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Jones being funny

Yarr!! - InterruptorJones 23:05, 16 Jul 2004 (MST)

Seethroo with some questions

Heya, Tom. Do you ever check this thing? What's goin' on with the Wiki? It seems to be going nuts. ~ AgentSeethroo

Yes, I do. And yeah, it's under some strain right now. Crazy. -- Tom 17:51, 2 Aug 2004 (MST)

Cool, cool. I'm gonna be able to help move stuff tonight. AgentSeethroo

Sweet. I appreciate it. -- Tom 18:41, 3 Aug 2004 (MST)

Hey, is there any particular reason I CANNOT get onto Recent Changes on the oldschool wiki? It's seriously gettin' on my nerves. -- AgentSeethroo 14:03, 6 Aug 2004 (MST)

I'm guessing it's just the mySQL overload we've been experiencing. Yeah, bummer. -- Tom 14:05, 6 Aug 2004 (MST)

Woah. I added a pantload...but there are still some organizational things that need to be hammered out...I guess check the comments I made in various places...I'm tired... -- AgentSeethroo 23:11, 6 Aug 2004 (MST)

HOLY CRAP! Who're all those people blocked from this wiki??? I didn't know you were doin' that much blocking already! - AgentSeethroo 15:34, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

Yeah, those are open proxies. You can see the note here and Joey's and my discussion of the topic here. -- Tom 15:47, 11 Aug 2004 (MST)

I wanted to do that for old times sake. Anyway, I kinda discovered something to make transferring things much easier. If you take the code from 'Tavi pages, put em in Word, and then do a ctrl-f, you can have it replace all the parentheses with brackets. Doing things that way, I can get all my links straightened out before I even put the text in MediaWiki. Just sharing... -- AgentSeethroo 15:44, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

Yeah, I do the same thing, except I use TextPad. It helps a bunch. Mostly. Just have to be a little careful. -- Tom 15:48, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)
How're all my edits and transfers? Is there something wrong that I'm doing that I need to be aware of? (did I just say "doing"? -- AgentSeethroo 15:54, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)
You, my friend, are doing a great job. You're really keeping things moving along. Keep up the good work. I'm seriously thinking you are the man right about now. -- Tom 17:24, 12 Aug 2004 (MST)

Note from Firebird

Just wanted to say thanks for all the work put into the move. Great Job! -- FireBird

You're welcome. -- Tom 18:08, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)


Tom: I'm seeing some deletion of redirect pages on the deletion log. It looks like most of those pages will not be missed, but it does help to have some "common" misspelling articles redirect to the proper article. This is not for sloppy linking , as no pages SHOULD link to a redirect page. This is for people who come to the site, punch in a name into the search box and are taken to the correct page.

There is always some debate over what constitutes a common misspelling. I created a redirect from Whats her face to What's her face. This seems useful to me. Let me know what you think about this. Drhaggis 15:42, 15 Sep 2004 (MST)

I agree. The ones I've been trying to catch are old links that were not fixed correctly during the move. Things like "MainPage 10" that were used instead of "Main Page 10" becuase of CamelCase on 'Tavi. The person who created that redirect then went ahead and created one for "MainPage 11", even though nothing linked there. I don't see the need for 21 pages to be created like this. Another example is "sbemail1" and its companions. There isn't a need for that.
Of course, you also have to remember that we turned on case-sensitivity. That means that "What's Her Face" and "What's her Face" are also two completely different pages. I'd rather that a link show up in red and someone pick up on their mistake right away then have them continue to make links to redirect pages. But I suppose it would be very hard to keep a lid on things like this once we get going. -- Tom 15:55, 15 Sep 2004 (MST)
Oh, Contraire! I have often wanted to be able to quickly type "sbemailxx" into the search box to find something quickly. I agree that old camel case links should be removed, but I see nothing wrong with shortcut redirects for the lazy. (I was actually thinking of adding these the other day, then stumbled across this thread. Sorry I'm a little late joining the discussion.) :) --JoeyDay 22:37, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)
I totally agree JoeyDay. I too have wished to quickly type the sbemailxx when I am watching a new toon instead of hving to search the Strong Bad Emails by Name page.-- 12:44, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Uh, this conversation happened over six and a half months ago. Thanks for your input, but this really isn't relevant anymore. -- Tom 00:54, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Note from Jones

{copied and pasted from User:Tom}

I'm just so sick of you being at the top of Special:Wantedpages. So there. Now you're unwanted. -- InterruptorJones 07:49, 3 Sep 2004 (MST)

Thanks Jones. I feel so loved. -- Tom 18:08, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

Notes from Maudi

{both were copied and pasted from User:Tom}

Thank God that you made it, Tom! Thank God! -Maudi Algabban

I agree! -- Tom 18:08, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

Hey, Tom! Have you listened to "Dragostea din tei" with Haiducii or O-Zone? They're from Romania. -Maudi -- 16:28, 19 Sep 2004 (MST)

Sorry, I have to admit that I still haven't. Have you made a userpage yet? Heh heh. But seriously, I know there's some stuff that needs to be attributed to you by being on your userpage. -- Tom 18:08, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)


Oh geez, man, it looks like I disambiguated a page you deleted. Took too long doing it, I guess. I'm really sorry about that. --TheNintenGenius 19:40, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

No problem, I can just re-delete it. And I appreciate you leaving this note. It makes me feel good. -- Tom 19:41, 20 Sep 2004 (MST)

Oh Man

{In reply to a comment from User_talk:Thunderbird_L17}

All that work... I'm really sorry. I was trying to figure out why all my pics looked slightly off. Oh well. I've switched over now. I just wish I hadn't deleted them as I went along... Oh well. I think I'm still doing ok for only being here about a week. Again, my apolagies. And they'll all be PNG from now on. Btw, if you could provide me with a list of the JPG pictures I uploaded, I could replace them in my spare time. Thanks.


Hey, no problem. Here's a good place to get started. Then there's always the Image List. I think that might work best. And I can come up with a better list if you need it. And I'm glad you can see the difference. -- Tom 04:03, 21 Sep 2004 (MST)


Topic Complete.

All of my uploaded JPG files are now PNG. Took a bit of doing, but it's done.

Sebastian Coe

He first ran against Ovett in Prague in 1978 in an 800 meter race that neither won. The next year in Oslo, Norway, Coe set his first world records (in the 800-meter and mile races). One of the most famous races between Ovett and Coe was in the 1980 Olympic Games in the 1500-meters. Coe won in Olympic Record time.

Further References

He beat Ovett's mile record, running it in 3 min 48.53 sec on August 19; only a week later Ovett set another mile record, which was then shattered by Coe with a 3 min 47.33 sec run on August 28.

Here are some of his times in the mile:
mile 3'48''95 1979 Wr (Oslo)
mile 3'48''53 1981 Wr (Zurich)
mile 3'47''33 1981 Wr (Bruxelles)
Note: Wr stands for World Record.

One final reference:

And a quote from you;

"Hmm. [Coe] didn't really run the mile. And he never had the world record."

Could you please cite your references?? As far as I can tell, he not only ran the mile, he also held the world record on three seperate occasions.~Hobo

Um, my bad. But you did notice that I changed my edit after that edit you quoted me on, right? And that I was being particularly ambigious in my wording? Anyway, you are right. No hard feelings. Thank you. -- Tom 19:13, 22 Sep 2004 (MST)
So, were you gonna change it back then? ~Hobo
Done. -- Tom 09:13, 23 Sep 2004 (MST)
Thanks ~Hobo


How about desktop background downloads for the wiki? Anyone who wanted to create one could, then e-mail one of the admins the image. Then the admin, if approved, could upload it into the wiki images. It's just an idea, but I like the sound of it. I'd love to have an HRwiki background. -- FireBird

Hmm. I don't think so. The problem is this, the Wiki is just for information. If you want to make something on your own and then have it somewhere that you could link to from your userpage, that would be better. See, we kind of tread on this uneasy ground with copyrights and the like. Not only that, but there's also the content issue. I know a background that you would make would most likely be good and wholesome for the Wiki and for Homestar Runner, but I wouldn't want to encourage other not-as-good backgrounds to be made. You are always free to make your own backgrounds, keep them to yourself, use them on your computer, and do what ever you want with them.
As of right now, I'll say this: I don't think you will ever have an official Homestar Runner Wiki background. But I'll ask around and see what I can do. -- Tom 19:43, 22 Sep 2004 (MST)
That's fine with me. -- FireBird

Floppy Disks

Since you apparently look after the floppy disk section mostly, I figured you would be the best person to ask. How do you feel about a picture of the floppy disk container and it's label beside every listing of it in the inside jokes section? I would be happy to complete that undertaking if you approve. Also, is there anywhere else I could add some pictures? I'm finished the rejects section.


Floppy Disk Container/StrongBadEmailDiskLabels. Check it out. The problem is this: the Wiki is text-based, and information provided through text makes things much easier to search and quicker to load. I'm not really sure that having a screenshot of every different one is needed. Why would it need to be seen by the viewer? Could they simply watch the toon or email instead? One thing that really needs to be done regarding The Container is having the links to the page standardized. Every Fun Facts section on every email and toon that has The Container in it should link to the Floppy Disk Container page in a uniform way. You could get started on that, if you want. And then there's what the disks actually reference. There's a subpage of the Old Wiki page on that needs to be copied over and gone through with a fine-tooth comb.
Regarding the images, you kind of need to convince me why they are actually needed. Thanks for asking though, this has really gotten me thinking. -- Tom 19:31, 22 Sep 2004 (MST)

Well since you already have the list of where the disk case occurs, it should be easy to find the toons to put the link in. I'll get on it later. As far as the floppy images go, I don't think they're NEEDED per-say, but I think it would be kinda cool. It lets people really VISUALIZE the floppys. They would be really small pics too, not full screen. But if you don't want them I won't put them there. As for other pics though, I have been kind of going through the sites putting pictures on everything, if you don't like any of them, feel free to take them off. I just think that any character, object, or place does need a picture to really visualize what the afforementioned thing is. Most of the pages I did only have one or two pics, with the exceptions of The King of Town's Castle place page, and the Tandy_400 computer page. I kinda may have gone overboard on those ones. Look 'em over and decide. The Monkey_D's page also have a few. If you don't like them you can fix them how you see fit. But the widescreen pic in Strong_Bad's_Basement, I'm really proud of that pic. It took me awhile. -- Thunderbird L17 22:24, 22 Sep 2004 (PST)

Those four pages that you linked to are good. And that basement image is especially good. In some places, it borders on the line of being to much, but I think you played it well. They also could use some small tweaks, but that will all come in good time. As for The Floppies, I think you can make a seperate section on the page for the images and organize them in a table. I actually have all the images, and I can upload them later if you want to use them. (I use them for my avatar on the forum.) What do you think of that? -- Tom 09:11, 23 Sep 2004 (MST)

Okay, it's up and running..ish. Access it from the regular floppy list. If you have the images, feel free to upload them. Any that you don't have, or don't feel like uploading, I can them. Just upload what you want, and I'll do the rest. Oh, and how do you feel about the naming of images in the Floppy_*name_of_e-mail*.PNG uniformity? You can name then however you want, but I think there should be some form of uniformity in naming the image files. Just tell me if this is okay, and if you're done uploading the images you want. Also, they should all be fullscreen screenshots, right?

Thunderbird L17 11:10, 27 Sep 2004 (PST)

Alrightie. Update on the floppy disk container. I've been slowly working away at the Floppy disk container with screenshots page, no help needed there, but as I do so I realized another thing missing from the floppy disk container section, and an actual USEFUL thing, is a breif description and history of the games listed on the floppy disk containers. So that being said, I'm also plugging away at that in my little corner of the floppy disk page. If you would like the commentaries on the main floppy disk page too, which I think would be useful, please let me know so that I can add them to both pages as I go along. No rush though, it'll probably be a few weeks before I'm finished researching them and all. Let me know if you think this would be an improvement to the floppy disk page though. Generally I don't ask permission for editing things, but since you're the senior and keeper of the floppy disk container, I thought it was only fair to ask you. So what are your thoughts?

Thunderbird L17 9:45, 6 Oct 2004 (PST)

I do like the information on what the labels mean, and I wouldn't really call them commentaries. They are all pretty clear cut. Let's see how big they get and then play it from there. Keep them on that screenshot page for now, I don't want to violate HRWiki:Once And Only Once. -- Tom 18:44, 7 Oct 2004 (MST)

Hiho. I've run into a roadblock doing the pics. In the e-mail 'lackey', how did you read, let alone get a picture, of the CD case? It's off the screen! Please let me know, or if you have the pic, simply save it as Floppy_lackey.PNG . Please let me know either way whenever. Thanks.

-Thunderbird L17 10:37, 11 Oct 2004 (PST)

I used a program called Flash Decompiler. It's a free download, so you might want to give it a try. Though I wasn't able to export the actual image, I was able to read the text. But you might have better luck than I did. -- Tom 15:41, 11 Oct 2004 (MST)

Sorry, I don't like treating you like an FAQ, I just have ONE last question. (Probably)... I have the program, but how do you get the file onto it? It seems like you can only decompile files on your harddrive. Is this so? If it is, how do you get a flash file (SB E-mail Lackey) onto your hard drive? If it isn't, how do you get it from the interent? Last question, probably. I promise. Likely.

-Thunderbird L17 7:33, 13 Oct 2004 (PST)

Down the bottom of each toon's or email's page, there's a link for the flash file. Just right click and choose "Save Link As..." or your browser's equivalent. -- Tom 15:57, 14 Oct 2004 (MST)

Thanks, I got it. What do you think of my floppy for Lackey? It's the best I could do... Anyways, I wanted to ask you about the once and only once policy. Though I agree that it's a good policy, I think that the 'see above' thing destroys the look of the summaries, especially once they are all finished. Plus, 'Manhunter New York' appeared in an e-mail at the top, then a toon way at the bottom. So it would be kind of hard to just say 'see above'. Plus since the picture is repeated, why not the explanation? You are the moderater, and whatever you decide I'll abide by, but in this case, since it's only for about 4 floppies, a number that's not likely to be increased, could I just repeat the explanations?

-Thunderbird L17 6:28, 15 Oct 2004 (PST)

You know, I do like the idea of having the information on both. Let's try using a tempate instead. Do you think that will work? -- Tom 18:33, 15 Oct 2004 (MST)

Template? I don't know much about website formating or whatnot. Basically everything I do on the Wiki I learn by looking at how somebody else wrote a code, and then copying that pattern. But if you think the template or whatever will work, go ahead. You were right about floating the pictures to the left, making it into tables, all that kind of thing. Just do what you want, and if I disagree I can always revert. But overall I'm happy with what you do. Does this mean that I can put the repeat explanations on the few pictures though, instead of 'see above'?

-Thunderbird L17 23:49, 15 Oct 2004 (PST)

Okay, here's what I did. I created Template:tongue of the fatman, Template:lode runner, and Template:manhunter new york. Check out the page to see if you like it. Now, there's only one place you need to go in order to change the content that will show up for both floppies. -- Tom 07:41, 16 Oct 2004 (MST)

Okay, that works. I don't really plan on editing them much anyways anymore, once the summary is there. But it looks exactly the same, so it's fine. Btw, I fixed the out of place 3.5 inch disk summary, I found a place for it where it fits nicely. Now nothing has two explanations, and the 5.25 inch disks don't have the same summary twice. (See Second 5.25 Inch Disk Summmary)

-Thunderbird L17 9:09, 16 Oct 2004 (PST)

Very good. Well done. -- Tom 09:10, 16 Oct 2004 (MST)

Hey, can you do the same to Cave Quest (100th e-mail) that you did to Shogun? I can't get it the right size without it pixelating...

-Thunderbird L17 18:33, 17 Oct 2004 (PST)

Heh heh. I already did. You can revert back to my image from here if you like. -- Tom 18:42, 17 Oct 2004 (MST)

Hey Tom, I thought JPG format was to be used for videos and pictures, and PNG for all flash material. Plus I think the JPG looked clearer and brighter. If you really don't want it there, then I'll try another way, but I thought I read somewhere that JPG was preferable for pictures, just not for flash. Is the one JPG really that bad? Please clarify. Thanks.

Thunderbird 06:30, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

Ah ha. There's a little catch here though. We are talking about a screenshot of a movie or image, and not the actual image itself. Screenshots should always be PNGs. The only kinds of JPGs we should have are photos like Image:TheBrothersChapsBandW.jpg or Image:mattchapman.jpg. Perhaps an screenshot like Image:puppetdween.png better illustrates what I'm trying to say. -- Tom 08:35, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

Okay, I getcha. Then I guess I'll just put it back on the old PNG one for now. Thanks. I guess if anything, it adds diversity...

Thunderbird 19:08, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

Alright, I think it's finally done. I have one more little task though that I can't complete on my own. The three templates, Template:manhunter_new_york , Template:lode_runner , and Template:tongue_of_the_fatman are now unneeded, and as such should be deleted, right? I can't figure out how to. If you know of a way, be my guest. Or should they just be left peacefully, until the end of time? -- Thunderbird 09:40, 1 Nov 2004 (MST)

Sorry, I was just going to get breakfast when I finished my summary, and when I finished it I realized there was a stored version that wasn't there when I started. I didn't have time to merge them so I just uploaded mine, and I was going to merge them when I got the chance, which is now. I did notice the picture though, and already put it up. Sorry about that, I don't want to offend anyone. I'm going to merge them right now. I just figured if I put mine in quickly yours is still stored as a past edit, so that way they're both there if needed. -- Thunderbird 12:21, 15 Nov 2004 (MST)

Actually, I never thought about NPOV. While I was doing all this, I used reviews as sources, it's easier to just take the opinions of the writers and condence them. But I think that meathod has given the summaries a multi purpose, to now give you a bit of background about the game for curiosity's sake, but also as a type of mini review, for those who are deciding whether or not to find and play them. It gives the summaries a critical and reviewish type feel. Now to go back and do them all NPOV'D would take some doing, and in my opinion I don't think would be as enjoyable to read. What do you think? Side Note: Since they replaced the 5.25's along with the Tandy, do you think they might replace the 2.5's with CD's along with the comp? UPDATE EDIT: No they didn't, but on Main Page 22 it reveals The Cheat's computer has them. I dunno, just a curious little observation.

--Thunderbird 15:05, 15 Nov 2004 (MST)

I figured since I already started a conversation thread here, I'd ask this under the same topic. Do you have a DVD player built into your computer? Basically the reason is that I need the pics of the Floppy Disk Containers from the DVD Main Menus for the Floppy Disk Container page. If it's got Puppet Time Version, it stands to reason that DVD version would be acceptable as well. I do have the DVD set, but no way of getting screens. (Prefferably 150px or larger). Thanks in advance, [[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]] 15:18, 7 Mar 2005 (MST)

Okay. I do have a DVD player for my computer. But what screenshots do you need? -- Tom 10:10, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

The screens of the Floppy disk Containers on the Main Menus (the CG'd ones) from the DVDS. The Paper did get them, but they decidedly leave something to be desired, and we're hoping you can do better. Hopefully Zoomed and what not. Also, the last Floppy Disk container couldn't be identified, it seems as though it's cut off by the camera. Check the Floppy Disk Container, it's got the base of what I'm looking for there. Any help would be much appreciated. Thanks alot. [[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]] 17:58, 9 Mar 2005 (MST)

Okay, I'll see what I can do. -- Tom 08:32, 10 Mar 2005 (MST)

Return the fanstuff!

I'd like a promise to agree to let me bring back the fanstuff. It doesn't make the wiki complete without it.--No Loafing 16:34, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)

Joey has already replied to this demand. Fanstuff is not approved. -- Tom 19:11, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)
then im leaving. GOOD BYE!--No Loafing, who will only be on the forum from now on. 04:57, 1 Oct 2004 (MST)

Wow. What a crybaby. -- AgentSeethroo 14:43, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

I second that. -- Thunderbird 09:42, 1 Nov 2004 (MST)


Exactly how do you roll a page back to its previous version? I've attempted to do this in the past, and I still haven't figured out how. --TheNintenGenius 19:28, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)

A very good question. I just fixed up the instructions on the WikiTroll page yesterday. Check 'em out. -- Tom 19:32, 30 Sep 2004 (MST)

First time Here? on Log in

Is there anyway to link to the about page on a log in page? It seems that people don't read that page, and it might help new users who log in? Do you agree? -- FireBird

Hmm, that's a pretty good idea. I'll look into that. But what might even be better is if we had some sort of welcoming committee. Would you want to be in charge or something like that? -- Tom 18:55, 7 Oct 2004 (MST)
I think it would be great if we had a welcoming committee (and I wouldn't mind being in charge). -- FireBird
Fantastic, I'm happy to hear it. Just look over what Wikipedia does. We don't need all that stuff, but I'm sure you'll find a way to adapt it for us. -- Tom 19:50, 7 Oct 2004 (MST)
Should I make a page for our own little welcome committee? -- FireBird
Yeah, Hrwiki:Welcoming committee should work nicely. You're in charge, buddy. -- Tom 19:58, 7 Oct 2004 (MST)

SB Email categories

I moved the Category: Strong Bad Email as a sub-category of Category: Strong Bad Filmography. All the emails were in both categories when technically all SB Emails are part of his filmography by default. It cleans up the Strong Bad filmography nicely and keeps the all the emails grouped together. There is only one email that SB is not in, but due to this arrangement will still be included in his filmography, but taking the IMDB as a guide, if someone guest hosts the "Late Show with David Letterman" it is called "Late Show Backstage", but it still shows up on Dave’s filmography. - Drhaggis 09:01, 12 Oct 2004 (MST)

Personally I don't think this really makes sense. An email that Strong Bad is not in should not be in his Filmography, despite what IMDb does. — InterruptorJones[[]]
I agree. -- FireBird
I also found it a bit confusing. Strong Bad, Homestar, and Marzipan are in all of Marzipan's Answering Machines, but I don't think that should be a sub-category of any one of their filmographies. I think it would not be confusing to have every email be directly in Strong Bad's Filmography, except anything, just how it was. It would also be less confusing for someone just looking at any email and thinking to themselves, "Oh, this one isn't listed in Strong Bad's Filmography", since it does not show up directly on the page as it is now with the subcategory. That's really what it comes down to, that Category: Strong Bad Filmography does not show up on the emails. Oh, and the "anything" thing too. -- Tom 11:56, 12 Oct 2004 (MST)

Funny, the IMDB is a suitable guide to determine the precedent for a voice over. To me the Filmography categories are proving to be more trouble then they are worth and a misapplication of the original intent of the category structure. I understand wanting an automatically generated list for the 12 main characters that show up in everything, but it seems from all the other character pages that the Wiki users are more than capable of manually tracking the appearances of even the most obscure psudo-characters.

The stucture:

Character->Filmography->Strong Bad Filmography->Strong Bad Email
makes a lot of sence to me. SB is in all but one email, which can be explained by a note. If having 100+ emails cluttering the SB filmography and being unnessicarily duplicated in the email list and in the email category doesnt bother you, then it wont bother me.
I guess I should get going on Category: Biscuit Dough Hands Man Filmography while I'm at it. - Drhaggis 12:15, 12 Oct 2004 (MST)
Your presentation just now does make a bit of sense. I'll have to see what others think. Though on that other issue, as I understood it, the filmography categories were never supposed to be extended beyond the 12 main characters. Somewhere along the line, this was not explained well enough and the whole thing took off. I think there's over fifty filmographies now. I'd be happy to draw a line somewhere. (Category:The_Alien_Guy_Filmography?) -- Tom 12:24, 12 Oct 2004 (MST)

Thank you!!!!!!!1111oneone

Thank You x 1 Billion ~Hobo

Hey, no problem. -- Tom 15:07, 15 Oct 2004 (MST)

Help Page

I'm confused on where to post questions in the help section. Do we post it on the FAQ Discussion page or somewhere on the Main Page of the help section? -- FireBird

The discussion page of the FAQ. Discussion and "talking" should never really be on a page. The headings on the help page were set up by me back in late July and we never really fleshed them out. I'll fix it now. Thanks for bringing this to my attention. -- Tom 14:20, 19 Oct 2004 (MST)

No Problem. And Thanks. -- FireBird

Notes from The Mysterious Stranger

Hello, Tommy-boy. I'm back, and in buisiness. -- Mysterious-Stranger


If there are subpages, we should use them. Anybody agree? (You have too or else, TOM!)--No Loafing 05:31, 25 Oct 2004 (MST)

No. -- FireBird

Subpages are useful, but only for the right kinds of stuff, like adding an archive to a cluttered talk page, or some temporary user space separate from the rest of your user space for, say, a rewrite of a page. - [[User:furrykef|furrykef (Talk at me)]] 09:56, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)

Who's In Charge Of The Main Page Anyways?

Hiho. I'm not getting much of a response on the Main Talk Page, so I figured I'd go straight to the source, assuming that the source(s) are moderators. Anyways, here's my question. Who's in charge of the Main Page, not so much the look of it, I don't really care about that, but moreso the organization of the links to pages. Now I'm no moderator, but I was curious as to why the links are organized the way they are. Why are Inside Jokes part of Wiki Stuff, Yet Songs part of Knowledge Base? I've been thinking about the layout, and I belive I've figued out a good way of sortage, and am hoping for either a yes or a no. Either one, as long as I can maybe get some kind of explanation as to why they're sorted the way they are, should the answer be a no. Anyhoo, without further ado, I give you my sorting idea...

Basically it consists of the Knowledge Base containing ONLY the things listed on the H*R main page(s), and putting everything left over into Wiki Stuff. It would look something like this, and would have the added bonus of evening the two sections out, leaving External Links on the bottom...

(The Knowledge Base Stuff)

Then this to the right of it: (Perhaps the first part even in an additional section?)

(Perhaps another section here?)

Then the external links in another catergory. Is there any problem with this layout? The idea behind it is that the first section are your main ingrediants, and the second one is things that you can make out of them. I just belive that things such as Rejects and Inside Jokes should be in the same catergory as things such as songs and items. Any answer to this would be much appreciated, and then I'll shut up about it. Thanks alot Tom. -- Thunderbird 02:33, 20 Nov 2004 (MST)

I'm not really sure. Your line of thinking makes sense, however I'm thinking it is our system of classification that really seems to be the issue. Inside Jokes? Rejects? What the heck are those really? Things need to be clearly defined and a system needs to be implimentated to classify things. -- Tom 13:57, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)

Hmmm... Thats a good point. Okay, well at least keep my organizational idea in mind as you go about implementing the changes. And with that, I withdraw from the Main Page arguments and leave it in the rest of the Wiki's capable hands. -- Thunderbird 16:29, 21 Nov 2004 (MST)

STUFF and Fun Facts

As you may have read I have an issue with the STUFF page. I am very glad someone has spearheaded an attempt to control the "fun fact" problem, but I still think that the voting and discussion for disputed Fun Facts should be made on the article's talk page and not on the STUFF page.

If a controversial article like Wikipedia:History of Israel can exist on the Wikipedia by using the Talk page and without resorting to a common page voting system, I think the Homestar Wiki article virus can too.

Now that we have people's attention with the STUFF page I suggest that we move content discussion back to the Talk pages where they belong.

I have created a preliminary template:disputed

It reads as follows:This article contains Disputed Fun Facts

This could be used to let contributors know that there is a dispute, and to direct them to the talk page. The Disputed Fun Facts link should go to a page with the info that furrykef wrote on what is and is-not a good fun fact.

People were not using the talk pages effectively in the past, which is a failure of us the users, not of the talk pages.

-[[User:Drhaggis|Dr Haggis]] 16:35, 26 Nov 2004 (MST)

I completely agree that talk pages are not effectively used by our users. I did read your comment on the talk page and did like some parts of it.
You mentioned there that the popularity of the "Stuff" page is typical of a sloppy discussion forum and not an article based reference guide. I indeed was amazed at all the users who were very interested in voting. It appears that a quick vote and comment is much easier than proposing fixes and improvements.
You also presented the idea that this problem inherent mostly because the Homestar Runner Universe is finite. I completely agree. I also believe this is why some users, instead of improving on articles that already exist, create very small articles for very fringe elements of said universe. While I don't think that the Stool article may be one of these, I'm not entirely interested in proposing other examples at this time.
While this may not be the time or place to discuss your other comment on that talk page about proper classification, I believe it would be important to address that issue with whichever system is accepted for the dealing with fun facts.
As Kef noted in his reply to your comment, the STUFF process was loosely based on Wikipedia's Votes for Deletion process. I do like Wikipedia's VfD process and have participated in it in the past, but as you may notice we don't have a system like this for dealing with the deletion of pages because we are so small. It works for Wikipedia but would simply would not work for us.
Throughout my travels around Wikipedia, I have seen several pages with notices like the one on the Wikipedia:History of Israel page. While I don't believe the scale of discussions here will every reach such a level as that, I am willing to investigate the possibility of using such a system.
If we were to adopt your proposal, I would want some sort of centrally located instruction page. As you mention, this could contain some of Kef's rules from the STUFF page. I'd also want it to list all the pages that are currently going through the process.
Of course, your proposal is in direct conflict with the current STUFF system, which the users seems to have latched on to. I like your proposal, but I'm interested in hearing how you would implement it given the current circumstances.
Thank you for being bold enough to propose an alternative.
-- Tom 17:13, 26 Nov 2004 (MST)

Image Use Policy

Hi, I was just wondering about the special page "Image Use Policy", accessable from the Upload Page. It doesn't seem to have anything on it. Is there any way to fix that? [[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]] 18:35, 7 Dec 2004 (MST)

Good find. I've changed the link so that it goes to HRWiki:Image use policy. -- Tom 09:58, 8 Dec 2004 (MST)
Thanks, I'll get to work on that a bit later. Maybe cut and paste something from Wikipedia and go from there. In other news, were you aware that somebody turned the Floppy Disk Container into a redirect? Is this allowed? Do you condone this? If so, I'm sorry that I kind of hijacked your pride and joy and turned it into my own. I'll make it up to you, somehow... Thunderbird 01:25, 14 Dec 2004 (MST)
I did notice that redirect and decided to not do anything about it. And the only thing we have now regarding images is what is in the screenshot section on the Standards page. -- Tom 11:15, 14 Dec 2004 (MST)

i dont no how to bring a pickchur to my payj. how do yoou do it?

What? -- Tom 00:28, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Son Goku needs help putting up a picture on his user page. (This picture that he uploaded) --BazookaJoe 00:46, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yeah sorry about that. You see, he doesn't really know how to spell very good. Lord Balmung of the Azure Sky 3:47 PM

Uh, right. -- Tom 23:15, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Things Noticed Page

I didn't know there was a fansite wiki, but thanks for telling me! Sorry if I was being to rude about things noticed... -- Guy27 12:02, 20 Dec 2004 (MST)

Poor Images

[In reply to a comment on User_talk:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf]

Yeah, hi. You asked how I made those pictures? Well, I have a screenshot program that only makes Jpegs (which I later save as PNG's), so you can see why the quality would be poor. 'Cause, you know, Jpegs are poor quality. Oh, and I like how you are constanly using WikiPedia links. ---Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf 22:58, 23 Dec 2004 (MST)

Yeah, Wikipedia links are great. I'm curious as to what "screenshot program" you use. What operating system are you running? I know Windows captures raw image files to the clipboard with a simple push of the "print screen" key. These can be used in any image editing program, like the free the GIMP. They turn out much better than other images you uploaded. -- Tom 08:52, 24 Dec 2004 (MST)
[Cross posted at User_talk:Fhqwhgadshgnsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf at 17:54, 24 Dec 2004 (MST)]

I use this thing called Screenshot Utility as my, quote unquote, "screenshot program", if that's what you call those things. But anyway, I'm trying to download a new "program of shots of screens", but the downloading bar's been stuck at 77% for like, 10 minutes, so, I dunno.

About blocking

Hello, Tom! I don't mean to interfere with anything, but I noticed that you blocked for defacing the Main Page when it looks like s/he was restoring it from another troll (and then it was trolled again by that "logan" kid).

Anyway, I really admire the work you've been doing on this Wiki. Gweat job...I mean, gweat job...I mean, gweat job. --FortyTwo 20:41, 27 Dec 2004 (MST)

Yeah man, that's my bad. Thanks. It's been fixed. -- Tom 20:48, 27 Dec 2004 (MST)

Re: Rejects cat

Just got your message. The reason I started the "project" is because, from my view, the Rejected Characters should be flagged not only from the Rejects page, but from their article itself. --Gafaddict 21:26, 28 Dec 2004 (EST)

Your concern is understandable, but the whole "rejects" thing really isn't to Drhaggis and my liking. However I'm mostly at a loss at how to classify these things, but I'll ask Drhaggis, as putting things into categories is his speciality. -- Tom 19:33, 28 Dec 2004 (MST)
I think the "Rejects" page should be deleted. If we as a community have deemed a character or item "article worthy" we simply create the article and categorize it accordingly. I think "Rejects" are a hold over from the old Wiki that is not served by the capabilities of the new Wiki. There are few truly "Rejected" things; Dijjery-Doo for example was rejected by TBC, but he has still popped up in for kids.
The Characters/Items/Places categories are a bit big, and can be grouped into sub categories. - Dr Haggis - Talk 12:51, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)
Okay, sounds reasonable enough to me. However, how do you think we can go about this with minimal damage to the egos of those responsible for said Rejects? And I sure don't want anything to get lost. -- Tom 13:14, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)
I think we just need to delete the "Rejects" list. All the things that were previously deamed to be rejected already have articles so no data is lost, just the well done "...are a waste of time" banners on the page. - Dr Haggis - Talk 13:23, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)
Whoa! Those things really are all categorizied. Okay, the page has been deleted, and all article links to it have been removed. -- Tom 13:36, 29 Dec 2004 (MST)

Rejected Halloween Costumes Task

Hi Tom! Thunderbird here again, with a special task for a few of my fellow users. On the Sketchbook page, in the Museum section of that page, the last picture is a bunch of rejected halloween costume ideas. The caption gives the challenge '10 bucks to anyone who can identify them all'. So what I propose is to identify them all. I've already set up a basic 'top left to bottom right' type list under the 'Description' section, with the two most obvious costumes in it. But can we get the other costumes, and win ourselves $10? Any costumes you know would be a help. Thanks. [[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]] 02:14, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)

Update: The good Doctor Haggis was far faster with that task than I could have ever expected. All the costumes are done with the exception of one: The full body Marzipan. Many think that she is in fact Belle from Beauty & the Beast, but we're not quite sure about that. What are your thoughts? Any better ideas as to who this mystery Marzipans could be, or even just your opinion as to weather or not she's Belle? [[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]] 12:11, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)


Any idea where Stu has been? →[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

Yeah, I do. But you can ask him yourself. His email address is in his profile on the forum, or you could use the MediaWiki user email thing if you have it set up correctly. -- Tom 14:52, 2 Jan 2005 (MST)
Okay. →[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]


I'd say SsSp passed the test. :-) --FortyTwo 23:36, 4 Jan 2005 (MST)

Indeed. Hmm... -- Tom 11:21, 6 Jan 2005 (MST)

Glitch Template

Sorry about that! I was just experemeting w/ overflows, and It turned out that FF coulndent handle it. I didnt know how to deleat it! Firefox crashed while atempting to view it. Also, why dont they have protection on user pages? Couldend a WikiTroll Distroy sombodys page? How do i set →[[User:firefocman|''<small><tt>[[User:firefoxman|<font color=green>FireFox Man</font>]]</tt></small>'']] As my siggi? Thanks, →[[User:firefocman|FireFox Man]]

The Wiki can be edited by any person, but defacement never lasts. And here are the instructions to change your signature. -- Tom 09:31, 10 Jan 2005 (MST)


How does one become a Sysop? It would be nice to be able to ban some Trolls. *chuckles* -Ω Lucas 15:23, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

Certainly not by asking. Teh lame, don't you think? Also, please try to use the "Show preview" button before the "Save page" button. -- Tom 20:18, 14 Jan 2005 (MST)

My Work... Deleted!?

i noticed that you deleted my work on the Marzipan's Answering Machine page.. jw why... -- Always cheating, never speaking, The Cheat

HRWiki:Once And Only Once. Also, we simply don't list parts of things on the main page for something. For example, we don't list every time Strong Bad has said the word "crap" or made fun of Homestar on the Strong Bad Email page. -- Tom 13:24, 16 Jan 2005 (MST)


I hope the contacts that didn't happen over on Wikipedia were going to be good ones. Sometimes I worry that a fan is going to leave me messages about how I'm destroying the articles by removing "important information" about every Homsar Halloween Easter egg or some such. -- Cyrius

Giving props

Tom, you're my hero. -- FortyTwo 15:37, 19 Jan 2005 (MST)

Sweet. Thanks. -- Tom 23:43, 20 Jan 2005 (MST)
I second that. You're everyone's hero. →[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]
Yay for TOM!!! Thunderbird 00:42, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

I don't know why we're cheering, but I'm good for it. HOORAY FOR BOX! I mean Tom. Hooray for Tom. Cheatachu72

Re: huttah!

You're right but wrong. You were correct that there was no evidence of a camera in The Cheat's room. However, my comment on the non-revert was due to the fact that the writer essentially plugged a personal comment into the middle of the transcript (which is NOT acceptable); upon seeing that, I admit that I barely read it. --Jay 15:31, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)

Understood. And you are right. I did not revert back to the writer's version, and did remove the commentary-like style. Thanks Jay. -- Tom 21:30, 22 Jan 2005 (MST)

Admin nomination

I'm not sure what ratio of administrators to users you are planning on maintaining, but I think FortyTwo would make an excellent admin. Consider this a formal nomination. - Dr Haggis - Talk 23:15, 26 Jan 2005 (MST)

Cool, I'll take this into consideration with the other admins. I'll keep you posted -- Tom 12:57, 28 Jan 2005 (MST)

Back In The Lab Again

How have you been? I have been busy as crap recently. Whats happened with the wiki recently? --DeLoreanz1 14:06, 8 Feb 2005 (MST)

I'm good, thanks for asking. As for recent things on the Wiki, I suppose the best place to look would be Recent changes. We pretty much just keep doing our thing. -- Tom 14:11, 8 Feb 2005 (MST)

Good. I've been playing Yahoo Pool, watching James Bond, and messing with my electronics. --DeLoreanz1 14:23, 8 Feb 2005 (MST)

Coach Z's Team

Can you tell me why Coach Z's Team was deleted? If we don't need it, why bother having an article for On Point Kings? --Trogga 11:20, 13 Feb 2005 (MST)

Beats me. Of course, the text
Coach Z's Team is a team coached by Coach Z, consisting of Homestar Runner and co. It's unknown what sport they play, while played on an football field, it also involves basketball hoops and a baseball being kicked around.
is hardly article worthy. So pretty much we know that Coach Z's team is coached by Coach Z and is a team. Was it ever even mentioned in a toon?
Additionally, if you don't think On Point Kings is worth the article, you are welcome to bring it up on the respective talk page. -- Tom 23:03, 13 Feb 2005 (MST)

"text is hardly article worthy"?? I stubed the freakin' page. As being mentioned in a toon, the Yearbook Character Page is the only reference I could find. --Trogga 12:35, 14 Feb 2005 (MST)

Okay. So you think the page was worth the article? -- Tom 22:47, 16 Feb 2005 (MST)

Yes. --Trogga 12:22, 17 Feb 2005 (MST)

I don't. It doesn't provide any information that one couldn't figure out by just watching A Jorb Well Done. →[[User:FireBird|FireBird]]

Yet Strong Bad's Mount RidesPlace USA doesn't provide any information that one couldn't figure out by just watching theme park. --Trogga 09:50, 19 Feb 2005 (MST)

This was marked and deleted again. Tell you what Trogga, the day we know what sport they play, we will keep the article ;) - Dr Haggis - Talk 22:11, 10 Apr 2005 (MDT)

Rock Opera Context Note


Hello. I hope your day is well.

I disagree with your moving the work left to do on the rock opera context page to the discussion page, for the simple reason that NOBODY will see it there. If it can't be on the main page, then it should be deleted altogether, as it is serving no purpose.

The point of putting up the note was to aid people in knowing which words were still missing and at the same time encourage those die-hard troupers out there to help complete the page (kind of like a game). You know who I'm talking about: that special someone who is gonna figure out exactly which "I" was used from "lackey".

Therefore, I believe the note should be reinstated at the head of the main page. Besides, it's only temporary... just till we get this thing done.

Kind regards,
It's dot com 10:58, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)

I understand and appreciate your concern. However, articles are designed to be read as articles and nothing else. There should never be notes or instructions left for future editors. This is mentioned explicitly in the don't use conversational style section of the wiki standards. Wiki users, especially the die-hard troupers you mention, know to look at Talk pages. That's what they are for. -- Tom 11:05, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)

I see your point. I still don't completely like it, but at least I agree with you now. This particular page is close to my heart because I'm the one who set it up and got the ball rolling on filling in the words (although, I'll admit that someone would have done it eventually). It also happens to be the very first page I've created for the Wiki. I'm so pleased that the community has deemed the page useful and that they're helping to finish it with such vigor. I watch excitedly as each new entry is filled in. (I would do more research myself, but I've got this stupid job thing where I have to be if I want money. You probably know how that goes.)

It's dot com 11:49, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)

No problem. I'll remove the note again. I'd also like to bring to your attention the HRWiki:Projects page. That might be a better spot for you to put a note. -- Tom 13:10, 23 Feb 2005 (MST)

Strong Bad Email By Name Tables?

I've put tables up on the A's and B's section of Strong Bad Email By Name. What do you think of this? Do you think it's better? Any suggestions as to how the tables should be better? Should I leave it as 'N/A', N/A, 'None', or just leave it blank or something? Any input or blessing would be much appreciated. I'm just gonna leave it there until I get some kinda direction from a higher power (I.E., Mod). Thanks. [[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]] 00:59, 26 Feb 2005 (MST)

Looks like you got a good respose on the talk page for the article. Looks good. -- Tom 21:26, 27 Feb 2005 (MST)
Yea, Jay was a big help. Thanks anyways.

[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]] 00:15, 28 Feb 2005 (MST)

We Need A Mod

On the H*R updates page, (the main one), I think the disclaimer at the top needs rewording a bit since we now have the navigation box. But it's a protected page. So we can't change it. Can you? It doesn't really need any of those links anymore, since they're all in the box. Thanks.

[[User:Thunderbird L17|⇔Thunderbird⇔]] 00:15, 28 Feb 2005 (MST)

Done. -- Tom 00:54, 28 Feb 2005 (MST)

NYU Video

I know I probably shouldn't put this on your wiki, but on your website, the link to the NYU video is dead or something. Do you have any advice on how to open it? I was there, but I'd love to see it again! And this way, I won't have to stand outside in the cold for 2 hours holding a yellow sign to get tickets again.

I just wanted to thank you for making the video available to us fans! Using your generous torrent and 80 percent of your AVI file, I have put up a preliminary transcript. It barely scratches the surface, but it's a start. To the person above (who didn't sign his or her post), check out Tom's instructions here. Thanks again, Tom. I really loved what I've seen of your footage of the performance and autograph signing. I hope the screenshots I took do it justice! --The Paper 13:27, 18 Mar 2005 (MST)
Issac: I think The Paper answered your question, those instructions should be what you need. -- Tom 15:35, 19 Mar 2005 (MST)
The Paper: Hey, the pleasure is all mine. The transcript looks pretty good. I also want to compliment you on your screenshots. How did you manage to get this one here to look so good on that second try? -- Tom 15:35, 19 Mar 2005 (MST)

Removing Fun fact

I just removed a funfact in long pants on the basis of it being a repeat apprearance, and already mentioned in the transcript. Why did you re- add it?---erson 14:38, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)

It was a long standing rule not link to articles in a transcript. I see this is not the case in this instance, as BMW Lighter is linked to from the transcript. Thank you for bringing this to my attention. I've reverted my revert. -- Tom 14:43, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)
Similar occurences appear on other pages where the lighter is used. Would you like me to remove those fun facts too?---erson 14:47, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)
I suppose as long as there is a link somewhere in the article there isn't any harm. But make sure the fun facts don't afford any additional information before you remove them. If it's just "The BMW Lighter is in this toon", then it would seem to be alright to remove it. -- Tom 14:52, 3 Apr 2005 (MDT)


Okay, I changed the links from Sketchbook to Museum Sketchbook, and moved the page there. But I can't seem to move Weekly Sketchbook to Sketchbook. Is that because it's got the redirect there, in which case do I need to first wipe the Sketchbook page clean, and then move the page there? ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 17:54, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)

I'll be interested to see Tom's reply, because I'm pretty sure you can't have both an article and a redirect with the same name. But I also have a question for both of you: Shouldn't the museum sketchbook article be called [[Sketchbook (museum)]], instead of [[Museum Sketchbook]]? After all, the tab on the file folder just reads "Sketchbook". — It's dot com 18:07, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
Dang, not again. I just don't know. I think it's pretty safe to say that the weekly should just be 'Sketchbook', but yea, the Museum one is kinda 'sketchy', (slight pun intended). Well it's up to you guys, as long as the weekly one gets the 'main title'. ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 19:53, 7 Apr 2005 (MDT)
Fixed. See Museum Sketchbook and Sketchbook. -- Tom 19:18, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Edit Conflict Solution?

If we delete all pages that have an edit conflict, and then put them back with the same title and content, do you think that might get rid of this Edit Conflict problem? --Gafaddict 07:54, 9 Apr 2005 (MDT)

That was one thing I tried, but it didn't work. It doesn't matter now, as it is now fixed by another solution. -- Tom 19:19, 13 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Inappropiate Context?

My friend wants to know if this other character email on the Fanbase is legal, or if it he would get in trouble if he makes it public. Can you help? -- Joshua 09:08, 10 Apr 2005 (MDT)

Oh No! Tommy's Stuck In The Well!

Well seriously, where else could he be? He hasn't been around since the third! Hey Tom, your questions are stacking up! Hurry up and get out, we need your guidance and wisdom beyond your years! ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 09:59, 10 Apr 2005 (MDT)

Unnamed Characters

Yo, I have something to ask you, Why don't you have a Category for unnamed characters? I was planing on doing some pages for a few people In the background of marshmallows last stand, and they wouldn't have a category!

I'm thinking there isn't one because we don't need one. And it's not like I'm the one who comes up with these things anyway. It's a wiki. If there's a need for something, anyone can create it following the standards. -- Tom 01:54, 22 Apr 2005 (UTC)

MediaWiki Question

Hi Tom:

First, thanks for hrwiki, it rules and I visit at least weekly. If you browse to my new wiki you'll see that I've stolen (respectfully appropriated?) some of your excellent help text and another thing or two. Wikisource comments give you props.

But there's something else I want to learn from you: how do you make fundraising or sysop announcements appear across the whole wiki?

Bowing humbly, spblat 20:42, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Never mind. MediaWiki:Sitenotice spblat 23:17, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Yup, you got it. -- Tom 00:01, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)


Whoa! Yes, yes I most assuradly do. Only every two or three days though, and my junk folder even less, due to the unholy ammount of spam I am bombarded with. But I just sifted through, and found it. I also added you to safe list, so all future emails from yourself will be replied to much faster. Come to think of it, I'm gonna go and add all sysop addresses to my safe list. ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 01:11, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Cool. -- Tom 01:15, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Sysop Question

Hey Tom, I have a question about the new Sysop abilities. Just how do I do the Recentchanges Patrol ability? And what exactly would I be viewing? Aren't edits instantanious? So how do I view them ahead of time? Thanks Tom. ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 03:24, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)

When you view edits via the RecentChanges page by clicking on the "diff" link, you now have the option to "[Mark as patrolled]". This removes the red exclamation point on the RecentChanges list, alerting other sysops that you've checked out that edit so they don't have to. -- Tom 03:49, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Sweet, That's useful. I was wondering what those red marks were for. Okay, thanks. ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 04:06, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Actually, you can mark a change as patrolled if you are or aren't a sysop. At least, I could. →FireBird
Hey, you're right. The requirement is simply that you are a logged in user. -- Tom 00:25, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Oh. Well then... Coun't a troll mark his own change as 'patrolled'? Or are trolls generally just accepted to not be that smart, or have that long of an attention span? Thunderbird 23:28, 29 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Generally, trolls != smart. But yes, any logged in user could mark any edit as patrolled. Though it's likely that the kind of people that deface articles are not the kind of people who know about the patrolled edit feature. -- Tom 01:45, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Format Help

(copying what's on my Talk page) Hi there -erson. I've deleted your "formathelp" Template and Category. If something is formatted incorrectly, just fix it. Notes for future editors like that should not appear in articles, as per the Wiki standards. -- Tom 16:53, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I realise that, however it is I that do not know advanced formating, d would like to keep this notes inthe pages I am planning to make. And shouldnt that *this page requires clanup and revision* template be deleted too as it would be a note to future editors?-- Posted by: -erson Talk 18:43, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Help:Editing contains all the advanced formatting you should need to make a page. You can also use the Sandbox for practice and ask questions and request help from other users (I'd be happy to assist). The Cleanup template isn't really a note to future editors so much as a notice that a page needs work done on it. So there's really no need for the "formathelp" template. Aurora the Homestar Coder 23:13, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
What she said. -- Tom 23:56, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)


Oh come on, couldn't you guess I was gonna do that next? I just did a save, and realized that THE EXACT CHANGES were already made. Seriously, what a pointless five minutes. Oh well. You wanna do the final clean up/formatting? ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 23:26, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

You actually went through and changed them all by hand? Man, that's rough. I just popped the text into TextPad and did a "find and replace all". It's all yours now, help yourself. -- Tom 23:35, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Ah, cut and paste. I thought of the 'find and replace all', but since it isn't in the Wiki I didn't think of it. I just cut and pasted 'att', and then just pointed and Ctr+V'd. But your meathod will be WAY better in the future, thanks. Learn something new everyday I guess... ⇔Thunderbird⇔ 23:39, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Indeed. -- Tom 23:43, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Personal CSS

Is it possible to change the size of the logo in one's personal "monobook.css"? →FireBird

Not really. You could hide half of it (or as much as you want) with something like #p-logo{height:155px;width:6em;overflow:hidden;}, but I don't think that's what you are looking for. There might be some other solution, but I really can't think of anything right now off of the top of my head. -- Tom 01:49, 3 May 2005 (UTC)


Tom, have you noticed the conversation going on at HRWiki talk:Introduction 2 yet? I've proposed combining pages 2 and 3 into a single page and posted a mock-up on my user page. Let me know what you think. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 19:03, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Personalized Signatures

Since many folks nowadays seem to be personalizing their sigs, I was just wondering: Is sig help covered in an 'HRWiki:' page? If not, should one be made? Thunderbird 18:42, 6 May 2005 (UTC)

HRWiki:User preferences help#Your nickname. -- Tom 21:31, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
Thanks. I added a paragraph about changing the signature color, check it out and make changes if you want. I don't think I really explained it perfectly... Thunderbird 21:42, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
I honestly don't think it is necessary. It's something people learn over time. Customizing one's signature shouldn't be that important. And if I may ask, why are you linking to there? Wouldn't the relavent Wikipedia article on web colors be better? -- Tom 21:51, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
I fixed the paragraph about signature color so it is valid XHTML 1.0 Strict (just doing my duty as a member of the validation committee). I also linked to the suggested wikipedia article. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 00:27, 7 May 2005 (UTC)
Oh there it is. I figured there was some kinda wikipedia article on the subject, but I couldn't find it. That was just the site I used, but yea, the wikipedia one is far better. And I know it's not necessary, but I couldn't figure it out, so likely people that come along later won't be able to either. This way they can just turn to the help section, and it's all right there along with a Wikipedia color scheme. Thanks guys. Thunderbird 07:11, 8 May 2005 (UTC)


We have a problem with Trogga. He's been making alot of edits that boarder on Trolling. Just look at his talk page and you'll see what we mean. Make no mistake about it, he does make good edits too, but a large chunk of them are mass deletions of text. So what should we do? Is another big deletion grounds for blocking? Or should we continue to follow him around undoing his... overzealousness? Thunderbird 01:22, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

I know Joey has threatened to block him before. I know he makes some good edits, so just be careful we don't lose a good editor. If you feel he should be blocked, just make sure you give him fair warning (which I guess you have already) and keep it short (24h). -- Tom 13:01, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Copywritten Reply

Check it out. Ask and thou shalth recieve. He said to let him know either way, so should I just email back, thank him for his offer, and accept it? (I'm also gonna get to all the other interviews over the next couple days, start writing some letters...) Thunderbird 05:38, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Hey, something is better than nothing. Yeah, you should email him back and kindly accept with our gratitude. Just make sure you include all your emails back and forth on the discussion page. Good work! -- Tom 15:42, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
Do you have time for a legal question? I was just seeing the R!OT news radio page, that one apparently didn't even come with a website or transcript. Does that fall under 'fair use'? Same question with Wired News Radio. Thunderbird 22:16, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
For the R!OT Radio Interview 1, the best I could find was a contact form. I think we are okay with the transcript there, but we could still ask for information regarding the broadcast.
The Wired News Radio Interview has "© Copyright 2005, Lycos, Inc. All Rights Reserved." at the bottom. There's also a "Reprints" link at the top, that leads to a walkthrough of copyright stuff. You'd want to choose the "All Other Licensing Requests" option there, and fill out that form.
Hope that helps. -- Tom 22:48, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Thanks man, that's perfect. One more legal question: Wonkavision. Is that fair use? Seems like reprinting stuff in a magazine that's still for sale wouldn't fall under that, but am I wrong? Thunderbird 07:06, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, regarding the Wonkavision Magazine Interview, I'm thinking that we can't reproduce it for the reasons you mention, but there's no harm in asking. I'd also guess the copy that exists elsewhere doesn't have permission to be there. -- Tom 16:07, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
Okay, well thanks for all that info, I'll just keep trying to work out all the legal bugs on that page then. Thanks. Thunderbird 19:11, 14 May 2005 (UTC)


Is there a way to make this formatting have a 'cascading' type result fitting the window, as is usually the case? All I ever get, save manually seperating the paragraph into managable lines, is having the paragraph extend endlessly to the right... Thunderbird 05:00, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, what you experience is exactly what the <pre> tag is supposed to do. Sorry. -- Tom 15:39, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
Oh okay. But we're still supposed to use this when showing some kind of printed message, such as an email, correct? Because that's what I've been doing with the permission emails for reprintage on the talk pages. Thunderbird 17:22, 13 May 2005 (UTC)
When quoting an email, you should use blockquote instead of pre. We should set up a style so that blockquoted text has a distinct look. Perhaps a bar down the left hand side like you get when replying to an email in Outlook. I've actually been wanting to get away from pre for some time now. I've proposed a change to Strong Bad Emails on the Strong Bad Email talk page. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 18:17, 13 May 2005 (UTC)


Have you seen The Stick lately, namely this 'SPACL' thing? Is this sanctioned at all? It doesn't really seem to fit into the wiki as a 'NPOV' type place at ALL. The Real Zajac, a user who's only been around a few months, and whom I've never even HEARD OF, has seemed to claim ownership of it as well, which really isn't a Wiki thing to do. I mean, not even Joeyday does much without a joint decision. I don't want to delete it or anything in case it is sanctioned, but I really think this needs a total overhaul at least, if not total deletion. Can't this thing just be covered under the STUFF page, or it's talk page? This is really starting to turn this Wiki into the direction of the Fanstuff one, something I really wouldn't want to see... Thunderbird 19:20, 14 May 2005 (UTC)

Eep. I don't that's what Joey had in mind, and it looks like he is taking care of it on the talk page over there. Thanks for the heads up Thunderbird. -- Tom 13:33, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

STUFF reform

Hey, Tom. I've got a page I'd like you to check out. User:It's dot com/STUFF reform. It took me a long time to create it, and I would value your input. (You can use the talk page there.) Thanks. — It's dot com 05:01, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, but I don't think we need STUFF anymore. -- Tom 19:46, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Importante!! Importante!!

OK TOM! I give up! Everybody's been flicking my ear about some typa spyware or something on my computer that I've personally never seen a lick of. If what you say is true, do you, or anyone else, know how to DELETED the ware? Your whatever, Cheatachu72 P.S. Everyone's been saying that it mangles pages. So sorry for mangling any pages.

Who has been bothering you about this? Everybody? What I say is true? What are you talking about? -- Tom 22:01, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
I can't edit my user page and alot of other stuff because whenever I click "edit", The screen says "USER IS BLOCKED. YOU HAVE BEEN BLOCKED BY TOM. HE SAYS THAT YOU HAVE SPYWARE THAT MANGLES PAGES. PLEASE CONTACT TOM." or something like that. So its been mostly you, but once in a blue moon, it pops from someone like Jay or someone else popular or important *sob*. Cheatachu72
Not exactly that. We don't use all capital letters in any of our site notices. It sounds like you are seeing the blocked notice. You see that part there that says "Your IP address is [your IP address here]. Please include this address in any queries you make." Yeah, I need your IP address to fix the problem. Or at least determine what's going on. -- Tom 02:17, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
He had a different complaint about some "dollar" deal that happened a while back... I think his IP address might be ever-shifting, but since I don't know what his IP address is... --Jay (Gobble) 02:22, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Okay now. Just before I tell you my IP address, how do you find out your IP address (sorry, I've only been on HRWiki for 2 months or so, and I'm still trying to adapt and learn all thems weird whatsamajiggies you's abeen saying (like IP Address)).

There are multiple ways to go about it. One easy way would just be to log out and look at the upper-right corner of any page here on the Wiki, and it will tell you. Or you could go through your computer's settings. --Jay (Gobble) 02:39, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
It should be a seven or eight digit number or so, seperated by two periods. E.g: 43.202.18 or something. and Jay's right, the best way to find it is just sign out, and look on the top right of the wiki, or even just after signing out, leave a comment here that includes: ~~~~ , Which is four little wavy signs that will be on the top left of your keyboard. (Likely 'Shift' + The top left button below esc). Are those instructions any better? Thunderbird 16:50, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
Actually it will be four numbers of up to three digits each - anything from to But I'm a Comp Sci major who studied IP addresses as part of one of my classes last semester. --Jay (Gobble) 18:21, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
Jay and Thunderbird: IP addresses consist of 32 bits. A single bit is a one or a zero. IPv4 addresses are commonly expressed as a dotted quad, four octets (8 bits) separated by periods. Read IP address for more information.
Cheatachu72: Try -- Tom 18:29, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
Uh, yes, I know. I was just trying to explain what it would look like. --Jay (Gobble) 18:46, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
I didn't. Very... Interesting. Thanks guys. Thunderbird (Check Out My New And Improved Userpage! Comment On How To Make It Better!)
Sorry Jay, I didn't mean to imply that you didn't know. I just like putting the info out there. Oh, and I missed your last comment there. Whoops. -- Tom 22:06, 20 May 2005 (UTC)


Wow, Tom, you really were my favorite moderator right up until there. Why did you ban me? Do you not like me? Is ramrod the only person who fits your standards, and JelloB?--Homsar999ß 22:22, 23 May 2005 (CDT)

This guy is making quite a mess today. Can you ban him? -- tomstiff 15:46, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Done. -- Tom 15:48, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
Thanks! But why only 72 hours? This is the 2nd time he's done this. If this isn't grounds for a permanent ban, I don't know what is! -- tomstiff 15:51, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
Quite sadly, there's no such thing as a permanent ban. We can ban a particular IP address indefinitely, but ISPs assign users new IP addreses frequently, especially on dial-up. Banning any IP indefinitely is just as likely to block out legitimate users who inherit the blocked IP sometime down the road as it is to keep the troll from coming back. This is why we rarely use indefinite blocks. — InterruptorJones 17:42, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
I agree that guy's done too much damage. We've spent half an hour cleaning up after him. The Pardack

Yep, it's me

Is Tom the head of this place? I just became a user, and I want to put this right. PUT WAGON FULLA PANCAKES IN THE RIGHT PLACE. Really, i'm not stopping until it's done, make it a character, do you see a label on the Wagon Fulla Pancakes that makes him eatable? I don't. Please fix this, I don't know this formatting hullabaloo, but you sure do, so could you help me here? P.S. How do I make links from stuff? -Dinoshaur

Excuse me? I don't understand. -- Tom 16:52, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Here's a question

On the new main page, do you know where the List of registered users is? Cheatachu72 17:52, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Nowhere. Try The Stick. --Jay (Gobble) 17:54, 28 May 2005 (UTC)

Mellow Mushroom

Tom, how do you know TBC only did the animation on MM? --TROGGA! 19:23, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

They certainly don't make pizzas or own any part of the Mellow Mushroom company. They were hired to do the website. And if my memory serves me correctly, I think Matt did some radio commercials for them too. Why do you ask? -- Tom 20:30, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I know they only did the website, but why do you say the toons aren't written by TBC? --TROGGA! 00:06, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The toon that is on the site is pathetic. I hold TBC in too high a regard to say that they wrote it. -- Tony Stony 00:15, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Trogga: Were the toons written by The Brothers Chaps? -- Tom 20:12, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Maybe. Why don't you ask this guy? --TROGGA! 23:07, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Have you asked him already? Why don't you? -- Tom 06:30, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Mustachioed Homestar

Why not have a separate page for this guy, at least temporarily? There are two Homstars visible which TBC made sure were different. -- tomstiff 21:31, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

From what I can tell, there is an article currently at Mustachioed Homestar Runner. Perhaps a better place to voice your concerns would be the respective talk page. -- Tom 17:58, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)


Have you gone mad? Homsar999 23:18, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No. -- Tom 16:52, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
If you haven't, then why did you ban me from the IRC chat this time? Was it for inactivity? Homsar999 03:06, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
No, you were not banned because of inactivity. You were banned because you annoy me. -- Tom 20:12, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
And how do I annoy you? Homsar999 23:23, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Seriously, man, this has gone on way too long. Please unban me. I don't even know why I annoy you. Homsar999 04:04, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
=Man, you threaten me for banishment, and you kick people off for annoying you! I'm going to report your threat to a more respected adminestrator and have you kicked off, You make me sick! In the past you have been helpful, what kind of twisted guy are you?=

Balding Man's Living Room

Why was that page baleeted? I thought it would be useful to create, but I guess not. Any reason why? Homsar999 05:04, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You'll probably want to delete the corresponding screenshot with the page; without the page it's useless. I'll go ahead and tack a tobedeleted on the screenshot. Crystallina 05:07, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Homsar999: I didn't delete the page. You can check the deletion log to see that FireBird did. Trogga marked it for deletion, probably because all it contained was "Balding Man's Living Room is where Balding Man lives. It is first seen in Senorial Day. We have yet to see the rest of his house." All I did was remove the links to the page from the rest of the Wiki. -- Tom 16:48, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
If it's because of content, then Ted Kotsaftis might as well be deleted and un-linked, as well. Homsar999 03:15, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
As I mentioned earlier, I did not delete the page. Please take this up with FireBird and Trogga. The Ted Kotsaftis article is a stub with plenty of room to expand. Ted has worked on graphic design for several other projects. The room the Balding Man was in doesn't have the same potential. Why do you think this article would be useful? -- Tom 06:30, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

More Fanstuff Sysops

Do you think you and the other big admins could get a fanstuff sysop nomination going for the Fanstuff Wiki? There are only two active sysops there as of right now, and they get overwhelmed occassionally. For example, someone made a page that insulted a user and had profanity in the page title alone. Although several users find about it quickly and marked if for deletion, it stayed around for about two weeks before one of the sysops found it. It took even longer for the creator of the page to be banned. So... yeah, many users think more sysops are needed. Thanks for considering this, Joshua.

Okay. Consider it done. -- Tom 22:15, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm a sysop! Hooray! Um, am I going to be the only new sysop, or am I supposed to set up a nominations page? -- Joshua 22:59, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

You're it. Good luck. -- Tom 04:02, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No nominations? Okay. -- Joshua 12:08, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)


What does [[User:Tom|<nowiki></nowiki>]] do in your signature? I've wondered for a while. — It's dot com 05:57, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I've had that there since the very beginning, when we starting using MediaWiki back in 1.3 beta. When I leave a comment, it allows me to put my four tildes right after the period. I could figure out how to do it differently with the new features in 1.4, but I'm kind of used to it. -- Tom 22:57, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)


How do you become someone who deletes useless articles? And what's a "Sysop"?

You sorta answered your own question - sysops are the people who delete articles, as well as block abusive users. JoeyDay and Tom select the sysops, but the last time they did, all but one of the new sysops were nominated on a special page by regular users. --Jay (Gobble) 21:06, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm not asking you, Jay. And even though you responded, you didn't answer the question! I was talking to Tom!

Umm, yes he did answer both of your questions. The first one is answered by "JoeyDay and Tom select the sysops", and the second question with "sysops are the people who delete articles, as well as block abusive users". Anyone can answer a question set on a talk page, even if they were not the intended reciever of that comment. --videlectrix.pngENUSY discussionitem_icon.gif user.gifmail_icon.gif, 22:29, 10 June 2005 (BST)
It's a Wiki -- anyone can respond on any talk page. And Jay's answer is correct. To continue the answer, however, the way you get nominated / chosen for a sysop is by making significant, useful edits (like undertaking large formatting projects) and showing good judgement in both your own edits and in dealing with other wiki-users. Reverting from trolls is also a good thing to do. It only happens when the existing admins are looking for new ones, which I'm guessing won't be for quite some time. Aurora the Homestar Coder 21:33, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Speak in English Homestar Coder!

What part didn't you understand? Aurora the Homestar Coder 21:39, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

All of it!

Very sorry, but I think the problem is on your end, not mine. Maybe Babelfish would be of assistance? Aurora the Homestar Coder 21:42, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
That's the same thing you said when I told you all the reasons I wasn't keeping your "Message Board" page. With all due respect, is your first language English? I understood Aurora just fine. --Jay (Gobble) 21:43, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Aurora, Venusy, and Jay are right. Sanjuro, I don't know exactly what you didn't understand about what Aurora said, but I just got and replied to your email. If there is anything you need further clarification on, do not hesitate to ask. -- Tom 21:45, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Tom, what is wrong with me making a Message Board like the ones on AOL, where other members can feel free to post friendly messages with other members?

And Jay, how long did it take you to realize that it was I, Sanjuro/Balmung, whom was posting these messages?

I knew it from the start - I've been following this discussion from Special:Recentchanges, where it puts your user name or IP address next to every edit you make. --Jay (Gobble) 22:00, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
In addition, your name is listed in the page history of this page. — It's dot com 22:02, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Sanjuro, this is the Homestar Runner Wiki, a collaborative knowledge-base dedicated to collecting and organizing as much information as possible about Homestar Runner. This is not a place for you to have a personal message board. This is not AOL. This is not your website. -- Tom 22:03, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I hate you Jay. So don't talk to me!Tim-E- Dee 22:05, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Look out Sanjuro, here comes the Heavy Lourde! -- tomstiff 22:07, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Sanjuro, please do not edit or remove other people's comments. -- Tom 22:13, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Tom, Tomstiff's comment isn't reasonable and is offensive.

Sigh. Y'all have shown remarkable patience. I'd have put the hammer down on this ... person ... long ago! My compliments! -- tomstiff 22:18, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I am sick and tired of you Tomstiff.

So telling Jay you hate him and demanding that people "Speak English!" isn't offensive? Aurora the Homestar Coder 22:23, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Sanjuro, I'd like to question your partiality in evaluating tomstiff's comment, when only two minutes before you expressed on this very page your hatred for another user. Wasn't your comment offensive? -- Tom 22:24, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Sanjuro, my comment earlier was in no way an attempt to be offensive! It was merely an amusing way to warn you that expressing hatred towards another member of this community usually brings about a ban. If I offended you in any way, please, please forgive me! I remain, as ever, your wiki friend -- tomstiff 22:28, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Don't talk to me like that Tom. I can, and will, track you down.

Heh heh. I'm laughing at your petty threat. You better watch out, because in the past we've blocked people for threating others and making personal attacks. Consider this a formal warning. -- Tom 22:30, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Tomstiff, I found NOTHING amusing WHAT-SO-EVER about that comment of yours.Tim-E- Dee 22:34, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ooh, but I do. This is better than television. Somebody make the popcorn! Seriously, though—and I mean this with all friendliness possible—you're playing with fire here. I'm just a user, so I'm not warning you, just giving advice. Be careful. — It's dot com 22:38, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Look, Sanjuro, you could be a great, useful Wiki-member, or you could bash, insult and threaten other members. The first would be nice, and the second will just get you banned and mocked. As Captain Planet would say, the choice is yours! (Wow, Tom, your talk page is too long, Clanky!) Aurora the Homestar Coder 22:43, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
OK, why is my sig appearing in a "pre" box? Aurora the Homestar Coder 22:45, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
It sure is Aurora. I feel so loved. Oh, and it's the space after the newline. -- Tom 22:46, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Maybe you should make a talk archive like some other users do. Oh, and thanks for fixing my sig ineptness. Aurora the Homestar Coder 22:48, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
No way. A long talk page is the coolest. And no problem, 'twas a common hard-to-spot mistake. -- Tom 22:51, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
As long as we're all here, Tom, what did you mean yesterday when you said to hold off on the STUFF stuff? And I'm still curious about my question in the section right above this one. — It's dot com

Sanjuro is obviously upset that his work, although not useful, was unceremoniously trashed. He is expressing his anger in the wrong way, in my opinion, but it's at least understandable. I think he put {{tobedeleted}} on his user page in haste. Did it have to be deleted right away? If not, is there an undelete feature? — It's dot com 22:54, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oh, sure, it's easy to undelete. The entire old history has been saved. I wouldn't have done it if that were not the case (mostly because I have a feeling he thinks that those comments are gone forever). Aurora the Homestar Coder 22:57, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Yes, that's right. If necessary, a sysop can restore any version of any deleted page at any time. Only image deletion is permanent. However, the user in question's work on the aforementioned page was not unceremoniously trashed. It did not belong anywhere in the context of this project and was dealt with accordingly. -- Tom 22:59, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Oh, and It's dot com: Would you care to join me in the IRC channel to discuss the matter of STUFF? If not, I can reply here. -- Tom 23:01, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
I know it was dealt with accordingly, but to him his hard work was suddenly gone. I'm not defending the page, or even the user, I'm just saying we should let him cool down before granting his request to delete his user page altogether. — It's dot com 23:04, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
IRC, eh, Tom? I saw one o' thems once. I'll head on over there now. Aurora, are you coming? — It's dot com

This website is SO AWESOME! But I think that you guys shouldtake it easy on Sanjuro. By the sound of things (from which I read) all of your comments just made him more frustrated. Watch what you type to this member, cause it just might make him even MORE frustrated. And Aurora, Captain Planet says "The power is yours", not "The choice is yours". No offense though.

Ah, I had a feeling I would botch that quote, hehehe. Well, my point still stands. Aurora the Homestar Coder 23:35, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Botch? What does that mean Aurora?

Botch = to make a mistake or ruin something. Aurora the Homestar Coder 23:45, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

So what happened here with Sanjuro? And... Where is he?

Okay. Who is this User:Balmung of Azure Sky member?Tim-E- Dee 23:52, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Is anyone out there?

That depends on your definition of "is"

I'm really sorry, but just reading through all this made me tired. I think everyone involved needed to have a rest. --BazookaJoe 00:01, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Okay you. Where's Tom and Aurora? Tell me NOW! Cause I aient playing no games, I mean bussiness!

I'm sorry. Your request cannot be answered at this time. Please try again later, or leave a message after the tone.

Tom, Aurora? How DARE you ignore The GREAT Sanjuro?

They aren't online right now. Calm down. Fix some hot cocoa and take some deep breaths. —FireBird|Talk 00:36, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Actually, I am online. Hot cocoa does sound good though. Aurora the Homestar Coder 00:45, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Well now you are. —FireBird|Talk 00:47, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Chocolate? where? -- Tony Stony 00:50, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)


Aurora? Are you still on?

Deletion on my account please! It's too raw!

Yo Tom! What's up? I need you to do me a little favour. My accounts Sanjuro and Balmung? Yeah. Can you delete them? Thanks Sanjuro/Balmung 02:42, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC) P.S. User:Balmung not to be confused with User:Balmung of Azure Sky

Tim, after reviewing the database, I can clearly see that you currently you have three accounts:
  1. User:Balmung (user_id 788)
  2. User:Sanjuro (user_id 789)
  3. User:Balmung of Azure Sky (user_id 2001)
The use of sock puppet accounts is highly discouraged. However, I will not delete any of these accounts, since an accurate article edit history record must be maintained. As I'm sure you can see, the user page for the first two accounts has already been deleted per your previous request. If you would like to put any other pages up for deletion, use the {{tobedeleted}} template tag.
I recommend that you use one and only one of those accounts from this point forward. -- Tom 20:32, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Sanjuro...are you also User:Son Goku? If so please don't aquire any more accounts...that aint cool man. -- Tony Stony 19:01, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Me? Son Goku? (L'sOL!) No way! That's my younger brother! We only have one computer that WE can use so if I'm to show him something, I have to Log Off so he can Log On! Sanjuro/Balmung 19:10, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hmm i guess that proves me wrong. I just thought it was odd that your little brother would sign on, create a user page then within a few seconds you correct him online...but then again i'm weird.

What do you mean Tony Stony?

Its none of my business is what I mean...I just thought it weird. Btw it is possible to sign your posts with 4 tildes. Comme ca: Tony Stony 19:25, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Yeah! It looks like you're doing like in your posts! You see: ~3x Is your siggy. and ~4x Is your siggy with time of posting. A like so. Sanjuro/Balmung 3x... Sanjuro/Balmung 19:48, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC) 4x! So much for "Three times is a charm" huh? Sanjuro/Balmung 19:48, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

And five displays just the date. Learn something new everyday... Thunderbird And just the date: 01:42, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

STUFF stuff

Afternoon, Tom. I've been busy all morning closing out old STUFF discussions. I have a little ways to go, though. Also, I wonder if we could speak more about how the page should be redesigned before anything major is done to it. Put a note on my talk page and I'll meet you in the IRC. Thanks. — It's dot com 16:35, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Sure. -- Tom 17:27, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm back, as promised. Are you around? I'm monitoring the IRC. — It's dot com 19:32, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hey Tom.
I am making good progress:
Yet to do:
  • Organize/polish the instructions
  • Create the templates for closed facts
  • Have other users test the ease of use
  • Convert current items to new format
The hardest part isn't figuring out how this will work. The hardest part isn't even figuring out how to streamline the process to minimize keystrokes and errors. No, the hardest part is figuring out how to explain it so that novices can understand.
I was hoping to go live today, but I see that that's not going to happen. Now I'm hoping to go live by midweek. (Right this second, however, I'm hoping to go get some good sleep.) Let me know how you think it's going. — It's dot com 05:07, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Update: Getting very close now. I've just about nailed it all down. That's enough for tonight... — It's dot com 06:16, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
You seem like you've got everything under control. If you need me for anything specific, let me know. Good work. -- Tom 23:13, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The main format is ready to go live. We are in the public testing stage now. Once we work out any bugs, all that will remain will be to convert the existing facts to the new format. — It's dot com 08:35, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)


Unban me from the IRC chat. --Homsar999ß 00:05, 21 Jun 2005 (CDT)

Admin Nomination

I'm sure we're not looking for any new sysops after this thing in April, but I think BazookaJoe would be a great sysop. He seems to be working harder around here than any of us sysops anyways, and he always seems to have good judgement. I'd love to have him on the team. —FireBird|Talk 22:47, 10 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I can't remember the specific instance, but in the last day or so I've thought to myself, "Isn't BazookaJoe an admin?", so whatever was going on at the time must have been good. — It's dot com 23:17, 10 Jul 2005 (UTC)
I always forget that he isn't an admin, because he uses the same "reverted from (whoever) to last version from (whoever)" message. I guess he types it in manually... Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 00:29, 11 Jul 2005 (UTC)
True, but he has only been around for a little over two months. There are some users that have been around significantly longer that I think are also deserving of sysopness. I do like the guy, and would be happy if he became a sysop, but I wouldn't be surprised if the Admins leave it a few months yet before opening another Nomination Window. Thunderbird 21:46, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)


On the picture of you are you the one on the left or right I'm guessing you're on the right because the left one looks not happy, but it doesn't look like matt because of the hair.

I'm in the Duck Shirt and jacket. Mike (not Matt) is in the red shirt with the scarf. -- Tom 12:37, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
And it isn't that Mike is unhappy... He apparently just takes bad pictures. — It's dot com 14:16, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for answering my question guys, and uh that link to bad pictures looks like Matt is wearing that same shirt as the picture on this page.

Yeah, they were taken less than five minutes apart at the NYU Talk on Mar 1, 2005. In fact, you can actually see a bit of my head in the background of DaChazman's photo. -- Tom 12:57, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Forum namespace

How come there's not a convenient external namespace for the forum? You know, so that [] could be replaced with [[Forum:XXXX]], or something similar. How's our bandwidth lookin'? — It's dot com 19:04, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)

That's not a bad idea, I'll look into that. Though you should probably remind me after next Monday. Our bandwidth is still looking, but I think we are down to the final hours here. -- Tom 20:04, 27 Jul 2005 (UTC)
Will do. — It's dot com
Here is the reminder you requested. — It's dot com 18:17, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Done. Example: [[Forum:15|thread 15]] becomes thread 15. Oh, and just so I remember for next time, they are interwiki links, not namespaces. -- Tom 18:52, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC)

On the wiki

I'm working on the transcripts as fast as I can... what, do you think I eat, sleep, and breathe Homestar Runner... don't answer that. ;) Seriously, we're working on them. But having Mike mention that he read something on our wiki has got to be the ultimate prize for us. It's like, poring over all the crazy details that we do has, in a small but significant way, paid off. I think we should permit ourselves in this case to announce it in big, bold letters. Or at least in italics. — It's dot com 00:12, 28 Jul 2005 (UTC)

What?!?! Where 'bouts was this? First I've heard of it. Thunderbird 03:17, 13 Aug 2005 (UTC)
The animal commentary. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 03:19, 13 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Yup. -- Tom 03:20, 13 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Wow, awsome! Kudos to, the one who originally left the Compound Eyes fun fact. He never really made all that many edits, but who would have guessed it was one of the most important edits of all... Thunderbird 18:06, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Goofs vs. Typos

"Goofs" are mistakes TBC make; for the purposes of our discussion, Strong Sad made these mistakes. We don't note mistakes Strong Bad makes in his emails as Goofs; rather, we note them in the Remarks. Since there were enough of Strong Sad's mistakes for a whole section, I changed it to "Typos". — It's dot com 22:07, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I'm not really the guy who would know the difference. I only made that change for two reasons:
  1. "Typos" isn't one of the ways we categorize Fun Facts. Goofs is.
  2. The Francis Scott Key fact is a Goof. I knew it wasn't a typo, so I changed the header to Goofs for lack of a better choice for that particular grouping.
That being said, the Key fact is probably the only one of the four that are currently under that header that really is a Goof. The typos by Strong Sad should probably be moved to another section. Maybe Remarks? -- Tom 22:35, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Goofs may be our standard category, but we are flexible enough to accomodate a special category on a toon-by-toon basis. For example, Homestar's attempts at Deleted. I think these should be grouped together since there are several of them. How about "Strong Sad's Goofs", or "Strong Sad's Mistakes", or something similar? — It's dot com 22:42, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)
I think we should ask Jay. He's the Keeper-Tracker. -- Tom 22:59, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)
I think I'll just copy the discussion from 22:42 on up over to the article's talk page. Then, everyone can have a say. — It's dot com 23:08, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Sounds good to me. -- Tom 23:10, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

(see Talk:Strong Sad's Lament for more)

You are appreciated

I was looking over your talk page, and it's been way too long since someone wrote to tell you thanks for all the work and maintenance you put into the site. Thank you! I was propted to tell you this today when I saw that, simply by my uploading an image, you created a new template to replace the makeshift GFDL blurb I had on the image; created a new category for other existing, similar images; and then sought out those five other images that should be in the category and added the template there as well—all within the blink of an eye! I would hope that we all make the wiki experience a little better for those around us, and I must say you certainly do that. And then some. Sincerely, It's dot com

Hey, you're welcome. It's my pleasure. -- Tom 16:33, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)


What, did you think I made up that picture of the Trogdor beanie? I'm not that skilled with Photoshop. Check the Store before you assume defacement. ;) Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 17:59, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Yeah. I tried to fix it but you beat me to it. Thanks. -- Tom 18:00, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)
No probalo. I thought it was defacement too but decided to check the Store on a whim, and lo and behold... Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 18:02, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Patrolled Fanstuff

Hey, can you edit LocalSettings.php section of the fanstuff to get rid of those red "patrolled" explanation points in the recent changes there? We really don't need or want them. - Joshua

Before I do anything, I'd like to see the discussion that took place when deciding this. Where is it? -- Tom 15:20, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Oh, well that's a problem. It was on a poll on the second Fanstuff Forum, which is offline for an indefinite amount of time. (it seems that its host quit) I'll create a new poll if you want me to, but I don't think that's nessecary. But if you go there and look at the recent changes, you'll see red exclamation points as far as the eye can see. We don't use them. - Joshua

Done. -- Tom 21:52, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)


I went on the all user list page and I noticed that there were alot of vulgar term and slang. Can you clear this up Sincerly former user vile.exe

Yeah, I'm going to have to do that. Note to self: do that soon. -- Tom 20:20, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I'm back

I former vandel[I was the guy who defiled trogdor and charectars a couple monthes ago thanks for unblocking me I have changed my ways don't ban me I am a good guy I swear] current editor and megaman fan User:Vile.exe have returned.Drop me a line on my talk page for proof.

Okay. -- Tom 21:07, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Banned. Again. Again.

OK, Tom, please tell me why I am banned this time. Are you having a bad day? --HomsarAnnoyed


'Scuse me, but I can't get into the Fanstuff wiki. It just shows 404'd every time. What's up with that? It was working a few seconds ago... --Dinoshaur 18:31, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Whoops. On it. -- Tom 18:34, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)
Fixed. -- Tom 18:46, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Fanstuff wiki

Can you please, PLEASE, unlock the Fanstuff wiki? H*R 700
If you bothered to check, you'd see it has already been unlocked. -- Tom 18:23, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, thank you. H*R 700


TOM! TOM! It's over! I can edit stuff! You can remove the notice! Seek Bar

Did you read the notice? Have a look. -- Tom 02:30, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Favourite User Award Winner

Congrats Tom

You have won the favourite user award for this week.

Here is your trophy

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From your HRwiki friend,– Pertmywert (Talk·Edits)

If you would like to view the older winners please go here.

Personal JavaScript

I got a little curious and decided to check out your user JavaScript. What exactly does it do? I tried copying it into my own personal JS, but I didn't see any changes in the preview. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 21:30, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

It duplicates the links for the tabs at the top of every page on the bottom. I think you might have to have accompanying personal CSS to style it. That should be in my user CSS somewhere. -- Tom 21:38, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Judging by your CSS, it seems that way, so that would explain why I didn't see any change - thanks. --Pidgeot (t) (c) (e) 22:02, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)
No problem. -- Tom 22:03, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)


i love u -fhqwhgadshgnsdhjsdbkhsdabkfabkveybvf

Thanks. -- Tom 00:54, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Ooooh, quite the pairing. A 35 letter name with a 3 letter name. I can see sparks flying already. Or is that just my avian thunder...?

A thankyou

Marzipan's Answering Machine Version 11.2. Thanks for sorting out an embarrassing mix-up with "hide patrolled edits", and not noticing someone else had already reverted the vandalism I was trying to revert. Still trying to get the hang of this Wiki thing ;) --Tigz 22:38, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)

No problem. -- Tom 04:12, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Note from Thechamp

Hello, Tom. My name is The champ, please forgive my past Trolling for it was my brother who commited the crime. I left the states for a month or so during this period and had no access to a comp. where I was staying in Canada. I rebuked my brother for his crimes and hope that you may forgive him, I am sory.

Sincerely, Thechamp 22:10, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Okay. -- Tom 23:10, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Yeah, I am sory, again. He didn't mean any harm by talkin to the trolls, he hates it when people start skrewin with thing that people work hard on. -Thechamp 01:30, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Help, Please

How do I add pictures to articles? -Thechamp 13:09, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

See Help:Editing#Images. -- Tom 20:19, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

I found a troll! is the IP address. It was a troll in the fanstuff wiki. Battle of Homestar High. DonZabu

Which of their edits are you talking about? -- Tom 20:16, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

It was a joke, not a defacing


Thechamp, I'm assuming you are referring to my recent deletion of a discussion page (Talk:No Loafing Sign) you started that simply contained "You heard um, No loafing!". Your edit was defacement. Discussion pages exist to discuss articles and their content, not for you to attempt to make jokes or be funny. As such, taking into consideration your previous behavior on the Wiki, especially your edits in the past day and your failure to heed my three direct warnings, you have been blocked from editing for ten days. -- Tom 23:13, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)


OK, can I please be unbanned from the HRWiki chat? --Homsar


Hello. I am very sorry for what happened a year ago. You might not remember. But, I ruined the Commentary Transcript for Experimental Film. I just want to say that I am sorry. I used to be known as -Mitchell00 07:21, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Okay. -- Tom 16:59, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Update Marker

Hey Tom! I was just wondering what that Update Marker is for. Rogue Leader / (my talk) 17:20, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)

It's a new feature in MediaWiki 1.5. -- Tom 17:29, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)
Thanks. Rogue Leader / (my talk) 17:30, 8 Oct 2005 (UTC)

delete Bkmlb

Hi Tom! It's kind of annoying to have a period at the end of my name, so could you please delete User:Bkmlb? If I remember correctly, I think he was a troll impersonator.--minibaseball.png Bkmlb(talk to me·stuff I did) 17:26, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Done. -- Tom 17:30, 9 October 2005 (UTC)
Thank you, very much.--minibaseball.png Bkmlb(talk to me·stuff I did) 17:31, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

How do you...

How do you get on to the old wiki? H * R 7 0 0

What information do you need from it? -- Tom 23:24, 9 October 2005 (UTC)

Well, I just wanted to check it out, if thats alright with you and JoeyDay. H * R 7 0 0 Not logged in.

The old Wiki is not easily available. What information do you need from it? -- Tom 14:42, 10 October 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, okay. I don't have to go there. I just wanted to see the users, and all that stuff. But, anyways, us at the fanstuff wiki want 1 of our 4 Admins, to be come a Burecrate. Most people think Rainer's the best choice. Tom, can you make one of our Admins, a Burecrate? H * R 7 0 0

No, not at this time. -- Tom 12:45, 11 October 2005 (UTC)


Eh, don't listen to him. :P We were just considering it; many people haven't even voiced their opinion yet. (And honestly, I never expected you to do it anyway.) - Joshua 12:59, 11 October 2005 (UTC)

Changing Names

Hey, I know I bug you alot, but there always a reason. Anyways, can you make a changing names page one the Fanstuff Wiki? I want to change my name, really badly. H * R 7 0 0

There already is one. See HRFWiki:HRFWiki:Changing username. -- Tom 21:47, 11 October 2005 (UTC)


I have to say that you are the man, and I would like to commend you for making your edits and changing everyone's usernames. You rock, man. --daunrealist 19:16, 12 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. -- Tom 20:35, 12 October 2005 (UTC)
I'm just wondering, when do you think the next Admin nomination will be? I was thinking of nominating someone (not me), but is it annually, biannually, or what? --daunrealist 21:06, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
When it's necessary. -- Tom 23:09, 13 October 2005 (UTC)
Cool. --daunrealist 02:06, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

April Fools Name Change

I know it's a while off, but I just thought I'd ask know. Would I be allowed to have my username changed for April Fools, and then have it changed back the next day? -- Super Sam 06:48, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

No. -- Tom 13:35, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

What the?

Why'd you block User: He wasn't trolling. He was just behaving a little newbish. - Joshua 22:10, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Because of the edits he made on Image talk:homestarquiz.PNG, Talk:Tee Bee, and Image talk:stinkogamethumb.png. And did I say anywhere that he was trolling? -- Tom 22:13, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
That seems harsh for someone who seemed to be trying to contribute honestly. Maybe a warning about what sort of behavior is okay would have been better? Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 22:17, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
Unblocked. Feel free to warn. -- Tom 22:20, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

On the other hand, is 24 hours enough for someone who is being disruptive and should know better? (Billy Bob Bob) I was gonna block him till the weekend before Coder beat me to it. — It's dot com 22:24, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

Cool, thanks Tom. If you want to up that ban, Ben, then that's fine with me. I just usually do 24 hours for a first offender. Homestar Coderhomestar-coder-sig.gif 22:26, 18 October 2005 (UTC)
Then I'll leave it like it is. But if he yells and makes personal attacks again... — It's dot com 22:28, 18 October 2005 (UTC)


So, what's up with these invitations-to-anonny's-to-create-accounts dealies? I love the idea; is the concept to extend indiscriminately to all except trolls, or to use in those "Whoa—that was a beneficial edit! Why is this guy an IP?" situations? I ask because seems to be rather articulate and wikiliterate. —AbdiViklas 06:39, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

In this case, it was mostly the latter. Though I have to admit, it's not the first time I've done it.
The person you mention there, if I'm not mistaken, is Wikipedia:User:Metaeducation. They actually caused a tiny ruckus on Wikipedia back in May 2005 that involved a HRWiki template thing. See Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/Deleted/May 2005#Template:Hrwiki and Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/Not deleted/June 2005#Template:Memoryalpha for some details. (And I wish we could still get at the conversation found at Template talk:Hrwiki where Joey and I questioned the template, but we can't.) -- Tom 06:59, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Holy cow. So does the fact that the template doesn't exist mean it was deleted? And are we a sister wiki? Meanwhile, is inviting anonnys strictly a sysop thing, or can anyone? —AbdiViklas 07:17, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Yes, the Hrwiki template was deleted, the link is for the discussion that occured prior to its deletion. The Memoryalpha one was not, that is the discussion that occured prior to the decision to keep. We are not a sister wiki to Wikipedia. We have nothing to do with the Wikimedia Foundation or any of its projects. Our Wiki runs on the same software, MediaWiki, but that's pretty much where it ends. As for inviting, it's a wiki, I encourage you to be bold. -- Tom 21:47, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Hey, Tom. I was just wondering why you ended up blocking IP I looked at what happened, and it turns out that his addition to H* updates was correct. There is a new quote, fan stuff, and sketch book. You probably found or saw something that I didn't, so you probably have a very legitement reason. — Lapper (talk) 21:49, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

Fixed already. Thanks. -- Tom 21:50, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
I kept reverting his work 'cause in my eyes I didn't think that we'd need that on there. Plus he kept on changing it. -- Sanjuro/Balmung
But that page is our listing of all Homestar Runner updates, why wouldn't what he added belong there? -- Tom 22:23, 20 October 2005 (UTC)

I can't find the IRC chat...

Where's it at? Sanjuro/Balmung

Please see HRWiki:IRC channel. -- Tom 22:24, 20 October 2005 (UTC)
Thanks man. -- Sanjuro/Balmung


just wondering, what were the context of the emails that RHRN sent you? Rogue Leader / (my talk) 00:52, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Nah, it's not worth it. -- Tom 00:57, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Something tells me that I should be thanking you for that. A lot. Thanks anyway. Rogue Leader / (my talk) 00:59, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

unlocking uploading

Okay Tom, here's my problem. I am a bureaucrat at the Eskimo Bob Wiki and we just moved to new software. The uploading is locked. How do I unlock it?--minibaseball.png Bkmlb(talk to me·stuff I did) 12:46, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Yeah, we need to know soon. Theres alot of blank images, and we REALLY need to fix that. H * R 7 0 0
Who upgraded the software? Did they reconfigure LocalSettings.php correctly? And the directions for enabling uploads can found in the User's Guide. -- Tom 14:43, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Pertmywert owns the wiki. He upgraded it. So, does that mean you'll have to ask him about it? H * R 7 0 0
If Pertmywert is the only one with access to the files on the server, then yes. He needs to modify one line of his LocalSettings.php file to allow uploads. — wikisig.gif Joey (talk·edits) 17:19, 28 October 2005 (UTC)
Okay. I'll alert him ASAP. H * R 7 0 0
Also note that the upgrade instructions exist as part of the archive that Pertmywert uploaded. -- Tom 17:36, 28 October 2005 (UTC)

Bureaucrat rights

Hello Tom! It's me again, the guy who always bugs you for help. I need to know all about Bureaucrat rights. Since, I am a Bureaucrat at Pertmywert's Eskimo Bob Wiki... H * R 7 0 0

Please read the documentation. -- Tom 18:52, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Okay. So, I can't unlock/lock the Database? H * R 7 0 0

Did you read the page? Try reading it again. -- Tom 19:00, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Oh, thanks for showing me that, Tom. I'll remember that. By the way, I know you a Developer and all that, but you should archive this. H * R 7 0 0

Thanks for your consideration. I'll keep your suggestion in mind. -- Tom 19:11, 5 November 2005 (UTC)


Why am I banned from #hrwiki? Was I trolling or something? --Thatkidsam 16:52, 6 November 2005 (UTC)

What's your IRC username? What's your IP address? What did you do to get banned from the channel? Are you sure you're banned, or are you just getting errors when you try to connect? -- Tom 20:18, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
I usually go by thatkidsa [sic]. My IP is I only went on there twice, and the only thing I might have done that angered people is... Having little knowledge of the IRC code 'n such. And I'm pretty sure I'm banned... --Thatkidsam (NLI) 21:03, 6 November 2005 (UTC)
#hrwiki You're banned from that channel
Okay, you should be good now. There was a fairly broad ban in there that you got caught up in. -- Tom 22:02, 6 November 2005 (UTC).

Question about the bad_image_list problem

I'm a contributor over on another wiki and I was wondering how you solved the problem discussed on HRWiki_talk:Upgrade_to_MediaWiki_1.5#Database error. It's happening on ours and Google, the MediaWiki site, and the MW Bugzilla haven't yielded any info. But, it Google did link to that talk page. Any info you can provide will help. Thanks. -- 03:50, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

Hi there. Drop me an email at and I'll give you all of the details. -- Tom 05:14, 7 November 2005 (UTC)


Can you, um, temporarily lockdown the Fanstuff WIki? Quick? The apocalypse is happening... or at least the same problem that struck this place a few days back. - Joshua 02:46, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

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