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== Reaper cloak ==
== Reaper cloak ==
Is it worth mentioning that the cloak that Strong Sad wears on the cover of "Doomy Tales of the Macabre is the same one as in "Experimental Film"? [[Special:Contributions/24.218.166.107|24.218.166.107]] 04:13, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Is it worth mentioning that the cloak that Strong Sad wears on the cover of "Doomy Tales of the Macabre is the same one as in "Experimental Film"? [[Special:Contributions/24.218.166.107|24.218.166.107]] 04:13, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
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== Buh-hubs. ==
== Buh-hubs. ==
A simple question: how should one word the Bubs RWRs?  The Wiki strives to be family-friendly, while both his first line of the toon (regarding the brain in his afro) and his line in the Easter Egg refer to Pulp Fiction, both parts of which are...less than family-friendly. I thought perhaps it could read:
A simple question: how should one word the Bubs RWRs?  The Wiki strives to be family-friendly, while both his first line of the toon (regarding the brain in his afro) and his line in the Easter Egg refer to Pulp Fiction, both parts of which are...less than family-friendly. I thought perhaps it could read:
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::I've always heard it as something like "Someone will die", but that's just me. [[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 00:52, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
::I've always heard it as something like "Someone will die", but that's just me. [[User:Monkeytender|Monkeytender]] 00:52, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
::: Yeah, I hear "So Macabre!" or "Tales of Macabre", but leaning towards the former. '''So Macabre''' it is. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 00:57, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
::: Yeah, I hear "So Macabre!" or "Tales of Macabre", but leaning towards the former. '''So Macabre''' it is. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 00:57, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
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Well, ''I'' just noticed this for the first time. It's faint, but I definitely hear "so macabre" at the end there. How should we put it in the transcript? {{User:SRMX12/sig}} 20:35, 13 October 2017 (UTC)
== Music Style - John Carpenter? ==
== Music Style - John Carpenter? ==
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:::Club T-C wasn't in Homestar Ruiner. He means on the BOOM Box in the House of Strong. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:34, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
:::Club T-C wasn't in Homestar Ruiner. He means on the BOOM Box in the House of Strong. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:34, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::::It reminded me somehow of a Club TC song that goes "Frooooosty, la la la froooosty." Or something like that. [[User:StarFox|StarFox]] 16:39, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
::::It reminded me somehow of a Club TC song that goes "Frooooosty, la la la froooosty." Or something like that. [[User:StarFox|StarFox]] 16:39, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
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:::::Since I'm not the only one who thinks those vocals sound like the song from Homestar Ruiner, I'm adding it back in.
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::::::However, it's really NOT that similar. It's just that the "lyrics" - or what passes for them - are the same. "Oh! Oh! Oh!" --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:17, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
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::::::I disagree.  Listen to them back to back.  It's not merely that they're they same vocables, but also have the same vocal quality, and are done in the same style.  That, combined with the fact that both songs are connected with Strong Sad, I honestly don't see how a case can be made that this isn't a callback.
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:::::::I have listened to them back-to-back before. They're not that similar. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:29, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
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::::::::Let me get this straight: 1) same vocables, 2) same vocal tone, 3) same style, and 4) associated with Strong Sad, and you STILL don't see the similarity?
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:::::::::Did I ever admit that they had the same vocal tone or style? I didn't, because they don't. Did you even listen to both together? "Brit Pout" is an angsty, whiny song with gruff, staccato "Oh"s, while the "Macabre" theme is a spooky-sounding (well, comical version thereof) song with smooth, drawn-out "Oh"s, and actual lyrics. That they're both associated with Strong Sad is coincidence. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:37, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
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:::::::::Yes I did listen to them.  It was on that basis that I posted that in the first place.  And frankly, I think you'd have to be deaf not to note the similarities.  So, no, I don't think it's coincidence at all that both are connected with Strong Sad.  It seems to me that TBC made the deliberate choice to use similar vocals in this music (and yes, the music itself is different, but the vocals do clearly invoke the same style as the Brit Pout music).  I feel I have made a good case for the similarities.
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::::::::::Look, you haven't convinced me. Hold off (which means do NOT put it on the page) until some more users give input (for those who don't know what Brit Pout sounds like, [[YouTube:xHVrIwR75kM|here ya go]].) That said, looking at the page's history, I am not the only one who removed the alleged reference from the page. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:50, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
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:::::::::::I gotta go with Jay on this one. Listening to the two of them, there is really no similarity between them whatsoever. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:31, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
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::::::::::::I also don't think the similarities are sufficient for a reference. The vocal style's kind of similar, but not strikingly so, and the musical style's entirely different (just being in minor isn't enough to make one refer to the other). {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 23:29, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
== Hom(e)s(t)ar ==
== Hom(e)s(t)ar ==
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In the feedburner, it says this toon is based on H.P. Lovecraft. But I see no Lovecraftian stuff. No abominations, no mind-breaking revalations, not even a mention of Cthulhu. I think this fact needs some Phoenix Down, becuase I think the HP just dropped to zero.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 16:29, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
In the feedburner, it says this toon is based on H.P. Lovecraft. But I see no Lovecraftian stuff. No abominations, no mind-breaking revalations, not even a mention of Cthulhu. I think this fact needs some Phoenix Down, becuase I think the HP just dropped to zero.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 16:29, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
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: What do you mean, "no abominations"? The ''word'' abomination is even said in the toon! No, really, I think you're taking it a mite seriously. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:25, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
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==Reused idea?==
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In Homestar Runner.com PAY PLUS!, on the banner titled "The Email Show!" in the lower left corner, there is a picture of Strong Bad next to the concession stand, with Bubs eyes and teeth on the stand, but much later in this toon, the concession stand gets Bubs eyes and teeth!
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:that remark has been on the page since day one. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 05:12, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
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== Macrame Wallpaper ==
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although ''probably'' a coincidence, the symbol used to tessilate the wallpaper oddly resembles that of the ⚯ (Unmarried partnership) symbol. bringing this up because coach Z and Marzipan aren't married, but due to "gypsy forces," are in such a situation. {{User:ColdReactive/sig}} 07:02, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
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== Onion Bubs's Laugh ==
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Wouldn't it be somewhat worth mentioning that Onion Bubs's laugh is somewhat similar to Wario's in Mario Kart 64, except higher pitched? [[Special:Contributions/69.20.168.197|69.20.168.197]] 15:05, 20 February 2011 (UTC)
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== I'd buy that book from Strong Sad ==
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I bet you it'll be so spooky but funny--[[Image:pompom.PNG|20px]][[User:Nosyandsmall|Nosyandsmall]] 13:40, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
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:Hey there. I'm afraid this talk page is for discussing the article and improvements to it, not for chit-chat about the toon. For that, you can use the forum. Thanks. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 13:49, 1 March 2011 (UTC)
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== Similar Music ==
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Does Anyone else notice that this music is similar to the music that plays when Strong Bad first Mentions "Axe-Gun: Legends of the Brain-outener" in "Rated"? {{User:ToaJuaraevo01/sig1}} 16:49, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
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== Homeschool Winner Cameo? ==
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At the end screen I feel like I see [[Homeschool Winner]]. Am I the only one, am I right, or...? --[[User:Camwoodstock|Camwoodstock]] 18:20, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
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: Which end screen? And where? If you mean the skulls, nope, it's the eleven (minus Homsar) main character skulls. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:37, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

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[edit] Reaper cloak

Is it worth mentioning that the cloak that Strong Sad wears on the cover of "Doomy Tales of the Macabre is the same one as in "Experimental Film"? 24.218.166.107 04:13, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Buh-hubs.

A simple question: how should one word the Bubs RWRs? The Wiki strives to be family-friendly, while both his first line of the toon (regarding the brain in his afro) and his line in the Easter Egg refer to Pulp Fiction, both parts of which are...less than family-friendly. I thought perhaps it could read:

  • Bubs' line about brain in his afro and about his wallet are both references to scenes from Pulp Fiction.

and a content warning could (and should) be added to the end of the line, which I can't remember the Wiki format for at the moment. --Onamuji (b/w T. C.  ) 05:28, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't think it is necessary to say what Jules says in Pulp fiction. That would be explaining the joke. I like the way it is worded currently I R F 12:40, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
That being said, would someone please be so kind as to explain the joke to me? I've...never actually... seen Pulp Fiction.but, a buttdanceNeox ONION BUBS!YOU WILL RESPECT MAH AUTHORI-TAH!!! 21:16, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Try http://us.imdb.com/character/ch0001783/quotes and search for "wallet". -- Sentroyd 01:02, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Nope. Still don't get it. but, a buttdanceNeox ONION BUBS!YOU WILL RESPECT MAH AUTHORI-TAH!!! 22:29, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] The Transcript

Sorry for not showing any progress, the wiki stopped working for me last night. This server does not really like taking any unusual load at all or something. --InsanityBringer 11:29, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Hey, what about Homsar's lines?

Check the easter eggs section for those --InsanityBringer 16:34, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Hand

This could not be a more perfect match if you tried

I believe that hand is not the hand of the Onceler and actually the hand of the mom from Career Day. In fact, I am almost sure of it. Monkeytender 18:49, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

Nope, it's not the same object, not shaped the same, nothing similar aside from being a hand. — Defender1031*Talk 18:56, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Have you even tried comparing the two? They've both got the roundy bracelets and the extended fingernails. They're almost definitely the same. And it's definitely not The Onceler like the article is currently claiming. Monkeytender 19:02, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
I tend to agree, it looks like the hand was based on the Mom hand. Its definitely closer to that than to the Onceler. (Note, the Mom hand appears as the same object in career day and hygene.) -132.183.140.194 19:11, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
I agree. It looks very much like the mom's hand, and not particularly like the Onceler's.146.122.71.68 19:15, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, DeFender, they are absotively 100% correct. It is obviously the same hand shape as in Career Day and hygiene. --Jay (Talk) 19:09, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
It's not the same flash object, so you can't say for certain. I'm not saying it's the onceler, but i'm saying it's also not the same hand from there. — Defender1031*Talk 19:11, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Same curl at the base of the thumb, same three fingers pointing upward for no obvious reason, same bracelet, etc. Homestar isn't the same Flash object that he used to be, but are we to claim he's a different character entirely? --Jay (Talk) 19:12, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Here, look for yourself. Perfect. Match. The only difference is that one is in silhouette. --Jay (Talk) 19:16, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Well, this certainly changes things. Yep, same hand. Those Chapmans are getting lazier (that was a joke).--Jellote wuz here 19:21, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Oh... I was looking at the hand in career day which is a different object. Yes, you are correct, it is the exact same hand here. Sorry i doubted all you guys. — Defender1031*Talk 19:24, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
I agree that it's the same hand too(as it's been agreed to), but where does the hand show up in career day? StrongAwesome 04:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Remember that Dr. Seuss' characters don't have fingers per se, so this is most definitely not the Onceler's.StarFox 16:47, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Not true. Cat In The Hat might have mittens, but many characters, including the Once-ler and Lorax have definite fingers. As opposed to Strong Bad. wbwolf (t | ed) 16:54, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Dr. Seuss' characters have pinkies and thumbs, but no other clear fingers. StarFox 17:16, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
To StrongAwesome: It's the hand that places the picture under the pillow in the little boy's imagination. It's not the same shape, exactly (if only because it's not holding anything between the index finger and thumb), but it's close, and the nails and bracelet are identical to the ones in hygiene. --Jay (Talk) 18:31, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Move-a

Should there be some mention that Strong Mad's Easter egg line is from "Money for Nothing?" Related to that, I would argue that move-a is a better spelling than moova (it refers to the fact that the character is moving refrigerators and moving color TVs).146.122.71.68 19:25, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

heck, it even says 'Move-a' on the costume discription page. I'll fix it. But, you don't always have to ask before putting something. be bold! StrongAwesome 20:01, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] How/Why?

Does STrong Bad say "How do you think..." or "why do you think..."? The latter makes more sense, but the former is what many people including me partially hear. Which is it?--Jellote wuz here 23:20, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I don't think the concept makes much sense either way. But I hear "how". — It's dot com 01:16, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

I am only an anony, but I've watched this thing four times now, and I have heard why each time 69.81.183.110 02:55, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

After relistening, I hear "why". And as for how that makes semse, think about it: he goes through Strong Mad's digestive track and gets, er, passed with the rest of the fecal waste. Therefore, it would make sense of this being why they give him baths. Should I change it, or leave a footnote. It's two to one at the moment, IDC, so it seems a change is in order unless anyone else has a comment.--Jellote wuz here 14:56, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Umm, it's most certainly "how". It's not even a question, and all references to this added to the wiki on other page so far have been going with "how" as well. — Defender1031*Talk 18:51, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
As the person who transcribed it originally, of course I support "how". Both make weird sense in H*R logic, although very different KINDS of sense. --Jay (Talk) 19:05, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Reduce [an] overhead?

What exactly does that mean, and do we need an explanation on the page as to what it means? -Everybody! 01:49, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

"Overhead" refers to the expenses related to operating a business. Reducing his overhead means lowering his expenses. I don't think it really needs an explanation in the article; it's a pretty well-known business term and people who don't know what it means can look it up in a dictionary or online, just like any other word. {{User:kane2742/sig}} 14:43, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Eating The Cheat

In this video, Strong Bad claims that Strong Mad eats The Cheat all of the time. However, the email "narrator" refers to a movie supposedly called "I'm Surprised Strong Mad Hasn't Eaten The Cheat By Now". Would this be a continuity issue? --Hatkirby 02:55, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Possibly, although I'm not sure any of this actually "happened" or was just made up by Strong Sad. — It's dot com 03:15, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
We can also question the factuality of SB's line from narrator (after all, it was kind of thrown out there as the title of a movie for which we never even saw the trailer). I think all told, with both of these events being of uncertain factuality (even in-universe), there's no continuity issue. Heimstern Läufer 03:30, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
Was thinking that too, thanks for clearing it up. --69.113.231.176 20:27, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] "Real-World" References

Since a lot of these references are not from the "real world", but from video games and such, wouldn't it be more appropriate to call this section "Outside References"? 81.226.252.221 10:32, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Since we use the term "Real-World References" in many articles, we'd have to change them all if we changed it here. As such it wouldn't be appropriate to discuss it here; it'd need to be at a more centralized place (I'm thinking probably HRWiki talk:Standards). I think actually this has been discussed and rejected in the past, but I don't recall where or when. Heimstern Läufer 10:49, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
"Inside" is not meant literally, so "Outside" is not the appropriate moniker. But there was once a discussion over whether they should be "Cultural References". I'd be fine with that if not for the SHEER NUMBER of pages we'd have to fix. --Jay (Talk) 00:43, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
If we did that, that sounds like Bot work to me. wbwolf (t | ed) 15:12, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
Although it would be a pain, it would also be more accurate... HaldoHelscome!
I disagree. Not all of the references they make are necessarily culturally significant. But all of them originate in the real world. -128.103.10.123 17:32, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
You misunderstand the meaning of "cultural" in this context. Back when I worked on the "Cultural Reference Guide to Animaniacs" (in the Usenet days), a "cultural" reference would be anything in popular culture: movies, books, TV shows, music, whatever. It wouldn't necessarily be "high" culture like Shakespeare (though it would be called upon), but it's part of the culture, nonetheless. It would be the same here. Having said that, I don't see anything wrong with "Real-World", since it's a reference to something outside of the H*R universe. Either would work. wbwolf (t | ed) 17:41, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Oops... you bwoke the twadition.

Is it significant that this is the first Halloween Toon to not feature The Goblin since Halloween Fairstival? I know he hasn't been in every Halloween Toon, but can four consecutive toons be wrong?

It's not really that important. The Goblin isn't in all of them, so the fact that he happened to be in four in a row isn't too relevant. Flicky1991 23:40, 31 October 2009 (UTC)
While I was very dissapointed of this (since the Goblin is one of my favorite characters) I think he was omitted due to him being so prominently featured in last year's toon. He'll probably be back next year. Shorty1k

[edit] Teeth

Strong Bad's skull lacks teeth, and Coach Z's completely lacks a mouth or jaw. Do either of these count as references to either character's lack of facial features? --66.29.169.1 04:27, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, unless anyone disagrees, I say put it in the Inside References. FugitiveofPhysics 22:28, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Familiarity?

The exchange between Homestar and Marzipan near the beginning REALLY gave me a feeling of deja vu. Does anyone know if there is anything like that in something else? --Severyourleg59 11:14, 31 October 2009

Homestar talks to her that way often. Like, when she asks him to get the phone and he said he's busy not answering the phone. I R F 06:23, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I mean more specific than that. Not HOW they were talking, but what they were talking about. --Severyourleg59 4:32, 1 November 2009

Maybe you're thinking of Halloween Potion-ma-jig where they quarreled in a similar fashion. MichaelXX2 mail_icon.gif link_icon.gif 21:33, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Majora's Mask

Is it worth comparing Strong Bad's mask to the real thing? For example, Strong Bad's horns are curved, though they should be straight, the mask is shaped differently to fit Strong Bad's head, all Strong Bad's colours are too bright, and the real eyes do not frown. There are also incorrect patterns near his mouth. Compare

Here's Skull Kid. Skull_Kid_in_Brawl_by_EliteAgent.jpg StarFox 16:41, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Might be worth noting on the costume page, rather than here. wbwolf (t | ed) 16:50, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Might be worth comparing with official art, instead of fanart (though that is pretty good fanart.) --Jay (Talk) 18:33, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Pretty sure that's official. It's from SSBB. But I don't think the differences are especially notable. They take liberties with all the costumes. -132.183.138.33 19:02, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Skull Kid doesn't appear in SSBB, outside of a pair of stickers (and stickers aren't in 3D). 9_9 --Jay (Talk) 19:50, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Okay, my mistake. I thought there was a Skull Kid figure/trophy thing. I should have paid more attention to the fact that it's fanart, as you said. Apologies. -132.183.138.33 19:59, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

What's he look like under the mask? Is it freaky looking? Aw dude I gotta see it. I seriously need to get my Game Cube working again. C-Son-L Sweaters 01:44, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Song Lyrics

Does anyone else hear "sooo macabre" at the end of the theme music? --68.96.79.79 22:52, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I definitely hear the word "macabre" at the end. I'm unsure of the rest because it's in such a low key it's hard to hear over the higher instrumental notes. I thought it was "Tales of macabre" until you posted. — Defender1031*Talk 23:00, 1 November 2009 (UTC)
I've always heard it as something like "Someone will die", but that's just me. Monkeytender 00:52, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Yeah, I hear "So Macabre!" or "Tales of Macabre", but leaning towards the former. So Macabre it is. --Jellote wuz here 00:57, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Well, I just noticed this for the first time. It's faint, but I definitely hear "so macabre" at the end there. How should we put it in the transcript? Lira (talk) 20:35, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

[edit] Music Style - John Carpenter?

I noticed that the theme music sounds somewhat similar to works of John Carpenter, or more specifically, his theme for Assault on Precinct 13. John Carpenter happens to be known for his many 80's and 90's B-movie horror films (The Thing, The Fog, the Halloween series) and for his reliance on synthesizers for his music. Considering all the other 80's references in the past, I wouldn't put it past them to reference this.

actually, the vocal part from the opening theme is reminiscent of the "Brit Pout" music playing on the boombox from Homestar Ruiner.
It was at Club Technochocolate, right? StarFox 16:32, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Club T-C wasn't in Homestar Ruiner. He means on the BOOM Box in the House of Strong. --Jay (Talk) 16:34, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
It reminded me somehow of a Club TC song that goes "Frooooosty, la la la froooosty." Or something like that. StarFox 16:39, 3 November 2009 (UTC)
Since I'm not the only one who thinks those vocals sound like the song from Homestar Ruiner, I'm adding it back in.
However, it's really NOT that similar. It's just that the "lyrics" - or what passes for them - are the same. "Oh! Oh! Oh!" --Jay (Talk) 19:17, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
I disagree. Listen to them back to back. It's not merely that they're they same vocables, but also have the same vocal quality, and are done in the same style. That, combined with the fact that both songs are connected with Strong Sad, I honestly don't see how a case can be made that this isn't a callback.
I have listened to them back-to-back before. They're not that similar. --Jay (Talk) 20:29, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Let me get this straight: 1) same vocables, 2) same vocal tone, 3) same style, and 4) associated with Strong Sad, and you STILL don't see the similarity?
Did I ever admit that they had the same vocal tone or style? I didn't, because they don't. Did you even listen to both together? "Brit Pout" is an angsty, whiny song with gruff, staccato "Oh"s, while the "Macabre" theme is a spooky-sounding (well, comical version thereof) song with smooth, drawn-out "Oh"s, and actual lyrics. That they're both associated with Strong Sad is coincidence. --Jay (Talk) 20:37, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
Yes I did listen to them. It was on that basis that I posted that in the first place. And frankly, I think you'd have to be deaf not to note the similarities. So, no, I don't think it's coincidence at all that both are connected with Strong Sad. It seems to me that TBC made the deliberate choice to use similar vocals in this music (and yes, the music itself is different, but the vocals do clearly invoke the same style as the Brit Pout music). I feel I have made a good case for the similarities.
Look, you haven't convinced me. Hold off (which means do NOT put it on the page) until some more users give input (for those who don't know what Brit Pout sounds like, here ya go.) That said, looking at the page's history, I am not the only one who removed the alleged reference from the page. --Jay (Talk) 20:50, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
I gotta go with Jay on this one. Listening to the two of them, there is really no similarity between them whatsoever. --DorianGray 21:31, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
I also don't think the similarities are sufficient for a reference. The vocal style's kind of similar, but not strikingly so, and the musical style's entirely different (just being in minor isn't enough to make one refer to the other). Heimstern Läufer 23:29, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Hom(e)s(t)ar

Homestar with several knees seems to make the same sound as homsar's regular walking. Anybody else notice? FugitiveofPhysics 21:25, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

It does, but that sound effect isn't exclusive to Homsar, so its reuse isn't of itself notable. Such occurrences are documented on the Sound Effects page (of which Homsar's walking noise is the first listed). -132.183.138.33 21:29, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] The halloween house?

Where does the halloween house appear in this toon? — Defender1031*Talk 01:35, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

I think they are counting when the Sad Kids walk in front of Strong Mad's and The Cheat's candy dumpster. wbwolf (t | ed) 16:48, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Canonicity II

This has been added to the Bubs' Concession Stand page's "Notable Events" section a few times:

  • In Doomy Tales of the Macabre, Bubs' chemical experiment causes the stand to turn into a giant version of his head and decapitate him.

Twice I've reverted it, saying that it was an imagined event. However, it's later been restored each time, the last time with a comment: "naw, i think it's fair to consider the events of doomy tales real, given that the characters repond to SS and all... plus i won't accept that there's a ween toon where the only actual character is SS"

I know this pretty much doesn't matter at all, but I find it surprising that so many people accept the deaths and transformations of most of the characters at Strong Sad's whim as real in-universe events. Been watching too much Death Note? :) Besides, as many minor inconsistencies as there are in H*R, all examples of the death of main characters are imagined/hypothetical (e.g., your funeral) or obviously non-canon (e.g., Main Page 7). I don't see why this is any different, just because the characters sass back at him (when The Ugly One says, "that's it?" to Strong Bad after being dangled off a hotel balcony, that doesn't mean The Ugly One is real in the H*R universe, Strong Bad's just playing around with the in-universe fourth wall).

Like I said, it is minorer than minor can be, but I just wanted to throw this out there and see what people thought. --TimMierz 19:53, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Or, it's just a cartoon and it doesn't really matter. H*R has a really loose view of continuity anyway. And why is an imagined event any less notable? We're the ones creating the section "Notable Events", not anyone in the fictional universe. --DorianGray 20:08, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
Or, it's just a cartoon and it doesn't really matter. I noted that by saying how unimportant this all was. H*R has a really loose view of continuity anyway. Agreed, but something like Bubs and Pom Pom dying is a bit more major, especially considering the ridiculous ways they happened. We're the ones creating the section "Notable Events", not anyone in the fictional universe. Fair enough, although it should at least be noted there that it was just within Strong Sad's story. --TimMierz 20:13, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
I like the current "compromise?" edit on the BCS page. I also accidentally found this semi-relevant quote from the Late Nite JengaJam Interview - 4 Oct 2007; Matt says, "There are several times when Strong Bad has imagined Strong Sad being dead, so that was clearly in his imagination. But other times when he just punches him, that was probably real." --TimMierz 20:27, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Duplicate characters?

I know I already mentioned this in the forum, but I don't think anybody payed attention to that. I thought Homestar and Coach Z switched places during the crystal ball's curse. How do you think Homestar ended up outside? I'm also certain Coach Z's doom is, as Strong Sad suggests, already being Coach Z, which is why we see his skull appear. Homestar's skull only appears on Macrame Owl Homestar (Homestar's doom). Any thoughts? --69.19.14.42 15:23, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

From the page: "Boyfriend" Coach Z appearing with Macrame Owl Homestar is a strange and subtle case of a duplicate character. --TimMierz 16:01, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
I still don't think this is a case of duplicate characters at all. Did you not get what the first message I posted while I wasn't able to log in was saying? --Charlie Jr. 17:05, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
I get it, but the fact that they switched places is speculation and not at all directly hinted at by the toon itself. --Jay (Talk) 17:39, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
I agree with charlie. If we're gonna say coach z is really homestar, then homestar has two dooms and coach z has none. that doesn't seem like the intent, it seems like they did just switch places. As for how homestar ended up outside, that's unimportant. Still, i don't think it's an instance of duplicate characters. — Defender1031*Talk 19:27, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
From the shadow, it doesn't look like they switched. It looks like Homestar melted into Coach Z. Gross as this sounds, thats what it looks like. As for Homestar having 2 dooms, I think that it was an oversight. They do that sometimes. --Jellote wuz here 21:03, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
And coach z doesn't appear in the toon at all? I have trouble accepting that as the intent of TBC. — Defender1031*Talk 21:07, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Point taken. I was trying to counter that, but while reading what I was writing it turns out you are right after all. I still think there should be a mention of Duplicates, but mention something about this "teleportation" alternate explaination. It makes just as much sense.--Jellote wuz here 21:12, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Actually, the way I interpret it is not how you or the page does; rather, Marzipan's doom is that she is now dating Coach Z, but the "transformation" scene was just an artistic/stylistic way of showing that. Homestar is perfectly happy with or without Marzipan, so there's no doom there, and Coach Z's condition actually improves as a result of this change; only Marzipan suffers here. Later, Homestar (unaffected by the breakup) is just wadin' through puddin', and gets literally transformed for the first time. Coach Z is still in the role of boyfriend, but he isn't in any way Homestar. --TimMierz 21:55, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
That is exactly my interpretation as well. You just articulated it better. — Defender1031*Talk 22:31, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
But given that you see Homestar's shadow morph into Coach Z's, and his yell perfectly meshes with Z's, it seems from all outward appearances that Homestar becomes Coach Z. It's probably reading too far into it one way or the other, but since both can be valid ways of looking at it, I think the duplicate characters reference should remain. --Jay (Talk) 23:01, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
To me, this situation is not a clear enough case to merit a reference to Duplicate Characters. I agree with TimMierz and DeFender on this. Coach Z isn't Homestar; he just takes Homestar's place via some strange morphological process caused by the gypsy spirits Marzi invokes. Not duplicate characters, just one turning into another. Heimstern Läufer 23:34, 24 November 2009 (UTC)
Right. Who's to say that isn't not possible that simultaneously coach Z was running through the field and that he turned into homestar just as homestar turned into him? — Defender1031*Talk 01:36, 25 November 2009 (UTC)
It's possible, but saying so is speculation. -70.152.68.206 07:16, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

I see the duplicate characters ref is still here. The consensus isn't abundantly clear here (especially since lots of these comments are not too easy to interpret, sorry to say), but I do see slightly more opposition to it than support for it. I'm inclined to remove it from the article, but want to see if there are any last-minute arguments or disputes of my reading of this discussion. Heimstern Läufer 05:29, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] "I Wanna Be The Guy" reference

When Strong Bad says "Oh no, the evil moon is crashing into the Earth again! What a totally un-frustrating way to play a video game!", I think it's a reference to how in "I Wanna Be The Guy" the moon drops on the player character twice.

No, with the evil face, and SB's Costume, it's pretty obvious that it's a Zelda: Majoras Mask referance. StrongAwesome 17:59, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] No s?

See? That's an s.

So There was recently an edit that got reverted fixing the lack of an S in "Poopsmith" and "POpsmith". However, i think that those who think there's no S there in the toon are mistaken. This image clearly shows the S, highlighting it in the lower portion. — Defender1031*Talk 21:15, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

No, that's just the stray marks of the cursive font not meeting each other. --TimMierz 21:18, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
That would be the tiniest "s" ever if it was an "s". The "i" is much bigger even without counting the dot, and that's a small letter. No "s". --Jay (Talk) 21:21, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
Also, the same font is used all throughout the toon. Whenever he types an "s", it's a normal-sized cursive "s", not that tiny little mini-squiggle that looks like a non-cursive "s" if you look hard enough at it. --Jay (Talk) 21:26, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
I agree with TimMierz. — It's dot com 21:29, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Poopsmith Poopmith POpsmith POpmith

okay, so it's not exactly the same font; there are a few minor differences, but i think the S in question would look a lot more like that cursive S than a small connection between the P and the M. in short, no, there's no S in the picture. The Knights Who Say Ni 04:34, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Ni - You can't compare fonts like that. Each font have it's own quirks and uniqueness. That aside, look at all the other S's in the toon. It's most visible in the Bubs scene in the word "obsessed". The S's never changes no matter what part of the word it is. That tiny squiggle is no S. Elcool (talk)(contribs) 06:03, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Elcool - Fonts is the first place I looked, and it hasn't been updated for this toon, so I figured I'd use the most similar font I could find. it took me a long time, but i finally figured out how to get it to type in a different font from this one, and then you shoot me down. thanks. and just in case no one's wondering:

obsessed

the actual font update would be appreciated; is it the same font as ss's usual handwriting? i tried putting that font name into the span box, but it didn't work. The Knights Who Say Ni 07:22, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Sorry. I appreciate your efforts. I'm just a typography freak... Don't mind me :) Elcool (talk)(contribs) 15:19, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
Alright, it's become abundantly clear that THIS is the post i should never have made in the first place. Lappy, if you please. Seriously, let's just call this a stnank and leave it at that. — Defender1031*Talk 06:18, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Fourth Wall Break

Am I the only one who noiced this? When Marzipan says "What's that say?" it implies that she is looking at a cue card or teleprompter to remember her lines. Am I right? Should it be added? Stiny's Danish.

Actually, it already is. Oh, and to sign your posts, place 4 tildes (~~~~), like so: StrongAwesome 20:02, 23 December 2009 (UTC)

But it is not on the foruth wall breaks page. Can I add it there? Stiny's Danish 01:58, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Sure. oh, and no spaces. StrongAwesome 02:02, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Stiny's Danish 02:08, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Ow! All my HP!

In the feedburner, it says this toon is based on H.P. Lovecraft. But I see no Lovecraftian stuff. No abominations, no mind-breaking revalations, not even a mention of Cthulhu. I think this fact needs some Phoenix Down, becuase I think the HP just dropped to zero.--Jellote wuz here 16:29, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

What do you mean, "no abominations"? The word abomination is even said in the toon! No, really, I think you're taking it a mite seriously. --Jay (Talk) 17:25, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Reused idea?

In Homestar Runner.com PAY PLUS!, on the banner titled "The Email Show!" in the lower left corner, there is a picture of Strong Bad next to the concession stand, with Bubs eyes and teeth on the stand, but much later in this toon, the concession stand gets Bubs eyes and teeth!

that remark has been on the page since day one. The Knights Who Say Ni 05:12, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Macrame Wallpaper

although probably a coincidence, the symbol used to tessilate the wallpaper oddly resembles that of the ⚯ (Unmarried partnership) symbol. bringing this up because coach Z and Marzipan aren't married, but due to "gypsy forces," are in such a situation. ColdReactive 07:02, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Onion Bubs's Laugh

Wouldn't it be somewhat worth mentioning that Onion Bubs's laugh is somewhat similar to Wario's in Mario Kart 64, except higher pitched? 69.20.168.197 15:05, 20 February 2011 (UTC)

[edit] I'd buy that book from Strong Sad

I bet you it'll be so spooky but funny--Nosyandsmall 13:40, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

Hey there. I'm afraid this talk page is for discussing the article and improvements to it, not for chit-chat about the toon. For that, you can use the forum. Thanks. Heimstern Läufer 13:49, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

[edit] Similar Music

Does Anyone else notice that this music is similar to the music that plays when Strong Bad first Mentions "Axe-Gun: Legends of the Brain-outener" in "Rated"? ToaJuaraevo01 File:Homsar-in-motion.gif 16:49, 23 April 2013 (UTC)

[edit] Homeschool Winner Cameo?

At the end screen I feel like I see Homeschool Winner. Am I the only one, am I right, or...? --Camwoodstock 18:20, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Which end screen? And where? If you mean the skulls, nope, it's the eleven (minus Homsar) main character skulls. --Jay (Talk) 18:37, 20 July 2013 (UTC)
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