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Lappy 486

PureQuestion — Tue, 09 Sep 2008 19:55:51 GMT

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[[Image:sbemail119.PNG|right|thumb|"Now that is a classy start-up noise!"]]
[[Image:Lappy logo.PNG|right|thumb|The Lappy's logo.]]

The '''Lappy 486''' is [[Strong Bad]]'s third and current computer, manufactured by [[Compy, Inc]]. It utilizes a more modern email client that includes a subject line, a reply panel, and the following easy-access buttons: Reply, Forward, Delete, Save, Computer, and Image. (Delete, Save, Computer, and Image are usually hidden behind Strong Bad's head.) However, all of it disappears when Strong Bad clears the screen to continue typing.

The Lappy seems to be Strong Bad's favorite computer to date, as evidenced by how highly he speaks of it in [[animal]]. Strong Bad describes its startup noise as "classy" (though his attempt to repeat it is out of tune).

In [[animal]], it is revealed that the Lappy is male, as Strong Bad says, "Let's see if this bad boy can check some emails," and tells [[The Paper]] to "come and meet [his] new brother". Despite this, the Lappy tends to appear in [[#Female Lappy 486|female form]] much more often.

In addition to the usual [[DELETED!]] feature, the Lappy can also flash a "DO OVER!!" screen with an explosion effect, as seen in [[do over]].

Despite its excessive weight, Strong Bad has been seen carrying it on various occasions.

==Quick Facts==
[[Image:Lappybackside.png|right|thumb|The back of the Lappy 486 from [[isp]].]]
'''Debut:''' First seen in "[[animal]]." First mentioned by [[The Brothers Chaps]] in the "[[invisibility]]" [[strongbad_email.exe|DVD]] commentary.

'''Interactive Feature:''' Clicking on the Lappy's screen simulates the effect seen on LCD Monitors: applied force moves the liquid inside (a Liquid Crystal Display), causing a "wave" of distorted colors. Whenever the Lappy 486 is seen in an email or toon, the screen can be clicked to get the effect that is similar on most LCD flat panel monitors. The circle matches the color of what is in the reflection (i.e. red for Strong Bad's head, green for Strong Bad's eyes, etc.). If you hold the mouse button or move it slightly while clicking the Lappy's screen, the effect won't move with the mouse; it will go away if you leave its circle of effect. This is also Strong Bad's first computer without contrast buttons besides the Polish [[Block]].

'''[[Font]]:''' [[Fonts#Glitch0|Glitch0]]

'''[[Wikipedia:Aspect ratio (image)|Screen Ratio]]:''' 1.67:1 (width:height) or 5:3, as opposed to a normal screen of 1.3:1 (4:3), a high-definition screen of 1.78:1 (16:9), and a widescreen of 1.85:1.

'''Emails checked on the computer so far:''' 81

==Features==
[[Image:Strong Bad Email 119.png|right|thumb|The Lappy 486's horribly outdated features.]]
*42 pounds!! (19 kilograms—"Extremely portable" according to Strong Bad in [[animal]]; he later describes it as "allegedly portable" in [[technology]].)
*2MB Hard Drive! (Later said to be 5MB, as of [[retirement]])
*"Several" Color Monitor
*Warning: Five Minute Battery Life (Strong Bad said it is "One half of ten minutes"—evidence shown in [[part-time job]])
**In [[Homestar Ruiner]], Strong Bad claims the Lappy's battery takes five to seven business days to fully charge ("The Lappy don't charge on weekends.")
*512K RAM (0.5 MB)
*"Finally, a computer for your lap!"—Compy
*Although never mentioned, the Lappy may support a wireless internet connection. In [[part-time job]], [[isp]], [[Happy Dethemberween]], [[licensed]], [[rated]], and [[your edge]], it can be seen that Strong Bad does not use the Lappy's Ethernet socket.
*In the email [[environment]], claims made about the Lappy include:
**Every time the "enter" key is pressed, everyone else in town will temporarily lose electricity.
**When the Lappy runs on battery power, 45 acres of rainforest are burned to the ground.

==Colors==
[[Image:lappyemail.png|right|thumb|Lappy 486's email client.]]
The screen boasts "several" colors in the email [[animal]]. The number of colors present suggest that the Lappy 486 uses at least a VGA display.

:*'''Black:''' background color
:*'''White:''' text
:*'''Blue:''' email client title bar, shortcut keys, and rolling over emails titles on the menu, [[Edgar#Edgar's Baby's Daddy|Edgar's Baby's Daddy]]
:*'''Magenta:''' (pink) Lappy 486 logo
:*'''Dark Magenta:''' Lappy 486 logo (outline of magenta)
:*'''Cyan:''' (aqua) Lappy 486 logo, [[mini-golf]]
:*'''Dark Cyan:''' Lappy 486 logo (outline of cyan)
:*'''Yellow:''' Lappy 486 logo
:*'''Dark Yellow:''' Lappy 486 logo (outline of yellow)
:*'''Gold:''' encore Easter egg in the email [[rock opera]]
:*'''Puke Green:''' "bread sing-alongs" in the email [[origins]]
:*'''Red:''' new emails, [[do over]], Edgar's Baby's Daddy, [[mini-golf]]
:*'''Dark Red:''' Edgar's Baby's Daddy (outline of red)
:*'''Peach:''' [[Edgar#Edga Jr.|Edga Jr.]]'s face, and [[Trogdor]]'s beefy arm in [[concert]]
:*'''Orange:''' Edga Jr.'s hair, [[mini-golf]]
:*'''Sky blue:''' Edga Jr.'s shirt
:*'''Gray:''' scrollbar color, Edga Jr. picture table outline
:*'''Salmon:''' the words 'a girl', 'really', and 'relatively' in [[bottom 10]]
:*'''Dark Green:''' the "de" words in [[death metal]], and Trogdor's body in [[concert]]
:*'''Video colors:''' the explosion effect in [[do over]], the webcam in [[death metal]]
:*'''Cream:''' the computer on the downloading screen in [[isp]]
:*'''Light Brown:''' the "not really break dancing" rat, also in [[isp]]
:*'''Teal:''' The background of the "Teal Screen of Near Death" in [[retirement]]
:*'''Turquoise:''' 'flavored water' in [[rough copy]]

==Programs==
[[Image:sbemail lappy2.png|right|thumb|Strong Bad checks his email.]]
Some of the programs Strong Bad has on the Lappy 486, most of which are started by typing the filename only after the prompt:

*'''strongbad_email.exe''' — (Used in emails 119-current except for [[secret identity|email 142 (secret identity)]] (see below), [[retirement|email 159 (retirement)]], which had two emails checked on the Tandy and the Compy, and [[from work|email 169 (from work)]] which was checked on the [[Corpy NT6]].)
*'''run "Edga Jr."''' ([[long pants]]) — filters emails with indents
*'''run "webcam"''' ([[death metal]]) — initiates live video chat with [[Larry Palaroncini]]
*'''strongbad_email.wad''' ([[secret identity]]) — Strong Bad inexplicably types this to access his email (DOS usually does not recognize WAD files as executables).
*'''screen_savior.exe''' ([[technology]]) — runs an infinitely repeating 3D Maze screensaver with poor graphics
*'''Edgar's Baby's Daddy''' (filename unknown) ([[candy product]]) — Filters emails from [[Homestar Runner]]
*'''karatecar.exe''' ([[the movies]]) — an [[ASCII art]] movie played on the Lappy's screen
*'''strongbad3Dtotal.wad''' ([[SBCG4AP Advertisement]]) — A simple 3D game featuring Strong Bad and Homestar.
*Some type of voice synthesizer.
*'''CG4AP101.wad''' ([[Homestar Ruiner]]'s Wii Channel) — displays the logo for Homestar Ruiner, and flashes up a "PRESS START" notice after a couple of seconds. Presumably also used for Strong Bad to run the game.
*'''other_gems.exe''' and '''more_other_gems.exe''' ([[being mean]]) — displays other emails this email's sender, Nice Dad, has sent.

==The Real Computer==
[[Image:Real-Live E-Mails_Disc4.JPG|thumb|The "real" Lappy, as seen in [[Real-Live E-Mails]].]]
The 486 was actually a [[Wikipedia:Intel 80486|real processor made by Intel]]. It was quite similar to the 386 processor from a software standpoint, but was considerably faster.

The Lappy seems to be inspired by the [http://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=1005 Mac Portable], a 16-pound transportable Macintosh that sold poorly.

The "real" Lappy (pictured) is an old Compaq LTE series laptop.

The Lappy 486's prompt, a closing square bracket, was also used by the Apple II series of computers, although MS-DOS could be configured to produce this prompt.

==Lappy-napping==
[[Image:Computers in harmony.png|thumb|"I coulda sworn one of you guys liked hushpuppies."]]
At the end of [[cliffhangers]], the Lappy was stolen. The perpetrators left behind a ransom note stating "i got your Lappy" along with the Lappy's severed "toe" (the "< ," key). After searching for his missing computer in [[Lappynapped!]], Strong Bad discovered that the [[Tandy 400]] and the [[Compy 386]] had kidnapped the Lappy so that he would answer one last email on each of them. Strong Bad answered the Tandy's and the Compy's last emails in [[retirement]], and in the process destroyed both of them and retrieved the Lappy. Strong Bad took his favorite "portable" computer out to get hushpuppies with the restored, at-peace ghosts of the two other computers and [[The Paper]] following along in harmony.

==Female Lappy 486==
[[Image:female_lappy_486.png|thumb|Strong Bad's looking prooty hot.]]
The Female Lappy 486 appears in Strong Bad's dream email in [[dreamail]]. She's basically the Lappy 486 logo with blonde hair and makeup. She appears when Strong Bad starts up the Lappy, telling him that he's "looking prooty hot". Female Lappy 486 fawns over Strong Bad for his reply to an e-mail ("Well played, Strong Bad. Those ladies are sure to be [[all up ons]]."). After Strong Bad flies away at the end of the e-mail, she appears in an Easter egg, telling Strong Bad not to fly, that's she's worried about him, and that she can see the strings which are holding him above ground. Apparently, she seems to rely on Strong Bad.

The monitor of Female Lappy 486 is bordered with a gold chain bearing the phrase, "MY LAPPY ATE YOUR DOG" inscribed on top.

It has since then appeared on the normal Lappy, suggesting that it is an actual feature of it.

Female Lappy 486 frequently makes [[Malapropisms|spelling]] and [[Deliberately poor English|grammar]] mistakes, such as "prooty hot", "one unread messages", "is understairs", "I'm hate hushpuppies", and "tell whim I love", and speaks with a voice that sounds somewhat like a computer [[Wikipedia:Speech synthesis|voice synthesizer]].

===Appearances===
*'''Debut:''' Email [[dreamail]]
*Email [[rock opera]] (voice)
*[[strongbad_email.exe Disc Four]] Main Menu
*[[Sbemail 150?!?]]
*[[Lappynapped!]]
*Email [[retirement]] (voice)
*[[strongbad email.exe Disc Five]] Main Menu

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Talk:Date Nite

PureQuestion — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 23:26:02 GMT

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== What about a SECRET Hot Date ==

Is there a connection between the "secret hot date" Cardboard Marzipan invited the Cheat on and the "hot date" they actually went on? Is the fact that there are fireworks in both of the cartoons relevant? {{unsigned|75.85.125.208|22:58, 23 April 2007}}
:Might even mention the end of [[do over]] in relation to this too. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 06:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

:Yeah, there's definitely been a pattern here. also note the "who's making out with marzipan" line from the cheat's theme song. that was probably the first lead in, or whatever --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]]
Also peculiar that Marzipan doesn't seem to mind The Cheat's small talk about two Ira's, after being annoyed by Homestar's two Sid's in [[date]]. [[User:61.149.38.114|61.149.38.114]] 13:12, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:Well, Homestar was playing a stupid, boring game that she had no hope of winning. The Cheat was actually holding a conversation. -[[User:Wrath|Wrath]]
::The "Making out with Marzipan" thing was a reference to the [[Homestar Talker]] game. The original wining phrase was "Making out with Marzipan is totally awesome." {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 04:04, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

== Irony ==

Is it worth mentioning that Strong Bad proposes that they drown the Cheat and Marzipan, but in the end it is Homestar and Strong Bad who are drowned? {{unsigned|75.85.125.208|22:58, 23 April 2007}}

:That's along the lines of explaining the joke, something not normally done around here unless it's rather obscure. Also, please sign your talk page posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>){{User:Bassbone/sig}} 07:20, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

== Public Rage-o flyer ==

The broken glasses could be a play off of the glasses Ira Glass wears. (They look quite similar) Anyone else think so? -Cappy Red [[User:68.5.95.211|68.5.95.211]] 08:32, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, I thought the same thing. Weird when you see radio people on TV. It's always like "I don't know what I would have expected him to look like, but it just ain't that." {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 08:58, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
::Yes, the first rule of thumb for all radio personalities is to [[:Image:deadlypallor.png|look]] absolutely nothing like how they sound. =3 {{User:Trey56/sig}} 08:59, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Oh yeah, forgot we'd already had a lesson on that. Glass actually comes ''close'' to what you'd (I'd) expect him to look like, but just not quite. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 09:11, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Truly, he looks just different enough so as to throw you off. It's like he has his own personal [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley uncanny valley] ;¬) -Cappy Red [[User:68.5.95.211|68.5.95.211]] 15:23, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

== 8-Bit resemblence ==

i'm not suggesting anybody uses this, but does any one else notice any echoes of Black Mage from 8-bit theater in Strong Bad when he's discussing the drowning of Marzipan and the Cheat? especially the "Explain to me how drowning them wouldn't ruin their date" line. it's funny, but that's just me.
--[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]]
:Strong Bad always sounds like that. [[User:Wrath|Wrath]]

Heh, that is totally something BM would say. [[User:The makuta|The makuta]] 13:47, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a combonation of BM and Bob from Bob and George. But mostly BM. [[User:The Magic Pixel|The Magic Pixel]] 15:19, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

== Mario ==

I obviously thought of Mario when Strong Bad said "Itsa me, the chef-a", but I don't know if it's really that clear. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 09:51, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:Mario has a bad Italian accent too, yes. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 09:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:One of Mario's catchphrases is "It's-a me! Mario!" I thought of Mario as well. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 10:06, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
::Stereotypical Italian, probably. I thought it was Mario as well, but an Italian seems more practical. --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 10:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Shockingly, Mario ''is'' Italian. and we know TBC are nintendo guys, i'd expect them to have had mario in the front of their minds as a role model for a fake-italian accent --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]]
::::I immediately thought of Mario. It brought me back to my N64 days. The startup screen..."Itsa me! Mario! *doo doo doo doo doo doo* Hello!" --[[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 22:03, 24 Apr 2007 (UTC)
:::::Methinks it's a stereotypical Italian chef. Not Mario. It's POSSIBLE, but I doubt it. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 02:12, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::Not possible. It's stereotyped Italian, just as Mario is. If it's like Mario, it's stereotypical Italian, and is no ref to Mario. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:15, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Mario is not the only Italian in the world. He's not even the only Italian stereotype. Have you forgotten [[Wikipedia:List_of_recurring_characters_from_The_Simpsons#Luigi_Risotto|Luigi]]? The one on the Simpsons, not Mario's brother! --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 03:55, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::::My opinion: I think a reference to Mario. My username may play a part in this, though. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:54, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::I didn't think of Mario at all when I first watched this, and my initial reaction to the idea was that it is only a play on the stereotype. But I did a few [http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&q=%22it%27sa+me%22&btnG=Google+Search google] [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22it%27s-a-me%22&btnG=Search searches] and an overwhelming majority of the results pertain to Mario, often the N64 incarnation of the game. I'm still hesitant, but now I'm not as sure.{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 16:30, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

The reason I thought of Mario was because of the "Itsa me ***" format. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 04:10, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Speaking as an IP address, I probably don't have much clout, but I'd definitely say Mario reference. Stereotypical italians don't say "Itsa Me!" Only Mario does. [[User:129.64.141.43|129.64.141.43]] 16:06, 25 April 2007 (UTC) (oh, and this image code thing is disgusting, I normally can get these things no problem, but this is just like paint splatters)

:(129.64.141.43, I replied [[User talk:129.64.141.43|here]]) This one's a tough call, but I'm leaning toward it being a reference to Mario here. The discussion is so evenly split, I think that [[HRWiki:STUFF|STUFF]] would be helpful here — I'll get one started. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

::Okay, [[#Thank you, chef! But our reference is in another castle.|here it is]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:54, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I also thought of Mario right away, but that doesn't mean that that's what TBC were thinking of when they wrote the cartoon. --[[User:Lux Acerbus|Lux Acerbus]] 01:25, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

== Another Reference to Coach Z thinking he's a woman ==

The curlers on Coach Z's head and the rolling pin he's holding seems to be another reference to Coach Z thinking he's a woman, the other being when he said he was a mom in an easter egg at the end of Sbemail #129 Garage Sale.
:I think it's unwise to assume that Coach is conscientiously pretending to be a woman. Can't TBC just stick him in the cartoon to make a final punchline with no strings attached? —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 16:41, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
::Right now the page suggests that Coach Z is a "mom" in this cartoon. He is clearly displaying characteristics of a woman (certain attitude, curlers, rolling pin), but there is no indication that he is acting like a "mom" (a particular kind of woman). [[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 17:39, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I think he's acting like a wife. I mean, that's just such a classic image in television and movies. I don't know if he's doing it on purpose or if he just has a complex, though. Personally, I was thinking OTP. [[User:Wrath|Wrath]]
::::I think he's being portrayed as a mother. Mabye he's actually a girl. We have no way of knowing if he is or not. He may actually be Bubs' mother. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:41, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::Oh my. That would be quite the interesting development...--[[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 22:04, 24 Apr 2007 (UTC)
::::Believe it or not, there are some men who wear curlers (I'm involved in the dance world :P). Though I agree it's more than likely a joke that he's playing a mom. Nothin' serious. Coach Z has always been weird. [[User:Coveredinharmony|CoveredinSuudzu]] 15:29, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::We have, after all, established that he has more than two problems. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:38, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::I agree that Coach Z is acting like a wife, but it's not implying that he and Bubz are gay. I think it was more of a joke to get the viewers to really crack up. ~[[User:HideAndSeek|HideAndSeek]]
:::::::HideAndSeek hit the nail on the head. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 17:34, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
[[Image:Lockhorn Comic.PNG|thumb|Another rolling pin-wielding housewife]]
:Just as a note, this isn't the first time that a rolling pin has been used as a prop for a stereotypical housewife (see right). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:32, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

== Going down with the ship ==

Is the fact that Homestar and Strong Bad are singing the national anthem as their 'ship' goes down a reference to anything? It seems familiar to me, but I don't know where from... {{User:Kahteh/sig}} 11:20, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:I thought of [[Wikipedia:RMS Titanic|Titanic]] when I first saw it. The orchestra on the ship continued playing as the ship was sinking. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 11:27, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
::I thought of that Looney Toons with Nero and Yosemite Sam as a Roman centurion and the pillar slowly falling while Nero plays Taps on a violin. Maybe something like that inspired them. [[User:Elvis|Uhuh huh. Thankyaveramuch.]] 12:39, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I think Elvis got it. This "going down with the ship" thing seems very cartoony. Looney Toony. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 16:45, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:Okay bear with me a second. I've never actually seen the Hunt for Red October, so I'm getting this from my mom. In order to hijack the Red October and go to America, they took it out on the maiden voyage. The part of the crew that was in on the plot arranged a fake nuclear explosion and forced the rest of the crew off the sub. That part of the crew was standing on an American ship when the fake explosion occurred, and they sang the Russian national anthem while the Red October "sank". I think that's the reference the Brothers Chaps were going for. -[[User:Wrath|Wrath]]
::Could be that too. You never know for sure what they are thinking. I say we shouldn't try to pinpoint this as a solid reference to anything in particular. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 19:09, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Except they don't sing the anthem as the ship goes down. The Russians stand on the deck of the rescuing American ship, silent and mournfully removing their caps, staring at the sea. They sing it much earlier in the film, when they first engage the [[Wikipedia:Magnetohydrodynamic drive|caterpillar drive]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:39, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
::::It's actually another sub that explodes. The Russian Anthem does play at the end of the movie IIRC. It's close, but I wouldn't call it a reference.{{User:NFITC1/sig}} 13:56, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::They didn't know it was another sub, of course. At the end, it's not the Russian anthem, but a reprise of the main theme of the movie. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:23, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
:I fail to see how this is cartoony. It's a common motif, not a reference to anything in particular.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 21:58, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:It could be a reference to most cartoons, which sing/plays [[Wikipedia:Taps|Taps]] as their ship sinks. - {{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}
Mind, I don't think it should be in the article, but for the record, I thought the same thing. "Hm, Red October reference, singing a national anthem..." —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:39, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Who put the whole Titanic thing in there? I see no similarity. I believe it's already mentioned in the article that sailors often sing their national anthem as they go down with their ship, the Titanic wasn't a military vessel, there are no panicking passengers for Homestar and Strong Bad to soothe with their music (as the musicians on the Titanic were trying to do by continuing to play), and neither of them is using an instrument, nor were the musicians on the Titanic singing. Barely any similarity. I think this needs to be removed. --[[User:Lux Acerbus|Lux Acerbus]] 04:47, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:Just for the record, I agree (and I see that it's now been {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Date_Nite&curid=34045&diff=450885&oldid=450878 removed}}). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:53, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

== Rockets ==

In the inside references section it mentions the part in SBIIJC where the bang was all that was needed. Wouldn't the fathoom be necessary in this case, considering without it Homestar and Strong Bad would just blow up? [[User:Elvis|Elvis]] 12:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Yea, I noticed the same thing. From what I can tell, they want the fathoom so that they fire towards Marzipan and The Cheat. I'm changing it. [[User:The makuta|The makuta]] 13:59, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

== Fundraising weeks ==

How many local NPR stations are having their drives this week? I know it is in Jacksonville, FL.
:Why are you asking this? What relativity does it have to Homestar Runner? Why didn't you sign your post? --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
::Because the Easter egg is about public radio fundraising drives, during the same time that many NPR stations are having fundraising drives. That's why. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:24, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I didn't read the easter egg. It just seemed really out of the blue. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:09, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
::::I'd say the fact doesn't belong. There is no official schedule that I'm aware of for fund raising on public radio, so each week could be a fundraising week for some station. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:13, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::Don't read it, watch it! {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 04:07, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::Huh? What am I not supposed to read and supposed to watch? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:49, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::That was a reply to Jangles' "I didn't read the easter egg."{{User:Loafing/sig}} 02:50, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

== FUN Facts. FUN ==
How is this piece of trivia a Fun fact? "Marzipan strokes her right eye with mascara 18 times." I'm pretty sure it isn't. [[User:63.229.175.33|63.229.175.33]] 14:40, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:Good point. I've deleted it- maybe whoever put it there would mind explaining why it's of interest? {{User:Kahteh/sig}} 15:13, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
::oh, you know, just in case someone wanted to be able to say that they apply makeup just like marzipan does or something --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]]

== Squared Circle ==
The Squared Circle is a term used in Professional Wrestling, because unlike the actual sport, where they wrestle within a circle, the entertainment version takes place in a square ring, hence, square instead of circle.

or maybe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squaring_the_circle ?

== Differnet ==
Is it just me, or did this toon seem... I dunno... different than the older ones somehow? Did TBC use a different engine to make it or something?--[[User:68.53.87.6|68.53.87.6]]
:Looks like Flash to me. Maybe they upgraded the program or something. [[User:Wrath|Wrath]]
:Maybe you're not used to the style used (as in it's night, romance, fancy resteraunts, etc.).-{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}
Yer probably right Zerlock. After all, most toons are in the day.--[[User:68.53.87.6|68.53.87.6]]

== Marzipan's house ==

I'm pretty sure Homestar and Marzipan live together now. [[User:130.91.36.229|130.91.36.229]] 17:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:DVD Commentary on [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]]:
:<blockquote>'''MATT:''' Dude, I don't want to hint at any cohabitation here, okay?</blockquote>
:--[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 19:14, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
::Although they probably don't, alot of things hint at it, such as the "stay home running in place" (Homestar was jogging at Marzy's house) and the "Marzipan, I'm home!" from [[your funeral]]. But, of couse, the above quote dispells all. {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}} 20:14, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:::So, [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]] was what, three years ago? They sure do seem to live together now, though. [[User:76.99.53.18|76.99.53.18]] 22:51, 24 April 2007 (UTC) (Same guy, different IP address.)
::::That commentary was recorded last summer. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 04:57, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
FYI: Homestar has his own house. Weren't you looking hard enough? Jeez! - '''Unknown'''

== Strong Bad, Nice? ==

Is it just me, or is strong bad being a friend towards homestar? isn't that out of character?
:Strong Bad can be civil when he wants. Besides, they had a common goal. I admit, it was a little 'Bwuh?', though. [[User:Wrath|Wrath]]
::The common goal between Homestar and Strong Bad is what made this toon stand out. And quite nicely too. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 19:16, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I've seen this before in cartoons. [[Wikipedia:The Fairly Oddparents|Fairly Oddparents]], for one. Timmy and Remy were both mad at Cupid in one episode, so they truced (even though they are enemies) to "kill" him (or at least seriously injure him, that gorrilla looked an''gry'') --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:30, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Maybe to make it so you don't have to have watched that episode to know what it's about, I'll reference [[Wikipedia:The Jimmy Timmy Power Hour 2: When Nerds Collide|this episode]], in which Jimmy and Timmy team up to make it so the anti-faires (and later Professor Calamitous) don't take over the world. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

== A little gay...==

Don't be mad at me or anything, but dosen't it seem the SB and TC are...(ugh). I mean, Homestar was mad at Marzi because she is going out with another man and she is his girlfriend, but SB was mad at TC for the same reason, making TC his...Boyfriend?!? -A little confused, {{User:HeyMama/sig}} 04:32 pm, Tuesday, April 24th.
:Strong Bad 1. Hates Marzipan and B. Is TC's best friend. Of course he's angry. It's Coach Z we should be worried about though :P {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}} 20:37, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
::Well, personally, I don't know why that would be worrying. On the other hand, this is really a discussion for the forum.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:39, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

No. Strong Bad hates Marzipan. The gay relationship we should worry about is Strong Mad and The Cheat.{{unsigned|Tgcdse|15:50, 25 April 2007}}
::What Loafing said.{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 22:53, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
:::This thread is veering out of talk page appropriateness but let me state that in no way would I buy for a second that TBC are ever going to present their characters in any relationship other than goofy, dysfunctional ones. Not that we need to "worry" about a gay relationship in the first place, but it's as close to a certainty as anything is in this world that TBC are not intending their characters to be gay. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:47, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
:it might be worrisome that TBC might be introducing gay themes to HR.com. Isn't that the entire point of HeyMama's post? I might be able to ignore your politically correct notions that homosexuality is normal if you didn't feel the need to lecture people about it and then complain that the discussion is inappropriate. If you truly thought it was inappropriate you wouldn't engage in it yourselves, but merely say "this is inappropriate." But that urge to add your viewpoint on homosexuality to the thread is just too strong to pass up, isn't it? My guess is that TBC leave gay themes out of HR.com because it ''isn't'' normal and it offends a lot of people. [[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 07:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::This is inappropriate. You have now ''both'' given in to the urge to state your personal viewpoints. This thread is not material to the content of the article, so, per our talk page policy, please stop using it for discussion. You or anyone else is certainly welcome to continue this subject, so long as it's not here. As it has been repeatedly suggested, our forum is one such venue where you can go to talk about it if you so desire. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 08:07, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Sad's voice ==

Is it just me, or does Strong Sad's voice sound suddenly different? Deeper or something. [[User:Ekul|Ekul]] 21:39, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
*Yes, Strong Sad's voice and character have been evolving a bit lately. Just this year, he's already been physicially violent toward Strong Bad (Rough Copy) and smiled willingly (Looking Old) before that. Nothing particularly unusual about it, though, as this sort of evolution happens with all of the characters from time to time. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 08:57, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

== Title Card ==
Is this the only toon, other than [[Summer Short Shorts]], that has a title card in it?--[[User:SDSpivey|SDSpivey]] 21:47, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:Ummm...what do you mean by Title Card?? --{{User:NevaDie/sig}} 21:56, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia:Title card|title card]] is a separate image of the show's title. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]] had a title card. Some of the older ones (like [[A Jorb well done]] and [[Powered by The Cheat]] cartoons) -{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}
::Speaking of title cards, should someone add that at the end of the title sequence, the 'e' falls against the title frame?[[User:Sir Vimes|Sir Vimes]] 23:38, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Every Big Toon, even from 2005-now, has a title card. (although for [[Strongest Man in the World]] they simply reused the cover of [[The Homestar Runner Enters The Strongest Man in the World Contest]], which the toon is based on) Also, every major Halloween toon, the [[Puppet Stuff]], and every [[Decemberween]] special except the email [[what i want]] have title cards. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 00:08, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Isn't the tilted 'e' a reference to a sign for a famous club or bar or restaurant or something (or maybe it was a painting)? I swear I've seen something similar to it before. Does anyone know what I'm taking about? [[User:Nynexman4464|Nynexman4464]] 05:43, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Dell? Enron? Sorry my mind reading abilities are on the fritz.{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 06:07, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::No, it wasn't like a company (I don't think). I think the format of the sign was similar, two words on top of one another, the last one or two letters being the same in both words, so they used a large letter for both. I can picture it, but I can't name it for the life of me. I dunno, maybe divine inspiration will hit me at some point to remember it.[[User:Nynexman4464|Nynexman4464]] 20:27, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Bad Old-timey Strong Bad Reference ==

Is it me or is that italian mustache SB was wearing look kinda like Old-Timey SB's mustache? {{User:Austio888888/sig}} 23:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:A lot of mustaches have appeared in Homestar Runner. See [[Mustaches]]. Also, Old-Timey SB's 'stache is a lot longer, methinks. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:59, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

:I thought the same thing - I wondered if it's worth mentioning that SB resembles his Old-Timey counterpart here. --{{User:NoMayonnaise/sig}} 15:35, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

== Fireworks mirror ==

I think we should do a mirror where the fireworks goof appears (when they're still attached to the ship when they sink) like the "floating lime" mirror in [[Let us give TANKS!]]. I have the flash file for that version, so I think that would help. How would I upload it? --{{User:Darkangel/sig}} 03:48, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
:You wouldn't. Only images and audio can be uploaded. Tom runs the mirror as far as I know, so if he doesn't already have it, you'd have to get it to him. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 04:17, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
::Perhaps you could take a screen shot of the fireworks appearing on the sub? Just a suggestion --[[User:Murgatroid|Murgatroid]] 05:12, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Email it to the address at the bottom of [[User:Tom#Contact me|Tom]]'s user page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:20, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

== ... that fake mustache he always wears ... ==

I acknowledge that the mustache appearance is a good inside reference, but isn't this more directly an inside reference to Fabrosi / Homestar's fake mustaches from Lady-ing given the fact that the Cheat's mustache is a fake? [[User:71.96.169.82|71.96.169.82]]
:Since when did Homestar have a fake mustache in lady...ing? --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:41, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
::Since the Easter egg. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:45, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Oh. Now see, I've never watched that Easter Egg. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:49, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
::::For shame, Martyo, for shame. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:01, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

== Four, then? ==

Who is Marzipan referring to when remarks that Homestar has had to fight off four foxes' mothers to stay loyal to her? The first thing that popped in my head was TGS, but that doesn't really make sense. Could it be the failed female characters they're referring to? Champeen and them? [[User:Coveredinharmony|CoveredinSuudzu]] 15:31, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
:Oh, nevahmind, it's prolly just that's as high as he can count. LOL [[User:Coveredinharmony|CoveredinSuudzu]] 15:32, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
::('''edit conflict''')She's not referring to anyone in particular. Homestar says "more than I can count," so she's making fun of him by saying he can't even count to 4. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 15:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

== Character Development ==

Woah. This is the first time I've seen real character development, done by characters, with actual development, since, like...ever. Does anyone else notice that? And feel unnverved? [[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 15:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
:This is probably the most salient example, but I think it would be difficult to hold that it is the first time. There are snippets of character development here and there, if we allow that the entire world of www.homestarrunner.com is one holistic narrative. For example, we know that the relationship between Strong Sad and Strong Bad wasn't always as it is now ([[The Secrets That I Keep]]). We also see a desperate attempt by the KOT to become a cool character (seeking help from Marzipan on her answering machine and creating KOTVOQPCS, which by it's name implies that the KOT is "popular"). Numerous characters have had epiphanies of self-awareness (SS "I'm a waste of space", CZ "I've hit rack bartom!"). And throughout the entire narrative we see fluctuating relational dynamics between all of the characters; their attitudes and behavior towards one another does not remain static (at times SB hates HR, and at other times they are found playing Cheat Commandos or drinking 'old ones together). Because HR.com is episodic in nature it is difficult to see much character development in any given instance, but as a broader story arc it should be easier to see development. [[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 02:32, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::Don't forget Strong Sad's development in Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon. That was a big one. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}

== Jail reference? ==
Doesn't the use of fireworks used as TNT count as a reference to the [[Strong Bad is in Jail]] 'toon? -{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}
:Yep. Already mentioned. Same brand of rockets and everything. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:01, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
:: To be technical, they were used as rockets here, not TNT. [[User:PureQuestion|PureQuestion]] 22:58, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

== BIAS ==

I think the current interpretation of the phrase "normal bias" found on the tape in the easter egg might be the wrong one.
Public radio is commonly perceived as having a left leaning ''political bias''. The addition of the word "normal" might refer to the perception that this political bias is normal for public radio.
Further, "Normal bias" is in the label location, where the person who records something onto the tape indicates what the recording is or is about (such as "David Bowie" or "2007 mix tape"). If "normal bias" was actually referring to the technical design of the tape we might expect to find it stamped on the tape in a different location and in a different manner. We don't find other technical aspects of a tape or CD-R (such as "120 minutes" or "700 Mb") in the label area of the item. Any thoughts? [[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 01:20, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

:I'm a little confused... just answering the last question you asked there, it's a cartoon, and TBC don't have time to draw in every little detail, especially on a tape or CD. Or Laserdisc. The "Normal Bias" label is there for satirical humor. I mean, what's funnier, "Normal Bias" or "TapeMakers 90 minutes"? {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 01:27, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

::I just looked at what is posted about "normal bias" and I can see why you are confused. Let me clarify my previous post. If you follow the link on the word "bias" it will take you to a wikipedia article about tape bias, a technical development in sound reproduction for cassette tapes. By linking to this article, it is suggested that the use of the term "normal bias" in the cartoon refers to Tape Bias. My previous post was meant to argue that Tape Bias is the wrong way to interpret "normal bias" and that there is a better, more likely interpretation. My error was in thinking that the current interpretation is more obvious than it really is, thus I am at fault for your confusion. With this clarification in mind, I hope that my previous post is more clear to you. I propose that what is currently posted about "normal bias" be removed from the Trivia section and in it's place we use my interpretation to explain "normal bias" in the Real World References section. [[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 02:30, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

:::I think it's referring to tape bias — see [[geddup noise]] and [[Sketchbook 2006#SK-2006-08-31]] for other places that this comes up in the [[Homestar Runner (body of work)|Homestar Runner]] body of work. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 02:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

::::Good point. I am still puzzled why tech specs would be found in the user label portion of the tape, but the fact that the geddup noise radio station is a ribald morning show and ''not'' public radio demands the conclusion you have reached. [[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 02:47, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::I think they simply didn't put as much thought as you into what they put on the tape to make it look like a tape. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Also, bias is something that is applied to the tape when it is recorded, it's not inherent to the specific tape itself (though, different bias is better for different kinds of tape). When I used to work with tapes extensively I would always note on the label what bias I used to record the tape (in fact, there was typically a checkbox devoted to it on the user label).{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 03:24, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::Incidentally, I'm the one who originally added the link to [[Wikipedia:Tape bias|tape bias]], which I put there for readers who might not know there was a double meaning to the word. But I've always thought that the pun was intended. That is, I think they used the technical term as a play on the political sense of the words. I figured linking to anything besides tape bias would be unnecessarily explaining the joke. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:58, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::I can't say I agree; Homestar Runner stuff rarely if ever ventures into sociopolitical commentary. It goes against the idea of the body of work. Also, considering there was nothing political in the broadcast, it seems like a severe stretch. -[[User:Unknownwarrior33|Unknownwarrior33]] 23:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

== Marzipan eats Marshmallows?! ==

A primary ingredient in Marshmallows is gelatin, which made from boiled animal bones. I don't think Marzipan would like this very much (since she is a vegetarian). Thoughts? I modified the article to show this, but it was reverted and claimed to be "nit-picking." Hardly. [[User:70.58.71.12|70.58.71.12]] 02:33, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
:Is Marzipan a vegetarian? Can you cite where it's disclosed? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:57, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::Well, it's mentioned without citation a couple times on this wiki... but the only thing close to an official statement that I see comes from [[All_Things_Considered_Interview_-_8_May_2005|a 2005 interview on NPR]], in which the interviewer refers to Marzipan as "Homestar's Vegetarian girlfriend" and his statement is not refuted by TBC.{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 03:05, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

::It's pretty safe to assume that Marzipan is a vegetarian or vegan of some kind. Her mascara, for instance. The tofu BBQ, for another. [[Homestar Jr.]], for a third. You may not have a verbal confession from her, but all signs point to that assumption. I would suggest that based on the evidence we have it is harder to prove that she ''isn't'' a vegetarian than that she ''is''. [[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 03:28, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

:::However - Vegan Mascara might be a brand name. I like tofu almost as much as I like a steak. And reporters do get facts wrong sometimes, even NPR. I think it's just speculation to decide she's a vegan/strict vegetarian/weak vegetarian without explicit establishment. If the fact is included, it needs to be worded so as not to say she "is" a vegetarian, but that she might be; and also without weaseling the fact to the point of it no longer being notable. A challenge. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:37, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::::All you need to prove that she isn't a vegetarian is an instance where she clearly violates general vegetarian protocol (marshmallows, we should agree, is a gray area). In the logic tradition and in real world common sense 'no instance of violating vegetarian protocol' + 'numerous instances of demonstrating vegetarian behavior' = 'the fair assumption that Marzipan is a vegetarian.' Put simply, I think your standard of proof is unnecessarily high. My standard is the one practiced in the disciplines of Philosophy, History, English, and Behavioral Psychology, to name a few, and ought to be sufficient for a silly cartoon web site. Your challenge does not need to be answered because a reasonable and sufficient argument has already been offered (not "just speculation"), not only by myself, but by Bryanc as well. Again, a contrary example is all you need to prove our contention false. [[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 04:08, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::She could just be stupid, ignorant, or misinformed. This could also be a mistake by The Brothers Chaps. [[User:70.58.71.12|70.58.71.12]] 05:17, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::Speaking of stupid, ignorant, or misinformed, how about those vegetarians? {snicker}. Seriously though, I would have to agree in the end that it probably is just a mistake (and an understandable and forgivable one at that) by TBC; this would seem the most likely explanation for the perceived inconsistency. [[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 07:44, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

:::::Lynx, I don't need to prove she's not anything. The natural presumption is that people are like most other people unless there is evidence to the contrary. I maintain that calling her a vegetarian is speculative unless there is firm evidence. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:13, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::I think what Lynx is trying to argue is that there is quite a lot of evidence. Each piece of evidence alone may be interpreted as circumstantial, but the summation of it all lends great credence to the probability that Marzipan is indeed a vegetarian. You are absolutely correct that there is no definitive proof. She sure eats like one though.{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 04:41, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

::::::Qermaq, I didn't say you needed to prove anything- you have it backwards. I said that if you want to end all doubt and vindicate your position there is a simple way. I didn't say "you need to ''prove''", I said "what you ''need'' to prove." There's a real difference there. I won't continue to rehash this topic with you, but I do want to say for the sake of others reading this that there ''is'' evidence that she is a vegetarian, the assumption is a reasonable one, not a speculative one, according to classical epistemology. Instead of yielding to better reasoning, my friend Qermaq seems to be ignoring the firm evidence provided and misinterpreting what I have said. I would that he follow my example from above (the BIAS discussion) and simply admit when he is beat. I will say no more. [[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 06:23, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

::::On the [[Chinese Food Toons Menu]] TBC imply ''very'' strongly that Marzipan is a vegetarian in the subtext to [[The Reddest Radish]]. Also, if this is being questioned than it follows that [[The Luau]], [[Marzipan]], and [[Old-Timey Marzipan]] all should be re-worded also.{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 03:47, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

::::Incidentally, the word vegan was [http://www.vegansociety.com/html/business/trademark/opportunities/standards.php coined] by The Vegan Society in the UK which still retains related trademarks. A mascara company would not likely be granted permission to use the word as a brand name, even if the product was vegan.{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 04:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::You're confusing reality with the toon. I am not suggesting that "vegan" is indeed a brand name or even eligible to be one. I'm saying that in the H*R universe it could be intended as such. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:13, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::I meant that as a sort of trivial interjection, but even so, why would they choose that particular brand name?{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 04:41, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

:Gelatin is sort of a gray area for some vegetarians, so are dairy products and eggs. Certainly there are vegetarians who will not eat them, vegans definitely won't, but I do know several vegetarians who do eat such things. I'm actually not against mentioning this fact in the article really, just wanted to mention that.{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 03:12, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::No, it isn't. Just like meat, gelatin comes from the dead body of an animal. Dairy products and eggs are clearly gray areas, but gelatin is *not*. [[User:70.58.71.12|70.58.71.12]] 05:17, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::Further, this is ''Chilean Sea'' Marshmallow. Maybe it's a naturally-occurring plant life form, like the sea cucumber? Or maybe it's a soy-based marshmallow substitute? (What we really need is an Explanation about sea bass...) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]]
:::It ''is'' possible to make vegetarian/vegan marshmallows without using gelatin. Given that Marzipan's exact status as a non-meat-eater is fuzzy, I think it would be a stretch to draw any kind of conclusion from the fact that she eats a marshmallow (which hardly count as food anyway). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:04, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

: 1 - The [[Marzipan]] article clearly states that she is a vegetarian.
: 2 - Although the specific type of vegetarianism that Marzipan follows is not known, eating gelatin is against *all* of them. The [[Wikipedia:Vegetarian|wikipedia article]] has a good discussion of the various types. You will note that all of them decry the eating of meat (remains of dead animals.)
: Thus, this is pretty clearly a goof to me. [[User:70.58.71.12|70.58.71.12]] 05:17, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::re: 1 - Yes it does, but when it comes to citations we can't cite ourselves.
::re: 2 - I can't knowledgeably comment on this, suffice to say that I know more than one self-proclaimed vegetarians who will eat gelatin. Perhaps that makes them not-really-vegetarians.
::Dot com has already pointed out that there are readily available recipes to make marshmallow's that are both vegetarian and vegan.{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 05:24, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Correct. A "vegetarian" who eats gelatin is no more a true vegetarian than one who eats chicken or beef. I do concede that there are vegetarian marshmallow recipes, though. [[User:70.58.71.12|70.58.71.12]] 14:46, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I strongly agree with Bryanc in all three points. As a non-gelatin-eating vegetarian, I say this is not a goof. Also, if anybody feels any further need to discuss whether Marzipan is a veg(etari)an or not, then this talk page is ''not'' the place to do it. Please do this at [[Talk:Marzipan#Vegetarian or vegan?]]. Thanks.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 07:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

== Pledge? ==

Would it be relevant to include an explanation of what a 'pledge' is in the Explanations section? There must be at least some people who would benefit from the knowledge (myself included).--[[User:Tally Solleni|Tally Solleni]] 16:33, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
:Sure — I'll try to add a little bit, and feel free to edit it if you can improve it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:44, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

== How Was Your Coincidence? ==

It's probably not a direct reference, but I can't help but notice one of Marzipan's lines ("My almond-encrusted Chilean sea marshmallow was just delicious. How was your hot dog?") is strikingly similar to Veronica Lodge's line from the cover of Archie #547, which I read in the Editor's Notebook. ("My lobster thermador was superb! How was your hot dog?") [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 06:30, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
:I'd say that's reference material. I felt like Marzipan's "how was your hot dog?" was something that I'd heard/seen before, but I'm not at all familar with Archie. Maybe the gag has been used in other works? (A quick web search doesn't turn up anything in particular; not even the Archie quote.) --[[User:Rriegs|Rriegs]] 10:29, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
::I just thought it was a coincidence because I didn't catch any other references to Archie. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:41, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

== "Bod" reference ==

Homestar's line "That you--gulp--'want his bod'?" is pretty close to the line dropped by Strong Bad in [[lady...ing]], "Oh, Marzipan. Do you want a-my bod!" Anyone think it's worth a mention in the article? --[[User:Rriegs|Rriegs]] 10:15, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

:I think it is. [[User:Jimmy91|Jimmy91]] 17:56, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

== Reminiscent? ==

*Homestar and Strong Bad singing as their ship sinks is reminiscent of how the orchestra on the RMS Titanic continued to play while she sank.

Didn't a fun fact just get destroyed recently due to that word? Personally, I don't see any similarity at all between the two, but somehow I didn't feel right just outright removing it... anyone? -{{User:YK/sig}} 07:41, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

== Bought a bod? ==

I keep hearing "gulp - bought his bod?" Has Marzipan paying TC to do this? [[User:The Magic Pixel|The Magic Pixel]] 15:18, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
:I would suggest that you get a nice set of headphones, go into a quiet room, and listen to it again. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 16:13, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

== Wharf? ==

When the USS Flirtini sinks, the water becomes wide and expansive, could this be the wharfs that have been alluded to? Or is it just for pseudo-dramatic effect? [[User:Strong Sader|Strong Sader]] 16:44, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
:It could be either; the facts is, we don't really know. TBC tend not to make connections like these. They often comment on how much they ''don't'' plan things out on their website and how inconsistent it is. On the other hand, you never know what they think while they make the toon. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 17:21, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
:: I always figured that since they were launched backwards, the river was connected to a lake, which they ended up in.

== Capers? ==

Can someone explain "capers" to me? What does he mean by that? At first I thought he was meaning "Never seeing each other again, with kippers." as in like, a meal with fish as a side dish. But capers? Can I get an explanation please? -[[User:Abelhawk|Abelhawk]] 13:55, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

:[[wikipedia:capers#Culinary_Uses]] [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 13:57, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

== Closed STUFF ==

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=== Thank you, chef! But our reference is in another castle. ===
{{stufffact|Strong Bad's greeting, "it's-a me! The chef-a!" is a play on [[Wikipedia:Mario|Mario]]'s famous line, "It's a-me, Mario!".}}
{{stuffverdict|16:51, 25 April 2007 (UTC)|22:24, 7 May 2007 (UTC)|declined|29|21. A proposed revision was also declined, 31-2|Date Nite}}

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=== I can do it. I can do it sixteen times. ===
{{stufffact|Marzipan strokes her right eyelashes with mascara 16 times.}}
{{stuffverdict|22:26, 24 April 2007 (UTC)|14:12, 26 April 2007 (UTC)|declined|38|17|Date Nite}}

== Strong Bad's Location ==

I've confirmed this by looking at the flash file in frames, so don't change it (It's in the transcript): Strong bad is already in Marzipan's house when he says "head."

== Public Rage-o ==

Is it just a coincidence that "Public Rage-o" sounds a lot like "Public Radio"? You have to sound it out a bit but the resemblance is uncanny. --[[User:Echeese|Echeese]] 19:44, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

== Curse? ==

I know Missy Palmer/Marzipan have only said "crap" once, but I distinctly keep hearing, "Homestar, if you're trying to say I look like a f***sy mama..." Anyone else? {{User:WeirdAl/sig}} 20:38, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

:Umm, no, not at all. Foxy Mama makes sense, especially in the context of "fox's mother". [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 20:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh. You're right. I listened again, and it's just her inflection. My bad! {{User:WeirdAl/sig}} 00:15, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

== Count Fiveguardo ==

I know it's just an insult, but how notable is it that Homestar counts past Marzipan's claim of four in [[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]]? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
:He's reading from a cue card there.

== Or is it THE Marzipan now? ==

I think that the fact Homestar comments that Marzipan's name might have a 'the' in front of it is referencing the magority of characters that have 'the' as a title eg. the king of town, the cheat, the homestar runner.
:Yes, it's definitely a reference to the [[integral article]]. In fact, this is already mentioned in inside references. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:44, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
::Noes, I think it's that Homestar is hinting that The Cheat and Marzipan are steady, and wives will often adopt their husband's last names, so it makes sense... a little bit. -Werghy (Image codes stink)

=It'sa me!=

Any one else think that's from Mario 64? [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 17:53, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
:See [[#Mario|above]] {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:56, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

== Fabrosi's fake mustache ==

I made the following addition to the Inside References section, which was promptly deleted. I think this is bogus, so someone back me up here.

**The Cheat's fake mustache may be a reference to [[lady...ing]], in which Fabrosi is said to use a fake mustache when lady-ing.

Talk:Date Nite

PureQuestion — Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:58:56 GMT

PureQuestion: /* Jail reference? */

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== What about a SECRET Hot Date ==

Is there a connection between the "secret hot date" Cardboard Marzipan invited the Cheat on and the "hot date" they actually went on? Is the fact that there are fireworks in both of the cartoons relevant? {{unsigned|75.85.125.208|22:58, 23 April 2007}}
:Might even mention the end of [[do over]] in relation to this too. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 06:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

:Yeah, there's definitely been a pattern here. also note the "who's making out with marzipan" line from the cheat's theme song. that was probably the first lead in, or whatever --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]]
Also peculiar that Marzipan doesn't seem to mind The Cheat's small talk about two Ira's, after being annoyed by Homestar's two Sid's in [[date]]. [[User:61.149.38.114|61.149.38.114]] 13:12, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:Well, Homestar was playing a stupid, boring game that she had no hope of winning. The Cheat was actually holding a conversation. -[[User:Wrath|Wrath]]
::The "Making out with Marzipan" thing was a reference to the [[Homestar Talker]] game. The original wining phrase was "Making out with Marzipan is totally awesome." {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 04:04, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

== Irony ==

Is it worth mentioning that Strong Bad proposes that they drown the Cheat and Marzipan, but in the end it is Homestar and Strong Bad who are drowned? {{unsigned|75.85.125.208|22:58, 23 April 2007}}

:That's along the lines of explaining the joke, something not normally done around here unless it's rather obscure. Also, please sign your talk page posts with four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>){{User:Bassbone/sig}} 07:20, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

== Public Rage-o flyer ==

The broken glasses could be a play off of the glasses Ira Glass wears. (They look quite similar) Anyone else think so? -Cappy Red [[User:68.5.95.211|68.5.95.211]] 08:32, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, I thought the same thing. Weird when you see radio people on TV. It's always like "I don't know what I would have expected him to look like, but it just ain't that." {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 08:58, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
::Yes, the first rule of thumb for all radio personalities is to [[:Image:deadlypallor.png|look]] absolutely nothing like how they sound. =3 {{User:Trey56/sig}} 08:59, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Oh yeah, forgot we'd already had a lesson on that. Glass actually comes ''close'' to what you'd (I'd) expect him to look like, but just not quite. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 09:11, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Truly, he looks just different enough so as to throw you off. It's like he has his own personal [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncanny_valley uncanny valley] ;¬) -Cappy Red [[User:68.5.95.211|68.5.95.211]] 15:23, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

== 8-Bit resemblence ==

i'm not suggesting anybody uses this, but does any one else notice any echoes of Black Mage from 8-bit theater in Strong Bad when he's discussing the drowning of Marzipan and the Cheat? especially the "Explain to me how drowning them wouldn't ruin their date" line. it's funny, but that's just me.
--[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]]
:Strong Bad always sounds like that. [[User:Wrath|Wrath]]

Heh, that is totally something BM would say. [[User:The makuta|The makuta]] 13:47, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Sounds like a combonation of BM and Bob from Bob and George. But mostly BM. [[User:The Magic Pixel|The Magic Pixel]] 15:19, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

== Mario ==

I obviously thought of Mario when Strong Bad said "Itsa me, the chef-a", but I don't know if it's really that clear. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 09:51, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:Mario has a bad Italian accent too, yes. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 09:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:One of Mario's catchphrases is "It's-a me! Mario!" I thought of Mario as well. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 10:06, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
::Stereotypical Italian, probably. I thought it was Mario as well, but an Italian seems more practical. --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 10:25, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Shockingly, Mario ''is'' Italian. and we know TBC are nintendo guys, i'd expect them to have had mario in the front of their minds as a role model for a fake-italian accent --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]]
::::I immediately thought of Mario. It brought me back to my N64 days. The startup screen..."Itsa me! Mario! *doo doo doo doo doo doo* Hello!" --[[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 22:03, 24 Apr 2007 (UTC)
:::::Methinks it's a stereotypical Italian chef. Not Mario. It's POSSIBLE, but I doubt it. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 02:12, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::Not possible. It's stereotyped Italian, just as Mario is. If it's like Mario, it's stereotypical Italian, and is no ref to Mario. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:15, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Mario is not the only Italian in the world. He's not even the only Italian stereotype. Have you forgotten [[Wikipedia:List_of_recurring_characters_from_The_Simpsons#Luigi_Risotto|Luigi]]? The one on the Simpsons, not Mario's brother! --[[User:Bigscarymike|BigScaryMike]] 03:55, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::::My opinion: I think a reference to Mario. My username may play a part in this, though. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:54, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::I didn't think of Mario at all when I first watched this, and my initial reaction to the idea was that it is only a play on the stereotype. But I did a few [http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&q=%22it%27sa+me%22&btnG=Google+Search google] [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&q=%22it%27s-a-me%22&btnG=Search searches] and an overwhelming majority of the results pertain to Mario, often the N64 incarnation of the game. I'm still hesitant, but now I'm not as sure.{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 16:30, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

The reason I thought of Mario was because of the "Itsa me ***" format. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 04:10, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Speaking as an IP address, I probably don't have much clout, but I'd definitely say Mario reference. Stereotypical italians don't say "Itsa Me!" Only Mario does. [[User:129.64.141.43|129.64.141.43]] 16:06, 25 April 2007 (UTC) (oh, and this image code thing is disgusting, I normally can get these things no problem, but this is just like paint splatters)

:(129.64.141.43, I replied [[User talk:129.64.141.43|here]]) This one's a tough call, but I'm leaning toward it being a reference to Mario here. The discussion is so evenly split, I think that [[HRWiki:STUFF|STUFF]] would be helpful here — I'll get one started. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

::Okay, [[#Thank you, chef! But our reference is in another castle.|here it is]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:54, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

I also thought of Mario right away, but that doesn't mean that that's what TBC were thinking of when they wrote the cartoon. --[[User:Lux Acerbus|Lux Acerbus]] 01:25, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

== Another Reference to Coach Z thinking he's a woman ==

The curlers on Coach Z's head and the rolling pin he's holding seems to be another reference to Coach Z thinking he's a woman, the other being when he said he was a mom in an easter egg at the end of Sbemail #129 Garage Sale.
:I think it's unwise to assume that Coach is conscientiously pretending to be a woman. Can't TBC just stick him in the cartoon to make a final punchline with no strings attached? —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 16:41, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
::Right now the page suggests that Coach Z is a "mom" in this cartoon. He is clearly displaying characteristics of a woman (certain attitude, curlers, rolling pin), but there is no indication that he is acting like a "mom" (a particular kind of woman). [[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 17:39, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I think he's acting like a wife. I mean, that's just such a classic image in television and movies. I don't know if he's doing it on purpose or if he just has a complex, though. Personally, I was thinking OTP. [[User:Wrath|Wrath]]
::::I think he's being portrayed as a mother. Mabye he's actually a girl. We have no way of knowing if he is or not. He may actually be Bubs' mother. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 19:41, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::Oh my. That would be quite the interesting development...--[[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 22:04, 24 Apr 2007 (UTC)
::::Believe it or not, there are some men who wear curlers (I'm involved in the dance world :P). Though I agree it's more than likely a joke that he's playing a mom. Nothin' serious. Coach Z has always been weird. [[User:Coveredinharmony|CoveredinSuudzu]] 15:29, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::We have, after all, established that he has more than two problems. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:38, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::I agree that Coach Z is acting like a wife, but it's not implying that he and Bubz are gay. I think it was more of a joke to get the viewers to really crack up. ~[[User:HideAndSeek|HideAndSeek]]
:::::::HideAndSeek hit the nail on the head. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 17:34, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
[[Image:Lockhorn Comic.PNG|thumb|Another rolling pin-wielding housewife]]
:Just as a note, this isn't the first time that a rolling pin has been used as a prop for a stereotypical housewife (see right). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:32, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

== Going down with the ship ==

Is the fact that Homestar and Strong Bad are singing the national anthem as their 'ship' goes down a reference to anything? It seems familiar to me, but I don't know where from... {{User:Kahteh/sig}} 11:20, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:I thought of [[Wikipedia:RMS Titanic|Titanic]] when I first saw it. The orchestra on the ship continued playing as the ship was sinking. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 11:27, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
::I thought of that Looney Toons with Nero and Yosemite Sam as a Roman centurion and the pillar slowly falling while Nero plays Taps on a violin. Maybe something like that inspired them. [[User:Elvis|Uhuh huh. Thankyaveramuch.]] 12:39, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I think Elvis got it. This "going down with the ship" thing seems very cartoony. Looney Toony. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 16:45, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:Okay bear with me a second. I've never actually seen the Hunt for Red October, so I'm getting this from my mom. In order to hijack the Red October and go to America, they took it out on the maiden voyage. The part of the crew that was in on the plot arranged a fake nuclear explosion and forced the rest of the crew off the sub. That part of the crew was standing on an American ship when the fake explosion occurred, and they sang the Russian national anthem while the Red October "sank". I think that's the reference the Brothers Chaps were going for. -[[User:Wrath|Wrath]]
::Could be that too. You never know for sure what they are thinking. I say we shouldn't try to pinpoint this as a solid reference to anything in particular. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 19:09, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Except they don't sing the anthem as the ship goes down. The Russians stand on the deck of the rescuing American ship, silent and mournfully removing their caps, staring at the sea. They sing it much earlier in the film, when they first engage the [[Wikipedia:Magnetohydrodynamic drive|caterpillar drive]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:39, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
::::It's actually another sub that explodes. The Russian Anthem does play at the end of the movie IIRC. It's close, but I wouldn't call it a reference.{{User:NFITC1/sig}} 13:56, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::They didn't know it was another sub, of course. At the end, it's not the Russian anthem, but a reprise of the main theme of the movie. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:23, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
:I fail to see how this is cartoony. It's a common motif, not a reference to anything in particular.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 21:58, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:It could be a reference to most cartoons, which sing/plays [[Wikipedia:Taps|Taps]] as their ship sinks. - {{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}
Mind, I don't think it should be in the article, but for the record, I thought the same thing. "Hm, Red October reference, singing a national anthem..." —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 03:39, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Who put the whole Titanic thing in there? I see no similarity. I believe it's already mentioned in the article that sailors often sing their national anthem as they go down with their ship, the Titanic wasn't a military vessel, there are no panicking passengers for Homestar and Strong Bad to soothe with their music (as the musicians on the Titanic were trying to do by continuing to play), and neither of them is using an instrument, nor were the musicians on the Titanic singing. Barely any similarity. I think this needs to be removed. --[[User:Lux Acerbus|Lux Acerbus]] 04:47, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
:Just for the record, I agree (and I see that it's now been {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Date_Nite&curid=34045&diff=450885&oldid=450878 removed}}). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:53, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

== Rockets ==

In the inside references section it mentions the part in SBIIJC where the bang was all that was needed. Wouldn't the fathoom be necessary in this case, considering without it Homestar and Strong Bad would just blow up? [[User:Elvis|Elvis]] 12:36, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Yea, I noticed the same thing. From what I can tell, they want the fathoom so that they fire towards Marzipan and The Cheat. I'm changing it. [[User:The makuta|The makuta]] 13:59, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

== Fundraising weeks ==

How many local NPR stations are having their drives this week? I know it is in Jacksonville, FL.
:Why are you asking this? What relativity does it have to Homestar Runner? Why didn't you sign your post? --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 20:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
::Because the Easter egg is about public radio fundraising drives, during the same time that many NPR stations are having fundraising drives. That's why. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:24, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I didn't read the easter egg. It just seemed really out of the blue. --{{User:Jangles5150/sig}} 21:09, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
::::I'd say the fact doesn't belong. There is no official schedule that I'm aware of for fund raising on public radio, so each week could be a fundraising week for some station. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:13, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::Don't read it, watch it! {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 04:07, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::Huh? What am I not supposed to read and supposed to watch? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:49, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::::That was a reply to Jangles' "I didn't read the easter egg."{{User:Loafing/sig}} 02:50, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

== FUN Facts. FUN ==
How is this piece of trivia a Fun fact? "Marzipan strokes her right eye with mascara 18 times." I'm pretty sure it isn't. [[User:63.229.175.33|63.229.175.33]] 14:40, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:Good point. I've deleted it- maybe whoever put it there would mind explaining why it's of interest? {{User:Kahteh/sig}} 15:13, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
::oh, you know, just in case someone wanted to be able to say that they apply makeup just like marzipan does or something --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]]

== Squared Circle ==
The Squared Circle is a term used in Professional Wrestling, because unlike the actual sport, where they wrestle within a circle, the entertainment version takes place in a square ring, hence, square instead of circle.

or maybe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Squaring_the_circle ?

== Differnet ==
Is it just me, or did this toon seem... I dunno... different than the older ones somehow? Did TBC use a different engine to make it or something?--[[User:68.53.87.6|68.53.87.6]]
:Looks like Flash to me. Maybe they upgraded the program or something. [[User:Wrath|Wrath]]
:Maybe you're not used to the style used (as in it's night, romance, fancy resteraunts, etc.).-{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}
Yer probably right Zerlock. After all, most toons are in the day.--[[User:68.53.87.6|68.53.87.6]]

== Marzipan's house ==

I'm pretty sure Homestar and Marzipan live together now. [[User:130.91.36.229|130.91.36.229]] 17:49, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:DVD Commentary on [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]]:
:<blockquote>'''MATT:''' Dude, I don't want to hint at any cohabitation here, okay?</blockquote>
:--[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 19:14, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
::Although they probably don't, alot of things hint at it, such as the "stay home running in place" (Homestar was jogging at Marzy's house) and the "Marzipan, I'm home!" from [[your funeral]]. But, of couse, the above quote dispells all. {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}} 20:14, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:::So, [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]] was what, three years ago? They sure do seem to live together now, though. [[User:76.99.53.18|76.99.53.18]] 22:51, 24 April 2007 (UTC) (Same guy, different IP address.)
::::That commentary was recorded last summer. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 04:57, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
FYI: Homestar has his own house. Weren't you looking hard enough? Jeez! - '''Unknown'''

== Strong Bad, Nice? ==

Is it just me, or is strong bad being a friend towards homestar? isn't that out of character?
:Strong Bad can be civil when he wants. Besides, they had a common goal. I admit, it was a little 'Bwuh?', though. [[User:Wrath|Wrath]]
::The common goal between Homestar and Strong Bad is what made this toon stand out. And quite nicely too. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 19:16, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I've seen this before in cartoons. [[Wikipedia:The Fairly Oddparents|Fairly Oddparents]], for one. Timmy and Remy were both mad at Cupid in one episode, so they truced (even though they are enemies) to "kill" him (or at least seriously injure him, that gorrilla looked an''gry'') --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:30, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Maybe to make it so you don't have to have watched that episode to know what it's about, I'll reference [[Wikipedia:The Jimmy Timmy Power Hour 2: When Nerds Collide|this episode]], in which Jimmy and Timmy team up to make it so the anti-faires (and later Professor Calamitous) don't take over the world. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

== A little gay...==

Don't be mad at me or anything, but dosen't it seem the SB and TC are...(ugh). I mean, Homestar was mad at Marzi because she is going out with another man and she is his girlfriend, but SB was mad at TC for the same reason, making TC his...Boyfriend?!? -A little confused, {{User:HeyMama/sig}} 04:32 pm, Tuesday, April 24th.
:Strong Bad 1. Hates Marzipan and B. Is TC's best friend. Of course he's angry. It's Coach Z we should be worried about though :P {{User:Dr._Clash/sig}} 20:37, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
::Well, personally, I don't know why that would be worrying. On the other hand, this is really a discussion for the forum.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:39, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

No. Strong Bad hates Marzipan. The gay relationship we should worry about is Strong Mad and The Cheat.{{unsigned|Tgcdse|15:50, 25 April 2007}}
::What Loafing said.{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 22:53, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
:::This thread is veering out of talk page appropriateness but let me state that in no way would I buy for a second that TBC are ever going to present their characters in any relationship other than goofy, dysfunctional ones. Not that we need to "worry" about a gay relationship in the first place, but it's as close to a certainty as anything is in this world that TBC are not intending their characters to be gay. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:47, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
:it might be worrisome that TBC might be introducing gay themes to HR.com. Isn't that the entire point of HeyMama's post? I might be able to ignore your politically correct notions that homosexuality is normal if you didn't feel the need to lecture people about it and then complain that the discussion is inappropriate. If you truly thought it was inappropriate you wouldn't engage in it yourselves, but merely say "this is inappropriate." But that urge to add your viewpoint on homosexuality to the thread is just too strong to pass up, isn't it? My guess is that TBC leave gay themes out of HR.com because it ''isn't'' normal and it offends a lot of people. [[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 07:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::This is inappropriate. You have now ''both'' given in to the urge to state your personal viewpoints. This thread is not material to the content of the article, so, per our talk page policy, please stop using it for discussion. You or anyone else is certainly welcome to continue this subject, so long as it's not here. As it has been repeatedly suggested, our forum is one such venue where you can go to talk about it if you so desire. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 08:07, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Sad's voice ==

Is it just me, or does Strong Sad's voice sound suddenly different? Deeper or something. [[User:Ekul|Ekul]] 21:39, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
*Yes, Strong Sad's voice and character have been evolving a bit lately. Just this year, he's already been physicially violent toward Strong Bad (Rough Copy) and smiled willingly (Looking Old) before that. Nothing particularly unusual about it, though, as this sort of evolution happens with all of the characters from time to time. [[User:0rion|0rion]] 08:57, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

== Title Card ==
Is this the only toon, other than [[Summer Short Shorts]], that has a title card in it?--[[User:SDSpivey|SDSpivey]] 21:47, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:Ummm...what do you mean by Title Card?? --{{User:NevaDie/sig}} 21:56, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
::A [[Wikipedia:Title card|title card]] is a separate image of the show's title. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:I think [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]] had a title card. Some of the older ones (like [[A Jorb well done]] and [[Powered by The Cheat]] cartoons) -{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}
::Speaking of title cards, should someone add that at the end of the title sequence, the 'e' falls against the title frame?[[User:Sir Vimes|Sir Vimes]] 23:38, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Every Big Toon, even from 2005-now, has a title card. (although for [[Strongest Man in the World]] they simply reused the cover of [[The Homestar Runner Enters The Strongest Man in the World Contest]], which the toon is based on) Also, every major Halloween toon, the [[Puppet Stuff]], and every [[Decemberween]] special except the email [[what i want]] have title cards. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 00:08, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Isn't the tilted 'e' a reference to a sign for a famous club or bar or restaurant or something (or maybe it was a painting)? I swear I've seen something similar to it before. Does anyone know what I'm taking about? [[User:Nynexman4464|Nynexman4464]] 05:43, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Dell? Enron? Sorry my mind reading abilities are on the fritz.{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 06:07, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::No, it wasn't like a company (I don't think). I think the format of the sign was similar, two words on top of one another, the last one or two letters being the same in both words, so they used a large letter for both. I can picture it, but I can't name it for the life of me. I dunno, maybe divine inspiration will hit me at some point to remember it.[[User:Nynexman4464|Nynexman4464]] 20:27, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Bad Old-timey Strong Bad Reference ==

Is it me or is that italian mustache SB was wearing look kinda like Old-Timey SB's mustache? {{User:Austio888888/sig}} 23:53, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
:A lot of mustaches have appeared in Homestar Runner. See [[Mustaches]]. Also, Old-Timey SB's 'stache is a lot longer, methinks. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:59, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

:I thought the same thing - I wondered if it's worth mentioning that SB resembles his Old-Timey counterpart here. --{{User:NoMayonnaise/sig}} 15:35, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

== Fireworks mirror ==

I think we should do a mirror where the fireworks goof appears (when they're still attached to the ship when they sink) like the "floating lime" mirror in [[Let us give TANKS!]]. I have the flash file for that version, so I think that would help. How would I upload it? --{{User:Darkangel/sig}} 03:48, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
:You wouldn't. Only images and audio can be uploaded. Tom runs the mirror as far as I know, so if he doesn't already have it, you'd have to get it to him. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 04:17, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
::Perhaps you could take a screen shot of the fireworks appearing on the sub? Just a suggestion --[[User:Murgatroid|Murgatroid]] 05:12, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Email it to the address at the bottom of [[User:Tom#Contact me|Tom]]'s user page. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:20, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

== ... that fake mustache he always wears ... ==

I acknowledge that the mustache appearance is a good inside reference, but isn't this more directly an inside reference to Fabrosi / Homestar's fake mustaches from Lady-ing given the fact that the Cheat's mustache is a fake? [[User:71.96.169.82|71.96.169.82]]
:Since when did Homestar have a fake mustache in lady...ing? --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:41, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
::Since the Easter egg. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:45, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Oh. Now see, I've never watched that Easter Egg. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 04:49, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
::::For shame, Martyo, for shame. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:01, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

== Four, then? ==

Who is Marzipan referring to when remarks that Homestar has had to fight off four foxes' mothers to stay loyal to her? The first thing that popped in my head was TGS, but that doesn't really make sense. Could it be the failed female characters they're referring to? Champeen and them? [[User:Coveredinharmony|CoveredinSuudzu]] 15:31, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
:Oh, nevahmind, it's prolly just that's as high as he can count. LOL [[User:Coveredinharmony|CoveredinSuudzu]] 15:32, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
::('''edit conflict''')She's not referring to anyone in particular. Homestar says "more than I can count," so she's making fun of him by saying he can't even count to 4. [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 15:34, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

== Character Development ==

Woah. This is the first time I've seen real character development, done by characters, with actual development, since, like...ever. Does anyone else notice that? And feel unnverved? [[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 15:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
:This is probably the most salient example, but I think it would be difficult to hold that it is the first time. There are snippets of character development here and there, if we allow that the entire world of www.homestarrunner.com is one holistic narrative. For example, we know that the relationship between Strong Sad and Strong Bad wasn't always as it is now ([[The Secrets That I Keep]]). We also see a desperate attempt by the KOT to become a cool character (seeking help from Marzipan on her answering machine and creating KOTVOQPCS, which by it's name implies that the KOT is "popular"). Numerous characters have had epiphanies of self-awareness (SS "I'm a waste of space", CZ "I've hit rack bartom!"). And throughout the entire narrative we see fluctuating relational dynamics between all of the characters; their attitudes and behavior towards one another does not remain static (at times SB hates HR, and at other times they are found playing Cheat Commandos or drinking 'old ones together). Because HR.com is episodic in nature it is difficult to see much character development in any given instance, but as a broader story arc it should be easier to see development. [[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 02:32, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::Don't forget Strong Sad's development in Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon. That was a big one. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}

== Jail reference? ==
Doesn't the use of fireworks used as TNT count as a reference to the [[Strong Bad is in Jail]] 'toon? -{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}
:Yep. Already mentioned. Same brand of rockets and everything. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:01, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
:: To be technical, they were used as rockets here, not TNT. [[User:PureQuestion|PureQuestion]] 22:58, 3 August 2008 (UTC)

== BIAS ==

I think the current interpretation of the phrase "normal bias" found on the tape in the easter egg might be the wrong one.
Public radio is commonly perceived as having a left leaning ''political bias''. The addition of the word "normal" might refer to the perception that this political bias is normal for public radio.
Further, "Normal bias" is in the label location, where the person who records something onto the tape indicates what the recording is or is about (such as "David Bowie" or "2007 mix tape"). If "normal bias" was actually referring to the technical design of the tape we might expect to find it stamped on the tape in a different location and in a different manner. We don't find other technical aspects of a tape or CD-R (such as "120 minutes" or "700 Mb") in the label area of the item. Any thoughts? [[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 01:20, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

:I'm a little confused... just answering the last question you asked there, it's a cartoon, and TBC don't have time to draw in every little detail, especially on a tape or CD. Or Laserdisc. The "Normal Bias" label is there for satirical humor. I mean, what's funnier, "Normal Bias" or "TapeMakers 90 minutes"? {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 01:27, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

::I just looked at what is posted about "normal bias" and I can see why you are confused. Let me clarify my previous post. If you follow the link on the word "bias" it will take you to a wikipedia article about tape bias, a technical development in sound reproduction for cassette tapes. By linking to this article, it is suggested that the use of the term "normal bias" in the cartoon refers to Tape Bias. My previous post was meant to argue that Tape Bias is the wrong way to interpret "normal bias" and that there is a better, more likely interpretation. My error was in thinking that the current interpretation is more obvious than it really is, thus I am at fault for your confusion. With this clarification in mind, I hope that my previous post is more clear to you. I propose that what is currently posted about "normal bias" be removed from the Trivia section and in it's place we use my interpretation to explain "normal bias" in the Real World References section. [[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 02:30, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

:::I think it's referring to tape bias — see [[geddup noise]] and [[Sketchbook 2006#SK-2006-08-31]] for other places that this comes up in the [[Homestar Runner (body of work)|Homestar Runner]] body of work. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 02:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

::::Good point. I am still puzzled why tech specs would be found in the user label portion of the tape, but the fact that the geddup noise radio station is a ribald morning show and ''not'' public radio demands the conclusion you have reached. [[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 02:47, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::I think they simply didn't put as much thought as you into what they put on the tape to make it look like a tape. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:56, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::::Also, bias is something that is applied to the tape when it is recorded, it's not inherent to the specific tape itself (though, different bias is better for different kinds of tape). When I used to work with tapes extensively I would always note on the label what bias I used to record the tape (in fact, there was typically a checkbox devoted to it on the user label).{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 03:24, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::Incidentally, I'm the one who originally added the link to [[Wikipedia:Tape bias|tape bias]], which I put there for readers who might not know there was a double meaning to the word. But I've always thought that the pun was intended. That is, I think they used the technical term as a play on the political sense of the words. I figured linking to anything besides tape bias would be unnecessarily explaining the joke. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:58, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::I can't say I agree; Homestar Runner stuff rarely if ever ventures into sociopolitical commentary. It goes against the idea of the body of work. Also, considering there was nothing political in the broadcast, it seems like a severe stretch. -[[User:Unknownwarrior33|Unknownwarrior33]] 23:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

== Marzipan eats Marshmallows?! ==

A primary ingredient in Marshmallows is gelatin, which made from boiled animal bones. I don't think Marzipan would like this very much (since she is a vegetarian). Thoughts? I modified the article to show this, but it was reverted and claimed to be "nit-picking." Hardly. [[User:70.58.71.12|70.58.71.12]] 02:33, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
:Is Marzipan a vegetarian? Can you cite where it's disclosed? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:57, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::Well, it's mentioned without citation a couple times on this wiki... but the only thing close to an official statement that I see comes from [[All_Things_Considered_Interview_-_8_May_2005|a 2005 interview on NPR]], in which the interviewer refers to Marzipan as "Homestar's Vegetarian girlfriend" and his statement is not refuted by TBC.{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 03:05, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

::It's pretty safe to assume that Marzipan is a vegetarian or vegan of some kind. Her mascara, for instance. The tofu BBQ, for another. [[Homestar Jr.]], for a third. You may not have a verbal confession from her, but all signs point to that assumption. I would suggest that based on the evidence we have it is harder to prove that she ''isn't'' a vegetarian than that she ''is''. [[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 03:28, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

:::However - Vegan Mascara might be a brand name. I like tofu almost as much as I like a steak. And reporters do get facts wrong sometimes, even NPR. I think it's just speculation to decide she's a vegan/strict vegetarian/weak vegetarian without explicit establishment. If the fact is included, it needs to be worded so as not to say she "is" a vegetarian, but that she might be; and also without weaseling the fact to the point of it no longer being notable. A challenge. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:37, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::::All you need to prove that she isn't a vegetarian is an instance where she clearly violates general vegetarian protocol (marshmallows, we should agree, is a gray area). In the logic tradition and in real world common sense 'no instance of violating vegetarian protocol' + 'numerous instances of demonstrating vegetarian behavior' = 'the fair assumption that Marzipan is a vegetarian.' Put simply, I think your standard of proof is unnecessarily high. My standard is the one practiced in the disciplines of Philosophy, History, English, and Behavioral Psychology, to name a few, and ought to be sufficient for a silly cartoon web site. Your challenge does not need to be answered because a reasonable and sufficient argument has already been offered (not "just speculation"), not only by myself, but by Bryanc as well. Again, a contrary example is all you need to prove our contention false. [[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 04:08, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::She could just be stupid, ignorant, or misinformed. This could also be a mistake by The Brothers Chaps. [[User:70.58.71.12|70.58.71.12]] 05:17, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::Speaking of stupid, ignorant, or misinformed, how about those vegetarians? {snicker}. Seriously though, I would have to agree in the end that it probably is just a mistake (and an understandable and forgivable one at that) by TBC; this would seem the most likely explanation for the perceived inconsistency. [[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 07:44, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

:::::Lynx, I don't need to prove she's not anything. The natural presumption is that people are like most other people unless there is evidence to the contrary. I maintain that calling her a vegetarian is speculative unless there is firm evidence. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:13, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::I think what Lynx is trying to argue is that there is quite a lot of evidence. Each piece of evidence alone may be interpreted as circumstantial, but the summation of it all lends great credence to the probability that Marzipan is indeed a vegetarian. You are absolutely correct that there is no definitive proof. She sure eats like one though.{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 04:41, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

::::::Qermaq, I didn't say you needed to prove anything- you have it backwards. I said that if you want to end all doubt and vindicate your position there is a simple way. I didn't say "you need to ''prove''", I said "what you ''need'' to prove." There's a real difference there. I won't continue to rehash this topic with you, but I do want to say for the sake of others reading this that there ''is'' evidence that she is a vegetarian, the assumption is a reasonable one, not a speculative one, according to classical epistemology. Instead of yielding to better reasoning, my friend Qermaq seems to be ignoring the firm evidence provided and misinterpreting what I have said. I would that he follow my example from above (the BIAS discussion) and simply admit when he is beat. I will say no more. [[User:Lynx|Lynx]] 06:23, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

::::On the [[Chinese Food Toons Menu]] TBC imply ''very'' strongly that Marzipan is a vegetarian in the subtext to [[The Reddest Radish]]. Also, if this is being questioned than it follows that [[The Luau]], [[Marzipan]], and [[Old-Timey Marzipan]] all should be re-worded also.{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 03:47, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

::::Incidentally, the word vegan was [http://www.vegansociety.com/html/business/trademark/opportunities/standards.php coined] by The Vegan Society in the UK which still retains related trademarks. A mascara company would not likely be granted permission to use the word as a brand name, even if the product was vegan.{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 04:06, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
:::::You're confusing reality with the toon. I am not suggesting that "vegan" is indeed a brand name or even eligible to be one. I'm saying that in the H*R universe it could be intended as such. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:13, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::::::I meant that as a sort of trivial interjection, but even so, why would they choose that particular brand name?{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 04:41, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

:Gelatin is sort of a gray area for some vegetarians, so are dairy products and eggs. Certainly there are vegetarians who will not eat them, vegans definitely won't, but I do know several vegetarians who do eat such things. I'm actually not against mentioning this fact in the article really, just wanted to mention that.{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 03:12, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::No, it isn't. Just like meat, gelatin comes from the dead body of an animal. Dairy products and eggs are clearly gray areas, but gelatin is *not*. [[User:70.58.71.12|70.58.71.12]] 05:17, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::Further, this is ''Chilean Sea'' Marshmallow. Maybe it's a naturally-occurring plant life form, like the sea cucumber? Or maybe it's a soy-based marshmallow substitute? (What we really need is an Explanation about sea bass...) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]]
:::It ''is'' possible to make vegetarian/vegan marshmallows without using gelatin. Given that Marzipan's exact status as a non-meat-eater is fuzzy, I think it would be a stretch to draw any kind of conclusion from the fact that she eats a marshmallow (which hardly count as food anyway). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:04, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

: 1 - The [[Marzipan]] article clearly states that she is a vegetarian.
: 2 - Although the specific type of vegetarianism that Marzipan follows is not known, eating gelatin is against *all* of them. The [[Wikipedia:Vegetarian|wikipedia article]] has a good discussion of the various types. You will note that all of them decry the eating of meat (remains of dead animals.)
: Thus, this is pretty clearly a goof to me. [[User:70.58.71.12|70.58.71.12]] 05:17, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
::re: 1 - Yes it does, but when it comes to citations we can't cite ourselves.
::re: 2 - I can't knowledgeably comment on this, suffice to say that I know more than one self-proclaimed vegetarians who will eat gelatin. Perhaps that makes them not-really-vegetarians.
::Dot com has already pointed out that there are readily available recipes to make marshmallow's that are both vegetarian and vegan.{{User:Bryanc/sig}} 05:24, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
:::Correct. A "vegetarian" who eats gelatin is no more a true vegetarian than one who eats chicken or beef. I do concede that there are vegetarian marshmallow recipes, though. [[User:70.58.71.12|70.58.71.12]] 14:46, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
:::I strongly agree with Bryanc in all three points. As a non-gelatin-eating vegetarian, I say this is not a goof. Also, if anybody feels any further need to discuss whether Marzipan is a veg(etari)an or not, then this talk page is ''not'' the place to do it. Please do this at [[Talk:Marzipan#Vegetarian or vegan?]]. Thanks.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 07:36, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

== Pledge? ==

Would it be relevant to include an explanation of what a 'pledge' is in the Explanations section? There must be at least some people who would benefit from the knowledge (myself included).--[[User:Tally Solleni|Tally Solleni]] 16:33, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
:Sure — I'll try to add a little bit, and feel free to edit it if you can improve it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:44, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

== How Was Your Coincidence? ==

It's probably not a direct reference, but I can't help but notice one of Marzipan's lines ("My almond-encrusted Chilean sea marshmallow was just delicious. How was your hot dog?") is strikingly similar to Veronica Lodge's line from the cover of Archie #547, which I read in the Editor's Notebook. ("My lobster thermador was superb! How was your hot dog?") [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 06:30, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
:I'd say that's reference material. I felt like Marzipan's "how was your hot dog?" was something that I'd heard/seen before, but I'm not at all familar with Archie. Maybe the gag has been used in other works? (A quick web search doesn't turn up anything in particular; not even the Archie quote.) --[[User:Rriegs|Rriegs]] 10:29, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
::I just thought it was a coincidence because I didn't catch any other references to Archie. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 20:41, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

== "Bod" reference ==

Homestar's line "That you--gulp--'want his bod'?" is pretty close to the line dropped by Strong Bad in [[lady...ing]], "Oh, Marzipan. Do you want a-my bod!" Anyone think it's worth a mention in the article? --[[User:Rriegs|Rriegs]] 10:15, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

:I think it is. [[User:Jimmy91|Jimmy91]] 17:56, 30 April 2007 (UTC)

== Reminiscent? ==

*Homestar and Strong Bad singing as their ship sinks is reminiscent of how the orchestra on the RMS Titanic continued to play while she sank.

Didn't a fun fact just get destroyed recently due to that word? Personally, I don't see any similarity at all between the two, but somehow I didn't feel right just outright removing it... anyone? -{{User:YK/sig}} 07:41, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

== Bought a bod? ==

I keep hearing "gulp - bought his bod?" Has Marzipan paying TC to do this? [[User:The Magic Pixel|The Magic Pixel]] 15:18, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
:I would suggest that you get a nice set of headphones, go into a quiet room, and listen to it again. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 16:13, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

== Wharf? ==

When the USS Flirtini sinks, the water becomes wide and expansive, could this be the wharfs that have been alluded to? Or is it just for pseudo-dramatic effect? [[User:Strong Sader|Strong Sader]] 16:44, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
:It could be either; the facts is, we don't really know. TBC tend not to make connections like these. They often comment on how much they ''don't'' plan things out on their website and how inconsistent it is. On the other hand, you never know what they think while they make the toon. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 17:21, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

== Capers? ==

Can someone explain "capers" to me? What does he mean by that? At first I thought he was meaning "Never seeing each other again, with kippers." as in like, a meal with fish as a side dish. But capers? Can I get an explanation please? -[[User:Abelhawk|Abelhawk]] 13:55, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

:[[wikipedia:capers#Culinary_Uses]] [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 13:57, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

== Closed STUFF ==

{{stuffcloseddecline}}

=== Thank you, chef! But our reference is in another castle. ===
{{stufffact|Strong Bad's greeting, "it's-a me! The chef-a!" is a play on [[Wikipedia:Mario|Mario]]'s famous line, "It's a-me, Mario!".}}
{{stuffverdict|16:51, 25 April 2007 (UTC)|22:24, 7 May 2007 (UTC)|declined|29|21. A proposed revision was also declined, 31-2|Date Nite}}

{{stuffcloseddecline}}

=== I can do it. I can do it sixteen times. ===
{{stufffact|Marzipan strokes her right eyelashes with mascara 16 times.}}
{{stuffverdict|22:26, 24 April 2007 (UTC)|14:12, 26 April 2007 (UTC)|declined|38|17|Date Nite}}

== Strong Bad's Location ==

I've confirmed this by looking at the flash file in frames, so don't change it (It's in the transcript): Strong bad is already in Marzipan's house when he says "head."

== Public Rage-o ==

Is it just a coincidence that "Public Rage-o" sounds a lot like "Public Radio"? You have to sound it out a bit but the resemblance is uncanny. --[[User:Echeese|Echeese]] 19:44, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

== Curse? ==

I know Missy Palmer/Marzipan have only said "crap" once, but I distinctly keep hearing, "Homestar, if you're trying to say I look like a f***sy mama..." Anyone else? {{User:WeirdAl/sig}} 20:38, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

:Umm, no, not at all. Foxy Mama makes sense, especially in the context of "fox's mother". [[User:DeFender1031|DeFender1031]] 20:40, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Oh. You're right. I listened again, and it's just her inflection. My bad! {{User:WeirdAl/sig}} 00:15, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

== Count Fiveguardo ==

I know it's just an insult, but how notable is it that Homestar counts past Marzipan's claim of four in [[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]]? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:25, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
:He's reading from a cue card there.

== Or is it THE Marzipan now? ==

I think that the fact Homestar comments that Marzipan's name might have a 'the' in front of it is referencing the magority of characters that have 'the' as a title eg. the king of town, the cheat, the homestar runner.
:Yes, it's definitely a reference to the [[integral article]]. In fact, this is already mentioned in inside references. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:44, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
::Noes, I think it's that Homestar is hinting that The Cheat and Marzipan are steady, and wives will often adopt their husband's last names, so it makes sense... a little bit. -Werghy (Image codes stink)

=It'sa me!=

Any one else think that's from Mario 64? [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 17:53, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
:See [[#Mario|above]] {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:56, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

== Fabrosi's fake mustache ==

I made the following addition to the Inside References section, which was promptly deleted. I think this is bogus, so someone back me up here.

**The Cheat's fake mustache may be a reference to [[lady...ing]], in which Fabrosi is said to use a fake mustache when lady-ing.

interview

PureQuestion — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 14:09:53 GMT

PureQuestion: /* Explanations */ "Even better" would imply that he would enjoy interviewing Homsar, but would enjoy gnawing his own leg more. Removing the "even" seems appropriate.

{{sbenav|62}}

[[Image:sbemail62.PNG|thumb|"I was raised by a cup of coffee."]]

{{aboutemail}} {{forshort|The Interview}} {{for|real-world interviews|Interviews and Public Appearances}}

Kerrek asks Strong Bad about Homsar. Pen puppets ensue.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Kerrek}} (Easter egg), {{Film|Trogdor}} (Easter egg), {{Film|Homsar}}, {{Film|The Cheat}}

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]]

'''Computer:''' [[Compy 386]]

'''Date:''' Monday, February 10, 2003

'''Running Time:''' 2:13

'''Page Title:''' Compy 386!

{{dvd|strongbad_email.exe Disc Two}}

== Transcript ==
'''STRONG BAD:''' Ahh...so many emails, so little good emails.

''{reading}''

<blockquote class="compy email">What's up with Homsar? I know he's 
weird and all, but don't you think we 
deserve to know a bit more about him? 
I think you should do an interview so 
we can finally find out what his 
deal is. 
 
Kerrek 
PA</blockquote>

''{Strong Bad reads "PA" as "P-A".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Whoa, that's a pretty cool name! ''{typing in a Gothic blackletter font}'' And then Trogdor smote the Kerrek, and all was laid to burnination. ''{Clears the screen, starts typing normally}'' My good Kerrek, you might enjoy such an encounter, but I know I can't talk to that guy for more than about 3 seconds before I start thinking that gnawing my own leg off might be a more better way to spend my time...more...more better. ''{clears screen, continues typing}'' Let me show you how it would go down with post-its attached to the top of pens.

''{Strong Bad ducks his head and brings up two pens with sticky notes attached to them, one with a crude drawing of Strong Bad, the other of Homsar. Strong Bad does the voices for both puppets.}''

'''STRONG BAD PUPPET:''' All right, then. For the record, please. Tell us who you are.

'''HOMSAR PUPPET:''' DaAaAaA! I'm a song from the sixties!

'''STRONG BAD PUPPET:''' That's just nonsense. Are you trying to make some sense?

'''HOMSAR PUPPET:''' AaAaA! Rightio! I think I can twice!

'''STRONG BAD PUPPET:''' Homsar, tell us about your childhood.

'''HOMSAR PUPPET:''' DaAa! I was raised by a cup of coffee.

'''STRONG BAD PUPPET:''' Interesting. So! How did you end up here?

'''HOMSAR PUPPET:''' 'Twas the pride of the peaches.

'''STRONG BAD PUPPET:''' 'Twas the pride of the peaches, huh? You got any last remarks?

'''HOMSAR PUPPET:''' DaAaA! Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk!

'''STRONG BAD PUPPET:''' Okay, interview over. Commence beating! ''{Strong Bad starts beating the Homsar puppet with the Strong Bad puppet.}''

''{The doorbell rings. Cut to a wide shot of Strong Bad kneeling in front of the Compy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Whoa! That'll be the Cheat with my Thai iced tea! Come on in!

''{Cut to the entryway. Homsar shuffles in.}''

'''HOMSAR:''' AaAaAaAaAaAaA! Hey Reggie! Is that rhinoceros around?

''{His hat stays an inch above his head. Cut to Strong Bad}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Um... I can only assume you're talking to me and asking about Strong Sad. He's in the basement.

''{Cut to Homsar. His hat falls down.}''

'''HOMSAR:''' ''{His hat makes a full loop as he says this.}'' I'm a song from the sixties.

''{Cut to Strong Bad, who is now sitting on the stool and shaking salt on his leg.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' If you don't get down there quick, things could get real ugly around here.

''{[[The Paper]] comes down.}''

''{After a while, The Cheat shows up with Strong Bad's Thai iced tea but Strong Bad doesn't notice him. The Cheat then walks away.}'' ''{Strong Bad continues salting his leg indefinitely.}

== Easter Eggs ==
*Once Strong Bad starts typing and the name Kerrek comes up, you can click on it and bring up a Strong Sad-style drawing of [[Trogdor]] smiting the [[Kerrek]].
*Click on Strong Bad's or Homsar's [[Sticky Notes|sticky-note]] figures to see a few different versions. You can do this throughout the whole email.
*Once you see Homsar, you can click on the bottom lightswitch for the lighting effects from [[techno]] and the top one to turn the other lights off. This happens only until the scene changes back to Strong Bad.
*After The Paper comes down, you can click on the floppy disk near the two puppets to bring up the [[Homsar Main Page]].
**The original version of the Homsar Main Page had only the Toons and Games buttons. After it was added as an Easter egg on the [[Main Pages]], it was normalized to fit in (more or less) with the rest of the menus.

== Fun Facts ==
===Explanations===
*Strong Bad recognizes his poor grammar in saying "more better". The proper phrase would be "better".

=== Trivia ===
[[Image:interviewwithmainpagefeatures.PNG|thumb|An email and a main page in one!]]
*The label on the disk in the floppy disk container reads "[[Floppy Disk Container#rise of the dragon|rise of the dragon]]".
*All of the objects for the Homsar Main Page are included as part of this email's Flash file. Using a seek bar to view the menu page before viewing the email, and then watching the email afterward, causes all of the features from external Flash files normally used on the main pages (i.e. the homepage list, the "What's New" button) appear during the rest of the email.
**This can also be accomplished in the Flash file by viewing the Homsar main page, right-clicking, and then choosing "Rewind" or "Play".
*As popular as the idea has become, Homsar never actually said he was raised by a cup of coffee.
*The words written on the Homsar sticky notes are (in order): "Stoop", "Gomp", and "bread??".

===Remarks===
*The salt shaker never runs out of salt at the end of the email. (In [[anything]], a bottle of [[Mountain Dew]] acts the same way and [[Homestar Runner]] comments on it.)

===Goofs===
*For some reason, the table's shadowing is not complete, so a brighter brown bar appears under the Compy after Homsar's first scene.
*The sticky notes and pens do not cast reflections on the Compy's screen.
*A small blue dot is visible at the bottom of Homsar's right foot. It is best seen when viewing the Flash file and zooming in.
*The sticky notes, if clicked on and altered in that way, after it pans back at any time from Homsar, is always back to the default, as if it were never clicked.
*After the camera goes back to Strong Bad, the Compy's contrast buttons are gone.

===Inside References===
*One of Strong Bad's sticky-note alter egos is his action figure from the email [[action figure]].
*Strong Bad referring to salting and eating his own foot recalls [[island]], where he says, while pondering what life on a deserted island with Homestar would be like, "And at some point my foot would look like a sandwich and I'd put salt on it and try to eat it and it's like, 'Oh, no! It's my foot!'"
*The second Strong Bad sticky-note drawing (the one showing him running) is similar to the caricature of him seen in a [[vacation]] Easter egg.
*The Strong Sad-style drawing of Trogdor smiting the Kerrek was first seen in the email [[dragon]] when Strong Bad was singing about Trogdor.
*There is another appearance of [[bread]] in the Easter egg.

===Real-World References===
*The phrase "Don't fake the funk on a nasty dunk" was said by [[Wikipedia:Shaquille O'Neal|Shaquille O'Neal]] in his first [[Wikipedia:Reebok|Reebok]] commercial [http://www.sportscenteraltar.com/phrases/usage.asp?ID=125].
*The flying skull-like Strong Bad head is a reference to the Bubble, an enemy from the [[Wikipedia:The Legend of Zelda series|Legend of Zelda series]].
*[[Wikipedia:Thai tea|Thai iced tea]] is a chilled drink made with red tea, anise, sugar and condensed milk.

===Fast Forward===
*The Kerrek appears later in [[Peasant's Quest]].
*Sticky-note Homsar's quote "I was raised by a cup of coffee" gives rise to the motto on the back of the [http://store.yahoo.com/homestarrunner/rabycupofco.html Homsar - Raised by Cup of Coffee shirt] in the [[Store]], which reads "Raised by a Cup of Coffee".
*The "bat winged Strong Bad head" seen on the sticky note was later seen in [[Decemberween Short Shorts]]
*Homsar's parents were later seen in an Easter egg in [[fan club]].

== DVD Version ==
*To view the Easter eggs, use the angle button on your DVD remote. (Except for the Homsar link, which has been removed.)

== External Links ==
*[[HR:sbemail62.html|watch "interview"]]
*[[HR:sbemail62.swf|view the Flash file for "interview"]]

{{Strong Bad Email}}
[[Category:Compy 386 Emails]]

comic

PureQuestion — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:18:22 GMT

PureQuestion: /* Inside References */

{{sbenav|53}}

[[Image:sbemail53.PNG|thumb|"TEEN GIRL SQUAD!"]]

The origin of [[Teen Girl Squad]]! A girl asks Strong Bad to make [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 1|a comic]] about her friends.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Cheerleader}}, {{Film|So and So}}, {{Film|What's Her Face}}, {{Film|The Ugly One}}, [[Birds (Teen Girl Squad)]], [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#A Helicopter|A Helicopter]], [[Visor Robot]], {{Film|Arrow'd Guy}}, [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Dinosaur|Dinosaur]]

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Teen Girl Squad Locations#Teen Girl Squad Field|The Field]], [[Teen Girl Squad Locations#The Graveyard|The Graveyard]], Snooty Independent Record Store (Easter Egg)

'''Computer:''' [[Compy 386]]

'''Date:''' Monday, December 2, 2002

'''Running Time:''' 1:43

'''Page Title:''' Compy 386!

{{dvd|strongbad_email.exe Disc Two}}

== Transcript ==
'''STRONG BAD:''' In the United States alone, someone checks their email every three seconds. This is one of them.

''{reading}''

<blockquote class="compy email">Can you make a comic about my friends? 
Tey are totally obsessed with you. 
Their names are Virginia, Joy, 
Kristen, and Jennifer. I would really 
appriciate it. 
 
Thank You. 
 
Brittany</blockquote>

''{Strong Bad mumbles over the four girls' names instead of reading them. He also pronounces "Tey" as it is written and "appriciate" "a-preek-ee-ate".}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Well, I'd really appriciate ''{same as in the email}'' it if you proofread your emails before you sent them to me! So, a comic about your little friends, huh? Well, okay. I'll see what I can do!

''{He gets out pencil and starts drawing something. Some music starts playing.}''


{{TGS1 Transcript}}

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Wow, Brittany! That turned out pretty good! I should maybe make some crappy xeroxes of that thing and sell it over at Bubs'. Or at least some snooty independent record store. ''{stops typing}'' Okay, so, that's it! No more Strong Bad Emails. Nah, I'm just kiddin'... maybe.

''{[[The Paper]] comes down.}''

== Easter Eggs ==
*When Strong Bad reads, "I would really appriciate it" you can click on the names of the girls to bring up various shapes that are supposed to resemble states. When you click on "Virginia", the actual map of the state of Virginia pops up.
*When the "Girls' States" appear, you can click on the top of each one to show it in its underwear, just as in [[weird dream]].
*When the headstones appear, you can click on What's Her Face's to have Strong Bad enter the comic.
:''{Strong Bad walks on from offsceen}''
:'''STRONG BAD:''' Whoa, hey there Cheerleader. You looking so good. You want to go take a ride with me up to Checker's...or Rally's...or uh, Sonic Burger? Whatever you guys got here.
*At the very end you can click on the words, "independent record store" to bring up a part showing the comic for sale in some record store. Funny banter going on in the background:
:'''CUSTOMER''': ''{voiced by Mike}'': 'Sup, man?
:'''CLERK''': ''{voiced by Matt}'': Hey, how ya doin'?
:'''CUSTOMER''': Pretty good.
:'''CLERK''': Good to see you back in.
:'''CUSTOMER''': Yeah, did you, uh... did you listen to this yet?
:'''CLERK''': You know, I have. Yeah. I wasn't into it. I couldn't get into it.
:'''CUSTOMER''': Huh. I thought... I was kinda hoping it'd be...
:'''CLERK''': Yeah, you know, they were—the whole thing's in 4/4, and...um...yeah. So, I just thought it wasn't for me. I liked their solo stuff better, you know?
:'''CUSTOMER''': Yeah. Well what about, uh, what about their guitars? D'ya think they're all, like, in tune? Like the...the frets?
:'''CLERK''': Yeah, the frets are in tune. The frets they're using are...are B-modal. But, uh, 'cuz they just have the same producer.
:'''CUSTOMER''': Albino.
:'''CLERK''': Albino.
:'''CUSTOMER''': Right.
:'''CLERK''': Yeah.
:'''CUSTOMER''': Yeah, I really liked their last album.
:'''CLERK''': Yeah, their old stuff is great! Have you ever seen them live?
:'''CUSTOMER''': Yeah. Yeah.
:'''CLERK''': I mean... I saw, I saw 'em... I saw 'em, like, twice... Actually, uhm, uh, last night, I saw them.
:'''CUSTOMER''': Yeah, I saw them... I saw them earlier this morning. Yeah.
:'''CLERK''': Oh.
:'''CUSTOMER''': Like, four times.
:'''CLERK''': Oh.
:'''CUSTOMER''': Yah. I mean I've been a big, I've been a bigger fan than you for a while, I mean...
:'''CLERK''': Yeah, well...
:'''CUSTOMER''': For a lot longer probably, too...
:'''CLERK''': Well, no no...
:'''CUSTOMER''': I mean, I dunno... Yeah.

== Fun Facts ==
===Trivia===
*According to [[The Brothers Chaps]] in the DVD commentary, this email was actually sent to their email address and not Strong Bad's.
*[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 1]] is almost identical to this email. The sections featuring Strong Bad at the Compy, along with the record store Easter Egg, have simply been removed.

===Remarks===
*When Strong Bad enters the comic, he doesn't have the blue notebook lines on him.

===Inside References===
*The tune that plays while Strong Bad is drawing the comic is similar to the [[A Jumping Jack Contest]] theme.
*Cheerleader's line during the headstone scene is written as [[lowercase_I's|i]] LOOK SO GOOD!

===Real-World References===
* The "independent record store" is probably a reference to how ''The Simpsons'' creator [[Wikipedia:Matt Groening|Matt Groening]] originally sold his ''Life in Hell'' comic strips at the record store he worked at.
*The song playing in the background of the record store bit is [[Wikipedia:Sonic Youth|Sonic Youth's]] [[Wikipedia:Teenage Riot|"Teenage Riot"]] from the album [[Wikipedia:Daydream Nation|Daydream Nation]].
*In the Easter egg, a number of albums are visible:
**[[Wikipedia:Mudhoney|"Mudhoney"]] was a grunge band from the late '80s-early '90s. A 45 for their single "You Stupid Asshole" is in the box labeled "Used 45s". One of Mudhoney's albums is in [[Mike Chapman]]'s favorite albums list.
**[[Wikipedia:Brothers Johnson|The Brothers Johnson]] was a funk band from the '70s. Their album "Winners" is visible.
**The album on the far right is ''[[Wikipedia:A Boy Named Charlie Brown|A Boy Named Charlie Brown]]'' by [[Wikipedia:Vince Guaraldi|The Vince Guaraldi Trio]]. Another Charlie Brown-themed album by the Vince Guaraldi Trio is in [[Matt Chapman]]'s favorite albums list.
*"Al Beno" is most likely a reference to [[Wikipedia:Steve Albini|Steve Albini]], the famous producer, who was not actually associated with Daydream Nation, as well as a reference to albinism. It could also be a reference to the pronunciation of Albino in some versions of the song "Smells Like Teen Spirit": Albeeno instead of Albino.
*[[Wikipedia:Checkers Drive-In|Checkers]] and Rally's are actually two different names for the same chain of restaurants, since they merged in 1999. [[Wikipedia:Sonic Drive-In|Sonic]] Burger is a similar sort of hamburger chain.

===Fast Forward===
*The image of the Arrow'd Guy killing The Ugly One is later used for the [[404'd]] page.

== DVD Version ==
*The State Easter eggs are still viewable using the angle button on your DVD remote, but the underwear one is not.
*The Strong Bad Easter egg near the end of the TGS cartoon is automatically enabled, no clicking required.
*The 45 of Mudhoney's "You Stupid Asshole" has its cover censored.
*The DVD version features hidden creators' commentary. To access it, switch your DVD player's audio language selection while watching.
**This commentary also extends into the Record Shop Easter egg.

=== Commentary Transcript ===
('''Commentary by:''' [[Mike Chapman]], [[Matt Chapman]])

'''MIKE:''' Hi.

'''MATT:''' Hi there. It's Matt.

'''MIKE:''' It's Miiike. Hah-hah.

'''MATT:''' T-taste.

'''MIKE:''' All right.

'''MATT:''' Good taste. So, uh, little-known fact, this email was actually sent to the Brothers Chaps address, ''not'' Strong Bad, uh, and Strong Bad, stole it from us. You kno—

'''MIKE:''' He Shanghaied it.

'''MATT:''' He Shanghaied it, that's what I said last time.

'''MIKE:''' But we were—we had to redo the commentary. The ''original'' take of the commentary Matt said that we Shanghaied it.

'''MATT:''' Yeah. But then Mike cussed a swear later so we had to redo it.

'''MIKE:''' All right, that's enough, I'm ''outta here''.

''{door opening and closing}''

'''MATT:''' Mike really just closed the door and is still sitting next to me.

'''MIKE:''' I'm ''gone'', in the next room!

'''MATT:''' All right, so, let's talk about, uh, Strong Bad's voice here. It sounds much more like Strong Bad at this point.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah.

'''MATT:''' When he's being the girls.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, if you watch this and then go to your computer and watch, maybe Teen Girl Squad Episode 6...

'''MATT:''' They sound a lot—

'''MIKE:''' You'll notice a difference.

'''MATT:''' Yeah. And he's like, he calls—

'''MIKE:''' No mouth! No mouth!

'''MATT:''' And he calls So And So Kristen. ''She'' calls so and so Kristen.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, they've never been—do they even call themselves their... What's Her—oh, I think they—

'''MATT:''' Yeah.

'''MIKE:''' —call her What's Her Face.

'''MATT:''' What's Her Face, you have to go to a junkyard.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah.

'''MATT:''' Umm... ''{pause}'' and here comes an Easter egg. You get to see this for ''free'' on the DVD.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, most people on the website have to click a gravestone over there to see this and...this is just how much we love you guys.

'''MATT:''' And this is Strong Bad referring to how we don't understand how those three fast-food chains can all exist and be so exactly alike. Especially—

'''MIKE:''' I haven't seen a Rally in a long time. I don't know, I guess there's just not many in Atlanta.

'''MATT:''' Yeah. But Checkers and Rally's—

'''MIKE:''' But there's not enough Sonics! The closest Sonic is, like, 20 miles away from us.

'''MATT:''' Yeah.

'''MIKE:''' I like their shakes.

'''MATT:''' ''{quickly}'' That caused a lot of concern.

=== Easter Egg Commentary Transcript ===
'''MIKE:''' So here we are in the independent record store we created in our apartment, uhhh, at about 5 AM—

'''MATT:''' Yep

'''MIKE:''' the night we made this email.

'''MATT:''' Yep. Uh, that thing is, that thing is—the rack that the comics are in is just the bottom of a weird little CD rack I had.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, that's right.

'''MATT:''' But it looks kinda like some kind of magazine rack, doesn't it?

'''MIKE:''' It does.

'''MATT:''' We improvised. I used a—a marker, a magic marker. I improvise—

'''MIKE:''' ''{interrupting}'' And it looks like a cardboarded box was used to ''{Matt starts laughing}'' house the 45, or 7 inch, records.

'''MATT:''' And there's, over on the far left, you can just barely make out the beginnings of a comic—it is a legitimate comic book box that I have that has some comics in it.

'''MIKE:''' Oh yeah.

'''MATT:''' But I think we just cropped it out. ''{pause}'' You know, so we're just obviously making fun of college people and all their... If you walk up...we have Criminal Records here. Wax and Fax both. Any given day, you walk in there. Book Nook as well, that—they'll be talking about jazz. It won't be about indie rock, but they'll be having nerdy nerdy conversations about jazz and trying to one-up each other. Like ''{mimics Super Mario Bros. 1-Up sound effect}''.

'''MIKE''' ''{mimics Super Mario Bros. 1-Up sound effect as well}''

'''MATT:''' You know, a one-up.

'''MIKE:''' It's like a green mushroom.

'''MATT:''' Yeah.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah.

'''MATT:''' Uhm... uh, over there on the far right is The Day of Bob and Lump, Issue... I think it's the Halloween Issue, I don't know which it i—bye.

=== Fun Facts ===
*"What's Her Face, you can go to a junkyard" is a reference to [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 3|Issue 3]].
*The [[Wikipedia:Super Mushroom|green mushroom]] is a reference to the [[Wikipedia:1-up|1-up]] in the [[Wikipedia:Mario|Mario]] series of video games.

== External Links ==
*[[HR:sbemail53.html|watch "comic"]]
*[[HR:sbemail53.swf|view the Flash file for "comic"]]

{{Strong Bad Email}}
{{Teen Girl Squad}}
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PureQuestion — Tue, 29 Jul 2008 05:01:49 GMT

PureQuestion: /* Remarks */ New addition.

{{sbenav|191}}
[[Image:sbemail_191_screenshot_2.png|thumb|"Quit ruining my ruins, Jurassic Dork!"]]

Strong Bad and The Cheat try to discover what is under Strong Badia.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{film|Strong Bad}}, [[Taranchula|Schenkel McDoo]], {{film|The Cheat}}, {{film|Strong Sad}}, {{film|Bubs}}, {{film|The King of Town}} (voice only, Easter Egg)

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[Strong Badia]]

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}

'''Date:''' Monday, March 3, 2008

'''Running Time: ''' 3:55

'''Page Title:''' Lappy 486

==Transcript==

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' Oh, who's checkin' emails with his pants, who's checkin' emails with his pants! ''{brings up the email}''

<blockquote class="lappy email">
<div>subject: Ancient Ruins?</div>
Dear Strong Bad, 
Do you know whether or not there are ancient ruins 
buried deep under Strong Badia? 
Thanks, 
Paul M. Pasquella
</blockquote>
''{reads "Pasquella" as "Pathquaya"}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Well Pauly Pasqually, I know for sure there's a lotta ''something'' buried deep under Strong Badia. Mainly cause I rent out the dirt to unsavory characters in need of a place to stash, ditch, or make disappear, the evidence of their choice. ''{clears screen}'' I never really thought that there might be ancient ruins down there, though. I think this calls for America's coolest children's game show consolation prize: the metal detector! ''{music starts playing}''

''{Cut to a blackboard with "SLOP! MESS! QUIZ!" written on it}''

'''ANNOUNCER:''' And our stupid contestants will receive the Taranchula brand Black Metal Detec-tor! ''{While he speaks, [[Taranchula]]'s logo and the [[Taranchula Black Metal Detector]] appear, followed by Videlectrix Kidx logo.}'' From Videlectrix Kidx..sx!

''{Picture of Schenkel McDoo giving an "OK" sign moves in}''

'''SCHENKEL MCDOO:''' ''{voice}'' Yah guys! Maybe find some coin! ''{words appear as he speaks}''

''{Cut to Strong Badia. Strong Bad and the Cheat are standing in a large, shallow depression in the dirt with a shovel nearby. The Cheat is wearing a pith helmet. Strong Bad is using the Taranchula metal detector.}''

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{questioning The Cheat noises}''

''{Close up on Strong Bad}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' I already told you, man! Where there's ruins, there's riches! And booby-traps we can steal ideas from!

''{Cut back to wide shot}''

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{The Cheat noises, saluting}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Well, let's do thiiiiiiiiiis! ''{ends on a high pitch}''

''{Strong Bad switches on metal detector and moves it around. The metal detector makes heavy metal beats in changing frequency}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Whoa, we're getting warm! ''{takes a step forward, the metal detector starts playing a guitar solo}'' We've got something, The Cheat!

''{He steps back and The Cheat sweeps the ground with a small brush. A small red object appears in the dirt.}''

''{Close-up of Strong Bad}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{dropping metal detector}'' It looks like the top of an enormous riches-filled structure! And wait, there's an inscription! ''{leans forward, reading}'' "Col...donesdry..." Must be the name of an ancient civilization!

''{Cut to close-up of Strong Sad in front of the fence}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' ''{raising finger}'' Uh, me again! I think that's just the cap of a bottle of ''{cut to bottle cap in the dirt}'' Cold Ones Dry. You could probably just pick it up.

''{Cut back to wide shot}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' What, are you crazy? I'm not touching that thing! It's booby trapped! It'll shoot a bunch of poison-tipped witch doctors at me!

''{Close up of Strong Sad}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Riiiiiight. Or, it's just a bottle cap, and you're crazier than ever.

''{Close up of Strong Bad}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' You may be half right, kid. ''{picks up metal detector}'' Now, help me find some dang riches. ''{cut to wide shot. Strong Bad starts moving the metal detector over the dirt again. The detector makes heavy metal beat in changing frequency.}'' Uh...uh... ''{metal detector plays guitar solo}'' Whoa! ''{Strong Bad drops to the ground}'' Check out this futuristic sheet of paper!

''{Close up of Strong Bad unfolding a sheet of metal foil with a picture of a smiling alien head with arms and legs and the caption "BABBY ALIEN"}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh. My. Geez. I knew it! Strong Badia was originally colonized by extra-terrestrials! ''{cut to close up of Strong Bad}'' That explains why I'm so brilliant! And why all beings look the same except for slight differences of our foreheads!

''{Cut back to wide shot}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' No, that's just a piece of tin foil with a picture Strong Mad drew of you when you were little. ''{close up of Strong Sad}'' There's even a petrified chicken nugget in there that he left you. ''{As he talks, shot of Strong Bad pulling said nugget out of a fold in the foil's edge}''

''{Cut back to wide shot}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{dropping nugget}'' Quit ruining my ruins, Jurassic Dork! This clearly says "Babby Alien". ''{close up}'' Which is probably the name of my true mother, who left me here as a young larva hundreds of years ago, until someone, I'm guessing an elderly oatmeal enthusiast, unwittingly disturbed my cocoon. ''{As he talks, the scene is described in a thought bubble by Strong Mad-style drawings}'' Oh, Babs! Why did you leave me stranded here?

''{Cut to shot of Bubs standing to the side}''

'''BUBS:''' Oh, sorry about that, Strong Bad. Was I supposed to come earlier?

''{Cut to wide shot of Bubs and Strong Bad}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' What? No, I said "Babs". ''"Babs".''

'''BUBS:''' Bubs, Babs, whatever. I take what I can get.

'''STRONG BAD:''' Whahn?

''{Close up of Bubs}''

'''BUBS:''' Anyways, I'm here for my weekly, ''Ahem'', "delivery". ''{indicates barrels of "inTOXICatingly good WASTE" beside him}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Yeah, yeah, just bury it wherever. ''{cut to close up}'' But if you uncover any ruins, or hot aliens, or riches, they're mine, OK?

''{Cut to wide shot of Bubs and Strong Bad}''

'''BUBS:''' Uh, what about fellas named Rich?

'''STRONG BAD:''' Wha-what? No, I don't know anyone named Rich.

''{Close up of Bubs}''

'''BUBS:''' OK, good. ''{extreme close-up, with intensity}'' Then he can stay where he is!

''{Wide shot}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' Uh, is there anyway I can unhear the last few sentences? ''{close up}'' Or years of my life?

''{Cut back to the Lappy}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' So, no, Pascual Perez, there are no ancient ruins buried under Strong Badia. Or, at least, not one foot under Strong Badia. Digging is hard, man! Did you ever try to dig a hole? It's not all wipes and montages like in the movies. It takes forever! But who knows what wonders lie, say, one-and-a-half feet beneath Strong Badia? Or, dare I say it, a few feet beneath Strong Badia. Why it staggers the bad imagination.

''{An illustration of what might be a few feet under Strong Badia moves onscreen. After a moment, the [[New Paper]] comes down}''

==Easter Eggs==
[[Image:Not-The-Police Card.png|thumb|"Your Friendly Neighborhood Not-The-Police"]]
*Click on the text "rent out the dirt" after Strong Bad types it to see Strong Bad's business card.
*At the end, click on the box of peas in the "impenetrable diaper crust" to hear The King of Town describe how he'd like to eat the various layers of the Earth:
:'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' Ooh, that thing looks delicious! I'll take two slices of that, a piece of the igneous pie, and a molten core tart. 
:'''LADY:''' Oh, that looks sinful!
:'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' Shut up, lady!
*Also at the end, click on "coldonesdry" to see a promo for Cold Ones Dry:
:''{A Cold Ones Dry bottle cap slowly moves across a purple background}''
:'''ANNOUNCER''': Cold Ones Dry, the official beverage of Taranchula.
:''{A picture of Schenkel McDoo appears with a word balloon reading what he's about to say}''
:'''SCHENKEL MCDOO''': Yah guys, Yold Ones Vry!
:'''ANNOUNCER''': That's right Sven, learn to speak American.

==Fun Facts==

===Explanations===
*[[Wikipedia:Black metal|Black metal]] is a style of heavy metal music characterized by the use of fast tempos, high-pitched guitars often played with tremolo picking, high-pitched shrieking vocals, and unconventional song structures. It is strongly associated with Norway and Sweden.
*A "[[Wikipedia:Wipe (transition)|wipe]]" is a transition in which one image seems to "wipe" off (replace) the other from the screen.
*An [[Wikipedia:Igneous|igneous]] rock is "a rock or mineral that solidified from molten or partly molten material."
*Strong Bad uses a mock [[Spanish|Castilian Spanish]] pronunciation of "Pasquella" when reading the email.

===Remarks===
*In the [[HR:/menuswfs/menu_sbemail191.swf|preview]] for this email, the [[Stop Sign]] is not shown.
*Strong Bad previously mentioned in the [[retirement#Commentary Transcript|retirement commentary]] that he would like to win a metal detector in a children's game show.
*When Strong Bad detects the tinfoil drawing, he doesn't dig in the same spot that the metal detector detected the metal.
*Videlectrix Kidx is mentioned in this email despite there already being a [[Kidelectrix]] mentioned in [[Who Said What Now?]].
* Strong Sad is younger than Strong Bad, making it odd that he would know about Strong Mad's drawing, as well as the fact that there would be a "Petrified Chicken Nugget" wrapped in it.

===Goofs===
*After Strong Bad clears the screen following the business card Easter egg, the egg is still available for a few seconds by clicking the empty space.

===Inside References===
[[Image:UnderSB.PNG|thumb|A few feet under Strong Badia.]]
*Strong Bad references [[pants]] at the beginning.
*The metal detector is made by [[Videlectrix]] Kidx.
*The bottle cap is from a bottle of [[Cold One|Cold Ones]] Dry.
*Buried underground in one of the bottom layers is what appears to be [[Homeschool Winner]]'s [[skull]], a reference to his [[death]] from [[Sample of Style]].
*The lady who says "That looks sinful" in the Easter egg was previously heard in the email [[bottom 10]], describing a "Chocolardiac Arrest".
*The King of Town says "[[Shut Up, Lady|Shut up, lady!]]" in the Easter egg.
*The crate of [[peas]] in the top layer was where Strong Bad hoped the King of Town would be trapped in the email [[different town]].
*Bubs seems to be hiding the [[death]] of some fellow named Rich, whose coffin can be seen at the end of the email.
*Strong Bad believes his [[parents]] are [[aliens]].
*Bubs's toxic waste cans read "iNTOXICATiNGLY good WASTE" using [[Lowercase i's]].
*The [[Generic Announcers|announcer]] for Cold Ones Dry was previously heard during the [[business trip]] Easter egg.
*The business card Easter egg mentions [[Not x|Not-the-police]].


===Real-World References===
*"Jurassic Dork" refers to ''[[Wikipedia:Jurassic Park|Jurassic Park]]'', a novel by Michael Crichton which later became a [[Wikipedia:Jurassic Park franchise|movie series]].
*[[Wikipedia:Pascual Pérez (baseball)|Pascual Pérez]] was a major league pitcher, marking another case of a former [[Wikipedia:Atlanta Braves|Atlanta Braves]] player being mentioned.
*Sleestaks are ancient reptilian creatures from ''[[Wikipedia:Land of the Lost (1974 TV series)|The Land of the Lost]]''. [[The Poopsmith]] dressed as a Sleestak in [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]] and [[TrogdorCon '97]].
*Strong Bad's line about beings with different foreheads refers the Star Trek: The Next Generation episode '[[MemoryAlpha:The_Chase|The Chase]]', in which the Enterprise crew discover a message from an ancient race who claim to have seeded the galaxy with other races that look like them, including humans and Klingons.
*The idea of an oatmeal enthusiast discovering Strong Bad's cocoon is a reference to [[Wikipedia:Wilford Brimley|Wilford Brimley]]. Along with his role in ''[[Wikipedia:Cocoon (film)|Cocoon]]'', Brimley is also well-known for his [[Wikipedia:Quaker Oats Company|Quaker Oatmeal]] commercials.
*The song played by the Taranchula Metal Detector bears a strong resemblance to the introduction of the song ''Bloody Tears'' from the [[Wikipedia:NES|NES]] game ''[[Wikipedia:Castlevania II: Simon's Quest|Castlevania II: Simon's Quest]]''.

==External Links==
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