], [[Strong Bad's Basement]], [[Bathroom of the Brothers Strong]], [[Mud Baths]], [[The Space Machine]] (Easter egg)

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}

'''Date:''' Monday, August 20, 2007

'''Running Time:''' 4:26

'''Page Title:''' Lappy 486

== Transcript ==
'''STRONG BAD:''' I'm running through a field of emails! Paranoia! Paranoia!

<blockquote class="lappy email"><div>
subject: concert</div>
Hey Strong Bad, 
Have you ever been to a concert? If you have what type 
of concert was it? 
Your Dragon, 
Trogdor *smiley face*
</blockquote>

''{Strong Bad's speech begins to stress as he reads the signature, becoming obviously distressed by something.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Wipe that smiley face off your the words 'smiley face.' You do ''not'' impersonate The Burninator, got it?

''{As Strong Bad says this, a Trogdor sprite walks on the Lappy screen and burns the email signature. The Trogdor Arcade Game theme music plays in the background.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Yeah, I go to concerts. Why else would I own a pair of Hollywood Boulevards?

''{Scene cuts to the laundry room, showing a pan-out of Strong Bad wearing a pink leapord-pattern bandanna and unusual shoes than what he normally wears }'''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Oh, hello, plea-ted boots. What are you all gusseyed up for?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Shut up, man! I always dress like this.

''{cuts to close-up of Strong Bad}'''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I'm going to see Limozeen tonight. But I never heard of the opening band, so I'm gonna show up fashionably late. What are you all gusseyed ''down'' for?

'''STRONG SAD:''' I'm going to see a show tonight too. But I've never heard of the headliner, so I'm gonna leave fashionably early.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Well, those two things don't sound at all related. Bye loser!

''{Both Strong Bad and Strong Sad walk off-screen, cut back to Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Hey, guess what? They were related. Apparently, Limozeen was trying to expand their audience into people that ''{pauses awkwardly}'' went to college. So, they got this band sloshy to open up for them. But Limozeen ended up cancelling because...

''{a paper labelled 'LIMOZEEN Contract Rider' appears on-screen}''

'''LARRY PALARONCINI:''' ''{drums in background}'' Our audience must be 94% hot young females with bangs higher than or equal to our own. ''{Drums get more intense}'' And also a deviled egg tray! ''{The words "Deviled Egg Tray!" appear hand-written on the contract}''

''{Paper disappears}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' So, Limozeen just hung out in their tour bus and watched ESPN Classic all night, while sloshy played both sets. Needless to say, I was perplexed, and intrigued.
''{Strong Bad types and pronounces "intrigued" as intriguéd}''

''{Cut to The Field, at night. Strong Bad and Strong Sad are walking back home.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' So, help me out here. Were they missing some members? Where was their lead guitarist?

'''STRONG SAD:''' Uh, that was the ''whole band.''

'''STRONG BAD:''' What?! You're not allowed to have a band with only ''three people'' in it! And something epse suspicious. What happened to the bassist's sunglasses? Did the lenses fall out?

'''STRONG SAD:''' No, Strong Bad, those were just ''regular glasses.''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Shock and horror!

''{Cut to The Basement. Strong Bad and Strong Sad are playing what looks like an Atari game}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' But they must be like, a brand new band, right?

'''STRONG SAD:''' No, they've been around for five or six years now...

'''STRONG BAD:''' Then why haven't they grown their hair long yet?

'''STRONG SAD:''' I think those are just their haircuts, Strong Bad.

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''Really?''

''{Cut to the bathroom. Strong Sad is brushing his teeth, while Strong Bad is just standing there talking, holding his toothbrush.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' So somebody must've stolen their costume trailer, huh? Man, that's rough. They couldn't wear any of their spandex, or latex, or... Tex-mex...

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{takes toothbrush out of mouth to speak}'' They don't wear costumes. They were probably just wearing what they've been wearing all day.

'''STRONG BAD:''' But... The music rocked.

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{takes toothbrush out of mouth again to speak}'' Yes.

'''STRONG BAD:''' And they weren't wearing costumes.

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{takes toothbrush out of mouth again to speak, and shakes his head}'' ''No.''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Huh... Interesting.

''{cut to a mud-bath area in the field. Strong Bad and Strong Sad both have towels on their heads and cucumber slices on their eyes. Strong Sad's stomach is sticking out of the top of the mud bath}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' There were no high leg kicks, no choreographed spin moves... And that one guy even had his back to us all night.

''{zoom-in to Strong Bad and Strong Sad}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' It's like they don't even really care about me. Like when they played that song called 'We don't even really care about you'?

''{Cut to The Basement. A sloshy CD in [[SeeDees]] is playing the just-mentioned song. Zoom out to Homestar and Strong Bad playing with Cheat Commandoes toys.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' And ''no'' pyrotechnics?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Nope. They just strung a bunch of Christmas lights over their bass drum.

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{somewhat perturbed}'' And they still rocked?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yeah, totally! And they can't be bothered to play solos, so they always leave a space to sing your own! Check out these ''mow da mows.''

''{Strong bad imitates an electric guitar solo. Homestar is, unsurprisingly, amazed at this feat.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{walking up}'' Hey, hey! ''slosh-ay!''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''slosh-ay!''

'''HOMESTAR:''' You guys are ''so lame.''

''{Cut back to the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' And that's how sloshy became one of my favorite metal bands.

'''STRONG SAD:''' Uh, Strong Bad, I wouldn't exactly call sloshy ''metal.''

'''STRONG BAD:''' What're you talkin' about? Of course they're metal. Look at the facts.

'''STRONG BAD:''' No costume.

''{a costume appears on the screen, which is promptly X-ed out}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Short hair.

''{long yellow hair appears, which promptly morphs into short brown hair}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ...A logo that's not jaggedy or drippety at all...

''{a 'jaggedy,' non upside-down rendition of the sloshy logo appears, which then turns upside-down and becomes the normal sloshy logo}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' And songs that aren't about girls... Los Angeles... or good... times...

''{a CD appears with a track listing reading '1. Smokin' fine honey-child; 2. Sunset Strip(pers); 3. Party Patrol' appears, and then changes to read '1. ok fine; 2. unripe; 3. art troll'}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{record scratch}'' Hey, wait a minute! You tricked me! Sloshy's not metal!

'''STRONG SAD:''' I didn't ''trick'' you, I was just helping you broaden your horizons...

'''STRONG BAD:''' I'll broaden ''your'' horizons!

''{Strong Bad grabs a sloshy record and slams it over Strong Sad's head, shattering it and leaving a piece embedded in the top of Strong Sad's head}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' And that's how sloshy became one of my least favorite bands.

''{[[New Paper]] slides down}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Ugh... That sound... It's got no punch. You just kinda slither out, like a boring lizard's tongue. Let's try this.

''{Strong Bad pulls out a floppy disk and chucks it into the paper. It sticks at the top of the screen.}''

''{New Paper prints some more, now saying 'How ya like me now?' A grinding sound can be heard instead of the normal paper sound, and plastic chunks fall from where the floppy disk is}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' There we go... We're good at least until you completely shred that disk.

''{New Paper retracts slightly. The grinding sound can be heard, and more plastic chunks fall.}''

== Easter Eggs ==
*At the end, click on the word "favorite" to see a short scene with Senor Cardgage.
:''{Cut to the Field. Senor Cardgage is standing on a lawn mower. A bush is nearby.)''
:'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' Why, hello, Miss Treta. Check out Senor Cardgage's Intregway.
:''{The Intregway logo appears beside him, then disappears}''
:'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' Don't tell no mandy, ''{the words "Dump Tell No Mandy!" flash at bottom of screen}'' it's just a land mower turned bankways! If you help me buy it, I'll cut you in!
:''{Strong Bad eagerly runs over.}''
:'''STRONG BAD:''' I'll help you buy it! I'll help you buy it!
:''{Senor silently drives the Intregway offscreen.}''
*Click on the word "bands" at the end to see a clip of Limozeen: "but they're in space!".
:''{Mary sits in the Space Machine watching what sounds like basketball on ESPN Classic. Larry stands, watching as well with a displeased look. A whistle blow is heard.}''
:'''MARY:''' Wow! That Danny Ainge complains about every call! ''{begins eating what appears to be a basketball}''
:'''LARRY:''' I'm totally mesmerized by Kevin McHale's armpit haaair! ''{gestures wildly with his hands}'' Oooeeuuh! ''{punches the air with one hand}''
*Click on the reflection of Strong Bad's diamond at the end to see where the mud baths came from.
:''{Strong Bad and Strong Sad are in their mud baths.}''
:'''STRONG BAD:''' Where did these mud baths come from? These things are awesome!
:''{The Poopsmith rises out of Strong Sad's bath, wearing a snorkel and goggles. Strong Bad and Strong Sad scream.}''

== Fun Facts ==
=== Explanations ===
*A [[Wikipedia:Rider (theater)|rider]] is a set of requests or demands that a performer sets as criteria for performance.

=== Trivia ===
*Limozeen's contract rider reads:
<blockquote>LIMOZEEN 
Contract Rider 
 
*114 cans of hairspray 
*4 tubes of Leather Pants Remover 
*Audience must be 94% hot young 
     females with bangs higher than or 
     equal to our own 
*Jenga or Pictionary</blockquote>

=== Remarks ===
*Strong Sad claims to have never heard of Limozeen, despite the fact that he watched a cartoon starring them in [[best thing]].
*This is one of the few times [[Decemberween#References to Christmas|Christmas]] has been directly mentioned in the Homestar Runner universe instead of [[Decemberween]].
*This is a rare occasion of [[Strong Bad and Strong Sad's Relationship#Strong Bad and Strong Sad Getting Along|Strong Bad being nice to Strong Sad]].
*Strong Sad [[Strong Sad smiling|smiles]] twice in this email: first when mocking Strong Bad's outfit, and then when entering the room where Strong Bad is telling Homestar about sloshy.

=== Inside References ===
*The Trogdor sprite and its burninating animation are from a [[myths and legends]] Easter egg, where it was used for a Walking with Trogdor advertisement.
*The drum music that plays when Larry reads the contract rider is from [[coloring]].
*This is another reference to [[eggs]].
*Homestar is playing with [[Cheat Commandos]] toys.

=== Real-World References ===
*[[Wikipedia:ESPN Classic|ESPN Classic]] is an [[Wikipedia:ESPN|ESPN]]-run TV network showing reruns of sports events and other sports-related programming.
*[[Wikipedia:Danny Ainge|Danny Ainge]] and [[Wikipedia:Kevin McHale|Kevin McHale]] are two former players of the [[Wikipedia:Boston Celtics|Boston Celtics]].
*"Intregway" is a parody of the [[Wikipedia:Segway PT|Segway PT]], a personal transportation device.
*[[Wikipedia:Jenga|Jenga]] and [[Wikipedia:Pictionary|Pictionary]] are games.
*Strong Bad throwing the record at Strong Sad may be a reference to [[Wikipedia:Shaun of the Dead|Shaun of the Dead]].

== External Links ==
{{sbemailextlinks|175|12251}}
{{Strong Bad Email}}

User talk:Noclip

Noclip — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:04:47 GMT

Noclip: grammar

''This page is made for talking, and that's just what it'll do. One of these days this page is gonna talk all over you.''

No, really. I had to put something here for the redirect to work.

User talk:Noclip

Noclip — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:04:17 GMT

Noclip: created

''This page is made for talking, and that's just what they'll do. One of these days this page will talk all over you.''

No, really. I had to put something here for the redirect to work.

User:Noclip

Noclip — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:02:49 GMT

Noclip: redirect

#REDIRECT[[User talk:Noclip]]

User:Noclip

Noclip — Mon, 04 Jun 2007 17:02:17 GMT

Noclip: delete

Talk:Main Page

Noclip — Wed, 30 Mar 2005 19:24:49 GMT

Noclip: /* Scared of 1.4.0 */

:''In order to shorten the size of this page, all conversations before the 30th of December have been archived. You can access the archive [[HRWiki:Main Page Talk Archive|here]].''

== What the crap? ==

Why am I not on the list of registered users? --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]

:You're number 439.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:42, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)

== 2004/2005 Tsunami Donation Link ==

I was just reading up on the [[Wikipedia:2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake|Indian Ocean Earthquake]] and realized how incredibly horrible this event was, and I'm seriously thinking we need some kind of banner to a donation link to the Wikipedia donation page. Or something like that. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

How very specific your request is.
-[[User:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf|Fhq]]

Fhq, what's your point? It's a good idea, don't give him crap because he's thinking larger than himself.
Bird, perhaps you should send Joey a PM on the forum. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]

:Just in case anyone was wondering, we won't be adding a notice to the Main Page. If you'd like to put a notice on your userpage, that would be acceptable.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:14, 7 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Dubious reference solution ==

Over the past few Strongbad e-mail articles, I've read a lot of (to be frank) farfetched suggestions of references that TBCs are presumably making to other stuff. Maybe, if you're 100% sure that something is intended as a reference (for example, a character name or line very specific to one TV show), then it's fine to say it's a reference. But if something just seems to remind you of something else (for example, a song that sounds kinda-sorta like a song that was played in the 23rd episode of some TV series), then it's more accurate to say that it is '''reminiscent''' of something, rather than a reference to something.

Just a suggestion.

:A wonderful suggestion, and it goes along with the ongoing discussion we are having regarding the overhaul of our current fun fact system. Thank you for your concern and idea.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:52, 13 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Locking down the main page ==

I visited today and noticed that the main page had been defaced. Someone else restored the last known good version, but it seems to me that the front page should not be editable by just anyone for this exact reason. Even the main page of Wikipedia is off-limits to anyone except staff...
:Yeah, I want the main page protected as well... [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]-<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|?</tt>]] 14:05, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)
-It happened again. This must be done NOW.

:Look, the template does nothing to prevent trolling; it's a redundancy. Locking down the Main Page is a good way to go, since nothing really changes there, anyway. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 14:26, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

I find it funny how the MediaWiki's been around for at least 5 months now and only NOW are people starting to complain about wanting the Main Page locked down. Personally, I think it's prime idiot bait, as in "if you deface the main page, you're automatically not fit to be on the wiki." --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 15:02, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

You could have a way to detect whether someone is severely defaceing the page or not. --[[User:67.161.224.65|67.161.224.65]]

::Okay, due to several requests and the seeming lack of need to update the Main Page, I've protected it. Please note that I do not like having it protected, this being a wiki and all, but I agree that it really doesn't need to be edited that much and is just sitting there as troll fodder. Thanks to all who helped with that last batch of defacement.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:12, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

:::I never change the main page, so I'm pretty happy with that, but I do have one concern. Might the Trollers who automatically go to work on the Main Page to start with, now be forced to move onto smaller, harder to detect defacements on other pages? What if we're only spreading the diease? [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'']] 18:46, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::::A good concern, and lucky for me I have this wonderful ditty to cite:
::::''...the fact is that for every troll with too much spare time, there are 100 users with just as much spare time ready and eager to undo that troll's (un)work. The fact is, the trolls always get bored before the users do, because the users are emotionally invested in what they've created and the Wiki moves fast enough that the average trolling only lasts about two minutes before it's reverted. A troll's work is hardly ever noticed by anybody, but a legitimate user's work is always noticed and appreciated. That's why wikis work. — InterruptorJones 15:37, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)'' ([[User_talk:FireBird#Question_from_Troll|ref]])
::::Simply put, that's just how wikis work. We'll notice no matter where or how small, and they will get tired.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:55, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::::::That is, unless said troll or trolls are emotionally invested in destroying the wiki. --Guest

::Good answer, thanks. Come to think of it, I guess if everyone has on their watchlist the pages they created, or just care for, then likely whatever page is edited will be watched by SOMEBODY. Thanks for the quick reply. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'']] 17:36, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Rejects? ==
Where did Rejects go?? What the? -- Asploder

:Away. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 23:57, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)

::Yes, they're all categorised now, but I don't know where they went. [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|?</tt>]] 18:08, 14 Feb 2005 (MST)

They all went to better places. Characters are now characters, items are now classified as items. Fancy that ;) [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 21:48, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

== Confusion over moving dates ==

The [[Main Page]] says that HRWiki will be moving 'from early Friday morning (Feb. 25) to late Sunday evening (Feb. 27)', but every other page says 'early Friday morning (Mar. 4) to late Sunday evening (Mar. 6)'. Someone should probably fix that on the main page, as it appears it's not closed presently. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 05:04, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)

:The date changed. A hard refresh (likely ctrl+F5) of the Main Page should clear your cache and solve the problem.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:16, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

== New ==

Hi, I'm new and not on the list.--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 09:19, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)
:Yes you are, you're number 895 →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 09:50, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

what number am i?--[[User:Harry|Harry]] 10:03, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Here, [[Special:Listusers|find out for yourself]]. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 10:46, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Thanks--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 11:10, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Favorite Character List ==
It think it might be nice if some o' you guys set up a "Most Popular Character" page to find out who are the most popular main characters in the Homestar Runner universe. There seems to be enough wiki users here to get an accurate idea. In this page, people would say who their favorite character is on the talk section (and their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc favorite as well if they want.) and then someone would add them all up into a graph to show who are the most/least popular character and so on. (And remember, MAIN characters only) To keep things simple, it could be a character would get 8 "popularity points" for being a first favorite, 7 for second, 6 for third, and so on. Whoever gets the highest popularity points goes in the most favorite section. Also, only registered users count. I dunno... this could be difficult and messy and inaccuriate, but if done right it could be very interesting.
Anyways... opinions anyone? --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 15:46, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Sorry, but this here's a vote for no. I think it could be a good idea under a different venu, such as the [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page Fanstuff Wiki], or perhaps a poll in the [http://forum.hrwiki.org/ Forum]. But since this is simply a knowledge base, it wouldn't really fit in too well.
[[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|?Thunderbird?]]</tt>'']] 16:37, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

::I agree with Thunderbird. It's just not necessary. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::What if it was made in Fanstuff Wiki? Don't care too much if it never happens. Besides, I wouldn't have the know-how and stuff to make a page like that anyway. Someone else would have had to do it. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 17:09, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

::::Yeah, that'd be awesome. Run with it. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::::I went and I ran with it. You can check it out in the Interactive section of Fanstuff H*R Wiki. :) It's called, "Character Popularity"--[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 16:47, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Article of the day? ==

Why not have a featured article like Wikipedia?

:We don't have any featured articles, so we couldn't have a featured article of the day.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:49, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

::We could do it like the Fark.com [http://216.32.91.95/Main_Page Wiki] does it. Each month has 7 articles (one for each day of the week) that rotate around every week (with a new set every month). For instance, you create a page called [[HRWiki:Featured article/Tuesday, March]] then just do an include on the main page like:

<nowiki>== Featured article ==</nowiki> 
<nowiki>{{HRWiki:Featured article/{{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTMONTH}}}}</nowiki>

That would run automatically for a whole month with only 7 articles. --[[User:noclip|noclip]] 18:53, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

:The fact remains that we still don't have featured articles.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:05, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)
::You don't need to "have" them. You can just make em. Start a poll of which articles should be on the front page, take those and copy-paste them into HRWiki:Featured article/Whatever day and use that link on the front page.

== New logo ==

How about it?

[[Image:hrwlogoidea-fixed.png]]

[[User:noclip|noclip]] 18:59, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

::I had this alternate too

[[Image:hrlogowithhr.png]]

[[User:noclip|noclip]] 19:26, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

:I like the one with the dropshadow, but would be happy with either of them... [[User:Glutnix|Glutnix]] 03:03, 23 Mar 2005 (MST)

I've started a "Poll" about this

:Sorry, but we don't do polls. I've deleted your poll page accordingly.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:02, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)
::JoeyDay told me to start one. It was just to see whether the users were for it. He said it was okay and that the decision would be left up to the admins anyway. It'd have been nice if you protected the page and posted the results instead of straight up deleting it.

:::Well, if it matters, I really don't like the green "Wiki". Another color would look nice.
:::And Homestar Runner looks a little bit bumpy. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]
::::I would have used another color but TBC pretty much used everything on the logo.

:::::Just because it's been used once doesn't mean you can't use it again. Orange or grey would look nice (I think). →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::The first one looks great. I don't know about the green, but it looks better than the current logo. ~[[User:Rainer|Rainer]]~

::::The first one is perfect. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:10, 28 Mar 2005 (MST)

:::::I love them both! Actiually, contrary to what these folks are saying, I like the green (probably because it's my favourite colour... xD). But I agree that Homestar looks bumpy. The first ones real nice, though.

==Scared of 1.4.0==
I'm scared of this upgrading to 1.4.0 
I didn't like what it did to the fanstuff. Because... 
1. Different font. It's smaller and I don't like it as much. 
2. History erased. I expecially do not want that to happen. Not to mention it could leave some page histery blank, making them targets for non-revertable trolling. 
So, what I'm trying to say, is that if you can't get past these two problems, I think I'd prefer this wiki staying in the 1.3's. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 18:37, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)
::I ran an upgrade to 1.4 a week ago on a pretty big wiki (~200 articles), it went seamlessly. The main page was defaulted, but that was easily reversible through history. Other than that, it shouldn't mess anything up. My thoughts, go ahead and do the upgrade.

== Philosophical analysis ==
Would a philosophical analysis of the Homestar Runner cartoons be appropriate for this wiki ? I wrote a long analysis a long time ago for a Homestar Runner board that I can't find anymore, but I can try to write it again.

EDIT : I found an old reference to it on [http://www.plainsman.blogspot.com/2003_09_01_plainsman_archive.html this page] (under the header ""Yeah ... you're pwobably wight"", but unfortunately the complete article is no longer cached either. It looks like I'd have to rewrite it all except the two paragraphs quoted. [[User:64.229.124.187|64.229.124.187]] 05:45, 30 Mar 2005 (MST)

User talk:InterruptorJones

Noclip — Wed, 23 Mar 2005 03:33:21 GMT

Noclip: /* Logo */

'''''Notice:'' This is not the HelpDesk. Nor are [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]]'s, [[User:Tom|Tom]]'s, or [[User:Stu|Stu]]'s user pages. If you have questions regarding the Wiki (including — especially — grousing about fanstuff), first check the [[HRWiki:FAQ|FAQ]] and the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Index MediaWiki User's Guide] and if you don't find your answer there, post your question in the [http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewforum.php?f=3 HelpDesk Forum]. Thanks.''' [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

Please leave your comments and messages for me below:
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==Doreauxgard???==
Where on Earth did you come up with this spelling of the canteloupe's name? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 13:07, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Heh. I was waiting for someone to notice. Glad you asked. Take a look at [http://www.homestarrunner.com/weeklies/weeklies.xml weeklies.xml]. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 13:09, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::Uh... how do you get it to work?? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 13:11, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

:::Oh, I'm guessing your browser puked like mine does 'cause of Jonathan's sloppy XML. When you visit the page, go to View > Source. That ought to work. Scroll down toward the bottom and you'll see the official spelling (between "ehsteve" and "oldstrongbad"). [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 13:14, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)
:::: No, that doesn't work either. But I'll take your word for it. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 13:17, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)
::::Never mind. Got it to work in a different browser. Interesting. It also lists "1up" (presumably, 20x6 Homestar) and "oldcoachz", who has only been seen in a short cameo. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 13:21, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)
:Yeah, I saw the 1up thing, too. According to hearsay, TBC have referred to 20X6 as 1-Up Xtraman (or ExtraMan or Extra Man or something). It would be nice if we could get word from the horse's mouth about his real name. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 13:23, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::"Chapos: here are the character shortcuts"

::Hee hee. Chapos. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

== Fancy New Signatures ==
Hey Jordan. Is there a nifty little shortcut code to make your name show up all small like that? Kinda like the for tildes or whatever? -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:27, 8 Oct 2004 (MST)

:Good question. Yes, and it's a feature that Tom came across last week. He's so smart. So, if you go to the Preferences page (at the top next to your username and "my talk") you'll see a "Your nickname (for signatures)" box. Leave it blank and <nowiki>~~~</nowiki> will just show your username as you're accustomed to. But you can fill it in with whatever you want.

:But there's a bit of a trick to getting it to look like mine. What I have in my box is this:
<pre><nowiki></nowiki>]]&mdash; [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki></pre>
:Yes, it's ugly. All that extra stuff is basically there to work around the formatting/linking that the Wiki does automatically. I hope I've been helpful. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

== T.R.O.L.L.? ==
Howdy, there, Interruptor jones! I'm Mega-Cheat 2.0, remember me? I was wonderin' if ya'll could help me with my T.R.O.L.L project. It was from the original wiki, but it got baleeted.
See ya lorter!

:What sort of help are you looking for? [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 10:01, 21 Dec 2004 (MST)

::T.R.O.L.L is pointless. It serves no use at all, except a large list of people who like to hunt down trolls. It really doesn't need to happen. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

Just like building it. Every time I try to put in on the wiki, my computer freezes up. IT WON'T SAVE!

:This is a problem with your computer, and I can't help you with that. Try using a [http://www.spreadfirefox.com/ better browser]. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 09:46, 22 Dec 2004 (MST)

== Kobe ==

Yeah, Drhaggis and I can't seem to fix the [[Kobe]] page [[HRWiki:Projects#Kobe Problem|problem]]. Here's the deal: When the pages were first thought up, they were linked to from the characters page as "Kobe#1" and "Kobe#2". Someone came along to those red links and created the page. Of course, this really only created one page called "Kobe", but somehow messed up the database. Special wiki pages treat it weird too. For example, "[[Special:Uncategorizedpages]]" displays "Kobe" twice but really link to "Kobe#1" and "Kobe#2" while "[[Special:Allpages]]" seems to not have a problem. We've tried deleting and recreating the page, but to no avail. Any ideas?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:12, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)

I have no idea. Maybe ask the MediaWiki folks. That's all I got. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 23:59, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)

:Cool. Yeah, it's not really a big deal or anything, it was just bothering me. Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:02, 6 Feb 2005 (MST)

== Lime Freeze Pops ==
Well, I mean, his tongue really -was- green... ;)

:I agree, but the way you incorporated it into the article wasn't very good. It may work better as a Fun Fact, for example. In all honesty, that article needs a lot of cleanup, and at this point adding items of trivia to the main body of the article is the reason it's such a mess. However, I appreciate your contribution and I think that the green tongue fact is relevant, it just needs to be added to the article's content in a more orderly fashion.

:P.S. Please sign your posts. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 22:40, 9 Feb 2005 (MST)

== Logo ==

Hey, do you think either of these is worthy of being the logo? --[[User:noclip|noclip]] 20:33, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

[[Image:hrwlogoidea-fixed.png]]

[[Image:hrlogowithhr.png]]

User talk:InterruptorJones

Noclip — Wed, 23 Mar 2005 03:33:13 GMT

Noclip: Logo

'''''Notice:'' This is not the HelpDesk. Nor are [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]]'s, [[User:Tom|Tom]]'s, or [[User:Stu|Stu]]'s user pages. If you have questions regarding the Wiki (including — especially — grousing about fanstuff), first check the [[HRWiki:FAQ|FAQ]] and the [http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Index MediaWiki User's Guide] and if you don't find your answer there, post your question in the [http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewforum.php?f=3 HelpDesk Forum]. Thanks.''' [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

Please leave your comments and messages for me below:
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==Doreauxgard???==
Where on Earth did you come up with this spelling of the canteloupe's name? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 13:07, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

:Heh. I was waiting for someone to notice. Glad you asked. Take a look at [http://www.homestarrunner.com/weeklies/weeklies.xml weeklies.xml]. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 13:09, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::Uh... how do you get it to work?? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 13:11, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

:::Oh, I'm guessing your browser puked like mine does 'cause of Jonathan's sloppy XML. When you visit the page, go to View > Source. That ought to work. Scroll down toward the bottom and you'll see the official spelling (between "ehsteve" and "oldstrongbad"). [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 13:14, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)
:::: No, that doesn't work either. But I'll take your word for it. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 13:17, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)
::::Never mind. Got it to work in a different browser. Interesting. It also lists "1up" (presumably, 20x6 Homestar) and "oldcoachz", who has only been seen in a short cameo. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 13:21, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)
:Yeah, I saw the 1up thing, too. According to hearsay, TBC have referred to 20X6 as 1-Up Xtraman (or ExtraMan or Extra Man or something). It would be nice if we could get word from the horse's mouth about his real name. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 13:23, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::"Chapos: here are the character shortcuts"

::Hee hee. Chapos. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

== Fancy New Signatures ==
Hey Jordan. Is there a nifty little shortcut code to make your name show up all small like that? Kinda like the for tildes or whatever? -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:27, 8 Oct 2004 (MST)

:Good question. Yes, and it's a feature that Tom came across last week. He's so smart. So, if you go to the Preferences page (at the top next to your username and "my talk") you'll see a "Your nickname (for signatures)" box. Leave it blank and <nowiki>~~~</nowiki> will just show your username as you're accustomed to. But you can fill it in with whatever you want.

:But there's a bit of a trick to getting it to look like mine. What I have in my box is this:
<pre><nowiki></nowiki>]]&mdash; [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki></pre>
:Yes, it's ugly. All that extra stuff is basically there to work around the formatting/linking that the Wiki does automatically. I hope I've been helpful. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

== T.R.O.L.L.? ==
Howdy, there, Interruptor jones! I'm Mega-Cheat 2.0, remember me? I was wonderin' if ya'll could help me with my T.R.O.L.L project. It was from the original wiki, but it got baleeted.
See ya lorter!

:What sort of help are you looking for? [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 10:01, 21 Dec 2004 (MST)

::T.R.O.L.L is pointless. It serves no use at all, except a large list of people who like to hunt down trolls. It really doesn't need to happen. →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

Just like building it. Every time I try to put in on the wiki, my computer freezes up. IT WON'T SAVE!

:This is a problem with your computer, and I can't help you with that. Try using a [http://www.spreadfirefox.com/ better browser]. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 09:46, 22 Dec 2004 (MST)

== Kobe ==

Yeah, Drhaggis and I can't seem to fix the [[Kobe]] page [[HRWiki:Projects#Kobe Problem|problem]]. Here's the deal: When the pages were first thought up, they were linked to from the characters page as "Kobe#1" and "Kobe#2". Someone came along to those red links and created the page. Of course, this really only created one page called "Kobe", but somehow messed up the database. Special wiki pages treat it weird too. For example, "[[Special:Uncategorizedpages]]" displays "Kobe" twice but really link to "Kobe#1" and "Kobe#2" while "[[Special:Allpages]]" seems to not have a problem. We've tried deleting and recreating the page, but to no avail. Any ideas?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 22:12, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)

I have no idea. Maybe ask the MediaWiki folks. That's all I got. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 23:59, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)

:Cool. Yeah, it's not really a big deal or anything, it was just bothering me. Thanks.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:02, 6 Feb 2005 (MST)

== Lime Freeze Pops ==
Well, I mean, his tongue really -was- green... ;)

:I agree, but the way you incorporated it into the article wasn't very good. It may work better as a Fun Fact, for example. In all honesty, that article needs a lot of cleanup, and at this point adding items of trivia to the main body of the article is the reason it's such a mess. However, I appreciate your contribution and I think that the green tongue fact is relevant, it just needs to be added to the article's content in a more orderly fashion.

:P.S. Please sign your posts. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 22:40, 9 Feb 2005 (MST)

== Logo ==

Hey, do you think either of these is worthy of being the logo?

[[Image:hrwlogoidea-fixed.png]]

[[Image:hrlogowithhr.png]]

Talk:Main Page

Noclip — Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:26:11 GMT

Noclip: /* New logo */

== Links to toons/pages ==

''This has been refactored.'' There was some discussion about whether "External Links" should go at the top or bottom of the page. A few people liked having them at the top for easy access to H*R.com, but it was eventually decided that they should go at the bottom, following Wikipedia's example.

== Screenshots ==
''This has been refactored.'' It would be nice if we could figure out how to make the screenshots on toon/email pages into thumbnails. This would get them out of the way so that content isn't pushed too far down the page. We need (read: Joey needs) to talk to our host about getting Image::Magick installed on the server before that will be possible.

== Upload file ==
''This has been refactored.'' There is some concern that some members of our community (or outsiders for that matter) will upload unnecessary or innappropriate images. It was decided that they could link to them just as easily as they could download them, and it's better for the images to be hosted here than free sites that may be unstable. Bandwidth is not really an issue, though it probably would spike if we allowed uploads (and consequently a lot of image downloads) from our server. There are a number of special pages we can use to monitor uploads so they will not get out of hand: [[Special:Imagelist]], [[Special:Unusedimages]].
:Is there any way to make GIF an allowed format? I don't like GIF any more than the next guy, but it's useful sometimes. For example, the 'tear' icon from [[Strong Sad's Lament]] is an animated GIF, and I'd like to upload it for posterity (since the Lydia one fell off the face of the Earth).

::We can't upload GIFs? I had no idea. I'll look into it. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 08:54, 26 Aug 2004 (MST)

::: Sorry this took me so long, but I've checked into it and it seems to me like we can upload GIFs just fine. [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] —[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 16:50, 30 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Adding the rest of the stuff ==
Okay, I did a few tweaks on AgentSeethroo's addition. We have to figure out a few things:
#How to list the Characters on the [[Characters]] page. I know the few characters we have setup now were done with categories. I don't know how we are going to get them all (secondary etc.) on one page.
#I indented the 3 Features. They are under Toons, but I know they deserve a spot on the Main Menu... any other suggestions on how to do that?
#Rejects/Everything Else - what to call the page. Or even if we need that page. Should we just list everything on the Characters page under several headings? And we have to figure out what the categories are going to be.
Ideas everyone? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:10, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay...
#I'm not a huge fan of the Character page on the old wiki, but we may have to do something similar due to the amount of character "aliases" or whatever...I'll have to think about that for a little bit.
#I think the indention is okay, but it's the only thing on the page that's indented. It makes it look kinda wierd. I also thought the [[Features]] link was gonna get ditched from the main page? Maybe I got lost sometime...
#This is gonna take some discussion I think. I think it should go byebye, and if anyone makes ANY pages that could be deemed NOT canon or not very important, like ANYTHING in rejects, it goes under the category of Misc. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 09:55, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Yeah, we need to get Joey in on this discussion. I know he had some great ideas that seem to escape me at the moment. And you are right about the indent. But maybe we could have other indents?

Some of these pages are pretty big. I know that games page might work as two pages. Then an "Old Games" page could be indented underneath or something. Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:39, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::I think that characters can be broken down, as well as games. Maybe even places...maybe...
But I don't wanna randomly start indenting and cluttering things up, either... Joey? -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 12:14, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hm. Does ''every'' character have to go on the Characters page? I think rejected characters shouldn't even show up on the Characters page. If they are linked to from the toons/emails they appear in, or if someone references them in comments, then that's fine. The pages for Rejects should be created, but they need to be designated as stubs. Or, perhaps we can have a "Disputed Characters" category (or whatever name was decided on in that poll a while back, and then create a "Disputed Characters" template that says something like, "The validity of this character is in question. If you feel that this character should be considered for placement within the 'Characters' category, discuss it on the talk page." --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::I agree. Keep them off the Characters page, and create a category for them at most. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:07, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::::Yeah, keep them off the Characters page. But okay then, we need to set up a good system of rules to determine what's going to go in that category/on that page, and say... what's an Inside Joke. And I like the template idea. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:19, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::::And quit asking for my input. I trust you guys. Do what you feel is proper. As for the "features" link, it should go. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:43, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Sketchbook? ==
I just had a thought...should we have the [[Sketchbook]] here on the main page, since it's being updated weekly (or so), or will it only be in the museum?

:That's a good question. We were behind a few weeks when they started doing the Weekly Fanstuff, because we didn't know they weren't going to archive it. I say as long as we have it somewhere and record it for now, we're good either way. If it becomes as regular as Weekly Fanstuff or the Quote of the Week, then we can add it to a more prominent place. I guess. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:13, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:: I do'd it anyway! HA! How's it look? Someone was keepin' up with it already, so I just moverized it.-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:41, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Wiki Stuff ==
Okay, now that that's kinda settled...How are we gonna format the WikiStuff section of the main page? I know not everything will be included in this new wiki, but some stuff needs a place, like HelpDesk and WikiSandbox and whatnot. Do we just follow the same formatting as the old wiki, even though it may be like 5 links and that's it? Is it possible to make a sidebar links thingy that'd show up on every page? That'd be awesome, and it'd set us apart a little more.
Also, half of the pages that we linked on the main page make me wanna barf. I wonder why we never looked these things over periodically? I mean the downloads page, on a scale of 1 to 10 is horrible.5. There's gonna have to be some major overhauling of most those pages to make them look WAY more professional. I'd like to make this a site that TBC can NOT ignore, ya know?
-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:58, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Ah, very good questions. MediaWiki has these things called "[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace Namespace]s". For example the "Category:" part of the link puts the page in the "Category" namespace. Our Wiki's namespace for pages like the sandbox and stuff would go under "Homestar Runner Wiki:" just like the [[Homestar Runner Wiki:General disclaimer]] and [[Homestar Runner Wiki:FAQ]] pages. The HelpDesk is in the "Help:" namespace. See [[Help:Contents]]. Also, a lot of that is under the "Special:" namespace: [[Special:Allpages|Allpages]], [[Special:Listusers|Listusers]], [[Special:Ipblocklist|Ipblocklist]], and so on. We can put stuff over there on the sidebar too. And yes, some of those pages are totally "barf" as you say. I couldn't agree with you more. Maybe someone else has some suggestions on all this... Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:29, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ==
The Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ''really'' needs to be shortened to just HRWiki. Sewiously. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 01:16, 14 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Any idea how I do that? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:04, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. I think I've made the change, but things are still pointing to the wrong places. Check out the "Search" page. The namespace is called the right thing there. However, the "About" and "Disclaimers" pages still point to "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:About" and "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:General_Disclaimer". I'm also looking into changing the name of "Current events" to "H*R.com updates" and making the "Community portal" link a "WikiForum" link instead. On a related note, I found a really useful page for the admins: [[Special:Allmessages]]. This lets us change all of the various system messages. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, I'm a confused kid right now. I've edited at least three of the system messages, but they aren't changing. I've changed them from the [[Special:Allmessages]] page and directly in the Languages.php file. What the heck am I doing wrong?? Specifically, I'm talking about the "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning" pages. Here's where I learned about this: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_namespace. Help! --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:47, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::Okay, our case-change stuff messed up more than I thought it would. Apparently, while I was editing "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning", I should've been editing "Portal", "Portal-url", and "Copyrightwarning". I wonder if there's some way we can limit our case-change stuff to just the HRWiki namespace. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hmm, now the WikiForum link links to a Wiki page called "http://forum..." Hrm.

== Let's Open 'er Up ==
So, lately I've had this horribly sick feeling that things have gone all wrong. This wiki is a community, and therefore a project like this should be done as a community. What we should do, above anything, is get things ready to be opened up. I'd like to see our community finish moving emails, toons, and characters (maybe I'm just lazy, but I really do feel that this is a matter of principle).

I know some of you might be freaking out and thinking that we can't trust our users to move stuff the right way, but think about this: This community has worked so far precisely because we have given everyone the freedom to edit any document. This is the wiki way! If we don't trust our community to get things right, why is this even a wiki in the first place? We might as well just have a normal website maintained by the dozen of us that are working on this migration right now.

So, what we really need to do is all the stuff that's necessary for this place to be operational. We need to build the documentation, make sure all the namespaces and options are set up the way we want them, etc. What do you guys think of this? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:31, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay, this is a little scary. I think for the mostpart, you're right, but we still have to issue of page load. If we open up both the old wiki and the new wiki to everybody, things are going to slow to a crawl again. Can you think of any solution to this? Also, I'm afraid we'll have tons of collision problems with lots of people working on the same documents at the same time. And a lot of people are going to try to copy-and-past things the lazy way, without taking the time to fix links, etc. I agree that this should be a community effort, but I think we have to resolve those issues first. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::I know you guys know I'm against opening it up. We don't even have any of our help page written yet. Or have the copyrights worked out: we have one place that says GNU and one place that says CC. And Jones is right about that page load. and the everyone doing everything at once thing. Just some more stuff to think about.
::As to the problem Joey's dealing with: our not giving everyone the freedom to edit... I think that would create more problems. Joey's right, giving everyone editing rights makes the wiki better, but that happens over a longer period of time. Right now we have to think on the short term. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::I agree with the Tom and Jones. This place is still a wiki, people will still be able to edit it when it opens up. Lettin' everyone on right now, even to help, would be kinda like lettin' a bunch of kids into an amusement park before it's finished and saying "You have to help us finish, though." There. My two cents. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 08:34, 31 Aug 2004 (MST)

== CSS Tweaks ==
Joey, could you increase the paragraph (P tags) spacing in the CSS? It's a little difficult to make out paragraph boundaries right now. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Working on it... --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Done. Sorry it took me so long. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Case issues ==
I just noticed something that might be an issue. Since we made case matter (for the emails), we now have the issue of [[Ballad of the Sneak]] and [[Ballad of The Sneak]] (and every other case variation) being two completely distinct pages. Is this going to be a problem? -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:39, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:This is already a problem on Wikipedia for any word after the first word. For instance, try looking up "George bush". We'll (and when I say we, I'm talking about the whole community, not just us admins) just have to pay close attention and create redirects where necessary -- at least until all the links can be fixed. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:56, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Okay, "George bush" is a bad example because there's already a redirect. Try "Greek orthodox". --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:57, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, no probalo. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]

::::Yeah, we have this issue with [[The Paper]] and [[The paper]]. I think Joey did the redirect for that. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Flash file links ==
Okay, so this has kinda been buggin' me for a while. Whoever first called it "watch this video in fullscreen" obviously had no idea they were linking to the actual raw flash file. Since then, we've continued to call it "watch this video in fullscreen". Can we change it to "download the flash file of this video", or something more meaningful? What do you think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:34, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Hm, I guess you're right. Though I wish you'd mentioned it before I did all the toons. :D Anyway, "download" isn't quite the right term, since it'll just play in most people's browsers. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:52, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. It downloads in Firefox, but I guess that's probably a preference setting. "view the flash file"? "watch the flash file"? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::"view the Flash file" seems good to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 11:32, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::We could use a template, like: <nowiki>[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail50.swf Download the Flash file] {{swf}}</nowiki>, and the <nowiki>{{swf}}</nowiki> prints a small boilerplate saying it may download the Flash file or it may instead view it in "fullscreen". - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 13:48, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Convertulator suggestions ==

StrongBadEmail should be automagically changed to [[Strong Bad Email]]. Anyplace where StrongBadEmail/ appears, it should be removed, so [[StrongBadEmail/flashback]] automagically becomes [[flashback]]. Only problem would be links like this: [[StrongBadEmail/flashback|flashback]]. They would turn out like this: [[flashback|flashback]], which I suppose isn't a big deal, but it's unnecessary bloat. We'll just have to watch for those. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:39, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've implemented your suggestions. However, I did find one small bug. If you have a (()) Wiki link that itself is in parentheses, e.g. "(((Some Page)) here)", the Convertulator will convert the first pair of parentheses, yielding <nowiki>[[(Some Page]] here)</nowiki>. There's no easy fix for this, so unfortunately we'll just have to just be on the lookout for it. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 14:17, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Characters featured ==

While adding Filmography categories, I noticed something. The featured characters lists don't seem to be in any particular order. I've been alphabetizing for the filmography categories, but I think the "Featured:" list should be in order of appearance. Maybe it should say...

'''Cast (in order of appearance): [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]], [[Homsar]]'''

What do you guys think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:53, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've always tried to do them in order of appearance. Seems like a good standard to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:54, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Navigation links on left ==

Two, maybe three of the nav links on the left have odd tooltips.

*'''Main Page''' - Visit the main page [alt-z]
**This is fine.
*'''Strong Bad Email''' - About the project, what you can do, where to find things
**Obviously this isn't what it is at all.
*'''H*R.com updates''' - Find background information on current events
**And nor is this ''really''.
*'''Recent changes''' - The list of recent changes in the wiki. [alt-r]
**Also fine.
*'''Random page''' - Load a random page. [alt-x]
**Also fine.
*'''Help''' - The place to find out.
**Slightly odd?

Also, we probably ought to have shortcuts for everything or nothing.

:Very good catch. I didn't even notice that the alt text was still set for the default links that used to be there. We also need to get the external links to the WikiForum and the WikiChat there as well. Thanks for the heads up, "84.9.23.83". -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:34, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

:You're welcome! I've got myself a proper account now. - [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 11:00, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Inside jokes ==

Why are [[Inside Jokes]] classified as "wiki stuff"? They are part of the content of H*R, and do not refer to the workings of the wiki. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 00:31, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I guess Rejects are in that same catagory. Plus things like the glossary just kind of float somewhere in between. I think some reformatting of the section definitions are in order, as long as the Main Page is recieving an overhaul. Any additional design suggestions? -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:35, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I was just doing some more thinking, and what about having the Knowledge Base contain ONLY the things listed on the H*R main page(s), and put everything left over into Wiki Stuff. Basically it would look something like this, and would have the added bonus of evening the two sections out, leaving External Links on the bottom...

* [[Toons]]
** [[Strong Bad Email]]
** [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]
** [[Teen Girl Squad]]
** [[Powered By The Cheat]]
** [[Puppet Stuff]]
** [[Holiday Toons]]
* [[Games]]
* [[Characters]]
* [[Downloads]]
* [[Store]]
* [[Email]]
* [[Legal]]
* [[Main Pages]]
** [[Weekly Fanstuff]]
** [[Quote of the Week]]
** [[Sketchbook]]
* [[Museum]]
* [[Secret Pages]]

Then this to the right of it: (Perhaps the first part in an additional section)

* [[Places]]
* [[Items]]
* [[Songs]]
* [[Quotes]]
* [[Glossary]]
* [[Inside Jokes]]
(Perhaps another section here?)
* [[Special:Listusers|List of registered wiki users]]
* [[Links]]
* [[Sightings]]
* [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]]
* [[HRWiki:Ledger|Ledger]]
* [[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]]
* [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]
* [[WikiTroll]]
* [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]]

Then the external links in another catergory. Does anyone like this idea? I think it draws a clearer distinction between things organized by the site, and additional Knowledge sorted by the Wiki. I think a clearer illustration would be that the Knowlege base is simply the 10 vegetables, and the Wiki Stuff is all the different salads they can be made into. Does anyone understand this very abstract illustration? As of now there is no clear line drawn, and many pages float in between. At the very least pages like [[Inside Jokes]] and [[Songs]] seem to be in the same catergory and in my opinion should be sorted accordingly. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:48, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

The Wiki Stuff should be for all the internal housekeeping pages like help pages, list of Trolls, ongoing projects and the like. The material that branches out from the core H*R content like [[Sightings]] can be grouped together, but they are not Wiki specific things. -[[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 12:44, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Then what about renaming the section, or even adding a seperate section? Perhaps name that one something like... 'Base Knowledge', and the other one like 'Secondary Knowledge', or something like that. Then have Wiki Troll, Ledger, Ect. under 'Wiki Stuff'. Or move EVERYTHING H*R related to Knowlege base, including Inside Jokes, ect, but that would make the menu look very offset... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 12:58, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Does anybody have an opinion about my idea? I think it's a good layout... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 22:56, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

== New Format = <strike>Banners</strike>? ==

I like the new format, it does make the title screen smaller, and more... colorful, I guess, but what happened to those cool banners? Any way to incorporate them into the design at the tops of the boxes? They really gave the main page a distinct look, and I would like to see them live again. If they don't fit, could whoever made them maybe remake one or two for a custom fit? I dunno, just a suggestion. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:28, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also as long as we're on the topic of the new format, what about moving the External Links to below the Wiki Stuff section? There's alot of unused space there. Might even get the page to one screen, without scrolling. Plus should anyone put the explanations of the links back? There seems to be a lack of explanations, only half the links have them. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:32, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Ah ha. I uploaded the banners to [[:Image:officialsite-banner.png]], [[:Image:wikipages-banner.png]], and [[:Image:externallinks-banner.png]]. I'm hoping that someone will come up with something similar that will work with this format. I'm thinking the width should be limited to around 100px.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:16, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I don't see what was wrong with a lil' scrolling. I'm taking this very harshly. It was my only reminder of the old wiki. --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 14:08, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:It reminds me a lot of Wikipedia. Maybe to much. I'm thinkin' we need something to "liven" the page up a bit, maybe like an official "Homestar Runner Wiki" banner across the top of the page. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

== Other New Format comments ==

Oh, gosh, I looked at the new format and I almost lost my lunch. It's so ugly! I really think the old banners should be back! Is there a way we can get them back?

[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 17:04, 17 Nov 2004

I agree, the Banners are needed. Any way to put them along the tops of the colored boxes, even custom stretching them to fit? I think that would look rather good. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 16:33, 17 Nov 2004 (

:It's not that big of a deal. If you puked over this, I'd hate to ride a Tilt-A-Whirl with you. Get over it. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::I'm starting to notice a pattern of people percieving improvements as being evil here, first with the switchover from Tavi to this, then the reformatting of the front page. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 02:53, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::If there's one thing that never changes, it's that people are afraid of change, no matter how much it improves their lives. Never try to give your grandma a new TV. Anyway, the banners aren't gone for good. The ones we were using just don't fit in the new layout. And just so we're clear: messing about with the front page just because you "liked it better before" is trolling and will be handled as such. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

::uh, how does this change improve my life? I guess the layout is more functional, but as for improvement, I don't think it really adds anything to the site.

::: I agree. It looks more crowded and ugly. Needs more color, like the homestar runner website. Keeping the new layout is fine, we just need smaller banners. (Btw, why is keeping the old layout trolling, yet putting up a worse layout not? I agree with your point, I just find that statement a very harsh thing that goes agenst the wiki spirit.) Also, this layout looks like crap at 800x600 --[[User:James|James]] 13:52, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)
::::The reason reverting to the old layout is trolling is quite simple: Tom (one of the mods) is the one that did the redesign, and since the mods have the most say in how the Wiki is set up, they have authority. Changing it back because you don't like this new version, therefore, is showing contempt for the mods and so on and so forth. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 14:58, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::::What about coming up with a better design that everyone likes? Is this ok? --[[User:James|James]] 18:22, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::Can't we settle this with a vote? --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 18:17, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::I don't know. Whichever wins, a whole mess of people would be mad. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::Afraid of change, no. Liked the banners, yes. :( --[[User:Southpaw018|Southpaw018]] 21:47, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::The banners were awesome and the new design is awful. I downloaded the banners (thanks Tom) and I am willing to make new ones (that's part of what I do for a living). I will make a couple and see what everyone thinks.-[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]

::I'll help if you need it. I made the origenal banners that started this whole thing off anyway. :-) --[[User:James|James]] 14:46, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::DONE! Here is one --> [[:Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]. I kept the theme of the old banners. If there are any changes you would like to see, tell me. Let me know if you want to use these and I will make the other two.-[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]

:::Thats a little small, ain't it? what about something 200 pixels wide? --[[User:James|James]] 18:33, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::[[Image:knowledgebase-banner-200px.png]] {200 x 50 px} [[Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]{100 x 50 px} -[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]
:::: That looks great! Could you make the other two sctions also? The "External Links" one might have to be larger, as that section goes all the way across the bottom of the page. --[[User:James|James]] 12:47, 23 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::: I will go ahead and do the other two soon. I am going to do them all the same size and then we can decide if the one needs to be bigger and exactly how much bigger.[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]] 20:20, 23 Nov 2004 (MST)

::::Nevermind...External links has been moved.[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]] 09:17, 24 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also, it is really annoying that the "knowledge base" frame is about 10% bigger than the "Wiki Stuff" frame. Why is this?-[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]

::Yes! I've been noticing this and it's driving me up the wall. If anything, the "Wiki stuff" frame should be bigger simply because there is more text that wraps on it. Having it smaller then "Knowledge base" is retarded, mostly since the "Knowledge base" frame has very little text that extends all the way to the border. --[[User:James|James]] 18:21, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

I just did a quick preview of the main page with equal frames and it looks so much better then when it's 10% off. Theres absolutely no reason I see for the 10% diffrence. Or is there something I'm missing? --[[User:James|James]] 18:26, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::Hi James. I'm glad you are thinking of changes for the Main Page. However, I'd like to ask that you refrain from using words such as "retarded" as this can be offensive to developmentally disabled people.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:04, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::::Ok. Sorry. --[[User:James|James]] 17:09, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::::ARGH! I just started this thread to comment, not to have a "This is better, shut up this is better" argument. I was figuratively saying that I almost lost my lunch. I don't really give a care if we go back to the banners and just keep our look. I was just offering an opinion. --[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 13:29, 24 Nov 2004 (CST)

== New Banners ==

I'm happy to see that [[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]] has created some proposals for new banners. I'm sure as many of you have already done, I've tried them on the page in a quick "preview". (Please note that they most likely will be contained in code like ''<nowiki><div style="float:right;margin-left:1em;width:100px">[[Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]</div></nowiki>'' so that they will float to the appropriate area in the section.) While they do add somewhat to the page, I think they could be improved upon. While a small width must be maintained, I don't think it would create a problem if the image had a greater height. If anyone cares to propose more images, just add them to the discussion here.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:40, 26 Nov 2004 (MST)

== The Character Silhouettes ==

I think Joey Day has the solution for us, looking at the main page now. Skipping the whole banners or no argument and doing something that integrates itself perfectly into the new design? Very very nice. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 14:06, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

:I love those, but perhaps resize one to be the same general dimensions as the other? It bothers me slightly. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 14:43, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

::Hm. I actually shrunk Strong Bad a bit because I thought he looked too big compared to Homestar. Now that I've watched a few toons I've realized Strond Bad just has a really big head. I'm not at home now or I would redo the image right now. I'll try to do it later tonight. [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] —[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 16:09, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

:One other small adjustment: I think the characters could stand to be just a little darker; I can hardly see them on my laptop unless I move my screen to just the right angle. Otherwise, it looks really good. Nice job, JoeyDay. --[[User:oddtodd|oddtodd]] 14:41, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

== Enhancement/Modification of Logo==

Props to the individual who tweaked the wiki's main logo image that appears in the upper left-hand corner. It certainly says something about our wiki - I love the polished look and it really is a marked improvement. --[[User:The Paper|The Paper]] 15:02, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

:Thanks. I've been meaning to modify it for some time now. The text was way too small before. Did you also notice I swapped out the default mediawiki background for a more better homestar styled background? You can see it best on a short page like [[Labor Day|this one]]. [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] —[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 22:41, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

::Now that's really cool. I like both the new logo and the new background. --[[User:oddtodd|oddtodd]] 20:28, 2 Dec 2004 (MST)
::Yeah, I like the new background and logo. You may as well call it Mono[[The Field|TheField]]. [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]-<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|✎</tt>]] 20:37, 22 Dec 2004 (MST)

:: Good call on the background. I never noticed. But yea, now I notice a lack of lines along the top. You've really done a good job of personalizing the Wiki. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 12:47, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)

== Hello ==

What is a wiki, this is crazy, can someone like tell me what to do, i look at HR weekly, anyone got any new updates

:One thing is we use correct grammar. Which includes correct capitolization and punctuation. To find out about this "crazy place", read up at the [[HRWiki:About]] page, or ask up any questions in the [[Help:Contents|Help Desk]]. (Oh, and for updates, there's a little thing called [http://www.homestarrunner.com homestarrunner.com] where there's this thing in the corner. It usually has updates, if I'm not mistaking. :) ) But anyways, a wiki is very easy to use if you know how, which you will learn at the [[HRWiki:About]] page. Trust me. You'll love it here if you decide to stick around.→''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

== Gr8 Job! ==

You guys do a great job at keeping troublemakers from ruining this site.

If someone would have asked me about the concept of Wiki before I saw it in action, I probably would have been very skeptical that trasher control would be effective.

Boy was I wrong.

Thanks FortyTwo and all you great detrollers out there!

:Wow, A shoutout! *sniff* I'm touched... Thanks! --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 19:53, 28 Dec 2004 (MST)

== What the crap? ==

Why am I not on the list of registered users? --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]

:You're number 439.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:42, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)

== 2004/2005 Tsunami Donation Link ==

I was just reading up on the [[Wikipedia:2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake|Indian Ocean Earthquake]] and realized how incredibly horrible this event was, and I'm seriously thinking we need some kind of banner to a donation link to the Wikipedia donation page. Or something like that. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

How very specific your request is.
-[[User:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf|Fhq]]

Fhq, what's your point? It's a good idea, don't give him crap because he's thinking larger than himself.
Bird, perhaps you should send Joey a PM on the forum. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]

:Just in case anyone was wondering, we won't be adding a notice to the Main Page. If you'd like to put a notice on your userpage, that would be acceptable.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:14, 7 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Dubious reference solution ==

Over the past few Strongbad e-mail articles, I've read a lot of (to be frank) farfetched suggestions of references that TBCs are presumably making to other stuff. Maybe, if you're 100% sure that something is intended as a reference (for example, a character name or line very specific to one TV show), then it's fine to say it's a reference. But if something just seems to remind you of something else (for example, a song that sounds kinda-sorta like a song that was played in the 23rd episode of some TV series), then it's more accurate to say that it is '''reminiscent''' of something, rather than a reference to something.

Just a suggestion.

:A wonderful suggestion, and it goes along with the ongoing discussion we are having regarding the overhaul of our current fun fact system. Thank you for your concern and idea.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:52, 13 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Locking down the main page ==

I visited today and noticed that the main page had been defaced. Someone else restored the last known good version, but it seems to me that the front page should not be editable by just anyone for this exact reason. Even the main page of Wikipedia is off-limits to anyone except staff...
:Yeah, I want the main page protected as well... [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]-<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|✎</tt>]] 14:05, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)
-It happened again. This must be done NOW.

:Look, the template does nothing to prevent trolling; it's a redundancy. Locking down the Main Page is a good way to go, since nothing really changes there, anyway. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 14:26, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

I find it funny how the MediaWiki's been around for at least 5 months now and only NOW are people starting to complain about wanting the Main Page locked down. Personally, I think it's prime idiot bait, as in "if you deface the main page, you're automatically not fit to be on the wiki." --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 15:02, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

You could have a way to detect whether someone is severely defaceing the page or not. --[[User:67.161.224.65|67.161.224.65]]

::Okay, due to several requests and the seeming lack of need to update the Main Page, I've protected it. Please note that I do not like having it protected, this being a wiki and all, but I agree that it really doesn't need to be edited that much and is just sitting there as troll fodder. Thanks to all who helped with that last batch of defacement.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:12, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

:::I never change the main page, so I'm pretty happy with that, but I do have one concern. Might the Trollers who automatically go to work on the Main Page to start with, now be forced to move onto smaller, harder to detect defacements on other pages? What if we're only spreading the diease? [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 18:46, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::::A good concern, and lucky for me I have this wonderful ditty to cite:
::::''...the fact is that for every troll with too much spare time, there are 100 users with just as much spare time ready and eager to undo that troll's (un)work. The fact is, the trolls always get bored before the users do, because the users are emotionally invested in what they've created and the Wiki moves fast enough that the average trolling only lasts about two minutes before it's reverted. A troll's work is hardly ever noticed by anybody, but a legitimate user's work is always noticed and appreciated. That's why wikis work. — InterruptorJones 15:37, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)'' ([[User_talk:FireBird#Question_from_Troll|ref]])
::::Simply put, that's just how wikis work. We'll notice no matter where or how small, and they will get tired.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:55, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::::::That is, unless said troll or trolls are emotionally invested in destroying the wiki. --Guest

::Good answer, thanks. Come to think of it, I guess if everyone has on their watchlist the pages they created, or just care for, then likely whatever page is edited will be watched by SOMEBODY. Thanks for the quick reply. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 17:36, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Rejects? ==
Where did Rejects go?? What the? -- Asploder

:Away. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 23:57, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)

::Yes, they're all categorised now, but I don't know where they went. [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|✎</tt>]] 18:08, 14 Feb 2005 (MST)

They all went to better places. Characters are now characters, items are now classified as items. Fancy that ;) [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 21:48, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

== Confusion over moving dates ==

The [[Main Page]] says that HRWiki will be moving 'from early Friday morning (Feb. 25) to late Sunday evening (Feb. 27)', but every other page says 'early Friday morning (Mar. 4) to late Sunday evening (Mar. 6)'. Someone should probably fix that on the main page, as it appears it's not closed presently. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 05:04, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)

:The date changed. A hard refresh (likely ctrl+F5) of the Main Page should clear your cache and solve the problem.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:16, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

== New ==

Hi, I'm new and not on the list.--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 09:19, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)
:Yes you are, you're number 895 →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 09:50, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

what number am i?--[[User:spikymann|spikymann]] 10:03, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Here, [[Special:Listusers|find out for yourself]]. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 10:46, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Thanks--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 11:10, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Favorite Character List ==
It think it might be nice if some o' you guys set up a "Most Popular Character" page to find out who are the most popular main characters in the Homestar Runner universe. There seems to be enough wiki users here to get an acurate idea. In this page, people would say who their favorite character is on the talk section (and their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc favorite as well if they want.) and then someone would add them all up into a graph to show who are the most/least popular character and so on. (And remember, MAIN characters only) To keep things simple, it could be a character would get 8 "popularity points" for being a first favorite, 7 for second, 6 for third, and so on. Whoever gets the highest popularity points goes in the most favorite section. Also, only registered users count. I dunno... this could be difficult and messy and inaccuriate, but if done right it could be very interesting.
Anyways... opinions anyone? --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 15:46, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Sorry, but this here's a vote for no. I think it could be a good idea under a different venu, such as the [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page Fanstuff Wiki], or perhaps a poll in the [http://forum.hrwiki.org/ Forum]. But since this is simply a knowledge base, it wouldn't really fit in too well.
[[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 16:37, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

::I agree with Thunderbird. It's just not necessary. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::What if it was made in Fanstuff Wiki? Don't care too much if it never happens. Besides, I wouldn't have the know-how and stuff to make a page like that anyway. Someone else would have had to do it. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 17:09, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

::::Yeah, that'd be awesome. Run with it. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::::I went and I ran with it. You can check it out in the Interactive section of Fanstuff H*R Wiki. :) It's called, "Character Popularity"--[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 16:47, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Article of the day? ==

Why not have a featured article like Wikipedia?

:We don't have any featured articles, so we couldn't have a featured article of the day.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:49, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

::We could do it like the Fark.com [http://216.32.91.95/Main_Page Wiki] does it. Each month has 7 articles (one for each day of the week) that rotate around every week (with a new set every month). For instance, you create a page called [[HRWiki:Featured article/Tuesday, March]] then just do an include on the main page like:

<nowiki>== Featured article ==</nowiki> 
<nowiki>{{HRWiki:Featured article/{{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTMONTH}}}}</nowiki>

That would run automatically for a whole month with only 7 articles. --[[User:noclip|noclip]] 18:53, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

== New logo ==

How about it?

[[Image:hrwlogoidea-fixed.png]]

[[User:noclip|noclip]] 18:59, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Looks spiffy, but I really like seeing Homestar's face up there. Besides that missing, I like it a lot. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 19:14, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

::I had this alternate too

[[Image:hrlogowithhr.png]]

[[User:noclip|noclip]] 19:26, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

Talk:Main Page

Noclip — Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:25:38 GMT

Noclip: /* New logo */

File:hrlogowithhr.png

Noclip — Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:24:58 GMT

Noclip: Revised logo proposal

Revised logo proposal

Talk:Main Page

Noclip — Wed, 23 Mar 2005 01:59:39 GMT

Noclip: /* New logo */

Talk:Main Page

Noclip — Wed, 23 Mar 2005 01:59:11 GMT

Noclip: /* New logo */

Talk:Main Page

Noclip — Wed, 23 Mar 2005 01:58:17 GMT

Noclip: New logo

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Noclip — Wed, 23 Mar 2005 01:54:12 GMT

Noclip: /* Article of the day? */

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Noclip — Wed, 23 Mar 2005 01:53:23 GMT

Noclip: /* Article of the day? */

== Links to toons/pages ==

''This has been refactored.'' There was some discussion about whether "External Links" should go at the top or bottom of the page. A few people liked having them at the top for easy access to H*R.com, but it was eventually decided that they should go at the bottom, following Wikipedia's example.

== Screenshots ==
''This has been refactored.'' It would be nice if we could figure out how to make the screenshots on toon/email pages into thumbnails. This would get them out of the way so that content isn't pushed too far down the page. We need (read: Joey needs) to talk to our host about getting Image::Magick installed on the server before that will be possible.

== Upload file ==
''This has been refactored.'' There is some concern that some members of our community (or outsiders for that matter) will upload unnecessary or innappropriate images. It was decided that they could link to them just as easily as they could download them, and it's better for the images to be hosted here than free sites that may be unstable. Bandwidth is not really an issue, though it probably would spike if we allowed uploads (and consequently a lot of image downloads) from our server. There are a number of special pages we can use to monitor uploads so they will not get out of hand: [[Special:Imagelist]], [[Special:Unusedimages]].
:Is there any way to make GIF an allowed format? I don't like GIF any more than the next guy, but it's useful sometimes. For example, the 'tear' icon from [[Strong Sad's Lament]] is an animated GIF, and I'd like to upload it for posterity (since the Lydia one fell off the face of the Earth).

::We can't upload GIFs? I had no idea. I'll look into it. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 08:54, 26 Aug 2004 (MST)

::: Sorry this took me so long, but I've checked into it and it seems to me like we can upload GIFs just fine. [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] —[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 16:50, 30 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Adding the rest of the stuff ==
Okay, I did a few tweaks on AgentSeethroo's addition. We have to figure out a few things:
#How to list the Characters on the [[Characters]] page. I know the few characters we have setup now were done with categories. I don't know how we are going to get them all (secondary etc.) on one page.
#I indented the 3 Features. They are under Toons, but I know they deserve a spot on the Main Menu... any other suggestions on how to do that?
#Rejects/Everything Else - what to call the page. Or even if we need that page. Should we just list everything on the Characters page under several headings? And we have to figure out what the categories are going to be.
Ideas everyone? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:10, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay...
#I'm not a huge fan of the Character page on the old wiki, but we may have to do something similar due to the amount of character "aliases" or whatever...I'll have to think about that for a little bit.
#I think the indention is okay, but it's the only thing on the page that's indented. It makes it look kinda wierd. I also thought the [[Features]] link was gonna get ditched from the main page? Maybe I got lost sometime...
#This is gonna take some discussion I think. I think it should go byebye, and if anyone makes ANY pages that could be deemed NOT canon or not very important, like ANYTHING in rejects, it goes under the category of Misc. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 09:55, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Yeah, we need to get Joey in on this discussion. I know he had some great ideas that seem to escape me at the moment. And you are right about the indent. But maybe we could have other indents?

Some of these pages are pretty big. I know that games page might work as two pages. Then an "Old Games" page could be indented underneath or something. Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:39, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::I think that characters can be broken down, as well as games. Maybe even places...maybe...
But I don't wanna randomly start indenting and cluttering things up, either... Joey? -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 12:14, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hm. Does ''every'' character have to go on the Characters page? I think rejected characters shouldn't even show up on the Characters page. If they are linked to from the toons/emails they appear in, or if someone references them in comments, then that's fine. The pages for Rejects should be created, but they need to be designated as stubs. Or, perhaps we can have a "Disputed Characters" category (or whatever name was decided on in that poll a while back, and then create a "Disputed Characters" template that says something like, "The validity of this character is in question. If you feel that this character should be considered for placement within the 'Characters' category, discuss it on the talk page." --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::I agree. Keep them off the Characters page, and create a category for them at most. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:07, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::::Yeah, keep them off the Characters page. But okay then, we need to set up a good system of rules to determine what's going to go in that category/on that page, and say... what's an Inside Joke. And I like the template idea. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:19, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::::And quit asking for my input. I trust you guys. Do what you feel is proper. As for the "features" link, it should go. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:43, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Sketchbook? ==
I just had a thought...should we have the [[Sketchbook]] here on the main page, since it's being updated weekly (or so), or will it only be in the museum?

:That's a good question. We were behind a few weeks when they started doing the Weekly Fanstuff, because we didn't know they weren't going to archive it. I say as long as we have it somewhere and record it for now, we're good either way. If it becomes as regular as Weekly Fanstuff or the Quote of the Week, then we can add it to a more prominent place. I guess. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:13, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:: I do'd it anyway! HA! How's it look? Someone was keepin' up with it already, so I just moverized it.-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:41, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Wiki Stuff ==
Okay, now that that's kinda settled...How are we gonna format the WikiStuff section of the main page? I know not everything will be included in this new wiki, but some stuff needs a place, like HelpDesk and WikiSandbox and whatnot. Do we just follow the same formatting as the old wiki, even though it may be like 5 links and that's it? Is it possible to make a sidebar links thingy that'd show up on every page? That'd be awesome, and it'd set us apart a little more.
Also, half of the pages that we linked on the main page make me wanna barf. I wonder why we never looked these things over periodically? I mean the downloads page, on a scale of 1 to 10 is horrible.5. There's gonna have to be some major overhauling of most those pages to make them look WAY more professional. I'd like to make this a site that TBC can NOT ignore, ya know?
-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:58, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Ah, very good questions. MediaWiki has these things called "[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace Namespace]s". For example the "Category:" part of the link puts the page in the "Category" namespace. Our Wiki's namespace for pages like the sandbox and stuff would go under "Homestar Runner Wiki:" just like the [[Homestar Runner Wiki:General disclaimer]] and [[Homestar Runner Wiki:FAQ]] pages. The HelpDesk is in the "Help:" namespace. See [[Help:Contents]]. Also, a lot of that is under the "Special:" namespace: [[Special:Allpages|Allpages]], [[Special:Listusers|Listusers]], [[Special:Ipblocklist|Ipblocklist]], and so on. We can put stuff over there on the sidebar too. And yes, some of those pages are totally "barf" as you say. I couldn't agree with you more. Maybe someone else has some suggestions on all this... Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:29, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ==
The Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ''really'' needs to be shortened to just HRWiki. Sewiously. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 01:16, 14 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Any idea how I do that? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:04, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. I think I've made the change, but things are still pointing to the wrong places. Check out the "Search" page. The namespace is called the right thing there. However, the "About" and "Disclaimers" pages still point to "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:About" and "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:General_Disclaimer". I'm also looking into changing the name of "Current events" to "H*R.com updates" and making the "Community portal" link a "WikiForum" link instead. On a related note, I found a really useful page for the admins: [[Special:Allmessages]]. This lets us change all of the various system messages. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, I'm a confused kid right now. I've edited at least three of the system messages, but they aren't changing. I've changed them from the [[Special:Allmessages]] page and directly in the Languages.php file. What the heck am I doing wrong?? Specifically, I'm talking about the "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning" pages. Here's where I learned about this: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_namespace. Help! --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:47, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::Okay, our case-change stuff messed up more than I thought it would. Apparently, while I was editing "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning", I should've been editing "Portal", "Portal-url", and "Copyrightwarning". I wonder if there's some way we can limit our case-change stuff to just the HRWiki namespace. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hmm, now the WikiForum link links to a Wiki page called "http://forum..." Hrm.

== Let's Open 'er Up ==
So, lately I've had this horribly sick feeling that things have gone all wrong. This wiki is a community, and therefore a project like this should be done as a community. What we should do, above anything, is get things ready to be opened up. I'd like to see our community finish moving emails, toons, and characters (maybe I'm just lazy, but I really do feel that this is a matter of principle).

I know some of you might be freaking out and thinking that we can't trust our users to move stuff the right way, but think about this: This community has worked so far precisely because we have given everyone the freedom to edit any document. This is the wiki way! If we don't trust our community to get things right, why is this even a wiki in the first place? We might as well just have a normal website maintained by the dozen of us that are working on this migration right now.

So, what we really need to do is all the stuff that's necessary for this place to be operational. We need to build the documentation, make sure all the namespaces and options are set up the way we want them, etc. What do you guys think of this? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:31, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay, this is a little scary. I think for the mostpart, you're right, but we still have to issue of page load. If we open up both the old wiki and the new wiki to everybody, things are going to slow to a crawl again. Can you think of any solution to this? Also, I'm afraid we'll have tons of collision problems with lots of people working on the same documents at the same time. And a lot of people are going to try to copy-and-past things the lazy way, without taking the time to fix links, etc. I agree that this should be a community effort, but I think we have to resolve those issues first. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::I know you guys know I'm against opening it up. We don't even have any of our help page written yet. Or have the copyrights worked out: we have one place that says GNU and one place that says CC. And Jones is right about that page load. and the everyone doing everything at once thing. Just some more stuff to think about.
::As to the problem Joey's dealing with: our not giving everyone the freedom to edit... I think that would create more problems. Joey's right, giving everyone editing rights makes the wiki better, but that happens over a longer period of time. Right now we have to think on the short term. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::I agree with the Tom and Jones. This place is still a wiki, people will still be able to edit it when it opens up. Lettin' everyone on right now, even to help, would be kinda like lettin' a bunch of kids into an amusement park before it's finished and saying "You have to help us finish, though." There. My two cents. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 08:34, 31 Aug 2004 (MST)

== CSS Tweaks ==
Joey, could you increase the paragraph (P tags) spacing in the CSS? It's a little difficult to make out paragraph boundaries right now. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Working on it... --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Done. Sorry it took me so long. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Case issues ==
I just noticed something that might be an issue. Since we made case matter (for the emails), we now have the issue of [[Ballad of the Sneak]] and [[Ballad of The Sneak]] (and every other case variation) being two completely distinct pages. Is this going to be a problem? -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:39, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:This is already a problem on Wikipedia for any word after the first word. For instance, try looking up "George bush". We'll (and when I say we, I'm talking about the whole community, not just us admins) just have to pay close attention and create redirects where necessary -- at least until all the links can be fixed. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:56, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Okay, "George bush" is a bad example because there's already a redirect. Try "Greek orthodox". --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:57, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, no probalo. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]

::::Yeah, we have this issue with [[The Paper]] and [[The paper]]. I think Joey did the redirect for that. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Flash file links ==
Okay, so this has kinda been buggin' me for a while. Whoever first called it "watch this video in fullscreen" obviously had no idea they were linking to the actual raw flash file. Since then, we've continued to call it "watch this video in fullscreen". Can we change it to "download the flash file of this video", or something more meaningful? What do you think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:34, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Hm, I guess you're right. Though I wish you'd mentioned it before I did all the toons. :D Anyway, "download" isn't quite the right term, since it'll just play in most people's browsers. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:52, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. It downloads in Firefox, but I guess that's probably a preference setting. "view the flash file"? "watch the flash file"? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::"view the Flash file" seems good to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 11:32, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::We could use a template, like: <nowiki>[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail50.swf Download the Flash file] {{swf}}</nowiki>, and the <nowiki>{{swf}}</nowiki> prints a small boilerplate saying it may download the Flash file or it may instead view it in "fullscreen". - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 13:48, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Convertulator suggestions ==

StrongBadEmail should be automagically changed to [[Strong Bad Email]]. Anyplace where StrongBadEmail/ appears, it should be removed, so [[StrongBadEmail/flashback]] automagically becomes [[flashback]]. Only problem would be links like this: [[StrongBadEmail/flashback|flashback]]. They would turn out like this: [[flashback|flashback]], which I suppose isn't a big deal, but it's unnecessary bloat. We'll just have to watch for those. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:39, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've implemented your suggestions. However, I did find one small bug. If you have a (()) Wiki link that itself is in parentheses, e.g. "(((Some Page)) here)", the Convertulator will convert the first pair of parentheses, yielding <nowiki>[[(Some Page]] here)</nowiki>. There's no easy fix for this, so unfortunately we'll just have to just be on the lookout for it. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 14:17, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Characters featured ==

While adding Filmography categories, I noticed something. The featured characters lists don't seem to be in any particular order. I've been alphabetizing for the filmography categories, but I think the "Featured:" list should be in order of appearance. Maybe it should say...

'''Cast (in order of appearance): [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]], [[Homsar]]'''

What do you guys think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:53, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've always tried to do them in order of appearance. Seems like a good standard to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:54, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Navigation links on left ==

Two, maybe three of the nav links on the left have odd tooltips.

*'''Main Page''' - Visit the main page [alt-z]
**This is fine.
*'''Strong Bad Email''' - About the project, what you can do, where to find things
**Obviously this isn't what it is at all.
*'''H*R.com updates''' - Find background information on current events
**And nor is this ''really''.
*'''Recent changes''' - The list of recent changes in the wiki. [alt-r]
**Also fine.
*'''Random page''' - Load a random page. [alt-x]
**Also fine.
*'''Help''' - The place to find out.
**Slightly odd?

Also, we probably ought to have shortcuts for everything or nothing.

:Very good catch. I didn't even notice that the alt text was still set for the default links that used to be there. We also need to get the external links to the WikiForum and the WikiChat there as well. Thanks for the heads up, "84.9.23.83". -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:34, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

:You're welcome! I've got myself a proper account now. - [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 11:00, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Inside jokes ==

Why are [[Inside Jokes]] classified as "wiki stuff"? They are part of the content of H*R, and do not refer to the workings of the wiki. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 00:31, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I guess Rejects are in that same catagory. Plus things like the glossary just kind of float somewhere in between. I think some reformatting of the section definitions are in order, as long as the Main Page is recieving an overhaul. Any additional design suggestions? -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:35, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I was just doing some more thinking, and what about having the Knowledge Base contain ONLY the things listed on the H*R main page(s), and put everything left over into Wiki Stuff. Basically it would look something like this, and would have the added bonus of evening the two sections out, leaving External Links on the bottom...

* [[Toons]]
** [[Strong Bad Email]]
** [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]
** [[Teen Girl Squad]]
** [[Powered By The Cheat]]
** [[Puppet Stuff]]
** [[Holiday Toons]]
* [[Games]]
* [[Characters]]
* [[Downloads]]
* [[Store]]
* [[Email]]
* [[Legal]]
* [[Main Pages]]
** [[Weekly Fanstuff]]
** [[Quote of the Week]]
** [[Sketchbook]]
* [[Museum]]
* [[Secret Pages]]

Then this to the right of it: (Perhaps the first part in an additional section)

* [[Places]]
* [[Items]]
* [[Songs]]
* [[Quotes]]
* [[Glossary]]
* [[Inside Jokes]]
(Perhaps another section here?)
* [[Special:Listusers|List of registered wiki users]]
* [[Links]]
* [[Sightings]]
* [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]]
* [[HRWiki:Ledger|Ledger]]
* [[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]]
* [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]
* [[WikiTroll]]
* [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]]

Then the external links in another catergory. Does anyone like this idea? I think it draws a clearer distinction between things organized by the site, and additional Knowledge sorted by the Wiki. I think a clearer illustration would be that the Knowlege base is simply the 10 vegetables, and the Wiki Stuff is all the different salads they can be made into. Does anyone understand this very abstract illustration? As of now there is no clear line drawn, and many pages float in between. At the very least pages like [[Inside Jokes]] and [[Songs]] seem to be in the same catergory and in my opinion should be sorted accordingly. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:48, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

The Wiki Stuff should be for all the internal housekeeping pages like help pages, list of Trolls, ongoing projects and the like. The material that branches out from the core H*R content like [[Sightings]] can be grouped together, but they are not Wiki specific things. -[[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 12:44, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Then what about renaming the section, or even adding a seperate section? Perhaps name that one something like... 'Base Knowledge', and the other one like 'Secondary Knowledge', or something like that. Then have Wiki Troll, Ledger, Ect. under 'Wiki Stuff'. Or move EVERYTHING H*R related to Knowlege base, including Inside Jokes, ect, but that would make the menu look very offset... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 12:58, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Does anybody have an opinion about my idea? I think it's a good layout... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 22:56, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

== New Format = <strike>Banners</strike>? ==

I like the new format, it does make the title screen smaller, and more... colorful, I guess, but what happened to those cool banners? Any way to incorporate them into the design at the tops of the boxes? They really gave the main page a distinct look, and I would like to see them live again. If they don't fit, could whoever made them maybe remake one or two for a custom fit? I dunno, just a suggestion. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:28, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also as long as we're on the topic of the new format, what about moving the External Links to below the Wiki Stuff section? There's alot of unused space there. Might even get the page to one screen, without scrolling. Plus should anyone put the explanations of the links back? There seems to be a lack of explanations, only half the links have them. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:32, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Ah ha. I uploaded the banners to [[:Image:officialsite-banner.png]], [[:Image:wikipages-banner.png]], and [[:Image:externallinks-banner.png]]. I'm hoping that someone will come up with something similar that will work with this format. I'm thinking the width should be limited to around 100px.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:16, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I don't see what was wrong with a lil' scrolling. I'm taking this very harshly. It was my only reminder of the old wiki. --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 14:08, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:It reminds me a lot of Wikipedia. Maybe to much. I'm thinkin' we need something to "liven" the page up a bit, maybe like an official "Homestar Runner Wiki" banner across the top of the page. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

== Other New Format comments ==

Oh, gosh, I looked at the new format and I almost lost my lunch. It's so ugly! I really think the old banners should be back! Is there a way we can get them back?

[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 17:04, 17 Nov 2004

I agree, the Banners are needed. Any way to put them along the tops of the colored boxes, even custom stretching them to fit? I think that would look rather good. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 16:33, 17 Nov 2004 (

:It's not that big of a deal. If you puked over this, I'd hate to ride a Tilt-A-Whirl with you. Get over it. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::I'm starting to notice a pattern of people percieving improvements as being evil here, first with the switchover from Tavi to this, then the reformatting of the front page. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 02:53, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::If there's one thing that never changes, it's that people are afraid of change, no matter how much it improves their lives. Never try to give your grandma a new TV. Anyway, the banners aren't gone for good. The ones we were using just don't fit in the new layout. And just so we're clear: messing about with the front page just because you "liked it better before" is trolling and will be handled as such. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

::uh, how does this change improve my life? I guess the layout is more functional, but as for improvement, I don't think it really adds anything to the site.

::: I agree. It looks more crowded and ugly. Needs more color, like the homestar runner website. Keeping the new layout is fine, we just need smaller banners. (Btw, why is keeping the old layout trolling, yet putting up a worse layout not? I agree with your point, I just find that statement a very harsh thing that goes agenst the wiki spirit.) Also, this layout looks like crap at 800x600 --[[User:James|James]] 13:52, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)
::::The reason reverting to the old layout is trolling is quite simple: Tom (one of the mods) is the one that did the redesign, and since the mods have the most say in how the Wiki is set up, they have authority. Changing it back because you don't like this new version, therefore, is showing contempt for the mods and so on and so forth. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 14:58, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::::What about coming up with a better design that everyone likes? Is this ok? --[[User:James|James]] 18:22, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::Can't we settle this with a vote? --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 18:17, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::I don't know. Whichever wins, a whole mess of people would be mad. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::Afraid of change, no. Liked the banners, yes. :( --[[User:Southpaw018|Southpaw018]] 21:47, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::The banners were awesome and the new design is awful. I downloaded the banners (thanks Tom) and I am willing to make new ones (that's part of what I do for a living). I will make a couple and see what everyone thinks.-[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]

::I'll help if you need it. I made the origenal banners that started this whole thing off anyway. :-) --[[User:James|James]] 14:46, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::DONE! Here is one --> [[:Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]. I kept the theme of the old banners. If there are any changes you would like to see, tell me. Let me know if you want to use these and I will make the other two.-[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]

:::Thats a little small, ain't it? what about something 200 pixels wide? --[[User:James|James]] 18:33, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::[[Image:knowledgebase-banner-200px.png]] {200 x 50 px} [[Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]{100 x 50 px} -[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]
:::: That looks great! Could you make the other two sctions also? The "External Links" one might have to be larger, as that section goes all the way across the bottom of the page. --[[User:James|James]] 12:47, 23 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::: I will go ahead and do the other two soon. I am going to do them all the same size and then we can decide if the one needs to be bigger and exactly how much bigger.[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]] 20:20, 23 Nov 2004 (MST)

::::Nevermind...External links has been moved.[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]] 09:17, 24 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also, it is really annoying that the "knowledge base" frame is about 10% bigger than the "Wiki Stuff" frame. Why is this?-[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]

::Yes! I've been noticing this and it's driving me up the wall. If anything, the "Wiki stuff" frame should be bigger simply because there is more text that wraps on it. Having it smaller then "Knowledge base" is retarded, mostly since the "Knowledge base" frame has very little text that extends all the way to the border. --[[User:James|James]] 18:21, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

I just did a quick preview of the main page with equal frames and it looks so much better then when it's 10% off. Theres absolutely no reason I see for the 10% diffrence. Or is there something I'm missing? --[[User:James|James]] 18:26, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::Hi James. I'm glad you are thinking of changes for the Main Page. However, I'd like to ask that you refrain from using words such as "retarded" as this can be offensive to developmentally disabled people.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:04, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::::Ok. Sorry. --[[User:James|James]] 17:09, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::::ARGH! I just started this thread to comment, not to have a "This is better, shut up this is better" argument. I was figuratively saying that I almost lost my lunch. I don't really give a care if we go back to the banners and just keep our look. I was just offering an opinion. --[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 13:29, 24 Nov 2004 (CST)

== New Banners ==

I'm happy to see that [[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]] has created some proposals for new banners. I'm sure as many of you have already done, I've tried them on the page in a quick "preview". (Please note that they most likely will be contained in code like ''<nowiki><div style="float:right;margin-left:1em;width:100px">[[Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]</div></nowiki>'' so that they will float to the appropriate area in the section.) While they do add somewhat to the page, I think they could be improved upon. While a small width must be maintained, I don't think it would create a problem if the image had a greater height. If anyone cares to propose more images, just add them to the discussion here.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:40, 26 Nov 2004 (MST)

== The Character Silhouettes ==

I think Joey Day has the solution for us, looking at the main page now. Skipping the whole banners or no argument and doing something that integrates itself perfectly into the new design? Very very nice. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 14:06, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

:I love those, but perhaps resize one to be the same general dimensions as the other? It bothers me slightly. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 14:43, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

::Hm. I actually shrunk Strong Bad a bit because I thought he looked too big compared to Homestar. Now that I've watched a few toons I've realized Strond Bad just has a really big head. I'm not at home now or I would redo the image right now. I'll try to do it later tonight. [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] —[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 16:09, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

:One other small adjustment: I think the characters could stand to be just a little darker; I can hardly see them on my laptop unless I move my screen to just the right angle. Otherwise, it looks really good. Nice job, JoeyDay. --[[User:oddtodd|oddtodd]] 14:41, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

== Enhancement/Modification of Logo==

Props to the individual who tweaked the wiki's main logo image that appears in the upper left-hand corner. It certainly says something about our wiki - I love the polished look and it really is a marked improvement. --[[User:The Paper|The Paper]] 15:02, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

:Thanks. I've been meaning to modify it for some time now. The text was way too small before. Did you also notice I swapped out the default mediawiki background for a more better homestar styled background? You can see it best on a short page like [[Labor Day|this one]]. [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] —[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 22:41, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

::Now that's really cool. I like both the new logo and the new background. --[[User:oddtodd|oddtodd]] 20:28, 2 Dec 2004 (MST)
::Yeah, I like the new background and logo. You may as well call it Mono[[The Field|TheField]]. [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]-<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|✎</tt>]] 20:37, 22 Dec 2004 (MST)

:: Good call on the background. I never noticed. But yea, now I notice a lack of lines along the top. You've really done a good job of personalizing the Wiki. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 12:47, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)

== Hello ==

What is a wiki, this is crazy, can someone like tell me what to do, i look at HR weekly, anyone got any new updates

:One thing is we use correct grammar. Which includes correct capitolization and punctuation. To find out about this "crazy place", read up at the [[HRWiki:About]] page, or ask up any questions in the [[Help:Contents|Help Desk]]. (Oh, and for updates, there's a little thing called [http://www.homestarrunner.com homestarrunner.com] where there's this thing in the corner. It usually has updates, if I'm not mistaking. :) ) But anyways, a wiki is very easy to use if you know how, which you will learn at the [[HRWiki:About]] page. Trust me. You'll love it here if you decide to stick around.→''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

== Gr8 Job! ==

You guys do a great job at keeping troublemakers from ruining this site.

If someone would have asked me about the concept of Wiki before I saw it in action, I probably would have been very skeptical that trasher control would be effective.

Boy was I wrong.

Thanks FortyTwo and all you great detrollers out there!

:Wow, A shoutout! *sniff* I'm touched... Thanks! --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 19:53, 28 Dec 2004 (MST)

== What the crap? ==

Why am I not on the list of registered users? --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]

:You're number 439.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:42, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)

== 2004/2005 Tsunami Donation Link ==

I was just reading up on the [[Wikipedia:2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake|Indian Ocean Earthquake]] and realized how incredibly horrible this event was, and I'm seriously thinking we need some kind of banner to a donation link to the Wikipedia donation page. Or something like that. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

How very specific your request is.
-[[User:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf|Fhq]]

Fhq, what's your point? It's a good idea, don't give him crap because he's thinking larger than himself.
Bird, perhaps you should send Joey a PM on the forum. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]

:Just in case anyone was wondering, we won't be adding a notice to the Main Page. If you'd like to put a notice on your userpage, that would be acceptable.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:14, 7 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Dubious reference solution ==

Over the past few Strongbad e-mail articles, I've read a lot of (to be frank) farfetched suggestions of references that TBCs are presumably making to other stuff. Maybe, if you're 100% sure that something is intended as a reference (for example, a character name or line very specific to one TV show), then it's fine to say it's a reference. But if something just seems to remind you of something else (for example, a song that sounds kinda-sorta like a song that was played in the 23rd episode of some TV series), then it's more accurate to say that it is '''reminiscent''' of something, rather than a reference to something.

Just a suggestion.

:A wonderful suggestion, and it goes along with the ongoing discussion we are having regarding the overhaul of our current fun fact system. Thank you for your concern and idea.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:52, 13 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Locking down the main page ==

I visited today and noticed that the main page had been defaced. Someone else restored the last known good version, but it seems to me that the front page should not be editable by just anyone for this exact reason. Even the main page of Wikipedia is off-limits to anyone except staff...
:Yeah, I want the main page protected as well... [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]-<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|✎</tt>]] 14:05, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)
-It happened again. This must be done NOW.

:Look, the template does nothing to prevent trolling; it's a redundancy. Locking down the Main Page is a good way to go, since nothing really changes there, anyway. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 14:26, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

I find it funny how the MediaWiki's been around for at least 5 months now and only NOW are people starting to complain about wanting the Main Page locked down. Personally, I think it's prime idiot bait, as in "if you deface the main page, you're automatically not fit to be on the wiki." --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 15:02, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

You could have a way to detect whether someone is severely defaceing the page or not. --[[User:67.161.224.65|67.161.224.65]]

::Okay, due to several requests and the seeming lack of need to update the Main Page, I've protected it. Please note that I do not like having it protected, this being a wiki and all, but I agree that it really doesn't need to be edited that much and is just sitting there as troll fodder. Thanks to all who helped with that last batch of defacement.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:12, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

:::I never change the main page, so I'm pretty happy with that, but I do have one concern. Might the Trollers who automatically go to work on the Main Page to start with, now be forced to move onto smaller, harder to detect defacements on other pages? What if we're only spreading the diease? [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 18:46, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::::A good concern, and lucky for me I have this wonderful ditty to cite:
::::''...the fact is that for every troll with too much spare time, there are 100 users with just as much spare time ready and eager to undo that troll's (un)work. The fact is, the trolls always get bored before the users do, because the users are emotionally invested in what they've created and the Wiki moves fast enough that the average trolling only lasts about two minutes before it's reverted. A troll's work is hardly ever noticed by anybody, but a legitimate user's work is always noticed and appreciated. That's why wikis work. — InterruptorJones 15:37, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)'' ([[User_talk:FireBird#Question_from_Troll|ref]])
::::Simply put, that's just how wikis work. We'll notice no matter where or how small, and they will get tired.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:55, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::::::That is, unless said troll or trolls are emotionally invested in destroying the wiki. --Guest

::Good answer, thanks. Come to think of it, I guess if everyone has on their watchlist the pages they created, or just care for, then likely whatever page is edited will be watched by SOMEBODY. Thanks for the quick reply. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 17:36, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Rejects? ==
Where did Rejects go?? What the? -- Asploder

:Away. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 23:57, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)

::Yes, they're all categorised now, but I don't know where they went. [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|✎</tt>]] 18:08, 14 Feb 2005 (MST)

They all went to better places. Characters are now characters, items are now classified as items. Fancy that ;) [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 21:48, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

== Confusion over moving dates ==

The [[Main Page]] says that HRWiki will be moving 'from early Friday morning (Feb. 25) to late Sunday evening (Feb. 27)', but every other page says 'early Friday morning (Mar. 4) to late Sunday evening (Mar. 6)'. Someone should probably fix that on the main page, as it appears it's not closed presently. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 05:04, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)

:The date changed. A hard refresh (likely ctrl+F5) of the Main Page should clear your cache and solve the problem.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:16, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

== New ==

Hi, I'm new and not on the list.--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 09:19, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)
:Yes you are, you're number 895 →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 09:50, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

what number am i?--[[User:spikymann|spikymann]] 10:03, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Here, [[Special:Listusers|find out for yourself]]. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 10:46, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Thanks--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 11:10, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Favorite Character List ==
It think it might be nice if some o' you guys set up a "Most Popular Character" page to find out who are the most popular main characters in the Homestar Runner universe. There seems to be enough wiki users here to get an acurate idea. In this page, people would say who their favorite character is on the talk section (and their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc favorite as well if they want.) and then someone would add them all up into a graph to show who are the most/least popular character and so on. (And remember, MAIN characters only) To keep things simple, it could be a character would get 8 "popularity points" for being a first favorite, 7 for second, 6 for third, and so on. Whoever gets the highest popularity points goes in the most favorite section. Also, only registered users count. I dunno... this could be difficult and messy and inaccuriate, but if done right it could be very interesting.
Anyways... opinions anyone? --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 15:46, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Sorry, but this here's a vote for no. I think it could be a good idea under a different venu, such as the [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page Fanstuff Wiki], or perhaps a poll in the [http://forum.hrwiki.org/ Forum]. But since this is simply a knowledge base, it wouldn't really fit in too well.
[[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 16:37, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

::I agree with Thunderbird. It's just not necessary. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::What if it was made in Fanstuff Wiki? Don't care too much if it never happens. Besides, I wouldn't have the know-how and stuff to make a page like that anyway. Someone else would have had to do it. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 17:09, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

::::Yeah, that'd be awesome. Run with it. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::::I went and I ran with it. You can check it out in the Interactive section of Fanstuff H*R Wiki. :) It's called, "Character Popularity"--[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 16:47, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Article of the day? ==

Why not have a featured article like Wikipedia?

:We don't have any featured articles, so we couldn't have a featured article of the day.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:49, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

::We could do it like the Fark.com [http://216.32.91.95/Main_Page Wiki] does it. Each month has 7 articles (one for each day of the week) that rotate around every month. For instance, you create a page called [[HRWiki:Featured article/Tuesday, March]] then just do an include on the main page like:

<nowiki>== Featured article ==</nowiki> 
<nowiki>{{HRWiki:Featured article/{{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTMONTH}}}}</nowiki>

That would run automatically for a whole month with only 7 articles. --[[User:noclip|noclip]] 18:53, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

User:Noclip

Noclip — Wed, 23 Mar 2005 01:50:14 GMT

Noclip:

I don't have a user page.

Talk:Main Page

Noclip — Wed, 23 Mar 2005 01:49:53 GMT

Noclip: /* Article of the day? */

== Links to toons/pages ==

''This has been refactored.'' There was some discussion about whether "External Links" should go at the top or bottom of the page. A few people liked having them at the top for easy access to H*R.com, but it was eventually decided that they should go at the bottom, following Wikipedia's example.

== Screenshots ==
''This has been refactored.'' It would be nice if we could figure out how to make the screenshots on toon/email pages into thumbnails. This would get them out of the way so that content isn't pushed too far down the page. We need (read: Joey needs) to talk to our host about getting Image::Magick installed on the server before that will be possible.

== Upload file ==
''This has been refactored.'' There is some concern that some members of our community (or outsiders for that matter) will upload unnecessary or innappropriate images. It was decided that they could link to them just as easily as they could download them, and it's better for the images to be hosted here than free sites that may be unstable. Bandwidth is not really an issue, though it probably would spike if we allowed uploads (and consequently a lot of image downloads) from our server. There are a number of special pages we can use to monitor uploads so they will not get out of hand: [[Special:Imagelist]], [[Special:Unusedimages]].
:Is there any way to make GIF an allowed format? I don't like GIF any more than the next guy, but it's useful sometimes. For example, the 'tear' icon from [[Strong Sad's Lament]] is an animated GIF, and I'd like to upload it for posterity (since the Lydia one fell off the face of the Earth).

::We can't upload GIFs? I had no idea. I'll look into it. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 08:54, 26 Aug 2004 (MST)

::: Sorry this took me so long, but I've checked into it and it seems to me like we can upload GIFs just fine. [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] —[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 16:50, 30 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Adding the rest of the stuff ==
Okay, I did a few tweaks on AgentSeethroo's addition. We have to figure out a few things:
#How to list the Characters on the [[Characters]] page. I know the few characters we have setup now were done with categories. I don't know how we are going to get them all (secondary etc.) on one page.
#I indented the 3 Features. They are under Toons, but I know they deserve a spot on the Main Menu... any other suggestions on how to do that?
#Rejects/Everything Else - what to call the page. Or even if we need that page. Should we just list everything on the Characters page under several headings? And we have to figure out what the categories are going to be.
Ideas everyone? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:10, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay...
#I'm not a huge fan of the Character page on the old wiki, but we may have to do something similar due to the amount of character "aliases" or whatever...I'll have to think about that for a little bit.
#I think the indention is okay, but it's the only thing on the page that's indented. It makes it look kinda wierd. I also thought the [[Features]] link was gonna get ditched from the main page? Maybe I got lost sometime...
#This is gonna take some discussion I think. I think it should go byebye, and if anyone makes ANY pages that could be deemed NOT canon or not very important, like ANYTHING in rejects, it goes under the category of Misc. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 09:55, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Yeah, we need to get Joey in on this discussion. I know he had some great ideas that seem to escape me at the moment. And you are right about the indent. But maybe we could have other indents?

Some of these pages are pretty big. I know that games page might work as two pages. Then an "Old Games" page could be indented underneath or something. Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:39, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::I think that characters can be broken down, as well as games. Maybe even places...maybe...
But I don't wanna randomly start indenting and cluttering things up, either... Joey? -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 12:14, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hm. Does ''every'' character have to go on the Characters page? I think rejected characters shouldn't even show up on the Characters page. If they are linked to from the toons/emails they appear in, or if someone references them in comments, then that's fine. The pages for Rejects should be created, but they need to be designated as stubs. Or, perhaps we can have a "Disputed Characters" category (or whatever name was decided on in that poll a while back, and then create a "Disputed Characters" template that says something like, "The validity of this character is in question. If you feel that this character should be considered for placement within the 'Characters' category, discuss it on the talk page." --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::I agree. Keep them off the Characters page, and create a category for them at most. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:07, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::::Yeah, keep them off the Characters page. But okay then, we need to set up a good system of rules to determine what's going to go in that category/on that page, and say... what's an Inside Joke. And I like the template idea. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:19, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::::And quit asking for my input. I trust you guys. Do what you feel is proper. As for the "features" link, it should go. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:43, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Sketchbook? ==
I just had a thought...should we have the [[Sketchbook]] here on the main page, since it's being updated weekly (or so), or will it only be in the museum?

:That's a good question. We were behind a few weeks when they started doing the Weekly Fanstuff, because we didn't know they weren't going to archive it. I say as long as we have it somewhere and record it for now, we're good either way. If it becomes as regular as Weekly Fanstuff or the Quote of the Week, then we can add it to a more prominent place. I guess. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:13, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:: I do'd it anyway! HA! How's it look? Someone was keepin' up with it already, so I just moverized it.-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:41, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Wiki Stuff ==
Okay, now that that's kinda settled...How are we gonna format the WikiStuff section of the main page? I know not everything will be included in this new wiki, but some stuff needs a place, like HelpDesk and WikiSandbox and whatnot. Do we just follow the same formatting as the old wiki, even though it may be like 5 links and that's it? Is it possible to make a sidebar links thingy that'd show up on every page? That'd be awesome, and it'd set us apart a little more.
Also, half of the pages that we linked on the main page make me wanna barf. I wonder why we never looked these things over periodically? I mean the downloads page, on a scale of 1 to 10 is horrible.5. There's gonna have to be some major overhauling of most those pages to make them look WAY more professional. I'd like to make this a site that TBC can NOT ignore, ya know?
-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:58, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Ah, very good questions. MediaWiki has these things called "[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace Namespace]s". For example the "Category:" part of the link puts the page in the "Category" namespace. Our Wiki's namespace for pages like the sandbox and stuff would go under "Homestar Runner Wiki:" just like the [[Homestar Runner Wiki:General disclaimer]] and [[Homestar Runner Wiki:FAQ]] pages. The HelpDesk is in the "Help:" namespace. See [[Help:Contents]]. Also, a lot of that is under the "Special:" namespace: [[Special:Allpages|Allpages]], [[Special:Listusers|Listusers]], [[Special:Ipblocklist|Ipblocklist]], and so on. We can put stuff over there on the sidebar too. And yes, some of those pages are totally "barf" as you say. I couldn't agree with you more. Maybe someone else has some suggestions on all this... Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:29, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ==
The Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ''really'' needs to be shortened to just HRWiki. Sewiously. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 01:16, 14 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Any idea how I do that? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:04, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. I think I've made the change, but things are still pointing to the wrong places. Check out the "Search" page. The namespace is called the right thing there. However, the "About" and "Disclaimers" pages still point to "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:About" and "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:General_Disclaimer". I'm also looking into changing the name of "Current events" to "H*R.com updates" and making the "Community portal" link a "WikiForum" link instead. On a related note, I found a really useful page for the admins: [[Special:Allmessages]]. This lets us change all of the various system messages. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, I'm a confused kid right now. I've edited at least three of the system messages, but they aren't changing. I've changed them from the [[Special:Allmessages]] page and directly in the Languages.php file. What the heck am I doing wrong?? Specifically, I'm talking about the "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning" pages. Here's where I learned about this: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_namespace. Help! --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:47, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::Okay, our case-change stuff messed up more than I thought it would. Apparently, while I was editing "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning", I should've been editing "Portal", "Portal-url", and "Copyrightwarning". I wonder if there's some way we can limit our case-change stuff to just the HRWiki namespace. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hmm, now the WikiForum link links to a Wiki page called "http://forum..." Hrm.

== Let's Open 'er Up ==
So, lately I've had this horribly sick feeling that things have gone all wrong. This wiki is a community, and therefore a project like this should be done as a community. What we should do, above anything, is get things ready to be opened up. I'd like to see our community finish moving emails, toons, and characters (maybe I'm just lazy, but I really do feel that this is a matter of principle).

I know some of you might be freaking out and thinking that we can't trust our users to move stuff the right way, but think about this: This community has worked so far precisely because we have given everyone the freedom to edit any document. This is the wiki way! If we don't trust our community to get things right, why is this even a wiki in the first place? We might as well just have a normal website maintained by the dozen of us that are working on this migration right now.

So, what we really need to do is all the stuff that's necessary for this place to be operational. We need to build the documentation, make sure all the namespaces and options are set up the way we want them, etc. What do you guys think of this? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:31, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay, this is a little scary. I think for the mostpart, you're right, but we still have to issue of page load. If we open up both the old wiki and the new wiki to everybody, things are going to slow to a crawl again. Can you think of any solution to this? Also, I'm afraid we'll have tons of collision problems with lots of people working on the same documents at the same time. And a lot of people are going to try to copy-and-past things the lazy way, without taking the time to fix links, etc. I agree that this should be a community effort, but I think we have to resolve those issues first. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::I know you guys know I'm against opening it up. We don't even have any of our help page written yet. Or have the copyrights worked out: we have one place that says GNU and one place that says CC. And Jones is right about that page load. and the everyone doing everything at once thing. Just some more stuff to think about.
::As to the problem Joey's dealing with: our not giving everyone the freedom to edit... I think that would create more problems. Joey's right, giving everyone editing rights makes the wiki better, but that happens over a longer period of time. Right now we have to think on the short term. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::I agree with the Tom and Jones. This place is still a wiki, people will still be able to edit it when it opens up. Lettin' everyone on right now, even to help, would be kinda like lettin' a bunch of kids into an amusement park before it's finished and saying "You have to help us finish, though." There. My two cents. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 08:34, 31 Aug 2004 (MST)

== CSS Tweaks ==
Joey, could you increase the paragraph (P tags) spacing in the CSS? It's a little difficult to make out paragraph boundaries right now. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Working on it... --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Done. Sorry it took me so long. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Case issues ==
I just noticed something that might be an issue. Since we made case matter (for the emails), we now have the issue of [[Ballad of the Sneak]] and [[Ballad of The Sneak]] (and every other case variation) being two completely distinct pages. Is this going to be a problem? -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:39, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:This is already a problem on Wikipedia for any word after the first word. For instance, try looking up "George bush". We'll (and when I say we, I'm talking about the whole community, not just us admins) just have to pay close attention and create redirects where necessary -- at least until all the links can be fixed. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:56, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Okay, "George bush" is a bad example because there's already a redirect. Try "Greek orthodox". --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:57, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, no probalo. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]

::::Yeah, we have this issue with [[The Paper]] and [[The paper]]. I think Joey did the redirect for that. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Flash file links ==
Okay, so this has kinda been buggin' me for a while. Whoever first called it "watch this video in fullscreen" obviously had no idea they were linking to the actual raw flash file. Since then, we've continued to call it "watch this video in fullscreen". Can we change it to "download the flash file of this video", or something more meaningful? What do you think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:34, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Hm, I guess you're right. Though I wish you'd mentioned it before I did all the toons. :D Anyway, "download" isn't quite the right term, since it'll just play in most people's browsers. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:52, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. It downloads in Firefox, but I guess that's probably a preference setting. "view the flash file"? "watch the flash file"? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::"view the Flash file" seems good to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 11:32, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::We could use a template, like: <nowiki>[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail50.swf Download the Flash file] {{swf}}</nowiki>, and the <nowiki>{{swf}}</nowiki> prints a small boilerplate saying it may download the Flash file or it may instead view it in "fullscreen". - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 13:48, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Convertulator suggestions ==

StrongBadEmail should be automagically changed to [[Strong Bad Email]]. Anyplace where StrongBadEmail/ appears, it should be removed, so [[StrongBadEmail/flashback]] automagically becomes [[flashback]]. Only problem would be links like this: [[StrongBadEmail/flashback|flashback]]. They would turn out like this: [[flashback|flashback]], which I suppose isn't a big deal, but it's unnecessary bloat. We'll just have to watch for those. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:39, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've implemented your suggestions. However, I did find one small bug. If you have a (()) Wiki link that itself is in parentheses, e.g. "(((Some Page)) here)", the Convertulator will convert the first pair of parentheses, yielding <nowiki>[[(Some Page]] here)</nowiki>. There's no easy fix for this, so unfortunately we'll just have to just be on the lookout for it. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 14:17, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Characters featured ==

While adding Filmography categories, I noticed something. The featured characters lists don't seem to be in any particular order. I've been alphabetizing for the filmography categories, but I think the "Featured:" list should be in order of appearance. Maybe it should say...

'''Cast (in order of appearance): [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]], [[Homsar]]'''

What do you guys think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:53, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've always tried to do them in order of appearance. Seems like a good standard to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:54, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Navigation links on left ==

Two, maybe three of the nav links on the left have odd tooltips.

*'''Main Page''' - Visit the main page [alt-z]
**This is fine.
*'''Strong Bad Email''' - About the project, what you can do, where to find things
**Obviously this isn't what it is at all.
*'''H*R.com updates''' - Find background information on current events
**And nor is this ''really''.
*'''Recent changes''' - The list of recent changes in the wiki. [alt-r]
**Also fine.
*'''Random page''' - Load a random page. [alt-x]
**Also fine.
*'''Help''' - The place to find out.
**Slightly odd?

Also, we probably ought to have shortcuts for everything or nothing.

:Very good catch. I didn't even notice that the alt text was still set for the default links that used to be there. We also need to get the external links to the WikiForum and the WikiChat there as well. Thanks for the heads up, "84.9.23.83". -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:34, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

:You're welcome! I've got myself a proper account now. - [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 11:00, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Inside jokes ==

Why are [[Inside Jokes]] classified as "wiki stuff"? They are part of the content of H*R, and do not refer to the workings of the wiki. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 00:31, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I guess Rejects are in that same catagory. Plus things like the glossary just kind of float somewhere in between. I think some reformatting of the section definitions are in order, as long as the Main Page is recieving an overhaul. Any additional design suggestions? -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:35, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I was just doing some more thinking, and what about having the Knowledge Base contain ONLY the things listed on the H*R main page(s), and put everything left over into Wiki Stuff. Basically it would look something like this, and would have the added bonus of evening the two sections out, leaving External Links on the bottom...

* [[Toons]]
** [[Strong Bad Email]]
** [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]
** [[Teen Girl Squad]]
** [[Powered By The Cheat]]
** [[Puppet Stuff]]
** [[Holiday Toons]]
* [[Games]]
* [[Characters]]
* [[Downloads]]
* [[Store]]
* [[Email]]
* [[Legal]]
* [[Main Pages]]
** [[Weekly Fanstuff]]
** [[Quote of the Week]]
** [[Sketchbook]]
* [[Museum]]
* [[Secret Pages]]

Then this to the right of it: (Perhaps the first part in an additional section)

* [[Places]]
* [[Items]]
* [[Songs]]
* [[Quotes]]
* [[Glossary]]
* [[Inside Jokes]]
(Perhaps another section here?)
* [[Special:Listusers|List of registered wiki users]]
* [[Links]]
* [[Sightings]]
* [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]]
* [[HRWiki:Ledger|Ledger]]
* [[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]]
* [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]
* [[WikiTroll]]
* [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]]

Then the external links in another catergory. Does anyone like this idea? I think it draws a clearer distinction between things organized by the site, and additional Knowledge sorted by the Wiki. I think a clearer illustration would be that the Knowlege base is simply the 10 vegetables, and the Wiki Stuff is all the different salads they can be made into. Does anyone understand this very abstract illustration? As of now there is no clear line drawn, and many pages float in between. At the very least pages like [[Inside Jokes]] and [[Songs]] seem to be in the same catergory and in my opinion should be sorted accordingly. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:48, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

The Wiki Stuff should be for all the internal housekeeping pages like help pages, list of Trolls, ongoing projects and the like. The material that branches out from the core H*R content like [[Sightings]] can be grouped together, but they are not Wiki specific things. -[[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 12:44, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Then what about renaming the section, or even adding a seperate section? Perhaps name that one something like... 'Base Knowledge', and the other one like 'Secondary Knowledge', or something like that. Then have Wiki Troll, Ledger, Ect. under 'Wiki Stuff'. Or move EVERYTHING H*R related to Knowlege base, including Inside Jokes, ect, but that would make the menu look very offset... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 12:58, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Does anybody have an opinion about my idea? I think it's a good layout... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 22:56, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

== New Format = <strike>Banners</strike>? ==

I like the new format, it does make the title screen smaller, and more... colorful, I guess, but what happened to those cool banners? Any way to incorporate them into the design at the tops of the boxes? They really gave the main page a distinct look, and I would like to see them live again. If they don't fit, could whoever made them maybe remake one or two for a custom fit? I dunno, just a suggestion. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:28, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also as long as we're on the topic of the new format, what about moving the External Links to below the Wiki Stuff section? There's alot of unused space there. Might even get the page to one screen, without scrolling. Plus should anyone put the explanations of the links back? There seems to be a lack of explanations, only half the links have them. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:32, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Ah ha. I uploaded the banners to [[:Image:officialsite-banner.png]], [[:Image:wikipages-banner.png]], and [[:Image:externallinks-banner.png]]. I'm hoping that someone will come up with something similar that will work with this format. I'm thinking the width should be limited to around 100px.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:16, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I don't see what was wrong with a lil' scrolling. I'm taking this very harshly. It was my only reminder of the old wiki. --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 14:08, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:It reminds me a lot of Wikipedia. Maybe to much. I'm thinkin' we need something to "liven" the page up a bit, maybe like an official "Homestar Runner Wiki" banner across the top of the page. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

== Other New Format comments ==

Oh, gosh, I looked at the new format and I almost lost my lunch. It's so ugly! I really think the old banners should be back! Is there a way we can get them back?

[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 17:04, 17 Nov 2004

I agree, the Banners are needed. Any way to put them along the tops of the colored boxes, even custom stretching them to fit? I think that would look rather good. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 16:33, 17 Nov 2004 (

:It's not that big of a deal. If you puked over this, I'd hate to ride a Tilt-A-Whirl with you. Get over it. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::I'm starting to notice a pattern of people percieving improvements as being evil here, first with the switchover from Tavi to this, then the reformatting of the front page. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 02:53, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::If there's one thing that never changes, it's that people are afraid of change, no matter how much it improves their lives. Never try to give your grandma a new TV. Anyway, the banners aren't gone for good. The ones we were using just don't fit in the new layout. And just so we're clear: messing about with the front page just because you "liked it better before" is trolling and will be handled as such. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

::uh, how does this change improve my life? I guess the layout is more functional, but as for improvement, I don't think it really adds anything to the site.

::: I agree. It looks more crowded and ugly. Needs more color, like the homestar runner website. Keeping the new layout is fine, we just need smaller banners. (Btw, why is keeping the old layout trolling, yet putting up a worse layout not? I agree with your point, I just find that statement a very harsh thing that goes agenst the wiki spirit.) Also, this layout looks like crap at 800x600 --[[User:James|James]] 13:52, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)
::::The reason reverting to the old layout is trolling is quite simple: Tom (one of the mods) is the one that did the redesign, and since the mods have the most say in how the Wiki is set up, they have authority. Changing it back because you don't like this new version, therefore, is showing contempt for the mods and so on and so forth. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 14:58, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::::What about coming up with a better design that everyone likes? Is this ok? --[[User:James|James]] 18:22, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::Can't we settle this with a vote? --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 18:17, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::I don't know. Whichever wins, a whole mess of people would be mad. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::Afraid of change, no. Liked the banners, yes. :( --[[User:Southpaw018|Southpaw018]] 21:47, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::The banners were awesome and the new design is awful. I downloaded the banners (thanks Tom) and I am willing to make new ones (that's part of what I do for a living). I will make a couple and see what everyone thinks.-[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]

::I'll help if you need it. I made the origenal banners that started this whole thing off anyway. :-) --[[User:James|James]] 14:46, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::DONE! Here is one --> [[:Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]. I kept the theme of the old banners. If there are any changes you would like to see, tell me. Let me know if you want to use these and I will make the other two.-[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]

:::Thats a little small, ain't it? what about something 200 pixels wide? --[[User:James|James]] 18:33, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::[[Image:knowledgebase-banner-200px.png]] {200 x 50 px} [[Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]{100 x 50 px} -[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]
:::: That looks great! Could you make the other two sctions also? The "External Links" one might have to be larger, as that section goes all the way across the bottom of the page. --[[User:James|James]] 12:47, 23 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::: I will go ahead and do the other two soon. I am going to do them all the same size and then we can decide if the one needs to be bigger and exactly how much bigger.[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]] 20:20, 23 Nov 2004 (MST)

::::Nevermind...External links has been moved.[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]] 09:17, 24 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also, it is really annoying that the "knowledge base" frame is about 10% bigger than the "Wiki Stuff" frame. Why is this?-[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]

::Yes! I've been noticing this and it's driving me up the wall. If anything, the "Wiki stuff" frame should be bigger simply because there is more text that wraps on it. Having it smaller then "Knowledge base" is retarded, mostly since the "Knowledge base" frame has very little text that extends all the way to the border. --[[User:James|James]] 18:21, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

I just did a quick preview of the main page with equal frames and it looks so much better then when it's 10% off. Theres absolutely no reason I see for the 10% diffrence. Or is there something I'm missing? --[[User:James|James]] 18:26, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::Hi James. I'm glad you are thinking of changes for the Main Page. However, I'd like to ask that you refrain from using words such as "retarded" as this can be offensive to developmentally disabled people.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:04, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::::Ok. Sorry. --[[User:James|James]] 17:09, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::::ARGH! I just started this thread to comment, not to have a "This is better, shut up this is better" argument. I was figuratively saying that I almost lost my lunch. I don't really give a care if we go back to the banners and just keep our look. I was just offering an opinion. --[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 13:29, 24 Nov 2004 (CST)

== New Banners ==

I'm happy to see that [[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]] has created some proposals for new banners. I'm sure as many of you have already done, I've tried them on the page in a quick "preview". (Please note that they most likely will be contained in code like ''<nowiki><div style="float:right;margin-left:1em;width:100px">[[Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]</div></nowiki>'' so that they will float to the appropriate area in the section.) While they do add somewhat to the page, I think they could be improved upon. While a small width must be maintained, I don't think it would create a problem if the image had a greater height. If anyone cares to propose more images, just add them to the discussion here.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:40, 26 Nov 2004 (MST)

== The Character Silhouettes ==

I think Joey Day has the solution for us, looking at the main page now. Skipping the whole banners or no argument and doing something that integrates itself perfectly into the new design? Very very nice. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 14:06, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

:I love those, but perhaps resize one to be the same general dimensions as the other? It bothers me slightly. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 14:43, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

::Hm. I actually shrunk Strong Bad a bit because I thought he looked too big compared to Homestar. Now that I've watched a few toons I've realized Strond Bad just has a really big head. I'm not at home now or I would redo the image right now. I'll try to do it later tonight. [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] —[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 16:09, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

:One other small adjustment: I think the characters could stand to be just a little darker; I can hardly see them on my laptop unless I move my screen to just the right angle. Otherwise, it looks really good. Nice job, JoeyDay. --[[User:oddtodd|oddtodd]] 14:41, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

== Enhancement/Modification of Logo==

Props to the individual who tweaked the wiki's main logo image that appears in the upper left-hand corner. It certainly says something about our wiki - I love the polished look and it really is a marked improvement. --[[User:The Paper|The Paper]] 15:02, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

:Thanks. I've been meaning to modify it for some time now. The text was way too small before. Did you also notice I swapped out the default mediawiki background for a more better homestar styled background? You can see it best on a short page like [[Labor Day|this one]]. [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] —[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 22:41, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

::Now that's really cool. I like both the new logo and the new background. --[[User:oddtodd|oddtodd]] 20:28, 2 Dec 2004 (MST)
::Yeah, I like the new background and logo. You may as well call it Mono[[The Field|TheField]]. [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]-<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|✎</tt>]] 20:37, 22 Dec 2004 (MST)

:: Good call on the background. I never noticed. But yea, now I notice a lack of lines along the top. You've really done a good job of personalizing the Wiki. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 12:47, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)

== Hello ==

What is a wiki, this is crazy, can someone like tell me what to do, i look at HR weekly, anyone got any new updates

:One thing is we use correct grammar. Which includes correct capitolization and punctuation. To find out about this "crazy place", read up at the [[HRWiki:About]] page, or ask up any questions in the [[Help:Contents|Help Desk]]. (Oh, and for updates, there's a little thing called [http://www.homestarrunner.com homestarrunner.com] where there's this thing in the corner. It usually has updates, if I'm not mistaking. :) ) But anyways, a wiki is very easy to use if you know how, which you will learn at the [[HRWiki:About]] page. Trust me. You'll love it here if you decide to stick around.→''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

== Gr8 Job! ==

You guys do a great job at keeping troublemakers from ruining this site.

If someone would have asked me about the concept of Wiki before I saw it in action, I probably would have been very skeptical that trasher control would be effective.

Boy was I wrong.

Thanks FortyTwo and all you great detrollers out there!

:Wow, A shoutout! *sniff* I'm touched... Thanks! --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 19:53, 28 Dec 2004 (MST)

== What the crap? ==

Why am I not on the list of registered users? --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]

:You're number 439.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:42, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)

== 2004/2005 Tsunami Donation Link ==

I was just reading up on the [[Wikipedia:2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake|Indian Ocean Earthquake]] and realized how incredibly horrible this event was, and I'm seriously thinking we need some kind of banner to a donation link to the Wikipedia donation page. Or something like that. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

How very specific your request is.
-[[User:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf|Fhq]]

Fhq, what's your point? It's a good idea, don't give him crap because he's thinking larger than himself.
Bird, perhaps you should send Joey a PM on the forum. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]

:Just in case anyone was wondering, we won't be adding a notice to the Main Page. If you'd like to put a notice on your userpage, that would be acceptable.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:14, 7 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Dubious reference solution ==

Over the past few Strongbad e-mail articles, I've read a lot of (to be frank) farfetched suggestions of references that TBCs are presumably making to other stuff. Maybe, if you're 100% sure that something is intended as a reference (for example, a character name or line very specific to one TV show), then it's fine to say it's a reference. But if something just seems to remind you of something else (for example, a song that sounds kinda-sorta like a song that was played in the 23rd episode of some TV series), then it's more accurate to say that it is '''reminiscent''' of something, rather than a reference to something.

Just a suggestion.

:A wonderful suggestion, and it goes along with the ongoing discussion we are having regarding the overhaul of our current fun fact system. Thank you for your concern and idea.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:52, 13 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Locking down the main page ==

I visited today and noticed that the main page had been defaced. Someone else restored the last known good version, but it seems to me that the front page should not be editable by just anyone for this exact reason. Even the main page of Wikipedia is off-limits to anyone except staff...
:Yeah, I want the main page protected as well... [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]-<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|✎</tt>]] 14:05, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)
-It happened again. This must be done NOW.

:Look, the template does nothing to prevent trolling; it's a redundancy. Locking down the Main Page is a good way to go, since nothing really changes there, anyway. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 14:26, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

I find it funny how the MediaWiki's been around for at least 5 months now and only NOW are people starting to complain about wanting the Main Page locked down. Personally, I think it's prime idiot bait, as in "if you deface the main page, you're automatically not fit to be on the wiki." --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 15:02, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

You could have a way to detect whether someone is severely defaceing the page or not. --[[User:67.161.224.65|67.161.224.65]]

::Okay, due to several requests and the seeming lack of need to update the Main Page, I've protected it. Please note that I do not like having it protected, this being a wiki and all, but I agree that it really doesn't need to be edited that much and is just sitting there as troll fodder. Thanks to all who helped with that last batch of defacement.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:12, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

:::I never change the main page, so I'm pretty happy with that, but I do have one concern. Might the Trollers who automatically go to work on the Main Page to start with, now be forced to move onto smaller, harder to detect defacements on other pages? What if we're only spreading the diease? [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 18:46, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::::A good concern, and lucky for me I have this wonderful ditty to cite:
::::''...the fact is that for every troll with too much spare time, there are 100 users with just as much spare time ready and eager to undo that troll's (un)work. The fact is, the trolls always get bored before the users do, because the users are emotionally invested in what they've created and the Wiki moves fast enough that the average trolling only lasts about two minutes before it's reverted. A troll's work is hardly ever noticed by anybody, but a legitimate user's work is always noticed and appreciated. That's why wikis work. — InterruptorJones 15:37, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)'' ([[User_talk:FireBird#Question_from_Troll|ref]])
::::Simply put, that's just how wikis work. We'll notice no matter where or how small, and they will get tired.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:55, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::::::That is, unless said troll or trolls are emotionally invested in destroying the wiki. --Guest

::Good answer, thanks. Come to think of it, I guess if everyone has on their watchlist the pages they created, or just care for, then likely whatever page is edited will be watched by SOMEBODY. Thanks for the quick reply. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 17:36, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Rejects? ==
Where did Rejects go?? What the? -- Asploder

:Away. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 23:57, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)

::Yes, they're all categorised now, but I don't know where they went. [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|✎</tt>]] 18:08, 14 Feb 2005 (MST)

They all went to better places. Characters are now characters, items are now classified as items. Fancy that ;) [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 21:48, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

== Confusion over moving dates ==

The [[Main Page]] says that HRWiki will be moving 'from early Friday morning (Feb. 25) to late Sunday evening (Feb. 27)', but every other page says 'early Friday morning (Mar. 4) to late Sunday evening (Mar. 6)'. Someone should probably fix that on the main page, as it appears it's not closed presently. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 05:04, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)

:The date changed. A hard refresh (likely ctrl+F5) of the Main Page should clear your cache and solve the problem.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:16, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

== New ==

Hi, I'm new and not on the list.--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 09:19, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)
:Yes you are, you're number 895 →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 09:50, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

what number am i?--[[User:spikymann|spikymann]] 10:03, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Here, [[Special:Listusers|find out for yourself]]. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 10:46, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Thanks--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 11:10, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Favorite Character List ==
It think it might be nice if some o' you guys set up a "Most Popular Character" page to find out who are the most popular main characters in the Homestar Runner universe. There seems to be enough wiki users here to get an acurate idea. In this page, people would say who their favorite character is on the talk section (and their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc favorite as well if they want.) and then someone would add them all up into a graph to show who are the most/least popular character and so on. (And remember, MAIN characters only) To keep things simple, it could be a character would get 8 "popularity points" for being a first favorite, 7 for second, 6 for third, and so on. Whoever gets the highest popularity points goes in the most favorite section. Also, only registered users count. I dunno... this could be difficult and messy and inaccuriate, but if done right it could be very interesting.
Anyways... opinions anyone? --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 15:46, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Sorry, but this here's a vote for no. I think it could be a good idea under a different venu, such as the [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page Fanstuff Wiki], or perhaps a poll in the [http://forum.hrwiki.org/ Forum]. But since this is simply a knowledge base, it wouldn't really fit in too well.
[[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 16:37, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

::I agree with Thunderbird. It's just not necessary. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::What if it was made in Fanstuff Wiki? Don't care too much if it never happens. Besides, I wouldn't have the know-how and stuff to make a page like that anyway. Someone else would have had to do it. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 17:09, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

::::Yeah, that'd be awesome. Run with it. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::::I went and I ran with it. You can check it out in the Interactive section of Fanstuff H*R Wiki. :) It's called, "Character Popularity"--[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 16:47, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Article of the day? ==

Why not have a featured article like Wikipedia?

:We don't have any featured articles, so we couldn't have a featured article of the day.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:49, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

::We could do it like the Fark.com [http://216.32.91.95/Main_Page Wiki] does it. Each month has 7 articles (one for each day of the week) that rotate around every month. For instance, you create a page called [[HRWiki:Featured article/Tuesday, March]] then just do an include on the main page like:

<nowiki>== Featured article ==</nowiki> 
<nowiki>{{HRWiki:Featured article/{{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTMONTH}}}}</nowiki>

That would run automatically for a whole month with only 7 articles. --[[User:noclip|noclip]] 18:49, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

Talk:Main Page

Noclip — Wed, 23 Mar 2005 01:48:55 GMT

Noclip: /* Article of the day? */

== Links to toons/pages ==

''This has been refactored.'' There was some discussion about whether "External Links" should go at the top or bottom of the page. A few people liked having them at the top for easy access to H*R.com, but it was eventually decided that they should go at the bottom, following Wikipedia's example.

== Screenshots ==
''This has been refactored.'' It would be nice if we could figure out how to make the screenshots on toon/email pages into thumbnails. This would get them out of the way so that content isn't pushed too far down the page. We need (read: Joey needs) to talk to our host about getting Image::Magick installed on the server before that will be possible.

== Upload file ==
''This has been refactored.'' There is some concern that some members of our community (or outsiders for that matter) will upload unnecessary or innappropriate images. It was decided that they could link to them just as easily as they could download them, and it's better for the images to be hosted here than free sites that may be unstable. Bandwidth is not really an issue, though it probably would spike if we allowed uploads (and consequently a lot of image downloads) from our server. There are a number of special pages we can use to monitor uploads so they will not get out of hand: [[Special:Imagelist]], [[Special:Unusedimages]].
:Is there any way to make GIF an allowed format? I don't like GIF any more than the next guy, but it's useful sometimes. For example, the 'tear' icon from [[Strong Sad's Lament]] is an animated GIF, and I'd like to upload it for posterity (since the Lydia one fell off the face of the Earth).

::We can't upload GIFs? I had no idea. I'll look into it. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 08:54, 26 Aug 2004 (MST)

::: Sorry this took me so long, but I've checked into it and it seems to me like we can upload GIFs just fine. [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] —[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 16:50, 30 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Adding the rest of the stuff ==
Okay, I did a few tweaks on AgentSeethroo's addition. We have to figure out a few things:
#How to list the Characters on the [[Characters]] page. I know the few characters we have setup now were done with categories. I don't know how we are going to get them all (secondary etc.) on one page.
#I indented the 3 Features. They are under Toons, but I know they deserve a spot on the Main Menu... any other suggestions on how to do that?
#Rejects/Everything Else - what to call the page. Or even if we need that page. Should we just list everything on the Characters page under several headings? And we have to figure out what the categories are going to be.
Ideas everyone? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:10, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay...
#I'm not a huge fan of the Character page on the old wiki, but we may have to do something similar due to the amount of character "aliases" or whatever...I'll have to think about that for a little bit.
#I think the indention is okay, but it's the only thing on the page that's indented. It makes it look kinda wierd. I also thought the [[Features]] link was gonna get ditched from the main page? Maybe I got lost sometime...
#This is gonna take some discussion I think. I think it should go byebye, and if anyone makes ANY pages that could be deemed NOT canon or not very important, like ANYTHING in rejects, it goes under the category of Misc. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 09:55, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Yeah, we need to get Joey in on this discussion. I know he had some great ideas that seem to escape me at the moment. And you are right about the indent. But maybe we could have other indents?

Some of these pages are pretty big. I know that games page might work as two pages. Then an "Old Games" page could be indented underneath or something. Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:39, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::I think that characters can be broken down, as well as games. Maybe even places...maybe...
But I don't wanna randomly start indenting and cluttering things up, either... Joey? -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 12:14, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hm. Does ''every'' character have to go on the Characters page? I think rejected characters shouldn't even show up on the Characters page. If they are linked to from the toons/emails they appear in, or if someone references them in comments, then that's fine. The pages for Rejects should be created, but they need to be designated as stubs. Or, perhaps we can have a "Disputed Characters" category (or whatever name was decided on in that poll a while back, and then create a "Disputed Characters" template that says something like, "The validity of this character is in question. If you feel that this character should be considered for placement within the 'Characters' category, discuss it on the talk page." --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::I agree. Keep them off the Characters page, and create a category for them at most. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:07, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::::Yeah, keep them off the Characters page. But okay then, we need to set up a good system of rules to determine what's going to go in that category/on that page, and say... what's an Inside Joke. And I like the template idea. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:19, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::::And quit asking for my input. I trust you guys. Do what you feel is proper. As for the "features" link, it should go. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:43, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Sketchbook? ==
I just had a thought...should we have the [[Sketchbook]] here on the main page, since it's being updated weekly (or so), or will it only be in the museum?

:That's a good question. We were behind a few weeks when they started doing the Weekly Fanstuff, because we didn't know they weren't going to archive it. I say as long as we have it somewhere and record it for now, we're good either way. If it becomes as regular as Weekly Fanstuff or the Quote of the Week, then we can add it to a more prominent place. I guess. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:13, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:: I do'd it anyway! HA! How's it look? Someone was keepin' up with it already, so I just moverized it.-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:41, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Wiki Stuff ==
Okay, now that that's kinda settled...How are we gonna format the WikiStuff section of the main page? I know not everything will be included in this new wiki, but some stuff needs a place, like HelpDesk and WikiSandbox and whatnot. Do we just follow the same formatting as the old wiki, even though it may be like 5 links and that's it? Is it possible to make a sidebar links thingy that'd show up on every page? That'd be awesome, and it'd set us apart a little more.
Also, half of the pages that we linked on the main page make me wanna barf. I wonder why we never looked these things over periodically? I mean the downloads page, on a scale of 1 to 10 is horrible.5. There's gonna have to be some major overhauling of most those pages to make them look WAY more professional. I'd like to make this a site that TBC can NOT ignore, ya know?
-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:58, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Ah, very good questions. MediaWiki has these things called "[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace Namespace]s". For example the "Category:" part of the link puts the page in the "Category" namespace. Our Wiki's namespace for pages like the sandbox and stuff would go under "Homestar Runner Wiki:" just like the [[Homestar Runner Wiki:General disclaimer]] and [[Homestar Runner Wiki:FAQ]] pages. The HelpDesk is in the "Help:" namespace. See [[Help:Contents]]. Also, a lot of that is under the "Special:" namespace: [[Special:Allpages|Allpages]], [[Special:Listusers|Listusers]], [[Special:Ipblocklist|Ipblocklist]], and so on. We can put stuff over there on the sidebar too. And yes, some of those pages are totally "barf" as you say. I couldn't agree with you more. Maybe someone else has some suggestions on all this... Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:29, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ==
The Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ''really'' needs to be shortened to just HRWiki. Sewiously. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 01:16, 14 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Any idea how I do that? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:04, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. I think I've made the change, but things are still pointing to the wrong places. Check out the "Search" page. The namespace is called the right thing there. However, the "About" and "Disclaimers" pages still point to "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:About" and "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:General_Disclaimer". I'm also looking into changing the name of "Current events" to "H*R.com updates" and making the "Community portal" link a "WikiForum" link instead. On a related note, I found a really useful page for the admins: [[Special:Allmessages]]. This lets us change all of the various system messages. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, I'm a confused kid right now. I've edited at least three of the system messages, but they aren't changing. I've changed them from the [[Special:Allmessages]] page and directly in the Languages.php file. What the heck am I doing wrong?? Specifically, I'm talking about the "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning" pages. Here's where I learned about this: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_namespace. Help! --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:47, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::Okay, our case-change stuff messed up more than I thought it would. Apparently, while I was editing "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning", I should've been editing "Portal", "Portal-url", and "Copyrightwarning". I wonder if there's some way we can limit our case-change stuff to just the HRWiki namespace. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hmm, now the WikiForum link links to a Wiki page called "http://forum..." Hrm.

== Let's Open 'er Up ==
So, lately I've had this horribly sick feeling that things have gone all wrong. This wiki is a community, and therefore a project like this should be done as a community. What we should do, above anything, is get things ready to be opened up. I'd like to see our community finish moving emails, toons, and characters (maybe I'm just lazy, but I really do feel that this is a matter of principle).

I know some of you might be freaking out and thinking that we can't trust our users to move stuff the right way, but think about this: This community has worked so far precisely because we have given everyone the freedom to edit any document. This is the wiki way! If we don't trust our community to get things right, why is this even a wiki in the first place? We might as well just have a normal website maintained by the dozen of us that are working on this migration right now.

So, what we really need to do is all the stuff that's necessary for this place to be operational. We need to build the documentation, make sure all the namespaces and options are set up the way we want them, etc. What do you guys think of this? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:31, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay, this is a little scary. I think for the mostpart, you're right, but we still have to issue of page load. If we open up both the old wiki and the new wiki to everybody, things are going to slow to a crawl again. Can you think of any solution to this? Also, I'm afraid we'll have tons of collision problems with lots of people working on the same documents at the same time. And a lot of people are going to try to copy-and-past things the lazy way, without taking the time to fix links, etc. I agree that this should be a community effort, but I think we have to resolve those issues first. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::I know you guys know I'm against opening it up. We don't even have any of our help page written yet. Or have the copyrights worked out: we have one place that says GNU and one place that says CC. And Jones is right about that page load. and the everyone doing everything at once thing. Just some more stuff to think about.
::As to the problem Joey's dealing with: our not giving everyone the freedom to edit... I think that would create more problems. Joey's right, giving everyone editing rights makes the wiki better, but that happens over a longer period of time. Right now we have to think on the short term. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::I agree with the Tom and Jones. This place is still a wiki, people will still be able to edit it when it opens up. Lettin' everyone on right now, even to help, would be kinda like lettin' a bunch of kids into an amusement park before it's finished and saying "You have to help us finish, though." There. My two cents. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 08:34, 31 Aug 2004 (MST)

== CSS Tweaks ==
Joey, could you increase the paragraph (P tags) spacing in the CSS? It's a little difficult to make out paragraph boundaries right now. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Working on it... --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Done. Sorry it took me so long. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Case issues ==
I just noticed something that might be an issue. Since we made case matter (for the emails), we now have the issue of [[Ballad of the Sneak]] and [[Ballad of The Sneak]] (and every other case variation) being two completely distinct pages. Is this going to be a problem? -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:39, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:This is already a problem on Wikipedia for any word after the first word. For instance, try looking up "George bush". We'll (and when I say we, I'm talking about the whole community, not just us admins) just have to pay close attention and create redirects where necessary -- at least until all the links can be fixed. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:56, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Okay, "George bush" is a bad example because there's already a redirect. Try "Greek orthodox". --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:57, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, no probalo. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]

::::Yeah, we have this issue with [[The Paper]] and [[The paper]]. I think Joey did the redirect for that. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Flash file links ==
Okay, so this has kinda been buggin' me for a while. Whoever first called it "watch this video in fullscreen" obviously had no idea they were linking to the actual raw flash file. Since then, we've continued to call it "watch this video in fullscreen". Can we change it to "download the flash file of this video", or something more meaningful? What do you think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:34, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Hm, I guess you're right. Though I wish you'd mentioned it before I did all the toons. :D Anyway, "download" isn't quite the right term, since it'll just play in most people's browsers. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:52, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. It downloads in Firefox, but I guess that's probably a preference setting. "view the flash file"? "watch the flash file"? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::"view the Flash file" seems good to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 11:32, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::We could use a template, like: <nowiki>[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail50.swf Download the Flash file] {{swf}}</nowiki>, and the <nowiki>{{swf}}</nowiki> prints a small boilerplate saying it may download the Flash file or it may instead view it in "fullscreen". - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 13:48, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Convertulator suggestions ==

StrongBadEmail should be automagically changed to [[Strong Bad Email]]. Anyplace where StrongBadEmail/ appears, it should be removed, so [[StrongBadEmail/flashback]] automagically becomes [[flashback]]. Only problem would be links like this: [[StrongBadEmail/flashback|flashback]]. They would turn out like this: [[flashback|flashback]], which I suppose isn't a big deal, but it's unnecessary bloat. We'll just have to watch for those. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:39, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've implemented your suggestions. However, I did find one small bug. If you have a (()) Wiki link that itself is in parentheses, e.g. "(((Some Page)) here)", the Convertulator will convert the first pair of parentheses, yielding <nowiki>[[(Some Page]] here)</nowiki>. There's no easy fix for this, so unfortunately we'll just have to just be on the lookout for it. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 14:17, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Characters featured ==

While adding Filmography categories, I noticed something. The featured characters lists don't seem to be in any particular order. I've been alphabetizing for the filmography categories, but I think the "Featured:" list should be in order of appearance. Maybe it should say...

'''Cast (in order of appearance): [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]], [[Homsar]]'''

What do you guys think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:53, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've always tried to do them in order of appearance. Seems like a good standard to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:54, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Navigation links on left ==

Two, maybe three of the nav links on the left have odd tooltips.

*'''Main Page''' - Visit the main page [alt-z]
**This is fine.
*'''Strong Bad Email''' - About the project, what you can do, where to find things
**Obviously this isn't what it is at all.
*'''H*R.com updates''' - Find background information on current events
**And nor is this ''really''.
*'''Recent changes''' - The list of recent changes in the wiki. [alt-r]
**Also fine.
*'''Random page''' - Load a random page. [alt-x]
**Also fine.
*'''Help''' - The place to find out.
**Slightly odd?

Also, we probably ought to have shortcuts for everything or nothing.

:Very good catch. I didn't even notice that the alt text was still set for the default links that used to be there. We also need to get the external links to the WikiForum and the WikiChat there as well. Thanks for the heads up, "84.9.23.83". -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:34, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

:You're welcome! I've got myself a proper account now. - [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 11:00, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Inside jokes ==

Why are [[Inside Jokes]] classified as "wiki stuff"? They are part of the content of H*R, and do not refer to the workings of the wiki. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 00:31, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I guess Rejects are in that same catagory. Plus things like the glossary just kind of float somewhere in between. I think some reformatting of the section definitions are in order, as long as the Main Page is recieving an overhaul. Any additional design suggestions? -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:35, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I was just doing some more thinking, and what about having the Knowledge Base contain ONLY the things listed on the H*R main page(s), and put everything left over into Wiki Stuff. Basically it would look something like this, and would have the added bonus of evening the two sections out, leaving External Links on the bottom...

* [[Toons]]
** [[Strong Bad Email]]
** [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]
** [[Teen Girl Squad]]
** [[Powered By The Cheat]]
** [[Puppet Stuff]]
** [[Holiday Toons]]
* [[Games]]
* [[Characters]]
* [[Downloads]]
* [[Store]]
* [[Email]]
* [[Legal]]
* [[Main Pages]]
** [[Weekly Fanstuff]]
** [[Quote of the Week]]
** [[Sketchbook]]
* [[Museum]]
* [[Secret Pages]]

Then this to the right of it: (Perhaps the first part in an additional section)

* [[Places]]
* [[Items]]
* [[Songs]]
* [[Quotes]]
* [[Glossary]]
* [[Inside Jokes]]
(Perhaps another section here?)
* [[Special:Listusers|List of registered wiki users]]
* [[Links]]
* [[Sightings]]
* [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]]
* [[HRWiki:Ledger|Ledger]]
* [[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]]
* [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]
* [[WikiTroll]]
* [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]]

Then the external links in another catergory. Does anyone like this idea? I think it draws a clearer distinction between things organized by the site, and additional Knowledge sorted by the Wiki. I think a clearer illustration would be that the Knowlege base is simply the 10 vegetables, and the Wiki Stuff is all the different salads they can be made into. Does anyone understand this very abstract illustration? As of now there is no clear line drawn, and many pages float in between. At the very least pages like [[Inside Jokes]] and [[Songs]] seem to be in the same catergory and in my opinion should be sorted accordingly. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:48, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

The Wiki Stuff should be for all the internal housekeeping pages like help pages, list of Trolls, ongoing projects and the like. The material that branches out from the core H*R content like [[Sightings]] can be grouped together, but they are not Wiki specific things. -[[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 12:44, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Then what about renaming the section, or even adding a seperate section? Perhaps name that one something like... 'Base Knowledge', and the other one like 'Secondary Knowledge', or something like that. Then have Wiki Troll, Ledger, Ect. under 'Wiki Stuff'. Or move EVERYTHING H*R related to Knowlege base, including Inside Jokes, ect, but that would make the menu look very offset... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 12:58, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Does anybody have an opinion about my idea? I think it's a good layout... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 22:56, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

== New Format = <strike>Banners</strike>? ==

I like the new format, it does make the title screen smaller, and more... colorful, I guess, but what happened to those cool banners? Any way to incorporate them into the design at the tops of the boxes? They really gave the main page a distinct look, and I would like to see them live again. If they don't fit, could whoever made them maybe remake one or two for a custom fit? I dunno, just a suggestion. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:28, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also as long as we're on the topic of the new format, what about moving the External Links to below the Wiki Stuff section? There's alot of unused space there. Might even get the page to one screen, without scrolling. Plus should anyone put the explanations of the links back? There seems to be a lack of explanations, only half the links have them. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:32, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Ah ha. I uploaded the banners to [[:Image:officialsite-banner.png]], [[:Image:wikipages-banner.png]], and [[:Image:externallinks-banner.png]]. I'm hoping that someone will come up with something similar that will work with this format. I'm thinking the width should be limited to around 100px.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:16, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I don't see what was wrong with a lil' scrolling. I'm taking this very harshly. It was my only reminder of the old wiki. --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 14:08, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:It reminds me a lot of Wikipedia. Maybe to much. I'm thinkin' we need something to "liven" the page up a bit, maybe like an official "Homestar Runner Wiki" banner across the top of the page. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

== Other New Format comments ==

Oh, gosh, I looked at the new format and I almost lost my lunch. It's so ugly! I really think the old banners should be back! Is there a way we can get them back?

[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 17:04, 17 Nov 2004

I agree, the Banners are needed. Any way to put them along the tops of the colored boxes, even custom stretching them to fit? I think that would look rather good. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 16:33, 17 Nov 2004 (

:It's not that big of a deal. If you puked over this, I'd hate to ride a Tilt-A-Whirl with you. Get over it. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::I'm starting to notice a pattern of people percieving improvements as being evil here, first with the switchover from Tavi to this, then the reformatting of the front page. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 02:53, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::If there's one thing that never changes, it's that people are afraid of change, no matter how much it improves their lives. Never try to give your grandma a new TV. Anyway, the banners aren't gone for good. The ones we were using just don't fit in the new layout. And just so we're clear: messing about with the front page just because you "liked it better before" is trolling and will be handled as such. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

::uh, how does this change improve my life? I guess the layout is more functional, but as for improvement, I don't think it really adds anything to the site.

::: I agree. It looks more crowded and ugly. Needs more color, like the homestar runner website. Keeping the new layout is fine, we just need smaller banners. (Btw, why is keeping the old layout trolling, yet putting up a worse layout not? I agree with your point, I just find that statement a very harsh thing that goes agenst the wiki spirit.) Also, this layout looks like crap at 800x600 --[[User:James|James]] 13:52, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)
::::The reason reverting to the old layout is trolling is quite simple: Tom (one of the mods) is the one that did the redesign, and since the mods have the most say in how the Wiki is set up, they have authority. Changing it back because you don't like this new version, therefore, is showing contempt for the mods and so on and so forth. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 14:58, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::::What about coming up with a better design that everyone likes? Is this ok? --[[User:James|James]] 18:22, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::Can't we settle this with a vote? --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 18:17, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::I don't know. Whichever wins, a whole mess of people would be mad. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::Afraid of change, no. Liked the banners, yes. :( --[[User:Southpaw018|Southpaw018]] 21:47, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::The banners were awesome and the new design is awful. I downloaded the banners (thanks Tom) and I am willing to make new ones (that's part of what I do for a living). I will make a couple and see what everyone thinks.-[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]

::I'll help if you need it. I made the origenal banners that started this whole thing off anyway. :-) --[[User:James|James]] 14:46, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::DONE! Here is one --> [[:Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]. I kept the theme of the old banners. If there are any changes you would like to see, tell me. Let me know if you want to use these and I will make the other two.-[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]

:::Thats a little small, ain't it? what about something 200 pixels wide? --[[User:James|James]] 18:33, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::[[Image:knowledgebase-banner-200px.png]] {200 x 50 px} [[Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]{100 x 50 px} -[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]
:::: That looks great! Could you make the other two sctions also? The "External Links" one might have to be larger, as that section goes all the way across the bottom of the page. --[[User:James|James]] 12:47, 23 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::: I will go ahead and do the other two soon. I am going to do them all the same size and then we can decide if the one needs to be bigger and exactly how much bigger.[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]] 20:20, 23 Nov 2004 (MST)

::::Nevermind...External links has been moved.[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]] 09:17, 24 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also, it is really annoying that the "knowledge base" frame is about 10% bigger than the "Wiki Stuff" frame. Why is this?-[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]

::Yes! I've been noticing this and it's driving me up the wall. If anything, the "Wiki stuff" frame should be bigger simply because there is more text that wraps on it. Having it smaller then "Knowledge base" is retarded, mostly since the "Knowledge base" frame has very little text that extends all the way to the border. --[[User:James|James]] 18:21, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

I just did a quick preview of the main page with equal frames and it looks so much better then when it's 10% off. Theres absolutely no reason I see for the 10% diffrence. Or is there something I'm missing? --[[User:James|James]] 18:26, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::Hi James. I'm glad you are thinking of changes for the Main Page. However, I'd like to ask that you refrain from using words such as "retarded" as this can be offensive to developmentally disabled people.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:04, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::::Ok. Sorry. --[[User:James|James]] 17:09, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::::ARGH! I just started this thread to comment, not to have a "This is better, shut up this is better" argument. I was figuratively saying that I almost lost my lunch. I don't really give a care if we go back to the banners and just keep our look. I was just offering an opinion. --[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 13:29, 24 Nov 2004 (CST)

== New Banners ==

I'm happy to see that [[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]] has created some proposals for new banners. I'm sure as many of you have already done, I've tried them on the page in a quick "preview". (Please note that they most likely will be contained in code like ''<nowiki><div style="float:right;margin-left:1em;width:100px">[[Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]</div></nowiki>'' so that they will float to the appropriate area in the section.) While they do add somewhat to the page, I think they could be improved upon. While a small width must be maintained, I don't think it would create a problem if the image had a greater height. If anyone cares to propose more images, just add them to the discussion here.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:40, 26 Nov 2004 (MST)

== The Character Silhouettes ==

I think Joey Day has the solution for us, looking at the main page now. Skipping the whole banners or no argument and doing something that integrates itself perfectly into the new design? Very very nice. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 14:06, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

:I love those, but perhaps resize one to be the same general dimensions as the other? It bothers me slightly. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 14:43, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

::Hm. I actually shrunk Strong Bad a bit because I thought he looked too big compared to Homestar. Now that I've watched a few toons I've realized Strond Bad just has a really big head. I'm not at home now or I would redo the image right now. I'll try to do it later tonight. [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] —[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 16:09, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

:One other small adjustment: I think the characters could stand to be just a little darker; I can hardly see them on my laptop unless I move my screen to just the right angle. Otherwise, it looks really good. Nice job, JoeyDay. --[[User:oddtodd|oddtodd]] 14:41, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

== Enhancement/Modification of Logo==

Props to the individual who tweaked the wiki's main logo image that appears in the upper left-hand corner. It certainly says something about our wiki - I love the polished look and it really is a marked improvement. --[[User:The Paper|The Paper]] 15:02, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

:Thanks. I've been meaning to modify it for some time now. The text was way too small before. Did you also notice I swapped out the default mediawiki background for a more better homestar styled background? You can see it best on a short page like [[Labor Day|this one]]. [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] —[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 22:41, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

::Now that's really cool. I like both the new logo and the new background. --[[User:oddtodd|oddtodd]] 20:28, 2 Dec 2004 (MST)
::Yeah, I like the new background and logo. You may as well call it Mono[[The Field|TheField]]. [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]-<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|✎</tt>]] 20:37, 22 Dec 2004 (MST)

:: Good call on the background. I never noticed. But yea, now I notice a lack of lines along the top. You've really done a good job of personalizing the Wiki. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 12:47, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)

== Hello ==

What is a wiki, this is crazy, can someone like tell me what to do, i look at HR weekly, anyone got any new updates

:One thing is we use correct grammar. Which includes correct capitolization and punctuation. To find out about this "crazy place", read up at the [[HRWiki:About]] page, or ask up any questions in the [[Help:Contents|Help Desk]]. (Oh, and for updates, there's a little thing called [http://www.homestarrunner.com homestarrunner.com] where there's this thing in the corner. It usually has updates, if I'm not mistaking. :) ) But anyways, a wiki is very easy to use if you know how, which you will learn at the [[HRWiki:About]] page. Trust me. You'll love it here if you decide to stick around.→''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

== Gr8 Job! ==

You guys do a great job at keeping troublemakers from ruining this site.

If someone would have asked me about the concept of Wiki before I saw it in action, I probably would have been very skeptical that trasher control would be effective.

Boy was I wrong.

Thanks FortyTwo and all you great detrollers out there!

:Wow, A shoutout! *sniff* I'm touched... Thanks! --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 19:53, 28 Dec 2004 (MST)

== What the crap? ==

Why am I not on the list of registered users? --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]

:You're number 439.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:42, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)

== 2004/2005 Tsunami Donation Link ==

I was just reading up on the [[Wikipedia:2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake|Indian Ocean Earthquake]] and realized how incredibly horrible this event was, and I'm seriously thinking we need some kind of banner to a donation link to the Wikipedia donation page. Or something like that. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

How very specific your request is.
-[[User:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf|Fhq]]

Fhq, what's your point? It's a good idea, don't give him crap because he's thinking larger than himself.
Bird, perhaps you should send Joey a PM on the forum. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]

:Just in case anyone was wondering, we won't be adding a notice to the Main Page. If you'd like to put a notice on your userpage, that would be acceptable.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:14, 7 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Dubious reference solution ==

Over the past few Strongbad e-mail articles, I've read a lot of (to be frank) farfetched suggestions of references that TBCs are presumably making to other stuff. Maybe, if you're 100% sure that something is intended as a reference (for example, a character name or line very specific to one TV show), then it's fine to say it's a reference. But if something just seems to remind you of something else (for example, a song that sounds kinda-sorta like a song that was played in the 23rd episode of some TV series), then it's more accurate to say that it is '''reminiscent''' of something, rather than a reference to something.

Just a suggestion.

:A wonderful suggestion, and it goes along with the ongoing discussion we are having regarding the overhaul of our current fun fact system. Thank you for your concern and idea.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:52, 13 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Locking down the main page ==

I visited today and noticed that the main page had been defaced. Someone else restored the last known good version, but it seems to me that the front page should not be editable by just anyone for this exact reason. Even the main page of Wikipedia is off-limits to anyone except staff...
:Yeah, I want the main page protected as well... [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]-<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|✎</tt>]] 14:05, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)
-It happened again. This must be done NOW.

:Look, the template does nothing to prevent trolling; it's a redundancy. Locking down the Main Page is a good way to go, since nothing really changes there, anyway. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 14:26, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

I find it funny how the MediaWiki's been around for at least 5 months now and only NOW are people starting to complain about wanting the Main Page locked down. Personally, I think it's prime idiot bait, as in "if you deface the main page, you're automatically not fit to be on the wiki." --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 15:02, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

You could have a way to detect whether someone is severely defaceing the page or not. --[[User:67.161.224.65|67.161.224.65]]

::Okay, due to several requests and the seeming lack of need to update the Main Page, I've protected it. Please note that I do not like having it protected, this being a wiki and all, but I agree that it really doesn't need to be edited that much and is just sitting there as troll fodder. Thanks to all who helped with that last batch of defacement.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:12, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

:::I never change the main page, so I'm pretty happy with that, but I do have one concern. Might the Trollers who automatically go to work on the Main Page to start with, now be forced to move onto smaller, harder to detect defacements on other pages? What if we're only spreading the diease? [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 18:46, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::::A good concern, and lucky for me I have this wonderful ditty to cite:
::::''...the fact is that for every troll with too much spare time, there are 100 users with just as much spare time ready and eager to undo that troll's (un)work. The fact is, the trolls always get bored before the users do, because the users are emotionally invested in what they've created and the Wiki moves fast enough that the average trolling only lasts about two minutes before it's reverted. A troll's work is hardly ever noticed by anybody, but a legitimate user's work is always noticed and appreciated. That's why wikis work. — InterruptorJones 15:37, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)'' ([[User_talk:FireBird#Question_from_Troll|ref]])
::::Simply put, that's just how wikis work. We'll notice no matter where or how small, and they will get tired.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:55, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::::::That is, unless said troll or trolls are emotionally invested in destroying the wiki. --Guest

::Good answer, thanks. Come to think of it, I guess if everyone has on their watchlist the pages they created, or just care for, then likely whatever page is edited will be watched by SOMEBODY. Thanks for the quick reply. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 17:36, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Rejects? ==
Where did Rejects go?? What the? -- Asploder

:Away. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 23:57, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)

::Yes, they're all categorised now, but I don't know where they went. [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|✎</tt>]] 18:08, 14 Feb 2005 (MST)

They all went to better places. Characters are now characters, items are now classified as items. Fancy that ;) [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 21:48, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

== Confusion over moving dates ==

The [[Main Page]] says that HRWiki will be moving 'from early Friday morning (Feb. 25) to late Sunday evening (Feb. 27)', but every other page says 'early Friday morning (Mar. 4) to late Sunday evening (Mar. 6)'. Someone should probably fix that on the main page, as it appears it's not closed presently. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 05:04, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)

:The date changed. A hard refresh (likely ctrl+F5) of the Main Page should clear your cache and solve the problem.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:16, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

== New ==

Hi, I'm new and not on the list.--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 09:19, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)
:Yes you are, you're number 895 →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 09:50, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

what number am i?--[[User:spikymann|spikymann]] 10:03, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Here, [[Special:Listusers|find out for yourself]]. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 10:46, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Thanks--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 11:10, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Favorite Character List ==
It think it might be nice if some o' you guys set up a "Most Popular Character" page to find out who are the most popular main characters in the Homestar Runner universe. There seems to be enough wiki users here to get an acurate idea. In this page, people would say who their favorite character is on the talk section (and their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc favorite as well if they want.) and then someone would add them all up into a graph to show who are the most/least popular character and so on. (And remember, MAIN characters only) To keep things simple, it could be a character would get 8 "popularity points" for being a first favorite, 7 for second, 6 for third, and so on. Whoever gets the highest popularity points goes in the most favorite section. Also, only registered users count. I dunno... this could be difficult and messy and inaccuriate, but if done right it could be very interesting.
Anyways... opinions anyone? --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 15:46, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Sorry, but this here's a vote for no. I think it could be a good idea under a different venu, such as the [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page Fanstuff Wiki], or perhaps a poll in the [http://forum.hrwiki.org/ Forum]. But since this is simply a knowledge base, it wouldn't really fit in too well.
[[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 16:37, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

::I agree with Thunderbird. It's just not necessary. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::What if it was made in Fanstuff Wiki? Don't care too much if it never happens. Besides, I wouldn't have the know-how and stuff to make a page like that anyway. Someone else would have had to do it. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 17:09, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

::::Yeah, that'd be awesome. Run with it. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::::I went and I ran with it. You can check it out in the Interactive section of Fanstuff H*R Wiki. :) It's called, "Character Popularity"--[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 16:47, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Article of the day? ==

Why not have a featured article like Wikipedia?

:We don't have any featured articles, so we couldn't have a featured article of the day.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:49, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

::We could do it like the Fark.com [http://216.32.91.95/Main_Page Wiki] does it. Each month has 7 articles (one for each day of the week) that rotate around every month. For instance, you create a page called [[HRWiki:Featured article/Tuesday, March]] then just do an include on the main page like:

<nowiki>== Featured article ==</nowiki> 
<nowiki>{{HRWiki:Featured article/{{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTMONTH}}}}</nowiki>

That would run automatically for a whole month with only 7 articles.

Talk:Main Page

Noclip — Wed, 23 Mar 2005 01:48:14 GMT

Noclip: /* Article of the day? */

== Links to toons/pages ==

''This has been refactored.'' There was some discussion about whether "External Links" should go at the top or bottom of the page. A few people liked having them at the top for easy access to H*R.com, but it was eventually decided that they should go at the bottom, following Wikipedia's example.

== Screenshots ==
''This has been refactored.'' It would be nice if we could figure out how to make the screenshots on toon/email pages into thumbnails. This would get them out of the way so that content isn't pushed too far down the page. We need (read: Joey needs) to talk to our host about getting Image::Magick installed on the server before that will be possible.

== Upload file ==
''This has been refactored.'' There is some concern that some members of our community (or outsiders for that matter) will upload unnecessary or innappropriate images. It was decided that they could link to them just as easily as they could download them, and it's better for the images to be hosted here than free sites that may be unstable. Bandwidth is not really an issue, though it probably would spike if we allowed uploads (and consequently a lot of image downloads) from our server. There are a number of special pages we can use to monitor uploads so they will not get out of hand: [[Special:Imagelist]], [[Special:Unusedimages]].
:Is there any way to make GIF an allowed format? I don't like GIF any more than the next guy, but it's useful sometimes. For example, the 'tear' icon from [[Strong Sad's Lament]] is an animated GIF, and I'd like to upload it for posterity (since the Lydia one fell off the face of the Earth).

::We can't upload GIFs? I had no idea. I'll look into it. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 08:54, 26 Aug 2004 (MST)

::: Sorry this took me so long, but I've checked into it and it seems to me like we can upload GIFs just fine. [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] —[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 16:50, 30 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Adding the rest of the stuff ==
Okay, I did a few tweaks on AgentSeethroo's addition. We have to figure out a few things:
#How to list the Characters on the [[Characters]] page. I know the few characters we have setup now were done with categories. I don't know how we are going to get them all (secondary etc.) on one page.
#I indented the 3 Features. They are under Toons, but I know they deserve a spot on the Main Menu... any other suggestions on how to do that?
#Rejects/Everything Else - what to call the page. Or even if we need that page. Should we just list everything on the Characters page under several headings? And we have to figure out what the categories are going to be.
Ideas everyone? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:10, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay...
#I'm not a huge fan of the Character page on the old wiki, but we may have to do something similar due to the amount of character "aliases" or whatever...I'll have to think about that for a little bit.
#I think the indention is okay, but it's the only thing on the page that's indented. It makes it look kinda wierd. I also thought the [[Features]] link was gonna get ditched from the main page? Maybe I got lost sometime...
#This is gonna take some discussion I think. I think it should go byebye, and if anyone makes ANY pages that could be deemed NOT canon or not very important, like ANYTHING in rejects, it goes under the category of Misc. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 09:55, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Yeah, we need to get Joey in on this discussion. I know he had some great ideas that seem to escape me at the moment. And you are right about the indent. But maybe we could have other indents?

Some of these pages are pretty big. I know that games page might work as two pages. Then an "Old Games" page could be indented underneath or something. Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:39, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::I think that characters can be broken down, as well as games. Maybe even places...maybe...
But I don't wanna randomly start indenting and cluttering things up, either... Joey? -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 12:14, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hm. Does ''every'' character have to go on the Characters page? I think rejected characters shouldn't even show up on the Characters page. If they are linked to from the toons/emails they appear in, or if someone references them in comments, then that's fine. The pages for Rejects should be created, but they need to be designated as stubs. Or, perhaps we can have a "Disputed Characters" category (or whatever name was decided on in that poll a while back, and then create a "Disputed Characters" template that says something like, "The validity of this character is in question. If you feel that this character should be considered for placement within the 'Characters' category, discuss it on the talk page." --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::I agree. Keep them off the Characters page, and create a category for them at most. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:07, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::::Yeah, keep them off the Characters page. But okay then, we need to set up a good system of rules to determine what's going to go in that category/on that page, and say... what's an Inside Joke. And I like the template idea. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:19, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::::And quit asking for my input. I trust you guys. Do what you feel is proper. As for the "features" link, it should go. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:43, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Sketchbook? ==
I just had a thought...should we have the [[Sketchbook]] here on the main page, since it's being updated weekly (or so), or will it only be in the museum?

:That's a good question. We were behind a few weeks when they started doing the Weekly Fanstuff, because we didn't know they weren't going to archive it. I say as long as we have it somewhere and record it for now, we're good either way. If it becomes as regular as Weekly Fanstuff or the Quote of the Week, then we can add it to a more prominent place. I guess. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:13, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:: I do'd it anyway! HA! How's it look? Someone was keepin' up with it already, so I just moverized it.-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:41, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Wiki Stuff ==
Okay, now that that's kinda settled...How are we gonna format the WikiStuff section of the main page? I know not everything will be included in this new wiki, but some stuff needs a place, like HelpDesk and WikiSandbox and whatnot. Do we just follow the same formatting as the old wiki, even though it may be like 5 links and that's it? Is it possible to make a sidebar links thingy that'd show up on every page? That'd be awesome, and it'd set us apart a little more.
Also, half of the pages that we linked on the main page make me wanna barf. I wonder why we never looked these things over periodically? I mean the downloads page, on a scale of 1 to 10 is horrible.5. There's gonna have to be some major overhauling of most those pages to make them look WAY more professional. I'd like to make this a site that TBC can NOT ignore, ya know?
-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:58, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Ah, very good questions. MediaWiki has these things called "[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace Namespace]s". For example the "Category:" part of the link puts the page in the "Category" namespace. Our Wiki's namespace for pages like the sandbox and stuff would go under "Homestar Runner Wiki:" just like the [[Homestar Runner Wiki:General disclaimer]] and [[Homestar Runner Wiki:FAQ]] pages. The HelpDesk is in the "Help:" namespace. See [[Help:Contents]]. Also, a lot of that is under the "Special:" namespace: [[Special:Allpages|Allpages]], [[Special:Listusers|Listusers]], [[Special:Ipblocklist|Ipblocklist]], and so on. We can put stuff over there on the sidebar too. And yes, some of those pages are totally "barf" as you say. I couldn't agree with you more. Maybe someone else has some suggestions on all this... Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:29, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ==
The Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ''really'' needs to be shortened to just HRWiki. Sewiously. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 01:16, 14 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Any idea how I do that? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:04, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. I think I've made the change, but things are still pointing to the wrong places. Check out the "Search" page. The namespace is called the right thing there. However, the "About" and "Disclaimers" pages still point to "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:About" and "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:General_Disclaimer". I'm also looking into changing the name of "Current events" to "H*R.com updates" and making the "Community portal" link a "WikiForum" link instead. On a related note, I found a really useful page for the admins: [[Special:Allmessages]]. This lets us change all of the various system messages. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, I'm a confused kid right now. I've edited at least three of the system messages, but they aren't changing. I've changed them from the [[Special:Allmessages]] page and directly in the Languages.php file. What the heck am I doing wrong?? Specifically, I'm talking about the "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning" pages. Here's where I learned about this: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_namespace. Help! --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:47, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::Okay, our case-change stuff messed up more than I thought it would. Apparently, while I was editing "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning", I should've been editing "Portal", "Portal-url", and "Copyrightwarning". I wonder if there's some way we can limit our case-change stuff to just the HRWiki namespace. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hmm, now the WikiForum link links to a Wiki page called "http://forum..." Hrm.

== Let's Open 'er Up ==
So, lately I've had this horribly sick feeling that things have gone all wrong. This wiki is a community, and therefore a project like this should be done as a community. What we should do, above anything, is get things ready to be opened up. I'd like to see our community finish moving emails, toons, and characters (maybe I'm just lazy, but I really do feel that this is a matter of principle).

I know some of you might be freaking out and thinking that we can't trust our users to move stuff the right way, but think about this: This community has worked so far precisely because we have given everyone the freedom to edit any document. This is the wiki way! If we don't trust our community to get things right, why is this even a wiki in the first place? We might as well just have a normal website maintained by the dozen of us that are working on this migration right now.

So, what we really need to do is all the stuff that's necessary for this place to be operational. We need to build the documentation, make sure all the namespaces and options are set up the way we want them, etc. What do you guys think of this? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:31, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay, this is a little scary. I think for the mostpart, you're right, but we still have to issue of page load. If we open up both the old wiki and the new wiki to everybody, things are going to slow to a crawl again. Can you think of any solution to this? Also, I'm afraid we'll have tons of collision problems with lots of people working on the same documents at the same time. And a lot of people are going to try to copy-and-past things the lazy way, without taking the time to fix links, etc. I agree that this should be a community effort, but I think we have to resolve those issues first. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::I know you guys know I'm against opening it up. We don't even have any of our help page written yet. Or have the copyrights worked out: we have one place that says GNU and one place that says CC. And Jones is right about that page load. and the everyone doing everything at once thing. Just some more stuff to think about.
::As to the problem Joey's dealing with: our not giving everyone the freedom to edit... I think that would create more problems. Joey's right, giving everyone editing rights makes the wiki better, but that happens over a longer period of time. Right now we have to think on the short term. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::I agree with the Tom and Jones. This place is still a wiki, people will still be able to edit it when it opens up. Lettin' everyone on right now, even to help, would be kinda like lettin' a bunch of kids into an amusement park before it's finished and saying "You have to help us finish, though." There. My two cents. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 08:34, 31 Aug 2004 (MST)

== CSS Tweaks ==
Joey, could you increase the paragraph (P tags) spacing in the CSS? It's a little difficult to make out paragraph boundaries right now. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Working on it... --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Done. Sorry it took me so long. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Case issues ==
I just noticed something that might be an issue. Since we made case matter (for the emails), we now have the issue of [[Ballad of the Sneak]] and [[Ballad of The Sneak]] (and every other case variation) being two completely distinct pages. Is this going to be a problem? -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:39, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:This is already a problem on Wikipedia for any word after the first word. For instance, try looking up "George bush". We'll (and when I say we, I'm talking about the whole community, not just us admins) just have to pay close attention and create redirects where necessary -- at least until all the links can be fixed. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:56, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Okay, "George bush" is a bad example because there's already a redirect. Try "Greek orthodox". --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:57, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, no probalo. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]

::::Yeah, we have this issue with [[The Paper]] and [[The paper]]. I think Joey did the redirect for that. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Flash file links ==
Okay, so this has kinda been buggin' me for a while. Whoever first called it "watch this video in fullscreen" obviously had no idea they were linking to the actual raw flash file. Since then, we've continued to call it "watch this video in fullscreen". Can we change it to "download the flash file of this video", or something more meaningful? What do you think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:34, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Hm, I guess you're right. Though I wish you'd mentioned it before I did all the toons. :D Anyway, "download" isn't quite the right term, since it'll just play in most people's browsers. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:52, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. It downloads in Firefox, but I guess that's probably a preference setting. "view the flash file"? "watch the flash file"? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::"view the Flash file" seems good to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 11:32, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::We could use a template, like: <nowiki>[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail50.swf Download the Flash file] {{swf}}</nowiki>, and the <nowiki>{{swf}}</nowiki> prints a small boilerplate saying it may download the Flash file or it may instead view it in "fullscreen". - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 13:48, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Convertulator suggestions ==

StrongBadEmail should be automagically changed to [[Strong Bad Email]]. Anyplace where StrongBadEmail/ appears, it should be removed, so [[StrongBadEmail/flashback]] automagically becomes [[flashback]]. Only problem would be links like this: [[StrongBadEmail/flashback|flashback]]. They would turn out like this: [[flashback|flashback]], which I suppose isn't a big deal, but it's unnecessary bloat. We'll just have to watch for those. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:39, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've implemented your suggestions. However, I did find one small bug. If you have a (()) Wiki link that itself is in parentheses, e.g. "(((Some Page)) here)", the Convertulator will convert the first pair of parentheses, yielding <nowiki>[[(Some Page]] here)</nowiki>. There's no easy fix for this, so unfortunately we'll just have to just be on the lookout for it. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 14:17, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Characters featured ==

While adding Filmography categories, I noticed something. The featured characters lists don't seem to be in any particular order. I've been alphabetizing for the filmography categories, but I think the "Featured:" list should be in order of appearance. Maybe it should say...

'''Cast (in order of appearance): [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]], [[Homsar]]'''

What do you guys think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:53, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've always tried to do them in order of appearance. Seems like a good standard to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:54, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Navigation links on left ==

Two, maybe three of the nav links on the left have odd tooltips.

*'''Main Page''' - Visit the main page [alt-z]
**This is fine.
*'''Strong Bad Email''' - About the project, what you can do, where to find things
**Obviously this isn't what it is at all.
*'''H*R.com updates''' - Find background information on current events
**And nor is this ''really''.
*'''Recent changes''' - The list of recent changes in the wiki. [alt-r]
**Also fine.
*'''Random page''' - Load a random page. [alt-x]
**Also fine.
*'''Help''' - The place to find out.
**Slightly odd?

Also, we probably ought to have shortcuts for everything or nothing.

:Very good catch. I didn't even notice that the alt text was still set for the default links that used to be there. We also need to get the external links to the WikiForum and the WikiChat there as well. Thanks for the heads up, "84.9.23.83". -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:34, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

:You're welcome! I've got myself a proper account now. - [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 11:00, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Inside jokes ==

Why are [[Inside Jokes]] classified as "wiki stuff"? They are part of the content of H*R, and do not refer to the workings of the wiki. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 00:31, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I guess Rejects are in that same catagory. Plus things like the glossary just kind of float somewhere in between. I think some reformatting of the section definitions are in order, as long as the Main Page is recieving an overhaul. Any additional design suggestions? -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:35, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I was just doing some more thinking, and what about having the Knowledge Base contain ONLY the things listed on the H*R main page(s), and put everything left over into Wiki Stuff. Basically it would look something like this, and would have the added bonus of evening the two sections out, leaving External Links on the bottom...

* [[Toons]]
** [[Strong Bad Email]]
** [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]
** [[Teen Girl Squad]]
** [[Powered By The Cheat]]
** [[Puppet Stuff]]
** [[Holiday Toons]]
* [[Games]]
* [[Characters]]
* [[Downloads]]
* [[Store]]
* [[Email]]
* [[Legal]]
* [[Main Pages]]
** [[Weekly Fanstuff]]
** [[Quote of the Week]]
** [[Sketchbook]]
* [[Museum]]
* [[Secret Pages]]

Then this to the right of it: (Perhaps the first part in an additional section)

* [[Places]]
* [[Items]]
* [[Songs]]
* [[Quotes]]
* [[Glossary]]
* [[Inside Jokes]]
(Perhaps another section here?)
* [[Special:Listusers|List of registered wiki users]]
* [[Links]]
* [[Sightings]]
* [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]]
* [[HRWiki:Ledger|Ledger]]
* [[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]]
* [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]
* [[WikiTroll]]
* [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]]

Then the external links in another catergory. Does anyone like this idea? I think it draws a clearer distinction between things organized by the site, and additional Knowledge sorted by the Wiki. I think a clearer illustration would be that the Knowlege base is simply the 10 vegetables, and the Wiki Stuff is all the different salads they can be made into. Does anyone understand this very abstract illustration? As of now there is no clear line drawn, and many pages float in between. At the very least pages like [[Inside Jokes]] and [[Songs]] seem to be in the same catergory and in my opinion should be sorted accordingly. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:48, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

The Wiki Stuff should be for all the internal housekeeping pages like help pages, list of Trolls, ongoing projects and the like. The material that branches out from the core H*R content like [[Sightings]] can be grouped together, but they are not Wiki specific things. -[[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 12:44, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Then what about renaming the section, or even adding a seperate section? Perhaps name that one something like... 'Base Knowledge', and the other one like 'Secondary Knowledge', or something like that. Then have Wiki Troll, Ledger, Ect. under 'Wiki Stuff'. Or move EVERYTHING H*R related to Knowlege base, including Inside Jokes, ect, but that would make the menu look very offset... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 12:58, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Does anybody have an opinion about my idea? I think it's a good layout... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 22:56, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

== New Format = <strike>Banners</strike>? ==

I like the new format, it does make the title screen smaller, and more... colorful, I guess, but what happened to those cool banners? Any way to incorporate them into the design at the tops of the boxes? They really gave the main page a distinct look, and I would like to see them live again. If they don't fit, could whoever made them maybe remake one or two for a custom fit? I dunno, just a suggestion. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:28, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also as long as we're on the topic of the new format, what about moving the External Links to below the Wiki Stuff section? There's alot of unused space there. Might even get the page to one screen, without scrolling. Plus should anyone put the explanations of the links back? There seems to be a lack of explanations, only half the links have them. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:32, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Ah ha. I uploaded the banners to [[:Image:officialsite-banner.png]], [[:Image:wikipages-banner.png]], and [[:Image:externallinks-banner.png]]. I'm hoping that someone will come up with something similar that will work with this format. I'm thinking the width should be limited to around 100px.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:16, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I don't see what was wrong with a lil' scrolling. I'm taking this very harshly. It was my only reminder of the old wiki. --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 14:08, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:It reminds me a lot of Wikipedia. Maybe to much. I'm thinkin' we need something to "liven" the page up a bit, maybe like an official "Homestar Runner Wiki" banner across the top of the page. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

== Other New Format comments ==

Oh, gosh, I looked at the new format and I almost lost my lunch. It's so ugly! I really think the old banners should be back! Is there a way we can get them back?

[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 17:04, 17 Nov 2004

I agree, the Banners are needed. Any way to put them along the tops of the colored boxes, even custom stretching them to fit? I think that would look rather good. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 16:33, 17 Nov 2004 (

:It's not that big of a deal. If you puked over this, I'd hate to ride a Tilt-A-Whirl with you. Get over it. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::I'm starting to notice a pattern of people percieving improvements as being evil here, first with the switchover from Tavi to this, then the reformatting of the front page. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 02:53, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::If there's one thing that never changes, it's that people are afraid of change, no matter how much it improves their lives. Never try to give your grandma a new TV. Anyway, the banners aren't gone for good. The ones we were using just don't fit in the new layout. And just so we're clear: messing about with the front page just because you "liked it better before" is trolling and will be handled as such. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

::uh, how does this change improve my life? I guess the layout is more functional, but as for improvement, I don't think it really adds anything to the site.

::: I agree. It looks more crowded and ugly. Needs more color, like the homestar runner website. Keeping the new layout is fine, we just need smaller banners. (Btw, why is keeping the old layout trolling, yet putting up a worse layout not? I agree with your point, I just find that statement a very harsh thing that goes agenst the wiki spirit.) Also, this layout looks like crap at 800x600 --[[User:James|James]] 13:52, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)
::::The reason reverting to the old layout is trolling is quite simple: Tom (one of the mods) is the one that did the redesign, and since the mods have the most say in how the Wiki is set up, they have authority. Changing it back because you don't like this new version, therefore, is showing contempt for the mods and so on and so forth. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 14:58, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::::What about coming up with a better design that everyone likes? Is this ok? --[[User:James|James]] 18:22, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::Can't we settle this with a vote? --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 18:17, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::I don't know. Whichever wins, a whole mess of people would be mad. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::Afraid of change, no. Liked the banners, yes. :( --[[User:Southpaw018|Southpaw018]] 21:47, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::The banners were awesome and the new design is awful. I downloaded the banners (thanks Tom) and I am willing to make new ones (that's part of what I do for a living). I will make a couple and see what everyone thinks.-[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]

::I'll help if you need it. I made the origenal banners that started this whole thing off anyway. :-) --[[User:James|James]] 14:46, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::DONE! Here is one --> [[:Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]. I kept the theme of the old banners. If there are any changes you would like to see, tell me. Let me know if you want to use these and I will make the other two.-[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]

:::Thats a little small, ain't it? what about something 200 pixels wide? --[[User:James|James]] 18:33, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::[[Image:knowledgebase-banner-200px.png]] {200 x 50 px} [[Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]{100 x 50 px} -[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]
:::: That looks great! Could you make the other two sctions also? The "External Links" one might have to be larger, as that section goes all the way across the bottom of the page. --[[User:James|James]] 12:47, 23 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::: I will go ahead and do the other two soon. I am going to do them all the same size and then we can decide if the one needs to be bigger and exactly how much bigger.[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]] 20:20, 23 Nov 2004 (MST)

::::Nevermind...External links has been moved.[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]] 09:17, 24 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also, it is really annoying that the "knowledge base" frame is about 10% bigger than the "Wiki Stuff" frame. Why is this?-[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]

::Yes! I've been noticing this and it's driving me up the wall. If anything, the "Wiki stuff" frame should be bigger simply because there is more text that wraps on it. Having it smaller then "Knowledge base" is retarded, mostly since the "Knowledge base" frame has very little text that extends all the way to the border. --[[User:James|James]] 18:21, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

I just did a quick preview of the main page with equal frames and it looks so much better then when it's 10% off. Theres absolutely no reason I see for the 10% diffrence. Or is there something I'm missing? --[[User:James|James]] 18:26, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::Hi James. I'm glad you are thinking of changes for the Main Page. However, I'd like to ask that you refrain from using words such as "retarded" as this can be offensive to developmentally disabled people.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:04, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::::Ok. Sorry. --[[User:James|James]] 17:09, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::::ARGH! I just started this thread to comment, not to have a "This is better, shut up this is better" argument. I was figuratively saying that I almost lost my lunch. I don't really give a care if we go back to the banners and just keep our look. I was just offering an opinion. --[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 13:29, 24 Nov 2004 (CST)

== New Banners ==

I'm happy to see that [[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]] has created some proposals for new banners. I'm sure as many of you have already done, I've tried them on the page in a quick "preview". (Please note that they most likely will be contained in code like ''<nowiki><div style="float:right;margin-left:1em;width:100px">[[Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]</div></nowiki>'' so that they will float to the appropriate area in the section.) While they do add somewhat to the page, I think they could be improved upon. While a small width must be maintained, I don't think it would create a problem if the image had a greater height. If anyone cares to propose more images, just add them to the discussion here.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:40, 26 Nov 2004 (MST)

== The Character Silhouettes ==

I think Joey Day has the solution for us, looking at the main page now. Skipping the whole banners or no argument and doing something that integrates itself perfectly into the new design? Very very nice. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 14:06, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

:I love those, but perhaps resize one to be the same general dimensions as the other? It bothers me slightly. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 14:43, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

::Hm. I actually shrunk Strong Bad a bit because I thought he looked too big compared to Homestar. Now that I've watched a few toons I've realized Strond Bad just has a really big head. I'm not at home now or I would redo the image right now. I'll try to do it later tonight. [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] —[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 16:09, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

:One other small adjustment: I think the characters could stand to be just a little darker; I can hardly see them on my laptop unless I move my screen to just the right angle. Otherwise, it looks really good. Nice job, JoeyDay. --[[User:oddtodd|oddtodd]] 14:41, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

== Enhancement/Modification of Logo==

Props to the individual who tweaked the wiki's main logo image that appears in the upper left-hand corner. It certainly says something about our wiki - I love the polished look and it really is a marked improvement. --[[User:The Paper|The Paper]] 15:02, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

:Thanks. I've been meaning to modify it for some time now. The text was way too small before. Did you also notice I swapped out the default mediawiki background for a more better homestar styled background? You can see it best on a short page like [[Labor Day|this one]]. [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] —[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 22:41, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

::Now that's really cool. I like both the new logo and the new background. --[[User:oddtodd|oddtodd]] 20:28, 2 Dec 2004 (MST)
::Yeah, I like the new background and logo. You may as well call it Mono[[The Field|TheField]]. [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]-<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|✎</tt>]] 20:37, 22 Dec 2004 (MST)

:: Good call on the background. I never noticed. But yea, now I notice a lack of lines along the top. You've really done a good job of personalizing the Wiki. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 12:47, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)

== Hello ==

What is a wiki, this is crazy, can someone like tell me what to do, i look at HR weekly, anyone got any new updates

:One thing is we use correct grammar. Which includes correct capitolization and punctuation. To find out about this "crazy place", read up at the [[HRWiki:About]] page, or ask up any questions in the [[Help:Contents|Help Desk]]. (Oh, and for updates, there's a little thing called [http://www.homestarrunner.com homestarrunner.com] where there's this thing in the corner. It usually has updates, if I'm not mistaking. :) ) But anyways, a wiki is very easy to use if you know how, which you will learn at the [[HRWiki:About]] page. Trust me. You'll love it here if you decide to stick around.→''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

== Gr8 Job! ==

You guys do a great job at keeping troublemakers from ruining this site.

If someone would have asked me about the concept of Wiki before I saw it in action, I probably would have been very skeptical that trasher control would be effective.

Boy was I wrong.

Thanks FortyTwo and all you great detrollers out there!

:Wow, A shoutout! *sniff* I'm touched... Thanks! --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 19:53, 28 Dec 2004 (MST)

== What the crap? ==

Why am I not on the list of registered users? --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]

:You're number 439.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:42, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)

== 2004/2005 Tsunami Donation Link ==

I was just reading up on the [[Wikipedia:2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake|Indian Ocean Earthquake]] and realized how incredibly horrible this event was, and I'm seriously thinking we need some kind of banner to a donation link to the Wikipedia donation page. Or something like that. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

How very specific your request is.
-[[User:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf|Fhq]]

Fhq, what's your point? It's a good idea, don't give him crap because he's thinking larger than himself.
Bird, perhaps you should send Joey a PM on the forum. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]

:Just in case anyone was wondering, we won't be adding a notice to the Main Page. If you'd like to put a notice on your userpage, that would be acceptable.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:14, 7 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Dubious reference solution ==

Over the past few Strongbad e-mail articles, I've read a lot of (to be frank) farfetched suggestions of references that TBCs are presumably making to other stuff. Maybe, if you're 100% sure that something is intended as a reference (for example, a character name or line very specific to one TV show), then it's fine to say it's a reference. But if something just seems to remind you of something else (for example, a song that sounds kinda-sorta like a song that was played in the 23rd episode of some TV series), then it's more accurate to say that it is '''reminiscent''' of something, rather than a reference to something.

Just a suggestion.

:A wonderful suggestion, and it goes along with the ongoing discussion we are having regarding the overhaul of our current fun fact system. Thank you for your concern and idea.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:52, 13 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Locking down the main page ==

I visited today and noticed that the main page had been defaced. Someone else restored the last known good version, but it seems to me that the front page should not be editable by just anyone for this exact reason. Even the main page of Wikipedia is off-limits to anyone except staff...
:Yeah, I want the main page protected as well... [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]-<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|✎</tt>]] 14:05, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)
-It happened again. This must be done NOW.

:Look, the template does nothing to prevent trolling; it's a redundancy. Locking down the Main Page is a good way to go, since nothing really changes there, anyway. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 14:26, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

I find it funny how the MediaWiki's been around for at least 5 months now and only NOW are people starting to complain about wanting the Main Page locked down. Personally, I think it's prime idiot bait, as in "if you deface the main page, you're automatically not fit to be on the wiki." --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 15:02, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

You could have a way to detect whether someone is severely defaceing the page or not. --[[User:67.161.224.65|67.161.224.65]]

::Okay, due to several requests and the seeming lack of need to update the Main Page, I've protected it. Please note that I do not like having it protected, this being a wiki and all, but I agree that it really doesn't need to be edited that much and is just sitting there as troll fodder. Thanks to all who helped with that last batch of defacement.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:12, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

:::I never change the main page, so I'm pretty happy with that, but I do have one concern. Might the Trollers who automatically go to work on the Main Page to start with, now be forced to move onto smaller, harder to detect defacements on other pages? What if we're only spreading the diease? [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 18:46, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::::A good concern, and lucky for me I have this wonderful ditty to cite:
::::''...the fact is that for every troll with too much spare time, there are 100 users with just as much spare time ready and eager to undo that troll's (un)work. The fact is, the trolls always get bored before the users do, because the users are emotionally invested in what they've created and the Wiki moves fast enough that the average trolling only lasts about two minutes before it's reverted. A troll's work is hardly ever noticed by anybody, but a legitimate user's work is always noticed and appreciated. That's why wikis work. — InterruptorJones 15:37, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)'' ([[User_talk:FireBird#Question_from_Troll|ref]])
::::Simply put, that's just how wikis work. We'll notice no matter where or how small, and they will get tired.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:55, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::::::That is, unless said troll or trolls are emotionally invested in destroying the wiki. --Guest

::Good answer, thanks. Come to think of it, I guess if everyone has on their watchlist the pages they created, or just care for, then likely whatever page is edited will be watched by SOMEBODY. Thanks for the quick reply. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 17:36, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Rejects? ==
Where did Rejects go?? What the? -- Asploder

:Away. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 23:57, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)

::Yes, they're all categorised now, but I don't know where they went. [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|✎</tt>]] 18:08, 14 Feb 2005 (MST)

They all went to better places. Characters are now characters, items are now classified as items. Fancy that ;) [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 21:48, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

== Confusion over moving dates ==

The [[Main Page]] says that HRWiki will be moving 'from early Friday morning (Feb. 25) to late Sunday evening (Feb. 27)', but every other page says 'early Friday morning (Mar. 4) to late Sunday evening (Mar. 6)'. Someone should probably fix that on the main page, as it appears it's not closed presently. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 05:04, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)

:The date changed. A hard refresh (likely ctrl+F5) of the Main Page should clear your cache and solve the problem.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:16, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

== New ==

Hi, I'm new and not on the list.--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 09:19, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)
:Yes you are, you're number 895 →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 09:50, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

what number am i?--[[User:spikymann|spikymann]] 10:03, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Here, [[Special:Listusers|find out for yourself]]. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 10:46, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Thanks--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 11:10, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Favorite Character List ==
It think it might be nice if some o' you guys set up a "Most Popular Character" page to find out who are the most popular main characters in the Homestar Runner universe. There seems to be enough wiki users here to get an acurate idea. In this page, people would say who their favorite character is on the talk section (and their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc favorite as well if they want.) and then someone would add them all up into a graph to show who are the most/least popular character and so on. (And remember, MAIN characters only) To keep things simple, it could be a character would get 8 "popularity points" for being a first favorite, 7 for second, 6 for third, and so on. Whoever gets the highest popularity points goes in the most favorite section. Also, only registered users count. I dunno... this could be difficult and messy and inaccuriate, but if done right it could be very interesting.
Anyways... opinions anyone? --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 15:46, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Sorry, but this here's a vote for no. I think it could be a good idea under a different venu, such as the [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page Fanstuff Wiki], or perhaps a poll in the [http://forum.hrwiki.org/ Forum]. But since this is simply a knowledge base, it wouldn't really fit in too well.
[[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 16:37, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

::I agree with Thunderbird. It's just not necessary. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::What if it was made in Fanstuff Wiki? Don't care too much if it never happens. Besides, I wouldn't have the know-how and stuff to make a page like that anyway. Someone else would have had to do it. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 17:09, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

::::Yeah, that'd be awesome. Run with it. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::::I went and I ran with it. You can check it out in the Interactive section of Fanstuff H*R Wiki. :) It's called, "Character Popularity"--[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 16:47, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Article of the day? ==

Why not have a featured article like Wikipedia?

:We don't have any featured articles, so we couldn't have a featured article of the day.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:49, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

::We could do it like the [http://216.32.91.95/Main_Page Fark.com] Wiki does it. Each month has 7 articles (one for each day of the week) that rotate around every month. For instance, you create a page called [[HRWiki:Featured article/Tuesday, March]] then just do an include on the main page like:

<nowiki>== Featured article ==</nowiki> 
<nowiki>{{HRWiki:Featured article/{{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTMONTH}}}}</nowiki>

That would run automatically for a whole month with only 7 articles.

Talk:Main Page

Noclip — Wed, 23 Mar 2005 01:47:47 GMT

Noclip: /* Article of the day? */

== Links to toons/pages ==

''This has been refactored.'' There was some discussion about whether "External Links" should go at the top or bottom of the page. A few people liked having them at the top for easy access to H*R.com, but it was eventually decided that they should go at the bottom, following Wikipedia's example.

== Screenshots ==
''This has been refactored.'' It would be nice if we could figure out how to make the screenshots on toon/email pages into thumbnails. This would get them out of the way so that content isn't pushed too far down the page. We need (read: Joey needs) to talk to our host about getting Image::Magick installed on the server before that will be possible.

== Upload file ==
''This has been refactored.'' There is some concern that some members of our community (or outsiders for that matter) will upload unnecessary or innappropriate images. It was decided that they could link to them just as easily as they could download them, and it's better for the images to be hosted here than free sites that may be unstable. Bandwidth is not really an issue, though it probably would spike if we allowed uploads (and consequently a lot of image downloads) from our server. There are a number of special pages we can use to monitor uploads so they will not get out of hand: [[Special:Imagelist]], [[Special:Unusedimages]].
:Is there any way to make GIF an allowed format? I don't like GIF any more than the next guy, but it's useful sometimes. For example, the 'tear' icon from [[Strong Sad's Lament]] is an animated GIF, and I'd like to upload it for posterity (since the Lydia one fell off the face of the Earth).

::We can't upload GIFs? I had no idea. I'll look into it. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 08:54, 26 Aug 2004 (MST)

::: Sorry this took me so long, but I've checked into it and it seems to me like we can upload GIFs just fine. [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] —[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 16:50, 30 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Adding the rest of the stuff ==
Okay, I did a few tweaks on AgentSeethroo's addition. We have to figure out a few things:
#How to list the Characters on the [[Characters]] page. I know the few characters we have setup now were done with categories. I don't know how we are going to get them all (secondary etc.) on one page.
#I indented the 3 Features. They are under Toons, but I know they deserve a spot on the Main Menu... any other suggestions on how to do that?
#Rejects/Everything Else - what to call the page. Or even if we need that page. Should we just list everything on the Characters page under several headings? And we have to figure out what the categories are going to be.
Ideas everyone? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:10, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay...
#I'm not a huge fan of the Character page on the old wiki, but we may have to do something similar due to the amount of character "aliases" or whatever...I'll have to think about that for a little bit.
#I think the indention is okay, but it's the only thing on the page that's indented. It makes it look kinda wierd. I also thought the [[Features]] link was gonna get ditched from the main page? Maybe I got lost sometime...
#This is gonna take some discussion I think. I think it should go byebye, and if anyone makes ANY pages that could be deemed NOT canon or not very important, like ANYTHING in rejects, it goes under the category of Misc. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 09:55, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Yeah, we need to get Joey in on this discussion. I know he had some great ideas that seem to escape me at the moment. And you are right about the indent. But maybe we could have other indents?

Some of these pages are pretty big. I know that games page might work as two pages. Then an "Old Games" page could be indented underneath or something. Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:39, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::I think that characters can be broken down, as well as games. Maybe even places...maybe...
But I don't wanna randomly start indenting and cluttering things up, either... Joey? -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 12:14, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hm. Does ''every'' character have to go on the Characters page? I think rejected characters shouldn't even show up on the Characters page. If they are linked to from the toons/emails they appear in, or if someone references them in comments, then that's fine. The pages for Rejects should be created, but they need to be designated as stubs. Or, perhaps we can have a "Disputed Characters" category (or whatever name was decided on in that poll a while back, and then create a "Disputed Characters" template that says something like, "The validity of this character is in question. If you feel that this character should be considered for placement within the 'Characters' category, discuss it on the talk page." --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::I agree. Keep them off the Characters page, and create a category for them at most. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:07, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::::Yeah, keep them off the Characters page. But okay then, we need to set up a good system of rules to determine what's going to go in that category/on that page, and say... what's an Inside Joke. And I like the template idea. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:19, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::::And quit asking for my input. I trust you guys. Do what you feel is proper. As for the "features" link, it should go. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:43, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Sketchbook? ==
I just had a thought...should we have the [[Sketchbook]] here on the main page, since it's being updated weekly (or so), or will it only be in the museum?

:That's a good question. We were behind a few weeks when they started doing the Weekly Fanstuff, because we didn't know they weren't going to archive it. I say as long as we have it somewhere and record it for now, we're good either way. If it becomes as regular as Weekly Fanstuff or the Quote of the Week, then we can add it to a more prominent place. I guess. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:13, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:: I do'd it anyway! HA! How's it look? Someone was keepin' up with it already, so I just moverized it.-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 15:41, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Wiki Stuff ==
Okay, now that that's kinda settled...How are we gonna format the WikiStuff section of the main page? I know not everything will be included in this new wiki, but some stuff needs a place, like HelpDesk and WikiSandbox and whatnot. Do we just follow the same formatting as the old wiki, even though it may be like 5 links and that's it? Is it possible to make a sidebar links thingy that'd show up on every page? That'd be awesome, and it'd set us apart a little more.
Also, half of the pages that we linked on the main page make me wanna barf. I wonder why we never looked these things over periodically? I mean the downloads page, on a scale of 1 to 10 is horrible.5. There's gonna have to be some major overhauling of most those pages to make them look WAY more professional. I'd like to make this a site that TBC can NOT ignore, ya know?
-- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 14:58, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Ah, very good questions. MediaWiki has these things called "[http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Help:Namespace Namespace]s". For example the "Category:" part of the link puts the page in the "Category" namespace. Our Wiki's namespace for pages like the sandbox and stuff would go under "Homestar Runner Wiki:" just like the [[Homestar Runner Wiki:General disclaimer]] and [[Homestar Runner Wiki:FAQ]] pages. The HelpDesk is in the "Help:" namespace. See [[Help:Contents]]. Also, a lot of that is under the "Special:" namespace: [[Special:Allpages|Allpages]], [[Special:Listusers|Listusers]], [[Special:Ipblocklist|Ipblocklist]], and so on. We can put stuff over there on the sidebar too. And yes, some of those pages are totally "barf" as you say. I couldn't agree with you more. Maybe someone else has some suggestions on all this... Joey? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 15:29, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ==
The Homestar_Runner_Wiki namespace ''really'' needs to be shortened to just HRWiki. Sewiously. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 01:16, 14 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Any idea how I do that? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:04, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. I think I've made the change, but things are still pointing to the wrong places. Check out the "Search" page. The namespace is called the right thing there. However, the "About" and "Disclaimers" pages still point to "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:About" and "Homestar_Runner_Wiki:General_Disclaimer". I'm also looking into changing the name of "Current events" to "H*R.com updates" and making the "Community portal" link a "WikiForum" link instead. On a related note, I found a really useful page for the admins: [[Special:Allmessages]]. This lets us change all of the various system messages. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, I'm a confused kid right now. I've edited at least three of the system messages, but they aren't changing. I've changed them from the [[Special:Allmessages]] page and directly in the Languages.php file. What the heck am I doing wrong?? Specifically, I'm talking about the "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning" pages. Here's where I learned about this: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/MediaWiki_namespace. Help! --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:47, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::::Okay, our case-change stuff messed up more than I thought it would. Apparently, while I was editing "portal", "portal-url" and "copyrightwarning", I should've been editing "Portal", "Portal-url", and "Copyrightwarning". I wonder if there's some way we can limit our case-change stuff to just the HRWiki namespace. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:01, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::::Hmm, now the WikiForum link links to a Wiki page called "http://forum..." Hrm.

== Let's Open 'er Up ==
So, lately I've had this horribly sick feeling that things have gone all wrong. This wiki is a community, and therefore a project like this should be done as a community. What we should do, above anything, is get things ready to be opened up. I'd like to see our community finish moving emails, toons, and characters (maybe I'm just lazy, but I really do feel that this is a matter of principle).

I know some of you might be freaking out and thinking that we can't trust our users to move stuff the right way, but think about this: This community has worked so far precisely because we have given everyone the freedom to edit any document. This is the wiki way! If we don't trust our community to get things right, why is this even a wiki in the first place? We might as well just have a normal website maintained by the dozen of us that are working on this migration right now.

So, what we really need to do is all the stuff that's necessary for this place to be operational. We need to build the documentation, make sure all the namespaces and options are set up the way we want them, etc. What do you guys think of this? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:31, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Okay, this is a little scary. I think for the mostpart, you're right, but we still have to issue of page load. If we open up both the old wiki and the new wiki to everybody, things are going to slow to a crawl again. Can you think of any solution to this? Also, I'm afraid we'll have tons of collision problems with lots of people working on the same documents at the same time. And a lot of people are going to try to copy-and-past things the lazy way, without taking the time to fix links, etc. I agree that this should be a community effort, but I think we have to resolve those issues first. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::I know you guys know I'm against opening it up. We don't even have any of our help page written yet. Or have the copyrights worked out: we have one place that says GNU and one place that says CC. And Jones is right about that page load. and the everyone doing everything at once thing. Just some more stuff to think about.
::As to the problem Joey's dealing with: our not giving everyone the freedom to edit... I think that would create more problems. Joey's right, giving everyone editing rights makes the wiki better, but that happens over a longer period of time. Right now we have to think on the short term. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::I agree with the Tom and Jones. This place is still a wiki, people will still be able to edit it when it opens up. Lettin' everyone on right now, even to help, would be kinda like lettin' a bunch of kids into an amusement park before it's finished and saying "You have to help us finish, though." There. My two cents. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 08:34, 31 Aug 2004 (MST)

== CSS Tweaks ==
Joey, could you increase the paragraph (P tags) spacing in the CSS? It's a little difficult to make out paragraph boundaries right now. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:37, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Working on it... --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:38, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Done. Sorry it took me so long. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Case issues ==
I just noticed something that might be an issue. Since we made case matter (for the emails), we now have the issue of [[Ballad of the Sneak]] and [[Ballad of The Sneak]] (and every other case variation) being two completely distinct pages. Is this going to be a problem? -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 09:39, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:This is already a problem on Wikipedia for any word after the first word. For instance, try looking up "George bush". We'll (and when I say we, I'm talking about the whole community, not just us admins) just have to pay close attention and create redirects where necessary -- at least until all the links can be fixed. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:56, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Okay, "George bush" is a bad example because there's already a redirect. Try "Greek orthodox". --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:57, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::Okay, no probalo. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]

::::Yeah, we have this issue with [[The Paper]] and [[The paper]]. I think Joey did the redirect for that. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:25, 23 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Flash file links ==
Okay, so this has kinda been buggin' me for a while. Whoever first called it "watch this video in fullscreen" obviously had no idea they were linking to the actual raw flash file. Since then, we've continued to call it "watch this video in fullscreen". Can we change it to "download the flash file of this video", or something more meaningful? What do you think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 10:34, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:Hm, I guess you're right. Though I wish you'd mentioned it before I did all the toons. :D Anyway, "download" isn't quite the right term, since it'll just play in most people's browsers. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:52, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::Hm. It downloads in Firefox, but I guess that's probably a preference setting. "view the flash file"? "watch the flash file"? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:13, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:::"view the Flash file" seems good to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 11:32, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

::We could use a template, like: <nowiki>[http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail50.swf Download the Flash file] {{swf}}</nowiki>, and the <nowiki>{{swf}}</nowiki> prints a small boilerplate saying it may download the Flash file or it may instead view it in "fullscreen". - [[User:furrykef|furrykef]] 13:48, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Convertulator suggestions ==

StrongBadEmail should be automagically changed to [[Strong Bad Email]]. Anyplace where StrongBadEmail/ appears, it should be removed, so [[StrongBadEmail/flashback]] automagically becomes [[flashback]]. Only problem would be links like this: [[StrongBadEmail/flashback|flashback]]. They would turn out like this: [[flashback|flashback]], which I suppose isn't a big deal, but it's unnecessary bloat. We'll just have to watch for those. --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:39, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've implemented your suggestions. However, I did find one small bug. If you have a (()) Wiki link that itself is in parentheses, e.g. "(((Some Page)) here)", the Convertulator will convert the first pair of parentheses, yielding <nowiki>[[(Some Page]] here)</nowiki>. There's no easy fix for this, so unfortunately we'll just have to just be on the lookout for it. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 14:17, 24 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Characters featured ==

While adding Filmography categories, I noticed something. The featured characters lists don't seem to be in any particular order. I've been alphabetizing for the filmography categories, but I think the "Featured:" list should be in order of appearance. Maybe it should say...

'''Cast (in order of appearance): [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]], [[Homsar]]'''

What do you guys think? --[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 09:53, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

:I've always tried to do them in order of appearance. Seems like a good standard to me. -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 10:54, 27 Aug 2004 (MST)

== Navigation links on left ==

Two, maybe three of the nav links on the left have odd tooltips.

*'''Main Page''' - Visit the main page [alt-z]
**This is fine.
*'''Strong Bad Email''' - About the project, what you can do, where to find things
**Obviously this isn't what it is at all.
*'''H*R.com updates''' - Find background information on current events
**And nor is this ''really''.
*'''Recent changes''' - The list of recent changes in the wiki. [alt-r]
**Also fine.
*'''Random page''' - Load a random page. [alt-x]
**Also fine.
*'''Help''' - The place to find out.
**Slightly odd?

Also, we probably ought to have shortcuts for everything or nothing.

:Very good catch. I didn't even notice that the alt text was still set for the default links that used to be there. We also need to get the external links to the WikiForum and the WikiChat there as well. Thanks for the heads up, "84.9.23.83". -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 10:34, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

:You're welcome! I've got myself a proper account now. - [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 11:00, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)

== Inside jokes ==

Why are [[Inside Jokes]] classified as "wiki stuff"? They are part of the content of H*R, and do not refer to the workings of the wiki. - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 00:31, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I guess Rejects are in that same catagory. Plus things like the glossary just kind of float somewhere in between. I think some reformatting of the section definitions are in order, as long as the Main Page is recieving an overhaul. Any additional design suggestions? -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:35, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I was just doing some more thinking, and what about having the Knowledge Base contain ONLY the things listed on the H*R main page(s), and put everything left over into Wiki Stuff. Basically it would look something like this, and would have the added bonus of evening the two sections out, leaving External Links on the bottom...

* [[Toons]]
** [[Strong Bad Email]]
** [[Marzipan's Answering Machine]]
** [[Teen Girl Squad]]
** [[Powered By The Cheat]]
** [[Puppet Stuff]]
** [[Holiday Toons]]
* [[Games]]
* [[Characters]]
* [[Downloads]]
* [[Store]]
* [[Email]]
* [[Legal]]
* [[Main Pages]]
** [[Weekly Fanstuff]]
** [[Quote of the Week]]
** [[Sketchbook]]
* [[Museum]]
* [[Secret Pages]]

Then this to the right of it: (Perhaps the first part in an additional section)

* [[Places]]
* [[Items]]
* [[Songs]]
* [[Quotes]]
* [[Glossary]]
* [[Inside Jokes]]
(Perhaps another section here?)
* [[Special:Listusers|List of registered wiki users]]
* [[Links]]
* [[Sightings]]
* [[HRWiki:Standards|Standards]]
* [[HRWiki:Ledger|Ledger]]
* [[HRWiki:Projects|Projects]]
* [[HRWiki:Sandbox|Sandbox]]
* [[WikiTroll]]
* [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming committee]]

Then the external links in another catergory. Does anyone like this idea? I think it draws a clearer distinction between things organized by the site, and additional Knowledge sorted by the Wiki. I think a clearer illustration would be that the Knowlege base is simply the 10 vegetables, and the Wiki Stuff is all the different salads they can be made into. Does anyone understand this very abstract illustration? As of now there is no clear line drawn, and many pages float in between. At the very least pages like [[Inside Jokes]] and [[Songs]] seem to be in the same catergory and in my opinion should be sorted accordingly. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:48, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

The Wiki Stuff should be for all the internal housekeeping pages like help pages, list of Trolls, ongoing projects and the like. The material that branches out from the core H*R content like [[Sightings]] can be grouped together, but they are not Wiki specific things. -[[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 12:44, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Then what about renaming the section, or even adding a seperate section? Perhaps name that one something like... 'Base Knowledge', and the other one like 'Secondary Knowledge', or something like that. Then have Wiki Troll, Ledger, Ect. under 'Wiki Stuff'. Or move EVERYTHING H*R related to Knowlege base, including Inside Jokes, ect, but that would make the menu look very offset... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 12:58, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Does anybody have an opinion about my idea? I think it's a good layout... -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 22:56, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

== New Format = <strike>Banners</strike>? ==

I like the new format, it does make the title screen smaller, and more... colorful, I guess, but what happened to those cool banners? Any way to incorporate them into the design at the tops of the boxes? They really gave the main page a distinct look, and I would like to see them live again. If they don't fit, could whoever made them maybe remake one or two for a custom fit? I dunno, just a suggestion. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:28, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also as long as we're on the topic of the new format, what about moving the External Links to below the Wiki Stuff section? There's alot of unused space there. Might even get the page to one screen, without scrolling. Plus should anyone put the explanations of the links back? There seems to be a lack of explanations, only half the links have them. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 01:32, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:Ah ha. I uploaded the banners to [[:Image:officialsite-banner.png]], [[:Image:wikipages-banner.png]], and [[:Image:externallinks-banner.png]]. I'm hoping that someone will come up with something similar that will work with this format. I'm thinking the width should be limited to around 100px.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:16, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

I don't see what was wrong with a lil' scrolling. I'm taking this very harshly. It was my only reminder of the old wiki. --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 14:08, 17 Nov 2004 (MST)

:It reminds me a lot of Wikipedia. Maybe to much. I'm thinkin' we need something to "liven" the page up a bit, maybe like an official "Homestar Runner Wiki" banner across the top of the page. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

== Other New Format comments ==

Oh, gosh, I looked at the new format and I almost lost my lunch. It's so ugly! I really think the old banners should be back! Is there a way we can get them back?

[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 17:04, 17 Nov 2004

I agree, the Banners are needed. Any way to put them along the tops of the colored boxes, even custom stretching them to fit? I think that would look rather good. -- [[User:Thunderbird L17|Thunderbird]] 16:33, 17 Nov 2004 (

:It's not that big of a deal. If you puked over this, I'd hate to ride a Tilt-A-Whirl with you. Get over it. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::I'm starting to notice a pattern of people percieving improvements as being evil here, first with the switchover from Tavi to this, then the reformatting of the front page. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 02:53, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::If there's one thing that never changes, it's that people are afraid of change, no matter how much it improves their lives. Never try to give your grandma a new TV. Anyway, the banners aren't gone for good. The ones we were using just don't fit in the new layout. And just so we're clear: messing about with the front page just because you "liked it better before" is trolling and will be handled as such. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]]

::uh, how does this change improve my life? I guess the layout is more functional, but as for improvement, I don't think it really adds anything to the site.

::: I agree. It looks more crowded and ugly. Needs more color, like the homestar runner website. Keeping the new layout is fine, we just need smaller banners. (Btw, why is keeping the old layout trolling, yet putting up a worse layout not? I agree with your point, I just find that statement a very harsh thing that goes agenst the wiki spirit.) Also, this layout looks like crap at 800x600 --[[User:James|James]] 13:52, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)
::::The reason reverting to the old layout is trolling is quite simple: Tom (one of the mods) is the one that did the redesign, and since the mods have the most say in how the Wiki is set up, they have authority. Changing it back because you don't like this new version, therefore, is showing contempt for the mods and so on and so forth. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 14:58, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::::What about coming up with a better design that everyone likes? Is this ok? --[[User:James|James]] 18:22, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::Can't we settle this with a vote? --[[User:Lunar Jesters|Lunar Jesters]] 18:17, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::I don't know. Whichever wins, a whole mess of people would be mad. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]|[[User Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

::Afraid of change, no. Liked the banners, yes. :( --[[User:Southpaw018|Southpaw018]] 21:47, 18 Nov 2004 (MST)

::The banners were awesome and the new design is awful. I downloaded the banners (thanks Tom) and I am willing to make new ones (that's part of what I do for a living). I will make a couple and see what everyone thinks.-[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]

::I'll help if you need it. I made the origenal banners that started this whole thing off anyway. :-) --[[User:James|James]] 14:46, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::DONE! Here is one --> [[:Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]. I kept the theme of the old banners. If there are any changes you would like to see, tell me. Let me know if you want to use these and I will make the other two.-[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]

:::Thats a little small, ain't it? what about something 200 pixels wide? --[[User:James|James]] 18:33, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::[[Image:knowledgebase-banner-200px.png]] {200 x 50 px} [[Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]{100 x 50 px} -[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]
:::: That looks great! Could you make the other two sctions also? The "External Links" one might have to be larger, as that section goes all the way across the bottom of the page. --[[User:James|James]] 12:47, 23 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::: I will go ahead and do the other two soon. I am going to do them all the same size and then we can decide if the one needs to be bigger and exactly how much bigger.[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]] 20:20, 23 Nov 2004 (MST)

::::Nevermind...External links has been moved.[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]] 09:17, 24 Nov 2004 (MST)

Also, it is really annoying that the "knowledge base" frame is about 10% bigger than the "Wiki Stuff" frame. Why is this?-[[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]]

::Yes! I've been noticing this and it's driving me up the wall. If anything, the "Wiki stuff" frame should be bigger simply because there is more text that wraps on it. Having it smaller then "Knowledge base" is retarded, mostly since the "Knowledge base" frame has very little text that extends all the way to the border. --[[User:James|James]] 18:21, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

I just did a quick preview of the main page with equal frames and it looks so much better then when it's 10% off. Theres absolutely no reason I see for the 10% diffrence. Or is there something I'm missing? --[[User:James|James]] 18:26, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::Hi James. I'm glad you are thinking of changes for the Main Page. However, I'd like to ask that you refrain from using words such as "retarded" as this can be offensive to developmentally disabled people.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:04, 19 Nov 2004 (MST)

::::Ok. Sorry. --[[User:James|James]] 17:09, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

:::::ARGH! I just started this thread to comment, not to have a "This is better, shut up this is better" argument. I was figuratively saying that I almost lost my lunch. I don't really give a care if we go back to the banners and just keep our look. I was just offering an opinion. --[[User:Homsar999|Homsar999]] 13:29, 24 Nov 2004 (CST)

== New Banners ==

I'm happy to see that [[User:Your Fuzzy God|Your Fuzzy God]] has created some proposals for new banners. I'm sure as many of you have already done, I've tried them on the page in a quick "preview". (Please note that they most likely will be contained in code like ''<nowiki><div style="float:right;margin-left:1em;width:100px">[[Image:knowledgebase-banner-small.png]]</div></nowiki>'' so that they will float to the appropriate area in the section.) While they do add somewhat to the page, I think they could be improved upon. While a small width must be maintained, I don't think it would create a problem if the image had a greater height. If anyone cares to propose more images, just add them to the discussion here.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 17:40, 26 Nov 2004 (MST)

== The Character Silhouettes ==

I think Joey Day has the solution for us, looking at the main page now. Skipping the whole banners or no argument and doing something that integrates itself perfectly into the new design? Very very nice. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 14:06, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

:I love those, but perhaps resize one to be the same general dimensions as the other? It bothers me slightly. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 14:43, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

::Hm. I actually shrunk Strong Bad a bit because I thought he looked too big compared to Homestar. Now that I've watched a few toons I've realized Strond Bad just has a really big head. I'm not at home now or I would redo the image right now. I'll try to do it later tonight. [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] —[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 16:09, 29 Nov 2004 (MST)

:One other small adjustment: I think the characters could stand to be just a little darker; I can hardly see them on my laptop unless I move my screen to just the right angle. Otherwise, it looks really good. Nice job, JoeyDay. --[[User:oddtodd|oddtodd]] 14:41, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

== Enhancement/Modification of Logo==

Props to the individual who tweaked the wiki's main logo image that appears in the upper left-hand corner. It certainly says something about our wiki - I love the polished look and it really is a marked improvement. --[[User:The Paper|The Paper]] 15:02, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

:Thanks. I've been meaning to modify it for some time now. The text was way too small before. Did you also notice I swapped out the default mediawiki background for a more better homestar styled background? You can see it best on a short page like [[Labor Day|this one]]. [[User:JoeyDay|<nowiki></nowiki>]] —[[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] [[User talk:JoeyDay|(Talk)]] 22:41, 1 Dec 2004 (MST)

::Now that's really cool. I like both the new logo and the new background. --[[User:oddtodd|oddtodd]] 20:28, 2 Dec 2004 (MST)
::Yeah, I like the new background and logo. You may as well call it Mono[[The Field|TheField]]. [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]-<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|✎</tt>]] 20:37, 22 Dec 2004 (MST)

:: Good call on the background. I never noticed. But yea, now I notice a lack of lines along the top. You've really done a good job of personalizing the Wiki. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 12:47, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)

== Hello ==

What is a wiki, this is crazy, can someone like tell me what to do, i look at HR weekly, anyone got any new updates

:One thing is we use correct grammar. Which includes correct capitolization and punctuation. To find out about this "crazy place", read up at the [[HRWiki:About]] page, or ask up any questions in the [[Help:Contents|Help Desk]]. (Oh, and for updates, there's a little thing called [http://www.homestarrunner.com homestarrunner.com] where there's this thing in the corner. It usually has updates, if I'm not mistaking. :) ) But anyways, a wiki is very easy to use if you know how, which you will learn at the [[HRWiki:About]] page. Trust me. You'll love it here if you decide to stick around.→''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

== Gr8 Job! ==

You guys do a great job at keeping troublemakers from ruining this site.

If someone would have asked me about the concept of Wiki before I saw it in action, I probably would have been very skeptical that trasher control would be effective.

Boy was I wrong.

Thanks FortyTwo and all you great detrollers out there!

:Wow, A shoutout! *sniff* I'm touched... Thanks! --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 19:53, 28 Dec 2004 (MST)

== What the crap? ==

Why am I not on the list of registered users? --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]

:You're number 439.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:42, 30 Dec 2004 (MST)

== 2004/2005 Tsunami Donation Link ==

I was just reading up on the [[Wikipedia:2004 Indian Ocean Earthquake|Indian Ocean Earthquake]] and realized how incredibly horrible this event was, and I'm seriously thinking we need some kind of banner to a donation link to the Wikipedia donation page. Or something like that. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

How very specific your request is.
-[[User:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf|Fhq]]

Fhq, what's your point? It's a good idea, don't give him crap because he's thinking larger than himself.
Bird, perhaps you should send Joey a PM on the forum. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]]

:Just in case anyone was wondering, we won't be adding a notice to the Main Page. If you'd like to put a notice on your userpage, that would be acceptable.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 20:14, 7 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Dubious reference solution ==

Over the past few Strongbad e-mail articles, I've read a lot of (to be frank) farfetched suggestions of references that TBCs are presumably making to other stuff. Maybe, if you're 100% sure that something is intended as a reference (for example, a character name or line very specific to one TV show), then it's fine to say it's a reference. But if something just seems to remind you of something else (for example, a song that sounds kinda-sorta like a song that was played in the 23rd episode of some TV series), then it's more accurate to say that it is '''reminiscent''' of something, rather than a reference to something.

Just a suggestion.

:A wonderful suggestion, and it goes along with the ongoing discussion we are having regarding the overhaul of our current fun fact system. Thank you for your concern and idea.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 14:52, 13 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Locking down the main page ==

I visited today and noticed that the main page had been defaced. Someone else restored the last known good version, but it seems to me that the front page should not be editable by just anyone for this exact reason. Even the main page of Wikipedia is off-limits to anyone except staff...
:Yeah, I want the main page protected as well... [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]-<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|✎</tt>]] 14:05, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)
-It happened again. This must be done NOW.

:Look, the template does nothing to prevent trolling; it's a redundancy. Locking down the Main Page is a good way to go, since nothing really changes there, anyway. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 14:26, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

I find it funny how the MediaWiki's been around for at least 5 months now and only NOW are people starting to complain about wanting the Main Page locked down. Personally, I think it's prime idiot bait, as in "if you deface the main page, you're automatically not fit to be on the wiki." --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 15:02, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

You could have a way to detect whether someone is severely defaceing the page or not. --[[User:67.161.224.65|67.161.224.65]]

::Okay, due to several requests and the seeming lack of need to update the Main Page, I've protected it. Please note that I do not like having it protected, this being a wiki and all, but I agree that it really doesn't need to be edited that much and is just sitting there as troll fodder. Thanks to all who helped with that last batch of defacement.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:12, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

:::I never change the main page, so I'm pretty happy with that, but I do have one concern. Might the Trollers who automatically go to work on the Main Page to start with, now be forced to move onto smaller, harder to detect defacements on other pages? What if we're only spreading the diease? [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 18:46, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::::A good concern, and lucky for me I have this wonderful ditty to cite:
::::''...the fact is that for every troll with too much spare time, there are 100 users with just as much spare time ready and eager to undo that troll's (un)work. The fact is, the trolls always get bored before the users do, because the users are emotionally invested in what they've created and the Wiki moves fast enough that the average trolling only lasts about two minutes before it's reverted. A troll's work is hardly ever noticed by anybody, but a legitimate user's work is always noticed and appreciated. That's why wikis work. — InterruptorJones 15:37, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)'' ([[User_talk:FireBird#Question_from_Troll|ref]])
::::Simply put, that's just how wikis work. We'll notice no matter where or how small, and they will get tired.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:55, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)

::::::That is, unless said troll or trolls are emotionally invested in destroying the wiki. --Guest

::Good answer, thanks. Come to think of it, I guess if everyone has on their watchlist the pages they created, or just care for, then likely whatever page is edited will be watched by SOMEBODY. Thanks for the quick reply. [[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 17:36, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)

== Rejects? ==
Where did Rejects go?? What the? -- Asploder

:Away. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]— [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]][[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 23:57, 5 Feb 2005 (MST)

::Yes, they're all categorised now, but I don't know where they went. [[User:woddfellow2|<nowiki></nowiki>]]—<tt>[[User:woddfellow2|woddfellow2]]|[[User talk:woddfellow2|✎</tt>]] 18:08, 14 Feb 2005 (MST)

They all went to better places. Characters are now characters, items are now classified as items. Fancy that ;) [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 21:48, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

== Confusion over moving dates ==

The [[Main Page]] says that HRWiki will be moving 'from early Friday morning (Feb. 25) to late Sunday evening (Feb. 27)', but every other page says 'early Friday morning (Mar. 4) to late Sunday evening (Mar. 6)'. Someone should probably fix that on the main page, as it appears it's not closed presently. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 05:04, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)

:The date changed. A hard refresh (likely ctrl+F5) of the Main Page should clear your cache and solve the problem.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:16, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)

== New ==

Hi, I'm new and not on the list.--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 09:19, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)
:Yes you are, you're number 895 →[[User:evin290|evin290]] 09:50, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

what number am i?--[[User:spikymann|spikymann]] 10:03, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Here, [[Special:Listusers|find out for yourself]]. -- [[User:AgentSeethroo|AgentSeethroo]] 10:46, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

Thanks--[[User:mailman8|mailman8]] 11:10, 1 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Favorite Character List ==
It think it might be nice if some o' you guys set up a "Most Popular Character" page to find out who are the most popular main characters in the Homestar Runner universe. There seems to be enough wiki users here to get an acurate idea. In this page, people would say who their favorite character is on the talk section (and their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, etc favorite as well if they want.) and then someone would add them all up into a graph to show who are the most/least popular character and so on. (And remember, MAIN characters only) To keep things simple, it could be a character would get 8 "popularity points" for being a first favorite, 7 for second, 6 for third, and so on. Whoever gets the highest popularity points goes in the most favorite section. Also, only registered users count. I dunno... this could be difficult and messy and inaccuriate, but if done right it could be very interesting.
Anyways... opinions anyone? --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 15:46, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

:Sorry, but this here's a vote for no. I think it could be a good idea under a different venu, such as the [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/Main_Page Fanstuff Wiki], or perhaps a poll in the [http://forum.hrwiki.org/ Forum]. But since this is simply a knowledge base, it wouldn't really fit in too well.
[[User:Thunderbird L17|''<tt>[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]]</tt>'']] 16:37, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

::I agree with Thunderbird. It's just not necessary. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::What if it was made in Fanstuff Wiki? Don't care too much if it never happens. Besides, I wouldn't have the know-how and stuff to make a page like that anyway. Someone else would have had to do it. --[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 17:09, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

::::Yeah, that'd be awesome. Run with it. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::::I went and I ran with it. You can check it out in the Interactive section of Fanstuff H*R Wiki. :) It's called, "Character Popularity"--[[User:Joshua|Joshua]] 16:47, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

== Article of the day? ==

Why not have a featured article like Wikipedia?

:We don't have any featured articles, so we couldn't have a featured article of the day.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:49, 22 Mar 2005 (MST)

::We could do it like the [http://216.32.91.95/Main_Page Fark.com] Wiki does it. Each month has 7 articles (one for each day of the week) that rotate around every month. For instance, you create a page called [[HRWiki:Featured article/Tuesday, March]] then just do an include on the main page like:

<nowiki>== Featured article ==
{{HRWiki:Featured article/{{CURRENTDAY}}, {{CURRENTMONTH}}}}</nowiki>

That would run automatically for a whole month with only 7 articles.

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== Developing this page ==
See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents Wikipedia's help page] for when I am getting most of this from. Really I'm just trying to get this started. I know we are going to need much more. Any ideas? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 07:25, 29 Jul 2004 (MST)

=== Question about piped links ===
''[moved to discussion page]''
*The piped link to properly sort items in Categories doesn’t seem to work yet [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 13:05, 13 Sep 2004 (MST)
**I noticed this last week. If you make a category link a piped link, the bit after the pipe is ''supposed'' to be the sort key for the category page, e.g. for The Cheat you could do <nowiki>[[Category:Characters|Cheat, The]]</nowiki> in order to make The Cheat appear under the C's and not the T's. But for some reason this doesn't work here. Any ideas, anybody? -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 13:22, 13 Sep 2004 (MST)
***The correct way to link to a category is <tt><nowiki>[[:Category:Characters]]</nowiki></tt>, which will result in [[:Category:Characters]]. [[User:noclip|noclip]]

== Recent changes RSS ==

It seems the RSS and ATOM feeds of the Recent Changes page aren't getting all the changes. I really can't tell why it's picking up what it does or why it omits what it does, but this could use a look. --[[User:Southpaw018|Southpaw018]] 05:23, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

== FAQ Talk Clearing ==

Should we begin to clear out the FAQ Talk page? It's beginning to look cluttered. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:Nah, it's fine.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:03, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)

::The "Ask Away" heading really looks nice. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::Sweet.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:20, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)

Help talk:Contents

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== Developing this page ==
See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents Wikipedia's help page] for when I am getting most of this from. Really I'm just trying to get this started. I know we are going to need much more. Any ideas? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 07:25, 29 Jul 2004 (MST)

=== Question about piped links ===
''[moved to discussion page]''
*The piped link to properly sort items in Categories doesn’t seem to work yet [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 13:05, 13 Sep 2004 (MST)
**I noticed this last week. If you make a category link a piped link, the bit after the pipe is ''supposed'' to be the sort key for the category page, e.g. for The Cheat you could do <nowiki>[[Category:Characters|Cheat, The]]</nowiki> in order to make The Cheat appear under the C's and not the T's. But for some reason this doesn't work here. Any ideas, anybody? -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 13:22, 13 Sep 2004 (MST)
***The correct way to link to a category is <tt><nowiki>[[:Category:Characters]]</nowiki></tt> [[User:noclip|noclip]]

== Recent changes RSS ==

It seems the RSS and ATOM feeds of the Recent Changes page aren't getting all the changes. I really can't tell why it's picking up what it does or why it omits what it does, but this could use a look. --[[User:Southpaw018|Southpaw018]] 05:23, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

== FAQ Talk Clearing ==

Should we begin to clear out the FAQ Talk page? It's beginning to look cluttered. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:Nah, it's fine.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:03, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)

::The "Ask Away" heading really looks nice. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::Sweet.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:20, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)

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== Developing this page ==
See [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Contents Wikipedia's help page] for when I am getting most of this from. Really I'm just trying to get this started. I know we are going to need much more. Any ideas? -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 07:25, 29 Jul 2004 (MST)

=== Question about piped links ===
''[moved to discussion page]''
*The piped link to properly sort items in Categories doesn’t seem to work yet [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 13:05, 13 Sep 2004 (MST)
**I noticed this last week. If you make a category link a piped link, the bit after the pipe is ''supposed'' to be the sort key for the category page, e.g. for The Cheat you could do <nowiki>[[Category:Characters|Cheat, The]]</nowiki> in order to make The Cheat appear under the C's and not the T's. But for some reason this doesn't work here. Any ideas, anybody? -- [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 13:22, 13 Sep 2004 (MST)
***The correct way to link to a category is:
<tt><nowiki>[[:Category:Characters]]</nowiki></tt> [[User:noclip|noclip]]

== Recent changes RSS ==

It seems the RSS and ATOM feeds of the Recent Changes page aren't getting all the changes. I really can't tell why it's picking up what it does or why it omits what it does, but this could use a look. --[[User:Southpaw018|Southpaw018]] 05:23, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

== FAQ Talk Clearing ==

Should we begin to clear out the FAQ Talk page? It's beginning to look cluttered. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:Nah, it's fine.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:03, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)

::The "Ask Away" heading really looks nice. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

:::Sweet.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 09:20, 3 Jan 2005 (MST)