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Just how does TV Tropes do "a better job at documenting and describing [concepts]" than this very wiki? To me, that website is the very definition of ""[[unnatural|an organized forum for people to shout out their ideas all at the same time]]": it's a complete mess of potentially interesting information, which overwhelms the reader due to a complete lack of standards and formatting. You claim that we should make ANY specific references to any examples of "dream seasons" (what's wrong with mentioning just two or three extremely well-known examples?), yet then link to some website that attempts to list every single use of dreams in all the films, TV programmes, anime, manga and video games that it can think of? Do we really need to pass the buck this badly? Instead, we should all take a look at a similar problem that happened a while ago with [[bottom 10]]; the problem involved "songs that try to pass off la la's, na na's, and doot do's as legit lyrics". There are a million songs this statement could be referencing, so it was decided that we would only make three well-known references and leave it at that. A similar solution should be taken with this article; we add a sentence to the fact along the lines of "Notable example of 'dream seasons' include Dallas, Newhart and Roseanne," and an invisble comment asking people not to make any more references. It might be OK to keep the link to TV Tropes if enough people want to, but at least don't leave our explaination of the concept as it is. It just looks terribly generic and wishy-washy unless the link is followed. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Just how does TV Tropes do "a better job at documenting and describing [concepts]" than this very wiki? To me, that website is the very definition of ""[[unnatural|an organized forum for people to shout out their ideas all at the same time]]": it's a complete mess of potentially interesting information, which overwhelms the reader due to a complete lack of standards and formatting. You claim that we should make ANY specific references to any examples of "dream seasons" (what's wrong with mentioning just two or three extremely well-known examples?), yet then link to some website that attempts to list every single use of dreams in all the films, TV programmes, anime, manga and video games that it can think of? Do we really need to pass the buck this badly? Instead, we should all take a look at a similar problem that happened a while ago with [[bottom 10]]; the problem involved "songs that try to pass off la la's, na na's, and doot do's as legit lyrics". There are a million songs this statement could be referencing, so it was decided that we would only make three well-known references and leave it at that. A similar solution should be taken with this article; we add a sentence to the fact along the lines of "Notable example of 'dream seasons' include Dallas, Newhart and Roseanne," and an invisble comment asking people not to make any more references. It might be OK to keep the link to TV Tropes if enough people want to, but at least don't leave our explaination of the concept as it is. It just looks terribly generic and wishy-washy unless the link is followed. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 16:31, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:I'd forgotten about ''Roseanne''. ''Dallas'' is the only example I find where the writers wrote themselves into a corner and out of desperation wiped out the whole season. I would not support listing ''Newhart'', as that final episode wiped out the entire ''series'' and was played for laughs. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
:I'd forgotten about ''Roseanne''. ''Dallas'' is the only example I find where the writers wrote themselves into a corner and out of desperation wiped out the whole season. I would not support listing ''Newhart'', as that final episode wiped out the entire ''series'' and was played for laughs. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 17:59, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
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It just occurred to me that I forgot to add an alternative to the Tropes link, so it looks like I'm complaining instead of trying to improve the article.  Sorry about that.  For the record, I think that a general explanation of the concept with one or two references to the most popular examples, like what somebody suggested above, would suffice.  -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]]
 
Can we just add at the end of the reference a couple of examples? Just make it "Marzipan's remark that the entire last season was just a dream refers to a gimmick employed by several television series in which such a revelation is made, usually in the last episode of that season, in series such as ''Dallas'' or ''Roseanne''." I think it would make the reference better, while still leaving it open ended. --[[User:Zonis|Zonis]] 03:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
Can we just add at the end of the reference a couple of examples? Just make it "Marzipan's remark that the entire last season was just a dream refers to a gimmick employed by several television series in which such a revelation is made, usually in the last episode of that season, in series such as ''Dallas'' or ''Roseanne''." I think it would make the reference better, while still leaving it open ended. --[[User:Zonis|Zonis]] 03:21, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

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