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When I watched the toon, I thought those boys were asking people to help them write a band name, not conversing about a band called "band name."  Does anyone agree with me or is it gonna stay? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:51, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
When I watched the toon, I thought those boys were asking people to help them write a band name, not conversing about a band called "band name."  Does anyone agree with me or is it gonna stay? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 22:51, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:It's going to stay. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 23:38, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
:It's going to stay. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 23:38, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
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:I agree, the fact that they say "she likes cloth" is a good band name, and the fact that the easter egg features a cd by she likes cloth with their heads on it. I think it's the one guy bugging the other guy about coming up with a band name. Removing. - {{User:Young Roy/sig}}
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::I agree, the fact that they say "she likes cloth" is a good band name, and the fact that the easter egg features a cd by she likes cloth with their heads on it. I think it's the one guy bugging the other guy about coming up with a band name. Removing. - {{User:Young Roy/sig}}
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:::No, they're talking about "band name" and then they hear it and are reminded of band names... It stays. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 12:20, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
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I'm not sure this is a nondescript noun in the same sense... it just sounds like bubs is tying to make it sound like it really is connected to a movie so it'll sell better. I could go either way on this one. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:32, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm not sure this is a nondescript noun in the same sense... it just sounds like bubs is tying to make it sound like it really is connected to a movie so it'll sell better. I could go either way on this one. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 02:32, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
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:Well, I thought the fact Homestar knew what movie it was just by "the sequel" made it count. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 06:19, 26 December 2008 (UTC)
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Nouns aren't descriptive or nondescript. Nouns are just people, places, or things. The ''name'' of a specific noun, on the other hand, can be descriptive or not, and just about everything on this page is a name. This article should be renamed [[Nondescript Names]], and the companion article should be [[Overdescriptive Names]]. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 05:02, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
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:Makes sense to me {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 09:43, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
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::Or "Generic Names" would work.
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:::Nope. Both the nondescript names and the overdescriptive names have a sense of genericness to them, the difference is whether they are descriptions that are overly specific, or overly general. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 11:32, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
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:How about "vague noun descriptions" and "overdetailed noun descriptions"? [[User:StarFox|StarFox]] 01:02, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
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::::That last one, while more accurate, is a bit of a tongue tripper.  I like Dot Com's suggestions. {{User:GuardDuck/sig}} 01:52, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
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:::::Why must you people make things difficult? No one has given a reason why Dot com's suggestions wouldn't work, so why suggest anything else? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 11:09, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
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::::::We could try "Understatements".I know it dosen't have anything to do with nouns but it's the best I've got for a title [[User:Wasd98]]
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:::::::"Nondescript" doesn't mean "generic," and it doesn't mean "understated."  It refers to something boring, everyday, or commonplace.  I'm partial to "Generic Names."  To be honest, the "Overdescriptive Nouns" page doesn't serve much of a purpose. [[User:Van Mundegaarde|Van Mundegaarde]] 03:16, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
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::::::::This page should be renamed to [[Wiki Article]] and the other one renamed to [[Names and Phrases That Are Unnecessarily Long and Self Descriptive]].  ''{removes tongue from cheek}'' ... It's dot com's suggestions are good, definitely an improvement to use "Names" vs "Nouns".  Something about the title "Overdescriptive" doesn't quite feel right to me, but I can't think of anything better.  Maybe it should be two words, or hyphenated, since... well, overdescriptive isn't a word. [[Special:Contributions/98.222.134.36|98.222.134.36]] 04:43, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
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I know this discussion has been dead for a while, but what does everyone think of the name "Descriptive Phrases Treated as Names"?  It's a bit long, but to me it sounds like the most accurate description of what's happening with this running gag:  things have "names" that describe them rather than assigning them a name.  [[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 18:50, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
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I'd like to suggest "Nouns with vague names" and "Nouns with unusually long names" [[User:StarFox|StarFox]] 07:03, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
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I agree with StarFox. Nouns with vague names sounds better than Nondescript Nouns. It would confuse our younger readers (8 and below, maybe 10). I think it should be maybe, "Nouns With Vague Names" typed like that. Either way does not matter. [[User:doctorwho295]] July 15, 2009
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:Except get rid of the "Nouns with" baggage. "Vague Names" or "Generic Names" would work just fine. (Aside: Our target audience is nowhere close to that young.) For the companion article, why not just "Long Names". We don't need to say that they're unusually long, because that's implied by the fact that the article exists in the first place. (A name that is of "usual" length is not notable.) — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 00:06, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
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Agreed. [[User:StarFox|StarFox]] 00:48, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
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I think the name is just fine, albeit a little... not used in general society. What I mean is, not a lot of people use the word 'nondescript'. Either way I like it. '''Keep the old name''' -Espemon333 10:17 July 31, 2009 (UTC)(Whatever that means)
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maybe bad descriptions because the words are said terribly
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I propose "'The gist' nouns" because all the names are just straight to the point. For instance "The Robot" from the Children's book could have been called Xexorz (over) 9000 or something dedicated to the representation of a machine but the Brothers just decided to cut through the Bovine droppings and settled for "The Robot". The same goes for "that paintball place across the street" Insteaded of calling it Cardgage's Sporting Goods, office supplies, and other projectiles sales, they just said forget it and just called it something anybody could identify. Which brings another thought to light "Easy-to-deduce names" or "commonly thoughted names", or "John Doe nouns" or something to that effect since we are talking about vague descriptions to something that could otherwise be specified. {{unsigned|108.82.38.66|07:47, 24 July 2013 (UTC)}}
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Anyone else think this page should be a bit easier to read? Maybe make categories like "Toons" and "Emails" or something similar to sort the nouns a little. [[User:Still This Guy|Still This Guy]] 01:06, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
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:I am against arbitrary categorization of these sorts of pages, and I don't think having a page with a lot of entries makes it any more difficult to read than anything else. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:14, 14 April 2010 (UTC)
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== Marzipan's Answering Machine 6 ==
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In [[Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 6.0]] Strong Bad says he is Dr. Professional and Marzipan has been diagnosed with serious problems. Couldn't those be considered nondescriptive nouns? --[[User:Happypasta|Happypasta]] 01:30, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

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[edit] Delete

wow. i do not think i haved ever seen something so stupid. delete this garbage. Seriously 11:51, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I think it's a good idea, but you'd need to find at least three or four instances to warrant a page about such a "Nondescript Subject". Thunderbird 23:51, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, Seriously. I think you can be a bit more polite than that. Has Matt? (talk) 23:52, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Unluckily, I have to agree with deleting it. It doesn't really help the wiki in Homestar information. Bluebry muffin 14:10, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Yeah. This is the Homestar Runner Wiki. If we wanted to list so much about grammar, we might as well create a separate wiki. teeeffoh! 22:19, 14 January 2006 (UTC)
Geez, what's with all the rudeness on this page? Anyway, I agree with Thunderbird; this is an interesting idea and it will work eventually, but I think it needs to happen more often before it gets a page. -Unknownwarrior33 03:32, 16 January 2006 (UTC)
Okay-I made this page, and would probably not care if it was deleted, but you don't have to go out with rudeness and horrible grammar/spelling/capitization. —Einstein runner (thorax.pngfile_icon.gifmail_icon.gif)
Me again. Someone edited the page and made one heck of a lot better. Thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you! —Einstein runner (thorax.pngfile_icon.gifmail_icon.gif)
No probalo! :) — Image:kskunk_fstandby.gif KieferSkunk (talk) — 19:10, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Over There

Actually "Over There" is also gag on "Over Gatlinburg." — 151.213.148.237 (Talk | contribs) 15:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC) (left unsigned)

[edit] Reinforcements

There's the Cheat Commando "Reinforcements". Does that qualify?

Yes. I added it, as he acts as reinforcements, but has no specific name. Retromaniac 16:46, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
Does anyone recall why it was removed? Bad Bad Guy 22:55, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
I was always under the impression that "Reinforcements" WAS his name--that way it was a hopelessly silly pun when the Commandos needed "reinforcements" and the guy NAMED Reinforcements showed up...as reinforcements. I dunno, just my two cents and my perception of the situation. Does anyone else think this might be the case, though? Lucentas 02:17, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
That's exactly what his gags are supposed to be like. Lots of nondescript nouns have common nouns for their actual names. Bad Bad Guy 02:41, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
Yeah, that's true. I guess I was just so used to thinking of it as an actual commando name that the fact that it is a somewhat nondescript noun slipped under the radar. Lucentas 03:51, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Other Possible Examples

A few more suggestions for Nondescript Nouns: In dullard, Homestar mentions "Popular Reality Show", and in other days he brags about his frag-count in "Online Gaming". Andyroid 01:31, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed that...Interesting thought. I'll put it up (with credit to you). —Einstein runner (thorax.pngfile_icon.gifmail_icon.gif) 22:09, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Good page, common joke

but...it needs a better title. May I throw out a few suggestions: "Nonspecific Nouns" would better cover the instances of common nouns being used as proper nouns, but the other "errors" (misused countable/uncountable nouns, lack of determiners/prepositions/etc...) aren't really covered there. Perhaps "Misused Common Nouns" or something like that. Just shooting for accuracy here.

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[edit] Songs?

What about songs with uber-generic titles? Like Secret Song and The Hold Music? --Fourth of Jay (Fireworks!) 00:37, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

The Hold Music is not a canon name. Secret Song, mebbe. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 00:55, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Perhaps, but what else would the title be? --Fourth of Jay (Fireworks!) 01:03, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
We don't know. "The Powers Of French Bread?" "After I Wash My Toes?" "With A Little Blob Of Mayo?" They're all possible, eh? Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 01:13, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
That's a little non-sequitur-ish, even for Homestar. I mean, how many H*R songs with known titles don't actually have the title or a derivative thereof in the lyrics? Only one I can think of offhand is rock opera. --Fourth of Jay (Fireworks!) 01:17, 20 June 2006 (UTC)
Nonetheless, it's speculation. Qermaq - (T/C) Image:Qermaqsigpic.png 01:20, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Homestar/Waiter

I think Date Nite should be listed either here or in Jumbled Words, but not both. It can't be an instance of two running gags at once--either Homestar meant to say his name was "Waiter" because he couldn't think of a better fake name, or he meant to say "My name is Homestar and I will be your waiter" but got confused and jumbled it around. What do y'all think? So makey outy 17:50, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Band Name

When I watched the toon, I thought those boys were asking people to help them write a band name, not conversing about a band called "band name." Does anyone agree with me or is it gonna stay? Bad Bad Guy 22:51, 22 September 2007 (UTC)

It's going to stay. --DorianGray 23:38, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
I agree, the fact that they say "she likes cloth" is a good band name, and the fact that the easter egg features a cd by she likes cloth with their heads on it. I think it's the one guy bugging the other guy about coming up with a band name. Removing. - Young Roy
No, they're talking about "band name" and then they hear it and are reminded of band names... It stays. — Defender1031*Talk 12:20, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Falling Asleep on the Couch Watching Football Bowl

I fail to find what is nondescript about that title, but does anyone still want me to return it? Please say why. Bad Bad Guy 15:57, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

It still sounds rather generic. --Trogga 19:56, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
Would you agree with me that it's not as vague as "place" or "a sport"? Bad Bad Guy 21:02, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
Could someone explain to me how it is generic? Bad Bad Guy 04:42, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Baloneyman: "The Sequel"

I'm not sure this is a nondescript noun in the same sense... it just sounds like bubs is tying to make it sound like it really is connected to a movie so it'll sell better. I could go either way on this one. — Defender1031*Talk 02:32, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, I thought the fact Homestar knew what movie it was just by "the sequel" made it count. BBG 06:19, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Page title

Nouns aren't descriptive or nondescript. Nouns are just people, places, or things. The name of a specific noun, on the other hand, can be descriptive or not, and just about everything on this page is a name. This article should be renamed Nondescript Names, and the companion article should be Overdescriptive Names. — It's dot com 05:02, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Makes sense to me — Defender1031*Talk 09:43, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
Or "Generic Names" would work.
Nope. Both the nondescript names and the overdescriptive names have a sense of genericness to them, the difference is whether they are descriptions that are overly specific, or overly general. — Defender1031*Talk 11:32, 2 March 2009 (UTC)
How about "vague noun descriptions" and "overdetailed noun descriptions"? StarFox 01:02, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
That last one, while more accurate, is a bit of a tongue tripper. I like Dot Com's suggestions. —Guard Duck talk 01:52, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Why must you people make things difficult? No one has given a reason why Dot com's suggestions wouldn't work, so why suggest anything else? — Defender1031*Talk 11:09, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
We could try "Understatements".I know it dosen't have anything to do with nouns but it's the best I've got for a title User:Wasd98
"Nondescript" doesn't mean "generic," and it doesn't mean "understated." It refers to something boring, everyday, or commonplace. I'm partial to "Generic Names." To be honest, the "Overdescriptive Nouns" page doesn't serve much of a purpose. Van Mundegaarde 03:16, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
This page should be renamed to Wiki Article and the other one renamed to Names and Phrases That Are Unnecessarily Long and Self Descriptive. {removes tongue from cheek} ... It's dot com's suggestions are good, definitely an improvement to use "Names" vs "Nouns". Something about the title "Overdescriptive" doesn't quite feel right to me, but I can't think of anything better. Maybe it should be two words, or hyphenated, since... well, overdescriptive isn't a word. 98.222.134.36 04:43, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

I know this discussion has been dead for a while, but what does everyone think of the name "Descriptive Phrases Treated as Names"? It's a bit long, but to me it sounds like the most accurate description of what's happening with this running gag: things have "names" that describe them rather than assigning them a name. Ingiald 18:50, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to suggest "Nouns with vague names" and "Nouns with unusually long names" StarFox 07:03, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree with StarFox. Nouns with vague names sounds better than Nondescript Nouns. It would confuse our younger readers (8 and below, maybe 10). I think it should be maybe, "Nouns With Vague Names" typed like that. Either way does not matter. User:doctorwho295 July 15, 2009

Except get rid of the "Nouns with" baggage. "Vague Names" or "Generic Names" would work just fine. (Aside: Our target audience is nowhere close to that young.) For the companion article, why not just "Long Names". We don't need to say that they're unusually long, because that's implied by the fact that the article exists in the first place. (A name that is of "usual" length is not notable.) — It's dot com 00:06, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Agreed. StarFox 00:48, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I think the name is just fine, albeit a little... not used in general society. What I mean is, not a lot of people use the word 'nondescript'. Either way I like it. Keep the old name -Espemon333 10:17 July 31, 2009 (UTC)(Whatever that means)

maybe bad descriptions because the words are said terribly

I propose "'The gist' nouns" because all the names are just straight to the point. For instance "The Robot" from the Children's book could have been called Xexorz (over) 9000 or something dedicated to the representation of a machine but the Brothers just decided to cut through the Bovine droppings and settled for "The Robot". The same goes for "that paintball place across the street" Insteaded of calling it Cardgage's Sporting Goods, office supplies, and other projectiles sales, they just said forget it and just called it something anybody could identify. Which brings another thought to light "Easy-to-deduce names" or "commonly thoughted names", or "John Doe nouns" or something to that effect since we are talking about vague descriptions to something that could otherwise be specified. — 108.82.38.66 (Talk | contribs) 07:47, 24 July 2013 (UTC) (left unsigned)

[edit] Cleanup

Anyone else think this page should be a bit easier to read? Maybe make categories like "Toons" and "Emails" or something similar to sort the nouns a little. Still This Guy 01:06, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

I am against arbitrary categorization of these sorts of pages, and I don't think having a page with a lot of entries makes it any more difficult to read than anything else. — Defender1031*Talk 01:14, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Marzipan's Answering Machine 6

In Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 6.0 Strong Bad says he is Dr. Professional and Marzipan has been diagnosed with serious problems. Couldn't those be considered nondescriptive nouns? --Happypasta 01:30, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

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