Talk:Tomatocycle

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[edit] Keep?

I think this is an important item, at least as important as The Blue Ones, but what do you think? --Jellote 22:16, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

it has only one appearance. It doesn't deserve a page.--Record307 ^Talk/_Contribs 23:39, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

If it gets another appearance in the next ten toons, we should keep it. If not, bye bye.Doctorwho295 14:37, 22 April 2009

As per the inclusion guideline, "Page relating to a H*R-specific item needs only one appearance in Homestar Runner toons, as long as it played an important role." The tomatocycle is certain HR specific, and I would argue it had an important role: It was shown twice, beginning and end (and had done something interesting, namely, falling apart, between these appearances), it was specifically focused on, when Strong Mad pulled it out and the toon zoomed in on it, and the page title referred to it specifically and by name. Definitely enough for a page, I think. -170.223.0.55 20:58, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

A couple passing glances is not an important role by any stretch. If he had been holding a banana, it would have had little to no bearing on the main content of the toon at all. delete 98.222.134.36 22:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, but the fact is he did NOT hold up a banana. The title references it, so it must be important to the Chapmans. It even got a close up. How is that a passing glance? --Jellote 09:58, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Neither of those facts constitute a important role in the toon. As of now, it's a one off gag. I'm not saying we shouldn't document the Tomatocycle, but there simply isn't enough interesting content about it to warrant a page. 98.222.134.36 13:13, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Exactly, this is the first time we have ever seen this item. We'll just have to wait till the next toon, for now Delete--Record307 ^Talk/_Contribs 15:03, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Just to note, for the precedent regarding articles about HR-specific objects that have appeared only once, one might glance at these couple of discussions: [1], [2], [3] -128.103.10.135 16:26, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Delete that mess. It's there for maybe five seconds as a one-off joke; the page title is just as one-off. No reason this deserves its own page yet.--Big Dog 21:59, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

The main flaw with 128.103.10.135's argument is that all those articles are for products unique to H*R. You will not be able to buy a can of C'mon! It's FOG!, Fthoom-Bang fireworks or a bottle of Hamburger Shampoo in the real world, which is why they are allowed to have their own articles, even though they appear just once. The Tomatocycle, however, is not a product, nor is it completely specific to H*R. Anyone could make a model motorcycle out of sausages and tomatoes. (I bet there's at least one website that does this sort of crap all the time.) Yes, TBC have gone the extra mile and given it an actual name, but does it really play an important role in the toon it appears in? No, I do not think so. The Cheat's day would not have been any different had Strong Mad not made that Tomatocycle. It is also not as important as The Blue Ones because it is not a major plot device used to motivate any of the characters. After summing up this argument so far, I'm leaning towards a delete. Having a page on Strong Mad's tomatocycle is like having an article on Strong Mad's origami lotus flower and praying mantis from unused emails. – The Chort 18:08, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Not once in the Hrwiki:inclusion guidelines is there any mention it needs to be a product. On the contrary it claims that it only needs to be 1: An important plot item (received a close-up, fell apart as a gag and mentioned in page description), 2: It must be a seperated entity that is not an item that is part of his character (i.e. no Poopsmith shovels) and 3: must be unique to the H*R universe. Nowhere on the internet will you find a Tomatocycle (what kind of excuse was that "I bet a lot of people do that" thing without even backing it up). As it is all three, the only reason one might find to delete it is their opinions. Since this page has all requirements, I see no reason to delete it except for the fact that you don't like this page.

Also note that it did, in fact, motivate a character. It was Strong Mad's example for what they were just talking a boot. It acted as an important item for the sub-plot. Goodbye and stop whining, eh --Jellote 22:14, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

First of all, I did not say that it needs to be a product to have its own article. Back then, I was pointing out a problem in a previous argument that had been made. The point I wanted to make was that it needs to be specific to the website, and I'm not sure that a few sausages and tomatoes arranged in an unusual manner fits that category enough to deserve an entire article. Secondly, I do not agree that it was an important item intergral to the plot of the toon, nor that it provides any motivation to Strong Mad. Thirdly, I certainly do not want to have this article deleted because I don't like it, as you claim. Instead, I feel that the Tomatocycle is not relevant enough to deserve its own article. Finally, Jellote, I do not like your attitude towards me at all. Wether intentional or not, your reply seems to have come across quite harsh. It is absolutely fine to disagree with my thoughts, but you seem to be verging on flaming. Please can we discuss the merits of this article without using aggressive language like "Goodbye and stop whining" or personal critisisms? I think what this talk page really needs is some more views and opinions so that this discussion can develop further. – The Chort 16:04, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

This doesn't deserve to have a separate page. Leave it in Minor Foods. --User:BubbleRevolution

I say remove the page and recreate it if the Tomatocycle is seen again ever. OpenSourceGreg 06:36, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Dude, I just added it to the minor foods list. It was already there under unnamed foods. It was linked to somewhere, and the wiki needs the information. I say keep, because its important. Also, if it wasn't, they wouldn't put it in a toon.--Smartkidhen 19:27, 20 May 2009 (UTC)smartkidhen

Smartkidhen, I don't understand your argument; if the Tomatocycle is already on the Minor Foods article (which I see as the perfect place for this information as it is a minor item and is technically a food), why would we need an article containing the same information? We should always avoid having duplicate copies of information on this wiki (see HRWiki:Once And Only Once). Why couldn't we just merge this article with Minor Foods? Also, just because it's in a toon doesn't make it important per se. Otherwise, we'd end up with individual articles for every single item ever featured on every single toon on the website. There's absolutely nothing wrong with having special articles like Minor Foods which encompass all these themed, one-time throw-away gags. – The Chort 19:48, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Now that a couple months have passed since this discussion took place, and no further sightings have been seen, should a decision about this be reached? It seems most are leaning towards deleting the page, and restoring it if it should ever pop up again. For now, it seems the Tomatocycle should stay only on Minor Foods. Itama 06:08, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I find that this isn't a minor food. Rather, it's a combination of a few generic foods, and not a specific "brand" of one type of food (I hope that's understandable). Otherwise, I'm neutral on this article. While it does have its screen time, and it is mentioned in the title, I'm not too sure whether to keep or delete.

I think that any article that is about a thing that only appears in one toon, and the toon that it's in gives the viewer all the information about it,should be deleted because if anyone who watches the toon it's in gets everything there is to know about it, then whats the point of making an article about it. Rondleman! Stuff I did.Talk. 17:37, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

I just want you to look at this crap. The plot would be the same if it were any other item. Yet it has a page. The item in question is a make-or-break; the sub-plot would definitely differ without it. The motorcycle gag couldn't exist. Sure, one could argue that the soy crisp joke needed the Crisps, A-Soy, but then this page should stay if the other does. After all, which affects the story more? Yes, I really want my page to live. Who wouldn't? But you have to admit I've brought a lot of defense to the case. --Jellote wuz here 19:55, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

The main problem with that argument is that Crisps, A-soy is an actual food product, presumably manufactured by a company based in Free Town Country, USA, whereas Tomatocycle is just three sausages and two tomato slices stuck together. A better argument would be to approach this article from a different angle and look at The Strongs' Capsela; this very minor item has only appeared in one toon with no real contribution to its plot, but we seem to have decided to keep its article because otherwise, most people wouldn't have noticed the existence of a Capsela set in the toon. So one could argue that the existence of the Tomatocycle article draws attention to its existence in Where U Going 2? which the viewer might have passed over when they watched the toon. I know that I didn't register the Tomatocycle when I first watched it. We could cover Tomatocycle on Minor Foods, but come to think of it, that article is about food the characters enjoy eating, not making models out of. So by contradicting everything I've said on this article so far, what I'm saying is that I don't really know what we should do with this article and don't mind what happens to it. I'm just on here to mull over possible solutions to these type of discussions. – The Chort 19:48, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

That's it, I have seen the truth. The arguements against are much stronger than the ones for, almost all of them for me. I concede, and have strucken out all of my previous edits. I know this page is going to be deleted, so let us just merge it and spare us any further pointless chatter that ultimately results in my arguements being invalid. All of my arguements were either personal attacks or fallacies. I was new to the wiki, and knew not of the rules. So very sorry if my comments offended, which they no doubt did. I now vote delete to my own page. Ho hum.--Jellote wuz here 00:00, 7 February 2010 (UTC)