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(Good idea, but it isn't all under one word.)
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::::I think "X-Have" may be a better name. --[[User:NobleSkull|NobleSkull]] 19:49, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
::::I think "X-Have" may be a better name. --[[User:NobleSkull|NobleSkull]] 19:49, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::While it's an idea, "have" isn't the only word that is used, such as "make" and "take". {{User:StrongAwesome74/sig}} 19:54, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
:::::While it's an idea, "have" isn't the only word that is used, such as "make" and "take". {{User:StrongAwesome74/sig}} 19:54, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
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:::::::"Noun-Verb"? {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 04:58, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
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::::::::What if the page was just called "Hyphenated Words" and contained sub-categories for each word used. -have, -make, -take, etc. (Is "-get" used anywhere? I know "Cherry Get!" occurs in the sbemail redesign. It isn't hyphenated there, but is it anywhere else? It's a fairly similar concept at any rate.--[[Special:Contributions/128.163.75.124|128.163.75.124]] 12:38, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
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:::::::::"Cherry Get" is more just an example of [[deliberately poor English]], since it's a video game. You know, though, I kinda like both those titles suggested. Every example follows the format "noun-verb", and they are all hyphenated words— though of course, there are a lot of hyphenated words that aren't a part of this joke. And I don't think subcategories would be necessary; they would be too short. Anyway, I think I like Gfd's idea best. {{User:SRMX12/sig}} 15:40, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
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::::::::::I second the "Hyphenated Words" page. {{User:The thing/sig}} 04:42, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
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:::::::::::I like "Noun-Verb" better, because "hyphenated words" is too broad and could include any words that are hyphenated. This is a specific joke. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 08:00, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
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::::::::::::After giving it a bunch of thought, I'm really thinking we should rename this to Noun-Verb. It's more accurate&mdash; for one thing, it doesn't necessitate there physically being a hyphen there. Like on the [[Two More Eggs]] page, we can put "weird talk make", "wrong word say", and "grammar mouth unhave" as examples of this <small>(Parental Notice: Two More Eggs)</small>. {{User:SRMX12/sig}} 02:29, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
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:::::::::::::I found a Homestar Runner example that has no hyphen: [[Coach Z pukes in dude's toupee|pukemake]]. Do I add it and then we have to shift the page? [[Special:Contributions/99.48.86.26|99.48.86.26]] 01:31, 18 March 2017 (UTC)
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==The Pattern==
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Most of the entries on this page have a noun used directly before the standard (infinitive?) form of a verb. Mustache-have, sense-make, talk-say, et cetera. The recently contested Gunhaver entry is one of the exceptions, having a noun followed by another noun which happens to be derived from a verb. ("Edge-havery" has a similar makeup.) For this reason I'd argue that it (along with edge-havery) actually doesn't fit the page, not to mention that there are many common phrases of similar construction that aren't considered unusual, like deed holder, shoemaker, end user, freethinker, and so on. Gunhaver is a somewhat unusual phrase, but I think the reason for that isn't the grammatical makeup of the phrase, but the relatively rare use of the word "haver" to mean "one who has". {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 20:09, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
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:I agree. Also, I like your {{p|l=http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=User:DEIDATVM/sandbox&oldid=791507 Haver page draft}}, and support page-havery. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 21:25, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
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::I've been on the fence on this one, but I'm leaning in favor of removing those two examples for the reasons stated. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 00:42, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
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:::Yeah okay that’s pretty convincing. -[[Special:Contributions/166.137.14.63|166.137.14.63]] 16:00, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

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[edit] Two issues

  1. The name. I seriously doubt that anyone, be they an expert on H*R or not, would ever search for "Hyphen-have" when looking for a page like this. What better names could this article be known as?
  2. The appearances. At the moment, no older toons are listed, and I can't think of any appearances off the top of my head that are from older toons. This may sound silly, but is there a rule against every instance of a running gag being from newer toons? It's just that I have... something against articles about running gags that are exclusive to newer toons.

RickTommy (edits) 09:00, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

  1. The ability to search for a name is not the most important part of a name, but whether the name accurately covers the topic. The fact is, more often a page is going to be found by someone clicking on a link than searching for a specific page. That's not what a rename issue is about.
  2. No, there's no such rule. A running gag could turn up at any time. Onion Bubs is pretty recent, for example.
--DorianGray 09:08, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
I know the name's kinda bleh, but I couldn't think of anything that would fit it well enough. "Noun-Verb" is an idea, but that's just one thing I've thought of. StrongAwesome 19:38, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
I think "X-Have" may be a better name. --NobleSkull 19:49, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
While it's an idea, "have" isn't the only word that is used, such as "make" and "take". StrongAwesome 19:54, 24 November 2011 (UTC)
"Noun-Verb"? Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 04:58, 11 June 2016 (UTC)
What if the page was just called "Hyphenated Words" and contained sub-categories for each word used. -have, -make, -take, etc. (Is "-get" used anywhere? I know "Cherry Get!" occurs in the sbemail redesign. It isn't hyphenated there, but is it anywhere else? It's a fairly similar concept at any rate.--128.163.75.124 12:38, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
"Cherry Get" is more just an example of deliberately poor English, since it's a video game. You know, though, I kinda like both those titles suggested. Every example follows the format "noun-verb", and they are all hyphenated words— though of course, there are a lot of hyphenated words that aren't a part of this joke. And I don't think subcategories would be necessary; they would be too short. Anyway, I think I like Gfd's idea best. Lira (talk) 15:40, 16 June 2016 (UTC)
I second the "Hyphenated Words" page. TheThin 04:42, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
I like "Noun-Verb" better, because "hyphenated words" is too broad and could include any words that are hyphenated. This is a specific joke. — Defender1031*Talk 08:00, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
After giving it a bunch of thought, I'm really thinking we should rename this to Noun-Verb. It's more accurate— for one thing, it doesn't necessitate there physically being a hyphen there. Like on the Two More Eggs page, we can put "weird talk make", "wrong word say", and "grammar mouth unhave" as examples of this (Parental Notice: Two More Eggs). Lira (talk) 02:29, 2 December 2016 (UTC)
I found a Homestar Runner example that has no hyphen: pukemake. Do I add it and then we have to shift the page? 99.48.86.26 01:31, 18 March 2017 (UTC)

[edit] The Pattern

Most of the entries on this page have a noun used directly before the standard (infinitive?) form of a verb. Mustache-have, sense-make, talk-say, et cetera. The recently contested Gunhaver entry is one of the exceptions, having a noun followed by another noun which happens to be derived from a verb. ("Edge-havery" has a similar makeup.) For this reason I'd argue that it (along with edge-havery) actually doesn't fit the page, not to mention that there are many common phrases of similar construction that aren't considered unusual, like deed holder, shoemaker, end user, freethinker, and so on. Gunhaver is a somewhat unusual phrase, but I think the reason for that isn't the grammatical makeup of the phrase, but the relatively rare use of the word "haver" to mean "one who has". DEI DAT VMdatvm center\super contra 20:09, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

I agree. Also, I like your Haver page draft, and support page-havery. Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 21:25, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
I've been on the fence on this one, but I'm leaning in favor of removing those two examples for the reasons stated. --Jay stuck at home (Talk) 00:42, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Yeah okay that’s pretty convincing. -166.137.14.63 16:00, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
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