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==What is that word...?==
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I'm not entirely sure we should be documenting this sort of thing, but we document [[Coach Z#Coach Z's Accent|Coach Z's]].  If we do have this sort of thing, it should be made into a table as part of the main [[Homestar Runner]] article. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 22:31, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm not entirely sure we should be documenting this sort of thing, but we document [[Coach Z#Coach Z's Accent|Coach Z's]].  If we do have this sort of thing, it should be made into a table as part of the main [[Homestar Runner]] article. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 22:31, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
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:::::::I just noticed that [[Coach Z|the one character who has the ''greatest'' excuse for an "accent" page]] doesn't; it's all on his character page. I don't know that Homestar mangling his words completely (as opposed to just kinda-mangling the Rs) is common enough to document on Homestar's own page, and it's '''definitely''' not common enough to merit its own page if Coach Z's doesn't. Also, Heimi brought my attention to something else: even when Homestar completely mangles a word, we still write it with Rs where appropriate in dialogue ("crowns" and "liberry" being prime examples), because even if he does have trouble with Rs, it's usually not such a big deal as to render the Rs unrecognizable. (That, and as H*R fans, we're probably all used to it. :) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:57, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
:::::::I just noticed that [[Coach Z|the one character who has the ''greatest'' excuse for an "accent" page]] doesn't; it's all on his character page. I don't know that Homestar mangling his words completely (as opposed to just kinda-mangling the Rs) is common enough to document on Homestar's own page, and it's '''definitely''' not common enough to merit its own page if Coach Z's doesn't. Also, Heimi brought my attention to something else: even when Homestar completely mangles a word, we still write it with Rs where appropriate in dialogue ("crowns" and "liberry" being prime examples), because even if he does have trouble with Rs, it's usually not such a big deal as to render the Rs unrecognizable. (That, and as H*R fans, we're probably all used to it. :) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:57, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
::::::::As has been noted before, the crown thing isn't even Homestar specific.  It's a regional thing.  And the liberry example isn't really unique to HR either.  It's commonly used to make an individual appear childish. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.223|132.183.151.223]] 18:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
::::::::As has been noted before, the crown thing isn't even Homestar specific.  It's a regional thing.  And the liberry example isn't really unique to HR either.  It's commonly used to make an individual appear childish. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.223|132.183.151.223]] 18:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
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:::::::::Not very well done. We need to fix this page, move it to the main [[Homestar Runner]] page, or just end this page. In my opinion: '''DEL TACO!''' [[User:doctorwho295|doctorwho295]] 28 March 2010
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I don't think this is a running gag... I think this is just how Homestar talks. This page should be '''deleted'''. It's like saying, "Strong Bad wearing no shirt". In fact I think I might make a page called "Homestar Runner Without his Speech Impediment". {{User:Tenerence Love/sig}} 03:08, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
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I don;t think we should toss this page, but we should drastically change the scope. We need to make a page about the ''mentions'' of his speech impediment, which is the running gag in its best form. Like him saying he has a "speech impodeaboot" in [[Donut Unto Others]]. Is this the page-saving throw? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 21:10, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
I don;t think we should toss this page, but we should drastically change the scope. We need to make a page about the ''mentions'' of his speech impediment, which is the running gag in its best form. Like him saying he has a "speech impodeaboot" in [[Donut Unto Others]]. Is this the page-saving throw? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 21:10, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
:Like the time he says he has "twouble wiff his Awwuhs".  I'd be up for that. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.140.194|132.183.140.194]] 21:36, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
:Like the time he says he has "twouble wiff his Awwuhs".  I'd be up for that. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.140.194|132.183.140.194]] 21:36, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
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::Right then. SO who agrees. I sadly must say that I timed this to appear just as a new toon was made, so this was highly ignored, but now that the dust has settled, who's with me? I'll do it if you agree. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 19:58, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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:::Between those two, the times Strong Bad imitates the lisp, and any others, I think that there's certainly enough for a page. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.140.194|132.183.140.194]] 20:03, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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::::I ''won't even consider it'' unless we make a page for Coach Z's accent. As said before, Coach Z deserves one most, so if Coach Z doesn't get one then no one gets one. I'd be willing to debate separating that from Coach Z's page, however. And if that happens, then this one is open to debate as well. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:10, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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:::::We're talking about a different subject though.  We're discussing times that specific references to Homestar's speech are made.  Do you want a page where they refer to Coach Z's speech?  It seems like that is much more closely related with his accent itself. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.140.194|132.183.140.194]] 20:21, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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::::::I know what you're talking about. My stance is that a page about his accent is not worth a page, the end. A page about people ''mentioning'' or ''mocking'' his accent might be better, but Coach Z still deserves one more. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:23, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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:::::::Well, the necessity of each page should be considered based on its own merit, not in comparison with other pages, right? -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.140.194|132.183.140.194]] 20:25, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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::::::::Normally, but here I consider the comparison fair. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:26, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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::::::::: Let's remember that there is a difference in a character's flaw and a gag. A page on Z's accent would be wrong, as not enough people ''mention'' it in a gag-form. Here, this is a joke. There is a huge difference. Let's not compare apples and oranges, man. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 20:38, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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:::::::::: Are you to imply that characters never ''mention'' Coach Z's weird accent? [[A Jorb Well Done|I must disagree with you there.]] --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:39, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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::::::::::: Not at all, Jay, but that was a plot point, not a gag. Can't we at least try it? Or better yet, could some other people get their opinions in? This isn't a discussion; it's and arugment. Until other people voice their opinions, neither side is gonnna budge.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 23:05, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
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I agree with Jellote and Anonnie, it would be a good idea to keep track of the mentions and make fun-ofs. And Coach Z's accent hasn't been the same way, never ever mentioned and/or made fun of directly, only used as the focus of a plot for a cartoon. So, quickbeforeanybodycansaytheydisagreewithus...we should change the page. {{User:Crab Attack1999/sig}} 20:54, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
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:'''Delete'''. Too general, and before I fixed it up some time ago, it was very poorly-written. {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 08:14, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
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::Wow, this page still exists? Well, okay, now it doesn't. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 03:16, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

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[edit] What is that word...?

I'm not entirely sure we should be documenting this sort of thing, but we document Coach Z's. If we do have this sort of thing, it should be made into a table as part of the main Homestar Runner article. wbwolf (t | ed) 22:31, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

agreeded. cash money tc 22:33, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure Homestar's is as unusual as Coach Z's, however. (I also really hate visual dialect for Homestar's speech.) Coach Z has a whole toon devoted to his inability to be understood, but Homestar seems to be understood just fine. Also, Homestar's is a lot more consistent, and not nearly as odd. I don't think there's anything that needs to be said about Homestar's impediment, other than the fact that he has one. --DorianGray 23:23, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
This is not needed. Homestar's speech impediment is fairly consistent, and could be described in one sentence. It is not necessary to enumerate each instance in a list, especially a list where every entry is more or less just a phonetic spelling of an easily recognizable word. Homestar's impediment is so minor—and he is so easily understood—that we rarely bother transcribing his speech in anything other than standard English. This article should be deleted and the data discarded. — It's dot com 22:21, 18 October 2009 (UTC)
I'm with all y'all. We don't transcwibe it (except when, say, Stwong Bad is imitating Homestaw), it's not hawd to figuwe it out, and evewything else you guys said. BALEETED!! wait... delteated? --Jay (Talk) 02:07, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
Since it's arguable if Coach Z even have an impediment, and he uses it on different ways for different words, the table is necessary in order to keep track of it. Since Homestar's impediment can be summed up in one, all-engrossing sentence, there is no need for a page about it. Delete. Elcool (talk)(contribs) 05:14, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
I thought this out loud (well, typing out loud on IRC, strictly speaking), and I think I've come to same conclusion as others, but worded somewhat differently. Basically, I think this page might work if there were more examples similar to Homestar's "crayon" as "crown" thing: something that's more than just the usual having "trouble with [his] R's" [or "aws", if you want to write it phonetically!] and which causes some confusion (SB at first doesn't know what Homestar's talking about). But I don't think there are enough examples like that to sustain a table, either as a separate article or as part of Homestar's bio. Heimstern Läufer 15:10, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
I just noticed that the one character who has the greatest excuse for an "accent" page doesn't; it's all on his character page. I don't know that Homestar mangling his words completely (as opposed to just kinda-mangling the Rs) is common enough to document on Homestar's own page, and it's definitely not common enough to merit its own page if Coach Z's doesn't. Also, Heimi brought my attention to something else: even when Homestar completely mangles a word, we still write it with Rs where appropriate in dialogue ("crowns" and "liberry" being prime examples), because even if he does have trouble with Rs, it's usually not such a big deal as to render the Rs unrecognizable. (That, and as H*R fans, we're probably all used to it. :) --Jay (Talk) 16:57, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
As has been noted before, the crown thing isn't even Homestar specific. It's a regional thing. And the liberry example isn't really unique to HR either. It's commonly used to make an individual appear childish. -132.183.151.223 18:06, 21 October 2009 (UTC)
Not very well done. We need to fix this page, move it to the main Homestar Runner page, or just end this page. In my opinion: DEL TACO! doctorwho295 28 March 2010

I don't think this is a running gag... I think this is just how Homestar talks. This page should be deleted. It's like saying, "Strong Bad wearing no shirt". In fact I think I might make a page called "Homestar Runner Without his Speech Impediment". Tenerence Love  03:08, 30 May 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Add to Homestar Runner

Okay, I made this page. So, okay...guys come on down and be adding this page to the Homestar Runner Article. I just didn't know how to make a table, (because i'm a newbie) so that's why I made it a Seperate Page. So, i'll agree on making this a table and add it to Homestar Runner's page. --68.39.79.161 22:36, 17 October 2009 (UTC)C-Son-L Sweaters

The Homestar article already mentions that he have an impediment. Not reason to make a big table about it, for the same reason this page shouldn't exist - It's very subtle and consistent. Elcool (talk)(contribs) 05:11, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Changing the scope to save the page.

I don;t think we should toss this page, but we should drastically change the scope. We need to make a page about the mentions of his speech impediment, which is the running gag in its best form. Like him saying he has a "speech impodeaboot" in Donut Unto Others. Is this the page-saving throw? --Jellote wuz here 21:10, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Like the time he says he has "twouble wiff his Awwuhs". I'd be up for that. -132.183.140.194 21:36, 29 October 2009 (UTC)
Right then. SO who agrees. I sadly must say that I timed this to appear just as a new toon was made, so this was highly ignored, but now that the dust has settled, who's with me? I'll do it if you agree. --Jellote wuz here 19:58, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Between those two, the times Strong Bad imitates the lisp, and any others, I think that there's certainly enough for a page. -132.183.140.194 20:03, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
I won't even consider it unless we make a page for Coach Z's accent. As said before, Coach Z deserves one most, so if Coach Z doesn't get one then no one gets one. I'd be willing to debate separating that from Coach Z's page, however. And if that happens, then this one is open to debate as well. --Jay (Talk) 20:10, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
We're talking about a different subject though. We're discussing times that specific references to Homestar's speech are made. Do you want a page where they refer to Coach Z's speech? It seems like that is much more closely related with his accent itself. -132.183.140.194 20:21, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
I know what you're talking about. My stance is that a page about his accent is not worth a page, the end. A page about people mentioning or mocking his accent might be better, but Coach Z still deserves one more. --Jay (Talk) 20:23, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Well, the necessity of each page should be considered based on its own merit, not in comparison with other pages, right? -132.183.140.194 20:25, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Normally, but here I consider the comparison fair. --Jay (Talk) 20:26, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Let's remember that there is a difference in a character's flaw and a gag. A page on Z's accent would be wrong, as not enough people mention it in a gag-form. Here, this is a joke. There is a huge difference. Let's not compare apples and oranges, man. --Jellote wuz here 20:38, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Are you to imply that characters never mention Coach Z's weird accent? I must disagree with you there. --Jay (Talk) 21:39, 30 October 2009 (UTC)
Not at all, Jay, but that was a plot point, not a gag. Can't we at least try it? Or better yet, could some other people get their opinions in? This isn't a discussion; it's and arugment. Until other people voice their opinions, neither side is gonnna budge.--Jellote wuz here 23:05, 30 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Jellote and Anonnie, it would be a good idea to keep track of the mentions and make fun-ofs. And Coach Z's accent hasn't been the same way, never ever mentioned and/or made fun of directly, only used as the focus of a plot for a cartoon. So, quickbeforeanybodycansaytheydisagreewithus...we should change the page. CrabAttack1999 20:54, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Delete. Too general, and before I fixed it up some time ago, it was very poorly-written. RickTommy (edits) 08:14, 25 April 2012 (UTC)
Wow, this page still exists? Well, okay, now it doesn't. --Jay (Talk) 03:16, 30 May 2012 (UTC)
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