Talk:500 The Cheats

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[edit] Why?

What the crap? Why? Thunderbird 07:34, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

I dunno. Why not? Maybe they just had lots and lots of old The Cheat drawings sitting around. --Jay v.2023 (Auld lang syne) 07:53, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm with you, thunderbird. -- The Real Zajac 00:09, 13 Feb 2006 (PST)

I believe the answer to the question "Why?" can in this case be answered in two words: "Why not?" Heimstern Läufer 08:10, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
Wow, that was... odd. Feels like a Fanstuff. But I suppose it was because they have so dang many sketches lying around by now that they could edit them into a slideshow—kind of like leftovers casserole. The whole thing felt very Japanese, like the vibe of the original theme song video. —AbdiViklas 08:28, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Weird little toon. Heh. Maybe this was an early... uh... *very* early The Cheatday present? -YK 10:35, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Happy mornings. Email later. This will be a good day. Anybody want to count the drawings to make sure there are 500 of them? I'm kidding. —BazookaJoe 12:22, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
There are exactly 498 frames (not including the "loading" and the "done"). Each frame contains one The Cheat, so there should be about 500, if not exactly 498. Hmm. There are exactly 536 frames altogether. Doing it again shows me the first 13 frames are "loading", and the last 23 frames are "done". First 13 frames + last 23 frames = 36. 536 - 36 = 500. Exactly 500 frames, each including one The Cheat, which means there are exactly 500 The Cheats. Yay! —FireBird|Talk 13:37, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
I counted every single little The Cheat in the background (including ones that are usually obscured) and got to 407. - Joshua

Is this the Bros Chaps equivalent of "I got nothin'"?

This toon was accompanied by a "new email soon" button, which makes me think that they're just giving us a snack before the main course is introduced. Trey56 16:06, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
That snack was disgusting!!!! &mdash Young Roy
Really? I thought it was the cartoon equivalent of veal... Trey56 19:40, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Is this supposed to be a semi-rip of the HamsterDance? - Kharnellius

Maybe. Could be. Don't know be.

Cheddar Cheesia 17:41, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] That Was Fast...

Dayum, you guys are fast. XD

~ Jessica Ingmann

I've written plenty of pages before, happened to be around when the 'toon went up, and it's not like there was a whole lot to this one... --Jay v.2023 (Auld lang syne) 08:30, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
I honestly don't think there's any way better to summarize this toon except "What the crap? Why?". You get cupcakes, thunderbird.

[edit] Picture

I don't think we should have the image for this toon be the one with the real ghost cheat easter egg enabled. Can we have a different picture? - Alcnolien Has Spoken! 14:21, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree. I'll replace the current one with a new one. —FireBird|Talk 14:24, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] i can't hear it LOL

i'm in a library and I can't hear the toon till I get home - so, after reading the comments here ... I am convinced that it REALLY DOES suck ... I'm not just prejudging it from the silent version. --NERD42  email  talk   h²g²  pedia  uncyc  15:28, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

All you're missing is music. Oh, and it doesn't suck. —FireBird|Talk 15:29, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
um ... yeah it does. this crap would never survive on Newgrounds --NERD42  email  talk   h²g²  pedia  uncyc  20:46, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
No flash survives on Newgrounds unless it satifies one of the following: A.) It's really good. B.) It involves video game characters C.) It involves pooping D.) It involves pot-smoking E.)It involves violence G.) It involves sex. I have seen too many flashes there that satisfy B,C,D,E way too well without satisfying A. - cakeman
Yeah. Newgrounds seems to do that. Even though crappiness seems to have no effect. See: Sonic adventure 2 in four minutes; Super mario dumbshine; and super mario dy es. —Young Roy
It actually doesn't "suck" as much when it's accompanied by music. It's got a catchy tune. It's just a little bit of candy that they gave us before the Strong Bad Email. Appreciate that TBC gave you anything at all. —BazookaJoe 21:11, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
To respond to nerd42: I didn't think it was that bad, myself, and could see it as being something offered on Albinoblacksheep. Spell4yr 04:05, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Well, I liked it. It made me smile. It's so random, it's funny! Anyway, this isn't the forum so we'd better quit complaining about it before we all get told off. – The Chort 18:41, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Spell4yr, are you referring to the Demented Cartoon Movie?!! If so, are you implying that it is crappy? If so, NOES!!!! Okay, I admit it. It's horrible animation, but at least it's funny. Im a bell 05:18, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unique

Are each of the 500 The Cheats unique? Can somebody compare some and see if he can find any matches? (Because showcasing 500 unique Teh C. sketches is probably the point of this short.) - Joshua 16:12, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

possibly... i thought it repeated every 15 times or so, but im not sure after looking at it. to check,right click on the flash and uncheck play, then hit forward for each frame. do a screenshot of each one, and open them in a picture editor that allows multiple layers. then compare them in that. have fun. csours 17:53, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
There are 500 The Cheat objects in the file. That doesn't exactly prove anything, except that TBC probably knew we'd take it apart to find out whether there were 500 images. Comparing each The Cheat to the others would have to be automated somehow, as a manual comparison would involve 124,750 steps (to conclusively prove it true; if it were proved false, the comparisons would likely stop much sooner). If the images were exported I'm sure a program could be set up to compare them at the bit level. (Admittedly, this method wouldn't find a match where the same The Cheat drawing was simply scanned twice.) — It's dot com 19:03, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
Boy, are you guys ever in luck! I happen to have done a little bit of work on a process that is specifically used to efficiently distinguish large sets of objects. It's called "principle component analysis" or, when used for facial recognition, "eigenfaces". There are resources for it all over the web, and it's not even particularly complicated for someone with a solid background in linear algebra. Basically, each picture of The Cheat would be "normalized" so that his basic features are in the same place for each picture. Then, the algorithm assumes that any further inconsistencies are due to a random gaussian distribution, not systematic error. Then the pictures are simplified to their basic components resulting in-- are you ready for this?-- 500 eigenCheats! These 500 Cheats can be recombined to form any of the 500 original The Cheats with very little data loss. In this case, the most important analysis comes from looking at the spectrum for each Cheat and making sure that each spectrum is unique. The bad news is, as you could tell from my description, it's still a very complicated process, but the good news is that it's 100 percent automated once you lay down the code! I don't have the time or skill to take on a project this large and pointless, but if anyone out there is good at computer science or linear algebra, I think it would be a fun project. Some resources on eigenfaces are [1], [2], and [3].--Bobo the King 20:55, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Aaaaaagh! It's machine learning all over again! Oh wait, I'm still taking that class.... hmmmm. Anyway, Hehe, wow cool! Sounds like a neat idea ... my only concern is that since The Cheat will look quite like himself in most of the pics, the process will still think several of the pictures are still the same (false positives), but it sounds like a robust solution. So where did you work with this process at? I'm just curious :) --Stux 21:58, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
Heh, to be honest, I've never done anything for a class or job involving PCA. Basically, I came across "eigenfaces" while bored and struggling through linear algebra and thought they were really cool. A couple of months later, I revisited eigenfaces only to find that I had recently learned enough math to use them. After getting a little overly excited, I decided I would use the concept to create a voice recognition program. My program never worked properly (it turns out voices are a lot more complicated than I thought...), so that's why I don't want to do this project-- I'd probably screw it up.
Nevertheless, the third link I provided above has a ready-to-go eigenfaces program that seems to work just fine. The biggest hurdle is normalizing the Cheat pictures, which TBC seem to have given us a pretty good first approximation for. Still, their features have to line up almost perfectly for the gaussian approximation to be meaningful. You could vary horizontal and vertical stretch/skew as well as horizontal and vertical position for a total of six parameters. That means you'll have to find six identifiable features on The Cheat and either mark them yourself (time consuming) or have your computer find them automatically (difficult-- beyond my scope) and then fit each of those to a set standard. From there you can do the PCA analysis with ease. I have a feeling that unless someone reading this is absolutely nuts, it's not going to get done, but if we absolutely had to know if each picture is unique, that's how I'd do it.--Bobo the King 01:16, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Coool! Math rocks! Usually. As for the eigenfaces, it still sounds like too much work for the endeavour, so I'll have to decline that one. Still sounds like a really cool "waste of time" :) I also have other "techincal questions" regarding what to consider a "unique The Cheat" but I think i'll leave that for later. --Stux 02:01, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Music Track Layers

there are 3 music layers on this thing, the drums, the cheat, and some midi/synthesizer type thing... any of them familiar on their own? csours 17:56, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

  • Definitely the drum loop is from the homestar runner theme song. -User:Eman
    • I went ahead and added this reference. Eman

[edit] I agree with Strong Bad now...

Too much of a good thing is an awesome thing, but too much of an awesome thing is, um, dumb. And bad. -Strong Bad &mdash Young Roy
I don't see why everyone is complaining. I liked it. SaltyTalk! 03:54, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
You guys are not obligated to like everything on the H*R site, but complaining about it here is not helping matters at all. Either talk about it on the forum or send feedback to TBC. :P — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 16:43, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
I liked it. I thought it was nice. The tune was catchy. Bluebry 18:47, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
It was just creepy... -Kinsey
This was absolutely adorable! - Psi

[edit] Hamsterdance?

Could this be a possible spoof on Hamsterdance, were they have hundreds of hamsters doing different things to a high-pitched, uptempo version of the opening theme to Disney's Robin Hood?

Yes, I would say it that is possible. But only possible, and therefore not something we should note in the article. Heimstern Läufer 18:35, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

That is the FIRST thing i thought when i saw it, and it's actually the reason i've logged in right now, to see if other people "see it". it definitely has the resemblence, with the dozens of The Cheats in the background doing their thing, and the squeaky voice singing weird sounds with no words. If this the angle they were going for, the mind-altering funky weirdness thing, i'm glad they modelled it after hamsterdance, which pulls it off, and not badgerbadgerbadger, which doesn't =). Frank

Did somebody say "All Your Base?" Just because a toon might be similar to something on the Internet, it doesn't mean it was based on it. In any case, it's probably just a Stupid Coincidence. – The Chort 16:43, 21 February 2006 (UTC)


What's more to say? -Marth 99 20:53, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

That's a pretty good description, actually. I think that sums up this Talk Page quite well. :P — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 21:51, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
You guys can't be serious. I mean, you'd halfta have a screw loose not to love this cartoon. It's so cute and catchy, plus I'm obsessed with The Cheat. There's that. Darth Katana X (discussionitem_icon.gif user.gif mail_icon.gif)
Just a reminder: Please take opinions to the forum. Talk content here. Heimstern Läufer 08:37, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, man, but I'm done with the nasty forums. If it's bothering anyone, they can take it down. Darth Katana X (discussionitem_icon.gif user.gif mail_icon.gif)
Meh, these "opinions" seem harmless. --Trogga 23:54, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Inspired by The Cheat Theme Song?

I just watched The Cheat Theme Song for the first time in a while, and noticed a part where there are many The Cheats in a grid across the screen with the background changing colors. Is the similarity worth a mention? —AbdiViklas 01:04, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Is There?

Is There a constant loop of this song somewhere? Bassium!

[edit] Can anybody rip the song?

I love the tune that plays in this toon (teehee) but I don't know how I could download it myself! Does anybody have a version of the song that's in an audio file? --Camwoodstock 21:49, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

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