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Talk:Kick-A-Ball

TreeWithAChainsaw — Tue, 31 Mar 2009 22:08:46 GMT

TreeWithAChainsaw:

I guess living in Hawaii means I'm the only one awake. :-P Anyway, I don't really know the procedures and protocols for the transcripting and the placenaming and characterlisting, so I'll stay out of that. And I don't have a forum account, so I won't post a thread there, I guess. But I started this off. [[User:Grumblebaker|Grumblebaker]] 03:28, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:That's good to know. But it doesn't need to go here, sorry. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 03:34, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Rapid blinking ==

Right after Homestar says Strong Bad "has to be quicker next time" he begins blinking at a very excessive rate. What do you think? a goof? a remark? What say you? --Domestibot
:You're right. Has anyone else noticed this? {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 21:11, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
::Yeah. I think it should go in "remarks". [[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 21:50, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

== Carti-what Bode-what ==

well, trying to figure out the devil the couplets are called, and wondering: bodélé depression is a place in the sahara desert (depression?) and cartier is a what? (although there is a ''alain chartier'' who was a french poet) thoughts or alternatives? --[[User:Neumannz|Neumannz]] 06:28, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:The name Bodélé doesn't seem to exist outside of that obscure Sahara Desert reference. By contrast, Bodelet, like Cartier, is a common French surname, and is a more likely spelling. -Lydia
::I was thinking perhaps it was Homestar's pronunciation of [[Wikipedia:Charles_Baudelaire|Baudelaire]]? Perhaps a portmanteau with a Cartier Somebody whom I don't know about? (On a related note, "beige malaise" yields a surprising number of [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22beige+malaise%22 hits] predating this toon.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 13:50, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

== Potato who? ==
What does one-potato-two-potato mean? I mean, ''does'' it mean something or did they just make it up? --[[User:Cass from Germany|Cass from Germany]] 09:59, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:It's a kind of [[Wikipedia:Counting-out game|counting-out game]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 10:02, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Coincidence? ==

I think that the Sideways Stories From Wayside School reference is just a coincidence. I don't think they were referencing that at the time, I think it was just something odd homestar did.
:You're right. I can't see any link between this toon and that (obscure?) childrens' book. Strong Bad did not lose because of his poor kicking ability. Strong Bad lost because Strong Sad caught the ball. There is no connection, apart from the fact that kickball features in both media. '''Stretch.''' {{User:The Chort/sig}} 12:44, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
::There is a slight connection in that Ron's team consisted of only himself and Louis, versus a much larger team, but I agree that it's a stretch anyways. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 13:41, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== weclome back ==

The music in this toon sounds like the music from Weclome Back. --{{User:Fangoriously/SIGGY HERE!}} 14:31, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
:It's noted in the trivia section already. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:15, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Title ==

Why does the title card say "Kick-a Ball!" if the Toons menu says "Kick-A-Ball"? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.140|132.183.151.140]] 17:32, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Bubs ==

Does Bubs look a little different to anyone else? I think it's something with his eyes.--{{User:T3H_CH3K7_888/sig}} 18:44, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

You can also see the bottom line of a mouth at one point. - [[User:Guy in a Box|Guy in a Box]] 20:58, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

== Sonic? ==

During the coin toss, Homestar sounds like
he's saying "Sides" instead of "Sonic".
Anyone think that?
:That "Sonic" is much more funny. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 16:37, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
::I honestly can hear it eaither way. If i'm listening for "Sonic" I hear "Sonic". If i listen for "sides" i head "sides". If i'm not listening for anything specific i hear "sah". I say we give TBC the benefit of the doubt and go with the funnier one, which is clearly "sonic". {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 16:48, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

== Strong Mad's first crap ==

*This marks the first time Strong Mad has ever said [[crap]].
I've removed this fact several times for not being notable, and it keeps getting put back, so rather than revert warring, i'm bringing it here. I don't think it's notable to mention the first time people say words, whether it's a running gag word or not. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:11, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
:Sorry for pointing this out, but that is the funniest header I've ever read. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 17:14, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
::That was the point. Now how about an opinion? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:15, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
:::I knew Strong Mad's mental capacity was around that of a kindergartener, but I didn't realize he was just now being potty trained. But in seriousness, I agree with Defender. Also, thank you for using talk in this situation. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.140|132.183.151.140]] 17:18, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
::::Haven't we had similar discussions of this before? I think it was on [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]], wherein Marzipan said "crap". See also [[Talk:3 Times Halloween Funjob#Unnotable]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:40, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
:::::I think there's a case for including it for Marzipan, since it seems a bit out of character for her. (Not saying we should add it there; just that there's a case.) I don't think it's too out of character for Strong Mad, though, so I wouldn't note it here. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 04:00, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:I don't really think it's worth mentioning. Then again, I don't think we need an article listing every time Strong Bad smiles (which probably happens even more often than a character says "crap") so make of my opinion what you will.[[User:Some kind of scientist|Some kind of scientist]] 15:10, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
::I'd agrae, put it on, put it on, put it on! [[User:MICGAGUH]]
I think it should be noted. It really surprised me when I read it, how Strong Bad's biggest lackey, and a main character for 9 years, never said the word "crap". {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 16:41, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

== Commish again ==

Is it worth noting that SB's rule change signature of "The Commish" is probably a reference to the TV show of the same name?
It's been referenced before as one of the tapes in the VCR on the [[Character Videos]] page. [[Special:Contributions/71.254.118.93|71.254.118.93]] 02:28, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
:I don't think its a reference to that. For all we know, it could be a reference to those "Commish" Bud-Light commercials. But I think the gag is just a reference to professional sport commissioners as a whole. {{User:DevonM/sig}} 15:53, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

== Isle of Pom? ==

Do you think the island that Tim-Tom was on could've been the Isle of Poms? Just a thought...
:Actually, that's not an unlikely possiblity. Note that Tim Tom seems to live near a beach, whereas The Isle of Poms, for no logical reason whatsoever, resembles a medicine capsule. Perhaps the beach is part of the Isle of Poms and TBC have decided to abandon the idea of a capsule for a proper island. It's a bit speculative at the moment though, so I wouldn't jump to any conclusions and start changing the articles until TBC release another toon set on the Isle of Poms. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 19:50, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

== Tim-Tom? ==

How do we know what Tim-Tom's name is? I don't see anything regarding it.
:Strong bad claims that the ball is Pom Pom's cousin, then Homestar says "You mean Tim Tom?" [[User:Omnisweater|Omnisweater]] 21:39, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

== Oooooooooo...Kay? ==
Can Strong Bad saying Oooooo.. kay be a reference to [[Teen Girl Squad 11]], where [[So and So]] says it?---{{User:Record307/sig}} 18:02, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
:I doubt it, it'd be "ummkay" if that were the case. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:09, 23 March 2009 (UTC)
::Basically the same thing.--{{User:Record307/sig}} 19:00, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

:::Don't think it's too similar. Even another "umm kay" wouldn't seem like a reference to me - they're just things people say... [[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 21:49, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

== Unfair Pick ==
So I've been thinking about this for a few days and finally reached the following Conclusion: Strong Sad was on Strong Bad's Team even though Homestar called him. Allow me to explain, because this obviously contradicts the toon. First, Homestar picks Pom-Pom. Strong Bad makes a pick AND THEN Homestar picks Pom-Pom again, which also counts as a valid pick. Cut to Strong Sad, Homestar yells out Pom-Pom first and then another thing, making that his valid picks and nullifying his double-side-whisper-draft because it would have to be a triple-side-whisper-draft to account for the third pick (which I cannot remember), instead of Strong Sad. He also allows Strong Bad to pick Strong Sad as a team-mate without calling the whisper draft (perfectly legal according to the "rule" book) and telling him he can't in much the same way he did with Pom-Pom. By not calling Strong Sad then, he nulled his own cheating by allowing Strong Bad to pick. So there it is, let the "your wrong"s abound! [[User:Stinkoblade|Stinkoblade]] 13:52, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
:Au the contrary. Strong Bad never technically called Strong Sad either, merely telling him to play 8th base. He was given the opportunity, but never took advantage of it. So Strong Sad is either on Homestar's team, or on no team at all. -[[Special:Contributions/76.119.99.198|76.119.99.198]] 14:36, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
::Didn't Homestar just say "Bullpen!" which would probably be like saying to get over to the "bullpen" which would refer to Homestar's team, which would mean the second thing he exclaimed wasn't a pick?--[[User:Topmonhit|Topmonhit]] 18:56, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
Yep. [[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 18:03, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

==They can't fill all the positions, can they?==

Wow. Can't believe I'm actually doing this. Er, uh, when The Cheat "kicks" the ball, Homestar's feet are behind home plate; when he lands near the base, Homestar's feet appear again on the field near the base. Would this count as [[Duplicate Characters]] or no since the feet don't appear at the exact same time (which actually would be like in Homestar Ruiner anyway so...) And while I'm asking stuff, it's mentioned in the transcript while Homestar is repeating what the Announcer said that The Cheat was on the base behind him, but it doesn't mention Strong Sad could be seen in the background during the Announcer's scene. Just wondering if there's a reason for that.--[[User:Topmonhit|Topmonhit]] 18:56, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

== And Strong Sad ==

If you slow down what homestar said, does it really say "and strong sad"? {{User:The thing/sig}} 19:58, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
:Probably not. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 21:02, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
::No. He says the same thing, just slowed down a bit. I checked. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 02:40, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

== And I have no idea who I'm commenting to! ==

This is really more of a side note, but it's one that has kinda been bugging me for a while. Does anyone else think that the Announcers comment that he doesn't know who he's broadcasting to be included as an inside reference to just how severely underpopulated Free Country, USA apparently is? I'm not sure myself if it should be noted, or if it's enough to just mention it here in the discussion.--{{User:DongleGoblin/sig}} 17:41, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
:Hmm... I never thought of it like that, but since all main characters but one were playing in the match, I suppose it probably is a reference to that. You can add it if you like. [[User:Flicky1991|Flicky1991]] 18:25, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
::I would call that explaining the joke. Yes, that's exactly what they're referring to. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 17:30, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

== KOT Can't Jump ==

The part where the king of town strikes out may be a reference to [[Super Kingio Bros]]. Or it's just keeping consistency...
: You don't need to be able to jump to play kickball. The movement was just to show that he was trying (and failing) to kick the ball. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:03, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

== Arial view of homestar ==
This is not the only video where you can see an arial view of Homestar. You can see another view of him in [[Best Caper Ever]], if you take a close up view of him on the satellite view. [[User:The Pony man|The Pony man]] 00:47, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

== Little Stevie ==
Could this be a reference to Stevie Wonder? He first became popular when he was a kid, going by the name "Little Stevie Wonder". [[User:TreeWithAChainsaw|TreeWithAChainsaw]] 22:08, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Jibblies 2

TreeWithAChainsaw — Fri, 11 Jan 2008 22:28:39 GMT

TreeWithAChainsaw: Giblet explaining?

== 2 things ==
1. this is the first/ maybe 2nd time strong bad closes is eyes
2. strong bad breaks the 4th wall by refrencing the title of the toon
[[User:Foogs|Foogs.]] 22:35, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

::Not to mention by referring to Coach Z, the Poopsmith and the KOT as "characters." -invisible_map

==Stick Costume==
Does anyone know what [[The Stick]] was supposed to be dressed as? For some random reason, I'm thinking Donald Duck. -[[User:141.133.145.118|141.133.145.118]] 00:19, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:nvm, just looked at the costume page. It's so fitting now! -[[User:141.133.145.118|141.133.145.118]] 00:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::The Stick is Lowly Worm. [[User:207.62.231.2|207.62.231.2]] 00:23, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:::I think that you think The Stick is Donald is because of Donald's Robin Hood get-up. {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}
::::Robin Hood was played by Daffy. Keep your ducks straight! --{{User:Bigscarymike/sig}} 03:58, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::But why do Strong Bad and Homestar insult The Stick? Does it have something to do with the Lowly Worm get up?[[User:128.104.61.243|128.104.61.243]] 19:56, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::::::I too would like to know why they both insult The Stick - I don't think there's a history of this? --[[User:Bombcar|Bombcar]] 16:03, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Not to reopen old discussions, but does anyone know the answer to this? I don't, so I think it's worth an explaination on the page [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 01:21, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

== No Interactivity ==

Does anyone else believe this toon broke a tradition for h*r halloween specials? In 2001, they had that trick-or-treat game, in 2003, they had a brief scene making fun of the trick-or-treat game, and in 2005, they had a potion game. This would be the 1st h*r Halloween special out of the ones released in an odd-numbered year not to include interactivity other than the usual Easter Eggs. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 00:33, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:...Ummm, yeah. Odd numbered years. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 03:43, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:...Ummm, yeah. It's 2007.

I agree with Bad Bad Guy; where would I add it, though? the trivia section or the remarks section?

Ya and in every other ween toon also has a party of some sort, this one is actually like a cheesey horror movie!

== About the mirror ==

There have been mirrors like that before the release of the Man of the Year 2006 issue (I caught a glimpse of one in a movie when flipping channels). I think saying it is a reference to that exact issue is a bit of a stretch. [[User:207.119.175.50|207.119.175.50]] 00:34, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the mirror is a reference to an actual mirror of that type, similar to the one featured in The Big Lebowski. (The Dude peers into this mirror in The Big Lebowski's office.) [http://www.popamericana.com/!/Man%20of%20the%20Year.jpg Link] The "You" cover is too big of a stretch, especially when one of Pom-Pom's previous costumes was Walter Sobchak. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 01:40, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:Big Lebowski - probably. Time magazine - no. It looks EXACTLY like the Big Lebowski mirror and NOTHING like the Time magazine cover. I remember you used to be able to buy those mirrors, a looong time ago. [[User:Stev0|Stev0]] 18:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::Was Nikolai Volkoff ever on the cover of Time? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 02:09, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
:::No, but neither was The Dude. [[User:Stev0|Stev0]] 15:21, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Regardless of Lebowski or MOTY '06, it still refers to Time's Man of the Year practice, doesn't it? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 03:54, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
:That's true, but as written right now, that's already linked to. [[User:Stev0|Stev0]] 15:21, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
::The reference got edited all up with the "You" business, and then the whole thing got deleted. The Big Lebowski reference is so obvious (see my link above) that I had to put it back in. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 02:00, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

== Kids Choice Awards ==

When Marzipan says, "I don't know" and then the green slime oozes on her, that was a reference to the Nick Kids Choice Awards.-[[User:Ava|Ava]] 00:50, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:Actually, from what I've heard, the Nickolodeon slime tradition began on YCDTOTV. -[[User:141.133.145.118|141.133.145.118]] 01:49, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::Regardless of where Nickelodeon got that tradition, that's a *direct* reference to TCDTOTV, where saying "I don't know" would get you slimed. *remembers watching that show as a kid* -{{User:YK/sig}} 01:52, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Yep, and as clicking on Ross calls on the scene, I'd say it's an homage to YCDTOTV. It isn't even the first reference to that show on this site. Surprised they didn't throw in a "water" gag too. [[User:PlasticDiverGuy|PlasticDiverGuy]] 04:44, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::::''{PlasticDiverGuy gets drenched with water}'' (Sorry, I couldn't resist. =P) -{{User:YK/sig}} 06:47, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

== Shower scene? ==

The following fact was STUFFed — let's see it can be resolved here first:
<blockquote>
Coach Z's shower scene is a reference to the famous shower scene in the horror movie Psycho.
</blockquote>
There was one vote and an argument against, from [[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]]: "I've seen the original Psycho and it's nothing alike it except they're in a shower." So, what do people think. Is this a reference or not, and why? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:I think that the connection to Psycho is tenuous at best. Coach Z's scene did not feature several closeups of him being attacked, nor was there the trademark high pitched staccato strings. Those would be the strongest connections to the film. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 01:23, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::I think that Coach Z's line before getting attacked is a reference, not the attack itself. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 01:28, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

:::Wbwolf, I think you're right — if it was a reference to ''Psycho'', they really would have used the trademark music. More likely, it's just a nod to the typical "shower scene" in horror movies (which originated with ''Psycho'', I think). So, mayhaps the fact could be modified to refer to the stereotypical scene, rather than this specific movie. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 01:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:I'd say this is more generally a reference to the fact that horror film starlettes are so often caught by the bad guy while in the shower. This is perhaps a subclause of the convention that the token hot chick will always die during or immediately following her topless scene. That being said, I don't think this warrants an explanatory note. [[User:Telamon|-Telamon]] 01:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::Hey. I'm the guy who originally posted this fact. As soon as Coach Z said that "a pretty thing like him" would be perfectly safe in the shower, I knew that it was a reference to those horror movies in which the heroine dies. Psycho was just the first one to come to mind because it was so well known. -[[User:141.133.145.118|141.133.145.118]] 02:08, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

==Classic Nick==

There's a classic Nickelodeon theme going.

The Stick: Lowly Worm from Busy World of Richard Scarry: early Nick Jr.

Strong Bad: Beetlejuice, from a cartoon on Nick

Homestar: Artie, from Pete & Pete which was on Nick in the 80s and 90s

Homsar: the Typewriter guy from Sesame Street, which was once on Nick

You Can't Do That On Television- on Nick in the 80s

[[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 01:32, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
: Beetlejuice was not a cartoon that was exclusive to Nickelodeon, but ran on other outlets (including Cartoon Network) throughout the 1990s. I know Sesame Street is on Noggin, Nick/CTW's spin-off, but I don't think it was on Nick proper. Still, three references (two exclusive, since Richard Scarry was also a series of books) is pretty strong. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 01:37, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::What about The Cheat? Was Danger Mouse on Nick too? -[[User:141.133.145.118|141.133.145.118]] 01:48, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Yeah, it was, as far as I can remember... back in the late '80s, early '90s, I believe. -{{User:YK/sig}} 01:50, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

It was on TCC before Nick, however I like the fact that this is my most reconised costume episode so far. [[User:MJN SEIFER|MJN SEIFER]] 19:31, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
::Beetlejuice was on Nick in syndication in the 90s. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 20:48, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

==Marzipan's answering machine==
Have any of you noticed that the number of messages on Marzipan's answering machine is [[Wikipedia:Number of the Beast|666]]? Does that mean the jibblies would have affected everybody
until the're dead?-[[User:Don't say jorb 101|Don't say jorb 101]]
*I am under the impression it's just foreshadowing who the caller is... the number has demonic connotations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast and more specifically http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast#Culture_and_psychology --[[User:70.106.82.44|70.106.82.44]] 03:05, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:It just means that the rocoulm or whatever has taken over the answering machine. Presumably it picking up the call possessed it -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]] 18:04, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

== MArzipan's guitar ==

Hey did anyone else notice that marzipan's guitar only has five strings?

:Didn't notice it. Her guitar looks like an Edwards PR-100 made by ESP though. (Search "EDWARDS by ESP PR-100" on Google and click the eBay link to see pictures)

== Hammakers Slammakers? ==

I believe that the store when StrongBad tried to find a Xenomorph costume is supposed to be combination of Hammacher Schlemmer, a catalog store for high-end, luxery gifts (like The Sharper Image) and ''Hammer's Slammers'', a series of military science fiction novels and short stories by David Drake.
:Only the first one, as the second one doesn't fit at all. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:36, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

== "Human Grate on my nerves" ==

*It sounds like "Human Gettin' on my nerves" to me. Which doesn't make any sense, but that's par for the course, really. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 03:45, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
**I hear grate. As in grating nerves. --[[User:70.106.82.44|70.106.82.44]] 14:19, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
***Geez, 0 for two. :( [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 23:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Bad smiling ==

*Is he smiling? I think the curve of the Beetlejuice teeth make it ''look'' as though he's smiling, but if you look closer it's his usual face. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 03:45, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
: Yes. The whole toon. Follow the contours of his mouth. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 03:56, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::Well blow me down, so he is. :/ [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 04:19, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, he goes back to his normal face right before he gets jibbilied. {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}
:When you wear fake teeth, you wanna show 'em off! Ever see a little kid wearing them on Halloween? All wide grins and growls so you can see the teeth. lol. -- [[User:208.60.233.161|208.60.233.161]] 20:34, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

== misc ==

A) Does anyone notice anything...unusual...about the football trophy?
B) I don't hear Strong Sad saying "Xenomorph." I hear "Beatlemorph" or "Beatleborgs" or something, as if he's trying to say "Beatlejuice" three times.
--[[User:71.203.169.248|71.203.169.248]] 04:03, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
: a) What football trophy? The [[golbol]] looks normal to me. b) Strong Sad is clearly saying "Xenomorph"; he's correcting Coach Z's generic use of the word "alien" (in the [[Jibblies 2 Teaser]], a silhouette of a Xenomorph costume is seen in place of Strong Bad.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:22, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::I think he means the football trophy in Strong Mad's room, but I didn't notice anything remarkable about it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 08:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

== Homsar smiling? ==

I don't think I've ever witnessed this happen before. Did he ever have such a wide smile in any other cartoon?--[[User:75.62.6.158|75.62.6.158]] 04:42, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:I believe the reason his smile is so wide in this cartoon is to portray his chin as the top of the paper in the typewriter as best as possible without cutting off the top of his head. - [[User:PlasticDiverGuy|PlasticDiverGuy]] 06:14, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

== Volkov ==

Someone wrote under "goofs" that "Volkoff" is a misspelling of "Volkov." This is incorrect. Russian uses the Cyrillic alphabet, and there are a number of different ways of transliterating it into ours. I've seen final "v"s and final "ff"s used interchangeably all over the place -- for instance, "Prokofiev" vs. "Prokofieff," "Rachmaninov" vs. "Rachmaninoff." The "v" is the preferred transliteration in academic/linguistic contexts, but in everday use, they're both pretty common. In fact, the Wikipedia article calls him "Volkoff." -invisible_map

: Oops, I watched the toon again, and TBC spell it "Volkov," so I must have misread the "goofs" section. Either way, though, they're both acceptable spellings.

:Transliteration from the Russian alphabet really isn't the issue though. If Strong Mad is meant to be the former WWE wrestler Nikolai Volkoff, the Brothers Chaps made a spelling mistake, since the name has always been Volkoff in English. - [[User:Boffo97|Boffo97]] 13:43, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

:: Traditional spellings of names from languages with different writing systems are sometimes changed to more accurately reflect the pronunciation. For instance, "Mao Tse-Tung" is usually spelled "Mao Zedong" now. Sometimes the old spelling is so well-known that change is slow to catch on -- for instance, people almost always write "Lao-Tzu" for the Daoist/Taoist philosopher, even though "Laozi" is the preferred spelling among people who study this stuff. Same thing with "Prokofiev" (which has totally displaced "Prokofieff" vs. "Rachmaninov" (which is still less common than "Rachmaninoff"). Here's my point: even if "Volkoff" is the traditional and more common spelling, "Volkov" is not *wrong*. In fact, it's probably closer to the way it actually sounds in Russian (though I'd want to ask a Russian-speaker to verify that). And "Nikolai Volkov" gets 11,000 hits on Google.

:::Yes, I know what transliteration is. The point is, despite its appearance, the name "Nikolai Volkoff", as relates to the former pro wrestler, was never in the Russian alphabet. It was devised in English. It was flashed on screen before every one of his matches. Therefore, *for this case*, "Nikolai Volkoff" is correct, and "Nikolai Volkov" is wrong. If we were dealing with a name devised in a non English alphabet we were transliterating, then what you were saying would be correct. We are not. - [[User:Boffo97|Boffo97]] 19:17, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

::::Re "I know what transliteration is": I'm sorry if you thought I was being patronizing. I wasn't trying to explain what transliteration was -- I was talking about how it changes historically, which you didn't seem to be taking into account. But I didn't realize that "Nikolai Volkoff" wasn't his real name until now. Since he totally made it up, you're right. Never mind!

:::::Even if a name changes historically, if we're dealing with people who have made their own transition from another alphabet to ours, they are the ones who are picking how the transliteration occurs. Suppose Nikolai Volkoff was his real name. Or even that his family had a few generations in this alphabet using the Volkoff spelling. It'd be the height of arrogance to tell them that Volkov is also a correct spelling. My last name is Hines, from the German. It comes from very similar roots as Heinz, and there isn't the transliteration problem, but Hines is correct and Heinz is wrong. Simple as that. Now for people whose name was never transliterated (such as Genghis/Chingiz Khan), then, yes, you have a point. - [[User:Boffo97|Boffo97]] 23:10, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm a Russian speaker, and I can tell you that the Russian "v" (or "в" in cyrillic) is often "de-voiced" -- that is, it sounds like an "f." However, it's still spelled the same in cyrillic. Therefore, although the "f" sound might be closer to the actual Russian pronunciation, for consistency's sake, I would normally spell it with a "v," since most English speakers probably will not know when or how to use the "de-voiced" spelling. However, a lot of Russian names are traditionally romanized with "ff" (such as Rachmaninoff) so it gets a bit confusing. Your best bet is to put down the most widely-used one.

On a similar note, I've put a more-correct definition and pronunciation of the word "русский" (roughly pronounced "rooski") on the section with the slang term for Russians ("Russkie"). (This was before I created my account a minute or so ago.) [[User:Graymornings|Graymornings]] 16:56, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

== 2 Forum Topics ==

<s>Would it be better for us to link to [http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=12733
the forum topic] that started 1st or [http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=12732 the forum topic] with more replies? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 12:57, 30 October 2007 (UTC)</s>
:I just found out the 1 created 1st ''was'' the 1 with more replies. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 23:34, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

== Creep...wha? ==
{{Audio|Creep.ogg|Listen to the (filtered) quote}}

The transcript has "creep-take", the subtitles have "creep-cake". Sounds to me like Homestar's saying "creepsake" as a pun on keepsake. [[User:TTEchidna|TTEchidna]] 16:11, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:It's Creepstakes. Like Sweepstakes. -- [[User:208.60.233.69|208.60.233.69]] 17:46, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:Whereas I heard it as Creepcakes. Like cupcakes. Or crabcakes. This could go on forever! [[User:83.67.65.98|83.67.65.98]] 23:26, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::It's distinctly "Creep-take". There are no audible S sounds anywhere in the vicinity of that word. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:44, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
:::It's Creep-stakes. Remember Homestar's lisp, and listen closer. Think - Creep-take makes no sense. Creep-stakes is a portmaneu. I've watched it multiple times with headphones, etc. It's creep-stakes. I'm putting it back since it's ... you know ... correct. -- [[User:208.60.233.43|208.60.233.43]] 22:43, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
::::Homestar doesn't have a lisp; he has trouble with his awws. Er, R's. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 22:55, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I've heard creep-take ever since the first viewing. Now after focusing on it, I give creep-take my vote of confidence. I give creep-cake an understandable interpretation. Creep-s[t]ake doesn't cut it. Note: ''Get headphones!'' Props to 208.60.233.43 for mentioning that you listened to it with them, but I think your reasoning is flawed by saying Homestar has a lisp. I also think that your headphones or brain is putting to much emphasis on the white-noise feature created around the hard consonants T and K by the reduced sound quality. Perhaps try to "trick" your brain into thinking that it's "take" and see if you can hear it then. You can practice with the ''I think you're cute / I hate your shoes'' line in [[disconnected]]. I'm able to hear it both ways there, but I can't do it with take/stakes. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 03:29, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
:Creep-take is what it sounds most like, but it could easily be creepcake and for portmanteaus it makes more sense. So, how do we list this on [[portmanteaus]]? Or do we? {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 05:52, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
::No, we don't, because you just said it sounds like creeptake. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 06:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
:::If we can reach a concesus well enough to put it in this article (unlike the ''I think you're cute / I hate your shoes'' debate you brought up), I think we can safely use the concesus to extend this term to the portmanteaus page. Anyway, more and more it seems (to me) that "creepcake" is what it is. The whole cupcake vs. crabcake question leaves me in doubt, though. I lean toward cupcake, since it's more likely a play on a term of endearment and "crabcake" ain't a term of endearment. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 06:38, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
::::I hear creeptake. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:19, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::Still hearing that myself. I know I've also heard Strong Bad use the phrase "crap-take", but I can't find it. It's part of my point anyway, though. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 07:21, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

'''CREEP TAKE doesn't make any SENSE''' as a Homestar line OR a Brothers Chaps line. It is ''nothing''. Creepstakes is Sweepstakes with a "Cr" and it's definitely not "cake" what is wrong with this wiki?? -- [[User:208.60.233.25|208.60.233.25]] 15:25, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
:Annnd where does it say that H*R has to make any sense? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
:I agree with this guy. It definitely sounds like Creepstakes, i.e. Sweepstakes with a Cr.[[User:134.174.140.208|134.174.140.208]] 05:58, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
::Again, there are no Ss anywhere near the pronounciation of the word. It's take. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 03:26, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
:::I also vote for Creep-take. I can't hear an S anywhere in the word, especially not at the end. If anything, it might be "creepstake" but I really don't think that's it. ([[User:Some kind of scientist|Some kind of scientist]] 04:00, 2 November 2007 (UTC))
::::Like the OP said, though, Creep-take doens't have any logical explanation that anyone has offered. Maybe it's Creepskate, like cheapskate. How do you sign posts?[[User:134.174.140.208|134.174.140.208]] 05:58, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::Why does there NEED to be any logic to it? It's Homestar Runner. (And you can sign posts by typing 4 tildes, or <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>.) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:51, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::Thanks for that. Anyway, it just seems like there must be a rationale for the construction Homestar uses. And I just listened to it again and I still here the S's, especially at the end. But alas. [[User:134.174.140.208|134.174.140.208]] 05:58, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Speakers? Headphones? Did you try using the listening method I described to see why the other side thinks they hear what they hear? —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 13:24, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

As of right now,
* Take: BazookaJoe, DorianGray, Heimstern, Some kind of scientist, (Jay), OptimisticFool
* Cake: <s>OptimisticFool</s>, 83.67.65.98, (Jay)
* Stake(s): 208.60.233.XX, 134.174.140.208
* Sake: TTEchidna

Did I miss anybody? —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 13:24, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
:Sorry I'm late to the party, but I was just re-watching last year's toon, [[Happy Hallow-day]], and noticed that when The Goblin appears, Strong Bad says "What's this crap-take?" Perhaps Homestar's "creep-take" is a reference? — [[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]] 20:49, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
::I changed my vote (back) to creep-take. As much as I'd like it to be a portmanteau of creep and cupcake, it just isn't. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 21:06, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I listened to the audio at the voice studio where I do occasional voice-overs for anime, I'm not going to say "ZOMG THEY HAS THE BEST SOUND EQUIPMENT EVAR" but it's easy for them to digitall record, isolate, enhance, etc. Homestar is saying "Creep-Stakes", but the "s" sounds are hard to hear because of his special way of talking (Not a lisp, but if you listen to how he speaks, he says "S" differently than what one would consider "normal" along with the fact that the line is delivered quickly. Once and for all, it's definitely "Creepstakes". I'll e-mail TBC and see if they reply on this subject if you guys keep pressing it based on your personal opinion rather than what's on the audio. -- [[User:208.60.233.4|208.60.233.4]] 20:43, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
:Feel free, but knock it off with the assumptions of bad faith. We do hear "creep-take"; it's not an attempt to push our opinions off on the article, and the fact that you are convinced we are wrong does not make it so. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 20:47, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
::Anony, will you provide us with an enhanced audio file, since you went to the trouble..? {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 20:48, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Haha. Sure. Next time I'm in the studio I'll see if I can get them to load the site ''again'', enhance the audio ''again'', and put the file on a disk for me. That is, if TBC don't reply before the next session I'm hired for. -- [[User:208.60.233.4|208.60.233.4]] 20:55, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
::::That'd be great, thanks. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 20:57, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
::I'm not assuming bad faith, you are by reverting the correct info. I've given nothing but rock-solid evidence in the form of the quote not making sense, meaning nothing, and having no relation to any work past or present that TBC have done - and you basically have the support of a handful of people who looked at this page. (And not even ALL the people who did.) If someone came along and edited "Hey, Homestar!" to "Play, Romroar!" because that's what they 'heard' another character say, you'd revert it for being obviously wrong, correct? Well, you guys are doing that. -- [[User:208.60.233.4|208.60.233.4]] 20:55, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Clearly, it is not "obviously wrong" if several people hear it that way and only a few hear it the other way. You comparison is invalid. Furthermore, your argument that this quote makes no sense is hardly convincing: "creepstake" makes no more sense in the context than "creep-take" does. Frankly, anonny, you could afford to consider that possibility ''you'' might be wrong on this. And even if you're not, it's only a wiki about dumb animal characters. If we get one letter wrong, it's not going to hurt anyone. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 21:03, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
::::It's obviously wrong because Creep-take is nothing and Creepstakes is a portmaneu of Creep and Sweepstakes. Creepstakes makes more sense than Creep-take, and there's no two ways about that. I'm sorry, but you can't say Creepstakes makes no sense as it's a portmaneu, which TBC famously include all the time. Getting 'two' letters wrong won't hurt anyone - except for the site's correct contents and the script TBC worked on. '''I've e-mailed TBC on this''' and hopefully they'll get back to me. When they do, I wholly expect you guys to debate TBC's own reply! lol! -- [[User:208.60.233.4|208.60.233.4]] 21:14, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

After a rehearing, I am not entirely convinced it is "creep-take": there is a sound that might be an S in there. But I am far from convinced that it actually is "creepstake". {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 21:06, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
:Thank you for rehearing. It makes all the difference, doesn't it? Whew, glad to see this, thank you. (and yeah we may not agree but thanks for questioning 'creep-take') -- [[User:208.60.233.4|208.60.233.4]] 21:17, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

I hear "creepcake", and that also makes the most sense to me, too. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:10, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

:Using Cool Edit Pro, I applied two filters: Doppler Shifter (Ambulance), then Normalize. I didn't expect the first filter to do anything helpful, but it seems to be clearer, and Normalize brought the volume back up since the first filter dropped it a bit. I hope this helps. If not, I tried. {{User:TheGirl/sig}} 02:35, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
::{{Audio|Creep.ogg|Listen to the (filtered) quote}}
:::I must conceed that the filtered version sounds like either creepcake or creeptake, rather than creepstakes... sadness : ( sorry other anony [[User:134.174.140.208|134.174.140.208]] 03:51, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

== Length ==
I saw on the "Teaser Page" (Link leads to specific page, look under "Toon Title" at about the middle.) [[Talk:Jibblies 2 Teaser]] that this toon would "be amazing" if it exceeded 6 minutes. Is that important? Because I didn't see anything under Remarks about the toon being 6:44 and if it that was important to the original poster, would it have any relevance in the Remarks section of the information? Thanks [[User:Stinkoblade|Stinkoblade]] 16:51, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
: I don't suppose its 7:06 if u include homsar's scene or anything, is it? -[[User:Jdhannan|Jdhannan]] 18:06, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::Maybe you're referring to me, Stinkoblade? I didn't say it would be "amazing" .. I used the words "nice" and "great". Anyway, running time is listed above the transcript, no sense posting a remark about it below the transcript. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 06:46, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Sorry, I didn't remember exact words. I can understand that now, but what about like it is on SBEmails where it mentions longest or longest until another came out. That is what I was asking about when I wrote this.
According to the Toons menu, this is the longest Holiday toon to date, can this be important now? [[User:Stinkoblade|Stinkoblade]] 13:04, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

== Clickable button ==

In the answering machine scene, the right button on the machine is clickable. I was thinking maybe it would yield an Easter Egg, but no. Can any of the Flash-knowledgeable advise whether that's just because they recycled a Flash file, or is this noteworthy? —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 16:56, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:I'm no expert, but I'm gonna assume it's because they recycled a Flash file. Nothing happens when you click it except it messes up the scene, effectively ruling out it being an Easter Egg, and recall that TBC have made these kind of mistakes before, primarily with the VCR and the Tandy and Compy's contrast buttons. -{{User:YK/sig}} 18:40, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
::Um, I just cleared my cache so I could see the "new" version with the KOT and Poopsmith easter eggs, and now I can't click the button, so I'll assume it's fixed and note it on the page.--{{User:NevaDie/sig}} 22:00, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, that more or less confirms that it was just a glitch/flash artifact, at least. -{{User:YK/sig}} 22:50, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

== Strong Sad ==

Should it be remarked that Strong Sad's eyes would be behind his fat kid mask, in comparison to his mouth? Or that it's odd that it's a white face, as opposed to a flesh-colored one? Heck, he pretty much just has a different head. Like the KOT when he dressed up as the mayor of Halloween Town. --[[User:Abelhawk|Abelhawk]] 18:18, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:actually, the KOT still had his own head, he just had the mayor's facial features stuck/painted on [[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 23:19, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, not to mention he had a face on the other side of his head. So....is this a good remark then? --[[User:Abelhawk|Abelhawk]] 03:58, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

==Title Card==

The title card is holographic/3D. [[User:Awexome|Awexome]] 19:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:No it's not. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:35, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

It looks a little holographic, but it's probably just a random grindhouse-y effect. [[User:71.231.56.40|71.231.56.40]] 18:40, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

== Jibblied Bubs ==

The way Bubs said "uh, jibblies" reminded me of Homestar saying "uh, crapface" instead of kicking the Cheat in [[replacement]], but that's probably a coincidence. Want to see if anyone saw it too. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 23:05, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:I thought of that too. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:35, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

== Where We're Going We Don't Need Rides ==

Is it possible the reason they decided to dress the Poopsmith as Doc Brown was because the Back to the Future ride closed this year? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 23:40, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
:That sounds a little extreme... {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 00:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
I'd say it's about as likely as them using him on The Poopsmith because he's Doc BROWN. --[[User:71.203.169.248|71.203.169.248]] 02:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

== Electric Cacodemon ==

Did anyone notice the electrical noises coming from the jibblied Pom Pom? Or is that just another addition with the fixed glitches? -[[User:141.133.145.118|141.133.145.118]] 00:30, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

== The TIME Mirror ==

I understand the Big Lebowski idea, but could the mirror also be a reference to when Time named "You" Person of the Year and had a mirror on the cover? I added it just to be safe, even though it might drive the mirror into TTATOT territory.
:See [[Talk:Jibblies 2#About the mirror]]. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 02:25, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
:That comment had already been made, and removed. Personally, I don't think the "You" cover of Time magazine is a strong enough reference to be noteworthy. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 02:30, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

== Razor blade apples ==

I think that the razor blade apples could be a reference to the "I Luv Halloween" comic book.
where the characters put razor blades in an apple, give it to a policeman and then frame the old woman who gave it to them on Halloween.
:The razor-blade apple urban myth certainly predates the 2005 comic book. Given the nature of that book (going by what I read over at Wikipedia), I seriously doubt it's something TBC would reference directly anyway. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 02:37, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
It's the [http://www.snopes.com/horrors/mayhem/needles.asp Urban Legend]. 100%. --[[User:71.203.169.248|71.203.169.248]] 04:24, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

== WhoDonkis ==

Y'know, I really don't think Homestar is saying, "The Donkis must be stopped!" It sounds a lot more like Poodonkis/Pudonkis. I know, I'm just as confused as you are when it comes to the name, but it's definitely not ''The'' Donkis. This leads me to believe that "Who? Donkis is behind all this?" is not correct either. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 04:10, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
:I heard this myself. It's definitely not just "Donkis". It does, at least, begin with an "oo" sound. Oodonkis. Udonkis? The tag only reads "onkis", so it's hard to say what it is. C'mon, TBC! Show some sketches or a quote of the week that'll clear this up for us! --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 04:17, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
::I think I get what you're saying, but the thing's name is on its tag and there doesn't seem to be much space for more letters. (If it IS something other than "Donkis", expect a QoW or something.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:14, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
::Upon pulling out my headphones to check another line, I noticed that... you're absolutely right. There's a clear consonant (I think a "P") and "oo" sound both times Homestar says the dino's name. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 10:25, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
:::Let's go with Pudonkis as a good guess of spelling. Fine with everybody? —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 17:25, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
::::'Swhat I hear, too. I think it's a portmanteau of Donkis and the [[Wikipedia:Pudong|Pudong]] district of Shanghai. (Not really, but hey, crackpot theories are better than none, right?) {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 18:25, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::The first time I swear he says "Cute Donkis," but the second time is so not clear. [[User:Kevinchai|Kevinchai]] 21:10, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
::::::I changed my mind, it actually is Pudonkis.
:::::::It has to be Pudonkis. I almost moved the page, but wasn't sure this is "case closed" yet.. when it is, someone else can move [[Donkis]] to [[Pudonkis]]. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 23:41, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
::::::::I think, at this point, the only real question is the spelling (it could be "Poodonkis".) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:42, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::I think that the name is Donkis, and Homestar has a habit of forgetting names and words, so it comes later as Pudonkis. In 50 e-mails, he forgot the word "deleted". In looking old, he called Homsar "Homestar."[[User:StrongBadFan99998|StrongBadFan99998]] 04:18, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::I myself thought his name was Drew Donkis, before I read the transcript. Then it said "Who, Donkis is behind all this?". But now it says "Pudonkis is behind all this?". I am still thinking that his name is Drew Donkis. Why? it's [[Strong Mad|Strong Mad's]]. What does that have to do with anthing? Because in [[the facts|the facts]], Strong Mad named his claymation dinosaur [[Doug the dino|Doug the dino]]. [[Image:cantsayjob.png|20px]] [[User:Don't say jorb 101|Don't say jorb 101]] [[Image:cantsayjob.png|20px]] 7:54, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::What does doug have to do with anything? It's a different name. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:05, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::Strong Mad acts like a little kid sometimes. And what do little kid's do but name stuffed animals stuff like "Benny" or "Johnny". Doug the dino and Drew Donkis might be Strong Mad's names for his dinosaurs.
::::::::::[[Image:cantsayjob.png|20px]] [[User:Don't say jorb 101|Don't say jorb 101]] [[Image:cantsayjob.png|20px]] 7:53 PM, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

:This week's [[Quote of the Week]] confirms it. It's spelled Poodonkis.--{{User:NevaDie/sig}} 22:06, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
::Off topic but wiki related: Do TBC specifically tailor their quotes to clear up ambiguities on the wiki?? [[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 01:13, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
:::Sometimes it sure looks that way, though of course this is over a month overdue for clearing up this one. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:14, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

== 1984 ==

Ok. This is big. Follow me here. At the beginning and ending of the cartoon is the pumpkin card with the Roman numeral "23" under it. OK, this is because the deck only has 22 cards...BUT...23 years ago...was 1984. I realize that it was pointed out above that there's a Nickelodeon connection. OK. There's a MASSIVE 1984 connection.

In 1984 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Volkoff#Career Volkoff Teamed up with the Iron Sheik.] 
In 1984 the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You_Can%27t_Do_That_On_Television#Nickelodeon top rated children's show in America was ''You Can't Do That On Television''] 
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Back_To_The_Future ''Back to the Future'' was 1985]...ok...that's close...and...time travel...off by a year. Also, in 1984, John De Lorean's cars faced tremendous problems as he was arrested for coke. Remeber, in the movie... 
So So Def was founded by Jermaine Dupree in [http://www.musicianguide.com/biographies/1608004503/Jermaine-Dupri.html 1984.] 
In 1984 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesse_Jackson Jesse Jackson] ran for president, not Sharpton, even though today they are generally said in the same breath. HOWEVER, Sharpton [http://www.answers.com/topic/al-sharpton first received national attention in 1984] for leading public outcry against the relaxed treatment towards [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernard_Goetz Bernard Goetz] 
Richard Scarry wrote five books in 1984; [http://www.amazon.com/Richard-Scarrys-Busy-Learn-Book/dp/0307155404/ref=sr_1_449/104-3792925-0321504?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1193799073&sr=1-449 ''Busy Fun and Learn Book''], [http://www.amazon.com/Pig-Will-Wont-Manners-Knee-High/dp/0394865855/ref=sr_1_452/104-3792925-0321504?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1193799073&sr=1-452 ''Pig Will and Pig Won't''], [http://www.amazon.com/Meet-Animals-Scarry-Word-Book/dp/0600389731/ref=sr_1_453/104-3792925-0321504?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1193799073&sr=1-453 ''Meet the Animals''], [http://www.amazon.com/Holiday-Scarry-Word-Book/dp/060038974X/ref=sr_1_454/104-3792925-0321504?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1193799073&sr=1-454 ''On Holiday''], and finally most significantly...[http://www.amazon.com/Lowly-Worms-Bath-Richard-Scarry/dp/0394868382/ref=sr_1_451/104-3792925-0321504?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1193799073&sr=1-451 ''Lowly Worm's Bath''] 
I don't know that much about Cacodemons. In 1984 [http://www.amazon.ca/Cacodemon-roi-B-Chartreux/dp/2853760456 ''Cacodemon Roi''] was written, and the [third version of D&D was in late 1983, which apparently uses these things. 
In the 1980's ''The Far Side'' was huge, and the first [http://search.barnesandnoble.com/booksearch/isbnInquiry.asp?z=y&EAN=9780836220629 ''Far Side Gallery''] was published. 
Prince's [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purple_Rain_%28album%29 ''Purple Rain''] was writen in 1984. 
''Dangermouse'' first hit the States on [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DangerMouse June 4, 1984.] 
The noony noony typewriter from Sesame Street...the famous [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Hooper death of Mr. Hooper Episode] was Thanksgiving of 1983 (almost '84.) 
The last two are kind of stretches. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pete_and_Pete ''Pete and Pete''] didn't start until 1993, and the character of Andy was created for the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Shame_Theatre No Shame Theater] which started in '86, BUT...ok...the show, Pete and Pete, their Theme Song was written by Polaris...which was founded in ...everybody? [http://www.cannit.com/polaris/polarisbiography.htm Yes, 1984.] 
Then there's Strong Bad. The Xenomorph makes more sense here. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_%28film%29 ''Alien''] was made in '79, but the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alien_%28video_game%29 video game was made in 1984.] In addition, [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ridley_Scott Riddley Scott,] who made Alien, made the very famous [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1984_(television_commercial) 1984 Apple\Macintosh commercial]. 
Beetlejuice however...Beetlejuice was 1989...Ghostbusters was '84, and some sites seem to have that confused ([http://www.cinemetrics.lv/saltdb.php A], [http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-53635650.html%3Frefid%3Dgg_x_02&sa=X&oi=archive&ct=result&cd=1&usg=AFQjCNE-PwwBX5WjqAcTWwce_JcmZSuHcQ B], [http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P1-53635746.html%3Frefid%3Dgg_x_02&sa=X&oi=archive&ct=result&cd=2&usg=AFQjCNGQgg1-r9FPvhI6NlAEunsNKsNKmg C], [http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.newspaperarchive.com/newspapers1/na0025/2908843/15884356.html&sa=X&oi=archive&ct=result&cd=3&usg=AFQjCNHrE8oDQcvN264Cr5IPDIAngQpQAQ D,] [http://www.20minutos.es/cine/cartelera/interprete/2404/2/ E])...Keaton was in Johnny Dangerously in 1984...and Burton made Frankenweenie in 1984...''Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy's'' ''So Long and Thanks For All The Fish'' was written in 1984, and Ford Prefect was from the vacinity of Betelgeuse...but ok, on this one...it's a stretch. Maybe because he's Strong Sad's [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Brother_%28Nineteen_Eighty-Four%29 Big Brother]. Not sure. 
 
But...two more quotes....One from Homestar..."Brother called up Marzipan right before I ran into you." Not Big Brother? Maybe...but...from the book ''1984''..."It was bliss, it was eternity."
--[[User:71.203.169.248|71.203.169.248]] 05:03, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

:I don't know. Most of these seem to be waaay too much of a stretch to be in the main article. Alien Video game? Okay, a Lowly Worm book was published in 1984, but the character was created long before that. Mr. Hooper's death and the Back to the Future movie are NOT 1984 references, and close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades... {{unsigned|220.19.16.13|06:37, 31 October 2007 (UTC)}}

::I have to agree — I think the connections are a quite a stretch. Probably the only reason that there's some connection to 1984 in some of them is that TBC tend to reference things from the '80s. I'm going to remove the info from the article for now (the info I removed can be seen {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Jibblies_2&diff=511747&oldid=511741 here}}). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:50, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

::: But wait, you forgot a reference. XXIII represents 23, right? Well 23 is also the name of a movie made in '07 about the number 23 being numerologically connected to everything. So much so that Jim Carry goes crazy trying to convince everyone of the meaningless connections, and torches his career. CREEPY, hunh? :) [[User:MetaStar|MetaStar]] 01:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Some are more firm than others. Prince's biggest work was Purple Rain. That's 1984. That's firm. Dangermouse started here in '84. The wrestler became huge in '84. (You have to understand, the teamup wasn't just a "sporting event," it was a rather noted infamous move, they combined a "Russian" and an "Arab" into one "Evil team," that's why he's remembered. Sharpton literally first hit headlines...Farside's first gallery...YCDTOT, in 1984, it was THE #1 show amoung children, that year, and only that year. So So Def started in '84. I mean the rest are iffy, but that's not enough to raise an eyebrow, given the XXIII, seriously? Plus, the 1983 ones, they were all post Halloween, Thanksgiving and Christmas, so they were also both "XXIII" years ago, so yeah, that is close enough outside of both horseshoes, and handgrenades--[[User:71.203.169.248|71.203.169.248]] 11:24, 31 October 2007 (UTC).
:I'm not into elaborate conspiracy theories. This is what Homestar would call a coinkydink. [[User:Stev0|Stev0]] 15:24, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
::(he would?) [[User:Neumannz|Zatchman]] 23:25, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
:::OK, so Homestar would say, "Yeah, yeah, you're pwobabwy wight." But everybody else would say it's a coincidence. [[User:Stev0|Stev0]] 04:10, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

== Fhqwhgads ==

I noticed when the painting is about to jibblie Strong Bad, he says his normal "Come on in here!" However, he says the first "come on" like in the song "Everybody to the Limit."

Confirm?
--[[User:144.80.83.157|144.80.83.157]] 18:55, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
:I think he's just trying to emphasize the "come on", and add a little suspense. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 18:50, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
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I think it's a reference.([[User:Some kind of scientist|Some kind of scientist]] 17:29, 5 November 2007 (UTC))
:I'm not convinced. It sounds to me more like simply adding pauses between the words. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 17:37, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
::I think it's a reference. The sudden drop out of the background music seems to give special focus to the words, and the Rocoulm has definitely used other character references - like Marzipan's answering machine and showing up in the midst of Strong Sad's nerdiness. ([[User:Meltingemail|Meltingemail]] 03:23, 9 November 2007 (UTC))
i can listen to opening part of song in my head and mix with roculm's "come on" and yeah that sounds exactly like it. prob still for the suspense though . [[User:Imdaman]]
== Horrible Painting Card Number ==

The Horrible Painting tarot card is numbered "II" which is the Roman numeral 2. This relates to the fact that this is "Jibblies 2". It's a very quick thing that belongs on the Trivia section as people most likely don't notice - and the Brothers Chaps did put that little touch in. '''Please stop removing it just because I'm not registered'''. I say that because it's valid trivia (As valid as what the tarot cards say on the back!) and yet it keeps getting removed when other stuff isn't. It's a true fact, and it's real trivia. So stop it. >:O -- [[User:208.60.233.43|208.60.233.43]] 22:50, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
:Hmmm, but how do you know it's II because of the toon's title? Couldn't it be coincidence? It's really a guess, that's why it shouldn't be on there. Please don't be frustrated by this, it happens to all of us, even sysops. Keep on tranglin'!{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
::By the way, if you think people aren't taking your edits seriously because you're unregistered, you could [[Special:Userlogin|change that quickly]]. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 22:59, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
::And the 666 on Marzipan's answering machine could be a coincidence. :D heh. Sorry to get so mad, but... It's crazy how wikis get to the point that people just lie in wait for something to delete. It's like writing "the sky is blue" in an article and someone says "You don't know that for sure" and removes it. -- [[User:208.60.233.25|208.60.233.25]] 15:27, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

== Pretty Good, ..? ==
Horrible Painting says, "How's it going, man?" and Homestar responds: "Pretty good, ____________" .. how do we fill in the blank? "Creep-take"? That's what I hear; it sure doesn't sound like the recent change to "creep-stakes".. Neither makes sense, unless someone can explain it to me. Ideas? {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 23:26, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
: Some poster said that Homestar has problems with the letter "S" as justification for "Creepstakes", but that's not true — "R" is the letter Homestar has problems with. I don't recall him ever having a problem with "S". I'm with either -cake or -take. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:56, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, maybe creepcake. As a portmanteau of creep and cupcake.. That could be. I say we stick with creepcake, unless we get a QOTW or something to contradict it. It makes the most sense.. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 03:40, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Hey, y'alls, perhaps you'd like to relocate your responses to [[#Creep...wha?]]. But please read our responses too! —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 03:47, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Oops, sorry about that. I didn't read the whole page, and didn't see that convo as I skimmed the TOC. I should have done a Ctrl-F. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 05:52, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::No probalo. —[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 06:16, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
::Homestar does have a SLIGHT problem with "S", it sometimes comes out as a semi-lisp. -- [[User:208.60.233.25|208.60.233.25]] 15:29, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

== Gibbliet ==

Who do so many think the KoT is saying "Giblet giblet giblet" when he's jibblified? There is an unmistakable long "E" sound and no trace of a "T". Yes, he says "giblet" a couple of lines earlier, but that doesn't mean it's what he says when he actually has the jibblies. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:40, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
:I listened to them one at a time; each time he is saying "giblet" .. Besides believing my ears, The KoT saying "giblet" is in-character hilarity. Makes perfect sense. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 23:50, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
:: So why the long "E"s? He IS saying a long "E" sound each time, and he does NOT the one time he really says "giblet". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:59, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
:::I don't hear long e's i hear "giblet" {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:01, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Listen with headphones. Keep the volume high-ish (not so high you blow out your ears, of course, but it helps.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:14, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
::::PS. I mean it helps to use headphones and turn up the volume.
:::::Sorry, Jay, I don't hear it either. Just "giblet" with a little schwa sound stuck between the syllables. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 07:22, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::ME TOO. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 07:24, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::::How can I be the only person to hear it? No matter when I pause, no matter how closely I listen (in fact, the closer I listen, the better I hear it), no matter how many times, I ALWAYS hear the long "E" in the KoT's "Jibblie jibblie" bit. Every single time. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:30, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::::I also hear "Jibblie"... but I can kinda almost hear "giblet" if I really try for it. The long E is cut a little short, the stop just before the J starts a little earlier than normal... which almost sounds like a "T" if I do the aural equivalent of tilting my head and squinting... but it's still definitely "Jibblie". {{User:Phlip/sig}} 09:57, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::I hear a string of "giblet"s. I remember thinking so when I first saw the toon, and it sounded the same a few minutes ago when I listened again. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:06, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

== Reference to a web comic? ==

I removed the so-called reference "Pudonkis the Dromiceiomimus stands in the same pose as the Dromiceiomimus from Dinosaur Comics." Now it's back, with the claim that the "author seems to think [it's a reference] (check out the news for 30 Oct)" .. ahem .. The author of a web comic assuming a reference does not make it so. [http://www.qwantz.com/archive/001095.html The Dromiceiomimus is the white one.] Opinions? {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 00:02, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
:The additional bit of information is that the particular strip I liked to has a H*R reference (namely [[Fhqwhgads]]). It seems highly likely that there is a little mutual appreciation, combined with a very parclulular pose and and an uncommon dinosaur which just happens to be part of the comic. To me, that seems more than just coincidence nor TTATOT. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 01:03, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
::A dinosaur as obscure as a "dromiceiomimus", standing in the exact same pose that the character Dromiceiomimus stands in for every single episode of a very-popular webcomic (one which has even been referenced in a [http://www.fool.com/personal-finance/saving/2007/10/18/dont-save-like-tyrannosaurus-rex.aspx Motley Fool article]), which has previously slipped in references to H*R - I think this one is indisputable. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 02:06, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Well, it certainly is disputable! But to me, it seems likely that this is a reference - solely based on SB saying the whole name instead of just "dinosaur". That's definitely a hint.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 02:23, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Well, the "parclulular" pose doesn't sell me, but once again I'm out of my element. I don't have an appreciation for web comics whatsoever and certainly wouldn't know which ones are popular. This one in "parclulular" doesn't appear to be entertaining in the least (granted, that's my opinion, but everyone's entitled to my opinion), so how could I know that it's popular? And popularity doesn't necessarily make it a reference, but if it's such a slam dunk, keep it. Whatever. Oh, and I don't mind saying that I don't know what a Motley Fool is, either. And don't waste keystrokes explaining it to me. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 03:52, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::It's a reference. Especially coming on the heels of the recent SBemail "Web Comics", which shows The Bros. know their, well, Web Comics. [[User:Stev0|Stev0]] 04:15, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
:When have you ever even heard of a dromiceiomimus except in Dinosaur Comics? It's not like Pudonkis is a stegosaurus or a T-rex, or even a pachycephalosaurus or a dimetrodon. This is a seriously obscure species of dinosaur. The likelihood of TBC choosing it randomly, AND putting it in the same strange, awkward posture as that of the dromiceiomimus in Dinosaur Comics by sheer coincidence, is extremely low. Especially since it means they'd have to have never seen Dinosaur Comics before, and it's clear from [[web comics]] that they read at least a few web comics. -invisible_map

== Horrible Rocoulm ==

I think there should be better seperation between the terms Rocoulm and Horrible Painting. It's a little confusing in the transcript because the image on the tarot card is just of Rocoulm sans canvas, and when Homestar steps inside the painting, he's not inside Rocoulm himself. The way it's worded now has Homestar steping into the painting and then talking to the painting, from inside it's belly or something. The character's name is Rocoulm and the Horrible Painting is his domicile.--{{User:Johnny Jupiter/sig}} 02:40, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
:The horrible painting itself doesn't talk, the subject of the painting does! So, I agree. Separate. It should read: "...the Horrible Painting approaches him from behind.} '''ROCOULM:''' Come on in heeeeeeere.... " etc. Any naysayers? {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 05:52, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
::Thing is, despite how confidently it's stated on the Horrible Painting's page, we actually don't know the name of the subject of the painting - we just THINK it's Rocoulm because we don't know what else "Rocoulm" could mean. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:19, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Well if we're going to state it so confidently somewhere else, shouldn't it be the same wiki-wide? Well, I don't think it's a big deal to call it Rocoulm, but if we can't, how about at least call it "Demon Holding a Tourch"? That would do just as well for cutting confusion.--{{User:Johnny Jupiter/sig}} 23:41, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
::::We could just call him the Horrible Painting Demon, eh?--[[User:Spirit-O-Saint-Loolie|Spirit-O-Saint-Loolie]]

== Marzipan's smile ==

Anyone else notice that Marzipan stops smiling during Homestar's easter egg for no adequately explored reason? Maybe she's still pissed off about what Homestar said to her during ''her'' easter egg, but that's an unusual disconnect.
:They probably forgot to change it, not after Marzipan's easter egg, but after Bubs'. She also stops smiling in The Poopsmith's and The King of Town's easter eggs, which were added later. {{User:Mee/sig}} 09:39, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

== Nightmare Before Christmas? ==
Looks like the odd colors inside the painting may be a reference to this black light scene in Nightmare Before Christmas. Anyone?
http://youtube.com/watch?v=DnH_OJcpZYQ
*I think it's more a reference to the fact that it's a black light painting. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 02:15, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
*It was probably to match the cartoony style of the Horrible Painting. And I don't get the immediate connection to blacklight. [[User:71.231.56.40|71.231.56.40]] 18:33, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

== Holy Water? ==

When Strong Bad says he Needs Holy Water, It is a referance to Castlevania. - Toonypie
*No, it's not. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 02:16, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

Holy Water is an old, old cliche associated with horror films, mainly vampire and werewolf films. Castlevania was only carrying on the tradition. [[User:71.231.56.40|71.231.56.40]] 18:28, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

== Inverted colors? ==

I don't think Homestar's colors are inverted when he's inside the Horrible Painting. If you copy paste an image of him in the Horrible Painting onto a program such as MS Paint, and invert the colors, Homestar does not go back to his regular colors. [[User:Thrashmeister|Thrashmeister]] 15:24, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
: You're right. The magenta-and-white stripes on Homestar's shirt would be green-and-black when inverted, and his yellow wig would be blue. Actually, Homestar's shirt is red-and-blue striped and his wig is brown. I removed the fact. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:12, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

== Person of the Year 2006 Reference ==

I really want to delete the reference to the time Magazine "You" cover, but it's gone back and forth several times already so there's obviously someone who thinks it's a noteworthy reference. (Can I request that it be STUFF'd?) -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 17:59, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
:Seriously, why can't this be a double reference? I saw the screen cap you posted which convinced me of the Big Lebowski reference, but the nature of the 2006 Person of The Year cover makes it plausible as an additional reference. (We are talking about an internet cartoon show, after all— exactly the sort of content that the Time article was targeting.) It really does work either way. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 18:20, 4 November 2007 (UTC)
::While your point regarding the "targeted content" is what I'd consider the most convincing argument so far for inclusion of PotY 06 as a reference, there just isn't enough in the toon to convince me that there's any relation. Examples of things that would be evidence of such: If it looked at all like the cover in question, if it said "Person of the Year", or "2006" or "You", if the mirror was all crinkly and distorted like the foil ones used for that issue, or if Strong Mad made a comment to the effect that "YOU ARE PERSON OF THE YEAR!" I will admit, however, that it really doesn't matter whether it's there or not - it's just a Wiki about a cartoon. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 02:12, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
:Agree with Father Ted. I don't think the "You" cover fits very well, especially since there's a much more obvious reference choice. I also think it's about time to STUFF this but a lot of people get touchy about that so I don't have the guts to start it.([[User:Some kind of scientist|Some kind of scientist]] 17:27, 5 November 2007 (UTC))
::Nor do I. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 02:12, 6 November 2007 (UTC)
Personally, I think the way the "Time" mirror fact is worded now (no Lebowski, no 2006 cover) seems to be best way. It gets at the base reference. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 15:00, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
::I disagree, since it's now simply stating the obvious. Given the [[The Big Lebowski|history of references to the movie]], I think it's fair to say that it's a Big Lebowski reference. While Loafing claims the fact was "patently false" as written, probably based on the "exactly the same" wording, I figure it should read "...very similar to a mirror shown in the film..." I know I prompted a STUFF of the "You" cover, but here I'd be tempted to STUFF the Lebowski thing. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 03:05, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

== CGA, not CMYK ==

I would question the link to the CMYK color model on the remark about Homestar in the painting...the colours are reminiscent of [[Wikipedia:Color_Graphics_Adapter|CGA graphics]], a very old graphics standard, while images in the CMYK colour model have no particular affinity for the colours cyan, magenta, yellow, or black. --[[User:Danaris|Danaris]] 16:09, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
:I agree that CMYK doesn't really make sense in that context, but I wouldn't peg it as CGA, either. It appears to be more a "black light" color thing. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 02:05, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

== Meh! ==

As those of you who have been to my talk page (two or three of ya, probably) know, I pride myself in my fluency of a-da Cheeeat. I think I understand his lines while in [[The House of the Brothers Strong]], so I'm gonna go ahead and be '''bold''' and edit them into the commentary. If anyone has any problems with what I added, you know who to blame. -- [[User:Onamuji|Onamuji]] 12:33, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
:No, that's bad, we never put words into the cheat's mouth. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:10, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
::Okay, new question. Do we have a style manual here? Because if we don't, we should add one. See [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Manual_of_style Wookieepedia] for a good example of another wiki's special rules.
::My point here is simply that we should add a rule that the Cheat's words are never added to his speech, unless we come to a decision that it's ''really, really'' clear, like that time in [[coloring]] when he said "Okay." --[[User:Onamuji|Onamuji]] 13:30, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
:::[[HRWiki:Manual of Style|Yes, we have a manual of style]]. {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 13:52, 10 November 2007 (UTC)
::::But guys, The Cheat got the Jibblies. We should put down on the transcript that The Cheat starts making Jibblie-ish noises instead of saying he continues screaming. It really isn't putting words in his mouth. {{User:Neox/sig}} 16:47, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::I wouldn't object to a mention of "Jibblie-ish" noises, but I don't think the rest of it is necessary.[[User:Some kind of scientist|Some kind of scientist]] 21:56, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

== Killer Instinct music? ==

All right, being as though I'm a staff member of SNESMusic.org, I know a bit more about SNES music than is probably healthy.

A recent fun fact states that the music in the toon was "based on" music from Killer Instinct, but going by the existing SPC soundtrack, I'm gonna have to conclude one of two things... One, the SPC set is missing a song, or two, the fact is... well, wrong.

Either way, could whoever added that fact be a bit more specific? -{{User:YK/sig}} 08:54, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
:See [[Image:HR vs KI.ogg]] for a comparison. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 11:36, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

== Is That Come On In Here A Come On In Here? ==

I noticed that in the easter egg transcript, the "come on in here" is in the form of question . . . is it really? It didn't sound like the Horrible Painting was asking a question. -[[User:WarthogDemon|WarthogDemon]] 23:57, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
:Yeah, but he sounds somewhat uncertain. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 00:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::No he doesn't. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Yes he does, listen real closely. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 00:31, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::::I did, and he doesn't, and going back and forth with "yes he did", "no he didn't" isn't going to help anyone, so unless you have something new to say, let's wait for some more opinions. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:33, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:It's very very clear that his inflexion goes up towards the end of the sentence. Very very clear evidence of a question. [[User:Flashfight|Flashfight]]
::Yeah, sounds like a question to me, too. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 19:44, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Why would it be a question? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:54, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::::Because Homsar is well-known in the Homestar Runner universe for being an odd duck, even to the point where the horrible painting guy might be aware of it. It seems probable that he was nervous about even talking to Homsar, so in crept some doubt that led him to phrasing his "come on in here" in a way that it sounded like a question. And it turns out he was right to be nervous because Homsar ended up giving him the jibblies. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 20:25, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::'Xactly. I agrees with the Fool. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:27, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::::Not that I'm in disagreement or anything, if this is the case, I'm wondering why the Horrible Painting decided to let The Goblin in . . . but I'm pretty sure I'm thinking too hard about this. -[[User:WarthogDemon|WarthogDemon]] 23:01, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::I, too, think it sounds like a question. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 17:38, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

== Closed STUFF ==

{{stuffcloseddecline}}

=== STUFF of the year ===
{{stufffact|The [[Wikipedia: Person of the Year|Time Magazine Person of the Year]] mirror that Strong Mad uses at the beginning of the cartoon refers to Time Magazine's "Person of the Year" award. '''It more specifically refers to the 2006 issue of the award, in which they chose to honor "You."'''}}
The vote was only on the part in '''bold'''.

{{stuffverdict|01:56, 6 November 2007 (UTC)|02:23, 8 November 2007 (UTC)|unanimously declined|10|0|Jibblies 2}}

== Costume name glitches ==

Has anybody noticed that when you click and hold somebody at the end, then drag your mouse to Homsar, the names overlap? Seems like something that should be put in the glitches section. [[User:Gollum999|Gollum999]] 05:55, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
:That's not really a notable glitch... It's something very typical of Flash, I think. The Main Pages do that all the time. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:57, 15 November 2007 (UTC)
::Well yeah, but its listed as a glitch in the main page section, right? [[User:Gollum999|Gollum999]] 16:11, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

==The LOADING==
Is this a possible reference to the Highlander II: The Quickening? They're making fun of sequel conventions, and Highlander II is a famously bad sequel. That's the first thing that sprung to mind when I saw the loading screen. --[[User:129.237.88.160|129.237.88.160]] 08:22, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think so. All the tarot cards in the toon begin with "The", and the one on the loading screen is no exception. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 08:24, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

== Jibblies Page Unlinked? ==

This seems so obvious that I figure I'm simply overlooking it, but shouldn't [[Jibblies]] be linked somewhere in this article? -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 03:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

==Jibble Jibblies==
Looks like Homsar ''reflected'' the jibblies causing the [[Horrible Painting]] to get the jibblies. {{User:HAJ/sig}} 22:35, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
:To me, it appears that the Horrible Painting's jibblies had no effect, and Homsar responded with his ''own'' jibblies rays from his hat. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 23:34, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
::I agree with the Reverend. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 23:35, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
:::I agree with HAJ, But we never know like Sweet Cuppin' Cakes
::::This is all speculation. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 20:55, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

== Ushanka ==

Under Explanations:
*A [[Wikipedia:Ushanka|ushanka]] ... is a round fur hat, usually black, traditionally worn by Russian men. ...
Er... We're adding an explanation "fun fact" to explain something that only exists on the page because ''we'' used an obscure word in the transcript? Isn't that a little convoluted and self-indulgent? I'm going to take this out and simplify the transcript. If others feel strongly that this article needs to educate people about what a ushanka is, then put it in Remarks where it belongs. I generally expect Explanations to explain things that appeared the toon itself. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:58, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

:Immediately reverted as "important". But why don't we explain that the thing around Sarducci Bad's neck is called a [[Wikipedia:Stole|stole]], and it's used in Roman Catholic vestments with various symbolic colors? (Oops! He's wearing red in the wrong season!) Or that the thing around Marziprince's neck is called a [http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/jabots jabot], and it was a common style in the 18th century?

:Because their only relevance to the toon is that they're duplicating the costumes of external characters. Once I know who each costume is supposed to be, details about why the originals dressed that way usually don't enhance my enjoyment of the toon. Especially when it boils down to something as mundane as, "Strong Mad wears a stereotypically Russian hat," when Nikolai Volkoff was obviously a stereotypical Russian character.

:On top of that, it makes the article hard to read when there's a word nobody knows listed in the Transcript with the explanation pages lower, and then a word nobody knows explained in the Fun Facts with no mention of it in the toon. Like I said, if it's really "important", put it in one spot: Remarks. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 19:11, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

::I'm inclined to agree with TheNicestGuy. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 19:16, 18 December 2007 (UTC)
:::I can see both sides of this argument, but I agree with TheNicestGuy for leaving it colloquial in the transcript, and then putting\leaving the word and link to ushanka in Explanations. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 05:23, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Backup is nice, but someone will have to actually do the honors if we're satisfied. I loathe revert wars, so I make it a policy never to make the same edit twice. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 15:33, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

:The fact itself is kinda dubious, methinks, after looking at the wiki article. Ushanka doesn't translate to hat, shapka does, which is what it's called in English-speaking world (indeed, that's the only thing I've heard it called besides generic "Russian hat" and the like). I'd support the fact, (I do like the idea of having a more general term in the transcript), but I think it might need to be reworked. On a similar note, although the had SM wears is instantly recognizable as a stereotypical russian hat, it doesn't seem to have earflaps, which are apparently necessary to truly be a ushanka. Is this important? -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 16:35, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

::Why, yes. Yes it is. Take a look at [http://www.ganges.com/Dynamite_Kid_vs_Nikolai_Volkoff_Wrestling_Classic_1985_v1157022/ this video], which has a few close-ups of Volkoff in his hat. It's not a ushanka! It's sort of a... furry pillbox hat, no flaps. Which is exactly what Strong Mad wears too. Faithful piece of costume, nothing more. --[[User:TheNicestGuy|TheNicestGuy]] 17:36, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

== Giblets ==

Should we explain what giblets are? I doubt that very many people know what they are. Or is that not neccesary? [[User:TreeWithAChainsaw|TreeWithAChainsaw]] 22:28, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Talk:Where's an Egg?

TreeWithAChainsaw — Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:51:07 GMT

TreeWithAChainsaw: /* Fabergé eggs? */

==Character themes==

I just noticed something. Every character has their own variation on the theme that plays in that person's presence. Whenever you ask a character about another character, or they answer a question about that character, that character's theme will be played along with the theme of the character you're speaking with. But when only items and places are involved in the question (or the occasional super-bad liar who answers a question with him/herself when it's patently not true), you'll hear only the one character's theme. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
: Though sometimes it'll fail to play both themes together... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
: Oh, yeah, and when you win, it'll play what sounds like all the themes together. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

==Multiple endings==

I've found that depending on how quickly I finish the games. So far, I've found four:
*Fireworks only — 900 seconds or less left
*Fireworks and a white satellite-looking spaceship — 901-940 seconds left
*Fireworks, a white satellite-looking spaceship, and a yellow/brown spaceship — 941-970 seconds left
*Fireworks, a white satellite-looking spaceship, a yellow/brown spaceship, and a gray/green spaceship with an alien coming out — 971 or more seconds left
I'm unsure whether there are any other endings for amounts of time left much smaller than the above. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:12, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:My guess is that the 3rd one is a space lab and the "alien" that comes out is a cosmonaut performing a space walk.

:I managed to win a few times just by shooting at everyone immediately. My best time is 994 and all I get is the sputnik, the rocket and the space lab.

:[[User:Nsayer|Nsayer]] 18:08, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Those aren't just any "spaceships", those are definitely meant to refer to the Sputnik satellites.

The first is Sputnik. The second is probably [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vostok_1 Vostok 1], with Yuri Gagarin, the first human in space. The third is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voskhod_2 Voskhod 2], with Aleksei Leonov, the first human to perform a spacewalk. [[User:CaseyG|CaseyG]] 01:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:Dead on - good work! They definitely appear to be celebrating Russia's "firsts" in space. First man-made satellite, first human in space, and first spacewalk. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 02:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Just to let you know, I let the time run down to 96 before getting bored, and nothing unusual happened when I shot the culprit. So it doesn't seem there are any other endings. Why the heck they think people need as much time as they give is totally and utterly beyond me - the amount of time is ridiculously high and takes forever to run down! - but whatever. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:Yeah, I let it run down to 001 and shot the culprit — just the normal ending. Also, I agree: 1000 seconds is unnecessary. I will say, though, that the first time I played it I was completely clueless, so it was nice that I could take my time stumbling around and trying to figure out what was going on. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 08:46, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:::This is Forum fodder primarily, but I'll briefly add that being timed out when learning a game is really frustrating and turns me off, and that may be a reason behind TBC's use of such a long timeout. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== Locations, suspects, and items ==
Here are my attempts at identifying the locations, suspects, and items. I'm not sure of all of them, especially the ones with question marks. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
===Locations===
*Aquarium
*Forest
*Museum (?)
*Siberia (thanks, [[Special:Contributions/70.116.132.84|70.116.132.84]])
*City
*Desert
*Beach
*Movie theater
*Pier

===Suspects===
*Butler
*Blue hat man
*Maid
*Blonde woman
*[[Wikipedia:John McEnroe|John McEnroe]] (I think — recall that Homestar [[:Image:Homestar JohnMcEnroe.PNG|previously dressed up as him]])
*Mechanic
*Old Woman
*[[Kid Speedy]]
*Red hat man

===Items===
*[[Egg]]
*Potted plant
*Strawberry
*[[Alcohol|Beer]]
*Pencil
*Bomb
*Duffel bag
*Monkey wrench
*Slingshot
*Cat

I think once the locations, items, suspects are re-ordered, we can pull the stub tag off the article. Lots of great info and we have the basics now. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 22:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:The proposed Kid Speedy is still listed as "Red-haired boy" on the page. Also, he could be [[Ron Cumberdale]] instead. [[User:72.133.214.202|72.133.214.202]] 04:51, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

== Item Talk ==

I have noticed, if people talk about an item when you question them about the egg, talk about the item. They will then tell you a person, and a place. If the person is at that place with the item, they usually have the egg. If they ARN'T at that spot, the one who gave you the info usually has the egg. Anyone have this not happen? (Notice I said USUALLY)--[[User:Bobmuffins|Bobmuffins]] 18:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

This is true, because all characters either always lie or always tell the truth [[User:68.54.84.110|68.54.84.110]] 19:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

== Painfully dumb question... ==

How do you play the game if you don't speak or read Russian?
:Actual game play requires no knowledge of Russian, since it done completely with pictures. The Russian writing is meaningless or poorly done, anyway. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 19:21, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

- Hey; erm, I have no real idea about wiki ettiquete but I just wanted to say that the Russian is all more or less correct and certainly not meaningless. Here goes: The title, 'gde yaitso' indeed means 'where is the/an egg?' (although the dash in the middle is not needed) - the reference to 'gde yaichko' that is made on the corresponding wiki article on this topic is wrong; 'yaichko' is a diminuitive form roughly equivalent to 'eggy'. 'Gde yaitso' i.e. as written in the game is the best translatoin for 'Where's an Egg?'. On the loading screen, 'televizionniy elektricheskiy' - 'televisual electrical' is fairly senseless but apart from that, the rest of the russian is correct. When you shoot the egg-haver, 'vinovnik' (criminal) appears, and then 'pozdravlenie' (congratulations). If you get it wrong, 'vinovnik' again appears, followed by 'gulag' (russians tend to use the simpler word 'lager'' but gulag is a russian acronym) and then 'igra zakonchenniy' - the only real example of incorrect grammar. It means 'game over' but should be 'igra zakonchennaya' to account for the feminine gender of 'igra'. Hardly 'meaningless or poorly done'. I was pretty surprised with the quality of the russian, to be honest
:: Since it clear you know Russian, and I definitely do not, I would bow to your superior knowledge. In this case, I would say writing up this information in the wiki directly would be much appreciated. (Perhaps under a translation section?) {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 20:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The Russian text is only used for the title screen and the "congraturatory" address. "Dialogue" in the game itself is handled through pictograms ("Blue Rabbit's Climate Chaos" comes to mind, although this is much more simplistic). Basically, you go around "investigating" each area, confirming which characters are where and which items they're holding, and questioning the characters about other characters and items; if you find someone who's lying, odds are he/she is the culprit, and you do what any good renegade Russian detective would: you shoot them! ^_^--[[User:Tenka Muteki|Tenka Muteki]] 19:22, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

: Actually, I find that about half the suspects lie, whether they have the egg or not. But really, since everyone either always lies or always tells the truth, all you have to do is find someone who gives you a clue about the egg and says even one other true thing. (Don't bother asking anyone, truthteller or liar, about him/herself or his/her own item, though.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:20, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

==Too many colors==
When you hover over a button, it gradients from gray to yellow (and back again when you remove) Thats waaaaay too many shades of yellow for a game like this. Maybe put this in remarks or goofs. I have bad edit etiquette :P
:Hardly. I think the gradient is a nice touch, and it was definitely intentional, as part of the game. Definitely not a goof. [[User:The 3000th flare|The_3000th_Flare]]
::This is a ridiculous claim, and I will have no part in this discussion... oh crap, I already did. So, best thing to do is... to go back and not listen to that message, and then we've got nothing to worry about. Oh, wait... in fact...
::...tcaf ni ...tiaw ,hO .tuoba yrrow ot gnihton tog ev'ew neht dna ,egassem taht ot netsil ton dna kcab og ot ...si od ot gniht tseb ,oS .did ydaerla I ,parc ho ...noissucsid siht ni trap on evah lliw I dna ,mialc suolucidir a si sihT
::Okay, there. I think I reversed it. What? What do you ''mean'' that doesn't work? Oh, crap. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:37, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

==Screen shot==
Since the game is out for reals and looks different from the preview shot that was originally up, shouldn't we use a screen shot of actual game play? Do we include both images on the page? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 20:47, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
:I went ahead and replaced the old image with the new one, since that's what we did with [[Kid Speedy]]. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 21:02, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

== Maid ==
[[Image:Where's an Egg - Suspects - Maid.png|thumb|Totally a butcher.]]
Which person is supposed to be the maid? Process of elimination of all the other characters left a person who appears to be a butcher.--[[User:Another Freakin' Guy Named Daniel|Another Freakin' Guy Named Daniel]] 21:26, 16 July 2007 (UTC) Also, which one is supposed to be the movie theater? Process of elimination left what resembles the Lincoln Memorial.

I think the one with the red rope and yellowish wall is the movie theater.- [[User:70.243.66.159|70.243.66.159]] 16:09, 17 July 2007 (UTC) (Everybody! Sorry, forgot to sign in...)

== Ending Screen ==

That's not a police station, it's Lenin's Mausoleum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin%27s_Mausoleum)
:Apparently we don't know too much 'bout Russia. Thanks for pointing that out! {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 21:47, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Also the word vinovnik (виновник) would be better translated as "guilty person". Criminal is prestupnik (преступник) in Russian.

We would probably use "culprit" in English.--[[User:Tenka Muteki|Tenka Muteki]] 23:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

That "uniformed man" looks like Stalin [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4d/Stalin_02.jpg]. Well, as much as 'good graphics' can allow, anyways ;). It's got his mustache. Given that the game seems to be set in Soviet Russia, there is more than a good chance that it's suppose to be Stalin. What does everyone else thing? {{unsigned|67.71.64.144|23:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)}}

:I'm all for it. It looks enough like him to me, and it certainly fits with the Russian theme. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:57, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

::It seems very likely. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 00:00, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

:Does anyone not think it's Stalin?

::I think it ''could'' be, but are we sure enough for this not to be considered undue speculation? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:07, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

::To me, it has the following point for it being Stalin:
:::the setting is Soivet Russia
:::the medal is given out at Lenin's Mausoleum, and Stalin stood atop of Lenin's Mausoleum during the post-WWII victory parade (it's the kind of place a Soviet dictator would give out a medal)
:::The mustache and uniform look like Stalin's, and not like any other Soviet dictator (No other Soviet dictator had a mustach like that, although Lenin did have a goatee, he wasn't known for wearing a uniform and would, persumably, be in his tomb)
:::Stalin might actually want someone shot for stealing an egg (and I'm only half joking on that last one)
::I don't see any points against it being Stalin. I cannot discount it being some other uniformed mustachio'd Soviet authority figure, like some head of the KGB or something, but no others come to mind
::Does anyone know someone else that might fit that discritpion? {{unsigned|67.71.64.144|02:12, 18 July 2007}}

:::I '''strongly oppose''' the idea that it's Stalin. It's just a guy in a uniform. There were many of those if Soviet Russia, Lenin's tomb was used by every Soviet leader for parades, and Stalin was dead years before those spacecrafts were launched. I also see absoluetly no persuavive reason why it ''should'' be Stalin.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

::::I see your point, but I don't think the timeline matters too much — John McEnroe wasn't even born when Sputnik was launched, for example. Rather, I think these other famous historical Russian appearances strengthen the case for it being Stalin. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 05:14, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

:::::Stalin is in this game, but not the uniformed man. It's the man pictured immediately above this thread.
:::::: Were it not for the timeline, I would say it was certainly Stalin. Both the mustache and uniform are too close to be coincidence. Even with the timeline problems, I think Stalin is still the best fit. He is certainly the most obvious mustached man in a Russian uniform. In fact I can't think of any other who would be appropriate. —{{User:Geshmalderborgen/sig}} 21:15, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

:::What is being ignored, perhaps, is the quote of Stalin's (though far from originally his) that "You can't make an omelet without breaking eggs." It is often falsely attributed to him. [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7RNWN&q=Make+omelet+breaking+eggs+stalin Do I really need to give you a google link to it?]

== Suspect and location images ==

While the suspect and location images were originally icons, they have now been overwritten with full-sized images. Personally, I prefer the icons for three reasons:
#The full body characters are much taller than the rest of the images, which makes the table look a little lopsided.
#<s>The icon images are pixel-for-pixel, whereas there are some cropping issues with the full-sized images (compare the {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/images/archive/5/5b/20070716220648%21Where%27s_an_Egg_-_Suspects_-_Maid.png butcher icon}} with the {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/images/archive/5/5b/20070716235952%21Where%27s_an_Egg_-_Suspects_-_Maid.png full-body butcher}})</s> (fixed)
#We don't need to illustrate every component of the game completely, just give an icon for identification purposes.
Does anyone agree, or are we happy with the staus quo? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:30, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
: I think the table is fine as is, especially with the ability to expand the locations to a larger size. Perhaps making the size of the icons closer to the same size (using the item icons as a guide)? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 22:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

::The icons are fine by me, alhtough the cropping issues can easily be fixed. If you think reverting back to icons is the better choice, by all means, go for it. I don't see a problem with keeping the locations as full shots, however. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 22:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

== Names of People, Places and iTems ==

Using a decompiler, the names are '''Jessifer, Pall, Brodermaker, Mancuso, Damella, Deark, Gubby, Les and Joeff'''. The places are called '''Seward Lane, Hollway, A Room, Gym, Bank, Gumption Road, Upstairs, Nearby and Under'''. The items are called '''Bottle, Ball, Butterfly, Dog, Gym Bag, Fanny Pack, Frying Pan, Candlestick and Laptop'''. Not sure which is which. I might have another look later on when I'm home from school.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:That's crazy :P Especially since some of those names bear little resemblance to the items... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
::I'm more surprised they put all the names there. By the way, nice work on the [[looking old]] reference. --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 23:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I have a Flash decompiler and I'm not finding these names anywhere in the image files. Where are YOU finding them? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
: Never mind; I found them, but I see no indication of which is which, unless they define them in numerical order as the images appear (and who could tell - there aren't any bottles or balls to be seen anyway!) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:19, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
The internal names Loafing listed don't appear to actually be used anywhere... the only time these lists of names are even mentioned is that the list of placenames is added to a non-existant (or no-longer-existant) drop-down list on the map screen (possibly a stub, before they made the pretty buttons?). They seem to only be there for debugging purposes. However, it's reasonable to assume that, as debugging tools, they're in the same order as the numerical ids that everything's stored with, which'll make them:
{| border="0"
|
{| border="1" style="border-collapse: collapse"
|- style="background: #EEE"
! colspan="2" | Places
|- style="background: #EEE"
! Their name !! Our name
|-
| Seward Lane || Aquarium
|-
| Hollway || Park
|-
| A Room || Icy Mountains
|-
| Gym || Bank
|-
| Bank || Beach
|-
| Gumption Road || Desert
|-
| Upstairs || City
|-
| Nearby || Art Museum
|-
| Under || Bridge
|}
|
{| border="1" style="border-collapse: collapse"
|- style="background: #EEE"
! colspan="2" | Items
|- style="background: #EEE"
! Their name !! Our name
|-
| Bottle || Wrench
|-
| Ball || Beer
|-
| Butterfly || Cat
|-
| Dog || Slingshot
|-
| Gym Bag || Pencil
|-
| Fanny Pack || Gym Bag
|-
| Frying Pan || Bomb
|-
| Candlestick || Potted Plant
|-
| Laptop || Strawberry
|}
|
{| border="1" style="border-collapse: collapse"
|- style="background: #EEE"
! colspan="2" | People
|- style="background: #EEE"
! Their name !! Our name
|-
| Jessifer || Blonde Woman
|-
| Pall || Blue hat man
|-
| Brodermaker || Old Woman
|-
| Mancuso || Butler
|-
| Damella || Mechanic
|-
| Deark || Red hat man
|-
| Gubby || Butcher
|-
| Les || Kid Speedy/Ron Cumberdale
|-
| Joeff || John McEnroe
|}
|}
It seems clear that these debugging names were used ''well before'' the current art was made... it's odd that the one named "Bank" is one ''after'' the real Bank, and the "Gym Bag" is one ''before'' the real Gym Bag... but that's the order they are in the Flash file. I don't think the names warrant mentioning in the article... which is why I made the full tables here on the talk page. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 14:35, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

: We should definitely keep our names in the articles; they're much clearer [[User:The 3000th flare|The_3000th_Flare]] 18:03, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
::I think we should put TBC names in the Trivia section. [[User:TreeWithAChainsaw|TreeWithAChainsaw]] 14:44, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

== The Manual ==

The manual page is really funny in the way, that its English translation is more correct then the original Russian text :)

* The word at the top of the page "Узнать" (Uznat') is correct, it really does mean "Find out";
* The line "Кто лежит?" (Kto lezhit?) is a mistake and actually means here "Who is lying on the ground?" rather then "Who is telling lies/lying?". This is because in English the verb "to lie" can mean both of those things, but in Russian it's "лежать" (lezhat') for "lying on the ground" and "лгать" (lgat') for "telling the lies/lying". So the line should be "Кто лжет?" (Kto lzhet?);
* The line "Кто говорит правду?" (Kto govorit pravdu?) is correct, it does mean "Who tells the truth?";
* The line "Кто имеет яйцо?" (Kto imeet yaico?) is a bit incorrect and means "Who owns an egg?". "У кого яйцо?" (U kogo yaico?) could be translated as "Who has the egg?"

Another note: The Arbat ST. (location of the seller) is a well-known street in Moscow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbat_Street).
: This would be excellent information for the [[Some Type of Online Auction]] page, where the Arbat Street reference is already noted. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 00:33, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== Musie Theater? ==

I'm quite confident that the image given the label "Theater" is actually the museum. It looks just like an art museum display and... not at all like a movie theater. The other one's kind of ambiguous as to WHAT it is, but I'm quite sure on the "Theater". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:The other one looks like some kinda government building. Maybe if someone could translate the Russian on the building, it would shed some light on this? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:47, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:For now, I swapped the Theater one (pictures with a velvet rope) in the correct place. (Compare with the theater in [[the movies]]) I did notice that the one current marked "Museum" has some Russian writing on it. If someone would translate that, in addition to finding out what how the image is marked internally, for now it's probably better to leave the images where they are. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 00:51, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::You... you swapped it from my swap. The one with the ropes looks more like an art museum. Why would the ropes be so close to the pictures otherwise? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::: I have seen plenty of movie theaters that have velvet ropes along the walls; they are used when they have people line up before the start of movie for a major opening. The other picture is clearly ''not'' a movie theater, so we need to wait until we have further info. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 01:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:::: But who was it that called it a "movie theater" in the first place? US! There is no "further info" besides maybe someone with a flash compiler or a translation of the pillar building. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:::: Know what? Forget it. I don't want an edit war. I'm compromising with simple descriptions no one can dispute. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:35, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

It looks from [[#Names of People, Places and iTems|above]] that one of these (probably the one with the pillars) is a bank, but who knows with the weirdness of the rest of the names. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:58, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:If the one current marked as Museum is indeed a bank, I would have no problem making the other a museum. Right now, it's unclear. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 01:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::Ok, so can we call the one with the velvet ropes a "Museum" now? -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 03:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:::I think that sounds reasonable. At first, I thought it was a movie theater, but the more I look at it, the more those look like pieces of art. Especially the one on the left. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:57, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::::And y'know - who named that last one a "pier"? Looks more like a bridge to me. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 04:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

The gray one with what looks like "bEPER" on it is a bank. "берег" is Russian for "bank" according to some online English-Russian dictionary I just Googled. I submit that the one with the velvet ropes is an art musuem. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 02:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:About the museum one, I think it's an ''art'' museum. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 12:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::Agreed. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 12:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== Glitch or not? ==

Someone on the forums mentioned a glitch where, if you click on the top left corner a lot of times as the game starts, you can win with a timer score of 000. This is only if the person in the aquarium has the egg. I tried it and it worked, but I'm not sure if it's really a glitch or not. Thoughts? {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 03:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:Additionally, each time I've done it (by clicking the area of the screen where the Aquarium icon and gun icon overlap) the timer freezes at 000, but at the "Win" screen the timer reads 999 and all three spacecraft appear. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 04:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:: Just reproduced it myself, although given other Flash-related artifacts like this, I imagine that the way-way-way-way-way-too-generous timer starts at 1000 and it just chops off the first digit... and perhaps drops it down to a normal value afterwards. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:22, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Don't know if it's really a "glitch" if it only works when the suspect in the ''aquarium'' has the egg. That would make it more a matter of luck. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 12:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::::Glitches that only happen under specific circumstances are still glitches. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 15:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::Yes, but if the person in the aquarium has the egg, all you need to do is keep clicking the top left to finish the game in less than a second. That combined with the explanation you gave earlier about the timer actually being 1000 seconds, ''I'' think, completely disproves the glitch theory. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 19:34, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::The internal timer variable starts at 999 (which is what you see at the "win" screen), but the display in-game starts at 000 (not 1000) and is only updated a second after the game starts, the first time the "update timer" function's called. I think this qualifies as a minor glitch (namely that the display doesn't match the actual timer value for a second after the game starts). {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::[http://youtube.com/watch?v=JqQ-r2mGe0Q Here] is a link to a video on youtube which shows someone winning when the timer displays 000. [[User:Don't press that button.|Don't press that button.]] 15:08, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::::I don't consider this to be a glitch — just somebody beating the game really quickly with 1000 seconds left on the clock (which looks like 000 because only three digits are permitted). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:28, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::But it's not 1000 seconds left on the clock - it's 999 seconds (as you can see at the win screen). The "glitch" is that the timer isn't visibly incremented down until it gets to 998.-{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 03:29, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::Yeah. I just managed to do that, twice! But yeah, it's not visibly incremented until a few seconds after the start of the game. — {{User:Znex/sig}} 05:00, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

== Jack Orlando ==

Can anyone confirm the "Jack Orlando" Real-World Reference? The screenshots I've seen of that game look absolutely nothing like this one. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 03:59, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== Dead People Tell Tales? ==

When I play the game, I killed someone and ask him about something and he replyed with a + sign. This should go into remarks I think. - Toonypie from the Fanstuff Wiki.

: It's a red cross - they're only capable of answering questions with requests for medical aid, seeing as how they've been shot and all. [[User:Nsayer|Nsayer]] 18:45, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

==5 Time win with no intention==
I won 5 times in this game just by going around and shooting 3 random people. It was awesome. YOU should try it!-MikeControl
:I think more people would be interested if you told them on the IRC channel. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 19:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
: You have a one-in-three chance of getting it right by shooting random people. Those aren't terrible odds, so your five times in a row was just luck. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:13, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
:: That was sheer luck. I accidentally got 998 by clicking the gun after clicking the aquarium. --[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 01:52, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
::(1/3)^5 = 1/243. That's some luck. {{unsigned|68.121.111.150|12:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)}}
:::He never actually said he won five times in a row, just that he won five times. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 12:24, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
:38%, not 33%. 1/9 (.111) on the first shot, 1/8 (.125) to then get it on the second and 1/7 (.143) to then get it on the third. 37.9%. Big deal you say? .379^5 is 1/128. But yeah, don't know that it was five consecutive.--[[User:71.203.169.248|71.203.169.248]] 07:14, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
::No, it's 33%. You're picking three of nine. If you really want to compute it the hard way, you have to take into account the probability of choosing incorrectly on the first and second tries. So, there's a 1/9 (.111) chance of being right on the first try, a 8/9 * 1/8 (.888 * .125) chance of being wrong on the first try and right on the second try, and a 8/9 * 7/8 * 1/7 (.888 * .825 * .143) chance of being wrong twice and then right. Add them all up and you get -- surprise, surprise -- a .333 chance of winning by shooting at random.

== Fabergé eggs? ==

When you talk about Russian eggs being stolen, it's almost certain that this is a reference to [[wikipedia:Fabergé_Eggs|Fabergé eggs]]. [[User:Nsayer|Nsayer]] 18:36, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:I guess it could be a reference to Fabergé eggs. But it could also be [[TTATOT]]. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 18:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::I think the egg being stolen is just a joke (because no one would shoot a person to get back a stolen ''egg''). {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 19:04, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:::It could also be a reference to comunism (sp?) where nobody is allowed to have more than anouther person. [[User:TreeWithAChainsaw|TreeWithAChainsaw]] 14:51, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

== Strategy shortcut ==

:''Because they cannot provide you with useful information, it is worthwhile to shoot the first two suspects you know to be lying. One of them might just have the egg.''
I'm not sure why this keeps getting removed. It seems like a reasonable strategy to me. After you've played the game a bit, you know you really only need one bullet. The other two are just going to waste. Why not use them on the liars? Their info is no good, and you may get lucky and finish with a better time. If it doesn't work out, then you've still got your last bullet to use in the conventional way. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:32, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:What's a waste of time is shooting suspects who may not have the egg. It's much better to be sure who the real culprit is than to leave it to luck, even if it turns out to be someone you've seen before. Like [http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?p=599475&highlight=#599475 this trick] I use. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 21:37, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::It takes just over one extra second to shoot the liars. That seems an acceptable tradeoff for the amount of time it would take to keep going normally. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Well of course you can use any other strategy and just shoot any liars you come across. But that doesn't make this a strategy in itself. Any player could simply decide to do that; it doesn't take any real thought. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 22:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::::No real thought? ''Au contraire!'' The suggestion is not to shoot people ''indiscriminantly'', but to shoot the first two liars you see (which takes some determining). You're not going back to a location where a liar is anyway—unless you have to confront the egg holder there. You could save a lot of time by going ahead and using your spare bullets before you leave the location. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::Uh, that's exactly what I just said. This does not take any "real thought" because it is not a strategy as much as it is an add-on to another strategy. Yes it takes "some determining" to recognize liars, but methods for doing so are described in any strategy (including strategies we don't know). And it is not "worthwhile" to shoot the first known liars because it is so uncertain whether they would actually have the egg; the point of a solid strategy is ensuring correctness. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 14:31, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::Note that the way the game works, you don't lose anything for shooting innocent civilians, except the brief second it takes for the detour of the mouse. You only lose out if you get it wrong three times. So a strategy doesn't have to be certain or get it right first time to be "correct" or "worthwhile". The only thing you're graded on is how long it takes you to find the right culprit, on your third guess or better. Anything that speeds that up is worthwhile. Just 'cause shooting people "just in case" or guessing in detective work is generally considered a bad idea in real life doesn't mean it isn't sensible in the context of the game. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 14:40, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I'm inclined to agree with [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]. You don't lose anything if you shoot two liars, except maybe a second, and the odds of getting lucky and shooting the guilty party are not all that bad. Additionally many people would not necessarily think of "Wasting" bullets on innocent civilians, so it is a worthwhile thing to record. — {{User:Geshmalderborgen/sig}} 20:28, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I added a new strategy paragraph dealing with an observation I made regarding "bad liars". I wasn't really sure if it might be considered a goof or if it was obviously intentional. Specifically, I had the Old Lady answer "potted plant" to two different suspects and then answer with her own picture when questioned about two different items that were not her own. Additionally, I had a later session where a character indicated the mechanic when asked about the beer, but when asked about the mechanic, answered "pencil". I'm starting to wonder if all liars will have some sort of inconsistency in their stories. And does anyone know if the Egg Haver is always a liar? -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 06:29, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

:I recently did no less than 20 trials in a row. Every single time the person with the egg was a liar. Short of decompiling the flash, which is beyond my ability, I'm not sure if there is a way to truely know, but 20/20 seems pretty convincing. One other thing I paid attention to was if the person with the egg reliably pointed at someone else. More often than not, he was a "?," but considering most people are "?" I suspect this isn't an indicator.
:Assuming that the egg holder is alway a a liar, which I have come to belive he is, and considering that there are generally 3-4 liars, you have a 2/3-2/4 chance of discovering the egg holder just by shooting liars, which I'd say is actually a pretty decent strategy.
:Sometimes this strategy of discovering liars gives some amusing results, The most amusing one I encountered though was a liar who said he was the person with the egg, but didn't have it.[[User:75.180.26.208|75.180.26.208]] 08:12, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
::Well, I've decompiled it and am browsing through the script now. I'm not a professional programmer, but some of it is fairly straightforward. Interestingly enough, I think I've already found a programming error that explains a strange response I documented earlier. The code that tells a liar what suspect to answer when questioned about an item checks that the random answer doesn't match the liar's "item ID" instead of correctly checking against the liar's "suspect ID". This means that a liar can answer with their own face when questioned about an item that isn't theirs. That's definitely a glitch. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 17:31, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
:::No, it isn't. It is indeed a lie to say you have it when you don't. I suppose one could argue that it would have been better to program it so no one falsely incriminates themselves, but that's hardly a glitch. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:45, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
::::Ok, here we go - each section of the decompiled script has checks to ensure that a liar does not give their own location, item, or photo (or the "correct" ones, for that matter) as an answer when questioned about another item or person. However, when a liar is questioned about an item, and is randomly assigned to answer with a photo (as opposed to a location), there is a check against an ITEM ID instead of a SUSPECT ID, which is incorrect. I'm adding the relevant items back into the article, and have posted the offending source code snippet to [[User_Talk:ReverendTed|my Talk page]], because I didn't want to clutter up this discussion page with it. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 18:57, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

== Subtitles? ==

I don't know if Where's an Egg? is one of the games that can be subtitled, but if so it could be neat to include approximate translations of the Russian...

My guess is that it's not possible to subtitle, though... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Your guess is wrong. {{User:Mee/sig}} 22:24, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:Well, partially — I was only able to subtitle [[Subtitles:wheresanegg/en|part of it]], since the rest of the text is embedded in movie files, I think. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== Music ==

At the begining, when the Videlectrix logo apears, but before the guy shoots at it, the music playing is The Volga Boatmen's Song, traditional Russian song.

:That's awesome. (I just verified it) Great find! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:39, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

== Ron Cumberdale ==

The character listed as "Kid Speedy" has red hair, but the real Kid Speedy has brown/gray hair. Ron Cumberdale from Peasant's Quest, however, has the same shirt AND red hair. Edit? [[User:75.119.20.104|75.119.20.104]] 01:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
:<s>I agree. I think "Kid Speedy" is just an updated version of [[Ron Cumberdale]].</s> On second thought, I disagree. Look at these three photos.

<gallery>
Image:Where's an Egg - Suspects - Kid Speedy.png|WAE? suspect
Image:kidspeedy.PNG|Kid Speedy
Image:roncumberdale.PNG|Ron Cumberdale
</gallery>

The skin tone, dark red shorts, same darkred/white striped shirt, and red shoes all match. It's Kid Speedy. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 01:37, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

As the one who originally suggested it as Kid Speedy, I concur with the original. [[User:Awexome Cross|Awexome Cross]] 04:27, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

:I agree — I think it's Kid Speedy. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
::Sorry, I was agreeing with the first one. [[User:Awexome Cross|Awexome Cross]] 04:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Oh, I see. In that case, I disagree — I think it's Kid Speedy. He's fat and has shorts instead of pants... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
::::I just edited it and put Kid Speedy back but kept the Ron Cumberdale thing in. Basically, we don't know who it is unless someone got told it was Kid Speedy/Ron Cumberdale by TBC. They're the only ones who truly know. — {{User:Znex/sig}} 09:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::I propose that it's "Kid Cumberdale" -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 03:26, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::No way. That's totally Ron Speedy. (Jeepers, that sounds like a bad Golden Age superhero...) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 03:28, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Ron Speedy IS Kid Cumberdale IN "Where's an Egg?", an epic tale of crime and corruption where Justice isn't all it's cracked up to be - coming soon to a theater near you! -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 06:26, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

==Dynamic Music==

Has anyone else noticed how there is a base music track, and depending on which suspect you are interrogating, changes the extra line on top of it? eg, when you're interrogating blue guy with red hat, there's a sliding squarewave melody, and at the end when you get the medal, it has all the lines.
:Ummm...there's already a section about this back up the page. — {{User:Znex/sig}}

== Explanation about the Missing Points in my Last Edit ==

If around one hour ago, you were wondering why that the red cross reply point and the Stalin point were missing, I can explain everything. Before, I think I reverted the page or something by accident to the last time that it had Kid Speedy in the characters thing and that version happened to not have those things. So sorry about that. Sorry. — {{User:Znex/sig}}

== Not The Egg ==

It seems rather clear thar "an egg" has an integral article--it is refered to as such even in situations where "the egg" would be more appropriate, as it is clear this egg is the only egg in the game. --[[User:71.221.232.189|71.221.232.189]] 17:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

== Translation Error ==

This is not the first time there has been a synonym based mistranslation on the site. Here, they used the russian word for river bank instead of financial bank. In Unnatural, Bub's title in Jappanese was "Man of Concession" meaning compromise instead of vending. Think this should be mentioned?
:Nah, it could be a word pun and TBC just did it because it means different things. — {{User:Znex/sig}}
::I don't know whether it's noteworthy yet, but it is an interesting observation. TBC are obviously using some less-than-reliable method for generating their translations (although it makes me happy that they're trying to make stuff not just be gibberish). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:44, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Perhaps they used Babelfish? — {{User:Znex/sig}}
::::Nah, it's not Babelfish, that translates "Bank" as "Крен" (kren). Google Translate translates it as "Банка" (banka). However, Google finds http://www.rustran.com/ which, although it translates "Bank" as "Банк", it translates "Who is lying?" as "Кто лежит?" and "Who has an egg?" as "Кто имеет яйцо?" – both are the wording used in [[eggction]], and both are claimed to be wrong in that article. It even translates "Where's an egg?" as "Где - яйцо?", hyphen included. It's near the top of the Google results for "english russian translator" so I think it's reasonable to think they did a similar Google search, and used this site. I'm not quite sure how they got it to say "берег" but I'll keep prodding it. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 02:57, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::I was the one who first noted the берег-bank thing, and I figured it out using a Russian-English dictionary I found using a Google search and plugging in "museum" and "bank" into it to see if anything matched the inscription on the building. I'll see if I can find that link and see if the rest of the stuff translates the same as well. Ok, I found it here [[http://www.freedict.com/onldict/rus.html]] but, being a dictionary, it doesn't translate phrases - only single words. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 05:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::An older example of this situation is Strong Bad's "Stark Dålig" from [[little questions]], since the latter word translates as "of poor quality". {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 09:36, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

==Sbemail Reference==
There is no reference on the page anywhere to the sbemail that mentioned the game, i think it should be here
:That is because none of the sbemails mention this game. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:30, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
::I think it was listed on a floppy disk once, but I've never seen those noted in Inside References elsewhere, so... -{{User:YK/sig}} 18:46, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
:::It was on a [[floppy disk container|floppy disk]] in the introductions for [[strongbad_email.exe Disc Three]] and [[strongbad_email.exe Disc Five|Disc Five]], but not in a Strong Bad Email. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 19:09, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

== Decompiled Script Findings ==

I'm going to edit this as I find things in the decompiled script.
*The suspect who has an Egg is always a liar.
*A liar's answers are randomly assigned for each suspect and item and are checked to ensure they aren't accidentally "correct". They're also checked to ensure a liar doesn't answer with their own location, item, or picture, but the item-question photo-answer check has a programming error that causes it to malfunction. The way they are randomly assigned almost guarantees that there will be some sort of inconsistency in a liar's answers (two of the same answers for different questions, or logical breaks like "suspect A has item 1 but item 1 belongs to suspect B").
*People have been suggesting that there are 3 or 4 liars per game, but the code seems to indicate 5 liars are assigned, meaning that there would be 5 or 6 liars per game depending on if it tried to assign "liar" status to the egg holder (who is already a liar). So far, my in-game tests are confirming this.
*One honest suspect is selected at random to answer correctly about an Egg. Three additional suspects are then chosen at random (which could include the one already selected) to give an answer about an Egg, which will be correct or incorrect based on whether that suspect is honest or a liar. This means there will be 3 or 4 suspects who will give an answer about an Egg, and at least one will be correct.
-{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 19:29, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

==Not a goof==
"A programming error allows a liar to answer with their own picture when questioned about an item that isn't theirs". The liar always responds with a lie. How is it a goof that he lies and claims to own an item he does not? In traditional one-person-always-lies one-person-always-tells-the-truth logic puzzles, this is one way to out the liar, by asking him a question about himself. [[User:Nard|Nard]] 00:14, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

:I agree with you — I wouldn't call that a goof. Actually, I think it's pretty hilarious; one time the butler told me had the egg, so I shot him. He did not have the egg. Anyways, I agree, and I think that the fact should be moved to Remarks. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:17, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
::If it's something TBC could have avoided, Remarks, otherwise, Glitches. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 00:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Definitely not a glitch - how can we be sure this wasn't intentional to offer the player a strategic tool? It can be a remark, so long as we do not suppose it's a mistake, but just the way things were done. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:10, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

== WHY ARE YOU REVERTING THESE EDITS? ==

I keep seeing edits being reverted that are factual, including mine and someone else's, but removed because the game isn't "russian" when there is a lot of RUSSIAN stuff in the game.
* Everything is written in russian.
* The guy at the end is a pixel look alike of Josef Stalin.
* The three spaceships that fly by are all russian made.
* The three spaceships are a reference to Tetris, a russian video game.
* The wiki itself explains that the game has russian references (read the damn article, especially the trivia section!)
The edits were...
* The fact the game is in Russian meaning you can't understand what's going on and have to make guess work.
* The fact that on the "Some Type of Online Auction" page a reference to the film ''Man With the Screaming Brain'' is made, and the specific reference is about a russian.
If you're going to remove our edits of things we found in the game based on Russia then remove ALL topics in the game based on russia. Which would include the whole article!

Explain yourselves!

-[[Skunk|User:Skunk]] (I'm not logged in because this and others were quick edits.)
:The game doesn't require any actual knowledge of Russian to play, however. That's why. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 08:47, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
::Furthermore, even if you did know Russian, you still would be quite clueless. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 09:52, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Where's an Egg?

TreeWithAChainsaw — Sat, 11 Aug 2007 14:44:35 GMT

TreeWithAChainsaw: /* Names of People, Places and iTems */

==Character themes==

I just noticed something. Every character has their own variation on the theme that plays in that person's presence. Whenever you ask a character about another character, or they answer a question about that character, that character's theme will be played along with the theme of the character you're speaking with. But when only items and places are involved in the question (or the occasional super-bad liar who answers a question with him/herself when it's patently not true), you'll hear only the one character's theme. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:53, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
: Though sometimes it'll fail to play both themes together... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
: Oh, yeah, and when you win, it'll play what sounds like all the themes together. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:03, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

==Multiple endings==

I've found that depending on how quickly I finish the games. So far, I've found four:
*Fireworks only — 900 seconds or less left
*Fireworks and a white satellite-looking spaceship — 901-940 seconds left
*Fireworks, a white satellite-looking spaceship, and a yellow/brown spaceship — 941-970 seconds left
*Fireworks, a white satellite-looking spaceship, a yellow/brown spaceship, and a gray/green spaceship with an alien coming out — 971 or more seconds left
I'm unsure whether there are any other endings for amounts of time left much smaller than the above. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 17:12, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:My guess is that the 3rd one is a space lab and the "alien" that comes out is a cosmonaut performing a space walk.

:I managed to win a few times just by shooting at everyone immediately. My best time is 994 and all I get is the sputnik, the rocket and the space lab.

:[[User:Nsayer|Nsayer]] 18:08, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Those aren't just any "spaceships", those are definitely meant to refer to the Sputnik satellites.

The first is Sputnik. The second is probably [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vostok_1 Vostok 1], with Yuri Gagarin, the first human in space. The third is [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voskhod_2 Voskhod 2], with Aleksei Leonov, the first human to perform a spacewalk. [[User:CaseyG|CaseyG]] 01:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:Dead on - good work! They definitely appear to be celebrating Russia's "firsts" in space. First man-made satellite, first human in space, and first spacewalk. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 02:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Just to let you know, I let the time run down to 96 before getting bored, and nothing unusual happened when I shot the culprit. So it doesn't seem there are any other endings. Why the heck they think people need as much time as they give is totally and utterly beyond me - the amount of time is ridiculously high and takes forever to run down! - but whatever. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:30, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:Yeah, I let it run down to 001 and shot the culprit — just the normal ending. Also, I agree: 1000 seconds is unnecessary. I will say, though, that the first time I played it I was completely clueless, so it was nice that I could take my time stumbling around and trying to figure out what was going on. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 08:46, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:::This is Forum fodder primarily, but I'll briefly add that being timed out when learning a game is really frustrating and turns me off, and that may be a reason behind TBC's use of such a long timeout. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 09:17, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== Locations, suspects, and items ==
Here are my attempts at identifying the locations, suspects, and items. I'm not sure of all of them, especially the ones with question marks. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 18:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
===Locations===
*Aquarium
*Forest
*Museum (?)
*Siberia (thanks, [[Special:Contributions/70.116.132.84|70.116.132.84]])
*City
*Desert
*Beach
*Movie theater
*Pier

===Suspects===
*Butler
*Blue hat man
*Maid
*Blonde woman
*[[Wikipedia:John McEnroe|John McEnroe]] (I think — recall that Homestar [[:Image:Homestar JohnMcEnroe.PNG|previously dressed up as him]])
*Mechanic
*Old Woman
*[[Kid Speedy]]
*Red hat man

===Items===
*[[Egg]]
*Potted plant
*Strawberry
*[[Alcohol|Beer]]
*Pencil
*Bomb
*Duffel bag
*Monkey wrench
*Slingshot
*Cat

I think once the locations, items, suspects are re-ordered, we can pull the stub tag off the article. Lots of great info and we have the basics now. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 22:19, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:The proposed Kid Speedy is still listed as "Red-haired boy" on the page. Also, he could be [[Ron Cumberdale]] instead. [[User:72.133.214.202|72.133.214.202]] 04:51, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

== Item Talk ==

I have noticed, if people talk about an item when you question them about the egg, talk about the item. They will then tell you a person, and a place. If the person is at that place with the item, they usually have the egg. If they ARN'T at that spot, the one who gave you the info usually has the egg. Anyone have this not happen? (Notice I said USUALLY)--[[User:Bobmuffins|Bobmuffins]] 18:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

This is true, because all characters either always lie or always tell the truth [[User:68.54.84.110|68.54.84.110]] 19:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

== Painfully dumb question... ==

How do you play the game if you don't speak or read Russian?
:Actual game play requires no knowledge of Russian, since it done completely with pictures. The Russian writing is meaningless or poorly done, anyway. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 19:21, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

- Hey; erm, I have no real idea about wiki ettiquete but I just wanted to say that the Russian is all more or less correct and certainly not meaningless. Here goes: The title, 'gde yaitso' indeed means 'where is the/an egg?' (although the dash in the middle is not needed) - the reference to 'gde yaichko' that is made on the corresponding wiki article on this topic is wrong; 'yaichko' is a diminuitive form roughly equivalent to 'eggy'. 'Gde yaitso' i.e. as written in the game is the best translatoin for 'Where's an Egg?'. On the loading screen, 'televizionniy elektricheskiy' - 'televisual electrical' is fairly senseless but apart from that, the rest of the russian is correct. When you shoot the egg-haver, 'vinovnik' (criminal) appears, and then 'pozdravlenie' (congratulations). If you get it wrong, 'vinovnik' again appears, followed by 'gulag' (russians tend to use the simpler word 'lager'' but gulag is a russian acronym) and then 'igra zakonchenniy' - the only real example of incorrect grammar. It means 'game over' but should be 'igra zakonchennaya' to account for the feminine gender of 'igra'. Hardly 'meaningless or poorly done'. I was pretty surprised with the quality of the russian, to be honest
:: Since it clear you know Russian, and I definitely do not, I would bow to your superior knowledge. In this case, I would say writing up this information in the wiki directly would be much appreciated. (Perhaps under a translation section?) {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 20:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

The Russian text is only used for the title screen and the "congraturatory" address. "Dialogue" in the game itself is handled through pictograms ("Blue Rabbit's Climate Chaos" comes to mind, although this is much more simplistic). Basically, you go around "investigating" each area, confirming which characters are where and which items they're holding, and questioning the characters about other characters and items; if you find someone who's lying, odds are he/she is the culprit, and you do what any good renegade Russian detective would: you shoot them! ^_^--[[User:Tenka Muteki|Tenka Muteki]] 19:22, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

: Actually, I find that about half the suspects lie, whether they have the egg or not. But really, since everyone either always lies or always tells the truth, all you have to do is find someone who gives you a clue about the egg and says even one other true thing. (Don't bother asking anyone, truthteller or liar, about him/herself or his/her own item, though.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:20, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

==Too many colors==
When you hover over a button, it gradients from gray to yellow (and back again when you remove) Thats waaaaay too many shades of yellow for a game like this. Maybe put this in remarks or goofs. I have bad edit etiquette :P
:Hardly. I think the gradient is a nice touch, and it was definitely intentional, as part of the game. Definitely not a goof. [[User:The 3000th flare|The_3000th_Flare]]
::This is a ridiculous claim, and I will have no part in this discussion... oh crap, I already did. So, best thing to do is... to go back and not listen to that message, and then we've got nothing to worry about. Oh, wait... in fact...
::...tcaf ni ...tiaw ,hO .tuoba yrrow ot gnihton tog ev'ew neht dna ,egassem taht ot netsil ton dna kcab og ot ...si od ot gniht tseb ,oS .did ydaerla I ,parc ho ...noissucsid siht ni trap on evah lliw I dna ,mialc suolucidir a si sihT
::Okay, there. I think I reversed it. What? What do you ''mean'' that doesn't work? Oh, crap. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:37, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

==Screen shot==
Since the game is out for reals and looks different from the preview shot that was originally up, shouldn't we use a screen shot of actual game play? Do we include both images on the page? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 20:47, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
:I went ahead and replaced the old image with the new one, since that's what we did with [[Kid Speedy]]. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 21:02, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

== Maid ==
[[Image:Where's an Egg - Suspects - Maid.png|thumb|Totally a butcher.]]
Which person is supposed to be the maid? Process of elimination of all the other characters left a person who appears to be a butcher.--[[User:Another Freakin' Guy Named Daniel|Another Freakin' Guy Named Daniel]] 21:26, 16 July 2007 (UTC) Also, which one is supposed to be the movie theater? Process of elimination left what resembles the Lincoln Memorial.

I think the one with the red rope and yellowish wall is the movie theater.- [[User:70.243.66.159|70.243.66.159]] 16:09, 17 July 2007 (UTC) (Everybody! Sorry, forgot to sign in...)

== Ending Screen ==

That's not a police station, it's Lenin's Mausoleum (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenin%27s_Mausoleum)
:Apparently we don't know too much 'bout Russia. Thanks for pointing that out! {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 21:47, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Also the word vinovnik (виновник) would be better translated as "guilty person". Criminal is prestupnik (преступник) in Russian.

We would probably use "culprit" in English.--[[User:Tenka Muteki|Tenka Muteki]] 23:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

That "uniformed man" looks like Stalin [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/4d/Stalin_02.jpg]. Well, as much as 'good graphics' can allow, anyways ;). It's got his mustache. Given that the game seems to be set in Soviet Russia, there is more than a good chance that it's suppose to be Stalin. What does everyone else thing? {{unsigned|67.71.64.144|23:28, 17 July 2007 (UTC)}}

:I'm all for it. It looks enough like him to me, and it certainly fits with the Russian theme. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:57, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

::It seems very likely. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 00:00, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

:Does anyone not think it's Stalin?

::I think it ''could'' be, but are we sure enough for this not to be considered undue speculation? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:07, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

::To me, it has the following point for it being Stalin:
:::the setting is Soivet Russia
:::the medal is given out at Lenin's Mausoleum, and Stalin stood atop of Lenin's Mausoleum during the post-WWII victory parade (it's the kind of place a Soviet dictator would give out a medal)
:::The mustache and uniform look like Stalin's, and not like any other Soviet dictator (No other Soviet dictator had a mustach like that, although Lenin did have a goatee, he wasn't known for wearing a uniform and would, persumably, be in his tomb)
:::Stalin might actually want someone shot for stealing an egg (and I'm only half joking on that last one)
::I don't see any points against it being Stalin. I cannot discount it being some other uniformed mustachio'd Soviet authority figure, like some head of the KGB or something, but no others come to mind
::Does anyone know someone else that might fit that discritpion? {{unsigned|67.71.64.144|02:12, 18 July 2007}}

:::I '''strongly oppose''' the idea that it's Stalin. It's just a guy in a uniform. There were many of those if Soviet Russia, Lenin's tomb was used by every Soviet leader for parades, and Stalin was dead years before those spacecrafts were launched. I also see absoluetly no persuavive reason why it ''should'' be Stalin.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:56, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

::::I see your point, but I don't think the timeline matters too much — John McEnroe wasn't even born when Sputnik was launched, for example. Rather, I think these other famous historical Russian appearances strengthen the case for it being Stalin. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 05:14, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

:::::Stalin is in this game, but not the uniformed man. It's the man pictured immediately above this thread.
:::::: Were it not for the timeline, I would say it was certainly Stalin. Both the mustache and uniform are too close to be coincidence. Even with the timeline problems, I think Stalin is still the best fit. He is certainly the most obvious mustached man in a Russian uniform. In fact I can't think of any other who would be appropriate. —{{User:Geshmalderborgen/sig}} 21:15, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

:::What is being ignored, perhaps, is the quote of Stalin's (though far from originally his) that "You can't make an omelet without breaking eggs." It is often falsely attributed to him. [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&safe=off&rls=com.microsoft%3Aen-us%3AIE-SearchBox&rlz=1I7RNWN&q=Make+omelet+breaking+eggs+stalin Do I really need to give you a google link to it?]

== Suspect and location images ==

While the suspect and location images were originally icons, they have now been overwritten with full-sized images. Personally, I prefer the icons for three reasons:
#The full body characters are much taller than the rest of the images, which makes the table look a little lopsided.
#<s>The icon images are pixel-for-pixel, whereas there are some cropping issues with the full-sized images (compare the {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/images/archive/5/5b/20070716220648%21Where%27s_an_Egg_-_Suspects_-_Maid.png butcher icon}} with the {{p|l=http://www.hrwiki.org/images/archive/5/5b/20070716235952%21Where%27s_an_Egg_-_Suspects_-_Maid.png full-body butcher}})</s> (fixed)
#We don't need to illustrate every component of the game completely, just give an icon for identification purposes.
Does anyone agree, or are we happy with the staus quo? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:30, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
: I think the table is fine as is, especially with the ability to expand the locations to a larger size. Perhaps making the size of the icons closer to the same size (using the item icons as a guide)? {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 22:36, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

::The icons are fine by me, alhtough the cropping issues can easily be fixed. If you think reverting back to icons is the better choice, by all means, go for it. I don't see a problem with keeping the locations as full shots, however. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 22:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

== Names of People, Places and iTems ==

Using a decompiler, the names are '''Jessifer, Pall, Brodermaker, Mancuso, Damella, Deark, Gubby, Les and Joeff'''. The places are called '''Seward Lane, Hollway, A Room, Gym, Bank, Gumption Road, Upstairs, Nearby and Under'''. The items are called '''Bottle, Ball, Butterfly, Dog, Gym Bag, Fanny Pack, Frying Pan, Candlestick and Laptop'''. Not sure which is which. I might have another look later on when I'm home from school.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

:That's crazy :P Especially since some of those names bear little resemblance to the items... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
::I'm more surprised they put all the names there. By the way, nice work on the [[looking old]] reference. --{{User:TotalSpaceshipGuy3/sig}} 23:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I have a Flash decompiler and I'm not finding these names anywhere in the image files. Where are YOU finding them? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
: Never mind; I found them, but I see no indication of which is which, unless they define them in numerical order as the images appear (and who could tell - there aren't any bottles or balls to be seen anyway!) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:19, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
The internal names Loafing listed don't appear to actually be used anywhere... the only time these lists of names are even mentioned is that the list of placenames is added to a non-existant (or no-longer-existant) drop-down list on the map screen (possibly a stub, before they made the pretty buttons?). They seem to only be there for debugging purposes. However, it's reasonable to assume that, as debugging tools, they're in the same order as the numerical ids that everything's stored with, which'll make them:
{| border="0"
|
{| border="1" style="border-collapse: collapse"
|- style="background: #EEE"
! colspan="2" | Places
|- style="background: #EEE"
! Their name !! Our name
|-
| Seward Lane || Aquarium
|-
| Hollway || Park
|-
| A Room || Icy Mountains
|-
| Gym || Bank
|-
| Bank || Beach
|-
| Gumption Road || Desert
|-
| Upstairs || City
|-
| Nearby || Art Museum
|-
| Under || Bridge
|}
|
{| border="1" style="border-collapse: collapse"
|- style="background: #EEE"
! colspan="2" | Items
|- style="background: #EEE"
! Their name !! Our name
|-
| Bottle || Wrench
|-
| Ball || Beer
|-
| Butterfly || Cat
|-
| Dog || Slingshot
|-
| Gym Bag || Pencil
|-
| Fanny Pack || Gym Bag
|-
| Frying Pan || Bomb
|-
| Candlestick || Potted Plant
|-
| Laptop || Strawberry
|}
|
{| border="1" style="border-collapse: collapse"
|- style="background: #EEE"
! colspan="2" | People
|- style="background: #EEE"
! Their name !! Our name
|-
| Jessifer || Blonde Woman
|-
| Pall || Blue hat man
|-
| Brodermaker || Old Woman
|-
| Mancuso || Butler
|-
| Damella || Mechanic
|-
| Deark || Red hat man
|-
| Gubby || Butcher
|-
| Les || Kid Speedy/Ron Cumberdale
|-
| Joeff || John McEnroe
|}
|}
It seems clear that these debugging names were used ''well before'' the current art was made... it's odd that the one named "Bank" is one ''after'' the real Bank, and the "Gym Bag" is one ''before'' the real Gym Bag... but that's the order they are in the Flash file. I don't think the names warrant mentioning in the article... which is why I made the full tables here on the talk page. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 14:35, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

: We should definitely keep our names in the articles; they're much clearer [[User:The 3000th flare|The_3000th_Flare]] 18:03, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
::I think we should put TBC names in the Trivia section. [[User:TreeWithAChainsaw|TreeWithAChainsaw]] 14:44, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

== The Manual ==

The manual page is really funny in the way, that its English translation is more correct then the original Russian text :)

* The word at the top of the page "Узнать" (Uznat') is correct, it really does mean "Find out";
* The line "Кто лежит?" (Kto lezhit?) is a mistake and actually means here "Who is lying on the ground?" rather then "Who is telling lies/lying?". This is because in English the verb "to lie" can mean both of those things, but in Russian it's "лежать" (lezhat') for "lying on the ground" and "лгать" (lgat') for "telling the lies/lying". So the line should be "Кто лжет?" (Kto lzhet?);
* The line "Кто говорит правду?" (Kto govorit pravdu?) is correct, it does mean "Who tells the truth?";
* The line "Кто имеет яйцо?" (Kto imeet yaico?) is a bit incorrect and means "Who owns an egg?". "У кого яйцо?" (U kogo yaico?) could be translated as "Who has the egg?"

Another note: The Arbat ST. (location of the seller) is a well-known street in Moscow (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbat_Street).
: This would be excellent information for the [[Some Type of Online Auction]] page, where the Arbat Street reference is already noted. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 00:33, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== Musie Theater? ==

I'm quite confident that the image given the label "Theater" is actually the museum. It looks just like an art museum display and... not at all like a movie theater. The other one's kind of ambiguous as to WHAT it is, but I'm quite sure on the "Theater". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:The other one looks like some kinda government building. Maybe if someone could translate the Russian on the building, it would shed some light on this? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:47, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:For now, I swapped the Theater one (pictures with a velvet rope) in the correct place. (Compare with the theater in [[the movies]]) I did notice that the one current marked "Museum" has some Russian writing on it. If someone would translate that, in addition to finding out what how the image is marked internally, for now it's probably better to leave the images where they are. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 00:51, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::You... you swapped it from my swap. The one with the ropes looks more like an art museum. Why would the ropes be so close to the pictures otherwise? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::: I have seen plenty of movie theaters that have velvet ropes along the walls; they are used when they have people line up before the start of movie for a major opening. The other picture is clearly ''not'' a movie theater, so we need to wait until we have further info. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 01:20, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:::: But who was it that called it a "movie theater" in the first place? US! There is no "further info" besides maybe someone with a flash compiler or a translation of the pillar building. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:05, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:::: Know what? Forget it. I don't want an edit war. I'm compromising with simple descriptions no one can dispute. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:35, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

It looks from [[#Names of People, Places and iTems|above]] that one of these (probably the one with the pillars) is a bank, but who knows with the weirdness of the rest of the names. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:58, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:If the one current marked as Museum is indeed a bank, I would have no problem making the other a museum. Right now, it's unclear. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 01:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::Ok, so can we call the one with the velvet ropes a "Museum" now? -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 03:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:::I think that sounds reasonable. At first, I thought it was a movie theater, but the more I look at it, the more those look like pieces of art. Especially the one on the left. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:57, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::::And y'know - who named that last one a "pier"? Looks more like a bridge to me. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 04:15, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

The gray one with what looks like "bEPER" on it is a bank. "берег" is Russian for "bank" according to some online English-Russian dictionary I just Googled. I submit that the one with the velvet ropes is an art musuem. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 02:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:About the museum one, I think it's an ''art'' museum. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 12:16, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::Agreed. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 12:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== Glitch or not? ==

Someone on the forums mentioned a glitch where, if you click on the top left corner a lot of times as the game starts, you can win with a timer score of 000. This is only if the person in the aquarium has the egg. I tried it and it worked, but I'm not sure if it's really a glitch or not. Thoughts? {{User:Shwoo/sig}} 03:55, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:Additionally, each time I've done it (by clicking the area of the screen where the Aquarium icon and gun icon overlap) the timer freezes at 000, but at the "Win" screen the timer reads 999 and all three spacecraft appear. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 04:23, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:: Just reproduced it myself, although given other Flash-related artifacts like this, I imagine that the way-way-way-way-way-too-generous timer starts at 1000 and it just chops off the first digit... and perhaps drops it down to a normal value afterwards. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:22, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Don't know if it's really a "glitch" if it only works when the suspect in the ''aquarium'' has the egg. That would make it more a matter of luck. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 12:39, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::::Glitches that only happen under specific circumstances are still glitches. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 15:53, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::Yes, but if the person in the aquarium has the egg, all you need to do is keep clicking the top left to finish the game in less than a second. That combined with the explanation you gave earlier about the timer actually being 1000 seconds, ''I'' think, completely disproves the glitch theory. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 19:34, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::The internal timer variable starts at 999 (which is what you see at the "win" screen), but the display in-game starts at 000 (not 1000) and is only updated a second after the game starts, the first time the "update timer" function's called. I think this qualifies as a minor glitch (namely that the display doesn't match the actual timer value for a second after the game starts). {{User:Phlip/sig}} 12:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::[http://youtube.com/watch?v=JqQ-r2mGe0Q Here] is a link to a video on youtube which shows someone winning when the timer displays 000. [[User:Don't press that button.|Don't press that button.]] 15:08, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::::I don't consider this to be a glitch — just somebody beating the game really quickly with 1000 seconds left on the clock (which looks like 000 because only three digits are permitted). {{User:Trey56/sig}} 15:28, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::::But it's not 1000 seconds left on the clock - it's 999 seconds (as you can see at the win screen). The "glitch" is that the timer isn't visibly incremented down until it gets to 998.-{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 03:29, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::::::Yeah. I just managed to do that, twice! But yeah, it's not visibly incremented until a few seconds after the start of the game. — {{User:Znex/sig}} 05:00, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

== Jack Orlando ==

Can anyone confirm the "Jack Orlando" Real-World Reference? The screenshots I've seen of that game look absolutely nothing like this one. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 03:59, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== Dead People Tell Tales? ==

When I play the game, I killed someone and ask him about something and he replyed with a + sign. This should go into remarks I think. - Toonypie from the Fanstuff Wiki.

: It's a red cross - they're only capable of answering questions with requests for medical aid, seeing as how they've been shot and all. [[User:Nsayer|Nsayer]] 18:45, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

==5 Time win with no intention==
I won 5 times in this game just by going around and shooting 3 random people. It was awesome. YOU should try it!-MikeControl
:I think more people would be interested if you told them on the IRC channel. {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 19:29, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
: You have a one-in-three chance of getting it right by shooting random people. Those aren't terrible odds, so your five times in a row was just luck. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:13, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
:: That was sheer luck. I accidentally got 998 by clicking the gun after clicking the aquarium. --[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 01:52, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
::(1/3)^5 = 1/243. That's some luck. {{unsigned|68.121.111.150|12:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)}}
:::He never actually said he won five times in a row, just that he won five times. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 12:24, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
:38%, not 33%. 1/9 (.111) on the first shot, 1/8 (.125) to then get it on the second and 1/7 (.143) to then get it on the third. 37.9%. Big deal you say? .379^5 is 1/128. But yeah, don't know that it was five consecutive.--[[User:71.203.169.248|71.203.169.248]] 07:14, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
::No, it's 33%. You're picking three of nine. If you really want to compute it the hard way, you have to take into account the probability of choosing incorrectly on the first and second tries. So, there's a 1/9 (.111) chance of being right on the first try, a 8/9 * 1/8 (.888 * .125) chance of being wrong on the first try and right on the second try, and a 8/9 * 7/8 * 1/7 (.888 * .825 * .143) chance of being wrong twice and then right. Add them all up and you get -- surprise, surprise -- a .333 chance of winning by shooting at random.

== Fabergé eggs? ==

When you talk about Russian eggs being stolen, it's almost certain that this is a reference to [[wikipedia:Fabergé_Eggs|Fabergé eggs]]. [[User:Nsayer|Nsayer]] 18:36, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:I guess it could be a reference to Fabergé eggs. But it could also be [[TTATOT]]. {{User:Sam the Man/sig}} 18:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::I think the egg being stolen is just a joke (because no one would shoot a person to get back a stolen ''egg''). {{User:Homestar-winner/sig}} 19:04, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== Strategy shortcut ==

:''Because they cannot provide you with useful information, it is worthwhile to shoot the first two suspects you know to be lying. One of them might just have the egg.''
I'm not sure why this keeps getting removed. It seems like a reasonable strategy to me. After you've played the game a bit, you know you really only need one bullet. The other two are just going to waste. Why not use them on the liars? Their info is no good, and you may get lucky and finish with a better time. If it doesn't work out, then you've still got your last bullet to use in the conventional way. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:32, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:What's a waste of time is shooting suspects who may not have the egg. It's much better to be sure who the real culprit is than to leave it to luck, even if it turns out to be someone you've seen before. Like [http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?p=599475&highlight=#599475 this trick] I use. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 21:37, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::It takes just over one extra second to shoot the liars. That seems an acceptable tradeoff for the amount of time it would take to keep going normally. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:44, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Well of course you can use any other strategy and just shoot any liars you come across. But that doesn't make this a strategy in itself. Any player could simply decide to do that; it doesn't take any real thought. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 22:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
::::No real thought? ''Au contraire!'' The suggestion is not to shoot people ''indiscriminantly'', but to shoot the first two liars you see (which takes some determining). You're not going back to a location where a liar is anyway—unless you have to confront the egg holder there. You could save a lot of time by going ahead and using your spare bullets before you leave the location. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::Uh, that's exactly what I just said. This does not take any "real thought" because it is not a strategy as much as it is an add-on to another strategy. Yes it takes "some determining" to recognize liars, but methods for doing so are described in any strategy (including strategies we don't know). And it is not "worthwhile" to shoot the first known liars because it is so uncertain whether they would actually have the egg; the point of a solid strategy is ensuring correctness. — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 14:31, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::Note that the way the game works, you don't lose anything for shooting innocent civilians, except the brief second it takes for the detour of the mouse. You only lose out if you get it wrong three times. So a strategy doesn't have to be certain or get it right first time to be "correct" or "worthwhile". The only thing you're graded on is how long it takes you to find the right culprit, on your third guess or better. Anything that speeds that up is worthwhile. Just 'cause shooting people "just in case" or guessing in detective work is generally considered a bad idea in real life doesn't mean it isn't sensible in the context of the game. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 14:40, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::I'm inclined to agree with [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]. You don't lose anything if you shoot two liars, except maybe a second, and the odds of getting lucky and shooting the guilty party are not all that bad. Additionally many people would not necessarily think of "Wasting" bullets on innocent civilians, so it is a worthwhile thing to record. — {{User:Geshmalderborgen/sig}} 20:28, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

I added a new strategy paragraph dealing with an observation I made regarding "bad liars". I wasn't really sure if it might be considered a goof or if it was obviously intentional. Specifically, I had the Old Lady answer "potted plant" to two different suspects and then answer with her own picture when questioned about two different items that were not her own. Additionally, I had a later session where a character indicated the mechanic when asked about the beer, but when asked about the mechanic, answered "pencil". I'm starting to wonder if all liars will have some sort of inconsistency in their stories. And does anyone know if the Egg Haver is always a liar? -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 06:29, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

:I recently did no less than 20 trials in a row. Every single time the person with the egg was a liar. Short of decompiling the flash, which is beyond my ability, I'm not sure if there is a way to truely know, but 20/20 seems pretty convincing. One other thing I paid attention to was if the person with the egg reliably pointed at someone else. More often than not, he was a "?," but considering most people are "?" I suspect this isn't an indicator.
:Assuming that the egg holder is alway a a liar, which I have come to belive he is, and considering that there are generally 3-4 liars, you have a 2/3-2/4 chance of discovering the egg holder just by shooting liars, which I'd say is actually a pretty decent strategy.
:Sometimes this strategy of discovering liars gives some amusing results, The most amusing one I encountered though was a liar who said he was the person with the egg, but didn't have it.[[User:75.180.26.208|75.180.26.208]] 08:12, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
::Well, I've decompiled it and am browsing through the script now. I'm not a professional programmer, but some of it is fairly straightforward. Interestingly enough, I think I've already found a programming error that explains a strange response I documented earlier. The code that tells a liar what suspect to answer when questioned about an item checks that the random answer doesn't match the liar's "item ID" instead of correctly checking against the liar's "suspect ID". This means that a liar can answer with their own face when questioned about an item that isn't theirs. That's definitely a glitch. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 17:31, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
:::No, it isn't. It is indeed a lie to say you have it when you don't. I suppose one could argue that it would have been better to program it so no one falsely incriminates themselves, but that's hardly a glitch. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:45, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
::::Ok, here we go - each section of the decompiled script has checks to ensure that a liar does not give their own location, item, or photo (or the "correct" ones, for that matter) as an answer when questioned about another item or person. However, when a liar is questioned about an item, and is randomly assigned to answer with a photo (as opposed to a location), there is a check against an ITEM ID instead of a SUSPECT ID, which is incorrect. I'm adding the relevant items back into the article, and have posted the offending source code snippet to [[User_Talk:ReverendTed|my Talk page]], because I didn't want to clutter up this discussion page with it. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 18:57, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

== Subtitles? ==

I don't know if Where's an Egg? is one of the games that can be subtitled, but if so it could be neat to include approximate translations of the Russian...

My guess is that it's not possible to subtitle, though... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 21:48, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Your guess is wrong. {{User:Mee/sig}} 22:24, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

:Well, partially — I was only able to subtitle [[Subtitles:wheresanegg/en|part of it]], since the rest of the text is embedded in movie files, I think. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:26, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

== Music ==

At the begining, when the Videlectrix logo apears, but before the guy shoots at it, the music playing is The Volga Boatmen's Song, traditional Russian song.

:That's awesome. (I just verified it) Great find! {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:39, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

== Ron Cumberdale ==

The character listed as "Kid Speedy" has red hair, but the real Kid Speedy has brown/gray hair. Ron Cumberdale from Peasant's Quest, however, has the same shirt AND red hair. Edit? [[User:75.119.20.104|75.119.20.104]] 01:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
:<s>I agree. I think "Kid Speedy" is just an updated version of [[Ron Cumberdale]].</s> On second thought, I disagree. Look at these three photos.

<gallery>
Image:Where's an Egg - Suspects - Kid Speedy.png|WAE? suspect
Image:kidspeedy.PNG|Kid Speedy
Image:roncumberdale.PNG|Ron Cumberdale
</gallery>

The skin tone, dark red shorts, same darkred/white striped shirt, and red shoes all match. It's Kid Speedy. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 01:37, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

As the one who originally suggested it as Kid Speedy, I concur with the original. [[User:Awexome Cross|Awexome Cross]] 04:27, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

:I agree — I think it's Kid Speedy. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
::Sorry, I was agreeing with the first one. [[User:Awexome Cross|Awexome Cross]] 04:34, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Oh, I see. In that case, I disagree — I think it's Kid Speedy. He's fat and has shorts instead of pants... {{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:32, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
::::I just edited it and put Kid Speedy back but kept the Ron Cumberdale thing in. Basically, we don't know who it is unless someone got told it was Kid Speedy/Ron Cumberdale by TBC. They're the only ones who truly know. — {{User:Znex/sig}} 09:21, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::I propose that it's "Kid Cumberdale" -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 03:26, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::No way. That's totally Ron Speedy. (Jeepers, that sounds like a bad Golden Age superhero...) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 03:28, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::::Ron Speedy IS Kid Cumberdale IN "Where's an Egg?", an epic tale of crime and corruption where Justice isn't all it's cracked up to be - coming soon to a theater near you! -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 06:26, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

==Dynamic Music==

Has anyone else noticed how there is a base music track, and depending on which suspect you are interrogating, changes the extra line on top of it? eg, when you're interrogating blue guy with red hat, there's a sliding squarewave melody, and at the end when you get the medal, it has all the lines.
:Ummm...there's already a section about this back up the page. — {{User:Znex/sig}}

== Explanation about the Missing Points in my Last Edit ==

If around one hour ago, you were wondering why that the red cross reply point and the Stalin point were missing, I can explain everything. Before, I think I reverted the page or something by accident to the last time that it had Kid Speedy in the characters thing and that version happened to not have those things. So sorry about that. Sorry. — {{User:Znex/sig}}

== Not The Egg ==

It seems rather clear thar "an egg" has an integral article--it is refered to as such even in situations where "the egg" would be more appropriate, as it is clear this egg is the only egg in the game. --[[User:71.221.232.189|71.221.232.189]] 17:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

== Translation Error ==

This is not the first time there has been a synonym based mistranslation on the site. Here, they used the russian word for river bank instead of financial bank. In Unnatural, Bub's title in Jappanese was "Man of Concession" meaning compromise instead of vending. Think this should be mentioned?
:Nah, it could be a word pun and TBC just did it because it means different things. — {{User:Znex/sig}}
::I don't know whether it's noteworthy yet, but it is an interesting observation. TBC are obviously using some less-than-reliable method for generating their translations (although it makes me happy that they're trying to make stuff not just be gibberish). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:44, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
:::Perhaps they used Babelfish? — {{User:Znex/sig}}
::::Nah, it's not Babelfish, that translates "Bank" as "Крен" (kren). Google Translate translates it as "Банка" (banka). However, Google finds http://www.rustran.com/ which, although it translates "Bank" as "Банк", it translates "Who is lying?" as "Кто лежит?" and "Who has an egg?" as "Кто имеет яйцо?" – both are the wording used in [[eggction]], and both are claimed to be wrong in that article. It even translates "Where's an egg?" as "Где - яйцо?", hyphen included. It's near the top of the Google results for "english russian translator" so I think it's reasonable to think they did a similar Google search, and used this site. I'm not quite sure how they got it to say "берег" but I'll keep prodding it. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 02:57, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::I was the one who first noted the берег-bank thing, and I figured it out using a Russian-English dictionary I found using a Google search and plugging in "museum" and "bank" into it to see if anything matched the inscription on the building. I'll see if I can find that link and see if the rest of the stuff translates the same as well. Ok, I found it here [[http://www.freedict.com/onldict/rus.html]] but, being a dictionary, it doesn't translate phrases - only single words. -{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 05:30, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
::::::An older example of this situation is Strong Bad's "Stark Dålig" from [[little questions]], since the latter word translates as "of poor quality". {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 09:36, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

==Sbemail Reference==
There is no reference on the page anywhere to the sbemail that mentioned the game, i think it should be here
:That is because none of the sbemails mention this game. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 17:30, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
::I think it was listed on a floppy disk once, but I've never seen those noted in Inside References elsewhere, so... -{{User:YK/sig}} 18:46, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
:::It was on a [[floppy disk container|floppy disk]] in the introductions for [[strongbad_email.exe Disc Three]] and [[strongbad_email.exe Disc Five|Disc Five]], but not in a Strong Bad Email. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 19:09, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

== Decompiled Script Findings ==

I'm going to edit this as I find things in the decompiled script.
*The suspect who has an Egg is always a liar.
*A liar's answers are randomly assigned for each suspect and item and are checked to ensure they aren't accidentally "correct". They're also checked to ensure a liar doesn't answer with their own location, item, or picture, but the item-question photo-answer check has a programming error that causes it to malfunction. The way they are randomly assigned almost guarantees that there will be some sort of inconsistency in a liar's answers (two of the same answers for different questions, or logical breaks like "suspect A has item 1 but item 1 belongs to suspect B").
*People have been suggesting that there are 3 or 4 liars per game, but the code seems to indicate 5 liars are assigned, meaning that there would be 5 or 6 liars per game depending on if it tried to assign "liar" status to the egg holder (who is already a liar). So far, my in-game tests are confirming this.
*One honest suspect is selected at random to answer correctly about an Egg. Three additional suspects are then chosen at random (which could include the one already selected) to give an answer about an Egg, which will be correct or incorrect based on whether that suspect is honest or a liar. This means there will be 3 or 4 suspects who will give an answer about an Egg, and at least one will be correct.
-{{User:ReverendTed/sig}} 19:29, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

==Not a goof==
"A programming error allows a liar to answer with their own picture when questioned about an item that isn't theirs". The liar always responds with a lie. How is it a goof that he lies and claims to own an item he does not? In traditional one-person-always-lies one-person-always-tells-the-truth logic puzzles, this is one way to out the liar, by asking him a question about himself. [[User:Nard|Nard]] 00:14, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

:I agree with you — I wouldn't call that a goof. Actually, I think it's pretty hilarious; one time the butler told me had the egg, so I shot him. He did not have the egg. Anyways, I agree, and I think that the fact should be moved to Remarks. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:17, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
::If it's something TBC could have avoided, Remarks, otherwise, Glitches. {{User:Bluebry/sig}} 00:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
:::Definitely not a glitch - how can we be sure this wasn't intentional to offer the player a strategic tool? It can be a remark, so long as we do not suppose it's a mistake, but just the way things were done. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 02:10, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

== WHY ARE YOU REVERTING THESE EDITS? ==

I keep seeing edits being reverted that are factual, including mine and someone else's, but removed because the game isn't "russian" when there is a lot of RUSSIAN stuff in the game.
* Everything is written in russian.
* The guy at the end is a pixel look alike of Josef Stalin.
* The three spaceships that fly by are all russian made.
* The three spaceships are a reference to Tetris, a russian video game.
* The wiki itself explains that the game has russian references (read the damn article, especially the trivia section!)
The edits were...
* The fact the game is in Russian meaning you can't understand what's going on and have to make guess work.
* The fact that on the "Some Type of Online Auction" page a reference to the film ''Man With the Screaming Brain'' is made, and the specific reference is about a russian.
If you're going to remove our edits of things we found in the game based on Russia then remove ALL topics in the game based on russia. Which would include the whole article!

Explain yourselves!

-[[Skunk|User:Skunk]] (I'm not logged in because this and others were quick edits.)
:The game doesn't require any actual knowledge of Russian to play, however. That's why. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 08:47, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
::Furthermore, even if you did know Russian, you still would be quite clueless. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 09:52, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 13

TreeWithAChainsaw — Sun, 01 Jul 2007 18:49:21 GMT

TreeWithAChainsaw: /* PCP */

==!==
*Oops. Looks like we got two images. Which one should we choose? I uploaded mine one minute before Techgeekmbg. --{{User:Theyellowdart/sig}} 05:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== The bodyguard ==

Looks exactly like Olympic Man from issue 10. [[User:Hagurumon|Hagurumon]] 06:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Yup — that's what I put in the transcript. The blurred words on his shirt read "Olympic Man". {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Hotel balcony dangling reference ==

So, right now the following two real-world references are both in the article:
<blockquote>
* The Olympic Guy dangling The Ugly One from a hotel balcony is a reference to a widely-publicized event in 2002, when [[Wikipedia:Michael Jackson|Michael Jackson]] dangled his son from a hotel balcony;
* Dangling The Ugly One over the balcony is also a reference to [[Wikipedia:Vanilla_Ice|Vanilla Ice's]] claim that rap record producer [[Wikipedia:Suge_Knight|Marion "Suge" Knight]] hung him up upside down on a hotel balcony in order to get Vanilla Ice to turn over his royalties. This relates to the rapper Peacey P shown earlier in the episode.
</blockquote>
They can't both be true. When I first watched the toon, I thought of the Michael Jackson incident, but now that I think about it, the Vanilla Ice one makes sense. First, it fits with the rapper theme (Peacey P), and second, Olympic Man dangles The Ugly One by her ankles (Michael Jackson held his baby by the torso). Any thoughts? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 06:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Hm. I have to agree. I thought of Michael Jackson when I first watched the toon, too, but the Vanilla Ice thing, while I'd never heard of it beforehand, makes more sense in context. It's not quite TTATOT, and warrants mention, but... If I had to choose, I'd say go with the latter of the two. -{{User:YK/sig}} 07:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Although I also immediately thought of Wacko Jacko, the theme here is Hip-Hop, which Jacko is not. The latter makes more sense in context. It won't be long till this'll get STUFFed anyway. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 09:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't know where to post this, cuz I'm editing on Wii and it won't let me start a new row. Peacy P's name must be a reference to Eazy-E of N.W.A, right? [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 09:12, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:No, it's more of a reference to "Doggy Dog" (as in "Snoop Doggy Dog"), which is whom Peacy P is parodying. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 09:48, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

But then again, I'm teekin bot the name, and since Eazy-E is both a rapper and rimes with Peacy P I'd guess that there's a reference here. [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 14:13, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

I went and added the Jacko thing, but you can remove it if you like. (BTW you know he didn't really dangle his son right?) [[User:MJN SEIFER|MJN SEIFER]] 13:51, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

== goo goo is wah wah? ==

"Goo goo is ga-ga. Wah wah is ga-ga. Are all goo goos wah wahs?"

Algebraically, this is: "A = B, C = B, does A = C?"

Being that algebra is a popular thing to test for in the SAT's I thought I'd at least bring it up. Don't know if it's worth mentioning on the page though.--[[User:69.243.221.87|69.243.221.87]] 08:00, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

: That's not ''quite'' what that corresponds to (it's not an algebraic statement; it's a logical grouping statement) but, yeah, that it what they're talking about. Like you, I doubt it merits inclusion on the page. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:06, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

::Yeah, it's more the question of "Lions are Felines. Tigers are Felines. Are all Lions Tigers?" But I think it deserves some mention in the Fun Facts. Since it's an actual IQ question, I'm sure there's a few that wouldn't be able to really solve it (I know I had to think about it for a few seconds to work it out) which deserves being mentioned and solved in the Fun Facts. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 19:15, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Eau de toilette ==

Regarding the reference to the French "Toilet water" is it worth putting that this is only the literal translation, with the actual product being Cologne? Eg, Eau de toilette is French for Cologne, literally "Toilet water"

:Actually, it's not even a literal translation. The literal translation is "bathroom water." "Toilette" means "bathroom." {{unsigned|70.44.119.165|15:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)}}

::Well, "toilet" was used the sense meaning "a lady's dressing table and the various actions such as fixing her hair and putting on perfume and makeup" in English when the word was first borrowed, just as it did in French. In French and in English, the word evolved to mean either the bathroom itself or the commode precisely because it was originally a euphemism, like "powder-room." "Toilet water" is more of a vestigial remnant of that than a mistranslation. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet#Etymology

:: Also consider the word "toiletries" another surviving reference to this term. The use of "toilet" to mean something other than personal grooming and the area for it is 20th century English invention.

{{talk}}

== M.A.S.H.E.D.'.D ==
Says I that m.a.s.h. is not a reference to the TV show, but just to the video game practice of button mashing. This is reflected later with The Ugly One t.a.p.ing the TV remote.
:I agree — I considered this, but (1) M*A*S*H has asterisks, not periods between the letters, and (2) "m.a.s.h." has one after the last letter, whereas M*A*S*H does not. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:03, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::But here's the question: if they didn't put dots between MASH because of M*A*S*H, why else did they put them in? And even if it is a coincidence, couldn't we still mention it? {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Unless someone can come up with a better explantion, i think that this is a good reference. If it gets STUFF'd...well, who cares -{{User:Zerlock1124/sig}}

== Tompkins playing a GameBoy? ==
when Tompkins is shown playing with his virtual pet, it looks a heck of a lot like a GameBoy (original). anyone think this should be put somewhere? or am i just crazy? --[[User:EricTheDerek|EricTheDerek]] 14:10, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

:It's mentioned a few times in the transcript; do you think it should be mentioned elsewhere? {{User:Trey56/sig}} 14:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::I'm pretty sure there have been virtual pet games on the Game Boy, so maybe Tompkins is playing one of those. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 14:47, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:::There was actually a Tamagotchi game for GameBoy; I own it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:53, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::The transcript now says he's playing with a tamagotchi, not a game boy... is that normal? -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 15:48, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Is constant editing normal? Short answer - yes. Long answer - Very yes. - Xifihas (too lazy to log in)

== I have a crush on EACH AND EVERY BOY!! ==

Does anyone else think Cheerleader's saying "I'll call EACH AND EVERY BOY!!" is reminiscent of The Ugly One's saying "I have a crush on EVERY BOY!!"? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 19:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Door from Alice in Wonderland ==

The fact that the door of Tompkins' house is the door from the Alice in Wonderland cartoon - Real world reference? Also, the top row of cereal boxes in the pantries seem to be Count Chocula, Frankenberry, and Boo Berry, though admittedly crude Strong-Bad-ish renderings. → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … Y'all biscuitheads! 19:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Well, I see my addition of the Alice in Wonderland fact has been removed. It's pretty clear that the door on this cartoon is based on the talking door (the door knob being on the face of the talking door, not the face itself as the removal notice claims...) but I'm not going to get into a revert war on my first edit. :B → [[User:Peacey_P|☮y P]] … Y'all biscuitheads! 20:52, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::When the door's open, that looks like some Japanese there to me. Am I seein' things? Also, the sink looked like a zora (the oldstyle zoras) ... also, PCP?
:::That's defenitely not Japanese. It's just random lines, so that the door won't suddenly become detail-less, is what I'm guessing...but it's not Japanese. --[[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 11:46, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

== Real-World Overkill ==

Is the item "Caesars is a casino brand owned by Harrah's Entertainment" a little overkill on the real-world references? I don't think it's really necessary. --[[User:MadShrubbery|MadShrubbery]] 19:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
: I don't mind that. There may be some people who don't know what Caesar's is immediately. they may think of salad... not everyone is as smart as you and i

== Page Title Reference ==

I'm mostly certain that the page title is a reference to comedian Robin Harris' routine "Bebe's Kids" which became a movie in 1992.
:It's already listed in Real World Refs. [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 20:23, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

== Gold Digger ==

In explanations it explains what a gold digger is. When did they ever even say that in the toon? [[User:D&d greg|D&d greg]] 20:36, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
: It doesn't, really, but Momkins ''is'' dressed as a prospector. That's probably what the person who wrote that fact was thinking. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Would it be better to say "The fact that Momkins goes "prospecting" for ex-husbands refers to the concept of a "gold-digger", which is..."? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 21:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:::A "gold-digger" is basically a woman who dates you for your money, takes it, then leaves.

== She gone ==

Probably not worth noting other than here on the talk page, but the way "She gone" was said seems to be very similar to [[Wikipedia:Ken Harrelson|Hawk Harrelson]]'s strikeout call for Chicago White Sox games, "He gone!" Again, probably not noteworthy, but I was just curious if any other Midwesterners on here noticed that as well.[[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 21:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:I don't think it's a reference. There's no real context tying them together, and Strong Bad puts more emphasis on the second word ("She ''gone''"), whereas what's his face puts more stress on the first word ("''He'' gone"). (Man, I hate ''everything'' about the way that guy calls a game.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:32, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== PCP ==

this is the first and only refrence to drugs of any kind right? {{unsigned|68.164.230.188|23:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)}}

:Good question. There are quite a few references to [[alcohol]] and [[smoking]] and one possible, indirect reference to [[Talk:4 branches#Legalization?|marijuana]], but that's all I can think of. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 23:28, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
::Actually, we have a whole article on [[drugs]]. Though most of them are the prescription kind. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:29, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:::There's also a (direct) reference to [[Scroll Button Songs#SB-2003-05-19|crack cocaine.]] So yeah, nothing new. ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:50, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
::::I caught a reference. The school councilor told us about a woman who put her baby in the oven because she was on PCP and thought God told her to. That was why So-and-So said the thing about microwaving the baby. [[User:TreeWithAChainsaw|TreeWithAChainsaw]] 18:49, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

==Each and Every Boy==

Isn't it a reference to TGS1? [[User:Awexome Cross|Awexome Cross]] 23:43, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
:Are you referring to "I have a crush on every boy" vs. "I'll call each and every boy"? If so, I mentioned that seven headings above this one, and no one replied. I also just found in the page history that it was added early Monday morning, and removed by an annony, because it wasn't the same person saying it. However, I think they're similar enough to merit a reference--same subject matter, same number of syllables, same inflection, same emphasis on the "EVERY BOY" -- any other opinions? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 19:33, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
::Yeah, i dont think so. Theres only so many ways to say things, it almost seems like they went out of their way to make it different -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 14:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
:::I disagree. If they were trying to make it different, there are lots of different ways they could have worded it, like not making it end with "every boy", or not putting the same number of syllables with the same inflection. The only things that are different are the person saying it (which in the [[the paper#Inside References|past]] [[looking old#Inside References|hasn't]] [[the chair#Inside References|prevented]] [[alternate universe#Inside References|a]] [[technology#Inside References|reference]]) and the fact that the words are different (which, when the inflection, tone, and context are similar, [[keep cool#Inside References|hasn't]] [[secret identity#Inside References|prevented]] a reference). They are both references to the rampant boy-crazyness of TGS, have the same inflection, and both mention "EVERY BOY". I think this deserves a reference. [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 18:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

== Buttcrack Plumbing ==

Should we add a reference to the stereotype that plumbers show their, uh, hind quarters when they bend over? ¤ {{User:The Mu/sig}} 01:48, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:I think most people should be able to pick up that joke just by the name "Buttcrack Plumbing"... it's a common stereotype. -{{User:YK/sig}} 03:34, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

== P or E? ==

Peacey P's name could refer to either [[Wikipedia:Percee P|Percee P]] or [[Wikipedia:Eazy E|Eazy E]], but his note in the [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 13#Real-World References|Real-world references]] section and his entry in [[Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters#Peacey P|Minor Teen Girl Squad Characters]] didn't match. I've edited them to match, but we shouldn't keep them as "either-or" facts. Which one should we choose? — {{User:SamFisher1022/sig}} 11:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
:First one seems more likely to me. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 12:11, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
::Not sure, Eazy E seemed more popular. Peacey P prefers to be underground, whilst Eazy E has had "critical and commercial success". Then again, it's probably TTATOT. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 12:40, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

:I do not believe that the brothers Chaps has heard of Percee P, but who am I to say? [[User:Marvelrulez|Marvelrulez]] 09:26, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:please for the love of crap let this be TTATOT -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 16:00, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== SAT ==

"Syllogisms are often found on the SAT."

Um... no they're not.

:Exactly, annony. They used to be ("old" SAT), but they got rid of them with the "New" SAT [[User:Coveredinharmony|CoveredinSuudzu]] 15:08, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
::Maybe, but somehow I doubt the Brothers Chaps know about the "new" SAT. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 06:27, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

== Snack mix with a monocle ==

I believe the snack mix wearing a monocle is a reference to Mr. Peanut, the mascot for the Planters company.
[[User:Nsayer|Nsayer]] 14:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:Isn't there a Clue character who wears a monocle? Am I thinking of Professor Plum? [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 18:38, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
::I believe it was Colonel Mustard who wore a monocle. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 18:45, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== Release date ==

The release date for the toon should be Monday June 18th. I have the release time at about 35 minutes after midnight Eastern time (approx. Mon, 18 Jun 2007 04:34:54 GMT). I'm going to change it back to Monday per [[HRWiki:Standards#Summary]], as the "Sunday" on the [[Main Pages]] isn't correct. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 21:22, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

== Deliberance ==

Isn't Peacey P's album title a portmateau of Deliberate and Deliverance
:It certainly is. A link to [[Portmanteaus]] is now in the fun facts. Thanks! — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:17, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
:I think its only a portmanteau by coincidence, unless those 2 words are extremely relevant to something. It just sounded like Peacey P was mumbling everything and Deliverance sounded like Deliberance so thats what they named it -[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 14:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
::But Peacey P never actually says "Deliberance" anywhere in the 'toon... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:00, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

== Blurring ==

"Olympic Man's jersey is blurred because trademarked logos on clothing are often obscured by the producers of television or music videos when they don't want the logos visible in the final product."

I believe it was either a reference to how the media censors swear words and other profantities, or because The Brothers Chaps wanted to test us wiki guys to see if we could figure out who the bodyguard is. [[User:76.5.105.107|76.5.105.107]] 06:19, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
:I've expanded the explanation to cover the spectrum of possibilities (logos, designs, words). (I don't think it was meant as a challenge to us.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 12:20, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

== Yet Another Questionable "The Simpsons" Reference ==

The following fact was removed and STUFFed, but I think it's sketchy enough that we can resolve it here:
<blockquote>
When the policemen arrive, So and So thinks she is in legal trouble, but all the policemen want is to watch the fight on Pay-per-view. This is a take of a similar scene in Homer vs. Lisa and the 8th Commandment when Eddie and Lou arrive to watch the fight on Homer's illegal cable hookup.
</blockquote>
I don't think the similarity is that strong — in Homer's case, he was actually breaking the law, whereas So and So wasn't. Sure, in both cases policemen are coming over to watch a fight on cable, but that's about it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 16:33, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
:They don't look like them at all. I'm gonna remove the reference yet again.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 21:28, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

== (the future) ms. thang ==

Does anyone else think that cheerleader's shirt changing is worthy of mention somewhere other then the transcript? -Lomion

:All of her shirt messages are listed here, as well: [[Cheerleader#Text on Shirts]] {{User:Trey56/sig}} 00:51, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

== Y'all vs. Ya'll ==

They misspell "Y'all" twice when Peacey P is saying it.
:Strong Bad frequently misspells "y'all" (but has been better about it recently). --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 05:18, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

== Virtual Pardack? ==

Anyone else think Tompkins's virtual pet resembles [[Made-Up Strong Bad Animals#El Pardack|El Pardack]]? Or just a coincidence?{{User:Bassbone/sig}} 08:11, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
:I think it a coincidence. Though, both the sketchbook and the one in the toon bear a resemblence to a [http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&q=Masktchi&gbv=2 Masktchi] (the one with the ears). --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 08:14, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

==Rejected?==
The scene with So-and-So going down the garbage disposal reminds me of a scene in Don Hertzfeldt's "Rejected." The waving of the arms in particular. [[User:130.111.63.50|130.111.63.50]] 16:25, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

== Biscuit ==
Could Peacy P calling the viewers "biscuitheads" a reference to Reynold saying "diaper biscuit" in an attempt to "swear a cuss" in [[Commandos in the Classroom]]? 17:51, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

:Hmm... Thinking about it, the word "biscuit" has been used in several odd ways here and there on the site. "Ya'll biscuitheads", "[[Commandos in the Classroom|diaper biscuits]]", "[[Summer Short Shorts|two breads in a biscuit]]", the "Biscuit Gravy" trading cards, and of course, good ol' [[Biscuit Dough Hands Man]]. Perhaps a running gag is emerging here. -{{User:YK/sig}} 07:41, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

== MST3K reference? ==

I know this is sketchy at best, but here goes: When Timkins says "You're not my real father!" at the very end, it's done in exactly the same tone of voice that Tom Servo uses when he says the exact same line in "Mystery Science Theater 3000: The Movie". (I'd include the time in the movie at which this occurs, but the film itself is hard to find and I don't own a copy.) Given that the Brothers Chaps have made a MST reference in the past, might this be another one?
:It's already been considered through the STUFF process and declined. [[STUFF:Teen_Girl_Squad_Issue_13|Here]]. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 22:52, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

== Closed STUFF ==

{{stuffcloseddecline}}

=== You're not my real Fun Fact! ===
{{stufffact| Timkins's line "You're not my real father" is a line from [[Wikipedia:Mystery Science Theater 3000: The Movie|Mystery Science Theater 3000: The Movie]].}}
{{stuffverdict|18:24, 19 June 2007 (UTC)|04:52, 20 June 2007 (UTC)|swiftly and unanimously declined|18|0|Teen Girl Squad Issue 13}}

== Rap reference? ==

Anyone know if "drops next sursdai" is a real world reference? Is ''drop'' rappish for ''release''? I assume ''sursdai'' is just streetsprach for Thursday?

Nighttime Driving Type Game

TreeWithAChainsaw — Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:48:56 GMT

TreeWithAChainsaw: typo

[[Image:nightdriver.png|thumb|It's just a four minute drive away]]

'''Nighttime Driving Type Game''' is a game accessible only by clicking the "O" in [[Strong Bad's Message Bored]].

In this game, you must drive through oncoming traffic... at night! Move your car with the mouse.

==Easter Eggs==
[[Image:Nightime_egg.PNG|thumb|300px|Get out of my basement!]]

*If you beat {{film|Strong Bad}}'s high score of 50,000 points, you'll get a short cutscene where Strong Bad shows you that he's now gotten a new high score, exactly one point higher than yours. You can also access this by right-clicking and pressing "Play" when you lose on the Flash File.
:'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, you beat my high score, huh? Well, I just finished the game. Check it out!
:''{Cut to the game on his television screen. His score is one point higher than yours.}''
:'''STRONG BAD:''' Oh, tough luck, man. I guess it's back to the drawing board for you!
:''{Cut back to Strong Bad.}''
:'''STRONG BAD:''' Or, back to the Night Driving board... or, w— ''{yells}'' Get out of my basement!

==Fun Facts==
===Trivia===
*The scoring is as follows:
*Green Car- 100
*Red Car- 500
*Police Car- 500
*Drunk Driver- 1000
*The movement of the cars are as follows:
*Green Car- Takes up one lane and can go in any.
*Red Car- Always Takes up the middle lane, moves very fast.
*Police Car- Always takes up the middle and the right lane.
*Drunk Driver- Takes up one lane, swerves from the left lane to the right lane most of the time, but on occasion, goes from the right lane to the left.

===Remarks===

*It's not possible to get a score one point higher than another score, like Strong Bad says he did, considering that all point values are multiples of 100.

===Glitches===
[[Image:Nighttime_type_highscore.png|thumb|Two digits are cut off here.]]
*You still earn points for any vehicle that passes your wrecked vehicle.
*You can crash 2–3 times in rapid succession yet only lose one life (in other words, crashing, then immediately crashing again).
*The game sometimes loads data where the green cars always drive on the right side of the road (from your perspective), and the trucks swerve left, then right, meaning if you stay in the left lane, you'll never die.
*Right-click and unselect play for unlimited lives. When you run out of lives, your lives will show as "-" and you can keep playing. Select "play" again to get the "game over" screen.
**While exploiting this glitch, no red cars or police cars appear.
*If you get over 100,000 points, the score will appear to reset to 10,000. This is due to the game only displaying the first five digits in the score; the counter still has the actual score stored.
**When you access the high-score Easter egg, if your score is over 100,000, Strong Bad's score will appear to be the same as yours due to this glitch.
*If you crash into another car, and a drunk driver is there, the drunk driver will crash even though you didn't hit it.

===Inside References===

*The source of the Easter egg is the [[Strong Bad's Room Main Page]], where he brags that he's got the high score of 50,000 points, and challenges you to beat it.
*The "Drunk Drivers" are examples of [[Alcohol|alcohol]].

===Real-World References===

*The game itself is based on the [[Atari 2600]] game "Night Driver", which in turn was based on the 1976 arcade game of the same name.
*Strong Bad beating the player's high score by one point when the player scores more than 50,000 point is a reference to the Marathon Man in The Legend of Zelda: The Ocarina of Time. The Marathon Man will challenge Link to a race from the Gerudo Valley to the Kokiri Forest and when Link finishes, the Marathon Man always beats him by one second.

==See Also==

*[[Strong Bad's Message Bored]]
*[[Armless Invaders]]
*[[The Cheat's Smoking Challenge]]

==External Links==

*[[HR:boredgames.html|Go to the Message Bored]] and click on the "O" in "Bored"
*[[HR:superbored.swf|View the Flash file for the Message Bored]]

[[Category:Games]]

Talk:Nighttime Driving Type Game

TreeWithAChainsaw — Fri, 27 Apr 2007 19:48:10 GMT

TreeWithAChainsaw:

There's a typo. Am I allowed to change it? In the second real world reference, it says "socres." [[User:TreeWithAChainsaw|TreeWithAChainsaw]] 23:08, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
:Yup, go right ahead. It's a [[Wikipedia:Wiki|wiki]]. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 23:08, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
::It's just that one time, I made a new page on wikipedia and it got deleted. [[User:TreeWithAChainsaw|TreeWithAChainsaw]] 19:48, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Nighttime Driving Type Game

TreeWithAChainsaw — Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:08:04 GMT

TreeWithAChainsaw: A typo - Can I edit?

There's a typo. Am I allowed to change it? In the second real world reference, it says "socres." [[User:TreeWithAChainsaw|TreeWithAChainsaw]] 23:08, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

User:TreeWithAChainsaw

TreeWithAChainsaw — Mon, 23 Apr 2007 23:07:13 GMT

TreeWithAChainsaw: New page: It's-a-my user page. Check me out on the [http://www.fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/User:TreeWithAChainsaw Fanstuff Wiki]

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