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: Sure sounds like John Linnell to me on "Crystal Fortress" once you get passed the "Powered by the Cheat" part...
: Sure sounds like John Linnell to me on "Crystal Fortress" once you get passed the "Powered by the Cheat" part...
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:: TMBG!!!!! DO YOU NOT READ! Sorry but it was just too obvious. [[User:Absorr...too|-Absorr|Homestar Runner Wiki is a must]] 21:10, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
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:::TMBG did it for sure. Matt sounds way different then the voice of Stave...... I concur with John Linnell. [[User:Jibblejibblejibble|Jibblejibblejibble]] 14:28, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
==Who is that masked man?==
==Who is that masked man?==
Were did we find out his name was davey, we should put that in...
Were did we find out his name was davey, we should put that in...
: The person who sang the song is apparently named "Davey", but the ''image'' being named "Davey" is not only speculation, but contradicted by [[Fan Costumes '09]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:01, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
: The person who sang the song is apparently named "Davey", but the ''image'' being named "Davey" is not only speculation, but contradicted by [[Fan Costumes '09]]. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 07:01, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
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::Also, in the commentary to [[for kids]] the guy is referred to as "Stave It Off", just like in Fan Costumes... this might require a name change. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 07:04, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
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:::The image being named Davey is ''not'' mere speculation; it's based on the fact that the guy called "Davey" at the beginning immediately puts on curly hair and a moustache, suggesting he could be the hippie guitarist. Mind you, it appears he is also referred to as "Stave it off", so it could be worth a discussion. Either way, both names will certainly need mentioning. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 09:35, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
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::::I vote for "Stave It Off Guy", because he was referred to as that twice.  It's only suggested that Davey is hippie guitarist.  I think blatant-calling-of-more-than-once beats one suggestion. [[User:Stev0|Stev0]] 15:48, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
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His name has been quasi-confirmed as "Stave" Change it, CHANGE IT NOW! -The Accountless Avenger
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:Strong Bad's assertion that he calls him Stave doesn't necessarily mean it's his real name. So no, I'm not going to change it immediately; something like this needs discussion. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 09:31, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
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::Note that TBC make the same assertion in the feedburn. -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.211|128.103.10.211]] 15:58, 9 November 2009 (UTC)d
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:Since we at least know ''Strong Bad'' calls him "Stave", can we confirm that his line at the end of [[virus]] is "I don't remember your name, Stavey"? [[User:Octan|Octan]] 17:26, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
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:: Since we still aren't even sure on him being Davey, I say we go to the name we have the most confirmation on. Stave it is. Oh wait. I think that failed logic. Oh well, I still think Stave is the best name for right now.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 17:38, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
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:::I'm not sure whether the puppet's name has anything to do with the guitar player's name. The guitar player is obviously not the puppet. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 18:33, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
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::::I got the feeling that the mention of "Stave" in the fan costume deal was sort of directed at Wikifolk who have named him Davey. I thought the Davey thing was just a "Davey and Goliath" reference/parody, by the manner of their dialogue, and then they saw that people were using that as the singer's name, taking things too literally, sort of in the manner of [[The Exact Same]], but not nearly as funny. --[[User:TimMierz|TimMierz]] 19:33, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
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:::::Truth is, TMBG made this song a ''while'' ago. "Davey" was mentioned then, but wasn't connected to Stave, because there were no visuals until this toon came out. Then Stave was used to represent the singer. Given we have two separate sources for the ''image'' being named "Stave", I think that should take precedence. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:03, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
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::::::Stave may well be the primary name of the guitarist, and indeed given the sources this seems pretty likely. The association of Stave with Davey is still clearly there. Perhaps Davey is a PBTC representation of Stave; perhaps Stave is used as a representation of Davey. Either way, the connection between the two needs to be noted in some way. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 23:46, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
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:::::::I vouch in favor of changing the name of the character to "Stave". What horrors would occur when the Wiki renames characters despite the wishes of the creators?--[[Special:Contributions/70.176.220.156|70.176.220.156]] 01:19, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
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::::::::Well, to be quite fair, TBC never started using the name [[Visor Robot]] until we did. But I do realize that's not really all that comparable to this situation. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 04:34, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
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We seem to have a reasonable consensus for the character being called "Stave" as it comes to the image of the guitarist, aka the dude who plays "stave it off, 1 2 3". Cool, we got that much. Now what do we do with Davey? Separate article, I'm guessing? We know that he is the one singing [[Crystal Fortress]], even if the guy we see is Stave (perhaps Stave is just being used as a visual representation of Davey or something), and we've seen him appear as a puppet-type-thing in PBTC style. So perhaps have two separate articles acknowledging as much as we understand of the connection between the two? {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 04:34, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
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:That sounds... confusing.  Which I guess is not out of place, since the situation is confusing.  I would like to stress that information seems to indicate that the full name is the "Stave It Off Guy" with "Stave" just being "for short". -[[Special:Contributions/128.103.10.211|128.103.10.211]] 06:23, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
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:: Uh, well, gee... {My head a splode}. Seriously, though, this is a really messed up conundrum we face, here. THis seems like a critical research failure done by either us or TBC. Or neither. Or both. My head hurts. Well, one situation is just The Cheat giving him a name (and we know just how much is wrong with Cheaty's brain), whereas another is a name that is unnoffical, even in-universe. Which is better, a lie or a guess? Well, I still say Stave is the best name. As a syops once told me "The only extra work we'd have to do is the work we've already done." on the concept of a name being after making the page. I say we just go for it. We're gonna have to change it anyway, so why not? if we're right, we'll have less work. If we're wrong, we just change all of them, which we would need to do anyway. If his name really ''is'' Davey, reverting is easy to do. It's a win-win-win situation. Let's change it. Can't hurt worse than not changing it at all, right?--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 22:22, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
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:::Jellote, I'm not asking if we should change the guitarist's name to Stave. I'm assuming that ''a priori''because it seems the evidence and consensus favour this. What I'm asking is what we do about '''Davey''', who continues to exist as both the PBTC puppet and the singer of the song. I'm thinking he probably needs a separate article. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 23:31, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
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::::But the distinction isn't that clear-cut if the guitarist is clearly singing the song (which he is). -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.213|132.183.151.213]] 23:33, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
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:::::That's also true. The relationship between the two isn't really clear (one explanation I thought of is that Davey and Stave are really one and the same, with Davey as a "real" name and Stave as a nickname and with Puppet Davey being a PBTC representation of the "real" person; another explanation I heard that's probably better is that Haddi-Man and The Cheat used Stave as a visual for Davey for the music video. But all that is essentially speculation.) So we have to find the way to document it as cleanly as possible. I tend to think two separate articles noting the relationship between the two is the best way to do that. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 23:42, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
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:::::: I think what has been done is good. The two aren't distincted into two pages, but shown in a light that seperates them. Or simply, we say that they are related, but not the same. Does that make sense? Well, what's done is good. Davey has a section, but no page was made. A compromise between both parties if I do say so myself. So in a confusing conclusion, the article should stay as one, but with a seperate section. --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 17:37, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
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:Of course, keep note of the new Halloween Costumes flash where Strong Bad notes, "I call him Stave." Strong Sad refers to him as the "Stave It Off Guy. --[[User:USBDongleGoblin|USBDongleGoblin]] 15:56, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

Current revision as of 14:28, 21 December 2009

Is Davey voiced by Matt or TMBG?

Sure sounds like John Linnell to me on "Crystal Fortress" once you get passed the "Powered by the Cheat" part...
TMBG!!!!! DO YOU NOT READ! Sorry but it was just too obvious. -Absorr|Homestar Runner Wiki is a must 21:10, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
TMBG did it for sure. Matt sounds way different then the voice of Stave...... I concur with John Linnell. Jibblejibblejibble 14:28, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Who is that masked man?

Were did we find out his name was davey, we should put that in...

The person who sang the song is apparently named "Davey", but the image being named "Davey" is not only speculation, but contradicted by Fan Costumes '09. --Jay (Talk) 07:01, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Also, in the commentary to for kids the guy is referred to as "Stave It Off", just like in Fan Costumes... this might require a name change. wbwolf (t | ed) 07:04, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
The image being named Davey is not mere speculation; it's based on the fact that the guy called "Davey" at the beginning immediately puts on curly hair and a moustache, suggesting he could be the hippie guitarist. Mind you, it appears he is also referred to as "Stave it off", so it could be worth a discussion. Either way, both names will certainly need mentioning. Heimstern Läufer 09:35, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
I vote for "Stave It Off Guy", because he was referred to as that twice. It's only suggested that Davey is hippie guitarist. I think blatant-calling-of-more-than-once beats one suggestion. Stev0 15:48, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

His name has been quasi-confirmed as "Stave" Change it, CHANGE IT NOW! -The Accountless Avenger

Strong Bad's assertion that he calls him Stave doesn't necessarily mean it's his real name. So no, I'm not going to change it immediately; something like this needs discussion. Heimstern Läufer 09:31, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Note that TBC make the same assertion in the feedburn. -128.103.10.211 15:58, 9 November 2009 (UTC)d
Since we at least know Strong Bad calls him "Stave", can we confirm that his line at the end of virus is "I don't remember your name, Stavey"? Octan 17:26, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Since we still aren't even sure on him being Davey, I say we go to the name we have the most confirmation on. Stave it is. Oh wait. I think that failed logic. Oh well, I still think Stave is the best name for right now.--Jellote wuz here 17:38, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm not sure whether the puppet's name has anything to do with the guitar player's name. The guitar player is obviously not the puppet. — It's dot com 18:33, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
I got the feeling that the mention of "Stave" in the fan costume deal was sort of directed at Wikifolk who have named him Davey. I thought the Davey thing was just a "Davey and Goliath" reference/parody, by the manner of their dialogue, and then they saw that people were using that as the singer's name, taking things too literally, sort of in the manner of The Exact Same, but not nearly as funny. --TimMierz 19:33, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Truth is, TMBG made this song a while ago. "Davey" was mentioned then, but wasn't connected to Stave, because there were no visuals until this toon came out. Then Stave was used to represent the singer. Given we have two separate sources for the image being named "Stave", I think that should take precedence. --Jay (Talk) 20:03, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
Stave may well be the primary name of the guitarist, and indeed given the sources this seems pretty likely. The association of Stave with Davey is still clearly there. Perhaps Davey is a PBTC representation of Stave; perhaps Stave is used as a representation of Davey. Either way, the connection between the two needs to be noted in some way. Heimstern Läufer 23:46, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
I vouch in favor of changing the name of the character to "Stave". What horrors would occur when the Wiki renames characters despite the wishes of the creators?--70.176.220.156 01:19, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Well, to be quite fair, TBC never started using the name Visor Robot until we did. But I do realize that's not really all that comparable to this situation. Heimstern Läufer 04:34, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

We seem to have a reasonable consensus for the character being called "Stave" as it comes to the image of the guitarist, aka the dude who plays "stave it off, 1 2 3". Cool, we got that much. Now what do we do with Davey? Separate article, I'm guessing? We know that he is the one singing Crystal Fortress, even if the guy we see is Stave (perhaps Stave is just being used as a visual representation of Davey or something), and we've seen him appear as a puppet-type-thing in PBTC style. So perhaps have two separate articles acknowledging as much as we understand of the connection between the two? Heimstern Läufer 04:34, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

That sounds... confusing. Which I guess is not out of place, since the situation is confusing. I would like to stress that information seems to indicate that the full name is the "Stave It Off Guy" with "Stave" just being "for short". -128.103.10.211 06:23, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Uh, well, gee... {My head a splode}. Seriously, though, this is a really messed up conundrum we face, here. THis seems like a critical research failure done by either us or TBC. Or neither. Or both. My head hurts. Well, one situation is just The Cheat giving him a name (and we know just how much is wrong with Cheaty's brain), whereas another is a name that is unnoffical, even in-universe. Which is better, a lie or a guess? Well, I still say Stave is the best name. As a syops once told me "The only extra work we'd have to do is the work we've already done." on the concept of a name being after making the page. I say we just go for it. We're gonna have to change it anyway, so why not? if we're right, we'll have less work. If we're wrong, we just change all of them, which we would need to do anyway. If his name really is Davey, reverting is easy to do. It's a win-win-win situation. Let's change it. Can't hurt worse than not changing it at all, right?--Jellote wuz here 22:22, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Jellote, I'm not asking if we should change the guitarist's name to Stave. I'm assuming that a prioribecause it seems the evidence and consensus favour this. What I'm asking is what we do about Davey, who continues to exist as both the PBTC puppet and the singer of the song. I'm thinking he probably needs a separate article. Heimstern Läufer 23:31, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
But the distinction isn't that clear-cut if the guitarist is clearly singing the song (which he is). -132.183.151.213 23:33, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
That's also true. The relationship between the two isn't really clear (one explanation I thought of is that Davey and Stave are really one and the same, with Davey as a "real" name and Stave as a nickname and with Puppet Davey being a PBTC representation of the "real" person; another explanation I heard that's probably better is that Haddi-Man and The Cheat used Stave as a visual for Davey for the music video. But all that is essentially speculation.) So we have to find the way to document it as cleanly as possible. I tend to think two separate articles noting the relationship between the two is the best way to do that. Heimstern Läufer 23:42, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
I think what has been done is good. The two aren't distincted into two pages, but shown in a light that seperates them. Or simply, we say that they are related, but not the same. Does that make sense? Well, what's done is good. Davey has a section, but no page was made. A compromise between both parties if I do say so myself. So in a confusing conclusion, the article should stay as one, but with a seperate section. --Jellote wuz here 17:37, 14 November 2009 (UTC)
Of course, keep note of the new Halloween Costumes flash where Strong Bad notes, "I call him Stave." Strong Sad refers to him as the "Stave It Off Guy. --USBDongleGoblin 15:56, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
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