Talk:Ketchup

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Ketchup is an extremely common real-world item. It is not notable within the Homestar Runner body of work.

Delete.It's dot com 18:24, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

But it comes up alot in Homestar Runner. Eggs are a common item, too, but they have their own page. --Jangles5150 (words+helps) 18:26, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Eggs appear EVERYWHERE and in all sorts of odd rolls. Ketchup mostly appears with fries. גשמלדרברגן (Geshmalder) 03:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
Sure, there are many generic food and drinks that are notable wihtin the Homestar Runner body of work. Ketchup isn't one of them. -- Tom 18:32, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
How is Ketchup not one of them? Explain that to me. --Jangles5150 (words+helps) 18:34, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
A generic food has to have quite a few appearances before it becomes a running gag, simply because it's generic. In this case, I agree that there aren't nearly enough. However, there is a running gag for a specific brand of ketchup: Quite Fancy 'Chup. Trey56 18:44, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
I didn't put all of the appearances up there. There are more. --Jangles5150 (words+helps) 18:45, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Agree. I think Ketchup should have at least 3 more appearances before it is a good page or play a major role in a Strong Bad Email or toon. But for now: Delorted! User talk:Sam the Man Sam the Man 19:37, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm thinking this deserves to be...Delteated!-- Nevadie 21:05, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
It's time to let it go. Deleted! --Collin Diver 22:40, 10 April 2007 (UTC)
Dude there are like 50 apearences of ketchup. I just didnt put them on there. --Jangles5150 (words+helps) 20:04, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I think you guys hate me. --Jangles5150 (words+helps) 20:55, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Jangles, it has nothing to do with you; we're just discussing the merit of the page. It's unrelated to whether or not you created it, so don't take it personally. Talk atcha later, Trey56 20:59, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
No, like every single page I've made has been deleted, except for 2. thats like, 2 out of 10. --Jangles5150 (words+helps) 21:00, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, man, it is not you, dude. It is just the article is too generic. Delete, but don't take it personal. You are still cool. B-) --TheYellowDart(t/c) 21:01, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
I don't know specifically which pages you created in the past, but this happens to a lot of new pages. The problem is that we already have almost all the ones we need (with a few exceptions). Sorry, though. I know it can be frustrating. Trey56 21:12, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

But Ketchup still comes up alot. Like Eggs. so, KEEP!!!--Jangles5150 (words+helps) 21:14, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Jangles, just about every long-time user has had something they worked on get deleted. It's not personal. Nobody hates you. That said, here's the problem I see with this article: On the one hand, yes, there are a lot of appearances, enough to probably justify an article, but on the other hand, ketchup is such a common real-world item that of course it shows up lots of times. The question we have to answer is, is it really that notable? — It's dot com 21:20, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

EGGS COME UP IN THE REAL WORLD TOO. ALOT MORE THEN KETCHUP.and yes, it is worthy of its own page. --Jangles5150 (words+helps) 21:21, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Jangles, please stop complaining. It's got nothing to do with you. We are deciding. User talk:Sam the Man Sam the Man
im not complaining. and i understand that its not about me. these people are gonna make me have to cuss somebody out. --Jangles5150 (words+helps) 21:34, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Then maybe you need to go outside or watch TV for an hour. Editing the wiki while angry is a recipe for bad news. — It's dot com 21:37, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
Yeah man, and I should know from the past. Swim away! Swim away! --TheYellowDart(t/c) 21:42, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

ok --Jangles5150 (words+helps) 21:43, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Keep. This page used to be on the Food and drinks category, where it obviously didn't belong. Now that I moved it to Generic food and drinks it becomes plainly visible that this page belong in our database. There are several pages on that category that are about food items that are as generic as Ketchup, have even less appearances, and are 100% legitimate (Cake, Cinnamon, French Fries, Peas, Prawns and Tofu). Ketchup was referenced by name by several characters and even have jokes related to them (such as ketchup bombs and Strong Bad putting too much on his fries) so they are not just a background item. The Deletion Policy clearly states: "[Generic items] needs at least five to ten appearances and must be of at least moderate importance to the toon (i.e. not just in the background and never mentioned) in half of its appearances."
For all these reasons, I want to hold off the deletion of this page against consensus (Right now it's the creator of the page and I against a lot of other users) and let my point be addressed. The only reason I saw for deleting it is that it is too generic, which I clearly countered here. Let's give this page a fair trial. Elcool (talk)(contribs) 03:57, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Keep. However, should we change this page to something related to the actual bottle of ketchup? That might clear things up a bit. - Pants 3000 20:15, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
If we go over page guidelines, a running gag or a item should have 5-10 appearances or 1 major appearance to be a page. Ketchup fits that rule. So keep. User talk:Sam the Man Sam the Man
There was a strong support for this page to be deleted. I'm not going to remove the TBD until at least one more user supports to keep is. Elcool (talk)(contribs) 05:09, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

:::I wrote near the bottom that we should keep it. Can I remove it now? I forgot to check the dates before I said that. Bad Bad Guy 15:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Elcool. While some appearances (like in Date Nite) are completely uninteresting, Ketchup often sometimes supports jokes (Strong Bad's fake finger fake blood, for example). I'm all for keepLoafing 07:02, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
I still think that (outside of Quite Fancy 'Chup) the references to ketchup are too few and too generic to merit their own article — I'm standing by my previous vote to delete. Trey56 07:08, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
I'm not really convinced of the merits of this article. Whereas Cake, Peas, Prawns and many of the other foods we have as articles appear in peculiar situations, ketchup is used in everyday situations (except that computer time, of course). Heimstern Läufer 07:15, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

I counted 5 or 6 of those instances as jokes, though some of them may be debatable (I'll mark them):

  • Bubs' character video
  • Where's The Cheat? (the joke being he has ketchup listed twice with 2 names)
  • Email funny (which could be 2 jokes; 1 for the Compy and 1 for the bomb)
  • Thy Dungeonman 3
  • Email underlings

Plus, it can be argued that ketchup had a major role in colonization, since Strong Sad's disgust at Strong Bad applying it to his eggs prompted him to found Strong Badia. Bad Bad Guy 02:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Please settle those debatable ones so we can decide once and for all if it should stay. Bad Bad Guy 15:37, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
People! This is the thing that could settle the life and death of this article once and for all! If those debatable 1s do not count, it would only be 1 away from staying! Bad Bad Guy 03:24, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Should I just count them all and remove the {{tbd}} stuff? Bad Bad Guy 19:29, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
3 days left to decide. Bad Bad Guy 15:26, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
Please don't set time limits on such matters, Bad Bad Guy. You have no authority to do so. It is the job of the sysops to determine if there is consensus to delete a page or not, as well as to determine if more time is needed for discussion.
I have examined the arguments and determined that there is no consensus here, one way or the other. This means we automatically stay with the status quo, i.e., keep. Heimstern Läufer 17:48, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Merge

I think it should stay, or it needs a major rewrite. We also need an image, more before the list of appearances and maybe merge Quite Fancy Chup with this. User talk:Sam the Man Sam the Man

Keep. --Jnelson09 18:54, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, merge the Quite Fancy 'Chup page with this. Oh ,and thanks for the help, Sam. --Jangles5150 22:52, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
N.O! (No Problem) User talk:Sam the Man Sam the Man
Or, we could delete the Fancy 'Chup article, and put a section about it in this article. --Jangles5150 12:02, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
Hello? Where are all those Van Peoples? That were talking to me. --Jangles5150 19:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
Merge Quite Fancy 'Chup into it, then keep. Bad Bad Guy 01:59, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
Yes. Si. Um, Yes. --Jangles5150 19:06, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
Definitely no merge. These are separate and should be separate on the wiki. Loafing 07:00, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
Agree with no merging. No opinion beyond that. --DorianGray 07:02, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
It come up more the 3 times so keep User:Moocowmoocow
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