Talk:Compé

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Tip: Since it will probably be necessary in the near futuré, you can type the é by holding Alt, typing 130 on your numeric keypad, and releasing Alt. This beats having to hunt it down to copy/pasté. --Emtu 17:23, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Or try pressing Ctrl and Shift at the same time, and then pressing the / key. Result: é. To switch back to the standard keyboard mode, press Ctrl and Shift at the same time until pressing / results in /. That'sBupkis! 17:44, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Bupkis, that method's not working for me. i'm pretty sure Alt-130 is the best way. (this has to be on the keypad, it doesn't work on the numbers above the letters) The Knights Who Say Ni 17:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, my keyboard lacks a keypad, so the Crtl and Shift method was likely made as an alternative. That'sBupkis! 17:54, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Also, you can make it by entering é. It shows up in the Wikicode as that, but it looks like é on the page. Some people's editors have been known to do bad things with unusual characters and translate them into gibberish or "normal" characters, so this method should generally be safer; it used to be the standard here, but that may have changed. So be extra careful of people accidentally turning "Compé" into "Compe" or "Comp&53" or something like that; "Compé" shouldn't have that problem. --Jay (Talk) 19:08, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

PS. While it's obviously unsuitable for the name of the page, the "é" version of é should be link-friendly, like this: Compé. --still Jay (Talk) 19:12, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Jay, that's the one method i really don't want to see on the wiki. it takes up 8 times the amount of space the other one does. Everyone else: Let it be known that if you use that method, it will likely be changed to the real é. (i would anyway, and i have on this page already.) Another thing you can do is Alt-0233 on the keypad. not sure why there are two different keypad systems, or why one is much bigger than the other... The Knights Who Say Ni 19:39, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it's wiki policy and all-around good practice to use html codes for special characters. So that's the ONLY method we should see on this wiki. — Defender1031*Talk 19:43, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I suspected as much. As I said: some people's editors do weird things to "unusual" characters. I've seen this happen accidentally even from regular users. The html codes are 100% safe. --Jay (Talk) 19:47, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Well, i saw it last night and it hurt my head. i'm not about to force everyone else to use a certain method; you may certainly use whatever method works for you. I'm sorry if the last post came across more harsh than i meant for it to, just saying that if i see it, i'll probably change it. The Knights Who Say Ni 19:52, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

No, do not change it from é. If you see that, leave it be. This is an order. --Jay (Talk) 19:56, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

while i did see this coming, it doesn't seem like favoring one method or the other is harmful at all. however, i will attempt to obey as long as you say "if you see é, don't change it to é". The only thing is, it still seems to me like a 1-byte method is infinitesimally better than an 8-byte method. The Knights Who Say Ni 20:12, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to wait for the input of someone higher on the totem pole than me, but I'm not promising that. I'm attempting to find an example of the problem caused by special characters, but actual usage of special characters is rare enough that it's hard. I know there was one with the "½" character (it was printed as an actual character and one person's edit inadvertently turned it into "1/2", which then looked all wrong.) Problem is, providing the link will be difficult, as that happened years ago, and I think (not sure) it was on the Strong Bad Email page, which has skrillions upon kajillions upon hundreds of edits. --Jay (Talk) 20:20, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Sorry, it should always use the html code. It SHOULD be changed if it's the other way in the code. And "infinitesimal" is right. The difference in space is negligible. The difference in functionality outweighs it. — Defender1031*Talk 20:21, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I'm inclined to disagree. With the ever-increasing adoption of Unicode, I find the use of straight characters much more convenient than html codes (which I find harder to memorize) and they make the wikicode easier to read. Issues like the ½ turned into "1/2" may have been a bug, or lack of knowledge by the editor (where the html-code version would fare no better). An example of a page with issues is Category:Señor Filmography on Special:UncategorizedCategories which I'd consider a Mediawiki bug that should be fixed. Nevertheless I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with using html codes, but if we were to "enforce" some "standard" here, I'd opt for inline characters in lieu of html codes. --Stux 20:36, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

(edit conflict for at least the 5th time today) ok ok ok, i'm not going to change them, unless there are, say, 128 odd characters on a page, and it would save 3/4 of a kilobyte to write it the short way. so basically, since that is quite unlikely to happen, i probably won't ever anymore. so can't all the methods be accepted? Right now where i would like to stand is: Anyone may use whatever method they want to write the character, and they will not be tampered with.
i remember seeing some sort of weird hexadecimal code once in the url bar that was even harder on the eyes than è on the -èd page. The Knights Who Say Ni 20:40, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Page titles are a different matter; they're harder to change by accident. That's the real problem. (Stux, the ½ → 1/2 problem was not a deliberate edit on the part of the editor. Bug? Yeah, probably, but since it's not on our end, best to pre-empt it.) --Jay (Talk) 21:27, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

AHA! Found it! Took long enough. Actually, that one was never updated to the proper formatting, I now notice, but that is an example of the problem I indicated. --Jay (Talk) 01:06, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

BTW, even accented letters used to glitch out when we switched formats. Looking at certain very old revisions of existing pages shows that certain letters get "?"ed out. Look at the "What Links Here" page on Señor to see an example; I saw some of this, too, when attempting to go through old edits today. --Jay (Talk) 01:19, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

I think this discussion is more important than just this one page... so I've started a section on HRWiki talk:Standards about it. I suggest we continue discussing this over there. --phlip ^T_C 10:30, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Acér?

Is it just me, or does the Compé's logo, with the "pé" in itallics, mimic Acer's logo, which has it's "e" in itallics? Mind you, as I type, I'm using one of their flat-screen monitors, which is the Compé's signiture feature, so maybe the desgin similarity is intentional...? That Game Dude 386 14:19, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Window Manager/Desktop Environment/Operating System

Don't assume it's a new operating system. It could be the same operating system (updated even) just plastered with a new desktop environment and/or window manager. ColdReactive 15:11, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Softer Keypresses

Is it just me, or does the Compé have a softer\smoother keypress sound? -ReverendTed 15:56, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, it does. And, in response to your question on independent, I believe it is more worth mentioning on this page. —Soiled Bargains ^(talk|ctrb) 16:21, 10 August 2009 (UTC)