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Lappynapped!

Timmodonuts — Mon, 07 Aug 2023 12:54:38 GMT

Timmodonuts: Added YouTube link

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[[Image:Missing Lappy.PNG|thumb|"Hello, Strong Bad. I'm waiting for you."]]
Listening to messages on ''his'' answering machine for a change, Strong Bad continues his search for the missing [[Lappy 486|Lappy]] and a "kick-awesome guitarist".

'''Cast (in order of appearance, all voice only):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, {{Film|Strong Sad}}, {{Film|The King of Town}} as Furious Fingers, {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, [[Dolph Hauldhagen]] (Easter egg)

'''Places:''' [[Bulletin Board]]

'''Date:''' Monday, September 25, 2006

'''Running Time:''' 2:02

'''Page Title:''' I do my own GRFX

{{dvd|strongbad_email.exe Disc Five}}

==Transcript==

''{A close-up of a bulletin board appears and remains for the entirety of the cartoon. A Limozeen poster, an advertisement for battle axe lessons, and a couple business cards are pinned to the board behind a large notice for Strong Bad's missing Lappy 486 computer. The notice also requests inquiries from guitarists.}''

''{A touch-tone telephone is heard dialing. The telephone line rings and Strong Bad's answering machine picks up.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Thank you for calling attractive Strong Bad. If you have any information regarding my missing and full-on favorite fold-em-up computer, please leave your name and number. And if you have any hot lixx, please shred them after the tone.

''{The answering machine beeps}''

'''CALLER WITH A DEEP, SEEMINGLY DISGUISED VOICE:''' Hello, Strong Bad. I'm waiting for you{{--}}

''{The caller coughs, and begins speaking in normal voice. He is revealed to be Strong Sad.}''

'''STRONG SAD:''' {{--}}Oh, excuse me! I had one of those spit bubbles stuck in my throat. Anyways, I'm waiting for you here at the bus station. I just got back from my trip to the Regrettable History Museum. And you were supposed to pick me up... 3 days ago! I guess I'll just be waitin' for you here at the staysh. Listen to me: I've been here so long I'm on a nickname basis with the bus station.

''{The answering machine beeps}''

''{a distorted guitar plays clumsy licks, ending in a downward slide}''

'''THE KING OF TOWN:''' Ow! In case your mind wasn't totally blown by that blathering solo, my name's "Furious Fingers", from Los Angeles. I'm from L.A.! I own seventeen guitars, with a combined total of forty-three necks. I can provide my own leather pants, and a really cool castle where we can shoot all our videos. Oh, and I also did not eat your laptop computer. Gimme a call. "Furious Fingers", "ow", "leather pants", "from L.A."

''{The answering machine beeps}''

'''CALLER WHO SOUNDS EXACTLY LIKE [[Marzipan|MARZIPAN]]:''' Hi, Strong Bad. This is your next-door neighbor the crocodile. Can I borrow a cup of sugar? I'm going to make some puppy-dough cookies tonight{{--}}

''{The caller coughs, switches to his own voice, and coughs again. He is revealed to be Homestar Runner.}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' {{--}}Ooh! Got a spit bubble stuck in my throat. Anyway, Strong Bad, I was serious about the sugar. And... the crocodile thing.

''{The answering machine beeps}''

==Easter Eggs==
[[Image:Museum of regrettable history.png|thumb|"A Trip to the Moon?"]]
*When Strong Sad says "Regrettable History Museum", click on the picture of the Lappy to see a [[postcard]] from the museum.
*At the end, click on the yellow paper showing the left half of Dolph Hauldhagen to hear his answering machine recording.

:'''DOLPH HAULDHAGEN:''' Thank you for calling Dolph Hauldhagen, the Instruc-TOR. How many times a day do you ask yourself, "Why do I suck?" I firmly believe that with my battle axe lessons, we can cut that down to two or three. Meet me Wednesday nights at 6pm in Monty Gym. Oh, and leave your axe in your car until the Pilates class is over. Man, those chicks scare easy.

==Fun Facts==
===Explanations===
*This toon was released one week following the Strong Bad Email [[cliffhangers]], when the Lappy was stolen.
*"Puppy-dough cookies" refer to [[Wikipedia:Hushpuppy|hushpuppies]], deep-fried balls of cornmeal, which are mentioned frequently in [[retirement]].
*[[Wikipedia:Pilates|Pilates]] is a physical exercise program.

===Remarks===
*This toon [[Toons Without Back Buttons|doesn't have any "Back" button]] at the end.
*Despite his message stating that his class is on Wednesday evenings at 6pm, Dolph's flyer in the toon still reads "Sat. 6am-9am" as it did in the email [[other days]].
*The King of Town doesn't have any [[Lack of Visible Arms|visible fingers]], making "Furious Fingers" an interesting choice for his musical pseudonym.
*The average number of necks per guitar in the King of Town's collection is about two and one half necks.
*Strong Sad remarks that Strong Bad was supposed to pick him up three days ago, but he (Strong Sad) "just got back" from his trip.
**Also, Strong Bad [[car|"doesn't have a car"]], so it's not clear how he could pick up Strong Sad anyway.
*This toon cannot be found on the [[Toons]] page as most other "recently added" toons can at the time of their release. The only link to this toon was in the [[Main Page Messages]], and currently there are [[Secret Pages|no pages on the site which link to it]].
*This is another instance of a [[Gibson Flying V]].
*A "spit bubble" lowered the pitch of Strong Sad's voice, yet it raised the pitch of Homestar's.

===Inside References===
*The [[Limozeen]] poster is from the [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits]] CD booklet.
**It features a reappearance of the [[Donnie Chapman]] photographs from [[monster truck]].
*The poster in the top right corner with "Wednesday" on it is also featured on the CD booklet. It advertises "Strong Bad live in [[West Rekjavik]]".
*The postcard in the Easter egg is another reference to [[The Moon]].
*The leftmost tab on the missing Lappy flyer reads "strond bad", which was spelled that way in [[lunch special]] and [[Strongest Man in the World]].
*The Lappy is referred to as a "[[X 'em up|fold-'em-up]] computer".
*Strong Bad's message refers to [[Hot Lixx]].
*The King of Town's guitar-playing abilities were first introduced in [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 13.2]], in which he "plays guitar, apparently".
*The King of Town mentions [[pants]].
*Both Strong Sad and Homestar had a spit bubble caught in their throats, which is a similar scenario to when [[Marshie]] got a toenail caught in his throat in [[Malloween Commercial]].
*[[Coach Z]] has also had his voice distorted twice, during a confession in [[couch patch]] and as an eyewitness during an interview in [[myths & legends#Easter Eggs|myths & legends]].
*[[Dolph Hauldhagen]] was the battle axe instructor at the rec center in [[other days]].

===Real-World References===
*''[[Wikipedia:A Trip to the Moon|A Trip to the Moon]]'' was a groundbreaking 1902 silent film by filmmaker and illusionist George Méliès.
*The "[[Wikipedia:Pearls Before Swine (comics)#The Crocodiles|next-door neighbor the crocodile]]" is a recurring character in the syndicated comic strip ''[[Wikipedia:Pearls Before Swine (comic strip)|Pearls Before Swine]]''.

===Fast Forward===
*The [[Lappy 486#Lappy-napping|Lappy-napped saga]] was concluded the following week in [[retirement]].
*The convention of [[Words with Omitted Syllables|shortening of "-ation" to "-aysh"]] was also used by Homestar in [[Hremail 62]].
*The King of Town would play guitar for Strong Bad's band, [[DÖI]], in [[Baddest of the Bands]].

== DVD Version ==
*The Dolph Hauldhagen Easter egg plays automatically.

==External Links==
{{extlinks|lappynapped|youtube=dMomAnbNUPk|9911}}

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[[Category:Not Quite Strong Bad Emails]]
[[Category:Secret Pages]]

Jockstraps

Timmodonuts — Fri, 03 Mar 2023 14:14:27 GMT

Timmodonuts: Sports 'stars' not 'starts'

[[Image:JockTrade.png|thumb|"You let me borrow your hat, I let you borrow my jock."]]

As a piece of sports equipment used as a substitute for underwear, the '''{{wp|Jock Strap}}''' has been a staple of comedy for years, so naturally turns up in the silly world of Homestar Runner, usually in relation to [[Coach Z]].

==Appearances==

*[[In Search of the Yello Dello]] {{--}} There's a jock strap discarded on top of the lockers when Coach Z talks to [[Homestar Runner]] in his "[[Locker Room|office]]".
* [[Halloween Fairstival]] {{--}} Coach Z tries to scare [[The Cheat]] with Blue Star [[Ointment]], a remedy for jock itch.
* Email [[candy product]] {{--}} [[Strong Bad]] wonders why sports stars have licenced candy products when he thinks it would be more appropriate for them to have branded jock straps or divorce lawyers.
* [[Homestar Ruiner]] {{--}} Strong Bad puts itching powder on Coach Z's jock strap for three years and frames Homestar Runner for it, before realising that Coach Z never noticed and/or complained.
* [[Baddest of the Bands]] {{--}}
** Coach Z's office contains an apparently sentient mound of unwashed socks and crusty jocks.
** If [[Bubs]] finds the alarm in Coach Z's office, and it's not the last incident to convince him that Coach Z still has street cred, he catches himself talking to no-one, and blames it on the jock strap fumes.
* [[Coach Z's 110%]] {{--}} The tapes all have images of a jock strap on them.
* [[Where my Hat is at? (Toon)]] {{--}} Homestar Runner tries to get [[Pom Pom]] to trade his hat for Homestar's jock strap.
* [[4 Gregs]] {{--}} When the Gregs get hit with an "explicit wedgie", a jock strap is seen flying.
* [[Marzipan's Answering Machine 17.2]] {{--}} Coach Z asks [[Marzipan]] to find some exonerating evidence that he's got under a pile of jock straps, advising her to spray Right-Guard on her arm to do so.
* Email [[the next april fools thing]] {{--}} Coach Z twirls a jock-strap on his fingers as he admires Strong Bad ranting at himself in the mirror.

[[Category:Clothing running gags]]
[[Category:Sports]]

Homestar Runner and The Poopsmith's Relationship

Timmodonuts — Thu, 23 Jun 2022 12:50:55 GMT

Timmodonuts: /* Homestar Runner and the Poopsmith in Conflict */

[[File:sbemail142BreakInShot.png|thumb|"I let him in. Here you go. Oh, and you're out of mayo."]]
'''[[Homestar Runner]] and [[The Poopsmith]]''' seem to have a good relationship, though they do sometimes have bad moments.

==Homestar Runner and the Poopsmith Getting Along/Working Together==
*[[The King of Town DVD]] — Homestar asks the Poopsmith if he's seen [[The King of Town]]'s [[The King of Town's Sheep|sheep]].
*[[A Jumping Jack Contest]] — The Poopsmith helps Homestar [[Peeing|relieve]] himself after he drinks too much [[Melonade]].
*Email [[the show]] — The Poopsmith is a contestant on [[The Show]].
*[[The Poopsmith's Character Video]] — Homestar narrates the character video, and says the Poopsmith is a good guy, but got a crappy job.
*Email [[labor day]] — Homestar invites the Poopsmith to his Labor Day party.
*[[3 Times Halloween Funjob]] — Homestar asks the Poopsmith for some candy, and also compliments his [[Halloween Costumes|costume]].
*[[Tis True, Pom Pom, Tis True]] — The Poopsmith checks on Homestar after he is knocked out.
*[[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]] — Homestar and [[Pom Pom]] help the King of Town find the Poopsmith.
*[[Halloween Potion-Ma-Jig]] — Homestar can ask the Poopsmith for ground ground.
*Email [[secret identity]] — Homestar lets the Poopsmith into the [[House of the Brothers Strong]] without [[Strong Bad]]'s consent.
*[[Ever and More]] — The Poopsmith joins the [[Broternal Order of Different Helmets]].
*[[Jibblies 2]] — Homestar Runner says that the Poopsmith doesn't need good smells.
*Email [[winter pool]] — The Poopsmith saves Homestar's life (as well as his own and Strong Bad's) by summoning the King of Town to eat all the [[Fluffy Puff Translucent Dessert Related Substance]] so they can escape.
*[[Doomy Tales of the Macabre]] — The Poopsmith dances to Homestar's singing.

==Homestar Runner and the Poopsmith in Conflict==
*[[Yearbook Character Page]] — Homestar apparently thinks that the Poopsmith is over 1,000 years old.
*Email [[the show]] — The Poopsmith leaves [[The Show]], seemingly out of annoyance.
*[[3 Times Halloween Funjob]] — Homestar scolds the Poopsmith for giving him [[whatsit]] instead of candy.
*[[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]] — Homestar leaves the Poopsmith tied up, and clicks a flashlight on and off in his face, while saying "All right, buster, move it along here! Nothing to see, nothing to see!" and thinking the Poopsmith is [[Biscuitdoughhandsman]].
*Email [[high school]] — Homestar Runner pushes the sweeping end of a broom at [[Middle School Variation|the Diapersmith]].
*[[Strong Badia the Free]] — If Homestar and the Poopsmith meet up in [[Maps and Minions]], Homestar kicks the Poopsmith in the stomach.
*[[I Killed Pom Pom]] — Homestar is accused of eating the Poopsmith's pile of whatsit. In response, the Poopsmith threatens him with his costume's claw hand.
*[[Homestar Ruiner]] - If the Poopsmith sees Homestar in the castle whilst shoveling poo, he will summon Strong Mad to throw Homestar back outside.

{{incomplete list}}

[[Category:Character Relationships]]
[[Category:Homestar Runner]]
[[Category:The Poopsmith]]

Halloween Hijinks Costumes

Timmodonuts — Mon, 03 Jan 2022 15:01:24 GMT

Timmodonuts: broken link

[[Halloween Costumes|Costumes]] that the characters wore in [[Halloween Hijinks]], Halloween 2020.

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! Image !! Character !! Costume !! Explanation !! External Links
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|| [[File:Homestar as Bod.png|150px]] || [[Homestar Runner]] || Bod || Bod was a BBC animated children's television program that aired in the US on [[Nickelodeon]] in the early '80s. It is about a young boy named Bod who lives in a town with several other characters, which his costume Easter egg references. [[retroCRUSH Interview|As far back as 2001]], [[The Brothers Chaps]] have cited ''Bod'' as an early inspiration of ''Homestar Runner''. || [[wikipedia:Bod (TV series)|Wikipedia article]]
|-
|| [[File:Strong Bad as General Zod.png|150px]] || [[Strong Bad]] || General Zod || General Zod is a supervillain from DC Comics, a megalomaniacal Kryptonian and one of Superman's greatest foes. Strong Bad's costume is from the movie ''[[Wikipedia:Superman II|Superman II]]'', where Zod is portrayed by actor [[Wikipedia:Terence Stamp|Terence Stamp]]. In Strong Bad's Easter egg, Strong Mad and Marzipan dress as Zod's minions [[Wikipedia:Non (comics)|Non]] and [[Wikipedia:Ursa (DC Comics)|Ursa]] respectively; Strong Bad also quotes the famous "Kneel before Zod!" line. || [[Wikipedia:General Zod|Wikipedia article]]
|-
|| [[File:Strong Mad as My Pet Monster.png|150px]] || [[Strong Mad]] || My Pet Monster || My Pet Monster was a plush toy line created by American Greetings in 1986. The toy line spawned a Saturday morning cartoon series that aired on ABC in 1987. American Greetings took a different approach with My Pet Monster than with most other plush dolls of the era, specifically marketing the toys toward young boys.|| [[wikipedia:My Pet Monster|Wikipedia article]]
|-
|| [[File:Strong Sad as Great Space Coaster Baxter.png|150px]] || [[Strong Sad]] || Baxter from The Great Space Coaster || Tubby Baxter is a puppet clown character from the children's TV show ''The Great Space Coaster'', a series featuring many [[Muppets]] and [[Sesame Street]] alumni. He is an inhabitant of Coasterville that pilots the coaster and formerly worked for the "M.T. Promises" circus. || [[wikipedia:The Great Space Coaster|Wikipedia article]]
|-
|| [[File:Coach Z as Del from Gorillaz.png|150px]] || [[Coach Z]] || Del from Gorillaz || Del the Funky Homosapien is an American rapper. Collaborating with the virtual band Gorillaz on their first album (including the single [[Wikipedia:Clint Eastwood (song)|Clint Eastwood]], which Coach Z quotes in an Easter egg), he was featured as "Del tha Ghost Rapper" - a murdered musician whose spirit took residence in drummer Russel Hobbs' body. || [[Wikipedia:Del tha Funkee Homosapien|Wikipedia article]]
|-
|| [[File:Pom Pom as Capital City Goofball.png|150px]] || [[Pom Pom]] || The Capital City Goofball || The Capital City Goofball is the mascot for the Capital City baseball team on ''[[The Simpsons]]''. He first appeared in the episode “Dancin’ Homer”, where Homer Simpson becomes a mascot for the Springfield Isotopes. In that appearance, his only speaking role, he was voiced by actor [[Wikipedia:Tom Poston|Tom Poston]]. || [[wikipedia:List of recurring The Simpsons characters#Capital City Goofball|Wikipedia article]]
|-
|| [[File:King of Town as Captain Cupcake.png|150px]] || [[The King of Town]] || Captain Cupcake || Captain Cupcake is an advertising mascot created to promote the line of [[Wikipedia:Hostess CupCakes|CupCakes]] made by Hostess Brands. He was the second mascot introduced to promote the company’s snack cakes, following the earlier Twinkie the Kid. The Captain, like his predecessor, is an anthropomorphic version of the product he promotes, dressed in clothing similar to what a navy ship’s captain might wear. However, unlike his predecessor Captain Cupcake was not as popular and is not as widely seen on packaging as Twinkie the Kid is in modern times.|| [[Wikipedia:Captain Cupcake|Wikipedia article]]
|-
|| [[File:Bubs as Beedle.png|150px]] || [[Bubs]] || Beedle || Beedle is a recurring merchant in ''[[The Legend of Zelda]]'' series who made his first appearance in the 2002 game ''[[Wikipedia:The Legend of Zelda: The Wind Waker|The Wind Waker]]'' for the [[Nintendo]] GameCube. Bubs’ costume represents Beedle as he appears in the 2017 Nintendo Switch and Wii U title ''[[Wikipedia:The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild|Breath of the Wild]]. || [[wikipedia:Characters of The Legend of Zelda#Beedle|Wikipedia article]]
|-
|| [[File:Marzipan as Captain Planet.png|150px]] || [[Marzipan]] || Captain Planet || Captain Planet is a superhero conceived by media mogul Ted Turner to promote environmental awareness and the central character of the 1990s cartoon series ''Captain Planet and the Planeteers''. The story of his origin involves five teenagers from various parts of the world, each of whom is given a special ring with a specific power by Gaia, the Greek goddess of the Earth who awoke in the 20th century to discover her realm had been overrun by pollution. Four of the rings represent the four classical physical elements (Earth, fire, wind, water) and the fifth represents life (heart). When the five rings are joined together, the combination of the five powers is strong enough to summon Captain Planet.|| [[Wikipedia:Captain Planet|Wikipedia article]]
|-
|| [[File:The Cheat as Ponyo.png|150px]] || [[The Cheat]] || Ponyo || Ponyo is a human-like fish creature from the Hayao Miyazaki [[anime]] film of the same name. In the film, she uses magic to grow legs and become more humanoid, demonstrated in The Cheat's Easter egg when he sprouts chicken-like legs. || [[Wikipedia:Ponyo|Wikipedia article]]
|-
|| [[File:Poopsmith as 1 Guy from Andromeda.png|150px]] || [[The Poopsmith]] || 1 Guy from Andromeda || The Two Guys from Andromeda are the developers of [[Sierra]]'s ''[[wikipedia:Space Quest|Space Quest]]'' franchise of adventure games. They would appear in-character as aliens with mohawks and false pig noses. || [[wikipedia:Space Quest|Wikipedia article]]
|-
|| [[File:Homsar as B.O.B..png|150px]] || [[Homsar]] || B.O.B. || Old B.O.B. is a robot voiced by [[Wikipedia:Slim Pickens|Slim Pickens]] from the 1979 [[Disney]] film ''The Black Hole''. He along with his best friend V.I.N.CENT. are last of their kind aboard the U.S.S. Cygnus, which he calls a "Death Ship". His battered appearance is courtesy of other robots who bully him and call him a freak. || [[Wikipedia:The Black Hole (1979 film)|Wikipedia article]]
|}

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[[Category:Halloween Costumes]]

Flashforward Interview - 10 Feb 2006

Timmodonuts — Mon, 01 Feb 2021 17:00:23 GMT

Timmodonuts: /* Advertising */

[[Image:Flashforward 2006 Seattle logo.PNG|thumb|400px|The logo of Flashforward 2006.]]
[[Matt Chapman|Matt]] and [[Mike Chapman]], creators of [[HomestarRunner.com]], will be presenting "[[Flashforward 2006 Seattle - 28 Feb 2006|How and Why Homestar Runner Cartoons Get Made]]" at '''Flashforward2006 Seattle'''. Learn more in this audio interview with Lynda Weinman: what it's like working together every day, why they still proudly use Flash 5, how they incorporate audio and video, how they are able to offer free content with no ads, the importance of interactivity, and what other projects they've worked on.

Twenty-two minutes and forty-eight seconds of pure Friday fun!

==Transcript==
===Introduction===
'''LYNDA WEINMAN:''' Hi, you're listening to the Flashforward Conference and Film Festival Podcast. The largest Flash user conference in the world, sponsored by Adobe Systems and produced by [http://www.lynda.com/ lynda.com]. I'm Lynda Weinman, founder of the conference. If you'd like to learn more about Flashforward, please visit [http://www.flashforwardconference.com/ flashforwardconference.com]. Listen to the end of the podcast for information on our upcoming conference in Seattle, on February 27th through March 2nd, 2006. In each podcast episode, I will be conducting a phone interview with one of our speakers, sponsors, or film festival finalists. In today's Flashforward podcast, I interview Matt and Mike Chapman, [[The Brothers Chaps]], who are the creators of the homestarrunner.com website. They will be speaking for the first time at the Flashforward Conference and Film Festival on Tuesday, February 28th, from 3:45 to 5:00pm in Room 6B. This is their session description: ''"How and Why Homestar Runner Cartoons get Made: Take a step back in time as Mike and Matt Chapman show how they still use Flash® 5 to make the weekly cartoons featured on HomestarRunner.com. Learn the secrets and not-so-secrets of making a 3-5 minute cartoon every week. Hear about their six years on the web, watch some of their stuff, and learn how they've managed to make a living doing something they like."''
===Welcome!===
'''LYNDA:''' ''{now over telephone}'' Well, it's really great to connect with you both over the telephone, I have Mike and, uh, Matt Chapman over the phone with me. Welcome!

'''MIKE:''' Hi, thank you.

'''LYNDA:''' Hey, we're really excited to have you at Flashforward, is this your first speaking gig at a technology conference?

'''MIKE:''' Absolutely.

'''MATT:''' We're very thrilled to be part of it and we're kind of... we still think it's sort of an accident, probably.

'''LYNDA:''' ''{laughs}''

'''MIKE:''' Flashforward, since I think I maybe heard of it in 2000? Pretty much right when we started using Flash.

'''LYNDA:''' I know, I was, you know, looking at your bio and seeing that you started in 2000 and that's when the conference started as well, so we share the same birthdate.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah.

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah.

===Flash discussion===

'''MATT:''' Flashforward was really, I think that's what exploded ''{?}'' in terms of–

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, we got Flash 4 in, I guess, 1999, late 1999.

'''LYNDA:''' So had you ever done animation before you got Flash 4?

'''MATT:''' Yeah, we'd done it in lots of other forms, we'd done stop-motion stuff, we'd messed, you know, with just cel... very crude hand-drawn cel animation. Growing up we did a lot of that stuff. All very crude and not very advanced.

'''MIKE:''' We'd do stop-motion with a video camera where the smallest chunks of time you could give would be about two or three seconds.

'''MATT:''' ''{laughing}'' Yeah, you couldn't come anywhere close to frame-by-frame animation.

'''LYNDA:''' Well, I mean, those roots really show in your work, even though, even though a lot of people would look at it and say it's crude, I think people who are trained in animation recognize that there is artistry to what you're doing, absolutely.

'''MIKE:''' Well, thank you.

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah.

'''MIKE:''' So when we got Flash 4 we were pretty thrilled with how easy it was to, you know, to manipulate things and to sort of have this library you could pull from instead of having to redraw every time, so that was very nice, we were pretty- pretty psyched.

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah I think Flash started its life as a different product and it- it didn't have any interactivity at all, it only had animation and drawing tools, so it- it had- it had- it was the first program I ever saw that had onion skinning, it was called SmartSketch. ''{pause}'' And-

'''MATT:''' Onion skinning comes in very handy.

'''MIKE:''' Was that FutureSplash?

'''LYNDA:''' FutureSplash, there you go. That's what it was called, oops. ''{laughs}''

'''MIKE:''' I did my homework.

'''LYNDA:''' You did what?

'''MIKE:''' I did my homework.

'''LYNDA:''' Yes you did. Um, and your- your memory is better than mine.

===Family Affair===

'''LYNDA:''' So, where are you guys based?

'''MIKE:''' We're based in Decatur, Georgia, which is just east of Atlanta.

'''LYNDA:''' And, um, this is a family affair even that extends beyond you two brothers, correct?

'''MIKE:''' Yes, pretty much everyone; our sister, dad and mom, and uh, inlaws, everybody helps out whenever they get a chance. Us two and our sister are full time employees. And everyone else pitches in when something needs to be done.

'''LYNDA:''' I'm sure you're all quite amazed by the success of this, do you want to talk a little about that? I mean were your parents always supportive of this sort... of your drawing and animation experiments and things like that?

'''MATT:''' Yeah, Mike and I, we, we always say that we had the sort of curse of having the parents that were too interested and too supportive of everything you were doing, and our dad and mom would drive four hours to see my crappy band play in college in a smokey bar ''{Lynda laughs at this}'', stuff like that, and it was sort of like "I kind of don't want you guys to be here at a crappy club, I can't swear on stage then."

'''MIKE:''' "I won't be able to drink beers then."

'''MATT:''' Yeah. But, I mean obviously it was wonderful, and it was very cool our dad's a retired accountant, so Mike and I started tinkering around with Flash and when we got the website up it had a lot of stuff going, he kind of encouraged us to try and sell some t-shirts or whatever, he's definitely our biggest fan, and he's always supported us in all our creative endeavors. I think that's part of his thing, he definitely always wanted to be a writer and ended up being an accountant, so I think sort of through, you know, he was getting his creative jones through his sons, which we're totally cool with, so....

'''LYNDA:''' That's really neat. So you have a musical background as well as writing and drawing.

'''MATT:''' Yeah...

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, our musical background is just as mediocre as all of our other backgrounds... College rock band... "Technically..." What did you call it?

'''MATT:''' Trained? Technically trained?

'''LYNDA:''' Well, I think in some ways the mediocrity is the charm, because it makes it sort of... people can identify with the pure creative spirit that's coming out of Homestar Runner. You know, the stories and the characters and the humor I think are really approachable to most people.

'''MATT:''' We hope so.

'''MIKE:''' "Technically Proficient", that's what I was trying to think of.

'''MATT:''' "Technically Proficient"?

'''MIKE:''' Proficient, yeah, that's a hard word for me to come up with.

===Why not upgrade?===

'''LYNDA:''' So, speaking of Technically Proficient, what version of Flash are you guys using right now?

'''MIKE:''' Proudly using Flash 5.

'''MATT:''' Yeah. And have been since, since 2001 or whenever it came out.

'''LYNDA:''' Wow. Is there a reason why you have not upgraded?

'''MIKE:''' There's several reasons, and we'll let everyone know at the Flashforward conference what they are.

'''LYNDA:''' OK.

'''MIKE:''' Lots of little small things. We actually publish everything in Flash 7 still, and we'll get Flash 8 just because the compression is so much better, the filesize is generally about 30% smaller...

'''LYNDA''' Mmm-hmm...

'''MIKE:''' ...so that's always good. But there's lots of little minor things, like the color selection, and...

'''MATT:''' Frame selection, syncing...

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, see not only do we use Flash 5 but we use the Flash 4 timeline keyframing style.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, we set it, there's that setting, you can set it to Flash 4...

'''LYNDA:''' Right...

'''MATT:''' ...for frame selection, and we still use that actually...

'''LYNDA:''' I'm kind of with you, I really preferred the way that it used to work, and I set mine back too.

'''MATT:''' Yeah... It's, uh, I dunno, there's just something streamlined, and it's the sort of thing where we... probably if we just worked it for two weeks and just forced ourselves to use Flash 8 we would be fine, but, uh, I don't know, it's one of those old habits die hard situations, I guess. There's definitely a couple of things with syncing up dialogue that seems like it's way easier and we haven't been able to duplicate a couple of the things we've tried, we go in and, cause we... the newer Flashes are pretty customizable, and we actually had our programmer guy, Jonathan, went in and tried to make all these weird, like, presets and keyboard shortcuts to try and mimic everything that we do in Flash 5 in 7 and even that was still, like, several... we'd have to do like several little keyboard shortcuts just to do something you can do with, you know, one click in Flash 5. We keep wanting someone to prove us wrong and give us a copy of, you know, a new Flash that works exactly the way we want it to, but nobody's been able to do it.

'''LYNDA:''' Hmm! Well, I bet that could be arranged. {''laughs''} I think you're going to be coming to the source by coming to Flashforward here.

===Audio===

'''LYNDA:''' So, you also use a lot of sound, and I'm curious, you know, what platform you guys use to author your materials, and what kinds of sound apps you use, and things like that.

'''MIKE:''' Weeeee... use, um, I guess, Adobe Audition now...

'''MATT:''' Used to be Cool Edit.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, Cool Edit Pro. Um, so we just use Mobile Pre-Amp, um, USB Pre-Amp, to, uh, plug the mikes in, and just, uh, record it all in Audition and clean it up in there.

'''MATT:''' We have a little sound room here at the office, it used to just be me sitting in front—We always had a decent microphone just cause, with, you know, from recording our own home music stuff, we had at least a decent microphone, and, like, a four-track and stuff, and so, but it was still just me sitting at the computer, and you could hear Mike doing the dishes in the background, and like, lots of room noise and stuff like that, but now... ''{Lynda laughs}'' ...little sound room looks fairly soundproof, or at least soundproof enough.

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah, I think the audio sounds great on your site.

'''MATT:''' Thanks. You should go watch some of the early emails and you'll really appreciate it, yeah, especially with headphones you'll really appreciate how, how much...

'''MIKE:''' You can hear trucks going by...

'''LYNDA:''' Right...

'''MIKE:''' Dogs barking and stuff...

'''LYNDA:''' But, you know, I still maintain that adds to the charm here. I mean, I really think that part of what is the appeal is that, you know, people can relate to this sort of crudely-drawn stuff, and I love how you intermix, you know, sort of, a lot of just visual metaphors of like old, you know, black and white footage, and funny videogames, and it's such a, you know, collage of different files and influences, it's really neat.

'''MATT:''' Thanks. That's a, yeah, we always feel like it's fortunate we can always put whatever we want on the site, it's a nice sorta catchall in terms of any creative idea we can come up with, we can probably cram it into the Homestar Runner universe in some way, be it, you know, a hair metal band, or, like you're saying, an old crappy Atari game, or any of that stuff, just can somehow get in there, which is cool, as opposed to, you know, if we had set out to make it be just some sci-fi cartoon or something, where you're kind of pigeon-holed into a genre, so it's nice that way.

===Video===

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah, and I love the video stuff that you have on there too, with the sock puppets and, um... If you're not using more current version of Flash, how you're dealing with the video, I'm just curious.

'''MATT:''' We do all the, uh, all that from that's what, uh, we use, we're still, like Mike said, we're still using MX '04 Professional for the video stuff, we haven't gotten 8 yet, so we do all that, and we've got the Sorenson Squeeze, a little app that compresses the video even better, so we shoot the stuff and usually just export it out of Final Cut as an uncompressed AVI, we found we get the best results when it... what you put into Sorenson is completely uncompressed, and so it ends up looking better. Obviously we're still making... we try and keep them around a meg, so these minute-long or 2 minute-long things around a meg, meg and a half and they're just tiny and still fairly crappy-looking video, unfortunately, but we just don't want to mess with bandwidth just 'cause every... all the other content on our site is so much smaller than that, for the most part.

'''LYNDA:''' Well, it's really appreciated.

===Advertising===

'''LYNDA:''' I also think it's really neat that you don't have any advertising, I'm sure your site is popular enough to where you could make a lot of money with advertising, what has prompted–

'''MATT:''' People tell us that all the time.

'''LYNDA:''' Oh, I'm certain of it.

'''MATT:''' I still don't know... I still don't believe that banner ads can work.

'''LYNDA:''' Oh. Well, I don't have them on our sites either.

'''MIKE:''' That's not why we don't do it. We made that decision very early on, it's just... to not be interrupted, and to be... without links and other things bothering you when you're at Homestar Runner. We want your full attention, and I think people appreciate not... Even though I think, for the most part, people can block out banner ads, I mean everyone sees ''{?}'' going to sites with a million pop-up ads and banner ads and stuff and it's... you can get past it pretty easily but people definitely appreciate them not being there.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, we still hear that, which is good, it was nice that people recognize that pretty quickly, and...

'''MIKE:''' Also aesthetically, it's something that... it was a decision to just have this clean... we've got the large black border and we put everything in this little window, and I think it's just more aesthetically pleasing.

'''LYNDA:''' I totally agree with you. I think it's a luxury that, from what I've read about you, you're supporting yourselves through selling merchandise. Is that correct?

'''MIKE:''' Yeah. Again, we're lucky to be able to make the decisions based on that, we don't need whatever revenue banner ads would bring in.

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah. I kind of have the same philosophy in my site... we have our ways of making money, Flashforward sells tickets and that's how we survive, and lynda.com has its own way. I suppose we could all be extra greedy and get the ad money too, but if it's already working, and it's a really nice experience for your end-user, to me it's well worth it to keep them off.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, advertising is a necessary evil, and if it's not necessary, then it's just evil.

'''LYNDA:''' Then it's too evil, definitely.

===Projects===

'''LYNDA:''' So have you been offered any other kinds of projects? I'm sure your site has caught the attention of some network execs now and again, has anything tempted you to get outside the web space?

'''MATT:''' Nothing... I mean, we would have done, probably, by now, I mean we've definitely opened... left as many of those doors open as possible, when we hear from people at networks and studios and stuff, but so far there's nothing, like I said we're still having so much fun, and it's fulfilling us creatively at this point, we haven't gone off and done other things. Though, we have... we've gotten to do couple of music videos for bands that we like, which is cool...

'''LYNDA:''' I know, I saw the [[Experimental Film|They Might Be Giants]] one.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, we got to do that, and we got to do a video for a band called "[[Wikipedia:Folk Implosion|Folk Implosion]]" that we're big fans of, and so that's been really cool, and we have lots of friends in bands and so we've messed around with doing videos for them, or wanting to do that same sort of thing, and that's fun, that seems like something we can do and it's not as time-consuming as...

'''MIKE:''' Just little small projects that you can do for a month and then...

'''MATT:''' Yeah, as opposed to writing a feature or starting some other cartoon on a network or something like that. At this point I dunno, it's just a hard sell for those people, because it's my brother and I screwing around in our crappy little office by the bowling alley, doing whatever we want on whatever time schedule we want, or...

'''MIKE:''' We were watching Wrestlemania 3 this morning.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, Mike brought in Wrestlemania 3, an old tape from 1985 that we found at our parents' house. So that's what we were doing today, as opposed to "we need 22 episodes of the Strong Bad cartoon by such-and-such a date, and this producer's gonna give you notes, and make sure to plug this advertisement, and..." it just seems like there's no contest.

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah, I can see the trade-off there.

'''MATT:''' At the same time, though, there could be a point where we're ready to do something like that, and if you approach it from that aspect then it's fine, it's just as opposed to doing... Knowing that you're getting into that, I think we would be okay, but at this point, changing Homestar Runner to be something like that would definitely suck.

'''LYNDA:''' And I think a really strong dimension of Homestar Runner is the interactivity that we haven't talked about too much, but you do have a lot of Easter eggs, and ways that your audience interact with your work, so how important is that to what you're building here?

'''MATT:''' That's always been a huge part, I mean it was definitely something from the beginning that we wanted to reward the repeat viewer and the curious viewer with these little secrets and stuff, and it was really cool to hear after the site had been up for several years, and we met some people that were fans of the site, and they had no idea that there were these Easter eggs, and so we were already on to Strong Bad Email number 70 or something, and they're like "Are you telling me all 70 of those Strong Bad Emails had hidden stuff that I've never seen?" and we're like "Oh, not all of them, but most of them." That was really cool, to see that there are people that like it 'cause it's funny, 'cause there's definitely people that that's the biggest part of the draw for them is that they like this hidden stuff, so it's funny, when... if we don't do as many Easter eggs in a cartoon we'll...

'''MIKE:''' Barely hidden anymore. We need to start hiding them more, it's so effective that... ''{mocking voice}'' "Oh, there's only one Easter egg this time..."

'''MATT:''' That, and plus the fact that Strong Bad Emails are from real fans, so there is that direct connection with... Strong Bad picks an email and it's some kid's email, and he puts it on the site, I think that's pretty cool too.

===Inspiration===
'''LYNDA:''' I totally agree, and it seems like that was... maybe, I could be wrong, but was that more the genesis for a lot of the early cartoons, and is it still? Where do you find your inspiration, besides the emails? The emails are great fodder, and you've done a wonderful job with them, but I'm curious if your creative process has changed at all, if you find influence from places that you never thought you would and things like that.

'''MIKE:''' I just get inspiration from whatever crappy TV reruns we were watching, or bad Nintendo game, or some thing that some kid in third grade said 20 years ago that we still repeat over and over again...

'''MATT:''' Or the guy at the diner that's now demolished that had half a mustache...

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, we use that... we went to this really depressing lunch, this diner was terrible, but our waiter had half a mustache, and it was such a bad lunch that I was determined to get something out of the lunch, so we wrote this person with half a mustache into one cartoon. That's where our inspiration comes from, people with weird facial hair.

'''LYNDA:''' Well I think a lot of people do struggle with "How do we get ideas?", so it's really great to hear that you just look everywhere...

'''MATT:''' They're all around you.

'''MIKE:''' There's definitely times when we're struggling for an idea, and it's hard to force it sometimes, sometimes when you force it it works... by doing the Strong Bad Emails every week we sort of gave ourselves this deadline, and there were lots of times where that affects the writing process, the fact that we've got to get this up in six more hours, whereas if we were just doing it leisurely I think the product would have been different. I think sometimes that works for you and sometimes that can work against you, obviously.

'''LYNDA:''' Absolutely. Well, one of the things we like to do at Flashforward is inspire everybody, and part of... probably the most inspirational thing of all is the film festival – I've had many people tell me after being at the film festival that they left the conference and created something that they didn't think they would have created had they not seen it. So I'm looking forward to your session inspiring a lot of people. I realise that you're not gonna teach anybody how to do animation, or ActionScript, but I don't really think that's the role of having people like yourselves... what you're doing is so successful and effective and compelling and... you have so many fans, I live in a town of 8,000 people, and I see people walking around with your tshirts on, which to me is a sign of something and... obviously you could never have expected to have done this, since the Internet was so new in 2000, and not very many people have achieved what you guys have achieved.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, it was pretty cool to see... I mean, not in a negative way, but... that we'd outlasted some of the other sites. There's usually... a lot of them are still up, flash cartoon sites that were popular back when we first started... they're still up, but they're not putting up new... they haven't been putting up new content forever, or they went to subscription service and things like that. The fact that it's 6 years later, and we're still just doing the same thing, just giving it to people for free if they want to see it, maybe they'll buy a shirt, maybe they won't. It's a source of pride, for me, anyway.

'''LYNDA:''' As it should be.

'''MATT:''' You go back to [http://icebox.com/ icebox.com] and... what are some of the other ones? I forget, there's some old ones that were the big heavy-hitters back in the day that we'll go back sometimes to look at and just be like "Wow, remember that?" We're older than them now, that's pretty cool.

===Goodbyes===
'''LYNDA:''' Well, you should be proud, and we're actually also really proud that you're coming to Flashforward and I know lots and lots of people are excited to see you, so in advance I want to thank you for agreeing to come, and...

'''MIKE:''' Do you look like the lynda.com logo?

'''LYNDA:''' Um, well, my husband gets upset with me, he drew it when... because occasionally I'll change glasses or cut my hair... the logo's 10 years old... I remember the first time I changed my hairdo, he was like ''{indignant}'' "Well, you don't like your logo any more." But I actually do probably look like my logo, I mean I wear glasses, and... yeah, I have the glasses part. My hair is probably a little shorter than that logo right now. And I've aged 10 years.

'''MATT:''' Thanks so much for inviting us, we're very excited.

'''LYNDA:''' The feeling is mutual.

'''MIKE:''' Been to Seattle before?

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah, Seattle's a great city, a lot of people haven't been there before, and it's one of the reasons why I wanted to have it in Seattle, I'm just of the belief that the whole conference experience should be stimulating, and we've had a history of going back and forth from the same two locations for a long time, so I'm hoping that getting people out to a new city is gonna add to the inspiration and stimulation of... learning new things and doing something new, so we cannot wait to have you. Thank you for being part of the podcast, and we'll see you in Seattle.

'''MATT:''' Fantastic.

'''MIKE:''' Yep, great.

'''LYNDA:''' Thanks.

'''MIKE:''' Thanks, Lynda.

===Closing Comments===
'''LYNDA:''' ''{back in a studio}'' The Flashforward conference and film festival brings together the best minds in the Flash design and development community, in a four-day conference and international film festival. With the release of Flash 8 and the new focus on Flash as a platform, Flashforward offers knowledge and inspiration for everyone in the Flash community, whatever role Flash plays in your life and work. Join us and over 1000 Flash designers and developers in Seattle this February. If you'd like a discount to the conference, please enter the code <code>PODSEA3</code> when you register. We hope to see you in Seattle, it's going to be an outstanding show. For more information, visit [http://www.flashforwardconference.com/ www.flashforwardconference.com]. Flashforward is produced by [http://lynda.com/ lynda.com], home of the online training library, an online training resource that has hundreds of hours of Flash training and other training in the digital arts. Thanks for listening to the podcast, and we hope to see you in Seattle.

==Fun Facts==
*[[Wikipedia:FutureSplash|FutureSplash]] was a freeware animation program (made by FutureWave, a company that also made "SmartSketch", a vector-drawing program) that was eventually bought out by [[Wikipedia:Macromedia|Macromedia]] and renamed [[Wikipedia:Macromedia Flash|Flash]].
*[[Wikipedia:Sorenson Squeeze|Sorenson Squeeze]] is a program that creates [[Wikipedia:FLV|Flash Video]] files.
*When Mike is speaks about a cartoon that uses a character with half a mustache, he is referring to the [[Old-Timey Strong Bad]] Easter egg in [[flashback]].

==See Also==

*[[Flashforward 2006 Seattle - 28 Feb 2006]]

==External Links==
*[http://blog.flashforwardconference.com/2006/02/10/podcast-chapman-brothers-interview/ Download the interview from Flashforward]
[[Category:Interviews and Public Appearances]]

Flashforward Interview - 10 Feb 2006

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[[Image:Flashforward 2006 Seattle logo.PNG|thumb|400px|The logo of Flashforward 2006.]]
[[Matt Chapman|Matt]] and [[Mike Chapman]], creators of [[HomestarRunner.com]], will be presenting "[[Flashforward 2006 Seattle - 28 Feb 2006|How and Why Homestar Runner Cartoons Get Made]]" at '''Flashforward2006 Seattle'''. Learn more in this audio interview with Lynda Weinman: what it's like working together every day, why they still proudly use Flash 5, how they incorporate audio and video, how they are able to offer free content with no ads, the importance of interactivity, and what other projects they've worked on.

Twenty-two minutes and forty-eight seconds of pure Friday fun!

==Transcript==
===Introduction===
'''LYNDA WEINMAN:''' Hi, you're listening to the Flashforward Conference and Film Festival Podcast. The largest Flash user conference in the world, sponsored by Adobe Systems and produced by [http://www.lynda.com/ lynda.com]. I'm Lynda Weinman, founder of the conference. If you'd like to learn more about Flashforward, please visit [http://www.flashforwardconference.com/ flashforwardconference.com]. Listen to the end of the podcast for information on our upcoming conference in Seattle, on February 27th through March 2nd, 2006. In each podcast episode, I will be conducting a phone interview with one of our speakers, sponsors, or film festival finalists. In today's Flashforward podcast, I interview Matt and Mike Chapman, [[The Brothers Chaps]], who are the creators of the homestarrunner.com website. They will be speaking for the first time at the Flashforward Conference and Film Festival on Tuesday, February 28th, from 3:45 to 5:00pm in Room 6B. This is their session description: ''"How and Why Homestar Runner Cartoons get Made: Take a step back in time as Mike and Matt Chapman show how they still use Flash® 5 to make the weekly cartoons featured on HomestarRunner.com. Learn the secrets and not-so-secrets of making a 3-5 minute cartoon every week. Hear about their six years on the web, watch some of their stuff, and learn how they've managed to make a living doing something they like."''
===Welcome!===
'''LYNDA:''' ''{now over telephone}'' Well, it's really great to connect with you both over the telephone, I have Mike and, uh, Matt Chapman over the phone with me. Welcome!

'''MIKE:''' Hi, thank you.

'''LYNDA:''' Hey, we're really excited to have you at Flashforward, is this your first speaking gig at a technology conference?

'''MIKE:''' Absolutely.

'''MATT:''' We're very thrilled to be part of it and we're kind of... we still think it's sort of an accident, probably.

'''LYNDA:''' ''{laughs}''

'''MIKE:''' Flashforward, since I think I maybe heard of it in 2000? Pretty much right when we started using Flash.

'''LYNDA:''' I know, I was, you know, looking at your bio and seeing that you started in 2000 and that's when the conference started as well, so we share the same birthdate.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah.

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah.

===Flash discussion===

'''MATT:''' Flashforward was really, I think that's what exploded ''{?}'' in terms of–

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, we got Flash 4 in, I guess, 1999, late 1999.

'''LYNDA:''' So had you ever done animation before you got Flash 4?

'''MATT:''' Yeah, we'd done it in lots of other forms, we'd done stop-motion stuff, we'd messed, you know, with just cel... very crude hand-drawn cel animation. Growing up we did a lot of that stuff. All very crude and not very advanced.

'''MIKE:''' We'd do stop-motion with a video camera where the smallest chunks of time you could give would be about two or three seconds.

'''MATT:''' ''{laughing}'' Yeah, you couldn't come anywhere close to frame-by-frame animation.

'''LYNDA:''' Well, I mean, those roots really show in your work, even though, even though a lot of people would look at it and say it's crude, I think people who are trained in animation recognize that there is artistry to what you're doing, absolutely.

'''MIKE:''' Well, thank you.

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah.

'''MIKE:''' So when we got Flash 4 we were pretty thrilled with how easy it was to, you know, to manipulate things and to sort of have this library you could pull from instead of having to redraw every time, so that was very nice, we were pretty- pretty psyched.

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah I think Flash started its life as a different product and it- it didn't have any interactivity at all, it only had animation and drawing tools, so it- it had- it had- it was the first program I ever saw that had onion skinning, it was called SmartSketch. ''{pause}'' And-

'''MATT:''' Onion skinning comes in very handy.

'''MIKE:''' Was that FutureSplash?

'''LYNDA:''' FutureSplash, there you go. That's what it was called, oops. ''{laughs}''

'''MIKE:''' I did my homework.

'''LYNDA:''' You did what?

'''MIKE:''' I did my homework.

'''LYNDA:''' Yes you did. Um, and your- your memory is better than mine.

===Family Affair===

'''LYNDA:''' So, where are you guys based?

'''MIKE:''' We're based in Decatur, Georgia, which is just east of Atlanta.

'''LYNDA:''' And, um, this is a family affair even that extends beyond you two brothers, correct?

'''MIKE:''' Yes, pretty much everyone; our sister, dad and mom, and uh, inlaws, everybody helps out whenever they get a chance. Us two and our sister are full time employees. And everyone else pitches in when something needs to be done.

'''LYNDA:''' I'm sure you're all quite amazed by the success of this, do you want to talk a little about that? I mean were your parents always supportive of this sort... of your drawing and animation experiments and things like that?

'''MATT:''' Yeah, Mike and I, we, we always say that we had the sort of curse of having the parents that were too interested and too supportive of everything you were doing, and our dad and mom would drive four hours to see my crappy band play in college in a smokey bar ''{Lynda laughs at this}'', stuff like that, and it was sort of like "I kind of don't want you guys to be here at a crappy club, I can't swear on stage then."

'''MIKE:''' "I won't be able to drink beers then."

'''MATT:''' Yeah. But, I mean obviously it was wonderful, and it was very cool our dad's a retired accountant, so Mike and I started tinkering around with Flash and when we got the website up it had a lot of stuff going, he kind of encouraged us to try and sell some t-shirts or whatever, he's definitely our biggest fan, and he's always supported us in all our creative endeavors. I think that's part of his thing, he definitely always wanted to be a writer and ended up being an accountant, so I think sort of through, you know, he was getting his creative jones through his sons, which we're totally cool with, so....

'''LYNDA:''' That's really neat. So you have a musical background as well as writing and drawing.

'''MATT:''' Yeah...

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, our musical background is just as mediocre as all of our other backgrounds... College rock band... "Technically..." What did you call it?

'''MATT:''' Trained? Technically trained?

'''LYNDA:''' Well, I think in some ways the mediocrity is the charm, because it makes it sort of... people can identify with the pure creative spirit that's coming out of Homestar Runner. You know, the stories and the characters and the humor I think are really approachable to most people.

'''MATT:''' We hope so.

'''MIKE:''' "Technically Proficient", that's what I was trying to think of.

'''MATT:''' "Technically Proficient"?

'''MIKE:''' Proficient, yeah, that's a hard word for me to come up with.

===Why not upgrade?===

'''LYNDA:''' So, speaking of Technically Proficient, what version of Flash are you guys using right now?

'''MIKE:''' Proudly using Flash 5.

'''MATT:''' Yeah. And have been since, since 2001 or whenever it came out.

'''LYNDA:''' Wow. Is there a reason why you have not upgraded?

'''MIKE:''' There's several reasons, and we'll let everyone know at the Flashforward conference what they are.

'''LYNDA:''' OK.

'''MIKE:''' Lots of little small things. We actually publish everything in Flash 7 still, and we'll get Flash 8 just because the compression is so much better, the filesize is generally about 30% smaller...

'''LYNDA''' Mmm-hmm...

'''MIKE:''' ...so that's always good. But there's lots of little minor things, like the color selection, and...

'''MATT:''' Frame selection, syncing...

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, see not only do we use Flash 5 but we use the Flash 4 timeline keyframing style.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, we set it, there's that setting, you can set it to Flash 4...

'''LYNDA:''' Right...

'''MATT:''' ...for frame selection, and we still use that actually...

'''LYNDA:''' I'm kind of with you, I really preferred the way that it used to work, and I set mine back too.

'''MATT:''' Yeah... It's, uh, I dunno, there's just something streamlined, and it's the sort of thing where we... probably if we just worked it for two weeks and just forced ourselves to use Flash 8 we would be fine, but, uh, I don't know, it's one of those old habits die hard situations, I guess. There's definitely a couple of things with syncing up dialogue that seems like it's way easier and we haven't been able to duplicate a couple of the things we've tried, we go in and, cause we... the newer Flashes are pretty customizable, and we actually had our programmer guy, Jonathan, went in and tried to make all these weird, like, presets and keyboard shortcuts to try and mimic everything that we do in Flash 5 in 7 and even that was still, like, several... we'd have to do like several little keyboard shortcuts just to do something you can do with, you know, one click in Flash 5. We keep wanting someone to prove us wrong and give us a copy of, you know, a new Flash that works exactly the way we want it to, but nobody's been able to do it.

'''LYNDA:''' Hmm! Well, I bet that could be arranged. {''laughs''} I think you're going to be coming to the source by coming to Flashforward here.

===Audio===

'''LYNDA:''' So, you also use a lot of sound, and I'm curious, you know, what platform you guys use to author your materials, and what kinds of sound apps you use, and things like that.

'''MIKE:''' Weeeee... use, um, I guess, Adobe Audition now...

'''MATT:''' Used to be Cool Edit.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, Cool Edit Pro. Um, so we just use Mobile Pre-Amp, um, USB Pre-Amp, to, uh, plug the mikes in, and just, uh, record it all in Audition and clean it up in there.

'''MATT:''' We have a little sound room here at the office, it used to just be me sitting in front—We always had a decent microphone just cause, with, you know, from recording our own home music stuff, we had at least a decent microphone, and, like, a four-track and stuff, and so, but it was still just me sitting at the computer, and you could hear Mike doing the dishes in the background, and like, lots of room noise and stuff like that, but now... ''{Lynda laughs}'' ...little sound room looks fairly soundproof, or at least soundproof enough.

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah, I think the audio sounds great on your site.

'''MATT:''' Thanks. You should go watch some of the early emails and you'll really appreciate it, yeah, especially with headphones you'll really appreciate how, how much...

'''MIKE:''' You can hear trucks going by...

'''LYNDA:''' Right...

'''MIKE:''' Dogs barking and stuff...

'''LYNDA:''' But, you know, I still maintain that adds to the charm here. I mean, I really think that part of what is the appeal is that, you know, people can relate to this sort of crudely-drawn stuff, and I love how you intermix, you know, sort of, a lot of just visual metaphors of like old, you know, black and white footage, and funny videogames, and it's such a, you know, collage of different files and influences, it's really neat.

'''MATT:''' Thanks. That's a, yeah, we always feel like it's fortunate we can always put whatever we want on the site, it's a nice sorta catchall in terms of any creative idea we can come up with, we can probably cram it into the Homestar Runner universe in some way, be it, you know, a hair metal band, or, like you're saying, an old crappy Atari game, or any of that stuff, just can somehow get in there, which is cool, as opposed to, you know, if we had set out to make it be just some sci-fi cartoon or something, where you're kind of pigeon-holed into a genre, so it's nice that way.

===Video===

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah, and I love the video stuff that you have on there too, with the sock puppets and, um... If you're not using more current version of Flash, how you're dealing with the video, I'm just curious.

'''MATT:''' We do all the, uh, all that from that's what, uh, we use, we're still, like Mike said, we're still using MX '04 Professional for the video stuff, we haven't gotten 8 yet, so we do all that, and we've got the Sorenson Squeeze, a little app that compresses the video even better, so we shoot the stuff and usually just export it out of Final Cut as an uncompressed AVI, we found we get the best results when it... what you put into Sorenson is completely uncompressed, and so it ends up looking better. Obviously we're still making... we try and keep them around a meg, so these minute-long or 2 minute-long things around a meg, meg and a half and they're just tiny and still fairly crappy-looking video, unfortunately, but we just don't want to mess with bandwidth just 'cause every... all the other content on our site is so much smaller than that, for the most part.

'''LYNDA:''' Well, it's really appreciated.

===Advertising===

'''LYNDA:''' I also think it's really neat that you don't have any advertising, I'm sure your site is popular enough to where you could make a lot of money with advertising, what has prompted–

'''MATT:''' People tell us that all the time.

'''LYNDA:''' Oh, I'm certain of it.

'''MATT:''' I'm still don't know... I still don't believe that banner ads can work.

'''LYNDA:''' Oh. Well, I don't have them on our sites either.

'''MIKE:''' That's not why we don't do it. We made that decision very early on, it's just... to not be interrupted, and to be... without links and other things bothering you when you're at Homestar Runner. We want your full attention, and I think people appreciate not... Even though I think, for the most part, people can block out banner ads, I mean everyone sees ''{?}'' going to sites with a million pop-up ads and banner ads and stuff and it's... you can get past it pretty easily but people definitely appreciate them not being there.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, we still hear that, which is good, it was nice that people recognize that pretty quickly, and...

'''MIKE:''' Also aesthetically, it's something that... it was a decision to just have this clean... we've got the large black border and we put everything in this little window, and I think it's just more aesthetically pleasing.

'''LYNDA:''' I totally agree with you. I think it's a luxury that, from what I've read about you, you're supporting yourselves through selling merchandise. Is that correct?

'''MIKE:''' Yeah. Again, we're lucky to be able to make the decisions based on that, we don't need whatever revenue banner ads would bring in.

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah. I kind of have the same philosophy in my site... we have our ways of making money, Flashforward sells tickets and that's how we survive, and lynda.com has its own way. I suppose we could all be extra greedy and get the ad money too, but if it's already working, and it's a really nice experience for your end-user, to me it's well worth it to keep them off.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, advertising is a necessary evil, and if it's not necessary, then it's just evil.

'''LYNDA:''' Then it's too evil, definitely.

===Projects===

'''LYNDA:''' So have you been offered any other kinds of projects? I'm sure your site has caught the attention of some network execs now and again, has anything tempted you to get outside the web space?

'''MATT:''' Nothing... I mean, we would have done, probably, by now, I mean we've definitely opened... left as many of those doors open as possible, when we hear from people at networks and studios and stuff, but so far there's nothing, like I said we're still having so much fun, and it's fulfilling us creatively at this point, we haven't gone off and done other things. Though, we have... we've gotten to do couple of music videos for bands that we like, which is cool...

'''LYNDA:''' I know, I saw the [[Experimental Film|They Might Be Giants]] one.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, we got to do that, and we got to do a video for a band called "[[Wikipedia:Folk Implosion|Folk Implosion]]" that we're big fans of, and so that's been really cool, and we have lots of friends in bands and so we've messed around with doing videos for them, or wanting to do that same sort of thing, and that's fun, that seems like something we can do and it's not as time-consuming as...

'''MIKE:''' Just little small projects that you can do for a month and then...

'''MATT:''' Yeah, as opposed to writing a feature or starting some other cartoon on a network or something like that. At this point I dunno, it's just a hard sell for those people, because it's my brother and I screwing around in our crappy little office by the bowling alley, doing whatever we want on whatever time schedule we want, or...

'''MIKE:''' We were watching Wrestlemania 3 this morning.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, Mike brought in Wrestlemania 3, an old tape from 1985 that we found at our parents' house. So that's what we were doing today, as opposed to "we need 22 episodes of the Strong Bad cartoon by such-and-such a date, and this producer's gonna give you notes, and make sure to plug this advertisement, and..." it just seems like there's no contest.

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah, I can see the trade-off there.

'''MATT:''' At the same time, though, there could be a point where we're ready to do something like that, and if you approach it from that aspect then it's fine, it's just as opposed to doing... Knowing that you're getting into that, I think we would be okay, but at this point, changing Homestar Runner to be something like that would definitely suck.

'''LYNDA:''' And I think a really strong dimension of Homestar Runner is the interactivity that we haven't talked about too much, but you do have a lot of Easter eggs, and ways that your audience interact with your work, so how important is that to what you're building here?

'''MATT:''' That's always been a huge part, I mean it was definitely something from the beginning that we wanted to reward the repeat viewer and the curious viewer with these little secrets and stuff, and it was really cool to hear after the site had been up for several years, and we met some people that were fans of the site, and they had no idea that there were these Easter eggs, and so we were already on to Strong Bad Email number 70 or something, and they're like "Are you telling me all 70 of those Strong Bad Emails had hidden stuff that I've never seen?" and we're like "Oh, not all of them, but most of them." That was really cool, to see that there are people that like it 'cause it's funny, 'cause there's definitely people that that's the biggest part of the draw for them is that they like this hidden stuff, so it's funny, when... if we don't do as many Easter eggs in a cartoon we'll...

'''MIKE:''' Barely hidden anymore. We need to start hiding them more, it's so effective that... ''{mocking voice}'' "Oh, there's only one Easter egg this time..."

'''MATT:''' That, and plus the fact that Strong Bad Emails are from real fans, so there is that direct connection with... Strong Bad picks an email and it's some kid's email, and he puts it on the site, I think that's pretty cool too.

===Inspiration===
'''LYNDA:''' I totally agree, and it seems like that was... maybe, I could be wrong, but was that more the genesis for a lot of the early cartoons, and is it still? Where do you find your inspiration, besides the emails? The emails are great fodder, and you've done a wonderful job with them, but I'm curious if your creative process has changed at all, if you find influence from places that you never thought you would and things like that.

'''MIKE:''' I just get inspiration from whatever crappy TV reruns we were watching, or bad Nintendo game, or some thing that some kid in third grade said 20 years ago that we still repeat over and over again...

'''MATT:''' Or the guy at the diner that's now demolished that had half a mustache...

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, we use that... we went to this really depressing lunch, this diner was terrible, but our waiter had half a mustache, and it was such a bad lunch that I was determined to get something out of the lunch, so we wrote this person with half a mustache into one cartoon. That's where our inspiration comes from, people with weird facial hair.

'''LYNDA:''' Well I think a lot of people do struggle with "How do we get ideas?", so it's really great to hear that you just look everywhere...

'''MATT:''' They're all around you.

'''MIKE:''' There's definitely times when we're struggling for an idea, and it's hard to force it sometimes, sometimes when you force it it works... by doing the Strong Bad Emails every week we sort of gave ourselves this deadline, and there were lots of times where that affects the writing process, the fact that we've got to get this up in six more hours, whereas if we were just doing it leisurely I think the product would have been different. I think sometimes that works for you and sometimes that can work against you, obviously.

'''LYNDA:''' Absolutely. Well, one of the things we like to do at Flashforward is inspire everybody, and part of... probably the most inspirational thing of all is the film festival – I've had many people tell me after being at the film festival that they left the conference and created something that they didn't think they would have created had they not seen it. So I'm looking forward to your session inspiring a lot of people. I realise that you're not gonna teach anybody how to do animation, or ActionScript, but I don't really think that's the role of having people like yourselves... what you're doing is so successful and effective and compelling and... you have so many fans, I live in a town of 8,000 people, and I see people walking around with your tshirts on, which to me is a sign of something and... obviously you could never have expected to have done this, since the Internet was so new in 2000, and not very many people have achieved what you guys have achieved.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, it was pretty cool to see... I mean, not in a negative way, but... that we'd outlasted some of the other sites. There's usually... a lot of them are still up, flash cartoon sites that were popular back when we first started... they're still up, but they're not putting up new... they haven't been putting up new content forever, or they went to subscription service and things like that. The fact that it's 6 years later, and we're still just doing the same thing, just giving it to people for free if they want to see it, maybe they'll buy a shirt, maybe they won't. It's a source of pride, for me, anyway.

'''LYNDA:''' As it should be.

'''MATT:''' You go back to [http://icebox.com/ icebox.com] and... what are some of the other ones? I forget, there's some old ones that were the big heavy-hitters back in the day that we'll go back sometimes to look at and just be like "Wow, remember that?" We're older than them now, that's pretty cool.

===Goodbyes===
'''LYNDA:''' Well, you should be proud, and we're actually also really proud that you're coming to Flashforward and I know lots and lots of people are excited to see you, so in advance I want to thank you for agreeing to come, and...

'''MIKE:''' Do you look like the lynda.com logo?

'''LYNDA:''' Um, well, my husband gets upset with me, he drew it when... because occasionally I'll change glasses or cut my hair... the logo's 10 years old... I remember the first time I changed my hairdo, he was like ''{indignant}'' "Well, you don't like your logo any more." But I actually do probably look like my logo, I mean I wear glasses, and... yeah, I have the glasses part. My hair is probably a little shorter than that logo right now. And I've aged 10 years.

'''MATT:''' Thanks so much for inviting us, we're very excited.

'''LYNDA:''' The feeling is mutual.

'''MIKE:''' Been to Seattle before?

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah, Seattle's a great city, a lot of people haven't been there before, and it's one of the reasons why I wanted to have it in Seattle, I'm just of the belief that the whole conference experience should be stimulating, and we've had a history of going back and forth from the same two locations for a long time, so I'm hoping that getting people out to a new city is gonna add to the inspiration and stimulation of... learning new things and doing something new, so we cannot wait to have you. Thank you for being part of the podcast, and we'll see you in Seattle.

'''MATT:''' Fantastic.

'''MIKE:''' Yep, great.

'''LYNDA:''' Thanks.

'''MIKE:''' Thanks, Lynda.

===Closing Comments===
'''LYNDA:''' ''{back in a studio}'' The Flashforward conference and film festival brings together the best minds in the Flash design and development community, in a four-day conference and international film festival. With the release of Flash 8 and the new focus on Flash as a platform, Flashforward offers knowledge and inspiration for everyone in the Flash community, whatever role Flash plays in your life and work. Join us and over 1000 Flash designers and developers in Seattle this February. If you'd like a discount to the conference, please enter the code <code>PODSEA3</code> when you register. We hope to see you in Seattle, it's going to be an outstanding show. For more information, visit [http://www.flashforwardconference.com/ www.flashforwardconference.com]. Flashforward is produced by [http://lynda.com/ lynda.com], home of the online training library, an online training resource that has hundreds of hours of Flash training and other training in the digital arts. Thanks for listening to the podcast, and we hope to see you in Seattle.

==Fun Facts==
*[[Wikipedia:FutureSplash|FutureSplash]] was a freeware animation program (made by FutureWave, a company that also made "SmartSketch", a vector-drawing program) that was eventually bought out by [[Wikipedia:Macromedia|Macromedia]] and renamed [[Wikipedia:Macromedia Flash|Flash]].
*[[Wikipedia:Sorenson Squeeze|Sorenson Squeeze]] is a program that creates [[Wikipedia:FLV|Flash Video]] files.
*When Mike is speaks about a cartoon that uses a character with half a mustache, he is referring to the [[Old-Timey Strong Bad]] Easter egg in [[flashback]].

==See Also==

*[[Flashforward 2006 Seattle - 28 Feb 2006]]

==External Links==
*[http://blog.flashforwardconference.com/2006/02/10/podcast-chapman-brothers-interview/ Download the interview from Flashforward]
[[Category:Interviews and Public Appearances]]

Flashforward Interview - 10 Feb 2006

Timmodonuts — Mon, 01 Feb 2021 16:59:46 GMT

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[[Image:Flashforward 2006 Seattle logo.PNG|thumb|400px|The logo of Flashforward 2006.]]
[[Matt Chapman|Matt]] and [[Mike Chapman]], creators of [[HomestarRunner.com]], will be presenting "[[Flashforward 2006 Seattle - 28 Feb 2006|How and Why Homestar Runner Cartoons Get Made]]" at '''Flashforward2006 Seattle'''. Learn more in this audio interview with Lynda Weinman: what it's like working together every day, why they still proudly use Flash 5, how they incorporate audio and video, how they are able to offer free content with no ads, the importance of interactivity, and what other projects they've worked on.

Twenty-two minutes and forty-eight seconds of pure Friday fun!

==Transcript==
===Introduction===
'''LYNDA WEINMAN:''' Hi, you're listening to the Flashforward Conference and Film Festival Podcast. The largest Flash user conference in the world, sponsored by Adobe Systems and produced by [http://www.lynda.com/ lynda.com]. I'm Lynda Weinman, founder of the conference. If you'd like to learn more about Flashforward, please visit [http://www.flashforwardconference.com/ flashforwardconference.com]. Listen to the end of the podcast for information on our upcoming conference in Seattle, on February 27th through March 2nd, 2006. In each podcast episode, I will be conducting a phone interview with one of our speakers, sponsors, or film festival finalists. In today's Flashforward podcast, I interview Matt and Mike Chapman, [[The Brothers Chaps]], who are the creators of the homestarrunner.com website. They will be speaking for the first time at the Flashforward Conference and Film Festival on Tuesday, February 28th, from 3:45 to 5:00pm in Room 6B. This is their session description: ''"How and Why Homestar Runner Cartoons get Made: Take a step back in time as Mike and Matt Chapman show how they still use Flash® 5 to make the weekly cartoons featured on HomestarRunner.com. Learn the secrets and not-so-secrets of making a 3-5 minute cartoon every week. Hear about their six years on the web, watch some of their stuff, and learn how they've managed to make a living doing something they like."''
===Welcome!===
'''LYNDA:''' ''{now over telephone}'' Well, it's really great to connect with you both over the telephone, I have Mike and, uh, Matt Chapman over the phone with me. Welcome!

'''MIKE:''' Hi, thank you.

'''LYNDA:''' Hey, we're really excited to have you at Flashforward, is this your first speaking gig at a technology conference?

'''MIKE:''' Absolutely.

'''MATT:''' We're very thrilled to be part of it and we're kind of... we still think it's sort of an accident, probably.

'''LYNDA:''' ''{laughs}''

'''MIKE:''' Flashforward, since I think I maybe heard of it in 2000? Pretty much right when we started using Flash.

'''LYNDA:''' I know, I was, you know, looking at your bio and seeing that you started in 2000 and that's when the conference started as well, so we share the same birthdate.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah.

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah.

===Flash discussion===

'''MATT:''' Flashforward was really, I think that's what exploded ''{?}'' in terms of–

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, we got Flash 4 in, I guess, 1999, late 1999.

'''LYNDA:''' So had you ever done animation before you got Flash 4?

'''MATT:''' Yeah, we'd done it in lots of other forms, we'd done stop-motion stuff, we'd messed, you know, with just cel... very crude hand-drawn cel animation. Growing up we did a lot of that stuff. All very crude and not very advanced.

'''MIKE:''' We'd do stop-motion with a video camera where the smallest chunks of time you could give would be about two or three seconds.

'''MATT:''' ''{laughing}'' Yeah, you couldn't come anywhere close to frame-by-frame animation.

'''LYNDA:''' Well, I mean, those roots really show in your work, even though, even though a lot of people would look at it and say it's crude, I think people who are trained in animation recognize that there is artistry to what you're doing, absolutely.

'''MIKE:''' Well, thank you.

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah.

'''MIKE:''' So when we got Flash 4 we were pretty thrilled with how easy it was to, you know, to manipulate things and to sort of have this library you could pull from instead of having to redraw every time, so that was very nice, we were pretty- pretty psyched.

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah I think Flash started its life as a different product and it- it didn't have any interactivity at all, it only had animation and drawing tools, so it- it had- it had- it was the first program I ever saw that had onion skinning, it was called SmartSketch. ''{pause}'' And-

'''MATT:''' Onion skinning comes in very handy.

'''MIKE:''' Was that FutureSplash?

'''LYNDA:''' FutureSplash, there you go. That's what it was called, oops. ''{laughs}''

'''MIKE:''' I did my homework.

'''LYNDA:''' You did what?

'''MIKE:''' I did my homework.

'''LYNDA:''' Yes you did. Um, and your- your memory is better than mine.

===Family Affair===

'''LYNDA:''' So, where are you guys based?

'''MIKE:''' We're based in Decatur, Georgia, which is just east of Atlanta.

'''LYNDA:''' And, um, this is a family affair even that extends beyond you two brothers, correct?

'''MIKE:''' Yes, pretty much everyone; our sister, dad and mom, and uh, inlaws, everybody helps out whenever they get a chance. Us two and our sister are full time employees. And everyone else pitches in when something needs to be done.

'''LYNDA:''' I'm sure you're all quite amazed by the success of this, do you want to talk a little about that? I mean were your parents always supportive of this sort... of your drawing and animation experiments and things like that?

'''MATT:''' Yeah, Mike and I, we, we always say that we had the sort of curse of having the parents that were too interested and too supportive of everything you were doing, and our dad and mom would drive four hours to see my crappy band play in college in a smokey bar ''{Lynda laughs at this}'', stuff like that, and it was sort of like "I kind of don't want you guys to be here at a crappy club, I can't swear on stage then."

'''MIKE:''' "I won't be able to drink beers then."

'''MATT:''' Yeah. But, I mean obviously it was wonderful, and it was very cool our dad's a retired accountant, so Mike and I started tinkering around with Flash and when we got the website up it had a lot of stuff going, he kind of encouraged us to try and sell some t-shirts or whatever, he's definitely our biggest fan, and he's always supported us in all our creative endeavors. I think that's part of his thing, he definitely always wanted to be a writer and ended up being an accountant, so I think sort of through, you know, he was getting his creative jones through his sons, which we're totally cool with, so....

'''LYNDA:''' That's really neat. So you have a musical background as well as writing and drawing.

'''MATT:''' Yeah...

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, our musical background is just as mediocre as all of our other backgrounds... College rock band... "Technically..." What did you call it?

'''MATT:''' Trained? Technically trained?

'''LYNDA:''' Well, I think in some ways the mediocrity is the charm, because it makes it sort of... people can identify with the pure creative spirit that's coming out of Homestar Runner. You know, the stories and the characters and the humor I think are really approachable to most people.

'''MATT:''' We hope so.

'''MIKE:''' "Technically Proficient", that's what I was trying to think of.

'''MATT:''' "Technically Proficient"?

'''MIKE:''' Proficient, yeah, that's a hard word for me to come up with.

===Why not upgrade?===

'''LYNDA:''' So, speaking of Technically Proficient, what version of Flash are you guys using right now?

'''MIKE:''' Proudly using Flash 5.

'''MATT:''' Yeah. And have been since, since 2001 or whenever it came out.

'''LYNDA:''' Wow. Is there a reason why you have not upgraded?

'''MIKE:''' There's several reasons, and we'll let everyone know at the Flashforward conference what they are.

'''LYNDA:''' OK.

'''MIKE:''' Lots of little small things. We actually publish everything in Flash 7 still, and we'll get Flash 8 just because the compression is so much better, the filesize is generally about 30% smaller...

'''LYNDA''' Mmm-hmm...

'''MIKE:''' ...so that's always good. But there's lots of little minor things, like the color selection, and...

'''MATT:''' Frame selection, syncing...

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, see not only do we use Flash 5 but we use the Flash 4 timeline keyframing style.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, we set it, there's that setting, you can set it to Flash 4...

'''LYNDA:''' Right...

'''MATT:''' ...for frame selection, and we still use that actually...

'''LYNDA:''' I'm kind of with you, I really preferred the way that it used to work, and I set mine back too.

'''MATT:''' Yeah... It's, uh, I dunno, there's just something streamlined, and it's the sort of thing where we... probably if we just worked it for two weeks and just forced ourselves to use Flash 8 we would be fine, but, uh, I don't know, it's one of those old habits die hard situations, I guess. There's definitely a couple of things with syncing up dialogue that seems like it's way easier and we haven't been able to duplicate a couple of the things we've tried, we go in and, cause we... the newer Flashes are pretty customizable, and we actually had our programmer guy, Jonathan, went in and tried to make all these weird, like, presets and keyboard shortcuts to try and mimic everything that we do in Flash 5 in 7 and even that was still, like, several... we'd have to do like several little keyboard shortcuts just to do something you can do with, you know, one click in Flash 5. We keep wanting someone to prove us wrong and give us a copy of, you know, a new Flash that works exactly the way we want it to, but nobody's been able to do it.

'''LYNDA:''' Hmm! Well, I bet that could be arranged. {''laughs''} I think you're going to be coming to the source by coming to Flashforward here.

===Audio===

'''LYNDA:''' So, you also use a lot of sound, and I'm curious, you know, what platform you guys use to author your materials, and what kinds of sound apps you use, and things like that.

'''MIKE:''' Weeeee... use, um, I guess, Adobe Audition now...

'''MATT:''' Used to be Cool Edit.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, Cool Edit Pro. Um, so we just use Mobile Pre-Amp, um, USB Pre-Amp, to, uh, plug the mikes in, and just, uh, record it all in Audition and clean it up in there.

'''MATT:''' We have a little sound room here at the office, it used to just be me sitting in front—We always had a decent microphone just cause, with, you know, from recording our own home music stuff, we had at least a decent microphone, and, like, a four-track and stuff, and so, but it was still just me sitting at the computer, and you could hear Mike doing the dishes in the background, and like, lots of room noise and stuff like that, but now... ''{Lynda laughs}'' ...little sound room looks fairly soundproof, or at least soundproof enough.

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah, I think the audio sounds great on your site.

'''MATT:''' Thanks. You should go watch some of the early emails and you'll really appreciate it, yeah, especially with headphones you'll really appreciate how, how much...

'''MIKE:''' You can hear trucks going by...

'''LYNDA:''' Right...

'''MIKE:''' Dogs barking and stuff...

'''LYNDA:''' But, you know, I still maintain that adds to the charm here. I mean, I really think that part of what is the appeal is that, you know, people can relate to this sort of crudely-drawn stuff, and I love how you intermix, you know, sort of, a lot of just visual metaphors of like old, you know, black and white footage, and funny videogames, and it's such a, you know, collage of different files and influences, it's really neat.

'''MATT:''' Thanks. That's a, yeah, we always feel like it's fortunate we can always put whatever we want on the site, it's a nice sorta catchall in terms of any creative idea we can come up with, we can probably cram it into the Homestar Runner universe in some way, be it, you know, a hair metal band, or, like you're saying, an old crappy Atari game, or any of that stuff, just can somehow get in there, which is cool, as opposed to, you know, if we had set out to make it be just some sci-fi cartoon or something, where you're kind of pigeon-holed into a genre, so it's nice that way.

===Video===

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah, and I love the video stuff that you have on there too, with the sock puppets and, um... If you're not using more current version of Flash, how you're dealing with the video, I'm just curious.

'''MATT:''' We do all the, uh, all that from that's what, uh, we use, we're still, like Mike said, we're still using MX '04 Professional for the video stuff, we haven't gotten 8 yet, so we do all that, and we've got the Sorenson Squeeze, a little app that compresses the video even better, so we shoot the stuff and usually just export it out of Final Cut as an uncompressed AVI, we found we get the best results when it... what you put into Sorenson is completely uncompressed, and so it ends up looking better. Obviously we're still making... we try and keep them around a meg, so these minute-long or 2 minute-long things around a meg, meg and a half and they're just tiny and still fairly crappy-looking video, unfortunately, but we just don't want to mess with bandwidth just 'cause every... all the other content on our site is so much smaller than that, for the most part.

'''LYNDA:''' Well, it's really appreciated.

===Advertising===

'''LYNDA:''' I also think it's really neat that you don't have any advertising, I'm sure your site is popular enough to where you could make a lot of money with advertising, what has prompted–

'''MATT:''' We're promised that all the time.

'''LYNDA:''' Oh, I'm certain of it.

'''MATT:''' I'm still don't know... I still don't believe that banner ads can work.

'''LYNDA:''' Oh. Well, I don't have them on our sites either.

'''MIKE:''' That's not why we don't do it. We made that decision very early on, it's just... to not be interrupted, and to be... without links and other things bothering you when you're at Homestar Runner. We want your full attention, and I think people appreciate not... Even though I think, for the most part, people can block out banner ads, I mean everyone sees ''{?}'' going to sites with a million pop-up ads and banner ads and stuff and it's... you can get past it pretty easily but people definitely appreciate them not being there.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, we still hear that, which is good, it was nice that people recognize that pretty quickly, and...

'''MIKE:''' Also aesthetically, it's something that... it was a decision to just have this clean... we've got the large black border and we put everything in this little window, and I think it's just more aesthetically pleasing.

'''LYNDA:''' I totally agree with you. I think it's a luxury that, from what I've read about you, you're supporting yourselves through selling merchandise. Is that correct?

'''MIKE:''' Yeah. Again, we're lucky to be able to make the decisions based on that, we don't need whatever revenue banner ads would bring in.

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah. I kind of have the same philosophy in my site... we have our ways of making money, Flashforward sells tickets and that's how we survive, and lynda.com has its own way. I suppose we could all be extra greedy and get the ad money too, but if it's already working, and it's a really nice experience for your end-user, to me it's well worth it to keep them off.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, advertising is a necessary evil, and if it's not necessary, then it's just evil.

'''LYNDA:''' Then it's too evil, definitely.

===Projects===

'''LYNDA:''' So have you been offered any other kinds of projects? I'm sure your site has caught the attention of some network execs now and again, has anything tempted you to get outside the web space?

'''MATT:''' Nothing... I mean, we would have done, probably, by now, I mean we've definitely opened... left as many of those doors open as possible, when we hear from people at networks and studios and stuff, but so far there's nothing, like I said we're still having so much fun, and it's fulfilling us creatively at this point, we haven't gone off and done other things. Though, we have... we've gotten to do couple of music videos for bands that we like, which is cool...

'''LYNDA:''' I know, I saw the [[Experimental Film|They Might Be Giants]] one.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, we got to do that, and we got to do a video for a band called "[[Wikipedia:Folk Implosion|Folk Implosion]]" that we're big fans of, and so that's been really cool, and we have lots of friends in bands and so we've messed around with doing videos for them, or wanting to do that same sort of thing, and that's fun, that seems like something we can do and it's not as time-consuming as...

'''MIKE:''' Just little small projects that you can do for a month and then...

'''MATT:''' Yeah, as opposed to writing a feature or starting some other cartoon on a network or something like that. At this point I dunno, it's just a hard sell for those people, because it's my brother and I screwing around in our crappy little office by the bowling alley, doing whatever we want on whatever time schedule we want, or...

'''MIKE:''' We were watching Wrestlemania 3 this morning.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, Mike brought in Wrestlemania 3, an old tape from 1985 that we found at our parents' house. So that's what we were doing today, as opposed to "we need 22 episodes of the Strong Bad cartoon by such-and-such a date, and this producer's gonna give you notes, and make sure to plug this advertisement, and..." it just seems like there's no contest.

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah, I can see the trade-off there.

'''MATT:''' At the same time, though, there could be a point where we're ready to do something like that, and if you approach it from that aspect then it's fine, it's just as opposed to doing... Knowing that you're getting into that, I think we would be okay, but at this point, changing Homestar Runner to be something like that would definitely suck.

'''LYNDA:''' And I think a really strong dimension of Homestar Runner is the interactivity that we haven't talked about too much, but you do have a lot of Easter eggs, and ways that your audience interact with your work, so how important is that to what you're building here?

'''MATT:''' That's always been a huge part, I mean it was definitely something from the beginning that we wanted to reward the repeat viewer and the curious viewer with these little secrets and stuff, and it was really cool to hear after the site had been up for several years, and we met some people that were fans of the site, and they had no idea that there were these Easter eggs, and so we were already on to Strong Bad Email number 70 or something, and they're like "Are you telling me all 70 of those Strong Bad Emails had hidden stuff that I've never seen?" and we're like "Oh, not all of them, but most of them." That was really cool, to see that there are people that like it 'cause it's funny, 'cause there's definitely people that that's the biggest part of the draw for them is that they like this hidden stuff, so it's funny, when... if we don't do as many Easter eggs in a cartoon we'll...

'''MIKE:''' Barely hidden anymore. We need to start hiding them more, it's so effective that... ''{mocking voice}'' "Oh, there's only one Easter egg this time..."

'''MATT:''' That, and plus the fact that Strong Bad Emails are from real fans, so there is that direct connection with... Strong Bad picks an email and it's some kid's email, and he puts it on the site, I think that's pretty cool too.

===Inspiration===
'''LYNDA:''' I totally agree, and it seems like that was... maybe, I could be wrong, but was that more the genesis for a lot of the early cartoons, and is it still? Where do you find your inspiration, besides the emails? The emails are great fodder, and you've done a wonderful job with them, but I'm curious if your creative process has changed at all, if you find influence from places that you never thought you would and things like that.

'''MIKE:''' I just get inspiration from whatever crappy TV reruns we were watching, or bad Nintendo game, or some thing that some kid in third grade said 20 years ago that we still repeat over and over again...

'''MATT:''' Or the guy at the diner that's now demolished that had half a mustache...

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, we use that... we went to this really depressing lunch, this diner was terrible, but our waiter had half a mustache, and it was such a bad lunch that I was determined to get something out of the lunch, so we wrote this person with half a mustache into one cartoon. That's where our inspiration comes from, people with weird facial hair.

'''LYNDA:''' Well I think a lot of people do struggle with "How do we get ideas?", so it's really great to hear that you just look everywhere...

'''MATT:''' They're all around you.

'''MIKE:''' There's definitely times when we're struggling for an idea, and it's hard to force it sometimes, sometimes when you force it it works... by doing the Strong Bad Emails every week we sort of gave ourselves this deadline, and there were lots of times where that affects the writing process, the fact that we've got to get this up in six more hours, whereas if we were just doing it leisurely I think the product would have been different. I think sometimes that works for you and sometimes that can work against you, obviously.

'''LYNDA:''' Absolutely. Well, one of the things we like to do at Flashforward is inspire everybody, and part of... probably the most inspirational thing of all is the film festival – I've had many people tell me after being at the film festival that they left the conference and created something that they didn't think they would have created had they not seen it. So I'm looking forward to your session inspiring a lot of people. I realise that you're not gonna teach anybody how to do animation, or ActionScript, but I don't really think that's the role of having people like yourselves... what you're doing is so successful and effective and compelling and... you have so many fans, I live in a town of 8,000 people, and I see people walking around with your tshirts on, which to me is a sign of something and... obviously you could never have expected to have done this, since the Internet was so new in 2000, and not very many people have achieved what you guys have achieved.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, it was pretty cool to see... I mean, not in a negative way, but... that we'd outlasted some of the other sites. There's usually... a lot of them are still up, flash cartoon sites that were popular back when we first started... they're still up, but they're not putting up new... they haven't been putting up new content forever, or they went to subscription service and things like that. The fact that it's 6 years later, and we're still just doing the same thing, just giving it to people for free if they want to see it, maybe they'll buy a shirt, maybe they won't. It's a source of pride, for me, anyway.

'''LYNDA:''' As it should be.

'''MATT:''' You go back to [http://icebox.com/ icebox.com] and... what are some of the other ones? I forget, there's some old ones that were the big heavy-hitters back in the day that we'll go back sometimes to look at and just be like "Wow, remember that?" We're older than them now, that's pretty cool.

===Goodbyes===
'''LYNDA:''' Well, you should be proud, and we're actually also really proud that you're coming to Flashforward and I know lots and lots of people are excited to see you, so in advance I want to thank you for agreeing to come, and...

'''MIKE:''' Do you look like the lynda.com logo?

'''LYNDA:''' Um, well, my husband gets upset with me, he drew it when... because occasionally I'll change glasses or cut my hair... the logo's 10 years old... I remember the first time I changed my hairdo, he was like ''{indignant}'' "Well, you don't like your logo any more." But I actually do probably look like my logo, I mean I wear glasses, and... yeah, I have the glasses part. My hair is probably a little shorter than that logo right now. And I've aged 10 years.

'''MATT:''' Thanks so much for inviting us, we're very excited.

'''LYNDA:''' The feeling is mutual.

'''MIKE:''' Been to Seattle before?

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah, Seattle's a great city, a lot of people haven't been there before, and it's one of the reasons why I wanted to have it in Seattle, I'm just of the belief that the whole conference experience should be stimulating, and we've had a history of going back and forth from the same two locations for a long time, so I'm hoping that getting people out to a new city is gonna add to the inspiration and stimulation of... learning new things and doing something new, so we cannot wait to have you. Thank you for being part of the podcast, and we'll see you in Seattle.

'''MATT:''' Fantastic.

'''MIKE:''' Yep, great.

'''LYNDA:''' Thanks.

'''MIKE:''' Thanks, Lynda.

===Closing Comments===
'''LYNDA:''' ''{back in a studio}'' The Flashforward conference and film festival brings together the best minds in the Flash design and development community, in a four-day conference and international film festival. With the release of Flash 8 and the new focus on Flash as a platform, Flashforward offers knowledge and inspiration for everyone in the Flash community, whatever role Flash plays in your life and work. Join us and over 1000 Flash designers and developers in Seattle this February. If you'd like a discount to the conference, please enter the code <code>PODSEA3</code> when you register. We hope to see you in Seattle, it's going to be an outstanding show. For more information, visit [http://www.flashforwardconference.com/ www.flashforwardconference.com]. Flashforward is produced by [http://lynda.com/ lynda.com], home of the online training library, an online training resource that has hundreds of hours of Flash training and other training in the digital arts. Thanks for listening to the podcast, and we hope to see you in Seattle.

==Fun Facts==
*[[Wikipedia:FutureSplash|FutureSplash]] was a freeware animation program (made by FutureWave, a company that also made "SmartSketch", a vector-drawing program) that was eventually bought out by [[Wikipedia:Macromedia|Macromedia]] and renamed [[Wikipedia:Macromedia Flash|Flash]].
*[[Wikipedia:Sorenson Squeeze|Sorenson Squeeze]] is a program that creates [[Wikipedia:FLV|Flash Video]] files.
*When Mike is speaks about a cartoon that uses a character with half a mustache, he is referring to the [[Old-Timey Strong Bad]] Easter egg in [[flashback]].

==See Also==

*[[Flashforward 2006 Seattle - 28 Feb 2006]]

==External Links==
*[http://blog.flashforwardconference.com/2006/02/10/podcast-chapman-brothers-interview/ Download the interview from Flashforward]
[[Category:Interviews and Public Appearances]]

Flashforward Interview - 10 Feb 2006

Timmodonuts — Mon, 01 Feb 2021 16:59:27 GMT

Timmodonuts: /* Goodbyes */

[[Image:Flashforward 2006 Seattle logo.PNG|thumb|400px|The logo of Flashforward 2006.]]
[[Matt Chapman|Matt]] and [[Mike Chapman]], creators of [[HomestarRunner.com]], will be presenting "[[Flashforward 2006 Seattle - 28 Feb 2006|How and Why Homestar Runner Cartoons Get Made]]" at '''Flashforward2006 Seattle'''. Learn more in this audio interview with Lynda Weinman: what it's like working together every day, why they still proudly use Flash 5, how they incorporate audio and video, how they are able to offer free content with no ads, the importance of interactivity, and what other projects they've worked on.

Twenty-two minutes and forty-eight seconds of pure Friday fun!

==Transcript==
===Introduction===
'''LYNDA WEINMAN:''' Hi, you're listening to the Flashforward Conference and Film Festival Podcast. The largest Flash user conference in the world, sponsored by Adobe Systems and produced by [http://www.lynda.com/ lynda.com]. I'm Lynda Weinman, founder of the conference. If you'd like to learn more about Flashforward, please visit [http://www.flashforwardconference.com/ flashforwardconference.com]. Listen to the end of the podcast for information on our upcoming conference in Seattle, on February 27th through March 2nd, 2006. In each podcast episode, I will be conducting a phone interview with one of our speakers, sponsors, or film festival finalists. In today's Flashforward podcast, I interview Matt and Mike Chapman, [[The Brothers Chaps]], who are the creators of the homestarrunner.com website. They will be speaking for the first time at the Flashforward Conference and Film Festival on Tuesday, February 28th, from 3:45 to 5:00pm in Room 6B. This is their session description: ''"How and Why Homestar Runner Cartoons get Made: Take a step back in time as Mike and Matt Chapman show how they still use Flash® 5 to make the weekly cartoons featured on HomestarRunner.com. Learn the secrets and not-so-secrets of making a 3-5 minute cartoon every week. Hear about their six years on the web, watch some of their stuff, and learn how they've managed to make a living doing something they like."''
===Welcome!===
'''LYNDA:''' ''{now over telephone}'' Well, it's really great to connect with you both over the telephone, I have Mike and, uh, Matt Chapman over the phone with me. Welcome!

'''MIKE:''' Hi, thank you.

'''LYNDA:''' Hey, we're really excited to have you at Flashforward, is this your first speaking gig at a technology conference?

'''MIKE:''' Absolutely.

'''MATT:''' We're very thrilled to be part of it and we're kind of... we still think it's sort of an accident, probably.

'''LYNDA:''' ''{laughs}''

'''MIKE:''' Flashforward, since I think I maybe heard of it in 2000? Pretty much right when we started using Flash.

'''LYNDA:''' I know, I was, you know, looking at your bio and seeing that you started in 2000 and that's when the conference started as well, so we share the same birthdate.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah.

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah.

===Flash discussion===

'''MATT:''' Flashforward was really, I think that's what exploded ''{?}'' in terms of–

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, we got Flash 4 in, I guess, 1999, late 1999.

'''LYNDA:''' So had you ever done animation before you got Flash 4?

'''MATT:''' Yeah, we'd done it in lots of other forms, we'd done stop-motion stuff, we'd messed, you know, with just cel... very crude hand-drawn cel animation. Growing up we did a lot of that stuff. All very crude and not very advanced.

'''MIKE:''' We'd do stop-motion with a video camera where the smallest chunks of time you could give would be about two or three seconds.

'''MATT:''' ''{laughing}'' Yeah, you couldn't come anywhere close to frame-by-frame animation.

'''LYNDA:''' Well, I mean, those roots really show in your work, even though, even though a lot of people would look at it and say it's crude, I think people who are trained in animation recognize that there is artistry to what you're doing, absolutely.

'''MIKE:''' Well, thank you.

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah.

'''MIKE:''' So when we got Flash 4 we were pretty thrilled with how easy it was to, you know, to manipulate things and to sort of have this library you could pull from instead of having to redraw every time, so that was very nice, we were pretty- pretty psyched.

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah I think Flash started its life as a different product and it- it didn't have any interactivity at all, it only had animation and drawing tools, so it- it had- it had- it was the first program I ever saw that had onion skinning, it was called SmartSketch. ''{pause}'' And-

'''MATT:''' Onion skinning comes in very handy.

'''MIKE:''' Was that FutureSplash?

'''LYNDA:''' FutureSplash, there you go. That's what it was called, oops. ''{laughs}''

'''MIKE:''' I did my homework.

'''LYNDA:''' You did what?

'''MIKE:''' I did my homework.

'''LYNDA:''' Yes you did. Um, and your- your memory is better than mine.

===Family Affair===

'''LYNDA:''' So, where are you guys based?

'''MIKE:''' We're based in Decatur, Georgia, which is just east of Atlanta.

'''LYNDA:''' And, um, this is a family affair even that extends beyond you two brothers, correct?

'''MIKE:''' Yes, pretty much everyone; our sister, dad and mom, and uh, inlaws, everybody helps out whenever they get a chance. Us two and our sister are full time employees. And everyone else pitches in when something needs to be done.

'''LYNDA:''' I'm sure you're all quite amazed by the success of this, do you want to talk a little about that? I mean were your parents always supportive of this sort... of your drawing and animation experiments and things like that?

'''MATT:''' Yeah, Mike and I, we, we always say that we had the sort of curse of having the parents that were too interested and too supportive of everything you were doing, and our dad and mom would drive four hours to see my crappy band play in college in a smokey bar ''{Lynda laughs at this}'', stuff like that, and it was sort of like "I kind of don't want you guys to be here at a crappy club, I can't swear on stage then."

'''MIKE:''' "I won't be able to drink beers then."

'''MATT:''' Yeah. But, I mean obviously it was wonderful, and it was very cool our dad's a retired accountant, so Mike and I started tinkering around with Flash and when we got the website up it had a lot of stuff going, he kind of encouraged us to try and sell some t-shirts or whatever, he's definitely our biggest fan, and he's always supported us in all our creative endeavors. I think that's part of his thing, he definitely always wanted to be a writer and ended up being an accountant, so I think sort of through, you know, he was getting his creative jones through his sons, which we're totally cool with, so....

'''LYNDA:''' That's really neat. So you have a musical background as well as writing and drawing.

'''MATT:''' Yeah...

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, our musical background is just as mediocre as all of our other backgrounds... College rock band... "Technically..." What did you call it?

'''MATT:''' Trained? Technically trained?

'''LYNDA:''' Well, I think in some ways the mediocrity is the charm, because it makes it sort of... people can identify with the pure creative spirit that's coming out of Homestar Runner. You know, the stories and the characters and the humor I think are really approachable to most people.

'''MATT:''' We hope so.

'''MIKE:''' "Technically Proficient", that's what I was trying to think of.

'''MATT:''' "Technically Proficient"?

'''MIKE:''' Proficient, yeah, that's a hard word for me to come up with.

===Why not upgrade?===

'''LYNDA:''' So, speaking of Technically Proficient, what version of Flash are you guys using right now?

'''MIKE:''' Proudly using Flash 5.

'''MATT:''' Yeah. And have been since, since 2001 or whenever it came out.

'''LYNDA:''' Wow. Is there a reason why you have not upgraded?

'''MIKE:''' There's several reasons, and we'll let everyone know at the Flashforward conference what they are.

'''LYNDA:''' OK.

'''MIKE:''' Lots of little small things. We actually publish everything in Flash 7 still, and we'll get Flash 8 just because the compression is so much better, the filesize is generally about 30% smaller...

'''LYNDA''' Mmm-hmm...

'''MIKE:''' ...so that's always good. But there's lots of little minor things, like the color selection, and...

'''MATT:''' Frame selection, syncing...

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, see not only do we use Flash 5 but we use the Flash 4 timeline keyframing style.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, we set it, there's that setting, you can set it to Flash 4...

'''LYNDA:''' Right...

'''MATT:''' ...for frame selection, and we still use that actually...

'''LYNDA:''' I'm kind of with you, I really preferred the way that it used to work, and I set mine back too.

'''MATT:''' Yeah... It's, uh, I dunno, there's just something streamlined, and it's the sort of thing where we... probably if we just worked it for two weeks and just forced ourselves to use Flash 8 we would be fine, but, uh, I don't know, it's one of those old habits die hard situations, I guess. There's definitely a couple of things with syncing up dialogue that seems like it's way easier and we haven't been able to duplicate a couple of the things we've tried, we go in and, cause we... the newer Flashes are pretty customizable, and we actually had our programmer guy, Jonathan, went in and tried to make all these weird, like, presets and keyboard shortcuts to try and mimic everything that we do in Flash 5 in 7 and even that was still, like, several... we'd have to do like several little keyboard shortcuts just to do something you can do with, you know, one click in Flash 5. We keep wanting someone to prove us wrong and give us a copy of, you know, a new Flash that works exactly the way we want it to, but nobody's been able to do it.

'''LYNDA:''' Hmm! Well, I bet that could be arranged. {''laughs''} I think you're going to be coming to the source by coming to Flashforward here.

===Audio===

'''LYNDA:''' So, you also use a lot of sound, and I'm curious, you know, what platform you guys use to author your materials, and what kinds of sound apps you use, and things like that.

'''MIKE:''' Weeeee... use, um, I guess, Adobe Audition now...

'''MATT:''' Used to be Cool Edit.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, Cool Edit Pro. Um, so we just use Mobile Pre-Amp, um, USB Pre-Amp, to, uh, plug the mikes in, and just, uh, record it all in Audition and clean it up in there.

'''MATT:''' We have a little sound room here at the office, it used to just be me sitting in front—We always had a decent microphone just cause, with, you know, from recording our own home music stuff, we had at least a decent microphone, and, like, a four-track and stuff, and so, but it was still just me sitting at the computer, and you could hear Mike doing the dishes in the background, and like, lots of room noise and stuff like that, but now... ''{Lynda laughs}'' ...little sound room looks fairly soundproof, or at least soundproof enough.

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah, I think the audio sounds great on your site.

'''MATT:''' Thanks. You should go watch some of the early emails and you'll really appreciate it, yeah, especially with headphones you'll really appreciate how, how much...

'''MIKE:''' You can hear trucks going by...

'''LYNDA:''' Right...

'''MIKE:''' Dogs barking and stuff...

'''LYNDA:''' But, you know, I still maintain that adds to the charm here. I mean, I really think that part of what is the appeal is that, you know, people can relate to this sort of crudely-drawn stuff, and I love how you intermix, you know, sort of, a lot of just visual metaphors of like old, you know, black and white footage, and funny videogames, and it's such a, you know, collage of different files and influences, it's really neat.

'''MATT:''' Thanks. That's a, yeah, we always feel like it's fortunate we can always put whatever we want on the site, it's a nice sorta catchall in terms of any creative idea we can come up with, we can probably cram it into the Homestar Runner universe in some way, be it, you know, a hair metal band, or, like you're saying, an old crappy Atari game, or any of that stuff, just can somehow get in there, which is cool, as opposed to, you know, if we had set out to make it be just some sci-fi cartoon or something, where you're kind of pigeon-holed into a genre, so it's nice that way.

===Video===

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah, and I love the video stuff that you have on there too, with the sock puppets and, um... If you're not using more current version of Flash, how you're dealing with the video, I'm just curious.

'''MATT:''' We do all the, uh, all that from that's what, uh, we use, we're still, like Mike said, we're still using MX '04 Professional for the video stuff, we haven't gotten 8 yet, so we do all that, and we've got the Sorenson Squeeze, a little app that compresses the video even better, so we shoot the stuff and usually just export it out of Final Cut as an uncompressed AVI, we found we get the best results when it... what you put into Sorenson is completely uncompressed, and so it ends up looking better. Obviously we're still making... we try and keep them around a meg, so these minute-long or 2 minute-long things around a meg, meg and a half and they're just tiny and still fairly crappy-looking video, unfortunately, but we just don't want to mess with bandwidth just 'cause every... all the other content on our site is so much smaller than that, for the most part.

'''LYNDA:''' Well, it's really appreciated.

===Advertising===

'''LYNDA:''' I also think it's really neat that you don't have any advertising, I'm sure your site is popular enough to where you could make a lot of money with advertising, what has prompted–

'''MATT:''' We're promised that all the time.

'''LYNDA:''' Oh, I'm certain of it.

'''MATT:''' I'm still don't know... I still don't believe that banner ads can work.

'''LYNDA:''' Oh. Well, I don't have them on our sites either.

'''MIKE:''' That's not why we don't do it. We made that decision very early on, it's just... to not be interrupted, and to be... without links and other things bothering you when you're at Homestar Runner. We want your full attention, and I think people appreciate not... Even though I think, for the most part, people can block out banner ads, I mean everyone sees ''{?}'' going to sites with a million pop-up ads and banner ads and stuff and it's... you can get past it pretty easily but people definitely appreciate them not being there.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, we still hear that, which is good, it was nice that people recognize that pretty quickly, and...

'''MIKE:''' Also aesthetically, it's something that... it was a decision to just have this clean... we've got the large black border and we put everything in this little window, and I think it's just more aesthetically pleasing.

'''LYNDA:''' I totally agree with you. I think it's a luxury that, from what I've read about you, you're supporting yourselves through selling merchandise. Is that correct?

'''MIKE:''' Yeah. Again, we're lucky to be able to make the decisions based on that, we don't need whatever revenue banner ads would bring in.

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah. I kind of have the same philosophy in my site... we have our ways of making money, Flashforward sells tickets and that's how we survive, and lynda.com has its own way. I suppose we could all be extra greedy and get the ad money too, but if it's already working, and it's a really nice experience for your end-user, to me it's well worth it to keep them off.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, advertising is a necessary evil, and if it's not necessary, then it's just evil.

'''LYNDA:''' Then it's too evil, definitely.

===Projects===

'''LYNDA:''' So have you been offered any other kinds of projects? I'm sure your site has caught the attention of some network execs now and again, has anything tempted you to get outside the web space?

'''MATT:''' Nothing... I mean, we would have done, probably, by now, I mean we've definitely opened... left as many of those doors open as possible, when we hear from people at networks and studios and stuff, but so far there's nothing, like I said we're still having so much fun, and it's fulfilling us creatively at this point, we haven't gone off and done other things. Though, we have... we've gotten to do couple of music videos for bands that we like, which is cool...

'''LYNDA:''' I know, I saw the [[Experimental Film|They Might Be Giants]] one.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, we got to do that, and we got to do a video for a band called "[[Wikipedia:Folk Implosion|Folk Implosion]]" that we're big fans of, and so that's been really cool, and we have lots of friends in bands and so we've messed around with doing videos for them, or wanting to do that same sort of thing, and that's fun, that seems like something we can do and it's not as time-consuming as...

'''MIKE:''' Just little small projects that you can do for a month and then...

'''MATT:''' Yeah, as opposed to writing a feature or starting some other cartoon on a network or something like that. At this point I dunno, it's just a hard sell for those people, because it's my brother and I screwing around in our crappy little office by the bowling alley, doing whatever we want on whatever time schedule we want, or...

'''MIKE:''' We were watching Wrestlemania 3 this morning.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, Mike brought in Wrestlemania 3, an old tape from 1985 that we found at our parents' house. So that's what we were doing today, as opposed to "we need 22 episodes of the Strong Bad cartoon by such-and-such a date, and this producer's gonna give you notes, and make sure to plug this advertisement, and..." it just seems like there's no contest.

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah, I can see the trade-off there.

'''MATT:''' At the same time, though, there could be a point where we're ready to do something like that, and if you approach it from that aspect then it's fine, it's just as opposed to doing... Knowing that you're getting into that, I think we would be okay, but at this point, changing Homestar Runner to be something like that would definitely suck.

'''LYNDA:''' And I think a really strong dimension of Homestar Runner is the interactivity that we haven't talked about too much, but you do have a lot of Easter eggs, and ways that your audience interact with your work, so how important is that to what you're building here?

'''MATT:''' That's always been a huge part, I mean it was definitely something from the beginning that we wanted to reward the repeat viewer and the curious viewer with these little secrets and stuff, and it was really cool to hear after the site had been up for several years, and we met some people that were fans of the site, and they had no idea that there were these Easter eggs, and so we were already on to Strong Bad Email number 70 or something, and they're like "Are you telling me all 70 of those Strong Bad Emails had hidden stuff that I've never seen?" and we're like "Oh, not all of them, but most of them." That was really cool, to see that there are people that like it 'cause it's funny, 'cause there's definitely people that that's the biggest part of the draw for them is that they like this hidden stuff, so it's funny, when... if we don't do as many Easter eggs in a cartoon we'll...

'''MIKE:''' Barely hidden anymore. We need to start hiding them more, it's so effective that... ''{mocking voice}'' "Oh, there's only one Easter egg this time..."

'''MATT:''' That, and plus the fact that Strong Bad Emails are from real fans, so there is that direct connection with... Strong Bad picks an email and it's some kid's email, and he puts it on the site, I think that's pretty cool too.

===Inspiration===
'''LYNDA:''' I totally agree, and it seems like that was... maybe, I could be wrong, but was that more the genesis for a lot of the early cartoons, and is it still? Where do you find your inspiration, besides the emails? The emails are great fodder, and you've done a wonderful job with them, but I'm curious if your creative process has changed at all, if you find influence from places that you never thought you would and things like that.

'''MIKE:''' I just get inspiration from whatever crappy TV reruns we were watching, or bad Nintendo game, or some thing that some kid in third grade said 20 years ago that we still repeat over and over again...

'''MATT:''' Or the guy at the diner that's now demolished that had half a mustache...

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, we use that... we went to this really depressing lunch, this diner was terrible, but our waiter had half a mustache, and it was such a bad lunch that I was determined to get something out of the lunch, so we wrote this person with half a mustache into one cartoon. That's where our inspiration comes from, people with weird facial hair.

'''LYNDA:''' Well I think a lot of people do struggle with "How do we get ideas?", so it's really great to hear that you just look everywhere...

'''MATT:''' They're all around you.

'''MIKE:''' There's definitely times when we're struggling for an idea, and it's hard to force it sometimes, sometimes when you force it it works... by doing the Strong Bad Emails every week we sort of gave ourselves this deadline, and there were lots of times where that affects the writing process, the fact that we've got to get this up in six more hours, whereas if we were just doing it leisurely I think the product would have been different. I think sometimes that works for you and sometimes that can work against you, obviously.

'''LYNDA:''' Absolutely. Well, one of the things we like to do at Flashforward is inspire everybody, and part of... probably the most inspirational thing of all is the film festival – I've had many people tell me after being at the film festival that they left the conference and created something that they didn't think they would have created had they not seen it. So I'm looking forward to your session inspiring a lot of people. I realise that you're not gonna teach anybody how to do animation, or ActionScript, but I don't really think that's the role of having people like yourselves... what you're doing is so successful and effective and compelling and... you have so many fans, I live in a town of 8,000 people, and I see people walking around with your tshirts on, which to me is a sign of something and... obviously you could never have expected to have done this, since the Internet was so new in 2000, and not very many people have achieved what you guys have achieved.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, it was pretty cool to see... I mean, not in a negative way, but... that we'd outlasted some of the other sites. There's usually... a lot of them are still up, flash cartoon sites that were popular back when we first started... they're still up, but they're not putting up new... they haven't been putting up new in forever, or they went to subscription service and things like that. The fact that it's 6 years later, and we're still just doing the same thing, just giving it to people for free if they want to see it, maybe they'll buy a shirt, maybe they won't. It's a source of pride, for me, anyway.

'''LYNDA:''' As it should be.

'''MATT:''' You go back to [http://icebox.com/ icebox.com] and... what are some of the other ones? I forget, there's some old ones that were the big heavy-hitters back in the day that we'll go back sometimes to look at and just be like "Wow, remember that?" We're older than them now, that's pretty cool.

===Goodbyes===
'''LYNDA:''' Well, you should be proud, and we're actually also really proud that you're coming to Flashforward and I know lots and lots of people are excited to see you, so in advance I want to thank you for agreeing to come, and...

'''MIKE:''' Do you look like the lynda.com logo?

'''LYNDA:''' Um, well, my husband gets upset with me, he drew it when... because occasionally I'll change glasses or cut my hair... the logo's 10 years old... I remember the first time I changed my hairdo, he was like ''{indignant}'' "Well, you don't like your logo any more." But I actually do probably look like my logo, I mean I wear glasses, and... yeah, I have the glasses part. My hair is probably a little shorter than that logo right now. And I've aged 10 years.

'''MATT:''' Thanks so much for inviting us, we're very excited.

'''LYNDA:''' The feeling is mutual.

'''MIKE:''' Been to Seattle before?

'''LYNDA:''' Yeah, Seattle's a great city, a lot of people haven't been there before, and it's one of the reasons why I wanted to have it in Seattle, I'm just of the belief that the whole conference experience should be stimulating, and we've had a history of going back and forth from the same two locations for a long time, so I'm hoping that getting people out to a new city is gonna add to the inspiration and stimulation of... learning new things and doing something new, so we cannot wait to have you. Thank you for being part of the podcast, and we'll see you in Seattle.

'''MATT:''' Fantastic.

'''MIKE:''' Yep, great.

'''LYNDA:''' Thanks.

'''MIKE:''' Thanks, Lynda.

===Closing Comments===
'''LYNDA:''' ''{back in a studio}'' The Flashforward conference and film festival brings together the best minds in the Flash design and development community, in a four-day conference and international film festival. With the release of Flash 8 and the new focus on Flash as a platform, Flashforward offers knowledge and inspiration for everyone in the Flash community, whatever role Flash plays in your life and work. Join us and over 1000 Flash designers and developers in Seattle this February. If you'd like a discount to the conference, please enter the code <code>PODSEA3</code> when you register. We hope to see you in Seattle, it's going to be an outstanding show. For more information, visit [http://www.flashforwardconference.com/ www.flashforwardconference.com]. Flashforward is produced by [http://lynda.com/ lynda.com], home of the online training library, an online training resource that has hundreds of hours of Flash training and other training in the digital arts. Thanks for listening to the podcast, and we hope to see you in Seattle.

==Fun Facts==
*[[Wikipedia:FutureSplash|FutureSplash]] was a freeware animation program (made by FutureWave, a company that also made "SmartSketch", a vector-drawing program) that was eventually bought out by [[Wikipedia:Macromedia|Macromedia]] and renamed [[Wikipedia:Macromedia Flash|Flash]].
*[[Wikipedia:Sorenson Squeeze|Sorenson Squeeze]] is a program that creates [[Wikipedia:FLV|Flash Video]] files.
*When Mike is speaks about a cartoon that uses a character with half a mustache, he is referring to the [[Old-Timey Strong Bad]] Easter egg in [[flashback]].

==See Also==

*[[Flashforward 2006 Seattle - 28 Feb 2006]]

==External Links==
*[http://blog.flashforwardconference.com/2006/02/10/podcast-chapman-brothers-interview/ Download the interview from Flashforward]
[[Category:Interviews and Public Appearances]]

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Timmodonuts — Thu, 10 Sep 2020 13:23:38 GMT

Timmodonuts: /* Inside References */

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[[Image:Sbemail148.PNG|thumb|Twice the ruckus-raising productivity]]

Strong Bad imagines his head disconnecting from his body.

'''Cast (in order of appearance):''' {{Film|Strong Bad}}, [[Head Bad and Strong Body]], {{Film|Homestar Runner}}, {{Film|The King of Town}}, {{Film|The Poopsmith}}, {{Film|Bubs}}, {{Film|Coach Z}}, {{Film|The Cheat}}

'''Places:''' [[Computer Room]], [[The Field]], [[The King of Town's Castle]], [[The Island]], [[Club Technochocolate]], [[Race Track]]

{{Comp|Lappy 486}}

'''Date:''' Monday, March 13, 2006

'''Running time:''' 3:11

'''Page title:''' Lappy 486

{{dvd|strongbad_email.exe Disc Five}}

==Transcript==

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' This week, I'm feeling my style! I've got confidence in my email!

''{reading}''

<blockquote class="lappy email">
<div>subject: sb!!!!</div>
Dear Strong Bad, 
If your head got disconnected and your head was rolling 
all over the place and you didn't even know were your 
body is or your head, what would you do? 
Jenny
</blockquote>

''{Strong Bad struggles to read everything between "were" and the final "head". He also sings Jenny's name, as follows:}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{singing}'' Jennyyy... ''{high-pitched}'' Jenny! ''{speaking normally, typing}'' Um, was ''your'' head connected to ''your'' body when you wrote this email? I think I get the gist of it. ''{clears the screen}'' While my head and body are normally the bosomest ''{pronounced boosomest}'' of buddies, I suppose I could double my productivity if they were separated. Like, I could raise that ruckus I've been planning in two days instead of four! The plausibilities are endless!

''{Cut to The Field, where Strong Bad's disembodied head is speaking to Homestar Runner. A sign reads "THE CAREER ADVISOR IS REAL IN" with "REAL" being a separate removable word.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' My head could be off giving folks career advice...

''{The scene pans over and darkens, while a second scene appears on the left with a split down the middle of the screen. The scene on the left shows Strong Bad's headless body next to a box of "riot rocks", near the King of Town's castle. He is throwing the rocks at the King of Town and The Poopsmith, who is wearing [[whatsit]]-covered armor and blocking the rocks with a shield that has the King's face on it.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' ...whilst my body is rioting against the municipality!

''{The body's scene darkens while the head's scene brightens.}''

'''HEAD BAD:''' Maybe this running business just isn't for you. Have you ever considered the making and selling of tiny breads?

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Homestar Bunmaker, eh? Me likey, me likey! Thanks, Eggman! ''{turns away, but then turns back}'' Oh, and... ''{throws coins}'' why don't you get yourself something to eat? Put some meat on them bones, girl!

''{Homestar walks off. The bar dividing the two scenes slides off to the left, resulting in a single scene. The camera pans right to reveal the same rock-throwing scene just to the right of Strong Bad's head. His head turns toward his body.}''

'''HEAD BAD:''' That's some nice revolutin', there, body, but, uh, maybe we should spread out. Like, more.

''{The body gives the head a thumbs-up. Cut to a closeup of Strong Bad's head on a beach. His head is sitting on a picnic blanket, resting against a palm tree, wearing a pair of sunglasses. There is a drink with three umbrellas in front of him. A seagull can be heard in the background. The camera zooms out slowly.}''

'''HEAD BAD:''' Ah, livin' the sleazy life.

''{The camera cuts back to show that Strong Bad's head is actually alone on a small island.}''

'''HEAD BAD:''' ''{turning back}'' Hey, cabana boy! My drink needs more umbrellas! What kind of deserted island is this, anyway?

''{Cut to Club Technochocolate, where Strong Bad's body is dancing with Bubs.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' Meanwhile, my body could be off putting its considerably reduced weight on it down at the cloughb!

'''BUBS:''' Dang, Strong Body! Without all that extra head ballast, your moves are twicely fresh! Twicely fresh!

''{Cut to an image of Strong Bad's head rolling across The Field.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' My head would probably get pretty dizzy just rollin' around all the time. I might have to rig up some kind of repulsor lifts!

''{The camera cuts back, and the head begins to hover through a disc on the bottom.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' Naw, scratch that. I'm gonna need something with a little more... muscle.

''{The disc disappears and is replaced by flaming exhaust pipes on the top of its head. Motorcycle sounds are heard.}''

'''HEAD BAD:''' Oh, yeah! That's what I'm talkin' about! ''{leans back, as though revving up}'' Reer! Reeeeer! ''{starts zipping back and forth across the scene quickly}'' Rooow! Rooow! Rooo! Reer! ''{imitating brakes as it stops}'' Reeeeee! Whoa! This mess rules! I can finally win the million-yard dash! ''{zips forward again}'' Roooo...

''{Cut to a finish line, which the head zips through quickly. Then cut to the other side, where Coach Z is holding a stopwatch.}''

'''HEAD BAD:''' ''{imitating brakes}'' Reeeee! Oh, yes! I beat Homestar!

'''COACH Z:''' Sorry, Head Bad, but you was the only one competin' this year! Old 'Strammy's gone and quit the runnin' business!

''{Homestar jumps up behind Strong Bad's head, wearing a new hat that reads "BUNMAKER" and holding a box of "TINY BREADS".}''

'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' Cooornbreeeeead! I got cornbread here! Dinner rolls! Cornbread! Everybody wants a bun! Lemme hear that dinner roll!

''{Cut to a blank white screen. Strong Bad's body walks on from stage right, while the unaltered head rolls on from stage left.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{voiceover}'' Maybe one day, we'd both learn to regenerate...

''{The head gains an arm, a green leg, a spirally arm, and an extremely thin robotic-looking leg. The body gains an odd growth colored to look like Strong Bad's head in its chest.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ...creating two perfectly-formed Strong Bad specimens!

'''STRONG BODY:''' ''{in a somewhat whiny voice that sounds nothing like Strong Bad}'' I would like to go to the store.

'''HEAD BAD:''' ''{in a scratchy voice followed by laughing that also sounds nothing like Strong Bad}'' ''{unintelligible}'' [[#Footnote|[1]]] 

''{Cut back to the Lappy.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Eeeugh! Go away, head-nub and nub-head. Those things look straight out of the creature shop from some low-to-no budget horror film. Maybe chopping my head off isn't such a good idea.

''{Cut back to show The Cheat standing next to a guillotine near the computer.}''

'''THE CHEAT:''' ''{makes dejected The Cheat noises, walks off}''

''{Cut back to the Lappy's screen.}''

'''STRONG BAD:''' ''{typing}'' Well, time to go satisfy my sudden craving for tiny breads. ''{gets up}'' Hope I can find my local bunman...

''{[[The Paper]] comes down.}''

===Footnote===

#[[#footnoteref|This line]] could be "I like your shoes", "I hate your shoes", "I think you're shoes", "I think you're cute", or "I ate your shoes".

==Easter Eggs==
[[Image:sbemail Deodorant.png|thumb|Soccer scent.]]
[[Image:Disconnected Easter egg.PNG|thumb|We're onto you.]]
*At the very beginning, click "strongbad_email.exe" to see sbemail Deodorant. Pictures show:
<blockquote>
sbemail 
Deodorant 
Soccer Scent 
 
"I'm feeling my style... 
I've got confidence in my email!"
</blockquote>

*At the end, click on "horror film" to see a movie poster for "Regenerator 4".
<blockquote>
A Low-To-No Budget Horror Film 
 
REGENERATOR 4 
OR: FOUR MORE REGENERATORS 
 
With Special Make-up Effects by 
TOLD SALLIAVER[[Lowercase i's|i]]</blockquote>

*Click on "good idea" to see a propaganda poster of The Poopsmith riot squad.
<blockquote>
SUPPORT THE MUNICIPALITY! 
 
WE'RE ONTO YOU.</blockquote>

==Fun Facts==

===Explanations===

*[[Wikipedia:Ballast tanks|Ballast]] is a material (such as water) used in a ballast tank to add mass to an object, usually to improve stability.

===Trivia===

*The label on the disk in the floppy disk container reads "[[Floppy Disk Container#below the root|below the root]]".
*One million yards is approximately 568 miles.
*This is the first email in which an Easter egg is found before the actual email is shown.
*When Head Bad is on the deserted island, he is wearing his [[Dangeresque (character)|Dangeresque]] sunglasses.

===Remarks===

*Viewing the Flash file of this email reveals a large black block covering the area that is normally outside the frame.
*[[Wiktionary:plausible|Plausible]] means "seemingly believable", and a [[Wiktionary:plausibility|plausibility]] is anything that is plausible. Strong Bad's use of the word "plausibility" is [[Malapropisms|incorrect]]; a more appropriate word would be "possibility".
*The Regenerator 4 Easter egg has an unexpected [[Lowercase i's|lowercase i]] in the same word as a capital I.
*In the DVD commentary for [[island]], [[Matt Chapman]] said that he and [[Mike Chapman|Mike]] planned to reuse the island in a later toon.
*When Head Bad finishes the 1 million yard dash, the running lanes are labeled 5, 6, 7. Lanes 1 through 4 are missing.
*"The Municipality" is a synonym of "town", as in the one over which the King rules.
*This is the first time the King of Town has shown any authority in Free Country USA.

===Goofs===

*When Head Bad gets the 'muscle' engine growing out of his head, his shadow on the ground never changes to match the engine.
*When Head Bad finishes the 1 million yard dash, the finish line tape is connected to a pole. In another shot there, the pole is gone, and the tape just sits on the ground.
*When Strong Body is "rioting against the municipality" a rock appears in his glove after each throw without him reaching into the box. Also, the rocks in the box don't seem to be disappearing.
*The Poopsmith's bat and Head Bad's sign should have been seen in the opposite scenes before the screen pans, seeing as both objects crossed the division between the screens.
*When Strong Bad is on the island, the lemon on the drinking glass appears to be directly connected to the glass, instead of being wedged into the edge.
*Bubs' mouth does not move the second time he says "twicely fresh".
*Strong Body's neck still has the shadow usually cast by Strong Bad's head, even when it's not there.

===Inside References===

*[[Head Bad and Strong Body]] were first used on [[Main Page 7]].
*Coach Z calling Homestar "'Strammy" mirrors his mispronunciation "Stramstar" in [[A Jorb Well Done]].
*Strong Bad's pronunciation of "club" also occurred in [[extra plug]].
*The exhaust pipes on Strong Bad's head are reminiscent of the ones used on Bubs's pumpkin in [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]].
*Homestar becoming a bunmaker could be related to his obsession with [[bread]] in [[origins]].
*The phrase "put your weight on it" was previously used in [[flashback]].
*Bubs describes Strong Body's dancing as "[[twice]]ly fresh".
*Bubs's dance in [[Club Technochocolate]] is the same one he did in [[geddup noise]].
*While Strong Body is dancing in Club Technochocolate, he slides on the ground while kneeling, a move that was also performed by Strong Bad at the end of his [[rock opera]].
*Strong Bad's head was first called an [[egg]] in [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]].
*A "cabana boy" was mentioned earlier in the [[Puppet Jam: Tropical Lazor Beams#DVD Transcript|DVD version of Tropical Lazor Beams]].
*This is another appearance of [[Loose Coins]].
*Strong Bad mentions seeing his local "bunm'n" which is an example of [["Man" pronounced as "m'n"]]

===Real-World References===

*Strong Bad's "career advisor" sign is similar to the "Psychiatric help" sign used by [[Wikipedia:Lucy van Pelt|Lucy van Pelt]] from the [[Peanuts]] comics. More specifically, it reads "The doctor is real in", with "real in" being the movable part of the sign in ''[[Wikipedia:A Charlie Brown Christmas|A Charlie Brown Christmas]]''.
**The sign also is written in the "Peanuts" [[Fonts#P|font]].
*The Repulsorlift is the technology used in the ''[[Wikipedia:Star Wars|Star Wars]]'' universe to create lift for vehicles. It is most notably used on the various speeders, but it also works for spacecraft, such as the [[Wikipedia:X-wing|X-wing]]. It is supposedly based on the creation of artificial gravity "pockets" that act against the natural gravity of other objects.
*The phrase "put your weight on it" (in reference to dancing) comes from the Rudy Ray Moore movie ''[[Wikipedia:Disco Godfather|Disco Godfather]]''.
*"Lemme hear that dinner roll" is a reference to the lyrics of the 1994 song [[Wikipedia:Tootsie Roll (song)|"Tootsie Roll"]] by the band 69 Boyz.
*The exhaust pipes coming out of Head Bad could be referred to as a "[[Wikipedia:Manifold (automotive engineering)|header]]" in automotive engineering parlance.
*The "We're Onto You" poster could be a reference to the similar propaganda "Big Brother Is Watching You" from the book ''[[Wikipedia:Nineteen Eighty-Four|Nineteen Eighty-Four]]''.
**The "We're Onto You" poster may also be a reference to the video game [[Wikipedia:Beyond Good & Evil (video game)|Beyond Good & Evil]], because one of the common sights in said game is a poster that says "Support the Government. We're here to protect you."
*Bubs's repetition of the phrase "twicely fresh" is reminiscent of the Sesame Street character and host of Mysterious Theater Vincent Twice's repetition of his own name.
*"Regenerator 4" is possibly a reference to the [[Wikipedia:Re-Animator|Re-Animator]] series of horror films.
*"With Special Make-up Effects by TOLD SALLIAVERi" could be a reference to [[Wikipedia:Tom Savini|Tom Savini]], well-known special effects make-up man in many low-budget (as well as hit) movies, such as [[Wikipedia:Day of the Dead|Day of the Dead]] and the [[Wikipedia:Friday the 13th (series)|Friday the 13th]] series.
*Strong Bad's deserted island drink could be a [[Wikipedia:Tequila Sunrise (cocktail)|Tequila Sunrise]], judging by the scene's tropical theme and the drink's gradual color blend from yellow to dark orange.






===Fast Forward===
*The floppy disk reading "below the root" also appears in [[keep cool]].
*The Municipality is later referenced in [[more armies]].
*Strong Bad does the same dance moves at Club Technochocolate in [[nightlife]].
**The extended version of the music heard at Club Technochocolate would be heard in the aforementioned email.

== DVD Version ==
*The DVD version features creators' commentary. To access it, switch your DVD player's audio language selection while watching.

===Commentary Transcript===
('''Commentary by:''' [[Mike Chapman]], [[Matt Chapman]])

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}'' I feel like that's a, uh, jingle for soap or—

'''MATT:''' Deodorant.

'''MIKE:''' —deodorant, yeah.

'''MATT:''' Definitely.

'''MIKE:''' Just this week... ''{laughter}''

'''MATT:''' It's the deodorant that lasts all week— I need the deodorant, and the soap that lasts all week long, Mike. Between showers.

'''MIKE:''' Unfortunately, you're right. You do need that.

'''MATT:''' Yeah.

''{long pause}''

'''MIKE:''' Well... I'm gonna go ahead say something here.

'''MATT:''' All right. ''{starts to say something else, but is cut off by Mike}''

'''MIKE:''' I'm gonna jump right in. I don't mean to cut you off or anything.

'''MATT:''' No. Hop on in.

'''MIKE:''' But I'm just gonna, uh, keep talking here. Yeah.

'''MATT:''' Wait, you don't ''really'' have anything to say.

'''MIKE:''' ''{overlapping}'' No, I was just trying to break the silence.

'''MATT:''' ''{overlapping}'' Look, come on, we're going now.

'''MIKE:''' Okay, he's "Real In". ''{referring to Strong Bad's sign}'' That's good.

'''MATT:''' Look, there's the Pooper Trooper.

'''MIKE:''' Is that his name?

'''MATT:''' I don't know, that's what I call him sometimes.

'''MIKE:''' I never heard that before. You should... you should ''tell'' me these things.

'''MATT:''' There's the logo for the Municipality. The oppressive King of Tow— ''{Mike laughs}'' The King of Town's oppressive other, uh... other ego, as I— as I call him.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughing}'' Other ego.

'''MATT:''' Uh, I want a box of riot— Ach! Whoa! ''{split screen pans to reveal Strong Bad's parts are side by side}''

'''MIKE:''' That's—

'''MATT:''' They were all the time just vlipped on vlop.

'''MIKE:''' Ooh, I get it.

'''MATT:''' A, uh... Is that a prat fall? Is that what they call a prat fall?

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}'' No.

'''MATT:''' Is that physical humor?

'''MIKE:''' No.

'''MATT:''' A spit take! That's a spit take!

''{short pause, Strong Bad's head is lounging on an island}''

'''MIKE:''' That's a nice scene right there.

'''MATT:''' Yeah, I want that cocktail.

'''MIKE:''' I want that sunbeam on my face. ''{cut to Strong Bad's body dancing in Club Technochocolate}'' Oh, look at that.

''{laughter}''

'''MATT:''' Ooo.

'''MIKE:''' This is a nice club... club technochocolate song.

'''MATT:''' I like how—

'''MIKE:''' We should use this more often.

'''MATT:''' —Strong Bad always, uh, pronounces club "cloughb".

'''MIKE:''' Uh-huh.

'''MATT:''' ''{Strong Bad's head is rolling in the field, Matt makes a sound effect noise}'' This reminds me of that Easter eggs thing that I made a long time ago for Easter.

'''MIKE:''' I remember.

'''MATT:''' Where all the characters were eggs, rolling around.

'''MIKE:''' I remember that.

'''MATT:''' ''{Strong Bad's head begins hovering}'' Listen to that noise. ''{pause, then makes noise}''

'''MIKE:''' Did you make that with your mouth? Is that—

'''MATT:''' It was probably you.

'''MIKE:''' Yeah.

''{pause}''

'''MIKE:''' What do you think that is?

'''MATT:''' ''{overlapping}'' So he's got real engines in his head— Yeah, he ''has'' to make the noises with his mouth.

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughs}''

'''MATT:''' He can talk and still go ''bub-bub-bub-bub-bub-bub-bub-bub''.

'''MIKE:''' And there was some smoke coming up from, like skidding, but he was floating in air.

'''MATT:''' ''{laughs}'' Yeah.

'''MIKE:''' There's no friction. ''{pause}'' Head Bad and Strong Body.

''{pause}''

'''MATT:''' What is this—

'''MIKE:''' ''{overlapping}'' He took his advice!

'''MATT:''' Oh, Bunmaker.

'''MIKE:''' He's Homestar Bunmaker.

''{pause}''

'''MATT:''' ''{rhythmically}'' Let me hear that dinner roll!

'''MIKE:''' Homestar's got a thing with bread, right?

'''MATT:''' Yeah, totally. ''{pause until both parts have regenerated}'' Ugh.

''{pause until Head Bad laughs slightly while talking to Strong Body; Mike laughs during this pause}''

'''MIKE:''' That was ''you'' laughing there, Matt.

'''MATT:''' No!

'''MIKE:''' That wasn't Strong Bad laughing.

'''MATT:''' I kinda laughed...! Uh, I think I'm pretty funny, Mike. ''{laughing}''

'''MIKE:''' ''{laughing}'' Yeah? ''{plainly}'' Yeah. ''{pause}'' Um, so what's the Tom Saliaveri, I think is the name? That we—

'''MATT:''' Oh, the, uh, director of the horror films?

'''MIKE:''' Yeah, the special effects artist or something.

'''MATT:''' ''{overlapping}'' Oh, that's, yeah...

'''MIKE:''' And it's like, ve— I just— ''{The Paper comes down}'' ''{softly}'' Oh, is that the end?

===Fun Facts===
*Matt's mention of the "Easter eggs thing that [he] made a long time ago for Easter" refers to the unfinished toon, [[Eggs (toon)|Eggs]], which was going to be made for Easter in 2001, but was never completed. It was finally released unfinished in 2007.

==External Links==

{{sbemailextlinks|148|7364}}
{{Strong Bad Email}}
[[Category: Emails With DVD Commentary]]

Dangeresque 3: The Criminal Projective Responses (Strongborneo)

Timmodonuts — Sat, 30 May 2020 13:43:16 GMT

Timmodonuts: spelling

[[Image:Dangeresque Jungle.PNG|thumb|"NOW we are out of the boat."]]

[[Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People]] has many responses when you talk to various characters and interact with various objects. These are the responses from [[Strong Badia|StrongBorneo]] in [[Dangeresque 3: The Criminal Projective]].

{{SBCG4AP Responses notation legend}}

==Strong Borneo==
===On first arrival===
:''{Establishing shot through the... uh, jungles of Strong Borneo, and zooms in to Dangeresque and Renaldo sitting in the Riverquest Safariventure box.}''
:'''DANGERESQUE:''' So here we are, braving the rapids of this turbulent river deep in the heart of the jungle. Gangs of angry street piranhas circle beneath us! Cannibals and volcanoes close in from all sides! And behind us, just out of view, is the three-hundred-foot jaggedy waterfall from which we just safely dropped.
:'''RENALDO:''' Boy, am I glad you beat up that weightlifter ex-Navy-SEAL we had for a guide and decided to captain this boat yourself! Your quick thinking and superior skills are the only reason we survived.
:'''DANGERESQUE:''' True, but we aren't out of the boat yet. ''{Jumps out of the boat}'' Now we are out of the boat. ''{Jump cut. Dangeresque is suddenly holding a map, and standing further forward.}'' Okay, according to this map, the formula should be around here somewhere. Look around, Renaldo, but don't touch anything!

===In extended play===
:'''ON-SCREEN CAPTION:''' Set Tours: Strong Borneo
:'''STRONG BAD:''' Check this out! This place USED to be Strong Badia until we gave it a total jungle makeover! Let's have a look around.

===Bearshark===
:'''DANGERESQUE:''' Okay, you prehistoric hunk of advanced technology, prepare to become extinct and obsolete respectively! Wait, how do you kill one of these things?

'''In extended play'''
:'''STRONG BAD:''' A bear holding a shark is more than just a great action movie star. That thing's got "romcom" written all over it! ''{Movie-promoter voice}'' "In a shark-eat-bear world, they said their love would never last. But this holiday season, one bear holding one shark will face the odds, together!"

====Diet Cola → Bearshark====
:'''DANGERESQUE:''' I'm not putting cola on it and waiting for it to rust! I need a more immediate and preferably violent solution!

====Nunchuck Gun → Bearshark====
:'''DANGERESQUE:''' ''{Aims the nunchuck gun}'' Uh-oh, jammed! Good thing there are two sides to every gun!
:''{Swinging the nunchucks, Dangeresque jumps on Renaldo's head, then onto the bear holding a shark. The bear falls to the ground with Dangeresque on top, flailing at it with his nunchucks.}''
:'''DANGERESQUE:''' Take that! And this! Oh, was that your liver? Well here's my fist! ''{Dangeresque flies into the air}'' And a boot to the head! And one for Jenny and the wimp! ''{Jumps back over the fence}''
:'''RENALDO:''' What happened to the monster?
:'''DANGERESQUE:''' ''{Dramatic pose}'' He's history. ''{Normally}'' ... And biology. And a little metal shop. Did you get the formula?
:'''RENALDO:''' ''{Straightens up and holds out a handful of blue dust.}'' Oh no! I must have grabbed it too hard! It's turned to dust!
:'''DANGERESQUE:''' ''{Reproachfully}'' Renaldo!
:'''RENALDO:''' Not to worry! I know someone who can help, but you're not gonna like it.
:'''DANGERESQUE:''' You don't mean...
:'''RENALDO:''' That's right! Deranged rocket scientist Professor Experimento!
:'''DANGERESQUE:''' How could I forget? That whack-job got me kicked out of the space program back in '83!
:'''RENALDO:''' Well, he's made a lot of scientific-ish advances in formula reproduction! He can probably recreate Cutesy Buttons' rainforest formula if you bring him some of this powdery goop!
:''{Dangeresque puts away the nunchuck gun and takes the powder. A jump cut, and Dangeresque and Renaldo are again at opposite ends of Strong Badia.}''

====Clicking on any other object in the scene====
:'''DANGERESQUE:''' No time for that! I've gotta help Renaldo!

===Hole===
:'''First time only'''
:'''DANGERESQUE:''' Hmmm, I think I see something. ''{Goes for the hole, but can't fit his hand}'' I can't quite reach it.
:'''RENALDO:''' Let me try! My arms are longer and stickier! ''{Reaches into the hole}''
:'''DANGERESQUE:''' No wait, it's a trap!
:''{The bear holding a shark pops up from behind the fence.}''
:'''DANGERESQUE:''' ''{As the bear holding a shark}'' Rawwr! Grrraawwll! Screeech! Rooeeooorr!
:'''STRONG BAD:''' Look out, Renaldo! It's a Western Lowland Grizzlysharkasaurusbot! And it's holding a shark!
:'''RENALDO:''' ''{Attempting to pull his hand out of the hole}'' Help! I'm trapped!
:{{short hr}}
:'''DANGERESQUE:''' I've already got what's left of the formula. No need to be sticking my glove where it doesn't belong.

'''In extended play'''
:'''First time only'''
:'''STRONG BAD:''' Man, we really abused Strong Badia's regal fence. Somebody's gonna have to get this thing cleaned back up!
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' ''{Walking up, singing}'' Doo, doo, doo ''{Speaking}'' Oh, hi, Strong Bad.
:'''STRONG BAD:''' Hey Homestar, I'll give you a quarter to paint this fence!
:'''HOMESTAR RUNNER:''' A whole quarter? I've always wanted a lucky quarter of my own. I hear they taste like butterscotch mini-burgers! I gotta get some paint from Bubs'! See ya in a while!
:'''STRONG BAD:''' Well, THAT was easy.
:{{short hr}}
:'''DANGERESQUE:''' I've already got what's left of the formula. No need to be sticking my glove where it doesn't belong.

===Metal Detector===
:'''DANGERESQUE:''' ''{digs up a bullet and reads the writing on it}'' "Property of... Baron Darin Diamonocle. If found please return to Brainblow State Prison. Meet me in the back by the rusty fence." That sounds like a really bad idea. ''{puts the bullet away}'' Man, that guy can write really small! I guess that's what he uses that monocle for.

===Plants===
:'''DANGERESQUE:''' The jungles of Strong Borneo have many poisonous and man-eating plants. I'd better keep my distance.

'''In extended play'''
:'''STRONG BAD:''' These plants? All fake! That's right, The Cheat and I spent like three days spray-painting garbage bags stuffed with my brother's old gym clothes! They also did a great job of re-creating that humid, musty jungle scent!

====Knife → Plants====
:'''DANGERESQUE:''' Hey, there is something stashed back behind these jungle leaves. ''{Finds a manual page}'' It's a missing page from the Rocket Operations Manual featuring a complete map of space! Unfortunately, this one is out of date. We now know that aliens aren't blue.
'''After finding the manual page'''
:'''DANGERESQUE:''' ''{hacks away once}'' It's no use, this jungle foilage ''{pronounced as foil-age}'' is just too thick!

===Renaldo===
:'''At the start of the scene'''
::'''DANGERESQUE:''' Any luck finding that formula?
::'''RENALDO:''' Not yet!

:'''While under attack by the bear holding a shark'''
::'''DANGERESQUE:''' How ya doin' down there, Renaldo?
::'''RENALDO:''' Well, I gotta tell you: I'd be much more relaxed if you'd do something about that thing that's about to chew off my face!
::'''DANGERESQUE:''' Oh yeah.

:'''After the bear-shark attack'''
::'''DANGERESQUE:''' How are you feeling, Renaldo?
::'''RENALDO:''' Better now that you took care of that bearzo-sharko-robo-sarus-bot-amajig!
::'''DANGERESQUE:''' ''{Dramatic close-up}'' It's what I do.

====Nunchuck Gun → Renaldo====
:'''DANGERESQUE:''' FREEZE!
:'''RENALDO:''' Aaahhhgghh!
:'''DANGERESQUE:''' Hahaha. I never get tired of that.

===Riverboat===
:'''DANGERESQUE:''' There's no way this old Riverquest boat is gonna make it back up that waterfall. I'd better leave it here.

'''In extended play'''
:'''STRONG BAD:''' At first, we were gonna film this whole scene in some rocky cave, but then I remembered that I had this old boat lying around! I was like, "what if this part took place in Strong Badia a la the Riverquest Safariventure from the "theme park" e-mail? I could dress up my cardboard box boat a little more, have the running hose be the river, have some crappy palm trees painted on the fence, and possibly encounter some headhunters or a bear holding a shark!" After that, everything else just fell into place!

===Stop Sign===
:'''DANGERESQUE:''' Clearly this is meant to scare people off. But for Dangeresque, it's just an invitation to get to the bottom of what's behind this sign.

====Diet Cola → Stop Sign====
:'''DANGERESQUE:''' I'm not putting cola on it and waiting for it to rust! I need a more immediate and preferably violent solution!

====Nunchuck Gun → Stop Sign====
:'''DANGERESQUE:''' ''{Aims the gun at the sign}'' Ptow! ''{The sign falls off the fence, revealing a hole}'' Ah-ha! A secret area for stashing valuable items, like, say for example, oh, I dunno... the rainforest formula!

===Wet Area===
:'''DANGERESQUE:''' Quicksand! This place is full of deadly pitfalls! Watch your step!

'''In extended play'''
:'''STRONG BAD:''' Originally, I didn't plan to have quicksand in this scene, but when Coach Z got his boot stuck in the mud, I was like, "that's genius!"
:'''COACH Z:''' Can I get my boot back now?
:'''STRONG BAD:''' Sorry. That's part of movie history now.

====Any item → Wet Area====
:'''DANGERESQUE:''' That's quicksand, man! I'm not sticking any of my stuff in there!

{{SBCG4AP}}

[[Category:Video Game Responses]]

Dangeresque (film series)

Timmodonuts — Tue, 28 Apr 2020 13:32:55 GMT

Timmodonuts: tiny grammar update

{{about|film series}} {{for-nothe|other uses of the word "Dangeresque"|Dangeresque}}

[[Image:sbemail80.png|thumb|Dangeresque and Renaldo]]

'''''Dangeresque''''' is a pseudo-trilogy of amateur movies made by Strong Bad. It originates in the email [[stunt double]], where Strong Bad was asked if he did all his own stunts. He says he does, and shows his new film ''Dangeresque II: This Time, It's Not Dangeresque 1'' as proof.

The Dangeresque films are shot with [[The Cheat]]'s video [[camera]], then very sloppily edited together. Strong Bad plays [[Dangeresque (character)|Dangeresque]], a wisecracking action hero who fights both "the law" and "the crime" with the help of Renaldo, played by Coach Z. The other main characters play small parts in the films, and Strong Sad is not-so-subtly edited in as a stunt double for any character that might get hit in the head or take a painful fall, despite Strong Bad's claims that he does all the stunts himself. Dangeresque's method of crime fighting is patent nonsense, but the timely delivery of catch phrases like "Looks like I'm gonna have to jump!" always makes the [[Strong Bad's Ladies|ladies]] smile.

==Plot==
In the prequel, Dr. Experimento gets Dangeresque kicked out of the space program. In the first movie, the plot revolves around Dangeresque meeting Dangeresque Too, who helps him get a serum of some sort to Cutesy Buttons to keep her from getting kidnapped, while battling the evil Perducci. In the second film, Dangeresque battles for an important tape and comes upon Baron Darin Diamonocle played by Bubs, who must be working with the character played by Strong Mad in Dangeresque II in keeping the tape from Dangeresque. In the third movie, Renaldo is about to retire when the case to get the formula to restore Cutesy Buttons's rainforest evolves into a large adventure climaxing into a confrontation with Uzi Bazooka and Craig. Of course, Strong Sad is called upon in all movies to do the painful stunts.

==Known Films==

[[Image:Dangeresque PEOI.png|thumb|right|"So I'm gonna have to—"]]
*'''''Dangeresque 0: The Prequel Begins'''''
:Mentioned by Renaldo in ''The Criminal Projective''.
*'''''Dangeresque 1: Dangeresque, Too?''''' — Not in 3D
:Featured in [[dangeresque 3]] as a "digitally remastered" director's cut.
*'''''Dangeresque II: This Time, It's Not Dangeresque 1'''''
:Featured in [[stunt double]]
*'''''Dangeresque 3: The Criminal Projective''''' — in 3D!
:Featured in [[Dangeresque 3: The Criminal Projective|the fourth episode]] of [[Strong Bad's Cool Game for Attractive People]].
*'''''Dangeresque: Put Em on Ice!'''''
:Featured in [[rock opera#Easter Eggs|rock opera]] (Easter egg)
*'''''Dangeresque: Puppet Squad - The Curly Fried Caper'''''
:Featured in [[Dangeresque: Puppet Squad]]
*'''''[[Dangeresque: THREE in 3D]]
:Featured on the [[SBCG4AP Collector's DVD]]
*'''''Dangeresque 4 ÷ 2 = 6'''''
:Featured in [[sbemail206]] as an [[April Fools']] joke

*'''''Dangeresque: Puppet Squad - The Hot Jones Hi-Jack'''''
:Featured in [[Decemberween Dangeresque]]

==Cast==
:''Main article: [[Characters#Dangeresque|Characters]]''

*[[Dangeresque (character)|Dangeresque]] — [[Strong Bad]]
*[[Renaldo]] — [[Coach Z]]
*[[Cutesy Buttons]] — [[Marzipan]]
*[[Baron Darin Diamonocle]] — [[Bubs]]
*[[Dangeresque Too]] — [[Homestar Runner]]
*[[Perducci]] — [[The King of Town]]
*[[Istanbul]] — [[The Cheat]]
*[[Hot Tub]] — [[Strong Sad]] (credited as "[[Dump|El Dumpo]]")
*[[Killingyouguy]] — [[Strong Mad]] (credited as "himself")
*[[Szechuan Steve]] — [[The Cheat]]
*[[The Stunt Double]] — [[Strong Sad]] (Uncredited)
*[[Professor Experimento]] — [[Pom Pom]]
*[[Dadgeresque]] — [[Senor Cardgage]]
*[[Uzi Bazooka]] — [[Homestar Runner]]
*[[Sultry Buttons]] — [[Marzipan]]
*[[Craig]] — [[The Cheat]]
*[[The Monster]] — [[Strong Sad]]
*[[The Informant]] — [[Strong Sad]]
*[[Kidnapping Victim]] — [[The Poopsmith]]
*[[Stingy Relenque]] — [[Homestar Runner]]
*[[The Chief]]
*[[Kowalski]] (mentioned)

===Cheat Commandos featured in crossover===
*[[Firebert]]
*[[Gunhaver]]
*[[Crackotage]]
*[[Fightgar]]
*[[Reynold]]
*[[Silent Rip]] (voice only)

==Music==

Since nothing says vintage cop shows like a funky groove, Dangeresque employs a [[Wikipedia:Theme from Shaft|Shaft]]-style anthem in "[[The theme from DANGERESQUE II: This time, it's not Dangeresque I|The Theme from ''Dangeresque II'']]." The end credits of ''Dangeresque 1'' and "Dangeresque 3" have a softer, 1980s buddy movie feel with "[[Today is Alright 4 2Nite]]." The underlying score of the films themselves are short, sparse, rather campy interludes between scenes sung by Strong Bad.

==Fun Facts==

[[Image:D3poster.PNG|thumb|We'll see... [[Dangeresque 3: The Criminal Projective|Just you wait...]]]]

*Dangeresque's cool glasses are illustrated in the liner notes of the [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits|Strong Bad Sings CD]]. Strong Bad himself is obviously the illustrator, since he does not fail to remember the hatching (see [[suntan]]).
*[[The Brothers Chaps]] had originally named the series [[stunt_double#Commentary_Transcript|Danger Man]]. However, they changed the name to Dangeresque after learning that the name had already been used as the title of the [[IMDB:tt0053496|1960s precursor]] to classic British Television series [[Wikipedia:The Prisoner|The Prisoner]], starring [[IMDB:nm0001526|Patrick McGoohan]].
*Dangeresque is probably based on the attraction [http://disneyworld.disney.go.com/wdw/parks/attractionDetail?id=SoundsDangerousStarringDrewCareyAttractionPage&bhcp=1 Sounds Dangerous] starring Drew Carey at Walt Disney World's Disney-MGM Studios. In Sounds Dangerous, [[Wikipedia: Drew Carey|Drew Carey]] portrays an undercover cop, and faces a villain named Lefty Moreno, who is disguised as a circus performer, The Great Rinaldi.
* In the email [[the movies]], it is said that Dangeresque 3 will come out "We'll See...". It also shows 4 crossed out dates. "Now Playing" is written above the poster. Within the same email, Strong Sad, while in the theater, lists every movie that every actor in the film was in. When Strong Bad tells him to shut up, Strong Sad says "He was in Dangeresque 1 and 2!"
* When Strong Bad is interviewed in [[DNA Evidence]], he acts in character and costume as Dangeresque, and the Dangeresque theme often plays in the background. The "Looks like I'm gonna have to jump!" catchphrase also makes an appearance.
*The Genesis version of [[Wikipedia: Lufia & the Fortress of Doom|Lufia and the Fortress of Doom]], which was eventually cancelled, had a similar ad campaign to Dangeresque 3.
*[[Homsar]] is the only main character not to have any role in the movies.
{{Dangeresque}}
[[Category: Dangeresque]]
[[Category:Strong Bad Email Spin-offs]]

Talk:Paper Towels

Timmodonuts — Sat, 28 Mar 2020 14:42:38 GMT

Timmodonuts: keep, no merge

==Merge with [[Towels]]?==

Paper towels are a variant of towels that serve roughly the same purpose. So far, the only reason I have found not to have paper towels on the [[Towels]] page is because [[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] didn't want them there when he first created the page ten years ago. I don't see a problem with having them on the same page, and I've drawn it up in the Sandbox twice (most recently {{p|l={{FULLURL:HRWiki:Sandbox&oldid=789981}} here}}). What does everyone else think? And I wonder why DG didn't want paper towels on that page originally. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 03:51, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

:Because despite the name, paper towels and regular cloth towels aren't really the same thing. If the title of the article was Disposable Paper Wipes, no one would consider them similar to towels other than being used for drying. -- [[Special:Contributions/68.37.43.131|68.37.43.131]] 03:58, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
:::I agree with my fellow annony -[[Special:Contributions/50.234.189.37|50.234.189.37]] 04:48, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
::(edit conflict'd) Wait, so paper plates aren't really the same thing as china plates? Because one is disposable, no one would consider them similar other than being used for eating off of? That's not how it works. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 04:52, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
:::Okay. Next time Damp Towel Man comes to your house to take your bath towels, I'll give you a roll of paper towels to dry and cover yourself after a shower. And the next time you have to clean the tile grout in your shower, I'll get Damp Towel Man to use your bath towel. Good luck. -- [[Special:Contributions/68.37.43.131|68.37.43.131]] 12:40, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
::::Knights never claimed that cloth towels and paper towels serve the ''exact same'' purpose, and it's not something we need to bicker about. The question is whether they should be on separate pages. The reason I see in favor of that is that cloth towels have a specific joke/association in the series (Coach Z's questionable practices) that paper towels do not. However, if we're set on keeping them separate, I'm personally not convinced that paper towels need a page at all. They have five to ten appearances, but of those, I would describe maybe one or two as "of at least moderate importance to the work". Paper towels are a common item and they're used in pretty common ways. I see the proposed merge as a way to keep the work on this page without having an extraneous page on a very minor object. I do agree with Knights that towels and paper towels have a lot in common. That's why they're both called towels. {{User:Lira/sig}} 15:59, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
:::::I disagree with the merge and I think Lira may have missed anonny's point about Towels and paper towels: even though they share a name, they don't share a use. Plates and paper plates are used for pretty much the same thing (except that you can make cutout masks out of paper plates). However the uses of towels and paper towels have become so distinct that they are considered to be different kinds of things. Even to me it just doesn't seem appropriate that they be piled together into one page.
:::::I understand your second point about there not being enough "unique" instances of paper towels showing up but a merge is not the way to resolve that question. I think this is more of a "should the page be deleted" kind of question and probably warrants another discussion. Are the entries listed valid, and if not, are two entries enough to keep the page. I think that's where that discussion should begin. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:33, 27 March 2020 (UTC)
::::::I agree with Stux, either you keep it or trash it, but merging is not the answer. While it's not a spectacularly-specific item to the H*R universe, there are enough instances that we keep, and paper towels are different enough from towels that no merge is necessary. {{User:Timmodonuts/sig}} 14:42, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Talk:mini-golf

Timmodonuts — Tue, 10 Mar 2020 21:38:20 GMT

Timmodonuts: /* Kirby's Dream Course */

== DVD commentary ==
Whew, doing that commentary took a lot more work then I thought! It's my first one, and I'm sure I did something wrong as it doesn't look quite right. Also, the parts where they talk about "Mountasia" and the people who worked there was totally over my head; I'm sure that should be another reference or something but I don't have a clue what they were talking about. And finally, is there an Inside Reference for when The TBC talk about the wiki? They seem to do it a lot, in other commentaries as well, if there isn't one. Basically, I could just use someone who knows what they're doing to look over it, and make any minor adjustments where I've done something wrong. Thanks for the help. [[User:TheTylor|TheTylor]] 19:00, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

== We don't have filmographies where ''I'' come from, rumble...==

Just as a clarification: If a picture of a established character appears in a cartoon (such as [[Homsar]] in [[Ever and More!]] or [[Rumble Red]] in mini-golf), they shouldn't be added to the filmography, just mentioned either in the transcript or Remarks as appropriate? We are only counting if they are "physically" there or not, right? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 14:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
:Right. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:51, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

== Flavored water ==

the recent change i made has be deleted. your reason for doing so was " is "both" a reference, or just a remark?"

i had it under trivia. {{unsigned|Clergyman|}}
:The way he says "both" does not really sound like "flavored water" from [[rough copy]], so it's not a reference nor is it remarkable. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:57, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

==Monster Man?==
I think Homsar says "Monster Myers" not "Monster Man".
: I pretty distinctly hear "Monster Man". Homsar just puts unnecessary dipthongs in his speech, along with all of his other weird speech patterns. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:12, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I hear Monster ma-yan, which is just monster man. Okay.-That same guy that originally asked this
:I heard Monster may-an. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 22:23, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
::Um... Call me crazy, but I keep hearing [[Wikipedia:The Munsters|Munster]] Man.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 01:38, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:::I second that. {{User:Einstein runner/sig}} 03:55, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
::::I transcribed the easter egg and I also think it sounds a ''little'' more like Munster man. Nevertheless, "monster man" makes a bit more sense in context (to the extent than anything Homsar says makes sense in context). I won't complain if anyone opts for "Munster" instead.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:49, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Is it remark-worthy that Homsar's utterance is quite sensible, but the Drive-Thru Whale's statement preceding it ("Pave your brown") is a clear example of a word salad? [[User:Catgirl|Catgirl]] 01:39, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:Probably should be mentioned in that research article we got going on Homsar's speech pattern, but I dunno if a remark is warranted here, cat<s>man</s>girl, as it's not the first time we can understand Homsar.
:And for the record, I hear "Munster May-an." (Barakku don't wanna login) --[[User:65.103.58.163|65.103.58.163]] 07:17, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

== power of 10 ==

10^10 would equal 10,000,000,000 and Homestar's birdie would be 9,999,999,999 putts. Worth a mention??
:Probably not. The terms are already explained on the page, and the par of 1010 is on the [[Sweet Puttin' Cakes]] page. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 16:42, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

== Kosmik/Cosmic Bowling ==

"Kosmik (or Cosmic) Bowling is a promotion where fluorescent pins, black lights, and loud music are used on the lanes. "
is this really a widespread name? I've heard blacklight bowling be called 4 or 5 different names. I think this is probably what they call it at one particular bowling alley that the guy who added this went to -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 17:33, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
:Looking at the Wikipedia page for [[Wikipedia:Bowling|bowling]], Cosmic bowling is indeed one of many names for the same promotion, including Xtreme bowling. I think, however, that it is common enough that it is not limited to just one bowling alley. I've heard it called "Cosmic bowling" at some of the lanes locally, for example. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 17:38, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
: Should it be a real world reference or an explainaton? [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 03:35, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
There's a bowling game for either N64 or PS1 (I forget which) which has a Cosmic Bowling option. I'm fairly sure of the name. User:Zoom/sig 23:37, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
:I have that game, Brunswick something-or-other for PS1. It is Cosmic Bowling there. --[[User:Bishop|Bishop]] 00:25, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

== Homsar's Hat ==

Is it worth noting that Homsar's hat left his head without coming back again? It just happened last time in [[the paper]], where it was noted in the Trivia section. [[User:Pdkauffmann|Pdkauffmann]] 18:53, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
:In origins and the paper, it landed on someone else. This is the first time that it just vanished. Mayhaps the strange laws of physics in Sweet Puttin' Cakes interfere with Homsars own strange laws of physics. But anyway, isn't his hat flying off his head the kind of thing that gets mentioned in the transcript?--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 21:48, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

== No back button? ==

Is it on purpose that there is no "back" button at the end of this sbemail?
:I doubt it, as it has only just been released. Also, please sign your posts using for tildes (~). [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 22:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
:There is no escaping the Sweet Puttin' Cakes email. You just have to will yourself back to the sbemail nav page.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:51, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
::lol! nice!--[[User:72.172.198.130|72.172.198.130]] 18:59, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

== Speaking backwards ==

It's cute and all to write Strong Bad's backwards speech reversed letter for letter in the transcript, but it doesn't really do any good. Anyone actually reading the transcript would probably be confused and have to figure it out, which is not something we should aim for. On top of that, it's not accurate just to write the letters backwards, because you wouldn't actually pronounce the phrase that way. When watching the toon, the impression you get as you hear Strong Bad speak is, "hmm, he's speaking backwards", but you can't tell what he's saying unless you edit the sound later. Thus, "''{speaking backwards}''" should be sufficient to get the point across. Note that we ''do'' decode what he says in the Trivia section. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:But we wrote Strong Bad's backwards talking siht ekil on [[rock opera|this page]]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 01:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
::True, but it's my position that it should be changed as well. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:53, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Just carried out your suggestion, IDC. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:22, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
::::If we are to do this here, then we should do it for the subtitles of [[Jibbles 2]]...{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 12:56, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
:::::Calls for relentless changing of [[looking old]] and '''subtitles''' for said SBEmail because it's come to pass. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 23:25, 27 October 2008 (UTC)
::::::'''Done.''' Relentlessly changed. --[[User:Addict 2006|Addict]] [[User talk:Addict 2006|2006]] 23:28, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

==Putt-Putt==

Is putt-putt an explaination or a real world reference? [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 03:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:Putt-putt is a name for mini golf. The "golf-golf" bit is a reference to "putt-putt". {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:01, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:This explaination is very poorly worded. Putt-Putt is a chan of mini-golf establishments and is more of a "brand" of mini-golf than it is a different name for it. This is much like how a Kleenex is a facial tissue but not all facial tissues are Kleenex, even though they have come to be known as such. [[User:68.99.55.96|68.99.55.96]] 12:43, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

==I Was Just Wondering If...==
It seems to me like there are enough mentions of this phrase (I was just wondering if...) to constitute its own page
:Dear 75.30.148.60, I was just wondering if you're going to [[HRWiki:Standards#Be_bold.2C_but_know_when_not_to_be|do-sum-bow-dat]], or if you expect anyone to do it at all? [[User:68.124.65.8|68.124.65.8]] 17:21, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
::That phrase is very common in the real world. It's not notable enough for an article.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 20:49, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

== New Music? ==

Is it worth noting that this sbemail has a new track for the background music of the "sweet cuppin' cakes" universe? mostly irrelevant, but I love how atmospheric and ambient the music sounds. -The_Fifth_Grade
:I noticed it and thought it was awesome. I think it should be noted. If not here, then on the [[Sweet Puttin' Cakes]] page. Something like "The music in Sweet Puttin' Cakes is slightly diffrent than the music that plays in other Sweet Cuppin Cakes toons. There are a few more synth pad (or somethin') tracks, and the main melody is thinned out a little.(or somethin')"--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 05:29, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

== Fork of a Pork? ==

Coach Z's line, currently transcribed as "Fork of a Pork", doesn't sound like fork of a pork, in fact when slowed down and analysed, the first syllable is clearly "G" and not "F".
It sounds more like "Gorkafabork". I don't think it was supposed to be intelligible.
Slow it down and listen to it; you'll see what i mean

It sounds like goraforpork to me... [[User:CloneWarrior|CloneWarrior]] 18:56, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

:I hear "Pork '''up''' a fork". DUnno what it means, but... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

::I don't think he's saying actual words, just standard Coach Z gibberish. I'm not sure what the best way to transcribe it would be, but I definitaly think it should not be real words. Fork of a pork just sounds dumb.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 00:06, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Well so does "I guess I forgot to port!" {{User:Techgeekmbg/sig}} 22:02, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

::::"Fork of a pork" sounds right to me. And "fork" fits better than "pork" or "gork" on the first word, given the word it's based on. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:30, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::How do you slow it down? (From somone that is kanjiro, but is too lazy to log in)
::::::If you're using Windas, the easy way is to go to properties in the volume control and have it show recording volume, then select Stereo Mixer. then just record using Sound Recorder, which has a handy dandy Reduce Speed feature. And it does make it clear the first letter is G. I think it would be best transcribed as "gork-a-for-pork" (with the hyphens to better convey it's total gibberish)--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 01:44, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::::1. That is not me. 2. The real Kanjiro uses a mac. 3. How do u do it for a mac? --{{User:Kanjiro/sig}} 01:56, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
::::::::No clue. Too poor for a Mac.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 02:01, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
Audacity is a good freeware application for Mac that can slow it down. {{User:Techgeekmbg/sig}} 03:15, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::Thanks to TBC, we now know it is "Gorka fa pork". --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 19:15, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

== Easter Eggs ==

Could we possibly add in more of an explanation for the score card easter eggs, or some pictures? [[User:CloneWarrior|CloneWarrior]] 18:47, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:Or possibly some of those people who are good with tables and manipulation making a visual text version (like the things on [[Edgar]] and similar)? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:04, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

== Tap, tap ==

The sound effect of Keyboard Strong Bad tapping Strong Bad on the shoulder is from the same Casio VL-Tone keyboard that the demo music is from. Specifically, the VL-Tone had one programmable sound called "ASDR" (attack/sustain/decay/release) that could be edited by storing 8-digit numbers in the memory when the unit was in "calculator" mode. If no number was stored in the memory, the ASDR sound was a short "blip," which is heard here. I'm not sure if any part of this is intersting enough for the article, though! [[User:Wear a Bikini|Wear a Bikini]] 19:57, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:I'd like to point out that it's the same sound effect used for changing the background in the [[Handheld Games Menu]], but why did it have to be taken out when it was added? --[[Special:Contributions/66.82.9.100|66.82.9.100]] 15:16, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

==Goof, or intentional?==

The fact that the holes in the whale's hole are gone in the easter egg might not be a goof, it might simply be the Sweet Cuppin' Cakes physics at work. Anyone agree?
:I say goof. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
::If anything's a goof, it's that the holes were there in the first place, not that they were gone in the Easter egg. That said, it's a bit of a stretch to think TBC would accidentally put something in rather than accidentally leave something out. [[User:Wear a Bikini|Wear a Bikini]] 20:25, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
::I think the holes are intentionally there the first time, because in the Easter Egg, Strong Bad is wondering where they went. Or, at least, I interpret it that way. Maybe a vote of some kind should be introduced.--[[User:69.70.248.73|69.70.248.73]] 22:15, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:::I don't think it's nessicarily a goof or intentional. There could just be more than one drive-thru whale. The shape of the green IS diffrent in the easter egg.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 00:51, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
::::I think there's a reasonable chance this was intentional, and if there's even a reasonable chance that something is intentional, then we are obligated to list it as a remark (or in the transcript) and not as a goof. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:42, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
Maybe someone stole the holes. Anything can happen in a universe with different laws of physics. {{User:Zoom/sig}} 23:53, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
:The Worm moved them. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:16, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

== Style difference ==

If you look at the scene with both Strong Bad and Keyboard Strong Bad, Keyboard Strong Bad is still drawn in an older style compared to Strong Bad.

[[User:???|-???]] 23:09, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

:Yep, always has been. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

== Pour gravel on your stump please, ma'am ==

In this email, the drive-through whale says "Pour gravel on your stump please, ma'am," and the last time (in Drive-Through), he/it said: "Sever your leg please, sir." It seems as though the two are connected; after one severs one's leg, one is then asked to pour gravel on the stump. Worth a mention? -[[User:Almsfothepudgy|Almsfothepudgy]] 09:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

No.

Seems worth it to me. [[User:Catgirl|Catgirl]] 01:25, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Second -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 22:35, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I disagree on the grounds that, while the connection is there, it's mere speculation, and would get quickly removed as such. -{{User:YK/sig}} 02:45, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

== Everytime? ==

Not one word. Another of Strongbad's (heehee) various grammar mistakes. I'll leave it up to someone else to edit in. --[[User:4.244.36.170|4.244.36.170]] 14:49, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
:Good find! I just added it. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 15:01, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

== billion - u.s. vs. u.k. ==

Once again, something I've added was taken out 5 minutes later.

In the U.S., 109 is a billion. In the U.K., it's a thousand-million, and 1012 is a billion. The edit comment removing my addition said this is wrong. It is bloody well not.

If you're just going to erase everything that I add, why not just lock my account or something. It's not as if I am spamming or anything.

:Of course you aren't spamming and i don't think you are, but i also am pretty sure that this isn't true. If you can provide me with proof, then you can feel more than welcome to add it back in. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:27, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

:: According to [[Wikipedia:Long and short scales|Wikipedia]], the "long scale" - in which 109 is a milliard or thosand-million, and 1012 is a billion, is used in most non-English-speaking countries and has some residual use in the UK, but the "short scale", what we use in the states, is the standard even in the UK now. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:33, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

::: When one of those "residual uses" is the BBC's financial news, I'd say it's bloody significant. [[User:Nsayer|Nsayer]] 16:35, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

:::: Wikipedia says that BBC uses the short scale. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

::::: This is all beside the point. The question is whether the article would be improved by adding in the extra note. It currently reads, "1010 = 10,000,000,000, or 10 billion." Given that the numeral itself is listed and the fact that people in the U.K. are (or should be) used to interpreting "billion" as it applies in American contexts, then I see no real reason to list the other meaning when it doesn't really apply to the toon. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:51, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

:::::: The change made by Nsayer wasn't worded the best. The whole US vs. UK thing is a bit hostile, but if there is a significant number of people who use long scale, what could it hurt to just tack "(or 10 thousand-million in [[Wikipedia:Long and short scales|long scale]])" at the end? Or maybe just remove the word billion altogether.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 23:57, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I feel "billion" used in an American cartoon would naturally be interpreted in the American method. If someone sees a conflict between 1,000,000,000 and "billion" then they are obviously using the old method. Perhaps "1010 = 10,000,000,000, or 10 [[Wikipedia:Billion|billion]]." {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:39, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

:Thousand-million is a term in the UK? {{User:Salty/sig}} 23:30, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

==What are we, in the 50s?!==
Do we really need to say Homestar holds up a brassiere? Nobody's said that since 1956! Can't we just say bra? Jeez.-[[User:Lappy z|Lappy z]] 21:50, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
:Dude, it's the technical term. Bra is just an abbreviation. The wiki is just trying to be more, you know, proper. No big deal. And on a side note, people ''do'' still say the whole word sometimes. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 21:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
homestar said bra so we must refer 2 it as such

==Zany Golf==
This sbemail is strongly reminiscent of a 1980's computer game called Zany Golf. It was an isometric miniature golf game featuring bizzare and surreal imagery and music. All of the holes were enormous, heavily detailed "islands" floating in a featureless, black void. I wouldn't bother considering it a reference, except for the fact that when Coach Z is playing the infinite hole (on a floating island!), the SCC music is mixed with an eerie, synthetic ''vox humana'' sound that was a major component of most of the Zany Golf music. Could this be a reference? [[User:Wear a Bikini|Wear a Bikini]] 00:54, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

==Hell-la-la-la-la-looooo Strong Bad!==
The way Strong Bad pronounces "Helllooooooo" appears to be a clear inside reference to the 2nd part of [[retirement]], where he adds "Lalalalalaa" to the end of everything he says, lalalalalaa. But I thought I'd float the idea here before adding it as an Inside Reference, and updating retirement with a Fast Forward. [[User:Catgirl|Catgirl]] 01:45, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:It did occur to me, and it was on the page, but it was later removed. I'm on the fence; it could be a coincidence, just SB mocking the extra "L" in the word, or it could be partially an intentional ref. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:53, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
::''Partially'' an intentional ref? He's just making fun of the spelling. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:27, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Usually when Strong Bad mocks spellings, he takes a very literal approach to it. This deviates markedly from the written phrase, and is made in a very theatrical (read: side-show-caller-esque) fashion. Had he not inserted some extra L's and not made such a production out of it, then I wouldn't even think of adding it as an inside ref.[[User:Catgirl|Catgirl]] 05:09, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Yeah! What she said!--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 05:11, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, intentional or not, it does sound just like what he says in retirement. It seems like the obvious way to make fun of the extra L would be to just hold the L sound longer. It doesn't make a lot of sense for him to make fun by saying "la-la-la-la-la." (Not that sense ever needs to be made.)--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 05:10, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Okay, first of all, it doesn't sound like retirement. Retirement has a "la" sound whereas this has a "luh" sound. And the last time I checked, there weren't three ''l'''s in "hello". I don't think any way to make fun of it is more obvious than any other. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:13, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::It doesn't sound EXACTLY like in retirement, but close enough to make people say "Hey! That was like what he did in retirement!" And like Catgirl said, usually Strong Bad makes fun of spelling by pronouncing it as written. It would seem he had something else in mind here, and retirement is the only thing I can think of.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 05:20, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
::::::What do you mean, exactly as written? That's what he ''does'' do here. He pronounces extra l's and a really long o, just like it was sent to him. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:29, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Well it's hard to explain by typing, but normally when you see "LLL" you say "LLL" (the normal L sound in hello, just held out three times as long). It would have had to been spelled "Helalalaloooo" for him to pronounce as written the way he did.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 05:34, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
::::::::I think you're being overly literal there. TBC probably saw the extra letters and just took it in a bit of a [[1 step ahead|different direction]], as they often do. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::I guess it's another example of me vs. [[User talk:Johnny Jupiter#Strictly Encyclopedic|strictly encyclopedic]]. One of these days, I'ma get my shot to [[Cool Things|stick it to the man]].--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 05:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:Dot com: I think you misread what I typed. I said I was not ''sure'' if it was partially an intentional reference or not - of '''course''' he was making fun of the spelling. That said, he DID throw a few more Ls than the three that the emailer put in. "Hellalaloooooo" would have been accurate(ish) and not sounded like his [[retirement]] calling. I don't think it's certain, but it feels like you just came to the conclusion that it's not and won't read the rest. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:14, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
::I was just commenting on the wording. I'm assuming you mean that it's partially a reference and partially a new joke, not partially intentional and partially accidental, because something like this is typically either intentional or it's not. After listening to both clips back to back, my contention is that they're really not that similar. Yes, one is reminiscent of the other, kinda sorta. Yes, SB says more luhs than there are l's, but he is often prone to exaggeration. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 07:34, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Okay, I can see that argument. I meant partially an intentional reference, in that it would be, if it's the case, half a joke on the misspelling. Sorry for any misunderstanding. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:14, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
But he also uses it when he pronounces a sbemailer's name, John Katulla (Katulalalala!) I say it's a reference. -- [[User:TaranchulaVamp15|Taranch Vamp]] 9:14, 20 March 2008

== Worms chasing each other -- Teen Titans reference? ==
The scene with the two worms chasing each other is very similar to a scene in the episode "Titan Rising" from season two of the animated series Teen Titans, in which three giant robotic worms attach lengthwise to each other and spin in the same fashion over Titans Tower. So similar, in fact, that I find it unlikely it's just a coincidence. Before I go add it to the Outside References section, though, does anyone else think this is worth mentioning?--[[User:ChurchPunk|ChurchPunk]] 3:13 AM, August 16, 2007 (EST)
:Being quite a fan of ''Teen Titans'' in general, and season 2 especially, I don't think so. I don't really see the resemblance.
:For anyone curious, [http://teentitans.toonzone.net/tt/reviews/titanrising/12.jpg here is a picture of the robo-worm individually], and [http://teentitans.toonzone.net/tt/reviews/titanrising/22.jpg here they are circling]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 08:10, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
::Umm, i get 403'D when i try to view those... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 13:41, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Weird, I get 404'd...Does Toon Zone exist anymore? {{User:Mee/sig}} 13:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
::::<blockquote>
::::<big>'''Forbidden'''</big> 
::::You don't have permission to access /tt/reviews/titanrising/12.jpg on this server. 
::::Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.</blockquote>
::::This is what I see. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 13:57, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::Same with me. Did you check on the URL before you posted the link, or can ''you'' visit the page without being 404'd, Dorian? {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 14:22, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
: Regardless of the picture, I would say that the worms from TT and The Worm biting it's own tail are both references to Ouroboros, which is already covered in the article. It would be like adding the fact that "a snake biting its tail from the other side" is a line from "I Palindrome I" by They Might Be Giants. They are all coming from a common point, so are tangental at best. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 14:40, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
::They worked the first time. You can also trick it by copying the URLs, not clicking the links. The pictures are fine, the site is fine. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:15, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
:The best way i've found to get around links like that is - after you've clicked it, drag the url into your google bar. it searches it and brings u to it all in one step -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 22:39, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
::Okay, got it. No. after all that i don't think it has anything to do with it. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:41, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

== Teleportation ==

When Strong Bad and The Cheat are trying to teleport back out of Sweet Puttin' Cakes, they scrunch up their faces in expressions of concentration. To me this appears exactly like [[Wikipedia:Hiro Nakamura|Hiro Nakamura]] from [[Wikipedia:Heroes (TV series)|Heroes]] when he is teleporting. However, this may just be because I've been on a Heroes binge this week, so I thought I'd see if anyone else thought the same thing, and whether it's worth mentioning in the Fun Facts. Comments? Cheers, [[User:82.0.221.164|82.0.221.164]] 22:39, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

== New Paper theory + oddity ==

New Paper came down much faster in this sbemail than in ''the paper'', and I think it should be listed under Remarks. However, I think this theory should be considered adding: The reason why New Paper comes down faster now could be that what we saw in "the paper" was N.P. actually being printed with the e-mail message, while what we see now is N.P. simply going up and down, with the message already on it. Anyone?

And Strong Bad asks N.P. if ''it'' is ever not running out of ink. Is not that a bit odd? Should not he be asking N.P. about ''its printer''..? --[[User:WP CEO|WP CEO]] 00:43, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
:The different speed of New Paper is already listed as a remark. That's an interesting theory about its already being printed, but ultimately it would just be a guess. I think the real reason it comes down faster is because, assuming they're going to keep it, it needs to enter smoothly from a dramatic standpoint. As far as the paper/printer confusion goes, the printer has always taken a back seat to the paper. We weren't even sure The Paper had a printer until its last appearance (since we didn't know whether the comic appearance in [[lady fan]] really counted). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:35, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah. They had it come down slow and noisily in [[the paper]] to give Strong Bad a chance to complain about it being slow and noisy, but they can't always have it be that annoying. They had to normalize it a little.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 02:42, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

== The Cuppin Cakes Whale? ==

Should we say this shows that the "Drive-Thru Whale" is now a part of [[Sweet Cuppin' Cakes]]? {{User:Orange_Star/sig}}
:We already did in both the Sweet Cuppin' Cakes page and the Drive-Thru Whale page, although I says it's questionable until there's another appearance.--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 19:17, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
::Actually the idea was removed from both pages for that very reason. I also think it's possible, but we just can't be sure yet. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 19:23, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Well then, should the DTW page be taken out of the SCC characters category?--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 19:34, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Yes, it should... I'll get right on that. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 19:35, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::It only appears in the email because it's a moving statue of a smiling whale. Perfect for a kah-razy mini-golf course, don't you think? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

== Mudhoney reference? ==

I believe the names on the Kosmik Bowling scorecard - Mark, Dan, Steve and Matt - reference the members of the band Mudhoney. Its members are Mark Arm, Dan Peters, Steve Turner and Matt Lukin. It could be a coincidence, but both "Sick Day" and the sbemail "Comic" contain Mudhoney references, so I think the odds are good on this one.
:Possible, since Mudhoney is one of Mike's favorite bands. But, it's a bit of stretch and would probably dismissed as [[TTATOT]] without more information or evidence. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 14:40, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
::I don't think so. 4 names is hard to come by coincidentally, especially if TBC like the band. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 14:42, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah. Would there be any arguement if the names were [[They Might Be Giants|John and John]]?--[[User:Antisexy|Antisexy]] 01:15, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

==Fork of a Pork==

Could this be a reference to the Swedish Chef? [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 20:48, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

== Day of the Tentacle ==

There's a DotT reference when the Eh!th Steve Hole is finished, I think. My edit was deleted, so I'm doing it the "right" way add a comment.

== Marathon Music at Infinite Hole ==

I'm pretty sure the music used during the Infinite Hole scene with Coach Z is taken from the game Marathon, from Bungie.

== Theme park idea? ==

Does anyone else think that the idea for this place is a reworked version of the "Sweet Cuppin' Cakes Land" idea that was scraped from [[theme park]]? - [[User:OkayGraphics|OkayGraphics]] 21:54, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

== Ouroboros ==

So I just noticed that in the commentary, TBC mention that they learned about the concept from "the wiki" which makes it clear to me that they weren't making the reference at all. The reference to ouroboros is still on the page, however. I'm not entirely sure what to do with this, but one idea that came to me is to move it to the fun facts for the DVD section and say something explaining that the fact used to be on the page or something... This is almost as bad as when Wikipedia says something with no source mentioned, then some newspaper quotes wikipedia, then wikipedia lists that paper as a source... You can make anything true now, isn't it great? But i digress. What do we do about this reference? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:32, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
:Keep it how it is. Even though TBC didn't intend to reference Ouroboros and hadn't heard of it before reading it on the article, note that the explanation says that it ''alludes'' to Ouroboros, not that it is a direct reference. It is possible to allude to something you haven't actually heard of, and when you do, it's just a hilarious coincidence! {{User:The Chort/sig}} 18:45, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
::I agree with the Chort. We list it as an explanation, not a reference. And it's clear that the worm forms an ouroboros, whether or not TBC knew the name or the phenomenon when they made it. Also, I don't think anything needs to be noted about the dvd commentary. The fact that they learned the name from the wiki article is readily evident from the commentary transcript. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.141|132.183.138.141]] 19:07, 7 May 2009 (UTC)
:::Upon re-reading, also note that he's saying something like "a snake eating itself-it has a name, I learned that from the wiki", so it's possible they were intentionally creating the image of a snake eating itself, and just did not know it had a specific name. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.141|132.183.138.141]] 19:29, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

== Kirby's Dream Course ==

I was just watching a review of Kirby's Dream Course and it reminded me of this email. Reference? [[User:Wolf O'Donnel|Wolf O'Donnel]] 06:55, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
:Is there a specific thing you see connecting the two? Kirby's Dream Course is one of my favorite games of all time, but much as I'd love there to be a reference to it here, I just don't see it. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 12:20, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
::The fact that Dream Course is so weird? [[User:Wolf O'Donnel|Wolf O'Donnel]] 17:24, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
::: Just because something is weird does not mean Homestar Runner refers to it. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:28, 9 March 2020 (UTC)
::::I think Wolf O'Donnel is just pranking us, it's been an elaborate long-running prank gag and I applaud it {{User:Timmodonuts/sig}} 21:38, 10 March 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Crystal Fortress (song)

Timmodonuts — Sun, 08 Mar 2020 18:26:02 GMT

Timmodonuts: /**/Pending

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This article needs some cleanup. The way the lyrics are written makes it unclear who is singing at what points. Also, I'm pretty sure that's not Limozeen singing backup during Strong Bad's part. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 06:37, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
:Ok. I agree that isn't Limozeen. The screaming is done in the same style, but I'm pretty sure that is one of the John's from TMBG. I tweaked the transcript to show who is talking. I'll let someone else remove the cleanup tag if what I changed was enough. [[Special:Contributions/98.222.134.36|98.222.134.36]] 14:05, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

WOAH! I didn't even know this existed. I'm betting a majority of the Homestar Runner fanbase doesn't either. [[User:TheTylor|TheTylor]] 20:46, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
::Well, uh, you know now who's singing, so... I'm gonna take off the cleanup template. {{User:T3H_CH3K7_888/sig}} 19:29, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

== Red link ==
Is there any way to remove the redlink at the top of the page? {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 23:00, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
:Well, I figured out how to un-redlink it by [http://www.hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&oldid=673785 making brackets appear instead]. I don't think that's better. Hmm... =\ --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 23:16, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

== No Longer Needed ==
Given the new video at [[Crystal Fortress]] and the relative shortness of this page, perhaps we can simply transpose it into the article for the video, and get rid of this page altogether? I don't think there's any info here that couldn't be put over there instead. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 10:15, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
:I'm sorta surprised that this one wasn't simply moved over and made into the PbTC page. Yeah, let's '''kill''' this thing. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 22:44, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
::All this talk about 187s ... I think they're fine as separate entities, since this article covers the podcast, and the other the PBTC toon. At the very least all of the header information should be copied to the toon, and mention that this was once a podcast song should be promoted into its own section (as opposed to just an explanation). --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 05:45, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
:::I think, if we keep it, we should template the lyrics so, if we need to tweak them for whatever reason, we only need to tweak them once. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:58, 29 September 2009 (UTC)
::::'''Delete'''. After all, we don't need ''2'' transcripts of the same toon (even if one is treated as if it was on the CD, but it isn't). — {{User:Stupid Hippie/sig}} 22:28, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
::::'''Delete''' for obvious reasons. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 22:24, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
::::: Agree, delete. {{User:Broncotroll/sig}} 05:22, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

== Limozeen ==

This talk page claims that the screaming is not Limozeen, yet the TMBG wiki article says it is. Which one's correct? [[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 19:09, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
:We are, of course. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:11, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

== Pending ==

How long you gotta pend deletion? {{User:Timmodonuts/sig}} 18:26, 8 March 2020 (UTC)

User talk:Wolf O'Donnel

Timmodonuts — Fri, 06 Mar 2020 17:42:58 GMT

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Talk:Crazy Cartoon

Timmodonuts — Sun, 01 Mar 2020 21:17:12 GMT

Timmodonuts: /**/Date

== Synopsis ==

Can I change the synopsis to something like, "The Cheat creates the greatest cartoon in the whole world," cause I don't feel the current one describes the whole toon as well. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 00:02, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

== [[HRWiki:Once And Only Once|Once And Only Once]] ==

Why does this need its own page? It's just the last part of another toon. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 01:09, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

:Because it's technically its own cartoon, and merging the pages could get confusing and tedious. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 01:13, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
::See also: [[comic]] and [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 1]]. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 01:19, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
:::The pages ''were'' once merged, and it ''was'' confusing. It reads better this way. Anyways, the main concerns with OAOO (namely, keeping the two pages consistent with each other) are alleviated partly by sharing the transcript through a template, and mostly through the fact that it's an old toon, and the pages probably aren't going to change much, if at all. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 01:33, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
::::I asked them to merge comic with Teen Girl Squad Issue 1, pointing out that there were 2 versions of crazy cartoon but 1 page on the wiki. They deleted the merge template and decided splitting crazy cartoon to match comic made more sense (most likely because comic is older). [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 06:02, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

== Date ==

This page lists the date created as 2004. In the [[Toons]] page it's listed as 2003 in the Powered by the Cheat category. Which is correct? {{User:Timmodonuts/sig}} 21:17, 1 March 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Games

Timmodonuts — Sat, 29 Feb 2020 15:50:01 GMT

Timmodonuts: /* Links */

== Standard ==

Should we have a standard for games? I really don't like how the games look right now- [[Peasant's Quest]] is extremely huge and cluttered, the same with [[Stinkoman 20X6]]. Personally, I think it should go something like this:
<pre>
''{Description of game.}'' ''{Screenshot}''

== Easter Eggs ==
''{Easter Eggs}''

==Fun Facts==
===Trivia===
===Remarks===
''{Etc, etc.}''

==Walkthrough==
*You can find the walkthrough for this game at [[(Certain Game's) Walkthrough]].

==See Also==
*Anything else, such as the Stinkomanual found in Stinkoman 20X6.

==External Links==
*[Play the Game]
*[Play the Game (Flash file)]

[[Category:Games]]
</pre>
Anyone agree/disagree? →''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>''

:Agree (a little late)[[User:Ed smildE|EDSMILDE]]

== WTH? ==

Something weird just happened to me on the games menu. I don't know if anybody else has had this, but the StinkoMan fighter was mouse was on has disappeared completely! It doesn't even make the noise! Also, my chracters won't show up with the text box. I've done a few different characters and it doesn't change between levels. I mean they could've taken it done, but.. the text isn't there. I have some screenshots, but I don't know to upload them. I mean, what the h

Oh, and when I click on the fighters, nothing happens.

== Gallery? ==

Does anyone this this should be gallery'd, like [[Characters]] and [[Items]]?--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 00:21, 19 Sep 2005 (UTC)
:Why not? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:23, 19 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Just making sure it was okay. I'll start.--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 00:27, 19 Sep 2005 (UTC)

:I think it was more easy to navigate before... - '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''
::No offense, but I vote we change it back. It was much easier to be able to view all the games at a glance and not have to scroll down as much. - '''''[[User:Joshua|Joshua]]'''''
:::I vote we keep the gallery. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:14, 19 Sep 2005 (UTC)
::::I think that it is easier because then you can make sure that you don't miss any games. It also looks better--{{User:bkmlb/sig}} 02:17, 19 Sep 2005 (UTC)

And guess who was already up and saying he would do the linkes for the images? That's right, me. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 04:11, 19 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== badminton ==

Does badminton really qualify to be listed here" I mean, TBC didn't make it up, as it's very old sport. A sport. Just wondering.... {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 07:14, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)

I was just on my way to bring this up. It exists in thr "real world". Why not include Temple of Ashphai? (not a suggestion)---[[User:RatherAnnoying|RatherAnnoying]] 20:13, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

:I agree. (Tad late) {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 03:23, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

::Months late, but I think it should be deleted. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}}

==Game References==
There should be a page that documents video game references, because tons of the such is peppered all over the site (esspecially in Strong Bad emails). [[User:ThomasO|ThomasO]] 17:01, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

== Typing Tutor Turbo ==

Should Typing Tutor Turbo (The KOT's arcade game from "the bet") in the games article?
:[[Typing Tutor Turbo]] isn't already there? Sure, we can stick it in the unplayable section. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:48, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

==spin and say==
shouldn't spin and say be here?

Firstly, It's called "Who said what now?" and secondly, it's in the OLD menu. [[User:MJN SEIFER|MJN SEIFER]] 20:09, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

== Slumber Party ==

Should we mention the video games from [[slumber party]]? Clapping Party could be a toon game, and the others Blisterqeist could be a non-playable.

:I fixed it {{User:Wasd98/sig}} 22:04, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

==THIS DEMO IS JUST SITTING HERE, WITHOUT EVEN A MENTION!!!!!!!==
Has anyone noticed that there is a demo for homestar ruiner on the games page?

== sbcg4ap ==
in the sbcg4ap games why isn't gel-arhie's pro fruitboarder on there?
:There, I put it on. You can do it yourself, if you know how. {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}
I dont know how to put a picture, i thought only the admins could.

== Butcher Bros. ==

Shouldn't we include Butcher Bros. from the sketchbook?
:Done and done. But don't be afraid to do things without permission. '''Be Bold!''' {{User:StrongAwesome74/sig}} 20:07, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
::It was more a matter of laziness than shyness. [[User:Philip8o|Philip8o]] 17:47, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

== Connection to Space Fever II on GameBoy Camera ==

The menu bears a similarity to the Space Fever II menu on the GameBoy Camera mini-games. You shot different ships to go to different mini games. Just an extra bit of Trivia

== Video Vs. Board ==

This page seems to be entirely video games, rather than [[Board Games]]. I propose a rename of this page to "Video Games", and making just "Games" a disambiguation page. Thoughts? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 09:58, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
:I disagree. "[[Toons]]! Video Games! [[Characters]]! [[Downloads]]! [[Store]]! [[Email]]!". Video Games just seems out-of-place compared to the rest of the page titles, as well as overly long and needlessly specific. The website calls them Games. When most people see the word Games, they probably think of video games. Not to mention, a lot editing would be needed to rename such a significant page for such a mild reason. I'd be fine with not including board games here, and keeping it '''Games'''. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 22:58, 2 July 2018 (UTC)
::Welp, as my {{p|l=http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=Games&diff=776609&oldid=776603&rcid=739473 edit}} indicates, I believe that this page is about '''Games''' in general. And while TBC only focused on video games at first, they now have branched out into board games. Where else would the Trogdor board game go? --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 00:30, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
:::[[Board Games]]? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:33, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
::::That page seems to about fictional, in-universe board games. I don't think a real board game belongs there. I don't really see a reason why this page needs to be limited to video games. The reason it has been up until now is that TBC have only released video games until now. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 00:40, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::And this page also lists the [[Games#Non-Playable Games|fictional, in-universe video games]]. I don't see a difference in that regard. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:42, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::Because this article is more of a catch-all. It covers games in general, and I don't see a reason to change that. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 00:46, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::::To add to what Heim says: the context is also different: Board Games deals with board games played in the HR universe, while this page deals with games originating from this website (Real world). It's a lot easier to extend that to all media covered by H*R. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 00:49, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::::It doesn't though. What you two are suggesting is to have it cover all real life games, but only video in-universe games. That's not a consistent scope. If the purpose is to cover real life games, then I would think that the in-universe-only ones should be moved to a new page called "Video Games" and documented there as a parallel to [[Board Games]]. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:50, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
:::::::::Now that may not be a bad idea, having an in-universe "Video Games" page for such instances. The only thing to be careful is what to move and what to copy: i'm sure several playable games (real world) also have in-universe counterparts. Such games would belong in both pages. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 00:57, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
-
:::::::::''{to Def}'' That mightn't be a bad idea, putting purely in-universe ones in a separate place and having this page be about playable games. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 01:00, 3 July 2018 (UTC)
::::::::::Alright, seems like we've got a plan we can all be happy with. All in favor? (Aye!) All opposed? (*Chirp chirp*) Okay then! {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:11, 3 July 2018 (UTC)

== Links ==

If you've ever glanced at recent changes for half a millisecond, you probably know that I'm a sucker for internal consistency. It just bothers me when things feel random or abitrary. And that's exactly how I would describe the links at the bottom of the game pages. Here are some examples:

*play [[HR:sbcollect.html|Secret Collect]]
*play the Flash file for [[HR:atarigame2.swf|Secret Collect]]
{{short hr}}
*[[HR:stinkogame/v7/stinkogame.html|play Stinkoman 20X6]]
*[[HR:stinkogame/v7/stinkogame.swf|play the Game (Flash file)]]
{{short hr}}
* play the [[HR:sbzone.html|Game]]
* play the [[HR:sbzone02.swf|Game (Flash file)]]
{{short hr}}
*[[HR:dman3.html|play Thy Dungeonman 3]]
*[[HR:thyDungeonman3.swf|play Thy Dungeonman 3 (Flash file)]]

What should we do about this? I propose that we should make a {{t|gameextlinks}} template (similar to {{t|extlinks}} and {{t|sbemailextlinks}}) using the following format:
*[[HR:sbcollect.html|play "Secret Collect"]]
*[[HR:atarigame2.swf|play the Flash file for "Secret Collect"]]
{{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 22:10, 28 February 2020 (UTC)

:I kinda like the last of the 4 options but yes, the most important thing is to get it all consistent. thanks! {{User:Timmodonuts/sig}} 15:50, 29 February 2020 (UTC)

Contests

Timmodonuts — Fri, 21 Feb 2020 21:50:43 GMT

Timmodonuts: preposition

[[Image:jumpingjackcontest.png|thumb|Another contest in Free Country, USA]]
'''Contests''' are a favorite pastime for the people of [[Free Country, USA]]. In the earliest works of [[The Brothers Chaps]], contests were almost always a staple plot element. Through these, it was first established that [[Homestar Runner]] is a terrific athlete, [[Strong Bad]] loves to be the guy that wins all the contests, and [[The Cheat]] frequently cheats in contests. The prizes are often [[trophy|trophies]], [[Wikipedia:Blue ribbon|blue ribbons]], and [[:Category:Food and drinks|food]].{{clear}}
==List of contests==
{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 style="border-collapse:collapse"
|- bgcolor=#eeeeee
! Contest !! Appearance !! Participants !! Summary !! Winner
|-id="Strongest Man in the World Contest"
| [[Strongest Man in the World Contest]] || [[Original Book]], [[Strongest Man in the World]] || [[Mr. Bland]], [[The Robot (storybook)|The Robot]], [[Señor]], [[Pom Pom]], [[Strong Bad]], [[Homestar Runner]] || Whoever holds the most grapes, wins. || [[Pom Pom]] (shared the trophy with [[Homestar Runner]] in the original book, was reluctant to do so in the remake)
|-id="War for the Star"
| War for the Star || [[Marshmallow's Last Stand]] || [[Homestar Runner]]/[[Pom Pom]] vs. [[Strong Bad]]/[[Strong Mad]] || The Brothers Strong challenge Homestar Runner to tag-team wrestling match. || [[Homestar Runner]]/[[Pom Pom]]
|-id="A Jumping Jack Contest"
| A Jumping Jack Contest || [[A Jumping Jack Contest]] || [[Bubs]], [[Strong Bad]], [[Homestar Runner]], [[Pom Pom]], [[Strong Sad]] || See who can jump jacks for the longest. || [[Homestar Runner]] (shared the trophy with [[Strong Bad]] disguised as [[Pom Pom]])
|-id="Reddest Radish"
| Reddest Radish || [[The Reddest Radish]] || [[Strong Bad]], [[Marzipan]] || Bring the reddest radish. || [[Marzipan]]
|-id="Pumpkin Carving"
| [[Pumpkin]] Carving || [[Pumpkin Carve-nival]] || [[Strong Sad]], [[The King of Town]], [[Strong Mad]], [[Coach Z]], [[The Poopsmith]], [[Homsar]], [[Pom Pom]], [[Marzipan]], [[The Goblin]] as [[Strong Bad]], [[Bubs]] || Best carved pumpkin wins. || [[Strong Bad]]
|-id="Golf Club Game"
| Golf Club Game || [[mascot]] || [[Crazy Go Nuts University]], Pile of Electronics State || [[The Cheat]] hits stuff with a golf club. || [[Crazy Go Nuts University]]
|-id="Strong Sad Lookalike Contest"
| [[Strong Sad Lookalike Contest]] || [[impression]] || [[Strong Bad]], [[Homestar Runner]], [[Homsar]], [[The Cheat]] || Best impression of [[Strong Sad]] wins. || [[The Cheat]] (four years running)
|-id="All-Wide Science Fair"
| [[All-Wide Science Fair]] || [[caffeine]] || [[Strong Bad]], [[Homestar Runner]] || Best demonstration of science knowledge wins. || Unknown
|-id="Ten-step Footrace"
| Ten-step Footrace || [[flashback]] || [[Strong Bad]], [[Homestar Runner]] || Whoever goes the most distance in ten steps, will be the winner (no biting), although loser gets the [[egg]]. || [[Homestar Runner]]
|-id="DANCE CONTEST!"
| DANCE CONTEST! || [[replacement]] || [[Marzipan]], [[Coach Z]], [[Strong Sad]], [[Bubs]], [[Strong Mad]], [[Homsar]], [[Homestar Runner]] || Best dance wins. || No one
|-id="The Champeenship"
| [[Champeenship|The Champeenship]] || [[montage]] || [[Homestar Runner]], [[Wagon Fulla Pancakes]] || Martial arts match. || [[Wagon Fulla Pancakes]]
|-id="Battle of the Bands"
| [[Wikipedia:Battle of the Bands|Battle of the Bands]] || [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8]] || [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Fatty's Big Chance|Fatty's Big Chance]], [[Kissyboots]] (known) || Best band wins. || Unknown
|-id="Battle of the Crappy High School Bands"
| Battle of the Crappy High School Bands || [[death metal]] || [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Brainkrieg|Brainkrieg]] || High school band competition. || Unknown (Though Strong Bad notes that Brainkrieg came in last)
|-id="The Million Yard Dash"
| The Million Yard Dash || [[disconnected]] || [[Strong Bad]], [[Homestar]] (previously) || Homestar isn't participating in the year depicted in the email. || [[Strong Bad]]
|- id="Dig_To_China_With_Your_Ears"
| Dig To China With Your Ears || [[alternate universe]] || [[Strong Bad]], [[Tiny-Handed Strong Bad]] || Dig to [[Wikipedia:China|China]] with your ears. || [[Tiny-Handed Strong Bad]]
|-id="The 2nd Annual Homestarloween Awards"
| The 2nd Annual Homestarloween Awards || [[Halloween Awards Show]] || [[Homestar Runner]], [[Marzipan]], [[Strong Bad]] (finalists) || Best Halloween costume wins || [[Strong Bad]]
|-id="Strong Badathlon"
| [[Strong Badathlon]] || [[strong badathlon]] || Numerous characters; [[Strong Bad]], [[The Poopsmith]], [[Homestar Runner]], [[Cherry Greg]], and [[Pom Pom]] are known || [[The Cheat]] Chuck, Greco-Roman Homestar Crud-Out-of-Beating, Remote Put, Clean and Jerk [[Strong Mad]]'s [[Underwear]]s Over His Head, and [[Blatant Lies|Probably]] Something with Guitars, [[Lasers]], and [[Strong Bad's Ladies|Hot Girls]]||[[The Poopsmith]] (The Cheat Chuck), [[Homestar Runner]] (Greco-Roman Homestar Crud-Out-of-Beating), [[Cherry Greg]] (Remote Put), [[Pom Pom]] (Clean and Jerk Strong Mad's Underwears Over His Head), and [[Strong Bad]] (Something to Do With Guitars, Lasers, Robots, and Hot Girls)
|-id="Cat Mess Inbredtational Pet Show"
| [[Cat Mess Inbredtational Pet Show]] || [[pet show]] || [[Marzipan]] with [[Homestar Runner]], [[Strong Bad]] with [[The Cheat]], [[The King of Town]] with As Seen on TV Low Fat Cooking Device, [[Pom Pom]] and [[Trivia Time]] || Best pet wins || [[Marzipan]] with [[Homestar Runner]]
|-id="Kick-A-Ball"
| Kick-A-Ball || [[Kick-A-Ball]] || The Even Stevens ([[Homestar Runner]], [[Pom Pom]], [[Pom Pom]], [[Pom Pom]], [[Pom Pom]], [[Pom Pom]], [[Pom Pom]], [[Pom Pom]], [[Pom Pom]], [[Pom Pom]], and secretly, [[Strong Sad]]) and Little Stevie and the Evens ([[Strong Bad]], [[The Cheat]], [[Bubs]], [[Strong Mad]], [[The Poopsmith]], [[Coach Z]], [[The King of Town]], and [[Marzipan]]) || Same rules as kickball, except with "-a" added. Striking out results in vehement catapultery. Because of Strong Bad's [[Cheating|tampering with the rules]], double side-mouth whisper drafts are totally legal. || The Even Stevens
|-id="Tri-annual Race to the End of the Race"
| Tri-annual Race to the End of the Race || [[Homestar Ruiner]] || [[Homestar Runner]] and [[Pom Pom]] || Best time through the entire race course that also beats the previous record wins. Win is only valid after a tape of the race is sent to judges in Stockholm. || [[Strong Bad]] (as [[Homestar Runner]])
|-id="Baddest of the Bands"
| Battle Royale of the Bands || [[Baddest of the Bands]] || [[Cool Tapes]] ([[Marzipan]], [[Strong Mad]], and [[The Cheat]]), Pomstar ([[Pom Pom]] and [[Homestar Runner]]), Two-O-Duo ([[Coach Z]] and [[Bubs]]), and DÖI ([[Strong Bad]], [[The King of Town]], and [[Homsar]]) || Best band wins, as judged by [[Limozeen]]. || DÖI
|-id="Triathlon"
| Triathlon || [[Homestar Runner Goes For the Gold]] || The All-Stars ([[The Homestar Runner (storybook)|The Homestar Runner]], [[Pom Pom]], [[Mr. Bland]], and later [[Strong Sad]]), The Strong Stars ([[Tiny-Handed Strong Bad]], [[Strong Mad]], and [[Dijjery Doo]]) || Teams compete in three events (running, swimming, and flying) to get "the [[gold]]". || The All-Stars
|}

==Contests mentioned but not shown==
*In the email [[do over]], Strong Bad offers [[Ali and Ali's Sister|Ali and her sister]] the chance to participate in an egg drop soup eating contest.
*In the email [[bottom 10]], Strong Bad ranks Dry T-Shirt Contests as number 10 on the list.
*In the email [[original]], Homestar mentions a yodeling contest. [[Original Bubs]] says (or at least Homestar claims he said) that Homestar won the contest.

[[Category:Contests|*]]

Confetti

Timmodonuts — Thu, 20 Feb 2020 17:56:04 GMT

Timmodonuts: seems that the consensus was to keep

[[File:Bubsfirework.PNG|thumb|"Explosions! Fireworks!"]]
[[Characters]] in the [[Homestar Runner Universe]] occasionally celebrate special occasions with '''[[Wikipedia:confetti|confetti]]''', which is thrown from or falls from [[Hammerspace]]. Notably, the same confetti is used in almost every appearance, with a distinct color scheme of navy blue, red, white, yellow, and cyan, and a unique falling animation.

==Appearances==
*[[Senorial Day]] — [[Homestar Runner]] and [[Duplicate Characters|Mustachioed Homestar]] throw confetti to promote the Bubsotathon.
*[[Halloween Potion-ma-jig]] — [[Homsar]] as Tingle throws confetti.
*[[Flashforward]] — Confetti appears from the sides of the screen to celebrate the 2006 Flashback Show.
*Email [[pizza joint]] — Balloons and confetti come out of [[The Cheat]]'s pizza joint, CHEATSA PIZZA ([[the King of Town's grill]]).
*Email [[slumber party]] — Clearing a round in [[Slumber Party Games#Clapping Party|Clapping Party]] makes a pixelized variant of confetti appear on the screen.
*Email [[pet show]] — [[Strong Bad]] jumps into a pile of [[potatoes]] while confetti rains down from above to gloss over the fact that Saberlord's Scritchascratch Cakemonger The Cheat lost the [[Cat Mess Inbredtational Pet Show|pet show]].
*[[Where U Goin 2?]] — Confetti appears from the sides of the [[scoreboard]] as The Cheat does flaming lay-up drills.
*[[Compy Catalog]] — Confetti falls during [[Strong Sad]]'s scene where he's "the happiest [he's] ever been".
*Email [[videography]] — Acting like he's celebrating in a promo for "Videographer" Strong Bad, Homestar Runner dances and throws confetti saying "Oh, [[twice]]! I'm a lavish gift-giver!"
*[[April Fool 2014]] — After introducing himself as "what you might call Homestar Runner", Homestar throws confetti and says "Yaaaay!!" out of the side of his mouth.
*[[Fish Eye Lens]] — A bulbous variant of confetti falls on the dancing bathroom figures, without elliptical shapes and including the color green.

==See Also==
*[[Hammerspace]]
[[Category:Object running gags]]

Talk:Comic Sightings

Timmodonuts — Sat, 15 Feb 2020 22:31:12 GMT

Timmodonuts: 0-M, N-Z not redirecting

Why isn't [http://www.neomonsterisland.com/a_archives/017/803/1.html this] listed here? (I'd put it myself, 'cept I dunno where it goes on the page. Although it says NeoMonster Island, my friend says it's an offshoot of somethingawful.com.) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== New "The Wotch" sighting ==

In the 1/18/06 filler comic, Anne and Robyn have staffs, with Coach Z's medallions at the ends. --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]]
:Seen it, and if you read the caption, it has to do with Oz (as in, the Wizard of). I don't think it's a reference. It just looks similar. [http://www.thewotch.com/ Link for those who don't read it.] --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

Cloogle has a Population: Tire reference.

== New Pokemon X Comment. ==

One of the charecters makes a comment to a piece of candy being "Soo Good." Wouldn't that be a reference to Teen Girl Squad?

No. All it means is that a piece of candy is good, anything could say that something is Soo Good. all it means is that it is good. I have deleted it from the page. Keep searching for actual references though, some out there are pretty cool. -- [[User:The McArby|The McArby!]] 03:51, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

== VG Cats ==

I think it's debatable whether VG Cats should be listed here or on the [[Website Sightings]] page. The Homestar references are scattered throughout the site, including ''outside'' of the comic itself. I think the section should be moved. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 14:52, 13 November 2006
:VG Cats is primarily a comic, though, so it makes sense to include here. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Jargly jargon ==

Jargle is a real word, but a Google search for "what's that jargle" pretty much only returns Homestar Runner-related or post-[[Folky Tale|Folky-Tale]] results. And "What's this jargle" returns zipall. That said, do you think [http://cheer.thewotch.com/strips/20070721.jpg this] counts as a reference? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:14, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
:Considering the other references CHEER! has made, I'd say so. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:04, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

== Page Reorg ==

Like [[Website Sightings]], this page gets a lot of activity and is now over 100 entries. Any ideas on how to do a reorganization? Splitting A-N, M-Z? Culling references? Having collapsing categories? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 18:39, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Well, now there's another. I just posted a sighting. But I think it should be broken up in different pages, like you said, A-N M-Z. Maybe I could list A-N as part 1 and M-Z as part 2. That way, you wouldn't have to scroll that far down/up the page. {{User:Don't say jorb 101/sig}} 8:40 PM, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

:These pages exist (0-M, N-Z), but don't seem to be re-directing properly. {{User:Timmodonuts/sig}} 22:31, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

== PrtSc Land? ==

I have a webcomic called [http://prtscland.smackjeeves.com PrtSc Land] that has Homestar Runner references, why isn't it on here? EDIT: I didn't sign my post originally because I didn't know how to, and I don't have an account OR a constant IP address so there's no point in signing it, but I'm signing anyways now [[User:72.251.10.211|72.251.10.211]] 22:47, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

== A Conundrum... ==

In [http://www.idrewthis.org/uploaded_images/idtcomic2-709927.png this March 8th guest strip] on idrewthis, a paper can be seen labelled "Da News Papes." (Not more than) two prablems:

First, is this a website or comic sighting? The site was formerly purely a webcomic, but is now more politics blog than comic site. Obviously it is not a simple "I watched H*R today, then I had a piece of toast" reference, which is definitely unnotable, but is this significant enough?

Second, should I (or we at the Wiki) consider the content of the comic itself? While it's not vulgar or profane (in the traditional definition), some people might find the...idea of it highly offensive. One might guess that a common interest in H*R doesn't necessarily mean a common worldview. I won't state my opinion on the content here, of course, as I feel such things should be kept separate from this wiki, but is it necessary to mark? Clearly, "some readers find this offensive." However, that template is almost always used for foul language.

I have rambled enough on both points. Please, HRWiki regulars, mods, and anonnies, view it for yourselves so that we can decide as a group. Is this offensive, inoffensive, or even notable at all?

[http://www.idrewthis.org/ The comic in its original page.]
-- {{User:Onamuji/sig}} 01:15, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

== Time Suck ==

Would this comic by Joe Mathlete count as Website or Comic sighting? [http://www.29-95.com/time-suck/comic/sauce-policy-8]--[[Special:Contributions/97.73.64.173|97.73.64.173]] 19:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

== Another Runaways Reference? ==

In Runaways, while fighting robots, Molly says something like: "It tickles when they a splode!" Should this be considered a reference?
:Very yes it should, and I'm not just saying that as a big Runaways fan (and a Molly fan in particular). =3 --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:10, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

== Sonic the Hedgehog Comic had No Reference ==

I deleted the Sonic section, for I believed there to be no reference. The term 'A Splode' has become commonly known, with some people knowing it through the toons, others through its original source (What it is I forget), and others still heard it from someone else. Now, if Bean had mentioned Sonic's HEAD, that would be different.--[[User:HRWiki Greg|HRWiki Greg]] 21:33, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
:Yes, it may have been indirect, but H*R coined it. Therefore, a reference, abliet an accidental one. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 21:36, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
::Ah. Alright. I was a bit confused and got the date wrong, so [[video games]] actually coined it. Thanks. And, never mind, I guess.

== AmazingSuperPowers ==

The 'comeuppance'd' bit in [http://www.amazingsuperpowers.com/ee/2008-02-18.jpg this] secret comic.--[[User:HRWiki Greg|FIFTH GREG! HRWiki Greg]] 18:48, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

== Problem Sleuth sighting ==

I found a sighting of "Get ye flask" in the MSPA Problem Sleuth. Here's the page: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=4&p=000236 {{User:Star Guy/sig}} 15:53, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

*I'm pretty sure that's already on the page, under the MSPA section.

== Penny Arcade ==

*I spotted [[Coach Z#Accent|jorb]] in the "Fantasy Racism" comic. Does this count as their way of saying "thanks for noticing us"?

== Superman/Batman ==

I don't think holding the word "moon" out long counts as a Strong Bad reference in and of itself. Did the writer say it was one in an interview or something? [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] 23:41, 18 September 2017 (UTC)

CollegeHumor Interview - 15 Sep 2008

Timmodonuts — Fri, 14 Feb 2020 16:00:00 GMT

Timmodonuts: whoops forgot to write preview

[[The Brothers Chaps]] were interviewed by Sam Reich for [[Wikipedia:CollegeHumor|CollegeHumor]] on September 15, 2008. This mainly regarded [[SBCG4AP]].

== External Links==
*[https://web.archive.org/web/20111004120134/http://www.collegehumor.com/article/3581471/interview-with-the-brothers-chaps Read the interview] {{inlinecontentwarning}}

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CollegeHumor Interview - 15 Sep 2008

Timmodonuts — Fri, 14 Feb 2020 15:58:41 GMT

Timmodonuts: old link defunct, needed to use Internet Archive

[[The Brothers Chaps]] were interviewed by Sam Reich for [[Wikipedia:CollegeHumor|CollegeHumor]] on September 15, 2008. This mainly regarded [[SBCG4AP]].

== External Links==
*[https://web.archive.org/web/20111004120134/http://www.collegehumor.com/article/3581471/interview-with-the-brothers-chaps] {{inlinecontentwarning}}

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Cold Hard Flash Interview - 1 Dec 2005

Timmodonuts — Thu, 13 Feb 2020 22:30:42 GMT

Timmodonuts: date is known, it's not "sometime in winter"

On December 1 2005, [[The Brothers Chaps]] were interviewed by [[Wikipedia:Aaron Simpson|Aaron Simpson]] of [http://www.coldhardflash.com/ Cold Hard Flash].

==Transcript==
<noinclude>{{uncensored|Cold Hard Flash Interview (censored)}}</noinclude>
===Part 1===
Mike and Matt Chapman, hailing from Decatur, Georgia, have built themselves the equivalent of animation dream jobs. They write, voice and animate for a living - and distribute exactly what they want, when they want, to millions of people. It's an incredible achievement, and one that defies entertainment convention.

Early on in their web-careers, the Brothers Chaps, as Mike and Matt have come to be known, opted to go without advertising on their site. But don't worry - [[HR:|homestarrunner.com]] has given them complete financial independence, solely through [[HRStore:|merchandise and DVD sales]]. It's allowed the brothers an unusual amount of creative control for a hit series. But instead of using this freedom to break all the rules, they went against the grain. Since the mid-'90s, shock-value has driven millions of eyeballs to dozens of gross-out web shows and too-nuts-for-TV clips. Shirking convention, Homestar Runner and his pals are more G than some shows on [http://www.nickjr.com/ Nick Jr.], but it surely hasn't halted their success one bit.

Perhaps it's because Mike, 33, and Matt, 29, the creators of such characters as Homestar Runner and Strong Bad, are family-oriented. At the [http://www.flashforwardconference.com/ Flashforward Conference] this past February, [[Flashforward Interview - 10 Feb 2006|they concede]] that their "sister, dad and mom, and uh, inlaws" all get into the act; working in the Homestar Runner store and helping out around the office. Growing up, Mike and Matt's parents, Don and Harriet Chapman, were reportedly always quite supportive of their creative endeavors, and ever since 1999, the brother's family-friendly tastes have attracted a feverishly loyal following.

Now, let's get to that following for a minute or two. Their website, homestarrunner.com, is visited by hundreds of thousands of people a day. But the brothers supposedly don't know if it's 100,000 a day or 200,000, nor do they really care. You see, while other web companies and animators comb through the number of 'uniques' they get a day, The Brothers Chaps are busy ''being'' unique.

However, that won't stop the CHF research team (me), who spent tens of minutes scouring the web to come up with rough, unverified statistics. Drumroll, please....according to web-stats giant [http://alexa.com/ Alexa.com], Homestarrunner.com gets more traffic than starwars.com, pixar.com, southparkstudios.com, thesimpsons.com and handful of other high-profile animation websites.

{| border="1" align="center" cellpadding="3" style="border-collapse: collapse"
! WEBSITE !! ALEXA RANK (on 08/06/06)
|-
| [[HR:|homestarrunner.com]]: || style="text-align: right" | 4,050
|-
| [http://starwars.com/ starwars.com]: || style="text-align: right" | 4,207
|-
| [http://www.noggin.com/ noggin.com]: || style="text-align: right" | 6,215
|-
| [http://www.adultswim.com/ adultswim.com]: || style="text-align: right" | 6,292
|-
| [http://mondo.happytreefriends.com/ happytreefriends.com]: || style="text-align: right" | 9,046
|-
| [http://www.pixar.com/ pixar.com]: || style="text-align: right" | 13,127
|-
| [http://pokemon.com/ pokemon.com]: || style="text-align: right" | 15,692
|-
| [http://www.southparkstudios.com/show/display_faq_search.php?section=2&id=38887&search_faq= southparkstudios.com]: || style="text-align: right" | 22,204
|-
| [http://dragonballz.com/ dragonballz.com]: || style="text-align: right" | 26,774
|-
| [http://awn.com/ awn.com]: || style="text-align: right" | 27,716
|-
| [http://thesimpsons.com/ thesimpsons.com]: || style="text-align: right" | 29,574
|-
| [[Main Page|hrwiki.org]]: || style="text-align: right" | 35,203
|}

In fact, the [[Main Page|Homestar Runner Wiki]], the collaboratively-run, online encyclopedia of everything Homestar, gets almost as much traffic at thesimpsons.com (more on the HRWiki in a moment).

But for how many fans they have (the same fans that send in over 3,000 emails a day), The Brothers Chaps have somehow avoided being heralded with awards and honors. Mike and Matt would probably say that they could care less (and that's probably true), but it's symbolic of how independent they've remained. They don't have agents, managers or press buffers. They turn down TV execs holding deals as if they were pan-handlers. The Brothers Chaps are Hollywood 2.0 - blessed with a huge audience, creative freedom, popular merchandise, and an address far from Hollywood.

Speaking of merchandise - the entire Homestar Runner empire is operated entirely off of DVD and merchandise moolah, and with hysterical products like [[HRStore:horufi.html|The Cheat Commando Figurines]], it's easy to see why. In fact, one of the more popular threads at the HRWiki Homestar Runner message board is titled '[[Forum:179|merchandise wishes]].' And if you're wondering what all of thee rabid fans are buying, The Brothers Chaps have shared that the [[HRStore:trbu.html|Trogdor t-shirt]] is their best selling item, but their many [[HRStore:stbademdvd.html|DVD releases]] (see the [http://www.coldhardflash.com/2005/03/strongbad-dvd-is-strong-good.html CHF review]) can't be far behind.

So what's their secret? Well, it's not the software. While Mike and Matt have always used Flash to make their many shorts, they famously don't keep up with the latest versions, and their proud of it. Perhaps the secret lies in their ability to loose themselves in the work. With no sprawling production teams to hire, no Hollywood hobnobbing to suffer through and no agents to please, The Brothers Chaps can just focus on the funny. There's a moment in the interview below, where Matt, the puppeteer in the family, explains his mental state during one of his live puppet recordings. He felt he "wasn't even there." This zen-like creative groove is just the thing Hollywood distractions so easily destroy.

Onward to the interview. Before we get this rolling, I'd like to thank the gang over at the [[Main Page|Homestar Runner Wiki]], whose carefully assembled database helped me immensely in researching this article.

So without further adieu, here's the phone interview I conducted back in the Winter of 2005 (Hey - I got busy!). It's a two-parter, starting with Mike.

'''AARON SIMPSON:''' How do you guys decide who does what on the short.

'''MIKE CHAPMAN:''' As far as writing goes, we'll talk about what ideas we have. Usually the project timeline is very short, and we'll quickly get the broad strokes down. At that point we usually go take a stab at writing it separately. We both know the main points of the story, and then we take a look at those, and decide that his part works here and my part here. Then Matt goes and records all the voices and when he's doing that, I'm generally blocking the scenes. If I know there's going to be a scene when Strong Bad is in space, I'll go and get those background graphics together. And then once the audio is done, we basically split up the scenes. Matt is the better animator, so if there's scenes that actually have some action going on, he'll usually do those. And if a scene just has characters talking, I'll do those - like Strong Bad at his computer. I mean I can animate okay, but Matt generally will spend more time on each shot, and his little flourishes will look a little better. I'm more likely to have the characters just say their lines.

So after we finish ours scenes, we combine them, look at it, and make changes. For instance, we'll cut the line in half, add sound effects, or move a punch around. The last few hours are making changes like that.

'''AARON:''' Were you guys creatively collaborating earlier in your lives, before Homestar?

'''MIKE:''' Definitely. We grew up drawing, making comic books, making Super 8 movies in the mid-80s, and then we worked with a video camera. So, yes, we've collaborated pretty much all of our lives.

'''AARON:''' I know how brothers can get competitive. Does that ever get in the way of your creative process?

'''MIKE:''' When we were growing up, I definitely used to beat the {{{swear|shit}}} out of Matt. But from a creative standpoint, we don't really ever get carried away. And if there is a part where Matt or I don't like the direction it's going, we just say it - "no I think that sucks, that's not funny. Let's do it this way." And we usually agree on everything, which makes it easy.

'''AARON:''' Have you ever considered passing some of the animation duties on to others?

'''MIKE:''' No, I think if we were gonna do that, we would have done it by now. Years ago, we'd always said that that animation would be the first thing to pass off. For me, that's the part I'm not as excited about. Writing is great, I love illustrating - but animation is especially boring. But since we've been doing it this way, at this point it would be a few steps backwards to get someone else in here. If we were going to do some other project, and start from scratch, we might look at that, but at this point probably not.

'''AARON:''' Is there an certain aspect of your work that's currently getting the most attention?

'''MIKE:''' For me, it's stuff with a unique visual style. Some people in the audience may notice that recently we've been paying more attention to the visual style.

'''AARON:''' Between your games, puppet shorts and the DVDs - which takes the most time to make?

'''MIKE:''' The DVD stuff definitely takes a lot of time. Especially the first time - we hired a friend ([[Ryan Sterritt]]) of ours to help make it. We basically had to learn from start to finish. It worked out great, and now we have a really great DVD author on our team of only 3 people.

'''AARON:''' What was the process like getting the shorts to DVD?

'''MIKE:''' It was around 6 months into the process, and we were watching some test DVDs and they just weren't cutting it. They were pixely and the colors weren't right, and at that point, we essentially started over. There's a program called [http://www.flashants.com/root/swf2video.shtml SWF2Video] that really helped us finish, and then we color corrected in [http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?link_code=ur2&camp=1789&tag=coldhardflash-20&creative=9325&path=ASIN/B00005UMC6/qid=1117915336/sr=2-3/ref=pd_bbs_b_2_3 After Effects].

'''AARON:''' And those DVDs are packed with Easter eggs...

'''MIKE:''' Ya, it would have been impossible to hire a company to do all that. There are just so many little nuances and hidden Easter eggs in the DVD. I'm sure Ryan (Sterritt - the DVD author) hates it but sometimes he'll author the DVD in some way, and in the last week, we'll say "you know what, this interface is going to change." And if he wasn't sitting right next to us, that would have been a pain in the {{{swear|ass}}}.

'''AARON:''' How did you guys first team up with the band [http://www.tmbg.com/ They Might Be Giants]?

'''MIKE:''' Actually John Linnell emailed us. Before that, a fan sent us a picture of them with John Flansburgh, and he was wearing a Homestar shirt. And six months after that, John Linnell emailed and said he was a big fan and suggested we could maybe collaborate. It didn't hurt that I'd been a huge TMBG fan ever since college.

'''AARON:''' Of the 2 of you, who is the puppeteer?

'''MIKE:''' Matt, mostly. Primarily, because he does the voices, and most of it is ad-libbed.

'''AARON:''' You've been lauded on the internet, radio and TV for having an internet show that's relatively family-friendly. Have you ever gotten phone calls or emails complaining about the subject manner in your cartoons?

'''MIKE:''' Ya, there's always people. We'll get someone who misinterprets a short and emails us "what's up with the gay bashing?" So we'd send back an email, and it ends up being a 13 year old girl, and we explain the issue. And then she'll email back saying "you know, you're right." We've done that a few times, where people have sent us really angry emails. We'll email back: "No wait - calm down. This is what we're talking about."

'''AARON:''' I'm sure you get approached by a fair amount of people wanting to partner up. Is there one offer that was more outrageous than the rest?

'''MIKE:''' We get tons of cell phone offers - for ringtones and mobile-episodes. These people just don't get it. We're scratching our heads - have you even looked at our site? We'd never do that. It's the grossest thing I could think of - selling one minute [[HR:sbemail.html|Strong Bad Emails]] for cell phones. These people say "you'd be surprised, people would do it." And we're thinking that's not the point - we know people will do it. We don't want them to do it.

Oh, and there was one caller who wanted to give us $10,000 a month for banner ads or something. And you know someone had just tipped them off - "Hey, you should check out this Homestar site." And they look at it for 5 minutes and call us, "We like your Strongman character."

'''AARON:''' Have you ever had fans try to locate your office and try to swing by?

'''MIKE:''' There have been a few people peek through the blinds. We're right next to a bowling alley and one day someone saw all the Homestar stuff in our office and knocked on the door. They asked us if we were big Homestar fans.

'''AARON:''' How was your experience at [[Bobby Blackwolf Interview - 5 Sep 2005|Dragon*Con]]?

'''MIKE:''' We've never been to a 'Con before. We'd always shied away from those because of the fanboy aspect of them. But it was alot of fun. Far less creepy and far more fun that we'd imagined.

'''AARON:''' Do you think any of your projects will move onto another platform? Maybe a broadband show or perhaps a video game.

'''MIKE:''' I don't think it's gonna happen. The way we do things is very immediate - we make cartoons and put them up three days later. There's very few projects we do that are long term, but I'd say doing a video game, or something for Gameboy - that would be something that we'd be interested in doing. But we've never licensed our stuff out, and we'd have to do it in-house, and the timeline would have to be quick. But I really don't think that's gonna happen.

===Part 2===
'''AARON SIMPSON:''' Do you think most people find the Easter eggs on your DVDs?

'''MATT CHAPMAN:''' We've met people who've seen 60 or 70 [[HR:sbemail.html|Strong Bad Emails]] and we'll mention the Easter eggs and they're like "wait, you guys hide stuff in them?" For years now, we've been checking the fan forums to make sure people were finding them. But the [http://forum.hrwiki.org/ Message Board] fans are the super Homestar nerds, and we sort of took it for granted that everyone knew there were hidden things.

'''AARON:''' You just released a new DVD.

'''MATT:''' We're calling it '[[HRStore:stbademdvd.html|Everything Else: Volume 1]].' It's all the shorter cartoons. Volume 2 will feature the [[Toons#Big Toons|Big Toons]] and other stuff like the Halloween shorts.

'''AARON:''' What made you want to put out DVDs in the first place?

'''MATT:''' Several fans had said we should put our stuff on DVD so they could watch the animations on their TV and not have to get on the web all the time. Plus, we were realizing that things aren't going to last forever, so just for our own archival portfolio, it's a nice way to preserve all that stuff.

'''AARON:''' Do you have plans to release your work in any of the new disc formats?

'''MATT:''' Well, with [http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html?link_code=ur2&tag=coldhardflash-20&camp=1789&creative=9325&location=%2Fgp%2Fproduct%2FB000CS3S4A%2Fsr%3D1-1%2Fqid%3D1156343636%2Fref%3Dpd_bbs_1%3Fie%3DUTF8%26s%3Dsoftware Flash] because it's all vector, you can export to whatever size you want. Our process works like this - first we make an uncompressed AVI that just looks gorgeous. But, for instance, a [[HR:sbemail.html|Strong Bad Email]] will be about 10 gigs. To get it onto a DVD you have to use so much compression, and we end up with some loss and artifacting. To test these things we have this really old {{{swear|shitty}}} DVD player, and then we have a DV-out into an HDTV - it's the low end and the high end. And when we started looking at our stuff on this really nice set-up we quickly saw some artifacting. It was discouraging, but then we'd watch it on a regular TV and it would look really good. So I popped in one of the 'Lord of the Rings' DVDs and watched it on the same HD setup, and even there we could see some artifacting. I guess its just a necessary evil of DVD compression. So maybe we could put out perfect versions of each Strong Bad Email as a 100 DVD set.

'''AARON:''' Is there a character you find most fun to animate?

'''MATT:''' I'd say Homestar. For one, he's got no arms, which is great. And his head is simple - a closed mouth, an open mouth and an 'Oh' circle mouth. So it's really easy to make him talk. Mike will tell you that if you see a scene and Homestar just sits there and talks - he animated that. If Homestar is talking and waggling all around and talking - that's me. It's fun to force yourself to get emotion from such a simple character. Homestar is essentially a glorified stick figure.

'''AARON:''' What kind of animation tricks are you using now that you weren't doing 6 or 7 years ago.

'''MATT:''' Early on, we relied on motion tweens, where you'd set point A and B, and the software would fill in the blanks. Now we're much closer to doing frame by frame animation. Beyond that, we're always trying new graphic styles - bringing in a blurred JPG background and then we'll do a rack-focus. We've been doing that for years, but if you look back at the earlier ones, we weren't animating quite as much. And now the quality has gone up a little bit more, but the time we've put into it has tripled.

'''AARON:''' There must be thousands of symbols and assets in the Homestar Flash library.

'''MATT:''' We're actually pretty bad at archiving all the artwork. We actually do have a couple master libraries filled with all the parts of each character. During the production of a cartoon, we'll make a new Strong Bad glove that looks a little better, or animates easier, but we'll forget that we did that. So when we go to make a new cartoon, we'll forget that me made that new asset. So we have to start searching.

There's a symbol of [[HR:vcr_cheat.html|The Cheat]] - a reverse view - that's the same one we've been using for 4 or 5 years - and it's terrible! His proportions are off - he's way skinnier than the Cheat should be - and the line is real chunky. I think Mike drew it and scanned it in and then traced the bitmap - which we don't do anymore. We draw everything right into Flash. So it's really kinda gross looking. Over the summer, we made a new one - but we keep forgetting where that new one is saved. We need to organize them better. We should get an intern or something.

'''AARON:''' How do you currently go about finding props or backgrounds from old episodes?

'''MATT:''' It's funny - we ended up using a really exhaustive fan site - the [[Main Page|Homestar Runner Wiki]]. We'll be asking ourselves, "when did we make the orange spoon?" The Wiki is a searchable database, so we'll just search for 'orange spoon,' and it pops right up - "it's in Strong Bad Email #63." And then we noticed the Wiki was having a pledge drive so we donated to it. We probably use it more than the fans do so we figured we should try to keep it alive.

'''AARON:''' You still use Flash 5. Why is this the best version for your production process?

'''MATT:''' It's the way you can select colors and frames. And Flash 5 is the best for lip-syncing. When you click on a frame in Flash 5, you hear that exact frame of sound, which makes it real easy to animate. We tinkered around with Flash 8 and couldn't get it do work the way it does in 5, so we stopped messing around with it. We've had people tell us they could get Flash 8 to work exactly like Flash 5, but who knows.

We got to talking to the Flash developers, the guys who actually make the software - and it was awesome. Sort of like meeting your makers. But it was funny, they put it us a beta test team for Flash 8 along with developers and information architects, and we didn't understand a thing they were talking about. We'd just email them asking "can you make it more like Flash 5?"

'''AARON:''' People seem fascinated that you don't have advertising on your site. What's your reaction to that?

'''MATT:''' I'm surprised that they're surprised. When we started, we knew we were taking a risk, as it seemed like every site needed advertising to get by. But at that point, we weren't trying to make Homestar into a business. Looking at the industry, I wish our no-banner ad stance had caught on more, especially now that ads are sneakier than ever.

'''AARON:''' Had you done any puppetry before the Homestar puppet shorts?

'''MATT:''' No, we'd never really done any puppetry - at least no more than a kid does growing up. We just have a friend who is a puppeteer and makes puppets. We've always thought all along that there were these different Homestar universes. Like there's an [[HR:old.html|old 1930s version]] (click the reels) of the cartoon, and there's the [[HR:stinkogame/v7/stinkogame.html|Stinkoman Japanese version]] of it. So we chose the Pee-wee's Playhouse-style variety show to mess with. We keep the length of these around a minute, because of bandwidth issues. A 6-minute Flash cartoon can be 1.5 mbs, but with video, a minute ends up being about 1mb.

But we think we've only scratched the surface of what we'd really like to do with the puppets. We could make some hilarious set, and have a human host and group of kids - I don't know.

'''AARON:''' Tell us about Homestar's day hanging out with [http://www.tmbg.com/ They Might Be Giants].

'''MATT:''' I don't even remember [[HR:puppetjam3.html|that day]]. Because I was mostly interacting with the band through a puppet. I think of that whole experience through Homestar's eyes and when I watch that stuff, I feel like I wasn't even there.

We occasionally email back and forth with John and John. Hopefully we'll find a way to collaborate again in the future.

'''AARON:''' Do you ever get fan animated stuff that appeals for you?

'''MATT:''' We've gotten a couple things over the years. As they say "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery," but some of these submissions were from really young kids - like 12 year olds. So they're just learning Flash, and it's awesome. And if making your own Homestar fan cartoons is the way you want to learn Flash, then do it. But Mike gets cringy and embarrassed watching some of them.

We're not trying to sound spoiled, or "people like our stuff so much that they're making these things for us." I guess it's dealing with the geek factor. There's people that like your stuff so much and it's just kind of overwhelming and hard to deal with. But on the other hand, there's plenty of fan pieces like [[HR:cheatvideo.html|The Cheat Theme Song]]. It was a song made by fans from Alabama who call themselves [http://www.geocities.com/theskateparty/ The Skate Party]. It was hilarious. It sounded exactly like something we would do. For the longest time people thought it was us, which was great.

There's also an acappella group called [http://www.bulletproofartists.com/onlinestore/category.cfm?Category=18 DaVinci's Notebook] that did an old-timey barbershop song called '[[HR:sneakvideo.html|The Ballad of The Sneak]]'. So there's both ends of the spectrum - some of the stuff is exactly what we would have done or better, and we actually want to use it or collaborate, and then there's the other stuff.

But for the most part, we kind of stay away from the fan stuff - it's a combination of being afraid that it will be bad and we'll feel bad about not liking it. And then what if it's even better and funnier than what we're doing?

'''AARON:''' Would you see yourselves doing this 20 years later?

'''MATT:''' Definitely. If not exactly this, then something like it. Our work is mainly short form, and when we feel Strong Bad Emails are getting old, we can quickly jump into something else. Anytime we talk about wanting to do some other projects, we figure we'll do it the same kind of way - put a few years into it, put it on the web, and if it's good then people will start coming.

But this is as good as it gets, you know, the fact that we make a Flash cartoon for a living. Look at '[http://www.happytreefriends.com/ Happy Tree Friends]' - you can [http://www.bestbuy.com/site/olspage.jsp?categoryid=cat02031&id=1457784&skuid=7425994&type=product&DCMP=KNC-TLC&ref=25&loc=MOV buy their DVDs] in Best Buy. Those guys have distribution deals. We just don't want to deal with agents and managers. The fact that we're supporting ourselves and we get to hire friends and family is amazing.

==External Links==
*[http://www.coldhardflash.com/2006/10/homestars-show-runners-part-1.html Part 1 of the interview]
*[http://www.coldhardflash.com/2006/10/homestars-show-runners-part-2.html Part 2 of the interview]

<noinclude>[[Category:Interviews and Public Appearances]]</noinclude>

Talk:Coach Z Ale

Timmodonuts — Tue, 11 Feb 2020 18:01:03 GMT

Timmodonuts: /* Why has this not come up yet? */

{{deletedtalk|merge=Minor Foods}}
Doe not delete this! --[[User:Technochocolate|Technochocolate]] 03:30, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Why not? what purpose could this possibly serve? -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 03:31, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Umm...it's a drink! --04:19, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)04:19, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

We could merge this info into [[Cold One]] [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 15:46, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:But this isn't a type of Cold One- it's just another type of beer. If we merge it with anything it should be [[Coach Z]], methinks. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 15:49, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::I second that. [[Coach Z]] does seem to be the most logical place for it.--Shippinator Mandy

:::Shouldn't it really be merged into [[time capsule]]? <tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|Aurora the Homestar Coder]]</tt> 16:24, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::::I personally don't think this needs to exist at all. All info found on this page can be found in the email, except for the image, which is useless. -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 22:56, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::::I'm with Tony on this one, although if enough people think it's worth merging into something, Time Capsule makes sense to me. -- [[User:Eric|Eric]] 03:03, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

::::::Nah, merge it with coach Z. In fact, dont even merge it, just put a tiny footnote about it in coach Z ''and'' time capsule--[[User:Mikelx215|Mikelx215]] 00:41, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

:::::::I Don't think this needs deleting.--Clash

:On second thought, merging with [[time capsule]] sounds good. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 21:43, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I agree w/Mikelx215
-[[User: Tapd260]]

the question is, in fact, why SHOULD it be deleted?

There is no reson for it to be deleted. Please keep it.[[User:Undabite]]

I say delete. It's ridiculously small, and there's nothing to be added to it, since it only appeared once. It's just a small Easter Egg, and barely significant. If there were even three sentences to be said about this topic, I would be for keeping it, but as it is, it is pretty useless. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]

:I've seen smaller and less notable pages then this. And small pages are not inherently bad. '''Keep'''. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:32, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

I've made many pages like this, and most are around the same size and appear once. See [[Puke Pail]], for instance. If I had seen it first ''I'' would have made this page. I say keep. --[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/User:The_Homestrongzipansadcheatsmith http://www.hrwiki.org/images/3/3b/The_homestrongzipansadcheatsmith2.PNG] [[User talk:The Homestrongzipansadcheatsmith|Tlk]]/[[Special:Contributions/The_Homestrongzipansadcheatsmith|Cnt]] 23:42, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

==Merge==
I still say Merge any info onto the [[Cold One]] article, as that is where we keep all the info about different kinds of beer. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 21:48, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:I was the person who actually created this page. Several other pages exist for products that are easter eggs, and only referenced once. If people are deadset on having this deleted or moved, then I would suggest merging into the cold one article, but I'm not sure why this one has been singled out for merging or deletion. --[[User:Duke33|Duke33]] 17:37, 11 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:: I don't get it either, Duke33. I think that, maybe, merging w/ Cold One might be good, but I seriously don't think it should. [[User:Undabite]]

There are other "easter egg product" pages, but since we have a suitable place to put Beer/Cold one info we should keep it all together. If we had tons of short "pizza" articles we could merge an article like [[Bubs' Old Pizza]] together onto the broader topic, until any singular item became significant enough to stand on its own. Coach Z ale has not gone anywhere since its inception. Should it garner a few more appearances we will have enough information to justify a stand-alone article. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 16:18, 16 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:"This product was the first of only three foodstuff items in the Homestar Runner Universe to feature a main character's name on the packaging (the other products being Cheatcakes and Coach Z Ale)." That's off of the Strong Bad's Eggs food and drink page. It has importance! If it isn't good enough for a stand-alone, it should be merged, but i think it has enough weight to stay. :[[User:Best5bucksever|Best5bucksever]] 00:12, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Everyone aggreed on merging, say I.[[User:Undabite]]

I say they should merge all mentioned drinks together onto one page. With Cold Ones maybe?

== DO NOT DELETE! ==

There's no need to delete it! If you call this useless, you're calling every other page on this site useless!

:Wow. Your logic is truly impressive. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 19:33, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Naw, just keep it. I don't really see a need for deletion. --[[User:SaikoRoxi|SaikoRoxi]] 10:17, July 22, 2005

lol, good one HC. But I don't think it's worth a page. Just like Coach Z's Z wasn't. Besides, this only appears once on the entire site, and only in an easter egg. Baleet. —{{User:Darklinkskywalker/DLSsignature}} 04:24, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

y should it be deleted? thats the thing about homestar wiki. everything about homestar. EVERYTHING. i can see y we can keep it, but not y we should delete it. its not like it takes up space. Besides, theres another article about [[Jobar's Big Ol' Headache Medicine]], which is also from an easter egg in time capsule, and its also for a product. that article is pretty much the same size as well, and it is'nt pending deletation, so y should this one? I say, just keep the "stub" thingy on 'em and leave 'em alone!--[[User: Bubsty|Bubsty]].
== More is Better ==

Doesn't really seem logical to modify or remove a page that seems to work fine as a standalone. If it's going to be changed at all, then I agree with an appropriate merge, but not a full deletion. That's pointless. (Edit: Adding who I am.) [[User:Gingercat|Gingercat]] 01:58, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

'''KEEP''' or '''MERGE''' My only question is, where can I get some differently lame ale? {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 11:57, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I second the person who said it was worth keeping due to its mention on the Strong Bad Eggs food and drink page. Plus, I really like Coach Z, lame or not. [[User:Thexder|Thexder]] 23 August 2005

'''''Why has this not been deleted yet?!?!?!?!?!? It's been pending deletion for like, 3 months now...so do what you wanna do with it now! I think we should:

DELETE 
DELETE 
DELETE 
did I mention DELETE?'' ''' --{{User:Darklinkskywalker/DLSsignature}} 01:31, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)
:There's no way it's been pending baleetion for that long. I created it a few minutes ago. {{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 21:30, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
::See notice two comments below. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:31, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Y delete? Is it hurting anything? Didn't one of the chapman's say they thought it was cool how the wiki had so much covererd? Specifically at that flash conference thingy, they said it was cool how u could type something as abstract at "the orange couch" and something would come up.
:I am going to assume this is a good place to vote. I am going to go with '''delete'''. This was a one time easter egg in a SBEmail, and is unlikely to appear again. However, if we do keep this, we should clean this up a wee bit. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 22:58, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
==Picture==
If we aint gonna baleet this, then someone should get an image. My decompiler and image editor are both very fickle and will not let me save the screenshot of the logo as a .png since it comes from a sprite and not a regular frame. {{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 21:23, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

==Notice==
:This article was originally created on December 3rd 2004. On June 10th 2005 it was marked for deletion. After a lengthy debate, the decision to delete was made on August 27th, 2005. It was recreated over eight months later, on April 28th, 2006, for a second shot at life. The deleted revisions have been restored for the time being, for a reconsideration of either deletion, or to be kept permanently as an article. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:28, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
:A good point was raised earlier: what is the rationale behing wanting to delete this and to keep, say, [[Jobar's Big Ol' Headache Medicine]]? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:54, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
::I agree delete [[Jobar's Big Ol' Headache Medicine]] as well> [[User:68.239.157.56|68.239.157.56]] 19:41, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
:'''Delete it'''. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:02, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
:Personally, I feel that there're *way* too many pages like this devoted to a minor, one-shot joke. And even a few devoted to *background objects*. I think a general concensus is gonna need to be reached on what to do with these pages. Like Qermaq said, why delete this one and keep so many other near identical pages? I know some people here are against "merging", but there probably *should* be table pages for minor items like this. It just seems more practical than having a whole page with only two lines of text for an item only seen once or twice. Just my two cents worth. -{{User:YK/sig}} 00:45, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

:I say anything that has only one occurrence can be placed on a table page until it makes a second appearance, so in this case the minor foods page should include all pertinent information. Same with a lot of other things (Decemberween gifts, generic backgrounds, etc.) If these things reappear then there is a solid argument for giving them a page. (Although I also think that we do need to make sure that all items in the HR Universe are here for "search and seizure" by those of us who think the idea of Coach Z Ale (and the ilk) is cool.) - [[User:Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|Ilko Skevüld's Teh C]]

::This page should be either merged into [[Cold One]] or the main food and drink page. Though I am a fan of ales myself I agree that there are too many articles about one-shot gags.{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 02:29, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
:::But articles about one-shot gags are what we do best. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::True enough. I've even done [[Free Petry Dish, USA Variation|one]] myself, but that one had a little more content than this. That being said, I honestly don't mind short articles like this all that much. Should be a category for 'em: One-Shot Gags.{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 02:36, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::I agree with DorianGray that one-shot gag articles are part of this wiki, and I don't know why anybody decided to target this one... and a big One-Shot Gags page would be crap. [[User:Mind flux|mind flux]] 03:53, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
'''Merge''' to table along with [[Jobar's Big Ol' Headache Medicine]] and similar one-shot product gags. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:55, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

'''Delete.''' It's already listed in a table in [[Minor Foods]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 02:54, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

== Why has this not come up yet? ==

A good 60% of this article is simply describing the picture...which is ALREADY to the right...Throw the footnotes in with Coach-Z and Time Capsule...it's chuckleworthy enough to be mentioned, but not enough of a gag to need it's own page...
:Describing a picture is a good thing, BTW - users who cannot load images or are sight-impaired need this. Still, this would be beter mentioned in combination with other similar items, as I have noted above. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:11, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
::If it's already in [[Minor Foods]] I see no reason not to leave it as a '''redirect''' to that page and leaving this talk page. Any objections? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 09:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
::: am i missing something? i don't see it listed in Minor Foods {{User:Timmodonuts/sig}} 18:01, 11 February 2020 (UTC)
:::I think that's a perfect solution: I'll go ahead and take a few tidbits from this page and put them on the Minor Foods page, and then I think we can turn this into a redirect. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 19:31, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
::::Done. The only thing I'm not entirely happy about is that the redirect takes you to the top of [[Minor Foods]], instead of [[Minor Foods#Coach Z Ale|the part of the page about Coach Z Ale]], but this might just be the way that redirects work. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 20:00, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

Coach Z's Problems

Timmodonuts — Tue, 11 Feb 2020 17:30:44 GMT

Timmodonuts: moved butt-pat stuff from MISC to PSYCH as it was already addressed and is strange to encounter further down the list as a "double mention"

[[Image:2probs.png|thumb|"The Coach Z says, 'I have more than two prablems.'"]]
As explained in [[Main Page 11]] and [[Who Said What Now?]], [[Coach Z]] has claimed to have '''"more than two problems"'''. An analysis of his behavior shows the following problems:

==[[Alcohol]]ism==
*He has been drunk multiple times, usually on [[Listerine]].
*He spiked the punch at the [[senior prom]] with Listerine.
*He [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 5.0|called]] [[Marzipan]] while drunk, along with [[Bubs]].

==Anti-Social Behavior==
*He wears a [[underlings|disturbingly small bathing suit]] when swimming, and doesn't realize that it makes others uncomfortable.
*It has been implied that he [[Marzipan and Coach Z's Relationship|has a crush on Marzipan]]. He has occasionally made [[Fall Float Parade|"inapprapriate" comments]] about her and has [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 9.2|let it slip]] that he snuck into her house. It now seems that he has been [[Baddest of the Bands|given a]] [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 16.2|restraining order]] prohibiting him from coming within 500 feet of [[Marzipan's house]].
*He's been arrested twice, the first time being sent to a [[Play Date|juvenile prison]] and the second time being tried as a minor, with his own defense lawyer [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 17.2|having trouble believing his innocence]] despite possible evidence exonerating him of his unnamed crime.
*He has been known to respond to "what's up" with information about his [[Big Butts|butt]] or other embarrassing physical problems, according to a [[Decemberween Short Shorts|song about how to be more socially acceptable]], sung by Homestar.
*He [[Homestar Presents: Presents|pretended to get a call from his parents]] during which he lied about having prepared a traditional Decemberween dinner and inviting guests while actually dining alone on Salisbury steak.
*He had [[Strong Badia the Free|previously answered personal date ads]] sent by [[the King of Town]], despite being warned not to.
*He implies that committing [[I Killed Pom Pom|"premeditated murder in cold blood"]] is a normal mistake someone might make.
*He boasts [[Mr. Poofers Must Die|"nobody can get fatally irresponsible with an animal like Coach Z"]].

==Financial==
*He claims he [[These Peoples Try To Fade Me|has money, but not much]].
*He lives in a [[Coach Z's Locker Room|gymnasium locker room]].
**He has also been seen living in the [[Gremlin]] as though it were an [[sbemail206|apartment]].
*He frequently has his power shut off because he [[Homestar Presents: Presents|forgets to pay his bills]].
*He has occasionally [[Blubb-O's Commercial|attempted to be sent to prison]], since he would be guaranteed "three square meals a day".
*He [[secret recipes|can't afford "money cost"]] ice cream.
*He will [[These peoples try to fade me|flow and/or freak for food.]]

==Hygiene==
*He holds the [[record book|record]] for the longest time gone without [[showering]].
*He wears [[shapeshifter|sweaty pants]].
*He [[hremail3184|showers with spit]].

==Lack of Generally Common Knowledge==
*Despite being a coach, he [[secret recipes|doesn't know what a basketball is]].
*He's [[rampage|bad at abbreviations]].
*He claims to [[Sbemail 169 Deleted Scene|only know a few words]], such as "pfargtl", his "favorite animal".
*At one point, he believed that the shower heads in his locker room were his "[[hygiene|drippy, broken speakers]]".
*He believes a [[cardboard box]] with a detached microphone is a [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 15.2|record studio]].
*He thinks [[environment|cooking with hydroelectricity]] means running a hot dog under the shower.

==Medical==
*He has "[[rampage|problems with his feet]]", including [[labor day|athlete's foot]], [[Doomy Tales of the Macabre|bunions, corns, and calluses]].
*He has [[Coach Z's Character Video|mentioned]] [[rampage|several times]] that he [[slumber party|has a bad back]].
*When his bathing suit is removed, he [[underlings|leaks a black fluid]].
*He has [[cliffhangers|bad hand-eye coordination]].
*He once had [[A Decemberween Mackerel|chronic athlete's tongue, rub rash, and hot pooey]].
*He makes squishing noises when [[Fan Costumes 2017|removing his "skin tight green job"]].

==Psychological==
*He [[garage sale|thinks that he is a mother]].
*He [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 8.0|sometimes forgets what's real and what's just in his head]].
*He has an obsession with [[butts]] and [[butt-patting]]. He thinks [[1 step ahead|people touching their own butts]] is a good thing, and is, according to Homestar, "re-known" for his [[trading cards|self-butt pats]].
*He seems to [[Date Nite|believe he's in a relationship with]] [[Bubs]].
*He has [[mini-golf|short-term memory loss]].
*He once asked a [[Wormdingler|drawing he made]] to [[Trogday 08#Easter Eggs|be his bride]].
*He believes that a [[diorama|sketch of a cell phone]] is a real cell phone.
*He does not seem to [[Homestar Ruiner|learn things from his past experience]].
*He asked [[Homestar Runner]] to [[Baddest of the Bands|marry him]].
*He has an [[imaginary|imaginary friend]] named "Real Live Actual Mr. Blangcaster Next Door", who looks very shady by the shape of his outline.

==Speech Impediment==
{{see|Coach Z#Coach Z's Accent|Coach Z's Accent}}

==Miscellaneous==
*He often [[secret recipes|pukes his pants]].
*He carries a bottle of [[Halloween Potion-ma-jig|questionable water]] with him at all times for [[Questionable Services|questionable reasons]].
*Even when he finds he's eating something awful, he [[secret recipes|still eats it]].
*He [[Sbemail 169 Deleted Scene|enjoys covering puke in sawdust]], claiming that "Sawdust makes everything delicious".
*He admits he [[theme park|likes a good chafe]].
*He never seems to notice or complain that there is [[Homestar Ruiner|itching powder in his jock strap]].
*He thinks [[Fall Float Parade|Strong Sad is yellow]].

==See Also==
*[[Crimes Committed by Strong Bad]]
*[[Bubs's Shady Business Practices]]
[[Category: Lists]]
[[Category:Coach Z]]

Talk:Children

Timmodonuts — Fri, 07 Feb 2020 17:41:15 GMT

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==Please Help==
This is such a large topic I am surprised no one has created it yet. Please contribute. --{{User:Slipstream/sig}} 05:46, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

== Necessary? ==

I really doubt that this page is necessary. the user above claims that this topic is so big, so why didn't somebody create it? Children is not really a real topic, IMO. --{{User:Techgeekmbg/sig}} 06:01, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

With so many references, doesn't it qualify as a running gag yet? There are less notable articles on this wiki that are allowed to exist, I am not being biased because I just created it, I just don't see how it's not a real topic.--{{User:Slipstream/sig}} 06:10, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
:Why don't don't you think this isn't necessary Techgeekmbg. I think it's fine. If you think this should be merged into [[Parents]], that's not a likely going to happen. [[PBS]], is possibly a choice. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 14:25, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
I don't really think it's fair to merge into PBS, it's not made completely for children, it's just a public channel--{{User:Slipstream/sig}} 01:36, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
:Children are referenced pretty rarely. And when they are, you don't "see them", they're just mentioned. I don't think we need this.[[User:Timic83|Timic83]] 05:36, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
::This is a stub, there are more references out there, and even still, we have 6 references already, and you see the [[The Sad Kids]] and [[Nibbles]] and surely there are more, how are they not referenced often?--{{User:Slipstream/sig}} 11:10, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
::There are a number of item pages in the wiki (for example [[Boats]]) where the reference is infrequent or rare. If the Children page is deleted (treating it as an item), then the other items that are infrequently mentioned or notice should also be revaluated. This would be a case of list creep. [[User:Wbwolf|Wbwolf]] 02:47, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
:::So...is this going to be resolved any time soon, since nobody is saying anything...--{{User:Slipstream/sig}} 13:35, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
::::6 is more than 3, i remember learning that in school. '''keep''' {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 03:42, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

well, maybe some of the appearences listed don't have very strong connections to actual chldren (i.e., the original book,) but children are a part of the website, and therefore it should stay. --[[User:Acam30|Acam30]] 19:33, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, I say keep it.[[User:Timic83|Timic83]] 22:02, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

OH!!! I just had an idea: '''MERGE CHILDREN WITH [[BABIES]].''' Good idea or bad idea? [[User:Haldo|Haldo]] 21:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:<s>Ba</s>Good idea.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 01:24, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
This page is extremely unnecessary. When I was trying to come up with a suitable rewrite for the introduction, it occurred to me that there isn't anything special about any of the mentions of children on H*R. They never appear in unusual contexts. That differs from something like [[Eggs]], where eggs often show up in weird or memorable places. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 22:28, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:well... the van is odd, but other than that, it's just generic... not sure... '''neutral''' {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:31, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:[[:Image:childrend.png|Well, almost never]]. But I still agree. Not notable! Ding! --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:33, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::I agree with H*C. '''<s>Deete</s> Delort'''{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:35, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Homestar Coder has made a good point... MATT!....or...neutral....[[user:haldo]]
:I change my mind, this article should be deleted because the uses of children are kinda... spoony. {{User:Haldo/sig}}
::This does not run nor is it a gag. Several times characters will blink at regular intervals (Homestar, Marzipan, Strong Sad) and yet that is not even a page. I do , however see reason to merge it with babies (see above). This is much more reoccuring theme. Oh, and I'm going to go make blinking now, and see if it workds. If not, that proves my point.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 01:24, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
:::Don't do that, it's called gaming the system, and it's considred obnoxious. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:25, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
::::I decided against it about two sentances into it. Oh well.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] 01:26, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

== Stub? ==

I attempted to remove the stub listing which was promptly reverted. I understand now it's not about length, it's about what could be added. However, if that were the case, you could theoretically put that stub warning on any list that seems incomplete, and what makes a list seem incomplete over any other list? Thanks in advance for the hearty discussion to follow! {{User:Timmodonuts/sig}} 17:41, 7 February 2020 (UTC)

Talk:Children

Timmodonuts — Fri, 07 Feb 2020 17:41:04 GMT

Timmodonuts: /**/Stub?

Children

Timmodonuts — Thu, 06 Feb 2020 18:40:01 GMT

Timmodonuts: many other pages consisting of similar lists are comparable in length and do not carry a stub warning

[[Image:Childrens.png|thumb|"We need to feed our children so we made this terrible song."]]
Despite [[Strong Bad]] insisting that [[for kids|he is strictly not for children]], [[homestarrunner.com]] contains many references to '''children''' in general. [[The Sad Kids]] are actual characters in the [[Homestar Runner universe]].

==Appearances==
*[[Original Book]] — [[Mike Chapman]] and [[Craig Zobel]] write a parody of books written for children.
*Email [[sisters]] — Strong Bad sarcastically remarks he'll save a poorly written email to show his kids.
*[[Teen Girl Squad Issue 2]] — The No I in Team boy gets run over by the "CHILDREN" van.
*[[Super Brave!!]] — School children send pictures of Homestar.
*Email [[personal favorites]] — Strong Bad remarks on how "his emails are like his childrens".
*Email [[kids' book]] — Strong Bad "writes" a book for kids.
*Email [[for kids]] — [[Homsar]] hosts a children's TV show.
*Email [[bottom 10]] — [[Limozeen]] releases an album entitled "Feed the Childrens".
*[[Grumblecakes (video)|Grumblecakes]] — Strong Bad, speaking about [[grumblecakes]], says, "I feeds my kids with em".
*[[Fall Float Parade]] — [[Coach Z]] says that the [[Marshie]] balloon has got to frighten some children.
*Email [[secret identity]] — Strong Bad says that he has children in his [[Secret Identities#Vance Mudgeman|secret family]] in Broiter Grove.
*Email [[alternate universe]] — [[Senor Cardgage]] sings about "[letting] the little childrens go".
*[[Trogday 08]] — Children join Strong Bad's song.
*[[Sickly Sam's Big Outing]] — The first line and the page title both mention "short children".
*[[Blubb-O's Commercial]] — Coach Z introduces himself to the kids as the [[Drive-Thru Whale]], and says he'll "chop off their legs".
*[[Costume Commercial]] — The announcer attempts to sell "[[Homestar Runner Halloween Costumes & Products]]" to kids.
*[[Coach Z's 110%]] — Coach Z advertises that his videos will get the "results your youngster needs".
*[[On Break]] — Strong Bad mentions children bothering him while he is in the [[Tragic Clown Dog]] costume. Coach Z mentions that he scoops up children and throws them into the ball bath, but finds that one is trapped in the head of his costume.
*[[Punkin Show]] — Homestar warns that one of the [[pumpkins]] may be "unsuitable for childrens".
*[[Poker Night at the Inventory]] — Strong Bad mentions he could join the RED team with the Heavy to watch the team get grenaded by eight-year-olds.

==See also==
*[[Babies]]
*[[Parents]]
*[[Ages of Characters]]
[[Category:Inside Jokes]]

Talk:Characters' Injuries

Timmodonuts — Wed, 29 Jan 2020 14:20:35 GMT

Timmodonuts: /* Get rid of some */

==Idea==
I thought that this has happened so often that it deserved a page. See [[Talk:Donut Unto Others]]. {{User:Open Source Greg/sig}} 10:41, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
:This is lots of fun to edit. [[User:Omnisweater|Omnisweater]] 22:45, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
::It sure is! [[User:Do-Nots|Do-Nots]] 14:50, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

== Stub ==

Is this page REALLY a stub anymore? {{User:Jagger88/sig}} 11:08, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
:Is every single possible injury from every single toon/game<strike>/characters</strike> listed? If not, then it's still a stub. If every single one ''is'' listed, then you can remove the stub tag. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 11:17, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
::Ok, thanks for clearing that up. {{User:Jagger88/sig}} 06:17, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

== Get rid of some ==

Is it worth recording the injuries that may or may not have actually happened? Was thinking delete (but didn't want to be bold) or move to a different section.

The ones in question:
Email your friends — Strong Bad convinces Homestar to stick his head into a tub full of "hot lava". It is unknown whether or not Homestar proceeds to do so.
Email invisibility — In Strong Bad's imagination, he is sat on and crushed by Strong Mad.
Email your friends — It is implied that Strong Bad attempts to cut Marzipan's hands (if she has any) with a saw blade. It is unknown whether or not he succeeds.
Email shapeshifter — Marzipan is attacked by a rabid The Cheat. However, the scene is cut shorty before it is shown whether she is hurt.
Email the bet — It is implied that Strong Bad drops a Typing Tutor Turbo arcade machine on The King of Town. However, the scene is cut before Strong bad drops the machine, so it is possible that the King of Town was left unharmed.

Also, this one caused no damage, so no injury? (Strong Badia the Free — Strong Bad's explosive collar explodes when he tries to leave his house in the first part of the game. Strangely, the explosion does no apparent physical damage to his body, or to the collar itself.) {{User:Timmodonuts/sig}} 14:20, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Timmodonuts — Wed, 22 Jan 2020 02:30:40 GMT

Timmodonuts: /* Using Show Preview */

== Using Show Preview ==
Hello Timmodonuts, I see that you have made several consecutive edits to the same page. I want to point out the Show Preview button. It's right next to the Save Page button when you edit. You should use it whenever you are making a lot of experimental edits, for example when you are trying to get formatting right. Using the Show Preview button is quicker and easier than saving and clicking "edit" again, and will keep [[Special:Recentchanges|recent changes]] and page histories from being flooded. Thanks, [[User:Stux|Stux]] 19:42, 19 January 2020 (UTC)

:you are so right stux, my bad, lol, rock on {{User:Timmodonuts/sig}} 02:30, 22 January 2020 (UTC)

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Timmodonuts — Wed, 22 Jan 2020 02:27:13 GMT

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Timmodonuts — Sun, 19 Jan 2020 19:28:52 GMT

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