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::I think the problem here is people are assuming that the mathematical operations being used are defined in the "normal" way, and that phrases such as "My name is Tenerence Love" can be treated as a variable, or a value in some set of numbers. While I think [[TBC]] were just being silly, if anyone were to seriously attempt to analyze these quasi-mathematical statements it'd probably be wiser to interpret them using some other definition for the operations. 1+1 does not always equal 2. Addition with real numbers is defined differently than it is for matrices, or in an abelian group defined over an elliptic curve. [[Wikipedia:Abstract_algebra]] is a good place to start if you really want to damage your ability to see mathematics the same way ever again. -- [[User:Laser-Grilled Crab & Cheese Sandwich|LGC&CS]] 00:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
::I think the problem here is people are assuming that the mathematical operations being used are defined in the "normal" way, and that phrases such as "My name is Tenerence Love" can be treated as a variable, or a value in some set of numbers. While I think [[TBC]] were just being silly, if anyone were to seriously attempt to analyze these quasi-mathematical statements it'd probably be wiser to interpret them using some other definition for the operations. 1+1 does not always equal 2. Addition with real numbers is defined differently than it is for matrices, or in an abelian group defined over an elliptic curve. [[Wikipedia:Abstract_algebra]] is a good place to start if you really want to damage your ability to see mathematics the same way ever again. -- [[User:Laser-Grilled Crab & Cheese Sandwich|LGC&CS]] 00:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::hmm... but there isn't really such a thing as dividing matricies. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:27, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
:::hmm... but there isn't really such a thing as dividing matricies. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:27, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
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::::Inverse matrices. Division in the set of reals is simply multiplication by the inverse of the divisor <math>(\tfrac{3}{4} = 3 * 4^{-1})</math>. It's a little harder to find the inverse of a matrix than it is in simple algebra, but that's the closest thing to division in matrix math. Not all operations are defined for all sets anyway. That was partially my point. My other point was that mathematical operations have been defined in a number of ways not familiar to most people, and can be freely redefined (especially since people made it all up in the first place). In this case, only [[Tenerence Love]] could really tell us what this was supposed to mean. And in reality, it was most likely just TBC being silly. I don't think either of them has advanced knowledge of math, given that Mike studied Fine Arts, and Matt went to film school. Tenerence Love's probably not a mathematician either, neglecting the fact that he doesn't actually exist beyond H*R. -- [[User:Laser-Grilled Crab & Cheese Sandwich|LGC&amp;CS]] 09:40, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I was value-ing this, and here's what I came up with: 5 plus five (ten) divided by five is three off five. is my name is tenerence love 5? oh, wait, I just figured out. that's not hor remainders workI was value-ing this, and here's what I came up with: 5 plus five (ten) divided by five is three off five. is my name is tenerence love 5? oh, wait, I just figured out. that's not how remainders work [[User:Sompm|Sompm]]
I was value-ing this, and here's what I came up with: 5 plus five (ten) divided by five is three off five. is my name is tenerence love 5? oh, wait, I just figured out. that's not hor remainders workI was value-ing this, and here's what I came up with: 5 plus five (ten) divided by five is three off five. is my name is tenerence love 5? oh, wait, I just figured out. that's not how remainders work [[User:Sompm|Sompm]]

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Coach Z Doesn't Sound Like Himself

Hey!!! did any of you notice that coach z doesnt sound like himself until the rap— 67.170.119.144 (Talk | contribs) 0:45:18, 2007-11-13 (left unsigned)

That because it was a powered by the cheat cartoon.— 68.210.53.58 (Talk | contribs) 0:53:04, 2007-11-12 (left unsigned)
The Cheat is doing the voices.— 75.72.21.221 (Talk | contribs) 0:53:29, 2007-11-12 (left unsigned)
That would be great... I mean Mike. He tends to do that for those Powered by The Cheat thingies. But perhaps it should be mentioned in the transcript when it's a PBTC voice and when it's Coach Z's voice. -- LGC&CS 01:32, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
How should it be noted, however? It doesn't look like there is any precedent for dialog in a PBTC voice and then a musical piece with the regular voice. Should {PBTC} noted in front of each line, or note in the description? wbwolf (t | ed) 14:57, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
I'd support putting "Powered by the Cheat" or something tothat effect in front of everyone's name until the song starts. The Cheat made an intro on his own, and then made a video to a previously recorded R-A-P S-O-N-G. That's my view of it, at least. 132.161.138.10 20:35, 13 November 2007 (UTC) (I used to have an accoun, but I guess if you use it too infrequently it's DELETED? That's happened to me twice.)

Dr. Dre Reference

I'm glad to see the Dr. Dre "reference" was deleted. I'm sorry I spent the time adding links. Besides that it's a rap song (and rap songs are all alike, right?) I don't see the similarity. And I'm certainly not comfortable with the links because of the profanity in the Wikipedia articles. OptimisticFool 02:14, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm unfamiliar with the song, so I have no clue if there's any hidden references to it in this toon. I removed it because... well, I think facts that say "there is a reference to whatever" without saying what, exactly, the reference *is*, are essentially useless. They more or less expect you to *know*, which not everyone does. -YKHi. I'm Ayjo! 02:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect reference for Mix Tape

I think the fun fact is grabbing the wrong part of the Wikipedia entry for "mix tape." This 'toon is definitely referring to the Hip Hop definition of mix tape, more like a demo than a home-made sample of other people's tracks.

From wikipedia: "Often each track on a promotional hip hop mixtape will feature the same artist, thus making it more difficult to differentiate from the definition of a standard album. However, these mixtapes will usually have much lower production values than a studio album (such as housing "Demo" versions of tracks, or simply un-mastered/un-mixed versions of the tracks), and contain numerous collaborations, remixes, freestyles and voice-overs, often arranged in a specific flowing fashion, much like retail albums are." --24.188.228.33 05:10, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

New Math

  • "My name is Tenerence Love" actually equals TenerenceLove + 1 by order of operations, not TenerenceLoveremainder3 as stated.
    • Additionally, if the equation is interpreted as (MynameisTenerenceLove + MyNameisTenerenceLove) / MynameisTenerenceLove, it should equal two, by factoring.

...so, we're debating the mathematical formula behind what're basically nonsensical lyrics? As I said in the edit summary when I removed these, this seems to be talk page material and nothing more. Anyone? -YKHi. I'm Ayjo! 05:12, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I was about to say the same thing. They're FUN facts, people. Who honestly cares whether or not it would be remainder three or the square root of piemonade???? I vote DELORTED!!-- Nevadie 05:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC) Edit: oh, it already was delorted. Too little too late.

Keep it civil. I actually found this very interesting and worked it out for myself. MyNameIsTenerenceLove = –1 if you perform the addition before the division; otherwise it is undefined. — It's dot com 06:03, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I'm not saying it's not *true* or anything... I think it's great talk page material, but trying to analyze a nonsensical "math problem" in a comical rap song seems... a bit odd, IMO. -YKHi. I'm Ayjo! 07:32, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Hmm... I guess I hear the maths differently to you guys... I hear it as (abbreviating MyNameIsTenerenceLove as x for readability): \frac{x+x}x = x\mbox{ r}3, that is: \frac{x+x}x = x + \frac 3 x which solves to x=1 \plusmn \sqrt 2 i\,. Of course, this has problems, as the "remainder" thingy usually only makes sense when you're dealing with integers, not complex numbers... but it's a reasonable extension. Anyways, the order-of-operations reading, x+\frac x x=x\mbox{ r}3, makes even less sense, since the division has to be the last step for the remainder thing to make sense. Also, I'm with YK here... precedent is that pointless mathematical overanalysis, however fun, belongs on the talk page. --phlip TC 07:52, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
Glad to see I'm not the only one who heard that and thought of a quadratic equation. I'm tempted to claim this is an IR to Virus ("Did the quadratic formula explode?" -SB) but that's... um... unlikely. At best. It could also be a nod to the old Bogus Mathematical Theorems, but I doubt that as well. Anyway, for the record, even though it makes no sense to state the equation with a remainder using the order of operations reading, you can still solve it for MyNameIsTenerenceLove. It's 3. Nightsong81 21:21, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

To anyone who wants this in the article: Y'all buscuitheads, you remind me of A Beautiful Mind — "finding" meaning in the meaningless. Rondleman, you crack me up. Crack! Me! Up! (P.S. I hated strongly disliked A Beautiful Mind.) Whew, I get ornery at 1:00 in the morning! I do have to say, "the square root of piemonade" made me laugh. Thanks for that, Nevadie. OptimisticFool 08:13, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

It's just a parody of the fact that he said "plus" in the second line, which can mean adding in the grammatical sense or in the mathematical sense. It's called poetic license. Awexome 20:16, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Awexome. Poetic license and all that. Oh, and dot com, I wasn't being uncivil. Only sarcastic.-- Nevadie 22:00, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

"Finding meaning in the meaningless"? Isn't that the whole point of this wiki? --Trogga 00:11, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

The equation is impossible, given the "remainder 3" part that you all seem to be ignoring, order of operations, there's no way to have a remainder three in such a case, and order given, there's no remainder at all. This is not a real equation, it's impossible to solve, and we shouldn't even try. — Defender1031*Talk 00:15, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
The equation, performed in the stated order, is perfectly solvable if you think of it as a quadratic equation and treat "MyNameIsTeneranceLove" as a variable (say, X). The "remainder 3" would then be "X remainder 3," which is just another way of saying "X plus 3 over X." Phlip explained this quite adequately. If you take the order of operations into account, the equation is even easier to solve. It's first year algebra, and X ends up equaling 3. Sompm's HS math teacher explains this one below, and it's pointed out (sans explanation) above. The fact that it really makes no sense to use a remainder in this kind of equation, and that you wouldn't actually encounter such a problem (either version) in real life, does not make it "impossible to solve." We've solved it. Both versions. Several times. Nightsong81 04:46, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I think the problem here is people are assuming that the mathematical operations being used are defined in the "normal" way, and that phrases such as "My name is Tenerence Love" can be treated as a variable, or a value in some set of numbers. While I think TBC were just being silly, if anyone were to seriously attempt to analyze these quasi-mathematical statements it'd probably be wiser to interpret them using some other definition for the operations. 1+1 does not always equal 2. Addition with real numbers is defined differently than it is for matrices, or in an abelian group defined over an elliptic curve. Wikipedia:Abstract_algebra is a good place to start if you really want to damage your ability to see mathematics the same way ever again. -- LGC&CS 00:24, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
hmm... but there isn't really such a thing as dividing matricies. — Defender1031*Talk 00:27, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Inverse matrices. Division in the set of reals is simply multiplication by the inverse of the divisor (\tfrac{3}{4} = 3 * 4^{-1}). It's a little harder to find the inverse of a matrix than it is in simple algebra, but that's the closest thing to division in matrix math. Not all operations are defined for all sets anyway. That was partially my point. My other point was that mathematical operations have been defined in a number of ways not familiar to most people, and can be freely redefined (especially since people made it all up in the first place). In this case, only Tenerence Love could really tell us what this was supposed to mean. And in reality, it was most likely just TBC being silly. I don't think either of them has advanced knowledge of math, given that Mike studied Fine Arts, and Matt went to film school. Tenerence Love's probably not a mathematician either, neglecting the fact that he doesn't actually exist beyond H*R. -- LGC&CS 09:40, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I was value-ing this, and here's what I came up with: 5 plus five (ten) divided by five is three off five. is my name is tenerence love 5? oh, wait, I just figured out. that's not hor remainders workI was value-ing this, and here's what I came up with: 5 plus five (ten) divided by five is three off five. is my name is tenerence love 5? oh, wait, I just figured out. that's not how remainders work Sompm

I ran it by my highshool math teacher mother, and we came up with this: according to the order of oprations, we divide x by x first, to get one, so it's x+1 = xR3, and because the fraction of the division is the remainder over the denominator so it's x+1=x+3/x. if x is 3, the x+1=x+1. in short, "my name is tenerence love" is 3. Sompm 02:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Anony ties lowercase i's in: Dagron 02:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC) "*Solving (Tenerence Love + Tenerence Love)/Tenerence Love = Tenerence Love remainder 3 yields Tenerence Love = 1+i√2 or 1-i√2. This is another instance of lowercase i's."

but didn't he say "equals tenayeaaarence love!"?? so it's a whole different integer! x+x/x=YR3! no problems! Sompm

An instance of Lowercase i's. From the solution to a fake math problem. That may well be the best stretch ever. Even better than the Iron Sheik/Iron Cheek/Buns of Steel connection and the Eggs/Organic Batteries/"Eggs Not A Fruit" connection. I love it. (Ok, ok, forgive the blatant sarcasm, but this is just too funny. =P) -YKHi. I'm Ayjo! 03:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

warsh

I'm not sure if anyone cares, and I'm sure it doesn't belong in the article anywhere, but I thought it might be worth mentioning that in some areas of Eastern Canada, especially PEI, pronouncing the word "wash" as "warsh" is actually part of a regional accent. I used to live in that region, and almost nobody my age ever said it like that, but a lot of us had parents who did. Also common around there is saying "slippy" instead of "slippery", and saying the word "barrel" in such a way that it sort of rhymes with "Carl". - 24.71.223.142 05:24, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Warsh is also a common pronunciation of wash in Kentucky and some areas further south. Unusual that it makes the long leap up to Canada and skips over everything in between. Maktaka 09:39, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
As interesting as that is, I don't think it has anything to do with Coach Z's pronounciation of the word. He simply pronounces all words like that, and the majority of them do not sound similar to any other accent in any region. (For example, Port = Putt. What?) —Guard Duck talk 10:11, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
If I recall, Coach Z was originally intended to have a sort of US midlands accent that quickly began to devolve and get weird, until it's really just replacing some sounds with "or" and "ar" sounds. Now it doesn't really resemble any sort of language at all. --DorianGray 04:55, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
My grandma (born and raised in Minnesota) has always said "warsh" .. I'll bet it's a reference to her! Will someone please add this to the article: "Wash" being spelled as "warsh" is a reference to OptimisticFool's grandma who has always pronounced it that way." By the way, it's not Coach Z's pronunciation we should be talking about here; The Cheat is responsible for the word "warsh" .. not Coach Z. OptimisticFool 05:01, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Wash was also spelled and pronounced as "worsh" in 20X6 vs. 1936. Perhaps it's a referance to that too! Personally, I feel it's a TTAOT. —Guard Duck talk 05:13, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Anthropomorphic Egg

When I saw the egg chasing after Peacy P's limo/waffle house, my first thought was that it was supposed to be one of the villains from Data East's Burgertime, but a quick check of the box art shows that the egg didn't wear a domino mask as portrayed here. Is this a Burgertime reference despite the cosmetic difference, or is the significance of the egg relevant to something else? Nekouken

Dude, it's breakfast, and it's walking. Some things in these cartoons are just silly for the sake of silly, not everything is a reference to something and/or has a hidden meaning. - 24.71.223.142 05:57, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Nate Dogg

I believe that Tenerence Love is 'sposed to sound like Nate Dogg. And also "It don't stop" is something that alot of rappers (especially Snoop Dogg) says. Marvelrulez 07:02, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Tenerence Love wearing a donut reminded me of Luther Vandross and his infamous diet, but I don't necessarily think that's a reference, either. Danny Lilithborne 13:17, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Rap Song Visuals

Someone needs to write a separate article for the video's visuals (I don't know if I have time to do it) Bad Bad Guy 14:18, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Fast Food Freestyle

This supposed RWR ("Peacey P places an order for food much like in the video "Fast Food Freestyle" on Youtube.") needs some discussing, methinks. Pretty funny video, and similar, but sometimes there's an overlap in ideas that TBC may think are original but that have been done before. Is it a reference? OptimisticFool 15:56, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I'd have to say TTATOT. It's just another random thing they do. Ordering breakfast in the middle of a rap song.-- Nevadie 21:58, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Peacey P

...is the abbreviation PCP, which can mean a lot of things ([1]), but probably Phencyclidine. This would make it another drug reference. --91.97.14.14 16:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

See his character page. Awexome 18:27, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Coach Z's accessories

If you may notice, Coach Z's hat and Z change during the toon. He can't say job. Don't say jorb 101 Seriously, he can't say job!

That's because The Chort Cheat isn't a very good Flash animator. -YKHi. I'm Ayjo! 01:09, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

I don't even know who's song this is

Is that part a reference to the reputation of rap songs sampling other songs without permission? Awexome 20:19, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

I took it as him admitting that he works with so many other rappers that he can't even keep track of whose song he's in at the moment.Some kind of scientist 01:52, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
What about the "I thought I made that abundantly clear!"? Awexome 03:32, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Yes Yes, Yall

reference to the Will Smith song? most likely a coincidence, but i immediately thought of the Will Smith song Yes, Yes Yall (i think that's what it's called). whatchyall think? --EricTheDerek 20:22, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

The end distortion

When the picture is distorted at the end, the singers sound nauseated. I don't remember this originally. Awexome 03:31, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Sterrance in background of last section?

Take a look at the last section of the rap song when Tenerance Love is flying by on a doughnut. What is that pink thing on the right? It vaguely reminds me of Sterrance from animal but it's a bit off. Any ideas? --Spoom 04:18, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Hated to remove this from the page, but it's actually the running Egg from the breakfast. Y'all biscuitheads! -- → ☮y P Y'all biscuitheads! 04:44, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


Waffle House

Does the explaination of what Waffle House is (Since it's where Peacey orders breakfast, though named differently) seem worth including on the page? Also, can anyone tell what name is scribbled on the top of his order? → ☮y P Y'all biscuitheads! 04:46, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

The name looks to be "_est Chef" with the blank being unreadable (to me) but I assume it's "Best Chef". Nothing there, I guess. Interesting though that "Tos" for "Toast" is there, when previously it was "Toz" for "Toes". → ☮y P Y'all biscuitheads! 04:53, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Noteworthy "pseudo-goofs?"

I'm surprised no one's made mention of a few "pseudo-goofs":

  • At the words "come to do his landry," Coach Z briefly appears to have two left forearms.
  • After Coach Z asks if he can record on new album, Peacey-P's body clearly disconnects from his head.
  • Coach Z's left eye briefly pops out of his head at the words "I thought I made that abundantly clear!"
  • When singing, Tenerance Love's moustache and goatee occasionally overlap his microphone.

These are obviously not honest goofs, but they stand out as exceptional even considering The Cheat's usual two-years-old-boy style. Worth adding to "Remarks?" Catgirl 05:17, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

They *have* been mentioned, repeatedly. They just keep getting removed, because we don't point out The Cheat's "goofs". The "feauring" thing is an exception because that appears to be an honest typo. It's correct the other two times, and Teh C doesn't have a history of typoes or misspellings. -YKHi. I'm Ayjo! 05:56, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I thought we normally put PbTC "goofs" under Remarks. I know for a fact we've done it before (in animal, for example). --DorianGray 05:58, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Granted I just skimmed it, but I didn't see any PbTC "goofs" listed in the Remarks section of animal. You sure that's the one meant? -YKHi. I'm Ayjo! 06:02, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I know there was something in there at one point... About how objects pass overtop the christmas lights, but under the fanglyfish... --DorianGray 06:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
I feel that these pseudo-goofs do deserve some merit. I didn't see the first and third pseudo-goofs, and I found them interesting. I feel they should go under the "remarks" section. —Guard Duck talk 06:29, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
Agreed, they probably should go *somewhere* in the fun facts, but given the sheer number of them, it seems like they'd just clutter the Remarks section... Perhaps a new subsection for PbTC toons? -YKHi. I'm Ayjo! 06:37, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
That sounds good. Maybe it could be a subsection of goofs. (Call it PbTC goofs or something). —Guard Duck talk 06:48, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

"I'm the best guest rapper in the music biz" visual

I noticed that visual where Peacey P is rapping in front of his golden record, all but his afro is reflected.

Another psuedo-goof? (See above). —Guard Duck talk 07:05, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
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