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Adminship

If you would like to start a draft at User:The Evil Spartan/RFA, I will certainly think about moving it into the mainspace. You also might like to have a word with User:Shalom and User:Maxim. However, I have the very ugly baggage of having withdrawn from an RFA once on commons, for reasons which I have no desire to get into now, but which I may have to address during the process. I think there is a quite hot chance it wouldn't pass, however like I said, I will certainly consider it. The Evil Spartan (talk) 22:52, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Sure, gimmie a couple of days, but I am interested. MBisanz ^talk

If you get cold feet, or change your mind, that is all fine. The Evil Spartan (talk) 22:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I've been reviewing things, and you seem like a good candidate, but sometimes I notice you get a bit hot under the collar, could we try a bit of focused work on that together before you run? MBisanz ^talk 22:14, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes. I seemed to have chosen the worst moment to show my worst side. I was already planning on postponing it at least a month, though it's probably all out the window now. *Shrug* - in any case, applying for adminship is usually something that one needs to do early, or else your worst side will usually come out. The Evil Spartan (talk) 07:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Eh, I wouldn't say it must be done early, I think a month of good editing will make people quickly forget some of your less well placed passion. MBisanz ^talk 08:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

My Editor Review

Hi, I noticed that you edited the editor review (took me a few minutes to figure out the correct coding :) I was wondering if you were going to comment? Dusti^SPEAK!! 15:58, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Just playing for formatting. MBisanz ^talk 19:54, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

NPA warnings for experienced users

I was curious if it was appropriate to warn experienced users about WP:NPA? On a recent TfD discussion, it seemed like OwenX violated this in a clear fashion, and Ned Scott in a lesser fashion. However, it wasn't clear if you three were just old friends (I find it hard to believe strangers would communicate in this way). Would it be better to mention such things to uninvolved administrators?

In case you guys are old friends, you might want to make this clearer in the discussion, since it does create a bit of a chilling effect on the discussion. JackSchmidt (talk) 19:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I have always opined that it is a very very bad idea to template the regulars: it pretty much always makes the situation worse, and is frankly quite childish. I still believe DTTR should be at very least a guideline. The Evil Spartan (talk) 22:11, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I have interacted with Ned Scott before, generally in a neutral and professional manner, I don't think I've ever worked with OwenX before, so I certainly have no ill intentions towards them, nor insight into the comments they made. Sorry I can't be of more help. MBisanz ^talk 19:06, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I would like to subscribe to your newsletter

I just saw that you blocked an IP for 24 hrs after twice pretty obviously putting some nasty vandalism onto Willie Mays. I applaud you!

Over the last few weeks, I have had a problem with one admin who takes a different view on vandals: Vandals must have four warnings .... 'warnings must increase in severity ..... I have been vandal busting for nearly a year, and never once had a problem until this one admin showed up. I reported a serial vandal after posting a second, third, and fourth warning while reverting back obvious vandalism, reported him to AIV. I got lectured on bad faith reporting since I stockpiled the warnings, and then immediately reported him to AIV. The editor got blocked while he was lecturing me, and he went and browbeat the blocking admin into rescinding the block. The editor then waited a few days and got himself an indef as a vandal only account. I have been following this admin, and see that he has this rigid interpretation of warnings and blocks, even though WP policy permits for vandals to be blocked earlier (as you did).

My question: is there a sound way to go about educating this admin? I don't want to report him as yet, but I got really offended when I got accused of bad faith for reporting obvious vandalism. Good day and thanks! LonelyBeacon (talk) 22:27, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Policy agrees with that admin, that said, admins do have some discretion in blocks, I tend to block quicker than others, but AIV and blocking policy do require the whole rigamorale of the warnings, etc. So no way to educate that admin to follow policy when he's already doing it. MBisanz ^talk 22:31, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

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File:AFA Graduates.jpg		Thank you for the support!
		Ahhhlehhh, it is my honor to report that thanks in part to your support my third request for adminship passed (80/18/2). I appreciate the trust you and the WP community have in me, and I will endeovour to put my newly acquired mop and bucket to work for the community as a whole. Yours sincerly and respectfuly, TomStar81 (Talk) 03:06, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

Over on the Simple English Wikipedia, the user account Ælison vandalized three user pages with Image:Bisanz9.jpg. I found it amusing, somewhat...is that the best shock image they've got? Either that or someone must like you a lot. Just thought I'd let you know. hbdragon88 (talk) 04:56, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm so loved! :)~ MBisanz ^talk 08:36, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

RTFM pointers for Flag templates

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how?

I was wondering if you can say me how to put images in an article--Shabe0mac 01:11, 10 July 2008 (UTC)Shabe0mac

Mass tagging of uncategorized templates

Just so you know, there's over 25,000 uncategorized templates as of the last time I could get a report out of Toolserver (though I've probably reduced that by several thousand). Tagging assorted entries on the specialpages list won't help much, especially since I am probably the only person that is patrolling the uncat. temp. category these days. Poke around my sandbox to see what I am doing on the issue. --Thetrick (talk) 03:25, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

No problem. As with everything on WP, anything you can do would be great. FYI, right now I'm working on the letters U-Z from the original list on toolserver, plus uncat. doc pages. --Thetrick (talk) 12:17, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Related to this, would you be willing to run AWB or a bot on one of my lists? Thanks. --Thetrick (talk) 14:01, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what AWB can do, but here's what I'd like accomplished:

On uncategorized templates (no need to recat) in User:Thetrick/uncategorisedtemplatesenwiki.txt list, do the following:

If the template contains the phrase "This user owns a copy", add [[Category:Musician fan user templates]] (example template: Template:User Louder Than Love)
If the template contains the string "This user plays", add [[Category:Musical instrument user templates]] (example template: Template:User_harmonica)
If the template code contains the string "user instrument", add [[Category:Musical instrument user templates]] (example template: Template:User harmonica-1)
If the template code contains the string "User label", add [[Category:Keep It Simple user templates]] (example template: Template:User label Latin America)
Any other pattern you see. I did most of the WikiProject templates by hand, which is the most obvious one.

Now, the one hard part is that I have been hardcoding the sort part instead of using PAGENAME, e.g. [[Category:Musician fan user templates|Louder Than Love]] with "User " stripped out. This needs to be done otherwise everything will end up under "U". For the KIS templates, "User label" should be stripped out. Let me know if this looks doable. Thanks. --Thetrick (talk) 17:04, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Hrm, unfortunate that AWB can't do it. My tfd_helper script can deal with stripping "User ", etc., but I still have to open and look at each and every template. Do you have any suggestions on other ways to automate this? --Thetrick (talk) 01:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for giving me access to AWB. I will give it a whirl in a day or two. --Thetrick (talk) 01:24, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Another template-related thing: your copy/config of Twinkle is using {{db-t3}} wrong. It needs to include the time (five tildes) and preferably the name of another template. You can see the results here. I've been using G2 for test templates as that applies. --Thetrick (talk) 01:49, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

PIO, just FYI

Hi Matt, just FYI, have a look at this [1]. Best, AlasdairGreen27 (talk) 14:52, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2008_July_3#Template:Asiir_picture

Template:Asiir picture "passed" the deletion vote and is set to be deleted. Please do the bot magic you promised. :) Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2008_July_3#Template:Asiir_picture. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 06:48, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

That was fast! Awesome. :) I'll delete the template. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 12:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

My RFA Thanks

Thank you for your support at my RFA - it has closed successfully, and I now have the buttons! I also appreciate that you supported despite my low edit count. Guilty as charged - I confess that I am not really a very good encyclopedia editor, but I do think I will be a good behind-the-scenes worker. If I ever show myself as otherwise, please let me know! Once again, thanks for your support. StephenBuxton (talk) 23:03, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

Blocknumbers template.

Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2008 June 19#Template:Blocknumbers was used to replace pages with dozens of final warnings (most not acted on) and different looking block boxes. Don't you think the template is better than the hodgepodge whack-a-mole user pages? -- Jeandré, 2008-07-13t06:21z

No, as I pointed out I didn't like this template since it shamed a user by listing their block statistics for anyone visiting their talk page. Also, givent hat we have a block log that anyone can view, an administrator would be unwise to base future blocks off of a table anyone can edit, when a more reliable log exists. However, there is WP:DRV if you desire it. MBisanz ^talk 10:32, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

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Etruscan coins

In the Talk:Etruscan coins there is a very interesting overview of the etruscan numismatics from Eckhel up to date. If User:Italo Vecchi is Italo Vecchi a scholar in ancient numismatics (and I suppose he is), the article may be just an overview of his last studies. I'm trying to "translate" in a better form the notes from a tipical specialized form into a "for all readable" form in my sandbox. BTW I'll traslate the whole in Italian and it will be the core of the article "it:Numismatica etrusca (Etruscan numismatics) apart fron Etruscan coins.

Here's some publication of Vecchi (Search results) on American Numismatic Society data base.

Thank you for an answer.

I hope you will excuse my mistakes in your language.

--Carlo Morino aka zi' Carlo 08:45, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Go for it, if you can take his work and do stuff with it, that would be great. MBisanz ^talk 12:08, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Paul Diamond (lawyer)

You are welcome to comment on the resurrected talk page. Wikidea 19:47, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Rollback and AC

I have not used those tools abusively, yes I have civility issues which is why i will never be an admin. Can you please give them back as i do need them, you have my word that they wont be abused. «l| Ψrom3th3ăn ™|l» (talk) 03:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

Closing down of WP:RFR

Since you've just made the page historical, can I suggest that you fully-protect the page? It'll prevent people from mistakenly posting requests there. Thanks! Acalamari 02:11, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I think a redirect would be more appropriate... Ryan Postlethwaite 02:12, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

I saw you edited a warning made by someone (86.29.134.252) on my page. Just to clarify, you can look at the edit I made that 86.29.134.252 gave me a "last warning" for. It was a clearly accidental comma in the London article, which hardly constitutes vandalism. While I realize you had nothing to do with the warning, I just thought I'd let you know, lest you think I'm defying your administrative powers by reverting his "warning." I appreciate his hawkish stance on those truly attempting to disrupt Wikipedia, but I do not appreciate the sloppy inclusion of those making typoes as vandals, and maybe he--an unregistered user--deserves closer watch from admins, since he does not take the proper time to assess whether an edit is truly vandalism before he attempts to exert his "authority." CinnamonCinder (talk) 02:33, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

SoxRed

Ugh, I would be online doing it myself...but the computer I am currently at fails. Thanks, Tiptoety ^talk 02:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

RfA thank you

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		Ahhhlehhh, it is with deep awareness of the responsibility conferred by your trust that I am honored to report that in part to your support, my request for adminship passed (87/14/6). I deeply value the trust you and the Wikipedia community have in me, and I will embark on a new segment of my Wikipedia career by putting my new tools to work to benefit the entire community. My best to you, Happyme22 (talk) 03:45, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Sockpuppetry template overhaul discussion on the Administrators' noticeboard

MBisanz, I mentioned you in a posted on the Administrators' noticeboard, linked above. I hope that you do not mind and that you will participate in the discussion. - LA @ 08:02, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

WP:RFCU

Hey there MBisanz, myself and a few other users/CU's are a bit confused by this. Seeing as the case is currently a redlink, deleted for privacy reasons and placing the case on the RFCU mainpage... will...get you no where. Are you trying to request a checkuser? If so it may just be better to contact a checkuser via email. Cheers, Tiptoety ^talk 19:07, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Tip, I know it looks weird atm, but I will explain more as soon as class is over (+2 hours), it can be removed from the RFCU page though, I didn't remove it, only because lucas put in the note to keep it there. MBisanz ^talk 19:34, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I thought as much. I will go ahead and take it down for the time being. Thanks, Tiptoety ^talk 19:38, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

I think you have a misunderstanding about IPblock exemption. Since it only applies to the named account, it can not be used to enable sockpuppets to evade autoblocks. IPBE could enable a good hand/bad hand editor to edit from the good account while the bad account is blocked, but it simply does not enable block evasion by sock accounts that do not have the permission. BC's two autoblocks can be most simply explained by editing from two locations (work/home/coffee shop/library/etc). Or, certain dynamic ISPs change frequently without knowledge or control of the user (most famously British Telecom, although I do not know where BC is located). I suppose their could be something shady going on but IPBE is not the cause and its removal is not the solution. Thatcher 20:03, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

So, last night I saw Betacommand had been blocked, last week he had made a comment in an IRC channel that he had amassed a sock farm, and last month I had noticed that blocks of users usually resulted in a single autoblock log entry when they edited their own talk page, logged in, etc. I decided to check on this by seeing how many autoblocks were active from the Betacommand block. I saw there were two entries, which indicated to me that something was amiss. After doing a test on IRC with another admin, it appeared that a single account, even editing from multiple IPs, cannot trigger multiple autoblock log entries. Also, Betacommand had IP-BE which means that checkusers may perform monitoring checks to ensure they are not abusing the right, a slightly more broad permission than the normal CU request rules. So I approached a checkuser on IRC with the data, the prior IRC conversation, etc. The checkuser did not feel comfortable running a private CU and said to post it on-wiki if I wanted it done.

I wrote it up, posted it, and linked it to WP:RFCU. Betacommand posts to his talk page that he was not socking, but that there is personal data he cannot disclose. He comes on IRC and asks me to delete the page. I remember that back when he was granted IP-BE, there was also private data involved that he submitted to an arbitrator. So, I figure I'd better play it safe, since the thing apparently involves personal data and I delete the page. It was pretty late my time, so I forgot to remove it from RFCU. By the time I woke up this morning, Lucas had already added a comment saying not to remove it, since again it dealt with private data, I figured I'd better not do anything. Also, Gimmietrow had removed Betacommand's IP-BE userright, which to me indicated that the "monitoring" aspect of IP-BE no longer applied, and that therefore my request, if I undeleted it, would probably be denied as {{fishing}}. So I decided that rather than create more drama I'd just let the thing die.

I still think, based on his comments, the autoblock log entries, the odd removal the IP-BE right when a checkuser appeared imminent, and his past history of using undisclosed alternate accounts that Betacommand is using/abusing some form of alternate account, but since I lack explicit proof, I'm just letting the matter die. MBisanz ^talk 22:06, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

To clarify, the checkuser that wasn't comfortable doing it in private was me. Anyone who wants to accuse him of causing drama, or anything like that, should instead accuse me since I was the one that told him I wasn't comfortable doing this in private. MBisanz had concerns and had the guts to try to fix things up. People should thank him, really. --Deskana (talk) 03:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough, but I should point out that Beta has not abused multiple accounts in the past. The guy has the resources and the intelligence to get past checkuser if he actually wanted to. The slip up with his secondary account does not make sense if he was attempting to sockpuppet. When that whole issue came about I knew it would lead to situations like this one. People would get it stuck in their head that sockpuppets might be involved in a situation that would not normally cause concern.

Beta may have some issues on the wiki, but he's an honest guy who doesn't play those kinds of games. -- Ned Scott 10:04, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Not true, Beta was found to be socking a while ago. He offered an excuse of "right to vanish" which was proven not to be true. This RFCU should not have been deleted to begin with, it was out of process per the process noted on the RFCU page. Just my two cents. KoshVorlon -rm F.U.R -r 14:10, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Put your dunce cap on, buddy, because that's the exact situation I was talking about. Nothing was "proven", so I don't know where you came up with that. It's laughably absurd to think that the edit he made with the alt account would have been a tactic at sock puppetry. Everyone knows by now that Beta uses more than one computer, he even has a "Betacommand 2" something account for the sake of some customized monobook or javascript setting. When he made the edit with the wrong account he did so without hiding who he was. He posted under that different account as himself, acting as he was just moments before. Given the way people have been treating him, it's no surprise, whatsoever, that he would have wanted to make a new account to start fresh with.

Just because he might have some problems with how he handled some past situations does not make him a dishonest user. You have no basis to say that he's done anything dishonest. He might be rude sometimes, be might be right or wrong about policy, but what you're accusing of him is completely out of character. You don't even have to like the guy to see this. -- Ned Scott 01:48, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

ow woops, sorry for the mess, I added the note just to point that the red link was not an error (in case a clerk saw the link and removed it without checking the logs), I didn't expect it would prevent you from delisting it :) -- lucasbfr ^talk 07:33, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what kind of test you ran but it is possible to trigger autoblocks on multiple IP addresses, because I've seen it many times. Thatcher 16:26, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Beta indicated he had edited from two IPs, so we blocked a test account and had it try and edit from three different IP addresses and it only triggered one autoblock list entry. MBisanz ^talk 16:51, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Just a possibility -- the two autoblock summaries were different -- perhaps they were triggered by the two blocks? Sam Korn ^(smoddy) 16:52, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

Possibly but I doubted it, mainly because both were triggered several hours after the second block was placed and the first block had been lifted. MBisanz ^talk 17:09, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Ahhhlehhh

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NPA warnings for experienced users

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Orphaned non-free media (Image:Statest.gif)

The traditional rfa thank you message

Vandalism

RTFM pointers for Flag templates

how?

Mass tagging of uncategorized templates

PIO, just FYI

Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2008_July_3#Template:Asiir_picture

My RFA Thanks

Blocknumbers template.

Signpost updated for July 7, 2008.

Etruscan coins

Paul Diamond (lawyer)

Rollback and AC

Closing down of WP:RFR

Vandalism

SoxRed

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-I think I've finally reached the end of the road as far as her article goes, and I am more than happy to proclaim it finished. Whenever you have a free few moments, you can start translating [[Doireann Ni Bhriain]] to Irish. :) [[User:Mike Halterman|Mike H.]] [[User talk:Mike Halterman|Fierce!]] 22:29, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
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-:Ignored again! :( :( :( [[User:Mike Halterman|Mike H.]] [[User talk:Mike Halterman|Fierce!]] 05:52, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
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-:::Leaving you another note; saw you were on ga and wondered when you would have time to do the translation. [[User:Mike Halterman|Mike H.]] [[User talk:Mike Halterman|Fierce!]] 05:02, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
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+If you would like to start a draft at [[User:The Evil Spartan/RFA]], I will certainly think about moving it into the mainspace. You also might like to have a word with [[User:Shalom]] and [[User:Maxim]]. However, I have the very ugly baggage of having withdrawn from an RFA once on commons, for reasons which I have no desire to get into now, but which I may have to address during the process. I think there is a quite hot chance it wouldn't pass, however like I said, I will certainly consider it. [[User:The Evil Spartan|The Evil Spartan]] ([[User talk:The Evil Spartan|talk]]) 22:52, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
+:Sure, gimmie a couple of days, but I am interested. '''[[User:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;'>MBisanz</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup>
+::If you get cold feet, or change your mind, that is all fine. [[User:The Evil Spartan|The Evil Spartan]] ([[User talk:The Evil Spartan|talk]]) 22:10, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
+:::I've been reviewing things, and you seem like a good candidate, but sometimes I notice you get a bit hot under the collar, could we try a bit of focused work on that together before you run? '''[[User:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;'>MBisanz</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 22:14, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
+::::Yes. I seemed to have chosen the worst moment to show my worst side. I was already planning on postponing it at least a month, though it's probably all out the window now. *Shrug* - in any case, applying for adminship is usually something that one needs to do early, or else your worst side will usually come out. [[User:The Evil Spartan|The Evil Spartan]] ([[User talk:The Evil Spartan|talk]]) 07:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
+:::::Eh, I wouldn't say it must be done early, I think a month of good editing will make people quickly forget some of your less well placed passion. '''[[User:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;'>MBisanz</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 08:47, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
-[[Image:Chipleased to sniff you!.jpg|center|599px]]
+== My Editor Review ==
-<center>Best wishes from moi and the gang! [[User:El_C|El_C]] 06:02, 27 June 2008 (UTC)</center>
-== Since u have all the purdy pictures... ==
+Hi, I noticed that you edited the editor review (took me a few minutes to figure out the correct coding :) I was wondering if you were going to comment? <font face="Segoe script">[[User:Dustihowe|'''<font color="#ff0000">D</font><font color="#ff6600">u</font><font color="#009900">s</font><font color="#0000ff">t</font><font color="#6600cc">i</font>''']][[User talk:Dustihowe|<sup>SPEAK!!</sup>]]</font> 15:58, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
+:Just playing for formatting. '''[[User:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;'>MBisanz</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 19:54, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
-:...here's a few questions:
+== NPA warnings for experienced users ==
-:*I am starting to accumulate some GA and FA articles, and have seen folk line them up all nice an purdy along the top of their user page. I am not sure how to do this and would like to learn.
-:*There are several Wikipedians who I admire, and some of them have apparently retired from WP. I know there is an image of a 'retired' stamp out there that I could shrink down and put by their name. Have you seen such?
-:*I am unsure how to size pictures down, as they never seem to obey my input lowering their dpi. Could I trouble you to explain how to do this? I promise to pass on the learnin' once I possess it.  :) - [[User:Arcayne|<span style="color:black">'''Arcayne'''</span>]] [[User talk:Arcayne|<small><span style="color:gray">(<sup>'''cast a spell'''</sup>)</span></small>]] 06:33, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
-:: I will, honest!! I'll get to it over the weekend sometime. Still at the day-job here and it's midnight. I'll get to it (and the above stuff) soon - promise! - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#FF823D;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;cursor:help">'''A<font color="#FF7C0A">l<font color="#FFB550">is</font>o</font>n'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Alison|❤]]</sup> 06:43, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
-== "Age on Userpage Patrol" ==
+I was curious if it was appropriate to warn experienced users about [[WP:NPA]]?  On a recent TfD discussion, it seemed like OwenX violated this in a clear fashion, and Ned Scott in a lesser fashion.  However, it wasn't clear if you three were just old friends (I find it hard to believe strangers would communicate in this way).  Would it be better to mention such things to uninvolved administrators?
-:Hey Allie (is it okay if I call you that?) I was randomly broswing userpages, saw this, and I think it's time to pull out oversight or whatever the hell you used on my userpage.  Thanks! <font color="amaranth">[[User:Shapiros10|Shapiros10]]</font>''''' <sup><font color="chocolate">[[User talk:Shapiros10|contact me]]</font></sup>'''''<sub><font color="bistre">[[Special:Contributions/Shapiros10|My work]]</font></sub> 22:17, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
+In case you guys are old friends, you might want to make this clearer in the discussion, since it does create a bit of a chilling effect on the discussion. [[User:JackSchmidt|JackSchmidt]] ([[User talk:JackSchmidt|talk]]) 19:40, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
-:: Link redacted, don't want to call attention to it. Shapiros, I've put in a request via email for oversight of that page. Allie is a bit overwhelemed at the moment, but we'll get it taken care of :) [[User:SirFozzie|SirFozzie]] ([[User talk:SirFozzie|talk]]) 00:50, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
+:I have always opined that it is a very very bad idea to [[WP:DTTR|template the regulars]]: it pretty much always makes the situation worse, and is frankly quite childish. I still believe DTTR should be at very least a guideline. [[User:The Evil Spartan|The Evil Spartan]] ([[User talk:The Evil Spartan|talk]]) 22:11, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
-:::I don't really see just saying one's age as a huge problem (birthdate a little bit, but even still). It's when you release age, real name, exact location (i.e. school, town), appearance details... any combination of that and is when it becomes an issue. –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xenocidic|<span style="color:black">'''xeno'''</span><span style="color:grey">cidic</span>]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]])</font> 00:54, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
-::::I got to concur with xenocidic here. Oversight is for truly private information such as telephone #'s and addresses. Using Oversight for edits like this is a bit abusive. I understand the desire to protect, but wouldn't it be better to discuss it with the user in question? I'm afraid that you and SF might be caught up in the whole [[moral panic]] that Peter Damian is trying to cause. I find it pretty helpful since it reminds me to put in extra [[WP:AGF]] and avoid [[WP:NPA]] at all costs. --[[User:Dragon695|Dragon695]] ([[User talk:Dragon695|talk]]) 23:13, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
-:::::my age was oversighted.  So I think this should be too.  Or does everyone just have something against me? <font color="amaranth">[[User:Shapiros10|Shapiros10]]</font>''''' <sup><font color="chocolate">[[User talk:Shapiros10|contact me]]</font></sup>'''''<sub><font color="bistre">[[Special:Contributions/Shapiros10|My work]]</font></sub> 00:08, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
-::::::Your age was oversighted along with a whole bunch of other very specific information. I think Alison just took it all out in one fell swoop. It's the combination of several pieces of personal information (allowing someone to piece together a profile) that presents a problem. I'm sure she wouldn't mind you putting ''just'' your age back on there (though you should wait for her to weigh in on this). –<font face="Verdana">[[User:Xenocidic|<span style="color:black">'''xeno'''</span><span style="color:grey">cidic</span>]] ([[User talk:Xenocidic|<span style="color:black">talk</span>]])</font> 00:13, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
-:::::::I don't know, as I saw his previous page as boarder-line. I still think that as long as address and telephone aren't given (along with other id numbers), it is generally fine. However, talking about your school and what's going on there isn't really needed on Wikipedia, unless you are giving a reason for being on wiki-break. What seems to be the norm for most editors is to create a short intro with name, age, city, state, country, e-mail/pm contact info (not really needed due to Special:EmailUser and IRC), and personal website. They usually then add more general things about themselves, such as likes, dislikes, reasons for editing, etc. Beyond that, you are really treading in myspace territory. Like xenocidic, I'll leave Alison to comment further. I do think that we must avoid paranoia and be careful not to be drawn into rash action due to excessive drama-mongering, though (*cough* tar pit threads *cough*). --[[User:Dragon695|Dragon695]] ([[User talk:Dragon695|talk]]) 20:21, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
-==The block on [[User:Counter-revolutionary|Counter-revolutionary]]==
+:I have interacted with Ned Scott before, generally in a neutral and professional manner, I don't think I've ever worked with OwenX before, so I certainly have no ill intentions towards them, nor insight into the comments they made. Sorry I can't be of more help. '''[[User:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;'>MBisanz</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 19:06, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
-I'm afraid that I still cannot understand the reasoning behind this block. Please can you explain in more detail why the two accounts are 'likely' to be the same. Am I correct if I say that the only evidence linking the two is the result of a check-user enquiry? If that is so, that requires us to over-rule the empirical evidence, which Counter-revolutionary refers to, that the two accounts edit in different ways.
+== I would like to subscribe to your newsletter ==
-Please be assured that this isn't a criticism, it's just that I don't understand how this conclusion has been arrived at. Thank you for your help. [[User:Major Bonkers|Major Bonkers]] <small>[[User_talk:Major Bonkers|(talk)]]</small> 13:21, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
+I just saw that you blocked an IP for 24 hrs after twice pretty obviously putting some nasty vandalism onto [[Willie Mays]].  I applaud you!
-:The block was made by [[User:WJBscribe]]. Perhaps you should ask him instead of Alison. [[User:Risker|Risker]] ([[User talk:Risker|talk]]) 00:21, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
-:::Very well, although it's a question about the check-user evidence, which was provided by Alison, rather than the reason for the block. [[User:Major Bonkers|Major Bonkers]] <small>[[User_talk:Major Bonkers|(talk)]]</small> 07:51, 6 July 2008 (UTC)
+Over the last few weeks, I have had a problem with one admin who takes a different view on vandals: ''Vandals must have four warnings'' .... '''warnings must increase in severity'' ..... I have been vandal busting for nearly a year, and never once had a problem until this one admin showed up.  I reported a serial vandal after posting a second, third, and fourth warning while reverting back obvious vandalism, reported him to AIV.  I got lectured on bad faith reporting since I stockpiled the warnings, and then immediately reported him to AIV.  The editor got blocked while he was lecturing me, and he went and browbeat the blocking admin into rescinding the block.  The editor then waited a few days and got himself an indef as a vandal only account.  I have been following this admin, and see that he has this rigid interpretation of warnings and blocks, even though WP policy permits for vandals to be blocked earlier (as you did).
-::::Based on my independent review of Counter-revolutionary's contributions and checkuser evidence, an indefinite block is warranted. While initially observe and defer until later made sense, the evidence of abuse of this account is now too strong to ignore, so I agree with the block. [[User:FloNight|FloNight]][[User talk:FloNight|&#9829;&#9829;&#9829;]] 13:46, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
-: The technical evidence has shown that the account was {{likely}} to be [[User:Counter-revolutionary]] and this has been corroborated by a number of independent checkusers now. I have also discussed the matter with ArbCom and a number of Arbitrators have upheld the block. Unfortunately, the "edit in different ways", is exactly what good-hand/bad-hand accounts do and the circumstantial evidence tends to support the technical here, given the article he'd just edited - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#FF823D;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;cursor:help">'''A<font color="#FF7C0A">l<font color="#FFB550">is</font>o</font>n'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Alison|❤]]</sup> 18:38, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
-Thank you for yours. I am in the process of replying at greater length on [[User:FloNight|FloNight]]'s Talk page. I point out that you haven't actually answered my question; what you've stated is that ''a number of independent checkusers'' have simply replicated the original result, just as anyone would have expected. I'm afraid that my response is still 'So what?'; frankly the preponderance of evidence, so far as I can see, is that these two accounts are not linked. Is there some reason why secret discussions are taking place on this? Is it really desirable, given the suspicions that it raises? [[User:Major Bonkers|Major Bonkers]] <small>[[User_talk:Major Bonkers|(talk)]]</small> 13:02, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
+My question:  is there a sound way to go about educating this admin?  I don't want to report him as yet, but I got really offended when I got accused of bad faith for reporting obvious vandalism.  Good day and thanks! [[User:LonelyBeacon|LonelyBeacon]] ([[User talk:LonelyBeacon|talk]]) 22:27, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
+:Policy agrees with that admin, that said, admins do have some [[WP:ROUGE|discretion]] in blocks, I tend to block quicker than others, but AIV and blocking policy do require the whole rigamorale of the warnings, etc.  So no way to educate that admin to follow policy when he's already doing it. '''[[User:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;'>MBisanz</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 22:31, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
-:Checkuser evidence, per the privacy policy, must be discussed only among those who are privileged to view it, which does not include me or you, much less any passing reader of the encyclopedia or its mirrors.  So yes, there absolutely is reason the discussion must not be in public.  [[User:GRBerry|GRBerry]] 13:07, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
+== TUSC token fa25b957c9efa54ee67b217d20c2934e ==
-::That may be correct, but it has nothing to do with the posts that I have made on this subject. [[User:Major Bonkers|Major Bonkers]] <small>[[User_talk:Major Bonkers|(talk)]]</small> 13:13, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
+I am now proud owner of a [http://tools.wikimedia.de/~magnus/tusc.php TUSC] account!
-::: Major, you cannot actually make a determination whether the accounts are linked or not as you're not privy to all the details. It's that simple. The 'preponderance of evidence' is definitely not in their favour, whatever about the evidence that ''you'' may be aware of. Secret discussions '''are''', of course, taking place - mostly between the Lauder person, Counter-rev, myself and the Arbitration Committee. A number of arbitrators have been involved for quite some time in all of this; FloNight being just one of them. The reason they're secret is that the data is a matter of privacy. Trust me, I'd dearly ''love'' to blab the technical evidence from February's checks all over the Wiki, especially from the 24th of January - it's irrefutable and would get me completely off the hook here. But I can't.
+== Orphaned non-free media (Image:Statest.gif) ==
-::: I can show you ''this'', though:
-:::* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sussexman&curid=4025769&diff=186592333&oldid=154596131 This] unblock request was made by [[User:Sussexman|Sussexman]] at 7:37am and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Adrian_FitzGerald&curid=6748418&diff=186593338&oldid=110447868 this] edit was made by [[User:Counter-revolutionary|Counter-revolutionary]] at 7:44am.
+[[Image:Ambox warning blue.svg|25px]] Thanks for uploading '''[[:Image:Statest.gif]]'''. The media description page currently specifies that it is non-free and may only be used on Wikipedia under a [[WP:FU|claim of fair use]]. However, it is currently [[Wikipedia:Orphan|orphaned]], meaning that it is not used in any articles on Wikipedia. If the media was previously in an article, please go to the article and see why it was removed. [[WP:BOLD|You may add it back]] if you think that that will be useful. However, please note that media for which a replacement could be created are not acceptable for use on Wikipedia (see [[Wikipedia:Non-free content#Policy|our policy for non-free media]]).
-:::* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Sussexman&curid=4025769&diff=186643096&oldid=186614899 This] edit to Sussexman's talk page was made by [[User:Chelsea Tory|Chelsea Tory]] at 12:10pm, and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Knight_of_Glin&curid=13914713&diff=186643271&oldid=186642498 this] edit was made by Counter-rev less than a minute later.
-:::* '''All''' of the above edits were made from the exact same computer on the ''exact'' same IP address. Over that few days, this would happen again and again and again, swapping and changing within minutes of each other. Even [[User:Immanuel can't|Immanuel can't]] got a look-in at times.
-::: This is just one tiny example. There are many, many more - some even relating to a certain UK university where a number of accounts shared a common gateway IP. See what I mean? - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#FF823D;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;cursor:help">'''A<font color="#FF7C0A">l<font color="#FFB550">is</font>o</font>n'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Alison|❤]]</sup> 20:52, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
-:::: I see what you mean. [[User:Rockpocket|<font color="green">Rockpock</font>]]<font color="black">e</font>[[User_talk:Rockpocket|<font color="green">t</font>]] 20:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
-:::The independent checkuser that I did in April showed similar patterns to the one Alison describes. Another arbitrator reviewed account contributions on specific dates and saw obvious links WITHOUT checkuser evidence. These accounts have been looked at independently repeatedly and every time the same conclusion, these accounts are linked and have been used abusively. With each review the evidence of a link gets stronger. [[User:FloNight|FloNight]][[User talk:FloNight|&#9829;&#9829;&#9829;]] 21:08, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
+If you have uploaded other unlicensed media, please check whether they're used in any articles or not. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "[[Special:Contributions/{{PAGENAME}}|my contributions]]" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that all non-free media not used in any '''articles''' will be deleted after seven days, as described on [[wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion#Images.2FMedia|criteria for speedy deletion]]. Thank you.<!-- Template:Orphaned --> [[User:BJBot|BJBot]] ([[User talk:BJBot|talk]]) 07:29, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
-I've finally arrived in Poland and I had hoped that this matter might have been resolved, at least to some extent, by now. It is quite right to say that I cannot make a determination as to whether the accounts are linked or not because I do not have the evidence; that is why I have asked you, [[User:FloNight|FloNight]], and [[User:WJBscribe|WJBscribe]], to explain it to me. Frankly, a week later, I'm none the wiser: WJBscribe's response is a fob-off, and FloNight's responses raise more questions than they answer; both have archived their discusions. Given that two editors, yourself and [[User:Thatcher|Thatcher]], decided that the evidence was not strong enough to warrant a block (let alone the ''de facto'' ban that we are actually talking about), I still do not understand why the block has been imposed.
+== The traditional rfa thank you message ==
-What I do have to go on is the public evidence, which you have provided. That consists of a single check-user report, which no-one has tagged as being more than 'likely', coupled with the circumstantial evidence of his 'contribution history'. Unfortunately, I draw entirely the opposite conclusions to you from the same evidence; I have kept a weather eye on [[User:Counter-revolutionary|Counter-revolutionary]]'s contributions for two years or so, since the beginning of 'the Troubles' on Wikipedia, and what he writes in his defense is quite correct: he has no history of behaving abusively, even through 'sock-puppets'. Whilst I don't defend his playing silly buggers through sock-puppets, it is indisputable that the accounts that you have linked to him have behaved entirely differently to the vandal account.
+{| style="border: 1px solid {{{border|gray}}}; background-color: {{{color|white}}};"
+|rowspan="2" valign="middle" | [[Image:AFA Graduates.jpg|150px]]
+|rowspan="2" |
+|style="font-size: x-large; padding: 0; vertical-align: middle; height: 1.1em;" | '''Thank you for the support!'''
+|-
+|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | {{BASEPAGENAME}}, it is my honor to report that thanks in part to your support my third request for adminship passed (80/18/2). I appreciate the trust you and the WP community have in me, and I will endeovour to put my newly acquired mop and bucket to work for the community as a whole. Yours sincerly and respectfuly, [[User:TomStar81|TomStar81]] ([[User talk:TomStar81|Talk]]) 03:06, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
+|}
-Instead of dealing with the specific issue of the vandal account, which he was blocked for, the arguments are now ranging over various other accounts, including [[User:Isabela84|Isabela84]], [[User:BScar23625|BScar23625]], on the one hand, and [[User:David Lauder|David Lauder]] and [[User:Sussexman|Sussexman]], on the other. The 'evidence' for widening the issue in this manner contradicts some of the previous evidence given for banning C-r initially: he is said to edit from a ''generic British Telecom IP address with no other users on it'' - widely reported as extremely easy to hack into, incidentally [http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/2028687/Millions-of-BT-internet-users-%27open-to-hackers%27.html] - whilst some of the other accounts ''relat[e] to a certain UK university where a number of accounts shared a common gateway IP''.
+== Vandalism ==
-The more I look at this episode, the more disturbing I find it. It's based on loose forensic evidence which directly contradicts what we know of C-r's editing; any evidence supporting C-r's position is wished away. This is the same mind-set which assured itself that there were WMDs in Iraq and that the Guildford Four were guilty; you are persuading yourself, not me. I do not think that anyone could look objectively at the circumstances surrounding his blocking and say that C-r has been treated fairly.
+Over on the Simple English Wikipedia, the user account [[:simple:Special:Contributions/Ælison|Ælison]] vandalized three user pages with [[:Image:Bisanz9.jpg]].  I found it amusing, somewhat...is that the best shock image they've got?  Either that or someone must like you a lot.  Just thought I'd let you know. [[User:Hbdragon88|hbdragon88]] ([[User talk:Hbdragon88|talk]]) 04:56, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
+:I'm so loved! :)~ '''[[User:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;'>MBisanz</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 08:36, 9 July 2008 (UTC)
-Finally, if ''petitioning various others'' is intended to mean that C-r has been contacting me to lobby on his behalf, I'm afraid that's wrong. I don't link my e-mail address to my Wikipedia account: [[User:W. Frank|W. Frank]]'s experience put me off that idea, and in any case, I have been driving across Europe for three days and I do not have the ability to pick up my e-mails from someone else's computer. [[User:Major Bonkers|Major Bonkers]] <small>[[User_talk:Major Bonkers|(talk)]]</small> 10:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
+== RTFM pointers for [[:Template:Flag-templates|Flag templates]] ==
-:::Hey Major B, let me just update you. While I'm not a Checkuser myself, I can say this. Multiple Checkusers and ArbCom members, (FloNight, Thatcher, as well as Alison) have repeatedly pointed to an identifying feature amongst the accounts that made these accounts a match (or to be precise, {{likely}} if not quite the level of {{confirmed}} that the Lauder/Sussexman/C-r trio was matched earlier (where it was vote/log out one account/log in with other account/vote).
+{{talkback|151.200.237.53}} &mdash; '''{{User|151.200.237.53}}''' <sub>00:04, 10 July 2008 (UTC)</sub>
-:::Again, I'm not a checkuser, so I don't have access to the "fingerprint" that  clued them off to this, but for them to independently point out that there IS a fingerprint that convinced all of them separately that they were a match, says to me the level of strength involved is rather high.
-:::As for the "Someone's impersonating C-r", I find that highly dubious, because while I do not know EVERYTHING that gets recorded for the checkuser to capture, I do happen to know it tracks some rather esoteric stuff, such as browser type, certain settings , etcetera (I learned a lot from [[Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Mantanmoreland]]. Talk about dry, mind you!). For someone to impersonate C-R, not only would they have to "hack" the same IP data range that C-r uses (and to the best of my knowledge, that's not publicly known), but they would have to install the same browser, with all the same tweaks that C-r uses to get it to match. THAT is the foresnic evidence that CheckUsers go on, not just the surface stuff.
+== how? ==
-:::I Appreciate your feeling that this needs to be investigated and open to the fullest, but I'm afraid we're at the stonewall here. Even if Flo, Thatcher, and Alison wanted to show us the gory details that led to MULTIPLE checkusers concurring that they're a match, their hands are tied by the Wikipedia privacy policy. At some point, you have to trust that there's no great conspiracy at work here, but that multiple people, from a variety of backgrounds and locations, have independently reviewed the evidence and found that these are a match. [[User:SirFozzie|SirFozzie]] ([[User talk:SirFozzie|talk]]) 09:11, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
+I was wondering if you can say me how to put images in an article--Shabe0mac 01:11, 10 July 2008 (UTC)Shabe0mac
-: I hate to be blunt about this, Major, but ''you're not getting the technical evidence'' - it's that simple. I am forbidden from revealing it per the [[m:Privacy policy|privacy policy]]. In the paragraph above that you've not acknowledged, I've come as close as I possibly can re. the Sussexman technical evidence, and I may have even overstepped it a bit then. BTW - where did I comment that I ''"decided that the evidence was not strong enough to warrant a block"'' - I can't seem to find that. Also, the decision behind this block lies with [[User:WJBscribe]] and the Arbitration Committee - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#FF823D;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;cursor:help">'''A<font color="#FF7C0A">l<font color="#FFB550">is</font>o</font>n'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Alison|❤]]</sup> 11:46, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
+== Mass tagging of uncategorized templates ==
-== Sheikh Ahmad Jami ==
+Just so you know, there's over [http://toolserver.org/~dab/queries/uncategorisedtemplatesenwiki.txt 25,000] uncategorized templates as of the last time I could get a report out of Toolserver (though I've probably reduced that by several thousand).  Tagging assorted entries on the specialpages list won't help much, especially since I am probably the only person that is patrolling the uncat. temp. category these days.  Poke around my [[User:Thetrick/Sandbox|sandbox]] to see what I am doing on the issue.  --[[User:Thetrick|Thetrick]] ([[User talk:Thetrick|talk]]) 03:25, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
+:No problem.  As with everything on WP, anything you can do would be great.  FYI, right now I'm working on the letters U-Z from the original list on toolserver, plus uncat. doc pages.  --[[User:Thetrick|Thetrick]] ([[User talk:Thetrick|talk]]) 12:17, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
+:Related to this, would you be willing to run AWB or a bot on one of my lists?  Thanks.  --[[User:Thetrick|Thetrick]] ([[User talk:Thetrick|talk]]) 14:01, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
+I'm not sure what AWB can do, but here's what I'd like accomplished:
+:On uncategorized templates (no need to recat) in User:Thetrick/uncategorisedtemplatesenwiki.txt list, do the following:
+:*If the template contains the phrase "This user owns a copy", add <nowiki>[[Category:Musician fan user templates]]</nowiki> (example template: [[Template:User Louder Than Love]])
+:*If the template contains the string "This user plays", add <nowiki>[[Category:Musical instrument user templates]]</nowiki> (example template: [[Template:User_harmonica]])
+:*If the template code contains the string "user instrument", add <nowiki>[[Category:Musical instrument user templates]]</nowiki> (example template: [[Template:User harmonica-1]])
+:*If the template code contains the string "User label", add <nowiki>[[Category:Keep It Simple user templates]]</nowiki> (example template: [[Template:User label Latin America]])
+:*Any other pattern you see.  I did most of the WikiProject templates by hand, which is the most obvious one.
+Now, the one hard part is that I have been hardcoding the sort part instead of using PAGENAME, e.g. <nowiki>[[Category:Musician fan user templates|Louder Than Love]]</nowiki> with "User " stripped out.  This needs to be done otherwise everything will end up under "U".  For the KIS templates, "User label" should be stripped out.  Let me know if this looks doable.  Thanks. --[[User:Thetrick|Thetrick]] ([[User talk:Thetrick|talk]]) 17:04, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
+:Hrm, unfortunate that AWB can't do it.  My tfd_helper script can deal with stripping "User ", etc., but I still have to open and look at each and every template.  Do you have any suggestions on other ways to automate this?  --[[User:Thetrick|Thetrick]] ([[User talk:Thetrick|talk]]) 01:11, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
+::Thanks for giving me access to AWB.  I will give it a whirl in a day or two. --[[User:Thetrick|Thetrick]] ([[User talk:Thetrick|talk]]) 01:24, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
+Another template-related thing: your copy/config of Twinkle is using {{tl|db-t3}} wrong.  It needs to include the time (five tildes) and preferably the name of another template.  You can see the results [[:Category:Templates_for_speedy_deletion_with_incorrect_formatting|here]].  I've been using G2 for test templates as that applies.  --[[User:Thetrick|Thetrick]] ([[User talk:Thetrick|talk]]) 01:49, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
-hi there.I had created a wrong page many months ago about Sheiks Ahmad Jami and now i am going to repair the whole article.they have tagged a sppedy deletion on it.please help me.[[User:Bbadree|Bbadree]] ([[User talk:Bbadree|talk]]) 15:54, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
+== PIO, just FYI ==
-== Edit to CR talkpage ==
+Hi Matt, just FYI, have a look at this [http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cassandra#Request]. Best, [[User:AlasdairGreen27|AlasdairGreen27]] ([[User talk:AlasdairGreen27|talk]]) 14:52, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
-How do you interpret [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Counter-revolutionary&diff=prev&oldid=225232410 this]? <strong style="color:#000">[[User:Avruch|'''Avruch''']]</strong> 16:32, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
+== Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2008_July_3#Template:Asiir_picture ==
-:[[Wikipedia:Requests for checkuser/Case/Sussexman|That]] is useful for background, I think nobody has a clue who is who when it comes to the Sussexman sockfarm any more..... <font face="Verdana">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">One Night In Hackney</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 16:34, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
-: Bob needs to be careful with the personalised comments, as he's already implicated in a lot of the shenanigans which have been going on here. ArbCom are already aware of his role in all this - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#FF823D;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;cursor:help">'''A<font color="#FF7C0A">l<font color="#FFB550">is</font>o</font>n'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Alison|❤]]</sup> 17:55, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
-== 93.107.68.59 / User:Gold_heart? ==
+[[:Template:Asiir picture]] "passed" the deletion vote and is set to be deleted. Please do the bot magic you promised. :) [[Wikipedia:Templates_for_deletion/Log/2008_July_3#Template:Asiir_picture]]. --[[User:Woohookitty|''Woohookitty'']]<sup>[[User talk:Woohookitty|Woohoo!]]</sup> 06:48, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
+:That was fast! Awesome. :) I'll delete the template. --[[User:Woohookitty|''Woohookitty'']]<sup>[[User talk:Woohookitty|Woohoo!]]</sup> 12:10, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
-Re your block of 93.107.68.59 [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:93.107.68.59&diff=225238962&oldid=225233510]. This editor appears to have a good deal of overlap with [[User:Bardcom]]. Do you have an opinion? Also, if you could point me to something explaining the [[User:Gold_heart]] connection, I'd be grateful [[User:William M. Connolley|William M. Connolley]] ([[User talk:William M. Connolley|talk]]) 18:54, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
+== My RFA Thanks ==
-: Gold heart has admitted it on WikipediaReview this morning. See [http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?s=&showtopic=18901&view=findpost&p=113179 here] (account required as it's "tarpitted") - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#FF823D;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;cursor:help">'''A<font color="#FF7C0A">l<font color="#FFB550">is</font>o</font>n'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Alison|❤]]</sup> 19:10, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
-:: Sorry, the rotters won't accept gmail for some weird reason. GH has admitted what? Being the admin? I'm not questionning that. Being Bardcom? That would be of interest: he denies being the anon. Could you quote whats on WR? Or email it to me, if you don't want to pollute wiki with it [[User:William M. Connolley|William M. Connolley]] ([[User talk:William M. Connolley|talk]]) 19:49, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
-::: Ok, Gold heart is the anon editor, and is not Bardcom. Bardcom is {{unrelated}} to the Gold heart accounts Quote below [http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=18901&st=0&p=113179&#entry113179 from WR]];
-{{Messagebox|text=And Alison, you are targeting me again! Why don't you just ignore? [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=...oldid=225233510]
+Thank you for your support at my RFA - it has closed successfully, and I now have the buttons!  I also appreciate that you supported despite my low edit count.  Guilty as charged - I confess that I am not really a very good encyclopedia editor, but I do think I will be a good behind-the-scenes worker.  If I ever show myself as otherwise, please let me know! Once again, thanks for your support. [[User:StephenBuxton|StephenBuxton]] ([[User talk:StephenBuxton|talk]]) 23:03, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
-You would make a great police-person, or border-guard. Just obeying orders. Eh?
+== Blocknumbers template. ==
-Read some Utilitarianism, not Rand!
+[[Wikipedia:Templates for deletion/Log/2008 June 19#Template:Blocknumbers]] was used to replace pages with dozens of final warnings (most not acted on) and different looking block boxes. Don't you think the template is better than the hodgepodge whack-a-mole user pages? -- [[User:Jeandré du Toit|Jeandré]], 2008-07-13[[User talk:Jeandré du Toit|t]]06:21z
+:No, as I pointed out I didn't like this template since it shamed a user by listing their block statistics for anyone visiting their talk page.  Also, givent hat we have a block log that anyone can view, an administrator would be unwise to base future blocks off of a table anyone can edit, when a more reliable log exists. However, there is [[WP:DRV]] if you desire it. '''[[User:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;'>MBisanz</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 10:32, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
-You should be putting TharkumColl in his place. - [http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showuser=5183 Gold heart]  }}
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-:::: Thanks for that, which very helpfully clarifies things [[User:William M. Connolley|William M. Connolley]] ([[User talk:William M. Connolley|talk]])
+<small>You are receiving this message because you have signed up for the [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/Tools/Spamlist|''Signpost'' spamlist]].  If you wish to stop receiving these messages, simply remove your name from the list.  [[User:Ralbot|Ralbot]] ([[User talk:Ralbot|talk]]) 08:58, 13 July 2008 (UTC)</small>
-:::::Looking for reasons to justify your block, after the fact, makes the block seem even more churlish. Ali, it would have been nice if you had responded and taken a closer look - but I understand why not.  --[[User:Bardcom|Bardcom]] ([[User talk:Bardcom|talk]]) 21:00, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
+== [[Etruscan coins]] ==
-:::::: Bardcom - I'm on-and-off-line all day here. RL stuff is simply getting in the way, so I don't have time for Wikipedia. I'd like to state again for the record though that your account is {{unrelated}} to the IP address. It's just Gold heart trying to get people into trouble again. He did the same with Domer48 two weeks back. Sorry for not replying sooner - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#FF823D;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;cursor:help">'''A<font color="#FF7C0A">l<font color="#FFB550">is</font>o</font>n'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Alison|❤]]</sup> 21:19, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
-:::::::Ali, I could do with a little help though, if you could advise.  (or is it worth it?)  If you could quickly review the "block" I was given.  It's important to me - it was an abuse by the admin, and I very much feel that this is exactly the behaviour that Sarah777 refers to.  --[[User:Bardcom|Bardcom]] ([[User talk:Bardcom|talk]]) 21:22, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
-:::::::: Okay, I need about an hour, though, as I'm away right now (on my phone here). I'll check it over ASAP - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#FF823D;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;cursor:help">'''A<font color="#FF7C0A">l<font color="#FFB550">is</font>o</font>n'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Alison|❤]]</sup> 21:24, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
-:::::::::Thanks Ali.  The ANI has been closed, but I'd appreciate an impartial look by you. --[[User:Bardcom|Bardcom]] ([[User talk:Bardcom|talk]]) 22:09, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
-::Bard, you had your block reviewed with the unblock template, then you went to WP:ANI and had it reviewed there, now Alison too? How many reviews do you want? [[User talk:Until(1 == 2)|<small><sub><font color="Red">'''1'''</font><font color="Green">''' != '''</font><font color="Red">'''2'''</font></sub></small>]] 21:28, 12 July 2008 (UTC)
+In the [[Talk:Etruscan coins]] there is a very interesting overview of the etruscan numismatics from Eckhel up to date. If [[User:Italo Vecchi]] is [[Italo Vecchi]] a scholar in ancient numismatics (and I suppose he is), the article may be just an overview of his last studies. I'm trying to "translate" in a better form the notes from a tipical specialized form into a "for all readable" form in my [[User:Carlomorino/sandbox|sandbox]]. BTW I'll traslate the whole in Italian and it will be the core of the article "[[:it:Numismatica etrusca]] (''Etruscan numismatics'') apart fron Etruscan coins.
-: Bard, I just got back here. You've been unblocked and the thread is closed right now. I've taken a look over it and it appears that WMC blocked you for disruption and not for socking re. Gold heart's IP. Is this correct? I notice you both have the same "British Isles" POV, so there may have been a bit of confusion, too. Did I miss anything else here? - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#FF823D;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;cursor:help">'''A<font color="#FF7C0A">l<font color="#FFB550">is</font>o</font>n'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Alison|❤]]</sup> 05:29, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
+Here's some publication of Vecchi ([http://64.81.216.220/cgi-bin/libsearch?format=default&fld=any&kw=Vecchi&type=any&fld=any&kw=&yearop=eq&year=&fld=any&kw= Search results]) on [[American Numismatic Society]] data base.
-::Hi Ali, yes you've missed a fair bit.  Without me putting words or ideas in your head, just take a look at the circumstances surrounding the block.  Note the following points:
+Thank you for an answer.
-::*William claimed he blocked me for ''vandalism''.  Which edit?
-::*You claim it was for disruption.  What sequence of events is regarded as disruption?
-::*William was an involved editor. Should he have blocked?
-::*I claim I did not receive a warning. I didn't acknowledge it, I didn't see it.
-::Thank you --[[User:Bardcom|Bardcom]] ([[User talk:Bardcom|talk]]) 11:57, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
-Hi Alison. 93.107.xxx is back [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Bob_Chilcott&diff=225794783&oldid=225758660] but only in a minor way, so I haven't bothered block. But I'm assuming this is more trouble-making by GH [[User:William M. Connolley|William M. Connolley]] ([[User talk:William M. Connolley|talk]]) 20:18, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
+I hope you will excuse my mistakes in your language.
-: Yes, it's Gold heart again, evading his ban. Checkuser certainly isn't required here as he's admitted to it himself and I can tell you that nobody else edits from that entire range right now. In fact, I rangeblocked it two months back and while he claimed I had "rangeblocked Ireland", we didn't have one single complaint the whole time - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#FF823D;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;cursor:help">'''A<font color="#FF7C0A">l<font color="#FFB550">is</font>o</font>n'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Alison|❤]]</sup> 20:24, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
+--[[User:Carlomorino|Carlo Morino]] aka [[:it:discussioni utente:Carlomorino|zi' Carlo]] 08:45, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
-:: Thanks. I blocked that one (93.107.72.250) for 24h as it kept editing, but I suppose it will come back [[User:William M. Connolley|William M. Connolley]] ([[User talk:William M. Connolley|talk]]) 20:47, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
-::: Cool! If he comes back to cause more trouble, feel free to block the range /16, as there's nobody else in there. He's just constantly getting other editors like Domer48 and Bardcom into trouble - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#FF823D;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;cursor:help">'''A<font color="#FF7C0A">l<font color="#FFB550">is</font>o</font>n'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Alison|❤]]</sup> 20:55, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
-== A talk page deleted for all the wrong reasons ==
+:Go for it, if you can take his work and do stuff with it, that would be great. '''[[User:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;'>MBisanz</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 12:08, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
-Would you mind looking into the deletion of [[Talk:John Train Salon]]? I think there has been some foul play. --[[User:Terrawatt|Terrawatt]] ([[User talk:Terrawatt|talk]]) 05:33, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
+== [[Paul Diamond (lawyer)]] ==
-: Let me get back to you on this one. It looks like the deletion was done okay, but could be problematic nonetheless. I'll restore it no problem if there's a reasonably good reason why it needs to be. ArbCom evidence? - [[User:Alison|<span style="color:#FF823D;font-family:Monotype Corsiva;cursor:help">'''A<font color="#FF7C0A">l<font color="#FFB550">is</font>o</font>n'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Alison|❤]]</sup> 20:21, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
-== Prom3th3an ==
+You are welcome to comment on the resurrected talk page. '''<font color="red">[[User:Wikidea|Wik]]</font><font color="gold">[[User:Wikidea|idea]]</font>''' 19:47, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
-Hello there Alison, I see you gave back Prom3th3an the ACC flag. The initial removal was for the wrong reasons - he shouldn't have lost rollback or the flag because of what happened, he didn't abuse them. But the reason why I didn't give the ACC flag back is because current practice is to remove the flag if it isn't used within a month, so we can easily keep a monitor on who's doing what with the tool. A few admins are currently going through the logs and removing the flag from people that don't create accounts. Prom3th3an has created 6 accounts, the last one being at the start of June and he's never broken the limit set by the MediaWiki software, so per standard practive, he shouldn't have the tool. Please can you look into that for me? [[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|'''<font color="#000088">Ry<font color="#220066">an<font color="#550044"> P<font color="#770022">os<font color="#aa0000">tl</font>et</font>hw</font>ai</font>te</font>''']] 13:10, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
+== Rollback and AC ==
-:Hmmmm, it looks like his rollback was taken away again and I don't have a clue why. I'll go and find out. [[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|'''<font color="#000088">Ry<font color="#220066">an<font color="#550044"> P<font color="#770022">os<font color="#aa0000">tl</font>et</font>hw</font>ai</font>te</font>''']] 13:31, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
-:: lol rollback was given back, however it's yours and Ryan's decision in regards to ACC. I know i asked for it back earlier but whatever makes you guys happy cause in light of new info don't really need it. Also, Im taking an Enforced wiki break untill the 22 or 23rd. Kudos [[User:Prom3th3an|<b><span style="color:#FF0000;background:white">&nbsp; «<span style="color:#736F6E">l<span style="color:#736F6E">|<span style="color:#151B54"> Ψrom3th3ăn ™</span>|</span>l</span>»&nbsp;</span></b>]] [[User_talk:Prom3th3an| (talk)]] 14:14, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
-== Stalker, part 2 (or is it 3?) ==
+I have not used those tools abusively, yes I have civility issues which is why i will never be an admin. Can you please give them back as i do need them, you have my word that they wont be abused. [[User:Prom3th3an|<b><span style="color:#FF0000;background:white">&nbsp; «<span style="color:#736F6E">l<span style="color:#736F6E">|<span style="color:#151B54"> Ψrom3th3ăn ™</span>|</span>l</span>»&nbsp;</span></b>]] [[User_talk:Prom3th3an| (talk)]] 03:12, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
-It seems clear to me that [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/72.146.79.202 this] is the same guy, up to his tricks again.  He is now a multiple block-evading vandal with no constructive edits. ---<font face="Celtic">[[User:RepublicanJacobite|<span style="color:#009900">RepublicanJacobite</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:RepublicanJacobite|<span style="color:#006600">The'FortyFive'</span>]]''</sub></font> 18:03, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
+== Closing down of [[WP:RFR]] ==
-:Republicanjacobite started this entire mess by vandalizing articles that I edited with his opinion.  <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/72.146.79.202|72.146.79.202]] ([[User talk:72.146.79.202|talk]]) 18:04, 16 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-== e-mail ==
+Since you've just made the page historical, can I suggest that you fully-protect the page? It'll prevent people from mistakenly posting requests there. Thanks! [[User:Acalamari|Acalamari]] 02:11, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
+:I think a redirect would be more appropriate... [[User:Ryan Postlethwaite|'''<font color="#000088">Ry<font color="#220066">an<font color="#550044"> P<font color="#770022">os<font color="#aa0000">tl</font>et</font>hw</font>ai</font>te</font>''']] 02:12, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
-Hi Alison, you've got mail! Now back to the grind... ergh. <3 --[[User:Kyoko|<font face="arial" color="#8652b9">''Kyok''</font>]][[User talk:Kyoko|<font face="arial" color="#BA55D3">''o''</font>]] 00:24, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
+== Vandalism ==
-:From me as well. <font face="comic sans ms">[[User:Kwsn|<span style="color: #000080">'''Kwsn'''</span>]] <small>[[User talk:Kwsn|<span style="color: #000080 ">(Ni!)</span>]]</small></font> 01:52, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
-==Big Dunc and Domer38==
+I saw you edited a warning made by someone (86.29.134.252) on my page. Just to clarify, you can look at the edit I made that 86.29.134.252 gave me a "last warning" for. It was a clearly accidental comma in the London article, which hardly constitutes vandalism. While I realize you had nothing to do with the warning, I just thought I'd let you know, lest you think I'm defying your administrative powers by reverting his "warning." I appreciate his hawkish stance on those truly attempting to disrupt Wikipedia, but I do not appreciate the sloppy inclusion of those making typoes as vandals, and maybe he--an unregistered user--deserves closer watch from admins, since he does not take the proper time to assess whether an edit is truly vandalism before he attempts to exert his "authority." [[User:CinnamonCinder|CinnamonCinder]] ([[User talk:CinnamonCinder|talk]]) 02:33, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
-Can you ask these editors to stop wikistalking me and undoing my edits? I am working up the Royalty articles on Lady Sarah Chatto and they keep reverting my edits. Thanks [[User:Astrotrain|Astrotrain]] ([[User talk:Astrotrain|talk]]) 20:37, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
+== SoxRed ==
-:That's because her sons were merged to the Lady Sarah Chatto article back in April per AfD, and Astrotrain keeps undoing the redirect. Astrotrain has been blocked 72 hours for disruptive editing on this and other articles, see [[WP:AE]] for more. Sorry Allie to have this dragged to your page :) [[User:SirFozzie|SirFozzie]] ([[User talk:SirFozzie|talk]]) 20:55, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
-::(make that a week, placed by another admin, for adding personal attacks into the bundle) [[User:SirFozzie|SirFozzie]] ([[User talk:SirFozzie|talk]]) 21:11, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
-== Have fun with the house moving ==
+Ugh, I would be online doing it myself...but the computer I am currently at fails. Thanks, [[User:Tiptoety|<span style="color:#4E562C;font-weight:bold">Tiptoety</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Tiptoety|<span style="color:#FFDB58">talk</span>]]</sup> 02:55, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
-[[Image:Duct-tape Moving Van.jpg|thumb|180px|right|<small>When the moving van didn't show up, Alison knew just what to do</small>]]
-Hate that job - and I have only ever had kitchen and bedroom stuff (student)! [[User:Viridae|Viridae]][[User talk:Viridae|<small><sup>Talk</sup></small>]] 05:18, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
-:Good luck with the move :). Hope you all settle in well in the new place. <strong style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:WJBscribe|WJBscribe]] [[User talk:WJBscribe|(talk)]]</strong> 05:48, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
+== RfA thank you ==
-[[Image:Low9th27FebChairsJourdanClaiborneBridgeramp.jpg|thumb|left|<small>The move didn't quite go according to plan</small>]]
+{| style="border: 1px solid {{{border|gray}}}; background-color: {{{color|white}}};"
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-Hope your move goes well, Alison.  And that your car looks better than this one.  [[User:Risker|Risker]] ([[User talk:Risker|talk]]) 05:47, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
+|-
+|style="vertical-align: middle; border-top: 1px solid gray;" | {{BASEPAGENAME}}, it is with deep awareness of the responsibility conferred by your trust that I am honored to report that in part to your support, my request for adminship passed (87/14/6). I deeply value the trust you and the Wikipedia community have in me, and I will embark on a new segment of my Wikipedia career by putting my new tools to work to benefit the entire community. My best to you, [[User:Happyme22|Happyme22]] ([[User_talk:Happyme22|talk]]) 03:45, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
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-*Heh, good luck Alison. You're moving such A LONG way ;). <font face="Monotype Corsiva" color="blue">[[User:Steve Crossin|Steve Crossin]] [[User:Steve Crossin/Contact|(contact)]]</font> 06:17, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
+== [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Sockpuppetry template overhaul|Sockpuppetry template overhaul]] discussion on the Administrators' noticeboard ==
-:Good luck! <font face="Celtic">[[User:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">15 cans of Stella</span>]]<sub>''[[User talk:One Night In Hackney|<span style="color:#006600">303</span>]]''</sub></font> 09:56, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
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+MBisanz, I mentioned you in a posted on the Administrators' noticeboard, linked above. I hope that you do not mind and that you will participate in the discussion. - [[User:Lady Aleena|LA]] @ 08:02, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
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+== [[WP:RFCU]] ==
+Hey there MBisanz, myself and a few other users/CU's are a bit confused by [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Requests_for_checkuser&diff=prev&oldid=225952815 this]. Seeing as the case is currently a redlink, deleted for privacy reasons and placing the case on the RFCU mainpage... will...get you no where. Are you trying to request a checkuser? If so it may just be better to contact a checkuser via email. Cheers, [[User:Tiptoety|<span style="color:#4E562C;font-weight:bold">Tiptoety</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Tiptoety|<span style="color:#FFDB58">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:07, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
+:Tip, I know it looks weird atm, but I will explain more as soon as class is over (+2 hours), it can be removed from the RFCU page though, I didn't remove it, only because lucas put in the note to keep it there. '''[[User:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;'>MBisanz</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 19:34, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
+::Ah, I thought as much. I will go ahead and take it down for the time being. Thanks, [[User:Tiptoety|<span style="color:#4E562C;font-weight:bold">Tiptoety</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Tiptoety|<span style="color:#FFDB58">talk</span>]]</sup> 19:38, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
+:::I think you have a misunderstanding about IPblock exemption.  Since it only applies to the named account, it can  not be used to enable sockpuppets to evade autoblocks.  IPBE could enable a good hand/bad hand editor to edit from the good account while the bad account is blocked, but it simply does not enable block evasion by sock accounts that do not have the permission.  BC's two autoblocks can be most simply explained by editing from two locations (work/home/coffee shop/library/etc).  Or, certain dynamic ISPs change frequently without knowledge or control of the user (most famously British Telecom, although I do not know where BC is located).  I suppose their could be something shady going on but IPBE is not the cause and its removal is not the solution. [[User talk:Thatcher|Thatcher]] 20:03, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
+:So, last night I saw Betacommand had been blocked, last week he had made a comment in an IRC channel that he had amassed a sock farm, and last month I had noticed that blocks of users usually resulted in a single autoblock log entry when they edited their own talk page, logged in, etc.  I decided to check on this by seeing how many autoblocks were active from the Betacommand block.  I saw there were two entries, which indicated to me that something was amiss.  After doing a test on IRC with another admin, it appeared that a single account, even editing from multiple IPs, cannot trigger multiple autoblock log entries.  Also, Betacommand had IP-BE which means that checkusers may perform monitoring checks to ensure they are not abusing the right, a slightly more broad permission than the normal CU request rules.  So I approached a checkuser on IRC with the data, the prior IRC conversation, etc.  The checkuser did not feel comfortable running a private CU and said to post it on-wiki if I wanted it done.
+:I wrote it up, posted it, and linked it to [[WP:RFCU]].  Betacommand posts to his talk page that he was not socking, but that there is personal data he cannot disclose.  He comes on IRC and asks me to delete the page.  I remember that back when he was granted IP-BE, there was also private data involved that he submitted to an arbitrator.  So, I figure I'd better play it safe, since the thing apparently involves personal data and I delete the page.  It was pretty late my time, so I forgot to remove it from RFCU.  By the time I woke up this morning, Lucas had already added a comment saying not to remove it, since again it dealt with private data, I figured I'd better not do anything.  Also, Gimmietrow had removed Betacommand's IP-BE userright, which to me indicated that the "monitoring" aspect of IP-BE no longer applied, and that therefore my request, if I undeleted it, would probably be denied as {{tl|fishing}}.  So I decided that rather than create more drama I'd just let the thing die.
+:I still think, based on his comments, the autoblock log entries, the odd removal the IP-BE right when a checkuser appeared imminent, and his past history of using undisclosed alternate accounts that Betacommand is using/abusing some form of alternate account, but since I lack explicit proof, I'm just letting the matter die. '''[[User:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;'>MBisanz</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 22:06, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
+::To clarify, the checkuser that wasn't comfortable doing it in private was me. Anyone who wants to accuse him of causing drama, or anything like that, should instead accuse me since I was the one that told him I wasn't comfortable doing this in private. MBisanz had concerns and had the guts to try to fix things up. People should thank him, really. --[[User:Deskana|Deskana]] <small>[[User talk:Deskana|(talk)]]</small> 03:12, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
+:::Fair enough, but I should point out that Beta has not abused multiple accounts in the past. The guy has the resources and the intelligence to get past checkuser if he actually wanted to. The slip up with his secondary account does not make sense if he was attempting to sockpuppet. When that whole issue came about I knew it would lead to situations like this one. People would get it stuck in their head that sockpuppets might be involved in a situation that would not normally cause concern.
+:::Beta may have some issues on the wiki, but he's an honest guy who doesn't play those kinds of games. -- [[User:Ned Scott|Ned Scott]] 10:04, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
+:::: Not true, Beta was found to be socking a while ago.  He offered an excuse of "right to vanish" which was proven not to be true.    This RFCU should not have been deleted to begin with, it was out of process per the process noted on the RFCU page.  Just my two cents. <span style="font-family:Gill Sans MT">[[User:KoshVorlon|'''<span style="background:Black;color:silver">KoshVorlon</span>''']][[User talk:KoshVorlon|'''<span style="background:silver;color:Black"> -rm F.U.R  -r '''</span>]]</span> 14:10, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
+:::::Put your dunce cap on, buddy, because that's the exact situation I was talking about. Nothing was "proven", so I don't know where you came up with that. It's laughably absurd to think that the edit he made with the alt account would have been a tactic at sock puppetry. Everyone knows by now that Beta uses more than one computer, he even has a "Betacommand 2" something account for the sake of some customized monobook or javascript setting. When he made the edit with the wrong account he did so without hiding who he was. He posted under that different account ''as'' himself, acting as he was just moments before. Given the way people have been treating him, it's no surprise, whatsoever, that he would have wanted to make a new account to start fresh with.
+:::::Just because he might have some problems with how he handled some past situations does not make him a dishonest user. You have no basis to say that he's done anything dishonest. He might be rude sometimes, be might be right or wrong about policy, but what you're accusing of him is completely out of character. You don't even have to like the guy to see this. -- [[User:Ned Scott|Ned Scott]] 01:48, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
+:ow woops, sorry for the mess, I added the note just to point that the red link was not an error (in case a clerk saw the link and removed it without checking the logs), I didn't expect it would prevent you from delisting it :) -- [[User:Lucasbfr|<span style="color:#002BB8;">lucasbfr</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Lucasbfr|<span style="color:#001F7F;">talk</span>]]</sup> 07:33, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
+::I'm not sure what kind of test you ran but it is possible to trigger autoblocks on multiple IP addresses, because I've seen it many times. [[User talk:Thatcher|Thatcher]] 16:26, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
+:::Beta indicated he had edited from two IPs, so we blocked a test account and had it try and edit from three different IP addresses and it only triggered one autoblock list entry. '''[[User:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;'>MBisanz</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 16:51, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
+::::Just a possibility -- the two autoblock summaries were different -- perhaps they were triggered by the two blocks?  [[User:Sam Korn|Sam Korn]] <sup>[[User talk:Sam Korn|(smoddy)]]</sup> 16:52, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
+:::::Possibly but I doubted it, mainly because both were triggered several hours after the second block was placed and the first block had been lifted. '''[[User:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFFF00;background-color: #0000FF;'>MBisanz</span>]]''' <sup>[[User talk:MBisanz|<span style='color: #FFA500;'>talk</span>]]</sup> 17:09, 17 July 2008 (UTC)