Talk:Ever and More

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"Cold Ones Light" poster

In the background of when Homestar opens the meeting, there's a poster for "Cold Ones Light." The logo looks remarkably familiar but I can't put my thumb of what brand it's suppose to be parodying. Anyone know? I think it should go in the "Real World References" part, perhaps. --Champthom 07:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Reminds me of the Old Style beer logo, but that's a Wisconsin/Chicago area brew, so I'm not sure that TBC would be familiar with it. Trey56 08:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

On the other hand, it is very close — it has the red and blue diagonal background on a shield, a similar font, and a red ribbon coming from the bottom. I think this is too similar to be a coincidence, so I'm gonna add it. Trey56 08:35, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I personally think it's just a coincidence, but I don't mind leaving it for the time being; at least until further discussion is made regarding it. 0rion 13:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I dunno, they look too similar to me to pass it off as mere coincidence... -YK 18:26, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Gallery of Helmets

Should there be a gallery of the helmets the Brothers are wearing?— Bassbone (^{TALK CONT}) 08:51, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I second that idea, but I haven't had much luck figuring out most out the helmets. גשמלדרברגן (Geshmalder) 21:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree; this is a good idea, though I think it could go Broternal Order of Different Helmets (which describes what each helmet is) Most (all?) of the helmets probably have pictures uploaded at pages like The Cheat Other Costumes, etc. Trey56 21:55, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Loading, Friend

Is there any reason why the loading screen for this toon is "loading, friend,". If there is, please post it here. Homestar-Winner (talk) 11:41, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

• Probably because this toon is about a type of Brotherhood. 0rion 13:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

It reminds me of Cheers, but thats probably just me.--~ SlipStream 10:21, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

The Pants Lawsuit

I have severe doubts about that reference. For one, the dry cleaners lost his lucky pants, Bubs just can't fit in them. And for two, The Brothers Chaps very rarely make references to current news stories, one so innocuous as this one wouldn't be a prime candidate for an exception. We're really stretching it here.

I agree with your skepticism; here's the fact as I removed it, in case people disagree. Trey56 12:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Bubs's remark about being in a bad mood because he hasn't been able to fit his lucky pants might be a reference to a news story about a Washington DC Judge who sued a dry cleaner for $54 million dollars for losing his 'lucky' pants. The case was thrown out June 25, 2007 - one day before this toon was posted.

doodoo

The transcript currently says that Strong Bad says "that's horse pocky, you fools!" I'm 99.9% sure that it's actually "horse pucky", which is semi-obscure slang for horse poop, aka a variation on bullsh-t. Not only does this make more sense than "horse pocky", but one of the characters on M*A*S*H used to say it, and references to 70s/80s sitcoms are pretty standard on this site. - Ugliness Man 13:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. It should be changed. 0rion 13:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Also agreed; I changed it to "horse puckey". Trey56 13:16, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

The M*A*S*H character you're referring to is Colonel Potter. --Jnelson09 04:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

If memory serves, Colonel Potter's expression was "horse hockey." --BigScaryMike _{(Talk/Contrib)} 16:43, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

BUBRUB!

Remember that news broadcast about the "whistle tips"? It's on YouTube. The guy's name on the news is Bubb Rubb. Maybe I'm just grasping at straws and the ointment is only named after Bubs himself, but when he held it up and I read the label, I immediately thought, "The whistles go whooooo!" William 14:19, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

-I don't think so. Rubs and ointments are a common theme through the Homestar Runner series, given that 'Bub(s)' rhymes with 'rub', I don't think any further explanation is needed. 194.80.32.10 14:43, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Personally, I'm willing to allow it, because it is a fairly well-known meme. It might be a coincidence, but I think it's fairly likely that it's not. I'd leave the fact, but make sure it says that it could be a reference rather than it is a reference. 0rion 17:15, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

I strongly disagree with this reference and I think it should be STUFF'd, if not removed outright. Thank you. --BigScaryMike _{(Talk/Contrib)} 19:58, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Why do you disagree with it so strongly? The Bubb Rubb meme was, as 0rion pointed out, fairly popular, and even though rubs and ointments are a common occurrence in the H*R series, I think it's still likely to be an intentional reference. It's at least likely enough to warrant inclusion with the qualifier that it may possibly be a reference. If you feel so strongly against it, please explain your reasoning. 72.248.107.194 14:55, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I just felt the reference was a total stretch. Some folks are quick to call "real-world reference" just because it reminds them of something they've seen before, with no regard for relevance. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. I see this was STUFF'd and declined unanimously before I even had a chance to vote, so obviously I wasn't alone on this. --BigScaryMike _{(Talk/Contrib)} 16:41, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Coldson like Molson?

Could the Coldson Lite can be a reference to Molson beer?

Yes. The connection is already mentioned on the Cold Ones page, actually. -YK 18:25, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

The Name

The name should be changed. I think something like "B.O.D.H." or "The Helmet Club" would be better until it shows up on the main page. I don't think ever and more was at all a significant part of the toon. D&d greg 20:54, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

We usually use the names as they appear on the official toons menu. Trey56 20:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh yeah sorry. I hadn't cleared my cache and I didn't see anything on the toons menu. D&d greg 21:23, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Homsar in the cast?

Should Homsar be in the Cast of Characters? It's a picture of him, not the actual Homsar, after all. Nsayer 22:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Yup, he's not there, and neither should he be. Linked in the stage directions is fine. --DorianGray 22:08, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Legs??

Did anyone watch this and think that Homestar's legs should have been visible a few times but were absent? Look at his...... waist, when he's backing away from the KoT, and also when they're doing the secret handshake. It's like they're not there. Salty^Talk! 22:56, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Whoa, freaky! Good eye, I'd add it, but you saw it first. |\|/[_}-Elkmiester-{_]\|/| 00:05, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't see a problem at all. His legs are not as wide as his torso, and they are usually more to the back of his body. See pictures. I'm gonna remove the fact. Loafing 11:57, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

The bar in the basement

Just a note: in this toon, a stairway leading upwards from the bar is revealed. So, it's likely that the bar is in the basement of some other building.

1. Perhaps the most logical building for it to be the basement of is Bubs' Concession Stand, as it is a commercial establishment and TBC alluded to the possibility of exploring it further after Bubs descended into it in geddup noise (see the DVD commentary).
2. Another possibility is that Homestar leaves the meeting to go take a bath in what appears to be the Bathroom of the Brothers Strong (in which we have previously seen an old-fashioned bathtub. So, it might seem that the bar is in the basement of the House of the Brothers Strong. However, this seems unlikely since we have seen much of that basement already (Strong Bad's Basement, Strong Bad's Room).
3. Finally, it's possible that the bar is in the basement of Homestar Runner's House. In this case, it would seem that the bathroom Homestar goes to is his own, and that he, like Strong Bad has both an old-fashioned bathtub and a shower in his bathroom. Facts supporting this point of view are (a) Homestar has been seen most of the other appearances of the bar with Pom Pom, (b) it would make sense for Homestar to take a bath in his own tub, and (c) if Homestar is the Supreme Overlord of the Broternal Order, it would make sense (though is not necessary) that he would hold meetings in his basement.

I think that one of these is intended, since they took the time to draw the staircase, but I'm not sure which one it is (I lean toward #1 and #3). Perhaps we'll have to wait for more data in future toons to decide. Trey56 00:01, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I'd have to go with numbah one. It's a cool idea and makes perfect sense...Well, as much as a bald guy with no arms or pants. (Strong Mad) |\|/[_}-Elkmiester-{_]\|/|

It's too easy to poke holes in these arguments though. Couldn't The Bar just be on X floor and the stairs lead up to X+1 floor? Why assume a basement? And why assume the bathroom is in the same building? -- Tom 01:10, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, there are too many unknowns to say anything for sure. It does seem like a basement though, as it lacks windows all around the room, and it's common for homes to have small bars or masculine-looking dens in their basements. Nevertheless, like you said, the arguments don't hold water on their own. We'll have to see if TBC ever address it. Trey56 01:19, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Until such time as we have a shred of evidence to go on, I've termed it "The Meetingplace of the Broternal Order" and left it at that. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  02:14, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

No, it's still The Bar that they're in. The same one as Theme Song Video and Summer Short Shorts. It's the same wood paneling, the same lamp, the same dartboard, and the same pennant on the wall. -- Tom 03:47, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

tricycle recipe

here is a recipe for a tricycle fron surflounge.com/recipes

• Tricycle (TX Shooter)
  • Equal parts:
  • Midori
  • Malibu
  • Banana Liquer
  • Milk
  • Do not over pour milk or drink will suck!

ive never heard of a tricycle recipe, but here one is... csours 01:48, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

songs

That club song is a recycled tune. The last time we heard it (last email) Homestar was hanging upside down singing "blacking out, blacking out, blacking out." & the easter egg song was from Disney's 'Duck Tales'.

"The NeverEnding Story"? Don't think that's so. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  09:04, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Actually, "blacking out, blacking out, blacking out" does sound kinda like "ever and more, ever and more, ever and more". --DorianGray 09:30, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Pirates of the Carribean

If it was checkable, I'd bet money that the brothers chaps had that new pirates of the carribean movie as inspiration here. Anyone know what I'm talking about? 68.44.199.208 02:27, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Not me, but fraternal organizations are a common entity in the US, so likely not a direct reference to any one film. - Qermaq - (^T/C)  02:31, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Brother of Town

This is like the first time that anyone's ever treated the King of Town with any respect at all. Homestar invited him up to demonstrate a secret handshake with them. Maybe this is just cuz he's the only one who could actually DO a 'secret handshake' since neither of em have hands. --Abelhawk 04:21, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Seems fairly obvious, to me, that the KoT was simply chosen for the joke - he's the only main character present besides Homestar with no hands. --Jay (Talk) 06:41, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

My first thought when Homestar said "handshake" was that Marzipan'd turn up, but I guess she wouldn't be in a brotherhood, what with the whole "female" thing and such... and I doubt Homsar would be able to pull off the whole handshake thing... so yeah, that only leaves KoT, out of the main 12. --phlip ^T_C 10:27, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Rollover Minutes

It has been suggested we discuss this before STUFFing it. What do you think about keeping this as a reference to at&t (formerly Cingular) Wireless' Rollover feature? It is obviously true, but it could be taken by some readers as an advertisement for the company. Thoughts? I am for keeping it personally. PlasticDiverGuy 06:36, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Who, precisely, are you arguing with? I don't see that there's any disagreement over this fact. --Jay (Talk) 06:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

I don't think the advertising factor is a problem — we're listing factual information to help explain the toon and linking to a non-commercial website. So, I think it should be okay. Trey56 06:40, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

PDG, I notice that you put on the STUFF page that this fact was added and removed. It was not removed; it was moved to a different place in Fun Facts. I think that might be the source of any confusion. --Jay (Talk) 06:58, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Coach Z's Helmet

I have serious doubts on calling Coach Z's helmet a "Gladiator Helmet." The only distinctly gladiator helmet I know of is the Murmillo (fishman) helmet, and that certainly wasn't one. It kinda looks Greek (300 reference maybe?), but I'd guess it's either that or an early middle ages helmet (Saxon is what comes into my head). It's the nose guard. Not prevalent in a lot of roman helmets. I'm not extremely well informed on the subject, but it's just my thoughts, and I think it should probably just be called an iron war helmet or something.