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== I got a great image of the easter egg ==

Click on Strong Bads diamond while he's talking to the [[Compy 386]] and the [[Tandy 400]] to see this

http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Image:Eastereggretirement.PNG

== Text to egg. ==

This is the text to the egg... I don't know how to format it though. :S I apologize, I'm still learning.

''[list moved to article]''

[[User:Ivysaur|Ivysaur]] 10:58, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

== There's more easter eggs strewn about this email ==

After the Horses/IT Pros joke, the chimney pipe can be clicked to show a Dullard comic about such a thing. There's also a couple of clickable squares on the Lappy screen before the TSoND; can't figure out what they do though.

Also, click on the plugs underneath the desk after the Tandy explodes for the pixelated explosion again. {{unsigned|81.178.84.219|10:57, 2 October 2006}}
:Good find :-) {{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:02, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

==Links?==
There seems to be no links on the website itself to the email, only here. How will the General Public SEE it?
--[[User:Gerkuman|Gerkuman]] 11:06, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
:It's on the email manu. Clear you cache, maybe. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 11:09, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

== Goof ==

The lappy seems to still have all its keys, despite one of them being removed in [[cliffhangers]]. --[[User:60.229.93.56|60.229.93.56]] 11:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
:Well spotted. You could have just added directly to the article.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:15, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

== resolved ?s in retirement article ==

Hello, I don't have an account, and am having trouble with the editing, so could somebody please change the "?s" in the article? the first ? is "half-FULL bags." the other is "italian herb-CHIPOTLE". thanks.
:Glad to see that you did manage to change it yourself :-){{User:Loafing/sig}} 11:53, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

== Possible Read-World Reference ==

The filenames you get when you click SB's diamond are heavily truncated and abbreviated, and match the style of old DOS [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/8.3 8.3] names (that's in length... 8 letters, a period, and three more letters) that were in use before long file names were made possible through Windows. Such names were used so filenames could still be descriptive and still fit within the 8.3 limitations at the same time. However SB's filenames are still clearly far too long to fit within 8.3 characters. --[[User:64.195.243.2|64.195.243.2]] 14:12, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

== Lil' Brudder ==

I Noticed That When Strong Bad Is Panicing Around Under The Lappys Tail, That It Plays The Same Noise As Lil' Brudder's "Leg Failing" -- [[User:Assassinator666|Assassinator666]] 14:19, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I think it's Homsar's walking noise.
:Oh, Didn't Realise That They're The Same. My Bad. -- [[User:Assassinator666|Assassinator666]] 14:47, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
::That sound is used A LOT on the site. It was in cliffhangers too, when the Thnikkaman was waddling away. {{User:Saturn/sig}} 15:15, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

== Goof-Tastic ==

I Saw This, And I Think It's A Goof.
http://img1.putfile.com/thumb/10/27410375642.jpg
It's When Homestar And Strongbad Are At The Computer, And This Is From The Flash File. -- [[User:Assassinator666|Assassinator666]] 14:41, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
:Things that happen outside the frame don't count as Goofs. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 14:45, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

:: Ok, Didn't Know, Will Take Into Account In The Future -- [[User:Assassinator666|Assassinator666]] 14:47, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
::: But that would be remarkable, don't you think? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:31, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

== Which computers? ==

I noticed the Lappy is listed as a computer for this toon along with the Tandy. Yet, the Lappy's not actually used to answer an email. Is there another reason it's listed on top? Or is that a mistake? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 17:24, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
:I wrote that out of habbit, and I think you're right. I'll fix it. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:50, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
::Actually, Strong Bad finished answering the full E-Mail with the Lappy.

== Real World Reference ==

What about the who-dunit and the 7-eleven/Simpsons Who Shot Mr. Burns? Contest?

Also, what about the [http://www.buck-o-nine.com Buck-O-Nine] Reference?

: The contest reminds me more of the Butterfinger/Simpsons contest with who stole Bart's butterfinger or something like that. since something was STOLEN, not shot. [[User:Yadaman|Yadaman]] 23:20, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

:: forgot to mention, I'm not sure if this is true for the 7-Eleven one, but in the Butterfinger one, the person who did it was near completely unexpected and kind of a shock ending, similar to this one (we all thought it was a person, and BAM! it was the old computers). [[User:Yadaman|Yadaman]] 23:23, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

::Candies have had a long tradition of having things stolen. Cheetos, Smarties (Canadian ones anyway), M&M's, lots of stuff. TTATOT ftw!

==How will it check==
Should we mention that while the Tandy continued to check emails after it broke, the Compy was thrown away immediately after breaking? I mean, how can it check an email with that gaping hole? -[[User:71.192.94.44|71.192.94.44]] 19:10, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
:Guess we'll find out tomorrow, eh? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:Remember, this is the Talk for this page, not the Forum. As for noting that the Tandy checked emails after breaking, that's already noted on the Tandy page, and it wouldn't belong here anyway. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:17, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

make a bigger hole duh!

== Back button added late? ==

Can anyone else verify that the Back button did not originally appear? I watched this a couple hours ago and I could swear there wasn't a Back button that time around. [[User:Octan|Octan]] 21:08, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
:It was definitely there half an hour after release.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 21:29, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

== Can I get a witness? ==

No real-world reference for this? My first thought was actually Grand Funk Railroad's "Some Kind of Wonderful" (which I have heard), but after some research I suppose the often-covered [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Can_I_Get_a_Witness Marvin Gaye title] (which I have not heard) is more likely.
:There's no real-world reference because the fact is [[HRWiki:Glossary#T|TTATOT]]. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}} 21:59, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

::Besides Gaye's and GFR's songs, there's Frank Black's song. All three were suggested as references, but they can't all be, so no reference. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:07, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

== Sad eyes? ==
[[Image:Sadbad.png|thumb|The saddest of Bads...]]
At the beginning, Strong Bad's eyes are sad (the top halves are taken off). Isn't this noteworthy since it doesn't happen very often?
:I don't recall it ever happening. Let's get a few more keen observers to chime in though. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:28, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
::Wait... that [[:Image:sbemail127.png|has]] happened before... {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:52, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
:'''EC''' It ''is'' a rare occurrence, and it was noted at its first appearance in [[long pants]]. I tend to think that the "coming in on a worried Strong Bad" bit in the transcript is sufficient for this article, since it has happened and has been noted before. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 22:56, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
{{clear}}
But in the long pants one, he's showing exasperation. In this one it's slanted for sadness. Just saying...
:They're just partially closed. Or open, depending on your attitude. Either way, we're seeing his eyelids. {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 01:44, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

IMO, we should mention this occurance, since it conveys a different emotion than the "long pants look". - [[User:TaranchulaVamp15|TaranchulaVamp15]]

== DULLARD = Dilbert ==

I think it's pretty clear that Dullard by "Levert Burtmore" is a reference to Dilbert by Scott Adams. Do we need a vote on this or should I just go ahead and add it? --[[User:Sailor titan|Sailor titan]] 22:20, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
:Already mentioned on the [[Dullard]] page. {{User:Saturn/sig}} 22:22, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

== Saving the orphanage ==

The remark about saving the orphanage reminded me of the Blues Brothers, but I'll let you guys decide if it's worthy enough for the real-world references section.

First thing that came to my mind. Glad I'm not the only one Anonny. I say yes! -- [[User: TaranchulaVamp15|TaranchulaVamp15]] -- Here, now, on my time.

It's kind of standard drama, saving the orphanage, saving the orphans. Hey, maybe it's Ibsen's ''Ghosts.''

== extra buttons? ==

dont know what they do but did anyone else notice 2 small useless buttons on the lappy's screen in the rooftop scene?
:'''edit conflict''' I think those're just the contrast buttons on the Tandy, they're clickable but they don't do anything. {{User:Saturn/sig}} 02:37, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

==Goof==

In the Flash version, when Strong Bad is slinking off to Bubs' Concession Stand, when Strong Bad goes out of the frame, his body disappears.

That's completely normal. -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 02:36, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

:His head doesn't. [[User:Retromaniac|Retromaniac]] 03:46, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
::So? His body has lots more moving parts. -[[User:FaceCrap|FaceCrap]] 16:01, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

== What year is it? ==

How many times now has Strong Bad gotten the year wrong? There's #150, there's the comic convention, this one, any others?

:That's not altogether true. In regards to 150, he quickly corrected himself at the end ("All my Strong Bad doppelg䀀ngers represent... Sesquicentenn-email, 2005— I-I mean six."). And here he says, "Now, let's check emails like it was the deuce double-ought dweice! It just means 2002..." He said, "Like it was." [[User:MHarrington|MHarrington]] 05:03, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

== Buck OR nine ==

I'm almost certain that SB is saying "Everybody's trying to make a buck OR nine off of my etc. etc." Listen to it with a good pair of headphones and the "R" sound comes through quite clearly. By extension, I think that the "Buck o' Nine" CA ska band reference is quite unlikely. -[[User:TobyTheRobot|TobyTheRobot]] 03:03, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

== Real-world reference that hasn't been mentioned ==

Marshie's body when he says "Win Big" is likely meant to be a parody of the Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man from Ghostbusters

That's a humongous stretch. The SPMM doesn't even bear a resemblance to Big Marshie. [[User:71.231.56.40|71.231.56.40]] 04:27, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

== Slink? ==

I'm positive that "Slink" is a reference to "How the Grinch Stole Christmas" (the TV special) because they say "slink" and he moves just like it... I even told my sis about how Strong Bad moved off the couch and her first reaction was "Oh, from the Grinch!" I'm desperately trying to find my copy so I can confirm this. Can I get a witness?
:What about Slinkys? They slink. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:42, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
::In a very similar fashion, too. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::I'm pretty sure it was "slunk" in ''How the Grinch Stole Christmas'', as in past tense...not sure if that might make the smallest difference in the argument... --[[User:BlueStar|BlueStar]] 05:47, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

== Long filenames ==

The 8.3 filename restriction wasn't anything to do with FAT16 vs. FAT32; "long filename" support was introduced in windows with the "vfat" driver, which came ''before'' FAT32 came around. The two things happened at around the same time, but they're not related in any way.

[[User:67.175.119.37|67.175.119.37]] 01:36, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

==Eenie, meenie, miney, moe...==
*Strong Bad has no problem typing commas on the Lappy, despite its missing "toe".
Is this fun fact really worth noting? Most keys have a little spring or rubber thing below them, so it's not ''that'' hard to type if you're missing a key. I don't think it must be removed, but I'm inclined against keeping it.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 08:59, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
: We don't know how much of the key was removed. I'm for keeping it. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 09:02, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
::I think it works well as a remark, which is how it's currently categorized (I'd object to it being labelled as a goof). {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 14:41, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
:::Maybe you should ask Strong Bad how he types commas without comma keys. I bet you'll get a speedy answer. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:48, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
: I know from personal experience that yes, it is possible even if the rubber knob and spring had also been removed. It's VERY hard (like it'll work 1 time out of 10) but if you press hard enough on the shiny part of it, sometimes it'll work. -[[User:WarthogDemon|WarthogDemon]] 23:25, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
::With the whole key removed, or even part of the key, yes, it IS possible to type that letter. On the other hand, you may not be able to do it as quickly as Strong Bad types it. My enter key was missing off my laptop for a week or two and I had a very hard time typing quickly, even though I normally type.. well, almost as fast as Strong Bad! (I spend a LOT of time on the computer. xD) Anyways, I think this is something that belongs on the page, because it is accurate, IMO, and interesting. (I just looked through the page and didn't see it on there so I'm assuming it's been taken off, but I may have looked over it.) {{User:Compgrl323/sig}} 06:01, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
:::Yes, it is possible to type a key when its removed. That happened to me with the tab key, because i had to hold it down during entire toons to look out for easter eggs. (That was before i learned about flash seek bars) [[User:Dr. Savage|Dr. Savage]] 23:30, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
== Gears and Fans ==

I hardly think its necessary for a computer to have working "gears and fans" to run. Certainly not gears anyway, and fans is highly debatable. --[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 09:01, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
:I exploded the cooling system in my mom's computer and it continued to work fine. Well, maybe not "fine" (it freezes up whenever the CPU gets too hot), but I'm sure Strong Bad could continue to check email, especially since the '''giant hole''' in the screen would provide additional cooling. He just better not tax it too much by trying to play Peasant's Quest.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 09:04, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
::Actually, if you want to really be technical, the gears and fan would make up part of the monitor and it would actually be a cathode ray tube considering the suggested age of the computer. In this case, the monitor would not work at all because the electron gun would have been completely blasted out of the monitor by the shotgun blast. But, when has reality ever limited what's possible in the Homestar Runner universe? --Eaglescout1984 10:44, 3 October 2006 (GMT)
:::I have four words for you: IT'S...A...FREAKIN'...CARTOON!!! :D --[[User:128.120.173.11|128.120.173.11]] 17:43, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
::::Yeah, we know. Look at Eaglescout's last sentence. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar]] 20:21, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
::Of course, a computer that old wouldn't need a fan or heat sink for cooling anyway... - [[User:68.108.243.128|68.108.243.128]] 00:50, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

==Marzipan's Hair?==

It appeared to me that Marzipan's hair was just tied up, as many a gymnast or contortionist is oft to do.

--I'd be inclined to agree with you, unless we see it like that again. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]] 12:34, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

--That was certainly my first thought, that it was tied up in a bun or something. (Wasn't it originally listed like that on the wiki?)
--[[User:Bobsmith84|Bobsmith84]] 14:59, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

:I agree tied up not cut. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 15:07, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

::It appears to have a line over the top of the bun, suggesting her hair was braided then twisted into said bun. :P --[[User:Ookelaylay|אוקאלייליי (Ookelaylay)]] 19:13, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

--I thought it was partially burned off in [[keep cool]], and that's why she re-styled it. [[User:68.249.168.130|Anonymous]] 10:04, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
---I like that answer actually--[[User:JamesDean|JamesDean]] 18:02, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

==Concerning Automatic hole formatting!==

Sorry, new to Wiki-editing, but I was wondering if that fact that Strongbad's reply is in this e-mail doesn't seem to fully conform to the compy's auto hole formatting would count as a goof? --[[User:Ilascott|Ilascott]]
:I'm pretty sure it's intentional, so no, I don't think it would count. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 14:42, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

: Maybe somehow the email was already like that, and its just that there were spaces between the parts, but strong bad didn't do that --[[User: Penguindude|Penguindude]]

==Lappy's "toe" missing==

It isn't a goof, because it was a goof in part A.

== "I give you...Kong, the eighth wonder of the world!" ==

I'm trying to add the fact that, though "the eighth wonder of the world" is applied a lot, Strong Bad's use is almost certainly a direct reference to the most famous, Carl Denham's carnival-barker-like use of the term to introduce Kong in captivity in the classic 1933 film "King Kong." However, it keeps getting undone, instantly.

I've seen the movie enough times that it was the first thing to come to mind when Strong Bad used the term. In fact, that's the most famous one, as I said; furthermore, the combination of Strong Bad as carnival barker, and the fact that he's introducing Strong Mad, seems to make it extremely plausible. I stand by it.--[[User:128.120.173.11|128.120.173.11]] 17:38, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
:What you're saying is not implausible, but it's not necessarily likely either. I thought more of Kong when I saw The Cheat chained to the ground. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:17, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
:There are a few possible kong references throughout the email. The above two that you have stated and also the Donky Kong reference when SB is dancing around in DK fassion in the last email. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:35, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
:[[Wikipedia:Eighth Wonder of the World|Check this out.]] It's not unique to King Kong. Or Donkey Kong. Or... Funky Kong? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:28, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
Added to Wikipedia. :D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighth_Wonder_of_the_World#Other --[[User:86.112.236.105|86.112.236.105]] 10:24, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
: Don't even make it look like you're trying to vandalize other Wikis. Additionally, Strong Mad's not the eighth wonder of the world, he's the ate-thh wonder of the world. ;) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:39, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

==Leviathan?==

Should "Leviathan" be a real-world reference? It's a sea monster in the Old Testament. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan] I know it's also a book by Hobbes, but given that it's referring to Brother Graw Mad here, I'm thinking the sea-monster allusion is the right one. - [[User:Rasmoh|Rasmoh]] 18:20, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
:I think so too. And it should be an explanation, not an RWR.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 18:40, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

==No 404 page==

The place where the page would normally be if it weren't a two-parter,http://www.homestarrunner.com/sbemail159.html, has no 404 page.
[[User:66.24.3.156|66.24.3.156]] 15:16, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
:It has the same 404 error for me as it does for any other nonexistant page on the site... namely the stock [[Wikipedia:IIS|IIS]] error message ([[404'd]] is down over the whole site for some unknown reason). {{User:Phlip/sig}} 15:20, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

== Return of the Tandy ==

The following fact was [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=retirement_B&curid=28075&diff=372494&oldid=372460&rcid=322707 proposed], which I like, even though I think it's too much of a stretch. The two do bear some interesting similarities, though.
*The the appearance of the ghosts of Tandy and Compy watching over as Strong Bad and Lappy are happily walking in the sunset may be a reference to the end of [[Wikipedia:Return of the Jedi|Return of the Jedi]] when the ghosts of [[Wikipedia:Obi Wan|Obi Wan]], [[Wikipedia:Anakin Skywalker|Anakin Skywalker]], and [[Wikipedia:Yoda|Yoda]] appear during the victory celebration.
{{User:Trey56/sig}} 04:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
:I agree that it's too much of a stretch, but I'm glad you have it here. I like any potential reference to Star Wars, especially since (as far as I know) TBC have never done any overt ones. - [[User:Point7Q|Point7Q]] 04:29, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
::[http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php/Special:Search?search=%22star+wars%22&go=Go Check for yourself]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::I think that this has been done on purpose. TBC have made reference to the abundance of flash Star Wars parodies, and made that unaired sbemail where StrongBad makes greeting cards to console people whose Star Wars parodies sucked.

==Rename plan of action==
So... what should we do? Move everything here and make [[retirement]], [[retirement A]] and [[retirement B]] redirects? With appropriate mentions in Trivia, of course? {{User:Phlip/sig}} 07:35, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

:That would make sense to me. I wasn't sure what to do when I started the page, so I left it out there to see what would happen. - Jason
: I'm for keeping the old ones, myself. Especially if the Flash files are still there (the html files aren't, but I haven't checked the Flash yet.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:25, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
: Ooookay, so they're not there any more. Still, I'm for keeping the old ones, but if consensus is to remove them, then fine. I won't be happy about it, but it won't be the first time. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 08:26, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
::There are quite a few changes between the old ones and the new ones, keeping the old pages wouldn't be a bad idea. Esspecially if the old flash files are archived somewhere. - Jason
:::I guess that makes sense. I'm still for making [[retirement]] a redirect rather than a disambig, and then put {{tl|about}} and {{tl|for}} at the top of the page. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 08:44, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
::::As long as the changes between the originals and the new combined one are well documented I'll be happy either way. But I'd be slightly happier w/ keeping the old pages. [[User:Atw4299|Atw4299]] 09:45, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::I'm guessing the (combined) will disappear in a week or so. Because it won't make sense to future new viewers as is. But anyway, we definitely shouldn't have a duplicate transcript like this.I think we shoud all merge them here, and put something in trivia and maybe post the mirrors in the external links. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 13:32, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
::::::Yeah, I'll bet you one million lbs of candy that ultimately the name on the Denny's menu will just be [[retirement]], which is where this article should probably be. And I don't think we should maintain separate pages of nearly-identical information, as it violates the [[HRWiki:Once And Only Once|once-and-only-once]] rule. The other pages should be redirects, with the differences from previous versions explained somewhere. Oh, and I [[forumpost:470869|totally called this]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:01, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::::My counterargument comes in the form of five words: [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 1]]. That is all. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:31, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
::::::::My argument comes in two words: [[crazy cartoon]]. The flash files for A and B are not even on the site anymore which is why I think they should be deleted. -{{User:Jeppo/sig}} 16:49, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::::::As Denny's lists this as "retirement (combined)", and the two halves no longer exist, my vote is to 1) drop our grapes, 2) check to be sure no info has been forgotten on the A and B pages, 3) '''delete''' retirments A and B and possibly the retirment disambig page, and 4) unmask that Cheat. The links to the mirrored half-emails can be linked from here. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 18:09, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
::::::::::Ow... your vote is succulently crushing my windpipe. I'm all for that one. — {{User:Lapper/sig}} 19:00, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
Process has begun. We need to go through the incoming links to the A and B page to be sure everything's fixed right. This'll take a little time or a few people working together. Oh, and we need to leave the subtitle transcripts alone, so the mirrors can use them. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 19:18, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
:I question the need to physically delete retirement A and B. They don't hurt anything as redirects, and the history can always be viewed to see how the toons originally existed seperately. Just like we don't delete older revisions of any page, retirement A and B are older revisions of this page, which was mostly copied and pasted. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 21:44, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
::I'd support keeping them around as redirects if there's conmsensus for it. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:46, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
:::We could even merge the histories if we wanted, but the redirects should stay, if only because there are links to the separate pages out there in InternetLand (for example, on various forums, including our own). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:50, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
::::Merging the history would be a bad idea, since they overlap in time... the edits would be sorted by time, and the edits from the two pages would be all mixed up with each other... it would just get confusing. I say just leave them as is. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 21:57, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::As a follow-up to this thread, the "(combined)" was indeed dropped from the name yesterday. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 13:34, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

==Can I Get A Reference?==

Am I right in thinking that when Strong Bad says "Can I get a witness?", it's a reference to Some Kind of Wonderful by Grand Funk Railroad? I know TBC probably don't listen to that kind of stuff, but the quote jumped out at me as that song lyric. What do you guys think? -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|<span style="color: #800080;">''Brightstar Shiner''</span>]] 20:48, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
:Or "Can I Get A Witness" by Marvin Gaye, or "Can I Get A Witness?" by Run-DMC, or... See also [http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=705808 this page]... it's a common phrase. This was also [[Talk:retirement A#Can I get a witness?|already discussed]]. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 21:16, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
::Oh. Right. Sorry. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|<span style="color: #800080;">''Brightstar Shiner''</span>]] 20:13, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

==Easter Egg Tie?==

From [[flashback]]: ''This email has the most Easter eggs in any email to date, with eight.'' As far as I can tell, this email now ties that record of eight, if you don't merge the seperate easter eggs of clicking on the Tandy's contrast knobs, and clicking on the Compy's contrast knobs, at the end. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 22:57, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

== Just wondering... ==

Would it be worth mentioning that this is the second time the Lappy exploded? --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 23:25, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
: Lappy? Explode? I must have missed that. ;) (I assume you meant "Tandy".) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:36, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

== Umm... ==

Did any of you notice that Homestar's mouth doesn't move when he and Strong Bad sing, 'Deleted?'
It's noticable before the Tandy's closeup. -Sumgirl

==Mountain Dew Reference==
When Homestar pours mountain dew on the floor - reference to when SB pours out a cold one for his peoples what got sent up the river?
:No, a reference to what THAT was a reference to - as is noted, I believe. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 08:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

==Song and Dance man==

Does anyone else think that this is a reference to Andy Kaufman, who would usually refer to himself as being just that, or is it an ordinary phrase in america? [[User:Lord-z|Lord-z]] 16:27, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
:Yeah it could be... But I think Andy Kaufman was referring more to the old timey "song and dance" men when he was using the phrase as an alternative to being considered a "comedian" which he loathed.

==Missing Toe==

Lappy says she wants to find her toe, and the two computers jump away... even though Strong Bad has had the toe all along because it was left with the ransom note in "cliffhangers."

==Hush Puppies==
Ok, so whats wrong with my post? Hush Puppies are a brand of shoe, so why can't I add it to the article? It still makes sense. :\ --[[User:Gerkuman|Gerkuman]] 18:51, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
:It's a lot more likely that it refers to the food thing, though. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::I understand your agrument but that doesn't rule out the shoes. Computers can't eat OR wear shoes. I just think it's fair to add both. I admit I should've added it here for others to comment on it though, before adding it.--[[User:Gerkuman|Gerkuman]] 18:57, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
:::"We can all go out for hushpuppies." "We can go out for food" is more likely than "we can go out for shoes". No one says "let's go out for shoes. You guys still like shoes, right?" --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::: A lot of people like shoes and shop for shoes. It's certainly very possible. I think we should have a vote on it at least. --[[User:Gerkuman|Gerkuman]] 19:08, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::"We can all go out for hushpuppies" is not the kind of phrase that you use when you shop for shoes. Also, The Paper says "I like hushpuppies". Note the lowercase.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 19:17, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
::::::I originally wrote the hushpuppy fact. I had only heard of the shoe myself, but after doing a little research, it was clear that if it's a reference to anything it's a reference to the food. Really, going out for Hush Puppies makes little sense, and as we see they don't split it into two capitalized words, it makes it even less likely the shoe is what's being referred to. Remember, when we cite references and explanations, we have to consider not just "does it have similarities" but more pointedly "is it likely this is what TBC had in mind here". {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:10, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::::The inference that the majority of people who watch this don't even know that a shoe called Hush Puppies exists should be enough to have the fact changed so that it only mentions the food. I didn't know about either, but I assumed it was food. -[[User:Brightstar Shiner|<span style="color: #800080;">''Brightstar Shiner''</span>]] 21:18, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
::::::::I've heard of both long before this toon even came out. However, since Hush Puppies the shoe brand makes no sense, and since I worked in a fast food restaurant that served hushpuppies when I was in college, the food hushpuppies makes more sense to me. (They're actually fairly commonly placed with seafood, at least in the eastern parts of the country. Have yet to see any hushpuppies at all in the Seattle area.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:29, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

== 119 ==

Could "number 119 deleted" be the 119th e-mail Strong Bad has deleted, or does it repersent email 119([[animal]])?
:The fun facts say animal. Checking the [[DELETED]] page, it doesn't appear to be 119 listed. Of course, it could just be random, too. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::I think it's plausible to say it might have been the 119th deleted email, but there's absolutely nothing on the site to corroborate that. It would be speculation at best. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 00:26, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

== Order in the court ==

When I added the "Changes" section, I put the facts in chronological order, as we do with Easter eggs and cast lists. It's dot com then rearranged it, putting them in functional order (for instance, grouping differences based on the missing comma key together. I don't want to get into an edit war over this, so let's put it to the vote. Chronological or functional? I'm with '''chronological''', of course. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:26, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:Or we could discuss it. The list is in ''mostly'' chronological order, but the most important part is now first (describing how they were actually combined), and the two parts about the commas are together. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:33, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
::Discussing it always seems either turn into a vote or fizzle into nothing anyway when there are two people who disagree. I was just trying to beat it there. >_> Anyway, I'm just not sure that the "combining" aspect ''is'' the most important part; that's very subjective. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:38, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:::If the combining aspect is not the most important change, then what is? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:41, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
::::To be clear that we're talking about the same thing, the note at the top of the section already says that they were combined; what I meant was that the part about the paper's absence and the fade-in/out wasn't necessarily the most important part. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:46, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
:::::I'm still not sure I agree, but I no longer disagree enough for it to be out of chronological order, so I put it back like you had it. See? We didn't need a vote after all, just a talk. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:53, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

== Tandy is already "dead"! ==
The Lappy was seen as a ghost in Email 48, yet now it's back in physical form - that's a bit strange. I'm not an experienced wiki editor, so if this doesn't belong in "Inside References" please move it to where it does belong.
— Joshua 17:15 11 October 2006 (UTC) {{unsigned|207.67.97.70|17:15 11 October 2006 (UTC)}}

DorianGray, why did you remove my edit? "The king had its physical body" does not make the unusual situation normal. If I saw your ghost while you were still alive, that's even wierder than if I saw your ghost when you were dead. This requires an answer, or I will replace my change. {{unsigned|207.67.97.70|22:29 11 October 2006 (UTC)}}

:HRWiki is not the place for philosophical debates about matters of the soul, even as they apply to personified electrical appliances... suffice it to say that computers, unlike humans, can be repaired from beyond the brink of death, so after being repaired at least enough to function as a sparking mess (possibly by the KoT, possibly by Bubs, who knows?) who's to say that the Tandy's spirit didn't return to the physical computer? To claim either way would be complete speculation on a matter that TBC have made no attempt to nail down, and thus not worthy of mention on the page. If you do want to discuss this, perhaps the [http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewforum.php?f=13 "Religion and Politics" section of the forum] would be more appropriate... {{User:Phlip/sig}} 23:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

: Anyway, the ''Lappy'' never died. How could you confuse the Lappy for the Tandy?! '''Lap'''py = '''lap'''top. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

== Wait a freakin' minute Stanley! ==

70.21.131.249 added the FF:

"On the tandy when you put the contross buttons up a little they will restart when homestar appears with the mountain dew"

I won't pretend to understand that. Then Jay reverted it with this summary:

"This only happens in like every single Tandy/Compy email ever!"

Can any party offer some sort of explanation as to why any of this transpired? Thanks. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 01:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
:He probably means that the Tandy's contrast is reset when the toon cuts from SB typing to a wider shot that includes Homestar.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 02:03, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
::Exactly. In no email ever have the contrast settings been maintained between scene cuts. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 15:38, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

==Piped Links==

What is the standard for piped links? Should we be using <nowiki>[[retirement (combined)|retirement]], or just [[retirement (combined)]]</nowiki> until it's renamed, if it is at all. I don't see the point of piping the links. [[User:70.70.150.54|70.70.150.54]]
:You're right. It's officially called [[retirement (combined)]], so that's how we should call it too.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 21:24, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
::I've been using the unpiped links myslef... Except, maybe one time where I piped it to show about A and B as separate. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::Then there's a couple of fixes due [[Special:Contributions/Ilko Skevüld's Teh C|here]] then, for whoever's interested. [[User:70.70.150.54|70.70.150.54]]

==Possible Steve Irwin Reference==

Strong Bad's line: "You gotta be kidding me. Man, everybody's trying to make a buck or nine off my heart-drooping loss." may be a RWR to tried to sell fony Steve Irwin merchandise after his death, as well as bumper stickers sold.
:Remember Streeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeetch Armstrong? This is unlikely to be a reference especially because the story line was already begun before Irwin died. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 03:05, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
::Also, I think TBC have quite a bit better taste than that. {{User:KieferSkunk/sig}} 00:21, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

== No armed kingy? ==

Is this the first time that we see the exposed shoulders of the KoT ? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 04:53, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
:No, he wore the same suit in [[keep cool]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Closed STUFF ==

{{stuffcloseddecline}}

=== This little piggy ===
{{stufffact|Furthermore, the Lappy asks if Strong Bad "can find my toe", despite the fact that it was attached to the kidnapping note at the end of cliffhangers.}}
{{stuffverdict|23:58, 3 October 2006 (UTC)|04:44, 9 October 2006 (UTC)|declined|15|3|retirement}}

== possible Eureka Seven rwr? ==
at one point in the series renton uses chips as an "anti-depressant" sorry if this is a bit of stretch but I figured I'd mention it.
:No problem — the talk page is the perfect place to bring up this sort of thing. I'm not familiar with Eureka Seven, but I would doubt that this is a reference to it. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:24, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
::well in anycase it was oddly similar to me and it would more than likely go down to if TBC watch much anime. on a more fun note it added another chuckle to the sbemail intended or not!
TBC aren't anime fans so this is extremely unlikely. [[User:71.231.56.40|71.231.56.40]] 04:39, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
:You state that so equivocally. Have you proof? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:42, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
::[[japanese_cartoon#Commentary_Transcript|This commentary]] was quite revealing.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 04:48, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
:::Care to cite? Nothing there seems to indicate any opinion on anime. I see how they had a good time with their frienda and how they love the mushroom and the tear and the snot bubble. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 05:28, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
::::OK, here I go: it shows that they don't really know anything about anime. The "tear" is a sweatdrop. The "mushroom" is a steamy-typey thing, etc. They also remark how they are familiar with these symbols from computer games. To an anime fan, it's a conversation of people who don't watch anime.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 05:33, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
:::::Well, to the common guy, this needs a lot more proof. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 05:51, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

== "Gothic Font" ==

The "gothic font", as refered to in the transcript, looks like Cloister Black or one of its variants.

http://i98.photobucket.com/albums/l264/guzguz9/asobou.jpg

[[User:Begone Demon|Begone Demon]] 20:06, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

: looks like [[Fonts#D|Diploma]] to me. {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:36, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

::With just the T in common, they seem identical. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 04:44, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

== Old Strong Bad head position ==

When Strong Bad checks his last Tandy email, his head was on the position from the first seven emails ever. (before they started making Strong Bad's head move when he talks instead). Does this count? Is it already there? --[[User:68.145.103.189|68.145.103.189]] 22:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
:It's already there ^_^{{User:Loafing/sig}} 22:04, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

== The computer's gender. ==
I think Strong bad is genderly confused when it comes to unanimated objects. Becaus first he told the paper to meet his new "brother" consuming that the Lappy is a boy. But now it's oficial that the Lappy is a girl. So you can use this as an excuse if you are against the Tandy being a girl. [[User:Yo yo mom|Yo yo mom]]
:I think that you've stumbled upon one of the [[Inconsistencies Within the Homestar Runner Universe]] {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 18:34, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

==Two questions==
1. How can a computer pick itself up and move around the place? And especially how can it pick up other objects?
2. Why do all of you think it is normal for such a thing to happen?

[[User:202.76.162.34|202.76.162.34]] 03:12, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

:#It's a cartoon!
:#See #1.
:Hope that helps, {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:15, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

== Commentary ==

Hel-loo! Does anybody know why the section stub sign is still up on the commentary transcript? It's because somebody still has to get out the [[strongbad_email.exe Disc Five|DVD]] and figure out those unintelligible lines! We also need to figure out if "That's every kid's dream" is Mike's line or Ryan's line. [[User:Religious Corn|Religious Corn]] 21:05, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

==I'm A vs. I'm The==
<s>Somehow I knew it would get reverted. I can't understand why — I'm sure I'm right. Here goes.. "I'm ('''a'''/'''the''') song and dance man" ? I say: '''the'''. It's as clear as can be.</s> {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 19:15, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
:Okay, now I'm sure I was wrong. DVD audio has convinced me of my error. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 05:22, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

== Kenneth ==

Marshie's opening remark of "Hello, Kenneth", is likely ''not'' random. I think it comes from the infamous "What's the Frequency, Kenneth" moment in 1986. (Dan Rather was mugged on Park Avenue by a complete wacko who kept yelling, "Kenneth! What is the frequency?" The incident inspired the R.E.M. song of this name.) Am I extrapolating too much? [[User:TJDevil02|TJDevil02]]

== Cheat's Fleas ==

After I read that remark, I recorded the sound of The Cheat's fleas and slowed it down and it didn't sound at all like Strong Bad or The King of Town saying "lalalalalala". It sounded more like people screaming. It's from the Flash file though, which is pretty crappy in audio quality. Unfortunately, I don't have access to the DVDs or anything that would have it in better quality... at any rate, my point is, I honestly don't think it sounds at all like them. Is there any credence to this remark? --[[Special:Contributions/141.224.237.41|141.224.237.41]] 06:34, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

== Longest toon? ==

My question is on [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=retirement&diff=615649&oldid=613935&rcid=574240 this edit]. Basically, i'm not sure that HoD should be considered a toon in this respect. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:51, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
:Me neither. There really anything about it that's a "toon." We've Flash files in the Homestar Runner universe that have had more frames than retirement (I don't remember what it was, but there was something...), but that doesn't count. --[[Special:Contributions/75.5.176.233|75.5.176.233]] 19:59, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
::depending on the outcome of this discussion, [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=Toons_By_Length&diff=615707&oldid=608355&rcid=574299 this] may have to be reverted as well. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:16, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
:::If we don't consider this toon's length, what about [[Limozeen vs. Sloshy]]? - [[User:OkayGraphics|OkayGraphics]] 22:52, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
::::The most relevant discussion I can find on Limozeen vs. Sloshy is [[Talk:Limozeen vs. Sloshy#Short or not short, that is the question]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 22:55, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

== Control alt wherever I hit with the pickaxe ==

So, in the DVD commentary, there's some speculation amongst TBC on what key Strong Bad hit with his pickaxe. I recently took a screenshot of it and it looks like he's hitting A, S, D, or something in that area. This may or may not be that case as he has a nonstandard-looking keyboard. Does anyone else have any ideas and should this be added to the commentary Fun Facts? {{User:Power Pie/sig}} 03:22, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
:Well, like you said, it may or may not be A, S, D, or something. Since we really can't say for sure, and since anyone can just watch the toon to see for themselves, I don't think it would make a very good fun fact. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:09, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

== Video game reference? ==

After SB has spotted the Lappy's tail, and is moving back and forth as he looks up at Bubs' roof, his strange leg movements make it seem as though this must be referencing some classic video game, but I can't for the life of me remember which one.

== Chips goof ==

When Strong Bad is listing the flavor of his chips, a small part of the "buffalo" flavor image is visible when "herb" is listed, yet disappears when "chipotle" is listed.
--[[User:Zoen|Zoen]] 14:59, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 10

Zoen — Mon, 31 Jan 2011 03:44:13 GMT

Zoen: /**/Overlooked goof?

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==TGS Issue Picture==
Which picture should we use? [[Image:Mightywarrior.PNG|thumb|"Mightywarrior.PNG"]][[Image:TeenGirlSquad10.PNG|thumb|"TeenGirlSquad10.PNG"]]

Number one (the warrior) id say. its somthing difffernt
:The lower one definitely. It shows the theme of the episode better. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 15:47, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

== Stan! ==

In the hidden easter egg where The ugly one's dad is advertising, the way he is waving his arms around is a striking resemblence to Stan from the Monkey Island Games. Would this be a fun fact?

Easter Egg? If this exists why isn't it listed? --[[User:Mrdude|jake]] 15:37, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

It is. - Sahm
:Yup. It was listed sometime between 3:37 pm Oct. 10 and now, though, which explains the question. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 05:41, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

== New Software ==

I think the reason for the new animation is TBC got some new animation software and they wanted to test it out. [[User:DaChazman|DaChazman]]

It's all done with Flash. If it were done with Flash 8 (the new one) we'd know. [[User:Ppk01|Ppk01]] 16:25, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

:Besides, with simple characters like that, you can do that with a few masks and shape tweens. {{User:Gafaddict/sig}} 21:13, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

I know there's some software that can export 3D animation to flash. It's called [http://www.erain.com Swift 3D]. However, I dont know if TBC are using it. -[[User:Jesselangham|Jesselangham]]

:They're not. There's nothing fancy with the rotation that they haven't done before, eg in [[funny]]. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 23:51, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah, good point. That software is expensive anyway. Too expensive for a 1 second rotation. -[[User:Jesselangham|Jesselangham]]

== 3-D? I don't even know what that is! ==

I move that all instances of the word 3-D be replaced with the word 3D. Who's with me, eh? [[User:Ppk01|Ppk01]] 16:25, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

:Can somebody who knows something about 3D software confirm that the "We got a spinner" gag is a reference to the bizarre glitches that such software sometimes create (elements moving by themselves in weird ways)? —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:14, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

:I found it to be a reference to CGI animation glitches like the ones shown under special features of Pixar movies.---[[User:RatherAnnoying|RatherAnnoying]] 19:29, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

::Yeah, that's what I was thinking of; like the monster's hair in Monsters Inc. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:32, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

: You're wrong, BTW. [[Wikipedia:3D|3D]] is an auto-redirect to [[Wikipedia:3-D|3-D]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:50, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

:And m-w.com doesn't recognize [http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=3d&book=Dictionary 3D], only 3-D. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:55, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

==Inside references==
In the party sequence, I know all the TGS inside references are listed in the cast of characters at the beginning, but is there any other appropriate way to mention it elsewhere? Say, an inside reference that simply says "See the Cast of Characters?" Also, can someone confirm my suspicion that this contains ''every'' TGS character seen to date (even a reference to Brett!), and that it's the first TGS to include a shot of the "real world," or of regular H*R characters other than Strong Bad? —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 18:34, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
:I'm not sure about your first question, but I can answer your second and third ones:
*2: No, it does not contain every TGS character to date. For example, the Floor Tom and the Vulture/Bat don't appear. See the Minor TGS Characters page for a bunch of characters that fail to appear.
*3: Yes and no. It is the first episode to show the "real world", but [[Pom Pom]] appears in episode #8.
:Hope that helps. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:45, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
::This ''is'', however, the first TGS to show any character--including Strong Bad--outside of the comic's world. Pom Pom in issue 8 was still a drawing, as was Strong Bad's cameo appearances in issues 1, 8, and 9. This is the first time a TGS episode has had not-drawings in it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
:::Actually, Strong Bad Email #53, "comic" also features TGS and "not-drawings" together. Which is the "official" TGS #1, anyway?
:::The Vultures do appear. See the bottom left corner of the scene where Manolios is introducing The Ugly One. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 19:55, 10 October 2005 (BST)
::::Sorry, I meant the Vulture from issue #2. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:58, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

== Vowels ==
Vowels are A-E-I-O-U "Y" is not a vowel :p
:Sometimes it is. It's being used as a vowel in this case. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::From the Wikipedia: "In the standard English language, the letter [[Wikipedia:Y|Y]] is traditionally regarded as a consonant, but as a survey of almost any English text, including this one, will show, Y more commonly functions as a vowel." So our anonymous friend is right. Y is not a vowel. And sign your posts.{{User:The Chort/sig}} 19:37, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

::Also from Wikipedia: The name "vowel" is often used for the symbols used for representing vowel sounds in a language's writing system, particularly if the language uses an alphabet. In the Latin alphabet, the vowel letters are usually A, E, I, O, U, and in some languages Y, as in English. -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft.holmes]] 19:50, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

:::Oh yeah, because an entirely user-edited encyclopaedia can NEVER contradict itself. Why don't we go with the majority and accept that Y is NOT a vowel?
::::[http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefEdList.aspx?refid=210026329 Encarta] seems to agree as well. After all, the way most schools teach vowels is A-E-I-O-U and SOMETIMES Y. In "sorry," Y is a vowel, as it is nearly impossible to construct a meaningful syllable without a vowel. Does "syzygy" also have no vowels in it? No. ... Okay, I rambled. Sorry. But Y is a vowel in this case. [[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 20:41, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

:::: Because it is. The word "vowel" denotes how the letter is used, not what the letter is. As it happens, Y isn't the only "consonant" that can be used as a vowel (W is common, and G and H show up often too.) It's just that the five letters most commonly called "vowels" are the ones NEVER used as consonants. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:39, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

"Vowel" and "consonant" are phonetic distinctions, not letter distinctions. "We're sorry" is pronounced ([[Wikipedia:IPA chart for English|IPA]]) /wi:r sɒˈri:/ - both /i/s and the /ɒ/ are the vowels. It is simply that the large majority of vowel sounds are represented in English with A-E-I-O-U which is why they're called the 5 vowels. So we then have 2 definitions of "vowel" - a vowel ''phoneme'' (which is relevant for the "there's at least one vowel in every syllable" rule) or a vowel ''letter'' (strictly A-E-I-O-U, possibly Y depending on who you ask). The confusion only comes when you get the two confused - for example a syllable does not require A-E-I-O-U(-Y), just a vowel phoneme. Getting back to the point, it's impossible to pronounce words completely without vowel phonemes, /ə/ slips in everywhere (/wər sər/ is as far as you can take "we're sorry"). "Removing all the vowels" only makes sense from a vowel letter view, in which case Y only applies if whoever it is wants it to. And now I'm rambling a bit, so I'll stop. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 00:13, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

You know... even after all this controversy, it doesn't make a good Fun Fact, since she never mentions taking ALL the vowels out. She says "taking ''the'' vowels out," which, yes, implies ''all'' the vowels, but doesn't say it emphatically. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:33, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I'm confused. Have we reached a conensus yet? -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 11:57, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

This is a horrible fun fact. Regardless of whether or not Y is a vowel... the scene is meant to be a pun on internet slang (in AIM saying sry instead of sorry). If they said "'m Srr" it wouldn't be nearly as catchy or funny. I fail to see how this is of interest to anyone. -[[User:DMurphy|DMurphy]] 02:30, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
* As I pointed out on STUFF, that doesn't even begin to explain "prty," which was said before "srry". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:00, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

The slang term for sorry on the internet IS NOT srr it's Srry. As DMurphy said, it's not about the vowels. I say get rid of the thing.

This fun fact has been STUFF'd. [[Template:STUFF/Teen Girl Squad Issue 10|The TGS10 STUFF Page]] -[[User:DMurphy|DMurphy]] 22:59, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

==The other side of the paper==
When the paper saying "Its over" in on screen, you can see the other side of the paper, which is the image of Strong Bad making out with the Ugly One. I dont know if you can see it on a regular screen, but I can only see it on my Laptop, if I makes the screen darker. - Lord-Z
: I see it too. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:43, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
:Yes, and this has already been noted in the transcript. It's been covered just for you ;){{User:Gafaddict/sig}} 21:11, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

== References ==
When the Ugly One's father presents her to the party, I am pretty sure that that is a reference to the MTV show, My Super Sweet Sixteen. Am I correct? --[[User:ItalianBallerina|ItalianBallerina]]

No, this is just a common practice at sweet sixteens. —{{User:Mibluvr13/sig}} 20:50, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

I'm thinking the whole transformation of The Ugly One is a reference to the movie She's All That, in which Rachel Leigh Cook's character goes through the same kind of transformation. --[[User:P0wned|p0wned]]

:Or is it to Miss Congeniality? Or... what's that other one where an overlooked girl comes out of her shell—oh yeah, Cinderella! Fact is, the ugly duckling plot line has been around since, well, The Ugly Duckling. Probably before. It's a reference, not to any of the movies or stories that use it, but to that plot line. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:27, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

:: I'm not even sure that the word "reference" works there; it's just a similar story line. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:30, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, "I" think it is an insult to Hilary Duff. They're making fun of her by portraying The Ugly One as the superstar hotness(Transformation?) and her making out with Strong Bad is what the Brothers Chaps want Hilary Duff to do with Strong Bad. RHRN the Jigglypuff.

:RHRN, will you quit saying that everything is a reference/insult to Hilary Duff? - {{User:Kookykman/sig}}
::Don't worry, Kookykman. RHRN ''has'' stopped. Blocked indefinitely for insulting comments, removing others' remarks, personal attacks, editing others' userpages, and sending a load of derogatory mail to Tom. We need not worry about that one anymore. Also, it was quite a while ago. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Breakin? ==
When Strong Bad says "Arrow'd II: Electric- wait a minute!", it seems to be a reference to "Breakin II: Electric Boogaloo", a movie which has been mentioned on the site before. [[User:TheSyndicate88|TheSyndicate88]]
:Check the fun facts, dude. It's already in there. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}

== Olympic Coach's Voice? ==

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Olympic coach is the only TGS character not voiced by Strong Bad. If so, do you think that's a worthy fun fact? [[User:SA2Tails|SA2Tails]] 21:53, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

:What about Mr. Pitters?

:Also the vultures as they are eating Mr. Pitters do not have a Strong Bad-type voice. Maybe Fatty's Big Chance as well. The voice is grainy and rough, but not as much as the other characters. --[[User:Gillan The Villain|Gillan The Villain]] 22:19, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

:The Scottsmen don't really sound like strong bad.- [[User:Jhonka|Jhonka]]

:He sounds a bit like Wilt from Foster's Home For Imaginary Friends, if you ask me. Also, I'm pretty sure Peacy P is not SB's voice.
-Alex H.

==Has 3D Been Used Before?==
I think 3D was used before. On [[The Luau]], the tofu seems to be spinning in 3D. -[[User:Lotionman|Lotionman]] 23:34, 10 October 2005 (UTC)Lotionman
:I think what has everybody so excited is that in this one the ''camera'' moved in 3D. Though I'm not sure it took anything more than plain ol' Flash to do that. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:43, 10 October 2005 (UTC)
:Don't forget the opening to [[The Interview]]. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 00:21, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
:True, but the animation here seems a lot smoother than that, with the spinning camera sequence, What's-her-face spinning and Strong Bad's movements at the end of the toon.
::Only because the framerate is higher. Flash's default framerate is 12fps - which is about the lower limit for most people being able to distinguish animations from a series of pictures. TGS10 is 20fps - so a lot of the animations are smoother. I've looked with the decompiler - just trust me when I say that What's Her Face spinning is done exactly the same way that they do Strong Bad's head turning to look from side to side. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 04:29, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

== Pictures from the Party ==

I made an image of the pan across the party, showing the minor characters appearing in attendance. It'd make a nice picture for somewhere, I think. (I had the idea of making it just a link, not an actual picture, and putting it in the issue 10 article somewhere. [[Duck Guardian One]] has an example of this in the Trivia section.) One thing though: the picture is roughly four or five times bigger in file size than what's normally recommended to upload. So I thought I'd tell people before acting, just in case. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Pwn ==
Is pwn a reference to [http://www.purepwnage.com/ Pure Pwnage]? Because thats basically the only other place I've heard it. - [[User:Faro1|Faro1]]
:It's vice versa - Pure Pwnage is a referance to the word pwn. Look at the [[Wikipedia:Pwn|wikipedia link]] from the article. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 04:31, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm glad they made fun of that term. Can't we just correct the typo and call it "ownage?" -[[User:Jesselangham|Jesselangham]]
:Its not a typo. It's [[Wikipedia:Leet|l33t-sp34k]]. -[[User:B|B]] 06:05, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
::It's not consistent in the transcript, though. In one place, the leet-speak is verbalized, with the pronounciation in italics, and in the other place the leetspeak's in italics with the pronounciation verbalized. Should it probably be one way or the other for both (either both having leet-speak in italics, or having the pronounciations in italics)? [[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 13:00, 15 October 2005 (UTC)
:::Could "P0WNED!" be a [[portmanteau]] of p'wnd and the well-known POW from Mario Bros.? {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 22:19, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
::::If Strong Bad pronounced it as "pow-owned", possibly... but he didn't. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:38, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
:::::I actually was directly reffering to the spelling, but listening closely, he either said POW'OWND!, or just plain old P'OWNED!. At any rate, it seems quite appropiate, considering the context. {{User:That_game_dude386/sig}} 00:58, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

== Goof or Remark ==
[[Image:Babydaddy.PNG|100px|thumb]]
<div style="border:1px #CCC solid;padding:3px;background:#fafafa;">''In the rotational scene, Cheerleader's ''baby daddy'' seems to come out of her dress.''</div>

:I think this inconsistancy was a mistake made by the Brothers Chaps, therefore a goof. However, It's dot com insists otherwise, rendering it a Remark. What is it? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 19:05, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
*<s>'''Remark.'''</s> I'm not saying they did it ''on purpose'' per se. I ''am'' saying that because this sequence is the first of its kind on the site, they would have paid it extra special attention. Therefore, TBC would have realized the type is doing what it does. Maybe they actually did do it intentionally. Maybe they saw how it turned out and liked what they got. Or maybe there was some technical limitation that made it like it is. It doesn't really matter, because the point is that they didn't ''mistakingly'' do it the way they did. I mean, let's give them a ''little'' credit. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:13, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft.holmes]] 21:06, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' I don't know how this could happen to make it a goof. There's no way they would have programmed the words to ''not'' be on the shirt and not have noticed. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 22:11, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
*<s>'''Goof.''' Now I don't know for sure if it'd be easy to fix or not, but it seems to me they could have just omitted the "ba" and "da" to get a favorable result. If they noticed it, they probably figured it was just one frame and not worth fixing. But that doesn't change the fact that it is still a goof - missed or seen and ignored. This seems to be just as much of a goof as all the other ones written down there. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}</s>
*'''Goof.''' When I posted it, I put it on goofs. I'm with Joshua on this one. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:33, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
*'''Goof.''' --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:34, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
*'''Goof.''' Paying attention or not, the writing is off the shirt. That says ''goof'' to me. We don't know their intentions. -[[User:B|B]] 21:16, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
**The fact that we don't know their intentions is a prime reason for it to be a remark. I'd rather err on the side of TBC here. Calling it a remark when it was a goof doesn't make it less true, and leaves it open to interpretation. Calling it a goof when it really wasn't stigmatizes it unnecessarily. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
*Just because they don't bother to fix it doesn't mean it's not a goof. If we followed your standards, then we'd have to move a lot, maybe almost all, of the goofs to remarks. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 21:44, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
**Not at all. I'm trying to emphasize that they would not have been careless here, since the effect is new and unique. I believe they have both of these things here exactly how they want them. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
* <s>'''Remark.''' After going through it frame by frame, I discovered that Cheerleader's text is floating off the ENTIRE thing, all three times, rather than the single frame that I thought before. So now I think TBC did it to make the overall thing look better when moving quickly, to make the 3D stand out more. But it still deserves mention. And a better picture. (It's hard to see what's what in the currect pic.) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:17, 11 October 2005 (UTC)</s>
* [[Image:sbfacemask.png|thumb|right|Strong Bad's head, with and without masking]] '''Glitch''' - some explination of how TBC make things rotate is in order. Making a realistic rotation would be very time consuming, and you'd need to draw almost every frame to get it to look smooth. However, TBC take a shortcut - almost everything they make that rotates is just a plain sphere with a thing added on it, eg Strong Bad's face or his shoelace thingy - apart from that his head is perfectly round - so when they rotate his head left and right only the face and shoelace have to move, the actual head can stay still. Now for the second shortcut - when his face moves around his head, they don't actually do anything fancy to make it go "around" - they just move it straight from left to right, no distortion, no parallax, nothing. Then they take a mask the shape of SB's head and use it to crop the face to the head. The result - it looks like the face is going around the head. Look at the picture on the right if you're not sure what I mean. If the effect isn't strong enough they add things like skews to make it more real, but for the most part they don't need to. Now we come to Cheerleader's shirt. They did the same thing they always do. They animated everyone's faces and the writing on Cheerleader's dress as moving across them from side to side. Then they added a mask to their faces, but forgot to add a mask to Cheerleader's dress. Hence it is a glitch, I see no reason for them to do this intentionally, and a perfectly good reason for them to do it accidentally. As for Goof vs Glitch, I thought Goofs were things like plot holes, mistakes in the design of the toon, and Glitches were mistakes in the actual building of the toon in Flash, like this. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:56, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

:'''Thank you''', Phlip. For one thing, I had been wondering about the seemingly indiscriminate and interchangeable use of "Goof" and "Glitch." Seems to me a lot of Goofs around here need moving... Also, thanks for finally providing some insight on the way the Flash stuff worked. I agree it's a Flash-generated glitch, but for the record I'm not ''necessarily'' saying they didn't notice it and think it was cool. I think it's kinda cool myself. It enhances the 3-D-ness of it all, kind of a ViewMaster moment. :) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:12, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
*'''Glitch.''' Shifting my vote again. Phlip's explanation makes a lot of sense. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 19:07, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
*'''Glicth.''' I can go for a glitch here. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:22, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

<br><div style="border:1px #CCC solid;padding:3px;background:#fafafa;">''When Strong Bad rewinds the 3-D spin around, the "SO GOOD!" speech bubble disappears.''</div>

:Same deal here as above. The bubble was there, then it wasn't. All that happened was a rewind and replay. OOPS. Seems pretty clear, and the note is still there. -[[User:B|B]] 21:16, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

*<s>'''Remark.'''</s> I really can't imagine how this could be accidental. I just don't see TBC watching this toon later and slapping their heads: "We forgot to keep the speech bubble there!" — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:36, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
**'''Second.''' I know ''I'' wouldn't want to deal with animating a speech bubble if I had a Monday deadline. I don't know how a rotating speech bubble would work realistically, so I think they probably took it out so people wouldn't look at it and say "wow, that just doesn't look good" if they got it wrong. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 22:38, 11 October 2005 (UTC)
***Look closely - they already did a rotating speach bubble the first time they spin around - it's just not there when they spin the second time... <s>So, '''Glitch'''</s>. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:56, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
*'''Goof.''' But this differs from the above. Although I doubt TBC did this without noticing, it is an "inconsistancy," which officially makes a [[HRWiki:Standards#Goofs|goof]]. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} (You know, we really are fighting over nothing. :P)

The wording of the Standard you linked is: "...if things mysteriously vanish or appear (and it's not obviously intentional...)." Personally I have a problem with that wording; I would move it be changed to "obviously ''not'' intentional." Little change, big difference. First of all, let's all notice that they ''did'' animate the rotating speech bubble on the first rotation, okay? Then it disappears because they're done talking. Now if it was in fact an omission, it was a pretty big honkin' one; it's not like the [[A Folky Tale#Goofs|grass around Strong Sad]]; it's a huge... well, thing. My personal opinion is that they left it off the second time because this rotation is essentially a ''visual'' effect, and they didn't want it to get in the way of the effect. If it was in fact an omission, it would have to be a last-minute, bleary-eyed, semi-conscious one (which doesn't fit the quality of the rest of the 'toon). I'm staying non-commital as usual, but I find the arguments for not even mentioning this one pretty strong. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:20, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
: "Not obviously intentional" conveys the meaning I intended when I wrote that better than "Obviously not intentional." For instance, with the "baby daddy" thing, it's not obviously not intentional, but it's not obviously intentional either. (If you can parse that.) However, the disagreement here is on just what IS obvious in this case. This much is obvious: they didn't just reverse and repeat the scene, since the speech bubble is missing. Maybe they just felt like drawing it twice, maybe the second time was an earlier version, or maybe it was intentional. And, at any rate, I'm not willing to call it a "Goof," because it's really not needed (speech bubbles are not physical objects in the real world, so its non-inclusion doesn't really affect what's happening in the scene at all.) So '''remark.''' --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:43, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
::I agree with what Jay is saying and I maintain that it is a remark. On the other hand, it is pretty obvious by just watching the toon, so like AbdiViklas hinted, perhaps '''it should just go unmentioned.''' — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:29, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
:::I'm clean with leaving it out, but we should note for this discussion that, even though this is a ''visual'' effect, the sound remains, indicating a simple re-wind. The omission is indeed obvious, so leave it out. -[[User:B|B]] 06:13, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

The more I think about this the more it seems the must have tried just reversing the whole scene, speech bubble inclusive, and realised it didn't look very good (I mean, the speech bubble disappeared when they finished talking and String Bad started talking, and it would look weird for it to return), so they removed it. So I'm changing my vote to '''either put it in the transcript or leave it out entirely, probably the latter'''. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 16:22, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

== Making out ==

Is this the first time we've ever seen Strong Bad actually make out with something? I mean, he's always gone on about it. If it really is the first time I think it's worthy of a mention in the article somehow.
:It think this is the first time we've seen him... kissing. I think it's noteworthy. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:23, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
i thought that was discusting....i had too close down the window and turn the
volume all the way down!-[[User:Timmy!]]

its also the first time we have seen strong bad eating a girl, atleast the paper 1 is drawn on, tbc have been getting a LITTLE r rated with that!@!
and actually if you count fan hallloweeen costumes we did see "strong bad" making out with a girl before
:And if we put in that Strong Bad ate a girl, people are going to jump to the wrong idea.

1: He wasn't eating the girl, he was trying to make out with the girl on the piece of paper, not eat her. 2: How is making out "R-rated"? [[User:Clever Ben|Clever Ben]] 21:07, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

It's certainly not R-rated or 99% of the films ever made would be R-rated! However it certainly is a move to ever so slightly more "adult" material which along with the "teen pregnant" line in Commandos in the Classroom probably constitues a change in TBC's writing style, probably in recognition of the fact that there's no question of their writing for kids anymore. [[User:131.111.250.142|131.111.250.142]] 22:19, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

People, he is making out with paper. I think that we are being critical saying that the TBC is moving toward an R rated site. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 22:24, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

:I agree with Rogue Leader here. TBC are using humor, as they always do. Making out with/eating paper was intended to be funny, and nothing about it that I can notice is R rated. {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 03:38, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

::If there was nudity (which, this site being family-friendly, there is not any), ''then'' it would be <span style="font-family: 'times new roman';">'''R'''</span>-rated. This does not even come ''close'' to being R-rated! {{User:gwr2004/sig}} 03:58, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh, for God's sake. He's KISSING a girl. Not even a real girl! Can you imagine the devestating effect on little kids if they see that?!! Or even on us! Most of the Wiki are in their teens, so we all understand what sex is and in some cases, what it's like, and a lot of kids our age are constantly talking and joking about it at school, and yet we all complain about REAL tiny things, and run out the room screaming for mommy when Strong Bad says "make out". Jeez, guys. This is why I don't visit the Wiki much anymore. The people on the Weebl and Bob forums aren't like this. [[User:Poopsmith Z|Poopsmith Z]]

:That's a generalization, and it's not valid. Besides, who are you people arguing with? Everyone after the initial "R-rated" suggestion is saying the same thing: namely, that the suggestion was wrong. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:00, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

The eating a girl was obviously a joke since he popped the paper into his mouth with a picture of a girl on it, and by the way, lets not forget there is plenty of nudity, lets not forget the shower main page, homestar's butt dance, the alien dude in the shower in that 1 flash with coach with a bare butt(ugh, you made me member that ass)

It's not exactly Strong Bad making out with modestly hot The Ugly One, remember. It's extremely buffed animated Strong Bad. Sure, it's the first instance of him making out with ''something'' (the piece of paper). But I think that the first instance of him making out with a real character or something would be more notable. Teen Girl Squad isn't real, since it is drawn and usually voiced completely by Strong Bad. He was making out with the paper to make his scene more "realistic." [[User: Teh_Frossty_One]]

== Accents ==

Possible goof - when one of the three scotsmen speaks (to say 'BAGH! Only 23 metres!), he's speaking with an irish accent.

What? I think that it's Scottish. Plus, corn is no place for a mighty warrior! --{{User:The 386/sig}} 23:40, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

:People do that often (try to do a Scottish accent and wind up Irish). What we hear here is only a rough approximation hinting at a vaguely British-Isles accent. But please see the definition of [[HRWiki:Standards#Goofs|a goof]] (also linked just a little way up the page). A goof is not when TBC fail to meet our expectations; it's when they fail to meet ''theirs''. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 00:56, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Oh, man! What would the accents mean? I am just concerned. --{{User:The 386/sig}} 15:51, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
:''Mean''? Um, are you being ironic? If so, I agree, it's not a big deal. If not... um, they don't "mean" anything. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:46, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

What the crud? Oh, if you said that I'm being ironic, then you're right, I am being ironic. --{{User:The 386/sig}} 22:33, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

==Special-Olympics Man?==

So... is the Olympics Man an amputee or what? I see no stick hands... -[[User:B|B]] 06:43, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Did you just say amputee? I think you're being ironic. But, yes, he's an amputee. --{{User:The 386/sig}} 13:25, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Not really sure how that question has anything to do with irony, but is that worth mentioning (probably as a note in the transcript), or is it too obvious? I'm thinking that since I had to ask, someone else will, too. -[[User:B|B]] 06:04, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Okay, it's become ''abundantly'' clear that it's going to be mentioned in one category. --{{User:The 386/sig}} 15:04, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, the third Scottish men has no hands, yet he is clearly able to hold his glass. Maybe the olympic man has really muscular hands, like him. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:09, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

What did you say? Oh, wait, you said that one of the Scots had muscled hands like the olympics man. --{{User:The 386/sig}} 15:22, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

:Yeah, maybe the Olympics guy's arm muscles are so ripped that they've enveloped his hands! Or made his wrists indiscernible, anyway. :) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 18:07, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, you're right, I'm just ironic. --{{User:The 386/sig}} 19:08, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

==Sweet DuffTeen?==
Why is Hilary Duff being insulted due to Sweet Someteen via Ugly One? (Sweet Sixteen reference) Also, there's MTV and Billy Idol feelin' down BECAUSE of that horrible reference/insult. RHRN
:I'm thinking "Sweet Someteen" is simply a way to avoid saying how old the girls are (something that's been hotly debated). Now, the part about Billy Idol feeling down: are you talking about something in the toon, or some bit of news I haven't heard? —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:06, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
::Billy Idol made a song called "Sweet Sixteen" as well. - Lord-z.

Ask ol' Tommy that question, seeing as HE put it in the Wikipedia, not me. Oh, and tell him I'm a Hilary Duff fan who thinks she's HAWT and shouldn't be insulted even by [[The Brothers Chaps]]. RHRN
: What does Hillary Duff have to do with ANY of this? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:23, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Hmm... she made a song called Sweet Sixteen describing EVERY DETAIL about being sixteen years old. The Brothers Chaps were likely to have collected the detail and reverse it for the effect of Sweet Someteen...and Jay is...ARROWED!!! RHRN the Jigglypuff
: "Sweet sixteen" is a common phrase; in fact, there is a song called "Happy Birthday Sweet Sixteen" that was written before Ms. Duff was even born. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:27, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

:And easy on the personal comments. If Miss Duff herself reported being offended by it, that would be fairly noteworthy; if TBC said in a commentary or interview they had her in mind it would be a solid connection—but if "Sweet Sixteen" is the only connection, there isn't much to go on. (And frankly, I doubt TBC would go out of their way to insult her; their references tend to be reserved for pre-1995 cultural phenomena, and are seldom truly ''insulting''.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:32, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
My personal comments can only be commented by [[User:Tom]]! TBC might've accidentally gotten the info from Hilary Duff. I'm not a doofus. By the way...Yami Yugi was AFTER 1995,scalawag! They had a reference to a deserted island which was 1997! RHRN the Jigglypuff
:Right. ''Tend''. By personal comments, I meant "arrowing" Jay. (Who's Tom?) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 20:57, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Tom is the creator of this Wikipedia! He is Exodia the Forbidden One incarnate! RHRN

:I think RHRN means [[User:Tom]]. And the word is "Wiki", not "Wikipedia". Wiki refers to a knowledge base anyone can edit, and [[Wikipedia:|Wikipedia]] refers to a giant online encyclopedia anyone can edit. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 22:01, 16 October 2005 (BST)

I was talking about how [[TBC]] are making fun of Hilary Duff with the Sweet Someteen reference to sweet sixteen. RHRN

:I'm not sure how else to say that I find it very unlikely. Unless whatever you mentioned about Billy Idol on Wikipedia (which as Venusy was saying, is a different website; we use the same software, but aren't really affiliated) has more proof, then I really don't think there's anything to be indignant about. Perhaps you could link to the Wikipedia article you have in mind? Otherwise, I think we can all agree that Hilary Duff's honor has been defended. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 21:11, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Are you sure? (He takes Gravity-Axe Grarl, the weapon, from his left pocket and pokes at all who respond) Don't make me get you...ARROWED II..ELECTRUC BOOGALOO!!!! [[RHRN]] the Jigglypuff.

Hilary Duff DID NOT invent the term sweet sixteen! It was around before she was born! There is absolutely no reason to believe that "Sweet Someteen" is a reference to the song. -[[User:Exhibit A|Exhibit A]]

:Exhibit A: I think we've covered the topic pretty thoroughly. Further discussion isn't really needed. RHRN: These Talk pages are for serious discussion of proposed changes to the wiki. Which we've now done. Any further, chat-type discussion is best on the [http://forum.hrwiki.org forum]. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 21:19, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Why don't we let Exhibit B take care of this! Sweet Sometten is possibly a reference to Hilary Duff and I won't give up until we defend her honour surely! RHRN the Jiugglypuff

:You're never required to "give up," RHRN. I can think of at least one sysop who was unhappy with a fact that was voted into existence; it's his right to still disagree with it. But what appears on the main pages is the result of majority agreement. In the meantime, I strongly suggest that you avoid what could sound like insults or challenging language to other users. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 21:30, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

:: *ACHOO!* Huh? What? Did someone say something about nickels and Family Guy? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 03:48, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

:::LOL; in tactful allusion, yes. It abides as a testimony to the deocratic functioning of a wiki, with its drawbacks, as well as appropriate ways to express unresolved disagreement without revert wars or sulking, OR "giving up." —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:21, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Gee...I summon Exhibit B in Attack Mode. It can't attack until I find out about the Sweet Someteen insult to Hilary Duff, even if it wasn't done on purpose. Unleash the proof! RHRN the Jigglypuff

:I still don't understand why it's an insult. A reference possibly, although at a severe stretch. It still stands that the phrase "Sweet Sixteen" was around long before Hillary Duff, and facts with features like this normally get voted down unanimously on [[HRWiki:STUFF|STUFF]]. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 22:30, 16 October 2005 (BST)

Exhibit B shall be equipped with Gravity Axe-Grarl! Give me more information, or I shall attack your Life Points directly! RHRN the Jigglypuff

:RHRN, please stick to serious discussion or move the discussion to the forum. And the burden of proof is on you; I suggest you either provide a link to the Wikipedia article you mentioned or some other supporting material, or end this discussion. Also, by the way: unless 1) Hillary Duff was actually offended, or 2) TBC meant to reference her, then the only person actually offended was ''you''. An unintended "insult" that Hillary Duff either never heard about or wasn't hurt by, therefore, is... well, nothing. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 21:48, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

And now...I sacrifice Exhibit B to Tribute Summon Final Verdict, Tom must now decide on this because he made this Wiki! Muahahahahahahaha RHRN the Jigglypuff
:There's no need to drag Tom into this. It's already been turned down by several other respected users, and I'm sure Tom would say the same things they did. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

:Actually, the Wiki community normally gives the verdict, normally with a [[HRWiki:Administrators|sysop]] just relaying back the results. And what do you have against Exhibit A and DorianGray? That ''could'' be considered a personal attack, which is something you could get blocked for. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 22:55, 16 October 2005 (BST)

:I'm no longer sure, RHRN, whether you're still seriously discussing or whether you're just editing for the fun of it. That's called trolling, and if I were a sysop you ''would'' be banned by now. It's time to find a different way to contribute to the wiki; maybe check out [[HRWiki:The Stick]]. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 22:00, 16 October 2005 (UTC)
:(After edit conflicts): Aand that didn't help. Since I can't block you, I will take the liberty of removing your offensive remark. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 22:01, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

I attack a random troll by using this AbdiViklas Upgrade Ritual! I offer all these responders and Final Verdict to Ritual Summon AbdiViklas Anti-Troll the Not-dNd Duffman!(ATK/Infinity DEF/Infinity) RHRN The Zerg Jigglypuff

Now...I shall wait...for Tom. RHRN

A few things: first, could you rationally explain why you assume that "Sweet Someteen" a reference to the Hilary Duff song, let alone an insult? If you want this fact in, at least try to make a case for it, instaed of just insisting that it's an insult and spamming stupid stuff about Yu-Gi-Oh. Second, Tom did not make the wiki [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] did. —[[User:Exhibit A|Exhibit A]] 22:31, 16 October 2005 (UTC)

Well...JoeyDay and Tom should be here (Looks at his clock) by now. RHRN

how is hilary duff's sweet sixteen song even linked to sweet someteen?
this is the dumbest conversation ever!-[[User:Timmy!]]

Well, it does sound familiar, but it is as easily doubtful as it is possible. Now, let's STUFF this. The message RHRN was trying to convey, before you guys attacked him unreasonably, was that his assumption seems possible with evidence. [[User:Yata-Garasu|Yata-Garasu]] 22:07, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

:What's STUFFable? "Sweet Sixteen" is a phrase from way, way back. Unless we have some proof that they were referring to her song, it's a stretch. As we don't, we must assume it's a play on a common phrase, which is not notable. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:10, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

::[[Wikipedia:Sweet Sixteen|Sweet Sixteen]] is everywhere! And [[Wikipedia:Sweet sixteen (birthday)|this one]] is most likely what they're referencing. And, I still don't see how it is an insult. Normally, references are compliments unless directly insulted. {{User:Bluebry muffin/sig}} 22:16, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

== Nick-at-Nite vs. Nick-at-Night ==
TGS10 references "Nick-at-Night" a misspelling of "Nick-at-Nite", which I think is worthy of a remark or a goof in the article. The current article corrects the spelling without mention of the mistake. -Komo
:You know, you're right! I've just noted it in the article. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:09, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
::Good job Komo, but in the future, feel free to change that yourself. {{User:Bubsty/sig}} 21:47, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

== Anorexic Girl squad? ==

The "let's get ready to eat NO FOOD!" comment might state that theyr'e anorexic, and not eating. sould I place a remark or explanation? --[[User:Benol|Coach B]] 20:38, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
: I don't think you should. Look at the food! It's a pile of corn. I wouldn't eat that. -{{User:Dantheburgerking/sig}}

:I think it's a reference to the fact that a lot of junior high and high school kids think it's not cool to eat lunch at school. At least, this happened in my school. Most of us would just get a roll and hang out in the courtyard. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 21:03, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
::No, you shouldn't mention it in the article. But I gotta say I was a little disturbed by it. We're really hitting the heavy subjects here; first teen pregnancy then peer-induced anorexia, then the unnerving age gap of Strong Bad (whatever his age is) and a someteen-year-old making out... (Note: the above mention of teen pregnancy is not intended to restart the amusingly earnest discussion of its putative scandal. Nor do I want to start such a debate about anorexia. But it did disturb me.) —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 02:26, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
:::Oh, Abdi. I like how you throw gasoline on the fire and then hope it doesn't explode. ;) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]
:For what it's worth, What's Her Face ''does'' consider eating something else later in the 'toon (though she doesn't get much of a chance due to spinning and being LATHE'd.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:30, 23 October 2005 (UTC)
::You know, the last time we ''actually'' saw them eating anything, they were MSG'd; maybe this is simply a reactive response. Though since then, So And So has expressed the willingness to accept a Lunchables or a juice box. Also, though we don't know whether they ate it or not, we ''do'' recall that day when lunch was a breadtangle of pizza, making this the second time their appetites have been thwarted by capriciously-themed school lunches contrary to the natural order of things. (It is What's Her Face who underscores that pizza belongs in a triangle—but, unless it had a soy-based imitation cheese topping, it is unlikely that she, as a vegan, would have eaten it in either shape.) In conclusion, between corn chips, corn-and-corn-alone, Lunchables with juice, and chocolate bars dipped in salt, it is safe to assume that a suitable foodstuff may be found for each of the Teen Girls, and we may tentatively ascribe their hunger strike to culinary imagination gone amok rather than to insecurities of image. —[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 05:51, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

==American vs. British==

Is it worthy of some reference that when the Scottsmen speak, '''meters''' is spelled '''metres''', the spelling in every other English-speaking country outside of the US? ~Isaac Smith
:Well, the Scotsmen are Scottish, I assume. Scotland is an English-speaking country outside the US, I believe. I'm guessing that's where it comes from. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

== Closed STUFF ==

{{stuffcloseddecline}}
=== Vowel Obstruction ===
{{stufffact|When Cheerleader and So And So took the vowels out of words, they left in '''Y''', which is sometimes considered a vowel.}}
{{stuffverdict|22:55, 13 October 2005 (UTC)|04:17, 25 October 2005 (UTC)|declined|21|9|Teen Girl Squad Issue 10}}

{{stuffclosedaccept}}
=== Free Comics, USA ===
{{stufffact|This is the first Teen Girl Squad issue to take us outside the paper and into the regular Homestar Runner universe.}}
{{stuffverdict|18:12, 12 October 2005 (UTC)|12:46, 19 October 2005 (UTC)|overwhelmingly accepted|24|6|Teen Girl Squad Issue 10}}

{{stuffcloseddecline}}
=== Electric Ozone ===
{{stufffact|"Arrow'd 2: Electric-" also alludes to Strong Bad's Ozone (from Breakin' and Breakin' 2: Electric Boogaloo) [[Halloween_Costumes#3_Times_Halloween_Funjob_.282003.29|costume]] in [[3 Times Halloween Funjob]].}}
{{stuffverdict|23:22, 10 October 2005 (UTC)|23:46, 12 October 2005 (UTC)|overwhelmingly declined|20|1|Teen Girl Squad Issue 10}}

{{stuffcloseddecline}}
=== Blue is a reference to the sky ===
{{stufffact|"Olympic Race" is a reference to Homestar's list on The Show.}}
{{stuffverdict|22:38, 10 October 2005 (UTC)|23:46, 12 October 2005 (UTC)|unanimously declined|22|0|Teen Girl Squad Issue 10}}

{{stuffcloseddecline}}
=== Different Voices ===
{{stufffact|This is the first time a voice beside Strong Bad's has been used in the comic (the coach's).}}
{{stuffverdict|01:08, 11 October 2005 (UTC)|05:39, 11 October 2005 (UTC)|unanimously declined (patently false)|10|0|Teen Girl Squad Issue 10}}

== ARROWED vs. ARROW'D ==

I corrected the spelling to ARROWED but was promptly reverted. Please don't revert a change without first researching it! Watch the toon and you will see that the page says "ARROWED II". — [[User:Bill|Bill]] 22:09, 30 November 2005 (UTC)
:Nice catch. I guess you proved how sometimes we jump too fast to conclusions, eh? The funny thing is we even have it spelt ARROWED II on the [[Arrow'd Guy]] page. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]

::Well, with all the crap you guys must have to revert every day, a bit of gun-jumping now and then is certainly understandable — especially since I'm new and haven't established a reputation as a trustworthy editor yet. And it doesn't help matters that we're stuck with the "official" inconsistency of ARROWED! vs. Arrow'd Guy. — [[User:Bill|Bill]] 03:42, 1 December 2005 (UTC)

:::Or the fact that such things are usually spelled with a "'d" rather than an "ed" in TGS (for example, "MSG'd!" or "CEREBELLUM'd!"). "Arrowed" is kind of an anomaly in that respect, but it is how it was spelled in TGS. --[[User:Shippinator Mandy|Shippinator Mandy]] 22:08, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

== Strong... Bad...? ==

Near the end, I think Strong Mad and Strong Sad say "Strong..." "Bad...?" instead of "Uh..."s. Anyone agree with me on this? [[User:Kiyobi|Kiyobi]] 02:03, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
: I don't think so. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:17, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure that it's at least not an "Uh..." coming from Strong Sad. Listen to it a couple of times, it might get to you. Or not. -[[User:Kiyobi|Kiyobi]] 02:38, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
:I already did. It doesn't sound a thing like "Bad". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 03:10, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
Really? Well, nobody's perfect, I guess. I still think he's saying "Bad?" -[[User:Kiyobi|Kiyobi]] 06:17, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
:Well, I'm Nobody. And I'm pretty sure they aren't using the consonants necessary to form the words "Strong" or "Bad". Nobody, aka {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 06:20, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

== Increased workload ==

In the DVD commentary, the brothers mention that this episode took roughly 80% longer to animate than the others due to the higher framerate (20 fps instead of the normal 12 fps). But, all things being equal, and extra 8 fps would amount to only about a 67% increase in work. (e.g., A cartoon that takes 60 minutes to make at 12 fps would take 100 minutes at 20 fps.) Maybe the extra 13% of the time went to colorization. <small>''(The preceding comment was originally posted as a fun fact by {{user|66.220.96.135}}.)''</small>

== Mighty Warrior ==

I don't get the mighty warrior... and I can't find out what it means? What's the meaning or the joke there?
: TGS is quite random; probably not a reference. [[User:Blendage|Blendage]] 16:17, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

== Or something like that ==

In the manoleo easter egg at the end, Manoleo talks alot like Strong Bad does when he's doing an e-mail, at least as far as interjecting "or something like that" as I recall Strong Bad occasionally doing. Maybe this could be a Remark?

(Side note: grrr the HRWiki CAPCHA sucks)
--[[User:64.195.243.2|64.195.243.2]] 06:12, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

:Well, Strong Bad is doing the voice, so it's really not remarkable that it sounds like him. (Side note: mass vandalism sucks worse.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:15, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

== Scooby Doo reference... ==

I tried putting this under "Real World References" a couple times, and it was deleted... I don't know why, because it's obvious! The Ugly One's "new look" is exactly like Velma's new look in "Scooby Doo 2". Same hair, same outfit.
:Right, and it's not even a ''little'' bit like ''She's All That'' (see also above). — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 14:15, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

What're you talking about? Velma wore a sweater and a seperate skirt: at her sweet someteen birthday bash, The Ugly One wore a one piece party dress. Velma wore plain plastic rimmed glasses: The Ugly One wore thin horn-rimmed. Velma had what looked like bowl haircut, while The Ugly One had straight shoulder-length hair. Where can I get the stuff you're smoking?--[[User:Saxonjf|Saxon the Deutschmaster]] 05:13, 19 October 2006 (UTC) 
:I think he's referring to something with the live-action movies. Specifically, the second one. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]
::A few images of the new hot Velma: (It doesn't show, but I think I remember her wearing pants in the film)
::http://www.nonsporttradingcards.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/SD2-PW12.gif http://www.themoviemark.com/images/scooby_velma.gif
::And of The Hotgly One:
::[[Image:Modestly hot the ugly one.png|300px]]
::Also note: Red leather is considered sexy and was worn by name other people in order to look hot. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 11:09, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
:::I don't know much about STUFF, but can I STUFF this or not? - {{User:Flamer8965/sig}} 23:46, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
::::I don't see a good reason to do so. It's been demonstrated above that there are other things to which it more likely refers (if any), and the Scooby Doo similarity is not that strong. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:11, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

== Get in on like Diddy Kong ==

I keep getting the feeling that the line is a play on the line "Get it on like Donkey Kong" from the country song Honky Tonk Ba Donk-A-Donk. Which, mind you, I hate if only for the fact that the song was terrible AND I can't get the horrid tune or lyrics out of my head, BUT! I thought it would be of interest to point it out. *shrug* Possible Real-World reference?
: It's been said outside of that song before. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 23:27, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
::Where? --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 15:04, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

== Did they just call the big mouth guy Mr. Pitters??? ==

in the DVD commentary, they apparently call the big-mouth guy Mr. Pitters. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 23:37, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

== Bowser ==

A while back, I remember changing this page to read that Bowser does not appear in a TRADITIONAL game for the black-and-white Game Boy (it originally said he did not appear in ANY game for it), because he appears in Game and Watch Gallery. Now that I think about it, since that's the case, should the fun fact remain at all?

:Yes, because in the Game & Watch games there's no way he'd be "on the ropes". [[User:ComputerBox|ComputerBox]] 13:53, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
::I think there should be an addition to the fun fact referencing [[Wikipedia:Super Mario Bros.#Super Mario Bros. Deluxe|Super Mario Bros. Deluxe]]. {{User:Neox/sig}} 19:25, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

:''Bowser never appeared in any games for the original Game Boy.''
:''Bowser appeared in very few games for the original Game Boy, and even fewer where the player could be said to have him "on the ropes"; however, one example is Yoshi's Cookie, where he is the most difficult computer opponent.''
The two italicized sentences above are different ways this item has been worded. If the first is true, then this is probably notable. If it's the second, then it's not. (As long as there's one game where Bowser could be said to be on the ropes, then Tompkins is simply playing ''that'' game.) So what's the real scoop? — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:46, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

== Crinkly Paper ==
While I realize that they're using a jpeg of paper for the background, is it still possible that it's a reference? And even if it's not, it is still noteworthy, yes? {{User:Ten Ten/sig}} 01:57, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
:Possible, yes. Likely... well, not as much. Noteworthy? Meh, seems like a stretch to me. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:47, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

== Old and Busted References? ==
How is "New hotness" not listed as a reference to Men in Black 2? A part of the quote from Jay is (the whole thins isn't G appropriate) "Old and busted, new hotness." Since "New hotness" isn't exactly a common phrase (definately not in this context) I figure that's a reference. It's not the first movie reference in this toon. I guess this is old, but should this be added/disscussed/STUFF'd? --Barakku
:Hmm, I'd never noticed that before. The context isn't the same, but it might be a good catch. Google returns 197,000 sites for "new hotness". Not sure how many are MIB or HR related. [[User:So makey outy|So makey outy]] 05:00, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

== 3d? ==

um, this doesn't look 3d to me. -dr savage
:The scene where they spin around while saying "so good". {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:41, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
::I guess it looks kind of 3d -dr savage

== Possible real world reference? ==

When Cheerleader says "we'll be there like shareware" the very first thing that pops into my mind is the old Windows 95 character "Spy Fox" whose catchphrase was "I'm in there like swimware." Reference or coincidence?
:"We'll be there like shareware" sounds like some sort of nonsensical saying to me. There's a very slim chance that the Chapman Brothers were actually referencing something by saying that, to be honest. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 22:34, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
::[[Wikipedia:Shareware|Shareware]]. It's already on the page. I think this is all that they are referencing. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:51, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

== Overlooked goof? ==

Seems a bit late on the discussion, but upon getting this yet again from random browsing and watching closely, I noticed that when Strong Bad is talking with The Ugly One, on the paper is written "'''your'e''' looking so makey outey tonight". How did people miss that? --[[User:Zoen|Zoen]] 03:44, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

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Zoen — Sun, 19 Dec 2010 22:49:31 GMT

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== So... ==

Meh, figured I'd do this. (note that this obviously isn't required) Just a few questions I thought I'd ask:
#What is your favorite email(s) and/or toon(s), if any?
#Who is your favorite H*R character, or characters, if any?
#Do you have any other particular interests in H*R.com or the H*R wiki, and if so, name some.
[[User:LikeLakers2|LikeLakers2]] 20:52, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
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# Since there are so many it's difficult to choose just one, so a few of my favorites tend to be the outright silly ones that tend to not make much sense on the first and possibly subsequent views like the SBemails funny and virus, to things that are funny just because of their content, like jibblies 2.
# First place: Strong Bad. Second place:The Cheat. Third place: Homestar Runner just because he seems to be the target of a lot of humorous jokes.
# I figured that registering for an account would help me participate in Wiki discussions involving goofs and glitches within flash files. I've made two contributions to the wiki in the past under no account name, watched as the change was immediately reversed, and then brought back a few hours or days later in a revised state. So I figure it'd likely be better and easier if I brought them up in discussions and let someone else word them better.
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Talk:A Decemberween Mackerel

Zoen — Sun, 19 Dec 2010 10:10:06 GMT

Zoen: /* Toyota Cressida */

== Hallelujah! Hallelujah! ==

After who knows how long, we finally get a toon! This truly is a D-Ween Mackerel!
On to Bweeze-Ness. Here are some things I have noticed.
*On the Main Page it says "New Holiday Toon", and when hovered over it says "For real!"
*When Cardgage is "revived" he makes the same shine and noise as when "Eh, Steve!'s mouth exploded the universe" in Cactus Coffee and the No Tell Hotel"
*Non specific mouthwash and the guy who says I'm going to need you to sign this makes fun of people being sued for using product names.
*Marzipan and Homestar both sung a modified version of O, Decemberween.
*Strong Sad being locked in the tub is a reference to other D-Ween toons.
*This toon constantly references Cardgage's death. And hints at Homsar's
*When Marzipan and Homestar are walking at the beginning, Homestar has footsteps and Marzi is leaving a solid trail, again hinting she is just a mass in a dress shape
*When Cardgage comes out of the bush, he makes the same traffic noise as in his FBI warning and Hremail 3184
*Coach Z is wearing a Blubb-Os box.
*The Bubs scene could be an instance of duplicate characters.
*Homeschool winner, Preshy, Rafferdy, Champeen, The Hurricane and another mass I can't identify at the end of the line are all in the bubs scence
*The Defib unit was previously seen in the Breakfast cereal email
*This is an toon not only in widescreen but it is big altogether even bigger than the games menu(I personally can't fit it on my screen VERTICALLY entirely)

Just things I konticed.
--[[User:Geonightman|Geonightman]] 23:50, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
:You should add those to the fun facts section of the article. (I could, but then you wouldn't be credited in the history.) If you're worried about formatting, don't be. Someone will fix it for you. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:54, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
::If you can't fit it onto your screen, press F11 (at least in IE) to view full screen. F11 again will shrink it back. Or you can view the Flash file which will automatically fit to your browser. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 00:39, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Oh shoot. I put in the part about the people in line. Sorry! I didn't know. You can do the rest of them. {{User:Wasd98/sig}} 02:58, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

I am just so happy we finally have a toon again! I have been checking the website everyday for so long hoping to see one. This brightened my day!

== The end of the line ==

Who is that guy at the end of the line before Marzipan? I have no idea. {{User:Wasd98/sig}} 02:57, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:I think it's that girl from a DVD extra.--{{User:Record307/sig}} 03:14, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
::That'd be three [[Unguraits]] standing on each others head. The fun facts already got it. {{User:StrongAwesome74/sig}} 03:19, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

== Marzipan's Voice ==

I know the sound quality is better, but does Marzipan's voice sound a little different to you guys? I don't know, it sounds more refined, for lack of a better word, maybe it's just been so long I forgot what she sounded like. I understand the sound quality is better for this one, but I don't think that has too much to do with it --[[User:The Swedish Ace|The Swedish Ace]] 03:22, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:Yes, it's different. I can't describe it either. It was different in [[DNA Evidence]] too.. according to Matt in the DVD commentary, "You can tell Melissa's got a cold here. She's a little snotty." Don't think it's the same thing here, though. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 03:42, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:: Maybe it's just the result of how long it's been since the last toon? [[Special:Contributions/99.239.23.76|99.239.23.76]] 03:06, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

== Video Lag During the End? ==

Anybody else have the video studder/lose synch during the end of the cartoon? I've played it about 3 times, and it does it at the same part every single time.

== High horse ==

I think "We Come Down Off Our High Horse!" in the HTML title isn't referring to Homestar's line but rather to the Chaps themselves. They're jokingly saying they've stopped doing whatever they're doing these days long enough to make a new toon. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 04:05, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:You know, I was actually thinking the exact same thing. I didn't want to bring it to the talk because it was a very fleeting suggestion, and I interpreted it to refer to Marzipan's line instead of Homestar's. However, if there's no more verification of this, we don't really have any means of professionally adding this to the article. If we're taking a double <strike>rainbow</strike> meaning out of this page title, we need to be absolutely ''sure'' that this indeed ''is'' a double meaning. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 04:09, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

: I agree with Dot com here. It wouldn't be the first time they've acknowledged a long break between toons, and it was also something that definitely crossed my mind when I read it the first time. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 04:16, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

:: Makes sense to me. {{User:Salty/sig}} 04:26, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

== Screen size ==

Is there a way of watching this toon without having to scroll? Not the Flash file, the HTML toon. {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 05:09, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:You could do any of the following:
:#Get Firefox, get Greasemonkey, then get [[User:Phlip/Greasemonkey|Phlip's All-in-one script]], which includes a feature to automagically make the toon the size of you screen.
:#Press F11 to make your browser go fullscreen (this is standard across all browsers).
:#Increase the resolution of your screen by going to control panel and then under Appearance and Personalization there should be a link that says "Adjust Screen Resolution" (at least that's on Vista, might be slightly different in 7 and probably similar in OS X).
:#Buy a bigger monitor/better video card.
:--{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 05:18, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

:You could also lower the font-size (Cmd minus or Ctrl minus), that's what I did. --[[User:Hatkirby|Hatkirby]] 11:34, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:If you have Firefox, I suspect [https://addons.mozilla.org/af/firefox/addon/1696/ this add-on] will downsize any too-large 'toons as well as embiggening the small ones. [[User:Octan|Octan]] 00:36, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

You could also zoom out. In IE and Firefox go to "View" on the menu, then zoom. [[User:Perducci|Perducci]]
:In '''all''' modern browsers, Ctrl-Scroll Wheel. And don't forget xrandr for 'Nix users! — {{User:Fotoshop/sig}} 01:32, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

==Sports==

When Marzipan said "Senor Cardgage won first place in sports" it reminded me of the reporter in Coach Z's 110% that said "Homestar Runner, you just won the sports". So now I'm wondering if there's any other time the term "sports" is used in place of an actual sport, and if not, if this seems notable in any way at all.

Oh yeah also when Coach Z pops out of the snow before Cardgage appears there's a line in the snow where he came out that disappears before the scene zooms in.--[[User:Topmonhit|Topmonhit]] 05:33, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

==Rejected Characters==
[[File:MackeralRejectedCharacters.png|thumb|A line for the holidays]]
Can we get a shot of the rejected characters. It only lasts for like three seconds. [[User:StarFox|StarFox]] 20:15, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
:There it is. Do as you will with it. That'll be $250. {{User:OptimisticFool/sig}} 06:57, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
::Let's put it in the article next to the fun fact about it. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:18, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

==Cardgage's Dialogue==

Cardgage usually calls people women's names, but here, he doesn't say any female names at all; in fact, he uses a MALE name at one point. Did anyone else notice this? I put this in Remarks. --[[User:Raddaluigi|Raddaluigi]] 23:12, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

== Fake vomit ==

The transcription says Homestar throws up when he says "puke". But to me it looked like they were trying to get across that it was imaginary vomit, because it's just a dotted white outline. Thoughts? - Your imaginary pal, [[User:Octan|Octan]] 00:30, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
:I agree. Watching it frame by frame, it definitely looks pretend. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:49, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
::I was kinda wondering why the vomit was a dotted line and clear. Maybe that is it.{{User:The McArby/Sig}} 00:54, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
:::I sorta figured the puke was supposed to look Christmas-y. Anyone? {{User:Homestar-Winner/sig}} 01:30, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Maybe he puked snow? [[User:StarFox|StarFox]] 03:02, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::Maybe a reference to Epic Yarn, which uses that art style. You know how the Chaps love Nintendo. --[[User:Raddaluigi|Raddaluigi]] 05:23, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

== Bubses? ==

In the rejected characters scene, Homeschool Winner is seen conversing with Bubs. Three seconds later, we pan to Homestar talking to Bubs a few feet away. Does this count as a case of [[Duplicate Characters]]?--[[User:Jellote|Jellote]] [[User talk:Jellote|wuz]] [[Special:Contributions/Jellote|here]] 20:56, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
:Technically no. Since Bubs wasn't moving at all when he was in the stand, I think the "Bubs" you see is actually a cardboard cutout. {{User:MichaelXX2/sig}} 17:03, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
::Except he ''is'' moving. He's waving his arms. I'll grant that I still think it's a fake Bubs of some sort (or that he can run really fast?), but we shouldn't just dismiss the duplicate characters thing without a discussion. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:16, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
:::From frame 2735 to frame 2743 you can see Bubs standing next to Homestar while you can still very faintly hear the other Bubs continuing to talk about sales, proving that there were two different Bubses there that night. {{User:Homestar-Winner/sig}} 17:40, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
::::I removed it from the Fun Facts list on grounds that they don't appear onscreen at the same time (see also [[No Hands on Deck!]]). --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:18, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

== My left arm is disappearing, Miss America ==

I posted a fun fact saying that Senor Cardgage's left arm disappears after he rises from the bush. [[User:The Knights Who Say Ni|The Knights Who Say Ni]] reverted it. If you watch the bush closely, ''something'' red is behind it as he's rising up, but the moment he stops, it disappears. I figured it's his left hand/glove. If anyone out there has Greasemonkey and can verify this, I'd be much obliged. Bottom line, though: something weird happens after he rises up. I see it, clear as Halloween Night.--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 07:45, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
: I see it. What's really funny: on the same frame his left hand disappears, a spot of his right hand ''appears'' from behind the bush. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 10:28, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
::Bobo the King - I was wrong to revert you, and i apologize. I didn't know what to look for, so i wasn't looking early enough. hope my clarifying revision works for you. Jay - for some reason, my right click menu isn't working, so i am unable to watch this by frames. once that gets fixed, i'll be able to see what you're talking about more clearly. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 14:47, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
::: If you have Firefox, the Greasemonkey script helps a lot for frame-by-frame comparisons. :) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:35, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
:::No worries, Knights. I've made more than my share of mistakes in editing and it's not as though any damage was done-- this is a Wiki, after all. I just wanted to throw it on the talk page since it seemed my version of the fun fact was unclear. No harm done, and apology graciously accepted!--[[User:Bobo the King|Bobo the King]] 22:40, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
::::Jay - yes i use firefox, but i don't have that script. normally i can just right click and stop the action and watch it by frames that way. something tells me that if i manually crash firefox, the problem will fix itself, but at the same time, i'm always hesitant to do that. incidentally, for [http://www.hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=HomestarRunner.com_PAY_PLUS!&diff=prev&oldid=711854 this edit summary], i went in and actually counted each individual frame. (it was only seven seconds at 12 fps; i figure it wouldn't take all that long) i figure since i hardly ever need to know frame numbers, downloading that script isn't all that urgent at the present time. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 23:00, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::what do you know, right click menu magically works again! and i didn't have to crash the browser or anything. anyway, Jay - wow, that's interesting. could a decompiler take out the bush? that would be crazy to watch... {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 02:33, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

== Marzipan's transition lines ==

I extracted the file of Marzipan's lines right before a couple of the transitions. Listen here: [[Media:A Decemberween Mackerel Marzipan.mp3|A Decemberween Mackerel Marzipan.mp3]]. I think her first line is "Move it on," not "Movin' on." I also hear no "r" in "Peeow." (Interestingly, there's an unused "Yoink" in there too.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:59, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
:The "Peeow" bit I'll buy, but I definitely hear "Movin' On." If I really try, I can sorta kinda hear an "it", but barely. {{User:StrongAwesome74/sig}} 19:57, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
:Yeah, that doesn't sound like Move it on. {{User:The McArby/Sig}} 16:10, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

== Photo caption ==

Per the suggestion of It's dot com I'm taking this discussion here. The caption for the photo on the page is much, much too long and doesn't really fit the picture. We try to avoid unnecessarily lengthy captions here and this is one of them. Not to mention the fact that it really isn't funny, either. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|That guy that slayed some Kerrek]]. 06:08, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:The caption for the photo on the page is not too long at all. It fits the picture very well, much better in fact than the other one. We don't try to avoid unnecessarily lengthy captions. It's especially funny, in part because of its length. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 06:13, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
::I'm largely ambivalent, but if required to make the choice, I'd go with DC's because, whatever anyone else may say, I do find it marginally funnier than the other. Also because I actually agree that it actually does fit the picture better than the other (for the "keep slogging" quote to fit well, Marzipan would need to have her angry look). I do grant that it's pretty long, but really, I don't know that we have any particular precedent against long quotes. Still, I'm not going to get too involved in this. I think caption wars are kind of a waste of time, anyway. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 14:49, 18 December 2010 (UTC)
:::Easy there, German Homestar, let's not call this a "caption war". I've seen plenty of lengthy captions get cut back, and seven lines of space below a photo for something that quite frankly isn't funny is a little too much. There's gotta be a better way. --[[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|That guy that slayed some Kerrek]]. 07:48, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
::::"Caption war" = just a term for an edit war over captions, so I think it describes the situation well. As for the dispute, unfortunately, part of this is just plain subjective: whether that line is funny. You say it is not, Dot com says it is. No real objective answer to that dispute. For my part, I find it funny, though not exceedingly so. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 09:26, 19 December 2010 (UTC)
:::::I find the extra-long caption funny. It was probably the first (of many) things that made me laugh in the toon. Additionally, extra-long captions are funny in and of themselves (see also [[Compy Catalog]]). But, objectively, who said the caption even needs to be funny? Can't it just be a caption? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 09:31, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

== Toyota Cressida ==

In the Transcript section, at one point, Senor Cardgage is said to say this:
'''SENOR CARDGAGE:''' {moans} Oh, my Toyota Cressida... {Cardgage falls down}
But what if what he's actually saying is, "My Toyota crashed."? I think this makes sense because he could be using "Toyota" to refer to one of his organs, and saying it "crashed" would be kind of like it failing. And also because of the recent issue with Toyota vehicles and their brakes failing, causing them to crash. Though that may be too sensitive of a joke for an online show like this to make, especially so soon. Still, I think it's plausible that he could've said either one.
:Does anyone else notice that when Cardgage speaks at this point, his hair darkens? - [[User:Zoen|Zoen]] 10:10, 19 December 2010 (UTC)

== Hello, Chi Minh? ==
Upon listening, couldn't it have been "Hello, G-Man"? After all, said character from the Half-Life series has a habit of appearing and disappearing, and Cardgage has just emerged from a ridiculously tiny bush.

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