HRWiki talk:Logo redesign 2006

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Based on the above discussion, it seems clear that there is enough dissatisfaction with the World concept (both the full world and blended versions) from enough users to exclude it from the running. Just about everybody would be satisfied with one of the Current Updateds, so we need to focus on narrowing our choice to one of those.

I would be satisfied with any of the updated versions, although I'm still leaning toward version B, and would like to hear if anyone has a specific reason to choose one of them before I make up my mind (for example, maybe one looks more professional). — It's dot com 05:01, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I like Current Updated C best. It looks good and seems to be a good combination of features that most people like. Loafing 04:45, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Loafing, Current Updated C seems to have the characteristics most users want. - Austio talk 06:00, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Current Updated B is my favorite; as Thunderbird once said, Homestar just looks more intelligent with his mouth closed. And the guy needs all the help he can get ;) I could live with numba C though. Trey56 07:47, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Currented Updated B - the C version's kamikaze lines do not look very straight with his mouth open. The other one covers it up better.-- »Bleed0range« 07:59, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Current Updated C. Homestar doesn't need to look "intelligent"... He's Homestar! The mouth open-nes give him a smiling look that is welcome and greeting to new people visitng the site. It's optimistic and I like it. — Elcool ^(talk)_(contribs) 09:58, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I lean C, although I could live with B, too. Heimstern Läufer 15:48, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm perfectly happy with any of them I think at this point, but I'd go B,A,C if I had to choose, but much like in Pumpkin Carve-nival there is no clear winner. - Ilko Skevüld's Teh C 16:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Current Updated C, I absolutely love it. But, I still kinda like the blur. WAIT, IS THE LOGO GOING TO CHANGE ON THE WIKI FORUMS TOO?--Theyellowdart 16:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

No, the logo on the forum is different, and there would have to be discussion at the forum among the forum users if they wanted to change it. Trey56 17:03, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I has an idea. Many are saying, "I like B (or C), but I wouldn't mind C (or B)." And it's pretty evenly split between the two as far as first choices go. So why don't we try both for a week? I can set it up so that the first thirty minutes of the hour, we see version B. Then for the final thirty minutes of the hour, we see version C. After a week, if there are strong feelings for keeping one or the other, then we can choose one of them. Or, if we want, we can keep them alternating. (Someone further up the page mentioned rotating several differnt logos, and the idea was nixed, but I think my idea is different from that. These two logos are so close to each other in design that it wouldn't be too jarring for Homestar to be serious part of the time and smiling later. And the extremely slow rate at which they alternate would prevent it from being annoying.) — It's dot com 17:51, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

That sounds fine — as it stands, I think we're going to have to have a large sample size of users to get consensus here one way or another, which could take a while. Trey56 18:04, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Part of the random discussion involved the statement from someone that they did not think it was possible. Using php technology it would not be hard at all to randomly select one or the other. In my own website, look at the top header. Two random images are pulled each time a page is loaded. Note the source code so to see how. Other instructions are also available. I R F 18:17, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Er, nobody ever said it wasn't possible. In fact, the first thing I said was, "That's certainly possible." I already have the code ready to do this. — It's dot com 18:33, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

That... is a great idea. I think we should just rotate B & C back and forth. It would probably take people awhile to figure out how it works. Like, when will his mouth be open, when will it not. I love that idea. I say we go with that. (I guess I had one more thing to add to this discussion afterall even though I thought it was pretty much over.)-- »Bleed0range« 19:25, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm with Current Updated C, because now that I think about it (and see them side by side), I don't really care for the blurred background. The open mouth and blinking eyes are my favorite elements. — ^Sam_{Fisher (Come in, Lambert.)} 15:32, 1 December 2006

I was the one who was so strongly opposed to rotating the logo. However, alternating between B and C is something I could live with. Many people might not even notice that it changes. On a side note, B was originally proposed by Bleedy back in the day, but was somehow forgotten when we moved the discussion from the Basement ([1] and [2]). I do have to say that I like Homestar's glow on these two much better. I also like that these two have no glow around the text (you know, just some details for your consideration). Loafing 20:42, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Rotating between the two would be an egg in of itself. I agree, some user might not ever notice. I R F 21:04, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Just to clarify, I am not today suggesting that we permanently have an alternating logo. All I'm saying is that I believe the time has come to implement one of the designs above. Since quite a few people would be okay with either B or C and only slightly favor one over the other (and there's no overwhelming consensus for either one), my idea is that we should just choose both for a short time and see how it goes. Like, not talk about it for a week, and then once the week is up, find out what people think then. If, at that time, everyone says, "I've had time to really see it and think about it, and I think B (or C) is way better than C (or B), and we should just choose one," then we would pick one and go with it. On the other hand, if nearly everyone says, "Wow, the alternating aspect of the logo is super-cool; they should continue alternating," then of course we could do that too. — It's dot com 21:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I think a week away with the two finalists alternating is a great idea. They're both representitive of the Wiki, and now its mostly just a matter of what reactions are invoked by the new options with the general public. I second tabling this discussion for the durration of one week, to alow for live testing of the two potential new logos. - Ilko Skevüld's Teh C 23:10, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I vote Current C, though I like B too. Really this is just a not A vote (for reasons of blur). —AbdiViklas 21:56, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I think that the alternating idea for one week is good, but I'd really just like to see version C. Of course, permanant alternating would be cool, but it would be confusing to new users. Perhaps, if we did that, we could put the answer in the FAQ. Do what you must do, Dot Com; it looks like people could live with any of the options at this point. -Brightstar Shiner 22:14, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I like B and C...they're both really great (especially C), and I like the idea of keeping them each up for a week or so. But somebody should probably PNGcrush them. (it will be the most downloaded image on the site) - The Joe^(Talk) 22:50, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I think C just owns the rest. --Theyellowdart 00:05, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I got my little sister (she's five) to decide on which one she likes the best and she chose A. How cute, huh? --Theyellowdart 00:47, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

To me Current C has this in the bag. There are like 7 votes to C and about 4 votes to B- Austio talk 09:11, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

If I ruled the wiki... Current C, ditch the blink. Current B is a close second (no blink) —BryanCTC.

I like C. He just looks happier. I like A too, but that doesn't look like it's going to happen. —Shwoo 10:30, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

What's wrong with a blink every 15 or so seconds? --Theyellowdart 17:31, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

There is nothing wrong with it per se, but to me it comes off as an ameteurish just-because-we-can use of technology. And it violates good design. If we were designing an embedded ad, then yes we would want to use such a subtle device, but for a logo — every 15 seconds the logo will draw the attention of the viewers eye up to the logo in the corner — why? It does not serve the function needed by a logo. —BryanCTC 18:27, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Whatev :P --Theyellowdart 18:29, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, I would have to say C, because he looks fat in all of the other logos. Even though it would be cool if, the logo alternated between b and c, like flash. It would for some amount of seconds be one, and then it would flash to another.--H*Bad 19:20, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I vote Not A, because the blur is a bit distracting and it really looks bad. Personnally I'd prefer C, but I like the idea of rotating. -- Super Martyo boing! 19:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I guess C wins, seeing as it's up there right now. Salty^Talk! 20:34, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

No, that's only partially correct. Read the above discussion. — It's dot com 20:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I slowed the alternating to once every 60 minutes. — It's dot com 22:25, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

After The Test

Current Updated B and C have now been implemented, and we took a break from discussion for a week. During that time, we were to think about which logo we like better (if you want to see how the other one looks, it will switch within the hour), and also to consider whether we might want the two logos to alternate permanently. If you have a strong opinion, it would be helpful for you to (briefly) state why you feel that way.

• I'm for Current Updated C --_{NERD42  email  talk   h²g²  pedia  uncyc}  18:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

  Oh wait, on second tought, make 'em alternate permanently. Hey why not. --_{NERD42  email  talk   h²g²  pedia  uncyc}  18:35, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

• I am staring at C now in the corner of the wiki, and I like it the best. It makes me happy. Geez, I wonder if Homestar will ever get tired of smiling that big... anyway, I vote C all the way, baby!! --TheYellowDart—(t/c) 07:27, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

  I really like the blink. I like the smile. But what we could do is this... show Homestar on the logo as he is on B, and after about 15 seconds have him animate into a smile. That'd be tight. --TheYellowDart—(t/c)

  Not to be rude but, come on C has twice as many votes as B it's clearly the winner. - Austio talk 21:15, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

  Um, it's been what, fourteen hours? Give it time. We barely have 10 votes. — Lapper (talk) 21:17, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

  Flamer, are you talking to me? Uh, bub, I like C better, I was just suggesting that we could use an animated logo. JEEZ!!! --TheYellowDart—(t/c)

  Reminder: This is not a vote per se. It's a discussion to reach consensus. We are trying to figure out what we can all live with (or as close as possible), not just a simple majority. Also, the absolute most we would do in the way of animation is the blink. — It's dot com 21:48, 9 December 2006 (UTC)

• I concur! Best place! Ding! Or maybe there's only so far you can stretch a quote. What I mean to say is, I still like C a lot better than B. —Shwoo 09:49, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
• I'm for B or alternating permanently. Trey56 13:53, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
• alternating works for me, but I actually did find the blink distracting occassionally but I can certainly live with it. I R F 14:13, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
• Still like B better, but alternating works as well. I concur with IRF, the blink did distract/"get to" me from time to time. - Ilko Skevüld's Teh C 14:40, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
• I am pretty much still split evenly between the two, and I like the blink (I don't find it distracting). — It's dot com 17:06, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
• 1-2-3 C-C-C - Austio talk 18:32, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
• I say alternating. — Lapper (talk) 21:17, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
• I vote B. Bluebry 21:19, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
• I don't really like the idea of alternating. I really think it should only be one logo. As for which one: C is my first choice, but B is great, too. Oh, and I do prefer no blink. Heimstern Läufer 21:59, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
• I still really like C. No blink, no alternating. Just your daily dose of Vitamin C...or something. -Brightstar Shiner 22:01, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
• I am all for alternating. But make it every 30 minutes.--H*Bad 22:11, 9 December 2006 (UTC)