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:::::: The movie you'll need to host somewhere and then provide a link to it. I'd try contacting who ever it is that hosts the mirrors of the old versions of the flash files that are nolonger found on H*R.com such as the old menus. -- [[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] 12:28, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
:::::: The movie you'll need to host somewhere and then provide a link to it. I'd try contacting who ever it is that hosts the mirrors of the old versions of the flash files that are nolonger found on H*R.com such as the old menus. -- [[User:Nidonocu|Nidonocu]] 12:28, 21 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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== Mr. Incredible vs. Trogdor/Progrum? ==
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== Mr. Incredible vs. Trogdor ==
Twice now, I've discovered that people have added that "The Incredibles" makes a reference to Peasant's Quest, when Mirage calls Mr. Incredible's outfit "rather dashing". Such a thing is hideously unlikely. The voices for animated movies are often recorded MONTHS before the movie is actually completed (so the animation can be synched with the voices - it's much more difficult to do it the other way around). The release of The Incredibles (November 5, 2004) and Peasant's Quest (August 2, 2004) were too close. Anyway, "rather dashing" is a semi-common phrase that did not originate with Peasant's Quest. Without something a little more solid connecting the two, there is no reason to believe that the line was added because of Homestar Runner. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 19:22, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Twice now, I've discovered that people have added that "The Incredibles" makes a reference to Peasant's Quest, when Mirage calls Mr. Incredible's outfit "rather dashing". Such a thing is hideously unlikely. The voices for animated movies are often recorded MONTHS before the movie is actually completed (so the animation can be synched with the voices - it's much more difficult to do it the other way around). The release of The Incredibles (November 5, 2004) and Peasant's Quest (August 2, 2004) were too close. Anyway, "rather dashing" is a semi-common phrase that did not originate with Peasant's Quest. Without something a little more solid connecting the two, there is no reason to believe that the line was added because of Homestar Runner. --[[User:Jay|Jay]] 19:22, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)
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:The phrase is why he's called Rather Dashing. "You are Rather Dashing. Your cottage" etc.
:The phrase is why he's called Rather Dashing. "You are Rather Dashing. Your cottage" etc.
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Also In The Pixar Story (Found On WALL-E 2- and 3-Disc Sets) John Lasseter says "Progrum" somewhere around the first few minutes
 
== Road Waffles ==
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I founded one [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5CmqC1E-Ag&feature=related]] [[User:TwO 2 bReAdS iN a BiScUt]]
I founded one [[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5CmqC1E-Ag&feature=related]] [[User:TwO 2 bReAdS iN a BiScUt]]
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What part of [[Nintendo#Miscellaneous|HOOKED UP]] don't you understand [[User:TwO 2 bReAdS iN a BiScUt]]
 
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== MUGEN, Boy's Life, and Wii Handbook ==
 
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I found some Homestar References! Here they are:
 
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*MUGEN: Stinkoman 20X6 was made for MUGEN! Also, [http://area91.multiverseworks.com/ this guy] is making Homsar for MUGEN.
 
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*Boy's Life: SBCG4AP was talked about in the Game Briefs section.
 
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*Wii Handbook 2009 (made by Nintendo Power): There was a Section in it about SBCG4AP.
 
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That's all! --[[Special:Contributions/66.205.143.105|66.205.143.105]] 03:26, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 
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Look THOSE ARE (could be) NOT REFERNCES I HEARD THERE WAS STINKOMAN FOR MUGEN [[User:TwO 2 bReAdS iN a BiScUt]]
 
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          PS:If its on wii handbook its NOT A REFERENCE [[User:TwO 2 bReAdS iN a BiScUt|Same Guy]]
 
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== Where Would This Go? ==
 
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In the book Transformers Animated: The Allspark Almanac, there's a reference to Drive-Thru, as made in an interstital in the book. As it references Bee in the City from the '08 Botcon (which is mentioned in the Other category), the breif "character" description for the drive-thru speaker is "Pour gravel on your stump, ma'am". While the text page is very small, I was able to recognise it, but I just had no idea where to categorize it. I'd be glad if I could get some help! --[[User:ZootyCutie|ZootyCutie]] 02:00, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 
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:Since we don't have Book Sightings page, you can put it in [[Other Sightings]]. {{User:Elcool/sig}} 05:04, 15 December 2009 (UTC)
 
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I was wondering where this should go. The person who makes Yugioh Abridged has a Let's Play he does in character as characters from the series. At one point, he is checking email on an old computer and says he feels like Strong Bad. Does this go with the Yugioh Abridged part of the Amimations subpage? On the Other subpage? Somewhere else? [[User:SkyHeartStar13|SkyHeartStar13]] 01:21, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 
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:The Yu-Gi-Oh Abridged part of the Animations subpage. - {{User:Catjaz63/sig}} 01:48, 25 July 2015 (UTC)
 
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== Twofold Sightings Bloat ==
 
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So this has bothered me for several years now. It seems to me that the sightings pages are get bloated with information that nobody particularly wants to read. As such, these pages are mostly ignored by most editors, and as such, the problem gets compounded due to further lack of quality control. The problem is twofold as i see it. First, far too often I see people put "sightings" that are things with as much substance as "this character in this episode of this TV show was bored and started counted the ceiling tiles in the classroom, similar to how [[Bubs]] was counting bricks in [[boring (really)]]." Basically, things that we wouldn't call a real-world reference if it was going the other way, but they're allowed on these pages because we have [[the facts|zero. Quality. Control.]] Second, all too often I see people add sightings of very unprofessional, made-by-a-12-year-old-in-his-bedroom productions, such as some kid who has a youtube channel dedicated to his own HR fanstuff. I'd even speculate that very often, if not almost always, these types of "sightings" are added by the people who made them in the first place. Now, i'm not saying that there is no content on these pages that's worth keeping, which are real references that appear in works with at least SOME semblance of professionalism, but I feel like those get drowned out by all the not-really references and all the unprofessional self-promoting.
 
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So the question becomes what to do about it. First, I suggest holding "references" to the same standard that we hold them on our toon pages. Second, I suggest setting some ground rules for what quality of work we're willing to accept. Works that are nationally published, such as TV serials, full-length movies, newspaper comics, books, etc. should certainly be allowed. ''Successful, popular'' webcomics, animations, or youtube series which are not solely dedicated to being homestar knock-offs, should be allowed as well IMO. Things like xkcd, or VG Cats would also be popular enough to include IMO. "Hollerin' Jimmy's make-your-own-webcomic-that-you-give-up-on-after-two-weeks-and-always-[[web comics|MS-Paint-your-way-to-a-non-punchline]]-anyway" type productions should be ignored. Thoughts? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:06, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 
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:Heh... Every once in a while someone steps forward and suggest doing ''something'' about these pages - Reorganizing, trimming, splitting, moving, deleting... At some point I tried to prove that anyone can plug his own comic with this page. Me and the sysop Thunderbird wrote and drew our own stupid comic, got a free wiki hosting site, and put a link in here to prove our point. Needless to say, it stayed there for a good amount of time until the wiki site died when they moved the domain or something and I just removed the entry. (You can see the stupid comics [http://elcool.deviantart.com/gallery/#_search/thundercomics in my gallery]. They are awful). So anyways, best of luck to you. What ever you want to do with this mess of articles, go for it. I support. {{User:Elcool/sig}} 21:28, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 
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::They actually ARE really funny in the context of being purposely awful to prove a point... I laughed... [[from work|Okay, back to the, back to the discussion. Let's talk about dorsal cleanup.]] {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:36, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
 
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== Nerdfighting ==
 
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In the unfinished Nerdfighter theme song one of the lines Hank Green Suggested was "Just meet my Shivan Dragon and get '''Burninated'''" It is an obvious reference to Trogdor there is even a page on the Brotherhood 2.0 wiki! Link for proof:http://www.wiki.brotherhood2.com/index.php?title=Trogdor_the_Burninator I'm wondering where should this go, if it should be put up?--[[Special:Contributions/76.101.152.183|76.101.152.183]] 04:45, 28 December 2009 (UTC)
 
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== Cleverbot ==
 
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if you type is it hard to type with boxing gloves on it says strong bod hates that question
 
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: And if you type like this in a Strong Bad Email, you get made fun of. Anyway, I'm not getting a repro on this one. Can you get more specific? --{{User:Jay/sig}} 21:37, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
 
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::Cleverbot is just a regurgitation machine with a randomizer and very little other AI. So you're not going to get the same result twice, but you're also not going to get anything intelligent most of the time. Turing test indeed! {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 11:25, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 
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== Question'd! ==
 
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:''Moved from [[Talk:-'d]]''
 
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I don't know if this is the right place to ask this, but if someone uses this in another work, how would we know whether it counts as a [[Sightings|sighting]]? This suffix existed before ''Teen Girl Squad'', so it seems possible some people would use it with no intention of referencing the comic. {{User:Bad Bad Guy/sig}} 05:51, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
 
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== Organization and criteria for inclusion ==
 
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The quality of the sightings pages as a whole is something that has bugged me for a long time, so I figured it may as well get brought up now while there's some attention on sightings. The sightings pages are full of sightings in obscure webcomics and random youtube channels, (often added by the creators themselves trying to draw attention to their crappy ms-painted non-punchline not funny pixel comics), interspersed with the very occasional reference made by an actual famous work. Frankly, these pages are just not very interesting due to the fact that they're cluttered up with obscure garbage. I would be far more interested to see these pages if they ONLY listed things which were at least a minimum level of well-known.
 
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Now, the tricky part is defining an OBJECTIVE measuring stick for what counts as "famous enough". I can think of things like "has its own wikipedia article" or "has at least Xty thousand subscribers on youtube" or "is ranked among the top X thousand websites", things like that, but those would need to be fleshed out. We may also want to consider not getting rid of the non-famous sightings entirely but having them on a separate page (though I do lean toward not having obscure crap here).
 
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As a side point, I also wonder whether sightings such as "some guy walking past in the background of some news broadcast was wearing a Homestar shirt" should be included either, or whether we should only deliberate references made by the creators of whatever work the sighting occurs in (with a lenient definition, such that it WOULD count if, say, a talk show host or guest is wearing a homestar shirt).
 
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Finally, if we decide to limit the scope like this, it'll require some work to go through and clean these up, and we may not have the userbase necessary to do so anymore, but it's at least worth discussing.
 
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Thoughts? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:14, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 
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:As an admitted obscure obscure web-comic haver, I agree there needs to be a trimming. I think we should start with removing ones that are not deliberate Homestar Runner references, either obvious by themselves or have the creators say "that's a Homestar Runner joke for all my Dog Food Ganstas". The Big Bang Theory Moth Mouth one for example seems dubious.
 
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:As for measures of fame, I don't think Wikipedia is a good measure as it can also be edited by anyone (in theory at least). "Yi-Gi-Oh Abridged: According to Wikipedia, we don't exist." Rankings sites would be better but are still subject to the similar problems what with voting influences. I'd lean towards webcomics that have been around for a certain number of years or have a certain number of strips so that way at least that trims out the ones that begun, made one Trogdor joke and died when the creator went back to college. [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] 23:28, 18 September 2017 (UTC)
 
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::We should treat sightings like we treat real-world references, and only include them if we're ''sure'' it's a reference. There are tons of sightings here that I'm sure would be deleted on sight if they were added as a real-world reference in a toon page. (-'d, for example, shouldn't ''always'' count, as BBG said in the above topic.)
 
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::Officially published works (movies and books, for example) should definitely be here, as well as ''well-known'' web comics, websites, etc. Well-known as in, if you approached a certain number of people on the street and asked them if they knew of some website (that would be pretty creepy), some of them might say yes. But if you went around to everyone on Earth (that would be impressive) and asked if they knew of this 12-year-old's crayon comics on his neverly-updated blog, maybe 1 or 2 people would say yes. These are the things that shouldn't be here. If something was added here by the person who created it, it should be removed. Even if that person is sure that they're very popular, they should still wait for someone ''else'' to add it, since that usually means the work is kind of well-known. Perhaps we could only include things that have a certain number of views per day/year/time.
 
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::As for people who just happen to be in the background wearing a Homestar shirt, I definitely think they should be included. I find these things interesting, and if I see someone in, say, a documentary wearing a H*R shirt (that happened once), I'd want it to be noted somewhere. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 06:24, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 
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:::Maybe T-Shirts should have their own sightings category as while notable it is quite different from having a character make a Homestar Runner reference. Also, I think Print comics (Batman ect) and Webcomics (XKCD and the like) should be split IMO as even though they're similar on the reader end one is the result of stuff passing like 17 editors and the other is subject to the 90% is crap rule of the net. [[User:Guybrush20X6|Guybrush20X6]] 09:06, 19 September 2017 (UTC)
 
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::::I think there needs to be a consistent place for webcomic and web animation entries. Some of them are in [[Comic Sightings]] or [[Animation Sightings]], respectively, while others are in [[Website Sightings]] (and some are listed in both even). Also, I find it a bit confusing how sightings in TV animation are placed in [[Television Sightings]] with Animation Sightings seemingly consisting exclusively of web animation. I'd support having [[Webcomic Sightings]] split off from print Comic Sightings and having Animation Sightings list TV animation (and possibly animated film if a film ever references Homestar), with [[Web Animation Sightings]] listing web animation.<br /><br />On Website Sightings and Animation Sightings there are entries for websites, like deviantART and YouTube, where any user can upload content. I feel like these entries are overly broad and should be removed, with any possibly notable item being organized under the user/channel or series name. Also, I'm not sure [[Skins Sightings]] is needed. All of them seem to be user-created (i.e., not created by whoever made the program/game the skin was made for, and even if they were, it could be listed under "Games" or "Other" as appropriate) and it seems odd that "Skins" is a separate category on the level of Music, TV and Games. {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 13:31, 21 September 2017 (UTC)
 
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:::::I agree with the idea of seperate pages for T-Shirt Sightings, Webcomic Sightings, and Web Animation Sightings. Also, deviantART, YouTube, etc. probably shouldn't be here (except notable appearances, such as popular YouTube channels), and the Skins page seems pretty much useless. It should probably be deleted. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 04:57, 23 September 2017 (UTC)
 
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::::::In addition to the organization issues and obscure sightings, the whole thing needs a huge cleanup. It seems like the majority of examples were added by anonymous or new users, and there are many grammatical errors and formatting inconsistencies. These mistakes mostly go unnoticed due to the sheer length and unwieldiness of the pages, and nobody bothers to go through them (another problem that can be fixed by limiting the scope). {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 23:23, 28 January 2019 (UTC)
 
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:::::Some of us aren't exactly pop-culture and Internet savvy. Some of us don't spend our lives trolling on Twitter, YouTube and in obscure webcomic dens, or binge-watching every modern TV show that comes down the pike. (I think Homestar Runner has introduced me to more pop culture than I would ever encounter on my own). But I do think there's a difference between a Sighting, and say, Fanstuff. Or people who don't make their own content borrow someone else's pop culture and reference that instead. With the Internet, it's really, really easy to research pop culture references these days. Or some of them might be second-generation, where they use a phrase they might have heard elsewhere and didn't know where it was from, but thought it sounded cool. Homestar Runner cartoons have been corrupting the English language with new words and idiomatic phrases since 2002. -- [[Special:Contributions/68.37.43.131|68.37.43.131]] 00:58, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 
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::::::Anonny makes a fair point. I'm gonna embarrass myself here, but I once [[Talk:Game Sightings#Persona 4 reference|argued that "the jibblies" was a common saying]] because I'd heard the expression long before I'd heard of Homestar Runner. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 09:44, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 
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:::::::”Plain and Simple.” Oh ho ho... [[That's good stuff]]. -[[Special:Contributions/107.77.76.111|107.77.76.111]] 21:09, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 
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::::::::Yeah. I was a dummy. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 21:32, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 

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