Editing HRWiki talk:STUFF'd Project Activities Control League

== By-Laws ==
The full list will be forthcoming.  Please add ideas if you have them.
===Proposed By-Laws===

== Officers ==
Committee Chair: [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]]<br>
Vice-Chair: <Vacant>

== Membership ==
All registered members are eligiable to join, but may be barred for misconduct.  Simply add your name to the list, plus date of joining.

===Roster===
[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 10 May 2005<br>

== Comments, etc. ==

Umm... Is this sanctioned by [[User:Tom|Tom]] or [[User:JoeyDay|Joey Day]]? Also, you meantioned that this commitee was formed on May 20th, 2005. Likely a typo? ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔</font>]][[User:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>Thunderbird</font>]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔</font>]]</tt>'' 00:58, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
:<s>I'll join if it was approved. If not, then...well, the page will be deleted by an admin. --[[User:acekirby13|<font color=green>acekirby13</font color>]]|<sup>[[User talk:acekirby13|<font color=green>My Talk</font color>]]</sup>  18:24, 14 May 2005 (UTC)</s>

Are you sure that this fits the title? I mean, "''Lobby those with power ([[Special:Listadmins|listed here]]) to get rid of [[HRWiki:WikiTroll|WikiTrolls]]''" seems a bit more than what this page is about, and then this ("''Lobby for the creation of a perminent Fun Fact Validation Committee with sysop powers.''") shows that this isn't the committee, this is the committee forming committee! The entire [[HRWiki:STUFF'd Project Activities Control League#Core Beliefs and Goals|core beliefs and goals]] section is questionable, meaning the entire page (and the talk page, apart from the comments section) is questionable! Also, I think you mean '''10'''th May 2005, not 20th. --[[User:Venusy|<font face="Joystix">Venusy</font>]] <sub><tt>([[User talk:Venusy|Talk]])([[Special:Contributions/Venusy|Contributions]])</tt></sub>, 20:43, 14 May 2005 (BST)
:Whoa, I didn't see that. I don't think that lobbying for sysop powers is wise. I'ma think I'll stay away from this one. --[[User:acekirby13|<font color=green>acekirby13</font color>]]|<sup>[[User talk:acekirby13|<font color=green>My Talk</font color>]]</sup>  19:54, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

:Okay, I think this is going a bit far. The Real Zajac asked Joey Day if there could be a committee to monitor the STUFF page, and he said okay. A committee to monitor STUFF (remove old facts, etc.) sounds fine to me too. That... is not this. For one thing, why does there need to be a "fun facts validation committee" with sysop powers? Right now we have the fun facts evaluated by the whole Wiki community, which is far more in line with the spirit of a Wiki than one committee evaluating facts. Also, why does one need sysop powers to evaluate fun facts? Secondly, "lobby those with power to get rid of WikiTrolls"? What the crap? The sysops ''do'' get rid of Wiki Trolls, and other people should too. It's not like there's some permanent "Trolls Off" button that the admins have failed to press... as long as there is a Wiki, troll edits must be reverted, and anyone can (and should!) help. Finally, what's with all the bureaucracy, bylaws and whatnot? Why in the world would there be a need for a bylaw process? This just seems like it will lead to some bizarre, arcane structure of power that goes against Wiki philosophy. <small><tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|<span style="color:#8B0000;">Aurora the Homestar Coder</span>]]</tt></small> 01:38, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

::I'ma have to agree with Aurora. I'm not really liking this committee. It's nicely formed and worded, but I don't think it serves much use, actually. And it doesn't seem to be going anywhere, seeing as the only "member" is the creator himself. &rarr;''<small><tt>[[User:FireBird|<font color=green>FireBird</font>]]</tt></small>''

::There's no denying the STUFF page desperately needs to be organized, but you've taken this committee a bit far.  If you get rid of some of these silly policies and proposals, this committee could work.  However, there's no need for offices, sysop powers, etc.  This committee needs major reworking.  Here are some changes that may help:
::*Change the name to STUFF Help and Management Committee - not as catchy, but it makes the purpose of the committee a lot clearer.
::*Add Major Tasks in place of Core Beliefs and Goals.  Major Tasks would be:
::**Formatting the STUFF page
::**Helping users with questions regarding STUFF
::**Promoting the use of STUFF when necessary
::*Keep the history
::*Add a section on the Basics of STUFF.  This would inform people on how to STUFF facts, formatting standards, etc.
::*Remove all the committee info on the Talk page.  Add a list of Current Members on the main page.
::Basically, this should be modeled after the other committee pages, the [[HRWiki:Welcoming committee|Welcoming Committee]] for example.
::-[[User:DMurphy|DMurphy]] 04:18, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

:::Yea, I'm with Murphy. Definently no 'positions', or else it all turns into a big power grab. There shouldn't be anyone who has special say or authority anywhere on the wiki (with the possible exception of [[User:JoeyDay|Joey]], but even he rarely goes ahead with something without wiki support). And the history is kinda good, but needs to be reworked in a few places to be more factual, less goofy, and more... NPOV. ''<tt>[[Special:Contributions/Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔</font>]][[User:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>Thunderbird</font>]][[User talk:Thunderbird L17|<font color=gold>⇔</font>]]</tt>'' 07:52, 15 May 2005 (UTC)

::::Yes, this was initially sanctioned by myself (not that my sanction means much with respect to the wiki way), but I guess I should've been more clear about what I was sanctioning. I did suggest a better name: "Fun Fact Review Committee". I personally think the name "SPACL" is dreadful (I never liked "STUFF" either). I'm pretty much opposed to the idea of bylaws, officers, and all that jazz. So far all our committees have been pretty loosely organized. As the other sysops and I have discussed committees, we've always agreed that committees are great for increasing members feelings of belonging. Folks should be free to add, remove, and vote on fun facts whether they belong to this committee or not. The committee is just a way for someone to say "I belong, I do stuff around here," and the committee page should serve as a hub for committee members to organize their efforts. Elevating one wikizen over another by creating ranks and positions goes directly against the wiki way. &mdash; {{User:JoeyDay/sig}} 17:40, 16 May 2005 (UTC)