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<div> the name jhonka is from strong bad email [[impression]].<br />
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==in case you care==<br />
the first time that i went on homestarrunner.com was when my brother wanted to show me teen girl squad in 2003. i have been on homestarrunner ever since. i came to the wiki when i ran a google search for uncle pawdabber because i was really bored.<br />
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i have only contributed towards a few topics.</div>65.78.119.123http://hrwiki.org/wiki/User:JhonkaUser:Jhonka2005-11-05T21:47:05Z<p>65.78.119.123: </p>
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<div> the name jhonka is from strong bad email [[impression]].<br />
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--in case you care--<br />
the first time that i went on homestarrunner.com was when my brother wanted to show me teen girl squad in 2003. i have been on homestarrunner ever since. i came to the wiki when i ran a google search for uncle pawdabber because i was really bored.<br />
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i have only contributed towards a few topics.</div>65.78.119.123http://hrwiki.org/wiki/Talk:armyTalk:army2005-11-05T21:41:16Z<p>65.78.119.123: /* Date Fun Fact */</p>
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<div>== Format ==<br />
This page does not follow the format at all. Please look at [[Strong Bad Email|emails one through twenty-two]] for examples. And take a look at the [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?page=TranscriptionStandards TranscriptionStandards] page. Please. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 08:34, 28 Jul 2004 (MST)<br />
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:Holy crap!!!!<br />
:I was just trying to get it to look like PomPom email. I didnt relize how diffrent the page looks in the normal skin. (I had a diffrent skin up to speed up page loading on my old computer.) I'll get to work fixing it right away. -James<br />
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::Man, thanks for catching all those, Tom. This is a lot of work. -- [[User:JoeyDay|JoeyDay]] 11:09, 28 Jul 2004 (MST)<br />
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:::Hey, I didn't catch them all. I left some for you guys. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 11:23, 28 Jul 2004 (MST)<br />
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::::Man, I thought I'd cleaned up most of the problems with it, but it looks like there were plenty more. Page formatting can be a pain. :-P --[[User:James|James]]<br />
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:Is it normal for the Cheat's dialogue to be spelled out? Also, Firebert's action figure isn't listed as an Inside Reference to [[action figure]], or as a fast-forward to [[Cheat Commandos]], just explained under Easter Eggs. Is there a non-redundant way to do this? --[[User:notstrongorbad|notstrongorbad]] 04:18, 3 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==Removed fun fact ==<br />
I removed this fun fact:<br />
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*Pay close attention when the [[Homestarmy]] arrives in Strong Badia. Homsar just wobbles off!<br />
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Because this had already been acknowledged in the transcript. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]<br />
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== Date Fun Fact ==<br />
Is the fun fact<br />
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*This email was added on January 5, 2004 <br />
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''really'' needed? We have the Updates section for the dates, so why should we have it here? --<small>[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]</small><sub>|[[User_Talk:FireBird|Talk]]</sub><br />
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no-[[user:Jhonka|Jhonka]]<br />
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== Hold the Line! ==<br />
What's that supposed to mean?<br />
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Strong Sad is trying to to keep the the [[Homestarmy]] from retreating so that the Strongbadians won't win the "battle". This kind of line is common in war movies. --[[User:Stong Bad|Stong Bad]] 17:19, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
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Is that line from any particular movie we could reference? -- [[User:TaranchulaVamp15|TaranchulaVamp15]] 14:33, 29 Sept 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:Please note what they say about it in the DVD Commentary, TaranchulaVamp. --[[User:notstrongorbad|notstrongorbad]]<br />
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== Do you HAS what it takes? ==<br />
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When Homestar says "Do you ''has'' what it takes...?" during his little recruitment speech (with particular emphasis on the "has"), I'd always thought that that was a Yellow Dellow reference. At one point in The Yellow Dellow, Homestar says "I think I has the solution!" This incorrect choice of words is mentioned by Strong Sad in the DVD commentary. I'd always heard Homestar's "Do you has what it takes...?" to be a reference to that (replacing "have" with "has").--[[User:Rocketlex|Rocketlex]] 08:37, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Hankatollah? ==<br />
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This is the stuff of which bad Real World References are made, but for that reason I was kind of surprised not to find anything in the history speculating that "Hankatola" is a reference to the Islamic title [[Wikipedia:Ayatollah|Ayatollah]]. Given the militaristic them of this email and current global events, this would be somewhat interesting. --[[User:notstrongorbad|notstrongorbad]] 04:18, 3 Oct 2005 (UTC)</div>65.78.119.123http://hrwiki.org/wiki/Talk:bedtime_storyTalk:bedtime story2005-10-27T20:04:32Z<p>65.78.119.123: /* Ch8ter Boi */</p>
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<div>==Adventures of Lolo==<br />
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"You'd better have saved the receipt"...what's that supposed to mean?! At least I liked that game...<br />
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:Well, Malone intends to return it for a refund. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 07:48, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:I just tried to play it. I thought it was lame. But that's me. [[User:NFITC1|NFITC1]] 17:41, 26 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Shock-you-mentary? ==<br />
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Is "shock-you-mentary" (or, more likely, "shockumentary") a real word? I've heard of "mockumentaries" and "crockumentaries," but I'm not sure about "shockumentaries." If it is, maybe we should add an explanation about it; if it's not, maybe we should note its similarity to the other words I mentioned. [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 03:15, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:I'm not sure if this will help, but I looked "shockumentary" on Google, from the sites that I got, it seems to be something that scares people (like a book, or a movie...or something). Again, I really don't think this will help, but it might! {{User:Sbemail/sig}} 03:21, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, technically, mock- and crockumentary aren't real words either, just media derivations from the word documentary. You could have schlockumentaries, jockumentaries, lockumentaries, sockumentaries, and even the occasional deep-fried haddockumentaries. Point being, documentary is the only non-made up word in the whole she-bang-a-bang. [[User:Gillan The Villain|Gillan The Villain]] 03:23, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::Yes, that's true, but what I meant was whether it is a ''commonly-used'' word or if Strong Bad made it up. [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 03:31, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::My bad. And from my experience, I have heard it used before in the media, but I just have the feeling a maelstrom of "it doesn't deserve to be up there" or "if there's doubt in the post, your addition is toast" will prevent it from becoming a fun fact. Just my personal opinion, though. [[User:Gillan The Villain|Gillan The Villain]] 03:37, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:::Surprisingly, "shockumentary" gets [http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=shockumentary 240,000 hits] on google, but the word does not exist in any dictionary. I'd be willing to bet our familiarity is a result of pop culture. {{User:The Paper/sig}} 04:05, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:Like "mockumentary" and "rockumentary," "shockumentary" is just a [[Wikipedia:Portmanteau|portmanteau]], and a fairly obvious one at that; I'm completely unsurprised that 240,000 web sites have used it; half of their authors probably thought they were being incredibly original and clever. <small>&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]</small> 04:17, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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You could also have ''[[Sherlock]]umentary'' ! --[[User:Homfrog|This Old guy]] 12:11, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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I've heard it used pleanty of times. I don't think it's noteworthy. {{User:Camalex/sig}} 16:44, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Night ==<br />
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Should we mention something about this email being about night-time and that it was released at night. (Or at least here in the western hemisphere)? {{User:ACupOfCoffee/sig}} 03:19, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:It worked out nice that way, but knowing TBC's self-acknowledged methods of production, and the "new email soon" button, I'm betting they didn't wrap it up at 8 am and then just delay its release. I'm thinking they did it the same way I write papers. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:12, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
::Hey, if I'm right, then I do the same thing! [[User:Penguindude|someone who doesn't want to put his name just follow this link to find out who I am]]<br />
== Gummi Bears ==<br />
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I hope I'm not the only person who thinks that Gummi Bears doesn't belong in the Fun Facts. If you can use the internet, I think you might be able to wrap your heard around the idea of a gummi bear. Not like Moses Malone, who might not be too well known to those of the internet generation. But gummi bears? I'd take it down, but I really don't like doing that, considering somebody took the time to put it up, and I personally get a wee bit off-put when something of mine is taken down. If it's meant to come down, it will come down. Such is the will of the Wiki. [[User:Gillan The Villain|Gillan The Villain]] 03:27, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
: I'm neutral, but you'd be surprised what some people don't know. Though I must wonder what sort of cave people don't know about gummi bears... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 03:31, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
::We also included Oreos in [[Commandos in the Classroom]]'s fun facts, although those are a little more obscure. (My English friend had never heard of them.) Like Jay said, you never know what people don't know. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
:::Oh, well. I guess I had a little too much faith in humanity, then. If it stays up, I can deal. [[User:Gillan The Villain|Gillan The Villain]] 03:38, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:::I concur with Gillan The Villain. [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 03:37, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
They have yet to use spam! -[[User:Penguindude|Penguindude]]<br />
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== Have You Driven a Ford Latley? ==<br />
I reverted a real-world reference, but I wanted to move it to the talk page instead of just condemning it to oblivion: let it be noted that "Latley" is a limousine service in Switzerland. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 05:09, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:Let it be known, that I, Sbemail, brought this fact into notice =)!!! &mdash;{{User:Sbemail/sig}} 05:12, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Texas Chainsaw Symphony Orchestra ==<br />
I want to get rid of that Real-World Reference to the chainsaw solo, and assumed it should be fairly easy to prove that the notion of using a chainsaw in a musical setting predates Jackyl's 1992 debut. It wasn't, though. I found plenty of evidence that other groups have used chainsaws (including some amusingly "serious-art" endeavors), but no proof that the idea is older than the 90s. Somebody help me out? &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 05:15, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::Abdi, I have to say that what we'd be searching for here is the most ''well-known'' chainsaw solo, not necessarily the ''first''. That being said, and I being lazy, are we speaking of a guitar solo substituted by the sound of a ripping, gas-driven chainsaw? I vaguely remember that being a facet of the glam/hair metal scene ("Dude! How wicked is that! He was totally playing a freakin' chainsaw, dude! Metal! Metal rules!"), but if the most "well-known" example is Jackyl, then we should probably go with that. &mdash; {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 11:02, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:::You mean to tell me none of you young'uns ever heard of [[Wikipedia:Wendy O. Williams|Wendy O. Williams]] and the [[Wikipedia:Plasmatics|Plasmatics]]? She probably invented the heavy metal chainsaw, and certainly did more to popularize its use than one-hit-wonders Jackyl. --[[User:Cholling|Cholling]] 12:08, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::::Ain't no young'un, Cholling, and the Plasmatics are one of the best examples of tight music combined with unlistenable singing I've ever come across outside of Death Metal. I didn't know that Wendy used a chainsaw on stage, though, but I'd argue to the average music listener, Wendy is as obscure as Jackyl. I think this all gets back to Abdi's point that we need a better example for the fact. &mdash; {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 12:36, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:::::Actually, I'm not at all trying to ''improve'' this fact, but rather get rid of it. I'm trying to argue that chainsaws in musical contexts is a widespread and old enough idea that it isn't a "reference" to any particular band. I didn't feel right about doing it if I couldn't actually find any documentation, though. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:10, 27 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Okay... Who couldn't follow this email? ==<br />
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If you ask me, this email was one of the worst. hard-to-get easter eggs, bad story, bad layout, almost no humor, just what I don't want. Who agrees?<br />
:Please engage in such discussions on the HRWiki [[Forum:5636|Forum]]. {{User:Gafaddict/sig}} 10:48, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:'''DECLINED!!!!!!!!!'''(said in the same fasion as DELEATED) this made me laugh throught the ENTIRE e-mail (one of the few to do so) I found it easy to find the easter eggs, presentation was perfect, what more do you want?-[[User:68.39.179.135|68.39.179.135]] 19:47, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
::I guess if you had your monitor's brightness turned down the easter eggs at the end could be hard to find.<br />
:::Isn't kind of discussion better for the forum? {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:07, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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are you kidding? i loved this e-mail! "and in the final stages,the gum makes the appearence, and tastes of choclate pudding.<br />
i almost luaghed my whole lips out when i saw that!-[[User:Timmy!]]<br />
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One of my Top 5. Definently [[User:Catman87]]<br />
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== Cheat in the Machine ==<br />
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Should we maybe mention the fact that the LCD Cheat on the wristwatch is probably a reference to the cover of the [[Wikipedia:The Police|Police]] album ''[[Wikipedia:Ghost in the Machine|Ghost in the Machine]]?'' --[[User:Cholling|Cholling]] 12:13, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:It definitely bares a similar appearance to the cover of the Police album, but it may also just be a coincidence. Unless there is something else that connects the reference to the police (or a previous reference to the police), I don't think it's worthy of an official mention. [[User:Veluet|Veluet]]<br />
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== Weird Drinks ==<br />
should we also mention a cup of carmels, the "weird drink" that was in [[Cheat_Commandos...O's]]? -- [[User:DJ Teh Cheat|DJ Teh Cheat]]<br />
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:There's something to this, I think. Off the top of my head, I can remember the piemonade and the various chocolate desserts (those weren't drinks, but still). Maybe a "Weird Food" running gag page?<br />
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::Not a bad idea... maybe? Well I checked it out and there's [[Items#Food.2FDrinks|this page]] which <s>is missing</s> already lists [[Suudsu]]. -- [[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:48, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:::Suudsu sounds kinda like Kudzu. Noteworthy?<br />
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== Contact Buzz? ==<br />
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Is it just me, or is this the Brothers' first reference to illicit drugs in H*R? As far as I know, a "contact buzz" or "contact high" only occurs from second-hand marijuana smoke...although, it may just be my one-track mind =P --[[User:TheSyndicate88|TheSyndicate88]]<br />
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:Just you. The first one that comes to mind is from [http://www.robotwisdom.com/ Jorn Barger]'s [http://www.robotwisdom.com/ai/antimath.html Anti-Math] code. And how is your [http://www.google.com/search?q=%22contact+high%22+-marijuana&btnG=Search Google-fu]? Yeah, it's pretty commonly associated with dope, as you [http://www.google.com/search?q=contact+high can see]. But 'only occurs'? Give me a break. [[User:Eritain the Peculiar|Eritain the Peculiar]] 22:26, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:::Furthermore, I seem to recall a [[Scroll Button Songs|scroll buttons song]] that said, "And if you're trying to fade me then you must smoke crack!" That would seem also to refer to illicit drugs. [[User:Heimstern Läufer|Heimstern Läufer]] 00:54, 26 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== The Cheat's knife ==<br />
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Image:guy knife.png|<center>The Big Knife</center><br />
Image:TCsmallknife.png|<center>Teh<!--sic--> Little Knife</center><br />
Image:bigknife.png|<center>PBTC Big Knife</center><br />
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Is The Cheat's knife the [[Big Knife]]? &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:50, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:Let's compare {{User:Invisible_Robot_Fish/sig}} 23:05, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
::I think a better comparison would be to use [[:Image:bigknife.png]], as that's a PBTC Big Knife, and shows two clearly different knives. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
:::The Cheat's knife really doesn't look like the Big Knife at all. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:10, 25 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
::::Yes, I agree. The one used here is more of an ordinary steak knife, as opposed to the Big Knife. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
:::::Keep in mind, though, that PBTC style is low on consistency. Just look at how many ways he's [[Minor_Alternate_Versions#Powered_by_The_Cheat|drawn Strong Bad]]. I'm not so sure we can say definitively that it's ''not'' The Big Knife; simply that if it is it ain't lookin so big from where we're standin. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:34, 27 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Definition of Rigamorale ==<br />
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I've modified this twice and it's been reverted both times.<br />
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This is the original definition:<br />
Rigamarole (a variant of rigmarole) is "a complex and ritualistic procedure."<br />
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I felt this didn't completely convey the meaning of Rigamarole and how it pertains to this sbemail. So I looked up the definition on reference.com, and then reworded the definition:<br />
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*[http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=rigamarole Rigamarole] is a complicated and/or petty set of procedures; these procedures may also be ritualistic in fashion.<br />
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I also changed the format so it was consistent visually with the definition above it.<br />
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Are there any arguments against this change? Any suggestions or recommendations?<br />
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[[User:Veluet|Veluet]]<br />
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Nobody has disputed this so I'm making the change. [[User:Veluet|Veluet]] 00:29, 27 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:Sorry I haven't been around to respond. The way you've found it worded is my change from what was originally definition 1, " Confused, rambling, or incoherent discourse," which is obviously not how SB is using it. I was about to go with "complicated, petty," except that I found m-w.com's definition with "ritualistic," which I thought hit best what he was getting at. Upon reflection, actually I do have a problem with "petty"; it's a negative value judgement that doesn't seem to match Strong Bad's behavior. His attitude in response to The Cheat's needs seems pretty positive & supportive ("Sleep tight, sweet prince"); "petty" implies that the procedure is unnecessary, undesirable, and aggravating. Although I would probably conclude, personally, that it ''is'' all three, Strong Bad doesn't seem to, at least not explicitly. (And regardless of the definition used, I'm not fond of "and/or" or the "ritualistic in fashion" construction.) ''Aside'' from "petty," which I don't want to bring into the definition, I'm not sure how dictionary.com's definition differs substantially from m-w's, so hoping you will understand my reasoning, I will now change it back. (If you don't agree with me and feel strongly about it, please don't be offended, but continue the discussion!) &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:48, 27 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::Thanks for replying. It came off to me that Strong Bad's use of the word Rigamorale had a touch of sarcasm. This is because Strong Bad tends to sway more towards being humorous as apposed to being sensitive, and upgrading the status of a situation to "petty" fits with this style of humor. Also, The Cheat wasn't present when Strong Bad used the word Rigamorale. In the past Strong Bad has chosen being humorous over being sensitive to The Cheat's needs (such is the case when Strong Bad receives e-mails intended for The Cheat).<br />
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::Dropping the and/or and in fashion portion is a definite, I don't know why it occurred to me to use that fluff.<br />
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::How about:<br />
::Rigamarole (a variant of rigmarole) is "a complex and ritualistic procedure which may be perceived as petty."<br />
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::[[User:Veluet|Veluet]] 15:44, 27 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Ch8ter Boi ==<br />
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*If we went by pronunciation rules, wouldn't The Ch8t be pronounced "The Chait"? (I remember a similar fact appearing in the email where they spray-painted "St8k" on Marzipan.) -[[User:Kiwi|Mistress of Bad Discussion Titles]]<br />
**It's listed as a remark in [[mile]] (for "Dunkin' the Ch8t") as well. -- [[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 22:02, 26 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
**Perhaps that's how his name is pronounced in Native Cheat-ese? :) [[User:131.111.250.142|131.111.250.142]] 06:51, 27 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
***I think that his name would be pronounced "Meh Meh" in Cheat-ese.[[User:Jhonka|Jhonka]]<br />
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==Gavin Questions==<br />
maybe we should put in the inside references that "gavin safe" refers to the bug that has been seen once or twice in strong bad emails.<br />
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Also, i noticed that on the Strong bad main page, we were wondering if the bug is Gavin, but the picture of gavin on the bug spray can looks soo much like the bug on the main page, that i think that it is Gavin in the first place. [[User:DDRfreak1|posted by DDRfreak1]] 23:29, 26 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:As to the first bit, I think the link will suffice. But yeah, we've got an on-going debate about this right now at [[Talk:Gavin]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
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==Concious Visciousness==<br />
Whoa&mdash;note the parallel between the misspeling of ''vicious'' in [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 10]] and ''conscious'' here! It's almost like it's compensation. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 02:00, 27 October 2005 (UTC)</div>65.78.119.123http://hrwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Everybody_to_the_LimitTalk:Everybody to the Limit2005-10-22T00:24:35Z<p>65.78.119.123: </p>
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<div>A bit of sentimentality *tear*: This was the flash video that introduced me to the Homestar Runner website. And it rocks. Hard. :) --[[User:Southpaw018|Southpaw018]] 16:00, 12 Nov 2004 (MST)<br />
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I love this toon!<br />
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-[[User: bri angel|bri angel]]<br />
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Best [[Powered By The Cheat]] cartoon ''ever''. [[User:Pop tire|Pop tire]] 13:57, 26 Mar 2005 (MST)<br />
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So what? Clapping hands and "Woo!"-ing lips don't accompany ''most'' of the "Woo!"'s and claps. But... did you know that Strong Bad appears most of the time you hear Strong Bad singing?<br />
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I'm getting rid of this.--[[User:69.143.244.79|69.143.244.79]] 21:31, 2 Apr 2005 (MST)<br />
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Is it just me or is this whole song a Calculus joke? -- [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 15:40, 17 Apr 2005<br />
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Have you heard of [http://www.everybodytothelimit.com/ everybodytothelimit.com]? All I can see is a duck with a clock necklace. Isn't there suppost to be other toons?--[[User: Gordon 584|Gordon 584]] 11:42, 4 Jul. 2005<br />
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I think that they used Microsoft Zarvox for the Robot video. They sound identical. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}}<br />
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# On the MP3 version, The Robot's lazer dosn't play.<br />
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Usually sound effects in video clips aren't played in the actual song. Thus, I don't think it's a goof. Anyone who disagrees say Aye but till then it's going to be deleted. [[User:203.87.119.103|203.87.119.103]] 10:03, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== This is my favorite ==<br />
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out of all the music videos<br />
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When The Cheat smiles in this video, the smile goes the correct way (curving upwards) unlike The Cheat's usual downward curving smile<br />
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== Chomping Whiffleball ==<br />
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One of the visuals in this video shows the whiffle ball chomping its way toward Strong Bad while he's running backwards along what looks like a street with tall buildings on either side. This visual is very similar to an old Atari 2600 game named [http://www.atariage.com/software_page.html?SoftwareID=1419 Tunnel Runner], which featured pseudo-spherical munching monsters in a maze.<br />
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==WRONG!!!==<br />
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in the remarks it says that the lazer noise is being made even after the lazer is no longer shown. this is because, scientifically, the light of the lazer would move faster than the sound. so you would hear it after you saw it.- [[User:Jhonka|Jhonka]]</div>65.78.119.123http://hrwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Strong_Bad_is_a_Bad_GuyTalk:Strong Bad is a Bad Guy2005-10-19T01:59:19Z<p>65.78.119.123: /* soap */</p>
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<div>== The Field? ==<br />
I know it's a little early on to be worrying about this, but I've gone ahead and labeled the place where SB, SM and The Cheat are as [[The Field]], although I'm doubting that it is. New page? Label it "A Field" without linking? Two cents? {{User:FireBird/sig}} 15:39, 17 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:Well, it looks like the field to me, just without bushes. The entire art style in this toon is a naturally a little off. I think it's the field, but I wouldn't care if you called it something different. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 15:48, 17 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
::I'm for keeping it as [[The Field]].-{{User:Kookykman/sig}}<br />
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:'''Second'''-I also think that it should be kept as [[The Field]].[[User:Anonomys|Anonomys]] 23:43, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::'''Also Second'''-It should remain so.[[User:20X6 GEM|20X6 GEM]]<br />
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== Easter Eggs? ==<br />
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Since we haven't gotten the direct Flash file yet, I can't use the seek bar to find Easter eggs. By the looks of it, I don't think there are any, but our good annonymous IP who crated the page apparently says there is ([{Strong Sad]] (Eater egg)). Any other way? {{User:FireBird/sig}} 15:56, 17 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:I fount the Flash file! Yay! http://www.homestarrunner.com/badguy.swf {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 16:01, 17 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::w00t. <s>By the looks of it, though, there are no Easter eggs.</s> Ah, we found one. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 16:07, 17 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:::Two, actually. {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 17:24, 17 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== A Revelation for Homestar? ==<br />
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I'm not sure if this is important, but is this the first time that someone has mentioned to Homestar (or Homestar has admitted to himself) that he doesn't have arms? I know Strong Bad has mentioned his armlessness before, but always when alone and not within earshot of Homestar himself. I dunno if this counts as an important bit of data or not, but I just wanted to throw it out. [[User:Rocketlex|Rocketlex]] 16:21, 17 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:I think that this is an important fact too. I'm going to [[STUFF]] it.--{{User:Kookykman/sig}} 20:25, 17 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
::In [[fingers]], it was implied that Homestar knows about his situation. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:58, 17 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:::Actually, the 'implied' part in fingers is part of Strongbad's imagination no? (as shown by the dream bubbles and such). So it'd be little more then Strongbad again saying to himself that Homestar is harmless. [[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]] 22:44, 17 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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Actually, my outlook on Homestar's "arms" are that they are obviously invisible. He carries things all the time. In fact, sometimes it is questionable about the invisible arms since in The Show, he can hold the microphone, hold the cards, and shuffle them at the same time. But all these prove that he has invisible arms.--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 20:44, 17 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:It almost seems that he can telekinetically move anything within a set range, as characters walking by (or crowding aroud) him never seem to run into his arms.={{User:Kookykman/sig}}<br />
::I agree, it'd also explain Old Timey Homestar has not only no arms, but no shoulder sockets for his invisible arms to be linked to. [[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]] 22:44, 17 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:::It could be that he is blissfully unaware of the fact that he has "no arms", much like he is unaware of the fact that his pants are invisible (or nonexistent.) [[User:24.138.54.79|24.138.54.79]] 01:51, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
::::I too have always thought telekinesis. Invisible arms is a tad elaborate, and telekinesis would explain how he is able to hold a microphone, hold the cards, and shuffle the cards all at the same time. It's not like Homestar has a really powerful mind and thus is able to use telekinesis, it's just his way of making up for having no arms. Though, alternately, I like the idea that because Homestar is so unaware of his lack of arms, he is able to pick things up without having arms, i.e., he "forgets" his lack of arms and acts like he can pick things up, and it works for some reason. ("How did you walk through that wall?" "I was able to because I forgot to use my laws of physics.") --[[User:Der Pepper|Der Pepper]]<br />
:I have always seen two (2) possable answers to this. one (1) is that he has (at least) four (4) invisable arms. two (2) is that he has limited telikenisis. I also think that this has always been implied.-[[User:Anonomys|Anonomys]] 23:49, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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I think telikenisis because of the whole holding more things than possible and, and I exclamate this not to hurt anyones fealings, his shirt clearly has no holes for any invisible arms to come out of!.--[[User:20X6 GEM|20X6 GEM]]<br />
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== Don't be a Hater ==<br />
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After listening twice, I think the lyrics actually say "Strong Bad ''paints'' Marzipan", as opposed to "hates". I distinctly hear an N sound in there. This would also match up well with [[origins]], a previous time when Strong Bad spray painted Marzipan. What say the rest of you? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
:I hear an "h" sound in the beginning. It's hard to tell, though. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 17:52, 17 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::Both make perfect since, so it's really just a matter of listening. On that note, I do hear an "h" sound, as well. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 17:55, 17 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:::I hear '''paint'''. We could make a footnote, like we did with [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]].-{{User:Kookykman/sig}}<br />
::::Ugh, not another footnote. Let's get some more opinions here before even thinking about going down that road. I heard "hates," by the way. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 20:59, 17 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:As all the other lyrics match up exactly with the illustrations, "paints" seems more plausible.-{{User:Kookykman/sig}}<br />
::I'm hearin' "hates" dude. [[User:20X6 GEM|20X6 GEM]]<br />
::Hearing "hates" here too [[User:Ghilz|Ghilz]]<br />
:::LOL&mdash;I heard "Strong Bad '''is''' Marzipan on my first listen! That had me kinda confused. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:15, 17 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
::I heard it three times, it is very faint, but I am pretty sure I heard '''hates'''. I am 100% sure that they did not say ''paint'', as the "p" sound was nowhere to be heard. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:24, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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'''Hates'''. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 10:02, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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I also hear "hates." {{User:Trey56/sig}} 13:16, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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"Hates". --[[User:Der Pepper|Der Pepper]]<br />
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Another vote for "hates." -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft Holmes]] 14:10, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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2 votes for "Paints", 11 for "Hates" including me. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 14:27, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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I heard hates (I wrote the transcript) ;) {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 15:41, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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'''Hates'''. --[[User:B|B]] 18:14, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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Just to clarify, I also vote Hates for Town Council. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 18:17, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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I hear "hates" too. Besides, that makes more sense considering that Strong Bad is spraying black paint over a picture of Marzipan, as in defacing it. "Paints" just doesn't make any sense whatsoever to me.--[[User:Spanky The Dolphin|Spanky The Dolphin]] 23:32, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:I vote "hates"-[[User:Anonomys|Anonomys]] 23:46, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Tricked Out Van ==<br />
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I figured that the van in the music video could reference the tricked out van Strong Bad mentioned in the [[Strong Bad is in Jail Cartoon]]. What do you think? -- [[User:TaranchulaVamp15|TaranchulaVamp15]] 12:17, 17 Oct 2005<br />
:That certainly sounds plausible to me. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
::I'd [[HRWiki:STUFF|STUFF]] it, though. I'm for it, but some may not approve.--{{User:Kookykman/sig}} 20:15, 17 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:::In fact, it's currently already there. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
::::I just noticed that. Heh. I'm a genius.-{{User:Kookykman/sig}}<br />
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==Song visuals==<br />
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Why is it, that with things such as [[Experimental Film]] and [[rock opera]], we split the music from the visuals, but here we put 'em all in the transcript? Is there some sort of standard at all? {{User:Thunderbird L17/Siggie}} 17:26, 17 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:It's because those two have several '''minutes''' of nothing but visuals and lyrics. This one is pretty short so the visuals can be insite the transcript. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 17:29, 17 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah, we generally split them for large ones. There's no set standard, though. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 17:53, 17 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:::I'm not really sure I like it that way. I think we should do it one way or the other for consistency. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 17:55, 17 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
::::Well, the visuals usually get in the way of simply reading the song, but they are important for a knowledge base that collects as much info as possible. I think it's fine the way it is, but if we had to choose one way or the other, I'd go with a seperate page for visuals. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 20:03, 17 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:what do you mean by "it's already there"?-[[User:Anonomys|Anonomys]] 23:50, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==Dooj?==<br />
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Anyone know what the rocket laucher "Dooj" is about?<br />
:It could just be a sound effect.-{{User:Kookykman/sig}}<br />
::I think "dooj" may be a variant (or the actual spelling of) the word "doosh" Strong Bad uses occasionally. (See [[Random Toon]] and [[TROGDOR!]]) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
:::Don't forget [[The System Is Down (song)]]! &mdash; {{User:Lapper/sig}} 20:39, 17 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== This Toon ==<br />
Is this toon even on the site? Where? [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]]<br />
:It's a Short. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
::Also, check the main page. Look under "back to our roots". If that doesn't work, do a hard refresh and try again. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]<br />
:Back to Our Roots? [[User:Cheatachu72|Cheatachu72]]<br />
::You're not in conversation. If you missed something, read the message again. {{User:Gafaddict/sig}} 10:57, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
::On the rotating "What's new!" button.-{{User:Kookykman/sig}}<br />
:It's under "Shorts" on the Toons page. {{User:Camalex/sig}} 20:40, 17 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:either look under "shorts" for "strong bad is a bad guy" or the "what's new" button for "back to our roots". it comes up as a seperate window within the window when you open it (like the pupet stuff).-[[User:Anonomys|Anonomys]] 23:53, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Of Snake Ladies, Nagas, and Warcraft ==<br />
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Snake/Human hybrids are, of course, not constrained to Warcraft and date back to Indian and Asian mythology. In fact, the name Naga isn't even constrained to Warcraft and denotes a wide variety of snake like mythical creatures in southern Asia. I propose the dropping of that particular reference and letting the Cheat's snake lady just be a product of his imagination rather than yet another spurious reference.<br />
:I agree. I've never even heard of Warcraft, but I ''have'' heard of nagas before. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
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I agree, I have heard of Warcraft, but I also remember them in Final Fantasy games before Warcraft...Hmmm, FFII and III were SNES games as was Mario Paint...reference? Probably not.--[[User:Slackerboy|Slackerboy]] 22:38, 17 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:My guess is that they got the reference from all those video games you guys mentioned. It might be more of a referene to the genre in general. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 01:25, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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I think it speaks to the remarkably limited scope of knowledge possessed by the people who visit this site :) -[[User:Jesselangham|JesseLangham]] 18:25, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:prehaps the brothers chaps thought it was just cool-lookin'-[[User:Anonomys|Anonomys]] 23:54, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==Bad Guy!==<br />
Considering this is a toon described "Going back to our roots", Isn't the entire basis of the toon is a reference to how StrongBad was more of a villian earlier on in the series? Maybe? [[User:20X6 GEM|20X6 GEM]]<br />
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Isn't StrongBad bouncing on his Head a reference to the SBEmail [[funny]]? [[User:20X6 GEM|20X6 GEM]]<br />
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:Yeah&mdash;reasserting his identity now that he's become the vulnerable, personable, lovable scamp who charmed his way into the hearts of a nation. No, seriously, you're right. (Not that it should go in the article, but good observation.) &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:20, 17 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:I thought about that, but he really doesn't act like a villain. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:18, 17 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:I totally agree with that, 20X6 GEM. I was about to leave a similar note here. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 02:27, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:Possible, but I'm thinking it is props to the [[Super NES|first Homestar Runner cartoon ever made]], which was done in Mario Paint, as has already been referencecd. Even though Strong Bad's vilinitude is not what it used to be, he's still the antagonist, and this short doesn't have the feel of, say, [[Marshmallow's Last Stand|Marshmallow's Last Stand (toon)]]. --[[User:B|B]] 18:21, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:Reference, no. Interesting, though! &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:20, 17 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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I think it was very interesting. Does anyone else think so? --{{User:The 386/sig}} 01:02, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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I seriously think the bouncing on his head was a reference to when he did it in "Funny"! "Liko Liko Liko!!!" [[User:20X6 GEM|20X6 GEM]]<br />
:it sadens me to see how off-topic people can get in a message bored-type thing that allows you to edit.-[[User:Anonomys|Anonomys]] 23:56, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
::Sorry bout' dat. Also the P.S. was part of my original message and somehow was moved after that. But seriuosly. I think it's pretty a strait forward thing(The bouncing on his head that is). [[User:20X6 GEM|20X6 GEM]]<br />
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== Pic's ==<br />
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Could someone please give me pics of SB talking as in when he says "A glowy box? Are you sure that's what you'd get for your tattoo?" and when SM is talking, please? [http://fanstuff.hrwiki.org/index.php/User:Count_X | Apocalpyx Zeta]<br />
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:Erm. Read the transcript? {{User:Gafaddict/sig}} 10:59, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:by "pics" do you meen pictures?-[[User:Anonomys|Anonomys]] 23:57, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Richey Edwards reference? ==<br />
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"The For Real Deal"-tattoo may be a reference to [[Wikipedia:Richey James Edwards|Richey Edwards]], and the infamous interview he did with [[Wikipedia:NME|NME]] journalist [[Wikipedia:Steve Lamacq|Steve Lamacq]]. Lamacq asked Edwards if he and his band [[Wikipedia:Manic Street Preachers|Manic Street Preachers]] were serious about their music. Edwards tried to convince Lamacq by carving "4-real" into his forearm.<br />
:I agree...it's a pretty unmistakable reference, in my opinion. I'm going to [[Template:STUFF/Strong_Bad_is_a_Bad_Guy|put it on the STUFF page]]. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 12:59, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:More about the incident [http://microsites.nme.com/rock100/site/8.html here]. [[User:Lazmo|Lazmo]] 15:38, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Sing us a Song ==<br />
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Anyone have an idea where the song comes from? It sounds incredibly familiar, but I can't place it. --[[User:B|B]] 18:24, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:Also, I want to know if the intro music is related to the Trogdor game&mdash;specifically those little upward-swooping beepy notes (I know, you'd expect a better description from a musician)? &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 18:48, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Pipe or Bat ==<br />
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In the transcript, it says Strong Bad hits the muffler with a bat (it ''is'' brown). Later, in the Inside references, it is called a pipe (which ''has'' been used before. Which is it? My vote is pipe, given the inside reference. Others? --[[User:B|B]] 18:29, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:It's so pixellated it's hard to tell, even zoomed in, but:<br />
#although I can't say for sure it's perfectly cylindrical (i.e. not tapered like a bat), I think it would be even harder to say that it's tapered;<br />
#if it is a bat, it has some kind of dealie at the end, like lines painted on it. I think those are supposed to be pipe threads.<br />
#Strong Bad's holding it right in the middle (although that isn't very efficient no matter what it is). &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 18:45, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
::I'd say it's a pipe for three reasons: A. a pipe/muffler combo has been used before, 2. a bat would be hard to dent a muffler with, and D. the reasons AbdiViklas already said. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
:::I put bat in the transcript because it was brown and I didn't look at it that closely. A pipe seems reasonable too though. {{User:Homestar Coder/sig}} 19:31, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==soap==<br />
when sb mentions soap, it's a reference to dove brand soap.-stretchyman<br />
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Um...Why do you think it's Dove? I think you're stretching it, stretchyman (ooo...bad joke). Can you find any evidence that it's Dove? [[User:Brightstar Shiner|Brightstar Shiner]] 20:27, 18 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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dove is the only type of soap that strong bad knows about.-stretchyman<br />
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How do you know?- [[User:Jhonka|Jhonka]]</div>65.78.119.123http://hrwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Teen_Girl_Squad_Issue_9Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 92005-10-16T23:09:09Z<p>65.78.119.123: /* Learner's permit? */</p>
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<div>== What birds? ==<br />
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I don't think the vultures count as [[The Birds]], and I didn't notice any other birds in this 'toon. Did I miss something? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:32, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
:There's one in the background of Mr. Pitter's title card, just before the vultures land. {{User:phlip/sig}} 07:16, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
I saw that the last time through - but aren't those just the vultures from a distance? Oh, well, call them "The Birds" if you want. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:17, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
:I agree; they are the vultures from a distance, and they don't count as [[The Birds]].--[[User:Nucleartonga|Nucleartonga]] 12:25, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
I just discovered, the "fact" that this is the first time they don't die is false anyway. They survived at the end of [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 2|TGS2]] {{User:phlip/sig}} 14:46, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Ummm... ==<br />
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Why were no back and again buttons?<br />
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Well, TBC either forgot, or.... Forgot.--[[User:That crazy DumDe!|DumDe]]<br />
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They might go back and add some. --[[User:StarWarsMonkey|StarWarsMonkey :-)]]<br />
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==HAY!==<br />
why did ja deleate da fun fact of mine? --[[User:djm1791|djm1791]] 13:45, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
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hello Mr. 209.104.139.221 i asked u a question! --[[User:djm1791|djm1791]] 13:48, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:(1) Being rude and angry isn't going to help you. (2) 3 minutes is hardly long enough to wait before demanding a response. Think more along the line of days, possibly longer since it is an anonymous user and thus less likely to return often. (3) If by "da fun fact of mine" you mean "This is the first time we see [[Tompkins]] as a teenager.", I'm guessing it was because it is not particularly interesting. I know I'd vote against it if it went to STUFF. Also not necessarily true, depending on his age in [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 8#Easter Eggs|TGS8]] (which isn't obvious). {{User:phlip/sig}} 14:26, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
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Your fact was deleted because this isn't the first time we see tompkins as a teenager, the first time was in Tgs 8.<br />
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==Byrds reference==<br />
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I'm not even going to try and STUFF this, because it's complete speculation and could easily be a coincidence, but I still think it's cool: On the Best Friends Squad intro, it looks like Cheerleader has been replaced by a unicorn, much like the group The Byrds were [http://www.snopes.com/music/hidden/horse.asp rumored] to have intentionally replaced the recently-fired David Crosby with a horse on the cover of their 1968 album ''The Notorious Byrd Brothers''. Just throwin' that out there. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:08, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
:Interesting theory! However, I think the unicorn, rainbow and flowers are just generic frilly, girly things. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:45, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==What's Her Face==<br />
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The girls of Teen Girl Squad have been presented as 8th graders almost since the outset. To discover that What's Her Face is possibly 3 or 4 or 5 years *older* than the others is interesting and notable. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:59, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
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This is also noted in [[Talk: What's Her Face]]. -- [[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 20:35, 27 Jun 2005<br />
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== Mr. Pitters ==<br />
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Why does he have his own article? He has only appeared in ONE issue of TGS, so if he has his own article, shouldn't the Port-A-John, the vultures, and all the others have their own articles too? No. So shouldn't he be part of the minor TGS characters page? -- [[User:Marshmallow Roast|Marshmallow Roast]] 09:09, 21 Jun 2005<br />
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Well he doesn't only appere once or twise he's tru the hole comic, unlike the others --[[User:djm1791|djm1791]] 02:34, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
:I agree, he is more of a guest star like Tomkins. -- [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 20:13, 21 Jun 2005 (PDT)<br />
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== Sci-fi Greg ==<br />
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I liked Sci-Fi Greg.He reminds me of my dad,who's addicted to Sci-fi and my dad's name is actually Greg.i just thought that was a really weird coincidence.[[User:Ookelaylay|Ookelaylay]] 20:14, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== +3 Sword?! ==<br />
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Well, I run a D&D game myself, and no player with a three-digit experience total (1st level) should have a +3 weapon! They're usually reserved for powerful players of level 7-8 minimum.<br />
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:Well, for an example of how much research goes into these animations, listen to the indie record store bit at the end of comic.<br />
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::Ummmm ... SFG is lying!<br />
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== Gallery/Galleon fun fact ==<br />
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There's no reason to suppose that "my Spanish galleons" is a ''specific'' reference to a ''particular'' other time that Cheerleader addressed the other girls as some variation on "gals". It's not a reference: knowing that she said "my gallies" before doesn't make the joke any funnier or help you to understand what she means. If she had just said "my gallies" a second time, ''that'' wouldn't be a reference. It's like saying that Homestar calling The Cheat "yellow man" in one toon is a reference to the time he called him a "yellow dog" in an earlier toon. It's not a reference; it's just because The Cheat is yellow. Here it's not a reference; it's just because TGS are gals. [[User:24.193.245.4|24.193.245.4]] 17:11, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Who had the worst death in this issue? ==<br />
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*What's her face-choked on Staple Sauce<br />
*Cheerleader-got run over by a crazy girl<br />
*The Ugly One-crushed and burned by a flaming tree<br />
*So And So-arrowed with a port-o-john<br />
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-Kinsey<br />
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: I'd say So and So was SPEAR'D, not ARROWED. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 04:58, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
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- Cassie Rose<br />
: I'd say it was So and So because she was out with a Port-a-john<br />
and she got spear'd or arrowed in front of tons of people<br />
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Getting SPEAR'D would kill you instantly (or at least very quickly).<br />
Choking on Staple Sauce would be a much longer and more painful death.<br />
--[[User:Stong Bad|Stong Bad]] 20:25, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
==Babbage's==<br />
Sorry to break it to the folks who are arguing if Babbages is still a store or not... but my local mall still has a Babbages. There's a Gamestop arcoss the street. -TheGilmanator<br />
:I don't know where TheGilmanator lives, but I also found a Babbage's in the Lakeside Shopping Center in New Orleans, Louisiana, and a phone call placed to them this morning confirmed that they still operate under the name Babbage's. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 15:30, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Horrible! ==<br />
I personally think that this is probably the most violent TGS ever. Getting impaled, combusting, getting run over, eaten by pigeons, and die by eating staple sause! Strange for TGS. <br />
--[[User:Klaymation|Klaymation]]<br />
: So getting ARROWED, zapped by a robot's laser, getting run over (OMG! IT'S HAPPENED BEFORE!), getting mauled by possums, getting hit in a sailing mishap, all the various things that happened to Tompkins as a child, eaten by a lion or a shark, etc. are any better? And, BTW, Mr. Pitters was eaten by VULTURES. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:29, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
::These cartoons are similar to when Chuck Jones wrote all sorts of horrible ends to Wile E. Coyote in the Road Runner cartooons. Allthough for those the comedy mostly stems from the build-up to a disaster while in ''Teen Girl Squad'', the deaths come through a ''duex ex machina''. --[[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 20:07, 12 Jul 2005 (EDT)<br />
:::I was surprised by being eaten by vultures, but nothing else. Oh, yeah, I LIKE THE ROAD RUNNER CARTOONS!!! {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}}<br />
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== Learner's permit? ==<br />
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What state gives learner's permits to 14-year-olds? And lets them drive without supervision? I'm thinking, here in Ohio, you can get a learer's permit at age 15 and 6 months, and you have to be acompanied in the passenger seat by a parent or guardian, or, if you're 16 or over, a licensed driver age 21 or older. That always seemed reasonable to me - but on second thought, some states have dumb vehicle laws, like how in Texas it's legal to drive with an open container... [[User:Gus|Gus]] 22:08, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
In Indiana its the same, i agree ....Cassie Rose<br />
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Nothing said that the crazy driver's ed girl was 14.-Jhonka<br />
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== Final Fantasy 7 Reference? ==<br />
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Did anyone else think that the theatrical play put on by one of the girls and the Port-o-Pottie looked eerily similar to the play that Cloud and Aeris participate in during their date scene in the Golden Saucer? I couldn't find a picture of the FF7 scene to confirm this, but the backgrounds and costumes look very familiar... Anyone???<br />
: 1. Any of the playable females could be in that play, not just Aeris. 2. Cloud and A/T/Y didn't wear hats of any sort in that play, and Cloud wasn't the king. 3. No. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 03:02, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
It was just a generic king-and-princess play. The costumes and set were so stereotypical, they'd be a reference to hundreds of things if we accepted that it's a reference to Final Fantasy. [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 19:04, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Luigi's Reference? ==<br />
Do any of you guys think Cheerleader calling the girls, when they're ghosts, art galleries is a referance to ''Luigi's Mansion''? --[[User:Technochocolate|Technochocolate]] 14:47, 11 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
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Umm... no.<br />
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:That would be the BIGGEST coincidence if it wasn't, so it probably is. Makes sense to me. --[[User:ColorPrinter|ColorPrinter]] 16:25, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)<br />
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Ghosts, art galleries...WHOA. Now all we need is Old Man Pitters with a vaccuum. [[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]]<br />
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So should we add it to the page now or put it up for voting in STUFF? --[[User:Technochocolate|Technochocolate]] 21:25, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:If you really wanna try, I'd suggest STUFF-ing it immediately. This one has been added and subtracted numerous times since July. Item that thrash in and out like that usually get voted down, however. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 21:39, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==Closed STUFF==<br />
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=== My Art Galleries ===<br />
{{stufffact|Cheerleader calling the girls "art galleries" when they're ghosts is a reference to Luigi's Mansion.}}<br />
{{stuffverdict|23:03, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)|05:43, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)|overwhelmingly declined|17|2|Teen Girl Squad Issue 9}}<br />
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=== Math Geek ===<br />
{{stufffact|The only legible marks in Tomkins's Algebra paper are the number 3 and what appears to be a square root sign. If you zoom in, you can see that the original problem appears to be 3 times the -1st root of (4L^-1) divided by an unintelligible scribble. This can be simplified to 3L / (4 x unintelligible). His answer appears to be some random doodle; it could be anything.}} <br />
{{stuffverdict|00:18, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)|03:23, 17 Jul 2005 (UTC)|declined, 12&ndash;11. A proposed revision was also declined|4|1|Teen Girl Squad Issue 9}}<br />
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=== Hangin' out next to the Old Person ===<br />
{{stufffact|Apparently, the girls are standing next to Mr. Pitters in nearly every episode, you just never see him because he is hidden behind the frame. This is similar to the "Strong Sad, how long have you been standing there?" joke in [[The Luau]], and Homestar's claim that he is in every SB Email but is hidden behind the black in [[flashback]].}}<br />
{{stuffverdict|03:18, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)|22:58, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)|almost unanimously declined|11|1|Teen Girl Squad Issue 9}}<br />
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=== Babbage's ===<br />
{{stufffact|Strong Bad is unaware that Babbage's stores do not tend to stock obsolete game consoles such as TurboGrafx 16. They generally do not inventory anything prior to PlayStation.}}<br />
{{stuffverdict|09:54, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)|17:33, 7 Jul 2005 (UTC)|declined|10|2|Teen Girl Squad Issue 9}}<br />
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=== Well, Duh, She's a Teen ===<br />
{{stufffact|Generally speaking, American teenagers get a driver's license at about sixteen years of age. Given the fact that she's had a driver's license for a year, it appears that What's Her Face is at least seventeen years old.}}<br />
{{stuffverdict|20:57, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)|17:33, 7 Jul 2005 (UTC)|accepted|24|10|Teen Girl Squad Issue 9}}<br />
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{{stuffcloseddecline}}<br />
=== Like I don't get two jillion of these facts every two jillion seconds ===<br />
{{stufffact|Strong Bad needing a ride to Babbages is an oblique reference to [[car]], where he admitted he doesn't have a car.}}<br />
{{stuffverdict|06:16, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)|17:33, 7 Jul 2005 (UTC)|almost unanimously declined|14|1|Teen Girl Squad Issue 9}}<br />
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== Teen Girl Sq-uad==<br />
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The lowercase Qs are unedited in this issue...</div>65.78.119.123http://hrwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Teen_Girl_Squad_Issue_7Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 72005-10-16T22:54:19Z<p>65.78.119.123: /* southpark refrence? */</p>
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<div>The timing on this episode was off some.<br />
I did not feel that the killings were quite so fast and/or random as in past episodes. -James<br />
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you have to admit, it's pretty fresh. and tompkin's "death" (whether he comes back or not, you can't tell with tgs) was hilarious. - evil tom nook<br />
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I thought the part where cheerleader was squished was hilarious. -Kevin "Shut it off!<br />
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== Metallica??? ==<br />
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*At the end Cheerleader's shirt says Coolier than Thou,<br />
which is a reference to Metallica's Holier than Thou.<br />
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Metallica did not invent the phrase "Holier than thou", so how is this a specific ref to Metallica? - [[User:Drhaggis|Drhaggis]] 13:43, 19 Sep 2004 (MST)<br />
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:It must not be a reference then. I removed it. -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 13:55, 19 Sep 2004 (MST)<br />
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== I had a question... ==<br />
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When the guy on the slide killed Cheerleader, why did SB sound like he was eating something and then mumbled "squished" like his mouth was full?<br />
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How does Strong Bad type with boxing gloves on? There are a lot of random things on Homestar Runner, and this is one of them. -- [[User:FireBird|FireBird]]<br />
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Maybe he was eating.--[[User:Hysterical Woman|Hysterical Woman]] 18:53, 4 Oct 2004 (MST)<br />
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Okay then... It's one of those odd things he does that makes it funnier, I guess... --[[User:favetvshows1x3|favetvshows1x3]] 18:54, 4 Oct 2004 (MST)<br />
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I thought that he was making those sounds because he couldn't think of what to say. --69.81.102.162 13:30, 13 Oct 2004 (MST)<br />
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''I'' think it's the sound effect of the big fat guy coming down the slide. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]<br />
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:Me 2. {{User:Bubsty/sig}}<br />
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I think it has to do with SB trying to clear his throat after doing the high-pitched teeny tiny girl voices.<br />
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It's the sound of fat. Totally. The blubber effect adds to the grossness of the wrestler. - [[User:Trelawney|Trelawney]] 02:24, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:Woah.. ''The Sound of Fat''.. This could be the new Broadway musical hit! I'll make hundreds! {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 03:38, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Mrs Commanderson ==<br />
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What are the lyrics to that song, anyway? I can't make 'em out.<br />
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Mrs Commanderson, she's some kind of bird reptile, and she....?<br />
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:The Easter Egg has now been transcribed. Have a nice day. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]<br />
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Actually, another thing I noticed is that the blocks next to the girls say "SD" which is an anime reference meaning "super deformed". It's used to describe when the normal characters go into tiny versions of themselves for comic relief. Coincidence?<br />
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== What's Her Face ==<br />
It said in the article that Cheerleader was the only one to die and return in the same episode.<br />
But didn't What's Her Face die when Mrs. Commander..son dropped her? Can someone change this? I'm scared that it might somehow be wrong and then I'll be trolling.-Alice<br />
: She didn't visibly die. --[[User:Jay|<span style = "color: #9090FF">''Jay''</span>]] [[User talk:Jay|<span style = "color: #006030"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] 21:17, 7 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
Well, when I looked up What's Her Face in the "Hurt by" list, being dropped by Mrs. Commanderson was on it.- Alice<br />
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:You never see her die. For all you know she could've landed on a trampoline or something, or Mrs. Commanderson couldve just picked her up before she landed. Since you can't tell what happened, I say just leave it alone. {{User:Bubsty/sig}}<br />
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== Hand Jive? ==<br />
Erm I don't think that they were doing the hand jive (at least not the one that is commonly used in Greece), so I changed it to "Pattycake", but I dunno if this is right either. Can I get an expert's opinion? --[[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 02:25, 11 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== southpark refrence? ==<br />
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just a quick question, could cheerleader dipping her chocolate in salt be a refrence to chef's Chocolate Salty Balls?<br />
: I don't watch South Park, but I can answer your question easily. Do you need to ask whether or not it's a reference? Then it's probably not. Sorry if that's a little blunt, but that's the general consensus around here. --[[User:Jay|<span style = "color: #9090FF">''Jay''</span>]] [[User talk:Jay|<span style = "color: #006030"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] 02:58, 8 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
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I don't think it's a reference. I think Strong Bad wanted it to be gross and funny.-Jhonka<br />
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== Closed STUFF ==<br />
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=== SD - Strong Dad? Could be ===<br />
{{stufffact|While So and So and The Ugly One were playing Pattycake, the two blocks on the ground had an "S" and a "D" in that order. In anime this stands for "Super deformed," and this accurately describes the style of these characters.}}<br />
{{stuffverdict|04:46, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)|05:49, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)|unanimously declined|10|0|Teen Girl Squad Issue 7}}</div>65.78.119.123http://hrwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Teen_Girl_Squad_Issue_4Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 42005-10-16T22:44:59Z<p>65.78.119.123: /* Grood */</p>
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<div>==Grood==<br />
I don't think 'grood' is a reference to ''Mean Girls'' [http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0377092/]. TGS4 pre-dates that movie's release.<br />
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:Agreed, I have removed this. But wouldn't it be cool if [http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0275486/ Tina Fey] was a Homestar Runner fan?[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 07:49, 16 Oct 2004 (MST)<br />
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::Yeah, it would be. Perhaps it's worth mentioning in the [[Sightings]] page, although there isn't a movie category at the moment. I haven't seen the movie, so I'll leave it for someone who has, to make sure that they get it right. --[[User:novakreo|novakreo]] 22:09, 16 Oct 2004 (MST)<br />
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:What exactly happens in Mean Girls? I haven't seen the movie, nor do I intend to [[User:Hobophobic|<nowiki>~</nowiki>Hobo]]|<sup>[[User_talk:Hobophobic|talk</sup>]]<br />
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::This is a bit off-topic, but Mean Girls is about a new girl going to school. She tries to make friends. She does. She backstabs them to get popular. Then she realizes that friends are more important than being popular. It's accually pretty funny-[[User:Jhonka|Jhonka]]<br />
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==Closed STUFF==<br />
=== Buck Privates (DECLINED)===<br />
The part where they say the same thing and laugh is a reference to the Abbot and Costello film ''Buck Privates''.<br />
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*'''Decline.''' I've never seen ''Buck Privates'' but unless there's a scene with Lou under a Heavy Lourde type weight and Bud under a sack of potatoes this sure seems like a stretch to me -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 24 Mar 2004<br />
**'''Second''' Indeed. There are more cartoons/movies where that happens. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:33, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)<br />
**'''Second'''. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:46, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)<br />
**'''Second''' --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 03:21, 5 Apr 2005 (MDT)<br />
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=== Fact Facterson ===<br />
{{stufffact|Brett Bretterson's name is similar to that of another smart, blond, teenage girl's main squeeze: Nancy Drew's steady boyfriend Ned Nickerson.}}<br />
{{stuffverdict|19:14, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)|18:18, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)|unanimously declined|10|0|Teen Girl Squad Issue 4}}<br />
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== Maybe some Lunchables? ==<br />
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From Wikipedia: [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunchables Lunchables] are Oscar Mayer/Kraft combinations of food that are packaged and aimed at children's lunches.</div>65.78.119.123http://hrwiki.org/wiki/Talk:lunch_specialTalk:lunch special2005-10-16T21:46:20Z<p>65.78.119.123: /* MS Paint */</p>
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<div>== MS Paint ==<br />
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I might just be reaching here, but isn't it odd that Strong Bad refers to MS Paint as MS Paint, since there is no evidence that Microsoft or Windows exists in the H*R universe? --[[User:65.101.153.252|65.101.153.252]] 19:57, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:Well, here's your evidence that Microsoft exists in the H*R universe! :) There's also the blue screen of death, and the parody of the Windows '95 shutdown screen. <small><tt>[[User:Homestar Coder|<span style="color:#8B0000;">Aurora the Homestar Coder</span>]]</tt></small> 00:08, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
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The Cheat's Imac proves that Macintosh exists, so why wouldn't Mirosoft?-[[User:Jhonka|Jhonka]]<br />
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== Flooding Bubs Out ==<br />
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It is interesting to see Strong Bad flooding Bubs out since we see in [[geddup noise]] that he has a basement. SB must've poured a lot of water in there! Fast forward candidate?<br />
--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 03:40, 4 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:It seems a little iffy to me... I can hear the revert excuses now: 'Maybe he didn't have the basement yet.' 'Maybe it was sealed too tightly for water to seep in.' But it is an interesting point nonetheless... --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
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::Yeah I thought of those too. I just like to conveniently choose not to hear them ;) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 04:02, 4 Oct 2005 (UTC)</div>65.78.119.123http://hrwiki.org/wiki/Talk:caperTalk:caper2005-10-16T21:42:29Z<p>65.78.119.123: /* Opinion */</p>
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<div>==Opinion==<br />
The best I have seen so far, though the ending was quite awkward. - 82.37.217.206<br />
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*I think so too.-Jhonka</div>65.78.119.123http://hrwiki.org/wiki/Talk:caperTalk:caper2005-10-16T21:41:52Z<p>65.78.119.123: /* Opinion */</p>
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<div>==Opinion==<br />
The best I have seen so far, though the ending was quite awkward. - 82.37.217.206<br />
I think so too.-Jhonka</div>65.78.119.123http://hrwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Teen_Girl_Squad_Issue_8Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 82005-10-15T03:34:58Z<p>65.78.119.123: /* But Only 3 Die! */</p>
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<div>==My comments==<br />
'''I'm 90% sure that's Heartbreaker, i listened to it twice to make sure, if this is true I would say that the 16 hour drumsolo is more of a reference to John Bonham's extensively long drum solos.'''<br />
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'''(What about Cheat Commandos?) '''<br />
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: I don't count that, myself.<br />
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'''This is the only Teen Girl Squad issue to date with no appearance of the man with the big mouth. '''<br />
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: What about Mrs. So-and-so-erson? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 04:49, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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actually, i believe the Kissyboots song is supposed to be Communication Breakdown, but the last three notes are faster than the rest...<br />
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=== Pinebark? ===<br />
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Anyone know what Pinebark is? I did a search online but came up with nadda.<br />
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I think it's just the bark of a pine tree...it makes sense, TGS 3? said that The Ugly One was "Actually Crazy"<br />
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== Three-necked guitar? ==<br />
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I'm no guitar expert (heck, I HATE all genres of popular music), so I used Google. The only picture of a three-necked guitar I found had the three necks parallel. Both Cheerleader's guitar and the Future Retro guitar have the necks non-parallel. In fact, the necks are arranged quite similarly. I would say that HSR (the nonesuch of Flash cartoons) has made a definite reference to Animusic (the nonesuch of music). [[User:mathgrant|mathgrant]] 12:24, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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:Check out the pics [http://www.jemsite.com/axes/model/vai_triple.htm here]. --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 12:29, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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:: Uh-oh. Those are way too similar. Does that mean TBC made a reference to Steve Vai? KILL THEM! ANIMUSIC RULES! ALL OTHER MUSIC SUCKS! [[User:mathgrant|mathgrant]] 12:34, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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:::Whoa, slow down there, hot tub. No need to foam at the mouth about this. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 15:34, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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== "Inexplicably"? ==<br />
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:''inexplicably drawn wearing a derby, sunglasses, a moustache, a tie, and smoking a cigar''<br />
That looked vaguely like a Blues Brothers reference to me. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 12:57, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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::You know, the Blues Brothers immediately sprang to mind (I'm from Chicago, after all), but neither of them had a moustache. I think it was just a general "I'm so cool" defacement from Strong Bad. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 22:04, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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Like I said, it was kind of vague. It seems too close to be a coincidence and yet too far to be deliberate. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 23:24, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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I think she's trying to look like a cheesy manager for a rock band, kind like Colonel Tom Parker was for Elvis... maybe--[[User:Slackerboy|Slackerboy]] 20:40, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== About the Goofs section ==<br />
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*During Kissy Boots' first practice session, both What's Her Face and Cheerleader are playing basses, possibly Fender basses, judging from the arrangement of string keys.<br />
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It seems the 'goof' above is more of a (not so) fun fact rather than a mistake or goof. Can someone explain why there is a "goofs" section for a cartoon based a bunch of drawings supposedly from Strong Bad? I always considered goofs as something strictly associated with movies. That is, goofs are mistakes made during filming of a movie that aren't caught or fixed before the final version. --[[User:The Paper|The Paper]] 15:29, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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** I didn't include the fact in question and did kinda wonder about its inclusion in the "Goofs" category. However, I did create the Fun Facts sub-categories, so I will defend the Goofs section in and of itself. A Goof is what happens when the Bros. Chaps make a mistake (not a Flash mistake, as that would be a Glitch, but a continuity or plot error). The above fact isn't really a "Goof", and I question that the twelve/twenty-sided die fact is a Goof (though it's closer), but yes, Goofs can and do happen in H*R cartoons. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 15:37, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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== TGS Attends CGNU? ==<br />
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Was just wondering, since Strong Bad is the "prinicpal" of the school which the TGS attend, isn't it logical that they attend CGNU? --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 23:48, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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Interesting, but I would prefer a more concrete ref before making it cannon. They seem a bit young to be learning "Home Invasion." [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 16:54, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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I would think that the CGNU plaque would be on the wall behind Strong Bad if it was. --[[User:Whaddaya Know Haddi-man?|Whaddaya Know Haddi-man?]] 16:11, 20 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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That seems questionable, since TGS are fictional, even in the already fictional H*R world. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 17:26, 23 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
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I agree. I was gonna just remove the entry, but decided to reword it to say it's "unclear" if they attend CGNU. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 17:45, 23 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Drum solo ==<br />
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I think the anonymous edit placing John Bonham’s epic drum solo from The Song Remains the Same as being part of "Moby Dick" is correct. Any reference? I haven't seen the movie in ages. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 22:36, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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:Whoops. I was the one who reverted that one. I didn't know there was a song by that title. I just know about the book, so it seemed odd to me to include Moby Dick in a fun fact such as that. Call me Ishmael.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:23, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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== Closed STUFF ==<br />
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===Who's that Drummond? (DECLINED)===<br />
One of The Ugly One's drums bears the inscription, "Mr Drummond," who was a character in the 70's/80's TV show, [[Wikipedia:Diff'rent Strokes|Diff'rent Strokes]]. It may also have been a reference to Bill "King Boy" Drummond of the techno band [[Wikipedia:The KLF|The KLF]]. It may also be a reference to Ryan Drummond, who plays Sonic the Hedgehog in the newer games.<br />
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*'''Decline.''' I really want these TTATOT facts to die. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 20:44, 2 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
**'''Second''' Yeah, TTATOT facts are really bad. I mean, if it's CERTAINLY a reference, it's one thing, but when there is "it also may have been", then it should be DELORTED! --[[User:acekirby13|<font color=green>acekirby13</font>]] 20:47, 2 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
*'''Revise.''' Keep the Diff'rent Strokes reference. Trash the rest. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:49, 2 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
**'''Second''' I invented the term TTATOT, but I don't really know if this qualifies. TTATOT was mostly meant to cover cases where there are a BUNCH of potential things the fact could be referring to, for the same reasons, and they all have equal merit. These two alternatives are unrelated, and I don't think they have equal merit (the Diff'rent Strokes one looks MUCH more likely.) So anyway, yeah, there's my vote. --[[User:Jay|<span style = "color: #9090FF">''Jay''</span>]] [[User talk:Jay|<span style = "color: #006030"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] 21:02, 2 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
**'''Second.''' Definitely a ''Diff'rent Strokes'' reference. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:32, 11 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
*'''Decline all 3.''' Drummond is a somewhat common last name, as this fun fact itself seems to indicate. I don't think it was intended to be a reference at all. They probably just wanted to be silly and give the drum a name that had the word "drum" in it. --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 21:52, 3 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
**'''Second''' TBC does like to be silly with their names, such as their Bill Bellamy schoolbell. While the bell is a specific reference, I'm sure any name with "bell" would have worked. - [[User:Song from 60s|Song from 60s]] 04:11, 11 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
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===Who's that Drummond? Redux (Accepted)=== <br />
"Mr Drummond" refers to Philip Drummond, a character in the '70s/'80s TV show ''[[IMDB:tt0077003|Diff'rent Strokes]]''.<br />
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*'''Accept.''' Resubmitted the de-TTATOT-ized fact with the most likely reference. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 16:16, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
*'''Accept.''' Definitely ''Diff'rent Strokes''. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:43, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
*'''Accept''' This sounds like exactly the sort of thing TGS would reference. -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 20:03, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
*'''Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Accept?''' Was he ever called "Mr. Drummond"? --<span style="color: #adff2f">[[User:Trogga|TROGGA!]]</span> 00:05, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
**Oh yes. Mr. Drummond didn't officially adopt the boys until mid-second season, at which point they started calling him Dad. Until then, they called him Mr. Drummond or "Mr. D". &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:35, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
**'''Second'''-4-up<br />
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===Fender Guitars===<br />
During Kissy Boots' first practice session, both What's Her Face and Cheerleader are playing basses, possibly Fender basses, judging from the arrangement of string keys.<br />
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*'''Rewrite.''' The [[Wikipedia:Machine_head|machine heads]] (tuning keys) on Cheerleader's guitar definitely suggest Fender, but Fender never made guitars with bodies in the Flying V shape -- that shape suggests Gibson (or possibly Epiphone, who make the first good knockoff). It does appear to be a four-string bass, since during the concert, Cheerleader plays (or pretends to play) a multinecked guitar with six machine heads per neck, so it's not just Strong Bad's artistic license. What's her face's guitar (which is, interestingly, left-handed) is much more likely to be a Fender. -- [[User:70.19.78.90|70.19.78.90]]<br />
*Epiphone is owned by Gibson, numbnuts. Therefore, no knockoffs. It's the same guitar. - badamn_187<br />
* badamn, sign your post correctly, or your vote doesn't count. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]]<br />
** kerrek, vote in your post correctly, or your signature doesn't count.<br />
*** anony, stfu with your sarcasm correctly, or your misplaced humor doesn't count. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 08:04, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br />
*Everybody, shuttup, or this fist in your face will count, at... breaking... your teeeth..<br />
BTW, '''Declined''' --[[User: Lappy 486]]<br />
===Facty's Big Chance (DECLINED)=== <br />
Fatty's Big Chance could be a reference to the [http://www.goonland.com Goonland] character "Fatty Big Eye" which looks similar to Fatty's Big Chance.<br />
*'''Decline.''' The names look the same. The characters do not. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 18:55, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br />
**'''OT Comment (wasn't sure where to put this).''' Tomstiff, when you make an edit, you might want to try writing your summary after the asterisk-slash rather than before it. Otherwise, when you click on the entry's arrow on the history page, it won't take you to the proper section on the (rather lengthy) STUFF page. --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 22:43, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br />
*'''Big Fat Decline.''' --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 21:45, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br />
*&quot;insert-random-flash-only-you-know-about&quot; is not a valid source for TBC to reference. '''Hup Hup, Decline''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 03:32, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br />
**'''Second.''' I remember reading TBC don't watch other flash cartoons. I'll put a link to the interview here as soon as I find it. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:47, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br />
**[http://www.retrocrush.com/homestar/index2.html They DO watch other Flash cartoons,] but "Fatty Big Eye"?! More like "Fatty Big '''Decline'''"!! --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:27, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br />
*'''Decline''' Just the word Fatty, I don't think so.<br />
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===Truk (DECLINED)===<br />
In the "Easter Egg" from the exclamation point at the end of episode 8, we see Tompkins wearing a shirt that says "Truk." Truk is the name of a Pacific atoll inhabited by Polynesian peoples. Truk was newsworthy in the 70's for the gang violence there.<br />
*'''Decline.''' This reference is in no way relevant to TGS or H*R. It's explained in the transcript that "Truk" is a misspelling of "truck" as a caption to the poorly-drawn truck on Tompkins shirt. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:00, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)<br />
**'''Second''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:52, 15 Mar 2005 (CST)<br />
**'''Third''' -- [[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 19:37, 6 Apr 2005<br />
*'''Dcln''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 20:50, 10 Apr 2005 (MDT)<br />
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===Soofa Group? (DECLINED)===<br />
The page title "soopa group" is a stretch, but could possibly be a reference to SoofaGroup (http://www.freewebs.com/soofagroup/index.htm). At least that's the only thing that makes any remote sense, and it's doubtful that Soof took their name from this toon. <br />
*'''Decline.''' Or it could just be a silly-slash-funny mis-spelling with no referrence to the real-world. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:30, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)<br />
**'''Second''' It's most likley a play on the words "Super Group". --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:24, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)<br />
***'''Third'd''' I've heard, seen and read Soopa used as Super before. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 04:00, 6 Apr 2005 (MDT)<br />
*'''Decline''' You should have stopped at "stretch" and just hit the back button. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 20:49, 10 Apr 2005 (MDT)<br />
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===The Intercom (Declined)===<br />
The Intercom, who introduces the battle of the bands, may be a reference to [[Wikipedia:Saved by the Bell|Saved by the Bell]], where the character Screech creates a similar-looking robot friend.<br />
*'''Decline.''' This seems like a real stretch. Sometimes an intercom is just an intercom. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:44, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)<br />
*'''Accept.''' TBC [http://www.theinkhole.com/homestar2.htm watch SBTB]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 20:13, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)<br />
*'''Decline''' TBC may watch it. But I still think it's far fetched. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:40, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)<br />
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'''Same subject different reference'''<br />
*The speaker box as the robot's head may be a reference to Roundhouse, an early '90s [[Wikipedia:Nickelodeon (TV channel)|Nickelodeon]] skit comedy show.<br />
**Why was this simply removed instead of getting properly stuffed? Revision as of 16:38, 5 Apr 2005 - 192.156.234.137<br />
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===Guitar -> Shark (Declined)===<br />
The only possible interpretation of the guitar turning into a shark is that a bass (guitar) is being confused with a bass (fish)? Which would be the only reason to say "seaworthy"? Unfortunately there are no references on the Internet to "seaworthy bass". Am I missing some other joke here?<br />
: Or SB's overactive imagination. After all, giant brain machines, suns becoming buzzsaws, and man-eating drums are the norm in TGS... --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 22:45, 18 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
*'''Decline.''' It's not a reference to anything, it's just a regular TGS bizzarre occurrence. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]<br />
**'''Second.''' [[User:Kilroy|<nowiki></nowiki>]]&mdash;[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]/<small><sub>[[User talk:Kilroy|talk]]</sub></small>[[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:16, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
**'''Second''' [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 11:47, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
*Also the fish the bass (guitar) turns into is a shark, not a bass (fish) '''Decline''' &rarr;[[User:evin290|evin290]] 06:54, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
**Though technically a shark isn't a fish, but a mammal.<br />
***Psst... that's whales. Sharks are very much fish. (Not as though that makes this fact any more viable.) --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 15:41, 6 Feb 2005 (MST)<br />
***So I've been misinformed all along, thx for clearing it up for me.<br />
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===You Big Mouth! (Declined)===<br />
This is the only Teen Girl Squad issue to date with no appearance of the man with the big mouth, unless you count Mrs. So-and-so-erson.<br />
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*'''Decline.''' I'm the one who put this one on here. On [[Arrow'd Guy]] character page, it clearly says that he ''is'' Mrs. So-and-so-erson. --[[User:evin290|evin290]]<br />
**But on the [[Mrs. So-and-so-erson]] page, it clearly says that she bears a striking resemblance to the Man with a Huge Mouth. And their synonymity is currenrly being disputed on both [[Talk:Mrs. So-and-so-erson]] and [[Talk:Arrow'd Guy]]. I vote we abstain from voting until a consensus is reached. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]<br />
***Correction: it USED to say she bears a striking resemblance. Somebody decided to remove that text that I added. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 14:13, 20 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
****Well, it seems pretty presumptuous to me. I'm going to change the page to NPOV until we agree over whether they're the same. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]] 09:49, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
*'''Decline.''' I must agree. Actually, I added the "unless you count Mrs. So-and-so-erson" after the fact was added, mostly for that very reason. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 20:35, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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===Math again (Declined)===<br />
"Smartly Pretty" is spelled all in math terms/symbols. Such as a plus sign in place of the "T" in Smartly. This is the second time in which Math has been connected to Teen Girl Squad, with the first example being in the email [[virus]], in which the numbers of PI were an issue number.<br />
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*'''Decline/Rewrite.''' I don't think there's so much a connection between TGS and math; the band name has to do with So and So's being "math crazy." --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 17:59, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
**How about: "Smartly Pretty is spelled with Math terms, which shows So and So's math obsession." --[[User:BegyLips|BegyLips]]<br />
***'''Second''' that. [[User:Kilroy|<nowiki></nowiki>]]&mdash;[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]/<small><sub>[[User talk:Kilroy|talk]]</sub></small>[[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:17, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
*Why not just put it on So and So's bio page as a character quirk? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]<br />
*'''Decline.''' So-and-So is just a nerd. Not notable. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]<br />
**'''Second.''' [[User:Ian|Ian]] 20:37, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
**'''Second''' [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 11:52, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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=== Soulbait (Declined) ===<br />
The Bass Guitar turning into a shark is most likely a reference to the music video Soulbait by Code of Ethics, which features musical intruments turning into fish.<br />
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* I know everybody wants to see their favorite band/reality TV series/collectible card game/leg referenced by TBC, but I'm just not believing that TBC were really making a direct reference to an obscure '90s Christian rock band that doesn't have so much as its own web site. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]<small>&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]</small>[[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 21:52, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
**'''Second.''' That is, '''Decline''' for reasons stated above. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 22:00, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
**'''Second.''' But if this one gets removed, we're going to seriously have to take a look at some of the other Real life references that DID make the list (like the Saved by the Bell and Nickelodeon ones) that have even less to go on. - [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]<br />
**If you think other facts should be removed, Donny, then put them on this page. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]<small>&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]</small>[[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 12:19, 18 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
**Meh, doesn't matter that much. But if you are going to dismiss someone's fun fact on the grounds that its obscure, it really is only fair to go after equally obscure ones.[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]<br />
**'''Decline''' for reasons stated above. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 11:54, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
*'''Accept''' Makes sense to me--[[User:205.174.123.14|205.174.123.14]] 14:33, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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=== CGNU (Declined) ===<br />
The Girls probably go to CGNU, where Strong bad is the principal.<br />
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*'''Decline.''' It's been stated that they're in eighth grade (despite the "I'M FIVE YEARS OLDER AND IN COLLEGE!!!" from Cheerleader). At most, they're at the didn't-exist-until-I-started-typing-just-now Crazy Go Nuts Prep Academy, but it's much more likely that Strong Bad was just writing himself in to be cool. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 18:56, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
**'''Second.''' [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 12:00, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]<br />
**'''Second.''' --[[User:yeahyeah|yeahyeah]]<br />
*'''Decline.''', as CGNU is meant to be a college of some sort (thus the "university").[[User:Donny vs Universe|# Donny vs Universe]]<br />
*'''Rewrite, accept.''' I think this is clearly a reference to Strong Bad being the principal of CGNU. Perhaps saying something about that without saying that they go there would be more appropriate. [[User:209.175.21.2|209.175.21.2]]<br />
**'''Second''' It's more of a reference to Strong Bad being the ''prinicpal'' of CGNU. :) Seriously though, this is a legitimate reference - the misspelling of "principal" is intentional. Perhaps a reference to the misspelling in the CGNU e-mail should go on the TGS8 page, while a mention of Strong Bad being "prinicpal" at both CGNU and the school attended by TGS should go on Strong Bad's bio page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:42, 13 Feb 2005 (MST)<br />
*'''Unsure''' CGNU could offer 8th grade as well as 9-12, seeing as how some American schools offer that for certain financial reasons. -Walking Armless<br />
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== Kissy Boots guitar riff ==<br />
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The guitar rift in the backround of the Kissy Boots song is from Paranoid by Black Sabbath.<br />
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== But Only 3 Die! ==<br />
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We don't know for sure if Cheerleader died. When something you own is destroyed, like say your guitar or the bass guitar you probably bought, you could say "aw crap," right? Just because the shark clearly shomped something ate something doesn't mean it was her life that she said aw crap over.we cannot make the assumption that all 4 girls are dead. <br />
-Helios Rex<br />
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Oh, yes we can! At the end, Cheerleader sang, "Everybody died 'cept me!!" The shark then chomped on something and Cheerleader said, "Aw, crap!" From this evidence, we can safely assume that the shark ate and killed Cheerleader. This is [[Wikipedia:irony|ironic]] because she celebrates the fact she didn't die...before being eaten by a shark! - [[User:The Chort|The Chort]] 15:13, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)<br />
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The thing under trivia said that this is the only one where they all clearly die. The death of Cheerleader is not clear. -- [[User:Jhonka|Jhonka]]</div>65.78.119.123http://hrwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Teen_Girl_Squad_Issue_8Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 82005-10-15T03:30:06Z<p>65.78.119.123: /* TGS Attends CGNU? */</p>
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<div>==My comments==<br />
'''I'm 90% sure that's Heartbreaker, i listened to it twice to make sure, if this is true I would say that the 16 hour drumsolo is more of a reference to John Bonham's extensively long drum solos.'''<br />
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'''(What about Cheat Commandos?) '''<br />
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: I don't count that, myself.<br />
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'''This is the only Teen Girl Squad issue to date with no appearance of the man with the big mouth. '''<br />
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: What about Mrs. So-and-so-erson? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 04:49, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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actually, i believe the Kissyboots song is supposed to be Communication Breakdown, but the last three notes are faster than the rest...<br />
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=== Pinebark? ===<br />
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Anyone know what Pinebark is? I did a search online but came up with nadda.<br />
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I think it's just the bark of a pine tree...it makes sense, TGS 3? said that The Ugly One was "Actually Crazy"<br />
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== Three-necked guitar? ==<br />
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I'm no guitar expert (heck, I HATE all genres of popular music), so I used Google. The only picture of a three-necked guitar I found had the three necks parallel. Both Cheerleader's guitar and the Future Retro guitar have the necks non-parallel. In fact, the necks are arranged quite similarly. I would say that HSR (the nonesuch of Flash cartoons) has made a definite reference to Animusic (the nonesuch of music). [[User:mathgrant|mathgrant]] 12:24, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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:Check out the pics [http://www.jemsite.com/axes/model/vai_triple.htm here]. --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 12:29, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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:: Uh-oh. Those are way too similar. Does that mean TBC made a reference to Steve Vai? KILL THEM! ANIMUSIC RULES! ALL OTHER MUSIC SUCKS! [[User:mathgrant|mathgrant]] 12:34, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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:::Whoa, slow down there, hot tub. No need to foam at the mouth about this. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 15:34, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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== "Inexplicably"? ==<br />
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:''inexplicably drawn wearing a derby, sunglasses, a moustache, a tie, and smoking a cigar''<br />
That looked vaguely like a Blues Brothers reference to me. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 12:57, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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::You know, the Blues Brothers immediately sprang to mind (I'm from Chicago, after all), but neither of them had a moustache. I think it was just a general "I'm so cool" defacement from Strong Bad. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 22:04, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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Like I said, it was kind of vague. It seems too close to be a coincidence and yet too far to be deliberate. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 23:24, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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I think she's trying to look like a cheesy manager for a rock band, kind like Colonel Tom Parker was for Elvis... maybe--[[User:Slackerboy|Slackerboy]] 20:40, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== About the Goofs section ==<br />
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*During Kissy Boots' first practice session, both What's Her Face and Cheerleader are playing basses, possibly Fender basses, judging from the arrangement of string keys.<br />
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It seems the 'goof' above is more of a (not so) fun fact rather than a mistake or goof. Can someone explain why there is a "goofs" section for a cartoon based a bunch of drawings supposedly from Strong Bad? I always considered goofs as something strictly associated with movies. That is, goofs are mistakes made during filming of a movie that aren't caught or fixed before the final version. --[[User:The Paper|The Paper]] 15:29, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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** I didn't include the fact in question and did kinda wonder about its inclusion in the "Goofs" category. However, I did create the Fun Facts sub-categories, so I will defend the Goofs section in and of itself. A Goof is what happens when the Bros. Chaps make a mistake (not a Flash mistake, as that would be a Glitch, but a continuity or plot error). The above fact isn't really a "Goof", and I question that the twelve/twenty-sided die fact is a Goof (though it's closer), but yes, Goofs can and do happen in H*R cartoons. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 15:37, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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== TGS Attends CGNU? ==<br />
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Was just wondering, since Strong Bad is the "prinicpal" of the school which the TGS attend, isn't it logical that they attend CGNU? --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 23:48, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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Interesting, but I would prefer a more concrete ref before making it cannon. They seem a bit young to be learning "Home Invasion." [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 16:54, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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I would think that the CGNU plaque would be on the wall behind Strong Bad if it was. --[[User:Whaddaya Know Haddi-man?|Whaddaya Know Haddi-man?]] 16:11, 20 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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That seems questionable, since TGS are fictional, even in the already fictional H*R world. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 17:26, 23 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
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I agree. I was gonna just remove the entry, but decided to reword it to say it's "unclear" if they attend CGNU. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 17:45, 23 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Drum solo ==<br />
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I think the anonymous edit placing John Bonham’s epic drum solo from The Song Remains the Same as being part of "Moby Dick" is correct. Any reference? I haven't seen the movie in ages. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 22:36, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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:Whoops. I was the one who reverted that one. I didn't know there was a song by that title. I just know about the book, so it seemed odd to me to include Moby Dick in a fun fact such as that. Call me Ishmael.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:23, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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== Closed STUFF ==<br />
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===Who's that Drummond? (DECLINED)===<br />
One of The Ugly One's drums bears the inscription, "Mr Drummond," who was a character in the 70's/80's TV show, [[Wikipedia:Diff'rent Strokes|Diff'rent Strokes]]. It may also have been a reference to Bill "King Boy" Drummond of the techno band [[Wikipedia:The KLF|The KLF]]. It may also be a reference to Ryan Drummond, who plays Sonic the Hedgehog in the newer games.<br />
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*'''Decline.''' I really want these TTATOT facts to die. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 20:44, 2 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
**'''Second''' Yeah, TTATOT facts are really bad. I mean, if it's CERTAINLY a reference, it's one thing, but when there is "it also may have been", then it should be DELORTED! --[[User:acekirby13|<font color=green>acekirby13</font>]] 20:47, 2 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
*'''Revise.''' Keep the Diff'rent Strokes reference. Trash the rest. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:49, 2 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
**'''Second''' I invented the term TTATOT, but I don't really know if this qualifies. TTATOT was mostly meant to cover cases where there are a BUNCH of potential things the fact could be referring to, for the same reasons, and they all have equal merit. These two alternatives are unrelated, and I don't think they have equal merit (the Diff'rent Strokes one looks MUCH more likely.) So anyway, yeah, there's my vote. --[[User:Jay|<span style = "color: #9090FF">''Jay''</span>]] [[User talk:Jay|<span style = "color: #006030"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] 21:02, 2 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
**'''Second.''' Definitely a ''Diff'rent Strokes'' reference. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:32, 11 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
*'''Decline all 3.''' Drummond is a somewhat common last name, as this fun fact itself seems to indicate. I don't think it was intended to be a reference at all. They probably just wanted to be silly and give the drum a name that had the word "drum" in it. --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 21:52, 3 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
**'''Second''' TBC does like to be silly with their names, such as their Bill Bellamy schoolbell. While the bell is a specific reference, I'm sure any name with "bell" would have worked. - [[User:Song from 60s|Song from 60s]] 04:11, 11 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
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===Who's that Drummond? Redux (Accepted)=== <br />
"Mr Drummond" refers to Philip Drummond, a character in the '70s/'80s TV show ''[[IMDB:tt0077003|Diff'rent Strokes]]''.<br />
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*'''Accept.''' Resubmitted the de-TTATOT-ized fact with the most likely reference. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 16:16, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
*'''Accept.''' Definitely ''Diff'rent Strokes''. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:43, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
*'''Accept''' This sounds like exactly the sort of thing TGS would reference. -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 20:03, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
*'''Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Accept?''' Was he ever called "Mr. Drummond"? --<span style="color: #adff2f">[[User:Trogga|TROGGA!]]</span> 00:05, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
**Oh yes. Mr. Drummond didn't officially adopt the boys until mid-second season, at which point they started calling him Dad. Until then, they called him Mr. Drummond or "Mr. D". &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:35, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
**'''Second'''-4-up<br />
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===Fender Guitars===<br />
During Kissy Boots' first practice session, both What's Her Face and Cheerleader are playing basses, possibly Fender basses, judging from the arrangement of string keys.<br />
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*'''Rewrite.''' The [[Wikipedia:Machine_head|machine heads]] (tuning keys) on Cheerleader's guitar definitely suggest Fender, but Fender never made guitars with bodies in the Flying V shape -- that shape suggests Gibson (or possibly Epiphone, who make the first good knockoff). It does appear to be a four-string bass, since during the concert, Cheerleader plays (or pretends to play) a multinecked guitar with six machine heads per neck, so it's not just Strong Bad's artistic license. What's her face's guitar (which is, interestingly, left-handed) is much more likely to be a Fender. -- [[User:70.19.78.90|70.19.78.90]]<br />
*Epiphone is owned by Gibson, numbnuts. Therefore, no knockoffs. It's the same guitar. - badamn_187<br />
* badamn, sign your post correctly, or your vote doesn't count. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]]<br />
** kerrek, vote in your post correctly, or your signature doesn't count.<br />
*** anony, stfu with your sarcasm correctly, or your misplaced humor doesn't count. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 08:04, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br />
*Everybody, shuttup, or this fist in your face will count, at... breaking... your teeeth..<br />
BTW, '''Declined''' --[[User: Lappy 486]]<br />
===Facty's Big Chance (DECLINED)=== <br />
Fatty's Big Chance could be a reference to the [http://www.goonland.com Goonland] character "Fatty Big Eye" which looks similar to Fatty's Big Chance.<br />
*'''Decline.''' The names look the same. The characters do not. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 18:55, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br />
**'''OT Comment (wasn't sure where to put this).''' Tomstiff, when you make an edit, you might want to try writing your summary after the asterisk-slash rather than before it. Otherwise, when you click on the entry's arrow on the history page, it won't take you to the proper section on the (rather lengthy) STUFF page. --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 22:43, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br />
*'''Big Fat Decline.''' --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 21:45, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br />
*&quot;insert-random-flash-only-you-know-about&quot; is not a valid source for TBC to reference. '''Hup Hup, Decline''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 03:32, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br />
**'''Second.''' I remember reading TBC don't watch other flash cartoons. I'll put a link to the interview here as soon as I find it. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:47, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br />
**[http://www.retrocrush.com/homestar/index2.html They DO watch other Flash cartoons,] but "Fatty Big Eye"?! More like "Fatty Big '''Decline'''"!! --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:27, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br />
*'''Decline''' Just the word Fatty, I don't think so.<br />
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===Truk (DECLINED)===<br />
In the "Easter Egg" from the exclamation point at the end of episode 8, we see Tompkins wearing a shirt that says "Truk." Truk is the name of a Pacific atoll inhabited by Polynesian peoples. Truk was newsworthy in the 70's for the gang violence there.<br />
*'''Decline.''' This reference is in no way relevant to TGS or H*R. It's explained in the transcript that "Truk" is a misspelling of "truck" as a caption to the poorly-drawn truck on Tompkins shirt. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:00, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)<br />
**'''Second''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:52, 15 Mar 2005 (CST)<br />
**'''Third''' -- [[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 19:37, 6 Apr 2005<br />
*'''Dcln''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 20:50, 10 Apr 2005 (MDT)<br />
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===Soofa Group? (DECLINED)===<br />
The page title "soopa group" is a stretch, but could possibly be a reference to SoofaGroup (http://www.freewebs.com/soofagroup/index.htm). At least that's the only thing that makes any remote sense, and it's doubtful that Soof took their name from this toon. <br />
*'''Decline.''' Or it could just be a silly-slash-funny mis-spelling with no referrence to the real-world. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:30, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)<br />
**'''Second''' It's most likley a play on the words "Super Group". --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:24, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)<br />
***'''Third'd''' I've heard, seen and read Soopa used as Super before. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 04:00, 6 Apr 2005 (MDT)<br />
*'''Decline''' You should have stopped at "stretch" and just hit the back button. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 20:49, 10 Apr 2005 (MDT)<br />
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===The Intercom (Declined)===<br />
The Intercom, who introduces the battle of the bands, may be a reference to [[Wikipedia:Saved by the Bell|Saved by the Bell]], where the character Screech creates a similar-looking robot friend.<br />
*'''Decline.''' This seems like a real stretch. Sometimes an intercom is just an intercom. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:44, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)<br />
*'''Accept.''' TBC [http://www.theinkhole.com/homestar2.htm watch SBTB]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 20:13, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)<br />
*'''Decline''' TBC may watch it. But I still think it's far fetched. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:40, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)<br />
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'''Same subject different reference'''<br />
*The speaker box as the robot's head may be a reference to Roundhouse, an early '90s [[Wikipedia:Nickelodeon (TV channel)|Nickelodeon]] skit comedy show.<br />
**Why was this simply removed instead of getting properly stuffed? Revision as of 16:38, 5 Apr 2005 - 192.156.234.137<br />
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===Guitar -> Shark (Declined)===<br />
The only possible interpretation of the guitar turning into a shark is that a bass (guitar) is being confused with a bass (fish)? Which would be the only reason to say "seaworthy"? Unfortunately there are no references on the Internet to "seaworthy bass". Am I missing some other joke here?<br />
: Or SB's overactive imagination. After all, giant brain machines, suns becoming buzzsaws, and man-eating drums are the norm in TGS... --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 22:45, 18 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
*'''Decline.''' It's not a reference to anything, it's just a regular TGS bizzarre occurrence. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]<br />
**'''Second.''' [[User:Kilroy|<nowiki></nowiki>]]&mdash;[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]/<small><sub>[[User talk:Kilroy|talk]]</sub></small>[[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:16, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
**'''Second''' [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 11:47, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
*Also the fish the bass (guitar) turns into is a shark, not a bass (fish) '''Decline''' &rarr;[[User:evin290|evin290]] 06:54, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
**Though technically a shark isn't a fish, but a mammal.<br />
***Psst... that's whales. Sharks are very much fish. (Not as though that makes this fact any more viable.) --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 15:41, 6 Feb 2005 (MST)<br />
***So I've been misinformed all along, thx for clearing it up for me.<br />
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===You Big Mouth! (Declined)===<br />
This is the only Teen Girl Squad issue to date with no appearance of the man with the big mouth, unless you count Mrs. So-and-so-erson.<br />
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*'''Decline.''' I'm the one who put this one on here. On [[Arrow'd Guy]] character page, it clearly says that he ''is'' Mrs. So-and-so-erson. --[[User:evin290|evin290]]<br />
**But on the [[Mrs. So-and-so-erson]] page, it clearly says that she bears a striking resemblance to the Man with a Huge Mouth. And their synonymity is currenrly being disputed on both [[Talk:Mrs. So-and-so-erson]] and [[Talk:Arrow'd Guy]]. I vote we abstain from voting until a consensus is reached. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]<br />
***Correction: it USED to say she bears a striking resemblance. Somebody decided to remove that text that I added. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 14:13, 20 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
****Well, it seems pretty presumptuous to me. I'm going to change the page to NPOV until we agree over whether they're the same. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]] 09:49, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
*'''Decline.''' I must agree. Actually, I added the "unless you count Mrs. So-and-so-erson" after the fact was added, mostly for that very reason. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 20:35, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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===Math again (Declined)===<br />
"Smartly Pretty" is spelled all in math terms/symbols. Such as a plus sign in place of the "T" in Smartly. This is the second time in which Math has been connected to Teen Girl Squad, with the first example being in the email [[virus]], in which the numbers of PI were an issue number.<br />
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*'''Decline/Rewrite.''' I don't think there's so much a connection between TGS and math; the band name has to do with So and So's being "math crazy." --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 17:59, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
**How about: "Smartly Pretty is spelled with Math terms, which shows So and So's math obsession." --[[User:BegyLips|BegyLips]]<br />
***'''Second''' that. [[User:Kilroy|<nowiki></nowiki>]]&mdash;[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]/<small><sub>[[User talk:Kilroy|talk]]</sub></small>[[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:17, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
*Why not just put it on So and So's bio page as a character quirk? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]<br />
*'''Decline.''' So-and-So is just a nerd. Not notable. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]<br />
**'''Second.''' [[User:Ian|Ian]] 20:37, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
**'''Second''' [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 11:52, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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=== Soulbait (Declined) ===<br />
The Bass Guitar turning into a shark is most likely a reference to the music video Soulbait by Code of Ethics, which features musical intruments turning into fish.<br />
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* I know everybody wants to see their favorite band/reality TV series/collectible card game/leg referenced by TBC, but I'm just not believing that TBC were really making a direct reference to an obscure '90s Christian rock band that doesn't have so much as its own web site. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]<small>&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]</small>[[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 21:52, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
**'''Second.''' That is, '''Decline''' for reasons stated above. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 22:00, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
**'''Second.''' But if this one gets removed, we're going to seriously have to take a look at some of the other Real life references that DID make the list (like the Saved by the Bell and Nickelodeon ones) that have even less to go on. - [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]<br />
**If you think other facts should be removed, Donny, then put them on this page. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]<small>&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]</small>[[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 12:19, 18 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
**Meh, doesn't matter that much. But if you are going to dismiss someone's fun fact on the grounds that its obscure, it really is only fair to go after equally obscure ones.[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]<br />
**'''Decline''' for reasons stated above. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 11:54, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
*'''Accept''' Makes sense to me--[[User:205.174.123.14|205.174.123.14]] 14:33, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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=== CGNU (Declined) ===<br />
The Girls probably go to CGNU, where Strong bad is the principal.<br />
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*'''Decline.''' It's been stated that they're in eighth grade (despite the "I'M FIVE YEARS OLDER AND IN COLLEGE!!!" from Cheerleader). At most, they're at the didn't-exist-until-I-started-typing-just-now Crazy Go Nuts Prep Academy, but it's much more likely that Strong Bad was just writing himself in to be cool. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 18:56, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
**'''Second.''' [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 12:00, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]<br />
**'''Second.''' --[[User:yeahyeah|yeahyeah]]<br />
*'''Decline.''', as CGNU is meant to be a college of some sort (thus the "university").[[User:Donny vs Universe|# Donny vs Universe]]<br />
*'''Rewrite, accept.''' I think this is clearly a reference to Strong Bad being the principal of CGNU. Perhaps saying something about that without saying that they go there would be more appropriate. [[User:209.175.21.2|209.175.21.2]]<br />
**'''Second''' It's more of a reference to Strong Bad being the ''prinicpal'' of CGNU. :) Seriously though, this is a legitimate reference - the misspelling of "principal" is intentional. Perhaps a reference to the misspelling in the CGNU e-mail should go on the TGS8 page, while a mention of Strong Bad being "prinicpal" at both CGNU and the school attended by TGS should go on Strong Bad's bio page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:42, 13 Feb 2005 (MST)<br />
*'''Unsure''' CGNU could offer 8th grade as well as 9-12, seeing as how some American schools offer that for certain financial reasons. -Walking Armless<br />
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== Kissy Boots guitar riff ==<br />
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The guitar rift in the backround of the Kissy Boots song is from Paranoid by Black Sabbath.<br />
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== But Only 3 Die! ==<br />
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We don't know for sure if Cheerleader died. When something you own is destroyed, like say your guitar or the bass guitar you probably bought, you could say "aw crap," right? Just because the shark clearly shomped something ate something doesn't mean it was her life that she said aw crap over.we cannot make the assumption that all 4 girls are dead. <br />
-Helios Rex<br />
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Oh, yes we can! At the end, Cheerleader sang, "Everybody died 'cept me!!" The shark then chomped on something and Cheerleader said, "Aw, crap!" From this evidence, we can safely assume that the shark ate and killed Cheerleader. This is [[Wikipedia:irony|ironic]] because she celebrates the fact she didn't die...before being eaten by a shark! - [[User:The Chort|The Chort]] 15:13, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)</div>65.78.119.123http://hrwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Teen_Girl_Squad_Issue_8Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 82005-10-15T03:25:51Z<p>65.78.119.123: /* TGS Attends CGNU? */</p>
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<div>==My comments==<br />
'''I'm 90% sure that's Heartbreaker, i listened to it twice to make sure, if this is true I would say that the 16 hour drumsolo is more of a reference to John Bonham's extensively long drum solos.'''<br />
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'''(What about Cheat Commandos?) '''<br />
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: I don't count that, myself.<br />
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'''This is the only Teen Girl Squad issue to date with no appearance of the man with the big mouth. '''<br />
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: What about Mrs. So-and-so-erson? --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 04:49, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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actually, i believe the Kissyboots song is supposed to be Communication Breakdown, but the last three notes are faster than the rest...<br />
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=== Pinebark? ===<br />
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Anyone know what Pinebark is? I did a search online but came up with nadda.<br />
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I think it's just the bark of a pine tree...it makes sense, TGS 3? said that The Ugly One was "Actually Crazy"<br />
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== Three-necked guitar? ==<br />
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I'm no guitar expert (heck, I HATE all genres of popular music), so I used Google. The only picture of a three-necked guitar I found had the three necks parallel. Both Cheerleader's guitar and the Future Retro guitar have the necks non-parallel. In fact, the necks are arranged quite similarly. I would say that HSR (the nonesuch of Flash cartoons) has made a definite reference to Animusic (the nonesuch of music). [[User:mathgrant|mathgrant]] 12:24, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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:Check out the pics [http://www.jemsite.com/axes/model/vai_triple.htm here]. --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 12:29, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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:: Uh-oh. Those are way too similar. Does that mean TBC made a reference to Steve Vai? KILL THEM! ANIMUSIC RULES! ALL OTHER MUSIC SUCKS! [[User:mathgrant|mathgrant]] 12:34, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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:::Whoa, slow down there, hot tub. No need to foam at the mouth about this. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 15:34, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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== "Inexplicably"? ==<br />
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:''inexplicably drawn wearing a derby, sunglasses, a moustache, a tie, and smoking a cigar''<br />
That looked vaguely like a Blues Brothers reference to me. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 12:57, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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::You know, the Blues Brothers immediately sprang to mind (I'm from Chicago, after all), but neither of them had a moustache. I think it was just a general "I'm so cool" defacement from Strong Bad. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 22:04, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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Like I said, it was kind of vague. It seems too close to be a coincidence and yet too far to be deliberate. -- [[User:Cyrius|Cyrius]] 23:24, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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I think she's trying to look like a cheesy manager for a rock band, kind like Colonel Tom Parker was for Elvis... maybe--[[User:Slackerboy|Slackerboy]] 20:40, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== About the Goofs section ==<br />
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*During Kissy Boots' first practice session, both What's Her Face and Cheerleader are playing basses, possibly Fender basses, judging from the arrangement of string keys.<br />
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It seems the 'goof' above is more of a (not so) fun fact rather than a mistake or goof. Can someone explain why there is a "goofs" section for a cartoon based a bunch of drawings supposedly from Strong Bad? I always considered goofs as something strictly associated with movies. That is, goofs are mistakes made during filming of a movie that aren't caught or fixed before the final version. --[[User:The Paper|The Paper]] 15:29, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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** I didn't include the fact in question and did kinda wonder about its inclusion in the "Goofs" category. However, I did create the Fun Facts sub-categories, so I will defend the Goofs section in and of itself. A Goof is what happens when the Bros. Chaps make a mistake (not a Flash mistake, as that would be a Glitch, but a continuity or plot error). The above fact isn't really a "Goof", and I question that the twelve/twenty-sided die fact is a Goof (though it's closer), but yes, Goofs can and do happen in H*R cartoons. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 15:37, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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== TGS Attends CGNU? ==<br />
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Was just wondering, since Strong Bad is the "prinicpal" of the school which the TGS attend, isn't it logical that they attend CGNU? --[[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]] 23:48, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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Interesting, but I would prefer a more concrete ref before making it cannon. They seem a bit young to be learning "Home Invasion." [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 16:54, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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I would think that the CGNU plaque would be on the wall behind Strong Bad if it was. --[[User:Whaddaya Know Haddi-man?|Whaddaya Know Haddi-man?]] 16:11, 20 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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That seems questionable, since TGS are fictional, even in the already fictional H*R world. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 17:26, 23 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
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I agree. I was gonna just remove the entry, but decided to reword it to say it's "unclear" if they attend CGNU. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 17:45, 23 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
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According to issue 5 the TGS is in eigth grade so they would not be attending a university.- [[User:Jhonka|Jhonka]]<br />
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== Drum solo ==<br />
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I think the anonymous edit placing John Bonham’s epic drum solo from The Song Remains the Same as being part of "Moby Dick" is correct. Any reference? I haven't seen the movie in ages. [[User:Drhaggis|<nowiki></nowiki>]]- [[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] - [[User talk: Drhaggis|Talk]] 22:36, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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:Whoops. I was the one who reverted that one. I didn't know there was a song by that title. I just know about the book, so it seemed odd to me to include Moby Dick in a fun fact such as that. Call me Ishmael.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:23, 25 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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== Closed STUFF ==<br />
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===Who's that Drummond? (DECLINED)===<br />
One of The Ugly One's drums bears the inscription, "Mr Drummond," who was a character in the 70's/80's TV show, [[Wikipedia:Diff'rent Strokes|Diff'rent Strokes]]. It may also have been a reference to Bill "King Boy" Drummond of the techno band [[Wikipedia:The KLF|The KLF]]. It may also be a reference to Ryan Drummond, who plays Sonic the Hedgehog in the newer games.<br />
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*'''Decline.''' I really want these TTATOT facts to die. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 20:44, 2 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
**'''Second''' Yeah, TTATOT facts are really bad. I mean, if it's CERTAINLY a reference, it's one thing, but when there is "it also may have been", then it should be DELORTED! --[[User:acekirby13|<font color=green>acekirby13</font>]] 20:47, 2 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
*'''Revise.''' Keep the Diff'rent Strokes reference. Trash the rest. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 20:49, 2 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
**'''Second''' I invented the term TTATOT, but I don't really know if this qualifies. TTATOT was mostly meant to cover cases where there are a BUNCH of potential things the fact could be referring to, for the same reasons, and they all have equal merit. These two alternatives are unrelated, and I don't think they have equal merit (the Diff'rent Strokes one looks MUCH more likely.) So anyway, yeah, there's my vote. --[[User:Jay|<span style = "color: #9090FF">''Jay''</span>]] [[User talk:Jay|<span style = "color: #006030"><small>(Talk)</small></span>]] 21:02, 2 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
**'''Second.''' Definitely a ''Diff'rent Strokes'' reference. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:32, 11 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
*'''Decline all 3.''' Drummond is a somewhat common last name, as this fun fact itself seems to indicate. I don't think it was intended to be a reference at all. They probably just wanted to be silly and give the drum a name that had the word "drum" in it. --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 21:52, 3 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
**'''Second''' TBC does like to be silly with their names, such as their Bill Bellamy schoolbell. While the bell is a specific reference, I'm sure any name with "bell" would have worked. - [[User:Song from 60s|Song from 60s]] 04:11, 11 May 2005 (UTC)<br />
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===Who's that Drummond? Redux (Accepted)=== <br />
"Mr Drummond" refers to Philip Drummond, a character in the '70s/'80s TV show ''[[IMDB:tt0077003|Diff'rent Strokes]]''.<br />
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*'''Accept.''' Resubmitted the de-TTATOT-ized fact with the most likely reference. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 16:16, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
*'''Accept.''' Definitely ''Diff'rent Strokes''. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:43, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
*'''Accept''' This sounds like exactly the sort of thing TGS would reference. -- [[User:Tony Stony|Tony Stony]] 20:03, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
*'''Whatchoo talkin' 'bout, Accept?''' Was he ever called "Mr. Drummond"? --<span style="color: #adff2f">[[User:Trogga|TROGGA!]]</span> 00:05, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
**Oh yes. Mr. Drummond didn't officially adopt the boys until mid-second season, at which point they started calling him Dad. Until then, they called him Mr. Drummond or "Mr. D". &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:35, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)<br />
**'''Second'''-4-up<br />
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===Fender Guitars===<br />
During Kissy Boots' first practice session, both What's Her Face and Cheerleader are playing basses, possibly Fender basses, judging from the arrangement of string keys.<br />
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*'''Rewrite.''' The [[Wikipedia:Machine_head|machine heads]] (tuning keys) on Cheerleader's guitar definitely suggest Fender, but Fender never made guitars with bodies in the Flying V shape -- that shape suggests Gibson (or possibly Epiphone, who make the first good knockoff). It does appear to be a four-string bass, since during the concert, Cheerleader plays (or pretends to play) a multinecked guitar with six machine heads per neck, so it's not just Strong Bad's artistic license. What's her face's guitar (which is, interestingly, left-handed) is much more likely to be a Fender. -- [[User:70.19.78.90|70.19.78.90]]<br />
*Epiphone is owned by Gibson, numbnuts. Therefore, no knockoffs. It's the same guitar. - badamn_187<br />
* badamn, sign your post correctly, or your vote doesn't count. [[User:ISlayedTheKerrek|ISlayedTheKerrek]]<br />
** kerrek, vote in your post correctly, or your signature doesn't count.<br />
*** anony, stfu with your sarcasm correctly, or your misplaced humor doesn't count. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 08:04, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br />
*Everybody, shuttup, or this fist in your face will count, at... breaking... your teeeth..<br />
BTW, '''Declined''' --[[User: Lappy 486]]<br />
===Facty's Big Chance (DECLINED)=== <br />
Fatty's Big Chance could be a reference to the [http://www.goonland.com Goonland] character "Fatty Big Eye" which looks similar to Fatty's Big Chance.<br />
*'''Decline.''' The names look the same. The characters do not. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 18:55, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br />
**'''OT Comment (wasn't sure where to put this).''' Tomstiff, when you make an edit, you might want to try writing your summary after the asterisk-slash rather than before it. Otherwise, when you click on the entry's arrow on the history page, it won't take you to the proper section on the (rather lengthy) STUFF page. --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 22:43, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br />
*'''Big Fat Decline.''' --[[User:Beatfox|Beatfox]] 21:45, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br />
*&quot;insert-random-flash-only-you-know-about&quot; is not a valid source for TBC to reference. '''Hup Hup, Decline''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 03:32, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br />
**'''Second.''' I remember reading TBC don't watch other flash cartoons. I'll put a link to the interview here as soon as I find it. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:47, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br />
**[http://www.retrocrush.com/homestar/index2.html They DO watch other Flash cartoons,] but "Fatty Big Eye"?! More like "Fatty Big '''Decline'''"!! --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 16:27, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)<br />
*'''Decline''' Just the word Fatty, I don't think so.<br />
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===Truk (DECLINED)===<br />
In the "Easter Egg" from the exclamation point at the end of episode 8, we see Tompkins wearing a shirt that says "Truk." Truk is the name of a Pacific atoll inhabited by Polynesian peoples. Truk was newsworthy in the 70's for the gang violence there.<br />
*'''Decline.''' This reference is in no way relevant to TGS or H*R. It's explained in the transcript that "Truk" is a misspelling of "truck" as a caption to the poorly-drawn truck on Tompkins shirt. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 23:00, 14 Mar 2005 (MST)<br />
**'''Second''' -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:52, 15 Mar 2005 (CST)<br />
**'''Third''' -- [[User:Kiwi|Kiwi]] 19:37, 6 Apr 2005<br />
*'''Dcln''' [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 20:50, 10 Apr 2005 (MDT)<br />
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===Soofa Group? (DECLINED)===<br />
The page title "soopa group" is a stretch, but could possibly be a reference to SoofaGroup (http://www.freewebs.com/soofagroup/index.htm). At least that's the only thing that makes any remote sense, and it's doubtful that Soof took their name from this toon. <br />
*'''Decline.''' Or it could just be a silly-slash-funny mis-spelling with no referrence to the real-world. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:30, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)<br />
**'''Second''' It's most likley a play on the words "Super Group". --[[User:acekirby13|acekirby13]] 19:24, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)<br />
***'''Third'd''' I've heard, seen and read Soopa used as Super before. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 04:00, 6 Apr 2005 (MDT)<br />
*'''Decline''' You should have stopped at "stretch" and just hit the back button. [[User:Dasrik|Dasrik]] 20:49, 10 Apr 2005 (MDT)<br />
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===The Intercom (Declined)===<br />
The Intercom, who introduces the battle of the bands, may be a reference to [[Wikipedia:Saved by the Bell|Saved by the Bell]], where the character Screech creates a similar-looking robot friend.<br />
*'''Decline.''' This seems like a real stretch. Sometimes an intercom is just an intercom. -- [[User:tomstiff|tomstiff]] 08:44, 24 Mar 2005 (MST)<br />
*'''Accept.''' TBC [http://www.theinkhole.com/homestar2.htm watch SBTB]. --[[User:Trogga|Trogga]] 20:13, 29 Mar 2005 (MST)<br />
*'''Decline''' TBC may watch it. But I still think it's far fetched. [[User:Kvb|Kvb]] 14:40, 1 Apr 2005 (MST)<br />
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'''Same subject different reference'''<br />
*The speaker box as the robot's head may be a reference to Roundhouse, an early '90s [[Wikipedia:Nickelodeon (TV channel)|Nickelodeon]] skit comedy show.<br />
**Why was this simply removed instead of getting properly stuffed? Revision as of 16:38, 5 Apr 2005 - 192.156.234.137<br />
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===Guitar -> Shark (Declined)===<br />
The only possible interpretation of the guitar turning into a shark is that a bass (guitar) is being confused with a bass (fish)? Which would be the only reason to say "seaworthy"? Unfortunately there are no references on the Internet to "seaworthy bass". Am I missing some other joke here?<br />
: Or SB's overactive imagination. After all, giant brain machines, suns becoming buzzsaws, and man-eating drums are the norm in TGS... --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 22:45, 18 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
*'''Decline.''' It's not a reference to anything, it's just a regular TGS bizzarre occurrence. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]<br />
**'''Second.''' [[User:Kilroy|<nowiki></nowiki>]]&mdash;[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]/<small><sub>[[User talk:Kilroy|talk]]</sub></small>[[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:16, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
**'''Second''' [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 11:47, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
*Also the fish the bass (guitar) turns into is a shark, not a bass (fish) '''Decline''' &rarr;[[User:evin290|evin290]] 06:54, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
**Though technically a shark isn't a fish, but a mammal.<br />
***Psst... that's whales. Sharks are very much fish. (Not as though that makes this fact any more viable.) --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 15:41, 6 Feb 2005 (MST)<br />
***So I've been misinformed all along, thx for clearing it up for me.<br />
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===You Big Mouth! (Declined)===<br />
This is the only Teen Girl Squad issue to date with no appearance of the man with the big mouth, unless you count Mrs. So-and-so-erson.<br />
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*'''Decline.''' I'm the one who put this one on here. On [[Arrow'd Guy]] character page, it clearly says that he ''is'' Mrs. So-and-so-erson. --[[User:evin290|evin290]]<br />
**But on the [[Mrs. So-and-so-erson]] page, it clearly says that she bears a striking resemblance to the Man with a Huge Mouth. And their synonymity is currenrly being disputed on both [[Talk:Mrs. So-and-so-erson]] and [[Talk:Arrow'd Guy]]. I vote we abstain from voting until a consensus is reached. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]<br />
***Correction: it USED to say she bears a striking resemblance. Somebody decided to remove that text that I added. --[[User:TheNintenGenius|TheNintenGenius]] 14:13, 20 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
****Well, it seems pretty presumptuous to me. I'm going to change the page to NPOV until we agree over whether they're the same. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]] 09:49, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
*'''Decline.''' I must agree. Actually, I added the "unless you count Mrs. So-and-so-erson" after the fact was added, mostly for that very reason. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 20:35, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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===Math again (Declined)===<br />
"Smartly Pretty" is spelled all in math terms/symbols. Such as a plus sign in place of the "T" in Smartly. This is the second time in which Math has been connected to Teen Girl Squad, with the first example being in the email [[virus]], in which the numbers of PI were an issue number.<br />
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*'''Decline/Rewrite.''' I don't think there's so much a connection between TGS and math; the band name has to do with So and So's being "math crazy." --[[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 17:59, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
**How about: "Smartly Pretty is spelled with Math terms, which shows So and So's math obsession." --[[User:BegyLips|BegyLips]]<br />
***'''Second''' that. [[User:Kilroy|<nowiki></nowiki>]]&mdash;[[User:Kilroy|Kilroy]]/<small><sub>[[User talk:Kilroy|talk]]</sub></small>[[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 20:17, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
*Why not just put it on So and So's bio page as a character quirk? [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]<br />
*'''Decline.''' So-and-So is just a nerd. Not notable. --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]<br />
**'''Second.''' [[User:Ian|Ian]] 20:37, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
**'''Second''' [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 11:52, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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=== Soulbait (Declined) ===<br />
The Bass Guitar turning into a shark is most likely a reference to the music video Soulbait by Code of Ethics, which features musical intruments turning into fish.<br />
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* I know everybody wants to see their favorite band/reality TV series/collectible card game/leg referenced by TBC, but I'm just not believing that TBC were really making a direct reference to an obscure '90s Christian rock band that doesn't have so much as its own web site. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]<small>&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]</small>[[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 21:52, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
**'''Second.''' That is, '''Decline''' for reasons stated above. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 22:00, 17 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
**'''Second.''' But if this one gets removed, we're going to seriously have to take a look at some of the other Real life references that DID make the list (like the Saved by the Bell and Nickelodeon ones) that have even less to go on. - [[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]<br />
**If you think other facts should be removed, Donny, then put them on this page. [[User:InterruptorJones|<nowiki></nowiki>]]<small>&mdash;&nbsp;[[User:InterruptorJones|InterruptorJones]]</small>[[<nowiki></nowiki>]] 12:19, 18 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
**Meh, doesn't matter that much. But if you are going to dismiss someone's fun fact on the grounds that its obscure, it really is only fair to go after equally obscure ones.[[User:Donny vs Universe|Donny vs Universe]]<br />
**'''Decline''' for reasons stated above. [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 11:54, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
*'''Accept''' Makes sense to me--[[User:205.174.123.14|205.174.123.14]] 14:33, 21 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
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=== CGNU (Declined) ===<br />
The Girls probably go to CGNU, where Strong bad is the principal.<br />
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*'''Decline.''' It's been stated that they're in eighth grade (despite the "I'M FIVE YEARS OLDER AND IN COLLEGE!!!" from Cheerleader). At most, they're at the didn't-exist-until-I-started-typing-just-now Crazy Go Nuts Prep Academy, but it's much more likely that Strong Bad was just writing himself in to be cool. -- [[User:FortyTwo|FortyTwo]] 18:56, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
**'''Second.''' [[User:Kamek|Kamek]] 12:00, 24 Jan 2005 (MST)<br />
**'''Second.''' --[[User:Upsilon|Upsilon]]<br />
**'''Second.''' --[[User:yeahyeah|yeahyeah]]<br />
*'''Decline.''', as CGNU is meant to be a college of some sort (thus the "university").[[User:Donny vs Universe|# Donny vs Universe]]<br />
*'''Rewrite, accept.''' I think this is clearly a reference to Strong Bad being the principal of CGNU. Perhaps saying something about that without saying that they go there would be more appropriate. [[User:209.175.21.2|209.175.21.2]]<br />
**'''Second''' It's more of a reference to Strong Bad being the ''prinicpal'' of CGNU. :) Seriously though, this is a legitimate reference - the misspelling of "principal" is intentional. Perhaps a reference to the misspelling in the CGNU e-mail should go on the TGS8 page, while a mention of Strong Bad being "prinicpal" at both CGNU and the school attended by TGS should go on Strong Bad's bio page. --[[User:TheEggman|TheEggman]] 00:42, 13 Feb 2005 (MST)<br />
*'''Unsure''' CGNU could offer 8th grade as well as 9-12, seeing as how some American schools offer that for certain financial reasons. -Walking Armless<br />
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== Kissy Boots guitar riff ==<br />
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The guitar rift in the backround of the Kissy Boots song is from Paranoid by Black Sabbath.<br />
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== But Only 3 Die! ==<br />
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We don't know for sure if Cheerleader died. When something you own is destroyed, like say your guitar or the bass guitar you probably bought, you could say "aw crap," right? Just because the shark clearly shomped something ate something doesn't mean it was her life that she said aw crap over.we cannot make the assumption that all 4 girls are dead. <br />
-Helios Rex<br />
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Oh, yes we can! At the end, Cheerleader sang, "Everybody died 'cept me!!" The shark then chomped on something and Cheerleader said, "Aw, crap!" From this evidence, we can safely assume that the shark ate and killed Cheerleader. This is [[Wikipedia:irony|ironic]] because she celebrates the fact she didn't die...before being eaten by a shark! - [[User:The Chort|The Chort]] 15:13, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)</div>65.78.119.123http://hrwiki.org/wiki/Talk:Teen_Girl_Squad_Issue_10Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 102005-10-15T03:11:44Z<p>65.78.119.123: /* Olympic Coach's Voice? */</p>
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<div>==TGS Issue Picture==<br />
Which picture should we use? [[Image:Mightywarrior.PNG|thumb|"Mightywarrior.PNG"]][[Image:TeenGirlSquad10.PNG|thumb|"TeenGirlSquad10.PNG"]]<br />
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Number one (the warrior) id say. its somthing difffernt<br />
:The lower one definitely. It shows the theme of the episode better. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 15:47, 10 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Stan! ==<br />
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In the hidden easter egg where The ugly one's dad is advertising, the way he is waving his arms around is a striking resemblence to Stan from the Monkey Island Games. Would this be a fun fact?<br />
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Easter Egg? If this exists why isn't it listed? --[[User:Mrdude|jake]] 15:37, 10 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== New Software ==<br />
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I think the reason for the new animation is TBC got some new animation software and they wanted to test it out. [[User:DaChazman|DaChazman]]<br />
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It's all done with Flash. If it were done with Flash 8 (the new one) we'd know. [[User:Ppk01|Ppk01]] 16:25, 10 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:Besides, with simple characters like that, you can do that with a few masks and shape tweens. {{User:Gafaddict/sig}} 21:13, 10 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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I know there's some software that can export 3D animation to flash. It's called [http://www.erain.com Swift 3D]. However, I dont know if TBC are using it. -[[User:Jesselangham|Jesselangham]]<br />
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:They're not. There's nothing fancy with the rotation that they haven't done before, eg in [[funny]]. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 23:51, 10 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah, good point. That software is expensive anyway. Too expensive for a 1 second rotation. -[[User:Jesselangham|Jesselangham]]<br />
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== 3-D? I don't even know what that is! ==<br />
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I move that all instances of the word 3-D be replaced with the word 3D. Who's with me, eh? [[User:Ppk01|Ppk01]] 16:25, 10 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:Can somebody who knows something about 3D software confirm that the "We got a spinner" gag is a reference to the bizarre glitches that such software sometimes create (elements moving by themselves in weird ways)? &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:14, 10 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:I found it to be a reference to CGI animation glitches like the ones shown under special features of Pixar movies.---[[User:RatherAnnoying|RatherAnnoying]] 19:29, 10 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::Yeah, that's what I was thinking of; like the monster's hair in Monsters Inc. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:32, 10 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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: You're wrong, BTW. [[Wikipedia:3D|3D]] is an auto-redirect to [[Wikipedia:3-D|3-D]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 01:50, 11 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:And m-w.com doesn't recognize [http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=3d&book=Dictionary 3D], only 3-D. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 01:55, 11 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==Inside references==<br />
In the party sequence, I know all the TGS inside references are listed in the cast of characters at the beginning, but is there any other appropriate way to mention it elsewhere? Say, an inside reference that simply says "See the Cast of Characters?" Also, can someone confirm my suspicion that this contains ''every'' TGS character seen to date (even a reference to Brett!), and that it's the first TGS to include a shot of the "real world," or of regular H*R characters other than Strong Bad? &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 18:34, 10 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:I'm not sure about your first question, but I can answer your second and third ones:<br />
*2: No, it does not contain every TGS character to date. For example, the Floor Tom and the Vulture/Bat don't appear. See the Minor TGS Characters page for a bunch of characters that fail to appear.<br />
*3: Yes and no. It is the first episode to show the "real world", but [[Pom Pom]] appears in episode #8.<br />
:Hope that helps. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:45, 10 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
::This ''is'', however, the first TGS to show any character--including Strong Bad--outside of the comic's world. Pom Pom in issue 8 was still a drawing, as was Strong Bad's cameo appearances in issues 1, 8, and 9. This is the first time a TGS episode has had not-drawings in it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
:::Actually, Strong Bad Email #53, "comic" also features TGS and "not-drawings" together. Which is the "official" TGS #1, anyway?<br />
:::The Vultures do appear. See the bottom left corner of the scene where Manolios is introducing The Ugly One. --{{User:Venusy/Sig}}, 19:55, 10 October 2005 (BST)<br />
::::Sorry, I meant the Vulture from issue #2. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 18:58, 10 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Vowels ==<br />
Vowels are A-E-I-O-U "Y" is not a vowel :p<br />
:Sometimes it is. It's being used as a vowel in this case. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
::From the Wikipedia: "In the standard English language, the letter [[Wikipedia:Y|Y]] is traditionally regarded as a consonant, but as a survey of almost any English text, including this one, will show, Y more commonly functions as a vowel." So our anonymous friend is right. Y is not a vowel. And sign your posts.{{User:The Chort/sig}} 19:37, 10 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::Also from Wikipedia: The name "vowel" is often used for the symbols used for representing vowel sounds in a language's writing system, particularly if the language uses an alphabet. In the Latin alphabet, the vowel letters are usually A, E, I, O, U, and in some languages Y, as in English. -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft.holmes]] 19:50, 10 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:::Oh yeah, because an entirely user-edited encyclopaedia can NEVER contradict itself. Why don't we go with the majority and accept that Y is NOT a vowel?<br />
::::[http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/refpages/RefEdList.aspx?refid=210026329 Encarta] seems to agree as well. After all, the way most schools teach vowels is A-E-I-O-U and SOMETIMES Y. In "sorry," Y is a vowel, as it is nearly impossible to construct a meaningful syllable without a vowel. Does "syzygy" also have no vowels in it? No. ... Okay, I rambled. Sorry. But Y is a vowel in this case. [[User:Spell4yr|Spell4yr]] 20:41, 10 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:::: Because it is. The word "vowel" denotes how the letter is used, not what the letter is. As it happens, Y isn't the only "consonant" that can be used as a vowel (W is common, and G and H show up often too.) It's just that the five letters most commonly called "vowels" are the ones NEVER used as consonants. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:39, 10 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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"Vowel" and "consonant" are phonetic distinctions, not letter distinctions. "We're sorry" is pronounced ([[Wikipedia:IPA chart for English|IPA]]) /wi:r sɒˈri:/ - both /i/s and the /ɒ/ are the vowels. It is simply that the large majority of vowel sounds are represented in English with A-E-I-O-U which is why they're called the 5 vowels. So we then have 2 definitions of "vowel" - a vowel ''phoneme'' (which is relevant for the "there's at least one vowel in every syllable" rule) or a vowel ''letter'' (strictly A-E-I-O-U, possibly Y depending on who you ask). The confusion only comes when you get the two confused - for example a syllable does not require A-E-I-O-U(-Y), just a vowel phoneme. Getting back to the point, it's impossible to pronounce words completely without vowel phonemes, /ə/ slips in everywhere (/wər sər/ is as far as you can take "we're sorry"). "Removing all the vowels" only makes sense from a vowel letter view, in which case Y only applies if whoever it is wants it to. And now I'm rambling a bit, so I'll stop. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 00:13, 11 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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You know... even after all this controversy, it doesn't make a good Fun Fact, since she never mentions taking ALL the vowels out. She says "taking ''the'' vowels out," which, yes, implies ''all'' the vowels, but doesn't say it emphatically. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 07:33, 11 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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Okay, I'm confused. Have we reached a conensus yet? -- {{User:Super_Sam/sig}} 11:57, 11 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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This is a horrible fun fact. Regardless of whether or not Y is a vowel... the scene is meant to be a pun on internet slang (in AIM saying sry instead of sorry). If they said "'m Srr" it wouldn't be nearly as catchy or funny. I fail to see how this is of interest to anyone. -[[User:DMurphy|DMurphy]] 02:30, 13 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
* As I pointed out on STUFF, that doesn't even begin to explain "prty," which was said before "srry". --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:00, 14 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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The slang term for sorry on the internet IS NOT srr it's Srry. As DMurphy said, it's not about the vowels. I say get rid of the thing.<br />
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This fun fact has been STUFF'd. [[Template:STUFF/Teen Girl Squad Issue 10|The TGS10 STUFF Page]] -[[User:DMurphy|DMurphy]] 22:59, 13 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==The other side of the paper==<br />
When the paper saying "Its over" in on screen, you can see the other side of the paper, which is the image of Strong Bad making out with the Ugly One. I dont know if you can see it on a regular screen, but I can only see it on my Laptop, if I makes the screen darker. - Lord-Z<br />
: I see it too. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:43, 10 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:Yes, and this has already been noted in the transcript. It's been covered just for you ;){{User:Gafaddict/sig}} 21:11, 10 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== References ==<br />
When the Ugly One's father presents her to the party, I am pretty sure that that is a reference to the MTV show, My Super Sweet Sixteen. Am I correct? --[[User:ItalianBallerina|ItalianBallerina]]<br />
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No, this is just a common practice at sweet sixteens. &mdash;{{User:Mibluvr13/sig}} 20:50, 10 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Breakin? ==<br />
When Strong Bad says "Arrow'd II: Electric- wait a minute!", it seems to be a reference to "Breakin II: Electric Boogaloo", a movie which has been mentioned on the site before. [[User:TheSyndicate88|TheSyndicate88]]<br />
:Check the fun facts, dude. It's already in there. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}<br />
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== Olympic Coach's Voice? ==<br />
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the Olympic coach is the only TGS character not voiced by Strong Bad. If so, do you think that's a worthy fun fact? [[User:SA2Tails|SA2Tails]] 21:53, 10 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:What about Mr. Pitters?<br />
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:Also the vultures as they are eating Mr. Pitters do not have a Strong Bad-type voice. Maybe Fatty's Big Chance as well. The voice is grainy and rough, but not as much as the other characters. --[[User:Gillan The Villain|Gillan The Villain]] 22:19, 10 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:The Scottsmen don't really sound like strong bad.- [[User:Jhonka|Jhonka]]<br />
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==Has 3D Been Used Before?==<br />
I think 3D was used before. On [[The Luau]], the tofu seems to be spinning in 3D. -[[User:Lotionman|Lotionman]] 23:34, 10 October 2005 (UTC)Lotionman<br />
:I think what has everybody so excited is that in this one the ''camera'' moved in 3D. Though I'm not sure it took anything more than plain ol' Flash to do that. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 23:43, 10 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:Don't forget the opening to [[The Interview]]. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 00:21, 11 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:True, but the animation here seems a lot smoother than that, with the spinning camera sequence, What's-her-face spinning and Strong Bad's movements at the end of the toon.<br />
::Only because the framerate is higher. Flash's default framerate is 12fps - which is about the lower limit for most people being able to distinguish animations from a series of pictures. TGS10 is 20fps - so a lot of the animations are smoother. I've looked with the decompiler - just trust me when I say that What's Her Face spinning is done exactly the same way that they do Strong Bad's head turning to look from side to side. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 04:29, 11 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Pictures from the Party ==<br />
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I made an image of the pan across the party, showing the minor characters appearing in attendance. It'd make a nice picture for somewhere, I think. (I had the idea of making it just a link, not an actual picture, and putting it in the issue 10 article somewhere. [[Duck Guardian One]] has an example of this in the Trivia section.) One thing though: the picture is roughly four or five times bigger in file size than what's normally recommended to upload. So I thought I'd tell people before acting, just in case. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
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== Pwn ==<br />
Is pwn a reference to [http://www.purepwnage.com/ Pure Pwnage]? Because thats basically the only other place I've heard it. - [[User:Faro1|Faro1]]<br />
:It's vice versa - Pure Pwnage is a referance to the word pwn. Look at the [[Wikipedia:Pwn|wikipedia link]] from the article. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 04:31, 11 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
I'm glad they made fun of that term. Can't we just correct the typo and call it "ownage?" -[[User:Jesselangham|Jesselangham]]<br />
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== Goof or Remark ==<br />
[[Image:Babydaddy.PNG|100px|thumb]]<br />
<div style="border:1px #CCC solid;padding:3px;background:#fafafa;">''In the rotational scene, Cheerleader's ''baby daddy'' seems to come out of her dress.''</div><br />
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:I think this inconsistancy was a mistake made by the Brothers Chaps, therefore a goof. However, It's dot com insists otherwise, rendering it a Remark. What is it? - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 19:05, 11 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
*<s>'''Remark.'''</s> I'm not saying they did it ''on purpose'' per se. I ''am'' saying that because this sequence is the first of its kind on the site, they would have paid it extra special attention. Therefore, TBC would have realized the type is doing what it does. Maybe they actually did do it intentionally. Maybe they saw how it turned out and liked what they got. Or maybe there was some technical limitation that made it like it is. It doesn't really matter, because the point is that they didn't ''mistakingly'' do it the way they did. I mean, let's give them a ''little'' credit. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 19:13, 11 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
**'''Second.''' -- [[User:Mycroft.holmes|Mycroft.holmes]] 21:06, 11 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
**'''Second.''' I don't know how this could happen to make it a goof. There's no way they would have programmed the words to ''not'' be on the shirt and not have noticed. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 22:11, 11 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
*<s>'''Goof.''' Now I don't know for sure if it'd be easy to fix or not, but it seems to me they could have just omitted the "ba" and "da" to get a favorable result. If they noticed it, they probably figured it was just one frame and not worth fixing. But that doesn't change the fact that it is still a goof - missed or seen and ignored. This seems to be just as much of a goof as all the other ones written down there. - {{User:Joshua/sig}}</s><br />
*'''Goof.''' When I posted it, I put it on goofs. I'm with Joshua on this one. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 19:33, 11 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
*'''Goof.''' --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:34, 11 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
*'''Goof.''' Paying attention or not, the writing is off the shirt. That says ''goof'' to me. We don't know their intentions. -[[User:B|B]] 21:16, 11 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
**The fact that we don't know their intentions is a prime reason for it to be a remark. I'd rather err on the side of TBC here. Calling it a remark when it was a goof doesn't make it less true, and leaves it open to interpretation. Calling it a goof when it really wasn't stigmatizes it unnecessarily. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]<br />
*Just because they don't bother to fix it doesn't mean it's not a goof. If we followed your standards, then we'd have to move a lot, maybe almost all, of the goofs to remarks. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 21:44, 11 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
**Not at all. I'm trying to emphasize that they would not have been careless here, since the effect is new and unique. I believe they have both of these things here exactly how they want them. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]]<br />
* <s>'''Remark.''' After going through it frame by frame, I discovered that Cheerleader's text is floating off the ENTIRE thing, all three times, rather than the single frame that I thought before. So now I think TBC did it to make the overall thing look better when moving quickly, to make the 3D stand out more. But it still deserves mention. And a better picture. (It's hard to see what's what in the currect pic.) - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 23:17, 11 October 2005 (UTC)</s><br />
* [[Image:sbfacemask.png|thumb|right|Strong Bad's head, with and without masking]] '''Glitch''' - some explination of how TBC make things rotate is in order. Making a realistic rotation would be very time consuming, and you'd need to draw almost every frame to get it to look smooth. However, TBC take a shortcut - almost everything they make that rotates is just a plain sphere with a thing added on it, eg Strong Bad's face or his shoelace thingy - apart from that his head is perfectly round - so when they rotate his head left and right only the face and shoelace have to move, the actual head can stay still. Now for the second shortcut - when his face moves around his head, they don't actually do anything fancy to make it go "around" - they just move it straight from left to right, no distortion, no parallax, nothing. Then they take a mask the shape of SB's head and use it to crop the face to the head. The result - it looks like the face is going around the head. Look at the picture on the right if you're not sure what I mean. If the effect isn't strong enough they add things like skews to make it more real, but for the most part they don't need to. Now we come to Cheerleader's shirt. They did the same thing they always do. They animated everyone's faces and the writing on Cheerleader's dress as moving across them from side to side. Then they added a mask to their faces, but forgot to add a mask to Cheerleader's dress. Hence it is a glitch, I see no reason for them to do this intentionally, and a perfectly good reason for them to do it accidentally. As for Goof vs Glitch, I thought Goofs were things like plot holes, mistakes in the design of the toon, and Glitches were mistakes in the actual building of the toon in Flash, like this. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:56, 12 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:'''Thank you''', Phlip. For one thing, I had been wondering about the seemingly indiscriminate and interchangeable use of "Goof" and "Glitch." Seems to me a lot of Goofs around here need moving... Also, thanks for finally providing some insight on the way the Flash stuff worked. I agree it's a Flash-generated glitch, but for the record I'm not ''necessarily'' saying they didn't notice it and think it was cool. I think it's kinda cool myself. It enhances the 3-D-ness of it all, kind of a ViewMaster moment. :) &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:12, 12 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
*'''Glitch.''' Shifting my vote again. Phlip's explanation makes a lot of sense. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 19:07, 12 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
*'''Glicth.''' I can go for a glitch here. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:22, 13 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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<br><div style="border:1px #CCC solid;padding:3px;background:#fafafa;">''When Strong Bad rewinds the 3-D spin around, the "SO GOOD!" speech bubble disappears.''</div><br />
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:Same deal here as above. The bubble was there, then it wasn't. All that happened was a rewind and replay. OOPS. Seems pretty clear, and the note is still there. -[[User:B|B]] 21:16, 11 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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*<s>'''Remark.'''</s> I really can't imagine how this could be accidental. I just don't see TBC watching this toon later and slapping their heads: "We forgot to keep the speech bubble there!" &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 21:36, 11 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
**'''Second.''' I know ''I'' wouldn't want to deal with animating a speech bubble if I had a Monday deadline. I don't know how a rotating speech bubble would work realistically, so I think they probably took it out so people wouldn't look at it and say "wow, that just doesn't look good" if they got it wrong. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 22:38, 11 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
***Look closely - they already did a rotating speach bubble the first time they spin around - it's just not there when they spin the second time... <s>So, '''Glitch'''</s>. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 03:56, 12 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
*'''Goof.''' But this differs from the above. Although I doubt TBC did this without noticing, it is an "inconsistancy," which officially makes a [[HRWiki:Standards#Goofs|goof]]. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} (You know, we really are fighting over nothing. :P)<br />
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The wording of the Standard you linked is: "...if things mysteriously vanish or appear (and it's not obviously intentional...)." Personally I have a problem with that wording; I would move it be changed to "obviously ''not'' intentional." Little change, big difference. First of all, let's all notice that they ''did'' animate the rotating speech bubble on the first rotation, okay? Then it disappears because they're done talking. Now if it was in fact an omission, it was a pretty big honkin' one; it's not like the [[A Folky Tale#Goofs|grass around Strong Sad]]; it's a huge... well, thing. My personal opinion is that they left it off the second time because this rotation is essentially a ''visual'' effect, and they didn't want it to get in the way of the effect. If it was in fact an omission, it would have to be a last-minute, bleary-eyed, semi-conscious one (which doesn't fit the quality of the rest of the 'toon). I'm staying non-commital as usual, but I find the arguments for not even mentioning this one pretty strong. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 04:20, 12 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
: "Not obviously intentional" conveys the meaning I intended when I wrote that better than "Obviously not intentional." For instance, with the "baby daddy" thing, it's not obviously not intentional, but it's not obviously intentional either. (If you can parse that.) However, the disagreement here is on just what IS obvious in this case. This much is obvious: they didn't just reverse and repeat the scene, since the speech bubble is missing. Maybe they just felt like drawing it twice, maybe the second time was an earlier version, or maybe it was intentional. And, at any rate, I'm not willing to call it a "Goof," because it's really not needed (speech bubbles are not physical objects in the real world, so its non-inclusion doesn't really affect what's happening in the scene at all.) So '''remark.''' --{{User:Jay/sig}} 06:43, 12 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
::I agree with what Jay is saying and I maintain that it is a remark. On the other hand, it is pretty obvious by just watching the toon, so like AbdiViklas hinted, perhaps '''it should just go unmentioned.''' &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:29, 13 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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The more I think about this the more it seems the must have tried just reversing the whole scene, speech bubble inclusive, and realised it didn't look very good (I mean, the speech bubble disappeared when they finished talking and String Bad started talking, and it would look weird for it to return), so they removed it. So I'm changing my vote to '''either put it in the transcript or leave it out entirely, probably the latter'''. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 16:22, 13 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Making out ==<br />
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Is this the first time we've ever seen Strong Bad actually make out with something? I mean, he's always gone on about it. If it really is the first time I think it's worthy of a mention in the article somehow.<br />
:It think this is the first time we've seen him... kissing. I think it's noteworthy. - {{User:Joshua/sig}} 02:23, 12 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
i thought that was discusting....i had too close down the window and turn the<br />
volume all the way down!-[[User:Timmy!]]<br />
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its also the first time we have seen strong bad eating a girl, atleast the paper 1 is drawn on, tbc have been getting a LITTLE r rated with that!@!<br />
and actually if you count fan hallloweeen costumes we did see "strong bad" making out with a girl before<br />
:And if we put in that Strong Bad ate a girl, people are going to jump to the wrong idea.<br />
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1: He wasn't eating the girl, he was trying to make out with the girl on the piece of paper, not eat her. 2: How is making out "R-rated"? [[User:Clever Ben|Clever Ben]] 21:07, 13 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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It's certainly not R-rated or 99% of the films ever made would be R-rated! However it certainly is a move to ever so slightly more "adult" material which along with the "teen pregnant" line in Commandos in the Classroom probably constitues a change in TBC's writing style, probably in recognition of the fact that there's no question of their writing for kids anymore. [[User:131.111.250.142|131.111.250.142]] 22:19, 13 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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People, he is making out with paper. I think that we are being critical saying that the TBC is moving toward an R rated site. {{User:Rogue Leader/sig}} 22:24, 13 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Accents ==<br />
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Possible goof - when one of the three scotsmen speaks (to say 'BAGH! Only 23 metres!), he's speaking with an irish accent.<br />
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What? I think that it's Scottish. Plus, corn is no place for a mighty warrior! --{{User:The 386/sig}} 23:40, 12 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:People do that often (try to do a Scottish accent and wind up Irish). What we hear here is only a rough approximation hinting at a vaguely British-Isles accent. But please see the definition of [[HRWiki:Standards#Goofs|a goof]] (also linked just a little way up the page). A goof is not when TBC fail to meet our expectations; it's when they fail to meet ''theirs''. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 00:56, 13 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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Oh, man! What would the accents mean? I am just concerned. --{{User:The 386/sig}} 15:51, 13 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
:''Mean''? Um, are you being ironic? If so, I agree, it's not a big deal. If not... um, they don't "mean" anything. &mdash;[[User:AbdiViklas|AbdiViklas]] 19:46, 14 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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What the crud? Oh, if you said that I'm being ironic, then you're right, I am being ironic. --{{User:The 386/sig}} 22:33, 14 October 2005 (UTC)</div>65.78.119.123http://hrwiki.org/wiki/User:JhonkaUser:Jhonka2005-10-15T03:11:14Z<p>65.78.119.123: </p>
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<div> the name jhonka is from strong bad email [[impression]].<br />
Please write comments here. i would appriciate it if you would not use obcene language or say mean things.</div>65.78.119.123http://hrwiki.org/wiki/Talk:geddup_noiseTalk:geddup noise2005-10-15T02:56:39Z<p>65.78.119.123: </p>
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<div>==geddup noise techno==<br />
The Cheat stole my thunder! I made [http://www.macband.com/songs/electronica/1076434286.shtml a bad techno song] once that mentioned the Geddup noise. It didn't actually have the noise in it, though.<br />
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*I had no idea that the Get up noise evan existed, I geuss I don't pay attention to detail. _[[User:24.62.243.222|24.62.243.222]] 01:25, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==steve buttz==<br />
dont you guys notice that the e-mail he was ansering when he got a phone call was from steve buttz? i think you should<br />
note that.-[[User:Timmy!]]<br />
:Um, yeah, we do that.<br />
<blockquote>The email kids' book is on the Compy 386 when the Geddup Noise gets his phone call. Kids' book is the 84th email Strong Bad mentioned.</blockquote><br />
:See? It's in the remarks section. - '''''[[User:Joshua|<font color=green>Joshua</font>]]'''''<br />
==corporate magazines==<br />
do we really need the strong sad/kurt cobain refernce in both remarks, and real world references? having it in one or the other would make more sense. - '''''[[User:i know. can you believe it?|<font color=blue>i know. can you believe it?</font>]]'''''<br />
:Taken care of. Thnks for pointing it out. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 14:10, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
:In future it'd be easier for you to just fix it yourself. When an article comes out for something new like this, there's usually a lot of frenzied editing, everyone wants to get their point in. Duplicates do often turn up - just delete one, leave whichever one is more grammatical/detailed/in a more appropriate section. {{User:phlip/sig}} 14:23, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
==OMG Kevin!==<br />
Homestar being called Kevin is referring to [[the bet]], right? -[[User:BurninatorBoombox&Markie|<font color=DC143C>MK and/or BurnBox</font>]] 15:05, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Adding to the Cast ==<br />
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Shouldn't we add The Geddup Noise and Chairscoot to the cast for this email, since they're kinda referred to as characters throughout?<br />
--[[User:Tigz|Tigz]] 15:17, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
:No, we shouldn't. But we should make a page for the Geddup Noise. - '''''[[User:Joshua|<font color=green>Joshua</font>]]''''' 15:21, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
If you make The Geddup Noise and Chairscoot cast members then you'll have to find all the SB Emails with them in it. That would be both take very long and it would be really hard to do it all. Don't even try. - Jhonka<br />
:Actually, we've already been doing just that. See our [[The Geddup Noise]] page, and its talk section. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
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==Get Up Kids?==<br />
Does it seem likely/noteworthy to anyone that the e-mail (esp. in relation indie music) was vaguely referencing or inspired by the (recently broken-up) band The Get Up Kids? If so, someone should write that into the article in an elegant fashion. Perhaps. -[[User:Sinisterscrawl|Sinisterscrawl]] 16:41, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:As cool as the Get Up Kids are/were, I don't think there's any connection there. &mdash; {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}}<br />
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Cool! Mike visited the site! ''{does the h*r creator man dance}'' --[[HRFWiki:User:Homfrog|Homfrog]]<br />
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OH MY GOODNESS. ''*stares at Mike's post with a =D face*'' If you're an imposter, I slap you. I doubt you are an imposter dude. Otherwise... HOLY CRAP MIKE VISITED THE WIKI! ''CASUALLY!'' --[[User:MrsCommanderson|MrsCommanderson]] 21:24, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:Um, no. {{User:FireBird/sig}} 21:30, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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I doubt it's Mike... I mean, really, how hard is it to type the words "Mike Chap"... But who knows? {{User:Camalex/sig}} 20:54, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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What? Huh? Who claims to be Mike? I don't see nobody?--[[User:Jimmy Jammies|Jimmy Jammies]] 17:49, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Shoshoni & Coches ==<br />
I'm too lazy to do it myself, but ought there to be some Explanations for [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shoshoni Shoshoni] and Coches? A cursory, 5-minute search has failed to give me a good idea of where the latter are; just some ski resort sites in other languages. I assume they're a mountain range in either France or Spain or both, but if it's that far removed from common knowledge an Explanation might be in order. [[User:notstrongorbad|notstrongorbad]]<br />
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"coches" is spanish for cars. not sure if this is related. sarducci<br />
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"les coches" is a ski resort<br />
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== Coach Z's Dance ==<br />
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_Not_ the one from folky tale. In folky tale, coach Z hops from foot to foot while pumping his arms up and down above his head. In the easter egg, he hops on one foot (his right) across the screen with his arms down at his sides, moving slightly up-and down. Deleted the "inside reference" claiming it was the same. -sarducci<br />
:It's similar, though. But still not the same. My first thought, though, was the 'I'm Just Me' song and dance from [[record book]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
:Oh, good catch. I does seem to be identical to the I'm just me dance, cept he's moving across the screen, not just up and down. Is this worth a mention? -sarducci<br />
::Might be worth a mention. I dunno. If people don't like it, they can always STUFF it. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
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== Strong Mad said what? ==<br />
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It sounded to me like Strong Mad said "YOU SUCK!" instead of "BLUE SOCK!" Anybody else think so? [[User:ACupOfCoffee|ACupOfCoffee]] 19:17, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
:It did sound like that a little, but "BLUE SOCK" definitely fits the context better. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
::But wouldn't that explain why Strong Bad was embarassed to have shown that "clip"? [[User:ACupOfCoffee|ACupOfCoffee]] 19:40, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
:::I heard you suck at first, but a closer listen revealed blue sock to be true. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 19:43, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
:::No, it wouldn't. It showed Strong Bad selling out and imitating The Geddup Noise, which would be embarrassing to someone like Strong Bad, don'cha think? "Blue sock" definitely fits better. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:24, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
::::Actually, to me it sounds like a mix: "YOU SUCK BLUE SOCK!", and the fact that HE did a ripoff is rather embarassing. --[[User:Ookelaylay|Ookelaylay]] 23:43, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
:::::I reckon he said "BLUE SOCK!". {{User:Rainer/sig}} 06:50, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
:::::At first I thought he said "BLUE SUCKS!" but I soon realized it was "BLUE SOCK!" -- [[User:Homeschool Winner|Homeschool Winner]] 02:51, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
:I had also thought he said "you suck". I didn't know until I saw the transcript. "You suck" would have been funnier though. [[User:Agentjs03|Agentjs03]] 19:41, 4 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
It's pretty clear that most people need to get better speakers. These agurments about lines are ridiculous since it's obvious what they said if you listen properly. Try headphones, they do a good job.<br />
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== It's About Freakin' Time! ==<br />
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Anyone else find it weird that for almost 2 months, TBC diddn't do any SBEmails (almost all they do) to do two big toons, two shorts, multiple Lament updates, a new main page, a new navigation feature, and add several new products to the store? Plus several of the newer emails have sucked. I think the SBEmails are dying.---[[User:RatherAnnoying|RatherAnnoying]]<br />
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-If you noticed, they said they were putting out a DVD of all the non Strong bad email stuff, so they were probably just rushing to get out all the ideas they had for toons before the DVD went to press......Nah...<br />
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-I think they were trying to fill up the site with newer stuff for a few possible reasons.<br />
A.) Trying to make sure that their site has things other than the SBEmail get updated.<br />
B.)Trying to get enough toons and shorts added so they can release a Toons DVD.<br />
C.) Perhaps they figured that all those updates might help boost the sites popularity.<br />
I do think it should be noted about how this is the first SBEmail in a while. [[User:20X6 GEM|20X6 GEM]]<br />
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2 months without an e-mail<br />
And this is the demented result...<br />
I'll be happier when Stinkoman level 10 comes out (I hope)...<br />
Man, some of the e-mails I sent had such cool premises, and THEY ANSWER ONE ABOUT THE NOISE STRONG BAD MAKES WHEN HE GETS OFF HIS CHAIR...<br />
GUUH GUUUH GUH...<br />
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Signed, this may very well be my least favorite email. I-- it's... just not funny. {{User:Tom Epsilon/sig}}<br />
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Definity. its the worst email ive seen. maybe it was good that they didnt have a new one in a while. the next one better be better. [[User:Darkstalker|Darkstalker]]<br />
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I don't know about you guys but I liked this email. But to answer your theory about SB emails dieing it just seems like TBC are just trying to do new things like new shorts and toons as apposed to putting-up an email each and every week. [[User:Stinkoman Z|Stinkoman Z]]<br />
:: I second that. My sentiments exactly. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 13:22, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
y'all are so whack! this e-mail was good! '''''[[User:i know. can you believe it?|<font color=red>i know. can you believe it?</font>]]'''''<br />
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I did like this email (I categorize it as decent) but it was nowhere near as great as some others (i.e. the one referenced to in this email). Recent ones that simply were not good at all include lady...ing, boring [really], and modeling. (I know people will disagree with me there, but it is not neccesary to bloat this page with your complaints).---[[User:RatherAnnoying|RatherAnnoying]]<br />
::On a similar note, anyone notice how Pom Pom's appearences are becoming less and less. Wihile it sucks, it is perfectly understandable: Pom Pom's inability to talk makes him hard to use, and he lacks an additional "catch" that makes talking unnecessary like The Cheat and The Poopsmith have.<br />
::::I would disagree that Pom Pom lacks a "catch," so to speak. It's just that his catch isn't as easy to work into the silly, fun nature of the cartoons. He talks to fine honeys on his cell phone([[Pom Pom]]), he collects money from girls([[3 Times Halloween Funjob]]), and in [[Homestarloween Party]] he adds hot bikini girls with beer to the car(or, rather, adds them sitting around the car). Pom Pom is the pimp jokes, from what I've seen, and in a universe as asexual as the H*R universe they're harder to work in. [[User:Bennedetto|Bennedetto]]<br />
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== Goofs and a Question ==<br />
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I have several points/questions:<br />
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* In the part where Strong Bad immitates the ''Geddup Noise'' with the ''Git Outcha Seat Sound'', if you notice, the chair his sitting on only has three legs! (And there's no way the perspective would hide the 4th leg)<br />
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* I'm not sure if this counts as a goof: When you click on the notepad easter egg, you can click on the back pages (over where the stool is) and still get the Technochocolate easter egg.<br />
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* Finally, I noticed that both of Bubs' eyelids closed when Coach Z was making his first impression of the ''Geddup Noise''. I'm wondering, is this the first time he does that? I don't remember ever seeing him do that before.<br />
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That's enough for now. I'm still new at this, so I appreciate your input! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:13, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::Also, I made a link addittion, but I cannot corroborate the change made by 65.163.168.10 (in the [[geddup_noise#Inside_References|Inside References]] section). Please double check. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 21:14, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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BTW I think the ("cordless") phone deserves its own page.<br />
--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 23:22, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:It already [[Disconnected Telephone|has a page]]. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
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::Oh! My bad! Thanks for the link! I saw where it's referred to in the page. --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 23:27, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
:::Any time. Happy to help, etc. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
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:'''Update: '''<br />
:*Thanks to [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=geddup_noise&diff=prev&oldid=153730 65.60.195.193] for adding the 3 legged chair goof, I just had never got around do it.<br />
:*This is [[Talk:The_Geddup_Noise#Emails_101-125|certainly not]] the first time bubs [http://www.hrwiki.org/index.php?title=geddup_noise&diff=prev&oldid=153709 squints], he does so in [[lunch special]].<br />
:*I know i've seen this before, and it's probably been discussed i'm sure, how do we treat those overlapping click areas I mentioned? Is it an issue with flash? To me that's what it looks like, and I know it happens often, often enough that it's prolly not worth mentioning anymore (though I think i've seen things like this mentioned in actual pages before). Any info/links would be helpful! <br />
:--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 16:36, 13 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::The overlapping buttons are Flash artifacts (I'm not even sure they're glitches, but they might be). And no, I don't think they're that remarkable. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 16:41, 13 October 2005 (UTC)<br />
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==Is This Correct?==<br />
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The part about Marc's question being odd in because the Geddup Noise was in the previous email doesn't make sense to me. This is in Remarks. This email could have been easily sent before lady...ing. [[User:Catman87]]<br />
:It's possible, but I don't think they'd save an email for that long. Keep in mind how long ago the last email was. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
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== Bubs' Basement... ==<br />
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"This is proof that Bubs Conncesion Stand ''does'' have a basement."<br />
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So, um, why exactly is that so important to note?--[[User:Spanky The Dolphin|Spanky The Dolphin]] 23:43, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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I thought that was an interesting observation about the movie Real Genius... after all, the lights do go off except for that light over his head. I thought that was totally strange (not TBC strange, but strange as in it was meant to be like that for a specific reason). Doesn't the elevator in the movie also have a light like that? I haven't seen the movie in so long. <br />
--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 20:07, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Corporate Homestarloween Still Sucks Still Sucks ==<br />
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We have redundant links to Homestarloween Party. I was about to delete one, but it raises a question: Should Real-World References that have already been referenced in another toon be regarded as Real-World References, Inside References, or both? [[User:notstrongorbad|notstrongorbad]] 00:10, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Booo ==<br />
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Didn't anybody else think that when the King of Town did his own rip-off of the gettup noise, he was booing himself in the background, like how he did in [[impression]] when Strong Sad appeared? I definitely heard it, and I think that was the joke at that point, and not him randomly saying "doooooo." His mustache doesn't even move at that point, anyway.<br />
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Yeah, I think so too. Should we add that on the fun facts? --{{User:Bubsty/sig}} 02:07, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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Yeah, I didn't think "Dooo-ooo" made any sence, and I heard "Booooo" They should change this. -[[User:Jesselangham|JesseLangham]]<br />
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I agree, but it was instantly changed back when I tried modifying the wiki. -sarducci<br />
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Yep, it's definitely "Booooo"<br />
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:I once reverted it from "boooo!" to "dooo!", but I can now hear that that is clearly wrong. The only problem I will have with changing it to "boooo!" is if people interpret it as an offscreen KOT jeering the onscreen KOT. No, it's not a reference to the "Boooo!" in [[impression]]. You can tell from the pitch that the KOT is adding vocal SFX to glorify the Standing Up Noise. &mdash;[[User:BazookaJoe|BazookaJoe]] 01:40, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::I also hear a /b/ sound at the beginning. I don't know, however, what the best spelling would be. Obviously, "booo" is a choice. "Buhooo"... hmmm... "B'oooo"... Anybody else have a suggestion? &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:54, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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People, the entire e-mail is about a personified sound effect. Wouldn't it make comical sense that the KoT's boo in [[impression]] is also a personified effect? It's not him on-screen that's saying it either, because his mustash doesn't move, so that invalidates the "Adding SFX" argument.<br />
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:Yeah, I'm sure it's a reference to [[Impression]]. The general idea would be that the Standing Up Noise is so lame that the King himself booed it...from off screen. Yeah, that would mean there are two KoTs in that scene, but it's supposed to make comical sense, not logical sense.[[User:Rocketlex|Rocketlex]] 02:21, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:Ehh... this is getting a little strained. The simple fact is that there are many tiny details in TBC 'toons which can't be completely linked to causes and/or meanings&mdash;and this is one of them. The only objective facts we have to go on are:<br />
*We hear a sound; we all agree that it's the KOT's voice and that it involves the "oo" sound.<br />
*His mustache doesn't move.<br />
Further speculation about who or what makes the sound and what the sound means are <i>just that</i>&mdash;speculation. (Note that his immobile mustache doesn't necessarily mean he's not making it; when someone's mouth is hidden by a mustache, they can make small mouth movements without it moving visibly.) --[[User:notstrongorbad|notstrongorbad]] 02:29, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
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Oh my dear god. I hate to break it to you guys, but this is not reality, its a cartoon. In real life, yes people can make small mouth movements with moving visably. In a cartoon, you need moving mouths to indicate speech. The KOT's mustash wasn't moving, e.g. he was NOT MAKING THE SOUND. <br />
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This argument can be settled by asking which is more likely: The KOT being booed by himself for such a lame rip-off attempt, in a reference to the off-screen boo in [[impression]] or the King saying "Dooo" without his mustache moving and looking off to his right for no reason.<br />
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:Or a third option: The KoT is being booed from offstage by someone else who happens to sound like KoT. Matt has said he's bad at making generic character voices, and after making so many characters there's only so many new voices you can make. Having (presumably) just recorded the KoT's line, it makes sense that his generic character sounded like the KoT. Whenever a fun fact comes up elsewhere that says "new character X has a voice similar to old character Y" it's always chalked up to "Matt's running out of different voices". Admittedly few are as close as this one, but I still believe it comes under the same header. Besides, even if it ''is'' the KoT booing, there's no reason for it to be a reference to impression... it could just be the same absurdism that gave rise to having two Homestars on screen at once (though people still tried to explain that away with "Main Page 23 is actually Fabrosi, you can't see his moustace because he's facing away from the screen, yada, yada...")... Seriously - random absurdism doesn't have to reference something to be funny. {{User:phlip/sig}} 17:36, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::Now THATS a stretch. Matt is more creative than to incorporate two different voices that sound similar in the same scene. He could have used a canned boo if that were the case (like a livev studio audience). The reason the voice sounds like the KoT's and is saying boo, is because it IS a reference to [[impression]].<br />
:It's likely that it's just another KoT. Bear with me here - think about it. It's not like this isn't the first instance of there being more than one of a certain character, anyway. Remember that mustachioed Homestar? Definitely two Homestars, there. So it's very possible that, somehow, the KoT is booing himself, off-screen.<br />
:Not that it NEEDS all this analysis - it's just a cartoon, after all. -[[User:Shadow Hog|Shadow Hog]] 15:06, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Corporate T-shirts Still Suck ==<br />
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There are two references to one thing for Strong Sad's T-shirt. Which is it? Because right now, it looks like a TTATOT, or at least the beginnings of one. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 01:41, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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I agree. Fortunately, it's taken care of. --{{User:Bubsty/sig}} 02:06, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Didn't Strong Bad call it the "get up noise"? ==<br />
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In the email "the bet" Strong Bad's closing line is "And now, the get up noise." He now claims it's called "the geddup noise." Also, that was email 95 so should it be noted that "chairscoot" hadn't replaced "the geddup noise" yet?<br />
:Well, for all we know, the Geddup Noise was replaced with the get up noise and THEN the Chairscoot. I wouldn't worry about it. - '''''[[User:Joshua|<font color=green>Joshua</font>]]'''''<br />
::However, his seeming confusion at the phrase "get up noise" at the beginning of the email would seem to counterindicate this. You know, this sbemail does funky stuff with the fourth wall and reality that are going to make arguments difficult--hold it, this deserves a separate heading... [[User:notstrongorbad|notstrongorbad]] 05:10, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Bubs sinking into the floor? ==<br />
Is this an inside refrence to anything?<br />
{{User:Crazydog/sig}} 04:36, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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I'm not sure, but if you want to sign your post, you could just simply type 4 tildes, like so:<code><nowiki>~~~~</nowiki></code>. It's alot easier than typeing in your entire name. {{User:Homestramy20/sig}} 04:17, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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You could call it a real-word reference to those mimes people do behind benches. You know, going down stairs, elevators, escalators and so on.<br />
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It's seems to be a slight reference possibly to Blast from The Past [[User:Chatboy 91|Chatboy 91]] 22:28, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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I think it's just a joke, in that it's a funny image. I mean, just look at it; Bubs is facing right at you and slowly sinking through the floor with a single light overhead. I thought it was visually funny. --[[User:Der Pepper|Der Pepper]]<br />
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:I think its a reference to basic UFO crap. Nothing in particalur. - '''''[[User:Joshua|<font color=green>Joshua</font>]]''''' 23:12, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Rant Re: Reality ==<br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I can foresee difficulties in discussing the events of this email in absolute terms--"Bubs has a basement," "Geddup Noise was succeeded circa #84 by 'get up noise,' who was succeeded by Chairscoot, post-#95"--due to the fact that the entire thing is a huge breakage of the [[Fourth Wall (Breaks)|Fourth Wall]]. Marc's email sets it off right from the start, by referencing a prior 4th-wall-break in email 95. From there we progress to a reality in which not merely an inanimate object but a sound is personified. Of <i>course</i> it's heard when Strong Bad hands it the phone, and is able to manifest itself in radio and game show studios--it's being treated as a person.<br><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;All of which casts into serious doubt the "reality" of the events depicted. <i>Does</i> Bubs have a basement? More to the point, does "Bubso?" Did the Cheat in actuality create an indietronic remix? Strong Bad simply tells us with a straight face that these things happened, and his word is ultimately the only arbiter of reality within sbemails. I understand the flexibility that's always characterized the "H*R Universe"--but if we accept these events as literal it's a universe in which real estate in prestigious European ski resorts can be purchased--and inhabited--by disembodied <u>sounds</u>.<br><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And yes, I'm aware that another email-closing icon, The Paper, has been consistently personified. I guess my uneasiness is simply with the fact that the modus operandi of this whole wiki seems to be to rebuild the Fourth Wall as much as possible--to try to pull the H*R corpus into an ordered unity, to speak of it in declarative sentences as if Strong Bad and Free Country USA were real people and places--an attempt which is hampered by the fact that it is, in fact, a work of creative art in continual production and transformation. To that extent, any argument over putative changes or discrepancies in characters or settings can simply be reduced to: "Today TBC said <i>x</i>. In the past they have said <i>y</i>." We are describing nothing so much as a chronology of artistic statements.<br><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;This is simply amplified by the H*R Universe's (or TBC's) ambiguity towards the Fourth Wall, throughout. The whole notion of sbemails as an "email show," the new "backstage" main page, and several DVD commentaries where characters speak of their "performances" as though they had memorized, rehearsed, and finally filmed them, makes our perception of H*R reality uncertain. When are they aware of an audience? When are we watching their "actual lives," and when is it some show they've produced? Do <i>they</i> know?<br><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I don't know why I felt the need for this rant, or why I've gone on so long now. I'm not recommending, by any means, that the wiki be converted to some kind of "book report" mindset; I guess I'm just suggesting that, when we try to make the realities presented in an email like this one agree, we keep reminding ourselves that we're discussing characters who may or may not be presenting a fictitious reality within their own "fictitious reality," all of which is subject to the whims of its human authors. I'm suggesting that we draw a line somewhere, preferably somewhere before discussing how sound effects can have "cousins," or what the names of the sounds in Strong Bad's employment were, and in what order.<br><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Perhaps Geddup Noise will enter the cast of characters like Senor Cardgage (another 4th-Wall-Break made flesh); it just weirds me out because unlike the Paper he's not merely inanimate, he's <i>immaterial</i>. But hey, so are Homestar's arms. So there.<br />
[[User:notstrongorbad|notstrongorbad]] 06:42, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;First of all, and this is off the subject, but anyone who would write such an eloquent, lengthy, and insightful essay on the nature of the H*R universe is doing us a disservice by not having a user space to speak of. That is to say, you may be neither strong nor bad, notstrongorbad, but I can tell when someone is my kind of person, and you're it. So get on that user page, why don't you. I for one would like to get to know you.<br />
:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Second, I really like the notion that TBC break the fourth wall, but then we just build it back as best we can. That is by far the best explanation of how we here cope with information that doesn't fit our established patterns. I believe this is a very necessary reaction, because we are essentially writing a straight-faced encyclopedia of a fictitious universe, and the only way we can do that is to take the subject matter as seriously as possible (which is of course incredibly ironic). I think (and if I read you correctly, you agree with me) that most people here operate in terms of what the characters themselves would do if they were real, rather than what TBC are having them do. In my own mind I imagine Strong Bad and Homestar as distinct personalities separate from Matt Chapman. This is partially delusional, but at least I'm aware of it. Again, it makes it easier to write this wiki if one approaches it on those terms.<br />
:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Note that we are not even close to the first to do this. The most notable example that comes to mind is the ''Star Trek'' universe, whose fans have had to incorporate the whims of hundreds of writers into a cohesive canon. In that regard, we're lucky we only have to deal with a handful of contributors.<br />
:Back to the topic at hand, even though the Paper is personified, it is still an item, not a character, and I don't see the Geddup Noise as a character, either. At least not with more to go on. I agree that we must be able to see a line between the fictitious reality and fictitious realities within it. Unfortunately, it's very late as I type this, and my vision is a little blurry.<br />
:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Wrapping up, I will remark on how I like that certain things can cross the line. Senor Cardgage is the perfect example. He began as the so-called Creppy Comb-over Strong Bad, but as he gained more and more appearances, TBC were forced to admit to themselves that Senor Cardgage had become bona fide separate character, and (to me this is the best part) that status was conferred ''retroactively'' all the way back to his first appearance in [[kind of cool]]. In other words, TBC didn't know it at the time, but the dumpy character with the beer belly and a comb-over has ''always'' been Senor Cardgage.<br />
:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I don't know if anything I've written here constitutes rational thought. Like I said, it's too late for me to even proof-read it closely, so forgive any typographical or logical mistakes. And I meant what I said about your user page. ;) &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 07:47, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::Well, notstrongorbad, you're seriously pushing the envelope of talk pagery here. And like dot com said, that's a very good thing. I myself have similar thoughts about the reality/non-reality status of the Universe (H*R and our own), but there's seldom any cause to put them down. Talk pages are such a place for this.<br />
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::Sometimes, I'm a fiction writer. When I made the step from short stories to my novel, I was a bit overwhelmed with the amount of characters, idioms, and qualities I was imparting into a true vacuum. From nothing, came something, and before long, that something grew so large certain elements were at odds. Continuity, or lack thereof, became one of my chief editing headaches. <br />
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::But my novel was a one-shot affair for the consumer of art - you read it, it's done. You could go back, but it's meant as a cohesive whole (with room for the sequel, of course!), and the reader will either buy into the woven fabric or find fault in it. H*R is a different artistic animal, one that is constantly being added to, constantly being meddled with. This meddling manifests itself in heavy doses of self-referential trickery. It rewards the fan who returns to see what has changed, and challenges that person to make sense of it. And therein lies the greatest joke of all - there really is no sense, or "truth" to be found. In a world of invisible arms, personified noises and disconnected telephones, TBC regularly present an incongrous, even inconsistent, format from which to indulge their comedic leanings. <br />
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::But they restrain themselves from complete incongruity, complete inconsistency. There are threads, and there are themes. From these tenuous strings and strands of their imagination, we, the devoted (and quite possibly obsessed) and computer-literate fans of the cartoon try to record it, standardize it, and glorify it. When TBC foist the concept of a personified noise on the viewer, we naively accept it; we want to accept it. As dot com related, thinking of the characters as "real" (and not just the product of Matt doing a funny voice and Mike writing funny dialogue) is simply more satisfying. Thinking too deeply about the underpinnings of these dumb animal characters dilutes the fantasy, and leads to troubling issues such as whether everything we see is the complete fabrication of Strong Bad.<br />
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::I close with three words: suspension of disbelief. If anything deserves it, it is H*R, for not only making us laugh but then compelling us to explain it. And please, get a user page and tell us a little about'cha self. &mdash; {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 11:22, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:::This conversation++.[[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 19:04, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::What. The. Crap. This is a frigging long discussion over a petty thing... {{User:Gafaddict/sig}} 19:24, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
:::You should know how to sign your posts by now, [[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]]. I surely hope you read some of their discussion. I enjoyed reading every word of it myself, so much so that I printed it out (on paper sans green and white bars.) It shows you who's really thinking deeply on the subject. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. I'd also like to get to know [[User:notstrongorbad|notstrongorbad]] better. Add me to the list of people who want him/her to create their own user page! {{User:The Paper/sig}} 19:22, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::::Sorry, I forgot about the sign thing. I'm not particularly just taking a look at the discussion and going "whoah its way too long," I've read over it, but I just feel that whether or not what Strong Bad says about E-mail #84 merits a discussion this long. {{User:Gafaddict/sig}} 19:24, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:::::Please understand, [[User:Gafaddict|Gafaddict]], that although the mention of email #84 prompted this discussion, the topic is not merely about what Strong bad says about that particular email, but it's about the bigger picture: what drives us members of the HRWiki community to keep our eyes glued to the monitor day in, and day out, waiting for the messages "NEW Toons!", "NEW downloads", "NEW SBEmails!", and "Updated Today!" -- and then, like eager little children we tell everyone else the incredible things we discovered in this marvelous little made-up universe. Even, if we're <insert an unspecified age> years old. It's cool stuff. Oh, yes and guys, I enjoyed reading the shpeals! (Is that how you spell it?) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 22:01, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:::::: Yes, I know, I was merely using that as an example. {{User:Gafaddict/sig}} 00:50, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::::::I don't have anything that philosophical to say, but I think it's spelled spiels. {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 22:05, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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Reprinted from [[Talk:Fourth Wall Breaks]]:<br />
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<pre> I may have a way out of all this: Strong Bad is running<br />
a small operation inside the homestar-verse for the benefit of those<br />
within it. That is to say, Strong Bad is an internet star inside the<br />
world of Homestar and Friends, which is why The Cheat can watch on<br />
his computer (or Strong Bad do the show from The Cheat's computer).<br />
In this context, we are not watching Strong Bad answer email for our<br />
benefit, but for those inside; we just get to watch, explaining why<br />
we can follow Strong Bad around when he leaves his computer. -- The<br />
Real Zajac 10:08, 11 May 2005 (PDT) <br />
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-- [[User:TheRealZajac|The Real Zajac]] 16:00, 27 Sep 2005 (PDT)<br />
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;I should clarify that I don't feel that my impromptu essay was in <i>any</i> way warranted or even particularly on-topic; it was purely an act of venting. In a fit of wikiness I was up WAY past my appropriate bedtime, which probably had a lot to do with its length! And yes, while I enjoy the grad-school-thesis schtick sometimes, I do also know it can get old. Sometimes the appropriate response is simply "Ha ha! He kicked the Cheat! Ha ha!"<br><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;And please don't misunderstand; I'm not arguing that we <i>shouldn't</i> undertake a systematic, realistic discussion of an unsystematic, non-real world, by any means. The important thing is just to remember, in the back of our minds, that we <i>are</i>.<br><br />
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;(And evidently I'm going to be creating a user page, but it probably won't be any time in the next few days!) [[User:notstrongorbad|notstrongorbad]] 23:59, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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I think you're whole agurment is a bit hypocritical when you told us in the "Boo" agurment to, "Note that his immobile mustache doesn't necessarily mean he's not making it; when someone's mouth is hidden by a mustache, they can make small mouth movements without it moving visibly."<br />
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:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Yeah, I can see what you mean. But actually the two have something in common. I tend to prefer a kind of "agnostic" philosophy about what the things in the 'toons mean. Some things are obvious, and never engender debate. Others are "mostly obvious," i.e. maybe one or two people interpret them differently, but everyone else is in agreement. And then other things provoke great diversity both in how viewers percieve them (see the gr----est debate above) and in how they create meaning out of those perceptions. The rant immediately above was precipitated because attempts to construe meaning out of the relative chronologies of Chairscoot, Geddy, and or other noises had reached an absurdist moment; I was advocating for sticking more to the obvious and undebated.<br><br />
:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;My comment in the "Boo"/"Doo" argument that you quoted is similarly motivated--there are certain things that are uncontested (although I was wrong to assume that one of those is the identity of the voice). We all agree that a sound occurred, and we agree roughly as to what it sounds like. The debate arises when we try to derive a meaning from the sound. In this case, given that it's not the most important moment in a shot that is relatively minor within the 'toon, I'd argue for not assigning a meaning at all.<br><br />
:&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;The bit about mustaches moving&mdash;which, you're right, is a real-world/'toon comparison that my rant above would seem to contradict&mdash;was another of my agnostic attempts to hedge my bet, to argue both sides. I emphasize "doesn't <i>necessarily</i> mean"; I certainly wasn't saying either that he is or is not creating the sound. And at least in this case, I'm disinclined to say either for sure; it's non-integral enough that I'm comfortable leaving it ambiguous. &mdash; [[User:notstrongorbad|notstrongorbad]] 23:31, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:: Well, I do agree with you that the fervor over minor aspects of a web cartoon seems frivolous. However, we're all here because we LOVE Homestar, Strong Bad and the rest. The whole focus of this love and the purpose of this site is to create an encyclopedic index of everything noteworthy about the series. It's easy to get into odd arguments about the realism of a cartoon, but it speaks of the passion we all have. I think I would hate my job a lot more if it wasn’t for Strong Bad's emails. So I'm inclined to let my fellow passionate fans debate whatever they like, and chime in when it's worth it.<br />
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== Sounds and Indietronica ==<br />
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Yesterday, somebody tried to make an Inside Reference saying that the sound that accompanied the "Get Outcha Seat Sound" logo was from Lil' Brudder, and was of course deleted with the explanation that "it's been noted that TBC reuse sounds." Now it's been added to the transcript, first as the "Fluffy Puff Nibblins" sound, and then as the "Homsar walking sound." Mightn't a good approach be to either ignore SFX entirely, except where they pertain to the action of the email (e.g. the Standing Up Noise), or else to give SFX that are repeated often enough their own pages, to systemize what they're called?<br />
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Unrelatedly: someone deleted the Real-World Reference to Indietronica entirely. While I don't want it to turn into a long list of bands that fit (?) that category, I think it's a significant enough phenomenon and far enough from assumed mainstream knowledge to be needed. Maybe the best way is simply to link to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indietronic, even though it's a somewhat sloppy stub. I'm not sure about protocol, though; would linking within the transcript or Easter Eggs section be appropriate, or should it be put back into a Fun Fact? [[User:notstrongorbad|notstrongorbad]] 04:40, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:Might I direct your attention to [[Sound Effects|my pride and joy]]? --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
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:And I would say put the indietronic link back as a fun fact, unless anyone has objections? {{User:Some HSR themed username/sig}} 04:45, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::Holy cow, Dorian; you were WAY ahead of me. Very shipshape. And consider the Fun Fact reinstated.<br />
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:::Thanks! ^-^ I love the praise. I can't take all the credit--It's dot com came up with the initial idea, and other people helped with some minor formatting and additions--but if you look at the history, the brunt of the work was done by me. And I constantly keep watch for more additions. Nice to know my hard work is appreciated. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]]<br />
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== Questionable Fun Fact ==<br />
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"The sign on [[Bubs' Concession Stand]] reads 'Bubso's Concession Stand', which may be why Coach Z calls him Bubso."<br />
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The sign being called "Bubso's" is already noted in the transcript, and it's obvious that Coach Z calling him Bubso is due to the sign, or that the sign and calling him Bubso are both due to a related reason. Either way, this doesn't have to be pointed out. --[[User:Der Pepper|Der Pepper]]<br />
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:I wouldn't have noticed it if it wasn't for this Fun Fact, but then maybe that's just me... --[[User:84.12.176.220|84.12.176.220]] 21:03, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)<br />
::I didn't notice it until I read the fact... - '''''[[User:Joshua|<font color=green>Joshua</font>]]'''''<br />
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== singer ==<br />
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Is the singer really Matt using his high voice? When you download the file, it says Mike Chapman.--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 01:55, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:I dunno, but personally, the voice sounds very female. I'd be very surprised if it wasn't.--[[User:Stux|Stux]] 03:14, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::It does sound female, but I don't know who it can be. It doesn't sound like Missy, and I have no idea or any backup if it is Jackie C. Matt is a very talented voice actor though. I guess no one knows for sure!--[[User:Martin925|Martin925]] 04:27, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:::I dunno Missy has quite a talented voice too! But yeah, it's somewhat different. I don't know who Jackie C. is unfortunately. And yeah no one knows for sure... for now! I'm sure it'll come out on some DVD or get leaked somehow ;) --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 07:11, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:I personally thought it was pretty clear they were thinking of The Postal Service, which would make the voice a (rather good) take on Benjamin Gibbards lofty vocals. --[[User:notstrongorbad|notstrongorbad]] 07:23, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::Ok now I have to listen to The Postal Service cuz I don't think I've heard them before! Thanks for the info. I still beleive there's a hint of femininity in the voice. ''Typically'' you can tell the difference between a girl singing Alto in her normal voice, and a guy singing in his falsetto voice. (Though there was this one contratenor who was part of this choir performing in Notre Dame Cathedral that was simply amazing...) ! --[[User:Stux|Stux]] 15:37, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:::I find it amusing that the boys in the middle school choir I observe are reluctant to hit the high notes, thinking that it's unmanly to use your falsetto. I feel like, "Ever heard of [http://www.subpop.com/scripts/main/bands_page.php?id=412 Postal Service], [http://www.deathcabforcutie.com Death Cab for Cutie], [http://www.sufjan.com Sufjan Stevens], Coldplay, The Shins, Mick Jagger..."--Hey, talk about countertenors, check out [[Wikipedia:Yes_(band)|Yes's]] Jon Anderson! When I was 15 my parents, in a mild midlife crisis, brought home ''[[Wikipedia:Fragile|Fragile]]'' on CD, and I assumed until told otherwise it was a woman singing. --[[User:notstrongorbad|notstrongorbad]] 19:26, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
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:::Um, I sing-a the rock and roll music, and sometimes bust out the falsetto - usually for back-up vocals. And the singing here is without doubt one Chapman or the other (my guess is Matt - anyone else hear the faint resemblance to Strong Sad?) doing falsetto. Oh, and no offense if anyone here is a countertenor (or a castrati, for that matter) but those fellas creep me out. &mdash; {{User:Thesmokingmonkey/sig}} 12:25, 4 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
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::I'm pretty sure it's one of TBC, as with Bottom 10 [the women's voice on the desserts] the voice did sound like it was done by a male but perhaps edited in a audio program to sound higher pitched [at least that's what I think, the comment on the last dessert convinced me], listening to the quote of the day version of it on my higher quality speaker system here it does not sound very female-ish at all to me. - [[User:Mick|Mick]] 01:15, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)<br />
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== Crazy Frog ==<br />
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I think it is meant to be like the Crazy Frog.. Some stupid noise taht everyone seems to like and even has songs made about it...<br />
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== Closed STUFF ==<br />
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=== I'm sorry, the correct answer was STUFF'd ===<br />
{{stufffact|The response to the geddup noise's wrong answer during The Show is a reference to the email button on [[Main Page 19]]}}<br />
{{stuffverdict|23:04, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)|03:01, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)|overwhelmingly declined|21|1|geddup noise}}<br />
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=== Bubs' Basement ===<br />
{{stufffact|This is the first mention of Bubs having a basement in his concession stand. }}<br />
{{stuffverdict|07:04, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)|02:58, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)|unanimously declined (and withdrawn by the original poster)|8|0|geddup noise}}<br />
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=== Lappy's Glass Screen ===<br />
{{stufffact|The noise Gavin makes while walking on the Lappy's screen is unrealistic, as Lappys don't have glass screens.}}<br />
{{stuffverdict|23:44, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)|21:20, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)|overwhelmingly declined|20|3|geddup noise}}<br />
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=== Weekling ===<br />
{{stufffact|The lights are off and Gavin is shown on the Lappy because it had been 7 weeks since the previous Strong Bad Email.}}<br />
{{stuffverdict|23:44, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)|14:20, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)|overwhelmingly accepted|23|1|geddup noise}}<br />
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===Geddy Rush Noise===<br />
{{stufffact|Strong Bad referring to the geddup noise as Geddy refers to bassist [[Wikipedia:Geddy_Lee|Geddy Lee]] of the band [[Wikipedia:Rush_(band)|Rush]]}}<br />
{{stuffverdict|20:16, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)|14:20, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)|overwhelmingly declined|21|2|geddup noise}}</div>65.78.119.123http://hrwiki.org/wiki/HRWiki:SandboxHRWiki:Sandbox2005-10-15T01:53:22Z<p>65.78.119.123: </p>
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Write random, yet appropriate things here:</div>65.78.119.123http://hrwiki.org/wiki/User:JhonkaUser:Jhonka2005-10-09T16:48:35Z<p>65.78.119.123: </p>
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<div> the name jhonka is from strong bad email [[impression]].<br />
I would appriciate it if you guys would state your oppinion at the discussion page of strong bad email [[geddup noise]] under the heading "scoot"</div>65.78.119.123http://hrwiki.org/wiki/User:JhonkaUser:Jhonka2005-10-05T22:11:01Z<p>65.78.119.123: </p>
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<div>Allow me to introduce you to both my secret weapon and your doom: Killingyouguy!</div>65.78.119.123