Editing Talk:Trogdor!! The Board Game Rulebook EP

==Brainkrieg lyrics==

There's still a few words I don't understand before we can remove the stub section from the lyrics page: The second change to the refrain of "Trogdor's Fiery Rage". I think it might be "fly with the cards", but that doesn't feel right. The lyrics as I hear them are below - note the '''???'''s.  - [[User:Portmanteauxses|Portmanteauxses]]

'''BRAINKRIEG:''' ''{singing}'' <br>
So you lost the game <br>
Well that's really lame <br>
But Troggie's got a fire <br>
That cannot be contained!

Trogdor's Fiery Rage! (Draw five cards!) <br>
Trogdor's Fiery Rage! ('''???''')<br>
Trogdor's Fiery Rage! (Draw five cards!) <br>
Trogdor's Fiery Rage!

He gets wraparound <br>
Burns everything down <br>
Just by touching it <br>
Except the archer lives

Trogdor's Fiery Rage! (Draw five cards!) <br>
Trogdor's Fiery Rage! ('''???''')<br>
Trogdor's Fiery Rage! (Draw five cards!) <br>
Trogdor's Fiery Rage!

''{spoken}'' Deck of cards! <br>
Jugga jigga wugga.

== Individual Pages ==

The page is a bit long and cluttered, and it will just become more confusing as more music videos are released. I think individual pages should be made for each song, similar to [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits]]. That way, this page will become more concise and clear, and whenever a song gets a video, we can just add the video information to the song's page. The song and the video would be covered on the same page, à la [[These peoples try to fade me]], so no "(video)" would be needed in the title. The lyrics would be transcribed [[HRWiki:Once And Only Once|Once and Only Once]]. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 22:15, 29 April 2019 (UTC)
:I'm in favor. [[Special:Contributions/71.234.175.43|71.234.175.43]] 21:02, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
::So am I. That'd be a good idea. {{User:SRMX12/sig}} 22:59, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
:::[[These peoples try to fade me]] has the video and the song on the same page because the audio for the video and the song are both the same, which makes having a visuals page easy. Currently both of the music videos released for the EP have additional segments that differentiate them from their EP counterparts, which I think warrants them having separate "(video)" pages.  (or possibly "(music video)" in the case of "Trogdor's Fiery Rage" since otherwise it could be [[Six-Sadded, Die. - Trogdor's Fiery Rage|ambiguous]].)<br /><br />The songs could probably be given their own pages since [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits|the other album we have a page on]] does the same. {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 14:30, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
::::Yeah, that's a good point. I agree. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 18:43, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
:::::So should I create the pages? {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 00:23, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
::::::Why specifically you? {{User:RickTommy/sig}} 01:06, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
:::::::Because no one else seems to be doing it? No objections here. {{User:SRMX12/sig}} 01:44, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
::::::::What SRMX12 said. I was planning on doing it anyway, but it occured to me that I should ask first, just in case. And now it's done! {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 02:00, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

==Styles==
Can someone fill in the "Style" sections on the song pages? I did a few of them, but I'm not very good at genres. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 05:48, 19 May 2019 (UTC)

==Merge Video and Visuals==
Right now, the songs with music videos are transcribed twice. Once on the song page, and once on the video page. I think that, instead of transcribing the songs on the video pages, we should put the visuals table there. That way, it would follow [[HRWiki:Once And Only Once|OAOO]]. I think three pages for one song is kind of redundant. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 05:48, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
:On the same topic, I've been debating with myself whether or not I should go back and change the visuals-style [[Skills of an Artist]] transcripts for traditional ones, just for consistency. Visuals for music videos usually go on a separate page because they're not easy to transcribe traditionally. Do we have precedent on songs with videos? -- [[Special:Contributions/68.37.43.131|68.37.43.131]] 14:20, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
::As far as I can tell, we do: [[Moving Very Slowly (video)]], [[It's Like It Was Meant to Be]] (also a video page), and [[Secret Song (video)]] all just transcribe the visuals in their respective pages without using a visuals chart, keeping [[Moving Very Slowly|the]] [[It's like it was meant to be|song]] [[Secret Song|pages]] separate. All the [[KaraokeFun]] pages don't seem to transcribe visuals at all for some reason&mdash;except [[Rock Opera (karaoke)]] which puts them into the main [[Rock Opera Visuals]] page for [[rock opera|the original sbemail]]. If the visuals for these new ones can be transcribed in the same manner then I'd say it's reasonable to follow the precedent of the former three. [[Trogdor's Fiery Rage (video)|Trogdor's Fiery Rage]] has simple enough visuals that it could probably be transcribed on the same page but I'm not sure about [[Quickstart Overview (video)|Quickstart Overview]]. {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 16:46, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
:::Perhaps this might be a good discussion to have in the ''[[HRWiki talk:Standards|Wiki Standards talk page]]'' for possible inclusion as a standard? (If we want to have a standard way to handle visuals.) ==[[User:Stux|Stux]] 17:01, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
::Speaking of precedent, the other two Brainkreig songs have [[If I Don't Get Video Games... Visuals|visuals]] [[Decomposing Pumpkins Visuals|pages]], so Trogor's Fiery Rage can do the same. For a music video like Quickstart Overview, I think about how we did [[Rap Song Visuals|Rap Song]] and [[Trudgemank Visuals|Trudgemank]], where only the lyrics were transcribed and the visuals went on a separate page. That's how I think, anyway. The thing is that the songs DEIDATVM cited started as audio tracks first and the music video came separately later, just like the Trogdor EP, so we have separate pages for those. So I figure our standards should have a separate visuals page for each music video. -- [[Special:Contributions/68.37.43.131|68.37.43.131]] 20:46, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
:::The examples you cited, in my opinion, don't really work as precedents. It seems like you're looking at other songs with the same artists/genres for comparison, but they don't have separate song and video pages like these do, so it's not a fair comparison. ''These'' songs are transcribed twice, and I'm saying one of those times is unnecessary and can be replaced with visuals (in a chart or otherwise). I agree with DEIDATVM &mdash; we should probably follow the precedents of the first three he mentioned.
:::Also, I don't think a Wiki Standards discussion is necessary, since we already have a standard way to handle visuals. For music videos, we put them in a chart on a separate page, and for audio songs with videos created later, we put the visuals on the video page (which is what I'm suggesting). {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 00:40, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
::::{{p|l=http://hrwiki.org/w/index.php?title=HRWiki:Sandbox&oldid=783774 This is what I'm suggesting}}. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 18:24, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
:::::Now that there are three videos, let's resume the discussion. I don't see any drawbacks to putting the visuals right on the video page. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 22:34, 17 June 2019 (UTC)
::::::I'll reiterate my support for the visuals to be transcribed on the video's page, though I'm undecided on the table format. {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 02:36, 26 October 2019 (UTC)

== Album template ==

{{clear}}
{| class="navbox" style="margin:0 auto; padding:0.2em;"
! style="background:#6EED6E;text-align:center;" colspan="4" | [[Trogdor&#33;&#33; The Board Game Rulebook EP]]

|- style="font-size:smaller;"
| style="background-color:#CBFDCB;text-align:center;" width="3%"|'''1'''||width="30%"| [[Quickstart Overview]] ([[Quickstart Overview (video)|video]])
| style="background-color:#CBFDCB;text-align:center;" width="3%"|'''7'''||width="30%"| [[When The Knight Moves Thru Ya]]

|- style="font-size:smaller;"
| style="background-color:#CBFDCB;text-align:center;" |'''2'''|| [[The Actions You Can Do]] ([[The Actions You Can Do (video)|video]])
| style="background-color:#CBFDCB;text-align:center;" |'''8'''|| [[The Archer]]

|- style="font-size:smaller;"
| style="background-color:#CBFDCB;text-align:center;" |'''3'''|| [[Keepers of Trogdor]]
| style="background-color:#CBFDCB;text-align:center;" |'''9'''|| [[Don't Forget to Recharge]]

|- style="font-size:smaller;"
| style="background-color:#CBFDCB;text-align:center;" |'''4'''|| [[The Wraparound]]
| style="background-color:#CBFDCB;text-align:center;" |'''10'''|| [[The Troghammer]]

|- style="font-size:smaller;"
| style="background-color:#CBFDCB;text-align:center;" |'''5'''|| [[Surround the Cottages]]
| style="background-color:#CBFDCB;text-align:center;" |'''11'''|| [[Forget the Rules]]

|- style="font-size:smaller;"
| style="background-color:#CBFDCB;text-align:center;" |'''6'''|| [[Peasant Spawning (is Confusion)]]
| style="background-color:#CBFDCB;text-align:center;" |'''12'''|| [[Trogdor's Fiery Rage]] ([[Trogdor's Fiery Rage (video)|video]])
|}
I thought this album should have a template of its own to match [[Strong Bad Sings and Other Type Hits]]. On {{t|KickstarterVideos}}, then, we could just have a single link to [[Trogdor!! The Board Game Rulebook EP]] in a "music" section, along with [[Trogdor Was Dragon Man]]. Thoughts? {{User:Lira/sig}} 01:38, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
:Well, the template sure looks nice and clean, and it's a nice way to organize all those pages all tightly and neatly. I say go for it, and tuck it on the bottom of every page linked on it. -- [[Special:Contributions/68.37.43.131|68.37.43.131]] 02:18, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
::I did slightly prefer the change made to the Strong Bad Sings template, so I'm leaning in favor of this too. Regarding {{t|KickstarterVideos}}, perhaps the three EP videos could remain on the template, since they still adhere to the "Videos" title? {{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 02:36, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
:::I agree (with both Lira and DEIDATVM). {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 02:56, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
::::I agree with all of you! By which I mostly mean myself and DEIDATVM. I'll go do it. I decided on the colors in the template rather hastily, so that's open to rethinking. {{User:Lira/sig}} 03:40, 26 October 2019 (UTC)
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 ==Styles==
 Can someone fill in the "Style" sections on the song pages? I did a few of them, but I'm not very good at genres. {{User:Gfdgsgxgzgdrc/sig‎}} 05:48, 19 May 2019 (UTC)
-:I also added a few, and left a few:
-:*[[The Actions You Can Do]]: Completely stumped on this one. [[Secret Song]] is similar in terms of instrumentation, but that's labeled a "Love Song", which is a classification unrelated to instrumentation and which doesn't really fit here.
-:*[[Peasant Spawning (Is Confusion)]]: The genre sounds familiar but it's on the tip of my tongue.
-:*[[Don't Forget to Recharge]]: I feel like I'd call this the "default Homestar genre" of music but I'm not sure if I can give a name to that genre.
-:*[[Trogdor's Fiery Rage (song)|Trogdor's Fiery Rage]]: [[Brainkrieg]] seems snarled in classification between "death metal", "grunge", "hardcore punk", and there's even a page that calls it "stoner rock". Unfortunately I don't know enough about those genres to definitively classify it.
-:{{User:DEIDATVM/sig}} 15:05, 20 May 2019 (UTC)
 ==Merge Video and Visuals==