Talk:An Important Rap Song

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MP3

Someone post a mp3 of the song LOL i laughed so hard

Here you go: [1] Trey56 23:29, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Song lyrics

Since this is a song, I think the transcript should show the lyrics in lyric style, like they've been done on other pages. How is that done, exactly? And how do we handle the visuals separately from the lyrics? (Or do we?) —  KieferSkunk (talk) — 23:38, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... I'd say do the lyrics like:

Poo-ha ha ha ha

Poo ha ha ha ha ha ha

Or however it goes, and then

Poo-ha ha ha ha

{Cut to Bluebry's house}

Poo ha ha ha ha ha ha

You know, something like that maybe. But, there's probably some standard I'm overlooking. Bluebry 23:40, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

For most songs, we write them like this:

Well you're a rich kid, living in the suburbs
and there's not a whole lot to do.
You're strolling to the kitchen and what do you find?
A bunch of knives cold staring at you.

And the visuals are separate. That's really how this one should have been transcribed. --Jay (Talk) 02:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Which I've just done... I agree, it does read a lot easier that way. --phlip ^T_C 12:28, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Humans! Ahhh!

Should we mention that this is the first time the Brothers Chaps animated a human? This is the first time we get to see Mike's skill as a real life artist! (ha ha ha.) --~Rose 23:53, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

We see his real life skillz all the time! Anyway, don't forget best thing. Loafing 23:56, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Hmm... well... It sorta counts. But that was supposed to be done in a different style, like some other guy drew it. And this is more realistic. (again, ha ha ha.)--~Rose 00:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Don't forget for kids. That one was fairly realistic. 71.231.56.40 00:23, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I don't think this is the first. Remember the guy from the Senor Cardgage commercials? The middle aged guy? And remember the girl from the PBTC segment in Strong Badathon? Spyrox6 00:50, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I think this is worth a mention, in that it's the first time a musician-type guy has been animated (outside of TGS). All the other guys have been live-action: Limozeen, Tarantula... I will admit that Limozeen was animated in best thing, but that was the point and the "real" Limozeen was still live action. I'm pretty sure that Crack is the first in this category to have his "real" version animated. - Point7Q 01:02, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

But how do you know this was the "real" version of Crack Stuntman? Maybe it was an animated rap video.  : ) 65.26.154.192 01:24, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Technically, this is the first time TBC animated an actual human. best thing had cartoons in it. This is fairly realistic. And I'm pretty sure the real Crack Stuntman stood up in this episode. Strong Devon 01:36, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Regardless of whatever sort of convoluted way you guys make this a breakthrough, I don't think it deserves a mention on the page. - Joshua 01:57, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it does. It really is the first time a human has been animated. Oh well, whatever -- Abelhawk 02:06, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Excluding Limozeen, Balding Man, the Videlectrix Guy, Don Knotts, Teen Girl Squad, or Kid Speedy... some more than others. - Joshua 02:15, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

When I first saw it, I thought it was notable, but now I agree with Joshua. It's like an internal TTATOT.--Bobo the King 03:59, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Can we call it the first realistic 3-D animation of a human? TGS had a 3D episode, but it was stick figure 3D. csours 11:05, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

In what way are either 3D? - Point7Q 11:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

The animation on Crack Stuntman isn't really much more realistic than Limozeen-in-space... the only remotely 3D part of Crack's animation was him nodding his head in the "LOUD BASS" bit, and that was done with the same techniques they've done for years to make Strong Bad's head turn from side to side... --phlip ^T_C 12:09, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

TBC do humans pretty often. Crack Stuntman was probably meant to be a cartoon, like Limozeen and TGS. Not really notable. -- Nevadie 12:13, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it's the first human that isn't based on one of the Chaps, and isn't the guy from the Senor Mortgage commercial. I always forget to sign my things. --CertifiedArborist 15:31, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Not that this is likely to settle anything, but it may be notable for the discussion that Crack Stuntman is animated in the Cheat Commandos style- fixed thickness lines, grainy bitmap backgrounds, etc. So it's almost certain that Crack was intended to be a cartoon (assuming that Cheat Commandos is a cartoon in the HR universe) rather than a "real" person like the central Homestar crew. --Fiasco 17:26, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

the assumption that crack stuntman is a 'real' human is made because he claims to be the 'voice' of gunshaver. fictional cartoons are usually voiced by 'real' people. csours 21:23, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, of course Crack is a 'real' person. I'm just saying the depiction of him in the video is meant to be a toon. Consider that in the '80s, Cheat Commandos' biggest inspiration, G.I. Joe, featured professional wrestler Sgt. Slaughter as a cartoon character and as a live action host. And Crack Stuntman looks like Duke. And... and... well, I'm not sure. But I can taste the parallel. Can you taste the parallel? --Fiasco 18:52, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I am convinced. I withdraw my arguments and categorize this as "it sounded good in my head." I do still think this is the "real" Crack Stuntman, by which I mean the only version we'll ever see. - Point7Q 11:11, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Wait, the Videlectrix Guy, Don Knotts, Teen Girl Squad and Kid Speedy are humans? --Trogga 05:51, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to take this moment to say that Strong Mad (even though he has no neck) is about as "human" as Crack mister t 04:36, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

HOLY CRAP!! I relized I was wrong a long time ago, and was going to post it, but I kept forgetting. I didn't relize it would be such a big topic! Sorry about all this. --~Rose 00:05, 31 March 2007 (UTC), the no0b who started it all. :(

Just Wonderin'

About what time did this toon come out, eastern time? Homestar-winner 00:43, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I watched it shortly after 6:30 PM, and the first edits here are about then. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  08:58, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

First mention

I noticed something. If the "Poo-ha-he-ha-he" is supposed to be Crack Stuntman laughing to the word "Poo", then wouldn't that be the first mention of the word "Poo" (aside from the Poopsmith)? All I remember is everyone either saying "Crap" or "Whatzit". Spyrox6 01:04, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

"Poo-ha-hoo-ha-hoo" (or whatever) is just him imitating the sound of drums, not laughing at the word poo.-- Nevadie 04:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Im laughing at it. I think its making fun of fake white rappers that try too hard, getting the words wrong. csours 11:07, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Beats

Doesn't this sound sort of like that rap (I think it's Puff Daddy or P.Diddy or whatever) Losing My Head? Or is it just me?--CertifiedArborist 01:55, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Heh, I can't imagine any two raps sounding the same :P -- Abelhawk 02:06, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I'd say that the first section, the "2 Many Knives" bit is cribbed from "The Message" by Grandmaster Flash - compare "Kids don't play wit' 2 many knives" with "Don't push me 'cause I'm close to the edge"

Break

The way he says "break" sounds like a specific Cheat Commandos cartoon. Retromaniac 02:10, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, it could be in Let Us Give TANKS!, when Gunhaver says "Thanksgiving break." I'm sure this is a complete and utter coincidence, though.-- Nevadie 12:11, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

It would be fair enough, really, since Gunhaver is voiced by Crack Stuntman.. -- Mithent 17:03, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Cheap Commandos?

When Crack is introducing himself, it also sounds like he says "Cheap" (Or Chief) Commandos. Yes/No/Maybe? --Jrgilby 02:47, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Maybe. It's hard to tell. I'll wait for confirmation from someone on that one. 0rion 19:56, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I hear "cheap" but only once I had seen this, definitely not "chief" though DumbMuscle 22:29, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Email Styles

I really think the line "Kidz don't play wit' 2 many knives, c'mon, c'mon" sounds almost identical to Strong Bad's "Can you see that I've got e-mail styles, c'mon, c'mon" from senior prom. Somebody agree with me on this one!-- Nevadie 04:21, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I was just thinking that, but it's probably a coincidence. —Shwoo 09:08, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree. It does sound very similar. Retromaniac 16:09, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Clout?

Whassa clout mean? D'AAAAAAAAMM A CODFISH!

http://m-w.com/dictionary/clout – see definition 4 in particular. --phlip ^T_C 11:20, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

It means influence. Retromaniac 17:07, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Arthur

The animation of the pictures on the dollar bills is similar to the intro of Arthur. [2] (at 0:13). Retromaniac 16:02, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

King of the Hill

Crack Stuntman resembles the characters from King of the Hill. Retromaniac 16:02, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Both King of the Hill and Crack Stuntman are drawn in "realistic style" with black lines and no shading, but that's the only thing they share. Also, there's no thematic reason why TBC would make a King of the Hill reference in a kid's public service announcement parody. Not a reference. 71.231.56.40 19:27, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

not really... KOTH characters are all ugly, while Crack is arguably sexy. This message was left unsigned by 71.104.226.62

Holy crap... Who said that? Visorbot 386

[[3]] [[4]] I'm not a registered user, so I can't post screenshots. Just compare these two. Not the same at all. 71.231.56.40 19:49, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Blubry

If I remember right, I think that a user worked on this transcript. -Viklas 11:13, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Not exactly a politician

Rather than get into revision war, I figured I'd just take this straight here. One Fun Fact caught my attention on this article:

• This toon is a parody of various public service announcements in which prominent media figures (celebrities, politicians, etc.) attempt to give advice to children in the form of catchy songs, rap, etc. Common examples include campaigns against smoking and drug use.

If anything I'd say that this is much more along the lines of the public service announcements at the end of Saturday morning cartoon shows (such as G.I. Joe and Captain Planet) than political announcements. I think the fact is terribly misleading as it stands now. 0rion 20:02, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree, because it showed the very end of a Cheat Commandos episode, followed by the rap. Come to think of it, it did kinda remind me of those Captain Planet-type announcements.-- Nevadie 20:49, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the Saturday Morning Cartoon fact. --TotalSpaceshipGirl3 21:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Ditto. The cartoon fact. --TheYellowDart—(t/c) 21:18, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

I think that makes sense too: how does this version sound? Trey56 21:48, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

This toon is a parody of various public service announcements at the end of cartoon shows (such as G.I. Joe and Captain Planet) that attempt to give advice to children in the form of catchy songs, rap, etc. Common examples include campaigns against smoking and drug use.

I don't think that in this case it is specifically one or the other. I certainly don't remember captain planet or G.I. Joe rapping or singing. I seem to remember Paula Abdul singing. I don't remember any rapping about safety on TV in general. Rather, this seems to be a mismash of Public Service Announcements, After School Specials, end of show safety announcements, and even In-Class learning tools. I can't think of a particularly short way of summarizing this, but I think it does the toon injustice to refer to it as a direct parody of any of these.

Well, I went ahead and changed it, per this discussion. If there are any major disagreements, we could always STUFF this one. Although it seems as though we're in reasonable tandem, so that probably won't be necessary. 0rion 04:13, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

The revision sorta killed the joke to me. --Ang the Ephemeral 06:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Actually, when I wrote that original fun fact, the politician reference I had in mind was Arnold Schwarzenegger, then Chairman for Bush Sr.'s position of President's Council on Physical Fitness and Sports (1990-93). He and other political figures would occasionally appear on these Saturday morning PSAs saying things like "Hi, I'm (politician), here to remind you to just say No to drugs" and similar messages. They basically would try to serve as role models to children. They weren't allowed to campaign politically in these PSAs, though, and to my knowledge they still aren't. —  KieferSkunk (talk) — 04:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Wouldn't this fact be better in the Real World References rather than the Explanations section? mister t 04:44, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Delay

Did anyone else notice that the new stuff bubble didn't appear for this toon until today (the 26th)? --CertifiedArborist 00:25, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect Location!?

In the locations section, it lists Blue Laser Cottage. I assume this means that Blue Laser is supposedly in the cottage. However, The Commander and Minions appear to be in the Cheat Commandos HQ, as evidenced by Gunhaver's picture on the wall. This same background was used for the CC HQ in Let us give TANKS!, when Gunhaver was staying behind at the base. Also, the Blue Laser Cottage was 'splown up. EYanyo 04:32, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Naw. Compare the kitchens shown in Tanks and Rap Song. They're obviously the same room.Bluebry 04:35, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Possible Real World Reference

The lines "Meet a bunch of kids from Alabama/ beach volleyball slamma jamma!" may be a reference to a popular cheer for the Crimson Tide. (The Crimson Tide are the football team for the University of Alabama, and the cheer itself goes "Ramma jamma yella hamma, give 'em Hell, Alabama!") Crack's mispronunciation of certain things might explain why it's "slamma jamma" instead of "ramma jamma," but I also don't think the odds are very good that TBC would be familiar with that cheer so it may just be coincidence.

Just puttin' it out there.

I think they were just rhyming things with "Alabama". —Shwoo 12:12, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Grandmaster Flash

I was wondering if anyone else noted the similarities to Grandmaster Flash's classic of rap, "The Message," particularly the way the line "Kids, don't play with too many knives," relates to the refrain "Don't push me cause I'm close to the edge." Dig:

OGG Sample

(Or perhaps you have to be of a certain age?)

Wonder if this merits mentioning in the article?

Reversion Comment

There's a comment under "Goofs" stating that the second Pistols for Pandas visor is just a reversion of the first. However, I feel that this was more of an intended effect than a goof that TBC missed. Does it really belong there?

It's a fuzzy area when you're talking about music videos, but since Crack is wearing both visors at the same time and they're not completely symmetrical on his head (ie. intentionally mirrored), I think it's more likely that he was just supposed to be wearing two identical visors and the cheap way to get the second one there was just to flip it horizontally.

Keep in mind that there are other precedents for this sort of thing happening, too - Let Us Give TANKS! has a scene where one of the Blue Laser Minions has a fork stuck in one eye, but when he turns to face the other direction, the fork switches eyes. This is again due to the horizontal flip.

That said, this seems like a common enough occurrence that we can validly debate about why it keeps happening - are TBC consciously doing the flip, hoping nobody will notice? Are they doing it to make fun of similar animation goofs elsewhere? Are they not aware of the goofs? Do they simply not care? Unfortunately, we don't know what they're thinking, and it's usually a bad idea to speculate in the article. —  KieferSkunk (talk) — 06:52, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Can anyone think of an example where this happened?

OK, I offer a preliminary slap in the back of the head to anyone who tries to push this into "breaking the 4th wall" category, but was there ever a cartoon where the voice of the cartoon came out at the end and said "Hi, I'm the voice of such and such?" We mentioned Seargent Slaughter, but there, they just animated a pro-wrestler, and the Spongebob guy does some live action promos...but never...actually acknowledges who he is, he pretends to be a pirate. The idea of a cartoon character's voice stepping forward in person, to a child, seems at first tantamount to Mickey Mouse taking off his head mask in front of kids at Disney World, but somewhere in the back of my head I vaguely remember, "Hi, you might remember me as the voice of such and such," then uses both their voice, and the cartoon voice for the PSA point. Was it the Roger Rabbit guy? Too long here, I know, but can anyone think of an example?

Perhaps being the voice of "gun-shaver" is Crack's only claim to fame. mister t 04:40, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Poo hahahaha

Was that human guy laughing at the word poo? I'm laughing right now!--74.234.58.172 13:55, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

By the way, that was me who said that above, I just wasn't logged in.--Ava 13:56, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

See above. --TotalSpaceshipGirl3 15:25, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Baywatch ref?

The pink letters scrolling to the left with the beach in the background looks like a ref to baywatch. But I'm not sure. Gerkuman 18:25, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

TR-909?

How sure are you that's a real TR-909 making the beats (see Trivia), for all we know it could be a VST, or samples, or clone...— 69.55.193.129 (Talk | contribs) 1:50, 30 March 2007 (UTC) (left unsigned)

Hm, that was added here. You raise a good point, as it could easily be from ReBirth RB-338 or something like that (assuming that the sounds are unique to the TR-909). -- Tom 01:59, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Sound Quality

OK, so there's been this fact in the Remarks section saying that the sound quality is significantly higher than in most other cartoons on the site. I really think this fact is questionable. Isn't the whole thing subjective? Can different people have differing opinions on the sound quality of this toon? And now someone has adding to it, saying that the character videos of The King of Town and Marzipan also have better sound. To be honest, I could not hear any difference at all. This fact should be removed. — Has Matt? (talk) 23:52, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you, however, methinks it need be STUFFed. Bluebry 23:53, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps there is a technical reason for the claim that the quality is better (like a higher bitrate). Let's ask around about that before sending it to STUFF. — It's dot com 00:09, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

There's a difference?

I don't get out much so I'm kinda curious about something. In the hip-hop lingo, what's the difference between "Fresh" and "Fly"? - Ren Foxx 18:50, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

There used to be an explanation on this, but it was removed. --DorianGray 18:54, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

I put it back 'cause it's interesting (on the assumption that it's true; if it's not true, someone please say so). — It's dot com 18:58, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Well, according to urbandictionary.com, "fresh" means "cool, in style", whilst "fry" means "cool, in style". The joke is they mean the same thing. For example, the TV Show The Fresh Prince of Bel-Air and The Offspring's Pretty Fly (for a White Guy). – The Chort 18:57, 31 March 2007 (UTC)