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Talk:Strong Bad Email

Origonalname — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:29:43 GMT

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*Create an article with the title of the new email (as listed on the [[HR:sbemail.html|Strong Bad Email menu]]) with the content <tt><nowiki>{{subst:newsbemail|###}}</nowiki></tt> (substitute the new email number for <tt>###</tt>). If you already know the forum thread number, use <tt><nowiki>{{subst:newsbemail|###|#####}}</nowiki></tt>.
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*Update main [[Strong Bad Email]] list, and the [[Template:Strong Bad Email|template list]].
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**On the [[Compé]] page, update the total count of emails checked.
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*Update [[Template:whatsnew]], [[H*R.com updates {{CURRENTYEAR}}]], [[New Stuff]], and [[All Toons]] with an entry to the new toon.
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== No. of words per e-mail? ==

Hmm... We should make a page that says how many words there are on the sender's email... Does anyone agree? [[User:Sp0ng3b0b|Sp0ng3b0b]] 10:06, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:I'm not sure how that would be useful information...{{User:Loafing/sig}} 10:40, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

== Main Story Arc ==

Just wondering if we should start compiling a main story arc page thing for the strong bad e-mails. Not all of the e-mails of course are a part of the main story arc for the strong bad e-mails. Though, it could take some time before such a thing is compiled. There are also other arcs as well (I believe), but I wouldn't know what to name them. {{User:Iyeru/sig}}
:...What main story arc? --[[User:Belthazar|Belthazar]] 20:54, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
::Let's see here... lappy getting stolen, paper dying-ish, virus email, tandy exploding, etc. {{User:Iyeru/sig}}
:::Those are all different stories and/or story arcs, not a main one.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:14, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
::::That and if anything, they're more of a running gag than a story arc. --[[User:Belthazar|Belthazar]] 01:45, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

== Finished ==

Hey guys, um, I think TBC are finished with sbemails. I have two reasons:
A. They said in the email thunder commentary that they were done
B. I just tried to email strong bad, and it said that the address was dead, like, they closed the e-mail account.
So should we put that on the page?
--[[User:Crudely Drawn Cupcake|Crudely Drawn Cupcake]] 01:13, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:I sent him something and it made it through. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 01:25, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
::Seconded, no weird errors. Are you sure you typed the email address correctly? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:28, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
I just clicked on the paper at the end, and also, what about the whole commentary thing?--[[User:Crudely Drawn Cupcake|Crudely Drawn Cupcake]] 02:19, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:Then it means your browser isn't set up for the link from the paper to work, and i still hold the opinion that the commentary is them messing with us. But it's really pointless to discuss hre anyway, as it has no bearing on the page. If they make more, we'll report it, if they give a sure sign that they're over, we'll report that. Nothing to do in the meantime, and any speculation is pretty much pointless. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:22, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
::Is it speculation if TGITC say it? I mean TBC not TGITC. --{{User:Blow Up the Ocean/sig}} 01:17, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Perhaps? --{{User:Blow Up the Ocean/sig}}
If they actually officially ''announce'' that they're over with the Sbemails, then I think it'll certainly be notable to post. However, what they said on the commentary may ''or'' may not be true, considering that TBC are rather evil in that they like to mess with our heads all the time. As such, it isn't notable enough to be put on the page. If you guys want to continue speculating, you may want to take it over to the [http://forum.hrwiki.org/ forum], where your comments will be better received. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 05:42, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
:Do you post on the forum? --{{User:Blow Up the Ocean/sig}} 05:47, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
We're now coming up on 6 months since the last sbemail. My opinion is, if the 23rd of March comes and goes with no sbemail, the page should change to the past tense. --Cydonos 20:29, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
:No. It is not our decision to officially declare the end of Strong Bad Emails. When TBC themselves announce that they're not going to do anymore emails during a public appearance or interview (the [[email thunder]] commentary does NOT count), only ''then'' do we change the page to the past tense. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 20:46, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Why does the commentray not count? What law are you citing? SBEmails are over, except for specials and whatnot. I am calling it. Remember that you read it here. [[Special:Contributions/98.216.8.68|98.216.8.68]] 12:01, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:You're calling it? You're hardly the first. The reason we don't give the commentary much weight is that it's clear that they hadn't discussed it ahead of time, and they don't take their own commentaries very seriously. They've been known to say things simply for the shock or humor value. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:42, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, there's a "Best of sbemails" DVD now, and the "Best of X" is usually only after show or franchise ends, plus the "Sbemailiraization" seems to explain why they won't be doing sbemails anymore! -A logged-out Waferman [[Special:Contributions/71.190.163.41|71.190.163.41]] 19:39, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
:We know all of this, but until they announce that emails are over in a serious interview or on the website, we're not going to declare anything as being official. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:11, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

in an easteregg on [[email thunder]] that says that the poopsmith will break his silence every 200 sbemails. im not sure, but that could be an evidence of more sbemails! --[[User:Safariventureman|Safariventureman]] 19:51, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

== pop culture satire? ==

In the intro we list 3 emails that satirize pop culture, japanese cartoon, action figure, and isp. The anime satire's pretty solid, but I dunno how prominent action figures and bandwidth are in current pop culture. Should we consider replacing those examples with ones that satirize even more prominent aspects of pop culture? (I dunno what they'd be, too lazy to look right now.) -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.130|132.183.151.130]] 22:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

:Well, I certainly can't think of a reason not to do so. --[[Special:Contributions/69.19.14.19|69.19.14.19]] 15:04, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

== Typing ==
I might never understand how Strong Bad types so fast. Especially with boxing gloves on! [[User:Fingerface|Fingerface]] 21:04, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
::That's {{pl|l=http://www.forum.hrwiki.org forum talk}}, kid. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 21:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== Gaps ==

I know that there's gaps noted, and how sometimes its noted on the site, like with the [[LELLOWTAPE]] in [[redesign]]. But should it be noted about the beginning of hremail 3184 where strong bad finishes off homestar's hremail to start his new email, and saying that he's coming out of e-tirement? its me, crudely drawn cupcake, it can't sign in.--[[Special:Contributions/173.71.176.27|173.71.176.27]] 20:58, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== sbemail201 > hremail3184 ==

hremal3184 should be taken over 201, as sbemail201 isn't a file. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 14:21, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, but do we call flashback sbemailahundred or email thunder sbemailtwohundred, or do we call senior prom kotpoptoon? [[USER:SBE-MAIL CHECKER DAN]] was here at 10:23 AM
::the first two you mentioned are numbers, so those are fine. But I don't think the latter works. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 14:28, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Right, so hremail3184 shouldn't work, cuz it's not a sbemail number. If it were a Hremail page with the different eras (which there are only two definetely known) then i'd under stand. But in this case, we should keep it sbemail201 User:SBE CHECK DAN. 10:33
::::I think you misunderstood me. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 14:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== Hremails too! ==
I think Hremails count as sbemails too, so that means there have been 205 emails so far, not 202. So can we please put hremails on this page? [[User:MICGAGUH]]
:No, hremails are hremails, sbemails are sbemails, and neither are the same. ('cept for hremail3184, but...) USER: Sbemail Checker Dan
:well, technically, long pants and caper were sbemails AND hremails, according to email thunder...

== Premature Era? ==

Does anyone think it's premature to call this the "Corpy Era?" He's only used it for one email. We don't have, like, Pom Pilot and Tangerine Dreams eras. We don't yet know whether Stro Bro will continue to use this computer as his main email-checking hardware. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.140.54|132.183.140.54]] 19:12, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:I'm afraid this kind of question is for the forums. --[[Special:Contributions/76.224.216.122|76.224.216.122]] 19:15, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::No, this isn't a forum question. Why on Earth would you think so?! Anyway, it's an interesting question. [[the bird]] clearly took place between two Tandy emails, as did [[weird dream]]. But is this a Lappy-era email? An ''[insert computer here]''-era email? Hard to say at this point. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:21, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::If Strong Bad checks at least two more emails on the Corpy, I guess we'll call that an era, albeit a very small one. But what if he gets a new computer in the next email? I guess it would then be best to call [[imaginary]] a Lappy-era email, since the ''[insert computer here]''-era should probably start with the email in which ''[insert computer here]'' is introduced. [[User:Omnisweater|Omnisweater]] 19:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::::I think given the limited info available, what we have is fine for now. If the Corpy turns out to be a one-off interim computer, then I'd guess [[imaginary]] would belong to the Lappy era per Omnisweater's reasoning and the Corpy email menu would be treated like the [[Broken Tandy Menu|Broken Tandy and ]][[Broken Compy Menu]]s. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:23, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Why on earth would we put them in Lappy era? the Lappy's dead. Why not a "Mixed Computer Era" instead? [[User:FalconPuncher]] 6:55 PM
::::::I think it has been pretty well established now that the new computer is the [[Compy Catalog|Compy Compé]], and while the corpy email might not fit perfectly into either era, I'm of the opinion that a single sbemail can't really constitute an era as defined by the english language and therefore should be merged into the previous/next era anyway. --[[Special:Contributions/121.223.243.95|121.223.243.95]] 06:23, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I just changed it to "Transition" instead of "Era" so that we don't have to merge it to either one. I don't think it fits in either era actually. (I guess it's still speculative though) {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 06:29, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::what about tangerine dreams? we should make tandy and broken tandy seperate eras and the email weird dream a transition like imaginary.
:::::::::I think the reason why we're making a whole different section for the Corpy is because it's a whole different computer that had its own menu, not just a "broken" version of one computer. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 15:17, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::but, the broken tandy had it's own menu also, and strong bad checked weird dream on the cheat's computer for the same reason he checked imaginary on the corpy: because his home computer broke.
I'd like to renew this discussion, mainly because it looks odd to have a one-email-long section. To avoid repeating myself, I'll instead direct you my comments above beginning "If the Corpy turns out to be a one-off interim computer". (Which it did.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:10, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:What Dot com suggests makes sense. Originally, I didn't mind the section by itself since the Corpy had its own menu. However, looking back, a menu by itself shouldn't represent an "[[Wikipedia:Era|era]]", not even a mini-era. That said, I do think we do need some section clearly listing which emails were done on non-era machines. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:01, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::It's clearly after the lappy era though. that's why it doesn't fit in the lappy menu; it was never on that menu. and the email came out before strong bad even knew about the compé, so it was clearly before the compé era. do y'all have a problem with the word "transition"? it's used there to mean that it isn't an era at all. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 20:29, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, that's one of the questions we need to answer. What is an era? Why is it useful to split the emails into eras? (Note that it {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Strong_Bad_Email&oldid=289450 hasn't always been that way}}.) Depending on the definition, is it possible to have an email that belongs to no era? Do the aesthetics of not having an email by itself come into play at all? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:08, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::::I think to answer these questions we need to look at why they were created in the first place and its [[Talk:Strong_Bad_Email/Archive_3#Era_labels|accompanying discussion]]. They were first made for aesthetic and organizational reasons, letting us better manage the growing list of emails. The nomenclature seemed to be, at first, an afterthought, and only with time has it evolved into the serious business that it is. I think we should, in this case, prioritize organization and aesthetics, and if our lists don't overlap eras, then they should just be marked as such or noted somewhere. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:28, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think that we should have a section further down the page called "Transition eras". This is were we not only list the Corpy email, but the pom pilot and tangerine dreams email as well. Any one else share this thought? [[User:Origonalname|Origonalname]] 20:29, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

== Flinger's Menu ==

Starting at this email ([[imaginary]]), the sbemails page doesn't say Denny's Menu --[[User:Smahksilae|Smahksilae]] 03:45, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
yes,and it has a subject bar that look's like lappy, i wonder why nobody noticed it before??? --[[User:Lamer99|Lamer99]] 14:32, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

== SBEmails? ==

Why does everyone think that Arcade Game, Puppet Time, Lookin' at a Thing in a Bag, Superbowl Dealie, and Rotten Eggs are sbemails? Half of them don't even mention the word "email" in them (NO, "SBEMAIL NEXT WEEK" OR "DUE TO THE SUPERBOWL, THE SBEMAIL WILL BE LATE THIS WEEK" DOES NOT COUNT). Just because the Compy appears doesn't mean it's an email. The NQSBEMails should only be ones that mention Strong Bad checking an email (Weclome Back, for example), ones that are a teaser for a milestone (Not The 100th Sbemail, SBEmail 150?!?), or ones that have an actual email and he answers it (SBCG4AP and Sick Day). -[[USER: SBE-MAIL CHECKER DAN]] 9:58 AM, July 23rd, 2009
:Yes, but those cartoons are different from regular "Shorts" in the way that they are made to show that there will be a new Sbemail soon. For example, you don't see a notice after most of the regular cartoons saying "Holiday Toon next week" or something close to that. Because they can't be grouped like the normal cartoons, they're grouped as NQSbemails. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 15:25, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
::Dan: That's not what our definition of Not Quite Strong Bad Emails is (emphasis on the "Not Quite"). The only thing that matters is that each of these shorts "were originally associated in one way or another with the Strong Bad Emails". That's it. Sure, some of them fill in gaps between emails while others were just notes stuck on the Compy's screen, but they all meet the minimum criterion. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:11, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Oh, well, could we at least put Homestar Ruiner and StrongBadia the Free on there? They opened up with an email, and all five episodes had minor, optional, emails. SBE CHEK DAN (don't feel like righting the whole thing)
::::Does [[Compy Catalog]] count as a Not Quite Strong Bad Email? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 06:33, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yes. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 06:58, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

== random.bat ==

Has anyone noticed that there is no random button?
:Yes. It's noted in the remarks section. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 19:34, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

== Loading... and Loading... and Loading... ==

Today, the sbemail menu keeps on loading and loading and loading. If you use the greasemonkey script to fast forward past the loading screen, you'll notice there are no emails on the random.bat thing. Also, doing this may cause Firefox to hang and give an error. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 13:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
:Works for me. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:36, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
::And me. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 22:40, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
:::That's because it was fixed when you replied. Sorry I didn't take a screenshot. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 13:14, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
::::All that happened was that rando.xml was unavailable for whatever reason. You can duplicate the effect by saving the menu file and opening it locally. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 13:31, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

== Corpy ==

Are we going to leave the corpy menu on there? It was only one email. {{User:The thing/sig}} 01:55, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:Yes. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:05, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, good, I-- did you say yes? Why, What's The Point we might as well put [[from work]] in there, and [[Pom Pilot|you forgot this]]. {{User:Meaty85203/sig}} 05:00, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
:::It did have its own unique menu with unique text, though. That text has to go somewhere! --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:02, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
::::I'm pretty sure we only do that for SBEmail MENUS [[user:sbe-mail checker dan]]
:::::It should really go, I mean its not the first time there was a special menu, what about the time they used a notepad for the menu, and when the compy blew up, its not really an era, just a extra.[guest]

== The Widescreen Dilemma ==

The lappy screen measures about 5:8 ratio. The Compe (using linux, no ALT Shortcuts) screen measures about 14:25 ratio. The compe is obviously widescreen, but, I believe the lappy is clearly not widescreen. Meaning that if the compe is actually used, it will be the first computer for strong bad that is widescreen. Should this be noted here or on the compe page? {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 00:59, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
:Probably the Compe (no numpad) page, but let's wait until (if?) he uses it if we do mention it. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 01:01, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

== compe menu (i forget the alt shortcut) ==

is there a way to remove that black border around the green?

== Compe styled era box? ==

I just [[User:ColdReactive/sandbox|made this]], how's it look? {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 18:17, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
:Great, you just might want to lessen the width of the border, and check it with the CSS of the Lappy style:
<pre>
#bodyContent blockquote.email, #article blockquote.email, #mw_contentholder blockquote.email {
border: 4px solid #cc9;
background: #000;
background-image: url(/skins/common/images/emailbackground.gif);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
background-position: bottom right;
color: #fff;
font-weight: bold;
padding: 1em;
font-family: courier new, monospace;
width: 500px;
}
</pre>

The Strong Bad head width could be changed a bit. Can't really take a look at the code right now, but make sure you're using <code><nowiki><blockquote></nowiki></code>. You may want to make another version that looks like the email client as well, since we will probably use that one and the one you've already made. Got to get back to the transcript. {{User:Soiled Bargains/sig}} 18:28, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
:I'm not using a block quote (I AM using a block quote around the autocolumn though as per normal), I'm using a custom DIV for the strong bad head because blockquotes won't fit nicely above/inside the grass area. I edited it more to tone down on that big black border. I added a more transparent PNG of SB's head, and I explained about the minimum size of the era box. I have now also added a transcript box for the compe. Please take a look at it as well. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 18:34, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
::The transcript version is nice! I would change the <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code> that holds the message into a <code><nowiki></nowiki></code>, with a CSS <code>display:block;</code> property and a <code>padding:4px;</code> property, remove the nesting, and it's good to go. The <code>background:transparent;</code> properties should be rid of as they are of no use. The fact that we're using divs to substitute for the double-line bottom border doesn't feel right with me, but right now I can't think of anything better. Great job! {{User:Soiled Bargains/sig}} 02:12, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm wondering why the grass doesn't scroll with the page, instead acting like a window to a grassy field that gets moved around it. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:15, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

:::: '''Soiled Bargains''' thanks for the span thing. '''Defender''' that's because the image has a background attachment of fixed, it will scroll showing various parts of the grass picture when scrolling. You guys can try tweaking these boxes to your liking and see what's best, I would much like to see the fruits of my imagination/labor used on sbemails. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 02:32, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

:::::ColdReactive, is there some way you could use the original grass desktop image instead of the one you have now? I'd get it for you if I had a better Flash decompiler. [[User:Omnisweater|Omnisweater]] 16:06, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

:::::<s>Any good flash decompilers for linux? Because that's what I use. Flash CS3 doesn't work in wine either, otherwise I'd try it. Because I [http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=681701 can't ask on the Ubuntu Forums].</s> Nevermind, I found one: http://www.swftools.org {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 16:22, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::I love it, but get a background that and can be repeated. That way, the size wouldn't matter.--{{User:Crudely Drawn Cupcake/sig}} 22:09, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Unfortunately, the background used on the Compe doesn't repeat, and we're not gonna pick some other background because that would defeat the purpose. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:11, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

::::::::Okay, I've softened the image up. Is it good enough to use? Or do you want to try to make it look better more defender? {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 22:43, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Wow, that looks good enough to eat! Or at least...; use as a background! Good jorb! {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:44, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Yeah, that looks awesome! The other Compé template (the one used when he reads emails) looks great too. [[User:Omnisweater|Omnisweater]] 23:23, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

: (time to go back down *cough*) Thanks you guys, especially for the help so far. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 23:24, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
:: The background looks good, but it isn't wide enough. It cuts off on my screen. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:03, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Shouldn't this block quote have the same border as the Tandy, Compy, and Lappy block quotes? It also is a different size in length than the previous ones. The Corpy block quote should be changed to have the same border and size also. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 15:25, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::: You guys can continue to experiment if you want. But be advise that making the background bigger may cause pixelation again, making you blur it more, making the grass less visible for lower resolutions. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 19:57, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

== Font ==

When you use the randomizer on the compé menu (right click and play on the flash file, wait for <s>an atrociously long time</s> a few seconds) the one it selects is in the lappy's font. where does this remark belong? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 03:20, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Strong Bad Email

Origonalname — Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:29:22 GMT

Origonalname: /* Premature Era? */

{{Template:Talk:Strong Bad Email}}
{{featuredarticle}}
{{talkchecklist|Checklist for new Strong Bad Email:}}
*Create an article with the title of the new email (as listed on the [[HR:sbemail.html|Strong Bad Email menu]]) with the content <tt><nowiki>{{subst:newsbemail|###}}</nowiki></tt> (substitute the new email number for <tt>###</tt>). If you already know the forum thread number, use <tt><nowiki>{{subst:newsbemail|###|#####}}</nowiki></tt>.
*Update [[Template:sbemail]]. Be sure to set the value of "last" to the new email.
*Update main [[Strong Bad Email]] list, and the [[Template:Strong Bad Email|template list]].
*On the main [[Strong Bad Email]] page, update the total emails and various fun facts.
**On the [[Compé]] page, update the total count of emails checked.
*Update each list in the Strong Bad Email [[Template:StrongBadEmailInfo|navigation template]] (and verify in each page's history that the previous week's entries were updated as well).
*Update [[Template:recenttoons]].
*Update [[HRWiki:Subtitles/Data#Strong Bad Emails]].
*Link the email page to the forum and vice versa, if necessary.
*Redirect <tt><nowiki>[[</nowiki>sbemail###]]</tt>, <tt><nowiki>[[</nowiki>sbemail ###]]</tt>, and <tt><nowiki>[[</nowiki>Strong Bad Email ###]]</tt> to the current email.
*Update [[Template:whatsnew]], [[H*R.com updates {{CURRENTYEAR}}]], [[New Stuff]], and [[All Toons]] with an entry to the new toon.
*Update [[Secret Pages XML Source#Random Toon XML File]] with [[HR:rando.xml|rando.xml]] (click View->Page Source and copy/paste).
*Check your work using [[Special:Sbemailcheck]].
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== No. of words per e-mail? ==

Hmm... We should make a page that says how many words there are on the sender's email... Does anyone agree? [[User:Sp0ng3b0b|Sp0ng3b0b]] 10:06, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
:I'm not sure how that would be useful information...{{User:Loafing/sig}} 10:40, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

== Main Story Arc ==

Just wondering if we should start compiling a main story arc page thing for the strong bad e-mails. Not all of the e-mails of course are a part of the main story arc for the strong bad e-mails. Though, it could take some time before such a thing is compiled. There are also other arcs as well (I believe), but I wouldn't know what to name them. {{User:Iyeru/sig}}
:...What main story arc? --[[User:Belthazar|Belthazar]] 20:54, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
::Let's see here... lappy getting stolen, paper dying-ish, virus email, tandy exploding, etc. {{User:Iyeru/sig}}
:::Those are all different stories and/or story arcs, not a main one.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 00:14, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
::::That and if anything, they're more of a running gag than a story arc. --[[User:Belthazar|Belthazar]] 01:45, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

== Finished ==

Hey guys, um, I think TBC are finished with sbemails. I have two reasons:
A. They said in the email thunder commentary that they were done
B. I just tried to email strong bad, and it said that the address was dead, like, they closed the e-mail account.
So should we put that on the page?
--[[User:Crudely Drawn Cupcake|Crudely Drawn Cupcake]] 01:13, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:I sent him something and it made it through. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 01:25, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
::Seconded, no weird errors. Are you sure you typed the email address correctly? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:28, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
I just clicked on the paper at the end, and also, what about the whole commentary thing?--[[User:Crudely Drawn Cupcake|Crudely Drawn Cupcake]] 02:19, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
:Then it means your browser isn't set up for the link from the paper to work, and i still hold the opinion that the commentary is them messing with us. But it's really pointless to discuss hre anyway, as it has no bearing on the page. If they make more, we'll report it, if they give a sure sign that they're over, we'll report that. Nothing to do in the meantime, and any speculation is pretty much pointless. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:22, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
::Is it speculation if TGITC say it? I mean TBC not TGITC. --{{User:Blow Up the Ocean/sig}} 01:17, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Perhaps? --{{User:Blow Up the Ocean/sig}}
If they actually officially ''announce'' that they're over with the Sbemails, then I think it'll certainly be notable to post. However, what they said on the commentary may ''or'' may not be true, considering that TBC are rather evil in that they like to mess with our heads all the time. As such, it isn't notable enough to be put on the page. If you guys want to continue speculating, you may want to take it over to the [http://forum.hrwiki.org/ forum], where your comments will be better received. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 05:42, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
:Do you post on the forum? --{{User:Blow Up the Ocean/sig}} 05:47, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
We're now coming up on 6 months since the last sbemail. My opinion is, if the 23rd of March comes and goes with no sbemail, the page should change to the past tense. --Cydonos 20:29, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
:No. It is not our decision to officially declare the end of Strong Bad Emails. When TBC themselves announce that they're not going to do anymore emails during a public appearance or interview (the [[email thunder]] commentary does NOT count), only ''then'' do we change the page to the past tense. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 20:46, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Why does the commentray not count? What law are you citing? SBEmails are over, except for specials and whatnot. I am calling it. Remember that you read it here. [[Special:Contributions/98.216.8.68|98.216.8.68]] 12:01, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:You're calling it? You're hardly the first. The reason we don't give the commentary much weight is that it's clear that they hadn't discussed it ahead of time, and they don't take their own commentaries very seriously. They've been known to say things simply for the shock or humor value. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:42, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Well, there's a "Best of sbemails" DVD now, and the "Best of X" is usually only after show or franchise ends, plus the "Sbemailiraization" seems to explain why they won't be doing sbemails anymore! -A logged-out Waferman [[Special:Contributions/71.190.163.41|71.190.163.41]] 19:39, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
:We know all of this, but until they announce that emails are over in a serious interview or on the website, we're not going to declare anything as being official. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:11, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

in an easteregg on [[email thunder]] that says that the poopsmith will break his silence every 200 sbemails. im not sure, but that could be an evidence of more sbemails! --[[User:Safariventureman|Safariventureman]] 19:51, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

== pop culture satire? ==

In the intro we list 3 emails that satirize pop culture, japanese cartoon, action figure, and isp. The anime satire's pretty solid, but I dunno how prominent action figures and bandwidth are in current pop culture. Should we consider replacing those examples with ones that satirize even more prominent aspects of pop culture? (I dunno what they'd be, too lazy to look right now.) -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.130|132.183.151.130]] 22:53, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

:Well, I certainly can't think of a reason not to do so. --[[Special:Contributions/69.19.14.19|69.19.14.19]] 15:04, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

== Typing ==
I might never understand how Strong Bad types so fast. Especially with boxing gloves on! [[User:Fingerface|Fingerface]] 21:04, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
::That's {{pl|l=http://www.forum.hrwiki.org forum talk}}, kid. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 21:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== Gaps ==

I know that there's gaps noted, and how sometimes its noted on the site, like with the [[LELLOWTAPE]] in [[redesign]]. But should it be noted about the beginning of hremail 3184 where strong bad finishes off homestar's hremail to start his new email, and saying that he's coming out of e-tirement? its me, crudely drawn cupcake, it can't sign in.--[[Special:Contributions/173.71.176.27|173.71.176.27]] 20:58, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== sbemail201 > hremail3184 ==

hremal3184 should be taken over 201, as sbemail201 isn't a file. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 14:21, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, but do we call flashback sbemailahundred or email thunder sbemailtwohundred, or do we call senior prom kotpoptoon? [[USER:SBE-MAIL CHECKER DAN]] was here at 10:23 AM
::the first two you mentioned are numbers, so those are fine. But I don't think the latter works. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 14:28, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Right, so hremail3184 shouldn't work, cuz it's not a sbemail number. If it were a Hremail page with the different eras (which there are only two definetely known) then i'd under stand. But in this case, we should keep it sbemail201 User:SBE CHECK DAN. 10:33
::::I think you misunderstood me. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 14:35, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== Hremails too! ==
I think Hremails count as sbemails too, so that means there have been 205 emails so far, not 202. So can we please put hremails on this page? [[User:MICGAGUH]]
:No, hremails are hremails, sbemails are sbemails, and neither are the same. ('cept for hremail3184, but...) USER: Sbemail Checker Dan
:well, technically, long pants and caper were sbemails AND hremails, according to email thunder...

== Premature Era? ==

Does anyone think it's premature to call this the "Corpy Era?" He's only used it for one email. We don't have, like, Pom Pilot and Tangerine Dreams eras. We don't yet know whether Stro Bro will continue to use this computer as his main email-checking hardware. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.140.54|132.183.140.54]] 19:12, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:I'm afraid this kind of question is for the forums. --[[Special:Contributions/76.224.216.122|76.224.216.122]] 19:15, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::No, this isn't a forum question. Why on Earth would you think so?! Anyway, it's an interesting question. [[the bird]] clearly took place between two Tandy emails, as did [[weird dream]]. But is this a Lappy-era email? An ''[insert computer here]''-era email? Hard to say at this point. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:21, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::If Strong Bad checks at least two more emails on the Corpy, I guess we'll call that an era, albeit a very small one. But what if he gets a new computer in the next email? I guess it would then be best to call [[imaginary]] a Lappy-era email, since the ''[insert computer here]''-era should probably start with the email in which ''[insert computer here]'' is introduced. [[User:Omnisweater|Omnisweater]] 19:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::::I think given the limited info available, what we have is fine for now. If the Corpy turns out to be a one-off interim computer, then I'd guess [[imaginary]] would belong to the Lappy era per Omnisweater's reasoning and the Corpy email menu would be treated like the [[Broken Tandy Menu|Broken Tandy and ]][[Broken Compy Menu]]s. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:23, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Why on earth would we put them in Lappy era? the Lappy's dead. Why not a "Mixed Computer Era" instead? [[User:FalconPuncher]] 6:55 PM
::::::I think it has been pretty well established now that the new computer is the [[Compy Catalog|Compy Compé]], and while the corpy email might not fit perfectly into either era, I'm of the opinion that a single sbemail can't really constitute an era as defined by the english language and therefore should be merged into the previous/next era anyway. --[[Special:Contributions/121.223.243.95|121.223.243.95]] 06:23, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I just changed it to "Transition" instead of "Era" so that we don't have to merge it to either one. I don't think it fits in either era actually. (I guess it's still speculative though) {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 06:29, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::what about tangerine dreams? we should make tandy and broken tandy seperate eras and the email weird dream a transition like imaginary.
:::::::::I think the reason why we're making a whole different section for the Corpy is because it's a whole different computer that had its own menu, not just a "broken" version of one computer. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 15:17, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::but, the broken tandy had it's own menu also, and strong bad checked weird dream on the cheat's computer for the same reason he checked imaginary on the corpy: because his home computer broke.
I'd like to renew this discussion, mainly because it looks odd to have a one-email-long section. To avoid repeating myself, I'll instead direct you my comments above beginning "If the Corpy turns out to be a one-off interim computer". (Which it did.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:10, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:What Dot com suggests makes sense. Originally, I didn't mind the section by itself since the Corpy had its own menu. However, looking back, a menu by itself shouldn't represent an "[[Wikipedia:Era|era]]", not even a mini-era. That said, I do think we do need some section clearly listing which emails were done on non-era machines. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:01, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::It's clearly after the lappy era though. that's why it doesn't fit in the lappy menu; it was never on that menu. and the email came out before strong bad even knew about the compé, so it was clearly before the compé era. do y'all have a problem with the word "transition"? it's used there to mean that it isn't an era at all. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 20:29, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, that's one of the questions we need to answer. What is an era? Why is it useful to split the emails into eras? (Note that it {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Strong_Bad_Email&oldid=289450 hasn't always been that way}}.) Depending on the definition, is it possible to have an email that belongs to no era? Do the aesthetics of not having an email by itself come into play at all? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:08, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::::I think to answer these questions we need to look at why they were created in the first place and its [[Talk:Strong_Bad_Email/Archive_3#Era_labels|accompanying discussion]]. They were first made for aesthetic and organizational reasons, letting us better manage the growing list of emails. The nomenclature seemed to be, at first, an afterthought, and only with time has it evolved into the serious business that it is. I think we should, in this case, prioritize organization and aesthetics, and if our lists don't overlap eras, then they should just be marked as such or noted somewhere. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:28, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think that we should have a section further down the page called "Transition eras". This is were we not only list the Corpy email, but the pom pilot and tangerine dreams email as well. Any one else share this thought?

== Flinger's Menu ==

Starting at this email ([[imaginary]]), the sbemails page doesn't say Denny's Menu --[[User:Smahksilae|Smahksilae]] 03:45, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
yes,and it has a subject bar that look's like lappy, i wonder why nobody noticed it before??? --[[User:Lamer99|Lamer99]] 14:32, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

== SBEmails? ==

Why does everyone think that Arcade Game, Puppet Time, Lookin' at a Thing in a Bag, Superbowl Dealie, and Rotten Eggs are sbemails? Half of them don't even mention the word "email" in them (NO, "SBEMAIL NEXT WEEK" OR "DUE TO THE SUPERBOWL, THE SBEMAIL WILL BE LATE THIS WEEK" DOES NOT COUNT). Just because the Compy appears doesn't mean it's an email. The NQSBEMails should only be ones that mention Strong Bad checking an email (Weclome Back, for example), ones that are a teaser for a milestone (Not The 100th Sbemail, SBEmail 150?!?), or ones that have an actual email and he answers it (SBCG4AP and Sick Day). -[[USER: SBE-MAIL CHECKER DAN]] 9:58 AM, July 23rd, 2009
:Yes, but those cartoons are different from regular "Shorts" in the way that they are made to show that there will be a new Sbemail soon. For example, you don't see a notice after most of the regular cartoons saying "Holiday Toon next week" or something close to that. Because they can't be grouped like the normal cartoons, they're grouped as NQSbemails. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 15:25, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
::Dan: That's not what our definition of Not Quite Strong Bad Emails is (emphasis on the "Not Quite"). The only thing that matters is that each of these shorts "were originally associated in one way or another with the Strong Bad Emails". That's it. Sure, some of them fill in gaps between emails while others were just notes stuck on the Compy's screen, but they all meet the minimum criterion. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:11, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Oh, well, could we at least put Homestar Ruiner and StrongBadia the Free on there? They opened up with an email, and all five episodes had minor, optional, emails. SBE CHEK DAN (don't feel like righting the whole thing)
::::Does [[Compy Catalog]] count as a Not Quite Strong Bad Email? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 06:33, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::Yes. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 06:58, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

== random.bat ==

Has anyone noticed that there is no random button?
:Yes. It's noted in the remarks section. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 19:34, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

== Loading... and Loading... and Loading... ==

Today, the sbemail menu keeps on loading and loading and loading. If you use the greasemonkey script to fast forward past the loading screen, you'll notice there are no emails on the random.bat thing. Also, doing this may cause Firefox to hang and give an error. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 13:43, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
:Works for me. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:36, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
::And me. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 22:40, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
:::That's because it was fixed when you replied. Sorry I didn't take a screenshot. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 13:14, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
::::All that happened was that rando.xml was unavailable for whatever reason. You can duplicate the effect by saving the menu file and opening it locally. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 13:31, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

== Corpy ==

Are we going to leave the corpy menu on there? It was only one email. {{User:The thing/sig}} 01:55, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
:Yes. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:05, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
::Oh, good, I-- did you say yes? Why, What's The Point we might as well put [[from work]] in there, and [[Pom Pilot|you forgot this]]. {{User:Meaty85203/sig}} 05:00, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
:::It did have its own unique menu with unique text, though. That text has to go somewhere! --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:02, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
::::I'm pretty sure we only do that for SBEmail MENUS [[user:sbe-mail checker dan]]
:::::It should really go, I mean its not the first time there was a special menu, what about the time they used a notepad for the menu, and when the compy blew up, its not really an era, just a extra.[guest]

== The Widescreen Dilemma ==

The lappy screen measures about 5:8 ratio. The Compe (using linux, no ALT Shortcuts) screen measures about 14:25 ratio. The compe is obviously widescreen, but, I believe the lappy is clearly not widescreen. Meaning that if the compe is actually used, it will be the first computer for strong bad that is widescreen. Should this be noted here or on the compe page? {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 00:59, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
:Probably the Compe (no numpad) page, but let's wait until (if?) he uses it if we do mention it. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 01:01, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

== compe menu (i forget the alt shortcut) ==

is there a way to remove that black border around the green?

== Compe styled era box? ==

I just [[User:ColdReactive/sandbox|made this]], how's it look? {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 18:17, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
:Great, you just might want to lessen the width of the border, and check it with the CSS of the Lappy style:
<pre>
#bodyContent blockquote.email, #article blockquote.email, #mw_contentholder blockquote.email {
border: 4px solid #cc9;
background: #000;
background-image: url(/skins/common/images/emailbackground.gif);
background-repeat: no-repeat;
background-position: bottom right;
color: #fff;
font-weight: bold;
padding: 1em;
font-family: courier new, monospace;
width: 500px;
}
</pre>

The Strong Bad head width could be changed a bit. Can't really take a look at the code right now, but make sure you're using <code><nowiki><blockquote></nowiki></code>. You may want to make another version that looks like the email client as well, since we will probably use that one and the one you've already made. Got to get back to the transcript. {{User:Soiled Bargains/sig}} 18:28, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
:I'm not using a block quote (I AM using a block quote around the autocolumn though as per normal), I'm using a custom DIV for the strong bad head because blockquotes won't fit nicely above/inside the grass area. I edited it more to tone down on that big black border. I added a more transparent PNG of SB's head, and I explained about the minimum size of the era box. I have now also added a transcript box for the compe. Please take a look at it as well. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 18:34, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
::The transcript version is nice! I would change the <code><nowiki><div></nowiki></code> that holds the message into a <code><nowiki></nowiki></code>, with a CSS <code>display:block;</code> property and a <code>padding:4px;</code> property, remove the nesting, and it's good to go. The <code>background:transparent;</code> properties should be rid of as they are of no use. The fact that we're using divs to substitute for the double-line bottom border doesn't feel right with me, but right now I can't think of anything better. Great job! {{User:Soiled Bargains/sig}} 02:12, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
:::I'm wondering why the grass doesn't scroll with the page, instead acting like a window to a grassy field that gets moved around it. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:15, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

:::: '''Soiled Bargains''' thanks for the span thing. '''Defender''' that's because the image has a background attachment of fixed, it will scroll showing various parts of the grass picture when scrolling. You guys can try tweaking these boxes to your liking and see what's best, I would much like to see the fruits of my imagination/labor used on sbemails. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 02:32, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

:::::ColdReactive, is there some way you could use the original grass desktop image instead of the one you have now? I'd get it for you if I had a better Flash decompiler. [[User:Omnisweater|Omnisweater]] 16:06, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

:::::<s>Any good flash decompilers for linux? Because that's what I use. Flash CS3 doesn't work in wine either, otherwise I'd try it. Because I [http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=681701 can't ask on the Ubuntu Forums].</s> Nevermind, I found one: http://www.swftools.org {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 16:22, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::I love it, but get a background that and can be repeated. That way, the size wouldn't matter.--{{User:Crudely Drawn Cupcake/sig}} 22:09, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Unfortunately, the background used on the Compe doesn't repeat, and we're not gonna pick some other background because that would defeat the purpose. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:11, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

::::::::Okay, I've softened the image up. Is it good enough to use? Or do you want to try to make it look better more defender? {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 22:43, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Wow, that looks good enough to eat! Or at least...; use as a background! Good jorb! {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:44, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Yeah, that looks awesome! The other Compé template (the one used when he reads emails) looks great too. [[User:Omnisweater|Omnisweater]] 23:23, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

: (time to go back down *cough*) Thanks you guys, especially for the help so far. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 23:24, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
:: The background looks good, but it isn't wide enough. It cuts off on my screen. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:03, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
:::Shouldn't this block quote have the same border as the Tandy, Compy, and Lappy block quotes? It also is a different size in length than the previous ones. The Corpy block quote should be changed to have the same border and size also. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 15:25, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
::: You guys can continue to experiment if you want. But be advise that making the background bigger may cause pixelation again, making you blur it more, making the grass less visible for lower resolutions. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 19:57, 12 August 2009 (UTC)

== Font ==

When you use the randomizer on the compé menu (right click and play on the flash file, wait for <s>an atrociously long time</s> a few seconds) the one it selects is in the lappy's font. where does this remark belong? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 03:20, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Costume Commercial

Origonalname — Thu, 13 Aug 2009 03:02:14 GMT

Origonalname: /* "all the time" */

==Mancuso==
This toon, coupled with [[Biz Cas Fri 3]] and [[Where's an Egg?]] mark the third mention of Mancuso. Running bit, now? [[Special:Contributions/75.46.27.212|75.46.27.212]] 00:39, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
:[[Mancuso|Done]]. {{User:Strongkinghomsarsmith/sig}} 00:59, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

== Images to upload to [[Other Halloween Costumes]] ==

*<strike>The drawing of the small child in his Twelve-Times-A-Day Man costume (maybe?)
*Strong Sad wearing the street blockade.
*Strong Sad wearing his egg-proof poncho.
*Bubs wearing his Bubs costume.
*Coach Z wearing his... er... "Coach Z" costume.</strike>
Feel free to <s>scratch out</s> when uploaded. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:21, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
:Done and done. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 19:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

== Wii ==

This toon gets REALLY butchered when viewed on the Wii. Things like text, costumes, and body parts disappear. --[[Special:Contributions/69.115.68.62|69.115.68.62]] 19:32, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
:Put it under "Gliches", subcategory "when viewed on Wii". {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 20:50, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
::No, don't. It's a common issue of the Wii browser, which has a lower version of Flash Player. We don't need to mention it every time. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:52, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
:::True. Maybe make an article listing the pages that have issues on the wii?--[[User:Flytape8490|Flytape8490]] 22:21, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
::::I don't think so. For all I know, the Wii's faulty Flash player may glitch at unique spots of cartoons every time... so... no. --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 22:55, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::It isn't faulty- its just an older version. And it isn't so much a glitch as it is backwards compatibility issues. It's almost like using firefox to view a page that was written utilizing IE's loose rendering engine. It just gets messed up, there isn't anything actually wrong. Plus, there isn't too much unique about these errors. They show up consistently each time. If each wii has the same browser with the same flash player, and watch the same file- the error is going to be reproduced, unless there is a hardware glitch also affecting the playback.--[[User:Flytape8490|Flytape8490]] 04:19, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, they've finally switched to using Flash 8 blur effects on the backgrounds instead of using a Photoshopped JPEG (as can be evidenced by zooming in on the SWF, or viewing with the Homestar Fullscreen Firefox extension). I guess nobody told them their favorite console doesn't support Flash 8.... for some dumb reason. [[User:Octan|Octan]] 18:29, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

==Gender or Identity?==
Should we consider Coach Z wearing the Marzipan costume an incidence of [[Gender Confusion]], [[Identity Confusion]], or, as I think we should, both? {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 20:49, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
:I mean, the costume '''''is''''' based on Marzipan, but it is debatable whether or not the costume looks anything like Marzipan. Also, since Coach Z said it was a "Coach Z costume", he clearly didn't know it was based on Marzipan, making it more of a gender confusion, rather than an idenity act. There's my arguments. {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 20:57, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
::It is [[cross-dressing]], which is ALWAYS separate from [[gender confusion]]. It's [[identity confusion]] because he confused marzipan's costume for his own. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:12, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Or he confused himself for marzipan - {{User:Wecannotbesaved/sig}} 22:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
::::That too. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:31, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::But it is also a gender confusion, since he's wearing a bikini and still thinks it's based on '''him'''. That costume, as I've said before, bears little to no resemblence to the real Marzipan. Yes, it is identity confusion, but, by definition, it is also a gender confusion. It's just like when a male character thinks he's pregnant, which is both a [[pregnant|pregnacy gag]] and a [[gender confusion]]. {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 00:25, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::And, no [[cross-dressing]] is usually when a character dresses up as the opposite gender, not actually thinks that they '''are''' that character, so cross-dressing and gender confusion '''''can''''' combine. {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 00:31, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::I hear your argument, i still think it doesn't apply. He's cross dressing and confusing himself for marzipan, not confusing himself for a girl in general. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:00, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::Marzipan=girl. The only girl, too. I cant see why it can't be both. {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 22:04, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::Marzipan=SPECIFIC girl. girl=female. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:16, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::He still would have to be gender confused in order to become identity confused. {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 01:16, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::::::Umm... how could he be identity confused. Doesn't he say "this ''Coach Z'' costume is spot on"? So that means that he knows that he is Coach Z?--[[User:Nogain|Nogain]] 01:44, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::::Wait... doesn't this mean that because it's 2-vs.-1 that majority rules gender confusion? {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 00:56, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
no. we rule by consensus, not vote. and 3 opinions is hardly consensus. As for nogain's question, he confuses the identity of the costume's origin for his own. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:00, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:This is going in circles. It is option d) all of the above. It's a rare instance of a gender-identity confusion (a male character confusing himself for Marzipan) '''''and''''' cross-dressing (meaning, literally, that a male character dressed up as Marzipan and was sure he was dressing as himself, which is exactly what happened). Don't be scared of firsts. {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 01:10, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::i understand that. the debate is ONLY on the gender thing. instead of the two of us posting again and again, why don't we wait for more opinions? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:15, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Found it! Proof of Coach Z cross-dressing and gender confusing at the same time: [[Date Nite]]. It's in both. {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 01:21, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
::::It's primarily cross-dressing and identity confusion. In a sense, it is gender confusion, but I find that sense trivial and essentially a by-product of his identity confusion. I don't think it need be noted as gender confusion. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 01:53, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

== Marzipan Costume ==

Okay, does marzipan even have legs? How can she wear that costume? {{User:The thing/sig}} 21:35, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
:No one said she was going to wear it. It's a parody of those "sexy" costumes they put out for women, which typically A) deviate significantly from the source, and 2) expose a lot of flesh. It's a costume ''of'' Marzipan, not ''for'' her. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:38, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
::Oooohhhh... ok. {{User:The thing/sig}} 21:41, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

== Coach Z's more than 2 problems ==
Should this be added to the "More than 2 problems" list sence he..well, you know. [[Special:Contributions/71.173.219.117|71.173.219.117]] 01:54, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:No. It's part of larger problems already listed there. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:03, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

== Severed Head ==
I'd like to know any arguments against adding this cartoon to the list of apperances of [[Strong Sad's Severed Head]]. You see Strong Sad's head, talking to the announcer guy, so I'd assume it's a part of the running joke. But someone removed so, I'd just like to ask why.--[[Special:Contributions/70.190.0.24|70.190.0.24]] 15:02, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
:A severed head is a head that was physically removed from the body. Digitally removing the body from a person for a commercial is not the same. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:12, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
::Then why are [[Main Page 23]] and [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]] instances? {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 01:26, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I actually agree. This should be an instance. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:29, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
::::So... do we have enough for a concensus? {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 01:28, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

== Real-World References ==

How come there is no section for real world references. 'Tis chokked full of them. [[User:20X6 GEM|20X6 GEM]] 00:06, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
: Such as? I don't see any offhand. Anyway, if you do, you can add them yourself, you know. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:08, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
::Well, like the "Costume-ish" costumes. They really do have those. Though I'm not quite sure who "they" are. [[User:Pointy King|Pointy King]] 00:02, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
:::If there aren't any RWRs, there are some deserving Explanations. Like the first Safe-T Lose-R thingy reminds me of one of those safety tip things... you know, to wear light colored clothing while trick-or-treating at night. {{User:Neox/sig}} 21:54, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

== Sweatpants ==

There have been numerous references to sweat pants. Do you think it's enough to warrant its own article? [[Special:Contributions/71.215.134.89|71.215.134.89]] 23:34, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
:I do. Also, what other times did they appear besides [[the chair]]? [[User:Pointy King|Pointy King]] 00:02, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
::There's a [[Sketchbook 2006|sketch from December of 2006]], but that directly relates to [[the chair]] anyway. I dunno. Sweatpants seem fairly significant for both [[the chair]] and [[Costume Commercial]]. I'd have to agree with Pointy King. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 02:48, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

== Plastic costumes ==

Are those plastic-apron costumes still being produced, or is that just 70's retro? [[Special:Contributions/67.55.3.28|67.55.3.28]] 03:14, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

==Cheat mask==

The Cheat mask looks familiar. [[User:StarFox|StarFox]] 21:24, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
:Are you reffering to [[licensed]]? Those masks are of the same quality... {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 01:20, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

== "all the time" ==

"just like Bubs all the time wears!"- this usage of all the time is like all the time used in the Runnerverse . For example, Coach Z's rap song at the end of [[New Boots]], in which he says "ladies all the time be askin' me...". Think maybe article for this? --Uhh...Lifty...Fernandez 00:41, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

== """"""" ==
Can someone please explain to me how the """""" on the sign even remotely makes sense? [[User:Origonalname|Origonalname]] 03:02, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Career Day

Origonalname — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:56:47 GMT

Origonalname: /* Toothpick through the gerbil ball */

== Easter Eggs ==

Shouldn't someone include the Easter Eggs? I myself have not found any of them, but there may still be some. [[User:Chapien|chapien (approved by Homsar!)]] 18:42, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
:That's why it's not on the page. No one has found any yet, and there probably isn't any in the cartoon as of now (at least). {{User:DevonM/sig}} 18:50, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== Big Toon ==

Shouldn't it be noted that this is the first big toon since 2007? I think that's kind of improtant...
:I suppose it's a bit notable, but I'm not sure it merits a mention on the page. The gap between [[A Dumpy Tale]] and [[Weclome Back]] was similar (11 months), but is not mentioned anywhere on the pages. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 19:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

this is not a big toon
they said is wasnt one
: On the main page, before its release, sure. But the Toons menu lists it among the big toons (as in, not Shorts). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== Zoom zoom ==

Am I the only one that reminded of Rhino's hamsterball from the movie ''Bolt'' when I see Cheat in his space suit? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 01:15, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
: I was reminded of ''a'' hamster ball. But no specific ones. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:16, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::I was reminded of the gerbil ball for the gerbil my brother used to have... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:19, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:::I was reminded of the cow ball from The Far Side and the ball Bart was in in The Simpsons. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:41, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::::I have that panel on my binder. It's one good Far Side. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 03:44, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think it is supposed to be a hamster ball. But, I agree with Jay. It was not any specific ones.[[User:Origonalname]]

== Cape Tedaverill? ==

There have been a couple of (admittedly poorly worded) attempts to put on the page the fact that the name Ted Averill is a play on Canaveral. I have to say I'm inclined to agree, considering the space launch connection and all. Does anyone else feel similarly? (Though I note that this is not the only place where the name appears, so I don't know if this is the best place to note it). -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.26|132.183.151.26]] 01:51, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:[[space program|The first time he appears]], it's said in such a way that no one would make the connection, so i'm inclined to say no. Also, it's a poor rhyme. If that was their intention, they could do so much better. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:53, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:I also happen to think it's a reference. The sound-alike quality is definitely more pronounced in Career Day, but I think it's clear enough in Space Program as well. I know there's no way to prove it, but I remember making that connection the first time I saw Space Program; I just never got around to checking its wiki entry.[[User:Some kind of scientist|Some kind of scientist]] 18:33, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

== McWhat Nebula? ==
I'm hearing McCow-Pie Nebula rather than McAlpine Nebula. No? It's funnier.
{{User:Funhaver}}
:I heard it as "cow pie" the first time, but after reading the transcript and listening closely, i must conclude that, sad though it may be, it's "MacAlpine." {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:45, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:I think the "Mc" and the "Al" sounds are blending together to get the "McCow" sound. It sounded somewhat like that when I watched it, too. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 03:46, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::I think it was supposed to sound like cow pie. It was really said as McAlpine, but meant to sound like cow pie. {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:28, 23 May 2009 (UTC)}}

== Buck the System ==
It's probably just because I am a huge SOAD fan, but when Strong bad said "Bucking the System" I instantly thought of the System of a Down song "F*ck the System." Anyone else think this? Just wondering if it should be on the real world references page.--[[User:Shaokahn280z|Shaokahn280z]] 19:09, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
[http://www.google.com/search?q=bucking+the+system google results] show that it's a pretty common phrase. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:It could be a reference to the song, or it could just be a reference the saying. [[User:Origonalname]]

== Space: Defined by Scientists as the... ==

When Strong Bad says this while in the shows the space capsule, I believe the way he says this is a refrence to "Space: The Final Frontier", from Star Trek. Should someone add this to the page as a refrence?
:I thought of it as well, but i figured it might be too vague. I'm on the fence. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::I don't think this was a reference. I think it was just a joke, and had nothing to do with Star Trek {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:30, 23 May 2009 (UTC)}}

== Blowin' in the Wind ==

A fact that's been removed from the page several times now involves the fan, which is being used similarly to in [[magic trick]]. Looks like a valid fact to me — it's basically the same joke, using the fan to make clothes blow around dramatically — but what do you say? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:39, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:Since I was the one who added the fact, I know I don't have to say I agree, but I'm gonna say it just to acknowledge your post with the other users that will be looking at the recent changes over the next hour or so :) {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 22:59, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

== whating the system? ==

Is it me, or is "Bucking the System" a reference to a cuss word?--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:53, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:It's you. As noted above in a different section, "buck the system" is a [http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/buck+the+system common phrase] with [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/buck no etymological relation] to the rhyming cuss word. -[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 20:20, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::I instantly though that as well when I first saw this. "Buck" was definatly used in a similar sence as f*. And this isn't the first time I've seen them use "Buck" instead of f*. {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:25, 23 May 2009 (UTC)}}

== Miles and miles of the spaceman styles... ==

The chin-curlies on Space Captainface's..er...face struck me as being similar to that of [http://blog.thedebianuser.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/buzz.jpg Buzz Lightyear]. Most likely a case of TTATOT, but just thought I'd throw it out there.

:I'd say either [[HrWiki:Glossary#T|TTATOT]], or just a buttchin to make him look more different.--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 23:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

:: I would agree with that; Captain Quark from the Ratchet and Clank games has the same sort of buttchin.
:::I agree. I noticed the butt chin the second I saw it. {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:32, 23 May 2009 (UTC)}}

== Toothpick through the gerbil ball ==

I noticed while watching for the 18th time today that Strap's toothpick goes through his gerbil ball... thing while in space. Why isn't this a Goof? -Corruption (logged in = 0)
:The toothpick is too far out of the gerbil ball (in fact, it looks like it's ''completely'' outside the ball) for it not to have been an intentional style choice, which would make it not a goof. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:02, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
::I don't belive it was an exact goof, but I definitely think it wasn't on purpose. If that makes any sense. {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:34, 23 May 2009 (UTC)}}

== Homsar laughing ==

Let me get this straight - there's an entire ARTICLE dedicated to instances of Strong Bad smiling (a fairly common occurrence), a mention of the Poopsmith singing on-screen, and heck - even a mention of Homestar making a (borderline) grammatical error, but there's no mentioning the very first time Homsar unambiguously laughs at something?

What the heck are these sections FOR if not for pointing out something noteworthy and out of the ordinary? Homsar is a character that's known for being seemingly oblivious to what's going on around him (albeit in a ambivalent sort of way), so this is a COMPLETE departure for him as a character. To suggest anything else is nothing short of absurd. The mention of this unprecedented event should stay, or at the very LEAST be put up for a vote. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 22:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:I think it's notable only if we can clearly hear him. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 23:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::I can hear him, and, to me, it sounds kind of like a more-wavering version of his "AaAaaAAaa!" — {{User:Fotoshop/sig}} 23:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::There is, however, a [[Talk:isp#There's a first time for everything|precedent for removing facts like this]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 23:09, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::::That fact says there were 2 times before when Bubs laughed a little. This fact says this is the 1st time Homsar laughed at all. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 23:14, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::From the arguments: <blockquote>"First time" facts should be reserved for truly momentous firsts. Laughing out loud is not such a first, especially when we can infer that he has laughed out loud before, albeit off camera.</blockquote> I'm taking the bit from before the "especially" as the precedent here. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 23:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::Laughter in and of itself is unremarkable (after all, the littlest, tiniest babies can laugh), so there needs to be something special about Homsar if his laughter is to be included in the article. 0rion claims that this is a complete departure of Homsar's character, which would indeed be notable if it were true. But is it?
::::::    Let's examine the underlying point. I would have no problem with the following fact: "This is the first time Homsar has had an emotional reaction in response to something another character has said," except for one thing—it's completely false. Homsar was "crying on the inside" when he was mistakenly disqualified from the Strong Sad lookalike contest in [[impression]]. Furthermore, looking at his various appearances, he is ''not'' always oblivious to what's going on (some would actually claim he [[Analysis of Homsar's speech patterns|never is]]), it's not a departure for his character (or if it is, it's not the first time such a departure occurs), and even though this is the first time we specifically see him laughing, the underlying emotional reaction is not unprecedented. Thus, this isn't a notable first. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:10, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Wow. I can't belive you people are becoming so worked up about this. Yes, this is the first time Homsar laughs on screen but seriously. this is a wiki, not a baby book. characters have laughed befor, and had no one make a note of it. I think a first laugh by a character is no where near as important as you all are making it seem. [[User:Origonalname]]

== Mazipan's Teeth'd? ==

I noticed that Marzipan's teeth show more often in this toon, as well as in [[Kick-A-Ball]]. Does this, by any chance, count as further Marzipan evolution? {{User:Religious Corn/sig}} 20:24, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

:I don't know, maybe. [[User:MICGAGUH]]
::I saw some noticeable difference in her eyes. I think Marzipan's eyes have evolved a little bit, but not her teeth. [[User:Origonalname]]

== Well shut his mouth. ==

Strong Bad says in [[Homestar Runner Presents: Presents]] "Well shut my mouth" as a phrase that seems to mean "That's something I never expected to see happen". This combined with the fact that he has never before seen having an truely shut mouth makes me wonder: Should it be noted that this is the first time Strong Bad shuts his mouth, ableit only in cartoon form? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 23:01, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

== Mixed Art Styles ==

Should it be remarked that Ted Avarill was drawn by hand and then his mouth was added later using vector art? If you zoom in, you can clearly see that everything besides his mouth is pixelated. --[[Special:Contributions/141.224.237.41|141.224.237.41]] 23:05, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== Italian Satellite (of love) ==

Is it just me or does the Italin Spy Satellite look like a winebottle in a basket?
:Well, those Italians ''do'' enjoy their wine... but no, I think it more resembles just a stereotypical satellite shape. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 06:14, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
:: http://www.anl.gov/Science_and_Technology/History/Anniversary_Frontiers/12photo.html

== Main page message ==

The font used for "cosmic rays!!" has always looked like the font for main page messages. --{{User:Fangoriously/SIGGY HERE!}} 00:52, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

== AAAAAAAHHHH! MY EYES!!!! ==

I am going to put a warning next to that "flesh eating virus" link. That was so nasty my brain threw up. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 11:08, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
:what? {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:46, 23 May 2009}}

Talk:Career Day

Origonalname — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:55:18 GMT

Origonalname: /* Homsar laughing */

== Easter Eggs ==

Shouldn't someone include the Easter Eggs? I myself have not found any of them, but there may still be some. [[User:Chapien|chapien (approved by Homsar!)]] 18:42, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
:That's why it's not on the page. No one has found any yet, and there probably isn't any in the cartoon as of now (at least). {{User:DevonM/sig}} 18:50, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== Big Toon ==

Shouldn't it be noted that this is the first big toon since 2007? I think that's kind of improtant...
:I suppose it's a bit notable, but I'm not sure it merits a mention on the page. The gap between [[A Dumpy Tale]] and [[Weclome Back]] was similar (11 months), but is not mentioned anywhere on the pages. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 19:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

this is not a big toon
they said is wasnt one
: On the main page, before its release, sure. But the Toons menu lists it among the big toons (as in, not Shorts). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== Zoom zoom ==

Am I the only one that reminded of Rhino's hamsterball from the movie ''Bolt'' when I see Cheat in his space suit? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 01:15, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
: I was reminded of ''a'' hamster ball. But no specific ones. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:16, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::I was reminded of the gerbil ball for the gerbil my brother used to have... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:19, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:::I was reminded of the cow ball from The Far Side and the ball Bart was in in The Simpsons. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:41, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::::I have that panel on my binder. It's one good Far Side. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 03:44, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think it is supposed to be a hamster ball. But, I agree with Jay. It was not any specific ones.[[User:Origonalname]]

== Cape Tedaverill? ==

There have been a couple of (admittedly poorly worded) attempts to put on the page the fact that the name Ted Averill is a play on Canaveral. I have to say I'm inclined to agree, considering the space launch connection and all. Does anyone else feel similarly? (Though I note that this is not the only place where the name appears, so I don't know if this is the best place to note it). -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.26|132.183.151.26]] 01:51, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:[[space program|The first time he appears]], it's said in such a way that no one would make the connection, so i'm inclined to say no. Also, it's a poor rhyme. If that was their intention, they could do so much better. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:53, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:I also happen to think it's a reference. The sound-alike quality is definitely more pronounced in Career Day, but I think it's clear enough in Space Program as well. I know there's no way to prove it, but I remember making that connection the first time I saw Space Program; I just never got around to checking its wiki entry.[[User:Some kind of scientist|Some kind of scientist]] 18:33, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

== McWhat Nebula? ==
I'm hearing McCow-Pie Nebula rather than McAlpine Nebula. No? It's funnier.
{{User:Funhaver}}
:I heard it as "cow pie" the first time, but after reading the transcript and listening closely, i must conclude that, sad though it may be, it's "MacAlpine." {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:45, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:I think the "Mc" and the "Al" sounds are blending together to get the "McCow" sound. It sounded somewhat like that when I watched it, too. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 03:46, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::I think it was supposed to sound like cow pie. It was really said as McAlpine, but meant to sound like cow pie. {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:28, 23 May 2009 (UTC)}}

== Buck the System ==
It's probably just because I am a huge SOAD fan, but when Strong bad said "Bucking the System" I instantly thought of the System of a Down song "F*ck the System." Anyone else think this? Just wondering if it should be on the real world references page.--[[User:Shaokahn280z|Shaokahn280z]] 19:09, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
[http://www.google.com/search?q=bucking+the+system google results] show that it's a pretty common phrase. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:It could be a reference to the song, or it could just be a reference the saying. [[User:Origonalname]]

== Space: Defined by Scientists as the... ==

When Strong Bad says this while in the shows the space capsule, I believe the way he says this is a refrence to "Space: The Final Frontier", from Star Trek. Should someone add this to the page as a refrence?
:I thought of it as well, but i figured it might be too vague. I'm on the fence. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::I don't think this was a reference. I think it was just a joke, and had nothing to do with Star Trek {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:30, 23 May 2009 (UTC)}}

== Blowin' in the Wind ==

A fact that's been removed from the page several times now involves the fan, which is being used similarly to in [[magic trick]]. Looks like a valid fact to me — it's basically the same joke, using the fan to make clothes blow around dramatically — but what do you say? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:39, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:Since I was the one who added the fact, I know I don't have to say I agree, but I'm gonna say it just to acknowledge your post with the other users that will be looking at the recent changes over the next hour or so :) {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 22:59, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

== whating the system? ==

Is it me, or is "Bucking the System" a reference to a cuss word?--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:53, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:It's you. As noted above in a different section, "buck the system" is a [http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/buck+the+system common phrase] with [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/buck no etymological relation] to the rhyming cuss word. -[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 20:20, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::I instantly though that as well when I first saw this. "Buck" was definatly used in a similar sence as f*. And this isn't the first time I've seen them use "Buck" instead of f*. {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:25, 23 May 2009 (UTC)}}

== Miles and miles of the spaceman styles... ==

The chin-curlies on Space Captainface's..er...face struck me as being similar to that of [http://blog.thedebianuser.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/buzz.jpg Buzz Lightyear]. Most likely a case of TTATOT, but just thought I'd throw it out there.

:I'd say either [[HrWiki:Glossary#T|TTATOT]], or just a buttchin to make him look more different.--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 23:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

:: I would agree with that; Captain Quark from the Ratchet and Clank games has the same sort of buttchin.
:::I agree. I noticed the butt chin the second I saw it. {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:32, 23 May 2009 (UTC)}}

== Toothpick through the gerbil ball ==

I noticed while watching for the 18th time today that Strap's toothpick goes through his gerbil ball... thing while in space. Why isn't this a Goof? -Corruption (logged in = 0)
:The toothpick is too far out of the gerbil ball (in fact, it looks like it's ''completely'' outside the ball) for it not to have been an intentional style choice, which would make it not a goof. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:02, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
::I don't belive it was an exact goof, but I definitely thing it wasn't on purpose. If that makes any sense. {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:34, 23 May 2009 (UTC)}}

== Homsar laughing ==

Let me get this straight - there's an entire ARTICLE dedicated to instances of Strong Bad smiling (a fairly common occurrence), a mention of the Poopsmith singing on-screen, and heck - even a mention of Homestar making a (borderline) grammatical error, but there's no mentioning the very first time Homsar unambiguously laughs at something?

What the heck are these sections FOR if not for pointing out something noteworthy and out of the ordinary? Homsar is a character that's known for being seemingly oblivious to what's going on around him (albeit in a ambivalent sort of way), so this is a COMPLETE departure for him as a character. To suggest anything else is nothing short of absurd. The mention of this unprecedented event should stay, or at the very LEAST be put up for a vote. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 22:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:I think it's notable only if we can clearly hear him. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 23:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::I can hear him, and, to me, it sounds kind of like a more-wavering version of his "AaAaaAAaa!" — {{User:Fotoshop/sig}} 23:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::There is, however, a [[Talk:isp#There's a first time for everything|precedent for removing facts like this]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 23:09, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::::That fact says there were 2 times before when Bubs laughed a little. This fact says this is the 1st time Homsar laughed at all. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 23:14, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::From the arguments: <blockquote>"First time" facts should be reserved for truly momentous firsts. Laughing out loud is not such a first, especially when we can infer that he has laughed out loud before, albeit off camera.</blockquote> I'm taking the bit from before the "especially" as the precedent here. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 23:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::Laughter in and of itself is unremarkable (after all, the littlest, tiniest babies can laugh), so there needs to be something special about Homsar if his laughter is to be included in the article. 0rion claims that this is a complete departure of Homsar's character, which would indeed be notable if it were true. But is it?
::::::    Let's examine the underlying point. I would have no problem with the following fact: "This is the first time Homsar has had an emotional reaction in response to something another character has said," except for one thing—it's completely false. Homsar was "crying on the inside" when he was mistakenly disqualified from the Strong Sad lookalike contest in [[impression]]. Furthermore, looking at his various appearances, he is ''not'' always oblivious to what's going on (some would actually claim he [[Analysis of Homsar's speech patterns|never is]]), it's not a departure for his character (or if it is, it's not the first time such a departure occurs), and even though this is the first time we specifically see him laughing, the underlying emotional reaction is not unprecedented. Thus, this isn't a notable first. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:10, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Wow. I can't belive you people are becoming so worked up about this. Yes, this is the first time Homsar laughs on screen but seriously. this is a wiki, not a baby book. characters have laughed befor, and had no one make a note of it. I think a first laugh by a character is no where near as important as you all are making it seem. [[User:Origonalname]]

== Mazipan's Teeth'd? ==

I noticed that Marzipan's teeth show more often in this toon, as well as in [[Kick-A-Ball]]. Does this, by any chance, count as further Marzipan evolution? {{User:Religious Corn/sig}} 20:24, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

:I don't know, maybe. [[User:MICGAGUH]]
::I saw some noticeable difference in her eyes. I think Marzipan's eyes have evolved a little bit, but not her teeth. [[User:Origonalname]]

== Well shut his mouth. ==

Strong Bad says in [[Homestar Runner Presents: Presents]] "Well shut my mouth" as a phrase that seems to mean "That's something I never expected to see happen". This combined with the fact that he has never before seen having an truely shut mouth makes me wonder: Should it be noted that this is the first time Strong Bad shuts his mouth, ableit only in cartoon form? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 23:01, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

== Mixed Art Styles ==

Should it be remarked that Ted Avarill was drawn by hand and then his mouth was added later using vector art? If you zoom in, you can clearly see that everything besides his mouth is pixelated. --[[Special:Contributions/141.224.237.41|141.224.237.41]] 23:05, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== Italian Satellite (of love) ==

Is it just me or does the Italin Spy Satellite look like a winebottle in a basket?
:Well, those Italians ''do'' enjoy their wine... but no, I think it more resembles just a stereotypical satellite shape. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 06:14, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
:: http://www.anl.gov/Science_and_Technology/History/Anniversary_Frontiers/12photo.html

== Main page message ==

The font used for "cosmic rays!!" has always looked like the font for main page messages. --{{User:Fangoriously/SIGGY HERE!}} 00:52, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

== AAAAAAAHHHH! MY EYES!!!! ==

I am going to put a warning next to that "flesh eating virus" link. That was so nasty my brain threw up. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 11:08, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
:what? {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:46, 23 May 2009}}

Talk:Career Day

Origonalname — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:54:48 GMT

Origonalname: /* Mazipan's Teeth'd? */

== Easter Eggs ==

Shouldn't someone include the Easter Eggs? I myself have not found any of them, but there may still be some. [[User:Chapien|chapien (approved by Homsar!)]] 18:42, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
:That's why it's not on the page. No one has found any yet, and there probably isn't any in the cartoon as of now (at least). {{User:DevonM/sig}} 18:50, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== Big Toon ==

Shouldn't it be noted that this is the first big toon since 2007? I think that's kind of improtant...
:I suppose it's a bit notable, but I'm not sure it merits a mention on the page. The gap between [[A Dumpy Tale]] and [[Weclome Back]] was similar (11 months), but is not mentioned anywhere on the pages. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 19:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

this is not a big toon
they said is wasnt one
: On the main page, before its release, sure. But the Toons menu lists it among the big toons (as in, not Shorts). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== Zoom zoom ==

Am I the only one that reminded of Rhino's hamsterball from the movie ''Bolt'' when I see Cheat in his space suit? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 01:15, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
: I was reminded of ''a'' hamster ball. But no specific ones. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:16, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::I was reminded of the gerbil ball for the gerbil my brother used to have... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:19, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:::I was reminded of the cow ball from The Far Side and the ball Bart was in in The Simpsons. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:41, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::::I have that panel on my binder. It's one good Far Side. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 03:44, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think it is supposed to be a hamster ball. But, I agree with Jay. It was not any specific ones.[[User:Origonalname]]

== Cape Tedaverill? ==

There have been a couple of (admittedly poorly worded) attempts to put on the page the fact that the name Ted Averill is a play on Canaveral. I have to say I'm inclined to agree, considering the space launch connection and all. Does anyone else feel similarly? (Though I note that this is not the only place where the name appears, so I don't know if this is the best place to note it). -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.26|132.183.151.26]] 01:51, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:[[space program|The first time he appears]], it's said in such a way that no one would make the connection, so i'm inclined to say no. Also, it's a poor rhyme. If that was their intention, they could do so much better. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:53, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:I also happen to think it's a reference. The sound-alike quality is definitely more pronounced in Career Day, but I think it's clear enough in Space Program as well. I know there's no way to prove it, but I remember making that connection the first time I saw Space Program; I just never got around to checking its wiki entry.[[User:Some kind of scientist|Some kind of scientist]] 18:33, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

== McWhat Nebula? ==
I'm hearing McCow-Pie Nebula rather than McAlpine Nebula. No? It's funnier.
{{User:Funhaver}}
:I heard it as "cow pie" the first time, but after reading the transcript and listening closely, i must conclude that, sad though it may be, it's "MacAlpine." {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:45, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:I think the "Mc" and the "Al" sounds are blending together to get the "McCow" sound. It sounded somewhat like that when I watched it, too. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 03:46, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::I think it was supposed to sound like cow pie. It was really said as McAlpine, but meant to sound like cow pie. {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:28, 23 May 2009 (UTC)}}

== Buck the System ==
It's probably just because I am a huge SOAD fan, but when Strong bad said "Bucking the System" I instantly thought of the System of a Down song "F*ck the System." Anyone else think this? Just wondering if it should be on the real world references page.--[[User:Shaokahn280z|Shaokahn280z]] 19:09, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
[http://www.google.com/search?q=bucking+the+system google results] show that it's a pretty common phrase. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:It could be a reference to the song, or it could just be a reference the saying. [[User:Origonalname]]

== Space: Defined by Scientists as the... ==

When Strong Bad says this while in the shows the space capsule, I believe the way he says this is a refrence to "Space: The Final Frontier", from Star Trek. Should someone add this to the page as a refrence?
:I thought of it as well, but i figured it might be too vague. I'm on the fence. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::I don't think this was a reference. I think it was just a joke, and had nothing to do with Star Trek {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:30, 23 May 2009 (UTC)}}

== Blowin' in the Wind ==

A fact that's been removed from the page several times now involves the fan, which is being used similarly to in [[magic trick]]. Looks like a valid fact to me — it's basically the same joke, using the fan to make clothes blow around dramatically — but what do you say? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:39, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:Since I was the one who added the fact, I know I don't have to say I agree, but I'm gonna say it just to acknowledge your post with the other users that will be looking at the recent changes over the next hour or so :) {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 22:59, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

== whating the system? ==

Is it me, or is "Bucking the System" a reference to a cuss word?--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:53, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:It's you. As noted above in a different section, "buck the system" is a [http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/buck+the+system common phrase] with [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/buck no etymological relation] to the rhyming cuss word. -[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 20:20, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::I instantly though that as well when I first saw this. "Buck" was definatly used in a similar sence as f*. And this isn't the first time I've seen them use "Buck" instead of f*. {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:25, 23 May 2009 (UTC)}}

== Miles and miles of the spaceman styles... ==

The chin-curlies on Space Captainface's..er...face struck me as being similar to that of [http://blog.thedebianuser.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/buzz.jpg Buzz Lightyear]. Most likely a case of TTATOT, but just thought I'd throw it out there.

:I'd say either [[HrWiki:Glossary#T|TTATOT]], or just a buttchin to make him look more different.--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 23:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

:: I would agree with that; Captain Quark from the Ratchet and Clank games has the same sort of buttchin.
:::I agree. I noticed the butt chin the second I saw it. {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:32, 23 May 2009 (UTC)}}

== Toothpick through the gerbil ball ==

I noticed while watching for the 18th time today that Strap's toothpick goes through his gerbil ball... thing while in space. Why isn't this a Goof? -Corruption (logged in = 0)
:The toothpick is too far out of the gerbil ball (in fact, it looks like it's ''completely'' outside the ball) for it not to have been an intentional style choice, which would make it not a goof. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:02, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
::I don't belive it was an exact goof, but I definitely thing it wasn't on purpose. If that makes any sense. {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:34, 23 May 2009 (UTC)}}

== Homsar laughing ==

Let me get this straight - there's an entire ARTICLE dedicated to instances of Strong Bad smiling (a fairly common occurrence), a mention of the Poopsmith singing on-screen, and heck - even a mention of Homestar making a (borderline) grammatical error, but there's no mentioning the very first time Homsar unambiguously laughs at something?

What the heck are these sections FOR if not for pointing out something noteworthy and out of the ordinary? Homsar is a character that's known for being seemingly oblivious to what's going on around him (albeit in a ambivalent sort of way), so this is a COMPLETE departure for him as a character. To suggest anything else is nothing short of absurd. The mention of this unprecedented event should stay, or at the very LEAST be put up for a vote. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 22:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:I think it's notable only if we can clearly hear him. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 23:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::I can hear him, and, to me, it sounds kind of like a more-wavering version of his "AaAaaAAaa!" — {{User:Fotoshop/sig}} 23:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::There is, however, a [[Talk:isp#There's a first time for everything|precedent for removing facts like this]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 23:09, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::::That fact says there were 2 times before when Bubs laughed a little. This fact says this is the 1st time Homsar laughed at all. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 23:14, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::From the arguments: <blockquote>"First time" facts should be reserved for truly momentous firsts. Laughing out loud is not such a first, especially when we can infer that he has laughed out loud before, albeit off camera.</blockquote> I'm taking the bit from before the "especially" as the precedent here. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 23:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::Laughter in and of itself is unremarkable (after all, the littlest, tiniest babies can laugh), so there needs to be something special about Homsar if his laughter is to be included in the article. 0rion claims that this is a complete departure of Homsar's character, which would indeed be notable if it were true. But is it?
::::::    Let's examine the underlying point. I would have no problem with the following fact: "This is the first time Homsar has had an emotional reaction in response to something another character has said," except for one thing—it's completely false. Homsar was "crying on the inside" when he was mistakenly disqualified from the Strong Sad lookalike contest in [[impression]]. Furthermore, looking at his various appearances, he is ''not'' always oblivious to what's going on (some would actually claim he [[Analysis of Homsar's speech patterns|never is]]), it's not a departure for his character (or if it is, it's not the first time such a departure occurs), and even though this is the first time we specifically see him laughing, the underlying emotional reaction is not unprecedented. Thus, this isn't a notable first. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:10, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Wow. I can't belive you people are becoming so worked up about this. Yes, this is the first time Homsar laughs on screen but seriously. this is a wiki, not a baby book. characters have laughed befor, and had no one make a note of it. I think a first laugh by a character in no where near as important as you all are making it seem. [[User:Origonalname]]

== Mazipan's Teeth'd? ==

I noticed that Marzipan's teeth show more often in this toon, as well as in [[Kick-A-Ball]]. Does this, by any chance, count as further Marzipan evolution? {{User:Religious Corn/sig}} 20:24, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

:I don't know, maybe. [[User:MICGAGUH]]
::I saw some noticeable difference in her eyes. I think Marzipan's eyes have evolved a little bit, but not her teeth. [[User:Origonalname]]

== Well shut his mouth. ==

Strong Bad says in [[Homestar Runner Presents: Presents]] "Well shut my mouth" as a phrase that seems to mean "That's something I never expected to see happen". This combined with the fact that he has never before seen having an truely shut mouth makes me wonder: Should it be noted that this is the first time Strong Bad shuts his mouth, ableit only in cartoon form? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 23:01, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

== Mixed Art Styles ==

Should it be remarked that Ted Avarill was drawn by hand and then his mouth was added later using vector art? If you zoom in, you can clearly see that everything besides his mouth is pixelated. --[[Special:Contributions/141.224.237.41|141.224.237.41]] 23:05, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== Italian Satellite (of love) ==

Is it just me or does the Italin Spy Satellite look like a winebottle in a basket?
:Well, those Italians ''do'' enjoy their wine... but no, I think it more resembles just a stereotypical satellite shape. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 06:14, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
:: http://www.anl.gov/Science_and_Technology/History/Anniversary_Frontiers/12photo.html

== Main page message ==

The font used for "cosmic rays!!" has always looked like the font for main page messages. --{{User:Fangoriously/SIGGY HERE!}} 00:52, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

== AAAAAAAHHHH! MY EYES!!!! ==

I am going to put a warning next to that "flesh eating virus" link. That was so nasty my brain threw up. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 11:08, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
:what? {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:46, 23 May 2009}}

Talk:Cheat Commandos: 2 Part Episode: Part 1

Origonalname — Thu, 06 Aug 2009 22:50:51 GMT

Origonalname: /* Flash file deleted? */

==Doppel or Toppel==
The transcript uses the actual word doppelganger, while the inside reference is to the Toppelgangers. Is the transcript wromg? -[[Special:Contributions/173.3.112.55|173.3.112.55]] 13:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:I thought it sounded like "toppleganger" when I was transcribing it, but I'd forgotten about [[The Topplegangers]], so I figured I was just mishearing. But I wasn't, Toppleganger is right, and I've already fixed the transcript as soon as I saw the inside ref. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 13:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== Get back to work, guys. ==

I think Reynolds brother says "Get back to work, Charles." and don't we already know that Charles is Gunhaver's first name from [[let us give tanks]]? [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 14:06, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

: I've listened to it several times, and I believe this is true. I'm gonna change it. It also makes makes sense since Crackotage and Silent Rip are actually working [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 14:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Sounds reasonable to me. Listening again, I hear "Charles" too. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 14:13, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== Does this mean... ==
...that next week there is gonna be another Cheat Commando's? [[User:MICGAGUH]]
: Given the [[retirement|last time]] we had a two-part toon? Might be tomorrow. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:41, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== white screen ==

<blockquote>A decompiler, a Flash Seek Bookmarklet, or the Greasemonkey script reveals a white screen before the TV Easter egg can be accessed.</blockquote>

I removed this from the ''Easter Eggs'' section, because that's certainly not the right place for it. I considered placing it elsewhere on the page, but decided not to because it doesn't seem that notable. The [[HRWiki:Standards]] as I interpret them, seems we don't mention such things unless they are clearly meant to be discovered and/or add something relevant to the cartoon (E.g. [[:Image:Dodongo.png|"Nice try, dodongo"]] and [[:Image:By strong bab age 5.PNG|—by Strong Bab]]). Just thought I'd mention my rationale here, if others feel that it really deserves a mention in the article, I don't have a strong opinion against that. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 19:56, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

:Definitely notable, but seemingly unintentional. Seems like a goof or a remark to me. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
::Things like this have been remarked before, such as the [[mile|dancing feet]] or the extra frames in [[Not the 100th Email!!!|Not the Hundredth E-mail]]. -[[User:MNGoldenEagle|MNGoldenEagle]] 21:34, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== Doorbell ==

Does anyone know the name of the "ditty" that the doorbell plays? I know that it is commonly used to depict a ringing doorbell, but I don't want to add it to the real-world references section without knowing the name. [[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 21:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

:See [[wikipedia:Westminster Quarters]] (added a note under Remarks). {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 22:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

:: Why isn't this considered a Real-World Ref? [[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 22:34, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

:::In my opinion, it belongs under Explanations because it's not referring to any specific clock (or doorbell). That tune is ''very'' commonly used for clocks and doorbells. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 22:38, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

::::But look at [[Donut Unto Others]]. A common tune was used in that toon as well, and that was put in Real World Refs. [[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 22:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Yeah guys, that doorbell was totally awesome! It sounds familiar though. [[User:Fingerface|Fingerface]] 23:54, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== With a vengeance ==

The credits say this show was "written with a vengeance by A.Chimendez". We already know he and Crack Stuntman have creative differences and that Gunhaver was nearly written off the show because of it. Now, in this episode, Gunhaver is fired. Am I on to something? [[User:TJDevil02|TJDevil02]] 02:51, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:I think you're right. This needs to be discussed further. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 03:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== All Ashore ==

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiral Admiral] is the highest rank in a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy naval force], which makes it interesting that Flashfight takes charge of the Cheat Commandos, considering they're mostly ground-based forces.

Is this worth pointing out somewhere? --[[User:President Cold One|President Cold One]] 09:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

: For shore (please don't make fun of that pun). --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 10:40, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

::All of the contents of this cartoon suggest that the Cheat Commandos are administered by BE(E)FF, which is probably an international organization. The fact that Admiral Flashfight and Fightgar both seem to be British and Ripberger has an accent would jive with this, too. And, such an international organization could involve a collaboration among various armed services (Flashfight coming from a Navy, Crackotage coming from an Air Force?). Meh? [[User:Durniel|Durniel]] 06:55, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== 3 for 1 ==

The Cheat Commandos ththeme song goes "Cheat Commandos, maybe fighting for freedom, and each is sold separately. Cheat Commandos, they're probably battling evil. Buy all our playsets and toys!"
Is it notable that Green Helmts are 3-for-11, but their theme song says "each is sold separately." [[User:TheFunmachine|TheFunmachine]] 11:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:I think it's notable that although the Green Helmets are part of a "discount three pack", they cost the same as any other CCdo. Although, come to think of it, three for the price of one is a bargain. {{User:Neox/sig}} 16:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Don't forget, that the Green Helmet is analogous to a redshirt on the original Star Trek (i.e. expendable), so, naturally they'd be cheaper. [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 18:13, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Opps! Sorry. I meant 3 for 1, as in them not being sold separately, where the theme song says "each is sold separately" However, but they're Green Helmets, so maybe they're not like the rest. [[User:TheFunmachine|TheFunmachine]] 11:33, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Gasp! ==

For some reason, I can only hear Fightgar gasping during the scene when Flashfight fires people. Anyone else? -[[Special:Contributions/76.119.99.198|76.119.99.198]]

== Section? ==

I honestly don't know what section this one belongs in, but...
During the scene where Gunhaver, Silent Rip, and Crackotage are talking outside the headquarters, Gunhaver's face can be seen painted on the door, along with a word bubble reading, "Rock, rock on!"
... Actually, is this even notable enough to be put in?
:The best place for this information is in the transcript itself. Why not go ahead and add it there? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

== Extra Melty? ==

Isn't that a reference to the Meltymens? [[User:DJmankiewicz|DJmankiewicz]] 13:21, 2 June 2009 (CST)
: Meaning the fan stuff thing? Granted there are three of them in that, too, but I think this is more likely just a reference to practice of melting action figures like G. I. Joes. Probably not a deliberate connection. [[User:Durniel|Durniel]] 19:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:: I think is's a reference to [[8-Bit is Enough]] where Strong Bad comments that he thinks the Topplegangers would be "Real Melty". [[User:VmKid|VmKid]] 02:16, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== Oh yeah! Them. ==

I beleive the way Crackotage goes into great detail about the Topplegangers refers to the way many cartoons introduce recurring characters to new audiences or to make a new character(s) seem old: way drawn out and pointlessly explanatory. Example:

*'''Itchy''' : Hey look Scratchy, its our old friend, Poochy!

*'''Scratchy''': What's his name? I forgot.

*'''Poochie''': {does a rap about himself}

source: The Simpsons: The Itchy and Scratchy and Poochy Show.

See what I mean? I just don't know how to word this so it makes sense in the article. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 23:21, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

:Well, exposition has to happen to some degree in ''all'' fiction, and there are only so many ways to do it. I don't see how this case is a reference to any other instance of it. It doesn't really even seem to be poking fun at the sometimes-ridiculous expository dumps that happen pretty often in serial cartoons / sitcoms / etc. It's just TBC using a little humorous dialog as a way of legitimately needed exposition for us, much the same way any other fiction would. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 23:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Right-Click Menu ==

You can rewind!!!!! GASP! {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 15:06, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah... You can do that in all of the flash files. It's nothing, really. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 15:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::I meant on the actual site page, not the SWF file itself. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 19:23, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

== g focrei s same execpt for the bad resturant deal ==

Homestar saying hamsters instend of chat is Disney movie G-Force
:You're saying that Homestar confusing the words "cheat" and "hamster" is from the Disney movie G-Force? Well, I've never seen the movie (and even if I had, I wouldn't remember one line), but feel free to add it! {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 23:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== Crackotage NOT Rhyming? ==

Did anyone else notice how at the end of the toon, Crackotage doesn't even pretend to rhyme? I mean, even in Commandos in the Classroom, he still talked with a funny rhythm like he normally does, but here he actually speaks normally every scene after they're kicked out of the Cheat Commandos.--[[Special:Contributions/76.197.56.155|76.197.56.155]] 06:29, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Hmm, you're right, but I'm not sure it's noteworthy. Is rhyming, like, part of his job?? I don't know. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:56, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:: I sar that too. I've never seen that guy not rhyming.

== Homestar's Brim ==
Is it just me, or does the brim of Homestar's hat in the easter egg look odd? [[User:Man-o-man|Man-o-man]] 17:45, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== Flash file deleted? ==

I tried to watch this 'toon, but it just showed a white square and the navigation bar under it. When I tried to go to the flash file, it just led me to the "404'd" page. Did TBC delete the flash file? I'm pretty sure that this isn't because of my computer because when I went to [[2 Part Episode: Part 2]], it showed the 'toon. --[[User:Particleman24|Particleman24]] 00:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:It's not just your computer. It's not loading for me either, and 404'd for the Flash File. Does this mean that they're going to combine the episodes? I dunno. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 00:10, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::Seriously, what's going on? Should I add this to the page? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 00:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::It's working fine for me. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 00:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Both the flash file AND the normal toon? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 00:54, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's working for me, too. Both the Flash file and the normal toon (which are the ''same'' .swf) load properly. — {{User:Fotoshop/sig}} 01:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::No, I'm having the same problem, even after clearing my cache and trying two different browsers. For those of you where it does work, try clearing your cache and let us know if it still works. --[[User:Spiralagnus|Spiralagnus]] 01:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm not seeing it on my work computer, but my work computer sometimes has the funniest things happen concerning H*R. It would almost certainly be more meaningful to test on my home computer... when I get home. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, it's the next day (For me) and it still isn't working. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 11:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

It works fine for me. [[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 16:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
: And on my home machine. Maybe some ISPs having trouble? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:38, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::That's probably it. Strange, though... {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 17:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

:::I'm trying to watch this toon, but the sites not working. go try it real fast and tell me.

::::Me neither [[Special:Contributions/98.243.177.127|98.243.177.127]] 06:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

It has been [[Talk:Quote_of_the_Week#Quote_download|theorized before]] that the H*R site is hosted on multiple servers, with a load balancer to distribute between them. I think this is a pretty likely theory, and if the file was for some reason removed from one of the servers but not the other(s), that would explain why it randomly works for some people but not others. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 13:53, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Should there be a mirror? [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 15:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:I just wanted to let you other users know that it is working fine on my computer (a MacBook Air). {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 17:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Thank you, knowing that you paid too much for a terrible laptop lets me know that I can disregard your opinion. [[Special:Contributions/68.18.3.42|68.18.3.42]] 15:44, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Yes, add a mirror. I don't know why it works for YOU, but it seems definitely down. I got bupkis. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC) '''Update''' It is definitely removed. I viewed the source, and it came up flat. Just a bunch of non-flash coding. It was actually a code for a blank background. Maybe it got De-le-ted. [[User:Jellote]], again.
:::::Does it like only work with macs? One of my computers has windows xp, and won't work. The other has Ubuntu, and still won't work. Does anyone have a mac and it doesn't work? [[User:origonalname112]]
::::::I have Windows and it works fine, so that can't be it.[[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 21:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I just shot an e-mail to the Brothers Chaps explaining the problem, including screenshots and a link to this discussion. Hopefully, the problem will be resolved as soon as they can get to it. In the meantime, thanks to whomever set up the mirror. --[[User:Spiralagnus|Spiralagnus]] 01:05, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

It's back up for me. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 21:57, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

It works now! Yay! But why didn't it work before? [[User:Origonalname|Origonalname]] 22:50, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

== Blue Laser, A DAD? ==

In the second easter egg with the Blue Laser minions
BLUE LASER MINION 1: You think '''dad''' just forgot to pick us up?

BLUE LASER MINION 2: You know he doesn't like it when we call him that.

Do you think that It's true?
:I think we report what is said, and don't speculate. There's a whole forum where they love this sort of speculation though. Why not try there? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 14:13, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I have the exact opposite oppinion. I think that the egg denies the rumors he is. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 14:29, 25 June 2009 (UTC).
:I think it's relevant to address the question here, as if the egg implied he actually was a father, we'd want to at least note it on BLC's page. However, I don't think there's anything in the egg definitive enough to make that conclusion (and I agree with Jellote that it leads more credence to the opposite). -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.135|128.103.10.135]] 15:31, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Isn't this a reference to the ending scene from Battlestar Galactica ("You know [God] doesn't like that name")?
[[Special:Contributions/71.241.148.116|71.241.148.116]] 03:23, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:imaginary

Origonalname — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:34:57 GMT

Origonalname:

==Sbenav==
<s>I can't get the navboxes in hremail3184 and some kinda robot to link to here. Help? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:03, 13 July 2009 (UTC)</s>
Never mind. I figured it out.

==Strong Mad==
What should we call him? Young Strong Mad, as the transcript calls him, or Teen Strong Mad, as his article calls him? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:32, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:He seems to be very similar to his [[teenage variation]], called Teenage Strong Mad, from [[highschool]]. Perhaps he's the same variation. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::However, the differences are subtle but important. I say we continue to call him Teen Strong Mad. {{User:Open Source Greg/sig}} 15:47, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't know, I think they are the same, and the differences can be accounted for by Strong Bad's "doodle" memory. [[Special:Contributions/66.29.169.1|66.29.169.1]] 16:50, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Maybe it was meant to be the same version, but the small variations are just something the Chaps put in because it's newer. I even spotted some minor changes in young strong bad and strong sad's look, also. [[User:origonalname]]

== Strong Bad annoys himself? ==

I listened to it a dozen times and while Strong Bad is drilling into the brick after talking about other imaginary friends it sounds like he says "Strong Bad and Scotty titi..." instead of "Strong Sad and Scotty titi...". Am I just crazy? {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 13:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
: <strike>Yes, yes you are. And I mean this is the maybe-nicest way I can put it.</strike> Oh my crap! You're right. I was listening for what I thought was the next likely word, not for what was actually said. Sorry, man. Guess ''I'm'' crazy.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 13:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC) UPDATE --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 12:04, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:: It's ridiculous, and it's also exactly what I hear. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:09, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::: I hear Strong Bad to [[Special:Contributions/99.239.22.106|99.239.22.106]] 18:14, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::::I hear "Strong Bad" as well. Weird. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 18:22, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's definitely Strong Bad. I didn't even have to turn up the volume fully. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:25, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::Whew. I'm glad I'm not that crazy. ;) {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 00:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, Matt definitely made a stnank. It wouldn't be the [[environment|first time]] TBC made a goof that was quite so noticeable. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:33, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::::This time it's Matt's fault though :p {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 00:41, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Cosistency? ==
Am I the only one who knows for a fact that Trogdor didn't exist in the time of Lil' Stro Bro? Seems retconned to me. Inconsistency, anyone? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 13:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:Perhaps Trogdor used to exist in Lil' Strong Bad's mind until [[dragon]], during which he drew him onto paper (albiet requiring a second attempt). Many cartoonists think up ideas for new characters years before they actually drawn the initial concept sketches. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Didnt Strong Mad have a Trogdor poster in this email?

This is probably a stupid thought, but since it doesn't actually ''say'' TROGDOR on the poster in Strong Mad's room, (it says PUBERTY) perhaps Strong Bad ripped off Trogdor from that dragon? Or maybe subconciously drew the same thing based off his childhood memory of it? I know, kind of far fetched. --[[Special:Contributions/76.248.84.243|76.248.84.243]] 15:43, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
: The imagination version was a half man, half dragon. i think it was just something not well though through by the Chaps. [[User:origonalname]]]

== Owies! ==
Gron Sad has a patch over his "Belly Button". Is this because he had a hole drilled there in [[origins]]? That's the only reason I see, and that was my first reaction. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 13:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:You are correct, Sir. It seems TBC were fortunate enough to remember this important fact. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:At least they remembered one fact. [[User:origonalname]]

== Hyphen-have? ==

This e-mail features the word "friend-have". It somewhat reminds me of "[[Coach Z's 110%|VCR-have]]". Is that notable yet? [[Special:Contributions/99.142.19.40|99.142.19.40]] 15:27, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:If you're suggesting that this could be a new running gag in the form of [[X-have]], we'll need to find a few more examples before we can create the article. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:29, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::It seems like "sense-make" falls into this same pattern. Dunno what to call it though, but i'm sure there are plenty of others. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Cherry get! {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 15:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Gunhaver? [[User:Havl|Havl]] 15:58, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::[[Behind The Bad Chapter 3: The Last Straw|Girlfriend-haver]]? {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 22:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::Nah, the "haver" ones don't really fit, however "cherry get" is a good one. The pattern seems to be when using "noun-verb" as a noun, thous "using 'noun-verb' as a noun" isn't a very good page title... maybe just "noun-verb"? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:20, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

== Imaginary Friends ==
Should we make articles for all the minor ones, or just group them together somehow? [[Imaginary Friends]] page? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 15:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== too much "we" ==

I noticed there are two sentences in the script which need rewording: "We pans down to Lil' Strong Bad"''[/sic]'' and "We pan down again to reveal a piece of bread on a blue plate with two pickle slice". Would the correct form for those be "Pan down to (...)" or how should that be rephrased? I wanted to reword it myself, but I didn't really know what would be better. --[[User:Cass from Germany|Cass from Germany]] 17:36, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:Sorry, that was me who put those "we"s in there. You can go ahead and remove them if it sounds better without them. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

==Titi on Scotty Titi==
This is a reference to peeing.
: I think that's what the joke was implied to be. I'm going to add it to this email's and the peeing article. The main reason I say so is his lower body isn't shown and he exclaims "Oh no! My new boots!". Also titi/peepee. Kind of rhymes, and Strong Bad seems to say "titi" as if that wasn't what he really meant.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 01:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Strong Sad being very content... ==

He seems to be smiling QUITE a lot in this flashback. Is that noteworthy for the "Strong Sad Smiling" article, since the "Secrets That I Keep" stuff is noteworthy?
:Maybe the reason is because he has a friend. He never has any friends in the modern times, which could be why he's so depressed. [[User:origonalname]]

== Old Field? ==

Is it worth mentioning that in the flashback with Lil Strong Bad drilling a hole in a brick at the Stick, the bushes in the background are in their original "half circle" style?--[[Special:Contributions/24.34.9.24|24.34.9.24]] 04:31, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== I said consummate v's! ==
Does Lil Strong Bad's T-Shirt have the dragon design that Coach Z drew?
:Hey, it IS Wormdingler! it looks like those cartoony drawings they make for kids t-shirts. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:18, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::It is '''not''' Wormdingler. It has legs. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== King Sad? ==

Is it just me, or do the bandages on Strong Sad's belly look like the ones on King Hippo (from Punch-Out!)? {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 22:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:Both are examples of stereotypical cartoon bandages though, and we all remember how SS got his belly button... {{User:Strongkinghomsarsmith/sig}} 22:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::True, and yet the location and styling seem too uncannily similar, and it wouldn't be the [[montage|first Punch-Out reference]]... {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 23:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:::It's clearly a reference to [[origins]], and not necessarily a reference to King Hippo at all. I say stick with the reference we know over the reference we don't. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::::That doesn't mean it couldn't be both at once, though. If it were just a reference to origins, it could easily have been a regular band-aid type bandage (like, tan with brown sides) rather than a cartoony, X-shaped white tape one. Just a thought. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.174|132.183.138.174]] 16:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::I still think that it's not a reference to king hippo's bandage, but to bandages them selves. sure they didn't use a bandage, but do they have to? I say no reference. [[User:origonalname]]

== Hey! ==
Strong Sad has Homsar as a friend, then again, Strong Bad hates Homsar almost as much as Strong Sad, so that's why Homsar wasn't mentioned as a friend.
:This is great for the forum. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:47, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== E. mail? ==

I'm all for correct grammar and punctuation, but since we have used the spelling "email" everywhere else on the site, should we really start spelling it "E. mail?"--[[User:Rotanagol|Rotanagol]] 18:18, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:No, that's not how we do it. I've reverted it, along with a few other things the annony did that aren't the way we do stuff here. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 18:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::"E. mail" is simply wrong, period. The proper spelling is "e-mail", with a hyphen, but that's clearly not how Strong Bad spells it, so we don't either. Also, the anonny who made those edits is a vandal we've seen before (he always tries to make words more awkwardly complex - "Interior References", which is a completely meaningless term, is his giveaway.) Unfortunately, he has a dynamic IP address and rarely makes more than two or three edits at a time, so it's hard to do much about it. (Besides revert, revert, revert, I mean.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:55, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Noted. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 18:57, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Also, ''e-mail'' is losing currency to ''email'' every day, and already looks as quaint as ''to-day'' and ''per-cent''. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:06, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, no, "e-mail" will never become as quaint as terms that, if they even ever existed at all, are older than the ''concept'' of e-mails. ;) Of course, there should be no question here, when Strong Bad himself consistently calls them "emails". But even if you think "e-mail" looks antiquated - I disagree - it's a far cry better than "E. mail", to say nothing of "game-play" or "wall-paper", which just look stu-pid. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:16, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::A-greed. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 19:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::What does this have to do with this Email? Better for forums probably. [[User:origonalname]]

== Last!?! ==

Email 200 was meant to be the last email. then they had Hremail 3184, which was some how a sbemail. Now they have a 202? Why do the chaps keep changing there minds?

Talk:imaginary

Origonalname — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:31:50 GMT

Origonalname: /* E. mail? */

Talk:imaginary

Origonalname — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:27:44 GMT

Origonalname: /* King Sad? */

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Origonalname — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:24:16 GMT

Origonalname: /* Strong Sad being very content... */

==Sbenav==
<s>I can't get the navboxes in hremail3184 and some kinda robot to link to here. Help? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:03, 13 July 2009 (UTC)</s>
Never mind. I figured it out.

==Strong Mad==
What should we call him? Young Strong Mad, as the transcript calls him, or Teen Strong Mad, as his article calls him? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:32, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:He seems to be very similar to his [[teenage variation]], called Teenage Strong Mad, from [[highschool]]. Perhaps he's the same variation. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::However, the differences are subtle but important. I say we continue to call him Teen Strong Mad. {{User:Open Source Greg/sig}} 15:47, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't know, I think they are the same, and the differences can be accounted for by Strong Bad's "doodle" memory. [[Special:Contributions/66.29.169.1|66.29.169.1]] 16:50, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Maybe it was meant to be the same version, but the small variations are just something the Chaps put in because it's newer. I even spotted some minor changes in young strong bad and strong sad's look, also. [[User:origonalname]]

== Strong Bad annoys himself? ==

I listened to it a dozen times and while Strong Bad is drilling into the brick after talking about other imaginary friends it sounds like he says "Strong Bad and Scotty titi..." instead of "Strong Sad and Scotty titi...". Am I just crazy? {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 13:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
: <strike>Yes, yes you are. And I mean this is the maybe-nicest way I can put it.</strike> Oh my crap! You're right. I was listening for what I thought was the next likely word, not for what was actually said. Sorry, man. Guess ''I'm'' crazy.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 13:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC) UPDATE --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 12:04, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:: It's ridiculous, and it's also exactly what I hear. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:09, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::: I hear Strong Bad to [[Special:Contributions/99.239.22.106|99.239.22.106]] 18:14, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::::I hear "Strong Bad" as well. Weird. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 18:22, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's definitely Strong Bad. I didn't even have to turn up the volume fully. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:25, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::Whew. I'm glad I'm not that crazy. ;) {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 00:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, Matt definitely made a stnank. It wouldn't be the [[environment|first time]] TBC made a goof that was quite so noticeable. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:33, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::::This time it's Matt's fault though :p {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 00:41, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Cosistency? ==
Am I the only one who knows for a fact that Trogdor didn't exist in the time of Lil' Stro Bro? Seems retconned to me. Inconsistency, anyone? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 13:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:Perhaps Trogdor used to exist in Lil' Strong Bad's mind until [[dragon]], during which he drew him onto paper (albiet requiring a second attempt). Many cartoonists think up ideas for new characters years before they actually drawn the initial concept sketches. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Didnt Strong Mad have a Trogdor poster in this email?

This is probably a stupid thought, but since it doesn't actually ''say'' TROGDOR on the poster in Strong Mad's room, (it says PUBERTY) perhaps Strong Bad ripped off Trogdor from that dragon? Or maybe subconciously drew the same thing based off his childhood memory of it? I know, kind of far fetched. --[[Special:Contributions/76.248.84.243|76.248.84.243]] 15:43, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
: The imagination version was a half man, half dragon. i think it was just something not well though through by the Chaps. [[User:origonalname]]]

== Owies! ==
Gron Sad has a patch over his "Belly Button". Is this because he had a hole drilled there in [[origins]]? That's the only reason I see, and that was my first reaction. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 13:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:You are correct, Sir. It seems TBC were fortunate enough to remember this important fact. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:At least they remembered one fact. [[User:origonalname]]

== Hyphen-have? ==

This e-mail features the word "friend-have". It somewhat reminds me of "[[Coach Z's 110%|VCR-have]]". Is that notable yet? [[Special:Contributions/99.142.19.40|99.142.19.40]] 15:27, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:If you're suggesting that this could be a new running gag in the form of [[X-have]], we'll need to find a few more examples before we can create the article. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:29, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::It seems like "sense-make" falls into this same pattern. Dunno what to call it though, but i'm sure there are plenty of others. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Cherry get! {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 15:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Gunhaver? [[User:Havl|Havl]] 15:58, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::[[Behind The Bad Chapter 3: The Last Straw|Girlfriend-haver]]? {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 22:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::Nah, the "haver" ones don't really fit, however "cherry get" is a good one. The pattern seems to be when using "noun-verb" as a noun, thous "using 'noun-verb' as a noun" isn't a very good page title... maybe just "noun-verb"? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:20, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

== Imaginary Friends ==
Should we make articles for all the minor ones, or just group them together somehow? [[Imaginary Friends]] page? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 15:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== too much "we" ==

I noticed there are two sentences in the script which need rewording: "We pans down to Lil' Strong Bad"''[/sic]'' and "We pan down again to reveal a piece of bread on a blue plate with two pickle slice". Would the correct form for those be "Pan down to (...)" or how should that be rephrased? I wanted to reword it myself, but I didn't really know what would be better. --[[User:Cass from Germany|Cass from Germany]] 17:36, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:Sorry, that was me who put those "we"s in there. You can go ahead and remove them if it sounds better without them. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

==Titi on Scotty Titi==
This is a reference to peeing.
: I think that's what the joke was implied to be. I'm going to add it to this email's and the peeing article. The main reason I say so is his lower body isn't shown and he exclaims "Oh no! My new boots!". Also titi/peepee. Kind of rhymes, and Strong Bad seems to say "titi" as if that wasn't what he really meant.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 01:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Strong Sad being very content... ==

He seems to be smiling QUITE a lot in this flashback. Is that noteworthy for the "Strong Sad Smiling" article, since the "Secrets That I Keep" stuff is noteworthy?
:Maybe the reason is because he has a friend. He never has any friends in the modern times, which could be why he's so depressed. [[User:origonalname]]

== Old Field? ==

Is it worth mentioning that in the flashback with Lil Strong Bad drilling a hole in a brick at the Stick, the bushes in the background are in their original "half circle" style?--[[Special:Contributions/24.34.9.24|24.34.9.24]] 04:31, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== I said consummate v's! ==
Does Lil Strong Bad's T-Shirt have the dragon design that Coach Z drew?
:Hey, it IS Wormdingler! it looks like those cartoony drawings they make for kids t-shirts. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:18, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::It is '''not''' Wormdingler. It has legs. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== King Sad? ==

Is it just me, or do the bandages on Strong Sad's belly look like the ones on King Hippo (from Punch-Out!)? {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 22:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:Both are examples of stereotypical cartoon bandages though, and we all remember how SS got his belly button... {{User:Strongkinghomsarsmith/sig}} 22:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::True, and yet the location and styling seem too uncannily similar, and it wouldn't be the [[montage|first Punch-Out reference]]... {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 23:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:::It's clearly a reference to [[origins]], and not necessarily a reference to King Hippo at all. I say stick with the reference we know over the reference we don't. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::::That doesn't mean it couldn't be both at once, though. If it were just a reference to origins, it could easily have been a regular band-aid type bandage (like, tan with brown sides) rather than a cartoony, X-shaped white tape one. Just a thought. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.174|132.183.138.174]] 16:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Hey! ==
Strong Sad has Homsar as a friend, then again, Strong Bad hates Homsar almost as much as Strong Sad, so that's why Homsar wasn't mentioned as a friend.
:This is great for the forum. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:47, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== E. mail? ==

I'm all for correct grammar and punctuation, but since we have used the spelling "email" everywhere else on the site, should we really start spelling it "E. mail?"--[[User:Rotanagol|Rotanagol]] 18:18, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:No, that's not how we do it. I've reverted it, along with a few other things the annony did that aren't the way we do stuff here. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 18:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::"E. mail" is simply wrong, period. The proper spelling is "e-mail", with a hyphen, but that's clearly not how Strong Bad spells it, so we don't either. Also, the anonny who made those edits is a vandal we've seen before (he always tries to make words more awkwardly complex - "Interior References", which is a completely meaningless term, is his giveaway.) Unfortunately, he has a dynamic IP address and rarely makes more than two or three edits at a time, so it's hard to do much about it. (Besides revert, revert, revert, I mean.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:55, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Noted. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 18:57, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Also, ''e-mail'' is losing currency to ''email'' every day, and already looks as quaint as ''to-day'' and ''per-cent''. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:06, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, no, "e-mail" will never become as quaint as terms that, if they even ever existed at all, are older than the ''concept'' of e-mails. ;) Of course, there should be no question here, when Strong Bad himself consistently calls them "emails". But even if you think "e-mail" looks antiquated - I disagree - it's a far cry better than "E. mail", to say nothing of "game-play" or "wall-paper", which just look stu-pid. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:16, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::A-greed. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 19:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:imaginary

Origonalname — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:17:50 GMT

Origonalname: /* Owies! */

==Sbenav==
<s>I can't get the navboxes in hremail3184 and some kinda robot to link to here. Help? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:03, 13 July 2009 (UTC)</s>
Never mind. I figured it out.

==Strong Mad==
What should we call him? Young Strong Mad, as the transcript calls him, or Teen Strong Mad, as his article calls him? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:32, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:He seems to be very similar to his [[teenage variation]], called Teenage Strong Mad, from [[highschool]]. Perhaps he's the same variation. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::However, the differences are subtle but important. I say we continue to call him Teen Strong Mad. {{User:Open Source Greg/sig}} 15:47, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't know, I think they are the same, and the differences can be accounted for by Strong Bad's "doodle" memory. [[Special:Contributions/66.29.169.1|66.29.169.1]] 16:50, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Maybe it was meant to be the same version, but the small variations are just something the Chaps put in because it's newer. I even spotted some minor changes in young strong bad and strong sad's look, also. [[User:origonalname]]

== Strong Bad annoys himself? ==

I listened to it a dozen times and while Strong Bad is drilling into the brick after talking about other imaginary friends it sounds like he says "Strong Bad and Scotty titi..." instead of "Strong Sad and Scotty titi...". Am I just crazy? {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 13:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
: <strike>Yes, yes you are. And I mean this is the maybe-nicest way I can put it.</strike> Oh my crap! You're right. I was listening for what I thought was the next likely word, not for what was actually said. Sorry, man. Guess ''I'm'' crazy.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 13:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC) UPDATE --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 12:04, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:: It's ridiculous, and it's also exactly what I hear. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:09, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::: I hear Strong Bad to [[Special:Contributions/99.239.22.106|99.239.22.106]] 18:14, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::::I hear "Strong Bad" as well. Weird. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 18:22, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's definitely Strong Bad. I didn't even have to turn up the volume fully. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:25, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::Whew. I'm glad I'm not that crazy. ;) {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 00:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, Matt definitely made a stnank. It wouldn't be the [[environment|first time]] TBC made a goof that was quite so noticeable. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:33, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::::This time it's Matt's fault though :p {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 00:41, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Cosistency? ==
Am I the only one who knows for a fact that Trogdor didn't exist in the time of Lil' Stro Bro? Seems retconned to me. Inconsistency, anyone? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 13:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:Perhaps Trogdor used to exist in Lil' Strong Bad's mind until [[dragon]], during which he drew him onto paper (albiet requiring a second attempt). Many cartoonists think up ideas for new characters years before they actually drawn the initial concept sketches. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Didnt Strong Mad have a Trogdor poster in this email?

This is probably a stupid thought, but since it doesn't actually ''say'' TROGDOR on the poster in Strong Mad's room, (it says PUBERTY) perhaps Strong Bad ripped off Trogdor from that dragon? Or maybe subconciously drew the same thing based off his childhood memory of it? I know, kind of far fetched. --[[Special:Contributions/76.248.84.243|76.248.84.243]] 15:43, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
: The imagination version was a half man, half dragon. i think it was just something not well though through by the Chaps. [[User:origonalname]]]

== Owies! ==
Gron Sad has a patch over his "Belly Button". Is this because he had a hole drilled there in [[origins]]? That's the only reason I see, and that was my first reaction. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 13:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:You are correct, Sir. It seems TBC were fortunate enough to remember this important fact. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:At least they remembered one fact. [[User:origonalname]]

== Hyphen-have? ==

This e-mail features the word "friend-have". It somewhat reminds me of "[[Coach Z's 110%|VCR-have]]". Is that notable yet? [[Special:Contributions/99.142.19.40|99.142.19.40]] 15:27, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:If you're suggesting that this could be a new running gag in the form of [[X-have]], we'll need to find a few more examples before we can create the article. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:29, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::It seems like "sense-make" falls into this same pattern. Dunno what to call it though, but i'm sure there are plenty of others. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Cherry get! {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 15:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Gunhaver? [[User:Havl|Havl]] 15:58, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::[[Behind The Bad Chapter 3: The Last Straw|Girlfriend-haver]]? {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 22:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Imaginary Friends ==
Should we make articles for all the minor ones, or just group them together somehow? [[Imaginary Friends]] page? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 15:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== too much "we" ==

I noticed there are two sentences in the script which need rewording: "We pans down to Lil' Strong Bad"''[/sic]'' and "We pan down again to reveal a piece of bread on a blue plate with two pickle slice". Would the correct form for those be "Pan down to (...)" or how should that be rephrased? I wanted to reword it myself, but I didn't really know what would be better. --[[User:Cass from Germany|Cass from Germany]] 17:36, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:Sorry, that was me who put those "we"s in there. You can go ahead and remove them if it sounds better without them. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

==Titi on Scotty Titi==
This is a reference to peeing.
: I think that's what the joke was implied to be. I'm going to add it to this email's and the peeing article. The main reason I say so is his lower body isn't shown and he exclaims "Oh no! My new boots!". Also titi/peepee. Kind of rhymes, and Strong Bad seems to say "titi" as if that wasn't what he really meant.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 01:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Strong Sad being very content... ==

He seems to be smiling QUITE a lot in this flashback. Is that noteworthy for the "Strong Sad Smiling" article, since the "Secrets That I Keep" stuff is noteworthy?

== Old Field? ==

Is it worth mentioning that in the flashback with Lil Strong Bad drilling a hole in a brick at the Stick, the bushes in the background are in their original "half circle" style?--[[Special:Contributions/24.34.9.24|24.34.9.24]] 04:31, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== I said consummate v's! ==
Does Lil Strong Bad's T-Shirt have the dragon design that Coach Z drew?
:Hey, it IS Wormdingler! it looks like those cartoony drawings they make for kids t-shirts. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:18, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::It is '''not''' Wormdingler. It has legs. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== King Sad? ==

Is it just me, or do the bandages on Strong Sad's belly look like the ones on King Hippo (from Punch-Out!)? {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 22:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:Both are examples of stereotypical cartoon bandages though, and we all remember how SS got his belly button... {{User:Strongkinghomsarsmith/sig}} 22:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::True, and yet the location and styling seem too uncannily similar, and it wouldn't be the [[montage|first Punch-Out reference]]... {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 23:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:::It's clearly a reference to [[origins]], and not necessarily a reference to King Hippo at all. I say stick with the reference we know over the reference we don't. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::::That doesn't mean it couldn't be both at once, though. If it were just a reference to origins, it could easily have been a regular band-aid type bandage (like, tan with brown sides) rather than a cartoony, X-shaped white tape one. Just a thought. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.174|132.183.138.174]] 16:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Hey! ==
Strong Sad has Homsar as a friend, then again, Strong Bad hates Homsar almost as much as Strong Sad, so that's why Homsar wasn't mentioned as a friend.
:This is great for the forum. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:47, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== E. mail? ==

I'm all for correct grammar and punctuation, but since we have used the spelling "email" everywhere else on the site, should we really start spelling it "E. mail?"--[[User:Rotanagol|Rotanagol]] 18:18, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:No, that's not how we do it. I've reverted it, along with a few other things the annony did that aren't the way we do stuff here. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 18:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::"E. mail" is simply wrong, period. The proper spelling is "e-mail", with a hyphen, but that's clearly not how Strong Bad spells it, so we don't either. Also, the anonny who made those edits is a vandal we've seen before (he always tries to make words more awkwardly complex - "Interior References", which is a completely meaningless term, is his giveaway.) Unfortunately, he has a dynamic IP address and rarely makes more than two or three edits at a time, so it's hard to do much about it. (Besides revert, revert, revert, I mean.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:55, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Noted. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 18:57, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Also, ''e-mail'' is losing currency to ''email'' every day, and already looks as quaint as ''to-day'' and ''per-cent''. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:06, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, no, "e-mail" will never become as quaint as terms that, if they even ever existed at all, are older than the ''concept'' of e-mails. ;) Of course, there should be no question here, when Strong Bad himself consistently calls them "emails". But even if you think "e-mail" looks antiquated - I disagree - it's a far cry better than "E. mail", to say nothing of "game-play" or "wall-paper", which just look stu-pid. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:16, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::A-greed. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 19:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:imaginary

Origonalname — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:16:36 GMT

Origonalname: /* Cosistency? */

==Sbenav==
<s>I can't get the navboxes in hremail3184 and some kinda robot to link to here. Help? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:03, 13 July 2009 (UTC)</s>
Never mind. I figured it out.

==Strong Mad==
What should we call him? Young Strong Mad, as the transcript calls him, or Teen Strong Mad, as his article calls him? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:32, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:He seems to be very similar to his [[teenage variation]], called Teenage Strong Mad, from [[highschool]]. Perhaps he's the same variation. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::However, the differences are subtle but important. I say we continue to call him Teen Strong Mad. {{User:Open Source Greg/sig}} 15:47, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't know, I think they are the same, and the differences can be accounted for by Strong Bad's "doodle" memory. [[Special:Contributions/66.29.169.1|66.29.169.1]] 16:50, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Maybe it was meant to be the same version, but the small variations are just something the Chaps put in because it's newer. I even spotted some minor changes in young strong bad and strong sad's look, also. [[User:origonalname]]

== Strong Bad annoys himself? ==

I listened to it a dozen times and while Strong Bad is drilling into the brick after talking about other imaginary friends it sounds like he says "Strong Bad and Scotty titi..." instead of "Strong Sad and Scotty titi...". Am I just crazy? {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 13:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
: <strike>Yes, yes you are. And I mean this is the maybe-nicest way I can put it.</strike> Oh my crap! You're right. I was listening for what I thought was the next likely word, not for what was actually said. Sorry, man. Guess ''I'm'' crazy.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 13:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC) UPDATE --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 12:04, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:: It's ridiculous, and it's also exactly what I hear. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:09, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::: I hear Strong Bad to [[Special:Contributions/99.239.22.106|99.239.22.106]] 18:14, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::::I hear "Strong Bad" as well. Weird. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 18:22, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's definitely Strong Bad. I didn't even have to turn up the volume fully. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:25, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::Whew. I'm glad I'm not that crazy. ;) {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 00:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, Matt definitely made a stnank. It wouldn't be the [[environment|first time]] TBC made a goof that was quite so noticeable. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:33, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::::This time it's Matt's fault though :p {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 00:41, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Cosistency? ==
Am I the only one who knows for a fact that Trogdor didn't exist in the time of Lil' Stro Bro? Seems retconned to me. Inconsistency, anyone? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 13:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:Perhaps Trogdor used to exist in Lil' Strong Bad's mind until [[dragon]], during which he drew him onto paper (albiet requiring a second attempt). Many cartoonists think up ideas for new characters years before they actually drawn the initial concept sketches. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Didnt Strong Mad have a Trogdor poster in this email?

This is probably a stupid thought, but since it doesn't actually ''say'' TROGDOR on the poster in Strong Mad's room, (it says PUBERTY) perhaps Strong Bad ripped off Trogdor from that dragon? Or maybe subconciously drew the same thing based off his childhood memory of it? I know, kind of far fetched. --[[Special:Contributions/76.248.84.243|76.248.84.243]] 15:43, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
: The imagination version was a half man, half dragon. i think it was just something not well though through by the Chaps. [[User:origonalname]]]

== Owies! ==
Gron Sad has a patch over his "Belly Button". Is this because he had a hole drilled there in [[origins]]? That's the only reason I see, and that was my first reaction. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 13:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:You are correct, Sir. It seems TBC were fortunate enough to remember this important fact. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== Hyphen-have? ==

This e-mail features the word "friend-have". It somewhat reminds me of "[[Coach Z's 110%|VCR-have]]". Is that notable yet? [[Special:Contributions/99.142.19.40|99.142.19.40]] 15:27, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:If you're suggesting that this could be a new running gag in the form of [[X-have]], we'll need to find a few more examples before we can create the article. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:29, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::It seems like "sense-make" falls into this same pattern. Dunno what to call it though, but i'm sure there are plenty of others. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Cherry get! {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 15:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Gunhaver? [[User:Havl|Havl]] 15:58, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::[[Behind The Bad Chapter 3: The Last Straw|Girlfriend-haver]]? {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 22:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Imaginary Friends ==
Should we make articles for all the minor ones, or just group them together somehow? [[Imaginary Friends]] page? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 15:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== too much "we" ==

I noticed there are two sentences in the script which need rewording: "We pans down to Lil' Strong Bad"''[/sic]'' and "We pan down again to reveal a piece of bread on a blue plate with two pickle slice". Would the correct form for those be "Pan down to (...)" or how should that be rephrased? I wanted to reword it myself, but I didn't really know what would be better. --[[User:Cass from Germany|Cass from Germany]] 17:36, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:Sorry, that was me who put those "we"s in there. You can go ahead and remove them if it sounds better without them. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

==Titi on Scotty Titi==
This is a reference to peeing.
: I think that's what the joke was implied to be. I'm going to add it to this email's and the peeing article. The main reason I say so is his lower body isn't shown and he exclaims "Oh no! My new boots!". Also titi/peepee. Kind of rhymes, and Strong Bad seems to say "titi" as if that wasn't what he really meant.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 01:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Strong Sad being very content... ==

He seems to be smiling QUITE a lot in this flashback. Is that noteworthy for the "Strong Sad Smiling" article, since the "Secrets That I Keep" stuff is noteworthy?

== Old Field? ==

Is it worth mentioning that in the flashback with Lil Strong Bad drilling a hole in a brick at the Stick, the bushes in the background are in their original "half circle" style?--[[Special:Contributions/24.34.9.24|24.34.9.24]] 04:31, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== I said consummate v's! ==
Does Lil Strong Bad's T-Shirt have the dragon design that Coach Z drew?
:Hey, it IS Wormdingler! it looks like those cartoony drawings they make for kids t-shirts. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:18, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::It is '''not''' Wormdingler. It has legs. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== King Sad? ==

Is it just me, or do the bandages on Strong Sad's belly look like the ones on King Hippo (from Punch-Out!)? {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 22:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:Both are examples of stereotypical cartoon bandages though, and we all remember how SS got his belly button... {{User:Strongkinghomsarsmith/sig}} 22:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::True, and yet the location and styling seem too uncannily similar, and it wouldn't be the [[montage|first Punch-Out reference]]... {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 23:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:::It's clearly a reference to [[origins]], and not necessarily a reference to King Hippo at all. I say stick with the reference we know over the reference we don't. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::::That doesn't mean it couldn't be both at once, though. If it were just a reference to origins, it could easily have been a regular band-aid type bandage (like, tan with brown sides) rather than a cartoony, X-shaped white tape one. Just a thought. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.174|132.183.138.174]] 16:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Hey! ==
Strong Sad has Homsar as a friend, then again, Strong Bad hates Homsar almost as much as Strong Sad, so that's why Homsar wasn't mentioned as a friend.
:This is great for the forum. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:47, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== E. mail? ==

I'm all for correct grammar and punctuation, but since we have used the spelling "email" everywhere else on the site, should we really start spelling it "E. mail?"--[[User:Rotanagol|Rotanagol]] 18:18, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:No, that's not how we do it. I've reverted it, along with a few other things the annony did that aren't the way we do stuff here. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 18:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::"E. mail" is simply wrong, period. The proper spelling is "e-mail", with a hyphen, but that's clearly not how Strong Bad spells it, so we don't either. Also, the anonny who made those edits is a vandal we've seen before (he always tries to make words more awkwardly complex - "Interior References", which is a completely meaningless term, is his giveaway.) Unfortunately, he has a dynamic IP address and rarely makes more than two or three edits at a time, so it's hard to do much about it. (Besides revert, revert, revert, I mean.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:55, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Noted. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 18:57, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Also, ''e-mail'' is losing currency to ''email'' every day, and already looks as quaint as ''to-day'' and ''per-cent''. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:06, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, no, "e-mail" will never become as quaint as terms that, if they even ever existed at all, are older than the ''concept'' of e-mails. ;) Of course, there should be no question here, when Strong Bad himself consistently calls them "emails". But even if you think "e-mail" looks antiquated - I disagree - it's a far cry better than "E. mail", to say nothing of "game-play" or "wall-paper", which just look stu-pid. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:16, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::A-greed. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 19:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:imaginary

Origonalname — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:15:54 GMT

Origonalname: /* Strong Mad */

==Sbenav==
<s>I can't get the navboxes in hremail3184 and some kinda robot to link to here. Help? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:03, 13 July 2009 (UTC)</s>
Never mind. I figured it out.

==Strong Mad==
What should we call him? Young Strong Mad, as the transcript calls him, or Teen Strong Mad, as his article calls him? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:32, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:He seems to be very similar to his [[teenage variation]], called Teenage Strong Mad, from [[highschool]]. Perhaps he's the same variation. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::However, the differences are subtle but important. I say we continue to call him Teen Strong Mad. {{User:Open Source Greg/sig}} 15:47, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't know, I think they are the same, and the differences can be accounted for by Strong Bad's "doodle" memory. [[Special:Contributions/66.29.169.1|66.29.169.1]] 16:50, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Maybe it was meant to be the same version, but the small variations are just something the Chaps put in because it's newer. I even spotted some minor changes in young strong bad and strong sad's look, also. [[User:origonalname]]

== Strong Bad annoys himself? ==

I listened to it a dozen times and while Strong Bad is drilling into the brick after talking about other imaginary friends it sounds like he says "Strong Bad and Scotty titi..." instead of "Strong Sad and Scotty titi...". Am I just crazy? {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 13:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
: <strike>Yes, yes you are. And I mean this is the maybe-nicest way I can put it.</strike> Oh my crap! You're right. I was listening for what I thought was the next likely word, not for what was actually said. Sorry, man. Guess ''I'm'' crazy.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 13:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC) UPDATE --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 12:04, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:: It's ridiculous, and it's also exactly what I hear. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:09, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::: I hear Strong Bad to [[Special:Contributions/99.239.22.106|99.239.22.106]] 18:14, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::::I hear "Strong Bad" as well. Weird. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 18:22, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's definitely Strong Bad. I didn't even have to turn up the volume fully. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:25, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::Whew. I'm glad I'm not that crazy. ;) {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 00:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, Matt definitely made a stnank. It wouldn't be the [[environment|first time]] TBC made a goof that was quite so noticeable. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:33, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::::This time it's Matt's fault though :p {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 00:41, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Cosistency? ==
Am I the only one who knows for a fact that Trogdor didn't exist in the time of Lil' Stro Bro? Seems retconned to me. Inconsistency, anyone? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 13:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:Perhaps Trogdor used to exist in Lil' Strong Bad's mind until [[dragon]], during which he drew him onto paper (albiet requiring a second attempt). Many cartoonists think up ideas for new characters years before they actually drawn the initial concept sketches. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Didnt Strong Mad have a Trogdor poster in this email?

This is probably a stupid thought, but since it doesn't actually ''say'' TROGDOR on the poster in Strong Mad's room, (it says PUBERTY) perhaps Strong Bad ripped off Trogdor from that dragon? Or maybe subconciously drew the same thing based off his childhood memory of it? I know, kind of far fetched. --[[Special:Contributions/76.248.84.243|76.248.84.243]] 15:43, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:The imagination version was a half man, half dragon. i think it was just something not well though through by the Chaps.

== Owies! ==
Gron Sad has a patch over his "Belly Button". Is this because he had a hole drilled there in [[origins]]? That's the only reason I see, and that was my first reaction. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 13:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:You are correct, Sir. It seems TBC were fortunate enough to remember this important fact. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== Hyphen-have? ==

This e-mail features the word "friend-have". It somewhat reminds me of "[[Coach Z's 110%|VCR-have]]". Is that notable yet? [[Special:Contributions/99.142.19.40|99.142.19.40]] 15:27, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:If you're suggesting that this could be a new running gag in the form of [[X-have]], we'll need to find a few more examples before we can create the article. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:29, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::It seems like "sense-make" falls into this same pattern. Dunno what to call it though, but i'm sure there are plenty of others. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Cherry get! {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 15:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Gunhaver? [[User:Havl|Havl]] 15:58, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::[[Behind The Bad Chapter 3: The Last Straw|Girlfriend-haver]]? {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 22:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Imaginary Friends ==
Should we make articles for all the minor ones, or just group them together somehow? [[Imaginary Friends]] page? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 15:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== too much "we" ==

I noticed there are two sentences in the script which need rewording: "We pans down to Lil' Strong Bad"''[/sic]'' and "We pan down again to reveal a piece of bread on a blue plate with two pickle slice". Would the correct form for those be "Pan down to (...)" or how should that be rephrased? I wanted to reword it myself, but I didn't really know what would be better. --[[User:Cass from Germany|Cass from Germany]] 17:36, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:Sorry, that was me who put those "we"s in there. You can go ahead and remove them if it sounds better without them. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

==Titi on Scotty Titi==
This is a reference to peeing.
: I think that's what the joke was implied to be. I'm going to add it to this email's and the peeing article. The main reason I say so is his lower body isn't shown and he exclaims "Oh no! My new boots!". Also titi/peepee. Kind of rhymes, and Strong Bad seems to say "titi" as if that wasn't what he really meant.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 01:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Strong Sad being very content... ==

He seems to be smiling QUITE a lot in this flashback. Is that noteworthy for the "Strong Sad Smiling" article, since the "Secrets That I Keep" stuff is noteworthy?

== Old Field? ==

Is it worth mentioning that in the flashback with Lil Strong Bad drilling a hole in a brick at the Stick, the bushes in the background are in their original "half circle" style?--[[Special:Contributions/24.34.9.24|24.34.9.24]] 04:31, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== I said consummate v's! ==
Does Lil Strong Bad's T-Shirt have the dragon design that Coach Z drew?
:Hey, it IS Wormdingler! it looks like those cartoony drawings they make for kids t-shirts. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:18, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::It is '''not''' Wormdingler. It has legs. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== King Sad? ==

Is it just me, or do the bandages on Strong Sad's belly look like the ones on King Hippo (from Punch-Out!)? {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 22:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:Both are examples of stereotypical cartoon bandages though, and we all remember how SS got his belly button... {{User:Strongkinghomsarsmith/sig}} 22:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::True, and yet the location and styling seem too uncannily similar, and it wouldn't be the [[montage|first Punch-Out reference]]... {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 23:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:::It's clearly a reference to [[origins]], and not necessarily a reference to King Hippo at all. I say stick with the reference we know over the reference we don't. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::::That doesn't mean it couldn't be both at once, though. If it were just a reference to origins, it could easily have been a regular band-aid type bandage (like, tan with brown sides) rather than a cartoony, X-shaped white tape one. Just a thought. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.174|132.183.138.174]] 16:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Hey! ==
Strong Sad has Homsar as a friend, then again, Strong Bad hates Homsar almost as much as Strong Sad, so that's why Homsar wasn't mentioned as a friend.
:This is great for the forum. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:47, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== E. mail? ==

I'm all for correct grammar and punctuation, but since we have used the spelling "email" everywhere else on the site, should we really start spelling it "E. mail?"--[[User:Rotanagol|Rotanagol]] 18:18, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:No, that's not how we do it. I've reverted it, along with a few other things the annony did that aren't the way we do stuff here. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 18:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::"E. mail" is simply wrong, period. The proper spelling is "e-mail", with a hyphen, but that's clearly not how Strong Bad spells it, so we don't either. Also, the anonny who made those edits is a vandal we've seen before (he always tries to make words more awkwardly complex - "Interior References", which is a completely meaningless term, is his giveaway.) Unfortunately, he has a dynamic IP address and rarely makes more than two or three edits at a time, so it's hard to do much about it. (Besides revert, revert, revert, I mean.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:55, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Noted. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 18:57, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Also, ''e-mail'' is losing currency to ''email'' every day, and already looks as quaint as ''to-day'' and ''per-cent''. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:06, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, no, "e-mail" will never become as quaint as terms that, if they even ever existed at all, are older than the ''concept'' of e-mails. ;) Of course, there should be no question here, when Strong Bad himself consistently calls them "emails". But even if you think "e-mail" looks antiquated - I disagree - it's a far cry better than "E. mail", to say nothing of "game-play" or "wall-paper", which just look stu-pid. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:16, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::A-greed. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 19:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:imaginary

Origonalname — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:15:26 GMT

Origonalname: /* Cosistency? */

==Sbenav==
<s>I can't get the navboxes in hremail3184 and some kinda robot to link to here. Help? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:03, 13 July 2009 (UTC)</s>
Never mind. I figured it out.

==Strong Mad==
What should we call him? Young Strong Mad, as the transcript calls him, or Teen Strong Mad, as his article calls him? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:32, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:He seems to be very similar to his [[teenage variation]], called Teenage Strong Mad, from [[highschool]]. Perhaps he's the same variation. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::However, the differences are subtle but important. I say we continue to call him Teen Strong Mad. {{User:Open Source Greg/sig}} 15:47, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't know, I think they are the same, and the differences can be accounted for by Strong Bad's "doodle" memory. [[Special:Contributions/66.29.169.1|66.29.169.1]] 16:50, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Maybe it was meant to be the same version, but the small variations are just something the Chaps put in because it's newer. I even spotted some minor changes in young strong bad and strong sad's look, also.

== Strong Bad annoys himself? ==

I listened to it a dozen times and while Strong Bad is drilling into the brick after talking about other imaginary friends it sounds like he says "Strong Bad and Scotty titi..." instead of "Strong Sad and Scotty titi...". Am I just crazy? {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 13:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
: <strike>Yes, yes you are. And I mean this is the maybe-nicest way I can put it.</strike> Oh my crap! You're right. I was listening for what I thought was the next likely word, not for what was actually said. Sorry, man. Guess ''I'm'' crazy.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 13:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC) UPDATE --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 12:04, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:: It's ridiculous, and it's also exactly what I hear. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:09, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::: I hear Strong Bad to [[Special:Contributions/99.239.22.106|99.239.22.106]] 18:14, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::::I hear "Strong Bad" as well. Weird. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 18:22, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's definitely Strong Bad. I didn't even have to turn up the volume fully. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:25, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::Whew. I'm glad I'm not that crazy. ;) {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 00:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, Matt definitely made a stnank. It wouldn't be the [[environment|first time]] TBC made a goof that was quite so noticeable. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:33, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::::This time it's Matt's fault though :p {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 00:41, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Cosistency? ==
Am I the only one who knows for a fact that Trogdor didn't exist in the time of Lil' Stro Bro? Seems retconned to me. Inconsistency, anyone? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 13:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:Perhaps Trogdor used to exist in Lil' Strong Bad's mind until [[dragon]], during which he drew him onto paper (albiet requiring a second attempt). Many cartoonists think up ideas for new characters years before they actually drawn the initial concept sketches. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Didnt Strong Mad have a Trogdor poster in this email?

This is probably a stupid thought, but since it doesn't actually ''say'' TROGDOR on the poster in Strong Mad's room, (it says PUBERTY) perhaps Strong Bad ripped off Trogdor from that dragon? Or maybe subconciously drew the same thing based off his childhood memory of it? I know, kind of far fetched. --[[Special:Contributions/76.248.84.243|76.248.84.243]] 15:43, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:The imagination version was a half man, half dragon. i think it was just something not well though through by the Chaps.

== Owies! ==
Gron Sad has a patch over his "Belly Button". Is this because he had a hole drilled there in [[origins]]? That's the only reason I see, and that was my first reaction. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 13:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:You are correct, Sir. It seems TBC were fortunate enough to remember this important fact. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== Hyphen-have? ==

This e-mail features the word "friend-have". It somewhat reminds me of "[[Coach Z's 110%|VCR-have]]". Is that notable yet? [[Special:Contributions/99.142.19.40|99.142.19.40]] 15:27, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:If you're suggesting that this could be a new running gag in the form of [[X-have]], we'll need to find a few more examples before we can create the article. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:29, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::It seems like "sense-make" falls into this same pattern. Dunno what to call it though, but i'm sure there are plenty of others. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Cherry get! {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 15:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Gunhaver? [[User:Havl|Havl]] 15:58, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::[[Behind The Bad Chapter 3: The Last Straw|Girlfriend-haver]]? {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 22:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Imaginary Friends ==
Should we make articles for all the minor ones, or just group them together somehow? [[Imaginary Friends]] page? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 15:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== too much "we" ==

I noticed there are two sentences in the script which need rewording: "We pans down to Lil' Strong Bad"''[/sic]'' and "We pan down again to reveal a piece of bread on a blue plate with two pickle slice". Would the correct form for those be "Pan down to (...)" or how should that be rephrased? I wanted to reword it myself, but I didn't really know what would be better. --[[User:Cass from Germany|Cass from Germany]] 17:36, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:Sorry, that was me who put those "we"s in there. You can go ahead and remove them if it sounds better without them. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

==Titi on Scotty Titi==
This is a reference to peeing.
: I think that's what the joke was implied to be. I'm going to add it to this email's and the peeing article. The main reason I say so is his lower body isn't shown and he exclaims "Oh no! My new boots!". Also titi/peepee. Kind of rhymes, and Strong Bad seems to say "titi" as if that wasn't what he really meant.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 01:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Strong Sad being very content... ==

He seems to be smiling QUITE a lot in this flashback. Is that noteworthy for the "Strong Sad Smiling" article, since the "Secrets That I Keep" stuff is noteworthy?

== Old Field? ==

Is it worth mentioning that in the flashback with Lil Strong Bad drilling a hole in a brick at the Stick, the bushes in the background are in their original "half circle" style?--[[Special:Contributions/24.34.9.24|24.34.9.24]] 04:31, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== I said consummate v's! ==
Does Lil Strong Bad's T-Shirt have the dragon design that Coach Z drew?
:Hey, it IS Wormdingler! it looks like those cartoony drawings they make for kids t-shirts. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:18, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::It is '''not''' Wormdingler. It has legs. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== King Sad? ==

Is it just me, or do the bandages on Strong Sad's belly look like the ones on King Hippo (from Punch-Out!)? {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 22:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:Both are examples of stereotypical cartoon bandages though, and we all remember how SS got his belly button... {{User:Strongkinghomsarsmith/sig}} 22:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::True, and yet the location and styling seem too uncannily similar, and it wouldn't be the [[montage|first Punch-Out reference]]... {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 23:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:::It's clearly a reference to [[origins]], and not necessarily a reference to King Hippo at all. I say stick with the reference we know over the reference we don't. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::::That doesn't mean it couldn't be both at once, though. If it were just a reference to origins, it could easily have been a regular band-aid type bandage (like, tan with brown sides) rather than a cartoony, X-shaped white tape one. Just a thought. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.174|132.183.138.174]] 16:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Hey! ==
Strong Sad has Homsar as a friend, then again, Strong Bad hates Homsar almost as much as Strong Sad, so that's why Homsar wasn't mentioned as a friend.
:This is great for the forum. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:47, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== E. mail? ==

I'm all for correct grammar and punctuation, but since we have used the spelling "email" everywhere else on the site, should we really start spelling it "E. mail?"--[[User:Rotanagol|Rotanagol]] 18:18, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:No, that's not how we do it. I've reverted it, along with a few other things the annony did that aren't the way we do stuff here. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 18:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::"E. mail" is simply wrong, period. The proper spelling is "e-mail", with a hyphen, but that's clearly not how Strong Bad spells it, so we don't either. Also, the anonny who made those edits is a vandal we've seen before (he always tries to make words more awkwardly complex - "Interior References", which is a completely meaningless term, is his giveaway.) Unfortunately, he has a dynamic IP address and rarely makes more than two or three edits at a time, so it's hard to do much about it. (Besides revert, revert, revert, I mean.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:55, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Noted. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 18:57, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Also, ''e-mail'' is losing currency to ''email'' every day, and already looks as quaint as ''to-day'' and ''per-cent''. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:06, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, no, "e-mail" will never become as quaint as terms that, if they even ever existed at all, are older than the ''concept'' of e-mails. ;) Of course, there should be no question here, when Strong Bad himself consistently calls them "emails". But even if you think "e-mail" looks antiquated - I disagree - it's a far cry better than "E. mail", to say nothing of "game-play" or "wall-paper", which just look stu-pid. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:16, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::A-greed. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 19:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:imaginary

Origonalname — Thu, 16 Jul 2009 00:11:33 GMT

Origonalname: /* Strong Mad */

==Sbenav==
<s>I can't get the navboxes in hremail3184 and some kinda robot to link to here. Help? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:03, 13 July 2009 (UTC)</s>
Never mind. I figured it out.

==Strong Mad==
What should we call him? Young Strong Mad, as the transcript calls him, or Teen Strong Mad, as his article calls him? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:32, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:He seems to be very similar to his [[teenage variation]], called Teenage Strong Mad, from [[highschool]]. Perhaps he's the same variation. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::However, the differences are subtle but important. I say we continue to call him Teen Strong Mad. {{User:Open Source Greg/sig}} 15:47, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::I don't know, I think they are the same, and the differences can be accounted for by Strong Bad's "doodle" memory. [[Special:Contributions/66.29.169.1|66.29.169.1]] 16:50, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Maybe it was meant to be the same version, but the small variations are just something the Chaps put in because it's newer. I even spotted some minor changes in young strong bad and strong sad's look, also.

== Strong Bad annoys himself? ==

I listened to it a dozen times and while Strong Bad is drilling into the brick after talking about other imaginary friends it sounds like he says "Strong Bad and Scotty titi..." instead of "Strong Sad and Scotty titi...". Am I just crazy? {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 13:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
: <strike>Yes, yes you are. And I mean this is the maybe-nicest way I can put it.</strike> Oh my crap! You're right. I was listening for what I thought was the next likely word, not for what was actually said. Sorry, man. Guess ''I'm'' crazy.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 13:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC) UPDATE --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 12:04, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:: It's ridiculous, and it's also exactly what I hear. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:09, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::: I hear Strong Bad to [[Special:Contributions/99.239.22.106|99.239.22.106]] 18:14, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::::I hear "Strong Bad" as well. Weird. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 18:22, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's definitely Strong Bad. I didn't even have to turn up the volume fully. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:25, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::Whew. I'm glad I'm not that crazy. ;) {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 00:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Yeah, Matt definitely made a stnank. It wouldn't be the [[environment|first time]] TBC made a goof that was quite so noticeable. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:33, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::::This time it's Matt's fault though :p {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 00:41, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Cosistency? ==
Am I the only one who knows for a fact that Trogdor didn't exist in the time of Lil' Stro Bro? Seems retconned to me. Inconsistency, anyone? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 13:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:Perhaps Trogdor used to exist in Lil' Strong Bad's mind until [[dragon]], during which he drew him onto paper (albiet requiring a second attempt). Many cartoonists think up ideas for new characters years before they actually drawn the initial concept sketches. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Didnt Strong Mad have a Trogdor poster in this email?

This is probably a stupid thought, but since it doesn't actually ''say'' TROGDOR on the poster in Strong Mad's room, (it says PUBERTY) perhaps Strong Bad ripped off Trogdor from that dragon? Or maybe subconciously drew the same thing based off his childhood memory of it? I know, kind of far fetched. --[[Special:Contributions/76.248.84.243|76.248.84.243]] 15:43, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Owies! ==
Gron Sad has a patch over his "Belly Button". Is this because he had a hole drilled there in [[origins]]? That's the only reason I see, and that was my first reaction. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 13:37, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:You are correct, Sir. It seems TBC were fortunate enough to remember this important fact. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 13:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== Hyphen-have? ==

This e-mail features the word "friend-have". It somewhat reminds me of "[[Coach Z's 110%|VCR-have]]". Is that notable yet? [[Special:Contributions/99.142.19.40|99.142.19.40]] 15:27, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:If you're suggesting that this could be a new running gag in the form of [[X-have]], we'll need to find a few more examples before we can create the article. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:29, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::It seems like "sense-make" falls into this same pattern. Dunno what to call it though, but i'm sure there are plenty of others. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Cherry get! {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 15:33, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Gunhaver? [[User:Havl|Havl]] 15:58, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::[[Behind The Bad Chapter 3: The Last Straw|Girlfriend-haver]]? {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 22:40, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Imaginary Friends ==
Should we make articles for all the minor ones, or just group them together somehow? [[Imaginary Friends]] page? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 15:57, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

== too much "we" ==

I noticed there are two sentences in the script which need rewording: "We pans down to Lil' Strong Bad"''[/sic]'' and "We pan down again to reveal a piece of bread on a blue plate with two pickle slice". Would the correct form for those be "Pan down to (...)" or how should that be rephrased? I wanted to reword it myself, but I didn't really know what would be better. --[[User:Cass from Germany|Cass from Germany]] 17:36, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
:Sorry, that was me who put those "we"s in there. You can go ahead and remove them if it sounds better without them. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:38, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

==Titi on Scotty Titi==
This is a reference to peeing.
: I think that's what the joke was implied to be. I'm going to add it to this email's and the peeing article. The main reason I say so is his lower body isn't shown and he exclaims "Oh no! My new boots!". Also titi/peepee. Kind of rhymes, and Strong Bad seems to say "titi" as if that wasn't what he really meant.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 01:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== Strong Sad being very content... ==

He seems to be smiling QUITE a lot in this flashback. Is that noteworthy for the "Strong Sad Smiling" article, since the "Secrets That I Keep" stuff is noteworthy?

== Old Field? ==

Is it worth mentioning that in the flashback with Lil Strong Bad drilling a hole in a brick at the Stick, the bushes in the background are in their original "half circle" style?--[[Special:Contributions/24.34.9.24|24.34.9.24]] 04:31, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== I said consummate v's! ==
Does Lil Strong Bad's T-Shirt have the dragon design that Coach Z drew?
:Hey, it IS Wormdingler! it looks like those cartoony drawings they make for kids t-shirts. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:18, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::It is '''not''' Wormdingler. It has legs. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

== King Sad? ==

Is it just me, or do the bandages on Strong Sad's belly look like the ones on King Hippo (from Punch-Out!)? {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 22:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:Both are examples of stereotypical cartoon bandages though, and we all remember how SS got his belly button... {{User:Strongkinghomsarsmith/sig}} 22:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::True, and yet the location and styling seem too uncannily similar, and it wouldn't be the [[montage|first Punch-Out reference]]... {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 23:37, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
:::It's clearly a reference to [[origins]], and not necessarily a reference to King Hippo at all. I say stick with the reference we know over the reference we don't. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:50, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
::::That doesn't mean it couldn't be both at once, though. If it were just a reference to origins, it could easily have been a regular band-aid type bandage (like, tan with brown sides) rather than a cartoony, X-shaped white tape one. Just a thought. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.174|132.183.138.174]] 16:31, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== Hey! ==
Strong Sad has Homsar as a friend, then again, Strong Bad hates Homsar almost as much as Strong Sad, so that's why Homsar wasn't mentioned as a friend.
:This is great for the forum. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:47, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

== E. mail? ==

I'm all for correct grammar and punctuation, but since we have used the spelling "email" everywhere else on the site, should we really start spelling it "E. mail?"--[[User:Rotanagol|Rotanagol]] 18:18, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:No, that's not how we do it. I've reverted it, along with a few other things the annony did that aren't the way we do stuff here. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 18:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::"E. mail" is simply wrong, period. The proper spelling is "e-mail", with a hyphen, but that's clearly not how Strong Bad spells it, so we don't either. Also, the anonny who made those edits is a vandal we've seen before (he always tries to make words more awkwardly complex - "Interior References", which is a completely meaningless term, is his giveaway.) Unfortunately, he has a dynamic IP address and rarely makes more than two or three edits at a time, so it's hard to do much about it. (Besides revert, revert, revert, I mean.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:55, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Noted. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 18:57, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Also, ''e-mail'' is losing currency to ''email'' every day, and already looks as quaint as ''to-day'' and ''per-cent''. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:06, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::Well, no, "e-mail" will never become as quaint as terms that, if they even ever existed at all, are older than the ''concept'' of e-mails. ;) Of course, there should be no question here, when Strong Bad himself consistently calls them "emails". But even if you think "e-mail" looks antiquated - I disagree - it's a far cry better than "E. mail", to say nothing of "game-play" or "wall-paper", which just look stu-pid. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:16, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::A-greed. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 19:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

User:Origonalname

Origonalname — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:59:42 GMT

Origonalname:

Hey guys. My name is Origonalname. I will be updating and editing pages that need it. So, yeah. I'm awesome.
My only problem with this wiki is, that if you talk in a digussion, and some one says someting else, there is no way of knowing. So you have to go back to every single talk page to see if something has changed. That is REALLY annoying.

Talk:hremail 3184

Origonalname — Fri, 10 Jul 2009 20:56:31 GMT

Origonalname: /* Category */

{{talk}}

==Category==
Should we categorize this as a toon, Homestar Runner email, or Strong Bad email? Maybe as all three? {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 06:42, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

:Definitely Hremail and Sbemail. It's already on the Email list, and it has Hremail already in the title. {{User:Itama/sig}} 06:46, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

::It's listed as a sbemail on homestarrunner.com. We should go with that.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 06:58, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

::: It's important to note that on the main page, it's listed as "New Toon," but does have "HREMAIL" in the title AND shows up in the SBEMAIL list on Denny's Menu... so, in a strange twist of fate, it is regarded as all three? [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 14:15, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

:::: Also, on the toons page the tell-tale "HRE" blob makes it a definate hremail, and Denny's Menu calls it out as a sbemail, so it is, indeed, both. {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 01:23, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

That phrase Homestar says.. "Don't Call it a comeback"... isn't that an L.L. Cool J lyric?

Actually, this is more of a sbemail, because TBC has changed the "New Toon" bubble to "new strong bad email". [[User:SuperLuigi|SuperLuigi]] 14:10, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
:I always though that a Hremail ''is'' a toon. Hremails don't have there own button on the remote. But any way, lets look at the facts. The html says hremail. The main page says new sbemail. And in the Denny's Menu it says Hremail 3184. But in fun in the living room, the Hremail is only in the new stuff page. If you click on toons, it is nowhere, just like a sbemail. I think that on the new stuff page, it should say that it is a sbemail, because it is classified as such. What do you all think? [[User:origonalname]]

== Fun Fact? ==

Should we add a fun fact that in the commentary for [[email thunder]], Matt Chapman said that there would be no more emails? Or is it not important enough? {{User:Open Source Greg/sig}} 08:50, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== Easy Button? REALLY? ==

I was more reminded of those USB panic buttons and such, and TBH the 'easy button' isn't the only big red button out there. There's an excuse button, a bull**** button, an insult button, all kindsa buttons.
:I'm not trying to police the wiki, but I don't think you should use swear words, even on the talk pages. {{User:BubbleRevolution/sig}} 18:26, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::No, really, they sell a such thing as a button that says 'Bull****' when you press it. And it's common courtesy not to edit peoples' statements on talk pages, so I'd like it if you don't edit what I said, even if for censorship purposes, which I don't really support anyway. [[Special:Contributions/98.176.133.158|98.176.133.158]] 21:33, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Nobody cares what you don't support. Follow the rules, anonny. {{User:That Guy Over There/sig}} 05:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::::Please don't be hatin', peoples. If the curse word is removed per Wiki policy, then there's no need to continue the conversation. Back on the actual ''topic'' of this post, I think it looks really similar to the easy button, and is shown at a straight-on angle as in the commercials for whatever store (Office Max? Staples?). --{{User:Onamuji/sig}} 12:16, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::IMHO, it just looks like any other oversized red button. But whatever. [[Special:Contributions/98.176.133.158|98.176.133.158]] 13:29, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::The easy button came to mind first for me, but I think nonetheless it's rather TTATOT. {{User:That Guy Over There/sig}} 19:21, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::This is pretty cut and dried, guys. It resembles a Staples Easy Button almost to a T. The only difference is the font used for "dooj." --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|I slayed the Kerrek]]. Really. 03:46, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I think the staples easy button is certainly the most famous of big red buttons of this shape, if not the only one (as i haven't seen anything similar that wasn't a parody of the staples button already). {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 03:52, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

== Trivia ==

I send a email for Homestar

Dear Strong Bad
the sbemail 200 is your last email. [[User:Lucsar|Lucsar]] 11:26, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

:Uhhhhhhh... no kiddin'... {{User:Open Source Greg/sig}} 11:51, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

::I think we should close this discussion topic. [[User:MenacingBanjo|MenacingBanjo]] 16:43, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== Disc 7 ==

So, having made this email, this either means TBC will put this on Everything Else Vol. 4, or strongbad_email.exe Disc 7. And if it is the email DVD, then they will have to make at least 29 more. And then stopping at 230 would look untidy, so then they might make another 70 and release it as discs 8 and 9. But then they might want to take it up to at least an even 10... Hmmmmmmm... {{User:Open Source Greg/sig}} 11:55, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

:Or maybe they don't _have_ to make anything but rather just do stuff they like whenever they have an idea and the time. ;) If they should decide to end sbemails for good one day and happen to end them with an uneven number or too little content for a new DVD, they can do that. They could put them on a mixed DVD with "Everything Else" or just leave it at that and never sell them at all. Or they would find other options. Anyway, I think you get my point. ;) (It's me, Cass from Germany. Comp just logged me out.) --[[Special:Contributions/95.222.57.4|95.222.57.4]] 12:17, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

::Yeah, maybe that would have been better to put on the forum... {{User:Open Source Greg/sig}} 09:14, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== Beth-shiba? ==

Is Senor Cardgage saying, "Beth-shiba," as written in the transcript, or [[Wikipedia:Bathsheba|Bathsheba]]?
:I'm pretty sure it's "Beth", because this is Senor we're talking about. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:37, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::He pronounced it Bath. The vowel sound Senor makes is almost 100% clearly an A sound. [[User:MenacingBanjo|MenacingBanjo]] 13:33, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::: I agree it's "Bathsheba" [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 14:09, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Should that become a real-world reference with the Wikipedia link? --[[User:Rotanagol|Rotanagol]] 16:51, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::I tried, but it got removed as a "common name." I'm pretty sure it's not such in the US, at least outside of specific jewish communities, and even then I'd bet it's largely traceable to the Bathsheba refered to in the wiki link, but I'll let the wiki community decide, I guess. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.140.130|132.183.140.130]] 17:04, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::As for pronunciation, i'm neutral... it's could be a portmanteau between "beth" and "bathsheba", or just "bathsheba". that's not why i'm commenting. I'm commenting because it is certainly not a RWR, and probably isn't necessary as an explanation. I feel like it's a commonly enough KNOWN name, even if not many people HAVE it. But then again, i do come from one of those jewish-type communities the anonny mentioned, so i may have a bit of a skewed perception. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:51, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::I for one, have never heard of such a name and live in a major city. It probably would be useful to explain what this is, or at least provide a wiki link in the transcript itself rather than a RWR. -[[Special:Contributions/24.118.94.73|24.118.94.73]] 06:28, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I suspect it's not so much a regional thing as a background thing: people of certain backgrounds, including Deffy's, are likely to be familiar with the [[Wikipedia:Bible|book]] in question (I'm familiar with the name, too, in large part because I'm from [[Wikipedia:Christianity|another background]] that tends to be familiar with that book). Of course, just for cultural reasons, many Westerners with a non-religious background also have some knowledge of these things, and I'm not sure if this is obscure enough to need explaining or if doing so is too much explaining the joke. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 08:00, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Also, we never link in the transcript. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:27, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::I just created the real-world reference and removed it after finding this thread. I'm not saying it isn't a real world reference, and interestingly, when you do a search for bathsheba in wikipedia it links to the famous character in Judeo-Christian religion. I think Bathsheba is much more well known as a person than as a name, but that being said, it doesn't really illuminate much to put it as a rwr. [[Special:Contributions/71.92.222.251|71.92.222.251]]

== Moonwalking? ==

Is it just me, or does Senor Cardgage's walking in place look like a tribute to Michael Jackson's moonwalk move?

It's just you.--[[Special:Contributions/206.205.184.2|206.205.184.2]] 14:20, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

:Maybe if he had been walking backwards, but the way it was done, it seemed like it was just supposed to be some weird thing. [[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 14:27, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::That's what i thought of given recent events, but [[Best_Caper_Ever#Real-World_References|you can't really say they would do something like that]], can you? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 23:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== Lappy 486 and Paper 2.0: Rest In Peace==
They killed off Lappy the same way they killed of Tandy, I wonder what new computer will replace it. Perhaps Strong Bad and Homestar will answer an email together. [[User:MICGAGUH]]
:Sorry, but stuff like this really belongs on the forum. [[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 14:48, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== Kelly-usa? ==

This seems unlikely, but did anyone else think "Kelly-Usa" ("oosa") was a reference to Sailor Moon? There's a character named Chibi-Usa with the last part also pronounced "oosa." Being from a Japanese anime, it'd explain the "exotic lady from the Far East" comment. Reasons this is improbable: (1) -usa is not an honorific in Japan and was unique to the one character, making this reference pretty specific; (2) Chibi-Usa was a little girl, not an "exotic lady"; and (3) really, Sailor Moon?

If someone has an alternative explanation of SB's reaction, I'd like to see it.
:Actually, it's probably just an extention of the Homenadé joke made in [[Donut Unto Others]]. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 15:10, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== sbemail201 ==

Do you think this counts as sbemail201? Because if not, sbemail201.html will be the first official sbemail to not be located at "sbeamil{#}.html". {{User:The thing/sig}} 15:59, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, it counts (it's on the sbemail menu on the site), and [[flashback|no]], [[senior prom|it]] [[email thunder|won't]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:03, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:It counts, and it's not the first. [[senior prom]] was located at "kingpoptoon.html".
::There an echo in here? --[[User:Jay|''Jay'']] [[User:Jay|''Jay'']] [[User:Jay|''Jay'']] [[User:Jay|''Jay'']] 17:34, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:::speaking of echoes, when he says, "Dear Strong Bad Strong Bad Strong Bad Strong Bad", that echo has happened in at least one e-mail before. is this notable? incidentally, the file is kotpoptoon.html, not kingpoptoon, but w/e {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 21:24, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
::::and which email was it? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 23:09, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::that would be [[redesign]], although that one sounded natural, as opposed to strong bad just repeating his name quieter --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]] 05:42, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

== Name styles ==

This may need to be listed on the [[HRW:STYLES|manual of style]] or its talk page, but I just wanted to state somewhere that this toon should be referred to as [[hremail3184]] when listed as a Strong Bad Email and [[Hremail 3184]] when listed as a Hremail or when TBC list it as such. I think our usage to this point has been consistent with the guideline, but I figured it should at least be mentioned out loud. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:43, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:I was the one who originally moved the page from [[Hremail 3184]] to [[hremail3184]], and I wasn't sure if I should fix the pages listed in "What links here?" for the former article. I suppose that clears it up. [[User:Dalkaen|Dalkaen]] 04:29, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== scroll buttons ==

there is no scroll buttons song as of this sbemail

Yeah. We know. It's been stated on the page. {{User:BubbleRevolution/sig}} 18:26, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

:Hey, I did that! {{User:Open Source Greg/sig}} 09:17, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== takes, has, means... ==

So, at least three times in this email, the characters use the wrong word in a sentence. For example, SB says "I can't takes it no more", Coach Z says "... now I don't has to" and the Lappy asks, "does that means?" Are these mentionable? I think they are, in the same vein that "Be's careful" and "be's'ing mean..." were in previous emails... but how do we mention them in this email.... a little help? [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 21:40, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
:"This email contains several instances of [[Deliberately Poor English]]." --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:55, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

== Identical explosion marks? ==

I dunno if anyone else noticed, but the explosion mark at the end of this toon is the exact same vector shape that was used in the same spot back in 'virus', after Bubs shot the Compy.
:I did notice, but I wasn't sure if it was worth noting. {{User:That Guy Over There/sig}} 05:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

==32X Reference==

I did a basic edit about the Grilled mushrooms 32x reference, but since I'm new at this can some one perfect it?

==So popular lately==

Gas rings around explosions in pop culture probably started with the Star Wars Special Editions. Worth a Real World Reference?
:Unless you can make that "probably" into a "definitely", I'd say not. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:07, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, there are certainly earlier examples, notably in Star Treks II and VI, but the idea of adding a shock-wavey Saturn ring to make an explosion 'fancier' definitely starts with the SW SEs. Not that there's anything 'lately' about 1997, but SB probably doesn't have a DVD player yet. :)
:Meh, I think it's a bit [[TTATOT]]. {{User:That Guy Over There/sig}} 05:33, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::Actually, SB's reference itself is rather broad ranging. It's not as if he is referencing a single source of the Saturn ring explosions, but actually the trend of having them. As such, one or two notable mentions might be worth making.

==PONK!==
Anyone else notice the name of the beer Bubs was drinking?--[[User:Robotguy4|Robotguy4]] 05:17, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:It is clearly "PONK!" Point? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:57, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::I think [http://www.teamfortress.com/scoutupdate/energydrink.htm this] is his point. It really seems like it's a ''[[Wikipedia:Team Fortress 2|Team Fortress 2]]'' reference (right down to Bubs mimicking the Scout's constant "BONK" proclamations); I just haven't added it in because the relationship isn't absolutely obvious. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 15:08, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:::Since you pointed it out, it's pretty obvious, but before you said anything, I wouldn't have even known about it. That, in my book, is plenty good reason to add it.
::::It has nothing to do with how obvious or not obvious it is and everything to do with whether or not it's actually referring to the thing in question. I don't think there's enough of a similarity to connect the two. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:32, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::I disagree. There seems to be plenty of parallels. And as for whether it's "actually referring to the thing in question," since when are you or any of the users on this Wiki actually inside the mind of TBC that you can know for certain what's a deliberate reference and what's not? We can only make such assessments based on external evidence, such as comparable similarities.
::::::Well, that's why we (used to) have STUFF... but anyway, in all honesty, I'm thinking of just adding it in and seeing where things go from there. --[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 18:21, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Likely it will get removed immediately. The way to go about it is to use this talk thread, not just put it on the page and see what happens. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:38, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
::::::::If it's a valid fact, it shouldn't get removed. Anyway, I'm on the fence.. I can see arguments both ways. -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.135|128.103.10.135]] 23:29, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

==Other Info==

Is anyone planning on putting the writing from Strong Bad's newspaper and business card in the article? [[User:CloneWarrior|CloneWarrior]] 08:38, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:Bwees-ness card is a good idea, and we would all be grateful for the addition of it. Da NewsPapes, however, (and correct me if I'm wrong) says exactly the same thing it has in its other SB-on-da-toilet scenes, so it needs no transcription. --{{User:Onamuji/sig}} 12:07, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::Well, I checked the article for Candy Product, and the newspaper definitely has different text there. What other instances are there? [[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 00:22, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

== Speech Impediment ==

Is it me, or does Homestar's Speech Impediment is kinda missing at the beginning of the hremail?--{{User:Darkangel/sig}} 08:54, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== traffic ==

Do the sounds of traffic during Senor Cardgage's part sound like the traffic in his part during the FBI Warning on strongbad_email.exe Disc Six? -Logged Out Open Source Greg
:It sounds like it might be the same, but that's a note for [[Sound Effects]]. --{{User:Onamuji/sig}} 12:07, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== No Broken Lappy Menu? ==

I think this is the first sbemail where a computer explodes and there is no special menu for the broken computer, like after the tandy and the compy. I can't remember if those came in right away, or a few days later. [[User:Nynexman4464|Nynexman4464]] 14:48, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:I believe there's been a gap in between the destruction of the computer and the broken menu. The dates on [[virus]] and [[Broken Compy Menu]] back that up. It's probably done that way to avoid spoiling the surprise of the destruction. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:42, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== Magnificent Marzipan ==

* The Magnificent Marzipan is a nod to [[Wikipedia:Sensational_Sherri|Sensational Sherri]] and/or [[Wikipedia:Don_Muraco|The Magnificent Muraco]].

What evidence is there to support this claim aside from the alliteration? This seems extremely weak to me. {{User:That Guy Over There/sig}} 20:46, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:I agree. There are tons of alliterative titles like this. Without commentary confirmation, this is...augh! I don't wanna say it! TTATOT. --{{User:Onamuji/sig}} 00:00, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

== Already prepared to explode the lappy? ==

I put a fact on the page, but it got removed as unnotable, so I wanted to mention it here. Does no one else find it inconsistent that, although Strong Bad had just now (as of this email) been asked about explosions, he had bought the dooj button (in preparation of exploding the lappy) several weeks ago? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.140.130|132.183.140.130]] 22:49, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:I don't know about that, but I think a Remark should be made about the button not being plugged into the Lappy until SB points it out. [[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 23:18, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
::Well, it seems notable to me. Like all the <s>crap</s> very interesting fun facts that we put in. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 23:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
:::The way i see it, this email is basically SB telling about how he regularly splo's stuff up, at least as often as he breathes air molecules, so for him to plan to blow up the lappy even before recieving the question is VERY consistant with this email. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:26, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

== Ghost Lappy ==

The (demonic) shadow of Female Lappy in the explosion feels like a reference to the ghosts of the Tandy (Bad Graphics) and Compy (skeleton), but I'm not sure how (or if) to put this into an Inside Reference or Remark. Thoughts? {{User:Itama/sig}} 00:16, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:Remarks, that's where I think you should put it. [[User:MICGAGUH]]
::No, you should put it in Inside References. --[[User:Particleman24|Particleman24]] 22:43, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

== Usa, Japan ==

<blockquote>* Strong Bad's remark that Kelly-Usa sounds exotic is a reference to the [http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/usa.asp urban legend] about Japan renaming a town Usa.</blockquote>

This doesn't seem quite right to me. In this case he is interpreting Usa as Kelly's last name, and I don't think it really stands on it's own as a reference specifically to that urban legend. The only thing that stopped me from removing it is the fact that they have referred to the urban legend before, and somewhat recently, but even that relies on either being a close follower of the TBC's work or making a priori connections in order to be considered a reference to the urban legend in my mind. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 12:52, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:I really don't think this enough for a reference, because 1)I don't think they'd reference an urban legend TWICE within about two months, and 2)It's just SB pronouncing an abbreviation as a word. 3)He doesn't even mention Japan. The word "usa" would probably not be enough for a reference alone. Just my opinion. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 13:02, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
:I disagree with both of you. It is a fairly commonly known urban legend, and I see no reason to suppose that TBC wouldn't be referencing it. Otherwise, we have to ask the question: why would SB call attention to it unless there was some sort of humorous connection to be made, apart from the mere sound of the word?
::Because the "humorous connection" was the fact that he read Usa as her last name instead of her country. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 07:01, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

== 32x Reference? ==

When strongbad introduces the chili dog, the grilled mushrooms logo says 32x. I think this is a reference to the 32x add-on for the Sega genesis, as well as the fact that its somewhat shaped like a mushroom.

==Paper 2.0 in Cast?==

I started to think that the Paper 2.0 should be mentioned in the cast section, but I'm not sure if that can be counted here. Thoughts?
:Well, we don't know what paper it was, and either way, we don't list the Paper (or any pseudocharacter) in the cast under normal circumstances anyway. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:14, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
A separate question, I see many times mentioned that we don't know it was New Paper. Why not? Don't we know that the (old) Paper got burned up by a spark from Homestar's Computer when SB poured the MD on it? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.86|132.183.138.86]] 21:10, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
However, the old paper did return in Sb_mail 200, and it was previously burned, so it is possible that it could come back from the dead...
That, or since it "trancends time and space" it could have time travelled some how...--[[User:Robotguy4|Robotguy4]] 07:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

== I can't BELIEVE nobody picked this up. ==

Strong Sad's scene with the Pop Tart is a dual reference. It just SCREAMS [[Wikipedia:James Bond]] and [[Wikipedia: Die Hard With a Vengeance]]
:I can see what you mean. If you're able to word it understandably, feel free to add it to references. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.86|132.183.138.86]] 21:11, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
::Why is no one doing it yet? --[[Special:Contributions/69.19.14.29|69.19.14.29]] 02:31, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

== Possible Popeye reference? ==

Anyone else think that part of Strongbad's opening line "I can't takes it no mores!" is a reference to Popeye, who frequently said "I've all I can stands, and I can't stands no mores!"?
:It's reminiscent, but not concrete enough to be notable, I think. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.162|132.183.138.162]] 17:24, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

== Place ya bets! ==

What do you think Strongbad's new computer will be like? What about his new paper?--[[User:Metaphoricallycrazy|M.Crazy]] | [[User talk:Metaphoricallycrazy|Talk]] 17:53, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
:I think it will be like something that would be better discussed at the forum. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:37, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

== Can I fight them instead? ==

Is there any signifgence about Andy Kaufman (the half women/half man champion) that would make Strong Sad say this line? Like, he could be saying he thinks Andy is weak. Or is it just a regular whiny quip? I ask this so I can put it in the real-world reference. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 19:02, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

== Rake ==

It should be noted that the rake that Strongbad hits Homestar with isn't the same rake that Gardenboy holds in the sbemail "Yes, Wrestling".

Talk:Cheat Commandos: 2 Part Episode: Part 1

Origonalname — Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:14:26 GMT

Origonalname: /* Flash file deleted? */

==Doppel or Toppel==
The transcript uses the actual word doppelganger, while the inside reference is to the Toppelgangers. Is the transcript wromg? -[[Special:Contributions/173.3.112.55|173.3.112.55]] 13:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:I thought it sounded like "toppleganger" when I was transcribing it, but I'd forgotten about [[The Topplegangers]], so I figured I was just mishearing. But I wasn't, Toppleganger is right, and I've already fixed the transcript as soon as I saw the inside ref. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 13:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== Get back to work, guys. ==

I think Reynolds brother says "Get back to work, Charles." and don't we already know that Charles is Gunhaver's first name from [[let us give tanks]]? [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 14:06, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

: I've listened to it several times, and I believe this is true. I'm gonna change it. It also makes makes sense since Crackotage and Silent Rip are actually working [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 14:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Sounds reasonable to me. Listening again, I hear "Charles" too. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 14:13, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== Does this mean... ==
...that next week there is gonna be another Cheat Commando's? [[User:MICGAGUH]]
: Given the [[retirement|last time]] we had a two-part toon? Might be tomorrow. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:41, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== white screen ==

<blockquote>A decompiler, a Flash Seek Bookmarklet, or the Greasemonkey script reveals a white screen before the TV Easter egg can be accessed.</blockquote>

I removed this from the ''Easter Eggs'' section, because that's certainly not the right place for it. I considered placing it elsewhere on the page, but decided not to because it doesn't seem that notable. The [[HRWiki:Standards]] as I interpret them, seems we don't mention such things unless they are clearly meant to be discovered and/or add something relevant to the cartoon (E.g. [[:Image:Dodongo.png|"Nice try, dodongo"]] and [[:Image:By strong bab age 5.PNG|—by Strong Bab]]). Just thought I'd mention my rationale here, if others feel that it really deserves a mention in the article, I don't have a strong opinion against that. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 19:56, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

:Definitely notable, but seemingly unintentional. Seems like a goof or a remark to me. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
::Things like this have been remarked before, such as the [[mile|dancing feet]] or the extra frames in [[Not the 100th Email!!!|Not the Hundredth E-mail]]. -[[User:MNGoldenEagle|MNGoldenEagle]] 21:34, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== Doorbell ==

Does anyone know the name of the "ditty" that the doorbell plays? I know that it is commonly used to depict a ringing doorbell, but I don't want to add it to the real-world references section without knowing the name. [[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 21:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

:See [[wikipedia:Westminster Quarters]] (added a note under Remarks). {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 22:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

:: Why isn't this considered a Real-World Ref? [[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 22:34, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

:::In my opinion, it belongs under Explanations because it's not referring to any specific clock (or doorbell). That tune is ''very'' commonly used for clocks and doorbells. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 22:38, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

::::But look at [[Donut Unto Others]]. A common tune was used in that toon as well, and that was put in Real World Refs. [[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 22:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Yeah guys, that doorbell was totally awesome! It sounds familiar though. [[User:Fingerface|Fingerface]] 23:54, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== With a vengeance ==

The credits say this show was "written with a vengeance by A.Chimendez". We already know he and Crack Stuntman have creative differences and that Gunhaver was nearly written off the show because of it. Now, in this episode, Gunhaver is fired. Am I on to something? [[User:TJDevil02|TJDevil02]] 02:51, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

== All Ashore ==

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiral Admiral] is the highest rank in a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy naval force], which makes it interesting that Flashfight takes charge of the Cheat Commandos, considering they're mostly ground-based forces.

Is this worth pointing out somewhere? --[[User:President Cold One|President Cold One]] 09:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

: For shore (please don't make fun of that pun). --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 10:40, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

::All of the contents of this cartoon suggest that the Cheat Commandos are administered by BE(E)FF, which is probably an international organization. The fact that Admiral Flashfight and Fightgar both seem to be British and Ripberger has an accent would jive with this, too. And, such an international organization could involve a collaboration among various armed services (Flashfight coming from a Navy, Crackotage coming from an Air Force?). Meh? [[User:Durniel|Durniel]] 06:55, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== 3 for 1 ==

The Cheat Commandos ththeme song goes "Cheat Commandos, maybe fighting for freedom, and each is sold separately. Cheat Commandos, they're probably battling evil. Buy all our playsets and toys!"
Is it notable that Green Helmts are 3-for-11, but their theme song says "each is sold separately." [[User:TheFunmachine|TheFunmachine]] 11:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:I think it's notable that although the Green Helmets are part of a "discount three pack", they cost the same as any other CCdo. Although, come to think of it, three for the price of one is a bargain. {{User:Neox/sig}} 16:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Don't forget, that the Green Helmet is analogous to a redshirt on the original Star Trek (i.e. expendable), so, naturally they'd be cheaper. [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 18:13, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Opps! Sorry. I meant 3 for 1, as in them not being sold separately, where the theme song says "each is sold separately" However, but they're Green Helmets, so maybe they're not like the rest. [[User:TheFunmachine|TheFunmachine]] 11:33, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Gasp! ==

For some reason, I can only hear Fightgar gasping during the scene when Flashfight fires people. Anyone else? -[[Special:Contributions/76.119.99.198|76.119.99.198]]

== Section? ==

I honestly don't know what section this one belongs in, but...
During the scene where Gunhaver, Silent Rip, and Crackotage are talking outside the headquarters, Gunhaver's face can be seen painted on the door, along with a word bubble reading, "Rock, rock on!"
... Actually, is this even notable enough to be put in?
:The best place for this information is in the transcript itself. Why not go ahead and add it there? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

== Extra Melty? ==

Isn't that a reference to the Meltymens? [[User:DJmankiewicz|DJmankiewicz]] 13:21, 2 June 2009 (CST)
: Meaning the fan stuff thing? Granted there are three of them in that, too, but I think this is more likely just a reference to practice of melting action figures like G. I. Joes. Probably not a deliberate connection. [[User:Durniel|Durniel]] 19:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:: I think is's a reference to [[8-Bit is Enough]] where Strong Bad comments that he thinks the Topplegangers would be "Real Melty". [[User:VmKid|VmKid]] 02:16, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== Oh yeah! Them. ==

I beleive the way Crackotage goes into great detail about the Topplegangers refers to the way many cartoons introduce recurring characters to new audiences or to make a new character(s) seem old: way drawn out and pointlessly explanatory. Example:

*'''Itchy''' : Hey look Scratchy, its our old friend, Poochy!

*'''Scratchy''': What's his name? I forgot.

*'''Poochie''': {does a rap about himself}

source: The Simpsons: The Itchy and Scratchy and Poochy Show.

See what I mean? I just don't know how to word this so it makes sense in the article. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 23:21, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

:Well, exposition has to happen to some degree in ''all'' fiction, and there are only so many ways to do it. I don't see how this case is a reference to any other instance of it. It doesn't really even seem to be poking fun at the sometimes-ridiculous expository dumps that happen pretty often in serial cartoons / sitcoms / etc. It's just TBC using a little humorous dialog as a way of legitimately needed exposition for us, much the same way any other fiction would. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 23:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Right-Click Menu ==

You can rewind!!!!! GASP! {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 15:06, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah... You can do that in all of the flash files. It's nothing, really. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 15:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::I meant on the actual site page, not the SWF file itself. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 19:23, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

== g focrei s same execpt for the bad resturant deal ==

Homestar saying hamsters instend of chat is Disney movie G-Force
:You're saying that Homestar confusing the words "cheat" and "hamster" is from the Disney movie G-Force? Well, I've never seen the movie (and even if I had, I wouldn't remember one line), but feel free to add it! {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 23:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== Crackotage NOT Rhyming? ==

Did anyone else notice how at the end of the toon, Crackotage doesn't even pretend to rhyme? I mean, even in Commandos in the Classroom, he still talked with a funny rhythm like he normally does, but here he actually speaks normally every scene after they're kicked out of the Cheat Commandos.--[[Special:Contributions/76.197.56.155|76.197.56.155]] 06:29, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Hmm, you're right, but I'm not sure it's noteworthy. Is rhyming, like, part of his job?? I don't know. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:56, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:: I sar that too. I've never seen that guy not rhyming.

== Homestar's Brim ==
Is it just me, or does the brim of Homestar's hat in the easter egg look odd? [[User:Man-o-man|Man-o-man]] 17:45, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== Flash file deleted? ==

I tried to watch this 'toon, but it just showed a white square and the navigation bar under it. When I tried to go to the flash file, it just led me to the "404'd" page. Did TBC delete the flash file? I'm pretty sure that this isn't because of my computer because when I went to [[2 Part Episode: Part 2]], it showed the 'toon. --[[User:Particleman24|Particleman24]] 00:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:It's not just your computer. It's not loading for me either, and 404'd for the Flash File. Does this mean that they're going to combine the episodes? I dunno. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 00:10, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::Seriously, what's going on? Should I add this to the page? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 00:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::It's working fine for me. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 00:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Both the flash file AND the normal toon? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 00:54, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's working for me, too. Both the Flash file and the normal toon (which are the ''same'' .swf) load properly. — {{User:Fotoshop/sig}} 01:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::No, I'm having the same problem, even after clearing my cache and trying two different browsers. For those of you where it does work, try clearing your cache and let us know if it still works. --[[User:Spiralagnus|Spiralagnus]] 01:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm not seeing it on my work computer, but my work computer sometimes has the funniest things happen concerning H*R. It would almost certainly be more meaningful to test on my home computer... when I get home. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, it's the next day (For me) and it still isn't working. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 11:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

It works fine for me. [[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 16:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
: And on my home machine. Maybe some ISPs having trouble? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:38, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::That's probably it. Strange, though... {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 17:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

:::I'm trying to watch this toon, but the sites not working. go try it real fast and tell me.

::::Me neither [[Special:Contributions/98.243.177.127|98.243.177.127]] 06:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

It has been [[Talk:Quote_of_the_Week#Quote_download|theorized before]] that the H*R site is hosted on multiple servers, with a load balancer to distribute between them. I think this is a pretty likely theory, and if the file was for some reason removed from one of the servers but not the other(s), that would explain why it randomly works for some people but not others. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 13:53, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Should there be a mirror? [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 15:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:I just wanted to let you other users know that it is working fine on my computer (a MacBook Air). {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 17:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Thank you, knowing that you paid too much for a terrible laptop lets me know that I can disregard your opinion. [[Special:Contributions/68.18.3.42|68.18.3.42]] 15:44, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Yes, add a mirror. I don't know why it works for YOU, but it seems definitely down. I got bupkis. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC) '''Update''' It is definitely removed. I viewed the source, and it came up flat. Just a bunch of non-flash coding. It was actually a code for a blank background. Maybe it got De-le-ted. [[User:Jellote]], again.
:::::Does it like only work with macs? One of my computers has windows xp, and won't work. The other has Ubuntu, and still won't work. Does anyone have a mac and it doesn't work? [[User:origonalname112]]
::::::I have Windows and it works fine, so that can't be it.[[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 21:13, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I just shot an e-mail to the Brothers Chaps explaining the problem, including screenshots and a link to this discussion. Hopefully, the problem will be resolved as soon as they can get to it. In the meantime, thanks to whomever set up the mirror. --[[User:Spiralagnus|Spiralagnus]] 01:05, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

== Blue Laser, A DAD? ==

In the second easter egg with the Blue Laser minions
BLUE LASER MINION 1: You think '''dad''' just forgot to pick us up?

BLUE LASER MINION 2: You know he doesn't like it when we call him that.

Do you think that It's true?
:I think we report what is said, and don't speculate. There's a whole forum where they love this sort of speculation though. Why not try there? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 14:13, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

I have the exact opposite oppinion. I think that the egg denies the rumors he is. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 14:29, 25 June 2009 (UTC).
:I think it's relevant to address the question here, as if the egg implied he actually was a father, we'd want to at least note it on BLC's page. However, I don't think there's anything in the egg definitive enough to make that conclusion (and I agree with Jellote that it leads more credence to the opposite). -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.135|128.103.10.135]] 15:31, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Cheat Commandos: 2 Part Episode: Part 2

Origonalname — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 19:46:03 GMT

Origonalname: /* The Trouble with Topples */

== Holy Crap Language! ==
The clearly say the "d" word in the ramming song. Or so I heard. Is that a swear count? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 21:10, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:He says "Dang". See the page title. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 21:11, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== Rag Tag Band? ==

I heard him say "Ragtime band" as if.. to make a pun joke.
:Me too! Cause, you know, it's funny. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 14:39, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:: I heard ragtag, which makes more sense describing them. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 22:10, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
== Donnie's 12th Birthday ==

Is it a reference to [[Donnie Chapman]]? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 00:33, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
: That's what whoever wrote one of the Fun Facts that's been on the page for a while seems to think. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:00, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== Liquid/Lick ==

I head Swampslash's last battery line as "Lick" rather than "Liquid"
Refering to people licking batteries just to see if it does shock your tongue. {{User:Khsh/sig}} 01:14, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
: Lick. Definitely "lick". --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 22:10, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
== Braveheart? ==

"And then we all reverse flank, drop trou, and the insurgents should surrender!" isnt this a reffrence to braveheart?
:Hm—maybe (though it's notable that in Braveheart it's the insurgents who ''do'' the mooning). I was wondering whether it had something to do with Gunhaver's boxers—I still don't understand that. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 14:48, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== Swampslash imitating Homestar? ==

When Swampslash is disguised as the D-cell battery and he's saying words like, "Charge. Rabbit." - isn't he imitating Homestar in the sbemail where he's disguised as a trash can and saying, "Garbage. Rubbish." ... ? Just a thought.
*That's mentioned as a [[bike thief]] Inside Reference already. --[[User:TimMierz|TimMierz]] 15:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== The Trouble with Topples ==

Does it seem to anyone else that Subtlefuge refers to his group with a "Tr-" sound? As in Troublegangers? (Though his pronunciation still makes it sound like "Trouplegangers.") —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 14:53, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
: I think he does say Troublegangers. Weird. It may be due to their status as mercenarioes, but then we get into speculutions. I think we should have that in the transcript for that one line. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 22:10, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::It's the microphone that Matt uses. If you play close attention, there is noticable fuzz on the "ch", "s", and "t" syllables. He's saying Topplegangers. --[[User:F Minus|F Minus]] 03:34, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
:::Crackotach (spelled that wrong) definatly says topple. I don't know why the guy would say troublegangers, after they were called topplegangers.

== Boxers? ==

Gunhaver says he's been wearing those boxers for the past three days, but he DOESN'T WEAR PANTS. Is this noteworthy? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 18:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== Reinforcements/Reinforcement ==

The transcript says "Reinforcements" instead of "Reinforcement", even though their is only one. Is it supposed to be plural, or not? [[User:SuperLuigi|SuperLuigi]] 23:59, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:Actually, the CHARACTER is NAMED Reinforcements. Why? Because it's funny. Like, they say: "Reinforcements arrive", and the character named Reinforcements shows up. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 00:17, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
::It's exactly as Free says. As seen in [[Cheat Commandos (toon)|Cheat Commandos]]:

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{as Silent Rip}'' We're outnumbered! We need Reinforcements!

'''COACH Z:''' ''{as Reinforcements}'' Did somebody say my name?

'''STRONG BAD''' and '''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{as Firebert and Silent Rip}'' Reinforcements!

::There's only one there too. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:28, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

== Silence of the Lambs ==
I tried editing this, but it was reversed. Lecter wasn't the one who wore people's skin as clothes. He was a cannibal. The character was "Buffalo Bill" that did the skin wearing. One could also make the case that it's based off "Leatherface" from "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" who did the same thing
== Shankle ==
Ramming obviously means "to plow into", but "shank" means over here "to stab". Therefore, the ramshankle means "burst and stab". Should we note what "shank" means, as it seems regional (Northesatern).--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 22:10, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:I never noticed either of those parts. I just took it as the more-obvious play on "ramshackle". --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:14, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

== Ramshankle = Thunder Machine? ==
The nature of the Ramshankle vehicle, specifically the fact that it's "made out of old vehicles that we couldn't sell", is probably a reference to the Dreadnok Thunder Machine, which was said to be made up of parts from various Cobra vehicles, a stolen jet engine, and the front end of a Trans Am.

Talk:Cheat Commandos: 2 Part Episode: Part 1

Origonalname — Sun, 14 Jun 2009 19:42:31 GMT

Origonalname: /* Flash file deleted? */

==Doppel or Toppel==
The transcript uses the actual word doppelganger, while the inside reference is to the Toppelgangers. Is the transcript wromg? -[[Special:Contributions/173.3.112.55|173.3.112.55]] 13:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:I thought it sounded like "toppleganger" when I was transcribing it, but I'd forgotten about [[The Topplegangers]], so I figured I was just mishearing. But I wasn't, Toppleganger is right, and I've already fixed the transcript as soon as I saw the inside ref. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 13:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== Get back to work, guys. ==

I think Reynolds brother says "Get back to work, Charles." and don't we already know that Charles is Gunhaver's first name from [[let us give tanks]]? [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 14:06, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

: I've listened to it several times, and I believe this is true. I'm gonna change it. It also makes makes sense since Crackotage and Silent Rip are actually working [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 14:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Sounds reasonable to me. Listening again, I hear "Charles" too. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 14:13, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== Does this mean... ==
...that next week there is gonna be another Cheat Commando's? [[User:MICGAGUH]]
: Given the [[retirement|last time]] we had a two-part toon? Might be tomorrow. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:41, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== white screen ==

<blockquote>A decompiler, a Flash Seek Bookmarklet, or the Greasemonkey script reveals a white screen before the TV Easter egg can be accessed.</blockquote>

I removed this from the ''Easter Eggs'' section, because that's certainly not the right place for it. I considered placing it elsewhere on the page, but decided not to because it doesn't seem that notable. The [[HRWiki:Standards]] as I interpret them, seems we don't mention such things unless they are clearly meant to be discovered and/or add something relevant to the cartoon (E.g. [[:Image:Dodongo.png|"Nice try, dodongo"]] and [[:Image:By strong bab age 5.PNG|—by Strong Bab]]). Just thought I'd mention my rationale here, if others feel that it really deserves a mention in the article, I don't have a strong opinion against that. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 19:56, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

:Definitely notable, but seemingly unintentional. Seems like a goof or a remark to me. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
::Things like this have been remarked before, such as the [[mile|dancing feet]] or the extra frames in [[Not the 100th Email!!!|Not the Hundredth E-mail]]. -[[User:MNGoldenEagle|MNGoldenEagle]] 21:34, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== Doorbell ==

Does anyone know the name of the "ditty" that the doorbell plays? I know that it is commonly used to depict a ringing doorbell, but I don't want to add it to the real-world references section without knowing the name. [[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 21:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

:See [[wikipedia:Westminster Quarters]] (added a note under Remarks). {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 22:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

:: Why isn't this considered a Real-World Ref? [[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 22:34, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

:::In my opinion, it belongs under Explanations because it's not referring to any specific clock (or doorbell). That tune is ''very'' commonly used for clocks and doorbells. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 22:38, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

::::But look at [[Donut Unto Others]]. A common tune was used in that toon as well, and that was put in Real World Refs. [[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 22:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Yeah guys, that doorbell was totally awesome! It sounds familiar though. [[User:Fingerface|Fingerface]] 23:54, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== With a vengeance ==

The credits say this show was "written with a vengeance by A.Chimendez". We already know he and Crack Stuntman have creative differences and that Gunhaver was nearly written off the show because of it. Now, in this episode, Gunhaver is fired. Am I on to something? [[User:TJDevil02|TJDevil02]] 02:51, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

== All Ashore ==

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiral Admiral] is the highest rank in a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy naval force], which makes it interesting that Flashfight takes charge of the Cheat Commandos, considering they're mostly ground-based forces.

Is this worth pointing out somewhere? --[[User:President Cold One|President Cold One]] 09:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

: For shore (please don't make fun of that pun). --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 10:40, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

::All of the contents of this cartoon suggest that the Cheat Commandos are administered by BE(E)FF, which is probably an international organization. The fact that Admiral Flashfight and Fightgar both seem to be British and Ripberger has an accent would jive with this, too. And, such an international organization could involve a collaboration among various armed services (Flashfight coming from a Navy, Crackotage coming from an Air Force?). Meh? [[User:Durniel|Durniel]] 06:55, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== 3 for 1 ==

The Cheat Commandos ththeme song goes "Cheat Commandos, maybe fighting for freedom, and each is sold separately. Cheat Commandos, they're probably battling evil. Buy all our playsets and toys!"
Is it notable that Green Helmts are 3-for-11, but their theme song says "each is sold separately." [[User:TheFunmachine|TheFunmachine]] 11:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:I think it's notable that although the Green Helmets are part of a "discount three pack", they cost the same as any other CCdo. Although, come to think of it, three for the price of one is a bargain. {{User:Neox/sig}} 16:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Don't forget, that the Green Helmet is analogous to a redshirt on the original Star Trek (i.e. expendable), so, naturally they'd be cheaper. [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 18:13, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Opps! Sorry. I meant 3 for 1, as in them not being sold separately, where the theme song says "each is sold separately" However, but they're Green Helmets, so maybe they're not like the rest. [[User:TheFunmachine|TheFunmachine]] 11:33, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Gasp! ==

For some reason, I can only hear Fightgar gasping during the scene when Flashfight fires people. Anyone else? -[[Special:Contributions/76.119.99.198|76.119.99.198]]

== Section? ==

I honestly don't know what section this one belongs in, but...
During the scene where Gunhaver, Silent Rip, and Crackotage are talking outside the headquarters, Gunhaver's face can be seen painted on the door, along with a word bubble reading, "Rock, rock on!"
... Actually, is this even notable enough to be put in?
:The best place for this information is in the transcript itself. Why not go ahead and add it there? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

== Extra Melty? ==

Isn't that a reference to the Meltymens? [[User:DJmankiewicz|DJmankiewicz]] 13:21, 2 June 2009 (CST)
: Meaning the fan stuff thing? Granted there are three of them in that, too, but I think this is more likely just a reference to practice of melting action figures like G. I. Joes. Probably not a deliberate connection. [[User:Durniel|Durniel]] 19:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:: I think is's a reference to [[8-Bit is Enough]] where Strong Bad comments that he thinks the Topplegangers would be "Real Melty". [[User:VmKid|VmKid]] 02:16, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== Oh yeah! Them. ==

I beleive the way Crackotage goes into great detail about the Topplegangers refers to the way many cartoons introduce recurring characters to new audiences or to make a new character(s) seem old: way drawn out and pointlessly explanatory. Example:

*'''Itchy''' : Hey look Scratchy, its our old friend, Poochy!

*'''Scratchy''': What's his name? I forgot.

*'''Poochie''': {does a rap about himself}

source: The Simpsons: The Itchy and Scratchy and Poochy Show.

See what I mean? I just don't know how to word this so it makes sense in the article. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 23:21, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

:Well, exposition has to happen to some degree in ''all'' fiction, and there are only so many ways to do it. I don't see how this case is a reference to any other instance of it. It doesn't really even seem to be poking fun at the sometimes-ridiculous expository dumps that happen pretty often in serial cartoons / sitcoms / etc. It's just TBC using a little humorous dialog as a way of legitimately needed exposition for us, much the same way any other fiction would. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 23:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Right-Click Menu ==

You can rewind!!!!! GASP! {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 15:06, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah... You can do that in all of the flash files. It's nothing, really. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 15:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
::I meant on the actual site page, not the SWF file itself. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 19:23, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

== g focrei s same execpt for the bad resturant deal ==

Homestar saying hamsters instend of chat is Disney movie G-Force
:You're saying that Homestar confusing the words "cheat" and "hamster" is from the Disney movie G-Force? Well, I've never seen the movie (and even if I had, I wouldn't remember one line), but feel free to add it! {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 23:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== Crackotage NOT Rhyming? ==

Did anyone else notice how at the end of the toon, Crackotage doesn't even pretend to rhyme? I mean, even in Commandos in the Classroom, he still talked with a funny rhythm like he normally does, but here he actually speaks normally every scene after they're kicked out of the Cheat Commandos.--[[Special:Contributions/76.197.56.155|76.197.56.155]] 06:29, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Hmm, you're right, but I'm not sure it's noteworthy. Is rhyming, like, part of his job?? I don't know. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:56, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:: I sar that too. I've never seen that guy not rhyming.

== Homestar's Brim ==
Is it just me, or does the brim of Homestar's hat in the easter egg look odd? [[User:Man-o-man|Man-o-man]] 17:45, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== Flash file deleted? ==

I tried to watch this 'toon, but it just showed a white square and the navigation bar under it. When I tried to go to the flash file, it just led me to the "404'd" page. Did TBC delete the flash file? I'm pretty sure that this isn't because of my computer because when I went to [[2 Part Episode: Part 2]], it showed the 'toon. --[[User:Particleman24|Particleman24]] 00:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:It's not just your computer. It's not loading for me either, and 404'd for the Flash File. Does this mean that they're going to combine the episodes? I dunno. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 00:10, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::Seriously, what's going on? Should I add this to the page? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 00:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::It's working fine for me. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 00:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Both the flash file AND the normal toon? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 00:54, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's working for me, too. Both the Flash file and the normal toon (which are the ''same'' .swf) load properly. — {{User:Fotoshop/sig}} 01:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::No, I'm having the same problem, even after clearing my cache and trying two different browsers. For those of you where it does work, try clearing your cache and let us know if it still works. --[[User:Spiralagnus|Spiralagnus]] 01:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm not seeing it on my work computer, but my work computer sometimes has the funniest things happen concerning H*R. It would almost certainly be more meaningful to test on my home computer... when I get home. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, it's the next day (For me) and it still isn't working. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 11:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

It works fine for me. [[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 16:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
: And on my home machine. Maybe some ISPs having trouble? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:38, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::That's probably it. Strange, though... {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 17:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

:::I'm trying to watch this toon, but the sites not working. go try it real fast and tell me.

::::Me neither [[Special:Contributions/98.243.177.127|98.243.177.127]] 06:51, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

It has been [[Talk:Quote_of_the_Week#Quote_download|theorized before]] that the H*R site is hosted on multiple servers, with a load balancer to distribute between them. I think this is a pretty likely theory, and if the file was for some reason removed from one of the servers but not the other(s), that would explain why it randomly works for some people but not others. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 13:53, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Should there be a mirror? [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 15:19, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
:I just wanted to let you other users know that it is working fine on my computer (a MacBook Air). {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 17:07, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Thank you, knowing that you paid too much for a terrible laptop lets me know that I can disregard your opinion. [[Special:Contributions/68.18.3.42|68.18.3.42]] 15:44, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Yes, add a mirror. I don't know why it works for YOU, but it seems definitely down. I got bupkis. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:53, 11 June 2009 (UTC) '''Update''' It is definitely removed. I viewed the source, and it came up flat. Just a bunch of non-flash coding. It was actually a code for a blank background. Maybe it got De-le-ted. [[User:Jellote]], again.
:::::Does it like only work with macs? one of mycomputers has windows xp, and won't work. the other has Ubuntu, and still won't work. does anyone have a mac and it doesn't work?

Talk:Cheat Commandos: 2 Part Episode: Part 1

Origonalname — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:38:20 GMT

Origonalname: /* Crackotage NOT Rhyming? */

==Doppel or Toppel==
The transcript uses the actual word doppelganger, while the inside reference is to the Toppelgangers. Is the transcript wromg? -[[Special:Contributions/173.3.112.55|173.3.112.55]] 13:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:I thought it sounded like "toppleganger" when I was transcribing it, but I'd forgotten about [[The Topplegangers]], so I figured I was just mishearing. But I wasn't, Toppleganger is right, and I've already fixed the transcript as soon as I saw the inside ref. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 13:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== Get back to work, guys. ==

I think Reynolds brother says "Get back to work, Charles." and don't we already know that Charles is Gunhaver's first name from [[let us give tanks]]? [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 14:06, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

: I've listened to it several times, and I believe this is true. I'm gonna change it. It also makes makes sense since Crackotage and Silent Rip are actually working [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 14:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Sounds reasonable to me. Listening again, I hear "Charles" too. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 14:13, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== Does this mean... ==
...that next week there is gonna be another Cheat Commando's? [[User:MICGAGUH]]
: Given the [[retirement|last time]] we had a two-part toon? Might be tomorrow. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:41, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== white screen ==

<blockquote>A decompiler, a Flash Seek Bookmarklet, or the Greasemonkey script reveals a white screen before the TV Easter egg can be accessed.</blockquote>

I removed this from the ''Easter Eggs'' section, because that's certainly not the right place for it. I considered placing it elsewhere on the page, but decided not to because it doesn't seem that notable. The [[HRWiki:Standards]] as I interpret them, seems we don't mention such things unless they are clearly meant to be discovered and/or add something relevant to the cartoon (E.g. [[:Image:Dodongo.png|"Nice try, dodongo"]] and [[:Image:By strong bab age 5.PNG|—by Strong Bab]]). Just thought I'd mention my rationale here, if others feel that it really deserves a mention in the article, I don't have a strong opinion against that. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 19:56, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

:Definitely notable, but seemingly unintentional. Seems like a goof or a remark to me. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
::Things like this have been remarked before, such as the [[mile|dancing feet]] or the extra frames in [[Not the 100th Email!!!|Not the Hundredth E-mail]]. -[[User:MNGoldenEagle|MNGoldenEagle]] 21:34, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== Doorbell ==

Does anyone know the name of the "ditty" that the doorbell plays? I know that it is commonly used to depict a ringing doorbell, but I don't want to add it to the real-world references section without knowing the name. [[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 21:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

:See [[wikipedia:Westminster Quarters]] (added a note under Remarks). {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 22:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

:: Why isn't this considered a Real-World Ref? [[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 22:34, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

:::In my opinion, it belongs under Explanations because it's not referring to any specific clock (or doorbell). That tune is ''very'' commonly used for clocks and doorbells. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 22:38, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

::::But look at [[Donut Unto Others]]. A common tune was used in that toon as well, and that was put in Real World Refs. [[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 22:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Yeah guys, that doorbell was totally awesome! It sounds familiar though. [[User:Fingerface|Fingerface]] 23:54, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== With a vengeance ==

The credits say this show was "written with a vengeance by A.Chimendez". We already know he and Crack Stuntman have creative differences and that Gunhaver was nearly written off the show because of it. Now, in this episode, Gunhaver is fired. Am I on to something? [[User:TJDevil02|TJDevil02]] 02:51, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

== All Ashore ==

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiral Admiral] is the highest rank in a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy naval force], which makes it interesting that Flashfight takes charge of the Cheat Commandos, considering they're mostly ground-based forces.

Is this worth pointing out somewhere? --[[User:President Cold One|President Cold One]] 09:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

: For shore (please don't make fun of that pun). --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 10:40, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

::All of the contents of this cartoon suggest that the Cheat Commandos are administered by BE(E)FF, which is probably an international organization. The fact that Admiral Flashfight and Fightgar both seem to be British and Ripberger has an accent would jive with this, too. And, such an international organization could involve a collaboration among various armed services (Flashfight coming from a Navy, Crackotage coming from an Air Force?). Meh? [[User:Durniel|Durniel]] 06:55, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== 3 for 1 ==

The Cheat Commandos ththeme song goes "Cheat Commandos, maybe fighting for freedom, and each is sold separately. Cheat Commandos, they're probably battling evil. Buy all our playsets and toys!"
Is it notable that Green Helmts are 3-for-11, but their theme song says "each is sold separately." [[User:TheFunmachine|TheFunmachine]] 11:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:I think it's notable that although the Green Helmets are part of a "discount three pack", they cost the same as any other CCdo. Although, come to think of it, three for the price of one is a bargain. {{User:Neox/sig}} 16:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Don't forget, that the Green Helmet is analogous to a redshirt on the original Star Trek (i.e. expendable), so, naturally they'd be cheaper. [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 18:13, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Opps! Sorry. I meant 3 for 1, as in them not being sold separately, where the theme song says "each is sold separately" However, but they're Green Helmets, so maybe they're not like the rest. [[User:TheFunmachine|TheFunmachine]] 11:33, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Gasp! ==

For some reason, I can only hear Fightgar gasping during the scene when Flashfight fires people. Anyone else? -[[Special:Contributions/76.119.99.198|76.119.99.198]]

== Section? ==

I honestly don't know what section this one belongs in, but...
During the scene where Gunhaver, Silent Rip, and Crackotage are talking outside the headquarters, Gunhaver's face can be seen painted on the door, along with a word bubble reading, "Rock, rock on!"
... Actually, is this even notable enough to be put in?
:The best place for this information is in the transcript itself. Why not go ahead and add it there? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

== Extra Melty? ==

Isn't that a reference to the Meltymens? [[User:DJmankiewicz|DJmankiewicz]] 13:21, 2 June 2009 (CST)
: Meaning the fan stuff thing? Granted there are three of them in that, too, but I think this is more likely just a reference to practice of melting action figures like G. I. Joes. Probably not a deliberate connection. [[User:Durniel|Durniel]] 19:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:: I think is's a reference to [[8-Bit is Enough]] where Strong Bad comments that he thinks the Topplegangers would be "Real Melty". [[User:VmKid|VmKid]] 02:16, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== Oh yeah! Them. ==

I beleive the way Crackotage goes into great detail about the Topplegangers refers to the way many cartoons introduce recurring characters to new audiences or to make a new character(s) seem old: way drawn out and pointlessly explanatory. Example:

*'''Itchy''' : Hey look Scratchy, its our old friend, Poochy!

*'''Scratchy''': What's his name? I forgot.

*'''Poochie''': {does a rap about himself}

source: The Simpsons: The Itchy and Scratchy and Poochy Show.

See what I mean? I just don't know how to word this so it makes sense in the article. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 23:21, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

:Well, exposition has to happen to some degree in ''all'' fiction, and there are only so many ways to do it. I don't see how this case is a reference to any other instance of it. It doesn't really even seem to be poking fun at the sometimes-ridiculous expository dumps that happen pretty often in serial cartoons / sitcoms / etc. It's just TBC using a little humorous dialog as a way of legitimately needed exposition for us, much the same way any other fiction would. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 23:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Right-Click Menu ==

You can rewind!!!!! GASP! {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 15:06, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah... You can do that in all of the flash files. It's nothing, really. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 15:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

== g focrei s same execpt for the bad resturant deal ==

Homestar saying hamsters instend of chat is Disney movie G-Force
:You're saying that Homestar confusing the words "cheat" and "hamster" is from the Disney movie G-Force? Well, I've never seen the movie (and even if I had, I wouldn't remember one line), but feel free to add it! {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 23:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== Crackotage NOT Rhyming? ==

Did anyone else notice how at the end of the toon, Crackotage doesn't even pretend to rhyme? I mean, even in Commandos in the Classroom, he still talked with a funny rhythm like he normally does, but here he actually speaks normally every scene after they're kicked out of the Cheat Commandos.--[[Special:Contributions/76.197.56.155|76.197.56.155]] 06:29, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Hmm, you're right, but I'm not sure it's noteworthy. Is rhyming, like, part of his job?? I don't know. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:56, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:: I sar that too. I've never seen that guy not rhyming.

== Homestar's Brim ==
Is it just me, or does the brim of Homestar's hat in the easter egg look odd? [[User:Man-o-man|Man-o-man]] 17:45, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== Flash file deleted? ==

I tried to watch this 'toon, but it just showed a white square and the navigation bar under it. When I tried to go to the flash file, it just led me to the "404'd" page. Did TBC delete the flash file? I'm pretty sure that this isn't because of my computer because when I went to [[2 Part Episode: Part 2]], it showed the 'toon. --[[User:Particleman24|Particleman24]] 00:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:It's not just your computer. It's not loading for me either, and 404'd for the Flash File. Does this mean that they're going to combine the episodes? I dunno. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 00:10, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::Seriously, what's going on? Should I add this to the page? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 00:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::It's working fine for me. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 00:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Both the flash file AND the normal toon? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 00:54, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's working for me, too. Both the Flash file and the normal toon (which are the ''same'' .swf) load properly. — {{User:Fotoshop/sig}} 01:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::No, I'm having the same problem, even after clearing my cache and trying two different browsers. For those of you where it does work, try clearing your cache and let us know if it still works. --[[User:Spiralagnus|Spiralagnus]] 01:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm not seeing it on my work computer, but my work computer sometimes has the funniest things happen concerning H*R. It would almost certainly be more meaningful to test on my home computer... when I get home. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, it's the next day (For me) and it still isn't working. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 11:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

It works fine for me. [[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 16:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
: And on my home machine. Maybe some ISPs having trouble? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:38, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::That's probably it. Strange, though... {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 17:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== Not working ==

I'm trying to watch this toon, but the sites not working. go try it real fast and tell me.

Talk:Cheat Commandos: 2 Part Episode: Part 1

Origonalname — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:37:28 GMT

Origonalname:

==Doppel or Toppel==
The transcript uses the actual word doppelganger, while the inside reference is to the Toppelgangers. Is the transcript wromg? -[[Special:Contributions/173.3.112.55|173.3.112.55]] 13:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:I thought it sounded like "toppleganger" when I was transcribing it, but I'd forgotten about [[The Topplegangers]], so I figured I was just mishearing. But I wasn't, Toppleganger is right, and I've already fixed the transcript as soon as I saw the inside ref. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 13:57, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== Get back to work, guys. ==

I think Reynolds brother says "Get back to work, Charles." and don't we already know that Charles is Gunhaver's first name from [[let us give tanks]]? [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 14:06, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

: I've listened to it several times, and I believe this is true. I'm gonna change it. It also makes makes sense since Crackotage and Silent Rip are actually working [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 14:10, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Sounds reasonable to me. Listening again, I hear "Charles" too. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 14:13, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== Does this mean... ==
...that next week there is gonna be another Cheat Commando's? [[User:MICGAGUH]]
: Given the [[retirement|last time]] we had a two-part toon? Might be tomorrow. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:41, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== white screen ==

<blockquote>A decompiler, a Flash Seek Bookmarklet, or the Greasemonkey script reveals a white screen before the TV Easter egg can be accessed.</blockquote>

I removed this from the ''Easter Eggs'' section, because that's certainly not the right place for it. I considered placing it elsewhere on the page, but decided not to because it doesn't seem that notable. The [[HRWiki:Standards]] as I interpret them, seems we don't mention such things unless they are clearly meant to be discovered and/or add something relevant to the cartoon (E.g. [[:Image:Dodongo.png|"Nice try, dodongo"]] and [[:Image:By strong bab age 5.PNG|—by Strong Bab]]). Just thought I'd mention my rationale here, if others feel that it really deserves a mention in the article, I don't have a strong opinion against that. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 19:56, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

:Definitely notable, but seemingly unintentional. Seems like a goof or a remark to me. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
::Things like this have been remarked before, such as the [[mile|dancing feet]] or the extra frames in [[Not the 100th Email!!!|Not the Hundredth E-mail]]. -[[User:MNGoldenEagle|MNGoldenEagle]] 21:34, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== Doorbell ==

Does anyone know the name of the "ditty" that the doorbell plays? I know that it is commonly used to depict a ringing doorbell, but I don't want to add it to the real-world references section without knowing the name. [[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 21:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

:See [[wikipedia:Westminster Quarters]] (added a note under Remarks). {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 22:21, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

:: Why isn't this considered a Real-World Ref? [[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 22:34, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

:::In my opinion, it belongs under Explanations because it's not referring to any specific clock (or doorbell). That tune is ''very'' commonly used for clocks and doorbells. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 22:38, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

::::But look at [[Donut Unto Others]]. A common tune was used in that toon as well, and that was put in Real World Refs. [[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 22:50, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Yeah guys, that doorbell was totally awesome! It sounds familiar though. [[User:Fingerface|Fingerface]] 23:54, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

== With a vengeance ==

The credits say this show was "written with a vengeance by A.Chimendez". We already know he and Crack Stuntman have creative differences and that Gunhaver was nearly written off the show because of it. Now, in this episode, Gunhaver is fired. Am I on to something? [[User:TJDevil02|TJDevil02]] 02:51, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

== All Ashore ==

*[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Admiral Admiral] is the highest rank in a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Navy naval force], which makes it interesting that Flashfight takes charge of the Cheat Commandos, considering they're mostly ground-based forces.

Is this worth pointing out somewhere? --[[User:President Cold One|President Cold One]] 09:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

: For shore (please don't make fun of that pun). --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 10:40, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

::All of the contents of this cartoon suggest that the Cheat Commandos are administered by BE(E)FF, which is probably an international organization. The fact that Admiral Flashfight and Fightgar both seem to be British and Ripberger has an accent would jive with this, too. And, such an international organization could involve a collaboration among various armed services (Flashfight coming from a Navy, Crackotage coming from an Air Force?). Meh? [[User:Durniel|Durniel]] 06:55, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== 3 for 1 ==

The Cheat Commandos ththeme song goes "Cheat Commandos, maybe fighting for freedom, and each is sold separately. Cheat Commandos, they're probably battling evil. Buy all our playsets and toys!"
Is it notable that Green Helmts are 3-for-11, but their theme song says "each is sold separately." [[User:TheFunmachine|TheFunmachine]] 11:28, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:I think it's notable that although the Green Helmets are part of a "discount three pack", they cost the same as any other CCdo. Although, come to think of it, three for the price of one is a bargain. {{User:Neox/sig}} 16:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
:: Don't forget, that the Green Helmet is analogous to a redshirt on the original Star Trek (i.e. expendable), so, naturally they'd be cheaper. [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 18:13, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Opps! Sorry. I meant 3 for 1, as in them not being sold separately, where the theme song says "each is sold separately" However, but they're Green Helmets, so maybe they're not like the rest. [[User:TheFunmachine|TheFunmachine]] 11:33, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Gasp! ==

For some reason, I can only hear Fightgar gasping during the scene when Flashfight fires people. Anyone else? -[[Special:Contributions/76.119.99.198|76.119.99.198]]

== Section? ==

I honestly don't know what section this one belongs in, but...
During the scene where Gunhaver, Silent Rip, and Crackotage are talking outside the headquarters, Gunhaver's face can be seen painted on the door, along with a word bubble reading, "Rock, rock on!"
... Actually, is this even notable enough to be put in?
:The best place for this information is in the transcript itself. Why not go ahead and add it there? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

== Extra Melty? ==

Isn't that a reference to the Meltymens? [[User:DJmankiewicz|DJmankiewicz]] 13:21, 2 June 2009 (CST)
: Meaning the fan stuff thing? Granted there are three of them in that, too, but I think this is more likely just a reference to practice of melting action figures like G. I. Joes. Probably not a deliberate connection. [[User:Durniel|Durniel]] 19:12, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
:: I think is's a reference to [[8-Bit is Enough]] where Strong Bad comments that he thinks the Topplegangers would be "Real Melty". [[User:VmKid|VmKid]] 02:16, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

== Oh yeah! Them. ==

I beleive the way Crackotage goes into great detail about the Topplegangers refers to the way many cartoons introduce recurring characters to new audiences or to make a new character(s) seem old: way drawn out and pointlessly explanatory. Example:

*'''Itchy''' : Hey look Scratchy, its our old friend, Poochy!

*'''Scratchy''': What's his name? I forgot.

*'''Poochie''': {does a rap about himself}

source: The Simpsons: The Itchy and Scratchy and Poochy Show.

See what I mean? I just don't know how to word this so it makes sense in the article. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 23:21, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

:Well, exposition has to happen to some degree in ''all'' fiction, and there are only so many ways to do it. I don't see how this case is a reference to any other instance of it. It doesn't really even seem to be poking fun at the sometimes-ridiculous expository dumps that happen pretty often in serial cartoons / sitcoms / etc. It's just TBC using a little humorous dialog as a way of legitimately needed exposition for us, much the same way any other fiction would. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 23:36, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

== Right-Click Menu ==

You can rewind!!!!! GASP! {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 15:06, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
:Yeah... You can do that in all of the flash files. It's nothing, really. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 15:12, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

== g focrei s same execpt for the bad resturant deal ==

Homestar saying hamsters instend of chat is Disney movie G-Force
:You're saying that Homestar confusing the words "cheat" and "hamster" is from the Disney movie G-Force? Well, I've never seen the movie (and even if I had, I wouldn't remember one line), but feel free to add it! {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 23:22, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

== Crackotage NOT Rhyming? ==

Did anyone else notice how at the end of the toon, Crackotage doesn't even pretend to rhyme? I mean, even in Commandos in the Classroom, he still talked with a funny rhythm like he normally does, but here he actually speaks normally every scene after they're kicked out of the Cheat Commandos.--[[Special:Contributions/76.197.56.155|76.197.56.155]] 06:29, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
:Hmm, you're right, but I'm not sure it's noteworthy. Is rhyming, like, part of his job?? I don't know. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 12:56, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== Homestar's Brim ==
Is it just me, or does the brim of Homestar's hat in the easter egg look odd? [[User:Man-o-man|Man-o-man]] 17:45, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

== Flash file deleted? ==

I tried to watch this 'toon, but it just showed a white square and the navigation bar under it. When I tried to go to the flash file, it just led me to the "404'd" page. Did TBC delete the flash file? I'm pretty sure that this isn't because of my computer because when I went to [[2 Part Episode: Part 2]], it showed the 'toon. --[[User:Particleman24|Particleman24]] 00:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:It's not just your computer. It's not loading for me either, and 404'd for the Flash File. Does this mean that they're going to combine the episodes? I dunno. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 00:10, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::Seriously, what's going on? Should I add this to the page? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 00:51, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::It's working fine for me. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 00:52, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::Both the flash file AND the normal toon? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 00:54, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::It's working for me, too. Both the Flash file and the normal toon (which are the ''same'' .swf) load properly. — {{User:Fotoshop/sig}} 01:16, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::No, I'm having the same problem, even after clearing my cache and trying two different browsers. For those of you where it does work, try clearing your cache and let us know if it still works. --[[User:Spiralagnus|Spiralagnus]] 01:22, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I'm not seeing it on my work computer, but my work computer sometimes has the funniest things happen concerning H*R. It would almost certainly be more meaningful to test on my home computer... when I get home. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, it's the next day (For me) and it still isn't working. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 11:30, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

It works fine for me. [[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 16:35, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
: And on my home machine. Maybe some ISPs having trouble? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:38, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
::That's probably it. Strange, though... {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 17:04, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

== Not working ==

I'm trying to watch this toon, but the sites not working. go try it real fast and tell me.

Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 15

Origonalname — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:15:47 GMT

Origonalname: /* Hit by cupid's sparrow */

==Krakow!==
I think it is notable that the onomatopoeia "Krakow" is used, especially with that spelling. While there is no direct mention of Poland (except for [[other days]]...), the linking with the Calvin & Hobbes strip makes it more plausible. The coincidence of TBC using that particular spelling for an explosion is too great to ''not'' be reference to something. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 20:10, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
: Naw, it's just an onomatopoeia. The fact that "Krakow" is the capital of Poland in no way makes its appearance in this toon any more meaningful or funny. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:14, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::But i'd call the calvin reference plausible... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::: Not that one either. Calvin uses it as gunfire. TGS15 uses it as a thunderclap. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:28, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I don't know of specifics, but I'm reasonably certain I've heard "KRAKOW" as a thunder sound effect before this instance. Or something close, anyways. At the very least, it brings [[Wikipedia:Kracko|Kracko]] to mind. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:35, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:I think its likely that they did purposely use the sound effect Krakow knowing its a city in Poland as one of those meaningless references they do now and then. The Calvin & hobbes thing is a bit of stretch... I dont think TBC are specifically referring to C&H, theres no other connection to C&H except that they both happened to use "krakow" as a sound effect. I think its most likely that both TBC and C&H both happened to think that "krakow" sounds a lot like a sound. - [[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 00:12, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::Just for the record, Krakow is not the capital of Poland; Warsaw is. As for its significance, I was wondering that myself when I saw and 'scribed it. I have to say I think it's intentional; otherwise I can't see why they'd spell it that way (I think it'd be more like "crackow" otherwise), but how to mention that as a Fun Fact, if at all, I'm not at all sure. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 01:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I actually just saw a reference on TV Tropes mentioning a cartoon called "Krakow!". I ''still'' don't think that's a reference, but it's proof that it can refer to something other than Poland. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:31, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::PS. And like Dorian above, I too know that I've heard it used as an onomatopoeia for thunder before this. Not everything has to be a reference. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::: in defense of Del Taco above, Krakow is, in fact, a city in Poland. He never said it is the current capitol, but it is a city in Poland. And in reference to the C&H strip [[http://picayune.uclick.com/comics/ch/1986/ch860428.gif]], it ''was'' the [[wikipedia:Krakow|capitol of Poland from 1038 to 1596]], so Calvin actually got something right, and Susie cheated!!! I think it's notable in the Real World section because it's a blatant use of onomatopoeia in similar fashion as Bill Watterson, as mentioned by Jay (I also immediately thought of that C&H strip when I heard it) [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 15:36, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
::::: I have never heard this as a sound effect in anything but the most messed-up Trojan Horse comics, so I think it is notable. Not exactly sure about ol Calvin <strike>Klein</strike> and Hobbes, though.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 16:33, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::: I had added a different RWR last night about "Krakow!" being a reference to a boss character in the Kirby video game series, but it turns out that I was thinking of "Kracko". My mistake. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:32, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::: Jellote: I ''have'' seen it used as a sound effect before. And there's nothing connecting this circumstance to Poland or Calvin & Hobbes besides the completely generic use of the "word". It's as much a reference as Harry Potter is to that allegedly terrible "Muggles of Rah" or whatever book. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:38, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Do you have an example of another time it's been used as a sound effect, Jay? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.140.175|132.183.140.175]] 22:19, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Religious reference? ==

Was Arrow'd Guy supposed to be God right there? Is it notable? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 21:47, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:No and No. {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 21:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::Will you please explain why you disagree, NFITC1? {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 21:37, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes. The Arrowed Guy is supposed to be some kind of god-like, or high authority figure. The divine symbols are there - Being (or pretending to) being all-knowing, the echoing, coming from the sky behind a thunderstorm. But he's not the deity we refer to as God (the Biblical God). Also, I think that mentioning it in the fun facts, will be ruining the joke, since the divine symbols I mentioned are common knowledge. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:36, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::::The Arrow'd guy does seem to have some god like reference, but nothing on an extremely religious scale. [[User:Origonalname]]
:::::It's possible that this scene may be a reference to a scene in ''Monty Python and the Holy Grail'', in which God appears in some clouds and tells King Arthur about his destiny and mission. But it's not very clear and would probably be speculation without some additional confirmation from TBC. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:34, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::And as I noted in the same section, there weren't any running sparrow jokes in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. They were swallows. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:57, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Greg Fuel? ==
Did anyone else think of Gay Fuel when the can of Greg Fuel was shown? It was a big internet meme a couple years back among the nerdiest of nerds, so it might have a connection to the 4 Gregs. --[[User:Solcott|Solcott]] 21:51, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
: For being a "big internet meme", this is the first I've heard of it. Or am I not nerdy enough? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:57, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:: I should have probably said it was a "big internet meme" on the stupider parts of the internet, like YTMND and 4chan :-) --[[User:Solcott|Solcott]] 22:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::According to wikipedia, [[Wikipedia:Gay Fuel|Gay Fuel]] was, in fact, an [[Wikipedia:Category:Internet memes|internet meme]]. It's not enough to convince me that it is a reference, but he's right that it was one. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:05, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== An Old Classic ==

Could "Sparrow'd" also reference the running gag about killing birds? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 22:02, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I think when they say an old classice. It's changing the arrow'd stuff. I wou;dn't say that the birds actually die, do they? [[User:Goodjorb|Goodjorb]]
::Goodjorb, the fact they don't die would be part of the twist. The TGS birds have gone from being killed to doing the killing. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 00:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::WOu;dn't that not be a killing bird gag but a bird gag in general? [[User:Goodjorb|Goodjorb]]

"Sparrow'd" may be a reference to "Sparrowed" meaning to "get drunk". Viz: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sparrowed -- [[User:Ch'marr|Ch'marr]] 16:09, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:That site is full of whatever crap anyone wants to add to it, and half of what's on there has no basis in fact. In fact, [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sparrowed?r=75 sparrowed] has absolutely no definition whatsoever. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:25, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:: And even if it ''did'' mean "to get drunk", that has no application to this toon, as no one gets drunk - certainly not What's Her Face, who's the one who gets SPARROW'D!! No, her "sparrowing" is extremely literal - it involves getting pelted with sparrows - and of course rhymes with "ARROWED!!" --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:30, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I just mentioned above (in the Religious Reference section) that I thought the scene with the Arrow'd Guy talking to So-and-So might have been a reference to a scene from ''Monty Python and the Holy Grail'', where God talks to King Arthur. "Sparrow'd" adds some credibility to that train of thought in my opinion, since that movie has several running jokes about sparrows in it. I'm starting to think that that's what that whole scene is referring to. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:38, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
: Kiefer, the running gag in Monty Python and the Holy Grail was ''swallows''. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:45, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::Oh geez, you're right! Second mistaken reference in as many days. I'm losing my touch. :( {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:57, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Carboard ==
That's just how he talk, y'all biscuitheads. You don hatta say erry letter.
: Agreed, but it does sound like he says the 'd' in 'cardboard.' [[User:Durniel|Durniel]] 07:01, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
: Yea, Durnya'll, but he dan't say the d, ya'll biscuitheads.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 09:56, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::I agree with what I can understand from those messages. TBC probably spelt it that way on purpose. Y'all biscuitheads. {{User:Acam30/sig}} 22:03, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== Cheerleader Cheerleader name ==

Could Cheerleader being referred to as "Cheerleader Cheerleader" be a real world reference to jokes similar to the Mario Bros. be referred to as "Mario Mario" etc? I'm sure the Mario gag isn't the only reference, just the only one I could think of (also more relevant in the HR universe as TBC are big Nintendo fans). [[Special:Contributions/173.11.82.162|173.11.82.162]] 18:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:No. Cheerleader is going to the prom with Cheerleader Brian, who is a male cheerleader called Brian, so So and So calls her Cheerleader Cheerleader because she is a female cheerleader called Cheerleader. It's a joke. No reference. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 18:39, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== WTR? (What the Robot?) ==

When Japanese Culture Greg is Uncanny Valley'd, I noticed distinct wires in his inside. Does this mean <strike>Mrs. Crabbable</strike> he is an android too? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 23:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:I noticed that too. Notable? {{User:Thy Not Dennis/sig}} 16:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:: It really doesn't look much like wires to me. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:26, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Nor me. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 22:49, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::::They just look like intestines to me. If they were wires and he was a robot, he would have exploded or caught fire when he was shot with the freakishly large laser. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 01:52, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== TENERROW'D ==
Did anyone else notice that when TOMPKINS was TENERROW'D he had 'ten arrows' in him? I think this is intentional.
[[Special:Contributions/66.93.122.4|66.93.122.4]] 03:29, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
: Huh, interesting. The obvious pun was Tenerence + Arrow'd; I didn't even think to count them. Mind, you can see ten points, but not ten feathers. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:02, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::Hm. Maybe it's a reference to that optical illusion, where there are more feathers than tips. {{User:Thy Not Dennis/sig}} 11:27, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Or it's a reference to the fact that Strong Bad is a poor artist, or the fact that Tompkins is turned part-way. Not everything is a reference! Stick to talking about the ten arrows in this subtopic. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:23, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::OK, well I don't think it's a reference, just a play on Tenerence's name. {{User:Thy Not Dennis/sig}} 20:24, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::What a convenient double meaning! Ever think it could be both? [[Special:Contributions/168.179.160.71|168.179.160.71]] 23:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::This is one of those rare cases where my opinion is, intentional or not, it's interesting enough to be notable. That said, i think it probably was intentional. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

== So and So ==

Two things about So and So here. I think that her face, when it changed, was styled with a Klingon forehead (no, not a reference to the new movie, but Star Trek in General) and this is another instance of her saying a word, it moving across the text baloon, and her stretching it out when said
:when I first saw that, I though she looked like someone from star trek. So I though it was because Sci-Fi Greg was her date. But he was not her date, Open Source Greg was. [[User:Origonalname112]]
:: So definitely a Star Trek reference, but not the new movie. At least, not specifically. Also, even if you are not logged in, please sign your posts. Your opinion will be more notable as an IP than as an annony. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 21:43, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Hit by cupid's sparrow==
Changing Arrow'd to Sparrow'd seems like a definite reference to what Michael Scott did in the office. "I was hit by cupid's sparrow! Funny little bird, but he gets the job done." Do Matt and Mike watch the office?
: I [[dan]]'t know about The Office or if the Chaps watch it, but I don't see how this refers to Cupid in any way. Not really a reference. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 21:43, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::I'm not saying it is a reference to cupid, i'm saying it is a reference to the office.

== Remainder 3.3 repeating ==
Forgive me if I'm wrong... and I know we talked about this in the other discussion thread where Tenerrance Love says "My name is Tenerrance Love + My name is Tenerrance Love / My name is Tenerrance Love = My name is Tenerrance Love remainder 3." but I don't think you can possibly get a remainder that is not an integer. -Accountless avenger "Don't make me get an account!"
: Three things: It's noted, of course that is a reference and get an account. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 00:24, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::On the math side of things: Yes, you can get a non-integer remainder. When you do an integer divide, you determine how many times your divisor can be multiplied to get as close as possible to the original number, then subtract that product from the original number to get the remainder. It's not true division, however.
::So, int-divide 111/3 by 4, for example: 11.333333333 / 4 = 2, remainder 3.333333333 . (2 x 4 = 8, which is closest to 11 without going over.) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:56, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::: Uh... So much math... Can't think. But I jest you are right. It ''is'' possible. I never thought of using decimal dividens. So this fact is well disputed, but I think it is worth a mention that no integer whole number) can get a repeating remainder. '''Major Rewrite''' and '''weak keep'''.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 21:43, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Robo-ko ==

What evidence do we have that it's a reference to the exact model currently on the page? Japanese robotics labs have made numerous artificial human robots in recent times. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.140.175|132.183.140.175]] 20:56, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
: I see it as that robot. I remember seeing a robotics video once, and that model was the one I saw. '''Keep this fact'''.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 21:43, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Quirky Anime Voice ==

Stop me if someone pointed this out somewhere already, but the way J.C. Greg says "Chizuko" reminds me a lot of the way Strong Sad says "anime" in [[TrogdorCon '97]]. I'm not sure, but I think there's somewhere else where someone says some Japanese/Anime word in a quirky voice like that, too, but I can't remember where. I think it should be pointed out somewhere, somehow.--{{User:Johnny Jupiter/sig}} 11:07, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

== Ugly One Favoritism ==

In the last issue of TGS, Ugly One obtained the record for being the only sole survivor of an issue twice... we decided at the time to not give it a mention in the article, as we felt that this ratio would most certainly change in the future. This issue marks her third time, so what about this now? Uggs is at least two up on all the other girls. I don't see how it could hurt to mention she currently holds this record over the others.[[Special:Contributions/24.235.190.192|24.235.190.192]] 17:48, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 15

Origonalname — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:14:00 GMT

Origonalname: /* So and So */

==Krakow!==
I think it is notable that the onomatopoeia "Krakow" is used, especially with that spelling. While there is no direct mention of Poland (except for [[other days]]...), the linking with the Calvin & Hobbes strip makes it more plausible. The coincidence of TBC using that particular spelling for an explosion is too great to ''not'' be reference to something. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 20:10, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
: Naw, it's just an onomatopoeia. The fact that "Krakow" is the capital of Poland in no way makes its appearance in this toon any more meaningful or funny. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:14, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::But i'd call the calvin reference plausible... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::: Not that one either. Calvin uses it as gunfire. TGS15 uses it as a thunderclap. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:28, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I don't know of specifics, but I'm reasonably certain I've heard "KRAKOW" as a thunder sound effect before this instance. Or something close, anyways. At the very least, it brings [[Wikipedia:Kracko|Kracko]] to mind. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:35, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:I think its likely that they did purposely use the sound effect Krakow knowing its a city in Poland as one of those meaningless references they do now and then. The Calvin & hobbes thing is a bit of stretch... I dont think TBC are specifically referring to C&H, theres no other connection to C&H except that they both happened to use "krakow" as a sound effect. I think its most likely that both TBC and C&H both happened to think that "krakow" sounds a lot like a sound. - [[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 00:12, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::Just for the record, Krakow is not the capital of Poland; Warsaw is. As for its significance, I was wondering that myself when I saw and 'scribed it. I have to say I think it's intentional; otherwise I can't see why they'd spell it that way (I think it'd be more like "crackow" otherwise), but how to mention that as a Fun Fact, if at all, I'm not at all sure. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 01:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I actually just saw a reference on TV Tropes mentioning a cartoon called "Krakow!". I ''still'' don't think that's a reference, but it's proof that it can refer to something other than Poland. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:31, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::PS. And like Dorian above, I too know that I've heard it used as an onomatopoeia for thunder before this. Not everything has to be a reference. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::: in defense of Del Taco above, Krakow is, in fact, a city in Poland. He never said it is the current capitol, but it is a city in Poland. And in reference to the C&H strip [[http://picayune.uclick.com/comics/ch/1986/ch860428.gif]], it ''was'' the [[wikipedia:Krakow|capitol of Poland from 1038 to 1596]], so Calvin actually got something right, and Susie cheated!!! I think it's notable in the Real World section because it's a blatant use of onomatopoeia in similar fashion as Bill Watterson, as mentioned by Jay (I also immediately thought of that C&H strip when I heard it) [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 15:36, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
::::: I have never heard this as a sound effect in anything but the most messed-up Trojan Horse comics, so I think it is notable. Not exactly sure about ol Calvin <strike>Klein</strike> and Hobbes, though.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 16:33, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::: I had added a different RWR last night about "Krakow!" being a reference to a boss character in the Kirby video game series, but it turns out that I was thinking of "Kracko". My mistake. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:32, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::: Jellote: I ''have'' seen it used as a sound effect before. And there's nothing connecting this circumstance to Poland or Calvin & Hobbes besides the completely generic use of the "word". It's as much a reference as Harry Potter is to that allegedly terrible "Muggles of Rah" or whatever book. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:38, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Do you have an example of another time it's been used as a sound effect, Jay? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.140.175|132.183.140.175]] 22:19, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Religious reference? ==

Was Arrow'd Guy supposed to be God right there? Is it notable? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 21:47, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:No and No. {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 21:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::Will you please explain why you disagree, NFITC1? {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 21:37, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes. The Arrowed Guy is supposed to be some kind of god-like, or high authority figure. The divine symbols are there - Being (or pretending to) being all-knowing, the echoing, coming from the sky behind a thunderstorm. But he's not the deity we refer to as God (the Biblical God). Also, I think that mentioning it in the fun facts, will be ruining the joke, since the divine symbols I mentioned are common knowledge. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:36, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::::The Arrow'd guy does seem to have some god like reference, but nothing on an extremely religious scale. [[User:Origonalname]]
:::::It's possible that this scene may be a reference to a scene in ''Monty Python and the Holy Grail'', in which God appears in some clouds and tells King Arthur about his destiny and mission. But it's not very clear and would probably be speculation without some additional confirmation from TBC. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:34, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::And as I noted in the same section, there weren't any running sparrow jokes in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. They were swallows. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:57, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Greg Fuel? ==
Did anyone else think of Gay Fuel when the can of Greg Fuel was shown? It was a big internet meme a couple years back among the nerdiest of nerds, so it might have a connection to the 4 Gregs. --[[User:Solcott|Solcott]] 21:51, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
: For being a "big internet meme", this is the first I've heard of it. Or am I not nerdy enough? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:57, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:: I should have probably said it was a "big internet meme" on the stupider parts of the internet, like YTMND and 4chan :-) --[[User:Solcott|Solcott]] 22:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::According to wikipedia, [[Wikipedia:Gay Fuel|Gay Fuel]] was, in fact, an [[Wikipedia:Category:Internet memes|internet meme]]. It's not enough to convince me that it is a reference, but he's right that it was one. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:05, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== An Old Classic ==

Could "Sparrow'd" also reference the running gag about killing birds? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 22:02, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I think when they say an old classice. It's changing the arrow'd stuff. I wou;dn't say that the birds actually die, do they? [[User:Goodjorb|Goodjorb]]
::Goodjorb, the fact they don't die would be part of the twist. The TGS birds have gone from being killed to doing the killing. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 00:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::WOu;dn't that not be a killing bird gag but a bird gag in general? [[User:Goodjorb|Goodjorb]]

"Sparrow'd" may be a reference to "Sparrowed" meaning to "get drunk". Viz: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sparrowed -- [[User:Ch'marr|Ch'marr]] 16:09, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:That site is full of whatever crap anyone wants to add to it, and half of what's on there has no basis in fact. In fact, [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sparrowed?r=75 sparrowed] has absolutely no definition whatsoever. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:25, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:: And even if it ''did'' mean "to get drunk", that has no application to this toon, as no one gets drunk - certainly not What's Her Face, who's the one who gets SPARROW'D!! No, her "sparrowing" is extremely literal - it involves getting pelted with sparrows - and of course rhymes with "ARROWED!!" --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:30, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I just mentioned above (in the Religious Reference section) that I thought the scene with the Arrow'd Guy talking to So-and-So might have been a reference to a scene from ''Monty Python and the Holy Grail'', where God talks to King Arthur. "Sparrow'd" adds some credibility to that train of thought in my opinion, since that movie has several running jokes about sparrows in it. I'm starting to think that that's what that whole scene is referring to. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:38, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
: Kiefer, the running gag in Monty Python and the Holy Grail was ''swallows''. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:45, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::Oh geez, you're right! Second mistaken reference in as many days. I'm losing my touch. :( {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:57, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Carboard ==
That's just how he talk, y'all biscuitheads. You don hatta say erry letter.
: Agreed, but it does sound like he says the 'd' in 'cardboard.' [[User:Durniel|Durniel]] 07:01, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
: Yea, Durnya'll, but he dan't say the d, ya'll biscuitheads.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 09:56, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::I agree with what I can understand from those messages. TBC probably spelt it that way on purpose. Y'all biscuitheads. {{User:Acam30/sig}} 22:03, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== Cheerleader Cheerleader name ==

Could Cheerleader being referred to as "Cheerleader Cheerleader" be a real world reference to jokes similar to the Mario Bros. be referred to as "Mario Mario" etc? I'm sure the Mario gag isn't the only reference, just the only one I could think of (also more relevant in the HR universe as TBC are big Nintendo fans). [[Special:Contributions/173.11.82.162|173.11.82.162]] 18:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:No. Cheerleader is going to the prom with Cheerleader Brian, who is a male cheerleader called Brian, so So and So calls her Cheerleader Cheerleader because she is a female cheerleader called Cheerleader. It's a joke. No reference. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 18:39, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== WTR? (What the Robot?) ==

When Japanese Culture Greg is Uncanny Valley'd, I noticed distinct wires in his inside. Does this mean <strike>Mrs. Crabbable</strike> he is an android too? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 23:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:I noticed that too. Notable? {{User:Thy Not Dennis/sig}} 16:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:: It really doesn't look much like wires to me. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:26, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Nor me. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 22:49, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::::They just look like intestines to me. If they were wires and he was a robot, he would have exploded or caught fire when he was shot with the freakishly large laser. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 01:52, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== TENERROW'D ==
Did anyone else notice that when TOMPKINS was TENERROW'D he had 'ten arrows' in him? I think this is intentional.
[[Special:Contributions/66.93.122.4|66.93.122.4]] 03:29, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
: Huh, interesting. The obvious pun was Tenerence + Arrow'd; I didn't even think to count them. Mind, you can see ten points, but not ten feathers. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:02, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::Hm. Maybe it's a reference to that optical illusion, where there are more feathers than tips. {{User:Thy Not Dennis/sig}} 11:27, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Or it's a reference to the fact that Strong Bad is a poor artist, or the fact that Tompkins is turned part-way. Not everything is a reference! Stick to talking about the ten arrows in this subtopic. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:23, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::OK, well I don't think it's a reference, just a play on Tenerence's name. {{User:Thy Not Dennis/sig}} 20:24, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::What a convenient double meaning! Ever think it could be both? [[Special:Contributions/168.179.160.71|168.179.160.71]] 23:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::This is one of those rare cases where my opinion is, intentional or not, it's interesting enough to be notable. That said, i think it probably was intentional. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

== So and So ==

Two things about So and So here. I think that her face, when it changed, was styled with a Klingon forehead (no, not a reference to the new movie, but Star Trek in General) and this is another instance of her saying a word, it moving across the text baloon, and her stretching it out when said
:when I first saw that, I though she looked like someone from star trek. So I though it was because Sci-Fi Greg was her date. But he was not her date, Open Source Greg was. [[User:Origonalname112]]
:: So definitely a Star Trek reference, but not the new movie. At least, not specifically. Also, even if you are not logged in, please sign your posts. Your opinion will be more notable as an IP than as an annony. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 21:43, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Hit by cupid's sparrow==
Changing Arrow'd to Sparrow'd seems like a definite reference to what Michael Scott did in the office. "I was hit by cupid's sparrow! Funny little bird, but he gets the job done." Do Matt and Mike watch the office?
: I [[dan]]'t know about The Office or if the Chaps watch it, but I don't see how this refers to Cupid in any way. Not really a reference. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 21:43, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Remainder 3.3 repeating ==
Forgive me if I'm wrong... and I know we talked about this in the other discussion thread where Tenerrance Love says "My name is Tenerrance Love + My name is Tenerrance Love / My name is Tenerrance Love = My name is Tenerrance Love remainder 3." but I don't think you can possibly get a remainder that is not an integer. -Accountless avenger "Don't make me get an account!"
: Three things: It's noted, of course that is a reference and get an account. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 00:24, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::On the math side of things: Yes, you can get a non-integer remainder. When you do an integer divide, you determine how many times your divisor can be multiplied to get as close as possible to the original number, then subtract that product from the original number to get the remainder. It's not true division, however.
::So, int-divide 111/3 by 4, for example: 11.333333333 / 4 = 2, remainder 3.333333333 . (2 x 4 = 8, which is closest to 11 without going over.) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:56, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::: Uh... So much math... Can't think. But I jest you are right. It ''is'' possible. I never thought of using decimal dividens. So this fact is well disputed, but I think it is worth a mention that no integer whole number) can get a repeating remainder. '''Major Rewrite''' and '''weak keep'''.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 21:43, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Robo-ko ==

What evidence do we have that it's a reference to the exact model currently on the page? Japanese robotics labs have made numerous artificial human robots in recent times. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.140.175|132.183.140.175]] 20:56, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
: I see it as that robot. I remember seeing a robotics video once, and that model was the one I saw. '''Keep this fact'''.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 21:43, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Quirky Anime Voice ==

Stop me if someone pointed this out somewhere already, but the way J.C. Greg says "Chizuko" reminds me a lot of the way Strong Sad says "anime" in [[TrogdorCon '97]]. I'm not sure, but I think there's somewhere else where someone says some Japanese/Anime word in a quirky voice like that, too, but I can't remember where. I think it should be pointed out somewhere, somehow.--{{User:Johnny Jupiter/sig}} 11:07, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

== Ugly One Favoritism ==

In the last issue of TGS, Ugly One obtained the record for being the only sole survivor of an issue twice... we decided at the time to not give it a mention in the article, as we felt that this ratio would most certainly change in the future. This issue marks her third time, so what about this now? Uggs is at least two up on all the other girls. I don't see how it could hurt to mention she currently holds this record over the others.[[Special:Contributions/24.235.190.192|24.235.190.192]] 17:48, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 15

Origonalname — Mon, 08 Jun 2009 01:11:07 GMT

Origonalname: /* Religious reference? */

==Krakow!==
I think it is notable that the onomatopoeia "Krakow" is used, especially with that spelling. While there is no direct mention of Poland (except for [[other days]]...), the linking with the Calvin & Hobbes strip makes it more plausible. The coincidence of TBC using that particular spelling for an explosion is too great to ''not'' be reference to something. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 20:10, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
: Naw, it's just an onomatopoeia. The fact that "Krakow" is the capital of Poland in no way makes its appearance in this toon any more meaningful or funny. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:14, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::But i'd call the calvin reference plausible... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:23, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::: Not that one either. Calvin uses it as gunfire. TGS15 uses it as a thunderclap. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:28, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
::::I don't know of specifics, but I'm reasonably certain I've heard "KRAKOW" as a thunder sound effect before this instance. Or something close, anyways. At the very least, it brings [[Wikipedia:Kracko|Kracko]] to mind. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:35, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:I think its likely that they did purposely use the sound effect Krakow knowing its a city in Poland as one of those meaningless references they do now and then. The Calvin & hobbes thing is a bit of stretch... I dont think TBC are specifically referring to C&H, theres no other connection to C&H except that they both happened to use "krakow" as a sound effect. I think its most likely that both TBC and C&H both happened to think that "krakow" sounds a lot like a sound. - [[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 00:12, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::Just for the record, Krakow is not the capital of Poland; Warsaw is. As for its significance, I was wondering that myself when I saw and 'scribed it. I have to say I think it's intentional; otherwise I can't see why they'd spell it that way (I think it'd be more like "crackow" otherwise), but how to mention that as a Fun Fact, if at all, I'm not at all sure. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 01:51, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::I actually just saw a reference on TV Tropes mentioning a cartoon called "Krakow!". I ''still'' don't think that's a reference, but it's proof that it can refer to something other than Poland. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:31, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::PS. And like Dorian above, I too know that I've heard it used as an onomatopoeia for thunder before this. Not everything has to be a reference. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::: in defense of Del Taco above, Krakow is, in fact, a city in Poland. He never said it is the current capitol, but it is a city in Poland. And in reference to the C&H strip [[http://picayune.uclick.com/comics/ch/1986/ch860428.gif]], it ''was'' the [[wikipedia:Krakow|capitol of Poland from 1038 to 1596]], so Calvin actually got something right, and Susie cheated!!! I think it's notable in the Real World section because it's a blatant use of onomatopoeia in similar fashion as Bill Watterson, as mentioned by Jay (I also immediately thought of that C&H strip when I heard it) [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 15:36, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
::::: I have never heard this as a sound effect in anything but the most messed-up Trojan Horse comics, so I think it is notable. Not exactly sure about ol Calvin <strike>Klein</strike> and Hobbes, though.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 16:33, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::: I had added a different RWR last night about "Krakow!" being a reference to a boss character in the Kirby video game series, but it turns out that I was thinking of "Kracko". My mistake. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:32, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::: Jellote: I ''have'' seen it used as a sound effect before. And there's nothing connecting this circumstance to Poland or Calvin & Hobbes besides the completely generic use of the "word". It's as much a reference as Harry Potter is to that allegedly terrible "Muggles of Rah" or whatever book. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:38, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Do you have an example of another time it's been used as a sound effect, Jay? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.140.175|132.183.140.175]] 22:19, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Religious reference? ==

Was Arrow'd Guy supposed to be God right there? Is it notable? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 21:47, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:No and No. {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 21:33, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::Will you please explain why you disagree, NFITC1? {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 21:37, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Yes. The Arrowed Guy is supposed to be some kind of god-like, or high authority figure. The divine symbols are there - Being (or pretending to) being all-knowing, the echoing, coming from the sky behind a thunderstorm. But he's not the deity we refer to as God (the Biblical God). Also, I think that mentioning it in the fun facts, will be ruining the joke, since the divine symbols I mentioned are common knowledge. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 06:36, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::::The Arrow'd guy does seem to have some god like reference, but nothing on an extremely religious scale. [[User:Origonalname]]
:::::It's possible that this scene may be a reference to a scene in ''Monty Python and the Holy Grail'', in which God appears in some clouds and tells King Arthur about his destiny and mission. But it's not very clear and would probably be speculation without some additional confirmation from TBC. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:34, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::::And as I noted in the same section, there weren't any running sparrow jokes in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. They were swallows. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:57, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Greg Fuel? ==
Did anyone else think of Gay Fuel when the can of Greg Fuel was shown? It was a big internet meme a couple years back among the nerdiest of nerds, so it might have a connection to the 4 Gregs. --[[User:Solcott|Solcott]] 21:51, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
: For being a "big internet meme", this is the first I've heard of it. Or am I not nerdy enough? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:57, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:: I should have probably said it was a "big internet meme" on the stupider parts of the internet, like YTMND and 4chan :-) --[[User:Solcott|Solcott]] 22:03, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
:::According to wikipedia, [[Wikipedia:Gay Fuel|Gay Fuel]] was, in fact, an [[Wikipedia:Category:Internet memes|internet meme]]. It's not enough to convince me that it is a reference, but he's right that it was one. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:05, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

== An Old Classic ==

Could "Sparrow'd" also reference the running gag about killing birds? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 22:02, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I think when they say an old classice. It's changing the arrow'd stuff. I wou;dn't say that the birds actually die, do they? [[User:Goodjorb|Goodjorb]]
::Goodjorb, the fact they don't die would be part of the twist. The TGS birds have gone from being killed to doing the killing. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 00:08, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::WOu;dn't that not be a killing bird gag but a bird gag in general? [[User:Goodjorb|Goodjorb]]

"Sparrow'd" may be a reference to "Sparrowed" meaning to "get drunk". Viz: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=sparrowed -- [[User:Ch'marr|Ch'marr]] 16:09, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:That site is full of whatever crap anyone wants to add to it, and half of what's on there has no basis in fact. In fact, [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sparrowed?r=75 sparrowed] has absolutely no definition whatsoever. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:25, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
:: And even if it ''did'' mean "to get drunk", that has no application to this toon, as no one gets drunk - certainly not What's Her Face, who's the one who gets SPARROW'D!! No, her "sparrowing" is extremely literal - it involves getting pelted with sparrows - and of course rhymes with "ARROWED!!" --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:30, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

I just mentioned above (in the Religious Reference section) that I thought the scene with the Arrow'd Guy talking to So-and-So might have been a reference to a scene from ''Monty Python and the Holy Grail'', where God talks to King Arthur. "Sparrow'd" adds some credibility to that train of thought in my opinion, since that movie has several running jokes about sparrows in it. I'm starting to think that that's what that whole scene is referring to. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:38, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
: Kiefer, the running gag in Monty Python and the Holy Grail was ''swallows''. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:45, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::Oh geez, you're right! Second mistaken reference in as many days. I'm losing my touch. :( {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:57, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Carboard ==
That's just how he talk, y'all biscuitheads. You don hatta say erry letter.
: Agreed, but it does sound like he says the 'd' in 'cardboard.' [[User:Durniel|Durniel]] 07:01, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
: Yea, Durnya'll, but he dan't say the d, ya'll biscuitheads.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 09:56, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
::I agree with what I can understand from those messages. TBC probably spelt it that way on purpose. Y'all biscuitheads. {{User:Acam30/sig}} 22:03, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== Cheerleader Cheerleader name ==

Could Cheerleader being referred to as "Cheerleader Cheerleader" be a real world reference to jokes similar to the Mario Bros. be referred to as "Mario Mario" etc? I'm sure the Mario gag isn't the only reference, just the only one I could think of (also more relevant in the HR universe as TBC are big Nintendo fans). [[Special:Contributions/173.11.82.162|173.11.82.162]] 18:00, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:No. Cheerleader is going to the prom with Cheerleader Brian, who is a male cheerleader called Brian, so So and So calls her Cheerleader Cheerleader because she is a female cheerleader called Cheerleader. It's a joke. No reference. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 18:39, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

== WTR? (What the Robot?) ==

When Japanese Culture Greg is Uncanny Valley'd, I noticed distinct wires in his inside. Does this mean <strike>Mrs. Crabbable</strike> he is an android too? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 23:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
:I noticed that too. Notable? {{User:Thy Not Dennis/sig}} 16:11, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:: It really doesn't look much like wires to me. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:26, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Nor me. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 22:49, 16 May 2009 (UTC)
::::They just look like intestines to me. If they were wires and he was a robot, he would have exploded or caught fire when he was shot with the freakishly large laser. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 01:52, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

== TENERROW'D ==
Did anyone else notice that when TOMPKINS was TENERROW'D he had 'ten arrows' in him? I think this is intentional.
[[Special:Contributions/66.93.122.4|66.93.122.4]] 03:29, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
: Huh, interesting. The obvious pun was Tenerence + Arrow'd; I didn't even think to count them. Mind, you can see ten points, but not ten feathers. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:02, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::Hm. Maybe it's a reference to that optical illusion, where there are more feathers than tips. {{User:Thy Not Dennis/sig}} 11:27, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Or it's a reference to the fact that Strong Bad is a poor artist, or the fact that Tompkins is turned part-way. Not everything is a reference! Stick to talking about the ten arrows in this subtopic. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:23, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
::::OK, well I don't think it's a reference, just a play on Tenerence's name. {{User:Thy Not Dennis/sig}} 20:24, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
:::::What a convenient double meaning! Ever think it could be both? [[Special:Contributions/168.179.160.71|168.179.160.71]] 23:07, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
::::::This is one of those rare cases where my opinion is, intentional or not, it's interesting enough to be notable. That said, i think it probably was intentional. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:48, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

== So and So ==

Two things about So and So here. I think that her face, when it changed, was styled with a Klingon forehead (no, not a reference to the new movie, but Star Trek in General) and this is another instance of her saying a word, it moving across the text baloon, and her stretching it out when said
:when I first saw that, I though she looked like someone from star trek. So I though it was because Sci-Fi Greg was her date. But he was not her date, Open Source Greg was.
:: So definitely a Star Trek reference, but not the new movie. At least, not specifically. Also, even if you are not logged in, please sign your posts. Your opinion will be more notable as an IP than as an annony. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 21:43, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Hit by cupid's sparrow==
Changing Arrow'd to Sparrow'd seems like a definite reference to what Michael Scott did in the office. "I was hit by cupid's sparrow! Funny little bird, but he gets the job done." Do Matt and Mike watch the office?
: I [[dan]]'t know about The Office or if the Chaps watch it, but I don't see how this refers to Cupid in any way. Not really a reference. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 21:43, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Remainder 3.3 repeating ==
Forgive me if I'm wrong... and I know we talked about this in the other discussion thread where Tenerrance Love says "My name is Tenerrance Love + My name is Tenerrance Love / My name is Tenerrance Love = My name is Tenerrance Love remainder 3." but I don't think you can possibly get a remainder that is not an integer. -Accountless avenger "Don't make me get an account!"
: Three things: It's noted, of course that is a reference and get an account. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 00:24, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::On the math side of things: Yes, you can get a non-integer remainder. When you do an integer divide, you determine how many times your divisor can be multiplied to get as close as possible to the original number, then subtract that product from the original number to get the remainder. It's not true division, however.
::So, int-divide 111/3 by 4, for example: 11.333333333 / 4 = 2, remainder 3.333333333 . (2 x 4 = 8, which is closest to 11 without going over.) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 19:56, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
::: Uh... So much math... Can't think. But I jest you are right. It ''is'' possible. I never thought of using decimal dividens. So this fact is well disputed, but I think it is worth a mention that no integer whole number) can get a repeating remainder. '''Major Rewrite''' and '''weak keep'''.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 21:43, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Robo-ko ==

What evidence do we have that it's a reference to the exact model currently on the page? Japanese robotics labs have made numerous artificial human robots in recent times. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.140.175|132.183.140.175]] 20:56, 27 May 2009 (UTC)
: I see it as that robot. I remember seeing a robotics video once, and that model was the one I saw. '''Keep this fact'''.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 21:43, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

== Quirky Anime Voice ==

Stop me if someone pointed this out somewhere already, but the way J.C. Greg says "Chizuko" reminds me a lot of the way Strong Sad says "anime" in [[TrogdorCon '97]]. I'm not sure, but I think there's somewhere else where someone says some Japanese/Anime word in a quirky voice like that, too, but I can't remember where. I think it should be pointed out somewhere, somehow.--{{User:Johnny Jupiter/sig}} 11:07, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

== Ugly One Favoritism ==

In the last issue of TGS, Ugly One obtained the record for being the only sole survivor of an issue twice... we decided at the time to not give it a mention in the article, as we felt that this ratio would most certainly change in the future. This issue marks her third time, so what about this now? Uggs is at least two up on all the other girls. I don't see how it could hurt to mention she currently holds this record over the others.[[Special:Contributions/24.235.190.192|24.235.190.192]] 17:48, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Hremail 2000

Origonalname — Sat, 30 May 2009 02:12:02 GMT

Origonalname: /* Compu-turds */

==Dipped in ink==
Could the claim in the Easter egg that Shadow Homestar was "dipped in a vat of ink" be a reference to the ending montage of [[dangeresque 3]], where the silhouette of [[Killingyouguy]] was shown to be made by painting Strong Mad in black? It's what came first to my mind, anyway... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 09:22, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:Mine too.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 14:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:: Oh most definitely. Should there be a page for shadow Homestar, or at least a part of the chacter variation page for hime? He seems like a pretty important duplicate.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 21:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::[[Shadow Homestar Runner]]. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 22:58, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I don't really think the page is neccesary (Hope I spelled that right). It should be under Homestar's variations because that is practically him.---{{User:Record307/sig}} 02:17, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::The guy above me is right. Shadow Homestar is merely a slight variation of Homestar. But, Shadow Homestar could come back, and end up just like Homsar.[[User:Origonalname]]

== Shadow Homestar ==
Isn't this a reference to "Shadow Link" in the Legend of Zelda games? We all know TBC are big fans, so possibilities?
--[[User:Lustmyeyes|lustmyeyes <3]] 10:41, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:I think lots of video game characters have "shadow" or "dark" versions of themselves, it's quite common, from what I can tell. --[[User:That crazy DumDe!|DumDe]] 16:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::I wish, but the easter egg seems to be referencing the [[Street Fighter]] series. {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 16:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Mortal Kombat as well. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Since the whole scene is a parody of Mortal Kombat, I kinda think the Noob Saibot line holds some water. Another "ambiguous reference" about the ubiquitousness of "shadow" characters may also be appropriate. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 01:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::For what it's worth, the original "Prince of Persia" was almost certainly the first game to have such a "shadow" opponent... predates Mortal Kombat by 3 years. --[[User:dmz|dmz]] 08:30, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::I think we're best off with the ambiguous reference, like we already have on the page, though i wouldn't mind a nod to noob in the same line, since it IS mortal kombat after all. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Frankly, I'm against any reference at all to Noob Saibot - he wasn't all-black, just gray, and he didn't copy the moves of any character in particular. In his initial appearance, there were MULTIPLE characters that looked like him aside from the color scheme. If it's got anything at all to do with Mortal Kombat, it's almost certainly the mirror matches that were in the original game. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:04, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:It's Jung! Carl Jung! The shadow self represents our insecurities, the elements of our psyche we repress! To do battle with the shadow self is to cease projecting these qualities onto others and acknowledge them in our self! -SFC
:: What the crap? What are you talking/spamming about? Okay, Mr. Preacher, could you keep your ramblings to yourself or would you care to explain what you mean? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::: Jungian psychology describes the archetype (the common form present in everyone's understanding of the world) of the shadow self. The shadow self is, as I said, the part of ourself we don't consciously recognise - not necessarily the 'bad' parts, but the parts we don't think of as really 'us'. Part of psychological development, in this model, is acknowledging these elements - engaging with the shadow self, 'doing battle with it', and merging with it to form a more complete, healthy being. So, basically, Jung attributes to this root cause all the mythical examples of shadow selves - and his work predates video games, naturally. -SFC
::::You guys are getting a bit out of hand here. Jung? All I think is that it is similar to shadow link, and nowhere near as important as you guys are saying it is. This is like the Homsar laugh thing from the Career Day discussion all over again![[User:Origonalname]]]

== Multiples again? ==
It should probably be noted that this is another instance of [[duplicate characters]], both with the 3rd Homestar leg (which is obviously not part of homestar when he's shown on the basketball court) and possibly also because of the Shadow Homestar. [[Special:Contributions/72.70.158.239|72.70.158.239]] 13:56, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:'''Agree'''. Yeah we should probably note the third leg.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 14:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Done.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 19:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Except the three leg thing has really nothing to do with "shadow Homestar"... --[[Special:Contributions/71.58.29.180|71.58.29.180]] 23:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::::No one said it did... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:52, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

==Homestar's Arms==
I'm no master at editing wikis, so I think I'll just mention it here. There should probably be something about how Homestar holds a big sock, then a big shoe, then a bigger sock, and then a bigger shoe, more than someone could hold with two hands (as he lifts them up seperately, and they don't move afterwards).
:There is a place to do that. I'll try to find it for consistancy. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 17:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Try going [[invisible arms|here]]. I also added a remark on the article. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 17:51, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, does anyone else think the Chaps are doing this on purpose now? I notice the whole "doing-things-that-would-require-more-than-two-arms" controversy has seemed to heighten somewhat on this wiki lately, so are they just adding fuel to the fire? Do they ''enjoy'' making those who try to find at least some level of vague sense-make in the cartoon squirm uncomfortably in their seats? (Not that I'm one of those people, I'm just sayin'. It's a weird co-weenky-dink.) [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I believe one of their commentaries mentioned the wiki, so they definitely know what goes on here. Probably amused their dumb little animal cartoon is causing so much silly bantering. My take is it's, 'relax, it's just a cartoon." And giant hands. Just because they're invisible doesn't mean they have to be normal sized!
:::::He holds them up individually, so unless he has REALLY big fingers..... -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:26, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

What if he has one arm, holds an item, uses the other arm to put an item in his first arm, takes the second arm, puts the item in the first arm (this part would be hard, but not entirely impossible) and then holds the last item in the second arm (optionally, he could take the third item and transfer it back to the second)
:Yeah, it is actually possible to manipulate your fingers in a way where you can hold all four items at once, especially considering how light even giant socks are.
::I Don't think the Chaps meant to confuse you by having Homestar hold 4 things at once. I think it is more of a goof that they didn't have Homestar put down the extra items. This is one of those things that just don't make all that much sense. Just relax, it's not like it's the end of the world.[[User:Origonalname]]

== Dream ==
When marzipan says that "the whole last season was just a dream", could this be a reference to the infamous ending of the Sopranos Tv series?
:This is the fourth suggestion so far as to what show it's referring to. I think that pretty much makes it something that can't be pinned to any one thing. The other three are Roseanne, Dallas, and Newhart, as seen when i removed them [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Hremail_2000&diff=627207&oldid=627205&rcid=586009 here]. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:44, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Dallas did it first and is most famous for it. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 21:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::The show Newhart is arguably the most famous as making the ''entire show'' was a dream in his earlier show. But I don't want to get into an argument about which is "more famous", because if one is mentioned, they all need to be. The best way is to make an ambiguous reference. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:33, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
There's a big controversy on how to include a remark about how "the entire last season was a dream." Why not just add a non-specific reference like; "Several prime-time shows have revealed in the season's last episode that the entire season had merely been a dream."? I'm not good at writing these things though, but i'm sure someone could make it sound very good and succinct. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:01, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:Why hasn't anyone else thought of this? Nice idea. -Nonuser mster24
::I'll take a shot at it. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, it's up. Wasn't sure whether to put it in Explanations or Real-World References, but if I've erred someone can move it. I tried to word it as succinctly as I could, but of course if someone can reword it better, go for it. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:13, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Great summary, that's better than I could have put it. However, I believe that it belongs under Real-World references as it really isn't explaining anything rather than mention something said is referring to a real-life show(s). -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:29, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Actually, general references to culture rather than references to something specific go in explanations. it's in the right place. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::I almost changed it, but realized the same thing trying to rephrase it. I like it where it is. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::There has only been one show where they had an entire season which was a dream. That was Dallas. This is a direct, complete reference to Dallas. -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]]
:::-as opposed to NEWHART which was only 8 seasons dreamed up. If I do my math right, NEWHART is 800% more direct than Dallas. My point is, there's more than one show which did that and we have the reference already in the article. We appreciate your input, but this has been discussed. Please see above. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 22:32, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Well, not necessarily. One could argue that, by the "math" of the transitive <strike>butt</strike> gimmick property, Dallas: 1 season = 100% direct reference by what Marzi said, whereas Newhart: 1 series/8 seasons = 0% direct reference by what Marzi said. And as much as love Bob Newhart, I really think Dallas is the most likely reference (this coming from someone who hasn't even seen Dallas, but is just familiar with certain famous attributes, this being one of them). Having said that, though, I don't think there's a strong enough case to put that specific one in the article, so I don't think there's any other way to do it, no matter how much I hate general, ambiguous references (I usually don't find 'em very useful). (Though I do maintain that Dallas did it first, in the 85-86 season (Newhart ended in 1990), and that they've referenced Dallas at least once in the past, with the [[Caleb Rentpayer]] thing.) -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 22:47, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::The Trope link, on the other hand, makes a general reference much more useful. Anonny satisfied! -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 23:27, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::First of all, it would be 800% AS direct, not 800% more direct. Secondly Newhart presumes the entire series was a dream (and entirely for comedic effect, not even pretending to be realistic). If marzipan had said the entire series was a dream, then it would make sense. Dallas is the only series to have had a "Dream Season" which is what Marzipan says -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]]
:::::The only point I was proving is that Dallas is not the only show that has done it (while Dallas may have been first). All I is saying is that it shouldn't be a specific reference. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Since when is TV Tropes Wiki a reliable source for anything? -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 19:36, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Since TBC started making reference to TV tropes... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:38, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Show me where they did this. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 00:46, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, there's two of them in this very toon, and tons of others all over the place. they spoof pop culture a lot. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:50, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Oh. I thought you meant they referenced the TV Tropes website itself, in which case a link would be appropriate. As it is I don't see why the links shouldn't be replaced with Wikipedia articles that explain the concepts. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]]
::::::::::::Because tropes does a better job at documenting and describing them, and is more specific. that's why. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:06, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::True as that may be, that's not my point. Maybe I wasn't being clear enough. My point in my original edit was that I don't see how TV Tropes is a reliable source. I mean, Wikipedia's not perfect, but I'd take it over a site that openly says it has few standards and is mostly for fun any day. I mean, yeah, it's kinda entertaining sometimes, and I get the feeling some people are actually trying provide objective information about common plot devices and media conventions, after visiting that site for nearly two years I get the impression that a large chunk of the contributors are more concerned with informing everyone that Doctor Who/Avatar The Last Airbender/Discworld/some furry webcomic is awesome and every other piece of fiction ever written is crap. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 02:16, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:Other shows have done it, but Dallas is arguably the most well-known, especially given the Brothers Chaps' ages. Not to mention, that website doesn't even mention it, just a bunch of anime references...I don't know if it's really what fits in here.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 13:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::To elaborate, the Newhart ending was itself a parody of the tendency of 80s TV shows to turn to the "it was all a dream" copout to throw away story elements they didn't like, resurrect characters, move the show to Jupiter, etc. That ending is also widely regarded as one of the best moments in TV history. In contrast, there was a lot of aggravation that Dallas decided to just throw away an entire season's worth of story as just being a dream, which Marzipan's annoyance definitely alludes to. Frankly, I think the mathematically questionable attempts to say that it refers to this or that ought to give way to what folks older than 20 or so will recognize as a clear Dallas reference.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 13:20, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Just how does TV Tropes do "a better job at documenting and describing [concepts]" than this very wiki? To me, that website is the very definition of ""[[unnatural|an organized forum for people to shout out their ideas all at the same time]]": it's a complete mess of potentially interesting information, which overwhelms the reader due to a complete lack of standards and formatting. You claim that we should make ANY specific references to any examples of "dream seasons" (what's wrong with mentioning just two or three extremely well-known examples?), yet then link to some website that attempts to list every single use of dreams in all the films, TV programmes, anime, manga and video games that it can think of? Do we really need to pass the buck this badly? Instead, we should all take a look at a similar problem that happened a while ago with [[bottom 10]]; the problem involved "songs that try to pass off la la's, na na's, and doot do's as legit lyrics". There are a million songs this statement could be referencing, so it was decided that we would only make three well-known references and leave it at that. A similar solution should be taken with this article; we add a sentence to the fact along the lines of "Notable example of 'dream seasons' include Dallas, Newhart and Roseanne," and an invisble comment asking people not to make any more references. It might be OK to keep the link to TV Tropes if enough people want to, but at least don't leave our explaination of the concept as it is. It just looks terribly generic and wishy-washy unless the link is followed. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:I'd forgotten about ''Roseanne''. ''Dallas'' is the only example I find where the writers wrote themselves into a corner and out of desperation wiped out the whole season. I would not support listing ''Newhart'', as that final episode wiped out the entire ''series'' and was played for laughs. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
It just occurred to me that I forgot to add an alternative to the Tropes link, so it looks like I'm complaining instead of trying to improve the article. Sorry about that. For the record, I think that a general explanation of the concept with one or two references to the most popular examples, like what somebody suggested above, would suffice. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]]

Can we just add at the end of the reference a couple of examples? Just make it "Marzipan's remark that the entire last season was just a dream refers to a gimmick employed by several television series in which such a revelation is made, usually in the last episode of that season, in series such as ''Dallas'' or ''Roseanne''." I think it would make the reference better, while still leaving it open ended. --[[User:Zonis|Zonis]] 03:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Homestar's Shoes? ==

Think it should be noted somewheres that Homestar's feet/shoes act like (and are referred to as) shoes in this toon? As far as I know, there's been a dispute over whether Homestar wears shoes or not, and this, especially the puppet show, could possibly confirm that he does.-Nonuser mster24
:Or that he doesn't. Note the fact that in that one closeup, his supposed "shoes" have those gnarly wart-looking things and his leg region is shown to have hair, despite the fact that there's no clear boundary between his "shoes/feet" and his legs. Just another wrench in the works-of-clearing-up-ambiguity is my guess. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Either way, we include references to his shoes on [[Homestar Runner's Pants]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:12, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::in the toon about Homestar's pants, it says that he has blue soles glued onto his feet. but yet, here it suggests that he has actual shoes. this is another one of the major goofs of Homestarrunner.com. [[User:Origonalname]]

== Foot Pelts ==
Is this easter egg another instance of [[Strong Sad]]'s implied [[death]]? [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 00:03, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Implied amputation isn't implied death. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::It could go here though -> [[Severed Body Parts]] -02:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Why not? In [[modeling]], Strong Sad informs Strong Bad that poachers have been after his feet.
:: No, no, no, no, no! You people misintuprited this. Strong Bad is walking around in "someone else's slighty larger foot pelts", and he likes the feeling of it. In [[diorama]], it was revealed that Strong Sad wore Dr. Soolnd's Medicated Shoes, so those might not even be his feet, but his "slighty larger foot pelts" that Homestar mentioned. He is wearing Strong Sa's SHOES! At least, that's my inturpritation of the joke. Oh well, maybe not... --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
== Cow Clips ==

The "Cow Clips" Homestar uses on his shoes are Binder Clips, also known as Bulldog Clips.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binder_clip --[[User:Zonis|Zonis]] 19:49, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:The transcript already calls them binder clips. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::It's easy to see how someone could go from "bulldog clips" to "cow clips", but to me, it just seemed like some random association Homestar was making. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:14 6 Feb 2009}}

== Swiss-ness ==

"swiss miss" is a brand of hot cocoa and other food-esque items. to be included in real-world references? --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman (Neumannz)]] 20:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:And [[Wikipedia:Swiss Miss (disambiguation)|many other things]] as well. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:44, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

== Missle vs. Missal ==

When Homestar says "today's missle," I think he is actually saying "Today's Missal," a publication found at nearly every Catholic church. See: http://www.ocp.org/products/tm Also see the Wikipedia article on Missal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missal
Should this be included in explanations or maybe real-world references?
:It's a [[malapropism]] for "missive". "Missile" has the benefit of being one letter off. "Missal" does not. The pronunciation is the same. I say "missile" is fine. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:I think "missal". Mostly because both are written materials, a much more closely related semantic field than "missile" would be. (Although, one could make the argument that Homestar misread a teleprompter or queue card).
::In [[senorial day]] when there was a homonym debate, we put a footnote. -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.17|128.103.10.17]] 03:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::That was a stretch, this is a bigger one. There's no reason to throw in an uncommon term like missal when the common term will suffice. Barring some sort of direct mention to the contrary by the Brothers Chaps, I don't see how a footnote would be necessary.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:57, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::As I stated above, at least missive and missal share the common semantic domain of written documents, whereas missile does not. And considering that TBC do have some Catholic roots to them, it's very likely that they could have meant missal. I do not think you can simply dismiss one over the other without some solid rationale for doing so. At the very least, "missal" could be added parenthetically. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:02 6 Feb 2009}}
::::*Also, this is further complicated by the possibility that this is a portmanteau of "missive" and "epistle". {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:09 6 Feb 2009}}
::::To be extremely nitpicky, they're homo''phones''. If they were homonyms, we wouldn't be having this discussion. ;) I stick with "missile", but a large part of that is the fact that I had never heard of the word "missal" before this conversation. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:28, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Long Pants ==

Remember when Strong Bad asserted that Homestar "simply has blue soles glued to the bottom of his feet"? Should that be mentioned?
:Since they don't mention it in this toon, I don't see why it should be mentioned in the wiki. Also, this toon clearly indicates that Homestar is wearing shoes, since he mentions them by their brand name, and he shows a couple of larger versions of the same shoes.--[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Power forward ==

Why isn't [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_forward_(basketball) power forward] explained? [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 23:01, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:Who knows? Feel free to add it if you'd like. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 23:07, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::I added the explanation, and I also explained what it means to "post up" and I clarified "in the paint" a bit, but I'm sure what I wrote could be worded better. By the way, this is my first time editing. [[User:Willstar|Willstar]] 05:15, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

== Art Stockton ==

I hear "Technical foul ''on'' Stockton", not "Art Stockton". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:I would agree that that makes SLIGHTLY more sense, however, the "T" is clearly audible. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:26, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::it makes entirely more sense. In that "On Stockton" makes sense, and "Art Stockton" doesn't. Also, that "clearly audilbe T" isn't. I hear "on" every time.[[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 21:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Is it "Art"? I think so, but I'm not 100% sure. What I ''am'' 100% sure of is that it is ''not'' "On". And even if it was, who puts the stress on a preposition? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Oh, and one more thing. "Art" makes ''exactly'' as much sense as "Stockton" in this context — it's short for "Arthur". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Definitely "Art Stockton" rather than "on".
::::After cramming my left ear up to my computer speaker and listening to it like 7 times, I deduced that it's "on Stockton." {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 03:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::I hear on, myself. -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.17|128.103.10.17]] 03:50, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Sounds like on to me, he's just talking like a referee.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Just listened to it again. I don't know how on earth someone could interpret that as "Art." It's clearly "on." There's not even Homestar's usually twisted version of R present, let alone a T sound. Short O is something Homestar is not known for having trouble with, and that's clearly what he's saying. Might want to clean the wax out, guys.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::No, it's clearly "Art." Try turning the volume up on your speakers or something. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:07 6 Feb 2009}}
::::::::Uncertain on how clear the "T" is, but a) it sounds ''exactly'' like when Homestar attempts an "R" (or "awr"), b) there isn't a clear "N" either, and c) I re-stress the stress. If it was "On", one would think the stress would be on "Stockton", but it isn't; it's on that first word. If one was to say (as though it were a name) "Art Stockton", the stress would more likely be on "Art". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Other possibilities, BTW, include "Arn" (short for "Arnold") or "Ott" (short for "Otto"). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: Ok, although I've clearly heard "on Stockton" every time, I went ahead and sampled that part of the toon and slowed it way down in Audacity. I think it makes it very clear that he's saying "On Stockton." Here's a link to the mp3 so you can hear it yourself and decide: [http://www.efn.org/~jbl/hsr/stockton.mp3] --[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:48, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: He's saying it funny because he's talking like a referee would in such a situation. "This action...on XX...this penalty!" No offense to anyone, but I think you're crazy if you're hearing "Art." There's nothing even vaguely resembling it there, nor does it make any sense in that context in a way that would lead to a punchline.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 22:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::He's clearly saying "'''on''' Stockton," because he's assessing the foul ''on'' Stockton. Perhaps you're hearing "Art" or "Arn" because of the echo. And for that matter, the most well-known player named Stockton to ever play basketball was ''John'' Stockton. [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 09:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Still doesn't sound like "on" to me. Besides, who said he's referring to a basketball player? Homestar's playing "baskeeball". Which, apparently, uses first downs. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:48, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm seeing what looks like consensus here. Suggest removing the extraneous footnote. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 23:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
: What consensus are you seeing? The footnote stays. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:45, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
::Agreed... this isn't consensus... and he doesn't say "on". {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, it seems like <strike>two</strike> three people think it's Art and a lot more think it's on (.. and it is), which is more of a consensus than cases that have been called consensus before. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::And by a lot I mean, like, 7 or so... -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:46, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think you need to learn the not-so-subtle difference between consensus and a vote. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:52, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::The difference is consensus is what's accepted here and vote is not. Talking about prior cases on the wiki would never refer to a vote, unless STUFF is involved. And to address a separate issue, one of the arguments for Art is that the T is supposedly clearly audible, but then it's also claimed that "Arn" is possible. (Even if it were "Art", I think "Arn" is much less likely. It's a much less common nickname, imo). So which is it? Audible T or no T? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I am unable to make out the consonant fully at all. I think it's a "T" and don't at all believe it's an "N"; I merely suggested "Arn" as an attempt at compromise. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::K, well, if nobody seems to think it's Arn, I think the footnote is better with just Art. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 01:18, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Jay, you're hearing the "T" in Stockton and attaching it to the first word. It's '''on'''. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:19, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Right, I'm hearing the "T" in "Stockton" ''before'' the "S". 9_9 --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Think about it from a common sense perspective. They're trying to be funny: what's funny about "Art" or "Arn" or "Ott?" Nothing. There's no punchline; even when the Brothers Chaps are random, there's some sort of punchline to it, like Homsar's nonsensical response to Strong Sad asking him if he was going to say anything in DNA Evidence. Their references are always direct, joke A to popular culture point B. Stockton makes sense as a reference to John Stockton, an NBA player; Art Stockton makes no sense, and isn't funny. I've never, ever heard anyone use "Arn" as short for Arnold, or "Ott" as short for Otto, ever. I think that if you have to stretch the logic way out and create a web of connections to justify a reference, then barring a direct mention from the Brothers Chaps in a commentary or something it shouldn't be considered a legitimate reference.
Good grief, I can't believe I'm still going on about this.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
: What's funny about "On"? I already said I believed it was "Art" and only introduced the others as potential compromises. What reference? And the punchline was most obviously the "first down" part (if not the part where the puppet is appearing ''at all''.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:59, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::As I and the anony above said already, he's talking like a referee in a football game (randomness with a punchline) assessing a technical foul against "Stockton" (Marzipan). It's very simple. Don't make things so complicated in this; like I said, the more you try to find some sort of twisted web of logic to justify an extreme reference, the less sense it will all make. The most obvious reference is probably the right one, again barring something to the contrary from the creators.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::In what way am I making this complicated? I'm simply saying that what I hear is closer to "Art" than "On" and I don't see how making it "On" makes it any funnier as you previously said. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I agree with Big Dog. He's saying "on Stockton." As I said before, I think you're all hearing the echo and it's muffling what's actually being said. For the referee to say "Art Stockton" doesn't make any sense, even when it comes to TBC being random. [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 06:56, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Sure it does. Think of it this way, what if he said "False start, Larry Smith, five yard penalty"? would you say that that made so sense? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, that does make sense, but like I said, Homestar's playing basketball (even if he pronounced it weird), and John Stockton is the most famous "Stockton" to ever play basketball. That being said, to say "Art Stockton" doesn't make any sense at all, even for TBC. I just don't see how anyone could think it's anything other than the referee assessing the foul "'''on''' Stockton." [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 19:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::It makes every bit as much sense as [[Happy Hallow-Day|every]] [[Cool Things|other]] [[cheat talk|time]] TBC randomly mention the name of a character who doesn't exist, so yeah, this fits with TBC's style entirely. Anyway, the argument's pretty moot by now. You've already essentially won. The transcript says "On", which it did not do when this topic was created. The footnote is there to show that there is a disagreement. Removing the footnote would show that the people who originally argued for the footnote's point have recanted — which is obviously not the case. This is this Wiki's standard. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, there's no footnote in Jibblies 2, even though the arguers didn't recant. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.34|132.183.138.34]] 20:01, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::To add to the counterargument, your claim that "it makes no sense because he's playing basketball" actually goes to support our side... the whole sentence is supposed to not make sense. I mean, have you ever seen anyone get a first down in basketball? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Which is the entire point, which is why "Technical foul, on Stockton" is what he said. He's a referee, calling a foul, albeit in a football-ref style with a football penalty. Which is the entire joke. Can we please vote on this and get it over with? I think this rivals "gamble/gambol" for most inane debate ever on this wiki.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Voting has never really been Wiki policy outside of the now-decommissioned STUFF (which this wouldn't fall under anyway). And I reiterate: if nothing changes from how it is now (as opposed to when the debate started), you win this debate. So you asking to vote comes off as nothing more than attempting to hide that there ''is'' a debate. (After all, the "gambol" footnote is still on [[Senorial Day]], is it not?) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:For whatever it matters at this late point in the debate, I hear "on". My theory as to why people hear "art": Homestar uses a rather gravelly voice which makes the "n" sound more articulated than it really is. Maybe? Just a thought. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::As a football referee, "Art" makes just as much sense. The "on" would be implicit, and the foul is on "Art Stockton". If "False start, Larry Smith, five yard penalty" makes sense, then so does this. Or i'll make it even clearer. If "Technical foul, Larry Smith, first down!" makes sense, so does this. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 10:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::The thing is, though, foot ball refs give penalties in the format of "(Foul), '''Number (jersey number)''', Offense/Defense, (penalty)." They do not say "(foul), '''(player name)''', (penalty)." So if you want to talk about what makes sense, neither "on" nor "Art" make sense. Also, it should be noted that no one named Art Stockton ever played basketball in anything above high school. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 02:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== "Visible Seam" in goofs? ==

I don't see the visible seam on my screen, no matter how much I zoom in. It's possible that it's just my monitor, so I'm not going to erase that entry or anything, but I just thought I'd bring that up. Does anyone else see it in the current version of the toon? Maybe it's a fixed goof? --[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:It has been fixed. I didn't see it, so I changed the section to "Fixed Goofs" and reworded it. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 22:35, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::It hasn't been fixed because it was never broken. It is simply untrue. I have removed it. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:43, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== Inside references. ==

Does this toon somehow contribute to the idea of Homestar wearing long pants?

The big shoes he held up go over his foot to where his ankles would be, but his shoe puppets only flapped like sandal soles with inlays for tongues.

== That's a lot of emails ==
I'm not sure if this is more notable here or in [[Hremail 7]], if it's notable at all, but if this the two emails' numbering is taken at face value and Homestar was supposed to have checked 1,993 emails between 2001 and 2009 (assuming this email isn't taking place "in the future", which there's no evidence of) he'd having to be checking on average somewhere between four and five emails a week over the course of eight years. Anyone think this is worth noting anywhere? - [[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 21:41, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
: The thing is, the numbering is intentionally wonking. There is no evidence he checked any emails besides the ones we have seen.
::I think jumping from 64, all the way to 2000 is a bit wonky. I think they should have had a more suttle number, like one in the mid hundreds.

== Compu-turds ==

Does any one but me fin it strange that from hremail 64, allo the way to hremail 2000 Homestar has the same computer? and why havent he seen hardly any Happy Hremail? I hate how the Brothers Chaps can really screw up time lines. [[User:Origonalname]]

:This talk page is for the discussion of the accompanying article on the wiki. The [http://forum.hrwiki.org/ forum] would be an appropriate place to bring this up. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 22:23, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
::I would do that, but I simply suck at making threads. It would be better if some one could who is better at that kind of stuff could do it, and then tell me.

Talk:email thunder

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== Poopsmith Lyrics? ==
:The unintelligible part of the transcript as of 7:35 AM is "The thought of all those emails (makes me weaaaak)."
:: I think its "Weep" because it's a verb and strong bad interruption "PUKE" would make better sense. (I don't know how to "weak") [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 14:46, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::If you listen to the mp3 at the end, you can tell that it is "weak". And "weak" is not a verb, its an adjective. You don't "weak" you "be weak" -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]]
::::Wow, the battle of dumb-butts. Clearly "I don't know how to 'weak'" was his way of saying that he knows it's not a verb and hence doesn't think it fits in that context (which albeit an adjective also does). [[Special:Contributions/75.157.4.36|75.157.4.36]] 17:43, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Thank you 75.157.4.36... I guess sarcasm doesn't work too well online... Anywho, listened to the mp3 and it could go either "Weep" or "Weak", so I guess it's up to you to decide. Maybe TMBG are the only ones who know for sure [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 18:55, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::Taking horse tranquilizers makes me weak. I thought it was weak too, and I think it makes sense - {{User:Wecannotbesaved/sig}} 19:37, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Listen to the mp3 easter egg, guys. It as a a '''''very''''' clearly pronounced WEA'''K'''. {{User:Supuhstar}} 19:52, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::::So... we know that it is in fact "weak" now, right guys? Because it makes sense with the whole line about how all those emails are "exhausting just to think about", and exhausting and weak are kind of related. {{User:Acam30/sig}} 12:10, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
: I thought it was "weep". [[User:StarFox|StarFox]] 19:01, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
::listen to the mp3, there can be no question. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:10, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I know that this discussion is over a month old, but I was on vacation when it started and I felt I should add input: TP says that it's "exhausting just to think about", and then says that the thought even almost makes him weak. You don't typically weep because you're exhausted. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
::::That was my reasoning too. ...it has been changed to "weak" now right? {{User:Acam30/sig}} 23:14, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::With the exception of a couple spans of a few seconds, it's always been "weak". {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:21, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::I instantly though of weep the first time I heard it. But weak really does make more sense.

== They might be giants? ==

At least one youtuber ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lwFy6MYP3Q ) thinks that the poopsmith's song was by they might be giants, can someone confirm/deny this? --The accountless avenger
:I'm pretty sure we can take the Brothers Chaps' word as truth when they say it's performed by They Might Be Giants. This band has done more than one song for homestarrunner.com. --[[User:DENNIS|DENNIS]] 20:10, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::It probably wasn't one of the Brothers Chap, as the Poopsmith's voice was heard in [[different town]] and [[senior prom]], and both times, he had a significantly lower voice.{{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 21:35, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Sorry; I wasn't thinking. John Linnell was the voice of The Poopsmith, as stated in the article. --{{User:DENNIS/sig}} 21:57, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Also, the musical performance is not very TBC, it's not like Linnell dubbed over TBC's tracks. This is also not stylistically like TBC, it's fairly safe to assume TMBG wrote and recorded this for them. TBC may have written the lyrics, however, we have no way to tell right now. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:26, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
It's in the easter egg. Click the letter "s" on "Strong Bad Emails" and you will see that it's true.{{User:Supuhstar}} 18:51, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== HREmails ==
Check out http://www.homestarrunner.com/hremail49.html and http://www.homestarrunner.com/hremail24.html

:Whaaaa.... WHERE'D YOU GET THOSE?!?!?!? -[[Special:Contributions/207.206.238.188|207.206.238.188]]
::Ah-hah, I get it. One comes from the email, and the other comes from the first one. Haha. --{{User:Color Printer/sig}} 13:06, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::: Oh, right. "What do you ladies think this is, HREmail 24?" Ha. -[[Special:Contributions/207.206.238.188|207.206.238.188]]
::::Added to the EasterEggs Section. [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 14:06, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Added them to the "Secret Pages" section too... but if some one knows how to upload screenshots, they need them [[Secret_Pages|here]] [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 14:24, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::I would have never new about those if it wasn't mentioned on this wiki. Thanks man.

== Last? ==

Did you guys think this is the last sbemail?

argh. is homestarrunner broken, guys? none of the pages are getting past the loading screen for me...:( [[Special:Contributions/76.114.174.169|76.114.174.169]] 14:46, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

:Same here... Maybe someone should put up a mirror of the episode for us lesser mortals. --The accountless avenger.

::me to -Dr. savage but im to lazy to log on
but... BUT I DON'T WANT HREMAILS!!! I WANT SBEMAILS!!!!! {{User:Haldo/sig}}

: #1 this is forum talk #2 no this will not be the last one -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]]
::How does thou knowest thy beloved sbemails shall not become hremails? --[[User:DENNIS|DENNIS]] 20:12, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Again, a forum discussion. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:27, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Homestarrunner.com will be a lot different without sbemails. They were the funniest cartoons on the whole site. I'm gonna miss them. Brothers Chaps, WHY MUST YOU TORTURE US?!!??
:Yeah, no more sbemails. it was even confirmed in the commentary of this email.

== Sending an email to DJmankiewicz ==

When you actually send an email to "Homestar" (DJmankiewicz@homestarrunner.com), you get this e-mail back instantly.

Subject: My Inbox Runneth Ova!
Oh, hello everyone! For some unknown reason I'm getting this big cavalcanche of emails all of the sudden. They're filling up the basement and I'm running out of paper towels! Just sit tight and hremails will be back to normal before you know it. And thanks again to everyone who participated in Bacon Pretend Week! Ron Staple you are a GENIUS!

Okay bye,
Homestar Runner

I didn't know if or where this should be mentioned on the wiki, so there it is. --[[Special:Contributions/139.225.204.42|139.225.204.42]] 15:06, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:I added it to [[Contacts]]. That place at least needed the address listed, and I figured it'd fit there best. --[[User:Mini-Geek|Mini-Geek]][[User_talk:Mini-Geek|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Mini-Geek|c]] 17:37, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

==Goof==
The "goof" for the 'ghosts' rollover has been fixed, but I'm too paranoid about the rules here to fix the article myself.--[[User:Flytape8490|Flytape8490]] 17:03, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:Rules are simple. 1) Make good faith edits. 2) If you do and screw it up, it'll get fixed no probala. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:28, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== Hooyah? ==

Strong Bad's exclamation is spelled about ten different ways in the transcription. Perhaps we should pick one spelling and stick to it? I don't know which one to use, though. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 18:18, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:What exclamation do you mean? --[[User:DENNIS|DENNIS]] 20:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::"Hooyah", of course. Or B'oyah. Or Whooyaha. Or however many other times it was spelled. I'm assuming it's the same phrase each time. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 22:02, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Where are you seeing this?--{{User:DENNIS/sig}} 22:40, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== Awwww ==

I wanted the Lappy to not make it out alive... and for the Zappy to take its place! {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}}
:First, this comment is more appropriate for the forum. Also, it's only been about a year since [[accent]], not five. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:34, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::Who says that it has to be exactly five years? Strong Sad said the fast-forward was IN five years. That doesn't mean that the new computer can't happen 4 years before that clip. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}}

== GILTH ==

im sorry i cant spell gilth but every time i go to the sbemail it just stops at when strong bad is pouring moutain folder shold we put it in the article?
:There was a server error at homestarrunner.com, which has since been fixed. If you need anymore help, please be sure to tell me on my talk page. --{{User:DENNIS/sig}} 22:38, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

hey evertime i go to it stays on loading what should i do?
:Though this comment is misplaced, my computer also won't let me watch the email past the loading screen. And it's been doing this since 6 am central this morning. Anybody find a way to fix this? {{User:Acam30/sig}} 02:19, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::It did that when I tried to access it yesterday, but I rebooted and it worked again. perhaps the server bug is back. --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 18:24, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::Have you tried refreshing the page? --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 18:35, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== Thunder ==

Shouldnt the name be Thunder
:It's called "email thunder" on the email list. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:16, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== MP3 no worky ==

Downloaded MP3 with Vista, no sound. File plays but is silent. Ideas? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:1. Make sure your speakers are plugged in and on.
:2. Make sure the system volume is on. Sometimes the Wave volume is muted. Go into the advanced volume window and unmute Wave sound.
:If you need any more help, tell me on my talk page. --{{User:DENNIS/sig}} 22:36, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::Worky now. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:06, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== 404'd ==

When I go to http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemailtwohundred.html, it comes up as a 404'd. The only way I've been able to watch the dang thing is if I go to the flash file. I'm not the only one with this problem. What up? {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}
:It works fine here, so the most likely thing is a problem with a server between you and theirs. Clear your cache, reboot, and try again. It may just be a waiting thing. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:22, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::I did a hard reload while on the page and it's fine now. Thanks! (can't believe I didn't think to do that before...) {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}

== Homestar's personal favorites ==

So does anyone else think the scene with Homestar flashing back to previous e-mails was a reference to [[personal favorites]]? Like that one, it starts with two real e-mails then he starts making things up... -[[User:ComputerBox|ComputerBox]] 00:15, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:That's the first thing I had thought of when I saw it.--[[User:Flytape8490|Flytape8490]] 00:20, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::This is already noted on the page. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:24, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== Email 200 ==

http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail200.html

Check it out! Not sure where it should be mentioned, hidden pages I bet. - {{User:Wecannotbesaved/sig}} 00:42, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:It's mentioned here: [[Page Load Error]]. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 00:51, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== Limozeen's Congratulations ==

Is it possible to watch the Limozeen scene as a separate flash file? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 01:36, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:[[HR:sbemail200_zeen.swf|Yes]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:46, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== Inside references. ==

What about "Cinnimon beard?"
:I don't think the cinnamon beard is an inside reference, unless you can give an instance where cinnamon beards were used before. --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 18:27, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::[[Cinnamon|Ahem]]. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:31, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== Michelle? ==

I noticed that the referance explaination about the Poopsmith's Easter Egg has been changed from "My Michelle" (Guns'n Roses) to "Michelle" (The Beatles) and back. I don't know the first one, but the Beatles's Michelle song has completely different lyrics and I'm sure if the Easter Egg were to be a referance to that one, they would have included French, since that's the most recognizable part of the song. --[[User:Cass from Germany|Cass from Germany]] 06:37, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:I initially added the fact as being for Guns N' Roses because it was the [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Well%2C+well%2C+well%2C+my+Michelle%22+lyrics first thing Google returned], and the first link there seems to confirm it. But I've not actually heard either song, so I can't say myself which is right. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 06:42, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::The lyrics to the song "My Michelle" [http://www.lyrics007.com/Guns%20N'%20Roses%20Lyrics/My%20Michelle%20Lyrics.html] make it clear. While I first thought of the song by the Beatles, the lyrics "well, well, well" are just not in the song "Michelle" by the Beatles. To be clear: the references is to the Guns N' Roses song "My Michelle". Without a doubt. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 06:51, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Listen to "My Michelle" [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkVudkWC0k4 here], and to "Michelle" [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xl8YtgDAKc here]. One sucks, the other doesn't. In that order. =] {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 07:01, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Suckage is no criteria for wiki inclusion. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 14:09, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Plus it's subjective.--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 18:49, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

== Fun do part? ==

Don't you think that's what SB says?
:I'm pretty sure he says fondu. --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 18:28, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, there is no difference in pronounciation between fondue and fun do, the later seems to make s little more sense, given the way SB looks at Coach Z... I mean Homestar.
:So... "Gone" and "Gun" are the same word? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:The thing on Coach Z's head is a fondu pot. --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 18:52, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::Fondue makes sense because Coach Z has a fondue pot on his head. That's what they are talking about - {{User:Wecannotbesaved/sig}} 20:30, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Ok, one last try - Coach Z is of course saying "fundue pot" (or trying to), but SB seems to be repeating what he heard "fun do part?!" than what Coach Z meant. Listen to it once again.
:I don't hear it. Does anyone else hear it? --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 16:45, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== Weak/Weep ==

I hear "Weep". Anyone else? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 08:42, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:The K sound is very distinct in the MP3. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 08:44, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::Ah, so it is. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 08:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== Really an email? ==

Tenchally strong bad never checked a email in the apprtl 200 sbemail so those it count are the tbc just fooling us your thouts
:Hmm, this actually might be a good point... we're treating this like it was the email... i wouldn't put it past TBC to come out with something REALLY huge next week and put it at [[HR:sbemail2hundred|sbemail2hundred]] or something like that, granted, this email DID feel a bit... sub-par for a milestone. I guess the question becomes what we do with this page if and when that happens... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:13, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::Strong Sad clearly defines this as the two hundredth email in his easter egg. Though it makes me sceptical that there wasn't any widescreen like the hundredth email. --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 18:31, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:::I realized this earlier, and came to the conclusion that, under '''Remarks''', it should be mentioned as the first sbemail in which no character ''answers'' an email.{{User:Supuhstar}} 18:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
It seems like a standard email check to me. Other than the grandiose entry, Strong Bad has a specific task to check his email. The fact that he gets sidetracked is pretty irrelevant. I'd compare it to [[huttah]], where the focus is far more about The Cheat than Strong Bad himself. Not an identical comparison, of course, since he does answer things. -- [[User:Organous|Organous]] 20:04, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:Aside from the fact that SB never actually reads an email? Or answers it in any way? Not even [[Emails Taken in a Different Direction|takes it in a different direction]]? Seems like a lack-of-email to me... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:14, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::Well, think of it this way: instead of Strong Bad taking it in a different direction, TBC took this email in a different direction by not having him answer it. All to say that I kind of doubt this anything but email 200; the fact that he never answered the email in the usual sense is likely meaningless. Strong Sad's Easter egg and the fact that you have the big list at the end of the email are pretty strong evidence. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 12:20, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:::I think that since it is linked to in the Sbemail page, then it most certainly is an email. {{User:WildFang/sig}} 17:15, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::::That proves nothing. It's not like they can't change the email menu later once they think that we think it IS an email. the [[retirement]]s were originally separate emails, why not the email 200s?... Look at the facts. There was no email checked, they had TWO teasers for this email, and then it ended up being a bit... bleh. Like, they were making this big deal out of it, and then it sort of... fizzled. And Heimstern, your claim that the evidence of the easter egg and the big list are really null, given that they could do those to make people think it really is. Besides, the egg might be taken as further evidence that they're messing with us. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:24, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

serioly think about it TBC next week have strong bad answer email 01 then the new paer tell him to wake up to do 200. genuis
:I have no idea what you just said. In [[Deliberately_Poor_English|English]] please. --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 23:08, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::Let's see if I can interpret. I'm well-versed in YouTube. I think he's saying that the next toon would be cool if it were of SB checking the first email, then New Paper comes down, telling him to wake up. He does, then actually checks email 200. {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}
:::I'd like to think that TBC ''would'' do something like that next week, because I was really dissapointed with this email. If that ''does'' happen, Maybe this page could be changed to [[Strong Bad Email 200 (Fake)]] or something. (P.S.: Come on [[User:Superfield Credit Union|Superfield Credit Union]], try to be nicer.) {{User:Acam30/sig}} 12:15, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Thanks for the translation, SuperfiedCreditUnion. I wouldn't put it past TBC to do something like that. --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 16:48, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Could [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=email_thunder&diff=592070&oldid=592054&rcid=550273 this] possibly be a proof of that? Very un-suspicious. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:04, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:I imagine that is simply just a goof, like how they haven't fixed the Toons remote improperly linking to Answering Machine 14 rather than 15.{{User:WildFang/sig}} 17:18, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::perhaps... perhaps not. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:24, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I have no idea how this long thread of pure speculation came to be. It's officially a sbemail, and if you want to speculate whether TBC will change their mind, then please do this on the forum. Thank you very much.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 17:40, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:In our role as stewards and documenterarians, it is not our place to interpret, it's our place to document what is. In this case, what is is that they called this sbemail 200 and it is. No further discussion is really needed. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 14:13, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
::Anyways, Strong Bad ''does'' check an email in this sbemail. Sure, it wasn't written to him, but it was obviously written to his email address. Heck, that's probably one of the reasons TBC chose this email to feature.
::As for Loafing and Qermaq: We can't report what we don't know for sure. I wouldn't say this is ''officially'' an email until sbemail201 comes out (or it is otherwise referenced on the site as an email). Just because it has sbemail in the url doesn't make it one. [[Not the 100th Email!!!|sbemail100]] anyone? {{User:Trlkly/sig}} 22:39, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::True, but Not the 100th Email wasn't in the list at the end of this email, and it didn't appear on the list of Emails on the Compy, and it wasn't listed as "sbemail 100!" on the main page. This got (the equivalent of) all of those. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:44, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Yeah. I missed all of that. Wow. Thanks for such a courteous reply. {{User:Trlkly/sig}} 00:57, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

==DJ Mankiewicz==
Is djmankiewicz@homestarrunner.com a reference to [http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Ben-Mankiewicz Ben Mankiewicz], or someone? {{User:ThePizz/sig}} 19:46, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:You might just have something there! Good work! --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 19:49, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:"Ben Mankiewicz is an American radio personality. He is Herman Mankiewicz's grandson and great-nephew of Joseph L. Mankiewicz [1]. a Radio Personality is the modern incarnation of the disk jockey, or DJ. In the 1990s, successful radio stations began to focus less on the musical expertise of their hosts and more on the individual hosts personalities. ... Herman Jacob Mankiewicz (November 7, 1897—March 5, 1953) was a Polish-American legendary Hollywood screenwriter. ... Joseph Leo Mankiewicz (February 11, 1909â€“February 5, 1993) was a Jewish-Polish-American Hollywood screenwriter, director and producer. ...
:"As of 2006, Mankiewicz is one of the hosts of the liberal talk show The Young Turks. On weekends, he also presents classic movies on the American cable television channel Turner Classic Movies."
:--{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 19:55, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::He's not a DJ, though. [[Wikipedia:Ben Mankiewicz|Ben Mankiewicz]]{{User:Loafing/sig}} 19:57, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:::He's a radio show host. That's almost a DJ. --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 23:10, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::::I thought the idea that one person had that it was a reference to [[Wikipedia:Joseph L. Mankiewicz|Director Joseph Mankiewicz]], who was even listed as DJMankiewicz in the list of {{p|l=http://www.condition.org/films2.htm 90's-and-back Memorable Films}}. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 02:09, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe Tom Manciewicz.

== hremail 24 ==

I was wondering if [http://www.homestarrunner.com/hremail24 hremail 24] was a reference to [[sbemail 22]]. In sbemail 22 it said in the end, "BANNED IN THE UK" and in hremail 24 it just said "BANNED FOR CONTENT." This might be a reference because 22 and 24 are obviously close numbers. I'm just saying. Don't call me stupid please.--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]][[Image:bowler derby.PNG|20px]] 20:03, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:Hmmm... Maybe. I agree. {{User:Ivoj Nob/sig}} 20:06, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::It's already mentioned on the page... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:10, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
As a side note, nobody is going to tell you you're stupid here. It's not like this is YouTube. (Haha!) {{User:Acam30/sig}} 16:06, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
:Stupid Acam, of course we don't ''tell'' stupid people they are stupid... but that doesn't mean we aren't ''calling'' them stupid. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 16:18, 27 September 2008 (UTC) (PS: <nowiki></sarcasm></nowiki>)
::You're both stupid! ;) Seriously though, this IS pointless... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:35, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

== Singer? ==

Is there any reason why the transcript of this email says singer instead of poopsmith when the poopsmith is singing?
--[[User:Nogain|Nogain]] 20:48, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:It was written as a spoiler warning, and also fits the toon, as you don't see it's the Poopsmith until almost all the way through the song. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:49, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== It's on iTunes? ==

The latest TMBG email says the following: "We are proud to announce that TMBG has contributed to the latest Strong Bad email at Homestar Runner. That's Strong Bad email #200, available for free on their amazing site www.homestarrunner.com or at iTunes."
I cannot find the email anywhere on iTunes. Please help. {{User:Einstein runner/sig}} 23:11, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:I guess they messed up and meant to say that you could watch Strong Bad Email on iTunes. Of course, that's not true anymore either, but maybe they never found that out. It's a little weird to think that we only have to wait 3 more weeks for the Podcast version to come, since it took us 10 months to get the Podcast of [[rough copy]], which was also released as a Podcast this year. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 23:22, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::I suspect they meant that the ''song'' in the opening to the email... is that available on iTunes? {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:59, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Why would they have it on iTunes when you can get it for free on homestarrunner.com? --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 16:52, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Or the Wiki! {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 18:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Actually, it would be a podcast on iTunes, which are free to download.--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 18:44, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

== Tilted Pixel Bugle? ==

Anyone notice that the pixels on the bugle at the beginning were tilted? [[Special:Contributions/75.134.82.158|75.134.82.158]] 19:04, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:Yup. TBC do that all the time.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 19:50, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== hremail/hwemail ==

Shouldn't it say hwemail instead of hremail when Homestar says it in the transcript, especially because of SB's "hwhatmail"? [[Special:Contributions/99.226.17.118|99.226.17.118]] 22:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

:It's typed out on the screen later in that scene as hremail. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 22:46, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::Transcripts always say the correct word, despite any speech impediments.--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 18:55, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

== S.S Pills? ==

It seems to me that Strong Sad's 'Pills' are becoming a recurring theme/inside joke, as Homestar said 'I accidentally took some of Strong Sad's Pills" while referring to [[long pants]]. In [[funny]] SS asked SB if he took his "pills' again. I think they deserve a page on the wiki. -Mooman72v2
:It only happened twice, and <s>this time was REFERRING DIRECTLY to that time.</s> i am a moron. hardly a running theme. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:29, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
::One more appearance and it would probably make a good article, but not at this point. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 04:43, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:::[[No Hands On Deck!]]: Strong Sad says, "I have ''got'' to get my prescription changed!" after Homestar appears in his bed. Time for [[Strong Sad's Medication]] to be created, maybe? Although we already have an article on [[drugs]]. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 19:56, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Yay! it worked! -Mooman72v2

I always found it a bother that anything, and I mean ANYTHING repeated on homestarrunner.com three times '''deserves''' an article. Never if only twice, and even if it's the most insignificant piece of information we could supply. They only give one or two sentences about it and the other 95% of the page is a sea of links telling where the information can be found. I think the topics should be significant enough they actually needs a page, wouldn't you agree? I hate to sound so judgemental but this is a problem.
:No i would not agree. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 14:35, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== TMBG t-shirt ==

They Might Be giants had a t-shirt around the Mink Car era that listed all of their song titles with the band name in the middle (that, just out of coincidence, I happen to be wearing right now), in a style that is nearly identical to the last frame of this email. Given that TMBG preform in this email, it seems likely that it's intentional.

A visual comparison would be nice, but I can't find a picture of it online, and I don't feel like taking a picture of myself this late.--{{User:Johnny Jupiter/sig}} 08:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

:This[[http://clients.choppingblock.com/archive/tmbg/img/songlist_shirt4.gif]] ? [[Special:Contributions/69.145.66.213|69.145.66.213]] 10:48, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

::Wow, how many people have listed their ouvure in this way? Way stretch. And no need of a picture of you, your resume will suffice.{{User:Qermaq/sig}} 14:17, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

== Poopsmith ==

The Poopsmith? ''Singing?'' *gasp*
:Yes. He sang, but unless you have something about the page to discuss, the forum might be better. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:02, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::He has a good voice. {{User:Ivoj Nob/sig}} 21:13, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Also forum type talk. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:14, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::::No. I will never ever go on the forum and never ever plever go there. {{User:Ivoj Nob/sig}} 21:18, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Then don't. No one is forcing you, and i never even said you should, but whether you go there or not, please don't post forum style comments ''here''. Please do not continue this thread. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:21, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::Check out that hidden message over thar. {{User:Ivoj Nob/sig}} 21:23, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
==Making Out With D-D-D==
[http://lh6.ggpht.com/Tustin2121/SN1sa7m5GkI/AAAAAAAAAKA/ULjSZs3ocUA/screencap.jpg]
Somebody found this, using a decompiler. Should someone put this in the Wiki as an easter egg?--[[Special:Contributions/70.190.0.24|70.190.0.24]] 21:32, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

"The requested URL /Tustin2121/SN1sa7m5GkI/AAAAAAAAAKA/ULjSZs3ocUA/screencap.jpg was not found on this server." {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:41, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:In other words, it doesn't exist. {{User:HRjcm/sig}} 22:01, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::The text, in full, reads as follows:
<blockquote>Oh...Steven! I think this may finally be it you guys! After 
200 emails I'm finally gonna get 
to make out with D-D-D </blockquote>
:Clearly, it's a scrapped reply to the beginning of the email that would've come before "D-D-D-Dear Homestar?!" --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:05, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::[http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/2637/200ha8.png Here's] a full image of what's available behind the black. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 22:47, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:::I wander if TBC intended Strong Bad to ignore the "Dear Homestar" part and fanisise about the email, but then he suddenly realises that the email is NOT for him, but cut it due to the length of the email. The Oh... Steven part would've been a reference to [[Eh! Steve!]] and to the fact that SB has never been seen [[Making Out]] with a girl. That would explain it better than DorianGray's blunt reply (no offence). {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 23:28, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
::::It's pretty clear that was the intention: he starts to fantasize about the email and he starts to brag about he'll get to make out with ''{notices}'' D-D-D-Dear ''HOMESTAR?!'' Though without better context, I think the Eh! Steve! connection is tenuous at best. So... why isn't this on the page? This is one of those behind-the-black things that SHOULD be mentioned. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:20, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Added it. {{User:ThePizz/sig}} 00:43, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Uh, did anybody else see the quote of the week? ;-)
:[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=email_thunder&diff=597540&oldid=597317 Yes we have.] --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

==Homestar's Keyboard==
Is it just me or is the keyboard on homestar's XO-1 majorly messed up - {{User:Wecannotbesaved/sig}} 20:00, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
:Could you give us an image of this? {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}}
::[[Image:Homestarkeyboard.png|thumb]]Here ya go - {{User:Wecannotbesaved/sig}} 02:27, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Appears to be a generic cartoon keyboard to me. What precisely is messed up? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:36, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
::::I see some edge displacements and some perspective errors considering key placements (they look as if you could be looking at keys shaped like trapeziums pointing down if you imagine yourself looking directly above it). I think that's what's being referred to here. [[User:Rexy|Rexy]] 12:17, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Look at the perspective of the keys above the space bar - {{User:Wecannotbesaved/sig}} 14:50, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::He's saying that the keys aren't in perfect squares, or even a uniform shape. But that's just a cartoon keyboard that possibly won't be seen again. It's not important to get it perfect. {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}
:::::::Well same with the rest of the goofs. - {{User:Wecannotbesaved/sig}} 17:49, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::SCU, if you're referring to me, I'm a "she". Don't worry, I'm used to these gender confusions by now :) [[User:Rexy|Rexy]] 18:55, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

== Strong Bad flipoff ==
[[Image:SB flipping off Homestar.png|thumb|Could it be??]]

Does anyone think that Strong Bad is flipping off Homestar Here? {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}}
:Unless explicitly stated, it is impossible to tell. He may be merely shaking his fist at him. Any other claims would be speculation. He does this kind of gesture all the time. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:27, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

== Everybody Knows It ==

This line is said by Homestar in the toon, the fact he says it with a strong emphasis and the fact it's a milestone makes me pretty much certain it's supposed to be an inside reference to the Puppet Jam of the same name.
:Or, he could just be saying a common phrase. Also,he puts emphasis on the words so he can get the point across that '''Everybody knows''' DJ-manke-whatever@homestarrunner.com is his email. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 12:12, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

== Email time warp ==

Anyone else notice that Homestar seems to be responding to Strong Bad's hremail before he sends it? I know it could be a coincidence, but the line HR writes is also the last one we here him say in response to that email. {{User:Trlkly/sig}} 01:04, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
: The line wasn't necessarily referring to Not-In-Front-Of-My-Computer. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:12, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::Maybe he calls every place a protected landmark with surprisingly clean restrooms.

== BAD? ==

'''Could this in fact be a bad sbemail?''' I think it is. An incredible rip off by the Bros. Chaps. I gotta hand it to ya guys, you dissapointed me.
:This is really something more suitable for the [http://forum.hrwiki.org forum], and TBC don't run this wiki, so you're kinda' talking to the air. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 16:58, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::Which is down, and has been for a little while. [[Special:Contributions/66.168.19.135|66.168.19.135]] 23:58, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Just because the forum is down doesn't mean talk pages automatically open up for opinions on the toon. Just wait until it's back up. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 00:00, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== anything ==

in [[anything]], homestar checks a sbemail for strong bad, but here, he checks hremails. just a little inconsistancy i found.
[[User:Dr. Savage|Dr. Savage]] 18:03, 5 October 2008 (UTC) 
:Sure, but in anything, the emails are on Strong Bad's computer and addressed to Strong Bad.--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 00:28, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== ok ==
NO THERES NOT A SBEMAIL 201, YES THERES IS GOING TO BE A HREMAILS {{User:Captcha/sig}}
: What makes you so sure? And with the two hremails that partially-exist now, how would they work around that? And is this really Wiki talk page material? (No, to that last one.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:53, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== Get oucha seat sound ==
When StrongBad asks everyone to sit down, the Git Outcha Seat Sound can be heard faintly. Is this worth mentioning on the page? --[[Special:Contributions/66.29.169.1|66.29.169.1]] 22:48, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
:Yes.

== Glitch from [[long pants]] ==

[[Image:email thunder-long pants glitch compare.png|left|thumb|1000px|A comparison between the glitched scene in [[email thunder]] (left) and the same one from [[long pants]] (right). Yellow circles indicate differences, red indicate glitches present in both.]]{{clear}}
As you can see here, the glitch was actually present in [[long pants]] and is just more visible here, due to the desk being a different shape, the colors being slightly brighter, and the carpet being higher. I'll leave this open to discussion for a bit before giving my opinion. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
:Okay, well, that failed. My opinion is that the glitch be reworded, and perhaps an enty should be added to the trivia section comparing the flashback scenes with their actual appearances. (And incidentally, this glitch is not actually mentioned on [[long pants]]. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:06, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
::I noticed that Strong Bad's left eye is larger in the long pants side. And I agree with you completely on the subject matter, DeFender. {{User:Strongkinghomsarsmith/sig}} 22:35, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

== Mike or Matt? ==

The Easter egg transcript says that Mike's voice interrupts Limozeen, but it doesn't sound a lot like Mike to me. It has that, well, bass quality, for lack of a better term, that Matt's voice has. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 03:24, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
:This is why I just wrote "a voice" when I initially transcribed them. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 03:49, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
::<del>It definitely sounds like Mike to me</del>... but "a voice" is fine too. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:::It's Matt. [[Youtube:FWi4u-Y3-sE|Here's]] a video that can help get an idea of which brother is which, and what they sound like. Heimstern described it pretty well. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 07:59, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Actually, yeah, the more I listen to it, the more it sounds like Matt. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 08:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Stylistically, i think "a voice" is the best way to write it, whether we know who it is or not. It's not like it's a character, the point of the joke is that it's just a random voice out of nowhere. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:06, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::Huh. When I first saw the email, I was sure it was Mike. However, just like Phlip, the more I listen to it, the more it sounds like Matt. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

==Bad Graphics==

Just a thought... TBC said in the store that the bad graphics ghost made an appearance... are they referring to the end? or was he in the email its self?
:As near as I can tell, the Bad Graphics Ghost only appears in the ending "hover over for character debut" egg. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:40, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

== The Paper is Back? The New Paper Dead? ==

You know at the end how [[The Paper]] comes back but a hole burns in the page? Isn't it technically still alive? After all only the paper burns, not the printer itself. Also, did The Paper actually, should we say, "kill" [[The New Paper]] when he beat it up? Which one will appear in the next sbemail? And if The Paper DID finish The New Paper off, will he come back in a later sbemail as did the Tandy and the Compy? Toon in next week for sbemail 201??
:At this point, we don't know. Remember, it's technically only speculation that there will even '''be''' a sbemail 201. This kind of speculation is better discussed at the forum... which is, unfortunately, closed at present. So, I'd say bring this up there when it reopens. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 10:26, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
::If watching the toon or reading the article doesn't answer your question, chances are we can't. We're just fans, we get our info the same way you do. {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}
:::No-No more sbemails? WAAAH! --Homestar tiger(HRFWiki)

== Is the reign of... ==

In the transcript (as well as the subtitle articles), Strong Sad "rolls" the "r" when saying "hremails." But it sounded like he's making a long, hard "h" sound when he says it. I know Matt can roll Rs easily as Strong Bad, Homestar, Larry Palaroncini, and even The Announcer (there might be other instances I skipped, though), but I've never heard him do it as Strong Sad. --[[User:Charlie Jr.|Charlie Jr.]] 16:48, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
:Never mind. Strong Sad can do it flawlessly with an Irish accent in [[Dangeresque 3: The Criminal Projective|the fourth SBCG4AP episode]], but I still think he pronounced hremails the same way some people would pronounce Hanukkah (or something). --[[User:Charlie Jr.|Charlie Jr.]] 22:17, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
::I hear a hard H sound as well. And being someone who can actually pronounce "Hanukkah", I have experience with such matters. (P.S. I can't wait for Hanukkah.) {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:24, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, thanks to the high quality sound on P*R and DVD, we can tell Strong Bad says Hhhhh-what-mail in the same fashion. Now can we pleeeeeease replace the '(rolls the R)' with something else?

== Questionable Deletion ==
''*As of November 23, 2008, it would've been 2 months, or 63 days since a new email was answered. This is the second longest interval between emails, with [[brianrietta]] still the longest at 71 days.''
I'm kinda uneasy about deleting this one, since brianrietta was an early Tandy era email, before TBC really started updating sbemails alot, so a huge delay in the Lappy era is quite notable, and email thunder's delay is only a week shorter than brianrietta's... is there a better way to word this and make it trivia? {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 16:59, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:Alternately, just wait another few days, and this one will then be the longest. Patience is a virtue. Provided they don't make another sbemail next Monday, that is. =) --[[User:Belthazar|Belthazar]] 21:57, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== "Strong Bad, how do you keep getting in here?" ==

There is sort of a reversal of rolls here. Usually Homestar gets into Strong Bad's house and Strong Bad asks how Homestar got in because HE is checking HIS email.
:Yep, that's the joke. See also [[Breaking and entering]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:47, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== print_of_it-not-exe? ==

After nearly three months, I've been curious about something. Strong Bad doesn't use the print command like he did in [[autobiography]]. Do you suppose the Lappy 486 and New Paper are incapable of doing this the same way the Compy 386 and The Paper did? We oughta add this in the remarks section. That'd be worthy of an inconsistency, wouldn't it? --[[User:Charlie Jr.|Charlie Jr.]] 23:04, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

== Transcript change ==

Can I get someone to distill a ogg audio from the homestar easter egg? Or at least listen to it again. I know I'm not the only person who doesn't think he says "Firewire" all three times. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.37|132.183.138.37]] 20:41, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

== THIS IS NOT THE LAST ==

NEW EVIDENCE: while watching this on podstar runner i noticed that at the end, when it shows the big list of all the emails, there is a "..." at the the end of email thunder. this could mean there will be more! i think i was the first to notice this. --[[User:Shaokahn280z|Shaokahn280z]] 21:20, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
:Any speculation about whether or not this is the last is pointless at present. we'll report what happens when it happens. Further discussion of this topic is better suited to the forum. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:24, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
::Ok im sorry i just kind of freaked when i saw that but I might have to face the truth of no more SBemails. --[[User:Shaokahn280z|Shaokahn280z]] 16:17, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

== Okay Fine! When will "it" happen? ==

It may be months before we either get A) another sbemail OR B) Official Confirmation that this is the end of sbemail. And knowing TBC, we may never get either of these. I keep trying to add a fact that states basically that this is either the longest delay between sbemails ever or that this is the last sbemail. One of these two facts is true and it has already reached noteworthy status. We will either get an email in which case this will be the longest delay on record, or we won't get an email in which case this is the end. But if the latter is the case, what sign are we looking for? When can we expect that sign? And how many more times is my edit going to be undone?

This is, in fact, the last sbemail. It is confirmed in the DVD commentary. There will be no more sbemails.

'''MATT:''' A millstone, Mike, a Millstone coffee. This email is like a cup of Millstone coffee.

'''MIKE:''' So, we still really haven't decided if there'll be more sbemails or not.

'''MATT:''' Oh, I've decided.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah?

'''MATT:''' Yeah, there won't be.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}'' There won't be?

'''MATT:''' Yeah, that's— we're done.

'''MIKE:''' Okay.

And

'''MATT:''' It's too bad this is the last email we're ever making.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah.

'''MATT:''' For sure, I decided right now, for certain, never again.

'''MIKE:''' Really?

'''MATT:''' ''{overlapping}'' Sorry.

'''MIKE:''' I bet by the time this DVD's out we will have made one already.

'''MATT:''' No.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}'' Alright.

'''MATT:''' I'm holdin' out.

'''MIKE:''' Okay.

'''MATT:''' I have a sore throat and dia— diarrhea.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}'' I'm sure everyone needed to know that.

--[[Special:Contributions/24.13.162.218|24.13.162.218]] 02:37, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

:As we've said several times, this is speculation. We have no way to know if TBC were serious in that commentary and there is no other way for us to know until they make a more official pronouncement or release a new sbemail. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 02:42, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
::There are no fewer than five topics about this same subject on this talk page *alone*. [[Seriously]], I think by this point, TBC *knew* panic and wild speculation would begin at this seemingly "final" SBEMail -- just as it has many, many times before -- and *intentionally* kept the status vague, just to let us stew. But one speculation is just as good as the next, and that's all *this* is, too. Heck, for all we know, there could be a new SBEMail *tomorrow*. It *does* mark the first Monday of 2009, after all, and what better time to break the silence? -{{User:YK/sig}} 02:50, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
:::I would just like to point out that people went through this exact same "crisis" between [[flashback]] (which I needn't remind anyone is the ''100th'' email), and [[car]], which came out almost a month after flashback did. True, that gap is considerably smaller than the one we're going through now, but the TBC definitely have a record for doing stuff like this. Just wait it out. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 04:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== DVD version ==

What do the paper and new paper say?--[[User:Mariofan1000|Mariofan1000]] 19:23, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:DorianGray wrote at [[Talk:strongbad_email.exe Disc Six]] that the only Papers whose text changed for DVD are the ones that appear at the very end of the email. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 20:02, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

== Not Strong Bad? ==

Is this the first email where Strong Bad isn't the first character under ''Cast (in order of appearance):''? If so, we should add that to the page. If not, we should add it to the page of the first one.--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 18:44, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:[[senior prom|No]], this is not the first such email, and I do not know whether that first email is "senior prom" or not. In any case, "This is the first Strong Bad Email where Strong Bad is not the first character to appear" is not a very notable or fun fact. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 18:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
::I agree. it seems irrelevant. (also, just as a side note, there was [[anything]] which came before [[senior prom]].) {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:55, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

== Not Strong Bad? (different) ==

I'm sure that this is the first sbemail where Strong Bad doesn't sing the intro song. Shouldn't that be on the page?--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 18:40, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
:[[anything]]. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:14, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
::But nobody sings in that email. What I meant was, the first email where someone else sings the song.--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 20:41, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
:::[[mile]]. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:33, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
::::IMO that's still Strong Bad, albeit PBTC.--{{User:T3H_CH3K7_888/sig}} 18:51, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Tigger? ==

What evidence is there that tail worn by Homestar when dressed up as Coach Z is a "Tigger" tail, rather than just a tiger tail? Tigger's tail looks pretty much just like a normal tiger tail, except that as I remember the Disney toons, Tigger's tail is characteristically ''flat'' on the end. The one in this toon is rounded. According to the DVD Commentary transcript, they refer to it as a tiger tail, and don't say anything about Tigger. I don't have the DVD, so I'm assuming the transcript here is accurate. If TBC did indeed say "Tigger" on the commentary, well that's indisputable. If they didn't, calling that tail a Tigger tail is total conjecture. [[Special:Contributions/98.222.134.36|98.222.134.36]] 01:22, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
:Except most tigers are yellow and black, not bright orange... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:39, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
::If I remember correctly, Shere Khan and Hobbes are bright orange. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 01:43, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
:::(And Tony.) Defender is right about ''real'' tigers (whose tails tend to be nearly white no matter how deep orange the tiger is), but when it comes to ''cartoon'' tigers, I think straight-up orange is much more common. And H*R is a cartoon. And I think it's important to stress that the tail in question lacks the characteristic flattened end of Tigger's tail. [[Special:Contributions/98.222.134.36|98.222.134.36]] 01:56, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Wow, i never realized how many bright orange cartoon tigers there are... now that i think about it, Exxon also had a tiger who looks like tony's cousin... yeah, i'm gonna have to go with definite '''could be any number of things'''. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:58, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

== A Question ==

Doesn't Homestar clearly tell Strong Bad about his e-mail show in Hremail 7? I know that Hremail 7 was made after this toon, but it was supposed to be, you know, like a parody of early toons made back in 2001 and all.

Talk:email thunder

Origonalname — Thu, 28 May 2009 13:55:24 GMT

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== Poopsmith Lyrics? ==
:The unintelligible part of the transcript as of 7:35 AM is "The thought of all those emails (makes me weaaaak)."
:: I think its "Weep" because it's a verb and strong bad interruption "PUKE" would make better sense. (I don't know how to "weak") [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 14:46, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::If you listen to the mp3 at the end, you can tell that it is "weak". And "weak" is not a verb, its an adjective. You don't "weak" you "be weak" -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]]
::::Wow, the battle of dumb-butts. Clearly "I don't know how to 'weak'" was his way of saying that he knows it's not a verb and hence doesn't think it fits in that context (which albeit an adjective also does). [[Special:Contributions/75.157.4.36|75.157.4.36]] 17:43, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Thank you 75.157.4.36... I guess sarcasm doesn't work too well online... Anywho, listened to the mp3 and it could go either "Weep" or "Weak", so I guess it's up to you to decide. Maybe TMBG are the only ones who know for sure [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 18:55, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::Taking horse tranquilizers makes me weak. I thought it was weak too, and I think it makes sense - {{User:Wecannotbesaved/sig}} 19:37, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Listen to the mp3 easter egg, guys. It as a a '''''very''''' clearly pronounced WEA'''K'''. {{User:Supuhstar}} 19:52, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::::So... we know that it is in fact "weak" now, right guys? Because it makes sense with the whole line about how all those emails are "exhausting just to think about", and exhausting and weak are kind of related. {{User:Acam30/sig}} 12:10, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
: I thought it was "weep". [[User:StarFox|StarFox]] 19:01, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
::listen to the mp3, there can be no question. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:10, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I know that this discussion is over a month old, but I was on vacation when it started and I felt I should add input: TP says that it's "exhausting just to think about", and then says that the thought even almost makes him weak. You don't typically weep because you're exhausted. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
::::That was my reasoning too. ...it has been changed to "weak" now right? {{User:Acam30/sig}} 23:14, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::With the exception of a couple spans of a few seconds, it's always been "weak". {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:21, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::I instantly though of weep the first time I heard it. But weak really does make more sense.

== They might be giants? ==

At least one youtuber ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lwFy6MYP3Q ) thinks that the poopsmith's song was by they might be giants, can someone confirm/deny this? --The accountless avenger
:I'm pretty sure we can take the Brothers Chaps' word as truth when they say it's performed by They Might Be Giants. This band has done more than one song for homestarrunner.com. --[[User:DENNIS|DENNIS]] 20:10, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::It probably wasn't one of the Brothers Chap, as the Poopsmith's voice was heard in [[different town]] and [[senior prom]], and both times, he had a significantly lower voice.{{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 21:35, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Sorry; I wasn't thinking. John Linnell was the voice of The Poopsmith, as stated in the article. --{{User:DENNIS/sig}} 21:57, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Also, the musical performance is not very TBC, it's not like Linnell dubbed over TBC's tracks. This is also not stylistically like TBC, it's fairly safe to assume TMBG wrote and recorded this for them. TBC may have written the lyrics, however, we have no way to tell right now. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:26, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
It's in the easter egg. Click the letter "s" on "Strong Bad Emails" and you will see that it's true.{{User:Supuhstar}} 18:51, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== HREmails ==
Check out http://www.homestarrunner.com/hremail49.html and http://www.homestarrunner.com/hremail24.html

:Whaaaa.... WHERE'D YOU GET THOSE?!?!?!? -[[Special:Contributions/207.206.238.188|207.206.238.188]]
::Ah-hah, I get it. One comes from the email, and the other comes from the first one. Haha. --{{User:Color Printer/sig}} 13:06, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::: Oh, right. "What do you ladies think this is, HREmail 24?" Ha. -[[Special:Contributions/207.206.238.188|207.206.238.188]]
::::Added to the EasterEggs Section. [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 14:06, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Added them to the "Secret Pages" section too... but if some one knows how to upload screenshots, they need them [[Secret_Pages|here]] [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 14:24, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::I would have never new about those if it wasn't mentioned on this wiki. Thanks man.

== Last? ==

Did you guys think this is the last sbemail?

argh. is homestarrunner broken, guys? none of the pages are getting past the loading screen for me...:( [[Special:Contributions/76.114.174.169|76.114.174.169]] 14:46, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

:Same here... Maybe someone should put up a mirror of the episode for us lesser mortals. --The accountless avenger.

::me to -Dr. savage but im to lazy to log on
but... BUT I DON'T WANT HREMAILS!!! I WANT SBEMAILS!!!!! {{User:Haldo/sig}}

: #1 this is forum talk #2 no this will not be the last one -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]]
::How does thou knowest thy beloved sbemails shall not become hremails? --[[User:DENNIS|DENNIS]] 20:12, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Again, a forum discussion. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:27, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Homestarrunner.com will be a lot different without sbemails. They were the funniest cartoons on the whole site. I'm gonna miss them. Brothers Chaps, WHY MUST YOU TORTURE US?!!??

== Sending an email to DJmankiewicz ==

When you actually send an email to "Homestar" (DJmankiewicz@homestarrunner.com), you get this e-mail back instantly.

Subject: My Inbox Runneth Ova!
Oh, hello everyone! For some unknown reason I'm getting this big cavalcanche of emails all of the sudden. They're filling up the basement and I'm running out of paper towels! Just sit tight and hremails will be back to normal before you know it. And thanks again to everyone who participated in Bacon Pretend Week! Ron Staple you are a GENIUS!

Okay bye,
Homestar Runner

I didn't know if or where this should be mentioned on the wiki, so there it is. --[[Special:Contributions/139.225.204.42|139.225.204.42]] 15:06, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:I added it to [[Contacts]]. That place at least needed the address listed, and I figured it'd fit there best. --[[User:Mini-Geek|Mini-Geek]][[User_talk:Mini-Geek|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Mini-Geek|c]] 17:37, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

==Goof==
The "goof" for the 'ghosts' rollover has been fixed, but I'm too paranoid about the rules here to fix the article myself.--[[User:Flytape8490|Flytape8490]] 17:03, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:Rules are simple. 1) Make good faith edits. 2) If you do and screw it up, it'll get fixed no probala. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:28, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== Hooyah? ==

Strong Bad's exclamation is spelled about ten different ways in the transcription. Perhaps we should pick one spelling and stick to it? I don't know which one to use, though. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 18:18, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:What exclamation do you mean? --[[User:DENNIS|DENNIS]] 20:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::"Hooyah", of course. Or B'oyah. Or Whooyaha. Or however many other times it was spelled. I'm assuming it's the same phrase each time. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 22:02, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Where are you seeing this?--{{User:DENNIS/sig}} 22:40, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== Awwww ==

I wanted the Lappy to not make it out alive... and for the Zappy to take its place! {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}}
:First, this comment is more appropriate for the forum. Also, it's only been about a year since [[accent]], not five. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:34, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::Who says that it has to be exactly five years? Strong Sad said the fast-forward was IN five years. That doesn't mean that the new computer can't happen 4 years before that clip. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}}

== GILTH ==

im sorry i cant spell gilth but every time i go to the sbemail it just stops at when strong bad is pouring moutain folder shold we put it in the article?
:There was a server error at homestarrunner.com, which has since been fixed. If you need anymore help, please be sure to tell me on my talk page. --{{User:DENNIS/sig}} 22:38, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

hey evertime i go to it stays on loading what should i do?
:Though this comment is misplaced, my computer also won't let me watch the email past the loading screen. And it's been doing this since 6 am central this morning. Anybody find a way to fix this? {{User:Acam30/sig}} 02:19, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::It did that when I tried to access it yesterday, but I rebooted and it worked again. perhaps the server bug is back. --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 18:24, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::Have you tried refreshing the page? --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 18:35, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== Thunder ==

Shouldnt the name be Thunder
:It's called "email thunder" on the email list. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:16, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== MP3 no worky ==

Downloaded MP3 with Vista, no sound. File plays but is silent. Ideas? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:1. Make sure your speakers are plugged in and on.
:2. Make sure the system volume is on. Sometimes the Wave volume is muted. Go into the advanced volume window and unmute Wave sound.
:If you need any more help, tell me on my talk page. --{{User:DENNIS/sig}} 22:36, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::Worky now. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:06, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== 404'd ==

When I go to http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemailtwohundred.html, it comes up as a 404'd. The only way I've been able to watch the dang thing is if I go to the flash file. I'm not the only one with this problem. What up? {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}
:It works fine here, so the most likely thing is a problem with a server between you and theirs. Clear your cache, reboot, and try again. It may just be a waiting thing. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:22, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::I did a hard reload while on the page and it's fine now. Thanks! (can't believe I didn't think to do that before...) {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}

== Homestar's personal favorites ==

So does anyone else think the scene with Homestar flashing back to previous e-mails was a reference to [[personal favorites]]? Like that one, it starts with two real e-mails then he starts making things up... -[[User:ComputerBox|ComputerBox]] 00:15, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:That's the first thing I had thought of when I saw it.--[[User:Flytape8490|Flytape8490]] 00:20, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::This is already noted on the page. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:24, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== Email 200 ==

http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail200.html

Check it out! Not sure where it should be mentioned, hidden pages I bet. - {{User:Wecannotbesaved/sig}} 00:42, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:It's mentioned here: [[Page Load Error]]. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 00:51, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== Limozeen's Congratulations ==

Is it possible to watch the Limozeen scene as a separate flash file? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 01:36, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:[[HR:sbemail200_zeen.swf|Yes]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:46, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== Inside references. ==

What about "Cinnimon beard?"
:I don't think the cinnamon beard is an inside reference, unless you can give an instance where cinnamon beards were used before. --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 18:27, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::[[Cinnamon|Ahem]]. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:31, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== Michelle? ==

I noticed that the referance explaination about the Poopsmith's Easter Egg has been changed from "My Michelle" (Guns'n Roses) to "Michelle" (The Beatles) and back. I don't know the first one, but the Beatles's Michelle song has completely different lyrics and I'm sure if the Easter Egg were to be a referance to that one, they would have included French, since that's the most recognizable part of the song. --[[User:Cass from Germany|Cass from Germany]] 06:37, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:I initially added the fact as being for Guns N' Roses because it was the [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Well%2C+well%2C+well%2C+my+Michelle%22+lyrics first thing Google returned], and the first link there seems to confirm it. But I've not actually heard either song, so I can't say myself which is right. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 06:42, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::The lyrics to the song "My Michelle" [http://www.lyrics007.com/Guns%20N'%20Roses%20Lyrics/My%20Michelle%20Lyrics.html] make it clear. While I first thought of the song by the Beatles, the lyrics "well, well, well" are just not in the song "Michelle" by the Beatles. To be clear: the references is to the Guns N' Roses song "My Michelle". Without a doubt. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 06:51, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Listen to "My Michelle" [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkVudkWC0k4 here], and to "Michelle" [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xl8YtgDAKc here]. One sucks, the other doesn't. In that order. =] {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 07:01, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Suckage is no criteria for wiki inclusion. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 14:09, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Plus it's subjective.--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 18:49, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

== Fun do part? ==

Don't you think that's what SB says?
:I'm pretty sure he says fondu. --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 18:28, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, there is no difference in pronounciation between fondue and fun do, the later seems to make s little more sense, given the way SB looks at Coach Z... I mean Homestar.
:So... "Gone" and "Gun" are the same word? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:The thing on Coach Z's head is a fondu pot. --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 18:52, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::Fondue makes sense because Coach Z has a fondue pot on his head. That's what they are talking about - {{User:Wecannotbesaved/sig}} 20:30, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Ok, one last try - Coach Z is of course saying "fundue pot" (or trying to), but SB seems to be repeating what he heard "fun do part?!" than what Coach Z meant. Listen to it once again.
:I don't hear it. Does anyone else hear it? --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 16:45, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== Weak/Weep ==

I hear "Weep". Anyone else? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 08:42, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:The K sound is very distinct in the MP3. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 08:44, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::Ah, so it is. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 08:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== Really an email? ==

Tenchally strong bad never checked a email in the apprtl 200 sbemail so those it count are the tbc just fooling us your thouts
:Hmm, this actually might be a good point... we're treating this like it was the email... i wouldn't put it past TBC to come out with something REALLY huge next week and put it at [[HR:sbemail2hundred|sbemail2hundred]] or something like that, granted, this email DID feel a bit... sub-par for a milestone. I guess the question becomes what we do with this page if and when that happens... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:13, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::Strong Sad clearly defines this as the two hundredth email in his easter egg. Though it makes me sceptical that there wasn't any widescreen like the hundredth email. --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 18:31, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:::I realized this earlier, and came to the conclusion that, under '''Remarks''', it should be mentioned as the first sbemail in which no character ''answers'' an email.{{User:Supuhstar}} 18:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
It seems like a standard email check to me. Other than the grandiose entry, Strong Bad has a specific task to check his email. The fact that he gets sidetracked is pretty irrelevant. I'd compare it to [[huttah]], where the focus is far more about The Cheat than Strong Bad himself. Not an identical comparison, of course, since he does answer things. -- [[User:Organous|Organous]] 20:04, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:Aside from the fact that SB never actually reads an email? Or answers it in any way? Not even [[Emails Taken in a Different Direction|takes it in a different direction]]? Seems like a lack-of-email to me... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:14, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::Well, think of it this way: instead of Strong Bad taking it in a different direction, TBC took this email in a different direction by not having him answer it. All to say that I kind of doubt this anything but email 200; the fact that he never answered the email in the usual sense is likely meaningless. Strong Sad's Easter egg and the fact that you have the big list at the end of the email are pretty strong evidence. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 12:20, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:::I think that since it is linked to in the Sbemail page, then it most certainly is an email. {{User:WildFang/sig}} 17:15, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::::That proves nothing. It's not like they can't change the email menu later once they think that we think it IS an email. the [[retirement]]s were originally separate emails, why not the email 200s?... Look at the facts. There was no email checked, they had TWO teasers for this email, and then it ended up being a bit... bleh. Like, they were making this big deal out of it, and then it sort of... fizzled. And Heimstern, your claim that the evidence of the easter egg and the big list are really null, given that they could do those to make people think it really is. Besides, the egg might be taken as further evidence that they're messing with us. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:24, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

serioly think about it TBC next week have strong bad answer email 01 then the new paer tell him to wake up to do 200. genuis
:I have no idea what you just said. In [[Deliberately_Poor_English|English]] please. --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 23:08, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::Let's see if I can interpret. I'm well-versed in YouTube. I think he's saying that the next toon would be cool if it were of SB checking the first email, then New Paper comes down, telling him to wake up. He does, then actually checks email 200. {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}
:::I'd like to think that TBC ''would'' do something like that next week, because I was really dissapointed with this email. If that ''does'' happen, Maybe this page could be changed to [[Strong Bad Email 200 (Fake)]] or something. (P.S.: Come on [[User:Superfield Credit Union|Superfield Credit Union]], try to be nicer.) {{User:Acam30/sig}} 12:15, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Thanks for the translation, SuperfiedCreditUnion. I wouldn't put it past TBC to do something like that. --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 16:48, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Could [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=email_thunder&diff=592070&oldid=592054&rcid=550273 this] possibly be a proof of that? Very un-suspicious. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:04, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:I imagine that is simply just a goof, like how they haven't fixed the Toons remote improperly linking to Answering Machine 14 rather than 15.{{User:WildFang/sig}} 17:18, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::perhaps... perhaps not. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:24, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I have no idea how this long thread of pure speculation came to be. It's officially a sbemail, and if you want to speculate whether TBC will change their mind, then please do this on the forum. Thank you very much.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 17:40, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:In our role as stewards and documenterarians, it is not our place to interpret, it's our place to document what is. In this case, what is is that they called this sbemail 200 and it is. No further discussion is really needed. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 14:13, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
::Anyways, Strong Bad ''does'' check an email in this sbemail. Sure, it wasn't written to him, but it was obviously written to his email address. Heck, that's probably one of the reasons TBC chose this email to feature.
::As for Loafing and Qermaq: We can't report what we don't know for sure. I wouldn't say this is ''officially'' an email until sbemail201 comes out (or it is otherwise referenced on the site as an email). Just because it has sbemail in the url doesn't make it one. [[Not the 100th Email!!!|sbemail100]] anyone? {{User:Trlkly/sig}} 22:39, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::True, but Not the 100th Email wasn't in the list at the end of this email, and it didn't appear on the list of Emails on the Compy, and it wasn't listed as "sbemail 100!" on the main page. This got (the equivalent of) all of those. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:44, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Yeah. I missed all of that. Wow. Thanks for such a courteous reply. {{User:Trlkly/sig}} 00:57, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

==DJ Mankiewicz==
Is djmankiewicz@homestarrunner.com a reference to [http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Ben-Mankiewicz Ben Mankiewicz], or someone? {{User:ThePizz/sig}} 19:46, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:You might just have something there! Good work! --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 19:49, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:"Ben Mankiewicz is an American radio personality. He is Herman Mankiewicz's grandson and great-nephew of Joseph L. Mankiewicz [1]. a Radio Personality is the modern incarnation of the disk jockey, or DJ. In the 1990s, successful radio stations began to focus less on the musical expertise of their hosts and more on the individual hosts personalities. ... Herman Jacob Mankiewicz (November 7, 1897—March 5, 1953) was a Polish-American legendary Hollywood screenwriter. ... Joseph Leo Mankiewicz (February 11, 1909â€“February 5, 1993) was a Jewish-Polish-American Hollywood screenwriter, director and producer. ...
:"As of 2006, Mankiewicz is one of the hosts of the liberal talk show The Young Turks. On weekends, he also presents classic movies on the American cable television channel Turner Classic Movies."
:--{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 19:55, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::He's not a DJ, though. [[Wikipedia:Ben Mankiewicz|Ben Mankiewicz]]{{User:Loafing/sig}} 19:57, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:::He's a radio show host. That's almost a DJ. --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 23:10, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::::I thought the idea that one person had that it was a reference to [[Wikipedia:Joseph L. Mankiewicz|Director Joseph Mankiewicz]], who was even listed as DJMankiewicz in the list of {{p|l=http://www.condition.org/films2.htm 90's-and-back Memorable Films}}. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 02:09, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe Tom Manciewicz.

== hremail 24 ==

I was wondering if [http://www.homestarrunner.com/hremail24 hremail 24] was a reference to [[sbemail 22]]. In sbemail 22 it said in the end, "BANNED IN THE UK" and in hremail 24 it just said "BANNED FOR CONTENT." This might be a reference because 22 and 24 are obviously close numbers. I'm just saying. Don't call me stupid please.--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]][[Image:bowler derby.PNG|20px]] 20:03, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:Hmmm... Maybe. I agree. {{User:Ivoj Nob/sig}} 20:06, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::It's already mentioned on the page... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:10, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
As a side note, nobody is going to tell you you're stupid here. It's not like this is YouTube. (Haha!) {{User:Acam30/sig}} 16:06, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
:Stupid Acam, of course we don't ''tell'' stupid people they are stupid... but that doesn't mean we aren't ''calling'' them stupid. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 16:18, 27 September 2008 (UTC) (PS: <nowiki></sarcasm></nowiki>)
::You're both stupid! ;) Seriously though, this IS pointless... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:35, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

== Singer? ==

Is there any reason why the transcript of this email says singer instead of poopsmith when the poopsmith is singing?
--[[User:Nogain|Nogain]] 20:48, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:It was written as a spoiler warning, and also fits the toon, as you don't see it's the Poopsmith until almost all the way through the song. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:49, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== It's on iTunes? ==

The latest TMBG email says the following: "We are proud to announce that TMBG has contributed to the latest Strong Bad email at Homestar Runner. That's Strong Bad email #200, available for free on their amazing site www.homestarrunner.com or at iTunes."
I cannot find the email anywhere on iTunes. Please help. {{User:Einstein runner/sig}} 23:11, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:I guess they messed up and meant to say that you could watch Strong Bad Email on iTunes. Of course, that's not true anymore either, but maybe they never found that out. It's a little weird to think that we only have to wait 3 more weeks for the Podcast version to come, since it took us 10 months to get the Podcast of [[rough copy]], which was also released as a Podcast this year. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 23:22, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::I suspect they meant that the ''song'' in the opening to the email... is that available on iTunes? {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:59, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Why would they have it on iTunes when you can get it for free on homestarrunner.com? --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 16:52, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Or the Wiki! {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 18:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Actually, it would be a podcast on iTunes, which are free to download.--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 18:44, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

== Tilted Pixel Bugle? ==

Anyone notice that the pixels on the bugle at the beginning were tilted? [[Special:Contributions/75.134.82.158|75.134.82.158]] 19:04, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:Yup. TBC do that all the time.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 19:50, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== hremail/hwemail ==

Shouldn't it say hwemail instead of hremail when Homestar says it in the transcript, especially because of SB's "hwhatmail"? [[Special:Contributions/99.226.17.118|99.226.17.118]] 22:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

:It's typed out on the screen later in that scene as hremail. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 22:46, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::Transcripts always say the correct word, despite any speech impediments.--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 18:55, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

== S.S Pills? ==

It seems to me that Strong Sad's 'Pills' are becoming a recurring theme/inside joke, as Homestar said 'I accidentally took some of Strong Sad's Pills" while referring to [[long pants]]. In [[funny]] SS asked SB if he took his "pills' again. I think they deserve a page on the wiki. -Mooman72v2
:It only happened twice, and <s>this time was REFERRING DIRECTLY to that time.</s> i am a moron. hardly a running theme. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:29, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
::One more appearance and it would probably make a good article, but not at this point. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 04:43, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:::[[No Hands On Deck!]]: Strong Sad says, "I have ''got'' to get my prescription changed!" after Homestar appears in his bed. Time for [[Strong Sad's Medication]] to be created, maybe? Although we already have an article on [[drugs]]. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 19:56, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Yay! it worked! -Mooman72v2

I always found it a bother that anything, and I mean ANYTHING repeated on homestarrunner.com three times '''deserves''' an article. Never if only twice, and even if it's the most insignificant piece of information we could supply. They only give one or two sentences about it and the other 95% of the page is a sea of links telling where the information can be found. I think the topics should be significant enough they actually needs a page, wouldn't you agree? I hate to sound so judgemental but this is a problem.
:No i would not agree. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 14:35, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== TMBG t-shirt ==

They Might Be giants had a t-shirt around the Mink Car era that listed all of their song titles with the band name in the middle (that, just out of coincidence, I happen to be wearing right now), in a style that is nearly identical to the last frame of this email. Given that TMBG preform in this email, it seems likely that it's intentional.

A visual comparison would be nice, but I can't find a picture of it online, and I don't feel like taking a picture of myself this late.--{{User:Johnny Jupiter/sig}} 08:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

:This[[http://clients.choppingblock.com/archive/tmbg/img/songlist_shirt4.gif]] ? [[Special:Contributions/69.145.66.213|69.145.66.213]] 10:48, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

::Wow, how many people have listed their ouvure in this way? Way stretch. And no need of a picture of you, your resume will suffice.{{User:Qermaq/sig}} 14:17, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

== Poopsmith ==

The Poopsmith? ''Singing?'' *gasp*
:Yes. He sang, but unless you have something about the page to discuss, the forum might be better. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:02, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::He has a good voice. {{User:Ivoj Nob/sig}} 21:13, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Also forum type talk. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:14, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::::No. I will never ever go on the forum and never ever plever go there. {{User:Ivoj Nob/sig}} 21:18, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Then don't. No one is forcing you, and i never even said you should, but whether you go there or not, please don't post forum style comments ''here''. Please do not continue this thread. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:21, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::Check out that hidden message over thar. {{User:Ivoj Nob/sig}} 21:23, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
==Making Out With D-D-D==
[http://lh6.ggpht.com/Tustin2121/SN1sa7m5GkI/AAAAAAAAAKA/ULjSZs3ocUA/screencap.jpg]
Somebody found this, using a decompiler. Should someone put this in the Wiki as an easter egg?--[[Special:Contributions/70.190.0.24|70.190.0.24]] 21:32, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

"The requested URL /Tustin2121/SN1sa7m5GkI/AAAAAAAAAKA/ULjSZs3ocUA/screencap.jpg was not found on this server." {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:41, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:In other words, it doesn't exist. {{User:HRjcm/sig}} 22:01, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::The text, in full, reads as follows:
<blockquote>Oh...Steven! I think this may finally be it you guys! After 
200 emails I'm finally gonna get 
to make out with D-D-D </blockquote>
:Clearly, it's a scrapped reply to the beginning of the email that would've come before "D-D-D-Dear Homestar?!" --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:05, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::[http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/2637/200ha8.png Here's] a full image of what's available behind the black. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 22:47, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:::I wander if TBC intended Strong Bad to ignore the "Dear Homestar" part and fanisise about the email, but then he suddenly realises that the email is NOT for him, but cut it due to the length of the email. The Oh... Steven part would've been a reference to [[Eh! Steve!]] and to the fact that SB has never been seen [[Making Out]] with a girl. That would explain it better than DorianGray's blunt reply (no offence). {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 23:28, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
::::It's pretty clear that was the intention: he starts to fantasize about the email and he starts to brag about he'll get to make out with ''{notices}'' D-D-D-Dear ''HOMESTAR?!'' Though without better context, I think the Eh! Steve! connection is tenuous at best. So... why isn't this on the page? This is one of those behind-the-black things that SHOULD be mentioned. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:20, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Added it. {{User:ThePizz/sig}} 00:43, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Uh, did anybody else see the quote of the week? ;-)
:[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=email_thunder&diff=597540&oldid=597317 Yes we have.] --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

==Homestar's Keyboard==
Is it just me or is the keyboard on homestar's XO-1 majorly messed up - {{User:Wecannotbesaved/sig}} 20:00, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
:Could you give us an image of this? {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}}
::[[Image:Homestarkeyboard.png|thumb]]Here ya go - {{User:Wecannotbesaved/sig}} 02:27, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Appears to be a generic cartoon keyboard to me. What precisely is messed up? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:36, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
::::I see some edge displacements and some perspective errors considering key placements (they look as if you could be looking at keys shaped like trapeziums pointing down if you imagine yourself looking directly above it). I think that's what's being referred to here. [[User:Rexy|Rexy]] 12:17, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Look at the perspective of the keys above the space bar - {{User:Wecannotbesaved/sig}} 14:50, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::He's saying that the keys aren't in perfect squares, or even a uniform shape. But that's just a cartoon keyboard that possibly won't be seen again. It's not important to get it perfect. {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}
:::::::Well same with the rest of the goofs. - {{User:Wecannotbesaved/sig}} 17:49, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::SCU, if you're referring to me, I'm a "she". Don't worry, I'm used to these gender confusions by now :) [[User:Rexy|Rexy]] 18:55, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

== Strong Bad flipoff ==
[[Image:SB flipping off Homestar.png|thumb|Could it be??]]

Does anyone think that Strong Bad is flipping off Homestar Here? {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}}
:Unless explicitly stated, it is impossible to tell. He may be merely shaking his fist at him. Any other claims would be speculation. He does this kind of gesture all the time. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:27, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

== Everybody Knows It ==

This line is said by Homestar in the toon, the fact he says it with a strong emphasis and the fact it's a milestone makes me pretty much certain it's supposed to be an inside reference to the Puppet Jam of the same name.
:Or, he could just be saying a common phrase. Also,he puts emphasis on the words so he can get the point across that '''Everybody knows''' DJ-manke-whatever@homestarrunner.com is his email. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 12:12, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

== Email time warp ==

Anyone else notice that Homestar seems to be responding to Strong Bad's hremail before he sends it? I know it could be a coincidence, but the line HR writes is also the last one we here him say in response to that email. {{User:Trlkly/sig}} 01:04, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
: The line wasn't necessarily referring to Not-In-Front-Of-My-Computer. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:12, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::Maybe he calls every place a protected landmark with surprisingly clean restrooms.

== BAD? ==

'''Could this in fact be a bad sbemail?''' I think it is. An incredible rip off by the Bros. Chaps. I gotta hand it to ya guys, you dissapointed me.
:This is really something more suitable for the [http://forum.hrwiki.org forum], and TBC don't run this wiki, so you're kinda' talking to the air. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 16:58, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::Which is down, and has been for a little while. [[Special:Contributions/66.168.19.135|66.168.19.135]] 23:58, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Just because the forum is down doesn't mean talk pages automatically open up for opinions on the toon. Just wait until it's back up. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 00:00, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== anything ==

in [[anything]], homestar checks a sbemail for strong bad, but here, he checks hremails. just a little inconsistancy i found.
[[User:Dr. Savage|Dr. Savage]] 18:03, 5 October 2008 (UTC) 
:Sure, but in anything, the emails are on Strong Bad's computer and addressed to Strong Bad.--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 00:28, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== ok ==
NO THERES NOT A SBEMAIL 201, YES THERES IS GOING TO BE A HREMAILS {{User:Captcha/sig}}
: What makes you so sure? And with the two hremails that partially-exist now, how would they work around that? And is this really Wiki talk page material? (No, to that last one.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:53, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== Get oucha seat sound ==
When StrongBad asks everyone to sit down, the Git Outcha Seat Sound can be heard faintly. Is this worth mentioning on the page? --[[Special:Contributions/66.29.169.1|66.29.169.1]] 22:48, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
:Yes.

== Glitch from [[long pants]] ==

[[Image:email thunder-long pants glitch compare.png|left|thumb|1000px|A comparison between the glitched scene in [[email thunder]] (left) and the same one from [[long pants]] (right). Yellow circles indicate differences, red indicate glitches present in both.]]{{clear}}
As you can see here, the glitch was actually present in [[long pants]] and is just more visible here, due to the desk being a different shape, the colors being slightly brighter, and the carpet being higher. I'll leave this open to discussion for a bit before giving my opinion. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
:Okay, well, that failed. My opinion is that the glitch be reworded, and perhaps an enty should be added to the trivia section comparing the flashback scenes with their actual appearances. (And incidentally, this glitch is not actually mentioned on [[long pants]]. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:06, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
::I noticed that Strong Bad's left eye is larger in the long pants side. And I agree with you completely on the subject matter, DeFender. {{User:Strongkinghomsarsmith/sig}} 22:35, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

== Mike or Matt? ==

The Easter egg transcript says that Mike's voice interrupts Limozeen, but it doesn't sound a lot like Mike to me. It has that, well, bass quality, for lack of a better term, that Matt's voice has. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 03:24, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
:This is why I just wrote "a voice" when I initially transcribed them. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 03:49, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
::<del>It definitely sounds like Mike to me</del>... but "a voice" is fine too. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:::It's Matt. [[Youtube:FWi4u-Y3-sE|Here's]] a video that can help get an idea of which brother is which, and what they sound like. Heimstern described it pretty well. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 07:59, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Actually, yeah, the more I listen to it, the more it sounds like Matt. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 08:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Stylistically, i think "a voice" is the best way to write it, whether we know who it is or not. It's not like it's a character, the point of the joke is that it's just a random voice out of nowhere. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:06, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::Huh. When I first saw the email, I was sure it was Mike. However, just like Phlip, the more I listen to it, the more it sounds like Matt. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

==Bad Graphics==

Just a thought... TBC said in the store that the bad graphics ghost made an appearance... are they referring to the end? or was he in the email its self?
:As near as I can tell, the Bad Graphics Ghost only appears in the ending "hover over for character debut" egg. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:40, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

== The Paper is Back? The New Paper Dead? ==

You know at the end how [[The Paper]] comes back but a hole burns in the page? Isn't it technically still alive? After all only the paper burns, not the printer itself. Also, did The Paper actually, should we say, "kill" [[The New Paper]] when he beat it up? Which one will appear in the next sbemail? And if The Paper DID finish The New Paper off, will he come back in a later sbemail as did the Tandy and the Compy? Toon in next week for sbemail 201??
:At this point, we don't know. Remember, it's technically only speculation that there will even '''be''' a sbemail 201. This kind of speculation is better discussed at the forum... which is, unfortunately, closed at present. So, I'd say bring this up there when it reopens. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 10:26, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
::If watching the toon or reading the article doesn't answer your question, chances are we can't. We're just fans, we get our info the same way you do. {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}
:::No-No more sbemails? WAAAH! --Homestar tiger(HRFWiki)

== Is the reign of... ==

In the transcript (as well as the subtitle articles), Strong Sad "rolls" the "r" when saying "hremails." But it sounded like he's making a long, hard "h" sound when he says it. I know Matt can roll Rs easily as Strong Bad, Homestar, Larry Palaroncini, and even The Announcer (there might be other instances I skipped, though), but I've never heard him do it as Strong Sad. --[[User:Charlie Jr.|Charlie Jr.]] 16:48, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
:Never mind. Strong Sad can do it flawlessly with an Irish accent in [[Dangeresque 3: The Criminal Projective|the fourth SBCG4AP episode]], but I still think he pronounced hremails the same way some people would pronounce Hanukkah (or something). --[[User:Charlie Jr.|Charlie Jr.]] 22:17, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
::I hear a hard H sound as well. And being someone who can actually pronounce "Hanukkah", I have experience with such matters. (P.S. I can't wait for Hanukkah.) {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:24, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, thanks to the high quality sound on P*R and DVD, we can tell Strong Bad says Hhhhh-what-mail in the same fashion. Now can we pleeeeeease replace the '(rolls the R)' with something else?

== Questionable Deletion ==
''*As of November 23, 2008, it would've been 2 months, or 63 days since a new email was answered. This is the second longest interval between emails, with [[brianrietta]] still the longest at 71 days.''
I'm kinda uneasy about deleting this one, since brianrietta was an early Tandy era email, before TBC really started updating sbemails alot, so a huge delay in the Lappy era is quite notable, and email thunder's delay is only a week shorter than brianrietta's... is there a better way to word this and make it trivia? {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 16:59, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:Alternately, just wait another few days, and this one will then be the longest. Patience is a virtue. Provided they don't make another sbemail next Monday, that is. =) --[[User:Belthazar|Belthazar]] 21:57, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== "Strong Bad, how do you keep getting in here?" ==

There is sort of a reversal of rolls here. Usually Homestar gets into Strong Bad's house and Strong Bad asks how Homestar got in because HE is checking HIS email.
:Yep, that's the joke. See also [[Breaking and entering]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:47, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== print_of_it-not-exe? ==

After nearly three months, I've been curious about something. Strong Bad doesn't use the print command like he did in [[autobiography]]. Do you suppose the Lappy 486 and New Paper are incapable of doing this the same way the Compy 386 and The Paper did? We oughta add this in the remarks section. That'd be worthy of an inconsistency, wouldn't it? --[[User:Charlie Jr.|Charlie Jr.]] 23:04, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

== Transcript change ==

Can I get someone to distill a ogg audio from the homestar easter egg? Or at least listen to it again. I know I'm not the only person who doesn't think he says "Firewire" all three times. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.37|132.183.138.37]] 20:41, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

== THIS IS NOT THE LAST ==

NEW EVIDENCE: while watching this on podstar runner i noticed that at the end, when it shows the big list of all the emails, there is a "..." at the the end of email thunder. this could mean there will be more! i think i was the first to notice this. --[[User:Shaokahn280z|Shaokahn280z]] 21:20, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
:Any speculation about whether or not this is the last is pointless at present. we'll report what happens when it happens. Further discussion of this topic is better suited to the forum. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:24, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
::Ok im sorry i just kind of freaked when i saw that but I might have to face the truth of no more SBemails. --[[User:Shaokahn280z|Shaokahn280z]] 16:17, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

== Okay Fine! When will "it" happen? ==

It may be months before we either get A) another sbemail OR B) Official Confirmation that this is the end of sbemail. And knowing TBC, we may never get either of these. I keep trying to add a fact that states basically that this is either the longest delay between sbemails ever or that this is the last sbemail. One of these two facts is true and it has already reached noteworthy status. We will either get an email in which case this will be the longest delay on record, or we won't get an email in which case this is the end. But if the latter is the case, what sign are we looking for? When can we expect that sign? And how many more times is my edit going to be undone?

This is, in fact, the last sbemail. It is confirmed in the DVD commentary. There will be no more sbemails.

'''MATT:''' A millstone, Mike, a Millstone coffee. This email is like a cup of Millstone coffee.

'''MIKE:''' So, we still really haven't decided if there'll be more sbemails or not.

'''MATT:''' Oh, I've decided.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah?

'''MATT:''' Yeah, there won't be.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}'' There won't be?

'''MATT:''' Yeah, that's— we're done.

'''MIKE:''' Okay.

And

'''MATT:''' It's too bad this is the last email we're ever making.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah.

'''MATT:''' For sure, I decided right now, for certain, never again.

'''MIKE:''' Really?

'''MATT:''' ''{overlapping}'' Sorry.

'''MIKE:''' I bet by the time this DVD's out we will have made one already.

'''MATT:''' No.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}'' Alright.

'''MATT:''' I'm holdin' out.

'''MIKE:''' Okay.

'''MATT:''' I have a sore throat and dia— diarrhea.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}'' I'm sure everyone needed to know that.

--[[Special:Contributions/24.13.162.218|24.13.162.218]] 02:37, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

:As we've said several times, this is speculation. We have no way to know if TBC were serious in that commentary and there is no other way for us to know until they make a more official pronouncement or release a new sbemail. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 02:42, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
::There are no fewer than five topics about this same subject on this talk page *alone*. [[Seriously]], I think by this point, TBC *knew* panic and wild speculation would begin at this seemingly "final" SBEMail -- just as it has many, many times before -- and *intentionally* kept the status vague, just to let us stew. But one speculation is just as good as the next, and that's all *this* is, too. Heck, for all we know, there could be a new SBEMail *tomorrow*. It *does* mark the first Monday of 2009, after all, and what better time to break the silence? -{{User:YK/sig}} 02:50, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
:::I would just like to point out that people went through this exact same "crisis" between [[flashback]] (which I needn't remind anyone is the ''100th'' email), and [[car]], which came out almost a month after flashback did. True, that gap is considerably smaller than the one we're going through now, but the TBC definitely have a record for doing stuff like this. Just wait it out. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 04:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== DVD version ==

What do the paper and new paper say?--[[User:Mariofan1000|Mariofan1000]] 19:23, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:DorianGray wrote at [[Talk:strongbad_email.exe Disc Six]] that the only Papers whose text changed for DVD are the ones that appear at the very end of the email. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 20:02, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

== Not Strong Bad? ==

Is this the first email where Strong Bad isn't the first character under ''Cast (in order of appearance):''? If so, we should add that to the page. If not, we should add it to the page of the first one.--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 18:44, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:[[senior prom|No]], this is not the first such email, and I do not know whether that first email is "senior prom" or not. In any case, "This is the first Strong Bad Email where Strong Bad is not the first character to appear" is not a very notable or fun fact. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 18:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
::I agree. it seems irrelevant. (also, just as a side note, there was [[anything]] which came before [[senior prom]].) {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:55, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

== Not Strong Bad? (different) ==

I'm sure that this is the first sbemail where Strong Bad doesn't sing the intro song. Shouldn't that be on the page?--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 18:40, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
:[[anything]]. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:14, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
::But nobody sings in that email. What I meant was, the first email where someone else sings the song.--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 20:41, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
:::[[mile]]. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:33, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
::::IMO that's still Strong Bad, albeit PBTC.--{{User:T3H_CH3K7_888/sig}} 18:51, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Tigger? ==

What evidence is there that tail worn by Homestar when dressed up as Coach Z is a "Tigger" tail, rather than just a tiger tail? Tigger's tail looks pretty much just like a normal tiger tail, except that as I remember the Disney toons, Tigger's tail is characteristically ''flat'' on the end. The one in this toon is rounded. According to the DVD Commentary transcript, they refer to it as a tiger tail, and don't say anything about Tigger. I don't have the DVD, so I'm assuming the transcript here is accurate. If TBC did indeed say "Tigger" on the commentary, well that's indisputable. If they didn't, calling that tail a Tigger tail is total conjecture. [[Special:Contributions/98.222.134.36|98.222.134.36]] 01:22, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
:Except most tigers are yellow and black, not bright orange... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:39, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
::If I remember correctly, Shere Khan and Hobbes are bright orange. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 01:43, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
:::(And Tony.) Defender is right about ''real'' tigers (whose tails tend to be nearly white no matter how deep orange the tiger is), but when it comes to ''cartoon'' tigers, I think straight-up orange is much more common. And H*R is a cartoon. And I think it's important to stress that the tail in question lacks the characteristic flattened end of Tigger's tail. [[Special:Contributions/98.222.134.36|98.222.134.36]] 01:56, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Wow, i never realized how many bright orange cartoon tigers there are... now that i think about it, Exxon also had a tiger who looks like tony's cousin... yeah, i'm gonna have to go with definite '''could be any number of things'''. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:58, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

== A Question ==

Doesn't Homestar clearly tell Strong Bad about his e-mail show in Hremail 7? I know that Hremail 7 was made after this toon, but it was supposed to be, you know, like a parody of early toons made back in 2001 and all.

Talk:email thunder

Origonalname — Thu, 28 May 2009 13:52:37 GMT

Origonalname: /* Poopsmith Lyrics? */

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== Poopsmith Lyrics? ==
:The unintelligible part of the transcript as of 7:35 AM is "The thought of all those emails (makes me weaaaak)."
:: I think its "Weep" because it's a verb and strong bad interruption "PUKE" would make better sense. (I don't know how to "weak") [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 14:46, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::If you listen to the mp3 at the end, you can tell that it is "weak". And "weak" is not a verb, its an adjective. You don't "weak" you "be weak" -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]]
::::Wow, the battle of dumb-butts. Clearly "I don't know how to 'weak'" was his way of saying that he knows it's not a verb and hence doesn't think it fits in that context (which albeit an adjective also does). [[Special:Contributions/75.157.4.36|75.157.4.36]] 17:43, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Thank you 75.157.4.36... I guess sarcasm doesn't work too well online... Anywho, listened to the mp3 and it could go either "Weep" or "Weak", so I guess it's up to you to decide. Maybe TMBG are the only ones who know for sure [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 18:55, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::Taking horse tranquilizers makes me weak. I thought it was weak too, and I think it makes sense - {{User:Wecannotbesaved/sig}} 19:37, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
Listen to the mp3 easter egg, guys. It as a a '''''very''''' clearly pronounced WEA'''K'''. {{User:Supuhstar}} 19:52, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::::So... we know that it is in fact "weak" now, right guys? Because it makes sense with the whole line about how all those emails are "exhausting just to think about", and exhausting and weak are kind of related. {{User:Acam30/sig}} 12:10, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
: I thought it was "weep". [[User:StarFox|StarFox]] 19:01, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
::listen to the mp3, there can be no question. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:10, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
:::I know that this discussion is over a month old, but I was on vacation when it started and I felt I should add input: TP says that it's "exhausting just to think about", and then says that the thought even almost makes him weak. You don't typically weep because you're exhausted. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:57, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
::::That was my reasoning too. ...it has been changed to "weak" now right? {{User:Acam30/sig}} 23:14, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
:::::With the exception of a couple spans of a few seconds, it's always been "weak". {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:21, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
::::::I instantly though of weep the first time I heard it. But weak really does make more sense.

== They might be giants? ==

At least one youtuber ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lwFy6MYP3Q ) thinks that the poopsmith's song was by they might be giants, can someone confirm/deny this? --The accountless avenger
:I'm pretty sure we can take the Brothers Chaps' word as truth when they say it's performed by They Might Be Giants. This band has done more than one song for homestarrunner.com. --[[User:DENNIS|DENNIS]] 20:10, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::It probably wasn't one of the Brothers Chap, as the Poopsmith's voice was heard in [[different town]] and [[senior prom]], and both times, he had a significantly lower voice.{{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 21:35, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Sorry; I wasn't thinking. John Linnell was the voice of The Poopsmith, as stated in the article. --{{User:DENNIS/sig}} 21:57, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Also, the musical performance is not very TBC, it's not like Linnell dubbed over TBC's tracks. This is also not stylistically like TBC, it's fairly safe to assume TMBG wrote and recorded this for them. TBC may have written the lyrics, however, we have no way to tell right now. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:26, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
It's in the easter egg. Click the letter "s" on "Strong Bad Emails" and you will see that it's true.{{User:Supuhstar}} 18:51, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== HREmails ==
Check out http://www.homestarrunner.com/hremail49.html and http://www.homestarrunner.com/hremail24.html

:Whaaaa.... WHERE'D YOU GET THOSE?!?!?!? -[[Special:Contributions/207.206.238.188|207.206.238.188]]
::Ah-hah, I get it. One comes from the email, and the other comes from the first one. Haha. --{{User:Color Printer/sig}} 13:06, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::: Oh, right. "What do you ladies think this is, HREmail 24?" Ha. -[[Special:Contributions/207.206.238.188|207.206.238.188]]
::::Added to the EasterEggs Section. [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 14:06, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Added them to the "Secret Pages" section too... but if some one knows how to upload screenshots, they need them [[Secret_Pages|here]] [[User:Javaguy78|Javaguy78]] 14:24, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== Last? ==

Did you guys think this is the last sbemail?

argh. is homestarrunner broken, guys? none of the pages are getting past the loading screen for me...:( [[Special:Contributions/76.114.174.169|76.114.174.169]] 14:46, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

:Same here... Maybe someone should put up a mirror of the episode for us lesser mortals. --The accountless avenger.

::me to -Dr. savage but im to lazy to log on
but... BUT I DON'T WANT HREMAILS!!! I WANT SBEMAILS!!!!! {{User:Haldo/sig}}

: #1 this is forum talk #2 no this will not be the last one -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]]
::How does thou knowest thy beloved sbemails shall not become hremails? --[[User:DENNIS|DENNIS]] 20:12, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Again, a forum discussion. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:27, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Homestarrunner.com will be a lot different without sbemails. They were the funniest cartoons on the whole site. I'm gonna miss them. Brothers Chaps, WHY MUST YOU TORTURE US?!!??

== Sending an email to DJmankiewicz ==

When you actually send an email to "Homestar" (DJmankiewicz@homestarrunner.com), you get this e-mail back instantly.

Subject: My Inbox Runneth Ova!
Oh, hello everyone! For some unknown reason I'm getting this big cavalcanche of emails all of the sudden. They're filling up the basement and I'm running out of paper towels! Just sit tight and hremails will be back to normal before you know it. And thanks again to everyone who participated in Bacon Pretend Week! Ron Staple you are a GENIUS!

Okay bye,
Homestar Runner

I didn't know if or where this should be mentioned on the wiki, so there it is. --[[Special:Contributions/139.225.204.42|139.225.204.42]] 15:06, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:I added it to [[Contacts]]. That place at least needed the address listed, and I figured it'd fit there best. --[[User:Mini-Geek|Mini-Geek]][[User_talk:Mini-Geek|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Mini-Geek|c]] 17:37, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

==Goof==
The "goof" for the 'ghosts' rollover has been fixed, but I'm too paranoid about the rules here to fix the article myself.--[[User:Flytape8490|Flytape8490]] 17:03, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:Rules are simple. 1) Make good faith edits. 2) If you do and screw it up, it'll get fixed no probala. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:28, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== Hooyah? ==

Strong Bad's exclamation is spelled about ten different ways in the transcription. Perhaps we should pick one spelling and stick to it? I don't know which one to use, though. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 18:18, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:What exclamation do you mean? --[[User:DENNIS|DENNIS]] 20:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::"Hooyah", of course. Or B'oyah. Or Whooyaha. Or however many other times it was spelled. I'm assuming it's the same phrase each time. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 22:02, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Where are you seeing this?--{{User:DENNIS/sig}} 22:40, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== Awwww ==

I wanted the Lappy to not make it out alive... and for the Zappy to take its place! {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}}
:First, this comment is more appropriate for the forum. Also, it's only been about a year since [[accent]], not five. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:34, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::Who says that it has to be exactly five years? Strong Sad said the fast-forward was IN five years. That doesn't mean that the new computer can't happen 4 years before that clip. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}}

== GILTH ==

im sorry i cant spell gilth but every time i go to the sbemail it just stops at when strong bad is pouring moutain folder shold we put it in the article?
:There was a server error at homestarrunner.com, which has since been fixed. If you need anymore help, please be sure to tell me on my talk page. --{{User:DENNIS/sig}} 22:38, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

hey evertime i go to it stays on loading what should i do?
:Though this comment is misplaced, my computer also won't let me watch the email past the loading screen. And it's been doing this since 6 am central this morning. Anybody find a way to fix this? {{User:Acam30/sig}} 02:19, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::It did that when I tried to access it yesterday, but I rebooted and it worked again. perhaps the server bug is back. --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 18:24, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::Have you tried refreshing the page? --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 18:35, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== Thunder ==

Shouldnt the name be Thunder
:It's called "email thunder" on the email list. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:16, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

== MP3 no worky ==

Downloaded MP3 with Vista, no sound. File plays but is silent. Ideas? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:17, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
:1. Make sure your speakers are plugged in and on.
:2. Make sure the system volume is on. Sometimes the Wave volume is muted. Go into the advanced volume window and unmute Wave sound.
:If you need any more help, tell me on my talk page. --{{User:DENNIS/sig}} 22:36, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::Worky now. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:06, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== 404'd ==

When I go to http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemailtwohundred.html, it comes up as a 404'd. The only way I've been able to watch the dang thing is if I go to the flash file. I'm not the only one with this problem. What up? {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}
:It works fine here, so the most likely thing is a problem with a server between you and theirs. Clear your cache, reboot, and try again. It may just be a waiting thing. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:22, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
::I did a hard reload while on the page and it's fine now. Thanks! (can't believe I didn't think to do that before...) {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}

== Homestar's personal favorites ==

So does anyone else think the scene with Homestar flashing back to previous e-mails was a reference to [[personal favorites]]? Like that one, it starts with two real e-mails then he starts making things up... -[[User:ComputerBox|ComputerBox]] 00:15, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:That's the first thing I had thought of when I saw it.--[[User:Flytape8490|Flytape8490]] 00:20, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::This is already noted on the page. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:24, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== Email 200 ==

http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail200.html

Check it out! Not sure where it should be mentioned, hidden pages I bet. - {{User:Wecannotbesaved/sig}} 00:42, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:It's mentioned here: [[Page Load Error]]. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 00:51, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== Limozeen's Congratulations ==

Is it possible to watch the Limozeen scene as a separate flash file? {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 01:36, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:[[HR:sbemail200_zeen.swf|Yes]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:46, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== Inside references. ==

What about "Cinnimon beard?"
:I don't think the cinnamon beard is an inside reference, unless you can give an instance where cinnamon beards were used before. --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 18:27, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::[[Cinnamon|Ahem]]. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:31, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== Michelle? ==

I noticed that the referance explaination about the Poopsmith's Easter Egg has been changed from "My Michelle" (Guns'n Roses) to "Michelle" (The Beatles) and back. I don't know the first one, but the Beatles's Michelle song has completely different lyrics and I'm sure if the Easter Egg were to be a referance to that one, they would have included French, since that's the most recognizable part of the song. --[[User:Cass from Germany|Cass from Germany]] 06:37, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:I initially added the fact as being for Guns N' Roses because it was the [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Well%2C+well%2C+well%2C+my+Michelle%22+lyrics first thing Google returned], and the first link there seems to confirm it. But I've not actually heard either song, so I can't say myself which is right. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 06:42, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::The lyrics to the song "My Michelle" [http://www.lyrics007.com/Guns%20N'%20Roses%20Lyrics/My%20Michelle%20Lyrics.html] make it clear. While I first thought of the song by the Beatles, the lyrics "well, well, well" are just not in the song "Michelle" by the Beatles. To be clear: the references is to the Guns N' Roses song "My Michelle". Without a doubt. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 06:51, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Listen to "My Michelle" [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkVudkWC0k4 here], and to "Michelle" [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Xl8YtgDAKc here]. One sucks, the other doesn't. In that order. =] {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 07:01, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Suckage is no criteria for wiki inclusion. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 14:09, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Plus it's subjective.--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 18:49, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

== Fun do part? ==

Don't you think that's what SB says?
:I'm pretty sure he says fondu. --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 18:28, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Well, there is no difference in pronounciation between fondue and fun do, the later seems to make s little more sense, given the way SB looks at Coach Z... I mean Homestar.
:So... "Gone" and "Gun" are the same word? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:The thing on Coach Z's head is a fondu pot. --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 18:52, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::Fondue makes sense because Coach Z has a fondue pot on his head. That's what they are talking about - {{User:Wecannotbesaved/sig}} 20:30, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Ok, one last try - Coach Z is of course saying "fundue pot" (or trying to), but SB seems to be repeating what he heard "fun do part?!" than what Coach Z meant. Listen to it once again.
:I don't hear it. Does anyone else hear it? --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 16:45, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== Weak/Weep ==

I hear "Weep". Anyone else? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 08:42, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:The K sound is very distinct in the MP3. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 08:44, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::Ah, so it is. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 08:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== Really an email? ==

Tenchally strong bad never checked a email in the apprtl 200 sbemail so those it count are the tbc just fooling us your thouts
:Hmm, this actually might be a good point... we're treating this like it was the email... i wouldn't put it past TBC to come out with something REALLY huge next week and put it at [[HR:sbemail2hundred|sbemail2hundred]] or something like that, granted, this email DID feel a bit... sub-par for a milestone. I guess the question becomes what we do with this page if and when that happens... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:13, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::Strong Sad clearly defines this as the two hundredth email in his easter egg. Though it makes me sceptical that there wasn't any widescreen like the hundredth email. --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 18:31, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:::I realized this earlier, and came to the conclusion that, under '''Remarks''', it should be mentioned as the first sbemail in which no character ''answers'' an email.{{User:Supuhstar}} 18:50, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
It seems like a standard email check to me. Other than the grandiose entry, Strong Bad has a specific task to check his email. The fact that he gets sidetracked is pretty irrelevant. I'd compare it to [[huttah]], where the focus is far more about The Cheat than Strong Bad himself. Not an identical comparison, of course, since he does answer things. -- [[User:Organous|Organous]] 20:04, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:Aside from the fact that SB never actually reads an email? Or answers it in any way? Not even [[Emails Taken in a Different Direction|takes it in a different direction]]? Seems like a lack-of-email to me... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:14, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::Well, think of it this way: instead of Strong Bad taking it in a different direction, TBC took this email in a different direction by not having him answer it. All to say that I kind of doubt this anything but email 200; the fact that he never answered the email in the usual sense is likely meaningless. Strong Sad's Easter egg and the fact that you have the big list at the end of the email are pretty strong evidence. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 12:20, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:::I think that since it is linked to in the Sbemail page, then it most certainly is an email. {{User:WildFang/sig}} 17:15, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::::That proves nothing. It's not like they can't change the email menu later once they think that we think it IS an email. the [[retirement]]s were originally separate emails, why not the email 200s?... Look at the facts. There was no email checked, they had TWO teasers for this email, and then it ended up being a bit... bleh. Like, they were making this big deal out of it, and then it sort of... fizzled. And Heimstern, your claim that the evidence of the easter egg and the big list are really null, given that they could do those to make people think it really is. Besides, the egg might be taken as further evidence that they're messing with us. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:24, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

serioly think about it TBC next week have strong bad answer email 01 then the new paer tell him to wake up to do 200. genuis
:I have no idea what you just said. In [[Deliberately_Poor_English|English]] please. --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 23:08, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::Let's see if I can interpret. I'm well-versed in YouTube. I think he's saying that the next toon would be cool if it were of SB checking the first email, then New Paper comes down, telling him to wake up. He does, then actually checks email 200. {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}
:::I'd like to think that TBC ''would'' do something like that next week, because I was really dissapointed with this email. If that ''does'' happen, Maybe this page could be changed to [[Strong Bad Email 200 (Fake)]] or something. (P.S.: Come on [[User:Superfield Credit Union|Superfield Credit Union]], try to be nicer.) {{User:Acam30/sig}} 12:15, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Thanks for the translation, SuperfiedCreditUnion. I wouldn't put it past TBC to do something like that. --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 16:48, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
Could [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=email_thunder&diff=592070&oldid=592054&rcid=550273 this] possibly be a proof of that? Very un-suspicious. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:04, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:I imagine that is simply just a goof, like how they haven't fixed the Toons remote improperly linking to Answering Machine 14 rather than 15.{{User:WildFang/sig}} 17:18, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::perhaps... perhaps not. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:24, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

I have no idea how this long thread of pure speculation came to be. It's officially a sbemail, and if you want to speculate whether TBC will change their mind, then please do this on the forum. Thank you very much.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 17:40, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:In our role as stewards and documenterarians, it is not our place to interpret, it's our place to document what is. In this case, what is is that they called this sbemail 200 and it is. No further discussion is really needed. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 14:13, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
::Anyways, Strong Bad ''does'' check an email in this sbemail. Sure, it wasn't written to him, but it was obviously written to his email address. Heck, that's probably one of the reasons TBC chose this email to feature.
::As for Loafing and Qermaq: We can't report what we don't know for sure. I wouldn't say this is ''officially'' an email until sbemail201 comes out (or it is otherwise referenced on the site as an email). Just because it has sbemail in the url doesn't make it one. [[Not the 100th Email!!!|sbemail100]] anyone? {{User:Trlkly/sig}} 22:39, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
:::True, but Not the 100th Email wasn't in the list at the end of this email, and it didn't appear on the list of Emails on the Compy, and it wasn't listed as "sbemail 100!" on the main page. This got (the equivalent of) all of those. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:44, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Yeah. I missed all of that. Wow. Thanks for such a courteous reply. {{User:Trlkly/sig}} 00:57, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

==DJ Mankiewicz==
Is djmankiewicz@homestarrunner.com a reference to [http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Ben-Mankiewicz Ben Mankiewicz], or someone? {{User:ThePizz/sig}} 19:46, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:You might just have something there! Good work! --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 19:49, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:"Ben Mankiewicz is an American radio personality. He is Herman Mankiewicz's grandson and great-nephew of Joseph L. Mankiewicz [1]. a Radio Personality is the modern incarnation of the disk jockey, or DJ. In the 1990s, successful radio stations began to focus less on the musical expertise of their hosts and more on the individual hosts personalities. ... Herman Jacob Mankiewicz (November 7, 1897—March 5, 1953) was a Polish-American legendary Hollywood screenwriter. ... Joseph Leo Mankiewicz (February 11, 1909â€“February 5, 1993) was a Jewish-Polish-American Hollywood screenwriter, director and producer. ...
:"As of 2006, Mankiewicz is one of the hosts of the liberal talk show The Young Turks. On weekends, he also presents classic movies on the American cable television channel Turner Classic Movies."
:--{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 19:55, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::He's not a DJ, though. [[Wikipedia:Ben Mankiewicz|Ben Mankiewicz]]{{User:Loafing/sig}} 19:57, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:::He's a radio show host. That's almost a DJ. --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 23:10, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::::I thought the idea that one person had that it was a reference to [[Wikipedia:Joseph L. Mankiewicz|Director Joseph Mankiewicz]], who was even listed as DJMankiewicz in the list of {{p|l=http://www.condition.org/films2.htm 90's-and-back Memorable Films}}. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 02:09, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
:Maybe Tom Manciewicz.

== hremail 24 ==

I was wondering if [http://www.homestarrunner.com/hremail24 hremail 24] was a reference to [[sbemail 22]]. In sbemail 22 it said in the end, "BANNED IN THE UK" and in hremail 24 it just said "BANNED FOR CONTENT." This might be a reference because 22 and 24 are obviously close numbers. I'm just saying. Don't call me stupid please.--[[User:Onestop|ONESTOP]][[Image:bowler derby.PNG|20px]] 20:03, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:Hmmm... Maybe. I agree. {{User:Ivoj Nob/sig}} 20:06, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::It's already mentioned on the page... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:10, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
As a side note, nobody is going to tell you you're stupid here. It's not like this is YouTube. (Haha!) {{User:Acam30/sig}} 16:06, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
:Stupid Acam, of course we don't ''tell'' stupid people they are stupid... but that doesn't mean we aren't ''calling'' them stupid. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 16:18, 27 September 2008 (UTC) (PS: <nowiki></sarcasm></nowiki>)
::You're both stupid! ;) Seriously though, this IS pointless... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:35, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

== Singer? ==

Is there any reason why the transcript of this email says singer instead of poopsmith when the poopsmith is singing?
--[[User:Nogain|Nogain]] 20:48, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:It was written as a spoiler warning, and also fits the toon, as you don't see it's the Poopsmith until almost all the way through the song. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:49, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

== It's on iTunes? ==

The latest TMBG email says the following: "We are proud to announce that TMBG has contributed to the latest Strong Bad email at Homestar Runner. That's Strong Bad email #200, available for free on their amazing site www.homestarrunner.com or at iTunes."
I cannot find the email anywhere on iTunes. Please help. {{User:Einstein runner/sig}} 23:11, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
:I guess they messed up and meant to say that you could watch Strong Bad Email on iTunes. Of course, that's not true anymore either, but maybe they never found that out. It's a little weird to think that we only have to wait 3 more weeks for the Podcast version to come, since it took us 10 months to get the Podcast of [[rough copy]], which was also released as a Podcast this year. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 23:22, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
::I suspect they meant that the ''song'' in the opening to the email... is that available on iTunes? {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:59, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Why would they have it on iTunes when you can get it for free on homestarrunner.com? --{{User:DENNIS/parapet}} 16:52, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::::Or the Wiki! {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 18:10, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Actually, it would be a podcast on iTunes, which are free to download.--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 18:44, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

== Tilted Pixel Bugle? ==

Anyone notice that the pixels on the bugle at the beginning were tilted? [[Special:Contributions/75.134.82.158|75.134.82.158]] 19:04, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
:Yup. TBC do that all the time.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 19:50, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

== hremail/hwemail ==

Shouldn't it say hwemail instead of hremail when Homestar says it in the transcript, especially because of SB's "hwhatmail"? [[Special:Contributions/99.226.17.118|99.226.17.118]] 22:22, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

:It's typed out on the screen later in that scene as hremail. {{User:GreenHelmet/sig}} 22:46, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
::Transcripts always say the correct word, despite any speech impediments.--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 18:55, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

== S.S Pills? ==

It seems to me that Strong Sad's 'Pills' are becoming a recurring theme/inside joke, as Homestar said 'I accidentally took some of Strong Sad's Pills" while referring to [[long pants]]. In [[funny]] SS asked SB if he took his "pills' again. I think they deserve a page on the wiki. -Mooman72v2
:It only happened twice, and <s>this time was REFERRING DIRECTLY to that time.</s> i am a moron. hardly a running theme. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:29, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
::One more appearance and it would probably make a good article, but not at this point. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 04:43, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
:::[[No Hands On Deck!]]: Strong Sad says, "I have ''got'' to get my prescription changed!" after Homestar appears in his bed. Time for [[Strong Sad's Medication]] to be created, maybe? Although we already have an article on [[drugs]]. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 19:56, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Yay! it worked! -Mooman72v2

I always found it a bother that anything, and I mean ANYTHING repeated on homestarrunner.com three times '''deserves''' an article. Never if only twice, and even if it's the most insignificant piece of information we could supply. They only give one or two sentences about it and the other 95% of the page is a sea of links telling where the information can be found. I think the topics should be significant enough they actually needs a page, wouldn't you agree? I hate to sound so judgemental but this is a problem.
:No i would not agree. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 14:35, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== TMBG t-shirt ==

They Might Be giants had a t-shirt around the Mink Car era that listed all of their song titles with the band name in the middle (that, just out of coincidence, I happen to be wearing right now), in a style that is nearly identical to the last frame of this email. Given that TMBG preform in this email, it seems likely that it's intentional.

A visual comparison would be nice, but I can't find a picture of it online, and I don't feel like taking a picture of myself this late.--{{User:Johnny Jupiter/sig}} 08:30, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

:This[[http://clients.choppingblock.com/archive/tmbg/img/songlist_shirt4.gif]] ? [[Special:Contributions/69.145.66.213|69.145.66.213]] 10:48, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

::Wow, how many people have listed their ouvure in this way? Way stretch. And no need of a picture of you, your resume will suffice.{{User:Qermaq/sig}} 14:17, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

== Poopsmith ==

The Poopsmith? ''Singing?'' *gasp*
:Yes. He sang, but unless you have something about the page to discuss, the forum might be better. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:02, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::He has a good voice. {{User:Ivoj Nob/sig}} 21:13, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:::Also forum type talk. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:14, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::::No. I will never ever go on the forum and never ever plever go there. {{User:Ivoj Nob/sig}} 21:18, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Then don't. No one is forcing you, and i never even said you should, but whether you go there or not, please don't post forum style comments ''here''. Please do not continue this thread. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:21, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::::::Check out that hidden message over thar. {{User:Ivoj Nob/sig}} 21:23, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
==Making Out With D-D-D==
[http://lh6.ggpht.com/Tustin2121/SN1sa7m5GkI/AAAAAAAAAKA/ULjSZs3ocUA/screencap.jpg]
Somebody found this, using a decompiler. Should someone put this in the Wiki as an easter egg?--[[Special:Contributions/70.190.0.24|70.190.0.24]] 21:32, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

"The requested URL /Tustin2121/SN1sa7m5GkI/AAAAAAAAAKA/ULjSZs3ocUA/screencap.jpg was not found on this server." {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:41, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:In other words, it doesn't exist. {{User:HRjcm/sig}} 22:01, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::The text, in full, reads as follows:
<blockquote>Oh...Steven! I think this may finally be it you guys! After 
200 emails I'm finally gonna get 
to make out with D-D-D </blockquote>
:Clearly, it's a scrapped reply to the beginning of the email that would've come before "D-D-D-Dear Homestar?!" --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:05, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
::[http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/2637/200ha8.png Here's] a full image of what's available behind the black. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 22:47, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
:::I wander if TBC intended Strong Bad to ignore the "Dear Homestar" part and fanisise about the email, but then he suddenly realises that the email is NOT for him, but cut it due to the length of the email. The Oh... Steven part would've been a reference to [[Eh! Steve!]] and to the fact that SB has never been seen [[Making Out]] with a girl. That would explain it better than DorianGray's blunt reply (no offence). {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 23:28, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
::::It's pretty clear that was the intention: he starts to fantasize about the email and he starts to brag about he'll get to make out with ''{notices}'' D-D-D-Dear ''HOMESTAR?!'' Though without better context, I think the Eh! Steve! connection is tenuous at best. So... why isn't this on the page? This is one of those behind-the-black things that SHOULD be mentioned. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:20, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::Added it. {{User:ThePizz/sig}} 00:43, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
Uh, did anybody else see the quote of the week? ;-)
:[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=email_thunder&diff=597540&oldid=597317 Yes we have.] --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:43, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

==Homestar's Keyboard==
Is it just me or is the keyboard on homestar's XO-1 majorly messed up - {{User:Wecannotbesaved/sig}} 20:00, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
:Could you give us an image of this? {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}}
::[[Image:Homestarkeyboard.png|thumb]]Here ya go - {{User:Wecannotbesaved/sig}} 02:27, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Appears to be a generic cartoon keyboard to me. What precisely is messed up? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:36, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
::::I see some edge displacements and some perspective errors considering key placements (they look as if you could be looking at keys shaped like trapeziums pointing down if you imagine yourself looking directly above it). I think that's what's being referred to here. [[User:Rexy|Rexy]] 12:17, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Look at the perspective of the keys above the space bar - {{User:Wecannotbesaved/sig}} 14:50, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::He's saying that the keys aren't in perfect squares, or even a uniform shape. But that's just a cartoon keyboard that possibly won't be seen again. It's not important to get it perfect. {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}
:::::::Well same with the rest of the goofs. - {{User:Wecannotbesaved/sig}} 17:49, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::::SCU, if you're referring to me, I'm a "she". Don't worry, I'm used to these gender confusions by now :) [[User:Rexy|Rexy]] 18:55, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

== Strong Bad flipoff ==
[[Image:SB flipping off Homestar.png|thumb|Could it be??]]

Does anyone think that Strong Bad is flipping off Homestar Here? {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}}
:Unless explicitly stated, it is impossible to tell. He may be merely shaking his fist at him. Any other claims would be speculation. He does this kind of gesture all the time. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:27, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

== Everybody Knows It ==

This line is said by Homestar in the toon, the fact he says it with a strong emphasis and the fact it's a milestone makes me pretty much certain it's supposed to be an inside reference to the Puppet Jam of the same name.
:Or, he could just be saying a common phrase. Also,he puts emphasis on the words so he can get the point across that '''Everybody knows''' DJ-manke-whatever@homestarrunner.com is his email. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 12:12, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

== Email time warp ==

Anyone else notice that Homestar seems to be responding to Strong Bad's hremail before he sends it? I know it could be a coincidence, but the line HR writes is also the last one we here him say in response to that email. {{User:Trlkly/sig}} 01:04, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
: The line wasn't necessarily referring to Not-In-Front-Of-My-Computer. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:12, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::Maybe he calls every place a protected landmark with surprisingly clean restrooms.

== BAD? ==

'''Could this in fact be a bad sbemail?''' I think it is. An incredible rip off by the Bros. Chaps. I gotta hand it to ya guys, you dissapointed me.
:This is really something more suitable for the [http://forum.hrwiki.org forum], and TBC don't run this wiki, so you're kinda' talking to the air. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 16:58, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
::Which is down, and has been for a little while. [[Special:Contributions/66.168.19.135|66.168.19.135]] 23:58, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
:::Just because the forum is down doesn't mean talk pages automatically open up for opinions on the toon. Just wait until it's back up. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 00:00, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

== anything ==

in [[anything]], homestar checks a sbemail for strong bad, but here, he checks hremails. just a little inconsistancy i found.
[[User:Dr. Savage|Dr. Savage]] 18:03, 5 October 2008 (UTC) 
:Sure, but in anything, the emails are on Strong Bad's computer and addressed to Strong Bad.--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 00:28, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

== ok ==
NO THERES NOT A SBEMAIL 201, YES THERES IS GOING TO BE A HREMAILS {{User:Captcha/sig}}
: What makes you so sure? And with the two hremails that partially-exist now, how would they work around that? And is this really Wiki talk page material? (No, to that last one.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:53, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

== Get oucha seat sound ==
When StrongBad asks everyone to sit down, the Git Outcha Seat Sound can be heard faintly. Is this worth mentioning on the page? --[[Special:Contributions/66.29.169.1|66.29.169.1]] 22:48, 6 October 2008 (UTC)
:Yes.

== Glitch from [[long pants]] ==

[[Image:email thunder-long pants glitch compare.png|left|thumb|1000px|A comparison between the glitched scene in [[email thunder]] (left) and the same one from [[long pants]] (right). Yellow circles indicate differences, red indicate glitches present in both.]]{{clear}}
As you can see here, the glitch was actually present in [[long pants]] and is just more visible here, due to the desk being a different shape, the colors being slightly brighter, and the carpet being higher. I'll leave this open to discussion for a bit before giving my opinion. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:25, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
:Okay, well, that failed. My opinion is that the glitch be reworded, and perhaps an enty should be added to the trivia section comparing the flashback scenes with their actual appearances. (And incidentally, this glitch is not actually mentioned on [[long pants]]. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:06, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
::I noticed that Strong Bad's left eye is larger in the long pants side. And I agree with you completely on the subject matter, DeFender. {{User:Strongkinghomsarsmith/sig}} 22:35, 19 October 2008 (UTC)

== Mike or Matt? ==

The Easter egg transcript says that Mike's voice interrupts Limozeen, but it doesn't sound a lot like Mike to me. It has that, well, bass quality, for lack of a better term, that Matt's voice has. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 03:24, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
:This is why I just wrote "a voice" when I initially transcribed them. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 03:49, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
::<del>It definitely sounds like Mike to me</del>... but "a voice" is fine too. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:::It's Matt. [[Youtube:FWi4u-Y3-sE|Here's]] a video that can help get an idea of which brother is which, and what they sound like. Heimstern described it pretty well. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 07:59, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
::::Actually, yeah, the more I listen to it, the more it sounds like Matt. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 08:28, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
:::::Stylistically, i think "a voice" is the best way to write it, whether we know who it is or not. It's not like it's a character, the point of the joke is that it's just a random voice out of nowhere. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:06, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::Huh. When I first saw the email, I was sure it was Mike. However, just like Phlip, the more I listen to it, the more it sounds like Matt. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:13, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

==Bad Graphics==

Just a thought... TBC said in the store that the bad graphics ghost made an appearance... are they referring to the end? or was he in the email its self?
:As near as I can tell, the Bad Graphics Ghost only appears in the ending "hover over for character debut" egg. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:40, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

== The Paper is Back? The New Paper Dead? ==

You know at the end how [[The Paper]] comes back but a hole burns in the page? Isn't it technically still alive? After all only the paper burns, not the printer itself. Also, did The Paper actually, should we say, "kill" [[The New Paper]] when he beat it up? Which one will appear in the next sbemail? And if The Paper DID finish The New Paper off, will he come back in a later sbemail as did the Tandy and the Compy? Toon in next week for sbemail 201??
:At this point, we don't know. Remember, it's technically only speculation that there will even '''be''' a sbemail 201. This kind of speculation is better discussed at the forum... which is, unfortunately, closed at present. So, I'd say bring this up there when it reopens. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 10:26, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
::If watching the toon or reading the article doesn't answer your question, chances are we can't. We're just fans, we get our info the same way you do. {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}
:::No-No more sbemails? WAAAH! --Homestar tiger(HRFWiki)

== Is the reign of... ==

In the transcript (as well as the subtitle articles), Strong Sad "rolls" the "r" when saying "hremails." But it sounded like he's making a long, hard "h" sound when he says it. I know Matt can roll Rs easily as Strong Bad, Homestar, Larry Palaroncini, and even The Announcer (there might be other instances I skipped, though), but I've never heard him do it as Strong Sad. --[[User:Charlie Jr.|Charlie Jr.]] 16:48, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
:Never mind. Strong Sad can do it flawlessly with an Irish accent in [[Dangeresque 3: The Criminal Projective|the fourth SBCG4AP episode]], but I still think he pronounced hremails the same way some people would pronounce Hanukkah (or something). --[[User:Charlie Jr.|Charlie Jr.]] 22:17, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
::I hear a hard H sound as well. And being someone who can actually pronounce "Hanukkah", I have experience with such matters. (P.S. I can't wait for Hanukkah.) {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:24, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
:::Well, thanks to the high quality sound on P*R and DVD, we can tell Strong Bad says Hhhhh-what-mail in the same fashion. Now can we pleeeeeease replace the '(rolls the R)' with something else?

== Questionable Deletion ==
''*As of November 23, 2008, it would've been 2 months, or 63 days since a new email was answered. This is the second longest interval between emails, with [[brianrietta]] still the longest at 71 days.''
I'm kinda uneasy about deleting this one, since brianrietta was an early Tandy era email, before TBC really started updating sbemails alot, so a huge delay in the Lappy era is quite notable, and email thunder's delay is only a week shorter than brianrietta's... is there a better way to word this and make it trivia? {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 16:59, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
:Alternately, just wait another few days, and this one will then be the longest. Patience is a virtue. Provided they don't make another sbemail next Monday, that is. =) --[[User:Belthazar|Belthazar]] 21:57, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

== "Strong Bad, how do you keep getting in here?" ==

There is sort of a reversal of rolls here. Usually Homestar gets into Strong Bad's house and Strong Bad asks how Homestar got in because HE is checking HIS email.
:Yep, that's the joke. See also [[Breaking and entering]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:47, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

== print_of_it-not-exe? ==

After nearly three months, I've been curious about something. Strong Bad doesn't use the print command like he did in [[autobiography]]. Do you suppose the Lappy 486 and New Paper are incapable of doing this the same way the Compy 386 and The Paper did? We oughta add this in the remarks section. That'd be worthy of an inconsistency, wouldn't it? --[[User:Charlie Jr.|Charlie Jr.]] 23:04, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

== Transcript change ==

Can I get someone to distill a ogg audio from the homestar easter egg? Or at least listen to it again. I know I'm not the only person who doesn't think he says "Firewire" all three times. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.37|132.183.138.37]] 20:41, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

== THIS IS NOT THE LAST ==

NEW EVIDENCE: while watching this on podstar runner i noticed that at the end, when it shows the big list of all the emails, there is a "..." at the the end of email thunder. this could mean there will be more! i think i was the first to notice this. --[[User:Shaokahn280z|Shaokahn280z]] 21:20, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
:Any speculation about whether or not this is the last is pointless at present. we'll report what happens when it happens. Further discussion of this topic is better suited to the forum. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:24, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
::Ok im sorry i just kind of freaked when i saw that but I might have to face the truth of no more SBemails. --[[User:Shaokahn280z|Shaokahn280z]] 16:17, 11 January 2009 (UTC)

== Okay Fine! When will "it" happen? ==

It may be months before we either get A) another sbemail OR B) Official Confirmation that this is the end of sbemail. And knowing TBC, we may never get either of these. I keep trying to add a fact that states basically that this is either the longest delay between sbemails ever or that this is the last sbemail. One of these two facts is true and it has already reached noteworthy status. We will either get an email in which case this will be the longest delay on record, or we won't get an email in which case this is the end. But if the latter is the case, what sign are we looking for? When can we expect that sign? And how many more times is my edit going to be undone?

This is, in fact, the last sbemail. It is confirmed in the DVD commentary. There will be no more sbemails.

'''MATT:''' A millstone, Mike, a Millstone coffee. This email is like a cup of Millstone coffee.

'''MIKE:''' So, we still really haven't decided if there'll be more sbemails or not.

'''MATT:''' Oh, I've decided.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah?

'''MATT:''' Yeah, there won't be.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}'' There won't be?

'''MATT:''' Yeah, that's— we're done.

'''MIKE:''' Okay.

And

'''MATT:''' It's too bad this is the last email we're ever making.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah.

'''MATT:''' For sure, I decided right now, for certain, never again.

'''MIKE:''' Really?

'''MATT:''' ''{overlapping}'' Sorry.

'''MIKE:''' I bet by the time this DVD's out we will have made one already.

'''MATT:''' No.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}'' Alright.

'''MATT:''' I'm holdin' out.

'''MIKE:''' Okay.

'''MATT:''' I have a sore throat and dia— diarrhea.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}'' I'm sure everyone needed to know that.

--[[Special:Contributions/24.13.162.218|24.13.162.218]] 02:37, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

:As we've said several times, this is speculation. We have no way to know if TBC were serious in that commentary and there is no other way for us to know until they make a more official pronouncement or release a new sbemail. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 02:42, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
::There are no fewer than five topics about this same subject on this talk page *alone*. [[Seriously]], I think by this point, TBC *knew* panic and wild speculation would begin at this seemingly "final" SBEMail -- just as it has many, many times before -- and *intentionally* kept the status vague, just to let us stew. But one speculation is just as good as the next, and that's all *this* is, too. Heck, for all we know, there could be a new SBEMail *tomorrow*. It *does* mark the first Monday of 2009, after all, and what better time to break the silence? -{{User:YK/sig}} 02:50, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
:::I would just like to point out that people went through this exact same "crisis" between [[flashback]] (which I needn't remind anyone is the ''100th'' email), and [[car]], which came out almost a month after flashback did. True, that gap is considerably smaller than the one we're going through now, but the TBC definitely have a record for doing stuff like this. Just wait it out. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 04:55, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

== DVD version ==

What do the paper and new paper say?--[[User:Mariofan1000|Mariofan1000]] 19:23, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:DorianGray wrote at [[Talk:strongbad_email.exe Disc Six]] that the only Papers whose text changed for DVD are the ones that appear at the very end of the email. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 20:02, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

== Not Strong Bad? ==

Is this the first email where Strong Bad isn't the first character under ''Cast (in order of appearance):''? If so, we should add that to the page. If not, we should add it to the page of the first one.--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 18:44, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
:[[senior prom|No]], this is not the first such email, and I do not know whether that first email is "senior prom" or not. In any case, "This is the first Strong Bad Email where Strong Bad is not the first character to appear" is not a very notable or fun fact. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 18:54, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
::I agree. it seems irrelevant. (also, just as a side note, there was [[anything]] which came before [[senior prom]].) {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:55, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

== Not Strong Bad? (different) ==

I'm sure that this is the first sbemail where Strong Bad doesn't sing the intro song. Shouldn't that be on the page?--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 18:40, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
:[[anything]]. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:14, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
::But nobody sings in that email. What I meant was, the first email where someone else sings the song.--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 20:41, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
:::[[mile]]. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:33, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
::::IMO that's still Strong Bad, albeit PBTC.--{{User:T3H_CH3K7_888/sig}} 18:51, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Tigger? ==

What evidence is there that tail worn by Homestar when dressed up as Coach Z is a "Tigger" tail, rather than just a tiger tail? Tigger's tail looks pretty much just like a normal tiger tail, except that as I remember the Disney toons, Tigger's tail is characteristically ''flat'' on the end. The one in this toon is rounded. According to the DVD Commentary transcript, they refer to it as a tiger tail, and don't say anything about Tigger. I don't have the DVD, so I'm assuming the transcript here is accurate. If TBC did indeed say "Tigger" on the commentary, well that's indisputable. If they didn't, calling that tail a Tigger tail is total conjecture. [[Special:Contributions/98.222.134.36|98.222.134.36]] 01:22, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
:Except most tigers are yellow and black, not bright orange... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:39, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
::If I remember correctly, Shere Khan and Hobbes are bright orange. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 01:43, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
:::(And Tony.) Defender is right about ''real'' tigers (whose tails tend to be nearly white no matter how deep orange the tiger is), but when it comes to ''cartoon'' tigers, I think straight-up orange is much more common. And H*R is a cartoon. And I think it's important to stress that the tail in question lacks the characteristic flattened end of Tigger's tail. [[Special:Contributions/98.222.134.36|98.222.134.36]] 01:56, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
::::Wow, i never realized how many bright orange cartoon tigers there are... now that i think about it, Exxon also had a tiger who looks like tony's cousin... yeah, i'm gonna have to go with definite '''could be any number of things'''. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:58, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

== A Question ==

Doesn't Homestar clearly tell Strong Bad about his e-mail show in Hremail 7? I know that Hremail 7 was made after this toon, but it was supposed to be, you know, like a parody of early toons made back in 2001 and all.

Talk:Career Day

Origonalname — Thu, 28 May 2009 13:49:11 GMT

Origonalname: /* Zoom zoom */

== Easter Eggs ==

Shouldn't someone include the Easter Eggs? I myself have not found any of them, but there may still be some. [[User:Chapien|chapien (approved by Homsar!)]] 18:42, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
:That's why it's not on the page. No one has found any yet, and there probably isn't any in the cartoon as of now (at least). {{User:DevonM/sig}} 18:50, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== Big Toon ==

Shouldn't it be noted that this is the first big toon since 2007? I think that's kind of improtant...
:I suppose it's a bit notable, but I'm not sure it merits a mention on the page. The gap between [[A Dumpy Tale]] and [[Weclome Back]] was similar (11 months), but is not mentioned anywhere on the pages. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 19:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

this is not a big toon
they said is wasnt one
: On the main page, before its release, sure. But the Toons menu lists it among the big toons (as in, not Shorts). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== Zoom zoom ==

Am I the only one that reminded of Rhino's hamsterball from the movie ''Bolt'' when I see Cheat in his space suit? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 01:15, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
: I was reminded of ''a'' hamster ball. But no specific ones. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:16, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::I was reminded of the gerbil ball for the gerbil my brother used to have... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:19, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:::I was reminded of the cow ball from The Far Side and the ball Bart was in in The Simpsons. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:41, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::::I have that panel on my binder. It's one good Far Side. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 03:44, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think it is supposed to be a hamster ball. But, I agree with Jay. It was not any specific ones.[[User:Origonalname]]

== Cape Tedaverill? ==

There have been a couple of (admittedly poorly worded) attempts to put on the page the fact that the name Ted Averill is a play on Canaveral. I have to say I'm inclined to agree, considering the space launch connection and all. Does anyone else feel similarly? (Though I note that this is not the only place where the name appears, so I don't know if this is the best place to note it). -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.26|132.183.151.26]] 01:51, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:[[space program|The first time he appears]], it's said in such a way that no one would make the connection, so i'm inclined to say no. Also, it's a poor rhyme. If that was their intention, they could do so much better. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:53, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:I also happen to think it's a reference. The sound-alike quality is definitely more pronounced in Career Day, but I think it's clear enough in Space Program as well. I know there's no way to prove it, but I remember making that connection the first time I saw Space Program; I just never got around to checking its wiki entry.[[User:Some kind of scientist|Some kind of scientist]] 18:33, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

== McWhat Nebula? ==
I'm hearing McCow-Pie Nebula rather than McAlpine Nebula. No? It's funnier.
{{User:Funhaver}}
:I heard it as "cow pie" the first time, but after reading the transcript and listening closely, i must conclude that, sad though it may be, it's "MacAlpine." {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:45, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:I think the "Mc" and the "Al" sounds are blending together to get the "McCow" sound. It sounded somewhat like that when I watched it, too. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 03:46, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::I think it was supposed to sound like cow pie. It was really said as McAlpine, but meant to sound like cow pie. {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:28, 23 May 2009 (UTC)}}

== Buck the System ==
It's probably just because I am a huge SOAD fan, but when Strong bad said "Bucking the System" I instantly thought of the System of a Down song "F*ck the System." Anyone else think this? Just wondering if it should be on the real world references page.--[[User:Shaokahn280z|Shaokahn280z]] 19:09, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
[http://www.google.com/search?q=bucking+the+system google results] show that it's a pretty common phrase. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:It could be a reference to the song, or it could just be a reference the saying. [[User:Origonalname]]

== Space: Defined by Scientists as the... ==

When Strong Bad says this while in the shows the space capsule, I believe the way he says this is a refrence to "Space: The Final Frontier", from Star Trek. Should someone add this to the page as a refrence?
:I thought of it as well, but i figured it might be too vague. I'm on the fence. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::I don't think this was a reference. I think it was just a joke, and had nothing to do with Star Trek {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:30, 23 May 2009 (UTC)}}

== Blowin' in the Wind ==

A fact that's been removed from the page several times now involves the fan, which is being used similarly to in [[magic trick]]. Looks like a valid fact to me — it's basically the same joke, using the fan to make clothes blow around dramatically — but what do you say? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:39, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:Since I was the one who added the fact, I know I don't have to say I agree, but I'm gonna say it just to acknowledge your post with the other users that will be looking at the recent changes over the next hour or so :) {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 22:59, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

== whating the system? ==

Is it me, or is "Bucking the System" a reference to a cuss word?--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:53, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:It's you. As noted above in a different section, "buck the system" is a [http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/buck+the+system common phrase] with [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/buck no etymological relation] to the rhyming cuss word. -[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 20:20, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::I instantly though that as well when I first saw this. "Buck" was definatly used in a similar sence as f*. And this isn't the first time I've seen them use "Buck" instead of f*. {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:25, 23 May 2009 (UTC)}}

== Miles and miles of the spaceman styles... ==

The chin-curlies on Space Captainface's..er...face struck me as being similar to that of [http://blog.thedebianuser.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/buzz.jpg Buzz Lightyear]. Most likely a case of TTATOT, but just thought I'd throw it out there.

:I'd say either [[HrWiki:Glossary#T|TTATOT]], or just a buttchin to make him look more different.--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 23:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

:: I would agree with that; Captain Quark from the Ratchet and Clank games has the same sort of buttchin.
:::I agree. I noticed the butt chin the second I saw it. {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:32, 23 May 2009 (UTC)}}

== Toothpick through the gerbil ball ==

I noticed while watching for the 18th time today that Strap's toothpick goes through his gerbil ball... thing while in space. Why isn't this a Goof? -Corruption (logged in = 0)
:The toothpick is too far out of the gerbil ball (in fact, it looks like it's ''completely'' outside the ball) for it not to have been an intentional style choice, which would make it not a goof. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:02, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
::I don't belive it was an exact goof, but I definitely thing it wasn't on purpose. If that makes any sense. {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:34, 23 May 2009 (UTC)}}

== Homsar laughing ==

Let me get this straight - there's an entire ARTICLE dedicated to instances of Strong Bad smiling (a fairly common occurrence), a mention of the Poopsmith singing on-screen, and heck - even a mention of Homestar making a (borderline) grammatical error, but there's no mentioning the very first time Homsar unambiguously laughs at something?

What the heck are these sections FOR if not for pointing out something noteworthy and out of the ordinary? Homsar is a character that's known for being seemingly oblivious to what's going on around him (albeit in a ambivalent sort of way), so this is a COMPLETE departure for him as a character. To suggest anything else is nothing short of absurd. The mention of this unprecedented event should stay, or at the very LEAST be put up for a vote. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 22:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:I think it's notable only if we can clearly hear him. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 23:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::I can hear him, and, to me, it sounds kind of like a more-wavering version of his "AaAaaAAaa!" — {{User:Fotoshop/sig}} 23:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::There is, however, a [[Talk:isp#There's a first time for everything|precedent for removing facts like this]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 23:09, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::::That fact says there were 2 times before when Bubs laughed a little. This fact says this is the 1st time Homsar laughed at all. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 23:14, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::From the arguments: <blockquote>"First time" facts should be reserved for truly momentous firsts. Laughing out loud is not such a first, especially when we can infer that he has laughed out loud before, albeit off camera.</blockquote> I'm taking the bit from before the "especially" as the precedent here. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 23:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::Laughter in and of itself is unremarkable (after all, the littlest, tiniest babies can laugh), so there needs to be something special about Homsar if his laughter is to be included in the article. 0rion claims that this is a complete departure of Homsar's character, which would indeed be notable if it were true. But is it?
::::::    Let's examine the underlying point. I would have no problem with the following fact: "This is the first time Homsar has had an emotional reaction in response to something another character has said," except for one thing—it's completely false. Homsar was "crying on the inside" when he was mistakenly disqualified from the Strong Sad lookalike contest in [[impression]]. Furthermore, looking at his various appearances, he is ''not'' always oblivious to what's going on (some would actually claim he [[Analysis of Homsar's speech patterns|never is]]), it's not a departure for his character (or if it is, it's not the first time such a departure occurs), and even though this is the first time we specifically see him laughing, the underlying emotional reaction is not unprecedented. Thus, this isn't a notable first. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:10, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Wow. I can't belive you people are becoming so worked up about this. Yes, this is the first time Homsar laughs on screen but seriously. this is a wiki, not a baby book. characters have laughed befor, and had no one make a note of it. I think a first laugh by a character in no where near as important as you all are making it seem. [[User:Origonalname]]

== Mazipan's Teeth'd? ==

I noticed that Marzipan's teeth show more often in this toon, as well as in [[Kick-A-Ball]]. Does this, by any chance, count as further Marzipan evolution? {{User:Religious Corn/sig}} 20:24, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

:I don't know, maybe. [[User:MICGAGUH]]
::I saw some noticeable difference in her eyes. I think Marzipan's eyes have evolved a little bit, but no her teeth. [[User:Origonalname]]

== Well shut his mouth. ==

Strong Bad says in [[Homestar Runner Presents: Presents]] "Well shut my mouth" as a phrase that seems to mean "That's something I never expected to see happen". This combined with the fact that he has never before seen having an truely shut mouth makes me wonder: Should it be noted that this is the first time Strong Bad shuts his mouth, ableit only in cartoon form? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 23:01, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

== Mixed Art Styles ==

Should it be remarked that Ted Avarill was drawn by hand and then his mouth was added later using vector art? If you zoom in, you can clearly see that everything besides his mouth is pixelated. --[[Special:Contributions/141.224.237.41|141.224.237.41]] 23:05, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== Italian Satellite (of love) ==

Is it just me or does the Italin Spy Satellite look like a winebottle in a basket?
:Well, those Italians ''do'' enjoy their wine... but no, I think it more resembles just a stereotypical satellite shape. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 06:14, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
:: http://www.anl.gov/Science_and_Technology/History/Anniversary_Frontiers/12photo.html

== Main page message ==

The font used for "cosmic rays!!" has always looked like the font for main page messages. --{{User:Fangoriously/SIGGY HERE!}} 00:52, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

== AAAAAAAHHHH! MY EYES!!!! ==

I am going to put a warning next to that "flesh eating virus" link. That was so nasty my brain threw up. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 11:08, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
:what? {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:46, 23 May 2009}}

Talk:Career Day

Origonalname — Thu, 28 May 2009 13:46:42 GMT

Origonalname: /* Buck the System */

== Easter Eggs ==

Shouldn't someone include the Easter Eggs? I myself have not found any of them, but there may still be some. [[User:Chapien|chapien (approved by Homsar!)]] 18:42, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
:That's why it's not on the page. No one has found any yet, and there probably isn't any in the cartoon as of now (at least). {{User:DevonM/sig}} 18:50, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== Big Toon ==

Shouldn't it be noted that this is the first big toon since 2007? I think that's kind of improtant...
:I suppose it's a bit notable, but I'm not sure it merits a mention on the page. The gap between [[A Dumpy Tale]] and [[Weclome Back]] was similar (11 months), but is not mentioned anywhere on the pages. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 19:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

this is not a big toon
they said is wasnt one
: On the main page, before its release, sure. But the Toons menu lists it among the big toons (as in, not Shorts). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== Zoom zoom ==

Am I the only one that reminded of Rhino's hamsterball from the movie ''Bolt'' when I see Cheat in his space suit? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 01:15, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
: I was reminded of ''a'' hamster ball. But no specific ones. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:16, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::I was reminded of the gerbil ball for the gerbil my brother used to have... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:19, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:::I was reminded of the cow ball from The Far Side and the ball Bart was in in The Simpsons. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:41, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::::I have that panel on my binder. It's one good Far Side. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 03:44, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

== Cape Tedaverill? ==

There have been a couple of (admittedly poorly worded) attempts to put on the page the fact that the name Ted Averill is a play on Canaveral. I have to say I'm inclined to agree, considering the space launch connection and all. Does anyone else feel similarly? (Though I note that this is not the only place where the name appears, so I don't know if this is the best place to note it). -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.26|132.183.151.26]] 01:51, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:[[space program|The first time he appears]], it's said in such a way that no one would make the connection, so i'm inclined to say no. Also, it's a poor rhyme. If that was their intention, they could do so much better. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:53, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:I also happen to think it's a reference. The sound-alike quality is definitely more pronounced in Career Day, but I think it's clear enough in Space Program as well. I know there's no way to prove it, but I remember making that connection the first time I saw Space Program; I just never got around to checking its wiki entry.[[User:Some kind of scientist|Some kind of scientist]] 18:33, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

== McWhat Nebula? ==
I'm hearing McCow-Pie Nebula rather than McAlpine Nebula. No? It's funnier.
{{User:Funhaver}}
:I heard it as "cow pie" the first time, but after reading the transcript and listening closely, i must conclude that, sad though it may be, it's "MacAlpine." {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:45, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:I think the "Mc" and the "Al" sounds are blending together to get the "McCow" sound. It sounded somewhat like that when I watched it, too. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 03:46, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::I think it was supposed to sound like cow pie. It was really said as McAlpine, but meant to sound like cow pie. {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:28, 23 May 2009 (UTC)}}

== Buck the System ==
It's probably just because I am a huge SOAD fan, but when Strong bad said "Bucking the System" I instantly thought of the System of a Down song "F*ck the System." Anyone else think this? Just wondering if it should be on the real world references page.--[[User:Shaokahn280z|Shaokahn280z]] 19:09, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
[http://www.google.com/search?q=bucking+the+system google results] show that it's a pretty common phrase. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:It could be a reference to the song, or it could just be a reference the saying. [[User:Origonalname]]

== Space: Defined by Scientists as the... ==

When Strong Bad says this while in the shows the space capsule, I believe the way he says this is a refrence to "Space: The Final Frontier", from Star Trek. Should someone add this to the page as a refrence?
:I thought of it as well, but i figured it might be too vague. I'm on the fence. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::I don't think this was a reference. I think it was just a joke, and had nothing to do with Star Trek {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:30, 23 May 2009 (UTC)}}

== Blowin' in the Wind ==

A fact that's been removed from the page several times now involves the fan, which is being used similarly to in [[magic trick]]. Looks like a valid fact to me — it's basically the same joke, using the fan to make clothes blow around dramatically — but what do you say? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:39, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:Since I was the one who added the fact, I know I don't have to say I agree, but I'm gonna say it just to acknowledge your post with the other users that will be looking at the recent changes over the next hour or so :) {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 22:59, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

== whating the system? ==

Is it me, or is "Bucking the System" a reference to a cuss word?--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:53, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:It's you. As noted above in a different section, "buck the system" is a [http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/buck+the+system common phrase] with [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/buck no etymological relation] to the rhyming cuss word. -[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 20:20, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::I instantly though that as well when I first saw this. "Buck" was definatly used in a similar sence as f*. And this isn't the first time I've seen them use "Buck" instead of f*. {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:25, 23 May 2009 (UTC)}}

== Miles and miles of the spaceman styles... ==

The chin-curlies on Space Captainface's..er...face struck me as being similar to that of [http://blog.thedebianuser.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/buzz.jpg Buzz Lightyear]. Most likely a case of TTATOT, but just thought I'd throw it out there.

:I'd say either [[HrWiki:Glossary#T|TTATOT]], or just a buttchin to make him look more different.--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 23:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

:: I would agree with that; Captain Quark from the Ratchet and Clank games has the same sort of buttchin.
:::I agree. I noticed the butt chin the second I saw it. {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:32, 23 May 2009 (UTC)}}

== Toothpick through the gerbil ball ==

I noticed while watching for the 18th time today that Strap's toothpick goes through his gerbil ball... thing while in space. Why isn't this a Goof? -Corruption (logged in = 0)
:The toothpick is too far out of the gerbil ball (in fact, it looks like it's ''completely'' outside the ball) for it not to have been an intentional style choice, which would make it not a goof. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:02, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
::I don't belive it was an exact goof, but I definitely thing it wasn't on purpose. If that makes any sense. {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:34, 23 May 2009 (UTC)}}

== Homsar laughing ==

Let me get this straight - there's an entire ARTICLE dedicated to instances of Strong Bad smiling (a fairly common occurrence), a mention of the Poopsmith singing on-screen, and heck - even a mention of Homestar making a (borderline) grammatical error, but there's no mentioning the very first time Homsar unambiguously laughs at something?

What the heck are these sections FOR if not for pointing out something noteworthy and out of the ordinary? Homsar is a character that's known for being seemingly oblivious to what's going on around him (albeit in a ambivalent sort of way), so this is a COMPLETE departure for him as a character. To suggest anything else is nothing short of absurd. The mention of this unprecedented event should stay, or at the very LEAST be put up for a vote. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 22:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:I think it's notable only if we can clearly hear him. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 23:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::I can hear him, and, to me, it sounds kind of like a more-wavering version of his "AaAaaAAaa!" — {{User:Fotoshop/sig}} 23:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::There is, however, a [[Talk:isp#There's a first time for everything|precedent for removing facts like this]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 23:09, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::::That fact says there were 2 times before when Bubs laughed a little. This fact says this is the 1st time Homsar laughed at all. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 23:14, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::From the arguments: <blockquote>"First time" facts should be reserved for truly momentous firsts. Laughing out loud is not such a first, especially when we can infer that he has laughed out loud before, albeit off camera.</blockquote> I'm taking the bit from before the "especially" as the precedent here. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 23:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::Laughter in and of itself is unremarkable (after all, the littlest, tiniest babies can laugh), so there needs to be something special about Homsar if his laughter is to be included in the article. 0rion claims that this is a complete departure of Homsar's character, which would indeed be notable if it were true. But is it?
::::::    Let's examine the underlying point. I would have no problem with the following fact: "This is the first time Homsar has had an emotional reaction in response to something another character has said," except for one thing—it's completely false. Homsar was "crying on the inside" when he was mistakenly disqualified from the Strong Sad lookalike contest in [[impression]]. Furthermore, looking at his various appearances, he is ''not'' always oblivious to what's going on (some would actually claim he [[Analysis of Homsar's speech patterns|never is]]), it's not a departure for his character (or if it is, it's not the first time such a departure occurs), and even though this is the first time we specifically see him laughing, the underlying emotional reaction is not unprecedented. Thus, this isn't a notable first. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:10, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Wow. I can't belive you people are becoming so worked up about this. Yes, this is the first time Homsar laughs on screen but seriously. this is a wiki, not a baby book. characters have laughed befor, and had no one make a note of it. I think a first laugh by a character in no where near as important as you all are making it seem. [[User:Origonalname]]

== Mazipan's Teeth'd? ==

I noticed that Marzipan's teeth show more often in this toon, as well as in [[Kick-A-Ball]]. Does this, by any chance, count as further Marzipan evolution? {{User:Religious Corn/sig}} 20:24, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

:I don't know, maybe. [[User:MICGAGUH]]
::I saw some noticeable difference in her eyes. I think Marzipan's eyes have evolved a little bit, but no her teeth. [[User:Origonalname]]

== Well shut his mouth. ==

Strong Bad says in [[Homestar Runner Presents: Presents]] "Well shut my mouth" as a phrase that seems to mean "That's something I never expected to see happen". This combined with the fact that he has never before seen having an truely shut mouth makes me wonder: Should it be noted that this is the first time Strong Bad shuts his mouth, ableit only in cartoon form? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 23:01, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

== Mixed Art Styles ==

Should it be remarked that Ted Avarill was drawn by hand and then his mouth was added later using vector art? If you zoom in, you can clearly see that everything besides his mouth is pixelated. --[[Special:Contributions/141.224.237.41|141.224.237.41]] 23:05, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== Italian Satellite (of love) ==

Is it just me or does the Italin Spy Satellite look like a winebottle in a basket?
:Well, those Italians ''do'' enjoy their wine... but no, I think it more resembles just a stereotypical satellite shape. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 06:14, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
:: http://www.anl.gov/Science_and_Technology/History/Anniversary_Frontiers/12photo.html

== Main page message ==

The font used for "cosmic rays!!" has always looked like the font for main page messages. --{{User:Fangoriously/SIGGY HERE!}} 00:52, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

== AAAAAAAHHHH! MY EYES!!!! ==

I am going to put a warning next to that "flesh eating virus" link. That was so nasty my brain threw up. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 11:08, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
:what? {{unsigned|Origonalname|18:46, 23 May 2009}}

Talk:Hremail 2000

Origonalname — Thu, 28 May 2009 13:33:00 GMT

Origonalname: /* Dream */

Talk:Hremail 2000

Origonalname — Sat, 23 May 2009 22:20:50 GMT

Origonalname: /* Compu-turds */

==Dipped in ink==
Could the claim in the Easter egg that Shadow Homestar was "dipped in a vat of ink" be a reference to the ending montage of [[dangeresque 3]], where the silhouette of [[Killingyouguy]] was shown to be made by painting Strong Mad in black? It's what came first to my mind, anyway... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 09:22, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:Mine too.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 14:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:: Oh most definitely. Should there be a page for shadow Homestar, or at least a part of the chacter variation page for hime? He seems like a pretty important duplicate.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 21:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::[[Shadow Homestar Runner]]. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 22:58, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I don't really think the page is neccesary (Hope I spelled that right). It should be under Homestar's variations because that is practically him.---{{User:Record307/sig}} 02:17, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::The guy above me is right. Shadow Homestar is merely a slight variation of Homestar. But, Shadow Homestar could come back, and end up just like Homsar.[[User:Origonalname]]

== Shadow Homestar ==
Isn't this a reference to "Shadow Link" in the Legend of Zelda games? We all know TBC are big fans, so possibilities?
--[[User:Lustmyeyes|lustmyeyes <3]] 10:41, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:I think lots of video game characters have "shadow" or "dark" versions of themselves, it's quite common, from what I can tell. --[[User:That crazy DumDe!|DumDe]] 16:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::I wish, but the easter egg seems to be referencing the [[Street Fighter]] series. {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 16:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Mortal Kombat as well. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Since the whole scene is a parody of Mortal Kombat, I kinda think the Noob Saibot line holds some water. Another "ambiguous reference" about the ubiquitousness of "shadow" characters may also be appropriate. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 01:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::For what it's worth, the original "Prince of Persia" was almost certainly the first game to have such a "shadow" opponent... predates Mortal Kombat by 3 years. --[[User:dmz|dmz]] 08:30, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::I think we're best off with the ambiguous reference, like we already have on the page, though i wouldn't mind a nod to noob in the same line, since it IS mortal kombat after all. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Frankly, I'm against any reference at all to Noob Saibot - he wasn't all-black, just gray, and he didn't copy the moves of any character in particular. In his initial appearance, there were MULTIPLE characters that looked like him aside from the color scheme. If it's got anything at all to do with Mortal Kombat, it's almost certainly the mirror matches that were in the original game. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:04, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:It's Jung! Carl Jung! The shadow self represents our insecurities, the elements of our psyche we repress! To do battle with the shadow self is to cease projecting these qualities onto others and acknowledge them in our self! -SFC
:: What the crap? What are you talking/spamming about? Okay, Mr. Preacher, could you keep your ramblings to yourself or would you care to explain what you mean? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::: Jungian psychology describes the archetype (the common form present in everyone's understanding of the world) of the shadow self. The shadow self is, as I said, the part of ourself we don't consciously recognise - not necessarily the 'bad' parts, but the parts we don't think of as really 'us'. Part of psychological development, in this model, is acknowledging these elements - engaging with the shadow self, 'doing battle with it', and merging with it to form a more complete, healthy being. So, basically, Jung attributes to this root cause all the mythical examples of shadow selves - and his work predates video games, naturally. -SFC
::::You guys are getting a bit out of hand here. Jung? All I think is that it is similar to shadow link, and nowhere near as important as you guys are saying it is. This is like the Homsar laugh thing from the Career Day discussion all over again![[User:Origonalname]]]

== Multiples again? ==
It should probably be noted that this is another instance of [[duplicate characters]], both with the 3rd Homestar leg (which is obviously not part of homestar when he's shown on the basketball court) and possibly also because of the Shadow Homestar. [[Special:Contributions/72.70.158.239|72.70.158.239]] 13:56, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:'''Agree'''. Yeah we should probably note the third leg.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 14:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Done.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 19:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Except the three leg thing has really nothing to do with "shadow Homestar"... --[[Special:Contributions/71.58.29.180|71.58.29.180]] 23:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::::No one said it did... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:52, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

==Homestar's Arms==
I'm no master at editing wikis, so I think I'll just mention it here. There should probably be something about how Homestar holds a big sock, then a big shoe, then a bigger sock, and then a bigger shoe, more than someone could hold with two hands (as he lifts them up seperately, and they don't move afterwards).
:There is a place to do that. I'll try to find it for consistancy. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 17:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Try going [[invisible arms|here]]. I also added a remark on the article. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 17:51, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, does anyone else think the Chaps are doing this on purpose now? I notice the whole "doing-things-that-would-require-more-than-two-arms" controversy has seemed to heighten somewhat on this wiki lately, so are they just adding fuel to the fire? Do they ''enjoy'' making those who try to find at least some level of vague sense-make in the cartoon squirm uncomfortably in their seats? (Not that I'm one of those people, I'm just sayin'. It's a weird co-weenky-dink.) [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I believe one of their commentaries mentioned the wiki, so they definitely know what goes on here. Probably amused their dumb little animal cartoon is causing so much silly bantering. My take is it's, 'relax, it's just a cartoon." And giant hands. Just because they're invisible doesn't mean they have to be normal sized!
:::::He holds them up individually, so unless he has REALLY big fingers..... -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:26, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

What if he has one arm, holds an item, uses the other arm to put an item in his first arm, takes the second arm, puts the item in the first arm (this part would be hard, but not entirely impossible) and then holds the last item in the second arm (optionally, he could take the third item and transfer it back to the second)
:Yeah, it is actually possible to manipulate your fingers in a way where you can hold all four items at once, especially considering how light even giant socks are.
::I Don't think the Chaps meant to confuse you by having Homestar hold 4 things at once. I think it is more of a goof that they didn't have Homestar put down the extra items. This is one of those things that just don't make all that much sense. Just relax, it's not like it's the end of the world.[[User:Origonalname]]

== Dream ==
When marzipan says that "the whole last season was just a dream", could this be a reference to the infamous ending of the Sopranos Tv series?
:This is the fourth suggestion so far as to what show it's referring to. I think that pretty much makes it something that can't be pinned to any one thing. The other three are Roseanne, Dallas, and Newhart, as seen when i removed them [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Hremail_2000&diff=627207&oldid=627205&rcid=586009 here]. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:44, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Dallas did it first and is most famous for it. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 21:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::The show Newhart is arguably the most famous as making the ''entire show'' was a dream in his earlier show. But I don't want to get into an argument about which is "more famous", because if one is mentioned, they all need to be. The best way is to make an ambiguous reference. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:33, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
There's a big controversy on how to include a remark about how "the entire last season was a dream." Why not just add a non-specific reference like; "Several prime-time shows have revealed in the season's last episode that the entire season had merely been a dream."? I'm not good at writing these things though, but i'm sure someone could make it sound very good and succinct. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:01, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:Why hasn't anyone else thought of this? Nice idea. -Nonuser mster24
::I'll take a shot at it. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, it's up. Wasn't sure whether to put it in Explanations or Real-World References, but if I've erred someone can move it. I tried to word it as succinctly as I could, but of course if someone can reword it better, go for it. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:13, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Great summary, that's better than I could have put it. However, I believe that it belongs under Real-World references as it really isn't explaining anything rather than mention something said is referring to a real-life show(s). -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:29, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Actually, general references to culture rather than references to something specific go in explanations. it's in the right place. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::I almost changed it, but realized the same thing trying to rephrase it. I like it where it is. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::There has only been one show where they had an entire season which was a dream. That was Dallas. This is a direct, complete reference to Dallas. -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]]
:::-as opposed to NEWHART which was only 8 seasons dreamed up. If I do my math right, NEWHART is 800% more direct than Dallas. My point is, there's more than one show which did that and we have the reference already in the article. We appreciate your input, but this has been discussed. Please see above. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 22:32, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Well, not necessarily. One could argue that, by the "math" of the transitive <strike>butt</strike> gimmick property, Dallas: 1 season = 100% direct reference by what Marzi said, whereas Newhart: 1 series/8 seasons = 0% direct reference by what Marzi said. And as much as love Bob Newhart, I really think Dallas is the most likely reference (this coming from someone who hasn't even seen Dallas, but is just familiar with certain famous attributes, this being one of them). Having said that, though, I don't think there's a strong enough case to put that specific one in the article, so I don't think there's any other way to do it, no matter how much I hate general, ambiguous references (I usually don't find 'em very useful). (Though I do maintain that Dallas did it first, in the 85-86 season (Newhart ended in 1990), and that they've referenced Dallas at least once in the past, with the [[Caleb Rentpayer]] thing.) -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 22:47, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::The Trope link, on the other hand, makes a general reference much more useful. Anonny satisfied! -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 23:27, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::First of all, it would be 800% AS direct, not 800% more direct. Secondly Newhart presumes the entire series was a dream (and entirely for comedic effect, not even pretending to be realistic). If marzipan had said the entire series was a dream, then it would make sense. Dallas is the only series to have had a "Dream Season" which is what Marzipan says -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]]
:::::The only point I was proving is that Dallas is not the only show that has done it (while Dallas may have been first). All I is saying is that it shouldn't be a specific reference. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Since when is TV Tropes Wiki a reliable source for anything? -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 19:36, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Since TBC started making reference to TV tropes... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:38, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Show me where they did this. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 00:46, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, there's two of them in this very toon, and tons of others all over the place. they spoof pop culture a lot. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:50, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Oh. I thought you meant they referenced the TV Tropes website itself, in which case a link would be appropriate. As it is I don't see why the links shouldn't be replaced with Wikipedia articles that explain the concepts. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]]
::::::::::::Because tropes does a better job at documenting and describing them, and is more specific. that's why. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:06, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::True as that may be, that's not my point. Maybe I wasn't being clear enough. My point in my original edit was that I don't see how TV Tropes is a reliable source. I mean, Wikipedia's not perfect, but I'd take it over a site that openly says it has few standards and is mostly for fun any day. I mean, yeah, it's kinda entertaining sometimes, and I get the feeling some people are actually trying provide objective information about common plot devices and media conventions, after visiting that site for nearly two years I get the impression that a large chunk of the contributors are more concerned with informing everyone that Doctor Who/Avatar The Last Airbender/Discworld/some furry webcomic is awesome and every other piece of fiction ever written is crap. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 02:16, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:Other shows have done it, but Dallas is arguably the most well-known, especially given the Brothers Chaps' ages. Not to mention, that website doesn't even mention it, just a bunch of anime references...I don't know if it's really what fits in here.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 13:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::To elaborate, the Newhart ending was itself a parody of the tendency of 80s TV shows to turn to the "it was all a dream" copout to throw away story elements they didn't like, resurrect characters, move the show to Jupiter, etc. That ending is also widely regarded as one of the best moments in TV history. In contrast, there was a lot of aggravation that Dallas decided to just throw away an entire season's worth of story as just being a dream, which Marzipan's annoyance definitely alludes to. Frankly, I think the mathematically questionable attempts to say that it refers to this or that ought to give way to what folks older than 20 or so will recognize as a clear Dallas reference.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 13:20, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Just how does TV Tropes do "a better job at documenting and describing [concepts]" than this very wiki? To me, that website is the very definition of ""[[unnatural|an organized forum for people to shout out their ideas all at the same time]]": it's a complete mess of potentially interesting information, which overwhelms the reader due to a complete lack of standards and formatting. You claim that we should make ANY specific references to any examples of "dream seasons" (what's wrong with mentioning just two or three extremely well-known examples?), yet then link to some website that attempts to list every single use of dreams in all the films, TV programmes, anime, manga and video games that it can think of? Do we really need to pass the buck this badly? Instead, we should all take a look at a similar problem that happened a while ago with [[bottom 10]]; the problem involved "songs that try to pass off la la's, na na's, and doot do's as legit lyrics". There are a million songs this statement could be referencing, so it was decided that we would only make three well-known references and leave it at that. A similar solution should be taken with this article; we add a sentence to the fact along the lines of "Notable example of 'dream seasons' include Dallas, Newhart and Roseanne," and an invisble comment asking people not to make any more references. It might be OK to keep the link to TV Tropes if enough people want to, but at least don't leave our explaination of the concept as it is. It just looks terribly generic and wishy-washy unless the link is followed. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:I'd forgotten about ''Roseanne''. ''Dallas'' is the only example I find where the writers wrote themselves into a corner and out of desperation wiped out the whole season. I would not support listing ''Newhart'', as that final episode wiped out the entire ''series'' and was played for laughs. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
It just occurred to me that I forgot to add an alternative to the Tropes link, so it looks like I'm complaining instead of trying to improve the article. Sorry about that. For the record, I think that a general explanation of the concept with one or two references to the most popular examples, like what somebody suggested above, would suffice. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]]

Can we just add at the end of the reference a couple of examples? Just make it "Marzipan's remark that the entire last season was just a dream refers to a gimmick employed by several television series in which such a revelation is made, usually in the last episode of that season, in series such as ''Dallas'' or ''Roseanne''." I think it would make the reference better, while still leaving it open ended. --[[User:Zonis|Zonis]] 03:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

::Hey! Every one! May I have your attention please! Might I ask why 65% of this is about something that has absolutely nothing to do with what this was origonaly being talked about? Lets just all do what the Chort up there suggested.I hate stuff that just rambles on and on about pointless jank for ever and ever. let that be my final word! [[User:Origonalname]]

== Homestar's Shoes? ==

Think it should be noted somewheres that Homestar's feet/shoes act like (and are referred to as) shoes in this toon? As far as I know, there's been a dispute over whether Homestar wears shoes or not, and this, especially the puppet show, could possibly confirm that he does.-Nonuser mster24
:Or that he doesn't. Note the fact that in that one closeup, his supposed "shoes" have those gnarly wart-looking things and his leg region is shown to have hair, despite the fact that there's no clear boundary between his "shoes/feet" and his legs. Just another wrench in the works-of-clearing-up-ambiguity is my guess. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Either way, we include references to his shoes on [[Homestar Runner's Pants]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:12, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::in the toon about Homestar's pants, it says that he has blue soles glued onto his feet. but yet, here it suggests that he has actual shoes. this is another one of the major goofs of Homestarrunner.com. [[User:Origonalname]]

== Foot Pelts ==
Is this easter egg another instance of [[Strong Sad]]'s implied [[death]]? [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 00:03, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Implied amputation isn't implied death. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::It could go here though -> [[Severed Body Parts]] -02:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Why not? In [[modeling]], Strong Sad informs Strong Bad that poachers have been after his feet.
:: No, no, no, no, no! You people misintuprited this. Strong Bad is walking around in "someone else's slighty larger foot pelts", and he likes the feeling of it. In [[diorama]], it was revealed that Strong Sad wore Dr. Soolnd's Medicated Shoes, so those might not even be his feet, but his "slighty larger foot pelts" that Homestar mentioned. He is wearing Strong Sa's SHOES! At least, that's my inturpritation of the joke. Oh well, maybe not... --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
== Cow Clips ==

The "Cow Clips" Homestar uses on his shoes are Binder Clips, also known as Bulldog Clips.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binder_clip --[[User:Zonis|Zonis]] 19:49, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:The transcript already calls them binder clips. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::It's easy to see how someone could go from "bulldog clips" to "cow clips", but to me, it just seemed like some random association Homestar was making. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:14 6 Feb 2009}}

== Swiss-ness ==

"swiss miss" is a brand of hot cocoa and other food-esque items. to be included in real-world references? --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman (Neumannz)]] 20:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:And [[Wikipedia:Swiss Miss (disambiguation)|many other things]] as well. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:44, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

== Missle vs. Missal ==

When Homestar says "today's missle," I think he is actually saying "Today's Missal," a publication found at nearly every Catholic church. See: http://www.ocp.org/products/tm Also see the Wikipedia article on Missal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missal
Should this be included in explanations or maybe real-world references?
:It's a [[malapropism]] for "missive". "Missile" has the benefit of being one letter off. "Missal" does not. The pronunciation is the same. I say "missile" is fine. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:I think "missal". Mostly because both are written materials, a much more closely related semantic field than "missile" would be. (Although, one could make the argument that Homestar misread a teleprompter or queue card).
::In [[senorial day]] when there was a homonym debate, we put a footnote. -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.17|128.103.10.17]] 03:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::That was a stretch, this is a bigger one. There's no reason to throw in an uncommon term like missal when the common term will suffice. Barring some sort of direct mention to the contrary by the Brothers Chaps, I don't see how a footnote would be necessary.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:57, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::As I stated above, at least missive and missal share the common semantic domain of written documents, whereas missile does not. And considering that TBC do have some Catholic roots to them, it's very likely that they could have meant missal. I do not think you can simply dismiss one over the other without some solid rationale for doing so. At the very least, "missal" could be added parenthetically. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:02 6 Feb 2009}}
::::*Also, this is further complicated by the possibility that this is a portmanteau of "missive" and "epistle". {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:09 6 Feb 2009}}
::::To be extremely nitpicky, they're homo''phones''. If they were homonyms, we wouldn't be having this discussion. ;) I stick with "missile", but a large part of that is the fact that I had never heard of the word "missal" before this conversation. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:28, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Long Pants ==

Remember when Strong Bad asserted that Homestar "simply has blue soles glued to the bottom of his feet"? Should that be mentioned?
:Since they don't mention it in this toon, I don't see why it should be mentioned in the wiki. Also, this toon clearly indicates that Homestar is wearing shoes, since he mentions them by their brand name, and he shows a couple of larger versions of the same shoes.--[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Power forward ==

Why isn't [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_forward_(basketball) power forward] explained? [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 23:01, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:Who knows? Feel free to add it if you'd like. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 23:07, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::I added the explanation, and I also explained what it means to "post up" and I clarified "in the paint" a bit, but I'm sure what I wrote could be worded better. By the way, this is my first time editing. [[User:Willstar|Willstar]] 05:15, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

== Art Stockton ==

I hear "Technical foul ''on'' Stockton", not "Art Stockton". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:I would agree that that makes SLIGHTLY more sense, however, the "T" is clearly audible. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:26, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::it makes entirely more sense. In that "On Stockton" makes sense, and "Art Stockton" doesn't. Also, that "clearly audilbe T" isn't. I hear "on" every time.[[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 21:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Is it "Art"? I think so, but I'm not 100% sure. What I ''am'' 100% sure of is that it is ''not'' "On". And even if it was, who puts the stress on a preposition? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Oh, and one more thing. "Art" makes ''exactly'' as much sense as "Stockton" in this context — it's short for "Arthur". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Definitely "Art Stockton" rather than "on".
::::After cramming my left ear up to my computer speaker and listening to it like 7 times, I deduced that it's "on Stockton." {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 03:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::I hear on, myself. -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.17|128.103.10.17]] 03:50, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Sounds like on to me, he's just talking like a referee.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Just listened to it again. I don't know how on earth someone could interpret that as "Art." It's clearly "on." There's not even Homestar's usually twisted version of R present, let alone a T sound. Short O is something Homestar is not known for having trouble with, and that's clearly what he's saying. Might want to clean the wax out, guys.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::No, it's clearly "Art." Try turning the volume up on your speakers or something. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:07 6 Feb 2009}}
::::::::Uncertain on how clear the "T" is, but a) it sounds ''exactly'' like when Homestar attempts an "R" (or "awr"), b) there isn't a clear "N" either, and c) I re-stress the stress. If it was "On", one would think the stress would be on "Stockton", but it isn't; it's on that first word. If one was to say (as though it were a name) "Art Stockton", the stress would more likely be on "Art". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Other possibilities, BTW, include "Arn" (short for "Arnold") or "Ott" (short for "Otto"). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: Ok, although I've clearly heard "on Stockton" every time, I went ahead and sampled that part of the toon and slowed it way down in Audacity. I think it makes it very clear that he's saying "On Stockton." Here's a link to the mp3 so you can hear it yourself and decide: [http://www.efn.org/~jbl/hsr/stockton.mp3] --[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:48, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: He's saying it funny because he's talking like a referee would in such a situation. "This action...on XX...this penalty!" No offense to anyone, but I think you're crazy if you're hearing "Art." There's nothing even vaguely resembling it there, nor does it make any sense in that context in a way that would lead to a punchline.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 22:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::He's clearly saying "'''on''' Stockton," because he's assessing the foul ''on'' Stockton. Perhaps you're hearing "Art" or "Arn" because of the echo. And for that matter, the most well-known player named Stockton to ever play basketball was ''John'' Stockton. [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 09:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Still doesn't sound like "on" to me. Besides, who said he's referring to a basketball player? Homestar's playing "baskeeball". Which, apparently, uses first downs. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:48, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm seeing what looks like consensus here. Suggest removing the extraneous footnote. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 23:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
: What consensus are you seeing? The footnote stays. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:45, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
::Agreed... this isn't consensus... and he doesn't say "on". {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, it seems like <strike>two</strike> three people think it's Art and a lot more think it's on (.. and it is), which is more of a consensus than cases that have been called consensus before. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::And by a lot I mean, like, 7 or so... -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:46, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think you need to learn the not-so-subtle difference between consensus and a vote. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:52, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::The difference is consensus is what's accepted here and vote is not. Talking about prior cases on the wiki would never refer to a vote, unless STUFF is involved. And to address a separate issue, one of the arguments for Art is that the T is supposedly clearly audible, but then it's also claimed that "Arn" is possible. (Even if it were "Art", I think "Arn" is much less likely. It's a much less common nickname, imo). So which is it? Audible T or no T? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I am unable to make out the consonant fully at all. I think it's a "T" and don't at all believe it's an "N"; I merely suggested "Arn" as an attempt at compromise. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::K, well, if nobody seems to think it's Arn, I think the footnote is better with just Art. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 01:18, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Jay, you're hearing the "T" in Stockton and attaching it to the first word. It's '''on'''. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:19, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Right, I'm hearing the "T" in "Stockton" ''before'' the "S". 9_9 --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Think about it from a common sense perspective. They're trying to be funny: what's funny about "Art" or "Arn" or "Ott?" Nothing. There's no punchline; even when the Brothers Chaps are random, there's some sort of punchline to it, like Homsar's nonsensical response to Strong Sad asking him if he was going to say anything in DNA Evidence. Their references are always direct, joke A to popular culture point B. Stockton makes sense as a reference to John Stockton, an NBA player; Art Stockton makes no sense, and isn't funny. I've never, ever heard anyone use "Arn" as short for Arnold, or "Ott" as short for Otto, ever. I think that if you have to stretch the logic way out and create a web of connections to justify a reference, then barring a direct mention from the Brothers Chaps in a commentary or something it shouldn't be considered a legitimate reference.
Good grief, I can't believe I'm still going on about this.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
: What's funny about "On"? I already said I believed it was "Art" and only introduced the others as potential compromises. What reference? And the punchline was most obviously the "first down" part (if not the part where the puppet is appearing ''at all''.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:59, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::As I and the anony above said already, he's talking like a referee in a football game (randomness with a punchline) assessing a technical foul against "Stockton" (Marzipan). It's very simple. Don't make things so complicated in this; like I said, the more you try to find some sort of twisted web of logic to justify an extreme reference, the less sense it will all make. The most obvious reference is probably the right one, again barring something to the contrary from the creators.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::In what way am I making this complicated? I'm simply saying that what I hear is closer to "Art" than "On" and I don't see how making it "On" makes it any funnier as you previously said. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I agree with Big Dog. He's saying "on Stockton." As I said before, I think you're all hearing the echo and it's muffling what's actually being said. For the referee to say "Art Stockton" doesn't make any sense, even when it comes to TBC being random. [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 06:56, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Sure it does. Think of it this way, what if he said "False start, Larry Smith, five yard penalty"? would you say that that made so sense? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, that does make sense, but like I said, Homestar's playing basketball (even if he pronounced it weird), and John Stockton is the most famous "Stockton" to ever play basketball. That being said, to say "Art Stockton" doesn't make any sense at all, even for TBC. I just don't see how anyone could think it's anything other than the referee assessing the foul "'''on''' Stockton." [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 19:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::It makes every bit as much sense as [[Happy Hallow-Day|every]] [[Cool Things|other]] [[cheat talk|time]] TBC randomly mention the name of a character who doesn't exist, so yeah, this fits with TBC's style entirely. Anyway, the argument's pretty moot by now. You've already essentially won. The transcript says "On", which it did not do when this topic was created. The footnote is there to show that there is a disagreement. Removing the footnote would show that the people who originally argued for the footnote's point have recanted — which is obviously not the case. This is this Wiki's standard. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, there's no footnote in Jibblies 2, even though the arguers didn't recant. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.34|132.183.138.34]] 20:01, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::To add to the counterargument, your claim that "it makes no sense because he's playing basketball" actually goes to support our side... the whole sentence is supposed to not make sense. I mean, have you ever seen anyone get a first down in basketball? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Which is the entire point, which is why "Technical foul, on Stockton" is what he said. He's a referee, calling a foul, albeit in a football-ref style with a football penalty. Which is the entire joke. Can we please vote on this and get it over with? I think this rivals "gamble/gambol" for most inane debate ever on this wiki.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Voting has never really been Wiki policy outside of the now-decommissioned STUFF (which this wouldn't fall under anyway). And I reiterate: if nothing changes from how it is now (as opposed to when the debate started), you win this debate. So you asking to vote comes off as nothing more than attempting to hide that there ''is'' a debate. (After all, the "gambol" footnote is still on [[Senorial Day]], is it not?) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:For whatever it matters at this late point in the debate, I hear "on". My theory as to why people hear "art": Homestar uses a rather gravelly voice which makes the "n" sound more articulated than it really is. Maybe? Just a thought. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::As a football referee, "Art" makes just as much sense. The "on" would be implicit, and the foul is on "Art Stockton". If "False start, Larry Smith, five yard penalty" makes sense, then so does this. Or i'll make it even clearer. If "Technical foul, Larry Smith, first down!" makes sense, so does this. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 10:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::The thing is, though, foot ball refs give penalties in the format of "(Foul), '''Number (jersey number)''', Offense/Defense, (penalty)." They do not say "(foul), '''(player name)''', (penalty)." So if you want to talk about what makes sense, neither "on" nor "Art" make sense. Also, it should be noted that no one named Art Stockton ever played basketball in anything above high school. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 02:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== "Visible Seam" in goofs? ==

I don't see the visible seam on my screen, no matter how much I zoom in. It's possible that it's just my monitor, so I'm not going to erase that entry or anything, but I just thought I'd bring that up. Does anyone else see it in the current version of the toon? Maybe it's a fixed goof? --[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:It has been fixed. I didn't see it, so I changed the section to "Fixed Goofs" and reworded it. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 22:35, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::It hasn't been fixed because it was never broken. It is simply untrue. I have removed it. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:43, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== Inside references. ==

Does this toon somehow contribute to the idea of Homestar wearing long pants?

The big shoes he held up go over his foot to where his ankles would be, but his shoe puppets only flapped like sandal soles with inlays for tongues.

== That's a lot of emails ==
I'm not sure if this is more notable here or in [[Hremail 7]], if it's notable at all, but if this the two emails' numbering is taken at face value and Homestar was supposed to have checked 1,993 emails between 2001 and 2009 (assuming this email isn't taking place "in the future", which there's no evidence of) he'd having to be checking on average somewhere between four and five emails a week over the course of eight years. Anyone think this is worth noting anywhere? - [[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 21:41, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
: The thing is, the numbering is intentionally wonking. There is no evidence he checked any emails besides the ones we have seen.
::I think jumping from 64, all the way to 2000 is a bit wonky. I think they should have had a more suttle number, like one in the mid hundreds.

== Compu-turds ==

Does any one but me fin it strange that from hremail 64, allo the way to hremail 2000 Homestar has the same computer? and why havent he seen hardly any Happy Hremail? I hate how the Brothers Chaps can really screw up time lines. [[User:Origonalname]]

Talk:Hremail 2000

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==Dipped in ink==
Could the claim in the Easter egg that Shadow Homestar was "dipped in a vat of ink" be a reference to the ending montage of [[dangeresque 3]], where the silhouette of [[Killingyouguy]] was shown to be made by painting Strong Mad in black? It's what came first to my mind, anyway... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 09:22, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:Mine too.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 14:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:: Oh most definitely. Should there be a page for shadow Homestar, or at least a part of the chacter variation page for hime? He seems like a pretty important duplicate.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 21:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::[[Shadow Homestar Runner]]. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 22:58, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I don't really think the page is neccesary (Hope I spelled that right). It should be under Homestar's variations because that is practically him.---{{User:Record307/sig}} 02:17, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::The guy above me is right. Shadow Homestar is merely a slight variation of Homestar. But, Shadow Homestar could come back, and end up just like Homsar.[[User:Origonalname]]

== Shadow Homestar ==
Isn't this a reference to "Shadow Link" in the Legend of Zelda games? We all know TBC are big fans, so possibilities?
--[[User:Lustmyeyes|lustmyeyes <3]] 10:41, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:I think lots of video game characters have "shadow" or "dark" versions of themselves, it's quite common, from what I can tell. --[[User:That crazy DumDe!|DumDe]] 16:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::I wish, but the easter egg seems to be referencing the [[Street Fighter]] series. {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 16:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Mortal Kombat as well. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Since the whole scene is a parody of Mortal Kombat, I kinda think the Noob Saibot line holds some water. Another "ambiguous reference" about the ubiquitousness of "shadow" characters may also be appropriate. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 01:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::For what it's worth, the original "Prince of Persia" was almost certainly the first game to have such a "shadow" opponent... predates Mortal Kombat by 3 years. --[[User:dmz|dmz]] 08:30, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::I think we're best off with the ambiguous reference, like we already have on the page, though i wouldn't mind a nod to noob in the same line, since it IS mortal kombat after all. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Frankly, I'm against any reference at all to Noob Saibot - he wasn't all-black, just gray, and he didn't copy the moves of any character in particular. In his initial appearance, there were MULTIPLE characters that looked like him aside from the color scheme. If it's got anything at all to do with Mortal Kombat, it's almost certainly the mirror matches that were in the original game. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:04, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:It's Jung! Carl Jung! The shadow self represents our insecurities, the elements of our psyche we repress! To do battle with the shadow self is to cease projecting these qualities onto others and acknowledge them in our self! -SFC
:: What the crap? What are you talking/spamming about? Okay, Mr. Preacher, could you keep your ramblings to yourself or would you care to explain what you mean? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::: Jungian psychology describes the archetype (the common form present in everyone's understanding of the world) of the shadow self. The shadow self is, as I said, the part of ourself we don't consciously recognise - not necessarily the 'bad' parts, but the parts we don't think of as really 'us'. Part of psychological development, in this model, is acknowledging these elements - engaging with the shadow self, 'doing battle with it', and merging with it to form a more complete, healthy being. So, basically, Jung attributes to this root cause all the mythical examples of shadow selves - and his work predates video games, naturally. -SFC
::::You guys are getting a bit out of hand here. Jung? All I think is that it is similar to shadow link, and nowhere near as important as you guys are saying it is. This is like the Homsar laugh thing from the Career Day discussion all over again![[User:Origonalname]]]

== Multiples again? ==
It should probably be noted that this is another instance of [[duplicate characters]], both with the 3rd Homestar leg (which is obviously not part of homestar when he's shown on the basketball court) and possibly also because of the Shadow Homestar. [[Special:Contributions/72.70.158.239|72.70.158.239]] 13:56, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:'''Agree'''. Yeah we should probably note the third leg.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 14:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Done.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 19:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Except the three leg thing has really nothing to do with "shadow Homestar"... --[[Special:Contributions/71.58.29.180|71.58.29.180]] 23:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::::No one said it did... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:52, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

==Homestar's Arms==
I'm no master at editing wikis, so I think I'll just mention it here. There should probably be something about how Homestar holds a big sock, then a big shoe, then a bigger sock, and then a bigger shoe, more than someone could hold with two hands (as he lifts them up seperately, and they don't move afterwards).
:There is a place to do that. I'll try to find it for consistancy. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 17:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Try going [[invisible arms|here]]. I also added a remark on the article. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 17:51, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, does anyone else think the Chaps are doing this on purpose now? I notice the whole "doing-things-that-would-require-more-than-two-arms" controversy has seemed to heighten somewhat on this wiki lately, so are they just adding fuel to the fire? Do they ''enjoy'' making those who try to find at least some level of vague sense-make in the cartoon squirm uncomfortably in their seats? (Not that I'm one of those people, I'm just sayin'. It's a weird co-weenky-dink.) [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I believe one of their commentaries mentioned the wiki, so they definitely know what goes on here. Probably amused their dumb little animal cartoon is causing so much silly bantering. My take is it's, 'relax, it's just a cartoon." And giant hands. Just because they're invisible doesn't mean they have to be normal sized!
:::::He holds them up individually, so unless he has REALLY big fingers..... -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:26, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

What if he has one arm, holds an item, uses the other arm to put an item in his first arm, takes the second arm, puts the item in the first arm (this part would be hard, but not entirely impossible) and then holds the last item in the second arm (optionally, he could take the third item and transfer it back to the second)
:Yeah, it is actually possible to manipulate your fingers in a way where you can hold all four items at once, especially considering how light even giant socks are.
::I Don't think the Chaps meant to confuse you by having Homestar hold 4 things at once. I think it is more of a goof that they didn't have Homestar put down the extra items. This is one of those things that just don't make all that much sense. Just relax, it's not like it's the end of the world.[[User:Origonalname]]

== Dream ==
When marzipan says that "the whole last season was just a dream", could this be a reference to the infamous ending of the Sopranos Tv series?
:This is the fourth suggestion so far as to what show it's referring to. I think that pretty much makes it something that can't be pinned to any one thing. The other three are Roseanne, Dallas, and Newhart, as seen when i removed them [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Hremail_2000&diff=627207&oldid=627205&rcid=586009 here]. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:44, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Dallas did it first and is most famous for it. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 21:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::The show Newhart is arguably the most famous as making the ''entire show'' was a dream in his earlier show. But I don't want to get into an argument about which is "more famous", because if one is mentioned, they all need to be. The best way is to make an ambiguous reference. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:33, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
There's a big controversy on how to include a remark about how "the entire last season was a dream." Why not just add a non-specific reference like; "Several prime-time shows have revealed in the season's last episode that the entire season had merely been a dream."? I'm not good at writing these things though, but i'm sure someone could make it sound very good and succinct. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:01, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:Why hasn't anyone else thought of this? Nice idea. -Nonuser mster24
::I'll take a shot at it. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, it's up. Wasn't sure whether to put it in Explanations or Real-World References, but if I've erred someone can move it. I tried to word it as succinctly as I could, but of course if someone can reword it better, go for it. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:13, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Great summary, that's better than I could have put it. However, I believe that it belongs under Real-World references as it really isn't explaining anything rather than mention something said is referring to a real-life show(s). -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:29, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Actually, general references to culture rather than references to something specific go in explanations. it's in the right place. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::I almost changed it, but realized the same thing trying to rephrase it. I like it where it is. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::There has only been one show where they had an entire season which was a dream. That was Dallas. This is a direct, complete reference to Dallas. -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]]
:::-as opposed to NEWHART which was only 8 seasons dreamed up. If I do my math right, NEWHART is 800% more direct than Dallas. My point is, there's more than one show which did that and we have the reference already in the article. We appreciate your input, but this has been discussed. Please see above. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 22:32, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Well, not necessarily. One could argue that, by the "math" of the transitive <strike>butt</strike> gimmick property, Dallas: 1 season = 100% direct reference by what Marzi said, whereas Newhart: 1 series/8 seasons = 0% direct reference by what Marzi said. And as much as love Bob Newhart, I really think Dallas is the most likely reference (this coming from someone who hasn't even seen Dallas, but is just familiar with certain famous attributes, this being one of them). Having said that, though, I don't think there's a strong enough case to put that specific one in the article, so I don't think there's any other way to do it, no matter how much I hate general, ambiguous references (I usually don't find 'em very useful). (Though I do maintain that Dallas did it first, in the 85-86 season (Newhart ended in 1990), and that they've referenced Dallas at least once in the past, with the [[Caleb Rentpayer]] thing.) -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 22:47, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::The Trope link, on the other hand, makes a general reference much more useful. Anonny satisfied! -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 23:27, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::First of all, it would be 800% AS direct, not 800% more direct. Secondly Newhart presumes the entire series was a dream (and entirely for comedic effect, not even pretending to be realistic). If marzipan had said the entire series was a dream, then it would make sense. Dallas is the only series to have had a "Dream Season" which is what Marzipan says -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]]
:::::The only point I was proving is that Dallas is not the only show that has done it (while Dallas may have been first). All I is saying is that it shouldn't be a specific reference. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Since when is TV Tropes Wiki a reliable source for anything? -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 19:36, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Since TBC started making reference to TV tropes... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:38, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Show me where they did this. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 00:46, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, there's two of them in this very toon, and tons of others all over the place. they spoof pop culture a lot. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:50, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Oh. I thought you meant they referenced the TV Tropes website itself, in which case a link would be appropriate. As it is I don't see why the links shouldn't be replaced with Wikipedia articles that explain the concepts. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]]
::::::::::::Because tropes does a better job at documenting and describing them, and is more specific. that's why. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:06, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::True as that may be, that's not my point. Maybe I wasn't being clear enough. My point in my original edit was that I don't see how TV Tropes is a reliable source. I mean, Wikipedia's not perfect, but I'd take it over a site that openly says it has few standards and is mostly for fun any day. I mean, yeah, it's kinda entertaining sometimes, and I get the feeling some people are actually trying provide objective information about common plot devices and media conventions, after visiting that site for nearly two years I get the impression that a large chunk of the contributors are more concerned with informing everyone that Doctor Who/Avatar The Last Airbender/Discworld/some furry webcomic is awesome and every other piece of fiction ever written is crap. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 02:16, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:Other shows have done it, but Dallas is arguably the most well-known, especially given the Brothers Chaps' ages. Not to mention, that website doesn't even mention it, just a bunch of anime references...I don't know if it's really what fits in here.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 13:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::To elaborate, the Newhart ending was itself a parody of the tendency of 80s TV shows to turn to the "it was all a dream" copout to throw away story elements they didn't like, resurrect characters, move the show to Jupiter, etc. That ending is also widely regarded as one of the best moments in TV history. In contrast, there was a lot of aggravation that Dallas decided to just throw away an entire season's worth of story as just being a dream, which Marzipan's annoyance definitely alludes to. Frankly, I think the mathematically questionable attempts to say that it refers to this or that ought to give way to what folks older than 20 or so will recognize as a clear Dallas reference.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 13:20, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Just how does TV Tropes do "a better job at documenting and describing [concepts]" than this very wiki? To me, that website is the very definition of ""[[unnatural|an organized forum for people to shout out their ideas all at the same time]]": it's a complete mess of potentially interesting information, which overwhelms the reader due to a complete lack of standards and formatting. You claim that we should make ANY specific references to any examples of "dream seasons" (what's wrong with mentioning just two or three extremely well-known examples?), yet then link to some website that attempts to list every single use of dreams in all the films, TV programmes, anime, manga and video games that it can think of? Do we really need to pass the buck this badly? Instead, we should all take a look at a similar problem that happened a while ago with [[bottom 10]]; the problem involved "songs that try to pass off la la's, na na's, and doot do's as legit lyrics". There are a million songs this statement could be referencing, so it was decided that we would only make three well-known references and leave it at that. A similar solution should be taken with this article; we add a sentence to the fact along the lines of "Notable example of 'dream seasons' include Dallas, Newhart and Roseanne," and an invisble comment asking people not to make any more references. It might be OK to keep the link to TV Tropes if enough people want to, but at least don't leave our explaination of the concept as it is. It just looks terribly generic and wishy-washy unless the link is followed. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:I'd forgotten about ''Roseanne''. ''Dallas'' is the only example I find where the writers wrote themselves into a corner and out of desperation wiped out the whole season. I would not support listing ''Newhart'', as that final episode wiped out the entire ''series'' and was played for laughs. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
It just occurred to me that I forgot to add an alternative to the Tropes link, so it looks like I'm complaining instead of trying to improve the article. Sorry about that. For the record, I think that a general explanation of the concept with one or two references to the most popular examples, like what somebody suggested above, would suffice. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]]

Can we just add at the end of the reference a couple of examples? Just make it "Marzipan's remark that the entire last season was just a dream refers to a gimmick employed by several television series in which such a revelation is made, usually in the last episode of that season, in series such as ''Dallas'' or ''Roseanne''." I think it would make the reference better, while still leaving it open ended. --[[User:Zonis|Zonis]] 03:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

::Hey! Every one! May I have your attention please! Might I ask why 65% of this is about something that has absolutely nothing to do with what this was origonaly being talked about? Lets just all do what the Chort up there suggested.I hate stuff that just rambles on and on about pointless jank for ever and ever. let that be my final word! [[User:Origonalname]]

== Homestar's Shoes? ==

Think it should be noted somewheres that Homestar's feet/shoes act like (and are referred to as) shoes in this toon? As far as I know, there's been a dispute over whether Homestar wears shoes or not, and this, especially the puppet show, could possibly confirm that he does.-Nonuser mster24
:Or that he doesn't. Note the fact that in that one closeup, his supposed "shoes" have those gnarly wart-looking things and his leg region is shown to have hair, despite the fact that there's no clear boundary between his "shoes/feet" and his legs. Just another wrench in the works-of-clearing-up-ambiguity is my guess. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Either way, we include references to his shoes on [[Homestar Runner's Pants]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:12, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::in the toon about Homestar's pants, it says that he has blue soles glued onto his feet. but yet, here it suggests that he has actual shoes. this is another one of the major goofs of Homestarrunner.com. [[User:Origonalname]]

== Foot Pelts ==
Is this easter egg another instance of [[Strong Sad]]'s implied [[death]]? [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 00:03, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Implied amputation isn't implied death. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::It could go here though -> [[Severed Body Parts]] -02:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Why not? In [[modeling]], Strong Sad informs Strong Bad that poachers have been after his feet.
:: No, no, no, no, no! You people misintuprited this. Strong Bad is walking around in "someone else's slighty larger foot pelts", and he likes the feeling of it. In [[diorama]], it was revealed that Strong Sad wore Dr. Soolnd's Medicated Shoes, so those might not even be his feet, but his "slighty larger foot pelts" that Homestar mentioned. He is wearing Strong Sa's SHOES! At least, that's my inturpritation of the joke. Oh well, maybe not... --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
== Cow Clips ==

The "Cow Clips" Homestar uses on his shoes are Binder Clips, also known as Bulldog Clips.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binder_clip --[[User:Zonis|Zonis]] 19:49, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:The transcript already calls them binder clips. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::It's easy to see how someone could go from "bulldog clips" to "cow clips", but to me, it just seemed like some random association Homestar was making. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:14 6 Feb 2009}}

== Swiss-ness ==

"swiss miss" is a brand of hot cocoa and other food-esque items. to be included in real-world references? --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman (Neumannz)]] 20:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:And [[Wikipedia:Swiss Miss (disambiguation)|many other things]] as well. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:44, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

== Missle vs. Missal ==

When Homestar says "today's missle," I think he is actually saying "Today's Missal," a publication found at nearly every Catholic church. See: http://www.ocp.org/products/tm Also see the Wikipedia article on Missal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missal
Should this be included in explanations or maybe real-world references?
:It's a [[malapropism]] for "missive". "Missile" has the benefit of being one letter off. "Missal" does not. The pronunciation is the same. I say "missile" is fine. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:I think "missal". Mostly because both are written materials, a much more closely related semantic field than "missile" would be. (Although, one could make the argument that Homestar misread a teleprompter or queue card).
::In [[senorial day]] when there was a homonym debate, we put a footnote. -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.17|128.103.10.17]] 03:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::That was a stretch, this is a bigger one. There's no reason to throw in an uncommon term like missal when the common term will suffice. Barring some sort of direct mention to the contrary by the Brothers Chaps, I don't see how a footnote would be necessary.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:57, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::As I stated above, at least missive and missal share the common semantic domain of written documents, whereas missile does not. And considering that TBC do have some Catholic roots to them, it's very likely that they could have meant missal. I do not think you can simply dismiss one over the other without some solid rationale for doing so. At the very least, "missal" could be added parenthetically. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:02 6 Feb 2009}}
::::*Also, this is further complicated by the possibility that this is a portmanteau of "missive" and "epistle". {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:09 6 Feb 2009}}
::::To be extremely nitpicky, they're homo''phones''. If they were homonyms, we wouldn't be having this discussion. ;) I stick with "missile", but a large part of that is the fact that I had never heard of the word "missal" before this conversation. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:28, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Long Pants ==

Remember when Strong Bad asserted that Homestar "simply has blue soles glued to the bottom of his feet"? Should that be mentioned?
:Since they don't mention it in this toon, I don't see why it should be mentioned in the wiki. Also, this toon clearly indicates that Homestar is wearing shoes, since he mentions them by their brand name, and he shows a couple of larger versions of the same shoes.--[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Power forward ==

Why isn't [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_forward_(basketball) power forward] explained? [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 23:01, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:Who knows? Feel free to add it if you'd like. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 23:07, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::I added the explanation, and I also explained what it means to "post up" and I clarified "in the paint" a bit, but I'm sure what I wrote could be worded better. By the way, this is my first time editing. [[User:Willstar|Willstar]] 05:15, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

== Art Stockton ==

I hear "Technical foul ''on'' Stockton", not "Art Stockton". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:I would agree that that makes SLIGHTLY more sense, however, the "T" is clearly audible. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:26, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::it makes entirely more sense. In that "On Stockton" makes sense, and "Art Stockton" doesn't. Also, that "clearly audilbe T" isn't. I hear "on" every time.[[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 21:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Is it "Art"? I think so, but I'm not 100% sure. What I ''am'' 100% sure of is that it is ''not'' "On". And even if it was, who puts the stress on a preposition? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Oh, and one more thing. "Art" makes ''exactly'' as much sense as "Stockton" in this context — it's short for "Arthur". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Definitely "Art Stockton" rather than "on".
::::After cramming my left ear up to my computer speaker and listening to it like 7 times, I deduced that it's "on Stockton." {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 03:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::I hear on, myself. -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.17|128.103.10.17]] 03:50, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Sounds like on to me, he's just talking like a referee.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Just listened to it again. I don't know how on earth someone could interpret that as "Art." It's clearly "on." There's not even Homestar's usually twisted version of R present, let alone a T sound. Short O is something Homestar is not known for having trouble with, and that's clearly what he's saying. Might want to clean the wax out, guys.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::No, it's clearly "Art." Try turning the volume up on your speakers or something. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:07 6 Feb 2009}}
::::::::Uncertain on how clear the "T" is, but a) it sounds ''exactly'' like when Homestar attempts an "R" (or "awr"), b) there isn't a clear "N" either, and c) I re-stress the stress. If it was "On", one would think the stress would be on "Stockton", but it isn't; it's on that first word. If one was to say (as though it were a name) "Art Stockton", the stress would more likely be on "Art". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Other possibilities, BTW, include "Arn" (short for "Arnold") or "Ott" (short for "Otto"). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: Ok, although I've clearly heard "on Stockton" every time, I went ahead and sampled that part of the toon and slowed it way down in Audacity. I think it makes it very clear that he's saying "On Stockton." Here's a link to the mp3 so you can hear it yourself and decide: [http://www.efn.org/~jbl/hsr/stockton.mp3] --[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:48, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: He's saying it funny because he's talking like a referee would in such a situation. "This action...on XX...this penalty!" No offense to anyone, but I think you're crazy if you're hearing "Art." There's nothing even vaguely resembling it there, nor does it make any sense in that context in a way that would lead to a punchline.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 22:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::He's clearly saying "'''on''' Stockton," because he's assessing the foul ''on'' Stockton. Perhaps you're hearing "Art" or "Arn" because of the echo. And for that matter, the most well-known player named Stockton to ever play basketball was ''John'' Stockton. [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 09:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Still doesn't sound like "on" to me. Besides, who said he's referring to a basketball player? Homestar's playing "baskeeball". Which, apparently, uses first downs. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:48, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm seeing what looks like consensus here. Suggest removing the extraneous footnote. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 23:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
: What consensus are you seeing? The footnote stays. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:45, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
::Agreed... this isn't consensus... and he doesn't say "on". {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, it seems like <strike>two</strike> three people think it's Art and a lot more think it's on (.. and it is), which is more of a consensus than cases that have been called consensus before. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::And by a lot I mean, like, 7 or so... -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:46, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think you need to learn the not-so-subtle difference between consensus and a vote. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:52, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::The difference is consensus is what's accepted here and vote is not. Talking about prior cases on the wiki would never refer to a vote, unless STUFF is involved. And to address a separate issue, one of the arguments for Art is that the T is supposedly clearly audible, but then it's also claimed that "Arn" is possible. (Even if it were "Art", I think "Arn" is much less likely. It's a much less common nickname, imo). So which is it? Audible T or no T? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I am unable to make out the consonant fully at all. I think it's a "T" and don't at all believe it's an "N"; I merely suggested "Arn" as an attempt at compromise. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::K, well, if nobody seems to think it's Arn, I think the footnote is better with just Art. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 01:18, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Jay, you're hearing the "T" in Stockton and attaching it to the first word. It's '''on'''. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:19, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Right, I'm hearing the "T" in "Stockton" ''before'' the "S". 9_9 --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Think about it from a common sense perspective. They're trying to be funny: what's funny about "Art" or "Arn" or "Ott?" Nothing. There's no punchline; even when the Brothers Chaps are random, there's some sort of punchline to it, like Homsar's nonsensical response to Strong Sad asking him if he was going to say anything in DNA Evidence. Their references are always direct, joke A to popular culture point B. Stockton makes sense as a reference to John Stockton, an NBA player; Art Stockton makes no sense, and isn't funny. I've never, ever heard anyone use "Arn" as short for Arnold, or "Ott" as short for Otto, ever. I think that if you have to stretch the logic way out and create a web of connections to justify a reference, then barring a direct mention from the Brothers Chaps in a commentary or something it shouldn't be considered a legitimate reference.
Good grief, I can't believe I'm still going on about this.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
: What's funny about "On"? I already said I believed it was "Art" and only introduced the others as potential compromises. What reference? And the punchline was most obviously the "first down" part (if not the part where the puppet is appearing ''at all''.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:59, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::As I and the anony above said already, he's talking like a referee in a football game (randomness with a punchline) assessing a technical foul against "Stockton" (Marzipan). It's very simple. Don't make things so complicated in this; like I said, the more you try to find some sort of twisted web of logic to justify an extreme reference, the less sense it will all make. The most obvious reference is probably the right one, again barring something to the contrary from the creators.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::In what way am I making this complicated? I'm simply saying that what I hear is closer to "Art" than "On" and I don't see how making it "On" makes it any funnier as you previously said. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I agree with Big Dog. He's saying "on Stockton." As I said before, I think you're all hearing the echo and it's muffling what's actually being said. For the referee to say "Art Stockton" doesn't make any sense, even when it comes to TBC being random. [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 06:56, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Sure it does. Think of it this way, what if he said "False start, Larry Smith, five yard penalty"? would you say that that made so sense? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, that does make sense, but like I said, Homestar's playing basketball (even if he pronounced it weird), and John Stockton is the most famous "Stockton" to ever play basketball. That being said, to say "Art Stockton" doesn't make any sense at all, even for TBC. I just don't see how anyone could think it's anything other than the referee assessing the foul "'''on''' Stockton." [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 19:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::It makes every bit as much sense as [[Happy Hallow-Day|every]] [[Cool Things|other]] [[cheat talk|time]] TBC randomly mention the name of a character who doesn't exist, so yeah, this fits with TBC's style entirely. Anyway, the argument's pretty moot by now. You've already essentially won. The transcript says "On", which it did not do when this topic was created. The footnote is there to show that there is a disagreement. Removing the footnote would show that the people who originally argued for the footnote's point have recanted — which is obviously not the case. This is this Wiki's standard. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, there's no footnote in Jibblies 2, even though the arguers didn't recant. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.34|132.183.138.34]] 20:01, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::To add to the counterargument, your claim that "it makes no sense because he's playing basketball" actually goes to support our side... the whole sentence is supposed to not make sense. I mean, have you ever seen anyone get a first down in basketball? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Which is the entire point, which is why "Technical foul, on Stockton" is what he said. He's a referee, calling a foul, albeit in a football-ref style with a football penalty. Which is the entire joke. Can we please vote on this and get it over with? I think this rivals "gamble/gambol" for most inane debate ever on this wiki.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Voting has never really been Wiki policy outside of the now-decommissioned STUFF (which this wouldn't fall under anyway). And I reiterate: if nothing changes from how it is now (as opposed to when the debate started), you win this debate. So you asking to vote comes off as nothing more than attempting to hide that there ''is'' a debate. (After all, the "gambol" footnote is still on [[Senorial Day]], is it not?) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:For whatever it matters at this late point in the debate, I hear "on". My theory as to why people hear "art": Homestar uses a rather gravelly voice which makes the "n" sound more articulated than it really is. Maybe? Just a thought. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::As a football referee, "Art" makes just as much sense. The "on" would be implicit, and the foul is on "Art Stockton". If "False start, Larry Smith, five yard penalty" makes sense, then so does this. Or i'll make it even clearer. If "Technical foul, Larry Smith, first down!" makes sense, so does this. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 10:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::The thing is, though, foot ball refs give penalties in the format of "(Foul), '''Number (jersey number)''', Offense/Defense, (penalty)." They do not say "(foul), '''(player name)''', (penalty)." So if you want to talk about what makes sense, neither "on" nor "Art" make sense. Also, it should be noted that no one named Art Stockton ever played basketball in anything above high school. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 02:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== "Visible Seam" in goofs? ==

I don't see the visible seam on my screen, no matter how much I zoom in. It's possible that it's just my monitor, so I'm not going to erase that entry or anything, but I just thought I'd bring that up. Does anyone else see it in the current version of the toon? Maybe it's a fixed goof? --[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:It has been fixed. I didn't see it, so I changed the section to "Fixed Goofs" and reworded it. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 22:35, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::It hasn't been fixed because it was never broken. It is simply untrue. I have removed it. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:43, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== Inside references. ==

Does this toon somehow contribute to the idea of Homestar wearing long pants?

The big shoes he held up go over his foot to where his ankles would be, but his shoe puppets only flapped like sandal soles with inlays for tongues.

== That's a lot of emails ==
I'm not sure if this is more notable here or in [[Hremail 7]], if it's notable at all, but if this the two emails' numbering is taken at face value and Homestar was supposed to have checked 1,993 emails between 2001 and 2009 (assuming this email isn't taking place "in the future", which there's no evidence of) he'd having to be checking on average somewhere between four and five emails a week over the course of eight years. Anyone think this is worth noting anywhere? - [[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 21:41, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
: The thing is, the numbering is intentionally wonking. There is no evidence he checked any emails besides the ones we have seen.
::I think jumping from 64, all the way to 2000 is a bit wonky. I think they should have had a more suttle number, like one in the mid hundreds.

== Compu-turds ==

does any one but me fin it strange that from hremail 64, allo the way to hremail 2000 Homestar has the same computer? and why havent he seen hardly any Happy Hremail? I hate how the Brothers Chaps can really screw up time lines.

Talk:Hremail 2000

Origonalname — Sat, 23 May 2009 22:17:42 GMT

Origonalname: /* That's a lot of emails */

==Dipped in ink==
Could the claim in the Easter egg that Shadow Homestar was "dipped in a vat of ink" be a reference to the ending montage of [[dangeresque 3]], where the silhouette of [[Killingyouguy]] was shown to be made by painting Strong Mad in black? It's what came first to my mind, anyway... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 09:22, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:Mine too.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 14:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:: Oh most definitely. Should there be a page for shadow Homestar, or at least a part of the chacter variation page for hime? He seems like a pretty important duplicate.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 21:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::[[Shadow Homestar Runner]]. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 22:58, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I don't really think the page is neccesary (Hope I spelled that right). It should be under Homestar's variations because that is practically him.---{{User:Record307/sig}} 02:17, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::The guy above me is right. Shadow Homestar is merely a slight variation of Homestar. But, Shadow Homestar could come back, and end up just like Homsar.[[User:Origonalname]]

== Shadow Homestar ==
Isn't this a reference to "Shadow Link" in the Legend of Zelda games? We all know TBC are big fans, so possibilities?
--[[User:Lustmyeyes|lustmyeyes <3]] 10:41, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:I think lots of video game characters have "shadow" or "dark" versions of themselves, it's quite common, from what I can tell. --[[User:That crazy DumDe!|DumDe]] 16:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::I wish, but the easter egg seems to be referencing the [[Street Fighter]] series. {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 16:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Mortal Kombat as well. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Since the whole scene is a parody of Mortal Kombat, I kinda think the Noob Saibot line holds some water. Another "ambiguous reference" about the ubiquitousness of "shadow" characters may also be appropriate. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 01:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::For what it's worth, the original "Prince of Persia" was almost certainly the first game to have such a "shadow" opponent... predates Mortal Kombat by 3 years. --[[User:dmz|dmz]] 08:30, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::I think we're best off with the ambiguous reference, like we already have on the page, though i wouldn't mind a nod to noob in the same line, since it IS mortal kombat after all. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Frankly, I'm against any reference at all to Noob Saibot - he wasn't all-black, just gray, and he didn't copy the moves of any character in particular. In his initial appearance, there were MULTIPLE characters that looked like him aside from the color scheme. If it's got anything at all to do with Mortal Kombat, it's almost certainly the mirror matches that were in the original game. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:04, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:It's Jung! Carl Jung! The shadow self represents our insecurities, the elements of our psyche we repress! To do battle with the shadow self is to cease projecting these qualities onto others and acknowledge them in our self! -SFC
:: What the crap? What are you talking/spamming about? Okay, Mr. Preacher, could you keep your ramblings to yourself or would you care to explain what you mean? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::: Jungian psychology describes the archetype (the common form present in everyone's understanding of the world) of the shadow self. The shadow self is, as I said, the part of ourself we don't consciously recognise - not necessarily the 'bad' parts, but the parts we don't think of as really 'us'. Part of psychological development, in this model, is acknowledging these elements - engaging with the shadow self, 'doing battle with it', and merging with it to form a more complete, healthy being. So, basically, Jung attributes to this root cause all the mythical examples of shadow selves - and his work predates video games, naturally. -SFC
::::You guys are getting a bit out of hand here. Jung? All I think is that it is similar to shadow link, and nowhere near as important as you guys are saying it is. This is like the Homsar laugh thing from the Career Day discussion all over again![[User:Origonalname]]]

== Multiples again? ==
It should probably be noted that this is another instance of [[duplicate characters]], both with the 3rd Homestar leg (which is obviously not part of homestar when he's shown on the basketball court) and possibly also because of the Shadow Homestar. [[Special:Contributions/72.70.158.239|72.70.158.239]] 13:56, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:'''Agree'''. Yeah we should probably note the third leg.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 14:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Done.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 19:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Except the three leg thing has really nothing to do with "shadow Homestar"... --[[Special:Contributions/71.58.29.180|71.58.29.180]] 23:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::::No one said it did... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:52, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

==Homestar's Arms==
I'm no master at editing wikis, so I think I'll just mention it here. There should probably be something about how Homestar holds a big sock, then a big shoe, then a bigger sock, and then a bigger shoe, more than someone could hold with two hands (as he lifts them up seperately, and they don't move afterwards).
:There is a place to do that. I'll try to find it for consistancy. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 17:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Try going [[invisible arms|here]]. I also added a remark on the article. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 17:51, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, does anyone else think the Chaps are doing this on purpose now? I notice the whole "doing-things-that-would-require-more-than-two-arms" controversy has seemed to heighten somewhat on this wiki lately, so are they just adding fuel to the fire? Do they ''enjoy'' making those who try to find at least some level of vague sense-make in the cartoon squirm uncomfortably in their seats? (Not that I'm one of those people, I'm just sayin'. It's a weird co-weenky-dink.) [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I believe one of their commentaries mentioned the wiki, so they definitely know what goes on here. Probably amused their dumb little animal cartoon is causing so much silly bantering. My take is it's, 'relax, it's just a cartoon." And giant hands. Just because they're invisible doesn't mean they have to be normal sized!
:::::He holds them up individually, so unless he has REALLY big fingers..... -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:26, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

What if he has one arm, holds an item, uses the other arm to put an item in his first arm, takes the second arm, puts the item in the first arm (this part would be hard, but not entirely impossible) and then holds the last item in the second arm (optionally, he could take the third item and transfer it back to the second)
:Yeah, it is actually possible to manipulate your fingers in a way where you can hold all four items at once, especially considering how light even giant socks are.
::I Don't think the Chaps meant to confuse you by having Homestar hold 4 things at once. I think it is more of a goof that they didn't have Homestar put down the extra items. This is one of those things that just don't make all that much sense. Just relax, it's not like it's the end of the world.[[User:Origonalname]]

== Dream ==
When marzipan says that "the whole last season was just a dream", could this be a reference to the infamous ending of the Sopranos Tv series?
:This is the fourth suggestion so far as to what show it's referring to. I think that pretty much makes it something that can't be pinned to any one thing. The other three are Roseanne, Dallas, and Newhart, as seen when i removed them [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Hremail_2000&diff=627207&oldid=627205&rcid=586009 here]. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:44, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Dallas did it first and is most famous for it. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 21:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::The show Newhart is arguably the most famous as making the ''entire show'' was a dream in his earlier show. But I don't want to get into an argument about which is "more famous", because if one is mentioned, they all need to be. The best way is to make an ambiguous reference. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:33, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
There's a big controversy on how to include a remark about how "the entire last season was a dream." Why not just add a non-specific reference like; "Several prime-time shows have revealed in the season's last episode that the entire season had merely been a dream."? I'm not good at writing these things though, but i'm sure someone could make it sound very good and succinct. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:01, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:Why hasn't anyone else thought of this? Nice idea. -Nonuser mster24
::I'll take a shot at it. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, it's up. Wasn't sure whether to put it in Explanations or Real-World References, but if I've erred someone can move it. I tried to word it as succinctly as I could, but of course if someone can reword it better, go for it. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:13, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Great summary, that's better than I could have put it. However, I believe that it belongs under Real-World references as it really isn't explaining anything rather than mention something said is referring to a real-life show(s). -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:29, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Actually, general references to culture rather than references to something specific go in explanations. it's in the right place. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::I almost changed it, but realized the same thing trying to rephrase it. I like it where it is. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::There has only been one show where they had an entire season which was a dream. That was Dallas. This is a direct, complete reference to Dallas. -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]]
:::-as opposed to NEWHART which was only 8 seasons dreamed up. If I do my math right, NEWHART is 800% more direct than Dallas. My point is, there's more than one show which did that and we have the reference already in the article. We appreciate your input, but this has been discussed. Please see above. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 22:32, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Well, not necessarily. One could argue that, by the "math" of the transitive <strike>butt</strike> gimmick property, Dallas: 1 season = 100% direct reference by what Marzi said, whereas Newhart: 1 series/8 seasons = 0% direct reference by what Marzi said. And as much as love Bob Newhart, I really think Dallas is the most likely reference (this coming from someone who hasn't even seen Dallas, but is just familiar with certain famous attributes, this being one of them). Having said that, though, I don't think there's a strong enough case to put that specific one in the article, so I don't think there's any other way to do it, no matter how much I hate general, ambiguous references (I usually don't find 'em very useful). (Though I do maintain that Dallas did it first, in the 85-86 season (Newhart ended in 1990), and that they've referenced Dallas at least once in the past, with the [[Caleb Rentpayer]] thing.) -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 22:47, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::The Trope link, on the other hand, makes a general reference much more useful. Anonny satisfied! -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 23:27, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::First of all, it would be 800% AS direct, not 800% more direct. Secondly Newhart presumes the entire series was a dream (and entirely for comedic effect, not even pretending to be realistic). If marzipan had said the entire series was a dream, then it would make sense. Dallas is the only series to have had a "Dream Season" which is what Marzipan says -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]]
:::::The only point I was proving is that Dallas is not the only show that has done it (while Dallas may have been first). All I is saying is that it shouldn't be a specific reference. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Since when is TV Tropes Wiki a reliable source for anything? -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 19:36, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Since TBC started making reference to TV tropes... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:38, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Show me where they did this. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 00:46, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, there's two of them in this very toon, and tons of others all over the place. they spoof pop culture a lot. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:50, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Oh. I thought you meant they referenced the TV Tropes website itself, in which case a link would be appropriate. As it is I don't see why the links shouldn't be replaced with Wikipedia articles that explain the concepts. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]]
::::::::::::Because tropes does a better job at documenting and describing them, and is more specific. that's why. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:06, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::True as that may be, that's not my point. Maybe I wasn't being clear enough. My point in my original edit was that I don't see how TV Tropes is a reliable source. I mean, Wikipedia's not perfect, but I'd take it over a site that openly says it has few standards and is mostly for fun any day. I mean, yeah, it's kinda entertaining sometimes, and I get the feeling some people are actually trying provide objective information about common plot devices and media conventions, after visiting that site for nearly two years I get the impression that a large chunk of the contributors are more concerned with informing everyone that Doctor Who/Avatar The Last Airbender/Discworld/some furry webcomic is awesome and every other piece of fiction ever written is crap. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 02:16, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:Other shows have done it, but Dallas is arguably the most well-known, especially given the Brothers Chaps' ages. Not to mention, that website doesn't even mention it, just a bunch of anime references...I don't know if it's really what fits in here.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 13:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::To elaborate, the Newhart ending was itself a parody of the tendency of 80s TV shows to turn to the "it was all a dream" copout to throw away story elements they didn't like, resurrect characters, move the show to Jupiter, etc. That ending is also widely regarded as one of the best moments in TV history. In contrast, there was a lot of aggravation that Dallas decided to just throw away an entire season's worth of story as just being a dream, which Marzipan's annoyance definitely alludes to. Frankly, I think the mathematically questionable attempts to say that it refers to this or that ought to give way to what folks older than 20 or so will recognize as a clear Dallas reference.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 13:20, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Just how does TV Tropes do "a better job at documenting and describing [concepts]" than this very wiki? To me, that website is the very definition of ""[[unnatural|an organized forum for people to shout out their ideas all at the same time]]": it's a complete mess of potentially interesting information, which overwhelms the reader due to a complete lack of standards and formatting. You claim that we should make ANY specific references to any examples of "dream seasons" (what's wrong with mentioning just two or three extremely well-known examples?), yet then link to some website that attempts to list every single use of dreams in all the films, TV programmes, anime, manga and video games that it can think of? Do we really need to pass the buck this badly? Instead, we should all take a look at a similar problem that happened a while ago with [[bottom 10]]; the problem involved "songs that try to pass off la la's, na na's, and doot do's as legit lyrics". There are a million songs this statement could be referencing, so it was decided that we would only make three well-known references and leave it at that. A similar solution should be taken with this article; we add a sentence to the fact along the lines of "Notable example of 'dream seasons' include Dallas, Newhart and Roseanne," and an invisble comment asking people not to make any more references. It might be OK to keep the link to TV Tropes if enough people want to, but at least don't leave our explaination of the concept as it is. It just looks terribly generic and wishy-washy unless the link is followed. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:I'd forgotten about ''Roseanne''. ''Dallas'' is the only example I find where the writers wrote themselves into a corner and out of desperation wiped out the whole season. I would not support listing ''Newhart'', as that final episode wiped out the entire ''series'' and was played for laughs. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
It just occurred to me that I forgot to add an alternative to the Tropes link, so it looks like I'm complaining instead of trying to improve the article. Sorry about that. For the record, I think that a general explanation of the concept with one or two references to the most popular examples, like what somebody suggested above, would suffice. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]]

Can we just add at the end of the reference a couple of examples? Just make it "Marzipan's remark that the entire last season was just a dream refers to a gimmick employed by several television series in which such a revelation is made, usually in the last episode of that season, in series such as ''Dallas'' or ''Roseanne''." I think it would make the reference better, while still leaving it open ended. --[[User:Zonis|Zonis]] 03:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

::Hey! Every one! May I have your attention please! Might I ask why 65% of this is about something that has absolutely nothing to do with what this was origonaly being talked about? Lets just all do what the Chort up there suggested.I hate stuff that just rambles on and on about pointless jank for ever and ever. let that be my final word! [[User:Origonalname]]

== Homestar's Shoes? ==

Think it should be noted somewheres that Homestar's feet/shoes act like (and are referred to as) shoes in this toon? As far as I know, there's been a dispute over whether Homestar wears shoes or not, and this, especially the puppet show, could possibly confirm that he does.-Nonuser mster24
:Or that he doesn't. Note the fact that in that one closeup, his supposed "shoes" have those gnarly wart-looking things and his leg region is shown to have hair, despite the fact that there's no clear boundary between his "shoes/feet" and his legs. Just another wrench in the works-of-clearing-up-ambiguity is my guess. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Either way, we include references to his shoes on [[Homestar Runner's Pants]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:12, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::in the toon about Homestar's pants, it says that he has blue soles glued onto his feet. but yet, here it suggests that he has actual shoes. this is another one of the major goofs of Homestarrunner.com. [[User:Origonalname]]

== Foot Pelts ==
Is this easter egg another instance of [[Strong Sad]]'s implied [[death]]? [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 00:03, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Implied amputation isn't implied death. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::It could go here though -> [[Severed Body Parts]] -02:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Why not? In [[modeling]], Strong Sad informs Strong Bad that poachers have been after his feet.
:: No, no, no, no, no! You people misintuprited this. Strong Bad is walking around in "someone else's slighty larger foot pelts", and he likes the feeling of it. In [[diorama]], it was revealed that Strong Sad wore Dr. Soolnd's Medicated Shoes, so those might not even be his feet, but his "slighty larger foot pelts" that Homestar mentioned. He is wearing Strong Sa's SHOES! At least, that's my inturpritation of the joke. Oh well, maybe not... --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
== Cow Clips ==

The "Cow Clips" Homestar uses on his shoes are Binder Clips, also known as Bulldog Clips.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binder_clip --[[User:Zonis|Zonis]] 19:49, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:The transcript already calls them binder clips. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::It's easy to see how someone could go from "bulldog clips" to "cow clips", but to me, it just seemed like some random association Homestar was making. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:14 6 Feb 2009}}

== Swiss-ness ==

"swiss miss" is a brand of hot cocoa and other food-esque items. to be included in real-world references? --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman (Neumannz)]] 20:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:And [[Wikipedia:Swiss Miss (disambiguation)|many other things]] as well. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:44, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

== Missle vs. Missal ==

When Homestar says "today's missle," I think he is actually saying "Today's Missal," a publication found at nearly every Catholic church. See: http://www.ocp.org/products/tm Also see the Wikipedia article on Missal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missal
Should this be included in explanations or maybe real-world references?
:It's a [[malapropism]] for "missive". "Missile" has the benefit of being one letter off. "Missal" does not. The pronunciation is the same. I say "missile" is fine. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:I think "missal". Mostly because both are written materials, a much more closely related semantic field than "missile" would be. (Although, one could make the argument that Homestar misread a teleprompter or queue card).
::In [[senorial day]] when there was a homonym debate, we put a footnote. -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.17|128.103.10.17]] 03:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::That was a stretch, this is a bigger one. There's no reason to throw in an uncommon term like missal when the common term will suffice. Barring some sort of direct mention to the contrary by the Brothers Chaps, I don't see how a footnote would be necessary.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:57, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::As I stated above, at least missive and missal share the common semantic domain of written documents, whereas missile does not. And considering that TBC do have some Catholic roots to them, it's very likely that they could have meant missal. I do not think you can simply dismiss one over the other without some solid rationale for doing so. At the very least, "missal" could be added parenthetically. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:02 6 Feb 2009}}
::::*Also, this is further complicated by the possibility that this is a portmanteau of "missive" and "epistle". {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:09 6 Feb 2009}}
::::To be extremely nitpicky, they're homo''phones''. If they were homonyms, we wouldn't be having this discussion. ;) I stick with "missile", but a large part of that is the fact that I had never heard of the word "missal" before this conversation. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:28, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Long Pants ==

Remember when Strong Bad asserted that Homestar "simply has blue soles glued to the bottom of his feet"? Should that be mentioned?
:Since they don't mention it in this toon, I don't see why it should be mentioned in the wiki. Also, this toon clearly indicates that Homestar is wearing shoes, since he mentions them by their brand name, and he shows a couple of larger versions of the same shoes.--[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Power forward ==

Why isn't [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_forward_(basketball) power forward] explained? [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 23:01, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:Who knows? Feel free to add it if you'd like. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 23:07, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::I added the explanation, and I also explained what it means to "post up" and I clarified "in the paint" a bit, but I'm sure what I wrote could be worded better. By the way, this is my first time editing. [[User:Willstar|Willstar]] 05:15, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

== Art Stockton ==

I hear "Technical foul ''on'' Stockton", not "Art Stockton". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:I would agree that that makes SLIGHTLY more sense, however, the "T" is clearly audible. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:26, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::it makes entirely more sense. In that "On Stockton" makes sense, and "Art Stockton" doesn't. Also, that "clearly audilbe T" isn't. I hear "on" every time.[[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 21:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Is it "Art"? I think so, but I'm not 100% sure. What I ''am'' 100% sure of is that it is ''not'' "On". And even if it was, who puts the stress on a preposition? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Oh, and one more thing. "Art" makes ''exactly'' as much sense as "Stockton" in this context — it's short for "Arthur". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Definitely "Art Stockton" rather than "on".
::::After cramming my left ear up to my computer speaker and listening to it like 7 times, I deduced that it's "on Stockton." {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 03:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::I hear on, myself. -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.17|128.103.10.17]] 03:50, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Sounds like on to me, he's just talking like a referee.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Just listened to it again. I don't know how on earth someone could interpret that as "Art." It's clearly "on." There's not even Homestar's usually twisted version of R present, let alone a T sound. Short O is something Homestar is not known for having trouble with, and that's clearly what he's saying. Might want to clean the wax out, guys.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::No, it's clearly "Art." Try turning the volume up on your speakers or something. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:07 6 Feb 2009}}
::::::::Uncertain on how clear the "T" is, but a) it sounds ''exactly'' like when Homestar attempts an "R" (or "awr"), b) there isn't a clear "N" either, and c) I re-stress the stress. If it was "On", one would think the stress would be on "Stockton", but it isn't; it's on that first word. If one was to say (as though it were a name) "Art Stockton", the stress would more likely be on "Art". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Other possibilities, BTW, include "Arn" (short for "Arnold") or "Ott" (short for "Otto"). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: Ok, although I've clearly heard "on Stockton" every time, I went ahead and sampled that part of the toon and slowed it way down in Audacity. I think it makes it very clear that he's saying "On Stockton." Here's a link to the mp3 so you can hear it yourself and decide: [http://www.efn.org/~jbl/hsr/stockton.mp3] --[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:48, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: He's saying it funny because he's talking like a referee would in such a situation. "This action...on XX...this penalty!" No offense to anyone, but I think you're crazy if you're hearing "Art." There's nothing even vaguely resembling it there, nor does it make any sense in that context in a way that would lead to a punchline.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 22:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::He's clearly saying "'''on''' Stockton," because he's assessing the foul ''on'' Stockton. Perhaps you're hearing "Art" or "Arn" because of the echo. And for that matter, the most well-known player named Stockton to ever play basketball was ''John'' Stockton. [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 09:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Still doesn't sound like "on" to me. Besides, who said he's referring to a basketball player? Homestar's playing "baskeeball". Which, apparently, uses first downs. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:48, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm seeing what looks like consensus here. Suggest removing the extraneous footnote. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 23:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
: What consensus are you seeing? The footnote stays. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:45, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
::Agreed... this isn't consensus... and he doesn't say "on". {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, it seems like <strike>two</strike> three people think it's Art and a lot more think it's on (.. and it is), which is more of a consensus than cases that have been called consensus before. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::And by a lot I mean, like, 7 or so... -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:46, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think you need to learn the not-so-subtle difference between consensus and a vote. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:52, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::The difference is consensus is what's accepted here and vote is not. Talking about prior cases on the wiki would never refer to a vote, unless STUFF is involved. And to address a separate issue, one of the arguments for Art is that the T is supposedly clearly audible, but then it's also claimed that "Arn" is possible. (Even if it were "Art", I think "Arn" is much less likely. It's a much less common nickname, imo). So which is it? Audible T or no T? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I am unable to make out the consonant fully at all. I think it's a "T" and don't at all believe it's an "N"; I merely suggested "Arn" as an attempt at compromise. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::K, well, if nobody seems to think it's Arn, I think the footnote is better with just Art. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 01:18, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Jay, you're hearing the "T" in Stockton and attaching it to the first word. It's '''on'''. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:19, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Right, I'm hearing the "T" in "Stockton" ''before'' the "S". 9_9 --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Think about it from a common sense perspective. They're trying to be funny: what's funny about "Art" or "Arn" or "Ott?" Nothing. There's no punchline; even when the Brothers Chaps are random, there's some sort of punchline to it, like Homsar's nonsensical response to Strong Sad asking him if he was going to say anything in DNA Evidence. Their references are always direct, joke A to popular culture point B. Stockton makes sense as a reference to John Stockton, an NBA player; Art Stockton makes no sense, and isn't funny. I've never, ever heard anyone use "Arn" as short for Arnold, or "Ott" as short for Otto, ever. I think that if you have to stretch the logic way out and create a web of connections to justify a reference, then barring a direct mention from the Brothers Chaps in a commentary or something it shouldn't be considered a legitimate reference.
Good grief, I can't believe I'm still going on about this.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
: What's funny about "On"? I already said I believed it was "Art" and only introduced the others as potential compromises. What reference? And the punchline was most obviously the "first down" part (if not the part where the puppet is appearing ''at all''.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:59, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::As I and the anony above said already, he's talking like a referee in a football game (randomness with a punchline) assessing a technical foul against "Stockton" (Marzipan). It's very simple. Don't make things so complicated in this; like I said, the more you try to find some sort of twisted web of logic to justify an extreme reference, the less sense it will all make. The most obvious reference is probably the right one, again barring something to the contrary from the creators.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::In what way am I making this complicated? I'm simply saying that what I hear is closer to "Art" than "On" and I don't see how making it "On" makes it any funnier as you previously said. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I agree with Big Dog. He's saying "on Stockton." As I said before, I think you're all hearing the echo and it's muffling what's actually being said. For the referee to say "Art Stockton" doesn't make any sense, even when it comes to TBC being random. [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 06:56, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Sure it does. Think of it this way, what if he said "False start, Larry Smith, five yard penalty"? would you say that that made so sense? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, that does make sense, but like I said, Homestar's playing basketball (even if he pronounced it weird), and John Stockton is the most famous "Stockton" to ever play basketball. That being said, to say "Art Stockton" doesn't make any sense at all, even for TBC. I just don't see how anyone could think it's anything other than the referee assessing the foul "'''on''' Stockton." [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 19:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::It makes every bit as much sense as [[Happy Hallow-Day|every]] [[Cool Things|other]] [[cheat talk|time]] TBC randomly mention the name of a character who doesn't exist, so yeah, this fits with TBC's style entirely. Anyway, the argument's pretty moot by now. You've already essentially won. The transcript says "On", which it did not do when this topic was created. The footnote is there to show that there is a disagreement. Removing the footnote would show that the people who originally argued for the footnote's point have recanted — which is obviously not the case. This is this Wiki's standard. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, there's no footnote in Jibblies 2, even though the arguers didn't recant. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.34|132.183.138.34]] 20:01, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::To add to the counterargument, your claim that "it makes no sense because he's playing basketball" actually goes to support our side... the whole sentence is supposed to not make sense. I mean, have you ever seen anyone get a first down in basketball? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Which is the entire point, which is why "Technical foul, on Stockton" is what he said. He's a referee, calling a foul, albeit in a football-ref style with a football penalty. Which is the entire joke. Can we please vote on this and get it over with? I think this rivals "gamble/gambol" for most inane debate ever on this wiki.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Voting has never really been Wiki policy outside of the now-decommissioned STUFF (which this wouldn't fall under anyway). And I reiterate: if nothing changes from how it is now (as opposed to when the debate started), you win this debate. So you asking to vote comes off as nothing more than attempting to hide that there ''is'' a debate. (After all, the "gambol" footnote is still on [[Senorial Day]], is it not?) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:For whatever it matters at this late point in the debate, I hear "on". My theory as to why people hear "art": Homestar uses a rather gravelly voice which makes the "n" sound more articulated than it really is. Maybe? Just a thought. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::As a football referee, "Art" makes just as much sense. The "on" would be implicit, and the foul is on "Art Stockton". If "False start, Larry Smith, five yard penalty" makes sense, then so does this. Or i'll make it even clearer. If "Technical foul, Larry Smith, first down!" makes sense, so does this. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 10:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::The thing is, though, foot ball refs give penalties in the format of "(Foul), '''Number (jersey number)''', Offense/Defense, (penalty)." They do not say "(foul), '''(player name)''', (penalty)." So if you want to talk about what makes sense, neither "on" nor "Art" make sense. Also, it should be noted that no one named Art Stockton ever played basketball in anything above high school. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 02:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== "Visible Seam" in goofs? ==

I don't see the visible seam on my screen, no matter how much I zoom in. It's possible that it's just my monitor, so I'm not going to erase that entry or anything, but I just thought I'd bring that up. Does anyone else see it in the current version of the toon? Maybe it's a fixed goof? --[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:It has been fixed. I didn't see it, so I changed the section to "Fixed Goofs" and reworded it. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 22:35, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::It hasn't been fixed because it was never broken. It is simply untrue. I have removed it. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:43, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== Inside references. ==

Does this toon somehow contribute to the idea of Homestar wearing long pants?

The big shoes he held up go over his foot to where his ankles would be, but his shoe puppets only flapped like sandal soles with inlays for tongues.

== That's a lot of emails ==
I'm not sure if this is more notable here or in [[Hremail 7]], if it's notable at all, but if this the two emails' numbering is taken at face value and Homestar was supposed to have checked 1,993 emails between 2001 and 2009 (assuming this email isn't taking place "in the future", which there's no evidence of) he'd having to be checking on average somewhere between four and five emails a week over the course of eight years. Anyone think this is worth noting anywhere? - [[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 21:41, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
: The thing is, the numbering is intentionally wonking. There is no evidence he checked any emails besides the ones we have seen.
::I think jumping from 64, all the way to 2000 is a bit wonky. I think they should have had a more suttle number, like one in the mid hundreds.

Talk:Hremail 2000

Origonalname — Sat, 23 May 2009 22:12:21 GMT

Origonalname: /* Homestar's Shoes? */

==Dipped in ink==
Could the claim in the Easter egg that Shadow Homestar was "dipped in a vat of ink" be a reference to the ending montage of [[dangeresque 3]], where the silhouette of [[Killingyouguy]] was shown to be made by painting Strong Mad in black? It's what came first to my mind, anyway... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 09:22, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:Mine too.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 14:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:: Oh most definitely. Should there be a page for shadow Homestar, or at least a part of the chacter variation page for hime? He seems like a pretty important duplicate.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 21:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::[[Shadow Homestar Runner]]. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 22:58, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I don't really think the page is neccesary (Hope I spelled that right). It should be under Homestar's variations because that is practically him.---{{User:Record307/sig}} 02:17, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::The guy above me is right. Shadow Homestar is merely a slight variation of Homestar. But, Shadow Homestar could come back, and end up just like Homsar.[[User:Origonalname]]

== Shadow Homestar ==
Isn't this a reference to "Shadow Link" in the Legend of Zelda games? We all know TBC are big fans, so possibilities?
--[[User:Lustmyeyes|lustmyeyes <3]] 10:41, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:I think lots of video game characters have "shadow" or "dark" versions of themselves, it's quite common, from what I can tell. --[[User:That crazy DumDe!|DumDe]] 16:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::I wish, but the easter egg seems to be referencing the [[Street Fighter]] series. {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 16:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Mortal Kombat as well. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Since the whole scene is a parody of Mortal Kombat, I kinda think the Noob Saibot line holds some water. Another "ambiguous reference" about the ubiquitousness of "shadow" characters may also be appropriate. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 01:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::For what it's worth, the original "Prince of Persia" was almost certainly the first game to have such a "shadow" opponent... predates Mortal Kombat by 3 years. --[[User:dmz|dmz]] 08:30, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::I think we're best off with the ambiguous reference, like we already have on the page, though i wouldn't mind a nod to noob in the same line, since it IS mortal kombat after all. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Frankly, I'm against any reference at all to Noob Saibot - he wasn't all-black, just gray, and he didn't copy the moves of any character in particular. In his initial appearance, there were MULTIPLE characters that looked like him aside from the color scheme. If it's got anything at all to do with Mortal Kombat, it's almost certainly the mirror matches that were in the original game. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:04, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:It's Jung! Carl Jung! The shadow self represents our insecurities, the elements of our psyche we repress! To do battle with the shadow self is to cease projecting these qualities onto others and acknowledge them in our self! -SFC
:: What the crap? What are you talking/spamming about? Okay, Mr. Preacher, could you keep your ramblings to yourself or would you care to explain what you mean? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::: Jungian psychology describes the archetype (the common form present in everyone's understanding of the world) of the shadow self. The shadow self is, as I said, the part of ourself we don't consciously recognise - not necessarily the 'bad' parts, but the parts we don't think of as really 'us'. Part of psychological development, in this model, is acknowledging these elements - engaging with the shadow self, 'doing battle with it', and merging with it to form a more complete, healthy being. So, basically, Jung attributes to this root cause all the mythical examples of shadow selves - and his work predates video games, naturally. -SFC
::::You guys are getting a bit out of hand here. Jung? All I think is that it is similar to shadow link, and nowhere near as important as you guys are saying it is. This is like the Homsar laugh thing from the Career Day discussion all over again![[User:Origonalname]]]

== Multiples again? ==
It should probably be noted that this is another instance of [[duplicate characters]], both with the 3rd Homestar leg (which is obviously not part of homestar when he's shown on the basketball court) and possibly also because of the Shadow Homestar. [[Special:Contributions/72.70.158.239|72.70.158.239]] 13:56, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:'''Agree'''. Yeah we should probably note the third leg.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 14:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Done.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 19:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Except the three leg thing has really nothing to do with "shadow Homestar"... --[[Special:Contributions/71.58.29.180|71.58.29.180]] 23:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::::No one said it did... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:52, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

==Homestar's Arms==
I'm no master at editing wikis, so I think I'll just mention it here. There should probably be something about how Homestar holds a big sock, then a big shoe, then a bigger sock, and then a bigger shoe, more than someone could hold with two hands (as he lifts them up seperately, and they don't move afterwards).
:There is a place to do that. I'll try to find it for consistancy. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 17:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Try going [[invisible arms|here]]. I also added a remark on the article. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 17:51, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, does anyone else think the Chaps are doing this on purpose now? I notice the whole "doing-things-that-would-require-more-than-two-arms" controversy has seemed to heighten somewhat on this wiki lately, so are they just adding fuel to the fire? Do they ''enjoy'' making those who try to find at least some level of vague sense-make in the cartoon squirm uncomfortably in their seats? (Not that I'm one of those people, I'm just sayin'. It's a weird co-weenky-dink.) [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I believe one of their commentaries mentioned the wiki, so they definitely know what goes on here. Probably amused their dumb little animal cartoon is causing so much silly bantering. My take is it's, 'relax, it's just a cartoon." And giant hands. Just because they're invisible doesn't mean they have to be normal sized!
:::::He holds them up individually, so unless he has REALLY big fingers..... -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:26, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

What if he has one arm, holds an item, uses the other arm to put an item in his first arm, takes the second arm, puts the item in the first arm (this part would be hard, but not entirely impossible) and then holds the last item in the second arm (optionally, he could take the third item and transfer it back to the second)
:Yeah, it is actually possible to manipulate your fingers in a way where you can hold all four items at once, especially considering how light even giant socks are.
::I Don't think the Chaps meant to confuse you by having Homestar hold 4 things at once. I think it is more of a goof that they didn't have Homestar put down the extra items. This is one of those things that just don't make all that much sense. Just relax, it's not like it's the end of the world.[[User:Origonalname]]

== Dream ==
When marzipan says that "the whole last season was just a dream", could this be a reference to the infamous ending of the Sopranos Tv series?
:This is the fourth suggestion so far as to what show it's referring to. I think that pretty much makes it something that can't be pinned to any one thing. The other three are Roseanne, Dallas, and Newhart, as seen when i removed them [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Hremail_2000&diff=627207&oldid=627205&rcid=586009 here]. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:44, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Dallas did it first and is most famous for it. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 21:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::The show Newhart is arguably the most famous as making the ''entire show'' was a dream in his earlier show. But I don't want to get into an argument about which is "more famous", because if one is mentioned, they all need to be. The best way is to make an ambiguous reference. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:33, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
There's a big controversy on how to include a remark about how "the entire last season was a dream." Why not just add a non-specific reference like; "Several prime-time shows have revealed in the season's last episode that the entire season had merely been a dream."? I'm not good at writing these things though, but i'm sure someone could make it sound very good and succinct. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:01, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:Why hasn't anyone else thought of this? Nice idea. -Nonuser mster24
::I'll take a shot at it. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, it's up. Wasn't sure whether to put it in Explanations or Real-World References, but if I've erred someone can move it. I tried to word it as succinctly as I could, but of course if someone can reword it better, go for it. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:13, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Great summary, that's better than I could have put it. However, I believe that it belongs under Real-World references as it really isn't explaining anything rather than mention something said is referring to a real-life show(s). -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:29, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Actually, general references to culture rather than references to something specific go in explanations. it's in the right place. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::I almost changed it, but realized the same thing trying to rephrase it. I like it where it is. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::There has only been one show where they had an entire season which was a dream. That was Dallas. This is a direct, complete reference to Dallas. -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]]
:::-as opposed to NEWHART which was only 8 seasons dreamed up. If I do my math right, NEWHART is 800% more direct than Dallas. My point is, there's more than one show which did that and we have the reference already in the article. We appreciate your input, but this has been discussed. Please see above. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 22:32, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Well, not necessarily. One could argue that, by the "math" of the transitive <strike>butt</strike> gimmick property, Dallas: 1 season = 100% direct reference by what Marzi said, whereas Newhart: 1 series/8 seasons = 0% direct reference by what Marzi said. And as much as love Bob Newhart, I really think Dallas is the most likely reference (this coming from someone who hasn't even seen Dallas, but is just familiar with certain famous attributes, this being one of them). Having said that, though, I don't think there's a strong enough case to put that specific one in the article, so I don't think there's any other way to do it, no matter how much I hate general, ambiguous references (I usually don't find 'em very useful). (Though I do maintain that Dallas did it first, in the 85-86 season (Newhart ended in 1990), and that they've referenced Dallas at least once in the past, with the [[Caleb Rentpayer]] thing.) -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 22:47, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::The Trope link, on the other hand, makes a general reference much more useful. Anonny satisfied! -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 23:27, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::First of all, it would be 800% AS direct, not 800% more direct. Secondly Newhart presumes the entire series was a dream (and entirely for comedic effect, not even pretending to be realistic). If marzipan had said the entire series was a dream, then it would make sense. Dallas is the only series to have had a "Dream Season" which is what Marzipan says -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]]
:::::The only point I was proving is that Dallas is not the only show that has done it (while Dallas may have been first). All I is saying is that it shouldn't be a specific reference. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Since when is TV Tropes Wiki a reliable source for anything? -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 19:36, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Since TBC started making reference to TV tropes... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:38, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Show me where they did this. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 00:46, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, there's two of them in this very toon, and tons of others all over the place. they spoof pop culture a lot. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:50, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Oh. I thought you meant they referenced the TV Tropes website itself, in which case a link would be appropriate. As it is I don't see why the links shouldn't be replaced with Wikipedia articles that explain the concepts. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]]
::::::::::::Because tropes does a better job at documenting and describing them, and is more specific. that's why. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:06, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::True as that may be, that's not my point. Maybe I wasn't being clear enough. My point in my original edit was that I don't see how TV Tropes is a reliable source. I mean, Wikipedia's not perfect, but I'd take it over a site that openly says it has few standards and is mostly for fun any day. I mean, yeah, it's kinda entertaining sometimes, and I get the feeling some people are actually trying provide objective information about common plot devices and media conventions, after visiting that site for nearly two years I get the impression that a large chunk of the contributors are more concerned with informing everyone that Doctor Who/Avatar The Last Airbender/Discworld/some furry webcomic is awesome and every other piece of fiction ever written is crap. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 02:16, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:Other shows have done it, but Dallas is arguably the most well-known, especially given the Brothers Chaps' ages. Not to mention, that website doesn't even mention it, just a bunch of anime references...I don't know if it's really what fits in here.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 13:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::To elaborate, the Newhart ending was itself a parody of the tendency of 80s TV shows to turn to the "it was all a dream" copout to throw away story elements they didn't like, resurrect characters, move the show to Jupiter, etc. That ending is also widely regarded as one of the best moments in TV history. In contrast, there was a lot of aggravation that Dallas decided to just throw away an entire season's worth of story as just being a dream, which Marzipan's annoyance definitely alludes to. Frankly, I think the mathematically questionable attempts to say that it refers to this or that ought to give way to what folks older than 20 or so will recognize as a clear Dallas reference.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 13:20, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Just how does TV Tropes do "a better job at documenting and describing [concepts]" than this very wiki? To me, that website is the very definition of ""[[unnatural|an organized forum for people to shout out their ideas all at the same time]]": it's a complete mess of potentially interesting information, which overwhelms the reader due to a complete lack of standards and formatting. You claim that we should make ANY specific references to any examples of "dream seasons" (what's wrong with mentioning just two or three extremely well-known examples?), yet then link to some website that attempts to list every single use of dreams in all the films, TV programmes, anime, manga and video games that it can think of? Do we really need to pass the buck this badly? Instead, we should all take a look at a similar problem that happened a while ago with [[bottom 10]]; the problem involved "songs that try to pass off la la's, na na's, and doot do's as legit lyrics". There are a million songs this statement could be referencing, so it was decided that we would only make three well-known references and leave it at that. A similar solution should be taken with this article; we add a sentence to the fact along the lines of "Notable example of 'dream seasons' include Dallas, Newhart and Roseanne," and an invisble comment asking people not to make any more references. It might be OK to keep the link to TV Tropes if enough people want to, but at least don't leave our explaination of the concept as it is. It just looks terribly generic and wishy-washy unless the link is followed. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:I'd forgotten about ''Roseanne''. ''Dallas'' is the only example I find where the writers wrote themselves into a corner and out of desperation wiped out the whole season. I would not support listing ''Newhart'', as that final episode wiped out the entire ''series'' and was played for laughs. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
It just occurred to me that I forgot to add an alternative to the Tropes link, so it looks like I'm complaining instead of trying to improve the article. Sorry about that. For the record, I think that a general explanation of the concept with one or two references to the most popular examples, like what somebody suggested above, would suffice. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]]

Can we just add at the end of the reference a couple of examples? Just make it "Marzipan's remark that the entire last season was just a dream refers to a gimmick employed by several television series in which such a revelation is made, usually in the last episode of that season, in series such as ''Dallas'' or ''Roseanne''." I think it would make the reference better, while still leaving it open ended. --[[User:Zonis|Zonis]] 03:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

::Hey! Every one! May I have your attention please! Might I ask why 65% of this is about something that has absolutely nothing to do with what this was origonaly being talked about? Lets just all do what the Chort up there suggested.I hate stuff that just rambles on and on about pointless jank for ever and ever. let that be my final word! [[User:Origonalname]]

== Homestar's Shoes? ==

Think it should be noted somewheres that Homestar's feet/shoes act like (and are referred to as) shoes in this toon? As far as I know, there's been a dispute over whether Homestar wears shoes or not, and this, especially the puppet show, could possibly confirm that he does.-Nonuser mster24
:Or that he doesn't. Note the fact that in that one closeup, his supposed "shoes" have those gnarly wart-looking things and his leg region is shown to have hair, despite the fact that there's no clear boundary between his "shoes/feet" and his legs. Just another wrench in the works-of-clearing-up-ambiguity is my guess. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Either way, we include references to his shoes on [[Homestar Runner's Pants]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:12, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::in the toon about Homestar's pants, it says that he has blue soles glued onto his feet. but yet, here it suggests that he has actual shoes. this is another one of the major goofs of Homestarrunner.com. [[User:Origonalname]]

== Foot Pelts ==
Is this easter egg another instance of [[Strong Sad]]'s implied [[death]]? [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 00:03, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Implied amputation isn't implied death. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::It could go here though -> [[Severed Body Parts]] -02:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Why not? In [[modeling]], Strong Sad informs Strong Bad that poachers have been after his feet.
:: No, no, no, no, no! You people misintuprited this. Strong Bad is walking around in "someone else's slighty larger foot pelts", and he likes the feeling of it. In [[diorama]], it was revealed that Strong Sad wore Dr. Soolnd's Medicated Shoes, so those might not even be his feet, but his "slighty larger foot pelts" that Homestar mentioned. He is wearing Strong Sa's SHOES! At least, that's my inturpritation of the joke. Oh well, maybe not... --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
== Cow Clips ==

The "Cow Clips" Homestar uses on his shoes are Binder Clips, also known as Bulldog Clips.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binder_clip --[[User:Zonis|Zonis]] 19:49, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:The transcript already calls them binder clips. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::It's easy to see how someone could go from "bulldog clips" to "cow clips", but to me, it just seemed like some random association Homestar was making. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:14 6 Feb 2009}}

== Swiss-ness ==

"swiss miss" is a brand of hot cocoa and other food-esque items. to be included in real-world references? --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman (Neumannz)]] 20:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:And [[Wikipedia:Swiss Miss (disambiguation)|many other things]] as well. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:44, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

== Missle vs. Missal ==

When Homestar says "today's missle," I think he is actually saying "Today's Missal," a publication found at nearly every Catholic church. See: http://www.ocp.org/products/tm Also see the Wikipedia article on Missal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missal
Should this be included in explanations or maybe real-world references?
:It's a [[malapropism]] for "missive". "Missile" has the benefit of being one letter off. "Missal" does not. The pronunciation is the same. I say "missile" is fine. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:I think "missal". Mostly because both are written materials, a much more closely related semantic field than "missile" would be. (Although, one could make the argument that Homestar misread a teleprompter or queue card).
::In [[senorial day]] when there was a homonym debate, we put a footnote. -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.17|128.103.10.17]] 03:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::That was a stretch, this is a bigger one. There's no reason to throw in an uncommon term like missal when the common term will suffice. Barring some sort of direct mention to the contrary by the Brothers Chaps, I don't see how a footnote would be necessary.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:57, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::As I stated above, at least missive and missal share the common semantic domain of written documents, whereas missile does not. And considering that TBC do have some Catholic roots to them, it's very likely that they could have meant missal. I do not think you can simply dismiss one over the other without some solid rationale for doing so. At the very least, "missal" could be added parenthetically. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:02 6 Feb 2009}}
::::*Also, this is further complicated by the possibility that this is a portmanteau of "missive" and "epistle". {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:09 6 Feb 2009}}
::::To be extremely nitpicky, they're homo''phones''. If they were homonyms, we wouldn't be having this discussion. ;) I stick with "missile", but a large part of that is the fact that I had never heard of the word "missal" before this conversation. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:28, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Long Pants ==

Remember when Strong Bad asserted that Homestar "simply has blue soles glued to the bottom of his feet"? Should that be mentioned?
:Since they don't mention it in this toon, I don't see why it should be mentioned in the wiki. Also, this toon clearly indicates that Homestar is wearing shoes, since he mentions them by their brand name, and he shows a couple of larger versions of the same shoes.--[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Power forward ==

Why isn't [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_forward_(basketball) power forward] explained? [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 23:01, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:Who knows? Feel free to add it if you'd like. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 23:07, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::I added the explanation, and I also explained what it means to "post up" and I clarified "in the paint" a bit, but I'm sure what I wrote could be worded better. By the way, this is my first time editing. [[User:Willstar|Willstar]] 05:15, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

== Art Stockton ==

I hear "Technical foul ''on'' Stockton", not "Art Stockton". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:I would agree that that makes SLIGHTLY more sense, however, the "T" is clearly audible. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:26, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::it makes entirely more sense. In that "On Stockton" makes sense, and "Art Stockton" doesn't. Also, that "clearly audilbe T" isn't. I hear "on" every time.[[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 21:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Is it "Art"? I think so, but I'm not 100% sure. What I ''am'' 100% sure of is that it is ''not'' "On". And even if it was, who puts the stress on a preposition? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Oh, and one more thing. "Art" makes ''exactly'' as much sense as "Stockton" in this context — it's short for "Arthur". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Definitely "Art Stockton" rather than "on".
::::After cramming my left ear up to my computer speaker and listening to it like 7 times, I deduced that it's "on Stockton." {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 03:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::I hear on, myself. -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.17|128.103.10.17]] 03:50, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Sounds like on to me, he's just talking like a referee.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Just listened to it again. I don't know how on earth someone could interpret that as "Art." It's clearly "on." There's not even Homestar's usually twisted version of R present, let alone a T sound. Short O is something Homestar is not known for having trouble with, and that's clearly what he's saying. Might want to clean the wax out, guys.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::No, it's clearly "Art." Try turning the volume up on your speakers or something. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:07 6 Feb 2009}}
::::::::Uncertain on how clear the "T" is, but a) it sounds ''exactly'' like when Homestar attempts an "R" (or "awr"), b) there isn't a clear "N" either, and c) I re-stress the stress. If it was "On", one would think the stress would be on "Stockton", but it isn't; it's on that first word. If one was to say (as though it were a name) "Art Stockton", the stress would more likely be on "Art". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Other possibilities, BTW, include "Arn" (short for "Arnold") or "Ott" (short for "Otto"). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: Ok, although I've clearly heard "on Stockton" every time, I went ahead and sampled that part of the toon and slowed it way down in Audacity. I think it makes it very clear that he's saying "On Stockton." Here's a link to the mp3 so you can hear it yourself and decide: [http://www.efn.org/~jbl/hsr/stockton.mp3] --[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:48, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: He's saying it funny because he's talking like a referee would in such a situation. "This action...on XX...this penalty!" No offense to anyone, but I think you're crazy if you're hearing "Art." There's nothing even vaguely resembling it there, nor does it make any sense in that context in a way that would lead to a punchline.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 22:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::He's clearly saying "'''on''' Stockton," because he's assessing the foul ''on'' Stockton. Perhaps you're hearing "Art" or "Arn" because of the echo. And for that matter, the most well-known player named Stockton to ever play basketball was ''John'' Stockton. [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 09:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Still doesn't sound like "on" to me. Besides, who said he's referring to a basketball player? Homestar's playing "baskeeball". Which, apparently, uses first downs. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:48, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm seeing what looks like consensus here. Suggest removing the extraneous footnote. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 23:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
: What consensus are you seeing? The footnote stays. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:45, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
::Agreed... this isn't consensus... and he doesn't say "on". {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, it seems like <strike>two</strike> three people think it's Art and a lot more think it's on (.. and it is), which is more of a consensus than cases that have been called consensus before. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::And by a lot I mean, like, 7 or so... -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:46, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think you need to learn the not-so-subtle difference between consensus and a vote. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:52, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::The difference is consensus is what's accepted here and vote is not. Talking about prior cases on the wiki would never refer to a vote, unless STUFF is involved. And to address a separate issue, one of the arguments for Art is that the T is supposedly clearly audible, but then it's also claimed that "Arn" is possible. (Even if it were "Art", I think "Arn" is much less likely. It's a much less common nickname, imo). So which is it? Audible T or no T? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I am unable to make out the consonant fully at all. I think it's a "T" and don't at all believe it's an "N"; I merely suggested "Arn" as an attempt at compromise. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::K, well, if nobody seems to think it's Arn, I think the footnote is better with just Art. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 01:18, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Jay, you're hearing the "T" in Stockton and attaching it to the first word. It's '''on'''. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:19, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Right, I'm hearing the "T" in "Stockton" ''before'' the "S". 9_9 --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Think about it from a common sense perspective. They're trying to be funny: what's funny about "Art" or "Arn" or "Ott?" Nothing. There's no punchline; even when the Brothers Chaps are random, there's some sort of punchline to it, like Homsar's nonsensical response to Strong Sad asking him if he was going to say anything in DNA Evidence. Their references are always direct, joke A to popular culture point B. Stockton makes sense as a reference to John Stockton, an NBA player; Art Stockton makes no sense, and isn't funny. I've never, ever heard anyone use "Arn" as short for Arnold, or "Ott" as short for Otto, ever. I think that if you have to stretch the logic way out and create a web of connections to justify a reference, then barring a direct mention from the Brothers Chaps in a commentary or something it shouldn't be considered a legitimate reference.
Good grief, I can't believe I'm still going on about this.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
: What's funny about "On"? I already said I believed it was "Art" and only introduced the others as potential compromises. What reference? And the punchline was most obviously the "first down" part (if not the part where the puppet is appearing ''at all''.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:59, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::As I and the anony above said already, he's talking like a referee in a football game (randomness with a punchline) assessing a technical foul against "Stockton" (Marzipan). It's very simple. Don't make things so complicated in this; like I said, the more you try to find some sort of twisted web of logic to justify an extreme reference, the less sense it will all make. The most obvious reference is probably the right one, again barring something to the contrary from the creators.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::In what way am I making this complicated? I'm simply saying that what I hear is closer to "Art" than "On" and I don't see how making it "On" makes it any funnier as you previously said. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I agree with Big Dog. He's saying "on Stockton." As I said before, I think you're all hearing the echo and it's muffling what's actually being said. For the referee to say "Art Stockton" doesn't make any sense, even when it comes to TBC being random. [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 06:56, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Sure it does. Think of it this way, what if he said "False start, Larry Smith, five yard penalty"? would you say that that made so sense? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, that does make sense, but like I said, Homestar's playing basketball (even if he pronounced it weird), and John Stockton is the most famous "Stockton" to ever play basketball. That being said, to say "Art Stockton" doesn't make any sense at all, even for TBC. I just don't see how anyone could think it's anything other than the referee assessing the foul "'''on''' Stockton." [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 19:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::It makes every bit as much sense as [[Happy Hallow-Day|every]] [[Cool Things|other]] [[cheat talk|time]] TBC randomly mention the name of a character who doesn't exist, so yeah, this fits with TBC's style entirely. Anyway, the argument's pretty moot by now. You've already essentially won. The transcript says "On", which it did not do when this topic was created. The footnote is there to show that there is a disagreement. Removing the footnote would show that the people who originally argued for the footnote's point have recanted — which is obviously not the case. This is this Wiki's standard. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, there's no footnote in Jibblies 2, even though the arguers didn't recant. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.34|132.183.138.34]] 20:01, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::To add to the counterargument, your claim that "it makes no sense because he's playing basketball" actually goes to support our side... the whole sentence is supposed to not make sense. I mean, have you ever seen anyone get a first down in basketball? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Which is the entire point, which is why "Technical foul, on Stockton" is what he said. He's a referee, calling a foul, albeit in a football-ref style with a football penalty. Which is the entire joke. Can we please vote on this and get it over with? I think this rivals "gamble/gambol" for most inane debate ever on this wiki.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Voting has never really been Wiki policy outside of the now-decommissioned STUFF (which this wouldn't fall under anyway). And I reiterate: if nothing changes from how it is now (as opposed to when the debate started), you win this debate. So you asking to vote comes off as nothing more than attempting to hide that there ''is'' a debate. (After all, the "gambol" footnote is still on [[Senorial Day]], is it not?) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:For whatever it matters at this late point in the debate, I hear "on". My theory as to why people hear "art": Homestar uses a rather gravelly voice which makes the "n" sound more articulated than it really is. Maybe? Just a thought. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::As a football referee, "Art" makes just as much sense. The "on" would be implicit, and the foul is on "Art Stockton". If "False start, Larry Smith, five yard penalty" makes sense, then so does this. Or i'll make it even clearer. If "Technical foul, Larry Smith, first down!" makes sense, so does this. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 10:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::The thing is, though, foot ball refs give penalties in the format of "(Foul), '''Number (jersey number)''', Offense/Defense, (penalty)." They do not say "(foul), '''(player name)''', (penalty)." So if you want to talk about what makes sense, neither "on" nor "Art" make sense. Also, it should be noted that no one named Art Stockton ever played basketball in anything above high school. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 02:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== "Visible Seam" in goofs? ==

I don't see the visible seam on my screen, no matter how much I zoom in. It's possible that it's just my monitor, so I'm not going to erase that entry or anything, but I just thought I'd bring that up. Does anyone else see it in the current version of the toon? Maybe it's a fixed goof? --[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:It has been fixed. I didn't see it, so I changed the section to "Fixed Goofs" and reworded it. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 22:35, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::It hasn't been fixed because it was never broken. It is simply untrue. I have removed it. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:43, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== Inside references. ==

Does this toon somehow contribute to the idea of Homestar wearing long pants?

The big shoes he held up go over his foot to where his ankles would be, but his shoe puppets only flapped like sandal soles with inlays for tongues.

== That's a lot of emails ==
I'm not sure if this is more notable here or in [[Hremail 7]], if it's notable at all, but if this the two emails' numbering is taken at face value and Homestar was supposed to have checked 1,993 emails between 2001 and 2009 (assuming this email isn't taking place "in the future", which there's no evidence of) he'd having to be checking on average somewhere between four and five emails a week over the course of eight years. Anyone think this is worth noting anywhere? - [[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 21:41, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
: The thing is, the numbering is intentionally wonking. There is no evidence he checked any emails besides the ones we have seen.

Talk:Hremail 2000

Origonalname — Sat, 23 May 2009 22:08:43 GMT

Origonalname: /* Dream */

==Dipped in ink==
Could the claim in the Easter egg that Shadow Homestar was "dipped in a vat of ink" be a reference to the ending montage of [[dangeresque 3]], where the silhouette of [[Killingyouguy]] was shown to be made by painting Strong Mad in black? It's what came first to my mind, anyway... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 09:22, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:Mine too.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 14:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:: Oh most definitely. Should there be a page for shadow Homestar, or at least a part of the chacter variation page for hime? He seems like a pretty important duplicate.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 21:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::[[Shadow Homestar Runner]]. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 22:58, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I don't really think the page is neccesary (Hope I spelled that right). It should be under Homestar's variations because that is practically him.---{{User:Record307/sig}} 02:17, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::The guy above me is right. Shadow Homestar is merely a slight variation of Homestar. But, Shadow Homestar could come back, and end up just like Homsar.[[User:Origonalname]]

== Shadow Homestar ==
Isn't this a reference to "Shadow Link" in the Legend of Zelda games? We all know TBC are big fans, so possibilities?
--[[User:Lustmyeyes|lustmyeyes <3]] 10:41, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:I think lots of video game characters have "shadow" or "dark" versions of themselves, it's quite common, from what I can tell. --[[User:That crazy DumDe!|DumDe]] 16:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::I wish, but the easter egg seems to be referencing the [[Street Fighter]] series. {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 16:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Mortal Kombat as well. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Since the whole scene is a parody of Mortal Kombat, I kinda think the Noob Saibot line holds some water. Another "ambiguous reference" about the ubiquitousness of "shadow" characters may also be appropriate. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 01:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::For what it's worth, the original "Prince of Persia" was almost certainly the first game to have such a "shadow" opponent... predates Mortal Kombat by 3 years. --[[User:dmz|dmz]] 08:30, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::I think we're best off with the ambiguous reference, like we already have on the page, though i wouldn't mind a nod to noob in the same line, since it IS mortal kombat after all. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Frankly, I'm against any reference at all to Noob Saibot - he wasn't all-black, just gray, and he didn't copy the moves of any character in particular. In his initial appearance, there were MULTIPLE characters that looked like him aside from the color scheme. If it's got anything at all to do with Mortal Kombat, it's almost certainly the mirror matches that were in the original game. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:04, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:It's Jung! Carl Jung! The shadow self represents our insecurities, the elements of our psyche we repress! To do battle with the shadow self is to cease projecting these qualities onto others and acknowledge them in our self! -SFC
:: What the crap? What are you talking/spamming about? Okay, Mr. Preacher, could you keep your ramblings to yourself or would you care to explain what you mean? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::: Jungian psychology describes the archetype (the common form present in everyone's understanding of the world) of the shadow self. The shadow self is, as I said, the part of ourself we don't consciously recognise - not necessarily the 'bad' parts, but the parts we don't think of as really 'us'. Part of psychological development, in this model, is acknowledging these elements - engaging with the shadow self, 'doing battle with it', and merging with it to form a more complete, healthy being. So, basically, Jung attributes to this root cause all the mythical examples of shadow selves - and his work predates video games, naturally. -SFC
::::You guys are getting a bit out of hand here. Jung? All I think is that it is similar to shadow link, and nowhere near as important as you guys are saying it is. This is like the Homsar laugh thing from the Career Day discussion all over again![[User:Origonalname]]]

== Multiples again? ==
It should probably be noted that this is another instance of [[duplicate characters]], both with the 3rd Homestar leg (which is obviously not part of homestar when he's shown on the basketball court) and possibly also because of the Shadow Homestar. [[Special:Contributions/72.70.158.239|72.70.158.239]] 13:56, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:'''Agree'''. Yeah we should probably note the third leg.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 14:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Done.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 19:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Except the three leg thing has really nothing to do with "shadow Homestar"... --[[Special:Contributions/71.58.29.180|71.58.29.180]] 23:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::::No one said it did... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:52, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

==Homestar's Arms==
I'm no master at editing wikis, so I think I'll just mention it here. There should probably be something about how Homestar holds a big sock, then a big shoe, then a bigger sock, and then a bigger shoe, more than someone could hold with two hands (as he lifts them up seperately, and they don't move afterwards).
:There is a place to do that. I'll try to find it for consistancy. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 17:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Try going [[invisible arms|here]]. I also added a remark on the article. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 17:51, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, does anyone else think the Chaps are doing this on purpose now? I notice the whole "doing-things-that-would-require-more-than-two-arms" controversy has seemed to heighten somewhat on this wiki lately, so are they just adding fuel to the fire? Do they ''enjoy'' making those who try to find at least some level of vague sense-make in the cartoon squirm uncomfortably in their seats? (Not that I'm one of those people, I'm just sayin'. It's a weird co-weenky-dink.) [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I believe one of their commentaries mentioned the wiki, so they definitely know what goes on here. Probably amused their dumb little animal cartoon is causing so much silly bantering. My take is it's, 'relax, it's just a cartoon." And giant hands. Just because they're invisible doesn't mean they have to be normal sized!
:::::He holds them up individually, so unless he has REALLY big fingers..... -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:26, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

What if he has one arm, holds an item, uses the other arm to put an item in his first arm, takes the second arm, puts the item in the first arm (this part would be hard, but not entirely impossible) and then holds the last item in the second arm (optionally, he could take the third item and transfer it back to the second)
:Yeah, it is actually possible to manipulate your fingers in a way where you can hold all four items at once, especially considering how light even giant socks are.
::I Don't think the Chaps meant to confuse you by having Homestar hold 4 things at once. I think it is more of a goof that they didn't have Homestar put down the extra items. This is one of those things that just don't make all that much sense. Just relax, it's not like it's the end of the world.[[User:Origonalname]]

== Dream ==
When marzipan says that "the whole last season was just a dream", could this be a reference to the infamous ending of the Sopranos Tv series?
:This is the fourth suggestion so far as to what show it's referring to. I think that pretty much makes it something that can't be pinned to any one thing. The other three are Roseanne, Dallas, and Newhart, as seen when i removed them [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Hremail_2000&diff=627207&oldid=627205&rcid=586009 here]. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:44, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Dallas did it first and is most famous for it. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 21:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::The show Newhart is arguably the most famous as making the ''entire show'' was a dream in his earlier show. But I don't want to get into an argument about which is "more famous", because if one is mentioned, they all need to be. The best way is to make an ambiguous reference. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:33, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
There's a big controversy on how to include a remark about how "the entire last season was a dream." Why not just add a non-specific reference like; "Several prime-time shows have revealed in the season's last episode that the entire season had merely been a dream."? I'm not good at writing these things though, but i'm sure someone could make it sound very good and succinct. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:01, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:Why hasn't anyone else thought of this? Nice idea. -Nonuser mster24
::I'll take a shot at it. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, it's up. Wasn't sure whether to put it in Explanations or Real-World References, but if I've erred someone can move it. I tried to word it as succinctly as I could, but of course if someone can reword it better, go for it. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:13, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Great summary, that's better than I could have put it. However, I believe that it belongs under Real-World references as it really isn't explaining anything rather than mention something said is referring to a real-life show(s). -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:29, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Actually, general references to culture rather than references to something specific go in explanations. it's in the right place. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::I almost changed it, but realized the same thing trying to rephrase it. I like it where it is. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::There has only been one show where they had an entire season which was a dream. That was Dallas. This is a direct, complete reference to Dallas. -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]]
:::-as opposed to NEWHART which was only 8 seasons dreamed up. If I do my math right, NEWHART is 800% more direct than Dallas. My point is, there's more than one show which did that and we have the reference already in the article. We appreciate your input, but this has been discussed. Please see above. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 22:32, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Well, not necessarily. One could argue that, by the "math" of the transitive <strike>butt</strike> gimmick property, Dallas: 1 season = 100% direct reference by what Marzi said, whereas Newhart: 1 series/8 seasons = 0% direct reference by what Marzi said. And as much as love Bob Newhart, I really think Dallas is the most likely reference (this coming from someone who hasn't even seen Dallas, but is just familiar with certain famous attributes, this being one of them). Having said that, though, I don't think there's a strong enough case to put that specific one in the article, so I don't think there's any other way to do it, no matter how much I hate general, ambiguous references (I usually don't find 'em very useful). (Though I do maintain that Dallas did it first, in the 85-86 season (Newhart ended in 1990), and that they've referenced Dallas at least once in the past, with the [[Caleb Rentpayer]] thing.) -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 22:47, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::The Trope link, on the other hand, makes a general reference much more useful. Anonny satisfied! -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 23:27, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::First of all, it would be 800% AS direct, not 800% more direct. Secondly Newhart presumes the entire series was a dream (and entirely for comedic effect, not even pretending to be realistic). If marzipan had said the entire series was a dream, then it would make sense. Dallas is the only series to have had a "Dream Season" which is what Marzipan says -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]]
:::::The only point I was proving is that Dallas is not the only show that has done it (while Dallas may have been first). All I is saying is that it shouldn't be a specific reference. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Since when is TV Tropes Wiki a reliable source for anything? -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 19:36, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Since TBC started making reference to TV tropes... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:38, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Show me where they did this. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 00:46, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, there's two of them in this very toon, and tons of others all over the place. they spoof pop culture a lot. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:50, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Oh. I thought you meant they referenced the TV Tropes website itself, in which case a link would be appropriate. As it is I don't see why the links shouldn't be replaced with Wikipedia articles that explain the concepts. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]]
::::::::::::Because tropes does a better job at documenting and describing them, and is more specific. that's why. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:06, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::True as that may be, that's not my point. Maybe I wasn't being clear enough. My point in my original edit was that I don't see how TV Tropes is a reliable source. I mean, Wikipedia's not perfect, but I'd take it over a site that openly says it has few standards and is mostly for fun any day. I mean, yeah, it's kinda entertaining sometimes, and I get the feeling some people are actually trying provide objective information about common plot devices and media conventions, after visiting that site for nearly two years I get the impression that a large chunk of the contributors are more concerned with informing everyone that Doctor Who/Avatar The Last Airbender/Discworld/some furry webcomic is awesome and every other piece of fiction ever written is crap. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 02:16, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:Other shows have done it, but Dallas is arguably the most well-known, especially given the Brothers Chaps' ages. Not to mention, that website doesn't even mention it, just a bunch of anime references...I don't know if it's really what fits in here.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 13:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::To elaborate, the Newhart ending was itself a parody of the tendency of 80s TV shows to turn to the "it was all a dream" copout to throw away story elements they didn't like, resurrect characters, move the show to Jupiter, etc. That ending is also widely regarded as one of the best moments in TV history. In contrast, there was a lot of aggravation that Dallas decided to just throw away an entire season's worth of story as just being a dream, which Marzipan's annoyance definitely alludes to. Frankly, I think the mathematically questionable attempts to say that it refers to this or that ought to give way to what folks older than 20 or so will recognize as a clear Dallas reference.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 13:20, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Just how does TV Tropes do "a better job at documenting and describing [concepts]" than this very wiki? To me, that website is the very definition of ""[[unnatural|an organized forum for people to shout out their ideas all at the same time]]": it's a complete mess of potentially interesting information, which overwhelms the reader due to a complete lack of standards and formatting. You claim that we should make ANY specific references to any examples of "dream seasons" (what's wrong with mentioning just two or three extremely well-known examples?), yet then link to some website that attempts to list every single use of dreams in all the films, TV programmes, anime, manga and video games that it can think of? Do we really need to pass the buck this badly? Instead, we should all take a look at a similar problem that happened a while ago with [[bottom 10]]; the problem involved "songs that try to pass off la la's, na na's, and doot do's as legit lyrics". There are a million songs this statement could be referencing, so it was decided that we would only make three well-known references and leave it at that. A similar solution should be taken with this article; we add a sentence to the fact along the lines of "Notable example of 'dream seasons' include Dallas, Newhart and Roseanne," and an invisble comment asking people not to make any more references. It might be OK to keep the link to TV Tropes if enough people want to, but at least don't leave our explaination of the concept as it is. It just looks terribly generic and wishy-washy unless the link is followed. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:I'd forgotten about ''Roseanne''. ''Dallas'' is the only example I find where the writers wrote themselves into a corner and out of desperation wiped out the whole season. I would not support listing ''Newhart'', as that final episode wiped out the entire ''series'' and was played for laughs. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
It just occurred to me that I forgot to add an alternative to the Tropes link, so it looks like I'm complaining instead of trying to improve the article. Sorry about that. For the record, I think that a general explanation of the concept with one or two references to the most popular examples, like what somebody suggested above, would suffice. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]]

Can we just add at the end of the reference a couple of examples? Just make it "Marzipan's remark that the entire last season was just a dream refers to a gimmick employed by several television series in which such a revelation is made, usually in the last episode of that season, in series such as ''Dallas'' or ''Roseanne''." I think it would make the reference better, while still leaving it open ended. --[[User:Zonis|Zonis]] 03:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

::Hey! Every one! May I have your attention please! Might I ask why 65% of this is about something that has absolutely nothing to do with what this was origonaly being talked about? Lets just all do what the Chort up there suggested.I hate stuff that just rambles on and on about pointless jank for ever and ever. let that be my final word! [[User:Origonalname]]

== Homestar's Shoes? ==

Think it should be noted somewheres that Homestar's feet/shoes act like (and are referred to as) shoes in this toon? As far as I know, there's been a dispute over whether Homestar wears shoes or not, and this, especially the puppet show, could possibly confirm that he does.-Nonuser mster24
:Or that he doesn't. Note the fact that in that one closeup, his supposed "shoes" have those gnarly wart-looking things and his leg region is shown to have hair, despite the fact that there's no clear boundary between his "shoes/feet" and his legs. Just another wrench in the works-of-clearing-up-ambiguity is my guess. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Either way, we include references to his shoes on [[Homestar Runner's Pants]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:12, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

== Foot Pelts ==
Is this easter egg another instance of [[Strong Sad]]'s implied [[death]]? [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 00:03, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Implied amputation isn't implied death. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::It could go here though -> [[Severed Body Parts]] -02:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Why not? In [[modeling]], Strong Sad informs Strong Bad that poachers have been after his feet.
:: No, no, no, no, no! You people misintuprited this. Strong Bad is walking around in "someone else's slighty larger foot pelts", and he likes the feeling of it. In [[diorama]], it was revealed that Strong Sad wore Dr. Soolnd's Medicated Shoes, so those might not even be his feet, but his "slighty larger foot pelts" that Homestar mentioned. He is wearing Strong Sa's SHOES! At least, that's my inturpritation of the joke. Oh well, maybe not... --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
== Cow Clips ==

The "Cow Clips" Homestar uses on his shoes are Binder Clips, also known as Bulldog Clips.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binder_clip --[[User:Zonis|Zonis]] 19:49, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:The transcript already calls them binder clips. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::It's easy to see how someone could go from "bulldog clips" to "cow clips", but to me, it just seemed like some random association Homestar was making. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:14 6 Feb 2009}}

== Swiss-ness ==

"swiss miss" is a brand of hot cocoa and other food-esque items. to be included in real-world references? --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman (Neumannz)]] 20:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:And [[Wikipedia:Swiss Miss (disambiguation)|many other things]] as well. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:44, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

== Missle vs. Missal ==

When Homestar says "today's missle," I think he is actually saying "Today's Missal," a publication found at nearly every Catholic church. See: http://www.ocp.org/products/tm Also see the Wikipedia article on Missal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missal
Should this be included in explanations or maybe real-world references?
:It's a [[malapropism]] for "missive". "Missile" has the benefit of being one letter off. "Missal" does not. The pronunciation is the same. I say "missile" is fine. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:I think "missal". Mostly because both are written materials, a much more closely related semantic field than "missile" would be. (Although, one could make the argument that Homestar misread a teleprompter or queue card).
::In [[senorial day]] when there was a homonym debate, we put a footnote. -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.17|128.103.10.17]] 03:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::That was a stretch, this is a bigger one. There's no reason to throw in an uncommon term like missal when the common term will suffice. Barring some sort of direct mention to the contrary by the Brothers Chaps, I don't see how a footnote would be necessary.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:57, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::As I stated above, at least missive and missal share the common semantic domain of written documents, whereas missile does not. And considering that TBC do have some Catholic roots to them, it's very likely that they could have meant missal. I do not think you can simply dismiss one over the other without some solid rationale for doing so. At the very least, "missal" could be added parenthetically. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:02 6 Feb 2009}}
::::*Also, this is further complicated by the possibility that this is a portmanteau of "missive" and "epistle". {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:09 6 Feb 2009}}
::::To be extremely nitpicky, they're homo''phones''. If they were homonyms, we wouldn't be having this discussion. ;) I stick with "missile", but a large part of that is the fact that I had never heard of the word "missal" before this conversation. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:28, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Long Pants ==

Remember when Strong Bad asserted that Homestar "simply has blue soles glued to the bottom of his feet"? Should that be mentioned?
:Since they don't mention it in this toon, I don't see why it should be mentioned in the wiki. Also, this toon clearly indicates that Homestar is wearing shoes, since he mentions them by their brand name, and he shows a couple of larger versions of the same shoes.--[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Power forward ==

Why isn't [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_forward_(basketball) power forward] explained? [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 23:01, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:Who knows? Feel free to add it if you'd like. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 23:07, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::I added the explanation, and I also explained what it means to "post up" and I clarified "in the paint" a bit, but I'm sure what I wrote could be worded better. By the way, this is my first time editing. [[User:Willstar|Willstar]] 05:15, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

== Art Stockton ==

I hear "Technical foul ''on'' Stockton", not "Art Stockton". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:I would agree that that makes SLIGHTLY more sense, however, the "T" is clearly audible. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:26, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::it makes entirely more sense. In that "On Stockton" makes sense, and "Art Stockton" doesn't. Also, that "clearly audilbe T" isn't. I hear "on" every time.[[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 21:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Is it "Art"? I think so, but I'm not 100% sure. What I ''am'' 100% sure of is that it is ''not'' "On". And even if it was, who puts the stress on a preposition? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Oh, and one more thing. "Art" makes ''exactly'' as much sense as "Stockton" in this context — it's short for "Arthur". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Definitely "Art Stockton" rather than "on".
::::After cramming my left ear up to my computer speaker and listening to it like 7 times, I deduced that it's "on Stockton." {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 03:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::I hear on, myself. -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.17|128.103.10.17]] 03:50, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Sounds like on to me, he's just talking like a referee.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Just listened to it again. I don't know how on earth someone could interpret that as "Art." It's clearly "on." There's not even Homestar's usually twisted version of R present, let alone a T sound. Short O is something Homestar is not known for having trouble with, and that's clearly what he's saying. Might want to clean the wax out, guys.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::No, it's clearly "Art." Try turning the volume up on your speakers or something. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:07 6 Feb 2009}}
::::::::Uncertain on how clear the "T" is, but a) it sounds ''exactly'' like when Homestar attempts an "R" (or "awr"), b) there isn't a clear "N" either, and c) I re-stress the stress. If it was "On", one would think the stress would be on "Stockton", but it isn't; it's on that first word. If one was to say (as though it were a name) "Art Stockton", the stress would more likely be on "Art". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Other possibilities, BTW, include "Arn" (short for "Arnold") or "Ott" (short for "Otto"). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: Ok, although I've clearly heard "on Stockton" every time, I went ahead and sampled that part of the toon and slowed it way down in Audacity. I think it makes it very clear that he's saying "On Stockton." Here's a link to the mp3 so you can hear it yourself and decide: [http://www.efn.org/~jbl/hsr/stockton.mp3] --[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:48, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: He's saying it funny because he's talking like a referee would in such a situation. "This action...on XX...this penalty!" No offense to anyone, but I think you're crazy if you're hearing "Art." There's nothing even vaguely resembling it there, nor does it make any sense in that context in a way that would lead to a punchline.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 22:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::He's clearly saying "'''on''' Stockton," because he's assessing the foul ''on'' Stockton. Perhaps you're hearing "Art" or "Arn" because of the echo. And for that matter, the most well-known player named Stockton to ever play basketball was ''John'' Stockton. [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 09:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Still doesn't sound like "on" to me. Besides, who said he's referring to a basketball player? Homestar's playing "baskeeball". Which, apparently, uses first downs. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:48, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm seeing what looks like consensus here. Suggest removing the extraneous footnote. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 23:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
: What consensus are you seeing? The footnote stays. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:45, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
::Agreed... this isn't consensus... and he doesn't say "on". {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, it seems like <strike>two</strike> three people think it's Art and a lot more think it's on (.. and it is), which is more of a consensus than cases that have been called consensus before. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::And by a lot I mean, like, 7 or so... -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:46, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think you need to learn the not-so-subtle difference between consensus and a vote. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:52, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::The difference is consensus is what's accepted here and vote is not. Talking about prior cases on the wiki would never refer to a vote, unless STUFF is involved. And to address a separate issue, one of the arguments for Art is that the T is supposedly clearly audible, but then it's also claimed that "Arn" is possible. (Even if it were "Art", I think "Arn" is much less likely. It's a much less common nickname, imo). So which is it? Audible T or no T? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I am unable to make out the consonant fully at all. I think it's a "T" and don't at all believe it's an "N"; I merely suggested "Arn" as an attempt at compromise. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::K, well, if nobody seems to think it's Arn, I think the footnote is better with just Art. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 01:18, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Jay, you're hearing the "T" in Stockton and attaching it to the first word. It's '''on'''. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:19, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Right, I'm hearing the "T" in "Stockton" ''before'' the "S". 9_9 --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Think about it from a common sense perspective. They're trying to be funny: what's funny about "Art" or "Arn" or "Ott?" Nothing. There's no punchline; even when the Brothers Chaps are random, there's some sort of punchline to it, like Homsar's nonsensical response to Strong Sad asking him if he was going to say anything in DNA Evidence. Their references are always direct, joke A to popular culture point B. Stockton makes sense as a reference to John Stockton, an NBA player; Art Stockton makes no sense, and isn't funny. I've never, ever heard anyone use "Arn" as short for Arnold, or "Ott" as short for Otto, ever. I think that if you have to stretch the logic way out and create a web of connections to justify a reference, then barring a direct mention from the Brothers Chaps in a commentary or something it shouldn't be considered a legitimate reference.
Good grief, I can't believe I'm still going on about this.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
: What's funny about "On"? I already said I believed it was "Art" and only introduced the others as potential compromises. What reference? And the punchline was most obviously the "first down" part (if not the part where the puppet is appearing ''at all''.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:59, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::As I and the anony above said already, he's talking like a referee in a football game (randomness with a punchline) assessing a technical foul against "Stockton" (Marzipan). It's very simple. Don't make things so complicated in this; like I said, the more you try to find some sort of twisted web of logic to justify an extreme reference, the less sense it will all make. The most obvious reference is probably the right one, again barring something to the contrary from the creators.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::In what way am I making this complicated? I'm simply saying that what I hear is closer to "Art" than "On" and I don't see how making it "On" makes it any funnier as you previously said. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I agree with Big Dog. He's saying "on Stockton." As I said before, I think you're all hearing the echo and it's muffling what's actually being said. For the referee to say "Art Stockton" doesn't make any sense, even when it comes to TBC being random. [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 06:56, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Sure it does. Think of it this way, what if he said "False start, Larry Smith, five yard penalty"? would you say that that made so sense? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, that does make sense, but like I said, Homestar's playing basketball (even if he pronounced it weird), and John Stockton is the most famous "Stockton" to ever play basketball. That being said, to say "Art Stockton" doesn't make any sense at all, even for TBC. I just don't see how anyone could think it's anything other than the referee assessing the foul "'''on''' Stockton." [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 19:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::It makes every bit as much sense as [[Happy Hallow-Day|every]] [[Cool Things|other]] [[cheat talk|time]] TBC randomly mention the name of a character who doesn't exist, so yeah, this fits with TBC's style entirely. Anyway, the argument's pretty moot by now. You've already essentially won. The transcript says "On", which it did not do when this topic was created. The footnote is there to show that there is a disagreement. Removing the footnote would show that the people who originally argued for the footnote's point have recanted — which is obviously not the case. This is this Wiki's standard. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, there's no footnote in Jibblies 2, even though the arguers didn't recant. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.34|132.183.138.34]] 20:01, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::To add to the counterargument, your claim that "it makes no sense because he's playing basketball" actually goes to support our side... the whole sentence is supposed to not make sense. I mean, have you ever seen anyone get a first down in basketball? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Which is the entire point, which is why "Technical foul, on Stockton" is what he said. He's a referee, calling a foul, albeit in a football-ref style with a football penalty. Which is the entire joke. Can we please vote on this and get it over with? I think this rivals "gamble/gambol" for most inane debate ever on this wiki.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Voting has never really been Wiki policy outside of the now-decommissioned STUFF (which this wouldn't fall under anyway). And I reiterate: if nothing changes from how it is now (as opposed to when the debate started), you win this debate. So you asking to vote comes off as nothing more than attempting to hide that there ''is'' a debate. (After all, the "gambol" footnote is still on [[Senorial Day]], is it not?) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:For whatever it matters at this late point in the debate, I hear "on". My theory as to why people hear "art": Homestar uses a rather gravelly voice which makes the "n" sound more articulated than it really is. Maybe? Just a thought. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::As a football referee, "Art" makes just as much sense. The "on" would be implicit, and the foul is on "Art Stockton". If "False start, Larry Smith, five yard penalty" makes sense, then so does this. Or i'll make it even clearer. If "Technical foul, Larry Smith, first down!" makes sense, so does this. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 10:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::The thing is, though, foot ball refs give penalties in the format of "(Foul), '''Number (jersey number)''', Offense/Defense, (penalty)." They do not say "(foul), '''(player name)''', (penalty)." So if you want to talk about what makes sense, neither "on" nor "Art" make sense. Also, it should be noted that no one named Art Stockton ever played basketball in anything above high school. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 02:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== "Visible Seam" in goofs? ==

I don't see the visible seam on my screen, no matter how much I zoom in. It's possible that it's just my monitor, so I'm not going to erase that entry or anything, but I just thought I'd bring that up. Does anyone else see it in the current version of the toon? Maybe it's a fixed goof? --[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:It has been fixed. I didn't see it, so I changed the section to "Fixed Goofs" and reworded it. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 22:35, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::It hasn't been fixed because it was never broken. It is simply untrue. I have removed it. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:43, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== Inside references. ==

Does this toon somehow contribute to the idea of Homestar wearing long pants?

The big shoes he held up go over his foot to where his ankles would be, but his shoe puppets only flapped like sandal soles with inlays for tongues.

== That's a lot of emails ==
I'm not sure if this is more notable here or in [[Hremail 7]], if it's notable at all, but if this the two emails' numbering is taken at face value and Homestar was supposed to have checked 1,993 emails between 2001 and 2009 (assuming this email isn't taking place "in the future", which there's no evidence of) he'd having to be checking on average somewhere between four and five emails a week over the course of eight years. Anyone think this is worth noting anywhere? - [[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 21:41, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
: The thing is, the numbering is intentionally wonking. There is no evidence he checked any emails besides the ones we have seen.

Talk:Hremail 2000

Origonalname — Sat, 23 May 2009 21:50:44 GMT

Origonalname: /* Homestar's Arms */

==Dipped in ink==
Could the claim in the Easter egg that Shadow Homestar was "dipped in a vat of ink" be a reference to the ending montage of [[dangeresque 3]], where the silhouette of [[Killingyouguy]] was shown to be made by painting Strong Mad in black? It's what came first to my mind, anyway... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 09:22, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:Mine too.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 14:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:: Oh most definitely. Should there be a page for shadow Homestar, or at least a part of the chacter variation page for hime? He seems like a pretty important duplicate.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 21:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::[[Shadow Homestar Runner]]. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 22:58, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I don't really think the page is neccesary (Hope I spelled that right). It should be under Homestar's variations because that is practically him.---{{User:Record307/sig}} 02:17, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::The guy above me is right. Shadow Homestar is merely a slight variation of Homestar. But, Shadow Homestar could come back, and end up just like Homsar.[[User:Origonalname]]

== Shadow Homestar ==
Isn't this a reference to "Shadow Link" in the Legend of Zelda games? We all know TBC are big fans, so possibilities?
--[[User:Lustmyeyes|lustmyeyes <3]] 10:41, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:I think lots of video game characters have "shadow" or "dark" versions of themselves, it's quite common, from what I can tell. --[[User:That crazy DumDe!|DumDe]] 16:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::I wish, but the easter egg seems to be referencing the [[Street Fighter]] series. {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 16:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Mortal Kombat as well. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Since the whole scene is a parody of Mortal Kombat, I kinda think the Noob Saibot line holds some water. Another "ambiguous reference" about the ubiquitousness of "shadow" characters may also be appropriate. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 01:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::For what it's worth, the original "Prince of Persia" was almost certainly the first game to have such a "shadow" opponent... predates Mortal Kombat by 3 years. --[[User:dmz|dmz]] 08:30, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::I think we're best off with the ambiguous reference, like we already have on the page, though i wouldn't mind a nod to noob in the same line, since it IS mortal kombat after all. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Frankly, I'm against any reference at all to Noob Saibot - he wasn't all-black, just gray, and he didn't copy the moves of any character in particular. In his initial appearance, there were MULTIPLE characters that looked like him aside from the color scheme. If it's got anything at all to do with Mortal Kombat, it's almost certainly the mirror matches that were in the original game. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:04, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:It's Jung! Carl Jung! The shadow self represents our insecurities, the elements of our psyche we repress! To do battle with the shadow self is to cease projecting these qualities onto others and acknowledge them in our self! -SFC
:: What the crap? What are you talking/spamming about? Okay, Mr. Preacher, could you keep your ramblings to yourself or would you care to explain what you mean? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::: Jungian psychology describes the archetype (the common form present in everyone's understanding of the world) of the shadow self. The shadow self is, as I said, the part of ourself we don't consciously recognise - not necessarily the 'bad' parts, but the parts we don't think of as really 'us'. Part of psychological development, in this model, is acknowledging these elements - engaging with the shadow self, 'doing battle with it', and merging with it to form a more complete, healthy being. So, basically, Jung attributes to this root cause all the mythical examples of shadow selves - and his work predates video games, naturally. -SFC
::::You guys are getting a bit out of hand here. Jung? All I think is that it is similar to shadow link, and nowhere near as important as you guys are saying it is. This is like the Homsar laugh thing from the Career Day discussion all over again![[User:Origonalname]]]

== Multiples again? ==
It should probably be noted that this is another instance of [[duplicate characters]], both with the 3rd Homestar leg (which is obviously not part of homestar when he's shown on the basketball court) and possibly also because of the Shadow Homestar. [[Special:Contributions/72.70.158.239|72.70.158.239]] 13:56, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:'''Agree'''. Yeah we should probably note the third leg.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 14:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Done.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 19:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Except the three leg thing has really nothing to do with "shadow Homestar"... --[[Special:Contributions/71.58.29.180|71.58.29.180]] 23:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::::No one said it did... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:52, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

==Homestar's Arms==
I'm no master at editing wikis, so I think I'll just mention it here. There should probably be something about how Homestar holds a big sock, then a big shoe, then a bigger sock, and then a bigger shoe, more than someone could hold with two hands (as he lifts them up seperately, and they don't move afterwards).
:There is a place to do that. I'll try to find it for consistancy. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 17:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Try going [[invisible arms|here]]. I also added a remark on the article. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 17:51, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, does anyone else think the Chaps are doing this on purpose now? I notice the whole "doing-things-that-would-require-more-than-two-arms" controversy has seemed to heighten somewhat on this wiki lately, so are they just adding fuel to the fire? Do they ''enjoy'' making those who try to find at least some level of vague sense-make in the cartoon squirm uncomfortably in their seats? (Not that I'm one of those people, I'm just sayin'. It's a weird co-weenky-dink.) [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I believe one of their commentaries mentioned the wiki, so they definitely know what goes on here. Probably amused their dumb little animal cartoon is causing so much silly bantering. My take is it's, 'relax, it's just a cartoon." And giant hands. Just because they're invisible doesn't mean they have to be normal sized!
:::::He holds them up individually, so unless he has REALLY big fingers..... -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:26, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

What if he has one arm, holds an item, uses the other arm to put an item in his first arm, takes the second arm, puts the item in the first arm (this part would be hard, but not entirely impossible) and then holds the last item in the second arm (optionally, he could take the third item and transfer it back to the second)
:Yeah, it is actually possible to manipulate your fingers in a way where you can hold all four items at once, especially considering how light even giant socks are.
::I Don't think the Chaps meant to confuse you by having Homestar hold 4 things at once. I think it is more of a goof that they didn't have Homestar put down the extra items. This is one of those things that just don't make all that much sense. Just relax, it's not like it's the end of the world.[[User:Origonalname]]

== Dream ==
When marzipan says that "the whole last season was just a dream", could this be a reference to the infamous ending of the Sopranos Tv series?
:This is the fourth suggestion so far as to what show it's referring to. I think that pretty much makes it something that can't be pinned to any one thing. The other three are Roseanne, Dallas, and Newhart, as seen when i removed them [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Hremail_2000&diff=627207&oldid=627205&rcid=586009 here]. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:44, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Dallas did it first and is most famous for it. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 21:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::The show Newhart is arguably the most famous as making the ''entire show'' was a dream in his earlier show. But I don't want to get into an argument about which is "more famous", because if one is mentioned, they all need to be. The best way is to make an ambiguous reference. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:33, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
There's a big controversy on how to include a remark about how "the entire last season was a dream." Why not just add a non-specific reference like; "Several prime-time shows have revealed in the season's last episode that the entire season had merely been a dream."? I'm not good at writing these things though, but i'm sure someone could make it sound very good and succinct. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:01, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:Why hasn't anyone else thought of this? Nice idea. -Nonuser mster24
::I'll take a shot at it. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, it's up. Wasn't sure whether to put it in Explanations or Real-World References, but if I've erred someone can move it. I tried to word it as succinctly as I could, but of course if someone can reword it better, go for it. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:13, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Great summary, that's better than I could have put it. However, I believe that it belongs under Real-World references as it really isn't explaining anything rather than mention something said is referring to a real-life show(s). -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:29, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Actually, general references to culture rather than references to something specific go in explanations. it's in the right place. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::I almost changed it, but realized the same thing trying to rephrase it. I like it where it is. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::There has only been one show where they had an entire season which was a dream. That was Dallas. This is a direct, complete reference to Dallas. -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]]
:::-as opposed to NEWHART which was only 8 seasons dreamed up. If I do my math right, NEWHART is 800% more direct than Dallas. My point is, there's more than one show which did that and we have the reference already in the article. We appreciate your input, but this has been discussed. Please see above. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 22:32, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Well, not necessarily. One could argue that, by the "math" of the transitive <strike>butt</strike> gimmick property, Dallas: 1 season = 100% direct reference by what Marzi said, whereas Newhart: 1 series/8 seasons = 0% direct reference by what Marzi said. And as much as love Bob Newhart, I really think Dallas is the most likely reference (this coming from someone who hasn't even seen Dallas, but is just familiar with certain famous attributes, this being one of them). Having said that, though, I don't think there's a strong enough case to put that specific one in the article, so I don't think there's any other way to do it, no matter how much I hate general, ambiguous references (I usually don't find 'em very useful). (Though I do maintain that Dallas did it first, in the 85-86 season (Newhart ended in 1990), and that they've referenced Dallas at least once in the past, with the [[Caleb Rentpayer]] thing.) -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 22:47, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::The Trope link, on the other hand, makes a general reference much more useful. Anonny satisfied! -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 23:27, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::First of all, it would be 800% AS direct, not 800% more direct. Secondly Newhart presumes the entire series was a dream (and entirely for comedic effect, not even pretending to be realistic). If marzipan had said the entire series was a dream, then it would make sense. Dallas is the only series to have had a "Dream Season" which is what Marzipan says -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]]
:::::The only point I was proving is that Dallas is not the only show that has done it (while Dallas may have been first). All I is saying is that it shouldn't be a specific reference. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Since when is TV Tropes Wiki a reliable source for anything? -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 19:36, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Since TBC started making reference to TV tropes... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:38, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Show me where they did this. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 00:46, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, there's two of them in this very toon, and tons of others all over the place. they spoof pop culture a lot. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:50, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Oh. I thought you meant they referenced the TV Tropes website itself, in which case a link would be appropriate. As it is I don't see why the links shouldn't be replaced with Wikipedia articles that explain the concepts. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]]
::::::::::::Because tropes does a better job at documenting and describing them, and is more specific. that's why. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:06, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::True as that may be, that's not my point. Maybe I wasn't being clear enough. My point in my original edit was that I don't see how TV Tropes is a reliable source. I mean, Wikipedia's not perfect, but I'd take it over a site that openly says it has few standards and is mostly for fun any day. I mean, yeah, it's kinda entertaining sometimes, and I get the feeling some people are actually trying provide objective information about common plot devices and media conventions, after visiting that site for nearly two years I get the impression that a large chunk of the contributors are more concerned with informing everyone that Doctor Who/Avatar The Last Airbender/Discworld/some furry webcomic is awesome and every other piece of fiction ever written is crap. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 02:16, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:Other shows have done it, but Dallas is arguably the most well-known, especially given the Brothers Chaps' ages. Not to mention, that website doesn't even mention it, just a bunch of anime references...I don't know if it's really what fits in here.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 13:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::To elaborate, the Newhart ending was itself a parody of the tendency of 80s TV shows to turn to the "it was all a dream" copout to throw away story elements they didn't like, resurrect characters, move the show to Jupiter, etc. That ending is also widely regarded as one of the best moments in TV history. In contrast, there was a lot of aggravation that Dallas decided to just throw away an entire season's worth of story as just being a dream, which Marzipan's annoyance definitely alludes to. Frankly, I think the mathematically questionable attempts to say that it refers to this or that ought to give way to what folks older than 20 or so will recognize as a clear Dallas reference.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 13:20, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Just how does TV Tropes do "a better job at documenting and describing [concepts]" than this very wiki? To me, that website is the very definition of ""[[unnatural|an organized forum for people to shout out their ideas all at the same time]]": it's a complete mess of potentially interesting information, which overwhelms the reader due to a complete lack of standards and formatting. You claim that we should make ANY specific references to any examples of "dream seasons" (what's wrong with mentioning just two or three extremely well-known examples?), yet then link to some website that attempts to list every single use of dreams in all the films, TV programmes, anime, manga and video games that it can think of? Do we really need to pass the buck this badly? Instead, we should all take a look at a similar problem that happened a while ago with [[bottom 10]]; the problem involved "songs that try to pass off la la's, na na's, and doot do's as legit lyrics". There are a million songs this statement could be referencing, so it was decided that we would only make three well-known references and leave it at that. A similar solution should be taken with this article; we add a sentence to the fact along the lines of "Notable example of 'dream seasons' include Dallas, Newhart and Roseanne," and an invisble comment asking people not to make any more references. It might be OK to keep the link to TV Tropes if enough people want to, but at least don't leave our explaination of the concept as it is. It just looks terribly generic and wishy-washy unless the link is followed. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:I'd forgotten about ''Roseanne''. ''Dallas'' is the only example I find where the writers wrote themselves into a corner and out of desperation wiped out the whole season. I would not support listing ''Newhart'', as that final episode wiped out the entire ''series'' and was played for laughs. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
It just occurred to me that I forgot to add an alternative to the Tropes link, so it looks like I'm complaining instead of trying to improve the article. Sorry about that. For the record, I think that a general explanation of the concept with one or two references to the most popular examples, like what somebody suggested above, would suffice. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]]

Can we just add at the end of the reference a couple of examples? Just make it "Marzipan's remark that the entire last season was just a dream refers to a gimmick employed by several television series in which such a revelation is made, usually in the last episode of that season, in series such as ''Dallas'' or ''Roseanne''." I think it would make the reference better, while still leaving it open ended. --[[User:Zonis|Zonis]] 03:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Homestar's Shoes? ==

Think it should be noted somewheres that Homestar's feet/shoes act like (and are referred to as) shoes in this toon? As far as I know, there's been a dispute over whether Homestar wears shoes or not, and this, especially the puppet show, could possibly confirm that he does.-Nonuser mster24
:Or that he doesn't. Note the fact that in that one closeup, his supposed "shoes" have those gnarly wart-looking things and his leg region is shown to have hair, despite the fact that there's no clear boundary between his "shoes/feet" and his legs. Just another wrench in the works-of-clearing-up-ambiguity is my guess. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Either way, we include references to his shoes on [[Homestar Runner's Pants]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:12, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

== Foot Pelts ==
Is this easter egg another instance of [[Strong Sad]]'s implied [[death]]? [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 00:03, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Implied amputation isn't implied death. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::It could go here though -> [[Severed Body Parts]] -02:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Why not? In [[modeling]], Strong Sad informs Strong Bad that poachers have been after his feet.
:: No, no, no, no, no! You people misintuprited this. Strong Bad is walking around in "someone else's slighty larger foot pelts", and he likes the feeling of it. In [[diorama]], it was revealed that Strong Sad wore Dr. Soolnd's Medicated Shoes, so those might not even be his feet, but his "slighty larger foot pelts" that Homestar mentioned. He is wearing Strong Sa's SHOES! At least, that's my inturpritation of the joke. Oh well, maybe not... --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
== Cow Clips ==

The "Cow Clips" Homestar uses on his shoes are Binder Clips, also known as Bulldog Clips.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binder_clip --[[User:Zonis|Zonis]] 19:49, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:The transcript already calls them binder clips. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::It's easy to see how someone could go from "bulldog clips" to "cow clips", but to me, it just seemed like some random association Homestar was making. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:14 6 Feb 2009}}

== Swiss-ness ==

"swiss miss" is a brand of hot cocoa and other food-esque items. to be included in real-world references? --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman (Neumannz)]] 20:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:And [[Wikipedia:Swiss Miss (disambiguation)|many other things]] as well. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:44, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

== Missle vs. Missal ==

When Homestar says "today's missle," I think he is actually saying "Today's Missal," a publication found at nearly every Catholic church. See: http://www.ocp.org/products/tm Also see the Wikipedia article on Missal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missal
Should this be included in explanations or maybe real-world references?
:It's a [[malapropism]] for "missive". "Missile" has the benefit of being one letter off. "Missal" does not. The pronunciation is the same. I say "missile" is fine. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:I think "missal". Mostly because both are written materials, a much more closely related semantic field than "missile" would be. (Although, one could make the argument that Homestar misread a teleprompter or queue card).
::In [[senorial day]] when there was a homonym debate, we put a footnote. -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.17|128.103.10.17]] 03:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::That was a stretch, this is a bigger one. There's no reason to throw in an uncommon term like missal when the common term will suffice. Barring some sort of direct mention to the contrary by the Brothers Chaps, I don't see how a footnote would be necessary.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:57, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::As I stated above, at least missive and missal share the common semantic domain of written documents, whereas missile does not. And considering that TBC do have some Catholic roots to them, it's very likely that they could have meant missal. I do not think you can simply dismiss one over the other without some solid rationale for doing so. At the very least, "missal" could be added parenthetically. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:02 6 Feb 2009}}
::::*Also, this is further complicated by the possibility that this is a portmanteau of "missive" and "epistle". {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:09 6 Feb 2009}}
::::To be extremely nitpicky, they're homo''phones''. If they were homonyms, we wouldn't be having this discussion. ;) I stick with "missile", but a large part of that is the fact that I had never heard of the word "missal" before this conversation. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:28, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Long Pants ==

Remember when Strong Bad asserted that Homestar "simply has blue soles glued to the bottom of his feet"? Should that be mentioned?
:Since they don't mention it in this toon, I don't see why it should be mentioned in the wiki. Also, this toon clearly indicates that Homestar is wearing shoes, since he mentions them by their brand name, and he shows a couple of larger versions of the same shoes.--[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Power forward ==

Why isn't [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_forward_(basketball) power forward] explained? [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 23:01, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:Who knows? Feel free to add it if you'd like. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 23:07, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::I added the explanation, and I also explained what it means to "post up" and I clarified "in the paint" a bit, but I'm sure what I wrote could be worded better. By the way, this is my first time editing. [[User:Willstar|Willstar]] 05:15, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

== Art Stockton ==

I hear "Technical foul ''on'' Stockton", not "Art Stockton". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:I would agree that that makes SLIGHTLY more sense, however, the "T" is clearly audible. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:26, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::it makes entirely more sense. In that "On Stockton" makes sense, and "Art Stockton" doesn't. Also, that "clearly audilbe T" isn't. I hear "on" every time.[[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 21:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Is it "Art"? I think so, but I'm not 100% sure. What I ''am'' 100% sure of is that it is ''not'' "On". And even if it was, who puts the stress on a preposition? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Oh, and one more thing. "Art" makes ''exactly'' as much sense as "Stockton" in this context — it's short for "Arthur". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Definitely "Art Stockton" rather than "on".
::::After cramming my left ear up to my computer speaker and listening to it like 7 times, I deduced that it's "on Stockton." {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 03:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::I hear on, myself. -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.17|128.103.10.17]] 03:50, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Sounds like on to me, he's just talking like a referee.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Just listened to it again. I don't know how on earth someone could interpret that as "Art." It's clearly "on." There's not even Homestar's usually twisted version of R present, let alone a T sound. Short O is something Homestar is not known for having trouble with, and that's clearly what he's saying. Might want to clean the wax out, guys.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::No, it's clearly "Art." Try turning the volume up on your speakers or something. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:07 6 Feb 2009}}
::::::::Uncertain on how clear the "T" is, but a) it sounds ''exactly'' like when Homestar attempts an "R" (or "awr"), b) there isn't a clear "N" either, and c) I re-stress the stress. If it was "On", one would think the stress would be on "Stockton", but it isn't; it's on that first word. If one was to say (as though it were a name) "Art Stockton", the stress would more likely be on "Art". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Other possibilities, BTW, include "Arn" (short for "Arnold") or "Ott" (short for "Otto"). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: Ok, although I've clearly heard "on Stockton" every time, I went ahead and sampled that part of the toon and slowed it way down in Audacity. I think it makes it very clear that he's saying "On Stockton." Here's a link to the mp3 so you can hear it yourself and decide: [http://www.efn.org/~jbl/hsr/stockton.mp3] --[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:48, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: He's saying it funny because he's talking like a referee would in such a situation. "This action...on XX...this penalty!" No offense to anyone, but I think you're crazy if you're hearing "Art." There's nothing even vaguely resembling it there, nor does it make any sense in that context in a way that would lead to a punchline.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 22:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::He's clearly saying "'''on''' Stockton," because he's assessing the foul ''on'' Stockton. Perhaps you're hearing "Art" or "Arn" because of the echo. And for that matter, the most well-known player named Stockton to ever play basketball was ''John'' Stockton. [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 09:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Still doesn't sound like "on" to me. Besides, who said he's referring to a basketball player? Homestar's playing "baskeeball". Which, apparently, uses first downs. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:48, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm seeing what looks like consensus here. Suggest removing the extraneous footnote. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 23:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
: What consensus are you seeing? The footnote stays. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:45, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
::Agreed... this isn't consensus... and he doesn't say "on". {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, it seems like <strike>two</strike> three people think it's Art and a lot more think it's on (.. and it is), which is more of a consensus than cases that have been called consensus before. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::And by a lot I mean, like, 7 or so... -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:46, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think you need to learn the not-so-subtle difference between consensus and a vote. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:52, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::The difference is consensus is what's accepted here and vote is not. Talking about prior cases on the wiki would never refer to a vote, unless STUFF is involved. And to address a separate issue, one of the arguments for Art is that the T is supposedly clearly audible, but then it's also claimed that "Arn" is possible. (Even if it were "Art", I think "Arn" is much less likely. It's a much less common nickname, imo). So which is it? Audible T or no T? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I am unable to make out the consonant fully at all. I think it's a "T" and don't at all believe it's an "N"; I merely suggested "Arn" as an attempt at compromise. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::K, well, if nobody seems to think it's Arn, I think the footnote is better with just Art. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 01:18, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Jay, you're hearing the "T" in Stockton and attaching it to the first word. It's '''on'''. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:19, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Right, I'm hearing the "T" in "Stockton" ''before'' the "S". 9_9 --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Think about it from a common sense perspective. They're trying to be funny: what's funny about "Art" or "Arn" or "Ott?" Nothing. There's no punchline; even when the Brothers Chaps are random, there's some sort of punchline to it, like Homsar's nonsensical response to Strong Sad asking him if he was going to say anything in DNA Evidence. Their references are always direct, joke A to popular culture point B. Stockton makes sense as a reference to John Stockton, an NBA player; Art Stockton makes no sense, and isn't funny. I've never, ever heard anyone use "Arn" as short for Arnold, or "Ott" as short for Otto, ever. I think that if you have to stretch the logic way out and create a web of connections to justify a reference, then barring a direct mention from the Brothers Chaps in a commentary or something it shouldn't be considered a legitimate reference.
Good grief, I can't believe I'm still going on about this.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
: What's funny about "On"? I already said I believed it was "Art" and only introduced the others as potential compromises. What reference? And the punchline was most obviously the "first down" part (if not the part where the puppet is appearing ''at all''.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:59, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::As I and the anony above said already, he's talking like a referee in a football game (randomness with a punchline) assessing a technical foul against "Stockton" (Marzipan). It's very simple. Don't make things so complicated in this; like I said, the more you try to find some sort of twisted web of logic to justify an extreme reference, the less sense it will all make. The most obvious reference is probably the right one, again barring something to the contrary from the creators.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::In what way am I making this complicated? I'm simply saying that what I hear is closer to "Art" than "On" and I don't see how making it "On" makes it any funnier as you previously said. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I agree with Big Dog. He's saying "on Stockton." As I said before, I think you're all hearing the echo and it's muffling what's actually being said. For the referee to say "Art Stockton" doesn't make any sense, even when it comes to TBC being random. [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 06:56, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Sure it does. Think of it this way, what if he said "False start, Larry Smith, five yard penalty"? would you say that that made so sense? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, that does make sense, but like I said, Homestar's playing basketball (even if he pronounced it weird), and John Stockton is the most famous "Stockton" to ever play basketball. That being said, to say "Art Stockton" doesn't make any sense at all, even for TBC. I just don't see how anyone could think it's anything other than the referee assessing the foul "'''on''' Stockton." [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 19:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::It makes every bit as much sense as [[Happy Hallow-Day|every]] [[Cool Things|other]] [[cheat talk|time]] TBC randomly mention the name of a character who doesn't exist, so yeah, this fits with TBC's style entirely. Anyway, the argument's pretty moot by now. You've already essentially won. The transcript says "On", which it did not do when this topic was created. The footnote is there to show that there is a disagreement. Removing the footnote would show that the people who originally argued for the footnote's point have recanted — which is obviously not the case. This is this Wiki's standard. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, there's no footnote in Jibblies 2, even though the arguers didn't recant. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.34|132.183.138.34]] 20:01, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::To add to the counterargument, your claim that "it makes no sense because he's playing basketball" actually goes to support our side... the whole sentence is supposed to not make sense. I mean, have you ever seen anyone get a first down in basketball? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Which is the entire point, which is why "Technical foul, on Stockton" is what he said. He's a referee, calling a foul, albeit in a football-ref style with a football penalty. Which is the entire joke. Can we please vote on this and get it over with? I think this rivals "gamble/gambol" for most inane debate ever on this wiki.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Voting has never really been Wiki policy outside of the now-decommissioned STUFF (which this wouldn't fall under anyway). And I reiterate: if nothing changes from how it is now (as opposed to when the debate started), you win this debate. So you asking to vote comes off as nothing more than attempting to hide that there ''is'' a debate. (After all, the "gambol" footnote is still on [[Senorial Day]], is it not?) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:For whatever it matters at this late point in the debate, I hear "on". My theory as to why people hear "art": Homestar uses a rather gravelly voice which makes the "n" sound more articulated than it really is. Maybe? Just a thought. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::As a football referee, "Art" makes just as much sense. The "on" would be implicit, and the foul is on "Art Stockton". If "False start, Larry Smith, five yard penalty" makes sense, then so does this. Or i'll make it even clearer. If "Technical foul, Larry Smith, first down!" makes sense, so does this. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 10:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::The thing is, though, foot ball refs give penalties in the format of "(Foul), '''Number (jersey number)''', Offense/Defense, (penalty)." They do not say "(foul), '''(player name)''', (penalty)." So if you want to talk about what makes sense, neither "on" nor "Art" make sense. Also, it should be noted that no one named Art Stockton ever played basketball in anything above high school. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 02:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== "Visible Seam" in goofs? ==

I don't see the visible seam on my screen, no matter how much I zoom in. It's possible that it's just my monitor, so I'm not going to erase that entry or anything, but I just thought I'd bring that up. Does anyone else see it in the current version of the toon? Maybe it's a fixed goof? --[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:It has been fixed. I didn't see it, so I changed the section to "Fixed Goofs" and reworded it. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 22:35, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::It hasn't been fixed because it was never broken. It is simply untrue. I have removed it. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:43, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== Inside references. ==

Does this toon somehow contribute to the idea of Homestar wearing long pants?

The big shoes he held up go over his foot to where his ankles would be, but his shoe puppets only flapped like sandal soles with inlays for tongues.

== That's a lot of emails ==
I'm not sure if this is more notable here or in [[Hremail 7]], if it's notable at all, but if this the two emails' numbering is taken at face value and Homestar was supposed to have checked 1,993 emails between 2001 and 2009 (assuming this email isn't taking place "in the future", which there's no evidence of) he'd having to be checking on average somewhere between four and five emails a week over the course of eight years. Anyone think this is worth noting anywhere? - [[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 21:41, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
: The thing is, the numbering is intentionally wonking. There is no evidence he checked any emails besides the ones we have seen.

Talk:Hremail 2000

Origonalname — Sat, 23 May 2009 21:43:28 GMT

Origonalname: /* Dipped in ink */

==Dipped in ink==
Could the claim in the Easter egg that Shadow Homestar was "dipped in a vat of ink" be a reference to the ending montage of [[dangeresque 3]], where the silhouette of [[Killingyouguy]] was shown to be made by painting Strong Mad in black? It's what came first to my mind, anyway... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 09:22, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:Mine too.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 14:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:: Oh most definitely. Should there be a page for shadow Homestar, or at least a part of the chacter variation page for hime? He seems like a pretty important duplicate.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 21:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::[[Shadow Homestar Runner]]. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 22:58, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I don't really think the page is neccesary (Hope I spelled that right). It should be under Homestar's variations because that is practically him.---{{User:Record307/sig}} 02:17, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::The guy above me is right. Shadow Homestar is merely a slight variation of Homestar. But, Shadow Homestar could come back, and end up just like Homsar.[[User:Origonalname]]

== Shadow Homestar ==
Isn't this a reference to "Shadow Link" in the Legend of Zelda games? We all know TBC are big fans, so possibilities?
--[[User:Lustmyeyes|lustmyeyes <3]] 10:41, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:I think lots of video game characters have "shadow" or "dark" versions of themselves, it's quite common, from what I can tell. --[[User:That crazy DumDe!|DumDe]] 16:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::I wish, but the easter egg seems to be referencing the [[Street Fighter]] series. {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 16:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Mortal Kombat as well. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Since the whole scene is a parody of Mortal Kombat, I kinda think the Noob Saibot line holds some water. Another "ambiguous reference" about the ubiquitousness of "shadow" characters may also be appropriate. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 01:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::For what it's worth, the original "Prince of Persia" was almost certainly the first game to have such a "shadow" opponent... predates Mortal Kombat by 3 years. --[[User:dmz|dmz]] 08:30, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::I think we're best off with the ambiguous reference, like we already have on the page, though i wouldn't mind a nod to noob in the same line, since it IS mortal kombat after all. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Frankly, I'm against any reference at all to Noob Saibot - he wasn't all-black, just gray, and he didn't copy the moves of any character in particular. In his initial appearance, there were MULTIPLE characters that looked like him aside from the color scheme. If it's got anything at all to do with Mortal Kombat, it's almost certainly the mirror matches that were in the original game. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:04, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:It's Jung! Carl Jung! The shadow self represents our insecurities, the elements of our psyche we repress! To do battle with the shadow self is to cease projecting these qualities onto others and acknowledge them in our self! -SFC
:: What the crap? What are you talking/spamming about? Okay, Mr. Preacher, could you keep your ramblings to yourself or would you care to explain what you mean? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::: Jungian psychology describes the archetype (the common form present in everyone's understanding of the world) of the shadow self. The shadow self is, as I said, the part of ourself we don't consciously recognise - not necessarily the 'bad' parts, but the parts we don't think of as really 'us'. Part of psychological development, in this model, is acknowledging these elements - engaging with the shadow self, 'doing battle with it', and merging with it to form a more complete, healthy being. So, basically, Jung attributes to this root cause all the mythical examples of shadow selves - and his work predates video games, naturally. -SFC
::::You guys are getting a bit out of hand here. Jung? All I think is that it is similar to shadow link, and nowhere near as important as you guys are saying it is. This is like the Homsar laugh thing from the Career Day discussion all over again![[User:Origonalname]]]

== Multiples again? ==
It should probably be noted that this is another instance of [[duplicate characters]], both with the 3rd Homestar leg (which is obviously not part of homestar when he's shown on the basketball court) and possibly also because of the Shadow Homestar. [[Special:Contributions/72.70.158.239|72.70.158.239]] 13:56, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:'''Agree'''. Yeah we should probably note the third leg.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 14:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Done.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 19:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Except the three leg thing has really nothing to do with "shadow Homestar"... --[[Special:Contributions/71.58.29.180|71.58.29.180]] 23:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::::No one said it did... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:52, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

==Homestar's Arms==
I'm no master at editing wikis, so I think I'll just mention it here. There should probably be something about how Homestar holds a big sock, then a big shoe, then a bigger sock, and then a bigger shoe, more than someone could hold with two hands (as he lifts them up seperately, and they don't move afterwards).
:There is a place to do that. I'll try to find it for consistancy. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 17:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Try going [[invisible arms|here]]. I also added a remark on the article. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 17:51, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, does anyone else think the Chaps are doing this on purpose now? I notice the whole "doing-things-that-would-require-more-than-two-arms" controversy has seemed to heighten somewhat on this wiki lately, so are they just adding fuel to the fire? Do they ''enjoy'' making those who try to find at least some level of vague sense-make in the cartoon squirm uncomfortably in their seats? (Not that I'm one of those people, I'm just sayin'. It's a weird co-weenky-dink.) [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I believe one of their commentaries mentioned the wiki, so they definitely know what goes on here. Probably amused their dumb little animal cartoon is causing so much silly bantering. My take is it's, 'relax, it's just a cartoon." And giant hands. Just because they're invisible doesn't mean they have to be normal sized!
:::::He holds them up individually, so unless he has REALLY big fingers..... -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:26, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

What if he has one arm, holds an item, uses the other arm to put an item in his first arm, takes the second arm, puts the item in the first arm (this part would be hard, but not entirely impossible) and then holds the last item in the second arm (optionally, he could take the third item and transfer it back to the second)
:Yeah, it is actually possible to manipulate your fingers in a way where you can hold all four items at once, especially considering how light even giant socks are.

== Dream ==
When marzipan says that "the whole last season was just a dream", could this be a reference to the infamous ending of the Sopranos Tv series?
:This is the fourth suggestion so far as to what show it's referring to. I think that pretty much makes it something that can't be pinned to any one thing. The other three are Roseanne, Dallas, and Newhart, as seen when i removed them [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Hremail_2000&diff=627207&oldid=627205&rcid=586009 here]. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:44, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Dallas did it first and is most famous for it. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 21:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::The show Newhart is arguably the most famous as making the ''entire show'' was a dream in his earlier show. But I don't want to get into an argument about which is "more famous", because if one is mentioned, they all need to be. The best way is to make an ambiguous reference. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:33, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
There's a big controversy on how to include a remark about how "the entire last season was a dream." Why not just add a non-specific reference like; "Several prime-time shows have revealed in the season's last episode that the entire season had merely been a dream."? I'm not good at writing these things though, but i'm sure someone could make it sound very good and succinct. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:01, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:Why hasn't anyone else thought of this? Nice idea. -Nonuser mster24
::I'll take a shot at it. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, it's up. Wasn't sure whether to put it in Explanations or Real-World References, but if I've erred someone can move it. I tried to word it as succinctly as I could, but of course if someone can reword it better, go for it. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:13, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Great summary, that's better than I could have put it. However, I believe that it belongs under Real-World references as it really isn't explaining anything rather than mention something said is referring to a real-life show(s). -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:29, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Actually, general references to culture rather than references to something specific go in explanations. it's in the right place. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::I almost changed it, but realized the same thing trying to rephrase it. I like it where it is. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::There has only been one show where they had an entire season which was a dream. That was Dallas. This is a direct, complete reference to Dallas. -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]]
:::-as opposed to NEWHART which was only 8 seasons dreamed up. If I do my math right, NEWHART is 800% more direct than Dallas. My point is, there's more than one show which did that and we have the reference already in the article. We appreciate your input, but this has been discussed. Please see above. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 22:32, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Well, not necessarily. One could argue that, by the "math" of the transitive <strike>butt</strike> gimmick property, Dallas: 1 season = 100% direct reference by what Marzi said, whereas Newhart: 1 series/8 seasons = 0% direct reference by what Marzi said. And as much as love Bob Newhart, I really think Dallas is the most likely reference (this coming from someone who hasn't even seen Dallas, but is just familiar with certain famous attributes, this being one of them). Having said that, though, I don't think there's a strong enough case to put that specific one in the article, so I don't think there's any other way to do it, no matter how much I hate general, ambiguous references (I usually don't find 'em very useful). (Though I do maintain that Dallas did it first, in the 85-86 season (Newhart ended in 1990), and that they've referenced Dallas at least once in the past, with the [[Caleb Rentpayer]] thing.) -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 22:47, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::The Trope link, on the other hand, makes a general reference much more useful. Anonny satisfied! -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 23:27, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::First of all, it would be 800% AS direct, not 800% more direct. Secondly Newhart presumes the entire series was a dream (and entirely for comedic effect, not even pretending to be realistic). If marzipan had said the entire series was a dream, then it would make sense. Dallas is the only series to have had a "Dream Season" which is what Marzipan says -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]]
:::::The only point I was proving is that Dallas is not the only show that has done it (while Dallas may have been first). All I is saying is that it shouldn't be a specific reference. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Since when is TV Tropes Wiki a reliable source for anything? -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 19:36, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Since TBC started making reference to TV tropes... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:38, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Show me where they did this. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 00:46, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, there's two of them in this very toon, and tons of others all over the place. they spoof pop culture a lot. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:50, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Oh. I thought you meant they referenced the TV Tropes website itself, in which case a link would be appropriate. As it is I don't see why the links shouldn't be replaced with Wikipedia articles that explain the concepts. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]]
::::::::::::Because tropes does a better job at documenting and describing them, and is more specific. that's why. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:06, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::True as that may be, that's not my point. Maybe I wasn't being clear enough. My point in my original edit was that I don't see how TV Tropes is a reliable source. I mean, Wikipedia's not perfect, but I'd take it over a site that openly says it has few standards and is mostly for fun any day. I mean, yeah, it's kinda entertaining sometimes, and I get the feeling some people are actually trying provide objective information about common plot devices and media conventions, after visiting that site for nearly two years I get the impression that a large chunk of the contributors are more concerned with informing everyone that Doctor Who/Avatar The Last Airbender/Discworld/some furry webcomic is awesome and every other piece of fiction ever written is crap. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 02:16, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:Other shows have done it, but Dallas is arguably the most well-known, especially given the Brothers Chaps' ages. Not to mention, that website doesn't even mention it, just a bunch of anime references...I don't know if it's really what fits in here.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 13:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::To elaborate, the Newhart ending was itself a parody of the tendency of 80s TV shows to turn to the "it was all a dream" copout to throw away story elements they didn't like, resurrect characters, move the show to Jupiter, etc. That ending is also widely regarded as one of the best moments in TV history. In contrast, there was a lot of aggravation that Dallas decided to just throw away an entire season's worth of story as just being a dream, which Marzipan's annoyance definitely alludes to. Frankly, I think the mathematically questionable attempts to say that it refers to this or that ought to give way to what folks older than 20 or so will recognize as a clear Dallas reference.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 13:20, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Just how does TV Tropes do "a better job at documenting and describing [concepts]" than this very wiki? To me, that website is the very definition of ""[[unnatural|an organized forum for people to shout out their ideas all at the same time]]": it's a complete mess of potentially interesting information, which overwhelms the reader due to a complete lack of standards and formatting. You claim that we should make ANY specific references to any examples of "dream seasons" (what's wrong with mentioning just two or three extremely well-known examples?), yet then link to some website that attempts to list every single use of dreams in all the films, TV programmes, anime, manga and video games that it can think of? Do we really need to pass the buck this badly? Instead, we should all take a look at a similar problem that happened a while ago with [[bottom 10]]; the problem involved "songs that try to pass off la la's, na na's, and doot do's as legit lyrics". There are a million songs this statement could be referencing, so it was decided that we would only make three well-known references and leave it at that. A similar solution should be taken with this article; we add a sentence to the fact along the lines of "Notable example of 'dream seasons' include Dallas, Newhart and Roseanne," and an invisble comment asking people not to make any more references. It might be OK to keep the link to TV Tropes if enough people want to, but at least don't leave our explaination of the concept as it is. It just looks terribly generic and wishy-washy unless the link is followed. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:I'd forgotten about ''Roseanne''. ''Dallas'' is the only example I find where the writers wrote themselves into a corner and out of desperation wiped out the whole season. I would not support listing ''Newhart'', as that final episode wiped out the entire ''series'' and was played for laughs. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
It just occurred to me that I forgot to add an alternative to the Tropes link, so it looks like I'm complaining instead of trying to improve the article. Sorry about that. For the record, I think that a general explanation of the concept with one or two references to the most popular examples, like what somebody suggested above, would suffice. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]]

Can we just add at the end of the reference a couple of examples? Just make it "Marzipan's remark that the entire last season was just a dream refers to a gimmick employed by several television series in which such a revelation is made, usually in the last episode of that season, in series such as ''Dallas'' or ''Roseanne''." I think it would make the reference better, while still leaving it open ended. --[[User:Zonis|Zonis]] 03:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Homestar's Shoes? ==

Think it should be noted somewheres that Homestar's feet/shoes act like (and are referred to as) shoes in this toon? As far as I know, there's been a dispute over whether Homestar wears shoes or not, and this, especially the puppet show, could possibly confirm that he does.-Nonuser mster24
:Or that he doesn't. Note the fact that in that one closeup, his supposed "shoes" have those gnarly wart-looking things and his leg region is shown to have hair, despite the fact that there's no clear boundary between his "shoes/feet" and his legs. Just another wrench in the works-of-clearing-up-ambiguity is my guess. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Either way, we include references to his shoes on [[Homestar Runner's Pants]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:12, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

== Foot Pelts ==
Is this easter egg another instance of [[Strong Sad]]'s implied [[death]]? [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 00:03, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Implied amputation isn't implied death. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::It could go here though -> [[Severed Body Parts]] -02:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Why not? In [[modeling]], Strong Sad informs Strong Bad that poachers have been after his feet.
:: No, no, no, no, no! You people misintuprited this. Strong Bad is walking around in "someone else's slighty larger foot pelts", and he likes the feeling of it. In [[diorama]], it was revealed that Strong Sad wore Dr. Soolnd's Medicated Shoes, so those might not even be his feet, but his "slighty larger foot pelts" that Homestar mentioned. He is wearing Strong Sa's SHOES! At least, that's my inturpritation of the joke. Oh well, maybe not... --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
== Cow Clips ==

The "Cow Clips" Homestar uses on his shoes are Binder Clips, also known as Bulldog Clips.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binder_clip --[[User:Zonis|Zonis]] 19:49, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:The transcript already calls them binder clips. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::It's easy to see how someone could go from "bulldog clips" to "cow clips", but to me, it just seemed like some random association Homestar was making. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:14 6 Feb 2009}}

== Swiss-ness ==

"swiss miss" is a brand of hot cocoa and other food-esque items. to be included in real-world references? --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman (Neumannz)]] 20:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:And [[Wikipedia:Swiss Miss (disambiguation)|many other things]] as well. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:44, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

== Missle vs. Missal ==

When Homestar says "today's missle," I think he is actually saying "Today's Missal," a publication found at nearly every Catholic church. See: http://www.ocp.org/products/tm Also see the Wikipedia article on Missal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missal
Should this be included in explanations or maybe real-world references?
:It's a [[malapropism]] for "missive". "Missile" has the benefit of being one letter off. "Missal" does not. The pronunciation is the same. I say "missile" is fine. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:I think "missal". Mostly because both are written materials, a much more closely related semantic field than "missile" would be. (Although, one could make the argument that Homestar misread a teleprompter or queue card).
::In [[senorial day]] when there was a homonym debate, we put a footnote. -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.17|128.103.10.17]] 03:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::That was a stretch, this is a bigger one. There's no reason to throw in an uncommon term like missal when the common term will suffice. Barring some sort of direct mention to the contrary by the Brothers Chaps, I don't see how a footnote would be necessary.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:57, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::As I stated above, at least missive and missal share the common semantic domain of written documents, whereas missile does not. And considering that TBC do have some Catholic roots to them, it's very likely that they could have meant missal. I do not think you can simply dismiss one over the other without some solid rationale for doing so. At the very least, "missal" could be added parenthetically. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:02 6 Feb 2009}}
::::*Also, this is further complicated by the possibility that this is a portmanteau of "missive" and "epistle". {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:09 6 Feb 2009}}
::::To be extremely nitpicky, they're homo''phones''. If they were homonyms, we wouldn't be having this discussion. ;) I stick with "missile", but a large part of that is the fact that I had never heard of the word "missal" before this conversation. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:28, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Long Pants ==

Remember when Strong Bad asserted that Homestar "simply has blue soles glued to the bottom of his feet"? Should that be mentioned?
:Since they don't mention it in this toon, I don't see why it should be mentioned in the wiki. Also, this toon clearly indicates that Homestar is wearing shoes, since he mentions them by their brand name, and he shows a couple of larger versions of the same shoes.--[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Power forward ==

Why isn't [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_forward_(basketball) power forward] explained? [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 23:01, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:Who knows? Feel free to add it if you'd like. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 23:07, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::I added the explanation, and I also explained what it means to "post up" and I clarified "in the paint" a bit, but I'm sure what I wrote could be worded better. By the way, this is my first time editing. [[User:Willstar|Willstar]] 05:15, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

== Art Stockton ==

I hear "Technical foul ''on'' Stockton", not "Art Stockton". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:I would agree that that makes SLIGHTLY more sense, however, the "T" is clearly audible. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:26, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::it makes entirely more sense. In that "On Stockton" makes sense, and "Art Stockton" doesn't. Also, that "clearly audilbe T" isn't. I hear "on" every time.[[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 21:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Is it "Art"? I think so, but I'm not 100% sure. What I ''am'' 100% sure of is that it is ''not'' "On". And even if it was, who puts the stress on a preposition? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Oh, and one more thing. "Art" makes ''exactly'' as much sense as "Stockton" in this context — it's short for "Arthur". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Definitely "Art Stockton" rather than "on".
::::After cramming my left ear up to my computer speaker and listening to it like 7 times, I deduced that it's "on Stockton." {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 03:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::I hear on, myself. -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.17|128.103.10.17]] 03:50, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Sounds like on to me, he's just talking like a referee.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Just listened to it again. I don't know how on earth someone could interpret that as "Art." It's clearly "on." There's not even Homestar's usually twisted version of R present, let alone a T sound. Short O is something Homestar is not known for having trouble with, and that's clearly what he's saying. Might want to clean the wax out, guys.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::No, it's clearly "Art." Try turning the volume up on your speakers or something. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:07 6 Feb 2009}}
::::::::Uncertain on how clear the "T" is, but a) it sounds ''exactly'' like when Homestar attempts an "R" (or "awr"), b) there isn't a clear "N" either, and c) I re-stress the stress. If it was "On", one would think the stress would be on "Stockton", but it isn't; it's on that first word. If one was to say (as though it were a name) "Art Stockton", the stress would more likely be on "Art". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Other possibilities, BTW, include "Arn" (short for "Arnold") or "Ott" (short for "Otto"). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: Ok, although I've clearly heard "on Stockton" every time, I went ahead and sampled that part of the toon and slowed it way down in Audacity. I think it makes it very clear that he's saying "On Stockton." Here's a link to the mp3 so you can hear it yourself and decide: [http://www.efn.org/~jbl/hsr/stockton.mp3] --[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:48, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: He's saying it funny because he's talking like a referee would in such a situation. "This action...on XX...this penalty!" No offense to anyone, but I think you're crazy if you're hearing "Art." There's nothing even vaguely resembling it there, nor does it make any sense in that context in a way that would lead to a punchline.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 22:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::He's clearly saying "'''on''' Stockton," because he's assessing the foul ''on'' Stockton. Perhaps you're hearing "Art" or "Arn" because of the echo. And for that matter, the most well-known player named Stockton to ever play basketball was ''John'' Stockton. [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 09:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Still doesn't sound like "on" to me. Besides, who said he's referring to a basketball player? Homestar's playing "baskeeball". Which, apparently, uses first downs. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:48, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm seeing what looks like consensus here. Suggest removing the extraneous footnote. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 23:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
: What consensus are you seeing? The footnote stays. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:45, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
::Agreed... this isn't consensus... and he doesn't say "on". {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, it seems like <strike>two</strike> three people think it's Art and a lot more think it's on (.. and it is), which is more of a consensus than cases that have been called consensus before. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::And by a lot I mean, like, 7 or so... -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:46, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think you need to learn the not-so-subtle difference between consensus and a vote. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:52, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::The difference is consensus is what's accepted here and vote is not. Talking about prior cases on the wiki would never refer to a vote, unless STUFF is involved. And to address a separate issue, one of the arguments for Art is that the T is supposedly clearly audible, but then it's also claimed that "Arn" is possible. (Even if it were "Art", I think "Arn" is much less likely. It's a much less common nickname, imo). So which is it? Audible T or no T? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I am unable to make out the consonant fully at all. I think it's a "T" and don't at all believe it's an "N"; I merely suggested "Arn" as an attempt at compromise. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::K, well, if nobody seems to think it's Arn, I think the footnote is better with just Art. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 01:18, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Jay, you're hearing the "T" in Stockton and attaching it to the first word. It's '''on'''. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:19, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Right, I'm hearing the "T" in "Stockton" ''before'' the "S". 9_9 --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Think about it from a common sense perspective. They're trying to be funny: what's funny about "Art" or "Arn" or "Ott?" Nothing. There's no punchline; even when the Brothers Chaps are random, there's some sort of punchline to it, like Homsar's nonsensical response to Strong Sad asking him if he was going to say anything in DNA Evidence. Their references are always direct, joke A to popular culture point B. Stockton makes sense as a reference to John Stockton, an NBA player; Art Stockton makes no sense, and isn't funny. I've never, ever heard anyone use "Arn" as short for Arnold, or "Ott" as short for Otto, ever. I think that if you have to stretch the logic way out and create a web of connections to justify a reference, then barring a direct mention from the Brothers Chaps in a commentary or something it shouldn't be considered a legitimate reference.
Good grief, I can't believe I'm still going on about this.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
: What's funny about "On"? I already said I believed it was "Art" and only introduced the others as potential compromises. What reference? And the punchline was most obviously the "first down" part (if not the part where the puppet is appearing ''at all''.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:59, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::As I and the anony above said already, he's talking like a referee in a football game (randomness with a punchline) assessing a technical foul against "Stockton" (Marzipan). It's very simple. Don't make things so complicated in this; like I said, the more you try to find some sort of twisted web of logic to justify an extreme reference, the less sense it will all make. The most obvious reference is probably the right one, again barring something to the contrary from the creators.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::In what way am I making this complicated? I'm simply saying that what I hear is closer to "Art" than "On" and I don't see how making it "On" makes it any funnier as you previously said. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I agree with Big Dog. He's saying "on Stockton." As I said before, I think you're all hearing the echo and it's muffling what's actually being said. For the referee to say "Art Stockton" doesn't make any sense, even when it comes to TBC being random. [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 06:56, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Sure it does. Think of it this way, what if he said "False start, Larry Smith, five yard penalty"? would you say that that made so sense? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, that does make sense, but like I said, Homestar's playing basketball (even if he pronounced it weird), and John Stockton is the most famous "Stockton" to ever play basketball. That being said, to say "Art Stockton" doesn't make any sense at all, even for TBC. I just don't see how anyone could think it's anything other than the referee assessing the foul "'''on''' Stockton." [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 19:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::It makes every bit as much sense as [[Happy Hallow-Day|every]] [[Cool Things|other]] [[cheat talk|time]] TBC randomly mention the name of a character who doesn't exist, so yeah, this fits with TBC's style entirely. Anyway, the argument's pretty moot by now. You've already essentially won. The transcript says "On", which it did not do when this topic was created. The footnote is there to show that there is a disagreement. Removing the footnote would show that the people who originally argued for the footnote's point have recanted — which is obviously not the case. This is this Wiki's standard. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, there's no footnote in Jibblies 2, even though the arguers didn't recant. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.34|132.183.138.34]] 20:01, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::To add to the counterargument, your claim that "it makes no sense because he's playing basketball" actually goes to support our side... the whole sentence is supposed to not make sense. I mean, have you ever seen anyone get a first down in basketball? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Which is the entire point, which is why "Technical foul, on Stockton" is what he said. He's a referee, calling a foul, albeit in a football-ref style with a football penalty. Which is the entire joke. Can we please vote on this and get it over with? I think this rivals "gamble/gambol" for most inane debate ever on this wiki.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Voting has never really been Wiki policy outside of the now-decommissioned STUFF (which this wouldn't fall under anyway). And I reiterate: if nothing changes from how it is now (as opposed to when the debate started), you win this debate. So you asking to vote comes off as nothing more than attempting to hide that there ''is'' a debate. (After all, the "gambol" footnote is still on [[Senorial Day]], is it not?) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:For whatever it matters at this late point in the debate, I hear "on". My theory as to why people hear "art": Homestar uses a rather gravelly voice which makes the "n" sound more articulated than it really is. Maybe? Just a thought. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::As a football referee, "Art" makes just as much sense. The "on" would be implicit, and the foul is on "Art Stockton". If "False start, Larry Smith, five yard penalty" makes sense, then so does this. Or i'll make it even clearer. If "Technical foul, Larry Smith, first down!" makes sense, so does this. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 10:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::The thing is, though, foot ball refs give penalties in the format of "(Foul), '''Number (jersey number)''', Offense/Defense, (penalty)." They do not say "(foul), '''(player name)''', (penalty)." So if you want to talk about what makes sense, neither "on" nor "Art" make sense. Also, it should be noted that no one named Art Stockton ever played basketball in anything above high school. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 02:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== "Visible Seam" in goofs? ==

I don't see the visible seam on my screen, no matter how much I zoom in. It's possible that it's just my monitor, so I'm not going to erase that entry or anything, but I just thought I'd bring that up. Does anyone else see it in the current version of the toon? Maybe it's a fixed goof? --[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:It has been fixed. I didn't see it, so I changed the section to "Fixed Goofs" and reworded it. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 22:35, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::It hasn't been fixed because it was never broken. It is simply untrue. I have removed it. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:43, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== Inside references. ==

Does this toon somehow contribute to the idea of Homestar wearing long pants?

The big shoes he held up go over his foot to where his ankles would be, but his shoe puppets only flapped like sandal soles with inlays for tongues.

== That's a lot of emails ==
I'm not sure if this is more notable here or in [[Hremail 7]], if it's notable at all, but if this the two emails' numbering is taken at face value and Homestar was supposed to have checked 1,993 emails between 2001 and 2009 (assuming this email isn't taking place "in the future", which there's no evidence of) he'd having to be checking on average somewhere between four and five emails a week over the course of eight years. Anyone think this is worth noting anywhere? - [[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 21:41, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
: The thing is, the numbering is intentionally wonking. There is no evidence he checked any emails besides the ones we have seen.

Talk:Hremail 2000

Origonalname — Sat, 23 May 2009 21:42:31 GMT

Origonalname: /* Shadow Homestar */

==Dipped in ink==
Could the claim in the Easter egg that Shadow Homestar was "dipped in a vat of ink" be a reference to the ending montage of [[dangeresque 3]], where the silhouette of [[Killingyouguy]] was shown to be made by painting Strong Mad in black? It's what came first to my mind, anyway... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 09:22, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:Mine too.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 14:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:: Oh most definitely. Should there be a page for shadow Homestar, or at least a part of the chacter variation page for hime? He seems like a pretty important duplicate.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 21:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::[[Shadow Homestar Runner]]. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 22:58, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I don't really think the page is neccesary (Hope I spelled that right). It should be under Homestar's variations because that is practically him.---{{User:Record307/sig}} 02:17, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::The guy above me is right. Shadow Homestar is merely a slight variation of Homestar. But, Shadow Homestar could come back, and end up just like Homsar.

== Shadow Homestar ==
Isn't this a reference to "Shadow Link" in the Legend of Zelda games? We all know TBC are big fans, so possibilities?
--[[User:Lustmyeyes|lustmyeyes <3]] 10:41, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:I think lots of video game characters have "shadow" or "dark" versions of themselves, it's quite common, from what I can tell. --[[User:That crazy DumDe!|DumDe]] 16:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::I wish, but the easter egg seems to be referencing the [[Street Fighter]] series. {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 16:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Mortal Kombat as well. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Since the whole scene is a parody of Mortal Kombat, I kinda think the Noob Saibot line holds some water. Another "ambiguous reference" about the ubiquitousness of "shadow" characters may also be appropriate. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 01:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::For what it's worth, the original "Prince of Persia" was almost certainly the first game to have such a "shadow" opponent... predates Mortal Kombat by 3 years. --[[User:dmz|dmz]] 08:30, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::I think we're best off with the ambiguous reference, like we already have on the page, though i wouldn't mind a nod to noob in the same line, since it IS mortal kombat after all. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Frankly, I'm against any reference at all to Noob Saibot - he wasn't all-black, just gray, and he didn't copy the moves of any character in particular. In his initial appearance, there were MULTIPLE characters that looked like him aside from the color scheme. If it's got anything at all to do with Mortal Kombat, it's almost certainly the mirror matches that were in the original game. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:04, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:It's Jung! Carl Jung! The shadow self represents our insecurities, the elements of our psyche we repress! To do battle with the shadow self is to cease projecting these qualities onto others and acknowledge them in our self! -SFC
:: What the crap? What are you talking/spamming about? Okay, Mr. Preacher, could you keep your ramblings to yourself or would you care to explain what you mean? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::: Jungian psychology describes the archetype (the common form present in everyone's understanding of the world) of the shadow self. The shadow self is, as I said, the part of ourself we don't consciously recognise - not necessarily the 'bad' parts, but the parts we don't think of as really 'us'. Part of psychological development, in this model, is acknowledging these elements - engaging with the shadow self, 'doing battle with it', and merging with it to form a more complete, healthy being. So, basically, Jung attributes to this root cause all the mythical examples of shadow selves - and his work predates video games, naturally. -SFC
::::You guys are getting a bit out of hand here. Jung? All I think is that it is similar to shadow link, and nowhere near as important as you guys are saying it is. This is like the Homsar laugh thing from the Career Day discussion all over again![[User:Origonalname]]]

== Multiples again? ==
It should probably be noted that this is another instance of [[duplicate characters]], both with the 3rd Homestar leg (which is obviously not part of homestar when he's shown on the basketball court) and possibly also because of the Shadow Homestar. [[Special:Contributions/72.70.158.239|72.70.158.239]] 13:56, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:'''Agree'''. Yeah we should probably note the third leg.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 14:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Done.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 19:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Except the three leg thing has really nothing to do with "shadow Homestar"... --[[Special:Contributions/71.58.29.180|71.58.29.180]] 23:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::::No one said it did... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:52, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

==Homestar's Arms==
I'm no master at editing wikis, so I think I'll just mention it here. There should probably be something about how Homestar holds a big sock, then a big shoe, then a bigger sock, and then a bigger shoe, more than someone could hold with two hands (as he lifts them up seperately, and they don't move afterwards).
:There is a place to do that. I'll try to find it for consistancy. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 17:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Try going [[invisible arms|here]]. I also added a remark on the article. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 17:51, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, does anyone else think the Chaps are doing this on purpose now? I notice the whole "doing-things-that-would-require-more-than-two-arms" controversy has seemed to heighten somewhat on this wiki lately, so are they just adding fuel to the fire? Do they ''enjoy'' making those who try to find at least some level of vague sense-make in the cartoon squirm uncomfortably in their seats? (Not that I'm one of those people, I'm just sayin'. It's a weird co-weenky-dink.) [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I believe one of their commentaries mentioned the wiki, so they definitely know what goes on here. Probably amused their dumb little animal cartoon is causing so much silly bantering. My take is it's, 'relax, it's just a cartoon." And giant hands. Just because they're invisible doesn't mean they have to be normal sized!
:::::He holds them up individually, so unless he has REALLY big fingers..... -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:26, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

What if he has one arm, holds an item, uses the other arm to put an item in his first arm, takes the second arm, puts the item in the first arm (this part would be hard, but not entirely impossible) and then holds the last item in the second arm (optionally, he could take the third item and transfer it back to the second)
:Yeah, it is actually possible to manipulate your fingers in a way where you can hold all four items at once, especially considering how light even giant socks are.

== Dream ==
When marzipan says that "the whole last season was just a dream", could this be a reference to the infamous ending of the Sopranos Tv series?
:This is the fourth suggestion so far as to what show it's referring to. I think that pretty much makes it something that can't be pinned to any one thing. The other three are Roseanne, Dallas, and Newhart, as seen when i removed them [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Hremail_2000&diff=627207&oldid=627205&rcid=586009 here]. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:44, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Dallas did it first and is most famous for it. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 21:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::The show Newhart is arguably the most famous as making the ''entire show'' was a dream in his earlier show. But I don't want to get into an argument about which is "more famous", because if one is mentioned, they all need to be. The best way is to make an ambiguous reference. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:33, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
There's a big controversy on how to include a remark about how "the entire last season was a dream." Why not just add a non-specific reference like; "Several prime-time shows have revealed in the season's last episode that the entire season had merely been a dream."? I'm not good at writing these things though, but i'm sure someone could make it sound very good and succinct. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:01, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:Why hasn't anyone else thought of this? Nice idea. -Nonuser mster24
::I'll take a shot at it. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, it's up. Wasn't sure whether to put it in Explanations or Real-World References, but if I've erred someone can move it. I tried to word it as succinctly as I could, but of course if someone can reword it better, go for it. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:13, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Great summary, that's better than I could have put it. However, I believe that it belongs under Real-World references as it really isn't explaining anything rather than mention something said is referring to a real-life show(s). -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:29, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Actually, general references to culture rather than references to something specific go in explanations. it's in the right place. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::I almost changed it, but realized the same thing trying to rephrase it. I like it where it is. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::There has only been one show where they had an entire season which was a dream. That was Dallas. This is a direct, complete reference to Dallas. -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]]
:::-as opposed to NEWHART which was only 8 seasons dreamed up. If I do my math right, NEWHART is 800% more direct than Dallas. My point is, there's more than one show which did that and we have the reference already in the article. We appreciate your input, but this has been discussed. Please see above. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 22:32, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Well, not necessarily. One could argue that, by the "math" of the transitive <strike>butt</strike> gimmick property, Dallas: 1 season = 100% direct reference by what Marzi said, whereas Newhart: 1 series/8 seasons = 0% direct reference by what Marzi said. And as much as love Bob Newhart, I really think Dallas is the most likely reference (this coming from someone who hasn't even seen Dallas, but is just familiar with certain famous attributes, this being one of them). Having said that, though, I don't think there's a strong enough case to put that specific one in the article, so I don't think there's any other way to do it, no matter how much I hate general, ambiguous references (I usually don't find 'em very useful). (Though I do maintain that Dallas did it first, in the 85-86 season (Newhart ended in 1990), and that they've referenced Dallas at least once in the past, with the [[Caleb Rentpayer]] thing.) -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 22:47, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::The Trope link, on the other hand, makes a general reference much more useful. Anonny satisfied! -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 23:27, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::First of all, it would be 800% AS direct, not 800% more direct. Secondly Newhart presumes the entire series was a dream (and entirely for comedic effect, not even pretending to be realistic). If marzipan had said the entire series was a dream, then it would make sense. Dallas is the only series to have had a "Dream Season" which is what Marzipan says -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]]
:::::The only point I was proving is that Dallas is not the only show that has done it (while Dallas may have been first). All I is saying is that it shouldn't be a specific reference. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Since when is TV Tropes Wiki a reliable source for anything? -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 19:36, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Since TBC started making reference to TV tropes... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:38, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Show me where they did this. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 00:46, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, there's two of them in this very toon, and tons of others all over the place. they spoof pop culture a lot. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:50, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Oh. I thought you meant they referenced the TV Tropes website itself, in which case a link would be appropriate. As it is I don't see why the links shouldn't be replaced with Wikipedia articles that explain the concepts. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]]
::::::::::::Because tropes does a better job at documenting and describing them, and is more specific. that's why. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:06, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::True as that may be, that's not my point. Maybe I wasn't being clear enough. My point in my original edit was that I don't see how TV Tropes is a reliable source. I mean, Wikipedia's not perfect, but I'd take it over a site that openly says it has few standards and is mostly for fun any day. I mean, yeah, it's kinda entertaining sometimes, and I get the feeling some people are actually trying provide objective information about common plot devices and media conventions, after visiting that site for nearly two years I get the impression that a large chunk of the contributors are more concerned with informing everyone that Doctor Who/Avatar The Last Airbender/Discworld/some furry webcomic is awesome and every other piece of fiction ever written is crap. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 02:16, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:Other shows have done it, but Dallas is arguably the most well-known, especially given the Brothers Chaps' ages. Not to mention, that website doesn't even mention it, just a bunch of anime references...I don't know if it's really what fits in here.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 13:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::To elaborate, the Newhart ending was itself a parody of the tendency of 80s TV shows to turn to the "it was all a dream" copout to throw away story elements they didn't like, resurrect characters, move the show to Jupiter, etc. That ending is also widely regarded as one of the best moments in TV history. In contrast, there was a lot of aggravation that Dallas decided to just throw away an entire season's worth of story as just being a dream, which Marzipan's annoyance definitely alludes to. Frankly, I think the mathematically questionable attempts to say that it refers to this or that ought to give way to what folks older than 20 or so will recognize as a clear Dallas reference.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 13:20, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Just how does TV Tropes do "a better job at documenting and describing [concepts]" than this very wiki? To me, that website is the very definition of ""[[unnatural|an organized forum for people to shout out their ideas all at the same time]]": it's a complete mess of potentially interesting information, which overwhelms the reader due to a complete lack of standards and formatting. You claim that we should make ANY specific references to any examples of "dream seasons" (what's wrong with mentioning just two or three extremely well-known examples?), yet then link to some website that attempts to list every single use of dreams in all the films, TV programmes, anime, manga and video games that it can think of? Do we really need to pass the buck this badly? Instead, we should all take a look at a similar problem that happened a while ago with [[bottom 10]]; the problem involved "songs that try to pass off la la's, na na's, and doot do's as legit lyrics". There are a million songs this statement could be referencing, so it was decided that we would only make three well-known references and leave it at that. A similar solution should be taken with this article; we add a sentence to the fact along the lines of "Notable example of 'dream seasons' include Dallas, Newhart and Roseanne," and an invisble comment asking people not to make any more references. It might be OK to keep the link to TV Tropes if enough people want to, but at least don't leave our explaination of the concept as it is. It just looks terribly generic and wishy-washy unless the link is followed. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:I'd forgotten about ''Roseanne''. ''Dallas'' is the only example I find where the writers wrote themselves into a corner and out of desperation wiped out the whole season. I would not support listing ''Newhart'', as that final episode wiped out the entire ''series'' and was played for laughs. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
It just occurred to me that I forgot to add an alternative to the Tropes link, so it looks like I'm complaining instead of trying to improve the article. Sorry about that. For the record, I think that a general explanation of the concept with one or two references to the most popular examples, like what somebody suggested above, would suffice. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]]

Can we just add at the end of the reference a couple of examples? Just make it "Marzipan's remark that the entire last season was just a dream refers to a gimmick employed by several television series in which such a revelation is made, usually in the last episode of that season, in series such as ''Dallas'' or ''Roseanne''." I think it would make the reference better, while still leaving it open ended. --[[User:Zonis|Zonis]] 03:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Homestar's Shoes? ==

Think it should be noted somewheres that Homestar's feet/shoes act like (and are referred to as) shoes in this toon? As far as I know, there's been a dispute over whether Homestar wears shoes or not, and this, especially the puppet show, could possibly confirm that he does.-Nonuser mster24
:Or that he doesn't. Note the fact that in that one closeup, his supposed "shoes" have those gnarly wart-looking things and his leg region is shown to have hair, despite the fact that there's no clear boundary between his "shoes/feet" and his legs. Just another wrench in the works-of-clearing-up-ambiguity is my guess. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Either way, we include references to his shoes on [[Homestar Runner's Pants]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:12, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

== Foot Pelts ==
Is this easter egg another instance of [[Strong Sad]]'s implied [[death]]? [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 00:03, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Implied amputation isn't implied death. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::It could go here though -> [[Severed Body Parts]] -02:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Why not? In [[modeling]], Strong Sad informs Strong Bad that poachers have been after his feet.
:: No, no, no, no, no! You people misintuprited this. Strong Bad is walking around in "someone else's slighty larger foot pelts", and he likes the feeling of it. In [[diorama]], it was revealed that Strong Sad wore Dr. Soolnd's Medicated Shoes, so those might not even be his feet, but his "slighty larger foot pelts" that Homestar mentioned. He is wearing Strong Sa's SHOES! At least, that's my inturpritation of the joke. Oh well, maybe not... --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
== Cow Clips ==

The "Cow Clips" Homestar uses on his shoes are Binder Clips, also known as Bulldog Clips.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binder_clip --[[User:Zonis|Zonis]] 19:49, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:The transcript already calls them binder clips. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::It's easy to see how someone could go from "bulldog clips" to "cow clips", but to me, it just seemed like some random association Homestar was making. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:14 6 Feb 2009}}

== Swiss-ness ==

"swiss miss" is a brand of hot cocoa and other food-esque items. to be included in real-world references? --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman (Neumannz)]] 20:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:And [[Wikipedia:Swiss Miss (disambiguation)|many other things]] as well. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:44, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

== Missle vs. Missal ==

When Homestar says "today's missle," I think he is actually saying "Today's Missal," a publication found at nearly every Catholic church. See: http://www.ocp.org/products/tm Also see the Wikipedia article on Missal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missal
Should this be included in explanations or maybe real-world references?
:It's a [[malapropism]] for "missive". "Missile" has the benefit of being one letter off. "Missal" does not. The pronunciation is the same. I say "missile" is fine. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:I think "missal". Mostly because both are written materials, a much more closely related semantic field than "missile" would be. (Although, one could make the argument that Homestar misread a teleprompter or queue card).
::In [[senorial day]] when there was a homonym debate, we put a footnote. -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.17|128.103.10.17]] 03:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::That was a stretch, this is a bigger one. There's no reason to throw in an uncommon term like missal when the common term will suffice. Barring some sort of direct mention to the contrary by the Brothers Chaps, I don't see how a footnote would be necessary.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:57, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::As I stated above, at least missive and missal share the common semantic domain of written documents, whereas missile does not. And considering that TBC do have some Catholic roots to them, it's very likely that they could have meant missal. I do not think you can simply dismiss one over the other without some solid rationale for doing so. At the very least, "missal" could be added parenthetically. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:02 6 Feb 2009}}
::::*Also, this is further complicated by the possibility that this is a portmanteau of "missive" and "epistle". {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:09 6 Feb 2009}}
::::To be extremely nitpicky, they're homo''phones''. If they were homonyms, we wouldn't be having this discussion. ;) I stick with "missile", but a large part of that is the fact that I had never heard of the word "missal" before this conversation. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:28, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Long Pants ==

Remember when Strong Bad asserted that Homestar "simply has blue soles glued to the bottom of his feet"? Should that be mentioned?
:Since they don't mention it in this toon, I don't see why it should be mentioned in the wiki. Also, this toon clearly indicates that Homestar is wearing shoes, since he mentions them by their brand name, and he shows a couple of larger versions of the same shoes.--[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Power forward ==

Why isn't [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_forward_(basketball) power forward] explained? [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 23:01, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:Who knows? Feel free to add it if you'd like. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 23:07, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::I added the explanation, and I also explained what it means to "post up" and I clarified "in the paint" a bit, but I'm sure what I wrote could be worded better. By the way, this is my first time editing. [[User:Willstar|Willstar]] 05:15, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

== Art Stockton ==

I hear "Technical foul ''on'' Stockton", not "Art Stockton". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:I would agree that that makes SLIGHTLY more sense, however, the "T" is clearly audible. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:26, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::it makes entirely more sense. In that "On Stockton" makes sense, and "Art Stockton" doesn't. Also, that "clearly audilbe T" isn't. I hear "on" every time.[[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 21:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Is it "Art"? I think so, but I'm not 100% sure. What I ''am'' 100% sure of is that it is ''not'' "On". And even if it was, who puts the stress on a preposition? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Oh, and one more thing. "Art" makes ''exactly'' as much sense as "Stockton" in this context — it's short for "Arthur". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Definitely "Art Stockton" rather than "on".
::::After cramming my left ear up to my computer speaker and listening to it like 7 times, I deduced that it's "on Stockton." {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 03:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::I hear on, myself. -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.17|128.103.10.17]] 03:50, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Sounds like on to me, he's just talking like a referee.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Just listened to it again. I don't know how on earth someone could interpret that as "Art." It's clearly "on." There's not even Homestar's usually twisted version of R present, let alone a T sound. Short O is something Homestar is not known for having trouble with, and that's clearly what he's saying. Might want to clean the wax out, guys.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::No, it's clearly "Art." Try turning the volume up on your speakers or something. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:07 6 Feb 2009}}
::::::::Uncertain on how clear the "T" is, but a) it sounds ''exactly'' like when Homestar attempts an "R" (or "awr"), b) there isn't a clear "N" either, and c) I re-stress the stress. If it was "On", one would think the stress would be on "Stockton", but it isn't; it's on that first word. If one was to say (as though it were a name) "Art Stockton", the stress would more likely be on "Art". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Other possibilities, BTW, include "Arn" (short for "Arnold") or "Ott" (short for "Otto"). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: Ok, although I've clearly heard "on Stockton" every time, I went ahead and sampled that part of the toon and slowed it way down in Audacity. I think it makes it very clear that he's saying "On Stockton." Here's a link to the mp3 so you can hear it yourself and decide: [http://www.efn.org/~jbl/hsr/stockton.mp3] --[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:48, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: He's saying it funny because he's talking like a referee would in such a situation. "This action...on XX...this penalty!" No offense to anyone, but I think you're crazy if you're hearing "Art." There's nothing even vaguely resembling it there, nor does it make any sense in that context in a way that would lead to a punchline.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 22:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::He's clearly saying "'''on''' Stockton," because he's assessing the foul ''on'' Stockton. Perhaps you're hearing "Art" or "Arn" because of the echo. And for that matter, the most well-known player named Stockton to ever play basketball was ''John'' Stockton. [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 09:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Still doesn't sound like "on" to me. Besides, who said he's referring to a basketball player? Homestar's playing "baskeeball". Which, apparently, uses first downs. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:48, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm seeing what looks like consensus here. Suggest removing the extraneous footnote. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 23:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
: What consensus are you seeing? The footnote stays. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:45, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
::Agreed... this isn't consensus... and he doesn't say "on". {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, it seems like <strike>two</strike> three people think it's Art and a lot more think it's on (.. and it is), which is more of a consensus than cases that have been called consensus before. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::And by a lot I mean, like, 7 or so... -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:46, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think you need to learn the not-so-subtle difference between consensus and a vote. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:52, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::The difference is consensus is what's accepted here and vote is not. Talking about prior cases on the wiki would never refer to a vote, unless STUFF is involved. And to address a separate issue, one of the arguments for Art is that the T is supposedly clearly audible, but then it's also claimed that "Arn" is possible. (Even if it were "Art", I think "Arn" is much less likely. It's a much less common nickname, imo). So which is it? Audible T or no T? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I am unable to make out the consonant fully at all. I think it's a "T" and don't at all believe it's an "N"; I merely suggested "Arn" as an attempt at compromise. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::K, well, if nobody seems to think it's Arn, I think the footnote is better with just Art. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 01:18, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Jay, you're hearing the "T" in Stockton and attaching it to the first word. It's '''on'''. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:19, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Right, I'm hearing the "T" in "Stockton" ''before'' the "S". 9_9 --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Think about it from a common sense perspective. They're trying to be funny: what's funny about "Art" or "Arn" or "Ott?" Nothing. There's no punchline; even when the Brothers Chaps are random, there's some sort of punchline to it, like Homsar's nonsensical response to Strong Sad asking him if he was going to say anything in DNA Evidence. Their references are always direct, joke A to popular culture point B. Stockton makes sense as a reference to John Stockton, an NBA player; Art Stockton makes no sense, and isn't funny. I've never, ever heard anyone use "Arn" as short for Arnold, or "Ott" as short for Otto, ever. I think that if you have to stretch the logic way out and create a web of connections to justify a reference, then barring a direct mention from the Brothers Chaps in a commentary or something it shouldn't be considered a legitimate reference.
Good grief, I can't believe I'm still going on about this.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
: What's funny about "On"? I already said I believed it was "Art" and only introduced the others as potential compromises. What reference? And the punchline was most obviously the "first down" part (if not the part where the puppet is appearing ''at all''.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:59, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::As I and the anony above said already, he's talking like a referee in a football game (randomness with a punchline) assessing a technical foul against "Stockton" (Marzipan). It's very simple. Don't make things so complicated in this; like I said, the more you try to find some sort of twisted web of logic to justify an extreme reference, the less sense it will all make. The most obvious reference is probably the right one, again barring something to the contrary from the creators.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::In what way am I making this complicated? I'm simply saying that what I hear is closer to "Art" than "On" and I don't see how making it "On" makes it any funnier as you previously said. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I agree with Big Dog. He's saying "on Stockton." As I said before, I think you're all hearing the echo and it's muffling what's actually being said. For the referee to say "Art Stockton" doesn't make any sense, even when it comes to TBC being random. [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 06:56, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Sure it does. Think of it this way, what if he said "False start, Larry Smith, five yard penalty"? would you say that that made so sense? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, that does make sense, but like I said, Homestar's playing basketball (even if he pronounced it weird), and John Stockton is the most famous "Stockton" to ever play basketball. That being said, to say "Art Stockton" doesn't make any sense at all, even for TBC. I just don't see how anyone could think it's anything other than the referee assessing the foul "'''on''' Stockton." [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 19:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::It makes every bit as much sense as [[Happy Hallow-Day|every]] [[Cool Things|other]] [[cheat talk|time]] TBC randomly mention the name of a character who doesn't exist, so yeah, this fits with TBC's style entirely. Anyway, the argument's pretty moot by now. You've already essentially won. The transcript says "On", which it did not do when this topic was created. The footnote is there to show that there is a disagreement. Removing the footnote would show that the people who originally argued for the footnote's point have recanted — which is obviously not the case. This is this Wiki's standard. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, there's no footnote in Jibblies 2, even though the arguers didn't recant. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.34|132.183.138.34]] 20:01, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::To add to the counterargument, your claim that "it makes no sense because he's playing basketball" actually goes to support our side... the whole sentence is supposed to not make sense. I mean, have you ever seen anyone get a first down in basketball? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Which is the entire point, which is why "Technical foul, on Stockton" is what he said. He's a referee, calling a foul, albeit in a football-ref style with a football penalty. Which is the entire joke. Can we please vote on this and get it over with? I think this rivals "gamble/gambol" for most inane debate ever on this wiki.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Voting has never really been Wiki policy outside of the now-decommissioned STUFF (which this wouldn't fall under anyway). And I reiterate: if nothing changes from how it is now (as opposed to when the debate started), you win this debate. So you asking to vote comes off as nothing more than attempting to hide that there ''is'' a debate. (After all, the "gambol" footnote is still on [[Senorial Day]], is it not?) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:For whatever it matters at this late point in the debate, I hear "on". My theory as to why people hear "art": Homestar uses a rather gravelly voice which makes the "n" sound more articulated than it really is. Maybe? Just a thought. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::As a football referee, "Art" makes just as much sense. The "on" would be implicit, and the foul is on "Art Stockton". If "False start, Larry Smith, five yard penalty" makes sense, then so does this. Or i'll make it even clearer. If "Technical foul, Larry Smith, first down!" makes sense, so does this. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 10:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::The thing is, though, foot ball refs give penalties in the format of "(Foul), '''Number (jersey number)''', Offense/Defense, (penalty)." They do not say "(foul), '''(player name)''', (penalty)." So if you want to talk about what makes sense, neither "on" nor "Art" make sense. Also, it should be noted that no one named Art Stockton ever played basketball in anything above high school. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 02:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== "Visible Seam" in goofs? ==

I don't see the visible seam on my screen, no matter how much I zoom in. It's possible that it's just my monitor, so I'm not going to erase that entry or anything, but I just thought I'd bring that up. Does anyone else see it in the current version of the toon? Maybe it's a fixed goof? --[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:It has been fixed. I didn't see it, so I changed the section to "Fixed Goofs" and reworded it. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 22:35, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::It hasn't been fixed because it was never broken. It is simply untrue. I have removed it. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:43, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== Inside references. ==

Does this toon somehow contribute to the idea of Homestar wearing long pants?

The big shoes he held up go over his foot to where his ankles would be, but his shoe puppets only flapped like sandal soles with inlays for tongues.

== That's a lot of emails ==
I'm not sure if this is more notable here or in [[Hremail 7]], if it's notable at all, but if this the two emails' numbering is taken at face value and Homestar was supposed to have checked 1,993 emails between 2001 and 2009 (assuming this email isn't taking place "in the future", which there's no evidence of) he'd having to be checking on average somewhere between four and five emails a week over the course of eight years. Anyone think this is worth noting anywhere? - [[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 21:41, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
: The thing is, the numbering is intentionally wonking. There is no evidence he checked any emails besides the ones we have seen.

Talk:Hremail 2000

Origonalname — Sat, 23 May 2009 21:41:44 GMT

Origonalname: /* Shadow Homestar */

==Dipped in ink==
Could the claim in the Easter egg that Shadow Homestar was "dipped in a vat of ink" be a reference to the ending montage of [[dangeresque 3]], where the silhouette of [[Killingyouguy]] was shown to be made by painting Strong Mad in black? It's what came first to my mind, anyway... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 09:22, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:Mine too.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 14:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:: Oh most definitely. Should there be a page for shadow Homestar, or at least a part of the chacter variation page for hime? He seems like a pretty important duplicate.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 21:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::[[Shadow Homestar Runner]]. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 22:58, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I don't really think the page is neccesary (Hope I spelled that right). It should be under Homestar's variations because that is practically him.---{{User:Record307/sig}} 02:17, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::The guy above me is right. Shadow Homestar is merely a slight variation of Homestar. But, Shadow Homestar could come back, and end up just like Homsar.

== Shadow Homestar ==
Isn't this a reference to "Shadow Link" in the Legend of Zelda games? We all know TBC are big fans, so possibilities?
--[[User:Lustmyeyes|lustmyeyes <3]] 10:41, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:I think lots of video game characters have "shadow" or "dark" versions of themselves, it's quite common, from what I can tell. --[[User:That crazy DumDe!|DumDe]] 16:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::I wish, but the easter egg seems to be referencing the [[Street Fighter]] series. {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 16:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Mortal Kombat as well. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Since the whole scene is a parody of Mortal Kombat, I kinda think the Noob Saibot line holds some water. Another "ambiguous reference" about the ubiquitousness of "shadow" characters may also be appropriate. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 01:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::For what it's worth, the original "Prince of Persia" was almost certainly the first game to have such a "shadow" opponent... predates Mortal Kombat by 3 years. --[[User:dmz|dmz]] 08:30, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::I think we're best off with the ambiguous reference, like we already have on the page, though i wouldn't mind a nod to noob in the same line, since it IS mortal kombat after all. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Frankly, I'm against any reference at all to Noob Saibot - he wasn't all-black, just gray, and he didn't copy the moves of any character in particular. In his initial appearance, there were MULTIPLE characters that looked like him aside from the color scheme. If it's got anything at all to do with Mortal Kombat, it's almost certainly the mirror matches that were in the original game. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:04, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:It's Jung! Carl Jung! The shadow self represents our insecurities, the elements of our psyche we repress! To do battle with the shadow self is to cease projecting these qualities onto others and acknowledge them in our self! -SFC
:: What the crap? What are you talking/spamming about? Okay, Mr. Preacher, could you keep your ramblings to yourself or would you care to explain what you mean? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::: Jungian psychology describes the archetype (the common form present in everyone's understanding of the world) of the shadow self. The shadow self is, as I said, the part of ourself we don't consciously recognise - not necessarily the 'bad' parts, but the parts we don't think of as really 'us'. Part of psychological development, in this model, is acknowledging these elements - engaging with the shadow self, 'doing battle with it', and merging with it to form a more complete, healthy being. So, basically, Jung attributes to this root cause all the mythical examples of shadow selves - and his work predates video games, naturally. -SFC
::::You guys are getting a bit out of hand here. Jung? All I think is that it is similar to shadow link, and nowhere near as important as you guys are saying it is. This is like the Homsar laugh thing from the Career Day discussion all over again!

== Multiples again? ==
It should probably be noted that this is another instance of [[duplicate characters]], both with the 3rd Homestar leg (which is obviously not part of homestar when he's shown on the basketball court) and possibly also because of the Shadow Homestar. [[Special:Contributions/72.70.158.239|72.70.158.239]] 13:56, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:'''Agree'''. Yeah we should probably note the third leg.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 14:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Done.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 19:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Except the three leg thing has really nothing to do with "shadow Homestar"... --[[Special:Contributions/71.58.29.180|71.58.29.180]] 23:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::::No one said it did... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:52, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

==Homestar's Arms==
I'm no master at editing wikis, so I think I'll just mention it here. There should probably be something about how Homestar holds a big sock, then a big shoe, then a bigger sock, and then a bigger shoe, more than someone could hold with two hands (as he lifts them up seperately, and they don't move afterwards).
:There is a place to do that. I'll try to find it for consistancy. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 17:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Try going [[invisible arms|here]]. I also added a remark on the article. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 17:51, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, does anyone else think the Chaps are doing this on purpose now? I notice the whole "doing-things-that-would-require-more-than-two-arms" controversy has seemed to heighten somewhat on this wiki lately, so are they just adding fuel to the fire? Do they ''enjoy'' making those who try to find at least some level of vague sense-make in the cartoon squirm uncomfortably in their seats? (Not that I'm one of those people, I'm just sayin'. It's a weird co-weenky-dink.) [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I believe one of their commentaries mentioned the wiki, so they definitely know what goes on here. Probably amused their dumb little animal cartoon is causing so much silly bantering. My take is it's, 'relax, it's just a cartoon." And giant hands. Just because they're invisible doesn't mean they have to be normal sized!
:::::He holds them up individually, so unless he has REALLY big fingers..... -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:26, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

What if he has one arm, holds an item, uses the other arm to put an item in his first arm, takes the second arm, puts the item in the first arm (this part would be hard, but not entirely impossible) and then holds the last item in the second arm (optionally, he could take the third item and transfer it back to the second)
:Yeah, it is actually possible to manipulate your fingers in a way where you can hold all four items at once, especially considering how light even giant socks are.

== Dream ==
When marzipan says that "the whole last season was just a dream", could this be a reference to the infamous ending of the Sopranos Tv series?
:This is the fourth suggestion so far as to what show it's referring to. I think that pretty much makes it something that can't be pinned to any one thing. The other three are Roseanne, Dallas, and Newhart, as seen when i removed them [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Hremail_2000&diff=627207&oldid=627205&rcid=586009 here]. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:44, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Dallas did it first and is most famous for it. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 21:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::The show Newhart is arguably the most famous as making the ''entire show'' was a dream in his earlier show. But I don't want to get into an argument about which is "more famous", because if one is mentioned, they all need to be. The best way is to make an ambiguous reference. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:33, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
There's a big controversy on how to include a remark about how "the entire last season was a dream." Why not just add a non-specific reference like; "Several prime-time shows have revealed in the season's last episode that the entire season had merely been a dream."? I'm not good at writing these things though, but i'm sure someone could make it sound very good and succinct. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:01, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:Why hasn't anyone else thought of this? Nice idea. -Nonuser mster24
::I'll take a shot at it. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, it's up. Wasn't sure whether to put it in Explanations or Real-World References, but if I've erred someone can move it. I tried to word it as succinctly as I could, but of course if someone can reword it better, go for it. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:13, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Great summary, that's better than I could have put it. However, I believe that it belongs under Real-World references as it really isn't explaining anything rather than mention something said is referring to a real-life show(s). -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:29, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Actually, general references to culture rather than references to something specific go in explanations. it's in the right place. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::I almost changed it, but realized the same thing trying to rephrase it. I like it where it is. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::There has only been one show where they had an entire season which was a dream. That was Dallas. This is a direct, complete reference to Dallas. -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]]
:::-as opposed to NEWHART which was only 8 seasons dreamed up. If I do my math right, NEWHART is 800% more direct than Dallas. My point is, there's more than one show which did that and we have the reference already in the article. We appreciate your input, but this has been discussed. Please see above. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 22:32, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Well, not necessarily. One could argue that, by the "math" of the transitive <strike>butt</strike> gimmick property, Dallas: 1 season = 100% direct reference by what Marzi said, whereas Newhart: 1 series/8 seasons = 0% direct reference by what Marzi said. And as much as love Bob Newhart, I really think Dallas is the most likely reference (this coming from someone who hasn't even seen Dallas, but is just familiar with certain famous attributes, this being one of them). Having said that, though, I don't think there's a strong enough case to put that specific one in the article, so I don't think there's any other way to do it, no matter how much I hate general, ambiguous references (I usually don't find 'em very useful). (Though I do maintain that Dallas did it first, in the 85-86 season (Newhart ended in 1990), and that they've referenced Dallas at least once in the past, with the [[Caleb Rentpayer]] thing.) -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 22:47, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::The Trope link, on the other hand, makes a general reference much more useful. Anonny satisfied! -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 23:27, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::First of all, it would be 800% AS direct, not 800% more direct. Secondly Newhart presumes the entire series was a dream (and entirely for comedic effect, not even pretending to be realistic). If marzipan had said the entire series was a dream, then it would make sense. Dallas is the only series to have had a "Dream Season" which is what Marzipan says -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]]
:::::The only point I was proving is that Dallas is not the only show that has done it (while Dallas may have been first). All I is saying is that it shouldn't be a specific reference. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Since when is TV Tropes Wiki a reliable source for anything? -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 19:36, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Since TBC started making reference to TV tropes... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:38, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Show me where they did this. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 00:46, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, there's two of them in this very toon, and tons of others all over the place. they spoof pop culture a lot. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:50, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Oh. I thought you meant they referenced the TV Tropes website itself, in which case a link would be appropriate. As it is I don't see why the links shouldn't be replaced with Wikipedia articles that explain the concepts. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]]
::::::::::::Because tropes does a better job at documenting and describing them, and is more specific. that's why. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:06, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::True as that may be, that's not my point. Maybe I wasn't being clear enough. My point in my original edit was that I don't see how TV Tropes is a reliable source. I mean, Wikipedia's not perfect, but I'd take it over a site that openly says it has few standards and is mostly for fun any day. I mean, yeah, it's kinda entertaining sometimes, and I get the feeling some people are actually trying provide objective information about common plot devices and media conventions, after visiting that site for nearly two years I get the impression that a large chunk of the contributors are more concerned with informing everyone that Doctor Who/Avatar The Last Airbender/Discworld/some furry webcomic is awesome and every other piece of fiction ever written is crap. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 02:16, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:Other shows have done it, but Dallas is arguably the most well-known, especially given the Brothers Chaps' ages. Not to mention, that website doesn't even mention it, just a bunch of anime references...I don't know if it's really what fits in here.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 13:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::To elaborate, the Newhart ending was itself a parody of the tendency of 80s TV shows to turn to the "it was all a dream" copout to throw away story elements they didn't like, resurrect characters, move the show to Jupiter, etc. That ending is also widely regarded as one of the best moments in TV history. In contrast, there was a lot of aggravation that Dallas decided to just throw away an entire season's worth of story as just being a dream, which Marzipan's annoyance definitely alludes to. Frankly, I think the mathematically questionable attempts to say that it refers to this or that ought to give way to what folks older than 20 or so will recognize as a clear Dallas reference.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 13:20, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Just how does TV Tropes do "a better job at documenting and describing [concepts]" than this very wiki? To me, that website is the very definition of ""[[unnatural|an organized forum for people to shout out their ideas all at the same time]]": it's a complete mess of potentially interesting information, which overwhelms the reader due to a complete lack of standards and formatting. You claim that we should make ANY specific references to any examples of "dream seasons" (what's wrong with mentioning just two or three extremely well-known examples?), yet then link to some website that attempts to list every single use of dreams in all the films, TV programmes, anime, manga and video games that it can think of? Do we really need to pass the buck this badly? Instead, we should all take a look at a similar problem that happened a while ago with [[bottom 10]]; the problem involved "songs that try to pass off la la's, na na's, and doot do's as legit lyrics". There are a million songs this statement could be referencing, so it was decided that we would only make three well-known references and leave it at that. A similar solution should be taken with this article; we add a sentence to the fact along the lines of "Notable example of 'dream seasons' include Dallas, Newhart and Roseanne," and an invisble comment asking people not to make any more references. It might be OK to keep the link to TV Tropes if enough people want to, but at least don't leave our explaination of the concept as it is. It just looks terribly generic and wishy-washy unless the link is followed. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:I'd forgotten about ''Roseanne''. ''Dallas'' is the only example I find where the writers wrote themselves into a corner and out of desperation wiped out the whole season. I would not support listing ''Newhart'', as that final episode wiped out the entire ''series'' and was played for laughs. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
It just occurred to me that I forgot to add an alternative to the Tropes link, so it looks like I'm complaining instead of trying to improve the article. Sorry about that. For the record, I think that a general explanation of the concept with one or two references to the most popular examples, like what somebody suggested above, would suffice. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]]

Can we just add at the end of the reference a couple of examples? Just make it "Marzipan's remark that the entire last season was just a dream refers to a gimmick employed by several television series in which such a revelation is made, usually in the last episode of that season, in series such as ''Dallas'' or ''Roseanne''." I think it would make the reference better, while still leaving it open ended. --[[User:Zonis|Zonis]] 03:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Homestar's Shoes? ==

Think it should be noted somewheres that Homestar's feet/shoes act like (and are referred to as) shoes in this toon? As far as I know, there's been a dispute over whether Homestar wears shoes or not, and this, especially the puppet show, could possibly confirm that he does.-Nonuser mster24
:Or that he doesn't. Note the fact that in that one closeup, his supposed "shoes" have those gnarly wart-looking things and his leg region is shown to have hair, despite the fact that there's no clear boundary between his "shoes/feet" and his legs. Just another wrench in the works-of-clearing-up-ambiguity is my guess. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Either way, we include references to his shoes on [[Homestar Runner's Pants]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:12, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

== Foot Pelts ==
Is this easter egg another instance of [[Strong Sad]]'s implied [[death]]? [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 00:03, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Implied amputation isn't implied death. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::It could go here though -> [[Severed Body Parts]] -02:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Why not? In [[modeling]], Strong Sad informs Strong Bad that poachers have been after his feet.
:: No, no, no, no, no! You people misintuprited this. Strong Bad is walking around in "someone else's slighty larger foot pelts", and he likes the feeling of it. In [[diorama]], it was revealed that Strong Sad wore Dr. Soolnd's Medicated Shoes, so those might not even be his feet, but his "slighty larger foot pelts" that Homestar mentioned. He is wearing Strong Sa's SHOES! At least, that's my inturpritation of the joke. Oh well, maybe not... --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
== Cow Clips ==

The "Cow Clips" Homestar uses on his shoes are Binder Clips, also known as Bulldog Clips.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binder_clip --[[User:Zonis|Zonis]] 19:49, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:The transcript already calls them binder clips. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::It's easy to see how someone could go from "bulldog clips" to "cow clips", but to me, it just seemed like some random association Homestar was making. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:14 6 Feb 2009}}

== Swiss-ness ==

"swiss miss" is a brand of hot cocoa and other food-esque items. to be included in real-world references? --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman (Neumannz)]] 20:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:And [[Wikipedia:Swiss Miss (disambiguation)|many other things]] as well. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:44, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

== Missle vs. Missal ==

When Homestar says "today's missle," I think he is actually saying "Today's Missal," a publication found at nearly every Catholic church. See: http://www.ocp.org/products/tm Also see the Wikipedia article on Missal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missal
Should this be included in explanations or maybe real-world references?
:It's a [[malapropism]] for "missive". "Missile" has the benefit of being one letter off. "Missal" does not. The pronunciation is the same. I say "missile" is fine. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:I think "missal". Mostly because both are written materials, a much more closely related semantic field than "missile" would be. (Although, one could make the argument that Homestar misread a teleprompter or queue card).
::In [[senorial day]] when there was a homonym debate, we put a footnote. -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.17|128.103.10.17]] 03:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::That was a stretch, this is a bigger one. There's no reason to throw in an uncommon term like missal when the common term will suffice. Barring some sort of direct mention to the contrary by the Brothers Chaps, I don't see how a footnote would be necessary.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:57, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::As I stated above, at least missive and missal share the common semantic domain of written documents, whereas missile does not. And considering that TBC do have some Catholic roots to them, it's very likely that they could have meant missal. I do not think you can simply dismiss one over the other without some solid rationale for doing so. At the very least, "missal" could be added parenthetically. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:02 6 Feb 2009}}
::::*Also, this is further complicated by the possibility that this is a portmanteau of "missive" and "epistle". {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:09 6 Feb 2009}}
::::To be extremely nitpicky, they're homo''phones''. If they were homonyms, we wouldn't be having this discussion. ;) I stick with "missile", but a large part of that is the fact that I had never heard of the word "missal" before this conversation. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:28, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Long Pants ==

Remember when Strong Bad asserted that Homestar "simply has blue soles glued to the bottom of his feet"? Should that be mentioned?
:Since they don't mention it in this toon, I don't see why it should be mentioned in the wiki. Also, this toon clearly indicates that Homestar is wearing shoes, since he mentions them by their brand name, and he shows a couple of larger versions of the same shoes.--[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Power forward ==

Why isn't [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_forward_(basketball) power forward] explained? [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 23:01, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:Who knows? Feel free to add it if you'd like. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 23:07, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::I added the explanation, and I also explained what it means to "post up" and I clarified "in the paint" a bit, but I'm sure what I wrote could be worded better. By the way, this is my first time editing. [[User:Willstar|Willstar]] 05:15, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

== Art Stockton ==

I hear "Technical foul ''on'' Stockton", not "Art Stockton". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:I would agree that that makes SLIGHTLY more sense, however, the "T" is clearly audible. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:26, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::it makes entirely more sense. In that "On Stockton" makes sense, and "Art Stockton" doesn't. Also, that "clearly audilbe T" isn't. I hear "on" every time.[[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 21:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Is it "Art"? I think so, but I'm not 100% sure. What I ''am'' 100% sure of is that it is ''not'' "On". And even if it was, who puts the stress on a preposition? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Oh, and one more thing. "Art" makes ''exactly'' as much sense as "Stockton" in this context — it's short for "Arthur". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Definitely "Art Stockton" rather than "on".
::::After cramming my left ear up to my computer speaker and listening to it like 7 times, I deduced that it's "on Stockton." {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 03:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::I hear on, myself. -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.17|128.103.10.17]] 03:50, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Sounds like on to me, he's just talking like a referee.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Just listened to it again. I don't know how on earth someone could interpret that as "Art." It's clearly "on." There's not even Homestar's usually twisted version of R present, let alone a T sound. Short O is something Homestar is not known for having trouble with, and that's clearly what he's saying. Might want to clean the wax out, guys.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::No, it's clearly "Art." Try turning the volume up on your speakers or something. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:07 6 Feb 2009}}
::::::::Uncertain on how clear the "T" is, but a) it sounds ''exactly'' like when Homestar attempts an "R" (or "awr"), b) there isn't a clear "N" either, and c) I re-stress the stress. If it was "On", one would think the stress would be on "Stockton", but it isn't; it's on that first word. If one was to say (as though it were a name) "Art Stockton", the stress would more likely be on "Art". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Other possibilities, BTW, include "Arn" (short for "Arnold") or "Ott" (short for "Otto"). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: Ok, although I've clearly heard "on Stockton" every time, I went ahead and sampled that part of the toon and slowed it way down in Audacity. I think it makes it very clear that he's saying "On Stockton." Here's a link to the mp3 so you can hear it yourself and decide: [http://www.efn.org/~jbl/hsr/stockton.mp3] --[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:48, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: He's saying it funny because he's talking like a referee would in such a situation. "This action...on XX...this penalty!" No offense to anyone, but I think you're crazy if you're hearing "Art." There's nothing even vaguely resembling it there, nor does it make any sense in that context in a way that would lead to a punchline.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 22:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::He's clearly saying "'''on''' Stockton," because he's assessing the foul ''on'' Stockton. Perhaps you're hearing "Art" or "Arn" because of the echo. And for that matter, the most well-known player named Stockton to ever play basketball was ''John'' Stockton. [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 09:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Still doesn't sound like "on" to me. Besides, who said he's referring to a basketball player? Homestar's playing "baskeeball". Which, apparently, uses first downs. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:48, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm seeing what looks like consensus here. Suggest removing the extraneous footnote. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 23:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
: What consensus are you seeing? The footnote stays. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:45, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
::Agreed... this isn't consensus... and he doesn't say "on". {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, it seems like <strike>two</strike> three people think it's Art and a lot more think it's on (.. and it is), which is more of a consensus than cases that have been called consensus before. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::And by a lot I mean, like, 7 or so... -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:46, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think you need to learn the not-so-subtle difference between consensus and a vote. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:52, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::The difference is consensus is what's accepted here and vote is not. Talking about prior cases on the wiki would never refer to a vote, unless STUFF is involved. And to address a separate issue, one of the arguments for Art is that the T is supposedly clearly audible, but then it's also claimed that "Arn" is possible. (Even if it were "Art", I think "Arn" is much less likely. It's a much less common nickname, imo). So which is it? Audible T or no T? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I am unable to make out the consonant fully at all. I think it's a "T" and don't at all believe it's an "N"; I merely suggested "Arn" as an attempt at compromise. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::K, well, if nobody seems to think it's Arn, I think the footnote is better with just Art. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 01:18, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Jay, you're hearing the "T" in Stockton and attaching it to the first word. It's '''on'''. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:19, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Right, I'm hearing the "T" in "Stockton" ''before'' the "S". 9_9 --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Think about it from a common sense perspective. They're trying to be funny: what's funny about "Art" or "Arn" or "Ott?" Nothing. There's no punchline; even when the Brothers Chaps are random, there's some sort of punchline to it, like Homsar's nonsensical response to Strong Sad asking him if he was going to say anything in DNA Evidence. Their references are always direct, joke A to popular culture point B. Stockton makes sense as a reference to John Stockton, an NBA player; Art Stockton makes no sense, and isn't funny. I've never, ever heard anyone use "Arn" as short for Arnold, or "Ott" as short for Otto, ever. I think that if you have to stretch the logic way out and create a web of connections to justify a reference, then barring a direct mention from the Brothers Chaps in a commentary or something it shouldn't be considered a legitimate reference.
Good grief, I can't believe I'm still going on about this.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
: What's funny about "On"? I already said I believed it was "Art" and only introduced the others as potential compromises. What reference? And the punchline was most obviously the "first down" part (if not the part where the puppet is appearing ''at all''.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:59, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::As I and the anony above said already, he's talking like a referee in a football game (randomness with a punchline) assessing a technical foul against "Stockton" (Marzipan). It's very simple. Don't make things so complicated in this; like I said, the more you try to find some sort of twisted web of logic to justify an extreme reference, the less sense it will all make. The most obvious reference is probably the right one, again barring something to the contrary from the creators.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::In what way am I making this complicated? I'm simply saying that what I hear is closer to "Art" than "On" and I don't see how making it "On" makes it any funnier as you previously said. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I agree with Big Dog. He's saying "on Stockton." As I said before, I think you're all hearing the echo and it's muffling what's actually being said. For the referee to say "Art Stockton" doesn't make any sense, even when it comes to TBC being random. [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 06:56, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Sure it does. Think of it this way, what if he said "False start, Larry Smith, five yard penalty"? would you say that that made so sense? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, that does make sense, but like I said, Homestar's playing basketball (even if he pronounced it weird), and John Stockton is the most famous "Stockton" to ever play basketball. That being said, to say "Art Stockton" doesn't make any sense at all, even for TBC. I just don't see how anyone could think it's anything other than the referee assessing the foul "'''on''' Stockton." [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 19:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::It makes every bit as much sense as [[Happy Hallow-Day|every]] [[Cool Things|other]] [[cheat talk|time]] TBC randomly mention the name of a character who doesn't exist, so yeah, this fits with TBC's style entirely. Anyway, the argument's pretty moot by now. You've already essentially won. The transcript says "On", which it did not do when this topic was created. The footnote is there to show that there is a disagreement. Removing the footnote would show that the people who originally argued for the footnote's point have recanted — which is obviously not the case. This is this Wiki's standard. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, there's no footnote in Jibblies 2, even though the arguers didn't recant. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.34|132.183.138.34]] 20:01, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::To add to the counterargument, your claim that "it makes no sense because he's playing basketball" actually goes to support our side... the whole sentence is supposed to not make sense. I mean, have you ever seen anyone get a first down in basketball? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Which is the entire point, which is why "Technical foul, on Stockton" is what he said. He's a referee, calling a foul, albeit in a football-ref style with a football penalty. Which is the entire joke. Can we please vote on this and get it over with? I think this rivals "gamble/gambol" for most inane debate ever on this wiki.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Voting has never really been Wiki policy outside of the now-decommissioned STUFF (which this wouldn't fall under anyway). And I reiterate: if nothing changes from how it is now (as opposed to when the debate started), you win this debate. So you asking to vote comes off as nothing more than attempting to hide that there ''is'' a debate. (After all, the "gambol" footnote is still on [[Senorial Day]], is it not?) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:For whatever it matters at this late point in the debate, I hear "on". My theory as to why people hear "art": Homestar uses a rather gravelly voice which makes the "n" sound more articulated than it really is. Maybe? Just a thought. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::As a football referee, "Art" makes just as much sense. The "on" would be implicit, and the foul is on "Art Stockton". If "False start, Larry Smith, five yard penalty" makes sense, then so does this. Or i'll make it even clearer. If "Technical foul, Larry Smith, first down!" makes sense, so does this. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 10:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::The thing is, though, foot ball refs give penalties in the format of "(Foul), '''Number (jersey number)''', Offense/Defense, (penalty)." They do not say "(foul), '''(player name)''', (penalty)." So if you want to talk about what makes sense, neither "on" nor "Art" make sense. Also, it should be noted that no one named Art Stockton ever played basketball in anything above high school. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 02:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== "Visible Seam" in goofs? ==

I don't see the visible seam on my screen, no matter how much I zoom in. It's possible that it's just my monitor, so I'm not going to erase that entry or anything, but I just thought I'd bring that up. Does anyone else see it in the current version of the toon? Maybe it's a fixed goof? --[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:It has been fixed. I didn't see it, so I changed the section to "Fixed Goofs" and reworded it. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 22:35, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::It hasn't been fixed because it was never broken. It is simply untrue. I have removed it. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:43, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== Inside references. ==

Does this toon somehow contribute to the idea of Homestar wearing long pants?

The big shoes he held up go over his foot to where his ankles would be, but his shoe puppets only flapped like sandal soles with inlays for tongues.

== That's a lot of emails ==
I'm not sure if this is more notable here or in [[Hremail 7]], if it's notable at all, but if this the two emails' numbering is taken at face value and Homestar was supposed to have checked 1,993 emails between 2001 and 2009 (assuming this email isn't taking place "in the future", which there's no evidence of) he'd having to be checking on average somewhere between four and five emails a week over the course of eight years. Anyone think this is worth noting anywhere? - [[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 21:41, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
: The thing is, the numbering is intentionally wonking. There is no evidence he checked any emails besides the ones we have seen.

Talk:Hremail 2000

Origonalname — Sat, 23 May 2009 21:35:51 GMT

Origonalname: /* Dipped in ink */

==Dipped in ink==
Could the claim in the Easter egg that Shadow Homestar was "dipped in a vat of ink" be a reference to the ending montage of [[dangeresque 3]], where the silhouette of [[Killingyouguy]] was shown to be made by painting Strong Mad in black? It's what came first to my mind, anyway... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 09:22, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:Mine too.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 14:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:: Oh most definitely. Should there be a page for shadow Homestar, or at least a part of the chacter variation page for hime? He seems like a pretty important duplicate.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 21:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::[[Shadow Homestar Runner]]. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 22:58, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I don't really think the page is neccesary (Hope I spelled that right). It should be under Homestar's variations because that is practically him.---{{User:Record307/sig}} 02:17, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::The guy above me is right. Shadow Homestar is merely a slight variation of Homestar. But, Shadow Homestar could come back, and end up just like Homsar.

== Shadow Homestar ==
Isn't this a reference to "Shadow Link" in the Legend of Zelda games? We all know TBC are big fans, so possibilities?
--[[User:Lustmyeyes|lustmyeyes <3]] 10:41, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:I think lots of video game characters have "shadow" or "dark" versions of themselves, it's quite common, from what I can tell. --[[User:That crazy DumDe!|DumDe]] 16:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::I wish, but the easter egg seems to be referencing the [[Street Fighter]] series. {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 16:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Mortal Kombat as well. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Since the whole scene is a parody of Mortal Kombat, I kinda think the Noob Saibot line holds some water. Another "ambiguous reference" about the ubiquitousness of "shadow" characters may also be appropriate. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 01:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::For what it's worth, the original "Prince of Persia" was almost certainly the first game to have such a "shadow" opponent... predates Mortal Kombat by 3 years. --[[User:dmz|dmz]] 08:30, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::I think we're best off with the ambiguous reference, like we already have on the page, though i wouldn't mind a nod to noob in the same line, since it IS mortal kombat after all. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:15, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Frankly, I'm against any reference at all to Noob Saibot - he wasn't all-black, just gray, and he didn't copy the moves of any character in particular. In his initial appearance, there were MULTIPLE characters that looked like him aside from the color scheme. If it's got anything at all to do with Mortal Kombat, it's almost certainly the mirror matches that were in the original game. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:04, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:It's Jung! Carl Jung! The shadow self represents our insecurities, the elements of our psyche we repress! To do battle with the shadow self is to cease projecting these qualities onto others and acknowledge them in our self! -SFC
:: What the crap? What are you talking/spamming about? Okay, Mr. Preacher, could you keep your ramblings to yourself or would you care to explain what you mean? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::: Jungian psychology describes the archetype (the common form present in everyone's understanding of the world) of the shadow self. The shadow self is, as I said, the part of ourself we don't consciously recognise - not necessarily the 'bad' parts, but the parts we don't think of as really 'us'. Part of psychological development, in this model, is acknowledging these elements - engaging with the shadow self, 'doing battle with it', and merging with it to form a more complete, healthy being. So, basically, Jung attributes to this root cause all the mythical examples of shadow selves - and his work predates video games, naturally. -SFC
== Multiples again? ==
It should probably be noted that this is another instance of [[duplicate characters]], both with the 3rd Homestar leg (which is obviously not part of homestar when he's shown on the basketball court) and possibly also because of the Shadow Homestar. [[Special:Contributions/72.70.158.239|72.70.158.239]] 13:56, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:'''Agree'''. Yeah we should probably note the third leg.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 14:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Done.-{{User:Record307/sig}} 19:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Except the three leg thing has really nothing to do with "shadow Homestar"... --[[Special:Contributions/71.58.29.180|71.58.29.180]] 23:51, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::::No one said it did... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:52, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

==Homestar's Arms==
I'm no master at editing wikis, so I think I'll just mention it here. There should probably be something about how Homestar holds a big sock, then a big shoe, then a bigger sock, and then a bigger shoe, more than someone could hold with two hands (as he lifts them up seperately, and they don't move afterwards).
:There is a place to do that. I'll try to find it for consistancy. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 17:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Try going [[invisible arms|here]]. I also added a remark on the article. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 17:51, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, does anyone else think the Chaps are doing this on purpose now? I notice the whole "doing-things-that-would-require-more-than-two-arms" controversy has seemed to heighten somewhat on this wiki lately, so are they just adding fuel to the fire? Do they ''enjoy'' making those who try to find at least some level of vague sense-make in the cartoon squirm uncomfortably in their seats? (Not that I'm one of those people, I'm just sayin'. It's a weird co-weenky-dink.) [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:04, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I believe one of their commentaries mentioned the wiki, so they definitely know what goes on here. Probably amused their dumb little animal cartoon is causing so much silly bantering. My take is it's, 'relax, it's just a cartoon." And giant hands. Just because they're invisible doesn't mean they have to be normal sized!
:::::He holds them up individually, so unless he has REALLY big fingers..... -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:26, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

What if he has one arm, holds an item, uses the other arm to put an item in his first arm, takes the second arm, puts the item in the first arm (this part would be hard, but not entirely impossible) and then holds the last item in the second arm (optionally, he could take the third item and transfer it back to the second)
:Yeah, it is actually possible to manipulate your fingers in a way where you can hold all four items at once, especially considering how light even giant socks are.

== Dream ==
When marzipan says that "the whole last season was just a dream", could this be a reference to the infamous ending of the Sopranos Tv series?
:This is the fourth suggestion so far as to what show it's referring to. I think that pretty much makes it something that can't be pinned to any one thing. The other three are Roseanne, Dallas, and Newhart, as seen when i removed them [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Hremail_2000&diff=627207&oldid=627205&rcid=586009 here]. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:44, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Dallas did it first and is most famous for it. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 21:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::The show Newhart is arguably the most famous as making the ''entire show'' was a dream in his earlier show. But I don't want to get into an argument about which is "more famous", because if one is mentioned, they all need to be. The best way is to make an ambiguous reference. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:33, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
There's a big controversy on how to include a remark about how "the entire last season was a dream." Why not just add a non-specific reference like; "Several prime-time shows have revealed in the season's last episode that the entire season had merely been a dream."? I'm not good at writing these things though, but i'm sure someone could make it sound very good and succinct. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:01, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:Why hasn't anyone else thought of this? Nice idea. -Nonuser mster24
::I'll take a shot at it. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Okay, it's up. Wasn't sure whether to put it in Explanations or Real-World References, but if I've erred someone can move it. I tried to word it as succinctly as I could, but of course if someone can reword it better, go for it. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:13, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Great summary, that's better than I could have put it. However, I believe that it belongs under Real-World references as it really isn't explaining anything rather than mention something said is referring to a real-life show(s). -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:29, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Actually, general references to culture rather than references to something specific go in explanations. it's in the right place. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:35, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::I almost changed it, but realized the same thing trying to rephrase it. I like it where it is. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:45, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::There has only been one show where they had an entire season which was a dream. That was Dallas. This is a direct, complete reference to Dallas. -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]]
:::-as opposed to NEWHART which was only 8 seasons dreamed up. If I do my math right, NEWHART is 800% more direct than Dallas. My point is, there's more than one show which did that and we have the reference already in the article. We appreciate your input, but this has been discussed. Please see above. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 22:32, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::Well, not necessarily. One could argue that, by the "math" of the transitive <strike>butt</strike> gimmick property, Dallas: 1 season = 100% direct reference by what Marzi said, whereas Newhart: 1 series/8 seasons = 0% direct reference by what Marzi said. And as much as love Bob Newhart, I really think Dallas is the most likely reference (this coming from someone who hasn't even seen Dallas, but is just familiar with certain famous attributes, this being one of them). Having said that, though, I don't think there's a strong enough case to put that specific one in the article, so I don't think there's any other way to do it, no matter how much I hate general, ambiguous references (I usually don't find 'em very useful). (Though I do maintain that Dallas did it first, in the 85-86 season (Newhart ended in 1990), and that they've referenced Dallas at least once in the past, with the [[Caleb Rentpayer]] thing.) -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 22:47, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::The Trope link, on the other hand, makes a general reference much more useful. Anonny satisfied! -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.21|132.183.151.21]] 23:27, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::::First of all, it would be 800% AS direct, not 800% more direct. Secondly Newhart presumes the entire series was a dream (and entirely for comedic effect, not even pretending to be realistic). If marzipan had said the entire series was a dream, then it would make sense. Dallas is the only series to have had a "Dream Season" which is what Marzipan says -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]]
:::::The only point I was proving is that Dallas is not the only show that has done it (while Dallas may have been first). All I is saying is that it shouldn't be a specific reference. -{{User:Opus the Penguin/sig}} 21:29, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Since when is TV Tropes Wiki a reliable source for anything? -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 19:36, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Since TBC started making reference to TV tropes... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:38, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Show me where they did this. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 00:46, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Well, there's two of them in this very toon, and tons of others all over the place. they spoof pop culture a lot. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:50, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Oh. I thought you meant they referenced the TV Tropes website itself, in which case a link would be appropriate. As it is I don't see why the links shouldn't be replaced with Wikipedia articles that explain the concepts. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]]
::::::::::::Because tropes does a better job at documenting and describing them, and is more specific. that's why. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:06, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::::True as that may be, that's not my point. Maybe I wasn't being clear enough. My point in my original edit was that I don't see how TV Tropes is a reliable source. I mean, Wikipedia's not perfect, but I'd take it over a site that openly says it has few standards and is mostly for fun any day. I mean, yeah, it's kinda entertaining sometimes, and I get the feeling some people are actually trying provide objective information about common plot devices and media conventions, after visiting that site for nearly two years I get the impression that a large chunk of the contributors are more concerned with informing everyone that Doctor Who/Avatar The Last Airbender/Discworld/some furry webcomic is awesome and every other piece of fiction ever written is crap. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 02:16, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:Other shows have done it, but Dallas is arguably the most well-known, especially given the Brothers Chaps' ages. Not to mention, that website doesn't even mention it, just a bunch of anime references...I don't know if it's really what fits in here.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 13:10, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::To elaborate, the Newhart ending was itself a parody of the tendency of 80s TV shows to turn to the "it was all a dream" copout to throw away story elements they didn't like, resurrect characters, move the show to Jupiter, etc. That ending is also widely regarded as one of the best moments in TV history. In contrast, there was a lot of aggravation that Dallas decided to just throw away an entire season's worth of story as just being a dream, which Marzipan's annoyance definitely alludes to. Frankly, I think the mathematically questionable attempts to say that it refers to this or that ought to give way to what folks older than 20 or so will recognize as a clear Dallas reference.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 13:20, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Just how does TV Tropes do "a better job at documenting and describing [concepts]" than this very wiki? To me, that website is the very definition of ""[[unnatural|an organized forum for people to shout out their ideas all at the same time]]": it's a complete mess of potentially interesting information, which overwhelms the reader due to a complete lack of standards and formatting. You claim that we should make ANY specific references to any examples of "dream seasons" (what's wrong with mentioning just two or three extremely well-known examples?), yet then link to some website that attempts to list every single use of dreams in all the films, TV programmes, anime, manga and video games that it can think of? Do we really need to pass the buck this badly? Instead, we should all take a look at a similar problem that happened a while ago with [[bottom 10]]; the problem involved "songs that try to pass off la la's, na na's, and doot do's as legit lyrics". There are a million songs this statement could be referencing, so it was decided that we would only make three well-known references and leave it at that. A similar solution should be taken with this article; we add a sentence to the fact along the lines of "Notable example of 'dream seasons' include Dallas, Newhart and Roseanne," and an invisble comment asking people not to make any more references. It might be OK to keep the link to TV Tropes if enough people want to, but at least don't leave our explaination of the concept as it is. It just looks terribly generic and wishy-washy unless the link is followed. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:I'd forgotten about ''Roseanne''. ''Dallas'' is the only example I find where the writers wrote themselves into a corner and out of desperation wiped out the whole season. I would not support listing ''Newhart'', as that final episode wiped out the entire ''series'' and was played for laughs. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
It just occurred to me that I forgot to add an alternative to the Tropes link, so it looks like I'm complaining instead of trying to improve the article. Sorry about that. For the record, I think that a general explanation of the concept with one or two references to the most popular examples, like what somebody suggested above, would suffice. -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]]

Can we just add at the end of the reference a couple of examples? Just make it "Marzipan's remark that the entire last season was just a dream refers to a gimmick employed by several television series in which such a revelation is made, usually in the last episode of that season, in series such as ''Dallas'' or ''Roseanne''." I think it would make the reference better, while still leaving it open ended. --[[User:Zonis|Zonis]] 03:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Homestar's Shoes? ==

Think it should be noted somewheres that Homestar's feet/shoes act like (and are referred to as) shoes in this toon? As far as I know, there's been a dispute over whether Homestar wears shoes or not, and this, especially the puppet show, could possibly confirm that he does.-Nonuser mster24
:Or that he doesn't. Note the fact that in that one closeup, his supposed "shoes" have those gnarly wart-looking things and his leg region is shown to have hair, despite the fact that there's no clear boundary between his "shoes/feet" and his legs. Just another wrench in the works-of-clearing-up-ambiguity is my guess. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 21:08, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
::Either way, we include references to his shoes on [[Homestar Runner's Pants]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:12, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

== Foot Pelts ==
Is this easter egg another instance of [[Strong Sad]]'s implied [[death]]? [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 00:03, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Implied amputation isn't implied death. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:57, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::It could go here though -> [[Severed Body Parts]] -02:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:Why not? In [[modeling]], Strong Sad informs Strong Bad that poachers have been after his feet.
:: No, no, no, no, no! You people misintuprited this. Strong Bad is walking around in "someone else's slighty larger foot pelts", and he likes the feeling of it. In [[diorama]], it was revealed that Strong Sad wore Dr. Soolnd's Medicated Shoes, so those might not even be his feet, but his "slighty larger foot pelts" that Homestar mentioned. He is wearing Strong Sa's SHOES! At least, that's my inturpritation of the joke. Oh well, maybe not... --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:13, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
== Cow Clips ==

The "Cow Clips" Homestar uses on his shoes are Binder Clips, also known as Bulldog Clips.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binder_clip --[[User:Zonis|Zonis]] 19:49, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:The transcript already calls them binder clips. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:56, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
::It's easy to see how someone could go from "bulldog clips" to "cow clips", but to me, it just seemed like some random association Homestar was making. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:14 6 Feb 2009}}

== Swiss-ness ==

"swiss miss" is a brand of hot cocoa and other food-esque items. to be included in real-world references? --[[User:Neumannz|Zatchman (Neumannz)]] 20:42, 3 February 2009 (UTC)
:And [[Wikipedia:Swiss Miss (disambiguation)|many other things]] as well. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:44, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

== Missle vs. Missal ==

When Homestar says "today's missle," I think he is actually saying "Today's Missal," a publication found at nearly every Catholic church. See: http://www.ocp.org/products/tm Also see the Wikipedia article on Missal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missal
Should this be included in explanations or maybe real-world references?
:It's a [[malapropism]] for "missive". "Missile" has the benefit of being one letter off. "Missal" does not. The pronunciation is the same. I say "missile" is fine. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:22, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:I think "missal". Mostly because both are written materials, a much more closely related semantic field than "missile" would be. (Although, one could make the argument that Homestar misread a teleprompter or queue card).
::In [[senorial day]] when there was a homonym debate, we put a footnote. -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.17|128.103.10.17]] 03:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::That was a stretch, this is a bigger one. There's no reason to throw in an uncommon term like missal when the common term will suffice. Barring some sort of direct mention to the contrary by the Brothers Chaps, I don't see how a footnote would be necessary.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:57, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::As I stated above, at least missive and missal share the common semantic domain of written documents, whereas missile does not. And considering that TBC do have some Catholic roots to them, it's very likely that they could have meant missal. I do not think you can simply dismiss one over the other without some solid rationale for doing so. At the very least, "missal" could be added parenthetically. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:02 6 Feb 2009}}
::::*Also, this is further complicated by the possibility that this is a portmanteau of "missive" and "epistle". {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:09 6 Feb 2009}}
::::To be extremely nitpicky, they're homo''phones''. If they were homonyms, we wouldn't be having this discussion. ;) I stick with "missile", but a large part of that is the fact that I had never heard of the word "missal" before this conversation. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:28, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Long Pants ==

Remember when Strong Bad asserted that Homestar "simply has blue soles glued to the bottom of his feet"? Should that be mentioned?
:Since they don't mention it in this toon, I don't see why it should be mentioned in the wiki. Also, this toon clearly indicates that Homestar is wearing shoes, since he mentions them by their brand name, and he shows a couple of larger versions of the same shoes.--[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

== Power forward ==

Why isn't [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_forward_(basketball) power forward] explained? [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 23:01, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
:Who knows? Feel free to add it if you'd like. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 23:07, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
::I added the explanation, and I also explained what it means to "post up" and I clarified "in the paint" a bit, but I'm sure what I wrote could be worded better. By the way, this is my first time editing. [[User:Willstar|Willstar]] 05:15, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

== Art Stockton ==

I hear "Technical foul ''on'' Stockton", not "Art Stockton". — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:I would agree that that makes SLIGHTLY more sense, however, the "T" is clearly audible. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:26, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
::it makes entirely more sense. In that "On Stockton" makes sense, and "Art Stockton" doesn't. Also, that "clearly audilbe T" isn't. I hear "on" every time.[[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 21:49, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Is it "Art"? I think so, but I'm not 100% sure. What I ''am'' 100% sure of is that it is ''not'' "On". And even if it was, who puts the stress on a preposition? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:22, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Oh, and one more thing. "Art" makes ''exactly'' as much sense as "Stockton" in this context — it's short for "Arthur". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Definitely "Art Stockton" rather than "on".
::::After cramming my left ear up to my computer speaker and listening to it like 7 times, I deduced that it's "on Stockton." {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 03:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::I hear on, myself. -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.17|128.103.10.17]] 03:50, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Sounds like on to me, he's just talking like a referee.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:58, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Just listened to it again. I don't know how on earth someone could interpret that as "Art." It's clearly "on." There's not even Homestar's usually twisted version of R present, let alone a T sound. Short O is something Homestar is not known for having trouble with, and that's clearly what he's saying. Might want to clean the wax out, guys.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:07, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::No, it's clearly "Art." Try turning the volume up on your speakers or something. {{unsigned|24.117.107.182|00:07 6 Feb 2009}}
::::::::Uncertain on how clear the "T" is, but a) it sounds ''exactly'' like when Homestar attempts an "R" (or "awr"), b) there isn't a clear "N" either, and c) I re-stress the stress. If it was "On", one would think the stress would be on "Stockton", but it isn't; it's on that first word. If one was to say (as though it were a name) "Art Stockton", the stress would more likely be on "Art". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:09, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Other possibilities, BTW, include "Arn" (short for "Arnold") or "Ott" (short for "Otto"). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:11, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: Ok, although I've clearly heard "on Stockton" every time, I went ahead and sampled that part of the toon and slowed it way down in Audacity. I think it makes it very clear that he's saying "On Stockton." Here's a link to the mp3 so you can hear it yourself and decide: [http://www.efn.org/~jbl/hsr/stockton.mp3] --[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:48, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::: He's saying it funny because he's talking like a referee would in such a situation. "This action...on XX...this penalty!" No offense to anyone, but I think you're crazy if you're hearing "Art." There's nothing even vaguely resembling it there, nor does it make any sense in that context in a way that would lead to a punchline.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 22:44, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::He's clearly saying "'''on''' Stockton," because he's assessing the foul ''on'' Stockton. Perhaps you're hearing "Art" or "Arn" because of the echo. And for that matter, the most well-known player named Stockton to ever play basketball was ''John'' Stockton. [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 09:08, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Still doesn't sound like "on" to me. Besides, who said he's referring to a basketball player? Homestar's playing "baskeeball". Which, apparently, uses first downs. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:48, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
I'm seeing what looks like consensus here. Suggest removing the extraneous footnote. [[User:Nightsong81|Nightsong81]] 23:38, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
: What consensus are you seeing? The footnote stays. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:45, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
::Agreed... this isn't consensus... and he doesn't say "on". {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::Well, it seems like <strike>two</strike> three people think it's Art and a lot more think it's on (.. and it is), which is more of a consensus than cases that have been called consensus before. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::And by a lot I mean, like, 7 or so... -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:46, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think you need to learn the not-so-subtle difference between consensus and a vote. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:52, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::The difference is consensus is what's accepted here and vote is not. Talking about prior cases on the wiki would never refer to a vote, unless STUFF is involved. And to address a separate issue, one of the arguments for Art is that the T is supposedly clearly audible, but then it's also claimed that "Arn" is possible. (Even if it were "Art", I think "Arn" is much less likely. It's a much less common nickname, imo). So which is it? Audible T or no T? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 00:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I am unable to make out the consonant fully at all. I think it's a "T" and don't at all believe it's an "N"; I merely suggested "Arn" as an attempt at compromise. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:13, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::K, well, if nobody seems to think it's Arn, I think the footnote is better with just Art. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.187|132.183.151.187]] 01:18, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::Jay, you're hearing the "T" in Stockton and attaching it to the first word. It's '''on'''. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:19, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Right, I'm hearing the "T" in "Stockton" ''before'' the "S". 9_9 --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:00, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
Think about it from a common sense perspective. They're trying to be funny: what's funny about "Art" or "Arn" or "Ott?" Nothing. There's no punchline; even when the Brothers Chaps are random, there's some sort of punchline to it, like Homsar's nonsensical response to Strong Sad asking him if he was going to say anything in DNA Evidence. Their references are always direct, joke A to popular culture point B. Stockton makes sense as a reference to John Stockton, an NBA player; Art Stockton makes no sense, and isn't funny. I've never, ever heard anyone use "Arn" as short for Arnold, or "Ott" as short for Otto, ever. I think that if you have to stretch the logic way out and create a web of connections to justify a reference, then barring a direct mention from the Brothers Chaps in a commentary or something it shouldn't be considered a legitimate reference.
Good grief, I can't believe I'm still going on about this.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:57, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
: What's funny about "On"? I already said I believed it was "Art" and only introduced the others as potential compromises. What reference? And the punchline was most obviously the "first down" part (if not the part where the puppet is appearing ''at all''.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:59, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::As I and the anony above said already, he's talking like a referee in a football game (randomness with a punchline) assessing a technical foul against "Stockton" (Marzipan). It's very simple. Don't make things so complicated in this; like I said, the more you try to find some sort of twisted web of logic to justify an extreme reference, the less sense it will all make. The most obvious reference is probably the right one, again barring something to the contrary from the creators.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 05:07, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::In what way am I making this complicated? I'm simply saying that what I hear is closer to "Art" than "On" and I don't see how making it "On" makes it any funnier as you previously said. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:38, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::I agree with Big Dog. He's saying "on Stockton." As I said before, I think you're all hearing the echo and it's muffling what's actually being said. For the referee to say "Art Stockton" doesn't make any sense, even when it comes to TBC being random. [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 06:56, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::Sure it does. Think of it this way, what if he said "False start, Larry Smith, five yard penalty"? would you say that that made so sense? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, that does make sense, but like I said, Homestar's playing basketball (even if he pronounced it weird), and John Stockton is the most famous "Stockton" to ever play basketball. That being said, to say "Art Stockton" doesn't make any sense at all, even for TBC. I just don't see how anyone could think it's anything other than the referee assessing the foul "'''on''' Stockton." [[Special:Contributions/24.165.150.118|24.165.150.118]] 19:23, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::It makes every bit as much sense as [[Happy Hallow-Day|every]] [[Cool Things|other]] [[cheat talk|time]] TBC randomly mention the name of a character who doesn't exist, so yeah, this fits with TBC's style entirely. Anyway, the argument's pretty moot by now. You've already essentially won. The transcript says "On", which it did not do when this topic was created. The footnote is there to show that there is a disagreement. Removing the footnote would show that the people who originally argued for the footnote's point have recanted — which is obviously not the case. This is this Wiki's standard. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::Well, there's no footnote in Jibblies 2, even though the arguers didn't recant. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.34|132.183.138.34]] 20:01, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::To add to the counterargument, your claim that "it makes no sense because he's playing basketball" actually goes to support our side... the whole sentence is supposed to not make sense. I mean, have you ever seen anyone get a first down in basketball? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
::::::::::Which is the entire point, which is why "Technical foul, on Stockton" is what he said. He's a referee, calling a foul, albeit in a football-ref style with a football penalty. Which is the entire joke. Can we please vote on this and get it over with? I think this rivals "gamble/gambol" for most inane debate ever on this wiki.--[[User:Big Dog|Big Dog]] 04:05, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::::::::::Voting has never really been Wiki policy outside of the now-decommissioned STUFF (which this wouldn't fall under anyway). And I reiterate: if nothing changes from how it is now (as opposed to when the debate started), you win this debate. So you asking to vote comes off as nothing more than attempting to hide that there ''is'' a debate. (After all, the "gambol" footnote is still on [[Senorial Day]], is it not?) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:For whatever it matters at this late point in the debate, I hear "on". My theory as to why people hear "art": Homestar uses a rather gravelly voice which makes the "n" sound more articulated than it really is. Maybe? Just a thought. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:01, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
::As a football referee, "Art" makes just as much sense. The "on" would be implicit, and the foul is on "Art Stockton". If "False start, Larry Smith, five yard penalty" makes sense, then so does this. Or i'll make it even clearer. If "Technical foul, Larry Smith, first down!" makes sense, so does this. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 10:40, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
:::The thing is, though, foot ball refs give penalties in the format of "(Foul), '''Number (jersey number)''', Offense/Defense, (penalty)." They do not say "(foul), '''(player name)''', (penalty)." So if you want to talk about what makes sense, neither "on" nor "Art" make sense. Also, it should be noted that no one named Art Stockton ever played basketball in anything above high school. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 02:28, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

== "Visible Seam" in goofs? ==

I don't see the visible seam on my screen, no matter how much I zoom in. It's possible that it's just my monitor, so I'm not going to erase that entry or anything, but I just thought I'd bring that up. Does anyone else see it in the current version of the toon? Maybe it's a fixed goof? --[[User:Cheesius|-- Cheesius]] 22:27, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
:It has been fixed. I didn't see it, so I changed the section to "Fixed Goofs" and reworded it. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 22:35, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
::It hasn't been fixed because it was never broken. It is simply untrue. I have removed it. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:43, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

== Inside references. ==

Does this toon somehow contribute to the idea of Homestar wearing long pants?

The big shoes he held up go over his foot to where his ankles would be, but his shoe puppets only flapped like sandal soles with inlays for tongues.

== That's a lot of emails ==
I'm not sure if this is more notable here or in [[Hremail 7]], if it's notable at all, but if this the two emails' numbering is taken at face value and Homestar was supposed to have checked 1,993 emails between 2001 and 2009 (assuming this email isn't taking place "in the future", which there's no evidence of) he'd having to be checking on average somewhere between four and five emails a week over the course of eight years. Anyone think this is worth noting anywhere? - [[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 21:41, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
: The thing is, the numbering is intentionally wonking. There is no evidence he checked any emails besides the ones we have seen.

Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 15

Origonalname — Sat, 23 May 2009 18:58:16 GMT

Origonalname: /* So and So */

Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 15

Origonalname — Sat, 23 May 2009 18:55:08 GMT

Origonalname:

Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 15

Origonalname — Sat, 23 May 2009 18:51:34 GMT

Origonalname: /* An Old Classic */

Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 15

Origonalname — Sat, 23 May 2009 18:49:33 GMT

Origonalname: /* Religious reference? */

Talk:Career Day

Origonalname — Sat, 23 May 2009 18:46:27 GMT

Origonalname: /* AAAAAAAHHHH! MY EYES!!!! */

== Easter Eggs ==

Shouldn't someone include the Easter Eggs? I myself have not found any of them, but there may still be some. [[User:Chapien|chapien (approved by Homsar!)]] 18:42, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
:That's why it's not on the page. No one has found any yet, and there probably isn't any in the cartoon as of now (at least). {{User:DevonM/sig}} 18:50, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== Big Toon ==

Shouldn't it be noted that this is the first big toon since 2007? I think that's kind of improtant...
:I suppose it's a bit notable, but I'm not sure it merits a mention on the page. The gap between [[A Dumpy Tale]] and [[Weclome Back]] was similar (11 months), but is not mentioned anywhere on the pages. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 19:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

this is not a big toon
they said is wasnt one
: On the main page, before its release, sure. But the Toons menu lists it among the big toons (as in, not Shorts). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== Zoom zoom ==

Am I the only one that reminded of Rhino's hamsterball from the movie ''Bolt'' when I see Cheat in his space suit? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 01:15, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
: I was reminded of ''a'' hamster ball. But no specific ones. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:16, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::I was reminded of the gerbil ball for the gerbil my brother used to have... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:19, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:::I was reminded of the cow ball from The Far Side and the ball Bart was in in The Simpsons. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:41, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::::I have that panel on my binder. It's one good Far Side. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 03:44, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

== Cape Tedaverill? ==

There have been a couple of (admittedly poorly worded) attempts to put on the page the fact that the name Ted Averill is a play on Canaveral. I have to say I'm inclined to agree, considering the space launch connection and all. Does anyone else feel similarly? (Though I note that this is not the only place where the name appears, so I don't know if this is the best place to note it). -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.26|132.183.151.26]] 01:51, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:[[space program|The first time he appears]], it's said in such a way that no one would make the connection, so i'm inclined to say no. Also, it's a poor rhyme. If that was their intention, they could do so much better. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:53, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:I also happen to think it's a reference. The sound-alike quality is definitely more pronounced in Career Day, but I think it's clear enough in Space Program as well. I know there's no way to prove it, but I remember making that connection the first time I saw Space Program; I just never got around to checking its wiki entry.[[User:Some kind of scientist|Some kind of scientist]] 18:33, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

== McWhat Nebula? ==
I'm hearing McCow-Pie Nebula rather than McAlpine Nebula. No? It's funnier.
{{User:Funhaver}}
:I heard it as "cow pie" the first time, but after reading the transcript and listening closely, i must conclude that, sad though it may be, it's "MacAlpine." {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:45, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:I think the "Mc" and the "Al" sounds are blending together to get the "McCow" sound. It sounded somewhat like that when I watched it, too. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 03:46, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::I think it was supposed to sound like cow pie. It was really said as McAlpine, but meant to sound like cow pie.

== Buck the System ==
It's probably just because I am a huge SOAD fan, but when Strong bad said "Bucking the System" I instantly thought of the System of a Down song "F*ck the System." Anyone else think this? Just wondering if it should be on the real world references page.--[[User:Shaokahn280z|Shaokahn280z]] 19:09, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
[http://www.google.com/search?q=bucking+the+system google results] show that it's a pretty common phrase. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

== Space: Defined by Scientists as the... ==

When Strong Bad says this while in the shows the space capsule, I believe the way he says this is a refrence to "Space: The Final Frontier", from Star Trek. Should someone add this to the page as a refrence?
:I thought of it as well, but i figured it might be too vague. I'm on the fence. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::I don't think this was a reference. I think it was just a joke, and had nothing to do with Star Trek

== Blowin' in the Wind ==

A fact that's been removed from the page several times now involves the fan, which is being used similarly to in [[magic trick]]. Looks like a valid fact to me — it's basically the same joke, using the fan to make clothes blow around dramatically — but what do you say? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:39, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:Since I was the one who added the fact, I know I don't have to say I agree, but I'm gonna say it just to acknowledge your post with the other users that will be looking at the recent changes over the next hour or so :) {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 22:59, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

== whating the system? ==

Is it me, or is "Bucking the System" a reference to a cuss word?--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:53, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:It's you. As noted above in a different section, "buck the system" is a [http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/buck+the+system common phrase] with [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/buck no etymological relation] to the rhyming cuss word. -[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 20:20, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::I instantly though that as well when I first saw this. "Buck" was definatly used in a similar sence as f*. And this isn't the first time I've seen them use "Buck" instead of f*.

== Miles and miles of the spaceman styles... ==

The chin-curlies on Space Captainface's..er...face struck me as being similar to that of [http://blog.thedebianuser.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/buzz.jpg Buzz Lightyear]. Most likely a case of TTATOT, but just thought I'd throw it out there.

:I'd say either [[HrWiki:Glossary#T|TTATOT]], or just a buttchin to make him look more different.--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 23:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

:: I would agree with that; Captain Quark from the Ratchet and Clank games has the same sort of buttchin.
:::I agree. I noticed the butt chin the second I saw it.

== Toothpick through the gerbil ball ==

I noticed while watching for the 18th time today that Strap's toothpick goes through his gerbil ball... thing while in space. Why isn't this a Goof? -Corruption (logged in = 0)
:The toothpick is too far out of the gerbil ball (in fact, it looks like it's ''completely'' outside the ball) for it not to have been an intentional style choice, which would make it not a goof. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:02, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
::I don't belive it was an exact goof, but I definitely thing it wasn't on purpose. If that makes any sense.

== Homsar laughing ==

Let me get this straight - there's an entire ARTICLE dedicated to instances of Strong Bad smiling (a fairly common occurrence), a mention of the Poopsmith singing on-screen, and heck - even a mention of Homestar making a (borderline) grammatical error, but there's no mentioning the very first time Homsar unambiguously laughs at something?

What the heck are these sections FOR if not for pointing out something noteworthy and out of the ordinary? Homsar is a character that's known for being seemingly oblivious to what's going on around him (albeit in a ambivalent sort of way), so this is a COMPLETE departure for him as a character. To suggest anything else is nothing short of absurd. The mention of this unprecedented event should stay, or at the very LEAST be put up for a vote. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 22:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:I think it's notable only if we can clearly hear him. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 23:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::I can hear him, and, to me, it sounds kind of like a more-wavering version of his "AaAaaAAaa!" — {{User:Fotoshop/sig}} 23:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::There is, however, a [[Talk:isp#There's a first time for everything|precedent for removing facts like this]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 23:09, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::::That fact says there were 2 times before when Bubs laughed a little. This fact says this is the 1st time Homsar laughed at all. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 23:14, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::From the arguments: <blockquote>"First time" facts should be reserved for truly momentous firsts. Laughing out loud is not such a first, especially when we can infer that he has laughed out loud before, albeit off camera.</blockquote> I'm taking the bit from before the "especially" as the precedent here. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 23:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::Laughter in and of itself is unremarkable (after all, the littlest, tiniest babies can laugh), so there needs to be something special about Homsar if his laughter is to be included in the article. 0rion claims that this is a complete departure of Homsar's character, which would indeed be notable if it were true. But is it?
::::::    Let's examine the underlying point. I would have no problem with the following fact: "This is the first time Homsar has had an emotional reaction in response to something another character has said," except for one thing—it's completely false. Homsar was "crying on the inside" when he was mistakenly disqualified from the Strong Sad lookalike contest in [[impression]]. Furthermore, looking at his various appearances, he is ''not'' always oblivious to what's going on (some would actually claim he [[Analysis of Homsar's speech patterns|never is]]), it's not a departure for his character (or if it is, it's not the first time such a departure occurs), and even though this is the first time we specifically see him laughing, the underlying emotional reaction is not unprecedented. Thus, this isn't a notable first. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:10, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Wow. I can't belive you people are becoming so worked up about this. Yes, this is the first time Homsar laughs on screen but seriously. this is a wiki, not a baby book. characters have laughed befor, and had no one make a note of it. I think a first laugh by a character in no where near as important as you all are making it seem. [[User:Origonalname]]

== Mazipan's Teeth'd? ==

I noticed that Marzipan's teeth show more often in this toon, as well as in [[Kick-A-Ball]]. Does this, by any chance, count as further Marzipan evolution? {{User:Religious Corn/sig}} 20:24, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

:I don't know, maybe. [[User:MICGAGUH]]
::I saw some noticeable difference in her eyes. I think Marzipan's eyes have evolved a little bit, but no her teeth. [[User:Origonalname]]

== Well shut his mouth. ==

Strong Bad says in [[Homestar Runner Presents: Presents]] "Well shut my mouth" as a phrase that seems to mean "That's something I never expected to see happen". This combined with the fact that he has never before seen having an truely shut mouth makes me wonder: Should it be noted that this is the first time Strong Bad shuts his mouth, ableit only in cartoon form? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 23:01, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

== Mixed Art Styles ==

Should it be remarked that Ted Avarill was drawn by hand and then his mouth was added later using vector art? If you zoom in, you can clearly see that everything besides his mouth is pixelated. --[[Special:Contributions/141.224.237.41|141.224.237.41]] 23:05, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== Italian Satellite (of love) ==

Is it just me or does the Italin Spy Satellite look like a winebottle in a basket?
:Well, those Italians ''do'' enjoy their wine... but no, I think it more resembles just a stereotypical satellite shape. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 06:14, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
:: http://www.anl.gov/Science_and_Technology/History/Anniversary_Frontiers/12photo.html

== Main page message ==

The font used for "cosmic rays!!" has always looked like the font for main page messages. --{{User:Fangoriously/SIGGY HERE!}} 00:52, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

== AAAAAAAHHHH! MY EYES!!!! ==

I am going to put a warning next to that "flesh eating virus" link. That was so nasty my brain threw up. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 11:08, 23 May 2009 (UTC)
:what?

Talk:Career Day

Origonalname — Sat, 23 May 2009 18:44:31 GMT

Origonalname: /* Mazipan's Teeth'd? */

== Easter Eggs ==

Shouldn't someone include the Easter Eggs? I myself have not found any of them, but there may still be some. [[User:Chapien|chapien (approved by Homsar!)]] 18:42, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
:That's why it's not on the page. No one has found any yet, and there probably isn't any in the cartoon as of now (at least). {{User:DevonM/sig}} 18:50, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== Big Toon ==

Shouldn't it be noted that this is the first big toon since 2007? I think that's kind of improtant...
:I suppose it's a bit notable, but I'm not sure it merits a mention on the page. The gap between [[A Dumpy Tale]] and [[Weclome Back]] was similar (11 months), but is not mentioned anywhere on the pages. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 19:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

this is not a big toon
they said is wasnt one
: On the main page, before its release, sure. But the Toons menu lists it among the big toons (as in, not Shorts). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== Zoom zoom ==

Am I the only one that reminded of Rhino's hamsterball from the movie ''Bolt'' when I see Cheat in his space suit? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 01:15, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
: I was reminded of ''a'' hamster ball. But no specific ones. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:16, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::I was reminded of the gerbil ball for the gerbil my brother used to have... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:19, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:::I was reminded of the cow ball from The Far Side and the ball Bart was in in The Simpsons. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:41, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::::I have that panel on my binder. It's one good Far Side. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 03:44, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

== Cape Tedaverill? ==

There have been a couple of (admittedly poorly worded) attempts to put on the page the fact that the name Ted Averill is a play on Canaveral. I have to say I'm inclined to agree, considering the space launch connection and all. Does anyone else feel similarly? (Though I note that this is not the only place where the name appears, so I don't know if this is the best place to note it). -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.26|132.183.151.26]] 01:51, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:[[space program|The first time he appears]], it's said in such a way that no one would make the connection, so i'm inclined to say no. Also, it's a poor rhyme. If that was their intention, they could do so much better. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:53, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:I also happen to think it's a reference. The sound-alike quality is definitely more pronounced in Career Day, but I think it's clear enough in Space Program as well. I know there's no way to prove it, but I remember making that connection the first time I saw Space Program; I just never got around to checking its wiki entry.[[User:Some kind of scientist|Some kind of scientist]] 18:33, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

== McWhat Nebula? ==
I'm hearing McCow-Pie Nebula rather than McAlpine Nebula. No? It's funnier.
{{User:Funhaver}}
:I heard it as "cow pie" the first time, but after reading the transcript and listening closely, i must conclude that, sad though it may be, it's "MacAlpine." {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:45, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:I think the "Mc" and the "Al" sounds are blending together to get the "McCow" sound. It sounded somewhat like that when I watched it, too. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 03:46, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::I think it was supposed to sound like cow pie. It was really said as McAlpine, but meant to sound like cow pie.

== Buck the System ==
It's probably just because I am a huge SOAD fan, but when Strong bad said "Bucking the System" I instantly thought of the System of a Down song "F*ck the System." Anyone else think this? Just wondering if it should be on the real world references page.--[[User:Shaokahn280z|Shaokahn280z]] 19:09, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
[http://www.google.com/search?q=bucking+the+system google results] show that it's a pretty common phrase. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

== Space: Defined by Scientists as the... ==

When Strong Bad says this while in the shows the space capsule, I believe the way he says this is a refrence to "Space: The Final Frontier", from Star Trek. Should someone add this to the page as a refrence?
:I thought of it as well, but i figured it might be too vague. I'm on the fence. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::I don't think this was a reference. I think it was just a joke, and had nothing to do with Star Trek

== Blowin' in the Wind ==

A fact that's been removed from the page several times now involves the fan, which is being used similarly to in [[magic trick]]. Looks like a valid fact to me — it's basically the same joke, using the fan to make clothes blow around dramatically — but what do you say? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:39, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:Since I was the one who added the fact, I know I don't have to say I agree, but I'm gonna say it just to acknowledge your post with the other users that will be looking at the recent changes over the next hour or so :) {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 22:59, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

== whating the system? ==

Is it me, or is "Bucking the System" a reference to a cuss word?--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:53, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:It's you. As noted above in a different section, "buck the system" is a [http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/buck+the+system common phrase] with [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/buck no etymological relation] to the rhyming cuss word. -[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 20:20, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::I instantly though that as well when I first saw this. "Buck" was definatly used in a similar sence as f*. And this isn't the first time I've seen them use "Buck" instead of f*.

== Miles and miles of the spaceman styles... ==

The chin-curlies on Space Captainface's..er...face struck me as being similar to that of [http://blog.thedebianuser.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/buzz.jpg Buzz Lightyear]. Most likely a case of TTATOT, but just thought I'd throw it out there.

:I'd say either [[HrWiki:Glossary#T|TTATOT]], or just a buttchin to make him look more different.--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 23:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

:: I would agree with that; Captain Quark from the Ratchet and Clank games has the same sort of buttchin.
:::I agree. I noticed the butt chin the second I saw it.

== Toothpick through the gerbil ball ==

I noticed while watching for the 18th time today that Strap's toothpick goes through his gerbil ball... thing while in space. Why isn't this a Goof? -Corruption (logged in = 0)
:The toothpick is too far out of the gerbil ball (in fact, it looks like it's ''completely'' outside the ball) for it not to have been an intentional style choice, which would make it not a goof. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:02, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
::I don't belive it was an exact goof, but I definitely thing it wasn't on purpose. If that makes any sense.

== Homsar laughing ==

Let me get this straight - there's an entire ARTICLE dedicated to instances of Strong Bad smiling (a fairly common occurrence), a mention of the Poopsmith singing on-screen, and heck - even a mention of Homestar making a (borderline) grammatical error, but there's no mentioning the very first time Homsar unambiguously laughs at something?

What the heck are these sections FOR if not for pointing out something noteworthy and out of the ordinary? Homsar is a character that's known for being seemingly oblivious to what's going on around him (albeit in a ambivalent sort of way), so this is a COMPLETE departure for him as a character. To suggest anything else is nothing short of absurd. The mention of this unprecedented event should stay, or at the very LEAST be put up for a vote. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 22:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:I think it's notable only if we can clearly hear him. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 23:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::I can hear him, and, to me, it sounds kind of like a more-wavering version of his "AaAaaAAaa!" — {{User:Fotoshop/sig}} 23:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::There is, however, a [[Talk:isp#There's a first time for everything|precedent for removing facts like this]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 23:09, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::::That fact says there were 2 times before when Bubs laughed a little. This fact says this is the 1st time Homsar laughed at all. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 23:14, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::From the arguments: <blockquote>"First time" facts should be reserved for truly momentous firsts. Laughing out loud is not such a first, especially when we can infer that he has laughed out loud before, albeit off camera.</blockquote> I'm taking the bit from before the "especially" as the precedent here. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 23:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::Laughter in and of itself is unremarkable (after all, the littlest, tiniest babies can laugh), so there needs to be something special about Homsar if his laughter is to be included in the article. 0rion claims that this is a complete departure of Homsar's character, which would indeed be notable if it were true. But is it?
::::::    Let's examine the underlying point. I would have no problem with the following fact: "This is the first time Homsar has had an emotional reaction in response to something another character has said," except for one thing—it's completely false. Homsar was "crying on the inside" when he was mistakenly disqualified from the Strong Sad lookalike contest in [[impression]]. Furthermore, looking at his various appearances, he is ''not'' always oblivious to what's going on (some would actually claim he [[Analysis of Homsar's speech patterns|never is]]), it's not a departure for his character (or if it is, it's not the first time such a departure occurs), and even though this is the first time we specifically see him laughing, the underlying emotional reaction is not unprecedented. Thus, this isn't a notable first. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:10, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Wow. I can't belive you people are becoming so worked up about this. Yes, this is the first time Homsar laughs on screen but seriously. this is a wiki, not a baby book. characters have laughed befor, and had no one make a note of it. I think a first laugh by a character in no where near as important as you all are making it seem. [[User:Origonalname]]

== Mazipan's Teeth'd? ==

I noticed that Marzipan's teeth show more often in this toon, as well as in [[Kick-A-Ball]]. Does this, by any chance, count as further Marzipan evolution? {{User:Religious Corn/sig}} 20:24, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

:I don't know, maybe. [[User:MICGAGUH]]
::I saw some noticeable difference in her eyes. I think Marzipan's eyes have evolved a little bit, but no her teeth. [[User:Origonalname]]

== Well shut his mouth. ==

Strong Bad says in [[Homestar Runner Presents: Presents]] "Well shut my mouth" as a phrase that seems to mean "That's something I never expected to see happen". This combined with the fact that he has never before seen having an truely shut mouth makes me wonder: Should it be noted that this is the first time Strong Bad shuts his mouth, ableit only in cartoon form? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 23:01, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

== Mixed Art Styles ==

Should it be remarked that Ted Avarill was drawn by hand and then his mouth was added later using vector art? If you zoom in, you can clearly see that everything besides his mouth is pixelated. --[[Special:Contributions/141.224.237.41|141.224.237.41]] 23:05, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== Italian Satellite (of love) ==

Is it just me or does the Italin Spy Satellite look like a winebottle in a basket?
:Well, those Italians ''do'' enjoy their wine... but no, I think it more resembles just a stereotypical satellite shape. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 06:14, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
:: http://www.anl.gov/Science_and_Technology/History/Anniversary_Frontiers/12photo.html

== Main page message ==

The font used for "cosmic rays!!" has always looked like the font for main page messages. --{{User:Fangoriously/SIGGY HERE!}} 00:52, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

== AAAAAAAHHHH! MY EYES!!!! ==

I am going to put a warning next to that "flesh eating virus" link. That was so nasty my brain threw up. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 11:08, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Career Day

Origonalname — Sat, 23 May 2009 18:41:58 GMT

Origonalname: /* Homsar laughing */

== Easter Eggs ==

Shouldn't someone include the Easter Eggs? I myself have not found any of them, but there may still be some. [[User:Chapien|chapien (approved by Homsar!)]] 18:42, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
:That's why it's not on the page. No one has found any yet, and there probably isn't any in the cartoon as of now (at least). {{User:DevonM/sig}} 18:50, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== Big Toon ==

Shouldn't it be noted that this is the first big toon since 2007? I think that's kind of improtant...
:I suppose it's a bit notable, but I'm not sure it merits a mention on the page. The gap between [[A Dumpy Tale]] and [[Weclome Back]] was similar (11 months), but is not mentioned anywhere on the pages. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 19:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

this is not a big toon
they said is wasnt one
: On the main page, before its release, sure. But the Toons menu lists it among the big toons (as in, not Shorts). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== Zoom zoom ==

Am I the only one that reminded of Rhino's hamsterball from the movie ''Bolt'' when I see Cheat in his space suit? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 01:15, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
: I was reminded of ''a'' hamster ball. But no specific ones. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:16, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::I was reminded of the gerbil ball for the gerbil my brother used to have... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:19, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:::I was reminded of the cow ball from The Far Side and the ball Bart was in in The Simpsons. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:41, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::::I have that panel on my binder. It's one good Far Side. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 03:44, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

== Cape Tedaverill? ==

There have been a couple of (admittedly poorly worded) attempts to put on the page the fact that the name Ted Averill is a play on Canaveral. I have to say I'm inclined to agree, considering the space launch connection and all. Does anyone else feel similarly? (Though I note that this is not the only place where the name appears, so I don't know if this is the best place to note it). -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.26|132.183.151.26]] 01:51, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:[[space program|The first time he appears]], it's said in such a way that no one would make the connection, so i'm inclined to say no. Also, it's a poor rhyme. If that was their intention, they could do so much better. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:53, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:I also happen to think it's a reference. The sound-alike quality is definitely more pronounced in Career Day, but I think it's clear enough in Space Program as well. I know there's no way to prove it, but I remember making that connection the first time I saw Space Program; I just never got around to checking its wiki entry.[[User:Some kind of scientist|Some kind of scientist]] 18:33, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

== McWhat Nebula? ==
I'm hearing McCow-Pie Nebula rather than McAlpine Nebula. No? It's funnier.
{{User:Funhaver}}
:I heard it as "cow pie" the first time, but after reading the transcript and listening closely, i must conclude that, sad though it may be, it's "MacAlpine." {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:45, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:I think the "Mc" and the "Al" sounds are blending together to get the "McCow" sound. It sounded somewhat like that when I watched it, too. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 03:46, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::I think it was supposed to sound like cow pie. It was really said as McAlpine, but meant to sound like cow pie.

== Buck the System ==
It's probably just because I am a huge SOAD fan, but when Strong bad said "Bucking the System" I instantly thought of the System of a Down song "F*ck the System." Anyone else think this? Just wondering if it should be on the real world references page.--[[User:Shaokahn280z|Shaokahn280z]] 19:09, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
[http://www.google.com/search?q=bucking+the+system google results] show that it's a pretty common phrase. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

== Space: Defined by Scientists as the... ==

When Strong Bad says this while in the shows the space capsule, I believe the way he says this is a refrence to "Space: The Final Frontier", from Star Trek. Should someone add this to the page as a refrence?
:I thought of it as well, but i figured it might be too vague. I'm on the fence. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::I don't think this was a reference. I think it was just a joke, and had nothing to do with Star Trek

== Blowin' in the Wind ==

A fact that's been removed from the page several times now involves the fan, which is being used similarly to in [[magic trick]]. Looks like a valid fact to me — it's basically the same joke, using the fan to make clothes blow around dramatically — but what do you say? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:39, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:Since I was the one who added the fact, I know I don't have to say I agree, but I'm gonna say it just to acknowledge your post with the other users that will be looking at the recent changes over the next hour or so :) {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 22:59, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

== whating the system? ==

Is it me, or is "Bucking the System" a reference to a cuss word?--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:53, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:It's you. As noted above in a different section, "buck the system" is a [http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/buck+the+system common phrase] with [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/buck no etymological relation] to the rhyming cuss word. -[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 20:20, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::I instantly though that as well when I first saw this. "Buck" was definatly used in a similar sence as f*. And this isn't the first time I've seen them use "Buck" instead of f*.

== Miles and miles of the spaceman styles... ==

The chin-curlies on Space Captainface's..er...face struck me as being similar to that of [http://blog.thedebianuser.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/buzz.jpg Buzz Lightyear]. Most likely a case of TTATOT, but just thought I'd throw it out there.

:I'd say either [[HrWiki:Glossary#T|TTATOT]], or just a buttchin to make him look more different.--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 23:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

:: I would agree with that; Captain Quark from the Ratchet and Clank games has the same sort of buttchin.
:::I agree. I noticed the butt chin the second I saw it.

== Toothpick through the gerbil ball ==

I noticed while watching for the 18th time today that Strap's toothpick goes through his gerbil ball... thing while in space. Why isn't this a Goof? -Corruption (logged in = 0)
:The toothpick is too far out of the gerbil ball (in fact, it looks like it's ''completely'' outside the ball) for it not to have been an intentional style choice, which would make it not a goof. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:02, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
::I don't belive it was an exact goof, but I definitely thing it wasn't on purpose. If that makes any sense.

== Homsar laughing ==

Let me get this straight - there's an entire ARTICLE dedicated to instances of Strong Bad smiling (a fairly common occurrence), a mention of the Poopsmith singing on-screen, and heck - even a mention of Homestar making a (borderline) grammatical error, but there's no mentioning the very first time Homsar unambiguously laughs at something?

What the heck are these sections FOR if not for pointing out something noteworthy and out of the ordinary? Homsar is a character that's known for being seemingly oblivious to what's going on around him (albeit in a ambivalent sort of way), so this is a COMPLETE departure for him as a character. To suggest anything else is nothing short of absurd. The mention of this unprecedented event should stay, or at the very LEAST be put up for a vote. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 22:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:I think it's notable only if we can clearly hear him. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 23:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::I can hear him, and, to me, it sounds kind of like a more-wavering version of his "AaAaaAAaa!" — {{User:Fotoshop/sig}} 23:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::There is, however, a [[Talk:isp#There's a first time for everything|precedent for removing facts like this]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 23:09, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::::That fact says there were 2 times before when Bubs laughed a little. This fact says this is the 1st time Homsar laughed at all. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 23:14, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::From the arguments: <blockquote>"First time" facts should be reserved for truly momentous firsts. Laughing out loud is not such a first, especially when we can infer that he has laughed out loud before, albeit off camera.</blockquote> I'm taking the bit from before the "especially" as the precedent here. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 23:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::Laughter in and of itself is unremarkable (after all, the littlest, tiniest babies can laugh), so there needs to be something special about Homsar if his laughter is to be included in the article. 0rion claims that this is a complete departure of Homsar's character, which would indeed be notable if it were true. But is it?
::::::    Let's examine the underlying point. I would have no problem with the following fact: "This is the first time Homsar has had an emotional reaction in response to something another character has said," except for one thing—it's completely false. Homsar was "crying on the inside" when he was mistakenly disqualified from the Strong Sad lookalike contest in [[impression]]. Furthermore, looking at his various appearances, he is ''not'' always oblivious to what's going on (some would actually claim he [[Analysis of Homsar's speech patterns|never is]]), it's not a departure for his character (or if it is, it's not the first time such a departure occurs), and even though this is the first time we specifically see him laughing, the underlying emotional reaction is not unprecedented. Thus, this isn't a notable first. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:10, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Wow. I can't belive you people are becoming so worked up about this. Yes, this is the first time Homsar laughs on screen but seriously. this is a wiki, not a baby book. characters have laughed befor, and had no one make a note of it. I think a first laugh by a character in no where near as important as you all are making it seem. [[User:Origonalname]]

== Mazipan's Teeth'd? ==

I noticed that Marzipan's teeth show more often in this toon, as well as in [[Kick-A-Ball]]. Does this, by any chance, count as further Marzipan evolution? {{User:Religious Corn/sig}} 20:24, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

:I don't know, maybe. [[User:MICGAGUH]]

== Well shut his mouth. ==

Strong Bad says in [[Homestar Runner Presents: Presents]] "Well shut my mouth" as a phrase that seems to mean "That's something I never expected to see happen". This combined with the fact that he has never before seen having an truely shut mouth makes me wonder: Should it be noted that this is the first time Strong Bad shuts his mouth, ableit only in cartoon form? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 23:01, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

== Mixed Art Styles ==

Should it be remarked that Ted Avarill was drawn by hand and then his mouth was added later using vector art? If you zoom in, you can clearly see that everything besides his mouth is pixelated. --[[Special:Contributions/141.224.237.41|141.224.237.41]] 23:05, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== Italian Satellite (of love) ==

Is it just me or does the Italin Spy Satellite look like a winebottle in a basket?
:Well, those Italians ''do'' enjoy their wine... but no, I think it more resembles just a stereotypical satellite shape. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 06:14, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
:: http://www.anl.gov/Science_and_Technology/History/Anniversary_Frontiers/12photo.html

== Main page message ==

The font used for "cosmic rays!!" has always looked like the font for main page messages. --{{User:Fangoriously/SIGGY HERE!}} 00:52, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

== AAAAAAAHHHH! MY EYES!!!! ==

I am going to put a warning next to that "flesh eating virus" link. That was so nasty my brain threw up. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 11:08, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Career Day

Origonalname — Sat, 23 May 2009 18:41:16 GMT

Origonalname: /* Homsar laughing */

== Easter Eggs ==

Shouldn't someone include the Easter Eggs? I myself have not found any of them, but there may still be some. [[User:Chapien|chapien (approved by Homsar!)]] 18:42, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
:That's why it's not on the page. No one has found any yet, and there probably isn't any in the cartoon as of now (at least). {{User:DevonM/sig}} 18:50, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== Big Toon ==

Shouldn't it be noted that this is the first big toon since 2007? I think that's kind of improtant...
:I suppose it's a bit notable, but I'm not sure it merits a mention on the page. The gap between [[A Dumpy Tale]] and [[Weclome Back]] was similar (11 months), but is not mentioned anywhere on the pages. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 19:59, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

this is not a big toon
they said is wasnt one
: On the main page, before its release, sure. But the Toons menu lists it among the big toons (as in, not Shorts). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:36, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

== Zoom zoom ==

Am I the only one that reminded of Rhino's hamsterball from the movie ''Bolt'' when I see Cheat in his space suit? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 01:15, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
: I was reminded of ''a'' hamster ball. But no specific ones. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:16, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::I was reminded of the gerbil ball for the gerbil my brother used to have... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:19, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:::I was reminded of the cow ball from The Far Side and the ball Bart was in in The Simpsons. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:41, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::::I have that panel on my binder. It's one good Far Side. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 03:44, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

== Cape Tedaverill? ==

There have been a couple of (admittedly poorly worded) attempts to put on the page the fact that the name Ted Averill is a play on Canaveral. I have to say I'm inclined to agree, considering the space launch connection and all. Does anyone else feel similarly? (Though I note that this is not the only place where the name appears, so I don't know if this is the best place to note it). -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.26|132.183.151.26]] 01:51, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:[[space program|The first time he appears]], it's said in such a way that no one would make the connection, so i'm inclined to say no. Also, it's a poor rhyme. If that was their intention, they could do so much better. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:53, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:I also happen to think it's a reference. The sound-alike quality is definitely more pronounced in Career Day, but I think it's clear enough in Space Program as well. I know there's no way to prove it, but I remember making that connection the first time I saw Space Program; I just never got around to checking its wiki entry.[[User:Some kind of scientist|Some kind of scientist]] 18:33, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

== McWhat Nebula? ==
I'm hearing McCow-Pie Nebula rather than McAlpine Nebula. No? It's funnier.
{{User:Funhaver}}
:I heard it as "cow pie" the first time, but after reading the transcript and listening closely, i must conclude that, sad though it may be, it's "MacAlpine." {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:45, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
:I think the "Mc" and the "Al" sounds are blending together to get the "McCow" sound. It sounded somewhat like that when I watched it, too. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 03:46, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
::I think it was supposed to sound like cow pie. It was really said as McAlpine, but meant to sound like cow pie.

== Buck the System ==
It's probably just because I am a huge SOAD fan, but when Strong bad said "Bucking the System" I instantly thought of the System of a Down song "F*ck the System." Anyone else think this? Just wondering if it should be on the real world references page.--[[User:Shaokahn280z|Shaokahn280z]] 19:09, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
[http://www.google.com/search?q=bucking+the+system google results] show that it's a pretty common phrase. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:28, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

== Space: Defined by Scientists as the... ==

When Strong Bad says this while in the shows the space capsule, I believe the way he says this is a refrence to "Space: The Final Frontier", from Star Trek. Should someone add this to the page as a refrence?
:I thought of it as well, but i figured it might be too vague. I'm on the fence. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:56, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::I don't think this was a reference. I think it was just a joke, and had nothing to do with Star Trek

== Blowin' in the Wind ==

A fact that's been removed from the page several times now involves the fan, which is being used similarly to in [[magic trick]]. Looks like a valid fact to me — it's basically the same joke, using the fan to make clothes blow around dramatically — but what do you say? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:39, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:Since I was the one who added the fact, I know I don't have to say I agree, but I'm gonna say it just to acknowledge your post with the other users that will be looking at the recent changes over the next hour or so :) {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 22:59, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

== whating the system? ==

Is it me, or is "Bucking the System" a reference to a cuss word?--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 19:53, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
:It's you. As noted above in a different section, "buck the system" is a [http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/buck+the+system common phrase] with [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/buck no etymological relation] to the rhyming cuss word. -[[User:Alun Clewe|Alun Clewe]] 20:20, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
::I instantly though that as well when I first saw this. "Buck" was definatly used in a similar sence as f*. And this isn't the first time I've seen them use "Buck" instead of f*.

== Miles and miles of the spaceman styles... ==

The chin-curlies on Space Captainface's..er...face struck me as being similar to that of [http://blog.thedebianuser.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/buzz.jpg Buzz Lightyear]. Most likely a case of TTATOT, but just thought I'd throw it out there.

:I'd say either [[HrWiki:Glossary#T|TTATOT]], or just a buttchin to make him look more different.--[[User:T3H CH3K7 888|T3H_CH3K7_888]] 23:42, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

:: I would agree with that; Captain Quark from the Ratchet and Clank games has the same sort of buttchin.
:::I agree. I noticed the butt chin the second I saw it.

== Toothpick through the gerbil ball ==

I noticed while watching for the 18th time today that Strap's toothpick goes through his gerbil ball... thing while in space. Why isn't this a Goof? -Corruption (logged in = 0)
:The toothpick is too far out of the gerbil ball (in fact, it looks like it's ''completely'' outside the ball) for it not to have been an intentional style choice, which would make it not a goof. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:02, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
::I don't belive it was an exact goof, but I definitely thing it wasn't on purpose. If that makes any sense.

== Homsar laughing ==

Let me get this straight - there's an entire ARTICLE dedicated to instances of Strong Bad smiling (a fairly common occurrence), a mention of the Poopsmith singing on-screen, and heck - even a mention of Homestar making a (borderline) grammatical error, but there's no mentioning the very first time Homsar unambiguously laughs at something?

What the heck are these sections FOR if not for pointing out something noteworthy and out of the ordinary? Homsar is a character that's known for being seemingly oblivious to what's going on around him (albeit in a ambivalent sort of way), so this is a COMPLETE departure for him as a character. To suggest anything else is nothing short of absurd. The mention of this unprecedented event should stay, or at the very LEAST be put up for a vote. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 22:59, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:I think it's notable only if we can clearly hear him. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 23:05, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::I can hear him, and, to me, it sounds kind of like a more-wavering version of his "AaAaaAAaa!" — {{User:Fotoshop/sig}} 23:08, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::There is, however, a [[Talk:isp#There's a first time for everything|precedent for removing facts like this]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 23:09, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::::That fact says there were 2 times before when Bubs laughed a little. This fact says this is the 1st time Homsar laughed at all. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 23:14, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::From the arguments: <blockquote>"First time" facts should be reserved for truly momentous firsts. Laughing out loud is not such a first, especially when we can infer that he has laughed out loud before, albeit off camera.</blockquote> I'm taking the bit from before the "especially" as the precedent here. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 23:17, 15 March 2009 (UTC)
::::::Laughter in and of itself is unremarkable (after all, the littlest, tiniest babies can laugh), so there needs to be something special about Homsar if his laughter is to be included in the article. 0rion claims that this is a complete departure of Homsar's character, which would indeed be notable if it were true. But is it?
::::::    Let's examine the underlying point. I would have no problem with the following fact: "This is the first time Homsar has had an emotional reaction in response to something another character has said," except for one thing—it's completely false. Homsar was "crying on the inside" when he was mistakenly disqualified from the Strong Sad lookalike contest in [[impression]]. Furthermore, looking at his various appearances, he is ''not'' always oblivious to what's going on (some would actually claim he [[Analysis of Homsar's speech patterns|never is]]), it's not a departure for his character (or if it is, it's not the first time such a departure occurs), and even though this is the first time we specifically see him laughing, the underlying emotional reaction is not unprecedented. Thus, this isn't a notable first. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:10, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::::Wow. I can't belive you people are becoming so worked up about this. Yes, this is the first time Homsar laughs on screen but seriously. this is a wiki, not a baby book. characters have laughed befor, and had no one make a note of it. I think a first laugh by a charecter in no where near as important as you all a re making it seem. [[User:Origonalname]]

== Mazipan's Teeth'd? ==

I noticed that Marzipan's teeth show more often in this toon, as well as in [[Kick-A-Ball]]. Does this, by any chance, count as further Marzipan evolution? {{User:Religious Corn/sig}} 20:24, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

:I don't know, maybe. [[User:MICGAGUH]]

== Well shut his mouth. ==

Strong Bad says in [[Homestar Runner Presents: Presents]] "Well shut my mouth" as a phrase that seems to mean "That's something I never expected to see happen". This combined with the fact that he has never before seen having an truely shut mouth makes me wonder: Should it be noted that this is the first time Strong Bad shuts his mouth, ableit only in cartoon form? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 23:01, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

== Mixed Art Styles ==

Should it be remarked that Ted Avarill was drawn by hand and then his mouth was added later using vector art? If you zoom in, you can clearly see that everything besides his mouth is pixelated. --[[Special:Contributions/141.224.237.41|141.224.237.41]] 23:05, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

== Italian Satellite (of love) ==

Is it just me or does the Italin Spy Satellite look like a winebottle in a basket?
:Well, those Italians ''do'' enjoy their wine... but no, I think it more resembles just a stereotypical satellite shape. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 06:14, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
:: http://www.anl.gov/Science_and_Technology/History/Anniversary_Frontiers/12photo.html

== Main page message ==

The font used for "cosmic rays!!" has always looked like the font for main page messages. --{{User:Fangoriously/SIGGY HERE!}} 00:52, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

== AAAAAAAHHHH! MY EYES!!!! ==

I am going to put a warning next to that "flesh eating virus" link. That was so nasty my brain threw up. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 11:08, 23 May 2009 (UTC)