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I'm not happy with the "Homsar Quotes" section. It's not uniform, it's not objective and it's not needed. Who's with me? --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]

Not me- I think all main characters should have it, especially Homsar! -- [[User:Asploder|Asploder]]

There. Deleted Homsar Quotes, got rid of all the quotes on his page. He already has his own little section in Quotes. He isn't ''that'' special. He needs only one page of quotes, just like everyone else. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]-[[User_Talk:FireBird|Talk]]

Do we realy need the MSN Orbit page of the guy who emailed Strong Bad? It doesn't even mantion Homsar!

Have to tell ya, this article is in need of serious rewrite. [[User:213.169.4.137|213.169.4.137]] 07:25, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

== Re-Write Is Definitely Re-Right ==

This does need re-writing, it says that "Hi, Wonder Mike!" is "One of the few references to pop culture on H*R", when the whole freaking site references pop culture! Please delete that line, someone, it is really bugging me.
This is a wiki, why don't you remove it? [[User:nintendorulez|nintendorulez]] 14:04, 11 Mar 2005 (MST)

== A Song From The Sixties? ==

Can anyone come up with song references from Homsar's speeches? 'Gravy train' could be a reference to Pink Floyd's 'Have a Cigar' but maybe it's just some of his home-spun wisdom. Also, not a direct quote, but 'a million ladies tall' feels sort of like 'half a century high' ala Phil Ochs. Just some random stabs here, it seemed a lot more cohesive in my mind.
:"Gravy Train" is a common phrase meaning getting a lot of money (or something along those lines. Also, Have a Cigar was written in 1975, so it's clearly not a song from the sixties.

== Move? ==

I think this article should be renamed Homsar (Character). The email article should be moved to Homsar (email).
--[[User:ZekeMacNeil|ZekeMacNeil]] 23:43, 15 Jan 2005 (MST)

:We actually used to have the articles titled that way. Then we changed it to the current setup. The titles you mentioned redirect accordingly.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 02:25, 16 Jan 2005 (MST)

== A Hypothesis About Homsar's Behavior ==

I have a hypothesis concerning why Homsar behaves the way he does.

I believe that Homsar was drafted and sent to Vietnam in the late sixties ("I'm a song from the sixties." could be a reference to this because many songs in the sixties were about the war in Vietnam) and there he witnessed some horrible things that resulted in a dreadful case of post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD). To escape his flashbacks after retuning home he began taking copious amounts of LSD and rapidly became psychologically dependant on it. After a decade or so of this heavy use, Homsar cleaned himself up; but the side effects from the long-term LSD use compounded by his PTSD cause him to be detached from reality much to this day in the form of incorrect visual identification of objects, mental incongruity, and flashbacks to Vietnam (explaining Homsar's frequent screaming episodes).

Some might argue with me about my analysis, saying that Homsar is simply retarded. I admit to you that this might be tempting to say, but if he were truly retarded many of the pop culture references Homsar makes would be near impossible because most forms of retardation limit the individual's vocabulary for such things; and furthermore, retardation does not often result in rampant grammatical structure disjunction and word misapplication, as seen in Homsar's case, especially when compared to the symptoms seen in long-term LSD ex-users.

Submitted By: Eli Mann

:I know you thought of some big words and obviously spent some time on this, but really- it's just a cartoon. Not everything needs an explanation. →[[User:FireBird|''<tt>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</tt>'']]

::Exactly. Interesting hypothesis, but it's a freakin' cartoon!

Course homsar could be based on a figure in the Brother's Chap's life that had those same syndroms.
Wedge Antilles

Interesting but unlikely. Homsar is just the standard gibberish-spouting idiot that all cartoons have. [[User:The_Pardack|The_Pardack]]

Wow. You really must have thought this out. If people look at this page, they can marvel at it. -Alice

I'm a be an agree: This is pretty unlikely. You sure did spend some good thinking time on it, though. What, did you get bored during math class? :) --[[User:65.31.46.157|65.31.46.157]] 23:15, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Wow, you've got too much time on your hands man, it's a cartoon for pete's sake. Besides, this isn't all too likely. He's probably just really weird, I know a dude who acts pretty similar to him in real life. -Ryan

Come on, guys. It's obvious. He's actually a genius that's just trying to hide his true identity by making himself look like a complete moron. It's that simple. -Neverending Soda

My theory is that the head trauma he suffered from the weight dropping on his head gave him some sort of weird amnesiac condition. Check out my full theory [[Wikipedia:Talk:Homsar|here]]! I command you! --[[User:VolatileChemical|VolatileChemical]] 09:14, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)

You're all wrong, Homsar has schizophrenia! --[[User:Cocoa|Cocoa]]

Look, cut the guy some slack. This is a discussion page on an obscure article in the Homestar Runner Wiki - clearly, everyone here has too much time on their hands. Kudos on coming up with a plausible theory, Eli. --[[User:mayosolo|mayosolo]] 04:08, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:I'll second this sentiment. Nobody who chats about or looks up Homsar in a fansite wiki, for goodness sakes, has a right to talk! Besides, Homsar is an enigma, floating between the intelligible and the random, like a dream. I say he is a being of great power for this. Regardless, he begs this sort of exploration! -Shufei

You got it all wrong. Homsar is a jar of mayonase from the sixties that got left out next to the TV (hense the constant references to old shows) and witnessed the goings on of the kitchen (thus being raised by a cup of coffee). The mayo spoiled and some odd bacteria gegan to grow on it, eventualy evolving into a half-sentient being that can walk and talk, albeit strangely. Given a few centuries, he may hope to attain Homestar's level of inteligence. --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 13:54, 21 Jul 2005 (PDT)

I agree about the Heavy Lourde being Homsar's problem, but I believe it's just brain and/or spinal cord damage, considering it fell on his head.
-Mortacai

I Think The [[Heavy Lourde|Lourde]] Caused It, Too. It Fell Right On Top Of Him And Gave Hm A Serious Body Blow. He Still [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 5.0|Couldn't Feel His Legs]] After Four Months! I'm Surprised It Didn't [[stunt double|Screw Up]] Strong Sad. -{{User:Homsar7/sig}}

Maybe Homsar's just not too intelligent.My friend says this quote by Homsar-"Iiiii was raised by a cup of coffee."--[[User:Gir007|Gir007]] 02:19, 13 February 2006 (UTC)Zaak

If something actually caused Homsar to become nonsensical, it would probably have been the [[Heavy Lourde]]. I kind of doubt [[TBC]] would have such a complicated reason for it; he either suffered brain damage from the Lourde, or he's just your standard insane cartoon character. [[User:74.119.26.14|74.119.26.14]] 20:06, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

== homsar.com ==

I don't think this should be listed as "may or may not be by the Brothers Chaps". I checked it out on archive.org, and until February of last year it was a blog site entitled "Home Of My Stories And Rants". I wouldn't be surprised if they shut down after they got a lot of misdirected attention from their name, which would explain why the site now just says "go away"

:I've removed this from the article. A [http://www.whois.sc/homsar.com quick WHOIS] confirms it clearly isn't The Brothers Chaps.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:16, 6 Feb 2005 (MST)

* We're not shut down, we just took a different direction. -John from homsar.com

So, what about Stong Bad? He deserves to be a character... :x

== Sensical Stuffs ==

I think this page should have a list of all the stuff Homsar's said that makes sense, like "Uh, yeah, what eeys eet, Strong Bay-ad?" and "I do as ah'm told." for example. What do you guys think? [[User:Poopsmith Z|Poopsmith Z]]
* No, I don't. It's arguable if what much of Homsar says makes sense (For instance, I think "I do as I'm told" is just Homsarish gibberish despite the fact that it makes some sense in context), and this isn't a page for Homsar quotes—aside from his character transcript (which EVERY character has) this is just a biography page. --[[User:Jay|''Jay'']] [[User talk:Jay|(Talk)]] 17:23, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
*Plus, everything that Homsar says is in completly perfect grammatical form. All of his sentences are complete and, albeit a bit weird, are normal. [[User:Stramstar Hummer|Stramstar Hummer]]

== Closed STUFF ==

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=== Homsar Winner? ===
{{stufffact|The idea of Homsar may not have just originated from bad spelling. There is a noticeable resemblance between Homsar and [[Homeschool Winner]]. Homsar may or may not have evolved from this character.}}
{{stuffverdict|07:15, 8 Jul 2005 (UTC)|00:47, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)|overwhelmingly declined|15|5|Homsar}}

== What happened? ==

Diddn't we used to have a list of everything Homsar has said? It can't be that hard to maintain, as he has only had 24 appearences to date.--[[RatherAnnoying]]

:We ''used'' to, but it was decided that just because he doesn't speak normally doesn't mean he deserves a separate section on his character page. See the conversation at the top of this page. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 20:02, 21 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== Talk moved from deleted article: "Homsar's Bowler Hat" ==
Does this have any real significance?
-tapd260

sorta i think --[[User:djm1791|djm1791]] 02:14, 16 Jul 2005 (UTC)

This is becoming a new '''Coach Z's Z''' {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}}

Agreed. '''Delort'''. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 16:37, 16 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Nowaynowaynowaynowaynowaynoway this is awesome.--{{User:Darklinkskywalker/DLSsignature}} 18:16, 16 Jul 2005 (UTC)

If it was baleeted I would just go and make another one along with a new Coach Z's Z. Haw Haw.

:Uh, that would not be proper. Is everything okay Darklinkskywaker?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 18:24, 16 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Why delteat this? Just merge it with Homsar's article. -[[Giranan]]

If anything, this page should be deleted because it states something that is speculation as fact - how do we know Homsar's hat has a mind of it's own? - Grover Junior

I'm with Giranan. This hardly needs it's own article. '''Merge'''. ---[[User:mihoshi|mihoshi]] 13:38, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)

This is an important part to one of the funniest characters on the website. Keep. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}}

I think it's cute. Let's keep it. Besides, it wouldn't do any good to delete it as Giranan said. --[[User:SaikoRoxi|SaikoRoxi]] 10:15 PM, July 22, 2005

I'd go with a merge, except I disagree that it "has a mind of its own," because it always seems to follow a particular logic to its flight paths (or orbit) from and back to Homsar's head. I think it usually "takes flight" when Homsar is trying to emphasize something, which is pretty much every time he says anything. Anyway, the hat is an integral part of the character, but probably doesn't need its own page. [[User:Thesmokingmonkey|The Smoking Monkey]] 17:43, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Oh, come on! Homsar's hat deserves 12 pages! Homsar himself deserves his own wiki!

I sincerely think that this page must not be deleted! This is Homsar's Hat! I mean, the fact that the hat goes flying everywhere is so cool! If an item on Homestar runner has been shown once, and then never even mentioned again, there is no need to even post it! However, Homsar's Hat has been shown with Homsar every single time he is seen on the site! Taking a page about Homsar's hat off this site is like taking Homsar's hat away from him on the official site!

Signed,

DarkMario

No. We've removed pages for individual clothing items before, if only BECAUSE they appear pretty much every time the character in question appears, meaning every single word can be moved over to the (more relevant) character article. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:10, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)

:True that and a half. '''Merge.''' — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:12, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)

There is no reason this needs it's own article. If not deleted, it shold be merged. Does Homestar's eyes have it's on article? NO! It's merged. ''MERGE''--[[User:bkmlb|bkmlb]]

== Examples in Biography? ==

Okay, this is coming up fairly consistently in the Biography, so I wanted to pose a question to the people who run the show around here: Do we need specific examples of oddness in interacting with Homsar in his biography? For example, is it appropriate to point out that Homsar called Strong Sad "That Rhinoceros", and quoting Strong Bad's comment about Homsar in [[interview]]?

:I think the [[Nicknames|nickname]] could be found on the page that follows its name. As for the latter, I don't think we need mention that. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 00:04, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

::On questions of content, ''you'' are one of the people who run the show around here. You know that, right? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:06, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

:::Yeah, I understand how a wiki works. :) I was referring to those of you with more experience enforcing Wiki standards. Remember, I'm still new here, and this was a grey area. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 00:08, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

::::Well, to answer your specific question, I don't see what harm that info is doing, and it adds a little color. You should probably wait till you get a few replies before considering a question answered. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:09, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::Huh... so much for consistency. I remember making several edits similar to that in different articles, and most of them were reverted immediately. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 00:12, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::I guess more importantly, I've seen a lot of similar edits get reverted for one reason or another. My reason for changing the line about "That Rhinoceros" was to clarify that Homsar SOMETIMES does refer to other characters by their real names, and I felt the best way to write that was to say "He refers to other characters by random nicknames from time to time". Also, the "conversations" example seemed redundant and unnecessary to me, and like I said, I've seen things like that get zapped pretty consistently in the past. That's why I brought this up. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 00:16, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::I'm not sure the version of the page I reverted to is the best one. All I'm saying is that, as long as you've asked for input, you should give people a chance to respond. It might turn out that more people want that stuff gone than want it kept. Consistency is a tricky thing around here, because it all depends on what you ask and, probably more importantly, when you ask and ''whom'' you ask. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]

:::::::By the way, other than when he was introduced, when has Homsar called someone by their given name? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:18, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::::In [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 5.0]], when he thanks Marzipan for the flowers. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 00:21, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::Wow. I just listened to that, and Homsar was so... ''normal'' sounding. Weird. But you gotta consider the context: that answering machine was released when the Strong Bad Emails were still in single digits, and was only Homsar's second appearance—before his personality was developed at all. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:04, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

::::::::::Wow. All this discussion because I put examples in Homsar's Biography? Trippy. I just thought it would be nice to have some specific times he is being strange rather than just stating it. Just saying someone is wierd isn't nearly as effective as citing examples, but that's just my opinion. In response to It's Dot Com, yeah, Homsar does sound way too normal in that answering machine. He's almost...intelligable. Freaky. Anyway, just stating my reasons. thanks! {{User:Houdin654jeff/sig}} 01:24, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

:::::::::::Heya Jeff. Just wanted to make sure you didn't feel like I was trying to pick on you there - I wasn't. I guess we just disagree on the specific-examples idea, so I was posing the question to a larger audience. - [[User:KieferSkunk|KieferSkunk]] 19:19, 11 November 2005 (UTC)

== Up-side Down ==
I just realized. Homsar's stood upside-down twice in the Field before! His character video, and A Folky Tale! A coupla more times and we's gots a running gag! [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]]
:He also stood on the top of the screen in [[Halloween Fairstival]], but it's more an element of his character than a running gag. - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}

==separate pages==
I dont know where to put this, so I'll just put this here.
<center>WE NEED A SEPERATE PAGE FOR CHARACTER VIDEOS</center>
It looks messy how it is right now, not just on Homsars page, but on all the other characters' pages. The fun facts seem a bit out of place on the characters pages, but they'd fit just fine on a character videos page. Anyone with me? {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 21:37, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
:I don't think we need separate pages. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:50, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

== Nonsense Incarnate ==

Just opening this thread to discuss the phrase "Nonsense incarnate" (Homsar is nonsense incarnate). My understanding is that "Person is X incarnate" is grammatically correct, and that it means the concept X is embodied in Person. The most common real-life use of this phrasing I'm aware of is "Person is the Devil incarnate" - usually to refer to an unruly child, a particularly heinous criminal, etc. I have, however, NEVER heard the phrase "Person is the Devil incarnated" (past-tense). Anyone wanna discuss this? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 05:23, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
:That's how I understand and use it. I've never heard past tense either. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::The reason I brought it up is because I reverted [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Homsar&diff=prev&oldid=226437 this edit], but I don't know for sure that the phrase "nonsense incarnated" is INcorrect. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 05:31, 31 December 2005 (UTC)
:::Yeah, I saw that edit and figured that to be the reason. I dunno if that one's incorrect, but I do know that the first one IS correct. Go with what you know. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::Meh, I learn something new every day. (: --[[User:Jonnny|Jonnny]] 19:31, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

== Accent? ==

Does anyone think Homsar's thick southern accent should be mentioned?--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 00:35, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

:To me, it doesn't really sound much like a southern accent {even though I live in the south). I think Homsar just has an accent all his own. {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 00:55, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Well, I live in the South as well, and I don't have that accent, but some people around me do. Anyway, southern or not, do you think it is worth mentioning? --[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 20:48, 3 January 2006 (UTC)
::Nope; it's not so much an accent as a "voice," in the way that all H*R characters have distinctive voices. I seriously doubt that any particular geographical location could be linked to Homsar's speech patterns (or, if so, I wanna go there ''right now''!) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:55, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

== Hidden message ==

Why is there a hidden message in the caption for Homsar that says "DO NOT CHANGE THIS. The revert wars are getting tedious"? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:42, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
:Oh, a few months ago we had a few people who went around constantly changing the captions on the pages, so we had to keep changing it back. Hence, revert war. We could probably take it down now, but whatever. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::What kinda things were they changing it too? {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:51, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
:::Well, with Homsar, you know how it is. Everyone has their favourite Homsar quote. They kept changing it between 'Captain of the Gravy Train' to something else and back again. Eventually, they settled on a non-quote caption and added the little message. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::::Oh, OK. That's what I thought it was, but I just wanted to make sure. Thanks! {{User:Has Matt?/sig}} 23:58, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
:::::It was changed. I had to put it back in. I don't want to see the revert wars. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 01:41, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

== Homsar the SB E-Mail ==

One of my Friends, Vincent, sent that one in. Apparently when he was 10 he wanted to be called "Vinnie". now he's just plain old Vincent.Dont believe me?Ask Wagonafullapancakes.That's his Name.--[[User:Gir007|Gir007]] 23:14, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Excuse me. I'm sorry. It's Wagon-Fulla-Pamcackes.--[[User:Gir007|Gir007]] 20:44, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

==mike==
couldnt wonder mike be a reference to mike chapman????? {{User:Csours/sig}} 04:03, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Um..maybe!Not likely but still!--[[User:Gir007|Gir007]] 23:09, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Thats what i thought to, like mike was controlling the camera or something, he did when homestar was intoducing you to the website.
:Nuh uh, that was [[Cherry Greg]]. --{{User:The4sword/sig}} 14:49, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

== Caption ==

Anyone else notice the caption used on the pic on this page is one of the things Homsar never actually said? He may not have been raised by a cup of coffee. But he is the captain of the gravy train. Well, that's why I'm editing the caption. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:51, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
:Well, someone changed it after you edited it. I set it to be the same as the slogan on his T-shirt (the cup of coffee). I have a bigger question, though: Why does his caption have to be static? He has a lot of good ones. What difference would it really make if we changed it once a week? Some pages get edited a lot more often than that. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:35, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

::Edit wars. Before the comment, several times a day the caption was changed. We don't want it again. And who shall get to decide what to change it to every week? If we are to avoid edit wars, then we'll have to form a commity, vote on it... Just leave it static. OK? {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 15:48, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

:::Ooh! I have an out-of-the-box solution. Gimme a few minutes to work it up. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:52, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
::::I think I has the solution! So...what are you going to do? ???— {{User: Seriously/sig}} 16:53, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
Okay, on an experimental basis, I have enabled a random quote feature, based on [[MediaWiki:HomsarQuotes]] (unfortunately, only sysops can edit MediaWiki pages, but we should be fine for a while). Also, if you don't like the current quote, you can press the handy "cycle quote" button at the top of this talk page. Everybody go press that button ''right now!'' Got that out of your system? Good. Now if the anonnies will just cooperate... — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:03, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
:Can't the cycle button be under the pic or something? That way visitors will be able to do it without knowing how to work a Wiki. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:12, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

== Speculation? ==

A new section called "Analysis of Homsar's Character" was recently added to this page. While I'm duly impressed that someone took the trouble to write this analysis, the section seems to me to be speculatory and non-encyclopedic. I didn't feel right just removing it without getting others' opinions, though. What do you all think? {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 04:27, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

:I'm not sure either way. Yes, it is speculative, but we've allowed speculation in smaller doses elsewhere, like sbemail fun facts. And the preponderance of the preceding text paints him out to be a "little weirdo" so the few inches taken up proposing he might actually be a savant genius isn't so intrusive.

:Again, I'm not sure, but I don't think it's so bad it should be deleted. STUFF'ed, maybe. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:31, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
::Just one little note: STUFFing is only for Fun Facts. Discussions about other contents of pages usually takes place on talk pages, like is happening now. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 04:36, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
:::Ya, what you said. I meant, if STUFF was used for this sort of thing. I guess we simply need more input. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:51, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
I liked it, but now I see it is just another one of the theories about Homsar. I say delete if you say delete. {{User:Salty/sig}} 04:57, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
:I got rid of it. It was uncohesive, largely speculative, and didn't really make a whole lot of sense. Plus the small bits of the section that ''were'' legitimate and plausible were already covered at different places on the page. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 06:13, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

== Psychokinesis ==

"Support for this theory is not only the fact that Homsar's hat floats whenever he speaks, but that it can float even when he isn't. "
This sentence seems very odd to me. I fully support all of the armless characters' psychokinesis (as opposed to invisible arms) but I don't see this sentence supporting it. What does it matter that his hat floats both when he is and isn't talking? [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]]

== Word Salads ==

Since I couldn't find the place where we discussed this previously, I'll bring it up again here. I have an issue with the Speech section stating that Homsar speaks in "word salads". The description of word salad in that section is totally correct, but I don't think it applies to Homsar's general speech. The only time I've seen word salads connected with Homsar has been in [[interview]], where Strong Bad was basically mocking Homsar with a pen puppet. "DaAa, Rightio. I think I can twice" is probably the best word salad on the site, and that was Strong Bad making that up, not Homsar actually saying it.

Generally speaking, Homsar's statements are less gibberish and more out-of-context. Aside from his first two appearances ([[homsar]] and [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 5.0]]), virtually everything he's said has made some sort of sense, but it's rare that two sentences relate to each other, or that a statement to another character matches the context of what the other character said. This isn't quite "word salad", however.

Not sure what my ultimate point with this Talk topic is, but I figured I'd bring it up anyway. :) T'would be the pride of the peaches, I'm sure. :) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 23:54, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

:The first mention I can find of it in the article is in [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Homsar&diff=76749&oldid=75741 this edit] from 2 May 2005. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 00:04, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

::Right. My point, though, is that Homsar does make SOME sense in some cases, whereas he doesn't in others. An example: "Hi Strong Bayad! Is that rhinoceros around?" in [[interview]] - Homsar was looking for Strong Sad, so his question makes sense. His next statement, "I'm a song from the sixties", makes no sense at all in that context, and that could qualify as a word salad. As another example, though, "You gotta get yours, I gotta get mine!" in [[army]], could be a perfectly reasonable response to Homestar's call to action.

::So, to say that he speaks frequently or entirely in word salads would be incorrect, IMO - in fact, I think he tends to just have a funny way of saying things most of the time, and he uses word salads only every now and then. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 18:14, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

:::Note that Wikipedia mentions Homsar on both the [[Wikipedia:Word salad (mental health)|article]] and [[Wikipedia:Talk:Word salad (mental health)|talk page]] about word salads. I bring this up not to suggest that we necessarily follow their article, just that we take into account what they have to say and, if anything big is decided from this discussion, that the appropriate comments and/or changes be made there too. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:48, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

::::[[Analysis of Homsar's Speech Patterns|I've done a detailed analysis]] on Homsar's speech patterns, and I think I've conclusively proven that Homsar does not suffer (much) from word salad. In fact, he's actually quite coherent most of the time. It seems that if he needs to, he can and does relate well to his environment, but when he doesn't need to, he's prone to saying random things - if for no other reason than just to have something to say.

::::What's everyone's opinion on posting this analysis as an official article, or posting it to this Talk page, so we can link to it from the main Homsar article without it linking to my user space? {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 07:50, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

::::(PS to It's dot com: Because of this analysis, I removed the reference to Homsar from the word salad article on WP. :)) {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 08:01, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

:::::I definitely think the analysis should be linked to for all to see (and build upon). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:19, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

::::::Done and done! {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 15:35, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

== Need examples of wailing affecting environment ==

"...he often begins sentences by wailing "AaAAaaAAaaAAaa!". (In some cases, this wailing can seem to affect the environment around him in strange ways.)" Can we have examples here? Unfortunately I don't know of any myself. -- [[User:Xzqx|Xzqx]] 20:17, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Homsar

Xzqx — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:17:21 GMT

Xzqx:

User:Xzqx

Xzqx — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:12:38 GMT

Xzqx:

Hi, my name is Anne. My favorite charater is [[Homsar]]. I beat [[TROGDOR!|Trogdor]]!

User:Xzqx

Xzqx — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:11:15 GMT

Xzqx:

Hi, my name is Anne. My favorite charater is Homsar. I beat Trogdor!

Talk:TROGDOR!

Xzqx — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 20:09:49 GMT

Xzqx:

== after level 27? ==
The quotes for cut scenes "after level 27" don't look kosher to me. How could he say "Smote that Kerrek" if the arcade game predated the Kerrek Email? 
[[User:MetaStar|MetaStar]] 21:09, 25 Sep 2004 (MST)
:I'm not seeing anything that says the Trogdor game was created before the interview email. Dragon and Interview were only a month apart. Even so, TBC could still have added it in later. "Smote that Kerreck" is plainly there, just fast forward a little. He's also listed in the credits when you beat the game.
[[User:The Brothers E|The Brothers E]]
::The arcade game was first seen between SBEmails 66 and 67. Interview was number 62. The game does not precede Kerrek's e-mail. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]

Wowzers, ok. So, how does one "Fast forward"? is this a right-click-menu flash "forward" command or some other form of strangeness? :) Thanks! 
[[User:MetaStar|MetaStar]] 12:11, 26 Sep 2004 (MST)

Please, anyone know how to fast-foward??? I'm desperate, and everyone's always talking about it. Tell me!!!

== Fast-fowarding, *URGENT* ==

PPLLEEAASSEE!!! Won't somebody tell me how to fast-foward past level 27?!!? The whole game's a joke until you get there; it's IMPOSSIBLE!!! Please, anybody, notice this message board, and tell me how to FF past that one level. Thank you so much...I would be immensely obliged! -Justin Hack 10/09/04

As far as I know, any program that lets you fast forward won't let you actually play the levels. That said, they recently fixed level 27 (around Valentine's Day '05), so it is now beatable.

== Not very urgent ==

I've tried to get past level 27 quites a few times and, while I don't know how urgent it is, I'm really trying to figure out to see the rest of the game too. Is there a code of some sort, or how does this "fastforwarding" thing work? -ShadowP13

==Reply for everyone concerned about anything post-level 27==
Please see [http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=1134 this forum thread] for information regarding the findings in this article.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:34, 12 Nov 2004 (MST)

== OLD (original) version of Trogdor - anybody, anybody? ==

Does anyone have an archived version of the ORIGINAL Trogdor game as it was posted on the website the week the guys were "In Da Basement"? This original version lacked the impossible level 27, but it also lacked all cartoons post-level-20. I'm just curious if a copy's sitting out there somewhere...

[On another note, I'm pretty sure I've visited multiple treasure huts per game, contrary to what I've read on this website.]

:I don't know where you might find the original version, but you might start by looking around some of the various mirror sites (see the [[Links]] page). As for the treasure huts, you can visit more than one per game, but only once the levels start to repeat. --[[User:68.12.101.60|68.12.101.60]] 08:47, 20 Feb 2005 (MST)

== Check this out Chief!! Possible inspiration!! ==

http://www.abandonia.com/games/624/Aargh.htm

Look at this!
This is a game where you play as a badly-drawn giant lizard and terrorize PEASENTS! IN THATCHED HUTS!!!
It's not Trogdor... it's OLDER than Trogdor... but it looks so similar!!! Could it be related - anon

:I don't see why it couldn't have been inspiration. It's related to Rampage, which the Chaps are known to like and have parodied on the site. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:06, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

== ==

Wish I could burninate the knights.--[[User:Jnelson09|Jnelson09]] 23:15, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

== Haven't heard some of the quotes ==

I haven't heard some of the Strong Bad quotes mentioned. I've played A LOT, too. In fact I played to level 100 just to see the animation, and I never heard the following quotes:

: {laughing} "He's on fire! Look at 'em burning!"

: STRONG BAD: "Beat that score, Strong Sad!" STRONG SAD: "I don't even want to play that game."

Could they only have been in the old game? -[[User:xzqx|Anne]]

Games

Xzqx — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 19:58:09 GMT

Xzqx:

[[Image:videogames.png|thumb|right|220px|A sample of Strong Bad games]]
'''Games''' are an integral part of the [[Homestar Runner]] site. [[The Brothers Chaps]] are confirmed [[Nintendo]] supporters and have an affinity for [[Atari 2600]] games. Along with [[Jonathan Howe]] they have a fictional games company called [[Videlectrix]]. The games they release are influenced by all of the less-than-spectacular (though highly addicting) arcade and computer games of the 80's.
The current games menu is the [[Scrolling Shooter Games Menu]].

===[[Scrolling Shooter Games Menu|New Games]]===
<gallery>

Image:awesome 98.PNG|<center>'''[[Awexome Cross]]'''</center>
Image:kidspeedy.PNG|<center>'''[[Kid Speedy]]'''</center>
Image:marshiemixup.PNG|<center>'''[[Marshie's Malloween Mix-Up]]'''</center>
Image:peasantsquest.png|<center>'''[[Peasant's Quest]]'''</center>
Image:poptiregame.PNG|<center>'''[[Population: Tire]]'''</center>
Image:rhinofeeder.PNG|<center>'''[[RhinoFeeder|Strong Bad's Rhino Feeder]]'''</center>
Image:secretcollect.PNG|<center>'''[[Secret Collect]]'''</center>
Image:StinkogameTitle.png|<center>'''[[Stinkoman 20X6]]'''</center>
Image:strongbadzonebox.PNG|<center>'''[[StrongBadZone|Strong Bad Zone]]'''</center>
Image:thy dungeonthumb.png|<center>'''[[Thy Dungeonman]]'''</center>
Image:thy dungeonman 3 deinterlaced.png|<center>'''[[Thy Dungeonman 3]]'''</center>
Image:trogdorgame.png|<center>'''[[TROGDOR!]]'''</center>
</gallery>

===[[Handheld Games Menu|Old Games]]===
<gallery>
Image:astro-lite.PNG|<center>'''[[Astro-Lite 2600]]'''</center>
Image:marzipanaudition.PNG|<center>'''[[Audition With Marzipan]]'''</center>
Image:BT999.gif|<center>'''[[Bronco Trolleys]]'''</center>
Image:dancinbubs.PNG|<center>'''[[Dancin' Bubs]]'''</center>
Image:fortunecookies.PNG|<center>'''[[Fortune Cookies]]'''</center>
Image:Hairstyle runner.png|<center>'''[[Hairstyle Runner]]'''</center>
Image:homestarquiz.PNG|<center>'''[[Homestar Quiz]]'''</center>
Image:homestartalker.PNG|<center>'''[[Homestar Talker]]'''</center>
Image:shelovesme.PNG|<center>'''[[She Loves Me!]]'''</center>
Image:spinandsay.PNG|<center>'''[[Spin 'n Say]]'''</center>
Image:Strong Libs.PNG|<center>'''[[Strong Libs]]'''</center>
</gallery>

===[[Videlectrix|Videlectrix Games]]===
These games are available only on the [[Videlectrix]] site.
<gallery>
Image:50Kracewalk.PNG|<center>'''[[50K Racewalker]]'''</center>
Image:Duck Gaurd One.PNG|<center>'''[[Duck Guardian One]]'''</center>
Image:hallrunner.png|<center>'''[[Hallrunner]]'''</center>
Image:pigsonhead.PNG|<center>'''[[Pigs on Head]]'''</center>
Image:thy dungeon II thumb.png|<center>'''[[Thy Dungeonman II]]'''</center>
</gallery>

===[[Toons|Toon]] Games===
<gallery>
Image:coachztalker.PNG|<center>'''[[Coach Z Talker]]'''</center>
Image:duckpondatari.png|<center>'''[[Duck Pond|Duck Pond Simulator]]'''</center>
Image:eggthrowing.PNG|<center>'''[[Egg Throwing Game|Egg Throwing Game (Halloween)]]'''</center>
Image:dating sim XR.png|<center>'''[[Extra Real Dating Sim XR]]'''</center>
Image:fishinggame.PNG|<center>'''[[Fishing Challenge '91]]'''</center>
Image:hr sid game.PNG|<center>'''[[Homestar's "Sid" Game]]'''</center>
Image:mashspacebartothrow.PNG|<center>'''[[Peg Strong Sad]]'''</center>
Image:TreatSnatcha.png|<center>'''[[Strong Bad's Treat Snatcha]]'''</center>
Image:King Brothers Game.PNG|<center>'''[[Super Kingio Brothers]]'''</center>
Image:trail game.png|'''[[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!#Sample Game|Sample Game]]''' from <center>'''[[HomestarRunner.com PAY PLUS!]]'''</center>
</gallery>

===[[Strong Bad's Message Bored|Message Bored]]===
<gallery>
Image:armlessinvaders.png|<center>'''[[Armless Invaders]]'''</center>
Image:dacheat.png|<center>'''[[The Cheat's Smoking Challenge]]'''</center>
Image:nightdriver.png|<center>'''[[Nighttime Driving Type Game]]'''</center>
</gallery>
===Misc. Games===
<gallery>
Image:kickthecheat.PNG|<center>'''[[Kick The Cheat]]'''</center>
Image:kinggame win.png|<center>'''[[Revenge of the King]]'''</center>
</gallery>
===Forthcoming Games===
<gallery>
Image:hsr rpg atari2600 tv.jpg|<center>'''[[Homestar Runner RPG]]'''</center>
</gallery>
===Non-Playable Games===
<gallery>
Image:duckguardian2box.PNG|<center>'''[[Duck Guardian 2]]'''</center>
Image:kingdingo.PNG|<center>'''[[King Dingo]]'''</center>
Image:planet alert screen.PNG|<center>'''[[Planet Alert!]]'''</center>
Image:QWERTY.PNG|<center>'''[[QWERTY]]'''</center>
Image:rabbitalgebra.png|<center>'''[[Rabbit Algebra]]'''</center>
Image:saladdaze.PNG|<center>'''[[Salad Daze]]'''</center>
Image:shploitz.PNG|<center>'''[[Shploitz!]]'''</center>
Image:spaceshipper.PNG|<center>'''[[Spaceshipper]]'''</center>
Image:sundaedriving.PNG|<center>'''[[Sundae Drivin']]'''</center>
Image:wheresanegg.PNG|<center>'''[[Where's an Egg?]]'''</center>
Image:TTOM One.PNG|<center>'''[[Three-to-one Marny]]'''</center>
</gallery>
[[Category: Lists]] [[Category: Games]]

TROGDOR!

Xzqx — Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:33:38 GMT

Xzqx: /* Trivia */

{{gamenav|New Game|trogdor|Thy Dungeonman 3|Awexome Cross}}

{{aboutgame}} {{forcharacter|Trogdor}} {{forsong|Trogdor (song)}} {{for|[[:Category:Karaoke Videos|karaoke video]]|Trogdor (karaoke)}}

[[Image:trogdorgame.png|thumb|8-bit majesty!!]]

''"The beefy armed dragon has had it up to here with those pesky peasants. Achieve burnination and watch the countryside go up in flames."'' —[[Videlectrix]]

'''TROGDOR!''' is a game based on the character of {{Film|Trogdor}} from the [[Strong Bad Email]] [[dragon]]. You play as Trogdor, squishing peasants and burninating cottages, all while avoiding knights and archers.

'''Page Title:''' TROGDOR!!!

== Instructions ==
<blockquote>
Use the arrow keys to control Trogdor. 
Stomp 10 peasants to achieve burnination. 
Burn all cottages to advance a level. 
Avoid knights and archers! 
Press SPACE to pause. 
click anywhere to START 
Programmed by Jonathan Howe 
Designed by Mike and Matt</blockquote>

== Interludes ==
*There are a number of funny interludes after the following levels, similar to the ones between some levels of Pac Man and other arcade games:
**Level 4 — "stompin' good"
::''{A lone peasant is on the left side of the screen. Trogdor approaches from the right with two knights in hot pursuit. Trogdor stomps the peasant and then turns to burninate the knights as they retreat.}''
:*Level 8 — "fry 'em up Dan"
::''{Trogdor is in the middle of the screen. Four peasants approach one by one from the left, are burninated and exit at the bottom of the screen.}''
:*Level 12 — "parade of trogdors"
::''{Nine Trogdors parade from right to left across the screen.}''
:*Level 16 — "dancin' time"
::''{Trogdor breaks it down surrounded by ten burninated peasants and two knights}''
:*Level 20 — "flex it, troggie"
::''{Trogdor flexes his beefy arm.}''
:*Level 24 — "peasant dominoes"
::''{Seven peasants are in a line. Trogdor burninates the peasant on the right. The peasant to the left of the burninated peasant catches fire as the first peasant falls over. This effect dominoes down the line of peasants until they all fall over. Trogdor hops up and down with glee.}''
:*Level 30 — "trogdor incognito"
::''{Two peasants approach each other from opposite sides of the screen and stop in the middle. The peasant on the left burninates the peasant on the right. The peasant on the right runs off. The peasant on the left hops up and down.}''
:*Level 34 — "go trogdor # 2!"
::''{Seven peasants are hopping up and down as two Trogdors race across the screen from left to right. Trogdor number two wins the race.}''
:*Level 38 — "forbidden peasant love"
::''{Two peasants enter the screen from the right with a heart between them. As they reach the middle of the screen, a blue knight runs on screen and takes the peasant on the left away. The heart disappears as the peasant that was on the right is left alone.}''
:*Level 42 — "2 cottages"
::''{Two cottages appear.}''
:*Level 46 — "a funny joke"
::''{A knight is minding his own business on the left side of the screen. Out of nowhere, an archer appears on the right side of the screen and begins to shoot five arrows off of the knight's helmet. The archer leaves and the knight turns to face the spot where he was to find no one is there.}''
:*Level 50 — "smote that kerrek!"
::''{Trogdor is on screen with The Kerrek. The Kerrek bounces up and down a few times before Trogdor burninates him.}''
::'''Strong Bad:''' Mmmm! Roast Kerrek!
:*Level 100 — ''{A tiny arcade game Strong Bad enters the screen from the right.}''
::'''STRONG BAD:''' What the? What am I doing in this game?

::''{Arcade Strong Bad moves his arms up and down as the text "congratulations. you got good score" appears}

::'''GAME:''' Congratulations. You got good score.

::'''STRONG BAD:''' It sounds so... realistic.

::''{roll credits}''

::'''cast:'''

::''{Trogdor appears}''

::'''trogdor'''

::''{A peasant appears}''

::'''perez'''

::''{A slightly different peasant appears}''

::'''hackworth'''

::''{An on-fire peasant appears}''

::''' 'the steve' '''

::''{A blue knight appears}''

::'''the blue knight'''

::''{A more different blue knight appears}''

::'''the red knight'''

::''{Two archers appear, joined at their torso}''

::'''the siamese archers'''

::''{The Kerrek appears, and is burninated. His ashes form a roast The Kerrek, complete with apple in mouth.}''

::'''and Wordly Wise as The Kerrek'''

::''{Trogdor and Arcade Strong Bad appear at an angle}''

::'''keep playing!'''

::''{The game advances to the high score screen}''

== Easter Eggs ==
[[Image:Togdor_secret.png|thumb|If you score more than 2,000 points and die, [[Jonathan Howe]]'s name is shown]]
*Click and hold the "G" in the TROGDOR title to see some game hints.
**Don't let the peasants return to their cottages.
**Once you're burninating, you're invincible.
**Burninated peasants set their cottages on fire.
**Get an extra man every 300 points.
**What's a treasure hut?!?!
**Secret Code?!?!
*On the hints screen, you can use the [[Wikipedia:Konami Code|Konami Code]] (up up down down left right left right B A, and then click the word "START"). This will start you off with 30 lives.
*During the game you can hit the "k" key to kick the game. This doesn't seem to give you any advantage, but it does cause the machine to repeat the word "TROGDOR!" (A reference to [[Arcade Game]].)
*Treasure Huts! You can enter certain huts and pick-up gold! To get to them you must burninate certain huts that block them. You may only enter one Treasure Hut per game.
**Some of these huts are:
**On level 7, the leftmost hut. Burninate the 4 huts in the way.
**On level 11, the lower right hut. Burninate the huts around it.
**On level 16, the upper left hut. Burninate the three huts in the way.
**On level 43, the rightmost hut. Burninate the hut above it.

== Tips ==
* If a peasant makes it back into their cottage, you lose a point on the meter of peasants you squished (unless the meter is already empty). This can be frustrating when some cottages are inaccessible. Make sure you don't miss opportunities to squish peasants on these levels.
* Knights move in a pattern consisting of two moves (repeated over and over), completely ignoring Trogdor and the peasants. Their pattern gets "mirrored" when they hit a wall. Learning their patterns is one of the keys to doing well in the game.
* When you burninate peasants, they will run back to their cottage, which will burninate the cottage without need for direct burnination.
* Peasants will still come out of Burninated cottages, though Trogdor can walk right through them. Knights and arrows can go through any cottage.
* Archers appear in much greater frequency when you progress, but knights tend to be the main obstacle. Be sure to pay attention to the edges of the screen for archers. Arrows go about the same speed as Trogdor.

== Fun Facts ==
===Trivia===
*Using a [http://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/flash.html seek bar] suggests that this game was originally intended to have a high-score board. It actually does [http://www.homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/trogdor.html here]; unfortunately, this version has the old impossible level 27 (see below) and some bugs.
*Flex it Troggie, Forbidden Peasant Love, and Smote That Kerrek are the only three animations that use art that isn't used during gameplay.

===Remarks===
*In [[Peasant's Quest]] it says that Trogdor is invincible, but he can die in this game.
*When an archer kills Trogdor, it shows Trogdor with several arrows stuck in him, even though the archer shot only one.
*When Trogdor gets sworded, the knight is still holding his sword and there is one sticking out of Trogdor.

===Goofs===
*Lev. 27 was well nigh impossible. The peasant-paths were accessible only for 2 of the 6 cottages, so for every peasant you squished there were 2 left to wander back into their cottages (diminishing your burninator meter). Meanwhile, the cottages themselves walled you in to a very small area, which made you a sitting duck for archers and knights. This level was "fixed" as of February 12, 2005, making it much simpler to beat. The change is documented in the [[FAQ]].

===Glitches===
*Pausing causes a purple ball to become visible on the screen.
*If you pause the game (using the space bar) when the archer is out pulling his bow, he will get stuck there until the end of the level, even if you die on that level.
**UPDATE: As of February 12, 2005, this glitch has been fixed, so archers will disappear after unpausing the game and reappear as normal... ALTHOUGH, the glitch is still present on the [http://www.homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/trogdor.html version that includes a high score list.]
*If you die as soon as you achieve burnination status, you will come back to life with burnination, assuming you have any mans left.
* When you pause the game while a cottage is burninating, it will continue to burninate until it is destroyed.
*Sometimes you will get "SWORDED" just because you are near the knight, not by necessarily making contact with him.
*In the .swf version, right click and click play after the knight swords you on your last man to start at -1 mans, but click play again for game over.
*If you pause at the "LEVEL BEATEN" screen Trogdor will be unmovable afterward and cannot unpause.
**This glitch has apparently been fixed.
*If you are still burninating while you go into a secret room, then it will show the flame where you last were.
*For a very short moment after burnination stops (and the fire is no longer visible), you can still burninate cottages and peasants.
*Sometimes, while in a treasure hut, Trogdor will get randomly "SWORDED," but you won't lose any lives.
*If you burninate a peasant, then run out of burnination and squish that same peasant, then one of the cottages may spontaneously combust after a short time.

===Inside References===
*"Oh, Trogdor! I pine for you." is a reference to [[trevor the vampire]].
*"ARROWED!" is a reference to [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 1]].
**"IT'S OVER!" is also a reference to [[Teen Girl Squad]].
*This game has a "[[Mans]]" counter.

===Real-World References===
*The "Arch-Deluxe" is a reference to an old McDonald's Burger called the [[Wikipedia:Arch Deluxe|Arch Deluxe]].

*Jonathan Howe's name being an easter egg is actually a reference to Adventure for the [[Wikipedia:Atari 2600|Atari 2600]]. When it was made Atari intentionally kept game designers from achieving celebrity status (or getting a sniff of royalties/credit). In rebellion to this, Warren Robinett hid his name inside what is commonly regarded as the first Easter egg. It was accessible only by picking up an invisible object, carrying it through a dragon-infested maze, and touching it to a blank wall. Doing this revealed a room with Warren's name plastered all over in rainbow colors.

*[[Wikipedia:Wordly Wise|Wordly Wise]] is a series of textbooks designed to build student's vocabulary. What this has to do with the [[Kerrek]] is unknown.

*When you die the replay button says "CHALLENGE AGAIN!". This references the ending of [[Wikipedia:Ghosts and Goblins|Ghosts and Goblins]] which says the same thing.

*"Fry 'em up Dan" is a direct quote from [[Wikipedia:Shel Silverstein|Shel Silverstein]]'s poem "Ladies First".

*The peasants in love may be a reference to the video game Pac-man, by [http://www.namco.com/ Namco], in which Pac-man and Mrs. Pac-man move onto the screen and a heart forms above them.

===Fast Forward===
*[[Dan]], from the caption "Fry 'em up Dan", is later used in [[Thy Dungeonman II]] and [[Peasant's Quest]], as well as [[Stinkoman 20X6]]. This seems to have become a running gag with all of the new games.

===Strong Bad Quotes===
*Strong Bad will say things while you play. Here's a list:

:'''Sworded:'''
:*"Aw, this is the worst game I've ever played!"
:*"Stupid, friggin' knights." (This is apparently always said if you are sworded while the peasant meter is at nine.)

:'''Arrowed:'''
:* "Ugh, stupid arch-deluxe."
:*"Ugh, nothing more humiliating then getting killed by the archer...arch deluxe...show you next time!"

:'''Squish a Peasant:'''
:*"Squished you, peasanty."
:*"I squish you"
:*"A Squisha Squisha"

:'''Get Burninate Power:'''
:*"The tables have turned!"

:'''Burninate a Cottage:'''
:*"Deuce!"

:'''Burninate a Peasant:'''
:*''{laughing}'' "He's on fire! Look at 'em burning!"

:'''Beat a Level:'''
:*"Oh yeah!"
:*"Ohh.. this is the best game I've ever played."
:*"Oh, yes! And the Trogdor comes in the niiight!"

:'''Game Over (depending on your score):'''
:*"Oh, Trogdor! I pine for you."
:*'''STRONG BAD:''' "Beat that score, Strong Sad!"
::*'''STRONG SAD:''' "I don't even want to play that game."
:*"Wow! That's the best secret thing I ever found in a video game. It's like... some dude's name. Flashing and stuff. ''{Jonathan Howe's name appears flashing}''

:'''Upon reaching certain animations:'''
:*"Mmmmm, roast Kerrek!"
:*"What the? What am I doing in this game?!"
:*"It sounds so... realistic."

== External Links ==
*Play the [[HR:trogdor.html|Game]]
*Play the [[HR:trogdor.swf|Game (Flash file)]]
*Listen to the [[Videlectrix:songs/trogdor_theme.mp3|Game Music]] [[Videlectrix:songs/trogdor_intermission.mp3|Game Music (Intermission)]]
{{VidelectrixGames}}
[[Category:Strong Bad Filmography]] [[Category:Videlectrix Games]]

TROGDOR!

Xzqx — Fri, 30 Jun 2006 20:33:10 GMT

Xzqx: /* Trivia */

{{gamenav|New Game|trogdor|Thy Dungeonman 3|Awexome Cross}}

{{aboutgame}} {{forcharacter|Trogdor}} {{forsong|Trogdor (song)}} {{for|[[:Category:Karaoke Videos|karaoke video]]|Trogdor (karaoke)}}

[[Image:trogdorgame.png|thumb|8-bit majesty!!]]

''"The beefy armed dragon has had it up to here with those pesky peasants. Achieve burnination and watch the countryside go up in flames."'' —[[Videlectrix]]

'''TROGDOR!''' is a game based on the character of {{Film|Trogdor}} from the [[Strong Bad Email]] [[dragon]]. You play as Trogdor, squishing peasants and burninating cottages, all while avoiding knights and archers.

'''Page Title:''' TROGDOR!!!

== Instructions ==
<blockquote>
Use the arrow keys to control Trogdor. 
Stomp 10 peasants to achieve burnination. 
Burn all cottages to advance a level. 
Avoid knights and archers! 
Press SPACE to pause. 
click anywhere to START 
Programmed by Jonathan Howe 
Designed by Mike and Matt</blockquote>

== Interludes ==
*There are a number of funny interludes after the following levels, similar to the ones between some levels of Pac Man and other arcade games:
**Level 4 — "stompin' good"
::''{A lone peasant is on the left side of the screen. Trogdor approaches from the right with two knights in hot pursuit. Trogdor stomps the peasant and then turns to burninate the knights as they retreat.}''
:*Level 8 — "fry 'em up Dan"
::''{Trogdor is in the middle of the screen. Four peasants approach one by one from the left, are burninated and exit at the bottom of the screen.}''
:*Level 12 — "parade of trogdors"
::''{Nine Trogdors parade from right to left across the screen.}''
:*Level 16 — "dancin' time"
::''{Trogdor breaks it down surrounded by ten burninated peasants and two knights}''
:*Level 20 — "flex it, troggie"
::''{Trogdor flexes his beefy arm.}''
:*Level 24 — "peasant dominoes"
::''{Seven peasants are in a line. Trogdor burninates the peasant on the right. The peasant to the left of the burninated peasant catches fire as the first peasant falls over. This effect dominoes down the line of peasants until they all fall over. Trogdor hops up and down with glee.}''
:*Level 30 — "trogdor incognito"
::''{Two peasants approach each other from opposite sides of the screen and stop in the middle. The peasant on the left burninates the peasant on the right. The peasant on the right runs off. The peasant on the left hops up and down.}''
:*Level 34 — "go trogdor # 2!"
::''{Seven peasants are hopping up and down as two Trogdors race across the screen from left to right. Trogdor number two wins the race.}''
:*Level 38 — "forbidden peasant love"
::''{Two peasants enter the screen from the right with a heart between them. As they reach the middle of the screen, a blue knight runs on screen and takes the peasant on the left away. The heart disappears as the peasant that was on the right is left alone.}''
:*Level 42 — "2 cottages"
::''{Two cottages appear.}''
:*Level 46 — "a funny joke"
::''{A knight is minding his own business on the left side of the screen. Out of nowhere, an archer appears on the right side of the screen and begins to shoot five arrows off of the knight's helmet. The archer leaves and the knight turns to face the spot where he was to find no one is there.}''
:*Level 50 — "smote that kerrek!"
::''{Trogdor is on screen with The Kerrek. The Kerrek bounces up and down a few times before Trogdor burninates him.}''
::'''Strong Bad:''' Mmmm! Roast Kerrek!
:*Level 100 — ''{A tiny arcade game Strong Bad enters the screen from the right.}''
::'''STRONG BAD:''' What the? What am I doing in this game?

::''{Arcade Strong Bad moves his arms up and down as the text "congratulations. you got good score" appears}

::'''GAME:''' Congratulations. You got good score.

::'''STRONG BAD:''' It sounds so... realistic.

::''{roll credits}''

::'''cast:'''

::''{Trogdor appears}''

::'''trogdor'''

::''{A peasant appears}''

::'''perez'''

::''{A slightly different peasant appears}''

::'''hackworth'''

::''{An on-fire peasant appears}''

::''' 'the steve' '''

::''{A blue knight appears}''

::'''the blue knight'''

::''{A more different blue knight appears}''

::'''the red knight'''

::''{Two archers appear, joined at their torso}''

::'''the siamese archers'''

::''{The Kerrek appears, and is burninated. His ashes form a roast The Kerrek, complete with apple in mouth.}''

::'''and Wordly Wise as The Kerrek'''

::''{Trogdor and Arcade Strong Bad appear at an angle}''

::'''keep playing!'''

::''{The game advances to the high score screen}''

== Easter Eggs ==
[[Image:Togdor_secret.png|thumb|If you score more than 2,000 points and die, [[Jonathan Howe]]'s name is shown]]
*Click and hold the "G" in the TROGDOR title to see some game hints.
**Don't let the peasants return to their cottages.
**Once you're burninating, you're invincible.
**Burninated peasants set their cottages on fire.
**Get an extra man every 300 points.
**What's a treasure hut?!?!
**Secret Code?!?!
*On the hints screen, you can use the [[Wikipedia:Konami Code|Konami Code]] (up up down down left right left right B A, and then click the word "START"). This will start you off with 30 lives.
*During the game you can hit the "k" key to kick the game. This doesn't seem to give you any advantage, but it does cause the machine to repeat the word "TROGDOR!" (A reference to [[Arcade Game]].)
*Treasure Huts! You can enter certain huts and pick-up gold! To get to them you must burninate certain huts that block them. You may only enter one Treasure Hut per game.
**Some of these huts are:
**On level 7, the leftmost hut. Burninate the 4 huts in the way.
**On level 11, the lower right hut. Burninate the huts around it.
**On level 16, the upper left hut. Burninate the three huts in the way.
**On level 43, the rightmost hut. Burninate the hut above it.

== Tips ==
* If a peasant makes it back into their cottage, you lose a point on the meter of peasants you squished (unless the meter is already empty). This can be frustrating when some cottages are inaccessible. Make sure you don't miss opportunities to squish peasants on these levels.
* Knights move in a pattern consisting of two moves (repeated over and over), completely ignoring Trogdor and the peasants. Their pattern gets "mirrored" when they hit a wall. Learning their patterns is one of the keys to doing well in the game.
* When you burninate peasants, they will run back to their cottage, which will burninate the cottage without need for direct burnination.
* Peasants will still come out of Burninated cottages, though Trogdor can walk right through them. Knights and arrows can go through any cottage.
* Archers appear in much greater frequency when you progress, but knights tend to be the main obstacle. Be sure to pay attention to the edges of the screen for archers. Arrows go about the same speed as Trogdor.

== Fun Facts ==
===Trivia===
*Using a [http://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/flash.html seek bar] suggests that this game was originally intended to have a high-score board. It actually does [http://www.homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/trogdor.html here]; unfortunately, this version has the impossible level 27 (see below).
*Flex it Troggie, Forbidden Peasant Love, and Smote That Kerrek are the only three animations that use art that isn't used during gameplay.

===Remarks===
*In [[Peasant's Quest]] it says that Trogdor is invincible, but he can die in this game.
*When an archer kills Trogdor, it shows Trogdor with several arrows stuck in him, even though the archer shot only one.
*When Trogdor gets sworded, the knight is still holding his sword and there is one sticking out of Trogdor.

===Goofs===
*Lev. 27 was well nigh impossible. The peasant-paths were accessible only for 2 of the 6 cottages, so for every peasant you squished there were 2 left to wander back into their cottages (diminishing your burninator meter). Meanwhile, the cottages themselves walled you in to a very small area, which made you a sitting duck for archers and knights. This level was "fixed" as of February 12, 2005, making it much simpler to beat. The change is documented in the [[FAQ]].

===Glitches===
*Pausing causes a purple ball to become visible on the screen.
*If you pause the game (using the space bar) when the archer is out pulling his bow, he will get stuck there until the end of the level, even if you die on that level.
**UPDATE: As of February 12, 2005, this glitch has been fixed, so archers will disappear after unpausing the game and reappear as normal... ALTHOUGH, the glitch is still present on the [http://www.homestarrunner.kitkorp.com/trogdor.html version that includes a high score list.]
*If you die as soon as you achieve burnination status, you will come back to life with burnination, assuming you have any mans left.
* When you pause the game while a cottage is burninating, it will continue to burninate until it is destroyed.
*Sometimes you will get "SWORDED" just because you are near the knight, not by necessarily making contact with him.
*In the .swf version, right click and click play after the knight swords you on your last man to start at -1 mans, but click play again for game over.
*If you pause at the "LEVEL BEATEN" screen Trogdor will be unmovable afterward and cannot unpause.
**This glitch has apparently been fixed.
*If you are still burninating while you go into a secret room, then it will show the flame where you last were.
*For a very short moment after burnination stops (and the fire is no longer visible), you can still burninate cottages and peasants.
*Sometimes, while in a treasure hut, Trogdor will get randomly "SWORDED," but you won't lose any lives.
*If you burninate a peasant, then run out of burnination and squish that same peasant, then one of the cottages may spontaneously combust after a short time.

===Inside References===
*"Oh, Trogdor! I pine for you." is a reference to [[trevor the vampire]].
*"ARROWED!" is a reference to [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 1]].
**"IT'S OVER!" is also a reference to [[Teen Girl Squad]].
*This game has a "[[Mans]]" counter.

===Real-World References===
*The "Arch-Deluxe" is a reference to an old McDonald's Burger called the [[Wikipedia:Arch Deluxe|Arch Deluxe]].

*Jonathan Howe's name being an easter egg is actually a reference to Adventure for the [[Wikipedia:Atari 2600|Atari 2600]]. When it was made Atari intentionally kept game designers from achieving celebrity status (or getting a sniff of royalties/credit). In rebellion to this, Warren Robinett hid his name inside what is commonly regarded as the first Easter egg. It was accessible only by picking up an invisible object, carrying it through a dragon-infested maze, and touching it to a blank wall. Doing this revealed a room with Warren's name plastered all over in rainbow colors.

*[[Wikipedia:Wordly Wise|Wordly Wise]] is a series of textbooks designed to build student's vocabulary. What this has to do with the [[Kerrek]] is unknown.

*When you die the replay button says "CHALLENGE AGAIN!". This references the ending of [[Wikipedia:Ghosts and Goblins|Ghosts and Goblins]] which says the same thing.

*"Fry 'em up Dan" is a direct quote from [[Wikipedia:Shel Silverstein|Shel Silverstein]]'s poem "Ladies First".

*The peasants in love may be a reference to the video game Pac-man, by [http://www.namco.com/ Namco], in which Pac-man and Mrs. Pac-man move onto the screen and a heart forms above them.

===Fast Forward===
*[[Dan]], from the caption "Fry 'em up Dan", is later used in [[Thy Dungeonman II]] and [[Peasant's Quest]], as well as [[Stinkoman 20X6]]. This seems to have become a running gag with all of the new games.

===Strong Bad Quotes===
*Strong Bad will say things while you play. Here's a list:

:'''Sworded:'''
:*"Aw, this is the worst game I've ever played!"
:*"Stupid, friggin' knights." (This is apparently always said if you are sworded while the peasant meter is at nine.)

:'''Arrowed:'''
:* "Ugh, stupid arch-deluxe."
:*"Ugh, nothing more humiliating then getting killed by the archer...arch deluxe...show you next time!"

:'''Squish a Peasant:'''
:*"Squished you, peasanty."
:*"I squish you"
:*"A Squisha Squisha"

:'''Get Burninate Power:'''
:*"The tables have turned!"

:'''Burninate a Cottage:'''
:*"Deuce!"

:'''Burninate a Peasant:'''
:*''{laughing}'' "He's on fire! Look at 'em burning!"

:'''Beat a Level:'''
:*"Oh yeah!"
:*"Ohh.. this is the best game I've ever played."
:*"Oh, yes! And the Trogdor comes in the niiight!"

:'''Game Over (depending on your score):'''
:*"Oh, Trogdor! I pine for you."
:*'''STRONG BAD:''' "Beat that score, Strong Sad!"
::*'''STRONG SAD:''' "I don't even want to play that game."
:*"Wow! That's the best secret thing I ever found in a video game. It's like... some dude's name. Flashing and stuff. ''{Jonathan Howe's name appears flashing}''

:'''Upon reaching certain animations:'''
:*"Mmmmm, roast Kerrek!"
:*"What the? What am I doing in this game?!"
:*"It sounds so... realistic."

== External Links ==
*Play the [[HR:trogdor.html|Game]]
*Play the [[HR:trogdor.swf|Game (Flash file)]]
*Listen to the [[Videlectrix:songs/trogdor_theme.mp3|Game Music]] [[Videlectrix:songs/trogdor_intermission.mp3|Game Music (Intermission)]]
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