Talk:Jibblies 2

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2 things

1. this is the first/ maybe 2nd time strong bad closes is eyes 2. strong bad breaks the 4th wall by refrencing the title of the toon Foogs. 22:35, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Not to mention by referring to Coach Z, the Poopsmith and the KOT as "characters." -invisible_map

Stick Costume

Does anyone know what The Stick was supposed to be dressed as? For some random reason, I'm thinking Donald Duck. -141.133.145.118 00:19, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

nvm, just looked at the costume page. It's so fitting now! -141.133.145.118 00:21, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

The Stick is Lowly Worm. 207.62.231.2 00:23, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I think that you think The Stick is Donald is because of Donald's Robin Hood get-up. SuperfieldCreditUnion

Robin Hood was played by Daffy. Keep your ducks straight! --BigScaryMike _{(Talk/Contrib)} 03:58, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

But why do Strong Bad and Homestar insult The Stick? Does it have something to do with the Lowly Worm get up?128.104.61.243 19:56, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

No Interactivity

Does anyone else believe this toon broke a tradition for h*r halloween specials? In 2001, they had that trick-or-treat game, in 2003, they had a brief scene making fun of the trick-or-treat game, and in 2005, they had a potion game. This would be the 1st h*r Halloween special out of the ones released in an odd-numbered year not to include interactivity other than the usual Easter Eggs. Bad Bad Guy 00:33, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

...Ummm, yeah. Odd numbered years. Danny Lilithborne 03:43, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

About the mirror

There have been mirrors like that before the release of the Man of the Year 2006 issue (I caught a glimpse of one in a movie when flipping channels). I think saying it is a reference to that exact issue is a bit of a stretch. 207.119.175.50 00:34, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure the mirror is a reference to an actual mirror of that type, similar to the one featured in The Big Lebowski. (The Dude peers into this mirror in The Big Lebowski's office.) Link The "You" cover is too big of a stretch, especially when one of Pom-Pom's previous costumes was Walter Sobchak. -ReverendTed 01:40, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Big Lebowski - probably. Time magazine - no. It looks EXACTLY like the Big Lebowski mirror and NOTHING like the Time magazine cover. I remember you used to be able to buy those mirrors, a looong time ago. Stev0 18:10, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Was Nikolai Volkoff ever on the cover of Time? --Trogga 02:09, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

No, but neither was The Dude. Stev0 15:21, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Regardless of Lebowski or MOTY '06, it still refers to Time's Man of the Year practice, doesn't it? --DorianGray 03:54, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

That's true, but as written right now, that's already linked to. Stev0 15:21, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Kids Choice Awards

When Marzipan says, "I don't know" and then the green slime oozes on her, that was a reference to the Nick Kids Choice Awards.-Ava 00:50, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Actually, from what I've heard, the Nickolodeon slime tradition began on YCDTOTV. -141.133.145.118 01:49, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Regardless of where Nickelodeon got that tradition, that's a *direct* reference to TCDTOTV, where saying "I don't know" would get you slimed. *remembers watching that show as a kid* -YK 01:52, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Yep, and as clicking on Ross calls on the scene, I'd say it's an homage to YCDTOTV. It isn't even the first reference to that show on this site. Surprised they didn't throw in a "water" gag too. PlasticDiverGuy 04:44, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

{PlasticDiverGuy gets drenched with water} (Sorry, I couldn't resist. =P) -YK 06:47, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Shower scene?

The following fact was STUFFed — let's see it can be resolved here first:

Coach Z's shower scene is a reference to the famous shower scene in the horror movie Psycho.

There was one vote and an argument against, from NFITC1: "I've seen the original Psycho and it's nothing alike it except they're in a shower." So, what do people think. Is this a reference or not, and why? Trey56 01:17, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I think that the connection to Psycho is tenuous at best. Coach Z's scene did not feature several closeups of him being attacked, nor was there the trademark high pitched staccato strings. Those would be the strongest connections to the film. wbwolf (t | ed) 01:23, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I think that Coach Z's line before getting attacked is a reference, not the attack itself. —Shwoo 01:28, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Wbwolf, I think you're right — if it was a reference to Psycho, they really would have used the trademark music. More likely, it's just a nod to the typical "shower scene" in horror movies (which originated with Psycho, I think). So, mayhaps the fact could be modified to refer to the stereotypical scene, rather than this specific movie. Trey56 01:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I'd say this is more generally a reference to the fact that horror film starlettes are so often caught by the bad guy while in the shower. This is perhaps a subclause of the convention that the token hot chick will always die during or immediately following her topless scene. That being said, I don't think this warrants an explanatory note. -Telamon 01:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Hey. I'm the guy who originally posted this fact. As soon as Coach Z said that "a pretty thing like him" would be perfectly safe in the shower, I knew that it was a reference to those horror movies in which the heroine dies. Psycho was just the first one to come to mind because it was so well known. -141.133.145.118 02:08, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Classic Nick

There's a classic Nickelodeon theme going.

The Stick: Lowly Worm from Busy World of Richard Scarry: early Nick Jr.

Strong Bad: Beetlejuice, from a cartoon on Nick

Homestar: Artie, from Pete & Pete which was on Nick in the 80s and 90s

Homsar: the Typewriter guy from Sesame Street, which was once on Nick

You Can't Do That On Television- on Nick in the 80s

Awexome 01:32, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Beetlejuice was not a cartoon that was exclusive to Nickelodeon, but ran on other outlets (including Cartoon Network) throughout the 1990s. I know Sesame Street is on Noggin, Nick/CTW's spin-off, but I don't think it was on Nick proper. Still, three references (two exclusive, since Richard Scarry was also a series of books) is pretty strong. wbwolf (t | ed) 01:37, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

What about The Cheat? Was Danger Mouse on Nick too? -141.133.145.118 01:48, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, it was, as far as I can remember... back in the late '80s, early '90s, I believe. -YK 01:50, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Spelling and Nitpicks (add more as they're noticed)

"In it, the hero possesses a weapon called "The Glave" that looks identical to the picture on Strong Sad's tarot." Checking around on Wikipedia and IMDB, "Glaive" appears to be the correct spelling, yes? (If the appropriate editor agrees, you can nix this comment when it's changed.) ProtocolOH 01:53, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Marzipan's answering machine

Have any of you noticed that the number of messages on Marzipan's answering machine is 666? Does that mean the jibblies would have affected everybody until the're dead?-Don't say jorb 101

• I am under the impression it's just foreshadowing who the caller is... the number has demonic connotations: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast and more specifically http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_of_the_Beast#Culture_and_psychology --70.106.82.44 03:05, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

It just means that the rocoulm or whatever has taken over the answering machine. Presumably it picking up the call possessed it -Jdhannan 18:04, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

MArzipan's guitar

Hey did anyone else notice that marzipan's guitar only has five strings?

Hammakers Slammakers?

I believe that the store when StrongBad tried to find a Xenomorph costume is supposed to be combination of Hammacher Schlemmer, a catalog store for high-end, luxery gifts (like The Sharper Image) and Hammer's Slammers, a series of military science fiction novels and short stories by David Drake.

"Human Grate on my nerves"

• It sounds like "Human Gettin' on my nerves" to me. Which doesn't make any sense, but that's par for the course, really. Danny Lilithborne 03:45, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
  • I hear grate. As in grating nerves. --70.106.82.44 14:19, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
    • Geez, 0 for two. :( Danny Lilithborne 23:29, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Strong Bad smiling

• Is he smiling? I think the curve of the Beetlejuice teeth make it look as though he's smiling, but if you look closer it's his usual face. Danny Lilithborne 03:45, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes. The whole toon. Follow the contours of his mouth. --Jay (Talk) 03:56, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Well blow me down, so he is. :/ Danny Lilithborne 04:19, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, he goes back to his normal face right before he gets jibbilied. SuperfieldCreditUnion

When you wear fake teeth, you wanna show 'em off! Ever see a little kid wearing them on Halloween? All wide grins and growls so you can see the teeth. lol. -- 208.60.233.161 20:34, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

misc

A) Does anyone notice anything...unusual...about the football trophy? B) I don't hear Strong Sad saying "Xenomorph." I hear "Beatlemorph" or "Beatleborgs" or something, as if he's trying to say "Beatlejuice" three times. --71.203.169.248 04:03, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

a) What football trophy? The golbol looks normal to me. b) Strong Sad is clearly saying "Xenomorph"; he's correcting Coach Z's generic use of the word "alien" (in the Jibblies 2 Teaser, a silhouette of a Xenomorph costume is seen in place of Strong Bad.) --Jay (Talk) 08:22, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I think he means the football trophy in Strong Mad's room, but I didn't notice anything remarkable about it. --DorianGray 08:25, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Homsar smiling?

I don't think I've ever witnessed this happen before. Did he ever have such a wide smile in any other cartoon?--75.62.6.158 04:42, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I believe the reason his smile is so wide in this cartoon is to portray his chin as the top of the paper in the typewriter as best as possible without cutting off the top of his head. - PlasticDiverGuy 06:14, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Volkov

Someone wrote under "goofs" that "Volkoff" is a misspelling of "Volkov." This is incorrect. Russian uses the Cyrillic alphabet, and there are a number of different ways of transliterating it into ours. I've seen final "v"s and final "ff"s used interchangeably all over the place -- for instance, "Prokofiev" vs. "Prokofieff," "Rachmaninov" vs. "Rachmaninoff." The "v" is the preferred transliteration in academic/linguistic contexts, but in everday use, they're both pretty common. In fact, the Wikipedia article calls him "Volkoff." -invisible_map

Oops, I watched the toon again, and TBC spell it "Volkov," so I must have misread the "goofs" section. Either way, though, they're both acceptable spellings.

Transliteration from the Russian alphabet really isn't the issue though. If Strong Mad is meant to be the former WWE wrestler Nikolai Volkoff, the Brothers Chaps made a spelling mistake, since the name has always been Volkoff in English. - Boffo97 13:43, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Traditional spellings of names from languages with different writing systems are sometimes changed to more accurately reflect the pronunciation. For instance, "Mao Tse-Tung" is usually spelled "Mao Zedong" now. Sometimes the old spelling is so well-known that change is slow to catch on -- for instance, people almost always write "Lao-Tzu" for the Daoist/Taoist philosopher, even though "Laozi" is the preferred spelling among people who study this stuff. Same thing with "Prokofiev" (which has totally displaced "Prokofieff" vs. "Rachmaninov" (which is still less common than "Rachmaninoff"). Here's my point: even if "Volkoff" is the traditional and more common spelling, "Volkov" is not *wrong*. In fact, it's probably closer to the way it actually sounds in Russian (though I'd want to ask a Russian-speaker to verify that). And "Nikolai Volkov" gets 11,000 hits on Google.

Yes, I know what transliteration is. The point is, despite its appearance, the name "Nikolai Volkoff", as relates to the former pro wrestler, was never in the Russian alphabet. It was devised in English. It was flashed on screen before every one of his matches. Therefore, *for this case*, "Nikolai Volkoff" is correct, and "Nikolai Volkov" is wrong. If we were dealing with a name devised in a non English alphabet we were transliterating, then what you were saying would be correct. We are not. - Boffo97 19:17, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm a Russian speaker, and I can tell you that the Russian "v" (or "в" in cyrillic) is often "de-voiced" -- that is, it sounds like an "f." However, it's still spelled the same in cyrillic. Therefore, although the "f" sound might be closer to the actual Russian pronunciation, for consistency's sake, I would normally spell it with a "v," since most English speakers probably will not know when or how to use the "de-voiced" spelling. However, a lot of Russian names are traditionally romanized with "ff" (such as Rachmaninoff) so it gets a bit confusing. Your best bet is to put down the most widely-used one.

On a similar note, I've put a more-correct definition and pronunciation of the word "русский" (roughly pronounced "rooski") on the section with the slang term for Russians ("Russkie"). (This was before I created my account a minute or so ago.) Graymornings 16:56, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

2 Forum Topics

Would it be better for us to link to [http://forum.hrwiki.org/viewtopic.php?t=12733 the forum topic] that started 1st or the forum topic with more replies? Bad Bad Guy 12:57, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I just found out the 1 created 1st was the 1 with more replies. Bad Bad Guy 23:34, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Creep...wha?

The transcript has "creep-take", the subtitles have "creep-cake". Sounds to me like Homestar's saying "creepsake" as a pun on keepsake. TTEchidna 16:11, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

It's Creepstakes. Like Sweepstakes. -- 208.60.233.69 17:46, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Whereas I heard it as Creepcakes. Like cupcakes. Or crabcakes. This could go on forever! 83.67.65.98 23:26, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Length

I saw on the "Teaser Page" (Link leads to specific page, look under "Toon Title" at about the middle.) Talk:Jibblies 2 Teaser that this toon would "be amazing" if it exceeded 6 minutes. Is that important? Because I didn't see anything under Remarks about the toon being 6:44 and if it that was important to the original poster, would it have any relevance in the Remarks section of the information? Thanks Stinkoblade 16:51, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't suppose its 7:06 if u include homsar's scene or anything, is it? -Jdhannan 18:06, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Clickable button

In the answering machine scene, the right button on the machine is clickable. I was thinking maybe it would yield an Easter Egg, but no. Can any of the Flash-knowledgeable advise whether that's just because they recycled a Flash file, or is this noteworthy? —AbdiViklas 16:56, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

I'm no expert, but I'm gonna assume it's because they recycled a Flash file. Nothing happens when you click it except it messes up the scene, effectively ruling out it being an Easter Egg, and recall that TBC have made these kind of mistakes before, primarily with the VCR and the Tandy and Compy's contrast buttons. -YK 18:40, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Um, I just cleared my cache so I could see the "new" version with the KOT and Poopsmith easter eggs, and now I can't click the button, so I'll assume it's fixed and note it on the page.-- Nevadie 22:00, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Well, that more or less confirms that it was just a glitch/flash artifact, at least. -YK 22:50, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Strong Sad

Should it be remarked that Strong Sad's eyes would be behind his fat kid mask, in comparison to his mouth? Or that it's odd that it's a white face, as opposed to a flesh-colored one? Heck, he pretty much just has a different head. Like the KOT when he dressed up as the mayor of Halloween Town. --Abelhawk 18:18, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Title Card

The title card is holographic/3D. Awexome 19:59, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Jibblied Bubs

• The way Bubs said "uh, jibblies" reminded me of Homestar saying "uh, crapface" instead of kicking the Cheat in replacement, but that's probably a coincidence. Want to see if anyone saw it too. Danny Lilithborne 23:05, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

Where We're Going We Don't Need Rides

Is it possible the reason they decided to dress the Poopsmith as Doc Brown was because the Back to the Future ride closed this year? Bad Bad Guy 23:40, 30 October 2007 (UTC)

That sounds a little extreme... —Guard Duck ^talk 00:57, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I'd say it's about as likely as them using him on The Poopsmith because he's Doc BROWN. --71.203.169.248 02:11, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Electric Cacodemon

Did anyone notice the electrical noises coming from the jibblied Pom Pom? Or is that just another addition with the fixed glitches? -141.133.145.118 00:30, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

The TIME Mirror

I understand the Big Lebowski idea, but could the mirror also be a reference to when Time named "You" Person of the Year and had a mirror on the cover? I added it just to be safe, even though it might drive the mirror into TTATOT territory.

See Talk:Jibblies 2#About the mirror. Bad Bad Guy 02:25, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

That comment had already been made, and removed. Personally, I don't think the "You" cover of Time magazine is a strong enough reference to be noteworthy. -ReverendTed 02:30, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Razor blade apples

I think that the razor blade apples could be a reference to the "I Luv Halloween" comic book. where the characters put razor blades in an apple, give it to a policeman and then frame the old woman who gave it to them on Halloween.

The razor-blade apple urban myth certainly predates the 2005 comic book. Given the nature of that book (going by what I read over at Wikipedia), I seriously doubt it's something TBC would reference directly anyway. -ReverendTed 02:37, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

It's the Urban Legend. 100%. --71.203.169.248 04:24, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

WhoDonkis

Y'know, I really don't think Homestar is saying, "The Donkis must be stopped!" It sounds a lot more like Poodonkis/Pudonkis. I know, I'm just as confused as you are when it comes to the name, but it's definitely not The Donkis. This leads me to believe that "Who? Donkis is behind all this?" is not correct either. —BazookaJoe 04:10, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I heard this myself. It's definitely not just "Donkis". It does, at least, begin with an "oo" sound. Oodonkis. Udonkis? The tag only reads "onkis", so it's hard to say what it is. C'mon, TBC! Show some sketches or a quote of the week that'll clear this up for us! --DorianGray 04:17, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I think I get what you're saying, but the thing's name is on its tag and there doesn't seem to be much space for more letters. (If it IS something other than "Donkis", expect a QoW or something.) --Jay (Talk) 09:14, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Upon pulling out my headphones to check another line, I noticed that... you're absolutely right. There's a clear consonant (I think a "P") and "oo" sound both times Homestar says the dino's name. --Jay (Talk) 10:25, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Let's go with Pudonkis as a good guess of spelling. Fine with everybody? —BazookaJoe 17:25, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

'Swhat I hear, too. I think it's a portmanteau of Donkis and the Pudong district of Shanghai. (Not really, but hey, crackpot theories are better than none, right?) Heimstern Läufer 18:25, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

1984

Ok. This is big. Follow me here. At the beginning and ending of the cartoon is the pumpkin card with the Roman numeral "23" under it. OK, this is because the deck only has 22 cards...BUT...23 years ago...was 1984. I realize that it was pointed out above that there's a Nickelodeon connection. OK. There's a MASSIVE 1984 connection.

In 1984 Volkoff Teamed up with the Iron Sheik.
In 1984 the top rated children's show in America was You Can't Do That On Television
Back to the Future was 1985...ok...that's close...and...time travel...off by a year. Also, in 1984, John De Lorean's cars faced tremendous problems as he was arrested for coke. Remeber, in the movie...
So So Def was founded by Jermaine Dupree in 1984.
In 1984 Jesse Jackson ran for president, not Sharpton, even though today they are generally said in the same breath. HOWEVER, Sharpton first received national attention in 1984 for leading public outcry against the relaxed treatment towards Bernard Goetz
Richard Scarry wrote five books in 1984; Busy Fun and Learn Book, Pig Will and Pig Won't, Meet the Animals, On Holiday, and finally most significantly...Lowly Worm's Bath
I don't know that much about Cacodemons. In 1984 Cacodemon Roi was written, and the [third version of D&D was in late 1983, which apparently uses these things.
In the 1980's The Far Side was huge, and the first Far Side Gallery was published.
Prince's Purple Rain was writen in 1984.
Dangermouse first hit the States on June 4, 1984.
The noony noony typewriter from Sesame Street...the famous death of Mr. Hooper Episode was Thanksgiving of 1983 (almost '84.)
The last two are kind of stretches. Pete and Pete didn't start until 1993, and the character of Andy was created for the No Shame Theater which started in '86, BUT...ok...the show, Pete and Pete, their Theme Song was written by Polaris...which was founded in ...everybody? Yes, 1984.
Then there's Strong Bad. The Xenomorph makes more sense here. Alien was made in '79, but the video game was made in 1984. In addition, Riddley Scott, who made Alien, made the very famous 1984 Apple\Macintosh commercial.
Beetlejuice however...Beetlejuice was 1989...Ghostbusters was '84, and some sites seem to have that confused (A, B, C, D, E)...Keaton was in Johnny Dangerously in 1984...and Burton made Frankenweenie in 1984...Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy's So Long and Thanks For All The Fish was written in 1984, and Ford Prefect was from the vacinity of Betelgeuse...but ok, on this one...it's a stretch. Maybe because he's Strong Sad's Big Brother. Not sure.

But...two more quotes....One from Homestar..."Brother called up Marzipan right before I ran into you." Not Big Brother? Maybe...but...from the book 1984..."It was bliss, it was eternity." --71.203.169.248 05:03, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

I don't know. Most of these seem to be waaay too much of a stretch to be in the main article. Alien Video game? Okay, a Lowly Worm book was published in 1984, but the character was created long before that. Mr. Hooper's death and the Back to the Future movie are NOT 1984 references, and close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades... — 220.19.16.13 (Talk | contribs) 06:37, 31 October 2007 (UTC) (left unsigned)

I have to agree — I think the connections are a quite a stretch. Probably the only reason that there's some connection to 1984 in some of them is that TBC tend to reference things from the '80s. I'm going to remove the info from the article for now (the info I removed can be seen here). Trey56 06:50, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Some are more firm than others. Prince's biggest work was Purple Rain. That's 1984. That's firm. Dangermouse started here in '84. The wrestler became huge in '84. (You have to understand, the teamup wasn't just a "sporting event," it was a rather noted infamous move, they combined a "Russian" and an "Arab" into one "Evil team," that's why he's remembered. Sharpton literally first hit headlines...Farside's first gallery...YCDTOT, in 1984, it was THE #1 show amoung children, that year, and only that year. So So Def started in '84. I mean the rest are iffy, but that's not enough to raise an eyebrow, given the XXIII, seriously? Plus, the 1983 ones, they were all post Halloween, Thanksgiving and Christmas, so they were also both "XXIII" years ago, so yeah, that is close enough outside of both horseshoes, and handgrenades--71.203.169.248 11:24, 31 October 2007 (UTC).

I'm not into elaborate conspiracy theories. This is what Homestar would call a coinkydink. Stev0 15:24, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Fhqwhgads

I noticed when the painting is about to jibblie Strong Bad, he says his normal "Come on in here!" However, he says the first "come on" like in the song "Everybody to the Limit."

Confirm? --144.80.83.157 18:55, 31 October 2007 (UTC)