Editing Talk:Teen Girl Squad Issue 14

==Ditto== 

Does Anyone know what a Ditto exam is?  Does it refer to the ditto printer schools use? [[User:Physicsguymonsterman|Physicsguymonsterman]] 11:42, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:I can only assume it is an exam where all the questions are nearly identical to past exams.  i.e. a maths exam where they ask the same questions but with differnt numbers.  This would not explain the meaning though.  In addition to this section of the toon, it should be noted that the text on the "Exam" is in purple, not black.  [[User:125.238.9.80|125.238.9.80]] 12:10, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

:Pretty sure it's a reference to the purple-ink copies made by a [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirit_duplicator ditto machine.] Ditto machines are often confused with [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mimeograph mimeographs.] This would be an ultra low-tech contrast to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scantron Scantron] computer-read multiple choice test.

:I must be old.  We used this term to describe an activity sheet that was given to the whole class.  Most of the time it was just busy work, but sometimes tests were given from the "teacher's edition" of the textbook for that subject.  We called them dittos because they were just mass copies.  Of course, I also was a substitute teacher earlier last year, and the middle school kids had no idea what I was talking about when I said "here's a ditto to do", so maybe it's fallen out of common language by now.

:Exactly, it's copies of a worksheet (or test) made on a ditto machine, which is what schools had before copiers and printers got so affordable. The process was kind of like silkscreen printing. The ink was pale purplish-blue. It stank of some weird solvent, and when the pages were fresh they were heavy with an alien dampness.
::So what you're saying is that a ditto paper is a crap, low-quality test paper? No wonder So and So got so upset. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 19:48, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:::To be fair though, it was mostly So-and-So's fault for trying to play the system. Relying on learning and manipulating the way the test works to get a higher grade is no match for actually learning the facts instead. [[User:Gerkuman|Gerkuman]] 14:30, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

== Michelle Branch ==

The quarterback's song lyrics conceptually reminded me of Michelle Branch's "Everywhere". Does anyone else think that this is plausible? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 12:34, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

==Two eighty-Sevens?==
There seems to be a mistake on the Brothers Chaps part, this Crossover issue is Number 87, but the Hit-Enter-Too-Soon-Man  issue is also 87. Is this worth noting?
:check goofs, it's already there. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 12:41, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::This might be worth noting, but I don't think it qualifies as a goof.  Couldn't this be entirely intentional on TBC's part?  [[User:Telamon|-Telamon]] 02:37, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I agree with you &mdash; I think it might be an intentional joke (like, it's another thing Science Fiction Greg would get up in arms about). Also, I think it's interesting that the repeated issue number is [[1987|87]]. At any rate, I'd much rather see this fact in Remarks than in Goofs. {{User:Trey56/sig}} 03:01, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

== Floating Time Line ==

Removed "*If the teens were all thirteen in the first issue, released December of 2002, then this would make them eighteen, making this their "actual" high school graduation." under remarks. I think that TGS, like all homestarrunner.com characters, are, mostly, in a floating time line. ([[User:Frazz|Frazz]] 14:25, 12 May 2008 (UTC))
: I left it in thinking that it was an interesting coincidence, but you're right. Heck, WHF even mentions returning to the school in September. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 14:27, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:: Perhaps a possible "TGS: The College Years" ([[User:SDSpivey|SDSpivey]] 16:13, 12 May 2008 (UTC))
My remark on the age of the teen girls was deleted.  My reasoning is this:  If they were thirteen in 2002, then they would have been sixteen in 2005 for the sweet-somethingteen birthday party in TGS 10.  It seems that, by intention or happenstance, the teen girls are actually following something of a coherent plotline.  I think that pointing out the fact that they would be graduating high school is interesting and worth thinking about, if only because it means that the TGS will fail to qualify for the "T" in their title in a scant year. Dissent? {{unsigned|209.158.39.251|17:17, 12 May 2008 (UTC)}}
: I agree that they would be 18.  Great Fun fact. it should be Stuff'd [[User:Physicsguymonsterman|Physicsguymonsterman]] 18:37, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:: BTW, there's a flaw in the math. If they were thirteen in 2002, then they'd be '''NINETEEN''' now, not eighteen! It's been six years, and 13 + 6 = 19 last I checked. Anyway, note WHF's remark that she'd be returning in September. And note that, if they ''were'' eighteen now, What's Her Face [[Teen Girl Squad Issue 9|got her driver's license at the age of FOURTEEN]]. They have a flexible timeline and you're just reading too far into it. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:00, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Thirteen in December of 2002 means they would be TURNING eighteen in 2007.  If their birthdays fall around Fall or Winter as implied by the timing of the somethingteen birthday party, they won't be nineteen until later this year.
:: Having said that, I notice that the argument could be made that they all turned thirteen sometime between May and December. That still doesn't excuse things like WHF's license at 14. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:03, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::We don't really know any of the laws and regulations of FCUSA.  This is a case for Litigation Jackson.
::::I noticed that all our conceptions and guesses are dependant on them moving up a grade each year. It seems to me like a reasonable answer is that they all failed a couple grades. {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}
:::::We are arare this is all bald speculation? That Strong Bad is drawing them and as such he can choose to keep them timeless? As evidenced by the What's Her Face's license, thee is no rhyme or reason to the timeline inherently. Why impose one? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 22:25, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::I was just about to say the same thing. Seeing as Strong Bad made the entire series up on a whim in one email from years ago, he probably doesn't care what age they are. TGS are cartoon characters who can be around for many years and never age or look any different. That's all. -{{User:Brightstar Shiner/sig}} 22:28, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::Is there anything in the cartoon that implies that they're graduating?  I didn't see any. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 22:56, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::I thought about that too. Even more evidence that we are making our conjectures based on assumed information. And I don't like to just wave away a discussion on the basis that it just ''could'' be an on purpose screwed up timeline that ''might'' have been a mistake. Can't we just collect the info that's actually there and make an inference in the case that there actually is a solution, accidental or not? {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}
:::::::::Guys, guys, guys. Don't you think that, if it's dbated this much, we should move it to STUFF? I mean, come on. You guys have filled up half the talk page with this. --{{User:Super Martyo Brother/sig}} 01:38, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::::::No, I don't, actually. If we can resolve this by discussion, which is superior to voting, we should. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 02:07, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::::In the words of Strong Bad, "They're teenage girls between the ages of thirteen and nineteen", which doesn't suggest that he's hugely concerned with defining their exact ages - the fact that they're teenage is all we get. What's Her Face expecting to see Mr. Pitters next September also suggests she's coming back after the summer. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 12:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

whats her face is the oldest, she had already had her drivers liscense for a year in 2005
:::::::::::Here's how a floating time line works. Things like holidays, birthdays, end of years etc. always happen, but the characters involved do not really change much. Sweet somethingteen implies no specific age. In fact, almost everything in this series has been done without much regard to actual age. It's just generic teenishness. This is the way it's always been in the homestar universe. Since TGS is another arbitrary series within (but outside of) an already floating time, I can see no reason to write down a specific age.
:::::::::::Furthermore, when was it <b>EVER</b> said that they were 13 in 2002? Their age has always been arbitrary. I see no reason to include something that is based on one baseless assumption (that they were 13) and another assumption which goes against the very nature of the series, and indeed, the entire Homestarrunner universe. ([[User:Frazz|Frazz]] 17:59, 14 May 2008 (UTC))

== Quarterback/Quarterman ==

I transcribed this as "Quarterman", but it turns out in his earlier appearance he was "Quarterback". Not sure whether to trust Cheerleader or The Ugly One on this! -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 14:41, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

== Only Credits? ==

Is this currently the only TGS to have a real credit roll? [[User:71.90.128.212|71.90.128.212]] 17:33, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, but I don't think it's worth mentioning it in the Fun Facts section. {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}
::Why is that? {{User:Iyeru/sig}}
:::Because it was '''''clearly''''' just added there for comedic effect. It's a whole different thing when, its like: "This issue is the only one to use a cold open", because its completely different from the rest of the issues. Yes, the credits ''are'' different from the other issues, but saying it's the only one with credits, in my eyes, is like saying: "This is the only email where Strong Bad sings ''{insert any sbemail song in here}''". {{User:DevonM/sig}} 02:04, 17 May 2008 (UTC) 
===3 lines in credits===

Also, potentially off-topic, why are there only three lines of the credits in the transcript?  Shouldn't the whole credits be there?
: Um, that IS all of it? Teen Girl Squad isn't exactly supposed to be a blockbuster production with a huge crew behind it, after all. It's surprising enough there's more than ONE line. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 19:10, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:: I think the guy was asking about the uh, cast. Unless that was already stuck in there. {{User:Iyeru/sig}}

== Tite Rolled ==
Could the name of the band that performs in the credits a reference to "Rick Roll", the famous 4Chan meme? Is this plausible?
--[[User:Crazyneo|Crazyneo]] 18:05, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:I'd say it's referring to the titles rolling, myself. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 19:06, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::That makes sense --[[User:Crazyneo|Crazyneo]] 19:22, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Let's hope TBC have enough sense to stay away from 4Chan. {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 03:38, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Hey, 4Chan loves TBC's work! --[[User:Crazyneo|Crazyneo]] 22:38, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
:I thought it had something to do with Rick Astley, too. I have to be right.
::I thought it was a play on the phrase "roll [end] titles." [[User:Octan|Octan]] 04:05, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
I'd say there's a stronger marijuana reference here than to Rick Roll. And we'd call that unnotable. So, no fun fact. We're playing badminton. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 11:48, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

== Eighty Sevens ==

Okay, so i was pretty sure i had moved it to goofs, but i saw it in remarks again, so i thought "maybe i didn't actually save earlier". Turns out i had, and trey moved it because like, maybe it was a joke, something that would irk greg. I actually like this explanation, but i wonder how plausible it is, i could go either way. so... goof or remark? {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 18:24, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

== higher voices? ==

I don't know about you guys, but Cheerleader's voice sounded higher this time. {{User:Neox/sig}} 20:46, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:I noticed that too, especially in her first couple lines about boys. (...Boys.) --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:48, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:Third'ed.  It was jarring for me. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 03:20, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::I think it's gotten progressively higher over these past 6 years. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 03:28, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:::fourth'd! --[[User:Forddude1416|Forddude1416]] 05:28, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::::FIFTH'D!! --[[User:MichaelXX2|MichaelXX2]] 10:28, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:::THE MIGHTY SIXTH'D!!! (This is fun.) And slightly scratchier. [[User:Chipwich|Chipwich]]
:::::Why the crap did nobody count me? [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 03:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::::::You didnt say a number so it had to follow the order... or else --[[User:Forddude1416|Forddude1416]] 20:17, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

== What I've Been Looking For ==

Could Quarterman's speech reference that High School Musical song with words like, "It's hard to believe, that I couldn't see, that you were always there beside me" blah blah blah [[YouTube:6drR0CvlMME|here it is]]. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:46, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:Yes, it's already mentioned in the Real-World References. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 21:47, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
::I did not mean to create irony, if you were curious. [[User:Bad Bad Guy|Bad Bad Guy]] 21:50, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:I dunno... I think its just a parody of just about every other cheesy teen movie where the main character finally realizes that the other person was "always there for them" but they just never saw it cause they were too busy with becoming popular, or whatever the main premise of the movie was. The lyrics are only sort of similar and the melody and musical style are not at all the same.  --[[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 22:14, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

::yea I know. I think its a reference to the cheesy teen movie endings. Not a specific reference to high school musical. It just doesn't seem HSM enough to me. And, considering the whole ending (with the garbage dumping and walking away into a parking lot) is a parody of teen movies, this makes much more sense. Don't get me wrong, I like HSM as much as anyone else, but it is definitely not a "teen movie."--[[User:Del Taco?|Del Taco?]] 19:51, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

== Canon ==

Woah. The way "canon" is defined in the Fun Facts is ''exactly'' what we're doing here at the Wiki. Probably not something to add to the article, but I just thought I'd bring that to attention. {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}
:Kind of, but not really. We like to reconcile facts with in-universe explanations when we can, and we note when things don't quite line up from toon to toon, but overall we know that H*R canon is a very loose concept that TBC only take seriously when it's funny to do so. See the discussion on flexible time above. The Star Wars and Star Trek folks would have none of it. &mdash; [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 22:18, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't think that the word canon is well-defined in the Explanations given the comic's context. Even so I don't think canon applies to costumes unless it's part of the story for the character to have a specific one. I'd like to propose a re-wording, but I don't know to what. {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 03:47, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

== Larry Palaron-So and So? ==

Does anyone else think that when So and So says "But Mrs. Frillsneck, I studied for a standardized test!", especially the "standardized test" part, she sounds a bit like Larry from Limozeen? {{User:DevonM/sig}} 23:24, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:nope... i mean, since the voices are all the same guy, a bit, but not more so than usual, no. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:51, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
:I concur...Matt does deliver the line using extremely similar intonation to much of Larry's dialogue, but I don't think it was a specific reference to Limozeen. Matt's done so many lines in so many voices, naturally there'll be a few lines of dialogue that, although spoken by different characters, sound alike. Aside from that, I think that they'd probably put a bigger Limozeen reference in there if it was intentional. [[User:Lucentas|Lucentas]] 00:34, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::No, I wasn't trying to get a fun fact out of it, I just forgot to use the forum...:^( {{User:DevonM/sig}} 02:18, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

== Dixon Ticonderoga ==

In "Real-World References", should it be mentioned that Dixon Ticonderoga is a common brand of pencil found in high schools or is that too easily inferred by its use in the mimeogWRATH fight? [[User:GillanTheVillain|GillanTheVillain]] 00:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:Personally, I think it's just obvious, but I would not be opposed to an Explanation if others see a need. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 07:58, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::I actually did not know that until reading this... i think it's necessary. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 09:32, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:::I'm glad it was added, don't forget non-Americans like me don't necessarily have the same stuff! I expect you can get them in the UK, but they're not a household name at all. -- [[User:Mithent|Mithent]] 10:28, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Just wanted to say that I'm American and I didn't recognize the term. -[[User:DAGRON|DAGRON]] 12:05, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Same here. [[User:Danny Lilithborne|Danny Lilithborne]] 12:04, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Ditto. (teehee) I may have known at one time, but I don't own any of those pencils right now. Definite keep.{{User:NFITC1/sig}} 03:49, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

== Death ==

Would the dead bird on cheerleaders face be another reference to death? --[[User:Forddude1416|Forddude1416]] 05:27, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
: Come to think of it, it'd definitely be a reference to birds dying, which happens a lot in older TGS issues... --{{User:Jay/sig}} 17:41, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::Despite that Cheerleader calls it a "dead finch", it actually looks more like a bat to me... just my two cents. -{{User:YK/sig}} 20:14, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:::Looks like a bird to me. The tail is the part taped to Cheerleader; you can clearly see its beak at the bottom (with a nostril on one beak, even.) --{{User:Jay/sig}} 20:22, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
::::Edited in birds reference. Somebody needs to change the article about The Birds, though. ([[User:Frazz|Frazz]] 18:04, 14 May 2008 (UTC))
:::::It's already mentioned on that page. I added it shortly after responding to Forddude's remark. No picture yet though. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:20, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

== The Alfred G. Graebner Memorial High School Handbook of Rules and Regulations ==

Hmmm, someone took out my Real World Reference comparison to this book, but I'm not seeing why in the history or talk. Did I write it with too many spoilers for the book? Or did someone think it's just a coincidence? (I'm quite confident that it merits at least the description 'reminiscent'.)
:Um... what is that? {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 21:42, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Well, here's what I wrote:
*Cheerleader's use of "several religions" as an excuse to evade exercise is reminiscent of [[Wikipedia:Ellen Conford|The Alfred G. Graebner Memorial High School Handbook of Rules and Regulations]], a novel (later adapted for television) in which one character converts to many different religions in order to skip classes on their various holidays. (The book also mentions dirty P.E. uniforms, used as an excuse to evade exercise in P.E.)
:With all due respect, I highly doubt a couple of 30-year old animators are going to be referencing an Afterschool Special or its original Young Adult novel. {{User:Qermaq/sig}} 08:49, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
:With equal respect, really? Strong Bad watches a LOT of TV. My pop-culture background is similar to the animators'. I remember ditto sheets and Dixon T's and Apple ][s and all these things. I'm Strong Bad's generation. And I read the book - it's hilariously funny, by the way, and well worth your time if you enjoy TGS. If you had read it, you'd certainly find the "several religions" comment at least "reminiscent" of the book. (If you haven't, how can you judge the similarity?) Personally I think coincidence is a *less* likely reason than deliberate reference for this specific excuse showing up in such a similar context, but how do you figure it's not "reminiscent"? 
:But I didn't come here to argue. I thought this was a wiki. I provided some information and I stand by it. Use it or don't; I'm done. (But in any case, do look for the book: it's lots of fun!)
::I never read the book, so I can't tell you if it's a reference or not, but I was written in 1976, according to Wikipedia. TBC could have read it when they were kids. {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 16:22, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
::I said I was done, but that's the other point I forgot: I sought out the TV version because I loved the book, even though I was a bit old for it. (The book's far better.) But I'm a bit older than 30, too. They could easily have seen it on purpose, if not channel-surfing. And the book was good enough and popular enough to be televised - they could easily have read it.
:::"Against my religion" is really an old joke. I've heard it several times before in various contexts. Example, "I can't tip, it's against my religion." The dirty uniforms may be a reference, just maybe, but they weren't used to get out of class anyway. They're probably just a reference to students' dirty uniforms. ([[User:Frazz|Frazz]] 18:08, 14 May 2008 (UTC))
:::Of course "against my religion" is an old joke. What's distinctive here is having *more than one* religion for it to be against. That's the whole point. The uniforms alone don't mean anything, but if the religions line reminds you of the book, other elements of the scene certainly contribute to the resemblance.

== Strong Bad's End Credit Song ==

I'm almost positive i've heard that tune somewhere on the site before.  Anyone know what it's based on? {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 17:43, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Maybe you're thinking of "Tonight is All Right 4 Tonight", from [[Dangeresque 3]]?

:Yeah, I thought of TIAR4T when I first heard the credits. Think it's worth mentioning? {{User:Superfield Credit Union/sig}}

::Didn't remind me of that at all... {{User:NFITC1/sig}} 03:51, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
::Seconded on behalf of already downloaded the all right for tonight. {{User:Iyeru/sig}}

== Super Smash Squad? ==

Is it just me, or does the "Scantron vs MimeogWrath" part seem very simular to the titles before fights in the Super Smash Bros. video games? --[[User:ZootyCutie|ZootyCutie]] 21:17, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
:Or even Dead Or Alive, Tekken, Mortal Kombat, King of--*sleeps as he mumbles the rest* {{User:Iyeru/sig}}
::I agree with ZootyCutie, considering that the fighter's names are called out before the fight.{{User:Neox/sig}} 19:03, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

== WHAT'S HER FACE: I'll go ahead and clean out my locker I 'spooooooooose ==

Did this remind anyone else of a string-bend on guitar? The way the ends of the word stayed where they are while the middle bit moved up and the pitch went up?

== Voice Change ==

I know all a dang y'all noticed thatall the tgs characters sounded different.  more like each other and less like them selves? [[User:Physicsguymonsterman|Physicsguymonsterman]] 16:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
: I've never heard any significant differences between the voices of the TGS, and in fact the concept that some on the Wiki have that they have different voices seems less funny to me than the identical voices I hear. They have managed to get higher-pitched over the years, but that applies to all four of them. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 16:09, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:: Quite honnestly, i could only imagine the strain once voice must take on in order to make those voices, especially when they sing or do any special effects. Seems only natural voices will evolve, especially in cartoons. look at all of everyone elses voices, they've progressed over the years. Same goes with any cartoon. --[[User:Forddude1416|Forddude1416]] 20:20, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

== Not Dead? ==

Hey is it worth mentioning that the ugly one is the only one of the teen girl squad to have survived twice?[[User:Nogain|Nogain]] 22:18, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:I don't see why it's notable... {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 22:21, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
:: It's not true as stated anyway; some TGS episodes involved only one or none of the squad dying. Uggs was the ''sole'' survivor twice, but every girl has been the sole survivor at least once anyway, and it'll almost certainly change in the future. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 22:37, 19 May 2008 (UTC)