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:Well, we don't know what paper it was, and either way, we don't list the Paper (or any pseudocharacter) in the cast under normal circumstances anyway. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:14, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
:Well, we don't know what paper it was, and either way, we don't list the Paper (or any pseudocharacter) in the cast under normal circumstances anyway. --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 20:14, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
A separate question, I see many times mentioned that we don't know it was New Paper.  Why not?  Don't we know that the (old) Paper got burned up by a spark from Homestar's Computer when SB poured the MD on it?  -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.86|132.183.138.86]] 21:10, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
A separate question, I see many times mentioned that we don't know it was New Paper.  Why not?  Don't we know that the (old) Paper got burned up by a spark from Homestar's Computer when SB poured the MD on it?  -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.86|132.183.138.86]] 21:10, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
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:However, the old paper did return in Sb_mail 200, and it was previously burned, so it is possible that it could come back from the dead... That, or since it "trancends time and space" it could have time travelled some how...--[[User:Robotguy4|Robotguy4]] 07:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
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However, the old paper did return in Sb_mail 200, and it was previously burned, so it is possible that it could come back from the dead...
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::Ok, in order to prevent edit wars from erupting all over the wiki, I wish to get this vital paper business sorted out once and for all.
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That, or since it "trancends time and space" it could have time travelled some how...--[[User:Robotguy4|Robotguy4]] 07:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)
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::First of all, let us state what we already know:
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::#[[The Paper]] dies for the first time in [[the paper]].
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::#[[New Paper]] is beaten up by The Paper, which briefly comes back from the dead before dying a second time in [[email thunder]].
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::#An unnamed paper dies in [[hremail3184]].
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::#[[Virtual Paper]] takes over from [[independent]] onwards. Both The Paper and New Paper have now been written out.
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::Now, let us assume first that it was The Paper who dies in hremail3184. That would mean it would have died in two successive emails, and three times in total. Do you think that's likely? Would TBC have gone through the effort of killing off The Paper a second time, then secretly bringing it back to life yet again without telling us, just so they could kill it off a third time? And what of New Paper? Why doesn't it come back in independent? Does it die from The Paper's attack in email thunder or does it just go away forever?
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::If, however, we assume that it was New Paper that dies in hremail3184, then things get a lot more straightforward. The Paper dies (again) in email thunder and then New Paper dies in the following email. Thus, I'd say the most simple explanation is most likely ([[Wikipedia:Occam's razor|Occam's razor]]) and that it was New Paper that died in hremail3184. I know some of you may dismiss this as speculation but we need to come to some form of general consensus as to what happened at the end of this email. {{User:The Chort/sig}} 15:04, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
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:::The humor in that gag IS that very ambiguity. The point is that you don't know which one it is, and that it could have been and was most likely both. To speculate about it is to defeat the joke. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 15:19, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
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::::Isn't that very ambiguity exactly the reason why we need discuss the events at the end of this email in the first place? I don't see why we shouldn't discuss what happened in case we defeat the joke. There are certain articles on this wiki (e.g. [[Envelope Paper]], [[Virtual Paper]]) where it is necessary to state which paper died in this email, which is why I feel this is a big issue. I stick with my argument; although we don't know which paper died here, we can work it out using a process of elimination. There have been two papers which have died. If The Paper clearly died in email thunder, then New Paper must have died in the following email (and if they both died, that still means that New Paper died in this email). {{User:The Chort/sig}} 18:32, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
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:::::No, that very ambiguity is the reason that any such discussion is speculation, and UNNEEDED speculation at that. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 19:45, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
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::::::I would argue that it's not speculation, but inference.  (and REASONABLE inference at that). -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.151.119|132.183.151.119]] 20:06, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
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== I can't BELIEVE nobody picked this up. ==
== I can't BELIEVE nobody picked this up. ==
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:I can see what you mean.  If you're able to word it understandably, feel free to add it to references. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.86|132.183.138.86]] 21:11, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
:I can see what you mean.  If you're able to word it understandably, feel free to add it to references. -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.86|132.183.138.86]] 21:11, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
::Why is no one doing it yet? --[[Special:Contributions/69.19.14.29|69.19.14.29]] 02:31, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
::Why is no one doing it yet? --[[Special:Contributions/69.19.14.29|69.19.14.29]] 02:31, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
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:::And doesn't the Pop-Tart look more like a Pillsbury Toaster Strudel? --[[Special:Contributions/69.19.14.31|69.19.14.31]] 14:44, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 
== Possible Popeye reference? ==
== Possible Popeye reference? ==
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The image we use doesn't seem to sum up the email. I was thinking more along the lines of the blast-wavey saturn-ring explosion, but before the Lappy appears so not to ruin the surprise. The image of that existed at one point. Should we change it and, if so, where is the image now? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 16:45, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
The image we use doesn't seem to sum up the email. I was thinking more along the lines of the blast-wavey saturn-ring explosion, but before the Lappy appears so not to ruin the surprise. The image of that existed at one point. Should we change it and, if so, where is the image now? --[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 16:45, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
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:That image was probably put there to avoid spoilers or something. We should probably change it. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 16:47, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 
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::[[:File:lappysplosion.PNG|Is this the image you were talking about?]] {{User:Strongkinghomsarsmith/sig}} 16:55, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 
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:::I agree that we need to change the summary-image. We advertise it enough as a Strong Bad Email to make the current image a last-ditch effort to hide anything. Yet, the explosion itself is a bit of a spoiler. A picture of the Steak Sandwich would be a bit more fitting. --[[Special:Contributions/76.224.216.122|76.224.216.122]] 17:03, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 
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::::The steak sandwhich, too, is a one-off-joke-style image. Besides, the exlposion doesn't show the Lappy, so it is anyone's guess what is happening. It doesn't spoil much, or anything really.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 17:26, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
 
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== Disputed fact ==
 
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I added the following to the remarks section: 
 
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*The montage of Strong Bad's computers exploding does not feature the explosion from [[Biz Cas Fri 3]]. 
 
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and it was removed by another user, with the explanation "it's puppet stuff and would look out of place".  Now I know I'm a bit biased because I was the one who wrote it, and I'm not on here very often so I'm probably not as familiar as others with how this place works, but I don't think that's a good enough reason to hard-delete the fact.  I think even though there's an explanation for it, it's still notable, since as far as I can remember it's the only computer explosion not included in the scene.  What do you guys think?  -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 21:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 
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PS sorry if I come across as doing this just because I'm upset because my fact got deleted, That's probably a factor, but I also wanted to make sure this was handled the right way.  -[[User:Ingiald|Ingiald]] 21:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 
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:Strong Bad said that the explosions came from his 'very own computers', the computer used in Biz Cas Fri wasn't a computer he used, just one he owned or checked legit emails on. That could be a reason they didn't put it in. --[[User:SallyShally|SallyShally]] 00:45, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 
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::Also, because it's and not from a [[sbemail]], which all the rest are from. And it's puppet Strong Bad, not the real one. {{User:Theycallmefree/sig}} 00:47, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 
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:::I find it funny that the puppets, which used an actual computer in their toons, are in contrast to the "real" toons, which use an animated computer... {{User:E.L. Cool/sig}} 05:21, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 
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== I've been here for years ==
 
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:''Homestar's repeating the phrase "Don't call it a comeback", is a reference to the first line of "[[WIkipedia:Mama Said Knock You Out (song)|Mama Said Knock You Out]]" by [[Wikipedia:LL Cool J|LL Cool J]].''
 
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I'm not so sure. First of all, yes, both have the same five words, but the context is so different that I think it could just be a coincidence. In the song, we're told "don't call it a comeback" because he's trying to say that he never left. In the email, Strong Bad ''does'' call it a comeback because there was in fact long hiatus, and he has no problem calling it that. I don't know why Homestar doesn't want Strong Bad to call it a comeback. Maybe he thinks calling anything a comeback is lame. Maybe he doesn't want Strong Bad to make a comeback so that he, Homestar, can continue his own email show with no competition. In any case, without a mention of rap or a nod to the fact that Strong Bad's been here for years, I think it's just literal words, not a reference. If for some reason the joke were rephrased as "I." "Don't say you love grapes." "Love." "Don't say you love grapes." "Grapes!" "*sigh*", it would be exactly the same joke to me. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 23:33, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 
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:Agreed. I always understood it as Homestar wanting to continue being the email show guy. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 23:40, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 
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::I think it could be a reference.  I immediately thought of the song when I saw the toon and came here to check if the reference was already in place.  I don't think because the toon doesn't reference rap or being around for years that doesn't mean those five words can't mention a rap song.  For instance, these four recent news articles
 
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::# [http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/jul2009/tc20090730_553952.htm Motorola: Don't Call It a Comeback—Yet]
 
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::# [http://industry.bnet.com/pharma/10003346/amgen-q2-dont-call-it-a-comeback-call-it-a-growth-story-in-more-ways-than-d-mab/ Amgen Q2: Don't Call It a Comeback, Call it a Growth Story (In More Ways Than D-Mab)]
 
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::# [http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124880772148587627.html Don't Call It a Comeback? CMBS Re-Emerge]
 
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::# [http://www.idahostatesman.com/business/story/837643.html Don't call it a comeback: Used SUVs rebound]
 
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::have those five words in their titles and have nothing to do with rap songs and don't mention being here for years, but I still think they're referencing the song while talking about comebacks in other fields (finance, automobiles, cartoon emails, etc.) -- [[User:Tom|Tom]] 23:52, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 
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:::What also helps sell it as a reference is the rhythm of the words ("Don't ''call'' it a ''come''back") is same in both how Homestar says it and in the song. {{User:Wbwolf/sig}} 15:27, 26 August 2009 (UTC)
 
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::::that doesn't mean anything. that's just how "don't call it a comeback" would normally be emphasized if you're trying to say it fast. If you're not trying to say it fast, there would also be an emphasis on "don't", but all the others would be the same. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 22:53, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 
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== Greasemonkey ==
 
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I'm not sure if this is the right place to mention it, but I thought I should...mention it.  The arrows that appear in the bottom corners of the screen when you view sbemails with [[User:Phlip/Greasemonkey|Phlip's Greasemonkey script]] seem to omit hremail3184, instead leading to "sbemail201.html", a 404'd page.  It's not a big problem, but probably worth fixing.  I'd fix it if I could (or had any idea how to). [[User:Omnisweater|Omnisweater]] 22:48, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 
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:The latest version of the script already handles this. If you have update-checking turned on in the preferences, it should automatically tell you that there's an update... if it's turned off (or not working for some reason) then try {{p|l={{FULLURL:User:Phlip/Greasemonkey|action=raw&ctype=text/javascript&fakeextension=.user.js}} reinstalling it}}. {{User:Phlip/sig}} 01:08, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 
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::Okay, thanks. [[User:Omnisweater|Omnisweater]] 04:46, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
 
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== Said WHAT like "ptoo"? ==
 
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I hear "Said a-like", not "Said it like". {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 03:27, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 
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:Said a-like. definitely. {{User:The Knights Who Say Ni/sig}} 05:30, 4 November 2009 (UTC)
 
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== Dooj! ==
 
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How does it come that the button [[Strong Bad]] presses says "Dooj", and where did [[The Brothers Chaps]] get the word "Dooj" from? --[[Special:Contributions/83.188.255.201|83.188.255.201]] 09:53, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 
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:From the [[Onomatopoeia]] page, it originates from [[Strong Bad is a Bad Guy]]. There is a Fun Fact for it in the Inside References section. {{User:Elcool/sig}} 15:17, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
 
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==Internet?==
 
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Should the goofs say that, when we see the back of the closed lappy, it is NOT plugged into the Internet, but Strong Bad can still check his email? I'm pretty sure the Lappy doesn't have wireless capability...
 
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[[User:Snails4you|Snails4you]] 18:07, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 
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: He was able to check emails from Marzipan's kitchen while the Lappy wasn't plugged in. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 18:54, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
 
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== I'd like a trip to the Oosa ==
 
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I'm not sure on the possibility of it, but do you think USA as Oosa is a reference to the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fonejacker Fonejacker] character Mr. Dooved who always pronounces acronyms and abbreviation as they are spelled? In one episode he said that he wanted to fly to the '''Oosa''' talking about the USA. [[User:Geonightman|Geonightman]] 02:58, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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:I doubt it. It's a pretty common [[snopes:business/genius/usa.asp|concept]]/joke. In fact, I saw something similar just four days ago on 30 Rock. — [[User:It's dot com|It's dot com]] 03:07, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
 
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== Callback to April Fool 09? ==
 
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Having just watched [[April Fool 09]] for the first time in a while, the use of "cleary" as a misspelled "clearly" in that toon made me wonder if Cardgage's "Beverly Clearly" here could be a subtle callback to that toon. '''''[[user:Kyojikasshu|kyojikasshu]]''''' 06:57, 13 January 2011 (UTC)
 
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== Tandy 400 contrast ==
 
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If you have Greasemonkey(or a Flash decompiler) and pause right before the Tandy 400 explodes, you can click the contrast buttons. --[[Special:Contributions/83.240.82.223|83.240.82.223]] 18:36, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
 
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== Because someone didn't believe me ==
 
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Here's a link http://snltranscripts.jt.org/05/lostfound80s6.phtml go ahead and hit ctrl-f "the nude" and see how unusual and distinctive this line was, and how it is almost certainly a quote being referenced.
 
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:It is irrelevant whether this phrase originated there. According to a simple Google search it is now in common use. There is no allusion to SNL in the hremail, so there is absolutely no reason to assume that this is a direct reference. Please refrain from putting this back in as a fact.{{User:Loafing/sig}} 02:36, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 
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== Doom Ref ==
 
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Given their love for Doom and multiple references to it, do you think the POV shot of Bubs using a Double Barrel Shotgun shooting the Compy is a reference to the POV of using the Super Shotgun in Doom II? --[[User:Geonightman|Geonightman]] 21:07, 29 June 2019 (UTC)
 

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