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Verbosity in edit summaries, or: Geez, I didn't need your freaking life story, man

Dear SRMX12, thanks for helping build the Homestar Runner Wiki! You're doing a great jorb. I wanted to take a sec to talk about your edit summaries. First of all, this is not a complaint! It's just an observation and a couple of suggestions. Feel free to disregard everything I say. So, with that in mind, let me just point out that your edit summaries are very thorough—the most thorough I've seen on this wiki. If there were a prize for that, you'd win it. Now, given the choice between too much and too little, we'd definitely prefer a wordy edit summary over one that was blank or didn't properly cover the edit, but there is a sweet spot that dare I say you're overshooting. You're at about a 9, when you could get by with a 3. Just to pick an example, instead of "At one point someone had 'Pom Pom' as 'Pom-Pom'. I deleted the hyphen," you could put "deleted hyphen" and it would be just as effective. Complete sentences and emphasis on the first person are not necessary—again, they're not wrong, just superfluous maybe. If you're adding content, it's assumed that you're the one doing it (who else would be?) and that the content you're adding is relevant to the page. A bare-bones summary is usually plenty and easier to read (see the example below). If a reviewer needs more info, he or she can click on the diff link to see exactly what you did.

Let me also point out a cool feature of MediaWiki. Whenever you edit a specific section (by clicking the little edit link next to the section instead of the main one at the top of the page), the system wraps the section heading /* Like so */, and it automatically generates a link to that section. (You can also do it manually.) So, for example, this summary:

In the "Homestar's Shoes" section, I added the appearance of one of Homestar's shoes in the new Halloween toon.

could be rewritten like this code:

/* Homestar's Shoes */ added new Halloween toon

and would show up like this in the page history:

Homestar's Shoes: added new Halloween toon

Clicking that little arrow jumps straight to the section. This also works on any page with an id in the code (like Minor Foods). Typing /* Turduckens */ at the beginning of the edit summary would make a link to that spot in the table.

Again, I'm not trying to discourage you from writing lengthy summaries if that's your thing (they do have a certain quaint style). I just don't want you to think that you have to or that they're necessarily better than short summaries. It's one of those things you might not think about unless someone pointed it out, so I did. Cheers, and keep on tranglin'. — It's dot com 19:07, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm sorry about my wordy summaries. I just thought it would be best to be specific so that people would know what I'd changed. I'll keep your advice in mind... I just tend to be a little wordy in general when I write stuff. (I'm sure some of my friends are sick of the long emails I send them sometimes.)
Thanks for wecloming me to the Homestar Runner Wiki!
I'm a bit late to the wecloming party, but seeing as how you only got an implied weclome, I thought I'd give you a clearer one. So... weclome. Exclamation points abounding.
And it looks like you're making some really good contributions to the wiki. Having not been able to check on pages as much lately, I too thank you for helping out.
Finally, I would like to say that I take offense to what User:It's dot com said being verbose can be useful, but it depends on what you do with it. I often make very verbose edit summaries, but they don't simply repeat what I did. The best reason to leave a long summary is to explain why you did something, if it can't be made clear by checking the history or surrounding context. Here's a really good example where it is possible to find out why based on the history, but the amount of backtracking necessary is immense (plus, the people on the site in 2015 aren't always the same people who were here in 2008). Or, make it verbose to add some humor, that's what I do most often, prob'ly doesn't work too well... *trails off*
But seriously, Happy editing! Talkatcha later, --   PURPLE  SHARD * 05:09, 21 December 2015 (UTC) come back, It's dot com, i didn't mean what i said

The Game

This is awesome! Can't wait to see the finished version. HweEloR.png Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 03:42, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks!! I'm glad to know that I'll have at least one Homestar Runner fan that'll appreciate my game when it's complete. :D
Remember, if you're interested, keep checking the teaser for updates! The "blog" in the Notes and Credits section will keep you informed on SBAG4CP's development. I'll also be adding the rest of the main characters to the teaser, as well as giving everyone dialogue when you click on them.
'K, that's my spiel. Thanks again for showing interest!

To sign

Hey there, SRMX12. I've noticed that you've been manually typing out your name every time you write a talk post. An easier way is to simply sign your post by ending it with 4 tildes (~~~~). It'll automatically create a link to your userpage as well as including the date and time when the post was made. Hope that helps! — Defender1031*Talk 20:30, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Your personal images

Really sorry to tell you this, SRMX12, but you're only allowed to have two personal images on your userpage (plus one really tiny image for your signature). You currently have hr pompom.png and sbag4cp.png as your two personal images, and you also uploaded a third image, sbag4ap lappier.png, which is not counted as one of your personal images.

Since you can only have two, you will need to get rid of one of them. If you choose to get rid of "sbag4ap lappier.png", you can mark it for deletion. Or, you can abandon one of the other images and then mark "sbag4ap lappier.png" as a personal image.

Now, which one you get rid of is up to you. However, if I may make a recommendation, I would abandon "hr pompom.png". I am shocked that an image like that isn't found elsewhere on the wiki (at least, not that I can tell), but it's an image from a toon on itself. The other two are images you made yourself, so there's no way they would be used for any other reason on this wiki.

Two things to make your life easier:

  1. You can display any image that is found elsewhere on the wiki on your page, and it won't count as a personal image.
  2. Notice how many images I have on my userpage. None of them are my personal images. I uploaded them all to a Google Sites page and then linked to them.

But yes, please take one of the images off your userpage and mark it for deletion / as abandoned at your earliest convenience. Good luck witchasself and Happy Decemberween, --   PURPLE  SHARD * 19:27, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Hey there! Well, you removed one of the images and that's great! Now you have two personal images on your userpage. That doesn't really fix anything though; you still have 3 personal images, but one just isn't in use. You still need to go to sbag4ap lappier.png and either abandon it or mark the image for deletion. - Catjaz63 22:33, 28 December 2015 (UTC)
Since you apparently haven't marked your image after these two talks, I've abandoned it for you. - Catjaz63 20:43, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

SRMX12's Lament

Hey there, SRMX12! I think that your recent active edits to your user page for your "SBAG4CP Development Blog" are violating HRWiki rules. Now, on the this Wiki, weblogs related to your non-Homestar Runner Wiki activities are prohibited on your user page. And since SBAG4CP is not related to the HRWiki in any way and you've done an edit every day to the blog, I believe that your small little blog is against the rules and should not be on your user page or on the HRWiki. Though, I'm not a sysop, so maybe I'm wrong... - Catjaz63 00:03, 10 January 2016 (UTC)

I'm really sorry if I'm doing something against the rules. I'm relatively new here, and I guess I thought that a person could write anything on their user page as long as it was appropriate. Also, I'm not entirely certain what qualifies as a weblog and what doesn't, but I don't really consider this as a legitimate blog... if this isn't allowed, then is my earlier section about the game allowed?
I'm not sure if you're right about this either, but again, I 'pologize if I'm breaking any rules.
Having a small section about your game is fine; it's a part of you and a project you have. Several users, even some sysops, have parts on their user pages about some of their external projects. However, your weblog is still a weblog, even if it's fictional. - Catjaz63 00:30, 10 January 2016 (UTC)
To elaborate on what you said, I've taken looks at a bunch of other users' pages, and like you said, a lot of them have pretty long sections that have absolutely nothing to do with Homestar Runner. Quite a lot of them are longer than my humble made-up blog. I have trouble understanding why it's just weblogs that are frowned upon. If it's about the number of edits I've been doing, could you explain to me why that's a problem?
Until this is resolved, I won't do any more edits to my blog, but I'm hesitant to delete it until I understand why it's being condemned.
It seems that my intuition is correct and I'm absolute trash at typing.
What I mean basically, is that it's fine to have non-H*RWiki-type stuffs on your User Page, but the constant updates are making me question whether or not your fake "blog" still qualifies as a "blog" by HRWiki standards since it's still a web log of actions, even if they're fake.
A way around this is doing something like Gfd and every once in a while, update your userpage with some fun stuff. However, updates that are literally daily on some occasions could fall under the "no web logs not related to the HRwiki" rule.
tl;dr You're fine fine, but add your posts in batches spaced apart and don't post them daily. (you should be fine if you do that) - Catjaz63 00:11, 14 January 2016 (UTC)
Oh. Oh, I see. That's pretty great. Thanks! I'm glad we could get that resolved. I'm not updating daily, anyway-- just when I make a major-ish update to the game. But I'll follow your advice and post in batches. Preeeeow!

An email for Mr. Pixelated Strong Bad

Also, I'm CoolGuyBug on Scratch, who favorited your projects. And if you want to, you should post your games and animations on the Homestar Fanstuff Wiki. —HweEloR.png Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 04:27, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Thank you so much!! This is the first email I've received. I'll start working on an animation right away, and I'll let you know when it's done. And yes, I'll make sure to post my fanstuff on that fanstuff place. Again, thanks! This is the best birthday present I've ever received :D

Lappier 2016 (has new buttons!)

Sir Mix 12, Yeah, I'm pretty sure we need the crispity-crust of what's goin' on here. Why would it be "burned" and not "engraved"? Is there a better word than the both? Trunks to you, X Y

Well, "engraved" means "carved". Like in a stone and such. The words "DEAR STRONG BAD" were not carved into the toast-- if you look at it, they're burn marks. I hope that clears things up. Also, do you have an account? --Lira (talk) 15:43, 6 March 2016 (UTC)


Hey; nice catch on that run-on in Where's The Cheat?. I noticed in the edit summary that you linked to your user page in a fairly pointed manner to reference something you wrote a few months ago regarding something you fixed that was originally added in the infancy of the wiki. While you were right to fix it, there's no way the user who added it could have seen your expression of irritation about the subject. So, keep up the good work, but maybe loosen up a bit. The Knights Who Say Ni 06:19, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Oh... that's not what I meant. I'm sorry if my edit summary seemed harsh or hostile to you— I guess it was— but I was more joking than anything else. I knew there was no way that whoever that was had seen my user page; I was just making a reference to it to emphasize my dislike of run-ons. In general, my edit summaries can seem sort of harsh, but I'm usually joking. But I suppose I should try to lighten up. Lira (talk) 10:28, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
For the record, while Knights may have missed it, I read it (and most of your other summaries as well), with the jocularity intended. Didn't strike me as out of place. Wouldn't even have thought to comment here if it hadn't been brought up. — Defender1031*Talk 10:35, 30 March 2016 (UTC)
It's fine. Really I just saw an excuse to write a really small revision number in the edit summary, and I thought that was funny. All things aside, thanks for fixing the mistake that has been there for almost twelve years. Good prize. Ding! The Knights Who Say Ni 18:45, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

Go ahead

My claim of the transcript was temporary. I wrote ten messages and stopped. No one has it claimed now (an anonny added Message 11 without claiming it). So go ahead. In fact, I think I have an idea... --Jay (Gobble) 11:40, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

So uh...

Are you going to edit the transcript, or are you already doing it? ---

What he said. --Neumannz 14:03, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I did the same thing last year (really, it was the last April Fools toon), but if you put up that template, you should be saving your progress every 15-30 minutes, so that we know you haven't stepped away. Otherwise, other users are just waiting on you. --Neumannz 14:21, 1 April 2016 (UTC)

Ugh. Sorry about that mess, guys. So here's the total deal: I was awake fairly early this morning before school; watching the toon, checking out the beginnings of the article, and updating other related articles to include the toon; during which time, I requested to do some of the transcript. By the time I saw that you guys invited me to do so, I was at school, with very limited in-between time to edit the article and correspond with you all.
Currently I'm at lunch, and, very crapfully, I accidentally refreshed my browser, and am now unable to access the toon (because h*r dot com is blocked on my school network). So that sucks. I'll be able to pick up the editing again as soon as I get home, and will do so with a vengeance. Again, sorry for the inconvenience/confusion. Lira (talk) 15:20, 1 April 2016 (UTC)


"I have relatively none compared to my good friend Gfdgsgxgzgdrc"... Hey, thanks! (I also hate apostrophe error's. They're the wors't.) HweEloR.png Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 00:08, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

You're welc'! Wow, it's been a while since I've gotten a new message. I need to take a screenshot of the notification next time I get one. Lira (talk) 00:48, 1 July 2016 (UTC)

Testing Subtitles

Hey there. I noticed you've made several consecutive edits to the same subtitles page. While using "show preview" doesn't really help with subtitles, the all-in-one plugin has an option built into it for "Test Subtitles Script", which will allow you to make edits and test them locally before saving, instead of making changes and hoping they work. I figured this information might be useful to you, and I hope it helps. All the best. — Defender1031*Talk 17:04, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Oh... okay, thanks, I had no idea that existed. I'll make sure to use that in the future. While we're on the subject, though— none of my edits have been working. I'm not noticing any difference in dangeresque 3's subtitles. Do you have any idea what I'm doing wrong? Lira (talk) 17:08, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
Some of those edits ought to have produced a DEFINITE change, as they ought to have broken the script completely and made it not work at all. As for those that should be working, I haven't looked too closely (I'll go test them out after I'm done writing this comment), but it's possible that you have the subtitles cached and are still seeing the old ones. The all-in-one also has a button for "Clear Subtitles Cache" which might help. Also, no need to apologize, it's not a big deal, just thought that testing them locally might be more productive for you than saving and reloading, as well as cut down on noise in recent changes. Also, testing it locally will avoid cache issues too. — Defender1031*Talk 17:18, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
One more thing. Regarding what happened with the subtitle header and <pre> tags, the test script feature actually ignores those, so you can actually safely copy the entire wikitext there and play with it, rather than just the xml which you may then accidentally put back without the headers. — Defender1031*Talk 17:24, 1 October 2016 (UTC)
Alright. Thanks for the info. I'm 80% confident that I've worked it out now, but with your advice, hopefully next time I'll be able to do it in one edit instead of five. Lira (talk) 17:32, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Hey there.

Just a quick tip. Be careful when using visbility:hidden and make sure to use in conservatively and only when the joke benefits from the lack of visibility. Your uses have been fine, but just a tip for the future. - Catjaz63 18:48, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Yep, I'll make sure not to overdo it. Thanks for the tip. Lira (talk) 19:06, 1 October 2016 (UTC)

Thanks anyways!

Thanks for great job-ing my subtitles! I'm gonna start working on them again right now... Also, you should probably update your Images section on your userpage. And the Pixstar Runner section, too. HweEloR.png Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 02:16, 30 October 2016 (UTC)

Okay... now they really need to be updated. HweEloR.png Gfdgsgxgzgdrc 20:48, 25 December 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, sorry, thanks. They should be. For real. I'm thinking of sometime just doing a complete rewrite of my userpage, and it'll be updated then. Lira (talk) 20:55, 25 December 2016 (UTC)

Making profile reports

If you want to tell a user that there are similarly named users, use this template!

== So many Homestar Runners talk about {{{enter supposed name here}}}s (this is a profile report) ==

=== All Homestars ===
Welcome to ['s-dot-com!]
==== Homestars 1-64 ====
We saw {{{enter number of users named similarly}}} of you, is that right?
==== Homestars 65-128 ====
There are 256 of us.
==== Homestars 129-192 ====
You are TRULY {{{insert username-related adjective}}}.
==== Homestars 193-256 ====
So are the {{{insert username-related characters here}}}!
---[[Homestar Runner|Users:Homestar Runners]] ([[Talk:Homestar Runner|talk]] • [[Special:Scramble/Homestar Runner|contribs]])


== So many Homestar Runners talk about 1-Ups (this is a profile report) ==

=== All Homestars ===
Welcome to ['s-dot-com!]
==== Homestars 1-64 ====
We saw five of you, is that right?
==== Homestars 65-128 ====
There are 256 of us.
==== Homestars 129-192 ====
You are TRULY negatory.
==== Homestars 193-256 ====
So are the Stinkomans and the Pan Pans!
---[[Homestar Runner|Users:Homestar Runners]] ([[Talk:Homestar Runner|talk]] • [[Special:Scramble/Homestar Runner|contribs]])
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