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Nice project: I don't want to add anything you don't like, but here is my thoughts:
Nice project: I don't want to add anything you don't like, but here is my thoughts:
*"AaAaAaAaAaAaA!!! I'm saving the best for last!" - One scorpion goes into his mouth and I guess he likes to eat them.
*"AaAaAaAaAaAaA!!! I'm saving the best for last!" - One scorpion goes into his mouth and I guess he likes to eat them.
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Thoughts? {{User:Religious Corn/sig}} 00:42, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Thoughts? {{User:Religious Corn/sig}} 00:42, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
:I can't make a logical rebuttal to an argument that says "it just sounds valid even though the two sentences don't mean the same thing". This is indicative of the general problem that exists with this page, which we have been discussing up above. Homsar says something totally crazy, someone comes up with some metaphorical-esque interpretation, and everyone else looks at it and goes "oh, that makes sense". It reminds me of modern art. Throw a bunch of paint-filled balloons at a canvas, then tell everyone the picture represents "the chaos within" or some such, and people will buy it. Well I don't buy it, and i seriously think the concept of this page needs revisiting. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 04:49, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
:I can't make a logical rebuttal to an argument that says "it just sounds valid even though the two sentences don't mean the same thing". This is indicative of the general problem that exists with this page, which we have been discussing up above. Homsar says something totally crazy, someone comes up with some metaphorical-esque interpretation, and everyone else looks at it and goes "oh, that makes sense". It reminds me of modern art. Throw a bunch of paint-filled balloons at a canvas, then tell everyone the picture represents "the chaos within" or some such, and people will buy it. Well I don't buy it, and i seriously think the concept of this page needs revisiting. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 04:49, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
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:If I may add to this, I would like to point out that "I left my bacon at the tennis patch," sounds like a typical excuse for going elsewhere in fiction, like "I gotta go...walk...my fish," or "I've got a, um...food...in the oven," or "I gotta go invent chocolate toothpaste." So, if anything, it's just an excuse to leave...maybe. {{User:FCUTRERSTUD/sig}}
 
== Let's take this in another direction ==
== Let's take this in another direction ==
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::::I see this page as a case that is close to what's going on in [[Strong Bad Smiling]]: A page was made with good intentions, spiraled out of control, and now we need to figure out how to separate the factual wheat from the speculative chaff. I really like DeFender's suggestion: When this page was created, Homsar said semi-understandable lines. But more recently, his sentences stopped making sense at all, and we were stuck with nothing to do but document it. Well, now we reached a stage where we can't rationalize it anymore. It's time to cut this article down, and redefine it's scope.
::::I see this page as a case that is close to what's going on in [[Strong Bad Smiling]]: A page was made with good intentions, spiraled out of control, and now we need to figure out how to separate the factual wheat from the speculative chaff. I really like DeFender's suggestion: When this page was created, Homsar said semi-understandable lines. But more recently, his sentences stopped making sense at all, and we were stuck with nothing to do but document it. Well, now we reached a stage where we can't rationalize it anymore. It's time to cut this article down, and redefine it's scope.
::::As for archival - I suggest moving this page in order to preserve it's history, and only then rewrite it. And maybe a link to the last old version of the page somewhere. {{User:Elcool/sig}} 08:02, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
::::As for archival - I suggest moving this page in order to preserve it's history, and only then rewrite it. And maybe a link to the last old version of the page somewhere. {{User:Elcool/sig}} 08:02, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
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:::::If this page is to be removed, I think there should be a more accessible place to archive it than a revision history.  How about moving it to the HRWiki space and putting it in the history category, or something.  As for the proposed replacement, I worry that "making sense" would also be somewhat subjective.  For example, does "Reggie, is that rhinocerous around?" make sense?  At face value, not so much, but Strong Bad interprets the context well enough, (or dare say I, "analyzes the speech pattern"). -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.33|132.183.138.33]] 17:18, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
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:::::If this page is to be removed, I think there should be a more accessible place to archive it than a revision history.  How about moving it to the HRWiki space and putting it in the history category, or something.  As for the proposed replacement, I worry that "making sense" would also be somewhat subjective.  For example, does "Reggie, is that rhinocerous around?" make sense?  At face value, not so much, but Strong Bad interprets the context well enough, (or dare say I, "analyzes the speech pattern). -[[Special:Contributions/132.183.138.33|132.183.138.33]] 17:18, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
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::::::I agree. If we are going to create a page on Homsar making sense, I feel we should also create a section of the page where he doesn't make complete sense, but a logical sentence is able to be formed from his line.
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Or maybe we could divide this page into four sections:
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* '''Lines Making Perfect Sense'''
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* '''Lines Making Some Sense'''
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* '''Lines Making Sense By Themselves'''
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* '''True Word Salads'''
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{{User:Religious Corn/sig}} 03:13, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
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:Religious Corn - I like you idea. It means that we can keep the current article, and just split the table and rearrange its contents. The first and last categories are clear cut, but the two middle ones are might cause arguments. Do you have any prime example for each category? {{User:Elcool/sig}} 05:19, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
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::I'm going to have to speak out against this idea... but if anyone didn't see that coming, they haven't been paying attention to my comments on this page thus far. No, I do not like that idea. It's really just the same as the page we have now ''organized differently'', and every bit as open to obtuse illogical "translations" that really don't make any sense. --{{User:Jay/sig}} 05:33, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
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:::I'm with Jay. This solution is just the problem reorganized. Mind you, I wouldn't necessarily be opposed to doing something like this if we move the current article to another namespace (which I continue to support doing), but not in the article space. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 05:37, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
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::::Yeah, I have to go with Jay. I can easily see this idea devolving into massive edit wars or pointlessly long talk page threads regarding "this line does so make sense!". Besides, if you go with [[Strong Badia the Free]], *everything* he says "makes sense", if just to *him*. As an aside, I now officially declare "Leaving my bacon" to be acceptable slang for surrender. At least on the HRWiki. Are you losing an argument? Maybe it's time to leave your bacon! (All right, all right. End joke.) -{{User:YK/sig}} 08:59, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
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:As per Elcool's suggestion:
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{| border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=2 width="100%" style="border-collapse:collapse"
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! Type !! Quote !! Toon !! Context !! Comments or Possible Translation
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| '''Lines Making Perfect Sense'''
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| "That's a real popular song! Who wants to hear of it fifty times more?"
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| Email [[for kids]] (August 9, 2004)
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| Homsar on his kids' show, ''[[Whaddaya Know, Haddi-Man?]]''
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| No translation necessary.
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| '''Lines Making Some Sense in Context'''
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| "YaAaAaAh, I'm the original ladies' man!"
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| [[The House That Gave Sucky Treats]] (October 27, 2001)
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| Homsar's line after being handed Shavin' Creem.
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| Homsar might be saying that he can appeal better to the ladies if he shaved.
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''(This is my own interpretation. He is [[3 Times Halloween Funjob|open for interpretation]].)''
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| '''Lines Making Sens By Themselves'''
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| "AAAaaaAAAaaa-I'm just in time for the murder mystery!"
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| Email [[suntan]] (June 16, 2003)
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| A "Celebrity(?) Testimonial" of Strong Bad's Ab-Abber 2000. Homsar had used it to draw a calculator with the word "SALAd" on his shirt.
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| Homsar's line does not make sense in this scene, but the sentence itself is coherent.
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''(a suggested addition)''
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The SALAd drawn on Homsar's shirt may reference that this could be a word salad.
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| '''True Word Salads'''
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| "Caramel corn for president, please."
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| Email [[rampage]] (April 11, 2005)
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| Homsar gives "praise" to Strong Sad at his Poetry Slam.
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| As praise, this sentence makes little sense. On its own, it also doesn't make much sense, though it is fairly close to "Kernel/Colonel Corn", which is a common joke.
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{{User:Religious Corn/sig}} 23:25, 6 November 2009 (UTC)
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:Somehow, that strikes me as... exactly the same thing. Moreover, everything is *still* open to interpretation; what may "make sense" to one person, may not to another. Hence the conflicts we're having. Somehow, I can't see this setup placating Jay, either. -{{User:YK/sig}} 03:20, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
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::This is just a rearrangement of the same content. Reorganization is not a solution if the problem is with the content itself rather than the organization of the content. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 23:48, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
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:::The first, like, six entries in this discussion are largely my opinion, so I don't really have anything to add besides "let's get rid of this thing already ._.". --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 07:43, 8 December 2009 (UTC)
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:::: I personally find this article very useful. It is interesting, in-depth, too long to merged and well researched. While some sentances that are entire word salads are explained by Wild Mass Guessings, I feel that the article as a whole is worthwhile and good the way it is. I'm not ready to leave my bacon on this yet.
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:::: A solution: narrow our scope of "intelligible". If it makes sense in context, it is intelligeble. If it involves coherent nicknames, like That Rhinorsorus, it is intelligible. If we assume that being the local leeroy means being ready to fight, I say we hit ourselves with a brick. Therefore, I conclude that this page needs to '''narrow the scope of "sense-make"''', as that would make this the facts and only the facts.--[[User:Jellote|Jellote wuz here]] 00:57, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
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::::: But to do that would either necessitate a name change or leave a lot of blank/generic "irrelevant" entries. Fortunately, I've already said that I'd be fine with a scaled-down-to-reasonable [[Homsar making sense]], which is basically what you're suggesting (correct me if I'm wrong). --{{User:Jay/sig}} 02:15, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
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:::: Jellote and Jay, I like your ideas. They make sense to me. Maybe we could split this page up into Homsar Making Sense, using Jellote's idea, and then we could still leave this page and organize the rest of the entries according to how much they make sense. {{User:Religious Corn/sig}} 18:25, 12 December 2009 (UTC)
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:::::No, you basically just suggested the same thing. Once again, how much sense his lines make is entirely debatable. What was suggested is not simply to reorganize the page based on "how much Homsar's lines make sense"; it's been noted already that some people think it "makes sense" that "leaving one's bacon in the tennis patch" means "surrendered and left for important reasons", despite having *no* connection to that concept whatsoever. No, the idea here is to get *rid* of all the baseless speculation, and simply narrow it down to the few times in which Homsar has made *complete* sense. As it stands, this page is entirely un-encyclopedic, and frankly, borders on fanstuff. It basically boils down to the fact that this page has only been allowed to exist as long as it has because Homsar is everyone's favorite character; he seems to get a surprising amount of leeway on this wiki, on the whole, I've noticed. I don't like this. He's weird, he's funny, he's awesome, but he's not the central focus of Homestar Runner, and I do not think he deserves the special treatment we've been giving him. -{{User:YK/sig}} 19:41, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
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So, after all this discussion: here's what's come out of this: Consensus is decidedly against this article remaining as is. More than one person has spoken favourably of the idea of an article about Homsar making complete sense, though. Others have spoken of not wanting this article to completely die. And in fact, this article actually originated in the userspace, and a [[User:DorianGray/Analysis_of_Senor_Cardgage%27s_Speech_Patterns|strikingly similar page]] is still in userspace today drawing no real objections. It seems to me, therefore, that the proper solution for this article is to put it in the userspace as well. DorianGray has told me he's willing to host this page in his userspace, so I am moving it there. In light of the discussion, it would be appropriate to make the [[Homsar Making Sense]] page some have supported, but I'll leave that to others, since I'm not really sure how this page would go down. {{User:Heimstern Läufer/sig}} 09:27, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
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:Finally not in the main namespace, and if it has to be in my userspace for that to happen, that's okay. =3 Thanks for moving it for me. And don't think I'm locking it or anything, <strike>ladies and gentlemen</strike> [[Flashforward|gentlemen and, like, two ladies]]. It's still totally open for anyone to edit it whenever you like. ''I'' sure won't be keeping it up-to-date very often. =3 --[[User:DorianGray|DorianGray]] 09:38, 1 January 2010 (UTC)
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== Well, here is my opinion ==
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On the one hand, I could see how it would make sense to add this to Homsar's Page. But I for one think its just a bit too long to be added to Homsar's Page. So, maybe we should keep it. {{User:Crab Attack1999/sig}} 02:41, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
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== Deletion ==
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This article was around for a while; why was it moved out of the mainspace? [[User:RickTommy|RickTommy]] 21:56, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
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:There's a rather large discussion about it's move just a little up from here, in case you didn't see. {{User:StrongAwesome74/sig}} 22:10, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
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== SBCG4AP Doesn't Count. ==
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As far as I can see, most of the "nonsense" homsar quotes come from SBCG4AP. This is also one of the few times that a character has expressed outright confusion towards homsar's speech. Considering that the Bros. Chaps were not the only writers for the games, I think we should consider adding a notice somewhere that SBCG4AP quotes have a tendency to make less sense than they do on the website because of having different writers, and stop speculating about what that nonsense could mean. [[Special:Contributions/66.51.249.18|66.51.249.18]] 00:33, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
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== Leroy ==
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Homsar calles himself a local leroy. In a lot of these forensics shows, they always talk about 'the local LEOs (law enforcement officer)' H-sar then calles someone 'officer' later. Connection, perhaps? [[Special:Contributions/98.111.92.154|98.111.92.154]] 23:32, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
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:Or maybe it's a reference to Leroy Jethro Gibbs from NCIS. {{User:DeFender1031/sig}} 08:30, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
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::Or maybe we should just ignore it. It's something random that Homsar said. We shouldn't make sense of it. Also, this was brought up above. --[[Special:Contributions/209.148.176.136|209.148.176.136]] 11:50, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
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== Pucker up, dice man! ==
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I've been thinking about this line a bit, and the more I think about it, the more this seems to make sense.
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Perhaps "Pucker Up, Dice Man" means "kiss my axx, risky man" (or a sound "no"). Pucker up and kiss my butt are fairly obvious (Or rather, pucker up to kiss my butt). A "dice man" could be a gambler, one who takes (foolish) risks. "I'm as upholstered as I want to be" could mean Homsar's comfortable with things the way they are.
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And, yes, I realise it ultimately gets translated anyway, but I'm still entertained by the opportunity to dissect this sentence.
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GenghisKhan44 [[Special:Contributions/97.121.71.81|97.121.71.81]] 07:51, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
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Oh, and your defense of Homsar's speech patterns reminds me a bit of the defence of Innocent Smith in G.K. Chesterton's "Manalive". Homsar seems guilty of word salad (or murder of the English language :3). But when we examine his statements closely, we see he is not breaking the English language. He is merely using it in an uncustomary way. ^.^ GK44[[Special:Contributions/97.121.71.81|97.121.71.81]] 08:05, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
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== And for that matter ==
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I don't take the SBCG4AP translations of Homsar's phrases as word of God (simply because some Telltale folks may have been involved in writing them). I think they might be the most direct way to say what Homsar says (or perhaps Strong Bad's interpretation of it), but I think a lot has been lost in the translation.
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'''"AaAaAaAaA, try some caked-on makeup from yesteryear!"'''
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"Caked-on makeup" could be the "sacred elemental artifacts" being buried in the ground. (After all, Strong Bad did dig up three of four of the artifacts, and Bubs might have procured that pottery shard from an archaeological excavation.) Yesteryear makes sense.
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So ultimately, "Try some caked on makeup from yesteryear" could be best translated as : " (Try to) dig up the buried ancient sacred artifacts."
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'''"Sign me up for soccer class, Debra!" '''
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I've thought about this one, too. The game translates "for soccer class" (IIRC) as "talking gibberish". We know Homsar is ultimately asking what the heck Strong Bad is talking about.
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"Debra", like "dice man" (hey, they both start with "d") is referring to Strong Bad.
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"Sign me up for soccer class" might be asking Strong Bad to teach Homsar what the "gibberish" means. This is only speculation, but perhaps Homsar is not good at soccer, and so thus Strong Bad's gibberish would be analogous to it (because he simply didn't get soccer, or this gibberish).
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So perhaps "Sign me up for soccer class, Debra!" could be Homsar's way of saying "Can you teach me what you're trying to say, Strong Bad?"
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GenghisKhan44[[Special:Contributions/97.121.71.81|97.121.71.81]] 08:40, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
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==Strong Bad's imagination==
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Why is the email different town the only one that mentions Homsar's appearance in that case being in Strong Bad's imagination? Since it's probably valid to assume that Homsar doesn't actually -have- his own TV show, and since Mount Ridesplace doesn't actually exist, shouldn't these receive the same notation, since they're presumably both set in Strong Bad's imagination as well?
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== A Healthy Piece of Real Estate ==
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I just realized that, in a certain context, Homsar's line from [[for kids]] makes perfect sense.
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When the "g" appears on screen, it takes up about one-eighth of the screen (not including the shadow). In terms of whatever else can be shown onscreen at the same time, the "g" does in fact take up a good deal of real estate. (By comparison, so does Homsar himself.)
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In this context, Homsar could be talking to whoever designed the graphics (or to the director), saying that the "g" is unnecessarily large. Alternatively, he could be trying to give the audience a truthful glimpse at the difficulties that go into the show's production ("...I'm ''not gonna lie'' to ya...").
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It's interesting how when the Brothers Chaps try to make Homsar's speech patterns nonsensical, the community can still tease an actual meaning from it. --{{User:Purple Wrench/sig}} 23:52, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
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== Update ==
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The last entry is from five years ago. Please update. [[Special:Contributions/76.102.80.126|76.102.80.126]] 18:12, 2 November 2015 (UTC)
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