Talk:DNA Evidence

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Article name

I think that we should move the article for the toon to DNA Evidence and just use the {{abouttoon}} and {{for}} disambiguation notices for the top of the page, rather than having a separate disambiguation page. My reasons: (1) the toon is more important than the running gag, now that all the appearances of the gag have been included into the toon, (2) it will make it easier to cite the toon in the future, which will be necessary for the article much more often than for the gag, (3) it will look better in {{toonnav}} at the top of Date Nite and the other one (currently The King of Town DVD), although we could just do a workaround by substituting the template or using a parserfunction in {{toonnav}}. Trey56 23:19, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree. It should be moved to DNA Evidence. Loafing 23:22, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

AGREE/10 Dr. Clash 23:32, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Agree. That seems to be a worthy proposal. --Chiron 23:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

Detective

When Homestar was running around in his little detective outfit, isn't that a lack of visible ar- wait, it was already referenced. Oh well. "It's gonna cost you an arm and a leg!" --Chiron 23:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)

His arm being visible inside that sleeve (so to speak) is going to answer a lot of questions about invisible arms vs telekinesis, eh?

Goofs

I actually saw this: When Marzipan first walks up to Bub's concession stand, She did not have her toga on. After I got off and got back on a short time later, She was wearing her toga when she walked up to Bub's's.

I noticed this too. I added it. If anyone disagrees, go ahead and remove it. ;) DNA Evidence 02:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Dangeresque, Also?

Strong Bad seems to be reprising his role of Dangeresque while he is being interviewed by Strong Sad - he's wearing the glasses, he's in the smoky office, he even says the catchphrase. Should this be mentioned in the Cast section? Not Horse Woman 00:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I even heard some of the Dangeresque music at one point! Neox

ONE point? --Neumannz

Well, of course. He even says "I'm gonna have to jump!" at the end. No question he was being Dangeresque.-- Nevadie 21:13, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Homestar's teeth

On Strong Sad's chart, Homestar is shown smiling with teeth showing. Where should this fact go? -72.26.64.24 00:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I was bold and stuck it in Remarks. If that isn't appropriate, you can move it. -HotBees 00:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Delete

Could one of y'all sysops delete DNA Evidence because the actual toon is called The DNA Evidence and I was going to move DNA Evidence (running gag) back to DNA Evidence. Homestar-Winner (talk) 00:47, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Precedent is to name the articles by whatever the Toons Menu calls it, even if that's different to the title card in the toon. The menu calls this toon just "DNA Evidence", without the "The". Look at KOT's VOQPCS! and A Folky Tale... --phlip ^T_C 00:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Edit Conflict'd

I thought it was just the transcript we couldn't touch. Retromaniac 01:00, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Yeah it happens even when I try to edit ANOTHER section. --Addict 2006 02:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Dang!

The cleaner on Coach Z's Janitator cart was called "DANG!". This could possibly be in reference to a product called BAM in North America which has an onomatopoea for a brand name. Thoughts? PlasticDiverGuy 01:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Meh, seems TTATOT to me, cleaning products with catchy monosyllabic names are fairly common. Not Horse Woman 02:00, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I think "DANG!" and "BAM" are pretty similar. Loafing 02:53, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

The last time I checked, "dang" wasn't an onomatopoeia... EYanyo 02:54, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Dang isn't onomatopoeia by itself, but the adding of the exclaimation mark, especially on a cleaning product, suggests it's a made-up one, like using "Zonk!" on the 60s Batman show. - PlasticDiverGuy 03:07, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Uh, no. "Dang!" is an interjection. Not an onomatopoeia at all. When was the last time you heard something go "Dang!" when it hit the floor? --~That Guy Over There () 04:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

True enough, it's an interjection, but the name "Dang!" might be a reference to "BAM" by EasyOff and that was why I put it here in the first place. There aren't any other spray-on cleaning products I can think of or find with a more similar name. - PlasticDiverGuy 05:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Also, the same product is marketed in the UK and South Africa under the name "BANG", which might be relevant. --Johnny Ord'nary 08:23, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

When's the last time they made a cultural reference to something outside of the western hemisphere? Furthermore, I don't know that "bam" is more of a possibility than [1] "shout." --71.203.169.248 09:58, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I dunno, Lux, I usually say "dang" when I hit the floor, and a few other words to boot. --Neumannz

I think that by this point it's pretty clear TTATOT. 'Nuff said. DeFender1031 10:00, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Dangeresque 3

Since SB is dressed like Dangeresque, maybe the famed Dangeresque 3, if there is ever one, will be about the DNA evidence. just a guess, though. -Zerlock1124

I'm pretty sure that this toon marks the culmination of the DNA evidence gag. EYanyo 02:55, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Approved Comics

Both of the easter egg comics appear to bear the mark of the Comics Code Authority. While the mark is fairly close to the real thing, the text of the mark on comic books in real life reads, "Approved by the Comics Code Authority". The text in the comics in this toon do not match that text. - PlasticDiverGuy 02:10, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Old Maid Marzipan?

"Old Maid Marzipan" sounds more like a reference to "Maid Marian" than just simply "Old Maid." Do you think it's both maybe? --Abelhawk 02:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Possibly. I think it's just more of an old-timey reference to an unmarried woman, rather than a card game. Any thoughts?--NoMayonnaise 04:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

If Goody Marzipan didn't merit a mention (even being wrongfully gunned down in STUFF), I don't see why this should. --DorianGray 04:08, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Office Space again! I said Office Space again!

I realize this has been voted down several times already in previous toons/emails, but, yeah, I'm just gonna go ahead and point out what I believe is another oblique reference to Bill Lumbergh of Office Space: Strong Bad's message on the Lappy starts with "Hi. Yeah, go ahead and...", which is very similar to Bill's manner of speaking. And in this case (as with previous turned-down references), the context is clearly similar to that of Office Space, where Strong Bad writes as sort of a manager, presumably to someone he views as a subordinate. That's where the similarity ends, granted, but I believe there is a definite similarity there. —  KieferSkunk (talk) — 04:19, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

And of course, it's possible (not entirely likely, but possible) TBC have seen our discussions and included this just to vex us. =3 --DorianGray 04:22, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Personally, if you ask me, I think they've been messing around with us for quite some time now. :) Especially with non-sequiturs like Drive-thru. —  KieferSkunk (talk) — 04:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Heck, THIS toon is a pretty big indication of their liking to vex us. --DorianGray 04:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Dorian, i think it's likely. They've said that they use the wiki a lot. Plus... Who knows that they're not actually one of the users on the wiki... How do we know they're not... YOU! DeFender1031 04:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I just think the idea that TBC, who for the most part are pretty anonymous behind Homestarrunner.com and (to my knowledge) have never directly interacted with the wiki, might be sitting there wondering what they can throw out there that'll totally mess with our minds and get us buzzing over here... I just find that really amusing. :) —  KieferSkunk (talk) — 04:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Loose end

This cartoon explained almost everything, except why Pom Pom wanted Homestar to bring him the DNA evidence in "From Work." BethEnd 04:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Umm, what about why it was in the movie they were watching? It left that out too. DeFender1031 04:29, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Hence the subtitle "Your questions sorta answered!". :) Don't read too much into it. —  KieferSkunk (talk) — 04:30, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, actually, strong sad DID say "just like in the movies". DeFender1031 04:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Heh, or how marzipan got the pink TAMPERED test tube --Zatchman 13:41, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I think Bubs just filled it with whatever soda or coloring he had around the stand. BethEnd 14:57, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Or how about why Strong Bad wanted the DNA evidence to continue experiments on The Cheat when he knew that it was Strong Sad's DNA he was preventing Bubs from analyzing. ~jeadly 16:52, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

THAT was just a flat-out lie to Strong Sad to cover himself. --Abelhawk 19:10, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Twin Peaks

Ok I tried to say this was a reference to Twin Peaks. Am I doing something wrong? Why is this being removed when I add it?

Because it's TTATOT. Countless shows have "previously on" segments. --DorianGray 05:17, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I understand that, but Twin Peaks has the trademark jazz and fingersnap "previously on Twin Peaks" segments. This wouldn't be the first time Twin Peaks was referenced by TBC either.

Maybe true, but it's still TTATOT. jazz and fingersnaps are common to detective shows. DeFender1031 05:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

That's fair enough. I just know that as a Twin Peaks fan, this reference seems to scream out at me. :) Apologies for being anonymous. Gotta look into getting a user ID.

Umm, it's the link at the top right of the page. ANY hrwiki page. DeFender1031 05:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

You should! Creating a username is free and has many benefits. Also, I don't know anything about Twin Peaks, but you do have a point that the show has been explicitly referenced in the past. Trey56 05:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

thx... created an account. I know it wasn't rocket science, but hey I hadn't gotten around to it before now. :)

YAY! now you should remember to sign your talk posts with four tildas: ~~~~ so that it leaves your user name and a timestamp. Like these right here: DeFender1031 05:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Mild Mannered Alter-Ego

Could this phrase be a reference to Calvin and Hobbes? That's where I first saw it. I'm amazingly out of the loop on popular culture though, so I could be wrong. --JamesGecko 06:42, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but I think it was first used to describe Clark Kent, Superman's mild-mannered alter ego. I do know that it's a cliche in superhero comics. —Shwoo 06:44, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it translates back to early Superman, where Clark was described as a "mild-mannered reporter". --DorianGray 06:45, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Superman is the ultimate source I believe. It also translates to Unix geeks, where the concept of a "super-user" exists, (one with root access on their account, see man (8) sudo). Unix admins often refer to non-priveledged users as "mild-mannered".—BryanCTC 07:21, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Maybe we should mention the Superman/Clark Kent/Kal-El thing on the article, it is a clear reference. ~ SlipStream

Seems to me to be more like a generic reference to superheroes and their alternate identities. The "mild-mannered" bit also applies to Spiderman/Peter Parker and numerous other heroes, although it is correct to say that Superman started the trend. —  KieferSkunk (talk) — 18:25, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

toothéd

It seems at least notable to me to mention Homestars teeth.

I totally understand the arguments against and why the references have been removed.

I still think it's worthy of note, as his teeth aren't a normal thing.

—BryanCTC 08:43, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

TBC are definately playing with our minds... DeFender1031 08:45, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Are those his teeth? I thought it was just hatching. DEI DAT VM^┌_{datvm center}\^{super contra}_┘

It's just the back of the side of his mouth. It shows even on his normal model, when his mouth's open. --Abelhawk 19:13, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Do You Think...?

Do you think that this started out as:
a. Just something in one of the SBEmails that just stuck around (3 votes)
b. Was planned as a running joke (0 votes)
c. Planned as a big toon (0 votes)
d. Something entirely different (0 votes)

Personally, I think it was something in one of the SBEmails that they just decided to run with. (In other words, option A.)
--ArgentAngel 10:46, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Voting isn't necessary here, unless you think you can go into the past and change TBC's motive with your willpower. ¤ The Mü _{Talk to me.} 17:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Well, I'm just curious as to what people think. --ArgentAngel 22:06, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Probably a topic better suited for the forum. —  KieferSkunk (talk) — 22:11, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

French

Two things. First of all, Strong Sad's pronunciation, is that a foreign pronunciation? He has in the past accentuated in either French or Japanese. However, the French word for "due" is "dû." Is Homestar trying to say "Mountain Dû" and "tastes like dûdû?" Obviously it's a mistranslated pun, but it's [not the first time.]--71.203.169.248 10:48, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Strong Sad's pronunciation of "Marzipan" is not French. I don't know what it is, but it's certainly not French. Moreover, "dû," the past participle form of "devoir," is not pronounced like "doi." Pensivepoet.babblingbard 23:49, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I think the pronunciation of Marzipan is a reference to Strong Bad's old accent. At least, it sounds just about the same as when SB said it in The Reddest Radish. - Wrath 15:10, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Taxidoimied Strong Bad

The scene where Homestar hangs up his coat and hat on the 'statue' of Strong Bad suplexing a cougar is from 'your funeral' where it's one of the ways SB wants to be preserved - and apparently part of a sbemail "fantasy" segment. How does that work? Did SB actually die and come back to life during that email?

No, it was clearly a fantasy because of Strong Bad's changing his mind back at the Lappy. Not sure how it works here though. - Joshua 16:09, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Not to mention, the "previously on..." segment is literally just a series of clips from previous emails, regardless of how they fit in to whatever passes for a reality in the H*R universe. :) Whoever qualifies as the director of the toon (in-universe) just took the clips verbatim. (Obviously, that's true out-of-universe as well.) —  KieferSkunk (talk) — 18:28, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Previously....

Didn't Bonus Stage once do an intro that looks very similar to this toon's intro? Homestar-Winner (talk) 11:22, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Twice, actually, but it's just a coincidence. Hagurumon 14:42, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Let's not forget fingers and retirement. --DorianGray 18:16, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Clue

Isn't the plot for this similar to that of the board game Clue? Retromaniac 16:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Not really. Do you see "Marzipan in Da Basement with Eggs" anywhere? Clue focuses on traveling from place to place and making conjectures, not going to different people and interviewing them. ¤ The Mü _{Talk to me.} 17:04, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Fun facts

Two things I noticed in the Fun Facts section (I want to hear your opinion first, so I didn't edit it)

Strong Sad looking up at the toon title in the beginning of the toon breaks the fourth wall.

I believe he was looking up to some kind of banner that is part of his presentation. "Coincidentally" the banner is also used as the toon title. So it wouldn't necessarily be a Fourth Wall break since the sign actually "existed". --80.135.88.26 16:46, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

There's a fourth-wall break somewhere in there, whether it's Strong Sad or the banner itself. If the banner shifts out of the title screen and into Strong Sad's scene, then the banner itself has broken the fourth wall. If Strong Sad is looking at an element that is physically outside his scene, then he's breaking the fourth wall. —  KieferSkunk (talk) — 18:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Decline. I see nothing. Retromaniac 21:38, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

After looking at it in more detail, I agree that it's not clear he's breaking the fourth wall here. Strong Sad has been known to do so before, but in those cases it's really obvious. —  KieferSkunk (talk) — 22:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

This cartoon is the conclusion to the DNA Evidence story arc.

I agree, it looks like this - On the other hand this seems exactly the kind of statement to me that would seduce TBC into making even more DNA evidence references, just to annoy the wikians :) So maybe we should be careful with claims like these. --80.135.88.26 16:46, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I would have worded it: "This cartoon is based on the DNA Evidence running gag that appeared in five straight Strong Bad Emails, starting with X." I agree that declaring it the END of the story arc may be premature, since we don't know what TBC's plans are for this gag. I'm sure we'll see an occasional reference to it from here on out. :) —  KieferSkunk (talk) — 18:32, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Continuity

"Well, it all started several weeks ago." "Well, it all started a few weeks ago." "Yeah, I went over to Strong Bad's the other day." This whole thing occurred in TWO days, didn't it? One day when the DNA evidence went around, and then Coach Z 'took it to work the next day.' Then again, they may just be referring to when the emails happened, which was, as of now, 'several weeks ago,' etc. --Abelhawk 19:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. This is a fourth-wall break. They're clearly referring to several real time weeks ago, which happened to be two days their time. Retromaniac 21:33, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Keep it rusty

This is one of those rare cases when you can hear what's actually being said by slowing down the audio. I'm going to change the transcript and subtitles now. ¤ The Mü _{Talk to me.} 19:18, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree, it sounds like "rusty," not 'rustic."

I have no opinion one way or the other. I asked the guys in the channel when i was doing the write up and "rustic" seemed to be the consensus. I have no idea which it is, and will let you guys fight it out. DeFender1031 20:26, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Reference to email #12?

As you might have noticed on the Lappy's screen, does the email Strong Bad receives in credit card seem to ring a bell? I know the message on the screen is slightly similar.

Test Tube Reoccurance

Underlings was the only email to not specifically use the term DNA evidence in dialogue, but the test tube on the "You-reek-a" shirt does look exactly like the one used to hold the DNA evidence. worth mentioning? 71.104.226.62 00:32, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Not really. It's a generic test tube. ¤ The Mü _{Talk to me.} 00:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

deep breaths

is it just me or do the voices sound a little "off" and obviously "breathy" as compared to the normal voices. specifically marzipan, whose voice sounds different and missy is apparently blowing into the mic on purpose. TheDude 01:47, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

4th wall break

Homestar's voiceover at the very beginning is a 4th wall break. Retromaniac 02:04, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Homestarms!

I think this is pretty clear proof of the idea that Homestar has invisible arms, and doesn't use telekinesis or whatever. When Homestar drinks the DNA evidence, the arms of his trenchcoat move and bend like a real (visible) arm would, and the sleeve is even open as if there was an arm in it.

Yes this was added to the main homestar article. pleas sign your posts. DeFender1031 15:17, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Angry Strong Sad or Strong Sad laughing

hey has anyone seen Strong Sad angry or laughing before this came out? Dayle14 16:42 17 May 2007

Yes, see Strong Sad Smiling. Angry? Not except for in rough copy. DeFender1031 15:43, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

24 Reference

The "Previously on HomestarRunner.com" opening is a direct reference to the opening sequence of 24 with the main character narrating and the color of the background and typeface. I was going to include it but there was a note that said not to. I think the reference is strong enough to warrant inclusion especially considering in the past there was a separate narrator. - BlackWidower 17:52, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

No, a lot of shows use the same thing. TTATOT DeFender1031 17:57, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Look at it this way. The opening sequence of "24" is a direct reference to most other serialized TV dramas. Not noteworthy here. --BigScaryMike _{(Talk/Contrib)} 18:01, 17 May 2007 (UTC)